Pool C -- 2009

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Ralph Turner

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West Region

1. Linfield 6-0 7-0NWCPuget Sound, open date, Pac Luth
2. Central 8-0 8-0IIACBuena Vista, at Wartburg, open date
3. St. John's 8-0 8-0MIACopen date, at Augsburg, Carleton
4. UW-Whitewater 5-0 7-0WIACat UWSP, UW-O, at UW-L
5. Monmouth 8-0 8-0MWCIllinois College, at Knox, open date
6. St. Thomas 6-1 6-1MIACAugsburg, at Bethel, Northwestern MN
7. Coe 6-1 6-1IIACat Loras, at Buena Vista, Cornell
8. Occidental 5-1 5-1SCIAC    Cal Luth, at P-P, at Whittier
9. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1SCIAC    at Oxy, at LaVerne, Redlands
10. UW-Stevens Point 4-1 5-2WIACUWW, UWRF, at UWP


Cal Lu 24, Oxy 14.

Schwami

#31
Ralph, you can add that the game between Wabash and DePauw also involves regionally ranked teams, as you note for Mount St. Joseph - Thomas More.

Also note that Case Western is Pool B.
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Schwami on October 28, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
Ralph, you can add that the game between Wabash and DePauw also involves regionally ranked teams, as you note for Mount St. Joseph - Thomas More.

Also note that Case Western is Pool B.
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usee

You can find this in the 2009 D3 Championship handbook but since these guys will be on the hot seat in the coming weeks it may be helpful to know who the folks responsible for the weekly regional rankings are:

East Evaluation Region
Mike DeLong, Springfield College, co-chair
Joy Solomen, Rowan University, co-chair
John Burrell, Western Connecticut State University
Scott Greene, University of Rochester
Tom Kelley, Framingham State College
Shawn McIntry, Norwich University
Dave Murray, Alfred University
David Wood, Widener University

North Evaluation Region
Norm Eash, Illinois Wesleyan University, co-chair
Tim Gleason, Ohio Athletic Conference, co-chair
Jim Barnes, Augustana College (Illinois)
Jon Cooper, Benedictine University (Illinois)
Shannon Griffith, Manchester College
Eric Hehman, Greenville College
Dean Paul, Ohio Northern University
Craig Rundle, Albion College
Ted Stanley, Kenyon College

South Evaluation Region
Brad Bankston, Old Dominoin Athletic Conference, co-chair
Chris Smith, Grove City College, co-chair
Robert Black, University of the South
Bob Colbert, Saint Vincent College
Mike Dunlevy, Averett University
Pete Gallagher, Ursinus College
Norman Joseph, Mississippi College
Don Montgomery, Emory and Henry College
Todd Mooney, LaGrange College

West Evaluation Region
Chad Eisele, Knox College, co-chair
Mike Maynard, University of Redlands, co-chair
Andy Ankeny, University of La Verne
Glenn Caruso, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota)
Mike Durnin, Luther College
Chris Howard, Lawrence University
Duey Naatz, University of Wisconsin, Stout
Bob Owens, Chapman University
Joe Smith, Linfiled College

These people meet weekly to rank their own regions for the weekly rankings. How they rank them on selection Sunday will determine what order they get to the table for Pool C discussion as each region will have only their top Pool C candidate at the table at any given time to be compared with the other 3 currently at the table. The Chair of each region is also on the national committee that decides who is in the field.

Pat Coleman

Well, except the national committee can and often does change the rankings from the ones submitted from the regional committee.
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Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2009, 01:20:51 AM
Well, except the national committee can and often does change the rankings from the ones submitted from the regional committee.

Since the final rankings are never presented to the public, do you KNOW this, or are you speculating?

And either way, what IS the point of the non-final regional rankings (besides giving us something to talk about)?

