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Title: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on March 01, 2005, 04:51:33 PM
Pat,
In your opinion were there any coaching moves in the F&M-Ursinus game that were or were not made that surprised you?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Cummings on March 01, 2005, 07:48:22 PM
Well...

Overall I was surprised that Wright was 0 for 9 from beyond the arc.  That isn't a coaching thing...more just a thing

I thought that GRob's defense on McGarvey was fantastic, but that being said, it was a classic example of having solid basketball players on a fundamentally sound team - give the "star" some trouble and a great player will find his teammates and adjust accordingly.  

GRob knew what he did in the anomaly that was the 90-61 F&M win earlier to keep McGarvey way off his game, but Coach Small adjusted incredibly with the play of McEvily/Shattuck/Furey/Fabian...

I really think that Ursinus's fundamentals can get them far, and that any postseason opponent is going to try to disrupt McGarvey.  If the rest of the Bears play as they did against F&M, a trip to the Sweet 16 could be in order.  

The Bears' biggest problem, obviously, could be the physical play of Ramapo...if the Bears get some officials who aren't used to NJAC-style play (and assuming a win against NYC Tech of course)...anything can happen.

Other than that Swish - to be roundabout...I was bcasting the game by myself and rather wrapped up in the play-by-play from my awkward angle at Mayser.  Nothing else seemed to jump out at me, although there certainly could have been things I missed...

Hence the benefit of having a color commentator.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gordon "Marco Scutaro" Mann on March 01, 2005, 10:45:37 PM
Speaking of which...

Since my better half will be at GMC on Thursday, I'll be solo for the following.

NCAA Sports and D3hoopsNet will broadcast Thursday evening's NCAA Tournament men's basketball game between the New York City Tech Yellow Jackets and the Ursinus College Bears live from Helfferich Hall in Collegeville, PA.

This is the first year of a new partnership between NCAA Host Communications and D3hoops.com to provide coverage of the road to the Division III Championship in Salem, Virginia.

Alumni, boosters, parents, and members of both campus communities will be able to listen to the game for free over the Internet through a stream linked off http://www.ncaasports.com.

Tip off is 7 PM with pregame coverage beginning at 6:45 PM.

I'll provide a more specific link if we have one later.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: PenningtonisGod on March 02, 2005, 07:51:11 PM
Some follow up comments from the discussion of F&M/Ursinus...

Great game all around in that, like pat said, no lead was greater than five.  The key to the game though was the early play of number 12 who was five for five from three point range in the first half.  McGarvy struggled for most of the first half, and if not for the great 5-5 performance Ursinus probably would have fallen out of the game.  

From an intensity standpoint, it didnt quite match the wow factor of the 2003 title game.  The fans seemed more into that one.  This game was so much back and forth that fans were more attentive than boisterous.  

As Pat referred to, the officials didnt affect the game.  Two of them were pretty quiet while the other was kind of all over the place.  At the end fouls were even and that's what you'd expect.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3pointer on March 02, 2005, 08:17:11 PM
SF23 - Do they offer Anger Management 101 at the 'Ford? Seriously, dude, at this rate you're going to have a stroke before you hit 25.

Fritz - Your post of 2/28 @ 2:42 a.m.(??) was sheer brilliance! That's why you're a starter and I'm just JV....

D3P
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Eric L. Powell on March 02, 2005, 10:00:07 PM
From the F&M Website -

In ECAC Mens Southern Division action:

Franklin And Marshall Diplomats   -   116
Lincoln University Lions          -   100.

I was not at the game. Too far to travel and get up for work the next morning in the middle of the week. No other details available yet.

I should be able to get to Mayser Center in Lancaster for this weekend's games (semifinals and final). GO DIPLOMATS!

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Eric L. Powell on March 02, 2005, 10:10:33 PM
Folks -

In ECAC Southern Division Men's Basketball action:  

F&M defeats Lincoln  
Catholic defeats DeSales  
Carnegie Mellon defeats Gettsyburg  
Scranton defeats Alvernia.  

See everyone at Mayser Center in Lancaster on Friday and Saturday. Regards to all.  

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Eric L. Powell on March 02, 2005, 10:42:30 PM
Folks -  

Details on the F&M Lincoln game in the ECAC Southern Divsion tournament from the stats posted on the F&M website as follows:

Lincoln - Kearse (40), Myrick (29), White (11 points/12 rebounds), and Hickson (10).

