East Region Playoff Discussion

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Pat Coleman

I think it's clear they have looked at overall record already in ranking Wabash behind Witt entering last week.
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But I thought rankings were based on regional records only.

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Pat Coleman

There's been a lot of discussion over the past couple of years that suggests that secondary criteria come into play pretty early for football since there are only 10 games total.
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Jonny Utah

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2010, 03:01:56 PM
There's been a lot of discussion over the past couple of years that suggests that secondary criteria come into play pretty early for football since there are only 10 games total.

I think I mentioned that somewhere earlier on this board when Frank mentioned something to the degree that secondary criteria was not at play this year.  I'll have to find it.

Jonny Utah

Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 03, 2010, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on November 03, 2010, 05:32:21 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 03, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
OK, SJF, you're getting screwed.  Using Primary Criteria (Secondary really not at play here):

W/L percentage is null
SoS is +SJF (0.009)
No head-to-head
Common opponents is +SJF (two bigger victories, one by like 30)
Regionally-Ranked Opponents is +ROW:  SJF loses to #9, beats #8; Rowan loses to #5, beats #4

To me, the SoS difference nullifies the RRO here (negligible differences in both directions).  For a Committee that won't pick 8-2 teams over 9-1 teams unless there are "direct links" between teams in the discussion, how aren't common opponents being considered as very important in this determination -- those are as close to direct links as you can get).


ehhhhh maybe if we are able to win on Saturday that will boost up our strength of schedule a little bit more while Rowan is playing a .500 team and a 1-7 team to round off their schedule....that should make their SoS go down. 



Hasn't the NCAA ignored their own criteria in the past though?

Ah yes here it was.  I guess they don't "ignore" the criteria.  Just off the top of my head it seems that the NCAA has used secondary criteria a lot to determine past pool C football spots.

AUKaz00

My guess at the eastern most bracket looks like this:

Mount Union
Delaware Valley
NJAC Pool A
SUNY-Maritime
NJAC Pool C
Alfred
NEFC Pool A
St. Lawrence

If Maine-Maritime wins the NEFC, the only teams they could play would be Cortland, Montclair or St. Lawrence (I think).  So they could end up in a 3-7 matchup with Alfred going up against Del Valley in their place.  I'll be rooting for Endicott and hoping that Cortland ends up with the 3 seed just so the band doesn't have to travel as far.  We'll know in one week.
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FranElia

Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 07, 2010, 06:26:35 PM
My guess at the eastern most bracket looks like this:

Mount Union
Delaware Valley
NJAC Pool A
SUNY-Maritime
NJAC Pool C
Alfred
NEFC Pool A
St. Lawrence

If Maine-Maritime wins the NEFC, the only teams they could play would be Cortland, Montclair or St. Lawrence (I think).  So they could end up in a 3-7 matchup with Alfred going up against Del Valley in their place.  I'll be rooting for Endicott and hoping that Cortland ends up with the 3 seed just so the band doesn't have to travel as far.  We'll know in one week.

From what I can tell, official distances from Maine Maritime are:
St. Lawrence - 432
SUNY Maritime - 443
Montclair St. - 465
Delaware Valley - 537
Rowan - 557
Cortland - 578
Alfred - 673

labart96

I could see a "maritime bowl" or Maine travelling to a NJAC school - they did so vs. Montclair last year.

Doid23

Quote from: franelia on November 07, 2010, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 07, 2010, 06:26:35 PM
My guess at the eastern most bracket looks like this:

Mount Union
Delaware Valley
NJAC Pool A
SUNY-Maritime
NJAC Pool C
Alfred
NEFC Pool A
St. Lawrence

If Maine-Maritime wins the NEFC, the only teams they could play would be Cortland, Montclair or St. Lawrence (I think).  So they could end up in a 3-7 matchup with Alfred going up against Del Valley in their place.  I'll be rooting for Endicott and hoping that Cortland ends up with the 3 seed just so the band doesn't have to travel as far.  We'll know in one week.

From what I can tell, official distances from Maine Maritime are:
St. Lawrence - 432
SUNY Maritime - 443
Montclair St. - 465
Delaware Valley - 537
Rowan - 557
Cortland - 578
Alfred - 673


That would be some bus ride between Maine Maritime and St. Lawrence! 10 hours of hell, may have to take the shortcut through Canada. Watch out, MOOSE!

AUKaz00

Quote from: franelia on November 07, 2010, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on November 07, 2010, 06:26:35 PM
My guess at the eastern most bracket looks like this:

Mount Union
Delaware Valley
NJAC Pool A
SUNY-Maritime
NJAC Pool C
Alfred
NEFC Pool A
St. Lawrence

If Maine-Maritime wins the NEFC, the only teams they could play would be Cortland, Montclair or St. Lawrence (I think).  So they could end up in a 3-7 matchup with Alfred going up against Del Valley in their place.  I'll be rooting for Endicott and hoping that Cortland ends up with the 3 seed just so the band doesn't have to travel as far.  We'll know in one week.

