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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Ain't my Battling Bishops who also are not living up to their battling moniker. :)
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Gregory Sager

I know. I'm just yanking your chain, a la OOJC, with regard to your gushing praises of OWU this season. ;)
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Onward on, John Carroll

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2018, 04:27:54 PM
I know. I'm just yanking your chain, a la OOJC, with regard to your gushing praises of OWU this season. ;)

It's fun- I have to admit.  :D

fantastic50

OWU falls behind Wittenberg 29-10 before the Bishops make a 24-4 run, and end up taking a 38-37 lead into the locker room.

fantastic50

Ohio Wesleyan 85, #5 Wittenberg 80 (Final)

Also in the Great Lakes, #16 Wooster is trying to come back from a 15-point deficit against Kenyon.

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: fantastic50 on February 14, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
Ohio Wesleyan 85, #5 Wittenberg 80 (Final)

Also in the Great Lakes, #16 Wooster is trying to come back from a 15-point deficit against Kenyon.

Congrats to d-mac, who still has a man-crush on OWU, and wanted to drop Witt much further after their loss to Hiram than he ended up doing! 8-)

fantastic50

Kenyon (7-17, 4-13 NCAC) shoots the lights out from 3 and nearly ends a 50-game losing streak to #16 Wooster.  Down 15 in the middle of the second half, the Scots (20-4, 14-3) rally to win, 81-79, and claim their 22nd consecutive 20-win season.  Saturday night's Wooster-Wittenberg game will decide the top seed in the NCAC tournament.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: fantastic50 on February 14, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
Kenyon (7-17, 4-13 NCAC) shoots the lights out from 3 and nearly ends a 50-game losing streak to #16 Wooster.  Down 15 in the middle of the second half, the Scots (20-4, 14-3) rally to win, 81-79, and claim their 22nd consecutive 20-win season.  Saturday night's Wooster-Wittenberg game will decide the top seed in the NCAC tournament.
50-game losing streak?  Wow! What is that?  The Bush-41 Administration?

fantastic50

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2018, 09:57:22 PM
Quote from: fantastic50 on February 14, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
Kenyon (7-17, 4-13 NCAC) shoots the lights out from 3 and nearly ends a 50-game losing streak to #16 Wooster.  Down 15 in the middle of the second half, the Scots (20-4, 14-3) rally to win, 81-79, and claim their 22nd consecutive 20-win season.  Saturday night's Wooster-Wittenberg game will decide the top seed in the NCAC tournament.
50-game losing streak?  Wow! What is that?  The Bush-41 Administration?

Not quite that old, but close... Kenyon ousted Wooster from the 1995 NCAA tournament, and that was the last time they beat the Scots. Steve Moore's teams have long been known for focus and preparation, and (if I recall) also hold lengthy active streaks vs Oberlin (nearly ended in this year's opener) and Allegheny. Hiram ended theirs two years ago (and then beat the Scots again the next season.)

As an aside, Wooster had an 80+ game baseball winning streak against Oberlin, before it was broken earlier this decade.

Smitty Oom

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 14, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: fantastic50 on February 14, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
Ohio Wesleyan 85, #5 Wittenberg 80 (Final)

Also in the Great Lakes, #16 Wooster is trying to come back from a 15-point deficit against Kenyon.

Congrats to d-mac, who still has a man-crush on OWU, and wanted to drop Witt much further after their loss to Hiram than he ended up doing! 8-)

Yup, seems that Dave might have been on to something! Obviously you aren't rooting for a team to lose but you said it yourself, it may have been a slight opening of the flood gates...



I still think as a whole we have been too hard on top tier teams taking losses and not enjoying the raise of the D3 middle class teams as much as we should have this year, but I digress...