F&M - Dan Lynch (32), Smith (26), Outerbridge (17), Chasen (12), Teschke (11), Leonard (11), Wright (7).

Lincoln: FG - 40% (32-80), TPFG - 28.6% (8-28), and FT - 77.8% (28-36).

F&M: FG - 60.7% (34-56), TPFG - 60.9% (14-23), and FT - 72.3% (34-47).

Rebounds: F&M - 40, Lincoln - 39.

A ton of fouls: 3 Lincoln players fouled out and several more had 4 fouls; 1 F&M player fouled out (Smith) and several more had four fouls.

Didn't see the game. GO DIPLOMATS. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 02, 2005, 10:49:47 PM
A bunch of Lincoln's fouls came over the last few minutes as they tried to climb back from a big deficit.  If F&M hadn't missed a lot of their free throws down the stretch, they would have won by 20-25.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: atn alum on March 03, 2005, 02:38:23 PM
Just a reminder that the Urisnus/NYC Tech game tonight will be webcast by the NCAA using D3hoops.com personnel. http://www.d3hoops.com/audio for more information.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on March 03, 2005, 10:31:55 PM
The game tonight was great even though Ursinus lost by two points.  McGarvey seemed off his game tonight.  His offensive production wasn't as high as it usually is.

Ursinus is a young team and only one senior played tonight so I think they should be very good next season, I guess we will just have to wait and see.  Number 21 for Ursinus will be someone to watch over the next few years.  He is only a freshman and had an exceptional game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Dip-lo-nut on March 04, 2005, 01:55:05 AM
First, I have to agree with the point by "CC" that Ursinus should be very good next season.  I'd even go so far as to say they are the team to beat in the Centennial Conference.  I think they played underclassmen exclusively against F&M, so they definitely have a lot to look forward to.

That being said,  I have a trivia question:

Who was the last Centennial Conference team other than F&M to win an NCAA Tournament game?

Give up?  It was Johns Hopkins in 1998 !  They won a 1st round game over FDU-Madison by a score of 87-47 and then lost in the 2nd round 67-62 to Catholic.  Here are some recent results:

2005 Ursinus lost 68-66 at home vs. NYC Tech.
2004 F&M got to Elite 8 round after a 1st round bye and wins in the 2nd round and Sweet 16.
2003 Ursinus lost 77-75 at Scranton in the 2nd round after a 1st round bye.
2002 Gettysburg fell apart, losing 78-59 at home in the 1st round to Lycoming.
2001 Gettysburg lost 60-52 in the 1st round at Hampden-Sydney.
2000 F&M got to the FINAL FOUR and lost a heart-breaking, last second thriller (on a "no-call" foul) to eventual National Champion Calvin.
1999 F&M beat Johns Hopkins 81-66 in the 1st round and then got paid back at Wilkes in a 77-58 crushing (the term "paid back" refers to the Diplomats 107-70 annihilation of the Colonels in the 1996 Elite 8)
1998 The CC Champion Muhlenberg Mules lost 77-61 to Scranton in the 1st round.  Johns Hopkins, with an at-large bid, beat FDU-Madison 87-47 in the 1st round.  Johns Hopkins then lost 67-62 in the 2nd round to Catholic.

I can't remember the last time a CC team other than F&M won a game in the 2nd round or later.  I guess it would have to have been in 1997 if ever (but doubtful) when Dickinson won the CC, because F&M dominated the CC from it's inception in 1993 through 1996.  In those 4 years, they went to the Sweet 16 in 1993, 1994, and 1995.  In 1996 they got to the FINAL FOUR where they ran into some unfortunate bad timing of illness and injuries.

My point out of all this is that F&M is the ONLY team in the Centennial Conference that has proven it can go DEEP into the NCAA Tournament.  Granted, they probably did not deserve an at-large bid this year; but I think they definitely did not deserve to be snubbed in 2002 and 2003 when they had great regular seasons but lost at the wrong time.  Like they say, you gotta win your conference.  We'll see what Glenn Robinson can come up with next year -- he never ceases to amaze me how he wins year after year after year ..........

p.s. F&M also won the ECAC in 2002 & 2003, the only 2 times I remember them being in that tournament.  There should be some great competition there this weekend, as the Dips host the semis and finals after beating Lincoln 116-100 in the quarters on Wednesday.

