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Hamiltonian - Most of what you wrote is bad news for Colby. The offense has been non-existent thus far. 27 total points on the year. Barely 5 yards per reception. and last week was really bad with 125 yards passing and only 10 yards rushing. That said, the offense did try to open it up last week, so maybe this week they can finally put points on the board. The defense has been solid most of the time, but has gotten worn down from lack of offensive support. The one thing is does lack is a true pass rush, so that may be a problem Saturday. But overall it's a sound unit. And the punter is exceptional. If Hamilton jumps out early it will be a long day for Colby. If we can hold them early as we've held other teams, and the offense can move the ball and score a couple of TDs, we'll have a nice game to watch. We'll have to wait and see.

Hamiltonian

Honestly, ColbyF, you guys have had a brutal schedule.  You really don't know yet what your team is capable of against more balanced opposition.  This week's game may look very different than the one's you've seen so far.  Who knew Hamilton could run the ball before last week?

ColbyFootball

Quote from: Hamiltonian on October 18, 2017, 10:36:14 AM
Honestly, ColbyF, you guys have had a brutal schedule.  You really don't know yet what your team is capable of against more balanced opposition.  This week's game may look very different than the one's you've seen so far.  Who knew Hamilton could run the ball before last week?
I hope you're right.

413Local

Or perhaps, come here for a year, and you will be a stronger candidate, because we will offer you a chance to improve your board scores, your grades, your athletics, and your maturity?  That is the pitch they are selling.  And that offer is now being blurred, as almost universally, prep school kids "reclassify" rather than PG, so they look better on tape as 17 year old sophomores playing against 15 yo's.   That trend has run its course in some leagues, now, as everyone is reclassified and everyone is slightly above average in the Lake Woebegone leagues.

JEFFFAN


Had a bit of experience with this in a different sport with one of our sons.   I would guess that 80% - 90% of athletes that take a PG year have been offered a spot at an Ivy League or NESCAC or Patriot League school (in that order) on the condition that the student-athlete take a PG year first.  Those kids have quote committed unquote to Brown or Harvard or (name that strong academic school) and are going to Kent as a condition of entrance.  The 80%-90% numbers are about right.   We had one child who received exactly what I am saying (go to Lawrenceville for a year and then you are in at Princeton) and one child who we looked at for a PG year unrelated to athletics (although he did have a very good D3 career in the Centennial Conference) but had little PG interest because the athletic spots had already been filled by the prep school.

nescac1

Based on what JEFFFAN is saying, I don't think anyone can say that taking a post-grad year provides the same path as someone applying normally.  By definition, saying "you will not get in this year, but WILL (or will very likely) get in if you take a post-grad year" is a radically different admissions path.  I don't see how else that could possibly be interpreted.  There is a reason family are willing to pay an extra 50-60 grand in tuition, or whatever it is for those who don't get financial aid, to do this sort of thing.  And it's not just to oh-so-marginally improve their kids' chances in the hopes that they will better their SATs or their GPAs. 

Nescacman

2017 NESCAC Weekly Power Rankings-Week #5

Some thoughts on week 5....sorry for the delay...sometimes work (and the Yankees) get in our way...

1.   Let's start with ...Colby, Colby Colby (again)...proving our point that this is one of the worst offenses we have ever seen in the NESCAC...4 TDs in 5 games (last in the 'CAC and 3rd to last in the country averaging 5.4 points per game)...averaging just 184.2 YPG of total offense (last in the 'CAC and 241st out of 243 D3 Teams in the country)...Last in the league with 65 first downs (238th in the country)...averaging 3.3 yards per attempt on passes and 1.9 yards per carry rushing...last in the league converting only 23% on 3rd down...last in red zone conversion % at 40%.... 
2.   Are the Ephs the NESCAC version of 2017 "Baby Bomber" Yankees? We won't quite go that far yet...we think their win over MID was a combo of MID taking the young Ephs lightly, MID looking past the Ephs to their week 7 match-up with Hartford State and very poor play calling by MID OC Caputi basically taking their best weapon, Jared "Fawn's Lil Bro" Lebowitz out of the game. Did Coach Dave think he was back in Brunswick losing to Amhurst by 40???
3.   Speaking of the Ephs, former HCOF Kelton is 0-7 at Shorter...
4.   As predicted, Hartford State had their hands with the Jumbo's...we are still not sold on the Bants and could see them losing as many as 2 of their last 3 games and ending up out of the league title discussion....
5.   It was mentioned that Lebowitz was the best player in the NESCAC....frankly, we are not even sure he is the best QB in the NESCAC...consider this: WES QB Piccirillo leads the league in passing YPG, completion % (at a crazy 72%), is third in passing efficiency, second in TD passes, and 8th in rushing yards....meanwhile, WES WR Breuler is making his case for offensive POTY as he leads the league in every receiving category, is second in all-purpose yardage and leads the NATION in receptions per game and receiving yards per game...
6.   We went 4-1 last week and stand at 21-4 for the year....
7.   The C-B-B is 0-15 on the year headed towards 0-18...
8.   Bates may actually be worse than Colby...as bad as Colby is on offense, Bates is just that bad on D allowing 43 points per game, 225th best in the country...
9.   Speaking of Bates, we heard a guest commentator on the webcast (we think he said he was a former player) comment on the predictability of the Bates offense...we could not agree more...run, run, pass...run, run, pass...repeat (hopefully)....that is just not going to work....
10.   Congrats to our friend Coach Bagnoli as the Columbia Lions upset Penn in OT to go 5-0 to start a season for the first time since 1996...and they broke their 20 game losing streak to Penn...

