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« Reply #120 on: December 15, 2017, 01:44:46 pm »
It's hard to say Cooke leaving Dartmouth for the Union was a bad move.  College coaching is a grind, and being able to step back and Coach Academy kids and not have to worry about recruiting, or budgets or anything else, and at the same time getting to coach incredibly high level teams?

There is ALOT of college coaches that would sign up for that.

Seems like Wheeler has been out of the D1 game for a long time, makes a direct jump there as a Head Coach even more difficult.



This is complete nonsense...Cook leaving Dartmouth was a HUGE mistake...He went to get his "Professional License" before leaving Dartmouth. Yes that is the same license Brandt got fired for not having at Pittsburgh. So Cook had the mindset of coaching professionally. His ego got in the way of his career. He leaves Dartmouth which is a very "safe" D1 job that unless you totally screw it up you would have for your career. He THINKS by going to coach in Philadelphia's youth system and with that license he would eventually coach in MLS. That was a tremendous mistake. Technical Director's usually have total control over the MLS teams youth system so if the Technical Director is fired or leaves it is quite possible that the new Technical Director would clean house and bring in his own guys. Cook is still in that same role so that has not happened yet BUT he took a pay cut for sure and for what? Coaching an MLS U-15 or U-14 Youth team? Give me a break...Are you really saying that is a more challenging role than coaching college age kids at Dartmouth? If it is than you have no clue what you are talking about.

That wasnt even close to my point.  My point was that being able to not have to travel as much, coach an incredibly high level academy team, and be able to forget about recruiting and everything else is a job many college coaches would be interested in.  It's easy to say it was a HUGE MISTAKE, but you have zero idea where this guy was in his life and what he actually wanted.  Maybe he just got tired of the college soccer recruiting grind and wanted to just coach soccer? Maybe he also got a huge pay bump.  Who knows, but to say this was a mistake means you would have to know exactly what Cooke was looking for and what he thought about college soccer.  Which obviously none of us do. He also coaches the Union U-18's not their u-14's or u-15's.  He's had the opportunity to coach a ton of outrageously high level players over the past few years, and that will only continue.  Some of them are better players then he would have ever had the chance to coach at Dartmouth (Derrick Jones for instance).

Being out of the D1 game for as long as Wheeler has matters for one reason.  He hasn't had to manage scholarships in 20 years.  You cannot overlook how complicated and difficult that is.  You mismanage two scholarships and you set your program back for years.  That obviously doesn't apply to the Ivy's you mentioned because they don't do athletic scholarships, but for other D1's that absolutely matters and its a real barrier.  There is no doubt he could lead a program, manage a staff etc, he is already doing that.  But can he manage athletic scholarships?  You can be great in every single facet, but if you make mistakes with your athletic offers you will be boxed in.  I'm not saying he couldn't be great, I'm just saying it will give AD's pause.


The problem is you are basing your point on what Cook "was thinking"..How do you know that he was sick of recruiting and that he got a pay bump. I can promise you he did not get a pay bump. To say that a ton of college coaches would want to make this move is also not correct. If that was the case then you would see more college coaches doing it. They do not.

The scholarship situation is basically the same thing as D3 coaches dealing with "tips" in Nescac. You screw up you 3-4 tips for a year or 2 you can set your program back also. Same thing.

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« Reply #121 on: December 15, 2017, 01:49:41 pm »
I didn't base a single thing on what Cooke was thinking.  I said "It's tough to say Cooke leaving Darthmouth for the Union was a bad move", which I absolutely stand by.  You have no idea what he was looking for, nor do I, but I would never come out and say something was a bad move when the guy has a stable job in one of the best academies in the MLS.

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« Reply #122 on: December 15, 2017, 01:55:38 pm »
I didn't base a single thing on what Cooke was thinking.  I said "It's tough to say Cooke leaving Darthmouth for the Union was a bad move", which I absolutely stand by.  You have no idea what he was looking for, nor do I, but I would never come out and say something was a bad move when the guy has a stable job in one of the best academies in the MLS.

It is not as stable a job as Dartmouth. Like I said if the Technical Director leaves and a new one comes in he could quite possibly clean house. Also, Cook got his Professional License while at Dartmouth. To me that means he thought he was good enough to coach in a more challenging role than Dartmouth. Those are not easy licenses to get and take a lot of time and cost a ton of money to get. You do not go and get one of those licenses to go coach an academy team. Makes no sense. He must have thought he would take a chance and get into an MLS situation with the hope of eventually coaching in MLS. That has not happened as of yet and I doubt it ever will. I am basing my point on fact(professional license) and also opinion. You are basing your point on pure conjecture.

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« Reply #123 on: January 03, 2018, 01:47:31 pm »
I didn't base a single thing on what Cooke was thinking.  I said "It's tough to say Cooke leaving Darthmouth for the Union was a bad move", which I absolutely stand by.  You have no idea what he was looking for, nor do I, but I would never come out and say something was a bad move when the guy has a stable job in one of the best academies in the MLS.