(Message edited by Diplonut on March 4, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: PenningtonisGod on March 04, 2005, 01:05:56 PM
Hey Nut,

Very good analysis about F&M in the tournament.  I must say I have been surprised about UC's early exits.  I had a feeling they would have won their opener this year, and they definitely looked like a sweet 16 team a few years back.  As for Gettysburg, their 02 loss was no surprise as they had no place in the tournament after one of the poorest officiated games i have ever seen.

Hopefully the opening of more bids next year will prevent years like 02 and 03 where a very good Dip team did not make the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2005, 01:35:14 PM
You wanted a push-off called on Foltice on that buzzer-beater? I didn't see it that way. Our broadcast crew, if I recall correctly, saw it as Sadowski going for the steal and being out of position to defend the shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Jeff Maynes on March 04, 2005, 06:05:46 PM
I don't think it is fair to say Gettysburg fell apart against Lycoming.  They brought the score very close with about five minutes remaining, but were unable to get over the hump.  The margin was inflated by free throw shooting.

And I hope we won't have to hear the "conspiracy theories" about 02 again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3sthebest on March 04, 2005, 08:04:54 PM
jeff,
are you from connecticut?
i know some hoops fanatics with this surname.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2005, 11:22:11 PM
The F&M Athletics website is down so I can't confirm, but F&M defeated Scranton and Catholic defeated Carneigie Mellon tonight, setting up CUA vs F&M in a rematch at 7 pm tomorrow night. If anyone has updated information on the time, please post up.

CUA beat CMU by 15 tonight, but I don't have any details...Catholic wins  its 20th game for its EIGHTH straight season.  20 wins is not too bad for a rookie coach and a team that lost 3 starters, including a 1st team All American.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Jeff Maynes on March 05, 2005, 10:44:14 AM
Sure am D3sthebest - I'm a Tolland, CT native.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Dip-lo-nut on March 05, 2005, 03:33:25 PM
Pat: Is there a video available of the 2000 F&M vs. Calvin Semi Final?  I was there, as were you, but it all happened so quickly.  To the best of my recollection it was a "push off".  I ran into Sadowski and Maiatico (or was it Ritacco?) at Ursinus in 2003 and they still swear "he was pushed".  I'm not suggesting a Warren Commission on this, but I would like to go to my grave knowing for sure one way or another what definitely happened.  Our loss in the 1991 Finals was heart breaking, but it was without major controversy.  It's similar to how NYU probably still feels about their 1994 loss in OT to Lebanon Valley.  You remember -- the tip in AFTER the buzzer to send it into overtime.  Nothing will ever change history at this point, but it would be nice to know.  Care to hear any more sour grapes?

p.s.  LVC was and still is a bitter rivalry for the Dips, but I have no ill will toward them for a call that helped them win a national title.  They have done what F&M has yet to do -- bring home the champions hardware.  I'm rooting for them tonight at SJ Fish since they represent our region.  Go FD !
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 05, 2005, 03:43:22 PM
D3Dip-lo-nut:

Thanks for pulling for the Dutchmen tonight.  

In return, I'll cheer for the Dips (though if GRob hears that an LVC fan is on his side, even for one game, he'll likely get a terminal case of the vapors. :-O)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Dip-lo-nut on March 05, 2005, 05:09:27 PM
I won't be there, but I'll be listening through this link I found:

www.lvc.edu/lvc.asx

Hope it works!

p.s.  Remember the time about 10 years ago when ESPN did a 5 minute piece on the F&M vs. LVC rivalry?  D-III gets so little coverage nationally, so I was very impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 05, 2005, 05:15:56 PM
lo-nut:

Yes, I hope it works. That's the log-in for the LVC closed-circuit radio station. Frequent poster Tim Flynn is the head honcho for the station.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Dip-lo-nut on March 05, 2005, 08:58:54 PM
Sorry Dub Tea:

Valley on short end of 66-58 final.

But on the bright side, my Dips took their 3rd ECAC championship in 4 years with a 66-56 pasting of Catholic!

See ya'll next year .....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2005, 12:20:11 AM
Good game at F&M, but what's with the excessive adjectives? On here, its a 'pasting,' but the F&M release has this paragraph:

"Overall, the Diplomats dominated in the game as F&M made 21-of-53 (39.6%) from the floor, six-of-17 (35.3%) from beyond the arc and a school record 18-of-18 from the free throw line."

