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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Titan Q on December 15, 2012, 08:58:12 AM
Northwestern (MN) 67
#9 Wheaton 62

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Titan Q

Video for #4 North Central @ their local rival Benedictine...

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/benu.portal#

John Gleich

#6 UWSP takes care of Edgewood 63-48 sans Tyler Tillema.

I didn't listen to the whole broadcast, so I'm not sure if they gave an update on his status (he got hurt right before halftime of the Whitewater game on Wednesday), but I honestly didn't expect him to play tonight, regardless.

Edgewood put up a pretty good fight, it was a 7 point game at the half. The Eagles were sending all 5 guys to the offensive board and UWSP had some early issues in the first half, but depth (and Joe Ritchay's career high 27 point night) put Edgewood away for good.
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tomt4525

Quote from: John Gleich on December 15, 2012, 11:23:43 PM
#6 UWSP takes care of Edgewood 63-48 sans Tyler Tillema.

I didn't listen to the whole broadcast, so I'm not sure if they gave an update on his status (he got hurt right before halftime of the Whitewater game on Wednesday), but I honestly didn't expect him to play tonight, regardless.

Edgewood put up a pretty good fight, it was a 7 point game at the half. The Eagles were sending all 5 guys to the offensive board and UWSP had some early issues in the first half, but depth (and Joe Ritchay's career high 27 point night) put Edgewood away for good.

I didn't start listening to the broadcast until about directly when the game started so the announcers probably went more in depth about Tillema's health during pregame...but they did mention during the game that Tillema could be back for the tilt Friday at St Thomas but it was not a given.  So, I take it as good news as he shouldn't miss extended time. 

Darryl Nester

#7190
How They Fared (Complete)

One late score (Augustana/MacMurray) still missing, but I'll be out for a while (Christmas program at church), so I'll post the rest and add that one later.  Done (thanks, Titan Q).

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1611Virginia Wesleyan7-0IDLE
#2602UW-Whitewater7-1LOST to #6 UW-Stevens Point, 61-72
#3571Middlebury8-0IDLE
#4552North Central (Ill.)9-0def. UW-Platteville, 73-64; won at Benedictine, 61-55
#5531St. Thomas8-0won at Bethany Lutheran, 94-91
#6465UW-Stevens Point9-0won at #2 UW-Whitewater, 72-61; def. Edgewood, 63-48
#7430Franklin and Marshall7-0IDLE
#8414Rochester10-0IDLE
#9383Wheaton (Ill.)10-1def. Cornell, 75-61; LOST at Northwestern (Minn.), 62-67; won at North Central (Minn.), 73-49
#10367Washington U.9-1def. Elmhurst, 82-56
#11365Ramapo8-0def. Rutgers-Newark, 79-52; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 110-76
#12296Wooster7-1won at Kenyon, 89-62
#13279Whitworth6-1won at Occidental, 95-66
#14271Adrian7-0IDLE
#15198Catholic7-1won at Gallaudet, 85-60
#16195Scranton6-2LOST to Keystone, 93-94
#17192St. Mary's (Md.)7-1IDLE
#18189Illinois Wesleyan6-2def. Chicago, 82-63
#19168WPI10-0IDLE
#20160Christopher Newport5-1IDLE
#21137Albertus Magnus7-0IDLE
#22111Amherst8-2won at Anna Maria, 94-67
#2381Ohio Wesleyan7-1IDLE
#2473Rhode Island College7-2IDLE
#2557New York University6-1IDLE


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2652MIT8-2won at Bridgewater State, 74-61
#2749Augustana9-1def. Knox, 84-49; won at Fontbonne, 79-65; won at MacMurray, 86-74
#2845Carroll7-2def. Milwaukee Engineering, 64-34; LOST to Ripon, 76-79
T#2937Hampden-Sydney8-1IDLE
T#2937Williams8-1IDLE
#3134UW-Stout9-1def. UW-River Falls, 62-52
T#3232Whitman6-2IDLE
T#3232Rose-Hulman9-1def. Millikin, 67-43; def. Hanover, 62-61
#3431North Carolina Wesleyan7-2LOST at Guilford, 64-80
#3517Augsburg7-0IDLE
#3616Stevens6-1IDLE
#3714Birmingham-Southern5-2won at Millsaps, 65-60
#3812Salisbury8-1IDLE
#399Bethany9-1def. Frostburg State, 96-55; def. Olivet, 63-59
#405Lycoming9-1def. Messiah, 70-54; def. King's, 74-65
T#412Randolph9-0def. Methodist, 71-56
T#412UW-La Crosse8-1IDLE
#431Oswego State7-1won at Cazenovia, 73-57

Titan Q

Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2012, 05:26:07 PM


One late score (Augustana/MacMurray) still missing, but I'll be out for a while (Christmas program at church), so I'll post the rest and add that one later.


