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Title: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on July 15, 2005, 12:26:15 PM
Big night for Willy Wonka!!!

Opening night for your movie probably ranks up there with the National Championship game against Williams eh?

OneArmedScot™
Title: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on July 15, 2005, 12:33:02 PM
Willy,
Good luck tonight, man.  Perhaps you could represent by putting Johnny Depp's face on your profile!!!

No surprise Y-K would head out of town to recruit...it's harder to catch her cheating, I mean "working in the grey zone," not to mention, she got, virtually, shut-out recruiting in Minnesota this past year, and I'm sure there are only a limited amount of transfers willing to make the move to Hamline, again!!

Hope you all find the Golden Ticket!
Title: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on July 15, 2005, 01:06:45 PM
Weird that this name would come back after all these years to be relevant again. My namesake actually comes from friends who thought I, with my poofy hair of yesteryear, looked similar to Gene Wilder as WW in the original. If I knew how to splice pictures together, I would put that on my profile :-)

However, I have my front row seat reserved at the Red Wing theatre. I am not even going to let a female join me for fear that she might ruin the moment :-)

Oh, and I fouled out against Williams and watched the bitter end from the bench, so the ceiling for tonight is MUCH higher.
Title: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on July 19, 2005, 01:58:33 PM
Willy,

Like if a movie isn't enough I see now you've got a candy bar on the market named after you.  Man....!
Title: MIAC
Post by: east coast miac fan on July 20, 2005, 01:03:14 PM
So, even though it's super early, and you never quite know what the final roster will be when games start up again, do anyone have some very early predictions as far as how teams will finish next year?  We desperately need something to talk about.
Title: MIAC
Post by: Renaissance Coach on July 22, 2005, 11:11:27 AM
Wow--been gone for 5-6 weeks and what happens??? Wht's up with all the chatter about possible rule/ethics infractions??

RC
Title: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on July 22, 2005, 12:49:34 PM
Big coaching news brewing in Saint Paul...will have more later.

OneArmedScot™
Title: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on July 22, 2005, 05:27:51 PM
Is it "later" yet? :-)
Title: MIAC
Post by: KnightsArmor on July 24, 2005, 08:04:37 PM
OAS,

Yeah, don't torment and tease those of us desperate for some fresh bb news.
Title: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on July 24, 2005, 10:39:37 PM
Did you guys read Charlie Walters today?  He said look for Ruh to resign July 31 to pursue a career outside of coaching.  Now, I wonder where he got that scoop?  :-)

OneArmedScot™
Title: MIAC
Post by: KnightsArmor on July 25, 2005, 10:32:01 AM
OAS,

Yep, can't say as if I blame her for leaving after the way the AD's treated her.
Title: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on July 25, 2005, 11:38:24 AM
I commend her for at least bringing in some talent before she left.  She could have really screwed them the way they screwed her but she seemed to be above that.  

In the short time I've known her, I've found her to be a great person and a highly respected coach.  It's a shame that two people with no idea how to run an athletic department had to ruin her 17 year coaching career.

Welcome to your new job Mr. Feezell.
You have no women's basketball coach.
You have a independent football team that has no immediate plans to return to the MIAC.
You have a women's basketball team playing half an MIAC schedule.
You have a big inflated Scottish mascot that is supposed to lift the morale around athletics.

OneArmedScot™
Title: MIAC
Post by: KnightsArmor on July 25, 2005, 06:34:30 PM
OAS,

Both MAC's athletic administration and President Rosenberg need to act with dispatch.  Moving quickly and decisively is demanded by the constraints and risks facing this program.  A new head coach needs to be named and I mean named  right away.  Ed Freeman, an assistant coach and someone who was involved with recruiting some of the incoming players, would be a strong candidate. An interim coach, whether Ed or someone else, is not an option, for that would simply serve to undermine and handicap next year's recruiting cycle.  

And then there is the need to manage the very real risk that, in light of Coach Ruh's resignation, at least some of the new incoming players may elect not to matriculate next fall.  Managing that risk would demand immediately phoning  each of the incoming students (I think there are nine), explaining the situation, and reassuring them about the program's future.  

And now I'm going to the Pulley game!
Title: MIAC
Post by: east coast miac fan on July 25, 2005, 07:59:17 PM
I think MAC should just join the conference with Northwestern, morris, and all the other recently changed schools to DIII.  They obviously aren't committed to many of their programs at this time.  But hey, that's just one man's opinion.
Thoughts for each team next year:
St Ben's: They lost a lot in the seniors, but they still have Anna Heikenen, and it's finally her team.  She should be the MVP this year.
Carleton: Lost a lot with their senior class, can the freshman, with a lot of talent, pick up tammy's system
Concordia: You can't replace Mandy Pearson, but I have a feeling they will be just fine next year.
St. Mary's: Rattunde is finally gone.  They have a lot of size, but Moran will have to pull it together this year for them to succeed.
St. Kate's: Depends on what personality they take this year.  If the players and coaches can get on the same page, watch out, if not, same old kates
St. Thomas:  They can only get better.
Augsburg: May have a decent freshman class, with a young hard working coach.  Expect them to be much tougher, but still beatable.
St. Olaf:  All that offense, no defense.  If they learned to play it, they might be pretty good.
Gustavus:  Needs the youngsters, that are now veterans to play that way.  Must lead the freshman in order to succeed.
And last but not least
Bethel: Finally recruited in the much needed size they need to be competitive.  They have maybe the top point guard now that mandy is gone, and a phenomanal two guard who may challenge for MVP.  If everyone learns and accepts their role, be careful of what Bethel could do.
Title: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on July 26, 2005, 01:52:01 PM
OAS

What an incredible shambles the MAC Athletic Dept. is these days.  Talk about a scorched earth policy, not even Georgia Frontiere and John Shaw could have dreamt this one up.  To be honest, I really Ruh would have stuck it out for a couple two or three seasons - to see her recruits develop into the program and especially with a new AD coming into the helm - you would have thought that she would have seen the light at the end of the tunnel.  Apparently, the situation between her and the two-headed monster of Irvanessa had deteriorated to the point of no return.  I have to simply echo the sentiments of KA in that MAC needs to hire a new coach NOW or you may very well kiss all those new recruits goodbye.  The question is, who do you get to lead that program now?  Is there anybody out there with substantial experience who would even want to touch that gig with a 10-foot pole?  Do you instead try to go locally and nab some high school coach who is a proven winner or maybe even a recent alum?  These are all questions that Feezell is going to have to answer and soon.
Title: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on July 26, 2005, 02:05:13 PM
Why would a recent alum want to take over the reins there? They, more than anyone else, would be disillusioned with the administration. However, I think they will have to settle on a young, inexperienced coach who is willing to put in crazy work to get that program up off the canvas.

I hope Irvessa is/are happy with how their reign of terror turned out -- no one else is.
Title: MIAC
Post by: KnightsArmor on July 26, 2005, 03:43:26 PM
Feezell, the incoming AD, assumes his new responsibilities sometime in mid-August.  If the administration elects to do nothing about the situation until then, I fear it might be too late to hang on to all the new incoming players.
Title: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on July 26, 2005, 08:17:33 PM
Maybe Irv will bring in a prize to solve all the problems for women's basketball...I mean the Berlin Wall did come down...
OneArmedScot™
Title: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on July 27, 2005, 11:35:20 PM
OAS - Ya know...these boards are filled with D3 junkies and at least three of them happen to be writing for newspapers. You could throw us a scoop every now and again. It's not like he gave you credit for it or anything :-)
Title: MIAC
Post by: kris kringle on July 30, 2005, 11:06:25 AM
Peachbasket - your comments regarding MYK at HU seem surprisingly pointed and personal to me. It is as though you have a personal vendetta against the coach at Hamline. Being relatively new to using and reading message boards I guess I am somewhat naive to the process. I mean, I knew that these were places that one could anonymously attack persons and reputations without fear of repurcussion, but it seems to me from reading your previous posts that you and perhaps WW have some serious issues with either Hamline basketball or their coach. It makes me question your motivation for posting in such a manner - are you going after the coach or the program? Is this a team that you fear or a person you don't like? I don't see other coaches getting discussed in the same manner. Unless you are on the staff or have a direct tie to the staff how would you know what you know? Interesting. Irresponsible and viscous, but interesting. OAS - thank you for your response and the correction. This MIAC basketball is interesting. I'll continue to check in to see what else is happening and if anyone else will be slammed in cyberspace.
Title: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on July 30, 2005, 12:27:01 PM
Ah, Christmas has come early to d3hoops!  Happy Holidays your Jolly-ness!
The comments, in my July 15th post, were a follow-up from a number of accusations made over the past few months, (spurred-on by our not-so-suave friend, Jack Scott, who posted an e-mail about the Hamline coaches questionable tactics, blah, blah, blah.)
She is certainly not the first coach to get lambasted on this sight, (i.e. Terrible Tammy, Dornish the loser or Mike who has the refs in his back pocket,) nor will she be the last.
Here's something to consider, St. Nick, coach's who are successful, will get pounded here, so will people who aren't liked, as will coach's who operated in the grey zone.
Good players will be discussed and who's going to win the conference and represent the MIAC in the NCAA's.
This is what those of us who dream of wanting to be a part of something do, and thankfully, we have a place to do it, right here.
I have been a good boy, REALLY, and on your special day, I'd like to ask for just one thing...one more year of eligibility for my girl Mandy!!!  (It may be our only chance!)
Title: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on July 30, 2005, 04:11:42 PM
KK - If writers were less than kind to Larry Eustachy or Rick Neuheisel after their debacles would that mean they have "serious issues" with those coaches or their programs? If I questioned off-season moves by the Twins/Vikes/Wolves does that mean I am not a fan or, worse, was a fair weather fan? I would answer with an emphatic no. No one wants to see the MIAC spoiled by bad administrations (see the MAC protest shirts) or by illegal activity (allegedly surrounding HU).

This board is silly at times, but no one truly has any insider information, except for Jack Scott's mysterious email. I have nothing against Hamline, Mandy or Y-K.

The whole situation smacks of what was going on last year in SEC football between Tennessee and Alabama. Fullmer was right, but went about it the wrong way and was fined 100K; Alabama got far worse. I hope this isn't headed in the same direction.
Title: MIAC
Post by: east coast miac fan on August 03, 2005, 12:48:40 PM
The reason that everyone questions MYK at Hamline, is because there are reasons to question her.  She's been involved with other regimes that have run into trouble with recruiting, and they may have rubbed off on her.  Every coach is aware of what's going on at Hamline.  They are just waiting for her to step out of a gray area.  Besides, has anything she's done helped Hamline yet?  You can have great players, but you still have to be able to coach them.  That wasn't the case last year.
Title: MIAC
Post by: east coast miac fan on August 11, 2005, 02:18:58 PM
Where has everyone gone on this page.  I've been waiting days for someone to get back on here so we can discuss something.  School is about to start again, and with that means college football, and basketball right around the corner.
Go Hawks!!
Title: MIAC
Post by: Gold and Black on August 12, 2005, 01:12:29 AM
OAS or anyone else...whats going on with the coaching situation at Macalester? We've only got about two months until the start of the season...is there any urgency?
Title: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on August 12, 2005, 08:36:47 AM
East Coast,

Gimme a day or two to ponder things and I'll come up with something.  However, you do have one thing right and I don't need any time to mull over this - GO HAWKS!!!!!  My alma mater!

OAS - Kind of curious about what's going on over on the south side of Snelling myself.....You would think with Feezell coming into the position on Monday they would at least have some candidates lined up.
Title: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on August 16, 2005, 05:51:18 PM
Hmmmm... I'm a little curious about the new system.   Let's see what happens here. ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on August 19, 2005, 12:32:07 AM
 ::)     ;D     :-\     :P
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on August 21, 2005, 10:08:48 PM
Gotta see how this new system works for myself...... :P :o :-\
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on August 22, 2005, 06:13:44 PM
A new school year and a new format for posting up...I could not resist a test even though I refrain from too many posts in the off-season.  I hope everyone is enjoying a relaxing summer before the MIAC wars starting in November.  For now, I'll wish everyone well because I'm sure we'll all be hurling some grenades at each other in a few months... :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on August 25, 2005, 12:23:53 AM
Here are my pre-pre-season predictions:
1.  St. Ben's - based on returners and the rest of the league, they should win it.
2.  Carleton - Vig is the best overall player in the league and what sounds like some unbelievable talent, if Tammy can combine the old with the new, it could be scary!
3.  Bethel - They make a HUGE jump, and catch up to the top.
4.  St. Thomas - Opdahl could be amazing if they can find someone to handle the ball/shoot from the perimeter.
5.  Gustavus - Still good, and their defense should get them in the top half.
6.  Concordia - No Mandy, but perhaps this biased pick can still get into the play-offs.
7.  St. Olaf - Should be better than 7, but this team is far too wishy-washy!
8.  Hamline - Really talented individuals, but WAY too many individuals, including the Coach!
9.  St. Mary's - Oh how the mighty have fallen, 3 very talented players have graduated!
10. Augsburg - New coach really got this team playing well by season's end, but still not enough talent.
11.  St. Kate's - Always put a scare in people, but just can't finish!  WAY too much drama!
12.  Macalester - Poor, poor Mac.  Only gets as high as 12 because there are only 12 teams...will they finish the year?  That in and of itself gives them the 12th spot.
Title: 05-06 predictions
Post by: Collegeville Magic on August 26, 2005, 10:50:08 AM
Not that my opinion will ever matter, but here's my pick:

;D

1. (tie) CSB and Carleton- Heikenen and Vig battle it out for MVP, and the teams split the season series. Each will also drop one game to somebody else.  That other loss will determine the conference title.
3.  UST- Opdahl is BIG, being Trish-free is bigger
4.  Hamline- good talent, but team chemistry and school history against them
5.  Bethel- still scores plenty, but can't stop anybody else
6.  GAC- still defends plenty, but can't score enough
7.  Oles- who knows which version will show up on any given night
8.  Cobs- Mandy is now a Piper
9.  St. Kate's- "up and coming" every year, which starter(s) will get hurt this season?
10.  SMU- can anybody help Luehmann?
11.  Augsburg- they're Augsburg
300. Mac- may never complete a full season again
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on August 30, 2005, 07:14:59 PM
Mac should be announcing their new hire.  Very interesting!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: KnightsArmor on August 31, 2005, 03:15:21 PM
Ellen Thompson, UST 1991, is Mac's new coach.  Good choice!

Picking MAC to finish last in the MIAC makes about as much sense as picking MAC's football team to finish last in the MIAC ---- neither team is even a member of the MIAC.  It is unlikely the football team will ever return to the MIAC and the women's basketball team is not scheduled to return to the conference until the 2006-2007 season.  In the 2005-2006 season, MAC is playing as an independent.  They will play each of the other 11 MIAC schools once and play 11 games against other non-MIAC schools.   ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on August 31, 2005, 07:01:54 PM
Ellen Thompson, were there any other legitimate choices? 
Now if I am correct, she had been assisting at UST during Dornish's tenure, could she aid in bringing Macalester any lower, as she aided in UST's demise, or does she get no credit for what happened at St. Thomas?
Wait a minute, I'll answer one of my questions, you can't get any lower than where Mac is right now, can you?!?!?!  Good luck, to her, I wouldn't wish that job on my worst enemy, even MY-K.  (That was for you KK.)

Hey CM, you a little gun-shy to give your Bennies the out-right title with your picks.  Has Tantrum Tammy scared you enough to make you believe in the Knights, or are you questioning the Blazers?  I do believe your pick of my Cobbers is probably more realistic than my own, but a guy's got to dream!
Should be another great year in the MIAC, can't wait for the start.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on August 31, 2005, 08:32:38 PM
  It's nice to see Bethel finally get some recognition.  As far as the score a lot but can't stop anyone bit.  They finally got some help there.  Of course you can't stop any one when you only have one player over 5'8".  Players like the freeman twins and heikenen will dominate little players more so than normal.  They finally have some size and depth off the bench.  So don't count on the D being quite as poor as years past. ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: bobby on September 01, 2005, 05:38:29 PM
 :)  EXCITED FOR BASKETBALL TO START, NO PREDICTIONS FOR ME YET.  INTERESTING PREDICTIONS ON HERE SO  FAR, IT COULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT YEAR, ALOT OF GOOD PLAYERS GONE THAT WILL MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE ON SOME OF THE TEAMS.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on September 03, 2005, 10:08:30 PM
Okay, so what if it's only the Labor Day weekend and my mind's on the U.S. Open and football.  Here's my (very) early preseason picks:

1.  CSB - Just too much size and talent here to deny them - plus an even more experienced AH will lead the way for the red-clad Blazers.

2.  Carleton - A lot of talent and experience lost to graduation here for my Knights.  However, they do return arguably the best player in the conference in Vig and the newcomers are supposedly very good so we'll see.  Somehow Tammy will get this group to blend together and stay in contention for the title.

It gets a bit messy after the first two picks.......Your guess is as good as mine....

3.  UST - It will be interesting to see how new coach Ruth Sinn brings this squad along.  I'm just guessing with Opdahl back they should be better than last year. 

4.  Hamline - They finally make the jump into the top six.  How well they handle it is another subject.  But they have some talent now and a coaching staff committed to building a winner and this may be where it all starts for them.

5.  Concordia - With Mandy now a coach at the above mentioned institution and not wearing the maroon and gold this may be a generous pick. 

6.  SMU - Yet another team that is facing the loss of a star player.  Just making the MIAC playoffs would be a moral victory for them.

7.  St. Kate's - I'm always thinking that this team could make the jump and they keep finding new ways to disappoint.

8.  GAC - I really, really, REALLY hope I'm wrong here on this one and I'll gladly break out the frying pan and defeather the crow should the Gusties somehow prove me wrong but I just don't see a lot of good things in store for this group.  It was one thing when you had the one-two punch of Etzel and AP but they just don't have that now.

9.  St. Olaf - They showed some spark last season but they don't have enough yet to get to the upper echelon.

10.  Bethel - This team could certainly finish much higher but size looks to be the stumbling block here.

11.  Augsburg - This is a team that played much better down the stretch last year.  If they can be more consistent they could finish a few spots higher.

12.  MAC - Hey, where else am I supposed to put them?  Seriously, though, it was good to see Ellen Thompson named as the new coach and hopefully she can get the program in a position to compete on a night-in and night-out basis.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on September 05, 2005, 06:31:17 PM
LA Rams - besides your top two teams I pretty much think your predictions are way off base.

GAC 8th and Bethel 10th? You're giving way too much credit to Hamline, St. Mary's and St. Kate's as well.

Remember that GAC could have two of the best five players in the conference this year in Monahan and Vadnais...and from what I've heard Bethel has addressed their size problems with a couple of transfers.

Also an interesting note: The Gusties have finished in the top 6 in the conference every year since the 1988-89 season...that's 17 straight years...you really think that streak will end this year?

I will guarantee you that St. Mary's and St. Kate's will not finish in the upper half of the conference this year.

My predictions:

1. St. Ben's
2. Carleton
3. Gustavus
4. Bethel
5. Hamline
6. St. Thomas
7. St. Olaf
8. Concordia
9. St. Mary's
10. Augsburg
11. St. Kate's
12. Macalester
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: bobby on September 06, 2005, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on September 05, 2005, 06:31:17 PM
LA Rams - besides your top two teams I pretty much think your predictions are way off base.

GAC 8th and Bethel 10th? You're giving way too much credit to Hamline, St. Mary's and St. Kate's as well.

Remember that GAC could have two of the best five players in the conference this year in Monahan and Vadnais...and from what I've heard Bethel has addressed their size problems with a couple of transfers.

Also an interesting note: The Gusties have finished in the top 6 in the conference every year since the 1988-89 season...that's 17 straight years...you really think that streak will end this year?

I will guarantee you that St. Mary's and St. Kate's will not finish in the upper half of the conference this year.

My predictions:

1. St. Ben's
2. Carleton
3. Gustavus
4. Bethel
5. Hamline
6. St. Thomas
7. St. Olaf
8. Concordia
9. St. Mary's
10. Augsburg
11. St. Kate's
12. Macalester
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on September 07, 2005, 08:52:22 AM
GACBacker,

Hey, I hope I'm proven wrong on my pick for GAC.  I WANT them badly to finish in the top 3 or 4.  Yes, they do have a couple of very good players in Vadnais and Monahan and I also think Erin Boese could develop into a very good one as well.  Beyond that, what else is there?  The problem I see with the Gusties (and I saw this a lot last year) is that they got bullied by other teams down low.  Second, they lost a lot in terms of senior leadership and that's going to be a tough element to replace as well.  Hopefully, someone can/will step up and show the younger ones the way.......

Also, why does everyone seem to be jumping on the Bethel bandwagon all of a sudden?  I like their coach and I do see improvement for them down the road but picking them to finish third or fourth in the conference?  C'mon.  Look, maybe they did address the size issue with a couple of new transfers and they have been making progress but until I see all this parlay into success I'll resist the temptation of doing any backflips over Bethel for the time being. ;) 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on September 07, 2005, 01:39:57 PM
Peaches- My only fear in the area of Tammy is that she might enter the stands some time and chew off a fan's ear, a la Tyson.  Carleton will still be scrappy and probably talented, but they've lost their sharpest elbows, their most clutching hands, and their most insane parent with the graduation of the Freemans.

I would be the unabashed homer and pick my Blazers outright, but I'm really not all that knowledgeable to begin with, and my feeble brain doesn't want to attempt the pressure of a self-centered pick right away.

Go Blazers!!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on September 07, 2005, 01:44:50 PM
LA - Why are you doing backflips for Hamline then?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on September 07, 2005, 02:46:58 PM
CM - no truer words ever spoken from a fan in St. Joe's!!
As for the predictions, I really think the league is pretty even. Bethel makes a jump, in my mind, because of graduation around the league!
Hamline, on paper, still should be more talented than most, but when the team is fighting over who gets to shoot, and who they won't pass to, they'll be hard-pressed to beat anyone, except Mac, and those other pansies they slapped-up a year ago!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on September 08, 2005, 03:23:15 PM
There is no way GAC finishes 8th. It's football season so I refuse to go into detail, but you can bet your bottom dollar on that.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on September 08, 2005, 03:37:12 PM
A note about the league, and what I know about it this year.  I've already made my assessment of each team, about a few months ago, but i thought i'd like to reiterate them again here.  As far as jumping on bandwagons goes, LA Rams, if we don't go by who they have coming in and only by what they've proved, carleton has to go way down, because none of their freshman have proven anything.  Also, people have been for kate's for quite some time based on potential.  Bethel has the POTENTIAL to be top 3 or 4 whether they've proven anything or not.
Now each team again
St. Bens: Lost a lot, have alot, probably bringing in a lot, it's the same thing every year, only they have a true leader this year in AH
Carleton: Tammy is there, Vig is there, Colbenson is there, talented freshmen coming in, should be good
Gac: Sorry to say it, but this could be the year they break their streak, no real size inside could spell disaster, just ask bethel
St Thomas: new coach can only mean good things, they are a real mystery though
Concordia:  Has more talent than everyone gives them credit for, good freshman class coming in with talent to back it up, still top six
St. Marys: Same as Concordia, don't know for freshman, but have plenty of talent there still, can still be 6/7
St Kate's: Who knows who will show up.  Had a transfer out in soule, we'll see what happens
St Olaf:  All offense, no defense, enough said
Auggies: I like what they are doing, but it's not enough yet
Mac: nough said, it's mac
Bethel: Has all the pieces finally to make a run to the top 3, can they put it together though, that's the ?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: crazy_carl on September 08, 2005, 04:34:22 PM
ECMF- I don't mean to rain on your parade, but Kristi Colbenson graduated, unless you are aware of her coming back to be an assistant coach or something.  Carleton does still have a Colbenson, but he plays football.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on September 12, 2005, 11:29:59 AM
   That doesn't really change my point CC.  The fact is, they have some talent coming back, and a lot of UNPROVEN talent coming in.  Does that mean I will rank them any less?  Nope.  I've seen some of their talent play, and I know what kind of coach Tammy is.  They'll be fine, whether or not i have the exact roster down.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: crazy_carl on September 12, 2005, 02:44:52 PM
ECMF-  Perhaps I wasn't clear.  My previous post was in no way a challenge to anything you had written.  In fact, I agree with your rankings for the most part.  It was simply to correct a slight error for yourself, other posters, and non-posters alike who read the board, which adds up to a significant number of people, a few of whom may have also been unclear about Kristi. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on September 12, 2005, 03:53:46 PM
Okay, here are my actual predictions as to where people will finish this year

1.) Carleton- you can't pick against a champ til they actually lose as once told to me by a wise individual
2.) St. Bens- the team with the best chance to knock them off
3.) Bethel- May be favoring my fav team too much, but they finally have the inside game to match their outside game
4.)Concordia- this may be a sleeper team to most people, but they have lots of talent at the coaching and playing positions
5.)St. Thomas- i just can't decide where to put them, cause no one knows what they really have besides Opdahl
6.)St. Mary's- coach messman has done a terrific job, and i only see a small decline without Rattunde
7.) Gustavus- With no big body's, bethel proved you can't win with lots of guards, this is the year to break the streak
8.) Hamline- They are too talented to not be higher, but chemistry is such a huge concern
9.) Augsburg- This is my shocker pick here.  I think they make a small step up this year and surprise a lot of teams
10.) St. Olaf- If they get their act together, I can see them being a lot higher than this
11.) St. Kate's- Soule is gone, how does martin return from injury, and how do they get along?  Too many questions
12.)Mac- Is there anywhere else to put them?  They don't even have a full conference schedule.

Okay, feel free to blast this, but save it cause it just might be right. ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on September 14, 2005, 08:41:29 AM
ECMF,

I can roll with most of your picks; I see your line of thinking is more or less in tune with mine about GAC.  I'm still having trouble with everybody wanting to jump on the Bethel bandwagon, though.  And no, I'm not doing any backflips over Hamline, either.  I just feel right now that they have a better shot than anyone of making the jump into the top six. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on September 15, 2005, 02:55:23 AM
It's still football season, so I am going to hold off on commenting awhile longer yet. However, I just wanted to let CC know that his call (he knows which one) got screened tonight because we were hanging out :)

Maybe you should post a link to your d3 website for work too? Just a thought.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: crazy_carl on September 15, 2005, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on September 15, 2005, 02:55:23 AM
I just wanted to let CC know that his call (he knows which one) got screened tonight because we were hanging out :)

Maybe you should post a link to your d3 website for work too? Just a thought.

WW- Glad you enjoyed hanging out with our boy IK.  I wasn't sure if he was back home yet, but I hope you guys had a good time. 

I think there is a link to the website on my profile, under the "My Website" section perhaps?  Or, did you mean putting it up somewhere else?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on September 15, 2005, 04:35:16 PM
LA, I will concede that hamline possibly has the best talent to make the jump.  MYK is in her first stint as a head coach.  She has to learn how to blend a team.  A tough task for any first time coach.  Bethel has a very experienced coach who comes from a good coaches background.  He has proven school after school that he can turn around programs, and he just happens to be a year behind in his normal progress.  Due to some unexpected departures from the team last year.  This will be the year they turn it around.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on September 27, 2005, 09:32:37 AM
   This board was hopping for a little while.  Looks like everyone has decided to take a break.  For Football?  I don't know.  Football is worthy of some time, but the season is barely over two weeks away.  Do we have nothing to talk about???  Maybe not until final rosters are turned in so everyone knows who has what this year.  Can't wait til my own season begins.  Who hoo! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on September 28, 2005, 11:21:26 PM
5 Big Questions To Ponder  ???

1. Best player: Vig or Heikenen?

2. How good is Carleton's 6'2" freshman Hannah Oken-Berg?

3. Can Ruth Sinn restore dignity at St. Thomas and what are her coaching philosophies?

4. Bethel's transfers? Impact players?

5. Will a point guard emerge at Gustavus? A freshman perhaps?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on October 11, 2005, 10:08:09 AM
I'll take the first stab at gacbacker's 5 quesitons

1.) Best Player:  My vote for most skilled player is Heikenen.  She can beat you in so many ways, and her athleticism is what really gives her the nod over Vig.  Also, she'll put up bigger numbers this year.  My vote for most valuable player to a team is Vig though.  She's not a center but has been forced to be there most of her career.  She does whatever is needed for her team, and still finds a way to get great stats.  So it depends on what you mean by BEST PLAYER.

2.) I have no answer cause I don't know anything about her, but if I know tammy as well as i think i do, i'm sure she's pretty good.  If not, Tammy will get the most out of her possible

3.)  If you've watched Apple Valley play before, then you will know Coach Sinn's Philosophies.  The key will be to adapt at what she has right now until she can get her kind of players in there.  As long as she keeps the peace within the team, she will do just fine.  She is a well respected coach, and well known around the city.  That can only help her in recruiting.

4.)  Bethel will have impact players in their transfers.  They have legitimate depth and size for the first time in coach Herbrechtsmeyer's tenure.  All there transfers where legitimate players at each level and left mostly due to wanting the atmosphere Bethel provides, not playing time or not liking their team.  Bethel is a legitimate contendor this year.

5.)  Gustavus will definately have a freshman point guard.  They may not be great at first, and they will make freshman mistakes, but i don't think they will have to worry about that position for 4 years now.  The more important question is how will gustavus stop the top teams inside game.  Will they get beat up down low again this year by the top squads?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on October 13, 2005, 07:24:38 PM
Start the season!! ;D Pleese!! :-*
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on October 19, 2005, 01:19:45 PM
The season has started, and not one post yet.  I'm very disappointed in this page.  Has MIAC football taken up everyone's free time?  I personally can't wait for Nov. 18th.  All the hard work finally will come together to start the season.  All the questions will start to get answered.  Has any one seen their team in action.  How do they look?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on October 20, 2005, 04:10:33 PM
All we're talking about here is practice.  I mean, come on, it's practice.  Not games or nothin' important, we're just talking about practice.  Practice!!  I'm talkin about practice.

Now that I've gotten the AI out of my system, here's to an entertaining, exciting year of great MIAC women's hoops.  I'm hoping for no major injuries on any team, and may the best team win! 

Of course, I'm sure that'll be the Blazers if the rookie posts can catch up with the great experience in the guard positions. 

Go CSB!

Question: do any MIAC teams have dress codes for travel?  Will the league come up with stipends to make sure our players are professionally dressed?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on October 20, 2005, 07:58:18 PM
 ;D I went to Monday Madness at Clare Lynch and was it alot of fun. I'm wondering if any other MIAC teams have similar events. ??? The whole Blazer Booster Club was there, the President of the BBC even said a few words, :P although with all the noise and music I doubt if many heard. The event was attended by students from both St Johns and St. Bens, the Blazer Booster Club members, the media and fans. It was really neat as the assistant coach spent most of the time circulating through the fans, booster club and media answering questions and explaining what was happening on the court. Coach Durbin allowed everyone to watch the different drills he put the team through and everyone was able to see the team up close and personal. A few observations: Anna Heikenen looked like Anna, smooth poised and confident. Darby looked like she has been working out  ;) and looks in better shape than ever. Judy Falvey looks ready to contribute this year. A couple freshmen to watch, Kari Shroeder (pronounced shraaader) will contribute at post. She seems very determined and strong under the basket. Nicole Hjelmgren and Nikki Carter also could see action as freshmen as they look like they know whats going on at this level. My player to watch as a freshman is Ariel Tauer (pronounced Arrrrial) she ;D looks like the REAL deal. Athletic, strong, goes right or left off the dribble, and very poised for a freshman. I look for her to start or at least get major playing time right away. Thats it, I know its early preseason but the Blazers are ready!! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on October 20, 2005, 10:56:02 PM
Ariel Tauer will be a great player in this conference...The girl knows how to put her head down and get to the basket.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on October 24, 2005, 08:55:36 AM
Ariel will be good as long as the Bennies keep shooters around her.  Without shooters, you can stop a slasher.  She needs to develop a consistent 3pt shot.  If that happens, she will not be able to be stopped.  Nobody in the league will be able to stop her.  Until then, she's a slasher only.  Back up and dare her to shoot.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on October 28, 2005, 04:43:30 PM
East Coast, I hope you are right because we need a slasher driving to the basket and drawing fouls. Darby is a shooter and if they want to collapse on Ariel, we have Anna ready for the pass, and she's pretty good ;D at playing under the basket.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on October 28, 2005, 04:47:50 PM
Hmmm... pre-season ranking are in, and CSB is a surprising 9th.   :o

I like the optimism, but I don't like the target that puts on the Blazers' backs coming in to the season.  I expect our fantastic senior leader to make sure that's motivation for CSB.

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on October 29, 2005, 02:50:04 AM
Not suprised that the Blazers are in the pre-season top ten. I don't really think anyone matches up with them that well.

Interesting to see Concordia and Carleton each get some votes as well. Those teams might be solid by the end of the year, but I don't expect them to start off particularly strong.

Gustavus scrimmaged River Falls tonight. I wasn't there, but I heard the Gusties looked quite good. Let's just say that the Gustie offense might be a little more diversified this season and not quite so robotic as it has been recently.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on October 30, 2005, 12:18:07 PM
gacbacker - I heard the same thing. I know one of the players from RF and they are supposed to be pretty awful I guess, so don't get too excited yet. I doubt if that was a very good measuring stick. With Mankato State coming next weekend, I doubt that will be much either - one is way below them and one should be well above them.

Still, it's good to hear the Gusties looked good at this early junction.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 02, 2005, 10:44:12 AM
I was at the Blazer intrasquad scrimmage yesterday and I have concluded that it will be even more fun to watch Anna Heikenen this year than years past.  Somehow she was able to improve her already brilliant game.  Okay, they were playing against themselves so I will reserve proper judgement until they battle St. Cloud State Thursday at Claire Lynch Hall.  Still, I am very excited about the talent I saw on the court.  CSB looks to have added a good post in Kari Schroeder from ROCORI, but the team will still be smaller overall than a year ago.  If the guards can improve their rebounding and create more turnovers I think the Blazers have what it takes to capture the regular season crown and return to the NCAA Tournament.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 02, 2005, 11:12:21 AM
AH should be better this year cause she doesn't need to share the ball with KJ.  She's the go to player hands down this year.  It's amazing how much that can help, and even hurt some kids.  It's either a weight off the shoulders, or more of a burden.

Any other scrimmages going on?  Haven't heard much other than the gusties killed a weak RF team, and CSB beat on each other.  How have other teams looked so far?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 05, 2005, 12:43:48 AM
Gusties play D2 Mankato tough tonight, losing by 74-67. They had an eight point halftime lead and sort of crumbled in the second half. They might have had a good chance of winning if Vadnais hadn't been in foul trouble in the second half.

I'm very shocked that the Gusties held a 43-32 edge in rebounding. I thought, and still think rebounding could be an achillies heel this year.

Some quick observations from paging through the stats...

Willie's little sis had a nice game with 7 boards and 7 assists. St. Olaf transfer Vicky Peterson grabs 5 boards and 2 blocks in just 9 minutes, she probably needs to play more.
Starting point guard Sviggum only one turnover in 22 minutes which is also a good sign.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 07, 2005, 11:33:27 AM
Sounds like Bethel had a good scrimmage against UW-Stout.  All Stouts starters return, and BU was without a few kids.  They still won one of the halfs and the extra half.  Kept it close in the first half.  Very veteran team than can handle a lot of things.  This could be a very interesting year in the MIAC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on November 07, 2005, 01:31:47 PM
East Coast-

Stout lost their starting power forward(Erickson), who was probably their best player (if not best, 2nd best behind Duoss) and their starting point guard(Churchill).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 07, 2005, 03:58:07 PM
they are still ranked very highly to start the year though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 07, 2005, 09:45:10 PM
east coast, tell me, are you married to, dating a player, related to someone affiliated with Bethel, or what?!?!?!  You have a true love-fest going on with that crew!!!  Tell me, how are all the injuries down there?  Any no-shows?
My Cobbers may surprise.  Like everyone, if we can continue to get some consistency from the perimeter, we might do alright.  My girl Hageman looks great, I just fear that she may have "sophomore-itis"...she isn't going to catch anyone off guard this year!!
My Tommie sources report two pretty quality freshmen guards from Iowa, and no Miller, no Slater.  Sounds like the bench is pretty short!!
I see Hamline somehow has Leon, "the 20th year senior" on their roster, and two former Pipers have jumped ship, swam down Snelling and hung a right at Randolph.  Yep, the St. Cate's Caties lost 2 quality guards and picked up a guard and a banger who's services were no longer needed in Piper -land.
I looked at St. Mary's roster, not very scary.  It seems like they lost more than there 3 seniors from a year ago, but I can't remember who's missing that should be there...anyone know?
What's the news in Northfield?  Those two teams could be interesting.
Can't wait for the first real tip-off!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 07, 2005, 10:07:10 PM
Peachbasket-

I believe the St. Mary's player you are referring to is Megan Moran, she would have been a junior who averaged like 8 points per game last year.

And you are correct that Molly Miller and Katy Slater are not playing for the Tommies. They will have Opdahl and Gotchnik as their proven returners.

Petrich and Busch did jump ship for St Kate's and they get Jenna Martin back. But still way to thin in my opinion.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 07, 2005, 10:34:44 PM
gacbacker - Is "Willie" referring to me? :) It was a good weekend for my sisters. The older one took home the MVP at a tourney at Disneyland in Florida, which I obviously went to watch.

The Gusties played well I heard. They were up by as much as 13 in the second half before falling apart for a 4-5 minute stretch. Shooting 26% on free throws in the second half will do that, apparently. Still, that's not bad against an average, good-sized D2 team. Monahan is primed for a breakout season.

Oh, and the Gusties will easily make the playoffs. You heard it here first (for the second time).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 08, 2005, 01:34:25 AM
Willy- I second that. The Gusties are definitely a playoff team. They do need to get off to a good start though because they have a lot of home games at the beginning of the year and a tough road schedule near the end.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 08, 2005, 08:27:00 AM
PB, I don't believe I have to be married to, dating a player, related to someone affiliated with Bethel, or what?!?!?! In order to be knowledgeable about a team.  I have made many comments about other teams also.  I think I'm pretty knowledgeable about everyone in the conference.  I am friends with most of the coaches in this conference.  I have a special place in my heart for Bethel, and I do know everyone on their team, but that doesn't make me any more of a fan than you with Concordia, or the Gackers, the Bennies, or the Carls.  I just know Bethel is finally going to turn the corner this year.  My opinion, see if the prove me wrong.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 08, 2005, 05:38:17 PM
East Coast - The old "are you married to someone on X team" really isn't worth a response. Everyone has their favorite team, there's no need to apologize.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 08, 2005, 07:38:18 PM
east coast,
I wasn't looking for a response, you're right, I really like my Cobbers, I just think you've got sooo much insight, I figured you had a deeper "in" with the Royals
I was talking with my Tommie drinking buddy and he said Opdahl couldn't find the basket last night vs. Mankato.  He was really impressed with Kaiser and the young guards.  He also mentioned something about a Bethel guard who is injured and not quite at 100%...any news on that east coaster????
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 08, 2005, 08:13:12 PM
Yes, I have some insight into that.  But I'm sworn to secracy.  I don't want any one picking up some USEFUL info on this sight.  They'll have to figure out who it is when they play.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 08, 2005, 11:30:43 PM
Hard to believe that it's that time of the year again - another hoops season is almost upon us.  Have to admit I'm still stuck in football season and am still in major hangover mode as my Bruins got unmercifully nuked last Saturday night in Tucson.  So much for being unbeaten going into the showdown with crosstown rival USC >:(

Here then are my picks for the upcoming season..

1.  CSB - Again, just too much talent here to deny them.  With an experienced and improved AH leading the way this team could go far.

2.  Carleton - My Knights do have one of the best two players in the MIAC in Megan Vig back for her senior season.  I think the real key for the Knights contending will be the play of Andrea Korb and Kari Christianson.  If they can take some of the load off of Vig I think the Knights could be right there at the end.

3.  UST - I'm still thinking Opdahl will keep her team in the mix. 

4.  Hamline - I'll stick with this pick as well although I admit chemistry could be an issue with this team. 

5.  Bethel - OK, ok.  I've lightened up a little on this team and am giving them a shot at making the MIAC playoffs.

6.  Concordia - A big hole to fill here replacing Mandy Pearson although the Cobs do have some good players coming back that should keep them fighting for a playoff berth.

7.  GAC - I hope WW and Gacbacker are right with their
thoughts on the Gusties.  I do think Bri Monahan could be poised to have a big year but again rebounding is a big key for them as even Gacbacker admitted this.  If it's anything like I've seen over the past couple of seasons (and this previous summer league) then the Gusties are going to get hammered again down low.  Hopefully WW's younger sis will prove me wrong.  :)

8.  SMU - Some big holes to fill here, too.

9.  CSC - This group could be an enigma this year.  One the one hand, they do have Jenna Martin back who I think is one of the more underrated players around.  On the other hand, what kind of supporting cast will she have?

10.  St. Olaf - This group definitely had some moments last season; notably knocking off the Knights on the west side of town.  They could have some more this year but nothing on a consistent basis.

11.  Augsburg - They'll have to show me more before I take them any higher.

12. MAC - For now where else but hopefully this program is in the beginning stages of turning it around.         
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on November 09, 2005, 11:10:04 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Kate Bremmer of St. Kate's? I don't see her on the roster this year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 09, 2005, 02:10:20 PM
LA-

St. Thomas third is an absolute joke. They will be lucky to get into the playoffs this year.

And didn't you predict a miserable finish for the Gusties last year...like 8th or something...and they still managed to finish fifth and make the playoffs.  They're going to be better this year than last year I'll tell you that right now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 09, 2005, 07:03:46 PM
she_scores - I heard Bremmer is at an NCC or NSIC school, not quite sure which one, maybe St. Cloud or Northern???  How about Soule, where did she end up?
gacbacker - I've got to agree, the Tommies 3rd?  Look at their roster, there is NOOOOOOOOO way.  If they do, then Sinn is a magician and a freshman is an all-american.  I'd also say your Ole pick is way too low, and the Kates pick may be too high, in my opinion.
It should be interesting.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 09, 2005, 10:56:33 PM
Gacbacker,

I think we've had this discussion before.  Again, I really hope I'm wrong here about GAC and that they can finish in the top six.  Your optimism for the Gusties is indeed encouraging although I'm not entirely sure what you're basing it on.  No doubt Monahan is a fine player and I do think she's primed to become not only the go-to person but also the team's emotional leader as well.  On the downside, it's no secret that the Gusties have been worked down low and I haven't seen anything - yet - that would convince me that they've overcome this.  Who knows?  Maybe WW's younger sis, Erin, might become the force down low that the Gusties have been looking for or maybe Vicky Peterson might be the surprise frosh of the year.  In the frontcourt, the role of point guard could be a tricky one for GAC; it appears that Sviggum has inherited this job although personally I thought Michelle Linbo would have fallen into this position.  Presumably, Jess Vadnais will be more comfortable at the #2 spot with a year under her belt and Sara Boldt will make her presence felt on defense.  But the rebounding thing which even you expressed concern about could be a huge problem for them.  Heck, I wonder if it could be the same thing for the Knights this year.

Peach, I'm a little surprised to hear you say how way off base you think I am about UST finishing third considering how you picked them to finish fourth a mere two months ago unless you've had a serious change of heart about them.   It will be interesting to see how this team adapts to Sinn's style and philosophy but I think you'll find them in the mix and in the playoffs when that time comes
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 09, 2005, 11:39:50 PM
LA- Monahan and Vadnais are going to be rock solid this year, everyone else just needs to compliment those two. You're right I would list rebounding as the number one concern, however, they outrebounded Mankato by 11 and that's a D2 school.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 10, 2005, 06:35:03 AM
Two months ago I didn't know Miller and Slater weren't playing.  After looking at their roster, a 5/6 spot is legit; a chance to get in the play-offs.  Neither of these two players were great, but they were both seniors, and there is something to be said for that!
Tammy's going to have to rely on freshmen, but she does have legitimate help from some VERY quality upperclassmen.
This is precisely why I have my fingers crossed for my Cobbers, we have good returning players, they just happen to be young, and that makes a fan nervous!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 10, 2005, 09:52:03 AM
Soule transferred out to a DII school.  One of the MN schools but i forget which one it is.  UST will not finish 3rd.  GAC will not finish higher than 4th.  Vadnais is not a threat if you guard her all the way out to the 3pt line.  She has a weak right hand compared to her left.  Force her right, and take away 3pt shots, which you can do because Monahan is their only true post threat.  Pound them inside, and when they collapse hit your outside shots.  Gac can be beaten.  St. ben's and Carleton are 1 and 2, from there on, it's wide open.  May the best team win.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 10, 2005, 03:31:04 PM
Whatver East Coast, aren't you getting a little picky with your "All you have to do to stop Vadnais is this, this and this." Lets face it, something like that can be said for EVERY player in this league. There are no unstoppable players here.

Besides you should give Vadnais credit. She averaged 12.4 points per game as a freshman on a team where the starting point guard took 237 shots while shooting 25%. She's the Gusties hardest worker during the season and during the offseason. She'll be in the top ten in scoring this year, mark my words.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 10, 2005, 04:39:33 PM
I forgot to give an update on the CSB/ST. Cloud State scrimmage.  They didn't keep score, but it's safe to say that SCSU won going away.  St. Cloud has an unbelievable post who I think was an All-American DII as a sophomore last year.  I think filling the loss of Kim Johnson is going to be extremely difficult, but I was pleased with how first year player Kari Schroeder hung in there with the SCSU post. The Blazer guards looked like they needed a wake up call or something, but I'm sure they will be ready when they start keeping score in the real contests.  It was a great test for St. Ben's since St. Cloud went as far in the DII playoffs as CSB did in DIII.  I think St. Cloud will challenge UND for the NCC title this year.  The first-years for CSB got a "welcome to the big time" from the vets at SCSU, but that's something all youngsters need before the games really count.  The Blazers take on Concordia St. Paul for their final scrimmage before they start the season against Ohio Northern in Chicago.  I can't wait for the season to begin!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 10, 2005, 04:52:16 PM
scorekeeper - Quigley is the post you mentioned. She is pretty tough, though she only really has one move - the turnaround jumper - but she's big enough that she can usually get it off easily. If you stop that, she isn't all that good, right gacbacker? :)

SCSU lost the bulk of their guards and should struggle a little in that aspect this season I believe, unless they got a recruit or transfer. Having watched UND play thrice already this season, they are loaded with people able to match up with Quigs (6-2 freshman with a 27" vert or the other older Boese) this season. I would expect UND to win by 10-15.

As an aside, anyone in the area should check out UND when they come to St. Cloud this winter. They are a top notch program who has a good chance to win the D2 title this year (#4 currently and beat #6 by 20+ in Florida).

I wouldn't have expected CSB to be able to compete with SCSU, but that doesn't mean they won't win the league. In fact, that's a great way to prepare for the season. Do they ever play a real game against them like GAC did with MSU?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 11, 2005, 01:40:58 PM
WW- thanks for reminding me of Quigley's name.  I guess I wasn't aware of the key losses for SCSU.  I was just going on what I saw in person and it was impressive.  I was basically more impressed with SCSU than I was disappointed with CSB.  The Blazers really came around late in the scrimmage and competed well, which is why I am not concerned.  CSB played a regular season game against SCSU a few years ago, but it was just a one year deal.  With so few non-conference games (as I know you are aware) it is tough for MIAC teams to schedule some fun games like that.  They need those non-confernce games to face regional DIII teams to boost their chances for the at-large bid. 

Looking ahead, CSB is in a fun tournament in Chicago.  They play Ohio Northern (picked to finish 8th in their conference) and if they win that they play the winner of Loras vs. North Central.  I didn't think that was a big deal until I realized that North Central was actually ranked nationally at one point last year and only lost to National Champ Milikin by a few points late in the year.  They also took nationally ranked Wheaton to OT.  North Central returns 11 of 12 players.  And if Loras beats North Central, it would be yet another chance for the MIAC to dominate an Iowa team (just like I hope GAC does to Wartburg). 

p.s. Speaking of your nickname, he play Willy Wonka is going to be at St. Ben's December 3rd. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 11, 2005, 07:39:19 PM
scorekeeper - I was curious for one main reason. The GAC girls played MSU for the first time in recent history (to my knowledge anyway) this season. Their guys refuse to play however, according to my understanding, though there is a yearly scrimmage. From the Mavericks perspective, they have very little to gain by scheduling a real game - they are expected to win and will be ridiculed if they don't. Plus, it would likely hurt recruiting if a D3 is beating a D2 with scholarships on a regular basis (speaking hypothetically, since I doubt GAC could matchup on a yearly basis).

Since your girls program is basically akin to the Gustie guys, I was wondering if you might have similar problems when trying to schedule SCSU. You would think it would be something both communities looked forward to though, so I'm curious if there isn't any pressure to get something like that started. Thoughts?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 12, 2005, 04:47:20 PM
Gusties go to Marshall today to face Southwest State Univ...and play a defensive minded, turnover plagued game. SWSU won 42-39. Monahan had 17 of the Gusties 39 points.

Who's ready for the season to start?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Mrs. Scorekeeper on November 13, 2005, 09:26:13 AM
I really think that the decision not to continue the women's game between SCSU and CSB was mutual.  SCSU didn't get help from winning and could only be hurt by losing to the Blazers (as you stated about Mankato's reluctance to play GAC).  However, CSB didn't see any great gain in playing SCSU because if they win, it didn't count towards evaluation of their winning percentage for an at large bid in the NCAA playoffs.  In fact, if I remember right, St. Ben's was kept out of the playoffs the year they played SCSU (one year after finishing 2nd in the nation) and many felt it was because the Blazers needed one more win vs. a D3 region team.  On the men's side, SJU is going to play SCSU again this year.  That rivalry was renewed about 6 years ago I think.  I don't think St. John's has beat SCSU since they started playing again, but many of the games have been competitive and exciting.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 13, 2005, 01:40:51 PM
I believe CSB was kept out of the playoffs that year because they had 2 or 3 losses to D III schools...really had nothing to do with the SCSU game!!
OUCH, that game at SWSU had to have been ugly!  But give credit to the Gusties for keeping it close once again with a D II school!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 13, 2005, 09:59:15 PM
Peaches- If you read carefully, the Mrs. said that the lack of one more opportunity for a win hurt CSB's chances.  Not the losses.

Mrs. Scorekeeper- great to see you at the football game yesterday, and always good to have your input here on the board!

Go Blazers!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 15, 2005, 06:32:40 PM
I cannot wait, three days 'til we officially get started!!


CM -  I read what she wrote, however, that had nothing to do with getting in to the NCAA!
Title: Re: Blazer Basketball Booster Club update
Post by: blazerguy on November 16, 2005, 07:20:34 PM
The Blazer Basketball Booster Club (BBBC) had it's first weekly meeting today and had 100% attendence from members. It was nice to see everyone there and talk about the team this year.  ;D The President said a few words about the coming season and mentioned the great coverage by the SCtimes and todays article about Kempe. Hopefully it will continue as everyone said they appreciated the personal articles about players. Unfortunately the coach was unable to attend because of needing to make arrangements for the opening games this weekend in Chicago. In his absence we did have a guest speaker from another booster club in the area, CIC, known as (Skeeterman) and he did talk about different events the hockey fans from the Center Ice Club do to promote their team.  Thanks Wayne for your idea's. There was alot of talk about this years team, questions like " How will Arial fit in? and will Jamie get quality minutes this year? and Is Ellie working out in Italy? were asked, although the President (GP) could not answer them, he did his best in coach Durbin's absence. Thats about all of an update for now.. the refreshments were great, security was present and made the whole event a success. Hopefully next week we will be talking about our first two wins!!  :) ;D :-*
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 17, 2005, 12:17:14 AM
Save it for the inhouse newsletter Blazerguy.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 17, 2005, 11:31:48 AM
the tommies were sent on their way this morning to bean town, in the first step on their road of re-taking the MIAC.  i don't know how long that road may be, but it's going to happen!  sinn is the real deal
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 17, 2005, 07:05:18 PM
If recent history is any indication, the Beatles have already best described the Tommies travel toward re-taking the MIAC as "the long and winding road".

Of course, UST has always been quite familiar with the word sin, so it's not a surprise that the new coach fits in well.

I already miss Dornish, and the season hasn't even started.  Where's a good pout when you need one?

Blazerguy- what's your over-under on the total wins by our CSB squad this winter?

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 17, 2005, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 17, 2005, 12:17:14 AM
Save it for the inhouse newsletter Blazerguy.
GACbacker, last time I checked this was still America, so stick it!! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 17, 2005, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on November 17, 2005, 07:05:18 PM
If recent history is any indication, the Beatles have already best described the Tommies travel toward re-taking the MIAC as "the long and winding road".

Of course, UST has always been quite familiar with the word sin, so it's not a surprise that the new coach fits in well.

I already miss Dornish, and the season hasn't even started.  Where's a good pout when you need one?

Blazerguy- what's your over-under on the total wins by our CSB squad this winter?


At this point I am predicting a clean sweep!! ;) With coach Durbin and Ref Marty how can we miss!! ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 17, 2005, 10:17:45 PM
I read in the St. Cloud Times story that Durbin is planning on starting Arial Tauer in the Blazers' opening weekend games in Illinois. I'm a little surprised...I know she's very good, I just didn't think she'd be starting as a freshman.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 17, 2005, 11:07:36 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 17, 2005, 10:17:45 PM
I read in the St. Cloud Times story that Durbin is planning on starting Arial Tauer in the Blazers' opening weekend games in Illinois. I'm a little surprised...I know she's very good, I just didn't think she'd be starting as a freshman.
With Ellie Boone gone first semester studying overseas it left a spot open. It will probably help us in the long term with Arial and Kari Shrader getting alot of experience right away.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 18, 2005, 11:30:58 PM
Blazerguy- How is the booster club feeling after the opening night 75-74 loss to Ohio Northern? I wonder if attendance at next week's meeting will slip...Anna can't do it ALL by herself you know.

St. Mary's and Macalester both look awful tonight as well. St. Mary's scores only 38 against LaCrosse and Macalester puts up 25 points against St. Scholastica.
Title: Blazers drop opener
Post by: blazerball on November 18, 2005, 11:31:52 PM
 :(
Here is the report from Napervile, IL...
Well, my Blazers dropped their opener in a very competitive and fun game to watch...they lost 75-74 to a very scrappy Ohio Northern squad.  Anna Heikenen was absolutely unbelievable scoring 33 points and grabbing 12 boards.  Ohio Northern keyed on her all game and even triple teamed her several times and she still went off.  Unfortunately for the Blazers, Heikenen did not get much help from the guards or teammates in the post.  Granted, it is early in the season so there is not too much to be overly concerned about.  Why?  Because Ohio Northern is not too bad of a team --- while they only finished 7th in the OAC last year I would say that their team is much improved compared to last season as they had two very solid freshmen.  Plus, they shot the ball very, very well ---- they hit 9 three pointers in this game when as a team they only hit 96 treys on the season last year.  So, they definitely presented a game to the Blazers that was unexpected.  So, I give them a lot of credit for coming away with the victory.  I think the Blazers have some room for improvement on the defensive end and the guards will need to get back to the form they showed in the MIAC and NCAA playoffs.

The good news for Blazers fans...other than Heikenen being even better than last year...is that I saw some nice things from Ariel Tauer and Kari Schrader.  In addition, I think Nikki Carter will be a very good player in the MIAC.  Also, junior Jaime Goehner played some great minutes in the first half before getting hit in the face and having to leave the game.  With a few more games and some opportunities to get the freshmen comfotable in the mix I think this Blazer squad will be very fun to watch and a major factor in the MIAC...while they lost the game today I think it could actually be a tremendous learning experience for the young players and the returning veterans.  So, I'm not that overly disappointed which surprises me because a loss is usually quite depressing for me...maybe I'm turnong over a new leaf as I get older...more to come tomorrow as the Blazers take on Loras... 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 19, 2005, 12:38:57 AM
Hello, I have a question for you guys.  Just found the board so should be nice to talk, any cobber alums??? Anyway, my daughter plays for MSU and we  had a scrimmage with Hamline and they mopped the floor with us.  Just wondering who the goliath girl was in the middle?  Was she there last year?  I am really surprised they did so poorly last year.  Thanks for any input.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 19, 2005, 12:50:22 AM
yojo - MSU meaning Mankato State, Moorhead State or what? I don't know much about Hamline, but maybe someone else here does. I do know we have a few Cobber posters on here though, so they could help you out if you need something particular from up north.

I like the CSB/GAC tensions boiling already. Too bad I don't expect GAC to be able to compete with them on the court as well as gacbacker has taken it to blazerball thus far on here :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 19, 2005, 07:53:21 AM
28 TO's and 34% FG shooting for Concordia...UGLY!
The Cobbers pull out an eight point win in Cali, with Mel on the bench for most of the game.  Keely knocked down her free throws, we hit the boards hard, and we win.
Hopefully we can rectify the TO's and we will be fine.
As for MSU, I would assume you are talking about Moorhead.  The monster in the middle is Angel Leon.  She is in her 20th year of college, and on about that number of schools.  They tried to have her eligible last year, but couldn't because of NCAA standards, so she was a student assistant. She must have received a waiver or something to play this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 19, 2005, 01:23:40 PM
Nope, its mankato state. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on November 19, 2005, 01:44:48 PM
Actually, from what I hear, Leon is NOT eligible to play yet this year.  She is on the roster and practicing with the team but it is my understanding that she is not eligible yet.  Actually, by MIAC standards she should not be eligible at all this year...period.  However, Hamline and Leon are doing everything possible to get her one more season of eligibility.  They desperately want Leon to play because of her talent but it sure seems like she has used up her eligibility and should not be allowed one more season ---- I hope the MIAC stays strong and does not bend to the pressure exerted by Hamline and Leon...

Let's see what happens in the next few weeks because I believe it will be resolved in the coming month but I do not think it looks very optimistic for Leon to be suiting up when the games count for real...

Wonka...As for gacbacker "taking it to me" so be it...don't really know what you're talking about there but have fun with it.  That's what the board is for...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 19, 2005, 05:04:36 PM
UST wins its game today, without knowing the specifics, they won by around 25 to Lasell.  Melissa Keiser starting to get hot shooting three's.  If she can continue hitting those shots, the 1-2 punch of Opdahl down low and Keis on the perimeter could be very effective.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 19, 2005, 11:22:41 PM
BB,

I disagree with your opinion on how Angel Leon shouldn't be granted another year of eligibility.  Granted, she's bounced around from places such as the U, UMKC, Winona St. and Anoka-Ramsey but if she's indeed eligible for another year what's in it for everybody to try and deny her?  Hopefully the old stodges who run the MIAC will get off their self-righteous high horse and let her play.

Anyway, awesome to have yet another season get underway.  Presumably, CSB will right the ship after stubbing their toe last night to Ohio Northern.  I am very anxious to catch both the Knights and Gusties in action although I probably won't get to a game until after Thanksgiving as I'll be in Dallas for a couple days this week before heading back to Iowa for the holiday.  Hope to see everybody around.......
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 19, 2005, 11:41:18 PM
From the tommy web-site it says freshman Jess Katch scores 17, 7 boards, 5 steals, 5 assists.  That's a pretty good line for a first year.  She is one of two starting freshman for the tommies, both from dowling high school in Iowa.  Katch and her high school teamate Wirtz (pg) have a promising future for the tommies.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 20, 2005, 01:12:25 AM
Willy- I haven't made any comments regarding GAC being able to compete with CSB this year. I just need to stick it to the Blazers while I have the chance, because I agree with you that the chances may be few during the conference season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 20, 2005, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 18, 2005, 11:30:58 PM
Blazerguy- How is the booster club feeling after the opening night 75-74 loss to Ohio Northern? I wonder if attendance at next week's meeting will slip...Anna can't do it ALL by herself you know.

St. Mary's and Macalester both look awful tonight as well. St. Mary's scores only 38 against LaCrosse and Macalester puts up 25 points against St. Scholastica.
GAC, I actually expect attendence to again be great at this weeks meeting. The booster club is feeling better than ever about the season!   :) There is even going to be an executive board meeting  :o later today to plan for the full club event later this week. I will update you on whats going on.  ;D It sounds like our Blazers were ambushed by the three point shooting of Thee Ohio Northern. From what I heard Anna is going to get help from Schroeder, Goehner, Tauer and Boone when she returns, so not to worry.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: bobby on November 20, 2005, 02:39:58 PM
isn't that the truth, will be interesting to see if marty is the ref when concorida plays st. bens on the 30th. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: val on November 21, 2005, 05:08:29 AM
I have a daugher playing in MN and another considering the MIAC.  So, I thought I'd check in and read  the talk.  A lot has been very interesting and insightful- I agree that St Bens will be a very tough team- as usual!  Gustavus- Carleton- Bethel- St Thomas- Hamline- and on and on- I think this conference is one of the toughest in D III- has been for years! 

I have to say something though- and if I'm attacked, well, so be it.  That seems to be the way it goes here, at least from a small minority, thank goodness a small minority.  I was rather taken aback by some of the PERSONAL attacks and insinuations on this website about many of the coaches in this conference (Carleton, St. Bens, Hamline, etc.)- and even against some parents and players!  How disappointing.  And I noticed most were done by the Peach person, even saying one coach was her/his "mortal enemy" and then attempted to rationalize these and other rather strange comments (about strangers no less) by pointing back to the days when some on this site attacked Durbin and Tammy and others?  As if that makes it right!  I'm wondering if Peach has a vendetta like another poster noticed- sounds pretty bitter to me- that's pretty sad.  Do you know how hard these coaches work and how much they care about their teams and women's sports?  How much they strive to compete with character so they lead their players by example?  Probably not, as I'm sure anyone who has ever coached would ever be ignorant enough to make such comments.  And I come on this discussion board expecting mature, educated and interesting posts,  but instead I have to read and suffer through comments about refs in the pocket, coaches chewing ears off ala Mike Tyson,  players that have been playing for "20 years," monikers such as "terrible tammy," and other coaches operating in supposed grey areas - yeah right- conspiracy theorist anyone?  Or how about proof, anyone?  I forgot- proof and facts are apparently not necessary.  Some are attacking the very people (the coaches mentioned for various MIAC colleges) that have made MN women's college basketball something to be proud of.   I, however, would not be proud of some of the comments made here.  Where is the sportsmanship?  Now, I love spirited discussion and competition- but there should be a level of class, dignity and respect maintained both on AND off the court.  I came hear to read about basketball, not gutter gossip and character assassinations.  This isn't the National Enquirer.  As the refs always say, "let's keep it clean."
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 21, 2005, 01:42:25 PM
Val

~ Not to undermine anything you have said, and certainly you have made many strong points, but you can't take things written on a message board too seriously.  I have not read through all of the accusations or insinuations you speak of, but I would say the majority of the people participating in this forum are in it because they are basketball junkies who like to talk basketball.  Half the fun of it is 'trash talking'.  Most of what is said, allow it's possible to read it differently, is said in good fun.  You can't 'hear' people's tone of voice while reading their post.  If you watch any sports talk show I think you would have a better understanding of how these types of discussions go.  Again, I'm not saying that what peachbasket had posted falls under this explanation, but maybe it will help you have a little more fun in the forum

if i'm way off here, let me know
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 21, 2005, 05:15:23 PM
Well said Tommycorn; Proof is for the Star Tribune. Gossip is for the d3hoops message board.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 21, 2005, 11:26:12 PM
Roses and bunnies and smiley faces to all!!   ;D :) ;) :o :'( :-*

Val, welcome to the board. :-*  I don't recall writing about my "mortal enemy"  as that would be the cancer that killed my father.  No personal vendetta, just looking to drum-up conversation about hoops. (Well written tommycorn.)

Now, on to my Cobbers, they seem to have struggled shooting this weekend.  We miss Mandy, and will be finding our way through this season.  I still believe we may catch a few teams off guard, (especially if our "off guard" gets her shot going.)

Now let's all go out there, try REAL hard, and it's okay if you don't win, just knowing you tried is enough!!  <insert tongue in cheek here>
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 22, 2005, 09:25:02 AM
   It sounds like this past weekend was a pretty good one for the MIAC, other than the Bennies getting beat in the first game.  Always makes me happy.  Looks like the formerly defenseless BU might be able to lock some people down now.  Holding Central out of Iowa to 29% shooting and only 9% behind the line.  That will win you a lot of games no matter who you are playing.  They've got a game coming up shortly against Valley State out of the NAIA that will determine how good this team really is.  Let's go Royals.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 22, 2005, 11:15:49 AM
Can we get a little MVP predictions going here.  Here's my ballot of nominees so far:

1) Anna Heikenin
2) Megan Vig
3) Erica Opdahl
4) Jen Ahlberg
5) Bri Monahan

The obvious choice is Anna, but Ahlberg fits the Mandy Pearson mold.  But I'll throw a curveball and say Gotchnik from the Tommies, who could fly under the radar may make a run for it late in the season.
Title: MIAC MVP
Post by: tommycorn on November 22, 2005, 11:34:29 AM
Who is number #1? ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 22, 2005, 02:02:24 PM
I would never put Opdahl ahead of Ahlberg.  The other two are fine, because they have proven it so far.  Ahlberg will be the main reason this team moves into the top 3 or 4 this year.  Opdahl relies too much on unproven guards.  Jen can take over a game at any point if she needs to.  Also, Jen makes everyone else on her team better.  Opdahl doesn't do that.  That's just my point of view though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 22, 2005, 02:37:56 PM
east coast,

i completely agree with you.  i shouldn't have put numbers up.  i just meant those were my top candidates.  i think e. op is too inconsistent with her shooting to dominate on a daily basis.  i think jen ahlberg has the ability to take over a game, and she is my top pick

as a side note, if erica can get her moves to the basket more consistent, and she does have the 3 point shooting support she got on saturday, it will be really hard for the under-sized miac to deal with her and gotch at the low block
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 22, 2005, 03:25:34 PM
Bobby- be careful what you post when you seem obviously connected to a former Cobber who's now coaching at Hamline.  Just a guess on my part...

I was happy to hear my Blazers got closer to form on Saturday, after a surprising loss Friday.  Of course, new lineup, new year, and new faces always mean adjustments.

My opinion is that Kim Johnson's interior presence will be missed the most on D for CSB.  Kari Schroeder will definitely be a solid player, but she's only two games into her career, and it'd be a lot to ask of ANY player in the conference to take over the blocked shots numbers that KJ put up each of the last four years.

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC MVP
Post by: peachbasket on November 22, 2005, 07:14:38 PM
Vig is the most well-rounded player in the league.  If her team finishes in the top 3, she should get it...especially with all those freshmen that will be playing.
You could make a similar argument for Anna H and Erika, but I think Vig is the most talented!
Title: Re: MIAC MVP
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 22, 2005, 08:56:35 PM
I haven't seen Anna H. play, but Vig is certainly the most versatile of that group to my knowledge. Heck, she played point-forward against the Gusties last season when Colby was hurt and ran the offense.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 22, 2005, 11:18:58 PM
Gusties beat Wartburg tonight 78-70 on the road. Wartburg beat St. Olaf by 5 earlier this year and Olaf was blown out by Luther, who the Gusties play Friday night in Eau Claire in the first game of a holiday tourney.

A close game for much of the night, the Gusties made a late surge to take control. A charge was taken, a few layups were made and Vadnais shook off a horrid shooting night from deep (2-12) to hit the clinching shot, pushing a 3 point lead to 6 in the closing minute(s). The Gusties also rebounded nicely, outboarding Warty 36-32, and hit their free throws after, well, sucking at them against MSU (25-30). Monahan picked up her fourth foul with 16 minutes left in the second half and sat until the 5 minute mark. The Olaf transfer stepped in (name?), along with Consier, and played solid minutes.

While the PG situation remains a little unsettled (Sviggum 0 points, 0 assists in 18 minutes and Linbo with 2 assists and 2 TOs in 10), the Gusties may be better than people on this board are giving them credit for. We should know more after they play a tough Luther squad on Friday - or maybe Olaf is just that bad? I'm planning to attend - work-willing - so I'll have some more tangible feedback then.

PS - The Gusties blew a tire on the bus ride home after the game. At least they have the now-barren Iowa cornfields to keep them company :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 23, 2005, 01:57:47 AM
Actually just a slight correction on Willy's post, Sviggum had four points and they were all huge....a driving lay-up late in the game that pushed the lead from 3 to 5 and then two free throws to extend the lead from 4 to 6.

Great team win tonight as Haller played 12 and had 11 players score. Going 25-30 at the charity stripe was also big. Vadnais indeed shook off a terrible start as she missed her first six shots, but fought back to lead all scorers with 26 pts.

Luther should be a tough game.

In other action tonight Hamline beats River Falls and Leon doesn't play. I assume that means Young-Kruse has been told she can't play?

Also St. Olaf has five players in double figures in a 91-88 victory over Buena Vista.

Bethel wins to go 2-0, but where are these transfers that were going to help them so much this year? They're basically starting the same starting line-up as last year with three guards. I think Cotner (6'2" out of Stillwater) is one of the transfers that was highly touted and she played only 9 minutes. They appear to be the same old, same old team to me.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 23, 2005, 03:17:49 PM
gacbacker - My fault. I got excited and was looking at assists/turnovers rather than points/turnovers as I posted.

Now, we all know LArams is a genius but the MIAC coaches don't seem to agree with his assessment of GAC's chances this year. Here's the recently released coaches poll.

2005-06 MIAC Women's Basketball Coaches Preseason Poll
(First Place Votes in Parentheses)
1. Saint Benedict (9)
2. Carleton (1)
3. Gustavus
4. Concordia (1)
5. St. Thomas
6. Bethel
7. Saint Mary's
8. St. Olaf
9. Hamline
10. St. Catherine
11. Augsburg
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 23, 2005, 05:39:14 PM
Now, we all know LArams is a genius but the MIAC coaches don't seem to agree with his assessment of GAC's chances this year. Here's the recently released coaches poll.

WW,

Don't know if I'm the genius that everyone seems to think I am  ;).  I am glad, though, that they have both the Knights and the Gusties right up there where they belong.  BTW, an excellent, excellent road win for the Gusties last night down in Waverly.  This may very well be the launching pad for them to bigger and better things down the road.  I'm not going to break out the frying pan just yet but I'll at least have it washed and ready to go  :).

Actually, I'm a little surprised as I was a bit more generous to Bethel in my last poll than they coaches were and even more so that they have Hamline at the 9th spot.  Also, how do they have Concordia all the way up at 4?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 25, 2005, 07:41:51 PM
Gusties getting shallacked in Eau Claire right now by Luther. The Norse were pre-season favorites to win the conference and they are playing like it. Luther 42 Gustavus 28 at halftime.

The two teams have combined for 40 turnovers in the first half with Gustavus committing 21 of them. Vadnais has 3 fouls at the half as well which doesn't bode well for the Gusties.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on November 25, 2005, 11:54:11 PM
Gusties lose by 32 to Luther.  Luther is very good, especially underneath the basket where they got layup after layup.  Their posts are huge and just powered it through the Gustie defenders.  Luther has got to be a top 25 team.  It was a bad match up for Gustavus as it will be tomorrow night when Luther plays a much smaller Eau Claire team.  Gusties had a lot of trouble with Luther's press.  Many of Gustavus' turnovers were caused by the Luther pressure in the backcourt.  One thing I thought the Gustie coaching staff should have tried to do is to play a zone defense and pack defenders underneath the hoop to try and stop the entry passes into the posts.  Once the posts got the ball, it was all over.  Gusties will play St. Scholastica @ 6:00 tomorrow evening.  I expect Gusties to give it to Monahan and Boese down low against a small Scholastica team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 25, 2005, 11:55:44 PM
Ugh. Not sure the box score could get any uglier. Vadnais played only 20 minutes and the two starting posts fouled out. The team shot 34% from the field and 50% from the line. The following is the game summary according to the box score. gacbacker, you have any further details?

Eau Claire Thanksgiving Showcase, First Round, Game 1. LC broke a 20-20 tie
with a 19-2 run to take a 39-22 lead with 2:18 to play in 1st half. Strate and
O'brien combined for 11 pts during the rund. GA got no closer than 11 in the
second half. LC advaces to final against Eau Claire St. Scholastica winner.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 26, 2005, 02:13:14 AM
Willy- I wasn't there thankfully, I was at the Metrodome covering the Prep Bowl. I did get a report from Eau Claire and it sounds like we just got outplayed in just about every aspect.

When both teams have 30+ turnovers it's a game that makes a supporter of women's basketball cringe.

It didn't matter tonight, but Vadnais and Monahan have to stay out of foul trouble for us to have a chance.

The Gusties are a bit knicked after tonight to make matters worse. One concussion and an aggrevated foot injury.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on November 26, 2005, 12:41:44 PM
In addition to the loss last night, the Gusties did get beat up physically just as gacbacker said.  One player was noticeably limping (Monahan??), one had a huge ice pack on her hip and back, and another was stuggling to just plain walk (I think the one who got a concussion).  Tonights game should be pretty close, but if Gusties get good post play, they should win.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 26, 2005, 06:05:30 PM
The one limping was not Monahan...she just dropped in a cool 19 points on 7-7 fg in the first half against St. Scholastica. She is fine.  ;)

Gusties lead 35-26 at the half.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on November 26, 2005, 11:18:42 PM
Gusties use their go-to players (Vadnais + Monahan) to defeat St. Schlostica.  They led pretty much the whole game and were never really threatened, although the Saints hung in there.  Monahan earns a spot on the All Tournament Team.

EC defeats Luther 64-59 in the championship game.  A close game throughout.

By the way, who is that hottie wearing #34 for the Gusties?  Do you know WW? ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 26, 2005, 11:39:52 PM
Gusties win  by 13 as Monahan goes for 27 and 11 boards.

Carleton loses tonight 61-58 to Kenyon College which gives the top three teams in the pre-season poll (CSB, CAR & GAC) one loss apiece. Vig just 4-13 from the field.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 27, 2005, 06:54:01 PM
St. Thomas posted an overtime win today versus Riverfalls.  The two Iowa freshman had another strong showing, and Keiser stepped up and hit some big three pointers.  I'm a little concerned with their ability to handle pressure late.  They had the ball with 20 secs left and a two point lead and turned it over.

Also, Opdahl continues to miss her easy shots under the basket.  She did have a game saving blocked shot at the end though.  She should dominate this league, no one else can match her size.  The tommies need to figure out a way to get the ball down low.  They are hitting three pointers right now, but a good team will take those shots away.

Overall it was an impressive win for an extremely young team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 27, 2005, 09:40:16 PM
I just checked out the GAC season stats. Ugh! Besides Monahan, the team has played rather poorly, especially at the second post position. Here are the three players (Boese, Vicky P, Kenzie C) stats who rotate (with Monahan too) at the post:

9/37 from the field
12.3 RPG
10.3 PPG
6.6 turnovers PG

Boese has missed extensive practice time due to various injuries (imagine that) and Kenzie appears ready to travel the same road until after X-mas break. Without actually seeing the games, I can't imagine it can get much worse...but it may be awhile yet before it actually gets better if the injuries don't go away. Given that, I imagine the coaches have to be excited at the 2-1 start.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 28, 2005, 09:18:23 AM
Tommies with a dominent post player and a bunch of 3pt shooters.  Sounds like BU last year.  They can attest that eventually the 3's will be taken away.  If Opdahl doesn't learn to finish soon, the MIAC part of the season is going to be a rough one.  As far as Opdahl being the dominant post in the conference, I question that.  There are still posts in the league that can challenge her.  Boone from st bens will when she comes back.  Concordia has some talent in the post.  Bethel has some talent.  Hamline has Ewert I believe.  Jenna Martin is no slouch.  I agree she is a talented post, but maybe not the most dominant.
As for the Dowling kids, no surprise at them playing and impacting right away.  Dowling is and has been a great program for many years.  I watched them play ankeny last year, who was rated #7 in the country at the time, and they made a game out of it.  Does Wirtz still struggle with her left hand.  Last year she would go no more than two dribbles with it.  She's a great player who can only get better.  Any updates to the Knights loss?  Surprised we haven't heard about that one yet.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 28, 2005, 10:39:45 AM
east coast

~ wirtz does struggle with her left hand, she had 8 turnovers last night.  what i should have said about opdahl is that she should be the dominate center in the league.  she is simply more physically big than anyone else in the league, but again, she has been consistently inconsistent with her little jump shot and those bunnies around the basket.

so if these teams resign to the fact that vig is going to score, and focus on shutting down the rest of their players, will carleton be able to win?  are these new players they got the real deal?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on November 28, 2005, 10:42:17 AM
Well sadly football season is over for the Cobbers, so I will have to take my postings over to the basketball boards now.

Atleast the season is ready to really get rolling now, it should be a great winter.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 28, 2005, 11:39:17 AM
She is big and athletic, but there are still posts in the league that are big and athletic too.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: crazy_carl on November 28, 2005, 01:35:04 PM
East Coast- Hannah Oken-Berg appears to be the real deal for Carleton.  She has contributed heavily in the first three games this year.

It is also tough to determine much from the Knights' loss as there is not a box score anywhere.  However, Kenyon doesn't appear to be a slouch of a team, based on their undefeated status and regular season conference title in 2004-2005.  Granted, I do not know how strong the NCAC is year-in and year-out, but still. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 28, 2005, 05:02:52 PM
Wednesday's line-up, anyone else want to make their picks??
Hamline @ Gustavus - Hamline by 9.  This one could be a blow out if Hamline gets their stuff together!  The trouble is that it's at GAC, and they seem to have great confidence on their floor!
Carleton @ St. Thomas - Carleton by 5.  UST has had way too many TO's in their first 3 games, and Carleton is a team, at least in the past, very capable of making you pay for mistakes.  This game could be interesting, and forecast a lot for this season.
St. Olaf @ Augsburg -  Olaf in OT by 3.  The Oles traditionally start the season off very slow, and Augsburg is playing with an unbelievable amount of fiesty-ness.  The Oles should drill them, but I foresee some struggles.
Concordia @ Saint Benedict - The Bennies by 12.  I would love to say my Cobbers will win this, but realistically, if our backcourt doesn't pull it together, and Mel gets into foul trouble, it could be a long night!!
St. Catherine @ Saint Mary's - The Caties by 7.  UGHHHH!  This is not only the "pick-em" game, it might be THE ugliest game this season!!  Both teams lack the ability to score consistently.  If Martin is healthy, she will have her way with SMU's inside.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 28, 2005, 06:37:53 PM
I'll take a stab at the first MIAC games
Hamline @ Gustavus- Gustavus by 10.  GAC doesn't lose often at home, and I don't believe Hamline is disciplined enough yet for GAC's D
Carleton @ St. Thomas- This is usually a big rivalry game.  UST has done nothing to prove this will be close though.  Carls by 12.
St. Olaf @ Augsburg -  This is intruiging because you have the up and coming Auggies vs the underachieving Oles.  I'm gonna go on the upset trail and pick AUG by 2.
Concordia @ St. Bens- Upset special in the past two years, but no Mandy this year.  I predict CSB sends a message to the conference early this year, CSB by 13.
St Kate's @ St. Mary's- The long drive will get to the Kitties.  St. Mary's is still big, and they still have Luehnman.  I'm going SMU by 7 at home.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 28, 2005, 09:54:22 PM
Peach I have to strongly disagree with both of your first two picks. Gustavus will beat Hamline and Carleton will kill St. Thomas - five points is being way too generous to the Tommies.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoop202 on November 29, 2005, 12:27:25 PM
 I agree with  Val... lets talk  basketball and less of this malicious slander.  I am a new to D3 hoops and joined to follow an athlete  in the MIAC.  I  did a read through of the peach comments, after reading what Val had to say.  I noted this peach person does seem to have a personal vendetta towards coaches and even some  players...sounds more like a green bitter lime than a peach.  Very sorry  that Peach post about a family member with cancer, but perhaps that should make he or she show more kindness and realize the coaches and players  she or he spews such  bitter hatred against may also have had tragedies.  I have had my share of outright nasties during coaching , so I agree with Val......KEEP IT  CLEAN.    No problem with good natured sport  talk,  but slander is another issue entirely and I am surprised it is allowed on a forum like this.   
Good luck to all the teams, coaches and players.  Let's play ball!  Should be an interesting week in the MIAC....  I predict a  few surprises.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 30, 2005, 01:40:37 PM
hoop- you can't predict surprises without coming out and declaring them as well.   ::)

That's like saying "I know what dad got you for Christmas, but I'm not telling" to a younger sibling. 

My predictions for tonight:
Ham @ GAC - GAC by 2
Carls @ UST - Carls by 9
Olaf @ Ugsburg - Olaf by 12
Cobs @ CSB - Blazers by 14
Katies @ Cards - no clue, so I'll say CSC by 1
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on November 30, 2005, 07:59:28 PM
Tommies up by 7 with 12 minutes left, Oles and Auggies tied at half...could be interesting...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on November 30, 2005, 11:07:54 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 28, 2005, 09:54:22 PM
Peach I have to strongly disagree with both of your first two picks. Gustavus will beat Hamline and Carleton will kill St. Thomas - five points is being way too generous to the Tommies.

A huge day in the tommies comeback to prominence in the MIAC.  The tommies edged carleton by 18 points.  It was a battle today of the future of the conference as both teams relied heavily on freshman. 

The defense on Vig was amazing, and the tommies really controlled the boards tonight, which may have been the difference in the game.

Melissa Gotchnik finally played the way she can play, scoring 27 points and 14 rebounds.  Chelsea Wirtz is settling down, and took the team on her back at the 12 minute mark ending with 21 points.  I have to say this was an exciting moment for the team.  After 5 plus years of struggle, the team is starting to play ball.  Last year's team had moments of great ball, but the difference between that team and this years team is there ability to get through adversity.  This team is very resilient, and it will be a fun year to watch them grow and get even better...there is still a lot of room for improvement.

Go Toms!:)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 01, 2005, 12:30:10 AM
Wow, impressive win for the Tommies tonight...after watching them barely beat a poor River Falls team a couple of days ago I thought they had no shot tonight. Even more impressive is the fact that they won and Opdahl was a non-factor.

Ugly game in St. Peter tonight as Gustavus pulls one out against Hamline. This is already starting to sound like a broken record, but Vadnais and Monahan lead the way...senior Michelle Linbo had some good minutes down the stretch, but other than that the supporting cast was fairly non-existent.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 01, 2005, 01:18:23 AM
Looks like for those of us brave enough to pick 'em had a 3-2 night!!
My poor Cobbers...OUCH!!  20 points in a half just ain't gonna get 'er done!! The Bennies are a good team, with or without Marty reffing!! We are young, and a bit predictable right now...looks like I'll be on a roller coaster ride this season.
Speaking of OUCH, the Tommies put a serious ouch on the Knights!!  Sounds like Gochnik woke up, and the freshmen can play!  Tommy, how is the Katch kid?  Sounded pretty scary.  They are going to need her as it looks like they are lacking in depth. By the wayI'd take a few of their "5 plus years of struggles," they won a few championships during that time.  1991 - '03 were good to the Tommies, just like the '80's were good to my Cobbers...oh how I long for those days!
The Oles, to no surprise (to me anyway,) were in their typical early season funk.  They don't guard anyone, (5 Auggies in dbl digits,) and they don't care, (unless it's Carleton.)  I still think the Auggies are going to cause people fits.  They aren't the most talented team, but they work their butts off, and just keep fighting!!
The Gusties look to have pulled out an ugly one.  I really thought Hamline was ready to get it going...not to say that they won't, as the Vikings constantly remind us, "there's a lot of season left," but this was a game that a statement could have been made to the league.  One of these coaches have to get wise to the Gusties TWO players, and force the rest of that team to beat you!
My final ouch, SMU...oh how that coach must long for the days of old, like a year ago!!
Now, those of you brave enough to actually pick, and not "predict a few surprises..." let's have at it!!!
St. Olaf @ Saint Benedict - CSB by 17, too tough at home!! THe Oles just don't have it together, YET.
Hamline @ Carleton - is this Hamline's chance to make a statement, no, Vig can't have another night like tonite - Car by 7.
Concordia @ Gustavus - road weary, and questioning, can my Cobbers figure it out????? - This is my upset special, (going with the heart all you GAC fans,) Cobbers by 3.
Saint Mary's @ Augsburg - Auggies by 15, SMU better hope MAC comes back to the conference REALLLLLL soon!!
Bethel @ St. Catherine - is Bethel for real...we're going to find out in that terrible gym.  The Royals by 11.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 01, 2005, 02:10:18 AM
Peachbasket,

From what I hear, Katch is doing fine now.  She took an elbow directly to the throat, which caused her a lot of difficulty to breathe.  It delayed the game for at least 20 minutes which was a pretty scary experience, she ended up being taken away by paramedics on a stretcher.  But all is well now, and she should be back very soon I would expect.  I agree with you, that she is a very important piece to the  team.

After watching Vig play for the past 7 years, high school and college, I really wish you would get more aggressive.  I feel like should could have scored on us every time she touched the ball tonight, if she had made up her mind to do it.  She's almost too 'nice' of a player to take a game over.  I want to see her be more self-fish with the basketball, I really think it would bring her to that level of dominance.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 01, 2005, 08:55:47 AM
It certainly doesn't get any uglier than it did for the Knights last night.  In addition to looking totally lost on offense they had an unusually tough time of putting the bloody ball in the hole as well.  It's hard telling how long it's going to take the new freshmen to adjust and feel comfortable in Tammy's offensive schemes - I think they'll be fine in the long run.  But it could be rough for awhile.

Speaking of freshmen, props to the new kid on the block in the form of Chelsea Wirtz who played a big part in laying the wood to the Knights last night.  How many treys did she have anyway?  Glad to hear the Katch girl is going to be all right.  Kind of scary when she got hurt.  Elsewhere,  glad to see the Gusties pull one out at home against Hamline.  CSB dumping the Cobbers went as expected as well.

Wish I could be at a game this weekend but I'm attending a little football game out at the L.A. Memorial Coliseum on Saturday between UCLA and USC.  Needless to say, I am geeked!!!!  Absolutely cannot WAIT to be wearing powder blue and gold and rooting on my Bruins to the biggest upset in college football history and throwing the B.C.S. into total chaos!  UCLA FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 01, 2005, 10:19:34 AM
Congrats to my Blazers on a good start to the conference season.  The Cobbers really miss Mandy Pearson.  Without her handling the ball, it was tough for the Cobs to get into their offense, and the days of open teammates waiting for kicks once the d collapses on the slash are over.

Thursday/Saturday predictions:

Mac at Simpson -- Homer/Bart/Marge/Lisa/Maggie by 50
Oles at Blazers -- CSB by 19
Ham at Carl -- Knights by 10
Cobs at GAC -- GAC by 9
SMU at ugs -- ugs by 2, 23-21
Bethel at Kate's -- Royals by 12
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on December 01, 2005, 03:33:35 PM
Only a measely 3 out of 5 correct.  Carleton and St. Mary's burned me.  That's okay though, time for the Swam to get back on track here.  Okay for this Saturday:

Mac at Simpson- Do i really need a prediction here, it's a matter of how much.  I'll say 25.
St. Olaf at CSB- Again, by how much.  I'll say CSB by 18.
Ham at Carls- Do they step it up?  At home, I say yes.  But only by 3.
Cobs at GAC- I'm going GAC by 4 in another ugly game.
SMU at the Auggies- I'm riding the Auggies again this time, only by 6 at home.
Bethel at Kate's- Kate's usually gives BU a run for their money, when they play in Arden Hills.  BU by 15.

Best chance for an upset though: Hamline at Carleton.  Hammy's got the shooters, and Carleton's D isn't quite as good as GAC's usually.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on December 01, 2005, 05:43:44 PM
Impressive outing by the Blazers last night as Jen Dalhed and Judy Falvey combined for 27 points.  Watch out for Falvey as a 6th player of the Year candidate.  We like to call her "Instant Offense."  Heikenen is as good as ever and St. Ben's had great minutes out of all three First Year players.  Kari Schroeder had 4 blocks (2 on the same player on consecutive shots).  If Ellie Boone returns in good shape from her trip abroad I think CSB will have a great one two punch in the 5 spot. 

One has to wonder if Keeley can get on track for the Cobbers.  She went 1-10 from the field last night and she is now 3-20 from the 3 point stripe this year.  Based on what I saw from the Cobbers, don't expect to see them in the playoffs. 

The big key for the Blazers last night was the Defense.  Keeley and Ehlert came into the game averaging 24 points between them and only came up with 8 points together last night. 

I'm very impressed with the UST win over Carleton.  Perhaps the "Evil Empire" is striking back. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 02, 2005, 07:06:26 PM
SK,
You're dead-on with Keely.  It was a lot easier to shoot when you've got Mandy...heck, who am I kidding, it was a lot easier to do everything when you've got Mandy!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 03, 2005, 01:09:37 PM
Oles at Blazers -- CSB by however much they choose
Ham at Carl -- I have to go with CAR, Tammy's too good a coach but it will take OT
Cobs at GAC -- GAC by 2 OT
SMU at Augs -- Auggies by 15 (scrappy team)
Bethel at Kate's -- Royals by 7
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 03, 2005, 07:07:14 PM
Well, after the ugliest 29 point win I've seen in a while, I can safely say a few things about my Blazers. 
1.  We can play defense
2.  Anna H is very good
3.  streaks and scoring runs will carry CSB to a solid number of wins, but giving up occasional runs might make games closer than necessary.
4.  We're going to hear a lot of complaints from opposing coaches and fans about officials, because the Blazers are taking the ball to the hole more than in past years.

GO BLAZERS!!!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 04, 2005, 02:30:47 AM
Gusties...ugh.

I like Boldt being more aggressive offensively, but the Gusties are extremely 2-dimensional. Stop Vadnais, slow Monahan and no one else seems willing (capable?) to step up. The Cobbers went box-and-one on Vadnais a few times in the last two minutes and completely befuddled GACs O.

On the plus side, I met a Cobber coach who played with my dad back in the day. That's about it for highlights though. I'll let gacbacker give the run down on the end of the game...it wasn't pretty.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 04, 2005, 02:49:21 AM
The rundown goes like this: Not enough plays made by people not named Monahan.

Someone named Krabbenhoft came off the bench for the Cobbers and had what I imagine is the best game of her short career. 6-7 from the field including a tough turn around jumper on the baseline that won the game for the Cobbers.

Raymo and Vadnais both had threes to win the game in the last 10 seconds, Raymo's was a good look and I actually thought it was going in. Vadnais was forced to shoot hers off balanced at the buzzer.

The Gusties will be better than they looked today...Boldt's two game slump won't last and Raymo might have started to get comfortable on the floor today....The Gusties desperately need Kenzie Consoer to heal!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: jamie_bench on December 04, 2005, 08:28:34 AM
Go Cobbers!   Wow - would think that some folks who use this board could use some "class" and stick to nicer comments.  Annie will get on track - Mandy will be missed - who can doubt that?  All teams go through growing pains.  Fun to watch how freshmen through the MIAC can contribute and work through the pains of adjusting to college ball.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 04, 2005, 07:29:27 PM
Jamie,
Just stating the obvious, and hoping that Keely gets it done, we NEED her.  I know about growing pains we will have our share of them!!  Mel got it going, and so did Sarah.  If those two can keep it up, life will be a lot easier for Anne, and the rest of the crew.
I am so glad we "got 'er done" hopefully we can keep it going with the next two HOME games!
I will be watching, (or listening,) from So Dak for the next month. Can't wait for the team to be 5-2 at the break!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on December 05, 2005, 11:37:58 AM
Jamie

I agree, Keeley will find her groove eventually.  I think she is having some adjustments because teams are now making her the first defensive priority, that was obviously different.  But that can be a good thing also, as it may allow players like Krabbenhoft to get some open looks and knock them down.

Definitely a big win for the Cobbs, some much needed confidence was gained.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 05, 2005, 11:57:36 AM
Tonite's match-ups and picks:  (4-1 last pick, bringing me to a 7-3 mark.)

Augsburg @ Bethel - this could be interesting...that said,  Bethel by 12
St. Thomas @ Hamline
- they had trouble with them last year, but went 2-0 against them.  Hamline has the most talent for an 0-2 team.  Are the tommies for real???? Upset special?  Maybe, but not tonite, UST by 5.
St. Catherine @ Gustavus - The Gusties at home after a loss, hmmmmmm.  Martin is good, and the rest of the Katies are spunky.  Gac by 7.
Saint Benedict @ Carleton - Well, the Bennies beat Carleton last season, finally, and I think that's all it took to make the turn.  Carleton is tough at home, but not tough enough, CSB by 11.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 05, 2005, 01:42:12 PM
Jamie - is there a reason that "class" in in quotation marks?  Do you not understand the word?   ;)

My picks for tonight, not that they mean anything:
Ugs @ Bethel -- Bethel by 13 (too much size for scrappy Ugs)
Tummies @ Ham -- UST by 9 (former dysfunction beats current dysfunction)
Katies @ GAC -- GAC by 4 (Gusties won't lose 2 in a row in the cave)
Blazers @ Carl -- CSB by 8 (balanced attack  and tough D beats the Vig show)

Go Blazers!!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 05, 2005, 01:49:35 PM
Augs v. Bet  Bethel by 15 (coach sets ahlberg loose creating opportunities for the whole team
UST @ Ham  Tommies by 8 (carried by an encore performace by M.G.)
Ben's @ CAR  CSB by 23
CSC @ GAC i'm thinking over time but GAC prevails by 7

go tommies (the melissa's will dominate tonight:)!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on December 05, 2005, 02:37:52 PM
Well, I have not been able to post much recently - time has really slipped away from me.  But, I have been around and a faithful reader when I get a chance.

Anyway, I must admit to being a little surprised with the UST-Carleton game last week.  Has the Evil Purple Empire emerged from the darkness?  Let's hope not! 

I have been pleased with the Blazers effort on the defensive end after the Ohio Northern game.  Tonight will be a huge test as they go against a tough Carleton playing on their home court.  The Knights have a good coach and a great player in Vig so the Blazers better bring their 'A' game...if CSB handles and shoots the ball like the first half of the Olaf game Saturday there could be trouble.

I can say that I continue to be amazed at Anna Heikenen - she has a tremendous ability to get her shot off in traffic and elevates so quickly over opposing defenders that they have no choice but to watch her shoot or foul.  She could go to the line 5-6 more times each game from what I have seen as teams consistently double and even triple team her.  She is really fun to watch.

I heard a rumor that Christainson went down again for Carleton. Is that true?  I heard it was another knee.  If so, that is a real shame as I'm sure she worked hard to come back from the knee injury she had last season.  If she is down, who might take her spot?  Isler or one of the firty-years?  Either way, I'm sure it will hurt their depth...

I will be down in Northfield and look forward to the contest...it should be fun and I'm sure both teams will be ready to paly. GO BLAZERS! 

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 05, 2005, 05:38:15 PM
Brrr.  A dose of reality hit me upon my return and I must admit that I'm still feeling quite bruised and battered from the thumping my Bruins took on Saturday from the Evil Empire.  Yet another year of Trojan supremacy really blows...... :'(

Wish I could make it down to N'field tonight for the CSB - Carleton clash.  Wish I could see a Knight victory but I think the Blazers have too much for a young Knight squad.  Hope the Gusties can get back on track as well against the Katies.  Perhaps if they had Reggie Bush...........
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on December 05, 2005, 06:10:41 PM
Anyone got any type of scouting report on SMU or STO??  Cobbers have both at home, and I would like to know a little more about them when I go to the game
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 05, 2005, 11:09:28 PM
Some Boese girl went 6-9 and 3-3 from deep to lead the team with 15 points in the 72-68 Gusties win Monday night. I don't know any details, as I was webcasting the Piper/UST guys game tonight.

Boese and Monahan combined for just 40 minutes between them as it looks like they battled foul trouble all night. Not a spectacular win, but every game counts :)

gacbacker - You have details?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 06, 2005, 12:26:30 AM
Willy, your sister indeed had her best game of the season. More than doubled her point total for the year in one game! Final score was a lot closer than it really was...the Gusties led by 11 at one point with about 1:45 left...Petrich hit a three at the buzzer to make it a four point game.

Good minutes by all of the Gustie bench players...Peterson and Luhmann gave some good minutes and freshman Emily Nelson provided a little spark in her first varsity minutes.

First place could be on the line Wednesday...St. Ben's plays Bethel and the Gusties play the Tommies.

Willy I assume you will be there on Wednesday with the big guys tilt?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2005, 12:54:57 AM
gacbacker - Assuming my car gets fixed tomorrow, I'll be there with bells on. I hoping to drag along a few others to the girls game.

This board is suspiciously quiet tonight. Could that be because the Knights beat the Bennies tonight 58-57? Maybe we could get some details on how the parent's party at The Reub went afterwards, eh guys? Who spoke and for how long? :)

Seriously though, it looks like Anna outplayed Vig, but the Carls story makes it seem like Vig had a couple of crucial plays in winning time. Is Anna's chink free throw shooting? 5-10 in a 1-point game is a heart breaker.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 06, 2005, 01:05:21 AM
Tommies had a rough night tonight, shooting and taking care of the ball.   They lost to Hamline by c7 points.  They did have a 3 point lead at the 5 minute mark but couldn't make crucial free throws down the strectch.  Wirtz struggled shooting, and score a big goose egg.  It's an important game in the young teams development.

I can't believe CSB went down.  How does Carleton continue to do it?  Tammy should be coach of the year every year, I swear.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 06, 2005, 01:09:40 AM
anyone ever heard the expression: live by the three, die by the three, it's not just a  theory:

Tommies = 1-13 3pts.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on December 06, 2005, 10:39:30 AM
Sheeeeesh--remember when this site was easy to navigate. Need a gps for this old geezer.

Haven't been keeping up on my b.s. on here as the school doubled my class size to save $$$$. I'm overworked and under se-------never mind.

Listened to moments last night and the CSB-Carleton match-up was as most are. I did a camp with Tammy this summer and knew she was high on her first year players and guess it's proving true. Blazer fans--clue me in on the game without tooooooo much biasness:) Hope to make games after Christmas but too much a goin' right now.

RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 06, 2005, 12:08:51 PM
Well guys, Tammy had very little to do with this one.  Ugly ball on both ends of the court most of the night. 

Here's the difference:

CSB - 12 for 30 from the free throw line in a 1 point loss.

Yes, Carleton was only 9 for 17, but the Blazers got to the line and didn't get the job done.

Oken-Berg is the new Shaq of the MIAC.  Big, dangerous inside, but send her to the line all you want.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on December 06, 2005, 12:29:22 PM
Ain't gonna win many with f/t like that; either team. Missed being there as I always enjoy visiting with Coach D. Any of you Bennies see him, give him a hello from me.

RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on December 06, 2005, 06:58:38 PM
I was down on Northfield for the Carleton-CSB game last night.  There is not much to analyze - nothing to compare - nothing to debate.  CSB lost this game at the line.  They went 12-30 from the line and, even though I love my Blazers, I must admit that you should not win a game if you miss 18 free throws. 

While Carleton is a decent team - they are not the Carleton teams of the past few years.  CSB had countless opportunities but missed too many ft's and had too many costly turnovers that were basically self-inflicted and not the result of any form of stifling defense. 

Of course, I am not taking anything away from the Knights - they played hard and deserved the win.  Congrats to them.  I definitely look forward to the rematch in Claire Lynch.

Vig is a great player but Heikenen had the better of the play with 24 points and 9 boards.  But, I'm sure Anna would trade spots with Vig since the Knights got the win.  Unfortunately for CSB, Heikenen got no significant help from her teammates and that was their downfall.  In their two 1 point losses that seems to be the theme ---- all Anna and no help means a CSB loss...

One small little thing observed at the end of the game.  After the horn sounded ending the game, Isler from Carleton wheeled around, pointed directly at the CSB bench, and screamed "yeahhhhhhh!"  I'm sure she was excited and caught up in the moment but I cannot remember another player from a MIAC team in the past doing something like that to their opponents.  Maybe I've missed something.  Hopefully, it was youthful exuberance instead of poor sportsmanship but it was rather tacky at the end of a hard-fought game.

CM --- About Oken-Berg -- she is definitely no Shaq in terms of size but she and Shaq could have a brick laying contest from the line.  Of course, CSB built their share of houses with their bricks from the stripe last night so I can't say too much!   
Title: Re: MIAC MVP
Post by: blazerball on December 06, 2005, 07:02:51 PM
The best player in the MIAC up to this point in the season is clearly Anna Heikenen --- she is averaging well over 20 points a game and almost 10 boards.  She is doing it all for the Blazers. 

Vig is a great player but Heikenen seems to have elevated her game even further after her unbelievable season last year.  We'll see how the rest of the season plays out...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 06, 2005, 10:43:50 PM
Oh Blazerball get off the sportsmanship and tacky soap box (re: Isler). You know darn well that if I or anyone else on this board made a comment like that after the Blazers beat one of our teams you would have the "Sour Grapes" argument on here in a second.

Maybe Isler has some ill-feelings towards the Blazers because they are cheating this year by playing all of their home games at 7:30 instead of 5:45 like the rest of the conference. This gives the Blazers an unfair advantage in recruiting because it allows them to get all their recruits to their home games, where other teams might struggle with that due to the 5:45 start time.

I love that CSB and SJU claim they are one when it works out to their advantage,  but then all of the sudden they are separate entities when it works out to their advantage.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on December 07, 2005, 12:53:09 AM
gacbacker,
I never said anything about the outcome of the game - at all!  I give Carleton credit for the win.  Did you even read my post ---- remember the part where I even said that since my team missed 18 free throws they did not deserve to win.  How is that "sour grapes"?  I was only making an observation of something I have never seen in an MIAC women's game after watching them for 15 years ---- I'm sure there was no real mean intent and she was caught up in the moment.  It still does not change my opinion --- which I am allowed to have.  You can have yours.

By the way, how dare you accuse me of sour grapes, etc. and then claim CSB is "cheating" because of their start times?  I can't make an observation and give an opinion about what happens on the court without you jumping down my throat but you are allowed to call a school and a program "cheaters."  WOW --- what an amazing double standard.  Whatever.

Do you really think the MIAC would allow "cheating" by CSB?  You do realize that the reason for the early starts is for men's-women's doubleheaders when they use the SAME gym.  CSB does not have that problem --- there is no need for them to start at 5:45 because CSB does not SHARE a gym with SJU (a nice benefit to the arrangement between the schools).

Go ahead, believe that the MIAC is in league with CSB to give them some mysterious advantage -------hahaha...all the recruits will come our games-----hahahaha...none of them will go to GAC------hahahaha...our plan is working perfectly------hahahaha...dang it, gacbacker is so smart and has figured out our plan----noooooooooooooo!!!!!!   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 07, 2005, 01:27:48 AM
I'm not saying its a huge conspiracy, I'm just saying its unfair that CSB plays its games at 7:30. From what I've heard several head coaches in the conference agree and have voiced their displeasure.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 07, 2005, 01:49:23 AM
i feel a little akward hear, but i'm  going to go ahead and break the tension anyway,

i'm so excited for tomorrow night's show down gac/ust men's and women's.  ust has not beaten the gusties in the past three seasons, it's about time to change that.  and oh yeah, the guys game may be interesting a little too
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 07, 2005, 02:44:45 AM
blazerball - gacbacker didn't accuse you of sour grapes. He/she was simply saying that there is a good chance you would have pulled that out had, say, a Carleton poster complained after your team beat them. It's happened before. Shoot, I know I've complained after losses, so don't feel special. Bennies are just more fun to poke fun at :)

As for the "cheating" talk...I'm not sure what I think. gacbacker has a great point in the whole recruiting war. Any advantage is unfair when numerous schools are recruiting the same girls, especially when it's come about because of a league-wide ruling.

However...

CSB clearly has its own gym and facilities, just like St. Kates, and has no reason to play early unless it's a mandated rule. Both schools play their games at 7:30 on weekdays because no such ruling was made, which is fine by the book even if some (most?) don't think it's fair.

This is something that probably should have been addressed when this switch was decided, though I'm speaking from complete ignorance on whether it actually was. However, the foresight of this endeavor is terrible. It makes me think Irv is still too involved heavily in the workings of this league. Is his master plan to ruin not just Mac athletics but the entire conference?

Give me, OAS, PiperInsider and Big Shocker control of this league - with a couple cute secretaries, obviously - and we'd be much better off :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 07, 2005, 08:55:31 AM

Another good round of games coming up tonight; hopefully I can get to one of them.  I'd REALLY like to make the Carleton - Augsburg clash tonight which starts at 5:45 which is the reason for this post.  I think the idea of womens/mens doubleheaders is sound - especially for weekend games (here, I would advocate the women's game starting at, say, 5 in the late afternoon with the men at 7:30 or whatever but that's another topic for another day).  But the 5:45 starting time for the opener is just about one of the most ridiculous things this conference has come up with yet.  By the time you get home from work and all and get yourself on the road where you then are likely to battle the rush hour traffic for God knows how long you're lucky if you can get to a site - depending on the location - before the 2nd half starts.  At least that's what happened to me on Monday.  Why not move the starting time back for these types of doubleheaders to, say, 6:30 which would give most people a chance to get to the site on time for tip-off (unless, of course, if you're Reggie Bush and you can get to here from there in practically no time flat which is what seemed to be the case when I was at the L.A. Coliseum last Saturday wearing powder blue and gold)?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 07, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
rams - Ummm, a little thing called guys basketball having to play afterwards maybe? Their parents are already getting home after midnight and are not happy about it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 07, 2005, 01:19:13 PM
Well, if 6:30 is too late then how about, say, 10 in the A.M. for weekday games so NOBODY can attend?  Let's make it fair for everybody here.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 07, 2005, 05:19:09 PM
Why aren't coaches complaining about St. Kate's playing at 7:30?  Is it an issue with CSB because the team is better than CSC?   ::)

Shouldn't coaches be happy that, twice per year, their players don't have to miss EVEN MORE class time to make it to a game?  Why isn't that the point here?

If teams have to leave almost two hours earlier to arrive for the 5:45-7:30 doubles, then all the student-athletes miss out on what they're paying for, their classes.

Recruits typically miss all or part of a school day to attend a weekday game as it is, so this argument is pointless.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 07, 2005, 05:23:27 PM
Predictions for tonight?

Carls @ Ugs -- Knights by 20 (71-51)
SMU @ CCM (longest drive in the conference, horrible scheduling for a weekday game) -- CCM by 20 (62-42)
UST @ GAC -- UST by 5 (61-56)
Mac @ Dubuque -- Dubuque by 300 (310-10)
Bethel @ CSB -- Blazers by 8 (79-71)
Kate's @ Ham -- Pipers by 11 (66-55)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on December 07, 2005, 06:09:52 PM
The other things that we need to remind gachacker is that the conference COACHES voted on this proposal and it passed.  So, the ONLY people that should be upset about it or concerned about it are those coaches who voted AGAINST 5:45 starts and have to do it ---- obviously most coaches voted for the switch so they have nobody to complain to other than themselves. 

If the coaches in the MIAC voted it in and made the decision then you'll just have to deal with it - go talk to the coaches in the conference that voted for it and complain to them --- don't sit there and make an asinine comment that CSB is cheating when you have NO CLUE as to how the switch and schedule change was made.

Get a clue and enjoy your 5:45 start...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Carls_Jr on December 07, 2005, 10:24:20 PM
hey y'all - long-time reader, first time poster. Just couldn't resist the urge to get in on the fun myself this year. Enjoyed reading the posts. The occasional personal attacks can be a bit much, but generally speaking, the rivalries & half-truths are the whole point!

Didn't intend to begin by rehashing old topics, but do have one where I can add some context, that being Isler's point at the CSB bench. I was at the Carleton/Macalester scrimmage to tip off the year and watched her make a similar move after blocking the shot of some poor Mac sub late in the 2nd half. And this was against MAC, mind you......From what I understand, Isler can even be like that in practice at times. So after watching that Mac play and hearing she's equally fiery in practice, one is led to think it's a product of her on-court demeanor, and probably not much more. It was a nice, surprising win for a young team. Besides, what non-Bennie hasn't wanted to do that anyway?! Some schools, like CSB, UST, & (admittedly) Carleton are just a lot more fun to hate!

Just back from the Carl/Aug tilt in the cities tonight. Knights jumped out 24-6 early and controlled throughout, as the Auggies had no answer for Vig or H.O-B inside. Also, looks like Christianson was held out as a precautionary measure because she dressed for warm-ups but DNP. Hope she'll be well because the Knights will need her presence going forward.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacanatic on December 08, 2005, 03:06:07 AM
new to the scene.but i too was at the carl/mac game and carl jr doesnt have their facts straight at all.the block wasnt on a "poor mac sub" it was on a starter that went to hs with isler.they are friends.if people are going to attack character and class KNOW what youre talking about.watch the game.its a privilege.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 08, 2005, 08:50:43 AM
An interesting night in the league.
Carleton handles Augsburg, as do the Tommies with GAC.  Ben's looked to be in a bit of a dog fight with Bethel, and Hamline lays an egg vs. the Katies, after dropping the Tommies in the previous game.  Most importantly, (in my mind,) was the Cobbers  winning, albeit ugly, but winning.  If we can continue to find ways to win, Coach Rahman will be able to instill some confidence in the team, and hopefully by the middle to end of the season, our rollercoaster ride will be lessen and we will be competing for in the playoffs!!
St. Olaf @ Concordia - Cobbers by 7, and probably an ugly 7
Carleton @ Gustavus - should be interesting at GAC, but Carleton by 3
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 08, 2005, 09:32:11 AM
You're right, Miacanatic (whatever that is)   ;D

Watching these great kids play basketball is a privelege.  Typically, it also means that there's good sportsmanship and respectful rivalries.  Being "fiery" is no excuse for taunting.  Get excited, yell a couple of times if you're happy, jump around and hug your teammates after a big win.

Don't point at other teams' benches, don't humiliate former teammates in scrimmages (MAC's squad would mostly be benchers for other teams), and respect your teammates enough to make the game about your team and your school, not about you personally.  I thought T.O. was suspended from the Eagles, not dressing for Carleton.

I don't know Isler, so I can't comment on anything other than her on-court demeanor, but she needs to control herself if behavior like that's a pattern in both practice and games.

Go Blazers!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Carls_Jr on December 08, 2005, 10:34:59 AM
Sorry Miacanatic, certainly no intent to attack Isler's character. I was really trying to defend "the point" as something that would only come out on the court, since I've heard only positive things about her off it.

I am, however, shocked to find myself agreeing with a Bennie, because I think CM is right in the sense that while its great fun to watch these kids play with emotion - controlled emotion can take a person even farther. It'll be fun to watch the Knights grow as a team this year, especially with the way their young talent has performed so far!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on December 08, 2005, 11:44:35 AM
All the carping about the start times is moot...as was poited out, the coaches (both men's and women's) approved the idea, both sets of coaches agreed on the start times. I agree 5:45 is a ridiculous start time, less so for players than for their parents. if your daughter is playing at GAC and you live in the Metro, you need to leave MSP by 4 to be there for tip off. On the guys side, as was pointed out, its often well past 12 before people are getting home.

Since the coaches voted on it, people like us need to lobby them to undo the damage of it and go back to the way it was in the past.

No one should be accusing CSB, SJU or CSC of "cheating" by showing sanity and starting their home games at 7:30.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 08, 2005, 01:51:39 PM
Glad to hear the Knights pick up a relatively easy win last night against Augsburg as was pretty much expected.  Too bad the silly-ass 5:45 starting time kept me from seeing it.    Oken-Berg is quickly becoming a factor for the Knights and definitely gives Vig a big helping hand.  Sounds like some of the new kids on the block are starting to contribute as well.  As for GAC getting rolled in their own crib last night by UST all I can say is - OUCH!  Guess Opdahl decided to finally go off and redeem herself from the other night over at Hamline which is what I was afraid what would happen.  Needless to say, the frying pan is safely in the cupboard and I have a bad feeling that it's likely going to stay there.   

I was able to catch St. Kate's wild 75-72 win over Hamline last night.  It looked like all Hamline at the beginning as they got off to a fast start but some belated hot 3-point shooting, particularly by Rachel Berglund brough the Wildkitties back.  Just from reading the paper, it looked as if the game between Bethel and CSB was pretty tough; especially in the first half.  Anybody have any details?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on December 08, 2005, 02:44:42 PM
Thoughts on the Cobbers win last night in Moorhead over SMU:

-Fruedenberg is going to be a nice point guard for the Cobbs down the road. But she needs to play at a faster pace right now. This team can get up and down the court very well, but they are not doing it. Also both point guards seem to miss a good share of cutters through the offense, but that seems like a theme with the whole team, they are not as aggressive as I think they should be. Having said that, I understand that it is going to take some time to feel each other out, especially when we are so young.  An I am not trying to come down on the freshman PG, I am probably expecting too much after being treated to 4 years of amazement and awe with Mandy.

-Hageman is an absolute force inside.  It is fun to watch her play, but like I said above, she needs to get more touches.  She is open many times in the block and they just did not get her the ball.

-It was nice to see Keeley snap our of her mini slump a little bit. She shot the ball very well.  I also think that she can be more of a scorer than she is right now, but I dont know exactly what the coach is asking her to do, so ...

-Overall feelings about this Cobber team.  I think that this will be a fun team to watch once everyone gets a grasp of what they are capable of. They are very athletic and fairly deep. I would say the playoffs should be expected, and I think that we will be much improved when we meet up with the Blazers again down the road.  That butt kicking they put on us hopefully lit a fire under these girls. Season is in full swing now, Go Cobbs!!

-wow that was long.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 08, 2005, 03:48:12 PM
The Blazer - Royal matchup last night was a very good game.  Bethel is a legitimate contender in this conference.

Of course, about 2/3 of the Bethel possessions should never have lasted more than 10 seconds, because at least half of their players either carry the ball (Ahlberg's Iverson imitation dribbling) or start their moves by traveling (double pivots and sliding feet by ALL of the posts).  The fact that MIAC refs are calling games more and more like the NBA means that Bethel will be very dangerous on offense most nights.

Ahlberg and Thielke are still lights-out shooters when they have space, and their size in the post will force defenses to pick their poison. 

The Blazers, however, showed themselves to be the deeper team, and wore down Bethel in the second half.  Helpside D in the post created a number of steals on Bethel entry passes, and Heikenen (31 points) and Tauer (FY post/wing) cleaned the offensive glass for a ton of second chance points.  If CSB had finished more of the layups missed in the first half, it could have been a 15-20 point game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on December 08, 2005, 06:57:56 PM
The Bethel-CSB game was a very fun game to watch.  Bethel is, by far, the best team CSB has played this year.  That right, even better than Carleton.  Bethel should easily beat Carleton by 10-20 points.  Of course, CSB should have beaten Carleton by that same amount and could not get the job done so we shall see what happens.

Bethel has very good guards in Ahlberg, Thielke, and Uzpen.  They are big and deep in the post ---- they will give teams fits.  CM is right in saying teams will have to pick their poison. 

CSB won this game for two reasons: 
1) Anna Heikenen - she is CLEARLY the best player in the league night in and night out.  She goes to work and gets it done - she scored 31 points and people were surprised when they looked and saw her stat line.

2) The bench - CSB played three first-years off the bench for significant stretches and they were all tremendouos.  Ariel Tauer will be all-MIAC and a legit MVP candidate in a few years if she continues to improve as she has from the start of the season.  Kari Schroeder showed some great moves in the post and did a nice job banging with the Bethel posts.  But, the play of Nikki Carter was SPECTACULAR.  You won't see any points in her stat line but she was rock-solid controlling the point off the bench - she was never fazed and did not make any mistakes.  The Bethel guards and pressure did nothing to her and that made a huge difference. 

One more game for CSB before the break - a road trip to Morris next week.  Then, a nice break before the battles begin again.  The good news for CSB is that they will be getting Ellie Boone back in the post when she returns from studying abroad.  It might take her a few weeks to get back into the swing of things and into basketball shape but CSB will be deeper in the post with her presence and passing abilities. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 08, 2005, 07:40:42 PM
update on the tommie/gac game:

the tommies took a big developmental step, holding a lead with 5 minutes to go.  the freshman played liked veterans down the stretch, waiting for quality shots, not turning the ball over.  they're a young team, but it's good to note that 3 players from starting line-up last year did pretty much all of the scoring.  opdahl with 23, gotch with 16 and keiser with 13 or so, so this is definately about coaching, and not personnel.

i have now watched the gusties, bethel and carleton play, and i feel the same way about them all.  their players are too tentative!!!!  ahlberg is in a situation where her coach thinks the only way to score is either designed three-point plays, or strictly hi-low, let ahlberg loose!!  same with vadnais and monahan, i kept breathing a sigh of release when they turned away opportunity after opportunity to go to the basket.  i've already said my piece about vig. 

seriously though, bethel is a team to be reckoned with, i can only hope that the coach keeps using the schemes he has going, that being hi-low, hi-low, hi-low (and a couple quick hits) because they are sorely under-using their arsenal, but that's just my opinion

go tommies!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on December 09, 2005, 10:51:53 AM
I need to get back into action with some posts.  It's amazing how much you miss if you just turn your head for a few days. 

On 5:45 starts: I understand the GAC fans frustrations with the start times because like CSB, GAC is on the outside looking in on the metro area schools.  This rule smells of metro bias.  Teams in the metro (and I'll include St. Olaf and Carleton with this) don't have to worry about getting out of class early or getting back late when they play 75% of their games within a few miles of each other.  Do the math, of the 8 teams (including MAC), they will play about 145 of 200 games combined within 45 miles of campus (including their home games). Actually, CSB and GAC are at least somewhat close to the cities, but Concorida and St. Mary's are at a distinct disadvantage.  I would hate to be traveling from Moorhead and Winona all the time. 

On the MIAC so far: I think the conference continues to close the gap between the top and bottom teams.  At this point, I consider CSB, Carleton, Bethel and UST to be at the head of the class with Hamline, Gustavus and Concordia right behind them.  Of course, St. Kate's and St. Olaf are good enough to win on any night and you cannot overlook games with St. Mary's and Augsburg, especially in their gyms.  It will be a long dogfight for the 6 playoff spots this year and nobody will be safe come February. 

I am excited that UST will be at SCSU on Sunday.  What a nice way to keep my attention diverted from the Toilet Bowl on Sunday night between my Packers and the Lions.   I don't think it will be a pretty sight though.  The Huskies are very good with the trio of Hansen, Carlson and Quigly.  Normally I would cheer for the DIII team to upset the DII team, but this is the Tommies, and I will never cheer for Purple. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 10, 2005, 10:31:31 PM
I watched GAC look absolutely awful against the Tommies - who played very well - on Wednesday and decided not to go watch them play the team that beat the Bennies tonight. Somehow, they managed to bounce back and defeat Carleton by 9.

Monahan with 23 and 6 in 24 minutes and Vadnais with 26, 9 and 4. The PG spot is still getting very prediction though.

The top six will be a dogfight to the end.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 10, 2005, 11:10:10 PM
"Concordia's Anne Keeley scores 25 points in Concordia's 78-73 win over the St. Olaf Oles. The Cobbers 78 points is the most points Concordia has scored in a single game all season."
YEE HAW!!  Annie and the scoring gets on track, just in time for winter break!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 11, 2005, 02:10:37 AM
The Gusties get a great win over Carleton tonight by nine, after barely showing up on Wednesday against St. Thomas.

Monahan was great, and Vadnais took over during a key stretch late in the game when Monahan was on the bench with four fouls.

I'd also like to personally congratulate the official who gave Tammy a technical foul late in the game. It's about time that happened because she's deserved one in just about every GAC/Carleton game I've ever attended. Even after the game she couldn't let it go, as she and a Carleton dad were whining about the officiating.

A strange year so far in the MIAC...glad the Gusties can head into the holiday break with some momentum....big games against Bethel and St. Ben's in January.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 11, 2005, 02:23:17 AM
Was it the Freeman's dad come back for kicks? :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 11, 2005, 11:09:44 PM
Quote from: tommycorn on December 08, 2005, 07:40:42 PM
they're a young team, but it's good to note that 3 players from starting line-up last year did pretty much all of the scoring.  opdahl with 23, gotch with 16 and keiser with 13 or so, so this is definately about coaching, and not personnel.
So what's the story with the personnel and/or coaching tonight, tommy? Opdahl has 26, and the rest of the team has 27. SCSU stomp the Tommies, any of you St. Joe-ites see the game? What's the report?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 12, 2005, 03:59:22 AM
Peach- are you really ribbing tommcorn because the Tommies lost to a D2 team that stuck with the Gophers for most of the first half earlier this year? I think everybody knew the Tommies would get "stomped" today by SCSU.

In my opinion UST is the second or third best team in the conference right now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 12, 2005, 09:55:38 AM
I agree gacbacker, just playing a little.  I would guess the top of the league would have lost by at least 32 to this team.  SCSU are solid!
After the first few games of the conference, anyone changing their minds about where everyone will finish?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 12, 2005, 10:51:08 AM
"the Rams"- I caught a glimpse of you on ESPN last night after Fitzgerald's TD gallop, too bad your Harvard QB couldn't tell white jerseys from purple ones yesterday.   ;D 

I think this year in the MIAC will be as competitive as it's ever been.  The rough part of the relative balance is that I'm nervous about the NCAA messing up what should be 3 MIAC teams in the tournament this spring.  Even with the expanded tournament, I always expect the "Nincompoops, Chimpanzees, And Apes" to find a way to make sure that D3 championships don't represent the actual best teams in the country.

Right now, CSB, Bethel, Carleton and UST appear to be the strongest, but nobody's immune to an upset, as has clearly been proven.

Bethel fans- any tips on UM-Morris's squad?  What can my Blazers expect tomorrow night?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 12, 2005, 11:56:31 AM
As I think I mentioned before, SCSU was picked nearly unanimously to finish second in the NCC behind UND. They have a returning all-american in Quiggly. I doubt many/any D3 team could beat them at their place.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on December 12, 2005, 02:16:22 PM
CM- a good friend of mine coaches at Morris, and since I am the lone BU supporter on this site, I guess I will have to fill you in.  Morris is a very scrappy/physical team.  They play hard, and maybe a tad dirty.  They are not a super fundamentally sound team, but this is Coach Peterson's first year at the helm after being an assistant coach for two years there.  She has some talent as a coach, and once she can get the talent at the players positions, they may become a decent team.  You should have no problems winning, you just need to avoid any "injuries."
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 12, 2005, 04:04:28 PM
Peachbasket, I take your posts in good fun, and yes Erica scored most of the points.  After the first few posessions I wasn't sure if we would score 26 as a team.  Quigley had 4 blocked shots in the first 5 minutes. 

That team is good.  I was really impressed by their Senior guard Hansen, who ended up with 24 going 6-8 behind the arc.  I remember her when she played in High School with Shannon Bolden at Marshall, that was a real good team, but she is at least ten times quicker these days, and her ability to change direction on a dime is unlike anyone i've seen in DII or III.

I agree with the sentiment on the board though.  The league is about as balanced as I can remember.  A team cannot afford to overlook anyone.  It will make for a exciting couple of months, with big match-ups every game (kind of like the condition of the NFL right now).   

I still think St. Ben's is the team to beat, and they've proved to be beatable, but I think the teams that are on the floor now are going to be much different than the teams we see come February, especially my Tommies, who each week has made improvements.  (And yesterday, well everyone needs to learn how to take a butt whooping once in their life)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 12, 2005, 04:43:05 PM
Balance is obvious, but I agree that St. Ben's is clearly still the team to beat. Until Saturday I was convinced that Carleton was clearly the second best team, but after watching them play I don't think it's that definite. When you rely on four freshman to play as many minutes as they do, they are going to have games where they struggle. I was expecting more out of Oken-Berg than she showed me as well.

Right now I would rank the teams like this:
1. St. Ben's
2. St. Thomas
3. Carleton
4. Bethel
5. Concordia
6. Gustavus

I think these six teams will be the playoff teams and that St. Ben's will be the #1 seed. Two through six is a crapshoot though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 13, 2005, 09:41:35 AM
T-corn, glad you get my humor, not everyone does!!
I sure hope my Cobbers are one of the 6 left standing at the end.  I still am a little afraid of Hamline and Olaf popping in there at the end.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on December 13, 2005, 12:45:26 PM
I think the top 6 projections looks pretty solid.  The one team that I wonder about is Bethel, but that is probably is because I have not seen them this year. And they relied so much on the 3 last year. 

Peach- don't worry about the Cobbs. They will be just fine. I hope that we see more games in the style of last saturday, where we were running up and down the court and the game had a flow to it.  Mel was tough inside as usual and Keeley was lights out, and she almost had a triple double,  I think that that little mini slump is a thing of the past.  Also, Krabbenhoft has been a pleasant surprise, she has been deadly from 15 to 20 feet so far.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 13, 2005, 01:49:44 PM
CM

Yeah, that was me celebrating with my buddy from Cali after Fitzpatrick scored our only TD Sunday.  Needless to say, about the only highlight of the day.  Although it wasn't the outright debacle like the USC game was, five INT's by the "Haavaad" boy was brutal.

Didn't get to attend it but did see the score of the Carleton - GAC game on Saturday night.  The observation that I make as we head into the holiday break is that the MIAC is unusually balanced this year as there seems to be a lot of mediocre teams that can knock the other off on a given night.  I would include the Knights, GAC, UST, Hamline, Bethel, and Concordia in this group.  Unlike a few short seasons ago when you had three legitimately very good teams and everybody else, there isn't anybody who really stands out save CSB and I'm not sold on them being a real threat should they make the D3 dance.  Even St. Kate's has to be reckoned with now as well as they are not the pushover they once were.  It'll be interesting to see who can step it up after the first of the year. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 13, 2005, 11:36:16 PM
Carleton 50
Eau Claire 59

Pretty close game throughout with EC maintaining a small lead for most of the game.  Both teams made many substitutions and it looked like both coaches were working on things for the conference season.

Vig and Oken-Berg led Carleton. 

Both teams are similar in that they lost some key seniors and rely on freshman more than usual.  Each team has some nice freshman players that fans will have to keep an eye on.

I am a bit disapointed though.  I didn't get to see one of the famous "Tammy Tantrums!" ;D  She was pretty calm throughout the game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 14, 2005, 11:35:54 AM
the rams- I'd have to disagree with your thoughts about teams being a threat in the big dance.  Other than losing Kim Johnson and her HUGE contributions at the end of last season, the rest of the Blazer squad is probably more dangerous.

I'd also say that Bethel should be ranked above Carleton right now.  Carleton is (I hate to say) better coached, but Bethel has better athletes, and they're HUGE in the post compared to most D3 teams. 

Right now, I would say that CSB, Bethel, Carleton, and UST all have the potential to win a few games in the NCAAs, depending on the matchups and brackets.

Go BLAZERS!  Nice win last night for CSB, sounds like balance from our posts made the difference.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on December 15, 2005, 02:14:52 PM
Nice win for CSB on Tuesday (73-56 over Morris), especially since Anna Heikenen was out of the game with foul trouble most of the second half and then had the wind knocked out of her when she did return.  I think she played about 2 minutes of the second half and still ended up with 16 points and 12 boards in the game.  Kudos to Jamie Goehner who had her best game as a Blazer coming off the bench to score 12 points and grab 7 rebounds and block a couple of shots.  I think Jamie has been able to make the most of her minutes in every game.  She doesn't always score much, but she plays great defense, gets her hands in the passing lanes and doesn't back down from anyone.  Katie Kempe also had probably her best game so far.  She handled the ball well, shot well and took it to the basket, scoring 14 points.  I hope it all carries over to the games after Christmas.

Morris has a young, scrappy team, but they lack size.  Their point guard who comes off the bench is extremely quick and aggressive, but she plays a little out of control most of the time which lead her to some foul trouble.  The coach for Morris was the Big 10's leading rebounder in 2001, but that expertise hasn't quite carried over to her team yet.  I see Morris as an improving team though if she can recruit. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 15, 2005, 09:46:20 PM
Scorekeeper, What a nice surprise Jamie has been this year. Going into the year the center position was suspect but now with Jamie's play, along with a strong showing of Shrader, and Ellie Boone's return, it looks like one of our deeper positions. Although I didn't think Tauer player one of her better games in Morris, I still think she will be a dominating player by the end of the year. Maybe when Ellie returns we will have a force under the basket that will take some of the physical play off of Anna. I thought the officials were terrible in Morris with the no calls under the basket. Had we not had the strong play from Jamie we might have been in big trouble with poor 3 point shooting and the physical play allowed on Anna. It was a good win but could have been costly! :'(
Title: Re: MIAC MVP
Post by: Naf layor on December 15, 2005, 10:22:24 PM
Hello to all!  I have recently learned of this site and have enjoyed reading all of the messages.
I believe with Boone gone, that Anna H. will score more then when Boone returns.  Vig is a tremendous athlete, one of the best I have seen in D-III.  Ahlberg is a great shooter and ball handler.  These three should be the leaders for MVP.
My early vote though goes to Anna H. as she appears to have taken her game to the next level.  Without her the Blazers would not be the same team; third or fourth in the MIAC.

Question: Are there messages from last year and can they be accessed?
Title: Re: MIAC MVP
Post by: LA RAMS on December 17, 2005, 09:45:00 PM
I haven't seen AH play this season yet and I have seen Vig once so far.  Vig is definitely the most versatile of all the candidates mentioned.  She doesn't have the supporting cast she's had the last few years so it makes her job a bit more difficult.  I do think Opdahl could be a dominant player if she wanted to be but she just isn't consistent enough down low.   
Title: Re: MIAC MVP
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 18, 2005, 10:21:36 PM
No shock here, but I'm also tossing my three cents in.  (yes, I know I'm supposed to get 2, but I like shots from the arch better)

Anna H is the definite MVP of the MIAC so far.  No other player is contributing as much to her team as Ms. Heikenen, especially considering that every team CSB plays keys their defensive strategy one trying to stop her.

Vig is the central focus of opposing teams, but Oken-Berg certainly draws a lot of attention inside as well, and Anna's the only major threat in the post for CSB.

Anna's PPG average = 22.4
Vig's high point game this year= 20
Anna is ranked 1st in the MIAC in offensive boards at 4.57, 2nd place (Opdahl) is 3.57. Vig isn't in the top 15.
Anna is tied for 5th in steals, Vig isn't in the top 20.
Anna is 5th in field goal %, Vig isn't in the top 20.
Anna is 5th in overall rebounding, Vig is 12th.

The one category that Vig leads Heikenen is defensive rebounding, where Vig is ranked 6th, Anna's not in the top15.

I know, I know, stats aren't everything.  However, they certainly measure something.

Go Blazers!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 20, 2005, 06:38:08 PM
I've not seen either team play this season, but I saw both teams play GAC last winter and I've played a few times with Vig in open gyms. From that I'll try to draw a few simple comparisons/comments.

Vig is a much more versatile player. She played the point-forward spot a lot towards the end of last season and did so effectively - though this limited her scoring and offensive rebounding opportunities a great deal. I've no idea if that's still the case this year or if that's contributed to either stat being "down" this season. With that said, versatility doesn't mean she's the better player either. It's like trying to argue KG vs. Shaq. Both have some weaknesses, but both are quite capable of dominating the game in their own fashion.

The one stat that CM failed to mention was the head-to-head matchup and Vig got the only stat that counts in that one. If the Carls can somehow win the title - which I don't see happening, Vig should get the award. However, the odds on favorite thus far would be Anna, especially if CSB wins the title. Just win baby :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 20, 2005, 09:27:12 PM
If I may add my two cents, I think it does come down to Vig and Heikenin, although I think Alhberg is a very close third.  In my mind right now, without having seen AH play this year, I think she is the favorite.  I think they are both very similar players, being able to dominate because of their physical play and the mis-matches they create.  I think AH does a better job than Vig at taking over the game.  Vig allows other people to take the ball in key situations, while AH knows when her team needs her to take the shots.  That fact could be the difference in this race.

I still think Ahlberg has an outside shot of making this two-horse race a three-way contest.  And if Opdahl could find consistency, her name may pop into the conversation come February.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 21, 2005, 10:43:01 AM
Anybody have an explanation for why UW-LaCrosse (how the he!! are they 10-0, by the way) is the only MIAC or WIAC team anywhere in the top 25?

I'd be shocked if there are 35 schools in the nation, counting those who received votes but not a ranking spot, who would beat CSB, Bethel, Carleton, and UST.

The 2 losses must be the key number, but leaving the MIAC completely unranked is a bad sign that east coast bias might hurt us again come NCAA selection day.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 21, 2005, 01:50:49 PM
CM,

I, too, am disappointed by the absence of a MIAC team in the top 25.  In my own mind, I think CSB belongs in.  But, as I mentioned earlier, there just seems to be either a lot of mediocrity or balance in the conference; perhaps a nice way of saying the conference as a whole is down this year (a very recent former player at UND who knows the MIAC teams well admitted as much to me anyway).  I haven't seen any WIAC teams play and it doesn't seem that long ago when UW-LAX had a bad case of Detroit Lions disease.  However, one thing that I think is encouraging is that there is an influx of new, young talent in the MIAC; particularly at Carleton, CSB, UST, and GAC which leads me to believe that better days are ahead.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on December 23, 2005, 12:29:32 AM
CM, you stated that Carleton is BETTER coached than Bethel is, but Bethel has better athletes.  Why do you feel Carleton is better coached?  I think Tami is a great coach, but she has a 5 to 6 year head start with her program over Bethel.  She has players who understand her system to teach the new kids every year.  This is the first year Bethel has actually had EXPERIENCE as an assest for their team.  Bethel has always been well coached the past three years.  They just didn't have the experience or players to be as competitive as some of the other programs.  You might say that the Bethels and Carletons coaches are a tad better than CSB since they have restrictions on who they can go after, and they still can field teams that can beat or play with CSB.  They don't have the luxury of recruiting every player in MN much like Durbin and Co.  They have to find the precious few that fit their mold, and can play basketball.  After Coach Herbrechtsmeyer has been their another 3 or 4 years, then maybe you can talk about teams being better coached.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 23, 2005, 02:16:02 AM
Tommycorn- I disagree with you that Ahlberg is a close third for MVP...right now I would put Bri Monahan ahead of Ahlberg for third place...Ahlberg has a much deeper supporting cast than Monahan does and Monahan's stats are more impressive right now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 23, 2005, 04:01:15 AM
Gacbacker ~
point taken, I still think Jen's ability to score when necessary puts her ahead of Bri.  Monahan is a very good player, but the only time I saw her play this year, again UST, she continually passed the ball out of the block when you guys needed scoring in crucial times down the stretch.  If she's kicking it out b/c she thinks Vadnais has a better chance of scoring, that makes me think that Vadnais would be the most valuable on their team,  not monahan.  Granted, she was going up against Opdahl, who can be a presence down low, but still, if you're up for MVP of the league, I would think you would be at least the first option on your own team.  I don't know though, like I said, I've only seen her play the one game.

East Coach,

After watching Tammy's teams over the past 4 years, I can say without hesitation that she is the best coach in the MIAC.  Each year I look at the players they have and do not think they will be that good.  Vig is an amazing talent, but beyond her they had okay players.  They all had one thing in common, they played hard fundamental basketball.  The freeman twins were good, not taking anything away from them, but they would not have been as effective as they were, had they not been in carleton.  Bethel has a lot of talent this year, and from what I've seen thusfar, it is sorely under used.  Maybe this will change as the season progresses, and maybe I just saw a game where they weren't playing well, but the jury is still out in my mind about Herbwhater his name is coaching ability.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoops_fan on December 23, 2005, 10:41:13 AM
To tommycorn's point about Tammy being a good coach--no doubt she is.  She turned a cellar dweller into a conference contender in four or five years which clearly speaks to her ability to coach.  I don't know how many times she's been named MIAC coach of the year or has received WBCA honors, but it's enough to say she is one of the best coaches in the MIAC and Western Region. 

Tammy has a great way of turning good players into a great team, and I think that is why a player that goes to Carleton will always have a very difficult time ever being named MVP.  The focus is always on the team and not on the indivdual players.  That is something that Vig has embraced, and while I think she deserves to be named the MVP, she probably won't because of the team that surrounds her. 

St. Bens (with Anna this year and other teams in the past) on the other hand has had players through out the years that have become the focal point of the program and have been named MVP.  All have been good players, but it is a different approach than Carleton's teams in the past.

I wonder if we could get our top two or three candidates to just go one-on-one so we could really see their skills and how they compare with no other factors...that would be some entertaining basketball to watch!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on December 23, 2005, 06:17:10 PM
Tommy, you never cease to amaze me at how little you know.  Every GREAT coach knows how to turn average players into great players.  I'm not contending that Tammy is or is not a great coach.  She is very talented.  Yes the last four years they have been very good, although they are not average players playing great.  They may not be supremely athletic players, but they were all the smartest players on the court.  That's not very average to me.  I'll take smart players over athletic players everyday, and twice on Sundays. 

By the way, my name is East COAST, not East COACH.  Coach Herbrechtsmeyer has take at least three teams in his career from cellar dwellar, to conference contender.  One of which is Cornell College in Iowa.  A school very close to Carleton in admission standards.  No one has talked about the great athletes Bethel has had the past two years.  They are basically the same players this year with two additional huge posts.  Coach Herbwhatever may UNDERUSE his players in YOUR eyes, but his players need to buy into the team mantra as much as any one else.  I'm not trying to argue that BU has the greatest coach in the league, but they do have a very good one.  How else can you explain taking the worst team year in and year out for 7-8 years before he got there, and turning them into one of the top 3 teams in the league, and a team that could beat most of the top 25 if given the chance.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 24, 2005, 03:32:46 AM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on December 23, 2005, 12:29:32 AM
CM, you stated that Carleton is BETTER coached than Bethel is, but Bethel has better athletes.  Why do you feel Carleton is better coached?  I think Tami is a great coach, but she has a 5 to 6 year head start with her program over Bethel. 

east coast miac fan,

apologies on my proof-reading inabilities and also my lack of wisdom and knowledge in the sports realm, i am but a novice, and yes i have much to learn, and maybe one day i will see things clearly, at least i hope as much

i think as noted in your earlier statement that you were begging the question who was a better coach, Tammy or Herbrechtsmeyer (which i also need to apologize for, i am a lazy lazy person and meant no disrespect towards coach h.,)  i simply think tammy at this time is a better coach.  i think the bethel program is definately on its way up.  they finished in 8th place last season, and are playing good basketball this season thusfar, it helps having a dII transfer thrown into the mix.   if he continues to recruit as the past two classes, they should continue to improve.  and he deserves much credit for this improvement

It's hard to say who is a better coach, there are so many factors that are involved in determining that.  With that being said, if I had to pick one coach to coach my team out of the two, I would pick Tammy.  If you were the athletic director and had those two coaches as your options, who would you pick east coast?

I will in the future make an attempt to proofread all posts in the hopes that i will avoid annoying any of you fellow junkies out there...

happy holidays everyone:)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 24, 2005, 03:54:55 AM
to add one more thing,

bethel should be a top 3 team in the league at the end of the year, without a doubt, they have the talent, size, shooting, ability to get to the rim

they only have one loss in the miac schedule thusfar, but their two wins have come against st. kates (in ot, they were very fortunate to pull that one off) and augsburg, so it will be interesting to see how they fare against the top teams in the league,

bottom line, if bethel uses its weapons, they will be a tough team to beat
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 24, 2005, 11:54:04 AM
tommycorn - Just blame your editor. That's what I do when my stuff hits the newstands and it's got mistakes :)

I'm sure the CSB faithful have followed these already, but Frank the Tank at the St. Cloud Times has been asked to keep a running blog after the success of his SJU football run. Here's the link for anyone interested.

http://miva.sctimes.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?Web/FrankBlog
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 26, 2005, 03:28:22 PM
Nice article here by Patrick Reusse about Coach Metcalf-Filzen:

http://www.startribune.com/stories/508/5800360.html





Thanks for the advice Willy  ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 27, 2005, 12:26:01 PM
East Coast-

My my, a little touchy, are we?  Spelling coach H's name correctly happens less often than people spelling Heikenen correctly.  He's clearly a very good coach, and has a proven record of improving bottom dwellers.  I'm just not ready to annoint him with the greatness stick until he shows that he can stick with a program after having improved it.  It appears he might be auditioning for a spot at a higher level.

Quoting you: "You might say that the Bethels and Carletons coaches are a tad better than CSB since they have restrictions on who they can go after, and they still can field teams that can beat or play with CSB.  They don't have the luxury of recruiting every player in MN much like Durbin and Co."

Carleton and Macalester are the only two teams in this conference who can say that their recruiting is "restricted" by admission standards.  Of course, if that's your argument, then you have to also consider the fact that both of these schools do significantly more recruiting around the rest of the country, which could be seen as an advantage.  How many other states have the local competition for students/athletes like Minnesota?

If you can show me a SINGLE athlete in the past 10 years at CSB who wouldn't have been accepted for admission at Bethel, I owe you a steak dinner.  I'll have to e-mail you a coupon or something, but I'm not worried about paying this one.

The only restricition Bethel might have on recruiting is the fact that non-Christian students wouldn't be as comfortable there as Christian students because of the pervasive religious environment.

Before you call the Corny one uninformed, think more carefully.  None of us knows everything (except Frank the Tank)!

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on December 28, 2005, 08:57:39 AM
CM, do you really think that BU might only have a restriction with the Christian aspect?  I'd say that BU definitely has a restriction because of the Christian aspect.  It's not that non-Christian kids would feel uncomfortable, it's that they won't get in.  There's a lifestyle statement they have to follow, plus on the application, there are a lot of areas they have to fill out alluding to their faith.  If you have no faith, then how can you get in?  HMMMMM, sounds like a restriction to me.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 28, 2005, 10:55:42 AM
EC-  If you think that every single student at Bethel believes and upholds every word of the code and lifestlye statement, you're not thinking rationally. 

Ask anybody from MIAC schools who played against the dirtiest, cheapest, most foul-mouthed football team in the conference between the mid 1990's and 2003, and they'll testify that Bethel athletes aren't all "Christian".

For the record, I'm very impressed that coach H has been able to recruit the athletes he has, given the "code".  I just don't believe for a second that every single student at Bethel agrees with the college's point of view on religion.  I personally know a number of non-Christian students who Bethel actively pursued.  Not athletes in this case, but that was just coincidence. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 28, 2005, 12:37:36 PM
Bethel students DO have to sign a waiver of sorts before entering that says they won't engage is activities deemed "not Christian." They also have strict visitation rules. Rules are broken at every school, regardless of their nature, but those would seem like a solid deterrant to many as a high school senior.

What happened on the football field five years ago really has no bearing in this conversation.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 28, 2005, 07:49:59 PM
NCAA is naming a 25th anniversary team, 5 players and 1 coach.  There are two players from the MIAC nominated, Trow from UST and Beachy from Concordia, to vote go to this site:

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/fanpolls/1013
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on December 28, 2005, 08:05:14 PM
Having your daughter go to a Christian based college doesn't sound that bad to me and I'm still trying to figure out the "pervasive religious environment" statement.  I'm constantly amazed at the misconceptions that people have about Bethel; one foot on the floor, no dancing, etc...It seems that Coach H has to work harder finding Christian based athletes that can put aside the temptations of teenage life to commit to the Bethel lifestyle.  If I'm not mistaken St. Ben's advertises a Christian based atmosphere at their college.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2005, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: tommycorn on December 28, 2005, 07:49:59 PM
NCAA is naming a 25th anniversary team, 5 players and 1 coach.  There are two players from the MIAC nominated, Trow from UST and Beachy from Concordia, to vote go to this site:

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/fanpolls/1013

Yep, that project has been a fun one. When traffic picks up again after New Year's we're going to do a front-page story on it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 29, 2005, 10:29:57 AM
Naf - "If I'm not mistaken St. Ben's advertises a Christian based atmosphere at their college." -- that was my point exactly.  All MIAC schools are religiously affiliated, and Bethel is the most strict of them.

I'm just trying to dispel the myth that CSB has any recruiting advantage other than a very hard working head coach and a great tradition.

Willy- my point with football was to show that not every student and student-athlete at Bethel avoids "non-Christian" activities, but I'll admit that was a stretch.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 29, 2005, 12:12:52 PM
As long as the Strib is willing to write huge features about how Bethel (football) can want to "Take your head off and pray with you afterwards" - to paraphrase a quote from BU coach Steve Johnson about 4 years ago - the stigma about them being ultra-religious will persist. They've worked hard to create that angle, so it's silly not to let them bask in the ridiculousness of it.

That idea was a joke then and it remains a joke to this day. If I'm not mistaken, every school has religious affiliation in the MIAC - except no one else wants to beat you over the head with The Bible to make you see it. In a round-about way, I guess I'm trying to say I agree with CM :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on December 29, 2005, 04:20:48 PM
Hey Willy,

Is your sister a good player?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on December 30, 2005, 01:49:02 PM
One name missing from the MVP discussion is Hamline's Laurisa Ewert.  In games last season there were three players that as I watched, I said WOW! This kid is good.  They were Mandy Pearson, Megan Vig, and Laurisa Ewert.  Now, although my WOW method is unscientific, it has helped identify some outstanding players.  Ewert might not have the same talent surrounding her as Anna H., but she makes the players around her better.  One new player in the conference this year that I had the opportunity to watch for years in high school, that I would put into the WOW category, is Ariel Tauer.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 30, 2005, 01:55:35 PM
Willy- Don't forget the senior team captain middle linebacker that year who was proudly quoted saying "We praise Jesus by laying people out on the field."   ???

Ahhh, extremists...

Happy New Year to everybody, even the Tommies!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on December 31, 2005, 06:17:15 PM
The "Christian" discussion is an interesting one, especially when today we have a man leading our country who calls himself a "Christian", yet he has no problem sending my friends into combat, and seems to favor capital punishment.

Now, all you Christians, and every other belief, lets talk basketball...my Cobbers dropped a tough one today 74-76, but I am happy to see Annie kept up her stroke, dropping in 21.  M&G were, you there?  Can anyone give me an update?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 02, 2006, 09:16:46 PM
Dang, I missed today's predictions, so let's start with Wednesday's games:
1/4/2006 (Wednesday)
Concordia @ Carleton - a very interesting match-up!!  My team is young, and beginning to come into their own, and Carleton, well, they put a bit a fear in me, especially at home.  I say Annie keeps it going and Mel can't be stopped, my Cobbers by 5.
Gustavus @ Saint Mary's - should be the gusties by 11.
St. Olaf @ Bethel - The "real" Christians, I mean Royals, by 4.
St. Thomas @ Saint Benedict - the Bennies at home are too tough, they win it by 9.
Macalester @ Cal Tech - not sure what Cal Tech has, but does it matter???? The Techsters by a lot!!
St. Catherine @ Augsburg - the Augie Doggies are tough, and ready to bite, they win by 13.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 03, 2006, 12:04:01 AM
Interesting night as Bethel loses to St. Mary's, St. Ben's has trouble putting St. Kate's away in the second half and St. Olaf scores 56 points in one half to beat a slumping Hamline team.

Wednesday offers a great slate of games as all should be competitive and important to the conf. standings.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on January 03, 2006, 12:19:05 AM
The Bethel vs. St. Mary's game was an interesting affair.  Ahlberg and Davis were playing sick, Bethel was up by as much as 17 in the second half, Bethel stopped Luehmann in the first half, Bethel couldn't stop Luehmann in the second half, Thielke couldn't miss, Bethel pushed it inside early and rarely late, St. Mary's never gave up and took it to Bethel in the end.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 03, 2006, 08:57:44 AM
Great game last night (Bethel vs. SMU)!! I was actually expecting the game to be Bethel all the way...SMU is so young that I didn't think they'd stand a chance, especially with all this talk of Bethel being top 3 in the conference, etc.

I was pleasantly surprised. There were times when SMU had 3-4 freshmen on the court and it was actually their bench players that were key in their comeback effort. Some great 3-point shooting and clutch free throws got the game close and then the Cardinals were able to put the game away in OT.

Sick or not, I wasn't very impressed with Ahlberg. She still managed 10 points, but she really seemed to force some shots (inside and outside). I haven't seen Anna H. play yet this year (I will on Saturday), but have seen her in the past and she would definitely get my vote for MVP right now. Obviously, there's still lots of basketball to play...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 03, 2006, 10:17:06 AM
Welcome back 51, thanks for the insight on the surprise by the
Cards!  Ahlberg definitely forces shots, but when she's healthy, many of the "prayers" seem to go in. 

Predictions for tomorrow:

Cobs @ Carl -- Knights by 7, too tough at home
GAC @ SMU -- GAC by 3, young Cards hung over from big win
Oles @ Bethel -- Bethel by 9, fired up from upset loss
UST @ CSB -- Blazers by 11, too much pride, too much talent
Mac @ Cal Tech? -- Cal Tech by 75, will Mac ever win another game?
St. Kate's @ Ugs -- Katies by 3, they play to the level of opponents

Anybody surprised by Hamline's slump?  They need some new bunson burners by the fairgrounds or something, because the chemistry's always screwed up.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on January 04, 2006, 01:23:58 AM
Can't wait for the game tomorrow.  Let's see if this Tommie team is the real deal.  I think so!  And I'll take by 7.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 04, 2006, 02:49:12 AM
I'd love to see the Tommies pull it out in St. Joseph tomorrow, but I don't think it's going to happen. St. Ben's has too much depth for a top-heavy Tommie squad. St. Thomas is always in danger of having either Gotchnik or Opdahl getting in foul trouble and then being very thin inside. St. Ben's by 8.

I'd also like to see Carleton beat the Cobbers tomorrow, leaving only one team in the conference with one loss.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on January 04, 2006, 02:14:47 PM
Ye of poor work ethic...do some research.

Cal Tech is 0-10 losing by 43.3 per game.

MAC is 1-9 and losing by 38.8 per game.

I say MAC by 5.

oAs
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 04, 2006, 03:47:50 PM
OAS- Note that I said "another game", not "a game".   ;D

I hope the Scots pull it out, if for no other reason than the fact that their slightly less pitiful final record would end up hurting the rest of the conference's strength of schedule slightly less come NCAA selection time.

Go Blazers!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 04, 2006, 04:27:37 PM
The Gusties should come out fired up tonight in Winona. They are apparently planning a viewing of a young Willy Wonka in spandex performing gymnastics for the busride home. If that doesn't get them fired up, nothing will  :-[
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 04, 2006, 07:51:01 PM
Wish I could make it to a game tonight but decided to stay in the house to watch that "other" school in L.A. take on Texas in the Rose Bowl.  Hope the 'Horns hook the Evil Empire......

Did get to watch most of the CSB - CSC game the other night.  Clearly the Blazers are the best in MIAC right now with not only AH and a talented young freshman in Ariel Tauer but they're awfully deep as well.  Still, I was impressed with the strides the St. Kate's program has made this year as they kept it close with the Blazers.  With Jenna Martin back for them, they definitely have a shot at that coveted MIAC playoff spot.

I, too, was puzzled with Hamline getting bounced at home by Olaf.  Considering the talent they have it seems hard to believe that they still have not been able to put it together.

Nice little piece in Patrick Reusse's column in today's Strib about Hannah Oken-Berg and how she chose Carleton.  Hope she and the rest of the crew can turn around a so far dismal 5-5 season. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 04, 2006, 09:48:07 PM
Gusties win 70-58 in Winona. 29 turnovers for St. Mary's tonight, compared to just 10 for GAC. Vadnais dropped 23 and Monahan chipped in 16 and 6 in just 21 minutes. Her being on constant foul trouble could be a killer down the stretch, but a 17-0 run to start the second half made it easy tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on January 04, 2006, 11:53:58 PM
Anyone who doesn't think Jen Ahlberg deserves recognition as a an MVP candidate should have seen the Bethel vs. St. Olaf game tonight.  She put the team on her back and carried them to victory, mostly by hitting the "prayers" as CM puts it.  St. Olaf is a much better team then I was lead to believe by previous postings, they hustle more then any team I've seen and there defense against Bethel's bigger posts was outstanding.  In my opinion the MIAC is totally up for grabs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 05, 2006, 01:31:06 AM
Good to see that the Gusties cruised in the second half tonight...I took in the "game" in Arden Hills between Bethel and St. Olaf which was pretty ugly...take Ahlberg out of the equation and it would have been unwatchable.

Bethel isn't playing their best ball right now and St. Olaf couldn't hit the ocean in the second half. They started the second half 3-28 from the field...they got up to 23% in the second half by finishing 6-10.

St. Ben's wins by 20 and I'm assuming that Gotchnik was injured during the game as she played only 9 minutes and had no foul trouble.

By the way, thumbs down to the St. Ben's website which is perhaps the worst in the conference as far as getting box scores up quickly after games. They have no box score up right now for the Blazers three most recent games. Hire a full-time SID and let the coach coach.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 05, 2006, 08:53:13 AM
Loving life here in SD as I read about my Cobbers keeping the ball rolling! While Mel seemed to have struggled from the field, Annie has found her touch, and another bench player steps up to knock down 4 - 3's!  I know Carleton is a bit down, but it's another road win at a tough place to play.  Let's keep it up as we find ourselves on the road yet again this weekend...
1/7/06
Concordia @ St. Catherine - Cobbers by 4 in another tough environment, and perhaps a little road weary.
St. Thomas @ St. Olaf - can Opdahl continue to carry this team?  The up and down Oles are a team that could beat you by 20 and lose to you by 20...the Oles by 7.
Bethel @ Gustavus - the prodigal son goes home and finally beats his alma mater, Bethel by 11.
Saint Benedict @ Saint Mary's - a little let down after trouncing their rivals, the Bennies beat SMU by 11 in a game they should win by 31!
Hamline @ Augsburg - the Pipers have had time to pull it together, but can they????  The Auggies lose a tough one in OT last night, this one is a tough call, but I will continue with trying to get these ugs a win and picking the home team by 6.
Macalester @ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - CMS by 2.5 million
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: jamie_bench on January 05, 2006, 09:08:13 AM
At the Carleton game last night - Yes, Annie is a real deal!  And so are the Cobbers.  Perhaps this board looks for the spectaclar as the only thing that draws attention.   Going on the road to anyone's home, is usually a challenge.  The CC women played great defense, had a great first half with 3's although were down 12 - 3 at the onset, kept their pose and played within themselves.

Not sure why CC should not get more credit for being a solid team.  It seems that as they get together and recognize the strength of each other, they compliment one another and work as a "true team"  I think that is basketball.  Loved the game. 

There may be more parity in the league than in other years, who knows.  We have quite a bit of the season remaining, so keep the faith Cobber fans.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on January 05, 2006, 09:32:10 AM
MACALESTER BY 23!!!

Macalester 54 Cal Tech 31

oAs
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 05, 2006, 09:40:48 AM
The Blazers, other than a 5 minute spell in the first half and another 5-6 minute slump in the second, completely dominated the Tommies last night.  

Congrats to Erica Opdahl on scoring her 1000th point!  She dropped in something like 24 or 25 points, but they were the quiestest point total like that I've seen in a while.

The key for St. Ben's last night was great scoring balance.  Five players in double figures adds up nicely, and scoring runs like the 26-7 one they dropped on UST at the end of the 1st half really made the difference.

Sad news for UST's season.  Gotchnik went down with what appears to be a torn ACL or MCL.  She's a really scrappy defender and a great "energy" type of player.  Losing her late in the first half really slowed down the Tommies.

Anybody who saw the first CSB-CCM game this season is shocked  :o to see that the Cobbers only have that one conference loss.  Apparently the 1 1/2 monkeystomp (to use a D3 football board phrase) that CSB put on the Cobs must have fired that team up.  
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 05, 2006, 09:42:13 AM
Figured I'd post so I don't become that fan who doesn't post after their team loses. The SMU/GAC game was a tough one to watch...there was hope for SMU as the teams headed to the lockerrooms at halftime, with SMU only trailing by 3. A 17-0 run to open the second half blew the game open for the Gusties, as they went up by 20.

I have to give the Cardinals credit though, they didn't just roll over and quit. While they trailed by double digits for pretty much the rest of the game, they did pull to within 9 on back-to-back-to-back scores by Ashley Luehmann and 3 free throws by Kelly Tanke. Unfortunately for the Cardinals, the Gusties responded and closed the game out, winning by 12.

It was interesting for me to sit and watch the game amongst mostly GAC parents (in what I initially thought was a pretty neutral place to view the game--oops). WOW - they would find something to complain about even if their team was up by 50...

Anyways, I still have faith in my Cardinals to grab that 6th playoff spot. Go SMU!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: jamie_bench on January 05, 2006, 09:50:48 AM
Thanks "Magic"  for your clever comments.  And if your 1 1/2 monkey stomp kicked the Cobbers in "the but"  we are eternally grateful!!!   

Mush
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 05, 2006, 09:52:04 AM
I forgot to add my Congrats to the Pipers!

Macalester @ Pomona-Pitzer - two bad teams, Mac by 2
St. Thomas @ St. Olaf - Olaf rises up and pulls the upset by 3
Bethel @ Gustavus - Bethel by 4
Saint Benedict @ Saint Mary's - Blazers by 17
Hamline @ Augsburg - Hamline by 1, OT
Concordia @ St. Catherine - Katies by 2 in a last-second upset
Macalester @ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - CMS by 45
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on January 05, 2006, 10:00:02 AM
Magic--

I can't even get a congrats on my squads victory, after you predicted their opponent to win by 75.

Hold your snickering but I do expect Thompson to do some good stuff in the next three years.  Remember she is "making do" with a handful of players the former coach recruited for her.  I think when she is able to bring in her own style of player, MAC will not only return to a full MIAC schedule but also start climbing up to the middle of the MIAC pack.   Looking forward to her beating UST at UST one of these years.

oAs
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on January 05, 2006, 11:28:56 AM
CSB 75
UST 55

What appeared to be a game that would be neck and neck the whole way turned into a blow out because of one reason...Melissa Gotcnik got injured.  I came into the game thinking that Opdahl was the key to the Tommies success.  Well, little did I realize how improved Gotchnik is from last year and losing her to injury early in the game was as big of a blow to a team as I have seen in recent years.  Opdahl still scored 24 and grabbed 17 rebounds in an MVP like performance, but without Gotchnik as her sidekick, it was very difficult for the Tommies to have other options. 

I was also very impressed with the first year Jessica Katch.  Does she have a sister playing at Simpson?  Katch really picked up her play when Gotchnik went out, especially in the second half when UST cut a 20 point Blazer lead down to 9.  Of course, she also picked up a lot of fouls, as did her first-year teammate Wirtz.  UST has a very strong starting 5, but aside from Anna Swanson off the bench, they really don't have any depth.  If Gotcnik is done for the year, it will be a bigger loss than I would have realized before last night's game and quite a shame for someone who must have worked her tail off over the summer. 

As for the Blazers, Heikenen was held in check (she scored 15 points) as UST played some good post defense on her.  Of course, that was at the expense of leaving the guards open to hit jumpers from the outside and CSB was able to convert.  Jen Dalhed got the best of her former h.s. coach Ruth Sinn by nailing 4 baskets from behind the arc and Judy Falvey had a nice game scoring 9 points and grabbing 6 rebounds. 

I worry about the road trip to St. Mary's on Saturday as that has been a tough place for my Blazers to win in recent years.  If they can get by that game, it will be an enjoyable week off before coming back home to face Hamline. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 05, 2006, 01:49:34 PM
An interesting slate of games last night.  Had to watch the 'Horns put a dagger into the heart of the Evil Empire - what a game!  No tears on this end shed for crosstown rival USC although I did feel badly for Matt Leinart; I have a ton of respect for that guy....

If anyone heard that familiary whoosing sound going through the air last night, don't panic.  It was just the sound of Carleton's season officially going down the proverbial drain.  I just don't see how the Knights can turn this thing around now, even if the young ones finally do get it going.  Vig can't do it by herself and just from looking at the boxscore, she apparently didn't get much help from either Christianson or Korb either.  I am impressed with Oken-Berg but there's obviously a lot of growing pains for my Knights.

On a brighter note, I was pleasantly surprised to see the Gusties roll it up on SMU down the River last night in W-town (apologies to SS51  :).  Looks like both Vadnais and Monahan had it going.  Who knows?  I might just have to break out that 20 guage and go out to some local's farm and shoot me down a crow after all.  ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on January 05, 2006, 02:30:39 PM
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Leinart after the game!  Girl on the left is a Tommie, the right one's a Bennie!  :)

oAs
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 05, 2006, 05:00:36 PM
OAS- Only the Tommie would celebrity-chase that shamelessly. 

Congrats to the Scots, my bad.  :)  That's actually what I meant to type, but I couldn't believe I was actually saying it, so my fingers didn't cooperate, and I started thinking that Hamline might have won a game.  We all know that's a toss up on any given night anyway.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 05, 2006, 08:06:17 PM
she_scores51 - I've been asked by an offended party to contest your statement about GAC parents. I wasn't there, but this is what I was informed:

(Disclaimer: All MIAC refs are bad, without exception)

All four Gustie big girls had two fouls at the half. One ref was making every call. Refs who were badly out of position (a few there have reffed extensively and/or played college ball) and making calls or waiting for the SMU coach to complain before blowing their whistle.

Now, these are all pretty standard practice for MIAC officials and I'm sure you've got a few examples going against SMU as well. However, the following two examples are horrendous examples of officiating.

1) A ref called a delayed and-1. The whistle was not in the offender refs mouth and everyone on the court had turned and taken a few steps to the other end of the court before the call was made.

2) The fouled 3-point shooter was a phantom call. The Gustie guard jumped at her with an arm up with clear space between her and the SMU player. The whistle was blown and the call made.

A few GAC parents are bad - I'll agree - but, from what I've been told, there were plenty of legitimate things to yell about last night.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 05, 2006, 11:57:01 PM
Willy,

Tell your offended party not to be offended. The same argument can be made for SMU parents I'm sure, or parents of any other player anywhere. They are clearly biased one way or another, and for good reason. Therefore, they are probably going to be more vocal than the average fan (myself, for example).

I recall both of these points you've brought up:

1. This was actually one of the moments that stood out in my mind. The ref's whistle clearly either fell out of his mouth or something else out of his control (whistle malfunction?) caused the whistle to not work at the right time because, for those watching, his hand went up in the air right away to signal the foul and the whistle came later. He reported the foul to the scorer's table and then immediately went over to the GAC bench to explain what happened.  The ref and M. Haller were actually laughing about what happened. Meanwhile, certain GAC fans were still complaining about the late whistle (too busy complaining to be observing what actually appeared to happen).

2. I'm not going to argue this call, because I was surprised by it also. I chalked it up to "not having as good of a view as the ref". Who knows? Maybe there was some contact...

Basically, I agree with your "disclaimer" that all MIAC officials are pretty bad. Hence, the dominating ref making all the calls, out of position refs, etc. Sometimes though, you just have to sit back and accept the fact that they are bad and just watch the game. **A really easy time to do this is when your team is up by 20.**
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 06, 2006, 09:53:41 AM
CM - the bennie in the background looks a little ticked that Leinart picked the tommie.
WOW, Mac by 23, how bad is basketball in Cali?  Way to go scots, I would have never guessed 2 wins.
I can't believe there would be discussion about poor officiating in the MIAC ;)
The biggest complaint I would have with the refs is that they are getting paid to be that bad! 
Good luck to all tomorrow, especially my Cobbers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 07, 2006, 04:58:38 PM
Ahlberg for MVP? Not after today's performance against the Gusties.

2-13 to finish with 7 points and 5 boards. The Gusties trailed by 1 at the half, but led by 20 late. After the early season complaints of no balance to start the year, it's nice to see nine players with 5 points or more today.

gacbacker - Is Sviggum still starting? Her minutes have been very limited of late. And who's Emily Nelson? She's averaged 10 and 4.5 the last two games off the bench after not getting off the bench to start the year. Who's time is she taking?

It seems like some people's promises are worth more than others, eh LA?  :-*
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 07, 2006, 05:22:51 PM
63-33 Blazers over SMu today. It was a one point game at the half. I guess the blazers woke up in the second half.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 07, 2006, 07:03:44 PM
Great win for the Gusties and a bit of a demoralizing loss for Bethel today. The most impressive part of the victory was that they did it without Monahan for the last 10 minutes after she was run over by Cottner.

Emily Nelson is a difference maker...another player who can shoot, she plays great D and she pushes the ball up the floor on the dribble. Willy I would say she will take some minutes from both Boldt and Vadnais...give those two some longer rests and maybe they will have fresher legs in latter stages of the game.

Sviggum is still starting, but it appears Linbo has earned the majority of the minutes. Sviggum has been good as far as not turning the ball over, but so has Linbo and she gives the Gusties more offensively. Linbo was also very strong on the boards today with 5. Haller has also done a nice job lately of spotting Raymo a few minutes. She's not comfortable enough yet to get more than 8 minutes a game, but I like that Haller is giving her 5-8 a game.

Also it's great to have Consoer back...she gives great energy...also the best game of the season so far for Vicky Peterson.

Gusties COULD go into St. Joseph with a 7-2 record if they take care of business against St. Olaf and Augsburg.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on January 07, 2006, 08:19:46 PM
I had the pleasure of winding my way to Winona this p.m. to watch CSB and SMU. SMU did a good job of holding Heikenen down and the first half was close. The 2nd half CSB decided to start sending in a few from ouside and the game was over. I felt they continued to keep Anna ineffective but at the cost of the rest getting involved. SO-in reality-she was still effective.................

Enjoyed seeing my h.s. post player playing for SMU. Proves that players can excel in spite of what they have for coaching as a h.s. player.

Greatly enjoyed seeing and visiting briefly with Coach D. Tis what I love about sports-the great people I can claim as friends.

Also met the dad of a CSB player. Won't share whick player's dad but he too was pretty classy----I HATE TO ADMIT IT!!!!! :)

Happy New Year to all and travel with care.

RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 07, 2006, 08:33:32 PM
How about the Blazers allowing only 11 points to the Cards in the second half?  :o  Of course, most days that Macalester plays, the Scots are going to be the low point total.  They dug up 24 in a "close" loss by 20 out in Cali.

RC- good to have you back, I hope the meds are working.   ;)  Still looking forward to a butting of heads in person, and if you're in the Twin Cities when my Blazers are here for a game, it'd be a pleasure to trade barbs.  ;D

Go Blazers!



Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 08, 2006, 12:23:54 AM
Surprisingly easy win for the Gusties against Bethel today and coming against a team that was touted to finish in the top three no less.  Sounds like Mickey is spreading the wealth as much as possible and I have no problem with that.  By the way, who is this Emily Nelson kid anyway?  Sounds like she had a pretty awesome game today.  Also, did Monahan get injured seriously?  I sure hope not.  You would have to figure now that GAC should be able to collect a couple of more "W's" with St. Olaf and Augsburg before they have to travel up to St. Joe.  The only thing I would like to see is getting Boldt involved in the offensive mix a bit more rather than relying on 1-2 punch of Monahan/Vadnais.  Willy, looks like I might have to make that trip out to some local's farmy armed with my trusty Remington 20 ga. sooner rather than later though I think I'll have to get a bottle of white to wash the bloody mess down my pie-hole.  ;)

Did get to catch Hamline's win over Augsburg today with the Auggies doing their usual second-half flameout.  As expected, the MIAC refs stole the show with their normal level of horrendous officiating.  The team that has really surprised me right now is Concordia.  How they are doing what they are doing without Mandy is amazing when you think about what she brought to the table.  Thank God the Knights had the day off today.  They NEEDED a day off.

P.S.

