The Top 10 West Region teams of the D3football.com Era

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emma17

Quote from: HScoach on January 03, 2014, 12:45:51 PM
Not that you guys probably care one bit about my opinion, but I'd rate the 2011 team above 2013 simply because of the quality of the team they beat in the Stagg.   The 2011 Mount team was very limited offensively due to missing their QB, but the rest of that team was head and shoulders above the 2013 version, especially so on defense.   Looking back at the starting lineups between the 2 Mount teams, the only 2013 starters that would have supplanted a 2011 starter would be:
1.  Kevin Burke over Piloto at QB  (HUGE difference)
2.  Sam Gonnel over Carbonell at ILB (slight advantage to Gonnel due to better pass coverage skills)
Even though the 2013 passing game was effective all season and in the Stagg, the receiving corps was simply good.   The 2011 receiving corps was group of juniors that finished as the deepest/best collection of receivers in Mount history, they unfortunately didn't have someone to throw them the ball.

Put Kevin Burke at QB on the 2011 team and Mount rolls to a title.   Put Matt Piloto at QB on the 2013 team and they finish 7-3 overall (7-2 in the OAC) and don't make the playoffs. 

Also have to factor in the 2011 was coached by LK, not VK in his first year.   Another big advantage toward 2011.

Just my 2 cents.   Use or dismiss it as you see fit.

Your money is always welcome here. 
Really it shows how much it depends upon what lens you view the teams through.
Honestly for me, I view the 2013 team as a team that, depending on the day, could be one of UWW's best ever.  I know it's hard to accept that because of the offensive inconsistency, but the Stagg Bowl showed us what the team was capable of doing-as did the second and third quarters of Linfield.  UWW fans watched the team from Wash U, where the offense was nothing more than 2012 all over again (nearly threw up in my mouth) all the way through the Stagg and we saw a wide variety of approaches.  UWW offensively, more than any team I know, makes massive changes to its game plan in advance of a game, as opposed to changing during the game.  UMHB is proof positive.  No doubt UMHB's defense was tough, but here's the thing.  UWW didn't even TRY to threaten them or use the receiving corp like they did vs. Mt.  Look at what UWW did with Kumerow vs Mt- starting him in the backfield and motioning left or right to avoid double coverage.  They didn't do that at all vs UMHB- and surely they could have at least tried it once if they felt it was necessary.  They threw deep one time the entire game, in the first quarter to a wide open Huber- and they never went deep again.  Surely UWW could have tried to go deep again without much risk, but they didn't.   

2011 was a bit different.  The first series saw a wide open UWW attack, which ended in a bad decision-interception from Blanchard.  After that play UWW played very tight.  UWW didn't have the receivers they had this year either.  That said, the Mt defense was much tougher than this year's team- and it put heavy pressure on Blanchard all game. 


WarhawkDad

Very interesting conversation and I believe a point should be made that it is hard to rank the teams so soon after the season and even then several years after. Comparing them is even harder.  For me, since I did not start really following until 2009, I have to listen to everyone and do my own research on teams prior to that time.   I really respect many posters opinions including those outside of the West region and I think very highly of HSCoach - always level headed and very analytical.   Teams are so different year to year. 

This years 2013 team is one of the most complete teams I have ever seen at UWW if you consider all three phases, especially if you weight special teams as being an equal phase.    I have never seen UWW have a return game like they had this year.    We have had great kickers and I would give the edge to 09 in kicking and punting over this year.    As far as defense, this years team is the greatest of all the teams I have seen, although the three peat defenses were excellent.   As far as offense the 09 team was hands-down the best.  Then, how to compare 10, 11 and 13 on offense.  Until the Stagg, I would have ranked them in this order 11, 10, 13.   After the Stagg 11, 13, 10.   So it is hard for me to change the ranking 02 and Emma are endorsing, even though part of me wants to really look hard at 07,11 and 13.  So for now, I will go with

1. 2009 UWW
2. 2010 UWW
3. 2004 Linfield
4. 2003 SJU
5. 2007 UWW
6. 2011 UWW
7. 2013 UWW
8. 1999 PLU
9. 2000 SJU
10. 2006 UWW


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@d3jason

#92
Quote from: HScoach on January 03, 2014, 12:45:51 PM
Not that you guys probably care one bit about my opinion, but I'd rate the 2011 team above 2013 simply because of the quality of the team they beat in the Stagg.   The 2011 Mount team was very limited offensively due to missing their QB, but the rest of that team was head and shoulders above the 2013 version, especially so on defense.   Looking back at the starting lineups between the 2 Mount teams, the only 2013 starters that would have supplanted a 2011 starter would be:
1.  Kevin Burke over Piloto at QB  (HUGE difference)
2.  Sam Gonnel over Carbonell at ILB (slight advantage to Gonnel due to better pass coverage skills)
Even though the 2013 passing game was effective all season and in the Stagg, the receiving corps was simply good.   The 2011 receiving corps was group of juniors that finished as the deepest/best collection of receivers in Mount history, they unfortunately didn't have someone to throw them the ball.