Ralph Turner

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Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2009, 10:02:59 PM
South Region
1. Wesley 3-0 4-0 7-0Pool BSalisbury, Lake Erie, Ohio Dominican
2. Mississippi College 6-0 6-1ASCHoward Payne, at Sul Ross State, Texas Lutheran
3. Washington and Jefferson 7-0 7-0Pres ACThomas More, at Bethany, Waynesburg
4. Hampden-Sydney 8-0 8-0ODACat Catholic, Salisbury, at RMC
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 4-1 6-1ASCETBU, at Howard Payne, Sul Ross State
6. Thomas More 7-0 7-0Pres ACat W&J, Geneva, at MSJ*
7. Centre 6-1 6-1SCACRhodes, at Trinity TX, open date
8. Huntingdon** 3-0 6-1Pool BLaGrange, at BSC, at South Alabama
9. Dickinson 6-1 6-1CCat Muhlenberg, Juniata, Ursinus
10. DePauw 5-1 5-1SCACat BSC, Austin, Wabash***

*Mount St Joseph is a Regionally Ranked (North) Team.

**Huntingdon may have 2 more in-region wins over SLIAC opponents.

Pat Coleman has confirmed that Wesley's win over Delaware Valley is in-region by virtue of the 200-mile radius rule.

***Wabash/DePauw Monon Bell game is between regional ranked teams

Thomas More 14, W&J 7

Howard Payne 38, Miss College 24.

Ralph Turner

#37
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2009, 09:46:25 PM
North Region
1. Mount Union 6-0 7-0OACat JCU, Otterbein, Marietta
2. Otterbein 7-0 7-0OACat Marietta, at Mount Union, JCU
3. Wittenberg 5-0 7-0NCACat Denison, Allegheny, Wooster
4. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0Pool Bat Chicago, at Carnegie-Mellon, Wash UStL
5. Mount St. Joseph 7-0 7-0HCACat Manchester, Defiance, Thomas More*
6. North Central (Ill.) 6-1 6-1CCIWat IWU, at Augustana, Elmhurst
7. Wabash 5-1 6-1NCACat Oberlin, Hiram, at DePauw**
8. Wheaton (Ill.) 6-1 6-1CCIWElmhurst, at IWU, Carthage
9. Illinois Wesleyan 6-1 6-1CCIW     North Central, Wheaton, at North Park
10. Trine 6-1 6-1MIAAAlbion, Adrian Ky, Christian

*Thomas More is a Regionally Ranked (South) team.

**Wabash/DePauw Monon Bell game is between regional ranked teams

Marietta 25 Otterbein 22.  Does the OAC gauntlet knock off good Pool C candidates?

Now Otterbein needs to beat MUC for the Pool A bid or possibly sit home.

IWU 28,  NCC 22 OT

Ralph Turner

Cut and pasted from the MIAC board...

Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2009, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: smedindy on October 31, 2009, 06:41:36 PM
The carnage in the OAC (Otterbein) and CCIW (North Central) should help St. Thomas' "C" chances greatly.
North Central has an in-region loss to Ohio Northern in addition to the loss to IWU today.

Wheaton has a conference loss to NCC and plays at IWU next week.

IWU's loss is to Millikin.

It looks like the CCIW is on the bubble for a Pool C bid.

usee

Wheaton continues to be the only possible pool C for the CCIW. If they win out they will have 1 loss and ncc will be AQ. If IWU beats wheaton next week, iwu is AQ and ncc and wheaton get to watch from home. Pool C watchers from other conferences are hoping for a Titan sweep.

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: USee on October 31, 2009, 07:08:27 PM
Wheaton continues to be the only possible pool C for the CCIW. If they win out they will have 1 loss and ncc will be AQ. If IWU beats wheaton next week, iwu is AQ and ncc and wheaton get to watch from home. Pool C watchers from other conferences are hoping for a Titan sweep.