Rumor has it that the jilted Bennie gal is now in the company of Drew Olson.  What else is a girl supposed to do when she's been scorned by a Trojan?  :D  

   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 09, 2006, 11:31:05 AM
Boy was I terrible in my picks for Saturday, just happy Mel and the Cobbers came up with the "W" at St. Kates!!  Let's see what's in store for Wednesday...

1/11/2006
Augsburg @ Concordia - the long trip, coupled with my Cobbers coming together are too much for the Auggies!  Mel dros in 20, and Annie gets 18. Cobbers by 16.
Bethel @ St. Thomas - I put a little faith in the "Christians" and they have come up short!  UST played well Saturday without Gochnick, but the question is, can they sustain?  This one will be interesting, Tommies get the edge at home, by 6
Hamline @ Saint Mary's - can Hamline solve their internal issues?  Can they solve SMU's match-up zone?  Mary's is tough at home, and if Luehmann can find her range, SMU should win by 7.
St. Olaf @ Gustavus - The Swede's vs the Norweg's.  Olaf has struggled their last two, so now they should be ready for a good one.  My upset special for Wed, the Ole's in a tight one, by 3.
Carleton @ St. Catherine - the Knights need to get on track, and it won't be easy in this gym.  An extra day to prepare gives Carleton the edge, they win by 11.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 09, 2006, 02:21:35 PM
Wed picks:
Ugs @ Cobs -- CCM by 12, Ugs are still ugs
Royals @ Tommies -- Bethel by 5, losing Gotchnik catches up
Oles @ Gaccers -- GAC by 9, Olaf's bad side shows up
Carls @ Katies -- CSC by 2, because you never know...
CSB vs. CSB  -- CSB wins this intra-squad scrimmage at the buzzer, when Ellie Boone, showing more signs of shaking off the rust from a semester abroad, sinks a half-court shot at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 09, 2006, 10:18:53 PM
Geez Peach, give my squad some credit will you. We beat Carleton and Bethel, what else do you want us to do. Maybe its wishful thinking on your part that the Gustie will fall to Olaf since we're right on your team's heels?  >:(

People seem to forget that we have two of the best five players in the conference.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 10, 2006, 03:10:35 AM
gacbacker - By the end of the year, I'm hoping to bring in Bootsy Collins to create a "Who Dey!" video :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 10, 2006, 11:23:37 PM
Yo GB,
Nothing personal, you just haven't won a "big one" this year.  Bethel and Carleton are wins you have to have, I thought the Christians were for real, but they aren't.  You win tomorrow in a convincing manner, I'll begin to believe.  Now, your comment regarding  2 of the top 5, that might be a stretch, 2 of the top 10, I might accept.  Hageman, Opdahl, Ewert, Vig, Heikenen, Keeley, Vadnais, Monahan, Ahlberg, Martin...that's a pretty solid top 10!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 11, 2006, 10:02:12 AM
peaches, I believe you've just started a new debate, well done!

Here's my top 10, in some kind of general order:
Heikenen, Vig, Ahlberg, Opdahl, Luehmann, Ewert, Monahan, Martin, Vadnais (Hageman, Oken-Berg, Keeley, others tied for 10th)

Any other lists out there?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 11, 2006, 10:49:10 AM
CM -
Whatever I can do to keep things fresh on this board!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 11, 2006, 09:44:10 PM
Gusties 82-55. Outscored the Oles by 12 in the first half and 15 in the second. The two top 5 players performed outstanding - Monahan with 32 and 11 boards and Vadnais with 17 and seven assists. Nelson continued her great play with 12 and 5 in 13 minutes.

The Gusties are now 7-3 overall and 5-2 in the MIAC. The only "top" team they haven't played yet is CSB, who resides right at the top. I'm not sure if they can compete with the waves the Bennies will throw at them, but who in the league can this year? It's time the usual suspects start giving the Gusties some respect.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 11, 2006, 11:49:58 PM
WW/gacbacker - props to putting it to the Oles! Now stick it to the Bennies, and we'll try to do the same!!
Carleton loses at Kates, Hamline escapes SMU, The Christians get the Tommies in OT, we take care of the Auggies.  The race is on, and hopefully not for 2nd place...The Bennies need to be prepared...
1/14/2006 (Saturday)
Gustavus @ Augsburg, 1:00pm - GAC by 11
Concordia @ Bethel, 1:00pm - Cobbers by 7
Saint Mary's @ St. Thomas, 1:00pm - Tommies by 4
Hamline @ Saint Benedict, 1:00pm - Bennies by 16
Carleton @ St. Olaf, 1:00pm - Carleton by 2
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 12, 2006, 01:31:11 AM
Whoa how the mighty have fallen: St. Kate's 63 Carleton 60...somebody tell me why Tammy is starting Korb and Dahl when clearly Isler and Lincoln are the better players.

Well not my problem I guess....

Monahan moves into second place in the conference in scoring tonight with 32 points and is right on Heikenen's heels for the lead.

After the last week I think there is the beginnings of some separation in the conference. After Gustavus' 15 point win over Bethel and St. Thomas losing Gotchnik for the season I think St. Ben's, Concordia and Gustavus have established themselves as the best three teams in the league.

However I think Bethel will beat the Cobbers in Arden Hills on Saturday. Concordia has won a lot of road games already in the first half of the season and I think they are due a loss.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cville on January 12, 2006, 10:52:23 AM
Anybody else notice this section on the last page? ;D

"Wed picks:
Ugs @ Cobs -- CCM by 12, Ugs are still ugs
Royals @ Tommies -- Bethel by 5, losing Gotchnik catches up
Oles @ Gaccers -- GAC by 9, Olaf's bad side shows up
Carls @ Katies -- CSC by 2, because you never know..."

Now, to pull out the crystal ball for Saturday:
Gustavus @ Augsburg,  GAC by 14
Concordia @ Bethel, Royals by 1
Saint Mary's @ St. Thomas,  Tommies by 2
Hamline @ Saint Benedict,  Blazers by 21
Carleton @ St. Olaf, Carls by 5
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on January 12, 2006, 10:57:55 AM
I've said it for several years but it is now safe to say but after last night...watch out for the "Upstart Wildcats."  Kudos to Kjar and crew for sending the Knights into an even deeper spiral ---- five straight losses ---- OUCH, OUCH, and quintuple OUCH!  Carelton better watch out or they may not make the top six --- they have a lot of tough road games left.  Tammy must be really scratching her head right now looking for answers.  When CSB played down at St. Kate's earlier this month she was at the game cheering for the Wildcat upset.  Well, she saw the Wildcats pull off the upset last night.  Then again, maybe it is not that big up an upset.  They better figure things out quick in Northfield before it's too late...if it's not already too late.  

I agree with the previous poster about a little separation in the conference.  I think CSB, Concordia, and GAC have shown they could be the top three.  Condordia has a few tests left in the first round --- I think they still have to play Bethel and UST.  GAC also must come to CSB yet in the first round.  We'll see how things shape up in the three upcoming games that will finish the first round of MIAC play...all I can say is that I am pleased with my Blazers right now and with the return of Ellie Boone on the block we got much bigger and stronger in the post.  It appears that the pieces could be coming together even more for the second half...  



Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 12, 2006, 01:53:23 PM
Got to watch my free-falling Knights drop a close 63-60 decision to those tricky St. Kate's Wildcats last night.  Too many turnovers, way too many missed opportunities, and the freshmen are still struggling save for Oken-Berg and maybe Lincoln.  This season sadly appears lost for the Knights and I just don't see this thing turning around anytime soon.  In all fairness, this is a St. Kate's team that is vastly improved from the last couple of seasons fueled primarily by the presence of perhaps the most underrated player in the conference in Jenna Martin.  Her play along with Sarah Schneider's ability down low and junior Erin Petrich make the Wildcats a definite playoff contender.

I was glad to see my other fav team, GAC, get an expected easy win against the Oles last night.  Monahan went off last night with 32 points while this Emily Nelson kid continues to shine.  I expect them to keep the beat going this weekend over at Augsburg.  However, a trip to Outback Steak House should be in the offing for the Gusties before they make the trek to St. Joe.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 12, 2006, 07:06:52 PM
Oh L.A...there, there now.  :'(  Don't get so down on your Knights yet. As one astute coach pointed out to me today, if Carleton gets in as the #6 team, that's a bad break for the #3 seed.

I was thinking today that of all of the teams in the upper half of the conference, the one that scares me the least is Concordia...I'm not sure why that is, maybe it is because they are getting it done with a true team effort....they really have nobody in the top 10 in any major statistical category. And I wasn't that impressed with them when they came to St. Peter and won by 2.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 12, 2006, 09:56:25 PM
"Geez GB, give my squad some credit will you."  We beat your team at your place, and have had some tough road games!!  Don't get me wrong, we barely beat Gac, but that was back when we were finding ourselves.  I think the reason we should scare you is that we do it as a team, and we've also had some fairly impressive individual performances within our team effort!!
You all take care of the bennies, we'll take care of our business, and let's have a three-way tie going in to the 2nd round.
Props to LA for coming around, now, where has the east-coaster and tommycorn been?  We'd like some of your banter!! 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 13, 2006, 12:54:05 AM
Just a heads up for anyone interested, especially the Bennie fans who don't make the drive up to Moorhead on the 21st. Next Saturday the undefeated and #2 ranked Fighting Sioux come to Cloud to face the undefeated and #6 ranked Huskies. Both teams are winning by roughly 30 a game, though UND has faced a stiffer schedule to this point. It should be a doozy.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 13, 2006, 08:50:24 AM

WW,

That game should be a barnburner to say the least.  When is tip-off time?  BTW, I saw a little piece in the Strib sports section the other day about your sister, Kristi, who is having a marvelous season for UND.  Congrats.  Wouldn't surprise me if they win the whole ball of wax this year

I'm much better picking college football games but I'll take a shot and give my pix for tomorrow's slate of action:

GAC over Augsburg by 13
Concordia over Bethel by 4
UST over SMU by 16
CSB over Hamline by 18
Carleton over St. Olaf by 7
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 14, 2006, 04:19:18 PM
Just got back from the Blazer/Hamline game won by the Blazers 80-67. It was a much closer game than the score indicates. Hamline has a nice looking team, especially Tschumperlin with tremendous speed and Ewert under the basket. Very fast team and very atheletic, CSB beat them with more depth and the triple threat post position of Boone, Shroeder and Goehner. Once Darby started hitting the three's ,and took some of the pressure off Anna, the game was decided. Great game CSB, keep it up.  ;D Oh, by the way, nice crowd from Hamline in attendance but wish they would sit behind the Hamline bench instead of right in the middle of the CSB fan area. ;) I guess this IS America and they can sit wherever they want! Fortunately Durbin keep his cool :P most of the game so they didn't have anything to complain about. ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 14, 2006, 04:28:26 PM
blazerguy: What teams will offer any competition for the Blazer chicks this year??? Or will the conference be a run away again?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 14, 2006, 04:47:34 PM
I really think Concordia has a terrific team and will give us fits on their home court. The key to our season has been our outside shooting opening it up for the post play. St. Marys triple teamed Anna and stayed with us until we hit from the outside, Hamline double and triple teamed Anna also and made it very difficult until we again started hitting a few three's.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 14, 2006, 05:32:10 PM
So if the shots aren't falling from deep and Anna is double and triple teamed we could be in trouble?? What does CON have for size inside??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 14, 2006, 09:37:08 PM
Not alot of size but a couple of good 5'10-5'11 players, Ehlert and Hageman if I remember right.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 14, 2006, 10:04:56 PM
A Gustie win over Augsburg and a Cobber loss as predicted by yours truly sets up a  showdown for first place in St. Joseph on Wednesday.  Two weeks ago I would have predicted a 10-14 victory for St. Ben's, but since then the Gusties have had strong bench production from Kenzie Consoer and Emily Nelson which makes me think the Gusties have a chance.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 14, 2006, 11:13:28 PM
Looks like my Cobbers had a horrible 1st half, 26% fg shooting.  We tied it up with about 30 seconds left, but just couldn't pull it off.
The games monday should be interesting.  I'd love to see the gusties help us out to get a 3-way tie for first vs. the bennies!
1/16/2006 (Monday)
St. Thomas @ Concordia - A big game for both teams.  Tommies can't "get 'er done", Cobbers by 11
Carleton @ Saint Mary's - SMU puts up 39 today, if they get to 55, they could win, but I doubt it!  Carleton by 7.
Hamline @ Bethel - the "christians" are on a role, can they keep it up?  I sure hope so, they win by 5.
Saint Benedict @ Augsburg - the auggies will make the bennies work for this one, it will be ugly, but the bennies will pull away in the end by 19.
St. Catherine @ St. Olaf - who will show up for both of these teams?  Oles need a W, and will figure things out at home on Monday, oles by 9.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on January 15, 2006, 12:03:36 AM
I've now seen all the teams in the conference play this year.  My top ten;
1.   St. Bens- To much at this point for rest of conference.
2.   Gusties – Playing better then they are at this point.
3.   Bethel – The meek shall inherit the earth.
4.   Concordia – No height to match some of the other teams
5.   St. Thomas
6.   St. Olaf – Better then you think, with room to grow.
7.   Hamline – Watch out for this team.
8.   Carlton – How the mighty have fallen
9.   St. Kates
10.   St. Mary's - How the mighty have fallen 2
11.   Augsburg

St. Bens is good but not clearly superior over the rest of the teams.  This should be fun. ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 15, 2006, 02:52:30 AM
i think CSB has more than any team in the conference. They appear to have this one in the bag. I believe they will win the ladies MIAC by at least 4 games. I think they will go 19-1 or 18-2.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 15, 2006, 02:55:30 AM
Well miacwatchmen, that is why they play the games and why what you think means very little.

On a sidenote, and sorry if I get a little politcal for a moment, I know it's a basketball board... but there is a story in Sunday's Star Tribune about "Christian" colleges and their skyrocketing enrollment...the story focuses on Bethel and Northwestern Bible College. The people quoted from Bethel actually had some less-than-normal-offensive things to say, but some quack named Ken Faffler from Northwestern had a doozy of a quote that I will just leave for you to ponder and choke on.

Faffler, Northwestern's director of admissions, said families look to schools like his partly because of nervousness about public schools.

"They see news about coed rooms, coed bathrooms ... political correctness, all that kind of stuff," he said. "I think people are getting fed up with it ... and saying, 'Geez, I'm not going to stick my son or daughter in that lifestyle.'"


Political Correctness! Oh no, not that, anything but that. Oh those crazy Evangelicals, always saying something that makes no sense...I guess when you have Pat Robertson as your ring leader....

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 15, 2006, 02:56:22 AM
I think the loss versus CAR was a  fluke. Blazerguy said CON would be a tough game but i really dont think so. The Bennies are too good a team to lose to the Cobbers. 19-1 or 18-1 wouldn't be out of the question for the Bennies.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 15, 2006, 03:02:35 AM
Thanks gacbacker and that is why the Bennies went to the national tourney last year........but i forget how far did Gustavus make it???? Oh yeh....12-8 in conference and 14-10 overall. Yeah thats a great record. Congrats on a great season in 2004-2005 but CSB beat you by 17 and 9 each game!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 15, 2006, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 15, 2006, 02:55:30 AM
Well miacwatchmen, that is why they play the games and why what you think means very little.

On a sidenote, and sorry if I get a little politcal for a moment, I know it's a basketball board... but there is a story in Sunday's Star Tribune about "Christian" colleges and their skyrocketing enrollment...the story focuses on Bethel and Northwestern Bible College. The people quoted from Bethel actually had some less-than-normal-offensive things to say, but some quack named Ken Faffler from Northwestern had a doozy of a quote that I will just leave for you to ponder and choke on.

Faffler, Northwestern's director of admissions, said families look to schools like his partly because of nervousness about public schools.

"They see news about coed rooms, coed bathrooms ... political correctness, all that kind of stuff," he said. "I think people are getting fed up with it ... and saying, 'Geez, I'm not going to stick my son or daughter in that lifestyle.'"


Political Correctness! Oh no, not that, anything but that. Oh those crazy Evangelicals, always saying something that makes no sense...I guess when you have Pat Robertson as your ring leader....


Funny how the spokesperson for the "christian" college swears in his quote. ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on January 15, 2006, 11:59:08 AM
I take exception to the negativity by our non-Christion posters about the comments in the STrib. Especailly from a St. Benedictine backer!!!??!!!!!! Being a born-again-Christian I know that the second coming is going to happen on the campus of Carleton, this will have an immediate impact on the female hoopsters and as on the third day, "My Knights Will Rise Again!!!" :)

Now to less serious "stuff,??!!??" Glad to see my Carletonians get off the turf and bound back. I think if I were teams in the MIAC I'd be "a hopin' and a parayin' that my team dosn't make the playoffs. Tammy has an excellent bunch and when their youth gets seasoned, they'll be tough. Besides--they do have that divine intervention i alluded to previously........Sorry forgot to take my meds,,,,:)

A good Sunday to all and travel with care.

RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on January 15, 2006, 01:10:56 PM
I keep seeing the quote from Carleton backers saying other teams better hope they don't meet Carleton in the playoffs.  I think they better be worrying about making the playoffs themselves first.  I just don't see it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cville on January 15, 2006, 02:45:03 PM
Thoughts from the CSB-Hamline game-- Hamline is a very athletic squad, but not as deep at the Blazers.  Ewert is definitely very dangerous around the hoop, and if the Piper guards produce, they could beat anybody in the conference.

CSB's defense caused a ton of turnovers, and the double and triple teams Hamline put on Anna (and she still scored 13), meant that other players were given more room to operate.  Any time teams collapse on Heikenen, one of the guards seems to get hot.  Noreen's 25 were HUGE yesterday.

Young-Kruse got along smashingly with the one legally blind ref at the game (his glasses were more like telescopes), and I occasionally wondered if MY-K's trench coat was hiding any WMDs.

Anyway, on to the wrapup of the first half of the MIAC season!  I predict, barring some sort of injury (god forbid for any team), CSB takes the team title.  Too much depth, too many options.

Go BLAZERS!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoop202 on January 16, 2006, 12:15:59 PM
 I was at St Bens game....  good game although the Blazers did have  the benefit of  6 players on the court - one wearing stripes .  Better put on some thick glasses of your own before making such a disrespectful  comment about the dress of a pregnant coach.... in case you did not notice the WMD  is a 'baby'.  Stick to hoops talk pal.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on January 16, 2006, 12:47:06 PM
Hey pal, as a father of 4 kids all of whom are through college I think the WDM acronym was pretty fitting. Oughta see my bank account!!!!!!!!!!!g
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 16, 2006, 05:44:24 PM
Y-K is expecting?  I thought it was better for pregnant women to avoid stress, not cause it...  There's no way her blood pressure stays at normal levels during the course of a game. 

hoop202- if you think the refs were biased toward CSB, and that gives you a reason to be happier about your team losing convincingly, then be my guest. 

Tonight's games... any predictions?

Carleton @ Saint Mary's--Carls by 2, just a hunch
St. Thomas @ Concordia--Tommies by 1, my weird pick for the night
Hamline @ Bethel--Royales with Cheese by 9
Saint Benedict @ Augsburg--Blazers by 23
St. Catherine @ St. Olaf--Wildcats by 14


Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 16, 2006, 10:08:59 PM
Cobbers take it to the Tommies!  A 6 point game at half turned into what looks to be a serious 25-point beating!  A true team effort, help from all!
WAY TO GO!! A HUGE win for the Cobbers! Now, I cheer on the Gusties this Wednesday...
1/18/2006 (Wednesday)
Concordia @ Hamline - scary game, but if we continue to play team ball, a win for the Cobbers by 7.
Saint Mary's @ St. Olaf - can the oles really be as bad as their record? I'll pick them by 9 in an ugly one!
Bethel @ Carleton - very weird outcomes from both of these squads!  Tammy's crew might be getting it, and if they are, they will cause havoc the second round, carls by 5.
Gustavus @ Saint Benedict - oh, how I wish!!! If the bennies continue to have former players officiating their games, (and/or Marty,) the rest of the league is in big trouble!! I want the gusties by 4, but I think the bennies have the 13 pt edge at home.
St. Thomas @ St. Catherine - the tommies have struggled at home, and the katies will press the young backcourt. CSC by 11.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 17, 2006, 10:41:12 AM
Wednesday night will be a big game for my Blazers.  I think the battle is won tomorrow based on rebounding and distribution of scoring.  If the Blazers limit second chances by cleaning the defensive boards, and control the ball on the perimeter, then it's CSB by 15.  If the Gusties get rebounds and narrow the well-spread Blazer scoring attack, then it's CSB by 6.  Either way, I think CSB's depth will pull through in a competitive game.

It was nice to see the Blazer starters get their due rest last night.  It's good to see no CSB player in the top 10 in minutes per game played.  With JV players seeing action in the first half last night and two regulars resting for the evening, CSB went into half time up 57-26.  The 29-point victory over Augsburg wasn't as close as the score would indicate. 

Interesting to see Hamline top Bethel and the Oles nip St. Kate's last night.  The middle of the conference is one of the most competitive groups I've seen in the MIAC in a while.  The down side of the unpredictable nature of the league is that it'll be tough to get two NCAA bids out of the conference.   

Wednesday's games:
Concordia @ Hamline-- Hamline's dangerous, I say Pipers upset Cobs by 3
Saint Mary's @ St. Olaf--rollercoaster Oles by 6
Bethel @ Carleton--Bethel by 5, the team of anti-streaks rises up on the road
Gustavus @ Saint Benedict--Blazers by 15, home court and students finally back at school mean good energy for a rivalry game
St. Thomas @ St. Catherine--Who knows?  I say CSC by 2
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 17, 2006, 02:57:25 PM
C-Magic: No Jen Dalhed yesterday in Minneapolis...just a nagging injury that needed rest against a bad team or something that's going to keep her out against the Gusties?

Not that it really matters...Mackenzie O'Neal and Falvey appear quite capable of picking up the slack.

One thing I will give the Blazers is that they always have plently of good shooters and they all seem to shoot the ball the same...much more than I can say for my Gusties...

I'm going to predict one of those low-scoring ugly games like the Blazers and Gusties were having a few years ago...not quite 43-42 when Kim Johnson choked on two free throws with no time remaining...but somewhere in the low 50's. 

Gusties win 55-52.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 17, 2006, 03:31:20 PM
Johnson pulled a Darius Washington? That must have been her freshman year in '95, cause I don't remember hearing about that...

The Gusties are looking for a "Room at the Top" but the Bennies aren't about to "Breakdown." GAC is clearly "Running down a Dream" but they still "(You) Don't know how it feels". Yet. Don't expect them to "(I won't) Back down." CSB is expecting to put the smack down and say "Don't come around here no more" but once the Gusties "Learn(ing) to fly" they could be making the trek up north come late Feb to make sure CSB's reign "Won't last long."

Hey, "Even the losers" get lucky sometimes, right? :)

(Jeez, I have too much time on my hands...)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 17, 2006, 04:33:16 PM
 ;D Just got the news that Marty, Robin and assistant coach Denny johnson will the the referee's tomorrow night.  ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 17, 2006, 07:42:32 PM
Willy, the Johnson choke episode happened during your time in 2002-2003, you probably don't remember because you were busy helping the Gusties to the final four.   ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 18, 2006, 08:56:09 AM
I'll try my hand again at tonight's slate of games:

Concordia @ Hamline - By no means a shoo-in game for the Cobs; I think they find a way in the end to pull it out by 3 or 4 but it's a tough one.

SMU @ St. Olaf - I say Cards by 5 but who knows?

Bethel @ Carleton - I wasn't that impressed with the Royals when I saw them in action the other night.  I'm not sure if the Knights have "found" themselves yet but my gut feeling says my Knights by 8 at home.

UST @ St. Kate's - A suddenly slumping Tommie team minus Gotchnik taking on those always tricky 'Kitties.  Was somewhat surprised with them dropping one to St. Olaf the other night but I think they get the job done at home.  Kate's by 5.

GAC @ CSB - The marquee matchup of the night.  My heart says the Gusties pull off a huge upset but my logical mind seems to somehow tell me differently.  What worries me is that CSB might have their way down low pounding on Monahan as much as possible.  Still, if the Gusties can find a way to create enough turnovers with their trapping defense and take the CSB guards out of their rythym they've certainly got a shot.  Hope they can do it.  CSB by 10 in a game much closer than the score would indicate.

Just after we lose a great one in Jack Snow I find out that my L.A. Rams have lost another one in Ron Jessie.  R.I.P. No. 81.  :'(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 18, 2006, 10:40:21 AM
gacbacker- Jen Dalhed and Jamie Goehner were both resting some bumps and bruises they got on Saturday against the not-so-subtle Pipers.  I would think that they'll be ready for tonight, but I'm certainly not anywhere close to that decision.  The lucky thing for us Blazer fans is that our team depth can make up for injuries more easily than most squads.

If tonight's game is in the low 50's, I would consider that a low scoring, ugly game.  I'm thinking high 60's or low 70's for CSB, and about 10-15 less for GAC, depending on how many extra free calls the Blazers get from the obviously biased, cheating, blind, and home-town refs.

Good luck to all, let the best team win, and nobody else blow out any knees this year!!!

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 18, 2006, 12:46:27 PM
A sort of Cobber reunion tonight at Hamline. 

I am sure it will be wierd for the Cobbs to see Mandy Pearson on the opposing bench. Also I would think they know that saturday presents a big game vs the Blazers. However I am confident that Coach Rahman wil have the ladies focused to go and get a road win tonight.

The Cobbers are really starting to play an exciting brand of team basketball.  It makes it fun for the fans to watch, as they do not know who to expect the next big play from.  Not to look ahead but I have a good feeling about the Blazer game saturday.  Go Cobbs!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoop202 on January 18, 2006, 02:19:16 PM
 Usually calls go both ways but that was not the case in that game. In any game, my motto is- the outcome of a game should be decided by the players, not a poor ref.

Stress...??? Some people think coaching is rewarding... I did. And take it from a parent ..... raising a child is a whole allot more stressful than a little ball game.....   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 18, 2006, 08:46:13 PM
Big game tonight in St. Joseph. Blazers vs. the GAC ladies. I got the Blazers by at least 20. The GAC ladies just dont have what it takes to stay with the Blazers tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 18, 2006, 09:08:21 PM
I stand corrected GAC 31-29 at the half over the Blazers...... :-[
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: miacwatchmen on January 18, 2006, 10:05:06 PM
71-70 GAC on the last shot of the game. I know absolutely nothing about this sport any more I quit posting here!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 18, 2006, 10:29:20 PM
Okay, a special thanks to the gusties!! Now it's on us, after a big win at Hamline, I hope the youngsters are up to the test!

1/21/2006 (Saturday)
Saint Benedict @ Concordia - this will be tough, but I think Concordia might have the best coach in the league, and the best "team", although the gusties are knocking on that "team" door!!  The Cobbers take this one by 4.
Macalester @ Bethel - the "Christians" put the fear of God in the lack-luster macluster!  Bethel by a whole lot!!
St. Thomas @ Carleton - the knights get back at the tommies, they can't figure out Carleton's D, the Knight's win by 12.
Gustavus @ Hamline - the gusties try not to have a let down after a huge win, and the pipers make it tough, and the gusties squeak it out, by 6.
Augsburg @ St. Olaf, 1:00pm
Saint Mary's @ St. Catherine, 1:00pm
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 18, 2006, 11:55:15 PM
Great win for the Gusties tonight and just a great game period...both teams played very well in the second half.

Bri Monahan is now officially a major contender for MVP...if she's not the leading candidate, she's second to maybe Heikenen.  She had 26 tonight including the winning basket.

Also a huge night for the freshmen Emily Nelson and Ashley Raymo...they outshined the Blazer freshmen Tauer and Carter tonight...it wasn't even a contest.  Nelson with 8 points and huge free throws down the stretch...Raymo with 9 points including a big three when the Blazers were threatening to put the game away early in the second half.

Heikenen and Noreen were very good for the Blazers, but personally I thought Kempe stunk up the joint tonight...3-13 from the field and one of her makes was a banked in three.

Big games on Sunday as GAC goes to Hamline and St. Ben's and Concordia clash.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 19, 2006, 09:34:34 AM
Congrats to GAC on winning a game that neither team deserved to lose.  The Heikenen-Monahan duel was a thing of beauty, and makes me wonder what could have been if Bri had stayed enrolled at CSB instead of jumping ship to follow her boyfriend the summer before her first year...

I think the key to the game was GAC's rotating double-team pressure.  They do a great job of swarming to the ball at key times during a possession, and disrupted the Blazer offense just enough to pull out the win. 

Looks like a three-team battle for the #1 seed in the second half, with the next round coming Saturday! 

GAC will struggle with Hamline, and CSB will struggle with the Cobs.  I'm still convinced that the Blazers have the best team (all 3 overall losses by 1 point each), and I hope that the game last night fires up CSB for the rest of the season.  I still haven't seen the Blazers put together a full 40 minutes of consistent basketball, and once that happens, watch out!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on January 19, 2006, 12:26:17 PM
I have not been posting as much this season but if I get back in the swing I don't want to be accussed of only posting when my Blazers win.  I was also at the game last night and it was a rather fun contest ---- a nice battle down to the wire.  Heikenen and Monahan were both impressive.  Monahan should be an MVP candidate ---- in my mind she is tied at #2 with Opdahl.  Obviously, I am biased and think Heikenen is the MVP after the first half of the season but there is a lot of basketball left!

I give a TON of credit to GAC - they played exceedingly well and deserved the win.  CSB was rolling up by 9 in the second half and playing the way they are capable and then they regressed and just let GAC back in the game.   My Blazers committed too many turnovers and many of them were self-inflicted and not really due to GAC pressure.  Also, CSB was disappointing defensively in the post as GAC repeatedly got opportunities inside that CSB has not let others teams have much of this season.  CSB probably played their second-worst game of the year (next to Carleton) and they were still there at the buzzer...

I will say that CSB fans and players should not be overly concerned about this loss.  The games we have lost have all been by one and the Blazers have played poorly while the other team has played exceedingly well.  I remember just last season when the Blazers lost two embarrasing games in January and another one in early February and many were dismissing them.  I would rather lose a game or two here and save the best for the end of the season. 

GAC has many tough road games left and must face CSB again...and I know the rematch will be eagerly anticipated.  GAC --- enjoy the win, celebrate, and be happy.  Be sure to overlook Hamline on Saturday --- that will be an easy win so just ignore them and keep celebrating your CSB victory! 

On to Concordia for a tough road game.  CSB has lost in the regular season up there the last two years but got a big win up there in the playoffs last year.  Should be fun and I wish I could be there but work calls and I will be traveling on Satruday...

Safe travels and GO BLAZERS!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 19, 2006, 01:53:39 PM
BOOM!!       BAWWWWWKKKKK!!     GULP    YECHH!

OK WW, Gacbacker, et al.  I did it.  I finally decided it was time to shove that ubiquitous crow down my pie-hole once and for all and just get it over with.  Obviously, GAC is a much, much better team than I thought they would be and I dare say better than even what you guys would have thought at the beginning of the season.  Who'd have thunk they would go up to St. Joe and stab a dagger into the Bennie ship?  But they did just that.  Only wish I could have watched that battle last night.  Must have been a beauty.  Needless to say, they're in.

Meanwhile, down in Northfield, my Knights spanked a Bethel team that was, in all fairness, OVERRATED (clap clap clap clap clap) pretty much from the get-go.  Bethel may somehow steal that #6 spot before it's all said and done but this was not a team destined to finish in the top three of the MIAC.  Are the Knights finally beginning to gel?  Maybe.  I must admit I was somewhat astonished when I saw that it was Biewen who led the Knights in scoring.

I was also impressed with Concordia when I watched them claim a tough 7-point win over Hamline last night.  Pretty solid down low and they really didn't let Ewert do much of anything.  All I can say is that CSB better bring their "A" game when they face the Cobs on Saturday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 19, 2006, 02:35:35 PM
I know I'm not going to win this argument...but when you post after a loss that the loss doesn't mean that much because your team played one of its worst games...that makes absolutely no sense. It may be true, but it's implying that the other team had nothing to do with the fact that your team played lousy. As if all the Blazer errors last night were unforced. Right.

As for MVP...everybody can make a different argument that makes sense why one person should be MVP over another, so here goes: I ask you where would the Blazers be without Heikenen? Probably still in the top 3. Where would the Gusties be without Monahan? Maybe a .500 team?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 19, 2006, 11:46:57 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 19, 2006, 02:35:35 PM
I know I'm not going to win this argument...but when you post after a loss that the loss doesn't mean that much because your team played one of its worst games...that makes absolutely no sense. It may be true, but it's implying that the other team had nothing to do with the fact that your team played lousy. As if all the Blazer errors last night were unforced. Right.

As for MVP...everybody can make a different argument that makes sense why one person should be MVP over another, so here goes: I ask you where would the Blazers be without Heikenen? Probably still in the top 3. Where would the Gusties be without Monahan? Maybe a .500 team?
Are you always this paranoid. CSB played terrible in the first half, of course they were forced errors but the fact remains that they played terrible. The second half was better by BOTH teams. GAC made the plays down the stretch and deserved to win although I would have liked to see a replay of Noreens "travel" with .4 seconds left.  :-\
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 19, 2006, 11:52:25 PM
Is it common practice for Durbin to avoid postgame handshakes with opposing teams? Or is that just after losses?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 20, 2006, 04:46:45 AM
Or perhaps just losses when the Blazers play their worst game of the year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 20, 2006, 11:09:44 AM
gacbacker, is that a tongue in cheek I see with that last post??

It's interesting when someone posts something contrary to a bennie-belief, you are crazy, wrong, or even paranoid...Gustie fans, I may need your support when I become paranoid after the game tomorrow.

I am very excited to open up round 2.  I am going to try to road trip and get to the game tomorrow, I am so excited to get out of So.Dak. and see my Cobbers!  A couple huge games this weekend that have a whole lot of meaning!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 20, 2006, 12:54:35 PM
people, people, people...

St. Ben's didn't play its best game of the year on Wednesday, that can't be questioned.  GAC was, far and away, the main cause of that.  However, in a one point loss, I would be brave enough to say that the Blazers missed more opportunities than the Gusties did, and didn't execute as well as we expect them to (other than Heikenen).  I'm pretty sure, as I know this person well, that "blazerball" wasn't claiming the CSB errors were unforced.  ::)

Peaches, we here in central Minny hope that you get to chew on your tongue all day long tomorrow.  After the way the Blazers THRASHED the Cobs to open the season, I would be pretty nervous as a Concordia fan.  Heck, I'm nervous about the game as a Blazer fan, but that's because I won't be able to attend the game and watch CSB place a game between themselves and you guys.

Here's to a great second half of the season, with close games, no injuries, bad reffing, heated discussions here, and two Blazer conference victories (regular season and playoffs).  We're a lucky bunch of chumps who get to watch some of the greatest student-athletes our state has to offer build great memories and even better college degrees.

Go BLAZERS!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 20, 2006, 02:46:21 PM
Per Peaches request, I will make an appearance on the board.  I have my own team to run right now, so it's a little tough to get on here on a regular basis.  Looks like there are a lot of surprises going on in the MIAC this year.  Gustavus was definately underrated, under statement I know.  Bethel, to this point, has been over rated.  Too many kids without a lot of game experience asked to be major contributors.  Not an excuse, just a fact.  Hamline is good but bad chemistry keeps them from being a major threat, that's not a surprise though.  St thomas was strong, but seems to be fading.  St. Kate's is playing D?  When did that happen?  Carleton is down, but may not be out.  Lots going on. 

I will now update my top six predictions.

1. bens
2. gac
3. concordia
4. carleton
5. bethel
6. st thomas
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 20, 2006, 03:25:04 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 19, 2006, 11:52:25 PM
Is it common practice for Durbin to avoid postgame handshakes with opposing teams? Or is that just after losses?
You obviously weren't at the game or you were too busy celebrating. Durbin walked straight over to the Gustavus bench at the buzzer and shook hands with the coach. Bad losers are one thing but bad winners are even worse! >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 20, 2006, 03:46:57 PM
peach - I got your back :)

blazerguy - Perhaps I was spoiled by Mark Hanson. He shook hands with opposing PLAYERS after the game, regardless of the outcome. Ask the Bethel posters about it on the guys side - he went into their locker room and gave them a little speech when they upset us at GAC in the MIAC playoffs a few years back. I was told that Durbin couldn't even stomach walking through to shake GACs hands Wednesday.

Perhaps he has a different way of dealing with things (ie. his non-handshakes are common practice even after wins, making this a non-issue), thus my question. Is that normal for him - when the rest of his staff DID shake hands - or were there some sour grapes on his end?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 20, 2006, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 20, 2006, 03:46:57 PM
peach - I got your back :)

blazerguy - Perhaps I was spoiled by Mark Hanson. He shook hands with opposing PLAYERS after the game, regardless of the outcome. Ask the Bethel posters about it on the guys side - he went into their locker room and gave them a little speech when they upset us at GAC in the MIAC playoffs a few years back. I was told that Durbin couldn't even stomach walking through to shake GACs hands Wednesday.

Perhaps he has a different way of dealing with things (ie. his non-handshakes are common practice even after wins, making this a non-issue), thus my question. Is that normal for him - when the rest of his staff DID shake hands - or were there some sour grapes on his end?
The burr in your saddle must really be hurting. I don't know who Mark Hanson is nor do I care. Some coaches shake hands with players after every game, some don't ever shake hands with players after games. Are you some kind of mind reader, or professor of body language, in that you can tell what a person is feeling, thinking or going to do, merely from being,"told", from I'm sure completely unbiased GAC fans, what Durbin did or didn't do after the game. The only sour grapes are your continuous shots at Durbin which must be from envy of his success over the years. So, to answer your question, no sour grapes on Mikes side, he handled the very tough loss in his normal classy and dignified manner!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 20, 2006, 06:43:06 PM
With a sibling on the team - who everyone on this board seems to know about except you, and four national tournament appearances under my own belt, I can claim friendship with current players and coaches alike without a hint of jealousy - except the fact that they can still play in the Gustie uniform. Maybe you should find some tighter pants to wear and stop worrying about my "unbiased GAC fans" as source material? :)

You sidestepped my question very neatly with the personal attacks though, so I'll repeat myself. Is that Durbin's typical postgame routine? Does he avoid shaking players hands at all times? If so, that's completely fine - if a bit weird - but it just seems strange when, as your fellow mentioned, he recruited Monahan to the point of her nearly stepping on campus and then couldn't/wouldn't/didn't offer any type of congratulations after she lit him up.

To get back on the topic of something useful: the MVP race should be a doozy the rest of the way. Heikenen and Monahan have almost identical stats. Points (192-191) and a few rebounds (70-65) both favor the Bennie, but Monahan is shooting 4% better and leads by slim margins in steals and blocks.

Assists and turnovers can't be right on the CSB website (it says Heik has 3 and 6 on the year), so I won't compare those. If it ends this close, whoever leads her team to the title will win the award.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 20, 2006, 09:13:30 PM
Okay, in my estimation, it's a 4-way race, statistically for the MVP:
Anna - 52% fg, 47% 3fg, 75% ft, 7.4 rbs, 6 ast, 11 tos, 26 stl, 19.4 ppg (if you look at last year's assist stats, she is ahead of where she was a year ago - team's probably shouldn't player her to pass!!!)
Bri - 55% fg, 31% 3fg, 74% ft, 6.6 rbs, 15 ast, 27 tos, 14 blks, 19.2 ppg
Erica O - 48% fg, 50% 3fg, 76% ft, 8.6 rbs, 11 ast, 41 tos, 17.9 ppg
Mel Hageman -  50% fg, 79% ft, 6.5 rbs, 17 ast, 35 tos, 14.2 ppg
We must of course consider Vig, who is very unselfish, but beginning to change that a bit.
I have to agree with Willy, the team who wins it, their player should get the nod for MVP! Go Cobbers! ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 21, 2006, 04:05:08 AM
Saturday's Predictions:

CSB at CON: Blazers play second worst game of the season - Cobbs by 4
GAC at HAM: The Gustie Alum curse continues as the Gusties are 10-0 all time against Herby and MYK - Gusties by 11
UST at CAR: Two young teams battle it out - Knights by 8
AUG at OLAF: The Auggies are bad...real bad - Oles by 12
SMU at KATES: Blah - Kate's by 6
MAC at BETHEL: Slumping Royals' prayers come true - win by 31
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 21, 2006, 10:27:25 AM
[quote author=Willy Wonka link=topic=4152.msg464431#msg464431

Is that Durbin's typical postgame routine? Does he avoid shaking players hands at all times? If so, that's completely fine - if a bit weird - but it just seems strange when, as your fellow mentioned, he recruited Monahan to the point of her nearly stepping on campus and then couldn't/wouldn't/didn't offer any type of congratulations after she lit him up.
Quote
I can't tell you what Mike's typical routine is, I haven't see him in every game, I also don't know what his relationship is with opposing players that he may have recruited. I can tell you he is a coach with the highest standards and a classy person that would never refuse to shake hands. Evidently I'm the only poster on the board that doesn't know your storied past. ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 21, 2006, 11:00:38 AM
Funny how a simple question about sportsmanship can turn into such a hubbub huh? Apparently CSB posters can make accusations and point fingers without any personal knowledge (Carleton earlier this season), but no one else can speculate on such things.

That's okay if you don't know my background, BG. CM doesn't know Monahan's background, but he posted like he did anyway. Assume away.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 21, 2006, 03:51:36 PM
Concordia 78
St Ben's 69
Mel and Torri dominate the bennie posts!
Mel for MVP!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 21, 2006, 10:24:17 PM
Bri, Bri, Bri for MVP. Sorry Peach, Hageman is playing well, but not Monahan-like. 31 points and 14 rebounds today making her a shoe in for player of the week after dropping in 26 including the winning basket against the Blazers.

Monahan moves into 1st place in the conference in scoring after today. Should be an interesting game in Moorhead on Wednesday...I would expect a few more points to be scored this time around.

So Blazer fans, was today the worst game of the year for your team or does the Gustie loss still rank first in that category?
Who would have thought that Heikenen and company would be sitting in third place this late in the season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 22, 2006, 02:03:41 AM
Ahhh, the blessed sound of silence! Congrats Cobbers! My dad will be up for the huge game Wednesday, if only to gloat about being on your Wall of Fame.

Two points for peach:

1. When considering conference awards, only MIAC stats count. There is a "Conference Only" link on the MIAC page to show those apart from the nonconference games.
2. Your girl looked good on the bench today.

Gusties came out sloppy today against Hamline, but went on a 11-0 run towards the end of the first half to pull away. In the ever-fluid MVP race, Monahan has to be the current leader with her recent play, but Hageman is right on her heels. Bri outplayed Mel last time, but the Gusties came out on the short end of the stick in that game. The losses - and fact she was outplayed in back-to-back games - drop Heikenen in my book. It should be a great finish for the MIAC title and the MVP.

With the Carlies winning today, the Bennies are now facing a lifeless gym at Olaf Wednesday and an improving Knights squad who already defeated CSB this season. Could we be looking at a 4-game slide and 4th place finish?

And, for the Bennies who now have bigger problems than an unsportsmanlike coach, I'll close with some classic Petty...

"I'm a bad boy, cause I don't even miss her. I'm a bad boy for breakin her heart ... and I'm freeeeeeeeeee - free fallin!"
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 22, 2006, 08:42:22 AM
WW,
Let me jump on this one before a bennie-fan calls you something worse than you called yourself, Petty, oh how petty! Whether intentional or not, GREAT double-meaning!
???When you say "my girl" are you refering to MYK???
Thanks for the stats note. Now, another question, along with MIAC stats, is the player's head-to-head statistics considered when voting.  What I mean, is their performance head-to-head vs. other potential MVP candidates/top teams in the league? Mel vs Anna, Erica, Bri, Bri vs Anna, Erica, Mel... Those are interesting stats to pull!!

1/25/2006
Saint Benedict @ St. Olaf - Bennies are struggling, but not that much.  Oles can't figure out the Auggies, so they WON"T figure out CSB, the gals from St. Joe's by 13.
Carleton @ Hamline - this one's tough.  Hamline's talented, but has a fair amount of internal strife.  Carleton gets along off the court, and is starting to figure out on-court "togetherness", they pull it "together" in a tight one by 6.
Gustavus @ Concordia - another great battle, that I predict we see one more time in the MIAC championship.  The Cobbers who, "aren't that scary" are young, and at home.  They hand the gusties and WW's dad a "L" by 7.
Macalester @ St. Thomas - UST needs a win, and Mac comes around at the right time.  The best thing to look for in this one is will the Mac coach speak to the girls who requested her not to be their next coach at UST??
Augsburg @ Saint Mary's - Auggies, back on a roll and win one in a row, have to go to SMU, a tough road-trip, but I'm picking the doggies by 3.
St. Catherine @ Bethel - Bethel's roller coaster continues, Ahlberg wakes up for this one, and is too much for the katies. Bethel by 11.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 22, 2006, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 22, 2006, 02:03:41 AM
Ahhh, the blessed sound of silence! Congrats Cobbers! My dad will be up for the huge game Wednesday, if only to gloat about being on your Wall of Fame.

Two points for peach:

1. When considering conference awards, only MIAC stats count. There is a "Conference Only" link on the MIAC page to show those apart from the nonconference games.
2. Your girl looked good on the bench today.

Gusties came out sloppy today against Hamline, but went on a 11-0 run towards the end of the first half to pull away. In the ever-fluid MVP race, Monahan has to be the current leader with her recent play, but Hageman is right on her heels. Bri outplayed Mel last time, but the Gusties came out on the short end of the stick in that game. The losses - and fact she was outplayed in back-to-back games - drop Heikenen in my book. It should be a great finish for the MIAC title and the MVP.

With the Carlies winning today, the Bennies are now facing a lifeless gym at Olaf Wednesday and an improving Knights squad who already defeated CSB this season. Could we be looking at a 4-game slide and 4th place finish?

And, for the Bennies who now have bigger problems than an unsportsmanlike coach, I'll close with some classic Petty...

"I'm a bad boy, cause I don't even miss her. I'm a bad boy for breakin her heart ... and I'm freeeeeeeeeee - free fallin!"
You seem to be enjoying yourself. Go ahead take your shots now while you still can. Petty people do that! :-* There's a long way to go!! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 22, 2006, 07:01:39 PM
Enjoy the quiet while you can.  I haven't actually heard anything about the game other than the few story lines (biased on both parts) on the respective Blazer and Cobber pages.  Was anybody actually in Moorhead for the game?  Any real analysis, or just premature celebrating?

Don't forget what happened last time CSB went into the playoffs as the 3 seed.  Last season finished how? Oh yeah, Sweet 16.

I would guess that the biggest problem for the Blazers right now has been re-working the rotation, now that Boone is getting back in game shape.  Having another talented post player is certainly great, but this fan's hypothesis is that, without a concrete lineup and sub pattern, some of the players might not be settled into their roles yet.

I don't see the 2 game losing "streak" as an issue right now, but I certainly would have been happier had my favorite squad come out on top of at least one of the last two games.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 22, 2006, 08:16:42 PM
CM - The time before last CSB entered as the No. 3 seed, GAC sent them home early and you missed the tournament entirely despite being ranked in the top 10 at the end of the year. You may still emerge as the top dog, but the higher you finish the better, obviously. GAC and CC both control their own destiny at this point. Who would you rather be?

peach - You are a Cobber fan, right? Why would I mean MYK then?

Head-to-head stats matter, but it's really up to the coaches as to how much - it'd be just one of the criteria looked at I'd imagine. If, say, Durbin felt Heikenen and Monahan were tied at the end of the season, there's a good chance he's look at their stats against each other. Assuming Monahan wins the next matchup, I'd think that'd push her ahead of Heik, even in Durbin's eyes. Then again, maybe that's just me.

My top three MVP criteria would be: stats, teams record (reflecting leadership and personal effectiveness) and head-to-head play against other top contenders. This year may be unique in that I'd assume the top four candidates all spend time significant time guarding each other.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 22, 2006, 11:25:38 PM
WW - MYK started her career at Concordia, that's why I wasn't sure who you were talking about when you said "your girl looked good on the bench today."
That's all.
I too would like to be a "Petty" fan, and start "running down a dream!"  Go Cobbers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 23, 2006, 03:52:06 AM
Although she's not in my top 3 right now, watch out for Vig to make a push for MVP here in the second half of the season.

For some reason I just have a feeling that the Knights might have a strong second half and Vig could emerge.

As for the Gusties, to give you an idea of how good Monahan and Vadnais are, Monahan is on pace to break the Gusties all-time career scoring mark by the end of her senior year. And then Vadnais is on pace to top Monahan the following year.

That tells you that if this team can continue to get strong production from its role players that it has a chance to do something special not only this year, but next year as well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 23, 2006, 08:59:48 AM
Nice wins Saturday for both the Knights and the Gusties.  Did get to catch most of GAC's relatively easy win over a suddenly struggling Hamline squad that has looked good at times this year.  Though I think it's premature to be handing anyone the MVP trophy right now I'd give the edge to Bri if I had to do it.  There is a lot of ball left to be played, though, and I suspect both AH, Megan Vig, and probably Melanie Hageman to be in the mix before it's handed out. 

A couple of tough losses for CSB but it would be a huge mistake to think they're down and out - at least they didn't duplicate their Stalingrad-like effort last year when they got rolled by 30+ down in N'field by my Knights.  Would love to see the Gusties steal a huge one up in the Red River Valley region by beating the "Corn" but logic would have the Cobs holding serve at home.  This second half is going to be VERY interesting.

Willy - Got up to St. Cloud Saturday night to watch UND hold off SCSU.  Kristi was just money in the home stretch when things got a little tight.  Think I got my money's worth.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 23, 2006, 10:54:17 AM
Willy- there's never anyone I'd rather be than a Blazer and Johnnie fan, regardless of record.  CSB was the 3 seed last year, and beat Concordia and Carleton on the road in the MIAC playoffs.  Is your selective memory working its magic again? 

I'd be happier for the team if the Blazers had won the past two games, but that doesn't mean I'd rather be a GAC or a Cob.

It's premature to say the race is down to two teams, because we've already seen that (nearly) any team in the conference can lose to (nearly) any other team.  I'm not willing to say that Carleton, UST, Hamline, and Bethel are going to roll over and die when playing CSB, GAC, or CC-M, and you never know when St. Kate's or St. Olaf will get lucky on a given night.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 23, 2006, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on January 22, 2006, 07:01:39 PM
Enjoy the quiet while you can.  I haven't actually heard anything about the game other than the few story lines (biased on both parts) on the respective Blazer and Cobber pages.  Was anybody actually in Moorhead for the game?  Any real analysis, or just premature celebrating?

Don't forget what happened last time CSB went into the playoffs as the 3 seed.  Last season finished how? Oh yeah, Sweet 16.

I would guess that the biggest problem for the Blazers right now has been re-working the rotation, now that Boone is getting back in game shape.  Having another talented post player is certainly great, but this fan's hypothesis is that, without a concrete lineup and sub pattern, some of the players might not be settled into their roles yet.

I don't see the 2 game losing "streak" as an issue right now, but I certainly would have been happier had my favorite squad come out on top of at least one of the last two games.





CM-  Although I am a Cobber fan, I was at the game in Moorhead and I will try to keep my comments as unbiased as I can.

Hageman absolutely dominated inside, especially in the first half, I think she had like 19 and 8 after the first 20 minutes.

Elhert came up huge, 15 and 12, and the combination of her and Mel was too much for Anna, Boone, and the other Blazer posts, especially on the boards, as the Cobbers converted a lot of their Off. rebounds into points.

I think 3 pt shooting played a role in the game.  Noreen and her compardres didn't shoot the deep ball very well and Keeley's two 3's in the last couple minutes were absolutely nails in the coffin of CSB.

The difference between this game nad the 30+ blowout to start the year can partly be contributed to the Cobbers playing at a faster pace than they had been, also I think that they were still trying to figure each other out at the time of the first game.

Anyway it was a good win by the Cobbs, and I am hoping for another one wednesday vs the Gusties.  CSB is a very good team, and I agree with the poster who said the league is even enough that every game will be interesting, that is what makes it so much fun to follow the MIAC.  Go Cobbs!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 23, 2006, 12:58:03 PM
CM - GAC and CC control their own destiny. That's a fact. If either wins out, they claim the title. CSB can't claim that, thus the "who would you rather be comment." Verstehen Sie mich?

When I said "The time before last," I thought it was clear I wasn't talking about last year. If my semantics was poor, the context alone should have brought up bitter memories to tell you that which I was referring to. But, so we're clear, that'd be 2002-03 and CSB lost in the semis at GAC, failing to get into the tourney despite a sparkling 24-3 record and Top 10 national ranking. Comprende?

Interesting sidenote to my quick research: CSB has lost in the MIAC semis two of the last three years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 23, 2006, 05:48:15 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 23, 2006, 12:58:03 PM
CM - GAC and CC control their own destiny. That's a fact. If either wins out, they claim the title. CSB can't claim that, thus the "who would you rather be comment." Verstehen Sie mich?

When I said "The time before last," I thought it was clear I wasn't talking about last year. If my semantics was poor, the context alone should have brought up bitter memories to tell you that which I was referring to. But, so we're clear, that'd be 2002-03 and CSB lost in the semis at GAC, failing to get into the tourney despite a sparkling 24-3 record and Top 10 national ranking. Comprende?

Interesting sidenote to my quick research: CSB has lost in the MIAC semis two of the last three years.
My my your bitterness and gloating just continue on and on. You seem to be stuck on trying to run down the Blazers and Coach Durbin. Go ahead if it makes you feel better.  :-\ I am, for what is worth,  ??? very impressed with the strong showing this year of almost all the clubs. Although the Gusties, Cobbers and Blazers seem to be the cream of the crop, I am very impressed with the squads from Hamline and Bethel but more importantly I think the players from all schools are showing great effort and sportsmanship. I am really enjoying the season, as Tice would say, and think the rest of the way will be a blast!! ;D The only negative at all this year, to me, is the erratic officiating and Macalaster still not back to full MIAC status. Go Blazers!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 23, 2006, 07:31:10 PM
Willy, willy, willy...

I thought, apparently over-estimating, that you and I had no beef.   ??? 

The 02-03 season was a long time ago for these players.  Anna H is the only Blazer left from that roster, and she was only here for only half of that season.  I'm going to be bold enough to say that last year is more important to the current rosters' collective memory than college games played when most of them were in high school.

Anyway, I'm not arguing semantics with you, that's no fun.  No me puedes respuestar en Espanol la vez proxima que hablamos?

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 23, 2006, 07:32:01 PM
Oh yeah, and THANKS M&G!!  I wish I could have been there, sounds like I missed a great game.  If only Moorhead wasn't so darn far away.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 23, 2006, 07:50:07 PM
CM - I try to have beef with everyone, otherwise these boards get boring. No offense meant :)

More important than my Petty swipes at CSB...have you all checked out the latest rankings? Not one MIAC team received even a single vote :'(

I think it's safe to say only one team will be making the tourney at this rate, making home court advantage that much more important come MIAC tourney time...

I know it's very premature, but does anyone know when the first regional rankings come out? I'm sure it's on the site somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for it :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on January 23, 2006, 10:37:20 PM
At the mid point of the season some thoughts for a few teams;

Hamline – Turn Ewert loose and have her attack the basket.  She is a rare talent, let her show it.

Carleton – Good team with a senior star.  Start Oken-Berg, Lincoln, and Biewen; your better with these girls on the floor.

St. Ben's – With as good as Heikenen is the team vulnerable without her.  Whoever said that Ben's was still a top three team without her is way off.  Do it for her NOW!

Bethel – Post up with two girls at a time (3-2). Not many teams will be able to guard two six footers at once and it will open up the outside shots.

Gustavus – I don't know how your doing it because I'm not that impressed.  Maybe Bri is really that good.  The smoke and mirrors appear to be working though; keep it up.

St. Olaf – Build around the twins.  There is a lot of talent in the MIAC from the Classic Lake high school conference.

Concordia – Very good coaching from what I can see.  It help to have players like Hageman or Pearson; but maybe these players are coached to the best abilities.

St. Thomas – Look for a big drop off next year without Opdahl.


Beam me up Scotty!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 24, 2006, 09:02:40 AM
Congrats to Mel, (and Bri,) MIAC players of the week.

Capt. Kirk - I think your perspective on the league is pretty (that's pretty, not petty,) good. Overall, the league is very average, where 5 or 6 years ago the top teams were competing at the National level, that's just not going to happen right now. 
The reason why some teams are having success that others, who are equally talented aren't, I believe, is coaching and heart.  Ewert should be the player of the year, based on talent alone, physically, that girl is a specimen, but there's something missing!  Anna's a very good player, but she doesn't have the supporting cast the bennies have had in the past.  Bri is good, Mel is good, but better, is the situation each of their coaches continue to put them in.
Don't get me wrong, I love the competitiveness of this league, I just long for the days when we were sending potential NCAA Champions into the post-season, it just made everyone else so much better.  For now, I get fired up for the conference, and it's tourney, and for whomever represents it in the post-season!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: randle on January 24, 2006, 07:26:49 PM
MIAC is down this year?  When was the last time ther wasn't a to 25 in the nation team from the MIAC for a month ? (Don't think ever) As far as why look at the NWC 'It's call defense.  Few teams that lose a game in the 70's can blame it on anything but defense.  CSB is down over 20% in total rebounds from last year (10th out of 11 teams) got to be worth a point or two. Yes your Mel and Bri are having very very good years no one is playing any D in the league thus  far.  CC and GAC lost a lot from last year, but seemed to have found the answer to get it done. It is a team game. If it wasn't MAC and CSC would have had the Player of the year the past few year (Excluding last year MP won it hands down).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on January 24, 2006, 10:52:20 PM
Quote from: James T. Kirk on January 23, 2006, 10:37:20 PM

Concordia – Very good coaching from what I can see. It help to have players like Hageman or Pearson; but maybe these players are coached to the best abilities.



I'm not sure if you are referring to the last couple years as a whole, but Pearson is no longer in school. Maybe you meant Keeley?  Or maybe I'm just really picky.

Anyway.............A great balanced race so far which will hopefully lead to a action packed finish to the regular season and to a great post season.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 02:10:34 AM
Does anyone else think randle is on crazy pills? That hurts my head trying to figure out what he/she's trying to say...

CSB has to be cheering for GAC tomorrow night, right? Or have my belligerent posts made that impossible? :) Regardless, it should be a great game. I'm hoping to have two sources up there, both Cobber alums, so I should have some thoughts tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 25, 2006, 02:44:15 AM
Willy I agree...if Randle went to an MIAC school I'm positive it was Augsburg.

On the eve of the big game, what will be the keys?

1. Obviously the Monahan/Hageman match-up. How will the teams adjust if one starts to dominate and will foul trouble be an issue.

2. Bench play. Gustavus has a huge edge here, at least in the scoring column. The GAC bench has averaged over 27 points per game in the last 6 games (all wins). Does Emily Nelson have another double digit performance in her?

3. Coaching. Both staffs are emerging as two of the best in the conference. The Gustie bench came up with the right call in a last second situation at St. Ben's.

4. Home court edge obviously goes to the Cobbers and the Gusties have a long bus ride.

Gustavus 66 Concordia 61
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 25, 2006, 08:53:27 AM
I seem to be getting better at this so I'll try and keep a good thing going.......

CSB @ St. Olaf - Bennies get back on track by 14

Carleton @ Hamline - My Knights by 8 in a tough one

MAC @ UST - Tommies by a bunch (25 - 30+??)

Augsburg @ SMU - Redbirds handle current cellar dwellars by 12

St. Kates @ Bethel - I like the Kitties by 5 here; don't ask me why

GAC @ Concordia - Both teams playing very well right now (oh yeah they're
only tied for 1st place!).  I'd love to see the Gusties pull off a HUGE road win
and they COULD do it.  But I think the Corn will be hard to beat in their crib
and I think the Gusties will get back on track after this one anyway.  Cobbers by 6.

Food for thought:  I realize the conference may be not as strong as it has been in the last few seasons.  Still, with the expanded tournament taking effect this season would it be out of the realm of possibility for 2 teams, maybe 3,  to get into the Dance?  Thoughts........Impressions?   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 25, 2006, 09:37:58 AM
Since when did conference parity equal a weak conference.  I seem to remember just last night, that the SO CALLED EXPERTS, picked the Big 10 and Big East as the strongest men's basketball conferences because any one can beat any one else in the conference.  No, I think the strength of the conference comes from the ability to beat other conferences.  The MIAC will always be one of the top 5 conferences in the country, and I definately think they are better than the offensively challenged NWC, RANDLE.  MN kids know how to play offense, it's not a lack of defense. 
Take it from someone who sees DIII basketball in a different part of the country and has been in the MIAC, and you'll understand why the MIAC is not weak.  At least give credit to the lower teams who have finally stepped up their efforts recruiting.  There are more good teams, not just three that beat up on everybody else.  Top heavy conferences do not equal strong conferences. 

And one last thing, I'm pretty sure ST. Bens is still getting votes in the top 25.  There just isn't any one IN the top 25.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 25, 2006, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: randle on January 24, 2006, 07:26:49 PM
MIAC is down this year?  When was the last time ther wasn't a to 25 in the nation team from the MIAC for a month ? (Don't think ever) As far as why look at the NWC 'It's call defense.  Few teams that lose a game in the 70's can blame it on anything but defense.  CSB is down over 20% in total rebounds from last year (10th out of 11 teams) got to be worth a point or two. Yes your Mel and Bri are having very very good years no one is playing any D in the league thus  far.  CC and GAC lost a lot from last year, but seemed to have found the answer to get it done. It is a team game. If it wasn't MAC and CSC would have had the Player of the year the past few year (Excluding last year MP won it hands down).


Okay here are some facts. Conference scoring this year is at 63.9 pts/game. Here are some average scores from the past 5 years:
04-05=66.8
03-04=66
02-03=63.4
01-02=66.4
00-01=67

Now realize that from 00 through 03-04 the teams did play MAC twice. But also realize that MAC was by far the lowest scoring team in the conference, so it really balanced out the averages.  I guess I really don't see the argument that "Lack of Defense" is to blame for the conference being "down" 

Evidently in the past years when we have had teams go into the NCAA tourney and do well, it was when the scoring average was higher. So does that mean that there was even less defense being played in those years??  Please Randle, help me become unconfused.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on January 25, 2006, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on January 25, 2006, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: randle on January 24, 2006, 07:26:49 PM
MIAC is down this year?  When was the last time ther wasn't a to 25 in the nation team from the MIAC for a month ? (Don't think ever) As far as why look at the NWC 'It's call defense.  Few teams that lose a game in the 70's can blame it on anything but defense.  CSB is down over 20% in total rebounds from last year (10th out of 11 teams) got to be worth a point or two. Yes your Mel and Bri are having very very good years no one is playing any D in the league thus  far.  CC and GAC lost a lot from last year, but seemed to have found the answer to get it done. It is a team game. If it wasn't MAC and CSC would have had the Player of the year the past few year (Excluding last year MP won it hands down).


Okay here are some facts. Conference scoring this year is at 63.9 pts/game. Here are some average scores from the past 5 years:
04-05=66.8
03-04=66
02-03=63.4
01-02=66.4
00-01=67

Now realize that from 00 through 03-04 the teams did play MAC twice. But also realize that MAC was by far the lowest scoring team in the conference, so it really balanced out the averages.  I guess I really don't see the argument that "Lack of Defense" is to blame for the conference being "down" 

Evidently in the past years when we have had teams go into the NCAA tourney and do well, it was when the scoring average was higher. So does that mean that there was even less defense being played in those years??  Please Randle, help me become unconfused.


Those stats are SOLID.

Here's another set of stats. Assuming that the DI level is proportionally better equally on both ends of the floor.

MIAC Women    63.9 pts/game/team =  127.8 pts/game both teams  = 3.2 pts/min
NCC Women      71.7 pts/game/team = 143.4 pts/game both teams = 3.6pts/min
Big Ten Women 62.7 pts/game/team =  125.4 pts/game both teams  = 3.1 pts/min

I'm not trying to say that the MIAC women have better offenses......please don't jump to that conclusion.  But if DI and DII is proportionally better on both sides than 63.9 pts/game isn't out of whack at all. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 06:38:53 PM
SOLID - I have a sister who stars in the NCC. The SCSU coach was recently quoted as saying she's the best player in the conference. I've seen 20+ games over the past 4 seasons. Given that UND got spanked by a good Gophers squad last season and my sister was a relative non-factor in the game, there is no comparison.

Let's just leave these inane angles of comparison for the off-season when we're all bored. We have MUCH more important things going on in the MIAC to worry about such things, like tipoff for the conference lead in less than 10 minutes.

Assuming I can find a webcast and/or can get people on the horn, I'll be posting some updates and comments throughout the night.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 06:54:54 PM
Gusties up 8-0 early at a CC timeout. Some Boese girl hit a 3 as the shot clock went off. Cobbers with 4 straight TOs to start the game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 07:00:43 PM
Yuck, sounds like an ugly performance by the Cobbers thus far.

11-0 with under 14 to play. CC has 7 turnovers and have only gotten off 3 shots by my unofficial count.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 07:19:46 PM
29-18 Gusties 3:24 left. Cobbers playing a lot better now. Vadnais with 10 to lead all scorers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 08:06:17 PM
Wow! Cobbers battle back to take the lead on 2 FTs by Hageman...the Gusties rallied back to take a 51-46 lead on the strength of FY PG Raymo's 3 and dish for a layup. Sounds like a great game thus far.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 08:14:32 PM
Cobbers up by 3 with just over 3 minutes to play. GAC has missed a bunch of FT down the stretch, rendering its early presence in the bonus moot.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 08:18:17 PM
Hageman for a basket to push the lead to 5, but Nelson, who's playing in crunch time for perhaps the first time this season, drained a 3 after 2 or 3 offensive rebounds for GAC. 62-60 with a 1:35 to play, Cobbers ball.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 08:21:09 PM
Keeley missed 3, Vadnais missed a wide open 3 for the lead. Apparently a questionable foul called on Monahan when Ehlert fell to the ground on the rebound - made 1 of 2 FT.

63-60 with 47 seconds to play, GAC timeout.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 08:22:30 PM
Emily Nelson with her second HUGE 3 in the last few minutes to tie things up!! CC timeout, one second difference in the game/shot clock.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 08:25:28 PM
Raymo missed a steal and Heintz hit an easy jumper from 10-15 feet for the lead with 5 seconds left. Gusties made some weird subs after the last timeout. You absolutely CAN'T go for a steal and not get it in that situation.

65-63 Cobbs, GAC timeout.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 08:28:03 PM
Consier to Raymo to Nelson...time runs out. Gusties don't even get a shot off :(

Congrats to the Cobbers on what sounds like a great game and may lock up the conference title.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 25, 2006, 10:16:18 PM
Looks like a great 2nd half for my Cobbers - 63% fg shooting! Mel 17, Bri 11, Mel for MVP!!!!
Hopefully no hiccups from here on out, especially this weekend!!
1/28/2006
Hamline @ St. Thomas - Tommies get revenge and win by 11
Concordia @ St. Olaf - hopefully no let-downs after a very emotional game, Cobbers by 5
Bethel @ Augsburg - the Christians slip up and lose to the rugged Auggies by 7.
Carleton @ Saint Benedict - Bennies get 'em back at home, win by 9
Saint Mary's @ Macalester - Mac scores 35, Mary's 42
Gustavus @ St. Catherine - Gusties struggle to pull out an ugly 12 point win.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 11:28:21 PM
peach - Sounds like it was a great game. Wish I could have been there. I have some questions/comments/concerns for you.

1. How were the refs? The GAC announcer was ripping them all game and it sounded like there were some blatant missed calls both ways. Was the foul by Bri late in the game on a rebound a good call? If not, that's a possible 4 point swing late in a tie game...

2. The Cobbers defensive strategy worked like a charm. Every time Bri touched the ball, it sounds like she was surrounded. For the girl leading the conference in shots to finish with 8 (she's averaging 15), the doubling down tactic worked as designed. Hard to fault Monahan for kicking it out, but GAC finished an ugly 5-19 from the arc.

3. Hageman was nonexistant in the first half, missing both her shots in scoring 2 points. However, she seemed to make every play down the stretch to finish with 17 and 7. A solid MVP choice right now.

4. Sounds like the last 30 seconds were a mess for GAC. An interesting lineup on the floor playing defense and play drawn up afterwards to not even get a shot off with 5 ticks on the clock.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on January 25, 2006, 11:47:54 PM
Peach, Jimmy the Greek your not.  Your prediction of Augsburg over Bethel had to be made just to piss off East Coast.  This should be an interesting game though and if Bethel wins big it could be a sign that they are starting to "Get It".  Nice game for the Cobbers although I'm not ready to concede the championship to them.

Solid, yes I am aware that Pearson is not on the team this year, I should have made myself more clear.

Mr. Sulu, ahead warp factor six. :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 26, 2006, 04:25:15 AM
Bad first half for the Cobbers, bad final 8 minutes for GAC, bad night for the officials. The zebras simply took over in the second half and blew the whistle almost every possession. Both teams got ridiculous calls to go their way so it really had little outcome on the final score, but a hard game to watch none the less.

Hageman and Ehlert were awful in the first half, but really came on when it counted. As Willy pointed out, a freshman mistake at the end, but perhaps she shouldn't even have been put in the situation, again as Willy pointed out.

Another thing that I think hurt the Gusties tonight was that they jumped out to that big lead. When you go into a game like this thinking its going to be a dog fight the whole way and all the sudden your ahead 13-0 with 12:30 left in the first half, I think its hard not to fall into the playing not to lose style.

Cobbers deserved the W and they have a sweet looking schedule the rest of the way compared to GAC and St. Ben's.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 26, 2006, 09:04:54 AM
Willy,
I was only able to catch a small portion of the game via the net, as I am still in SO DAK, pursuing my profession - tong-term substitute teaching  ;)
From all accounts gacbacker's account of the officiating is right on, they were clueless!
Looks like the next game I'll be taking in, in person, will be playoffs, HOPEFULLY.
Capt Kirk, if Bethel loses, then what, can I be Jimmy the Greek?  Oh please let me be Jimmy! ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 26, 2006, 11:42:54 AM
If peaches wants to be Jimmy the Greek, I need no further proof that the "basket" is fully of crap.  (yes, I saw the rolling eyes, before you get all excited)

Cobs only have a 1 game lead right now, I'd hardly call the conference race over when we've just started the second half.  There are plenty of chances for upsets in the MIAC, and I'm excited to see how things turn out!  Their schedule is certainly favorable, but I think CSB is still the most dangerous team in the conference.  (yes, my red blinders are in full effect, so deal with it)

Saturday should be a great lineup of games!

Hamline @ St. Thomas - Piper frauds continue to be exposed, UST by 3
Concordia @ St. Olaf - Cobs by 2 at buzzer
Bethel @ Augsburg - Christians by 25, Ugs are a BAD team
Carleton @ Saint Benedict - Blazers by 12, home court and big crowd pay off
Saint Mary's @ Macalester - SMU by 20, Mac is even worse than Ug
Gustavus @ St. Catherine - GAC by 7, Katie's can't quite keep close

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 26, 2006, 02:38:28 PM
Thoughts from Moorhead last night:

Cobbers came out extremely FLAT.  I believe the statline was 0 Points scored, 13 given up, and 10 Turnovers in the First 9 minutes...not a good start  >:(

The first half saw the Gusties get a lot of lay-ups,  some came from back door cuts and others came from pretty passes off of penetration from Vadnis and Co.  However the Cobber D  really picked up the intensity in the waning minutes of the first half, and the entire second half. We just looked like we were tired and flat footed to start the game, and GAC took advantage of that with their quickness and seemed to beat us to every rebound/loose ball.

Keeley's 3 to end the first hal was absolutely huge, down 6 at half is a totally different mindset than down 9.

I thought that Hageman definitely outplayed Monahan last night, in fact I was not really inpressed with Monahan.  Vadnis is the one who really impressed me, she made a lot happen with her play.

Overall a very big win for the Cobbers, and so many players contributed. Mel obviously led us, but Elhert, Keeley, and Krabbenhoft were huge, and I thought that our younger players (King and Freudenburg) stepped in up last night as well. 

Last thought,  Jessica Heintz...awesome.  5 seconds on the clock, and she absolutely nails the pull-up J in the lane. 

Great win, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, there is a lot of season left.  From the Cobbers perspective, they didn't really blow anyone out the first time through the conference (save ST. Thomas)  so everygame could be a dogfight.  Here's to a 2-0 sweep this weekend in Northfield and Winona.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on January 26, 2006, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 06:38:53 PM
SOLID - I have a sister who stars in the NCC. The SCSU coach was recently quoted as saying she's the best player in the conference. I've seen 20+ games over the past 4 seasons. Given that UND got spanked by a good Gophers squad last season and my sister was a relative non-factor in the game, there is no comparison.

Let's just leave these inane angles of comparison for the off-season when we're all bored. We have MUCH more important things going on in the MIAC to worry about such things, like tipoff for the conference lead in less than 10 minutes.

Assuming I can find a webcast and/or can get people on the horn, I'll be posting some updates and comments throughout the night.


I never said that they could play against each other I was just comparing the scoring at the levels.  I will tell you that Minnesota and the Big Ten is better than the NCC and the NCC is better than the MIAC.  The point was that the scoring numbers are not out of whack with women's basketball at the different levels.  The MIAC is not down by much if down any.  It's the same quality that I've seen at Concordia for the last decade.  The teams that come in are just as talented as before.  Defense is the same, Offense is the same.  The top of the conference is very even throughout. 

Saying that I hope the Cobbs leave nothing for the Gusties and the Blazers.  Win the ones your supposed to and host the playoffs!!

GO COBBS
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on January 26, 2006, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2006, 06:38:53 PM
SOLID - I have a sister who stars in the NCC. The SCSU coach was recently quoted as saying she's the best player in the conference. I've seen 20+ games over the past 4 seasons. Given that UND got spanked by a good Gophers squad last season and my sister was a relative non-factor in the game, there is no comparison.

Let's just leave these inane angles of comparison for the off-season when we're all bored. We have MUCH more important things going on in the MIAC to worry about such things, like tipoff for the conference lead in less than 10 minutes.

Assuming I can find a webcast and/or can get people on the horn, I'll be posting some updates and comments throughout the night.

By the way Willy,
Who is your sister if you don't mind saying. Based on what you said and that I looked at your email.....I'm guessing Boese,and the SCSU coach is right. She is the best. 
I have a couple connections to the UND program through a former player from the Nat'l Title team.  I also have season tickets for football and frequent the Betty for bball games. The UND womens program is awesome and they have a ton of great young talent.....very fun to watch.  Great start to the year, hope the finish is one to match! Big one on the 2nd!

Anyway back to D3!.....


1/28/2006 (Saturday)
Hamline @ St. Thomas---ST. THOMAS
Concordia @ St. Olaf---COBBS
Bethel @ Augsburg--bethel
Carleton @ Saint Benedict---CSB but could be close Carelton has won 5 in a row
Saint Mary's @ Macalester,  (NC)---ST. Mary's
Gustavus @ St. Catherine,--GUSTIES get back in the W column

1/29/2006 (Sunday)
Concordia @ Saint Mary's--COBBS but back to back on the road can be tough!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Kibitzer on January 26, 2006, 08:32:58 PM
Questions:

Has the NCAA expanded the play-offs to 64 teams this year?

How many spots were there last season?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2006, 12:21:47 AM
FAQ answers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 27, 2006, 02:40:40 AM
Solid - You looked at my email? Cheater!  :P

Yeah, that's my other sister. She had a "bad" game tonight with 7, 9, 6, 3 blocks and 2 steals in 22 minutes of a blowout. You know the All American process is flawed when the SCSU and UMD coach both have returning AA's and agree that a different girl is the best in the conference.

Anyway, I just asked today for March 10-13 and 22-25 off. If I flew to Florida to watch a preseason tourney, I figure I can drive to Grand Forks and fly to Arkansas to finish the loop, right? Contrary to popular opinion, getting my parents to pay for it may be harder than UND holding up its end of the bargain :)

And who's your friend? Megan Pick? Mary P? Becky Moen? Wasn't Alia Fischer up there too? I know/know of a few oldies.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 27, 2006, 02:13:05 PM
Oh come on guys let's not turn this into a Sioux lovefest...don't you know that the nickname is very offensive  ;)


Can anyone fill me in about how the Oles and SMU are playing right now. Back to back games is not going to be easy for the Cobbers, but hopefully they will stay focused and come back to  Moorhead with 2 wins.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 27, 2006, 10:10:59 PM
Picks for 1-28:

Hamline @ UST - Tommies by 15; the wheels are coming off for the Pipers

Concordia @ St. Olaf - No letdown for the Corn; should win by 10+

Bethel @ Augsburg - Christians by 20

SMU @ Mac - Birds by above listed amount

GAC @ St. Kate's - Gusties by 13

Carleton @ CSB - I grudgingly give the edge to the Bennies here simply because they're home; by 7 in a tough one
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 28, 2006, 02:03:16 AM
M&G - I refuse to talk NDSU on here, Fargo-boy. I watched Fricke and Lorenz play twice and that was two times too many for me :P

As far as the scouting report...I've heard the Oles are quite young and haven't been playing great. That said, it's always a dangerous game given your long drive, especially coming off a huge win. I don't know anything about Marys.

Big game tomorrow for the Carlies and Bennies. If Vig, who's been a sleeper in our MVP discussion because we don't have a Carlie poster, can lead her team to a second win over CSB we'll HAVE to add her to the discussion, if not install her as the leader. Given her respect around the league over the last four years, it may be she is the favorite right now no matter how we'd argue differently.

With the way the Knights have been playing, the Bennies will have to play very well to get the win. But they all get ice cream to celebrate afterwards!

I'll be checking out Katie tomorrow and will hopefully have some good news to report on Sunday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 28, 2006, 03:49:50 PM
Cobbs win in Northfield  66-57

Keeley tallies 18 in hte win
Now its on to Winona and a sunday date with the Cardinals.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 28, 2006, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: James T. Kirk on January 25, 2006, 11:47:54 PM
Peach, Jimmy the Greek your not.  Your prediction of Augsburg over Bethel had to be made just to piss off East Coast.  This should be an interesting game though and if Bethel wins big it could be a sign that they are starting to "Get It".
Well, I may have been off in my pick of the Auggies over the Christians, (70-74), but Capt Kirk, would you say maybe the Royals aren't "getting it" yet.  The reason I picked the Auggies is that I feel teams have a tendancy of looking past them, and that can prove costly, like it almost did tonight!
Congrats to my Cobbers!  Good luck tomorrow!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 29, 2006, 01:38:35 AM
Gusties cruise behind a well-oiled offensive machine. Vadnais came out ready to play today with four assists in the first 4 minutes...pretty much set the tone for the rest of the game.

On another note...how annoying and unprofessional is the Carleton website. Apparently the Knights feel they were on the short side of the officiating today:

Carleton College couldn't overcome a Blazer parade to the free-throw line in falling to St. Benedict, 80-65....Megan Vig (Sr./Northfield, Minn.), who incredibly shot only two free throws, was held to nine points

Oh how incredible! What a joke! Sounds like it came right out of Tammy's mouth too. So arrogant.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 05:09:20 PM
One of the characters on the new "Survivor" that airs on Thursday(CBS), is a 27 year old Bethel grad.  I guess she played on the soccer team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: glorydazareover on January 29, 2006, 09:29:36 PM
I am not into this blogging stuff, but I went on this website and got really annoyed by the comments everyone posts (peachbasket).  Cant you just enjoy basketball without ripping on everyone and everything?  Did you ever play a college sport?  YOU DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENS behind the scenes.  Give the cobbers some credit.  Everyone (looking back to your august blogs) thought they would be nothing losing some of their great players (they were great), but they arent!  They are doing well and working hard.  How can you continuously smash different programs, being a coach is a lot harder than thinking you know all the answers and posting them on a chat board.  keep that in mind before you feel the need to throw your two cents in.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 29, 2006, 09:34:10 PM
What, in particular, did peach post that has made you so upset?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: glorydazareover on January 29, 2006, 09:42:20 PM
I am a MIAC fan, i feel that people play d3 hoops for different reasons..... it has always bothered me that people can rip on coaches/players without even knowing them.  For example MYK, you cannot make personal attacks, everything they are typing is hearsay from unreliable sources.   I dont know MYK but I would imagine some of the remarks made were a little of key.  I guess being a sports fan and involved with coaching I believe it is incredibly unfair to post untrue, or hearsay publically.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 29, 2006, 10:44:35 PM
I feel like we need to relay this message to a poster or two every year, so here goes:

Newspapers and other forms of mass media = FACTS
Message Boards/Chat Rooms = OPINIONS

Coaches get paid a very nice salary to guide 18-22 year olds to play a game. Part of the job is public criticism. Deal with it or find a new profession!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: glorydazareover on January 29, 2006, 11:40:41 PM
I understand that message boards are for opinions, and that is forsure.  Just for your info.... a coach in the MIAC does not make that much money, especially for the hours they put in, so to say the make a good amount of money to "coach", I think you are forgeting it is a 7 days a week job, that includes long trips to recruit and many hours in the office.  So i guess $40,000 isnt that much when you divide it amoung 60-70 hour weeks.  Also coaching really isnt that glorious.  Lots of stress and pressure.  Public ridicule is part of the job, but it should be based on facts not a bunch of hear say.  Most professions dont have to deal with the crap coaches put up with.  So cut them a little slack.  But once again, message boards are for opinions, but know that your opinions might get questioned and that is part of posting your opinions.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 30, 2006, 12:11:22 AM
glorydaze - I'm curious prompted this little tirade. I haven't rechecked the boards, but I can't recall anything recently about MLK that would warrant it. If anything, you should be complaining about me and Durbin, though what I've posted wasn't hearsay.

Big game tomorrow night for the Gusties. The Tommies handed it to them last time, so it should be a good measure for how far each time has come since then.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 30, 2006, 09:29:07 AM
Just a few quick thoughts on yesterday's game in Winona... Mel Hageman tore it up. I believe 9-9 shooting, 10-11 FTs for 28 points. That will happen, though, when no one plays D on you. I'd like to see her go head-to-head with someone in the conference (or anyone) who can actually play some post defense.

I expected to get to the SMU gym and be "wowed" by this Concordia team - 1st in the conference. Unfortunately, I was not. And maybe it was the circumstances...they'd been on the road for a few days and were playing the 3rd to last team in the conference. Maybe they only played as well as they needed to to win. I guess I was just hoping to be more impressed by them. They are a good team, no doubt, I just expected more.

Were there any Concordia posters at the game? My Cardinals simply have no offense. Freshman Alyse Coates seemed to be the only one who wanted to take it to the hole and score. Anyway, the team is young and they are definitely experiencing some growing pains. They'll bounce back though. They won't make this year's playoffs, but look for them again in the very near future.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 30, 2006, 10:19:13 AM
She Scores- Concordia won't wow you. They have a very solid coach and a player in Hageman who appears to be able to score when they need her to. Keeley can knock down shots and Ehlert can have her moments. After that, much like Gustavus, they have a bunch of role players who know their role and are playing with confidence.

They do not have the talent of St. Ben's or Bethel in my opinion.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 30, 2006, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: she_scores51 on January 30, 2006, 09:29:07 AM
Just a few quick thoughts on yesterday's game in Winona... Mel Hageman tore it up. I believe 9-9 shooting, 10-11 FTs for 28 points. That will happen, though, when no one plays D on you. I'd like to see her go head-to-head with someone in the conference (or anyone) who can actually play some post defense.

I expected to get to the SMU gym and be "wowed" by this Concordia team - 1st in the conference. Unfortunately, I was not. And maybe it was the circumstances...they'd been on the road for a few days and were playing the 3rd to last team in the conference. Maybe they only played as well as they needed to to win. I guess I was just hoping to be more impressed by them. They are a good team, no doubt, I just expected more.

Were there any Concordia posters at the game? My Cardinals simply have no offense. Freshman Alyse Coates seemed to be the only one who wanted to take it to the hole and score. Anyway, the team is young and they are definitely experiencing some growing pains. They'll bounce back though. They won't make this year's playoffs, but look for them again in the very near future.

First of all, its not like Mel hasn't played well against good teams (see CSB and GAC boxscores).

Also from what I heard the Cobbs were not extremely happy with their weekend performance, they kind of felt like they did enough to win and that was about it.  I agree that they are not a team that will wow you when watching them, but it seems that at the end of the game the scoreboard is in their favor.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 30, 2006, 11:46:00 AM
I didn't say Mel hasn't played well against good teams, I said I'd like to see her play against them. I love seeing great head-to-head matchups, who doesn't?

Concordia is having a great season, no doubt. Their team seems solid--it will be interesting to see who emerges from the Conference Tourney at the end of the season. Whoever it is should represent the conference well!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 30, 2006, 12:23:01 PM
Poor Carleton.  It seems that nobody outside their campus fully understands how horribly they're disrespected.  Doesn't the rest of the conference understand that we should be bowing and kissing the feet of the only Ivy League school in the state?   ::)  We should all be thankful that they stoop to play the rest of us on a regular basis.

Vig was SHUT DOWN by Jen Dalhed on Saturday.  Until there were 2 minutes left and CSB was up 14, Vig had 4 points.  She wasn't missing chances to score or get to the line, because she rarely got the ball in spots where she could score.  When she did, get the ball, she didn't take many shots.  Not an MVP performance.  

The reason the Blazers shot so many free throws was the way they attacked the basket.  Even though Carleton defenders seem to believe that they're above reproach, there were certainly fouls committed.  CSB was much better at going at the rim on Saturday than Carleton, and the free throw totals show that.

The Heikenen/Noreen combo is a tough one to stop right now.  Darby lit up the Knights in the first half, and Anna took over during crunch time to put the game away.  Tauer is starting to really find her game at this level now, and that's fun for this Blazer fan to watch.  

Tonight's lineup:
Gustavus @ St. Thomas -- GAC by 5, UST's sinking again
Augsburg @ Carleton -- Ugs are still not good ... Knights by 15
St. Olaf @ Macalester -- Oles by 21, will the Scots win a game against a MIAC foe again?
Saint Benedict @ Bethel -- Blazers by 12, Bethel's D gives up too much to the conference's top scoring team.
Hamline @ St. Catherine -- Pipes by 6, Katies only get up for CSB and UST games.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on January 30, 2006, 03:08:49 PM
Peach, it looks like your logic was correct on the Bethel game.  They must have really underestimated their opponent. As to whether they get it or not might be answered tonight against Bens. I need Spock to look at my computer, because I was unable to log onto D3 all weekend.

"Mr. Scott I need warp power in five minutes or were all dead".
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 30, 2006, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 20, 2006, 03:46:57 PM

I was told that Durbin couldn't even stomach walking through to shake GACs hands Wednesday.

?
Wily, so you don't post from "hearsay"  Talk about selective memory!! ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 30, 2006, 04:51:12 PM
blazerguy - If your mom said it was snowing but you didn't see, is that considered hearsay? If the snow was verified by 5-10 other people whom you trust, am I then allowed to believe those with first-hand knowledge? Maybe we should consult a lawyer on how many witnesses it takes to convict someone of wrongdoing?

Or maybe you can just admit Durbin didn't shake hands and is less of a coach/man for it and we can all move on? Sheesh  ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 30, 2006, 05:12:52 PM
James T Kirk- Bethel always plays poorly at Augsburg.  They also always lose at SMU.  That happened.  They are starting to turn things around, like beating Concordia, which few have done this year.  I have a feeling that at home, BU will give CSB a run for their money.  They have the size to match up inside.  They have the athletes to keep up with outside.  They have the offense to score a bunch of points.  It was pretty heated last game, I'm thinking the home team takes this one after getting their bad game out in Auggie land.  Should be a good one, and CSB has seemed vulnerable lately.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 30, 2006, 06:31:35 PM
1/30/2006 (Monday)
Gustavus @ St. Thomas - gusties pay back a very average gotch-less tommie team - they win by 16.
Augsburg @ Carleton - carls over auggies by 11
St. Olaf @ Macalester - who cares
Saint Benedict @ Bethel - bennies by 15
Hamline @ St. Catherine - upset special - katies by 9


So happy to see I have a new fan!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on January 30, 2006, 10:39:32 PM
So gustie fans, how ugly was that game??  The tommies scored 9 in the first half??? YIKES!!  That had to be painful to watch!  51-32
The bennies just pulled out an equally defensive outing against the christians, 91-88.
2/1/2006 (Wednesday)
St. Thomas @ Augsburg - tommies have a tough one against the gusties, and possibly lost another key player, the auggies get them by 7.
Saint Mary's @ Bethel - hopefully the christians didn't use up all their offense vs. the bennies, they eek it out by 9.
Macalester @ Concordia - can mac save a little money and just phone this one in??  My cobbers will be well rested, and not a good thing for the scots.  Cobbs by 20.
Gustavus @ Carleton - The gusties were under-impressive offensively tonight, perhaps saving it up for the knights?  I think the knights are hard to sweep, and catch the gusties at home by 7.
Hamline @ St. Olaf - Oles are so unpredictable, and hamline, well, just the same.  These were two potential play-off teams that are fighting for some respect.  I'll take the home team by 2.
St. Catherine @ Saint Benedict - Bennies starting to feel it offensively, they beat up the katies by 19.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 30, 2006, 11:56:16 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 30, 2006, 04:51:12 PM
blazerguy - If your mom said it was snowing but you didn't see, is that considered hearsay? If the snow was verified by 5-10 other people whom you trust, am I then allowed to believe those with first-hand knowledge? Maybe we should consult a lawyer on how many witnesses it takes to convict someone of wrongdoing?

Or maybe you can just admit Durbin didn't shake hands and is less of a coach/man for it and we can all move on? Sheesh  ::)
Maybe we can just admit in your eyes Durbin can do no right. Now that you've been caught confusing hearsay with facts, we can all move on!! ;D Oh, and to use your witness analogy, they could convict, but you could not, it would be considered "hearsay".
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 31, 2006, 12:29:23 AM
Durbin Schmurbin...who cares! This is a three week old argument. Enough already.

Looks like the Blazers and Royals were back and forth all night. Did Goehner really start? Did Nikki Carter really take five three's and make three of them? I saw Carter play in high school fairly often and she could go five or six games without even attempting five shots total.

As for the Gustie/Tommie game...the Gustie defense was simply suffocating. 9 points in a half has to be some kind of record for both GAC and UST.  Katch got hurt tonight in the first half and if she is out for any lengthy period of time the tommies are in big trouble. Can either St. Kate's or Hamline step up and grab this opportunity to make a rare appearance in the playoffs? Kate's scored a big win tonight over the Pipers who continue to underachieve. Must have been sweet for Petrich tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 31, 2006, 08:54:49 AM
Wish I could have made the GAC - UST game last night.  Sounds like the Gusties were trying to emulate Dryer, Youngblood, Brooks, Fanning & the rest of the Blue & Gold Gang by holding the Purple to 9 (!) first half points enroute to a 51-32 romp over the Tommies.  OUCH indeed.  With Gotchnik already out and now with Katch possibly out for an indefinite period the Tommies could be in some serious doo-doo here.  I did catch most of St. Kate's win over Hamline (can ANYONE figure out that team?) and it wouldn't shock me one bit if they overtook the Tommies for that last playoff spot. 

I do plan on being down in N'field Wednesday night for the GAC - Carleton clash.  It should be a good one.  No doubt the Gusties need this one to keep on the heels of Concordia.  The Vig-Monahan duel should be great down low.  Thank God this little shindig starts at 7:30 instead of that ridiculous 5:45 starting time.

91-88 last night over in Arden Hills???     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on January 31, 2006, 10:06:55 AM
Thanks East Coast, can Bethel beat SMU at home?  You were right about the Bethel – Bens game being close.  The game appeared to be a must see game, so I headed over to Bethel to watch, and I wasn't disappointed. :)  At the beginning of the game both teams were shooting the lights out, Bethel was getting the ball inside to there posts (they scored 57 of Bethel's 88), Bens wanted it more on the boards and got extra looks because of it, Bethel (Davis) did a nice job guarding Anna H., Bens has got some speed (most noticeable was Tauer) and needs to exploit it more.  These teams match up well against each other, but it was too bad that the officiating was OFF (trying to be nice) and helped to determine the outcome. > :(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 31, 2006, 12:46:20 PM
Although a Ben's fan will argue differently, the officiating at most Ben's games is a little off.  Most refs believe CSB is SOOO much better than every team they face, that CSB gets the benefit of a lot of calls.  It's something you have to reliaze most night you play CSB.  It's 5 on 8.

As for BU and SMU, BU has only beaten SMU once under Herbie, and it was the first year when both teams were not that great.  I believe that BU at home will be a different story than down there because BU plays a lot better at home.  Also, I don't anticipate the melt down that happened down there either.  BU has always played SMU tough at home, and this is the year they knock them off again.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 31, 2006, 01:32:09 PM
EC - Uh oh...fear the Bennie wrath!  ::)

The Gusties have been a little lucky the last two games. Two of St. Kates top players had been sick with the flu all week prior to Saturday's game and barely played/played poorly. Then GAC played an injury-depleted St. Thomas last night. Hopefully Mickey will be pointing out the negatives rather than let the team think the final margins were significant.

GAC raced to early leads in both games, but stunk up the joint in the first 5 minutes or so of the second half. Thankfully, the halftime leads proved enough to offset the sketchy play. They'll need to play much better and more consistent to beat the Carlies on the road tomorrow.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 31, 2006, 02:38:21 PM
WW- if I stilled lived in MN, and I gave a crap what a Bennie thought, I'd be worried.  Luckily, I don't live in MN any more, and I don't give a crap.  I know from experience about the refs, and don't worry Blazerguy, it's not from HEARSAY.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 31, 2006, 02:56:34 PM
Actually Willy, no wrath needed, thank you very much.  I'll let The Christians smite me instead.  They've got a very talented team, and last night was a great game!

If Bethel fans need to say that the refs "won" the game last night in order to sleep soundly, then they can believe whatever they need to.  I'm a little curious as to how somebody on the east coast can comment on officiating of games he/she isn't personally watching.  Sounds a little "hearsay-esque" to me.   ;D  

I'm going to stick to what most of us have been saying all year:  
MIAC refs are bad.  
MIAC refs are inconsistent.  
MIAC refs miss calls.  
MIAC refs invent calls that they think they see.
MIAC refs help keep blowouts under control.  
MIAC refs don't always seem to understand the rulebook.  
MIAC refs would be better off watching the games from the stands.
MIAC refs are whistle-happy
MIAC refs are afraid to blow the whistle.
MIAC refs help the home team.
MIAC refs help the "better" team.
MIAC refs are blind, deaf, and dumb.
MIAC refs make calls because they don't think some players are athletic enough to do what they just did.
MIAC refs were trained by Hellen Keller.
MIAC refs "are missing a good game"
MIAC refs stink.

And, finally, an opinion shared by most on the board...
MIAC refs don't win or lose a game, that's up to the players.

Wow, all that, and my blood pressure hasn't ticked up a point in the process...  Go BLAZERS!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 31, 2006, 03:25:57 PM
I personally did not say that the refs cost BU the game last night.  Mr. Kirk alluded to it.  I do have vast experience with MIAC refs though, and to my other comments, those are not based on hearsay.

So sorry all powerful and wonderful CM, knower of all that is right and good.  I have thus proven you wrong, for maybe the first time ever, and I banish you from making statements without fully reading a post again.

Okay???

And yes, the refs are biased to CSB in MOST cases.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 31, 2006, 04:05:32 PM
I was not anywhere close to the CSB and Bethel game last night, but I will weih in with my opinion about MIAC refs.

You guessed it...They are BAD >:(

An I may be opening a whole new can of worms here, but there is one that really drives me nuts in particular.  The female ref with the boy-cut hair (short and spiky) who looks to be about early to mid 30's. I am usually not one to mudsling, but she is Horrible.  Anyway, I am sure we all have our favorite zebra.


p.s.  Which one is "Marty"??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on January 31, 2006, 05:17:04 PM
My comment on the officiating was not meant to imply that the refs cost Bethel the game.  It was meant to imply that horrible calls both ways lead to the eventual end; be it Bethel being close when they should not have or Bethel losing when they should have won.  As a good coach should, Mr. Durbin spent a great deal of time influencing the refs on marginal calls.  The game did have one of the worst none calls (since the Nate Wright – Drew Pearson call in the NFC Championship) that I've seen.  With Bens up by one, and less then 4 seconds left, Bethel in-bounded the ball three quarters the length of the floor to Cotner who was essentially tackled without a call.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 31, 2006, 05:31:31 PM
Capt. Kirk- "These teams match up well against each other, but it was too bad that the officiating was OFF (trying to be nice) and helped to determine the outcome."

I don't read that as implying, I read that as an outright statement.


ECMF-

Hearsay is defined (dictionary.com) as:
1.  Unverified information heard or received from another, or rumor.
2.  (Law) Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.

If you haven't been at the games this year, then anything you post about the games is based on things you hear (or read) about them.  Therefore, hearsay in the legal definition.  We all use it, we all enjoy it, and refuting it is what helps keeps this board fun. 

Since I have been declared the knower of all that is good and true, I hereby propose that "hearsay" be used with positive connotations.  I don't want "hearsay" to have its feelings hurt just because it can't be used in court.

I'm no more right or wrong than anybody on this board (except maybe the now-absent UST contingent), but I do love the conspiracy theories that CSB has an unfair advantage, so keep 'em coming!  It's starting to sound like the rest of the conference's issues with SJU football.  Being consistently good makes lots of people mad.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 31, 2006, 05:53:09 PM
Quote from: James T. Kirk on January 31, 2006, 05:17:04 PM
My comment on the officiating was not meant to imply that the refs cost Bethel the game.  It was meant to imply that horrible calls both ways lead to the eventual end; be it Bethel being close when they should not have or Bethel losing when they should have won.  As a good coach should, Mr. Durbin spent a great deal of time influencing the refs on marginal calls.  The game did have one of the worst none calls (since the Nate Wright – Drew Pearson call in the NFC Championship) that I've seen.  With Bens up by one, and less then 4 seconds left, Bethel in-bounded the ball three quarters the length of the floor to Cotner who was essentially tackled without a call.
I almost hate to admit but I agree with you on most counts. I was at the game last night so I don't have to rely on opinions from the long lost past, or hearsay, or even the unbiased opinions of 5-10 knowledgable fans. The officiating stunk. Two officials especially stuck out, I wish I knew their names, one was a gray haired tall guy, the other was a very short cocky half balding guy. And yes, the third was Marty, and i would even venture to guess even the Bethel fans would agree that he was far and away the best of the three. The other two, lets call them Abbot and Costello, were horrible, BOTH ways. Yes the non-call with 3.9 seconds screamed for a call, the traveling on Anna late in the game that took away a basket was a laughable horrible call. Abbot and Costello were oblivious to the mugging Anna took under the basket all night. Bethel played a terrific game, solid shooting, excellent defense, and the play of their posts was unstoppable most of the night. Also their coach kept them in the game with a nice rotation and some very nice plays late in the game. Nikki Carter from CSB played a nice game and as pointed out earlier she also contributed 9 points, I think her offense is picking up as the year goes on. Jamie Goehner started, played solid under the basket although she was challenged with the two BIG posts from Bethel. Anna, Ariel, Judy, Darby and Alyssa also played their normal nice games. It was a great game, could have gone either way, Bethel is definately a very dangerous team down the stretch.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on January 31, 2006, 10:48:00 PM
When watching the Bethel vs. St. Ben's game last night at one point I realized that five girls on the floor were from the high school Classic Lake conference.  In checking rosters of the MIAC teams I found the following;

Augsburg – Rosinta Stromquist, Cooper
Bethel – Heather Davis, Minnetonka & Betsy Stevens, Minnetonka
Carleton – Annie Isler, Hopkins & Anna Biewen, Edina
Gustavus – Vicky Peterson, Armstrong
Hamline – Ashlee Senser, Hopkins & Steph Jurewicz, St. Louis Park
St. Bens – Nikki Carter, Anna Heikenen, & Ariel Tauer, all from Edina
St. Catherine – Leslie Anderson, Minnetonka
St. Olaf – Christine Schwichtenberg, Hopkins, Danielle & Kristina Stoermer, Wayzata
St. Thomas – Leah Gause

Are there other high school conferences this well represented?  Maybe coaches should be spending a little more time recruiting this conference.  Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 01, 2006, 01:57:26 AM
Not to mention several recent grads who were quite good.

Kelly Etzel, Wayzata, Gustavus
Kate Sandvig, Edina, Gustavus
Carrie Willis, Wayzata, Gustavus
Danni Hannon, St. Louis Park, St. Ben's
Ashley Brown, Edina, St. Ben's
Missy Pederson, Armstrong, St. Thomas

As for this year, most of the senior class is going D2 or D1

Abby Greene, Hopkins, U of Maine
Jillian Schurle, Hopkins, Princeton
Tiana Wilkinson, Hopkins, U of Mary
Krissy O'Toole, Wayzata, Northern State
Megan Shea, Armstrong, North Dakota State
Rachel Gunderson, Armstrong, Michigan St. (Not playing bball)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 01, 2006, 08:55:02 AM

I am totally pumped for tonight's GAC - Carleton tilt.  I just have a feeling this could be a really good one.  I've had a little more time to think about it since yesterday.  The Knights, save for the Concordia game, have been nails in their own crib and I think the young ones are finally getting it going.  Oken-Berg is already becoming a major factor taking a load off of Vig and she'll only get better.  I guess one of the keys for tonight's game is how well the Knights backcourt handles the GAC trapping-style "D" that has worked awfully well so far.  However, if Vadnais goes off like she has at times this year, look out.  Still, at the end, I say Knights by 3 in a classic.

Capt. Kirk - I remember that Nate Wright - Drew Pearson no-call from that N.F.C. Playoff game.  Not so much because of how it affected the outcome of that game but rather because my team unexpectedly got to host the N.F.C. Championship game in the next round.  Thinking we were finally Super Bowl-bound, the white-hot Cowboys trashed my guys at home in the Coliseum 37-7.  To set the record straight, the ABSOLUTE WORST call I've ever seen happened the year before when we had to come up here to play the Vikes in the N.F.C. Championship game when, trailing 7-3 in the 2nd half we had the ball on the Vikes 6-inch line and scored a TD only to have it called back cause the ref said Tom Mack moved.  He DIDN'T move one bit.  Horrible, and we wound up losing yet another shot at the Big Show.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 01, 2006, 09:23:49 AM
I have yet to make a reference to THIS years MIAC refs being horrible CM.  It's true I've never been to a game THIS year.  I have been to games, at least 25 a year, the past three years in the MIAC.  So, I would say my comments are not based on HEARSAY, but actual knowledge.  I highly doubt that most of the refs have changed from the past three years to this year.  Therefore, my comments are not far off.

As for the Classic Lake Conference.  It's a very good conference, but easily not the best conference in the city.  The Lake with Lakeville, Eastview, Apple Valley, and company, has been the best conference for quite awhile.  Two of your current Gophers are from that conference
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 01, 2006, 08:58:56 PM
GAC up 30-15 with 5 minutes to play. Gusties are 7-11 from deep, including 4-5 by Vadnais, to start as the Carlies tried to play a zone defense. Apparently it's not working real well :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 01, 2006, 11:05:45 PM
Cardinals edge Bethel by 2 again! Was anyone at the game that could give us all some insight? Sounds like Ashley Luehmann shot the lights out...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 01, 2006, 11:36:30 PM
Ugh! Sounds like the Gusties wet the bed in the second half - FOUR field goals after the break? And they still led with under 5 minutes to play? Free throws killed them it looks like - I listened to most of the first half, but then the feed cut out and I had to come into work.

Monahan with an unMVP-like 5-22 performance, but Vig tallied 19 and 13 to pace the resurgent Carlies. With the natural voting going to seniors who have been good and paid their dues, where does she fit in to this picture?

This makes the Bennie game even more crucial for the Gusties. After watching them the last few games, it seems they've once again become a 2-headed monster. They need more offensive threats or, as Carleton quickly picked up, they are fairly easy to stop.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 02, 2006, 12:13:30 AM
The Gusties lost all confidence in themselves in the second half of a game that they should have won by 10-15 points. Not a single player played well in the second half. If one, one player had played well they probably would have pulled it out.

Monahan and Vadnais couldn't do it tonight for one of the first times all season and when that happened nobody else on the roster was there to step up.

This is the third time I've been to West Gym where the Gusties have had a huge first half and then lost it in the second half. I'm not willing to say Tammy out-adjusted us at halftime, but the Gusties needed to come with something other than the status quo in the second half.

The free throw shooting was maddening.

East coast - I disagree that the Lake has been better than the Classic Lake. First off the Gophers have two classic lake players as well in April Calhoun and Leslie Knight. The number of D1 players from the Classic Lake far outnumbers that of the Lake if you go back 6 or 7 years. I think the Classic Lake has been better top to bottom, while the Lake has had 3 state championships recently to just one for the CLC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on February 02, 2006, 08:29:07 AM
MEL FOR MVP
I know it was Mac, but she got it done in 21 minutes on 8-10 shooting, and in case you have forgotten, the Cobbers are on top of the league!!   ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on February 02, 2006, 08:38:14 AM
2/4/2006 (Saturday)
Saint Mary's @ Gustavus - gusties impose their pressure D against a below-average team and win by 15
Carleton @ Concordia - carls are playing better and have had tougher competition this week to  prepare them for this big game.  The Vig-Hageman match-up will be interesting.  We'll need to get our perimeter game going in order to handle the zone.  Annie comes to life and the Cobbs win by 8.
Bethel @ St. Olaf - the Christians need a win.  After dropping a heart-breaker to the bennies, and then sleep walking through SMU, their attention is here and pull out the close one, by 5
Saint Benedict @ St. Thomas - the tommies stink with the latest injury, bennies by 18
Hamline @ Macalester - the pipers need a gimme, here you go, hamline by 20
Augsburg @ St. Catherine - auggies flying high after their big win, they susrprise the katies by 11
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 02, 2006, 08:59:15 AM
A strange game last night to say the least over at West Gymnasium.  Vadnais simply shot the lights out in the 1st half and the Knights looked totally disoriented and out of synch.  Just a completely different ballgame in the second half as the Knights kept chipping away at the Gusties and finally got ahead to stay late.  Not that the Knights shot the ball that well by any stretch but they were able to make the most out of the opportunities they had.  Just a few thoughts here on both teams.  First, for the Knights, they have GOT to do a better job of guarding the perimeter.  In perhaps all but one or two of their losses so far they have been done in by 3-point shooting.  A great comeback for the Knights to be sure but they can't make a living the way they've been going at it so far.  For the Gusties, they've got to come out in the second half with a sense of urgency.  Both Monahan and the little lefty were strangely quiet in the second half and still they could have salted the thing away with decent shooting from the charity stripe.  If I'm Mickey I have that team shooting FT's in practice today until they're downright bored doing it.

Meanwhile, over in Tommieland.............

WHOOOOOSH!.  From all accounts I heard that flush was audible down I-35 all the way down to Kansas City.  Suffice to say, this team is circling the drain quickly.  Even though I'm assuming here that CSB took care of St. Kate's last night UST is in some dire straights now with the Bennies coming into their crib this weekend.  Maybe it would be just as easy to say it is OVER!

SMU downing Bethel - AGAIN - last night?  OVERRATED (clap clap clap clap clap!). 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 02, 2006, 11:41:00 AM
Gacbacker, state champs are state champs.  When you are winning the state title, you are probably coming from the best conference.  The classic does have two players on the gophers, but  only one of them will ever play significant minutes.  Leslie Knight should never have gone to the U.  She's a tweener that doesn't fit their system.  The Lake kids are the cornerstones of their posts.  Also, Edina and Hopkins are the only teams that would scare me out of the Classic.  Lakeville, Eastview, Apple Valley, even Eagan, have been better lately.  Minnetonka and Eden Prairie are not bad either, but Edina has done nothing post season wise.

As for BU being OVERRATED, we estabilished that awhile ago LA.  Don't toot your own horn.  I even said that BU has had trouble with SMU the last three years.  It shouldn't have been a major surprise.  A surprise yes, but not a look at how great I am because I predicted BU to be bad type of surprise.  They do have the 2nd best offense in the league, and when they play D, they CAN beat any one.  Has your Knights beat the Cobbers yet?  No, but BU has.  So I guess the Knights are over rated too, huh?  Especially since so many people picked them to end up in the top three. 

But hey, what do I know? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 02, 2006, 02:07:47 PM
What were the officials like at Carleton? Granted, we've beaten this subject into the ground, but - according to an official who had no kin involved in the game - they were especially terrible last night.

Bad calls or missed calls are one thing that I think we've all come to handle, or at least deal with. Late calls are something else. Apparently Terrible Tammy was at her worst last night, wanting every call. Anytime anything questionable happened, she'd jump up and start yelling at the refs. On numerous occasions the refs seemed to be cowed into calling VERY late calls based on her reactions. If that's true, that's unexcusable, never mind how badly the Gusties pissed away the win.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 02, 2006, 02:55:26 PM
I don't know if anybody else has had this experience when playing St. Kate's this year, but please tell me how the female version of Gilbert Gottfried ended up giving birth to a Wildcat player.  It sounded like the AFLAC duck got stuck on repeat behind their bench, spewing the following phrases nonstop:

A. (St. Kate's has the ball) "Get it inside, get it inside!!!"
B.  (a shot is taken by either team) "Rebound, rebound, rebound!!!"
C.  (St. Ben's has the ball) "Block it, block a shot, block a shot!!!"

In any case, the Blazers did what they should have done to CSC.  Heikenen had 18 points in 19 minutes, and everybody else chipped in nicely.  The story of the year on the CSB squad has been the emergence of Jaime Goehner.  After missing her first year with a knee injury, and then stuck on the bench last year behind Kim Johnson, Tara Schloe, and Ellie Boone, she has come into her own, and it couldn't happen to a nicer kid!

From a Blazer fan's perspective, it was an added bonus to see the other results pop up last night.  Ugsberg's first win over UST in 41 tries, dating back to 85 or so?  Bethel choking at home against the Cards?  Oles over Pipers?  Weird night.  I'm just glad CSB avoided the upset bug last night.

Anybody who thinks that the conference race (for any one of the top 6 spots) is over isn't paying attention.

Go Blazers!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 02, 2006, 04:07:55 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 02, 2006, 02:55:26 PM
I don't know if anybody else has had this experience when playing St. Kate's this year, but please tell me how the female version of Gilbert Gottfried ended up giving birth to a Wildcat player.  It sounded like the AFLAC duck got stuck on repeat behind their bench, spewing the following phrases nonstop:

A. (St. Kate's has the ball) "Get it inside, get it inside!!!"
B.  (a shot is taken by either team) "Rebound, rebound, rebound!!!"
C.  (St. Ben's has the ball) "Block it, block a shot, block a shot!!!"

In any case, the Blazers did what they should have done to CSC.  Heikenen had 18 points in 19 minutes, and everybody else chipped in nicely.  The story of the year on the CSB squad has been the emergence of Jaime Goehner.  After missing her first year with a knee injury, and then stuck on the bench last year behind Kim Johnson, Tara Schloe, and Ellie Boone, she has come into her own, and it couldn't happen to a nicer kid!

From a Blazer fan's perspective, it was an added bonus to see the other results pop up last night.  Ugsberg's first win over UST in 41 tries, dating back to 85 or so?  Bethel choking at home against the Cards?  Oles over Pipers?  Weird night.  I'm just glad CSB avoided the upset bug last night.

Anybody who thinks that the conference race (for any one of the top 6 spots) is over isn't paying attention.

Go Blazers!!!!!
CM, fortunately I sat on the other side and wasn't able to hear the chatter behind the bench. I thought the St. Kates coach did enough complaining to get a T but it didn't happen. I did think the three officials last night were the best I have seen this year, in control and called it the same on both ends. Anna of course got hacked underneath as usual but even she got a few calls! My favorite player Jamie is really coming into her own isn't she!! ;D I think one of the unsung hero's this year is Nikki Carter. Solid at point guard with the ball control, never gets caught picking up the dribble and rarely has a turnover. I also predict Ariel will be an all American before her career is over, what an athelete! Coach Durbin has again done a great job putting together a top team and at the same time building a great squad for the future! 8)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 04, 2006, 01:43:10 AM
Willy,

Thought I'd try giving you a belated response to your question from the other day.  Was going to do it during the day Friday but never got a chance.  I was in the unusual position of having to be something of a neutral observer as I happen to like both squads; an odd arrangement perhaps but nevertheless I was able to keep my objectivity about the thing.  First, while the officiating wasn't anything to write home about it wasn't the pits of the earth.  I've seen worse.  Yes, even I would agree that TM-F does get carried away with her theatrics from time to time although I would hesitate at the suggestion that she's actually able to influence officials to have calls go her way at the drop of a hat.  The bottom line here is that it was FT shooting, or rather a lack of, which cost the Gusties in this game.  Presumably (hopefully), they'll learn from this one and maybe use it as a motivational tool for the home stretch.

ECMF - Sorry if I came across tooting my horn a bit loudly the other day.  Actually, I have seen Bethel be at their best when they annihilated St. Kate's a little more than a week ago.   They can be quite good at times.  They took CSB to the limit on Monday night but then turned around and lost to a youthful SMU team on their home floor no less.  I would have to guess here that even you have to be somewhat perplexed by it all.

Here's my picks for tomorrow........

Hamline @ Macalester - Too bad this game won't count as a conference victory for the Pipers but they'll still win by 20+

Augsburg @ St. Kate's - Kitties better than you think; should get this one by 10.

Bethel @ St. Olaf - Christians reeling after consecutive home losses but get back on track; Royals by 8

CSB @ UST - Still a classic rivalry but the Bennies will pound a team about ready to go on life support; CSB by 18

SMU @ GAC - Gusties still smarting from Wednesday night get things rolling again; GAC by 20

Carleton @ Concordia - Would love for the Knights to find a way to steal this one, too, but its one LONG trek up U.S. Highway 10 to Moorhead; Corn by 17     

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 04, 2006, 04:51:12 PM
Looks like some interesting results today, beginning up north. The Carls will be a VERY dangerous team come playoff time. After beating the Cobbs on the road, they've now beaten all of the teams above them and the young lineup seems to be coming along nicely after a rough start. It'd be nice to see the home and home in the MIAC playoffs and Carleton is one of the few schools that could still pull it off.

Gusties romp by 35, including leading 44-13 at the break. Hopefully Monahan's 18 and 5 in 17 minutes and Vadnais' 18/3/6 in 22 don't hurt their MVP chances  ::)

What happened in the Bennie game? UST looked absolutely awful when I watched them Monday and they lost to AUGSBURG Wednesday. Now you're trying to tell me they had a chance to win in the closing minutes at St Bens? Wow.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 05, 2006, 01:47:24 AM
Very interesting results today...Carleton appears to be playing the best ball right now and they are still in 4th place. If Carleton ends up in 4th place, that 1 vs. 4 matchup in the semifinals is going to be brutal.

The Blazers barely hang on to beat a St. Thomas team that couldn't hit double figures in the first half against the Gusties.

The Gusties simply take apart St. Mary's who were coming off an upset over Bethel. The Gustie defense has been almost perfect in the first half of games recently. Unfortunately their post defense broke down in both the Concordia and Carleton losses in the second half.

The Gusties appear to be getting Bethel at the right time...Ahlberg should be back in the line-up Monday, but I heard Annagret Nautsch could be out for the rest of the season.

I think what will really be interesting here in the next couple of weeks is to see how the standings shake out. I think one thing is for certain and that is that Carleton is either going to finish #3 or #4...after that it is really up in the air.

St. Ben's, Concordia and Gustavus could all still finish 1-3 and the Gusties could drop to #4.  Hamline, St. Kate's, St. Thomas and Bethel will be fighting for those #5 and #6 spots with some big head to head matchups upcoming.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 06, 2006, 03:46:43 PM
Nothing like a good old fashioned brawl for conference standings!  The CSB-UST game Saturday was a good test for the Blazers.  When the Tommies hit their 3's, which they did at key spots in this game, they can hang with anybody.

Tonight's lineup:
St. Catherine @ Concordia -- Cobs rebound from upset and beat the 'cats by 15
Augsburg @ Hamline -- Ugs put up a fight, but Pipers win by 8
Gustavus @ Bethel -- dangerous game for GAC, but Bethel's injuries mean Gusties by 5
St. Olaf @ St. Thomas -- Tommies fall prey to another upset, Oles by 2
Saint Mary's @ Saint Benedict -- Blazers at home against quiet Cards O, CSB by 19

Go Blazers!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 06, 2006, 09:09:29 PM
Well, a win's a win I suppose. I was busy working, but the box score shows BU missed a 3 to win it with 2 seconds left. Instead, GAC slides by with a 73-71 victory. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good I guess...

gacbacker, were you there? What was going on? Boese, Nelson and Consoer combined to shoot 4-22. Yuck.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on February 06, 2006, 11:07:21 PM
I beamed down to Bethel to watch the big game this evening.  This is the second time I have seen them play; the other game was against St. Ben's.  I can't believe that Bethel is losing some of their games lately, they have a pretty good team.  Maybe they play to their competition.  The game was fairly close the whole way with Bri and Jess leading the way for the Gusties.  Bri must have been a guard at some point with the quick first step that she has to the basket.  I don't know of many posts that can keep up with her.  You could tell the Jen A. was ill because she had little pop to her shots.  Overall a hard fought contest with decent refs to boot.

One very classless thing that I saw occurred after the game, when some of the Gustie parents started yelling at a Bethel player in the hall.   ??? This player handled herself well with these parents, but how low they stooped.  The best part of the scene were the Gustie girls going after their parents because of their behavior.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 07, 2006, 12:06:12 AM
First to address James T. Kirk's comments...I agree that the parents were out of line talking to the Bethel player. At the same time here's a fair warning to post players in the MIAC: Heather Davis isn't afraid to swing her elbows. Apparently she nailed Heikenen last week and now Monahan will be getting stitches above her eye.

In another classless act tonight...one official midway through the game came over to the Gustie bench during an intense moment and said "Whoa, quite the battle between the Christians and the Lutherans tonight." Now forget the fact that Lutherans actually are Chrsitians, but what a stupid thing to say.

As far as the game goes, Monahan always dominates the Bethel posts, they are too slow for her and Monahan just has great hands. Vadnais was great as well, but the unsung heros tonight were Michelle Linbo and Vicky Peterson. Linbo really played hard, got some key offensive boards and created several turnovers. Peterson came off the bench for 10 points and rebounded very well as usual.

The three at the end never had a chance really. The Royals inbounded with 2.2 seconds left and had 60 feet to go. Ahlberg ended up with a shot about 3 feet outside the arch and Vadnais partially blocked it.

Gusties should continue to be on cruise control on Wednesday as they go to Olaf.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 07, 2006, 12:20:19 AM
Ha! I heard about the stitches but not about the altercation in the hallway. I laughed and made fun of Monahan.

I hope this Davis girl brings out the broken-nose mask and high socks to complete her Bill Laimbeer-persona! Maybe JoLynn can take a few pointers from her GAC cousin and go Isiah Thomas on her in practice too :)

I love drama.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: James T. Kirk on February 07, 2006, 08:46:18 AM
The two Bethel games that I have watched are the two that you refer to Gac.  To be fair to Heather, neither of the incidents involved her elbows; she was pivoting away from a second player and both Anna and Bri being aggressive, took the ball (hands) in the face.  And in fact, the penalty in last night's game was against Bri.  Granted Heather pivots hard, but if you stayed to watch the guys games, they rebound and pivot the same way; but the other guys know to stay out of the way.  Other posts in the MIAC bring the ball down only to have it slapped away; get use to it because this is the direction women's D-3 ball will go.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 07, 2006, 09:03:20 AM


Any early thoughts on all-conference and MVP picks as of yet??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 07, 2006, 10:51:58 AM
Actually, I was at the CSB-Bethel game and had a perfect view of the play with Heikenen.  Heikenen got a wicked elbow to the jaw.  It was very clear at the game and, from what I hear, very clear on tape.  She did not get hit with the ball - it was an elbow.

Anyway, it should be an interesting stretch run.  The top four all have strengths and weaknesses so we will see what happens.  I think the X factor will be injuries.  The Blazers are banged up right now but I'm confident they will battle through and I'm sure other teams have their bumps and bruises...

As for MVP --- I think it is a three person race between Heikenen, Monahan, and Hageman.  I think Vadnais and Vig can also be mentioned but the first three have been the best in the conference so far this season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 07, 2006, 11:06:22 AM
I'd expect a Star Fleet Captain to not defend thuggery...

The Davis elbow to Anna's jaw was clearly that.  The game tape shows her turn to look, put out her elbows, and swing one of them squarely into the side of Anna's head.  There's nothing wrong with clearing a little space (below shoulder level) if there are hands and arms reaching for the ball, but I doubt that either the shot to Heikenen or Monahan was purely accidental.  Now that Davis has knocked out one MVP candidate and caused stitches in another, I would hope the inner Christian in her would see that God doesn't like cheap shots.

The CSB-SMU game was a rough one to watch last night.  With SMU's slow-down game plan on both ends, the final score was a whopping 54-44.  Of course, the teams combined to shoot about 30 percent.

I'm sure the game tomorrow against Macalester will be much prettier... or maybe not.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 07, 2006, 01:42:18 PM
CM - Oh, Durbin allows admin people to sit in on film sessions now, huh? Or did a player tell you that? Isn't that...what's the word I'm looking for here...hearsay? :)

Kirk - Monahan was called for a foul. However, the elbow was thrown after the whistle was blown.

Basketballs don't cause 5 stitches. Elbows do.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 07, 2006, 02:38:34 PM
You guys couldn't be suggesting that Bethel players would behave in a way that would be somewhat un-Christian like now would you ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 07, 2006, 03:01:27 PM
M&G - As former footballers, I think we both know firsthand what Bethel says and what Bethel does doesn't always mesh.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 07, 2006, 04:03:52 PM
WW- you read my mind.

Earlier today I tried to find the famed Star Tribune article from 2003 where coach Johnson and his players gave the rest of the state a glimpse into how holy they were, but my search proved unsuccessful. 

I see your sis and the lady Sioux are still on the road to an undefeated season, hopefully they bring the title back to the Red River Valley
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: glorydazareover on February 07, 2006, 07:23:12 PM
Just a little note in case you didnt know:  Basketball is a contact sport, intentional or not........  an elbow here or there is going to happen.  If you cant handle a little contact try checkers.  Also... sometimes when players start reaching in and trying to steal the ball posts should have the right to clear themselves.   Just a personal thought. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 07, 2006, 10:22:28 PM
Glory you are correct unless it becomes a habit...Davis has swung before in games I've attended and not hit anything but air, now its two games in a week where she has hit somebody and it just so happens to be the top two scorers in the conference...Watch out Erica Opdahl.

Blazer fans, you say your team is a little banged up...care to expand? I see Heikenen only played 19 minutes in a close win over St. Mary's. Hmmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2006, 02:31:16 AM
glorydaze - Yes, many good players used their elbows in such a way. Karl Malone, John Stockston, Dikembe Mutumbo - in his glory daze - and Rick Mahorn all pop to mind without a second thought. They were also all quite cheap. Not all contact is legal.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on February 08, 2006, 09:19:03 AM
Go to Vegas, and my Cobbers lose! Bummer.  No, gambling for me, just interviewing!!!  Had the Cobbs been on the board at Caesar's, maybe?!?!?!?!?
So the elbows, well, I once again, have to go with the gustie crew, their is legal contact, but it is limited.  You can put a forearm, hand or leg on a post player, who's back is to the basket; you can have a forearm on the ballhandler, periodically; you can "body-up" a player provided you don't interfere with his/her advancing the ball; you can catch and "chin" the ball; a ballhandler can have a forearm, but cannot push-off/extend the forearm to a straightarm. Is this a contact sport, yes, to a limit, but when your elbows interfere with a player who's establish himself/herself in their postition, you have committed a foul, and possibly an intentional one!!

2/8/2006 (Wednesday)
Gustavus @ St. Olaf - could be a game, depends on who show for the oles, jeckle or hyde.  Gusties eek it out by 5
Saint Mary's @ Hamline - see above regarding the pipers, they need this to get to the top 6, hamline by 7
Concordia @ Augsburg - tough road trip, ugly game, cobbers by 13
St. Thomas @ Bethel - which team is heading to the porcelein bowl quicker?  Bethel by 8.
Macalester @ Saint Benedict - bennies run it up, win by 20+
St. Catherine @ Carleton - as I said earlier, no one sweeps the knights, carleton by 12
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 08, 2006, 09:26:28 AM
What Bethel says and what Bethel does is not the same thing?  Playing a game the way it is supposed to be played does not mean you are being UNCHRISTIAN.  Football is a very rough sport and basketball can be too.  Don't judge a school's philisophy cause a couple football players played the same way your players play everyday.  A majority of student athletes at BU embody every aspect of what the school is about.  Heather Davis is one of those athletes.

Posts players are taught to play with their elbows up.  Post defenders are taught NOT to body up because of the fact they may catch an elbow.  What Heather does is not illegal nor is it cheap.  Guys play that way all the time and nothing is said.  If you don't want an elbow to the face, back off.  I consider myself a strong Christian, but if you get in my face, I'm going to clear you out.  If your face gets in the way of my elbow, that's your fault.

It's unforunate that two great players were caught with elbows, but there will be no apologies.  Heather was just playing basketball.  Both coaches knew going into the game that Heather loves to turn with her elbows up.  So why would you put your best player on her?  So again, no apologies for playing basketball the right way.  And it is still not the Un-Christian way to play.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2006, 09:47:01 AM
east coast - Ask any MIAC football player over the last 5-10 years who the cheapest team in the league was. The answer may surprise you.  But that's neither here nor there.

When Heather swings at Heikenen and connects, supposedly prompting a Durbin call to BU afterwards with one message - you need to control her - that warrants mentioning. I don't remember if the CSB posters did talk about it and I'm too lazy to go back and check :)

When it happens again, to another MVP candidate no-less, that seems very sketchy.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 08, 2006, 10:59:22 AM
WW, I'm appaulled to think you would think that it was done on purpose.  I know Heather personally, as well as the entire coaching staff.  To claim that Heather purposely took a swing at two MVP candidates is absurd at the least.  I'm not saying she did it on purpose, but even if it had been Boone for CSB or some other post for GAC in the same play, they would have gotten hit.  Heather is Not a goon looking to take down star players.

I will tell you that they are taught to clear space if someone is all over them, but every coach should teach that.  It's a mere coinencidence that two MVP candidates got hit in the same week.  That's a freak of the schedule.  As for Durbin, who cares what he says.  I'm sure Herbie told him it's just basketball and nothing was personal.  If I was coaching Heather, I wouldn't say one thing to her about changing.  Other defenders better just back up a little bit.

I highly doubt BU football players are the cheapest in the conference the last five years, but this is an arguement that I don't know enough about to argue, so I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 08, 2006, 11:18:23 AM
ECMF- Go ahead and be appaulled.  Davis didn't "turn with her elbows up", she swung at Anna.  I wasn't at the GAC game, but I wouldn't be shocked if the exact same thing happened to Bri. 

"If your face gets in the way of my elbow, that's your fault."  ???
That might be true if elbows had any business being around face level.  It's not like Anna or Bri are tiny guards in among the trees, so their faces were nowhere near elbow level. 

Playing hard is fine, clearing the ball when defenders are close is fine, elbows to the head are not.  I'm appaulled to think that you could debate that.

Gustavus @ St. Olaf - GAC by 7, Oles don't have quite enough
Saint Mary's @ Hamline - Pipers by 4, SMU's bog-down of opposition continues
Concordia @ Augsburg - Cobs by 12, Ugs still aren't good
St. Thomas @ Bethel - Davis knocks out Opdahl, Christians by 5
Macalester @ Saint Benedict - Blazers JV squad by 18
St. Catherine @ Carleton - Carls by 11, Wildcats don't win on the road


Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 08, 2006, 11:34:32 AM
There were no purposeful swings taken.  Stop crying about your star player getting hurt.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 08, 2006, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 08, 2006, 11:18:23 AM

St. Thomas @ Bethel - Davis knocks out Opdahl, Christians by 5



CM-- I had a real good laugh after reading that prediction, thank you for that.

ECMB-  I wasn't at the games, so I will decline on comment to both "incidences". However, in my brief experiences (last 5 years) I will say that I have not been at all impressed at the sportsmanship of Bethel athletes that I have played against.  and there is nothing Christian or UnChristian about it.   

WW- I haven't checked any info so this is probably a dumb question, what are the chances of the UND women hosting the regional tourney at the Betty?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 08, 2006, 01:03:09 PM

I was at the GAC - Bethel game Monday night and, ironically, I missed the elbow that Monahan took from Davis as I had turned to look down the court; then heard the ref's whistle and saw Bri sprawled out on the floor (I also missed the alleged action of of Gustie parent(s) in the hallway as well).  True, basketball is a contact sport up to a certain point and I've played enough pick-up ball for cross-training to know you can get knocked around a little but when two players get it in the mouth/forehead like AH and Bri have lately something's wrong.  Memo to Erica Opdahl:  If Heather Davis gets a rebound next to you tonight - BACK OFF!

Should be a dogfight for the 5th and 6th spots as we head toward playoff time.  Here's how tonight's games should turn out:

St. Kate's @ Carleton - The resurgent Knights put a crimp in the Kitties playoff hopes - Carleton by 17.

SMU @ Hamline - Pipers realize it's crunch time and a golden opportunity to enhance their playoff chances; Hamline by 13.

Concordia @ Augsburg - Corn by 20+ on the road

UST @ Bethel - Both teams in a serious tailspin; the loser here might as well pack it in.  Christians by 6.

Mac @ CSB - Bennies in a laugher; by 30+

GAC @ St. Olaf - Gusties should manage to pull out another tough one by 7.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on February 08, 2006, 02:36:47 PM
What a bunch of RUBES!  Heather has been in this league for three years now, rebounding the same way.  Having two players (of MVP status as you putz's keep pointing out) go down in a short period of time is her only offense.  Were there any issues the first two years; NO.  She is in no way intentionally trying to hurt anyone. But if it makes you all feel important and smart to run down Heather and Bethel then so be it.  How low can a bunch of grown men stoop?  Now common guys, write back with your smart comments and rip everything I've said. >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 08, 2006, 03:10:16 PM
Have any of you ever seen a WIAC game? My sister had to go to the ER for stitches a few times in her career and I'm pretty sure it was never a discussion point on their boards...just part of the physical game called basketball. Maybe their conference is just overall a little tougher skinned?? I'd hate to admit that though.

I'm not justifying the BU girl's actions because I wasn't there to see it. I'm also not one to promote "dirty" or "cheap" play, but I am a proponent of clearing with your elbows to create some space for yourself. Would I ever intentionally knock someone in the face with my elbows? No. I can't say whether or not Heather Davis would do something like that intentionally. Again, I wasn't there.

I'm also not going to say anything based on "hearsay", which is apparently banned :) I just can't believe the discussion has gone on this long about something that no one can truly prove was intentional or not. I guess thats what this board is for though.

On to other topics...Since no one is picking SMU to win tonight, I'm going to say that they win up at HU by 9. I haven't even looked at who else is playing so I won't predict those games. Sorry.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2006, 04:15:02 PM
Whoa, did CM just take my back? Better start stocking up on canned goods...the apocalypse is coming :)

The fact that Bri got hit isn't a terribly big deal. The fact that it had happened prior in a similar fashion makes it seem like a trend. The fact that she increased her flailing elbows after canning Bri in Monday's game...well...I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions I guess.

M&G - It's about as sure a bet as you'll find at this point. They've knocked off St. Cloud, who is second in the region rankings, twice now. They'd have to lose three the rest of the way and have SCSU win out for it to change.

Are you looking to plan a Fighting Sioux protest rally or something? :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on February 08, 2006, 04:38:07 PM
A cobber, a bennie and a gustie agreeing, dang straight you better get stocked up on the canned goods!!!   ;) 
she_scores, the WIAC is physical, no question, (and there are probably a few "elbow-throwers", I think every league has one or two,) but their physicality is consistent throughout.  I don't want to say the MIAC is softer, it just plays a different style, so when a "smashmouth" player exerts her elbows, it is easier to call her out. 
A sidebar that needs to be included here, as I don't want the HEARSAY police to come get me; I wasn't at either game being discussed, I am simply making these statements based on the comments by those in attendance, and my experience watching the women's game for the past 8 years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 08, 2006, 05:06:42 PM
Willy- sometimes principles are stronger than school alegiance.  Besides, I can't eternally hate on somebody else from the Rochester area.

That doesn't mean, of course, that I have any love left to lose for UST, GAC, Carleton, or Bethel, but I can't stand righteous indignation from people defending the indefensible.  I'm all about playing hard, but cheap shots and dirty tactics will always pi$$ me off.

Bethel football is still dirty, even though their instigator coach now roams the Olaf sideline with a "head coach" clipboard.  I "pray" that their basketball team doesn't earn the same reputation.

As an avowed lifelong fan of the MIAC, I like to think that our league (and definitely our composite ACT/SAT scores and GPAs) are a step above the WIAC.  Therefore, we don't need to enroll dirty student-athletes.

Go Blazers!



 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2006, 05:27:50 PM
CM-

So, you say the WIAC is enrolled with dirty student-athletes???  Why?  Is it because of the physical playing stlye?  If so, to my knowledge, the coaches, players and fans don't have a problem with it.   And I'm sure they don't look at their fellow conference opponents as being dirty players just because they play physical.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: glorydazareover on February 08, 2006, 06:56:39 PM
I hate when comments about GPA and ACT/SAT scores get brought into this, you seriously give private schools the reputation of them thinking they are better than everyone else.  I went to a MIAC school, and I am annoyed that you would have any nerve to say that.  I now several professionals who have come from WIAC schools, so dont bring brains into this argument.  THe main point is Suck it up.  If you dont want to get smacked in the face BACK OFF.  I have played in the MIAC and actually have been the on the receiving end and giving end of an elbow to the mouth.  You learn how to NOT REACH and back off when a post player is going to clear the ball.  So drop the subject.  Leave the judgement calls to the refs. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 08, 2006, 11:43:52 PM
Well the conference race changes dramatically tonight as Concordia loses and Anna Heikenen doesn't play due to injury. Are the Gusties the team to beat now? Gustavus can now force a possible three way tie if they beat Augsburg and St. Ben's at home. Concordia has some work to do as well with games left against Bethel and St. Thomas.

I knew Concordia had a bad loss in them...just didn't think it would come to the Auggies of all people! What's the word on Heikenen Blazer fans? I hope its not season ending, that would be deja vu going back to the Hannon broken hand days...a tough loss for the Blazers if its serious. Does Monahan move into the number one spot now for MVP?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 09, 2006, 08:57:55 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2006, 04:15:02 PM
M&G - It's about as sure a bet as you'll find at this point. They've knocked off St. Cloud, who is second in the region rankings, twice now. They'd have to lose three the rest of the way and have SCSU win out for it to change.

Are you looking to plan a Fighting Sioux protest rally or something? :)

One tongue in cheek comment, and you are never going to let me live it down ;)

Tough loss for the Cobber ladies last night. From what I hear (Maybe I shouldn't be posting this HEARSAY, but I guess I will take the chance) they were outhustled, outboarded, and their defense left something to be desired.

However not all is lost. I have confidence in the coaching staff and veteran players of this team to right the ship and still make a strong playoff push.  Who knows, this loss may have been exactly what the doctor ordered to open some girls' eyes to the fact that there can be no let down games, and you must play all out for the full 40 minutes.

I will be in Moorhead on saturday for the Bethel vs Cobber, so I guess after that I will be qualified to comment on "elbowgate '06"
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 09, 2006, 12:13:28 PM
buf and glory - If you read everything on this board literally and without your salt shaker handy, you're never going to enjoy reading or posting here.

I have plenty of Iowa jokes I could pull out if the cheesehead comments are too politically sensitive...  ::)  For the record, SS51's sister is a fantastic human being and brought some good SE Minny civility to the WIAC.

What a crazy last week we have lined up!  The only guarantees are that the top four teams are in the playoffs, and it'll be fun to see how things shake out.  Heikenen's injury shouldn't be a season-ending one, just a bump in the road.  I'm sure she'll be back to wreak havoc on opposing defenses very soon!

Go BLAZERS!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 09, 2006, 12:19:37 PM
CM- If you are at liberty to say, what exactly happened to Anna??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 09, 2006, 12:55:05 PM
MCL sprain.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 09, 2006, 02:05:50 PM
So is this a two to four week prognosis for Anna H. or is it not even that serious?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 09, 2006, 02:42:39 PM
I have a hunch that Anna will be back for that game in St. Peter in about a week....just a hunch.  If she doesn't play against Hamline however, that could make that game very interesting. As will the Bethel v. Concordia tilt on the same day.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 09, 2006, 06:03:07 PM
Thanks, CM. I was gonna let the WIAC comments slide, because honestly, they make us MIAC grads look snooty and "holier-than-thou". But whatever, I know lots of fantastic people from the WIAC--and I don't even know what their GPAs/ACT scores are!

Good luck to my Cardinals Saturday against UST (also alumni weekend). I guess us old people will get a chance to show what (if anything) we've still got.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 10, 2006, 03:21:33 PM
The Bennies have been conspicuously quiet about the whole Anna H. situation. Is that fear I smell coming from up north? :)

Anyway, can we again start the rant against the whole Bennies getting to play at their own site rather than playing like the rest of the league? Instead of being able to take in two potentially great, conference-ranking deciding games on the 18th (GAC@SJU for 3rd, CSB@GAC for the top spot), we are forced to choose between one or the other. That's a tragedy.

With St. Olaf serving as the only dissenting vote last year, I think it's safe to say it will be returned to "normal" next year. I know of at least three men's coaches who hate it and I'm assuming that's a widely held position.

Oh, and one last thing for M&G:

GRAND FORKS, N.D.--University of North Dakota senior forward Kristi
Boese has been named to the 2006 CoSIDA/ESPN the Magazine Academic
All-District First Team in a vote of the College Sports Information
Directors of America (CoSIDA).Boese majors in elementary education and
carries a 3.41 grade point average.

The 6-foot wing is averaging 15.0, 8.4 and is fourth in the NCC in assists at 4.3. Also leading the league at 51.3 from deep as the Sioux have sprinted to a 26-0 record.

To think, I almost had her convinced to transfer to GAC after her freshman year...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 10, 2006, 03:22:11 PM
Oh, and before someone else points it out, it's pretty clear who got all the talent in the family  :P
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 10, 2006, 03:24:32 PM
Yeah...she's OK I guess :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 10, 2006, 04:19:49 PM
Predictions for the weekend, anybody?

St. Olaf @ Carleton - Carleton is ripe for an upset, but not at home; CC by 9
Augsburg @ Gustavus - can the Ugs rise up again?  Not likely, GAC by 14
Bethel @ Concordia - Cobs tough at home but Bethel needs the playoff help; Christians sweep Concordia for the year (by 2)
Saint Benedict @ Hamline - Blazers sans Heikenen are tested, but CSB by 3 is my pick
St. Thomas @ Saint Mary's - SMU in another shocker, final score=25-24

I found an interesting line on the UST home page today as well... apparently the Tommies current 6 game losing streak is the longest in the 29-year history of the program.  I have to say I didn't think I'd see the day when a perennial conference championship contender would fall this steadily.

And yes, CSB fans are a little nervous about having Anna lead cheers from the bench instead of leading scoring drives to the hoop.  Any team who has a top MVP candidate watching instead of playing isn't happy about the situation.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 10, 2006, 05:06:23 PM
Weekend Games

STO @ Carl:  Knights too tough at home, CC by 14
Auggie @ Gustavus: Auggie plays tough again, but not tough enough away from home, Gac by 10
CSB @ HU: Upset special, Pipers sense weakness of Blazers without Anna, and win a tight one, by 4
STU @ SMU: Does anyone care?  I will take the tommies by 9
BU @ Cord: Cobbers face a tough test with the Royals after the shocker in Minneapolis.  Hageman, Elhert, and Keeley lead the youngsters to a big time home win over Bethel by 8
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 10, 2006, 05:47:30 PM
All I have to say is go Pipers and go Royals!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 11, 2006, 01:51:10 AM
Saturday Games:

UST @ SMU - Both teams playing out the string; should be a happy Alumni weekend for SS51 & the Gang; Birds by 12

Bethel @ Concordia - Corn by 10

CSB @ Hamline - Bennies will struggle in this game but still find a way to win; probably by 6

St. Olaf @ Carleton - My Knights will dispose of their cross-town rival by 15

Augsburg @ GAC - A potentially dangerous game for the Gusties; Auggies won in St. Peter last year and just knocked off Concordia a few nights ago.  As long as Gusties bring their "A" game; they should clear this hurdle by 10

P.S.
They say it happens in threes:  First Jack Snow, then Ron Jessie, now Dick Bass.  R.I.P. #22  :'(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 11, 2006, 02:00:01 AM
Ummm...if the Gusties bring their "A" game, they'll win by 10x4. They brought their "D" game @Auggie Tech and won by 11 earlier this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 11, 2006, 05:16:41 PM
CSB played tough in the second half to pull out a win w/o Anna, 83-80.  Game ball is split 5 ways, if it's my choice.  Kempe, Tauer, Goehner and Noreen all in double figures, and a wonderfully surprising 12 points from Jenna Tody to round things out.

Looks like the CSB-GAC showdown a week from today will be a big one!

Olaf continues the string of MIAC days with at least one shocker, anybody at the Carleton gym to tell us what happened?

I also noticed that Monahan wasn't in the stats for the win over Auggie Tech.  Are the top MVP candidates both banged up right now? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 11, 2006, 07:43:37 PM
UST loses team record 7th consecutive game and only scores 33, losing to SMU by 28 in the process.  0-17 from 3-point territory for a team that relies on the deep ball.  Ouch.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 11, 2006, 07:52:07 PM
Monahan was sick today with what sounds like flu-like symptoms. I'm guessing she could have played if it was absolutely necessary, but since it was against Auggie Tech, no need. The Gusties led by 16 at the half and had only 4 points from Vadnais and obviously 0 from Monahan. Makes me wonder how the heck the Cobbers lost to them just 3 days ago.

Nice games from Michelle Linbo, Sara Boldt, Erin Boese, Emily Nelson, Missy Mills and Kenzie Consoer. I really thought the Pipers were going to pull it off today against the Bennies...oh well. The game next Saturday should be very fun.

I'm still hoping for another Cobber loss...probably not to St. Thomas after today's performance, but that regular season finale against Hamline could loom large for both teams.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 12, 2006, 01:09:59 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 11, 2006, 05:16:41 PM

I also noticed that Monahan wasn't in the stats for the win over Auggie Tech.  Are the top MVP candidates both banged up right now? 

Nope, Hageman is just fine.  Drops 31, 25 in the 2nd half, and  leads the Cobbs to a come from behind win against Bethel on saturday afternoon.

Cobbers still have not put together a full 40 minutes of their best basketball, as they seem to always be close at half and end up on top by about 6 at the end of games. Exciting and stressful for the fans at the same time. Here's hoping  that the Cobbs can stay on track and go 2 and 0 this week and that the Gusties can bump off CSB.

Last thing, I just wanted to say give some props to Bethel's Jen Ahlberg (although it hasn't always been that enjoyable for me to watch her against the Cobbs the last couple years ).  Tremendous player.

I just said something nice about Bethel...I think I need to wash my mouth out. ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 12, 2006, 03:04:43 PM
gacbacker - Didn't you miss someone? In naming so few players, aren't you leaving out a few trainers, the water boy and the stat girls? You're starting to sound like CM...

I'm not sure Monahan could have played yesterday. She was puky and has/had strep.

If GAC beats CSB and everyone else wins out, we have a 3-way tie again. Will there be another lame coin flip to decide homecourt like a few years ago at Carleton?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 12, 2006, 04:04:56 PM
Congratulations to Mike Durbin on his 450th career win yesterday!  It was a great college basketball game with both teams shooting lights out.  It was fun to see the Blazers drop in 83 without Heikenen.  It almost makes me look forward to next year since Heikenen is the only senior.  But, I hope we don't have to think about next year for several more weeks!!!

All I know is that CSB has everything in thier own hands --- win two and they are conference champs and the #1 seed.  If they drop another to GAC they could possibly be as low as the #3 seed as a tri-conference champ.  While CSB controls their own destiny there is definite pressure on the Cobbs to win two this week at UST and home v. Hamline -- they have had their struggles on the road (see Auggie game).   GAC is also in a must-win at home against the Blazers b/c if they lose they will be a #3 seed since they got swept by Concordia and that means the possibility of another long bus trip to Moorhead if they make it to the MIAC tourney semis...

Also fun to see the battle for the #5 and #6 seeds shape up.  A big game Wed with Bethel and Hamline.  St. Kate's can also sneak in if they win two and Bethel or Hamline lose two. 

It is exciting to see things come down to the final week.  I only wish the Blazers were at full-stregth.  Not sure about the status of Heikenen for this week but if she has to miss the next two games in order to be ready for the playoffs then so be it...we need her healthy come tournament time!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 12, 2006, 05:33:47 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if the three way tie occurs I believe it would be 1. Concordia 2. Gustavus 3. St. Ben's. Concordia would be 3-1 vs. the other two teams, GAC would be 2-2 and St. Ben's would be 1-3.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 13, 2006, 11:22:45 AM
Geez, quiet times around here lately

Quote from: gacbacker on February 12, 2006, 05:33:47 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if the three way tie occurs I believe it would be 1. Concordia 2. Gustavus 3. St. Ben's. Concordia would be 3-1 vs. the other two teams, GAC would be 2-2 and St. Ben's would be 1-3.

That is the way that I have had it explained to me, and I for one am hoping for that secnario to play out.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: randle on February 13, 2006, 11:27:21 AM
MIAC Women's Basketball Tie Breaking Procedure
1. Head to head competition
2. Results against all teams above those tied
3. Results against above teams beginning in rank order.
4. Order of losses beginning with the 12th seed and moving up to the tied teams.
5. Best road record.
6. Coin flip.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 13, 2006, 01:44:56 PM
Didn't get to see it but what a bad loss for Carleton on Saturday.  Just when you thought the freshmen were starting to "get it" and the Knights were on a nice little roll they go and lay an egg on their home floor no less to crosstown St. Olaf.  Hopefully, they can right the ship this week with SMU at home on Wednesday and up at Bethel on Saturday.  Darn those tricky Oles anyway.  They are a tough team to figure out.  Meanwhile,  I did get to catch CSB's close win over Hamline on Saturday.  I was very impressed with both Ariel Tauer and Jenna Tody as both came up big in the second half when the Blazers were in some trouble.  For whatever reason, Hamline just cannot seem to get over the hump in terms of beating the top teams.

On a happier note, I was glad to see GAC handily dispose of Augsburg on Saturday.  Willy, considering the close calls the Gusties have had recently and the fact that Augsburg dumped Concordia last week you never know.  Anyway, GAC covered the spread with room to spare and now can focus on what looms ahead..........

For sure a VERY interesting week coming up.  Can both Bethel and Hamline hold on to the 5 and 6 spots respectively or will the Kitties manage to sneak in there?  Can my Knights avoid a late season free-fall (they'd better)?  All of course leading up to the showdown in St. Peter this Saturday.            
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 13, 2006, 10:33:33 PM
I did some quick homework on the Kitty Kats of CSC and I discovered that they swept Hamline, but lost twice to Bethel.  Therefore, St. Kate's will make the playoffs if they go 2-0 and Hamline goes 1-1 this week, or if St. Kate's goes 1-1 and Hamline goes 0-2.  St. Kate's is home to Olaf and at UST.  Hamline is home to Bethel and at Concordia.  You gotta love the chances for those upstart Wildcats. 

We are all eager to find out what happens on Wednesday at St. Ben's as it is senior night (or as we like to say, "Heikenen Night.")  I hope Anna is able to suit up and play at least a few minutes against the Auggies. 

What a game at Hamline.  That was a thriller, and I give the Blazers credit for being able to mount a comeback when the Pipers had 7 different players hit 3 pointers in the first half alone.  Even though Heikenen is the lone senior this year, CSB had 5 juniors on the court together Saturday with Kempe, Dalhed, Noreen, Goehner and Boone.  That gives St. Ben's a lot of experience coming down the home stretch.  I hope it is enough.  Even with an expanded field, I am afraid the NCAA will only take two of the three deserving teams from the MIAC this year.  And if Carleton pulls out the upset in the tourney, there will be two very good teams sitting at home this year from our conference.  That's why I think the game at Gustavus this Saturday is so huge.  Blazers, don't you look past Wednesday though...remember what happened to Concordia. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 14, 2006, 12:31:23 PM
"Kelby Krabbenhoft, who is heading an effort to bring the Vikings'
training camp to Sioux Falls, S.D., reiterated Monday that his group
will not participate in a bidding war with Duluth or Fargo, N.D.
Business leaders in both cities also have expressed interest.
Krabbenhoft's committee is scheduled to meet Friday. "

Is that any relation to the Cobbs player? Tell her to tell her dad the Vikes are just fine in Mankato! :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 14, 2006, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 14, 2006, 12:31:23 PM
"Kelby Krabbenhoft, who is heading an effort to bring the Vikings'
training camp to Sioux Falls, S.D., reiterated Monday that his group
will not participate in a bidding war with Duluth or Fargo, N.D.
Business leaders in both cities also have expressed interest.
Krabbenhoft's committee is scheduled to meet Friday. "

Is that any relation to the Cobbs player? Tell her to tell her dad the Vikes are just fine in Mankato! :)

I believe that that is Sarah's father.  Incidently, her brother Joe is a freshmen with the U of Wisconsin, and is getting quite a few minutes for the Badgers...I bet he could have helped out the Cobber men this year  :(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 15, 2006, 02:52:07 AM
M&G - Rumor has it Poppa Krabbenhoft was a benchwarmer back when Poppa Wonka was a Cobber on the 70s. Sarah's mom must have a sweet athletic background  ;)

Mr. Jessica Walden will be making the trek up to Grand Forks with me March 10-13 for the regional. Should I invite the Cobbers too, who are sure to be done by then? :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: holbi1 on February 15, 2006, 07:46:01 PM
It has been awhile since I have seen CSB play but I did catch the CSB-UST
contest down at St. Paul a couple of weeks ago. Great to see CSB win against the hated Tommies.

I was very impressed with the athleticism and quickness of this CSB team.
However, I did see some chinks in their defense, especially footwork and screening out opponents on shots. Some of this will come with experience
but I worry how much this will affect post season play.

Just my impression....what do you all think? :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 15, 2006, 07:56:40 PM
Terrible news for the Gusties. According to the Gustie radio announcer, Michelle Linbo likely tore her ACL in the first half. Though she wasn't starting, she played the most of any GAC PG and was clearly their best player at that spot.

Given Sviggum's unwillingness to shoot and Raymo's lack of height, I could see Vadnais taking over the bulk of the ball handling duties in crunch time with freshman Emily Nelson sliding into her wing slot.

That's a tough blow though, for Linbo personally as a senior and GAC as a team, especially against a worthless opponent like Mac.  :'(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 15, 2006, 09:00:15 PM
Wonka is unfortunately and very sadly correct.  :'(  An uncoordinated, unathletic and untalented Macalester team comes to St. Peter and the Gusties lose a senior point guard. The Scots looked like a bunch of 6th graders out there causing awkward collisions all over the place. 7 points in the first half for the Scots...if this is the type of team they are going to field, my vote would be for them to not play the other teams in the conference at all. Pagel was the only player on the team who looked like she belonged playing college basketball...I reckon I could take a group of girls off an intramural team at most other MIAC schools and beat Macalester...what a waste.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 15, 2006, 11:28:20 PM
The playoffs are now set as St. Kate's blows their chance with a loss to Olaf tonight...Bethel backs into the #6 spot with the loss at Hamline. Bethel and Kate's could end in a tie, but Bethel holds the tie breaker with 2 head to head wins. So Carleton vs. Hamline in the in the first round and then Bethel at one of the top three.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 16, 2006, 01:24:15 PM
An exciting game over at Hutton Arena last night as Hamline clinched a first-ever playoff berth (and now the 5th spot) in the program's history with a 61-60 victory over Bethel.  Bethel had a last-gasp chance with 2.7 seconds left but the inbounds pass play to Heather Davis went askew thus securing the win for the Pipers.  Speaking of Ms. Davis, she was at it AGAIN last night; this time in the form of all but tackling a Hamline player on a fast-break layup (Kelly Lines).  Lines was uninjured in the mishap but was clearly agitated.  Look, even I'm hard-pressed to believe that Davis is mean-spirited and is/was looking to intentionally hurt someone.  On the other hand, it just looks bad and there clearly is a pattern here.  In any event, Bethel uses the back-door route into the MIAC post-season with St. Kate's losing to arguably the hottest team in the MIAC right now in St. Olaf.

Glad to see Carleton cruise last night.  I think they needed a lopsided win just to get their swagger back after last Saturday's improbable home loss.  Hopefully, TM-F will rest Vig and perhaps Oken-Berg for Saturday's meaningless game up at Bethel.  I would do it simply because I would want to have Vig completely rested and healthy for Monday night's 1st round playoff game.

Very sad indeed that Linbo got hurt last night  :(.  I would like to think that either Nelson, Raymo, or Sviggum can step right in and get the job done.  Nonetheless, an ill-timed, costly injury.  I would be hesitant in blaming strictly Mac and/or a certain player(s).  Whether we like it or not, these things unfortunately happen, often at the worst possible times.  For whatever reason, women seem to be especially susceptible to this type of injury.  She's not the first one to go down with this type of an injury and likely won't be the last :-[.   

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 16, 2006, 02:02:30 PM


Well the Cobbers survive a subpar first half performance to get the 70-55 win over the Tommies last night.  Frosh Jenna Freudenberg (sp?) leads the Cobbs with 18 and Keeley kicks in with 14.

Regular season wraps up saturday in Moorhead vs the playoff bound Pipers. There is still hope for a conference championship if the Cobbs win and GAC takes down the evil empire that is CSB...so it looks like I am cheering for the Cobbers and the Gusties this weekend.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 16, 2006, 05:59:19 PM
LA;

New poster, long time reader.

Now that you've brought it up again, I had a ringside seat at the Royal/Cobber game last weekend. I got to see Ms. Davis in action. I noted that on post entry passes, if she can, Ms. Davis throws her elbows back into her defender to create space. Cleary an offensive foul. In addition, twice during the game she threw her shoulder into a cobber defender trying to follow her player through the lane. I'm not referring to the kind of "Bump" we all come to expect if one enters the lane in the MIAC, I'm talking about a deliberate forward shoulder thrust. In both cases, the Cobber player was sent to the floor, no call by a referee.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on February 16, 2006, 06:19:38 PM
Korn, or should I say Mr. White.  I knew you were a reader of this stupid site when I heard you through the whole game yelling "watch her elbows" or "thats a foul".  Let the refs call the game and keep your stupid comments attacking a young women to your self.  I don't hear Heather whinning about having a tooth knocked out, getting a concussion, or getting two black eyes while playing in MIAC games.  Grow up! >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 16, 2006, 06:33:23 PM
Ooh, touched a nerve here!  :D

Color's yellow and who attacked a young girl? Thought I commentd upon play. That's not an attack, it's an observation and that's what these sites are for.
If the site is so stupid, why are you here?

Heather?  ???

Make sure you have your facts right before throwing names around. Might be embarassing...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 16, 2006, 07:08:37 PM
So what's everybody's prediction for Saturday's games. I'm guessing the Cobbers will have an easy time with Hamline because the Pipers have nothing to play for, while the cobbers have a conference title to play for.

Concordia 73 Hamline 60

As for the Gustavus/St. Ben's game, I really don't know how this one is going to turn out. Will the Gusties play with emotion after Linbo's injury or will they look sluggish on offense? I also can't decide who I would rather play in the semifinals...if GAC loses to St. Ben's they would have to beat Bethel and then go to Concordia. If GAC beats St. Ben's they would play the winner of the St. Ben's/Bethel game (likely St. Ben's for a second time in 5 days). Personally I would rather play Bethel and then go to Concordia rather than having to beat St. Ben's twice in 5 days.

Gustavus 65 St. Ben's 64
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on February 16, 2006, 07:36:10 PM
Chris,
It doesn't take much to figure out who is posting here.  I don't believe that players or coaches are allowed to post to this board, so thinking that Heather is posting to the board or hearing your constant whinning during a game is unrealistic.

Gac,
I would like to see nothing more then for Bethel to have the chance to knock off the Gusties in the 1st round, but I don't believe that you will beat Bens on Saturday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 16, 2006, 09:16:20 PM
Okay, people. Can we please use spell check? Its whining, not whinning. Some vicious arguments between Naf and Korn...why so late in the game? Since my team won't make the playoffs, I'll have to cheer for my sister's alma mater to win theirs...I just can't bring myself to root for another MIAC team. Sorry all...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on February 16, 2006, 10:41:08 PM
Sorry She_Scores 51, I never could spell.  Thank god for spell check, maybe I should try using it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 16, 2006, 11:23:19 PM
Naf - Players posting is generally frowned upon, but it does happen. In fact, it was even encouraged on the football board when the starting QB at Auggie Tech posted, because he was informational and an otherwise solid (ie not troublemaking) poster who offered some insight on the new head coach. Heck, I posted as a player too.

The Bennies remain quiet, but Anna H. returned in style Wednesday (20 and 8 ). I'd assume that means she's 100%. Hurts to think the injury tables have turned so much in one night in the MIAC, especially with Saturday's game looming.

With three different schools mad at her, Miss Davis has certainly made a name for herself around the league. I've no idea how old she is, but I'd almost be curious if the league office gets a few complaints about her this offseason and sends a memo around to the refs. It may be justified.

If the Gusties end up hosting Bethel - or CSB hosts the Royals even, they better bring in some extra security to keep the crowd - parents and students - off her if Davis brings high elbows to the party again. I'm guessing both remain fairly upset and will be quick to jump on something of a similar nature.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 17, 2006, 11:53:23 AM


Tempers boiling over near the tape of the MIAC race...I like it.

I tend to believe that Saturday's games will both be very competitive.  GAC and CSB should come right down to the wire, but for some reason I just think the Blazers will get the W, and lock up the #1 seed.  The Piper /Cobber game in Moorhead should be pretty good as well. The Cobbers need to get the win to have a shot at #1, and the Pipers seem to be playing really well lately as well. Plus you have to throw in the Mandy factor, as the former Cobber maestro now is a member of the Hamline staff, so you know the Cobber ladies will be pumped up to play their former teammate.  Should be a fun way to wrap up the regular season.

Seriously how cold is it this morning???   Numbers like -20 and -45 wind chill all run together, all I know is that it is cold enough for me to wear a Mad Bomber hat, and that is pretty damn cold.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 17, 2006, 04:32:33 PM
-20 and -45 are the best two reasons that come to mind to not have to travel to (or live in) Moorhead.  Although my Blazers were the consumate road warriors in last season's conference playoffs, I'd rather not do it again.

Bummer about Linbo, I know her cousins.  It's always horrible to end your senior year without having a say in the matter.  Ask Danni Hannon how it felt to break her hand with a week left a few years back.  It sucks for all involved.

I'm looking forward to the clash in St. Pete tomorrow, and I feel good about CSB's chances.  If losing Linbo means that GAC has more trouble entering the ball to Monahan, then I feel really good about the outcome.

Heikenen is definitely back at it, and looked well rested against the Ugs.  Although I'll never like the GAC cave, it'd be great to see Anna wrap up an undivided conference championship in her last MIAC regular season game.

CSB 68, GAC 63  is my pick.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 17, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
GAC alumni game preceding tomorrow's affair. I was supposed to play Stripes, but working until 2am and waking up at 8am to do it just wasn't going to happen.

I like sleep.

However, I'll still be there for the game. I'll share my completely unbiased report when I get a chance :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 18, 2006, 02:23:15 AM
CM- Don't count on Monahan's touches being reduced because of Linbo's injury...Vadnais and Boese have the most assists to Bri anyways...Where Linbo will be missed is on the fast break...tomorrow's game is important for GAC not only because a conf. championship is on the line, but they have to get comfortable with playing without Linbo for the playoffs. Whether that means more of Sviggum or Raymo or neither, it will be interesting to see what lineup will emerge as the most effective.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 18, 2006, 11:02:15 AM
Wish I could make it to one of the games today; preferably in St. Peter where the Bennies and Gusties will clash.  However, this afternoon my alma mater comes a' callin' into Williams Arena to take on the goofy Gophs.  Much like the CSB - GAC clash, it should be a good one. 

While I hate to see Linbo out does her absence really hurt the Gusties that much?  I just think that the Sviggum, Nelson, Raymo triumverate can step in and do just fine.  Much like before, I think the real key for the Gusties is how their trapping "D" can disrupt the Bennie offensive flow.  Another question:  Can Monahan avoid early foul trouble that has plagued her in a few contests this season?  In the end, I think you'll see GAC winning something like 72-67.

Memo to TM-F:  You DON'T need this win today.  PLEASE rest MV as much as possible, get through the thing in one piece and concentrate on Monday night's affair.

The playoffs start next week.  I'm ready.       
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 19, 2006, 12:34:35 PM
 ;D Blazers Win MIAC Championship  ;D Congratulations Coach Durbin and team ;D Good Luck in the Playoffs ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 19, 2006, 01:48:03 PM
Blazers had too many weapons yesterday...I thought Tauer and Dalhed were the difference makers. The Gusties on the other hand had 1 and a half weapons...the Blazers did a nice job of blanketing Vadnais for most of the game.

The MVP vote will be interesting to see...I think it's going to come down to Heikenen and Monahan with Hageman finishing third. If the Gusties win yesterday, Monahan is a shoe in for the MVP in my opinion, but now that the Blazers won the conference outright it makes Heikenen a strong choice.

If Gustavus and Carleton can hold serve at home tomorrow, it's going to be a great night of basketball on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 19, 2006, 03:56:02 PM
Great game yesterday in St. Peter, and congrats to my Blazers on the un-shared championship!  ;D ;D

GAC, and especially Monahan, played a very good game.  If I was voting for the conference MVP, it's Heikenen.  You could site personal bias here, but CSB ended up on top of the conference, and she's the best player on the team.  Anna scored 18 yesterday while being BLANKETED by Gustie defenders throughout.

MIAC playoffs should be classic games, as there are no weak teams in this year.  Anything could happen!

GO BLAZERS!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 19, 2006, 05:38:27 PM
Long post warning :)

Monahan put up 27 and 7 yesterday against the best team in the league, keeping the Gusties in the game almost single-handedly despite being the focus of the CSB defense. Her numbers would have been better, but she got smoked in the face on a jumper - no foul was called when the ref was 2 feet away on the baseline - and it reopened her stitches from the Bethel game.

The game was stopped when she crumpled to the floor and she was sent to the bench for around 5 minutes in the second half to stop the bleeding. After Monahan had cut the Bennie lead from 11 to 4 with two baskets and a 3-pointer, the Bennies stretched the lead back up and GAC never got within 6 again I don't think. Needless to say, it was a HUGE non-call that completely changed the flow of the game.

The Gusties missed Linbo something fierce. Sviggum made a steal and missed a wide open layup at the end of the first half and Raymo airboarded another wide open layup in the second half, making them a combined 0-4 on shots within 2 feet. The Bennies effectively pressured Raymo fullcourt and Kempe got where she wanted to on the court all day against the GAC guards.

Also, strange ending to the first half. After Sviggum missed her layup, she got the board and tried to go back up. She was hacked and the ref put his hand up as if to call a foul. The person I was sitting next to said it was an open fist - as opposed to the closed-fist foul motion - but there was clearly time on the clock and both teams remained on the court as if expecting him to head to the scorer's table to make the call. He didn't.

It's hard to complain about that call when the basket should have been converted on the previous shot though. The Bennies were just the better team. Ariel Tauer was particularly impresssive, as gacbacker mentioned. CSB just has too many weapons to focus solely on Heikenen, who finished with 17 and 5. When four finish in double figures and none is the team's second-leading scorer, that's tough to stop.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 19, 2006, 05:50:23 PM
Oh, I forgot to disclose my Durbin sketchy point of the day.

I mentioned GACs need for refs in my last post late Friday night. Apparently the Bennies had a JVer go down with a concussion, so Durbin didn't feel like bringing the other 15 players in his program - who don't play varsity - down for the game.

He called and canceled late Friday night, apparently not realizing his varsity might benefit from sleeping in until the very last minute.

Selfish.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 19, 2006, 09:37:50 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 19, 2006, 05:50:23 PM
Oh, I forgot to disclose my Durbin sketchy point of the day.

I mentioned GACs need for refs in my last post late Friday night. Apparently the Bennies had a JVer go down with a concussion, so Durbin didn't feel like bringing the other 15 players in his program - who don't play varsity - down for the game.

He called and canceled late Friday night, apparently not realizing his varsity might benefit from sleeping in until the very last minute.

Selfish.
You are so unbiased with all your Durbin posts. A perfect example of adding 2+2=5  You never let facts get in the way of your posts.. ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 19, 2006, 10:33:31 PM
Besides hand-selecting the officials and passing on the JV game, here are some other things Durbin did to give his team an edge:

- Convinced GAC coach Mickey Haller that Ariel Tauer can't go left
- Sent Darby Noreen into the Gustavus huddle to find out what play they were going to run.
- Moved the free throw line closer to the basket in the second half. 
- Allowed the team to watch that classic motivational film "50 First Dates" on the bus ride to St. Peter
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 19, 2006, 11:38:25 PM
So I'm supposed to believe it's just coincidence Durbin canceled the JV game late the night before, allowing the varsity to sleep for a few more hours prior to the MIAC-title clinching game? Convenient, no? Rules are obviously made to be broken - by Durbin.

I'll beat people to the punch here...who wants to play Julia to my Mel? :)

Take my compliment, that the Bennies were simply better than the Gusties, and stop defending the indefensible...unless you want to spill the so-called facts as to why I'm wrong. You're trying to tell me a team who proudly points to cutting high school all conference players couldn't field a squad of 8-10 because of one concussion? I'd love to see Durbin say that with a straight face. Heck, I bet Danni Hannon, who played in the GAC alumni game prior to Saturday's game, would have suited up if they were THAT short.

Durbin = Weak sauce
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 19, 2006, 11:52:11 PM
GACker sketchy point of the day: Wonka trying to take attention away from the fact that his team got schooled at HOME with a conference title on the line...

Wonka --- you are a fool for your JV game comments.  Take a moment to look at facts before your senseless Durbin  bashing.  Here is a simple little math problem for your simple little mind.  There are 18 players on the CSB roster.  CSB played 11, yes 11, in the varsity game yesterday.  A 12th, Jenna Tody, has been playing good varsity minutes when necessary lately (with Anna'a injury) so she could not play JV if she was needed for varsity.  That leaves 6 players.  Then, one got a concussion.  That leaves 5 players for a JV game --- and you cannot play a whole game with 5 players.  GET A CLUE!!!

Anyway, the game was great yesterday and, despite what Wonka thinks, the refs had NOTHING to do with the outcome.  CSB was the better and more talented team.  Period.  Heck, until the final 1:30 the refs had called 14 fouls on CSB and 10 on GAC.  In the last 1:30, when GAC was fouling on purpose, they called 5 fouls on GAC to make the final foul count 15-14...

But, Wonka, think whatever you want to think about Durbin and the Blazers.  It does not matter to them as they decide where to put their new conference title banner and relax tomorrow while getting ready for a home game on Wednesday!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on February 20, 2006, 02:53:27 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 19, 2006, 11:38:25 PM
You're trying to tell me a team who proudly points to cutting high school all conference players couldn't field a squad of 8-10 because of one concussion?


That's funny........
but, if the shoe fits?..............
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 03:27:59 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 19, 2006, 11:38:25 PM
So I'm supposed to believe it's just coincidence Durbin canceled the JV game late the night before, allowing the varsity to sleep for a few more hours prior to the MIAC-title clinching game? Convenient, no? Rules are obviously made to be broken - by Durbin.

There are rules about JV games? Man, show me that rulebook. I've been missing out.

JV schedules are constantly in flux. If you think this is unique you're crazy.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 20, 2006, 10:40:20 AM
BB and TDT lover - I've been called worse than crazy and a fool. Keep it coming, guys. I love it.

Since when does CSB not have a real JV team? How long does it take one to realize 5 or 6 kids isn't enough for a game? If the decision was correct, the timing seems silly.

If you think the missed foul on Monahan didn't effect the outcome of the game, you're crazy. She was a one-girl show that CSB had no answer for. You are honestly trying to argue her being forced out of the game for an extended period in the second half due to a missed call didn't benefit the Bennies and help decide the outcome??

Anyway, let's steer this back to an actual basketball topic now...

The MVP race should be interesting. Monahan, Hageman and Heikenen seem like the top contenders - in that order, if I'm voting - with Vig having an outside shot at the crown. Let's look at the numbers.

Monahan - 19.6 points (1st), 6.6 rebounds (7th), 1.1 assists, 51% shooting (5th), 41 steals (3rd), 19 blocks (6th) in 25.1 minutes
Hageman - 17.6 ppg (3rd), 7.6 rpg (4th), 1.1 apg, 59% shooting (1st), 21 steals, 2 blocks in 30.8 (11th)
Heikenen - I can't navigate the CSB page to find the stats, but he's what I know - feel free to fill these in someone...17.9 ppg (2nd), 6.4 rpg (11th), 47% shooting (8th), not top 15 in any other stat

I'd love to see some sort of efficiency rating for Monahan. She's putting up amazing numbers in around 5 minutes less action than either of the other two.

The Bennies would still be very solid without Heikenen, whereas the Cobbs and Gusties would be struggling to stay afloat without their top players. That doesn't decide the race, but it should give bonus points to the two non-Bennies. Anna H may be the best player on the best team, but everyone expected them to be there in the end. The Cobbs and Gusties were surprises this season - with a few even suggesting their teams wouldn't make the playoffs - and those two are the reason why.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 20, 2006, 11:49:38 AM
Let's add the fact that Monahan is more versatile than the other two players and much harder to guard. Monahan can step out and hit the three, drive from the high post and score from the low block. Hageman doesn't shoot the three and while Heikenen can hit the three, she didn't as often as Monahan did.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 20, 2006, 12:06:39 PM
So what are the picks tonight??

I would have to go with the Carls and Gusties holding serve at home, but here is a question.  What happens if the Royals pull the upset, do they then go to CSB on wednesday night??

A little late with the Cobber game review, but here goes:  Cobbs come out of hte gate strong and fast (finally) and get up big on the Pipers.  It did seem that they went lax and certain points of the game though, and Hamline never went away, and made a competitive game the whole way through.

Tori Elhert had a HUGE game with 16 and 8, and that production would be huge in the playoffs.  Anne Keeley fills up the entire stat sheet with 13pts 10 rebs, 5 asst. 4 steals, and 2 blocks.  MVP candidtate Hageman is quiet from the field (1 for 4) but still gets to the line 16 times and converts on 10 of them, and Jess Hientz comes off the bench and goes 4 of 4 from the land of 3 for 12 big points.  Cobbers are playing well and Moorhead should be rocking for the semifinal game of wednesday night.

Cobbers end the regular season as the leading rebounding team in the conference. This is kinda surprising, seeing that there is not a player 6 feet or above that sees significant time.

As far as the MVP talk.  I agree that Hageman, Monahan and Hiekenen are the definite top three, and I dont know who comes away with it.  They are all great players and I can't say any of the three don't deserve the honor. If I were betting I would say Anna H. comes away with it because of her stats, career numbers, and team's success. I would obviously like to see Mel H. get it, but I just dont see a sophmore getting the nod without putting up stats that TOTALLY stand head and shoulders above the others, but I'm sure hoping.


Wow that was really long...oh well, what else do we all have to do today??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 20, 2006, 01:13:02 PM
I'll be making it down to N'field tonight for the Hamline - Carleton tilt.  It should be a good contest but I think the Knights will take control in the second half with Megan Vig leading the way.  Still, give Hamline a lot of credit for stepping up and getting their first-ever MIAC playoff birth. 
The Gusties presumably should be able to take care of business against the free-falling Christians.  I guess GAC misses Linbo a lot more than I originally thought they would. 

I would love to see either Megan Vig or Bri Monahan get MVP although I have no problem if it goes to AH.  She's a great player, too, and is equally deserving.

Not a very good weekend on my end.  Iowa going down to Minnesota, UCLA likewise to USC last night, and the Gusties blowing a golden opportunity to snare a piece of the conference title  :-[.  Ugh.  Thank God my Knights prevented this weekend from being a complete disaster.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Hoopsheart on February 20, 2006, 01:53:54 PM
This is my first time participating on this site.  I have only been watchin MIAC women's hoops for 3 years now but what an education.  This may very well  be the one of the 3 best D3 women's leagues in the country.  My kid talked to the U of Chicago coach 3 years ago and she looked down her nose at anything west of Chicago...the kid talked to Johnson at Ripon too but she didn't blink when the kid told 'er that she was goin to the MIAC.

I have one suggestion ,however, directed toward the Gustie, Carlton, and Concordia folks (the St. Benny people too if you aren't too comfortable with the way things are).

Something must be done about the officiating and the "good ol' boy" network at the conference offices.  There are at least 4 officials who should not be allowed to manage a rock garden let alone control a top quality MIAC hoops game.  The method of evaluating and selecting officials for specific games must be made MUCH more transparent...coaches like the "Benny boy" must not be allowed to rule their home courts by intimidating the same tired, old, post retirement officials that have been servicing St. Bens since Jesus was a PFC.

This is a problem which if not faced, is gunna kill the golden goose.  All the women's programs are getting noticably better starting with coaching  but if something is not done to improve the officiating at St.  Bens, Gustavus and Carlton specifically, then the rest of the league will sink back and the quality at the top will not continue to perform at a high level in post season.  This is a concern of mine that I hope some of you folks at the "annointed" schools will recognize as legitimate. 

I would also like to express a concern I have that is even more serious than the above but, actually part of the foregoing...the "chippy", no I'll say DIRTY play at Bethal must be called out and the league must hold the head coach to account.  My kid's team beat those folks twice and didn't lose anyone (luckily) but the cheap shots, bump and run picks and clothsline switches started in warmups and didn't end until well after the final buzzer.  And this was at BOTH their place and ours!!!  The fact that their "hatchet lady" has taken 3 of the best players in the league out is no coincidence...unfortunately, the dirty play is not limited to that designated thug, but includes both front and back court players.  The coach must  be held accountable to the league for this and officials must be competent and confident enough to take control from the opening tip in every  Bethal game.

Finally, tonight's games may be very interesting...I hope the Gusties ken take care of business but it won't be easy unless the officials get a grip early.  And, don't be surprised at the outcome down in Northfield...the wicked witch a the west may jest get her britches bundled tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Hoopsheart on February 20, 2006, 02:36:14 PM
I would like to add  a compliment to Concordia fans...you're the best folks in hosting visiting spectators,  real class and a really class program (some other folks out in the middle a the prairie might take notice).  Thanx Cobber fans
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 20, 2006, 02:43:49 PM
Wonka,

I need to make one last JV game comment because there is one major fact that blows your whole theory.  The JV team was scheduled to leave two hours prior to the varsity team on a mini-bus.  Therefore, Durbin had no reason to "get out" of the JV game.  It had no affect on when the varsity team left campus.  

See you at CSB on Saturday for the rubber match.  
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 20, 2006, 02:46:14 PM
Hoopsheart,

I think your shot at UM Morris is undeserved.  They are not even in the MIAC and it's not their fault that they are on a prairie.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 20, 2006, 02:49:53 PM
Hoopsheart - Coming out with both guns blazing! I love it! I believe the proper opening line is "Long time reader, first time poster" but we'll forgive you this time. Welcome to the board :)

I agree with your assessment of the refs. They are awful. However, it's tough to get new blood into a thankless position. Is the pay really worth giving up your nights, often after working a "real" job, to get ridiculed three times a week? Most would say no. Also, I'd suggest sitting with former MIAC stars prior to tipoff - they can usually tell you before the game even starts if it's going to be particularly ugly by who's in stripes. It's actually fairly comical how bad things can get.

I'm not sure why you single out specific schools, however. Durbin and Terrible Tammy are notorious for "working" refs, but Mickey, at GAC, doesn't really say much and complains with a smile on her face. I believe the refs who do MIAC games travel all over the league - with the possible exception of Concordia, who likely draws from a more local crowd. Thus you should be seeing the same terrible crews at different venues across the league.

I'm going to withhold judgement of Davis and Bethel, who has been condemned about a dozen times on this board so far, until after I see them tonight. I'd love to think you're wrong...but I doubt you are.

scorekeeper - Bennies on a short bus? I love it! :)

I'd love to be there. However, as I recently posted on the men's site, I'm stuck covering local wrestling until around 9pm apparently. Even if I get out early, I doubt the 3 hour drive is in the works...unless you can beam me up from Rochester, I'll be stuck handling phone call updates while I'm trying to do interviews  >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Hoopsheart on February 20, 2006, 03:21:35 PM
Scorekeeper,

Sigh...see my comments to the Cobber fans, they could serve as role models for you Bennie folks. But it's must be tough ta recognize proper social behavior if ya don't get outta St. Joseph unless yer drafted inta the Marine Corps.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: onearmedscot on February 20, 2006, 04:19:10 PM
Thought I would throw the latest feature of the oAs.com site (http://www.geocities.com/onearmedscot/quotecontest.html) up on the women's board as there is a Tammy Tantrum reference...

oAs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gunk on February 20, 2006, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: blazerball on February 19, 2006, 11:52:11 PM
GACker sketchy point of the day: Wonka trying to take attention away from the fact that his team got schooled at HOME with a conference title on the line...

What is this!! St Ben's "schooled" the Gusties?

                           St Bens              Gusties

Total FG's. . . . . . . 24-56. . . . . . . .  22-54
3-Pt . . . . . . . . . . .   2-13. . . . . . . .    5-12
Freethrows . . . . .  20-24. . . . . . . . .11-13
Off Rebounds. . . .      8   . . . . . . . .      7
Def Rebounds . .  .    26  . . . . . . . .      27
Total Rebounds . .    34   . . . . . . . .     34
Fouls. . . . . . . . . . .    14  . . . . . . . .     15
Total Points . . . . .     70 . . . . . . . . . . . 60
Assists  . . . . . . . .     11 . . . . . . . . . . .   8
Turnovers . . . . . . .    14 . . . . . . . . . .   16
Blocks . . . . . . . . .       5 . . . . . . . . . .     3
Steals . . . . . . . . . .     8 . . . . . . . . . . .  10

If you call a game that is statistically that close a "schooling", then your perception is skewed. If you're a fisherman, I'd want to see the fish you caught and not the one you want to tell me about!

This was a very good game, played hard by all participants. It had to have been extremely difficult for the Gusties, after losing their strongest point-guard on Wednesday to make adjustments in there game before playing the leading team
(Your Bennies) in the conference on Saturday.

As it was, they did a fine job, pulling to within 2 points in the second half and then not trailing by more than six until the very end when the usual game end fouls allowed St Bens to get their final points.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 20, 2006, 05:25:02 PM
Everyone wants to talk about women trying to make their game more like the men's game.  Yet, when one women's team finally plays aggressive and physical like a men's team, they are called a dirty team and a bunch of thugs.  HoopsH, you've only posted three times, and I already think you are an idiot parent that only sees things one sided.  I suppose your daughter never fouls, gets fouled every time she shoots, and should be playing 40 minutes a game.  The reffing in the MIAC is awful, but they are not LETTING BU get away with dirty play.  Just cause your daughter has never played BIG TIME Basketball, don't think that the style needs to be the pansy high school version.  Suck it up and start playing the game the way it is supposed to be played.  Basketball is a contact sport.  Girls can be aggressive just like the boys and not be thugs.  The comments on Heather need to stop because no one on this site knows her nor what they are talking about.  If you daughter jacks someone, is she a thug?  End of story, let it go.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Hoopsheart on February 20, 2006, 05:57:09 PM
East Coast MIAC Fan,

Your response to the thuggery of the Bethal women's team does nothin' for the image of Bethal or Bethal supporters.  As for trying to make the women's game more like the men's...I've played and watched basketball for 45 years and if ANY mens team tried the same intimidation and outright cheap retaliation when they're gettin beat, they'd be run out of the gym first by thier own fans with the refs right behind 'em. 

This behavior is a coaching problem...at the very least the coach can't control his players, and at worst it's a coaching strategy.  It starts in the gym in practice and is played out on the court during games.  Don't give me that crap about makin' it as physical as the mens game...we are not talkin about good hard basketball, we're talkin about bump and run picks away from the ball, clothsline switches to the throat with elbows locked (intent to injure). and straight line elbows to the head in front of God and everyone.

As for my kid...she's one of the toughest players on her squad, she always has a bruised lip, black eye er other badge of hard play and she's one of the smallest players on the team.  You are , in my opinion, a major part of the problem  because you don't understand the game enough to recogonize or appreciate good, CLEAN, hard play from any team, yours or an oponent.  I hope the real Bethal fans can get this problem under control before you and a few out of control players smear the image of the whole school.

And if I see you in the gym after one of the games ...I'll show ya what I mean by dirty play!

KEEP THE FAITH AND STAY OUTTA MY WAY!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 20, 2006, 06:14:59 PM
Heart,
How many times and how often have you been to a game at Claire Lynch?  You have been watching MIAC games for 3 years but I would be willing to bet that you have not been to Claire Lynch more than three games (at the outside four times).  But, that must make you an expert.  What terrible behavior have you observed in the stands?  The large group of nuns sitting right in the middle of the CSB side do tend to get rowdy and they are just nasty human beings.  All the people around the sisters take their lead from them and are just nasty and terrible people...spitting on opponents, cursing at and beating up players and fans from the other team, making sure that the walking path is extra slippery where the opponents will be walking, giving opponents cold water in the visitors locker room.  All that and we buy every referee...we give them cash, cars, jewelry...anything they want to make sure they call the game our way.  I'm just bummed that you and everyone else on the board is on to us..dang it...twenty years and someone finally figured us out!

gunk,
The "schooled" reference may not have been dead accurate but the fact remains CSB won in your house with a conference title on the line.  CSB was up eight at half - before Monahan got hurt - and was only in trouble for about four or five minutes in the second half when Monahan went off before taking back control.  But, if Monahan had played 40 minutes and never been injured then they would have dominated us...what am I thinking?  Linbo...their strongest point guard?  She was not even starting and had 35 assists and 33 turnovers before she got hurt.  But, hey, if Monahan had played 40 and Linbo was working her magic CSB could have never won...unless we bought the referees...like we always do!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gunk on February 20, 2006, 06:44:43 PM
blazerball:

We won at your house with Michelle Linbo!

I didn't mention referees, they didn't determine the outcome of this game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 20, 2006, 07:35:52 PM
heartless- keep on saying that CSB has some mythical officiating edge.  If that helps you sleep after your girl's team loses to the Blazers, then so be it.  I have a guess about which team you cheer for, but since you're SOOO brave and can't even leave your e-mail address available to see, that's a good sign of your toughness.  I'm all about you helping call the Bethel "christians" to task, but there's a good reason current parents, players, and coaches don't post here.

M&G- On Wednesday, CSB hosts the lowest remaining seed (anybody who wins tonight except GAC is a possibility) and CC-M hosts the highest remaining seed.

My guesses for this evening:

Bethel @ GAC -- Davis re-opens the cut above Monahan's eye, and Monahan comes back to score 30.  GAC by 5

Hamline @ Carleton -- Hannah Oken Berg commits the first 5 actual fouls (according to herself and Tammy) of her collegiate career, and Ewert makes them pay.  Hamline by 2, and Tammy is sent to psych ward with uncontrollable stomping and grimacing relexes after the game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 20, 2006, 07:47:56 PM
By the way, congrats to Anna Heikenen on a well-deserved Player of the Week award!  Nothing like clinching a conference championship to get CSB their first (how's that possible for the conference champs?) player of the week honor this year.

I would think that Anna has the inside track on MVP voting.  When she's on the floor, she's been the primary, and often secondary, focus for opposing defenses, and her senior leadership has made a huge difference in the development of some of the rookies on the squad.  Being second in the conference in both scoring and offensive boards is a big measure of a player's overall impact.

Monahan is probably a close second, with Vig and Hageman behind. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 20, 2006, 11:36:17 PM
Bri for MVP! 31 points and 13 boards including 3-3 from three point range...show me the box score where Heikenen did that?!?!?! Monahan and Vadnais were again awesome, but even more unbelievable was that Ahlberg didn't score her first point until there were 27 seconds left in the game. Thielke had 1 point until she made a three with under a minute left. A total of 7 points for the top two leading scorers.

Vadnais with 8 assists and only 1 turnover and a big night for Vicky Peterson with 7 boards including several huge Offensive boards and she added a team-high 5 steals as she played big minutes with Boese in foul trouble.

Wednesday should be very interesting as both games could go either way. The Cobbers have eeked out two- 2 point wins over the Gusties this year, the Gusties just might be ready to steal one.

Bri for MVP! You can't stop her, you can only hope to contain her!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 21, 2006, 12:20:38 AM
gacbacker...
Heikenen --- 31 and 6 against Bethel in December.  35 and 12 in the very first game of this year.  She had at least two 30 pt games as a junior and at least one as a sophomore.  I'm probably missing others.  Anna has also taken 44 fewer shots this year than Monahan (granted, Heikenen has played two fewer games but she would not make up 44 in two games - especially Macalaster when she would not have played anyway).  She has scored almost 1500 points in three and a half years.  She does not always have to be the leading scorer in order for her team to win - although some try to disqualify her for MVP because her team happens to have more talent than other MIAC teams.  The fact of the matter is she has been doing it just as well, if not better, than Monahan for a longer period of time...and that certainly does not take anything away from the wonderful season Monahan has had.

Have a good trip to Moorhead and enjoy the playoff run...remember, it's not about individual stats.  It's all about winning the conference (ask the Blazers about that) and then making it to the dance.  I'm quite certain Heikenen and the Blazers would let Monahan score 27 or 31 or whatever to be outright conference champs and the #1 seed...   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 21, 2006, 12:32:20 AM
Blazerball, I said show me the boxscore where Heikenen went 3-3 from three point range.

Also I think Bri has a leg up on Heikenen for MVP...not only does she have better stats in fewer minutes per game, but add the general distaste that most coaches in the conference have for Durbin and the Blazers and I think Monahan is the favorite.

You have fun against Carleton on Wednesday...we'll be pulling for a Knight upset so that we might host the championship game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 21, 2006, 01:16:31 AM
Quote from: Hoopsheart on February 20, 2006, 05:57:09 PM
East Coast MIAC Fan,

Your response to the thuggery of the Bethal women's team does nothin' for the image of Bethal or Bethal supporters.  As for trying to make the women's game more like the men's...I've played and watched basketball for 45 years and if ANY mens team tried the same intimidation and outright cheap retaliation when they're gettin beat, they'd be run out of the gym first by thier own fans with the refs right behind 'em. 

This behavior is a coaching problem...at the very least the coach can't control his players, and at worst it's a coaching strategy.  It starts in the gym in practice and is played out on the court during games.  Don't give me that crap about makin' it as physical as the mens game...we are not talkin about good hard basketball, we're talkin about bump and run picks away from the ball, clothsline switches to the throat with elbows locked (intent to injure). and straight line elbows to the head in front of God and everyone.

As for my kid...she's one of the toughest players on her squad, she always has a bruised lip, black eye er other badge of hard play and she's one of the smallest players on the team.  You are , in my opinion, a major part of the problem  because you don't understand the game enough to recogonize or appreciate good, CLEAN, hard play from any team, yours or an oponent.  I hope the real Bethal fans can get this problem under control before you and a few out of control players smear the image of the whole school.

And if I see you in the gym after one of the games ...I'll show ya what I mean by dirty play!

KEEP THE FAITH AND STAY OUTTA MY WAY!!
I hope your kid has more class than you are showing. My guess is that she does, it amazes me how good most of the kids turn out in spite of over zealous parents! ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 21, 2006, 01:24:18 AM
bb - It doesn't disqualify her by any means. However, as I was telling a Bennie the other night - who agreed with me btw, Bri means TONS more to her team than Heikenen does to hers. Same with Hageman. There's a chance neither team makes the playoffs without either of those players, whereas the Bennies would still be a top 4 team without Anna. The MVP is obviously very subjective, so we'll see how much that point matters to the coaches around the league.

I'll be interested to hear the take of tonight's game by a BU backer, if any are out there. They were called for around 8-10 relatively benign fouls in the post - when GAC was trying to establish position or when GAC was just holding the ball with their back to the basket - because they were simply pushing with two hands in the back. Good calls all, but it has to be a coaching technique to happen that consistently with multiple offenders. That said, GAC may have been the "cheap" team on the court tonight.

In the second half of a very physical game, Vicky P threw an elbow at a Royal who was reaching in after a rebound - ala Davis - and was called for a foul. The coaches exchanged smiles about it and neither complained, which was strange. It wasn't a "guys basketball" play, no matter what east coast would have you believe. It was uncalled for, just as Boese's shoulder was after the whistle after being almost tackled by Davis with no foul called the possession before. I'm hesitant to use the term "goon" with her though. Annoying, wild and overly physical, but she didn't seem vicious...tonight anyway.

It was a physical game that I thought was fairly well officiated - mark that down, it won't be said again anytime soon - but I'm sure a Royal would disagree. Tough way to end the season for the seniors.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Hoopsheart on February 21, 2006, 08:32:47 AM
Blazerball,

I have seen the thuggery this year in two games at Bethal and away...I have seen the effects of it when playin the Blazers right after the thugs got ta Heikkenen and go ask the Gusties.  This is really disappointing to read a bunch of adult wanna-be's who get all confused when someone calls 'em out on behavior that's happenin right in front a their noses.  I don't hafta have seen 20 years of MIAC or Bethal hoops to recognize dirty play in the two games I saw THIS YEAR.  Mark my words, if something is not done, hopefully by the Bethal administration, fans and a cooperating coach, this will end up staining the MIAC, someone is gunna get seriously hurt ...you bozos who are tryin' ta psuedo-macho rationalize this stuff are not doin' yourselves or yer teams any favors.

KEEP THE FAITH AND STAY AWAY FROM THE KIDS, THEY DESERVE BETTER'N YOU ARE!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 21, 2006, 09:34:09 AM
Hoops, is an adult wanna be some one that threatens another poster if they ever see them?  That's a real adult move there.  I still think you are full of crap, and an idiot parent that has no clue.  I know the entire BU team and coaches.  They do not TEACH a team to be thugs, nor is the BU squad a bunch of thugs.  Through your rose colored glasses they may look like thugs because they hurt your precious daughter.
Yes, BU is taught to play physical, but not cheap.  The more physical teams are usually the ones that win games.  So why don't you get off the board since you have no clue what you are talking about.

The last thing is this.  If you are going to bash a school, at least spell it right.  Bethel does not have an A in it.  Moron.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 21, 2006, 09:36:18 AM
And you'd have a hard time running into me at a game since I live on the east coast.  Hence the name.  Ill keep the faith though because a true person of faith wouldn't make an empty threat to another person.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 21, 2006, 11:22:51 AM
...so a "true person of faith" is one who threatens and then follows through and actually harms somebody?  ???

No wonder Bethel has issues.

Bring on the Knights!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 21, 2006, 12:28:31 PM


It's about time this board gets going...too bad it had to wait until playoff time.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 21, 2006, 01:35:27 PM
CM, that's a dumb postulation there.  I know for a fact he wouldn't do anything to me if we ever ran into each other at a game.  Hence, the "empty threat."  I'm not talking about following through on a threat.

On a brighter note, how far will CSB make it into the NCAA tournament.  My guess is not past the second round.  I think Simpson will get their revenge on CSB this year.  This is assuming that CSB wins the tournament, since they have no other way of making the tourney.  Too many losses.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 21, 2006, 01:40:42 PM
Great game down in N'field as my Knights held off a stubborn Hamline squad 69-62.  Hannah Oken-Berg was just nails coming down the stretch with key buckets and rebounds.  The Pipers were tough from 3-point land but the Knights were able to make key plays when it counted.  Strangely enough TM-F was relatively quiet during the whole game even given the fact the officiating wasn't all that bad.

Good to see the Gusties unceremoniously dump Bethel and move on.  Monahan must have blown up last night as I see in the paper she canned 31.  I think also very encouraging that the Gusties can hang with a very physical opponent and come out on top comfortably although an occasional trip to Morton's Steak House still wouldn't hurt that team.  As for Bethel, their seemingly perpetual tailspin finally landed them in the well.  Uh oh......is that the Hawks Nest I hear warming up?  Or is it the Bruins Den?  Clap clap clap clap clap...OVERRATED...clap clap clap clap clap (repeat 5 times) ;D.

Realistically, you have to figure that the joy ride will end for both the Knights and the Gusties tomorrow night up in St. Joe and Moorhead, respectively.  However, both of these teams have stolen key road contests during the regular season (Carleton up at Concordia and GAC at CSB) so it can be done.  I just think that CSB is playing their best ball right now and GAC might be more shaky without Linbo that what I had thought they would be.  Even though I hate to admit it I think that, in the end, you'll see the red-clad Blazers cutting down the nets late Saturday afternoon :-[.
   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: viggariffic45 on February 21, 2006, 02:31:11 PM
It's so funny reading what you Blazer fans have to say.  CollegevilleMagic, I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong about what happened at West Gym last night.  Hannah Oken-Berg played amazing and my sister Megan Vig netted her 8th double-double of the season while shutting Ewert down.  I'm really looking forward to tomorrow night when I get to see the look on Mike Durbin's face when the Knights are victorious in whatever the name of your gym is.  Maybe he will avtually develop some sportsmanship and shake hands with the other team after a loss.  Oh, and it'll be funny to see if the CSB players sign autographs after a loss.

Also, you guys harp on Tammy Metcalf-Filzen for getting on the refs.  I believe if you were the parent of a Carleton player, you would feel the same way as Tammy does.  Maybe for once, you could try and take a neutral view of the refs once and realize how trully terrible they are.  I'm positive that my sister was fouled about twenty times by your hacking Blazers last game and went to the line twice. 

Too bad there aren't pictures to go with these profiles, cuz it would be nice to talk to some of you after the game tomorrow.... :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 21, 2006, 02:32:43 PM
LA, I think the Gusties have a much better chance of upsetting the Cobbers than the Knights do the Blazers....Lets consider that both Cobber wins over the Gusties were two point wins. Lets also consider that the Cobbers just lost to Augsburg two weeks ago.

I think Carleton has a shot though, because I think Vig has a big Monahan-like game left in her. Let's hope so anyways.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 21, 2006, 02:57:06 PM
LA, the Hawks Nest would never chant over-rated to the BU team.  There are Hawks fans on the BU staff, as well as myself.  I'm an alum of the U of I.  So, maybe your over-rated Bruins could chant it, since they are used to hearing it themselves.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 21, 2006, 03:24:06 PM
viggariffic45 - Cmon, we just went over this. You must start your first post with "Longtime reader, first time poster." Good to have another anti-CSB sibling on the site though :)

This board is spiraling out of control...February Madness anyone?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 21, 2006, 04:15:10 PM
Wednesday Night previews coming tomorrow.

Tammy was quiet all night long :o

Wow!!  I had also heard that she had taken a few Tech's in the preceding games as well, I wonder if that had anything to do with it.



slowly marching towards karma power.   fellow posters fear that day >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 21, 2006, 07:15:47 PM
Vig Sister,
Just so you know - the Blazers do not sign autographs after every game - they just did it that day because it was "National Girls & Women in Sports Day" and they allowed young girls into the game for free if they wore a team jersey and then they signed for the kids after the game.  Rip on that if you want but I think it is great to promote girls and women in sport and do some special things for the kids.  And yes, they were supposed to sign no matter the outcome - win or lose.  So, hate them for it if you choose - whatever.

As for the game tomorrow - it should be fun.  Vig is a great player and deserves all the accolades she has received.  She is clearly the best player on the Carleton team and has had a tremendous career.    Will she get enough help tomorrow?  Can Oken-Berg have another big game on the road? 

I will continue to say that Vig is a great player and if she leads Carleton to victory tomorrow so be it.  Naturally, if CSB somehow wins tomorrow it will be because the refs were terrible and gave CSB all the calls and CSB was a bunch of hacks and CSB caused a flat tire on the Carleton bus and then broke the heater on said bus so the Knights would all be cold before getting to the gym to play and then put vaseline on the steps going to the locker room and then tripped all the Carleton players as they came out of the locker room and pulled a Harding by hitting them each with tire irons on the knee.  That is the only way CSB could possibly win...by getting tons of help.




Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 21, 2006, 07:49:24 PM
Is it just me, or are blazerball's undies perpetually bundled? You are like Gilbert Arenas, deflecting any praise to focus solely on the negatives people throw out. Sheesh.

The only way Wonka can possibly take in the title game is if the Carlies upset the Knights and GAC upend the Cobbs Wednesday night. I could get back to Rochester in time to see the final takedown of the wrestling sections and get some quotes if it's in St. Pete. If it wasn't clear before I realized that (it was), I'm a fan of the underdogs tomorrow night. Make it happen!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 21, 2006, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: viggariffic45 on February 21, 2006, 02:31:11 PM
Also, you guys harp on Tammy Metcalf-Filzen for getting on the refs.  I believe if you were the parent of a Carleton player, you would feel the same way as Tammy does.  Maybe for once, you could try and take a neutral view of the refs once and realize how trully terrible they are.  I'm positive that my sister was fouled about twenty times by your hacking Blazers last game and went to the line twice. 
Has Carleton ever lost a game or is it ALWAYS the fault of the referee's. Ever think that maybe, maybe, they once in a while get OUTPLAYED!! Your poor sister gets hacked but no call, think that has happened to AH at all this year? Your sister is a great player, how about you being as great of a fan?? I wish you sister the best of luck in her remaining games, she has been a terrific MIAC player. Now if only you could grow up!! ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 21, 2006, 10:24:45 PM
Wonka,
The only way you can make the game is if the Carlies upset the Knights?  Now that is a game I would be interested in seeing.  I'm sure the refs would somehow find a way for both the Carlies and the Knights to lose...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 21, 2006, 10:46:48 PM
little Vig- welcome to the fray.  You and "heart" are the only family members crazy enough to read this garbage we all toss out into the open, so I hope you don't take any of it too seriously.

Fortunately, the horrible refs aren't any more or less horrible for any team.  I won't be around to see the contest tomorrow, but I think my Blazers just have too much for the Knights.

Megan has had a wonderful career, but I don't see it going past tomorrow night.

Predictions:

Gac @ Cob land -- Cobs by 1
Carls @ CSB -- Blazers by 6
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 21, 2006, 11:53:08 PM
Willy you need to get a writing gig in the cities like mine where nobody cares about wrestling.

Predictions for tomorrow:

Gusties find a way to shut down Hageman and roll behind a combined 50 points from Vadnais and Monahan.  GAC 71 Concordia 61

Noreen and Falvey go off from three point range and the Blazers move on. St. Ben's 73 Carleton 59
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 01:51:24 AM
blazerball - Is that too complicated an example for you? How about this then...I can't go. Is that comprehendable? :)

CM - Did my sister disown me? Did I miss that? :)

gacbacker - I love my job. I just hate this month, when I have to work just about every Saturday.

Anyway...about tomorrow night. For those unable to make the trip, I'd suggest videocasting the GAC/CC and listening to the CC/CSB game on the net. That's going to be my plan anyway. While I've brought it up, I'm going to throw out my post on the guys side from earlier today as well.

Rumor that won't die: Video casting - done by Hamline, Mac and some Cobbs I believe - won't be possible next year. Minnesota (U of or the state, not sure which) has extra bandwidth this year that it is allowing MIAC schools to use to broadcast games. Next year, that loop will be closed.

To buy enough bandwidth to videocast a full season will cost roughly $10,000 per school and I doubt many will find that a good investment. One option is to make people pay 5-10 bucks to watch each game next season, which won't do much to defray the costs when 5 people are watching.

Enjoy it while it lasts fellas.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 22, 2006, 10:28:22 AM
Wonka-  my statement from last night still stands.  I said that Megan's sister reads the page.  ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 10:50:57 AM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 21, 2006, 10:46:48 PM
You and "heart" are the only family members crazy enough to read this garbage we all toss out into the open, so I hope you don't take any of it too seriously.

What's that supposed to mean then?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 22, 2006, 03:41:05 PM

Not much to say, I just couldn't stand to see the MIAC thread at the bottom of the totem pole as far as latest posts.

Go Cobbs!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 05:52:14 PM
My pizza is on the way. Tonight should be fun.

I wonder if the GAC bus swung by Hamline to pick up Mandy. They could trade the ride for an in depth scouting report...if the Gusties still lost, they could make her walk home :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 22, 2006, 07:56:40 PM
I'm in Moorhead and the Gusties have been extremely loose all day, I think they are poised for a good performance tonight. Obviously the spotlight is on Monahan and Hageman, but the role players tonight will be huge. The Gusties will need either Nelson or Boese to have a good game offensively. If one scores in double figures I think it will be a W for the Gusties.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 08:30:00 PM
Memo to Cella: You have at least fan extremely unhappy with the following message.

"Note: We are currently having technical difficulties with the video and audio streams. We apologize for the inconvenience and are hopeful to have the problem solved during the semifinal game."
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 08:48:45 PM
19-11 Cobbers with 9 to play. Gusties with a terrible start, Cobbs shooting the lights out.

29-20 Bennies.

JJ sucks.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: westie on February 22, 2006, 09:46:21 PM
WW-  Do you have an updated score?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 09:51:48 PM
52-45 with 4:39 to play. It was tied at 44 and the Cobbs reeled off an 8 - 0 run.

A Vadnais 3-pointer which would have put the Gusties up 47-44 I believe was wiped out on perhaps the weakest charge call I've seen - at least via this sketchy vidcast CC has going on. No one fell ever and barely anyone moved...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 09:57:17 PM
Carlies storm back from a 10 point halftime deficit to force overtime in St. Joes, scoring with 8 seconds left. Pink-jaded details coming when the game is over I'm sure.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: westie on February 22, 2006, 10:03:28 PM
thanx for the updates
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on February 22, 2006, 10:11:53 PM
COBBER VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 10:17:18 PM
Cobbers win 63-55. The late run clinched it after GAC tied it up. I'd be interested to hear M&G's thoughts on the weak charge foul, as the Gusties seemed to go about 3 minutes without a point after that call.

Pre-box score analysis: Vadnais took over at PG for most of the second half and struggled getting an open shot. Monahan was kept under pretty tight wraps and the Cobbers shot the hck out of the ball, especially to start the game. Congrats CC and good luck with the Carlies.

Bennies go down in OT!! Korb hit a shot with 2.2 left and the Bennies didn't get a shot off after a TO. I can't wait to hear blazerball complain about how bad Heikenen was hacked on her missed shot at the end of regulation...

I'm sure Durbin will have the box score and story up by the end of next week. I can't wait to look at the stats!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 22, 2006, 10:44:01 PM
Gusties had it in their grasps and fell apart after the charge call against Monahan that Willy eluded too. Horrible Call! Horrible! The ref that called it was that old woman who has been around forever. She needs to retire that's for sure. She and her two partners also missed a clear lane violation on the Cobbers that would have kept the score at 60-55 on the front end of a one and one.

Monahan had 22, but only 2 points after being yanked after picking up her third foul on that charge.

Hageman and Ehlert played very well and made key plays when the Cobbers needed it.

Congrats to the Knights...although the Blazers still have a shot at the tournament if Concordia wins the championship I think.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on February 22, 2006, 10:55:40 PM
Wow, I have been away for a long time!! Italy is crazy right now with the Olympics and all!!
Just off the plane and all I have to say is:
Congratulations to my Cobbers, GREAT WIN! 
gacbacker - I would venture to guess the old woman and her running mates missed a few calls the other way that could have proven critical for the Cobbs.  They ALWAYS do!!
Boy am I very sorry to see the Bennies lose.
Will be a great game in Moorhead on Saturday!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 11:40:02 PM
Vadnais and Monahan combined to finished 16-34, scoring 38 of GACs 55 points. The rest of the team shot 4-19. The worry at the beginning of the season comes to fruition at the worst possible time :(

Thank the Lord the Carleton SID is on the ball. The CSB web site doesn't even have the outcome listed anywhere yet. Bennies blow a 15-point second half lead the day after SJU blows an 18-point lead. Vig leads the way with 25 and 6, but some Kunelius girl came off the bench to hit six 3's in tallying 18 and 6. Kempe and Noreen combine to go 4-28 for CSB. Yuck!

Sad week in the Cloud as the locals are outscored by 29 in the second half of crunch time games. Happy times around the rest of the state :)

I wonder if the Carlies might somehow sneak away with home court advantage for the title game. The Cobbers have high school tourneys scheduled the bulk of the day/night Saturday, creating a scheduling nightmare. Maybe they'll play in the FargoDome, as the Cobber football team had to do last year. Or, maybe, they could meet halfway in, say, St. Joes? :o

gacbacker - Eluded to? Are you sure you're a writer? :) 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 23, 2006, 12:59:19 AM
The refs suck!  Carleton is a bunch of hacks!  Heikenen got fouled at the end of the game!  Noreen got hacked all game long and no calls!  Only 11 fouls called on Carleton because Tammy intimidated the refs and they are in her back pocket - they must have some secret arrangement or must have bought them off! 

Please note that the above is said seriously --- Wonka and Vigs sister might have a stroke if they thought I was serious.  BUT I GUARANTEE THOSE FOLKS FROM NORTHFIELD OR SAINT PETER WOULD SAY SUCH THINGS AND BE SERIOUS IF THEY HAD LOST TO CSB!

No real complaints about the game other than the Blazers pretty much giving it away.  Up 15 points in the second half and they went ice cold.  Sarah Kunelius - who has 28 threes this season - hits 6 with 5 in the second half to bring them all the way back.  Vig was good but the ONLY reason Carleton was not blown out was because of big three after big three by Kunelius.  The Blazer defense kept losing her and she was dead on all night long.  Kempe had the flu and played like it only going 3-14 and Noreen was an abyssmal 1-14.  Heikenen put up 20 and 11 but Carleton took her away in OT.  Overall, it was a fun game to watch even though the Blazers really let it slip away.

The good news is that the Gusties also lost so Wonka and some of the other blowhards from GACkerland had to endure a looooooooong, sad bus/car ride back from Moorhead.  Plus, GAC is done for sure where the Blazers have a realistic shot at an at-large.  Those who doubt it can look at the region records and see that the Blazers are not in that bad a situation even with the loss...although a win tonight would have been very nice.  Region records are a HUGE factor in how the new at-large berths are selected.

Looking at the region records - the loser Saturday will definitely not get a bid.  The Blazers have a shot because they are 19-4 in the region and were the outright MIAC regular season champions.  Now, we just need to have Simpson and Pacific Luteran win their conference tournaments!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 23, 2006, 01:46:18 AM
In deference to WW (in shorthand), LTRFTP.  That said, thanks for the game update blazerball.

In looking at the stats, it's hard to imagine Carleton winning when they got pummeled 24 to 9 on the offensive glass and the Bennies hoisted 25 more shots.  Did Vig pretty much take over at the end and will the Knight to victory?

What's your prediction for Saturday?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 23, 2006, 05:11:13 AM
Willy, you tri speling corecktly aftir geting up at sevin in the morening and then rideing the buss to morehead befoar whatching a Gusty loss.    ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on February 23, 2006, 08:33:30 AM
Was able to pick up the game on line and see some on the computer in ultra-herky-jerky slo-mo of my antiquated computer. GREAT second half in what I've previously dubbed the "Carleton Classic." I think the Knights are like 12-1 in the tourney and unbeaten on the road--according to the Bennie broadcaster whom I thank for his good play-by-play---faily unbiased, too, I might add, albeit, ya gotta show some support for your pay check as he did.

In addition to the exciting game I though the interview after the game was classic Coach Mike-classy. My hats off to my far off friend even though I'm a Knight through and through. Hopefully you'll still get a bid. the more MIACers-da better.


RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 23, 2006, 11:27:45 AM
So much to say, so much to say, so much to say...where to start.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 01:51:24 AM
Anyway...about tomorrow night. For those unable to make the trip, I'd suggest videocasting the GAC/CC and listening to the CC/CSB game on the net. That's going to be my plan anyway. While I've brought it up, I'm going to throw out my post on the guys side from earlier today as well.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 05:52:14 PM
My pizza is on the way. Tonight should be fun.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 08:30:00 PM
Memo to Cella: You have at least fan extremely unhappy with the following message.

"Note: We are currently having technical difficulties with the video and audio streams. We apologize for the inconvenience and are hopeful to have the problem solved during the semifinal game."

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2006, 09:51:48 PM
52-45 with 4:39 to play. It was tied at 44 and the Cobbs reeled off an 8 - 0 run.

A Vadnais 3-pointer which would have put the Gusties up 47-44 I believe was wiped out on perhaps the weakest charge call I've seen - at least via this sketchy vidcast CC has going on. No one fell ever and barely anyone moved...

Undies in a bundle - I'm just curious, but which one of those four posts made you think I would have to endure the bus ride home? If it wasn't obvious before that your critical thinking skills were lacking, it is now.

Quote from: blazerball on February 23, 2006, 12:59:19 AM
Vig was good but the ONLY reason Carleton was not blown out was because of big three after big three by Kunelius.

Really? Heike missing 14 of 23 shots, including the game-winner, wasn't a factor? What about Noreen's 1-14 and Kempe's 3-14 performances? Maybe if your Bennies had shot better than 34%, you'd have a point. Give credit where credit is due - to the Carlies defense.

Quote from: blazerball on February 23, 2006, 12:59:19 AM
Plus, GAC is done for sure where the Blazers have a realistic shot at an at-large.  Those who doubt it can look at the region records and see that the Blazers are not in that bad a situation even with the loss...

The Gusties are done, but you seem a little too confident for being upset on your home court in the semis. Why? If 24-3 (20-2 MIAC) wasn't good enough, who's to say 21-5 (19-4) is? If you don't know, you better acts someone.

Personally, I'd be nervous, especially given the strength of the league this season as evidenced by the polls all year.

Nites - Welcome aboard and thanks. Take note of the 'Beware the Bennie posters' sign on your left  ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 23, 2006, 01:25:33 PM

WOW!!!!  WHAT an unbelievable game last night up at Claire Lynch.  Hopefully just another one in an already long line of Carleton-CSB classics.  I'm not sure but I'm guessing that Megan Vig must have ice water running through her veins with that 3-pointer and 2 FT's in the waning moments of regulation.  And FY Sarah Kunelius blazing away in the second half with a barrage of 3's.  Finally, how about that gutsy move down the lane by Andrea Korb and her jumper that clinched it for the Knights?  Just incredible when you consider that CSB was oh so close to putting a daisy on the thing when they got up by 15.  It could have all went kablooey from there.  Now it's on to Moorhead to take on the Corn.......

Blazer fans, for what it's worth, as euphoric as I was over my Knights coming out on top, I couldn't help but feel some heartache for your no. 34.  Certainly a terrific player for sure but an even better human being.  I would hope that, with a 21-5 (19-4) record and an expanded Dance that your team already has its invite in the mail.  Certainly the Blazers are deserving enough.  What the NCAA ninnies have in mind is enough to scare the living bejeebies out of me, though.

Not such a great night for the Gusties who saw their MIAC title hopes and likely an invite to the Dance go down the toilet last night (all right, how 'bout an obligatory WHOOSH! here).  The expectations weren't very high to begin with but when they suddenly made themselves a legit title contender they managed to disappoint in the end - AGAIN.  Will next year be the year for them?  Your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 23, 2006, 01:37:17 PM
The Internet had to go out at work Today of all days.....AAHHHHH!!!!

Okay, here is my perspective from courtside last night in Moorhead.  Cobbers come out smoking hot, and get themselves a nice early cushion, and go in up 9?? at the break.  Gusties take control to start the second half adn tie the game at 44. 
Now  to "the call"   Was it somewhat weak?? yes, I would not have called it, however it did come on the heels of atleast 2 borderline calls that go against the Cobbs, so I don't think it was the determining factor. The same ref (short old lady) jobbed the Cobbers in Bethel earlier this year, so I take no offense to saying that she is bad.

It was a lot of fun to see Hageman and Monohan go at it all night.  Two very skilled and athletic post players going tot-to-toe.  So what was the difference in the game? I think it was a couple things.  Concordia got some sorely needed offensive production from Elhert and Hientz at clutch times, and got absolutely shut down defense from Keeley on Vadnais.

Congrats to the Gusties on a very nice year, and they will be a scary team next year as well.  Both times watching GAC I was most impressed with their defensive pressure and quickness, it was by far the best I saw all year.

Schedule Answer:  Two of the 6 high school games have been moved from saturday to friday, so the Cobber vs Knight  MIAC Final will be saturday at 1:00 PM at Memorial Auditorium.

whew.....
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 23, 2006, 01:51:09 PM
M&G - The video feed was sketchy at best last night. It faded out on me for around 4 possessions and it came back in right when Monahan was called for the charge. Thanks for the clarification.

Ehlert had five straight after the Gusties tied it up. She was tough. Hageman had a relatively quiet 18 and 9. The Cobbers just seemed to hit shots when they needed to, whereas the Gusties didn't.

On a sidenote, if that's the quality of the video to be expected in the future, I wouldn't recommend ANY MIAC school paying 10k for it. I wouldn't have paid more than a dollar for last night's viewing and would have complained if they charged that much. Thankfully, it's free this year...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 23, 2006, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 23, 2006, 01:51:09 PM
M&G - The video feed was sketchy at best last night. It faded out on me for around 4 possessions and it came back in right when Monahan was called for the charge. Thanks for the clarification.

Ehlert had five straight after the Gusties tied it up. She was tough. Hageman had a relatively quiet 18 and 9. The Cobbers just seemed to hit shots when they needed to, whereas the Gusties didn't.

On a sidenote, if that's the quality of the video to be expected in the future, I wouldn't recommend ANY MIAC school paying 10k for it. I wouldn't have paid more than a dollar for last night's viewing and would have complained if they charged that much. Thankfully, it's free this year...


Talking to Cella last night, he told me that they were having trouble with the webcast stuff, so I don't know if that is what it will always be like or not.

Hopefully Memorial is somewhat full saturday, the students are off for spring break.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 23, 2006, 04:48:00 PM
Wonka,
I'm very happy to hear you did not have to endure the long drive home from Moorhead after the GACker loss.  As for your comments regarding the at-large bid.  Do you even follow D3 news?  You must not.  Otherwise, you would know that the tournament field has expanded to 63 and there are now 21 at-large bids instead of the 4-5 there were in previous years.  Last year, 21-5 might not have done it but this year, with 16-17 more at-large bids going out there is a much better chance if a team is 21-5 and the outright regular season conference champion.  Take a spin around the other regions and look at region records and you will see that CSB is not in really awful shape ---- a 19-4 region record should be in the top 21 after the automatic bids are done.  Do your homework, learn about the tournament, look at the regions, and then make your comments...

Also, just to clarify - Heikenen did not get a chance to take a final shot last night so she did not miss "the game-winner."  She never got her hands on the ball - Lincoln got the ball on a scramble.  I believe I mentioned Noreen and Kempe's performances.  Learn to read.  Carleton played good defense in the second half but the Blazers missed plenty of wide open shots that were not due to Carleton defense.

Renaissance Coach - glad to have you back on the board!  Long time, no post!  Glad you could catch some of the game on the web - I also thought Durbin did a nice job in the post-game interview after a tough loss that slipped away from his squad.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 23, 2006, 05:20:55 PM
Painful loss last night for the Blazers. Not alot to add to what was already posted except I agree that #50 was in a zone last night. What a performance. She not only hit the long threes but forced the Blazers to spred out our defense and cover her all over the court, which of course opened it up underneath. It was disappointing to see the officials put away the whistles the last few minutes and in overtime, as there were numerous obvious calls let go. The worse being the in-bounds pass with 2.2 seconds left when Anna was held back from getting the pass, allowing the steal. BUT, listen up Willy, the officials did NOT, I repeat NOT, decide the outcome, Carlton won the game and deserved to, the Blazers had their chances and missed them, congratulations!! :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 23, 2006, 05:31:23 PM

Will Wonka: you sure seem to agitate a lot of Blazer fans. I can't imagine why that would be though  ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on February 23, 2006, 06:05:58 PM
M&G - I believe WW addressed the agitation with the Bennies fans, it was "undies in a bundle".
I always get agitated with that.
Lets hope Mel can have another quiet night/afternoon on Saturday, and the Cobbers can solve Carleton's match-up zone!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 23, 2006, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: peachbasket on February 23, 2006, 06:05:58 PM

Lets hope Mel can have another quiet night/afternoon on Saturday, and the Cobbers can solve Carleton's match-up zone!!

I hear that. Last time they ran quite a bit of a box and one with Christianson hounding Keeley, and that gave the Cobbs some trouble, but I know that the coaching staff has been putting some new wrinkles in the offense should that situation occur again.  Saturday is going to be a dogfight, but I think that the Cobbers will be ready to come out and play.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 24, 2006, 01:41:54 AM
I know the changes as well as you do. I was simply pointing out nothing is assured — except the AQ, which the Bennies obviously will not get. They couldn't TCB and are now at the mercy of the notoriously fickle selection committee. They wait "on the bubble," as the front page story said — unless you wish to dispute the phrasing of that point as well. ::)

March, or Feb. as the case may be, is crazy. Perhaps crazy enough to keep the Bennies at home. Seems simple enough to understand when I type it...

Quote from: blazerball on February 23, 2006, 04:48:00 PM
Also, just to clarify - Heikenen did not get a chance to take a final shot last night so she did not miss "the game-winner."  She never got her hands on the ball - Lincoln got the ball on a scramble.  I believe I mentioned Noreen and Kempe's performances.  Learn to read.  Carleton played good defense in the second half but the Blazers missed plenty of wide open shots that were not due to Carleton defense.

Heike didn't get a shot to end regulation? I was told she missed that gamewinner.

As for my learning to read...you said "only" in all caps. Last time I checked, that means one, with your added emphasis. Did you contradict yourself before, or are you now?

If Carleton didn't play good defense to account for the horrid shooting, are you saying the Bennies just choked ala Darius Washington Jr. against Louisville? I hope Durbin made them walk the streets of St. Joes later that night as DDubbs father did after his cocky attitude crashed and burned.

peach - Consider blazerball wedgied! :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 24, 2006, 11:17:30 AM
In one of the worst turns of events ever, I am now unable to attend the MIAC championship game tomorrow in Moorhead.  With the snow today school has been cancelled, which the Varsity GBB game is cancelled, and so is my JV girls game.   

Obviously the only time to reschedule this late in the season is tomorrow with the JV at 1:00.  So instead of wathcing Cobbs play for a spot in the national tournament, I will be pulling my hair out coaching 8th, 9th and 10th grade girls..... you've got to be f#@*$ng kidding me >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on February 24, 2006, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on February 24, 2006, 11:17:30 AM
In one of the worst turns of events ever, I am now unable to attend the MIAC championship game tomorrow in Moorhead.  With the snow today school has been cancelled, which the Varsity GBB game is cancelled, and so is my JV girls game.   

Obviously the only time to reschedule this late in the season is tomorrow with the JV at 1:00.  So instead of wathcing Cobbs play for a spot in the national tournament, I will be pulling my hair out coaching 8th, 9th and 10th grade girls..... you've got to be f#@*$ng kidding me >:(


Hey don't forget that you also get to show off you well rounded talents by also keeping stats, providing athletic training and Psychological counseling to both hs girls and coaches alike. ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 24, 2006, 01:46:03 PM

What snowstorm?? :o  Hopefully this won't affect tomorrow's MIAC Chamipionship game.

Congrats to Megan Vig on being named a finalist for the Jostens Award.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on February 24, 2006, 04:51:07 PM
Kinda been slack in the posting dept. here. Too busy in my old age!!! We were in Mass. last weekend to take in my daughter's final regular season game in the NEWMAC conference. Her team, she's actually the asst., is in the semi's in Springfield this weekend. That's where the D3 finals are held. A decided advantage should the top seed, Springfield, hang on that long.

Anyway-seems that Tammy's mixture of young and old are blending as the season draws down. Hope they can capture one more "W" and secure a spot in the NCAA's.

My thinking is the Bennies are in. With the expanded tourney, I truly believe it's a given. I hope so;the more MIAC teams, the better.

A good weekend to all and "Springs a comin!!!"

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 24, 2006, 05:13:27 PM
M&G - That's weak sauce! Almost as weak as my having to go to cover section wrassling from 10am-9pm. Ugh!

Does Vig being named a finalist for Jostens make her the front-runner for the MVP now, no matter what our inane ramblings might say?

Viggeriffic - What's up with your sister's elbow pad dealie? Is that because of an injury, or is it an AI-type fashion statement? :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gunk on February 25, 2006, 03:50:34 PM
 :)Congratulations to the Cobbers!!!  A great season with a strong finish.
Now if the Bennies can get the get the call to the Nationals, MIAC will be well represented. I will be very disappointed if Ben's doesn't go.

The Nationals - GO MIAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2006, 03:55:37 PM
After being down by 11pts at halftime, Concordia comes back outscoring Carleton by 20 in the 2nd half for a nine point victory.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: peachbasket on February 25, 2006, 04:26:11 PM
WAY TO GO COBBERS!  YOU WILL DO THE CONFERENCE PROUD, I KNOW IT!
I would once again like to add:  MEL FOR MVP!!!!!!
WW - Would it be a huge wedgie if the bennies don't get in?
Pairings are announce tomorrow, this should be fun!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on February 25, 2006, 05:01:17 PM
WAY TO GO COBBS!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 25, 2006, 07:22:29 PM
Congrats to the Cobbers!  It had to end sometime for the Knights - congrats to Megan Vig on a great career.  Now on to the tourney talk...

Much to Wonka's dismay, it would appear that the Blazers will be getting an at-large berth.  There have not been enough upsets in others regions and other conferences to keep CSB out.  GAC and Carleton are both done since CSB's region record and Quality of Win Index will be higher than them both and enough to give them a berth.  We will know who gets in tomorrow night but the pairings will not be announced until Monday.

There will be eight teams from the west and here are my picks --- in no particular order --- CSB, Concordia, Simpson, Luther, Pacific Lutheran, Puget Sound, Chapman, and Cal Luther.  I predict the first round sites next Friday will be at Pacific Lutheran and probably Simpson depending on what happens in the IIAC title game tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 25, 2006, 09:03:08 PM
What a disappointing end to a roller coaster season for my Knights.  Hard to believe they could manage to piss away an 11-point halftime advantage and an even bigger advantage on the boards.  Give credit to Concordia, though, as they've stepped up as a team when they've had to all season long.  It does seem a bit odd that they would win it this year without Mandy when you would have figured that last year was their year to do it. 

With today's loss, I would more or less have to concede that the Knights' season is pretty much over.  There is an outside shot but I'm not holding my breath.  I would imagine that CSB is also safely in.  I hope the Cobbers and Blazers represent the MIAC well and I have no doubt they will........

I would just like to add that a wonderful 4-year career has likely come to an end for one of the best players ever to don a Carleton uniform.  It seems like it was just yesterday that Megan Vig was the new kid on the block surrounded by a bevy of experience.  This year, she took a bunch of newcomers under her wing and, in her typical unselfish way, led them from the brink of disaster all the way to the MIAC Championship game.  Megan, thanks for the ride.  It was fun.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 25, 2006, 09:50:49 PM
Great win by the Cobbs today, I am glad that they bailed me out and gave me a chance to hopefully take in another game this year.   Sounds like an interesting first half at Memorial, was anyone there?? What exactly was the switch from the first half to the second half??  Anyway great game, I think LA Rams summed it up, this is a TEAM in the greatest sense of the word. They have played as a team all year long and it sounds like they did it again today.

Great win Cobbers and best of luck in the Tourney.

Enjoy this experience, it is special and it doesn't happen every year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 26, 2006, 04:30:15 AM
Congrats to the Cobbs, who would have thought they would do this after losing Pearson.

On another note, if Chapman gets in as Blazerball predicted with an 18-8 record over the Gusties at 19-7 that would suck.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 26, 2006, 12:34:00 PM
gacbacker,
Chapman is a Pool B team whereas CSB and GAC are Pool C teams.  There are different criteria used to decide Pool B and Pool C teams.  I agree it would not really be fair but that is what the committee has done by spearating those teams/conferences with automatic bids and those independant team/conferences that do not have automatic bids. 

That said, even if they were in the same pool, GAC would have a lower QOWI than Chapman ---- #77 for Chapman instead of #79 for GAC.  So GAC having one more win and one less loss would be offset by the QOWI so it would be pretty much a toss-up for the selection committee.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: chapdog on February 26, 2006, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: blazerball on February 26, 2006, 12:34:00 PM
gacbacker,
Chapman is a Pool B team whereas CSB and GAC are Pool C teams. There are different criteria used to decide Pool B and Pool C teams.

Not different criteria, just different teams eligible in each Pool.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 26, 2006, 03:12:27 PM

So does anyone know the scoop about when conference awards are voted on and released??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 26, 2006, 05:16:25 PM
Wow, a person takes off for San Fran for a few days, and the "wild west" days of the MIAC return.   :o  Note to self, always look ahead on the calendar when planning short vacations...

Sounds like I missed great games this week.  Gotta give credit to the Knights for another gutsy tournament performance.  I was bumming when I saw my Blazers' shooting percentage, knowing that Carleton must have played pretty impressive defense.  Of course, there aren't many teams who would survive a conference playoff game with their 2nd and 3rd scoring options held to basically nothing.

Congrats to the Cobs on their big win yesterday, I certainly hope that both sets of fans (hoping for a Blazer bid here, obviously) get to cheer on squads to MIAC first-round victories.

Of course, that would mean an NCAA selection committee that wouldn't pair up conference foes in the first round, but that's assuming WAY too much for the Nincumpoops, Chimpanzees, And Apes.   

Go MIAC!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 26, 2006, 05:50:13 PM
D3Hoops predicts St. Ben's is in the tourney.  I hope they are correct.  Based on Quality Wins Index and Region Win Percentage CSB is in the top 15 of Pool C candidates.  All of the teams CSB needed to win this weekend got it done.  Now we just wait to see the official selection and then find out where the Blazers will play.  My prediction is that the west is the lone region with 7 teams.  That means PLU gets a bye, the two California teams play each other for the right to go to PLU and Concorida, CSB and Puget Sound head to Simpson next weekend. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 26, 2006, 11:40:06 PM
Congrats to the Cobbs and the Bennies on getting in. Make the MIAC proud.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 27, 2006, 12:42:11 AM
LET'S DANCE!

And the beat goes on for CSB!
Heikenen and crew get another chance at a Sweet Sixteen run...
I don't care when, where, or who we play ---- this should be FUN!

Looks like the west is a seven team region so it appears PLU might get the bye unless they ship someone into the west region...we'll find out tomorrow morning!

Congrats to Concordia and Jess Rahman --- I hope the Cobbs and Blazers don't meet soon in the tourney so we both get a chance to do some damage!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Johnnie Red on February 27, 2006, 07:51:22 AM
Congrats to the Blazers and the Cobbers for making it to the tourney. Good luck to both.

I don't know if this has been mentioned on the board already, but thought I would pass along a great book for all you women basketball fans. The title is Daughters of the Game, the First Era of Minnesota Girls High School Basketball 1891-1942. It is by Marian Bemis Johnson and Dorothy E. McIntyre. For order forms and information go to www.daughtersofthegame.com.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 27, 2006, 11:47:50 AM
So the Cobbers and Bennies play Friday night at Simpson and -- if they win -- will face each other for the fourth time this season. I hate when the NCAA does that...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 27, 2006, 11:47:50 AM
So the Cobbers and Bennies play Friday night at Simpson and -- if they win -- will face each other for the fourth time this season. I hate when the NCAA does that...

I agree with the hatred and disgust for most things the NCAA does, but it will only be the 3rd meeting of the year if that game should happen.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2006, 01:39:03 PM

I saw the pairings, too, and was surprised that both could possibly meet in the 2nd round although CSB had better worry about beating Simpson in it's own crib.  Still, you'd swear that the NCAA has it in for the MIAC........ ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 27, 2006, 02:51:17 PM
M&G - C'mon! I threw that one up off the glass for you and you just laid it in. That was a perfect time to throw out the fact that the Bennies choked, preventing the missing matchup!

Don't fake the funk on the nasty dunk :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 27, 2006, 03:00:50 PM
Yep - the Blazers "choked" all the way into the dance. Say what you will...


Wonka -- help me out with something --- I think I missed it.  Who does GAC play in the NCAA tournament this weekend?  I sure hope they represent the MIAC well...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 03:16:36 PM


WW-  wow, I feel ashamed. I went Terrell Brandon on that when I should have gone Darryl Dawkins.   Believe me it won't happen again. :-[

Here's a question, after the Cobbers and Blazers sispose of Iowa and Wisconsin's best, is there any way to have the game moved back in state?  And another thing with two Minnesota teams in the 4 team sub-bracket I thing it would have made more sense to have the games in Moorhead, but that's just my opinion. ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 27, 2006, 04:02:41 PM
*long posting warning*

I'd say the Simpsons have no chance against the MIAC this weekend.  After all, how could a team from Springfield hope to match up with the firepower of the Blazers? 

Homer is sloppy with the ball on the perimeter,
Marge's hair is the only concern for opponents in the post,
Bart is deceptively quick but undisciplined,
Lisa doesn't even like sports, and
Maggie's best dribbling happens with her pacifier.

I would say the team's greatest strength is their coach, Montgomery Burns.  His old-school methods of discipline, and his disregard for officials make him the kind of coach you fear enough to never want to let him down.

Back to reality, the big difference I see is that Simpson now has a shot-blocking Katch on the roster, one who played only volleyball last year for the school.  CSB's balance on offense and ability to handle full court pressure means that we won't be held down as easily as most of the IIAC schools Simpson played this year.

The NCAA cares only for the almighty dollar, so I expected that both CSB and CCM would be in the same grouping of four.  They're more careful to avoid repeat matchups in football, but other sports seem grouped mainly by geography.

I would agree that a Minnesota site would have been greatly preferred for the weekend and seems to be cheaper than making three other teams travel that far, but then it's a fight over who "deserves" to host more, CSB or CCM.

Here's hoping that the Blazers and the Cobs meet on Saturday evening, and that the winner of that contest moves on to beat down people deep into the tourney!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 27, 2006, 04:02:41 PM
*long posting warning*




I would agree that a Minnesota site would have been greatly preferred for the weekend and seems to be cheaper than making three other teams travel that far, but then it's a fight over who "deserves" to host more, CSB or CCM.

Here's hoping that the Blazers and the Cobs meet on Saturday evening, and that the winner of that contest moves on to beat down people deep into the tourney!

"Fight" ??? What's the fight about? Obviously the Cobbers deserve to host, the Blazers blew that against Tammy and the Knights :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 27, 2006, 04:33:42 PM
CM - Can you check bb for skid marks? His undies seem especially tight today...

Good form, M&G. Losing at home in the conference semis is no way to make an argument for hosting a playoff game. And don't worry about the pansy layup...I'll give you another one shortly and you can go Iceman on me, hopefully coming up with a suitably crazy name for it as Gervin used to do :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 27, 2006, 04:54:02 PM
Wonka - I'm still trying to figure out where GAC is on the NCAA tournament bracket!  I must be overlooking something...wait a minute...are they sitting at home???? :'(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 27, 2006, 04:56:43 PM
All this talk about the two Minnesota teams playing eachother...In order for the CSB-CON rematch, Concordia is gonna have to get past Stout. Thats going to be tough!! Remember, Stout made it to the Sweet 16 last year also.

And to be quite honest, sorry Cobber fans, I'm pulling for Stout.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 05:13:20 PM

Stay cool 51


I realize that both the Blazers and Cobbers have tough draws in the first round.  However, I believe that they both can get Ws, now am I biased?? Probably, but I don't care, this time of year fans are supposed to be biased, that's what makes it more exciting.


BTW, has anyone seen the Arby's commercial with "Hulk Hogan"??....classic ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 05:14:05 PM
As someone who used to live in Moorhead and St. Cloud and now resides in Menomonie, it was interesting to see the teams set for Indianola.

Five years ago, the BlueDevils went up to St. Joseph with a very good team and got beat soundly by the Blazers. That will be on alot of minds if they meet in round 2.

Since the Cobber bus will be going right by St. Ben's, maybe they should pull over and make room for the Blazers to jump on.  ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 05:16:32 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on February 27, 2006, 05:14:05 PM
As someone who used to live in Moorhead and St. Cloud and now resides in Menomonie, it was interesting to see the teams set for Indianola.

Five years ago, the BlueDevils went up to St. Joseph with a very good team and got beat soundly by the Blazers. That will be on alot of minds if they meet in round 2.

Since the Cobber bus will be going right by St. Ben's, maybe they should pull over and make room for the Blazers to jump on.  ;)


There's a lot of conference comradery BDB, but I think that might be where the line is drawn.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 05:41:07 PM
I hear you, M & G.

Especially if they end up playing each other down in Iowa, the trip home would be interesting.  ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 27, 2006, 05:53:19 PM
I would say, that in the hypothetical world where a Minnesota team would have hosted the bracket, that CSB is more centrally located and won the conference championship in the regular season.

Now, the second part of my argument would have meant that we would have traveled south for Simpson last year since the Blazers "only" won the conference tourney.  In this case, it's more about geography, and three teams driving a LOT less combined mileage to all get to St. Joseph than three teams driving to Iowa, especially when Simpson's overall record is helped by an unarguably weaker conference than the MIAC.

Willy- I think you know better than to ask me to examine anybody's undies but my fiance's.   I've got BB's back on the board, but I definitely don't have his butt covered.  :D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 27, 2006, 08:23:00 PM
Someone seems a little ornery...a case of the Monday's, blazerball?  :-*

The Gusties might be sitting at home right now, but I think there is a good chance they aren't. Some are likely at the library and others may be down at Bowlaro Lanes taking advantage of dollar taps by this time. Oh, wait. Was that a rhetorical question meant to be a prick?

CM - I'm not gonna touch your fiance's undies  :P
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 27, 2006, 10:30:38 PM
Calling me a "prick" --- hmmm, that's painful and terribly creative on your part.  If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.  You are the one who has spewed nothing but hatred for Durbin and the Blazers on here regularly...

If you combined all of the pro-CSB posters on here and counted how many times they bashed GAC hoops or Mickey Haller it would not even come close to what you, individually, do to CSB hoops and Durbin on a regular basis...so think about the "prick" comment and go over to the library or bowling alley with the team and congratulate them on a fine season. 

I have a lot of respect for Mickey Haller and the job she has done down in St. Peter.  GAC has improved tremendously in her time there compared to where they were in 2000 when she took over.  GAC also has some very nice players who play hard - especially on the defensive end.  Where I have a problem is with some of their overzealous fans...         
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 27, 2006, 11:46:45 PM
Well --- enough talk about non-tourney teams and those other isses --- let's talk CSB-Simpson and Concordia-Stout.  Don't know much about Stout so I will need to do some homework.  I remember when they came to CSB a few years back and they had a very good team --- I was happy to play them at home and I remember that it was a track meet. 

I remember Simpson from last year and they have some of the same players - but a year older.  Whiton, Kay, and Beals all played last year.  CSB won by 17 but I remember thinking that Simpson was young and could be back this year.  Here they are...

I think the shot-blocking of Katch is an added bonus that was missing last season for the Storm.  In the game last year, Richels hit 4 triples for CSB and KJ had 6 blocks.  But, the key - from what I remember - was handling the Simpson press.  It appears they get a lot of points off turnovers and transition.  Kempe, Noreen, and Dalhed will need to be poised and in control Friday night.  I also think CSB will benefit from having Nikki Carter at the controls for parts of the game ---- I would not be surprised if she sees a bunch of minutes...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 28, 2006, 12:20:52 AM
Wait, a Johnnie/Bennie doesn't like me? Whatever will I do! Where's the nearest cliff I can jump off?? Get in line buddy. I've gotta pound TDT - who called me 2 minutes after your post hit the net, for reasons unknown - this fall before you get your chance ::)

As for Durbin...I bet you are on the Dookie bandwagon and think Coach K is above reproach too. ::) I'll question any coach I feel deserves it, including the all-time winningest coach in college football history. If you'd look beyond the women's game, you'd know I wasn't playing favorites with your boy.

You and your holier-than-thou approach to things are simply easy to rile up. Step back, take a deep breath and realize that these are silly boards meant for entertainment. Sometimes there is even a kernel of truth to whatever any of us are spewing that particular day.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 28, 2006, 12:45:51 AM
CM - By the same token, might SJU (and CSB?) being on spring break this week also play into a reason for not having the Bennies host this weekend?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 28, 2006, 11:18:06 AM
WW- If you think the NCAA had any clue that CSB/SJU was on spring break this week you are giving them way too much credit.  Somehow CSB ended up hosting Simpson last year when many people argued Simpson should have hosted.  Maybe this will even things up for them.  In last year's game, I remember Kim Johnson being a big factor (literally).  She had 12 rebounds and 6 blocks along with 5 assists.  The focus on her helped Heikenen score 25 on Simpson.  CSB also went 10-20 from behind the 3 point line.  I doubt that will happen again in Indianola.   Simpson had two seniors starting on last year's team so they will also have a little different look.  I am guessing that if the CSB backcourt can play under control, make good decisions and get by the Simpson press, it should be a very good ball game. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 28, 2006, 11:45:19 AM
As the season dwindles down, any final thoughts on MVP?  Mine - based purely on box scores and stats since I haven't seen any games - are that there are 6 candidates who had MVP type years: Heikenen, Vig, Hageman, Monahan, Opdahl and Vadnais (yes, Vadnais).

I think Opdahl gets dropped because of team performance.  Vadnais gets excluded because her teammate had a better year.  Vig gets eliminated because she and her team did not perform as well as last year.  That leaves Heikenen, Hageman and Monahan, each very deserving of the award.

Of the three remaining, I think that Monahan had the better stats.  I also think that she was more critical to the success of her team.  It seemed that if she wasn't cooking on all cylinders, the Gusties had little chance of winning.  Thus, I think she should be this year's MVP, although if I had to put money on it, I would bet that Heikenen wins because she had a great year, she's a senior and her team made it to the dance. 

My MVP rankings, in order, are:

(1)  Monahan;
(2)  Heikenen;
(3)  Hageman;
(4)  Vig;
(5)  Vadnais; and
(6)  Opdahl.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 28, 2006, 01:50:35 PM
Definitely a couple of interesting matchups down in my home state at Indianola.  I give a slight edge to Simpson only because it's their home floor.  Can CSB overcome that?  The Concordia - Stout matchup is intriguing as well as this is the kind of matchup you would like to see in a MIAC - WIAC and/or IIAC Challenge.  That would really be cool if the powers that be could ever get something like that set up.

Nites, I more or less agree with your synopsis of the MVP race regardless of whether it's Vig, Heikenen, or Monahan who wins it.  However, one name that should be on there that isn't on there IMHO is Jenna Martin of St. Kates.  Without her the Kitties would have floundered but with her they were a legit MIAC playoff contender.  I also think that her doing what she did coming off of  knee surgery no less is pretty impressive.

Willy, good to know that the Gusties have got over their gut-wrenching loss to Concordia already.  I mean, what  better way to avenge a tough defeat than by going down to the local bowling alley to hone their bowling skills and tip back a few pints in the process?  If this doesn't make them going-away favorites to win the conference next year I don't know what does.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 28, 2006, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 28, 2006, 01:50:35 PM
However, one name that should be on there that isn't on there IMHO is Jenna Martin of St. Kates.  Without her the Kitties would have floundered but with her they were a legit MIAC playoff contender.  I also think that her doing what she did coming off of  knee surgery no less is pretty impressive.

Rams, it certainly looks like Jenna was one of those that did all of the little things (e.g., rebounding and defense) that make the difference between winning and losing.

I think perhaps the Bennies may surprise a few folks in the tournament since they now have a second lease on life.  Since 4 of their 5 losses were by 1 point (the other was a 9 point loss to the Cobbers), they could very easily be sitting at 25-1 and ranked in the top 5 in the country.  The Bennies have a lot of talent; let's see if they can get the ball to bounce their way for a few games.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 28, 2006, 03:58:57 PM
I would hope the conference doesn't take too much time getting the post-season awards out.  If I remember correctly from past years, it was probably a week or two after the conference tourney wraps up...

I'd love to see Anna Heikenen get the MVP nod.  (big surprise there, considering the fact that I wear red-tinted glasses most of the time)  I think the voters (whoever they are) will reward her for senior leadership on the regular season conference champs, as well as contributing big time in a number of statistical categories.  She has played 3 and a half years of fantastic basketball for CSB, and the cumulative effect of her career so far can't hurt either. 

Monahan and Hageman also obviously had great seasons, but being less than seniors probably hurts their chances a little bit.  Vig played well, but didn't do enough for her team other than the tournament upset over my Blazers.

I don't know who this "Nites" person is, but I think I could get along with him/her...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 28, 2006, 04:42:59 PM
CM, I suspect that Anna will be named MVP for just the reasons you articulated.  In any event, the winner will likely be deserving.

Now put away those red-tinted glasses for just a second and answer this question:  If you were starting a new team in the MIAC and could pick one current MIAC player to play 4 years for you, who would that be and why?  Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think this a slightly different question than the one about current MVP.  I can't answer it because I think you have to actually watch the person play so you can truly evaluate desire and skills.

Anyone else care to weigh in on who your MIAC franchise player would be and why?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 28, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
Nites,
I like you already...good comments and discussion.  It would be fun to see CSB 25-1 and they could have been 26-0 because they were up by one at Concordia in the final three minutes and went bone dry and the Cobs went on a 10-0 run to end and the Blazers losing by nine.  But, that's why they play the games to the end and here we are at 21-5 traveling to Simpson on Friday.  And, that is probably how it should be since Simpson is deserving of the host.

As for the MVP race --- I tend to think it will be Heikenen but both Monahan and Hageman are worthy.  The MIAC usually - if the past is any guide - gives it to the best player on the regular season conference champs.  And, Heikenen is an absolutely fantastic candidate and would be quite deserving of it.

As for coach of the year - I would go with Rahman or Haller.  I tend to think Rahman did the best job after losing Pearson - most thought they would not be where they are.  But, Rahman won it last year so it will probably go to Haller since she did a lot with less than others.  Monahan and Vadnais are tremendous but there was not much help from others for the Gusties.  So, I will say it's Haller getting the nod but my vote would be for Rahman.

The "franchise" discussion is fun --- do you mean current or past MIAC players?  Past players would probably be Laurie Trow from UST or Jessica Beachy (Rahman) from Concordia.  If we are talking current athletes, I would say almost any of the MVP candidates would be a nice start but, of course, I would love to have Heikenen because I have seen her for four year - seen her leadership and personality - watched her score over 1500 points and lead her team to conference titles and tourney bids.  But, I can see where others might choose Vig, Hageman, Monahan, or Opdahl. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 28, 2006, 06:59:41 PM
Nites,
Sorry...I see where you said "current MIAC player" in your "franchise" discussion.  So, please disregard the Trow and Beachy comments - but they would have been great franchise players!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 28, 2006, 07:30:33 PM
Blazer,

Do you choose Sam Bowie as the number 1 pick or that Jordan guy? 

What strengths as a player does Heikenen have that elevate her game?  From some of the things I've read, it sounds like Vig may be the most versatile.  What are her strengths versus the other possible candidates?

Good thoughts on Coach of the Year.  I think I'd go with Rahman.  After all, she lost "All Everything" Mandy who ran the show for 4 years and the team never missed a beat.  I am not sure many picked the Cobbers to do as well as they did.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 28, 2006, 09:23:45 PM
My unbiased opinion ;D would give coach of the year to Durbin, lost two key players from last yr, still managed to win the MIAC championship. Who would I pick to start a team, surprise pick is Ariel Tauer, I think by the end of her career she will be an all american and one of the top players to ever play at CSB. Yes even better than AH, Vig, etc..etc..
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 28, 2006, 11:33:12 PM
Nites,
Who is this Jordan person you are referring to?  I'm not familiar with that name.  Bowie - now that was a ball player!

As for Heikenen, she is tremendously creative around the basket and elevates quicker than any player I've seen.  She leads the conference in offensive rebounds and gets to the free throw line a ton.  She is certainly capable of hitting the outside shot but has not been asked to do that at CSB - they have not had a huge need for her to step out and hit the threes.  She draws defenses to her and that opens up other players for shots.  I think she has loads of other personal and leadership attributes to lead a team but I'm sure some of the other players that people choose might be similar in that department but I can only say that about Heikenen since I have more closely observed her than other candidates in the last three and a half years.

Blazerguy - I like the creativity of your pick with Tauer.  She is loads of fun to watch and has improved tremendously over the course of the year.  She might already be one of the best athletes in the conference.  She will be very fun to watch the next three years - and this weekend in Iowa!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 01, 2006, 08:50:42 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 28, 2006, 09:23:45 PM
Who would I pick to start a team, surprise pick is Ariel Tauer, I think by the end of her career she will be an all american and one of the top players to ever play at CSB. Yes even better than AH, Vig, etc..etc..

That is a surprise, although I've seen her name mentioned a few times on this board as someone who grabs your attention with her athletic skills.  We'll see how her career pans out and you can say that you said it first!   :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 01, 2006, 12:09:49 PM
All-Conference Team

Name               School         Year  Pos.     Hometown

Jen Ahlberg        Bethel         Sr.   Guard    Milaca, Minn.
Laurisa Ewert      Hamline        Sr.   Forward  Andover, Minn.
Melanie Hageman    Concordia      So.   Post     Fargo, N.D.
Anna Heikenen      St. Benedict   Sr.   Forward  Edina, Minn.
Anne Keeley        Concordia      Jr.   Guard    Grafton, N.D.
Katie Kempe        St. Benedict   Jr.   Guard    St. Paul     
Ashley Luehmann    St. Mary's     Sr.   Guard    Lewiston, Minn.
Jenna Martin       St. Catherine  Sr.   Forward  Grove City, Minn.
Bri Monahan        Gustavus       Jr.   Post     Hutchinson, Minn.
Darby Noreen       St. Benedict   Jr.   Wing     Avon, Minn.
Hannah Oken-Berg   Carleton       Fy.   Post     Portland, Ore.
Erica Opdahl       St. Thomas     Sr.   Center   Mound, Minn.
Rosinta Stromquist Augsburg       Sr.   Guard    Brooklyn Park, Minn.     
Jess Vadnais       Gustavus       So.   Guard    Hudson, Wis.
Megan Vig          Carleton       Sr.   Forward  Northfield, Minn.

Player of the Year
Anna Heikenen      St. Benedict   Sr.   Forward  Edina, Minn.

Sixth Player of the Year
Annegret Nautsch   Bethel         Fy.   Center   Sioux Falls, S.D.

Coach of the Year
Mickey Haller      Gustavus

All-Defensive Team
Erin Boese         Gustavus       Jr.   Post     Rochester, Minn.
Jen Dalhed         St. Benedict   Jr.   Wing     Apple Valley, Minn.
Anne Keeley        Concordia      Jr.   Guard    Grafton, N.D.
C. Schwichtenberg  St. Olaf       Sr.   Guard    Hopkins, Minn.
Megan Vig          Carleton       Sr.   Forward  Northfield, Minn.

All-First Year Team
Jessica Katch      St. Thomas     Fy.   Guard    Urbandale, Iowa
Sarah Lincoln      Carleton       Fy.   Forward  Rockford, Minn.
Annegret Nautsch   Bethel         Fy.   Center   Sioux Falls, S.D.
Hannah Oken-Berg   Carleton       Fy.   Post     Portland, Ore.
Ariel Tauer        St. Benedict   Fy.   Wing     Edina, Minn.
Chelsea Wirtz      St. Thomas     Fy.   Guard    Waukee, Iowa

Honorable Mention
Tori Ehlert        Concordia      Sr.   Post     Battle Lake, Minn.
Carolyn Korchik    Hamline        Sr.   Guard    Bloomington, Minn.
Katie LaGrave      Augsburg       So.   Guard    Okinawa, Japan
Kelly Lines        Hamline        Jr.   Guard    North Branch, Minn.
Erin Petrich       St. Catherine  Jr.   Guard    White Bear Lake, Minn.
Christina Sampson  St. Olaf       Jr.   Wing     North Branch, Minn.
Sarah Schneider    St. Catherine  Jr.   Forward  Shakopee, Minn.
C. Schwitchtenberg St. Olaf       Sr.   Guard    Hopkins, Minn.
JoLynn Thielke     Bethel         Jr.   Guard    Holoway, Minn.


Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 01, 2006, 12:17:03 PM


I can't say that I have much problem with the All-Conference team.  Anna H. deserves the MVP award.  The only thing that bothers me (there has to be something right)  is how can Rahman not be Coach of the Year?

2 time MIAC MVP graduates, she has 1 senior, and what happens?? Cobbers win MIAC tourney and go to the NCAAs for the first time in 10 years.  This is not to discount what GAC has done this year, but the choice seems pretty evident to me.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on March 01, 2006, 12:25:24 PM
Congrats to all the winners! Although biases based upon school loyalties, choices appear to be legit.

Blazerguy; Durbin for coach of the year? I think not! His success is his downfall. He has a perpetual contender and doesn't miss a beat from year-to-year. Also, having Anna back made CSB a shoo-in for the conference and a team-to-watch in the tourney. Deserves credit for sure, but not worthy of Coach of the Year.

Congrats to Mickey but Rahman's losing Pearson and the 3-point sniper (Visness) and putting together the year the Cobbers had is more impressive. Tough choice for the committee.

2006-2007 should be quite a year!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 01, 2006, 12:42:02 PM
I agree with M&G. I'd have voted Rahman for COY. The Gusties lost two solid, unspectacular players while the Cobbers lost their heart and soul. To do what they did - including finishing ahead of the Gusties - would have earned my vote.

As for Heike for POY...I just wish they'd release the votes to the public. She's obviously a great candidate, but I'd be curious to see if any voters dropped Monahan and Hageman on the ballots due to their being underclassmen ala Adrian Peterson his freshman year.

With Vig making All Defensive Team - and the Bennies having a very real chance to be better next year without Heike - I might have picked a different senior for the award. Yes, that means I was suitably impressed by Tauer as well. Had voting taken place after the MIAC tourney, things might have been different.

Anyway, congrats to the winners.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on March 01, 2006, 01:23:56 PM
The MIAC coaches are the sole voters for post-season awards, and they were not necessarily due before the start of the post-season.  So, majority picked Heikenen, but I'm sure she's not the only one who got votes.  I also know that many coaches pick seniors over underclassmen, but that was not true of all coaches this year.  Looks like Heike got just enough votes to win.

I agree that Rahman should have got COY.  She is flat out one of the best coaches in the country.  She has a gold mind in keeping northern MN to herself too.  Tough to kids away from there.  Her only real competition in recruiting up there is the scholarship schools.  BU was lucky to pull Thielke away from there.  Although the entire family was pro BU and Northwestern.  Still lucky though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 01, 2006, 02:22:24 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on March 01, 2006, 01:23:56 PM
Looks like Heike got just enough votes to win.

Are you speaking rhetorically or did you actual talk to someone/look somewhere to find this? I was told by Matt Ten Haken in the league office that the coaches simply told him how it worked out and he didn't even see the voting...

I'm not sure the entire Thielke family was pro-BU and NU. I know at least one who was pro-GAC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 01, 2006, 03:45:45 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 01, 2006, 02:22:24 PM

Are you speaking rhetorically or did you actual talk to someone/look somewhere to find this? I was told by Matt Ten Haken in the league office that the coaches simply told him how it worked out and he didn't even see the voting...


Painful to be scooped when someone has a better source?  :) :)

Just a guess (and not to take anything away from Anna), but I bet Monahan would have won had she been a senior.  In addition to her great year, Heikenan was probably being rewarded for an outstanding career at St. Ben's.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on March 01, 2006, 04:31:31 PM
CONGRATS to Anna Heikenen on a very well-deserved MIAC Player of the Year!  Not only is she amazing on the court - she is an All-American off the court as well!  Now, let's concentrate on Simpson and take care of some business down in Iowa.
 
Rahmen, in my opinion, was the clear coach of the year.  But, I'm sure some hesitated since she got it last year.  I actually think her coaching job this year was better than last year!  But, congrats to Haller as she has done a nice job with the GACkers.

I think Cager might be right about Durbin -- his success is his downfall.  18 seasons with 20+ wins and never less than 17 wins in a season at CSB means it's probably difficult for others to vote for him.  Maybe if CSB had a "down" year and only won 17 or 18 games he might be considered the following year if he bounced back to 20 wins.  But, I am just fine without trying that experiment!  I'm sure he's probably fine with it as well...   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on March 01, 2006, 05:20:10 PM
I would also like to add my congrats to Anna H on her MIAC MVP.  Where I am OK with the choice of her as MVP, I also would tend to agree with the thought that some underclassman lose votes because of thier years.  They will have more chances to win the award.  That said, take nothing away from Anna.

I also agree that Rahmen should have been the coach of they year.  Maybe last season's COY award might have cost her some votes, but based on what was lost and what was gained in the end, she and her staff have done a better job this season.  (Thank goodness the Cobbs have at least one decent basketball staff)

Finally about Durbin.  Obviously the possibility exsists that his success has been his downfall in winning this years COY.  However, in many other conferences at many other levels coaches that consistently win do still win many COY awards.  In the NCC Roebuck should and probably will win the COY award, even though maybe St. Cloud St's coach has done more with less talent.  At the DI men's level and coach of a number 1 or 2 seed will win the COY such as Coach K and others that have closets full of awards, but the coach that takes less talent to the 5-9 seed might have done a better job.  It is this reason that I propose another possibility. Is it possible that some of the other coaches in the MIAC feel the same way about Durbin as many people outside of CSB feel about him?  Afterall, every human has the ability to be blinded by dislike (outsider view) or jealousy (CSB view).  Either way, maybe it comes down to reputation within your conference and you colleagues across said conference.  I can't speak for any of the coaches nor would I try.  Just a thought.



CONGO RATS to all athletes/coaches that recieved awards this year.  Good Luck to both MIAC teams this weekend.......that is unless the COBBS and the bennies meet in round 2........in that case GO COBBS!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2006, 05:22:15 PM
Kudos to all the MIAC season winners; particularly Anna Heikenen who was very deserving.  Would have loved to see either Megan Vig or Bri Monahan get it but have no problem at all with it going to AH.  I can only echo the sentiments of BB about Anna........

Also, a big congrats to Mickey Haller on being named COY.  A very well-deserved honor bestowed on her.  Yes, you can make a very strong argument for Rahman at Concordia although I think she had a little more to work with even with the departure of Mandy.

OK Corn and Bennies, go down to my home state of Iowa and represent...........    
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on March 01, 2006, 06:47:18 PM
Solid; good points on the Durbin thing. Can't (And won't) comment either on the fellow coaches sentiment issue. Outside biases are meaningless other than they make for good posts. Seems the turnarounds get more attention/recognition than the dynasties.

Have to take issue with the Cobber coaching staff comment. I hear that the men lost 4 of 5 starters and had to play the string with underclassmen. Tough in any game.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on March 01, 2006, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: Cager on March 01, 2006, 06:47:18 PM
Have to take issue with the Cobber coaching staff comment. I hear that the men lost 4 of 5 starters and had to play the string with underclassmen. Tough in any game.

Has nothing to do with this years performace.  It's a decade long frustration with lack of recruiting along with the lack of positive feedback from current and former players about the staff.  This year was a rough year for injuries but the issues are much deeper than those injuries.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 01, 2006, 08:20:31 PM
Quote from: SOLID on March 01, 2006, 05:20:10 PM

Finally about Durbin.  Obviously the possibility exsists that his success has been his downfall in winning this years COY.  However, in many other conferences at many other levels coaches that consistently win do still win many COY awards.  In the NCC Roebuck should and probably will win the COY award, even though maybe St. Cloud St's coach has done more with less talent.  At the DI men's level and coach of a number 1 or 2 seed will win the COY such as Coach K and others that have closets full of awards, but the coach that takes less talent to the 5-9 seed might have done a better job.  It is this reason that I propose another possibility. Is it possible that some of the other coaches in the MIAC feel the same way about Durbin as many people outside of CSB feel about him?  Afterall, every human has the ability to be blinded by dislike (outsider view) or jealousy (CSB view).  Either way, maybe it comes down to reputation within your conference and you colleagues across said conference.  I can't speak for any of the coaches nor would I try.  Just a thought.
Yea you're maybe right, he is hard to like, he only wins 20 games almost every year, his players love him, the CSB fans think the world of him, he is a great family man, is active in the community, treats everyone around him with respect, talks to anybody and everybody, has a great relationship with former players, is always accessable to fans and media, always talks positive about opposing players, coaches and teams... but yea that jealousy thing is hard to overcome!! :(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: randle on March 01, 2006, 09:18:32 PM
I think Durbin really admires the  DIII Coach of the year awards.  Plus I think with 3 they give you get egg rolls.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on March 01, 2006, 10:33:48 PM
Way to go Anna!  In addition to being the MIAC MVP, Anna will be the MVP for St. Ben's for the third consecutive year.  She has done so much since she "saw the light" and left Winona St. for CSB.  I'm just glad we have at least one more game (and hopefullly more) to watch her shine. 

As for Coach of the Year, I think it was highway robbery not to give it to Rahman.  There was some doubt in my mind that the Cobber team I saw at CSB in December would even make the top 6 in the MIAC let alone win the tourney and go to the NCAA Tournament.  That was one heck of a job she did up in Moorhead.  I think if the votes went to the posters on this site, it is clear that she would have been the winner.

I also think that Durbin will have to go undefeated in order to get a nod for coach of the year again.  He does such a bang up job of recruiting the everyone just assumes he can roll the balls out on the court and kick back in an easy chair.   Durbin has 14 NCAA tournament appearances, 2 Final Fours, 9 MIAC Titles and has won 20 plus games in 18 of his 20 seasons as head coach at CSB.  I think he does just fine without the Coach of the Year certificate. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on March 02, 2006, 02:03:54 AM
Solid; Don't have enough data to refute your position. Do have respect for the coaching leadership and therefore think better times to come.

We'll see.

The big question for Durbin: "Does COY mean more than the prestige of a program rich in regular and post-seaon success?" Ego vs. the program. Although were I in his position, I'd appreciate the validation of my peers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 09:51:06 AM


Cella is again with the Cobber team and is chronicling the trip with an on-line journal. He did this with the football team earlier whe nthey went off to Linfield.  I think its a pretty entertaining and interesting read.

http://www.cord.edu/dept/sports/winter/wbb/roadtotheplayoffs.php

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 09:53:55 AM
Quote from: blazerguy link=topic=4152.msg498680#msg498680 date=1141262431
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Yea you're maybe right, he is hard to like, he only wins 20 games almost every year, his players love him, the CSB fans think the world of him, he is a great family man, is active in the community, treats everyone around him with respect, talks to anybody and everybody, has a great relationship with former players, is always accessable to fans and media, always talks positive about opposing players, coaches and teams... but yea that jealousy thing is hard to overcome!! :(
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Blazerguy:  Coach Durbin very well be all of those things, but you have to admit that he has also built up a number of people that are turned off by him. Now this may be jealousy, or it may be a clashing wiht his personality, but don't pretend that that sentiment is not out there.  Now is it felt inside the MIAC coaching fraternity?? I have no idea, and I wouldn't care to wager a guess.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BVHawk on March 02, 2006, 11:46:19 AM
Anyone throwing out predictions for the Simpson game?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: BVHawk on March 02, 2006, 11:46:19 AM
Anyone throwing out predictions for the Simpson game?


Bennies by 8


I really have nothing to base this on.  Heck, I don't even like the Bennies ;D, but I'll go with it anyway.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 02, 2006, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: BVHawk on March 02, 2006, 11:46:19 AM
Anyone throwing out predictions for the Simpson game?

I'll take a stab with an MIAC bias - Bennies 66, Simpson 63.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 02, 2006, 04:12:23 PM
As one of few die-hard Blazer fans NOT able to travel to Iowa for the game, it'll not be easy to listen over the internet tomorrow (and hopefully Saturday). 

My prediction, based on watching the same matchup last year, is an 11 point win for my Blazers.  Simpson has talent, but I don't see them causing enough turnovers to keep CSB down.

Final score- CSB 73, Simpson 62

Cobbers and UW-Stout game should be interesting.  I wouldn't be surprised by anything except a blowout by either team.  Stout has always turned their games into track meets, but the Cobs are better at grinding down an opponent and controlling the ball.  In a battle of contrasting styles, I'm pulling for Concordia, in hopes of the MIAC sweeping the neighboring states out of the tourney.

Final score- CCM 65, Stout 63

Go MIAC!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on March 02, 2006, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: BVHawk on March 02, 2006, 11:46:19 AM
Anyone throwing out predictions for the Simpson game?


Bennies by 8


I really have nothing to base this on.  Heck, I don't even like the Bennies ;D, but I'll go with it anyway.


Also having nothing to base any predictions on, I'll throw out a score of 60-53 Bennies.  Iced with free throws, shooting % low in the first half, because of national tournament "pressures".
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on March 02, 2006, 04:12:23 PM
As one of few die-hard Blazer fans NOT able to travel to Iowa for the game, it'll not be easy to listen over the internet tomorrow (and hopefully Saturday). 

My prediction, based on watching the same matchup last year, is an 11 point win for my Blazers.  Simpson has talent, but I don't see them causing enough turnovers to keep CSB down.

Final score- CSB 73, Simpson 62

Cobbers and UW-Stout game should be interesting.  I wouldn't be surprised by anything except a blowout by either team.  Stout has always turned their games into track meets, but the Cobs are better at grinding down an opponent and controlling the ball.  In a battle of contrasting styles, I'm pulling for Concordia, in hopes of the MIAC sweeping the neighboring states out of the tourney.

Final score- CCM 65, Stout 63

Go MIAC!!!!!


CM-  I hear you about listening on the radio, it is definitely not going to be easy, and I will probably be doing a lot of pacing, no matter if the Cobbs are up or down.

Here's to a MIAC sweep on Friday.


Ofcourse that means that saturday the gloves would have to come off ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: SOLID on March 02, 2006, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: BVHawk on March 02, 2006, 11:46:19 AM
Anyone throwing out predictions for the Simpson game?


Bennies by 8


I really have nothing to base this on.  Heck, I don't even like the Bennies ;D, but I'll go with it anyway.


Also having nothing to base any predictions on, I'll throw out a score of 60-53 Bennies.  Iced with free throws, shooting % low in the first half, because of national tournament "pressures".


Solid- (I laughed a little when I wrote the name)  How is it that you have time to post on this site with the busy demands of Parent-Teacher conferences?? Something fishy here :-\
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SOLID on March 02, 2006, 11:56:36 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: SOLID on March 02, 2006, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on March 02, 2006, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: BVHawk on March 02, 2006, 11:46:19 AM
Anyone throwing out predictions for the Simpson game?


Bennies by 8


I really have nothing to base this on.  Heck, I don't even like the Bennies ;D, but I'll go with it anyway.


Also having nothing to base any predictions on, I'll throw out a score of 60-53 Bennies.  Iced with free throws, shooting % low in the first half, because of national tournament "pressures".


Solid- (I laughed a little when I wrote the name)  How is it that you have time to post on this site with the busy demands of Parent-Teacher conferences?? Something fishy here :-\

Wow, funny that's the same thought that has crossed my mind as I read your posts.  Life sure is different at the other end of the building.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on March 03, 2006, 12:07:20 AM
I don't really know what to predict for tomorrow night.  My Blazers have to play on the road after being off for a week and a half.  How rusty will they be?  Will they be able to handle the pressing and traping Storm?  I am not overly impressed with the Iowa Conference if Loras finished 4th.  CSB smoked Loras earlier this year and the Loras team I saw that night would not come close to finishing in the top six in the MIAC.  But, Simpson must be solid as they only lost one conference game so they took care of business.  If the Blazers come out sluggish after the long break it could be a long night on the road.  The one thing I know is that CSB will need to shoot MUCH better than they did against Carleton if they want to advance.  I also think the stat to watch it turnovers --- Simpson ususally causes 20+ turnovers a game so if CSB can keep that number under 15 they will have a great chance...then again, they only committed 5 turnovers against Carleton!

But, after all that, I will give my prediction and have faith in my squad.  I will say the Blazers advance in a close game...75-72...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on March 03, 2006, 09:47:53 AM
WW, in response to where I got my info, usually one of the coaches in the conference is in charge of gathering all the votes.  It used to be Haller from GAC, but I'm not sure it still is.  They gather in all the votes from the other coaches, and yes, they tell the office "how it goes."  I know a few of the coaches in the league, and I know not all of them voted for Heike.  A majority must have though.

This weekend is a tough one.  I'm a fellow Iowegian like the Rams, and I grew up around Wartburg College, so it's tough to chear against the IIAC.  Plus, I don't really like Bens, but I do love the MIAC.  So I will chear on the winner and not care about the outcome of the Simpson and CSB game.  I also like the Simpson coach, very nice guy.  Concordia is who I hope makes it to the sweet 16 from this pairing though.  Lots of respect for Coach Rahman.  She might be the classiest coach in the conference, and I'm pretty biased sometimes. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gunk on March 03, 2006, 12:04:33 PM
To all commenting on coach of the year and this includes WW.

As all know. the Coach of the Year Award is awarded by MIAC peers. I have no clue as to what criteria is, or has been used, by the individual coaches as they cast their votes. These people meet and know each other very well. Do they have an understanding of criteria, either written or unwritten? Who knows?

One thing however is sure. the coaches who vote are in the middle of the action. They work together on MIAC issues and they work against one-another on the court. They probably know each other, particularly those who have been around a few years, better than any of the pundits who post to this site. Fortunately, they make the choice and not all of the second guessors and rable rowsers who post.


I would remind everyone also, that at the beginning of the season most posters to the site predicted the Gusties to end up in 7th or 8th place this year. Just maybe, Coach Haller deserves the honor bestowed by her peers for having inspired  and lead such a dismal team to achieve the position they did in the playoffs. 

 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 03, 2006, 12:55:35 PM
gunk - I think you may be confusing "most" with LA Rams, singuler. He, who claims to be a Gustie fan, had them something ridiculous like 9th. I promised they'd be in the playoffs. I'm not sure I picked them third, but I too lazy to go check :)

Most had Concordia out of the mix as well and they finished second, winning the playoff crown. GAC, who was beaten three times by the Cobbers, did it with two legit MVP candidates. Concordia returned to the big dance without its 2-time MVP while having just one senior on the roster.

If you want to rip everyone on this site for disagreeing with Haller go ahead, but she'd still have been second on my ballot.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2006, 01:47:51 PM

Willy, allow me to refresh your memory.  Yes, I did initially pick the Gusties to finish 8, then moved them up a notch when I revised my picks a bit later.  I don't think, however, there would have been many out there at the beginning of the year as free-wheeling as you willing to bet the farm that the Gusties would finish 3rd.  The fact that they did speaks volumes about Mickey and her coaching abilities.  Besides Monahan, Vadnais, and perhaps Boldt, there really wasn't a whole helluva lot to work with.  Yes, Concordia did lose Mandy and that was huge but they still had Ehlert, Hageman, Keeley, et al coming back and they all made huge contributions last year taking a huge load off of Mandy's shoulders.

Here's hoping the Corn and Bennies do it up right in my home state of Iowa! 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2006, 04:22:16 PM
For anybody interested in tuning in to the games, the CSB radio crew is broadcasting both games. 

Cobber link: http://www.cord.edu/dept/sports/winter/wbb/index.php

Blazer link:  http://www.csbsju.edu/csbsports/default.htm

Go MIAC, and, in case of a Blazer-Cobber rematch tomorrow, GO BLAZERS!!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BDB on March 03, 2006, 04:28:29 PM
When listening to the Cobber-BlueDevil game tonight, the Stout players to pay attention to are Kelsey Duoss and Molly Hendricks.

Both were all conference and Duoss was conference Player of the Year.

Should be a good game.

Trouble for me is, the BlueDevil men are playing Carelton at the same time. 

Listening to 2 games should be interesting.  :P
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 03, 2006, 05:56:37 PM


Good luck to the Cobber ladies tonight, and I guess to the Blazer women as well.   I am sure the players are getting some butterflies, because I am a little nervous myself.  Good luck to the MIAC tonight, and here's hoping everyone stays injury free. 

Go Cobbs!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 03, 2006, 06:02:25 PM
Anyone going to be posting updates tonight? I'll be covering hockey until 11ish, but I'd lvoe to read how they did throughout the game if people have the time :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 06:39:17 PM
Early on its 7-6 Stout
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 06:49:32 PM
Stout up 22-10.  What contrasting styles!  Concordia runs the shot clock down (3 shot clock violations) and Stout runs and guns.  Stout on a big run.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 07:06:15 PM
Stout up 30-18 at the half.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 07:30:06 PM
39-27 Stout early 2nd
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 07:34:32 PM
46-27 Stout up with 12min
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 08:01:22 PM
Stout wins 61-37
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 08:05:18 PM
Congratulations on a great season for a young team.  I expect to see the Cobbers back in the D3 Tourney next year!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 03, 2006, 08:19:10 PM


Congratulations to the Cobbers on an outstanding year. You ladies really gave us fans a lot of entertainment this winter, and for that I say thank you.  The future definitely looks promising for the Cobber women.  Good luck to the Blue Devils the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 08:26:58 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on March 03, 2006, 08:19:10 PM
Good luck to the Blue Devils the rest of the way.


Thanks!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2006, 09:20:53 PM
Blazers up 8 at the half, 44-36.  Looks like both teams are living up to their PPG so far...

Well-balanced scoring for both teams, no single player dominating for either squad so far.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2006, 09:43:31 PM
52-51 CSB about 8 minutes into the second half.  CSB's 11 point lead has disappeared after some careless passes and a few missed shots.  We've got a good one going!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 09:45:01 PM
Keep the updates coming, please.  I appreciate it!  Sounds like a good one
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2006, 10:13:03 PM
71-68 Simpson, CSB with the ball and in time out, 35 seconds.

Second-chance points for Storm, foul trouble for CSB have made it a close game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2006, 10:14:57 PM
71-70, 13 second left,
CSB shot very well in the second half, Simpson's pressure D has finally kicked in in the second half, and the Blazers had to sit Noreen and Heikenen for stretches early in the second half.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2006, 10:18:07 PM
73-70 Simpson, final score.

Noreen almost got off a shot at the end, but the D closed quickly and got a fingertip on it as it went up.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2006, 10:26:02 PM
Congrats to my favorite team on a great season, and an AMAZING career for Anna Heikenen.  Not the way we were hoping, obviously, for either St. Ben's or the MIAC, but at least it ended in the tournament, which not that many teams can say right now.

Hot shooting in the first half (50% overall), then only 29.6% in the second half.  Simpson played some great D, and caused a lot of turnovers at key moments in the second half.  The Storm also shot in the high 40's for the game, just enough to squeak out the win in crunch time. 

20 lead changes in the game, and a great one the whole way through!

It sounded like CSB was beat on the offensive glass in the second half, and we gave up too many second choice baskets to win it.  Katch was credited with 10 blocks in the game, which will certainly contribute to the shooting percentage drop for the Blazers.

That's it for tonight, and unfortunately, for the MIAC this season.  Good night, travel safely, and GO Blazers!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 04, 2006, 03:07:36 AM
Tough way to end the year for the MIAC. Thanks for the game updates everyone.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 05:54:03 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 03, 2006, 11:04:31 PM
Is there a link for tomorrow night's Stout - Simpson game?

It looks like there is a link through Simpson on the women's scoreboard page.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 04, 2006, 09:55:29 PM

Definitely a disappointing night last night for the MIAC.  I wasn't that surprised that Simpson held off CSB on their home floor.  But I definitely expected more out of Concordia, even if it was this team's first trip to the dance.  61-37?  OUCH!  I mean, I knew Stout was a quality team and all but still.  Is the WIAC that good or is the MIAC that bad? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 05, 2006, 08:53:38 AM
I'd like to suggest that the WIAC is just that good. 

We have three other WIAC teams that are good enough to have been playing this weekend - Stevens Point, Oshkosh and LaCrosse.

I truly believe that any of those teams would have given Simpson a run for their money on Simpson's home court last night.  Not saying that they'd have all won, but they would have been very competitive games.

Concordia is a young team - they could very well be back next year and go deeper in the Tournament!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 05, 2006, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 04, 2006, 09:55:29 PM

Definitely a disappointing night last night for the MIAC.  I wasn't that surprised that Simpson held off CSB on their home floor.  But I definitely expected more out of Concordia, even if it was this team's first trip to the dance.  61-37?  OUCH!  I mean, I knew Stout was a quality team and all but still.  Is the WIAC that good or is the MIAC that bad? 
I don't think you can make any conclusions from one blowout game. Yes the Cobbers got outplayed in their game but I think it was a case of NCAA gitters. Stout played well, Simpson played very well in the 3 point win over our Blazers, it could have gone either way. I think if you took, the Blazers, Cobbers, Gusties, and Carlton against the WIAC top four you would see 4 very competitive games.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 06, 2006, 08:47:48 AM

A coaching change in the MIAC already.  Tim Kjar is leaving St. Kate's to head to NoCal and will be replaced by his able assistant, Gary Rufsvold.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on March 06, 2006, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 06, 2006, 08:47:48 AM

A coaching change in the MIAC already. Tim Kjar is leaving St. Kate's to head to NoCal and will be replaced by his able assistant, Gary Rufsvold.

Where or what is NoCal? Just out of curiosity...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on March 06, 2006, 03:04:14 PM
When your conference is made up of all state schools, that make it cheaper for MN kids to go to WI over other MN schools, and can keep their kids in state, then I would expect the WIAC to be better than most of the MIAC schools.  Recruiting wise, it's a major advantage if money is a major issue.  That's why the UW schools come over to MN to recruit, but many of the MN schools do not actively recruits WI schools.  I work at a state school, and believe me, I love that money wise, we can beat just about any one.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 06, 2006, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on March 06, 2006, 03:04:14 PM
When your conference is made up of all state schools, that make it cheaper for MN kids to go to WI over other MN schools, and can keep their kids in state, then I would expect the WIAC to be better than most of the MIAC schools.  Recruiting wise, it's a major advantage if money is a major issue.  That's why the UW schools come over to MN to recruit, but many of the MN schools do not actively recruits WI schools.  I work at a state school, and believe me, I love that money wise, we can beat just about any one.
Out of curiosity... how many D2 schools are there in Wisconsin??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: randle on March 06, 2006, 05:45:30 PM
My quess would be 1 UW Parkside
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on March 06, 2006, 06:34:45 PM
Randle;

I was under the impressions there were no D2 schools in WI. I thought it was D1 or D3. Should I be corrected?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: randle on March 06, 2006, 07:01:44 PM
Try this web site for D2 Schools

http://www.siue.edu/ATHLETIC/d2/state.html
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on March 06, 2006, 08:14:36 PM
Randle;

Thanks for the info. Good luck next year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 07, 2006, 08:38:07 AM

SS51; et al,

Kjar's wife's job is taking them to the Bay area; the Frisco side if I remember correctly.  He hopes to get back into coaching somewhere out there in the area.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on March 07, 2006, 01:22:31 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 07, 2006, 08:38:07 AM

SS51; et al,

Kjar's wife's job is taking them to the Bay area; the Frisco side if I remember correctly. He hopes to get back into coaching somewhere out there in the area.

Thanks for the clarification:)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 07, 2006, 05:34:59 PM


Okay well I am bored already, so...  let's start talking about next year.  What are people's picks for playoff teams, conference champs, MVP, all-conference, recruiting...anything.  Let's just try to keep some sort of MIAC related dialogue going.


Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on March 07, 2006, 06:38:51 PM
Well, I have been working the past few days and trying to recover from the long trip down to Indianola.  I have some dear friends from Iowa but I will say that I am not overly impressed with the state and Des Moines is not very attractive (in my opinion).

As for the games - I was at the Concordia-Stout game in addition to the CSB-Simpson.  In the Concordia game - the Cobbs looked overwhelmed from the moment the ball was tipped.  They seemed so worried about running down the shot clock and eating time that they never really considered getting some shots off.  Stout was very good and had tremendous post play but Concordia made them look much better by being very, very tentative and overly deliberate on the offensive end.  On defense, they had no answer for Duoss and McDermid.  Stout appears to be beatable because they are very undisciplined and just want to run, run, run and they turn the ball over a ton.  That is why they will end up losing at some point in this tournament.

In the CSB-Simpson game the Blazers shot very well in the first half and at the start of the second half - going up by 11 points.  Then, they started missing shots and the fouls began to add up.  That was the strange thing - the officials were calling a pretty good game both ways until Noreen and Heikenen both picked up their 3rd fouls (and they were legit calls).  Then, every time the whistle blew it seemed like it was on a CSB player.  With both Noreen and Heikenen on the bench with 3 fouls Simpson made their run, got the big crowd involved, and then it was a battle.  CSB went down 9 but Noreen and Heikenen brought them back but it was just a little short.  It was actually a really fun game and the crowd was loud and really into it.  Almost one whole side of the gym was full of students who stood and screamed and yelled the whole game.  It made for a fun playoff atmosphere and I'm sure it energized the Storm --- it was a great home court advantage and atmosphere.  I just wish the Blazers had persevered!

 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 08, 2006, 09:17:02 AM


Willy Wonka-  Congrats to your sister on a well deserved MVP award. Hopefully her team can add a big NCAA trophy to the trophy case as well.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 09, 2006, 03:07:09 PM
M&G - Sorry for the late response...I've been running around like a chicken with my head cut off the last few days. Thanks though. Well deserved, though I thought she deserved it last year too.

I'll post my predictions when I get back on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 09, 2006, 03:47:42 PM
M&G et al...

My predictions for next season, since I can't imagine any of us know any recruiting news at this point...

Regular Season Champs:  Tie between GAC and CSB, Cobs one game back

Playoff teams: GAC, CSB, Concordia, Carleton, UST, and Bethel.

Player of the Year: Monahan

All-Conference top 5:  Kempe (CSB), Noreen(CSB), Vadnais (GAC), Monahan (GAC), Hageman (CCM)

Recruiting: no clue, I haven't heard about any big names picking MIAC schools at this point...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on March 09, 2006, 04:59:06 PM
Collegeville et. al...

Interesting predictions. I think there will be a horse race for the reg. season 'ship amongst the three teams named.

CSB has some pretty big shoes (And offensive prodcution) to fill. Durbin will have his hands full revamping his offense. The go-to person is gone.

GAC's need for Monahan to make her last year count will be a definite motivator.

Cobbers bring a lot of experience back (losing one senior) and the year of experience for the young guards will pay off.

Don't count out our friends in Northfield. Tammy made life difficult in the 2nd half of last season.

No mention of Keely (Cobbers) in the conference top 5?

What about Hamline as a playoff team?

Recruiting and tranfers are the variables of course.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 09, 2006, 05:23:23 PM

I haven't had a lot of time to think about it to go whole-hog on the prediction thing but one team I think that could be a playoff contender next year, oddly enough, is St. Olaf.  They do lose Schwictenberg but they've got a lot of size and experience coming back and they were the hottest team coming down the stretch.  Hamline, I think, takes a fall.  How far, I'm not sure right now.......   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 11, 2006, 09:40:40 PM
Cager - I'd wager that Hamline will drop like a mafia hit with cement boots.  Their top two players are gone, and without a few HUGE recruits/transfers, there are other conference foes ready to pass them up.

Keely doesn't make my top 5 because I think Noreen, Kempe, and Vadnais are all better guards than her.  I don't see Keely and Vadnais more than once or twice per year, but I think Jess is much more dangerous.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on March 12, 2006, 05:21:58 PM
CM - Point taken on the losses at Hamline, but I think a little more time with Pearson will pay dividends. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

My same issue with Darby, Kempe in terms of number of times seen per year. Can't appreciate their value due to the presence (Oops former!) of Anna and her impact on games.

Haven't really seen Vadnais take over a game and have a major impact.

Here's to a quick spring and lots of good golf weather!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 13, 2006, 06:42:34 PM
Hamline is getting a six foot post from Cooper named Sammy Winkleman...not kidding on that name either. I saw her play in the section final game the other day against Armstrong and she played very well...however that was against Armstrong - the 11-16 team that's going to state.

Other recruits that I am aware of....Megan Milusenic from Orono is going to Carleton and I believe Abby Thom from Meadow Creek Christian is going to Bethel.

Cager, as for Vadnais not taking over a game and having a major impact, do you mean in games you've witnessed personally, or at all? I think being top 5 in scoring in the conf. and leading your team in assists would be considered having a major impact, but that's just me.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on March 14, 2006, 01:41:30 PM
GAC;

6 footer at Hamline will help, but is there a post to teach her? Inside game in the MIAC is no place for kids! Might keep them in the playoffs though.

Regardig Vadnais. Referring to games I've witnessed. It wouldn't be fair to make an overall generalization. Seeing her play twice may not be enough to create an informed opinion. Just commenting upon what I've seen in the last several years. Certainly can't argue with the stats.

Good luck next year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 14, 2006, 02:11:46 PM
M&G - Yuck. Not the best way for the league MVP to go out at UND...2-11 FG, 7 turnovers and being benched for a 4 minute stretch late in the game. Great career (3rd in Sioux scoring and rebounding I believe), terrible finish.

I know it's off topic, but does anyone know anything about Sasha Hanson from Marshall? Apparently the SCSU PG kicked a UND player in the second regular season matchup (it's on film, so it's not hearsay :) ) and the parent's section was less than complimentary of her. Good player though, making it hard to stomach.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 14, 2006, 05:46:01 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 14, 2006, 02:11:46 PM
M&G - Yuck. Not the best way for the league MVP to go out at UND...2-11 FG, 7 turnovers and being benched for a 4 minute stretch late in the game. Great career (3rd in Sioux scoring and rebounding I believe), terrible finish.

I know it's off topic, but does anyone know anything about Sasha Hanson from Marshall? Apparently the SCSU PG kicked a UND player in the second regular season matchup (it's on film, so it's not hearsay :) ) and the parent's section was less than complimentary of her. Good player though, making it hard to stomach.
Typical Willy comment after a team has one of its biggest wins in history. Congratulations to SCSU for a great win, good luck at the final eight. Go Huskies!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 14, 2006, 09:03:15 PM
Typical blazerball post after a Wonka posting of the facts. Grow up, buddy.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 15, 2006, 10:18:54 AM
Congratulations to Anna Heikenen, Darby Noreen, Melanie Hageman, Erica Ophdahl and Megan Vig!  Anna made first team All-Region, Darby, Melanie and Erica second team and Megan third.

Now for the heading shaking:  "Bri, "Bri, where are you?"  Not even a third team?  Anyone else find that a bit odd?   ??? ???

Not to take anything away from Noreen, but I would probably have put Vadnais and maybe Ahlberg in front of her at guard.

In her four years, Megan went from third team, to second, to first and then back to fourth.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on March 15, 2006, 10:29:10 AM
Any word on who might be the next Cobber assistant coach?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 15, 2006, 01:49:16 PM
Thanks, Nites. I can only imagine what bb would have posted had I voiced that same complaint  ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 15, 2006, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 15, 2006, 01:49:16 PM
Thanks, Nites. I can only imagine what bb would have posted had I voiced that same complaint  ::)

Opdahl is a very, very good player.  However, Monahan had better stats (although not quite as good a rebounder) in 6 minute less playing time AND the Gusties went 15-5 in conference and 19-7 overall vs. the 7-13, 10-15 numbers put up by the Tommies.  Granted the Tommies suffered a number of injuries, but (1) it wasn't as if the Gusties were loaded with the talent of a CSB, and (2) Opdahl's performance wasn't enough to elevate her team despite the injuries.

Quite frankly, Monahan probably deserved a spot over Vig who also is a tremendous player who had a fabulous career.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 15, 2006, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on March 15, 2006, 10:29:10 AM
Any word on who might be the next Cobber assistant coach?

Nothing new as of yet.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 15, 2006, 06:57:19 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 14, 2006, 09:03:15 PM
Typical blazerball post after a Wonka posting of the facts. Grow up, buddy.
First of all Willy its "Blazerguy", I know you have trouble with facts but at least get the name right, blazerball might get upset being confused with me. And the ("Grow up buddy"), talk about the pot, and the kettle, and the you know the rest!!  :o ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 15, 2006, 10:10:13 PM
blazerguy - You Bennies are all the same to me, except CM. He and I seem to be getting along lately for some weird reason.

Sat with and talk to UND and SCSU ast. coaches today at the state tourney. Good people. The Huskie coach seemed as surprised as I was that they won. I even wished him good luck. Aren't you people proud?  ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 16, 2006, 05:17:08 AM
There should be a criminal investigation as to why Monahan did not get all-region and Opdahl, Vig, Hageman and Noreen of all people did.

Monahan is a finalist for All-american! And she can't even get on the third team all region. What a joke.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 16, 2006, 07:23:01 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 16, 2006, 05:17:08 AM
There should be a criminal investigation as to why Monahan did not get all-region and Opdahl, Vig, Hageman and Noreen of all people did.


Now, criminal investigation might be taking it a wee bit far........  :)

Noreen making second team should not have impacted Monahan because the voting was separate for front court and back court players.  Noreen was just competing against the guards.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 16, 2006, 01:46:36 PM
Maybe Tim Kennedy should have nominated Monahan as a guard then, as the SJU SID entered Paul Henrichs to get him on the All Region team as a sophomore.

It's amazing how good a center/forward's rebounding and shooting percentage numbers look next to guards, especially when said forward never shot outside of 10 feet. At least it'd look slightly more convincing from Bri, who hit 18/45 from deep, whereas Henrichs shot less than five -- likely all halfcourt heaves at the buzzer since he had about as much range as I did.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 16, 2006, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 16, 2006, 01:46:36 PM
Maybe Tim Kennedy should have nominated Monahan as a guard then, as the SJU SID entered Paul Henrichs to get him on the All Region team as a sophomore.


::) Haah!  You're right.  I missed that little tidbit when I saw his name on the Third Team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 18, 2006, 12:19:44 PM
Congrats to Anna Heikenen for making Kodak/WBCA All-American and to Vig and Monahan for achieving Honorable Mention.


http://www.csbsju.edu/csbsports/basketball/news/WBCA%20and%20Kodak%20Announce%20Division%20III%20All-American%20Team.htm

WW - a bit of irony; note that Monahan is listed as a guard.  ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 19, 2006, 08:15:09 AM
Another accolade for Heikenen: D3 Hoops Second Team All-American.

http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/06/womallam06.htm
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 19, 2006, 11:29:52 AM
TK is no idiot. If Monahan is going to get screwed in the all region voting, he'll work the system to make sure it doesn't happen with all american.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: slanted on March 19, 2006, 01:50:18 PM
I would like to congratulate Anna, Megan, and Bri on WBCA All-American selection.
Anna had great years for the Blazers,and Megan for the Knights.
Good Luck to both in the years ahead!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 19, 2006, 09:19:08 PM
HUGE props to Heiks, Bri, and Megan on their selections!  Great to see Anna on the All-Americans list, and certainly a wonderful honor to have two other MIACers on the Honorable Mention.

Even though our conference didn't advance in the tourney like we all hoped, it's great to see our group of great student-athletes get some national publicity!

Go MIAC!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 20, 2006, 01:45:53 PM
I've been out of the loop a little as my focus was (until about 1:39 P.M. this last Friday) on the "Big" Dance.  As you can imagine, I'm still in major, major mourning as the Iowa Hawkeye Express was derailed in a friggin' last-second buzzer-beater.  Sickening  :'( :'( :'(

However, I did want to offer a big congrats to Megan, Bri, and AH on their selections.   :-X

P.S.

The Iowa Hawkeyes WILL bounce back ;) 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 20, 2006, 03:29:46 PM

Congrats to all MIAC performers who were honored with post-season accolades. You are all well deserved of the varying awards, and by attaining this personal success, you also represent the conference in a very positive light.

Can time go any faster???

Not too much time, just until Thursday when the NCAA tourney fires up again. ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 21, 2006, 10:13:55 PM
Or Wednesday when the boys state tourney starts :)

M&G - Disappointed you didn't post the news about my sister. She keeps rubbing it in my face about how much better than me she is  :P
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 22, 2006, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 21, 2006, 10:13:55 PM
Or Wednesday when the boys state tourney starts :)

M&G - Disappointed you didn't post the news about my sister. She keeps rubbing it in my face about how much better than me she is  :P

Are you covering the State tourney this weekend?  If you are I would be interested to see what you think of a couple teams from up this way and around the state.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 23, 2006, 01:43:29 AM
Rams- Think again...the cupboard is bare in Iowa City! If it wasn't for the Gophers I'd pick the Hawks to finish last next year. What a disaster the last couple of days have been for the two programs...The Monson mess with the Strib reporting he was going to be fired and then it turns out he's back despite the fact that he might be the worst recruiter in Big Ten history. And who knows with Alford...Missouri? But won't even get an interview for the Indiana job?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 23, 2006, 01:50:27 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 23, 2006, 01:43:29 AM
Rams- Think again...the cupboard is bare in Iowa City! If it wasn't for the Gophers I'd pick the Hawks to finish last next year. What a disaster the last couple of days have been for the two programs...The Monson mess with the Strib reporting he was going to be fired and then it turns out he's back despite the fact that he might be the worst recruiter in Big Ten history. And who knows with Alford...Missouri? But won't even get an interview for the Indiana job?

Gacbacker,

Actually, that's not entirely accurate.  True, we do lose some great seniors in Horner (I used to play pick-up ball with him and Dean Oliver when I lived in Mason City), Brunner, Erek Hansen, and Doug Thomas.  But we've still got some good players coming back; i.e., Haluska and Mike Henderson.  Tony Freeman was solid coming off the bench for Horner and Alex Thompson played key minutes down the stretch as well.  While I don't expect 25 wins, I don't think a return trip to the NCAA Tournament is out of the question.  The whole mess with SA starting with the backslap from his alma mater and then the whole Mizzou fiasco (he was never interested BTW, likely wanted to get some leverage with Bowlsby after IU said no) hasn't helped but I'm glad SA's firmly entrenched in Iowa City now.

Moving on, I did get to catch a good chunk of the state tournament last week (and hope to with the boys this week as well).  A lot of decent players out there.  Anybody have any recruiting inside info???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: billys on March 29, 2006, 10:30:08 AM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on March 15, 2006, 10:29:10 AM
Any word on who might be the next Cobber assistant coach?

Is that a good job? I know my buddy that coaches over at UW-La Crosse is looking at applying. He's mid-20's and a great recruiter. Brought in their class which led them to 19-8 this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on March 29, 2006, 12:36:56 PM

In my opinion its a good job because it is a chance to work with a successful program, which is still improving, and you would work with one of the best young coaches in the nation IMHO.  Also I think that it is the middle of an area that produces a huge number of quality high school players, and I think that the recruiting potential is still yet to be totally tapped.

Now I could be biased by being a Cobber alum, but that's my opinion.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: billys on March 30, 2006, 10:14:27 PM
Thanks. Like I said he's a pretty tireless recruiter so I'm sure he'd love that. I'll tell him I heard it was a good job. We'd miss him here at La Crosse, I think he relates well to all of the young kids here.

From what you say it sounds like a good position. I guess we'll see what happens
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on April 03, 2006, 05:40:10 PM
Enough of the Big Ten men's hoops talk...

Anybody know any big recruits heading to MIAC schools next fall?  It's got to be about the time that the non-sholarship kids should have a clue as to where they're playing next winter.

I've heard rumblings about a few decent players in the CSB class of 2010, but nothing confirmable.  If we can't talk about games to be played, or even dumb summer leagues, can't we at least hear about additions/subtractions from rosters?

Any transfers out there?  Any impact players turning in the uniform before running out of eligibility?  Any more coaching moves?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on April 03, 2006, 11:04:54 PM
There's a Red Wing girl — Megan Swanson — who made All State Hon. Men. who's headed to St. Thomas. She's more of a spotup shooter type, so her role will be limited at best her first few years I'd guess, especially with the youth the Tommies return.

As an aside, I need help from a Bennie. I can't navigate your site to save my life. Does Durbin post season stats for his sports throughout the season or does he just wait to post them all at the end?

I have a few locals up there that I'm trying to keep track of. I'm finding it very hard to do. Can someone tell me where to click please? I feel like I've tried everywhere and my Bennie co-worker can't even help me...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 01:44:58 AM
Maybe the MIAC site will have what you need.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on April 04, 2006, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on April 03, 2006, 11:04:54 PM
As an aside, I need help from a Bennie. I can't navigate your site to save my life. Does Durbin post season stats for his sports throughout the season or does he just wait to post them all at the end?

I have a few locals up there that I'm trying to keep track of. I'm finding it very hard to do. Can someone tell me where to click please? I feel like I've tried everywhere and my Bennie co-worker can't even help me...

Not a Bennie fan, but during the season you could click on "Schedule" and then get the season stats from that page.  However, I just tried that and it looks like they have already taken down the stats for the year for some reason (won't allow you to click on the "stats" link).  You could go to "Past Season Information" and click on the 2005-2006 season, but all you will get are stats from some individual games.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: FlyingHigh on April 04, 2006, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on April 03, 2006, 05:40:10 PM
Any transfers out there?  Any impact players turning in the uniform before running out of eligibility?  Any more coaching moves?

http://sports.smumn.edu/general/messmann.html
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 07:02:28 PM
That was in Notables earlier today as well. We run news on the site as well as message boards.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on April 05, 2006, 01:37:27 PM
I'm actually looking for softball stats, not basketball. I can't find a link with updated stats anywhere. Does one exist or aren't CSB stats compiled until after the season is over? I know you Bennies are still out there...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on April 05, 2006, 05:21:38 PM
Another MIAC coaching change as Dan Messman has stepped down at SMU.  Any possible candidates out there to take that gig in W-town? 

WHAT a mess over in Dinkytown with the Gopher women.  Geez. :(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on April 05, 2006, 05:35:28 PM


So do you think we will see any MIACers transfer to the UofM.;D  There is plenty of PT available
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 07:03:17 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on April 05, 2006, 01:37:27 PM
I'm actually looking for softball stats, not basketball. I can't find a link with updated stats anywhere. Does one exist or aren't CSB stats compiled until after the season is over? I know you Bennies are still out there...

The MIAC site appears to have updated stats.

http://www.miac-online.org/softball.html
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on April 07, 2006, 02:32:02 PM
Thanks for the help, Pat, but the MIAC site also only updates with the top 8 position players for each school. My player doesn't appear to be on that list.

With every other school's site having very clear access to updated season stats, I'm surprised CSB doesn't seem to be the same way. Any Bennie posters out there that can help me out? Am I just missing it or is it really not offered?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2006, 03:14:00 PM
Depending on how much time you wanted to spend, you could go through each box score on the MIAC site, I guess.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on April 11, 2006, 01:09:08 PM
Willy- I don't think they're available.  Have you asked Denny Johnson?  His e-mail link is pretty obvious on the site...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on April 30, 2006, 01:26:51 AM
I heard that Champlin Park senior Mindy Schmidt is going to be a Bennie next year. If it's true that is good news for Blazer fans as she's a pretty good player who probably could have gone d-2.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on May 01, 2006, 08:52:58 AM
Vig named MIAC female student-athlete of the year by CSN

http://apps.carleton.edu/athletics/?sport=253&module=content&id=206562

A nice ending to a stellar career.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on May 02, 2006, 08:36:34 AM
Congratulations, Megan!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on May 02, 2006, 05:09:37 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on April 30, 2006, 01:26:51 AM
I heard that Champlin Park senior Mindy Schmidt is going to be a Bennie next year. If it's true that is good news for Blazer fans as she's a pretty good player who probably could have gone d-2.
This has been confirmed. Should be a nice addition. I know she's a big scorer, any other info on her?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on May 03, 2006, 08:29:42 AM
Durbin restocks the cupboard.  Blazer, as for Schmidt, I believe that she was the second leading scorer behind Natalie Gigler (13 ppg vs. 15 ppg) on a 7-20 team. 

"We're really excited to have her come in," said Durbin about Schmidt, who is Champlin Park's career assists leader and all-time leading scorer. "She fits in our system. She is just an all-around good person and player. We are thrilled."


Women's basketball: Champlin Park star headed to CSB
By Frank Rajkowski frajkowski@stcloudtimes.com


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ST. JOSEPH — Mindy Schmidt made about 20 college visits. But in the end, the Champlin Park star decided on the College of St. Benedict.

Schmidt, a 5-foot-8 point guard/wing from Champlin Park, plays in this weekend's Minnesota Girls Basketball Coaches Association all-star series.

The four-year starter, who finished her prep career as the leading scorer (1,381 points) in school history, is one of a group of players who have confirmed their intentions to enroll and play basketball for Blazers coach Mike Durbin next season.

Also heading to St. Benedict are 5-7 Apple Valley point guard Caitlin Ries, 6-1 Irondale post Natalie Alamat, 5-8 Mounds View wing Anne Kudak, 5-7 Holdingford point guard/wing Kendra Zapzalka, 5-9 Foley post Alyssa Kotsmith and 5-6 Big Lake point guard Jackie Beier.

In addition, St. Cloud Cathedral forward Ashlan Meyer said she will attend St. Benedict, but has not decided whether she will play basketball or dive for the Blazers swim team.

Schmidt was a three-time all-conference pick at Champlin Park and an all-state honorable mention pick this past season. She also finished her career as the school's all-time leader in assists with 454.

"There were a lot of things I liked," Schmidt said. "St. Ben's has a great reputation for academics and athletics, and when I talked to alumni and current students there, they all said they loved it. It wasn't just that they liked it, they all loved it.

"It's closer to home, which I also liked. I've watched a few of their games and it seems like they have a lot of talent. And everyone is so friendly there."

Ries, a two-time All-Lake Conference pick at Apple Valley, expressed similar sentiments.

"The school just seemed like a really good fit for me," Ries said. "I really liked it up there."

Alamat returned from a torn right anterior cruciate ligament and a cracked knee cap that kept her out her entire junior season to earn All-North Suburban Conference honors as a senior. She said she was initially skeptical about St. Benedict, but a visit to the campus won her over.

"When I first drove into St. Joseph, I was like 'Oh, my God. You've got to be kidding me,'" Alamat said. "I wasn't sure it was where I wanted to be at all. But I really liked the whole feel of the campus during my visit. I really ended up enjoying it there a lot."

Kudak, a three-time all-conference pick at Mounds View, said playing at the Division III level seemed to suit what she was looking for out of her collegiate experience.

"I like the approach there a lot," Kudak said. "It's competitive enough, but basketball isn't the only focus."

Zapzalka hopes to play both basketball and softball at St. Benedict. She was a four-year starter on the basketball court at Holdingford and earned All-Central Minnesota Conference and All-State and Times All-Area honorable mention honors this past season. In softball, she is a four-time all-conference pick and has made the Times All-Area team the past two seasons.

"I really liked the school and all the coaches there," Zapzalka said. "I've gone to camps there before and I've been to games. It just seemed like a great fit."

Kotsmith, a two-year starter at Foley, has a family connection. Her older brother, Nick, attends St. John's.

"It's close to home and my brother is at St. John's," Kotsmith said. "That helped a lot. The nursing program there is really good and that's what I'm looking at getting into."

Beier earned all-conference honors three times during her career at Big Lake. Like Zapzalka, she has also attended basketball camps at St. Benedict and enjoyed what she saw of the school.

"It's a great school academically and everyone there is really friendly too," Beier said.

The Blazers finished 21-6 overall last season and advanced to the first round of the NCAA Division III tournament.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on May 03, 2006, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: Nites on May 03, 2006, 08:29:42 AM
Durbin restocks the cupboard.  Blazer, as for Schmidt, I believe that she was the second leading scorer behind Natalie Gigler (13 ppg vs. 15 ppg) on a 7-20 team. 

Blazer -

Check that, I think those are 04-05 stats.  This year's squad was something like 23-4.  If you want to see something really odd, check out this link to the Minnesota State High School League:  http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/schoolactpage.asp?school=149&actnum=403

It shows Champlin Park's schedule, record and roster, but it doesn't list Schmidt on the roster or show her in any of the box scores if you check the game summaries.  The points scored by CP in the games are also greater than the sum totals of the points by the listed players.  All too baffling for my simple mind. . . .   ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on May 04, 2006, 04:52:14 PM
The message that's clear here is:  Don't trust the MSHSL site for JACK.  It's pretty much garbage.  If you're looking for hoops stats for HS games and teams, you're better off using the Star Tribune's website.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on May 20, 2006, 02:04:04 AM
I've got two $40 Lynx tickets (section 113, row G) for June 11 against the Houston Comets that I'm looking to give away. I'll be busy punching myself in the face (and either camping or watching the World Cup, but that's beside the point) and can't attend.

Surprisingly, none of my friends want to go so I'll end up using them as toilet paper unless someone speaks up. Shoot me a PM/email with an address if any poster/lurker wants to use them. I'll even cover the stamp, as long as I'm promised they won't be turned into a CSB recruiting tool :)

Never let it be said Gusties aren't good people :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: keith45 on May 25, 2006, 10:29:56 AM
Any word on the SMU job?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on May 31, 2006, 11:10:37 AM
http://sports.smumn.edu/w_basketball/2006/newsletter/wbbstimmel.html
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on June 01, 2006, 05:46:54 PM
You know anything about him, SS51?

The Lynx tickets have been spoken for and sent off, so people can quit bombarding me with requests  :P
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on June 01, 2006, 10:54:02 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on June 01, 2006, 05:46:54 PM
You know anything about him, SS51?

The Lynx tickets have been spoken for and sent off, so people can quit bombarding me with requests :P

Nope, I know just as much about him as the rest of you...

Sorry I'm not more help, just hoping for a rebuilding year for SMU and maybe making a climb the year after next. Who knows--he sounds engergetic...and should bring a fresh, new energy to SMU. Go Cardinals!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on June 10, 2006, 02:06:45 AM
These boards have been dead, but maybe this can heat things up a little bit.

GAC assistant and defensive guru Aaron Kahl has (re)joined the GAC men's program in the same capacity. Not sure who they can get to replace him, but that could be a pretty big blow to the program.

That said, the Gusties have put together one of their best recruiting classes in recent years - according to a little birdie anyway. Brianne Radtke, a PG from Lester Prairie, Katie Layman, a 6-2 post from Hudson, Wis, and Bayli Vandelanotte headline the class. If the post and PG pan out - and a suitable replacement can be found for Kahl, GAC should again challenge for the conference title.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on June 11, 2006, 02:39:52 PM
Willy is correct in that the Gusties will be searching for a new assistant coach...

He is also correct on the strong recruiting class...he didn't mention that Vandelanotte is 6'4"....Getting Radtke was huge! It was apparently down to GAC and Hamline and the Gusties got her. She could make an impact immediately.

As for others that Willy left out....Juila Schmidt, a guard from Marshall who was on the all-tournament team, Kirsten Tiesius (sp?) from United South Central who can shoot the ball and a shooting guard from Osceola whose former coach who is now assistant A.D. at Hopkins said is the best shooter he has ever coached.

This class at GAC might be as good as Carleton's recent recruiting class of Lincoln, Biewen, Kunelius and Oken-Berg.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on June 30, 2006, 05:42:21 PM
It seems there are going to be quite a few new assistants in the conference this year.  Concordia, St. Kates, St Marys, Gustavus, Bethel are all going to have new assistant coaches.  Any word on who might be getting or has gotten each of these jobs?  I've heard rumors about various people at some of the different spots.  Can any one offer some hard evidence?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on July 05, 2006, 12:55:18 PM
Rumormilling - Former GAC guard Angie Peterson, now Angie Potts, is being considered for the Gustie coaching vacancy.

Also, GAC soph-to-be Emily Nelson will be out until after Christmas with a knee injury. She was a probable starter, so that puts a damper on things to start the year.

Wonka will be wearing his Figo jersey at the office today.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on August 04, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
Anything happening around here?  Any news, rumors, hirings/firings, signings we should all be aware of?

This fan is just plain bored with the summer hoops drought, and the WNBA just isn't fixing that so far...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on August 07, 2006, 08:46:26 AM
I know St. Mary's hired their new assistant coach.  Someone who used to coach at Bethel.  Any word on who got the Gustavus job?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on August 07, 2006, 10:48:36 PM
The GAC decision isn't final, but it sounds like a former NDSU assistant and current HS coach from down south will have the first crack at things. Regardless, the position should be filled within a week or so.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gunk on August 09, 2006, 03:52:42 PM
Naomi Stohlman has been hired as Assistant Women's Basketball Coach by GAC.

Naomi is a graduate of Concordia Academy HS and graduated from Concordia College, St Paul in 1997. She obtained her Masters Degree at Arizona State University.

Basketball background includes serving as an assistant basketball coach at Arizona State University and at North Dakota State University. Most recently she served as Head Women's Basketball Coach at Dobson HS, Phoenix, AZ.

Naomi was selected as the top candidate from over 35 applicants! Welcome home to the Twin Cities Naomi.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on August 09, 2006, 08:04:59 PM
gunk - Very knowledge about all the good stuff...except GAC's location, apparently :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gunk on August 10, 2006, 02:11:18 PM
Williy Wonka - Naomi's "roots" are in the Twin Cities area. In addition to having gone to school at St Paul Academy, that is where she later began her coaching career as the JV Coach and Varsity Assistan Coach. Her first full time teaching position was at Minnetonka. Naomi taught middle school Physical Education and Health and coached at the high school for both basketball & softball. She worked with on-court skill development and was a part of Minnetonka history as the varsity earned their first trip to the Class AAAA State Girl's Basketball Tournament. After two years in Fargo at NDSU, she returned to coaching high school basketball at her neighborhood high school, North High.

When I said "welcome home", I was refering to the area where she grew up and not to St Peter. One normally "comes home" to something familiar and from the past, not something in the future. However, you are the pro writer and expert with words, so I apologize if I misled you with my choice of words.  Your grammar in your sentence puzzled me but I got the message.

Welcome Home and welcome to GAC and St Peter Naomi!

Now that you have only one sister to watch, I hope to see you at more GAC games.
I did see her play at the "Y" last night and she looks stronger and more motivated than ever. Apparently, her injury and the subsequent recovery did not slow her down at all. In her role on the team, I believe she is one of the top three players. She's a banger, a rebounder, an assister, a defender and now with new patience, an even more affective shooter.

I guess we'll just have to pick on one another until someone else posts something.
It's all in good fun tho. Looking forward to an exciting year for the team.

GO GUSTIES!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on August 10, 2006, 02:28:46 PM
I also have been catching a good chunk of action at the "Y" this summer as well.  Definitely was good to see WW's lil' sis back in action and looking as strong as ever.  I'm not going to come out with my picks just yet but I can say things are definitely looking up in St. Peter and some exciting times lay just ahead.................

Also, a big congrats to Carleton alum and former player/asst. coach Abby Kalland for getting the gig over at the U of M.  Nice job, Abby!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on August 24, 2006, 09:28:00 PM

New Cobber asst. is Rachel Bergeson (Burgau), a 2005 Concordia grad. With her energy and enthusiasmshe should be a good fit.

Also, it looks like the Cobbs are making a habit of taking a trip to start their season with a tip-off tournament, 2004: Spokane, Wash  2005: Redlands, Cali  2006: Piedmont Georgia

http://www.cord.edu/dept/sports/winter/wbb/0607schedule.php (http://www.cord.edu/dept/sports/winter/wbb/0607schedule.php)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on August 25, 2006, 01:28:15 AM
M&G - Was there any effort to "recruit" Mandy back up north? Not that jumping ship looks great on a resume, but that'd seem like a more natural immediate fit than Hambone.

LA - Please quit writing letters to the big MN papers about the Rams. You realize no one cares they moved but you, right?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on August 25, 2006, 01:02:20 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on August 25, 2006, 01:28:15 AM
M&G - Was there any effort to "recruit" Mandy back up north? Not that jumping ship looks great on a resume, but that'd seem like a more natural immediate fit than Hambone.


Not that I am aware of, but I don't know.  Having talked to her a couple weeks ago she seems to be enjoying Hamline. Definitely has a bright future ahead of her though, wherever that may be.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on August 26, 2006, 08:09:16 AM
Willy,

There are TONS of us LOS ANGELES Ramfans out there who DO care........

Anybody out there bold enough to make any picks yet?  I have a pretty good idea of where I stand but want to wait a bit before I make it public.  I think it's safe to say there are about 3 or 4 teams who stand out above everyone else and perhaps one surprise team out there.  OK, ok.  Mac comes in dead last.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on August 28, 2006, 05:11:04 PM
Schools back, any news, any no shows? The Blazers are in shape and ready to defend our title!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BVHawk on October 11, 2006, 08:10:48 PM
Good luck to the Blazers again this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on October 17, 2006, 02:20:42 AM
Well now that the season has officially started...I guess it's time for some pre-season predictions...

1. Concordia - Their roster is not overly impressive, but they get it done
2. Gustavus - With Monahan and Vadnais back the Gusties should be very good
3. St. Benedict - Who will replace Heikenen as the go-to player? Kempe?
4. Carleton - Vig is finally gone, but a talented sophomore class got a lot of experience last year.
5. St. Thomas - I like Ruth Sinn, I think she has them in the right direction
6. Bethel - They have some nice players, but they can't play defense
7. Hamline - The loss of Korchick and Ewert will knock them out of the top 6
8. St. Kate's - New coach...same mediocrity
9. St. Olaf - I always think they are going to be better, not fooling me this year.
10. Augsburg - Hard place to recruit to, they worked hard last year but that doesn't equate to W's in this league
11. St. Mary's - Their roster is a bunch of unknown's to me
12. Macalester - Was there any doubt?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on October 17, 2006, 03:11:40 PM
It's great to be back.  Here's how I see the conference shaping up:

1. Concordia
2. Gustavus
3. Carleton
4. CSB
5. UST
6. Bethel
7. St. Olaf
8. St. Kate's
9. Hamline
10. Augsburg
11. St. Mary
12. Macalester

I think it really is a toss up between Concordia and Gustavus.  Both teams have a great post/gurad combo, but I think Concordia proved a lot last year...they will only be better this year.  CSB will have a good starting 5, but I think they will lack depth.  I heard UST has some nice incoming players.  Carleton has a great sophomore class.  Bethel needs guard play. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on October 18, 2006, 02:31:50 PM
Good to see the cobwebs dusted off this board before I head to South Bend to watch my big bad Bruins battle the Crying Irish.  Here's how I see
the conference race shaping up:


  GAC - If they're ever going to win this thing outright this is the year they've got to do it.  And they finally have the all the pieces in place to do it.

2.  Concordia - Should be right up there challenging strong for the title.  I expected a fall off last year in the AM (after Mandy) era.  Instead, they battled as a team and won the whole ball of wax.

3.  CSB - Some big shoes to fill here; notably with AH no longer in the picture.  Still, you have to figure that this team will somehow stay in the hunt.

4.  Carleton - Now that the Megan Vig era is over it will be interesting to see who steps up in terms of leadership.  The Knights should be a factor in this thing but they are young and they can't afford another January stumble.

5.  UST - This is an up and coming team again and if they can avoid the late-season flame-out like they had last year they can make some noise.

6.  St. Olaf - Arguably the hottest team coming down the stretch last year and they've got some size to do some damage.

7.  Bethel - They've got size as well but they can't win the big one.

8.  (tie) St. Kate's - If only Jenna Martin were back they'd have a realistic shot at making the MIAC playoffs.  Still a dangerous team, though, with Erin Petrich and Trisha Johnson.

8. (tie) - Hamline - Losing Korchick and Ewert really hurts although I liked what I saw from this team during the summer league. 

9.  Augsburg - Seems like they fall into this position every year.

10.  SMU - New coach and new system; will take some time to develop.

11.  Mac - (sigh)....'nuff said?       
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BVHawk on October 19, 2006, 01:15:10 PM
I'm impressed with the amount of activity on this board.  I might have to chime in from time to time since I usually have to answer my own comments on the IIAC board... ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on October 19, 2006, 03:06:11 PM
I said it last year and it killed me, but I'll repeat it again since everyone has apparently forgotten: in my opinion, CSB could be BETTER this year than it was a year ago. Same goes for Concordia. They should be the favorites, and that's coming from a devoted GAC backer.

The Gusties could be starting two freshman this season, with one the PG battle a big one. No matter how good Monahan and Vadnais are, the learning curve could prove steep the start the season. By the end, with a near-full strength Nelson back, you could all be right. For now, that's expecting a lot.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on October 20, 2006, 06:59:21 PM
Not that it means anything, but here's my guess for the season.  I'll fully admit that I know less about all the teams than I used to, since I don't see as many games as in past years.

1.  Cobs - tough post play and clutch shooting make for a dangerous team
2.  GAC - Monahan, no more need be said
3.  CSB - depth could be an issue, but Tauer could take a big step forward
4 (tie) UST and Carleton - solid sophs and recruiting class potential
6.  Olaf - mostly because I don't like Bethel's elbows
7.  Bethel - not enough scoring to make top 6
8.  St. Kate's - not enough overall talent for top 6
9.  Ugsberg - certainly play hard, but need some good recruit classes soon
10.  Hamline - ...unless Angel gets a 9th year of eligibility and Mandy suits up
1111. Macalester - hope they have 10 players available...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on October 23, 2006, 10:36:14 AM
CM- You must think SMU is really bad since you didn't even include them in your rankings.  Ouch.  I think Macalaster will be better than they ever have been, but I don't think they are going to make a major jump up.  I think that a lot of teams are going to be really good, but as is the case every year, a few teams will struggle to turn the corner.  We'll also see how good a few coaches really are now that their studs have graduated.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on October 27, 2006, 12:06:55 PM
ECMF- I was actually hoping SMU would drop out of the conference, so that Mac wouldn't feel like they were the only program worth mocking openly for cowardice.  ;D

Leaving them out was actually a typo on my part.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on October 31, 2006, 12:22:04 PM
Why do you think SMU should be dropped from the league?  Not even two years ago they were one of the top teams in the league.  Granted that great senior class is gone, but I think they are going to get turned around in the next year or two, based on what I've heard about the coaches that they brought in.  I even think MAC will be a respectable program in a few years with the coach they have now.  She has experienced success at UST, and she seems to be recruiting in all the right places right now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 02, 2006, 03:19:57 PM
Good lord, read a bit more carefully, please.   ::)

I wasn't saying I think SMU should be dropped, only that it would be funny if they did.  That way, as I said, MAC wouldn't feel lonely about being the one constant target of all members of the posting community.

New topic for all:  Any surprises on MIAC rosters this winter?  Anybody actually seen his/her favorite squad practice?  Any "big" recruits not make the cut?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 02, 2006, 05:01:13 PM
Was glad to see that Tasha Mrosak of Bloomington Kennedy is on the roster at St. Olaf.  I thought GAC would have had their roster up by now but haven't seen it yet.

Can't wait for the season to get started.  My UCLA Bruins have tanked after that heart-breaking loss to Notre Dame that I witnessed a couple of weekends ago :'(  Wouldn't surprise me if Guererro axes KD if we lose to USC again.  :-\ 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 02, 2006, 08:42:04 PM
I saw GAC in one of its first practices. Intensity needs a major pick-me-up, but the Gusties have added some solid size - height and weight, which is new - that should prove useful. The 6-4 freshman won't see much/any time this season, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a freshie PG and SF on the court for the season's opening tip and a freshman post as one of the top girls off the bench. Good for the future of the program, but perhaps not so good for the start of the 2006-07 season.

Not much word on the new assistant yet. I'm sure that will play out as the season starts, with us (RE: me) either singing her praises or offering, um, constructive criticism :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on November 03, 2006, 09:53:12 AM
Haven't seen the Cobbs practice yet, but from what I hear things look pretty good.  A couple freshmen appear ready to deepen an already deep team at the guard spots.  The biggest spot of concern will obviously be a lack of size inside.  Hageman is very talented, but they need to be able to find ladies who can take some defensive slack off of her so that she is not saddled with foul troubles.  The backcourt should be ready to roll. I would expect the PG spot to be better this year (it improved as the year went by last year) as there is now some experience to build off.  Keeley should be a big threat from distance again, and hopefully also be able to put the ball on the wood and get to the hoop.  Overall, I am very excited about this squad.

One more thing; afte the year that this team had last year, and the fact that they lose only one player off their squad,  they get no love from the D3Hoops poll, not even a vote?? What's up with that?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 03, 2006, 12:32:40 PM
M and G, I hear you on the lack of respect for Concordia.  I was on record in an earlier post that I see Concordia as the MIAC favorite.  However, the early D3Hoops poll often just includes the teams which have always been there in the past.  I love my Blazers, but there is no way I think they should be ranked #19 when Concordia and GAC are not even in "others receiving votes."  There will be a lot of changes as the year goes along. 

The Blazers have a very tough opener this year in Boston as they take on NCAA Tourney participant Wesleyan.  If they beat them they will likely match up with another NCAA tourney team from last year in Emmanuel (the tourney host).  It's a great test for CSB and if they pull of the victories, it could be important come selection time if the Blazers need the boost with strength of schedule. 

CSB will scrimmage Southwest Minnesota State this Saturday.  I will be out of town so anyone who attends please let us know how it goes.  Any other scrimmages out there?   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on November 04, 2006, 12:23:25 PM
It's good to see MIAC teams getting out on the road in preseason and test themselvs against other competition. With success, this will raise the awareness and respect of the MIAC.

Keep it up coaches!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 06, 2006, 08:25:56 PM
From the MIAC website. 

MIAC Women's Basketball
Five teams received first place votes in the women's basketball poll but Concordia finished first. The Cobbers topped 2005-06 MIAC champion Saint Benedict, along with Carleton, Gustavus, and St. Thomas close behind. Non-conference women's basketball games begin on Friday, November 17 and MIAC conference games start on Wednesday, November 29.
1. Concordia (3)
2. Saint Benedict (4)
3. Carleton (2)
4. Gustavus (2)
5. St. Thomas (1)
6. Bethel
7. (tie) Hamline
7. (tie) St. Olaf
9. St. Catherine
10. Saint Mary's
11. Augsburg
12. Macalester
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on November 07, 2006, 12:10:52 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on November 03, 2006, 09:53:12 AM
Haven't seen the Cobbs practice yet, but from what I hear things look pretty good.  A couple freshmen appear ready to deepen an already deep team at the guard spots.  The biggest spot of concern will obviously be a lack of size inside.  Hageman is very talented, but they need to be able to find ladies who can take some defensive slack off of her so that she is not saddled with foul troubles.  The backcourt should be ready to roll. I would expect the PG spot to be better this year (it improved as the year went by last year) as there is now some experience to build off.  Keeley should be a big threat from distance again, and hopefully also be able to put the ball on the wood and get to the hoop.  Overall, I am very excited about this squad.

One more thing; afte the year that this team had last year, and the fact that they lose only one player off their squad,  they get no love from the D3Hoops poll, not even a vote?? What's up with that?


I agree here with M&G.  The guards will have a lot of talent and depth.  Hageman will be the best post and I think Sarah Krabbenhoff, senior from Souix Falls will play at the 4 spot.  It should be a competitive year in the MIAC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on November 07, 2006, 03:44:53 PM
Well, if I'm going to post my comments now and then, I should stick my neck out and give my predictions.

Here goes:

1   Gustavus – Returning Monahan and Vadnais plus one of the  greatest  recruiting years. The Gusties have five veterans who make up a strong starting team. I agree with Willy-Wonka, however , with the talent of the freshman someone could break into the starting five.

2   St Benedict – Who will replace Heikenen? Although she has only one year under her belt, Ariel Tauer could step it up another notch. Teamwork is a strong plus for this group.

3   Concordia – Had their fifteen minutes of fame. Poof !   This year could be the proof.

4   Carlton – Vig's gone. No superstars, but the team has good athletes and the coach always seems to bring out the best in the players.

This top four are very close and could win or lose on the play of a freshman here or there or with the tremendous growth of some players between their sophomore and junior years. These are the big ticket no miss match ups.

5    Bethel – Big inside – Who plays PG – Will anybody play defense?

6    St Thomas – Opdahl gone – Eight losses in the last nine games last year. Can the coach resurrect   this team?

7    St Olaf – Always a high level of adequacy. Can they raise the bar?

8    Hamline – Couldn't get it done with Ewert and Korchik. Does the freshman class bring hope?

9    Augsburg – Very young and very short. 

10  Saint Marys – New coach – Always tough first year with lots of adjustments.

11  St Catherine – No Jenna, new coach – Ditto.

12  Macalester – In a world of their own.

So there it is. It's possible that some of us will change our predictions after we see some scrimmages and non-conference games. After all, we really don't know what's going on in all those practices. Hopefully, there will be some real surprises and all the teams will reach higher levels and the MIAC will gain more national recognition.

You want a real scare – I voted today!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on November 07, 2006, 04:52:53 PM
Loyalties abound for the top four! Could be anyone of them. Perhaps it will be the supporting casts and not the starters that make the difference.

Where are the 4-8 loyalists??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 10, 2006, 12:32:02 AM
Once again Bri Monahan gets no love from the d3hoops.com awards panel...Monahan was left off the post-season awards last year and now left off the pre-season awards this year...some how Darby Noreen gets named honorable mention...she's a nice player, but not one of the top ten guards in nation. She might not even be a top five guard in the conference. I'd definitely take Vadnais and Petrich ahead of her for sure. In fact I'd take Kempe over her.

The Blazers get ranked in the pre-season top 25 as well, and I think they are the 3rd best team in the confernece at best.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 13, 2006, 04:11:21 PM
Heard a rumor that Darby Noreen is not eligible for the first semester due to grades.  Can any one say they heard right or not there?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 13, 2006, 04:27:16 PM
eastcoast - I spent the weekend among Johnnies. Surprisingly, none of them wanted to talk women's basketball. Especially after Bethel beat them. I doubt the Blazer posters will confirm that if it's true, so we'll have to await this weekend's box scores.

******************************************

18.0 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 1.76 ASP, 48% shooting and 38% from deep.

Earned D3hoops All-American Second Team and Preseason All-American accolades (Vig).

19.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 1 ASP, 52% shooting and 40% from deep. More steals and blocks.

Earned zero post-season awards and no mention on preseason teams (Monahan)

******************************************

To quote that ever witty commercial...I'm not saying. I'm just saying.

I don't agree with gacbacker on the rankings though. CSB deserves to be there and should be the co-favorite with the Cobbers to start the year. I'm more than a little wary of the coaching change at GAC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: realistic on November 13, 2006, 04:55:59 PM
there was something in the sctimes about that going to an NCAA Appeal....I haven't heard anything since, but was wondering after I saw her amonst the D3hoops preseason AA's.

I think I am actually going to be at the Wesleyan game this weekend.  I will post some thoughts Monday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on November 14, 2006, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on November 13, 2006, 04:11:21 PM
Heard a rumor that Darby Noreen is not eligible for the first semester due to grades.  Can any one say they heard right or not there?

I have heard the same thing, but I can't say that I fan confirm it or not.  Definitely a blow to the Blazers if it is true, but I guess we better wait until we know for sure


Cobbers leaving Thursday morning for a tourney in Virginia, don't know much about the teams they will see, but it would be nice to start the season off with 2 wins and a tourney championship
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 14, 2006, 08:08:53 PM
Good luck to all in the pre-season tourneys, hopefully MIAC squads can start the season with solid records.  Nothing worse than having contenders shut out of the NCAAs in the spring because of a few cheap losses in our short non-conference schedules.

As a Blazer fan, all I can say on the Noreen situation is, I REALLY hope she's on the team and I wish I knew more.   ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on November 14, 2006, 09:33:47 PM
Noreen is on the roster for CSB.  Does that mean she can play?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 15, 2006, 05:19:03 PM
Darby is on the team, expect her to play soon. ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 16, 2006, 02:09:21 AM
"soon"? Boy, that couldn't have been more vague.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: d3bballfollower on November 16, 2006, 03:30:18 PM
if noreen doesn't play that would put a lot on ariel tauer's shoulders...good or bad for the youngster and can she handle it?  what does everyone think?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 16, 2006, 04:53:36 PM
CSB always seems to have the deepest team in the league so if any team can overcome the loss of a key player, CSB can.  Of course, they also have to try to replace Anna.  I don't think they will be able to do that with one player.  Ariel will get her chance to step up, even more so if, as rumor has it, Darby is out for any extended period.

The St. Cloud Times had a nice piece on Ariel:

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061107/SPORTS/111070002/1002 (http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061107/SPORTS/111070002/1002)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on November 18, 2006, 09:25:32 AM
Cobbs win opener 70-47 over something called Southern Virginia.  Keeley has 18 (5-6 from 3) and Hageman goes for 15 and 8.  They now play Notre Dame of Ohio (NAIA) this afternoon for the tourney championship.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 19, 2006, 11:47:35 AM
A mixed bag of results so far for the conference teams...Concordia is out to a 2-0 start to no surprise. The Blazers drop their opener by three with no Darby Noreen in the lineup...two bench players led them in scoring as the five starters had awful nights shooting the ball it appears.

St. Thomas struggles a little bit just to go 1-1...and Olaf is 0-2 which shouldn't surprise anyone.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 19, 2006, 03:56:27 PM
Just saw a funny thing on the St. Ben's website in their schedule section.

Nov. 18  Wesleyan University
Nov. 19  Championship Game

Ooops! Looks like someone counted their chickens before they hatched.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 19, 2006, 08:37:17 PM
Blazers go down again today, 51-44 in overtime to fall to 0-2 on the season. I haven't seen a box score yet, but what a disappointing opening weekend for the Blazers. No at large NCAA berth for them this year I guess.

Willy do you still think the Blazers should be co-favorites with Concordia?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 19, 2006, 09:43:07 PM
That depends on the date of All-World Noreen's return, I suppose. Besides, I'd hate to open my mouth and have the Gusties stumble themselves on Tuesday...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on November 19, 2006, 11:42:12 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on November 18, 2006, 09:25:32 AM
Cobbs win opener 70-47 over something called Southern Virginia.  Keeley has 18 (5-6 from 3) and Hageman goes for 15 and 8.  They now play Notre Dame of Ohio (NAIA) this afternoon for the tourney championship.


Cobbers beat nationally ranked Norte Dame College 77-63.  Hageman and Keeley score 24 pts a piece.  Keeley named to all tourney team and Hageman is named tourney MVP.  Cobbs are 2-0 to start the year and looks good so far.  Should be a good first conference matchup as the cobbs take on CSB on Nov. 29.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on November 20, 2006, 12:50:09 AM
Back for another exciting MIAC season, should be fun! Caught the Cobbers in VA this weekend, impressive first win, but not much of a test. The second win looked much like a MIAC conference game, physical and close until the end. Hagmeman and Keely looked in mid-season form. Some young talent showed early promise.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 20, 2006, 12:25:39 PM
I made the trip to Boston to get some R and R and check out the Blazers.  Darby was eligible to play, but she had not practiced in the pre-season so Durbin held her out of the lineup.  I believe she will make her debut against Crown College on Tuesday. 

Tauer struggled a bit in her first game, but she was one of the lone bright spots versus Salve Regina with 11 points and 18 rebounds in a losing effort.  Props to O'Neil and Falvey for their performances in game one. 

After what I saw in the first two games I just hope St. Ben's can hang in and make the MIAC playoffs this year.  Maybe they can improve over the course of the season, find their shooting touch and make a run at the end.  The defense was very solid, but it didn't transfer into enough scoring. 

Somebody on this team needs to step up and risk being the goat with the chance of being a hero.  Until that happens the Blazers will be searching for an identitiy.

I remember thinking Concordia wouldn't be any good last year after losing by 30 at CSB, so perhaps my eyes deceive me.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 20, 2006, 04:33:50 PM
Very suprised by the Tommies and Blazers struggles.  Not surprised by Concordia at all, and not a lot suprised with STO.  Looks like SMU might be better than everyone thinks, but they will need to learn how to score to win.  Big games coming up this Tuesday.  We'll see how they go.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: unBiased Blazer on November 21, 2006, 09:07:34 AM
Looking forward to some good MIAC bball. Tonight I will turn off the sound on the Gopher game and listen to the stellar call of the Blazers. 
From those who were at Boston this weekend with the Blazers sounds like they were looking for someone to take charge on O.  They certainly have plenty of options and with a long season ahead I am still confident.  I suspect tonight they will crack the magical 70 total so I can head to the fridge for some Rocky Road.
Hate to say..........but first live MIAC action  for me may involve the Tommies this weekend.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 21, 2006, 10:02:17 AM
Welcome unBiased!  It's good to know that somebody has taken on the name that all of us embody here on the board.  (pause for booing, jeers, and sarcastic comments from the peanut gallery...)

This neutral fan is looking forward to the first home game of the new season, and hoping for a Darby Noreen sighting on court to help solve the scoring woes of the weekend.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: realistic on November 21, 2006, 12:00:20 PM
Quote from: scorekeeper on November 20, 2006, 12:25:39 PM
I made the trip to Boston to get some R and R and check out the Blazers.  Darby was eligible to play, but she had not practiced in the pre-season so Durbin held her out of the lineup.  I believe she will make her debut against Crown College on Tuesday. 

Tauer struggled a bit in her first game, but she was one of the lone bright spots versus Salve Regina with 11 points and 18 rebounds in a losing effort.  Props to O'Neil and Falvey for their performances in game one. 

After what I saw in the first two games I just hope St. Ben's can hang in and make the MIAC playoffs this year.  Maybe they can improve over the course of the season, find their shooting touch and make a run at the end.  The defense was very solid, but it didn't transfer into enough scoring. 

Somebody on this team needs to step up and risk being the goat with the chance of being a hero.  Until that happens the Blazers will be searching for an identitiy.

I remember thinking Concordia wouldn't be any good last year after losing by 30 at CSB, so perhaps my eyes deceive me.   

I didn't see Sundays game but I thought the Blazers were hot and cold saturday but played well for the first time out....especially against a quality oppoent.  Agreed that Falvey and O'Neil were bright spots.  Too bad to start the season 0-2 but I really thought the Blazers had a shot down the stretch there in game 1.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BVHawk on November 21, 2006, 02:22:08 PM
What can BV expect out of St. Olaf tonight?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BVHawk on November 21, 2006, 02:26:26 PM
BV lost it's opener vs Wittenberg 88-71 and then came back to thump Kalamazoo 83-52 at the Midway Classic out in Chicago.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 21, 2006, 02:56:31 PM
Concordia put on a good show in VA last weekend.  Class bunch.  Even brought a few fans to southeastern Va.  Best of luck this year
Hageman and Keeley were on fire all weekend.   20 lead changes in the final..made for a heck of a 35 minute game...the last five was all cobber nation
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 21, 2006, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: unBiased Blazer on November 21, 2006, 09:07:34 AM
Looking forward to some good MIAC bball. Tonight I will turn off the sound on the Gopher game and listen to the stellar call of the Blazers. 
From those who were at Boston this weekend with the Blazers sounds like they were looking for someone to take charge on O.  They certainly have plenty of options and with a long season ahead I am still confident.  I suspect tonight they will crack the magical 70 total so I can head to the fridge for some Rocky Road.
Hate to say..........but first live MIAC action  for me may involve the Tommies this weekend.

Welcome to another unbiased blazer fan! Hopefully we can take care of the dreaded team from Crown College tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 22, 2006, 01:13:36 AM
Gustavus 60 Wartburg 45

The Gusties showed some rust in the first half, but ironed things out to win comfortably in the second half. Wartburg really focused on taking Monahan away and so Vadnais went off for 21 points. Monahan took just six shots and finished with 9 points.

Solid contributions from three freshman for the Gusties - two of them were in the starting line-up. The defense looked the same to the tune of 27 forced turnovers.

Hopefully they can keep it up to get two wins in Colorado.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 22, 2006, 03:08:01 AM
Ugh. Just lost a long post and I'm not going to retype it out at 2am.

Suffice it to say I don't exactly agree with gacbacker, though I like where his heart is. The game was ugly to the tune of GAC scoring 11 points through 16 minutes. Had Vadnais not have gotten hot, scoring like 15 straight in the second half, the outcome could easily have been an embarrassing home loss.

The defense, which I was worried about, wasn't a problem. It forced 36% shooting and 27 turnovers against a very, very bad Wartburg team. The offense looked borderline brutal, with Monahan struggling to get touches and everyone's shooting touch being, roughly, a foot off. Hopefully things get corrected for the trip to Colorado this weekend.

The CSB assistant coach had to have been smiling her whole drive back up HWY 15.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 22, 2006, 09:54:01 AM
Sounds like the MIAC is having a fit of early-season-itis.  Although the 71-32 final score over a HORRENDOUS Crown College team last night looked decent, that included a 29-16 halftime score.

I agree with Scorekeeper that CSB needs a leader to step forward on offense.  The Blazers have created over 80 turnovers in their first three games, but the fans in St. Joseph aren't used to watching defensively minded teams.

Once the Blazers started scoring in transition more often (against a team with only 2 subs, with player #8 turning an ankle), the shooting percentage rose to respectable levels.

The Cobs-Blazers battle next Wednesday could be interesting!  We'll see which team can set an early tone and I'm hoping it's CSB.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 22, 2006, 12:24:13 PM
Willy's take is pretty accurate, however I wouldn't say it was the offense that was brutal, it was the shooting that was brutal. The offense created shots, the girls just weren't hitting them.

You also have to keep in mind that the Gusties didn't run a single set play last night...they ran motion the entire game which somewhat explains why Monahan had so few touches.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 22, 2006, 07:02:24 PM
I thought the Blazers looked like a team trying to find its identity. Without Anna as a go to scorer and Darby working her way back into shape, the play was very ragged.  They looked much better in the second half and actually started hitting a few outside shots but then the game got out of hand and the 3rd string saw most of the action in the  latter part of the game. I look for this years team to do more running and gunning than most blazer teams in the past. It should be interesting.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on November 23, 2006, 09:27:48 AM
Hey SC, tain't too far from you as I'm in New York where my wee one just began coaching at a D1 school. Gonna take in her game tomorrow. Glad to see my Knights got off on a "W" last night. Will it be the Tammy and Mike show again??

I'm still die hard Carletonian but now have allegiance to NYU as well. The asst. is an important "fellow" in the family so what ya gonna do. Might be able to keep tabs and see a game or two from this pretty powerful D3 conference/association. ANYWAY-glad hoops are here, would take my little town over the vertical bulding any old day, and Happy Thanksgiving....

RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: unBiased Blazer on November 24, 2006, 06:31:21 PM
Anybody have info on Bethel game at UMM?  I am surprised Bethel lost.  Two of most physical teams I saw last year, to put it mildly.
UMM must be improved.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on November 25, 2006, 11:57:49 AM
unBiased:

Like me with the Cobbers (unBiased)  ;)

UMM 83, Bethel 66
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 25, 2006, 11:48:30 PM
Gusties finish up a very successful weekend in Colorado Springs to move to 3-0 on the season. Vadnais and Monahan dominated the tournament. Today in the championship game against Colorado College, Monahan had 27 points on 11-15 FG, Vadnais had 26 points on 6-13 from long range.

Gusties have a very easy schedule this week as they open with Macalester and Augsburg. So if everything goes as plans they will be 5-0 before road games at Bethel and St. Ben's.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on November 26, 2006, 10:03:41 AM
Good to hear the Gac-sters bringing some W's for the MIAC preseason. Saw that Wash U. dropped it's 3rd game-awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!! My Filzen's Fabulous Females picked up 3 W's out west. The Chapman game sounded like a great one. Sounds like youth is being used well, too.

Had the privilege of visiting NYU's facilities yesterday. Hmmmm--probably not your norm. Talked to the coaches briefly and found out that they, too, like to talk hoops!!!!!:) It was fun and the head coach is a wonderful person as most of the coaches on the female side are....

Quite impressive place but not for this small town boy. There's more people waiting to cross any intersection on campus than we have in our whole metropolis way down here in the hills........

Happy hoops to all and when driving, please do so with care.

RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: unBiased Blazer on November 26, 2006, 10:17:11 AM
Quote from: Korn Lover on November 25, 2006, 11:57:49 AM
unBiased:

Like me with the Cobbers (unBiased)  ;)

UMM 83, Bethel 66
;) ;)Korn; unBiased doesn't mean I won't be cheering for the Blazers.  It does mean I am looking forward to seeing the 06 edition of the Cobbers, among other things.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 26, 2006, 08:34:43 PM
While gacbacker hit on the main points, I've a few to add.

The tournament was pretty weak sauce. Besides the PG from Colorado College, there wasn't another player who'd get time at any of the top 4 or so MIAC schools. Watching the two teams play in the Friendship Bowl could have doubled as Chinese torture. So, while GAC looked very strong (neither game got to single digits in the second half), it's hard to say exactly how much it improved from Tuesday and how much was due to the competition.

The freshmen all looked much more comfortable, particularly PG Radtke and C Layman. Both will be major contributors the next four years and it wouldn't surprise me to see them both on the all-conference list after next season. Monahan got into the flow as the tourney rolled along and really got it going in the 2nd half against CC. Vadnais was simply the best player on the court all weekend.

As for other awards...

Most Valuable Shopper
Ashley Raymo, and it wasn't even close. Up before dawn on Black Friday and out every day, she prolly needed a new suitcase for all her purchases.

Most Prolific Swimmer
Molly Monahan, who -- contrary to what the Bennies might tell you -- has NOT verbally committed to CSB  ::)

Most Energetic Fan
Mr. Monahan and Mr. Vadnais (tie). Dancing during timeouts one minute, leaning over the glass barricade to yell at the refs the next. You never knew what you were gonna get, but you knew it was going to be good.

That said, the reffing was worse than I've seen in the MIAC. It wasn't slanted any one way, but when the fan bases of four different schools are ready to storm the court in anger it's not a good sign. The Austin (Texas) fans received top prize for biggest whiners, however.

Also, how can you hold a tournament without selling popcorn? Is that even legal? I suppose it should be expected when the local paper doesn't even get a blurb in about the game/tournament and the gym is so dark you can barely see. At least they had a couch for me courtside.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on November 27, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
unBiased:

I'd expect nothing less than die hard loyalty!

We'll both a look at each others' favorites on Wednesday night.

Good luck :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 28, 2006, 12:45:47 PM
Since my jokes went unremarked, I'll try some actual basketball commentary.

What's up with St. Thomas? 40 turnovers in the season opener and lost by just 2? 33 turnovers with 3 assists in the most recent loss? How is this even possible? Are they spending hours practicing the head-down, hard-dribble to the right corner every day? Maybe some thought should be put into working on entry/bounce/skip passes.

On a more subtle level, I heard a rumor that may need verification: the Tommie posts are employing the always fun pinch-the-back-of-the-arm defense down on the blocks. The River Falls team left the game with multiple welts on said arms. Something that should be watched as the season moves ahead, along with Bethel's crazy elbows.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on November 28, 2006, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on November 28, 2006, 12:45:47 PM
Since my jokes went unremarked, I'll try some actual basketball commentary.

What's up with St. Thomas? 40 turnovers in the season opener and lost by just 2? 33 turnovers with 3 assists in the most recent loss? How is this even possible? Are they spending hours practicing the head-down, hard-dribble to the right corner every day? Maybe some thought should be put into working on entry/bounce/skip passes.

On a more subtle level, I heard a rumor that may need verification: the Tommie posts are employing the always fun pinch-the-back-of-the-arm defense down on the blocks. The River Falls team left the game with multiple welts on said arms. Something that should be watched as the season moves ahead, along with Bethel's crazy elbows.

73 TO's in 2 losses is aboslutely crazy!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on November 28, 2006, 04:37:27 PM
Willy;

Recommend caution regarding elbows comments, I ran afoul of Naf layor last year on this. Or was it my over-the-top approach to being a fan?  ;)

Fans will be keeping eyes on the Tommies...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: unBiased Blazer on November 28, 2006, 06:54:36 PM
Looking forward to making the trip up to St. Joe to see the first real clash of the season.
I am looking for a close game and for the Blazer experience to pull it out. 

I had a beer with a friend yesterday (My eligibility is gone)who has been a gopher men's season ticket holder since '71.  No anticipation there!  The only thing to talk about is when will Monson be done. :-[
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on November 28, 2006, 08:20:03 PM
Quote from: unBiased Blazer on November 28, 2006, 06:54:36 PM
Looking forward to making the trip up to St. Joe to see the first real clash of the season.
I am looking for a close game and for the Blazer experience to pull it out. 

I had a beer with a friend yesterday (My eligibility is gone)who has been a gopher men's season ticket holder since '71.  No anticipation there!  The only thing to talk about is when will Monson be done. :-[

I agree that the Cobb/Blazer game will be a good, close game!  But I am sure the Cobbs will pull it out with tough defense and a balanced offensive attack.  Mostly led by Keeley and Hageman.

My prediction:

CC   65
STB  59
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on November 28, 2006, 09:21:59 PM
unBiased;

For the Gophers to go 0-4 in that tournament was a tragedy. Did anyone else note how slow the Gopher guards looked in the half court offense? Seemed like the opponent was already in the spot before the Gopher guard got there.

Anyway, good luck to all tomorrow!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 29, 2006, 12:36:03 PM
Quote from: Korn Lover on November 28, 2006, 04:37:27 PM
Willy;

Recommend caution regarding elbows comments, I ran afoul of Naf layor last year on this. Or was it my over-the-top approach to being a fan?  ;)

Fans will be keeping eyes on the Tommies...

Please. Ask cobbernation, a football poster, how much Wonka fears ruffling feathers. Speaking of which...the Bennie faithful are awfully quiet this year. Did a few losses clear the bandwagon? Any bets they will pop back up with a win over the Cobbs?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: unBiased Blazer on November 29, 2006, 03:26:35 PM
Willy; the bandwagon remains loaded!

Has there ever been a tougher schedule to start the year then what the Blazers face?  Three top contenders before Christmas and a trip down to Winona.  Then they face Bethel, away, right after the first.  Should be a lot of fun.









Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Faithful Fan on November 29, 2006, 06:37:43 PM
Am quite interested in seeing results of games tonight!  Too early in the season to do much predficting; great that REAL season is about to begin!  Have fun everyone!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on November 29, 2006, 08:08:05 PM
good to see this board moving again.  Looking forward to the Cobbers/Blazers match-up tonight, with the Cobbs getting the road Victory.

Willy, don't try to re-invent yourself, everyone on the FB board knows that you are mild mannered and rarely speak your mind ;)

Also, I saw earlier that your sister was playing soccer at that school up north, how did that turn out for her??

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 29, 2006, 11:11:38 PM
M&G - It's over. She's now happy. Losing isn't her favorite.

I had an ugly dream tonight. In my vision, I saw the Gusties up 12-11 over Mac at halftime. The narrator was saying "Girls basketball is getting set back 50 years tonight" on repeat. Thankfully, they still got the win.

However, the Gusties undefeated record could be the most deceiving thing in the world right now. Four extremely bad teams have helped cover some MAJOR offensive deficiencies.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 29, 2006, 11:39:01 PM
Rock and Roll Blazers!

I'll admit I was very nervous about the Cobs matchup tonight, but Ms. Katie Kempe lit up the scoreboard with six 3s.  40-14 halftime lead for CSB, and a nice comfy victory down the stretch.

Dangerous Katies knock off Royals?

Should be another fun MIAC year, here's hoping that no major injuries hit anybody!

GO BLAZERS!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on November 30, 2006, 12:00:14 AM
Give credit where credit is due, Blazers played very well. Shot lights out.

Thankfully, the pressure of an undefeated season is off the Cobbers!  :D

St. Ben's is a very tough place to play and I'd be remiss if I didn't say I thought the officiating appeared inconsistent. While it can be chalked up to the "Early in the season" excuse, these are two of the top teams in the conference and deserve a better effort. Just make it the same all game long and at both ends, that's all one can ask.

Enough sour grapes.....until next time.

Going to be a great year!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 30, 2006, 12:07:07 AM
QuoteRock and Roll Blazers!

I'll admit I was very nervous about the Cobs matchup tonight, but Ms. Katie Kempe lit up the scoreboard with six 3s.  40-14 halftime lead for CSB, and a nice comfy victory down the stretch.

WOW!  72-54.  I never would have predicted that as the Cobbers have been on a roll.  Cobs shoot 32.7% and turn the ball over 24 times.

Knights beat Augsberg 74-57 behind 20 pts., 10 rebounds and 5 blocks from Hannah Oken-Berg.  She's now the leading shot blocker in Knight's history and she's 4 games into her sophomore year.  Knights are looking tough so far.

WW - 46-30 in St. Peter tonight??  :(  Was each team playing with a goalie? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 30, 2006, 12:27:25 AM
Eeeeeeek! I just got home from St. Peter and I immediately popped in my vhs tape of the Duke/Kentucky NCAA tournament game from 1992 so I could remember how basketball is suppossed to be played.

The Gusties and Scots combined for 23 points and 26 turnovers in the first half. The Gusties tried to do everything one on one tonight and it didn't go over so well.

That being said, I think Macalester is a tough team to play because they are so bad. It's just hard to get into a flow against them. I hope they look better on Saturday against the Auggies.

Congrats to the Blazers...it looks like they made it look easy tonight.

Bethel? That must be disappointing.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on November 30, 2006, 09:03:53 AM
Ouch,  tough one for the Cobber ladies last night in St. Joe.

Definitely shows that some adjustments must be made and that CSB will be in the hunt for a conference title. However I wouldn't get your panties in too big of a bunch, I have trust that the Cobbs will bounce back from this set back and still be in contention come play off time.

BTW-- did anyone see the UNC vs Ohio St. game last night???  Awesome game!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on November 30, 2006, 09:17:17 AM
My lady cobbers had a tought outing last night in St. Joe.

14 pts in 1st half on 21% shooting from the field.  No 3 pt in the 1st half either.

Sounds like TO's were a problem too.

They will bounce back, they always do!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 30, 2006, 01:34:04 PM
Got to witness Carleton's relatively easy win against Augsburg last night.  After a somewhat sluggish start that featured some mental lapses and careless turnovers, the Knights just simply took over the game and were led by the efforts of Hannah Oken-Berg and Sarah Lincoln.  Without question the Knights are already looking better this year than they were at the same time last year.  They're going to be tough to beat as the season progresses. 

Sounds like the Cobbs had a real cold snap last night but 40-14 at the half?  Yeeeouch, indeed.  Nice job by St. Kate's knocking off Bethel up in Arden Hills.  The Gusties win over Mac must have been an ugly one to watch but not as ugly as the Gopher mens loss I had the distinct "privilege" of watching last night at the Barn.

Wish I could hit a game this Saturday but this Saturday is the UCLA - USC game and there's just no week like this week for me.  GO BRUINS!!!!!!!!!   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on November 30, 2006, 01:48:27 PM
News Flash:
Dan Monson Resigned!!!!

I'm not a Gopher fan but have a lot of repect for Dan Monson the person. Winning's the key, however....-I guess....Maybe they'd better bring back Clem.........
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on November 30, 2006, 06:09:41 PM
Renaisscoach:

While Monson probably needed to go on the merits of winning/losing, do you think the problem is bigger than that? They seem to have gotten recruits, just can't keep them...

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: StatsLie on November 30, 2006, 07:40:32 PM
Also saw the Aug-Car game.. but was not as impressed by Carleton, with the exception of Oken-Berg! I think they may struggle against some of the bigger and more aggressive teams of the MIAC..
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 30, 2006, 10:10:13 PM
I admit that I was very nervous going into the Concordia game, but nobody could have predicted what transpired in the first half.  Concordia looked shell shocked when the Blazers came after them on the defensive end. 

The important thing for CSB was that unlike in Boston, they turned turnovers into points and hit shots early to build confidence.  It was fun to see everyone get involved on both ends of the floor. 

Talking with coach Mike Durbin after the game, you could sense that he was very excited about the potential this Blazer squad has if they continue to bring the energy from players 1-12 each game.  CSB is deeper than I thought.  I am really impressed with how well the first-year Mindy Schmidt played last night.  She was very poised and confident for a rookie in an early season big game.  Great job by Ariel Tauer as well.  She can really get after the ball.  The stats had her for 12 points and 8 rebounds, but I am positive she had a double double.  And O'Neil continues to be the surprise of the year.  She almost decided not to play this year.  Thank goodness she gave up on that foolish idea and threw the uniform back on.  She will lead the MIAC in steals this year and could be a strong contender for 6th player of the year honors. 

I hope CSB doesn't hit a bump on the way through Winona with Carleton and Gustavus looming next week.  What a great lineup to begin the year.  It's like playing a post-season tournament at the beginning of the year.

RC, will we see you in Claire Lynch on Monday? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 01, 2006, 12:40:22 AM
CSB wins and the oldies come out of semi-retirement after the early-season stumbles. Wonders never cease, eh? On a related note...still think they're not conference contenders, gacbacker?

On a more serious issue, does CSB offer a webcast of any kind? Is it worthwhile? I'm pondering for next Wednesday and that option could well figure into my decision (and save me 5 hours of driving).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: unBiased Blazer on December 01, 2006, 06:51:04 AM
Willy; yes the bLazers offer a webcast, accompanied by a big time radio commentary.
However, status as a respected board contibutor would be in jeopardy if a little 5 hour drive gets in your way!

Blazer help defense was tremendous Wednesday, the Cobbers stars never got in the game. 

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on December 01, 2006, 12:20:05 PM
Sorry, Scorecreeper---:) but the trip from the very bowels of SE MN is too great a trip for this old geezer but will be there in heart. I hope many are downplaying Carleton's team as being a little weak as uttered in a previous posting cuz it'll come back to bite you in the caboose.....I think this is going to be another VERY GOOD Knight team and with Tammy--she'll make very good become VERY GOODER!!!!!

As to Monson, I don't know anything about the goings on only that he's a good guy. Of course, I thought Clem was too after attending some of his coaching clinics so that may explain my judging of character!!!!

Drive carefully, all. I'm traveling the 150 miles north to watch my grandson play 5 year-old floor hockey--gotta have my priorities, ya know.

Go Carleton

RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on December 01, 2006, 03:40:29 PM
Tommie Fans Where U At?

Hello board, i have not read any recent posts, but is there any tommy love going on this page?  i need a reliable source to give me some unbiased no spin reporting on tommy nation

i´m out of the country and craving some basketball talk, i glanced at the most recent box score and saw something promising, the presence of a point guard,

i think the point guard is the single most important position on the court, and really they just need two things, the ability to control the ball, and the ability to pester to death the other point guard with in your face defense, which really sets the tone for the rest of the defenders, things like uncanny court vision, shooting precision are definately bonuses, when you have a combination of all, (a la steve nash, lindsay whalen) they can lead a team all the way

and it appears that st. thomas may have that in sheena...i can´t remember her last name, i had the chance to see her play very briefly in high school and she looks like the real deal, please tommy fans, please confirm, or anyone else who can tell me straight if sheena is the tommies saving grace

i look forward to hearing how the miac is going

go tommies!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on December 01, 2006, 05:56:21 PM
Been too busy with my travels for work and Thanksgiving to be around the board much this season but it is good to be back...

Good to see my Blazers win on Wednesday to start the season 1-0.  The two losses is Beantown and the Crown win have been selectively forgotten and erased from my memory...so I will pretend my Blazers are 1-0...as that is their current conference record.

I was very impressed with the defensive performance of my Blazers on Wednesday - they just shut down the Cobs.  They did not let Keely get a good look all night and they stifled Hageman.  The big question is if they can keep up that kind of defensive intensity for 21 more games...

All I can say is that it should be a great MIAC season and the conference title race appears rather wide open.  I think 4-5 teams could make a run.  CSB should be in that group if they continue to play like the team we saw Wednesday...if they play as they did in Beantown...it could be a long season.  The Cobbers will be there - they were drilled at CSB last season and then won the tourney.  Carleton is always tough.  The GACkers will be there as well.  Could this be the year for the upstart Wildcats to finally start up? 

Next week should be fun...but we must get by SMU tomorrow.  Would abslolutely love to beat both Carleton and GAC next week but would take winning one out of those two...let the fun begin!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 02, 2006, 12:54:11 AM
Willy, I'm doing the webcast for the St. Ben's game, you can get it off the GAC website...I think to listen to the St. Ben's webcast it costs $15 or something like that...They use some "Teamline" service.

As far as not thinking the Blazers are "contenders"...I ranked them third in my pre-season rankings...in my book that's a contender...I just didn't think they were the favorites to win the conference.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 03, 2006, 12:26:29 AM
Gacbacker,

Did you catch the Gusties game tonight?  How did they look?  They don't seem to be clicking on all cylinders yet?  The box score seemed to indicate that they continue to struggle with offensive continuity.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 03, 2006, 02:54:10 AM
Nites- The offense was ok today...it struggled the first 5 minutes but then was fine. The starters were pulled about 7 minutes into the second half so the FG% really isn't indicitive of how the offense performed.

The good news is that the defense has been great.  Augsburg went an 11 minute stretch without scoring a single point in the first half and then went the first 8 and a half minutes of the second half without scoring a single point.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 03, 2006, 01:48:19 PM
Sounds as if GAC had a relatively easy win yesterday against Augsburg as was pretty much expected although I was somewhat shocked by Bethel's 80-58 drubbing of Hamline on Snelling Avenue no less.  Granted, I know the Pipers lost their two main kogs from last year's team to graduation but I didn't think they'd get rolled at home the way they did.  Anybody see it?

A very interesting week coming up that has title implications down the road.  I wonder how hard it will be for the Blazers to get ready for two big games back-to-back; first with the Knights on Monday night then with the Gusties two nights later.  Hopefully I can make it up there for Wednesday's game to lend my support for the Gusties.

Ah, what a glorious day yesterday and last night were.  Life is ALWAYS great when you beat SC.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiT2olBfoJY&NR 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 03, 2006, 02:02:35 PM
Ooops.  I mean "cogs".  Too much pop last night. :-X
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 03, 2006, 10:20:49 PM
QuoteNites- The offense was ok today...it struggled the first 5 minutes but then was fine. The starters were pulled about 7 minutes into the second half so the FG% really isn't indicitive of how the offense performed.

Thanks, gacbacker.  Next week will be interesting.  So far, we've seen unexpected (in my opinion) stumbles by Concordia and St. Ben's.  GAC has performed as expected, although not necessarily clicking on all cylinders offensively.  Carleton has come out of the gate strong.  With both Carleton and GAC taking on the Bennies next week, we'll see if either emerges as an early favorite for the conference title or if they both get knocked back into the pack at the top.  Should be fun.  I'm curious to see how the Knights will fare at St. Ben's on Monday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on December 04, 2006, 12:25:48 AM
gacbacker,
There is a Teamline link that is on the schedule page for CSB but te audio and video stream is free.  Ignore the Teamline link (although it is so huge it cannot be missed).  For the audio only you can click: Live Game-Time Internet Broadcast that is right below the composite schedule link on the schedule page.

If anyone wants to watch the live video stream of Blazer home games you can also access the video feed from the Basketball homepage.  I think more schools are going to video streaming and hope they all do so.  The picture on some video feeds are not great but it is better than nothing so that is another option for fans who cannot be at the games live.

I think this week should be great fun.  Of course, I hope my Blazers come away with two victories but it will be tough going back-to-back with the Knights and Gusties.  I will concentrate on the Knights first and hope for the best...slowing down Oken-Berg will be the key.  The Blazers will need to keep up the impressive defense they have shown early in the season...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on December 04, 2006, 09:14:54 AM
"Ouch"...is the only word that comes to mind when describing the horrific performance by SMU on Saturday vs. CSB. St. Ben's is more athletic and just plain better at every single position than St. Mary's, as will be many teams.

A painful 48-18 deficit at halftime. St. Mary's just seems to have no leadership on the floor--offensively or defensively, which is a shame. I know they have players that can score (Weisbrod and Coates), they just don't seem to have the will to make it happen. This will be a long season for St. Mary's if they don't get their offense figured out in a hurry.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 04, 2006, 10:50:45 PM
Seriously, CN? YUCK!

Early reports out of Arden Hills is Gusties by "15 or so." What's the word on CSB/CC?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 05, 2006, 12:14:52 AM
Cobbers shake off the Valley City stumble and put on a much needed game-long effort. Contributions up and down the bench tonight. St. Olaf continues to struggle with shooting fundamentals and it cost them.

What's the deal with St. Kate's?!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: StatsLie on December 05, 2006, 12:33:22 AM
St. Kates whoops the auggies by 22-- its just hard to watch!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on December 05, 2006, 12:58:28 AM
Just back after watching CSB defeat the Knights.  My Blazers did a great job again on the defensive end and really contained the Knights.  HO-B had 14 in the first half but was an absolute non-factor in the second half.  Kudos to Ellie Boone in the post, Jen Dahled at guard, and Mackenzie O'Neil off the bench...they were the three stars of the game for CSB.  Noreen, Kempe, and Tauer only had 7 points between them and the Blazers still won by 12.  Also, I really like the young Mindy Schmidt...very good defensive intensity and does not play like a first-year.  All in all it was a very fun night and a good game. 

Of course, I know Tammy may be disappointed because the referees, scorer's table, security guards, and concesssion vendors were all in on a conspiracy to deprive the Knights of a victory.  I know they were probably the reason for the loss in St. Joseph tonight but I thought I would point out some of the positives for the Blazers on the court.

I will also say that HO-B is a very nice player...nice touch around the basket and a definite shot blocker.  If she had ANY help at all the outcome may have been different.  I also have to give her kudos on improving her free thow shooting.  She went from being the Shaq of the MIAC last year to actually having a very nice stroke from the line...she was 8-8 from the stripe (all in the first-half and that kept the Knights in the game)...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 05, 2006, 01:20:30 AM
Gusties play a very strong second half to beat Bethel by 15...Vadnais was the star in the first half with 16 points...she finished with 26...Monahan took over in the second half with 15 points and finished with 21.

While the big two were big, the Gusties got strong performances from Radtke, Schultz, Boese, Consoer and Peterson as well. Boese had one of the better games I've seen her play. Very disruptive on the defensive end and she actually looked good at the free throw line for a change.

Big game on Wednesday for early control of the conference.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 05, 2006, 01:59:19 AM
gacbacker - I'd respond with current stats, but Bethel's SID is apparently inscribing the box score on a stone tablet as we speak, presumably to be passed around the league next week. I mean, no box score 5 hours after the boys game and 3 after the girls? Are you Fing kidding me? I'd apply for the job based on incompetence, but I really don't like Bethel that much.

As for the free throws...to steal from the Liberty League's football board, IT'S SCIENCE! Wonka shot FTs at a 30%ish clip his freshman year before nearly doubling it as a sophomore. The first-year jitters included something like 3 airballs, though I made the second attempt every time. Also, Wonka finished 2-2 the time OAS heckled him with Ashley Brown chants in the MIAC title game.

The moral of the story is don't hate on genetics.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: unBiased Blazer on December 05, 2006, 08:27:46 AM
BB; great analysis of Blazer game.  THe Blazers were just very methodical.  They worked the ball for the good shot, they made the shot when CC would make a little run and they made the Carl's work for shots.  BB you also forgot to mention the obvious bias of the halftime show toward the Blazers. 

Great matchup Wednesday!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on December 05, 2006, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: cobbernation on December 04, 2006, 08:41:07 PM
STO 76  Final OT
CC   68

Dude, take that weak sauce to the men's board.  Cobber women roll last night to a 63-42 victory.  Brings up an interesting game this saturday with the so far undefeated Wildcats.  Anyone have any information on this St. Kate's team this year??

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 05, 2006, 09:52:50 AM
Blazer;

I may be missing something here, but are you intimating that there is some major conspiracy against Tammy, ON HER OWN FLOOR???

:D

Saturday at St. Kate's should be fun!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on December 05, 2006, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on December 04, 2006, 10:50:45 PM
Seriously, CN? YUCK!

Early reports out of Arden Hills is Gusties by "15 or so." What's the word on CSB/CC?

Sorry wonka, wrong bball page.  That score was the mens game.

Thanks M&G for the correction!  Nice to see you this weekend to discuss the greatest mind in sports Lou Holtz!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 01:43:34 AM
Everyone makes a mistake from time to time, CN. However, the key to life is never admitting a mistake, like Billy Packer after he rips the Mid Majors on Selection Sunday.

My attendance isn't looking good for tomorrow, as the parentals have bailed due to early work meetings the Thursday morning. I've got a couple calls placed in hopes of recruiting some friends, but, surprisingly, most people are sleeping after midnight.

If I stay home and this promised Bennie webcast doesn't work, heads will roll. Or at least smiting will be forced upon me.

As dustysju says....developing.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on December 06, 2006, 06:27:10 PM
For the CSB/Gustie game tonight, go to this website and click on "Blazer Basketball Live Video Stream" below the action photo

http://www.csbsju.edu/csbsports/basketball/default.htm
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 09:01:45 PM
This web cast sucks. It needs to refresh like every 5 seconds. gacbacker, it's you and me for the rest of the night buddy.

19-16 Gusties, freshman post Katie Layman with 10 points off the bench for GAC with 5 left in the half.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 09:17:12 PM
GAC up 31-23 @CSB at the half. Gustie freshman starter Schultz left early with an undisclosed injury, but the team has sucked it up without her. I believe they ended the half on a 10-1 run.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 09:39:14 PM
Ugly start to the second half for GAC. CSB takes a short lead before Layman's jumper tied it at 36 about 5 minutes in.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 09:44:48 PM
These posts are getting more and more depressing.

GAC defense getting torched and we're down 6. Been outscored 21-7 as CSB nearly doubles its score in just 7 minutes. GAC also has 6 fouls already. Hopefully things get turned on changed after this timeout.

Nope, another layup. Puke.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 09:49:29 PM
Unbelievable. GAC struggling with everything so Haller takes Monahan and Vadnais out.

CSB is shooting roughly 80% in the second half and has literally got every offensive rebound possible. Two straight steals for layups by the Bennies and GAC is down 52-38.

29-7 in the second half.

"Gusties have completely fallen apart here in the second half," says the GAC announcer. That might be an understatement.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 10:03:37 PM
GAC down 59-47 with 53:36 to play.

Whatever adjustments Durbin made at the break are completely befuddling the Gusties on defense. Sounds like the Bennies are shooting a layup contest.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 10:12:56 PM
It's over except for the crying for the Gusties, down 62-50 with about a minute left. CSB solidly takes the pole position for the MIAC title. The only positive in this situation is that CSB simply held serve against the big boys and has to play them all on the road the second time though (Yes, I'm reaching).

Does anyone who was there have some insight for me? What were the Bennies doing that GAC had no hope of stopping in the second half?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 06, 2006, 10:32:23 PM
Final just in:  Carleton 69, Bethel 68.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 06, 2006, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 10:12:56 PM
It's over except for the crying for the Gusties, down 62-50 with about a minute left. CSB solidly takes the pole position for the MIAC title. The only positive in this situation is that CSB simply held serve against the big boys and has to play them all on the road the second time though (Yes, I'm reaching).

Does anyone who was there have some insight for me? What were the Bennies doing that GAC had no hope of stopping in the second half?
Willy, just got back from the game. I was very impressed by GAC in the first half and was very concerned if the Blazers could come back from being down by I think 8 points. The second half saw the Blazers really step up the defense, especially down low on Bri and the freshman whose name I can't remember. They would drop off and help every time the ball went low and it seemed like GAC couldn't get it back out for good shots. CSB also drove to the basket much better the second half and got alot of points from whoever was playing the post. Goehner finished with 10, Tauer with about 10, and Boone must have had 8 or 9. I also think the Blazers speed with Mindy Schmitt, Mackenzie, Dalhed, and Falvey will be very difficult for any team this year. Fun game to watch tonight, especially if you are a CSB fan!! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on December 07, 2006, 12:55:08 AM
What a great victory for the Blazers tonight!  I was very concerned about a lack of identity coming back from Boston, but now it is official, the Blazers are a defensive force.  Now that they have their offense going they will be very tough to deal with all season.  Of course, CSB has not been tested with tough road games, but by winning the early home games they are going to put the pressure on the other contenders in the second half of the season. 

I think the key tonight in the second half was speed and patience.  CSB wore the Gusties down with the lightning quick guard play and patiently worked the ball on the offensive end, cutting down on the silly turnovers from the first half.  Boone and Goehner were solid defending Monohan in the post and came through with big baskets as well (Goehner had 8 of her 10 in the second half). 

Darby has not gotten into a groove yet, but she hit a couple of big three pointers that really helped solidify the victory.  Also, a great game by Katie Kempe.  She showed great senior leadership keeping the ball alive with the dribble and directing the offense.  I'm very sad that I won't see this Blazer team again until January 3rd.  They are playing so well and are so fun to watch that I wish they kept playing every other day.  Of course, I'm sure they can use the rest and here's to CSB coming out strong in 2007. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 07, 2006, 01:31:51 AM
Disappointing night for the Gusties...I really thought they had the Blazers at halftime. I think I'm especially disappointed because I still think this is one of the weaker Blazer teams I have seen in the past five years...now maybe my eyes think that because this Blazer team is more defensive than offensive...or maybe its because they don't have an 18 point per game player like a Heikenen???

I was disappointed with how the Gusties handled the loss as well...that's all I will say about that right now...

The Gusties HAVE to know that teams, especially the good ones, are going to try to take away Vadnais and Monahan and make other people beat them...there has to be some strategy thought out as to how to combat that and tonight there didn't appear to be any.

Great game for Layman...and things might have been different if Schultz wouldn't have caught an elbow in the first minute of the game and if the Gusties had the services of Emily Nelson who is still recovering from knee surgery.

Still a good start for Gustavus at 6-1...and a great rebound by the Blazers after losing their first two to beat their three biggest rivals in the conference before x-mas.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on December 07, 2006, 10:18:33 AM
It's going to be a VERY LONG season for my Cardinals after a 40 point loss to Hamline. Ouch!  :-[

I hope they can come up with a few surprises along the way and manage more than just a couple of conference wins. They'll need to find some sort of offensive groove though, and it appears that that might be tough.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 07, 2006, 01:40:22 PM
I was up at Claire Lynch last night and things looked pretty good for the Gusties - at least in the 1st half anyway.  Give credit to Durbin for making whatever necessary adjustments he needed to make for  the 2nd half.  The thing that bothered me was  how the Bennies were able to attack right down the middle which often resulted in easy lay-ups.  Also, Jess had very few opportunites or looks for 3's which, had she been able to knock some down, might have loosened up things down low for Monahan, Layman, and Wonka's sister.  All in all, a disappointing finish........

Meanwhile, what happened up in Arden Hills?  Luckily, the Knights escaped with a 69-68 W over Bethel.  Anybody over there to witness it?

CSB's in control of things for now, but there's still a lot of basketball left to play.  What comes around goes around.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 07, 2006, 05:16:16 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2006, 10:12:56 PM
Does anyone who was there have some insight for me? What were the Bennies doing that GAC had no hope of stopping in the second half?
Oh yea, one other thing, We have Durbin as our coach!! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 08, 2006, 12:18:47 AM
Yeah Durbin, the one who should have been T'd up last night when he threw that little hissey fit when Goehner was correctly whistled for a travel.

You Blazer fans complain about Tammy's antics, but your guy is a close second in that department.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 08, 2006, 11:30:01 AM
From what I heard on the computer radio out here in Philly (video feed dropped out during halftime), the Blazers' D is going to be the biggest weapon in the conference this year.

Mackenzie "all steals, all day" O'Neill with 8 picks, and solid all-around scoring too.  Fun, fun, fun, for this Blazer fan.

LA- I thought you were pro-Carleton and neutral in other regards... Apparently not, as the anti-CSB bias is starting to show.  Do uou think that maybe limiting Vadnais's 3-point looks might have been part of a game plan, so that the posts wouldn't get extra space?  Nah, that must just have been a coincidence.

Saturday and Monday look important for both the Cobbers and the Knights.  Anybody see the 1-point game against Bethel?  The mercurial Christians are always tough to figure out.  How about the UST 7 point victory over Mac?  How on earth was it that close????
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 08, 2006, 02:18:54 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 08, 2006, 12:18:47 AM

You Blazer fans complain about Tammy's antics, but your guy is a close second in that department.
I'm gonna have to talk to Mike about that, we hate to be second in anything! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on December 08, 2006, 09:31:26 PM
Don't worry, BG, he isn't !!

Gonna finally see my Knights tomorrow--mehopes. My bride and I are up outa the sticks with the grandkiddies. I'm sure Tammy will remain a distant 2nd in the aforementioned category..........

RC
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 08, 2006, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on December 08, 2006, 11:30:01 AM
How about the UST 7 point victory over Mac?  How on earth was it that close????

Tough to say, but I'll hazard a guess. The UST coach told her/his (?) players to throw it at the hoop instead of throwing it out of bounds. The turnovers went from 20+ a night to 11 and the FG percentage went from 40+% a night to around 30%.

Haven't seen the Scots play, but I've heard they play a strange brand of basketball. Anything you'd expect a "normal" player to do, they do the opposite. At least two MIAC teams have found them difficult to play against. The defense must be alright, or else teams just expect to show up and get the win.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on December 09, 2006, 07:33:19 PM
Big win tonight for the cobbers over St. Kates.  87-80.  The cobbers were led by Hageman with 23, Krabbenhoft 18, Keeley 18, Heinz 12, and Ashley King with 11.

It's nice to see that Krabbenhoft is back into the starting lineup.  She started off the season coming off the bench to get about 20 min./game.  She played 31 today.

Good win COBBERS!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 09, 2006, 09:29:34 PM
Cobbers look good against a VERY GOOD St. Kate's squad!

In a game played predominantly by starters that had 167 points scored, the maturity and poise of the Cobber seniors showed.

Make no mistake, St. Kate's will be there come tourney time. The are really quick.

Congrats to Annie Keely for hitting the 1,000 point mark.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on December 09, 2006, 10:15:25 PM
The results from St. Kate's seem to indicate that the upstart Wildcats are going to be a thorn for teams all season long.  However, I noticed that all 5 of their starters went 30 plus minutes.  That will take its toll over the course of a season and I predict the kitties break down by season's end.  A long break for the Blazers...I hope they don't build up any rust before the trip to Bethel in January. 

One other thing, what's with Concordia's long road trip to start the season?  Was that by design or did the MIAC screw that one up? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on December 10, 2006, 12:29:49 AM
Quote from: scorekeeper on December 09, 2006, 10:15:25 PM
The results from St. Kate's seem to indicate that the upstart Wildcats are going to be a thorn for teams all season long.  However, I noticed that all 5 of their starters went 30 plus minutes.  That will take its toll over the course of a season and I predict the kitties break down by season's end.  A long break for the Blazers...I hope they don't build up any rust before the trip to Bethel in January. 

One other thing, what's with Concordia's long road trip to start the season?  Was that by design or did the MIAC screw that one up? 

Schedule has to do with the Concordia Choir using Memorial Auditorium for the annual Christmas concert

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 11, 2006, 01:32:19 PM
I heard Mike and Tammy petitioned the MIAC in retaliation for the tournament championship!

Relax Blazers and Knights fans, I'm only kidding!  ;D

While the Kate's run the risk of breakdown, I will say it looked like their conditioning is excellent. That game was a track meet. Better to hope they avoid injury, it's a pretty shallow bench.

Off to Moorhead for the long-awaited home opener. Drive safley all!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 11, 2006, 09:16:29 PM
Ugly 1st half going on in Moorhead.  16 all with 8 minutes left with 17 or 18 combined turnovers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 11, 2006, 09:34:08 PM
32-30 Cobbers at the half.  Hageman with 14 for CC and Lincoln with 10 for Carleton.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 11, 2006, 10:31:53 PM
Dogfight goes to the Cobbers 62-61.  Hageman with 21 and hits game winning free throw.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on December 12, 2006, 12:29:37 AM
Controversal mistake in tonights game by the shot clock attendant.  I will tell story tomorrow, could've been reason why Carelton lost!  Stay Tuned!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 12, 2006, 02:41:50 AM
Whew!

An ugly win, but a win nonetheless. Cobbers staters were still feeling the effects of the St. Kate's game as evidenced by poor shooting %, fouls and turnovers. Gutted it out and won ugly.

I'd be remiss if I didn't singe out Ms. Oken-Berg for her fine play in the post tonight. Truly impressive in carrying her team on her back. Looking forward to the next few years of Hageman vs. Oken-Berg duels!

I would expect that the conversaton on the Knights bus and homeward cars will at some point touch on shot clock and officiating. Twice there were errors by the shot clock operator. Evened out though, each team got one posession. Officiating on ther other hand left lots to be desired. Inconsistent and uneven on both sides of the ball. This league needs to take note and get better quality officiating.

Hope all get home safely, pretty foggy out there.

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 12, 2006, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Korn Lover on December 12, 2006, 02:41:50 AM

I would expect that the conversaton on the Knights bus and homeward cars will at some point touch on shot clock and officiating. Twice there were errors by the shot clock operator. Evened out though, each team got one posession. Officiating on ther other hand left lots to be desired. Inconsistent and uneven on both sides of the ball. This league needs to take note and get better quality officiating.


From what I could tell, the officiating was just plain pathetic - all the way around.  Is it that hard to get competent officals?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 12, 2006, 09:41:09 AM
Nites;

Allow me a little bandwagon jumping. As an example of the poor quality of reffing (sp?), to start the 2nd half, Carleton was called for 6 consecutive fouls. The next 5 were on Concordia. It was obvious that the zebras were in an even-up mode, regardless of play.

In addition, during the game, two shot clock/possession scenarios were mishandled and the refs appeared confused.

It has to be frustrating for coaches and players this way.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on December 12, 2006, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: cobbernation on December 12, 2006, 12:29:37 AM
Controversal mistake in tonights game by the shot clock attendant.  I will tell story tomorrow, could've been reason why Carelton lost!  Stay Tuned!

Read Korn lover's post, pretty much sums up the story.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 12, 2006, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: Korn Lover on December 12, 2006, 09:41:09 AM
Nites;

Allow me a little bandwagon jumping. As an example of the poor quality of reffing (sp?), to start the 2nd half, Carleton was called for 6 consecutive fouls. The next 5 were on Concordia. It was obvious that the zebras were in an even-up mode, regardless of play.

In addition, during the game, two shot clock/possession scenarios were mishandled and the refs appeared confused.

It has to be frustrating for coaches and players this way.

Korn:

That's my point about the officials being abysmal all the way around.  It sounds like there were non-calls, phantom foul calls and just plain unexplainable calls against both teams.  That's too bad as the two teams really battled.  The officiating didn't cost Carleton the game, but missing two free throws and allowing 3 offensive rebounds in the last minute plus of the game did.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 12, 2006, 01:08:14 PM
Nites;

Agreed on the reason for loss, although I suspect the Knights see that differently.

On the missed free throws, the shooter is a fine young lady (Know the family from AAU) and a very good player. She's made considerable progress from last year to this. She's making solid contributions this year.

Cobbers aggressiveness on the boards at the end was great. I think they had 4 going to the glass all night.

I really got the impression that the refs were more concerned with the number of fouls on the scoreboard (And keeping it even), than they were with properly calling the game. I also think the three of them were inexperienced and shouldn't work together again.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 12, 2006, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: Korn Lover on December 12, 2006, 01:08:14 PM

Agreed on the reason for loss, although I suspect the Knights see that differently.

On the missed free throws, the shooter is a fine young lady (Know the family from AAU) and a very good player. She's made considerable progress from last year to this. She's making solid contributions this year.


Biewan actually had a pretty good game.  She was in the thick of things when they made their comeback from 8 down.  Pretty good game despite the officiating.  The two teams seem to have contrasting strengths.  Cobbers had the quickness advantage and the Knights had size on their size.  The Knights made their comeback when they got aggressive and used their size advantage.

Hageman and Keely are great competitors and fine BB players.  The rematch in Northfield should be entertaining.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 12, 2006, 07:07:03 PM
Nites;

Agreed, those other two posts shold be pretty good when they get a little bigger physically and more experience.

Looking forward to Northfield....and a shorter drive! :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 13, 2006, 04:39:49 PM
Now that we're at the holiday break from the MIAC schedule, anybody feel like another round of predictions?

Yes, it's way too early, but what else are we going to argue about over the holidays, other than Aunt Shirley's mince meat pie? (and no, I don't have an Aunt Shirley)

Best Rookie?
Conference MVP?
Best sub? (not 6th man, because there aren't men)
Playoff seeds?

My guesses:
Rookie-don't know, haven't seen enough games
MVP-probably Hageman, Oken-Berg, or Monahan
6th player-O'Neil (CSB)
Playoffs: Blazers, Cobs, Knights, Gusties, Wildcats, Tommies

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: randle on December 13, 2006, 07:32:37 PM
CM - Keep in mind that STU conference (3-1) has beat conference teams with a combined conference record of 1-11 and CSC (3-1) has won against conference teams with a combined conference record of 2-10.  It might be a bit early to give these teams a top 6 spot.  We will see.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 14, 2006, 01:10:22 AM
CM

I wouldn't count Keely out of the MVP voting just yet. We Cobbers like to have options. ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on December 14, 2006, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on December 13, 2006, 04:39:49 PM
Now that we're at the holiday break from the MIAC schedule, anybody feel like another round of predictions?

Yes, it's way too early, but what else are we going to argue about over the holidays, other than Aunt Shirley's mince meat pie? (and no, I don't have an Aunt Shirley)

Best Rookie?
Conference MVP?
Best sub? (not 6th man, because there aren't men)
Playoff seeds?

My guesses:
Rookie-don't know, haven't seen enough games
MVP-probably Hageman, Oken-Berg, or Monahan
6th player-O'Neil (CSB)
Playoffs: Blazers, Cobs, Knights, Gusties, Wildcats, Tommies



Best Rookie:  Not sure!
Conf. MVP:  Hageman
6th player: Krabbenhoft (CON), that's if she doesn't starts.
Playoffs: CON, CSB, CAR, STK, GAC, and HAM
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: unBiased Blazer on December 15, 2006, 08:04:59 AM
CM; having seen only three games hard to predict postseason awards.  Clearly you are going on last season performance in your predictions because the only one of your choices who looked good was OB.  Neither the Gusties or Cobbers had a performer who looked "MVP-Like" against the Blazers.  I think your "sixth-person" insight is right on.  The "steal machine" has had great impact whenever she comes in. 

Because of the early Blazer schedule I haven't been able to see others play, so I apologize for focusing my discussion on the them.  However, it is the story of the first part of the seasn..........their 4-0 start in the conference.   

Also;From the balance on the Blazer squad I can tell you right now there will not be enough places on the all-MIAC team.  Among their "10 starters" I have seen many all conference performances.  CM, I can foresee some "over-under" discussions on the number of Blazer's that will be named "all-Miac".



Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on December 16, 2006, 10:17:59 AM
I can't believe that no one has posted yet about Mac's win against River Falls.  Of all the teams in the MIAC that UWRF has played, MAC is the only team to beat them.  UST got smoked by UWRF as did Hamline and Augsburg.  Maybe Augsburg will take Mac's place at the bottem this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 01:54:39 PM
East Coast

Part of it might be that River Falls is currently struggling.  They started out the year playing very well, defeating Point and almost coming back to defeat UWEC, plus blowing out the teams you mentioned.  The last few games they have played bad.  But nonetheless, a great win for MAC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 17, 2006, 08:48:15 AM
ECMF,

I was at the game the other night and had made a post about it over on the WIAC board.  Definitely a great win for Mac to be sure although when I first saw UWRF take the floor for the pre-game warmups and saw the size they had I thought Mac was in trouble for sure.  But Mac simply outhustled and outplayed them in the first half before UWRF stormed back to take two brief leads in the 2nd half before it got away from them again.  Just from judging what I saw, you would have to figure that Mac has a definite shot at winning some games this year and perhaps finishing somewhere near the middle of the pack.  Just avoiding the basement would be a huge step for them.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on December 22, 2006, 01:09:46 PM
Wow! Nothing in this board since the 17th, shame on us.

Anyway, Merry Christmas to all and good luck the rest of the way.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 23, 2006, 09:18:59 PM
Happy Holidays to all!  Enjoy the over-eating, the family gatherings, the inevitable gut aches, and the clearance sales!

Safe travels to all, and Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 04, 2007, 12:13:51 AM
Wow!

Just back from the Cobber/Scots game.....ouch! :-\

Scots were totally prepared and played well to their credit. Great hustle and strong work on the boards.

Methinks the Cobbers got caught looking past these girls. Bad move. Bware of this team, they are much better than their record.

It wouldn't be me if I didn't take a shot at the officiating. 5 players fouling out is a bit much in my opinion. Of the three refs, one stands out. I have seen this ref over the last 9 years in a variety of settings (Travel, AAU, High School). Consistently poor and doesn't belong at this level. 'Nuf said.

Onto a home game and Hamline!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 04, 2007, 12:50:59 AM
Random stat of the night:

In Hamline's win over Augsburg, the Pipers got 60 points off their bench and just 22 from their starters.

Monahan and Vadnais combine for 49 to help GAC beat St. Kate's...that's how we roll.  ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 04, 2007, 10:34:01 AM
In a typically physical game in the land of the "holy", the Blazers came away with a strong win.  As talented as Bethel isn't, they sure know how to toss their weight and elbows around.

Darby Noreen stepped up big time in the second half, hitting some huge shots to keep CSB's momentum, and the pesky perimeter D for the Blazers created a lot of extra possessions.

Shocker in the Mac gym last night!  Other than hussle and tough rebounding, where else have the Scots improved enough to beat a contender?  Anybody else at that game?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on January 04, 2007, 11:07:02 AM
Well, it felt like an entire season had passed since the last Blazer basketball game so it was great to see them back in action again last night at Bethel.  A slow start for CSB, but they got it rolling with their tough defense.  Mackenzie O'Neil and Darby Noreen combined for 8 steals and the team had 17 overall.  Even more significant was that CSB turned it over just 7 times compared to 21 for Bethel.  That is a plus/minus ratio that will put you in a great position to win every time. 

I was very happy to see the Blazers compete so well in the post.  I thought Bethel would have a big advantage there, but Goehner and Boone did great work inside and they were balanced by the slashing and shooting of Tauer and Falvey.  I like the variety of speed, strength, cutters and outside shooters for the Blazers.  It's a very balanced team. 

Anyone know why Thielke was not playing for the Royals last night?  I'm sure she could have helped their cause as Uzpen was on an island in the guard spot.  I can't believe Bethel is just 2-6 on the season now.  I had them slated to be in the top 5 this year. 

MAC over CC?  My goodness...why did they need to get me worried about the trip to St. Paul on Monday?  I was hoping to expect a quick victory so I could get home and watch Fiesta Bowl II between Ohio State and Florida. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 04, 2007, 02:08:07 PM
I was over at Macalester to witness the shocker.  Not only shocking in just the win itself but also shocking when you take into consideration Mac's horrendous FT shooting last night (had to have been below 50%).  And yes, the officiating was on the fair side of abysmal.   I thought Mac was in big trouble once Danielle Johnson fouled out but somehow they found the big rebounds and shots when they needed them.  And true, the Cobbers didn't help their cause with equally horrendous shooting from the perimeter, either.  Needless to say, a HUGE step forward for the Scots. 

Looks like everything else went pretty much to form as both the Knights and Gusties hold serve at home and CSB thumps the Christians.  Good to see this board finally going again.  Makes the Emerald Bowl fiasco against FSU a bit easier to handle.  :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 05, 2007, 01:04:39 AM
Vadnais and Monahan are now #1 and #2 in scoring in the conference after last nights games. I wonder when the last time that has happened this late into the season.

Maybe even more amazing is the fact that the Blazers are undefeated and don't have a single player averaging in double figures. Ellie Boone is the leading scorer at 9.3 ppg and is 25th in the conference. Props to the Blazers and Durbin for their current win streak without a go-to player.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 06, 2007, 10:54:02 AM
Huge blow to the Blazers with their starting PG out for the season.  Do they somehow blame Bethel for that?  They seem to put a lot of blame on other teams when things go badly or they get hurt.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on January 06, 2007, 11:57:50 AM
I'm very pleased the Blazers came out of the break and took care of business at Bethel.  The Royals gave them a tight game there last season but the Blazers blew them out of the gym Wednesday night.  The Royals had no answer for the depth and speed of the Blazers.  The Royals are big and slow...and have no real offensive perimeter threats without  Thielke.  The only bad thing about the game was the career-ending injury to Katie Kempe.  She was making a hustle play and had just stolen the ball when it happened.  She is a wonderful person, great player and a leader for the Blazers.  It will be tough to replace an all-conference player like her - it will be interesting to see how the Blazers respond to losing on of their floor leaders.  I think Nikki Carter is a great player so it is my hope she will step into the starting role and shine.  I also want to send my best thoughts to Katie for a speedy recovery...I look forward to seeing her on the sideline supporting her teammates the rest of the year...she is just a great person and it is a shame when these things happen...

EC - I am not even going to take the bait.  Say what you want about the Blazers.  They are off to a good start this season and we shall see where it leads.  Bethel has been very physical the past few years but it has not helped them become a better basketball team.  The fact is, they have been and will continue to be a bad basketball team.

Like others, I was also shocked at the Mac-Cobber score the other night.  But, I think it will be a nice reminder to teams at the top of the conference not to take those at the bottom lightly.  However, I thinks the Cobbers will be fine as Jess Rahman is a tremendous coach and they definitely have talent on the squad.  It will make the CSB-Mac game next Monday very interesting and while I will be a Mac for the game I will also be very interested in the Cobber-Gustie game that night as I think they play each other Monday night in Moorhead...

Safe travels today for all and I hope for good health and no injuries in the MIAC today!  While I want people healthy---I will hope the teams closest to my Blazers in the standings falter.  I will be in Northfield hoping my Blazers recover from losing one of their floor leaders at St. Olaf today...   

   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 06, 2007, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on January 06, 2007, 10:54:02 AM
Huge blow to the Blazers with their starting PG out for the season.  Do they somehow blame Bethel for that?  They seem to put a lot of blame on other teams when things go badly or they get hurt.
Nobody's blaming anything but the law of nature for Katie's knee injury. Bethel was very physical under the basket but the injury happened in open court. Not even the worst coach in the MIAC, Bethel's, could contribute to the injury! He has NO rotation, leaves players in with too many fouls, doesn't sub even when a player is obviously out of gas, and is clueless when to call timeouts. Bethel has alot of talent, fortunately for the rest of the MIAC it isn't used properly.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 07, 2007, 12:24:00 AM
Cobbers tumble on their own floor with Hamline :-\

Having your former star sitting on the opponents bench as a coach is a real challeng to any team, more so when its Mandy Pearson!

Bright spots were the 2nd half comeback to make the game close and the play of freshman Sarah Sorbo.

We've been here before, Cobbers will be there at the end of the season.

Sorry to learn of the injury to Kempe. These young ladies at the D-3 level play for the love of the game. To have that opportunity taken away too soon is tragic.

Bethel on Monday, where are the shoulder pads and helmets?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 07, 2007, 12:57:18 PM
Great game yesterday over at CSC as Carleton downed St. Kate's 66-65 on Amber Connor's buzzer beater.  Simply well-played by both squads; even the officiating wasn't that bad save for a couple of calls both ways.  While certainly a tough loss for St. Kate's to swallow they've proven they can hang with the top level in the MIAC and I think they're a solid bet to make the MIAC playoffs this year the way things are shaping up for them.

Hamline over Concordia - in Moorhead no less??  :o  Definitely an eye-opener to say the least.  Sounds like one of the newer kids on the block (Rochelle Sather) got off and dropped a double-deuce on the Corn.  While Hamline (along with UST) seems to be one of the Jekyll and Hyde teams of the MIAC, Concordia appears to be having some after-effects of that morale-sapping loss to Macalester the other night.  Will be interesting to see if and when they can recover from this Dallas Cowboy-esque stumble.

BB, BG, SK, CM, et al; sorry to hear about the season-ending injury to Katie Kempe.  Always sucks when something like that happens.  Beyond the obvious, how much will this impact the Blazers the rest of the way?     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 07, 2007, 07:58:33 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 07, 2007, 12:57:18 PM
BB, BG, SK, CM, et al; sorry to hear about the season-ending injury to Katie Kempe.  Always sucks when something like that happens.  Beyond the obvious, how much will this impact the Blazers the rest of the way?     
Anytime you lose a 4 year starter its a big blow... but, fortunately we have Carter as a backup who is very capable of being a starting pointguard. We also have Mindy Schmitt as a freshman that has great potential at the point. It will hurt our depth and our leadership but with Durbin at the helm we will be just fine!! :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 08, 2007, 10:55:48 PM
Cobbs knock off the Gusties by 2 tonight. My eyes and ears' phone died before I could come out with any details, including a score.

Bad trip up north for GAC. Worse bus ride home, I'd assume  :-[
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on January 09, 2007, 02:19:12 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 08, 2007, 10:55:48 PM
Cobbs knock off the Gusties by 2 tonight. My eyes and ears' phone died before I could come out with any details, including a score.

Bad trip up north for GAC. Worse bus ride home, I'd assume  :-[

The GAC girls grabbed their first lead in the game with less than a minute to go.  Then with 15 seconds left, my MVP of the MIAC melanie hageman makes a layup to  go up by 1 point. 

At this point I think rahman called a timeout with 9 secs left.  GAC inbounds the ball and tries a handoff.  It was quickly picked off by anne keeley who was then fouled.  She made 1 of 2 free throws and GAC didn't get a shot off as time expired.

All In all a good game, but the cobbers need to work out some issues with their turnovers and fouls.  GAC was in the double bonus with 10 min. left in the game.  Bright spot for the cobbers, freshman standout Sarah Sorbo goes for 15 points in the first half.  Huge game for her, she plays great D and works extremely hard.

Good win Cobbs!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 09, 2007, 02:39:02 AM
Cobbernation puts it well. Nice to see the Cobbers play like they expected to win and let the defense do the talking.

Monahan and Vadnais played extremely well, shot free throws great! I thought Raymo played very well on the defensive side.

GAC, do you think there is a concern about the number of minutes Monahan and Vadnais are playing? Looking at the stats for the last 4-5 games, they are each playing close to 30 minutes/game. Three games a week for a month will surely take its toll. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on January 09, 2007, 10:31:36 AM
I thought we would be in for an interesting affair at Macalester last night, but CSB was able to cruise past the Scots.  Durbin used 15 players and nobody played more than 18 minutes.  I have to assume that Mac ran out of gas after 3 consecutive victories, but it was clear that the Scots could not handle the speed and quickness of St. Ben's. 

LA Rams: Thanks for the note to us Blazer fans about Kempe.  It's a huge loss.  I still can't believe her career is over.  How will the Blazers be without her?  I think it will hurt more later in the season when CSB is in a dogfight for the MIAC title.  Although she did not routinely score in double figures, she was always a threat to make multiple three pointers and drive to the basket.  She had also improved her defense this year and was setting up the offense as well as she ever had. 

On a positive note about Katie, she has been such a big trooper and great teammate through her situation.  Last night she was standing without crutches during warmups so she could high five all the players in the layup drills.  She is vocal from the bench and so supportive of her team.  She is such a great person which is why it makes it so difficult to see this happen to her. 

How about the games this Wednesday?  GAC at UST, Bethel hosting Concordia and the suprise teams of the year Hamline and St. Kate's doing battle in Hutton Arena.  What a night for basketball hopping around St. Paul. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 09, 2007, 11:48:29 AM
Impressive outing by the Blazers last night as Mac came crashing back to earth with a frighteningly resounding THUD.  I didn't get a full appreciation for it when I watched CSB battle GAC up at Claire Lynch last month but I just cannot get over how much size CSB really has - and how they can come at a team in waves like they did with Mac last night.  Whether it's Boone, Falvey, Goehner, or a few of the other newbies they can just pound on a team.  And they've got a nice touch of speed, too, to add to the mix.  I haven't seen the box score yet but I am curious as to their FG% last night.  They were on fire.  Got to say hello to KK after the game and to wish her well.  Hope she recovers okay.

Tough, tough loss for GAC up in M-head last night.  True, it was on the road and both CSB, Concordia, and Carleton still have to make the trek to St. Peter but I wish this squad could somehow find a way to steal a game like this on the road against a quality opponent.

Hope the action Wednesday night is better than last night's B.C.S. Championship game.  BTW, good to catch a huge chunk of the SJU - Mac men's game last night.  Physical.......       
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on January 09, 2007, 03:53:35 PM
Been gone for a while (I/T troubles, UGH!).

So, will anyone beat St. Ben's?

Also, where are the Hamline and Macalaster posters? Your teams are have great years and there's no one here to brag them up. Come on, create a profile and jump in! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 10, 2007, 02:55:15 PM
St. Bens is clearly the team to beat at this point in the season. I'm interested to see how the Gusties respond tonight at UST, who seems to be playing better after a rocky start.

With no SMU rep on these boards, I'll throw this out there myself. The new Cards coach has very little talent to work with down bout. However, he sent out an email to the entire faculty laying out a bunch of guidelines in class for his student-athletes. The only one I specifically heard mentioned was that his players were required to sit in the first or second row of class, but the list was apparently double-digit in length.

Does any other coach in the MIAC mandate such a thing, especially for all to hear? Is this a good or a bad thing? Anyone care to speculate on what other rules he's invoked? :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 10, 2007, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 10, 2007, 02:55:15 PM
With no SMU rep on these boards, I'll throw this out there myself. The new Cards coach has very little talent to work with down bout. However, he sent out an email to the entire faculty laying out a bunch of guidelines in class for his student-athletes. The only one I specifically heard mentioned was that his players were required to sit in the first or second row of class, but the list was apparently double-digit in length.

Does any other coach in the MIAC mandate such a thing, especially for all to hear? Is this a good or a bad thing? Anyone care to speculate on what other rules he's invoked? :)

Wonka,

How do you know this? You must have a friend who teaches at SMU?? I don't think its out of line for Coach Stimmel to demand that his players be good students. After all, they are students before they are athletes. My guess is that it didn't get much attention from most of the faculty. They have bigger fish to fry than trying to remember which students are also women's basketball players, etc. etc.

However, I think its a good thought on Coach Stimmel's part. He's trying to get it through to these girls that class is important. Must've fallen on deaf ears to some of them though, as one of their leading scorers is ineligible this semester. When I was there, my coach required the professors to fill out a progress report 3 or 4 times per semester on each student-athlete. She wanted to catch any sort of "falling-out" in a class long before it actually happened. I don't remember ever having a teammate ineligible because of grades.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on January 11, 2007, 12:26:43 AM
Wonka, She Scores:

Interesting comments. If we were talking about D-1, or D-2 scholarship athletes, i might support the discipline associated with such a rule. However, at a D-3 level and especially in the MIAC where academics are strong up and down the conference, this rule seems kind of silly.

One would rather expect a program to create a culture of accountability whereby the player decided to commit to class.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 11, 2007, 12:40:54 AM
Just back from the Cobbers/Royals game. Talk about scoring, over 150 points!

As expected, a physical game by both teams. Neither side wanted to give up the paint. Unfortunate injusy to Sarah Krabbenhoft, who went down with a knee after a collision. She tried to return but couldn't go. Word is it is not too serious, though.

Hightlight of the night was the match-up of freshamn guards Sarah Sorbo and Kirsten Hansen. These two will be delighting ther coaches for the next four years. Their head-to-head games should be fun to watch.

Inconsistent officiating led to a very physical game (Fouls were 10-3 at one point) that resulted in a poorly called intentional foul on the Royals. I was less the 20 feet from the foul and the defender clearly had her should in front of the player. Worse yet, the Royal coach received a T from the same ref for commenting on the poor call. Ref should have walked away rather than goad the coach. Too bad and I told the Bethel coach that afterwards.

Tommies in the frozen north on Saturday....Brrrr.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 11, 2007, 12:29:50 PM
Cager, are you saying that DI and DII athletes need to be babysat, but since DIII athletes are not on scholarship, they should be self motivated to go to class?

I think athletes are the same no matter what level you are talking about.  All teams need a certain amount of discipline in their lives, and what better place to start for an athlete is than in the classroom.  In case you haven't noticed, very few athletes of any level on the women's side are playing sports competitively past college.  All should be motivated to do well in the classroom, but as is the case, some are not no matter what level you are talking about.  For a team that has been lacking discipline in the past few years, the classroom is a great place to start.  It also shows the faculty and staff that athletics is not acting above them, they are trying to work with them.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 11, 2007, 02:13:56 PM
I for one see nothing wrong with making sure athletes are doing well in the classroom. And if it comes to having to set a few standard rules then so be it. Especially if you have an athlete that needs a little more motivation as far as academics lie. I think props goes to coaches for caring enough about their athletes to make sure that they not only succeed on the court, but in the classroom.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 11, 2007, 02:25:24 PM
WHY DIII?

""It's not about getting a scholarship, getting drafted, or making SportsCenter. It's a deep need in us that comes from the heart. We need to practice, to play, to lift, to hustle, and to sweat.  We do it all for our teammates and for the student in our calculus class that we don't even know.  We don't practice with future major league first basemen; we practice with a future sports agent.  We don't swim with gold medalists; we train with future teachers. We don't lift with a future Olympic wrestler; we lift with a future doctor. We don't run with a future Wimbledon champion; we run with a future CEO. It's a bigger part of us that our friends and family can understand.

Sometimes we play for 2,000 fans, sometimes 25. But we still play hard.  You cheer for us because you know us.  You know more than just our names.  Like all of you, we are students first.  We don't sign autographs. But we do sign graduate school applications, MCAT exams and student body petitions.  When we miss a shot or foul out we don't let down an entire state. We only let down our teammates, coaches, and fans.  But the hurt is still the same.

We train hard, lift, throw, run, kick, tackle, shoot, dribble, and lift some more, and in the morning we go to class. And in that class we are nothing more than students.  It's about PRIDE-inourselves and our school. It's about love and passion for the game.

And when it's over, when we walk off this court for the last time, our hearts crumbles.  Those tears are real. But deep down inside we are very proud of ourselves. We will forever be what few can claim...college athletes."
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on January 11, 2007, 04:13:45 PM
After playing sluggish in the first half (and still holding Augsburg to 18 points) CSB responded to the "constructive criticism" provided by Durbin at the break and cruised in the second half outscoring the Auggies 49-21.  Darby Noreen knocked down 3-3 from behind the arc in the first half and Falvey hit 3 triples in the second half.  Tauer, Boone and Goehner were strong under the basket and it looks like Nikki Carter is getting more comfortable with contributing in the scoring column. 

Of course, defense remains the key for CSB.  They gave up 60 points in their very first game of the year and since then they have not given up more than 56 I think.  They have held the last 4 teams they played to 49 or fewer points. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: holbi1 on January 11, 2007, 05:27:03 PM
As a long time coach, eduator, and as a father who has had two daughters participate in Division III sports, I take polite exception to "East Coast MIAC Fan" that "Athletes are the same no matter what level you are talking about."

Divison III is totally about scholastic achievemnet first and sports as a compliment to the academics.
The proof is in the extremely high graduation rate experienced by D-III participants. It is truly an exception when a woman athlete does NOT graduate from an MIAC school, or for that matter, any D-III school.

I have the ultimate respect for the College of St. Benedict as both of my daughters had science majors which involved heavy lab obligations which conflicted with practice time for track or basketball. Never did any coach ever insist that practice take precedent over the scholastic responsibilities associated with their majors. This would NEVER be the case in a D-II or D-I setting.

My final comment: As a result of an outstanding D-III eduaction at CSB, my oldest daughter has a PhD and a MD degree. The youngest daughter will soon finish her PhD next year. Thank you D-III schools for the superb example of what is most important at college and may some day the D-II and D-I schools follow suit.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 11, 2007, 05:38:16 PM
Korn- is the foul count the only way to judge an officiating crew?  That's a dangerous assertion to make.  I'd rather have refs calling what they see on both ends (consistently) without trying to "even the count".  I'd feel safe in saying that Bethel commits more fouls than most other teams, and if the refs were concerned about keeping foul count even, that's an advantage to the Christians in every game, whether that means BU has fewer fouls called, or the opponents have extras in their tally.

Since we all like to complain about officiating from time to time (myself included), here's a question:  What criteria do each of you use to judge an officiating crew?

Sounds like the SMU coach is certainly trying something different.  Seems to me that the better approach would be telling the players that they have guidelines to follow in order to stay on the team.  Trying to give faculty silly rules to enforce isn't the right approach, but kudos for trying, I guess...

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 11, 2007, 05:52:32 PM
Collegeville- Foul count is no real measure of the quality of a crew. I agree with you the a consistent application at both ends of the floor is a better measure. What I find frustrating is the evenng process. Case in point, last night at Bethel the count was 10-3. Over the balance of the game, Concordia was called for only 2-3 more fouls and Bethel picked-up 6. Coincidence?

I have seen this all to often over many years of watching and coaching. I'd prefer a lopsided final count if appropriate.

My criteria for a good official is one who applies the calls consitently at both ends fo the floor and does not get "Involved" in the game as happended last night at the end with an intentional foul called when a shooting foul call was in order.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on January 11, 2007, 06:09:28 PM
Wow! Lots of reactions.

A couple thougths; I wasn't making any statement positive or negative about D-1/D-2 athletes, they have people who make sure the athletes go to class and maintain eligibility to retain scholarships. No issues there.

I was trying to pay a compliment to the D-3 athlete for all the reasons mentioned by holbi1 and hoopscoopsmiac. The commitment and discipline required to attend demanding academic schools AND play sports creates the character the makes these young people accountable to themselves for attendance and scholarly performance. By and large, they do not need to be told to do that which they already know is required.

If a coach wants to create requirements and expectations for class attendance, etc. so be it. No issues here. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 11, 2007, 09:20:44 PM
she_scores51 — It's my job to cultivate sources ;) If the Strib ever decides to give more than passing mention to MN D3 athletics, I'd like to think I could do a decent job manning the post. Assuming people don't mind my anti-SJU/CSB bias anyway :)

I didn't imply that it was a bad thing, thus my question. It seems to have sparked a debate, with no one really disagreeing with the coach's decision. E-mailing the faculty seems a little excessive, but the premise seems sound.

Anyway...

GAC's little Bri had a coming out party last night against a physical Tommie team. She bounced back from a sub-par performance up north to put up 18-6-6, including a pair of 3s that put the Gusties in the driver's seat. Radtke and Julia Schulz helped make up for the 3-for-15 struggles of Vadnais and foul trouble of Monahan (she sat for most of the first half with 2).

The offense remains an ugly thing to watch — spacing is absolutely horrendous — and the transition defense left plenty to be desired to start the game, but a win against a solid team is nothing to dismiss. The refs helped change the flow of the game when they began calling the clutching and grabbing of UST at about the midway point of the second half. UST has size and bulk whereas GAC seems to just have size, so those calls were much-needed in getting the road victory.

As an aside, GAC's Vicky Peterson is out for the season with a torn ACL. While not as crucial a cog as CSB's loss, a definite hit for the Gusties. On the plus side, Nelson may soon be ready to step in and assume her minutes.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 11, 2007, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: Cager on January 11, 2007, 12:26:43 AM
One would rather expect a program to create a culture of accountability whereby the player decided to commit to class.

Thoughts?

I agree 100%. But as a new coach, I think Stimmel has yet to create this "culture of accountability". He is probably trying to do so right off the bat.

I think no matter what level you're at — DI, DII or DIII — the motivation to go to class and do well in the classroom has to ultimately come from within the individual student-athlete. If they simply have no desire to go to class, no amount of prodding or rule-making will change that.

Wonka--I was just curious how you'd heard about the email. It was the first I'd heard anything about it...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2007, 02:35:05 AM
Quote from: she_scores51 on January 10, 2007, 04:06:20 PM
He's trying to get it through to these girls that class is important.

May also be trying to get through to the professors that he knows it's important. Not a bad thing either.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on January 12, 2007, 09:23:25 AM
Pat- Point well made, hadn't thought of that possibility.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 12, 2007, 11:45:45 AM
Nothing that was sent to the professors was for something THEY had to do by the way.  What was sent to the professors was the list of expectations for the players by the coaches as pertained to their academics.  Just to clear up any confusion.  It was sent to professors nearly to let them know that the women's basketball team has a high emphasis on academics and the coaching staff wanted to let them know that they believed in that also.  The coaches have not asked the professors to do anything above and beyond what they already do.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 13, 2007, 08:58:30 AM
Sorry to hear VP is out for the year for the Gusties.  I think a bigger blow for GAC then WW suggests. 

As far as the academic thing, I think ultimately the impetus to excel in the classroom ultimately has to come from the inside, doesn't it?  I know during my days at the U of Iowa I had some of the basketball players in my class and I don't have enough fingers on my hand to count how many times they missed class/TA/lecture sessions.  Granted, travel considerations, especially during the season mandated some of that, though.  But a lot of my buddies who were on the tennis team were excellent students and rarely missed class.  The alleged e-mail by the SMU coach may seem a bit over the top at first glance but in the end if a culture of accountability translates into success in the classroom for his players then so be it.

Another good round of games on tap today.  Looks like I'll have to settle for an in-town game today (probably Bens and Kates) as I'm behind the desk until a little before 3.  Any thoughts, picks?     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Faithful Fan on January 13, 2007, 06:37:32 PM
Cobbers are moving along.  Pace is slow but there is progress.  St. Thomas will be a force too.   What happened at St. Kate's?   Rumer there is some parity in the con ference???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 13, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
Well, well, well...it looks as though the Wildcats did everyone else a favor this afternoon by topping the Blazers....I knew that Blazer streak had to come to an end pretty soon.

The Gusties held a Hamline team in need of some shot selection lectures to just 11 points in the first half. The Pipers committed 32 turnovers and the Gusties had their most balanced scoring effort of the season.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Faithful Fan on January 13, 2007, 10:21:29 PM
Am excited to see what the 2nd half of the season brings to the court.   Could be more "upsets" according to the folks who seem to know.  Won't hurt St. Ben's as they know how to win.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on January 14, 2007, 12:22:10 AM
Was in St. Paul today at and Blazer-Wildcat game.  Kudos to the Katies.  They beat CSB today for the first time...ever.  They should be excited and proud of the accomplishment.  CSB played very poorly on the offensive end as they were unable to get a shot to fall.  They missed 5 lay-ups at the start of the game and were 0-6 from the field as they fell behind 10-0.  They never recovered and shot just 21% in the 1st half...and they missed some open looks.  The Katies played solid D but the shots were there for the Blazers and just did not fall...it happens sometimes. 

This is one of the games where having Katie Kempe could have helped.  She was someone who could have possibly hit some of the open looks and her leadership was sorely missed at the end of the 1st half when two key turnovers led to two big 3's for the Katies going into the half.  The 2nd half was not much better as the poor shooting continued and the Blazers may have lost another starter to an injury.  Jen Dahled went down and we are all hoping for the best as losing another senior captain would make things very interesting.  It is quite unfortunate but it means others will have to step up as the season keeps moving...

While the loss is disappointing, I never thought CSB would go undefeated in the MIAC and plenty of other conference teams will be taking additional losses.  As I told a friend today after the game...there are ten other teams in the MIAC that would love to switch places with CSB right now...   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 14, 2007, 12:53:49 AM
Back from the North where the Cobbers knock off the Tommies in a very physical overtime game. Tommies foul out four of their starters (Tommies fans; comments on officiating?).

Cobbers owned the boards all day, especially on the offensive end.

Blazer, here's hoping Dahled's injusry isn't serious. Too many good players have gone down already this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 14, 2007, 03:14:45 PM
St. Kate's is definitely a dangerous team to anyone in the conference this year, and others are right in saying that things look pretty balanced right now.

If Dalhed is out for a long stretch, it could quickly become a 4-team race for the title.  We've all been spoiled by a few years of relatively injury-free MIAC ball, but there are definitely more teams having to re-adjust than in the recent past.

I think CSB's depth will really prove valuable if indeed Dalhed is out for a while.  Not many teams could survive 2 senior starters in jeans, but the deep bench for the Blazers will now have to step up.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIACBaller on January 15, 2007, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on January 12, 2007, 11:45:45 AM
Nothing that was sent to the professors was for something THEY had to do by the way.  What was sent to the professors was the list of expectations for the players by the coaches as pertained to their academics.  Just to clear up any confusion.  It was sent to professors nearly to let them know that the women's basketball team has a high emphasis on academics and the coaching staff wanted to let them know that they believed in that also.  The coaches have not asked the professors to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

You would know first hand.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 15, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
I like Willy Wonka have many sources.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIACBaller on January 15, 2007, 02:45:15 PM
I call your bluff.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on January 15, 2007, 05:34:20 PM
A question for all;

Does anyone think the current MIAC schedule of three games per week has any effect on the rash of injuries? Is there a relation between the number of games (And associated fatigue) in January and the recent injuries?

Respecting the fact that others years have had fewer numbers of injuries, I'm just wondering out loud here.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 15, 2007, 10:59:41 PM
Quote from: MIACBaller on January 15, 2007, 02:45:15 PM
I call your bluff.

I second this bluff!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on January 15, 2007, 11:22:41 PM
Cobbers win again tonight with a 79-56 victory over Auggie Tech.  Four in a row for my cobbers who are now showing some life and a little consistency. 

Stats haven't come up yet so no lines for anyone.  Cobbs have St. Mary's at home on Wed and then CSB on Sat. at home.  Would be a big week if the cobbs could win the next two.

Point guard Jenna Freudenberg is starting to show that she can be a scoring threat.  She will have to pick up some slack after krabbenhoft is out with an injury.  Post play will be the big question on how far this team can go this season.  I am excited for the next month of MIAC bball.

Go Cobbers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 16, 2007, 12:03:58 AM
Cobbers coast to an easy win at Augsburg, avenging an embarassing loss last year. Full bench played in this one, giving starters some much needed rest.

By the way, what's the deal with St. Kate's? No stats posted for the last 4-5 games... :(

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 16, 2007, 12:47:37 AM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on January 12, 2007, 11:45:45 AM
Nothing that was sent to the professors was for something THEY had to do by the way.  What was sent to the professors was the list of expectations for the players by the coaches as pertained to their academics.  Just to clear up any confusion.  It was sent to professors nearly to let them know that the women's basketball team has a high emphasis on academics and the coaching staff wanted to let them know that they believed in that also.  The coaches have not asked the professors to do anything above and beyond what they already do.

Not sure if this "call your bluff" stuff is directed at me or not, but what I was told seems to be a little different than what EC is saying. I expect it's a case of putting the wrong EM-pha-SIS on the wrong SIL-ah-BULLS.

That said...the Gusties seem to have worked out their offensive kinks in the last two games. It's nice to see the ball whipping around the perimeter and not necessarily stopping in the hands of Vadnais or Monahan. The diverse scoring will only help against the better teams, such as Wednesday against the Carlies.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 16, 2007, 03:17:35 AM
Thought it might be time to give out some mid-season awards:

MVP: Bri Monahan

All-Conference: Vadnais, Hageman, Keeley, Oken-Berg, Lincoln, Schneider, Berglund, Petrich, Noreen, Boone, Sampson, Gotchnik, Baltzer, LeGrave, Nautsch

All-First Year: Schmidt, Sorbo, Radtke, Connor, Sather, Baltzer

All-Defensive: Oken-Berg, Vadnais, Monahan, O'Neil, Katch

Coach of the Year: Durbin and Rufsvold (tie)

Most surprising team: Macalester

Most disappointing team: Bethel
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIACBaller on January 16, 2007, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on January 15, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
I like Willy Wonka have many sources.

Your "sources" seem to have given you some pretty specific information. Unless, of course, you are the source...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 16, 2007, 03:43:27 PM
I am very friendly with most of the MIAC coaches, and I do hear much more specific information than the casual fan.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 16, 2007, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: MIACBaller on January 16, 2007, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on January 15, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
I like Willy Wonka have many sources.
Your "sources" seem to have given you some pretty specific information. Unless, of course, you are the source...

If I am the source, huh? I can only dream of owning business cards that say the following:

Willy Wonka
Head of Women's Studies at SMU
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 16, 2007, 07:31:10 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 16, 2007, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: MIACBaller on January 16, 2007, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on January 15, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
I like Willy Wonka have many sources.
Your "sources" seem to have given you some pretty specific information. Unless, of course, you are the source...

If I am the source, huh? I can only dream of owning business cards that say the following:

Willy Wonka
Head of Women's Studies at SMU


STOP PEOPLE!

Willy Wonka please note that I believe MIACBaller is calling the east coast miac fan's bluff, not yours. As of which I second. It seems east coast miac fan "is very friendly with most of the MIAC Coaches" (to quote him)...especially when one of them is your boss...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on January 17, 2007, 09:08:05 AM
I know I'm a bit late on commenting about the Monday night games, but as someone mentioned earlier, there are just too many games in the same week so it's tough to keep up.  Without Kempe and Dalhed in the backcourt the Blazers were looking for someone to step forward and help Noreen with the scoring responsibility.  They were given a huge lift against the Pipers by First-Year guard Mindy Schmidt.  Schmidt showed how she became the leading scorer in Champlin Park history (I know it's a short history) by scoring 20 points.  She drove to the basket, hit some short range shots and nailed 3 shots behind the arc.  I hope Schmidt can carry that over to tonight when the Blazers travel to St. Thomas to face their arch rivals.  Hamline must have had an off night because I didn't see any of the play that would have carried them to some big early season wins.  The Pipers have now lost 3 consecutive games and will be in a dog fight for 6th place I think at the end of the season. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 17, 2007, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 16, 2007, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: MIACBaller on January 16, 2007, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on January 15, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
I like Willy Wonka have many sources.
Your "sources" seem to have given you some pretty specific information. Unless, of course, you are the source...

If I am the source, huh? I can only dream of owning business cards that say the following:

Willy Wonka
Head of Women's Studies at SMU


Wowzers, I take off for a couple of days an my alma mater has a new Head of Women's Studies. Welcome, Wonka. ;)

SMU looked pretty good in a win over Augsburg on Saturday. I wasn't able to see their tough loss to Bethel on Monday, but judging by the box score, they had trouble finding their offense as they only managed 14 first-half points.

I like what Stimmel is doing down in Winona and hope he can get a handful of quality recruits to really help his program out next year. For this year, I think they're going to be happy with any wins they can get. Who knows, maybe they'll get a few upsets themselves (you never know!).

ECMF, I'm curious as to who your boss might be?!?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on January 17, 2007, 05:30:09 PM
Willy,

Will you be in St. Peter for the games against Carleton?  Both should be good games.  On the ladies side, the Knights are turnover prone.  If the Gusties can get their press going and capitalize on that, they will win.  The Knights are still young and the 1-2 punch of Monahan and Vadnais may be too tough.  They need to produce though and the Gusties need to try to hold their own on the boards where Carleton has excelled.

How do you see the game playing out?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on January 17, 2007, 09:26:30 PM
GAC having its way with Carleton, 30-14 at the half.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 17, 2007, 10:06:45 PM
Nites - I was a roady for three straight days recently. Sometimes you have to pull back and actually do some work to make sure you don't get fired :)

Any more updates? How did things look/sound?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 17, 2007, 11:18:17 PM
Wow, a Gustie smackdown on Carleton, St. Kate's continuing their "post Super Bowl" decline by losing to the Oles.  Weird.

St. Ben's came away with a hard fought rivalry game tonight, 47-44.  UST played very aggressive perimeter D, and St. Ben's missed enough shots to keep it close.  The Blazers continue to force tons of turnovers, and lots of players chipped in. 

Ellie Boone was probably the player of the game for the Blazers, grabbing a number of very key rebounds, and contributing to Gotchnik's fouling out.

I wish we had some St. Kate's or St. Olaf fans on here to enlighten us...

Go Blazers!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 18, 2007, 12:33:10 AM
Smackdown is right...the Gusties completely shut down the Carleton offense tonight. The Knights led 10-7 and the Gusties finished the first half on a 23-4 run. I've never seen a Carleton team look as flat as they did tonight.

The freshmen are really making a difference for the Gusties...Vadnais and Monahan are doing what they do, but Radtke has been as consistent and as steady as you can ask a freshman point guard to be. Schultz can rebound as good as any guard in the conference and her offense is really starting to come together. Layman has been a consistent threat off the bench and has a pretty turn-around jumper from 12 feet in.

Three very winnable games now ahead for the Gusties...Mac, Augs and Bethel.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on January 18, 2007, 01:19:56 AM
Good win tonight for the cobbs over SMU.  Now they have great momentum going into sat. matchup with conf. leader CSB.

Hageman had a cold night, but Fredenburg, keeley and co. picked it up to complete the victory.  I might have to start making a case for Sarah Sorbo to be on the all-defensive team. 

Here line from tonight.
40 Sara Sorbo.......... g  4-7    1-1    2-2    1  3  4   4  11  3  1  0  6  22

She is very aggressive and scrappy on the defensive side of the ball.  If a loose ball is 6 ft. away she is diving on the floor to get it.  She is very motivated and physical.  All that along with 11 points and 4 assists/rebounds.

A total of 8 turnovers by the starting five tonight.  It should be a great game on Saturday.

GO COBBERS!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2007, 03:11:33 AM
Interesting. Picking up a loose ball should not be credited as a steal, however. :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 18, 2007, 10:25:44 AM
Strange stats from the UST box score last night.  Jen Dalhed, despite dressing for the game in a sweater and dress pants, was credited with 2 minutes played...

Blazers shoot 3-22 from the arch, not a performance likely to be repeated any time soon.  With the Cobbers ranked last in the MIAC in 3-pt % defense, hopefully CSB will convert on some open looks on Saturday.

First round of conference play in the books, and we've got a battle!

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 18, 2007, 12:44:33 PM
CM-

So what exactly is the story with Dahled's injury?? Ankle, knee,??? Hopefully not serious. 

What is everyone's thoughts on overall level of play in the MIAC this year, up... down...???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 18, 2007, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2007, 03:11:33 AM
Interesting. Picking up a loose ball should not be credited as a steal, however. :)

Not sure if I agree with that...what should it be credited as? HUH?

However, I don't think someone knocking the ball away from an offensive player and then their teammate picking it up should be credited with the steal, yet thats how it works.

PROPS to Sorbo for being aggressive and doing something you don't see in many players. I actually was impressed with her state line last night. Cannot wait to see her play. I give any player that is willing to dive on the floor or hustle after every lose ball all the credit in the world. It takes a special player to have this type of hustle. It's those small plays that can make a huge difference...and not only that it can change the energy/tempo of her own teammates.

Another player that seems to have this type of hustle is  #4 Michelle Richter from Augsburg.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 18, 2007, 03:19:47 PM
Yawn...coming to from another 7 hour round trip to Moorhead on Wednesday. Cobbers were on cruise control for the second consectuive game.

Good news the rest will be welcome for Saturday vs. the Bennies. I expect a game similar to last year where the Cobbers had righted the ship after an embarassing opener.

BlazerGuy, Collegeville, what is the story on Dalhed? Hopefully not lost to injury like so many others.

Gotta put in a plug for the Cobber's #34. Her hustle defense and surprising offense has been huge in the last 4 games. Going from sub to starter can be a challenge, but she's made the adjustment and stepped up.

Looking for a big crowd on Saturday! Go Cobbers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: carletonsid on January 18, 2007, 04:12:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2007, 03:11:33 AM
Interesting. Picking up a loose ball should not be credited as a steal, however. :)
This one gets messed up the most by stat-takers

From the NCAA Basketball Stats Manual...
SECTION   6—STEALS
A steal is credited to a player when the player's positive, aggressive action(s),
which includes contact with the ball, causes a turnover by an opponent. This
may be accomplished by:
(a) Taking the ball away from an opponent in control of the ball.
(b) Getting a hand on the ball in control of an opponent and causing a held
ball to be called, and having his or her team be awarded the ball for a
throw-in.
(c) Batting a ball in control of an opponent to a teammate.
(d) Batting a ball in control of an opponent away from and off the opponent
and out of bounds.
(e) Intercepting an opponent's pass.
(f) Deflecting an opponent's pass to a teammate.
(g) Deflecting an opponent's pass away from and off an opponent and out of
bounds.

Philosophy. To earn a steal, the defensive player should be the initiator of
the action causing the turnover, not just the benefactor. The steal should be a
take-away, not just a recovery and not just a forced error.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 18, 2007, 04:40:57 PM
Quote from: Korn Lover on January 18, 2007, 03:19:47 PM
Yawn...coming to from another 7 hour round trip to Moorhead on Wednesday. Cobbers were on cruise control for the second consectuive game.

Good news the rest will be welcome for Saturday vs. the Bennies. I expect a game similar to last year where the Cobbers had righted the ship after an embarassing opener.

BlazerGuy, Collegeville, what is the story on Dalhed? Hopefully not lost to injury like so many others.

Gotta put in a plug for the Cobber's #34. Her hustle defense and surprising offense has been huge in the last 4 games. Going from sub to starter can be a challenge, but she's made the adjustment and stepped up.

Looking for a big crowd on Saturday! Go Cobbers!
I believe its an ankle injury that should take another 2-3 weeks.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 21, 2007, 12:09:34 AM
Anybody (SS51)  see the UST-SMU game?  Are the Tommies beginning their now-annual slide earlier than expected?

Mindy Schmidt and Mackenzie O'Neill came up big up in Cobberland this afternoon.  52% shooting usually beats 34% shooting, and that held true today, despite the Cobs out-rebounding CSB 31 to 22.  The Blazers had 18 assists to Concordia's 5.

Good team basketball and stingy defense are definitely the hallmarks of the Blazers.  Here's hoping the conference upset bug doesn't catch up to this team before the games at Carleton and GAC.

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 21, 2007, 10:39:46 AM
It seems like Gotchnik should have dominated against this SMU team. In fact most of St. Thomas players should have had a field day with their height. Not sure what it is though...it seems like all the posts in our conference who are 5'11", athletic (Hageman, Monahan, Gotchnik, etc) should easily get 20+ points against SMU, but it isn't happening. Not sure if thats cause of SMU's defense or what. But HUGE win for the Cardinals.

St. Thomas definitely should have been able to score at will downlow, but constantly just threw the ball up. in hopes of a foul maybe??? They were very sloppy with the ball and didn't seem ready for SMU to be in the passing lanes and being scrappy. 

Looks like it will be an interesting second half of the season for all teams... not sure who is my favorite at this time. Feel like talent is definitely down from years past, but we'll see who is in the play-offs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 21, 2007, 11:16:31 AM
Through the 1st half of the season, here's how I see things.....

MPV:  Bri Monahan - If she doesn't get it it'll be the biggest travesty since Renee Willette got passed over back in '02.

All-Conference:  Vadnais, Keeley, Hageman, Oken-Berg, Lincoln, Schneider, Petrich,
Noreen, Boone, Sampson, Gotchnik

All-First Year:  Schmidt, Radtke, Layman, Sorbo, T. PaStarr, D. Johnson, Connor, Sather

All-Defensive:  Vadnais, Monahan, T. Johnson, Katch, Gotchnik, Oken-Berg

Coach Of The Year:  I'll give the edge to Rufsvold here......just a bit early to tell.

Most Surprising Team:  Macalester, who else? 

Most Disappointing Team:  St. Olaf (although I'm getting more and more inclined to throw Concordia in there)

Hardest Team To Figure Out:  UST.  Can anybody out there explain this group?  They looked like one of the top teams in the conference in beating St. Kate's last Monday then lost a tough one at home to CSB two nights later only to be bounced by SMU on Saturday.  ???

I still sticking with my earlier pick of GAC winning the conference and their win yesterday over at Mac makes me feel that much better about it.  It's not just the Bri Monahan - Jess Vadnais show anymore.  True, they're the two go-to still but I like how the new kids on the block are making things happen now as well, particularly Radtke and Layman.  CSB should still be there at the end but it might be a bridge too far for them to win it with the injury-depleted squad they have now.  Carleton will certainly stay in the mix and they're a solid playoff team but they're too young and/or unreliable in the backcourt and they got exposed BIG TIME in the Knights Stalingrad-esque performance in St. Peter the other night.  Concordia, after yesterday's home loss to CSB, now has to look in terms of improving its plaoff positioning as they're already 3 games back of the current league-leading Blazers.  I would guess then that UST and St. Kate's will grab the 5th and 6th spots, respectively, becoming early casualties in the MIAC playoffs though I think the Tommies are under-achieving with the size they have.         
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on January 21, 2007, 12:25:45 PM
LA Rams: I like all of your midseason awards except 2.  First, Mackenzie O'Neil should not only be on the all-defensive team, she should be the defensive player of the year.  She proved it again yesterday as she locked down on Keeley, holding her to 4-13 shooting and no 3 pointers.  (Mindy Schmidt played a hand in that as well).  With Dalhed out, Mac has drawn the top perimeter player of the opponent and she continues to set the pace for the defensive minded Blazers who are giving up just 49 ppg.  O'Neil also leads the league in steals.  She had 4 more yesterday.  That makes 10 steals for her this year against the team picked to win the MIAC in the pre-season.  In those two games, Keeley scored just 5 and 12 points and did not hit a 3. 

Number two, although I like what the St. Kate's coach has done (including beating my Blazers), his team is 7-5 and they fell on their face two consecutive times after beating CSB. Durbin is my pick.   The Blazers do not have a player in the top 15 in scoring or minutes played.  They lost the MVP of the MIAC to graduation and then watched an All-Conference Player in Kempe go down with an injury and then an all-defensive player in Dalhed go down with an ankle injury.  Yet, through it all, the Blazers are right back in their familiar position at the top the conference.  I sure hope that by issuing this praise I don't jinx the Blazers for the rest of the season.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 21, 2007, 12:50:10 PM
LA- Most disappointing team Concordia? Give me a break. If memory serves, they rattled off 5 straight before the CSB loss. And while giving credit to the Blazers (Ouch that hurts... ;), if the Cobbers had closed out on the three point shooters in the first half, the game would have been much closer. In both games, the second half was even after spotting the Blazers double digit leads. Cannot do that against that team, too much talent (Ouch...that really hurts!).

Also, If I recall, the Cobbers have wins against both GAC and Carelton. MAC and Hamline losses are bumps and embarassing, but only four losses and they are a disppointment? Methinks not!

But, that why we post and they play the games, right?!

Good luck to all on Monday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
Quote from: hoopscoopsmiac on January 18, 2007, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2007, 03:11:33 AM
Interesting. Picking up a loose ball should not be credited as a steal, however. :)

Not sure if I agree with that...what should it be credited as? HUH?

Nothing. Not every change of possession is a steal. If someone knocked the ball out and their team got possession, then the person who knocked the ball out should get the steal.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 21, 2007, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: scorekeeper on January 21, 2007, 12:25:45 PM
LA Rams: I like all of your midseason awards except 2.  First, Mackenzie O'Neil should not only be on the all-defensive team, she should be the defensive player of the year.

Unless the league office is going to hand out a new award based on O'Neil's apparent excellence, she's going to have to settle for all-defensive team. Good try, though.

Having seen more Gustie games this year than all but gacbacker, I'm inclined to vote for Vadnais as the midseason MVP. Obviously, the team wouldn't be anywhere without either - and I still think Monahan should've won last year - but Vadnais has simply been better across the board. Take a look at the MIAC leaders and see if you don't agree.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 22, 2007, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: Cager on January 15, 2007, 05:34:20 PM
A question for all;

Does anyone think the current MIAC schedule of three games per week has any effect on the rash of injuries? Is there a relation between the number of games (And associated fatigue) in January and the recent injuries?

Respecting the fact that others years have had fewer numbers of injuries, I'm just wondering out loud here.

Thoughts?
Title: See quote from Cager January 15
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 22, 2007, 01:10:56 PM
New on the board - excuse the unfamiliarity.

I'd like you posters to give the quote from Cager some serious consideration and thoughts.  How about we do a little brainstorming on what could be done about something that I believe has validity to possibly decrease injuries, etc.  In reviewing other conferences such as UMAC, IIAC, and WIAC, note number of games, number of teams in conference and game schedules in January.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 22, 2007, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: Cager on January 15, 2007, 05:34:20 PM
A question for all;

Does anyone think the current MIAC schedule of three games per week has any effect on the rash of injuries? Is there a relation between the number of games (And associated fatigue) in January and the recent injuries?

Respecting the fact that others years have had fewer numbers of injuries, I'm just wondering out loud here.

Thoughts?

New on the board - excuse the unfamiliarity.

I'd like you posters to give the quote from Cager some consideration and thoughts.  How about we do a little brainstorming on what could be done about something that I think has some validity to possible increase in injuries, etc.  By reviewing other conferences such as UMAC, IIAC, and WIAC, note the number of games, number of Teams in the conference and game schedules in January. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Cager on January 22, 2007, 03:09:52 PM
Da-dented- Welcome to the board, don't be a stranger! ;D

I was beginning think no cared...sniff
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 22, 2007, 04:00:09 PM
Thanks!!!  Have read the board and USUALLY enjoyed all of it. Seriously would like to get the thoughts on the January scheduling issue!  No practice time, just shooting and walkthroughs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on January 22, 2007, 11:10:16 PM
Cobbers lose on the road at Carelton by 1.  They let the knights score a layup with 2 secs left in the game.  Tough way to lose.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 23, 2007, 12:09:41 AM
Tough one in Tammyland tonight. Both teams fought hard and had plenty of ref issues to complain about, depending on the flow.

Cobbers spot the Knights a 14 pt. lead and chip away to take a 5 pt. lead in the last 3 minutes.

Before I make a complete fool of myself, I need input from my colleagues who know the rules. I believe that this year, a player on the way out of bounds in not able to call a timeout. Do others undertand that rule this year as well?

I'd appreciate validation or correction.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 23, 2007, 11:08:10 AM
Korn- You're correct. A time out can only be granted to a player with posession of the ball, both feet in bounds and in control of his/her balance.  You're not supposed to get the "falling out of bounds on the sideline" call, the "one foot down on the way out" call, or the old "jumping after a loose ball and calling for the timeout before you land" call either.

Did the Knights (sarcastic gasp) come away with a contested TO in a key situation?  That would never happen with the Terrible one stomping her way around the sidelines...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 23, 2007, 11:43:24 AM
Another interesting night last night as the Knights escaped at home handing the Corn yet another conference blemish.  CSB handled SMU and GAC fended off an unusually hot-shooting Augsburg bunch.  What surprised me was how Bethel handled Hamline (again) and St. Olaf knocking off UST.  ??? ???  What's up with UST, anyway?

Congrats to Jess Vadnais on her 1000-point milestone last night.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 23, 2007, 05:52:31 PM
Collegeville-Thanks, I thought I understood the rule.

So, with 8 seconds on the clock and the Cobbers up by one, a Knight makes a steal at the Cobber end. Falling out of bounds (One foot on the "A" in Carleton on the end line-right in front of me), she calls time out and GETS it! Ref totally blows the call and what's worse, his partners do nothing to help him.

Knights throw a half court pass, make a drive and score with 2 seconds left. No chance for the Cobbers to respond.

Don't get me wrong, Cobbers shot under 40% for the night and spotted the Knights a 14 pt. lead. But, after scratching their way all the back to take a lead and have a blown call determine the outcome re-enfores my position about the poor quality of MIAC officiating.

The league is too competitive for this!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on January 23, 2007, 07:37:11 PM
Quote from: Korn Lover on January 23, 2007, 05:52:31 PM
Collegeville-Thanks, I thought I understood the rule.

So, with 8 seconds on the clock and the Cobbers up by one, a Knight makes a steal at the Cobber end. Falling out of bounds (One foot on the "A" in Carleton on the end line-right in front of me), she calls time out and GETS it! Ref totally blows the call and what's worse, his partners do nothing to help him.

Knights throw a half court pass, make a drive and score with 2 seconds left. No chance for the Cobbers to respond.

Don't get me wrong, Cobbers shot under 40% for the night and spotted the Knights a 14 pt. lead. But, after scratching their way all the back to take a lead and have a blown call determine the outcome re-enfores my position about the poor quality of MIAC officiating.

The league is too competitive for this!

Was it the same officiating crew that blew the call that would have given Carleton the ball at the end of the game in Concordia that Carleton lost when the Cobbers subsequently scored?   :)  Of course, Carleton could have helped its cause in that game by not allowing about 4 offensive rebounds before the game winning points were scored.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 23, 2007, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Da-dented1 on January 22, 2007, 04:00:09 PM
Seriously would like to get the thoughts on the January scheduling issue!  No practice time, just shooting and walkthroughs.

Injuries are a part of athletics, in any sport and at any level. Sadly, ACL injuries are simply much more likely to happen with females.

That said, you can't cut practice time for fear of injuries. Some teams — SMU pops to mind quickly — need as much work as they can get fielding a competitive team. Among the better teams, it may seem a more likely solution...but I still wouldn't recommend it. As someone who spent the better part of my last four athletic seasons (two football, two basketball) doing as you suggest — walkthroughs and shooting, then starting — due to various injuries, it's impossible to step right in and not expect any dropoff in production and/or comfort level. I can't imagine how ugly it'd be if everyone on a team tried that method.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 24, 2007, 12:43:09 AM
Nites- Actually, I think one of the refs was at the game in Moorhead! However, it was not that ref who blew the call.

Like I said, the Cobbers shooting a woeful percentage and poor first half play were major factors in the loss.

Point well taken :D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 24, 2007, 08:12:14 AM
Willy Wonka - Thanks for the input.  Lets think about this as you are going along through this drawn out meatgrinder; the athlete and/or the Coach.
Saturday game, Sunday practice, Monday game, Tuesday practice, Wednesday game, Thursday off, Friday practice, Saturday game etc............
     For example - - Stout from Jan 1 (12 games with 2 weeks where they have 1 game) - - St Bens from Jan 1 (18 games steady grind through Jan and on into Feb). The last 2 weeks 2 games/week, whew!!.  Kudos to Coaches who can do those little things to keep the women sharp.  You board posters have asked "whats going on with UST".  Had the opportunity to see Carleton @ GAC, saw especially 2 rag Dolls "Lincoln and Oken-Berg".  They were either close to ill or Tammy had a pretty go for them the day before. You are the Coach, you see you need some grooming as a Team, and/or you want to install some new wrinkles.  How is this done with this schedule? Who is the MIAC schedule made for?  Who is the WIAC schedule made for? Is this a title 9 Issue?   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on January 24, 2007, 10:08:22 AM
Da-dented1 - How do you see the MIAC schedule as a title 9 issue? MIAC games are double headers with the men and the women playing the same schedule. Although it is a terrible schedule and not conducive to good play or good health, the women are playing an identical schedule as the men. That's equality in this case. I believe that it is imperative that the AD's and coaches address this issue for both men and women when next years schedule is established.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 24, 2007, 10:09:59 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 23, 2007, 09:47:25 PM


Injuries are a part of athletics, in any sport and at any level. Sadly, ACL injuries are simply much more likely to happen with females.

That said, you can't cut practice time for fear of injuries. Some teams — SMU pops to mind quickly — need as much work as they can get fielding a competitive team.
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Man Wonka, SMU must be your favorite team!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on January 24, 2007, 10:17:20 AM
As an afterthought to the schedule. It would be interesting to check with the athletic trainers across the MIAC to see if this season has produced more fatigue and injuries
this year than prior years for both the men's and women's leagues. If the statistics prove out, it would be a strong point toward more reasonable future schedules.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: chapdog on January 24, 2007, 10:32:23 AM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on January 23, 2007, 11:08:10 AM
Korn- You're correct. A time out can only be granted to a player with posession of the ball, both feet in bounds and in control of his/her balance.  You're not supposed to get the "falling out of bounds on the sideline" call, the "one foot down on the way out" call, or the old "jumping after a loose ball and calling for the timeout before you land" call either.

Just want to clarify:
Rule 5-10.1.c
Timeouts not granted "when an airborne player's momentum is carrying him/her out of bounds or into the backcourt."

Key word here = 'airborne'

You can in fact get the falling out of bounds timeout if you have one foot in bounds and control of the ball. Happened in the Oklahoma/Oklahoma St game the other night. Official did not initially grant the timeout request, then reversed his call and awarded it; ruling the player did in fact have control of the ball and one foot on the floor (though he was falling out of bounds).

Quote from: Korn Lover on January 23, 2007, 05:52:31 PM
So, with 8 seconds on the clock and the Cobbers up by one, a Knight makes a steal at the Cobber end. Falling out of bounds (One foot on the "A" in Carleton on the end line-right in front of me), she calls time out and GETS it! Ref totally blows the call and what's worse, his partners do nothing to help him.

If the "A" in Carleton is inbounds, sounds like a good call. If not, either the ref blew it or you saw it wrong.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 24, 2007, 10:54:35 AM
Wonka, are you trying to imply that SMU is the worst team in the MIAC? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 24, 2007, 02:33:58 PM
gacunk - got to thinking after my last post.  That question as to a title 9 issue was a brain bleep.  The prolonged marathon is as though the athletes are playing a month of round-robin MIAC Tourney. 
    Another question may be posed. Who, the MIAC, or the WIAC has an advantage as they proceed into post-season play then?  I realize that most Conferences have only 9 Teams in thier respective Conferences (IAAC, UMAC, WIAC) as examples.  It works out nice for the AD's when it comes to Football however, where SMU is not in it so it ends up with 9 Teams and 8 games.  Lets have more discussion, I won't be able to contribute for a couple of days.  But, I'll be back!!  Keep it moving.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on January 24, 2007, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: gacunk on January 24, 2007, 10:17:20 AM
As an afterthought to the schedule. It would be interesting to check with the athletic trainers across the MIAC to see if this season has produced more fatigue and injuries
this year than prior years for both the men's and women's leagues. If the statistics prove out, it would be a strong point toward more reasonable future schedules.

As a former player, I never had a problem with the January scheduling. I actually liked that it was game, practice, game, practice, game, day off, practice and so on... And, am I missing something? Is there something different about this year's schedule than previous years?

Also, what is the argument about the WIAC's 12 games vs. the MIAC's 18 games over the course of 6 weeks or so? Have you seen them play? I would argue that they are more prone to injury due to the style of basketball they play, not the number of games they play over a 6-week period.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 23, 2007, 09:47:25 PM
Some teams — SMU pops to mind quickly — need as much work as they can get fielding a competitive team.

Thanks alot, Wonka. SMU may be down this year, but give Stimmel a few years and I think he can build the program back up. Don't forget, only two years ago, GAC got beat by SMU in the playoffs. They'll be back...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 25, 2007, 02:04:22 AM
Looks like a big Blazer/Gustie game slated for Saturday...while the Gusties can force a tie atop the standings with a win, I think the Blazers are in a very good position. While the Blazers already have Concordia and Carleton out of the way, the Gusties still have to host the Cobbers and go to Carleton on the last night of the season.

I think the Blazers will be #1 and the Gusties will be #2 heading into the playoffs regardless of what happens on Saturday...after that it's up for grabs really.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2007, 02:19:06 AM
Quote from: she_scores51 on January 24, 2007, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 23, 2007, 09:47:25 PM
Some teams — SMU pops to mind quickly — need as much work as they can get fielding a competitive team.

Thanks alot, Wonka. SMU may be down this year, but give Stimmel a few years and I think he can build the program back up. Don't forget, only two years ago, GAC got beat by SMU in the playoffs. They'll be back...

I didn't say SMU is the worst team in the league. Are they the worst team I've seen this season? I'd say yes, thus my comment, but I've only seen about half the MIAC. Everything goes in cycles, which seems to affect everyone but CSB, so I expect GAC will have its Trisha Neibur redux years soon enough.

As for tonight's action...

The officials tonight for BU/GAC were brutal, perhaps the worst I've ever seen. The first half wasn't terrible, but BU got away with shoving while GAC was penalized for reaching (and rightfully so). Things spiraled out of control in the second half, however.

Play was extremely physical, as the Royals are known to do, and multiple players were on the floor nearly every possession. The refs let just about everything go, with both sides getting fired up at numerous no-calls. As play became more and more ragged, the refs seemed to get flustered, missing egregious calls and making ticky-tack calls moments later (for both teams).

The worst came on a BU save into the backcourt for an easy over-and-back call. Both refs at halfcourt, standing 5 feet away, let it go when a BU player picked it up. About 3 seconds later, the ref under BU's hoop blew his whistle to make the call, 50ish feet away. A timeout was then called and the fans really let the refs have it and deservedly so.

By the end of the game, players were laughing at the calls - but no one was laughing when Vadnais put the game away with two straight 3-pt plays, the second of which seemed to be a phantom foul. It was an embarrassing display of officiating. Thankfully, nothing worse than bumps and bruises seem to have occurred. I honestly hope no one else in the league has to deal with them even again. Is this seriously the best the MIAC can find?...

With the showdown for conference supremacy looming, let's all keep our fingers crossed that this particular crew is already scheduled to be struggling to keep up with a 5th grade girls game in Canada...and then gets their passports stolen so they can't come back.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 25, 2007, 10:14:59 AM
Big night again for Mackenzie O'Neil and the Blazers.  The conference leader in steals hit 6-7 on 3's to go with 5 more thefts.  Although CSB gave up a much better shooting percentage than usual, it's great to see a 10 point win in the despised Knights' gym.

Being the stat fiend that I am, my look over the MIAC individual stats leads me to believe that Durbin has got to be the coach of the year.  Rufsvold at St. Kate's is certainly doing a good job, but consider the following:

1.  CSB's top scorer per game is Ellie Boone, ranked #26 in the MIAC
2.  Boone is CSB's top rebounder, ranked #14 in the MIAC
3.  Nikki Carter is the leader in assists, ranked #14 in the MIAC
4.  No Blazer is in the top 15 in the conference in free throw percentage
5.  No Blazer is in the top 15 in the conferece in defensive rebounds
6.  No Blazer is in the top 15 in the conference in minutes played

Despite all of those numbers, CSB is #4 in scoring offense, and #1 in scoring defense.  That, my friends, is a great coach with a great handle on his player rotation.

Here's one fan excited for the CSB-GAC showdown on Saturday!  Go Blazers!!!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on January 25, 2007, 10:19:21 AM
WW - Your post about the officials at the Gac-Bethel game was right on! Anybody who witnessed that game would have to agree that it was among the worst officiated games in MIAC history. At least it was in the last 9 years I have watched MIAC games, and I have only missed 6 games in nine years. What is the review process for the officials who referee in MIAC? I understand the coaches can send in reports to the head of the officials. If they are not already, maybe some game films should be sent in for review. While the game was degenerating into a rugby match, one of referees big concern was that the Gustavus coach was 1 to 2 feet outside of the "coaching box".

Saturdays game against St Ben is a big game. We can only hope that we have an officiating crew that has some professional ability. These are two very good, well coached teams who like every other team deserve something better than what MIAC has been getting so they can concentrate on playing their best basketball.

Willy, I missed the intent or meaning of the "Trisha Neibur redux". What's that?
All I remember is that Trisha played three years under Peg and her senior year under Micky. I always wondered why she was not used more effectively at post.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 25, 2007, 12:53:51 PM
Chap-Appreciate the clarification.

By the way, the A in Carleton is out of bounds. "Nuff said, game over.

Hageman gets her 1000th point against the Oles last night, congrats to her!

Good first half, 4 point Cobber lead. Oles seem to have found a game, now they need to play it for 40 minutes.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 25, 2007, 06:19:02 PM
Does anybody else think its wrong that you need to average 3.0 assists per game to qualify for the assist/turnover leaderboard? Considering that only five players average more than 3.0 assists, it just seems silly. I think they should lower it to 2.0 to qualify.

Also numerous times this season I have thought that stat crews have shorthanded players when it comes to assists.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 25, 2007, 06:23:36 PM
GAC- I'm responsible for ref bashing and rules interpretations. I'll defer to Collegeville in his quest to annoint Durbin as the second coming of John Wooden  ;)

Don't get testy Collegeville, just poking fun on a slow Thursday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 25, 2007, 07:59:55 PM
While not a huge fan of Durbin, I must admit I think he has done a fine job this season.

By the way, I always look at Bethel's boxscores and always find a curious stat here or there...either the head coach has had a hard time deciding on a rotation or his team is so inconsistent that it hasn't allowed the coach to find a consistent rotation.

Sometimes I look and Cotner has played only 13-15 minutes. The other night she was really the only player for Bethel who looked like she belonged on the floor at all.

Also, Bridget Weber, a senior who comes off the bench for them, had a nice game with 10 points in limited minutes, while starters Hansen (10 turnovers by her self, while GAC had 11 as a team) and Thom (Chucks up the threes like its going out of style) seem to consistenly struggle.  Any thoughts naf layor?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 26, 2007, 10:20:34 AM
gacbacker- I'd agree that Bethel has a roster full of inconsistency.  Of course, any coach who allows/encourages his team to "rugby-ize" all basketball games probably isn't to be trusted farther than you can hip check or forearm toss him.

Any predictions for tomorrow's games?

Oles at Ugs - Olaf by 25
Pipes at Cards - Hamline by 13
Blazers at GAC - St. Ben's by 5
Katies at Cobs - Cobs by 8
Bethel at Carl - Knights by 14
Tommies at MAC - MAC by 1 (upset special)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on January 26, 2007, 10:02:29 PM
I couldn't make the Carleton game so it was a thrill to hear about the victory and now I'm even more excited and nervous for the showdown at GAC Saturday.  I was thinking about how great it is to have games like this to look forward to.  Win or lose, I'm excited to have something to be excited about. 

The St. Kate's/Conc game really could be important because if GAC wins tomorrow and CSB and GAC both win out the rest of the way, it will be either CSB's loss to St. Kate's or GAC's loss to Concordia that would break the tie for the #1 seed.  St. Kate's needs to have a better record the Concordia for CSB to get the tie breaker.  Therefore, it would really be nice if my Blazers could just put that all to rest by winning and controlling their own destiny.  See everyone on Saturday. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 27, 2007, 01:14:58 AM
gacbacker - Do I sense someone trying to butter up the opposition in hopes of an exclusive pregame interview??

The GAC crowd could be weak sauce tomorrow. It's J-term break and most/all students went home tonight. Could be the battle of the parents/siblings tomorrow, which is always fun...

scorekeeper brings up an interesting point. As MM pointed out on the men's side, the rule seems backwards but could make for an interesting finish, IF the Gusties take care of business tomorrow.

As for Bethel...isn't/wasn't Thielke their best player/scorer? How does a senior let herself become academically ineligible?

gacunk - The Trisha Neibur comment was meant as a reflection of past GAC struggles. I seem to recall them being bad to terrible, depending on the night, to watch during those years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 27, 2007, 11:23:04 AM
Wish I could make it down to St. Peter for the CSB - GAC clash this afternoon.  Let's hope that the officiating isn't as horrible as it sounds like it was on Wednesday night during the Bethel game.  Must have been an absolute travesty.  Fortunately, GAC did find a way to win, though.

The Knights, on the other hand, weren't as fortunate the other night vs. the red-clad Blazers.  From not having been there I can only speculate as to what went down but I can imagine that CSB somehow was able to take advantage of the inexperienced Knights backcourt, much as the Gusties did a week ago.  I still think Carleton is a solid enough playoff team but it may be the first year since 2000 that the Knights fail to make the MIAC Championship game.

The MIAC playoff picture is becoming more and more clear although the 6th spot appears to be a battle between UST, Hamline, and possibly the Christians.  UST certainly has the size and speed to be one of the top teams in the conference but predicting how they'll do on any given game day is a lot like playing Russian roulette.  I'd like Hamline's chances better if they had a healthy Rochelle Sather back in the line-up but that ankle she did not too long ago looks terrible and she could be out awhile. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 27, 2007, 12:35:22 PM

Thanks alot, Wonka. SMU may be down this year, but give Stimmel a few years and I think he can build the program back up. Don't forget, only two years ago, GAC got beat by SMU in the playoffs. They'll be back...
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SS51 - Fear not.  That dubious distinction belongs to Augsburg - at least this year anyway.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 27, 2007, 02:29:33 PM
For the record Wonka, you need to check your facts.  Thielke is not ineligible, and will be back in uniform by the end of January.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 27, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
Yeah I've heard both the ineligible rumor and that she was out of the country on a mission trip for the month of January.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 27, 2007, 04:56:41 PM
First half was much easier to stomach for Gustie fans.  27-17 GAC.  CSB matches their season average (per game) for turnovers with 13, and the GAC guards are playing tough D.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 27, 2007, 05:36:10 PM
CSB brings it back to a 4-point game with 3 minutes left, after facing a 21 point deficit halfway through the second...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 27, 2007, 05:57:33 PM
Monahan and Vadnais both hit the 20 point mark, and it's over.  66-58.

CSB reverted to some old habits of past teams in the cavern known as Gus Young, and misfired consistently from the outside for the first 30 minutes of the game.  If the Blazers had held on to the ball in the first half, the end result may have been very different.

CSB and GAC tied for the conference lead with two losses each, and the race is on!  This fan is glad that GAC still goes to St. Kate's, hosts Concordia, and finishes the season at Carleton.

CSB's toughest 3 contests left are all at home: Bethel, St. Kate's, and St. Thomas.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 27, 2007, 07:51:32 PM
Great win for the Gusties, as Collegeville Magic pointed out, Vadnais and Monahan really earned their stripes today. After the furious rally cut the 21 point lead to 4, Vadnais calmly nailed a three pointer out of the timeout that was the back breaker for the Blazers.

I thought the Blazers really missed Kempe today, with the three's not falling for the first 33 minutes, they had nobody to penetrate the lane to free up some easy looks for Boone or Tauer.

The Blazers are still in pretty good shape though to get the number one seed. I think they can win out and finish with 2 losses. The Gusties, who have now won 8 straight, would have to win 7 more, for a 15 game win streak to remain in that first place tie...tough to do in this conference.

Gusties need to enjoy the win, but make sure there is no let down on Wednesday against a pesky St. Kate's team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on January 27, 2007, 10:35:55 PM
Nice win this afternoon for the Cobber girls.  St. Kates is very balanced offensively.  Some interesting stats were ST. K's had 21 TO/21 Assists while the cobbers had 14 assists/14 steals.

The cobbers finished with 14 TO's and St. K's had 6 steals.  Cobbers had an advantage on the boards as well.

Overall a good comeback win for Cobbs!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 28, 2007, 12:07:52 AM
GAC- I wish CSB could shoot tht poorly against the Cobbers, they shot lights out in both games. Thanks for making it interesting and congrats on the win.

Questions for my rules friends. When a shot clock sits at the top of tha backboard, ins't the entire top of the back board out of bounds? I seem to recall this. Help! :D

I had a chance to speak with a couple Royals folks at the Cobbers game there. He did say Theilke was on a mission trip.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 28, 2007, 02:33:56 PM
EC - Apologies, sort of. For someone with all the answers and who is close, personal friends with all the coaches around the league, you sure make a nice habit of avoiding sharing any info until you can vaguely point out mistakes in your ever-so-kindly fashion. If I cared enough to check my Bethel facts, I'd have called Thielke's cousin - who I dominate annually in fantasy football - to get the goods. Thankfully, messages boards are a good place for unconfirmed rumors.

Anyway...thank God for the GAC women yesterday or I'd be crying about the SJU score...

I think it turned out well for both CSB and GAC. The Bennies built some momentum and confidence for the rest of the year - and for the next time they play GAC - with their finish while the Gusties were shown they must play to the buzzer, as a 20-point lead nearly went up in smoke in about 3 minutes.

Vadnais and Monahan were dominant yesterday, making a good case for co-MVP against the best in the MIAC. Vadnais got to the hoop when she wanted and stepped back to hit big 3s when she had to, as gacbacker pointed out. Monahan used and abused the Bennie posts all day.

CSB was absolutely awful until about the middle of the second half. I think they had something like 26 points through 30 minutes, as they were quite painful to watch offensively. Their getting hot coincided with GAC leaving a few girls open on the perimeter and they built confidence from there.

Was the injured Kempe or the slow-as-molasses Noreen the recipient of the preseason accolades on D3Hoops.com? I hadn't ever seen either play until yesterday, so I'm really hoping - for Pat's credibility - it was Kempe. Schmidt and McKenzie were impressive, though Mindy got packed hard late in the game on what appeared to be a pretty brutal call.

Also, what's it going to take for a MIAC team to get a vote for the Top 25? And when do the first region rankings come out?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 28, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
Willy, sadly it was Noreen who was named pre-season all-american. It was a pick that I said was disgusting when it was announced. It appears to be a, "well we need a player from the MIAC, lets just take the best player from St. Ben's since they're usually pretty good" pick. I think its safe to say she won't be garnering any post-season awards with the exception of an all-conference honor.

I also agree that the Gusties should be included in the next top 25...at 16-2 they deserve it at this point.  As far as region rankings, two of the top teams in the West who are both ranked in the top 25 (Simpson and Puget Sound) both lost last week for their fourth loss. The Gusties could be #1 in the west.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 28, 2007, 10:46:57 PM
A lot of things to post up about: congrats to GAC, the Cobs, and the Kitties for the way they battled this last weekend against the Cobs.  I would still like to know who has the advantage - the MIAC with their 16 game schedule OR the WIAC with their 12 game schedule when it comes to post season play.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2007, 10:53:45 PM
I'm not sure Gustavus had a win worth talking about before this weekend. Maybe Carleton. But now two maybe pretty good wins are worth one pretty good win?

Willy: Not every scouting report we get is good.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 29, 2007, 08:00:11 AM
Pat,

Not sure what win the Gusties have had this season so far that "wasn't worth talking about" but I've seen other teams like Scranton go down hard recently yet they've been able to retain their lofty ranking so why is it so hard for a top tier MIAC team - in this case GAC - to get a national ranking that they deservedly warrant? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2007, 09:48:49 AM
Yet who did they beat to prove they warranted this?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 29, 2007, 01:46:06 PM
gacbacker- I'd hold up a little before calling Darby's pre-season pick "disgusting".  She's one of the best outside shooters in the conference, and was the second scoring threat last year behind Heikenen for CSB.  Unfortunately, she's also the player who's been directly affected the most by the graduation of Heikenen and the injuries to Kempe and Dalhed.  Noreen's scoring comes from A) open looks from the 3-point line, and B) drives to the hoop and the resulting foul shots.

Unfortunately, the loss of Heikenen inside and Kempe's driving/dishing means that Darby's defenders haven't had to sag to help as often this season.  Add that to the fact that refs aren't calling the smacks she takes on drives to the hoop this year, and her numbers are definitely down.

I agree that Monahan should have received a LOT more press than she did before the season, as she's the most dominant player in the conference.  That being said, it's fair to say that the MIAC doesn't have as many "WOW" players as it did a few years ago.  The general level of play has gone up across the board, making for fewer gaudy nights of stats against totally inept opponents.

Pat- Amen.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 29, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
Pat- they can only play the schedule they have. Apparently, the only two games on their schedule this year that can be considered impressive wins are the games against St. Ben's? So they went 1-1 in those games.

Tell me where is Simpson's impressive win that they deserve to be ranked in the top 25 with what was three losses and now 4. Including a loss to a very mediocre Buena Vista team.

Luther is also still receiving votes in the top 25 despite 4 losses, including one to a 9-9 Loras team and another to a six loss UW-Whitewater team. Luther's only good wins are against Simpson, who has proved nothing themselves.

Puget Sound has a little bit more of an argument to be in the 25 than the Iowa schools...being that two of their losses are to 17-1 Calvin and an NAIA D2 school in Warner Pacific that is 9-14 on the season...but now 2 losses to a 5-loss George Fox team.

Pacific Lutheran was in the rankings just two weeks ago and they now have 7 losses.

It sure seems like the pollsters are giving a lot of teams in the west region some slack with the exception of the Gusties.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 29, 2007, 03:17:00 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on January 29, 2007, 01:46:06 PM
...on drives to the hoop this year...

I assume most are similar to Noreen's lone Gary Trent-ish looking drive she made Saturday.

I'm extremely interested to see the region rankings, as those are what truly matter. I've got to believe the MIAC will have both GAC and CSB right up there - weren't the Bennies early losses out east? Anyone remember when the first one comes out?

At the end of the day, Pat's polls are just for posterity...and to make people like us upset :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2007, 03:51:32 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 29, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
Pat- they can only play the schedule they have.

Like every other team in D-III. So?

Quote from: gacbacker on January 29, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
Apparently, the only two games on their schedule this year that can be considered impressive wins are the games against St. Ben's? So they went 1-1 in those games.

Which only happened this week. Before that: 0-1. Hard to make a quality argument that they've been overlooked to date based on a game they hadn't played yet.

So yes, PLU dropped out, appropriately. If you're going to be all up in a huff about the seven votes Luther has this week (at least so far, with a few ballots out) then you're wasting your breath. It's not a Top 25 spot by any stretch.

Simpson has a win against a team that was in the Top 25 and is still getting a fair amount of votes. Again, until Saturday, GAC could not say the same.

Quote from: gacbacker on January 29, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
It sure seems like the pollsters are giving a lot of teams in the west region some slack with the exception of the Gusties.

Hard to cry regional bias then. GAC has votes this week but doubtless not as much as you want.

Regional rankings start a week from Wednesday, if the NCAA can get them out on time this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 30, 2007, 12:16:17 AM
Well 12 votes is an improvement I guess...at least they got more votes than Simpson and Luther.

The thing that is ridiculous this week and pretty much shows how mis-guided the pollsters are...Wash U goes from being unranked to #11 in one week AND, AND gets a first place vote with 4 losses! My god, that team could go .500 for the season and still get an at-large berth to the big dance on reputation alone.

I don't care if they beat Duke, Maryland and North Carolina last week, you don't go from unranked to #11 in one week. At least now we know that Nancy Fahey's dad is one of the voters.

Bennies- don't fool yourself, Noreen does not have a good drive to the basket.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 12:39:20 AM
They were in the "top 30" -- it's not like they weren't on the radar.

Reputation? Hardly. They went 1-3 and dropped out. But look what they've done since then -- while playing more ranked teams last weekend alone than GAC will see its entire regular season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 30, 2007, 01:11:13 AM
Well Pat go back into the archives and find me an instance (D1, D2, D3) when a team went from unranked to #11 in one week and received a first place vote....then I'll agree that the poll is legitimate.

My gosh, a little defensive aren't we? You can't even admit that the jump was a little odd? Your own website is reporting that it is the largest gain in votes in a single week in the history of poll!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 01:24:47 AM
Sure. But that makes it illegitimate? Dude, whatever. Just because it's never happened before doesn't mean it's illegitimate. Shoot, why does this automatically mean THIS week's poll is wrong? Perhaps LAST week's poll is wrong. Perhaps more voters should've reacted to the way Wash U dismantled Rochester the weekend before.

You can't handle a change in the status quo? That must make life difficult. :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 30, 2007, 11:09:27 AM
Pat,

I'm still stunned somewhat that GAC, with it's record anyway, doesn't get into the top 25 while some teams (as GACbacker mentioned) are still hanging around in that lofty group with more losses than GAC.  So far, they've split with CSB (I suspect the rubber match will come in the MIAC Championship game) and also have soundly defeated a solid Carleton squad that will be in the MIAC playoff mix.  Perhaps this question should have been asked at the beginning of the season:  Why the lack of respect for GAC?  You have two high-calibre players in Bri Monahan and Jess Vadnais that, so far anyway, have helped their team compile a 16-2 record and are currently tied for first place in the conference.  I have nothing against CSB but they sure seem to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a preseason ranking and/or preseason player picks.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 30, 2007, 11:48:55 AM
Speaking of defensive...take a look at these three stats and let's hear anyone make a legit case for the third player earning postseason awards last season and preseason awards this year. If your name isn't Durbin and/or he's the only MIAC person you rely on for input, I'd wager it's impossible.

16.3 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.9 SPG, 42% FG, 87% FT
19.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 1.0 APG, 0.9 BPG, 2.1 SPG, 52% FG, 78% FT
11.8 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.5 SPG, 82% FT, 49% 3-point (No other stats available per the web site)

1) Vadnais
2) Monahan
3) Noreen

I'd love to hear Pat's explanation for this one, since he clearly doesn't want to talk about GAC getting no respect from his pollsters.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 30, 2007, 11:09:27 AM
Pat,

I'm still stunned somewhat that GAC, with it's record anyway, doesn't get into the top 25 while some teams (as GACbacker mentioned) are still hanging around in that lofty group with more losses than GAC.

You seem to be talking about the Top 25 like it is standings. It's not. It's a ranking. We don't simply list teams in order of winning percentage.

Willy, if I recall October accurately, I believe we thought someone who was shooting 49% from three-point range and was going to have to be relied on to score more would actually do so. It's a preseason projection, man. At some point you might want to get over it. Not all projections pan out, right?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 30, 2007, 01:50:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 30, 2007, 11:09:27 AM
Pat,

I'm still stunned somewhat that GAC, with it's record anyway, doesn't get into the top 25 while some teams (as GACbacker mentioned) are still hanging around in that lofty group with more losses than GAC.

You seem to be talking about the Top 25 like it is standings. It's not. It's a ranking. We don't simply list teams in order of winning percentage.

In other words, there is no rhyme or reason for our votes so quit arguing with me  ::)

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
Willy, if I recall October accurately, I believe we thought someone who was shooting 49% from three-point range and was going to have to be relied on to score more would actually do so. It's a preseason projection, man. At some point you might want to get over it. Not all projections pan out, right?

Projections are fine and dandy. But this projection seems a little like predicting the Vikings to win the Super Bowl with Brad Johnson winning the MVP and then getting indignant when someone points out how asinine that is and arguing "but his completion percentage was really good last year and he's the starter now!"
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 01:56:06 PM
Comparing the last honorable mention guard spot to a prediction of a title and championship MVP? Spare me.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 30, 2007, 02:28:43 PM
I think Willy and the rest of us are more upset with the absence of Monahan and Vadnais in pre and post season awards than the inclusion of Ms. Noreen.

Not that we only have d3hoops.com to complain to...the coaches in our own conference screwed Monahan over by choosing Heikenen as the MVP last year.

I think we've all made our points and Pat has shown the ability the rebut them all with some level of reasonable argument...let's move on.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 31, 2007, 02:29:42 AM
Puget Sound beat Pacific Lutheran 67-60 tonight in a game that Gustie fans would have liked to have seen go the other way. With the Gusties really the only team in the conference with a shot at getting an at large berth if they should happen to lose in the MIAC championship game, the more losses to the better teams in the region the better.

Other random notes that really have no significance:

-Augsburg will be the first team to become mathmatically eliminated from the MIAC playoffs today with a loss or a win by either Hamline or St. Thomas.

-Gustavus is currently on pace to break the MIAC record for free throw percentage for a season. The current record is held by last year's Concordia squad which shot 74.1 percent. The Gusties are currently shooting 76.2% in conference play.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 05:32:01 AM
You're really competing with all conferences around the country for Pool C bids, remember, not just the ones in your region.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on January 31, 2007, 12:42:17 PM
GAC- If you have games left against Bethel, St. Thomas and Augsburg, you have a shot :D

Cobbers won't give it up easily though, as long as Hageman gets to the line, she's money! Keely's no slouch either.

Everybody lay off the fouls on the Gusties!

Good luck to all tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 31, 2007, 07:05:29 PM
All you GACsters are way too easily riled up.  We have many weeks left before we can worry about how the NCAA committee will inevitably screw something up, so yelling about the whole voting thing really doesn't help a thing.

Were Monahan and Vadnais overlooked on relatively worthless pre-season lists?  Yes.  Nobody's arguing that.
Predictions for tonight?

GAC at St. Kate's - GAC by 2 on a contested last second shot that will give the Gustie fans a reason to suddenly defend the refs

Bethel at CSB - Blazers by 10, and one of the Christians finally confesses to her muggings in the lane on D, prompting feverish prayers from the Bethel bench

Carleton at UST - Knights by 1, Carleton winning when a last second shot by the Tommies is knocked off the rim by an especially powerful stomp/scream combo from Tammy. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 31, 2007, 09:15:04 PM
CM - Welcome back, buddy. Curious that you'd disappear for four days after a loss only to come back with a snide remark about the team that beat you. I mean, I never would have guessed it ::)

Gusties in a dogfight with St. Kates. It's 43-42 CSC at the half. For reference, GAC only allows 53ish per game in the league and held the Katies to 49 in dismantling them in the first meeting.

I'm home sick and may not stay awake til the end of the game, so this may be my only update. Hopefully I don't miss anything too terrible...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 31, 2007, 09:24:36 PM
Wonks- If I didn't already disregard everything you said in here, I'd be offended.

CSB taking Bethel behind the proverbial woodshed with a 17-point halftime lead.  Mackenzie O'Steal, I mean O'Neil is taking the ball away left and right, and Noreen is 3-3 from behind the arch.  She really sucks.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 31, 2007, 09:58:24 PM
73-47 CSB, nobody injured by Bethel elbows, so that counts as two wins for the Blazers.

Any other updates out there?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 01, 2007, 12:48:57 AM
Gusties win a weird one against St. Kate's...The Gusties pushed it out to around a 14-17 point lead three different times and each time either Berglund, Petrich or Schneider would all the sudden become Lindsay Whalen and single handedly bring the Wildcats back into the game.

Monahan had 28 and was dominant...Vadnais had 22 and 8 assists but I think even she would admit it wasn't her best game, which says ALOT.

Radtke is the best freshman point guard in this league since Mandy Pearson...with the Gusties clinging to a 4 point lead with just over a minute remaining, she drove to the rack for a left handed lay-up and was fouled...made the free throw and the Gusties had it in the bag.

I'm just glad the Gusties walked away from this guy fairly injury-free. For a moment there I thought either Ashley Busch or Trish Johnson was going to decapitate Monahan before the night was over.  ;D

I, like Willy, wondered if maybe the Catholic church up there in St. Joseph had perhaps enacted a no-posting law after the Bennies lost in St. Peter...glad to see that is over with now that Bethel got their pants handed to them.

Congrats to Heather Davis on getting her 1,000th point tonight.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 01, 2007, 01:05:36 AM
Cobbers cruise in revenge at home against a hapless Macalaster squad. Nice to see Keely back on form. Noted the Scots got a little dirty in this one, be careful all you yet to play them.

Carleton loss makes things interesting and a possible home game for the Cobbers in the tournament.

Don't count us out yet! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 01, 2007, 02:24:00 AM
Not to re-open old wounds, but Simpson lost again tonight to a 9-9 Loras team...further evidence that they didn't belong in the top 25
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 03:52:10 AM
Nor did Gustavus beat anyone that improved their Top 25 resume ... though I thought you said we were done. :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 01, 2007, 04:40:39 AM
There's a lot of teams in the top 25 without a top 25 resume.

And did I mention anything about Gustavus? Although I think the win over a team (St. Kate's) who beat St. Ben's (a previous 25 team) is a pretty good win.

It's a better result than what #10 UW-Stout got tonight....who by the way has 4 losses now....one to a horrible Finlandia team....and just like the Gusties has only one good win (McMurry)...but hey throw em in the top ten...why not?

Logically, Gustavus should be the #2 team in the nation...since they beat Carleton who beat Ponoma Pitzer who beat Mass-Boston who beat Eastern Connecticut who beat Salem State who beat Williams who beat Bates who beat Maine-Farmington who beat #23 Maine Maritime who beat #2 Bowdoin.  ;)

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 05:05:09 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 01, 2007, 04:40:39 AM
And did I mention anything about Gustavus?

Spare me. It's obvious what you were implying.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 01, 2007, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on January 31, 2007, 09:24:36 PM
CSB taking Bethel behind the proverbial woodshed with a 17-point halftime lead.  Mackenzie O'Steal, I mean O'Neil is taking the ball away left and right...

"O'Steal": 22 points allowed, 4 fouls, 0 steals. Nuf said.

Quote from: Collegeville Magic on January 31, 2007, 09:24:36 PM
...and Noreen is 3-3 from behind the arch.  She really sucks.

If I needed a basket in crunch time, Noreen would be in the bottom five of the MIAC guards I'd choose to create it. If I needed a player to hit a wide open 3, she'd be top five. If that makes an all-american, I'm in the wrong business.

But on to more important issues...isn't it about time CM calls for Durbin's head, like he did for little Gags on the football board after the Bethel loss? I mean, CSB is only tied for the conference lead, second in assists, third in scoring, third in shooting percentage and fourth in field goal percentage defense. Those are actually much worse numbers than the Johnnie offense was putting up when the call was made. I'm waiting, CM, unless you're still going to claim this isn't the same poster it's been over the years  ::)

Gusties are a top 25 team right now, no ifs ands or buts about it. But I'm not going to keep arguing the point or Pat will start deleting my posts and/or ban me for not agreeing with him.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 01, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
I won't be as lame as to quote myself, but I will use some stats to back up my previous post. Noreen has 128 shots on the season, third most on the team. More than 70% of them have come from beyond the arc. She's currently 11-for-37 (29%) on 2-pointers with 25 free throws in 19 games, making a pretty pitiful case for her supposed penchant for driving.

Now, if those stats don't scream one-dimensional player, I don't know what does.

Also, has anyone seen Augsburg's Kristina Lurken play? Until last night she was leading the league in assists at 4.2 to go along with 10+ points and nearly 5 rebounds a night. I realize Auggie Tech is terrible, but those are some pretty nice numbers. Thoughts on her game?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 01, 2007, 06:04:48 PM
WW- Augsburg has two players who belong on an MIAC roster and Lurken is one of them...somebody has to get the stats.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 01, 2007, 06:12:09 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 01, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
I won't be as lame as to quote myself, but I will use some stats to back up my previous post. Noreen has 128 shots on the season, third most on the team. More than 70% of them have come from beyond the arc. She's currently 11-for-37 (29%) on 2-pointers with 25 free throws in 19 games, making a pretty pitiful case for her supposed penchant for driving.

Now, if those stats don't scream one-dimensional player, I don't know what does.

Also, has anyone seen Augsburg's Kristina Lurken play? Until last night she was leading the league in assists at 4.2 to go along with 10+ points and nearly 5 rebounds a night. I realize Auggie Tech is terrible, but those are some pretty nice numbers. Thoughts on her game?
Willy, I haven't gotten into any debates with you for quite a while but maybe its time to start a discussion. I know your hatred for St Bens makes you want to knock any Bennie player but Noreen is one I would guess any MIAC team would love to have. Darby hasn't driven to the basket nearly as much this year as in the past because of having a different type of team. Without Anna being  double and triple teamed, Darby is getting much more attention on defense, we all know she doesn't have the speed to go around a good defender, so she has turned into much more of a passer and takes the drive or the 3 point shot when its appropriate. After missing the first couple of games and taking a while to get into playing shape she has really come on lately. I guess being 13-2 in the MIAC isn't to bad. This might be Durbins best year ever in coaching. Lost an all american, Anna, has had season ending injury to the all conference point guard and and extended injury to starting wing. Still 13 and 2 in MIAC. Definately the leading candiate for coach of the year. While I'm talking about coaches, wow is that Bethel coach bad!! I said it earlier this year and it was confirmed last night. He has no rotation, leaves his players in way too long and seems to have no adjustment after half. Bethel is a very talented team and should be better. I also noticed him taking one of his players last night (can't remember the #) off to the side but in full view of all the fans, and obviously reading her the riot act. It was a classless move in my opinion. If you need to say something in private, do it in private, instead he made a spectacle of the fact that he needed to take her aside and did it for all to see. Just my opinion!! >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 01, 2007, 08:22:10 PM
BG - I agree with almost every one of your points. The only thing I'd dispute - besides the fact that the Bennies are 13-2 :) - is the coach of the year vote. With Haller adjusting to a new assistant (losing who many, including myself, thought was much of the reason for their success the last few years in Aaron Kahl) and working in three freshman - two starters - into the rotation, she's done a nice job as well. They'll be 1-2 in the voting, but it will be interesting to see which way it sways. I'd guess the last four games could decide it, especially if either team falters.

Noreen is a good player and her shooting would be a great addition to the Gustie lineup. If my obviously aggressive postings have made it seem otherwise, I apologize. She'll be all-conference...but all-american? C'mon. I'm still waiting for the day Pat admits he was wrong and/or made a mistake (Yes, predictions can be and often are criticized. Especially when they're terrible.).

The Bethel team is a mess. Its post minutes are so sporatic it's crazy and their whole back court was different from the first to the second time GAC played them — the Thielke thing played a part, obviously. The second game was the bad ref affair, making any screaming he did warranted tho so I can't comment much on that aspect of his coaching.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2007, 05:12:29 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 01, 2007, 02:33:37 PM
Gusties are a top 25 team right now, no ifs ands or buts about it. But I'm not going to keep arguing the point or Pat will start deleting my posts and/or ban me for not agreeing with him.

I'd sure love to know what I did to you to make you act like such a prick to me at every possible turn. Sheesh.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 02, 2007, 02:14:40 PM
Besides snubbing GAC over the last 18 months as religiously as you've smited me over the last two weeks you mean?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 02, 2007, 03:10:59 PM
Willy, some people are just stubburn. Sid Hartman still thinks Glen Mason is a great football coach; Kevin McHale still thinks that the Timberwolves' problems have nothing to do with his incompetance and Pat thinks that his top 25 is without a flaw.  We can laugh at Sid and Kevin, just add a third to the group.

Pat how many spots do you suppose Wash U will rise up the poll next week if they lose to NYU tonight?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 02, 2007, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 02, 2007, 03:10:59 PM

Pat how many spots do you suppose Wash U will rise up the poll next week if they lose to NYU tonight?

In all fairness to Wash U, who I know nothing about, 3 of their 4 losses were to teams with combined records of 49-6!  Take a look below at the records of the teams in the UAA Conference: three 16-2 teams, one 14-3 and Wash U at 14-2.  Gaudy to say the least.  However, that right there probably highlights one of the challenges for MIAC teams, which is they don't play many non-conference games and then they end up beating each other up because they play each team in the conference twice and then have a conference tourney.  You can't have multiple teams with stellar records in a conference that plays as many conference games as the MIAC unless you have a really big conference where half the teams are very weak.

All this puts a premium on the few MIAC non-conference games.  When the league doesn't fare well in these games, there is no real metric against which to measure them.  Thus, GAC may have a 16-2 record, but it's hard to tell how good the team is (by the way, I happen to think they're pretty good).  The other thing that seems to help in the rankings is how well the team (or other conference teams) fared in the NCAA tourney the previous year.  The Tommies' men's team is a good example of this.  The reason they have been ranked as high as fourth and have stayed near the top is they made a good strong run in the tourney last year and they had their three (2?) best players back from that team.  If they had the tourney success they had last year, they likely would not even be in the top 15.

2006-2007 UAA Women's Basketball Standings
    Conference Only       Overall

   
Washington U. 6 1 .857        14 4 .778
Chicago 5 2 .714                   16 2 .889
New York University 5 2 .714 16 2 .889  
Rochester 5 2 .714               16 2 .889   
Brandeis 4 3 .571                 14 3 .824
Carnegie Mellon 2 5 .286      8 10 .444
Emory 1 6 .143                      7 11 .389
Case Western Reserve 0 7 .000 8 10 .444  

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 02, 2007, 06:56:25 PM
Wow - I leave for a few weeks, come back and all the Gackers are attacking Pat and D3 hoops.  I thought all of us CSB fans were the only unrealistic and overly optimistic ones on this board!  The Gackers beat CSB once this year and the Gacker fans are ready to annoit them the national title.  Who needs D3 hoops?  Who needs rankings?  Why play the tourney?  Let's engrave the title to the Gackers and end the suspense...the national title and not even the MIAC title.  Why bother with the rest of the conference schedule or tourney...the Gackers have it wrapped up!

It is odd that so much is being placed on PRE-season predictions about players.  The Gackers have two great and deserving players they will probably get accolades when it matters most - at the END of the season.  As for the national rankings...yawn.  Who cares?  There is no exact science to it and, as the results suggest, there are many teams with claims to the top spot or a spot in the top 25.  But, as a CSB fan I would be just fine with the Gackers being in the top ten - especially since the Blazers beat them by 15 earlier this season. 

I think I'll also hold off on awarding the Gackers a title for now as they definitely have some flaws as a team...they are only two players deep offensively and if one of them has an off night of scoring they are in big trouble - especially against a good team.  I say this no matter how good Gacker fans think Radtke might be.  That being said, the Big Two have not had many off nights so those two deserve credit for carrying the entire offensive load --- because it is ALL on the shoulders of those two at that end of the court... 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 03, 2007, 12:44:10 AM
Blazerball, I can see how you would think that the Gusties are only two-deep on offense, but if you look at other teams' stats, there's really not that much of a difference.

Gustavus' third leading scorer (Julia Schultz) averages 6.1 per game. Compare that to the third leading scorer on the other top teams and its really not that different.

Carleton: Lincoln 10.2
St. Kate's: Petrich 10.1
Hamline: Sather 8.7
Concordia: Freudenberg 8.3
St. Ben's: Schmidt: 7.9
St. Thomas: Kaiser: 7.7

Also I would add that when the University of Minnesota went to the final four in 2003, they were largely a two person team on offense with Whalen and McCarville...I believe Schonrock was the third leading scorer at about 8-9 points per game that year.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 01:15:15 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 02, 2007, 02:14:40 PM
Besides snubbing GAC over the last 18 months as religiously as you've smited me over the last two weeks you mean?

Snubbing the 19-7 2005-06 team? What accolades was I PERSONALLY supposed to give them? Or are we talking about the 19-8 men's basketball team which we snubbed to the tune of a Top 20 overranking -- peaking at No. 11 as late as Dec. 8?

Come on now ... Gustavus has gotten more than its fair share from D3hoops.com, even though you personally have given me more than my fair share of grief. It's really unwarranted.

Come up with a real reason, please. The smiting (and this isn't just from me, btw) isn't the reason you don't like me -- it's the result of your pissiness.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 01:18:38 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 02, 2007, 03:10:59 PM
Pat how many spots do you suppose Wash U will rise up the poll next week if they lose to NYU tonight?

Can't remember the last time Wash U rose while losing. Not many teams rise while losing to teams ranked beneath them. So I would be surprised if that happened.

Lose the chip on your shoulder. It's blinding you.

BTW, Boese, the GAC you think I dislike voted on the D3hoops.com Top 25 for two years. If I hated them, why would I give Hanson a ballot??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 03, 2007, 01:22:55 AM
I'm not the one calling people "pricks" and accusing them of "pissiness". Who's got the chip?

Pool C Watch: Williams, currently considered the 28th best team, by the top 25 poll gang, lost tonight for their 4th loss of the season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 01:25:32 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 03, 2007, 01:22:55 AM
I'm not the one calling people "pricks" and accusing them of "pissiness". Who's got the chip?

Backer, if you were attacked personally by the same person over the course of 18 months you might get a bit tired of it too. Thanks for noticing.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 03, 2007, 02:05:10 AM
Interesting, now those in Gackland are comparing GAC to the University of Minnesota and Vadnais and Monahan to Whalen and McCarville.  Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.  Then again, what should be expected from the Gackers with their irrational arguments about rather meaningless Top 25 rankings and PRE-season predictions?  For those accusing Blazer fans of wearing red-tinted glasses it sure appears the Gackers are wearing the gold-tinted brand.  Actually, the black glasses are on, as they cannot really see that their team-while talented-has significant flaws.  But, it must be exciting for the team and their fans to have won a national title last Saturday...oops, I mean, beat CSB in St. Peter last Saturday.

You take Vadnais and Monahan and I will take Whalen and McCarville if you want to make the comparison.  Believe what you want but there is no real balance with the Gackers and that will ultimately be their undoing.  If they go on to win a national title I will gladly eat my words but I do not see them heading to the Final Four with only two offensive weapons (although Gackers think they should be given a berth in the Final Four after beating CSB last Saturday).  There is nobody I see on that team capable of leading the Gackers to victory other than Monahan or Vadnais (and they need BOTH of them to go off in order to beat a good team).  The only time this season they were not led in scoring by one of those two players they were drilled by 15.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 03, 2007, 02:15:05 AM
While I have happened to disagree with Pat a couple of times the last two weeks, at least his arguments are better prepared than yours Blazerball.

Did you really think I was putting Vadnais and Monahan on the same talent level as Whalen and McCarville? I said their situation within their team is similar.

By the way, the Gusties have had a third player (that means someone other than Vadnais and Monahan) score in double figures in six of their last seven games.

If it makes you feel like the Blazers have a better chance in the playoffs to beat the Gusties, by all means continue to think that the Gusties are a two-woman team. Let's just say we're not worried about it in St. Peter.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2007, 04:13:45 AM
People pulling late night posts left and right and fiestiness everywhere! I love it! I hope the Prez, a Johnnie, is proud of me for riling up so many.

First of all, bg, no one is handing GAC anything. They earned the win last week, in case you missed it. Does that mean they won't lose the rest of the season? Of course not. Nothing is decided as yet. They could lose out, as could the Bennies.

I'm simply confused as to what voters (ie Pat) see in Noreen. She earned postseason honors on this site a year ago and redic preseason honors this year. Meanwhile, Whalen and McCarville - 2 of the top 3/4 MVP candidates last season and, obviously, this season (with Noreen no where in sight) - got nothing a year ago and got snubbed again this preseason. Personally, it seems somene needs to update his sources in the MIAC if these are to be legit awards.

Also, I'm a little confused as to how Hanson pertains to the voting of the women's top 25. Isn't this the women's board? If he's one of the voters keeping Haller's team out of the polls, we have a completely different issue to tackle.

My identity was never a secret - anyone who can run a mouse can click on my name, see my email address and put 2+2 together. Heck, I've even received a few emails over the years - a Carleton parent was my favorite, for what it's worth. However, your use of my real name suggest we're taking the gloves off. Do we really want to go there? Think about it and get back to me, Patty cakes. I'm humming Bachman Turner Overdrive already in anticipation.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 04:29:01 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2007, 04:13:45 AM
I'm simply confused as to what voters (ie Pat) see in Noreen. She earned postseason honors on this site a year ago

Willy:

As a member of the media, I would hope you would get your facts straight. She earned one postseason honor last season -- second-team All-Region. I have no role whatsoever in the selection of the All-Region teams. You should know better. Or at least be able to read.

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/index.html

"There were 596 players nominated nationwide. The ballot was then made available to SIDs, who voted for 10 players in their region. SIDs voted for six frontcourt players and four backcourt players, to insure balance."

If you want to bitch and moan about an honor from October when we're 17-18 games into the season in February, Boese, do it on your own time. Write a column for your newspaper. The preseason is OVER. Sheesh.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2007, 04:13:45 AM
Also, I'm a little confused as to how Hanson pertains to the voting of the women's top 25. Isn't this the women's board? If he's one of the voters keeping Haller's team out of the polls, we have a completely different issue to tackle.

It's to show that I don't have anything against GAC, contrary to your assertions.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2007, 04:13:45 AM
However, your use of my real name suggest we're taking the gloves off. Do we really want to go there? Think about it and get back to me, Patty cakes. I'm humming Bachman Turner Overdrive already in anticipation.

Yawn. You annoy me, for sure. But you don't scare me.

Here's what I don't get -- I LIKE Gustavus Adolphus. I spent some time on campus in high school and loved the place. We have gotten great cooperation from the professionals in the athletics department, and, as an assistant SID went out and got an SID job at another school, we have gotten great cooperation from him too. When a team from my home state made the Final Four, I was thrilled, and I was glad to see the MIAC finally get the monkey off its back after taking years of abuse on the message board from the Illinois and Wisconsin fans.

But you seem to have it stuck in your head that we have something against GAC. That's patently ridiculous. And you must know that, because you refuse to answer -- what snubbing over the past 18 months are we referring to? Hmm?

What did I do to deserve your scorn? Why did I work my ass off to cover your title game run? Why is a decade of our hard work so in need of your ridicule?

I would like an answer. Thanks. This is your chance. But this site isn't going to go away just because you don't like it. It was here when you were in junior high and I dare say it will be here when you hit your 10th reunion as well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 03, 2007, 11:12:27 AM
Whew!  I get away from the board for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose.  :o

Pat, I'm sure you're keenly aware of it but UW-River Falls knocked off #10 UW-Stout the other night.  This is the same River Falls team that got dough-popped by Macalester back in December.  I'm just curious how far Stout will drop come the first of this next week - a few spots or something resembling a free-fall?

Personally, I think rankings right now are good for coffee/Pepsi/beer talk (I REALLY love the second and like the 3rd on Saturday night!).  However, I don't think there's any denying that the Gusties are a legit Top 25 team and I would be daring enough myself to put them right around #13 or so.  But we won't know for sure how good this team really is until they (presumably) get into the NCAA tournament and start trying to inflict some damage.   And even I know that things will have to work out right for them (i.e., Monahan and Vadnais staying relatively injury-free and getting the breaks) in order for the Gusties to make a deep run.  I remember back in '03 when Carleton, GAC, and CSB were all legit Top 25 teams and I thought for sure that Carleton would make a deep run.  Instead, they got run off their home floor by St. Norbert in the 2nd round.  The MIAC hasn't done much in the Dance save for CSB's little run a couple of years ago.  Hopefully GAC can change that.

Looks like I'll have to catch one of the in-town games today; probably Concordia and Hamline.  Any predictions out there today?   

 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 03, 2007, 11:12:27 AM
Whew!  I get away from the board for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose.  :o

Pat, I'm sure you're keenly aware of it but UW-River Falls knocked off #10 UW-Stout the other night.  This is the same River Falls team that got dough-popped by Macalester back in December.  I'm just curious how far Stout will drop come the first of this next week - a few spots or something resembling a free-fall?

Personally, I think rankings right now are good for coffee/Pepsi/beer talk (I REALLY love the second and like the 3rd on Saturday night!).  However, I don't think there's any denying that the Gusties are a legit Top 25 team and I would be daring enough myself to put them right around #13 or so.  But we won't know for sure how good this team really is until they (presumably) get into the NCAA tournament and start trying to inflict some damage.   And even I know that things will have to work out right for them (i.e., Monahan and Vadnais staying relatively injury-free and getting the breaks) in order for the Gusties to make a deep run.  I remember back in '03 when Carleton, GAC, and CSB were all legit Top 25 teams and I thought for sure that Carleton would make a deep run.  Instead, they got run off their home floor by St. Norbert in the 2nd round.  The MIAC hasn't done much in the Dance save for CSB's little run a couple of years ago.  Hopefully GAC can change that.

Looks like I'll have to catch one of the in-town games today; probably Concordia and Hamline.  Any predictions out there today?   

I don't know about Stout -- it will depend on what else happens today. If a lot of other teams in about the 8-17 range lose than Stout won't probably drop too far. If there are few losses then Stout's will stick out like a very sore thumb.

Remember River Falls is still 13-8 and above .500 in that league, so it's not like losing to Finlandia. And it's not like being above .500 in a weak league, like Marian.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2007, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 04:29:01 AM
Willy:

As a member of the media, I would hope you would get your facts straight. She earned one postseason honor last season -- second-team All-Region. I have no role whatsoever in the selection of the All-Region teams. You should know better. Or at least be able to read.

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/index.html

"There were 596 players nominated nationwide. The ballot was then made available to SIDs, who voted for 10 players in their region. SIDs voted for six frontcourt players and four backcourt players, to insure balance."

Oh, where to start...is this supposed to make me feel better or worse?

Does the same SID nominate players for SJU and CSB? If so, it wouldn't suprise me. This is a person (unless johnniepress has taken over within the last 4 years) who nominated the SJU PF three times in one postseason a few years back. As a guard, making his rebound totals seem unreal. Did Pat catch and change this? Did said Johnnie win an award? No and yes. Talk about working the "system" Pat's now hiding behind.

Too old an example for you? How about the Carleton SID who typed up a program ripping the Oles a few weeks back in the battle for the Goat that raised eyebrows from at least two prominent MIAC figures? These are the objective people I'm supposed to trust? Forgive me if I remain concerned at the process.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2007, 04:13:45 AM
However, your use of my real name suggest we're taking the gloves off. Do we really want to go there? Think about it and get back to me, Patty cakes. I'm humming Bachman Turner Overdrive already in anticipation.

Yawn. You annoy me, for sure. But you don't scare me.
[/quote]

I'll save the dirt for the next time you make a mess of the football board. It will get a better reaction there. Oh, and I might be scared  :-*
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: DuffMan on February 03, 2007, 03:39:07 PM
Pat and Willy Wonka taking off the gloves...I love it :D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 03, 2007, 03:43:34 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 03, 2007, 11:12:27 AM
Pat, I'm sure you're keenly aware of it but UW-River Falls knocked off #10 UW-Stout the other night.  This is the same River Falls team that got dough-popped by Macalester back in December.  I'm just curious how far Stout will drop come the first of this next week - a few spots or something resembling a free-fall?

RF did have a mid-season slump, but besides that they have been pretty solid.  Part of the reason for the slump is that they were without their 2nd best player (Preiner), who is now back playing.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2007, 07:52:13 PM
To revisit the question whether SMU is the worst team in the league...Marys shot 18 percent today in scoring 32 points. The Cards had 20 turnovers and three assists. Weisbrod had 24 points, half coming at the free throw line. Take her out of the mix and Marys shoots 8% from the floor.

While it's not exactly an answer, it provides some pretty compelling evidence. I'm just glad I didn't spend two more hours watching them play today.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 03, 2007, 09:24:49 PM
Cobbers cruise in another revenge game at Hamline. Pipers unable to pull off the box and one on Keely this time. She torched them from outside.

Cobbers hit on all cylinders and had subs in at 4 minutes. Pipers left starters in to the end making the score look closer than it was.

Onto a big match-up on Monday. Gusties and Cobbers seem to play each other close every time. Should be fun!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2007, 02:21:24 PM
Does the same SID nominate players for SJU and CSB? If so, it wouldn't suprise me. This is a person (unless johnniepress has taken over within the last 4 years) who nominated the SJU PF three times in one postseason a few years back. As a guard, making his rebound totals seem unreal. Did Pat catch and change this? Did said Johnnie win an award? No and yes. Talk about working the "system" Pat's now hiding behind.

Johnniepress is St. John's third SID in the past 18 or so months. Facts fail you again.

St. John's and CSB have separate sports information departments. What happens when you assume?

I am not sure what your grudge against Carleton ... hmm, you seem to have a lot of them ... has to do what what I allegedly did to Gustavus Adolphus.

Face it -- you do not have an answer. It's as I thought. You just need to hold a grudge. Guess I was in the way one day and got on your list.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 03, 2007, 11:48:43 PM
It looks as though the Gusties have a solid shot to be in the top 25 next week as #'s 15, 16, 24, 25 and 28 all lost this week....hopefully if they do make it into the top 25 it won't be a short lived stint with Concordia coming to town on Monday...especially after all the stumping I've done for them this week...right Pat?   ;)

Blazerball- you must have entered into cardiac arrest today when you saw Monahan only had 9 points and the Gusties still won by 30-some. I guess they just got lucky today. By the way this makes it 7 of the last 8 games now where they have had three players in double figures.

By the way...newsflash: the Gusties and Blazers clinched playoff spots today due to the fact that they have a six game lead on sixth place Hamline and St. Kate's with six games to play combined with the fact that Hamline and St. Kate's play each other still, meaning that one would be assured of losing at least one game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 01:41:39 AM
I prefer stumping to stomping. Seen a little of both on this board. :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 04, 2007, 02:09:54 AM
gachacker - typical...you say seven of eight...yet there were only two in double figures today from my read of the box so it is actually six of the last eight with three in double figures for the GACkers.  Other than CSB and Carleton it is not like GAC is playing top teams right now...Bethel?  Auggie?  Mac?  Olaf?  SMU?  Scoring in double figures against those teams should be automatic.  Heck, even though St. Kate's is much improved and deservedly beat my Blazers they have been scored on a ton this season.  So, six of those eight you boast about are rather pathetic defensively.  And, they did not have three score in doubles against CSB.  So, take heart in having three big scorers against Carleton a few weeks ago...

I am just getting a tremendous laugh out of all this disrespect talk from the GACker fans.  There was NO talk from GACker fans about rankings until after they beat CSB last Saturday.  My goodness, you would think that beating the Blazers is a big deal down in St. Peter...all of the sudden they are a top 15 team, Pat Coleman and D3 hoops hates GAC and holds a grudge against them, and CSB fans have coronaries over two (not three) players scoring in double figures against that juggernaut Cardinal squad from St. Mary's!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 04, 2007, 02:21:25 AM
Quote from: blazerball on February 04, 2007, 02:09:54 AM
  My goodness, you would think that beating the Blazers is a big deal down in St. Peter...

What are you saying that St. Ben's isn't good enought to be considered a quality win?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 02:48:45 AM
Methinks that merits a +1. :)

BTW, Ryan shot a photo gallery of Gustavus' women's game today.
http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1554

Also shot one earlier in the season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 04, 2007, 02:54:00 AM
I saw that! We even got a blurb on the front page for our 10th consecutive win!

Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 04, 2007, 04:10:32 AM
It's about credibility, Pat. Me, I don't want or need it on these boards; it's not my job so I can make a fool of myself without a second thought. The old SJU and the current Carleton SID hurt theirs with their actions. One was not caught/corrected and we got a mistake winner in your awards. Whose credibility do you think that hurt?

Picking Noreen, which may have seemed defensible in the preseason, just makes you look silly now. Nevermind the credibility issue. Well, unless you wish to continue to defend selecting a player who is averaging 9.7 points a game and may not be one of the best 5 guards in the MIAC (or the best on her team) as one of the best in the nation. Clearly, I'd be more than happy to pursue this if you'd like  :-*

I'd further press the ranking issue, but the Cobbers make me nervous and it could be a moot point come the next poll. They've beaten the Gusties the last 5 meetings.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 02:48:45 AM
BTW, Ryan shot a photo gallery of Gustavus' women's game today.
http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1554

Also shot one earlier in the season.

Must...not...respond...the prez...will...not...be...happy...with...me...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on February 04, 2007, 11:21:12 AM
Yes Wonka, save the "dirt" for football season.   8)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 04, 2007, 12:22:59 PM
gacbacker - sure, beating CSB is a quality win as CSB has been, and continues to be, at the top of the MIAC for almost two decades...but my point is that there was no talk about disrespect or national rankings before GAC beat CSB last Saturday...so all the Gackers out there must think that beating CSB somehow makes GAC a top team nationally...it definitely is not due to the other victories in their recent run as beating Mac, Auggie, Bethel, St. Olaf, and SMU would not necessarily qualify them for top rankings.  The fact remains that there are not a lot of quality teams in the MIAC...and that is not something GAC (or CSB) can control.  The conference, like many other conferences this season, has many bad teams and then parity at the top.  Therfore, I think it is interesting that the GACkers are now playing the disrespect card and screaming for rankings after a nice win against CSB last Saturday.  Should GAC be ranked?  Sure, the argument can certainly be made...being 17-2 can put them in the conversation...but does it really matter in the grand scheme of things in early February?     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 04, 2007, 12:32:13 PM
Not much to say about the Blazer game yesterday.  CSB tallied 14 3's, the second most in team history.  Poor Darby Noreen, clearly not a good player, made all 8 shots she took and totaled 15 points.  

Mindy Schmidt is the most dangerous player not starting for a MIAC team.  20 points in 18 minutes yesterday.

The only minor disappointment for Blazer fans was seeing Olaf total 60 points.  The Oles hit all but one free throw on the afternoon and converted a lot of three-point plays from the stripe, so they get the credit they're due.

Big game again on Monday for the Gusties, I'll freely admit that I'm temporarily a Cobber fan.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 04, 2007, 01:35:57 PM
Just wanted to chime in about Durbin's coach of the year nomination, since this is his FINEST year coaching ever.  I think CM put it best with his last post.  Mindy Schmidt, the best player not starting in the MIAC.  Come to think of it, aren't CSB's 6-10 players the best second five in the league?  Aren't most of them capable of starting on 75 % of the MIAC teams in this league?  Isn't almost every player on CSB a first team all conference, and many of them All-State players?  So when one stud goes down, they just replace them with another stud.  Yep, that sounds like some serious great coaching there.  I'm pretty sure if you put most coaches in Durbin's situation, and had the same two guards go out, most coaches would be able to keep winning with that team.  Durbin is a great recruiter, and I think he is a good coach, but hard to say he's doing some of the finest coaching ever.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 04, 2007, 01:47:39 PM
Was able to catch the Concordia-Hamline game yesterday as the Cobbers avenged an earlier upset loss to the Pipers.  While Keeley and Hageman are the main 1-2 punch for this squad, I came away particularly impressed with Cobber newcomer Anna Matetich.  FWIW, I should have had her on my mid-season FY team.  Looks like Concordia has the real deal here.  With that in mind, it should be a great game in St. Peter on Monday night.  Although I think the Gusties will find a way to win, it wouldn't surprise me if these two teams met up again in St. Peter on 2/24.

Definitely an intriguing/wild/bizarre day in the MIAC yesterday as GAC defeathers the Birds, the Knights declaw the Kitties, CSB bludgeons the Oles, Mac extinguishes the Auggies last gasp hope of notching victory #2 (in double OT no less) and the Tommies fend off the Christians in an extra session as well.  What's with all the OT games this year anyway?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 04, 2007, 04:10:32 AM
It's about credibility, Pat. Me, I don't want or need it on these boards; it's not my job so I can make a fool of myself without a second thought. The old SJU and the current Carleton SID hurt theirs with their actions. One was not caught/corrected and we got a mistake winner in your awards. Whose credibility do you think that hurt?

So what I did to GAC was .... well, nothing. You're just being a crank.

If you can only gripe with a couple of awards over 10 years, a mis-hit letter in a dropdown menu on a form and ... whatever the other one was about, I am not going to lose any sleep over it. You're really just complaining to complain, then.

I'm not perfect in my day job. I'm not perfect here. I'm sure you're not perfect at your newspaper either. But life goes on.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 04, 2007, 02:08:37 PM
Just out of curiousity I checked out the UST website to find that the Tommies were actually down 29-9 (!) at the half and fittingly shooting an ice-cold 15% from the field to match the Siberian-like weather outdoors before the flipped on the switch after the half.  I guess the knee-jerk question I have is:  How the hell do you blow a 29-9 lead like that?  No matter how that answer comes out, another heartbreaker to put in the "L" column for the Christians.  :D

(Message edited by Georgia Frontiere and John Shaw)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 04, 2007, 03:22:57 PM
ECMF- There are plenty of rosters of the top 4-6 MIAC squads full of former all-conference and all-state players.  However, being a good recruiter doesn't make Durbin less of a coach.  Regardless of the depth of the roster (which you can't assume has nothing to do with the quality of coaching), name another first place team that graduated an All-American, then had an All-Conference PG lost for the year, then an All-Defensive team guard out for weeks and now back at far less than full strength.

If Concordia lost Keely for the year, they'd drop games left and right.  If GAC lost Vadnais, they'd be in 4th place.  And no, Kempe wasn't a scorer like those two, but she ran the offense with hardly a turnover and got plenty of tough baskets and free throws when the team needed it most.   

Look at the UST roster as an anti-example.  There's an awful lot of talent there too, but also a 5-year tradition of that talent underperforming and unhappy under 2 different coaches.  They can recruit, but recruiting isn't everything!

Haller's doing a great job this year also, but she has the top two scorers (and apparently 2 best players in the conference, if you're WW or gacbacker) in the league and now apparently the best point guard too. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 04, 2007, 04:00:17 PM
CM - Any coach needs talent to win. Does CSB have the most talent in the league 1-15? You'd be hard-pressed to find someone to disgree. Heck, I predicted they'de be a better team next year last winter - and that was before adding Schmidt, who may be their most explosive player, to the mix.

Am I the only one willing to take a stand on an issue and suffer some criticism? Pat, share some thoughts on your pick of Noreen now that it's not the preseason, as you've pointed to as an excuse about a dozen times now. CM, who do you feel prevents the Gusties from claiming the top two players in the league? Who's your MVP (FYI, Durbin can't win that award). It's easy to criticize if you never share any thoughts yourself.

Pat - Aye, mistakes happen. Especially during that busy time after the basketball season ends when it's all but impossible to check your facts. I mean, d3baseball.com has been a huge hit, right? ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 04:34:19 PM
Not every preseason projection pans out. That's all they are -- projections. I think I've actually said that in the course of this very discussion, but if not, I've said it before and here I am saying it again.

I don't pick conference MVPs. I leave that to the people in the conference who see the players in the conference on a regular basis. It's been a couple years since I've seen an MIAC team play so it wouldn't make any sense for me to try to do better than the coaches in that regard.

D3baseball.com hasn't opened yet. I tend to give new projects a year before I really pass judgment on them. The person who runs Division III Baseball Online is bringing his site into the fold and it will open this month.

Again. Facts. Fail. You.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 04:40:35 PM
You may be the only one on this board willing to take a stand without using actual facts, if that makes you feel better. You're going to criticize a site that's not open. You're going to blame me for the SIDs' vote on the All-Region teams. What's next? Did I call the foul on Tim Brown in the closing seconds of the '03 title game? Did I cause the tornado in the late 90s that decimated campus? What?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 05, 2007, 12:03:15 AM
Collegeville- Thanks for the brief support. However, I detect a bit of selfishness here ;D

Should be a great game, these two have gone to the wire in the last few games. Youngsters really kicking it in gear for the Cobbers (Sorbo, Matitch).

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 05, 2007, 10:11:15 AM
CM, you answer my arguements yourself with your own comments.  Yes, if Keely or Vadnais went down, then those teams would falter immensely.  At CSB, they don't because the person on the bench is just barely weaker than the starter.  O'Neal is probably a better all around player that Dahled, and Carter has proven to be fairly effective.

Also, Carter, O'Neal, Falvey, and Schmidt would all start on any team in the MIAC most likely below the top four.  So having starters as back ups doesn't mean you need to really coach.  If GAC or Concordia kept up their play after those sorts of injuries, then they'd be coaching their butts off.  And CSB doesn't have to work hard to recruit.  Kids are willing to sit on the JV just to be part of the team.  Same as UST and GAC.  They want to be with the name.  I'd say half of the kids those three schools get they barely now anything about before they get there.  That's reputation, not coaching.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on February 05, 2007, 11:12:43 AM
I guess I am going to elbow my way in here, since there seems to be no responses to my questions. So, I'm lighting the fire again. Back to the scheduling in the MIAC.   