1. Hartford State (5-0; Last Week-1): Tufts gave them all they could handle...HS finishes the year with MID, the former LJs and WES....not an easy task...this week they have their last pillow fight before the fun starts...
This week:  Bowdoin in Hartford

2 (tie). Amhurst (4-1; LW-3): Big week as they face WES in what will essentially be an elimination game for the loser...tons on the line here...winner has a shot at the NESCAC title....Little 3 hangs in the balance...will be our GOTW in front of a large homecoming crowd in Amhurst...
This week: Wesleyan in Amhurst

2 (Tie). Wesleyan (4-1; LW-3):  See 2 above....Wes has not played a complete game this year and has still managed to be right in the mix...WES has been a second half team all year outscoring their opponents 99-17 in the second half...if and when they do put together a full game effort...watch out...
This week: at Amhurst

4. Middlebury (4-1; LW-2): Very disappointing loss for MID last week. MID lead 19-7 late in the third. This team should have probably lost to WES and barely beat Amhurst. One-dimensional team (2nd in passing, 8th in rushing) with a mediocre defense that is not great against the run or pass. Throw in the fact that they have not been good in the red zone does not bode well for this Team. At one time, they were thinking about a league title. We think they should adjust their expectations, especially if the 4th quarter play calling continues to be as conservative as its been. Fortunately, they play Bates this week, which should cheer up all Pant supporters.
This week: at Bates

5. Tufts (3-2; LW-5): Tufts gave it their all against Hartford State and fell short. They actually led this game and were tied until the mid 4th quarter. 4 Tufts turnovers, including 3 interceptions by Ryan McDonald was the difference in this one. Time of possession, turnovers and penalties generally win games and Hartford State won the battle of those categories. Should be an interesting match-up this week as Tufts heads to Willytown to play the Ephs.
This week: at Williams

6. Williams (4-1; LW-6): Congrats to the Ephs for beating the equally overrated Pants. Glad to see Coach Raymond turning around this dormant franchise. A winning season is within reach. HCOF Kelton Update: 0-7 and counting for Shorter U....glad to see two other programs the HCOF trashed (Columbia and Williams) on the road to recovery.
This week: Tufts in Williamstown

7. Hamilton (1-4; LW 7):  Good first win for the Conts as they trounced Bowdoin. Kenny Gray had a big day throwing for 3 TDs and running for another. HAM is doing a nice job throwing the ball but they are second to last in the NESCAC in rushing ahead of only Colby. They should get win #2 this week against the Mules.
This week: Colby in Clinton

8. Conn College (0-0; LW-9): Moving to the head of the midget class.
This week: at Bryn Mawr

9. University of Bates (Lewiston Campus) (0-5; LW-8):  Bates actually led WES at the half 23-21 before Wes scored 20 straight points in the second half. This defense give up lots of yards and points and the offense, although they appear to have found a QB in Costa, is predictable and devoid of playmakers. The best that this Team can hope for is that they are good enough to beat the two other "midgets" that make up the C-B-B. Should be another rough one this week as they travel to Vermont.
This week: at Middlebury

10. Colby (0-5; LW-10): Season cannot end soon enough. Won't get any easier this week against Hamilton.
This week: at Hamilton

11. Bowdoin (0-5; LW-11): 2nd to last in total offense. Last in total defense. Very tough game for them this week against Hartford State. Could be very ugly.
This week: at Hartford State


Nescacman

Quote from: Hamiltonian on October 18, 2017, 10:36:14 AM
Honestly, ColbyF, you guys have had a brutal schedule.  You really don't know yet what your team is capable of against more balanced opposition.  This week's game may look very different than the one's you've seen so far.  Who knew Hamilton could run the ball before last week?