Put Kevin Burke at QB on the 2011 team and Mount rolls to a title.   Put Matt Piloto at QB on the 2013 team and they finish 7-3 overall (7-2 in the OAC) and don't make the playoffs. 

Also have to factor in the 2011 was coached by LK, not VK in his first year.   Another big advantage toward 2011.

Just my 2 cents.   Use or dismiss it as you see fit.

Kevin Burke was on the 2011 team..lol. I know just a freshman that year. But I watched A lot of UMU on STO that year and saw UMU against Wesley in the semis. I, for one, was glad he didn't play. You could tell he had something special even in limited duty.

MasterJedi

Quote from: @d3jason on July 17, 2014, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: HScoach on January 03, 2014, 12:45:51 PM
Not that you guys probably care one bit about my opinion, but I'd rate the 2011 team above 2013 simply because of the quality of the team they beat in the Stagg.   The 2011 Mount team was very limited offensively due to missing their QB, but the rest of that team was head and shoulders above the 2013 version, especially so on defense.   Looking back at the starting lineups between the 2 Mount teams, the only 2013 starters that would have supplanted a 2011 starter would be:
1.  Kevin Burke over Piloto at QB  (HUGE difference)
2.  Sam Gonnel over Carbonell at ILB (slight advantage to Gonnel due to better pass coverage skills)
Even though the 2013 passing game was effective all season and in the Stagg, the receiving corps was simply good.   The 2011 receiving corps was group of juniors that finished as the deepest/best collection of receivers in Mount history, they unfortunately didn't have someone to throw them the ball.

Put Kevin Burke at QB on the 2011 team and Mount rolls to a title.   Put Matt Piloto at QB on the 2013 team and they finish 7-3 overall (7-2 in the OAC) and don't make the playoffs. 

Also have to factor in the 2011 was coached by LK, not VK in his first year.   Another big advantage toward 2011.

Just my 2 cents.   Use or dismiss it as you see fit.

Kevin Burke was on the 2011 team..lol. I know just a freshman that year. But I watched A lot of UMU on STO that year and saw UMU against Wesley in the semis. I, for one, was glad he didn't play. You could tell he had something special even in limited duty.

But he didn't start the game in 2011, which was the point of that post.

WarhawkDad

Ok, now that the 2014 season is over and UWW has won the Stagg Bowl, where would this 2014 team fit in the all time rankings?
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WarhawkDad

#96
Quote from: D O.C. on December 20, 2014, 02:57:53 PM
No vote but they looked pretty good doing it.
Anyone can have an opinion on the top 10 teams during the D3football.com Era, so here is mine:

1. 2009 UWW
2. 2010 UWW
3. 2004 Linfield
4. 2003 SJU
5. 2013 UWW
6. 2014 UWW
7. 2011 UWW
8. 2007 UWW
9. 1999 PLU
10. 2000 SJU
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11. 2006 UWW


After a year to think about it I have flip-flopped the 2013 and 2011 UWW teams.  I really believe the offensive inconsistency we thought we saw in 2013 was more from the new offensive coaching staff and players becoming acclimated.   They absolutely jelled when they needed to do so and the overall game planning in the playoffs was tremendous.   

I believe the 2014 is just behind the 2013 team although this may be because Kumerow was out an extended part of the year.  If he had been healthy for the whole year, I might rank them higher.   

As far as offenses, I rank it in this order 2009, 2013, 2014, and for defenses 2013, 2009, 2010.     

Anyone else care to jump in?

