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SuperSub15

Greg,

Did you get a chance to watch last nights game NPU vs Carthage.

Thoughts?

Dark Knight

Quote from: tjcummingsfan on October 11, 2016, 11:10:42 PM
Any good reason Calvin is ranked in the Top 25 Nationally, but behind NP in the regional poll?

These rankings are generated by totally different procedures, with different aims. The regional ranking approximates the method used to rank teams for the NCAA tournament, and it uses an RPI-like formula that any statistician will tell you is a poor method of ranking teams if you are actually trying to find the best ones. The NCAA then makes it worse by throwing in the regional monkey wrench.

The NSCAA and d3soccer.com rankings are polls, so knowledgeable people vote to rank teams. In my opinion these polls do a much better job than the NCAA's system, though not quite as good as a computerized ranking system like Massey.

Flying Weasel

Quote from: Dark Knight on October 14, 2016, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: tjcummingsfan on October 11, 2016, 11:10:42 PM
Any good reason Calvin is ranked in the Top 25 Nationally, but behind NP in the regional poll?

These rankings are generated by totally different procedures, with different aims. The regional ranking approximates the method used to rank teams for the NCAA tournament, and it uses an RPI-like formula that any statistician will tell you is a poor method of ranking teams if you are actually trying to find the best ones. The NCAA then makes it worse by throwing in the regional monkey wrench.

The NSCAA and d3soccer.com rankings are polls, so knowledgeable people vote to rank teams. In my opinion these polls do a much better job than the NCAA's system, though not quite as good as a computerized ranking system like Massey.


He was comparing the NSCAA Regional Poll with the NSCAA National Poll.  He wasn't talking about the NCAA Regional Rankings (in which their SOS calculation is one of several criteria) which haven't even started yet for this season.  So, no, the oddity and apparent contradiction of the NSCAA ranking North Park ahead of Calvin in their regional poll and the NSCAA ranking Calvin ahead of North Park in their national poll has nothing to do with different procedures and different aims.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: SuperSub15 on October 13, 2016, 09:42:58 AM
Greg,

Did you get a chance to watch last nights game NPU vs Carthage.

Thoughts?

Yeah, I was the broadcaster.

Carthage's go-for-broke style certainly makes for exciting soccer, and it's an approach will definitely come back to bite the Red Men in the butt sooner or later. But their air attack is tremendous, not just in terms of how well they place long balls right on the attacker but in how well they can loft 10-to-15-yard passes on the dead run with terrific precision over the heads of defenders.

The Red Men apparently count upon slowing down counters with a lot of physicality and tackling, which explains why NPU had a big advantage in corners and free kicks. The Vikings had all kinds of chances in set pieces, but they simply weren't able to connect with their air specialists Mattias Warp and Gustav Leander.

You can't let up your guard against the Red Men for the blink of an eye, because they're on you that quick in the forward end. But a mentally disciplined side that can convert set pieces that come out of counters can beat the Red Men. I'm hoping that NPU will get that chance in the CCIW tourney final; the problem, of course, is that Carthage will have earned the right to host it.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

SuperSub15

Going to be an interesting week and a half heading into the CCIW Tournament!

matblake

#890
Here's a follow up from the Daily Herald regarding the death of Ethan Roser at Wheaton
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170423/family-wheaton-college-community-lean-on-faith-after-studentx2019s-death

tjcummingsfan

Wow, it was sad to have to head to the second page of Men's Soccer to get here, and to see a warning above that this topic has not been posted in for over 120 days. 

The 2017 CCIW Poll is out. http://www.cciw.org/news/2017/8/9/carthage-picked-to-defend-cciw-mens-soccer-title-in-2017.aspx 

1. Carthage 61 (6)
2. Wheaton 57 (2)
3. North Park 51 (1)
4. Elmhurst 38
5. Illinois Wesleyan 34
6. North Central 28
7. Millikin 22
8. Carroll 18
9. Augustana 14

Gotberg

North Park's season preview and roster is posted:

http://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2017/8/30/2017-mens-soccer-team-preview.aspx

Of course, the roster doesn't help much without bios / foreigners, but it does look like they lost their top scorer for last year 
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best

Gotberg

Quote from: Gotberg on August 31, 2017, 09:08:13 AM
North Park's season preview and roster is posted:

http://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2017/8/30/2017-mens-soccer-team-preview.aspx

Of course, the roster doesn't help much without bios / foreigners, but it does look like they lost their top scorer for last year

I had a chance to watch the NPU game last against Benedictine.  I don't know how much value to place on preseason rankings, but if Benedictine is a true #14 then wow, NPU has a chance to be fantastic this year.  I wasn't just the 3-0 score line, but the total domination of possession, etc.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best

Gregory Sager

North Park dominated Wheaton tonight out in the western suburbs, 2-0. The Vikings had the run of play throughout, outshooting WC 13-5, while putting eight shots on frame to Wheaton's two. NPU (8-1, 3-0) has now won seven in a row, while Wheaton (4-6, 0-1) seems to be off this year. The two rivals seem to have traded places from a couple of years ago when Wheaton had the upper hand.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Gregory Sager

North Central shocked Carthage tonight with a golden goal in the 103rd minute to win at Keller Field up in Kenosha, 1-0, in spite of the fact that the Red Men outshot the Cardinals by a whopping 24-7 margin and put seven shots on goal to NCC's four. It was the first CCIW match of the season for both sides. Carthage now slides to a surprisingly ordinary 5-5-1 on the season.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

4samuy

Yes Greg.  Been watching NPU from afar and watched the game tonight and came away pretty impressed.  Other than the hiccup against Whitworth early on, the two region wins against Dominican and Benedictine were solid and I would think they may move up to #3 in the region behind Chicago and Calvin after the WashU loss at Emory.  They seem, at this point to be the class of the CCIW.  It will be fun to watch that mid October non conference clash with Chicago sandwiched within the CCIW slate.

Gregory Sager

Yeah, I've definitely got that match down in Hyde Park circled on my calendar.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

LM3

I have seen North Park once live (v BenU) and once on Vid (v Dominican) and am pretty impressed. Whitworth was no slouch, but being their 3rd game in 4 days -- that was a surprise...it happens.

Gregory Sager

The Vikings actually weren't at full strength when you saw them. Three of their projected starters (Jason Gonzalez, Erland Kemkers, and Marrion Alvaro) were out for NPU's first couple of games. Gonzalez came back for the third game (Dominican), Kemkers came back for the fourth game (Roosevelt), and Alvaro came back for the fifth game (St. Mary's MN), although Gonzalez has been the only one who's moved back into the starting lineup; the other two are still coming off of the bench.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell