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Ron Boerger

Bob has been saying this for some time; it's odd that none of the people I know with insight/connections into the ASC have backed it up.  If true, you only thought they all had problems scheduling today; the C2C doesn't have anything resembling a regular season, only conference championships so while there might be 12 teams playing men's/women's basketball, they don't as a rule play each other until the championships.  Putting together a regular-season slate is going to be challenging in all sports.

And it doesn't address the elephant in the room, football. 

Mavchamp

Quote from: crufootball on March 26, 2024, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 26, 2024, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: Mavchamp on March 25, 2024, 03:12:40 PMIt's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

SAA will be looking for another addition, BSC is done, shutting the doors May 31st. 

Haha going to test the strength of the bond between the Baptist 4

Most definately.  If they are smart....sadly......at this point it's every man for himself.

Mavchamp

Quote from: Etchglow on March 26, 2024, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 26, 2024, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: Mavchamp on March 25, 2024, 03:12:40 PMIt's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

SAA will be looking for another addition, BSC is done, shutting the doors May 31st.

Sorry to hear nothing could get worked out. But, I don't think any of the Baptist 4 have the academic chops to join the SAA lol...


HPU and ETBU admission standards and acceptance rates are more stringent than a couple of current SAA schools....

Geographically..... none of the Baptist 4 are ideal.  ETBU is a stretch.  But the other 3 would be really tough travel wise.

Etchglow

Quote from: Mavchamp on Yesterday at 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on March 26, 2024, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 26, 2024, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: Mavchamp on March 25, 2024, 03:12:40 PMIt's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

SAA will be looking for another addition, BSC is done, shutting the doors May 31st.

Sorry to hear nothing could get worked out. But, I don't think any of the Baptist 4 have the academic chops to join the SAA lol...


HPU and ETBU admission standards and acceptance rates are more stringent than a couple of current SAA schools....

Geographically..... none of the Baptist 4 are ideal.  ETBU is a stretch.  But the other 3 would be really tough travel wise.

Geographically, it'd be interesting if the SAA + ASC joined forces... And had Trinity, Southwestern, UMHB, ETBU, HPU and HSU in one division and then Centre, Sewanee, Berry, Rhodes, Hendrix, and Millsaps in the other.  Downside would be having HPU, UMHB and Trinity all together lol. 

Pat Coleman

Quote from: Ron Boerger on Yesterday at 07:36:46 AMBob has been saying this for some time; it's odd that none of the people I know with insight/connections into the ASC have backed it up.  If true, you only thought they all had problems scheduling today; the C2C doesn't have anything resembling a regular season, only conference championships so while there might be 12 teams playing men's/women's basketball, they don't as a rule play each other until the championships.  Putting together a regular-season slate is going to be challenging in all sports.

And it doesn't address the elephant in the room, football. 

The C2C schools who play football in the NJAC are not free agents and can't participate in anything else until ... I think 2026?
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Ron Boerger

Quote from: Etchglow on Yesterday at 10:47:59 AMGeographically, it'd be interesting if the SAA + ASC joined forces... And had Trinity, Southwestern, UMHB, ETBU, HPU and HSU in one division and then Centre, Sewanee, Berry, Rhodes, Hendrix, and Millsaps in the other.  Downside would be having HPU, UMHB and Trinity all together lol. 

Just can't see the SAA presidents going to this extent for football.  The SW/Trinity moves were done with full knowledge that BSC was in trouble, and there may be more to come, so it was a proactive move to ensure the conference would not be where the ASC finds themselves today. 

What I *could* see is them extending an invite to Austin College, which has a great deal in common with the SAA schools and was part of the pre-split SCAC as were Southwestern and Trinity.  They could pair with Hendrix for travel purposes in other sports.  And if they do that, it throws the SCAC into a situation forcing them to align with the ASC Football Four (or a subset) to get the Pool A bid they have planned for since bringing the sport back. 

Etchglow

Quote from: Ron Boerger on Yesterday at 11:25:56 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on Yesterday at 10:47:59 AMGeographically, it'd be interesting if the SAA + ASC joined forces... And had Trinity, Southwestern, UMHB, ETBU, HPU and HSU in one division and then Centre, Sewanee, Berry, Rhodes, Hendrix, and Millsaps in the other.  Downside would be having HPU, UMHB and Trinity all together lol. 

Just can't see the SAA presidents going to this extent for football.  The SW/Trinity moves were done with full knowledge that BSC was in trouble, and there may be more to come, so it was a proactive move to ensure the conference would not be where the ASC finds themselves today. 

What I *could* see is them extending an invite to Austin College, which has a great deal in common with the SAA schools and was part of the pre-split SCAC as were Southwestern and Trinity.  They could pair with Hendrix for travel purposes in other sports.  And if they do that, it throws the SCAC into a situation forcing them to align with the ASC Football Four (or a subset) to get the Pool A bid they have planned for since bringing the sport back. 