"Have you seen them play?" -- She_scores51

I'm not sure about the question,"Have you seen them play?" Who are you you talking about the MIAC, WIAC, or the Teams with injuries? The thing I am concerned with is the fatigue building as the schedule grinds along.

Secondly, (and someone brought this up(can't find it)) for a Conference who boasts of academics, the present schedule is to the point of being ridiculous. This, especially for those who travel the most. Those who are more than 60 miles from the Metro area spend literally days in a vehicle during a season. Those especially at the extreme ends of the Conference have 11 road trips/year.  Those from the Metro area have 4 road trips/year.  Now, compound those trips, by stuffing three games in each week.

We of the MIAC, are in our own little world, don't get out to see what is going on in the rest of the BB world.  We are so used to what we see regularly that we are being left behind by the rest the BB world.  Some of the BB I see as I get around the MIAC is so Retro that it is tough to watch. There are some, very few however, who can use the spin off the dribble, can hop-step for the shot, or who have a real sound Jumper.  So when we are not able to see the rest of the world, via nonconference confrontations, here again our scheduling becomes a problem for us.

So, for those of you who have your pants in a wad about rankings etc., maybe consider getting on the board to discuss dealing with the schdule.  Tell me how those who vote on the rankings are to compare MIAC schools with other schools who are getting all the votes.

Another topic that comes to my mind. How do coaches from outstate get to see the GOOD players who could raise the level of play in the conference when they are in a constant frenzy to GET THE WOMEN READY FOR THE NEXT GAME syndrome. Oh yes, the old tired "recruit in the summer" phrase, but you know what, the girls like to be seen during the season.  If they don't get that attention during the season, they will revert back to the D-   2 school who is asking them to walk on or get a partial; thereby lose the D-3 experience.

It is time for change, I have some ideas on how to get to a 16 total game season,  but the Board may light up and incinerate and I hate to see that.               

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on February 05, 2007, 03:09:29 PM
Da-dented 1!!!

What is so wrong with our MIAC Schedule? Truly you make it seem like the girls can barely walk by the end of the season? It's basketball and it does get grueling but not to the point that you are expressing. Part of being a DIII athlete is knowing you have academics, and athletics. And to be honest, if there wasn't all those games and practices I know I would have been bored as a player. Even with all of this, there is still downtime for every athlete, I don't care how busy you are. OH NO, so some people lost fatigue?? It's part of the game and those players and teams that can dig deep enough and continue to push themselves.

Truly, I have sat and read your posts and they just annoy me. You're so concerned about something that is barely a problem.

I don't know about you, but being a coach, player, recruiter this is what you live for. You go into this knowing this is how it is going to be. You make time to get on the road to recruit. And if coaches are too tired to do so then thats their problem. Sure some people would find this insane, but if you're one of these players you wouldn't want it any other way.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 05, 2007, 04:46:36 PM
Wonka- Monahan is probably the conference MVP, I've never said she wasn't deserving of it.  You're too busy trying to start fights with anybody who's taking breath on this board to put together more than two consecutive posts that make sense.  :-\ 

I'd say, having seen a few games, that Hageman is as good as the GAC 2, and Schneider, Oken-Berg, and Keely might have the right to be in the discussion as well.

ECMF- I hate to say this, but I'm now agreeing with supporters of other teams.  For a person "very well connected" and "very knowledgeable" about the conference, you don't know squat.  There's not a program in the conference that doesn't recruit hard.  The lack of scholarship money, when pursuing athletes who get athletic money offered, is not an easy thing to overcome for ANY coach, regardless of the school's reputation.

Pat- Thanks for providing a forum for us crazies, and thanks for not banning certain inflammatory people (myself included).  The redundant stupidity is wonderful entertainment. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 05, 2007, 04:48:28 PM
Quote from: Da-dented1 on February 05, 2007, 11:12:43 AM
I guess I am going to elbow my way in here, since there seems to be no responses to my questions. So, I'm lighting the fire again. Back to the scheduling in the MIAC.   

"Have you seen them play?" -- She_scores51

I'm not sure about the question,"Have you seen them play?" Who are you you talking about the MIAC, WIAC, or the Teams with injuries? The thing I am concerned with is the fatigue building as the schedule grinds along.

I was referring to the WIAC. Have you seen many WIAC games? They are by far a more physical conference and I would say the more physical nature of their games would be cause for more injuries than just a few more games over the course of a month or so.

Quote from: Da-dented1 on February 05, 2007, 11:12:43 AM
Secondly, (and someone brought this up(can't find it)) for a Conference who boasts of academics, the present schedule is to the point of being ridiculous. This, especially for those who travel the most. Those who are more than 60 miles from the Metro area spend literally days in a vehicle during a season. Those especially at the extreme ends of the Conference have 11 road trips/year.  Those from the Metro area have 4 road trips/year.  Now, compound those trips, by stuffing three games in each week.

What about schools in conferences like Wash U that travel to New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Georgia and Illinois for conference games? I'm sure those student athletes are getting it done much like the student-athletes in the MIAC. And being from one of the "extreme" ends of the conference, our longest road trip is to Concordia, and all others are 2 hours or so away (with the exception of St. Ben's, which is 3:15). I wouldn't consider a road trip to St. Thomas "days" on the road by any means. You learn to prioritize and utilize time management skills.

Da-dented1, I think you are making a bigger deal out of either of these issues than what is warranted. And as for the MIAC's "retro" style of ball, I'll take it any day. I've seen MANY great games in this conference. I don't think a spin off the dribble or a "hop-step for the shot" (whatever you mean by that) necessarily puts an individual or team light years ahead of where this conference is playing.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 05, 2007, 05:06:59 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 04, 2007, 04:00:17 PM


Who's your MVP (FYI, Durbin can't win that award). It's easy to criticize if you never share any thoughts yourself.


Willy, Obviously Durbin will be the Coach of the year and I would vote for Noreen for MVP. She's the MVP of the team that is going to be #1 in the MIAC, what more do you want.  :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 05, 2007, 05:43:09 PM
Blazerguy- Have you stopped taking your medication?! Noreen as league MVP, give me a break. If the Blazers wish to bestow the honor upon her as the team's MVP, so be it. But she is not in the same league as the others often nemtioned here.

The excuses made for her perfomance (Loss of Heikenen, slow first half of the season, etc.) in my humble opinion remove her from consideration. I'm not taking anything away from her second half, but she was non-extistent early this year. The Blazers success is attributable to the 10 players making up that squad. Their effectiveness as a group is the reason for the success this year, not one player's.

A true MVP ovecoms ALL obstacles and clearly rises above all others in contention. Your Blazer-Colored-Glasses are creating a condition about which we posters are becoming concerned. Time for intervention....
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on February 05, 2007, 10:58:45 PM
Cobbers oust Gustavus tonight in St. Peter 49-46!

After looking at the stats, looks like the game was a little sloppy.  Combined TO's by both teams were 32.  Cobbers shot 33% from the field compared to GAC's 28%.  But a win is a win!

Go Cobbers!

Also, Keeley is 1 3 pointer away from CC all time record.  I am sure she will get it on Wed. night!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 05, 2007, 11:38:43 PM
Carleton upset by the Pipers 69-61.  The Knights were missing Sarah Lincoln as they go 3-18 from 3-point land.

Big win for the Cobbers tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 06, 2007, 12:11:19 AM
Ugggggghhhhh. That's six in a row now for the Cobbers over the Gusties....the Gusties played poorly enough tonight to lose by 20...luckily they had 5 chances from three point range to tie the game in the final 90 seconds and none of the five fell.

The Gusties just don't play well against that team and there's a number of factors that go into it.

To add salt to the wound, Carleton lost, making a #2 and #3 matchup between the Gusties and Cobbers a more likely scenerio in the MIAC playoffs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 06, 2007, 12:34:23 AM
Blazer fans- You're welcome!

Cobber defense holds the BIG TWO below their season averages in a very tough defensive battle. Cobbers owned the defensive boards while Hageman ran free in the paint.

I wish we could play this well against the Bennies, maybe we'll get another shot at them.

Mr Coleman, no claims of national ranking merit here....we know our place ;)

Finally, thank-you Pipers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 06, 2007, 12:53:25 AM
Congrats Cobbers!  Being back at the top of the heap sure is nice...hope the Blazers can stay there. 
I was just thinking about that top ranking for the Gackers...top 10...top 15...definitely top 25...right?  Pat and D3 hoops should be ashamed and give the Gackers their proper credit...there is definitely a conspiracy and bias against GAC.  Oh, wait...ignore that...they played Concordia again.  As I have said...if one or both of the Big Two (Monahan and Vadnais) struggle nobody else steps up for the Gusties and they fall.  There is no third option for the Gackers.  GAC now also has three region losses so that is also a concern as they look at the schedule...

Who knows if the Blazers will stay in first but I like the way things look right now...and GAC still has to play at Carleton...it's a beautiful night...I hope the Cobbers have a safe trip home and enjoy the love coming from St. Joe...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 06, 2007, 01:01:05 AM
Blazer- I will say a bright spot for the Gusties tonight was #5 Radtke. She handled the ball with poise and her defense was reasonable. However, she was no offensive threat.

The frustration was evident in the BIG TWO, they couldn't play their game. Cobbers just match up well against this team.

Now, stay healthy the rest of the way. We'd like to play a full game against you!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 06, 2007, 01:27:46 AM
CM, you have proven what I knew all along in that you don't know squat, nor do you read well.  I never said that other schools don't recruit hard, and that there is an abundance of scholarship money at the Big 3.  I said that the reputation of the Big 3 makes it much easier for those schools to recruit, and because of their reputations, they frequently get good players who fall in their lap.  Now, the LACK of scholarship money is not equal among the 12 schools in the MIAC.  There are some schools, we'll just call them the ones more inclined to succeed at athletics, that seem to have a lot more money to throw at athletes than other schools.  With different costs at all the schools, and different philosophies in financial aid, all MIAC schools are not created equal.  But in the end, how many kids really pick schools based just on money?  I'd say very few, other wise most kids would go to the Cobbers and the Cardinals, because they have the cheapest schools.  Alas it does not work that way.  I'm not arguing that CSB doesn't work hard, because I've seen the boys out before, but they definitely don't have to work as hard as MAC, CSC, Auggie, or some of the other schools without the reputation of a CSB.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 06, 2007, 02:13:52 AM
Congrats to the Cobbers for snaring the win in an ugly display of basketball by both sides tonight. The difference, in my opinion, was Concordia's ability to finish.

I bet CC had 10 points on shots coming in the last three seconds of the shot clock. They didn't panic and actually got VERY good looks on nearly every attempt. I bet they also scored 6-8 baskets on UOB plays - Hageman got a number of uncontested layups on missed/bad switches. It looked like GAC hadn't prepared for what seemed like a a pretty basic play I'm sure it saw in the first meeting. Very frustrating to watch as a Gustie fan.

On the flip side, GAC played very solid defense and shot just horrendous. Generally speaking, you have no business being in a game where you shoot under 30% from the floor, make 12-21 FTs and commit 14 TOs, but the Cobbs didn't exactly show a killer instinct either; Sorbo missed 4 straight FTs in the final 20ish seconds, CC had two costly turnovers in the closing minutes and missed 3 open 3s, any of which would have sealed it. Sadly, none of that mattered.

Why? Besides Concordia successfully making it a halfcourt game with its short bench, I bet the Gusties (the Big 2 and everyone else) missed 15 shots from inside three feet. About 5-7 were uncontested shots that rimmed out. Keeley played physical D on Vadnais (who seemed to be slowed with some sort of injury - what did you think, gacbacker?) and held her in check, though she struggled herself on the other end. Monahan simply couldn't locate the hoop.

The refs had no particular impact on the game, but were still interesting to watch. They called seven total fouls in the first half and 23 after the break. They called completely different halves, but were consistent in each 20 minute segment. I'm not sure I've ever seen something like that before, as the style of play never really changed.

Despite getting swept in the season series and now having lost six straight in the series, I'd want to see these Cobbers again in the playoffs if I were a player. CN/korn, you should make the trek down south and we'll attempt the Chuck Norris Challenge at Pattys beforehand if/when it happens ;D

It's old now, but I heard some scuttlebutt regarding the end of the Carleton game you fellas mentioned here awhile back. Without checking the box for confirmation of facts, after TT got T'ed up, she could have easily been booted with another loud outburst directed at the ref, who smiled. Nothing was called and the Carlies got the final 11 calls in the game. Is this what you guys heard/saw? It sounds redic. At least Mandy helped you out tonight, I suppose.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 06, 2007, 09:13:25 AM
Wonka- Excellent observation on the officiating, I agree it was a tale of two halves. Although consistent by half, it makes the game tough for players to adjust.

It did look as though Vadnais was somewhat slowed, although the pressure D by multiple Cobbers had an impact I think. Also, I thought the D on Monihan was very good, she seemed out of sorts on offense.

Shooting on both sides was sub-par, but given the defense tone, I guess that's to be expected.

Be happy to take you up on the Norris offer!

Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 06, 2007, 09:52:36 AM
EC- Yep, you got it right.  The "big 3" MIAC programs all give unwarranted scholarships to athletes.   ::)  If that helps you feel better about all the inequality, then go ahead.

Lackluster matchup last night between the Blazers and Scots.  Macalester seems to get a lot of pity from officiating crews, or at least the 3 clowns last night.  Add that to the fact that you never quite know which uncoordinated limb will be flying at any given opposing player at any given moment, and it quickly becomes a tough game to watch.  Danielle Johnson (#24) is to be watched carefully, as she's got a nasty streak that comes out in the form of freely thrown elbows.   I thought for a minute or two that she was a Bethel guard, but that wasn't the case.

Exciting game for CSB tomorrow at Ugsberg.   :P
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on February 06, 2007, 10:53:57 AM
hoops.......She_scores....

More annoyance, and barely a Problem? It depends upon your prospective. If you are satisfied with the status quo you are exactly right: why be concerned or even discuss the Schedule as it is now. As you may expect, the game is constantly changing. I don't know when it was that the two of you played; whether it was before or after the 30 sec. clock and/or the 3 point line??  At any rate, getting up and down the court, with speed, attacking the basket from the bounce, and getting to the rim in various ways is where BB is at these days. Granted, the set shot is still in use at and near the 3 point line but after that,  if you really want to be competitive, it becmes imperative to have other tools and skills to get the ball though the cotton. Now, if the desire is to have the MIAC remain where it is right now, not to have time to hone new skills or to perfect them, lets just leave it as is.     

No doubt all of us have seen some really competitive and exciting games in the MIAC. This however, is not my concern, with the 22 game schedule the ability for the coach and the athlete to add new things to their game is very limited. The MIAC used to be highly respected as a Womens BB Conference. Now, however, that does not seem to be the the way it is, at least outside of the conference.

Isn't it time we begin to ask questions as to, WHY.  The other conferences around us have fewer Teams in them, therefore fewer conf - games, therefore more nonconference games, therefore getting more exposure as to how BB may be changing. To regain the respect of the past we MAY need to make some changes.

The real concern that I have is that the level of Womens BB is raised in MIAC, such that we are able to compete more readily with other D-3 schools OUT OF OUR CONFERENCE.

She_scores .. Bet Wash U gets in a van or a bus to Travel to New York Huh.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 06, 2007, 11:21:15 AM
Geez.  Carleton gets knocked off at home by Hamline but GAC falling AGAIN - at home no less - to Concordia?  If anybody is becoming anybody's bitch in this conference, GAC sure is to Concordia. 

However, in all fairness, you've got to credit the Corn who seem to have been starting to come together at the right time.  They've got a solid nucleus (Keely, Hageman, White, et al) and promising newcomers (Matetich, Gottenborg) that will be tough to contend with come playoff time.  Still, you had to figure that the Gusties would find a way to win this one at home and the fact that they didn't leave a lot of cause for concern.  :-[

While I couldn't make it down to St. Peter last night I did get to watch an under-achieving Bethel squad hold on for a win over St. Olaf last night.  They probably got the bad taste of the UST game out of their system but how this team with all the size it has doesn't do better is beyond me.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 06, 2007, 11:22:42 AM
Maybe the MIAC is getting weaker because St. Ben's is hogging all the good players for their JV squad.

I know this has been brought up before, but maybe the MIAC needs to go to a split conference, similar to some high school conferences. I'm not a real fan of it, because I think it would kill some rivalries but the conference could be split North & South. All the North teams play each other twice but only play the South teams once. That would allow for 5-6 more non-conference games per year.

North: Concordia, St. Ben's, Bethel, Augsburg, Hamline, Mac
South: Gustavus, St. Mary's, St. Olaf, Carleton, St. Kate's, St. Thomas

And, yes, Da-dented, I was under the assumption that Wash U would fly to many of their conference games, not take a bus.  ::)  If only you knew when I actually did play, it might help you realize that I'm not a complete idiot that knows nothing about the game today. I'll give you a clue, I graduated less than 5 years ago. How long has it been since YOU played?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 06, 2007, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: Da-dented1 on February 06, 2007, 10:53:57 AM
hoops.......She_scores....

More annoyance, and barely a Problem? It depends upon your prospective. If you are satisfied with the status quo you are exactly right: why be concerned or even discuss the Schedule as it is now. As you may expect, the game is constantly changing. I don't know when it was that the two of you played; whether it was before or after the 30 sec. clock and/or the 3 point line??  At any rate, getting up and down the court, with speed, attacking the basket from the bounce, and getting to the rim in various ways is where BB is at these days. Granted, the set shot is still in use at and near the 3 point line but after that,  if you really want to be competitive, it becmes imperative to have other tools and skills to get the ball though the cotton. Now, if the desire is to have the MIAC remain where it is right now, not to have time to hone new skills or to perfect them, lets just leave it as is.     

No doubt all of us have seen some really competitive and exciting games in the MIAC. This however, is not my concern, with the 22 game schedule the ability for the coach and the athlete to add new things to their game is very limited. The MIAC used to be highly respected as a Womens BB Conference. Now, however, that does not seem to be the the way it is, at least outside of the conference.

Isn't it time we begin to ask questions as to, WHY.  The other conferences around us have fewer Teams in them, therefore fewer conf - games, therefore more nonconference games, therefore getting more exposure as to how BB may be changing. To regain the respect of the past we MAY need to make some changes.

The real concern that I have is that the level of Womens BB is raised in MIAC, such that we are able to compete more readily with other D-3 schools OUT OF OUR CONFERENCE.

She_scores .. Bet Wash U gets in a van or a bus to Travel to New York Huh.     

Okay, I'll take the bait, here are my thoughts on the issue.

First of all, the scheduling issue: Is it perfect...by no means, but I don't understand your argument. You mention the fact that less games per week would lead to a higher level of play due to the extra time learning new skills and honing skills in practice.  My belief is that during the season you are not going to improve your skill set a whole lot. That is what the off-season the the 6 weeks?? of preseason practice are for. You may be able to polish up some things, but the season is more about learing how to transfer those skills into game situations and into your own team's concept.


You also mentioned that the MIAC used to be a dominant national power and it no longer is.  Why??? I think the answer is two fold. First the powers of yesteryear were able to play with a lot of D1 and D2 talent because the kids either wanted to stay close to home or the big time programs didn't waste any time recruiting Minnesota. Obviously the latter has changed, as MN is a mini hotbed for a lot of upper division womens' talent.  The other reason is that the MIAC is now a more balanced league. There is no longer the one or two teams that will roll through everyone, all if not most games are well played and competitive. I think that the evening out of players and the thinning of the top talent to upper divisions is why the MIAC has not had the big time National runs year after year like in the glory days.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on February 06, 2007, 03:50:26 PM
You also mentioned that the MIAC used to be a dominant national power and it no longer is.  Why???

MONEY!  I know of many high quality ball players that take their game elsewhere because they (their parents) just cannot afford to pay the tuition of the MIAC schools.  Many who would love to play closer to home in the MIAC have found going to WIAC schools as an alternative.  I also know of many athletes no longer playing and going to state schools their parents can afford.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 06, 2007, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: Naf layor on February 06, 2007, 03:50:26 PM
You also mentioned that the MIAC used to be a dominant national power and it no longer is.  Why???

MONEY!  I know of many high quality ball players that take their game elsewhere because they (their parents) just cannot afford to pay the tuition of the MIAC schools.  Many who would love to play closer to home in the MIAC have found going to WIAC schools as an alternative.  I also know of many athletes no longer playing and going to state schools their parents can afford.

Good point.

The MIAC has always bewen more expensive than state-school alternatives, but I would be willing to say that the cost of MIAC schools has grown to be even more expensive, relatively speaking. Compared to the inflation rate and all that jazz... It's science


Anywho... what are the thoughts on the final couple weeks? Who slides into the 5 and 6 spot, and can the Cobbers get lucky and have Carleton and someone else (UST???) knock off GAC and take the #2 seed?

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: Naf layor on February 06, 2007, 03:50:26 PM
You also mentioned that the MIAC used to be a dominant national power and it no longer is.  Why???

MONEY!  I know of many high quality ball players that take their game elsewhere because they (their parents) just cannot afford to pay the tuition of the MIAC schools.  Many who would love to play closer to home in the MIAC have found going to WIAC schools as an alternative.  I also know of many athletes no longer playing and going to state schools their parents can afford.

Are there a lot of Minnesotans playing key roles on WIAC teams?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 06, 2007, 08:26:51 PM
I know River Falls does and I would guess LaCrosse has a few?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 06, 2007, 09:39:01 PM
I agree with M&G about the huge increase in scholarship-school recruiting here in Minnesota.  Even 8-10 years ago, there were a lot more "D1 quality" student-athletes choosing MIAC schools.

Along with the rising costs of all colleges in general (and cuts to national funding for loan and grant programs), private schools in this part of the country face another barrier that other regions don't have.  Closer to the coasts, the general perception is that private schools are worth the extra investment if a student can be accepted to one.  Here in the midwest, we have more public institutions (per capita), and the fiscally conservative tradition of the midwest feeds into the perception that private schools aren't "enough" better than public schools to justify the cost.

Of course, a Spanish major graduate from a large state school might not have put together that line of reasoning...  darn those critical thinking skills and interdisciplinary thinking of liberal arts colleges...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 06, 2007, 09:42:12 PM
Regarding the split conference idea, I'm totally with SS51 on this one.  We definitely spend too much time beating up on each other, and not enough time having to adjust to teams and coaches that we don't all know so well.  Having the opportunity to make game plans for relatively unfamiliar squads more often would help any team that qualified for the NCAA tourney. 

Unfortunately, if each MIAC team had the opportunity to schedule extra non-conference games, players and coaches would spend even more time on the road, since non-conference around here means out-of-state.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 09:52:19 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 06, 2007, 08:26:51 PM
I know River Falls does and I would guess LaCrosse has a few?

I kind of would expect those teams to, also. Is it different now than it was in years past?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on February 06, 2007, 11:16:22 PM
Could it be that athletes today are just not as talented as they once were? Have bigger heads? Think they don't need to work as hard? I have definitely seen a change in athletes attitudes over the past couple years and I would imagine it's only going to get worse. No matter if you have 3 days of practice or 1 day of practice in between games, it is eventually up the individualized athlete whether they want to improve their game and become better. Unfortuanately I don't think you can spend this latter part of the season working on improving individuals game's as much. This time of the year you need to focus on your team with the people that have prepared in the off-season and spend their own off-time to become better.

I am the first to agree that the MIAC is not as good as it once was. The competition seems down, the talent is way down. I look 5 years ago and without a doubt I think those players could come back and still beat up on most teams still. I don't think it's coaching as most of the coaches are still here that were 5 years ago.

Just makes me think there is a huge change of attitude in player's...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 07, 2007, 10:42:38 AM

I, too, like the idea of a North - South Division of the MIAC; particularly if the conference could get two natural additions to it:  Northwestern and St. Scholastica.  Then you've got a real hard case for it. 

For me, it's hard to put a finger on the exact cause of the "watering down" of the MIAC.  Some could point to Riverso's departure from UST.  Others can point to the financial aspect and how high tuition has driven off potential players to either WIAC schools or to some DII institution.  Whatever it is, I think it is valid.  The last "real" powerhouses that I can think of came in 2003 with the Carleton/GAC/ CSB triumverate when it took a coin toss to determine the top seed for the MIAC playoffs.  I thought both the Knights and Gusties were capable of making deep runs.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 07, 2007, 12:04:13 PM
I think the cost of school can be deceiving. Yes, if you look at the hard costs of most MIAC institutions, they are much higher than WIAC schools (I don't know about IIAC). However, the cost for mine & my sister's college education was virtually the same--she went to a WIAC school, I went to a MIAC school. With financial aid and academic scholarships, the cost of a private education can go down considerably.

That being said, I think high schoolers are lured away from MIAC schools for DII scholarship schools more often than less expensive DIII schools. I think they like being able to tell their friends/relatives/whoever that they got a scholarship offer to X University, even if the dollar amount is barely enough to pay for a semester's worth of books....they are still considered a "scholarship athlete" which to some people has a certain ring to it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on February 07, 2007, 01:57:27 PM
I agree with She-Scores51, Collegeville Magic and LaRams on the idea of a northern and southern division of the MIAC (with or without Northwestern and Scholastica).

This will not have much to do with individual player skills but will put the MIAC more on the National map. Each MIAC team will have a chance to select games with teams at a level that will best help their team develop or gain exposure. It doesn't do the top MIAC teams much good to play the teams at the bottom of the MIAC twice when it comes to National recognition. The top MIAC teams can match up against higher ranked teams to possibly gain more recognition and give a better chance for the MIAC to gain an "at large" spot. Teams rebuilding can select non-conference matches with teams at a level or a playing style that will best help them develop.

Another benefit of two divisions with each team playing each other team in their own division twice and each team in the other division once is the fact that the four teams out there in "plumb nelly" (Concordia, St Marys, Carlton & St Olaf) would only have to make a long trip to the other corner of the State every other year.

Without Northwestern and Scholastica there would be 9 non conference games. With them, there would be 7 non conference games. With the possibilty of a three game tournament at Thanksgiving and or Christmas break and pre-season games which are already played, the opportunity for national exposure and opportunity to
see what's out there is greatly expanded. How many conferences are there that play 22 conference games?

A physical point - it would be a coach, player and trainer option as to how much a particularly important player to the team might play in a non-conference game. It's a lot easier to give an injured player a chance to rest non-conference than when competing in conference.

A side comment on injured players in response to to how St Ben's is so handicapped and that only great coaching keeps them up there at the top. Be it known that the Gusties have had three players go down with acl's this year. One would have probably been the starting point guard (summer league injury), one was one of the top rebounders and defensive players and the other was also a point guard. There are other coaches who regularly have players out with injury, or have players that have injuries that do not keep them from playing, but they play with extreme pain.

Losing a strong current point guard is a large loss, I give Mike a lot of credit, but he is not the "Lone Ranger".
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 03:17:03 PM
I think there would be six non-conference games, because you'd play one of those teams twice and the other once. But still an improvement.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on February 07, 2007, 03:43:43 PM
Naf.... Right, there are 29 Minnesotans on the WIAC Rosters; Riv-Fals-12, Superi-9, Stout-4, Eu Clai-3, La Cro-1, 0 onthe last 4 Teams.

SS51...How does Bens get athletes? They host have 6 age-group Camps each year and in addition there is a Team Camp. The assistants help, there are many of the upperclassman, who work them, Kids get to know the campus get to enjoy it etc. , and they can be identified as a coming prospect. How many Coaches want to put themselves through this? And then in adddition, the tradition, and the coaches still get out to see the prospects they relly want to see come.

M&G....SS51....hoops...."transfer skills into game situations".... don't improve all that much during the season....."don't......improving individuals games as much. I have seen as the season goes along, particular improvements in kids, and therefore, when you play against them you need to be aware of the new things they can do as compared to what they could do earlier in the season. That's with the time they have now, compound that.

CM....Naf....M&G....SS51....Yes, it may be a bit more expensive, but as SS51 says the astute coach-recruiter needs  to have those figures handy so the prospect and their parents can truly understand the expenses and wiegh that with the product. Guess what, unless your school simply doesn't offer the curriculum the athlete wants, you just may have a player.

CM....Exactly "too much time spent beating up on each other". If the schedule were to change and a school fills the Monday slot with games who can you now blame?

M&G....Yes "MN is a mini hotbed", for that reason the coaches need to be able to compete for the good ones, and they need to be seen during the season. hoops....Yes, there are some big headed athletes out there, they are mostly concentrated in the Metro I believe. Their parents have an influence on them and if they (the parents) have coached them through Travel they have a vested interest in their child. I believe alot of them have been weeded out by the time they get to the private D-3 school. 

The real Subject matter.  SS51....CM....LA....agreed, a split schedule or conference may be in order. North - South, East - West, ?? Upper - Lower?? Lets Brain storm it. I know, an AD would see this (Upper-Lower) as a Nightmare, but when computers can be programmed to fit situations much of the Nightmare may disappear.

Thought Caps are in order............??WIAC and/or IAAC shoot out??
Top 9 from each conference square off.

 



Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 07, 2007, 04:57:56 PM
Wow...and people claim I talk in gibberish about useless topics?

Here are the first region rankings, which don't include Monday's results (ie GAC's loss).

West
1 Luther 11-2 15-4
2 Gustavus Adolphus 18-2 18-2
3 Puget Sound 13-2 17-4
4 St. Benedict 16-2 16-4
5 Simpson 13-4 17-5
6 George Fox 9-4 13-6
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 07, 2007, 10:25:16 PM
Carleton tumbles again.  This time to St. Mary's 57-51.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 07, 2007, 10:28:14 PM
Gusties rebound to top UST 54-35 I believe. Vadnais with 22, Monahan with around 9.

Tommies' offense is brutal, perhaps brutal enough to give GAC a top 10 defense in the nation. I believe they were around 20th in scoring defense going in.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 08, 2007, 08:02:18 AM
Sarah Lincoln was out for the second consecutive game for Carleton.  Anyone know what her status is?

You gotta love the unbiased reporting from the Knights' website:

"Carleton's leading scorer, Hannah Oken-Berg (So./Portland, Ore./Lincoln), was held to six points and miraculously she shot no free throws."
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 08, 2007, 08:36:29 AM
Good win for my Cardinals last night...unfortunately it means nothing in terms of the playoff picture for St. Mary's. Still, a good win. Was anyone there who can report on the game? I'm sure horrible officiating is to blame, I mean Hannah Oken-Berg didn't even shoot any free throws (miraculously)!!! ;)

Quote from: Da-dented1 on February 07, 2007, 03:43:43 PM
SS51...How does Bens get athletes? They host have 6 age-group Camps each year and in addition there is a Team Camp. The assistants help, there are many of the upperclassman, who work them, Kids get to know the campus get to enjoy it etc. , and they can be identified as a coming prospect. How many Coaches want to put themselves through this? And then in adddition, the tradition, and the coaches still get out to see the prospects they relly want to see come.

I am well aware how St. Ben's gets athletes year after year. And no, they are not the only team in the conference to hold camps. Far from it. I think plenty of coaches are willing to "put themselves through this," especially knowing the potential rewards. Actually, one of the best camps in the state used to be "Gustie Camp"...is that still a well-attended camp??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 08, 2007, 08:51:51 AM
Yawn- Couldn't muster a post after getting home from Moorhead at 1:30 this morning. BUT NOW...

Perfect scenario for a Royals win last night:

1. Bethel coach must be reading this board, he put together a very well executed player rotation that kept his bigs ready and rested. Thielke (Welcome back!) goes off for 13 and her presence only made Hansen (I'm a BIG fan!) more effective.

2. Cobbers were clearly sluggish coming off the hard-played GAC game and Bethel did a good job with pressure.

3. Bethel benefits from a ref crew that allowed their game. Marty, Mike and Scott determined that 3 seconds could be more like 6, displacement and over-the-back were not fouls and hand checking was allowed. Make no mistake, If I'm a Royal and I see this, I capitalize and they surely did. BUT, with a team as big and physical and the Royals, rules interpretations (Or lack thereof ;)) are a recipe for disaster.

I'm not knocking the Royals play, I'm knocking the lack of funadmental rules enforcement.

By the way, thanks St. Mary's!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on February 08, 2007, 09:28:25 AM
I really have nothing to say about the Cobber/royal game, I have to say I was more interested in the only game that mattered last night.

DUKE vs. UNC

Duke is making this year harder than ever by losing once a week, oh well they will come back (I hope)!

Cobbers need to pick it up after playing a good, physical team (GAC) then come out  2 days later and get another win vs. a physical team (BU).  Because when playoffs arrive that's the exact scenario.  Rest up Cobbs and finish the season strong!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 08, 2007, 09:53:57 AM
Quick WHAT??????? is in order after last night.  Even without Lincoln, Carleton loses to SMU???  Bethel's upset of the Cobs makes more sense than the Cards coming out on top (no offense meant SS).

CSB's schedule for the last two weeks will play as big a part in the playoff rankings as any.  St. Kate's, Hamline, then UST, all three teams pushing for the 5 and 6 spots (and maybe 4 if Carleton loses again).  St. Kate's is the team that makes me the most nervous of that trio, with their ability to put up serious points.

Regarding the camp question:  I grew up in southern Minny, and everybody thought highly of the Gustie camps (at least 15 years back).  I'd be willing to bet that the CSB camps have resulted in a handful of eventual JV players for the Blazers, but not necessarily many contributors.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 08, 2007, 10:16:46 AM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 08, 2007, 09:53:57 AM
Quick WHAT??????? is in order after last night.  Even without Lincoln, Carleton loses to SMU???  Bethel's upset of the Cobs makes more sense than the Cards coming out on top (no offense meant SS).

No offense taken. I was probably as surprised as you to read the box score last night and see that my Cardinals had pulled off another upset (how is it that 2 of SMU's 4 conference wins came against top-6 teams??)!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 08, 2007, 04:25:02 PM
Just so Wonka doesn't think I'm keeping the info to myself.  I have heard that Lincoln had a concussion.  She is supposedly coming back this Saturday.  With their lack of depth, they desperately need her.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 08, 2007, 07:15:36 PM
In hopes of someone knocking off the Blazers here in the last week...here is the blueprint:

1. You have to limit three point attempts especially from Noreen. Schmidt is the only perimeter player that can beat you off the dribble...force Noreen and O'Neil to put the ball on the floor.

2. Ball pressure...especially when Carter is in the game at point guard.

3. Force Tauer to shoot from the outside...have your defender play an arms length away from her when she is outside 10 feet from the basket. Beg her to take perimeter jump shots.

4. Force their inside players to beat you. Sometimes they aren't disciplined enough to get Boone and Goehner the ball enough...and even when they do these two haven't proven they can be game changers by themselves this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2007, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 08, 2007, 07:15:36 PM
In hopes of someone knocking off the Blazers here in the last week...here is the blueprint:

1. You have to limit three point attempts especially from Noreen. Schmidt is the only perimeter player that can beat you off the dribble...force Noreen and O'Neil to put the ball on the floor.

2. Ball pressure...especially when Carter is in the game at point guard.

3. Force Tauer to shoot from the outside...have your defender play an arms length away from her when she is outside 10 feet from the basket. Beg her to take perimeter jump shots.

4. Force their inside players to beat you. Sometimes they aren't disciplined enough to get Boone and Goehner the ball enough...and even when they do these two haven't proven they can be game changers by themselves this year.

5. Have a bigger wallet than Durbin, as outcomplaining him is impossible :-*
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 08, 2007, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 08, 2007, 07:15:36 PM
In hopes of someone knocking off the Blazers here in the last week...here is the blueprint:

1. You have to limit three point attempts especially from Noreen. Schmidt is the only perimeter player that can beat you off the dribble...force Noreen and O'Neil to put the ball on the floor.

2. Ball pressure...especially when Carter is in the game at point guard.

3. Force Tauer to shoot from the outside...have your defender play an arms length away from her when she is outside 10 feet from the basket. Beg her to take perimeter jump shots.

4. Force their inside players to beat you. Sometimes they aren't disciplined enough to get Boone and Goehner the ball enough...and even when they do these two haven't proven they can be game changers by themselves this year.
Great post,  ??? in other words, play a perfect game defensively, and don't worry about your offense because you won't be able to score anyway. ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 08, 2007, 08:54:30 PM
Wow, a team falls out of a first place tie, and all that their fans can do is post things that any coach worth paying more than $6 per hour would have attempted to figure out.  It must be just that simple, which explains why St. Ben's is struggling so much again this season.  You guys are BRILLIANT.   ::)

Keys to beating GAC:

1.  Stay in Vadnais's face.  She doesn't blow by anybody with the dribble, and doesn't shoot well under pressure.

2.  Deny Monahan the ball.  Once she's frustrated by lack of touches, she's no longer effective.

3.  Schedule a game with Concordia.

4.  Schedule a game with CSB anywhere near something called "the playoffs".

5.  When you lose, act really jealous about it and pretend to know everything about the last good opponent you beat.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 08, 2007, 10:17:05 PM
Keys to an insightful post from Gustavus fans

1. Wait for the top 25 rankings to be released
2. Complain about preseason awards 20 games into the regular season
3. Insult Pat Coleman
4. Insult Darby Noreen
5. Insult Mike Durbin
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 08, 2007, 11:23:50 PM
Wow...it looks like I should add "the ability to rasie St. Ben's fans' blood pressure" to my resume.

While Scorekeeper and Blazer Guy's posts were clever, I got a big laugh out of you Collegeville Magic.

If Vadnais can't blow by anybody with the dribble, why is she second in the conference in free throws made and attempted as a guard? She must be getting by someone in order to get to the rim to be able to shoot all of those free throws. And she's doesn't shoot well under pressure?...Let's see when the Blazers cut a 21 point lead to 4 the other day, who made the three pointer with a hand in her face out of the timeout to seal the game? Short memory I guess.

Deny Monahan the ball? Hahaha. Do you think alot of teams in the conference have been successful with that over the years?

The Gusties are not a team without a weakness, you could've done a lot better than that!



Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 09, 2007, 01:20:33 AM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 08, 2007, 08:54:30 PM
Wow, a team falls out of a first place tie, and all that their fans can do is post things that any coach worth paying more than $6 per hour would have attempted to figure out.  It must be just that simple, which explains why St. Ben's is struggling so much again this season.  You guys are BRILLIANT.   ::)

Keys to beating GAC:

1.  Stay in Vadnais's face.  She doesn't blow by anybody with the dribble, and doesn't shoot well under pressure.

2.  Deny Monahan the ball.  Once she's frustrated by lack of touches, she's no longer effective.

3.  Schedule a game with Concordia.

4.  Schedule a game with CSB anywhere near something called "the playoffs".

5.  When you lose, act really jealous about it and pretend to know everything about the last good opponent you beat.

I especially like #5, gacbacker. I mean, I'm not sure it's true...but we all know the Bennies nifty habit of disappearing for nearly a week after a loss and then pretending like it never happened.

As my friends in the Liberty League say, IT'S SCIENCE!

Oh, and I prefer to be referred to as an inciteful Gustavus fan, too  8)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 09, 2007, 08:58:15 AM
Well, according to someone who was actually at the game on Wednesday, Carleton was just flat out gassed to start the game. Plus, they are just not that good without Lincoln in, who has a concussion... supposedly she will be back this weekend though. Oken-Berg really didn't look to score in the second half, and SMU's posts did a good job of staying straight up and taking her right hand away from her. Isler for Carleton had 3 fouls in the first half and that affected them also.

More or less, I heard that their depth and their previous two games really wore them out. The refs were not good, but they were bad for both teams. SMU plays with a lot more energy and emotion at home, and they match up fairly well with Carleton also.

Were there no Carleton posters at the game that want to comment? What the heck happened to RC?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIACBaller on February 09, 2007, 12:23:55 PM
I thought for sure that east coast miac fan would have given us a recap of the game in Winona....
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 09, 2007, 01:34:01 PM
Congrats to Anne, Keeley and Melanie Hageman of Concordia, and Bri Monahan of Gustavus for being named to the ESPN academic all-district team. Hageman made the 2nd team and Keeley and Monahan made the 3rd team. Again, congrats on a very deserving award.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 09, 2007, 01:35:53 PM
And I thought MIAC Baller would have given a recap of the Bethel game
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on February 09, 2007, 01:53:53 PM
Willy: Is Bri Monahan a good player?  Maybe you could ask Mr. Poofy Chest hair...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 09, 2007, 04:02:35 PM
For those interested, I'm selling copies of the game tapes from the last six Cobber/Gusties games... ;D

But wait! If you act now, I'll throw in a free copy of my "How to effectively communicate your thoughts to officials" booklet. A must-have for the interested fan.

Sorry, couldn't resist...

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 09, 2007, 07:59:05 PM
Korn- I'll take a few copies of those tapes.  If you isolate the right audio channels, you can probably figure out which GAC player is scoring at any given time, then write about it here in detail.  That way, if coaches aren't doing their own scouting, they can learn all they need to know by listening to Wonka and gacbacker yell from the stands.

It's really a shame that coaches don't pay attention to the opposing team during games any more, but it's pretty awesome to have a free expert scouting system here on the message board!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on February 10, 2007, 09:07:01 AM
I'm baaaack!!!  Yes, I have an agenda "and I'm sicking to it".  No response to my last Post.  So I'll light the fire again.

North-South seems like a fairly even grouping of Teams.  At least as to how they stand right now.  I would like to propose Upper and Lower Divisions.  The top 6 Teams (Upper Div-), from the previous year, play home snd away.  They then play on a rotating basis year by year with the Lower Div-.  Ten games, therefore, within the Upper Div- and 6 games with the Lower Div- giving them a total of 16.  Lower Div- likewise.

Why Upper and Lower?  May get more power points for those at the top who are vying for positioning in the West Region when it comes to playoffs. This, especially if the Conference arranged shootouts with the WIAC and the IIAC giving each of the top 9 Teams in the MIAC 2 nonconference games in addition to those they now have already scheduled.

Now, lets lower the boom on Upper and Lower Divsions.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 10, 2007, 10:32:07 AM
Another big round of games today - things have been so out of whack lately I could spend a week on it.  Presumably; Carleton gets Lincoln back today.  They need her as the Knights have looked very ordinary all of a sudden.

Wish I could put myself in two or three places today as St. Kate's visits CSB and Hamline hosts GAC.  I'm sure the Bennies have revenge on their mind but they'd better be ready as the Kitties just shot the lights out against Hamline the other night.    GAC should prevail in their matchup with the Pipers but you just never know the way things have been going in this conference.  I'm surprised that there hasn't been more scuttlebutt on Vadnais having to play through a variety of manageable injuries such as the bruised left shooting hand, bruised ribs, and plantar fascitis (I had a mild case of that before, THAT does hurt).  She'd make Jack Youngblood proud!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on February 10, 2007, 10:45:27 AM
Although I think, as well as some others posting, two divisions would be good for the MIAC. Apparently, most coaches and/or ADs do not think so as I have been informed that it has been discussed many times and nothing has come of it. One of the objections is that the top teams in each division would only play the other divisions top team once each season. The loser would not have the opportunity to a rematch to even the score during the season. If we are interested in keeping the MIAC isolated, like an inbred family, then, due to lack of exposure we have no reason to expect national recognition. Individual strong teams will have a hard time rising above the total "MIAC perception". There certainly is a solution somewhere.

What say you...?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 10, 2007, 11:55:53 AM

Good point and I think the only way to change this is would be with the logical inclusion of both St. Scholastica and Northwestern into the MIAC fold.  With those two teams in the mix you then have valid reasoning for dividing into North - South sectors.  Such a scenario could look something like this:

North:
CSB
Concordia
Hamline
Bethel
Augsburg
St. Scholastica
Northwestern

South:
UST
St. Kate's
Macalester
St. Olaf
Carleton
GAC
SMU

Also, I think a very good way for the MIAC to get a little more exposure would be to create a MIAC vs. WIAC or MIAC vs. IIAC challenge.  Why not?   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 10, 2007, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Da-dented1 on February 10, 2007, 09:07:01 AM
I'm baaaack!!!  Yes, I have an agenda "and I'm sicking to it".  No response to my last Post.  So I'll light the fire again.

North-South seems like a fairly even grouping of Teams.  At least as to how they stand right now.  I would like to propose Upper and Lower Divisions.  The top 6 Teams (Upper Div-), from the previous year, play home snd away.  They then play on a rotating basis year by year with the Lower Div-.  Ten games, therefore, within the Upper Div- and 6 games with the Lower Div- giving them a total of 16.  Lower Div- likewise.

Why Upper and Lower?  May get more power points for those at the top who are vying for positioning in the West Region when it comes to playoffs. This, especially if the Conference arranged shootouts with the WIAC and the IIAC giving each of the top 9 Teams in the MIAC 2 nonconference games in addition to those they now have already scheduled.

Now, lets lower the boom on Upper and Lower Divsions.   
This is a good topic.....In the OFF SEASON!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 10, 2007, 05:57:45 PM
Big win for the Blazers this afternoon. ;D Boone has a big game at post and Tauer maybe her best game of the year both offensively and defensively. St Kates was hitting the 3's which keep them in the game until the Blazers depth just wore them out. Final score 70 something to 50 something.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 10, 2007, 06:55:22 PM
Lopsided wins for the Blazers and Gusties today...it looks as though things will be decided on the final saturday when the Tommies play at St. Ben's and the Gusties go to Carleton.

Still can't figure out how a team like St. Thomas that can barely get to 30 points against Gustavus can beat Concordia and the Gusties can't.

Hopefully the Tommies can play that well when they go to St. Ben's a week from today.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 10, 2007, 07:08:39 PM
Cobber lose to the Tommies on a nightmare shooting day. Tommies physical play did the job and kept the Cobbers off balance all day.

Looks like no big suprises today.

2 games left and lots to be decided.

Collegeville, what's your credit card number, I'll get those tapes off to you... ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 10, 2007, 09:47:52 PM
Blazers were lead quite capably by our "weak" post game this afternoon.  Boone, Tauer, and Goehner combined for 43 points, 26 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 blocks, and 2 steals.  It's a shame that CSB is so guard-oriented.

Two big games left for CSB, as both Hamline and UST will be fighting for playoff spots.  St. Kate's has some tremendous scorers, but Petrich, Berglund, and Schneider were all held in single digits.

Korn - call me at 1-800-UST-SUKS, and I'll get you that credit card number.   ;D 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 11, 2007, 03:32:31 AM
By the way, congrats to Bri Monahan who became Gustavus' all-time leading scorer today with 19 points against Hamline.

Monahan passes '87 grad Linn Erickson into first place and now has 1,403 points in her career.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 11, 2007, 10:29:39 AM
Collegeville- HAH! Great response! I have the number committed to memory.

GAC- I wouldn't give UST too much credit for the Cobber win. Same old physical Tommies were able (Allowed) to knock the Cobbers out of their game.

I take this loss as more poor execution of the Cobbers vs. anything spectacular by the Tommies.

Congrats to Bri!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on February 12, 2007, 08:55:38 PM
When do you think next years schedule might be discussed: soon after the season is done or next Fall? I still haven't heard any criticisms of the Upper - Lower Division concept.  Lets get on it.

Does anyone out there know if a Division System of play has ever gotten to the Administrative level?  If so, when was it dicussed?  If so, what exactly shot it down.  Was it the the Mens Coaches, or was it also the Womens Coaches? Athletic Directors?  Was it the arguement that the Top Teams may play each other once/year, or was it something more?

I am not seeing the thought that St. Scholastica and Northwestern could be added to the conference when the conference is already more than full and choking to death as it is.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 12, 2007, 11:59:42 PM
Da-dented,
You should send your thoughts to the MIAC Commissioner if you are so certain about your plan and don't want to let it go.  Contact him through the MIAC homepage.  See what he thinks.  Most, if not all, on this page will have no influence and I'd be worried if we did!  I encourage you to write letters to the president's, call the AD's, contact the faculty reps, get out signs and parade around each school.  Get your voice heard by people who actually have some influence and ability to make decisions.  However, pursuing it on a d3hoops posting board will get you NOWHERE quickly.  Then again, GAC fans did have a lot of influence on Pat Coleman and the Top 25 national rankings as I noticed that GAC finally cracked the Top 10...or are they #1 yet?  Oops, sorry, all that talk ended rather suddenly after their last loss...

On to more pressing items...like the current season and final two regular season games.  CSB travels to Hamline on Wednesday and then ends at home with UST on Saturday.  Although every team and coach in the nation now has a detailed scouting report on how to beat the Blazers thanks to those darn GACker posters out there those pesky Blazers somehow keep winning games.  How can they keep doing it when everyone knows how to beat them???! 

It would be fun for CSB to win yet another conference title and even better to win an outright title.  But, first things first...let's hope we clinch at least a share of the title Wednesday night at Hamline.  The Blazers should have plenty of motivation heading into the game...I hope!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 01:46:21 AM
Quote from: blazerball on February 12, 2007, 11:59:42 PM
Then again, GAC fans did have a lot of influence on Pat Coleman and the Top 25 national rankings as I noticed that GAC finally cracked the Top 10...or are they #1 yet?

I'm not sure that's necessary.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 13, 2007, 09:51:45 AM
dented- Here's your first criticism of the upper/lower idea.  It sucks, and that's why nobody has responded.  If the upper teams were always playing upper teams, and the lower teams were always playing lower teams, it would be extremely difficult for bad teams to improve, and easy for good teams to deteriorate.  The top teams would all add in-region losses against each other like the currently do, without as many easy wins as other conferences get by beating up on their weak teams.

If there's any discussion of an official split (which isn't happening because of this board), I would guess that geography would be the reason.

Happy Valentine's Day to everybody, celebrate by wearing your red!

Go Blazers. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on February 13, 2007, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 13, 2007, 09:51:45 AM
Happy Valentine's Day to everybody, celebrate by wearing your red!

I will be wearing CARDINAL RED!! :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 13, 2007, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: Da-dented1 on February 12, 2007, 08:55:38 PM
When do you think next years schedule might be discussed: soon after the season is done or next Fall? I still haven't heard any criticisms of the Upper - Lower Division concept.  Lets get on it.

Does anyone out there know if a Division System of play has ever gotten to the Administrative level?  If so, when was it dicussed?  If so, what exactly shot it down.  Was it the the Mens Coaches, or was it also the Womens Coaches? Athletic Directors?  Was it the arguement that the Top Teams may play each other once/year, or was it something more?

I am not seeing the thought that St. Scholastica and Northwestern could be added to the conference when the conference is already more than full and choking to death as it is.
GIVE IT UP!! NOBODY CARES EXCEPT YOU!! >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 14, 2007, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: she_scores51 on February 13, 2007, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 13, 2007, 09:51:45 AM
Happy Valentine's Day to everybody, celebrate by wearing your red!

I will be wearing CARDINAL RED!! :)

I thought royal blue, gold and white or UCLA powder keg blue and gold were Valentine colors...... ;) 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on February 14, 2007, 09:23:44 AM
I thought you might all enjoy this quote from the Men's Side on DIII Hoops by Dunkmachine: "Here is a (DOUBLE who cares) for any women sport in the MIAC or in the world for that matter.  I'd maybe even rather watch "From Justin to Kelly" instead of girls trying to play sports (especially basketball)."

Truly, has he ever watched a MIAC Girls Basketball Game? I'll admit it was enough to get me fired up last night.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 14, 2007, 09:37:42 AM
Predictions for V-Day games?

1.  Katies @ Tommies -- in the battle for 5th, I'm going with CSC by 2 (UST will keep it close with their elbows and forearms, but not score quite enough)
2.  Blazers @ Pipers -- CSB by 11, the matchups favor St. Ben's again, and Hamline is booted from playoff contention
3.  Cards @ Christians -- Bethel by 18, but who cares?
4.  Scots @ Knights -- not picking the upset this time of year, Carleton by 12
5.  Ugs @ Cobs -- Concordia by 55, and Augsburg announces their intention to drop out of the MIAC for a year, pending their upcoming loss to Bethel on Saturday
6.  Oles @ Gusties -- GAC by 20, starters finally get some rest before ending the regular season at Carleton's cave.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 14, 2007, 11:34:46 AM

St. Kates vs. UST - Just judging how UST pounded the Kitties over at CSC last month I think you have to go with the Tommies at Schoenecker.  Still, you never know for sure what UST team will show up even though the Tommies are on something of a roll as of late.  Definitely the intriguing matchup of the night.

CSB vs. Hamline - Would love to see the Pipers pull of the upset and stay in playoff contention but just don't see it happening.

SMU vs. Bethel - Christians in this one though it's too late to make a difference for them.

Macalester vs. Carleton - The Knights had better win this one or I will not be happy.

Augsburg vs. Concordia - Corn

St. Olaf vs. GAC - Gusties with relatively easy win though Oles can be pesky.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 14, 2007, 11:09:05 PM
Wow, the Blazers really gave it to Hamline tonight huh? I've really been left unimpressed with the Hamline coaching staff...they showed the least strategy of all the teams the Gusties have played as far as trying to stop Monahan and Vadnais and then they allow the Blazers to attempt 29 three pointers...apparently the Pipers haven't heard of a scouting report.

Well it looks like the Gusties will need the Tommies to pull the upset on Saturday and the Gusties will have to win at Carleton in order for the Gusties to earn a share of the conference title.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2007, 01:23:06 AM
Quote from: hoopscoopsmiac on February 14, 2007, 09:23:44 AM
I thought you might all enjoy this quote from the Men's Side on DIII Hoops by Dunkmachine: "Here is a (DOUBLE who cares) for any women sport in the MIAC or in the world for that matter.  I'd maybe even rather watch "From Justin to Kelly" instead of girls trying to play sports (especially basketball)."

Truly, has he ever watched a MIAC Girls Basketball Game? I'll admit it was enough to get me fired up last night.

Dunno -- has he ever watched an MIAC women's basketball game either? :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 15, 2007, 05:30:15 PM
Cobbers cruise on Senior Night. Augsburg is so hapless it's a sorry sight.

She Scores- See you Saturyday

Go Gusties!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 15, 2007, 06:38:13 PM
The Blazer win at Hamline was a pretty ugly one.  It turns out that not only basketball skill deficiencies are a concern with the program.  Last night, we saw a "Bethel-esque" display of rotten sportsmanship and cheap shots on a few occasions that I thought hadn't spread any further than the Christians and the Tommies.

If it weren't for a rough night from the free throw line (and shooting percentage in general), CSB would have easily cracked the 100-point barrier, with only two starters playing 20 plus minutes.

Big game on Saturday against UST, as I hope the Blazers can finish the regular season on a high note (on senior day) and wrap up a spot alone in first place.  I predict a 15-point victory, as I don't expect the shooting woes CSB had at UST will be as much a concern.

Any thoughts on GAC-Carleton?  Tammy seems to get the "troops" (and I mean that literally, in some cases) fired up this time of year, so I expect a close game either way.

Go Blazers!!

oh yeah, and Tommies Suck!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 16, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 15, 2007, 06:38:13 PM
The Blazer win at Hamline was a pretty ugly one.  It turns out that not only basketball skill deficiencies are a concern with the program.  Last night, we saw a "Bethel-esque" display of rotten sportsmanship and cheap shots on a few occasions that I thought hadn't spread any further than the Christians and the Tommies.

If it weren't for a rough night from the free throw line (and shooting percentage in general), CSB would have easily cracked the 100-point barrier, with only two starters playing 20 plus minutes.

Big game on Saturday against UST, as I hope the Blazers can finish the regular season on a high note (on senior day) and wrap up a spot alone in first place.  I predict a 15-point victory, as I don't expect the shooting woes CSB had at UST will be as much a concern.

Any thoughts on GAC-Carleton?  Tammy seems to get the "troops" (and I mean that literally, in some cases) fired up this time of year, so I expect a close game either way.

Go Blazers!!

oh yeah, and Tommies Suck!

After a rocky start, CSB has had a fabulous year.  Their depth is incredible.  However, they lack the "go to" player that is so critical in the playoffs.  That's why I think the Gusties will win the MIAC playoff.  Their dynamic duo of Vadnais and Monahan will carry them.  Both are experienced and have been through it before.  Of course, they aren't unbeatable either.  I will not be surprised if they get ambushed tomorrow in Northfield.  Tammy will have her troops ready to go.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 16, 2007, 05:49:08 PM
I'm not that worried about tomorrow's tilt with the Knights, I'm more worried about a possible semifinal match-up with the Cobbers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 16, 2007, 09:00:36 PM
Nites, GAC- Pending the expected outcome tomorrow in Winona and a win vs. the Kitties, we relish another tight one in St. Peter!

Good luck to all!

Be careful in Northfield...it's Tammy time!

CSB, put on the extra pads, the Tommies are getting away with murder this time of year. But if Marty is officiating, you'll be fine. He and Mike are tight I hear. ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 17, 2007, 05:10:15 PM
Carleton up 43-37 with 13 minutes to play. I can't get any sound, but the Carlies video is working. All four GAC posts have at least 2 fouls, with the two starters sitting a good portion of the first with 2 I believe.

CAR seems to be at the FT line every possession.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 17, 2007, 05:33:28 PM
GAC getting killed on the boards, down 60-52 with 3:11 to play.

UST up on CSB 49-45 with about 5 minutes to go.

Could both top teams lose in the finale? Yuck.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 17, 2007, 05:41:09 PM
Wow. Terrible stretch for the refs/Gusties.

Carleton gets a board and basket, and a sketchy foul after the shot. Then Vadnais nails a crazy runner off the board and gets fouled but the refs wave off the basket. With the Gusties pressing, Vadnais runs into a hard pick near midcourt and gets floored. Foul of GAC.

Vadnais was down for a few minutes. Monahan has struggled with an injury of her own. A few days off will be needed after today I'd guess.

UST tied with CSB at 57 with 90 seconds to play.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 17, 2007, 05:49:26 PM
The Tommies beat the Bennies and the Carlies beat the Gusties. I'm guessing there won't be many happy posters here this weekend.

Assuming the Cobbers won today, who gets the #3 seed? It should still be CC, right?
Title: Re: St Ben's, St. Thomas
Post by: blazerguy on February 17, 2007, 06:49:31 PM
Just got back from the 59-57 loss to the Tommies. Both teams played well and the Tommies deserved a win. Ok, everybody got that, it wasn't the referee's fault that the Blazers lost, just a game that could go either way. Now let me rant a little, with 8 seconds left the Blazers had the ball in our own end, we set a nice double pick with Darby beyond the 3 point line, two St. Thomas players charged at full speed through both picks, leveling the players and sending them flying to the floor disrupting Darbys shot which went off the back board. Everyone, and I mean everyone, all fans, Tommies included, all coaches, and players knew there would be a foul called, even most likely a flagrent foul. And you guessed it, no foul called. It was the worst non-call I have ever seen. Come on MIAC, the league is better than the horrible officiating sometimes seen. All three referees should be reprimanded and suspended for this game. Especially the two male officials, they should be ashamed of their performance today, St. Bens fouled out 2 players, I don't remember any other player fouling out this year. A pittyful performance by the referees. Looks like poetic justice was eventually served, thanks to Carlton. Looking forward to the playoffs, but not the officiating!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 17, 2007, 11:37:16 PM
Blazerguy- I empathize with you! After the game the Cobbers had at St. Thomas, anything is possible with this squad. Unfortunately, they seem to pull off the miracle non-call at a crucial time. I'm glad they have to play Tammy in the first round.

Cobbers cruise in a game that looks closer than it was and take third place. Bring ont he Kitties! :D

Wierd ending to the season, makes the tourney a real toss-up!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2007, 12:26:17 AM
Here's the real question for the Bennie fans...is that apparent missed call worse than this example?

In the GAC/STO game Wednesday night, an extremely short, dark-haired female ref prepared for the jump ball. As the players move to their spots, she turned and told a GAC player to take something out of her hair (said player was at the captains meeting, where nothing was said). The ref immediately turned and tossed up the jump ball, with the other four Gusties watching and waiting for their teammate to be deemed street legal - Monahan didn't jump and no GAC player moved to retrieve the tip. It honestly looked like it was a practical joke pulled on the whole GAC team.

When Haller argued that it was a correctable mistake at the first dead ball (while the rest of the crowd either yelled or sat in stunned disbelief), the ref agreed with her. And simply let play continue as if nothing was wrong.

As an aside, you know the refs were brutal when a whole section groans when they see a certain ref walk in...and then everyone agrees afterward that she (tall, blond, short hair) was the best of the 3-man crew.

Obviously, this isn't a place where a league rep will see the mounting ref issues...but SOMETHING needs to be done. This crossed over into redic years ago and is only getting worse. I'm embarrassed watching some of these refs in action, but there never seems to be any improvement and/or guidance from those making the hires.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 18, 2007, 01:37:48 AM
UST played a perfect game today and executed surprisingly well on the offensive end.  Everything went right for UST and they deserved the victory.  They needed things to roll, bounce, skip, and drop their way and the stars aligned perfectly for them to pull off the upset.  CSB was in foul trouble all game long and that seemed to disrupt their rotation.  The non-call at the end of the game was appalling as Goehner was standing dead still at the foul line on the screen and was knocked to the floor out by the three point line by the UST defenders trying to get to Noreen.  Goehner was literally knocked from the foul line into Noreen who was two feet behind the arch.  Of course, if the foul had been called (and it should have), Goehner would have had to make two free throws...definitely not a gimmee as my Blazers have struggled a little from the stripe this year.  But, it's over and done with and the Tommies broke an 11 game losing streak to CSB...sadly...

But, THANKS to Carleton for making the CSB the undisputed and outright MIAC Champions!  We will gladly take the #1 seed and the title of conference  champs!  A tremendous team effort for the Blazers as they win the conference title with no player averaging in double figures on the season...great team basketball and tremendous coaching...let's get ready for a home game Thursday!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 18, 2007, 02:47:01 AM
Yuck, yuck, yuck....so disappointed today that I probably shouldn't even post.

The Gusties had one player show up today and that was Vadnais...who was taken out of the game with under three minutes to go on a screen by Lincoln...while I'm not sure Lincoln should have been called for a foul on the play I know for a fact that Vadnais should not have been called for a foul on the play like she was.

The Gusties did not deserve the victory, but Carleton and Terrible Tammy certainly got a good amount of help from the officials. The Knights shot 35 free throws to the Gusties' 19.

Closed circuit to Tammy: You can't call a time-out when there is a loose ball on the floor or when a player from each team has dual possesion...and second try to wear an outfit from some place other than Ragstock come playoff time.

The best example of Tammy's sideline sharades and classless manners today was when midway through the first half she gave a loud mocking clap toward the officials when the Gusties' Erin Boese was called for a foul...I looked up to the scoreboard thinking that the Knights must have been called for more fouls than the Gusties...wrong....the Gusties had been called for 8 fouls and the Knights 3!!!!

The sad thing with Tammy is that I think she is one of the top two coaches in the conference, but her actions on the sidelines are simply gross...and her players are catching on to her whining.

Hopefully the Gusties' can rebound by Thursday and come out with a little more energy than they did today.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:29:07 AM
If the officiating in this league is so bad, should the league work on its feeder system or pay more to keep quality officials from moving up the ladder?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 18, 2007, 08:03:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:29:07 AM
If the officiating in this league is so bad, should the league work on its feeder system or pay more to keep quality officials from moving up the ladder?
They need to get rid of the bad officials. My guess is nothing will be said or done to the two yahoo's from yesterdays Blazer/St.Thomas game. If there were suspensions and or reprimands of some kind we could get rid of the bad ones and replace them with new referees. If this is going on behind the scene, they should make it public, so the fans at least would know they were trying.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 18, 2007, 11:00:54 AM
I can't say I disagree with anything said in the last two pages.  I've come to the conclusion that MIAC refs may be beyond help.  There only consistency to be found from game to game is that the less talented team tends to get more calls and be given more leeway to make mistakes.

Aside to any refs reading this: calling touch fouls while other players are being mauled doesn't amount to "keeping the game under control".

I just hope that it doesn't take a major injury to a player to have the officiating examined, and Jamie Goehner is lucky she didn't come off the floor with a concussion on the last play.  The three baboons in stripes sprinted toward their locker room faster than I've seen in a long time, and appeared (to those close to the court who could hear) to be asking each other whether a cross check through a screen is worth a whistle.

That said, UST suits up the best fore-checking line in MIAC basketball.  They punish forwards who dare cross the blue line with the puck, "chip" with their off-hands when on offense, and plow through offensive lines like Warren Sapp in his prime.  Wait, sorry for getting my sports metaphors crossed, I guess I'm still weirded out by the game yesterday...

Either way, bring on the playoffs!  This year's tournament is really a toss-up, and I don't think there's a single team in the top 6 who couldn't realistically come away with this thing.  I'm glad that CSB has home court advantage, and I'm looking forward to the chase for an NCAA bid!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 18, 2007, 11:48:33 AM
I hate when people complain about officials deciding a game, but this time I have to agree with the other Blazer fans.  In fact, we could actually show everyone on the board what happened if the parent of one of the CSB players who caught it on tape (via his video phone) would load it to You Tube and attach a link here.  After watching the video after the game, I think the coaches should send the tape into the head of the MIAC officials not to protest, but just to show them that the officials did in fact decide the game by not making a call.  Jamie Goehner was pushed over by not only one, but two UST players, one of whom came charging from the baseline to the free throw line on a dead sprint like she was a blitzing linebacker looking to take out the blocking back to sack Darby Noreen. 

That said, UST played a great game and deserved the victory.  Now the Blazers can get ready for the biggest joke in sports, the conference tournament; an opportunity for one team to play well for one week and render an entire season of 22 games meaningless.  When you play every team in your conference twice and win your title by playing 3 months of consistent basketball, it's great to know you can just as well play .500 ball and have a chance to make the NCAA tournament.  Good luck to all of the teams who failed to win the games they played in the regular season and now have a third chance to get it right.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 18, 2007, 12:10:05 PM
Yet another WEIRD day in the MIAC as the regular season grinds to a halt.  Would have been cool to make it down to either Northfield  or up to St. Joe to witness the carnage but getting off work shortly before 3 P.M. yesterday had me settling for one of the in-town games (Olaf and Kate's)

UST may be winning ugly and all but they're arguably the hottest team coming down the stretch.  They found a way to win against all odds at CSB yesterday though that no-call toward the end when Goehner was crashed into by two UST players must still have red-clad Blazer fans seething ( :D ).  I haven't seen the boxscore yet but I am curious as to who/whom led the Tommies yesterday.

Meanwhile, down in Northfield, the Knights avenged an earlier embarrassment against the Gusties and spoiled GAC's hopes of sharing the regular conference crown.  I'm not yet sure what to make of this game although my knee-jerk reaction has me wondering if the Gusties were in something of a letdown mode and if so, why?  This is not the time of the year for GAC to think that it can just show up and win.  I honestly did not expect a lot out of the Knights this year after losing Megan Vig but I'm very concerned about GAC right now heading into the MIAC playoffs.  If they can't win the conference tourney with this team (and oh, by the way, the road runs through CSB again this year) they may never do it.  

Granted, UST grinded out a gritty road win against an old rival yesterday but the team I think to keep your eye on is St. Kate's.  The Kitties liabilities are defense and rebounding (though I have seen some improvement in the former) but they do know how to put points on the board and if their guns are firing on all cylinders (Petrich, Berglund, Hakanson) - look out.  They should have beaten Concordia up in Moorhead and at home and they really should have beaten Carleton at home.  Even one of the players from St. Kate's told me that it's hard to beat a team three times during a season and that they feel supremely confident they can get the job done up in M-head.  Should be a couple of good ones Tuesday night.    
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 18, 2007, 08:03:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:29:07 AM
If the officiating in this league is so bad, should the league work on its feeder system or pay more to keep quality officials from moving up the ladder?
They need to get rid of the bad officials. My guess is nothing will be said or done to the two yahoo's from yesterdays Blazer/St.Thomas game. If there were suspensions and or reprimands of some kind we could get rid of the bad ones and replace them with new referees. If this is going on behind the scene, they should make it public, so the fans at least would know they were trying.

Well, from what it sounds like, getting rid of the bad officials would leave the league with nobody to work games. :)

I'm not sure the league office is beholden to the fans to explain their evaluation system for game officials. I don't know of any league that does that.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 18, 2007, 01:52:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 18, 2007, 08:03:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:29:07 AM
If the officiating in this league is so bad, should the league work on its feeder system or pay more to keep quality officials from moving up the ladder?
They need to get rid of the bad officials. My guess is nothing will be said or done to the two yahoo's from yesterdays Blazer/St.Thomas game. If there were suspensions and or reprimands of some kind we could get rid of the bad ones and replace them with new referees. If this is going on behind the scene, they should make it public, so the fans at least would know they were trying.

Well, from what it sounds like, getting rid of the bad officials would leave the league with nobody to work games. :)

I'm not sure the league office is beholden to the fans to explain their evaluation system for game officials. I don't know of any league that does that.
Pat, If you follow WCHA hockey you would know that they will reprimand or suspend officals for poor performance, the NFL does the same, the NCAA D1 basketball has admitted when officials made mistakes and D1 football does the same. All levels have problems with the human element of officials but some hold the officials accountable and some (MIAC) don't seem to. The jump ball fiasco Willy spoke of is another example of officials not being held accountable. If they were, the ref would have corrected the obvious mistake. Another example in yesterdays game , late in the game Darby was retreving a loose ball and was literally tackled from behind by  a St Thomas player. The ref called traveling on Darby as she laid on the floor with an ankle injury. Go figure. The St. Thomas players were actually laughing at the call they were so surprised. I love MIAC womens basketball, the players, fans and coaches deserve better from the league.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
Fair enough but all of those are also professional or Division I leagues. That's not really in the real of what we're dealing with here.

How do you know they're not accountable unless you work in the league office? They're just not accountable to you.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 18, 2007, 11:07:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
Fair enough but all of those are also professional or Division I leagues. That's not really in the real of what we're dealing with here.

How do you know they're not accountable unless you work in the league office? They're just not accountable to you.
I don't know if they are held accountable, I only surmise that they aren't because of the non response from league officers on any officiating questions and the continued low level of referees. I understand D3 is not professional or D1, that doesn't mean we should accept less and give up. As I said before, the players, fans and coaches deserve better than we are getting. I will guarantee you this, if they were accountable to me, I would raise the level a notch or 4 or 5!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 19, 2007, 12:58:50 PM
I'm predicting the double upset today.  Concordia is not that great on D, and they had the long trip this weekend, and I think it showed against SMU.  With 17 minutes left in the game, they had to pull out all the stops to keep from blowing the game.  Sorry Korn, the game was as close as it looked.  Maybe not for the first 23 minutes, but the last 17, Concordia did not look good.  In a game that will be up and down the whole way with little defense played, I'm giving the edge to CSC.  They are going to be more fresh.

In the other game, UST is hot and confident after a big win over CSB.  Carleton is tough at home, and they have proven they are much better with Lincoln than without her.  I give the edge to UST though, it doesn't seem like any one has slowed them down since their losses to SMU and STO.  We shall see though.  Best of luck to all teams, and safe travels.  Here's hoping for an exciting conference tournament.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 19, 2007, 01:10:03 PM
Assuming CSB and GAC reach the finals — and that's a fairly big assumption given their recent performances — what are the chances the loser of that game gets an at-large berth? Anyone want to take a stab at it? Pat, what do your charts say?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 01:20:36 PM
Seems like a fairly good chance. St. Ben's chances seem better as an at large -- slightly higher regional winning percentage and QOWI entering the week.

You guys want to root for the favorites in a handful of leagues: NESCAC (Bowdoin), Messiah (MAC Commonwealth), SUNYAC (Cortland State), Fitchburg State (MASCAC), Scranton (MAC Freedom) at the top of the list. These are all likely to be one-team leagues unless the leader gets upset. The leaders would all be Pool C locks.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 19, 2007, 03:23:51 PM
Pat is it also true that the Gusties would probably need Luther and Puget Sound to win their conference's automatic berths since they are ahead of the Gusties in the region rankings.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 06:35:22 PM
Not necessarily -- first of all, there is a week of games and two rankings, one of which we get to see, before selections are made.

If both schools lose in their tournaments and are still ahead of GAC on Selection Sunday, however, then they will have to be selected first before Gustavus can be.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 20, 2007, 10:47:37 PM
Looks like the home teams took care of business tonight.  Carleton appears to have benefitted from officiating finally catching on to the Tommies thugism, with Katch and Porter-Wrozos fouling out, and Wirtz and Prioleau with 4 fouls each.

Any feedback from fans at either game?

Do the Gusties have a cure for their Cobber-phobia?

What antics will Tammy the Terrible bring to Claire Lynch?

All the makings of a classic night on Thursday!

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 21, 2007, 01:37:34 AM
Blazer fans, Tammy isn't the only one you have to watch out for....beware of the flying elbows of one named Sarah Lincoln...in two games this year she has given Vadnais stitches above her eye in game one and a mild concussion in game two.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 21, 2007, 02:26:52 AM
East Coast, LA Rams- So much for poor defense and a long road trip! I prefer to avoid predictions and keep my pontificating to the quality of officiating... ;)

Kitties fade in a wild second half. Cobber Freshman Chelsea Evenstad delivers quality mintues with Hageman in foul trouble and shuts down the Kittie post (I think that's defense). Unable to get the offense to go through the post, Kittie's defense goes flat. Cobber defense on Petrich holds her to mere 5 points. Defensive rebound edge to the Cobbers by 10.

Keely puts the Cobbers on her back in the second half and carries them to victory.

Yeah, we can beat a team three times in a row...

Onto Gustavus!!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 21, 2007, 10:42:53 AM
Sorry Korn, giving up 72 points is not defense.  Concordia can play defense in stretches, but not for a whole game, and not consistently.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 21, 2007, 04:49:21 PM
A few things to throw out there...

Monahan is the lone MIAC finalist for the prestigious Jostens Award.

Rumor has it Terrible Tammy was pissed after the game last night. How dare the refs call 8 fouls on her team?? The Tommies got and deserved all 25 fouls, but her team played a flawless game and didn't foul once! The 30-6 FT discrepancy is not enough!  ::)

Her performance Tuesday has prompted Vegas to take the pissing match Thursday between Durbin and TT off the board  :-*

EC - Someone sounds bitter.

Korn - Word for the wise: I'd avoid the yellow look tomorrow night, sticking to that ugly maroon :)

Final West Region Rankings
1 Luther 16-2 20-4
2 Simpson 16-4 20-5
3 Puget Sound 16-3 20-5
4 St. Benedict 20-3 20-5
5 Gustavus Adolphus 21-4 21-4
6 George Fox 13-4 17-6
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 21, 2007, 05:27:05 PM
Hardly bitter.  I just don't agree with Korn's definition of good defense.  Gustavus and CSB have good defenses this year.  Concordia regularly gives up 70 to 80 points a night.  That's not good defense.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 22, 2007, 11:32:29 AM
Korn- take the compliment when you get it.  I believe our beloved Wonka just called you wise...  :o

Predictions for tonight?

Corn at Gackers -- Gus Young's magic returns just long enough for the home team to finally score in the last two minutes of a game against a team that plays no defense.  Hageman and Keely are outplayed ever so slightly by Monahan and Vadnais, the best two players who've ever put on a uniform in the MIAC. 
GAC- 61, CCM- 58

Blazers vs. Carl -- Tammy's tantrums aren't effective as Marty, Dave Winfield's brother, and Paula Abdul (the celebrity guest official) all turn out to be deaf as well as blind.  The only two fouls called in the game are the result of a double-technical called on Sarah Lincoln and one of the Benedictine sisters sitting a few rows behind the bench who takes offense at the 3 concussions meted out by the Knights' enforcer. 
CSB- 72, CC- 65
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 22, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
Concordia vs CSB in the finals.  Concordia wins it all as all CSB fans complain about how physical the whole league is, by implying that all other teams besides CSB throw elbows and play way to physical.  All teams should realize that CSB is the greatest thing since sliced bread and bow down to them.  I'm not sure why teams even show up to play CSB let alone play physical with them.  This is just such a dirty league.  Luckily we have CSB to be our lone classy program.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 22, 2007, 01:36:48 PM
East Coast has their undies all bunched up again.  I am thrilled to hear East Coast thinks everyone should bow dow to CSB and that the Blazers have the lone classy program in the MIAC.  I am so glad that East Coast has finally come around.

I believe that most who actually watch and follow MIAC women's hoops would say that over the past several years the most physical (and at times cheap) teams in the league have been UST, Bethel, and Carleton.  Those three teams have been called out on this board regularly for their very physical play.  Now, maybe East Coast THINKS those are the only MIAC schools but I do not hear many posters complaining about the play of GAC, Concordia, St. Kate's, and others...except the occassional comments about the lack of talent at places like MAC and Auggie.  I am leaving CSB out of it as those who like CSB will say they play classy and those pre-disposed to not liking CSB (East Coast) will say the opposite.

Maybe East Coast will take a pill, calm down, and enjoy the tourney.  That might be asking too much.  On to the more pressing matter...Carleton @ CSB.  Tantrum Tammy always seems to have her Knights ready for the playoffs and they seem to play well in the tourney at CSB...they have had loads of success in seasons past.  However, it is my hope that this is a different time and, of course, a different team.  I hope they have tired legs after playing on Tuesday.  If the Blazers can shoot better than they did last Saturday against UST they should be fine...otherwise, it could be an interesting night.  As for Concordia @ GAC - that would be a fun one to see as it appears they match up well.  If either Monahan or Vadnais score less than 10 points I see a Cobb victory.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 22, 2007, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: blazerball on February 22, 2007, 01:36:48 PM
Tammy always seems to have her Knights ready for the playoffs and they seem to play well in the tourney at CSB...they have had loads of success in seasons past.  However, it is my hope that this is a different time and, of course, a different team.  I hope they have tired legs after playing on Tuesday.  If the Blazers can shoot better than they did last Saturday against UST they should be fine...otherwise, it could be an interesting night.  As for Concordia @ GAC - that would be a fun one to see as it appears they match up well.  If either Monahan or Vadnais score less than 10 points I see a Cobb victory.


I agree with the GAC/Concordia assessment. 

As for the other matchup, if the Knights can limit their turnovers to 17 or less and hold CSB under 33% from three point range, I think the Knights win.  Their big achilles heel has been turnovers.  CSB has played very good defense this year as their depth allows the players to expend a lot of effort on the defensive end.  CSB needs to force turnovers and hold their own on the boards where the Knights are really tough this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 22, 2007, 02:42:39 PM
Willy - I'll be too dressed up coming from work to dress in my Maroon and Gold fatigues. Guess I'll go with understated black.... :D

East Coast - I'll give you the 72 points is not a total defensive effort. however, Cobbers aren't averaging giving up that many points. they did (And do) play enough good defense when they have to.

Looking forward to a great game tonight....Oh God, give us good refs!

Safe travels to all.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2007, 03:55:17 PM
Work? Who works on game day??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2007, 10:15:41 PM
St. Ben's and Gustavus both win
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: cobbernation on February 22, 2007, 10:30:46 PM
Gac beats Cobbers by 11.  GAC goes on 18-0 run to end the game.  Tough ways to go out.  Good season girls!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on February 22, 2007, 10:34:50 PM
Wonka: Don't forget the Patty melt with cheesy browns at Sal's PREGAME.....
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 23, 2007, 12:06:47 AM
Just back from St. Peter  :-[

Congrats to the Gusties. Their final 8 minutes were impressive and I cannot take anything away from them. Vadnais had some unreal drives and made shots, congrats.

Thankfully, the patheic officials did not have any influence on the outcome. How those three clowns got a playoff game is beyond me. They stunk!

Go get those cocky Bennies!

Congrats to the Cobber seniors Keely, White and Krabbenhoft. They will be missed and they had a great career at a great school with a great coach.

Didn't want this to end this way....sob!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 23, 2007, 12:12:40 AM
Pat- In your estimation, how much does the Simpson loss tonight in the IIAC semifinals help the loser of the St. Ben's/Gustavus game as far as a pool C bid?

Is the loser of that game in better shape than Simpson now?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 23, 2007, 12:48:11 AM
What a great win for the Blazers over Carleton tonight.  After being up by nearly 30 points St. Ben's cruised to victory and gave us cocky Bennies a chance to roost.  Tauer had a big game with 17 points and 9 rebounds.  Schmidt and Goehner combined for over 20 points off the bench and the CSB D shut down Oken-Berg, holding her to 3 points and 4 fouls.  That was pretty much the story of the game as Carleton could not work their offense around her.  The first-years for Carleton were held in check as well.  St. Ben's forced 20 Carleton turnovers and committed just 10 of their own.  I am very excited for Saturday and I do believe that both GAC and CSB will get bids just by getting to the title game.  I think they both have a shot at hosting the first round with a win.  It should be a great time.  I just hope the weather holds up so I can make the double header and catch the Johnnies and Tommies later Saturday night in St. Paul.  What a great day of basketball to look forward to. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 23, 2007, 01:06:43 AM
Well the Gustie victory was by no means as easy as the St. Ben's win was...but the Gusties finally got some of the things to go their way that Concordia had go their way the last 6 times the two teams had met - all Cobber victories.

The Gusties got big plays at big times from other players besides Monahan and Vadnais....After the Cobbers took their largest lead of 6 with 6 minutes to go, Erin Boese hit a big shot to stop the Cobber run...Kenzie Consoer had three huge shots inlcuding one that put the Gusties up three after Monahan had put the Gusties up for good with a three pointer....and Julia Schultz had 7 huge rebounds including several offensive boards during the Gusties' big run in the final 4 minutes.

The Gustie coaching staff also had a trick up their sleeve with the game on the line that Rahman has tended to have the past 3 years....With the Gusties up 6 in the waning minutes, Haller called an inbounds play that worked to perfection and got Radtke a wide open lay-up to push the lead to eight and the game was basically over at that point.

Can't wait for Saturday...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2007, 04:04:29 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 23, 2007, 12:12:40 AM
Pat- In your estimation, how much does the Simpson loss tonight in the IIAC semifinals help the loser of the St. Ben's/Gustavus game as far as a pool C bid?

Is the loser of that game in better shape than Simpson now?

It's a mixed bag mathematically. Simpson has a higher QOWI but a lower regional winning percentage.

30   10.409   3   Simpson   0.773 (17-5)   21-6
40   10.208   5   St. Benedict   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
44   10.115   6   Gustavus Adolphus   0.846 (22-4)   22-4
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 23, 2007, 08:36:04 AM
Awesome performance by the Blazers last night!  They really stuck it to the Knights.  The two best regular season teams (on both the Men's and the Women's side) meet for the championship.  Hopefully, both CSB and GAC will get in the tourney regardless of the outcome on Saturday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 23, 2007, 10:12:08 AM
Bring on Showdown Saturday!  Nothing better for the CSB and SJU fans than both Johnnies and Blazers in the playoff title game.  With the predicted storm, the crowd in St. Joseph tomorrow may not be what we hope...  It would be great to see both GAC and CSB in the NCAAs on Sunday, but I'm assuming nothing.

I'd say the key play last night at St. Ben's (some might call it the "flipping point") happened about five minutes in, with Carleton holding a slim lead.  In a struggle for a loose rebound, CSB's Alissa Mohr collided with Sarah Lincoln.  A foul was rightly called on Mohr for creating the initial contact, but the sequence ended with Lincoln's arm wrapped around Mohr's neck, which directly lead to Mohr hitting the ground hard.

With no foul called on Lincoln for a body slam pro wrestlers would be proud of, the Blazers responded by turning up the intensity a few notches, and the end result was an easier win than anybody could have predicted.

Oken-Berg's foul trouble was definitely the major difference for Carleton in the game, as the CSB posts were relentlessly attacking the rim all night.  One of her four fouls was questionable, but that's not a shock with inconsistent officiating.

It was a treat for the home fans to see all 5 CSB seniors end the game on the court together, including Katie Kempe's emotional introduction.  I'll give Tammy credit for telling the Carleton defense to let Kempe shoot at the end, knowing that it would likely be Katie's last on-court appearance as a player.  Unfortunately, each of Kempe's shots narrowly missed, but it's great to see an injured senior enjoy a minute or two of unexpected action after a major injury.

On to tomorrow, Go Blazers!! and Go Johnnies!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 23, 2007, 10:49:15 AM
My goodness...I don't want to be cocky...but, since we'll be accused of it regardless I will continue.  CSB put on an impressive display last night and completely dismantled the Knights.  Oken-Berg was rendered ineffective and Isler was an absolute non-factor (she really should not be a starter for a decent team...it shows how weak the Knights are at the guard spot).  CSB basically did what they wanted on both ends and cruised to the victory.  Carleton was clueless when Oken-Berg was off the floor.

Since I have given Tammy a hard time before on this page I will give her some credit and acknowledge that she was very classy when Katie Kempe came into the game with less than a minute left.  Mike Durbin wanted to honor Katie for all she has meant to the CSB program and let her step on the floor one more time with her teammates.  A much better memory than the last time she was on the floor.  Tammy called a timeout and told her team to let Katie shoot and I think they would have even let her drive for an uncontested layup.  But, with Katie's knee there was no way she was going to move or try a drive.  She missed her three looks but it was still exciting and I want to acknowledge and thank Tammy for the gesture.  Many CSB fans noticed it and it was appreciated.  I've taken my shots at Tammy but she was incredibly gracious last night...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 23, 2007, 12:27:07 PM
Quote from: blazerball on February 23, 2007, 10:49:15 AM
Since I have given Tammy a hard time before on this page I will give her some credit and acknowledge that she was very classy when Katie Kempe came into the game with less than a minute left.  Mike Durbin wanted to honor Katie for all she has meant to the CSB program and let her step on the floor one more time with her teammates.  A much better memory than the last time she was on the floor.  Tammy called a timeout and told her team to let Katie shoot and I think they would have even let her drive for an uncontested layup.  But, with Katie's knee there was no way she was going to move or try a drive.  She missed her three looks but it was still exciting and I want to acknowledge and thank Tammy for the gesture.  Many CSB fans noticed it and it was appreciated.  I've taken my shots at Tammy but she was incredibly gracious last night...

Her actions are completely consistent with her character and integrity.  She's a kind and caring person.    She's also passionate and highly competitive so in the heat of battle against your team, it's easy for someone to dislike her for reasons based upon perceptions that are wholly incongruous with reality.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 23, 2007, 12:44:02 PM
Blazer, Collegeville - Your cockiness is well earned and derserved (That's as close to a compliment as I can get today  :))

Nites- As one who also points out Tammy's on-court antics, I am in agreement as to her class. She's a real pro and worthy of respect. Like me, her competitve juices get the better of her...maybe that's why I like her!

Still have to pull for the Gusties though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 23, 2007, 05:25:01 PM
 ;D I also would like to give credit to coach Tammy for the way she handled Durbins substitution of Katie kempe with about 30 seconds left in the game. Mike put her in so she could leave her basketball career in a way that was better than being carried off the floor. The Carlton players defended her, rightfully so, as they would defend any player. I was watching to see what Tammys reaction would be, and as soon as she saw what was happening, she immediately called a timeout. When the timeout was over, Carlton no longer defended Katie and allowed her to take 3 open shots. I have a new appreciation for "Terrible" Tammy, and thank her for showing some real CLASS!! I might be as wrong about her as opposing fans are about Durbin. ;D  At least til next year... ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 23, 2007, 05:26:25 PM

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Her actions are completely consistent with her character and integrity.  She's a kind and caring person.    She's also passionate and highly competitive so in the heat of battle against your team, it's easy for someone to dislike her for reasons based upon perceptions that are wholly incongruous with reality.
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Nites...that may very well be the case...as an opposing fan it is grating a times to see some of her antics.  I know others criticize Durbin but your above comments would have to apply to him as well...maybe they apply to most coaches...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 23, 2007, 06:47:16 PM
Well said bb and bg.  The MIAC has some great coaches who, first and foremost, are fine people.  If you doubt that, just ask the kids who play for them.  That's the true litmus test.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 24, 2007, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Nites on February 23, 2007, 06:47:16 PM
Well said bb and bg.  The MIAC has some great coaches who, first and foremost, are fine people.  If you doubt that, just ask the kids who play for them.  That's the true litmus test.

While I agree with your sentiment - that no one outside the lockerroom really matters - I can't agree wholeheartedly (Not that my opinion as an outsider really matters :P ). While it's clearly comparing apples to oranges, can't you use the same premise - asking a leaders disciples - to defend William Joseph Simmons, Hitler and other nefarious characters? Heck, even Ron Artest is a noted humanitarian off the court. Does that mean people should forget what happens after the ball is tossed up?

I've heard one non-GAC coach say Durbin and Tammy are the least liked, least respected coaches in the MIAC and I'm pretty sure others have at least mumbled it under their breath. But go ahead and bash away for my voicing an opinion shared by the masses :-*

korn - Where were you Thursday? The refs weren't terrible, but a few of the fouls on Hageman were extremely weak...and that ended up playing a huge role in the loss. When #44 came in for her, Monahan went nuts to start the Gustie run.

Off to the games soon...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 24, 2007, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 24, 2007, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Nites on February 23, 2007, 06:47:16 PM
Well said bb and bg.  The MIAC has some great coaches who, first and foremost, are fine people.  If you doubt that, just ask the kids who play for them.  That's the true litmus test.

While I agree with your sentiment - that no one outside the lockerroom really matters - I can't agree wholeheartedly (Not that my opinion as an outsider really matters :P ). While it's clearly comparing apples to oranges, can't you use the same premise - asking a leaders disciples - to defend William Joseph Simmons, Hitler and other nefarious characters? Heck, even Ron Artest is a noted humanitarian off the court. Does that mean people should forget what happens after the ball is tossed up?

I've heard one non-GAC coach say Durbin and Tammy are the least liked, least respected coaches in the MIAC and I'm pretty sure others have at least mumbled it under their breath. But go ahead and bash away for my voicing an opinion shared by the masses :-*...
Willy, .....Hitler..... :-X.... Not even I will take that bait!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 24, 2007, 05:56:13 PM
GREAT game today in St. Joseph.  Both teams went back and forth from start to finish, but the Blazers come out on top by 2!! 

CSB is only the second team in conference tournament history to win the title game with the #1 seed, and they needed every last second of the game to do it.

My hat is off to the Gusties for a great game, and I'm excited for the NCAA tournament to fire up.  With matching 22-5 overall records, it would be hard for the selection committee to leave one of the two teams at home.  However, I'll admit to a huge sigh of relief that my favorite team has the automatic bid!

Go Blazers!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 24, 2007, 06:46:34 PM
LET'S GO DANCING!  Blazers win...on a day when the Blazers did not execute very well they get the job done and prove they are the best team in the MIAC!  Regular season and conference tourney champs...the first time it has been done since the tourney started!  Mackenzie O'Neil had a big day with 12 pts, 10 rips, and 8 steals.  Dalhed plays good D on Vadnais and keeps her to 12.  Monahan had 11 in the first half and did not get a fg in the second...WAY TO GO BLAZERS! 

Willy...say what you will...a non-GAC coach does not like the TWO winningest coaches in the MIAC.  SHOCKING!  Sounds like a little envy to me...love them or hate them Durbin and Tammy get it done.  And today, DURBIN and the BLAZERS are on top again...I guess a few more non-GAC coaches just like and respect him even less...maybe because his teams are always at the top and they seem t to always win 20 games?  Jealousy is an ugly emotion...but I forgive you...it's a beautiful day today even with the snow!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Korn Lover on February 24, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
Congrats to the Blazers on the win.

Here's hoping the Gusties get a bid as well.

Willy - It's old news but I thought reffing was very inconsistent on Thursday.  Held balls at one end were reach fouls at the other. In addition,  have found the refs this year did not at all look for body fouls in the paint. Too much watching the ball.

For the record, #44 came in for White who did a great job on Monahan. Also, Chelsea (#44) will be a great player, she's a freshman with tons of talent!

Good luck to all in the tourney.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 24, 2007, 09:32:42 PM
It was a good game today, both teams played hard and the officials were pretty good.

Durbin didn't annoy me too much today...the only thing that was odd was that he was all over the officials about the Gusties and when they broke the huddle after timeouts. He kept wanting the officials to put the ball in play the split second after the second horn went off...which never happens. Odd. But whatever.

Mackenzie O'Neil was player of the game for sure...her contributions really helped the Blazers today.

Things around the country appear to be going fairly well as far as pool C hopefuls...only a few upsets...it would appear that McDaniel and Calvin are pool C locks after losing today.

Luther won which is good for Gustavus...now we need Puget Sound to defeat George Fox tonight.

Two possible pool C teams that will be interesting decisions for the committee are Chicago and Illinois Wesleyan...Chicago started the season 16-0, but has gone 2-8 to finish the season...they do play in that tough UAA conference, but still, after losing 8 of 10 it will be a tragedy if they get in...Illinois Wesleyan is a similar situation...just five losses overall like the Gusties but 4 in their last 6 games...I would hope Gustavus would get in over these two teams.

Go Puget Sound!!!!

Update: Puget Sound 51 George Fox 58   Final
-Puget Sound blows a 13-point halftime lead....loses for the 3rd time this season to GF
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 25, 2007, 08:55:02 AM

Definitely a great game up in St. Joe yesterday as the Gusties came up just short.  Things looked good about midway thru the 2nd half when the Gusties were able to get a 10-point cushion but the Blazers turned up the intensity on defense and slowly chipped away at the Gustie lead.  The only real problem I had with the officiating was the time-out that was allowed as one of the CSB players had the ball and appeared to be falling out of bounds (Noreen?).  Just had a real problem with that one.  Other than that, I give full credit to the Blazers for a hard-fought victory in a very good game.

Barring an unforseen act of God or nuclear war I'm just sure the Gusties being in the Dance is a done deal.  There's absolutely NO WAY you can keep them out now.  If, if, if, God forbid, the Gusties get the shaft and get left out I hope Mr. McKane raises holy hell with the NCAA like he should.  I'm sick of the MIAC getting slighted by the NCAA and D3 Hoops.

Memo to CSB:  I realize that your students want spring break just as much as everybody else but would it be TOO MUCH to ask that you hold off until like, say, mid-March when pretty much every other college and university has their spring break period to hold yours?  I had my heart set on eating a good lunch at the world-famous McGlynn's only to discover that place was shut down and deader than Julius Ceasar upon stepping in from the storm.  Instead, I had to settle for a freaking hot dog and nachos.  In the immortal words of Jack "Hacksaw" Reynolds of my Los Angeles Rams I was VERRRRY DISAPPOINTED.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 25, 2007, 01:33:13 PM
Good game by both teams. CSB deserved to win, though GAC's final two possesions presented a lot of what-ifs. For the first time ever at the Bennie gym, I liked the court and atmosphere. But, please, someone buy the lady running concessions as calculator...or at least use whole numbers. It took her around five minutes to add 1.35 + 1.35 in her notebook and return correct change for a 5...

Allowing that timeout was the correct call in a game that was one of the better officiated games I saw this season. The Bennie had established possession with her feet in bounds - I was eying up the endline. The short female ref was the one who created the jump ball fiasco with Olaf, but did a passable job yesterday.

Interestingly enough, female officials are worse than men — at least in the recent history of the MIAC as rated by the league coaches. Someone who now works for the league did a study on it and found that more than 99% of the time this is a true statement. It had no bearing yesterday, but it's just some food for thought as you watch the stripes take the court over the coming years...For what it's worth, I'd bet the tall blond lady has never gotten a good review.

With the way the Bennies got shafted by the NCAA with a similar (better?) record a few years back, I'm nervous for tonight's announcement. Should GAC get in, it'll be interesting to see if the pairings present the opportunity for a fourth meeting in the second round. I'd expect a better turnout for that game given the weather, significance of the game and no SJU game conflicts.

Will CSB get a bye and might that be a bad thing? I've been on both sides and I always preferred to keep playing, even if it meant less home games.

1-6 FG, 5 points, 4 turnovers. Let's hear it for Pat's All American! ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 25, 2007, 01:48:47 PM
Gusties rooting for DePauw and Bowdoin today...both trailing by 1 at halftime.

Update: DePauw and Bowdoin both win.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 25, 2007, 03:08:55 PM
Gusties are PROJECTED to be IN the field by D3hoops.com!!!! Let's hope they are right.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 25, 2007, 03:42:38 PM
Yes, I see that as well.  Wonder if they'll somehow pair up GAC and CSB with the two IIAC teams projected to get in?  If Simpson gets in GAC sure as hell better. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 25, 2007, 04:29:19 PM
If GAC makes it in (and it is no lock give the selection committee and their past history with MIAC teams) it looks like Simpson will also get in so they can have a sectional at Luther with GAC playing Luther and CSB playing Simpson.  It will not surprise me if it happens...it's just unfortunate as it would be the third consecutive year CSB has been matched up with Simpson in Round One...it would be fun to see some different teams!  But, that would be my prediction...prepare to head to Decorah...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2007, 10:30:11 PM
Gustavus is in
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 25, 2007, 10:45:17 PM
Blazerball, if you'd like to face Luther, I think the Gusties would gladly play Simpson.  ;D

So we're in...I'm happy for the girls, this season has felt like an NCAA Tournament season so I'm glad it's going to happen. If it gets bracketed the way that has been discussed (Luther v. GAC and Simpson v. St. Ben's) I hope the MIAC can kick some IIAC butt.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2007, 09:08:51 AM
GAC goes out west.

St. Bens goes to Stout, plays Wheaton
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 26, 2007, 10:12:51 AM
Shoot.  Thought we might have a MIAC-IIAC get-together down in Decorah which would have been cool but the Gusties are heading out to Oregon instead.  I'm glad they're in at least.  They've got a tough one in George Fox on their home court and the winner would get the Puget Sound - McMurry survivor.

Blazer fan, I see you advancing to the second round across the River over in Menominee where you'll likely get hammered playing Stout.  I wish I could move you guys further in but I just don't see it happening.

Go Gusties and go Blazers.  Represent. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 26, 2007, 10:19:35 AM
Here are the brackets:

http://www.d3hoops.com/springfield/07/wbbbracket07.pdf (http://www.d3hoops.com/springfield/07/wbbbracket07.pdf)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 26, 2007, 01:07:22 PM
Good luck to the Gusties out west!  Either way, it should be a fun trip for the team, and hopefully the MIAC will come out of at least the first round with both teams intact.  That hasn't happened in a while, but both of our entries this season are scrappy enough and D-focused enough to keep pretty much any game close!

I'll admit not knowing a whole lot about Wheaton, but I'm glad that my Blazers have as close to a home game as possible without actually hosting. 

Go MIAC, and Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2007, 12:17:23 PM
Congrats to both GAC and CSB on getting into the tourney, and hopefully you guys can win a couple games.  I am interested in seeing CSB play UW-Stout if they win their first round game. After what Stout did to my Cobbers I want to see what the Blazers look like against them.

Anyway, what's everyone's take on the MVP race this year? Is it just a battle of the big girls, Monahan and Hageman, or do Vadnais and Keeley have a shot at some votes?? Personally I think that those are the only 4 candidates.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on February 27, 2007, 02:42:06 PM
Jess Vadnais should be the run away winner for MVP.  Bri Monahan is very talented but in my opinion the Gusties would be worse off not having Vadnais on the floor then Monahan.  I wouldn't limit the discussion to the four players mentioned as Oken-Berg, Berglund, and Schneider had excellent years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2007, 02:44:48 PM
Naf-  I agree with your assessment of the GAC duo, both great players but Vadnais is the one that makes the team go. I guess it is just wait and see time now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 27, 2007, 10:14:25 PM
gacbacker - Are the Gusties funding your trip out west? If I promise to sing the national anthem, will Haller help fund my travel?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 27, 2007, 10:33:12 PM
I will hit on my post-season awards before I get into the important stuff...the dance!  I know some of these categories do not exist but...

Player of the Year: Jess Vadnais
Coach of the Year: Mike Durbin
Sixth Player of the Year: Mindy Schmidt
All First-Year Team: Schmidt, Connor, Radtke, Sorbo, Danielle Johnson

Vadnais, in my mind, was the clear PoY.  Monahan and Hageman were in the conversation but Vadnais was the easy pick for me...tough, handles the ball, and really runs the show for GAC.  The standard PoY pick in the past has been the best player on the best team in the conference...that is not possible as the best team in the MIAC, the Blazers, was the most balanced team.  So...my new category of Team of the Year: THE BLAZERS! 

On to the tourney...GAC gets shipped west but their bracket looks reasonable and I think they have a legit shot at coming out of it IF Vadnais is healthy...

The CSB bracket is interesting with Simpson and Stout.  I am very familiar with Simpson having seen them the last two years.  I saw Stout last year and they are also a good team that likes to get up a down.  They have a monster in the middle with Duoss who will give any team a fit.  The Simpson-Stout game should be a track meet and fun to watch (if my Blazers win the first game).  I know nothing about Wheaton other than what I can glean from their Web site.  They do not appear real deep and it appears that have a pretty good 6'2" post that keeps them in ball games...anyone know anything about Wheaton? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: swiss on February 28, 2007, 03:44:10 AM
How many of your Gustie fans do you think will make the trip to Oregon?  Any estimates? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 28, 2007, 04:26:46 PM
swiss - It will be parents and siblings only I'd think, assuming the weather cooperates. With a big storm set to hit MN tonight, it will be interesting to see how the flights pan out.

Early reports have Vadnais winning the MVP and Monahan and Boese both being named to the All-D team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: sumander on February 28, 2007, 08:29:02 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 28, 2007, 04:26:46 PM
swiss - It will be parents and siblings only I'd think, assuming the weather cooperates. With a big storm set to hit MN tonight, it will be interesting to see how the flights pan out.

Early reports have Vadnais winning the MVP and Monahan and Boese both being named to the All-D team.

Willy, is that another sibling? If so, there had to have been some fun battles in the driveway!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2007, 10:42:43 PM
Quote from: blazerball on February 27, 2007, 10:33:12 PM
I know nothing about Wheaton other than what I can glean from their Web site.  They do not appear real deep and it appears that have a pretty good 6'2" post that keeps them in ball games...anyone know anything about Wheaton? 

All I know is that Wheaton played a couple WIAC teams this year.  They lost by 18pts to 8th place UWO and by 27pts to 4th place Stevens Point.  I guess they had a couple players injured though.  It also looks like they finished the season pretty well.  I would think it would be a close game decided by tempo.  If its fast paced that would favor St. Bens, but a slow paced game would favor Wheaton
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 01, 2007, 01:29:31 PM
The League awards have been announced.  Vadnais take POY.

http://www.miac-online.org/wbbawards07.html (http://www.miac-online.org/wbbawards07.html)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 01, 2007, 08:40:01 PM
Sum - Yup, the last sibling with college eligibility...unless you count my last year on the gridiron that will never get used :)

Wonka is currently waiting for the oxen to get hitched and the wagon caravan to head west. The snow and ice makes caulking the wagon unnecessary but we'll soon see if fording the frozen rivers we'll face works out. Assuming all goes well, game reports may be possible after the game/games...and gacbacker will be on the call, for anyone stuck back in the blizzard.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 02, 2007, 05:35:34 PM

A HUGE congrats to the Little Lefty getting POY honors.

Glad to hear the GAC squad managed to get out of Dodge early yesterday A.M.; I would have thought for sure they would have left like Wednesday afternoon or evening so they were cutting it close the way the weather was.  Did CSB get over to UW-Stout okay?  Of all the times we had to get hit it was now..........

Should be a good game tonight between the Gusties and George Fox.  It will be tough for GAC to steal this one on George Fox's home court but it's not out of the realm of possibility.  I just hope they can find a way to get it done.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 02, 2007, 06:45:47 PM
CSB leads Wheaton 23-21 at the half.  The Blazers started out hot, getting out to a 14-4 lead early, before Wheaton countered with a run of their own.

More turnovers than usual for both teams in the first half, as the refs are calling a TON of travels.

Second half underway in a few minutes...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 02, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
We have overtime!  57-57

The MIAC isn't the only conference with iffy officiating.  CSB with a three point lead under a minute, Wheaton in the full-court press and trying to foul.  Wheaton guard pushes O'Neil in the back, and a traveling violation is called, the third questionable call to go against CSB in an 80-second span.

Wheaton then hits a 3 with 24 seconds left, missed shots for both teams, and the clock runs out.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 02, 2007, 07:54:47 PM
Double OT on the way, 67-67.  Buzzer beating 3-point heave from a back-up player who apparently said her prayers, and we have ANOTHER extra period in Menomenie...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 02, 2007, 09:05:30 PM
Heartbreaker in Wisconsin tonight, as Wheaton comes out on top, 79-75, in a game that was as close as a four-point win in double overtime would seem to be.

It's a shame one of the teams had to lose the game, and a bigger shame that so many strong teams were matched up in one corner of the bracket.  In this 4-team "section", there are 3 conference tournament/regular season champs.

I'm very proud of the Blazers for another typically gritty battle tonight.  Ellie Boone ended her career on a VERY high note with a career-high 31 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 steals.  O'Neil chipped in 19 points, 11 rebounds, and 4 steals.

Wheaton and (probably) Stout should have a barn-burner tomorrow, but Wheaton sure used a lot of gas squeeking past CSB.

Good luck Gusties, keep the MIAC alive!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2007, 11:43:05 PM
CM-

You must mean Simpson and Wheaton.

Simpson played a wonderful game and upset Stout on its home court, 91-86
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2007, 11:56:15 PM
I know its late, but if anyone reads this very soon, you can catch the video feed on the Gustie game.  However, with less than 10min to go, GAC down 16pts.  Go to the Gustie homepage and click on "live broadcasts"
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
Final

GF 61
GAC 47

GF pretty much in control the whole game
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 12:40:36 AM
Wheaton over St. Bens in 2-OT

Close game all the way.  CSB did a good job of getting the ball inside and finishing.  Boone was nearly unstoppable, using her size as an advantage.  On the other hand, Wheaton shot pretty decent from the outside and also scored on the inside.  CSB takes a 57-50 lead with less than 2min left, but Wheaton goes on a 7-0 run to take it to OT.  In the OT, Wheaton shoots a 3 and misses but the ball bounces right to another Wheaton player standing at the 3 pt line.  The CSB player guarding her falls down and she hits a 3 just as the buzzer sounds to send it to 2-OT.  Wheaton does a good job of hitting FTs down the stretch.

Good crowd from St. Ben's

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 03, 2007, 02:40:01 AM
Bummer night for the MIAC...who would have thunk that Ellie Boone would score 31 and the Blazers would lose?!?@#@!?@!! I saw in the box that Dalhed didn't even attempt a shot? Did she aggrevate an injury vs. GAC or in practice?

The Gusties never really had a shot tonight...they were thoroughly dominated in the first half...The Gusties went to a 1-3-1 for about three possessions and gave up nine points.

The Gusties would have matched up with Puget Sound better...but I'm not sure they would have beat them either.

On a good note, Vadnais tied the school record for 3 pointers made in a season with 62...ties her with Angie Peterson.

22-6 is a pretty good year....but here begins life without Monahan.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2007, 09:27:34 AM
Definitely a disappointing outing for the MIAC last night as both the Gusties and the Blazers go down.  At least CSB went down in 2 OT's.  Wish I could say the same for the Gusties who never really got anything going last night.  Just so disappointing how the MIAC seems like such a weak-a$$ conference on the national stage anymore.  Who would have thought that Simpson would beat UW-Stout in their own crib?  Luther easily took care of business at home.  Seems like the MIAC has been steadily going downhill ever since the Mullet left UST.

In the immortal words of "Hacksaw" Reynolds, I'm VERRRRY DISAPPOINTED.  :(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: swiss on March 03, 2007, 12:11:13 PM
You Gustie fans can be proud of your team last night.  They played well, and with class, in spite of the outcome.  The Bruins came out as focused and intense as they have been all season with our captains (Taylor and Campbell) leading the way.  But Monahan and Vadnais were both impressive players and no one on your team needs to apologize for their performance.  I know it's disappointing but I hope the experience in Oregon is something your team can build on for next year.  Maybe we'll catch you again somewhere down the road.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: swiss on March 03, 2007, 04:44:20 PM
If any Gustie or MIAC fans want to see some photos of last night's GFU v GAC game, you can go to:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/psyhub (http://www.flickr.com/photos/psyhub) to see about 100 shots that are in my photo stream.  Click on the GFU v GAC set on the right side of the page.

Obviously, these photos are focused on Bruin players and fans but I included some Gustie players and coaches both directly and indirectly.  Feel free to make comments, mark favorites, or make prints (either on your own printer or at Target which is linked to Flickr).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on March 04, 2007, 12:00:56 AM
Congratulations to both GAC and CSB on fine seasons.  I wish they had been able to play a little longer!

I was at the CSB/Wheaton game last night and it was truly a heartbreaker.  I have complained about MIAC officiating in the past and it is awful...BUT...the WIAC officiating crew that worked the game last night called one of the worst games I have ever seen.  If that is the kind of officiating they get in the WIAC we are actually LUCKY with the officials we have in the MIAC.  It may sound like sour grapes but, unfortunately, the officials affected the outcome of the game.  Now, that being said and getting my venting out about the refereeing, CSB definitely made some mistakes at key moments when they could have put the game away.  It also did not help that at the end of the 1st OT CSB played great defense and a Wheaton player had to throw up an off-balance triple with 4 seconds left.  It missed badly - the ball bounced around and then bounced right out to a Wheaton player who picked it up and literally threw it from her hip with one second left and it went down at the buzzer...I knew we were in trouble headng into the 2nd OT. 

Kudos to Ellie Boone who dominated Jill Trenz.  Trenz may be an all-american candidate but the BEST player on the floor last night was Ellie Boone.  I had a feeling Wheaton would get drilled tonight by Simpson because they had one player go 49 minutes and another 47 minutes last night...they were not overly deep so I knew they would suffer tonight and they did...

Well, now it is on to the hot stove league as we see where some of the high school talent ends up.  I am looking forward to adding some nice talent in Blazer red next season to go with a good core of returners...   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 04, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Rough trip for the Gusties. A few parents with plane tix had to be left behind due to the weather and then the hotel doublebooked a few parents' rooms...which led to some interesting fireworks at 2am arrivals.

The late start time - roughly 8 p.m. PST, which translates to 10 p.m. "our" time - certainly seems to have played a prominent role in the loss. Monahan had 11 of the team's 19 points at half, as the team struggled mightily with just about every facet of the game. GAC outplayed them for the final 15 minutes, but pride was really all that was at stake by that point. I think they cut it to 8 or 10 with possession, but then they ran out of gas.

A team that normally shoots 32% from deep and has their second and third leading scorers - both posts - shoot a combined 5-17 usually doesn't win a game. However, when you make 3s on something like five straight possessions in the first half, it was more than enough to cover it.

Plus, Monahan got blocked twice early in the second and then wasn't as aggressive. GAC doesn't have enough scoring threats for that to happen.

While it didn't play a major role, the reffing was a little shaky out west as well. The first game - Puget Sound/McMurry - was extremely physical and the stripes let a lot go. That wasn't the case in the second game as GAC was whistled for 21 fouls to 13 for GFU, which led to a 27-10 disparity at the line. Despite these stats - and a 22-point lead early in the second - a group of about 6 GFU parents were up yelling at the refs every 30 seconds or so. Had they been calling the game, there would have been roughly 12 intentional fouls called on GAC. They clearly knew what they were talking about... ::)

The girls said afterwards that GFU was the best team they played this season, but the surge in the second half makes me wonder if things wouldn't be different if they played again. Or else maybe GAC and St. Ben's should just aim for an 18-6 record next year so the NCAA lets us stay home and play with our own bad refs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 04, 2007, 08:29:41 PM
Congratulations to my Blazers on a fantastic season. A special congrats to Coach Durbin for one great job of coaching this year. Coach took a team that lost one of the top players to ever play at St. Ben's, and molded them into a championship team. What are the chances of not having a single player average double figures in scoring and still win the MIAC? He's coach of the year in my book!! Ellie Boone was just coming into her own after missing parts of her previous 2 seasons, Jamie Goehner should be an inspiration to all D3 players that don't play more than 12 seconds the first 2 years, Darby Noreen played a solid 4 years and earned her all conference honors with her 3 point shooting and her consistent team play, Jen Dahlhed proved you can learn on the JV and become a contributer, Katie Kempe was a solid point guard and a team leader for 4 years, Ariel is just getting better and better and will challenge for All Conference next year, Nikki Carter took over for Katie and played excellent at point, MaCkenzie O'Neil, wow, exciting exciting, can't wait til next year, and Mindy Schmidt, what a freshman, big things ahead for her. Judy Falvey and Allyssa Mohr played good substitution minutes, all and all a terrific year. Again Congratulations. Rumor has it the Blazers have one of the best  recruiting classes, EVER!!, coming in next year, that should be interesting!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Naf layor on March 13, 2007, 03:30:03 PM
Does anyone know why they added a Sportsmanship Award?  And, besides good sportsmanship, what is the criteria for the team?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 14, 2007, 12:11:12 PM
Congrats to Jess Vadnais, Bri Monahan, Melanie Hageman, Ellie Boone, and Hannah Oken-Berg on being named to the All-Region West Team(s).

Jeez, this board sure gets quiet once the season is over, doesn't it?  :-[
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 20, 2007, 01:03:18 AM
Note to Pat for future reference
A player who finishes top 5 in the MIAC in scoring, assists, 3-pointers made and assists/turnover ratio returning with basically the same lineup is always a better candidate for preseason honors than a good one-dimensional shooter who loses the teammate who demands double teams. It flabbergasts me that this needs to be said.

But, since you didn't believe me all year, maybe Vadnais winning the league MVP and being named one of the Top 10 performers in the nation by WBCA/Kodak will be enough for you to admit your egregious omission - I'll back off slightly and make it singular, though Monahan was named a Top 40 player by the same group. I mean, if gacbacker can admit Ellie Boone's skills after her stellar game then owning up to this is the least you can do.

Three asides
1. CSB fans would have DIED if they could have seen gacbacker's face when I told him Boone's stats in the final game. It was priceless.
2. Vadnais will be on preseason lists next year, but not after the season. Her main stats will stay the same, but GAC's record will be worse and she'll force more shots - some may argue that that's impossible, but I'm predicting some decidedly ugly games without Monahan inside.
3. The chase scene to start Casino Royale is pretty sweet.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 01:19:07 AM
Thanks. Amazing what happens with 20-20 hindsight.

Your player got on the All-American team. It is now time for you to stop beating your dead horse. If you don't, you won't be posting anymore.

It's a good thing I had Mark Simon and Gordon Mann select the team. They don't know what a bitch you've been on this subject all year. If it had been me selecting the team perhaps Vadnais might've suffered subconsciously. I have no idea.

How do you feel when a whiny parent of a high school player in your paper's area bitches and moans constantly? That's how I feel whenever you post about the 2006-07 preseason All-American team. It does NOT help GAC in any way and is more likely to hurt your alma mater.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 20, 2007, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 01:19:07 AM
It's a good thing I had Mark Simon and Gordon Mann select the team. They don't know what a bitch you've been on this subject all year. If it had been me selecting the team perhaps Vadnais might've suffered subconsciously. I have no idea.

How do you feel when a whiny parent of a high school player in your paper's area bitches and moans constantly? That's how I feel whenever you post about the 2006-07 preseason All-American team. It does NOT help GAC in any way and is more likely to hurt your alma mater.

Well that's responsible journalism.

Pat, Willy Wonka has successfully (and intentionally) gotten under your skin. I'm not going to try to tell you what to do, but you might want to try ignoring him.  ???

Willy is correct that I almost suffered a heart attack when I learned of E.B.'s 31 point performance in the Blazers' season ending loss.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 12:10:28 PM
We don't stand for ax-grinding here, however. The rules are written and can be enforced if necessary.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 20, 2007, 09:48:55 PM
I'll keep this short, so the King doesn't get to slay the dragon.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 01:19:07 AM
It's a good thing I had Mark Simon and Gordon Mann select the team. They don't know what a bitch you've been on this subject all year. If it had been me selecting the team perhaps Vadnais might've suffered subconsciously. I have no idea.

Mark, Gordon and you have the time and qualifications to coach college women's hoops? Amazing. The WBCA must be proud.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 01:19:07 AM
How do you feel when a whiny parent of a high school player in your paper's area bitches and moans constantly? That's how I feel whenever you post about the 2006-07 preseason All-American team. It does NOT help GAC in any way and is more likely to hurt your alma mater.

It hasn't happened in nearly two years. Whether this is due to my complicated selection process (as noted above) or reader apathy, I can't say. I do know it wouldn't change my objectivity.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 23, 2007, 03:01:56 AM
I'm curious as to what happened to the post from earlier tonight. It was up for around 30 minutes, broke none of Pat's infamous Golden Rules and yet somehow disappeared.

Are we in the Soviet Union during the Cold War or what?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2007, 03:46:48 PM
Not sure. I got in the car around 1 a.m. to drive down to D.C. to spend the weekend with my wife and kids and this is my first trip to the MIAC women's board in a while.

There are about 10 people with moderator access besides me.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 23, 2007, 10:06:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2007, 03:46:48 PM
Not sure. I got in the car around 1 a.m. to drive down to D.C. to spend the weekend with my wife and kids and this is my first trip to the MIAC women's board in a while.

There are about 10 people with moderator access besides me.

Weird. I guess that bright red name that's impossible to miss was incorrect when it said you were online around the same time the post, which happened to be respectfully disagreeing with you, disappeared last night then.

I'm sure it's just some glitch with the boards ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on March 23, 2007, 10:07:45 PM
Amazing Wonka, I am sure he had nothing to do with it...  8)  8)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2007, 10:12:24 PM
My name is always in red, doesn't mean anything special. :)

I can only assume TDT had something to do with it, since he's tagged along with you here. In that case, I couldn't care less. If it's as you describe, I'm sure someone saw the post and the massive negative karma and decided his post needed to be pulled.

I already told you when I was online. You can also check my posting history if you like.

I find it hard to believe any TDT post as respectful.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: 1voice on March 24, 2007, 12:04:45 PM
Hey.

I hit the report to moderator thing on the bottom of the post. I didn't think Touchdown Tommy should be able to just jump into the conversation to be a snide jerk. What, -742 karma, why is he still posting?

Sorry to cause such a hubbub. Guess I really don't understand what this board is about anymore. I mostly lurk.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 25, 2007, 09:21:24 AM
Congrats again to the Little Lefty for being named onto the 3rd Team All-American list.

Pat, I know it's like crying over spilled milk but the WAG here is that Vadnais will probably be on your list for this next year, huh?  :-X

Willy, gas is already high enough as it is.  Stop wasting it by throwing it all over the board.  Save some for the car, yo.  :D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2007, 11:00:28 AM
Hmm, yeah -- sometimes a player returning from injury will pass a previous year's All-American on the following preseason list, but I don't think we have six guards who would pass her.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 25, 2007, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 20, 2007, 01:03:18 AM
Note to Pat for future reference
A player who finishes top 5 in the MIAC in scoring, assists, 3-pointers made and assists/turnover ratio returning with basically the same lineup is always a better candidate for preseason honors than a good one-dimensional shooter who loses the teammate who demands double teams. It flabbergasts me that this needs to be said.
Well it flabbergasts me that you are still whining like a baby. :'( GET OVER IT
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 27, 2007, 10:30:12 PM
Bri Monahan is on the WBNA draft board and is apparently receiving some interest...here is her profile...

http://www.wnba.com/draft2007/prospect_bri_monahan.html
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2007, 03:28:59 AM
They listed five D-III players, one of whom came completely out of left field. Don't know if that person knows somebody or what.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 28, 2007, 11:38:24 AM
Looks like SMU will be looking for a new basketball coach AGAIN as Shawn Stimmel has taken the Mt. Mercy gig.  Probably wanted to jump at the chance to be back in Cedar Rapids again.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on April 03, 2007, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2007, 03:28:59 AM
They listed five D-III players, one of whom came completely out of left field. Don't know if that person knows somebody or what.

Is this the "left field" player you are referring to? Call me crazy if you want, but the Sparks are intrigued.

http://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_story_091004536.html
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2007, 02:15:31 PM
Of course not. Try the Trinity (D.C.) player who wasn't even the best player in the worst conference in America. If you knew anything about D-III women's basketball outside your backyard you'd know how badly that stands out.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: she_scores51 on April 03, 2007, 03:52:22 PM
Willy,

You know my cousin, Joe Miller? You must've known eachother in high school at Mayo?? Small world...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on April 04, 2007, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2007, 02:15:31 PM
Of course not. Try the Trinity (D.C.) player who wasn't even the best player in the worst conference in America. If you knew anything about D-III women's basketball outside your backyard you'd know how badly that stands out.

To that comment I'll refer you to Kilted Rat's post yesterday on the football page. It deserves no other response.

she_scores - Yup, I played soccer with that cat growing up. Haven't seen him in a few years now though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on April 04, 2007, 05:37:07 PM
Gustie men's assistant Aaron Kahl moving back to the women's game...

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/articles/index.cfm?id=18999&section=Sports
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: sumander on April 12, 2007, 12:13:15 PM
Story in the Fargo Fool-em today says the following girls committed to Concordia yesterday:

The Concordia women's basketball team received commitments from Barnesville's Erica Nord, Indiana prep standout Berit Johnson, Webster (S.D.) High School's Larissa Hansmeier from Kerkhoven-Murdock-Sundberg (Minn.) High School, Rosemount (Minn.) High School's Maggie Bauernfeind, Armstrong High School's Kat Goetzinger and Deer Lodge (Mont.) High School's Katherine Brott.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: bbald eagle on April 18, 2007, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on April 03, 2007, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2007, 03:28:59 AM
They listed five D-III players, one of whom came completely out of left field. Don't know if that person knows somebody or what.

Is this the "left field" player you are referring to? Call me crazy if you want, but the Sparks are intrigued.

http://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_story_091004536.html

Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2007, 02:15:31 PM
Of course not. Try the Trinity (D.C.) player who wasn't even the best player in the worst conference in America. If you knew anything about D-III women's basketball outside your backyard you'd know how badly that stands out.

Mystical Dreams at Trinity
Apr 18, 2007 by Craig Stouffer, The Examiner

They came from all over the country, converging in Chantilly for a three-hour audition, all with hopes of snagging a prized roster spot at a WNBA training camp.

Many of the 45 or so players at the Washington Mystics' invitation-only tryout at Hoops Magic on Tuesday hailed from the biggest conferences and best teams in NCAA Division I women's college basketball, from North Carolina to Texas.

But there were also two from Trinity University, the tiny, 575-student Division III women's school in Northeast with one of the least recognized athletic programs in the Washington area.

Lauren Hall and Lauren McClain were the first two Tigers ever to be invited to such a tryout. ....

It's highly unlikely that Hall or McClain make the team ...

full article at:

http://www.examiner.com/a-680240~Mystical_dreams_at_Trinity.html
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2007, 01:21:07 PM
E-mail exchange between me and a coach in the area a few days ago:

Coach: Pat, Did you see this?
Me: No, but I saw she was on the WNBA draft watch list. Have you seen her play?
Coach: There is no way that she can be draftable!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on April 30, 2007, 03:00:27 PM
Former Cobber, former Piper Mandy Pearson has changed colors once again it seems. She's the new head coach at SMU in Winona, as of this morning.

I wonder what rules she might try to invoke down 'bout :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on May 02, 2007, 10:26:53 PM
If they'd let Mandy do a Pete Rose and be a player/coach I'd give the Cards a shot at winning the MIAC next year.  But, since they probably won't, I'm guessing it'll be a learning process for awhile but she should be fine in the long run.  Good job, Mandy!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on May 18, 2007, 03:15:34 PM
Keeping with the theme of announcing commitments for next year, here are some of the players coming to CSB according to a recent St. Cloud Times article:

Devin Bowlin- 5'4 point from Winona Cotter - Cotter's all time leader in assists and steals.  Averaged 10.4 points, 5.5 assists, 3.2 steals and 3.2 rebounds per game.  Finished career 16th on the all time list for assists in Minnesota.  All-State Softball player as well.

Danielle Frank - 6'4 post from Caledonia - played in the state tournament. Averaged 12 points and 9.5 rebounds and had 100 blocks on the year.

Amy Stifter - guard from Watertown Mayer, All State HM for class AA

Joelle Waytashek - guard from Centennial

Betsy Hutchinson - forward from Hutchinson

Laura Canton - guard from Pine Island - Averaged 14 ppg and 8 rpg.  Was All-State HM as a junior. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on May 25, 2007, 11:03:13 AM
Isn't Betsy Hutchinson from Detroit Lakes?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on May 25, 2007, 11:48:07 AM
Oh, my mistake.  Yes, Hutchinson is from Detroit Lakes...although I'm sure you can see how I messed that up. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on June 13, 2007, 07:39:49 PM
Anyone know anything about Hannah Messick from Chatfield.  She is a new recruit to the team that I follow (UWEC).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on June 14, 2007, 04:13:58 PM
I know that Chatfield is tiny... Sorry, no clue.  If a certain "renaissance man" were to read this, he would know, as he's from that area.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on June 15, 2007, 01:26:07 AM
I believe Messick is a 6-0/6-1 post who scored over 1,000 points in her career — though anyone that tall with a lick of talent should, given the competition level. She was also the KTTC (local TV station) Player of the Week at least one this past season. It's often hard to predict how posts will turn out at the D3 level...if they're talented, they usually get recruited by bigger schools.

Hard to say if any of that speculative blabber is useful, so I'll move on to something I know more about.

CSB got a good one in Bowlin, whose dad has created the dynasties that are Cotter basketball and softball. Devin and her tiny backup — who could break many of her records by the time she graduates — twice destroyed the Cannon Falls team that won state in 2006...but the Ramblers got knocked off at state a game before they would have played for a third time. The Bombers rarely got it over half court in the game I saw, much less got a good look at the basket.

That gushing aside, the real gem from that team is Jenny Gilbertson. She played Cory Montgomery to a stalemate as a sophomore...and Montgomery got minutes as a freshman on a Nebraska team who just missed out on the Dance last season. If Pearson keeps her in town, I'd send the NCAA snoopin in her direction with the expectation of finding a new cars, plural :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on July 13, 2007, 02:04:48 PM
Any comments on the St. Olaf coach resigning?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on August 12, 2007, 02:48:37 PM
EC - STO players are meeting with potential candidates this week in hopes of making the hire before classes start this fall. I've heard some options include the assistant coach(es?) from last year, but it was a nationwide search so better qualified candidates may be brought in.

I wonder if GAC's Aaron Kahl is kicking himself right now. That seems an ideal spot for him, rather than out in South Dakota.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on August 14, 2007, 10:58:03 AM
WW- Any word on who any of the candidates are?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on August 14, 2007, 11:38:13 AM
Other than being in one of the toughest NAIA conferences in the country, I think Dakota Wesleyan is a team that can compete at a national level faster than St. Olaf.  Word is that Olaf has never given great financial aid.  Not going to win consistently in the MIAC if you can't consistently get the best kids in.  At least at DWU he has some say in the money kids get with his scholarships.  Plus he can work with his kids year round.  Sounds like a much better deal.  Mandy at SMU might be the one kicking herself now for taking the SMU job.  It's going to be a long while before they win there.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on August 14, 2007, 12:47:16 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on August 14, 2007, 11:38:13 AM
  Mandy at SMU might be the one kicking herself now for taking the SMU job.  It's going to be a long while before they win there.

It might take a while but Mandy will be fine at SMU which I think is a better fit for her anyway as opposed to Olaf.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIACBaller on August 15, 2007, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on August 14, 2007, 11:38:13 AM
Mandy at SMU might be the one kicking herself now for taking the SMU job.  It's going to be a long while before they win there.

I heard she has a much improved coaching staff over last year, though. I think she'll do just fine.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on August 16, 2007, 10:48:44 AM
From what i have seen and heard Mandy has a good head on her shoulders and will be just fine at SMU. What a talented athlete she was and SMU is lucky to have hired such a great athlete with a great basketball mind.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on August 24, 2007, 01:44:05 PM
Dave Stromme the new head coach at Olaf.  Thinking he's above and beyond what Olaf could have expected for a head coach.  Apparently that beat out their strong will for a female head coach.  Can't say they could do any worse with this pick.  If Stromme can't win at Olaf, I think few ever will.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Phoenix on September 18, 2007, 11:07:08 PM
Hello everyone, I just joined, I have been a long time reader but never writer on the posting page. I was just curious on what everyone is thinking about the rankings of the teams in the MIAC. I know its early, but I was wondering what everyone thought and if there were any sleeper teams that might have a chance at the title.  
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on October 14, 2007, 12:33:23 PM
Practice starts tomorrow.  Now that there is a little more finalization on the rosters, what do we think about the teams in the league?  As I am no longer in MIAC country, again, I need the help of this page to keep me informed.  Any picks to start this year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on October 17, 2007, 11:01:12 PM
Sounds like Gustavus & St. Bens will have a solid club but we'll see.  I hear that Hamline has brought in a couple of big time players.  I see it going this way...
1. Gustavus
2. Saint Benedict
3. Concordia
4. Hamline
5. Bethel
6. Carleton
7. St. Thomas
8. Macalester
9. St. Catherine
10. Augsburg
11. St. Olaf
12. St. Mary's

Good Luck  :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on October 18, 2007, 11:10:23 PM
Even though I'm currently caught up in the sad state of affairs surrounding both my Rams and UCLA Bruins I have been able to do some thinking about the upcoming season so here's how I think it'll likely shake out:

1.  CSB
2.  Concordia
3.  GAC
4.  Carleton
5.  Bethel
6.  St. Kate's
7.  UST
8.  St. Olaf
9.  Macalester
10.  Augsburg
11.  Hamline
12.  SMU

If we lose to Cal this weekend at home in the Rose Bowl KD is GONE!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on October 19, 2007, 12:28:44 PM
Hows Macalster and St Thomas looking?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 01, 2007, 10:10:06 AM
I know scrimmages are starting up shortly or have started for many teams.  Who are people scrimmaging against and how are the looking? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on November 02, 2007, 10:46:20 AM
No love for the MIAC in the d3hoops top 25.  Only CSB getting votes and no one is even close to the top 25.  Two teams from Iowa make the rankings though.  Luther, who deserves all they get, and Simpson who is talented but more talented than every team in the MIAC?  Guess we'll see.  This conference has lost some luster the last few years among the nation and needs to start gaining it back.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on November 02, 2007, 03:04:18 PM
I would guess to say Simpson is more talented than MIAC teams.  They made it to the sweet sixteen last year.  They won the 4-team bracket that CSB was in!  I just looked up the scores and they blew Wheaton out the following night after Wheaton beat CSB. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 03, 2007, 02:38:42 PM
I did happen to catch most of the scrimmage between St. Kate's and Concordia (St. Paul) earlier this last week.  As you can imagine, the Kitties received a collective beatdown from their bigger D2 opponent.  Still, I think St. Kate's will be decent enough to get a MIAC playoff spot if everything works out for them.  They have an interesting mix of veterans and newcomers that is blending together nicely.  Erin Petrich and Sarah Schneider will be hard to replace, though.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 04, 2007, 02:28:24 PM
I don't see St. Kates being nearly as successful as they were last year.  Surprise teams will be Bethel & Hamline.  Saw both of them scrimmage and they looked good.  Bethel was very fluid & Hamline has a new post player from out of state that will be a force.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 04, 2007, 09:33:28 PM
Every year I hear about how Hamline has some player from out of nowhere and every year they stink.  I don't expect that to change.  Bethel is also a team that always should be better than they are, but they never are.  Expect both of those teams to underachieve like always. 

I caught the CSB scrimmage at St. Cloud State.  Actually, I should say it was an exhibition since they were able to officially keep score and play it like a real game.  St. Ben's was down early as they used a lot of rookies, but they made a run in the second half when both teams had their top players and ended up losing 67-61.  I was very impressed with two of the First-Year guards Amy Stifter and Joelle Waytashek.  They will see a lot of time off the bench for the Blazers.  I also thought Danielle Frank, the 6'4 FY post for CSB played well.  She came in and had 5 rebounds, 2 blocks and 5 points in 11 minutes.  St. Ben's will be very solid at all of the guard positions and I am more optimistic about the posts after what I saw yesterday. 

Prediction for top 6 in the MIAC
1. Blazers
2. Gusties
3. Knights
4. Cobbers
5. Tommies
6. Wildcats
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 04, 2007, 09:52:34 PM
I do see the Blazers doing well again this year but I don't believe any scrimmage as a good litmus test.  As far as Hamline stinking, I don't think that's quite the case but regardless MYK has done a good job to turn that program around.  Bethel does have a lot of talent but I agree, seem to underachieve.  I still think Bethel and Hamline will be surprises.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 05, 2007, 10:03:12 PM
Okay, "stink" was a bit harsh, but Hamline has never been better than .500 and they actually had enough talent to finish better than the 13-13 finish they had in MYK's second year as head coach.  Last year they tried to cheat their way to getting a 7th year of eligibility for a player who bounced around from one school to the next with only basketball on her mind so I relaly don't have much respect for MYK or the Hamline program.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 06, 2007, 04:21:24 PM
MYK has been at the helm for what 3 yrs or so?  Regardless, I don't believe hamline has had consecutive 500 or better seasons in what 50 years....MYK did it in 3....got to give her props.  As to this mysterious player you are speaking of.....I believe every single program in the MIAC does the transfer requests quite a bit....Don't be blind to the fact that the MIAC isn't all about academics...if you do -- don't be fooling yourself.  St. John's football athletes have well documented cases of "leadership scholorships" while St Thomas has "diversity scholorships" to curtail the current system which in my opinion is out of date and needs to be changed.  As to MYK, I think you may have an opinion on some people that you really don't know too much about.  I've never met her personally but I would reserve judgement until I do...perhaps  you should do the same.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2007, 10:05:18 AM
Quote from: scorekeeper on November 05, 2007, 10:03:12 PM
Last year they tried to cheat their way to getting a 7th year of eligibility for a player who bounced around from one school to the next with only basketball on her mind so I relaly don't have much respect for MYK or the Hamline program.

Scorekeeper: Heck of an allegation with no facts. Perhaps you should bring some facts to the table instead. Just a thought.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoop202 on November 08, 2007, 10:37:45 AM
Message to Scorekeeper
Why did you just remove your email from the info page on D3 hoops ? oops too late already saw it and that you are an Associate Director of Admissions. Perhaps you should be working instead of slandering other colleges and coaches?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2007, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: hoop202 on November 08, 2007, 10:37:45 AM
Message to Scorekeeper
Why did you just remove your email from the info page on D3 hoops ? oops too late already saw it and that you are an Associate Director of Admissions. Perhaps you should be working instead of slandering other colleges and coaches?

Nobody can remove their e-mail. If you don't see it it's because you aren't logged in.

Perhaps you should be working instead of pointing out things already in evidence.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 11, 2007, 03:36:59 PM
After watching a couple of scrimmages and viewing the rosters on the various sites I thought now might be a good time to revise my picks for the upcoming season....

The Title Contenders - CSB and GAC

While I have not yet seen CSB I was able to catch GAC's scrimmage this last Friday night and was very impressed with what I saw.  The Gusties have the potential to be even better than they were last year.

MIAC Playoff Locks - Concordia, Carleton, and Bethel

Also got to see Bethel's exhibition last night with SCSU and liked what I saw.  A little short on experience with no seniors on the team but they should be good enough to be in the mix.

Battling For The 6th Spot - St. Kate's, UST, St. Olaf, and Hamline

Somehow I think Kate's will get the last spot.  A lot of new faces at UST, Olaf, and Hamline and they have to show me something first.

Rounding It Out - Mac, Augsburg, and SMU


P.S.

Arizona St. - 24
UCLA - 20

KD, you're fired. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 12, 2007, 10:15:56 AM
Has SCSU played everyone in the MIAC now?  I know they played CSB, UST and Bethel.  Are they having a tough time finding competition in D II? 

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 12, 2007, 12:17:23 PM
p.s. The only people "hiding" their identity on these pages are the cowards who log on as "guest" like Hoop202. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 12, 2007, 03:58:54 PM
get over it bro...just talk basketball...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: monkey23 on November 13, 2007, 01:41:00 AM
MIAC looks to be as tough as usual.  Am picking GAC as #1- will be anxious to see how their point guard does this season with a year of experience under her belt.   Saw the pre-season rankings for the IIAC and WIAC- no big surprises there.   Will make for an exciting post-season in the midwest. 

On a side note, since I do look into the WIAC and IIAC boards quite a bit, I must say that the MIAC board is way more hostile then the others.  Attack the players, attack the coaches, attack attack.  I hope the kids don't read it.   Felt a bit bad for Hoop 202 who asked where this Scorekeeper character's email was, but then got utterly shot down. :-\   Sha bang.  No love for you (think Seinfeld).

Here's the most recent example I caught:  the "heckuva allegation with no facts" against a coach and player courtesy of Scorekeeper, who then proceded to attack another poster as a "coward."  Man!  Cool down!  We're talking road rage computer style!  I agree with yo jo- keep it to basketball. 

But now, I can't resist!!!!  Must....make....joke......must make.....joke.

Since Scorekeeper seems to be the crankiest in recent times, I have a great idea for an utterly entertaining experiment.  (Just out of curiosity, are you really an Associate Admissions person from a college? I'm sure you'll agree with me when I say that your perception is somewhat altered....conflict of interest anyone?  That would make for an interesting story).  Anyway, let's go with it.   I think we should add a posting site here on good ol D3 hoops about Division III Admissions people from each conference, so we can rag on them and call them names, and tell everyone what a horrible job they do, as well as the people who work for them.  I'm sure they have stats too, somehow.  We could even make trading cards.  It's their own fault for being an Admissions person- attacks come with the job.  And who cares if we've never actually spoken to them?!  Since when does that matter?!  Double check our facts- what for?!  Ethical business practice?  No thanks!  Gossip is the way to go.  And let's call them "cheats" and "cowards" with no basis, and come up with/use monikers like Terrible Tammy or something.....let's see....how about "Score....SNIPER."  Or maybe "El Scoro No Moro?"  I guess I'm not a creative writer, although I do think the last nickname has some merit!   But I suppose people aren't as interested in reading about Admissions people.  Who cares, right?    :'(

Seriously though, women's sports have come so far- it's a shame that it gets so low on boards like this.  Where's the comradery?   Why be so disrespectin'?  There's so much to be proud of.  But all there seems to be here is putting your own team on a pedestal, and blasting/criticizing the others to the point of "false accusations" even.    Smells like a lawsuit to me.  Or bullying.  8th commandment anyone?  What ever happend to "keep it clean?"  HMMM, what's this I seem to be standing on....it seems to be made of wood....oh sorry, it's my soapbox!  Ha ha- I'll get off now before I'm pelted with who knows what...probably just names like coward or something.  I'm sure I've overstayed my welcome and will now retreat back to what I'm actually supposed to be writing.  Oh well.  I'll come back soon for another update on the MIAC Days of Our Lives online edition........!!  Maybe we'll find out who shot J.R.?!!!  Oops, wrong soap.  But it will probably be Mr. Scorekeeper in the broom closet with the candlestick.... 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on November 13, 2007, 10:28:17 AM
Interesting - monkey goes on a rant about things not being civil and then proceeds to, as monkey says, "attack, attack, attack..."

Pot, meet kettle.  Kettle, meet pot.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 14, 2007, 11:15:27 AM
The Gustie women are previewed by the Mankato Free Press:

http://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_story_318005014.html?keyword=secondarystory

The story incorrectly calls Bri Radtke a senior...lucky for Gustie fans she is just a sophomore.

Any other previews out there?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 14, 2007, 01:23:26 PM
Good article.  Got to catch the scrimmage last night w/UW-River Falls that didn't go so well.  Hate to take too much from that but there's still some things that need to be worked on yet.  Hopefully it'll all get ironed out. 

BTW, congrats to the Little Lefty again for being on the D3 Hoops 2nd Team listing.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2007, 11:30:21 PM
McMurry plays the Tommies on Friday and St Olaf's on Saturday in Colorado.

We have a new head coach and must replace our All-American point guard, Symbri Tuttle, but have 10 players returning from last year's Pool C team.

Tarra Richardson is the All-American inside post.  Great player, 3.90 GPA Finance Major. :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on November 16, 2007, 11:26:35 AM
Can this board be anymore boring??? Granted Women's Basketball isn't nearly as exciting as a few years ago so maybe that plays a role.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 16, 2007, 07:07:36 PM
Looks like the Tommies and Oles both lost in colorado today. Some of the same old problems for the oles in Stromme's debut as they committed 29 turnovers. On the bright side it looks like Elyse Erickson is going to be a good player for them. Erickson is a junior from Orono whom the Gusties coveted pretty strongly. Erickson decided on Olaf and then decided not to play basketball her first two years. It looks like she led them in scoring today.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 17, 2007, 11:09:25 AM
Definitely a disappointing start for MIAC teams yesterday.  I can handle both UST and St. Olaf going down in flames in consecutive games on the same floor out at the Springs and SMU going down to UW-River Falls but CSB, getting hammered (and I mean HAMMERED) by Wartburg 69-52???!!  What the hell is THAT?  Granted, I know that Wartburg is one of the better teams in the IIAC BUT, you CANNOT be getting run out of the gym like that if you're CSB.  The Blazers, getting punked the way they did is a bad, bad sign for this team and perhaps the conference as well.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 17, 2007, 12:26:50 PM
I don't think the Blazers' loss is that big of deal. They only turned the ball over 17 times, they just had a bad shooting night which is going to happen early in the season. Wartburg's a decent team, I believe the Gusties have defeated them each of the last two years, but they were competitive games.

It looks like Tauer was in foul trouble as she played only 21 minutes and took only 4 shots. The Blazers have great depth at the guard position, but not so much in the front court this year. Of all the players they can't afford to lose to foul trouble or injury this year, it's Tauer in my opinion.

On another note, and this will sound like a re-run from the last 5 years, but if Bethel can play any sort of defense this year, they could be a sneaky team. Gabby Gustafson could be a pretty good player in this league, and the D1 transfer from Windom should really help them inside.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: phoenix on November 17, 2007, 03:16:44 PM
Just wondering if any one has seen Bethel or concordia play. Just wondering what they got for a team this year. I know bethel lost some seniors last year and I havn't been able to go out and see them scrimmage or play, I am just trying to get a feel for what they have for players now, along with concordia, they always seem like a surprise team, because they are far away and its hard to see them play early on in the season. They had a good team last year and I think they lost a couple key players, wondering what their team is like.
I feel that GAC will have a good team, they still have jesse and their points guards do have more experience under them to help out. If I remember correctly they do have a decent tall post player that was on their JV team  that should of gain experience and be ready to play now. Blazers come back with a strong guard front and some post play down low.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2007, 11:23:36 AM
St. Benedict got back on the winning track, blowing out Fontbonne, 90-52.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 18, 2007, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: monkey23 on November 13, 2007, 01:41:00 AM
MIAC looks to be as tough as usual.  Am picking GAC as #1- will be anxious to see how their point guard does this season with a year of experience under her belt.   Saw the pre-season rankings for the IIAC and WIAC- no big surprises there.   Will make for an exciting post-season in the midwest. 

On a side note, since I do look into the WIAC and IIAC boards quite a bit, I must say that the MIAC board is way more hostile then the others.  Attack the players, attack the coaches, attack attack.  I hope the kids don't read it.   Felt a bit bad for Hoop 202 who asked where this Scorekeeper character's email was, but then got utterly shot down. :-\   Sha bang.  No love for you (think Seinfeld).

Here's the most recent example I caught:  the "heckuva allegation with no facts" against a coach and player courtesy of Scorekeeper, who then proceded to attack another poster as a "coward."  Man!  Cool down!  We're talking road rage computer style!  I agree with yo jo- keep it to basketball. 

But now, I can't resist!!!!  Must....make....joke......must make.....joke.

Since Scorekeeper seems to be the crankiest in recent times, I have a great idea for an utterly entertaining experiment.  (Just out of curiosity, are you really an Associate Admissions person from a college? I'm sure you'll agree with me when I say that your perception is somewhat altered....conflict of interest anyone?  That would make for an interesting story).  Anyway, let's go with it.   I think we should add a posting site here on good ol D3 hoops about Division III Admissions people from each conference, so we can rag on them and call them names, and tell everyone what a horrible job they do, as well as the people who work for them.  I'm sure they have stats too, somehow.  We could even make trading cards.  It's their own fault for being an Admissions person- attacks come with the job.  And who cares if we've never actually spoken to them?!  Since when does that matter?!  Double check our facts- what for?!  Ethical business practice?  No thanks!  Gossip is the way to go.  And let's call them "cheats" and "cowards" with no basis, and come up with/use monikers like Terrible Tammy or something.....let's see....how about "Score....SNIPER."  Or maybe "El Scoro No Moro?"  I guess I'm not a creative writer, although I do think the last nickname has some merit!   But I suppose people aren't as interested in reading about Admissions people.  Who cares, right?    :'(

Seriously though, women's sports have come so far- it's a shame that it gets so low on boards like this.  Where's the comradery?   Why be so disrespectin'?  There's so much to be proud of.  But all there seems to be here is putting your own team on a pedestal, and blasting/criticizing the others to the point of "false accusations" even.    Smells like a lawsuit to me.  Or bullying.  8th commandment anyone?  What ever happend to "keep it clean?"  HMMM, what's this I seem to be standing on....it seems to be made of wood....oh sorry, it's my soapbox!  Ha ha- I'll get off now before I'm pelted with who knows what...probably just names like coward or something.  I'm sure I've overstayed my welcome and will now retreat back to what I'm actually supposed to be writing.  Oh well.  I'll come back soon for another update on the MIAC Days of Our Lives online edition........!!  Maybe we'll find out who shot J.R.?!!!  Oops, wrong soap.  But it will probably be Mr. Scorekeeper in the broom closet with the candlestick.... 
I find it quite hilarious when a first time poster feels qualified to critique not only the board but the posters within the board. This board is normally quite civil and its actually fun when it goes over the edge ocassionally.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 18, 2007, 11:06:24 PM
I find it quite hilarious that rather than responding to the orginal reason for the posting......gossip and mudslinging...you feel compelled to attack the first time poster....Plain and simple scorekeeper aka St Ben admission guy gets caught.. :o..MOVE ON...talk basketball   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on November 20, 2007, 04:19:48 PM
Whos the best team in the miac after opening weekend?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on November 20, 2007, 11:40:45 PM
yojo - the funny thing about the first-timer post was the sweeping condemnation of mudslinging and attacking and then that person goes on the attack themselves...it screams of hypocrisy.  As for the accusation of mudslinging...I do not know the details and would be willing to bet most of us don't but maybe, just maybe, someone does know something and refrained from using names...but on to talking hoops...

gotta - I have not seen any other MIAC teams but the Blazers looked a little lost in the Wartburg game...first game for many players...Schmidt was tough with 18 points but there were many uncharacteristic mistakes by the team - especially on defense.  Then again, five or six first-year players saw their first collegiate action in that game.  The next day, it was a completely different team, many of the first-year players who looked lost the night before seemed more comfortable...they played great defense and the offense clicked...the first-year that really jumped out was Laura Canton...17 points off the bench.  I also think the Blazers will get very nice minutes from Waytashek, Bowlin, Stifter, Frank, Gillund, and Hutchinson...all very nice first-years...it looks like there will be at least seven first-year players for CSB that will be four year contributors. 

While I cannot make any predictions about the conference schedule or the upcoming early games with Concordia, GAC, and Carleton I can guarantee you that the Blazers will be a very dangerous team in the 2nd half of the season and playoffs...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 21, 2007, 12:16:38 PM
Quote from: gottaluvhoops on November 20, 2007, 04:19:48 PM
Whos the best team in the miac after opening weekend?

It should be a competitive year.  The Bennies will be there at the end as they always have a stable of talented players.  Concordia stumbled out of the box, but I look for them to rebound because of Hageman.  St. Catherines and St. Thomas should be tough as well.  However, I think that all of those teams are going to end up chasing Carleton.  The Knights haven't played yet so we don't have an early read on them; however, they have their entire roster back from last year when they went 19-8, and they have an outstanding coach.  I suspect that the Knights will be disappointed if they do not move back into the national rankings this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 21, 2007, 01:07:22 PM
I see Carleton doing good things....not sure about st kates though...losing the pg is always tough--can't really making a prediction with coe and mlc.....Coe is a strong team, MLC is not too good.  Things will shape up when there is some conference action.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 21, 2007, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: yojo on November 21, 2007, 01:07:22 PM
Things will shape up when there is some conference action.

I agree, although it would be nice to see an MIAC men's or woman's team do well nationally.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 22, 2007, 01:16:57 AM
I expect GAC to struggle more than most on here do. Replacing two starting posts and losing its top backup, who didn't come back out, will be tough. Layman was very good in stretches as a frosh, but prone to tiring and foul trouble. I've heard rumors of a solid freshman post who may be capable of filling in and Peterson will likely be moved back down low as an undersized post...but I could see plenty of 4-guard action with Nelson in the lineup and 5-10 Schultz guarding a "big."

Post issues would seem prime concerns for CSB and GAC heading into the year and could make the MIAC race much more wide open than in the past. It would also play to Concordia's strength, with Hageman returning.

Also, I'm curious to see how Vadnais handles being the clear-cut top option. While I'm fairly certain she's the most talented player in the league, it wouldn't surprise me to see her miss out on the league MVP. She deferred to Monahan some last year, but still threw up plenty of questionable shots. The big question now becomes whether she can play with the others this year or if her quotient of bad shots skyrockets to the detriment of the team...

FYI: Wartburg beat St. Mary's by 4 in a preseason scrimmage. SMU is 0-2 with a pair of, um, not close games.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 24, 2007, 05:08:00 PM
Knights are impressive in their opener as they beat 9th ranked Luther 66-56 with Oken-Berg only playing 14 minutes.  Isler leads the way with 13 and Biewen, Conner and Lincoln all have 12.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 25, 2007, 05:53:01 PM
Carleton loses in tournament final to No. 6 Washington U, 58-51.  Tough opening games, No. 6 and No. 9 ranked teams.  The competition should help them get ready for the conference schedule.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 26, 2007, 01:12:38 AM
That's certainly going out and making good use of a limited non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 26, 2007, 07:19:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 26, 2007, 01:12:38 AM
That's certainly going out and making good use of a limited non-conference schedule.

Agreed.  Apparently, the Washington U tournament is a first-class affair and undoubtedly a great experience for the Carleton women.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 26, 2007, 01:02:34 PM
Carleton & Bethel will be at the top of the division.  St. Bens, Gustavus, Hamline, & Concordia coming up the rear.  Watch and see.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 28, 2007, 07:55:10 AM
Conference play kicked off last night with Hamline thumping St. Olaf 70-54 in Northfield.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 28, 2007, 05:43:20 PM
Ok, with the season starting in earnest tonight, I thought I'd make a few predictions. I think Carleton is in the driver's seat to win the conference this year for a variety of reasons. They have a roster with 8 experienced players who can all step up on a given night. You can't shut down one or two players and figure youre going to win the ball game. Their coaching is outstanding and I think Ben's, GAC, and Concordia all suffered significant losses from graduation.

With that being said I think Ben's and GAC will be in the running for the title but will likely find themselves battling for second place.

I think Concordia and Bethel will be comfortable playoff teams, with the sixth spot up for grabs between teams like St. Thomas, Hamline, Olaf, and St. Kate's.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 28, 2007, 09:08:07 PM
Carleton over Augsburg in a struggle, 74-63
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 28, 2007, 09:28:53 PM
GAC over MAC 54-51.  Vadnais with 24 (only Gustie in double figures)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 28, 2007, 10:34:42 PM
St. Ben's 79 Concordia 71

Nice win for the Blazers as they get almost all their scoring from their guards. 16 for Schmidt and 16 off the bench for Waytashek.

The Gustie win was brutal. 48 combined turnovers. Hopefully the rust will be gone by Saturday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 28, 2007, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 28, 2007, 10:34:42 PM
St. Ben's 79 Concordia 71

Nice win for the Blazers as they get almost all their scoring from their guards. 16 for Schmidt and 16 off the bench for Waytashek.

The Gustie win was brutal. 48 combined turnovers. Hopefully the rust will be gone by Saturday.

Sounds like a good game.  Look for Schmidt to have a great year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on November 29, 2007, 12:12:59 AM
Ah, hoops time again.  Of course, posting from the west coast isn't quite the same as posting fresh info after an evening in a MIAC gym like most of the rest of you, but here's hoping that the SIDs all update their stats and pages quickly. 

It's nice to see instant contributions from the new First-year class at CSB, Durbin certainly finds some great young women every year!  I'm happy to see how my Blazers have adjusted after graduating 5 players last spring, although I worry about the lack of post depth.

Any insight as to why the Carleton and GAC games were so close?  Is Carleton that tired after the opening tourney?  Is GAC really going to only be a one-woman show this year -- 48 COMBINED TURNOVERS?!?!?!?!?!

My totally uninformed projection:
1 - Carleton
2 - St. Ben's
3 - Concordia
4 - UST
5 - GAC
6 - Bethel
7 - Hamline
8 - St. Kate's
9 - St. Olaf
10 - Augsburg
11 - MAC
12 - St. Mary's

Bonus prediction - two head coaches of schools in the southern half of the state (and yes, Mpls/StP is in the southern half) will be widely accused of recruiting violations, but nobody will be able to prove anything.  (but yojo will still know all and put us in our rightful places)

I'm cheering for an injury-free season of fairly contested and horribly officiated games, and hoping like heck that the young CSB team can pull off some surprises.


Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 29, 2007, 01:22:59 AM
Got to watch both the Carleton - Augsburg and SMU - UST games tonight.  Augsburg had a 37-27 lead at the half and led for a good chunk of the 2nd half before the Knights took things over.  The Tommies were up on SMU by 32 in the second half before the Cards made a nice little comeback to slice that deficit to 12 points but by then it was too late. 

Meanwhile, GAC by ONLY a 54-51 margin over Mac?  48 combined turnovers???  How Dorrellian.  Sounds as ugly as my Bruins 16-0 win over Oregon was this last Saturday.  Pains me to think that KD's version of ugly football has now infected MIAC womens hoops.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on November 29, 2007, 09:52:53 AM
For all of you Blazer faithful at CSB last night, what are your impressions of this year's Cobber squad???

Just by reading previews and looling at rosters, my take is that this is a very young team who will probably grow and mature throughout the year, hopefully to be playing their best ball come playoff time.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 29, 2007, 10:07:52 AM
I think the Cobbers slow start has to be a little disappointing. While they did lose Keeley, Hageman has to be considered one of the top three players in the conference. Sorbo showed signs last year that she could be a stud, Matetich is certainly serviceable, and they have a couple other players with some experience back.

Back to the Gustie win over MAC, I'm not putting a lot of stock into this final score for a couple of reasons. MAC had already played two games and this was the Gusties first game of the season. Also the Gusties have a history of struggling against MAC due to their style of play. I believe it was just last year at Gus Young Court that the two teams went into halftime with a score of 12-11. I believe there were 25 turnovers and 23 points scored at halftime in that game. With that said, it sounds like Britz has the Auggies playing pretty well right now, so the Gusties are going to have to play a little better on Saturday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 29, 2007, 01:11:47 PM


Bonus prediction - two head coaches of schools in the southern half of the state (and yes, Mpls/StP is in the southern half) will be widely accused of recruiting violations, but nobody will be able to prove anything.  (but yojo will still know all and put us in our rightful places)

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Uh oh, more baseless accusations with a schnazzy personal attack...not sure if I'll be able to sleep tonight :) Nice that you have all that inside information...."With well doing you may put to silence foolish men."
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 29, 2007, 01:21:58 PM
With all these conference games it just shows how competitive the conference is now.  I think the days of dominance by four teams is over.  Nice to see some equalized talent on all these teams....
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on November 30, 2007, 05:17:10 PM
Quote from: yojo on November 29, 2007, 01:21:58 PM
With all these conference games it just shows how competitive the conference is now.  I think the days of dominance by four teams is over.  Nice to see some equalized talent on all these teams....

Based on what? Four of the top six from a year ago won their opener, with one (CSB) beating another (CC). That's a pretty bold statement exactly one game into the conference schedule...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on November 30, 2007, 08:08:36 PM
well.....Gustavus barely beats Macalester by THREE, Carleton over Augsberg by NINE, St. Kates gets smoked by a Coe team that is last in their division, & Bethel, Carleton, & Hamline have a lot of talent on the roster.....
Are you telling me that these games would have been close four years ago????
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on December 01, 2007, 09:39:18 AM
Hageman is clearly the best player on the squad.  However, she won't be able to carry this team.  The young tall posts from St. Bens held her in check the first half of that game.  If some of the cobber guards can develop some outside threat Hageman will put up even better numbers.

Quote from: Maroon&Gold on November 29, 2007, 09:52:53 AM
For all of you Blazer faithful at CSB last night, what are your impressions of this year's Cobber squad???

Just by reading previews and looling at rosters, my take is that this is a very young team who will probably grow and mature throughout the year, hopefully to be playing their best ball come playoff time.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 01, 2007, 03:51:34 PM
Carleton over Concordia 84-75 in Moorhead.  Career highs for Annie Isler (20) and FY Ally Weaver (17).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 01, 2007, 03:55:12 PM
Correction - Game was in Northfield.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 01, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
Gusties fall to Augsburg 57-54 in what was a disastrous second half for the Gusties. Too many things went wrong to even begin to list them at this time. Gustavus led 44-30 with 15 minutes to go in the game and was outscored 27-10 the rest of the way.

Looks like Bethel slipped past Hamline 84-81.

And St. Ben's wins but no Ariel Tauer in the line-up. Illness or injury Blazer fans?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 03, 2007, 11:57:11 AM
Awfully quiet in here....Not even a post from L.A. Rams after the Gustie debacle on Saturday?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 03, 2007, 02:34:14 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 03, 2007, 11:57:11 AM
Awfully quiet in here....Not even a post from L.A. Rams after the Gustie debacle on Saturday?

Bennies take on Carleton tonight in Northfield.  The winner will gain a leg up on the conference title race as these teams are likely the two favorites right now.

What's up with Tauer?  Is she sick or injured? 

On Saturday, the Knights were without one starter (Biewen) and one backup (Eckhoff).  In addition, Oken-Berg was suffering from the flu and her minutes were limited.  I don't know if the team will be back at full strength tonight. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 03, 2007, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 03, 2007, 11:57:11 AM
Awfully quiet in here....Not even a post from L.A. Rams after the Gustie debacle on Saturday?

Actually, had to leave the game at about the 5:00 minute mark or so to get home to catch the UCLA - USC game.  Bad enough we had to give that game to those clowns from South Central but seeing how the Gusties came out after I left was even more depressing.  I expect tonight's game at Bethel will be another tough test.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 03, 2007, 09:07:53 PM
At the half, Bennies 28, Knights 26.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 03, 2007, 10:01:23 PM
Quote from: Nites on December 03, 2007, 09:07:53 PM
At the half, Bennies 28, Knights 26.

Is there a way they can both lose?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 03, 2007, 10:02:15 PM
Knights win 64-61.  Blocked a potential game tying 3.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 03, 2007, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on December 03, 2007, 10:01:23 PM
Quote from: Nites on December 03, 2007, 09:07:53 PM
At the half, Bennies 28, Knights 26.

Is there a way they can both lose?

Sorry, afraid not. :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 03, 2007, 10:23:08 PM
Final:  GAC 83, BET 77
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 04, 2007, 12:32:51 AM
Gusties pick up their 14th straight win over Bethel as they build a 22-point lead and then hang on for the win. Vadnais goes off for 29 and Molly Mathiowitz comes off the bench for 16 points and 8 boards - great performance by the freshman.

This sets up a match-up in St. Peter on Wednesday between two 2-1 teams with the Blazers coming to town.

The Blazer posters continue to be suspiciously absent - as is Ariel Tauer from Durbin's line-up for the second straight game. C'mon Blazerball, Collegeville Magic, spill it already.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 04, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 04, 2007, 12:32:51 AM
The Blazer posters continue to be suspiciously absent - as is Ariel Tauer from Durbin's line-up for the second straight game. C'mon Blazerball, Collegeville Magic, spill it already.

Love it! When is CM gonna come out of the woodworks to call for Durbin's head like he does to Jimmy Gags after every SJU football loss? ::)

gacbacker - What's up with the funky lineup last game? Mickey trying some new things or were people sick/injured? And why do we always suck in the second half?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 04, 2007, 03:51:13 PM
Willy - No injuries or illnesses, I think the move to put Nelson in the starting line-up had to do with her ability to guard the opposing team's point guard and therefore keeping Radtke out of early foul trouble. The move really didn't change much as Nelson logged 19 minutes and Schultz came off the bench for 28 or something like that.

As for the second half peformance, specifically defensively, the assistant coach is toying with a zone defense, that to my ametuer eyes looks god awful. Bethel got a wide open, and when I say wide open think Pacific Ocean wide open, three pointer every single possession against the zone. And for some reason instead of mixing the zone in for a possession or two like most teams do these days just to give a different look, the Gusties decided to stick with it for 4-5 minute chunks at a time. It may pay some dividends if they can play it a little better, but right now it makes me cringe. It worked against Macalester, but just because something works against Macalester doesn't mean it's going to work against the rest of the league.

The thing that made no sense last night was that the Gusties played strictly man to man in the first half and by doing so held Bethel to 24 points and forced 17 turnovers. They play a lot of zone in the second half and give up 53 points and force only 9 turnovers. Not to mention the fact that the Gusties' rebounding issues are magnified when they play the zone. It just makes no sense to me to play the zone for extended minutes. I sure hope they bag it for at least one game, because if there is any team in the conference that can burn a zone defense it's St. Ben's with their ability to move the ball and find open shooters like Schmidt, O'Neil, Falvey, etc.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 05, 2007, 04:27:15 PM
Are you trying to tell me the Bennies won't miss Pat's All-American guard if we go zone tonight? I don't think I can believe that...

CC to GB - Any bets on how quickly the CSB posters come out of hiding if they win tonight?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 05, 2007, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on December 05, 2007, 04:27:15 PM
Are you trying to tell me the Bennies won't miss Pat's All-American guard if we go zone tonight? I don't think I can believe that...

CC to GB - Any bets on how quickly the CSB posters come out of hiding if they win tonight?

Carlton had some success playing a tight man to man.  Players were moving their feet well to cut off the drives of Schmidt (she's impressive) and Falvey. They also did a great job of closing out on the three point shooters.   Surprisingly, the Bennies found some success pounding the ball into Frank, their FY post who I think goes about 6"4".  She wasn't shy about putting it up, although she forced a couple of shots.  She'll be a good player in this league.

GAC had such great pressure D last year.  That's what they need to play against the Bennies.  If they go with a zone, I think they'll get scorched.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 05, 2007, 07:44:14 PM
WW- I'm guessing the Blazer posters will be on here no later than 10 a.m. tomorrow morning if the Blazers come out on top tonight in St. Peter.

My guess is what ever team's guards outscore the other team's guards will win. This game will be won from the perimeter, not in the paint.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 05, 2007, 09:13:53 PM
Blazers by 1 at halftime after the Gusties led most of the way.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 05, 2007, 10:12:23 PM
Gustavus 70 St. Ben's 62 - Final

The Gusties get their most balanced scoring effort in about the last 5 years. Emily Nelson with 13, Katie Layman with 12, Jess Vadnais with 11, Molly Mathiowetz with 8 and Julia Schultz with 8.  Holm, Biewen and Radtke also have nice games.

Nice for the Gusties to get a big win without Vadnais having to do everything. That will be the deciding factor of whether the Gusties will be a good team or a great team this year.

In other action...Macalester beats St. Thomas in what has to be a real good feeling for Scots coach Ellen Thompson who was passed over by her alma mater for the Tommies head coaching position in favor of Ruth Sinn.

Carleton holds off Bethel 79-77 to gain sole possession of first place as the only undefeated team in conference play.

And in tonight's stinker, St. Olaf gets their first win under Stromme with an inspired 45-37 victory over Augsburg.


Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 06, 2007, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 05, 2007, 10:12:23 PM
Gustavus 70 St. Ben's 62 - Final

The Gusties get their most balanced scoring effort in about the last 5 years. Emily Nelson with 13, Katie Layman with 12, Jess Vadnais with 11, Molly Mathiowetz with 8 and Julia Schultz with 8.  Holm, Biewen and Radtke also have nice games.

Nice for the Gusties to get a big win without Vadnais having to do everything. That will be the deciding factor of whether the Gusties will be a good team or a great team this year.

In other action...Macalester beats St. Thomas in what has to be a real good feeling for Scots coach Ellen Thompson who was passed over by her alma mater for the Tommies head coaching position in favor of Ruth Sinn.

Carleton holds off Bethel 79-77 to gain sole possession of first place as the only undefeated team in conference play.

And in tonight's stinker, St. Olaf gets their first win under Stromme with an inspired 45-37 victory over Augsburg.


Very nice win for a young Gustie team, particularly impressive given the fact that Vadnais had an off night.  I'm sure the Bennies had something to do with Vadnais' struggles, but the Gusties sure made them pay with some of the youngsters really stepping up.

That was a nice win for the Scots last night.

From a talent and experience perspective, I think Carleton is at the head of the pack this year.  Of course, that's not to say that they can't/won't be beaten.  They're very deep with quality players, and the one thing I've noticed about this year's team over past teams is that they've appeared to have upgraded their shooting capabilities.  They have some very good shooters that will hurt you if left alone and they have several excellent free throw shooters.  FY Ally Weaver is one example.  She led Iowa high schools in free throw shooting last year and she can knock down the three.  She's usually in the game at crunch time.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 06, 2007, 03:08:03 PM
gacbacker - I don't know about you, but the silence today has been especially refreshing to me :)

Did you get any info on Tauer's prolonged absence from the CSB lineup? I've heard it's due to a bad ankle sprain...can you confirm or deny this?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 07, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Willy - I just enjoy sitting back and letting you make stuff up.  It's quite true that there's no love lost between me and Jimmy Gagliardi's football coaching abilities, but at least get your accusations right.  I call for his head even after victories.

Durbin will always have my support (not that it means much), since I trust his character judgement, his coaching ability, and his motivation.

I haven't seen a single MIAC basketball game this winter due to my grad school schedule and severe geographic limitations, so I'm now just as out of the daily loop as the typical UST fan.  From the sounds of things (MAC upsetting UST and GAC, Ugsberg randomly winning and losing games) this is going to be a pretty crazy season.

Given CSB's youth after graduating 5 seniors last spring, I expected a bumpy road this winter.  My "homer" streak led to my prediction of CSB near the top of the standings, but injuries or potentially inconsistent rookies could change a lot of close outcomes across the conference.

Here's hoping everybody stays healthy and that we have a fun season of competitive basketball followed by at least one MIAC team winning a few NCAA games to get that ship back on course.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: phoenix on December 08, 2007, 05:58:44 PM
So the MIAC is under way and there is some exciting basketball that is being played. It looks like MAC is getting better and better with each year, having a coach that really understands the game and is working the girls hard is helping that program move forward. It also looks like bethel might have a team that will compete to be in one of the top spots in the standings. Only if they can finish games and play tough defense through the whole year. I know they are a young team, if they can stay healthy and not get worn down throught the long season they should be pretty good. Carlton is looking good also, it helps that they bring back almost everyone from last year, they all know how each others play and bring in new talents also helps.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 11, 2007, 04:15:43 PM
Carleton takes on No. 23 University of Wisconsin Eau-Claire in a big non-conference game.  A win might just push the Knights into the national rankings, or at least garner them some votes. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 11, 2007, 09:52:59 PM
Carleton gets thumped by the Blugolds.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 12, 2007, 08:50:31 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 11, 2007, 09:52:59 PM
Carleton gets thumped by the Blugolds.