The Conts are just plain better than Colby and we give the Mules a very low probability of winning this game, especially on the road where they have been outscored 113-13. The Conts have 4 playmakers and I would be hard pressed to name 1 for the Mules. Gray is the real deal and O'Brien, well let's just say he's not good. Conts by at least 2 TDs...we'll give an exact score on Friday.

nescac1

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Nescacman, regarding Lebowitz, the reason I said he is the best player in the league over Piccirillo is, look at the talent around each of them.  Piccirillo is, as you note, throwing to by far the best receiver in the league, who is himself a POY candidate (each help each other's stats out, but there is no doubt that if Lebowitz had Breuler to throw to it would help him).  Midd's top TB has been out almost all season.  Midd's top WR has missed a good chunk of time now as well.  Despite that fact, Lebowitz has a dramatically better TD-INT ratio (16-2 vs. 15-7).  I think if you trade the two of them, Wesleyan is probably undefeated, while Midd has two losses instead of one.  Both are having historically good years.  Those two, plus Breuler, McDonald, and Chipouras, are all worthy of offensive POY and most would win it in an average NESCAC season, I suspect.  But Lebowitz to me has to be the POY so far in a VERY tight vote over the other four contenders. 

As for "hyped and overrated" Williams, they've beaten your spreads so far this year by 7, 24, 30, 27, and 22 points.  Perhaps your handle on the Ephs isn't quite as solid as you suspect?  Sure, the Maine teams are having rough years, but Williams went toe-to-toe with two NESCAC powers and in each game showed they belong.  They got some good luck vs. Middlebury and some bad luck vs. Trinity, but in neither game were they at all overmatched.  I seriously doubt that Midd was, on a big home weekend, looking past a 3-1 Ephs squad that has always been a key rival.

Now, of course, the Ephs are far from a perfect team and have a long ways to go.  The Ephs could go 0-4 in their last four games.  But I think 2-2 or even 3-1 is certainly well within the realm of possibility.  Alas, one mounting issue for concern is that the offensive injuries have really been piling up.  In the Midd game, they were down their number 2 and number 4 receivers, their starting RG, and after two plays, their top TB (who has been by far their most productive runner this year).  The projected number two TB also hasn't played all season.  That is a pretty tough spate of injuries on one side of the ball for any team, but the Ephs, with the smallest, youngest roster in the league and very little depth at several of those positions, can ill afford to lose ANY more guys to injury.  They've played basically six linemen all year so now they are down to five healthy guys with experience.  And while WR Morrison has been a revelation on the fly sweep, he isn't the sort of receiving threat that the guy he replaced in the lineup was.  Harris is the biggest concern, though.  If he continues to be out, it puts a lot of pressure on frosh TJ "Not DJ" Dozier to step up in a big way.

Hopefully a few of those guys will come back at some point this year, but right now, kudos to Maimaron and the coaching staff for adjusting and holding it together despite a revolving door of new faces -- mostly frosh -- at the skill positions.  And speaking of Maimaron, if the game is within striking distance, so long as he is on the field, the Ephs will feel like they have a chance to win.  That type of confidence in your on-field leader goes a long way.  This week, Maimaron vs. McDonald should be a really fun match-up of two great true dual-threat guys.  Both take a lot of hits given their style of play, so staying healthy will be paramount.   

PolarCat

Quote from: TheFlock on October 18, 2017, 07:43:10 AM
Trinity cleared their bench BEFORE the second half. 

Don't you just hate it when you make a dumazz statement and someone actually trots out the facts to prove you wrong?  Trinity did NOT "clear their bench".  According to the Participation report on Trinity's own website, TWENTY-SEVEN Bants did not see action, including the Senior Rookie and at least one of the other kids who posed for the photo in front of the scoreboard.  http://www.bantamsports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/boxscores/20170923_1060.xml?view=participation

Quote from: TheFlock on October 18, 2017, 07:43:10 AM
The final 30 minutes of football were a perfect time for Trinity to play a "JV Game"

Classy comment.  You fit right in with the rest of the program.

