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Men's soccer / Re: 2018 Season - National Perspective
« Last post by Christan Shirk on Today at 12:20:09 am »
I am curious about Wash U....not ranked last week, but this week will 6-6-1, with a SoS over .650, and I think a RvR of 2-3-1.  Does that get them ranked?  And is it conceivable that Wash U could get a bid if they end up 7-8-1 or 7-7-2 with a SoS north of .670 and RvR of something like 3-4-2/3-3-3?  Has a team ever gotten a Pool C with a record or .500 or below?

I think the lowest winning percentages of teams receiving Pool C at-large berths in recent times (last 8 years) are Emory (10-6-2 / .611) in 2012, Rochester (9-5-3 / .618) in 2014 and Capital (12-7-2 / .619) in 2017.  In a relatively quick scan of the tournament brackets, I couldn't find any winning pcts. lower than that in the 2005 to 2010 time frame.  And prior to 2005, the tournament field size was much smaller and there were only 4 or 5 Pool C at-large berths, so no one was getting in with winning percentages that low.  So, not only has no one received a Pool C at-large berth with a .500 winning pct. or lower, it appears that no team with a winning pct. .600 or lower has either.

I think Wheaton (MA) 2 years ago might be another example....a record just like or very similar to Capital.  The different variable might be a SoS much higher than those cited, like in the .670+ range when all is said and done.
The last time Wheaton (Mass.) received an at-large berth (and I think their only at-large berth in the last 10 years) was 2014 when they had a 16-3-2 record or .810 win pct.  So maybe you are thinking of some other team.

And to clarify, I cited the winning percentages, not SOS values, in my previous post because you were asking if a team with a .500 or lower win pct. ever got selected for a Pool C at-large berth.

Certainly, WashU and Brandeis will have much higher SOS than the three teams I cited who had SOS's around .600, .630 and .610 respectively.

I personally wouldn't imagine that the committee would go for a near-.500 win pct. just because the SOS is around .670 instead of something closer to .600.

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I'd have to do some research but I'm not sure we've lost to a SCIAC Team since CAL. Luth was good.  ???
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Whitworth has lost to a bunch to SCIAC Teams... wow I din't know they were that terrible over the last 5-10 years!  :'(
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East Region football / Re: East Region Fan Poll
« Last post by tweisman5 on Yesterday at 11:28:57 pm »
Let the debate end or begin, here it is.

   Total                              Hansen  Composite D3 Polls/Rankings
1   60   Brockport           1. Brockport
2   54   Frostburg           2. Frosty
3   48   RPI                    3.Wesley ( The Rowan loss was a forgivable game fart?)
4   39   Salisbury            4. RPI
5   33   Ithaca                5. Ithaca
6   27   Wesley               6. Cortland
7   21   Cortland             7.Salisbury
8   19   Del Val               8. Hobart ( This implies improvement recognition, SOS strength,LL bias?, despite Endicott loss)
9   10   Montclair            9.Alfred    (beating Cortland is big and maybe bias to E8)
10   8   MIT                    10. Montclair( a legitimate recognition)

      
orv   5   W Conn
orv   3   Rowan
orv   3   Alfred

Vote Breakdown                  
Brockport   1   1   1   1   1   1
Frostburg   2   2   2   2   2   2
RPI           3   3   3   3   3   3
Salisbury   4   4   5   4   4   6
Ithaca   7   7   6   5   5   5
Wesley   9   8   4   6   7   4
Cortland   6   6   7   10   6   9
Del Val   5   5   8   7   x   10
Montclair   8   x   10   x   9   7
MIT         10   9   x   8   10   x
                  
W Conn   x   10   9   9   x   x
Rowan   x   x   x   x   8   x
Alfred   x   x   x   x   x   8

Key East Region Games this week

Montclair v Wesley
Salisbury v Rowan

Voters            
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU, Dutch Boy
After all the good and legitimate debate here, I wanted to look at Hansen's composite of all the rankings and it is pretty darn close to the ERFP. I think the Hansen composite is more likely an indication of the strength of the teams( actual results, strength of opponents and other statistical factors ...so "good loses" count) and hurts undefeated teams like MIT and West Conn if their schedule is weaker. I think both polls are pretty good, and we will never know without the rest of the season and the playoffs, but I think the Hansen composite is probably closer to a true power ranking...IMHO.  Thanks for the discussion by everyone, pretty interesting stuff from a bunch of nerdy D3 Football fans.