That's putting it mildly.    :P  I Guess we got a good idea of how the MIAC competes (or doesn't) on a national level.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 13, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on December 07, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Willy - I just enjoy sitting back and letting you make stuff up.  It's quite true that there's no love lost between me and Jimmy Gagliardi's football coaching abilities, but at least get your accusations right.  I call for his head even after victories.

Two of your three posts on the football board this fall ripped little Gags. Not surprisingly, they popped up right after a close lost that left you with the disgustingly horrible record of 9-1 and an embarrassing Top 10 ranking. I believe the ratio was similar last year after another debacle of a one-loss regular season. Each time you popped your head in, you got SLAMMED by all the SJU posters. I'd hate to hear your sour grapes were you a <insert any other MIAC school> fan.

FYI: The handy tool on this site that lets you track individual poster's history shows that you, CM, have ZERO track record for calling for little Gags' head after victories. If documented facts equate to "make stuff up," then consider Wonka guilty as charged.

Weird how quiet this board becomes when the Bennies are struggling, by their standards...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 14, 2007, 03:56:46 PM
WW- I don't find it necessary to have all my discussions about sports on web sites.  My apologies for having a life outside my keyboard and not posting every comment that's crossed my mind about my favorite sports teams.  I think you'll find Redtooth as the main "all" of the SJU posters who so violently slam me, and I honestly hope you don't spend too much time researching past posts.  What fun is bs-ing if people get anal about it?

There are plenty of us CSB fans cheering for our team, we're just apparently "guilty" of neglecting the all-important task of D3 message boards.  Sorry we've let the almighty Wonka down.  ::)

Happy Holidays to all!  Go Blazers!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 17, 2007, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on December 13, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on December 07, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Willy - I just enjoy sitting back and letting you make stuff up.  It's quite true that there's no love lost between me and Jimmy Gagliardi's football coaching abilities, but at least get your accusations right.  I call for his head even after victories.

Two of your three posts on the football board this fall ripped little Gags. Not surprisingly, they popped up right after a close lost that left you with the disgustingly horrible record of 9-1 and an embarrassing Top 10 ranking. I believe the ratio was similar last year after another debacle of a one-loss regular season. Each time you popped your head in, you got SLAMMED by all the SJU posters. I'd hate to hear your sour grapes were you a <insert any other MIAC school> fan.

FYI: The handy tool on this site that lets you track individual poster's history shows that you, CM, have ZERO track record for calling for little Gags' head after victories. If documented facts equate to "make stuff up," then consider Wonka guilty as charged.

Weird how quiet this board becomes when the Bennies are struggling, by their standards...
Sorry to have been quiet, so early in the season not much has been controversial or too surprising. Da Blazers have started about how I expected although two loses are alot to swallow this early. We are very young, especially underneath. Couple that with a cold night of shooting in Carlton and a miserable night of free throw shooting in GAC and thats the result. Now the good news. Two 1st year posts, Frank at 6'4" and Gillund at 6'2" are starting to really show why they were recruited by the Master Durbin. Their potential looks unlimited and they both actually play bigger than their height. Put a year of experience and practice on them and we may have one of the best one two combo's ever at St. Ben's. First yr. player Hutchinson at the 4 spot is getting more and more minutes along with 1st yr. player Canton. The 2 and 3 spots look to be well taken care of with 1st yr. players Stifter and and Waytashek already playing like vertrans. The point future looks like highly recruited Devin Bowlin as soon as she completely overcomes the affects of a sprained knee this summer. Add young soph. Mindy Schmitt and Jr. Tauer, Carter and the future looks bright. We may have to suffer a few more games this year but by the end of this year I expect coach Durbin to again win either the league or the playoffs!! Take that Willy!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 19, 2007, 12:46:58 PM
Nice article in today's "Star Tribune" about the Macalester women; even if it was written by that idiot Jim Souhan.  Worth the read and the look, though.

Happy holidays to everyone here on the board. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 20, 2007, 07:18:52 PM
Thanks, BG. Even Bennie talk is better than nothing.

LA - Souhan is easily the best thing going at the Strib.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 24, 2007, 06:30:15 PM
I have proof from Saturday night that the MIAC isn't the only conference with officiating problems.  Watching the Stanford-Tennessee OT classic from a few rows back, it's clear that the PAC-10 has their share of amazingly inconsistent stripes.

Happy Holidays to all, and travel safely!

Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 25, 2007, 09:52:25 PM
I enjoyed Souhan the beat reporter. Souhan the columnist leaves a little bit to be desired -- a little too glib, tries to hard to be cute rather than telling the story a little more straight.

That having been said, I read this the other day and I thought it was a great piece.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on December 27, 2007, 02:34:55 PM
GAC defeats UW Eau Claire (Top Seed) in Surf and Slam Tournament Game 1. Final Score GAC 65 UWEC 60
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 27, 2007, 03:07:48 PM
Quote from: gacunk on December 27, 2007, 02:34:55 PM
GAC defeats UW Eau Claire (Top Seed) in Surf and Slam Tournament Game 1. Final Score GAC 65 UWEC 60

That was a good win for GAC.  After UWEC won handily at Carleton its last game, I thought EC would win this game by 15 or so.  The Husdon, WI connection really played well for GAC today.

Where did you see the seeds for the tournament?  I would be a bit surprised that EC would be the top seed.  UWSP is also in the tournament and is ranked higher than EC.  The host school is also good.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 27, 2007, 03:15:49 PM
I don't think the tournament is seeded, but regardless, the win for the Gusties all the sudden makes them look like the team to beat in the conference. With wins over Bethel, St. Ben's and now No. 23 Eau Claire...they're starting to put together a nice resume. Two more wins in this tournament might be too much to ask for but it would sure be nice.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 27, 2007, 03:19:52 PM
Especially if they were to come against Carroll and UWSP.  That would be two more good regional wins.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on December 27, 2007, 03:50:29 PM
OOPS - You guys are right. The National Rankings have UW Stevens Point (12), Carroll (23) Eau Claire (24). In their preview, Point Loma actually had Stevens point on top, with Eau Claire listed second and Carroll 3rd. You are right, it was not actually seeding.

Vadnais again had an opportunity due to good efforts by the rest of the team to do what she does well. She was 5 of 10 with three of them from behind the arc for a total of 20 (with free throws). Taking some pressure off her was Katie Layman with 11, Emily Nelson with 9, Julia Schultz with 8, Radke with 6 and Peterson with 4.

Go Gusties!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on December 28, 2007, 05:46:42 PM
GAC up 37 - 30 over Carroll at half

Go Gusties
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2007, 06:40:48 PM
Gusties fell behind by 5 in the 2nd half, but have rallied late in the game to take a 1 point lead with under a minute left.  Vadnais got fouled on a 3.  She made all FTs to give GAC the lead
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2007, 06:43:45 PM
After the FTs, GAC stole the ball but missed a shot with 10sec left.  Now 6sec left, Carroll ball down by 1.  Probably going to Hoewich
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2007, 06:44:57 PM
CC with a layup at the buzzer

Final
CC 65
GAC 64
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 29, 2007, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on December 20, 2007, 07:18:52 PM
Thanks, BG. Even Bennie talk is better than nothing.

LA - Souhan is easily the best thing going at the Strib.

Willy, with guys like Souhan, Ruesse, and that old bag of north wind, Sid Hartman, is it any wonder I kept my subscription to the "Cedar Rapids Gazette"?

Tough loss for the Gusties against Carroll yesterday.  Still, though, I'm ecstatic that they knocked off UW-EC the other day.  Considering how Carleton got thumped at home by EC I was afraid the Gusties would get hammered for sure.  Who does GAC play today?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on December 29, 2007, 01:19:24 PM
Gusties play the Maryville Saints out of St Louis, MO at 2 PM (4 PM Minnesota Central time). Maryville defeated Rivier College (NH) in their first game and lost to UW-Stevens Point in their second game. This game will determine whether Gusties finish 3rd or 5th in the tournament.

Needless to say, the Gusties have made a good showing so far in this tournament beating the 24th ranked team (UW-Eau Claire) and losing by 1 point in a nail biter to the 23rd ranked team (Carroll).

Live Stats are available to follow the game. Go to the Gusties web site, Womens Basketball. At the end of the paragraph under News click on the link.

Go Gusties !!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on December 29, 2007, 01:32:29 PM
LaRams: I just checked the link mentioned above and for some reason it is not working. The direct link to "live stata" at Point Loma is: www.pointloma.edu/Athletics/Livestats.htm.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: gacunk on December 29, 2007, 01:32:29 PM
LaRams: I just checked the link mentioned above and for some reason it is not working. The direct link to "live stata" at Point Loma is: www.pointloma.edu/Athletics/Livestats.htm.

The stats worked the first day but yesterday they didn't (through the GAC link).  I just went directly to the Point Loma website yesterday.

GAC will finish either 3rd or 4th, depending on the outcome.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on December 29, 2007, 04:54:19 PM
Buf: The tournament bracket shows the winner of the losers bracket gets #4, which has just turned out to be Point Lomas. If Gusties win they get 3rd and if they lose they get 5th.
Go Gusties!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 06:43:55 PM
Quote from: gacunk on December 29, 2007, 04:54:19 PM
Buf: The tournament bracket shows the winner of the losers bracket gets #4, which has just turned out to be Point Lomas. If Gusties win they get 3rd and if they lose they get 5th.
Go Gusties!!!

Thats a bit of a weird setup.  They must go by record also.  Usually in an 8-team field, the losers of the 1st day can only finish at best 5th.

Just as I am typing this, I believe that GAC and Maryville just went to OT
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 07:04:02 PM
GAC loses to Maryville in OT, 68-64.  GAC had an 8 point lead with less than 6min to go in regulation.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on December 30, 2007, 09:56:58 AM
All in all, the young Gusties team had a good trip. Beating UW-Eau-Claire (24), losing by 1 point to Carroll (23) and then losing to another winning bracket team, Maryville in overtime shows they are developing more as a cohesive team with every game. They should be a strong contender in the MIAC race!

I can't imagine what the third game looked like. The stats look like the game was won at the foul line and not by shooting percentage but number of opportunities. In addition, 48 game turnovers - what's this?

The Stats

                               GAC                             Maryville
Field Goals        25-56  44.6%              21-61  34.4%
3-point FGs         6-20  30.0%                5-17  29.4%
Free Throws        8-11  72.7%              21-32  65.6%
Reb ()-D)           37 (5-32)                     41 (15-26)
Turnovers               26                                 22

Guess I'll have to wait 'til I see someone who saw the game to put this into perspective.  :-\
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on January 06, 2008, 11:31:41 AM
 ???The board certainly is quite today! It looks like it's anyones ballgame in the MIAC this year and it appears almost certain that there will be only one team going beyond the playoff tournament this year. Any comments out there, or is everyone in shock? :'(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on January 06, 2008, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: gacunk on January 06, 2008, 11:31:41 AM
???The board certainly is quite today! It looks like it's anyones ballgame in the MIAC this year and it appears almost certain that there will be only one team going beyond the playoff tournament this year. Any comments out there, or is everyone in shock? :'(

This may be the most wide open competition in years.  It appears that the usual favorites are all beatable this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 06, 2008, 11:02:32 PM
Wow. Some surprising results on Saturday. What happened to Vadnais and the Gusties? 1-12 on the heels of a 3-14 performance? Ish!

I'll do my best to stir this up with some random tidbits of info...

Didn't figure I'd take in the best game of the day...but the SMU/STO game was surprisingly fun when compared to the others. The Oles have a freshman PG, Jamie Erdahl, who looked like a stud; she won't blow anyone away with her average athletic ability, but is a heady player who knows how to play the game. She hit five bombs, including a couple in the final five minutes to bring the Oles out of a big hole.

STO junior Elyse Erickson also had a huge game against an undersized SMU squad, pouring in 31 through a variety of impressive post moves. Haven't heard the name before? That's because this is the first year she's gone out after not seeing eye-to-eye with the old regime, apparently.

The Oles have some nice pieces, but their passing is atrocious. They should continue to struggle, but have the potential to surprise people, unlike recent years.

As for the new Olaf coach, Dave Stromme...he got run out of town as Duluth as the interim head coach prior to getting this gig. His *sister* is the Athletic Director up there and he still got passed over for the full-time position. I'm not going to draw any sort of conclusions based on one game/season with another coach's players, but that's a heck of a track record to be looking at. And must have made for an interesting holiday season during the Oles' 10-day break from practice.

As for SMU...the return of Alyse Coates was *huge* in its second-straight win. For awhile, she did all the team's scoring. Then she puked in the garbage can during a timeout. Apparently she was pretty fired up to get back on the court after a year of ineligibility and played her guts out :)

Weisbrod is tough, but she needs some help in the paint and a shooter or three on the perimeter. Miller will be fun to watch for the next four years.

And now for the juicy info...

This is the lead to a story printed in the Fargo Forum in late December.

"MOORHEAD -- A Concordia College janitor fired from his job today has been arrested by Moorhead police after female basketball players reported a camcorder set up in a locker room. Steven James Sopko, 31, 306 1st Ave. SW., Dilworth, Minn., was taken into custody late this afternoon."

A search of the house found roughly 100 tapes and 7 camcorders. And the dude is currently free on bail. Hide the women and children next time you head up that way.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 07, 2008, 01:17:28 PM
After the way this first weekend with the Gusties losing to St. Kate's and Carleton getting hammered at UST (so much for Carleton invincibility) all I can say is this thing is kind of wide open at the moment.

Another round of interesting games tonight.  Looks like I should be able to catch both the Concordia-Hamline and UST-Bethel tilts.  Needless to say, GAC NEEDS to get its act together - NOW.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 08, 2008, 09:39:20 AM
LA:

What did you think of the Cobber - Piper tilt last night.

I would be especially interested in what you thought of the Cobber freshmen, they have been playing more and more lately, and playing well in my opinion.

By reading the game recap it sounded like the Cobbs were able to play a strong second half after an even first half
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 08, 2008, 02:17:42 PM
Have to admit that was a big road win for the Corn last night over at Hamline.  Yeah, I thought some of the new faces for Concordia looked pretty good and should go a long way in keeping the Cobbers in the mix for the forseeable future.

Was also able to catch the UST - Bethel matchup where the Tommies also came away with a big road win.  Maybe this group is better than I originally thought.

I see the Gusties escaped with a road win down the River last night.  Not sure how the game went but they'll have to be clicking on all cylinders to steal a win in Moorhead tomorrow night. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on January 09, 2008, 11:33:09 AM
Looks like Simpson is more talented than any other MIAC team this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 09, 2008, 09:12:59 PM
Gusties lose another close one in Moorhead which seems to happen everytime the two teams play up there. The Gusties continue to give up three pointers like its going out of style -- 8-17 tonight for the Cobbers. Also it might be time to think about putting the freshman Mathiowitz in the starting line-up. Vadnais needs some help on the offensive end, and Mathiowitz appears to be the only one that might be able to do it consistently.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 10, 2008, 01:19:09 AM
gacbacker - Vadnais may need help, but she doesn't appear to be doing herself any favors, either. She's 13-for-56 over her last four games for an ugly 23%.

I haven't seen any games yet this year, but what are the chances she's better off looking to drive and dish on occasion rather than throwing up the off-balance floaters as she tries to draw contact that have become her forte? It's clearly not worked the last few times out -- unless she's simply misfiring on open looks, which doesn't seem likely.

I understand she's a talented bulk shooter/scorer in the same mold/mentality as Ally I, but it might be time to pull in the reins a little bit, eh?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 10, 2008, 07:14:41 AM
It is good to see some acvtivity on the board again.  Game at cobber country was fun to watch:  2 teams playing great defense!  Yes, the freshmen group are fitting in very well.  CC let a 12 point lead disappear but pulled it back together for the win.  No specific standout; just great teamwork.  Mel has some excellent players around her who can move that ball around.  Gusties played hard but shooting percentage was not good.
They had numerous offensive rebounds which kept them in hte game - their press was a bit bothersome.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on January 10, 2008, 03:57:16 PM
After the second round of games yesterday I will haft to say.....man I'm tired of being right....Any miac team can compete....Hamline beats Carelton, Cobs beat Gusties....Should be interesting when these conference games during J term finish out.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 12, 2008, 07:03:13 PM
Wow I don't know which team is in worse shape right now...Gustavus or Carleton. The Gusties continued their poor play in a loss to the Tommies, who I wasn't even that impressed with. The Knights lose to St. Mary's! Unbelieveable.

And St. Ben's squeaks by Augsburg by 3! What a weird year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 13, 2008, 01:32:11 AM
Simply a disheartening loss by the Gusties today; I don't know how else to put it.  Where do you start?  The once proud and mighty GAC defense is now a shell of its former self.  There was little (if any) cohesiveness during possessions.  It seems incomprehensible to me that this is the same team that beat UW-Eau Claire and narrowly lost to two high-quality teams out in the San Diego tournament just a few short weeks ago.  How did the wheels suddenly come off?

Another team circling the drain all of a sudden is the once seemingly invincible Carleton Knights.  Like the Gusties, the Knights showed so much promise at the start of the season.  Now they appear to be an average team at best and their playoff hopes may be quickly going down the proverbial down-down with Saturday's somewhat predictable 63-60 loss to SMU.

Elsewhere, Concordia rolls the Christians, STO likewise over Mac, and the Bennies need O.T. to nip Augusburg. 

WTF is going on with this conference anyway?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 13, 2008, 02:46:29 PM
L.A. - While I agree that the GAC defense this year isn't as good as last year, especially in the area of weak side help, the defense had little to do with the loss yesterday to St. Thomas.

The Gusties have two major problems right now: 1. Their half-court offense is terrible. Nobody knows how to set a good screen and the little movement that exists is predictable. 2. The Gusties can't rebound worth a lick.  Radtke and Nelson -- two guards -- accounted for 16 of the team's 30 rebounds yesterday. The Gustie forwards need a wake-up call and need to start going after rebounds like they really want the ball.

The Gusties were lucky to get out of the 40's yesterday on the scoreboard and I think holding the conference leader to 57 points should be more than enough to earn a victory. Defense is not the problem.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 13, 2008, 04:42:58 PM
GAC Backer - I guess the rebounding thing is what gets me the most and perhaps I should have elaborated that point ast night.  There were times when UST had 2-3 cracks at a bucket yesterday due to GAC's inability to rebound which I guess ultimately lies in the defensive scheme of things.  And yes, you're right ; the GAC half court offense is horrible right now.  I'm very hesitant to point any fingers, though; I just don't want to go down that route.

As much as I like both Molly M. and Brittany Holm (and I think they'll both develop into very good players) I think one thing that GAC misses is real "presence" down low; something they haven't had since the days of Kelly Etzel.  UST was able to capitalize on this with Embree doing a lot of damage yesterday. 

I hate to think about it but this could be a long, disappointing winter for the Gusties.  :( 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 13, 2008, 05:44:33 PM
Wasn't there yesterday, again, but here's what I don't understand: How can you shoot 16-72 over the last five games and not start looking to make plays for others at a higher clip?

Vadnais was 3-16 yesterday with one assist and a handful of airballs. She has 13 assists and 12 TOs over the last five games — which aren't terrible numbers, but still are something I think could/should be much better for a player of her skill level.

Her passing was what I liked best about her game over the last few years, but that seems to be disappearing this season — particularly in games where GAC gets behind early.

Is she trying to force too much, gacbacker? What's your take?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 13, 2008, 06:37:18 PM
WW- Vadnais is in a shooting slump there is no question about that, however I don't think her passing/unselfishness has suffered. Yesterday she made several nice passes, but her teammates were unable to finish at the rim, including one with under two minutes left that would have cut the St. Thomas lead from 3 to 1.

It would be interesting to see how many of Vadnais' assists last year went to Monahan, who finished at the rim just about as good as anyone I've seen in the MIAC the last 10 years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 17, 2008, 12:23:41 AM
Gusties get what the doctor ordered: a dose of Hamline.

Vadnais returns to form with 21 points on 8-14fg, and the Gusties receive a strong game inside the paint (what a concept) from Katie Layman.  Layman and Mathiowetz have the best fg % on the team. If the Gusties are patient enough to get them the ball on a consistent basis, the offense looks 100% better and things will start to open up for the guards.

A couple of quick notes:

-Vadnais is 9 points away from becoming the school's all-time leading scorer. She will eclipse the mark set by Monahan just last year.

-The Gustie alum curse continues. Haller has never lost to Bethel or Hamline since Herby at Bethel and MYK at Hamline - both Gustie alums - took over those respective programs.

-Macalester 70 Bethel 69. Ouch. Coming into this season it looked like Bethel had a chance to compete for one of the top 3 spots...now they sit in a tie for ninth place with Augsburg and a game behind a surging Macalester team. Congrats to Ellen Thompson for making that Macalester team competitive.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on January 17, 2008, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 17, 2008, 12:23:41 AM
Gusties get what the doctor ordered: a dose of Hamline.

Vadnais returns to form with 21 points on 8-14fg, and the Gusties receive a strong game inside the paint (what a concept) from Katie Layman.  Layman and Mathiowetz have the best fg % on the team. If the Gusties are patient enough to get them the ball on a consistent basis, the offense looks 100% better and things will start to open up for the guards.

A couple of quick notes:

-Vadnais is 9 points away from becoming the school's all-time leading scorer. She will eclipse the mark set by Monahan just last year.

-The Gustie alum curse continues. Haller has never lost to Bethel or Hamline since Herby at Bethel and MYK at Hamline - both Gustie alums - took over those respective programs.

-Macalester 70 Bethel 69. Ouch. Coming into this season it looked like Bethel had a chance to compete for one of the top 3 spots...now they sit in a tie for ninth place with Augsburg and a game behind a surging Macalester team. Congrats to Ellen Thompson for making that Macalester team competitive.

I was able to catch that game last night.....Some of the worst officiating I have ever seen...That being said Hamline made some bad mistakes with regards to turnovers and Gustavus took advantage of it everytime.  Hamline's 12 point lead evaporated quickly....Question...Why in the world would Coach Haller put subs in up by ten with one minute plus left?? Odd, that lead could have evaporated quickly.  Vadnais was putting in some crazy shots and Mathiowetz was solid down low.  Good win for gusties, I would like to catch the rematch.  Cheers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on January 17, 2008, 11:45:21 AM
Did anyone catch the Cobber-Tommie bout last night???

Wondering if anyone has any first hand thoughts about it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 17, 2008, 01:41:12 PM
Yeah, I was there (and also at the CSB-St. Kate's game later on).  UST had to hang on for dear life; withstanding a furious, very late comeback bid by the Cobbers.  A nasty little incident during that game; just before halftime:  Sara Sorbo used a flagrant forearm/elbow to a UST player (Townsend, I believe) and sent her sprawling to the floor and quickly got T'd up for it.  Really not sure why she did that; it just looked bad.

Meanwhile, CSB looked as strong as ever in running the Kitties out of their own crib.  Kate's simply had no answer for this team and the height it brings.  Where does Durbin get all these tall players anyway?   ???

Was very relieved to see the Gusties got back on the winning track as well last night; supposedly playing well again.  Now the question becomes:  can they keep it up? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 17, 2008, 02:15:51 PM
Yojo...interesting thoughts.

First off, I thought the officiating was actually pretty good last night. The crew was very consistent on calls underneath the basket, they actually allowed for blocked shots, which often times in women's basketball doesn't happen. A blocked shot underneath is offen whistled as an automatic foul which really bugs me.  The only area where I thought they missed a few calls was in the travelling category which is pretty normal.

On Haller's decision to clear the bench up double digits with a minute to go: While I see your point, and the decision ended up making things a little more interesting at the end than it needed to be, I think an argument that is just as valid is why didn't Young-Kruse clear her bench when she saw Haller was doing so. It's an unwritten rule, so she can do what she wants, but everybody in that gym knew that the game was over if the Gustie starters stayed in the game.

Also I think Haller's move makes sense for several reasons. One, she is protecting her best players from a late-game injury, and two, the Gusties haven't had many comfortable victories this season so she wanted to give some p.t. to those players who work hard in practice everyday who don't get to play.

On another topic, we're almost to mid-season and right now I see the MVP race being a two-horse race between Jess Vadnais and Jessica Katch with Katch holding a slight lead right now.

If the Gusties finish in the top 4 I think Vadnais has a solid chance of repeating as player of the year. If the Tommies end up #1 or #2, I think Katch might be a lock. Right now she is in the top ten in the conference in scoring, rebounding, assists, steals and blocks. That's pretty impressive.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on January 17, 2008, 06:00:50 PM
The officiating was very inconsistent...team fouls were what...24 to 15???? It didn't decide the game but this seems to be a theme in the miac....as to the "unwritten rules" this is college basketball and to my knowledge teams play to win...I have seen double digit leads evaporate in under a minute many many times.  Safe lead would have been 20 not 10.  It should take around 4 sec to bring the ball up and 2 or 3 to drained off the clock...That's about ten offensive poss. left on the floor.  Difference of opinion I suppose. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 17, 2008, 08:56:14 PM
gacbacker - Your loyalty is noted and appreciated, but I'm not sure Vadnais should be a top 5 MVP candidate at this point.

Her team was picked to finish anywhere from first to third on these boards and by the coaches. The Gusties are currently fifth in the league (one game out of ninth) with a 6-6 overall record and a terrible loss to the Auggies. Plus, her numbers are down across the board, including ugly 34% FG and 22% 3-point percentages. She's basically Kevin Durant — and I don't mean the Texas version.

Is she talented? Of course. Is she worthy of the MVP right now? Not even close.

Katch is easily the first half MVP, though I wouldn't count out Hageman or someone else stepping forward — Vadnais, perhaps — before the year is over.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on January 17, 2008, 09:24:54 PM
MVP talk.

I have been to 5ish St. Bens teams and have had a chance to see a few players from different teams play. I have not seen Katch or Vandais play, but they both seem to be the marquee players.  Hageman had a very tough game when I saw her play against St. Bens.  Couple notes on the "big girls" around the league that I've seen so far.

Center for Augsburg was very impressive.  She is a solid player who definitely knows how to play to her strengths.  She was very effective against St. Bens even though she played with 4 fouls for a lengthy part of the game.


It should be an interesting remainder of season.

I am looking forwardto the Tommie/Bennie matchup next Monday.  I would imagine that St. Ben's should be able to play with them, but it seems that St. Thomas knows how to finish, something we don't know about St. Bens yet.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 18, 2008, 02:45:02 PM
WW - You are right Katch would be MVP if the season ended today, but I still think Vadnais is top 3 right now. Katch, Hageman and Vadnais are really the only three candidates in my opinion right now. St. Ben's and Carleton don't really have a standout to be worthy of consideration. Vadnais' chances will increase if the Gusties have a better second half of the season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 18, 2008, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on January 17, 2008, 11:45:21 AM
Did anyone catch the Cobber-Tommie bout last night???

Wondering if anyone has any first hand thoughts about it.

Yep!  Saw the CC-Tommies game - not very pretty.  CC seemed to have slept too long on the bus - not much leadership coming out on the floor.  They have to step up and play more consistently on the road.;  the freshmen are not hurting the team at all.  Tough to come back on a great team - down by 11, down by 13 and down by 16.  Doesn't make much sense.  At an y rate, the tommies are a great team with the addition of #11.  On the tape, Sara really didn't do much.  There are notable players who have polished the "flop" and that will work quite often.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 18, 2008, 05:37:19 PM
Quote from: Da-dented1 on January 18, 2008, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on January 17, 2008, 11:45:21 AM
Did anyone catch the Cobber-Tommie bout last night???

Wondering if anyone has any first hand thoughts about it.

Yep!  Saw the CC-Tommies game - not very pretty.  CC seemed to have slept too long on the bus - not much leadership coming out on the floor.  They have to step up and play more consistently on the road.;  the freshmen are not hurting the team at all.  Tough to come back on a great team - down by 11, down by 13 and down by 16.  Doesn't make much sense.  At an y rate, the tommies are a great team with the addition of #11.  On the tape, Sara really didn't do much.  There are notable players who have polished the "flop" and that will work quite often.

That's not how I saw it.........Not to label Sorbo as a "dirty" player per se but that was a flagrant arm/elbow that caught Townsend and she got quickly T'd up for it.

I'd be hesitant to call UST a "great" team.  Indeed, they're very solid and the addition of Embree has been a godsend for Coach Ruth Sinn.  But to put them in the same category as, say, the '03 GAC and Carleton teams is a bit of a stretch.  Nonetheless, they're in great shape right now and they'll probably wind up winning the conference for the first time in quite a while unless CSB can somehow overtake them.

Right now if I had to do it my front-runners for MVP would be Katch, Vadnais, and Melanie Hageman.  I would also keep my eye on both Jess Weisbrod of SMU and Heinen from Hamline as well.  But right now Katch has the edge.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 19, 2008, 06:28:07 PM
Anyone get score updates?  Sure seems slow on MIAC website this year and more difficult to navigate.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on January 19, 2008, 08:25:28 PM
GAC over Olaf by 8
Carleton over Mac by 9
Bethel over St.Mary's by 33 big ones
CSB over Ham by 10
UST over St. Kate's by 5

(all courtesy of the MIAC home page under "composite schedule")

Is it me, or is the conference down this year?  Having not seen a game yet, I can't comment in person, but the inconsistency of pretty much every team (except UST so far) doesn't bode well for any MIAC team making an NCAA splash.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 19, 2008, 09:47:03 PM
CM - I'll see my second league game on Monday, but that seems a fair assessment. GAC was much stronger last year and still got handled by the second-best team in...(insert some far west region league). I've got to imagine the one MIAC team who qualifies this year could get stomped in the playoff opener.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 21, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
Ugly game in Northfield right now, but Gusties lead 27-23 at half. Carleton has 14 turnovers and shot 29%, so the Gusties can't feel real great about such a slim lead.

As an aside, this Miles announcer guy for the Knights is extremely negative. Hard to listen to...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on January 21, 2008, 07:43:40 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on January 21, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
Ugly game in Northfield right now, but Gusties lead 27-23 at half. Carleton has 14 turnovers and shot 29%, so the Gusties can't feel real great about such a slim lead.

As an aside, this Miles announcer guy for the Knights is extremely negative. Hard to listen to...

Not sure if you know, but there is video off the Carleton website.  No announcer though
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on January 21, 2008, 08:26:15 PM
Inbounding from underneath their basket with 1 second left, Carleton hits a layup at the buzzer to send it to OT.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 21, 2008, 08:28:53 PM
Wow! Sketchy ending going on a Carleton!

With Tammy heard yelling for a foul down 4 with 45 seconds left, Isler mugs an unnamed Gustie for a steal and a layup. Gusties miss a 3 as the shot clock goes off and the Carlies get a shot to tie with 8 seconds left.

They miss and the ball goes out of bounds (I think, since the Carleton announcers quit describing the action with 3 seconds to play). The refs huddle and put .5 seconds back on the clock, which astounds the CAR announcers. The Miles guy thought there should have been .1 or .2, at most. Naturally, the Carlies score on a backcut layup and send the game to overtime.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 21, 2008, 08:31:42 PM
Sidenote: The player who "fouled" per Tammy's direction would have been Oken-Berg, which would have been her 5th.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on January 21, 2008, 08:41:05 PM
GAC wins it OT
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 22, 2008, 12:19:30 AM
Wonka, why'd you listen to the Carleton webcast?

Nice win for the Gusties tonight in Northfield, Vadnais with 23 points in the second half, Nelson played big, Schultz had her best game of the year, Mathiowetz with big minutes in overtime, and Peterson doesn't take a shot all game, but makes game clinching free throws in the final seconds.

Not surprised at all by the St. Ben's win over St. Thomas. Conference is up for grabs.

By the way, Bethel gives up 92 points to Augsburg??!?!?!?!? Between the women's program and the men's program it must be illegal to play defense in Arden Hills.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 22, 2008, 01:07:37 PM
gacbacker - I couldn't get your link to work for some reason. I'm sure I was just being retarded, but I was also lazy and went for the easy way out.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 22, 2008, 01:40:35 PM
Must have been some game down in N'field last night with the Gusties claiming their first win at Carleton in a while (1st time since '03 reg. season?).  Hopefully now GAC has got the ship righted.  Would have loved to have been there to witness it but thanks to the ridiculous 5:45 starts the conference has insisted upon it wasn't possible.

I did catch two very good games here in the metro area last night:  First, Bethel came from behind as many as 13 points in the second half to knock off Augsburg 99-92 in OT.  Big game from Nautsch down low by the Royals.  Then was able to catch the 2nd half of a wild affair between Olaf and Kate's with the Oles claiming a 70-68 win.  A costly loss for the Kitties who were without Ashley Busch with that eye injury suffered Saturday against UST. 

I see CSB knocked off UST last night to forge a two-headed monster at the top.  I still think UST will somehow wind up on top at the end, though.

P.S.
Sorry for the delay in this post.  With the recent passing of Georgia Frontiere I have been too busy trying to decide if I should sing "Amazing Grace" or "Ding Dong The Wicked Witch Is Dead".   :D         
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on January 22, 2008, 09:32:18 PM
Caught the CSB UST game last night.  CSB played well and definitely needed to win that one.  They will have a much tougher time when they play on the road at UST.  A few notes from the game.  St. Ben's had a very balanced scoring attack with 3 players in double figures and 4 or 5 scoring 8 or more. 

First time I've seen Katch play.  Definitely must not have been her best game.  I'm surprised at the MVP talk with her.  I didn't think she was even the best player on their team.  #11 (the girl that is playing for her first year as a senior) was the leader of the team on offense.  Very good mid range player.

Still a lot of season left though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on January 23, 2008, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: PRF2007 on January 22, 2008, 09:32:18 PM
Caught the CSB UST game last night.  CSB played well and definitely needed to win that one.  They will have a much tougher time when they play on the road at UST.  A few notes from the game.  St. Ben's had a very balanced scoring attack with 3 players in double figures and 4 or 5 scoring 8 or more. 

First time I've seen Katch play.  Definitely must not have been her best game.  I'm surprised at the MVP talk with her.  I didn't think she was even the best player on their team.  #11 (the girl that is playing for her first year as a senior) was the leader of the team on offense.  Very good mid range player.

Still a lot of season left though.

I agree with the Katch assessment.  It's hard to see how someone averaging 14.4 points a game on .354% field goal shooting, .163% three point percentage and .662% free throw percentage, is a viable league MVP candidate.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 23, 2008, 11:20:43 AM
There isn't a single player in the league this year who doesn't have a weakness somewhere on their stat line.

Katch is the front runner for MVP because she is in the top 10 in the conference in all the major catagories: points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, and her team is tied for first place in the conference.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on January 23, 2008, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 23, 2008, 11:20:43 AM
There isn't a single player in the league this year who doesn't have a weakness somewhere on their stat line.

Katch is the front runner for MVP because she is in the top 10 in the conference in all the major catagories: points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, and her team is tied for first place in the conference.

She might be top 10, but you have to be a clear defined MVP of your own team to be considered a league MVP.  Vadnais and Hageman are clearly that.  I couldn't have picked Katch out of a crowd, but it could have also just been a tough game for her.

St. Bens gets pounded by Concordia tonight.  Team shot 1-16 from three and about 25% overall from the floor.  St. Ben's really seems to struggle if they aren't able to hit a few threes to spread out the floor.  Watched this game on Webcast.  Even despite the poor game from St. Bens, Concordia definitely looked like a strong and confident team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 23, 2008, 09:23:01 PM
Cards up 27-20 to St. Thomas at Half.

I am in awe of the conference the last couple years nonetheless this year. What happened to the talent? It's hard to even go and watch a girls game.

Can we go back to the era of Pearson, Freeman Sisters, Rattunde, Heikenen, Colbenson, Ahlberg, Johnson, Monahan, etc???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 23, 2008, 09:47:54 PM
Quote from: PRF2007 on January 23, 2008, 08:27:15 PM
She might be top 10, but you have to be a clear defined MVP of your own team to be considered a league MVP.  Vadnais and Hageman are clearly that.  I couldn't have picked Katch out of a crowd, but it could have also just been a tough game for her.

Last year's voting would seem to refute this. I know plenty of people who thought Monahan was the best player on GAC last year, yet Vadnais walked away with the MVP.

I haven't seen Katch play this year, but her steady play across the board compounded with her team's (surprising) success makes her a/the front runner. This is bound to change, as Hageman and Vadnais are the more talented players in most peoples' eyes.

Quote from: PRF2007 on January 23, 2008, 08:27:15 PM
St. Bens gets pounded by Concordia tonight.  Team shot 1-16 from three and about 25% overall from the floor.  St. Ben's really seems to struggle if they aren't able to hit a few threes to spread out the floor.  Watched this game on Webcast.  Even despite the poor game from St. Bens, Concordia definitely looked like a strong and confident team.

Wow. And if SMU beats UST? Just wow.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoopscoopsmiac on January 23, 2008, 10:09:04 PM
Cards lose to Tommies 55-52 in the last seconds with a Chelsea Wirtz 3 pointer with 7 seconds left.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 23, 2008, 10:31:52 PM
Wow...bummer I missed the 49-34 game up in Moorhead. Blazers go 1-20 from three point range. Yikes!

Gusties win in a rout for the first time this season. And it looks as if Carleton took out some frustration on the Auggies tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Da-dented1 on January 24, 2008, 08:25:02 AM
Moorhead duo was about defense on both sides - fun to watch.

Think all this talk of MVP is interesting; however season is not quite over!  And to live in the past of previous Great players is..... It could be condsidered that there are more good players, better defense being played and no true dominant team.  Makes the conference more exciting to watch. Other years there seemed to be 1-3  teams that were beating up
on the rest of the conference and what did that get the conference.  How many years did the teams go deep in the tourneys?  At any rate, even though there may not be pure dominance, it could attract even more good players.  Who Knows? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 24, 2008, 01:06:01 PM
In addition of the GAC thumping of Mac last night I was also able to catch suddenly surging Bethel's 88-80 win over a slumping, injury-plagued St. Kate's team; still without the services of Ashley Busch.  CSB getting pounded up in M-head and UST surviving SMU on the road says a lot about how crazy this conference is this year.

Two players who I think also should be getting some run as far as the MVP race is concerned  are Trina PaStarr of Macalester and Annegret Nautsch over at Bethel.  Nautsch especially has meant a great deal in a resurgent Bethel effort to make the playoffs and has a pretty decent supporting cast as well that is starting to come around. 

The second half of the season is going to be verrrrrryyyy interesting to watch.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 25, 2008, 01:38:41 AM
Quote from: Da-dented1 on January 24, 2008, 08:25:02 AM
Moorhead duo was about defense on both sides - fun to watch.

34 points in 40 minutes and 25% shooting isn't good defense. Spin it how you like, but that's embarrassing offense no matter if you're a Gustie, Tommie, Cobber or Bennie...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 26, 2008, 06:55:29 PM
Well the conference is really wide open after today...five teams within one game of each other. The Tommies were due to lose one of these close games sooner or later. Looks like St. Ben's barely escaped against St. Mary's.

As for the Gusties: Vadnais' earlier struggles which were well documented here by Wonka, appear to be over. In the last three games she has put up some pretty nice numbers and at the same time has perhaps played herself back as the favorite for MVP:

21-33 fg, 5-10 3fg, 22.3 points per game, 10 steals, 6 assists, 3 turnovers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 27, 2008, 12:28:54 AM
Another unbelievably wild day in the MIAC.  Olaf edges Thomas at Schoenecker, CSB survives SMU on a last-second shot by Tauer, Carleton beats Concordia by 2 in M-head, and Hamline uses a buzzer-beater in OT to knock off Bethel.  Of course, the game I attended, Macalester vs. St. Kate's, had none of the last-second frantic finishes that the other games provided.  I had really thought St. Kate's would be the one to grab the 6th spot at the beginning of the year but those hopes are dashed now.

Meanwhile, good to see the Gusties keep rolling along - like they should have been all season.

Hard to say how things are going to pan out now........I still think UST will somehow wind up on top at the end.  Two teams I would be very scared of right now:  St. Olaf and Macalester.  Neither one will make the playoffs but they have the capability to ruin a good team's dreams.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 28, 2008, 09:15:10 AM
PRF, not sure what you're talking about.  The former SMU coach was hardly a shady person.  Maybe you're just bad at judging character.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 31, 2008, 12:48:19 AM
GB - Point taken. Vadnais looked like the MVP on Saturday. If she can score 20ish on less than 15 shots, I like GAC's chances, obviously. If she can continue to be productive *and* efficient, they'll be tough to beat with the way Nelson and Mathowitz (sp?) have played off the bench.

What changed at halftime tonight? 39-21 in the second half?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 31, 2008, 10:02:02 AM
WW - The Gusties have been using a lot of full court pressure in the last 6 games or so and last night it simply didn't work. Bethel had their share of turnovers, but when they didn't turn it over they pretty much got uncontested lay-ups.

Wisely, the Gustie coaching staff switched up to more of a half court man to man in the second half and Bethel couldn't do anything. Haller also shortened her bench in the second half which I thought paid some dividends.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say anytime Vadnais goes over 20 and the Gusties get three other players in double figures, they aren't going to lose.

I think the St. Ben's vs. Gustavus game up in St. Joseph on Monday is going to go a long way in deciding how the conference race shapes up. The Gusties get both Carleton and Concordia at home later in the season, so their only tricky road game after St. Ben's is with St. Thomas.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on January 31, 2008, 01:48:55 PM
St. Bens looked good against Carleton last night.  Hot shooting kept them in the game during the first half.  Carleton was executing their offense flawlessly in the first half.  I think they scored 10-16 points on back door cuts in the first half.  Lincoln and Okenberg are a very good duo and work very well with eachother.  When one or the other was out of the game they tended to struggle due to a lack of perimiter game.

The 2nd half was a different story with Okenberg getting very frustrated going against Frank and a slew of other Bennie posts.  Also, St. Bens played much better D and Carleton got a little lazy and tenative on offense. 

On a neutral court I think that Carleton is a better team right now due to their size and experience.  Okenberg and Lincoln are not only skilled, but they are very smart players and do not make many mistakes.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on January 31, 2008, 02:19:01 PM
PRF, how do you know anything about what was going on at SMU last year?  How could you possibly know if he was or wasn't going to class?

I think you have no idea what you're talking about, and maybe you should be in the situation before you try to state facts about what was going on.

Even if he was forced into coaching golf and didn't do a good job, how does that have anything to do with coaching basketball, the job he was there to do?  If he did such a bad job, then why were all his players unhappy when he left?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on January 31, 2008, 04:41:45 PM
east coast miac--weren't you the assistant coach at SMU last year? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on January 31, 2008, 06:57:11 PM
Quote from: east coast miac fan on January 31, 2008, 02:19:01 PM
PRF, how do you know anything about what was going on at SMU last year?  How could you possibly know if he was or wasn't going to class?

I think you have no idea what you're talking about, and maybe you should be in the situation before you try to state facts about what was going on.

Even if he was forced into coaching golf and didn't do a good job, how does that have anything to do with coaching basketball, the job he was there to do?  If he did such a bad job, then why were all his players unhappy when he left?

There's no need to slam coaches if it's going to offend anyone.  Let's leave with... in my OPINION St. Mary's is MUCH better off with the new coaching staff.  Hopefully this coach will be able to stick around for a while.  It would definitely help a lot.  I know one girl on the team that has had a different coach 7 out of the last 8 years since 8th grade.  She will be a Senior next year.

As for "not knowing the facts".  I know the entire golf team, 5 players from the baketball team(who weren't as dissapointed as you say), numerous staff members at St. Marys, and 3 players that were being recruited hard by St. Mary's and are college freshmen this year playing at other colleges.  If that's not enough information to come up with a solid and definitely defendible opinion... what is?

Once again,  this is my opinion....  Get over it.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 01, 2008, 08:41:58 AM
ECMF,
Trust me, SMU is WAYYYYY better off with the new regime that's in place now.  I think bolting after just one season says a lot, doesn't it?

(message edited by Dale "Chip" Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 01, 2008, 09:28:38 AM
Yeah I guess taking a job that's closer to your family and hometown is a real bad thing isn't it?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on February 01, 2008, 11:13:33 AM
east coast miac--weren't you the assistant coach last year at smu?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 01, 2008, 11:42:59 AM
I've had enought St. Mary's talk to last me about a year or so...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: mnbball4 on February 01, 2008, 06:55:23 PM
gacbacker,
so sorry one of the past 4 posts were not about jess vadnais, or the wonders of her 'game'.
they'll try to stay more on topic for your sake next time.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 01, 2008, 07:31:26 PM
Ha! I was just about to say...

90% of this board could prolly say the same thing about the Gusties, gacbacker, especially with the Bennie posters hibernating this winter.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 01, 2008, 08:21:05 PM
Hey I have no problem if you want to talk about what St. Mary's is doing on the court this year, but I don't really see the worth in two people arguing over the one year tenure of a departed coach. Especially when one side appears to be biased due to a personal relationship with the coach and the other seems biased due to relationships with players.

And if you are going to argue this ridiculously boring topic, at least give some facts to back up your points instead of going back and forth with "you don't know what you're talking about" "yes I do know what I'm talking about" "You don't know the whole situation" "yes I do know the whole situation"

And by the way mnbball4, or should I say Jamie? great way to start your posting career. A little jealous of the Gusties record perhaps over there in Northfield? Or just jealous of Vadnais' skills?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 02, 2008, 04:52:28 PM
St Thomas won at Carleton today
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 02, 2008, 07:53:16 PM
Was able to catch Concordia's win over Mac earlier this afternoon.  The game was close for the most part throughout the first half, then the Cobbers took adantage of some Mac miscues and the resulting flurry of points extended the Cobber lead to 7 at the half.  Melanie Hageman was nails today and it's easy to see why she's one of the front-runners for MVP.

Was also able to catch most of CSB's systematic destruction of (now) suddenly slumping Bethel.  Bad enough for the Royals who were without two of their normal starters - one out for the year with mono and the other deciding to hop down to Guatemala for the semester.  Even worse was the Blazers FY post Danielle Frank who was simply unstoppable today.  That, plus some exceptional perimeter sharpshooting by the likes of Falvey and O'Neil sealed Bethel's fate early.

Also, I see the Gusties snared a somewhat predictable win today.....and UST beat Carleton down in N'field.

This sets the stage then for (presumably) another classic GAC-CSB clash up in St. Joe Monday night.  While Vadnais will obviously have to be on top of her game, the bigger problem I see for the Gusties right now is dealing with Frank who has my vote for Newcomer of the Year.    Hopefully GAC will have an answer.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: mnbball4 on February 02, 2008, 10:24:32 PM
I respect Jess' skills, she picked me at least 3 times in our game at Gustavus. She also became the school's all time leading scorer during our game too - very cool.
But why can't you just let the posts flow normally... just because someone from st mary's isn't in the running for MVP doesn't mean you have to try and force the conversation away from some coach chat, and back to your beloved Gusties. You can knock our record, or my 'skill set' - but I'm quite alright with starting my 'posting career' with that last comment, and ending it with this one. Thanks.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on February 03, 2008, 12:08:44 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 01, 2008, 08:21:05 PM

And by the way mnbball4, or should I say Jamie? great way to start your posting career. A little jealous of the Gusties record perhaps over there in Northfield? Or just jealous of Vadnais' skills?

Way to go GAC, you called out someone by their real name.  I bet you slept well after that comment. 

In other news to get back on track for GAC's sake.... GAC is the great and I bet if all 5 starters score in double figures they will win every game.... Way to go out on a limb there. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2008, 10:51:37 AM
Quote from: PRF2007 on February 03, 2008, 12:08:44 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 01, 2008, 08:21:05 PM

And by the way mnbball4, or should I say Jamie? great way to start your posting career. A little jealous of the Gusties record perhaps over there in Northfield? Or just jealous of Vadnais' skills?

Way to go GAC, you called out someone by their real name.  I bet you slept well after that comment. 

In other news to get back on track for GAC's sake.... GAC is the great and I bet if all 5 starters score in double figures they will win every game.... Way to go out on a limb there. 

PR - Her identity is apparent jusy by clicking on her posting name. If she didn't want it known who she was — as 99% of the posters prefer, yourself included — she had a number of different ways she could have gone to make it so. It wasn't a big secret.

That said, posting by current players is generally frowned upon. I know of many MIAC coaches who actually ban it.

In non-Gustie news...where are the Katch haters now? 16, 9, 6 and 5 steals against Carleton is a nice little game, even if it did take her 19 shots to do so. This after going 14, 7, 5, 5 the game before. For those who have seen her of late, is she at least a passable defensive player? She's still the leader in my book, though a Top 3 finish by GAC would likely change that.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2008, 11:01:48 AM
Small sidenote: The MIAC currently has FIVE players shooting better than 85% at the FT line, with three others just below at 83%. Carelton's Ally Weaver leads the way at a ridiculous 97%.

In the last three years the league had only three players shoot 85+ and two were by Vadnais, who sits fourth in the current "race."

Maybe I'm so impressed because I topped out at 60% in college, but still... :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 03, 2008, 11:14:24 AM
I still think the MVP race is a three horse race with Katch, Vadnais and Hageman. A lot will be decided in the next 8 days in my mind as the Gusties face St. Ben's, St. Thomas and Concordia in that span. If Vadnais performs well and the Gusties win two of those three games, the MVP might be hers.

WW and others:  Do you think someone can win the MVP if he/she is not the leading scorer on his/her own team. Going into yesterday's games Carrie Embree was actually outscoring Katch by the smallest of margins. Embree is also fourth in the conference in rebounding...perhaps she should be receiving consideration for MVP, given that St. Thomas has made the jump from an average team to a conference leader with the same players except for the addition of Embree.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on February 03, 2008, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 03, 2008, 11:14:24 AM
I still think the MVP race is a three horse race with Katch, Vadnais and Hageman. A lot will be decided in the next 8 days in my mind as the Gusties face St. Ben's, St. Thomas and Concordia in that span. If Vadnais performs well and the Gusties win two of those three games, the MVP might be hers.

WW and others:  Do you think someone can win the MVP if he/she is not the leading scorer on his/her own team. Going into yesterday's games Carrie Embree was actually outscoring Katch by the smallest of margins. Embree is also fourth in the conference in rebounding...perhaps she should be receiving consideration for MVP, given that St. Thomas has made the jump from an average team to a conference leader with the same players except for the addition of Embree.

I agree with GAC on this one WW.  Katch is a good player, but I was expecting her to be the clear leader and focal point of St. Thomas.  I think my problem with Katch for MVP is more about how good Embree is than Katch being bad.  In my opinion Embree is the most valuable player on that team and probably #3 in the conference behind Hageman and Vadnais.

That being said, great game by St. Ben's yesterday.  This team is much much different than the team that lost a few straight earlier this season.  Schmidt scored 20 on some very hot shooting and Frank had 18 pts and 15 boards.  Very impressive game by those two along with a freshman off the bench who scored 11 on some hot 3 point shooting.  Should be a great game on Monday!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 03, 2008, 12:12:14 PM
There are a lot of factors to weigh in the MVP debate and the team who finishes in the Top 2, presumably with CSB, should have the leg up on the competition. That said, I honestly think Vadnais will win it again.

As MM recently said on the men's board, coaches prefer older players and seem to make it a career award. While Hageman has certainly put up the numbers, Vadnais has done little this year to show she wasn't a worth recipient of the award last season. It's also very easy to recast the same ballot since the number haven't changed much.

The UST situation is a little trickier with the addition of Embree.

Katch is a junior who has started all but 2 games in her career. Embree came out for the first time as a super senior. UST was mediocre, at best, with Katch the first two years (9-16 and 15-11), but had certainly shown improvement. Embree accelerated the curve, but who deserves the credit?

I doubt the coaches would reward a first-year player with the MVP, especially when there is another deserving player on the team. And Katch would be deserving, if he numbers remain strong and the team finishes in the Top 2. It's also possible the two would split votes, though many GACers thought the same last year with Vadnais and Monahan.

Here's a quick breakdown of the alleged top candidates.

Katch
13.6 PPG, up from 10.8
6.7 RPG, down from 7 (The Embree Effect)
4.1 APG, up from 3.0
3.2 SPG, up from 2.8
1.0 BPG, N/A

Vadnais
18.9 PPG, up from 18.4
3.5 RPG, down from 3.9 (After losing Monahan)
2.3 APG, down from 3.2
3.1 SPG, up from 2.2
>0.1 BPG, same

Hageman
18.1 PPG, up from 17.2
7.3 RPG, up from 6.9
0.9 APG, down from 1.4
1.5 SPG, up from 1.0
0.3 BPG, down from 0.6
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 04, 2008, 09:21:35 PM
buf - You listening to the GAC@CSB game, by chance? Updates would be appreciated. I heard the Bennies were up 1 at the break.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 09:33:51 PM
This game is being updated on our front-page scoreboard. I saw at least three different updates, including GAC trailing out of the gate 12-2 and rallying to cut it to ... I think 18-14.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 09:35:04 PM
And now there's a update about five minutes into the second half.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 04, 2008, 10:07:07 PM
Gusties lay an egg in the second half up in St Joseph...couldn't really do anything right in the second half, but that's a tough place to win I guess.

Looks like St. Thomas won as well, so the Gusties fall two games behind the leaders. Looks like the Kitties beat the Cobbers, so the Gusties remain in a tie for third. Carleton gains a game on GAC and Concordia with a come from behind two point win at home vs. Bethel.

If I'm the Gusties and I'm looking at my playoff position, I want to do anything I can to avoid St. Ben's in the semifinals. St. Thomas still doesn't scare me, but St. Ben's at home is a tough match-up.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 04, 2008, 10:51:28 PM
It was a very tight game with GAC actually taking the lead midway through the 1st half. One point game at half but CSB dominated the second half to win by around 20. Our 6'4 post, Danielle Frank played great the second half with around a dozen rebounds, 8-10 points and she must have had 6 or 8 blocks. Mindy Schmidt had 20 to lead the Blazers and she had alot of help. It looked to me like Vadnais was either hurt or under the weather.  ??? She took herself out with about 8 minutes to go and only came back with around 3 minutes left. She also didn't score in the second half. Now i would like to say my blazers just stopped her but I'm not sure if there was anything wrong or not.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 05, 2008, 12:47:16 AM
Here's one fan happy (from afar) with the results in St. Joseph tonight.  Danielle Frank has really developed into a major threat in this conference, with an almost nightly box score of double-doubles.  Hopefully all the top teams will remain healthy and injury-free, so that the conference race can be decided without anybody complaining.  (except Tammy, who always complains about something ::))

Seems to me like Coach Durbin is doing a great job this year, especially after graduating 5 seniors last spring, all of whom were starters for at least a portion of their respective careers.  Of course, Mike will probably get ignored in the Coach of the Year voting AGAIN, since being consistently good apparently doesn't get you respect in that category.

Heck, Mickey Haller has 3 COY awards in recent years, and GAC has only ONE conference title since the beginning of MIAC women's hoops in 1982, compared to CSB and UST, with 10 each. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 05, 2008, 11:50:43 AM
Oh Collegeville Magic, settle down. Durbin gets plenty of respect within the conference.

And if you just want to give the Coach of the Year award to the coach of the conference winner, as your last post seems to imply, why even have the award?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 05, 2008, 12:49:00 PM
CSB run in the 2nd half doomed the Gusties as they weren't going to pull out of that canyon.  Actually, I thought GAC was in pretty decent shape at the half after getting themselves out of a hole early on.  Disappointing to say the least but I've got to tip my hat off to CSB as they can hurt you in a lot of ways - both down low with Frank and/or Gillund or on the perimeter with Schmidt, Falvey, or Carter.  Looks like the regular season title will likely boil down to that meeting on February 23 at Schoenecker between CSB and UST - just like the good ol' days I guess.

Wow, was surprised to see that St. Kate's took it to Concordia last night although I wonder if the second trip down to the Cities in as many days had something to do with that.  I thought they would have spent Super Bowl weekend here in town but one of the Concordia players told me they were going back after Saturday's game with Mac (over at St. Kate's, of course).  Anyone there to see what went down last night? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 07, 2008, 01:48:02 AM
Gacbacker- I'm not saying that conference champion is automatically the COY, but if we often discuss the MVP as a competition mostly between the best players from the best teams, and the winner is often from the top team, there's no coincidence that team performance plays a major role in MVP (which makes sense).

However, I find it odd that Durbin could win National COY in a year (twice, in 02-03 and 97-98) in which he wasn't even the conference COY.   That's like having a first team All-American who doesn't make the All-Conference team.  It's just odd.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2008, 02:15:49 AM
CM - Who named him national COY during those seasons? If it was D3hoops, I can provide other examples of such...odd...decisions that I know Pat loves reading so much about ;D

And I've got to imagine league expectations played a large role in those "losses." Was CSB a unanimous pick as conference champs those years? Meeting expectations is often less impressive than exceeding them.

I'm interested in seeing UST play on Saturday. Katch put up 16-6-6-4-2 again Wednesday (on nights when Vadnais and Hageman were both well below their lofty standards), but I've heard good things about Embree. Both were extremely tough last time against GAC, as Katch went for 15-15-4 and Embree posted 13-8.

It's a huge game for playoff implications, too. A Gustie loss has them staring at a playoff road game, where a win puts them in contention to receive a first-round bye.

GB - Is Vadnais nursing an injury? She's 8-29 in her last 2, posted no floor game stats (19-0-1-0-0) against SMU and is playing significantly fewer minutes than normal over that stretch (28 and 30 when she was averaging almost 35 prior). What's the scoop?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: nkwest on February 08, 2008, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2008, 02:15:49 AMI'm interested in seeing UST play on Saturday. Katch put up 16-6-6-4-2 again Wednesday (on nights when Vadnais and Hageman were both well below their lofty standards), but I've heard good things about Embree. Both were extremely tough last time against GAC, as Katch went for 15-15-4 and Embree posted 13-8.

It's a huge game for playoff implications, too. A Gustie loss has them staring at a playoff road game, where a win puts them in contention to receive a first-round bye.

UST's guard situation may be the biggest factor heading into Saturday's match up against Gustavus.  Backup PG Becky Theisen came out of the locker room after halftime on Wednesday wearing a boot and in visible pain.  Starting PG Sheena Porter-Wrzos went down hard in the second half and came up limping, but managed to play through it and finish the monster game she started.  Kristen Kieta picked up Theisen's minutes and looked a little lost out there, so depth there could be an issue.  Chelsea Wirtz played a lot of PG minutes her first year, but is much better at the 2 spot, and shooting guard Anna Swanson was in street clothes on Wednesday suffering from an ailment of some sort leaving UST thin at that position as well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 08, 2008, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2008, 02:15:49 AM

GB - Is Vadnais nursing an injury? She's 8-29 in her last 2, posted no floor game stats (19-0-1-0-0) against SMU and is playing significantly fewer minutes than normal over that stretch (28 and 30 when she was averaging almost 35 prior). What's the scoop?

Nothing she hasn't dealt with the past two years. Her typical bumps and bruises that she incurs during the course of the season.

The two games prior to the past two, I think the Gusties had 3 and 4 players in double figures. The past two, when Vadnais has struggled, she hasn't gotten much help. If I was an opposing team, I wouldn't think twice about playing the "stop Vadnais, make the rest of the team beat us" defense. I can't remember who St. Thomas put on Vadnais in the game in St. Peter, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out on Saturday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 08, 2008, 12:05:19 PM
Article about the Blazers' Danielle Frank on MinnPost today...

http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2008/02/08/819/nine_days_after_her_perplexing_heart_problem_is_solved_shes_the_basketball_player_of_the_week
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 09, 2008, 10:32:33 PM
GAC over St. Thomas
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 10, 2008, 01:18:17 AM
Yeah I know......and unfortunately I didn't get to go to this one.  Must have been a great one to watch to say the least.  WW/GAC Backer, either one of you there today?

Doesn't get any easier for GAC either as they have to travel to M-head on Wednesday night to take on the Corn.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 10, 2008, 01:00:03 PM
Actually L.A. the game is in St. Peter on Monday which makes a huge difference since the Gusties haven't won up in Moorhead for a long time.

The Gusties really grinded out a victory yesterday at St. Thomas. It wasn't pretty, but they will take the W anyway they can. Vadnais was held in check by Katch so Nelson and Layman really had to step up and that was good to see.

Gusties still have a realistic shot to finish anywhere from second to fifth depending on what happens in the next two weeks. Should be interesting.

Key Remaining Games
Feb. 11: Concordia @ Gustavus
Feb. 20: St. Thomas @ Concordia
Feb. 23: Carleton @ Gustavus
Feb. 23: St. Ben's @ St. Thomas
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 11, 2008, 08:31:34 AM

Yeah, I got enlightened about that yesterday A.M.  about the game being in St. Peter tonight (God I hate those ridiculous 5:45 starts).  In any event, the Gusties simply have to bring their "A" game tonight and be fired up.  No excuses.  This stretch run is a huge opportunity for GAC to possibly get a 1st round bye or at least secure a 1st round home game when the MIAC playoffs begin.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 11, 2008, 01:07:58 PM
Very impressive outing for the Gusties winning on the road against a first place team when your two leading scorers combine for only 8 points.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2008, 08:54:34 PM
GAC over Concordia this evening.  Pretty close game all the way, but Gusties make a small run towards the end of the game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 13, 2008, 06:21:15 PM
West Region
1. Simpson 15-1 19-2 .544 .538
2. George Fox 12-1 19-2 .558 .537
3. Puget Sound 13-1 18-3 .507 .544
4. Chapman 13-3 20-3 .556 .490
5. St. Benedict 16-4 17-4 .496 .514
6. St. Thomas 15-6 15-6 .536 .512
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 14, 2008, 01:42:30 PM
Geez, what's happened to everybody on this board lately?  I've never seen this thing so quiet during the season.

Was able to catch CSB's hard-earned victory over Mac last night.  Guess Mac started fast before CSB got things going their way.  Mindy Schmidt and Mackenzie O'Neill were spectacular from the perimeter when they had to be and Frank had a chunk of blocked shots to her credit.  Still, I had to be impressed with how Mac hung tough, even w/o Danielle Johnson who did her ACL last Saturday against St. Olaf.

Elsewhere, I see that the Tommies cruised over Augsburg as expected and that Carleton had to hang on to knock off Hamline.

Also, was able to catch a good portion of the St. Olaf - Bethel clash over in Arden Hills.  While the Oles are basically playing out the stretch, Bethel still has fast-fading playoff hopes.  What an utter disaster of a season for the Royals.  Seemingly in control of that 6th playoff spot a mere month ago, Bethel has gone into a tailspin in more ways than one.  First, they lose Wolters who fled the frigid weather for Guatemala, then Laugen comes down with mono.  Now, the latest hit:  Gabriela Gustafson, the premier perimeter sharpshooter for the Royals, has apparently been dismissed from the team.  One can only speculate on what went down here but I have to suspect that the somewhat strict nature of the Bethel atmosphere somehow played a role in all this.  Guess Bethel wasn't such a great choice after all was it GG?  ;)   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 15, 2008, 09:33:48 AM
L.A. - Not surprised at all by the Gustafson dismissal. I watched her play in high school many times and lets just say she had some attitude issues and just about the worst body language I've seen from a high school player. I would guess her dismissal had less to do with the "strict nature of the Bethel atmosphere" and more to do with her disrespecting one of her coaches or teammates.

Bethel still has a decent shot at the playoffs though due to their easy schedule (St. Mary's, Macalester, Augsburg) and Hamline's much tougher schedule (St. Ben's, Gustavus, Macalester)

Bethel needs to go 3-0 and have Hamline go 0-3...because Hamline would win a tie-breaker based on their win over Carleton earlier in the season. Bethel went a dismal 0-10 against the top 5 teams in the conference.

Not a real intriguing schedule for Saturday, but next Wednesday will be interesting with two games pitting playoff teams against one another. St. Thomas at Concordia and Gustavus at Hamline.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ghost of MIAC Past on February 15, 2008, 10:10:50 AM
Just wanted to say congrats to Jess Weisbrod for scoring her 1000th point.  It's a major accomplishment considering she's played for three coaches in four years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 15, 2008, 01:34:32 PM
Gacbacker,
Yeah, unfortunately I can vouch for the attitude thing in GG's case as well from watching her play when she was with MCTC.  I just had this feeling that this was a bad, bad fit from the get-go.  Being that she does have one more year of eligibility left I wonder if she'll be able to catch on somewhere else?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on February 16, 2008, 11:46:36 AM
Looking forward to a tough game for St. Bens today.  St. Ben's has been great at home this year, but this definitely has the making of a trap game.  Hamline can sew up a spot in the playoffs with a win today and St. Ben's has been making a habit of starting slow.  Hamline's freshman post plays with a lot of confidence and was definitely not afraid to go right at the St. Ben's posts who had a very tough time defending her in their first meeting.  Combine this with some hot shooting and St. Ben's could find themselves in a struggle today. 

That said, I think St. Ben's should pull this one out winning by ten.  It will be a close game with St. Ben's pulling away late.  This team is starting to finally develop some confidence with a very young team and they have just been too tough at home. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 16, 2008, 03:42:05 PM
The Gusties have to squeak by St. Olaf today in Northfield 71-66.

Question: How do you force 24 turnovers and shoot 26 more free throws than your opponent and still be in position to possibly lose the basketball game?

Answer: Give up WIDE OPEN three point shots the entire game. I didn't see a minute of the game, but I'm guessing the Oles' success from long range today (10-24) had to do with the zone defense the Gusties have fallen in love with recently.

Vadnais, by the way, has locked up the MVP in my opinion with her past two performances: 25 pts, 8-17fg, 7 rebounds, 3 assists vs. Concordia; 23 pts, 8-17fg, 4 rebounds, 4 steals vs. St. Olaf.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on February 17, 2008, 11:22:43 AM
Gac"debunker" - You are way off on your "Answer". First of all, Erdahl and Oja were not wide open all game. The first three of Oja's 3's WERE wide open in the first 14 minutes of the game. She was the top scorer in the first half for the Ole's with 9. At half time an adjustment was made and during the second half the only wide open 3's taken were by Erdahl in the last two minutes of the game when she threw up four threes, each from 6 to 10 feet beyond the arc. In the second half, the Gac defense was in the face of both Erdahl and Oja. Erdahl has one of the fastest releases I've seen in a long time. She is almost impossible to stop as her shots were just a continuous motion from receiving the ball. For the year, Jamie Erdahl's 3 point percentage has been .265 - this game she shot .40. Kelsie Oja had a .273 average and this game shot .46. They both were hot this game!!! Fan's were heard to say" How did she get that off and how did it ever go in? In particular, this was true of Erdahl whose quick release and an arc that looked like it could hit the ceiling were unbelievable. Both of these players deserve credit for an exceptional game.

Now, about defense. GAC has at least 6 different defenses they can use during a game. Two of them are a form of ZONE defense. One of the assistants on the bench, as part of their duties, keeps track of the type of defense being used at any time during the game to assist coaches in making  strategic adjustments.

The ZONE was used by GAC for 4 minutes 38 seconds in the game with the OLE's.

Reporting what one observes at a game is one thing - making judgements based on pure statistics and heresay and then making comment toward the coaching is poor judgement. Especially when you are supposed to be a Gac"backer".
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 17, 2008, 02:04:02 PM
gacunk- A little defensive aren't you? Just because I'm a gacbacker, doesn't mean I can't be objective. Maybe its the journalist in me.

My "judgments" were based on words spoken by the St. Olaf webcast announcer, who said over and over again that St. Olaf players were "left wide open for three" In past games the Gusties have had a tendency to leave players open for three when they play zone. It's a pretty simple connection. It's not often that a player finds themselves wide open on the perimeter when a team is playing man to man defense. By the way I didn't know that Pat Coleman had made it a rule that you have to be in attendance at a game in order to post here. My mistake.

You said that some of Erdahl's three's were "six to ten feet beyond the arch" I, of course, wasn't at the game, but I have a feeling that this comment might fall under the catagory of biggest exaggeration of the year. Ten feet beyond the arch and you're getting close to the halfcourt line.

Anyway you want to spin it, the reason St. Olaf was in the game with a chance to win was because they scored 30 points from beyond the arch. You have to admit that when you force 24 turnovers, shoot 26 more free throws than the other team, and the other team doesn't shoot its first free throw until there are less than two minutes left in the game, that you should win handily.

That was the point of my post, not to make a comment "toward the coaching" which is apparently what you decided to dig out of it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 17, 2008, 03:31:13 PM
LA- I would venture a guess that if Gustafson resurfaces in the conference, Hamline might be the place.  That's based on nothing other than how much I enjoy making fun of their coaching staff for trying to get extra eligibility out of various assorted characters in the past few years.

Good luck to everybody in sorting out the conference playoff positions this week, I'll be cheering from afar for my Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2008, 02:02:25 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 16, 2008, 03:42:05 PM
Vadnais, by the way, has locked up the MVP in my opinion with her past two performances: 25 pts, 8-17fg, 7 rebounds, 3 assists vs. Concordia; 23 pts, 8-17fg, 4 rebounds, 4 steals vs. St. Olaf.

Fairly bold statement, gacbacker. Have you seen what Katch has done recently?

15 points, 7-11 FG, 9 boards, 8 assists, 6 steals and 1 block against Auggie Tech.
She then went for 23 and 11 in a close win over St. Kates on Saturday, though the box score still isn't available for the rest of her stat stuffers.

On the heels of holding Vadnais to 2-11 and making her a nonfactor the ENTIRE game — which GAC still won — I'm not sure I can agree with your assessment. Plus, the Tommies are still a game ahead of the Gusties in the league standings.

If you want a pure scorer, Vadnais is the easy choice. If you want the most complete player on the "better" team, I'm fairly certain you have to go with Katch. It will be interesting to see how the league coaches view the award.

For What It's Worth

• Katch is 10th in scoring, 9th in rebounding, 1st in assists, 2nd in steals, 6th in blocks and 4th in assist-to-turnover ratio.
• Vadnais is 1st in scoring, 3rd in FT percentage and tied for 3rd in steals.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 18, 2008, 09:51:56 AM
WW- If the Tommies lose to Concordia or St. Ben's or both, and the Gusties win out, which would put them in a tie or ahead of the Tommies, how would that change your opinion?

I just think the coaches are inclined to give it to Vadnais, being that she won the award last year and has followed that up by leading the conference in scoring this year. I'd be willing to bet that across college basketball, regardless of the division, a reigning MVP who then leads his/her conference in scoring the next year, wins the MVP again at least 90% of the time.

It's a pretty safe bet don't you think?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2008, 02:15:15 PM
I'll get to this tonight, just in case anyone else wants to chime in. Otherwise, we might as well have had this conversation at the UST game :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
gacbacker - Did you just get the same email I got? Looks like your "proof" that Vadnais had locked up the MVP got trumped by Katch's performance last week. Could this be some MVP foreshadowing?

University of St. Thomas junior forward Jessica Katch (Urbandale, Iowa/Dowling Catholic) averaged 19.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 5.0 assists and 5.0 steals and went over 500 career rebounds in leading the second-place Tommies to a pair of road wins in a 2-0 week. Katch played just 22 minutes in a 27-point win at Augsburg but made a run at a quadruple double with 15 points, nine rebounds, eight assists and six steals. In Saturday's 70-67 win at St. Catherine, Katch had 23 points, 11 rebounds and four steals. She scored nine points in a game-closing 29-14 run over the last 15:03. Katch is the lone MIAC player to rank in the top 10 of conference stats in points, rebounds, steals, assists and blocks. Stats for the Week: 16-of-35 FG, 4-7 3FG, 2-5 FT, 38 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals, 3 turnovers, 2 blocks
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2008, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 18, 2008, 09:51:56 AM
I just think the coaches are inclined to give it to Vadnais, being that she won the award last year and has followed that up by leading the conference in scoring this year. I'd be willing to bet that across college basketball, regardless of the division, a reigning MVP who then leads his/her conference in scoring the next year, wins the MVP again at least 90% of the time.

It's a pretty safe bet don't you think?

If I were a betting man, I'd be with you. Thankfully, I'm not...or TI would have been my doom long ago :)

On the surface, I have no problem with your premise. However, since scoring isn't the only part of basketball that's important, I hope you don't mind if I dig a little deeper.

Vadnais' current stats as compared to her MVP season of 2006-07
Scoring = down
Rebounds = down
Assists = down
3pt shooting percentage = down
FT percentage = down
Minutes = up
Shots = up
Team record = worse

Katch? Her numbers are up in every single one of those categories, some quite significantly.

Just to be clear, I'm not anti-Vadnais and will be cheering for the Gusties from now until I kick the bucket. I've also never met Katch, even though I feel like she should be paying me for heading her campaign department.

I just want to make sure any lazy coach with a ballot (and who reads this garbage) doesn't blindly write Vadnais' name down because she earned it last year — which she did. It remains far from a clear-cut decision this season.

To switch gears entirely...

Assuming the Bennies win out, who does CSB least want to see as the #4 seed when the season ends? Without looking at how the tiebreakers shake out, I think it could be either UST, GAC, CAR or the Cobbs. All but the Tommies have beaten them once, and UST gets its chance at revenge (and possible home court throughout the playoffs) to end the year.

There appears to be a good race for the #6 spot going on as well, even if none of the posters care about those teams :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 20, 2008, 10:18:29 AM
WW- I hear your argument regarding the comparison of stats from last year to this year.

I think another aspect that you have to look at is this: Where would Vadnais' and Katch's respective teams be this year if you took them out of the equation. The Gusties, as we know, have nobody else averaging in double figures. I think its possible that the Gusties are on the outside looking in as far as the playoffs go if Vadnais isn't on this team.

Katch on the other hand appears to have much more consistent support around her. Embree has been solid all year. Porter-Wrzos and Wirtz have had some nice games as well and are much more experienced that the crew surrounding Vadnais.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 20, 2008, 01:49:03 PM
Gacbacker,

Interesting how you should mention Embree in all of this.  Without question she's the main reason UST is where they're at right now along with a shot at a regular season co-title w/CSB.  Simply no way UST would be where they are right now w/o her.

Also, don't forget about Melanie Hageman at Concordia who has played a huge role in her four years as a Cobber.  It's unlikely that the Corn would be where they're at minus Hageman.

I'm hoping the Gusties (and the Little Lefty) have huge performances tonight and this weekend to swing the tide.  But right now, just because of the numbers, I'd have to give the edge to Katch.  And if the Tommies pull off a road win up in M-head and then beat CSB at home on Saturday she's probably going to have the inside track.     

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 20, 2008, 02:34:47 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 20, 2008, 01:49:03 PM
And if the Tommies pull off a road win up in M-head and then beat CSB at home on Saturday she's probably going to have the inside track.     

Those are two big If's, but IF both of those scenarios happen and the Tommies force a tie with the Bennies, then I would have to make Katch the favorite as well. I don't think its likely though, in fact I think its more likely that the Tommies go 0-2.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 20, 2008, 03:27:07 PM
gacbacker - Only 2 days respond? They must have you working hard over there...or else it took you awhile to come up with plausible explanations :)

Hageman appears to need two big games — and wins — to insert herself back into this discussion. She's got a game that's impressive in a Zach Randolph sort of way, meaning she scores and rebounds very well but doesn't do much else. The rest of her MVP competition brings it in more categories and currently has their teams in better playoff positioning.

If the race is truly down to Katch and Vadnais, as GB and I seem to have steered it towards, Vadnais seems to have a rather significant advantage heading into the final two games.

The Gusties play Hamline and Carleton, who they went swept in their first meetings. The Pipers and Knights have combined for a 23-17 league record.

The Tommies close with the Cobbers and Bennies, who they split with earlier. CC and CSB have combined for a 27-9 conference record and have an outside shot at being the top two teams in the league when the smoke clears.

As your resident stat head, here's how Katch and Vadnais performed against their two remaining opponents in the first meetings.

Vadnais
23 PPG
4.5 RPG
2 APG
3.5 SPG
57% FG

Katch
12 PPG
3.5 RPG
4.5 APG
0.5 BPG
2 SPG
41% FG
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 20, 2008, 08:25:47 PM
Oles over Carleton 63-51

Katch has a 3, the assist on the go-ahead jumper by Embree and a jumper to put UST ahead 65-61 over Concordia with under 30 seconds to play. CC led 56-55 with around 3 minutes left. She just got the board on a Cobber miss and got fouled and sank both FTs, too.

Concordia's stat tracker deal is slick.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 20, 2008, 09:08:14 PM
Tommies win 69-63.

Once the Cobbers took a 56-55 lead, here's how the game finished for UST.

Wirtz 3, Katch assist (58-56)
Katch 3 (61-56)
Embree jumper, Katch assist (63-61)
Katch jumper (65-61)
Katch rebound, fouled, 2-2 FT (67-61)
Katch fouled, 2-2 FT (69-63)

If that's not an MVP performance, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 20, 2008, 10:52:37 PM
Tonight:

Katch: 21 points (7-12), 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 assist

Vadnais: 22 points (7-13), 6 rebounds, 4 steals, 2 assists

So you think something was settled in Katch's favor based on tonight Wonka?

Why don't you just come out and admit it that the reason you are not on the Vadnais for MVP bandwagon is because you're bitter that Monahan didn't win it last year.   ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 20, 2008, 11:07:23 PM
And not to rehash any old wounds with Gacunk or anything, but the Gusties give up 8 more three's tonight. Whether they were against the zone or any of the "six defenses that Gustavus plays", giving up 18 made threes in two games is too many. Whether any of the GAC faithful want to admit it or not, this has become a weakness this year.

In fact I did a little research this week and it turns out the Gusties have given up more three's already this year -- with at least two and potentially three or more games to play -- than they have in a long time.

This year opposing teams are 114-347 from three point range
06-07: 98-392  (Note the 16 fewer made threes with 45 MORE attempts)
05-06: 78-250
04-05: 94-268
03-04: 78-285

I could go on, but I think you get the point. So the question becomes why are we giving up so many more three's? Do we have worse perimeter defenders than last year? Nope, we have the same perimeter defenders as last year...the difference is we are playing some zone for the first time ever, and in my opinion the results have not been good. Why fix, what's not broken.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 20, 2008, 11:17:51 PM
Obviously, nothing is settled yet. But are you really saying Katch's performance wasn't more impressive tonight?

The numbers were basically the same, but consider the fact that UST was on the road against a much better opponent and Katch did absolutely everything in crunch time to earn the win — in a game you predicted they'd lose, no less. On the flip side, GAC beat a struggling Hamline team who may play itself out of the #6 seed.

I'd love to yell "MVP! MVP!" at Monahan every time I see her for the rest of her life, but I'm hardly bitter. Either would have been deserving winners last year...though this makes *not* winning the league title more than a little frustrating.

I haven't seen/listened to GAC play enough to comment on the 3-point situation.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 20, 2008, 11:27:49 PM
Sure Katch's performance is more impressive tonight, but it's not Vadnais' fault, she didn't make the schedule. Just a week ago, Vadnais put up 25 in a Gustie win over Concordia in what was probably just as important of a game as the one tonight was in Moorhead.

Bethel eliminates themselves from playoff contention tonight with a 48-40 loss to Macalester. So it appears that the winner of the Hamline/Macalester game on Saturday will be the #6 seed. Personally I'd love to see Macalester in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 21, 2008, 08:33:20 AM
Was able to catch GAC gut out a 68-63 win over a very tricky Hamline squad at Hutton Arena last night.  While not the prettiest win perhaps, GAC did the right things they needed to when it counted.  Vadnais certainly did her part in holding up her end of the battle for the MVP race.  I also thought Emily Nelson was a solid, stabilizing force out there for the black and gold as well last night. 

Definitely some shockers elsewhere......St. Olaf over Carleton (can ANYONE figure out the Oles?)?  Mac over Bethel ( :D)??  Oh yeah, UST over Concordia AT M-head? 

For a myriad of reasons, Saturday is going to be an incredibly fun day.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 21, 2008, 08:59:20 AM
 ;D Oh,and by the way, the Blazers won another championship last night! ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on February 21, 2008, 10:08:51 AM
What is the tiebreaker sequence for the MIAC anyway?  Hamline and Mac would have the same conference record if Mac wins.  Or Concordia and Carleton for the fourth spot.  Congrats to St. Bens.  I am going to pick.......Hamline to grab the last spot, Championship game= St Bens v St. Thomas = St Thomas conference chamption.  We'll see.  Should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 21, 2008, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 21, 2008, 08:33:20 AM


Definitely some shockers elsewhere......St. Olaf over Carleton (can ANYONE figure out the Oles?)?  Mac over Bethel ( :D)??  Oh yeah, UST over Concordia AT M-head? 


Better yet.  Can anyone figure out the Knights?  Very disappointing year thus far.  Their entire roster back, plus a good young FY guard in Ally Weaver, and they've lost 7 conference games.  It appears that some of their players, Oken-Berg in particular, have regressed.  Hannah's averaging 11.6 points per game, down from 15.3 points per game a year ago.  Perhaps, more importantly, she doesn't appear to be the force on defense she was last year when she blocked 52 shots in 27 games.  This year she has blocked just 15 shots in 23 games.  Ouch!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 21, 2008, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 21, 2008, 08:59:20 AM
;D Oh,and by the way, the Blazers won another championship last night! ;D

Uh, not so fast there, Blazerguy.  My understanding was that if UST beats CSB at Schoenecker (and I personally think it's likely they will) then UST will earn the #1 seed as a regular season co-champion with CSB.  I'd love to see GAC get the #2 seed somehow but I just don't think it's in the cards for them. 

Obviously, the other intriguing battles are for the #'s 4,5, & 6 seeds.  You can flip Carleton and Concordia any which way you like but that battle for the last spot is going to be very interesting as well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 21, 2008, 02:36:45 PM
Actually, Blazerguy is right.  There was no mention of #1 or #2 seed for the playoffs, only a statement that CSB has guaranteed at least a share of the conference title.  If UST wins on Saturday, whatever the tie-breaker outcome might be (since it's pretty convoluted), that means that CSB and UST share the title for the conference record books.  If CSB wins, it's an outright title for the Blazers.

Saturday should be a good one!  Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on February 21, 2008, 04:12:56 PM
CSB losing on Saturday?  I don't know how anyone could see that as being a LIKELY scenario.  It is definitely a possibility that they won't win, but likely is quite a stretch with how CSB has been dominating lately.

Few stats for CSB

Scmidt has had 20+ in 5 of the last 7 games.
Frank had 16 pts 12 rbds and 7 blocks in her last game. (21 blocks in last 3 games)  Including one that was swatted over the visitor bench last night.

CSB does seem to get cold shooting on the road though.  It will be a good game.  It is likely that CSB will win though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 21, 2008, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: yojo on February 21, 2008, 10:08:51 AM
What is the tiebreaker sequence for the MIAC anyway?  Hamline and Mac would have the same conference record if Mac wins.  Or Concordia and Carleton for the fourth spot.  Congrats to St. Bens.  I am going to pick.......Hamline to grab the last spot, Championship game= St Bens v St. Thomas = St Thomas conference chamption.  We'll see.  Should be fun to watch.

Yojo, if Mac beats Hamline, Mac would go to the playoffs as the sixth seed due to the third tiebreaker that the conference considers which is "Results against above teams beginning in rank order" Macalester with their win over St. Thomas earlier in the year would therefore beat out Hamline who's best win is against Carleton this year.

Should St. Ben's beat St. Thomas and Gustavus beat Carleton, therefore forcing a tie between the Tommies and Gusties for second place, Gustavus would get the #2 seed based on their one win over St. Ben's, where St. Thomas would have gone 0-2 against the Blazers.

As for Carleton and Concordia...if they should end up tied for fourth place...Carleton gets the nod as they swept the Cobbers this season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: yojo on February 21, 2008, 05:39:37 PM
Thanks gacbac, makes sense.....btw, mvp clearly goes to Vadnais.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 21, 2008, 05:58:44 PM
LA - Actually, CSB is locked in as the #1 seed for the conference playoffs.  No matter what happens in the UST-CSB game Saturday.  Even if UST wins, they will have exact conference records but CSB wins the tie-breaker.  While a UST victory would mean that the teams would have split during the regular season, UST lost to a lower conference team during the season and that is the tie-breaker that gives CSB the #1 seed.  So, no matter the result Saturday, teams must travel through Claire Lynch Hall to win the MIAC playoffs.

Congrats to Mike Durbin and the Blazers...11 conference titles and 12 straight 20+ win seasons...we are all very proud and hope for more victories to come...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 21, 2008, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: yojo on February 21, 2008, 05:39:37 PM
Thanks gacbac, makes sense.....btw, mvp clearly goes to Vadnais.

Based on what?

Vadnais is top 15 in in the league in only one major category and her numbers have fallen across the board from a year ago. She still certainly worthy, but I would — and have — argued that it's FAR from clear with only one game to play. If Katch hits up her averages and UST beats CSB tomorrow night, I've got to think she becomes the favorite.

And, just in case anyone missed this yesterday...

Updated region rankings, not including games last night
West (overall, in region records)
1 Simpson 21-2 17-1
2 George Fox 20-3 13-2
3 Puget Sound 19-4 14-2
4 Chapman 22-3 15-3
5 St. Benedict 19-4 18-4
6 Gustavus Adolphus 16-7 16-7

EDIT: Completed my unfinished sentence :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 22, 2008, 12:32:56 AM
Wonka, to say her numbers have fallen across the board is being a little dramatic don't you think? We're talking about miniscule drops in a couple of categories...and you seem to forget that she was a first-team all-american last year. When you have a first-team all-american type season, sometimes there isn't anywhere for your numbers to go but down, especially when you are the clear focus of every opposing team's defensive efforts -- something that Katch can't say.

And I'm curious to hear what you consider "major categories." Apparently steals, free throw percentage and three point field goals made don't make the cut in your book?

Oh and by the way, since you felt the need to wave around Katch's miac player of the week award the other day, I thought I'd let you know that Vadnais was named to the D3hoops.com team of the week for the second time this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2008, 02:04:05 AM
You really want to know how I feel about any D3hoops award? Are you trying to get me banned by Patty Cakes? ::)

However, while we're here...I'd be curious to see the number of all-americans who earned such distinction on teams who didn't make the national tournament. It's been my experience that almost all come from teams who have great regular seasons and/or do well in the national tourney. The first one didn't happen and the jury remains out on the second for Vadnais to fulfill either criteria this year.

Am I being dramatic? Of course. Does that make the facts behind my statement false? Nope.

My meat-and-potatoes categories are the basics: scoring, rebounding and assists. Coincidentally, if you add those up for Katch and Vadnais, guess who wins? Katch 26.2-24.1. If you want to add in steals and blocks, the margin jumps to 30.4-27.1 in Katch's favor.

The only straight up stat comparison where Vadnais is the "winner" is scoring, and I'd hazard a guess that includes playing defense. How much is 3.5 points worth to you?

I looked at determining their PER rating ala John Hollinger when I was bored at work tonight, but the formula is WAY too complicated — though I'd wager a large amount that Katch destroys Vadnais here too since she's basically the KG of the MIAC. I guess the only question that remains now is...who is Embree, The Alien or Spree? :P

Oh, and I'd hate to play against that 10-player "first team" Vadnais was a part of last year — they could double you everywhere! :-*
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 22, 2008, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 22, 2008, 02:04:05 AM
My meat-and-potatoes categories are the basics: scoring, rebounding and assists. Coincidentally, if you add those up for Katch and Vadnais, guess who wins? Katch 26.2-24.1.

Well if we're going to use that formula, we better not discard Hageman, Embree and Nautsch:

Nautsch: 27.8
Hageman: 25.7
Embree: 24.4

I still think Vadnais wins it because if you take her away you could easily argue that the Gusties don't make the playoffs and I don't think you can make the same argument for Katch.  I will say that if the Tommies beat St. Ben's and earn a share of the conference title, that could swing the vote in Katch's favor.

If I'm a coach in the conference with a vote, it would be hard to not vote for Katch given her numbers if the Tommies are co-champions of the conference.

If the Tommies and Gusties tie for second, I would vote for Vadnais in a second.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: budman on February 22, 2008, 04:55:17 PM
Willy, it seems as I read the postings that you seem like a personal cheerleader for Katch, without a doubt she is a fine player. The difference between her and Vadnais is this: without Vadnais, GAC would be in the battle for the number 6  seed and probably would not make it. This is not a knock  on the other players but Katch is got a stronger cast surrounding  her. GACbaker makes  a strong point when he says Vadnais is the player every team tries to stop. they guard her like little kids guard players, they don't care where the ball is , just folow her around and face guard her. You have to get over Vadnais being named MVP over Monahan. It is getting a little obvious.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 22, 2008, 05:30:05 PM
My Predictions for Conference Awards:

All-Conference
Vadnais, Hageman, Nautsch, Katch, Embree, M. Schmidt, Oken-Berg, Berglund, PaStarr, Baltzer, Suedbeck, Weisbrod, Lurken, E. Erickson, Frank
(Erickson and Frank got the final nods over Lincoln, Haakanson and Tauer)

First-Year
Frank, Wilkowski, Erdahl, Mathiowetz, Renne  (Ally Weaver was the odd one out)

All Defensive
Katch, Nautsch, Bell, Vadnais, O'Neal

Sixth Player of the Year
This is a dead heat between Falvey of St. Ben's and Emily Nelson of GAC in my opinion. I could be forgetting about someone too.

Coach of the Year
Durbin

MVP
Vadnais
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 23, 2008, 02:09:53 PM
Interesting section on the UST game preview:

The six-team MIAC basketball playoffs begin Monday.

--St. Ben's is assured of the No. 1 seed and will play at home in the semifinals next Wednesday night;

--St. Thomas can take the No. 2 seed with a win or with a Gustavus loss to Carleton; If UST loses and Gustavus wins, the Gusties are No. 2 and get a bye into the semis, and the Toms are No. 3 and host the No. 6 seed (Hamline or Mac) here Monday night.

--Carleton wins the No. 4 seed with a win at Gustavus or a Cobber loss. Concordia wins the No. 4 seed with a win or a Carleton loss

--Saturday's Hamline-Macalester winner is the No. 6 seed

Is this breakdown correct?  Either way, there's certainly a lot on the line today in terms of the MIAC playoff lineup!  Go Blazers!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 23, 2008, 02:54:07 PM
The UST website links to some internet broadcast (without sound, in my case) that has a CSB 25, UST 21 halftime score.  Is that correct?

Any other score updates out there? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on February 23, 2008, 05:36:38 PM
St. thomas 56  St bens 55

First days take on Tommies vs. Bennies...

Great last 10 minutes from the tommies.  They will have some real confidence heading into the playoffs now which will make them tough to beat.

St. Ben's lost it towards the end of the game and will have to find themselves in the next 3 days to get back into form before a very tough matchup either way on Wednesday. 

MVP of the game.... Carrie Embree... This game would have been a blowout with out her...

There is no way Katch is the MVP of this league.  There are 2 more valuable players in this league including one on her own team.  MVP goes to Vadnais due to the fact Embree loses her votes due to splitting with Katch.


Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 23, 2008, 10:05:53 PM
Disappointing performance by the Gusties today who got off to a bad start from the get go against Carleton.  This is not the way you want to go into the playoffs and it'll be interesting to see how GAC recovers from this loss to get ready for Monday night - if they can.  They still have a legitimate shot at winning the conference tournament although they'll have to do it the hard way now. 

Wow, must have been a barn-burner over at Schoenecker earlier today between CSB and UST.  I had a feeling that UST would find a way to pull that one out although even I wouldn't have figured they would do it in the fashion that they did. 

Also was able to catch Hamline's victory over Mac in the late afternoon as the Pipers claimed the 6th spot.  Gotta give Mac a lot of credit at least for getting into this position of having a chance to get into the MIAC playoffs considering where they had been and all they had gone through.  With everybody returning and, depending on what new faces they bring in, they should be even better next year.

Just really bummed out about GAC going down at home on senior day.   :(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 24, 2008, 12:15:31 AM
Quote from: budman on February 22, 2008, 04:55:17 PM
Willy, it seems as I read the postings that you seem like a personal cheerleader for Katch, without a doubt she is a fine player. The difference between her and Vadnais is this: without Vadnais, GAC would be in the battle for the number 6  seed and probably would not make it. This is not a knock  on the other players but Katch is got a stronger cast surrounding  her. GACbaker makes  a strong point when he says Vadnais is the player every team tries to stop. they guard her like little kids guard players, they don't care where the ball is , just folow her around and face guard her. You have to get over Vadnais being named MVP over Monahan. It is getting a little obvious.

Here's what I posted. If you want to read farther into it, I guess that's your call.

I'd love to yell "MVP! MVP!" at Monahan every time I see her for the rest of her life, but I'm hardly bitter. Either would have been deserving winners last year...though this makes *not* winning the league title more than a little frustrating.

I didn't get to see/listen/watch any hoops today, but the UST SID seems to be pushing my campaign hard with his lead paragraph in the write up of today's huge win. He also seems to disagree with PRF2007's take of the game. Katch shot horrible and didn't score much, but she made everything when it counted, apparently.

"Jessica Katch scored two baskets in the final 29 seconds to force overtime, and scored the go-ahead basket with 18 seconds left in the extra session to lead the host Tommies (19-6 overall, 18-4 MIAC) to a 56-55 comeback win over St. Benedict (20-5, 18-4) in MIAC women's basketball play at UST's Schoenecker Arena."

************************************

FYI: Since the MIAC web page started keeping track of standings and POY awards — the 1997-97 season — no player whose team has finished outside the top two has won the award. Gustavus finished third this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: budman on February 24, 2008, 12:06:31 PM
Wrong again Willy, In the season 2003-2004 Mandy Pearson was the MVP and their team finished 4th, behind St, Bens, Carlton and GAV . St. Bens and Carlton finished 19-3, GAV finished 18-4 and Concordia 17-5. I guess you have trouble with the facts and pick out things that suit your agenda.  I can't imagine what you are going to post next year , it will be interesting to say the lease :o
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 24, 2008, 12:29:50 PM
Thanks for the help, budman. Apparently watching wrestling for 12 hours in the last 24 made me sloppy last night. But that still makes 1 in the last 10 years outside the top two teams.

Then again, ask Pearson if she deserved it that year and you'll get a pretty emphatic response.

So my point is clear, I'll have no problem if/when Vadnais wins her second straight MVP. I just happen to think Katch is more deserving this season in a tight race — and the way she won two huge games for UST to end the year only helps her cause.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 24, 2008, 10:28:03 PM
UST upsets CSB in overtime to grab a share of the title, Hamline wins a play-in game and GAC drops an ugly game at home on senior day — dropping it out of the national picture, without a tourney title — but all we have here are people complaining about my questioning Vadnais as the MVP choice? Hard to imagine where this conversation would be without my adding in a few apparently spicy opinions.

Hey budman, maybe you should sit with GB at a game so you get his unfiltered opinions ::)

GB - Are the votes for league awards collected before the playoffs start or after? Basically, will the upcoming games carry any weight in who wins the MVP? I knew the answer once, but have since forgetted.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 25, 2008, 01:42:59 PM
Just to throw in my 2 cents worth on the MVP thing:  I certainly have no problem if Katch does indeed get it; she's a very good player and has put up some very good numbers this year.  But ultimately I think you have to ask yourself where would GAC and UST be w/o Vadnais and Embree, respectively.  Toward that end, there's simply no denying that both teams might very well be on the outside looking in this week; particularly GAC.  In many ways I think Embree has made Katch a better player in that she (Embree) has taken on a significant load from Katch's shoulders, IMHO.

OK, now, with that out of the way, the playoffs begin tonight.  I think GAC will prevail although it could be a tussle but I think GAC will pull away in the end.  To me, Concordia and Carleton is a toss up; you never know what you're going to get from the Knights.  Even though they're the 5th seed in this affair, you've got to think that the Cobbers have a legitimate shot in this.  When they're on they're very tough.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 25, 2008, 02:19:38 PM
I think the MVP talk has run its course...actually it probably did about 2 weeks ago. But to answer your question Willy, I believe the votes for conference awards were due to one of the school's SID's yesterday. So the playoffs will have no bearing on the awards.

L.A. said that you never know which Knights team is going to show up. I think you can say that about every team in the league this year. I think St. Ben's is a clear favorite to win it though. They're just too tough on their home court and Frank is a game-changer. Without her, I think the Blazers have 2-3 more losses this season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 25, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
GAC down 51-50 with under 7 to play.

Don't have any details since I'm watching Beastley right now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 25, 2008, 10:01:27 PM
Wow. Vadnais on fire and GAC up 60-57 with under 4 to play.

AND

Young-Kruse doesn't get her team out of the huddle after a timeout and causes a turnover. Yikes.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 25, 2008, 11:42:41 PM
GAC over Hamline  79-66.

Carleton over Concordia 62-61.  Oken-Berg and Freudenberg each with 19.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MiacLostProphet on February 26, 2008, 12:48:54 AM
Good game at Gus Young tonight!  The Gusties jumped out early but couldn't hold of the pipers run as the pipes went into halftime with the lead.  It was good to see #5 for the Gusties play.  I haven't seen her play since high school.  It was nice to see a player from around town hoop it up in the MIAC.  The pipes played very well at the end of the first half and into the second half but seemed to run out of gas.  The Pipes were plagued by turnovers all day.  In the end Gus Young came to balance and the Gusties righted their ship and finished off the game winning by 13 points.  It was a good game and it was also good to see the Hamline women improving in their playoff play.

Willie, Beastley would look real nice in that Minnesota Uni
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 26, 2008, 01:26:12 PM
Gusties get the win and move on but it was a weird game to watch; frighteningly reminded me of Iowa's NCAA tourney game w/Northwestern St. a couple of years ago.  The Gusties got off to a fast start for a change and had Hamline on the ropes.  But instead of delivering the knockout blow like they should have they allowed Hamline to gradually get back into the game.  That flurry of 3-pointers toward the end of the 1st half had me sensing impending doom for the Gusties and the way the second half was unfolding didn't make me feel any better.  But in crunch time, Jess Vadnais showed why she's the MVP of this conference.  Again, I also thought Emily Nelson was just nails coming down the stretch as well; nailing key points from the charity stripe.  Clearly, though, GAC CANNOT allow all these open 3-point attempts that they are giving up.  Also, post play down low continues to be an area where the Gusties are getting exposed big-time.  As much as I'd love to see GAC in the MIAC Championship game there is no way they will get past UST with the lapses they had last night.

Wow, must have been some game down in N'field last night.  Was anybody there?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 26, 2008, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 26, 2008, 01:26:12 PM
Clearly, though, GAC CANNOT allow all these open 3-point attempts that they are giving up. 

Amen to that. 34 made three's for the Gustie opponents in the last 5 games.

L.A....the up and down nature of the Gusties last night had a lot to do with lineups last night. The freshmen looked like freshmen last night, which is why Haller wisely shortened the bench in the second half last night. I wouldn't be surprised if she does the same tomorrow against UST.

Great game for Vadnais, great second halves by Layman, Radtke and Nelson.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2008, 11:28:52 AM
Nice article in today's Strib about CSB's Danielle Frank.  Definitely worth the read.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2008, 03:24:30 PM
This weeks regional rankings:

West Region
1.  Simpson  19-1  23-2
2.  George Fox  15-2  22-3 
3.  Puget Sound  16-2  21-4
4.  St. Thomas (Minn.)  19-6  19-6
5.  Chapman  15-3  22-3
6.  St. Benedict  19-5  20-5
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 27, 2008, 03:48:46 PM
Should be an interesting night.

The Gusties and Tommies have played two defensive minded struggles this year with the road team winning both times. Vadnais will have to get more open looks tonight that she did in the last game between the two teams if the Gusties are to win. The Tommies have not won an MIAC playoff game since the 2002-03 season. The Gusties have never won a postseason game of any kind (MIAC or NCAA) on the road (0-9).

A couple of days ago I thought Carleton would have a good chance to knock off St. Ben's tonight, but if Sarah Lincoln's injured ankle keeps her out of tonight's game like it did in the second half of the Concordia game, then I don't think the Knights have much of a chance.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 27, 2008, 03:51:27 PM
In case people haven't heard, there's a big game tonight pitting the two most probable MVP candidates against each other. Anyone care for a closer look? :)

A Closer Look
• GAC has closed the year by winning 6 of 7 games, including an impressive win on the road at The Shoe. Four players scored in double figures last game, suggesting the clunker against the Carlies is well in the rearview.
• Vadnais has averaged 21 PPG over that span and shot 41%, raising her season totals fairly significantly.
• Vadnais has failed to reach double figures only 4 times this season. Two came against UST.
• In the two games between GAC and UST — which were won by the road team both times — Vadnais has shot a mindnumbing 5-27 (18%) and is averaging 7 PPG — 12 below her average — while being guarded mostly by Katch.
• Vadnais averages 6.5 FT attempts per game and shoots them at a tremendous clip, often bolstering her point total with easy points on "off" nights from the floor. However, she's shot just 4 total against UST.
• In addition to not scoring, Vadnais has managed only four assists against the Tommies this year.
• Katch is averaging 15 PPG, 8.5 RPG and 4.5 APG against GAC while Embree has added 14 PPG and 5.5 RPG.

Lingering Questions
1. Can Katch continue her role as the unproclaimed Vadnais Stopper? (Maybe)
2. Vadnais took two horrible shots in the final minute that almost blew the game against UST last time. Can she be satisfied in a distributor role? And can the Gusties win *again* if that's all they get from her? (Doubtful and probably not)
3. If the little lefty is held in check, who will step up for the Gusties? (Nelson and/or Mathiowetz)
4. Can Layman handle Embree? (Hopefully)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on February 27, 2008, 05:23:40 PM
CSB v. Carleton thoughts....


-Frank vs. Okenberg...Can Frank match Okenbergs offensive output or at least hold Okenberg down a bit?

- 3 point shooting....CSB will need to make some shots early and often

- turnovers... Carleton needs to eliminate their turnovers to have a chance.

-  Sarah Lincoln... how effective can she be on her injured ankle?

Should be a good game... CSB by 10 setting up a big game on saturday.


Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 27, 2008, 11:25:55 PM
This Blazer fan is bummed after looking up the results from tonight's game.  Danielle Frank was listed as playing only 9 minutes, and somehow managed to pick up 4 fouls.  I assume having her out for most of the game led directly to Oken-Berg scoring 23 (although with only 2 free throws attempted, which doesn't make sense). 

Without having heard a peep from anybody who saw the game, the 4-point loss seems to be explained pretty clearly despite four Blazers in double figures.  I'd be curious to get some input on whether Franks fouls were earned due to aggressive drives by Carleton, or whether the often-suspicious coaching staff for the Knights may have unduly influenced the officials in key situations. (not that they would ever even attempt that, of course)

The question, of course, is how CSB builds for next year after two disappointing losses to end the season.  Hopefully these last two will be motivation for the returning players.  With the split MIAC title and a loss at home in the conference semis, I have a hard time believing that my favorite DIII squad has much of a chance of an NCAA bid.

If this is it for the seniors, my proverbial hat is off to Mackenzie O'Neil and Judy Falvey, who both turned in very solid senior seasons!

Good luck to my two most hated MIAC squads on Saturday, may the less-despicable team win (whichever that is).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on February 27, 2008, 11:41:41 PM
Frank's fouls came from a combination of a lot of compaining by Okenberg and just some pour calls.  1 over the back foul that wasn't even close...and 2 clean blocks that were called fouls for some awful reason.  However, these calls definitely didn't change the outcome too much.

Carleton had a great game plan and ran it to perfection.  Okenberg was outstanding especially without having much defense against her.  After seeing the tommies saturday and carelton tonight I think that the tommies will have no problem on saturday. 

Good luck to both teams in the next round.  They are two tough teams. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 27, 2008, 11:43:41 PM
Too much Carrie Embree tonight.

Sad to see the Monahan/Vadnais era come to end for Gustie fans. The last 5 years have been fun to watch.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 28, 2008, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 27, 2008, 11:25:55 PM
This Blazer fan is bummed after looking up the results from tonight's game.  Danielle Frank was listed as playing only 9 minutes, and somehow managed to pick up 4 fouls.  I assume having her out for most of the game led directly to Oken-Berg scoring 23 (although with only 2 free throws attempted, which doesn't make sense). 

Without having heard a peep from anybody who saw the game, the 4-point loss seems to be explained pretty clearly despite four Blazers in double figures.  I'd be curious to get some input on whether Franks fouls were earned due to aggressive drives by Carleton, or whether the often-suspicious coaching staff for the Knights may have unduly influenced the officials in key situations. (not that they would ever even attempt that, of course)


Aren't you a little quick looking for an excuse for the loss?  You look at a box score and immediately question the officiating.  It was a home game for the Bennies so they didn't get homered. 

Seems to me that PRF may have done a pretty accurate pre-game analysis:

Quote-Frank vs. Okenberg...Can Frank match Okenbergs offensive output or at least hold Okenberg down a bit?

- 3 point shooting....CSB will need to make some shots early and often

- turnovers... Carleton needs to eliminate their turnovers to have a chance.

-  Sarah Lincoln... how effective can she be on her injured ankle?

- Frank couldn't match Oken-Berg.  Perhaps, Oken-Berg's experience had something to do with that - a junior matched up against a first year.  Oken-Berg picked up her 3rd foul with 5:43 to go in the first half so she sat for the remainder of the half.  She was then able to play 18 minutes of the second half without picking up any more fouls.

- St. Ben's 3 point shooting was off.  They shot 28.6% for the game and they were only 3-13 in the first half so they didn't hit many early.

- Carleton had only 11 turnovers.  Without looking, I'll bet that is a season low for the Knights.  This is the area that I think has been Carleton's achilles heel all year.

- Lincoln didn't play, but others stepped up.

I think PRF pretty much called it.  Carleton hit on 3 of the 4 keys mentioned and they won.  Apparently, the Knights had a good game plan and they executed it.  Remember, they had all their players back from last year and they beat the Bennies once before this year.  Unfortunately, they have underperformed this season.  Will they put it all together and go on a roll?  I hope so, but I rather doubt it.  They were, however, good for a least one game.  St. Ben's has had a fine season.  Hopefully, it won't end and they'll get an at large bid.  If any team in the league has a chance at one, it would be the Bennies.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on February 28, 2008, 02:05:30 PM
Sorry Nites, my post wasn't intended to be an excuse for the loss.  In fact, my jab at the officiating was based on past seasons of steady inconsistency, not an assumption that Frank was necessarily singled out.  I will be the first to agree that Carleton has a talented team and that Oken-Berg is the top offensive center in the conference.  My main point wasn't that officiating on Frank caused the outcome of the game, more that having your starting center on the bench for over 3/4 of the game (for any reason) is a major factor in a 4-point loss.

Interesting, however, that PRF "anticipated 3 of 4 pre-game factors" correctly before the game, but then also stated the opinion that 3 of Frank's 4 fouls were iffy calls.  Isn't it hard to both credit and discredit the same poster for his/her comments about the same game?   ??? 

Either way, as much as I would love to see the Blazers get an at-large bid, the inconsistency of the MIAC this year and the relatively low regional rankings for both UST and CSB leads me to believe that the only way we'll have two teams in the tournament is if Carleton wins on Saturday and UST gets an at-large bid for having been conference co-champions and making the playoff final.

I'll still check the brackets on Sunday, regardless of the UST-Carleton outcome (I'm guessing the Tommies will be too much for the Knights), and I'll be guardedly hopeful for a slim chance at a Blazer bid.  Here's hoping I'm happily surprised...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on February 28, 2008, 02:34:45 PM
CM -

The Bennies struggled a bit early in the year as they tried to figure out everyone's roles and as they learned how to adjust went Tauer was out for a while.  Their non-conference losses were to relatively mediocore teams (but certainly not cellar dwellers), but all of their conference losses were to playoff teams.  The Tommies, on the other hand, suffered a couple of losses to nationally ranked teams, but then they got beat twice during the conference season by struggling teams.  That may have really hurt their regional ranking.

I hope the Bennies snag a tourney berth as they have had a good year.  You're right that the Tommies may have the upper hand on a spot if they lose because they made it to the final and they were slightly ahead of CSB in the last regional ranking.  If the Tommies lose the title game, I doubt the MIAC would get 3 teams in the tourney.  Thus, the best hope for CSB is a Tommie victory in the final.

Oken-Berg has underperformed most of the year, but she appears to be picking her game up down the stretch.  Although the Knights have been inconsistent this year, I have a hunch that they are going to beat UST.  I base that solely on the fact that it is very difficult to beat a team 3 times in a single season, especially when the other team has a coach that historically has shown the ability to make strategic adjustments to her team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on February 28, 2008, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on February 28, 2008, 02:05:30 PM

Interesting, however, that PRF "anticipated 3 of 4 pre-game factors" correctly before the game, but then also stated the opinion that 3 of Frank's 4 fouls were iffy calls.  Isn't it hard to both credit and discredit the same poster for his/her comments about the same game?   ??? 


Even if I thought the fouls were "iffy"  my "pre-game factor" is still accurate.  I felt that Okenberg-Frank would be a big factor in the game  (not really going out on a limb by making that assumption)  It ended up being a HUGE factor.  The iffy calls are just a partial reason as to why this "pre game factor" was won so handily by okenberg.

Fact:  Okenberg v. Frank was a huge factor

Fact:  Frank played 9 minutes

Opinion:  Poor calls were part of the lopsidedness of this matchup.  


How does that not make sense?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 28, 2008, 05:37:33 PM
Hmmm...I was having 'net problems and my post last night doesn't seem to have made it here. I'll try it again.

UST shoots 57%, outrebounds GAC 37-22, holds the Gusties to one FG over the last 8:30, dropped 24 dimes...and still needed a 17-2 run at the end to clinch the game?

Sounds like GAC was scrappy and willing but not quite talented enough this year. I'll go out on a limb and say that scoring could be a minor problem for the Gusties next season.

When was the last time a triple double was recorded by a MIAC player? Katch has been close lots of times this year.

Lingering Questions With Revised Answers
1. Can Katch continue her role as the unproclaimed Vadnais Stopper? (Kind of)
2. Vadnais took two horrible shots in the final minute that almost blew the game against UST last time. Can she be satisfied in a distributor role? And can the Gusties win *again* if that's all they get from her? (0 assists and a loss)
3. If the little lefty is held in check, who will step up for the Gusties? (No one)
4. Can Layman handle Embree? (No, emphatically)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: budman on February 28, 2008, 07:43:03 PM
Wonka (fustrated jock) , seems to fit.
Can Katch continue her role as the unproclaimed Vadnais stopper (Kind of)     I guess 19pts is stopping her.
Vadnais took two horrible shots in the final minute that almost blew the game last time.---I was at the game and I don't remember two horrible shots, were you there? The games I have watch her play, it seems she has great court sense and has won a few games in her career.
As far as you found something to fault her (which you have done all year) not having 0 assist. It takes two to get one, at least it sure looks that way! Katch has Embree (St. Thomas would not be where they are without her)

When you score 14 of your teams 22, it seems like you may need a little help.  Just to get you up to speed lGAC all time leading scorer. (by 300pts)        And Kodak All-American 1st team
GAC all time 3 Pt
GAC all time steals leader
GAC 4th all time assists
GAC all time free throws
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 29, 2008, 01:33:18 AM
Quote from: budman on February 28, 2008, 07:43:03 PM
Wonka (fustrated jock) , seems to fit.
Can Katch continue her role as the unproclaimed Vadnais stopper (Kind of)     I guess 19pts is stopping her.

I wasn't at the game, but 19 points on 18 shots, 33% shooting and 0 assists is holding someone in check in my book. If it makes you feel any better, I also lost a bet when GAC lost this game.

Quote from: budman on February 28, 2008, 07:43:03 PM
Vadnais took two horrible shots in the final minute that almost blew the game last time.---I was at the game and I don't remember two horrible shots, were you there? The games I have watch her play, it seems she has great court sense and has won a few games in her career.

I never questioned her general court sense or said she lost games for GAC. But this *did* happen and we almost lost gacbacker to back-to-back heart attacks when it did. Feel free to consult the tapes for confirmation of his hysterics and Wonka's attendance. I believe you even ignored my friendly smile when you took your seat that night.

The play-by-play pastes in too weird to put here and I was a little off — the first of three shots came with 1:46 left — but it's definitely there for all to see.

Quote from: budman on February 28, 2008, 07:43:03 PM
As far as you found something to fault her (which you have done all year) not having 0 assist. It takes two to get one, at least it sure looks that way! Katch has Embree (St. Thomas would not be where they are without her)

4 assists in 99 minutes against UST speaks for itself.

Katch and Embree certainly make each other better and are the reasons, plural, why UST is still playing. As has been noted ad nauseum, I simply prefer Katch's all-around game to that of Embree or Vadnais this season — though you could make strong MVP arguments for all three without much difficulty.

Quote from: budman on February 28, 2008, 07:43:03 PM
When you score 14 of your teams 22, it seems like you may need a little help.  Just to get you up to speed lGAC all time leading scorer. (by 300pts)        And Kodak All-American 1st team
GAC all time 3 Pt
GAC all time steals leader
GAC 4th all time assists
GAC all time free throws

Ooooh, I like this game. Can I play, too?

GAC all time most shots missed
*GAC all time most airballs (game/season/career)
*GAC all time turnovers
GAC all time leading scorer...by 296. Hey, picking nits is picking nits, right? :-*
      * denotes unofficial scoring done by Wonka in his free time and may not reflect reality

Budman, she's a great player who's had a tremendous career. My backing someone else in the MVP race has nothing to do with the personal vendetta and lingering animosity of which you've accused me. Based on a number of different factors, I simply think Katch brought more to the table this season. I'm sure some coaches will agree with me and already know some who don't, but I'm certainly not going to cry if my pick doesn't win — and I hope you're capable of doing the same.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 01, 2008, 04:06:00 PM
PRF- I was giving you credit, no need to defend yourself.  I was just saying that it's strange how Nites gave you credit for your pre-game predictions, then turned around and ignored what you had to say about Frank's fouls, as if you were totally right and totally wrong at the same time.  Don't worry, I'm on your side.

Any game updates or predictions for today?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: tommycorn on March 01, 2008, 08:43:10 PM
what a game today at schoenecker, it was a hard fought battle by both squads, it was particularly entertaining watching isler and porter-wooz battle it out off the ball.  both teams did some really good things during game,

it was sad though that an obvious blunder on the reffing crew will taint a great game.  In the closing seconds of overtime with the clockshot running down, carleton put up an obvious air ball, but the refs did not blow the whistle, carleton rebounded the basketball after the tommies stopped playing because of the violation.  obviously you have to play til you hear a whistle, i just can't believe a call that big could be missed in such a critical moment of such a critical game for both teams,

hats off to both teams, it was a really enjoyable team, and congratulations to coach sinn for putting the tommies back on the map:)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2008, 10:59:29 PM
Definitely got my money's worth over at Schoenecker today and this game featured some roller coaster highs and lows for both teams.  Carleton started out fast and the Tommies looked a little shell-shocked at first but eventually they were able to settle down and get their game going.  For awhile there in the first half UST was just blistering hot from the perimeter; one trey that Becky Theisen put up was from wayyyy downtown.  Things looked good for UST at the half but Carleton gradually cut into the Tommie lead as the 2nd half progressed and the zone defense the Knights employed simply made life miserable for the Tommies from an offensive standpoint.  Unfortunately for UST, Katch was simply horrible shooting the ball today; particularly in the 2nd half and neither Wirtz or Porter-Wrzos could pick up the slack when they needed to. 

I hate to bring up the officiating but unfortunately the achilles heel of this conference reared its ugly head at the worst possible time for UST giving Carleton a freebie deuce.  Still, I've got to give a lot of credit to Carleton and TM-F.  They've been in this position so many times before and TM-F has an uncanny knack for winning these types of games.  They've done it the hard way before and succeeded and today they did it again. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: nkwest on March 01, 2008, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 01, 2008, 10:59:29 PMFor awhile there in the first half UST was just blistering hot from the perimeter; one trey that Becky Theisen put up was from wayyyy downtown.

Anna Swanson hit that, actually.  By far the longest squared-up (can't call it non-desperation; the shot clock was running out) three I've seen hit in MIAC women's play.  It's really too bad that injuries and illness limited her minutes this season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 02, 2008, 12:24:12 AM
Quote from: nkwest on March 01, 2008, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 01, 2008, 10:59:29 PMFor awhile there in the first half UST was just blistering hot from the perimeter; one trey that Becky Theisen put up was from wayyyy downtown.

Anna Swanson hit that, actually.  By far the longest squared-up (can't call it non-desperation; the shot clock was running out) three I've seen hit in MIAC women's play.  It's really too bad that injuries and illness limited her minutes this season.

I stand corrected.  Still, man that was a LONG way out!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on March 02, 2008, 10:00:12 AM
Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the great game between St Thomas and Carlton due to work. I did listen to the broadcast however, and have a question. Why would an official blow a whistle because a shot was an airball, unless it ultimately went out of bounds. If the shot clock runs down the buzzer will sound, which ends the possession, not a whistle. I understand the shot clock did ultimately sound. The question was when?

What the announcers described was that Oken-Berg caught the airball and immediately put the ball back up and it hit the rim before the shot clock buzzer. This should have immediately reset the shot clock. Either the action was too fast, or the person with the shot clock button was not alert to the reset. After the ball hit the rim and was rebounded by Oken-Berg, Carlton had 30 more seconds. Oken-Berg shot again (during the new 30 seconds) and made the shot.

Apparently, after much discussion, this is what the three officials agreed had happened, and awarded Oken-Bergs basket. The above event, if it happened as stated, would be, in my estimation, a correct determination and score for Carlton.

The whole key is the timing of the first ball put up that hit the rim. Did it hit the rim before the buzzer? Did it hot the top or side of the rim, or did it hit the bottom? There are five or six determining factors in this play. A very difficult call. that has to be made instantly.

   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: nkwest on March 02, 2008, 10:35:38 AM
Quote from: gacunk on March 02, 2008, 10:00:12 AMIf the shot clock runs down the buzzer will sound, which ends the possession, not a whistle.

To the contrary, the referees will always blow the whistle when the shot clock runs out.  It's the whistle, not the buzzer, that ends the possession.  I've never seen it handled any other way.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 12:43:33 PM
D3 hoops is projecting St. Thomas in.  However, they are projecting that they are the last team in.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 09:43:11 PM
WOW, both GAC and St. Thomas are in!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 02, 2008, 10:13:15 PM
HOLY SH**!!!! 

GAC got in!  :o :o :o

Congrats to UST for getting in as well!

OK, MIAC....You've got three teams in.  Now let's freakin' do something!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 10:23:04 PM
Still a head-scratcher for me on how GAC got in.

Good for them though.  I'm a WIAC fan, but follow the MIAC also.  It was a good night for both as 3 teams from each conference are in.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 02, 2008, 10:25:09 PM
Holy crap. What the heck?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on March 02, 2008, 10:28:44 PM
Im betting there is some serious anger/hostility in St Joe & Collegeville tonight. WOW
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 02, 2008, 10:35:41 PM
Quote from: miacmaniac on March 02, 2008, 10:28:44 PM
Im betting there is some serious anger/hostility in St Joe & Collegeville tonight. WOW

Undoubtedly.  And perhaps rightfully so.  As happy as I am for GAC (and glad UST got in, too) the first thought that flashed through my head was how did CSB get screwed out of this - again?  To be honest, as much as I hated it I had pretty much accepted that the Vadnais era at GAC was over and it was time to think about next year.  So yeah, as happy as I am with GAC getting the invite I'm shocked, too and I know the CSB people must REALLY be seeing red right about now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 10:40:36 PM
Quote from: miacmaniac on March 02, 2008, 10:28:44 PM
Im betting there is some serious anger/hostility in St Joe & Collegeville tonight. WOW

Exactly!  The NCAA must have put a lot of weight into OWP.  GAC was at .541 and St. Bens was at .503.  GAC fans will have to applaud their coach in deciding to play in that Surf N Slam tournament in which they played 3 good teams (although they went 1-2).  I'm sure that victory over UWEC in that tournament also helped greatly.

Still though, getting in with a regional record of 18-9.  ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 02, 2008, 10:41:18 PM
GAC's strong non-conference games in the tournament out in San Diego must have really been a deciding factor for the committee. The win over Eau Claire?!?!? They had four quality wins I guess, including three against tournament teams.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 10:48:12 PM
Where does everyone think the MIAC teams will travel to?  My guess is that GAC and Carleton will go to Simpson and St. Thomas will go to Point.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 02, 2008, 11:02:26 PM
That's not a bad bet......I'm guessing it's a unlikely that either UST or Carleton would host so Simpson will probably get the honors.  Hard telling where the third MIAC team will get sent; either over to Point or out to Puget Sound.

I'm not sure what OWP is but no doubt that GAC's win over UW-Eau Claire out in San Diego was huge.  Ironically enough they probably could have snared a couple of more wins out there.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on March 02, 2008, 11:05:49 PM
I had come to terms with UST getting an at-large berth over my Blazers but if I think it is truly criminal that a third team was taken from the MIAC and it was not CSB...

I'm sure GAC is thrilled (and this is not really meant as a rip on them as they had nothing to with the selections) but maybe next year CSB can go 17-7 in the region (GAC's real region record since UWEC, Maryville, and Carroll are NOT region), finish 18-9 overall, not win a conference title, be the #3 seed in the conference tournament, lose in the semifinals of the conference tournament, lose to Augsburg and St. Catherine in the regular season and still get an at-large berth.  It is hard to swallow that three non-conference, non-region games at a tournament early in the season completely wipes out the body of work in a 22-game conference regular season...

I wish the three MIAC teams well in the tourney.  Too bad the regular season conference co-champs can't be there with you...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 02, 2008, 11:18:47 PM
I'd normally post a "sour grapes" response to blazerball, but even I (gasp) feel a little bad for the Blazers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on March 02, 2008, 11:29:14 PM
Gacbacker...I really mean no ill will to GAC or any other MIAC team selected.  I am very happy three MIAC team were selected...we know the MIAC plays good basketball.  But, it is just galling that the body of work over the conference regular season was basically ignored and the conference co-champ was left home when they had a better region record, conference record, and overall record.  If GAC had swept CSB I could maybe see the snub but they split and CSB actually had the better season (again, not a swipe at GAC)...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 02, 2008, 11:32:33 PM
I can't argue with any of that. It's a shocker no doubt.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2008, 12:54:38 AM
Not surprisingly, I side with blazerball on this one.  I can't believe the MIAC got more than two teams in the big dance, and (no offense whatsoever to a very solid Gusties squad), it's a traveshamockery that the conference co-champs are left at home for all the reasons already stated.  I wish I had more words, but they'd all be profane right now, and I'm in some weird form of shock.

Good luck to the MIAC squads still lacing up the sneaks next week, lets get at least a win or two out of the National joke this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 01:13:35 AM
Quote from: blazerball on March 02, 2008, 11:05:49 PM
I had come to terms with UST getting an at-large berth over my Blazers but if I think it is truly criminal that a third team was taken from the MIAC and it was not CSB...

I'm sure GAC is thrilled (and this is not really meant as a rip on them as they had nothing to with the selections) but maybe next year CSB can go 17-7 in the region (GAC's real region record since UWEC, Maryville, and Carroll are NOT region), finish 18-9 overall, not win a conference title, be the #3 seed in the conference tournament, lose in the semifinals of the conference tournament, lose to Augsburg and St. Catherine in the regular season and still get an at-large berth.  It is hard to swallow that three non-conference, non-region games at a tournament early in the season completely wipes out the body of work in a 22-game conference regular season...
Except that the rules did change in 2006...

and Wartburg counted this year, and Fontbonne lost on Saturday in the SLIAC finals...

GAC also knocked out Hardin-Simmons, too.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacunk on March 03, 2008, 01:28:51 AM
Hey Willy Wonka - Vadness and the Gusties UNO MAS VEZ!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2008, 07:52:44 AM
Blazerball, CM.....

I hear ya.  No doubt you're upset and disappointed.  And I think you have every right to be.  If somebody would have told me last night around 8 P.M. or so that this was how it was going to turn out I would have asked him what he/she was smokin'.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 08:22:07 AM
Quote from: blazerball on March 02, 2008, 11:05:49 PM

I'm sure GAC is thrilled (and this is not really meant as a rip on them as they had nothing to with the selections) but maybe next year CSB can go 17-7 in the region (GAC's real region record since UWEC, Maryville, and Carroll are NOT region), finish 18-9 overall, not win a conference title, be the #3 seed in the conference tournament, lose in the semifinals of the conference tournament, lose to Augsburg and St. Catherine in the regular season and still get an at-large berth.  It is hard to swallow that three non-conference, non-region games at a tournament early in the season completely wipes out the body of work in a 22-game conference regular season...


UWEC, Maryville and Carroll are not in the West region but they are in the same administrative region as GAC (so they count as in-region games).  They started this last season, I believe.  The adm. region pretty much extends from WI out to the west coast and down south.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2007 on March 03, 2008, 08:49:18 AM
In shock for the way this shook out for my blazers....

I have always put more stock in a strong schedule than easy wins...Gustavus definitley had this with their early season tourney.  The loss for CSB to Wartburg is what really stands out for CSB....This is a very young team with loads of players ready and willing to step in next year.  Congrats to the 3 miac teams!!  Let's go out and show the WIAC what's up.

CSB probable starting lineup next year

F-  Frank
F- Tauer
G- Carter
G- Schmidt
G-.... Bowlin(best high school player I have ever seen!  Had to sit out this year with a knee injury), Also, 4 or 5 freshmen from this year that will contribute major minutes.  If there are any incoming freshmen next year they will have to be pretty good to work themselves into this lineup.

I have a hard time seeing this team losing more than 3 games next year.  They will win the games that they didn't this year. 


Once again... Tough pill to swallow w/ the Blazers out, but it's tough for me to get upset too much as long as these teams represent the conference well!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 03, 2008, 09:05:36 AM
A shocker that the MIAC got three teams in when none of the league's teams were even ranked this year. 

A double shocker that CSB wasn't one of those teams, especially considering the fact that they were the regular season champs and I think they were the best team in the conference.

My hunch that Carleton would nip the Tommies proved to be correct.  Let's hope all 3 MIAC teams win at least one game in the tournament.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 03, 2008, 09:15:00 AM
Gusties not going to Stevens Point, which likely means a trip to Simpson...I wouldn't be surprised if the Gusties played the hosts actually, with Eau Claire there as well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:22:51 AM
GAC plays Simpson.  Carleton plays UWEC.  Games at Simpson

Good prediction gacbacker!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 03, 2008, 10:55:47 AM
Wow. I wonder if Mickey even had the girls still practicing...

I'd love to see an angry column from Frank the Tank where Durbin gives some fuming quotes in tomorrow's Times. They'd be completely justified.

Is this one worse than 2002-03 when CSB went 24-3, tied for the title and got snubbed?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 03, 2008, 10:55:47 AM
Is this one worse than 2002-03 when CSB went 24-3, tied for the title and got snubbed?

Its not that CSB got snubbed this year (when looking at the national picture).  No one had them close to getting in.  The real shocker here is that GAC got in (which no one had close to getting in, except obviously the NCAA committee).  It does look like CSB may have gotten snubbed "in relation to GAC."  The only reason I can think that GAC got in over St. Bens was the fact that GAC had a higher opponents winning percentage and had a decent record against regionally ranked teams.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2008, 11:30:32 AM
I have a hunch that the minor bump in overall strength of schedule that GAC got for beating Hamline (another above .500 team) last Monday was the kicker that put them ahead of CSB.  If that's the case, it's particularly galling, since GAC played the extra conference tournament game precisely BECAUSE the Blazers were the better team and had the bye.

In any case, the selection process is over and there's nothing to do about it except hope that the MIAC wins some games and makes a national splash again.  Good luck to all whose teams are still playing!

And, in this fan's eyes, NOTHING is more frustrating than the 2003 Blazers squad (with Barlau and Hannon as seniors) not making the tournament after having been ranked in the top 15 all season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 03, 2008, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 03, 2008, 10:55:47 AM
Wow. I wonder if Mickey even had the girls still practicing...

Ahhhh...that would be a NO.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 03, 2008, 10:55:47 AM

I'd love to see an angry column from Frank the Tank where Durbin gives some fuming quotes in tomorrow's Times. They'd be completely justified.


Not quite an angry column, but a story nonetheless...

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080303/SPORTS/103030056/1002

And I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the conference coaches meeting today and hear a convo between Durbin and Haller. Hehe.  ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 03, 2008, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2008, 11:30:32 AM
I have a hunch that the minor bump in overall strength of schedule that GAC got for beating Hamline (another above .500 team) last Monday was the kicker that put them ahead of CSB.  If that's the case, it's particularly galling, since GAC played the extra conference tournament game precisely BECAUSE the Blazers were the better team and had the bye.

In any case, the selection process is over and there's nothing to do about it except hope that the MIAC wins some games and makes a national splash again.  Good luck to all whose teams are still playing!

And, in this fan's eyes, NOTHING is more frustrating than the 2003 Blazers squad (with Barlau and Hannon as seniors) not making the tournament after having been ranked in the top 15 all season.

I don't think the Hamline victory played any part in the Gusties getting in. Clearly its the win over Eau Claire -- a tournament team -- wins over St. Thomas and Carleton -- both tournament teams -- and a close loss to Maryville -- a tournament team.

From what I recall, the reason that great '03 Blazers team got snubbed was because the NCAA couldn't justify putting three MIAC teams in the tourney...which obviously wasn't the case this year. That year, they had to take Carleton because they won the conference tournament, and they had to take GAC over St. Ben's because they had identical records but GAC beat St. Ben's 2 out of 3 games that year. St. Ben's might have also been hampered by the fact that arguably their best player was no where near 100% with a broken hand.

The team Blazer fans really need to blame for this year's snub and the '03 snub is Carleton. If Carleton doesn't get the automatic berth both of these years, you could argue that the Blazers are in both times.

By the way, as much as I can't stand watching Metcalf-Filzen's antics on the sidelines, she is one heck of a coach. Hands down the best in the conference in my opinion in getting her team ready for big games and making in-game adjustments in big games. Her MIAC playoff record speaks for itself.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 11:46:41 AM
gacbacker has it correct.  GAC upped its SOS by playing in that holiday tournament in which they played UWEC (20-5), Carroll (18-5) and Maryville (19-3) (regional records listed). 

By GAC playing Hamline in the 1st round, actually hurt the SOS for GAC in comparison to St. Bens, who started out playing a team with a better record in their first game of the MIAC tourney.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 03, 2008, 11:48:48 AM
I think we should solve this by allowing GAC to pick up Schmidt, Frank and Falvey for the tournament.   :o
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 01:07:34 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 03, 2008, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 03, 2008, 10:55:47 AM
Wow. I wonder if Mickey even had the girls still practicing...

Ahhhh...that would be a NO.


At least they don't play until Friday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2008, 02:20:11 PM
WHERE do you find the freakin' brackets at? ??? ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: nkwest on March 03, 2008, 07:38:07 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 03, 2008, 02:20:11 PM
WHERE do you find the freakin' brackets at? ??? ???

http://www.ncaa.com/uploadedFiles/Sports/Basketball_(W)/2008%20bracket%20Final%20(2).pdf
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 03, 2008, 08:16:49 PM
gacbacker- although you're mostly right, I would edit a few things you said.  In 2003, Michelle Barlau was the best player on the team AND the conference player of the year, although Hannon's broken hand was certainly a big factor at the end.  Also, there were actually tri-champions in the conference that year, so leaving out one of the three made no sense whatsoever, especially in light of the three teams picked this year in what is arguably a weaker conference than it was in 2003.

And, for the record, as much as I don't like Carleton's coach, I don't blame them for CSB not making the dance this year.  Clearly, if the Blazers had either A) beat UST in the season finale (a game they seemed to have wrapped up until they went cold at the end) or B) beat Carleton in the conference tournament, then I'm confident they would be practicing right now.  Basically, when an organization like the NCAA has bizarre and inexplicable variations for things like the BCS in DI football and the DII and DIII playoffs, the only guarantee in life is winning your conference's automatic bid.  The Blazers didn't do that, so I was already expecting the NCAA "snub" if you call it that. 

   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: renaisscoach on March 04, 2008, 03:45:26 PM
CM, CM, CM---don't know what you've got against one of the best coached in D3 ball..??.. I guess that's what happens when your team gets beaten toooo often by her teams. Coach DandyDurby's a good guy even if he did beat my Knights several times!!!

And to think St. Ben's is a religious institution and this is on of the most sacred of seasons......The shame of it!!!!!:) Repent!!

Been awhile but this old geezer couldn't resist one shot at ya!!!!:)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 04, 2008, 10:14:43 PM
Nice try RC.   ;D  I'm heading back to my happy sunny world where my new local teams are both (men and women) rated in the top 10 in DI, and the NCAA can't possibly keep either of them out.  Happy NCAA season to everybody, finals week on The Farm calls me away.

Oh yeah, and LA R, my boys are coming for your number one Pac10 spot on Thursday! 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 05, 2008, 07:47:07 AM
Dream on, CM!  :D

U (clap clap clap) C (clap clap clap) LLLLLLLL (clap clap clap) A

UCLA Fight Fight Fight!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on March 05, 2008, 06:27:30 PM
LA- at least the schools I cheer for have original mascots and fight songs.  Your poor Bruins share a mascot (both bears), fight song, and even TEAM COLORS (blue and gold) with another college in the same state, for crying out loud (Cal, of course).   ;D

In any case, Go MIAC, and (next winter in hoops, as well as continuously in other sports) Go Blazers!

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 06, 2008, 03:15:03 PM
Embree wins the MVP and Falvey named top bench player.

The only other real surprise would seem to be Hamline's Mary Wilkowski being named all-conference. She's the only freshman on the team.

It's not typical for the all-defensive team to have 7, right? Is there any way for us to determine who tied for the final spots?...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 03, 2008, 02:20:11 PM
WHERE do you find the freakin' brackets at? ??? ???

The front page of D3hoops.com. You may have heard of it -- it's a Web site covering Division III basketball.

Quote from: buf on March 03, 2008, 11:21:15 AM
Its not that CSB got snubbed this year (when looking at the national picture).  No one had them close to getting in.  The real shocker here is that GAC got in (which no one had close to getting in, except obviously the NCAA committee). 

Gustavus was next on our pecking order from the West Region.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 07, 2008, 08:03:30 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 03, 2008, 02:20:11 PM
WHERE do you find the freakin' brackets at? ??? ???

The front page of D3hoops.com. You may have heard of it -- it's a Web site covering Division III basketball.

Quote from: buf on March 03, 2008, 11:21:15 AM
Its not that CSB got snubbed this year (when looking at the national picture).  No one had them close to getting in.  The real shocker here is that GAC got in (which no one had close to getting in, except obviously the NCAA committee). 

Gustavus was next on our pecking order from the West Region.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Seriously, though, I did find them the following morning on the front page of the site. :)

OK guys, it's game day.  Any chance one of the MIAC reps can do some damage on the road tonight?
Here's hoping the Gusties are the ones to do it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 12:38:45 PM
I would say Carleton probably has the best chance (vs. EC).  EC usually does not play the best on the road.  Ironically, their best road game was at Carleton earlier this season.  The two things Carleton has going for them is that it seems they are peaking at the right time (road victories against the top 3 MIAC teams in the last two weeks) and they seem like they almost play better on the road than they do at home.  However, with that being said, I would have to say that EC is the favorite.  I am expecting a close game with EC winning by about 6.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 07, 2008, 02:50:05 PM
Quote from: buf on March 07, 2008, 12:38:45 PM
I would say Carleton probably has the best chance (vs. EC).  EC usually does not play the best on the road.  Ironically, their best road game was at Carleton earlier this season.  The two things Carleton has going for them is that it seems they are peaking at the right time (road victories against the top 3 MIAC teams in the last two weeks) and they seem like they almost play better on the road than they do at home.  However, with that being said, I would have to say that EC is the favorite.  I am expecting a close game with EC winning by about 6.

I agree that EC probably wins, although I expect the Knights to have a very good game plan against the Blue Gold since they know where they came up short earlier in the year.

I hope Carleton is peaking.  I think they underachieved, a sentiment that probably is bolstered by the fact that they were the only team with at least 3 players on the 15-person All-MIAC team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:28:54 PM
Carleton up 25 20 4min

There is a video feed.  Look at the front page, right side for the link.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 07, 2008, 06:35:25 PM
Bluegold went on a run to close the half and lead 29-25.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:56:31 PM
EC up 35-25 16min

Carleton hasn't scored in 9min
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on March 07, 2008, 07:01:03 PM
EC has solved the match up zone and their hustling on defense.  They appear to be more athletic and better shooters than the Knights and it looks like they are going to run away with it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:06:11 PM
EC up 45-37 11min
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:13:39 PM
EC up 48-40 over Carleton 8min
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:18:27 PM
EC up 50-43 6:30
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:27:12 PM
EC up 55-47 3:41left

Carleton had cut the lead to 3 and had the ball
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:34:37 PM
EC wins 61-52 over Carleton.

Thank you to the Carleton people who were involved with the video feed.  You did a good job!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:56:41 PM
Chicago 46
UST 33
18min
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 08:28:39 PM
Chicago up 62-56 with 1min left
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 08:41:43 PM
Chicago wins 62-59 over UST.  Good effort by UST against a tough Chicago team
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:13:25 PM
After trailing 34-17 at the half, GAC has cut the deficit to 6.  Time?  Im guessing 13min
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:15:18 PM
now down to 4, 40-36, 12min
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:24:15 PM
Now down to 2
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:36:35 PM
Gusties down 12 with 4min left
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:48:18 PM
GAC loses, 73-64.

MIAC 0-3
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: carletonsid on March 07, 2008, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:34:37 PM
EC wins 61-52 over Carleton.

Thank you to the Carleton people who were involved with the video feed.  You did a good job!

You're welcome. We had to rig our own wireless network in Simpson's gym, but glad it worked.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2008, 01:40:28 AM
Seriously -- video on the road is an awesome thing.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 19, 2008, 10:49:20 AM
Wonka, you must be in a deep depression today after Katch was left off the three all-region teams. Oh that's right you don't care about D3hoops.com awards.

Vadnais and Nautsch were first-team. Hageman and Embree were second team. PaStarr was third-team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 20, 2008, 07:55:11 AM
Congrats to all; all well-deserved.

Also good to see the MIAC actually do SOMETHING beyond the regular season - even if it's just the D3 Regional Awards.

(message edited by Dale "Chip" Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez)   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 22, 2008, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 19, 2008, 10:49:20 AM
Wonka, you must be in a deep depression today after Katch was left off the three all-region teams. Oh that's right you don't care about D3hoops.com awards.

Vadnais and Nautsch were first-team. Hageman and Embree were second team. PaStarr was third-team.

What? Bobby Huggins is better than Coach Choke? :-*
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 24, 2008, 07:47:22 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on March 22, 2008, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 19, 2008, 10:49:20 AM
Wonka, you must be in a deep depression today after Katch was left off the three all-region teams. Oh that's right you don't care about D3hoops.com awards.

Vadnais and Nautsch were first-team. Hageman and Embree were second team. PaStarr was third-team.

What? Bobby Huggins is better than Coach Choke? :-*

Doesn't matter.......Nobody's gonna get past my UCLA Bruins anyway.   :D 
Title: Re: MIAC
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Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on October 17, 2008, 02:23:06 PM
Jeez, time to dust off the cobwebs on the once-very active MIAC board.  Where is/was everybody?

In any event, another season of hoops is upon us with practice getting underway a couple of days ago.  So, given the fact that this football season has been rather abysmal for both my Rams and Bruins, I thought I'd offer up my prognostications for the upcoming season.

1.  CSB - By FAR and AWAY these guys.  I just don't see anyone else in the MIAC matching up with them.

After that, then it gets interesting.....

2.  UST - Conference MVP Carrie Embree has now departed but there remains a very solid nucleus with Katch, Wirtz, Gillard, Prioleau, and also Anna Swanson who sat out most of last season.  Throw in some talented newcomers and this team could be almost as good as last year.

3.  Concordia - Even though they lost Melanie Hageman, you have to figure that they'll be in the thick of things.

4.  Carleton - Most everybody but Isler returns. 

5.  GAC - This I think will be something of a rebuilding year for the Gusties who I expect to challenge strong next year for the title.  Losing Vadnais hurts, of course, but this team is still a little green down low and they haven't had a real presence down low since the Kelly Etzel days.  One thing the Gusties do have going for them will be newcomer Molly Geske from Cretin Derham-Hall.  She has the ability to do it all.

6.  Hamline - I think this squad will find a way to get into the playoffs again this year.  The problem with this team is that they can look like world beaters one night and the next night they look like they could be beaten by a team made up of my beer-drinking buddies and yours truly.  VERY inconsistent.

7.  St. Kate's - The Wildcats bid to move into the upper echelon may have had a monkey wrench thrown into it when the two 6' footers from Montana opted out and went somewhere else.  Still, this will be a very dangerous team with a nice blend of veterans and newcomers.

8.  Bethel - I have a hard time seeing this under-achieving team with all the talent they have finding a way to extend their season beyond February.

9.  Macalester - With a spanking brand new venue in which to play in this could be the team to keep your eye on.  They just missed making the playoffs last season and could make a strong push at the end.

10.  St. Olaf

11.  St. Mary's

12.  Augsburg       
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on October 20, 2008, 11:31:39 AM
Quote from: LA RAMS on October 17, 2008, 02:23:06 PM
4.  Carleton - Most everybody but Isler returns. 

Actually L.A. I've heard Isler is back for a fifth year thanks to a medical red shirt.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on October 31, 2008, 10:43:11 AM
St. Benedict back in the top 25.  They should have a big year with all that experience returning.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: OshDude on November 11, 2008, 08:00:05 PM
If anyone's interested in the D-III regional volleyball tournaments, I have a fairly extensive blog (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/) that covers the St. Thomas (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/st-thomas-regional-guide/) (where UST, CCM, GAC and CSB will be) and Oshkosh (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/oshkosh-regional-guide/) regionals. It's not bad in national terms, either. Stop by and tell me what you think.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 14, 2008, 03:42:40 PM
Anyone know what happened to Amber Connor of Carleton?  Did she drop out of school this year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 14, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: Nites on November 14, 2008, 03:42:40 PM
Anyone know what happened to Amber Connor of Carleton?  Did she drop out of school this year?

I heard she transferred to the Univ. of Minn.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 14, 2008, 05:07:48 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 14, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: Nites on November 14, 2008, 03:42:40 PM
Anyone know what happened to Amber Connor of Carleton?  Did she drop out of school this year?

I heard she transferred to the Univ. of Minn.

Thanks.  She started and averaged in double digits so they'll miss her.  How are the Gusties looking this year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: OshDude on November 17, 2008, 12:31:11 AM
Any volleyball fans? I posted on my blog (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/) a Nationals Guide similar to the ones I did for the St. Thomas and Oshkosh regionals. Check it out if you're interested in St. Benedict and/or D-III VB.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 17, 2008, 02:51:39 PM
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Thanks.  She started and averaged in double digits so they'll miss her.  How are the Gusties looking this year?

The Gusties should be solid. I would pick them fourth behind St. Ben's, Carleton and St. Thomas. They have plenty of solid players, the one thing they will be lacking this year though is a #1 go-to scorer. It's been a long time since the Gusties have been lacking that aspect with the likes of Angie Peterson, Bri Monahan and Jess Vadnais. It's going to cost them a few games I think, but they will be right there like they have been throughout the Haller tenure.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: WWWRHH on November 18, 2008, 05:45:33 PM
A Hope fan here....Hope faces Concordia in both team's first game this Friday.  I can not recall facing a MIAC team and am hoping that someone can give us fans some insight as to what type of team we will see.  It looks like the Cobbers (what is a cobber) always find a way to be competitive.

I gather from your web site that the team is guard oriented and not a lot of scoring is expected from the inside this year.  With the depth at guard, should we expect to see a pressing defense and up tempo offense?  Does the team normally employ a man or zone?

There is some height on the roster - will Hope's size influence the rotation or will Concordia hope to alter the Dutch style of play?

I assume the coaches have exchanged film and prepared their own scouting reports (but not shared them with the fans) a little insight to carry us over to Friday should not be viewed as the equivalent of exposing state secrets  ;).

The MIAA board is fairly active so you should be able to get a sense of who and what to expect from the Dutch by skimming the last 20 pages.  In short, Hope plays ten deep, seeks to maintain high intensity, and generally plays man, but has a couple of zones in their arsenal.

On offense, they seek to use their tall, athletic posts to control the middle and open up the both perimeter and create space for the guards to slash to the basket.  I expect that Hope will be one of the tallest lineups you face this year.  The 3 pt. shot may be a little less of a weapon this year than last, but everyone can shoot a jump shot.

Even though "we" lost four starters, we are optimistic heading into the season. 

I know it is a long trip and I assume the team will fly.  However, if any fans make the journey there is a lot to do in Holland this weekend and I think you will enjoy the seasonal festivities.  The DeVos fieldhouse is a great facility (proving that someone does make a profit selling Amway) and you will receive a friendly welcome.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 19, 2008, 01:50:32 PM
WWWRHH,
Not sure what you'll be getting from this Concordia team as they graduated their big gun from last year, Melanie Hageman.  Still, they've always been a disciplined, well-coached team that has always found a way to be in the mix of the MIAC title chase year in and year out and this year should be no different.  Will definitely be interesting to see how they fare against a Hope program that has had a great run over the last few years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 19, 2008, 03:35:27 PM
Four players in double figures last night for Hamline as they pick up the win over St. Olaf in the first conference game of the season. Did anybody else catch this stat line in the box score:

Jamie Erdahl: 1-17 fg, 0-11 on three's and six turnovers. Ouch! She did have nine assists, so we'll give her credit there, but 1-17?!?! As the Ole's would say, Ufda!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on November 20, 2008, 10:13:30 AM
Looking forward to a good year for the Bennies this year....

Top 4 prediction:
1. St. Bens
2. Carleton
3. St. Thomas
4. Hamline

St. Ben's has a lot of experience and depth returning this year. This team is almost 10 players deep.  (Which can help or hurt depending on how they mix)  A very talented sophomore class leads this team.  Look for a new face this year with Devin Bowlin getting quite a bit of time as the year goes on.  She missed almost all of her freshman year with a Knee injury, but showed flashes of her old self in limited minutes against St. Cloud State. 

Frank and Bowlin were rivals in high school (Caledonia and Winona Cotter)  It will be fun to see what those two and the rest of this team can do this year.  They start out playing some tough competition down in Texas this weekend.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: WWWRHH on November 20, 2008, 12:17:54 PM
Thanks for the feedback LA....I suspect we will see contrasting strategies Friday night.  I think it will be good for Hope to play a team with a strong competitive tradition to start off the season.  As the first game for both teams, it may be a little rough around the edges.

If a Concordia fan does not provide a summary, I will try to give a little color for those of you that can not make the trip.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: WWWRHH on November 23, 2008, 03:30:19 PM
Some of the Cobber fans in attendance that know the players better may have more to add, but I will offer some impressions of Concordia's weekend in Michigan.

Concordia is a well coached, solid team.  Friday night's game was the first for both teams and it showed with too many fouls and turnovers,  but there were stretches of good basketball.  Although, I never felt that the Dutch were in danger of letting the game slip away, the Cobbers were never willing to concede and just kept coming back.

In the end the outcome was determined by the Duch's size advantage in the middle.  Hope was able to score on easier shots and force Concordia to shoot from the outside.

That being said, Concordia executed their four guard offense very well.  They moved the ball crisply around the perimeter, made good penetration off the dribble and kicked the ball outside for open shots.  They shot well enough to stay in the game.  On defense they played tough and physical against bigger opponents and kept the rebouding margin very respectable.

On Saturday against one of the second tier teams in the MIAA, Concordia were able to run what was probably closer to their standard offense.  They made good penetration and were able to take the ball all the way to the basket more often to wrap up an easy victory.

From what I saw I suspect your team will have a good season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on November 24, 2008, 04:25:08 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 14, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: Nites on November 14, 2008, 03:42:40 PM
Anyone know what happened to Amber Connor of Carleton?  Did she drop out of school this year?

I heard she transferred to the Univ. of Minn.

Carleton College has a stellar academic reputation, but math must be the school's Achilles heel.  According to the season preview on the Knights website:

"Carleton returns its top six scorers from that squad and a strong senior class will determine how far this year's team can go."

That's a hard feat to accomplish if Amber Connor didn't return since she was the third leading scorer on last year's team.  I also just noticed that Anna Biewen (who started 28 games last year) is not on this year's roster.  Any info on why she is MIA?

34 Hannah Oken-Berg.... 29-29  26.9  .511  .000  .733  5.8  1.1   9  22  12.5
55 Sarah Lincoln....... 28-27  27.4  .477  .310  .708  6.5  1.7  30  20  10.1
03 Amber Connor........ 28-27  27.9  .408  .333  .629  3.0  1.5  18   5  10.1
12 Annie Isler......... 29-29  26.9  .460  .286  .786  5.0  3.4  60   3   8.5
20 Ally Weaver......... 29-0   23.1  .404  .352  .857  1.5  1.1  28   3   7.0
50 Sarah Kunelius...... 29-0   18.9  .329  .298  .816  4.7  0.7  12   1   6.1
11 Anna Biewen......... 28-28  23.0  .353  .000  .585  2.3  1.5  17   1   5.2
30 Megan Mileusnic..... 29-4   21.5  .450  .300  .796  4.1  1.1  16   1   4.9
10 Liz Baumgartner..... 23-0    9.0  .200  .190  .889  1.1  0.4   7   0   1.5
22 Mollie Feldman......  5-0    3.6  .250  .000  .625  0.4  0.0   3   0   1.4
24 Joy Esboldt.........  7-1    4.4  .250  .000  .667  0.3  0.1   2   0   1.1
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 28, 2008, 08:40:59 PM
Gusties win their opener 79-64 over Austin College in Texas. Katie Layman with 28 points and 8 boards to lead the way.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 29, 2008, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Nites on November 24, 2008, 04:25:08 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 14, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: Nites on November 14, 2008, 03:42:40 PM
Anyone know what happened to Amber Connor of Carleton?  Did she drop out of school this year?

I heard she transferred to the Univ. of Minn.

Carleton College has a stellar academic reputation, but math must be the school's Achilles heel.  According to the season preview on the Knights website:

"Carleton returns its top six scorers from that squad and a strong senior class will determine how far this year's team can go."

That's a hard feat to accomplish if Amber Connor didn't return since she was the third leading scorer on last year's team.  I also just noticed that Anna Biewen (who started 28 games last year) is not on this year's roster.  Any info on why she is MIA?

34 Hannah Oken-Berg.... 29-29  26.9  .511  .000  .733  5.8  1.1   9  22  12.5
55 Sarah Lincoln....... 28-27  27.4  .477  .310  .708  6.5  1.7  30  20  10.1
03 Amber Connor........ 28-27  27.9  .408  .333  .629  3.0  1.5  18   5  10.1
12 Annie Isler......... 29-29  26.9  .460  .286  .786  5.0  3.4  60   3   8.5
20 Ally Weaver......... 29-0   23.1  .404  .352  .857  1.5  1.1  28   3   7.0
50 Sarah Kunelius...... 29-0   18.9  .329  .298  .816  4.7  0.7  12   1   6.1
11 Anna Biewen......... 28-28  23.0  .353  .000  .585  2.3  1.5  17   1   5.2
30 Megan Mileusnic..... 29-4   21.5  .450  .300  .796  4.1  1.1  16   1   4.9
10 Liz Baumgartner..... 23-0    9.0  .200  .190  .889  1.1  0.4   7   0   1.5
22 Mollie Feldman......  5-0    3.6  .250  .000  .625  0.4  0.0   3   0   1.4
24 Joy Esboldt.........  7-1    4.4  .250  .000  .667  0.3  0.1   2   0   1.1

Either Connor was leaving or Oken-Berg.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 30, 2008, 02:27:14 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on November 29, 2008, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Nites on November 24, 2008, 04:25:08 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 14, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: Nites on November 14, 2008, 03:42:40 PM
Anyone know what happened to Amber Connor of Carleton?  Did she drop out of school this year?

I heard she transferred to the Univ. of Minn.

Carleton College has a stellar academic reputation, but math must be the school's Achilles heel.  According to the season preview on the Knights website:

"Carleton returns its top six scorers from that squad and a strong senior class will determine how far this year's team can go."

That's a hard feat to accomplish if Amber Connor didn't return since she was the third leading scorer on last year's team.  I also just noticed that Anna Biewen (who started 28 games last year) is not on this year's roster.  Any info on why she is MIA?

34 Hannah Oken-Berg.... 29-29  26.9  .511  .000  .733  5.8  1.1   9  22  12.5
55 Sarah Lincoln....... 28-27  27.4  .477  .310  .708  6.5  1.7  30  20  10.1
03 Amber Connor........ 28-27  27.9  .408  .333  .629  3.0  1.5  18   5  10.1
12 Annie Isler......... 29-29  26.9  .460  .286  .786  5.0  3.4  60   3   8.5
20 Ally Weaver......... 29-0   23.1  .404  .352  .857  1.5  1.1  28   3   7.0
50 Sarah Kunelius...... 29-0   18.9  .329  .298  .816  4.7  0.7  12   1   6.1
11 Anna Biewen......... 28-28  23.0  .353  .000  .585  2.3  1.5  17   1   5.2
30 Megan Mileusnic..... 29-4   21.5  .450  .300  .796  4.1  1.1  16   1   4.9
10 Liz Baumgartner..... 23-0    9.0  .200  .190  .889  1.1  0.4   7   0   1.5
22 Mollie Feldman......  5-0    3.6  .250  .000  .625  0.4  0.0   3   0   1.4
24 Joy Esboldt.........  7-1    4.4  .250  .000  .667  0.3  0.1   2   0   1.1

Either Connor was leaving or Oken-Berg.

I don't think that was it.  The story I gathered from a good source was that Connor left for the U of M so that she could take care of her younger sister who is currently playing at Rosemount H.S.

Very, very good Texas trip for the Gusties who took care of business in both games.  Hopefully this will ready them for the tough MIAC battles that lay ahead.  Also, a nice non-conference win for St. Kate's yesterday afternoon over a solid Nebraska Wesleyan squad. 

Not so optimistic about this next Saturday as my UCLA Bruins host O.J. Simpson, Reggie Bush, and the merry band of thugs from South Central who'll probably be out for blood against us after Oregon St. piddled away their only chance at the Rose Bowl since that pole-cat LBJ was in office.  Still, I hope to make one of the in-town games that start at 1:00   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 30, 2008, 07:57:56 PM
I saw Carleton took two tough losses on the chin out west over the weekend. A close loss to Lewis and Clark and then a blowout loss to George Fox. No Sarah Lincoln in the box score...injury? Tough start to the year for the Knights who travel to Gustavus on Wednesday for the MIAC opener for both teams. No Connor, No Biewen, No Lincoln. Could be a long year for the Knights, and it could give the Gusties the best chance to compete with the Blazers for the conference championship this year along with St. Thomas.
Title: Lincoln
Post by: Knight Lover on December 01, 2008, 10:16:33 AM
Lincoln is studying abroad and will be back.  No doubt the squad is missing her right now as another scoring threat.  Oken-Berg had a great trip home - it's just too bad the Knights couldn't get a few more baskets to fall.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 04, 2008, 10:47:07 AM
Well its always nice to beat Carleton, but to completely dismantle them is even better. Surprisingly Tammy didn't even have much to say on the sidelines last night to the officials. (I think she recognized her team was outmatched). After a back and forth first half, the Gusties opened the second half on a 17-0 run. Katie Layman continues to look like she can be a go-to player this year for the Gusties which is good news. And two freshmen (Geske, Perry) look to be in mid-season form already.

Carleton on the other hand has some issues. Chemistry appears to be a major problem for this team. What made the Carleton teams of the past 5-8 years so great was that it seemed like they were always all on the same page and always knew where each other was going to be. This team looks like they've never played together in their lives. They didn't work hard to get the ball inside to Oken-Berg, and when they did, she didn't really show much interest in making a strong move to the basket and was held without a single field goal last night. Props to the Gustie defense for that. I did like how Erlandson, their best freshman, played off the bench. She could be good for them down the road.

Not really surprised that St. Ben's beat Bethel, but the score was a little shocking. And Concordia's win over St. Thomas really surprises me. Apparently no Hageman hangover in Moorhead? I still think St. Thomas will be there at the end of the year.

Big early season game now on Saturday with Concordia coming to play Gustavus. One of those two teams will be 2-0 with two pretty nice victories under their belts. Normally the Carleton vs. St. Ben's game would be huge too, but after seeing the Knights play last night I just dont think they even have a chance in St. Joseph on Saturday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 04, 2008, 10:01:15 PM
Question for you GB — Just saw the latest MN Basketball News and noticed they picked 3 Carleton players in the top 10 of the conference: Amber Connor, Sarah Lincoln and Oken-Berg.

I've never seen any of them play, but isn't that a little much for one team? By comparison, the Bennies have one (Schmidt), St. Thomas has one (Katch) and the Gusties have none.

I'm a little out of the loop these days, but does anyone care to take a stab at their own top 10 list?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 04, 2008, 11:21:11 PM
Well perhaps MN Basketball News needs to freshen up on some information. Amber Connor is no longer at Carleton and Sarah Lincoln is apparently studying abroad for the first semester so her impact will be limited.

As far as a top ten list goes, I'll take a crack at it in no particular order:

Mindy Schmidt
Hannah Oken-Berg
Jessica Katch
Elyse Erickson
Annagret Nautsch
Sara Sorbo
Danielle Frank
Katie Layman
Laura Kalbfell
Brianna Radtke

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 05, 2008, 08:06:50 AM
Gacbacker, I can go along w/your top 10 list; pretty accurate.

I was at the Concordia-UST game the other night.  I have to admit it was a bit shocking to see Concordia lay the hammer down on the Tommies the way they did.  UST just had no offensive synch at all it seemed like.  I suspect Sinn may have some backcourt issues, particularly at PG, as she continues to tinker with her line-up.  Whether the Tommies can recover from this beatdown in their own crib remains to be seen.

One more day before the crosstown showdown with those clowns from South Central.  How incredibly generous of the "Humanitarian" himself, Cheatey Petey, to decide unilaterally that $C would wear their home jerseys in the Rose Bowl w/o consulting Rick Neuheisel first.  Pom Pom - the great humanitarian.  Yeah.  Whatever.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 06, 2008, 05:54:17 PM
Gusties beat the Cobbers 71-60. Lets just say the Gusties have a keeper in freshman Molly Geske. This could be a fun year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 08, 2008, 07:25:46 PM
Politely speaking, Carleton is sure struggling this year.  2+ minutes to go in the first  half against Concordia and the Knights trail 36-17, largely on the strength of their 13 turnovers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 08, 2008, 07:37:12 PM
Ouch - 42-21 at half against CC.  Carleton with 15 turnovers to go with 38.5% shooting.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 08, 2008, 09:36:45 PM
Knights lose again to drop to 0-3 in the conference. Ouch.

Gusties currently leading St. Mary's by 18 at the half.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 08, 2008, 10:35:25 PM
Gustavus, St. Ben's and......yep Macalester tied atop the conference at 3-0!

Close games tonight:

St. Thomas 52-46 over Augsburg (whats up in Tommie Land?)
St. Ben's squeaks by St. Kate's 66-59
Macalester beats Bethel (Really nice to see Mac 3-0)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 09, 2008, 01:52:17 PM
I was at the CSB - St. Kate's game last night.  CSB simply did the right things coming down the stretch when they had to although MIAC officiating is already starting to sink to the level of Pac-10 referees which is DEFINITELY not a good thing. 

Not surprised at all that Mac is on something of a roll right now.  They had that one tough, 4 point loss to Whitman at home (which many have picked to win the NWC).  Guess we'll find out more about them when they take on CSB up at St. Joe.

Biggest disappointments so far:  UST which squeaked by Augsburg last night and Carleton which is in a total free fall right now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on December 09, 2008, 10:58:08 PM
CSB is off to a good start....They are definitely still working on getting a solid player rotation.  They have so many players that can compete every night that it has been tough to find that one person that separates themself from the pack and shows they really belong.  The starting 5 seems to be very solid with addition of Stifter and Frank putting up some good outings so far from the sophomore class.

Hope to see a solid win #500 Durbin and send this team into break on a high note tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Nites on December 10, 2008, 08:30:23 PM
Carleton out rebounded by St. Olaf 45-25 and tries desparately to go 0-4 in conference, but somehow manages to pull out a 62-61 win.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 11, 2008, 12:25:18 AM
St. Ben's and Gustavus squeak out victories over Macalester and Augsburg to remain undefeated in conference play.

Bennies by 5 over MAC, Gusties by 2 over Augsburg. I think its fair to say that the perennial bad teams are closing the gap a little bit, except for St. Mary's perhaps. They lost 102-40 tonight to St. Thomas who apparently figured some things out tonight.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BBTommie on December 31, 2008, 11:29:09 AM
Just for the heck of it, so this thread doesn't go 30 days without a post, I want to give out some props to the Tommie Girls Team for an outstanding game yesterday against Simpson. 

In addition to the outstanding play, my favorite moment was in the last 30 seconds during a time out, watching a Simpson Dad, standing with his arms folded,  trying to stare down the older lady ref, slowly shaking his head back and forth during the entire time-out. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 03, 2009, 11:00:30 PM
Wow, Gusties somehow snatch victory from the jaws of defeat in their own crib against an always dangerous St. Kate's squad.  How GAC overcame horrendous shooting to pull that one off I'll never know.  Looks like they're trying to emulate my UCLA Bruins of '05 who had more come from behind victories in the last few seconds or overtime than you'll ever see.  But that stuff always catches up with you (see a$$ kicking defeats against both 'Zona and USC that season).

Elsewhere, UST looks as solid as ever now in handling Mac over at Schoenecker.  Has Carleton finally turned things around with their stomp-job on Hamline today?  And Concordia still appears to be one of the upper echelon teams with their home win vs. Bethel.

Wanting to stay close to home today with the weather in mind I did take in the St. Olaf - Augsburg clash which the Oles won 76-63.  Elyse Erickson and Jamie Erdahl both had monster games in this one.

Should be an interesting game Monday night between the Gusties and Mac.  But it's high time the Gusties start bringing their "A" game into conference play.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 06, 2009, 01:53:15 PM
Rough, rough night for the Gusties as they got throttled last night at Macalester 88-71.  Not sure where to start harping on this one other than to say that GAC looked timid, helpless, and at times, utterly pathetic.  Mac, on the other hand, I have to give a lot of credit where credit is due.  Here is a programs that was struggling to just survive only a few years ago.  Now they've completely turned it around and are a team to be reckoned with.  If they can hold serve at home and win a few games on the road that they're not supposed to, look out.

Elsewhere, looks like CSB, Concordia, and Hamline took care of business.  Carleton survives down in Winona. 

Not that I expected that GAC would contend for the title this year BUT they clearly mailed it in last night.  That won't work anymore in the MIAC.  How long it takes them to recover from this latest roadie beatdown is anyone's guess. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BBTommie on January 06, 2009, 02:31:00 PM
Tommie girls also struggled last night against St Kates zone and inside game.  Fell behind by 18 midway through the 2nd half and then went with a smaller lineup and brought in FR Ali Johnson, who for the second time this season quickly went 4-5 from 3 pt land.  Too little and maybe a bit too late as they never got closer than 5 and lost by 6.  Expect to see much more PT from MS Johnson in the future.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on January 07, 2009, 12:10:21 PM
It looks like St. Benedict is by far the best team in the league this year.  Who do you think will challenge them? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 08, 2009, 08:05:51 AM
Quote from: gottaluvhoops on January 07, 2009, 12:10:21 PM
It looks like St. Benedict is by far the best team in the league this year.  Who do you think will challenge them? 

Just from what I've seen so far and from what I saw last night, Concordia to me looks like the most complete team out there right now.  I have seen CSB once this year and I really thought that at the beginning of the season they were by far and away the best in the MIAC.  Now all of a sudden I'm not so sure.  Yes, they have been winning and taking care of business so far.  But this is without question the most physical Cobber team I've ever seen and last night against Macalester they just shut down the Scots 1-2 punch of Ann Baltzer and Trina PaStarr in the 2nd half.  That Cobber defense just gets on you and doesn't let go.

Hey UST - What the HELL was THAT last night????  You can't let Bethel come into your crib and put a beatdown like that on you.  If last night's 65-33 drubbing is any indication, the Tommies have some serious, serious issues to overcome if they want to be a factor in the MIAC title chase.  Granted, that was a nice victory over a very good Simpson team just before the first of the year BUT you can't turn around and lay and egg like that.  Monday's loss at St. Kate's and this latest meltdown may very well indicate that UST is starting to circle the drain.         
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on January 08, 2009, 09:03:37 AM
I have yet to see concordia play this year, but I have a hard time believing that they can play with St. Bens...  We will find out on saturday now.   The bennies have been "taking care of business" quite easily lately.  Durbin has been using a 10+ player rotation which is going to have huge benefits later in the season when solid bench play becomes more and more important. 

The scary thing for the rest of the conference is that this team has a ton of room to improve...They have played no where near their best basketball yet.   I think Durbin or any player on the team would agree with that statement.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BBTommie on January 08, 2009, 09:47:51 AM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 08, 2009, 08:05:51 AM
Quote from: gottaluvhoops on January 07, 2009, 12:10:21 PM
It looks like St. Benedict is by far the best team in the league this year.  Who do you think will challenge them? 

Hey UST - What the HELL was THAT last night????  You can't let Bethel come into your crib and put a beatdown like that on you.  If last night's 65-33 drubbing is any indication, the Tommies have some serious, serious issues to overcome if they want to be a factor in the MIAC title chase.  Granted, that was a nice victory over a very good Simpson team just before the first of the year BUT you can't turn around and lay and egg like that.  Monday's loss at St. Kate's and this latest meltdown may very well indicate that UST is starting to circle the drain.         
Just my observations and I'm far from an expert on women's basketball but here is what I'm seeing:

Complete inability to execute against a good zone defense.  No effective ball movement.  Lots of dribbling around looking for someone to magically get open inside.  Lots of driving into traffic and getting stuck double and triple teamed.  No reliable outside shooting.  Poor inside defense.  Lots of work to do to get this team back to functioning like a team.

They are young in some key spots, especially inside.  They are suiting up 20-22 players.  Katch is solid and a fun player to watch but even she is struggling with shooting and turnovers as she likely is pressing a bit.  Fortunately their pressing defense is still very strong, even though it tends to give up too many easy shots inside.

Lot of work to do, but could still surprise if they can just score some points.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 08, 2009, 01:51:40 PM
PRF - No doubt we'll get a lot of questions answered this Saturday after the Concordia-CSB tilt.  The reason I think Concordia has the edge here is that CSB simply hasn't seen anyone that can play defense AND be physical like Concordia yet.  If they can shut down Frank and Gillund and neutralize Tauer, it could be a long day for the Blazers. 

BBTommie - The thing that still gets me about the Tommies in the opportunites I've been able to watch them is that they still look like a team that's trying to find an identity for themselves and, quite obviously after last night's disaster at Schoenecker, they still have a long way to go.  Katch is a very good player but she can only do so much.  I think the painful truth for UST is that they got spoiled last year having a great presence down low in Carrie Embree and now with her gone they're starting to hit the panic button when they can't hit from the perimeter.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, I also think Sinn has got some serious backcourt issues that still haven't been resolved yet. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 08, 2009, 04:24:45 PM
7 Questions to consider midway through the season

1. Is St. Ben's going to run away with the conference?

2. Can Gustavus remain in the top three of the conference during their upcoming eight game road trip?

3. Will St. Thomas ever decide on a regular rotation or continue to throw things at the wall each and every game?

4. When will St. Olaf realize that shooting 25 three pointers per game when you're a 23% three point shooting team isn't going to win you a lot of games? Especially when your post player is the leading scorer in the conference  ???