Quote from: TheFlock on October 18, 2017, 07:43:10 AM
Since Polarcat mentions the word dillusional, ....  Quite frankly, whoever stated the pass  into the endzone to run up the score is "Dillusional".

We were in a bit of a "pickle" over whether or not to let this slide.  But since you are intent on acting like a c*ck (and a tiny, little c*ck at that), we'll state for the record that we hope your son can spell better than you can.  Or at least knows how to use a spell checker.

Pat Coleman

Quote from: PolarCat on October 18, 2017, 03:02:29 PM
Quote from: TheFlock on October 18, 2017, 07:43:10 AM
Trinity cleared their bench BEFORE the second half. 

Don't you just hate it when you make a dumazz statement and someone actually trots out the facts to prove you wrong?  Trinity did NOT "clear their bench".  According to the Participation report on Trinity's own website, TWENTY-SEVEN Bants did not see action, including the Senior Rookie and at least one of the other kids who posed for the photo in front of the scoreboard.  http://www.bantamsports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/boxscores/20170923_1060.xml?view=participation

Never view the participation report in a box score as gospel. Players who don't register stats sometimes are not properly listed as having participated -- especially when you are the road team, such as Trinity was here. This box score doesn't even list Trinity as having started an offensive line, nor does it list those five as having participated. Surely those five, and other offensive linemen did.

What you are trotting out is almost certainly not fact-based either -- you have to be able to read a little more deeply than the surface on this.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

PolarCat

Quote from: 413Local on October 18, 2017, 10:59:06 AM
Or perhaps, come here for a year, and you will be a stronger candidate, because we will offer you a chance to improve your board scores, your grades, your athletics, and your maturity?

My son had at least two PG teammates on his prep school team.  One was the Bants' Senior Rookie.  The other was a QB whose father was convinced he was D1 material, and felt the kid would get offered from Penn State if he did well in his PG year.  (True story).  He didn't become a Nittany Lion, but his story has a very happy ending.  In his PG year, he decided to join the drama club's musical production, and discovered he LOVED acting - and was damn good at it as well. 

Instead of playing ball in Happy Valley, he is at the California Institute of the Arts, living in West Hollywood, and by all accounts thriving and loving life.  Part of this particular prep school's "pitch" is that they encourage kids to get out of their comfort zone, try new things, and maybe find a passion in life that had eluded you.  In this particular case, it worked.

Pat Coleman

Further, given the lack of attentiveness on the part of the stat crew for starting and backup offensive linemen, isn't it probable that not all of the people who played on special teams were listed either?
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

PolarCat

Pat, it's TRINITY's website.  I posted the link.  If the Bants' parents were so thrilled to see their 4th string kids in the "JV game", don't you think TRINITY would have corrected it?

Or do you believe the poppycock that a QB, whether 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 51st string, threw a TD against the coach's direction?

BantamMom

Quote from: PolarCat on October 18, 2017, 03:02:29 PM
Quote from: TheFlock on October 18, 2017, 07:43:10 AM
Trinity cleared their bench BEFORE the second half. 

Don't you just hate it when you make a dumazz statement and someone actually trots out the facts to prove you wrong?  Trinity did NOT "clear their bench".  According to the Participation report on Trinity's own website, TWENTY-SEVEN Bants did not see action, including the Senior Rookie and at least one of the other kids who posed for the photo in front of the scoreboard.  http://www.bantamsports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/boxscores/20170923_1060.xml?view=participation

Quote from: TheFlock on October 18, 2017, 07:43:10 AM
The final 30 minutes of football were a perfect time for Trinity to play a "JV Game"

Classy comment.  You fit right in with the rest of the program.

Quote from: TheFlock on October 18, 2017, 07:43:10 AM
Since Polarcat mentions the word dillusional, ....  Quite frankly, whoever stated the pass  into the endzone to run up the score is "Dillusional".

We were in a bit of a "pickle" over whether or not to let this slide.  But since you are intent on acting like a c*ck (and a tiny, little c*ck at that), we'll state for the record that we hope your son can spell better than you can.  Or at least knows how to use a spell checker.

The use of  "Hartford State" instead of Trinity has always gone up my arse sideways but I keep my mouth shut and let the bullys do what bullys do.   But ...pointing out that calling a 51-0 game was "JV" was a "Classy Comment" (while I agree it could have been posed in a less hurtful manner) and in the next breath  delivering your cock comment (including a comment on the size "tiny, little" of said cock) is a little ironic don't you think?  Some people might even say that you are acting like a big di#k  ;-)