Yeah, I don't see it happening but it'd be cool.  It'd be awesome if we just had one big happy Texas conference :D

BSCpanthers

The Roos were a part of SAA football just a couple years ago.  They also have the Tony Joe White, the football coach that brought BSC so much success.  So there is a connection already there for Austin and the SAA.

crufootball

Quote from: Ron Boerger on Yesterday at 11:25:56 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on Yesterday at 10:47:59 AMGeographically, it'd be interesting if the SAA + ASC joined forces... And had Trinity, Southwestern, UMHB, ETBU, HPU and HSU in one division and then Centre, Sewanee, Berry, Rhodes, Hendrix, and Millsaps in the other.  Downside would be having HPU, UMHB and Trinity all together lol. 

Just can't see the SAA presidents going to this extent for football.  The SW/Trinity moves were done with full knowledge that BSC was in trouble, and there may be more to come, so it was a proactive move to ensure the conference would not be where the ASC finds themselves today. 

What I *could* see is them extending an invite to Austin College, which has a great deal in common with the SAA schools and was part of the pre-split SCAC as were Southwestern and Trinity.  They could pair with Hendrix for travel purposes in other sports.  And if they do that, it throws the SCAC into a situation forcing them to align with the ASC Football Four (or a subset) to get the Pool A bid they have planned for since bringing the sport back. 

Would you think Austin College would listen if they thought they thought the SCAC was solid? I got the sense that they even came to the ASC because they weren't winning in the SAA anyway so why travel that much further just to lose either way.

Ron Boerger

The people who make the conference decisions are the school presidents, though it helps if the AD and coaching staffs are in agreement.  It's hard to say what Austin might think about a move - @Jekelish is a supporter of their program, if he happens to see this, he can give a much better perspective.

The previous moves of the 'Roo football team were because they didn't have a home conference option, so they had the freedom to find a best fit.  I don't think the SCAC is going anywhere (especially after swallowing half the ASC) but with only six teams to play football and no Pool A bid for several years still (clock starts two years after they have six-2026 if Schreiner follows their current plan, so 2028 for a bid?) AC might at least think about it if they get an invite.

Inkblot

Quote from: Ron Boerger on Yesterday at 04:41:45 PMThe people who make the conference decisions are the school presidents, though it helps if the AD and coaching staffs are in agreement.  It's hard to say what Austin might think about a move - @Jekelish is a supporter of their program, if he happens to see this, he can give a much better perspective.

The previous moves of the 'Roo football team were because they didn't have a home conference option, so they had the freedom to find a best fit.  I don't think the SCAC is going anywhere (especially after swallowing half the ASC) but with only six teams to play football and no Pool A bid for several years still (clock starts two years after they have six-2026 if Schreiner follows their current plan, so 2028 for a bid?) AC might at least think about it if they get an invite.

Hasn't the waiting period been eliminated for existing conferences adding a new sport? I know the Landmark got a Pool A immediately.
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crufootball

Quote from: Ron Boerger on Yesterday at 04:41:45 PMThe people who make the conference decisions are the school presidents, though it helps if the AD and coaching staffs are in agreement.  It's hard to say what Austin might think about a move - @Jekelish is a supporter of their program, if he happens to see this, he can give a much better perspective.

The previous moves of the 'Roo football team were because they didn't have a home conference option, so they had the freedom to find a best fit.  I don't think the SCAC is going anywhere (especially after swallowing half the ASC) but with only six teams to play football and no Pool A bid for several years still (clock starts two years after they have six-2026 if Schreiner follows their current plan, so 2028 for a bid?) AC might at least think about it if they get an invite.

What is your opinion on why Trinity made the jump from the SCAC to the SAA fully? Did they not like the recent moves?

As for AC, it would be ironic if the SCAC made all these moves that look liked was going to make them a solid conference only to come up 1 short of the 6 schools needed to get a football auto-bid.

river2

Quote from: crufootball on Yesterday at 05:27:25 PMWhat is your opinion on why Trinity made the jump from the SCAC to the SAA fully? Did they not like the recent moves?


Trinity views themselves a cut above the SCAC schools academically and SAA is stronger across the board. Additionally SAA endowments are higher (most at 200MM-1B+) than the remaining SCAC schools (typically in the 100MM$ and below range) so positioning themselves for stability in the next decade as enrollment cliff looms.

Ron Boerger

*most of the SCAC schools - Colorado College would still be at the top of that list, most would agree.

The only thing I would add to this is that Trinity recently was reclassified by Carnegie as a "Baccalaureate Arts and Sciences College", leading to them being considered a "National Liberal Arts College" in the rankings.  Nearly all the SAA schools are similarly designated, but very few of the SCAC schools are.  Prior to the change they were a "Regional University", which is how most of the remaining SCAC and ASC schools are classified.   Southwestern had gone through a similar reclassification several years earlier. 

Trinity, Southwestern and six of the SAA schools (including Birmingham-Southern) are also members of the Associated Colleges of the South.  Centenary is the only SCAC/ASC school among that group.  It's all about aligning with your peers.