BB: Top Teams in West Region

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Jack Parkman

Quote from: 108 Stitches on February 21, 2018, 08:03:36 PM
They can do it at Trinity when they build their new stadium...

Have to ask ex recruiting coach Fregosi about when its going to be built.

LOL.

PS: There is a back story to this one. ;)

I assume Trinity players were recruited with the same line about playing in a brand new stadium?  Same thing for us back in the mid/late 90's.  It finally happened 10 years later.

Ron Boerger

Oh gads, don't get me started on Trinity and stadiums. 

Doubt we're gonna see much baseball played in most of central/south/east TX this weekend ... has been wet, supposed to be wet again tomorrow.  There will be a break in the action later today (already drying out in Central TX) so might get a game or two in later on fields that were covered and/or drain well.   

Ralph Turner

The first 4 weekends of action have muddied the waters in the West.  No top team has lived up to expectations altho' just how good (or bad) is UHouston-Victoria, who opened with a 3-game set against Trinity Texas (TU-TX, as opposed to Trinity Connecticut).

GFU has won the games it is supposed to win and been close in the rest.  Centenary showed promise. Whitworth has gone 5-6 against a respectable schedule. The SCIAC is a mess, but Redlands has the best season winning percentage. Maybe CTX gets the nod in the ASC. I am sorry that the CTX WashUStL game was canceled. CTX catches Concordia-IL tomorrow.

Has the West just beat up on itself? I don't know.

Any other thoughts?

Pirat

My top teams in the Region:  Tyler, Redlands, Centenary, George Fox in that order.
My guess is Trinity will be there as one of the top teams once they get a few more games under their belt.
TLU at 9-3 took a step back this past weekend but still in the hunt.
Early league contenders.
ASC: Tyler, Dallas, maybe Concordia
NWC: Geo Fox, Linfield, Whitworth, maybe Willamette
SCAC: Centenary, Trinity, maybe TLU
SCIAC: Redlands, Chapman, Cal Lu

Mike Lehman

Quote from: pirat on February 28, 2018, 01:44:40 PM
My top teams in the Region:  Tyler, Redlands, Centenary, George Fox in that order.
My guess is Trinity will be there as one of the top teams once they get a few more games under their belt.
TLU at 9-3 took a step back this past weekend but still in the hunt.
Early league contenders.
ASC: Tyler, Dallas, maybe Concordia
NWC: Geo Fox, Linfield, Whitworth, maybe Willamette
SCAC: Centenary, Trinity, maybe TLU
SCIAC: Redlands, Chapman, Cal Lu
March 5, 2018
ASC Texas-Dallas 9-5
NWC George Fox 14-3 Puget Sound 8-3
SCAC Trinity-Texas 8-1 Texas-Lutheran 12-3
SCIAC Redlands 11-3 Pomona 10-4

108 Stitches

#2090
Through games of Sunday March 4, 2018

#   School (1st votes)   Rec   Pts   Prev.
1   Mass-Boston (10)   1-0   594   3
2   UW-Whitewater (9)   0-0   573   2
3   Washington and Jefferson (2)   1-1   514   4
4   North Central (Ill.)   2-0   502   5
5   Cortland (1)   4-4   447   1
6   Wooster (1)   1-0   435   9
7   Trinity (Texas) (1)   8-1   426   15
8   Centenary (La.)   7-3   392   13

9   Concordia-Chicago   2-2   390   6
10   Southern Maine   0-0   365   11
11   Oswego State   2-1   348   8
12   Johns Hopkins   3-2   344   7
13   Methodist   13-2   328   20
14   Roanoke   7-3   278   16
15   Shenandoah   6-2   248   17
16   Texas-Tyler   8-5   236   12
17   St. Thomas   0-0   212   18
18   George Fox   14-3   209   24
19   TCNJ   1-0   185   19
20   Randolph-Macon   6-2   143   23
21   Wheaton (Mass.)   1-0   121   25
22   Christopher Newport   9-4   90   rv
23   Birmingham-Southern   6-6   85   14
24   Salve Regina   1-0   68   rv
25   Rowan   3-0   56   rv
Dropped out: No. 10 Cal Lutheran, No. 21 Salisbury, No. 22 St. John Fisher.

Others receiving votes: Cal Lutheran 47, Baldwin Wallace 42, St. Scholastica 42, La Roche 39, Frostburg State 37, Marietta 32, Salisbury 30, Ramapo 27, Catholic 23, Mount Union 21, RIT 19, Misericordia 18, Otterbein 18, Adrian 18, Kean 17, UW-La Crosse 16, Millsaps 15, Redlands 13, Alvernia 12, Tufts 12, Texas-Dallas 12, Babson 9, Maryville 7, Texas Lutheran 6, Denison 3, Heidelberg 3, Webster 2, St. John Fisher 2, Earlham 1, Keystone 1, Wartburg 1.