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MonroviaCat

Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 22, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 20, 2014, 02:57:53 PM
No vote but they looked pretty good doing it.
Anyone can have an opinion on the top 10 teams during the D3football.com Era, so here is mine:

1. 2009 UWW
2. 2010 UWW
3. 2004 Linfield
4. 2003 SJU
5. 2013 UWW
6. 2014 UWW
7. 2011 UWW
8. 2017 UWW
9. 1999 PLU
10. 2000 SJU
_______________

11. 2006 UWW


After a year to think about it I have flip-flopped the 2013 and 2011 UWW teams.  I really believe the offensive inconsistency we thought we saw in 2013 was more from the new offensive coaching staff and players becoming acclimated.   They absolutely jelled when they needed to do so and the overall game planning in the playoffs was tremendous.   

I believe the 2014 is just behind the 2013 team although this may be because Kumerow was out an extended part of the year.  If he had been healthy for the whole year, I might rank them higher.   

As far as offenses, I rank it in this order 2009, 2013, 2014, and for defenses 2013, 2009, 2010.     

Anyone else care to jump in?

WarhawkDad
Crystal ball or just great expectation for  this year's Freshman class?   ;D
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02 Warhawk

#98
*1. 2009 UWW - Rush, Pass, Defend, Special Teams....this team was the best.
*2. 2010 UWW - Beat a Gagliardi trophy winner, won at NCC, at Wesley, and UMU
*3. 2004 Linfield - Best DIII QB ever?
*4. 2003 SJU - Was there anything Blake Elliot couldn't do?
*5. 2007 UWW - Gagliardi Trophy winner and best front seven that program ever had (to date).
*6. 2011 UWW - Easiest playoff road to Salem they had its seven-year run.
*7. 2013 UWW - Best Warhawk defensive team ever; Offense played great when it counted.
*8. 2014 UWW - Escaped a handful of games....could have easily dropped 2-3 games this season.
*9. 1999 PLU - Won it as a 7th seed!!!
10. 2000 SJU - Just a field goal away in the Stagg Bowl.

Like WD, the UWW 2006 dropped out of my Top 10.

I almost forgot to update my Top 10 All Time West Teams this season  :P

WarhawkDad

Quote from: MonroviaCat on December 22, 2014, 12:14:58 PM
Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 22, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 20, 2014, 02:57:53 PM
No vote but they looked pretty good doing it.
Anyone can have an opinion on the top 10 teams during the D3football.com Era, so here is mine:

1. 2009 UWW
2. 2010 UWW
3. 2004 Linfield
4. 2003 SJU
5. 2013 UWW
6. 2014 UWW
7. 2011 UWW
8. 2017 UWW
9. 1999 PLU
10. 2000 SJU
_______________

11. 2006 UWW


After a year to think about it I have flip-flopped the 2013 and 2011 UWW teams.  I really believe the offensive inconsistency we thought we saw in 2013 was more from the new offensive coaching staff and players becoming acclimated.   They absolutely jelled when they needed to do so and the overall game planning in the playoffs was tremendous.   

I believe the 2014 is just behind the 2013 team although this may be because Kumerow was out an extended part of the year.  If he had been healthy for the whole year, I might rank them higher.   

As far as offenses, I rank it in this order 2009, 2013, 2014, and for defenses 2013, 2009, 2010.     

Anyone else care to jump in?

WarhawkDad
Crystal ball or just great expectation for  this year's Freshman class?   ;D
LOL.....whoops!  Just a typo!  Fixed in now...but it was funny, as was your post....+k
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 22, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
*1. 2009 UWW - Rush, Pass, Defend, Special Teams....this team was the best.
*2. 2010 UWW - Beat a Gagliardi trophy winner, won at NCC, at Wesley, and UMU
*3. 2004 Linfield - Best DIII QB ever?
*4. 2003 SJU - Was there anything Blake Elliot couldn't do?
*5. 2007 UWW - Gagliardi Trophy winner and best front seven that program ever had (to date).
*6. 2011 UWW - Easiest playoff road to Salem they had its seven-year run.
*7. 2013 UWW - Best Warhawk defensive team ever; Offense played great when it counted.
*8. 2014 UWW - Escaped a handful of games....could have easily dropped 2-3 games this season.
*9. 1999 PLU - Won it as a 7th seed!!!
10. 2000 SJU - Just a field goal away in the Stagg Bowl.

Like WD, the UWW 2006 dropped out of my Top 10.

