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theoriginalupstate

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
I've heard that high school football is declining in popularity in many parts of the country; could that be a factor in the east? 

Really?? I think it's the opposite. But I have no data to back that up...

My impression (also no data) is that Ron is correct - the rise of soccer and lacrosse (and continued rise of basketball, not to mention the possible decline in sports, period, due to video games) makes me think football is simply not the 'religion' it was 20-30 years ago (in at least many places).

That and the fact that football is too tough of a sport for the sissies that society is breeding today...

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Upstate on October 29, 2010, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
I've heard that high school football is declining in popularity in many parts of the country; could that be a factor in the east? 

Really?? I think it's the opposite. But I have no data to back that up...

My impression (also no data) is that Ron is correct - the rise of soccer and lacrosse (and continued rise of basketball, not to mention the possible decline in sports, period, due to video games) makes me think football is simply not the 'religion' it was 20-30 years ago (in at least many places).

That and the fact that football is too tough of a sport for the sissies that society is breeding today...

You think lacrosse is a sissy sport??!!

My older son was the only real offensive threat on his high school team.  In the first 30 seconds of the first round of the playoffs (against a team he had scored 5 goals against), an opposing player broke his stick against the side of my son's knee.  It worked - David didn't score, and their team won.

Lacrosse can be a vicious game - I'm grateful David is now only playing (and coaching) soccer! ;D

BTW, soccer has more serious injuries per year than football.  Those football 'sissies' have far more padding than soccer or lacrosse! :P

pg04

I think you'll just have to get used to the fact that some football players will never consider any other sport as tough as football  :P

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: pg04 on October 29, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
I think you'll just have to get used to the fact that some football players will never consider any other sport as tough as football  :P

Yeah, you're right.

Hard to get through to those over-padded sissies! ;D

Geez, my karma is going DOWN! :P

theoriginalupstate

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 29, 2010, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
I've heard that high school football is declining in popularity in many parts of the country; could that be a factor in the east? 

Really?? I think it's the opposite. But I have no data to back that up...

My impression (also no data) is that Ron is correct - the rise of soccer and lacrosse (and continued rise of basketball, not to mention the possible decline in sports, period, due to video games) makes me think football is simply not the 'religion' it was 20-30 years ago (in at least many places).

That and the fact that football is too tough of a sport for the sissies that society is breeding today...

You think lacrosse is a sissy sport??!!

My older son was the only real offensive threat on his high school team.  In the first 30 seconds of the first round of the playoffs (against a team he had scored 5 goals against), an opposing player broke his stick against the side of my son's knee.  It worked - David didn't score, and their team won.

Lacrosse can be a vicious game - I'm grateful David is now only playing (and coaching) soccer! ;D

BTW, soccer has more serious injuries per year than football.  Those football 'sissies' have far more padding than soccer or lacrosse! :P

nonononono

Didn't mean that at all.  I have a ton of respect for LAX players, they're extremely tough.  Hell SJF's best WR is a standout LAX player.

I was talking about sissies period.  Kids don't want to work for anything today, when they're pushed they usually just quit. 

In no way was I trying to make one sport seem tougher than another!

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Upstate on October 29, 2010, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 29, 2010, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
I've heard that high school football is declining in popularity in many parts of the country; could that be a factor in the east? 

Really?? I think it's the opposite. But I have no data to back that up...

My impression (also no data) is that Ron is correct - the rise of soccer and lacrosse (and continued rise of basketball, not to mention the possible decline in sports, period, due to video games) makes me think football is simply not the 'religion' it was 20-30 years ago (in at least many places).

That and the fact that football is too tough of a sport for the sissies that society is breeding today...

You think lacrosse is a sissy sport??!!

My older son was the only real offensive threat on his high school team.  In the first 30 seconds of the first round of the playoffs (against a team he had scored 5 goals against), an opposing player broke his stick against the side of my son's knee.  It worked - David didn't score, and their team won.

Lacrosse can be a vicious game - I'm grateful David is now only playing (and coaching) soccer! ;D

BTW, soccer has more serious injuries per year than football.  Those football 'sissies' have far more padding than soccer or lacrosse! :P

nonononono

Didn't mean that at all.  I have a ton of respect for LAX players, they're extremely tough.  Hell SJF's best WR is a standout LAX player.

I was talking about sissies period.  Kids don't want to work for anything today, when they're pushed they usually just quit. 

In no way was I trying to make one sport seem tougher than another!

OK, we're on the same page.