* Mike I think you overlooked Centenary, big games for them this weekend, which will help them immensely if they don't win the SCAC. (which they should have a very good chance to do)

Mike Lehman

Quote from: Mike Lehman on March 05, 2018, 06:01:17 PM
Quote from: pirat on February 28, 2018, 01:44:40 PM
My top teams in the Region:  Tyler, Redlands, Centenary, George Fox in that order.
My guess is Trinity will be there as one of the top teams once they get a few more games under their belt.
TLU at 9-3 took a step back this past weekend but still in the hunt.
Early league contenders.
ASC: Tyler, Dallas, maybe Concordia
NWC: Geo Fox, Linfield, Whitworth, maybe Willamette
SCAC: Centenary, Trinity, maybe TLU
SCIAC: Redlands, Chapman, Cal Lu
March 5, 2018
ASC Texas-Dallas 9-5
NWC George Fox 14-3 Puget Sound 8-3
SCAC Trinity-Texas 8-1 Texas-Lutheran 12-3 Centenary (La.)   7-3
SCIAC Redlands 11-3 Pomona 10-4

Purple Heys

Quote from: 108 Stitches on March 06, 2018, 11:33:38 AM
Through games of Sunday March 4, 2018

#   School (1st votes)   Rec   Pts   Prev.
1   Mass-Boston (10)   1-0   594   3
2   UW-Whitewater (9)   0-0   573   2
3   Washington and Jefferson (2)   1-1   514   4
4   North Central (Ill.)   2-0   502   5
5   Cortland (1)   4-4   447   1
6   Wooster (1)   1-0   435   9
7   Trinity (Texas) (1)   8-1   426   15
8   Centenary (La.)   7-3   392   13

9   Concordia-Chicago   2-2   390   6
10   Southern Maine   0-0   365   11
11   Oswego State   2-1   348   8
12   Johns Hopkins   3-2   344   7
13   Methodist   13-2   328   20
14   Roanoke   7-3   278   16
15   Shenandoah   6-2   248   17
16   Texas-Tyler   8-5   236   12
17   St. Thomas   0-0   212   18
18   George Fox   14-3   209   24
19   TCNJ   1-0   185   19
20   Randolph-Macon   6-2   143   23
21   Wheaton (Mass.)   1-0   121   25
22   Christopher Newport   9-4   90   rv
23   Birmingham-Southern   6-6   85   14
24   Salve Regina   1-0   68   rv
25   Rowan   3-0   56   rv
Dropped out: No. 10 Cal Lutheran, No. 21 Salisbury, No. 22 St. John Fisher.

Others receiving votes: Cal Lutheran 47, Baldwin Wallace 42, St. Scholastica 42, La Roche 39, Frostburg State 37, Marietta 32, Salisbury 30, Ramapo 27, Catholic 23, Mount Union 21, RIT 19, Misericordia 18, Otterbein 18, Adrian 18, Kean 17, UW-La Crosse 16, Millsaps 15, Redlands 13, Alvernia 12, Tufts 12, Texas-Dallas 12, Babson 9, Maryville 7, Texas Lutheran 6, Denison 3, Heidelberg 3, Webster 2, St. John Fisher 2, Earlham 1, Keystone 1, Wartburg 1.

* Mike I think you overlooked Centenary, big games for them this weekend, which will help them immensely if they don't win the SCAC. (which they should have a very good chance to do)

Redlands is underrated compared to their performance, Cal Lu is overrated compared to their performance
You can't leave me....all the plants will die.

MIFDad


108 Stitches

Mike: Correction noted.

Purple Heys: Not sure about that. Redlands hasn't faced really top notch competition yet. This weekend against Centenary will be revealing for both programs. CLU will definitely have a down year and has dropped like a rock in the standings and are now out of the top 20 and I don't see them returning.

The enigma for me is TLU who seems like a very competitive team, but dropped a big turd against UT Tyler.

At first pass it looks like the West will have 5 of the 6 teams in their Regional, but it is still early.




Ralph Turner

Quote from: 108 Stitches on March 06, 2018, 10:43:41 PM
Mike: Correction noted.

Purple Heys: Not sure about that. Redlands hasn't faced really top notch competition yet. This weekend against Centenary will be revealing for both programs. CLU will definitely have a down year and has dropped like a rock in the standings and are now out of the top 20 and I don't see them returning.

The enigma for me is TLU who seems like a very competitive team, but dropped a big turd against UT Tyler.