5. Is Carleton's run of straight seasons making the MIAC playoffs over?

6. Can Macalester make its first playoff appearance is forever?

7. Can the conference get more than one team in the tournament this year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on January 11, 2009, 09:12:49 AM
Quite a game by the blazers yesterday.... LA you were right that the cobbers are aggressive and play physical.  However, that did not translate to good defense.  CSB was left open time after time for easy 3 pointers and jump shots.  Cobbers were the most agressive team I've seen play the blazers this year, but they are very undersized with what is basically an all guard line up.  They were unable to get any shots off inside vs. Frank and Guillind.

On a side note...  I would think CSB would finally jump back into the top 25 again this week.... TX-Dallas is ranked 25 with two losses.  That is a team that CSB beat earlier this year. 



Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on January 14, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
What a difference 3 days can make.

St. Ben's didn't show up tonight and lets hope they don't have to play at St. thomas in the playoffs at because the tommies have their number in that building.  Hopefully this lights a fire under the bennies and they come out firing every game her on out.

The tommies looked really good.  I haven't seen them play this year until tonight, but I can't believe they lost 4 games.  They moved the ball around well on offense, played agressive and physical, and made ALL their shots.  Very impressive.

It will be interesting to see how st. bens responds saturday and then again on monday against the gusties.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: granny14 on January 15, 2009, 12:25:20 PM
It appears no team is completely sacred!  With approximately half of the season remaning, most every team can make a statement.  What really happened at St. Thomas last night?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BBTommie on January 15, 2009, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: granny14 on January 15, 2009, 12:25:20 PM
It appears no team is completely sacred!  With approximately half of the season remaning, most every team can make a statement.  What really happened at St. Thomas last night?
First of all it looked to me like St. Ben's thought they could stop the Tommie Offense with a man-to-man when their recent losses were against good zones, which bottled up the inside game.  The Tommie inside players are very good at coming out and making shots from outside, which happened quite a bit last night.

Second, the Tommies shot really well with renewed confidence from their win against Carleton and some changes in the starting lineup and rotation.

Third, they were more physical.

Fourth, they played loose and fierce as an underdog who knew they could win.

Fifth, they have Katch, who is a superstar strong in all aspects of the game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 16, 2009, 11:05:34 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 08, 2009, 04:24:45 PM
7 Questions to consider midway through the season

1. Is St. Ben's going to run away with the conference?

2. Can Gustavus remain in the top three of the conference during their upcoming eight game road trip?

3. Will St. Thomas ever decide on a regular rotation or continue to throw things at the wall each and every game?

4. When will St. Olaf realize that shooting 25 three pointers per game when you're a 23% three point shooting team isn't going to win you a lot of games? Especially when your post player is the leading scorer in the conference  ???

5. Is Carleton's run of straight seasons making the MIAC playoffs over?

6. Can Macalester make its first playoff appearance is forever?

7. Can the conference get more than one team in the tournament this year?

Gacbacker,

Thought I should take a few days and let a few games play out before I take a stab at the questions you pose.....

1.  I think we have a much better feel on CSB now after Wednesday night's beatdown at the hands of UST.  CSB has a lot of talent for sure and they're definitely one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the conference but I really feel like Concordia is the most complete team in the MIAC despite the loss they had to CSB in St. Joe this last Saturday. 

2.  I see a lot of red flags when I've watched the Gusties this season.  Yes, a lot of good, young talent there for sure but they've been living dangerously to say the least.  Despite the breathtaking win over at Bethel Wednesday night, there's a lot of things that could be better about this group.  The one thing about GAC over the years that really gets me is that they tend to play too "nice" ; i.e., they lack that killer instinct that both CSB and Carleton have had over the years.  I think they'll get into the playoffs okay but doing it as the 3rd seed may be a bit of a stretch.

3.  Presumably Sinn has after Wednesday night's romp over CSB.  This Dr. Jekyll and Hyde act needed to create an identity for itself and I think it finally has.  This squad has had so many ups and downs this season already that the Dallas Cowboys would be proud of this group.

4.  Good question.......Unless Erdahl, Oja, and the little blonde bombshell can suddenly get hot it could be a brutal homestretch for this group.

5.  It looks that way.  I just don't think this team or TM-F have any more rabbits they can pull out of their hat.

6.  It seems like it was just yesterday that Mac had canceled their season and their program appeared moribund.  What a difference a few short years can make.  I think they not only make the MIAC playoffs but they get in as the #4 or #5 seed.

7.  I think both Concordia and CSB get into the Dance.  Now, will either one of them do any damage once they get in?  Sadly, I'd have to say no as the MIAC will do its normal post season flop.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: granny14 on January 17, 2009, 06:33:39 PM
Great day for a couple of teams.  Is Carleton coming up again?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 17, 2009, 06:59:39 PM
Nice win for the Gusties today. The Tommies looked like they thought they were going to be able to strut right in and win easily after they dismantled St. Ben's three days earlier. No sir.

Hamline gives St. Ben's their second straight loss, setting up a match-up of first place teams on Monday in St. Joseph. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on January 18, 2009, 12:32:38 PM
Can't figure out what is more surprising...

1... St. Ben's continues to be in a bit of a funk and loses to Hamline

2... After dominating St. Ben's and looking unstoppable the tommies come out and lose at home Saturday

Looking for St. Bens to get back to the basics on monday.  I expect to see the offense moving through frank, guillind and tauer.  Getting the ball to those 3 collapses the D and gives the good shooters on this team good opportunities on kick outs.

Should be a good one Monday. 

St. Bens 70
Gustavus 64

Hoping that the home court advantage pays dividends.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 18, 2009, 01:27:05 PM
When was the last time St. Ben's lost three straight MIAC games? Has it even happened during the Durbin era?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 21, 2009, 08:32:22 PM
Just watched the Gustavus Carleton Game on Carleton's webcast. I really wish I could get back the last two hours of my life. Probably the worst display of basketball I've ever seen.

The Gusties will continue to see their opponent's play zone defense because the Gusties have no answer for it. They inexcusably jack up 31 three pointers tonight and make only six. The Gustie coaching staff might want to stop being so stubburn and think about running a set play or two, instead of constantly running through their slow, brutal, unimaginative, predictable motion offense. There are thousands of plays available on the internet. Find a few, learn them, and run them, because the offense is painful to watch.

The Gusties won't win many games in the second half of the season until they decide to start rebounding with some grit and effort. Total lack of effort tonight on the boards, as they give up 21 offensive rebounds! 21!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: granny14 on January 22, 2009, 10:50:21 AM
Didn't see the GA/Carleton game, but noted the number of 3 point attempts!  Great when they go in................  Guess it's not much of a game when everyone is off?????? 

Keep a watch on Hamline, Carleton. Going to be a fun ride for the remainder of season. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 22, 2009, 01:00:02 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 21, 2009, 08:32:22 PM
Just watched the Gustavus Carleton Game on Carleton's webcast. I really wish I could get back the last two hours of my life. Probably the worst display of basketball I've ever seen.

The Gusties will continue to see their opponent's play zone defense because the Gusties have no answer for it. They inexcusably jack up 31 three pointers tonight and make only six. The Gustie coaching staff might want to stop being so stubburn and think about running a set play or two, instead of constantly running through their slow, brutal, unimaginative, predictable motion offense. There are thousands of plays available on the internet. Find a few, learn them, and run them, because the offense is painful to watch.

The Gusties won't win many games in the second half of the season until they decide to start rebounding with some grit and effort. Total lack of effort tonight on the boards, as they give up 21 offensive rebounds! 21!

Kinda quiet in here without me, eh GB? I'll offer a few thoughts...

Plays don't necessarily solve anything (unless you're Myron Glass). Personally, I hate them. I'd much prefer a motion set that allows for creativity. That said, you've got to have enough structure and discipline to prevent what happened last night. The stats look extremely ugly.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 22, 2009, 01:43:18 PM
I  know set plays aren't the "Gustie Way" but I do think that they tend to be more effective in the women's game. St. Ben's has been the winningest program in the conference over the last 20 years and they run more sets than anybody else in the conference.

I'm not saying run sets exclusively. I'm saying that when your motion grinds to a halt its nice to have a few in your back pocket.

In their last sx games the Gusties have scored 57, 58, 57, 60, 45, and 46 points for an average of of 53.8 points per game. That's not gonna get it done on most nights. It's time, in my humble opinion, to put some new wrinkles in the offense.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: granny14 on January 25, 2009, 01:26:39 PM
Concordia hung in there against GA this time!  Quite a well rounded team.  St.Mary's, you may be turning a corner.   Any team that thinks they can sit back and watch St. Bens toss in those 3's by not defending,  look at the MIAC stats!!!!!  Who at least tries to contest those?

Keep it going.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 26, 2009, 08:05:21 AM
After this last weekend's round of games I think things are beginning to look much more clearer than what they were a couple of weeks ago.

1.  Concordia and CSB are by far and away the class of this conference.  I still give Concordia the edge here because of their ability to be physical and that darn Cobber "D".  But CSB, when they get hot with their 3-point shooting, can light up anybody.  Also, they're the best passing team I've ever seen.

2.  Props to Hamline which is probably the hottest team in the conference right now.  They were in big time trouble with Macalester on Saturday in their own crib but found a way down the stretch to claw back into it and win it.  That's what bona fide playoff contenders; nee championship contenders, do.

3.  Oh yeah.   The Gusties (somewhat predictably) are in a total tailspin right now.  After doing their usual tease-job earlier in the season trying to convince all of us that they were legitimate title contenders are now getting exposed BIG TIME for all the flaws they do have.  Let's see here....hmmm.....no senior leadership, motion offense sucks, defense is a shell of its former self, spotty post play, front line getting beat down.  Oh yeah, verrrrryyyy impressive, GAC.  After this latest a$$ kicking that Concordia dropped on you Saturday I'm sure your confidence is just sky-high right about now.  Good luck holding on to that 6th playoff spot Gusties.

4.  Two more teams in trouble:  UST and, somewhat all of a sudden, Macalester.  The Tommies, despite holding on against St. Olaf on the road still have a LOT of issues and chemistry problems.  You have to wonder what's going on here; especially with the inexplicable departure of Sheena Porter-Wrzos from the squad.  While this obviously isn't 2002 all over again it's sad to see something like that happen.  Mac, which had things looking so promising for them only a few short weeks ago now finds itself fighting for its playoff life after dropping three in a row.  And now with Trina PaStarr out (for how long?) you wonder if this team can hang on.

5.  Team still hanging in there:  St. Kate's.

6.  Teams slip-sliding away:  Bethel and Carleton.

7.  Team playing with all heart right now:  SMU (take note, Gusties).     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on January 26, 2009, 09:05:52 AM
another win for the bennies on saturday... Carleton did not seem to have a chance in this one. It will be dissapointing if St. Bens loses another game this year I think.  They are clearly the best team in the conference.  That being said, they better start working on an offense that does something other than throwing up 3 pointers.  It's nice when they go in, but come playoff time the rim always gets a bit smaller. 

I am left speechless after watching Carleton on Saturday.  How this team can be so bad with so much talent is unbelievable.  Isler wrecks the chemistry on that team and is definitely not much of a team player which i think everyone knew already.  Carleton's coach couldn't even look isler in the face on saturday.  I still would not want to face this team if they some how found their way into the playoffs...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 26, 2009, 11:17:15 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 26, 2009, 08:05:21 AM
After this last weekend's round of games I think things are beginning to look much more clearer than what they were a couple of weeks ago.

1.  Concordia and CSB are by far and away the class of this conference.  I still give Concordia the edge here because of their ability to be physical and that darn Cobber "D".  But CSB, when they get hot with their 3-point shooting, can light up anybody.  Also, they're the best passing team I've ever seen.

2.  Props to Hamline which is probably the hottest team in the conference right now.  They were in big time trouble with Macalester on Saturday in their own crib but found a way down the stretch to claw back into it and win it.  That's what bona fide playoff contenders; nee championship contenders, do.

3.  Oh yeah.   The Gusties (somewhat predictably) are in a total tailspin right now.  After doing their usual tease-job earlier in the season trying to convince all of us that they were legitimate title contenders are now getting exposed BIG TIME for all the flaws they do have.  Let's see here....hmmm.....no senior leadership, motion offense sucks, defense is a shell of its former self, spotty post play, front line getting beat down.  Oh yeah, verrrrryyyy impressive, GAC.  After this latest a$$ kicking that Concordia dropped on you Saturday I'm sure your confidence is just sky-high right about now.  Good luck holding on to that 6th playoff spot Gusties.

4.  Two more teams in trouble:  UST and, somewhat all of a sudden, Macalester.  The Tommies, despite holding on against St. Olaf on the road still have a LOT of issues and chemistry problems.  You have to wonder what's going on here; especially with the inexplicable departure of Sheena Porter-Wrzos from the squad.  While this obviously isn't 2002 all over again it's sad to see something like that happen.  Mac, which had things looking so promising for them only a few short weeks ago now finds itself fighting for its playoff life after dropping three in a row.  And now with Trina PaStarr out (for how long?) you wonder if this team can hang on.

5.  Team still hanging in there:  St. Kate's.

6.  Teams slip-sliding away:  Bethel and Carleton.

7.  Team playing with all heart right now:  SMU (take note, Gusties).     

I feel your frustrations with the Gusties L.A. Rams, however, I look at it like this: They have lost three in a row, but two of the three losses were at St. Ben's and at Concordia - two places where they usually never win, even when they had Monahan and Vadnais. I would have expected them to lose those games at the beginning of the season.

The loss that really hurts is the one at Carleton. Carleton just isn't very good this year, and they didn't even play well against Gustavus. The Gusties gave that one away, by being undisciplined against a 2-3 zone defense (see 31 three point attempts) and refusing to work on the boards (see 21 offensive rebounds for Carleton)

Will it come back to bite the Gusties? It might be the difference between a first round home game and a first round road game in the MIAC playoffs, but I still think they will finish in the top 6. Their schedule gets dramatically easier, and their toughest remaining games are at home.

I just hope they come out and play loose against St. Mary's and St. Kate's this week. They haven't got off to very good starts in the first five minutes of games lately and that has put them in early holes and then they feel forced to gamble on defense and they end up giving up a lot of lay-ups.

I think they will rebound with two victories this week, and that might just put them back into third place, because to be honest I don't really think Hamline is going to continue on their current pace.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 27, 2009, 08:00:12 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 26, 2009, 11:17:15 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 26, 2009, 08:05:21 AM
After this last weekend's round of games I think things are beginning to look much more clearer than what they were a couple of weeks ago.

1.  Concordia and CSB are by far and away the class of this conference.  I still give Concordia the edge here because of their ability to be physical and that darn Cobber "D".  But CSB, when they get hot with their 3-point shooting, can light up anybody.  Also, they're the best passing team I've ever seen.

2.  Props to Hamline which is probably the hottest team in the conference right now.  They were in big time trouble with Macalester on Saturday in their own crib but found a way down the stretch to claw back into it and win it.  That's what bona fide playoff contenders; nee championship contenders, do.

3.  Oh yeah.   The Gusties (somewhat predictably) are in a total tailspin right now.  After doing their usual tease-job earlier in the season trying to convince all of us that they were legitimate title contenders are now getting exposed BIG TIME for all the flaws they do have.  Let's see here....hmmm.....no senior leadership, motion offense sucks, defense is a shell of its former self, spotty post play, front line getting beat down.  Oh yeah, verrrrryyyy impressive, GAC.  After this latest a$$ kicking that Concordia dropped on you Saturday I'm sure your confidence is just sky-high right about now.  Good luck holding on to that 6th playoff spot Gusties.

4.  Two more teams in trouble:  UST and, somewhat all of a sudden, Macalester.  The Tommies, despite holding on against St. Olaf on the road still have a LOT of issues and chemistry problems.  You have to wonder what's going on here; especially with the inexplicable departure of Sheena Porter-Wrzos from the squad.  While this obviously isn't 2002 all over again it's sad to see something like that happen.  Mac, which had things looking so promising for them only a few short weeks ago now finds itself fighting for its playoff life after dropping three in a row.  And now with Trina PaStarr out (for how long?) you wonder if this team can hang on.

5.  Team still hanging in there:  St. Kate's.

6.  Teams slip-sliding away:  Bethel and Carleton.

7.  Team playing with all heart right now:  SMU (take note, Gusties).     

I feel your frustrations with the Gusties L.A. Rams, however, I look at it like this: They have lost three in a row, but two of the three losses were at St. Ben's and at Concordia - two places where they usually never win, even when they had Monahan and Vadnais. I would have expected them to lose those games at the beginning of the season.

The loss that really hurts is the one at Carleton. Carleton just isn't very good this year, and they didn't even play well against Gustavus. The Gusties gave that one away, by being undisciplined against a 2-3 zone defense (see 31 three point attempts) and refusing to work on the boards (see 21 offensive rebounds for Carleton)

Will it come back to bite the Gusties? It might be the difference between a first round home game and a first round road game in the MIAC playoffs, but I still think they will finish in the top 6. Their schedule gets dramatically easier, and their toughest remaining games are at home.

I just hope they come out and play loose against St. Mary's and St. Kate's this week. They haven't got off to very good starts in the first five minutes of games lately and that has put them in early holes and then they feel forced to gamble on defense and they end up giving up a lot of lay-ups.

I think they will rebound with two victories this week, and that might just put them back into third place, because to be honest I don't really think Hamline is going to continue on their current pace.

Gacbacker,

Maybe you know something I don't.    I just don't see it happening.  True, the 8-game roadie stretch the Gusties have had to endure is coming to a close but don't forget they're going up against an SMU team that all of a sudden has found itself - at least at home anyway.  St. Kate's, while not being as consistent as they could/should be, is also a tough task at the Butler Center.  Again, if GAC had someone capable/willing to step up and WANT to make the big plays coming down the stretch (see the days of AP, Vadnais, Monahan) I'd feel a lot better about this group.  I've seen nothing so far that convinces me this team has that.

Hamline, on the other hand, has shown me that they are capable of making these exact kinds of big plays down the stretch when they need it.  True, they didn't exactly bring their "A" game with them Saturday against Mac but they had players willing to reach down and bring it up when they needed it most.   They've got a tough week of games coming up; particularly at home against co-leader Concordia (who I think is the best team in the MIAC).  If they somehow get through this week unscathed, look out.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 27, 2009, 04:30:01 PM
L.A. - before we go and crown St. Mary's "the little engine that could" lets remember that they beat 1-12 St. Olaf, 6-7 Bethel, and 6-7 Macalester who is in the middle of a five game slide. The also recently lost to 1-12 Augsburg, giving the Auggies their only conference win of the season to date.

I'm confident that the Gusties will win in Winona tomorrow. I'm 50-50 on the game at St. Kate's on Saturday. It's a game that will go a long ways in determining the 3 through 6 seeds in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BBTommie on January 28, 2009, 12:56:01 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 26, 2009, 08:05:21 AM
4.  Two more teams in trouble:  UST and, somewhat all of a sudden, Macalester.  The Tommies, despite holding on against St. Olaf on the road still have a LOT of issues and chemistry problems.  You have to wonder what's going on here; especially with the inexplicable departure of Sheena Porter-Wrzos from the squad. 
It would probably be smarter to wait with this post until after tonight's game, but I'll go out on a limb anyway.

I think the Tommies have worked through the issues and have settled in on a starting lineup and rotation.  Against STO they started one senior, one sophomore and three freshmen.  Jordyn Sears got her first start at PG and had a breakout game with 22 points, 3 assists, 3 TO's and 3 steals.  She is a freshman so I wouldn't count on this being the norm but it is very encouraging.   And a big improvement over the way Sheena Porter-Wrzos was running the offense.

They are still not getting enough production out of the two inside freshmen, but Senior Dee Prioleau has been getting a lot of PT at the post and has been scoring well.

I think the Tommies chemistry problems came from trying to work the young players into the lineup.  Overall, they have several older players with experience but less talent than the new ones and that most likely created some friction.  Several seniors and juniors have been getting much more PT lately.  Overall, I think the balance is now better.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 29, 2009, 02:00:00 PM
GB - Are you more upset that the Gusties won easily last night without relying on set plays or by the way Duke choked in crunch time? :-*

SMU may have beaten some poor teams lately, but it has reason to be optimistic for the future. I think the Cards are starting three freshmen, a sophomore and a junior. They actually outplayed the Gusties for the first 18 minutes or so, but a questionable call seemed to turn the momentum.

GAC had a fastbreak layup...but an SMU player (Miller, I think) caught up and appeared to make a clean block from behind. The ref, who was standing near midcourt, called a foul and Gustavus proceeded to score the last six points of the half and 24 of the next 26 points to blow the game open.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 02, 2009, 12:23:36 PM
Interesting results over the weekend...things getting interesting in the battle for the 3-6 spots. Here are my predictions for how things will finish. Carleton has a very favorable schedule with home games against the bottom 4 teams so I think they are going to sneak back into things. St. Kate's and Bethel both have tough schedules and the loser of their game tonight is really going to be in a tough spot.

The thought of a Gustavus/Carleton 3 vs. 6 match-up in the first round really scares me. I'd much rather face Hamline in the playoffs. 

1. St. Ben's 13-2 + 6-1 = 19-3
2. Concordia 13-3 + 5-1 = 18-4
3. Gustavus 10-5 + 6-1 = 16-6
4. St. Thomas 10-5 + 4-3 = 14-8
5. Hamline 10-6 + 3-3 = 13-9
6. Carleton 7-8 + 6-1 = 13-9
7. Bethel 8-7 + 4-3 = 12-10
8. St. Kate's 8-7 + 3-4 = 11-11
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 02, 2009, 02:09:13 PM
Gacbacker,

Not bad picks although I still think Concordia will somehow find a way to win the conference despite the loss to Bethel on Saturday.  When they're clicking on all cylinders they can be unstoppable. 

To be sure, GAC took a HUGE step in the right direction with their big win against St. Kate's on Saturday as well.  Without question this was the best I've seen GAC play all season long.  The nagging question:  Can they keep it up and, more importantly, can they do it without being physical?

A costly, costly weekend for Hamline which needed to come away with at least a split this last weekend and instead got thumped at home twice.  Now they're in a logjam with both GAC and UST and the upcoming schedule does not bode well for the Pipers now.

Carleton may have nudged its way back into the playoff picture but I think the team that COULD be a real terror down the stretch is, oddly enough, Bethel.  They seem to have it going now and Saturday's stomp job on the Cobbers was no accident.  They're physical and if Nautsch has her way down low good things happen for the Royals.  Also, I've been very impressed with the newcomers on the team; Grejtak, Beasley, and Sheley. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: CobberFvr on February 03, 2009, 01:52:27 AM
The Cobber women at times show the signs of being a national contending team. And at other times, they look like a jv team.

They're deep, but there's only a select few that play well TOGETHER.

The starting 5 (Freudenberg, Green, Sorbo, Nord, & Jossart) play extremely well together, and when Matetich subs in for one of them, they still play well. But other than that, they lose a little of their swagger.

Either way, they're a great team and have the possibility to do great things with the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 03, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
Guess I was wrong about Carleton...as they lose in a stinker to St. Olaf.

Ben's survives another scare from Macalester...

Bethel with another impressive win, or perhaps its just St. Kate's isn't that good? They've been taken apart by their last two opponents.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 03, 2009, 11:35:26 PM
Sounds like St. Ben's guard Mindy Schmidt is out for the season with a knee injury. Bad break for the Blazers, but as usual they are the one team deep enough to be able to survive through an injury of that magnitude.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on February 05, 2009, 08:50:01 PM
What a tough break for the blazers to lose Schmidt.  It will be really hard for them to replace that scoring.  However, this will give some other guards time to get some experience for when they need to play larger roles next year.

Should be a good game in moorhead this weekend.  Seems to always be a tough place to play, but after seeing concordia once this year I don't think they have the size/depth to play w/ the blazers. 

The key for the blazers without schmidt for the rest of the year will be getting the ball inside to Tauer, Frank, Guilland, and even Canton.  That should create some easy points and take the pressure off the guards.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 06, 2009, 08:09:31 AM
Actually, PRF, I think it'll be the other way around as Concordia is VERY physical and I suspect they'll put a big-time beatdown on the Blazers tomorrow up in Moorhead.

The homestretch is going to be very interesting to watch as teams like GAC, UST, Bethel and Hamline all scramble for playoff positioning.  GAC has both UST and Bethel at home.  And the big game next Wednesday night has Bethel hosting UST.

Macalester's season, once looking so promising only a month ago, has plunged into the depths of despair.  The flotsam from this Titanic-esque shipwreck can probably be seen strewn all over Snelling Avenue.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 06, 2009, 03:38:45 PM
I would be surprised if there is any kind of "beatdown" tomorrow in Moorhead. I expect a very close game, and even give a slight edge to the Blazers.

Gustavus vs. Hamline and St. Thomas vs. Carleton are also key games tomorrow. I expect GAC at home with what should be a decent crowd, to win by 10 or more after they laid an egg in St. Paul earlier in the year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: CobberFvr on February 07, 2009, 05:04:21 PM
Cobber Women up 56-49 with 15:00 to go in the 2nd half.

Freudenberg has 27 points for Concordia.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: CobberFvr on February 07, 2009, 05:47:15 PM
Blazers have a good 2nd half and win 92-79 over the Cobbs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on February 07, 2009, 05:50:02 PM
Blazers pull away down the stretch and win easily.  Cobbers kept it close for quite a bit longer than I thought they would.  It was nice to see the blazers not panic when they were down 7 in the 2nd half.  

There was no inside presence from the cobbers today.... Frank, Tauer, and Guilind went a combined 15 for 20 and scored about 40 combined points.  The blazers will be tough to beat when they have that much of a presence inside.

Here's to these two teams staying healthy and seeing one more match up between them this year.  St. Bens is definitely the better team, but it is really difficult to beat a good team 3 times in one year.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 07, 2009, 11:47:38 PM
Without question a HUGE win for CSB up in M-head over the Corn.  Perhaps I had underestimated CSB a bit.  Freudenberg must have had a career day pouring in 34 points in a losing effort.  Apparently, Concordia simply had no answer down low for either Frank or Gillund.  Even more striking, that vaunted Cobber "D" got torched for 92 points.  OUCH.

Oh yeah, there was another noteworthy conference game today as the Gusties failed to hold serve at home and got slapped by slumping Hamline 68-62.  I can't really offer too much on this from not having been there myself BUT I can tell you that shooting a blistering 2 for 24 from behind the arc USUALLY will not win you a lot of ball games.  Just when you thought this team had FINALLY turned the corner and had things going in the right direction they go and lay an egg - in their own crib no less.  What makes this loss even more devastating for GAC is that both UST and Bethel came up with huge road wins and GAC's remaining schedule is nothing short of brutal with UST, Bethel, AND CSB all to come a callin' in St. Peter in the stretch of two weeks.   You would have thought that GAC would have been up to the task of protecting its home court and, on paper anyway, looked to have a favorable stretch in the hopes of hosting a conference playoff game.  Now, an ominous cloud of uncertainty shrouds this team and you can't even count the remaining road game at St. Olaf next week Wednesday as a "sure thing".

Also, HUGE props to Macalester today for wearing pink unis as part of the WBCA "Pink Zone" they observed today.  Very classy and sharp.
Title: Abysmal Carleton
Post by: knightfan on February 09, 2009, 08:44:22 AM
I caught my Knights playing St Thomas on Saturday, and it's almost embarrassing to watch.  I don't quite understand how a team can go from winning the MIAC tournament to not even making it in the pool of six - and with four seniors! 

This team seems to be disjointed and careless.  For a team that used to be known for execution on both sides of the court, this team seems no where near that.  I don't know how many times I saw them get caught defensively on the weak side giving up little bunnies to the Tommies or just totally messing up on the offensive side.  It's bad basketball.

It will be interesting to see how the 4, 5, and 6 spots play out.  Any chance the MIAC gets more than one team in the dance this year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on February 09, 2009, 08:58:20 AM
The only way Miac gets two in is if St. Ben's wins out the rest of the season and then someone else beats them in the miac tourney.  Other than that scenario I would say the chances are slim.

I also have a hard time understanding what is going on with Carleton. Watching them last year I always thought they played the game the right way and always made good decisions which was something that other teams in the miac wouldn't do as consistently.  The only thing I have seen is that their problems are with Isler. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: knightfan on February 09, 2009, 01:11:10 PM
I was all about getting on the Isler-is-the-problem band wagon, but I think with the problems they've had, it's got to go much deeper.  The talent in Lincoln and Oken-Berg, in my opinion, should have been able to overcome any problems with Isler.  Lincoln and Oken-Berg seem disinterested at best with no fire or desire, and worse, they seem to be pretty lazy at times.  They seem to play when they want and then complain the rest of the time.  Not exactly the senior leadership you're looking for.

Maybe harsh words, but it's pretty unbelievable to have that much talent and go absolutely no where.  They actually may have set the program back for a couple of years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 09, 2009, 01:45:33 PM
Quote from: knightfan on February 09, 2009, 01:11:10 PM
I was all about getting on the Isler-is-the-problem band wagon, but I think with the problems they've had, it's got to go much deeper.  The talent in Lincoln and Oken-Berg, in my opinion, should have been able to overcome any problems with Isler.  Lincoln and Oken-Berg seem disinterested at best with no fire or desire, and worse, they seem to be pretty lazy at times.  They seem to play when they want and then complain the rest of the time.  Not exactly the senior leadership you're looking for.

Maybe harsh words, but it's pretty unbelievable to have that much talent and go absolutely no where.  They actually may have set the program back for a couple of years.

I have only seen Carleton once this year and you guys are right; this team - this program - is a shell of its former self.  Just from what I have gathered it's almost like the seniors on that team made a pact to not care or just go through the motions and that's it.  I do know of a former Carleton standout who was watching one of the games on the internet this season and had to turn it off about 1/3 of the way into the game as she was disgusted and disheartened by what she was seeing.  It's almost surreal when you look at what's going on and especially when you think of the great teams they had earlier in the decade with Vig, Colbenson, Engel, Grabowski, Kramer, the twins, et al.  That team had GREAT chemistry and they ALWAYS got after it.  They would be aghast if they saw what was going on now. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: CobberFvr on February 10, 2009, 01:59:35 AM
Quote from: PRF07 on February 09, 2009, 08:58:20 AM
The only way Miac gets two in is if St. Ben's wins out the rest of the season and then someone else beats them in the miac tourney. 
I wouldn't put it past the Cobber Women. I think they will come back and beat them in the conference tourney title.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on February 11, 2009, 07:06:52 PM
#2 St bens
#3 Concordia

today's regional rankings.  Good for the miac as far as chances to get at least 2 teams into the tourney.  One thing is for sure the miac should be glad that it is not in the central region.  They would be ranked closer to #6 or not ranked at all. 

One observation from these rankings is the odd criteria that determines a regional game.  Per the guidelines the two games st. bens played against texas teams earlier this year count as regional games.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 19, 2009, 05:48:41 PM
Real quiet in here...

Some thoughts heading into the final weekend of the regular season....

Plenty to be decided still as far as the playoff pairings go as St. Ben's plays at Gustavus and St. Thomas and Hamline lock horns on Saturday. I'm pretty sure the Gusties would much rather host Bethel in the first round compared to Hamline. 2-0 vs. Bethel and they haven't lost to them since 2000. 0-2 vs. Hamline this year....doesn't take a genious to figure that out.

Weird year for figuring out MVP. In past years there has been 3-4 girls who are worthy...not really the case this year. The top two scorers, Kalbfell and Erickson, are on teams that won't make the playoffs, so I would think they are out of consideration. I think its a two horse race between Katch and Freudenberg with a slight edge to Freudenberg in my opinion. Katch's numbers have slid from last year and I think she has more talent around her than does Freudenberg. Freudenberg has also had a few monster games.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on February 19, 2009, 10:42:50 PM
I agree with Fruedenberg for mvp.  Katch did look good last night, but she wasn't able to put up 36ish points on the blazers like Fruedenberg did. 

It will be interesting if St. Thomas and St. Bens meet again in the playoffs.  That game last night was a classic except for the 1 for 20 3 pt showing by st. bens.  Does anyone know why St. Thomas has so many players that started last year coming off the bench now?  They definitely have a solid group of freshmen with #44 and #5 and have a very deep and experienced bench.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 21, 2009, 02:28:24 AM
Katch's numbers have slid in part to reduced minutes. She's playing three less minutes a game, but she's also been much more efficient while on the court — her FG percentage is up from 39 to 43, her FT percentage is up from 66 to 79 and she's taken about 100 less shots.

I haven't seen Freudenberg play this year, but her stats put her right in the mix. The one thing Katch has going for her is the career achievement factor. According to the UST web site, she'll soon be the only MIAC woman to ever reach 1,200 points, 700 rebounds, 330 assists, 280 steals and 85 blocks. Seems like some random numbers, but you could argue that she's the most well-rounded player in league history. I'm not sure that means she deserves this particular MVP award, but it could be enough to sway a close race.

I've also got a blog up about the Ole struggles (http://minnesnowtamusings.blogspot.com/2009/02/revealing-look-at-oles.html) this year, if anyone's curious. I follow the men much closer, but those numbers were too ugly to ignore.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 22, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
Gusties get the match-up they wanted against Bethel in the first round. Something tells me its not going to be a Concordia vs. St. Ben's match-up in the championship game. I think one of them will get knocked off in the semi's.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 23, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
Gackbacker,

I wish I could feel as confident as you do about the Gusties; especially after yet ANOTHER disheartening home loss - this time to regular season champ CSB.  Bethel is coming off a blowout win over Carleton and GAC simply has not shown me enough to think they could get past the 1st round - even at home.  I hope I'm wrong.

But you may be right about the impending MIAC Championship game.  Actually, I think the team that has the best shot of winning it is UST.  Despite the one point loss at CSB last week Wednesday night, this team is finding ways to win and may have finally put it all together after a roller coaster ride earlier in the year.  I still think Concordia is the best team in the league but they're not playing like it right now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: D3BballRocks on February 23, 2009, 08:04:40 PM
As I read Katch's stats it looks like she has reached those numbers that the MIAC website and the UST site tout. I think it is also important to note that although a couple of her numbers are down, (while others are up) there is, at the very least one more game to play. So those few numbers that Katch is slightly down at this point may be closer than they appear once the last game is played and the final stats posted.

I have to agree with Willy Wonka, from what I have seen, heard and read she certainly is the most well rounded player in the league history. She is one fun player to watch.

If you took her out of the UST equation, where would the women's UST b-ball team be?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on February 24, 2009, 08:21:55 AM
Quote from: D3BballRocks on February 23, 2009, 08:04:40 PM

If you took her out of the UST equation, where would the women's UST b-ball team be?

They'd be at about the same place without Katch... between 3rd and 5th in the Miac having an underachieving season after they were picked to win the conference during the preseason.  Now take Fruedenberg from Concordia... and they might not make the playoffs. 

Both are deserving players, but as far as the arguement of who is more valuable to their team i think it is Fruedenberg.  I still believe that St. Thomas has the deepest team in the conference which works against Katch's value.  They have 3 or 4 players that had significant playing time last year are now role players coming off the bench. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on February 24, 2009, 02:55:31 PM
How does everyone feel about the upcoming conference tournament?  Anyone going to be able to knock off St. Benedict?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 24, 2009, 05:35:40 PM
Predictions for tonight:

Gustavus 62
Bethel 53

St. Thomas 64
Hamline 60
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 25, 2009, 02:42:40 AM
Quote from: PRF07 on February 24, 2009, 08:21:55 AM
Quote from: D3BballRocks on February 23, 2009, 08:04:40 PM

If you took her out of the UST equation, where would the women's UST b-ball team be?

They'd be at about the same place without Katch... between 3rd and 5th in the Miac having an underachieving season after they were picked to win the conference during the preseason.  Now take Fruedenberg from Concordia... and they might not make the playoffs.

That's being a little dramatic, don't you think? UST was picked to finish tied for first in the preseason polls. It finished third, one game out of second. While somewhat disappointing, is that really as clear cut of an "underachieving season" as you say?

The Tommies took a LONG time to pick a starting lineup, finally settling on two freshman, a sophomore and a junior to go with their MVP candidate. That was obviously a factor in the early offensive struggles (ie the returning upperclassmen were awful)...but couldn't you make a strong case that the senior leader kept the team in contention through the tough times? The Tommies closed the year by winning 10 of 11. The lone loss was a 47-46 defeat at St. Bens, which is hardly something to hang your head about.

To further that point, UST had 12 different girls get at least one start this year. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that's the most in the conference. The Cobbers appeared to have four regulars and one spot rotating between two players. That makes a huge difference in terms of cohesion and chemistry that each star had to work with.

I have no horse in this race, and I've never seen Freudenberg play, but that seems like a pretty flimsy argument against Katch, PRF07. If you want to point to anything, Katch's 0-2 record against the Cobbers would seem to have more substance. However, even that pokes holes in your one-person team theory...since Freudenberg shot 6-23 and didn't exactly bring much else to the table in the two wins.

Thus, the only conclusion I can logically draw is...Thursday's game between the two should be fun to watch :)

Personally, if I had a say, Katch would get my vote. She's probably the best defensive player in the league and I tend to appreciate that more than most. If I had to bet on who will win, Freudenberg is my choice. Coaches like the scoring and will likely reward her for the team's surprising second-place finish.

Willy Wonka
Katch's Senior Press Secretary

PS — While postseason clearly doesn't factor into the MVP equation, Katch went for 18-7-9 with two steals and two blocks tonight. She also hit the go-ahead basket in the final minute. I don't care who you are, that's an amazing performance.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 25, 2009, 08:22:22 AM
Yet ANOTHER disappointing home loss for the Gusties as Bethel cruises to a 75-59 win in St. Peter.  I didn't expect big things from GAC this year but the way they went out is truly disappointing as they simply had no answers for Bethel's 2-3 zone "D".  Give due credit to Bethel, though, as Autumn Beasley was a thorn in the Gusties side all night long.  I think they have an exciting future ahead of them with not only Beasley but also with Grejtak, Sheley, and Kristen Wolters all returning next season.   Can they knock off CSB Thursday night?  We'll see.

I haven't weighed in on the MVP talk yet but I think Katch is the clear-cut favorite here.  She has simply willed UST to some clutch wins lately; particularly the last two games (Saturday in the regular season finale with Hamline and the playoff rematch last night).  Freudenberg of Concordia certainly has to be in the mix and I also think Annegret Nautsch of Bethel and Jessica Heinen of Hamline deserve consideration as well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on February 25, 2009, 08:50:27 AM
Should be a good matchup tomorrow in St. Joseph...

Beasley seems to be playing strong down the stretch.  Key to the game will be Frank, Tauer, and Guillind and how they can handle the Bethel zone.  Last time the two teams played those 3 were able to get the high low working to perfection which really put a lot of stress on the Bethel 2-3 zone.  Looking forward to a good matchup.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 26, 2009, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: PRF07 on February 25, 2009, 08:50:27 AM
Should be a good matchup tomorrow in St. Joseph...

Beasley seems to be playing strong down the stretch.  Key to the game will be Frank, Tauer, and Guillind and how they can handle the Bethel zone.  Last time the two teams played those 3 were able to get the high low working to perfection which really put a lot of stress on the Bethel 2-3 zone.  Looking forward to a good matchup.



Part of that I think is how incredibly well CSB passes the ball; they're by far and away the best passing team I've seen.  That ball really moves around when they have the rock. 

Hopefully the impending snow we're supposed to be getting later on today won't disrupt anything.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on March 01, 2009, 09:49:58 AM
Blazers beat concordia last nightfor 3rd time this year... Average victory was by 12+points.  I don't think there is much doubt that CSB is well above the rest in the conference this year.

Hopefully CSB  gets to host and can win a game or two and get the MIAC off the slide they've been on lately. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 05:28:37 PM
D3 hoops is projecting that Moorhead gets in.  I don't see it, but they do.....and they know more than me.  They say both MIAC teams and Simpson would be sent to UWEC for a pod.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2009, 05:51:02 PM
Now to Stevens Point -- we had an error in logic originally.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 01, 2009, 07:51:46 PM
Why not, we might as well get screwed by the committee one more time.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on March 01, 2009, 07:58:17 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on March 01, 2009, 07:51:46 PM
Why not, we might as well get screwed by the committee one more time.

For the blazers to get to host that roughly means the committee is considering the blazers one of the top 16 teams in the nation.  Being that they weren't ranked before this week a jump to #16 is quite a stretch.  (I understand that the top 25 does not mean much to the committee, but it is a good measuring tool) A matchup with Simpson and then the a chance to play the best in the wiac would be a great opportunity for this blazer team.  The one thing that would upset me is if somehow the blazers end up against a wiac team in the first round or if 2 wiac teams are named hosts before the blazers.

Other than that I think it's all positive for this team.  Not a lot is expected out of the miac this year, hopefully they can surprise some people.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: D3BballRocks on March 01, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: PRF07 on February 24, 2009, 08:21:55 AM
Quote from: D3BballRocks on February 23, 2009, 08:04:40 PM

If you took her out of the UST equation, where would the women's UST b-ball team be?

They'd be at about the same place without Katch... between 3rd and 5th in the Miac having an underachieving season after they were picked to win the conference during the preseason.  Now take Fruedenberg from Concordia... and they might not make the playoffs. 

Both are deserving players, but as far as the arguement of who is more valuable to their team i think it is Fruedenberg.  I still believe that St. Thomas has the deepest team in the conference which works against Katch's value.  They have 3 or 4 players that had significant playing time last year are now role players coming off the bench. 

I was on the NCAA website http://ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary where you can find the top 500, nationally ranked players in each conference. They have Katch ranked in the top 500 nationally in 7 out of 10 categories. With Dee Prioleau (408th place) sharing in only one of the categories, blocked shots, (Katch being ranked 114th in blocked shots).

Now, Look up Concordia, specifically Freudenberg, she is listed in 6 of the 10 categories, along with 3 OTHER TEAMATES being listed in the top 500 nationally. Concordia is much deeper than you might like to believe. Your reasoning for Freudenberg being MVP doesn't add up.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: PRF07 on March 01, 2009, 07:58:17 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on March 01, 2009, 07:51:46 PM
Why not, we might as well get screwed by the committee one more time.

For the blazers to get to host that roughly means the committee is considering the blazers one of the top 16 teams in the nation.  Being that they weren't ranked before this week a jump to #16 is quite a stretch.  (I understand that the top 25 does not mean much to the committee, but it is a good measuring tool) A matchup with Simpson and then the a chance to play the best in the wiac would be a great opportunity for this blazer team.  The one thing that would upset me is if somehow the blazers end up against a wiac team in the first round or if 2 wiac teams are named hosts before the blazers.

Other than that I think it's all positive for this team.  Not a lot is expected out of the miac this year, hopefully they can surprise some people.
Ideally, the top 2 teams in each of the 8 regions host (I know it doesn't always happen).  Below are last weeks regional rankings:

West Region
1. George Fox 20-0 25-0
2. St. Benedict 22-3 22-3
3. Simpson 18-3 22-3
4. Concordia-Moorhead 17-5 18-7
5. St. Thomas 18-7 18-7
6. Redlands 18-6 19-6

St. Bens is ranked 2nd and probably will remain there.  So they are in position to host.  Now weather it will happen or not remains to be seen.  They could possibly have 3 central teams host (taking one from the west), sending St. Bens somewhere else.  What I am getting at here is that its not totally out of question that St. Bens could host.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on March 01, 2009, 08:59:34 PM
Quote from: D3BballRocks on March 01, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: PRF07 on February 24, 2009, 08:21:55 AM
Quote from: D3BballRocks on February 23, 2009, 08:04:40 PM


  They have 3 or 4 players that had significant playing time last year are now role players coming off the bench. 
Your reasoning for Freudenberg being MVP doesn't add up.

Doesn't look too confusing to me.  I guess I could have clarified bench depth as part of my reasoning if that would have been more clear for you.  Either way both players are deserving and definitely a step above the rest of the players in the conference at this point.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: granny14 on March 01, 2009, 09:11:54 PM
It is good to hear a few opinions again.  Sounds as though it is a guessing game until tomorrow am. 

At any rate, does St. Ben's really have adequate space to host 3 other teams?  Also, how are the refs selected? 

Tomorrow can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2009, 10:27:07 PM
CSB; with its record plus the fact that they not only were regular-season champs but also were champs of the MIAC Tournament with their MIAC Championship game win over Concordia last night SHOULD be enough for them to get to host the first couple of rounds.  If they wind up getting sent across the River to face a WIAC team right off the bat or out to Oregon in George Fox's backyard something is definitely wrong with the process. 

Congrats to both CSB and Concordia on their seasons this year.  Hope you both represent the MIAC well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: granny14 on March 01, 2009, 09:11:54 PM

At any rate, does St. Ben's really have adequate space to host 3 other teams?  Also, how are the refs selected? 

I believe they would be good to go.  Depending on what teams they would host, they could clear the gym in between games on Friday.

The main factors in hosting are 1) did you fill out the paperwork and 2) is the court long enough.

I would think St Bens qualifies for both
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 11:33:30 AM
St. Bens hosts, I think they play Ripon.

Simpson vs UWW
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 11:35:22 AM
Concordia Moorhead gets in.  They go to Point.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Concordia-WI statistics are here:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/sports/basketball_women/statistics/2008-09/cuw.htm
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 05, 2009, 02:34:48 PM
I see that the MIAC post-season awards came out earlier today.  You know, I find it incredibly interesting that in the last 10 years or so Mike Durbin of CSB is never chosen for this award.  And nothing against Jessica Rahman of Concordia who did get it; she's a fine coach in her own right.  But how is it when you win 20+ games seemingly every season and have your team at or near the top of the conference every time you get bypassed?  In this case, all MD was win BOTH the regular season title AND the MIAC tournament and compile yet another great W-L record while losing starter Mindy Schmidt in the process and having the 3rd best talent in the league behind Bethel and Concordia?  Memo to MIAC coaches:  Would it be too much to ask to be a BIT more creative in the COY selection process rather than simply knocking down a few cold ones, perhaps smoking a joint or two and playing "Spin the Bottle" in the process?  C'mon.

Also, HOW does Jessica Katch of UST NOT get MVP?  Huh??????  Again, nothing against Jenna Freudenberg of Concordia who did get it.  All Katch did was hold together a rag-tag UST team that was beset with a player defection, wracked with self-doubt, and humiliated in some lopsided losses together to go on a tear in the stretch run and narrowly miss out getting back to the MIAC Championship game.  There is simply NO, no way, tacoroo,  that UST does what it did this year w/o Katch. 

Granted, it's a travesty it took Jack Youngblood as long as it did to get into the NFL's Hall of Fame but this year's MIAC awards are a complete, utterly defenseless joke. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on March 05, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
LA Rams, thanks for bringing me back from the posting dead.  It took another snub of Durbin to make a return to this board.  It's clear that the coaches are filled with petty jealousy when it comes to Mike Durbin.  I guess success breeds contempt from peers, but I would have hoped the rest of the coaches were above that. 

In one coach we have someone with the services of the Player of the Year and yet landed 3 games back of the conference champs and failed to beat them in 3 attempts.  In another coach you have someone who lost his best player, rattled off 10 consecutive victories and remains the only coach to have the distinction of guiding a team to both an outright regular season title and tourney title in the same year (he's done it twice in three years now).

What's even more amazing is that everyone looks at CSB basketball and dismisses Durbin's work because of how deep and talented St. Ben's is.  I don't seem to recall any St. Ben's players being talked about for Player of the Year this year or last year for that matter.  Or was there an All-America player I am forgetting about?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 05, 2009, 07:14:01 PM
Like it or not, the coach of the year award, in the MIAC and in all college basketball conferences has come to mean the coach of the team who did better than expected. The only way the coach of the team favored to win the conference gets the award is if that team goes undefeated or maybe has one loss in the conference. Whether that's right or not, that's how it is.

As for MVP, I liked the Freudenberg selection. Called for it several weeks ago, so I was not shocked at all.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: carletonsid on March 05, 2009, 07:48:25 PM
Quote from: scorekeeper on March 05, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
LA Rams, thanks for bringing me back from the posting dead.  It took another snub of Durbin to make a return to this board.  It's clear that the coaches are filled with petty jealousy when it comes to Mike Durbin.  I guess success breeds contempt from peers, but I would have hoped the rest of the coaches were above that. 

In one coach we have someone with the services of the Player of the Year and yet landed 3 games back of the conference champs and failed to beat them in 3 attempts.  In another coach you have someone who lost his best player, rattled off 10 consecutive victories and remains the only coach to have the distinction of guiding a team to both an outright regular season title and tourney title in the same year (he's done it twice in three years now).

What's even more amazing is that everyone looks at CSB basketball and dismisses Durbin's work because of how deep and talented St. Ben's is.  I don't seem to recall any St. Ben's players being talked about for Player of the Year this year or last year for that matter.  Or was there an All-America player I am forgetting about?

I was thinking you were wrong, that Carleton did both in 2005, but that was the year CSB beat Carleton at West Gym for the playoff title. That sure was a great game... probably the best I've seen in 10 years of MIAC women's basketball.

Love what Jessica did this year, but both you and gacbacker are correct. I thought Mike should have been COY, but it seems to go to those coaches whose teams do better than expected. Heck, Roy Williams (UNC) won the year after his team won the national title (2005-06) and it looks like Bill Self (KU) will do the same this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 05, 2009, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 05, 2009, 07:14:01 PM
Like it or not, the coach of the year award, in the MIAC and in all college basketball conferences has come to mean the coach of the team who did better than expected. The only way the coach of the team favored to win the conference gets the award is if that team goes undefeated or maybe has one loss in the conference. Whether that's right or not, that's how it is.

As for MVP, I liked the Freudenberg selection. Called for it several weeks ago, so I was not shocked at all.

I can buy that argument - up to a certain point.  Certainly there have been situations where that was warranted (see Mickey Haller in '06 and Gary Rufsvold in '07).  But in 10 YEARS time he doesn't get it once??  I'm sorry......I just think there's something seriously wrong with that picture. 

I don't have that HUGE of a problem with Freudenberg getting the MVP.  Absolutely she deserved to be in the mix along with Annegret Nautsch of Bethel.  But when you take a look at UST and how out of sorts that team was at the beginning of the season and even as the season progressed it was Katch who was the glue that held that team together and helped make it better; that allowed that team to be one of the hottest teams coming down the stretch.  There's just simply no way UST does that - even as freshman Sears  and soph Theisen blossomed - w/o Katch's presence on the floor. 

Unfortunately, just looking at the MIAC site earlier today I saw the complete listing of names/awards and, quite honestly, I saw some names on there (and names that weren't on there) that caused me to wonder if the MIAC coaches are either that out of touch or are just playing their little political games.  The whole thing is just an embarrassment, really, and an utter waste of time the way it's going.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on March 05, 2009, 09:29:10 PM
I think we all end up choosing a player of the year based on how well they played against the teams we see most often.  For me I would have to pick Katch because of how she excelled on both ends of the floor in the two games I saw her play CSB.  Unfortunately, I was not in Moorhead to see Freudenberg drop 34 on the Blazers so it's hard for me to know how incredible she was that day beyond the total number of points scored.  I guess you could say it was a toss up between those two.

I cannot figure out where the Nautch following comes from.  She was okay, but I wouldn't even put her in the top 5.   Her status as pre-season All-America was highly overrated.  She was a complete ghost when matched against Frank all three times this year.  Her backup Hormig proved to be the better player in the tournament game against CSB.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on March 05, 2009, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: scorekeeper on March 05, 2009, 09:29:10 PM


I cannot figure out where the Nautch following comes from.  She was okay, but I wouldn't even put her in the top 5.   Her status as pre-season All-America was highly overrated.  She was a complete ghost when matched against Frank all three times this year.  Her backup Hormig proved to be the better player in the tournament game against CSB.

Completely agree...

Nautsch was completely frustrated and almost punched a ref/teammate during the CSB playoff game.  Hormig was much more effective during that game until she ran out of steam at the end.  Beasly was clearly the player carrying bethel at the end of the season... Big game against Gustavus and such.  Not sure what games you have been watching...must be the home bethel games with the ridiculous inflated blocks for Nautsch.

Any predictions on how this weekend goes?  any predictions on the miac teams winning a few instead of being swept out like last year?



Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on March 05, 2009, 10:47:27 PM
I think CSB and Concordia received the most favorable matchups possible in the first round so I predict they both advance.  However, given what I have seen from the MIAC recently I would hesitate to pick either of them to get past a WIAC team.  I really want to pick St. Ben's to get to the sweet 16, mainly because they are at home.  However, I am nervous about how much longer they can keep this winning streak alive without Mindy Schmidt. Once a deep and talented team like Whitewater or Simpson goes up against the Blazers I think they will finally run out of magic without somewhat like Schmidt to turn to for points.  If Defense truly wins championships then CSB will have a shot to make some noise.

The Cobbers intrigue me with their style of play because they might cause some serious matchup problems for any back to the basket teams. However, while a post oriented team might struggle to guard Concordia they should be able to pile up points in the paint.  Nord cannot disappear like she did against St. Ben's in the MIAC title game, especially if Freudenberg is not 100%.  I hope she is doing okay after receiving a huge gash above her eye early in the game last Saturday.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 05, 2009, 11:08:10 PM
Durbin again gets passes over for coach of the year.  ??? The only possible explanation is jealousy. Everyone knows he is the best coach in the MIAC and certainly one of the best ever coaches in womens basketball. 500 wins, MIAC championships, etc etc..  What a shame they don't have the guts to put aside their jealousy of his success.  >:(If you had to change the rational for the coach of the year, doing the most with the least, my vote goes to the coach from Macalester. :-\
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 11:43:53 PM
St. Bens over Ripon, 55-42.

WI beats MN in the battle of the Concordias, 76-72.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 10:29:20 PM
Good win for St. Bens over UWW.  I started watching the last 7 minutes or so on the video cast.  I was impressed with the play of the posts.  They had some good moves around the basket.

Good luck against Wash U!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 08, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
Was at CSB for both Friday night tilts and last night's battle between UW-Whitewater and CSB.  Ariel Tauer was freaking awesome for CSB last night; she simply refused to let her team lose - period.  That's simply one of the best performances I've seen by one player in a long, long time.  What she did last night for the Blazers was senior leadership at its best.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on March 08, 2009, 03:56:26 PM
Ariel Tauer certainly was fun to watch last night.  It's always exciting to see a senior play their best game when it counts the most.  I was very nervous about how the game would go when Whitewater ran off 14 consecutive points early, but CSB gained their composure and cut down on some turnovers.  Laura Canton hit some big 3's and Danielle Frank was a monster on the board.  I was also very impressed with Amy Stifter's defense on UWW's top guard and her offensive rebounding (especially on two missed free throws).  I thought the Technical on Berg from Whitewater really helped change the momentum of the game back to the Blazers. 

Now it's on to Bloomington IL and "rematch" with Wash U that is 10 years in the making.  Looking to face Wash U brings back some great memories of the trip to Danbury for the Final Four in '99.  I hope St. Ben's can keep up the defensive pressure.  If so, they should at least give themselves a good shot to move on.  Tough bracket though with the #1 team in undefeated IWU, WIAC's champ UWSP and perennial power Wash U.  It should be fun. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF07 on March 08, 2009, 05:46:35 PM
Great game at CSB last night.  After watching them and whitewater play friday night I thought the blazers were going to be in for a very long night saturday.  That definitely ended up not being the case.  CSB looked like they belonged all night and were relentless from start to finish.  Tauer, Stifter and Frank were all over the place defensively.  Bowlin & Carter played two of the best games I've ever seen for not even getting on the scoreboard.  They were able to keep the team composed and directed the offense to perfection. 

So... the Miac ends up with the same amount of teams in the sweet 16 as the Wiac.  Hopefully the Miac brings in some solid freshmen next year and can become an even more competitive conference. The blazers have given themselves a chance this year and that's all they can ask for.  I expect them to play all out next weekend and lets hope the ball bounces the right way for them.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 13, 2009, 06:31:30 PM
St. Bens and WashU will be video streamed according to the IWU website.

http://www.iwusports.com/sports/2009/3/8/WBB_0308093306.aspx?id=89 (http://www.iwusports.com/sports/2009/3/8/WBB_0308093306.aspx?id=89)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 13, 2009, 11:08:13 PM
St. Ben's season comes to an end as they fall to Wash U
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on August 04, 2009, 03:00:36 PM
Hate to make this the first post in a long while but Danielle Frank has announced her transfer to LaCrosse. She will be a huge loss and greatly missed on and off the court. Good luck Danielle.  :'( :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on August 04, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
Also, Maggie Bryant has changed mind and will be attending UST instead of CSB. She committed to CSB and played in summer leagues with CSB players and worked camps but changed directions. I guess UST believes its ok to keep recruiting after players commit.  ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on August 06, 2009, 07:57:58 AM
Yeah, heard the news about both Frank and Bryant last night at the summer league.  So much for CSB repeating this next season, huh?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on August 07, 2009, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on August 06, 2009, 07:57:58 AM
Yeah, heard the news about both Frank and Bryant last night at the summer league.  So much for CSB repeating this next season, huh?
Durbin has a bag of tricks like no other coach, and a deep bench and a great incoming class. AND now, added incentive, (like we need more), to beat UST. I guess the lack of ethics in college recruiting has now sunk to the D3 level, at least at UST. >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on August 07, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on August 04, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
Also, Maggie Bryant has changed mind and will be attending UST instead of CSB. She committed to CSB and played in summer leagues with CSB players and worked camps but changed directions. I guess UST believes its ok to keep recruiting after players commit.  ???

Please.

This isn't D1, or even D2. Until someone sets foot on campus in the fall or signs a scholarship at a higher level, they remain fair game. Besides, isn't it also possible that she didn't like the players/coaches/atmosphere and decided to go a different direction after the initial taste?

Why did Frank decide to transfer? Was it academic, athletic or strictly personal reasons?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on August 07, 2009, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on August 07, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on August 04, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
Also, Maggie Bryant has changed mind and will be attending UST instead of CSB. She committed to CSB and played in summer leagues with CSB players and worked camps but changed directions. I guess UST believes its ok to keep recruiting after players commit.  ???

Please.

This isn't D1, or even D2. Until someone sets foot on campus in the fall or signs a scholarship at a higher level, they remain fair game. Besides, isn't it also possible that she didn't like the players/coaches/atmosphere and decided to go a different direction after the initial taste?

Why did Frank decide to transfer? Was it academic, athletic or strictly personal reasons?
Please?? Once a player at the D3 level has committed to a coach, registered for school, been interviewed in the paper and was announced in the paper, it is, in my opinion, unethical for competing coaches to recruit a player with that knowledge.  You are right about a player changing his/her mind right up until 1st day of school. It is not ok for a competing coach to continue to recruit! As far as Frank..The paper $aid it wa$ about her major, I believe there are other rea$on$. :'(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on August 07, 2009, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on August 07, 2009, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on August 07, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on August 04, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
Also, Maggie Bryant has changed mind and will be attending UST instead of CSB. She committed to CSB and played in summer leagues with CSB players and worked camps but changed directions. I guess UST believes its ok to keep recruiting after players commit.  ???

Please.

This isn't D1, or even D2. Until someone sets foot on campus in the fall or signs a scholarship at a higher level, they remain fair game. Besides, isn't it also possible that she didn't like the players/coaches/atmosphere and decided to go a different direction after the initial taste?

Why did Frank decide to transfer? Was it academic, athletic or strictly personal reasons?
Please?? Once a player at the D3 level has committed to a coach, registered for school, been interviewed in the paper and was announced in the paper, it is, in my opinion, unethical for competing coaches to recruit a player with that knowledge.  You are right about a player changing his/her mind right up until 1st day of school. It is not ok for a competing coach to continue to recruit! As far as Frank..The paper $aid it wa$ about her major, I believe there are other rea$on$. :'(

You are obviously more familiar with the situation than myself (would it change your mind if the player contacted the coach about, uh, uncommitting?), but I'm still not sure I can agree with your point. We're talking about a world where Letters of Intent are basically worthless at the D1 level these days. It was only a matter of time before we experienced some trickly down effect.

As a newspaper guy, I completely understand Frank the Tank's ability/willingness to crank out recruiting news on SJU/CSB. But many (most?) of the league won't even talk specific recruits with alumni for fear of them changing their mind at the last second. There is no binding contract to be signed (LoI), which makes the recruiting process tricky, to say the least. For better or for worse, putting recruiting info in the paper doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen at the D3 level.

Speaking from personal experience, I wasn't sure whether or not I was going to play football at GAC until the week before fall camp began...and then I ended up leading the team in TD catches as a freshman. Strange things can and often do happen.

As an aside, I've heard less-than-flattering reviews of Sinn as coach. Late recruiting/ethics sketchiness would simply add to that list.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on August 10, 2009, 08:05:29 AM
Willy,

I'd be hesitant to put Sinn on the same level as Cheatey Petey Pom Pom over at U$C.

From a purely ethics/shady practices standpoint there are other coaches in the MIAC who garner far, far more consideration than RS.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on August 11, 2009, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on August 10, 2009, 08:05:29 AM
Willy,

I'd be hesitant to put Sinn on the same level as Cheatey Petey Pom Pom over at U$C.

From a purely ethics/shady practices standpoint there are other coaches in the MIAC who garner far, far more consideration than RS.
Name one!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on October 06, 2009, 11:27:35 AM
It is almost that time again for another great year in the MIAC.  Being from Southern Minnesota, which games should I mark down on my calander to go see this year?   St. Benedict and St. Thomas are they the cream of the crop this year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on October 20, 2009, 11:12:54 PM
Guess I've been putting this off for too long and considering how my two favorite football teams (L.A. Rams and UCLA) are seeing their seasons quickly going down the tubes I thought it was time to play Carnac the Magnificent and offer my bold predictions for the upcoming 2009-10 season.

The Contenders:

1.  UST - Hands down the favorite this year.  I thought after last year that this might be something of a rebuilding/reloading year for them minus Katch (who SHOULD have got MVP award), Gillard, Wirtz, et al - until Sinn landed St. Cloud St. transfer Rachel Booth and Maggie Bryant.  Booth alone is an incredible addition and she coud very well be the dominant player in the conference.  Mix in the returners from last year and some other new fresh faces and you've got the team that should win both the regular season and playoff titles.

2.  Concordia - I have a bunch of mixed feelings about this team.  I thought at one point last season they were the best team in the conference.  But they faded badly down the stretch and went out meekly in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament.  And now Jenna Fruedenberg has graduated and moved on as well.  Still, I think this team has enough returning talent to be a force

3.  CSB - Perhaps something of a rebuilding year for Mike Durbin's program that was unexpectedly rocked with the transfers of Frank and Bryant from the program.  While I think another run at the MIAC title is out of reach for them, there's too much returning talent and MD's simply too good of a coach to let this program slip too far so you should count on them being in the mix at least; a solid playoff contender for sure.

4. GAC - Okay, where do I start with this group?  They may very well be the most talented team overall in the conference with Molly Geske along with senior leaders Julia Schultz and Bri Radtke.  Also, the new recruiting class brought in is nothing short of amazing.  So why is it this team ALWAYS finds a way to fold like a bunch flimsies and break your heart into a zillion little pieces?  I personally have been asking myself this question for a few years now and still have not been able to come up with an answer.   This team COULD win the MIAC IF it could somehow find some toughness and rebounding ability and NOT fold a la the Chicago Cubs.  If everything comes together this could be the best GAC season since that magical season of 2002-03.  If not, it could be even more of a disappointment than last year.  The guess here is that they'll somehow find a way to snare the 4th spot - and then do the quick exit - stage right - like last season.


The Middle Of The Pack:

St. Kate's, Hamline, Bethel, Macalester

Pull a rabbit out of your hat on how/where you want to rank these squads.  I think Macalester may very well be a team to keep your eye on this year.  In the end, I think Bethel and St. Kate's will nail down the 5th and 6th spots, respectively.     Hamline's best chance may have come and gone last year when they had 3rd place all to themselves in January and then did a big-time fade job.  The two late season choke jobs against UST did nothing for the long-term prospects of this program either.


The Cellar Dwellers:

Carleton, St. Olaf, Augsburg, SMU

Hard to believe that the once-mighty Carleton program took a rather hard tumble down the proverbial stairs but that's exactly what happened this last season.  I just don't see things radically improving on the east side of Northfield anytime soon.  Ditto for crosstown rival St. Olaf which graduated Elyse Erickson.  Augsburg and SMU may snare a few wins here and there but it's difficult to imagine them doing much more.    
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on October 28, 2009, 02:10:29 PM
Thanks for the insight into the conference season.  Should be a fun one to watch.  Have any teams scrimmaged yet?  Or do you know when certain teams scrimmage?  I have an itch to get out and see some basketball  ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on October 29, 2009, 07:34:01 AM
I watched St. Kate's scrimmage earlier this week against Anoka-Ramsey CC; they look pretty decent.  Hope to catch them again this next week.  Also might be able to watch Macalester scrimmage this next week against Anoka-Ramsey as well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on October 29, 2009, 10:08:02 AM
Thanks!  Any other known scrimmages?  What about up in the Minneapolis area?  Augsburg? St. Thomas?  My wife likes that idea because then she can shopping  ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 18, 2009, 09:42:55 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Great win for the Blazers last night against EauClaire. The BlueGolds are massive underneath. 6'5, 6'2, 6'1 with one 6' guard. Blazers beat them with 3 point shots and scrappy play by Guilland and Morgan Dale underneath. Stifter had 28 points with good scoring spread around by the rest. Congrats to the team and Durbin for a great start. Durbin is of course no COY but it will be amazing if he can have a good season after losing 3 starters off last years team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2009, 06:33:38 PM
Stout defeats St. Bens, 85-76.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BDB on November 30, 2009, 11:39:31 AM
Congrats to St. Benedict's for having a very nice squad.

Well coached, great hustle.

Particularly liked the #23.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 02, 2009, 10:20:26 PM
Gusties over Carleton
Bens over Bethel
Cobbers handle Tommies with ease  :o

I've got three early candidates for MVP this year and they all had big games tonight...

Bri Radtke with 15 points, 13 assists, 4 steals tonight for the Gusties
Amy Stifter with 23 points, 5 rebounds for the Blazers
Laura Kalbfell with 24 points for St. Kate's tonight in their win over Olaf
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on December 03, 2009, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 02, 2009, 10:20:26 PM

Cobbers handle Tommies with ease  :o


Cobbers only lost at Stevens Point by 2 a couple weeks ago.  A very good loss, especially considering Point lost at #1-ranked IWU by just a few points last week.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Cobbers are in the thick of the MIAC race late in the season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 07, 2009, 08:35:31 AM
Big step forward by the Gusties as they gritted out a TOUGH 66-61 home win over a very good Concordia team.  I still have some concerns here and there but one element that I think that could go a long way in possibly taking GAC to that long-awaited MIAC title is the senior leadership of Schultz, Radtke, Layman, and Steffenhagen.  Was also impressed with FY phenom Abby Rothenbuler who was a monster on the boards Saturday.

Elsewhere, UST is still presumably solid despite the second consecutive a$$-kicking they suffered in their home opener to Concordia last week as they held off pesky St. Olaf.  Still, a lot of question marks swirling around these teams:  St. Kate's, Hamline, and Bethel.  Mac, with their road win at Hamline, is out to 2-0 in the conference and could be a team to keep your eye on.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on December 07, 2009, 10:34:38 PM
The Gusties held Jess Miller to 13-for-14 from the field tonight, but still managed a 74-66 win at SMU. Think they might miss Aaron Kahl?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 07, 2009, 10:58:03 PM
CSB found a post tonight when Guilland got into foul trouble. Wilcox, 1st yr. player from Cretin D.H. scored 18 and dominated the boards. she might be the find of the year for Durbin if she can keep playing anywhere close to how she did tonight.  ;D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 19, 2009, 02:34:54 PM
It looks like I'm talking to myself here but at least i won't lose any arguments. If a tree falls in the woods and nobody's there does it make any noise?? If nobody else reads this have i really said anything?? Just in care.... at the half way mark, ok 7 or 8 game mark, Durbin seems a lock on COY. Not even the Sinner at UST could dispute it or the "just let them play" coach at Bethel. I know its pretty early, actually barely started but some 1st impressions are formulated. CSB has started better than even i expected, durbin had to replace the best athelete even to play at CSB, Tauer, the best point guard ever to play, Carter, potentially the best post and certainly a very strong presence, Frank, his top incoming transfer and 4 spot starter, (pulled out and went to UST). WOW, thats why if things keep progressing he should be COY.    Potentially the biggest FLOP, UST. If it happens, it couldn't happen to a better recipient, the Sinner. So much talent?? My nomination for been there done that again coach. Bethel. Best new coach in the MIAC, Macalester, it will be scary when she starts getting more top talent. Very very early but its shaping up to be an exciting January Feb.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 19, 2009, 11:48:57 PM
Blazerguy-

I agree that Durbin is the front runner for coach of the year, but your statements about Tauer and Carter are preposterous. Especially the one about Carter. Did you forget about Michelle Barlau?

I think St. Ben's, Gustavus, St. Thomas and Concordia are going to have a fun race for the conference championship and the automatic NCAA bid.

I think Macalester, Hamline and St. Kate's will battle for the final two MIAC playoff spots with a slight edge to Macalester and Hamline.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 20, 2009, 06:32:47 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 19, 2009, 11:48:57 PM
Blazerguy-

I agree that Durbin is the front runner for coach of the year, but your statements about Tauer and Carter are preposterous. Especially the one about Carter. Did you forget about Michelle Barlau?

I think St. Ben's, Gustavus, St. Thomas and Concordia are going to have a fun race for the conference championship and the automatic NCAA bid.

I think Macalester, Hamline and St. Kate's will battle for the final two MIAC playoff spots with a slight edge to Macalester and Hamline.
You may be right about Barlau, i do think carter is a better pure point guard and i always looked at Barlau as a 2 guard even when she was at point. Carter's stats for turnovers was unbelievable and she was certainly the best ever at controlling the ball. i will take issue at my Tauer being the best ever athlete. Not only was she the best in recent times, she was by a long shot!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 27, 2009, 12:24:41 AM
Blazerguy - As much as MD deserves COY and as much as I'd like to see him get it you KNOW he won't get it.  He could go unbeaten; win the regular season and tourney titles; make a strong run in the Dance again, and then stand on his head at the end and he still won't get it.  I think I've been through this one before.....

A lot of question marks as the first of the year looms around the corner and the MIAC wars begin in full force.  Bethel,  I THOUGHT was primed for a strong year after their performance last season.  Of course, that was BEFORE I found out that FY phenom Autumn Beasley is not on the team this year.  Bethel is in a total free fall and it's hard to say when (or if) the bleeding will stop.  A lot of new faces and struggles at the post position have not helped.  As with Gacbacker, I have to think that the biggest beneficiaries of Bethel's downfall would have to be Hamline and Macalester.  Hamline obviously has not played their best ball yet and they have struggled a little at times.  Mac rebounded after a slow start although they have yet to prove they can beat the upper echelon teams on a regular basis.  St. Kate's SHOULD be a lock on the 5th spot but they already have shown signs of inconsistency at the PG position and a LOT of turnovers that could jeopardize their hopes.

Not sure what to think about UST at this point either.  Just like last year, they had to endure a conference-opening a$$-kicking at home against Concordia.  The thing that concerns me about UST this year is that they do not have that leadership element like they had last year with Katch.  GAC, on the other hand, has started fast and looked pretty decent in doing it.  But, we have seen the Gusties pull these tease jobs before only to crash frighteningly back to earth.  Concordia still looks very solid despite being w/o Freudenberg.  CSB so far has been defying the naysayers and is looking good at the moment. 

Interesting discussion about Carter, Tauer, and Michelle Barlau.  I was so impressed with both Carter and Tauer at the NCAA 1st and 2nd round games at CSB this last season.  Tauer refused to let her team lose and Carter was just so solid at the PG spot so it'd be tough for me to go against Carter.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIAC ball on January 01, 2010, 12:43:04 PM
Do we know what happened to Jenna Green from Concordia yet? She is not on their roster after a superb first year campaign
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 02, 2010, 09:18:20 PM
Was at the Leonard Center early this afternoon to watch the dismantling of supposed powerhouse UST by feisty Macaleter 60-41.  I would be VERY, very concerned if I were UST right now.  This team, for all the talent it has, is looking totally lost at the moment.  Sears and Theisen were turnover machines and Rachel Booth was rendered totally ineffective (again).  UST's fate was pretty much sealed once Booth picked up foul #3 right before the half.  I did like what some of the younger talent was able to contribute for the Tommies today; particularly Ali Johnson and Maggie Bryant but without senior leadership (and this team misses Jessica Katch big-time) this squad faces an uphill battle.  Meanwhile, I have to heap a lot of praises on Macalester for their biggest win yet.  Trina PaStarr and Ann Baltzer anchor a deceivingly tough front line and Danielle Johnson was solid at PG today.

Also watched co-leader GAC put it in cruise control in the late game this afternoon as the Gusties pounded St. Kate's.  I realize it's only January but this GAC squad may FINALLY have that one element that they've been lacking since that great '02-'03 team - being physical.  Perhaps even more important, they have great senior leadership and a bench that goes deeper than some nuclear subs.  I thing things are shaping up very nicely for GAC right now and it looks to me that they're the team to beat.

Wow, Concordia holding off Bethel 79-75 in two OT's.  Anybody at that game?   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 03, 2010, 07:06:57 PM
Congrats to Ellen Thompson for taking apart her alma mater that threw her to the curb in favor of Ruth Sinn. I bet that felt good.

If Gustavus can beat Macalester at home on Monday, I think it might be time to classify the MIAC as a two-horse race. Too early for that thought.

Unless St. Thomas and Concordia start playing better, Macalester may very well be the third best team in this league.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 04, 2010, 12:44:44 AM
Macalester has a great young coach, thankfully UST has Sinn and not Durbin or the Mac coach. Another great young coach is Mandy Pearson, she has great coaching instincts and is a true professional with coaching ethics, unlike Sinn.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 05, 2010, 07:51:48 AM
Ooooookay....can anyone out there PLEASE explain how the Gusties drop a home decision to up and coming Macalester - by 73-61 no less?  How is it that the vaunted Gustie defense allowed 50 (that's right, 50) second half points alone?  I KNEW I should have known better than to proclaim GAC the team to beat when in actuality they're still the same tease job they've always been. 

Was able to take in Concordia's rout of Augsburg and St. Kate's OT win over suddenly slumping UST last night.  Not sure what lies ahead for the Tommies but they blew a commanding 1st half lead and had turnovers and other mental mistakes do them in again.  It seems almost incomprehensible how a team with so much talent and promise can be circling the drain in early January.  It is OVER for them. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 05, 2010, 12:07:42 PM
L.A.-

It was a putrid effort on both ends of the court for the Gusties last night. The offense basically conisted of everyone standing around waiting for Radtke to make a one on one move for a lay-up.

The defense was tough to stomach. It appeared that the Gusties' game plan was to pack it in and not let PaStarr and Baltzer beat them. Unfortunately that left shooters WIDE WIDE open outside the arch, and the Scots, like most college teams will do, buried open three after open three, after open three.

The 50 points in the second half doesn't really bother me because a lot of that was on free throws in the final 2-3 minutes as the Gusties were trying to play catch-up with the clock stopped.

It's a disappointing loss because this is the one I fear that the Gusties will look back on and say, "Shoot if we had taken care of business there, we would have been tied for first place at the end of the year with St. Ben's."
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 06, 2010, 01:45:31 PM
Another critical round of games tonight that feature two very interesting contests involving current middle of the pack teams Hamline and UST.  Hamline goes down the River to play SMU at Winona and UST pays a visit to Bethel.  I think these two contests are almost must-wins for Hamline and UST respectively as they not only need to keep pace in the standings but they both need wins to rekindle any sembleance of confidence.  UST particularly is jonesing right now for a conference win and Bethel has been a thorn in the side for them lately and the Royals win at Hamline on Monday had better get the Tommies attention.

As for GAC, I simply feel that they MUST come out and make at statement tonight at St. Olaf.  If they want to be one of the elite teams in the conference then they have to hold serve against the teams they're supposed to beat; particularly at home and the Gusties failed miserably on that front Monday night vs. Mac.  The only team really capable of beating CSB right now is Concordia and right now the Gusties are going to need some help if they're still entertaining thoughts of winning the MIAC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 06, 2010, 09:17:52 PM
Macalester 75 Concordia 57 in Moorhead nonetheless!

Looks like the Scots are for real and that makes the loss the Gusties took the other day look not quite as bad.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 10, 2010, 01:13:41 AM
Strib story on Ellen Thompson and MAC basketball:

http://bit.ly/4ZzAu4

Never thought I would see St. Ben's , Gustavus and Macalester tied atop the conference this late into the season.

Big game Wednesdsay for the Gusties at St. Thomas. If the Gusties can pull out the win they would all but eliminate the Tommies from the conference title chase.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 10, 2010, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on January 10, 2010, 01:13:41 AM
Strib story on Ellen Thompson and MAC basketball:

http://bit.ly/4ZzAu4

Never thought I would see St. Ben's , Gustavus and Macalester tied atop the conference this late into the season.

Big game Wednesdsay for the Gusties at St. Thomas. If the Gusties can pull out the win they would all but eliminate the Tommies from the conference title chase.
Good luck on beating UST. Maybe coach Sinn will realize winning isn't everything, if she loses with a tainted squad.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 10, 2010, 08:52:13 PM
Thought I would try a little something different for a change.  Since the conference race, for the moment anyway, has turned into a 3-horse race I thought I would try something that I've seen used in my favorite sports blog (Bruins Nation) during the college football season.  It's the Pac 10 Conference Power Poll and I thought I could use the idea for the MIAC as well.  So, with that in mind, let me take a stab at it:

1.  GAC
2.  (tie) CSB & Macalester
3.  Concordia
4.  UST
5.  St. Kate's
6.  Hamline
7.  Carleton
8.  Bethel
9.  SMU
10. (tie) Augsburg & St. Olaf

I give GAC the edge here over conference co-leaders CSB and Mac although Mac has been on an incredibly hot streak lately.  They've probably played as well as anybody over the last week and a half.  I think what makes them a better team than last year is that their bench has an added year of experience under their belt.  Question is, can they keep this up?  

UST made a step in the right direction by convincingly knocking off both Bethel and Carleton on the road in their last two games but they're a team that I think is still trying to carve an identity for itself and they go right back under the gun again when they host GAC on Wednesday night.  Hamline, however, is suddenly in a free-fall that not only saw them lose their last three games but also saw Rochelle Sather go down with that freak injury against SMU on Wednesday night and it's difficult seeing them recover from this.  The way things are looming at the moment I would have to give the edge to St. Kate's at nailing down that 6th spot if they can win the games they're supposed to.    
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 16, 2010, 06:25:11 PM
Just got done watching maybe the worse officiating job in the history of basketball. Let make say, UST played a very good game and the game could have gone either way at the end. However an offical decided to make a crucial call with 5 seconds left in the game. UST had the ball, down by one. They were trying to get the ball into Booth with Guilland defending. It was obvious the officials decided with about 2 minutes left to no longer call any fouls. Guilland had just got totally hammered at the other end with an attempt under the basket which would have put CSB up by 3. Not only was she obviously hit but she was pushed to the floor and no call. OK. With 5 seconds left in game, Booth and Guilland were jostling for position and the whistle comes out and calls a defensive push. It was one of those could have been defensive, could have been offensive. So why did he decide to call a foul to decide the game? I have my opinion but its only an opinion. What was truely amazing is Booth was playing an extremely physical game throughout. I think she had 2 or 3 fouls. 1 in the 1st and 1 or 2 in the 2nd. Done venting. As Bud Grant used to say, "If you're within one bad call from losing the game, maybe you didn't deserve to win." >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 17, 2010, 01:35:15 AM
Wow.  Another wild day in conference play with a couple of upsets and a couple of the top teams pulling escape jobs; one at home and the other one on the road.  That said, here's my latest MIAC power poll:

1.  GAC
2.  Concordia
3.  Macalester
4.  CSB
5.  UST
6.  St. Kate's
7.  (tie) Hamline & Bethel
8.  SMU
9.  Carleton
10.  Augsburg
11. St. Olaf

As happy as I am to see GAC all alone in first place I have to be careful with my enthusiasm and not let myself get carried away.  Memo to GAC:  While it is great you guys finally clawed your way to the top spot (for now) this does not - I repeat, DOES NOT - give you a green light to simply think you can just show up against lesser opponents and put it in cruise control (see home game vs. Macalester and today vs. Bethel).  Gusties had control early on against Bethel this afternoon and then inexplicably not only let the Royals back in the game but saw themselves down by 4 points on a couple of occasions.  While GAC did manage to push the right buttons at the right time coming down the stretch they cannot afford to look past anybody at this point.  And the Gusties have a TOUGH, tough week ahead of them.  The big home clash vs. against suddenly vulnerable CSB on Monday night and the big road trip up to M-head next week Saturday against Concordia which sandwiches another roadie to Northfield to take on always-dangerous Carleton had better have the Gusties in prime form, both physically and mentally.

Am still somewhat shocked at Concordia having to hang on for dear life at home no less against SMU.  They have already shown some kinks in the armour but I still think they're solid enough to be considered the second-best team in the conference and still an outside shot at winning the conference.  The Cobbers are still very, very green at the post position and I also think Anna Matetich has yet to assert herself on offense.

I have to put Macalester on the third rung for now as they righted the ship today with a big home win over lowly St. Olaf.  Wednesday night's shocking home loss to Carleton which snapped their hot streak probably had to have the die-hards thinking in unison, "UH OH!!".  But I think this team is experienced enough now to hold the course and make that drive in the second half of the conference season to get a good spot in their first-ever MIAC playoff.

CSB, meanwhile, all of a sudden has a lot of question marks surrounding it.  The loss at home today vs. reeling UST was costly to say the least.  I think Blazerguy made a good point when he quoted Bud Grant.  The Blazers may very well have been caught looking ahead to Monday night's long roadie down to St. Peter to take on league-leading GAC.  CSB may also very well now have to come out with the mentality of a wounded animal if they still want to entertain thoughts of winning yet another MIAC title.  UST, on the other hand, likely saved their season from completely going down the toilet with the win at CSB.  Whether the Tommies can pull a repeat performance is difficult to say but I think they've got to get more production from Sears, Dienhart, Theisen, and Townsend to take some of the load off of Rachel Booth.

Which brings us to that coveted sixth spot.  I THOUGHT St. Kate's had the inside track on this with the week they had but today's blowout loss at Hamline has changed that school of thought.  When the Wildcats are hot and on top of their game they can be very, very good.  But when they're off, holy maloney, they're frighteningly bad enough to send Satan himself scurrying for the hills.  Such was the case with St. Kate's today as they could seemingly do little right.  Turnovers galore and a porous defense is a toxic, toxic recipe.  As for Hamline, I'm not yet convinced that they can fully recover from losing Rochelle Sather although Mary Wilkowski has played well for the most part and sharp-shooting Jackie Kelly had a big game today vs. the 'Cats.  The other team to keep your eye on is Bethel.  While they had a disastrous start to the season they've been slowly improving with each game and today's effort vs. GAC showed that. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 17, 2010, 01:06:47 PM
The Gustie/Bethel game certainly was a frustrating one to watch for Gustie fans expecting a comfortable victory, but consider this L.A.: Radtke had her worst game of the season as she was a virtual non-factor. If she plays like she normally does, that eight point victory suddenly turns into a 15 point margin.

Luckily Mathiowetz played well throughout and Geske made enough plays down the stretch to make the difference.

The Gusties have a golden opportunity to put some distance between themselves and St. Ben's on Monday. Being at home I'd like to think they have a better than 50-50 shot at winning that game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on January 18, 2010, 10:11:20 PM
GAC wins over St. Bens, 66-63.

GAC led by 18 at the half and withstood a furious comeback by the Blazers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 19, 2010, 12:14:29 PM
Thoughts on the Gustavus/St. Ben's game last night:

Molly Geske was the best player on the floor in the first half and it wasn't close. Bri Radtke was the best player on the floor in the second half and it wasn't close.

I was underwhelmed a little bit by Stifter. After seeing the box scores all season long I expected more out of her. She finished with 15 points, but almost all of her points were open looks set up by one of her teammates. She did very little in the category of creating her own shots.

It's going to be an interesting race during the second half of the season for MVP. I think Geske, Radtke, Stifter and Baltzer have to be considered the leading candidates right now in no particular order.

Gusties got a little tight in the second half and seemed to be standing around alot and waiting for Radtke to create something with the shot clock winding down on quite a few possessions. In the second half the Blazers looked like they had just been given the "We've got nothing to lose here in the second half" speech by Durbin and it worked. They played loose in the second half and they almost completed the comeback.

After Wednesday's game at Carleton, the Gusties face the daunted road trip to Moorhead for a very important game. The Cobbers have dominated the Gusties at home over the last 8 years so hopefully the Gusties can turn things around this time.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 19, 2010, 01:55:31 PM
Was able to catch UST's dismantling of an injury-depleted Hamline squad.  Not sure how much the Pipers have left in the tank after not only losing Sather a couple of weeks ago but now find themselves without Sczublewski and Jorgenson as well.  Probably not a good idea for Hamline to be booking any trips on the Titanic anytime soon.

Also witnessed Macalester's takedown of St. Kate's as well.  The turnaround of the Macalester program under Ellen Thompson is nothing short of amazing.  A lot of things would have to go right for the Scots to claim the MIAC title but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.  Was particularly impressed with Jessica Rene as she single-handedly killed the 'Cats with her 4-6 shooting from behind the arc. 

Glad to see the Gusties were able to get a bit of a cushion between themselves and the rest of the pack but still have concerns as they had to hold off a furious CSB rally in the second half.  As I mentioned in my Saturday post, they'd better not be looking ahead when they make the trip over to Northfield tomorrow night to take on Carleton.

My early nominees for MVP:  Ann Baltzer and Trina PaStarr of Mac, Bri Radtke of GAC, and Anna Matetich of Concordia.

As for COY a no-brainer here:  Ellen Thompson of Mac. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 24, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
Wow, here we are in the middle of the season and I'm the one who has to dust off the cobwebs on this board after another interesting Saturday of action.  Oh well, guess I'll have to offer up my latest MIAC power poll:

1.  Macalester
2.  Concordia
3.  GAC
4.  CSB
5.  UST
6.  (tie) St. Kates & Bethel
7.  Hamline
8.  Augsburg
9.  St. Olaf
10.  (tie) Carleton & SMU

Wow.  Who'd have thunk it?  Just a mere five years ago the Mac program had gone from struggling to moribund when they were forced to cancel the season just a few games into the slate.  And now five years later they find themselves not only in a three-way tie for first place again but at the top of the heap in my power rankings.  I just think I have to give my first place vote to the Scots for not only winning 8 out of 9 since the first of the year but for the way they've played as well.  They've literally pounded their opponents into submission (including co-leaders Concordia and GAC on the road) and have been beating them by double-digits.  They not only have a great 1-2 punch down low with Trina PaStarr and Ann Baltzer but they've probably got one of the best kept secrets in the MIAC in the Rene Sisters who can simply light it up from the perimeter.  Two of their conference losses so far have come at home to teams they should have beaten (CSB and GAC) and they'll get another shot at both next month on the road not to mention home dates with co-leaders Concordia and GAC.

Concordia, despite the fact they got dough-popped by Macalester at home a couple of weeks ago has been playing very well as of late and today's win at home against (now) co-leader GAC underscores what they have been able to do lately.  The schedule is very favorable for the Corn over the next few games until February 6 when they travel to St. Joe for a rematch with CSB.

I hate having to drop GAC into the #3 slot in my power rankings but I feel that I have to when I see what the two other conference co-leaders have done over the last couple of weeks.  GAC is still very solid and still has a great shot at winning this thing.  But they still have big roadies coming up next month at both Macalester and the regular season ender at CSB.

Meanwhile, both CSB and UST appear to be locking in to the 4th and 5th seeds, respectively.  They're both beating the bottom-feeders like they should be doing.  The question for both is can either one make inroads on the current leaders to possibly improve their playoff positioning?  Just looking at the schedule I would have to give a slight edge to CSB here as they have both Macalester and GAC at home yet.

That 6th spot is still very much up for grabs yet and after today's action it LOOKS as if it's going to come down between St. Kate's and Bethel.  In St. Kate's home demolition of Augsburg today they featured a much more up-tempo offense that plays to their strengths much better.  The big question for the 'Cats is can they find ANY consistency?  Until today's win they had lost four in a row which includes last Saturday's blowout loss at Hamline and the inexplicable loss on the road to St. Olaf on Wednesday.  But typically the 'Cats get hot going into the home stretch and they'll probably have to be in that same mode again this time around if they want to nail down that sixth spot.  I cannot discount Bethel's chances for stealing the sixth spot either.  They have been coming around lately and have played much better since the first of the year.  They've got a lot of young talent in the likes of Taylor Sheley, Shana Grejtak, and Kelly Swenson.  But their chances will likely hinge on whether their two seniors, Kristen Wolters and Jess Gilpin, can lead the way for the young ones.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 24, 2010, 05:06:53 PM
The Scots have an absolutely brutal stretch coming up starting Jan. 30. They go to St. Thomas, to St. Ben's and then host Gustavus...after getting a one-game breather with Augsburg they then host Concordia. They could easily go 2-3 or even 1-4 during that stretch and fall down the standings signficantly.

I think the conference champion is going to be 19-3 so which ever one of the top three teams right now can go 8-1 the next nine games is going to win it, assuming St. Ben's loses at least one more game.

Personally I like the Gusties schedule...they have three very winnable games in front of them before travelling to St. Paul to face Macalester...after another stretch of very winnable games then they play St. Thomas at home before traveling to St. Ben's for the final regular season game.


By the way L.A. Rams, St. Olaf is the worst team in the conference and it isn't even close. Have you seen them play? They are brutal.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 25, 2010, 07:32:04 AM
I've only see them play once so far this year.  They may not be as bad as the '08 Detroit Lions but yeah, they're uh, brutal all right.  I just go on what the teams have done over the last week and I had to move the Oles up a notch as they recorded that upset win over St. Kate's at home last week while both Carleton and SMU went winless.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blueangel on January 26, 2010, 01:34:07 PM
Mac has sure put together a great system for teamwork and ability to be flexible on the court.  They seem to play together well, know what to do on the court, etc.  They are certainly a valid threat to keep on winning!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blueangel on January 27, 2010, 11:39:31 PM
what a quiet board!  Saw Bethel and Mac tonight.  Good game; Bethel will be challenging everone.  Looks like St. Bens almost threw it away.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 31, 2010, 02:02:05 AM
Great game over at CS-P's Ganglehoff Center between Macalester and host UST as the Tommies eek out a hard-fought overtime win 76-75.  Mac had two chances at the end to try and win it and couldn't convert.  With that, let me offer up my latest MIAC power poll:

1.  GAC
2.  CSB
3.  Concordia
4.  Macalester
5.  (tie)  UST & Bethel
6.  (tie) St. Kate's & Hamline
7.  Carleton
8.  St. Olaf
9.  Augsburg
10.  SMU

I'm not deviating much from the actual standings here and it's not that big of a surprise that the Gusties find themselves on top of the hill again.  Two relatively easy home wins following last Saturday's disappointment up in M-head seemingly has GAC back in full gallop again.  They have an easy roadie (on paper anyway) Monday night over at Augsburg before the big clash at Macalester two nights later.

Also not terribly shocking is that CSB finds itself nipping at the Gusties heels again.  While the Blazers don't have the boatload of talent they had a year ago they do have a lot of experience and the overtime win they had at St. Kate's this last week Wednesday night may have been that shot of adrenaline that they needed.

Have to slide the Corn down to the #3 spot after today's shocking 50-48 loss at home to Bethel.  They do have it a little easier to start off this next week with a trip to Hamline on Monday night followed by a home date with Augsburg on Wednesday night.  But then next week Saturday comes the return match with CSB in St. Joe so it's essential the Cobs take care of business between now and next week Saturday if they're still harboring title hopes.

So, if you're Macalester, how do you slide from the top spot you had last week on my poll down to the 4th spot?  Easy - just lose two critical road games that you were SUPPOSED to win which is exactly what the Scots did this week.  First, the Wednesday night shocker at Bethel and now yesterday's heartbreaker at the hands of UST which may have effectively ended any MIAC title hopes the Scots were entertaining a mere week ago.  And now the bad news:  Monday night comes the rematch with CSB up at St. Joe and Wednesday night has GAC at home.  Hmmm....Is that Carl Lewis attempting to sing the national anthem again?  "UH OH!!!"

I have to put put both UST and Bethel on the next rung together as the Tommies have been able to win 5 out of their last 6 games and suddenly resurgent Bethel has won 4 out of their last 5 games that included two wins this last week over both Mac and Concordia.  Both teams appear to have winnable games over the three game stretch coming up before the Royals and Tommies clash on February 10.

This coming Monday night's game between Bethel and St. Kates at Kate's is pretty much an elimination game for the 'Cats who are slumping big-time right now and are desperate for a win. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on January 31, 2010, 03:00:08 AM
Did I see the spotlight in the sky asking for my assistance in reviving this board?  :P

Haven't seen many games this year, so I can't offer much in terms of feedback...but I did hear New Prague's Maggie Weiers plans to attend St. Thomas next year. 6-2ish post who has been a stud over the last few years for the Trojans, who have made the state tourney something like three of the last four years. She has a 6-2 teammate going to SDSU, Hannah Strop, but NP has very little guard play this season.

Weiers apparently received a number of D1 offers, but she's a better athlete than she is a basketball player IMO. Pretty limited offensively at this point in her career. Good get for the Tommies if she does stay at D3.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 02, 2010, 12:06:35 AM
Couple things...

1. In GAC's last two games the opposing coach has played his starters til the final horn while down 20+ points after Haller had cleared her bench. Both Rufsfeld and the guy who filled in for Britz tonight tried to make the score look more respectable by beating up on the GAC JV'ers. Not really a big deal but I hate to tell them that a loss by 25 and a loss by 12 counts the same in the standings.

2. Two huge games in the next five days: GAC at Macalester on Wednesday and Concordia vs. St. Ben's on Saturday.  A Gustie win and a St. Ben's loss would really be nice for the Gusties.

3. MVP talk: I'm still considering it a four player race: Radtke, Geske, Stifter and Baltzer. Personally I'd give Radtke the edge, but I'm of course slightly biased.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 07, 2010, 02:05:42 AM
OK, time to follow up on another wild, weird and unpredictable Saturday in the MIAC.  Got to take in the GAC vs. Hamline game that saw the suddenly hot Pipers claim a 69-65 upset  over the league-leading Gusties.  How Hamline is doing what they're doing right now with so many key players injured is mind-boggling but they've had people step up and do the job.  Of course, GAC got some unlikely help in the form of the Concordia Cobbers pulling off a miraculous 69-67 win in St. Joe over CSB.  With all that's happened over the course of this last week, I've had to agonize over some of the decisions I've made for my latest MIAC power poll so I won't be surprised if I hear from a few people about it.

1.  GAC
2.  UST
3.  CSB
4.  Concordia
5.  Macalester
6.  Hamline
7.  (tie) St. Kate's & Bethel
8.  (tie) Carleton & St. Olaf
9.  SMU
10.  Augsburg

Gusties appeared to be crusing along nicely after the somewhat predictable loss up in M-head to the Corn last month.  But today's disappointing performance (and defeat) at the hands of surging Hamline had better be a big-time wake-up call for this team that seems to have a rather nasty habit of flipping the automatic pilot switch to the "on" position;  thinking they can just cruise to their first-ever outright MIAC title.  You look at the Gustie home-stretch and it's not all that pretty.  A date at home this next Wednesday night with bottom-feeder St. Olaf appears to be the only "shoe-in" game GAC can count on.  Then always unpredicatable Bethel comes to St. Peter next Saturday.  But the last week of the regular season is downright brutal:  a home date with UST and the regular season finale up in St. Joe against CSB which will likely decide the regular season title (not to mention playoff seedings).  GAC, you are living on the edge here and your hold on the top spot in my power rankings is VERY precarious; very tenuous and I want you to know about it. 

I simply had to move UST up to the second spot after this last week.  They very quietly have seemingly got their act together and have reeled off 10 wins in their last 12 games; losing at both GAC and Concordia which cannot be classified as "bad" losses.  But they, too, have a very hard row to hoe coming up in the last four regular season games:  A home date with Bethel and the season finale at Hamline sandwich a home game rematch with CSB and a roadie to St. Peter to take on the Gusties. 

CSB appeared to have a full head of steam going into the home-stretch and the likely candidate to derail the GAC Express until they stubbed their toe at home (again); this time with Concordia which kept the Blazers from gaining a tie for 1st place.  They still have a shot at getting to the top spot but will presumably have to hold par for the course to make the regular season home finale vs. GAC for all the marbles.

I was very, very tempted to shove Concordia down even further than the fourth spot in my power rankings; particularly after they did their best impression of Sonny Corleone at the toll booth after getting riddled-up BIG time by Hamline this last Monday night.  On that night the Corn looked flat, lethargic, and curiously non-chalant in that a$$-kicking the Pipers dropped on them.  Quite frankly, they probably would have been better off taking a side-trip to MOA or gone out to frollick in the snow.  Whatever it was they mailed in that one the minute they stepped off the bus.  Okay, in all fairness they followed that up with a home win vs. Augsburg and the improbable win at CSB.  Though another road trip down to the Cities looms this next week Wednesday with Macalester they seemingly have the easiest schedule the rest of the way. 

Mac has been in a funk the last couple of weeks dropping four in a row and saw their slim title hopes go down the proverbial toilet before finally righting the ship with the big home win over hapless Augsburg on Saturday.  In going over their schedule this year the thing about Macalester that stands out to me is this:  when they win they seemingly win very big but when they've been in the close, tight games this year they have not been able to find a way to close the deal.  Plus, they seemed to have lost that "spark" that got them on that hot streak.  This coming Wednesday night's home game vs. Concordia is huge for both teams and I think it's critical for the Scots to find that confidence again.  Like Concordia, they seemingly have an easier stretch the rest of the way than the others above them.  If they can find that spark again, they obviously would be the most dangerous team lurking out there when the MIAC playoffs begin.

Speaking of dangerous teams, I have to give some big-time props to the Hamline Pipers who went an improbable 3-0 this last week beating both Concordia and GAC at home and stealing a huge road against Bethel.  The fact that they've been able to do this without the likes of Sather and Sczublewski is nothing short of amazing.  They have perhaps the quickest player in the MIAC in Nikki Klinck and a solid performer in Mary Wilkowski but even more important is how some of the subs have stepped up in the face of all the injuries the Pipers have endured this season; particularly Kara Poirier and Tromesa May who made life miserable for the Gusties down low on Saturday.  And, of course, they have sharp-shooter Jackie Kelly who single-handedly did a number on Concordia this last Monday night.  When she gets hot from the outside, LOOK OUT.  The battle for the 6th spot is going to be very interesting to say the least with both Bethel and St. Kate's hanging in there with wins on Saturday.  While Hamline does have both CSB and UST in that last week they have them both at home.

   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 07, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
The Gusties' high risk - high reward defensive strategy bit them in the butt yesterday. The Gusties took 28 more shots from the field than the pipers and won the turnover battle 25-10. The problem was, if the Pipers didn't turn the ball over they either got a lay-up or an uncontested jump shot, which is why they shot 70% from the field yesterday.

It's hard to complain about the defense though, because so many times it has helped the Gusties to a big first half lead and ultimately a victory. But yesterday the defense allowed an inferior team to steal a win.

On to other things...as I attempted to find out more about the Concordia St. Ben's game, I went to the St. Ben's athletics website and found another example of why I hate St. John's and St. Ben's.

Here is the story that was posted on the CSB website:

The College of Saint Benedict basketball team (16-5 overall, 14-4 MIAC) lost a close 69-67 game to Concordia on a last-second made Cobber basket.

The game was close from the start, with a 4-3 Concordia lead.  Five lead changes later, CSB was on top 13-12 with 14 minutes remaining.  The Blazers compiled a 7-2 run, but the Cobbers added an 9-2 run, reclaiming the lead at 23-22 with 6:30 left on the clock.  Concordia managed to fend off the Blazers for the remainder of the half, heading into the locker room with a 31-27 cushion over CSB.

The Blazers tied the score at 33 to start the half, but couldn't edge the Cobbers, who went on a 10-6 run to lead 43-39.  CSB managed the close the gap within one point at 45-44, but finally found the lead at 57-56 for the first time in 21 minutse of play.  Four lead changes later, the Blazesr were still on top at 65-64 with 1:20 remaining.  Concordia tied the game at 65 and took the lead again at 67-65.  CSB tied the score at 67 with 10 seconds remaining, but a last second shot gave the Blazers their fourth MIAC loss of the season with a final score of 69-67.

Leading the Blazers in scoring was junior post Heather Gillund (Ham Lake, MN, Blaine), who totalled 25 points and grabbed six rebounds.  Junior wing Amy Stifter (Watertown, MN, Watertown-Mayer) came next with eight points, while senior wing Mindy Schmidt (Brooklyn Park, MN, Champlin Park) added seven points and seven rebounds.

The Blazers next host Augsburg on Wed., Feb. 10 at 7:30 p.m. in Claire Lynch Hall before heading on the road for two away games.


Now, nevermind the three or four typos, but the story fails to name the Concordia player who made the game-winning shot at the buzzer!!! And then at the end only gives final stats for the Blazer players and not the Cobbers. Simply classless, but I can't say I'm surprised. This is par for the course up in Collegeville and St. Joseph.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 08, 2010, 12:58:17 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 07, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
The Gusties' high risk - high reward defensive strategy bit them in the butt yesterday. The Gusties took 28 more shots from the field than the pipers and won the turnover battle 25-10. The problem was, if the Pipers didn't turn the ball over they either got a lay-up or an uncontested jump shot, which is why they shot 70% from the field yesterday.

It's hard to complain about the defense though, because so many times it has helped the Gusties to a big first half lead and ultimately a victory. But yesterday the defense allowed an inferior team to steal a win.

On to other things...as I attempted to find out more about the Concordia St. Ben's game, I went to the St. Ben's athletics website and found another example of why I hate St. John's and St. Ben's.

Here is the story that was posted on the CSB website:

The College of Saint Benedict basketball team (16-5 overall, 14-4 MIAC) lost a close 69-67 game to Concordia on a last-second made Cobber basket.

The game was close from the start, with a 4-3 Concordia lead.  Five lead changes later, CSB was on top 13-12 with 14 minutes remaining.  The Blazers compiled a 7-2 run, but the Cobbers added an 9-2 run, reclaiming the lead at 23-22 with 6:30 left on the clock.  Concordia managed to fend off the Blazers for the remainder of the half, heading into the locker room with a 31-27 cushion over CSB.

The Blazers tied the score at 33 to start the half, but couldn't edge the Cobbers, who went on a 10-6 run to lead 43-39.  CSB managed the close the gap within one point at 45-44, but finally found the lead at 57-56 for the first time in 21 minutse of play.  Four lead changes later, the Blazesr were still on top at 65-64 with 1:20 remaining.  Concordia tied the game at 65 and took the lead again at 67-65.  CSB tied the score at 67 with 10 seconds remaining, but a last second shot gave the Blazers their fourth MIAC loss of the season with a final score of 69-67.

Leading the Blazers in scoring was junior post Heather Gillund (Ham Lake, MN, Blaine), who totalled 25 points and grabbed six rebounds.  Junior wing Amy Stifter (Watertown, MN, Watertown-Mayer) came next with eight points, while senior wing Mindy Schmidt (Brooklyn Park, MN, Champlin Park) added seven points and seven rebounds.

The Blazers next host Augsburg on Wed., Feb. 10 at 7:30 p.m. in Claire Lynch Hall before heading on the road for two away games.


Now, nevermind the three or four typos, but the story fails to name the Concordia player who made the game-winning shot at the buzzer!!! And then at the end only gives final stats for the Blazer players and not the Cobbers. Simply classless, but I can't say I'm surprised. This is par for the course up in Collegeville and St. Joseph.
As they always say. There are two sides to every story. GACBacker is accurate about the headlines on the CSB website. Now "the rest of the story". Also included on the web review is 1) The complete Box Score for both teams., 2) A FULL GAME PLAY by PLAY by the second as it happened. 3) a half time box score for both teams. 4) A second half box score for both teams. 5) The full Newspaper version Box Score 6) AND A complete breakdown play analysis for BOTH teams.  What more do you want, or were you just looking for something to complain about? Talk about Classless!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2010, 01:47:42 PM
The players name should have been included in the story. Period. You shouldn't have to hunt around for the defining play of the game...especially when it's important enough to be the first sentence of the Cobber story.

For reference, here's how a "normal" SID handles a buzzer-beater that goes against his squad:

It took a 50-foot turnaround, miracle shot to finally put Concordia on the canvas for good on Saturday in St. Peter. The Cobbers kept coming back and coming back against Gustavus and took the game into overtime before finally falling 57-54 on Phil Wirtjes' desperation heave just before the buzzer.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blueangel on February 08, 2010, 03:58:47 PM
I agree with the difference in how each site recorded the recap.  Sadf, but why is that a surprise?  Used to really enjoy the "banter" back and forth but seems if a particular team is not shining, it is not worth commenting.  How about this for a vey wild guess for teams to finish out?????
GA - 17-5
St. Bens 17-5
CC  18 - 4
MAC  15-7
St. Thomas  15 - 7
Hamline  12 - 10

That comes with watching approximately 6 games/week for more than 44 years.

At least now someone can rebuke this silly notion.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 08, 2010, 05:02:22 PM
Blazer guy...that's fine if you want to believe your argument, however, the truth of the matter is this. 10 schools in the league do it one way and the remaining two do it the other way.

Blueangel-

While I'd like to think the Gusties could hold on to their one game advantage, your prediction is probably right on.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 06:36:52 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 07, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
This is par for the course up in Collegeville and St. Joseph.

I think you may be painting with too broad a brush here. I don't read SJU basketball releases on a regular basis but their football releases have been professional. Here on the game which knocked them out of the playoffs:

http://www.gojohnnies.com/news/2009/11/21/FOOTBALL_1121095403.aspx

COLLEGEVILLE, Minn. – No. 21 Coe College (Iowa) senior linebacker Calvin Thomas returned an interception and fumble for touchdowns as the visiting Kohawks defeated No. 4 Saint John's University 34-27 in the first round of the NCAA Division III Playoffs on Saturday, Nov. 21, in Collegeville.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 06:43:50 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2010, 01:47:42 PM
For reference, here's how a "normal" SID handles a buzzer-beater that goes against his squad:

Putting this notion to the test, I looked at our Buzzer Beaters page and how a handful of schools on the other end of such shots handled it.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/12/08/buzzer-beater-watch.html

Wheaton, Mass. (home)
NORTON, MA — Springfield College freshman Meghan Biondolillo's (Levittown, NY/Island Trees) three-pointer from the left wing as time expired proved to be the difference on Saturday, as the Pride posted a thrilling 59-56 New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) women's basketball victory over host Wheaton College in Emerson Gymnasium.

Buffalo State (road)
PLATTSBURGH, NY—Senior Antonio Samedi (St. Albans/Queens Vocational) netted a career-high 27 points and had 12 rebounds, but Buffalo State (8-11/6-7) surrendered a 10-point second-half lead and Plattsburgh (13-7/8-5) hit a last second layup to win 88-86 in a SUNYAC game today at Memorial Hall.

(Story continues for three more paragraphs, Plattsburgh shooter not mentioned.)

Linfield (home)
McMINNVILLE, Ore. - Sara Villanueava dribbled the length of the court before scooping in a layup with 0.2 seconds remaining, lifting Lewis & Clark to a stunning 52-51 Northwest Conference victory over Linfield Friday night at Ted Wilson Gymnasium.

Dubuque (home)
The University of Dubuque men's basketball team fought back from deficits throughout Wednesday evening only to have the game taken away as time ran out on a desperation three pointer by the visiting Central College Dutch 76-73.

The Spartans trailed league leading Central 27-34 in the opening 20 minutes of play, fighting back from double digit deficits before the break. As time was running down, The Spartans Mark Wilson stole an inbound pass to tie the game on a lay-up. Eight seconds remained on the clock with the game knotted at 73-73 before the Dutch dribbled down court as time was expiring. A shot by Justin Madsen from beyond the three point arc looked like he was about ready to lose control of the ball before he re-gained composure with just a tick on the clock when the backboard lit-up red and the ball found it's way through the net for the game winner.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 08, 2010, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 08, 2010, 05:02:22 PM
Blazer guy...that's fine if you want to believe your argument, however, the truth of the matter is this. 10 schools in the league do it one way and the remaining two do it the other way.

Blueangel-

While I'd like to think the Gusties could hold on to their one game advantage, your prediction is probably right on.

I guess one click away is too much for you.  :'(Quit complaining about CSB and read the rest of the information if that is what you are looking for. Or, as i suspect, you are just looking for something to whine about. If it wasn't the front page it would be something else. You are in first place and still complaining.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 09, 2010, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 06:43:50 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2010, 01:47:42 PM
For reference, here's how a "normal" SID handles a buzzer-beater that goes against his squad:

Putting this notion to the test, I looked at our Buzzer Beaters page and how a handful of schools on the other end of such shots handled it.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/12/08/buzzer-beater-watch.html

Wheaton, Mass. (home)
NORTON, MA — Springfield College freshman Meghan Biondolillo's (Levittown, NY/Island Trees) three-pointer from the left wing as time expired proved to be the difference on Saturday, as the Pride posted a thrilling 59-56 New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) women's basketball victory over host Wheaton College in Emerson Gymnasium.

Buffalo State (road)
PLATTSBURGH, NY—Senior Antonio Samedi (St. Albans/Queens Vocational) netted a career-high 27 points and had 12 rebounds, but Buffalo State (8-11/6-7) surrendered a 10-point second-half lead and Plattsburgh (13-7/8-5) hit a last second layup to win 88-86 in a SUNYAC game today at Memorial Hall.

(Story continues for three more paragraphs, Plattsburgh shooter not mentioned.)

Linfield (home)
McMINNVILLE, Ore. - Sara Villanueava dribbled the length of the court before scooping in a layup with 0.2 seconds remaining, lifting Lewis & Clark to a stunning 52-51 Northwest Conference victory over Linfield Friday night at Ted Wilson Gymnasium.

Dubuque (home)
The University of Dubuque men's basketball team fought back from deficits throughout Wednesday evening only to have the game taken away as time ran out on a desperation three pointer by the visiting Central College Dutch 76-73.

The Spartans trailed league leading Central 27-34 in the opening 20 minutes of play, fighting back from double digit deficits before the break. As time was running down, The Spartans Mark Wilson stole an inbound pass to tie the game on a lay-up. Eight seconds remained on the clock with the game knotted at 73-73 before the Dutch dribbled down court as time was expiring. A shot by Justin Madsen from beyond the three point arc looked like he was about ready to lose control of the ball before he re-gained composure with just a tick on the clock when the backboard lit-up red and the ball found it's way through the net for the game winner.


So 4 of the 5 examples we've got outside of CSB noted the shooter when their school lost? That would make my reference at "normal" ring true, and I'd expect that percentage goes even higher if we tracked down more examples.

I'm really not sure how you can defend the omission. Outside of the score, that might be the most important part of this particular game. This isn't D1, but you still gotta report the facts...even if that includes writing the name of an opposing player in your game story.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 09, 2010, 07:37:19 AM
Blue Angel,

I think your crystal ball may need some polishing up.  Predicting Concordia to finish 18-4????  Their #5 West Regional ranking is a total joke. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 09, 2010, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 09, 2010, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2010, 06:43:50 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 08, 2010, 01:47:42 PM
For reference, here's how a "normal" SID handles a buzzer-beater that goes against his squad:

Putting this notion to the test, I looked at our Buzzer Beaters page and how a handful of schools on the other end of such shots handled it.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/12/08/buzzer-beater-watch.html

Wheaton, Mass. (home)
NORTON, MA — Springfield College freshman Meghan Biondolillo's (Levittown, NY/Island Trees) three-pointer from the left wing as time expired proved to be the difference on Saturday, as the Pride posted a thrilling 59-56 New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) women's basketball victory over host Wheaton College in Emerson Gymnasium.

Buffalo State (road)
PLATTSBURGH, NY—Senior Antonio Samedi (St. Albans/Queens Vocational) netted a career-high 27 points and had 12 rebounds, but Buffalo State (8-11/6-7) surrendered a 10-point second-half lead and Plattsburgh (13-7/8-5) hit a last second layup to win 88-86 in a SUNYAC game today at Memorial Hall.

(Story continues for three more paragraphs, Plattsburgh shooter not mentioned.)

Linfield (home)
McMINNVILLE, Ore. - Sara Villanueava dribbled the length of the court before scooping in a layup with 0.2 seconds remaining, lifting Lewis & Clark to a stunning 52-51 Northwest Conference victory over Linfield Friday night at Ted Wilson Gymnasium.

Dubuque (home)
The University of Dubuque men's basketball team fought back from deficits throughout Wednesday evening only to have the game taken away as time ran out on a desperation three pointer by the visiting Central College Dutch 76-73.

The Spartans trailed league leading Central 27-34 in the opening 20 minutes of play, fighting back from double digit deficits before the break. As time was running down, The Spartans Mark Wilson stole an inbound pass to tie the game on a lay-up. Eight seconds remained on the clock with the game knotted at 73-73 before the Dutch dribbled down court as time was expiring. A shot by Justin Madsen from beyond the three point arc looked like he was about ready to lose control of the ball before he re-gained composure with just a tick on the clock when the backboard lit-up red and the ball found it's way through the net for the game winner.


So 4 of the 5 examples we've got outside of CSB noted the shooter when their school lost? That would make my reference at "normal" ring true, and I'd expect that percentage goes even higher if we tracked down more examples.

I'm really not sure how you can defend the omission. Outside of the score, that might be the most important part of this particular game. This isn't D1, but you still gotta report the facts...even if that includes writing the name of an opposing player in your game story.
Blah Blah Blah, have some cheese with your whine. We've got a great race going on in the MIAC, a top team starting out terrible and now making a push, a yearly bottom team winning with a senior clad team, a team made up of 2's and 3's making a run, the increase in horrible officiating, an influx of D1-2 players transferring down, and you want to talk about your perceived omission by the team you readily admit you hate more than any. As I said, its one click away.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 12:56:53 PM
blazerguy: Willy Wonka is right. That's standard operating procedure and Journalism 101. Even though your job is to promote your school as the SID, that doesn't relieve you from your obligation in reporting the facts in a manner consistent with other schools and other SIDs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blueangel on February 09, 2010, 01:11:44 PM
L.A.Rams - you may be completely right!!!  Who knows?  At least it creates a bit more discussion.  Guess there does seems a great deal of parity this year.  It will be fun watching the remaining schedle as someone said, there can be a great deal of "mixing it up"
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 09, 2010, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 12:56:53 PM
blazerguy: Willy Wonka is right. That's standard operating procedure and Journalism 101. Even though your job is to promote your school as the SID, that doesn't relieve you from your obligation in reporting the facts in a manner consistent with other schools and other SIDs.
I guess we are just going to have to disagree on this one. I think its whining, you think they are right. The data says you and they are wrong. Different schools do it different ways. How about some discussion about basketball on the court instead of crying about your player not getting mentioned in the headline. As I said, its one click away.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 02:25:58 PM
What data? Not the data that I posted.

You think it's whining because someone said something not-complimentary about your school. The neutral guy over here -- the journalist and former SID -- thinks differently.

Nobody said it had to be mentioned in the headline. But the facts should be mentioned in the body copy.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 09, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 02:25:58 PM
What data? Not the data that I posted.

You think it's whining because someone said something not-complimentary about your school. The neutral guy over here -- the journalist and former SID -- thinks differently.

Nobody said it had to be mentioned in the headline. But the facts should be mentioned in the body copy.
Pat, your own data showed not all schools do it the same. Thank you for taking the time to research. I think its whining, we differ. Of course I am biased, that doesn't make me wrong. One click away for those interested. As I said before, how about we discuss something on the court, like the horrible officiating this year, the lack of ethics in recruiting, the rise of MAC., the fall of UST, etc.. etc..
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 08:48:03 PM
No, that's true -- it did show that most do it the right way, however. Having the box score one click away is not really something that I would applaud here, since that's also standard operating procedure and, frankly, automated by the ICS software.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 11, 2010, 02:41:32 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 09, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 02:25:58 PM
What data? Not the data that I posted.

You think it's whining because someone said something not-complimentary about your school. The neutral guy over here -- the journalist and former SID -- thinks differently.

Nobody said it had to be mentioned in the headline. But the facts should be mentioned in the body copy.
Pat, your own data showed not all schools do it the same. Thank you for taking the time to research. I think its whining, we differ. Of course I am biased, that doesn't make me wrong. One click away for those interested. As I said before, how about we discuss something on the court, like the horrible officiating this year, the lack of ethics in recruiting, the rise of MAC., the fall of UST, etc.. etc..

You are really grasping at straws if you're trying to divert this conversation to the "fall" of UST. You do realize the Tommies have the exact same record at CSB, beat the Bennies on their home court in the first meeting and could move into second place with a win in Saturday's rematch?

If UST has fallen, which is a dubious claim at best, I'd be curious to hear your honest assessment of the Bennies...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 11, 2010, 07:41:16 AM
And especially now that UST has quietly reeled off 11 wins in last 13 games.  So, yes, definitely a big rematch this Saturday w/CSB over at Ganglehoff Center.

Caught a great game last night between Concordia and Macalester and the Scots finally showed that they can win a close one edging the Corn 84-81 to secure their first-ever MIAC playoff berth.

Honestly, it's hard to make heads or tails out of this conference the way things are shaping up.  Anybody can beat anybody.  As Michael Corleone would say, "No one is safe." 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 11, 2010, 12:02:39 PM
Gusties can clinch a share of the conference title on Saturday with a win over Bethel combined with a St. Thomas win over St. Ben's.

Go Gusties and go Tommies!

It should also be noted that if the Gusties and Blazers end up in a tie for first place, the Blazers appear to own the tie-breaker at this time due to the fact that the Gusties have a loss to the 6th place team in Hamline, whereas the Blazers' "worst loss" is to St. Thomas or Concordia.

That of course could change, because the Blazers still have to play Hamline in St. Paul next week.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 11, 2010, 04:30:44 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 11, 2010, 02:41:32 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 09, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 02:25:58 PM
What data? Not the data that I posted.

You think it's whining because someone said something not-complimentary about your school. The neutral guy over here -- the journalist and former SID -- thinks differently.

Nobody said it had to be mentioned in the headline. But the facts should be mentioned in the body copy.
Pat, your own data showed not all schools do it the same. Thank you for taking the time to research. I think its whining, we differ. Of course I am biased, that doesn't make me wrong. One click away for those interested. As I said before, how about we discuss something on the court, like the horrible officiating this year, the lack of ethics in recruiting, the rise of MAC., the fall of UST, etc.. etc..

You are really grasping at straws if you're trying to divert this conversation to the "fall" of UST. You do realize the Tommies have the exact same record at CSB, beat the Bennies on their home court in the first meeting and could move into second place with a win in Saturday's rematch?

If UST has fallen, which is a dubious claim at best, I'd be curious to hear your honest assessment of the Bennies...
Divert the conversation ??, it's the first time I have ever been accused of that. Usually its that I try keeping on with the conversation/discussion/argument. I'd be happy to keep the discussion going if that's what you want. I still think its whining about a trivial matter. That's why it should be over, its not a big deal.    Good question and finally some basketball talk, my "fall" of UST refers to the outstanding talent they have accumulated this year. My god, two D2 transfers at key positions most teams struggle finding players. I felt they should have dominated right from the start of the season. That its even a race this year is the big surprise. Take umbrage to my description if you want but if they don't win it all this year the Sinner should be fired!! My honest assessment of the Blazers this year. Sure, but is that in contrast to my dishonest assessment to follow??? Anyway, I think the Blazers have accomplished alot with major problems going into the season. Lets start with losing our point guard, top forward, and center from last years team. Then our top transfer was kidnapped by UST and a top recruit got a D2 scholarship 2 weeks before school started. Not whining just facts. With the team left CSB has managed to be at or near the top all year. Guilland has developed to be a major force under the basket, Stifter has raised her game to All Conference consideration, Bolin took over the point and has played admirably and we have gotten positive minutes from, Dale, Hylla and Wilcox. Where will CSB end up, the next 3 games will tell but I give Durbin a ton of credit for his coaching job this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 11, 2010, 09:26:55 PM
What's your evidence that your d2 transfer was "kidnapped" by Sinn and UST?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 11, 2010, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 11, 2010, 09:26:55 PM
What's your evidence that your d2 transfer was "kidnapped" by Sinn and UST?
When a coach continues to recruit a player with the knowledge that the player has already committed, registered, announced and interviewed in the paper, to a rival school, I don't consider it ethical by the coach. I understand a "player" can change their mind, its the coach I have a problem with.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 11, 2010, 10:50:05 PM
What I'm asking is what evidence do you have that Sinn did this? Did the player tell you personally? Did you witness Sinn talking to the player after she had enrolled at St. Ben's? Or is this pure speculation?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 11, 2010, 11:57:04 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 11, 2010, 10:50:05 PM
What I'm asking is what evidence do you have that Sinn did this? Did the player tell you personally? Did you witness Sinn talking to the player after she had enrolled at St. Ben's? Or is this pure speculation?
It happened just as i said, you may choose to believe or not.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 12, 2010, 12:20:13 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 11, 2010, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 11, 2010, 09:26:55 PM
What's your evidence that your d2 transfer was "kidnapped" by Sinn and UST?
When a coach continues to recruit a player with the knowledge that the player has already committed, registered, announced and interviewed in the paper, to a rival school, I don't consider it ethical by the coach. I understand a "player" can change their mind, its the coach I have a problem with.

While it's obviously not the same gender, this is the exact reason why the men's coaching staff at GAC doesn't publicly discuss recruits. Especially with the media, but they typically won't even tell alumni who has committed until the fall when said person actually shows up on campus. Believe it or not, the St. Cloud Times doesn't actually have the authority to determine where someone goes to school.

This isn't a scholarship system. There are no hard-and-fast commitments — and even those are easily changed, as the recent D1 signing date for football just illustrated. Student-athletes change their mind all the time. With the way Durbin over-recruits every year, I'd actually be surprised if he hasn't been on the other end of this situation a few times in his career. That's not a dig, it's just the reality of the situation.

But if you're really that upset about this and have some sort of proof about "tampering" and how UST broke the rules, I'd suggest you contact Sinn and/or the MIAC office. If it actually happened, I'm assuming that would have taken place already by people more in-the-know than you.

In the meantime, this all just sounds like sour grapes and takes away from discussion about the playoff race, which is what you were pining for in the first place...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 12, 2010, 09:19:46 AM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 12, 2010, 12:20:13 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 11, 2010, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 11, 2010, 09:26:55 PM
What's your evidence that your d2 transfer was "kidnapped" by Sinn and UST?
When a coach continues to recruit a player with the knowledge that the player has already committed, registered, announced and interviewed in the paper, to a rival school, I don't consider it ethical by the coach. I understand a "player" can change their mind, its the coach I have a problem with.

While it's obviously not the same gender, this is the exact reason why the men's coaching staff at GAC doesn't publicly discuss recruits. Especially with the media, but they typically won't even tell alumni who has committed until the fall when said person actually shows up on campus. Believe it or not, the St. Cloud Times doesn't actually have the authority to determine where someone goes to school.

This isn't a scholarship system. There are no hard-and-fast commitments — and even those are easily changed, as the recent D1 signing date for football just illustrated. Student-athletes change their mind all the time. With the way Durbin over-recruits every year, I'd actually be surprised if he hasn't been on the other end of this situation a few times in his career. That's not a dig, it's just the reality of the situation.

But if you're really that upset about this and have some sort of proof about "tampering" and how UST broke the rules, I'd suggest you contact Sinn and/or the MIAC office. If it actually happened, I'm assuming that would have taken place already by people more in-the-know than you.

In the meantime, this all just sounds like sour grapes and takes away from discussion about the playoff race, which is what you were pining for in the first place...
Then quit asking me about it or asking for "evidence". Sinn, in my opinion, is unethical. I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 12, 2010, 12:41:30 PM
I love that I bring up the unprofessionalism of the St. Ben's website with solid evidence of the fact and I am deemed a "whiner."

Then you throw out an accusation of another school being unethical in the recruitment of a student with no evidence, except "it happened just as I said...you can believe me or not." along with a disclaimer that you're not whining.

LOL. You almost can't make it up.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 12, 2010, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 11, 2010, 04:30:44 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 11, 2010, 02:41:32 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 09, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 02:25:58 PM
What data? Not the data that I posted.

You think it's whining because someone said something not-complimentary about your school. The neutral guy over here -- the journalist and former SID -- thinks differently.

Nobody said it had to be mentioned in the headline. But the facts should be mentioned in the body copy.
Pat, your own data showed not all schools do it the same. Thank you for taking the time to research. I think its whining, we differ. Of course I am biased, that doesn't make me wrong. One click away for those interested. As I said before, how about we discuss something on the court, like the horrible officiating this year, the lack of ethics in recruiting, the rise of MAC., the fall of UST, etc.. etc..

You are really grasping at straws if you're trying to divert this conversation to the "fall" of UST. You do realize the Tommies have the exact same record at CSB, beat the Bennies on their home court in the first meeting and could move into second place with a win in Saturday's rematch?

If UST has fallen, which is a dubious claim at best, I'd be curious to hear your honest assessment of the Bennies...
Divert the conversation ??, it's the first time I have ever been accused of that. Usually its that I try keeping on with the conversation/discussion/argument. I'd be happy to keep the discussion going if that's what you want. I still think its whining about a trivial matter. That's why it should be over, its not a big deal.    Good question and finally some basketball talk, my "fall" of UST refers to the outstanding talent they have accumulated this year. My god, two D2 transfers at key positions most teams struggle finding players. I felt they should have dominated right from the start of the season. That its even a race this year is the big surprise. Take umbrage to my description if you want but if they don't win it all this year the Sinner should be fired!! My honest assessment of the Blazers this year. Sure, but is that in contrast to my dishonest assessment to follow??? Anyway, I think the Blazers have accomplished alot with major problems going into the season. Lets start with losing our point guard, top forward, and center from last years team. Then our top transfer was kidnapped by UST and a top recruit got a D2 scholarship 2 weeks before school started. Not whining just facts. With the team left CSB has managed to be at or near the top all year. Guilland has developed to be a major force under the basket, Stifter has raised her game to All Conference consideration, Bolin took over the point and has played admirably and we have gotten positive minutes from, Dale, Hylla and Wilcox. Where will CSB end up, the next 3 games will tell but I give Durbin a ton of credit for his coaching job this year.

Blazerguy...

To suggest that Maggie Bryant was somehow "kidnapped" or taken away from CSB by some other unethical means is simply out there in left field.  I'm sure you're disappointed that Bryant ultimately chose UST over CSB but, as WW said, there's simply no "hard" commitment at the D3 level.  And, as far as that goes, Sinn is one of the better coaches in the MIAC and her record proves that.

I thought, like most people, UST had an excellent shot at winning the conference this year given the talent they have.  But, in reality, this team misses last year's MIAC MVP Jessica Katch a lot more than they're willing to admit but they've done a pretty good job over the last several games winning 11 out of the last 13.  So, again, that's why tomorrow's matchup over at Ganglehoff Center is so huge for both squads.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 12, 2010, 04:42:44 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 12, 2010, 12:41:30 PM
I love that I bring up the unprofessionalism of the St. Ben's website with solid evidence of the fact and I am deemed a "whiner."

Then you throw out an accusation of another school being unethical in the recruitment of a student with no evidence, except "it happened just as I said...you can believe me or not." along with a disclaimer that you're not whining.

LOL. You almost can't make it up.
You were whining about your player not having her name in the headline. I agreed its not there, no evidence needed. You call it unprofessionalism and point it out, I call it whining, So be it. How do you want the "evidence" about Sinn. Do you want me to show you the CSB student paperwork, or get a statement from her assigned roomate? I can look up the article in the St. Cloud paper that made it known to everybody except evidently Sinn. (that is NOT my source by the way). Do you want me to track down the players she was scrimmaging with at UST when Sinn kept talking to her every day,and get sworn affidavids? In my opinion Sinn was unethical, you don't believe it, OK, we disagree.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 12, 2010, 05:04:27 PM
Let's be clear...it was not MY player...it was a concordia player I was advocating for. And it wasn't just omitted from the headline, it was omitted from the ENTIRE STORY!!!!!!! No mention of the player who hit a buzzer beater game-winner! And you call it whining. I call it ridiculous, pompous, selfish, and unprofessional. Who's running that sports information office anyways....oh that's right Durbin.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 12, 2010, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 12, 2010, 05:04:27 PM
Let's be clear...it was not MY player...it was a concordia player I was advocating for. And it wasn't just omitted from the headline, it was omitted from the ENTIRE STORY!!!!!!! No mention of the player who hit a buzzer beater game-winner! And you call it whining. I call it ridiculous, pompous, selfish, and unprofessional. Who's running that sports information office anyways....oh that's right Durbin.

Box.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 12, 2010, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 12, 2010, 05:04:27 PM
Let's be clear...it was not MY player...it was a concordia player I was advocating for. And it wasn't just omitted from the headline, it was omitted from the ENTIRE STORY!!!!!!! No mention of the player who hit a buzzer beater game-winner! And you call it whining. I call it ridiculous, pompous, selfish, and unprofessional. Who's running that sports information office anyways....oh that's right Durbin.
As you know it wasn't about the player, it was about your whining about the omission by CSB. You can call it whatever you want, i call it one click away.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 13, 2010, 12:00:12 AM
I'm sure Durbin has a good excuse for the ommission. He was probably busy putting out an Amber Alert for Maggie Bryant.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIAC23 on February 13, 2010, 12:09:25 AM
I can't take this anymore! First time poster, Blazerguy, wow. First of all I think it has been proven that a normal SID would point out the player who made the shot for sure in the body of the article if not the headline. This was an obviously intentional ommision by the CSB sports information "staff".

Secondly about the stealing of players, not possible at the D3 level. If you thought you still had a chance to land a player before the first day of school why would you not go for it? There are no rules against this. It just sounds like Blazerguy has a dislike for Sinn, or anyone who has anything bad to say about his institution, no matter if they are right or not.

That is my two cents. I am sure Blazerguy will disagree with me, good for him, now lets move on.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 13, 2010, 12:56:55 AM
Quote from: MIAC23 on February 13, 2010, 12:09:25 AM
I can't take this anymore! First time poster, Blazerguy, wow. First of all I think it has been proven that a normal SID would point out the player who made the shot for sure in the body of the article if not the headline. This was an obviously intentional ommision by the CSB sports information "staff".

Secondly about the stealing of players, not possible at the D3 level. If you thought you still had a chance to land a player before the first day of school why would you not go for it? There are no rules against this. It just sounds like Blazerguy has a dislike for Sinn, or anyone who has anything bad to say about his institution, no matter if they are right or not.

That is my two cents. I am sure Blazerguy will disagree with me, good for him, now lets move on.
Welcome to the board. I disagree. Lets move on.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 13, 2010, 10:54:53 PM
Sounds like the Blazers/Tommies game was up for grabs in the last five minutes and the Blazers outplayed them late to earn the victory.

Good news for the Gusties today besides the win over Bethel: Simpson lost their second straight game this week which means the Gusties should be in position to move up in the regional rankings.

Two interesting games coming up on Wednesday: St. Thomas @ Gustavus and St. Ben's @ Hamline. All four teams trying to position themselves for the MIAC playoffs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2010, 11:45:41 PM
St. Thomas news release from today:
http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/news/blazers213.html

Laura Canton scored 12 of her 15 points in the second half and the visiting Blazers had only 10 turnovers and outscored the Tommies 21-9 at the foul line in Saturday's 60-51 MIAC women's basketball victory in St. Paul. 

Amy Stifter added 15 points, eight rebounds, four steals and three assists for the Blazers, who have won eight of their last nine games. Heather Giillund was slowed by foul trouble but finished with 11 points, six rebounds and four blocks. 

St. Ben's remains in second place, one game behind Gustavus.  The Toms fell into a fourth-place tie with Macalester.

The Blazers, who ended UST's seven-game win streak, survived 29% shooting and helped limit UST to 30% shooting. CSB used a 15-2 run to end the first half with a 27-21 lead, and UST never led in the second half. 

The Toms pulled within 44-43 on Rachel Booth's 3-point basket with 6:00 left, but the Blazers used an 11-0 run over the next 5:20 to take control. 

Booth picked up two quick fouls and played just three minutes of the first half with no points. She finished with 14 points and 13 rebounds. 

UST plays Wednesday at Gustavus and closes the regular seaosn next Saturday at Hamline. 

Click here for box score: http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/stats/2-13-wbb.htm   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 14, 2010, 01:53:55 AM
In addition to Simpson's two losses this week, Cal Lutheran the No. 3 ranked team in the latest regional rankings also lost this week.

If I had to take a guess at next week's regional rankings:

1. George Fox
2. Puget Sound
3. Gustavus Adolphus
4. Occidental
5. Cal Lutheran
6. Simpson

St. Ben's could creep into the rankings at No. 6...depending on how far Simpson falls.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 15, 2010, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2010, 11:45:41 PM
St. Thomas news release from today:
http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/news/blazers213.html

Laura Canton scored 12 of her 15 points in the second half and the visiting Blazers had only 10 turnovers and outscored the Tommies 21-9 at the foul line in Saturday's 60-51 MIAC women's basketball victory in St. Paul. 

Amy Stifter added 15 points, eight rebounds, four steals and three assists for the Blazers, who have won eight of their last nine games. Heather Giillund was slowed by foul trouble but finished with 11 points, six rebounds and four blocks. 

St. Ben's remains in second place, one game behind Gustavus.  The Toms fell into a fourth-place tie with Macalester.

The Blazers, who ended UST's seven-game win streak, survived 29% shooting and helped limit UST to 30% shooting. CSB used a 15-2 run to end the first half with a 27-21 lead, and UST never led in the second half. 

The Toms pulled within 44-43 on Rachel Booth's 3-point basket with 6:00 left, but the Blazers used an 11-0 run over the next 5:20 to take control. 

Booth picked up two quick fouls and played just three minutes of the first half with no points. She finished with 14 points and 13 rebounds. 

UST plays Wednesday at Gustavus and closes the regular seaosn next Saturday at Hamline. 

Click here for box score: http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/stats/2-13-wbb.htm   
Pat, thanks for posting, I assume you will be posting all CSB games from here on.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 15, 2010, 10:50:04 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 15, 2010, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2010, 11:45:41 PM
St. Thomas news release from today:
http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/news/blazers213.html

Laura Canton scored 12 of her 15 points in the second half and the visiting Blazers had only 10 turnovers and outscored the Tommies 21-9 at the foul line in Saturday's 60-51 MIAC women's basketball victory in St. Paul. 

Amy Stifter added 15 points, eight rebounds, four steals and three assists for the Blazers, who have won eight of their last nine games. Heather Giillund was slowed by foul trouble but finished with 11 points, six rebounds and four blocks. 

St. Ben's remains in second place, one game behind Gustavus.  The Toms fell into a fourth-place tie with Macalester.

The Blazers, who ended UST's seven-game win streak, survived 29% shooting and helped limit UST to 30% shooting. CSB used a 15-2 run to end the first half with a 27-21 lead, and UST never led in the second half. 

The Toms pulled within 44-43 on Rachel Booth's 3-point basket with 6:00 left, but the Blazers used an 11-0 run over the next 5:20 to take control. 

Booth picked up two quick fouls and played just three minutes of the first half with no points. She finished with 14 points and 13 rebounds. 

UST plays Wednesday at Gustavus and closes the regular seaosn next Saturday at Hamline. 

Click here for box score: http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/stats/2-13-wbb.htm   
Pat, thanks for posting, I assume you will be posting all CSB games from here on.

Why would you assume that?

It wouldn't surprise me if Pat posted this blurb because it shows how a real SID writes a game story — more Bennies were actually mentioned than Tommies. Oddly enough, the box score was also provided  ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2010, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 15, 2010, 10:09:31 AM
Pat, thanks for posting, I assume you will be posting all CSB games from here on.

You know what happens when you assume.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 15, 2010, 05:17:41 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 15, 2010, 10:50:04 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 15, 2010, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2010, 11:45:41 PM
St. Thomas news release from today:
http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/news/blazers213.html

Laura Canton scored 12 of her 15 points in the second half and the visiting Blazers had only 10 turnovers and outscored the Tommies 21-9 at the foul line in Saturday's 60-51 MIAC women's basketball victory in St. Paul. 

Amy Stifter added 15 points, eight rebounds, four steals and three assists for the Blazers, who have won eight of their last nine games. Heather Giillund was slowed by foul trouble but finished with 11 points, six rebounds and four blocks. 

St. Ben's remains in second place, one game behind Gustavus.  The Toms fell into a fourth-place tie with Macalester.

The Blazers, who ended UST's seven-game win streak, survived 29% shooting and helped limit UST to 30% shooting. CSB used a 15-2 run to end the first half with a 27-21 lead, and UST never led in the second half. 

The Toms pulled within 44-43 on Rachel Booth's 3-point basket with 6:00 left, but the Blazers used an 11-0 run over the next 5:20 to take control. 

Booth picked up two quick fouls and played just three minutes of the first half with no points. She finished with 14 points and 13 rebounds. 

UST plays Wednesday at Gustavus and closes the regular seaosn next Saturday at Hamline. 

Click here for box score: http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/stats/2-13-wbb.htm   
Pat, thanks for posting, I assume you will be posting all CSB games from here on.

Why would you assume that?

It wouldn't surprise me if Pat posted this blurb because it shows how a real SID writes a game story — more Bennies were actually mentioned than Tommies. Oddly enough, the box score was also provided  ::)
Really....
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 15, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
All right; been putting this off long enough.  Time to come out with the weekly MIAC Power Poll.  Would have been out with this sooner but have been busy enjoying my 3-day weekend (I need more of em').

1.  GAC
2.  CSB
3.  (tie) Concordia, UST, & Macalester
4.  (tie) Hamline & St. Kate's
5.  Bethel
6.  Carleton
7.  (tie) Augsburg, St. Olaf, & SMU

Despite the slow start on Saturday vs. Bethel, Gusties keep their poise and eventually run the Royals out of playoff contention - and keep their grip on sole possession of first place.  Guess it would be the understatement of the year to say this week is HUGE for GAC.  They cannot afford to look past UST on Wednesday night to the long-awaited showdown this coming Saturday vs. CSB.  It's as simple as that for GAC.

CSB keeps its slim hopes for a shared MIAC title alive with Saturday's big road win at Ganglehoff Center vs. UST.  But they, too, have to come into their game at Hamline on Wednesday night completely focused and ready to go if they want Saturday's regular season home finale vs. GAC to mean what they want it to mean.

Despite Concordia's one-game lead over both UST and Macalester I think all three of the teams are close enough to clump 'em together.  Both Concordia and Mac have relatively easy stretches this week:  The Corn have both St. Kate's and St. Olaf at home while Mac goes to Carleton and finishes up with St. Kate's.  The Tommies, meanwhile, will have to do it the hard way going down to St. Peter on Wednesday night to take on the league-leading Gusties and then finish up the regular season tour on Saturday over at Hamline.  As strong as UST was coming down the stretch before CSB snapped the winning streak on Saturday, it's not inconceivable to see the Tommies falling all the way from the 3rd spot down to the 5th spot. 

Another interesting battle is shaping up - that for the coveted 6th spot in the MIAC playoffs between St. Kate's and Hamline.  St. Kate's could have easily wrapped up this spot some time ago - if it had taken care of business on the road vs. Augsburg and St. Olaf.  Despite Hamline's loss at St. Kate's on Saturday that pulled the 'Cats into a tie with the Pipers going into the last week of the regular season, you have to give a slight edge to Hamline here as they have both of the last two regular season games at home and it's certainly possible they could win one - or both of them if they play up to their potential.  St. Kate's will have to move heaven and earth to beat both Concordia and Maclester on the road.

So, it's come down to this.  GAC, fighting to hold on to it's dream of winning an outright MIAC regular season title.  CSB clinging to its hope of sharing the crown with GAC.  Concordia, UST, and Mac all jostling for playoff positioning and that hope of hosting an opening-round playoff game.  And Hamline and St. Kate's scratching and clawing for that 6th spot.  Make no mistake about it:  No one - and I mean NO ONE - can afford any slip-ups this week if they want to make their dreams come true. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 16, 2010, 04:16:57 PM
The game against St. Thomas is a huge one on Wednesday for the Gusties. With a win, I think they can go up to St. Joseph with no pressure. Sure the No. 1 seed and home court advantage will be on the line still, but they will have a share of the conference title in their pockets and the pride of knowing they will be able to erect a banner at Gus Young Court.

A loss against the Tommies and suddenly they will be in danger of slipping to the No. 3 seed and will likely be forced to go up to Moorhead, which as we know, is pretty much an automatic loss for the Gusties as history will show.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 16, 2010, 09:44:47 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 16, 2010, 04:16:57 PM
The game against St. Thomas is a huge one on Wednesday for the Gusties. With a win, I think they can go up to St. Joseph with no pressure. Sure the No. 1 seed and home court advantage will be on the line still, but they will have a share of the conference title in their pockets and the pride of knowing they will be able to erect a banner at Gus Young Court.

A loss against the Tommies and suddenly they will be in danger of slipping to the No. 3 seed and will likely be forced to go up to Moorhead, which as we know, is pretty much an automatic loss for the Gusties as history will show.

You certainly COULD erect a banner...but I'd probably just hang one  ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 17, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
New regional rankings are out and not much love for the MIAC:

West Region Record Overall Record
1. George Fox 15-1 21-2
2. Puget Sound 15-2 20-3
3. Occidental 18-3 19-4
4. Gustavus Adolphus 19-3 19-4
5. Cal Lutheran 18-4 18-5
6. Coe 15-7 16-7

Occidental goes from not in the rankings at all to No. 3 ahead of the Gusties. On top of that, Coe gets in at No. 6 with seven losses in region and overall instead of the Blazers who have only five losses. Hmmmmm....I'm sure Blazerguy will have something to say about it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Bird Dog on February 17, 2010, 05:52:30 PM
Four of Coes Losses have been to teams that at the time of play have been rated in one or more of the top 25 polls.  U of Chicago by 7 @ Chicago, Whitewater  by 6 @ Coe in overtime, Carthage by 7 @ Carthage (one pt. ball game with one minute to go),  Simpson by 7 @ Simpson.  

Coe has beaten Simpson by seven on its home floor.  

Coe starts three juniors and two sophomores.  Still a young team with a young coach.  That may explain the earlier losses.  

Who have the Blazers played?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 17, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
Huge night for the Gusties tonight as they turn away St. Thomas by 10 without the services of Molly Mathiowetz who was out with an illness.

St. Thomas cut a 13 point lead down to 5 with just over 5 minutes to play, but then Radtke scored five straight points and Geske added a three point play and the game was never in doubt after that.

Gusties get no help from Hamline though, so its up to St. Joseph to battle it out for the No. 1 seed.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 03:00:55 AM
I'm bored and just doing some digging right now...but is the "stolen" player that got blazerguy so fired up really Maggie Bryant? The sophomore who didn't even get in tonight and is averaging just 8.1 minutes a game?

It's clearly not a perfect fit, but this seems like a good time to paraphrase an all-timer from ultimate bad boy Gary Barnett ...

"It's obvious Maggie is not very good. She is awful. Maggie is not only a girl, she is terrible, OK? There's no other way to say it."

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 18, 2010, 07:47:13 AM
Was at the CSB - Hamline game last night.  Heather Gillund had a monster game last night for the Blazers (25 pts. IIRC) and the Pipers simply had no answer for her down low.  Canton was also huge for CSB as well last night. 

To say I'm a little disappointed with the Regional rankings would be something of an understatement.  I don't have a problem with a Coe getting in there (how COULD I have a problem with a Cedar Rapids team getting in there?  :) ) but putting Occidental ahead of GAC is just plain ludicrous (and I HATE having to knock down a team from the Motherland).  I just don't understand this one. 

BTW, congrats to GAC and Mickey Haller which clinched at least a share of the regular season title with the win last night.  Heard that Molly Mathiowetz was taken to the hospital yesterday with an undisclosed illness.  Hope she'll be okay soon.

Willy - I think you're being a little harsh on Maggie Bryant, aren't you?  She's a very good player with a bright future ahead of her at UST.  ;)

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 18, 2010, 07:47:13 AM
Willy - I think you're being a little harsh on Maggie Bryant, aren't you?  She's a very good player with a bright future ahead of her at UST.  ;)

Absolutely, it's over-the-top harsh and apologies to Bryant...though still not quit as bad as a coach telling the media one of his players is a terrible kicker after she got sexually assaulted. Still a little unsure how Barnett kept his job after that one...

For what it's worth, a little birdie told me that Durbin was able to pull off a "trade" for Bryant at the last minute by snagging FY Kirstee Rotty from the Tommies.

If that's true, I'm stunned that blazerguy didn't bring that fact to the table during his earlier tirade  ::)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 18, 2010, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 03:00:55 AM
I'm bored and just doing some digging right now...but is the "stolen" player that got blazerguy so fired up really Maggie Bryant? The sophomore who didn't even get in tonight and is averaging just 8.1 minutes a game?

It's clearly not a perfect fit, but this seems like a good time to paraphrase an all-timer from ultimate bad boy Gary Barnett ...

"It's obvious Maggie is not very good. She is awful. Maggie is not only a girl, she is terrible, OK? There's no other way to say it."


Maggie has alot of talent and should develope into a nice player for UST. However had she played for the Blazers, Durbin would have turned her into a starter or first off the bench this year. Coaching is so important especially at the D3 level. Here's hoping for a Blazer win on Saturday , a first place tie with another quality team, and a COY for Durbin.
Thanks Pat for the update from the Tommy loss. I expect that the rest of the year. Don't you expect it on Saturday unless you want to do the extra click!! Maybe Sinnn is finally feeling guilty.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 18, 2010, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 18, 2010, 07:47:13 AM
Willy - I think you're being a little harsh on Maggie Bryant, aren't you?  She's a very good player with a bright future ahead of her at UST.  ;)

Absolutely, it's over-the-top harsh and apologies to Bryant...though still not quit as bad as a coach telling the media one of his players is a terrible kicker after she got sexually assaulted. Still a little unsure how Barnett kept his job after that one...

For what it's worth, a little birdie told me that Durbin was able to pull off a "trade" for Bryant at the last minute by snagging FY Kirstee Rotty from the Tommies.

If that's true, I'm stunned that blazerguy didn't bring that fact to the table during his earlier tirade  ::)
I didn't know trades were legal in college, I will start working on some for next year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 18, 2010, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 03:00:55 AM
I'm bored and just doing some digging right now...but is the "stolen" player that got blazerguy so fired up really Maggie Bryant? The sophomore who didn't even get in tonight and is averaging just 8.1 minutes a game?

It's clearly not a perfect fit, but this seems like a good time to paraphrase an all-timer from ultimate bad boy Gary Barnett ...

"It's obvious Maggie is not very good. She is awful. Maggie is not only a girl, she is terrible, OK? There's no other way to say it."


Maggie has alot of talent and should develope into a nice player for UST. However had she played for the Blazers, Durbin would have turned her into a starter or first off the bench this year. Coaching is so important especially at the D3 level. Here's hoping for a Blazer win on Saturday , a first place tie with another quality team, and a COY for Durbin.
Thanks Pat for the update from the Tommy loss. I expect that the rest of the year. Don't you expect it on Saturday unless you want to do the extra click!! Maybe Sinnn is finally feeling guilty.

Another interesting, totally unbiased claim  ::)

Unless you're now claiming Durbin is the second coming of Mr. Miagi, that's doubtful. Bryant was hurt for the first month(s?) of the season and would have had trouble adjusting/fitting in at just about any college program she transferred to.

As an aside, you do realize her family recently moved from Sartell to Edina and her brother was a hockey stud for the Tommies who graduated in 2009, right? Call me crazy, but those things may have played a role when she was choosing a D3 school to attend.

There doesn't have to be a big conspiracy here. Ask a few questions outside of your CSB circle and you might get some surprisingly relevant answers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 18, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 18, 2010, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 03:00:55 AM
I'm bored and just doing some digging right now...but is the "stolen" player that got blazerguy so fired up really Maggie Bryant? The sophomore who didn't even get in tonight and is averaging just 8.1 minutes a game?

It's clearly not a perfect fit, but this seems like a good time to paraphrase an all-timer from ultimate bad boy Gary Barnett ...

"It's obvious Maggie is not very good. She is awful. Maggie is not only a girl, she is terrible, OK? There's no other way to say it."


Maggie has alot of talent and should develope into a nice player for UST. However had she played for the Blazers, Durbin would have turned her into a starter or first off the bench this year. Coaching is so important especially at the D3 level. Here's hoping for a Blazer win on Saturday , a first place tie with another quality team, and a COY for Durbin.
Thanks Pat for the update from the Tommy loss. I expect that the rest of the year. Don't you expect it on Saturday unless you want to do the extra click!! Maybe Sinnn is finally feeling guilty.

Another interesting, totally unbiased claim  ::)

Unless you're now claiming Durbin is the second coming of Mr. Miagi, that's doubtful. Bryant was hurt for the first month(s?) of the season and would have had trouble adjusting/fitting in at just about any college program she transferred to.

As an aside, you do realize her family recently moved from Sartell to Edina and her brother was a hockey stud for the Tommies who graduated in 2009, right? Call me crazy, but those things may have played a role when she was choosing a D3 school to attend.

There doesn't have to be a big conspiracy here. Ask a few questions outside of your CSB circle and you might get some surprisingly relevant answers.
I am very aware of everything you said. As I have stated, I have no problem with the player. Just Sinner. Also thanks for admitting I am totally unbiased.  ;)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 07:51:57 PM
You claimed kidnapping with Bryant, who never officially set foot on campus.

Since we all agree — or you do, anyway — that you're omniscient, I'd be curious to hear your explanation of this...

http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/roster/KirsteeRotty.html
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 18, 2010, 11:05:35 PM
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2010, 07:51:57 PM
You claimed kidnapping with Bryant, who never officially set foot on campus.

Since we all agree — or you do, anyway — that you're omniscient, I'd be curious to hear your explanation of this...

http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/roster/KirsteeRotty.html
I already explained the Rotty situation and I don't know what omniscient means, I didn't graduate from as fancy of college as you!  :D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 12:00:15 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 18, 2010, 01:50:19 PM
Thanks Pat for the update from the Tommy loss. I expect that the rest of the year. Don't you expect it on Saturday unless you want to do the extra click!! Maybe Sinnn is finally feeling guilty.

Nope. I was just putting it out there to show you what a professionally written game release looks like. As a former card-carrying member of CoSIDA, not to mention a veteran of a dozen years in the USA Today organization, I'm familiar with them. I kind of got the impression that you might not be, so I posted one for you.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 19, 2010, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 12:00:15 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 18, 2010, 01:50:19 PM
Thanks Pat for the update from the Tommy loss. I expect that the rest of the year. Don't you expect it on Saturday unless you want to do the extra click!! Maybe Sinnn is finally feeling guilty.

Nope. I was just putting it out there to show you what a professionally written game release looks like. As a former card-carrying member of CoSIDA, not to mention a veteran of a dozen years in the USA Today organization, I'm familiar with them. I kind of got the impression that you might not be, so I posted one for you.
I appreciate you letting us hicks know what a professionally written release looks like. I am impressed with your credentials and all the cards you carry. I once read a USA Today when I stayed at a Motel 6 so we have that in common.  :D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 20, 2010, 05:54:24 PM
Stayed away intentionally all season...no idea what the topics have been and I've enjoyed the season so much more without the bickering and expert insights here.  Just listened to the game with the Ghackers from far away and BOOK IT...5 straight conference titles for CSB...never been done before!  Congrats to Durbin and the #1 seed Blazers!  Say what you will...5 STRAIGHT! 

Unbelievably, the Blazers have been able to win 5 straight titles with their poor coaching...Durbin is just not Coach of the Year material and it is a credit to the Blazer players they are able to overcome such poor coaching.

Enjoy the hooting, hollering, and arguing.  Have a wonderful post-season...hope the MIAC gets a few teams into the NCAA's.  Best of luck to the Blazers.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 20, 2010, 07:04:47 PM
Who exactly on this message board has said one word about Durbin not being a good coach. Your attempt to make him into the victim is noted though. Poor Mike. Poor poor Mike.

I wasn't at the game at Claire Lynch today because I had to work the Gustie-Johnnie game in St. Peter. Sounds like it was a very closely contested game that could have gone either way.

I'll be interested to hear from blazerguy and L.A. Rams who I assume were both in attendance, on two calls in the final minute that I heard were "debatable."

First a foul call on the Gusties that could have been a jump ball according to one GAC fan, which sent the Blazers to the free throw line for the winning points. And then the no-call on Geske's game-winning three attempt as time expired. Sounds like two 50-50 calls that both went the Blazers way?

Congrats to the Blazers for getting the No. 1 seed after trailing in the standings for much of the year. Both St. Ben's and Gustavus will have their work cut out for them in the semifinals if a rematch is to happen.  Gustavus is likely to get the Cobbers, while St. Ben's will have to face either St. Thomas or Macalester.

And finally....I just can't resist...

More quality stuff from the St. Ben's sports information office.

"This is the Blazers fifth consecutive MIAC regular season championship, all of which were either shared or solo."


Really? Either shared or solo? What would the other option be exactly?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 20, 2010, 10:18:30 PM
Gacbacker,

Yep.  Was up at Claire Lynch for the hook job game between GAC and CSB this afternoon.  While I can say with an utmost certainty I got my money's worth I would also have to say that the enjoyment came from the great effort displayed by both squads.  The officials, however, completely ruined this beauty of a game with the bogus foul on GAC with 6 seconds left that helped provide the winning points for CSB and then the inexplicable no-call as time expired with Geske's 3-point attempt.  Thus, the 67-65 final which enables CSB to share the regular season crown with GAC but, more importantly, gives CSB the coveted #1 seed going into the MIAC playoffs next week.  Once again, the road to the MIAC Championship will (most likely) have to go through Claire Lynch and not Lund Arena/Gus Young Court like it should have.

While I'm incredibly disappointed with today's outcome - and even more bent with how it was allowed to unravel by the three a$$clown officials which effectively makes MIAC officiating as bad as the Pac 10's - I feel somewhat compelled to remark on Blazerball's comments wrt MD and the Blazers supposedly suffering from "poor coaching".  First, even though my allegiance is with GAC, MD is probably the best coach in the conference; certainly one of the top two or three.  He probably had the 5th best talented squad in the conference this year and STILL managed to snare a share of the regular season crown.  Just because he gets screwed nearly every year for COY is no reason to claim the Blazers suffer from poor coaching.  I have a lot of respect for MD and I think his record over the years proves what kind of coach he is.  He, like Mickey Haller at GAC, are both class acts IMHO.

Have to down a few ice-cold Coors Lights before I can come out with the last regular season Power Poll and handicap the MIAC playoffs for this next week.

Just incredibly sad how the officials decided the ultimate outcome of this game today instead of letting the players decide.       
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 20, 2010, 10:47:30 PM
I was at the CSB/GAC game today and I agree that the officiating was terrible, but it cut both ways most of the game.  Also, as it goes to the final non-call, even if they had called the foul, it was before the shot and would have only been St. Ben's 6th team foul.  GAC would have been throwing the ball in with less than a second remaining (at best).  Stranger things have happened I guess, but it's not as if Geske would have been at the line for a chance to tie. 

For some reason, D3Hoops has CSB with a loss to Hamline and tied with Concordia for second at 17-5.  Is a Gustie running the results page? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 20, 2010, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: scorekeeper on February 20, 2010, 10:47:30 PM
I was at the CSB/GAC game today and I agree that the officiating was terrible, but it cut both ways most of the game. 

Difficult to go along with that one; particularly when you consider the foul count was 13 for the Gusties and only 5 for CSB in the second half alone.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 20, 2010, 11:17:21 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 20, 2010, 07:04:47 PM
Who exactly on this message board has said one word about Durbin not being a good coach. Your attempt to make him into the victim is noted though. Poor Mike. Poor poor Mike.

I wasn't at the game at Claire Lynch today because I had to work the Gustie-Johnnie game in St. Peter. Sounds like it was a very closely contested game that could have gone either way.

I'll be interested to hear from blazerguy and L.A. Rams who I assume were both in attendance, on two calls in the final minute that I heard were "debatable."

First a foul call on the Gusties that could have been a jump ball according to one GAC fan, which sent the Blazers to the free throw line for the winning points. And then the no-call on Geske's game-winning three attempt as time expired. Sounds like two 50-50 calls that both went the Blazers way?

Congrats to the Blazers for getting the No. 1 seed after trailing in the standings for much of the year. Both St. Ben's and Gustavus will have their work cut out for them in the semifinals if a rematch is to happen.  Gustavus is likely to get the Cobbers, while St. Ben's will have to face either St. Thomas or Macalester.

And finally....I just can't resist...

More quality stuff from the St. Ben's sports information office.

"This is the Blazers fifth consecutive MIAC regular season championship, all of which were either shared or solo."


Really? Either shared or solo? What would the other option be exactly?
First congrats to the Blazers and Gusties on being co-champs. I would say the two best teams, coaches and fans rose to the top in the end. I thought the officials were bad most of ther game. They refused to call numerous over the back fouls that were obvious and certainly let alot go under the basket as players got hammered to the ground with no call. Now the last two situations being whined about. The call on Guilland wasn't even close to a jump ball. Definately a foul giving her two shots. The non-call with 1.8 seconds left , if called, would have given the ball to GAC with maybe .3 or .4 seconds. I thought the referee gave GAC a break by not calling the foul which allowed a desperation shot (3 pt.) with time running out. Haller is a great coach, in my opinion the 2nd best in the MIAC, if they could have Co-COY's this year it would be perfect. Radke is a terrific point guard, glad she's graduating. AND, i would like to say the GAC fans were great, they respectively sat and watched the Blazers celebrate and watch the short Senior presentations. GAC should be proud of the team, coaches, and fans. Blazerball, why don't you crawl back into the hole you have been in all year. :-\
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on February 21, 2010, 01:34:36 AM
Can't resist...clearly sarcasm is lost on LA Rams and blazerguy.  My comments are aimed directly at the other coaches in the MIAC who have, laughingly, decided to block Durbin from claiming Coach of Year.  While there are deserving coaches in the conference of the award, like Haller, it is almost criminal for the coach of the team with five consecutive titles to not win the COY award.  I would be willing to bet Durbin is denied again this year. 

Ah...I so miss the back and forth with Ghackbacker.  Yes, the Ghackers led the conference most of the season...because of the schedule that had them play at CSB in the final game of the season.  What a silly comment...for someone so critical of the poor writing on the CSB sports page (I agree) it is rather humorous you actually write that as if it actually means anything.  Are there bonus points for being in the conference lead the most days?  Is that in the NCAA selection formula? 

As for officiating...it's been brutal for everyone in the MIAC for years and years.  Deal with it.  Get over it.  Move on.  I'm sure GHackers think they were cheated and CSB gets all the calls.  You do know the Blazers pay the refs, right?   Worth every penny.

Love and cookies to all.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 21, 2010, 12:21:32 PM
A few too many Coors Lights prevented me from getting out the last regular season MIAC Power Poll last night so here I am refreshed and ready to go this A.M. (or, something like that).

1.  (tie)  GAC & CSB
2.  Concordia
3.  Macalester
4.  UST
5.  (tie) St. Kate's, Hamline, & Bethel
6.  (tie) Carleton & St. Olaf
7.  (tie) Augsburg & SMU

A no-brainer on the top two teams entangled at the top of the heap.  Am still incredibly disappointed that GAC has to share the regular season crown with its arch-rival - and give up the #1 seed in the process because of SPTR's that exist in the MIAC (a term used on Bruins Nation to describe the horrific officiating that exists in the Pac 10).  At the same time, I have to tip my hat to CSB for overcoming a number of odds against them in doing this.  I have a feeling that yesterday's clash may only be the second of three acts.

Despite CSB's win yesterday that knocked the Corn down from potentially the #2 seed to the (now) #3 seed, Concordia had the least stressful tests coming down on the home stretch and made the most of it.  This team has become a fixture in the MIAC playoffs over the last 5-6 years now but has only one MIAC Championship game title to hang its hat on.  Not sure if this team has the necessary firepower to make a return trip to the MIAC Championship game or not. 

A big congratulations to Macalester for not only clinching their first-ever MIAC playoff appearance this season but also doing well enough down the stretch to clinch a home court appearance for their first-round game on Monday night.  A tough spell back in late January/early February may have kept this squad from busting the party at the top.

In falling down to the #5 seed, UST may have been the biggest disappointment among the supposed title contenders at the beginning of the year.  Still, they did pretty well after the first of the year and reeled off a string of wins in the process.  Perhaps the one element that UST was missing this year - that of senior leadership - may have been the difference that kept them from inching closer to the top.  Still, with what they did bodes well for next year with the experience and you cannot take this team lightly going into this next week.

St. Kate's, Hamline, and Bethel all wound up tied for the 6th spot and there isn't a lot of difference between the three teams.  Each had their moments this season and each was never really able to take advantage of a situation when it was handed to them.  In the end, St. Kate's gets the nod with the tie-breaker and a berth in the MIAC playoffs.  Meow.

(Hopfeully) sometime later today I'll be breaking down and handicapping this next week's MIAC Playoff bash.  Right now, I need to go to the medicine cabinet and see if I can locate any extra-strength Excedrin.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: carletonsid on February 22, 2010, 04:57:09 PM
Thought some of you here might be interested to know this:
Tammy Metcalf-Filzen Announces Retirement (http://apps.carleton.edu/athletics/varsity_sports/womens_basketball/?story_id=610021)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 22, 2010, 10:52:24 PM
That's big news about Tammy.  I felt she always got more out of her teams than the talent they had "on paper."  Given what I saw this year out of the Knights they will have a tough time bouncing back under a new coach with a transition coming at a critical time for recruiting.  I doubt they can find someone who will be able to match the success Tammy brought with the multiple conference titles and NCAA appearances.  Best wishes to Tammy in her next chapter in life and I hope she can still find time for basketball in some way. 

Switching gears, what a night for the Wildcats.  I am very impressed with them traveling to Moorhead and knocking of the Cobbers.  While I know they will pose a threat to the Blazers, I am glad to see them instead of St. Thomas in the semi finals.  I am also glad to see the team that swept CSB this year out of the picture as well.  What a great match it should be at GAC Wed. night.  That should be a blood bath.  I watched a bit of the second half of the Mac/UST game on the web and it seemed like Mac was just a little too tight playing in their first playoff game and in front of the home crowd.  Great season for them though, and what a story going from non existent to 16-7 in just a few seasons. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on February 23, 2010, 12:25:23 AM
could someone on here explain to LA RAMS how standings work?   If 2 teams are tied for first, the next team after them is in THIRD place not second. Augsburg & SMU tied for 11th not 7th.

I like that "fifth straight championship, all of which were either shared or solo"....I about choked laughing so hard.  I mean, that is classic, right up there with a warning on a toaster "do not use this in a bath tub." Do they not teach writing at CSB?

That is BIG shocking news about Tammy. She is one of the classiest people I've met around the MIAC. A great coach, intense competitor, yet a champion for the league and all of its members.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 23, 2010, 07:38:21 AM
Was at the UST - Macalester game last night.  Thought maybe Mac was a little too tight despite the fact that they did get out to a 7-0 lead.  Trina PaStarr struggled the whole evening and the Rene Sisters were not able to light it up from the outside.  More importantly, Rachel Booth was simply too strong down low.  Don't remember how many easy shots that Mac had that wouldn't fall; and missed FTs as well.

Am not all that surprised about St. Kate's going up to Moorhead and knocking off a solid Concordia team that has had some up and down moments this year.  Looks like the Cats got 'em on a good night.

Miacmaniac - My power rankings have been done all season w/o regard to the actual conference standings.  Sometimes they reflected the standings more or less; sometimes they didn't.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 24, 2010, 03:27:23 PM
Latest Regional Rankings are out:

1. George Fox 17-1 23-2
2. Puget Sound 17-2 22-3
3. Redlands 19-4 20-5
4. Gustavus Adolphus 20-4 20-5
5. Coe 17-7 18-7
6. St. Benedict 20-5 20-5

Another new team from the SCIAC jumps to No. 3...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 25, 2010, 10:14:49 AM
A tough one for Gustavus last night...Radtke went down with an ankle injury midway through the first half and sat out the remainder of the first half. She played just about the entire second half but wasn't herself. Then later in the game, Booth went down with what looked like an ankle injury and missed 5 or 6 minutes late in the second half.

The loss definitely hurts the Gusties' NCAA tournament hopes, but if St. Ben's can hold off the Tommies in the championship game I think they still have a shot. A lot of course will depend on what happens across the country in other conference tournaments.

Looks like the Blazers and St. Kate's had an entertaining game as well. The Kitty Kats were up 16 at one point?!?! Nice comeback by the Blazers, but not all that surprising to be honest. I've seen Durbin-led teams play a stinky first half and come out and look like a totally different team in the second half many times.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2010, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on February 24, 2010, 03:27:23 PM
Another new team from the SCIAC jumps to No. 3...

The women's committee definitely needs to follow the men's committee's lead and rank more teams. These jumps would seem less arbitrary if a team was ranked No. 7 the previous week.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on February 25, 2010, 10:01:17 PM
I was trying to take a look around the region to see how things are developing and take a stab at what pool c might look like for the MIAC.  The top WIAC teams won which is good since I think they were both locks anyway.  The top IIAC teams won as well, which I think is a good thing, except that it might have been better for the MIAC for Coe to lose in the semis and then Simpson take the title over BVU.  It would have made Coe more of a bubble team than if they lose to Simpson Saturday. 

At this point it seems like a toss up if it's between Coe and GAC or CSB given strength of schedule.  Coe would certainly be ahead of UST.  Also, the NWC is tipping off the semis and the top two teams there would seem to be locks so hopefully they both win.  After looking at what happened last year and thinking about how things are shaping up this year, I am becoming more convinced the MIAC will get the AQ and that's it.  I know we have to consider what is going on in the East as well, but given budget concerns I have to think the committee will have travel distance in the back of their mind when organizing the pods.  I believe it's going to come down to one pool C bid for either the IIAC or MIAC, but not both. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2010, 02:45:15 AM
They will consider travel distance when bracketing the teams, but not when selecting them. MN/IA/WI is not so far out in the hinterlands that they can't find another team within 500 miles to pair up with teams who qualify via the criteria.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
UST wins over St. Bens, 65-62 in OT
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 27, 2010, 08:17:18 PM
Quote from: buf on February 27, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
UST wins over St. Bens, 65-62 in OT
Great win today by UST, unfortunately the officials again decided the outcome with 12 seconds to go. Good luck to all MIAC teams that get into the NCAA playoffs. UST should have a good chance with strong play by Booth and a solid supporting cast. Hopefully CSB will get in also but at this point who knows, we've been screwed over before by the playoffs selection committee.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2010, 09:42:20 PM
Great MIAC Championship Game today as UST wins a thriller in OT at CSB.  Thought the Tommies did a great job in neutralizing the effectiveness of Heather Gillund who had been on something of a tear coming down the home stretch of the season.  Booth showed why she's probably the best player in the MIAC with her performance this afternoon.