It is not as stable a job as Dartmouth. Like I said if the Technical Director leaves and a new one comes in he could quite possibly clean house. Also, Cook got his Professional License while at Dartmouth. To me that means he thought he was good enough to coach in a more challenging role than Dartmouth. Those are not easy licenses to get and take a lot of time and cost a ton of money to get. You do not go and get one of those licenses to go coach an academy team. Makes no sense. He must have thought he would take a chance and get into an MLS situation with the hope of eventually coaching in MLS. That has not happened as of yet and I doubt it ever will. I am basing my point on fact(professional license) and also opinion. You are basing your point on pure conjecture.



Just to put a bow on this whole back and forth conveniently Jeff Cook has just been hired to be Men's Soccer Head Coach at Penn State.


http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/010218aaa.html



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« Reply #124 on: January 06, 2018, 03:33:38 pm »
I didn't base a single thing on what Cooke was thinking.  I said "It's tough to say Cooke leaving Darthmouth for the Union was a bad move", which I absolutely stand by.  You have no idea what he was looking for, nor do I, but I would never come out and say something was a bad move when the guy has a stable job in one of the best academies in the MLS.

It is not as stable a job as Dartmouth. Like I said if the Technical Director leaves and a new one comes in he could quite possibly clean house. Also, Cook got his Professional License while at Dartmouth. To me that means he thought he was good enough to coach in a more challenging role than Dartmouth. Those are not easy licenses to get and take a lot of time and cost a ton of money to get. You do not go and get one of those licenses to go coach an academy team. Makes no sense. He must have thought he would take a chance and get into an MLS situation with the hope of eventually coaching in MLS. That has not happened as of yet and I doubt it ever will. I am basing my point on fact(professional license) and also opinion. You are basing your point on pure conjecture.



Just to put a bow on this whole back and forth conveniently Jeff Cook has just been hired to be Men's Soccer Head Coach at Penn State.


http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/010218aaa.html

Looks like that “bad move” to the Union didn’t work out so badly after all.

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« Reply #125 on: January 10, 2018, 03:51:36 pm »
I didn't base a single thing on what Cooke was thinking.  I said "It's tough to say Cooke leaving Darthmouth for the Union was a bad move", which I absolutely stand by.  You have no idea what he was looking for, nor do I, but I would never come out and say something was a bad move when the guy has a stable job in one of the best academies in the MLS.

It is not as stable a job as Dartmouth. Like I said if the Technical Director leaves and a new one comes in he could quite possibly clean house. Also, Cook got his Professional License while at Dartmouth. To me that means he thought he was good enough to coach in a more challenging role than Dartmouth. Those are not easy licenses to get and take a lot of time and cost a ton of money to get. You do not go and get one of those licenses to go coach an academy team. Makes no sense. He must have thought he would take a chance and get into an MLS situation with the hope of eventually coaching in MLS. That has not happened as of yet and I doubt it ever will. I am basing my point on fact(professional license) and also opinion. You are basing your point on pure conjecture.



Just to put a bow on this whole back and forth conveniently Jeff Cook has just been hired to be Men's Soccer Head Coach at Penn State.


http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/010218aaa.html

Looks like that “bad move” to the Union didn’t work out so badly after all.



That was not my point...Cook went to get his Professional license to work at the Top of MLS..That obviously was not going to happen but it took him 5 years to figure that out when his peers could have told him that earlier. He is VERY lucky to get such a good job at Penn State being 50 years old. I am guessing he made some connections in the Philadelphia area and throughout the whole state that might of helped him get the gig. Just a guess. However, by him going back to the college game your point that he was "sick of recruiting" and the college game in general was proven wrong. We can leave at that but still he is very lucky to get such a good gig....Anyhow...

Now as predicted the Dartmouth job has opened up AGAIN because Chad Riley got the Notre Dame job which is another shock to me. I would have thought Clarke's son would have wanted it but maybe he likes Wash U..

http://www.und.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/010418aac.html


My hunch is Wheeler will apply to his Alma Mater again but I am not sure if he has a great chance. If he was passed over the 1st time why would they hire him the 2nd time? I could be wrong and hope I am as I would like to see him get this job. With the former Williams AD Sheehy now the AD at Dartmouth he is known for hiring "winners" whatever that means. He likes proven winners and Wheeler has not done much winning lately. However, Riley had no Head Coahing experience before he got hired at Dartmouth so who knows. I must say if Shapiro applied I think he would get it. Proven winner in D3, Sheehy knows Nescac and how difficult it is to win continually in Nescac, D1 Assistant experience, etc etc..If Shapiro wants a different challenge it is time to get on the horse because if he waits until he hits 50 it will be extremely difficult especially making the jump to D1. Certainly if Cook and Riley and even O'Leary could win Ivy Titles at Dartmouth than Shapiro can as well. They key is can he get them past the Sweet 16 which is very difficult when you start to go up against ACC schools etc. This is a logical next move for a very successful coach who I think must be in his mid 40's. If he can win at Dartmouth then he can certainly use it as a stepping stone to a better job in D1 like everyone else. O'Leary's move to George Mason after Dartmouth was a complete disaster and he knew it. He resigned at George Mason after I think 3 years to take the Bowdoin job. The rumor was the AD at George Mason when O'Leary resigned asked him "what Bowdoin College is or where it is"?   
Anyway, nothing wrong with Shapiro staying at Tufts for the next 25 years but if he has any notion of moving on this is the time to do it.