DOMINATED? 39% from the field? Catholic shot 44%...this was a 1 point game with 10 minutes left...it was a close game until the end.  

Hardly dominating...pretty good showing, sure, but Catholic slowed down the tempo pretty well and Spirenberg completely shut down Danny Lynch. Had Satalin not being playing hurt...  

Congrats to the Dips though...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 06, 2005, 01:22:48 AM
Matt, the F&M press releases are never very good in that respect.  As for D3Dip-lo-nut's description, well, either he wasn't there or he's prone to some serious exaggeration.  Catholic gave F&M their toughest game of the ECAC tournament BY FAR.

As for you saying "Had Satalin not been playing hurt ...", my response is:

Had Bob Lynch not missed most of the season ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2005, 11:43:12 AM
Good point friz...you can never get into that 'what if' game because it never ends...'had Mike Lonergan not left for Maryland and all our recruits not gone somewhere else because Mike left...' Ha...you play with the hand you are dealt. I shouldn't have even gone there!

I understand that the press release has been altered.  Small point, but accuracy is always good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on March 07, 2005, 01:41:55 PM
Had LeBron decided to go to Carleton College with me rather than straight to the NBA . . .

Yeah, I went there :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Eric L. Powell on June 07, 2005, 12:55:41 PM
Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

I note that McDaniel College has hired a new men's coach to replace Former Coach Dull. I wasn't aware that he had left McDaniel. Does anyone know the circumstances of or the reasons for his departure? Perhaps, the less than stellar win-loss record?

Hope that everyone is enjoying summer now that it has finally arrived in west-central PA! Just think, less than six whole months until the start of the 2005-2006 season! Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: beantown baby on June 14, 2005, 11:18:23 PM
Dull was fired from McDaniel for the poor record.  I also heard that he may have clashed with the administration.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on June 23, 2005, 03:31:55 PM
Does anyone know how Dennis Stanton is doing with his basketball career?  Last I heard, he was playing professional basketball in Denmark.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Eric L. Powell on June 24, 2005, 10:51:12 AM
Beantown -

Thanks for the information. I can't say that I am surprised given the won-loss record. I am also not surprised that he may have had trouble with the Administration. Whenever I saw a McDaniel game, he had more trouble with the referees than GRob has!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Eric L. Powell on June 24, 2005, 10:53:52 AM
Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

It's almost July. Does anyone have any news from around the conference concerning recruits, transfers, injuries, or schedules? Please advise. Thanks.

Let's get some buzz going in the room again! Hope everyone is enjoying a great summer. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: beantown baby on June 29, 2005, 04:11:52 PM
Kyle O'Connor left McDaniel, and is at Marymount.  I heard McDaniel has a solid recruiting class.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 16, 2005, 02:19:55 PM
Pat -

I like the new look and format! Great job.  ;D

It will take a little getting used to for most of us. Heck, I had trouble and had to re-set my password. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2005, 05:49:07 PM
Well, hey, now you can post on football, too. Centennial football board is usually pretty slow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 16, 2005, 08:01:46 PM
Fellow Cenetennial Conference Fans -

Now that we have an improved site and better software, I am going to try this one more time. Let's get this board buzzing again! Is there any news on recruits, schedules, or even pre-season predictions? Will GRob's Dips go 3-0 to start the season and give him coaching win # 700?

I can hardly wait for the new season to begin! Hope everyone is enjoying the summer. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 16, 2005, 08:19:33 PM
Folks -

Recently, I received some interesting information concerning Diplomat Tournament Pairings for the 2005-2006 season from Ed Haas, F&M Sports Information Director. It is as follows:

SPONAUGLE TOURNAMENT:

Courtland vs. Gwynedd-Mercy College
F&M vs. Emerson College

ROTARY TOURNAMENT (NEW YEAR'S):

Lincoln University vs. Mitchell College
F&M vs. Juniata College

It is very possible the Coach Robinson's 700th career coaching win could come against the Alvernia College Crusaders at the Sovereign Center in Reading, PA on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. The site for that game has not been completely determined as of this date.

It would certainly be more appropriate if # 700 would be achieved at Mayser Center in Lancaster! Perhaps, ESPN could be convinced to cover or, at the very least, report on this milestone. Pat and Warren any thoughts?