With today's turn of events I would have to THINK that CSB is safely in anyway although now they'll most likely get sent somewhere else.  Hard telling what the NCAA brain wizards will do with UST now that they have the AQ.  Simpson's win over Coe in Cedar Rapids will probably give the IIAC Champ Storm a pretty good shot at hosting for this next week.  Ironically, with Coe's loss today, GAC still may not be giving up the ghost just yet as far as that cherished NCAA Tourney invite is concerned.  Stay tuned.... 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: carletonsid on February 28, 2010, 10:48:57 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on February 27, 2010, 08:17:18 PM
Quote from: buf on February 27, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
UST wins over St. Bens, 65-62 in OT
Great win today by UST, unfortunately the officials again decided the outcome with 12 seconds to go. Good luck to all MIAC teams that get into the NCAA playoffs. UST should have a good chance with strong play by Booth and a solid supporting cast. Hopefully CSB will get in also but at this point who knows, we've been screwed over before by the playoffs selection committee.
Sounds like, at least according to Amy Stifter's comments to the St. Cloud Times, that the first in-bounds pass was off her foot, not off UST. With that said, wouldn't be shocking if MIAC women's officials missed a key call (or any call). Sounded like a great game, but one I'm sure CSB feels like they should have won.

I sure hope CSB gets into the tourney, along with GAC. They have the same resume, basically, even down to two of three non-conference foes they played and the outcome (both beat Eau Claire and Wartburg, which are solid wins).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on February 28, 2010, 06:13:34 PM
D3Hoops is projecting that both Gustavus and St. Ben's will get Pool C bids, but they have them as the last two teams getting in. Going to be an anxious wait to find out.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerball on March 01, 2010, 12:26:14 AM
Actually, a revised projection now has CSB left off...and GAC in the field.  Interesting...but not surprising given the NCAA's natural proclivity to deny CSB at-large berths  Remember - they got left out at 22-3 so this would not be a shocker.  I can understand the NCAA leaving both out but if the NCAA puts GAC in and CSB out...wow wow wow.  Please note...I am not arguing that CSB should be selected OVER GAC...they both have arguments and there is no way the committee can honestly choose one over the other...but they will...and it will be GAC.  Bank on it.  The stats are not in favor of either - it's basically a wash.  There is one intangible...   

Winning percentage - slight edge to GAC:
CSB 21-6 (.78) - all games against D3 schools...
GAC 20-5 (.80) - one loss was to D2...

Strength of Schedule - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .508 - rank #189
GAC - .502 - rank #211

Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .507
GAC - .499

Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .511
GAC - .508

GAC was 2-1 against UST and CSB was 1-2.  GAC lost to Hamline who was sub-.500 this year.  GAC lost in th semis of the conference tourney and CSB lost in the title game.  But, that extra win vs. UST could give them a slight edge. Then again, CSB has 21 Division 3 wins so it is too close to call...

SO - these two look fairly even and I just do not know how the NCAA could possibly justify picking one over the other.  They will and GAC will get the nod. ..trust me...it will happen.  CSB fans will have every right to complain.  And, to be perfecrtly fair, if CSB is chosen over GAC then GAC fans would have an argument based on what I have seen.  If GAC is denied and CSB gets a bid I will be the first to say they should have BOTH either been given bids or denied bids.  The committiee will, most definitely, keep CSB out...count on it.

The only factor I can see decidely in the GAC's favor would be having their coach on the region committee and the region committee rankings are a secondary criteria.  Understandably, GAC's coach would rank GAC ahead of CSB. Can't blame her as I would do the same.  It's just unfortunate that it could possibly come down to that selection criteria because then it is not the objective process the NCAA prides itself on...

Before I get ripped too much...I hope BOTH CSB and GAC squeek into the tourney.  But, I am not optimistic for my Blazers.  Wish we could have taken care of those darn Tommies and their scholarship athletes...oops...student-athletes!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2010, 07:47:35 AM
I more or less have to agree with Blazerball here on most of his points.  I'd love to have the Gusties get in but you wonder with their classic choke jobs they've managed to pull off in their last two games if they're really deserving.  I honestly have to say that CSB BELONGS in.  They just do.  I mean, if you tie for the regular season title and then get to the MIAC Championship Game, that should be enough to rest on.  Had Coe managed to beat Simpson at home in Cedar Rapids then that might have blown this argument kablooey but the fact that Simpson won; giving them the IIAC AQ likely puts Coe on the edge now with either GAC and/or CSB with an advantage over the Kohawks.  Was reviewing the projections on the home page myself and am not sure what to make of it right now.  We'll see....   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 01, 2010, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: blazerball on March 01, 2010, 12:26:14 AM
Actually, a revised projection now has CSB left off...and GAC in the field.  Interesting...but not surprising given the NCAA's natural proclivity to deny CSB at-large berths  Remember - they got left out at 22-3 so this would not be a shocker.  I can understand the NCAA leaving both out but if the NCAA puts GAC in and CSB out...wow wow wow.  Please note...I am not arguing that CSB should be selected OVER GAC...they both have arguments and there is no way the committee can honestly choose one over the other...but they will...and it will be GAC.  Bank on it.  The stats are not in favor of either - it's basically a wash.  There is one intangible...   

Winning percentage - slight edge to GAC:
CSB 21-6 (.78) - all games against D3 schools...
GAC 20-5 (.80) - one loss was to D2...

Strength of Schedule - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .508 - rank #189
GAC - .502 - rank #211

Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .507
GAC - .499

Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .511
GAC - .508

GAC was 2-1 against UST and CSB was 1-2.  GAC lost to Hamline who was sub-.500 this year.  GAC lost in th semis of the conference tourney and CSB lost in the title game.  But, that extra win vs. UST could give them a slight edge. Then again, CSB has 21 Division 3 wins so it is too close to call...

SO - these two look fairly even and I just do not know how the NCAA could possibly justify picking one over the other.  They will and GAC will get the nod. ..trust me...it will happen.  CSB fans will have every right to complain.  And, to be perfecrtly fair, if CSB is chosen over GAC then GAC fans would have an argument based on what I have seen.  If GAC is denied and CSB gets a bid I will be the first to say they should have BOTH either been given bids or denied bids.  The committiee will, most definitely, keep CSB out...count on it.

The only factor I can see decidely in the GAC's favor would be having their coach on the region committee and the region committee rankings are a secondary criteria.  Understandably, GAC's coach would rank GAC ahead of CSB. Can't blame her as I would do the same.  It's just unfortunate that it could possibly come down to that selection criteria because then it is not the objective process the NCAA prides itself on...

Before I get ripped too much...I hope BOTH CSB and GAC squeek into the tourney.  But, I am not optimistic for my Blazers.  Wish we could have taken care of those darn Tommies and their scholarship athletes...oops...student-athletes!!

This all coming from the guy whose favorite word this year has been "WHINER"

My God could you possibly be more of a passive aggressive, whining, whack-job conspiracy theorist?

I'm sure the Blazers will also get screwed on the conference awards and of course coach of the year. Then Obama will blame St. Ben's for the recession and the CEO of Toyota will find some way to blame Durbin for his company's problems.

I just heard CNN report that when Blazerball jumped up and down in a tantrum after seeing that d3hoops.com projected that Gustavus was in and St. Ben's was out that it caused an aftershock in Chile.

Stay tuned for more news regarding the world is against St. Ben's...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 01, 2010, 12:58:01 PM
Wow...Minnesota Morris gets in and GAC and St. Ben's stay home. Bummer.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 01, 2010, 12:58:01 PM
Wow...Minnesota Morris gets in and GAC and St. Ben's stay home. Bummer.

I had a feeling this may happen.  A few years ago the WIAC men were in a similar situation.  D3hoops projected both in, I believe, but the NCAA kept both out because one didn't stand out over the other when applying the criteria.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2010, 01:31:03 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 01, 2010, 12:58:01 PM
Wow...Minnesota Morris gets in and GAC and St. Ben's stay home. Bummer.

"WOW" would likely be the understatement of this relatively young new year.  I'm curious how the brain (dead) wizards at the NCAA justified allowing FIVE NESCAC teams into the tourney; even more so Minnesota-Morris.   FREAKING Minnesota-Morris at 19-7; ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!!  Let's see here, hmmm...UM-M got beat by Presentation by double-digits in their own crib no less.  Presentation then goes to Northwestern and gets unceremoniously dumped in the UMAC Championship Game by host Northwestern (which, BTW, was beaten at home by Bethel on New Year's Eve which just also happened to get swept by both GAC, CSB, AND UST).  I don't know.  I really don't have so much of a problem with GAC not getting in by its own merit BUT to choose UM-M over GAC, CSB, and even Coe is simply laughable. 

All I can say is that whatever the NCAA people were smokin' must have been pretty good stuff.  Maybe they can share it with the rest of us. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:38:11 PM
At 20-8, Southern Maine gets in over GAC and St Bens.

Also, 5 NESCAC teams.


I think that the MIAC should really start looking at dropping some conference games (playing only some teams once), thus getting the opportunity for the top teams to schedule good non-conference teams to improve their SOS.  The way the MIAC does it now, the possible teams considered for pool C selection will always have a SOS around .50 or slightly better.

With less conference games, there may be some "unfairness" within the conference, but it may help come national tourney time.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 01, 2010, 01:31:03 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 01, 2010, 12:58:01 PM
Wow...Minnesota Morris gets in and GAC and St. Ben's stay home. Bummer.

"WOW" would likely be the understatement of this relatively young new year.  I'm curious how the brain (dead) wizards at the NCAA justified allowing FIVE NESCAC teams into the tourney; even more so Minnesota-Morris.   FREAKING Minnesota-Morris at 19-7; ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!!  Let's see here, hmmm...UM-M got beat by Presentation by double-digits in their own crib no less.  Presentation then goes to Northwestern and gets unceremoniously dumped in the UMAC Championship Game by host Northwestern (which, BTW, was beaten at home by Bethel on New Year's Eve which just also happened to get swept by both GAC, CSB, AND UST).  I don't know.  I really don't have so much of a problem with GAC not getting in by its own merit BUT to choose UM-M over GAC, CSB, and even Coe is simply laughable. 

All I can say is that whatever the NCAA people were smokin' must have been pretty good stuff.  Maybe they can share it with the rest of us. 

Minnesota Morris is a Pool B team.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 01, 2010, 02:29:08 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 01, 2010, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: blazerball on March 01, 2010, 12:26:14 AM
Actually, a revised projection now has CSB left off...and GAC in the field.  Interesting...but not surprising given the NCAA's natural proclivity to deny CSB at-large berths  Remember - they got left out at 22-3 so this would not be a shocker.  I can understand the NCAA leaving both out but if the NCAA puts GAC in and CSB out...wow wow wow.  Please note...I am not arguing that CSB should be selected OVER GAC...they both have arguments and there is no way the committee can honestly choose one over the other...but they will...and it will be GAC.  Bank on it.  The stats are not in favor of either - it's basically a wash.  There is one intangible...   

Winning percentage - slight edge to GAC:
CSB 21-6 (.78) - all games against D3 schools...
GAC 20-5 (.80) - one loss was to D2...

Strength of Schedule - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .508 - rank #189
GAC - .502 - rank #211

Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .507
GAC - .499

Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .511
GAC - .508

GAC was 2-1 against UST and CSB was 1-2.  GAC lost to Hamline who was sub-.500 this year.  GAC lost in th semis of the conference tourney and CSB lost in the title game.  But, that extra win vs. UST could give them a slight edge. Then again, CSB has 21 Division 3 wins so it is too close to call...

SO - these two look fairly even and I just do not know how the NCAA could possibly justify picking one over the other.  They will and GAC will get the nod. ..trust me...it will happen.  CSB fans will have every right to complain.  And, to be perfecrtly fair, if CSB is chosen over GAC then GAC fans would have an argument based on what I have seen.  If GAC is denied and CSB gets a bid I will be the first to say they should have BOTH either been given bids or denied bids.  The committiee will, most definitely, keep CSB out...count on it.

The only factor I can see decidely in the GAC's favor would be having their coach on the region committee and the region committee rankings are a secondary criteria.  Understandably, GAC's coach would rank GAC ahead of CSB. Can't blame her as I would do the same.  It's just unfortunate that it could possibly come down to that selection criteria because then it is not the objective process the NCAA prides itself on...

Before I get ripped too much...I hope BOTH CSB and GAC squeek into the tourney.  But, I am not optimistic for my Blazers.  Wish we could have taken care of those darn Tommies and their scholarship athletes...oops...student-athletes!!

This all coming from the guy whose favorite word this year has been "WHINER"

My God could you possibly be more of a passive aggressive, whining, whack-job conspiracy theorist?

I'm sure the Blazers will also get screwed on the conference awards and of course coach of the year. Then Obama will blame St. Ben's for the recession and the CEO of Toyota will find some way to blame Durbin for his company's problems.

I just heard CNN report that when Blazerball jumped up and down in a tantrum after seeing that d3hoops.com projected that Gustavus was in and St. Ben's was out that it caused an aftershock in Chile.

Stay tuned for more news regarding the world is against St. Ben's...
Please don't confuse Blazerball with Blazerguy. Blazerball is the therorist, I only speak the truth.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: carletonsid on March 01, 2010, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:38:11 PM
At 20-8, Southern Maine gets in over GAC and St Bens.

Also, 5 NESCAC teams.


I think that the MIAC should really start looking at dropping some conference games (playing only some teams once), thus getting the opportunity for the top teams to schedule good non-conference teams to improve their SOS.  The way the MIAC does it now, the possible teams considered for pool C selection will always have a SOS around .50 or slightly better.

With less conference games, there may be some "unfairness" within the conference, but it may help come national tourney time.

First off, really too bad a pair of quality teams in GAC and CSB were left out. But, I think there are games on both teams' schedules they could look at and realize those losses cost them a spot in the big dance. As you corrrectly point out, without a lot of chances to impress out of conference, you can't have those trip-ups in conference play.

It might be true that more out-of-conference games will help the SoS, but where do you go? If you're GAC, CSB or UST, you'll end up playing WIAC teams. Just go ask SJU football how hard it is to find non-conference games against quality opponents. I believe SJU is relegated to playing Northwestern (MN) next year because they couldn't find anyone else to play. Plus, you can't just go play those games, you have to win some of them.

The other factor is cost--certainly cheaper to play double round-robin within the state rather than bus to Wisconsin or Iowa 3-4 more times a year. I guess it just depends on where the conference's priorities are in this moment. Of course, didn't two MIAC teams go last year and three the year before? So it's kind of hard to fault the system. It may not work to our advantage every year, but I guess I don't see 10 other institutions voting to split the conference into a pair of divisions so that two schools who feel like they got jobbed on the NCAA selection process can go play more non-conference games, if that's even what CSB and/or GAC wants.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 03:07:40 PM
We had coach Mickey Haller on Hoopsville last night and we asked her specifically about splitting into divisions. She did not advocate that but suggested perhaps the conference could do what others have done and shorten the conference schedule by a couple of games in order to let schools schedule five games out of conference.

In other leagues this is done via some sort of power rating to make sure all the top teams in the conference play each other twice whenever possible. And you'd always play your top rival school twice, etc.

A full double round-robin with 12 schools is rather unwieldy in a 25-game schedule, you must admit.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: carletonsid on March 01, 2010, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:38:11 PM
At 20-8, Southern Maine gets in over GAC and St Bens.

Also, 5 NESCAC teams.


I think that the MIAC should really start looking at dropping some conference games (playing only some teams once), thus getting the opportunity for the top teams to schedule good non-conference teams to improve their SOS.  The way the MIAC does it now, the possible teams considered for pool C selection will always have a SOS around .50 or slightly better.

With less conference games, there may be some "unfairness" within the conference, but it may help come national tourney time.

First off, really too bad a pair of quality teams in GAC and CSB were left out. But, I think there are games on both teams' schedules they could look at and realize those losses cost them a spot in the big dance. As you corrrectly point out, without a lot of chances to impress out of conference, you can't have those trip-ups in conference play.

It might be true that more out-of-conference games will help the SoS, but where do you go? If you're GAC, CSB or UST, you'll end up playing WIAC teams. Just go ask SJU football how hard it is to find non-conference games against quality opponents. I believe SJU is relegated to playing Northwestern (MN) next year because they couldn't find anyone else to play. Plus, you can't just go play those games, you have to win some of them.

The other factor is cost--certainly cheaper to play double round-robin within the state rather than bus to Wisconsin or Iowa 3-4 more times a year. I guess it just depends on where the conference's priorities are in this moment. Of course, didn't two MIAC teams go last year and three the year before? So it's kind of hard to fault the system. It may not work to our advantage every year, but I guess I don't see 10 other institutions voting to split the conference into a pair of divisions so that two schools who feel like they got jobbed on the NCAA selection process can go play more non-conference games, if that's even what CSB and/or GAC wants.

It is definetly a tough decision.  But as long as they play only 3 non-conference games, teams just won't have an opportunity for a higher SOS
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 03:22:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 03:07:40 PM
In other leagues this is done via some sort of power rating to make sure all the top teams in the conference play each other twice whenever possible. And you'd always play your top rival school twice, etc.

A full double round-robin with 12 schools is rather unwieldy in a 25-game schedule, you must admit.

Never heard of that power rating before, but it seems pretty sweet.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 03:24:30 PM
Carletonsid-

Are you sending a crew to videocast the Carleton/Point mens game? 

I think you sent a crew to Simpson a couple years ago for a women's game versus UWEC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on March 01, 2010, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: blazerball on March 01, 2010, 12:26:14 AM
Actually, a revised projection now has CSB left off...and GAC in the field.  Interesting...but not surprising given the NCAA's natural proclivity to deny CSB at-large berths  Remember - they got left out at 22-3 so this would not be a shocker.  I can understand the NCAA leaving both out but if the NCAA puts GAC in and CSB out...wow wow wow.  Please note...I am not arguing that CSB should be selected OVER GAC...they both have arguments and there is no way the committee can honestly choose one over the other...but they will...and it will be GAC.  Bank on it.  The stats are not in favor of either - it's basically a wash.  There is one intangible...   

Winning percentage - slight edge to GAC:
CSB 21-6 (.78) - all games against D3 schools...
GAC 20-5 (.80) - one loss was to D2...

Strength of Schedule - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .508 - rank #189
GAC - .502 - rank #211

Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .507
GAC - .499

Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .511
GAC - .508

GAC was 2-1 against UST and CSB was 1-2.  GAC lost to Hamline who was sub-.500 this year.  GAC lost in th semis of the conference tourney and CSB lost in the title game.  But, that extra win vs. UST could give them a slight edge. Then again, CSB has 21 Division 3 wins so it is too close to call...

SO - these two look fairly even and I just do not know how the NCAA could possibly justify picking one over the other.  They will and GAC will get the nod. ..trust me...it will happen.  CSB fans will have every right to complain.  And, to be perfecrtly fair, if CSB is chosen over GAC then GAC fans would have an argument based on what I have seen.  If GAC is denied and CSB gets a bid I will be the first to say they should have BOTH either been given bids or denied bids.  The committiee will, most definitely, keep CSB out...count on it.

The only factor I can see decidely in the GAC's favor would be having their coach on the region committee and the region committee rankings are a secondary criteria.  Understandably, GAC's coach would rank GAC ahead of CSB. Can't blame her as I would do the same.  It's just unfortunate that it could possibly come down to that selection criteria because then it is not the objective process the NCAA prides itself on...

Before I get ripped too much...I hope BOTH CSB and GAC squeek into the tourney.  But, I am not optimistic for my Blazers.  Wish we could have taken care of those darn Tommies and their scholarship athletes...oops...student-athletes!!
whatever you're smoking, it most definitley is illegal. Your lack of class and respect for opponents is amazing. If you can't win on the playing field, then the other team obviously must be cheating, right?  Why not grow up and accept the fact that your beloved Bennies were beaten fairly on the playing field. case closed. You dont see people making idiotic baseless accusations of "scholarships" when talking bout your beloved SJU football, do you? 

Before reading your rant, I felt bad that CSB and GAC got left out. Now, I still feel bad that GAC got left out.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 01, 2010, 05:09:33 PM
I think I remember Pat Coleman saying that the committee doesn't take geography into account when selecting teams, only when making the brackets, but I can't help but think that if Chapman gets selected instead of UM-Morris that either GAC or St. Ben's gets in.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 01, 2010, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: miacmaniac on March 01, 2010, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: blazerball on March 01, 2010, 12:26:14 AM
Actually, a revised projection now has CSB left off...and GAC in the field.  Interesting...but not surprising given the NCAA's natural proclivity to deny CSB at-large berths  Remember - they got left out at 22-3 so this would not be a shocker.  I can understand the NCAA leaving both out but if the NCAA puts GAC in and CSB out...wow wow wow.  Please note...I am not arguing that CSB should be selected OVER GAC...they both have arguments and there is no way the committee can honestly choose one over the other...but they will...and it will be GAC.  Bank on it.  The stats are not in favor of either - it's basically a wash.  There is one intangible...   

Winning percentage - slight edge to GAC:
CSB 21-6 (.78) - all games against D3 schools...
GAC 20-5 (.80) - one loss was to D2...

Strength of Schedule - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .508 - rank #189
GAC - .502 - rank #211

Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .507
GAC - .499

Opponents Opponents Winning Percentage - slight edge to CSB:
CSB - .511
GAC - .508

GAC was 2-1 against UST and CSB was 1-2.  GAC lost to Hamline who was sub-.500 this year.  GAC lost in th semis of the conference tourney and CSB lost in the title game.  But, that extra win vs. UST could give them a slight edge. Then again, CSB has 21 Division 3 wins so it is too close to call...

SO - these two look fairly even and I just do not know how the NCAA could possibly justify picking one over the other.  They will and GAC will get the nod. ..trust me...it will happen.  CSB fans will have every right to complain.  And, to be perfecrtly fair, if CSB is chosen over GAC then GAC fans would have an argument based on what I have seen.  If GAC is denied and CSB gets a bid I will be the first to say they should have BOTH either been given bids or denied bids.  The committiee will, most definitely, keep CSB out...count on it.

The only factor I can see decidely in the GAC's favor would be having their coach on the region committee and the region committee rankings are a secondary criteria.  Understandably, GAC's coach would rank GAC ahead of CSB. Can't blame her as I would do the same.  It's just unfortunate that it could possibly come down to that selection criteria because then it is not the objective process the NCAA prides itself on...

Before I get ripped too much...I hope BOTH CSB and GAC squeek into the tourney.  But, I am not optimistic for my Blazers.  Wish we could have taken care of those darn Tommies and their scholarship athletes...oops...student-athletes!!
whatever you're smoking, it most definitley is illegal. Your lack of class and respect for opponents is amazing. If you can't win on the playing field, then the other team obviously must be cheating, right?  Why not grow up and accept the fact that your beloved Bennies were beaten fairly on the playing field. case closed. You dont see people making idiotic baseless accusations of "scholarships" when talking bout your beloved SJU football, do you? 

Before reading your rant, I felt bad that CSB and GAC got left out. Now, I still feel bad that GAC got left out.

To be fair, UST *does* offer "academic" scholarships to a minority athlete in every varsity sport every single year. That's technically by the rules since its endowment is large enough to make it work financially...but it's an advantage the rest of the league doesn't also enjoy (or employ, if it could).

As an example, UST men's point guard (who's will be a 4-year starter next year) is paying less to be a Tommie than he would have if he accepted the full-ride offer he received to attend Bemidji State. Call me crazy, but I think he's made a difference in the Tommies' nation-best 123-19 run over the last five years.

Yes, the Tommies still have to perform on the court/field/pool/etc...but to claim they don't have a serious recruiting advantage is a little disingenuous.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blueangel on March 01, 2010, 08:16:34 PM
Wow is right!   Morriss?  Anyhow??  And I did not know that St. Thomas is able to offer a scholarship in the manner that was described.  How different is that from what WIAC does?

Sorry about ST. Bens and GA.  Seems it was going to be both or neither one.  There was really was a great deal of parity this year or the conference would not have been so even!

Go figure>>>>>>>  St. Bens is beat twice by CC; CC beats St. Thomas twice.  It could have been any of 6 teams championship and either that shows how good many of the teams are OR how simply average.  Can't tell which.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2010, 09:49:30 PM
OK, so EXACTLY how does this work anyway?  HOW DOES the NCAA Tournament Committee justify taking BOTH UM-Morris AND Northland over teams such as GAC, CSB, and Coe anyway?  I mean, if the need to select a team from the UMAC (or two for that matter) is so acute, why not take Northwestern??  THEY WON THE FREAKING UMAC TOURNAMENT!!!!  I mean, what?  That isn't enough anymore?  Geez.  I hope they AT LEAST got to go to the local DQ for ice cream sundaes afterward.  I think they deserve at least that.  Meanwhile, BOTH UM-M and Northland lost on their home floors by DOUBLE DIGITS in the UMAC tourney semifinals.  Okay, okay...To be fair here, both PROBABLY got their Dance tickets punched earlier in the year by beating perennial powererhouses Crown, North Central, and Trinity Bible College; names that, without a doubt, put the fear of God in the world of womens college basketball.  Good enough for me.  Put 'em in.

Honestly, this is the most (expletive deleted) up piece of (expletive deleted) I've ever encountered in sports; as a fan or participant.  

(Message edited by Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez)  
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 01, 2010, 10:23:15 PM
Extremely disappointing as we expected. Unfortunately the NCAA gods don't have to answer to anyone or explain to anyone. You would think the NCAA committee would be looking for the top 64 teams but no, its unexplainable and they don't have to explain to anyone. They are the gods of the NCAA. We are powerless against the gods.  :-[ :-X :-\ :'( :( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
The final regional ranking:

West Region Record Overall Record
1. George Fox 19-1 25-2
2. Puget Sound 18-3 23-4
3. Redlands 21-4 22-5
4. Simpson 18-4 22-5
5. Gustavus Adolphus 20-5 20-6
6. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 21-7 21-7
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2010, 01:25:26 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on March 01, 2010, 05:09:33 PM
I think I remember Pat Coleman saying that the committee doesn't take geography into account when selecting teams, only when making the brackets, but I can't help but think that if Chapman gets selected instead of UM-Morris that either GAC or St. Ben's gets in.

Not really. They had to fly Louisiana College wherever they were going to play. I had Chapman playing George Fox; they had Louisiana College. LC could have flown anywhere in the country.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on March 04, 2010, 05:14:21 PM
Congrats to Bri Radtke for getting Player of the Year and to Durbin for getting Coach of the Year. Both well deserved!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on March 04, 2010, 07:15:06 PM
This doesn't erase the disappointment of missing the NCAA's, but it helps!! ;D

2009-10 MIAC Women's Basketball Awards

Player of the Year - Bri Radtke, Gustavus (Sr., Winsted, Minn./Lester Prairie)

Sixth Player of the Year - Tromesa May, Hamline (Fy., St. Louis Park, Minn.)

Coach of the Year - Mike Durbin (24th season)

All-Conference


Name Team Year Position Hometown/High School
Ann Baltzer Macalester Sr. Center Bismarck, N.D.
Maggie Bauernfeind Concordia Jr.  Guard  Rosemount, Minn.
Rachel Booth St. Thomas Jr. Center Minneapolis, Minn./DeLaSalle
Molly Geske Gustavus So.  Guard Mendota Hts, Minn./Cretin-Derham Hall
Heather Gillund Saint Benedict Jr.  Forward  Ham Lake, Minn./Blaine
Ali Johnson St. Thomas So. Forward  St. Louis Park, Minn.
Laura Kalbfell St. Catherine Jr. Forward Lakeville, Minn.
Molly Mathiowetz Gustavus Jr. Forward Sleepy Eye, Minn./St. Mary's
Jess Miller Saint Mary's Jr. Forward Carver, Minn./Chaska
Eric Nord Concordia Jr. Guard Wolverton, Minn./Barnesville
Trina PaStarr Macalester Sr. Forward Minneapolis, Minn./Southwest
Bri Radtke Gustavus Sr. Guard Winsted, Minn./Lester Prairie
Taylor Sheley Bethel So. Guard Backus, Minn./Pine River-Backus
Amy Stifter Saint Benedict Jr. Guard Watertown, Minn./Watertown-Mayer
Ally Weaver Carleton Jr. Guard Iowa City, Iowa/West
Mary Wilkowski Hamline Jr. Forward Savannah, Ga./St. Andrews

All-Defensive Team
Name Team Year Position Hometown/High School
Eartha Bell Macalester Sr. Guard Minneapolis, Minn./Breck
Rachel Booth St. Thomas Jr.  Center Minneapolis, Minn./DeLaSalle
Heather Gillund  Saint Benedict Jr. Forward Ham Lake, Minn./Blaine
Shana Grejtak Bethel Jr. Forward Franklin, Minn./Cedar Mt.-Comfrey
Molly Mathiowetz Gustavus Jr.  Forward Sleepy Eye, Minn./St. Mary's  
Eric Nord Concordia Jr. Guard Wolverton, Minn./Barnesville

All-First Year Team
Name Team Year Position Hometown/High School
Akemi Arzouman Carleton Fy. Guard  Irvine, Calif./University
Brittany Dyshaw Augsburg Fy. Forward Eagan, Minn.  
Katie Lauer St. Olaf Fy.  Forward  Mankato, Minn./West
Scotti Moats Bethel Fy. Center  Waconia, Minn.
Kara Poirier Hamline Fy. Guard Eau Claire, Wis./Regis
Abby Rothenbuehler Gustavus Fy. Forward North Mankato, Minn./West
Jess Thone Saint Mary's Fy. Guard Woodbury, Minn.

Honorable Mention All-Conference
Name Team Year Position Hometown/High School
Laura Canton Saint Benedict Jr.  Forward Pine Island, Minn.
Danielle Johnson Macalester Sr. Guard DeForest, Wis./Madison Edgewood
Jackie Kelly Hamline Jr. Guard  Blaine, Minn.  
Nikki Klink Hamline Jr. Guard  Hibbing, Minn.  
Molly Peterson St. Catherine Sr.  Forward  Valley City, N.D.
Shannon Renne Augsburg Jr. Guard Nicollet, Minn.
Lindsey Schultz Concordia Jr. Guard  Hitterdal, Minn./Ulen-Hitterdal  
Jordyn Sears St. Thomas So. Guard St. Cloud, Minn./Tech
Sara Sorbo Concordia Sr. Guard Adams, N.D./Adams-Edmore

2009-10 All-MIAC Sportsmanship Team
Augsburg - Tracee Schrank (Fy., Reedsburg, Wis.)
Bethel - Danielle Ruberg (Jr. Rushford, Minn./Rushford-Peterson)
Carleton - Megan Bakken (Fy., Waterville, Minn./Waterville-Elysian-Morristown)
Concordia - Anna Matetich (Sr., Hibbing, Minn.)
Gustavus - Julia Schultz (Sr., Marshall, Minn.)
Hamline - Rochelle Sather (Sr., Andover, Minn.)
Macalester - Eartha Bell (Sr., Minneapolis, Minn./Breck)
Saint Benedict - Mindy Schmidt (Sr., Brooklyn Park, Minn./Champlin Park)
Saint Mary's - Sarah Adie (So., Chanhassen, Minn./Holy Family Catholic)
St. Olaf - Terin Euerle (Jr., St. Cloud, Minn./Tech)
St. Thomas - Andi Olson (Sr., Jordan, Minn.)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: AO on March 04, 2010, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 01, 2010, 09:49:30 PM
OK, so EXACTLY how does this work anyway?  HOW DOES the NCAA Tournament Committee justify taking BOTH UM-Morris AND Northland over teams such as GAC, CSB, and Coe anyway?  I mean, if the need to select a team from the UMAC (or two for that matter) is so acute, why not take Northwestern??  THEY WON THE FREAKING UMAC TOURNAMENT!!!!  I mean, what?  That isn't enough anymore?  Geez.  I hope they AT LEAST got to go to the local DQ for ice cream sundaes afterward.  I think they deserve at least that.  Meanwhile, BOTH UM-M and Northland lost on their home floors by DOUBLE DIGITS in the UMAC tourney semifinals.  Okay, okay...To be fair here, both PROBABLY got their Dance tickets punched earlier in the year by beating perennial powererhouses Crown, North Central, and Trinity Bible College; names that, without a doubt, put the fear of God in the world of womens college basketball.  Good enough for me.  Put 'em in.

Honestly, this is the most (expletive deleted) up piece of (expletive deleted) I've ever encountered in sports; as a fan or participant.  

(Message edited by Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez)  
This has been mentioned earlier by Buf, but the UMAC doesn't get an AQ until next year.  This year they were in pool b, with 2 bids split among the 25 schools not yet in a conference with an AQ.  Northland and Morris won the bid over  a bunch of teams I've never heard of.  They did not beat out coe, gustavus or the bennies.

You don't have to feel too bad for the Northwestern women, they were swept by Morris and Northland in the regular season, and their season isn't over.  They play at Bethel (indiana) saturday night for the nccaa regional championship and a trip to nationals.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on March 05, 2010, 10:43:30 PM
Whitewater defeats St. Thomas, 91-73
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Willy Wonka on March 13, 2010, 01:57:17 AM
Just confirmed yesterday that New Prague's Maggie Weiers is headed to UST. She was getting some decent D1 interest last year, but her play leveled off, some schools backed away and she wanted to stay close to home.

Still, hard to complain about a D3 program getting athletic 6-2 girl with a history of success. The Trojans will be back at state for those interested in getting a sneak peak.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on April 09, 2010, 07:26:20 AM
Just saw on the front page that Melissa Young-Kruse has resigned at Hamline.  Not sure what prompted this but comes as a complete shock and surprise to me.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on April 29, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
Looks like Carleton has named a new head coach to succeed TM-F; '03 grad Cassie (Glasrud) Kosiba.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on May 06, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
I don't know if anyone else has noticed or not, but St. Thomas' recruiting class for next year might be one of the best ever in the history of D3. Weiers from New Prague, Taylor Young from Edina and I've heard some other names too of some really solid kids. There was one more kid who was of scholarship potential and her name escapes me but to get 3 kids whose upside may have been at the division 1 level is unheard of. I heard of some major d1's that were seriously looking at Weiers at one time, those are tremendous recruits for a d3 school, I'm definitely impressed. And they got 6'1 Courtney Falk from Wausau West (WI) whose team went to state and she's no slouch either.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIAC ball on October 14, 2010, 03:46:22 PM
Any early guesses on pre-season rankings?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on October 26, 2010, 12:42:26 PM
My Pre-Season Rankings:

1. St. Benedict
2. St. Thomas
3. Gustavus
4. Concordia
5. Hamline
6. Bethel
7. Macalester
8. St. Kate's
9. St. Mary's
10. Carleton
11. St. Olaf
12. Augsburg
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on October 30, 2010, 12:04:20 AM
Well, at least I'm not the first one to dust off this board after a few months of slumber.  With that, here's my preseason picks as I gaze into my crystal ball:

Title Contenders:

UST & CSB

Seems like old times as these two teams will be by far and away the class of the conference this year.  I give an edge to UST here as they just have so much talent coming back; including Rachel Booth, Jordyn Sears, and Becky Theisen.  Obviously it will be interesting to see if UST can avoid the slow start that's plagued them the last two seasons.  CSB also has a bevy of talent returning as well with Heather Gillund, Devin Bowlin, Laura Canton, Amy Stifter, and Joelle Waytashek.  Expect this senior-laden squad to be around at the end.


Playoff Qualifiers:

Concordia, GAC, & Bethel

Concordia may be the toughest team to figure out here as I have no idea who they picked up on the recruiting trail during the off-season.  They lose Anna Matetich's senior leadership but they've got enough and always seem to be in the mix so you have to figure Jessica Rahman's squad will be there come playoff time.  One area that needs to be addressed is the post position as that was the downfall of this team last year.  GAC has a TON of talent but a lot of it is very young, very inexperienced, and very green around the gills.  Undoubtedly Molly Geske will be a candidate for MVP in her junior season but if the Gusties are EVER going to take the next step in this millenium they've GOT to find a way to win the Big One.  So far, they haven't been able to do so.    I have to include Bethel in this group as well with players like Shana Grejtak, Kelly Swenson, and Taylor Sheeley all back.


??? Teams

St. Kate's, Hamline, & Macalester

Someone in this group has to step up and steal that sixth spot this season, right?  The 'Cats have Laura Kalbfell, Sonja Ellingson, Megan Zillmer, and Quin Halverson back but not Cassie Hubler.  That, coupled with a bench that has question marks all over the place makes St. Kate's margin for error very small.  Hamline experienced an exodus of players after MY-K's sudden resignation.  They still have Nikki Klinck, Mary Wilkowski, and sharp-shooting Jackie Kelly but this could be a tough year for first-year coach Kerri Stockwell.  Mac lost the nucleus of players that helped earn the program's first-ever MIAC playoff appearance this last season; Baltzer, PaStarr, Johnson.  They still have the Reene sisters but beyond that this could be a rebuilding year for the Scots.


Bottom Feeders

St. Olaf, SMU, Augsburg, & Carleton

Of this group, I would have to give the nod to SMU as the team that has the best shot of getting out of the basement and into the playoff mix.  I like the two seniors they have coming back; Jess Miller and perhaps the MIAC's most underrated guard in Cherie Kulig.  The big question for the Cardinals is if they can find someone to make an impact at the post position.  They may finally have that in freshman Courtney Euerle.  St. Olaf has an impressive crop of newcomers coming in to the program but it'll likely take time for that talent to develop.  Augsburg has been able to take baby steps but not much more than that.  First-year coach Cassie Kosiba faces a huge rebuilding task of the once-proud Carleton program.               
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 10, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
Anybody happen to catch the UST-River Falls scrimmage last night? I would have liked to go, but couldnt make it.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on November 22, 2010, 02:47:21 PM
What happened to the MIAC chatter on D3 Hoops?   This used to be one of the hottest message boards. 

There were some very interesting outcomes during the pre-MIAC schedule. 

What was more surprising; Concordia beating Cal Lutheran and clobbering Occidental or UST barely beating Occidental and getting clobbered by Cal Lutheran? 

St. Mary's looks to be much improved.

My Blazers are off to a nice start at 3-0.

Anyone else see some promise for their teams after a few games? 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 22, 2010, 07:19:03 PM
I guess everyone is conceding the Blazers as #1. 4 returning starters and all 5 starters as seniors is a good sign. Top first off the bench are underclass, also good. I also really think 2 of the 2nd team are better than the first five. Good signs for a great year. Stifter and Gillund have been as expected, excellent! Young Canton at point is only going to get better and better, and a great athelete. Wilcox at 2nd center is looking great and playing solid minutes along with Sam Larson. Sam is sooo quick, she is surprising alot under the basket, and morgan dale might be the best athelete on the floor even with Canton and Larson. Looks like a very interesting year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 02, 2010, 07:37:24 AM
Was at the CSB - St. Kate's game last night which CSB came from 10 points down around the 6:00 minute mark to claim the victory.  Arguably, they didn't bring their "A" game with them last night; and, they looked a little ragged at times but they did what they had to do when it counted.  Still, I thought this was a game that St. Kate's should have and could have won had they been able to take advantage of all the opportunities they had.

GAC gets started off on a good note; holding serve at home to beat Bethel. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: scorekeeper on December 02, 2010, 12:05:53 PM
For 34 minutes last night the Blazers and Wildcats hurt my eyes with some pretty ugly basketball.  I don't know if you want to chalk it up to tough D on each side or just poor play, but I think it was more of the latter as LA Rams eluded to.  However, the final 6 minutes made up the first 34, mainly because my Blazers pulled victory from the jaws of defeat.  I truly thought the game was over when they went down 10 as St. Kate's started getting contributions from their guards.  However, big 3 pointers by Waytashek and Dale along with driving shots by Stifter and clutch free throws by Whitney Canton put a nice bow on the win.  It would have been very difficult to swallow a loss last night to start the 5-time defense of the MIAC title.  It seemed apparent that the veteran play of St. Ben's was too much for a more inexperienced team in St. Kate's.  Also, CSB had huge defensive plays by Whitney, Dale and Gillund (a huge block by Gillund at the end).

It appears St. Olaf is much improved and will be a big test for the Blazers in their first home game Saturday.  By looks of the box score from Tuesday, had the Oles made their free throws they could have knocked off Concordia. 

LA Rams - was that you chatting with Durbin after the game?  If not, someone else is both a big Rams and D3 basketball fan. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 02, 2010, 02:09:35 PM
Scorekeeper - Yep, that was me.

BTW, one thing that I wasn't able to get clarification on last night was the somewhat controversial call with around :19.7 seconds left when it appeared that one of the CSB players was being whistled for an offensive foul.  That call was inexplicably changed and subsequently charged to a St. Kate's player instead.  Can you or anyone explain what happened on that?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 03, 2010, 11:55:39 PM
The idiot stripe made the right call but signaled the wrong way. He corrected it at the scoretable but never made any motion showing the correction. It was the same blind ref that didn't see Gillund take the elbow to the nose causing her to be removed from the game because of blood. A blow to the head is supposed to be a technical foul, intentional or unintentional, last I checked the nose was on the head.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 04, 2010, 12:20:31 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on December 03, 2010, 11:55:39 PM
A blow to the head is supposed to be a technical foul, intentional or unintentional, last I checked the nose was on the head.

No, not quite...

2010-11 NCAA WOMEN’S BASKETBALL ELBOW RULE  (http://ncaawbb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104884/Library/files/Elbowruleeducation9-12-10(3).pdf)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 04, 2010, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 04, 2010, 12:20:31 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on December 03, 2010, 11:55:39 PM
A blow to the head is supposed to be a technical foul, intentional or unintentional, last I checked the nose was on the head.

No, not quite...

2010-11 NCAA WOMEN'S BASKETBALL ELBOW RULE  (http://ncaawbb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104884/Library/files/Elbowruleeducation9-12-10(3).pdf)
Thanks for the information. It is sure confusing but if you wade through all the old rule, new rule, intent , not intent etc... etc..., you will find I am right. See copy of section that explains it best.
Changes for the 2010-2011 season.
• A foul that involves contact ABOVE  the shoulders with a moving elbow during live ball (not being swung excessively as defined in 4-36.7) MUST be a minimum of an intentional personal foul. This same foul could have been a personal foul, common or team control, before the 2010-2011 season. These fouls are no longer options for this type of contact.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 05, 2010, 11:39:17 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on December 04, 2010, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 04, 2010, 12:20:31 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on December 03, 2010, 11:55:39 PM
A blow to the head is supposed to be a technical foul, intentional or unintentional, last I checked the nose was on the head.

No, not quite...

2010-11 NCAA WOMEN’S BASKETBALL ELBOW RULE  (http://ncaawbb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104884/Library/files/Elbowruleeducation9-12-10(3).pdf)
Thanks for the information. It is sure confusing but if you wade through all the old rule, new rule, intent , not intent etc... etc..., you will find I am right. See copy of section that explains it best.
Changes for the 2010-2011 season.
• A foul that involves contact ABOVE  the shoulders with a moving elbow during live ball (not being swung excessively as defined in 4-36.7) MUST be a minimum of an intentional personal foul. This same foul could have been a personal foul, common or team control, before the 2010-2011 season. These fouls are no longer options for this type of contact.


No, you were not quite right (for the purposes of this explanation of rules, Im assuming the girl who swung the elbows has the ball, otherwise there are different sets of rules for the elbows of offensive players who do not have the ball)...

1. first, a blow to the head is not necessarily a foul

New Rule Myths: The new rule change requires that a foul be called when an elbow makes contact above the shoulders. FALSE

2. whether or not the contact was illegal contact (therefore a foul) falls under Rule 9, and its at the discretion of the official if the elbow action resulted from total body movement.

Rule 9
Section 13. Elbow(s)
Art. 1. A player shall not excessively swing his or her arm(s) or elbow(s),
even without contacting an opponent.
Art. 2. A player may extend arm(s) or elbow(s) to hold the ball under the
chin or against the body.
Art. 3. Action of arm(s) and elbow(s) resulting from total body movement
as in pivoting or movement of the ball incidental to feinting with it,
releasing it, or moving it to prevent a held ball or loss of control shall not
be considered excessive


3. if that contact was deemed illegal and less than the contact for a flagrant foul (see rule 4-36-7 below), then the mandatory punishment is at least an intentional foul

Part 7. The following shall be considered excessive swinging:
a. When arm(s) and elbow(s) are swung about while using the shoulders
as pivots, and the speed of the extended arm(s) and elbow(s) exceeds
that of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot
foot; or
b. When the speed and vigor with which the arm(s) and elbow(s)
are swung is such that injury could result if another player were
contacted


4. A blow to a head does not have to be a foul at all. And it certainly does not have to be a technical foul which is what your first/original post said
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 05, 2010, 02:21:07 PM
Olaf beats St. Ben's? I guess there's a first time for everything. Seriously though, how long had it been?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 05, 2010, 09:45:26 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 05, 2010, 11:39:17 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on December 04, 2010, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 04, 2010, 12:20:31 AM
Quote from: blazerguy on December 03, 2010, 11:55:39 PM
A blow to the head is supposed to be a technical foul, intentional or unintentional, last I checked the nose was on the head.

No, not quite...

2010-11 NCAA WOMEN'S BASKETBALL ELBOW RULE  (http://ncaawbb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104884/Library/files/Elbowruleeducation9-12-10(3).pdf)
Thanks for the information. It is sure confusing but if you wade through all the old rule, new rule, intent , not intent etc... etc..., you will find I am right. See copy of section that explains it best.
Changes for the 2010-2011 season.
• A foul that involves contact ABOVE  the shoulders with a moving elbow during live ball (not being swung excessively as defined in 4-36.7) MUST be a minimum of an intentional personal foul. This same foul could have been a personal foul, common or team control, before the 2010-2011 season. These fouls are no longer options for this type of contact.


No, you were not quite right (for the purposes of this explanation of rules, Im assuming the girl who swung the elbows has the ball, otherwise there are different sets of rules for the elbows of offensive players who do not have the ball)...

1. first, a blow to the head is not necessarily a foul

New Rule Myths: The new rule change requires that a foul be called when an elbow makes contact above the shoulders. FALSE

2. whether or not the contact was illegal contact (therefore a foul) falls under Rule 9, and its at the discretion of the official if the elbow action resulted from total body movement.

Rule 9
Section 13. Elbow(s)
Art. 1. A player shall not excessively swing his or her arm(s) or elbow(s),
even without contacting an opponent.
Art. 2. A player may extend arm(s) or elbow(s) to hold the ball under the
chin or against the body.
Art. 3. Action of arm(s) and elbow(s) resulting from total body movement
as in pivoting or movement of the ball incidental to feinting with it,
releasing it, or moving it to prevent a held ball or loss of control shall not
be considered excessive


3. if that contact was deemed illegal and less than the contact for a flagrant foul (see rule 4-36-7 below), then the mandatory punishment is at least an intentional foul

Part 7. The following shall be considered excessive swinging:
a. When arm(s) and elbow(s) are swung about while using the shoulders
as pivots, and the speed of the extended arm(s) and elbow(s) exceeds
that of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot
foot; or
b. When the speed and vigor with which the arm(s) and elbow(s)
are swung is such that injury could result if another player were
contacted


4. A blow to a head does not have to be a foul at all. And it certainly does not have to be a technical foul which is what your first/original post said
OK Mr. Technicality, a light "blow" to the head that is not deemed a foul to begin with by the blind referee does not have to be ruled flagrant. However a "blow" to the head in what is considered by normal humans, "blow meaning a harder hit than a mosquito bite", is to be considered flagrant if in the opinion of the idiot referee it was truely a "blow" by human standards. I guess I am a little miffed by the officials that in the last two times Guilland was hit in the nose resulted first a concussion, secondly a bloodied nose, yet the offending players received NO foul even. What are you a bean counter? :-\
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 05, 2010, 11:23:44 PM
It's Ms. Technical and no... legal profession, not a bean counter, but close enough ;)

And, as someone who has dished out enough elbows that I would be pretty pissed if I got a technical or flagrant because of a misreading of the rules. Thats the only reason I hopped in, to make sure the rule change was interpreted correctly. I wasn't at the game, but an automatic assessment based on the results (concussion/bloody nose) within the context of a standard basketball move also seems a little harsh.

Sorry if you felt like I called you out, blazerguy. I really enjoy your postings on the MIAC. Im a UAA diehard and SLIAC fan so I try to stay somewhat knowledgeable of all the leagues and regions.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 06, 2010, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 05, 2010, 11:23:44 PM
It's Ms. Technical and no... legal profession, not a bean counter, but close enough ;)

And, as someone who has dished out enough elbows that I would be pretty pissed if I got a technical or flagrant because of a misreading of the rules. Thats the only reason I hopped in, to make sure the rule change was interpreted correctly. I wasn't at the game, but an automatic assessment based on the results (concussion/bloody nose) within the context of a standard basketball move also seems a little harsh.

Sorry if you felt like I called you out, blazerguy. I really enjoy your postings on the MIAC. Im a UAA diehard and SLIAC fan so I try to stay somewhat knowledgeable of all the leagues and regions.
No problem, I had a bad weekend and may be a bit ornery. Not only did my Blazers get beat by St. Olaf but my Hockey Huskies lost 2 at UND. And badly, at that. I get confused between my two passions, Blazer Basketball and Husky Hockey, when I go from one board to another and sometimes its hard to take my hockey cap off.  :D
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 07, 2010, 07:41:57 AM
Quote from: gacbacker on December 05, 2010, 02:21:07 PM
Olaf beats St. Ben's? I guess there's a first time for everything. Seriously though, how long had it been?

That would have been during the Bush administration (the first one, that is); 1992 to be exact. 

Wow, Gusties need 2 OTs to hold off a resurgent St. Olaf team last night.  Was not at that game but would like to hear from anyone who was there.  Meanwhile, CSB likewise holding off Hamline???  Not sure what's going on here.  Gusties will have Macalester at home tomorrow night (which knocked off St. Kate's last night) and then go up to St. Joe on Saturday for the first clash with CSB.  Gusties need to come out focused and prepared each time; especially against CSB as they've arguably been CSB's little you know what the last few years.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on December 08, 2010, 03:30:07 PM
L.A. be glad you were not present for the GAC/St. Olaf women's game. Watched most of it online and it was ugly. Gusties made three, count 'em, three field goals in the second half. The only reason the Gusties didn't lose is because St. Olaf had their standard 33 turnovers and showed their typical poor shot selection by going 4-26 from the three point line.

I expect the Gusties to bounce back tonight at home against Macalester, but the chances they will beat St. Ben's up at St. Ben's is slim. And really, when you look at the teams on paper that's the way it should be. The only reason I would give the Gusties a chance is because Durbin's squad has looked disinterested early this season with three lackluster performances against teams they should be beating by double digits.

Gusties are definitely a playoff team, but they have a long ways to go if they are going to be a factor in those playoffs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 09, 2010, 07:41:30 AM
Gacbacker - Was at St. Olaf - UST game last night (UST won 61-52 but it wasn't anywhere near as close as score would indicate).  I like this St. Olaf team.  They're very young obviously but they've got a lot of promise and I would have to think that when this team gets a little more experience under their collective belts they'll be very, very good.  But they're experiencing some growing pains right now which probably best explains the roller coaster ride they're going through right now. 

Good win for the Gusties at home last night vs Macalester.  Hopefully it'll give them a shot of confidence going up to St. Joe on Saturday....
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on December 12, 2010, 12:47:25 AM
Stifter played a fantastic game today in beating GAC by 3. She scored like a hundred points, ok it was actually 24 or 25, but took over the game when Blazers needed. GAC has a nice team, but without a dominent player, geise or something like that is a very good player but they could use someone down low to score when needed. Maybe the player of the game although she only scored 5 is Devin Bowlen, when down by 5 she scored all her points late in the game to tie the game. Also played better at the point after losing her starting position to young Canton a couple of games ago. I think she plays better coming off the bench. Nice win today in cold windy St. Joe, oh and gotta comment on another great game of coaching by the GAC coach, next to Durbin I think she is the best in the MIAC.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 04, 2011, 07:44:56 AM
Utterly embarrassing performance last night by GAC as they get dough-popped on the road against Hamline 83-76 last night.  Gusties looked lost, confused and completely clueless at times during the second half.  As I look at it now, GAC is NOT a playoff contender and this could be a LONG, long season for them.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 10, 2011, 11:39:34 AM
L.A. Rams,

When you say you believe that Gustavus is not a playoff contender, do you mean they are not a contender to finish in the top 6 and make the playoffs, or they are not a contender to win the MIAC Playoffs?

I'd agree with you that right now they are not a contender to win the MIAC playoffs and get the automatic berth to the NCAA Tournament, but I'm still pretty confident they are going to finish in the top 6 and make the playoffs.

I mean they just had St. Thomas, who is the only undefeated team in conference play, on the ropes on the road without their second best player in the lineup.

The Gusties could make an immediate improvement if they would make a conscious choice to defend the three point line better. They are giving up way too many wide open looks from the perimeter due to their defensive philosophy which relies so heavily on help side defense. Allowing Ali Johnson open look after open look on Saturday was ridiculous and the fact that no adjustment was made throughout the game was embarressing.

But look at the stats, they have given up 71 made three pointers in 11 games which is by far the most. The average among the 12 teams is 50 and Bethel and St. Mary's haven't even given up 40 yet. The Gusties are also the worst in the league in 3-point FG percentage defense.

The three pointer is such a difference maker in the college game, the Gusties have to take note of this and make a change instead of just hoping that opposing teams are going to start missing more frequently.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 10, 2011, 01:48:09 PM
Gacbacker - I'm talking about just making the playoffs.  True, there was much better effort and execution on Saturday against UST than during the debacle over at Hutton Arena.  I hope somehow I'm wrong and I'll gladly eat crow if they finish in the top six but this team's pysche is very frail right now and with league co-leader CSB coming into Lund Arena on Wednesday night the Gusties will likely find themselves under the gun very quickly.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 11, 2011, 07:57:01 AM
OK.  Time for my first power rankings of this season:

1.  UST
2.  (tie) Concordia & CSB
3.  St. Olaf
4.  Bethel
5.  SMU
6.  Hamline
7.  (tie) GAC & Carleton
8.  St. Kate's
9.  Macalester
10.  Augsburg

I have to have the Tommies at the top right now because, well, because they're finding ways to win games.  And they'll have a huge test tomorrow night when they're up in Moorhead to take on the Corn.  Despite the road loss at CSB on Saturday, I still feel that Concordia is the best team in the conference.  I know I've said this before but this team is different.  They've got an experienced, senior-laden line-up with a huge presence down low in Alexandra Lippert; something they simply haven't had before.  While it's a little weird to see SMU as high as they are right now (and I have serious doubts that they can maintain their position), I'm not at all surprised that St. Olaf has made huge strides this season.  This is a young team but they are going to be very, very good in the next year or two.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 17, 2011, 07:44:31 AM
A damn shame this board is so bloody quiet; especially after the wild Saturday we just had.  Nonetheless, here are my latest power rankings:

1.  CSB
2.  UST
3.  (tie) Concordia & Bethel
4.  SMU
5.  (tie) GAC, St. Olaf, & Hamline
6.  (tie) St. Kate's & Macalester
7.  Carleton
8.  Augsburg

It's hard to deviate too much from the actual standings at the moment as far as the top tier of teams are concerned.  CSB took full advantage of the slip-ups by both UST and Concordia on Saturday to move into sole possession of first place in the conference - and my power rankings as well.  UST simply did not show a sense of urgency in the second half against a scrappy St. Kate's squad.  Concordia, I suppose, can make a case that it got hosed towards the end against Bethel but that might detract against a determined effort by this rising Bethel team that is not only in the midst of a 7-game winning streak but also making a strong case for itself that it belongs in the upper echelon of teams.  SMU had a chance to do the same but got knocked off by a Hamline team that is showing it can be very, very dangerous at times.  St. Olaf has suddenly hit the skids and it'll be interesting to see if it can somehow regain its mojo it had going earlier.  GAC is hanging on by a thread and its unimpressive win at home against a downtrodden Carleton team is not going to do much as far as moving up in the rankings is concerned.  They've got to take care of business tonight at Augsburg and then roll the dice on Wednesday night at Bethel. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 17, 2011, 07:19:38 PM
Why does Olaf get to be tied with the Gusties in your power poll, when they are a game back in the standings AND the Gusties beat them head to head? Seems silly. Ties are for soccer...stick your neck out a little :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 23, 2011, 01:32:05 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 17, 2011, 07:44:31 AM
A damn shame this board is so bloody quiet; especially after the wild Saturday we just had.  Nonetheless, here are my latest power rankings:

1.  CSB
2.  UST
3.  (tie) Concordia & Bethel
4.  SMU
5.  (tie) GAC, St. Olaf, & Hamline
6.  (tie) St. Kate's & Macalester
7.  Carleton
8.  Augsburg

It's hard to deviate too much from the actual standings at the moment as far as the top tier of teams are concerned.  CSB took full advantage of the slip-ups by both UST and Concordia on Saturday to move into sole possession of first place in the conference - and my power rankings as well.  UST simply did not show a sense of urgency in the second half against a scrappy St. Kate's squad.  Concordia, I suppose, can make a case that it got hosed towards the end against Bethel but that might detract against a determined effort by this rising Bethel team that is not only in the midst of a 7-game winning streak but also making a strong case for itself that it belongs in the upper echelon of teams.  SMU had a chance to do the same but got knocked off by a Hamline team that is showing it can be very, very dangerous at times.  St. Olaf has suddenly hit the skids and it'll be interesting to see if it can somehow regain its mojo it had going earlier.  GAC is hanging on by a thread and its unimpressive win at home against a downtrodden Carleton team is not going to do much as far as moving up in the rankings is concerned.  They've got to take care of business tonight at Augsburg and then roll the dice on Wednesday night at Bethel.  
I agree, unfortunate this board is so slow. I think part of it is because it is very hard to find. Not sure the answer but I had to switch computers, lost my favorites and had to reconnect. Couldn't find the board until searching throughout the site, and found it under D3boards, kinda hidden. Maybe i'm just challenged but i think it might be part of the answer. What do you think Pat?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 23, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
Half way through the MIAC season so a few comments, mostly to myself but maybe to a few others. I haven't seen all the teams but have most. My blazers, we struggled early with a few too tight games, Durbin made a couple mid season changes that have helped. Starting W. Canton and M. Dale gave the team a boost and I think Devin and L. Canton are better off the bench. the team is finding its stride now and i look for us to only improve the rest of the way.
The Cobbers have surprised me. They have so much talent and but are struggling to win games. I think they are the scariest team along with UST to challenge the Blazers. I thought going into the season that UST was the team to beat and frankly thought they might run away with it, not sure what the problem is but they have had a ton on turnover of players and may have chemistry issues. Bethel looked good early but have now gone back to the coaches normal 2nd half doldrums. My opinion is he is most of their problem. St. Kates is an impressive scrappy team, I don't see any superstars but sometimes that is good for all around play. St. Olaf could surprise teams in the second half and make a run and GAC will get straightened out and be a force. I've said it before, they also have the 2nd best coach in the MIAC. Maybe that will get a little board interaction. Controversy usually gets fans going. How about somebody starting by doing a ranking of MIAC coaches. I will contribute if anybody cares enough to post!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2011, 03:43:08 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on January 23, 2011, 01:32:05 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 17, 2011, 07:44:31 AM
A damn shame this board is so bloody quiet; especially after the wild Saturday we just had.  Nonetheless, here are my latest power rankings:

1.  CSB
2.  UST
3.  (tie) Concordia & Bethel
4.  SMU
5.  (tie) GAC, St. Olaf, & Hamline
6.  (tie) St. Kate's & Macalester
7.  Carleton
8.  Augsburg

It's hard to deviate too much from the actual standings at the moment as far as the top tier of teams are concerned.  CSB took full advantage of the slip-ups by both UST and Concordia on Saturday to move into sole possession of first place in the conference - and my power rankings as well.  UST simply did not show a sense of urgency in the second half against a scrappy St. Kate's squad.  Concordia, I suppose, can make a case that it got hosed towards the end against Bethel but that might detract against a determined effort by this rising Bethel team that is not only in the midst of a 7-game winning streak but also making a strong case for itself that it belongs in the upper echelon of teams.  SMU had a chance to do the same but got knocked off by a Hamline team that is showing it can be very, very dangerous at times.  St. Olaf has suddenly hit the skids and it'll be interesting to see if it can somehow regain its mojo it had going earlier.  GAC is hanging on by a thread and its unimpressive win at home against a downtrodden Carleton team is not going to do much as far as moving up in the rankings is concerned.  They've got to take care of business tonight at Augsburg and then roll the dice on Wednesday night at Bethel.  
I agree, unfortunate this board is so slow. I think part of it is because it is very hard to find. Not sure the answer but I had to switch computers, lost my favorites and had to reconnect. Couldn't find the board until searching throughout the site, and found it under D3boards, kinda hidden. Maybe i'm just challenged but i think it might be part of the answer. What do you think Pat?

There's two links on the front page -- one is the D3boards you saw and another is this fancy little button we have right below the rotating lead stories, labeled Message Boards. I agree people don't necessarily deal with change well but we simply can't put everything in every dropdown menu -- that's just messy. It doesn't belong under News.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on January 23, 2011, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2011, 03:43:08 PM
Quote from: blazerguy on January 23, 2011, 01:32:05 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on January 17, 2011, 07:44:31 AM
A damn shame this board is so bloody quiet; especially after the wild Saturday we just had.  Nonetheless, here are my latest power rankings:

1.  CSB
2.  UST
3.  (tie) Concordia & Bethel
4.  SMU
5.  (tie) GAC, St. Olaf, & Hamline
6.  (tie) St. Kate's & Macalester
7.  Carleton
8.  Augsburg

It's hard to deviate too much from the actual standings at the moment as far as the top tier of teams are concerned.  CSB took full advantage of the slip-ups by both UST and Concordia on Saturday to move into sole possession of first place in the conference - and my power rankings as well.  UST simply did not show a sense of urgency in the second half against a scrappy St. Kate's squad.  Concordia, I suppose, can make a case that it got hosed towards the end against Bethel but that might detract against a determined effort by this rising Bethel team that is not only in the midst of a 7-game winning streak but also making a strong case for itself that it belongs in the upper echelon of teams.  SMU had a chance to do the same but got knocked off by a Hamline team that is showing it can be very, very dangerous at times.  St. Olaf has suddenly hit the skids and it'll be interesting to see if it can somehow regain its mojo it had going earlier.  GAC is hanging on by a thread and its unimpressive win at home against a downtrodden Carleton team is not going to do much as far as moving up in the rankings is concerned.  They've got to take care of business tonight at Augsburg and then roll the dice on Wednesday night at Bethel.  
I agree, unfortunate this board is so slow. I think part of it is because it is very hard to find. Not sure the answer but I had to switch computers, lost my favorites and had to reconnect. Couldn't find the board until searching throughout the site, and found it under D3boards, kinda hidden. Maybe i'm just challenged but i think it might be part of the answer. What do you think Pat?

There's two links on the front page -- one is the D3boards you saw and another is this fancy little button we have right below the rotating lead stories, labeled Message Boards. I agree people don't necessarily deal with change well but we simply can't put everything in every dropdown menu -- that's just messy. It doesn't belong under News.
Pat, you are right, and I am technology challenged. Thanks for responding!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 24, 2011, 07:48:27 AM
Well, here we go again with my latest power rankings.  What a difference a single week can make:

1.  CSB
2.  UST
3.  Concordia
4.  GAC
5.  (tie) Bethel & SMU
6.  (tie) St. Olaf & Macalester
7.  Hamline
8.  (tie) St. Kate's, Carleton & Augsburg

Shock of all shocks, the top four teams have seemingly shook themselves apart from everyone else and have firmly cemented their respective spots in the standings (and my power rankings as well) - for now.  GAC, I think, has finally got it going again.  Beyond the top four, it gets very tricky.  Bethel, which was riding high a mere week ago has suddenly gone into an inexplicable funk and they've got to do some serious soul-searching to avoid a further collapse.  Having players such as Swenson and Sheley healthy and 100% would help as well as Scottie Moats finding a way to stay out of foul trouble.  SMU's lack of experience and youth is catching up with them.  Don't look now but suddenly Macalester has inched it's way into the muddled middle and could surprise down the stretch.  Hamline is still alive but barely hanging on by a respirator.  Augsburg got a nice addition in Brittany Zins after the holiday break and should at least be a better team coming down the home stretch.  
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on January 28, 2011, 10:10:04 PM
Posters,

Is this going to be a three team race?  Does the number one seed have a clear advantage not playing the other two top teams? 

I might be underselling GAC here, but I think CSB, UST, and Concordia are a cut above.  These teams have done well in the past couple years and made the NCAAs. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 29, 2011, 05:09:45 PM
Nice and rare win for the Gusties in Moorhead today. The victory gives them a legit shot at the No. 3 seed and an outside chance at the No. 2 seed if the Tommies continue to slump. Remember, the Gusties have a fairly easy schedule remaining compared to the other top teams, since they have already played St. Ben's and Concordia twice now and they get St. Thomas at home in round 2.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 31, 2011, 07:46:56 AM
Yet another topsy-turvy weekend that has also reshuffled the deck somewhat in my latest power rankings:

1.  CSB
2.  UST
3.  GAC
4.  Concordia
5.  SMU
6.  (tie) Hamline & Macalester
7.  Bethel
8.  St. Olaf
9.  Augsburg
10.  Carleton
11.  St. Kate's

I have to tell you that the top two spots held right now by both CSB and UST are very tenuous at best.  CSB, after getting spanked at Hamline this last week coupled with UST's unimpressive win at Augsburg have not helped their cause although the Tommies did do a lot to make a statement Saturday night.  All of a sudden, GAC has become the hottest team in the conference and going up to Moorhead and knocking off a very good Concordia team was no small feat. 

It's hard for me to type this but I don't have much of a choice but to insert SMU at the #5 spot.  Yes, they did hold off a hard-charging Macalester team at home but they haven't shown they can win big games on the road yet.  Hamline has come off the respirator and is looking very scary all of a sudden; even without Jackie Kelly and Brianna Blackhawk who both quit on their team.  If you want to find out what the hell happened to both Bethel and St. Olaf, then just watch the last hour and a half of the movie "Titanic" and you'll pretty much get your answer.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on February 01, 2011, 07:53:35 PM
My Blazers have hit a speed bump, don't worry, Durbin will get it figured out, sleep is over rated anyhew.  ???
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 07, 2011, 07:39:36 AM
Here's my latest power rankings after yet another unpredictable week:

1.  CSB
2.  UST
3.  GAC
4.  (tie) Bethel & Concordia
5.  (tie) Macalester & Hamline
6.  SMU
7.  St. Olaf
8.  Carleton
9.  Augsburg
10.  St. Kate's

The way this thing is going, nothing can be etched in stone.  CSB and UST manage to hang on to the top two spots but they are doing just that - hanging on.  Likewise, GAC is managing to cling to the thrid spot in my poll by getting wins on both Wednesday night and Saturday after stumbling at Macalester a week ago.  I'm suddenly becoming worried about the pysche of the Concordia team after they managed to lose yet another game to Bethel in bizarre fashion - this time at home.  You have to wonder now how much they have left in the tank - and upstairs as well.  As for Bethel, well, I guess you have to give them a lot of credit as they're once again finding ways to win games when they have to and if they can keep their key players healthy they're looking very good.  Both Macalester and Hamline are managing to keep their playoff hopes alive by picking up big road victories on Saturday.  SMU is slowly slip-sliding away and St. Olaf has to think about next year now.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 10, 2011, 01:59:50 PM
A bloody shame this board is so quiet; particularly after any semblance of normalcy or order in the MIAC went kablooey last night when surging Macalester went up to St. Joe and punched CSB in the mouth in their own crib.   Not that the Scots didn't have the ability to win this one but rather, the WAY they won it.  They simply pounded the Blazers on the board and you've got to think that Macalester now has planted the seeds of doubt in all of the upper echelon teams.

Speaking of the upper echelon, this upcoming slate of Saturday games is simply HUGE.  You've got league-leading UST at GAC which is playing very well right now.  Simply stated, this is a giant opportunity for GAC to not only make a major move in the standings but also to make a statement to the rest of the conference that they are a bona fide title contender.  Also, CSB travels to M-head to take on Concordia in another titanic clash.  As I see it, this game could make or break CSB's season.  While they've already easily clinched a playoff berth, suffering yet another setback would really send them spiraling.  Then, you've got Hamline traveling down Snelling Avenue to take on their southern neighbor Macalester,  Whoever comes out on top in this one would have the inside track to that coveted sixth playoff spot.

Perhaps the best way to sum this all up would be to paraphrase that great philosopher Michael Corleone himself when he said in Godfather III, "Then no one is safe."  
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 14, 2011, 07:43:51 AM
Major shake-up in my power rankings after Armageddon Saturday in the MIAC:

1.  UST
2.  Concordia
3.  CSB
4.  Bethel
5.  GAC
6.  Macalester
7.  Hamline
8.  (tie) St. Olaf & SMU
9.  Carleton
10.  Augsburg
11.  St. Kate's

No doubt as to who's the top dog in the MIAC now as UST simply overpowered GAC in St. Peter.  Nipping at their heels though are those pesky Concordia Cobbers who scored a BIG win at home over CSB which is now in an alarming tailspin and had better find a way to turn it around - quickly.  It was hard for me to do this but I simply have to shove Bethel up to #4 in my rankings.  They took care of business easily against Augsburg on Saturday and have an excellent shot at solidifying their chances in this last week of the regular season.  GAC showed on Saturday how incredibly vulnerable they really are and, although, they may be pretty much locked in to that fourth playoff spot, I simply don't see this team being much of a factor at all in the MIAC playoffs.  One team that could be, though, is Macalester which scored a huge win at home against Snelling Avenue rival Hamline that gives the Scots the inside track to that sixth spot.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:38:35 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 17, 2011, 02:00:48 PM
Anarchy and chaos is now running rampant in the MIAC.  While both GAC and CSB enjoyed easy, comfortable wins at home over bottom-feeding teams, the standings and positions of certain teams were thrown totally into the air by events elsewhere.  First, Concordia had to hang on for dear life in the waning moments against a gamey and very scrappy St. Kate's team playing like it had nothing to lose.  The Corn staved off defeat when Megan Zillmer's last-second 3-point attempt JUST missed.   Bethel found itself in a dogfight with St. Olaf at home and was very fortunate to escape; Rachel Gilbert's 3-pointer from the left corner late in the game gave the Royals the separation they needed to get themselves into position to ice the game away at the charity stripe - and clinch a playoff berth as well.  Macalester, meanwhile, suffered a costly, costly 66-65 loss on the road to Carleton.  The Scots appeared to have the inside track for that sixth spot after this last Saturday but now find themselves fighting for their playoff lives.  And to compound the situation, Hamline, which appeared to be back on the respirator again suddenly came alive (again) and simply and utterly humiliated league-leading UST last night 85-71.  We now have a situation in place where we could have a three-way tie for first place and a two-way tie for sixth place.  This wild, weird, wacky season just keeps getting wackier.

Hold on to your hats, folks.  Judgment Saturday is just around the corner.  
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2011, 03:42:21 PM
St Thomas puts the beatdown on St. Bens, 80-47.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 21, 2011, 12:59:34 AM
Time for the final power rankings of the season:

1.  UST
2.  Concordia
3.  Bethel
4.  (tie) GAC & CSB
5.  Macalester
6.  (tie) Hamline & St. Olaf
7.  SMU
8.  (tie) Carleton & St. Kate's
9.  Augsburg

After getting through this last wacky week and Judgment Saturday in particular still more shake-ups and surprises in the end.  UST saw both ends of the spectrum; getting thumped on Wednesday night and then posting an impressive win yesterday.  Solidly at the #2 position is Concordia which made a big statement yesterday with a resounding win on the road at Hutton Arena against a Hamline team that was trying to pull out all the stops in a last-ditch effort to try and make the playoffs.  The other big winner in the last week was Bethel as they slide into the #3 spot in my rankings because they keep on winning.  GAC didn't look nearly as impressive as I thought they would playing an SMU team that was finishing out the stretch.  But the big loser on Saturday had to be CSB which was simply and utterly shred into smithereens by UST  in another Stalingrad-esque performance by the Blazers (and NO, Blazer fan, you were not the Russians in this one either).  Macalester was able to sneak in the back door for that coveted sixth spot after losing a tough one to Bethel while Hamline was left at the Heartbreak Hotel.  St. Olaf ended the season on a good note; edging cross-town rival Carleton by one point as did St. Kate's as they staved off Augsburg in overtime in a wild one over at the Butler Center.

Tomorrow night I'll handicap the teams for the upcoming MIAC playoffs that begin Tuesday night.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 21, 2011, 02:50:12 PM
Wow St. Bens.  When was the last time a St. Bens team lost that bad in conference?!  Hopefully for their sake it was the wake up call the needed for the conference tournament. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 21, 2011, 11:09:05 PM
OK; so let's try handicapping the MIAC playoff field here and see if we can possibly make some sense of what turned out to be an incredibly unpredicatable year.  Let's start with the sixth seed and move our way up:

6.  Macalester - Admittedly they got in through the back door and I'd like this team's chances better had they come away with at least a split this last week.  Still, you have to respect what they've done since mid-January.  NO ONE, including yours truly, thought that Mac could possibly be a factor this season after losing Trina PaStarr, Ann Baltzer and Danielle Johnson.  Still, the Rene Sisters proved that they're still terrors when shooting the ball and Majra Mucic was simply unbelievable at times this year.  They won some games they shouldn't have won and lost some games they shouldn't have lost.

Sure sign of trouble.....If the Rene Sisters go stone cold from behind the arc and Mucic gets no help down low from either Holly Schiedermayer or Audrey Mills.


5.  Bethel - IMHO, this team is a lot better than their seed.  They rode a seven-game winning streak only to follow it up with a five-game losing skid.  Losing Alicia Montbriand to an ACL a few weeks back didn't help and Kelly Swenson has been battling shin splints as well.  Still, this team found a way to turn it around and get it going again when it looked like they were going down with the Titanic.  They have not only been winning but, more importantly, have found ways to survive very tough, very physical games as of late which is what you need to do when this time of year rolls around.

Sure sign of trouble.....If Scotti Moats gets into foul trouble early and neither Danielle Ruberg or Shana Grejtak are able to pick up the slack.


4.  GAC - It wouldn't seem like the MIAC playoffs without GAC being in it and even more so if they didn't find a way to bow out early again.  GAC hasn't gone into any major slumps unlike some other teams this season yet, when they've been winning, they haven't been terribly impressive in doing so either.  They did steal a crucial road game up at Concordia earlier this season and yet they've taken thumpings from both Macalester and Hamline on the road and, worse yet, at home from UST.  They did split with Concordia but were swept by both CSB and UST.  In the playoffs where the intensity is ratched up several notches, this does not bode well for the Gusties.

Sure sign of trouble - If post players Molly Mathiowetz and Abby Rothenbuehler can't kick it out to the three point shooters and Molly Geske doesn't get creative enough.


3.  CSB - If there was ever a team going into the playoffs with their tail between their legs it would most definitely be the Blazers as they've inexplicably gone into major, major meltdown mode as they've lost five out of their last nine games and, not only that, have absorbed some serious, serious spankings along the way.  You would never expect this from a senior dominated team that features Amy Stifter, Laura Canton, Heather Gillund, Joelle Waytashek and Devin Bowlin.  Still, there's something about how a wounded animal is always the most dangerous when backed into a corner and CSB may very well be that wounded animal (anyone remember 2005?).

Sure sign of trouble.....If Blazers get into a hole early it may be too much to overcome for this psychologically-damaged team.


2.  Concordia - Speaking of senior-laden teams, you simply have to like this group's chances.  True, they were swept by Bethel this year in totally bizarre fashion and they haven't been invincible at home either.  Yet, along the way they've shown signs of what championship contenders do and they've been pretty steady at it for the most part this year.  When you've got seniors Erica Nord and Lindsey Schultz in the backcourt along with a huge presence in freshman Alexandra Lippert who can swat away shots at a moment's notice plus steady performances by reserves Emily Thesing and Tricia Sorenson you just have to like this team's chances.

Sure sign of trouble.....If Lippert starts picking up fouls in bunches like she did early in the year and Nord gets the yips at the charity stripe late in a close game.


1.  UST - From a purely physical standpoint this team can instill the fear of God in opponents and they've got the big tools to do just that (Rachel Booth, Taylor Young, and Maggie Weiers).  They've also got one of the best defensive players in the game in Jazmin Townsend plus, IMHO, the three-point shooting queen of the MIAC in Ali Johnson.  So, why is it I have some nagging doubts about this group?  True, Johnson was sick a few weeks ago and the recovery process can be slow.  But this group has also shown some chinks in its armour as they've lost at St. Kate's and mailed it in when they went over to Hutton Arena to play Hamline.  They also lost two tough games at home to quality opponents in UW-Stevens Point and Concordia.  So how will this group respond in a tough game late against a quality opponent?

Sure sign of trouble.....If Johnson is quiet from behind the arc and Kellie Ring and Carolyn Dienhart are non-factors in the backcourt forcing Booth to shoulder the load.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 22, 2011, 08:42:51 PM
If you would have told me this group of seniors for CSB would be in this situation 2 years ago I would have thought you were crazy. 

I hope they can salvage this season and make a run in the MIAC playoffs.  They have the talent to do it, that's for sure.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:31:45 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 26, 2011, 09:45:08 PM
Congratulations to the Concordia Cobbers as they systematically wore down UST both physically and mentally in today's MIAC Championship Game.  The game wasn't as close as the 71-61 final would suggest.  The Corn got off to a quick start and controlled the tempo for most of the first half despite a late flurry by the Tommies.  The critical juncture came early in the second half when the Tommies were threatening and had cut the Cobber lead to a single possession and could have tied things up or gone ahead - but didn't.  The senior leadership of Nord, Schultz, Jossart, and Bauernfeind refused to let this team hit the panic button when it could have and slowly but surely pulled away from the Tommies for the victory.  The Concordia defense simply stifled the Tommies at times as several key UST players were totally ineffective at key moments.

Now comes the interesting part as Concordia waits to see where it will be shipped off to.  With Coe edging Simpson at home in Cedar Rapids as well this afternoon in the IIAC Championship Game the guess here is that Concordia will be headed to the City of Five Seasons.  I'm anticipating that the MIAC will get screwed once again and get only one team in; not that I'd be as disappointed about it as I was last year but UST deserves a bid into the Dance as well, IMHO.  We'll just have to see what shakes out when Monday morning comes around....
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:25:06 PM
Cobbers play Simpson @ Point.  Other team is St. Norbs
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 04, 2011, 01:43:14 PM
Good luck to Concordia in their 1st round game tonight vs Simpson.  Should be a good one.  Would really like to see the battle between the Cobber's Alexandra Lippert and Simpson's Stacey Schutjer.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 14, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
Running a little late this year but I guess it's time I dust off the cobwebs on this board (since I'm about the only one posting up here anymore) and offer up my prognostications for the 2011-12 MIAC race:

The Title Contenders

UST & GAC

The talent that UST has amassed over the last few years is nothing short of amazing and, because of that, they'll have the inside track to both the regular season and tournament titles.  They have Maggie Weiers who can simply dominate down low, an incredible sophomore in Taylor Young, and senior three point shooting Queen Ali Johnson plus a pretty capable backcourt duo of Kellie Ring and Carolyn Dienhart; not to mention a bench that's LOADED.  Still, as good as this team is, they are not infalliable and their loss in the MIAC Championship Game at home to Concordia proved that.  The one team that will challenge them for the title this year has to be GAC.  They have one of the top two or three PGs in Colleen Ruane, a do-it-all senior in Molly Geske, a much, much improved Abby Rothenbuehler at the post, and, like UST, a bench that is absolutely LOADED.  The Gusties will get tested early, though, with a roadie over to WIAC powerhouse UW-River Falls tomorrow night and a trip out to the Motherland to take on SCIAC opponents Redlands and Occidental.


Playoff Contenders

St. Olaf, CSB, Concordia, & Bethel

To me, St. Olaf is the team that makes the big jump this year into the elite group.  They have the best PG in the conference, IMHO, in Mackenzie Wolter and a big front line that includes Erin Haglund and Elise Raney at the post position.  On the downside, they are not deep and if their roster starts getting red crosses like my fantasy football team does, everything could go awry for them.  Last year's senior-laden team CSB and defending MIAC Champ Concordia are both incredibly young this year although the Corn still has lanky 6'4" post Alexandra Lippert.  I give Bethel the best chance to snare the 6th spot this season despite losing Scottie Moats who had to end her basketball career prematurely.  They still have Taylor Sheley and a great defender in Kelly Swenson.


The Lurkers

Hamline, Macalester, & SMU

I have not seen Hamline's roster yet but they should be dangerous as always if not consistent.  Macalester still has the Rene Sisters who can terrorize opponents from behind the arc and if anyone can squeeze the most out of a lemon, it's Macalester Head Coach Ellen Thompson.  I have to say that including SMU in this group is somewhat generous given the fact that the coaching staff there doesn't even have ten years experience amongst them and also includes an assistant who is a media hack (cough cough....Willy Wonka) with an agenda.  Still, SMU does have a very capable senior in Emily DeWitt plus an up-and-coming post in Courtney Euerle so they will have their moments.


The Cellar-Dwellers

Carleton, St. Kate's & Augsburg

I don't expect much from either one of these teams this year although St. Kate's will be a team to keep your eye on with all the newcomers they have; particularly Jule Muegge.  New Augsburg coach Bill McKee has a tough task ahead of him but if anyone can make Augsburg competitive again it's him.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on November 15, 2011, 09:56:48 PM
Don't jump off the bandwagon L.A. Rams. It's only one game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 16, 2011, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: gacbacker on November 15, 2011, 09:56:48 PM
Don't jump off the bandwagon L.A. Rams. It's only one game.

No, I haven't as UW-River Falls is a quality opponent.  On the flip side, just checking the boxscore from last night's game does give me cause for some concern....

Was able to catch Hamline's 69-59 win over Northwestern last night which proved to be a very entertaining game.  Hamline FY player Jordan Sammons is the real deal.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 17, 2011, 02:24:36 PM
OUCH!  UST gets dough-popped over at UW-Stevens Point (again).  Maybe the Tommies should think twice before hopping over the River into Wisconsin again for awhile....

In any event, with GAC's loss in a tough game to UW-River Falls the other this is not a positive development for the MIAC in terms of the conference's NCAA tournament chances; i.e., getting more than ONE team into the Big Dance.  Hopefully St. Olaf will have some positive results out in the Motherland this weekend and the Gusties likewise over the Thanksgiving holiday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: blazerguy on November 22, 2011, 03:32:25 PM
Good to have MIAC back in action. I don't know much about this years teams other than UST is loaded as always. The good news is they still have Sins as coach, she will figure out a way to disrupt the team. The Blazers will have the most inexperienced team Durbin has coached for a long time. They will also have one of the deepest teams Durbin has ever coached, and that says alot as Durbin usually has a deep team. Once one starter (Dale) and a top reserve (Hylla), return from studying overseas they will even be deeper. Expect a much different team this year, an offense and rotation will surprise many. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 09, 2012, 07:45:15 AM
Well, here we go.  Time for my first MIAC Power Rankings For the 2011-12 Season:

1.  UST
2.  GAC
3.  St. Olaf
4.  Bethel
5.  (tie)  CSB & Concordia
6.  Augsburg
7.  (tie)  SMU & Hamline
8.  Macalester
9.  (tie) Carleton & St. Kate's

I don't think there can be much of an argument against the first two spots.  After that, though, it gets a little tricky.  St. Olaf got through a bit of a rough stretch; losing to both UST and GAC but has rebounded nicely with a comfortable home win against Concordia and then picking up that huge roadie "W" at Bethel on Saturday.  The Oles hopes have also been bolstered by the return of Elise Raney off the IR as she had dislocated her knee this last fall but looks as healthy and strong as ever now.  Speaking of Bethel, they were looking VERY good at the first of the year; riding an 8-game win streak but the Royals have suddenly been brought back to earth; losing home games to both CSB and St. Olaf which proved to be a very costly week for Herbie's squad.  They have two "must win" games, IMHO, this week:  at home against SMU on Wednesday and then the little trek down Snelling Avenue at Hamline this coming Saturday, if they are to keep pace with the big names in front of them. 

CSB appeared to be on life-support a mere week ago but picked up that big win at Bethel and then held serve against Hamline at home on Saturday.  This is a very young squad but you can never count a Mike Durbin-coached squad completely out.  Like the Blazers, Concordia is also very young and has been going through its share of growing pains already this season.  Still, I have a feeling that the Corn are going to get better and better as the season progresses and will be a factor down the stretch.  I'm just not sold on SMU as they have a habit of faltering as the season progresses.  Hamline has a lot of exciting young talent on board but they've already lost Cassidy Vogt to injury and they've been wildly inconsistent this season.  Macalester has dug themselves into a canyon already and I don't think even Head Coach Ellen Thompson can get them out of this one.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 16, 2012, 07:47:08 AM
Another interesting week and weekend in the MIAC has resulted in some re-shuffling in my lastest MIAC Power Rankings:

1.  UST
2.  GAC
3.  St. Olaf
4.  SMU
5.  Bethel
6.  Concordia
7.  Augsburg
8.  CSB
9.  Hamline
10.  Macalester
11. Carleton
12.  St. Kate's

UST needed Kelly Brandenburg's heroics with just five ticks left on the clock to lift them past the Corn up in Moorhead on Saturday - and to hang on to the top spot in the power rankings.  GAC, meanwhile, overcame a feisty challenge by always dangerous Macalester in the first half to cruise to an easy win in the second half.  St. Olaf, despite looking like (expletive deleted) on Wedensday night at Augsburg, took care of business at home against CSB so I'll let them hang on to the third spot.

It's really, really hard for me to do this but I simply have no choice but to shove SMU up to the fourth spot.  Why?  Well, simply because they've found ways to win games on the road that they really probably should have lost.  Can they hang on to this spot?  We'll see.  Meanwhile, Bethel, which was riding high coming into the first of the year is suddenly reeling after that disastrous three-game homestand and needed a scoring outburst from Taylor Sheley to overcome a 27-18 halftime deficit at Hamline.  With UST visiting the Robertson Center tonight and GAC likewise this next Saturday, the Royals somehow have to make a stand to avoid yet another January swoon.  Concordia blew a big chance to pull off a huge upset of UST at home and this young squad is going to have to find some consistency if they want to entertain thoughts of hosting a conference playoff game.  Ditto for Augsburg which has improved tremendously under new Head Coach Bill McKee.  They looked very good against St. Olaf this last Wednesday night but inexplicably let down against SMU at home on Saturday.  This week is a big chance for the Auggies to right the ship with a trip to Northfield tonight to take on Carleton and then home dates with CSB and St. Kate's on Wednesday and Saturday, respectively.  Speaking of CSB, isn't it weird to see them on life-support this season?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 17, 2012, 10:06:04 PM
Weird? I think it's GREAT to see them on life support this season  ;D

Especially after listening to their god-awful, unprofessional, whining radio announcers during the Gustavus game the other night.

They spent so much time complaining about the officials and how Gustavus was getting every call that one would have had no idea what was going on in the game. Then they basically said that they weren't impressed with GAC (despite the sweep over their team) and that they gave GAC no chance to beat St. Thomas.

Seriously, what a bunch of homerish clowns.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 19, 2012, 02:02:39 PM
L.A. Rams, were you in attendance for the wild finish at Hutton Arena last night?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 20, 2012, 07:40:58 AM
Gacbacker - Unfortunately, I wasn't.  Was over at Bethel doing color commentary on their game against St. Kate's which had none of the drama that the GAC - Hamline tilt had.  Props to Steph Comer for her ice water in her veins half-court Hail-Mary buzzer-beater just to force the OT.  Ironically (and I'm not sure of this), I think the last buzzer-beater (in any form) was Carolyn Korchik's heroics from behind the half-court line back in '03 at the very same venue as Hamline knocked off Macalester at the end.

Things are slowly starting to take shape in the conference AFA playoff jockeying/positioning.  Some teams are finding themselves in very dire straits with their hopes (Augsburg, CSB) while some others are sitting pretty at the moment (SMU).  IF form holds tomorrow and next Wednesday, that should set up nicely the titanic match-up between UST and GAC down in St. Peter next week Saturday.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 23, 2012, 07:52:22 AM
Time for my latest MIAC Power Rankings....

1.  UST
2.  GAC
3.  St. Olaf
4.  Concordia
5.  (tie) Bethel & SMU
6.  Augsburg
7.  Macalester
8.  (tie) CSB & Hamline
9.  Carleton
10.  St. Kate's

No change among the top three spots - yet, anyway.  UST has already cheated defeat a couple of times in the last week and GAC needed a half court Hail Mary buzzer-beater from Steph Comer just to force OT at Hamline and escaped Hutton Arena with a one-point victory.  St. Olaf staved off a hard challenge from their cross-town rivals on Saturday over at West Gymnasium.

After that, things are a bit convoluted.  Concordia went down to St. Joe and (expletive deleted)-slapped a moribund CSB team.  Not suprising at all to see the Corn getting better and better.  GAC was coldly efficient in hammering Bethel at the Robertson Center on Saturday and the second-half of their conference schedule is just plain brutal; I'm beginning to have serious doubts about the Royals chances now.  UST predictably clipped the wings of SMU's mirage in a game that wasn't as close as the final score indicated.  One benefactor in all this just may be Augsburg which found a way to win at St. Kate's despite bringing only their B- game.  They do need to be more consistent.

You can never take any opponent in this conference lightly (do you hear me UST and GAC?) but it LOOKS as if things are shaping up nicely for this coming Saturday's showdown in St. Pete.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Blazer brat on January 24, 2012, 09:14:33 PM
Has Durbin lost his touch at CSB? I mean, after a collossal failure last season with a talented, senior-laden team...now this! It's not like he doesn't have talent to work with this season. I view Durbin as a relic in the MIAC. Perhaps he was a good coach back in the day, but it appears as though the rest of the league has evolved their programs while it seems Mike is still hoping his computer doesn't crash in the new millennia. The ties and sport coats still work though 8-). UST, GAC, Olaf, Concordia and, yes even St. Mary's appear to have the upper hand, with very impressive, young and energetic coaches. The MIAC is not what it used to be, in any sport...recruiting, strategy, player development and motivation are now on a completely different level.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: MIAC23 on January 25, 2012, 03:34:10 PM
Ha, Blazer brat made me laugh. I think Durbin is doing just fine at CSB! How was last season a collossal failure? They were the 3rd best team in the conference and that is how they finished. They made the conference semis and lost to a better team. Seems to me they finished right where they should have.
Seems to me they have a pretty young team this year. Aren't coaches allowed one down year? If this becomes a trend, maybe two, three or four years, then you may have a point. But, I wouldn't get all bent out of shape about one down year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gacbacker on January 25, 2012, 11:34:46 PM
Yeah I wouldn't count Durbin down and out. He will be back next year with a better team. The fact that they won't make the playoffs this year is a good thing for the MIAC though. The conference has been dominated by a few teams since the currentl playoff system was implemented. It's nice to see St. Mary's and St. Olaf up there in the top half after many years of sub .500 seasons. And even Augsburg being out of the cellar is a nice change.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2012, 11:27:30 AM
I agree that assessment of CSB and Durbin is way, way premature.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 06, 2012, 07:51:43 AM
Okay, after an unexpected week off last week I'm back at it and it's once again time for the weekly MIAC Power Rankings:

1.  UST
2.  GAC
3.  St. Olaf
4.  Concordia
5.  SMU
6.  (tie) Bethel & Augsburg
7.  CSB
8.  Macalester
9.  Hamline
10.  Carleton
11.  St. Kate's

No question as to who's at the top as UST continues to run roughshod over everybody in the conference despite a few close calls.  GAC remains numero dos as they've demonstrated time and time (and time and time) again that they're very happy and content at being the second-best team in the conference after getting punched in the mouth (again) by UST the weekend before.  The Gusties clearly had a big-time hangover from that embarrassment as they looked sloppy at beating Augsburg, getting punked at St. Olaf, and then bringing their B- game to St. Kate's this last Saturday.  Gusties are pretty much locked into the #2 spot when it comes to playoff time but they have to ratchet up the intensity level coming down the home stretch.  Perhaps, even more important, they HAVE to ditch the "We're nice so we're going to play nice" attitute and replace it with a take no prisoners approach if they ever want to entertain thoughts about knocking off UST and winning the MIAC Championship game.

St. Olaf remains in the third spot after hanging on at home against Bethel on Saturday but their comfort zone is diminishing rapidly as Concordia is nipping at their heels.  SMU manages to win games that they shouldn't be winning so they're at the 5 spot for the moment.  I'm just not sold on this group.  The sixth playoff spot is going to be a battle as Bethel and Augsburg are in a fight for their playoff lives and I'm not sure who I favor at the moment.  CSB managed to get a big win on the road at Hamline on Saturday but trying to get themselves into position for the sixth spot will likely be a bridge too far for them.  Speaking of that game, I'm hoping that Hamline's Stephanie Rice is making a full recovery after the inadvertent elbow she took to the head that required a trip to the hospital afterward.   
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2012, 06:55:43 PM
If anyone is around, Coach Ruth Sinn will be on Hoopsville tonight!

Show starts at 7:00 PM EST and Coach Sinn is scheduled for the second hour of the show.

Tune in at www.d3hoopsville.com (http://www.d3hoopsville.com).

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Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2012, 09:47:51 PM
In case you missed Hoopsville, tonight, the archive is already available: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12)

Coach Sinn's segment is around 1:15 or so into the show.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 13, 2012, 07:54:42 AM
Time to do those MIAC Power Rankings again....

1.  UST
2.  Concordia
3.  GAC
4.  Bethel
5.  St. Olaf
6.  SMU
7.  Macalester
8.  Augsburg
9.  CSB
10.  Hamline
11.  Carleton
12.  St. Kate's

I should have figured that I would have to start out this week with YET another rant on GAC.  To start off with, "Hey GAC - What the HELL was THAT???"  Anyone who may have been over at Macalester's Leonard Center on Saturday to witness that utter abomination of heart and fight from this team would have to be asking the same thing.  That was simply unacceptable and inexcusable for a team with this kind of talent and ability to commit a choke job like this late in the regular season.  An epic FAIL of monumental proportions.  IF, if GAC wants to be considered an "elite" program in my mind then what they have to do the rest of the way is quite simple:  (1) Win out the rest of the regular season.  (2) Win the MIAC playoffs (and that includes a CONVINCING win over UST at their place in the MIAC Championship Game).  And (3) - make a DEEP run in the NCAA Tournament.  It's as simple as that.  I'm tired of the old, worn out excuses about how close they get and how things just don't go right for them when they need them to.  Won't work this time.

Elsewhere, the playoff TEAMS have been set.  Now it's just a matter of where to place everybody.  We all know the two top spots have been pre-determined (although the #2 spot should arguably go to a more deserving team) but there's a lot up for grab below that.  St. Olaf would APPEAR to have the easiest route to getting the 3-4 spot with games against St. Kate's and Carleton this week.  We know that GAC will get pummelled up in Moorhead on Wednesday night and then the Corn have CSB at home as well so that's definitely doable.  SMU has a trickier road with a game at Hamline and then a brutal roadie on Saturday at UST.  Bethel, with two road games at UST and GAC (although GAC is obviously beatable now) has a hard row to hoe this week for sure.  Has to be incredibly disappointing for Augsburg, which was looking so good early on in the season, to collapse as it did; losing key games down the stretch that were more than winnable.  Still, this program has made some great strides under new head coach Bill McKee and I think good things are in store for them down the road.

Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 14, 2012, 07:27:53 AM
Gotta be either Taylor Sheley or Taylor Young, IMHO.  Young is probably the more prolific of the two but they're probably more apt to give it to Sheley being that she's a senior. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Blazer brat on February 20, 2012, 09:38:26 AM
Best of luck to the teams competing in the MIAC tournament. Obviously, UST is the odds-on favorite and my prediction to win and advance to the National tourney. GAC can compete for the title if they play solid. Watch out for well-coached Concordia team though, if they get hot they can make a run as well. On the other hand, this is an incredible burst to the enormous bubble on Durbin's shoulders...is there a more arrogant coach in MIAC Women's Basketball? Both Sheley and Young would make for great representation for the MIAC. Sheley gets it narrowly, not because she's a senior, but what would Bethel be without her this year?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 20, 2012, 05:31:03 PM
Time for the final MIAC Power Rankings as the regular season comes to a close......

1.  UST
2.  GAC
3.  Concordia
4.  St. Olaf
5.  SMU
6.  Bethel
7.  Macalester
8.  Augsburg
9.  CSB
10.  Hamline
11.  Carleton
12.  St. Kate's

Guess it's kind of hard to deviate from the actual standings amongst the first six teams who are playoff bound.  I realize I came down on GAC pretty hard this last week; guess I needed to get some frustrations off my chest.  They did lose (somewhat predictably) up in Moorhead to Concordia but were able to right the ship against Bethel and get some much-needed momentum heading into the playoffs.  Speaking of Concordia, they have quietly won ten of their last twelve games and have conveniently been able to stay off the radar; probably just how Head Coach Jessica Rahman wants it.  They are arguably the team to keep your eye on (once again) as we get into the playoffs.  St. Olaf had a tougher time than expected in holding off their cross-town rival, Carleton, on Saturday and they need to ratchet up the intensity - NOW.  Augsburg was able to salvage something of a disappointing home-run stretch with a home victory on Saturday against St. Kate's but it had to be a bummer for them knowing that they had that sixth spot within reach and couldn't finish the deal.  I can agree with Blazer Brat that it is simply.....just weird.....to see CSB finish where they did.  But this was an incredibly young team this year; beset with injuries and inexperience.  If there is ANYONE who can get CSB back up to the elite level it's Durbin.  He's been around too long and has had way too much success to let the Blazers wallow in mediocrity.  An incredibly tough year for St. Kate's which went winless in conference play but they have a VERY underrated coach in Gary Rufsvold.  He needs to bolster his squad with some prize recruits but if he gets a solid package the 'Cats can be dangerous once again.

Coming up tomorrow, I'll handicap the MIAC playoffs.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 21, 2012, 08:17:14 AM
Well, let's try handicapping the MIAC Playoff field once again.....

6.  Bethel - After a great start to the season that saw them rip off eight straight W's they were on a roller-coaster ride, at best, once they got into the meat of the MIAC season.  They at least avoided a full-scale meltdown but could never recapture the magic they were able to find in December.  Granted, this is a team that had to overcome the loss of Scotti Moats at the beginning of the year that significantly changed the overall dynamics of this squad.  Still, they are fortunate enough to have the likely conference MVP in Taylor Sheley and, in order for them to do the unlikely, she will have to be on fire and score - a LOT.  Ditto for their other three-point bomber Alicia Montbriand who will need to get a lot of looks as well.  The post play has been adequately covered by Kia Dahlquist and Lindy Parker and the guard play overall has been solid enough.  I think Kelly Swenson needs to have a breakout game from an offensive standpoint if the Royals are to do the improbable but it's certainly within the realm of possibility.

Sure sign of trouble - If Sheley isn't dropping her usual requisite of 3's they're in big trouble.  It's as simple as that.


5.  SMU - I didn't get a chance to see this team in action this season and honestly don't know a lot about them but they've been able to defy logic and crash the post-season party.  This team has been riding high on Jessica Thone's scoring and I've always felt that Courtney Euerle has had the ability to be one of the top post players in the conference and she's beginning to make a name for herself - certainly from a rebounding standpoint anyway.  But these are unchartered waters for this squad and I just don't think they're ready to be prime time players yet.

Sure sign of trouble - If this team gets down early in tonight's game with St. Olaf it could be over quickly for this inexperienced group.


4.  St. Olaf - Dave Stromme finally has his program in the post-season party and you knew it was only going to be a matter of time before he did that.  He's finally got the type of team I think he's always wanted - the "bigs" in Erin Haglund and Elise Raney plus solid enough guard play - especially from one of the best PGs in the conference in Mackenzie Wolter.  Still, this team didn't do quite as well as I had expected from a W-L standpoint but that may be the experience factor coming into play here.  I would think that, if they're ever going to take this league by storm, next year HAS to be the year or they're never going to do it.

Sure sign of trouble - If Raney's knee goes out on her again and Addy Bates, Kirstee Rottee, and (C'mon) Eileen O'Donoghue are rendered ineffective from behind the arc.


3.  Concordia - As I mentioned in yesterday's post, this just may be the ONE team to keep your eye on - again.  They've quietly won 10 out of their last twelve games and have managed to stay off the radar which is how Head Coach Jessica Rahman likes it.  They struggled early on in the season; battling inexperience and youthful mistakes but they've slowly come along and have been able to do quite well without what you would call a star-studded line-up.  Yes, they do have 6'4" post Alexandra Lippert but it's been more than that.  Last year's reserves, Emily Thesing and Tricia Sorenson, have been the glue that has made this team better as the season progressed.  I don't think they have enough to overcome UST in the MIAC Championship game - IF they're able to get there - but they will have to be one of the favorites next year for sure.

Sure sign of trouble - Just like last year, they CANNOT afford to have Lippert get into early foul trouble which would put a lot of pressure on reserve posts Walloch and Benjamin.


2.  GAC - (Sigh).....Okay, okay.  I know I came down awfully hard on this group - rightfully so or not - a mere week ago.  I'm not going to rehash the reasons why because that would take me a good part of the A.M. to do and I've already been over that stuff ad nauseum.  I just expected A LOT out of this team this year; even if they weren't able to overtake UST for the top spot.  This squad DOES have the tools to do this - they have the best PG in the conference in Colleen Ruane and always-dangerous Molly Geske plus a three-point bomber in Ava Perry and solid enough front line play from Eli Benz and a rebounding machine in post Abby Rothenbuehler.  But, for some reason, this team just has a certain fragility about it that scares the (expletive deleted) out of me and I can't quite put my finger on it and say what it is exactly.  I hope this squad can get an invite to the Big Dance but they may have played their way out of it with some of the late-season stumbles they've had and just getting to the MIAC Championship Game may not be enough.

Sure sign of trouble - If Geske gets bottled up inside consistently and Rothenbuehler tries to do too much which sometimes gets her into early foul problems.


1.  UST - Well, what more can you say about this squad that wiped the slate clean with the rest of the conference?  The one thing that Head Coach Ruth Sinn emphasized to me at the beginning of the year was being consistent and they've arguably been just that - incredibly consistent.  They did survive a couple of close calls but, aside from that, pretty much beat up the rest of the conference.  I honestly do not see any weaknesses at all with this squad.  The backcourt duo of Kellie Ring and Carolyn Dienhart has been solid, they've got the MIAC's three-point shooting Queen in Ali Johnson, they have a great post player in Maggie Weiers, an unbelievable player in Taylor Young, plus a bench that goes deeper than most nuclear submarines.  The question here is not whether or not UST will win this (they will) but how far can they go in the Big Dance.  I think this team is more than ready to go very deep.....I don't know if they can win the whole ball of wax but after last year's disappointing finish you have to think they're hungry and have a lot of unfinished business to tend to.

Sure sign of trouble - If the earth suddenly stops spinning and tsunamis suddenly hit both the East and West coasts.  That's about what it would take to stop this team.       
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: royalfan on February 21, 2012, 03:48:23 PM
Who is ready for an exciting night of MIAC playoff games? I'm real excited to see Taylor Sheley and the Royals squad take on the Cobbers tonight. Say what you want about either team, but when these two teams match up it is always a good game. I'm hoping that the Royals can pull off the win tonight, and I have a hopeful feeling that they will, but the Cobbers won't give it to them easily. I would really just like to see the Royals bring the heat tonight and to show this conference what they are really capable of.

I'd also like to say congrats to the possible MIAC MVP Taylor Sheley on the MIAC Profile of Excellence article, as Herbie said, she really is a great person on the court and an even better person off the court. Herbie and his team will suffer a great loss next season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on February 24, 2012, 12:23:41 AM
so it #1 v #2.......cna UST make it 24 in a row vs the MIAC?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: royalfan on February 26, 2012, 03:31:36 PM
As annoyingly good as St. Thomas is, congrats to them on their undefeated season. I wonder how many conference championships they can rack up this year... football, wbb, maybe mbb, or men's/women's hockey? Can't we just send them D2 and call it a day??
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 07:52:39 AM
Well, here we are at Selection Monday.  Was glancing at the D3 Hoops projected brackets and, predictably, they have GAC left out.  Yet, they project THREE teams from the WIAC (UW-Stevens Point, UW-Whitewater, and UW-River Falls to get in.  They also have two IIAC teams getting in - Coe (winner of the IIAC Championship Game) and Simpson.  Yet, for some reason, GAC, which beat BOTH Occidental AND Redlands and lost to UW-River Falls at their place in the season opener and made it to the MIAC Championship Game WITH a #5 ranking in the West Region and an overall record of 20-6 gets conveniently left out.  Guess this is yet another excuse for the NCAA to (expletive deleted) over the MIAC when it comes to getting teams into the Dance.  The last time the MIAC had two teams in is back in '09 when both CSB (MIAC champ) and Concordia got in.  Three teams made it in '08 (still don't know how that happened) but there is every reason why GAC is DESERVING of a berth.

While I think it's a given that UST will host a sub-regional (pod), it will be interesting to see who they send up here.  I'm guessing Coe will be up here for sure.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:48:22 PM
Well, wanted to take some time today to let my thoughts pour out about the injustice (ONCE AGAIN) done to the MIAC after watching the NCAA Women's Selection Show earlier this afternoon.  Yes, UST did get the automatic berth from Saturday's victory and will host a sub regional (pod) this weekend as expected.  BUT, as I feared earlier today, GAC got the mother of all snubs from the selection committee when it was left out of the field of 64 (in retrospect, I KNEW I should have made that quick run to Walgreens earlier this A.M. to get that little bottle of Vaseline that I just knew I'd need when the Selection Show came on).  Yes, despite going 20-6 on the year AND being ranked in the West Regional rankings - AND making it to the MIAC Championship game where they fell to UST after making a valiant second half comeback bid.  You'll notice, of course, that the neighboring WIAC and IIAC conferences got their requisite four (the WIAC gets FOUR!) and two teams in, respectively.  But, for some reason, the NCAA just doesn't think the MIAC is good enough to warrant this kind of consideration.  Well, gee, NCAA....thanks for all the consideration.  Hopefully, you'll have a somewhat better explanation for the four seniors on the GAC team (Molly Geske, Colleen Ruane, Ava Perry, and Liz Shay) who worked so hard this year and DESERVED an NCAA Tournament bid.  This is the THIRD YEAR IN A ROW that the MIAC has suffered this kind of fate and, quite frankly, it's getting old.  This is the time - NOW - when the conference, it's administrators, athletic directors, and coaches have to take DECISIVE action or else they'll be in the same predicament year after year after year.  Just utterly ridiculous.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2012, 07:33:47 AM
Congratulations to Bethel's Taylor Sheley on being named MIAC POY - an honor well-deserved.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Bird Dog on March 03, 2012, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:48:22 PM
Well, wanted to take some time today to let my thoughts pour out about the injustice (ONCE AGAIN) done to the MIAC after watching the NCAA Women's Selection Show earlier this afternoon.  Yes, UST did get the automatic berth from Saturday's victory and will host a sub regional (pod) this weekend as expected.  BUT, as I feared earlier today, GAC got the mother of all snubs from the selection committee when it was left out of the field of 64 (in retrospect, I KNEW I should have made that quick run to Walgreens earlier this A.M. to get that little bottle of Vaseline that I just knew I'd need when the Selection Show came on).  Yes, despite going 20-6 on the year AND being ranked in the West Regional rankings - AND making it to the MIAC Championship game where they fell to UST after making a valiant second half comeback bid.  You'll notice, of course, that the neighboring WIAC and IIAC conferences got their requisite four (the WIAC gets FOUR!) and two teams in, respectively.  But, for some reason, the NCAA just doesn't think the MIAC is good enough to warrant this kind of consideration.  Well, gee, NCAA....thanks for all the consideration.  Hopefully, you'll have a somewhat better explanation for the four seniors on the GAC team (Molly Geske, Colleen Ruane, Ava Perry, and Liz Shay) who worked so hard this year and DESERVED an NCAA Tournament bid.  This is the THIRD YEAR IN A ROW that the MIAC has suffered this kind of fate and, quite frankly, it's getting old.  This is the time - NOW - when the conference, it's administrators, athletic directors, and coaches have to take DECISIVE action or else they'll be in the same predicament year after year after year.  Just utterly ridiculous.

I am having trouble quoting Hoop junkie (IIAC Feb. 13, 2010) and Bird Dog (IIAC Feb. 14, 2010). In these posts we explained it to you why the MIAC doesn't get the  respect it deserves.  I do agree that 4 teams out of one conference is too many, but I think the IIAC deserves two teams.  A second place team from the IIAC should have gotten in in 2008, 2009, and 2010. I don't think a win or loss tonight by either team proves this point.  Good luck and stay healthy to all.   P.S. 2008 Coe should have gotten in but the MIAC champion didn't take care of business and let a sub par Carleton team win the tournament. Hope this doesn't start too much controversy.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on March 03, 2012, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:48:22 PM
Well, wanted to take some time today to let my thoughts pour out about the injustice (ONCE AGAIN) done to the MIAC after watching the NCAA Women's Selection Show earlier this afternoon.  Yes, UST did get the automatic berth from Saturday's victory and will host a sub regional (pod) this weekend as expected.  BUT, as I feared earlier today, GAC got the mother of all snubs from the selection committee when it was left out of the field of 64 (in retrospect, I KNEW I should have made that quick run to Walgreens earlier this A.M. to get that little bottle of Vaseline that I just knew I'd need when the Selection Show came on).  Yes, despite going 20-6 on the year AND being ranked in the West Regional rankings - AND making it to the MIAC Championship game where they fell to UST after making a valiant second half comeback bid.  You'll notice, of course, that the neighboring WIAC and IIAC conferences got their requisite four (the WIAC gets FOUR!) and two teams in, respectively.  But, for some reason, the NCAA just doesn't think the MIAC is good enough to warrant this kind of consideration.  Well, gee, NCAA....thanks for all the consideration.  Hopefully, you'll have a somewhat better explanation for the four seniors on the GAC team (Molly Geske, Colleen Ruane, Ava Perry, and Liz Shay) who worked so hard this year and DESERVED an NCAA Tournament bid.  This is the THIRD YEAR IN A ROW that the MIAC has suffered this kind of fate and, quite frankly, it's getting old.  This is the time - NOW - when the conference, it's administrators, athletic directors, and coaches have to take DECISIVE action or else they'll be in the same predicament year after year after year.  Just utterly ridiculous.

As an avid follower of MIAC men's hoops and a casual follower of the women's game, Ive been scratching my head for nearly a week after readiing this, particularly the lines I put in bold. What "decisive action" should the conference administrators, MIAC school ADs and coaches be taking? Rams, be so kind as to explain what you think needs to be done. Are you suggrsting boycotting? Legal action? Cying and begging for a 2nd,3rd or more teams in the NCAA field?

I'd say maybe the MIAC teams need to post better nonconference records, and do so against quailty, in-region opponents. Not that long ago, 3 MIAC teams got in on the women's side, and if my memory serves me right, they all lost over the opening weekend.

"It's not fair" isnt a very logical argument; as JFK famously said "Life is not fair."
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 06, 2012, 07:35:07 AM
Quote from: miacmaniac on March 03, 2012, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:48:22 PM
Well, wanted to take some time today to let my thoughts pour out about the injustice (ONCE AGAIN) done to the MIAC after watching the NCAA Women's Selection Show earlier this afternoon.  Yes, UST did get the automatic berth from Saturday's victory and will host a sub regional (pod) this weekend as expected.  BUT, as I feared earlier today, GAC got the mother of all snubs from the selection committee when it was left out of the field of 64 (in retrospect, I KNEW I should have made that quick run to Walgreens earlier this A.M. to get that little bottle of Vaseline that I just knew I'd need when the Selection Show came on).  Yes, despite going 20-6 on the year AND being ranked in the West Regional rankings - AND making it to the MIAC Championship game where they fell to UST after making a valiant second half comeback bid.  You'll notice, of course, that the neighboring WIAC and IIAC conferences got their requisite four (the WIAC gets FOUR!) and two teams in, respectively.  But, for some reason, the NCAA just doesn't think the MIAC is good enough to warrant this kind of consideration.  Well, gee, NCAA....thanks for all the consideration.  Hopefully, you'll have a somewhat better explanation for the four seniors on the GAC team (Molly Geske, Colleen Ruane, Ava Perry, and Liz Shay) who worked so hard this year and DESERVED an NCAA Tournament bid.  This is the THIRD YEAR IN A ROW that the MIAC has suffered this kind of fate and, quite frankly, it's getting old.  This is the time - NOW - when the conference, it's administrators, athletic directors, and coaches have to take DECISIVE action or else they'll be in the same predicament year after year after year.  Just utterly ridiculous.

As an avid follower of MIAC men's hoops and a casual follower of the women's game, Ive been scratching my head for nearly a week after readiing this, particularly the lines I put in bold. What "decisive action" should the conference administrators, MIAC school ADs and coaches be taking? Rams, be so kind as to explain what you think needs to be done. Are you suggrsting boycotting? Legal action? Cying and begging for a 2nd,3rd or more teams in the NCAA field?

I'd say maybe the MIAC teams need to post better nonconference records, and do so against quailty, in-region opponents. Not that long ago, 3 MIAC teams got in on the women's side, and if my memory serves me right, they all lost over the opening weekend.

"It's not fair" isnt a very logical argument; as JFK famously said "Life is not fair."

Actually, the coaches have already begun to take decisive action, agreeing in principle to divide the conference in two divisions ( North and South) which would call for a 16-game conference schedule that would really open up the possibilities for non-conference games for all the schools in the conference.  Of course, now it becomes a matter of getting the ADs on the same page as the coaches.  That could be a different matter entirely.....

That said, I still think you can make a very strong case for GAC getting into the Dance.  They won their two games out in California (against Occidental and Redlands) and lost a tough one to UW-River Falls on the Falcons home court; hardly a loss to hang your head over.  The truth of the matter is that there are conferences out there that are arguably weaker than the MIAC that get more than one team into the Big Show.

As far as the year that the MIAC DID get three teams in (2008), you should also note that all three were set up in position to lose early; both GAC and Carleton were sent down to Simpson while UST got shipped over to Wisconsin.  Things could have been that much different if one or two teams had been able to host a sub-regional pod.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2012, 01:12:55 PM
I suggested that once upon a time to conference higher-ups and it was fairly quickly dismissed. It is the only way the conference's SOS is going to improve, though.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: royalfan on March 13, 2012, 01:22:58 AM
Congrats to Taylor Sheley for making the d3 hoops west regions 1st team and also to Taylor Young for making the 2nd team. Way to represent the MIAC!

Also, another congrats to Sheley for the Player of the Year, way to go out with a bang!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on March 16, 2012, 01:57:28 PM
nice writeup in this morning's Strib:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/142867255.html

lets go Tommies!! Bring home the title!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: BruinFan on March 16, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
Go Tommies!  Down 3 early in the 2nd half, but great job getting back in the game after an early deficit.  I'm rooting for an West Region championship game.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on March 17, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
I guess 3rd place isnt too bad for team wasnt even receiving votes in the top 25 poll before the holidays! way to go Tommies!!!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: RogK on March 21, 2012, 07:19:51 PM
My congratulations (slightly tardy) to the Tommies, too!
I ended up seeing their last four games : a grinding-type win vs Tufts, an impressive toppling of Calvin, the loss to IWU (no shame in losing to the champs) and the spirited win over Amherst.
I appreciated the Tommies' boundless energy and enthusiasm. They are a fun bunch to watch play. A very good core of players returns for them next year (to the dismay of conference opponents?), but some fine players are graduating (good luck to them in whatever endeavors they'll pursue).
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on November 13, 2012, 03:17:29 PM
major news from Cretin & Summit....Channel 45 to air live 4 UST games this winter

http://www.tommiesports.com/mbb/news/TVpilot_11-12.html

The CSB @ UST game will be on the air!
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 14, 2012, 07:49:18 AM
Well, here we go.  I've given this a lot of thought over the last several weeks and also wanted to see what some other thoughts were before I went and just put something out there.  So here's my thoughts on how things will shake out this year.




Hands Down Favorite




1.  UST - How can you NOT go with this squad?  Other than losing the MIAC's 3-point shooting Queen in Ali Johnson and trusty guard Carolyn Dienhart along with do it all post Sarah Smith the Tommies have an abundance of talent coming back; notably all-world Taylor Young and the MIAC's premier post player in Maggie Weiers.  And not only that, they have some great up and coming players in Kelly Brandenburg and former Eastview standout Jen Dockter.  Perhaps the only thing different about this year's version is that they may not be infalliable as they were last year; asking them to go undefeated in the MIAC two years in a row may be a bridge too far.  And let's also not forget that the Tommies get their mettle tested early - like this upcoming weekend - when they travel to Decatur, Illinois to take part in the Coaches vs Cancer Classic and take on preseason #1 Calvin on Friday night and then turn around and take on perennial powerhouse host Millikin.  A week later, the Tommies then host WIAC favorite UW-Stevens Point.  It's quite possible that a great team like UST could have a couple of dents in its record by the time they delve into MIAC play.







The Title Challengers




2.  St. Olaf - Last year was something of a disappointment for the Oles as they showed potential from time to time but could turn around the next night and be wildly inconsistent and lose to the Detroit Lions of the hoops world.  But the difference with this year's squad is that Head Coach Dave Stromme finally has depth at pretty much every position - a luxury he didn't enjoy last year.  It's young depth but it's depth nonetheless.  They've got a fantastic front line consisting of junior Elise Raney, senior Erin Haglund and sophomore Nikki Frogner who hails from Providence Academy.  Sophomore Maddie Ehrich is now finally healthy again and senior Ashley Menzel and junior Brit Webber should be fully healthy soon.  Stromme also has the best point guard in the conference, IMHO, in Mackenzie Wolter.  Unfortunately, Wolter may be out for an undetermined amount of time with an injury and this may be where all that young depth has to step up in a hurry.  Presumably freshman Lauren Gutierrez will fall into that spot.  In any event, if there was ever a year where St. Olaf had a legitimate shot of winning the title, this year would have to be it.




3.  Concordia - The Cobbers were probably one of the more under appreciated teams last year as they quietly went on a run late in the year before bowing to GAC in the MIAC playoff semifinals.  Given how incredibly steady and consisten they are and with the returners they have coming back; not to mention one of the best coaches in the conference in Jessica Rahman, this squad will be that much better this year and have a shot to unseat UST as well.  Seniors Tricia Sorensen and Emily Thesing have a knack for being in the right place at the right time (they learned well from their predecessors) and 6'4" post Alexandra Lippert is now a seasoned junior.   







Solid Playoff Contenders




4.  SMU - I have to admit that I really didn't know this team that well and only got to see them play once - when they upset St. Olaf in Northfield in the first round of the MIAC playoffs before bowing to UST.  They have one of the top post players in the conference in junior Courtney Euerle and a very versatile player in senior Jamie Stefely along with solid guard play led by fellow senior Jessica Thone.  They surprised a lot of people last year (including yours truly) in getting to the MIAC playoffs and now that they've done that they certainly have bigger and loftier goals for this season.  I don't think that they're quite on the same level as either St. Olaf or Concordia; much less UST but they should be at least marginally better than what they were a year ago.




5.  GAC - It's a new era in St. Peter as Laurie Kelly assumes the head coaching position that was held by Mickey Haller for 10+ seasons.  This is a team that also lost the best point guard in the conference last year in Colleen Ruane along with Molly Geske and defensive specialist Ava Perry so there are some HUGE holes to fill here.  The point guard spot will likely be inherited by senior Steph Comer who I felt slowly started coming into her own last season.  There are plenty of other bright spots for the Gusties as well - senior post Abby Rothenbuehler and fellow senior Kelsey Florian along with junior three-point bomber Julia Dysthe and freshman sensation Lindsey Johnson.  The big question for the Gusties is transitioning into a new system and how well they adapt.  This should be a squad that is definitely good enough to at least get to the MIAC playoffs.  Beyond that, I just don't know.




6.  CSB - The Blazers are arguably one of the great unknowns to me and arguably to perhaps others as well.  I simply don't know very much about this team other than they return seniors Whitney Canton, Morgan Dale and Jamie Wollin.  This is a program that slipped badly a year ago and never could find any degree of consistency to get into that upper echelon where they normally find themselves.  But, credit longtime Head Coach Mike Durbin for going out and hitting the recruiting trail HARD.  Just looking at their roster has to make one salivate at what the future holds:  6'6" Sydney Hughes out of Olympia, Washington and 6'1" Sarah Berbos out of Fullerton, California; two lanky freshmen that highlight an impressive list of up and comers for the Blazers.  This year may again be more of a learning year for this young team but they should be good enough to be in the playoff hunt and after that - LOOK OUT!!







Challenging For That Coveted Sixth Spot




7.  Bethel - It's not easy to have to replace the MIAC's Player of The Year in Taylor Sheley but that's exactly what Head Coach Jon Herbrechtsmeyer has to do.  Truth is, you can't really "replace" someone like Sheley who, in many ways, helped the Royals get back to back playoff berths single-handedly with her scoring ability.  You just have to make the moving parts you do have work.  And the Royals do have some very good moving parts beginning with senior Kelly Swenson who can be one of the dominant defensive players in the conference.  She does have the ability to score as well and this year she needs to assert herself from an offensive standpoint.  Also back is senior guard/forward Alicia Montbriand who has the ability to light things up from downtown along with capable junior Nicole Berscheid.  Bethel's margin for error is much smaller than what it was last year and they have to avoid that Chicago Cub-like January swoon that could kill their chances.




8.  Hamline - Granted, I've had some of my fantasy football teams go totally club med on me in years past but what happened at Hamline last year was utterly ridiculous as Head Coach Kerri Stockwell had to use bubble gum and baling wire just to keep her team intact through all the injuries they suffered last year.  Despite losing post Steph Rice to graduation they still have a solid nucleus of returnees highlighted by senior three-point specialist Steph Pilgrim and senior forward Cassidy Vogt coming off an ACL injury back in January.  Sophomore standout Jordan Sammons without question is one of the top athletes in the conference and can be a fantastic playmaker at any given moment.  This is an incredibly athletic, fast squad although not one of the bigger squads in the conference.  Needless to say, they have to keep their key cogs healthy at all times as depth could be an issue here as the season rolls along.




9.  Macalester - I've learned over the years to never, NEVER underestimate an Ellen Thompson-coached squad.  Even when she loses a great senior class from last season that included the three-point terrorist twin sister act of Jessica and Shannone Rene.  Still, the Scots got a huge get from transfer post player Veronika Jakubovie that definitely filled a hole at that position.  The roster at first glance may not look like much but one player to keep your eye on this year is junior Carmen Whitehead who has impressed yours truly in early season scrimmages.  Also, senior point guard Kyanna Jones is one of the most dangerous backcourt players you'll find in the MIAC.  They'll definitely have the ability to spoil some team's big dreams.







The Rest Of The Bunch




10.  Augsburg - The Auggies were a big surprise last year as well and some key losses late in they year kept this squad out of the MIAC playoffs.  Despite losing seniors Serenae Levine, Brittany Dyshaw and Lexi Thompson, Head Coach Bill McKee does have a solid enough group coming back highlighted by senior forward Brittany Zins.  Last year at this time I had no idea what to think of this group and I find myself in the same quandry this time around as well. 




11.  Carleton - In some ways, I feel like I should have this squad higher than in the eleventh spot but, just like CSB, they are one of the great unknowns to me as I did not get to see this team play at all last year.  When I got to visit with Head Coach Cassie Kosiba recently she seemed cautiously optimistic about her team's outlook for this season.  And, why not?  Despite struggling record-wise last year, this squad does have some players that make you stand up and take notice - particularly senior Akemi Arzouman and sophomore Skylar Tsutsui.  I don't know if this squad is really ready to take the next step; i.e., contending for a MIAC playoff spot, but they should definitely be better this time around.




12.  St. Kate's - The Wildcats also usher in a new era as well as new Head Coach Sean Pinkerton takes the reigns from Gary Rufsvold who stepped aside this last summer.  This is still a very young team with not one senior on the roster.  While not much may be expected of this year's edition of the Wildcats, they historically have not been the kind of team to simply go quietly in the night as they have been very scrappy at times and have given the best of teams fits.  The 'Cats will be led by sophomore Sarina Baker and junior Kristen Lee who can light it up from downtown.  A healthy Madison Pertler also returns as well and sophomore Sarah Mong looks to hold down the post spot this year. 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 16, 2012, 11:51:29 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran 58
Hamline 53

Final

Hamline led for most of the game from 4-11 points in the first half. As did WLC's shooting in the first half the shooting for Hamline went ice cold down the stretch (Though sank two three's to make things interesting at the end). WLC iced the game on FT's. Hamline is a scrappy defensive team and should make things interesting in the MIAC this season. Hamline plays UW-Stout in the consolation game at 1 PM tomorrow at Wisconsin Lutheran College.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on November 18, 2012, 02:09:36 AM
CONGRATS TO UST'S VOLLEYBALL TEAM ON THE MIAC'S FIRST-EVER NATIONAL VB TITLE!!! A THRILLING 3-2 COME-FROM-BEHIND WIN OVER #1 CALVIN
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: bballfan13 on January 02, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
Anyone know why Taylor Young is not playing for St. Thomas?  Do you know when she will return?  Also, any news on Maggie Weiers injury and when she will return?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 03, 2013, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: bballfan13 on January 02, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
Anyone know why Taylor Young is not playing for St. Thomas?  Do you know when she will return?  Also, any news on Maggie Weiers injury and when she will return?

While Weiers is out for the year (presumably anyway) with her foot injury, it is anticipated that Young SHOULD be back playing for the Tommies sometime this month last I heard.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 07, 2013, 07:58:51 AM
Well, here we are; the first Monday in January 2013 and it's time once again for my weekly MIAC Power Rankings:

1.  UST
2.  GAC
3.  Concordia
4.  SMU
5.  CSB
6.  Hamline
7.  St. Olaf
8.  Macalester
9.  (tie) Carleton & Augsburg
10.  (tie) Bethel & St. Kate's

At this early point in the season, it's difficult to deviate from the actual standings too much.  No surprise to who's still at the top.  But how about GAC sporting a 7-0 conference record so far and 8-2 overall?  I have to admit that even I could not have forseen that one.  Whether GAC can continue on this unexpected run I don't know but I think you have to give first year Head Coach Laurie Kelly a LOT of credit for bringing this squad to where they are right now.  That said, Gusties have two big games coming up this week - tonight at Macalester and then Wednesday night at home against UST.  Gusties found out last year the hard way that they'd better not take Scots for granted in Leonard Center.  And GAC has been UST's little b***h the last few seasons.  Concordia, meanwhile, is still solid; still rolling right along as expected.  SMU, despite taking a hit last Wednesday night at GAC remains in the thick of things.  I give them an edge over CSB at this point anyway.  Hamline is in the sixth spot in my rankings because I can't justify putting St. Olaf over them at this juncture.  I do, however, give the Oles the benefit of the doubt as I have them in the seventh spot as they found a way to overcome a very sluggish start at Bethel on Saturday.  But, as I've said before, their margin for error is practically non-existent at this point and blowing a 27 point second half lead at Concordia last week burned up another one of their lifelines.       
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 14, 2013, 08:11:46 AM
Just getting into mid-January and already we're getting a glimpse of how incredibly crazy this conference can be at times.  Saturday's events obviously shake things up some but I've a feeling this may only be the beginning.

First, before I go too far here I want to offer my sincerest apologies to the Gustavus program for the remark that I made last week.  It was off-color and highly inappropriate and, contrary to what I was trying to convey.  I don't deny that I get a little carried away sometimes with what I say and how I try to say it and I guess this was one of those times.  It should have been done differently.  Lesson learned.  That said, it doesn't change the situation because, in the final analysis, no matter how you twist it or turn it or slice it and dice it, it is what it is and the numbers don't lie.

Moving right along, let's take a look at how things are on this Monday morning....

1.  UST

2.  GAC

3.  SMU

4.  CSB

5.  Concordia

6.  Hamline

7.  Augsburg

8.  St. Olaf

9.  Macalester

10.  Carleton

11.  Bethel

12.  St. Kate's

So, who'd have thunk it?  CSB pulled off the upset of the weekend (maybe of the year) by knocking off big bad UST at home in St. Joe.  Realistically, I think this young Blazer team is probably a year away from seriously contending for the title but Saturday's stunning upset I think gives us the first glimpse of what this team is capable of.  I'll keep UST at the top spot for now by virtue of the 65-43 shellacking they handed the #2 team in the rankings, GAC, at Schoenecker West.....I mean, I mean, Lund Arena, this last Wednesday night.  Now, however, UST finds their lofty spot atop the hill suddenly slippery and they'd better be careful because there's a host of challengers more than happy and ready to replace them.  GAC, as expected, rebounded from Wednesday night's defeat by cruising to an easy win over at St. Kate's on Saturday.  At the moment, they would appear to be the heir apparent to take over the top spot should UST stumble again as they're tied with the Tommies in the actual standings for first place.  SMU took care of business at home over the last couple of outings as expected but, in the other stunner this last weekend Hamline, despite having their bus careen off an icy I-94 on Friday night, got into Moorhead on Saturday and shocked the Cobbers in OT.  This Hamline team may very well be the most dangerous team in the conference right now and when they're hot, look out.  As a result, the Birds move up to #3 while the Corn slides down to #5.

Elsewhere, can ANYONE out there please explain what the deal is with St. Olaf???  Yes, they did win on Saturday but they had to pull off a late run to stave off defeat AT HOME against Augsburg.  Just not very impressive, IMHO, of a team with the kind of talent that they have.  At this juncture, it's difficult for me to envision the Oles overtaking Hamline for that sixth spot UNLESS the Pipers get riddled again with red crosses like they did last year with the injury bug (hmm...a lot like my fantasy football team every year).  I give the Scots the 9th spot for now as I haven't seen Carleton play yet.  Bethel, despite Saturday's loss in Winona, appears to be getting incrementally better with each outing as they picked up their first conference win this last Wednesday night against St. Kate's.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 21, 2013, 08:10:54 AM
Let's see how things look as of this A.M.  Not surprisingly, a few changes are in the offing......


1.  UST

2.  (tie) GAC, Concordia, & CSB

3.  SMU

4.  Hamline

5.  St. Olaf

6.  Carleton

7.  Augsburg

8.  Bethel

9.  Macalester

10.  St. Kate's

Tommies remain in the top spot after convincing victories but this upcoming week will be a huge test as they have roadies at Concordia (tonight 1-21) and then down the River in Winona on Wednesday night.  The Cobbers, meanwhile, got their act together by claiming not only a road win at Bethel but going into St. Peter and pulling off the upset against the Gusties.  A heartbreaker for sure for GAC but they should presumably take care of business this week before another showdown at home with suddenly surging CSB next Saturday.  The Blazers just continue to impress me with strong showings on the road this last week and they should also roll before the showdown with GAC next Saturday.  As such, I've got a three-way logjam in the second spot for the moment.  SMU got a huge scare on Saturday at Augsburg and had to go into an extra session to stave off defeat.  This week will be a huge opportunity for the Cardinals as they have favorable road trips at Hamline and St. Kate's that sandwich the big home game Wednesday night with UST.  I think that, when you take a look at the top five teams in this conference, it just shows you how incredibly strong the MIAC truly is this year.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on January 28, 2013, 08:09:00 AM
(yawn) Just another wild, crazy week in the MIAC.  So, what else is new?  Anyway, here's how things stack up in this Monday morning's MIAC Power Rankings:


1.  Concordia

2.  (tie) CSB & SMU

3.  (tie) UST & GAC

4.  (tie) St. Olaf & Hamline

5.  Augsburg

6.  Carleton

7.  Bethel

8.  Macalester

9.  St. Kate's


The sure and steady Cobbers have suddenly vaulted their way to the top of the rankings by scoring huge wins this last week including the big upset of UST this last Monday night.  While things look favorable for them this week, they do have big road contests looming in the distance at both SMU and CSB.  Speaking of those two, they now find themselves embroiled in a battle for second place (in both rankings AND conference standings) as the Cardinals claimed two road wins at Hamline and St. Kate's that sandwiched the huge win at home vs UST while CSB claimed three wins this last week; highlighted by the thriller in St. Peter against GAC......

Meanwhile, suddenly slumping UST has seen its dreams of easily repeating as MIAC champions go up in flames as they've inexplicably lost four out of their last six.  I don't want to say that the Tommies are suddenly circling the drain but it must feel like it right about now.  Another team that may want to strongly consider breaking out the panic button is GAC as they've now lost three out of their last four games; including heartbreakers at home to both Concordia and CSB just this last Saturday.  Things don't get any easier for the Gusties as they have to travel to Winona on Wednesday night to go up against SMU and then come up to the Cities on Saturday for another tricky contest at Hamline.  Speaking of the Pipers, they've suddenly got on the right track despite dropping a tough game to SMU last week Monday night by getting a big road win at Augsburg and then pulling off the unthinkable by knocking off UST in the Tommies own crib on Saturday.  St. Olaf, which appeared to be on life support just a mere week ago has suddenly righted the ship as well by getting three big wins this last week including the big one at home against GAC last Wednesday night.  IF, if they can stay healthy and get point production from their guards (Mackenzie Wolter, Lauren Gutierrez, and Kim Cerjan) they could be very, very dangerous once the conference playoffs roll around.         
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 04, 2013, 08:28:01 AM
As we head into the home stretch of the regular season, things are beginning to finally shake out - in some cases in a very unexpected way....

1.  Concordia

2.  CSB

3.  SMU

4.  UST

5.  Hamline

6.  (tie) St. Olaf & GAC

7.  Augsburg

8.  Bethel

9.  Carleton

10.  Macalester

11.  St. Kate's

Give props to the Cobbers for enduring road games on back-to-back days - and getting over on both occasions.  As such, they're solidifying their spot at the top of the heap - at least for the time being anyway as CSB continues to nip on their heels.  The Blazers are arguably the hottest team in the conference right now as they've ripped off eight straight wins and logic would suggest they'll make it nine in a row tonight before the big showdown Wednesday night at home against Concordia where they'll have to roll the dice.  SMU, meanwhile, blew a golden opportunity to knock the top dog off of its perch when they lost at home to Concordia yesterday.  Still, at 17-4 overall (14-4 in conference play) they're still in good shape and the only daunting aspect left of the regular season schedule is a return trip to CSB and, you'd have to think that, in a worst-case scenario that they'd be no worse than a #3 seed come playoff time.  UST has at least stopped treading water and now appears to be afloat again but they've still got work ahead of them - a home date with CSB and a roadie down to St. Olaf are still in the offing for them.

The same cannot be said, however, for GAC as they've gone into a total free-fall rivaling the collapse of the Soviet Union and its east European satellite nations; losing five out of their last six games and six out of their last nine.  It's a downfall that, quite frankly, not even I could have ever envisioned happening.  Even more puzzling is the manner in which they're losing games as three of these losses have been by two points or less.  Now comes the $64,000 question:  Can the Gusties SOMEHOW turn this titanic-like season around and salvage something out of it?  (sigh).....I truly don't know....They've got talent certainly and those close games that they've lost would seem to suggest that they COULD anyway and it may also suggest that it may be a confidence factor more than anything.  At the same time, though, when I look at the road ahead for GAC, to say that it's going to be a hard row to hoe would be an understatement.  Road trips to both UST (yeah, yeah I know...We've been over that ad nauseum) and Concordia (gulp) remain and homes games with Macalester, St. Kate's and Carleton are no longer "sure" things.  In the end, I guess only the Gusties themselves can answer that question but I do not like how this is setting up at all for GAC.  Hamline is another team that is on a tear as they've suddenly won four straight and their schedule is a bit more favorable as they've got both St. Olaf and Concordia at home.  The Oles are still clinging to a life-line; they're likely pointing to that showdown at Hamline this coming Wednesday night.     
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 11, 2013, 08:14:48 AM
One more week of the regular season to go and it's a jumbled up mess at the top.....

1.  Concordia

2.  (tie)  SMU & UST

3.  CSB

4.  Hamline

5.  GAC

6.  St. Olaf

7.  (tie) Carleton & Augsburg

8.  Bethel

9.  Macalester

10.  St. Kate's


Cobbers remain atop of the hill for this Monday A.M. despite losing a tough one this last Wednesday night in St. Joe to CSB.  Things could have gone totally kablooey for them but they hunkered down and held off a hot Hamline squad in Hutton Arena on Saturday.  This last week of the regular season LOOKS favorable anyway; with home dates against St. Kate's on Wednesday and then GAC on Saturday to close out the regular season - and then presumably to get the #1 seed in the MIAC playoffs.  SMU, however, is right on their tails as is now suddenly UST which seems to be sailing in the right direction again as they recorded a resounding victory over CSB on Saturday.  As such, I simply felt I had to knock CSB into the third spot on my power rankings as I'm beginning to have serious doubts about if this team is ready (or capable) of pulling off road victories against the upper-echelon teams and they've got another big one on Wednesday night down the River in Winona against SMU.  Hamline had it's six-game joy ride come to an end on Saturday against the Corn but they have a great shot still to nail down that fifth spot as they have Bethel at home on Wednesday night and then a roadie at Carleton on Saturday.  GAC will likely have to settle for the sixth spot as they have to travel up to Moorhead on Saturday to take on the Corn.  St. Olaf's slim (and I mean SLIM) playoff hopes, which were put back on life support this last week, will likely get the plug finally pulled as they have BOTH UST and CSB this coming week.  Ouch.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 17, 2013, 11:38:03 AM
With the MIAC playoffs looming in a couple of days, I thought this A.M. might be a very good time to bang out the last power rankings for this season.

1.  Concordia

2.  (tie)  SMU & UST

3.  CSB

4.  Hamline

5.  GAC

6.  St. Olaf

7.  Augsburg

8.  Bethel

9.  Carleton

10.  Macalester

11.  St. Kate's


Congrats to the Corn on winning the MIAC regular season title and locking up the #1 seed in the MIAC playoffs this week.  They survived the brutal MIAC regular season with the fewest nicks.  Both SMU and UST are right up there as well and I think you have to give UST a lot of credit for turning things around when they went through a rough stretch not so long ago.  CSB has leveled off a little bit but this is a young team with a bright future ahead of it.  Hamline has a knack for living dangerously - and they survived two huge challenges this last week.  GAC had to work hard to hold off Carleton at home and then, somewhat predictably fell to the Corn up in Moorhead yesterday. 

Without question the most confounding team this year was St. Olaf which had so much hope, potential and promise at the beginning of the year only to have injuries and other misfortunes doom this talented group.  Yesterday's loss at CSB in which they blew an 18-point halftime lead really was the season in a nutshell for this program and I can't help but feel badly for seniors Mackenzie Wolter, Erin Haglund, (C'mon) Eileen O'Donoghue, and Ashley Menzel who had set lofty goals at the beginning of this year.  Augsburg never was consistent enough to put together a stretch run despite the talent it has.  Bethel will be a team to keep your eye on in the next couple of years as this young group gains experience as the Royals have a bevy of talent.  Carleton, Macalester and St. Kate's are all going through a lot of growing pains right now and can only go up. 

Tuesday A.M. I'll handicap the MIAC playoffs and see if I can shed some light on who might emerge from the battles to claim the MIAC Championship game - and the automatic bid to the Big Dance.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: SUMMIT!!!!! on February 18, 2013, 08:01:20 PM
not to be nitpicky LA, but if two teams are tied for 2nd, the next team in rankings behind them is 4th not 3rd  :)
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 19, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
Oh yeah, that time of the year again to try and break down the MIAC Playoffs in what has been an incredibly unpredictable year.....Let's see I can make some sense out of all this and try and predict what MAY happen.


6.  GAC - This has been arguably a trying season under new Head Coach Laurie Kelly that saw the Gusties bolt out to a good start only to have the bottom almost fall out come mid/late January.  The tailspin this squad endured makes me hesitant to even think that they would even have a remote chance of doing the unthinkable.  But the Gusties do have one element in their favor that some of the other teams in this mix don't have - experience.  Seniors Abby Rothenbuehler, Kelsey Florian and Steph Comer have all been in these battles in past seasons and know what it takes to win these games.  Junior Julia Dysthie can be one of the most dangerous players out there and can be deadly behind the arc.  But if the Gusties are going to do this, they're going to have to do it the hard way - on the road.

Sure sign of trouble - If the turnovers start piling up early on and Rothenbuehler gets into foul trouble before halftime.



5.  Hamline - This wildly unpredictable team has been one of the toughest puzzles to try and figure out this season and it's equally difficult to predict their chances beginning with tonight up at CSB.  Yet if there's a longshot in this mix that can pull this off and shock the world in the process it's this group.  There is simply no other team in the conference that possesses the kind of speed and athleticism they have and it's little wonder that a lot of teams hate having to play Hamline.  They also have a trio of seniors who can light it up behind the arc as well; Steph Pilgrm, Cassidy Vogt and Kara Poirer.  They are not a "big" team by any means and depth can be an issue for this squad.  Yet, given their body of work during the regular season (road wins at both Concordia and UST) I can't put it completely past them to pull this off.

Sure sign of trouble - If the "3's" aren't falling and they are forced to play a slower-tempo halfcourt game where they get beat up in the paint.



4.  CSB - The Blazers were aruably the hottest team in the conference not long ago; ripping off ten straight wins in a period from mid-January to early February; capped off by the big home win against Concordia.  They then leveled off somewhat; dropping two straight before rallying at home in the regular season finale vs St. Olaf.  This is a relatively young team but it does have two seniors who are leading the way nicely for Mike Durbin's squad - Whitney Canton and Morgan Dale.  While this team has a lot of potential for the future, I think it's probably a bridge too far for this team to win it all and the late road losses to both UST and SMU I think reflect my cautious approach with this group.

Sure sign of trouble - If they start getting beat at the post position (especially now w/o Hylla) and Canton and the Lueck Sisters can't bail them out behind the arc.



3.  SMU - Clearly one of the more pleasant surprises in this conference has been the emergence of former Cobber great Mandy Pearson's squad into one of the upper echelon teams in the MIAC.  I only got to see them play once this season but was very impressed with what I saw.  They have a great scorer from the outside in Jessica Thone and a dual big threat in both senior Jamie Stefely and junior post Courtney Euerle plus a very underrated player, IMHO, in Octavia Brown.  Plus, you really have to like their body of work as well (18-4 conference, 21-4 overall) which SHOULD be good enough to get them into the Big Dance if they can manage to get past GAC tonight at home in Winona.  I do have a bit of concern wrt their lack of experience in the MIAC playoffs despite their win at St. Olaf last year before falling to UST but this is a team that definitely can pull it off if everything fall into place for them just right.


Sure sign of trouble - If Euerle gets bottled up down low and Thone is unable to come to the rescue behind the arc.



2.  UST - You had to wonder at one point in the season when the Tommies suddenly lost four out of six games in January if their aura of invincibility had finally dried up and if they were now mortal like the rest of us.  Well, Ruth Sinn's squad proved that they could not only recover despite the inuries and other off-court happenings that tried this squad mightily but also look as good as ever in the latter stages of the regular season.  Taylor Young LOOKS to be 100% right now and Anna Smith has done well in filling in for Maggie Weiers who was lost in the second game of the season to injury.  The Tommies have also had a lot of young players step up this year as well.  The bottom line here is that this team made a serious run to the whole ball of wax last year (probably should have won it) and they will be awfully tough for anyone to knock off whether it's at Schoenecker Arena or on the road.

Sure sign of trouble - If Young or Kellie Ring should be victim to a freak injury.  The Tommies NEED those two.  It's as simple as that.



1.  Concordia - Am not at all surprised to see Jessica Rahman's squad in this spot as they ALWAYS seem to be in the thick of things in one way or another this time of the year.  Having the #1 seed is a bit of a change but if there's one team that can handle it, it's these guys.  They're not particularly flashy and they won't necessarily "wow" you with anything they do out there.  They're just coldly and brutally efficient.  At the same time, this paradoxically seems to be their undoing on the national stage as they haven't been past the first round in the NCAA Tournament yet in trips to both Wisconsin and Iowa in recent years.  Still, I really like the core of this squad; seniors Emily Thesing and Tricia Sorensen and sophomore sharpshooter Alley Fisher and having the odds being on your side give this team the inside track to repeat their feat from two years ago.

Sure sign of trouble - If Lippert gets into early foul trouble the burden down low will fall on reserve junior Kelsey Walloch.  And Fisher and Thesing have to keep defenses honest by hitting enough treys as well. 



Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 25, 2013, 11:09:59 AM
Hard to believe but here we are again.  The close of yet another regular season and the MIAC Playoffs that saw UST repeating as champs in a year where everything did not necessarily go smoothly for them.  Yet when the chips were down, they found a way to battle back and find themselves again and, just as important, get their mojo back as well.  But let's also give some props to both Concordia and SMU as well.  The Cobbers got the regular season title and got to host the MIAC Championsship Game for the first time since 2006.  It's obviously disappointing for them not being able to close the deal but they have a lot to be proud of this year.  And how about SMU down in Winona.  Winning a season high of 22 games and fnishing tied for second with UST in the conference standings.  They have definitely set the bar much higher there and I think they'll be one of the upper echelon teams in the MIAC now.

That said, how does all this parlay out in the big scheme of things; particularly on Selection Monday?  It's difficult to tell, but I feel quite confident that the MIAC will get at least two bids this time around after being consistently short-changed by the mindless nimrods at the NCAA Selection Committee.  There's just simply no, no way, that the MIAC doesn't get two bids this time around.  I think things played out well enough around the West Region that makes this possible.  I'd also like to think that there might be a miracle out there that would allow SMU to sneak into the dance as well.  They're deserving of it and, while their body of work may work against them, their 22 wins can't be ignored either; especially in a conference as tough as the MIAC is from top to bottom.  So, let's look at the prospects for the MIAC's best hopes:


UST - They can relax and enjoy the day today knowing that they're in with the AQ as MIAC Playoff Champions.  The big question for them now is where are they going to be sent?  It's unlikely, IMHO, that they'd get to host a Regional pod with Simpson winning the IIAC Championship Game and with a 24-1 Cornell team winning the MWC Championship Game as well.  So the guess here is that they'll get sent to either Simpson (located in Indianola which is not that far from Des Moines) or possibly to Cornell (located in Mt. Vernon which is just a hop, skip and a jump away from Cedar Rapids on U.S. Highway 30 and the Union Pacific's "Overland Route" mainline).  Personally, I'd like to see the Tommies shipped down to Mt. Vernon as it's a much better trip down there than it would be to Indianola and I would like the Tommies chances of making a deep run much better there than I ever would at Simpson.


Concordia - You know they'll be on pins and needles up in Moorhead today but it's just incredibly difficult for me to envision a scenario in which they get left out.  With a 21-5 overall record and their body of work which includes a MIAC regular season title, it would be incredibly outrageous if they get the shaft here.  Their opening season loss to UM-Morris hurts but that shouldn't be enough to damage the other good things they've done.  Assuming they get in (they bloody well better) I'm guessing that they'll get shipped out west to either Cal Lutheran or perhaps Lewis & Clark (despite their loss in the NWC Championship Game).  It would be a bonus for them to get sent to either of the possible Iowa destinations or perhaps over to UW-Stevens Point but I don't see it playing out like that.


SMU - They're a longshot here (and even they know that as well).  Still, they're deserving of an invite to the dance and I would love this for seniors Jessica Thone and Jamie Stefely to get one more shot.  IF, if they somehow garner an invite, they'll get sent over to UW-Stevens Point or to one of the Iowa destinations.  Let's hope they have a reason to celebrate over at the Chula Vista restaurant in Winona tonight!     


UPDATE - D3 Hoops' Pat Coleman has Concordia in - barely (!) - but in nonetheless!  Even more interesting is that they have the Cobbers headed to Mt. Vernon to take in UW-Whitewater in a VERY intriguing 1st round match-up and instead have St. Scholastica headed out west.  Hmmm...Well, in any event we'll find out at 1:30 this afternoon how this is all going to shake out! 
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: stormyfuture on March 02, 2013, 10:02:44 AM
congrats to the Tommies for pulling out the win against Calvin last night.  Looking forward to watching both the Men's and Women's teams in action tonight
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gordonmann on March 16, 2013, 04:17:05 PM
We've released our list of All-Americans. Congratulations to Rachel Parupsky who is our national Rookie of the Year.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/03/womens-all-americans
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: nkwest on February 23, 2015, 12:27:51 PM
Congratulations to the Tommies for completing just the third unbeaten regular season in MIAC history, and the first in 23 years. They did so without really being seriously challenged for 40 minutes until recently visiting an extremely capable Bethel squad, who UST didn't play in the first half of the season due to the experimental new schedule allowing for more non-conference games. It should be an interesting postseason.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: nkwest on February 25, 2015, 11:34:54 AM
Congratulations to the Auggies for winning their first MIAC playoff game in school history, and in doing so also setting a school record for victories in a single season.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: nkwest on March 03, 2015, 08:40:42 AM
Great video of the Bethel squad reacting to a well-earned at large bid: http://athletics.bethel.edu/news/2015/3/2/WBB_0302155445.aspx
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2015, 05:46:30 PM
The basketball season has started for most. Quirky schedules means some have not hit the hardwood as of yet. Tonight, Dave will talk to some who have started, some who have not, and some who are still getting used to new coaches.

Hoopsville new early season Sunday shows debuts tonight at 7 PM ET! You can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/nov15 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/nov15)

Guests tonight include:
- Matt Logie, #3 Whitworth men
- Joe Riverso, Augsburg women
- Rich Micallef, Brooklyn men
- Kenrda Hassell, #21 Texas-Tyler women
- Ryan Whitnable, Great Lakes Region Reporter

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Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2016, 02:44:31 PM
Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/

Where'd everyone go on this board?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 05:36:29 PM
It might be a holiday for those romantically inclined, but it is also getting down to the end of the Division III basketball season. Just two weeks remain between now and the end of the regular season and nothing has been determined.

On Sunday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh will talk to some teams who have emerged from no where to be in a position to surprise when their conference tournaments begin. McHugh also talks to a few teams who can't seem to be knocked off their conference pedestal, but still feel they have something to prove. And the hectic schedule of conference travel can take it's toll.

Sunday's show start at 7:00 pm ET and promises to go well into overtime. You can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb14

Guests included (in order of appearance):
- Tara Macciocco, Marywood women's coach
- Dr. George Barber, Greenville men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 8 St. Thomas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Rusty Eggen, Northeast Region Report, WPI Sports Information Director
- Angela Santa Fe, Regis (Mass.) women's coach
- Andy Partee, Colorado College men's coach

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Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 17, 2017, 07:51:07 AM
Don't follow the men's as closely as the women's.... what are the chances BU gets a Pool C birth?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 17, 2017, 07:51:07 AM
Don't follow the men's as closely as the women's.... what are the chances BU gets a Pool C birth?

They are in an interesting area of the West rankings. I could see them getting to the board or I could see them never getting there. So bubble seems right, maybe on the outside, but I rather see next week's rankings to know. Teams around them are playing each other twice in the next two weeks plus other results.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 27, 2017, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 17, 2017, 07:51:07 AM
Don't follow the men's as closely as the women's.... what are the chances BU gets a Pool C birth?

They are in an interesting area of the West rankings. I could see them getting to the board or I could see them never getting there. So bubble seems right, maybe on the outside, but I rather see next week's rankings to know. Teams around them are playing each other twice in the next two weeks plus other results.

Looks like that is a no... You probably referenced this somewhere but I don't take as much time following women's..  :'( What was holding the Royals back?
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 12:21:23 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 27, 2017, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 17, 2017, 07:51:07 AM
Don't follow the men's as closely as the women's.... what are the chances BU gets a Pool C birth?

They are in an interesting area of the West rankings. I could see them getting to the board or I could see them never getting there. So bubble seems right, maybe on the outside, but I rather see next week's rankings to know. Teams around them are playing each other twice in the next two weeks plus other results.

Looks like that is a no... You probably referenced this somewhere but I don't take as much time following women's..  :'( What was holding the Royals back?

They basically don't have any quality wins to hang a hat on...
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: PurpleReign on March 01, 2017, 11:38:01 PM
Best of luck to the Tommies - talented and deep squad.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 06:46:04 PM
The Division III NCAA tournaments have already seen their fair share of twists and turns. Both defending champions eliminated on the opening night, several home teams beaten, off-the-radar squads tearing Top 10 teams apart, and much more.

It has been an exciting start. What's next?

Can the home teams parlay a perceived advantage into a Championship Weekend appearence? What Cinderalla team will hear the chimes of midnight? What program will continue to make history? How will the battle of Top 25 teams shake out? And will a storied career end this weekend or in Salem?

There is plenty to talk about ahead of the Sectional Weekend and Dave McHugh has a super-sized list of guests on Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com).

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE staring at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/mar9 --- or via the Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) simulcast. If you missed any part of the show, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcast.

Despite the large list of guests, Dave will find time to answer questions as well. Make sure to email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or tweet them and Dave will answer them on air.

Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- Brian Morehouse, No. 18 Hope women's coach
- Trevor Woodruff, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
- Craig Carse, Hardin-Simmons men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 2 St. Thomas women's coach
- Michelle Ferenz, No. 16 Whitman women's coach
- Kevin App, Williams men's coach
- Grey Giovanine, Augustana men's coach

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Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2018, 03:53:56 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with the St Catherine's community.

I am sorry to hear of the damage and the losses.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/01/minnesota-woman-strikes-st-kates.php
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2018, 05:38:56 PM
Insane story... but lots of things these days would arguably be insane.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:41:07 PM
Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Rofrog on February 07, 2018, 09:48:31 PM
 Watching Augsburg/St Thomas going to overtime did the coach have a time out in regulation?If so why didn't he advance the ball after St Thomas tied it.Thanks for info
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 07, 2018, 09:48:31 PM
Watching Augsburg/St Thomas going to overtime did the coach have a time out in regulation?If so why didn't he advance the ball after St Thomas tied it.Thanks for info

Each team gets an additional timeout for OT.

And ask the coach. Not all coaches want to advance the ball. The Chicago Bulls were famous for not advancing the ball and running the entire 94-feet during their Michael Jordan hey-day. There are plenty of other examples as well.
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 03:08:33 PM
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:59:34 PM
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2018, 06:00:35 PM
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With so much parity, especially in men's basketball, unexpected outcomes where to be ... expected. However, that doesn't prepare anyone for the number of upsets, who was upset, and how.

Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to breakdown the opening weekend not only looking back at some of the crazier finishes, but also talking to programs who escaped the wrath. Programs who are dancing on to the second weekend and hoping to punch their ticket to a championship weekend.

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Guests in order of appearance (subject to change):
- Chuck McBreen, Ramapo men's coach
- Jason Zimmerman, No. 6 Emory men's coach
- Larry Anderson, MIT men's coach
- Bill Broderick, No. 18 Christopher Newport women's coach
- Laurie Kelly, Gustavus Adolphus women's coach
- Carla Berube, No. 8 Tufts women's coach

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Title: Re: MIAC
Post by: gordonmann on March 05, 2018, 04:35:54 PM
Looking forward to getting off the east coast of the Division III landscape and covering the games at Wartburg's sectional this weekend. If there are any fans from St. Thomas who want to stop by and say hello, please do.
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2018, 04:06:52 PM
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The season is kind of, sort of, possibly underway in Division III. With the earlier start being decided less than ten months prior, not every program was able to take advantage of the new date. There are still teams who haven't tipped off their seasons while others have already played two or three games this season.

That doesn't mean we can't find topics to talk about on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com)!

Sunday, Dave is back live in studio with plenty of DIII conversation. Plus coaches talk about (high) expectations and being in charge of a program for the first time. Can St. Thomas women take the next step as a program? How will MIT's season be engineered? And from All-American to head coach, what it's like to take over a program for the first time.

Plus, the winningest men's coach in Division III history will not start the season on the bench. More on what has lead Glenn Robinson to take a medical leave of absence.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. Sunday's show will hit the air at 7:00 p.m. ET and be watched here: http://bit.ly/2PPm16G. If you miss the show, you can always watch it On Demand. An audio-only podcast will also be available on the right side of the page (available shortly after the show goes off air).

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Guests Scheduled (order subject to change):
- Larry Anderson, No. 5 MIT men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 5 St. Thomas women's head coach
- Mike McGarvey, Lycoming men's coach

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Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 02:43:27 PM
First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:57:06 PM
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:05:33 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 08, 2019, 11:28:10 PM
Congraulations Lady Thommies! Great win over Amherst Good game tomorrow vs Warburg! Good luck!
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
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The final fours are set! Eight of the best men's and women's teams remain to battle it out for two national titles. On the women's side, many of those expected to make it to Salem. On the men's side, none of the top four powers will be in Fort Wayne.

Sunday on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave takes a look at both a record breaking performance on the men's side and chats with the four teams dancing on the women's side. (Due to the extensive coverage in Fort Wayne at the men's championship weekend, Sunday's show will have more women's coverage than men's.) How one man put up 62-points in a game and has already shattered the single-tournament scoring record. And how the four hosts on the women's side survived their weekends to advance.

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Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Aston Francis, Wheaton (Ill.) senior guard
- Jeff Hans, No. 1 Thomas More women's coach
- Adrienne Schibles, No. 3 Bowdoin women's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 2 St. Thomas women's coach
- Bridgette Mann, No. 9 Scranton senior guard
- Carey Harveycutter, City of Salem (Vir.)

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Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 11, 2019, 10:37:20 AM
Congrats St Thomas! I was surprised you beat Wartburg by so much! How do you match up with Thomas Moore ?
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 12, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
TO ST Thomas fans: discussion about you and TM on WIAC  page!
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2019, 08:34:45 PM
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What a start to the 2019-20 season! As we head into the holidays "break," there is a lot to talk about. We don't have enough time in a show to cover it all, but we will do our best.

Tune into Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) Thursday night as Dave is joined not only by a couple of coaches who have their programs humming along, but also three of the show's best prognosticators who will open up a few Christmas gifts for Division III fans.

Marietta men are once again playing very well in the first half of the season, but do you know why the Pioneers are this good? Jon VanderWal gives us some insight of what is going on in Southern Ohio. Plus, the Augsburg women are one of four MIAC teams ranked in the Top 25 this past week. The Auggies are coming off an unprecedented win over St. Thomas (Minn.) as well. Ted Riverso discusses how it is the perfect bow before their three-week break.

Plus, Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott give us their individual takes on the first part of the season and what they expect in the final two months. And Gordon Mann gives us his exceptional takes on the women's side of the ledger. Who really are the best teams in the country and who should we be watching?

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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Bob Quillman, Hoopsville contributor
- Jon VanderWal, No. 6 Marietta men's head coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Around the Nation columnist
- Ted Riverso, No. 16 Augsburg women's head coach
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor

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Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2020, 06:20:51 AM
The Bethel vs Augsburg women's game from a few weeks ago was archived, and I was able to watch it this week.  I echo a lot of sentiments that the Augsburg camera operator needed to do a better job, especially in filming the last five minutes of the game.  Fortunately, the commentator gave a good account of the game throughout.

As far as Bethel goes, Bethel seems to have a clear path to 21-0, 16-0 in the MIAC before their next major test on February 12 at St Thomas.  (Bethel has only one scheduled regular season game against the Tommies before the MIAC ournament.). We will see.

Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2020, 09:10:16 AM
It looks like I will have to try to watch the Bethel at Hamline game from yesterday, as Hamline played a very competitive game before Bethel got the 79-75 win.  The archive is up on the MIAC Stretch Internet app for watching on Roku TV.
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 09:20:12 PM
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Time for a marathon!

Thursday, Hoopsville will be on the air for at least nine hours in the 7th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

This year's show will feature coaches, administrators, and many others around Division III to give us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there is plenty to talk about.

For more information about the show and its impact, click here.

The show's guest list is below with a rough idea of when they were scheduled to appear during the live show.

The marathon is also a chance to fundraise of the show. Many fans of Hoopsville ask often how they can give to the program so we can continue doing our work into the future. In the first few years of the Marathon, the fundraising side was an important aspect. However in the last few years, we have shyed away from fundraising as we tried to find other means to financially run the program. After requests from many, we are do have a few ways fans can contribute.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the entire Marathon show LIVE in the video player above. We will effort to turn around podcast episodes of the entire show. They will be available to the right (after the show is off the air).

Guests appear on the Hoopsville Hotline presented by BlueFrame Technology.

And don't forget to interact with the Dave and guests. You can use the social media option to the right and even email (dave.mchugh@d3sports.com) questions to the show.


When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.

Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.

Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's Marathon Show in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2GBqAuZ (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/marathon)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel

All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.

If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options.

Hoopsville Marathon Schedule
Timing approximate and subject to change

























Time (ET)GuestSchool/Institution
12:20 p.m.Jim CalhounSt. Joseph's (Conn.) men's coach
12:40 p.m.Pat JuckemNo. 11 WashU men's coach
1:00 p.m.Brian MorehouseNo. 3 Hope women's coach
1:20 p.m.Lauren BusalacchiRipon women's coach
1:40 p.m.Ryan HylandJohn Jay men's coach
2:00 p.m.Dan DutcherNCAA VP for Division III
2:40 p.m.Karin HarveyMontclair State women's coach, Women's National Committee chair
3:00 p.m.Adrienne ShiblesNo. 2 Bowdoin women's coach
3:20 p.m.Kate PearsonCabrini women's coach
3:40 p.m.Matt GilbrideRPI men's coach
4:00 p.m.Sam AtkinsonGallaudet Associate AD for Comm., Men's National Committee Chair
4:20 p.m.Matt DonahueCatholic women's coach
4:40 p.m.Charles KatsiaficasPomona-Pitzer men's coach
5:00 p.m.Jon HerbrechtsmeyerNo. 5 Bethel women's coach
5:20 p.m.Chris CarideoWidener men's coach
5:40 p.m.Dave HixonAmherst men's coach (sabbatical)
6:00 p.m.Tricia CullopWBCA Board President, Toledo women's coach
6:20 p.m.Alex RicheyNo. 18 Oglethorpe women's coach
6:40 p.m.Jody MayAlbion men's coach
7:00 p.m.Dave MacedoNo. 18 Virginia Wesleyan men's coach
7:20 p.m.Melissa KuberkaSt. John Fisher women's coach
8:00 p.m.HOOPSVILLE HAPPY HOUR A gaggle of some of the shows friends - to be announced
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 09, 2020, 12:38:06 AM
No one expected 2-18 St. Mary's to hand Bethel its first loss of the season (except maybe St. Mary's themselves)!  What a shocker, congrats to St. Mary's.

Thanks to d3hoops.com on the breaking news.
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 09:54:37 AM
looking at box and recap, St Mary's led entire game and it was not really close (9 pts at some junctions).  I see a big tumble for Bethel.
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:31:38 PM
Women's first Regional Rankings released.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 08:26:27 AM
Bethel is ranked at #11 in the D3Hoops.com Top 25 due to their loss at St.Mary's.  Before the win vs Bethel, St.Mary's had only gone 2-0 vs last place team MacAlester.  Since the Bethel win, St. Mary's got another win vs Hamline.

Bethel needs to get into the NCAAs and win some games to get back in the top 5, IMO.

Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2020, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 08:26:27 AM
Bethel is ranked at #11 in the D3Hoops.com Top 25 due to their loss at St.Mary's.  Before the win vs Bethel, St.Mary's had only gone 2-0 vs last place team MacAlester.  Since the Bethel win, St. Mary's got another win vs Hamline.

Bethel needs to get into the NCAAs and win some games to get back in the top 5, IMO.

Someone has been reading Twitter ...
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2020, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 08:26:27 AM
Bethel is ranked at #11 in the D3Hoops.com Top 25 due to their loss at St.Mary's.  Before the win vs Bethel, St.Mary's had only gone 2-0 vs last place team MacAlester.  Since the Bethel win, St. Mary's got another win vs Hamline.

Bethel needs to get into the NCAAs and win some games to get back in the top 5, IMO.

Someone has been reading Twitter ...

Maybe..... or maybe I have watching Hoopsville a lot. 😊
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2020, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 08:26:27 AM
Bethel is ranked at #11 in the D3Hoops.com Top 25 due to their loss at St.Mary's.  Before the win vs Bethel, St.Mary's had only gone 2-0 vs last place team MacAlester.  Since the Bethel win, St. Mary's got another win vs Hamline.

Bethel needs to get into the NCAAs and win some games to get back in the top 5, IMO.

Someone has been reading Twitter ...

Maybe..... or maybe I have watching Hoopsville a lot. 😊

Oh true ... I mentioned that one on the show ... LOL
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jamtod on February 19, 2020, 08:52:24 AM
At this point, I'm assuming Kaia Porter is out for the year for the Tommies?
I wonder how this team would look if she had been available for the year, as I think it's clear she would have been our top player/scorer as a pre-season All-American.
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
Quote from: jamtod on February 19, 2020, 08:52:24 AM
At this point, I'm assuming Kaia Porter is out for the year for the Tommies?
I wonder how this team would look if she had been available for the year, as I think it's clear she would have been our top player/scorer as a pre-season All-American.

She was a preseason all american and she is definitely out for the year.
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:05:26 PM
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2020, 02:19:52 PM
Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 11:18:16 PM
It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  It primarily affects girls (1 in every 10,000 girls develop Rett).  It strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.  It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate. 

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and hopefully there will be basketball to play and broadcast at the start of 2021!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 17, 2021, 03:19:17 PM
WE ARE BACK!!!

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Two years ago DIII was reeling with the news that fellow members of the MIAC had voted, in secret, to oust St. Thomas (Minn.) from the conference. It started a whirlwind of decisions and reactions on the UST campus and throughout the NCAA.

It also created a timeline: In two years time, UST would be leaving the MIAC and ultimately Division III. That meant watching two perennial basketball powers try and leave in style and on their terms. The Coronavirus Pandemic had other plans. Instead of celebrations, conference championships, and even national title chances... things have ended like a leaky ballon - just falling flat.

On the first Hoopsville podcast of the off-season, we chat with the two coaches who have kept their programs in the national conversation year in and year out and will now help them transition to Division I. Ruth Sinn and John Tauer join Dave McHugh to chat about the school and programs' history and love of Division III and how the change to DI will and will not change things.

It is a great conversation with two coaches who will be missed in DIII.

Plus, there are few things to note in the Hoopsville Notebook! Lots of coaching changes and a number of interesting twists with some of the searches. There are new rules that have been adopted for both sports. Plus what to expect from us, as a show, moving forward after taking some much need, and completely unintended, time off.

You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3vzDQYm or https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2020-21/june

Hoopsville broadcasts from the WBCA/NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline. The offseason plan is to do a podcast each month. The shows will be audio-only leading up to the start of the 2021-22 when we will restart the video shows.

If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.

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Title: Re: WBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 26, 2021, 10:53:31 AM
News on a coaching change in the MIAC here:

https://www.miacathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2021-22/releases/20210723azmvun