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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1605 on: October 13, 2021, 09:06:26 pm »
The ASC only had one OOC opening this year b/c Austin joined.  When Southwestern leaves for the SAA (next year?) that will give both the SAA and ASC two OOCs which should make scheduling easier.   Crimeny, Trinity getting Macalester to come down all the way from MN shows what a mess scheduling was this year.

One of the proposals being bandied about in the NCAA councils would reduce the number of schools required for a pool A from 7 to 6.   You wonder if this might help some schools decide their current megaconferences are worth leaving for better opportunities with new conferences (like the SAA did).  Or get the SCAC to try again to sponsor football, though I think that ship has sailed. 

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1606 on: October 13, 2021, 09:27:20 pm »
Id like to see D3 go to an 11 game schedule so we could see more OOC games.  Most years we only have 2 OOC games, and one is always Huntingdon being our in state rival.  Its hard to get a judge on some of these teams when you play so few OOC games and they are usually the first 2 games of the season.

That's a function of conference size inflation. First to at least the AQ bid minimum, and then higher to simplify scheduling. Try being the ODAC and scheduling a pile of OOC games. That's why NNA is on the schedule for so many. Even you guys scheduled that non-D3 in Arkansas this year. I'm guessing that was not a "want to" but rather an... "oh crud we need another game" moment.

Yeah, we were supposed to have a game scheduled in Virginia against someone, but it fell through and we added ABC in August.  They are an NAIA school, but first year and very underfunded.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1607 on: October 13, 2021, 11:03:01 pm »
The ASC only had one OOC opening this year b/c Austin joined.  When Southwestern leaves for the SAA (next year?) that will give both the SAA and ASC two OOCs which should make scheduling easier.   Crimeny, Trinity getting Macalester to come down all the way from MN shows what a mess scheduling was this year.

One of the proposals being bandied about in the NCAA councils would reduce the number of schools required for a pool A from 7 to 6.   You wonder if this might help some schools decide their current megaconferences are worth leaving for better opportunities with new conferences (like the SAA did).  Or get the SCAC to try again to sponsor football, though I think that ship has sailed.
If the ratio of schools in D3 to bids allocated per sport is 6.5:1 (or restricted to 32 teams in football), and the number of teams in a conference to earn a bid is 6, then you have eliminated Pool C.

I strongly disagree with the proposal.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1608 on: October 14, 2021, 09:29:45 am »
Maybe the conferences should encourage at least one OOC game be out of region.  That way we have an option to improve our standing nationally and getting a pool C team more possible.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1609 on: October 14, 2021, 09:43:56 am »
Maybe the conferences should encourage at least one OOC game be out of region.  That way we have an option to improve our standing nationally and getting a pool C team more possible.

Region doesn't really mean anything anymore. It's almost impossible to play a game that doesn't count as in-region in football. But if you just mean other than Region 3 teams, I think that's just very arbitrary. W&L played CNU and Sewanee. One is a long way away, one is fairly close, guess which one is in region? W&L losing to CNU week 1, the Generals first game in almost 700 days, on the road, on a last second touchdown, is going to kill the Generals should they make the tournament.

The problem is, there just aren't enough games to really know who is better than who. With the nature of football, there never will be, especially in a division with 240 or so teams.

The AQ system solves 90% or more of the problem. Win your conference and you get to go to the postseason. I know we get all riled up over who should be the Pool C invites, but I just don't care. If you don't want to be biting your knuckles... win your conference. Then it doesn't matter who you played OOC, what your SOS is, how many results against RROs you have, how you compare to other regions, whether your region or conference is considered strong or weak. None of it matters. You are in.

You may be going someplace unpleasant, as I suspect my Generals will be IF they win out since CNU can't seem to win another game, our traditional rival Sewanee probably won't win a game, and Apprentice doesn't count for anything. But that's the breaks. Conference hardware is still hardware.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1610 on: October 14, 2021, 01:15:48 pm »
The ASC is back in Region 3 so I would hope y'all would include them in the poll starting next week.

Edit:  and the PAC is gone to Region 2 so no more W&J, etc.

https://d3football.com/notables/2021/10/region-shift
« Last Edit: October 14, 2021, 01:18:21 pm by Ron Boerger »

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1611 on: October 14, 2021, 01:18:53 pm »
I guess we will have to. Though that definitely screws up some consistency. Need to think a bit on it.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1612 on: October 14, 2021, 01:23:24 pm »
I guess we will have to. Though that definitely screws up some consistency. Need to think a bit on it.

You might have to find an ASC pollster if the PAC pollster(s) lose interest.  If you get desperate I'll step in but I'm sure you can get one of them since they haven't had a poll all season. 

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1613 on: October 14, 2021, 01:37:58 pm »
I guess we will have to. Though that definitely screws up some consistency. Need to think a bit on it.

You might have to find an ASC pollster if the PAC pollster(s) lose interest.  If you get desperate I'll step in but I'm sure you can get one of them since they haven't had a poll all season.

I think I'm most annoyed because I won't be able to keep beating the drum for Grove City as the second best team in the PAC...

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1614 on: October 14, 2021, 02:50:25 pm »
When did they make this switch and why???

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1615 on: October 14, 2021, 03:05:48 pm »
When did they make this switch and why???

Today. And I suspect because Region 6 was ludicrously stacked with top teams and conferences.

https://d3football.com/notables/2021/10/region-shift

Modifying this post because I couldn't count after I ran out of my fingers and toes.
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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1616 on: October 14, 2021, 04:52:06 pm »
The ASC is going to be a hard conference to measure because they only play one OOC game.  Their top two teams have wins over teams with 1 win and their second has a win over a terrible NAIA team.  Could get interesting.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1617 on: October 14, 2021, 05:07:10 pm »
The ASC is going to be a hard conference to measure because they only play one OOC game.  Their top two teams have wins over teams with 1 win and their second has a win over a terrible NAIA team.  Could get interesting.

That is fair but the OOC games of those in poll already don't have a ton of winning records either. In looking at Trinity, BSC, W&L, RMC AND Centre, they have played 3 teams out of conference with winning records combined.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1618 on: October 14, 2021, 05:24:55 pm »
The ASC is going to be a hard conference to measure because they only play one OOC game.  Their top two teams have wins over teams with 1 win and their second has a win over a terrible NAIA team.  Could get interesting.

That is fair but the OOC games of those in poll already don't have a ton of winning records either. In looking at Trinity, BSC, W&L, RMC AND Centre, they have played 3 teams out of conference with winning records combined.

Trinity has to win the conference AQ, their OOC is terrible (1-win MacAlester and TLU, neither of which are likely to win more than another game or two, if that, the way they've started the season).

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1619 on: October 14, 2021, 07:12:50 pm »
ONLY the NCAA could make a move like this, IN SEASON...
The 'AA needs to get back to their meetings...
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