GO DIPS!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 17, 2005, 03:25:47 PM
Hey guys -

Are there any Centennial Conference Fans out there or is everyone at the shore??

Does anyone have news they wish to share?

Bring on the season now!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 18, 2005, 08:54:26 AM
Folks -

News from F&M's website: Guard Jerome Maiatico (Class of 2000) has been named to the F&M Athletics Department Hall Of Fame. It is his first year of eligibility. This marks the first time that an F&M athlete has been selected in the first year of eligibility.

Jerome was a class scholar-athlete and is well-deserving of this honor. Congratulations to Jerome!

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on August 18, 2005, 09:07:11 AM
Eric,

Do you know what other out of conference teams F&M plays this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on August 18, 2005, 11:14:19 AM
Eric,

Is there somewhere I can find a F&M schedule? Also, what's the story with the Alvernia game possibly being played at Sovereign Arena in Reading? More details please. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: slim on August 18, 2005, 05:33:55 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on August 17, 2005, 03:25:47 PM
Are there any Centennial Conference Fans out there ...??

Eric,

Yes, there are other Diplomat fans looking forward to this season! 

Slim

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 18, 2005, 08:35:50 PM
Swish -

The six confirmed non-conference games that I am aware of are as follows:

Sponaugle Tournament - 2 games
December 1 - Lebanon Valley College - 1 game
Rotary Tournament - 2 games
TBA - Alvernia College - 1 game.

By my count, with eighteen Centennial Conference games, that leaves one more non-conference game to be announced. I am assuming that it will be an in-region opponent based on NCAA tournament selection criteria.

The Alvernia game is not yet scheduled. However, it will be later in the season and in Lancaster. So, a game at the Sovereign Center is out!

Schedules have not be published or made available yet. Hope this information is helpful. I can't hardly wait for November 18th! ;D

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 18, 2005, 08:38:16 PM
Pat -

What exactly does term "Karma" located in the left-hand margin of the posts signify? Please advise. thanks.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 19, 2005, 04:40:50 PM
Swish, Slim, and other F&M Fans -

Here is some more information on F&M games that I received from Ed Haas, F&M's Sports Information Director:

"F&M-Alvernia -- December 30 in Lancaster

The other game was Catholic on December 21 - but they have backed out. They are still trying to get a deal done with Catholic for here in Lancaster, but Glenn is also looking at other opponents as well."

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 22, 2005, 07:57:41 PM
Swish -

Any thoughts on the starting line-up for the 2005-2006 season? At this point, I suppose its: Outerbridge, Smith, Teschke, and Leonard. I think F&M's biggest need is inside at the Center position. Who starts there - Fogg (finally in his senior year) or does Coach Robinson go with one of the underclassmen -Lacatena or Hines, etc? I think we should have decent depth at guard and small forward. Any comments?

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: John Gleich on August 23, 2005, 12:23:51 AM
Diplomat,

If you "applaud" a post, the person gets +1 karma.  If you "smite" someone, then they get -1 karma.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on August 23, 2005, 03:53:30 PM
Dennis Stanton averaged 41 points per game in Denmark.  He is continuing his professional basketball career at a higher level in Poland next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on August 24, 2005, 02:49:22 PM
As you said, the middle will be the unknown piece of the puzzle this year. G-Rob could go with several different big line-ups based upon who is returning. I'm anxious to see if they bring a freshman in that is good enough to see time. Do you know anything about any of this years recruits?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 25, 2005, 05:47:06 PM
Swish -

I haven't heard anything about new freshman recruits or upperclass transfers. F&M usually takes quite awhile to post its team roster on the Athletic Department webpage. I have been told in the past that the delay is due to the roster still being finalized. However, if I hear anything, I will certainly post it.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 07, 2005, 06:23:39 PM
Folks -

Welcome Back! Now that the colleges are back in session, I thought that this board might get busier with more comments and more posters and more "trash-talkers".

Are there any Centennial Conference fans out there? Does anyone have interesting infromation, scouting reports, predictions, or boasts to share?

Let the updates begin! Regards to all

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 20, 2005, 05:24:36 PM

Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

Here is a link to an interesting non-basketball-related news article on F&M Coach Glenn Robinson. Enjoy!

http://server1.fandm.edu/departments/athletics/mbasket/stories/05D7956CB2.html

Only on month to go until pratice begins and two months to go until the season starts! Go Diplomats!