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1625Whitman23-002/16 vs. Willamette; 02/17 vs. Linfield
#2600Washington U.20-202/16 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/18 vs. Carnegie Mellon
#3546St. John's22-2won at Gustavus Adolphus, 78-73; 02/17 at St. Thomas
#4534Whitworth20-302/16 vs. Linfield; 02/17 vs. Willamette
#5526Wittenberg22-2LOST at Ohio Wesleyan, 80-85; 02/17 vs. #16 Wooster
#6525UW-Platteville21-3def. T#32 UW-Whitewater, 70-66; 02/17 vs. T#42 UW-River Falls
#7408Emory18-402/16 vs. New York University; 02/18 vs. Brandeis
#8391York (Pa.)21-3def. St. Mary's (Md.), 81-78; 02/17 at Christopher Newport
#9376Williams19-502/17 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#10362Augustana18-502/17 vs. North Park
#11328Eastern Connecticut21-3won at Western Connecticut, 106-82; 02/17 vs. Southern Maine
#12321Swarthmore20-4def. Haverford, 81-69; 02/17 vs. #24 Franklin and Marshall
#13285Middlebury19-502/17 at #17 Wesleyan
#14266UW-Oshkosh18-6LOST at #19 UW-Stevens Point, 70-77; 02/17 at UW-Stout
#15265Hamilton21-3def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 84-51; 02/17 vs. Tufts
#16211Wooster20-4def. Kenyon, 81-79; 02/17 at #5 Wittenberg
#17206Wesleyan19-502/17 vs. #13 Middlebury
#18155John Carroll20-4def. Heidelberg, 91-78; 02/17 at Capital
#19144UW-Stevens Point17-7def. #14 UW-Oshkosh, 77-70; 02/17 at UW-Eau Claire
#20126Lycoming19-5LOST to Lebanon Valley, 79-82; 02/17 at T#39 Albright
#21120Hobart20-302/16 vs. Vassar; 02/17 vs. Union
#22114Johns Hopkins20-4won at Washington College, 81-63; 02/17 at Haverford
#23105Illinois Wesleyan18-5won at Millikin, 65-56; 02/17 at Carthage
#2494Franklin and Marshall20-4def. Dickinson, 64-57; 02/17 at #12 Swarthmore
#2587Salem State22-3def. Massachusetts College, 91-81


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2663Nichols21-3def. Eastern Nazarene, 93-83; 02/17 vs. Wentworth
#2762MIT19-5won at Clark, 85-42; 02/17 vs. WPI
T#2861Cabrini21-3won at Immaculata, 87-75; 02/17 vs. Clarks Summit
T#2861Plattsburgh State18-402/16 vs. SUNY Oneonta; 02/17 vs. SUNY New Paltz
#3052Marietta19-5won at Muskingum, 107-100 OT; 02/17 at Ohio Northern
#3122St. Olaf18-6LOST at Carleton, 58-72; 02/17 at Concordia-Moorhead
T#3220Amherst16-802/17 vs. Bowdoin
T#3220UW-Whitewater16-8LOST at #6 UW-Platteville, 66-70; 02/17 vs. UW-La Crosse
#3419New Jersey City19-6LOST at Stockton, 66-87; 02/17 vs. William Paterson
#357Sul Ross State18-502/15 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor; 02/17 vs. Concordia (Texas)
#364Emory and Henry18-6LOST to Washington and Lee, 87-92; 02/17 at Eastern Mennonite
T#373Juniata20-4won at Goucher, 82-71; 02/17 vs. Drew
T#373Lehman21-4def. Hunter, 66-52
T#392Albright18-502/17 vs. #20 Lycoming
T#392Keene State16-8LOST at Plymouth State, 75-84 OT; 02/17 at Mass-Dartmouth
T#392Maryville (Tenn.)18-5won at Piedmont, 75-72; 02/17 vs. Huntingdon; 02/18 vs. LaGrange
T#421Randolph-Macon18-6won at Hampden-Sydney, 67-56; 02/17 at Washington and Lee
T#421UW-River Falls16-7def. UW-Eau Claire, 77-61; 02/17 at #6 UW-Platteville

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 14, 2018, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 14, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: fantastic50 on February 14, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
Ohio Wesleyan 85, #5 Wittenberg 80 (Final)

Also in the Great Lakes, #16 Wooster is trying to come back from a 15-point deficit against Kenyon.

Congrats to d-mac, who still has a man-crush on OWU, and wanted to drop Witt much further after their loss to Hiram than he ended up doing! 8-)

Yup, seems that Dave might have been on to something! Obviously you aren't rooting for a team to lose but you said it yourself, it may have been a slight opening of the flood gates...