I almost forgot to update my Top 10 All Time West Teams this season  :P
You still have 2011 ahead of 2013......another year of reflection has not changed your opinion?
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02 Warhawk

Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 22, 2014, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 22, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
*1. 2009 UWW - Rush, Pass, Defend, Special Teams....this team was the best.
*2. 2010 UWW - Beat a Gagliardi trophy winner, won at NCC, at Wesley, and UMU
*3. 2004 Linfield - Best DIII QB ever?
*4. 2003 SJU - Was there anything Blake Elliot couldn't do?
*5. 2007 UWW - Gagliardi Trophy winner and best front seven that program ever had (to date).
*6. 2011 UWW - Easiest playoff road to Salem they had its seven-year run.
*7. 2013 UWW - Best Warhawk defensive team ever; Offense played great when it counted.
*8. 2014 UWW - Escaped a handful of games....could have easily dropped 2-3 games this season.
*9. 1999 PLU - Won it as a 7th seed!!!
10. 2000 SJU - Just a field goal away in the Stagg Bowl.

Like WD, the UWW 2006 dropped out of my Top 10.

I almost forgot to update my Top 10 All Time West Teams this season  :P
You still have 2011 ahead of 2013......another year of reflection has not changed your opinion?

Yea, very tempting considering how that Stagg Bowl turned out. But they had a few games that year were too close for comfort for me I guess. With a few exceptions, that 2011 team just plowed through the regular season and playoffs, including a shutout semifinal win against a good St. Thomas team.

Arguments could be made either way.

WarhawkDad

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 22, 2014, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 22, 2014, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 22, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
*1. 2009 UWW - Rush, Pass, Defend, Special Teams....this team was the best.
*2. 2010 UWW - Beat a Gagliardi trophy winner, won at NCC, at Wesley, and UMU
*3. 2004 Linfield - Best DIII QB ever?
*4. 2003 SJU - Was there anything Blake Elliot couldn't do?
*5. 2007 UWW - Gagliardi Trophy winner and best front seven that program ever had (to date).
*6. 2011 UWW - Easiest playoff road to Salem they had its seven-year run.
*7. 2013 UWW - Best Warhawk defensive team ever; Offense played great when it counted.
*8. 2014 UWW - Escaped a handful of games....could have easily dropped 2-3 games this season.
*9. 1999 PLU - Won it as a 7th seed!!!
10. 2000 SJU - Just a field goal away in the Stagg Bowl.

Like WD, the UWW 2006 dropped out of my Top 10.

I almost forgot to update my Top 10 All Time West Teams this season  :P
You still have 2011 ahead of 2013......another year of reflection has not changed your opinion?

Yea, very tempting considering how that Stagg Bowl turned out. But they had a few games that year were too close for comfort for me I guess. With a few exceptions, that 2011 team just plowed through the regular season and playoffs, including a shutout semifinal win against a good St. Thomas team.

Arguments could be made either way.
Good point and I wonder to this day if Coppage had not hurt his ankle early in the first quarter of the Stagg Bowl if UWW would have scored more that game.
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Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 22, 2014, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 22, 2014, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 22, 2014, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 22, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
*1. 2009 UWW - Rush, Pass, Defend, Special Teams....this team was the best.
*2. 2010 UWW - Beat a Gagliardi trophy winner, won at NCC, at Wesley, and UMU
*3. 2004 Linfield - Best DIII QB ever?
*4. 2003 SJU - Was there anything Blake Elliot couldn't do?
*5. 2007 UWW - Gagliardi Trophy winner and best front seven that program ever had (to date).
*6. 2011 UWW - Easiest playoff road to Salem they had its seven-year run.
*7. 2013 UWW - Best Warhawk defensive team ever; Offense played great when it counted.
*8. 2014 UWW - Escaped a handful of games....could have easily dropped 2-3 games this season.
*9. 1999 PLU - Won it as a 7th seed!!!
10. 2000 SJU - Just a field goal away in the Stagg Bowl.

Like WD, the UWW 2006 dropped out of my Top 10.

I almost forgot to update my Top 10 All Time West Teams this season  :P
You still have 2011 ahead of 2013......another year of reflection has not changed your opinion?

Yea, very tempting considering how that Stagg Bowl turned out. But they had a few games that year were too close for comfort for me I guess. With a few exceptions, that 2011 team just plowed through the regular season and playoffs, including a shutout semifinal win against a good St. Thomas team.

Arguments could be made either way.
Good point and I wonder to this day if Coppage had not hurt his ankle early in the first quarter of the Stagg Bowl if UWW would have scored more that game.

Plus I believe it was like 40 degrees and rainy that night...not exactly great conditions to put up big offensive numbers.

D O.C.

OK...now I have an opinion. Whichever teams Daryl Agpalsa helped coach should be ranked highest.   ;)