Regards to all.


Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on September 21, 2005, 10:06:35 AM
Ursinus went 4 - 0 in Ireland over the summer.

http://www.ursinus.edu/content.asp?page=wintersports/BasketballM/2005Ireland.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 04, 2005, 04:30:04 PM

D3Dip-lo-nut, Fritzdis, Slim, Swish, et. al. -

Just a quick note to let you know that F&M has now posted its 2005-2006 schedule on the Men's Basketball page of its website.  ;D Yea!

Ten days to "Midnight Madness" and just over six weeks until the season begins. Finally!!! I can hardly wait. Bring on the season.

Does anyone have information on recruits. Please advise.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on October 04, 2005, 07:13:10 PM
Well, I guess we'll find out how good we're going to be in a hurry. Starting out with Gwynedd-Mercy - they lost their big guy but still have some good athletes. If we get by them we'll probably face Trinity who, my guess is, will be in the pre-season top 10. They have everyone coming back this year except for their point guard. So who do they get - a 6'2" transfer PG from Boston University that saw playing time as a sophomore. Should be an interesting touney.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 13, 2005, 05:24:01 PM
No way GMC is anywhere near where they have been without Gaye.

That being said, I'm sure John Baron is reading this and will find a way to go 20-5.

Or not.

Getting revved for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on October 14, 2005, 08:42:05 AM
Pat-
I agree. Losing Gaye is a big hit. But remember, F&M lost both Lynches and I think Bob played in the game aginst GM before he got hurt. It will be interesting to see who (if anybody) steps up for F&M this year. They have three starters back but only one is a senior. Fogg,Chasen and Leonard all got significant time last year even though they didn't start. They should be able to fill some holes. Then any freshman which we seem to get every year as role players. My prediction- 20-5 with Ursinus winning the Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldfummer on October 22, 2005, 03:00:27 PM
Did anyone attend the Midnight Madness at F&M last night?  Would like a scouting report, especially on newbies.  Any new talent - any height?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 22, 2005, 07:13:10 PM
Attended F&M Midnight Madness
Hard to tell about the talent.
One wide body freshman, but looked out of shape.
One transfer with potential-average height.(six-five or six-six)
Hard to judge only scrimmaged for 20 minutes, and many freshmen, as expected, were out of sync.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: heartofachampion on October 24, 2005, 07:27:49 PM
The word on campus is F&M should be good this year, only time will tell.  But I cannot wait till the season starts.  I am expecting great things from Brandon Smith this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 26, 2005, 01:11:00 PM
GMC-F&M should be a battle of two teams trying to figure out exactly what they have.  Both teams saw big losses, but Gaye's loss will likely cut GMC deeper.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 01, 2005, 09:22:29 PM
As I prepare for my 40th season of F&M basketball.  This would be my top 10 players(no significance to listing):
Smith
Scott
Juskin
Plakans
MARSH
Jannetta
Manaskie
Finch
Markey
Laskey

Valentine, if he had played all 3 years--fantastic  freshman('69)

This list leaves off a lot of good players and some of my favorites to watch.
Some left off the list were inconsistent from game to game.

17 more days
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 02, 2005, 12:50:57 AM
Being a fan of the Dips & D3 basketball for about 28 years may make me a relative newcomer but I'll throw out my top 10-12 in approximate order of positive long term appreciation of excellence & thrill.

1. Donny Marsh !! (best ever) Led 1979 squad to 1st Final Four
2. Chris Finch, very versatile led team to 50+ romp over Ramapo in '91 FF Semi
3. Al Taylor, a flash of him pick-pocketing Lester Wallace to beat WMC at buzzer
4. Terry Scott, steady, tough & dependable
5. Denny Westley, being triple teamed by Widener while playing with pneumonia
6. Ed Plakans, alternating chants of "Eddie" by F&M & Platteville fans in '91 final
7. Brad Markey, led charge to near 30-point comeback at So. Maine in '89 E8 tilt
8. Matt Steinmetz, his nearly upsetting Princeton in OT almost by himself
9. Mehaffey/Henry, "Beach Boy & Lefty" led '96 juggernaut past Wilkes to FF
10. Jerome Maiatico, scholar athlete & flashy scorer that was key to '00 FF run

Many great memories & players not discussed for lack of room. More recent player who only played one year as freshman but would likely have had a great career was Kelleher who ran superb point for 1996 super team. A special mention of the last second heroics of Phil Hoeker & clutch technical free throw made by Art Mascolo to beat D1 Colgate in '87.