Wesley cant be 3 with 2 loses, Hobart and Alfred cant be in with 3 loses.  1 good loss is ok, 2 is eh, 3 is not good not matter what.

The Hansen Ratings are still week 7 composite, thus explaining Wesley being 3rd. I expect to see the drop your expecting as well when the composite is updated later this week.
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West Region football / Re: FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Last post by Bluenote on Yesterday at 11:28:31 pm »
Ya... we got monkey stomped a couple times there... LOL! What do you do?  :-*
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West Region football / Re: West Region Fan Poll
« Last post by jamtoTommie on Yesterday at 11:26:02 pm »
It's interesting that a couple people voted the Tommies at 6th.  As much as I like to see them get every kick in the teeth they can get, I reckon that's a bit rough.  I could see someone saying that UWO is on top of the Tommies, but to say that two out of Linfield/Monmouth/Whitworth/Bethel are also better than the Tommies is a stretch.

I ain't complaining.  And I'm obviously not a voter so keep my mouth shut most of the time (Ha!  As if.).  I just like to look at what you all think.

Based on the resume: record and SOS, I could see putting Bethel ahead of UST, but none of the others. I feel pretty confident we'll straighten that out with Bethel in a few weeks by punching them in the teeth, but as of now I'd allow it
I think there are a few who see UST as overrated and want to do their part to bring balance to the world.
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West Region football / Re: West Region Fan Poll
« Last post by OzJohnnie on Yesterday at 11:21:04 pm »
It's interesting that a couple people voted the Tommies at 6th.  As much as I like to see them get every kick in the teeth they can get, I reckon that's a bit rough.  I could see someone saying that UWO is on top of the Tommies, but to say that two out of Linfield/Monmouth/Whitworth/Bethel are also better than the Tommies is a stretch.

I ain't complaining.  And I'm obviously not a voter so keep my mouth shut most of the time (Ha!  As if.).  I just like to look at what you all think.
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East Region football / Re: FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference
« Last post by Monty on Yesterday at 11:20:02 pm »
Maineman, one of the Bates parents spoke to the refs and the ref said it was an inadvertent whistle. We are still confused.
Midhoops and Vandy, as a father of a Bates player, this was the main topic of out post game tailgate. Hall told the players he would rather go for a win than a tie. Apparently, he didn't figure out even if he missed the 2 pointer, he would still need a FG to at least win/tie.
Here is his tweet after the game: Never chase points, it's a sign of desperation! Believe in your ability to play a full game.

Rookie HCOF mistake...


What HCOF Hall should have tweeted is "I screwed up...that's on me and won't happen again...my job as HCOF is to put our players in a position to be able to win".

.... and HCOF Hall continues to insist that he made the right decision. Not only a rookie mistake but an extreme case of arrogance.  Something about not wanting to lose the momentum. He has to be the only person at Middlebury or watching on the web that came to that conclusion. It has to be tough when your players are left scratching their heads. We can't make this stuff up. He might want to grab a beer with the Titan's coach who did him one better and not only embarrassed himself in one country with a stupid PAT decision but managed to do it in two countries!
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Men's soccer / Re: New England Soccer Discussion
« Last post by Off Pitch on Yesterday at 11:13:20 pm »
Coach Anderson with win #400 as Babson beats Bridgewater St  3-1
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So SJ2 is known to be UST-lite when it comes to academics. Now that they've bested UST in football, is it safe to call them a school for jocks?
Not according to US News & World Report
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/mn

You probably want to apologize to the rest of the MIAC except for Concordia.

I am sure with your wonderful SJ2 education you are bright enough to know that those rankings are in different categories. For example, UST is in a National universities category which includes over 300 schools including Harvard, Princeton, etc while the other schools are ranked in Regional University or National Liberal Arts categories which are smaller.
National Universities 312
National Liberal Arts 233

Here's a list that actually compares apples to apples:

https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

Oh my goodness, the academic card ... last refuge of the vanquished.

(And, of course, every college ranking report has a formula that can be gamed, including the "apples to apples" Forbes report. Same goes, BTW, for the Wall Street Journal/Higher Ed Times ranking which has SJU 89 spots higher than USTD.)

I was merely responding to the Johnnie here, not Rev. I would prefer to leave the academic dick measuring to the off-season, but at least if we are debating it we can keep our ranking criticisms grounded in reality and logic, and not based on SJU being the #8 ranked institution while UST is #130, ignoring that SJU is 8th in the MIAC while the other ranking is based on a national comparison.
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