Augustana 86
MacMurray 74

John Gleich

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Quote from: John Gleich on December 14, 2012, 01:50:59 PM


         Week 3                     
                              
   #      School (1st votes)      Rec      Pts      Prev.   
   1      Virginia Wesleyan (12)      7-0      611      1   
   2      UW-Whitewater (11)      7-0      602      2   
   3      Middlebury (1)      8-0      571      3   
   4      North Central (Ill.)      7-0      552      4   
   5      St. Thomas (1)      7-0      531      5   
   6      UW-Stevens Point      7-0      465      7   
   7      Franklin and Marshall      7-0      430      8   


So, now we get to last week's vote. The only movement (unless the Tommy Fan or the Panther Fan switched... and somebody else switched on... again, it'll drive ya nuts if you think too hard!) was one vote from VWU to UWW.

It's interesting how little movement there is at this point. Though we have a #1 team, it's not a concensus #1. Also interesting is how, though VWU lost a 1st place vote, they didn't lost any poll points. So they lost a #1, but someone else moved them up a slot... from #3 to #2, or something like that.

So, now the 11 first place votes of Whitewater (seemingly... it's not a given, but it's likely) have to be spread out. I'd say the one that jumped from VWU to UWW will jump back... so that would just leave 10.

And your guess is as good as mine there they'll go. But I don't think that UWSP will pick them all up. Point might not even pick any up.

The disparity between slots jumps from St. Thomas to Stevens Point.

VWU to UWW: 9 points
UWW to Middlebury: 31 points
Middlebury to North Central: 19 points
North Central to St. Thomas: 21 points
St. Thomas to Stevens Point: 66 points

And remember, an average spot in the poll equalf 25 points (1 additional point from each voter). So the spread between Whitewater and Stevens Point (137) was about 5.5 slots on the average ballot.



So what will the top 25 look like next week? The two remaining games are a rivalry game (North Central and Benedictine are playing in the "Battle of Maple Ave." The two schools are about 3 miles apart) and UWSP's tilt against Edgewood. I don't expect that either will be too difficult for the top 10 teams... both teams are 2-7.

So, here we are... let's see how the ole half-prediction/discussion thingy went...

By the way, the great thing about not making any actual predictions is that I really can't have been wrong...  ;D


In the last two remaining games, North Central hung on to defeat Benedictine in the Battle of Maple/Chicago Ave (I forgot the road name changes when you get in to Naperville). The Bene's stuck with the Cards through much of the game but couldn't score at the opportune time, and North Central won 61-55. By the way, Benedictine's free throw defense was outstanding... they held North Central to just 10/19 (Landon Gamble was 0/6). I watched a good portion of this game and Benedictine really had a good game plan. They just didn't have the fire power to seal the deal.

Stevens Point took care of Edgewood, though it wasn't without initial difficulties. Edgewood came out and all 5 guys crashed the boards and they had early success. Point adjusted and cruised to the victory.


So... to the rankings. Here was week 3:


         Week 3                     
                              
   #      School (1st votes)      Rec      Pts      Prev.   
   1      Virginia Wesleyan (12)      7-0      611      1   
   2      UW-Whitewater (11)      7-0      602      2   
   3      Middlebury (1)      8-0      571      3   
   4      North Central (Ill.)      7-0      552      4   
   5      St. Thomas (1)      7-0      531      5   
   6      UW-Stevens Point      7-0      465      7   
   7      Franklin and Marshall      7-0      430      8   


And here's the new Week 4:


         Week 4                     
                              
   #      School (1st votes)      Rec      Pts      Prev.   
   1      Virginia Wesleyan (21)      7-0      621      1   
   2      Middlebury (2)      8-0      589      3   
   3      North Central (Ill.) (1)      9-0      570      4   
   4      St. Thomas (1)      8-0      541      5   
   5      UW-Stevens Point      9-0      531      6   
   6      UW-Whitewater      7-1      481      2   
   7      Rochester      10-0      436      8   
   8      Franklin and Marshall      7-0      428      7   


I'm just looking at the top 7/8 because... meh, that's what I want to do.   :D



         Difference from Wk 3         
                  
   #      School (1st votes)      Diff   
   1      Virginia Wesleyan (21)      + 10   
   2      Middlebury (2)      + 28   
   3      North Central (Ill.) (1)      + 18   
   4      St. Thomas (1)      + 10   
   5      UW-Stevens Point      + 66   
   6      UW-Whitewater      - 123   
   7      Rochester      + 22   
   8      Franklin and Marshall      - 2   

As expected, Whitewater dropped several spots. Stevens Point didn't leap anybody, but they did have the largest point-jump among the top 8. There was a sizable gap between #5 and #6.  Interestingly, there still is a sizable gap between #5 and #6. But the distance between Stevens Point and St. Thomas shrank by 56 poll points ahead of their match-up this Friday.


We can look at what happened with this poll... Of Whitewater's eleven #1 votes, one went to North Central, one went to Middlebury, and the rest went to Virginia Wesleyan.

Va Wesleyan, we can tell from this poll, has 21 first place votes, and they were ranked #2 on the other 4 ballots.


But, based on the outcome of tonight's game, we'll likely have a new #1 next week. For the second straight year, Salisbury beat VWU. So, that's likely 21 first place votes up for grabs.