Yeah, I've just alerted them on the OAC about that - we'll take all the fans we can get! ;D

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2009, 10:14:37 PM
West Region

1. Linfield 6-0 7-0NWCPuget Sound, open date, Pac Luth
2. Central 8-0 8-0IIACBuena Vista, at Wartburg, open date
3. St. John's 8-0 8-0MIACopen date, at Augsburg, Carleton
4. UW-Whitewater 5-0 7-0WIACat UWSP, UW-O, at UW-L
5. Monmouth 8-0 8-0MWCIllinois College, at Knox, open date
6. St. Thomas 6-1 6-1MIACAugsburg, at Bethel, Northwestern MN
7. Coe 6-1 6-1IIACat Loras, at Buena Vista, Cornell
8. Occidental 5-1 5-1SCIAC    Cal Luth, at P-P, at Whittier
9. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1SCIAC    at Oxy, at LaVerne, Redlands
10. UW-Stevens Point 4-1 5-2WIACUWW, UWRF, at UWP



UWW 41, UWSP 12

Cal Lu 24, Oxy 14.

wally_wabash

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Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2009, 09:46:25 PM
North Region
1. Mount Union 6-0 7-0OACat JCU, Otterbein, Marietta
2. Otterbein 7-0 7-0OACat Marietta, at Mount Union, JCU
3. Wittenberg 5-0 7-0NCACat Denison, Allegheny, Wooster
4. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0Pool Bat Chicago, at Carnegie-Mellon, Wash UStL
5. Mount St. Joseph 7-0 7-0HCACat Manchester, Defiance, Thomas More*
6. North Central (Ill.) 6-1 6-1CCIWat IWU, at Augustana, Elmhurst
7. Wabash 5-1 6-1NCACat Oberlin, Hiram, at DePauw**
8. Wheaton (Ill.) 6-1 6-1CCIWElmhurst, at IWU, Carthage
9. Illinois Wesleyan 6-1 6-1CCIW     North Central, Wheaton, at North Park
10. Trine 6-1 6-1MIAAAlbion, Adrian Ky, Christian

*Thomas More is a Regionally Ranked (South) team.

**Wabash/DePauw Monon Bell game is between regional ranked teams

It will be very interesting to see how Saturday's results change these rankings.  Does NCC fall out (which hurts IWU as their win now comes against a team not regionally ranked)?  How far does Otterbein fall after losing to a team with just 2 wins prior to Saturday?  If North Central falls out, who moves in?  

My personal opinion...
- I think Otterbein has to fall considerably...down below the Wabash/Wheaton/IWU group.  You just can't lose to Marietta, even if you've got some QB issues.  
- I think Wheaton and/or IWU move ahead of Wabash (for one week only...the loser of Saturday's big game will obviously fall back down)
- I think NCC falls out and gets replaced by Allegheny who gets to see their name on the board for a week.  
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usee

What's interesting is there really aren't many Pool C teams in the North (barring upsets of Witt, MUC or CWR) the only pool C candidates in the North are Wabash and Wheaton. Where they end up relative to each other MAY be important but I have to believe if they both finish with 1 loss they both get in.

You may also see Concordia, Il make this list as they are the likely AQ from their conf after their win over Concordia WI.

The 2 loss team scenario is a lot more real this week than it was last week. Still a lot of 1 loss teams but their are some big games for many of them coming up.

HScoach

Otterbein's loss to Marietta puts the 2nd OAC's Poll C bid in jeopardy.   If they had taken care of business as expected, the easy make the field at 9-1.  But you just can't lose to Marietta.  If Otterbein was anywhere near a real top 20 team, you could leave your entire starting lineup at home and still beat Marietta.  They're horrid. 

Now with Otterbein going to Mount with a 3rd string QB, you can forget about them putting up a good showing against the Raiders like Ohio Northern and Capital did.  Otterbein's defense isn't near strong enough to hold the Raiders under 40 points, but they had the chance to score in the mid 20's or higher to make it look very respectable in defeat.  You can forget that chance now.  Mount will end Otterbein's playoff hopes with a laugher in the 45 to 7 range.  Or worse.

I think the best shot the OAC has is for the winner of this week's Ohio Northern at Capital battle.   Northern already has a big win over North Central and Capital was a few minutes away from beating MUC.  I think the winner of ONU/Capital is the first 8-2 team selected for a Pool C bid.  Behind that might be Bethel or whichever CCIW team finishes 8-2. 

The OAC's best chance is probably for the CCIW to beat each other up over the next 2 weeks so that NCC ends up with the AQ.  Thereby giving the OAC a win over a strong conferences champion.
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