From what I can tell, official distances from Maine Maritime are:
St. Lawrence - 432
SUNY Maritime - 443
Montclair St. - 465
Delaware Valley - 537
Rowan - 557
Cortland - 578
Alfred - 673

Didn't realize Cortland was that far away from MME.  I think a lot of teams will be rooting for Endicott this week or two of the lower seeded teams could end up playing each other.
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Amended Pool C Numbers (Trine did not clinch in the MIAA, Wash. U. was wrongly placed in the North and Opponents' Reg. Records are included, when different).  I will add Quality Wins/Losses on Wednesday night:

South
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Hampden-Sydney (8-1, 0.524 -- 0.523/0.527) -- vs. Randolph-Macon (7-2, 0.446)
Hardin-Simmons (8-1, 0.502 -- 0.492/0.523) -- at Louisiana Col. (6-3 (6-2 Reg.), 0.456)
** Washington U. (7-2 (4-1 Reg.), 0.442 -- 0.412/0.503) -- at Chicago (7-2, 0.530)

North
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Wheaton (Ill.) (8-1, 0.604 -- 0.614/0.583) -- at Millikin (4-5, 0.581)
Ohio Northern (8-1 (7-1 Reg.), 0.512 -- 0.508/0.521) -- vs. Heidelberg (5-4, 0.456)
* Wittenberg (9-0, 0.416 -- 0.365/0.517) -- at Wooster (5-4 (5-3 Reg.), 0.441)
* Trine (9-0 (8-0 Reg.), 0.379 -- 0.311/0.515) -- vs. Albion (5-4 (5-2 Reg.), 0.446)
** Wabash (7-2 (7-1 Reg.), 0.525 -- 0.552/0.472) -- vs. DePauw (9-0, 0.522)

East
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Montclair St. (8-1, 0.500 -- 0.493/0.515) -- at Wm. Paterson (4-5, 0.394)
* Rowan (8-1, 0.497 -- 0.486/0.518) -- at New Jersey (5-4, 0.408)
* Cortland (8-1, 0.491 -- 0.486/0.501) -- vs. Ithaca (6-3, 0.588)

West
-------
Coe (8-1 (6-1 Reg.), 0.543 -- 0.571/0.488) -- at Cornell (0-9, 0.535)
Bethel (8-1, 0.513 -- 0.493/0.552) -- vs. Augsburg (4-5, 0.479)
Redlands (7-1, 0.503 -- 0.481/0.547) -- vs. Chapman (4-4 (4-2 Reg.), 0.462)
Pac. Luth. (7-1 (6-1 Reg.), 0.463 -- 0.438/0.514) -- vs. Willamette (7-2 (5-2 Reg.), 0.511)

* - Team May Still Win Its Conference's Pool A Bid
** - Team Included Since In-Reg. Record Includes Just One Loss

After Win/Loss Records are NCAA SoS -- OWP/OOWP -- Final Opponent (W/L, OWP of Final Opponent).  If Regional Record differs, a second W/L record is in inner parentheses, indicated with "Reg."


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lewdogg11

Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 10, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/

What did they read our b!tching about Mount Union being 3rd in the North last week?  North Central wins handily over Wheaton and Mount Union jumps them?  Interesting...  Looks like the chess pieces are now in place!

HScoach

^ I think so too.  They moved North Central behind Mount to allow Whitewater to be separated from St Thomas by the Warhawks being the #1 in the North and Mount the #1 in the East.

Interesting how #2 NCC can beat the North's #1 ranked team (Wheaton), #3 Mount can beat the North's 6th ranked team (Baldwin Wallace) and Mount jumps North Central. 

If the plan is to move Mount east, I'm not sure what makes St Thomas a better option in the West than NCC is in the North?  but is sure looks like they moved Mount & North Central around to justify that very thing.

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Quote from: No Longer Negative LD11 on November 10, 2010, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 10, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/

What did they read our b!tching about Mount Union being 3rd in the North last week?  North Central wins handily over Wheaton and Mount Union jumps them?  Interesting...  Looks like the chess pieces are now in place!

Funny how that works out.  I cannot remember whether it was North Central as #1 and Wheaton #2 (or switched). But presumably, if the #1 team beats the #2 ranked team in the region, you wouldn't figure that they would drop to #2 behind the #3 (MUC) ranked team.  You also wouldn't expect that if the #2 ranked team beat the #1 ranked team in the region that the #3 ranked team would jump to #1.

Either way...MUC deserves to be #1, and the fact that they weren't right from the get go shows how stupid/lazy the previous regional rankings were.
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