By far the best soccer player in Ypsilanti (at age ten) was my son's best friend across the street (I was their coach).  Alas, he got his growth VERY late (to his great humiliation, his 'baby' sister, 2 years younger, was TALLER than him for a couple of years!)  To his credit, he stuck it out in soccer, but he never even made varsity in hs.  After being 5'6" as a hs junior, he is now 6'4", but has gotten addicted to video games - his potential was never even tested.

OK, that was a boring diversion! ;D  My point was that, yes, video gaming has sapped some of the skills/talents out of the current generation.  Whether or not the remaining potential players will be just as good as ever remains to be seen.

Games are games, and each have their skill set.  Jim Brown (arguably the greatest player in NFL history) much preferred lacrosse to football, but recognized where the money was! :D

frank uible

My clam digger is bigger than your clam digger!

HScoach

Hmmm, where I'm from, having a big clam is not a good thing.

But to each his own.  Proves that there truly someone for everyone.
I find easily offended people rather offensive!

Statistics are like bikinis; what they reveal is interesting, what they hide is essential.

altor

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Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
I've heard that high school football is declining in popularity in many parts of the country; could that be a factor in the east?  

Really?? I think it's the opposite. But I have no data to back that up...

My impression (also no data) is that Ron is correct - the rise of soccer and lacrosse (and continued rise of basketball, not to mention the possible decline in sports, period, due to video games) makes me think football is simply not the 'religion' it was 20-30 years ago (in at least many places).
Boys 11-man Football Participation Statistics From the NFHS
YearSchoolsStudents
2009-2010142261109278
2008-2009141051112303
2007-2008139871108286
2006-2007139221104548
2005-2006137271071775
2004-2005136711045494
2003-2004136801032682
2002-2003136421023142

CardinalAlum

Quote from: HScoach on October 30, 2010, 08:22:50 AM
Hmmm, where I'm from, having a big clam is not a good thing.

But to each his own.  Proves that there truly someone for everyone.

This made me bust out laughing!!  +K
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theoriginalupstate

Quote from: altor on October 30, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
Boys 11-man Football Participation Statistics From the NFHS
YearSchoolsStudents
2009-2010142261109278
2008-2009141051112303
2007-2008139871108286
2006-2007139221104548
2005-2006137271071775
2004-2005136711045494
2003-2004136801032682
2002-2003136421023142

Is the male student population going up as well or is staying the same?


Ron Boerger

Quote from: Upstate on October 31, 2010, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: altor on October 30, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
Boys 11-man Football Participation Statistics From the NFHS
YearSchoolsStudents
2009-2010142261109278
2008-2009141051112303
2007-2008139871108286
2006-2007139221104548
2005-2006137271071775
2004-2005136711045494
2003-2004136801032682
2002-2003136421023142

Is the male student population going up as well or is staying the same?



And, in addition, these are peanut butter stats.  My specific assertion (as of yet unproven with quantitative fact) is that in certain parts of the country (such as the east), football is declining in popularity at the HS level.  The above numbers do not disprove that assertion.    I did say 'many' when perhaps 'some' would have been a more proper qualifier. 

If I'm wrong, I'll be happy to be proven incorrect, but know I've seen programs bemoaning the state of high school football in certain parts of the country.   

altor

#1962
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2010, 08:05:02 PM
And, in addition, these are peanut butter stats.  My specific assertion (as of yet unproven with quantitative fact) is that in certain parts of the country (such as the east), football is declining in popularity at the HS level.

I'm not sure what "peanut butter stats" are.
Here is the NFHS page on participation statistics so you can look for yourself.

In my quick searches from Maine to Maryland, only Vermont had fewer sponsoring schools and fewer participants in 2009-2010 than they did in 2002-2003.  Also, New Jersey had fewer schools, but more participants during that span.  The other nine states all showed increased participation in both categories.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: altor on November 02, 2010, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2010, 08:05:02 PM
And, in addition, these are peanut butter stats.  My specific assertion (as of yet unproven with quantitative fact) is that in certain parts of the country (such as the east), football is declining in popularity at the HS level.

I'm not sure what "peanut butter stats" are.
Here is the NFHS page on participation statistics so you can look for yourself.

In my quick searches from Maine to Maryland, only Vermont had fewer sponsoring schools and fewer participants in 2009-2010 than they did in 2002-2003.  Also, New Jersey had fewer schools, but more participants during that span.  The other nine states all showed increased participation in both categories.
Thanks.

I know that it took more time and extra effort, but the precision and extra content of your post helps us understand the nature of the topic being discussed.

+1!

altor

Actually Ralph,
It took more time to search, copy, and put those numbers into that table (that still looked awful) in my first post.  I should have just put the link in that post so they could search for whatever data they wanted.  I don't know why I didn't, I usually do.