I still think as a whole we have been too hard on top tier teams taking losses and not enjoying the raise of the D3 middle class teams as much as we should have this year, but I digress...

If I wasn't so sick (had to cancel just my second Goucher game in 23 seasons last night), I'd spend time responding... but yeah, I did smirk a bit when I saw the score last night.

Though, your last thought did make me think... I feel we have been enjoying the rise of the "middle class." We have talked extensively on Hoopsville about just how great parity in the last few years and especially this year... and how much it has made each night fun and "must watch." Sure, I roll my eyes and lament on how challenging the Top 25 is to put together, but I always follow that it is fun to talk about new teams, discuss how great games are, etc.

As for too hard on top teams losing... I think that falls under the "is there a great team in DIII" conversation. I also think it will take us all some time to get used to the fact that maybe the era of "great" teams and being separate from everyone else is gone. This may be the new norm and it has moved higher up the chain than I think we expected. Just going to take time to get used to that and shift the conversation.

Remember, I have said I didn't think any would get through the regular season undefeated. That includes Whitman, though the opportunities for that to happen are now running out.
Host of Hoopsville. USBWA Executive Board member. Broadcast Director for D3sports.com. Broadcaster for NCAA.com & several colleges. PA Announcer for Gophers & Brigade. Follow me on Twitter: @davemchugh or @d3hoopsville.

Onward on, John Carroll

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2018, 12:19:25 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 14, 2018, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 14, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: fantastic50 on February 14, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
Ohio Wesleyan 85, #5 Wittenberg 80 (Final)

Also in the Great Lakes, #16 Wooster is trying to come back from a 15-point deficit against Kenyon.

Congrats to d-mac, who still has a man-crush on OWU, and wanted to drop Witt much further after their loss to Hiram than he ended up doing! 8-)

Yup, seems that Dave might have been on to something! Obviously you aren't rooting for a team to lose but you said it yourself, it may have been a slight opening of the flood gates...



I still think as a whole we have been too hard on top tier teams taking losses and not enjoying the raise of the D3 middle class teams as much as we should have this year, but I digress...

If I wasn't so sick (had to cancel just my second Goucher game in 23 seasons last night), I'd spend time responding... but yeah, I did smirk a bit when I saw the score last night.

Though, your last thought did make me think... I feel we have been enjoying the rise of the "middle class." We have talked extensively on Hoopsville about just how great parity in the last few years and especially this year... and how much it has made each night fun and "must watch." Sure, I roll my eyes and lament on how challenging the Top 25 is to put together, but I always follow that it is fun to talk about new teams, discuss how great games are, etc.

As for too hard on top teams losing... I think that falls under the "is there a great team in DIII" conversation. I also think it will take us all some time to get used to the fact that maybe the era of "great" teams and being separate from everyone else is gone. This may be the new norm and it has moved higher up the chain than I think we expected. Just going to take time to get used to that and shift the conversation.

Remember, I have said I didn't think any would get through the regular season undefeated. That includes Whitman, though the opportunities for that to happen are now running out.

I smirked too, Dave. Maybe they'll win the NCAC tourney and you can really enjoy the ride. 

Smitty Oom

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2018, 12:19:25 PM
Though, your last thought did make me think... I feel we have been enjoying the rise of the "middle class." We have talked extensively on Hoopsville about just how great parity in the last few years and especially this year... and how much it has made each night fun and "must watch." Sure, I roll my eyes and lament on how challenging the Top 25 is to put together, but I always follow that it is fun to talk about new teams, discuss how great games are, etc.

As for too hard on top teams losing... I think that falls under the "is there a great team in DIII" conversation. I also think it will take us all some time to get used to the fact that maybe the era of "great" teams and being separate from everyone else is gone. This may be the new norm and it has moved higher up the chain than I think we expected. Just going to take time to get used to that and shift the conversation.

I think this was very well stated, Dave. And I 100% agree. I personally think that this is great for the entire landscape of d3 hoops. It is fun to have blue bloods like Wooster, Amherst, UWSP, etc but it is also great to get new teams in the national stage and have these talented players getting recognized. It also pushes these great programs to get even better, or they are in danger of getting passed. Long live the parity!

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

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