At first pass it looks like the West will have 5 of the 6 teams in their Regional, but it is still early.
I am inclined to think we are seeing the West Region Balance. Every team has a good #1 pitcher and most have a good #2 pitcher. The staffs that have good #3's, middle inning support and a good closer finally work their way to the top, and then we see them in May. I think that CLU was remarkably fortunate to have such good offensive power and solid defense that they could get by with 3 very strong starters and a closer last year.  The prior year, Trinity had a wide, deep, experienced staff that had been developed throughout the season.

Pirat

My Top teams
ASC:  Tyler, Concordia, Dallas
NWC: George Fox, Linfield, Whitworth
SCAC:  Trinity, Centenary, TLU
SCIAC: Redlands, Chapman, Pomona
Acknowledgements: (NCAA stats)
Hitter: Jonathan Bigley   (Sul Ross)  Senior  Right field   62 ABs 1.475 OPS
Picher:  Ryan Cheatham (Tyler)  Senior   4 starts,   24.1 innings, 0.00 ERA
Carter Buuck (Linfield)    Senior    5 starts, 33.1 innings, .81 ERA 
Blaine Parker   (ETBU)  Freshman   5 starts, 27.2 innings,  .98 ERA
Shortstop:  Aaron Singh  (Redlands)   Junior,  76 chances 1 error
2nd base:  Dustin Meyer (Pacific)  Junior,  92 chances    0 errors

Ralph Turner

Quote from: 108 Stitches on March 06, 2018, 10:43:41 PM
Mike: Correction noted.

Purple Heys: Not sure about that. Redlands hasn't faced really top notch competition yet. This weekend against Centenary will be revealing for both programs. CLU will definitely have a down year and has dropped like a rock in the standings and are now out of the top 20 and I don't see them returning.

The enigma for me is TLU who seems like a very competitive team, but dropped a big turd against UT Tyler.

At first pass it looks like the West will have 5 of the 6 teams in their Regional, but it is still early.
I am inclined to think we are seeing the West Region Balance. Every team has a good #1 pitcher and most have a good #2 pitcher. The staffs that have good #3's, middle inning support and a good closer finally work their way to the top, and then we see them in May. I think that CLU was remarkably fortunate to have such good offensive power and solid defense that they could get by with 3 very strong starters and a closer last year.  The prior year, Trinity had a wide, deep, experienced staff that had been developed throughout the season.




...I thought about that post for several minutes when I made it. I now must acknowledge a versatile utility man, C Trey Saito who pulled innings and got decisions, too.

MIFDad

Here's my common-sense argument for Redlands being underrated, without any sophisticated statistical or SOS knowledge to clutter my brain.

a)  clearly they are more deserving of votes than Cal Lu at this point, yet Cal Lu got a lot more, indicating that voters' awareness of teams has a latency period, and so they are undervaluing Redlands to some degree at least.  b) a SCIAC team has finished the year in the top 25 for 5 of the 7 years so far in this decade.  That would seem to indicate that the league is strong enough that its best team usually makes the top 25. Since player churn year to year is only 25% it's likely that the top SCIAC team belongs in at least spitting distance of the top 25, and Redlands isn't close, so they are undervalued.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: MIFDad on March 07, 2018, 09:04:57 PM
Here's my common-sense argument for Redlands being underrated, without any sophisticated statistical or SOS knowledge to clutter my brain.

a)  clearly they are more deserving of votes than Cal Lu at this point, yet Cal Lu got a lot more, indicating that voters' awareness of teams has a latency period, and so they are undervaluing Redlands to some degree at least.  b) a SCIAC team has finished the year in the top 25 for 5 of the 7 years so far in this decade.  That would seem to indicate that the league is strong enough that its best team usually makes the top 25. Since player churn year to year is only 25% it's likely that the top SCIAC team belongs in at least spitting distance of the top 25, and Redlands isn't close, so they are undervalued.
MIFDad,  Thanks for the response.

I think that the West has sorted itself to the degree that we can say for early March.  We may see more decay in the performances of UTT, Centenary LA and/or Trinity TX in the next 6 weeks.  ETBU may be a factor in the West Region.

There are plenty of other programs which have not suffered thru their first 15-20 games with records that are below expectations.  The Northern teams are beginning their Spring Break trips to the south and to Cali.

I think that the SCIAC leader will declare itself by mid April and then resume its position in the Top 25.

If Redlands is 25-7 by April 15, they will be back in the Top 25.

I recommend that you watch as the northern and northeastern teams (from respectable conferences which have placed members in the Top 25 poll 5 of the last 7 years  ;-)  ) begin to sort themselves.

I am watching to see if GFU holds strong, too.