What's interesting is that this poll will probably not change until the new year. Over the Christmas break, there usually isn't an additional poll... because of finals and then several days off, there just aren't consistently enough games to do a new poll.

So VWU is going to be #1 through the rest of 2012, even though they lost tonight 76-67.

Darryl hasn't done the next installment of How They Fared (with the schedule of upcoming games) but we do know about the upcoming match up between the #4 Tommies and the #5 Pointers on Friday. I know that UWSP has finals this week, plus Tyler Tillema is still a question mark, and Point has never won at UST (either the old gym or the new one).

So, there's lots going against them in a game that they would be an underdog anyway.


Looking back at the poll, something weird happened... Rochester and F&M were both idle during the last week... and F&M dropped two point points and one position while Rochester gained 22 points and took F&M's spot.  Weird.


So, lots is going to happen between now and the next poll... VWU's 21 first place votes are likely going to be dispersed among the next 3 or 4 teams depending what happens. I think it's safe to say that if Point beats UST, they will leap over them, but if they lose, it's anybody's guess. More than 2 whole poll positions (point-wise) separate Whitewater and Stevens Point, so there's a chance that Point could drop the game and drop some points and stay right where they are in the poll.

But, as I said, there's lots that could happen between now and then. I, for one, will probably wait 2 weeks before really thinking too hard about what it will look like!
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scottiedawg

4th Poll

Most Votes Gained:
1. Williams, +90
2. UW-Stevens Point, +66
3. UW-Stout, +59
4. Augustana, +51
5. Ohio Wesleyan, +49

Most Votes Lost:
1. Scranton, -150
2. UW-Whitewater, -121
3. Wheaton, -111
4. Carroll, -44
5. Amherst, -37

Random Notes on the polls

74 teams have received a vote.
29 teams have received a vote in every poll.

The top 5 cumulative vote getters:
1. Virginia Wesleyan, 3027
2. UW-Whitewater, 2807
3. Middlebury, 2743
4. North Central, 2623
5. St. Thomas, 2316

The highest cumulative vote getters who didn't receive any in most recent poll:
1. Hope, 561
2. Cabrini, 440
3. William Paterson, 150
4. NC Wesleyan, 137
5. Whitman, 134

Teams that received 0 votes in preseason poll (current rank):
1. Adrian (12)
2. Catholic (15)
3. UW-Stout (23)
4. Salisbury (32)
5. Augsburg (33)

Most volatile teams by Standard Deviation of votes:
1. MIT
2. Amherst
3. Hope
4. Rochester
5. Wheaton

Most stable teams by Standard Deviation of votes:
1. these are all boring.....none of the 25 most stable teams has over 50 cumulative votes

WUPHF

I have no idea why I watched Transylvania upset College of Wooster 68-62, but that is the final from Kentucky.  Good game.  Transy had quite the crowd.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: John Gleich on December 18, 2012, 01:04:24 AM
What's interesting is that this poll will probably not change until the new year. Over the Christmas break, there usually isn't an additional poll... because of finals and then several days off, there just aren't consistently enough games to do a new poll.

So VWU is going to be #1 through the rest of 2012, even though they lost tonight 76-67.

Well... more like the fact the poll always takes a two-week break over the holidays, especially since this year Monday falls on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve. Finals have already happened... there were a number of teams "idle" in last week's poll due to time off... you could argue in those cases a third week off is warranted :). However... we just go by the fact that the voters are traveling and busy during the holidays. :)
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jams0325

Not a major point of contention but being a stickler for the facts I have to mention...it is VWC not VWU.

John Gleich

Quote from: jams0325 on December 19, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
Not a major point of contention but being a stickler for the facts I have to mention...it is VWC not VWU.

Sorry sir... won't happen again!
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NCAA appearances: 2018, '15, '14, '13, '12, '11, '10, '09, '08, '07, '05, '04, '03, '00, 1997

WIAC/WSUC Champs: 2015, '14, '13, '11, '09, '07, '05, '03, '02, '01, '00, 1993, '92, '87, '86, '85, '84, '83, '82, '69, '61, '57, '48, '42, '37, '36, '35, '33, '18

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John Gleich

Quote from: WUH on December 18, 2012, 07:23:16 PM
I have no idea why I watched Transylvania upset College of Wooster 68-62, but that is the final from Kentucky.  Good game.  Transy had quite the crowd.

Transy took down F&M tonight too, 86-73
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National Champions: 2015, 2010, 2005, 2004

NCAA appearances: 2018, '15, '14, '13, '12, '11, '10, '09, '08, '07, '05, '04, '03, '00, 1997

WIAC/WSUC Champs: 2015, '14, '13, '11, '09, '07, '05, '03, '02, '01, '00, 1993, '92, '87, '86, '85, '84, '83, '82, '69, '61, '57, '48, '42, '37, '36, '35, '33, '18

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Mr. Ypsi

Transy is having quite a week!  Taking down #13 Wooster, then #8 F&M - if they can also down 8-1 Thomas More on Saturday, can anyone doubt they will jump all the way from 1 point to well into the Top 25?!