A trip down Dip memory lane is something that isn't often done here. Enjoyed it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 05, 2005, 11:08:36 PM
Agreed, it would have been nice to see Chris Kelliher develop over 4 years.  His stifling defense set the table for everything that '96 team accomplished and gave opposing guards absolute fits (see: Lycoming and Wilkes in NCAAs).  Didn't score much, but didn't have to with Henry and Mehaffey there.  A really fun a player to watch if you like good defense.

As for this year, Ursinus fans must be excited.  Not many players like McGarvey out there, and he has quite a cast to help him.  Many questions for teams such as Hopkins and F&M, but they will soon be answered.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on November 06, 2005, 09:29:21 AM
Hopkins may be in the thick of things. They lack a good point guard since Frank Mason is no longer playing but they return 3 or 4 good players in the 2 to 5 spots. They also brought in a 6'10" freshman that was getting some looks from some Patriot league schools. If he can make an impact they could be very tough as they have Nawrocki(sp?) back. He's big 6'6"240 lbs. and has good hands. They also have some good outside shooters. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on November 07, 2005, 12:56:33 PM
My prediction of the results for the CC pre-season coaches poll.

1. Ursinus
2. Hopkins
3. F&M
4.Gettysburg
5.Haverford
6.Muhlenberg
7. Dickinson
8. Washington
9. McD
10. Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 07, 2005, 04:53:35 PM
Swish-

Interesting picks.  Ursinus should be the clear favorite.  F&M usually gets good marks in the CC preseason poll because of Robinson's consistency, but I agree that Hopkins should be higher than the Dips at this point with the return of Nawrocki et al.  F&M has too many questions - especially in the post - to be considered any higher than third.

Something tells me Muhlenberg will be good this year.  They lost some scoring, but Stewart is a terrific scorer and rebounder with some solid role players around him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on November 07, 2005, 05:28:36 PM
Even though they beat F&M last year I don't expect Muhlenberg to be a real contender. Stewart is excellent. After that the rest of the players are mediocre,
I see F&M as being very strong at the 1,3 and 4. We should be OK at the two. And although center is a question mark there are two or three players that have some talent. It's just a matter of one of them stepping up.
Looking at F&M this year I think we'll see a team with decent size and better than average athletes. I'd also say I think we have pretty good depth at the 3 and 4.
By the way, Ursinus is the team to beat but they are not unbeatable.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 11, 2005, 08:47:04 AM
One week until tip-off.
Bring on GMC.
Can't wait to see what F&M has.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: localfan on November 15, 2005, 09:35:34 AM
Guess I'll try this again. Somehow my last post ended up on the football page. Sorry about that.
Anyway, This upcoming "Pride of Maryland" tournament this weekend looks very interesting. Washington opens up with Hood College, which is only in its third year but has some good talent. Hopkins and McDaniels open up against Salisbury and Frostburg respectively. Could end up with an old fashion Hopkins/Goucher game for the championship game on Sunday.
I feel that since this tourny is at the start of the season, it's wide open and anyone can win it. I look for a few upsets on Friday and Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 15, 2005, 12:55:14 PM
F&M's team roster is finally up on the their team homepage. I am a bit worried that it appears the team will not have a strong inside game this year.  It looks like Josh Fogg (at 200 #) will be playing at center. He was always a nice off the bench role or fill-in player, solid but was not usually able to score much. The only player with size back is Hines who looked promising in the early going last year, but after he got a concussion he didn't play much & when he did his play was not as sharp as it was before he got hurt.
I have doubts that any of the newcomers are going to be big parts of squad. The transfer from Randolph Macon looks like he was the last bench player on a RMC team that had a sub-par year. Little turns up in media searches of the freshman players to indicate a frosh class that will help the team this year.
Smith is outstanding, Outerbridge is very good. Teschke should benefit from last years starting experience. I have high hopes for Leonard as his athleticism impressed me last year. Chasen may also show progress from getting PT last year.
In summery this team has some potential to be good (win 18-19 games or so) but has  weakness in the inside muscle department. Ursinus lost only 2 players from a strong team both of whom seldom scored any points. With the improvement I expect from the other players they are the prohibitive favorite & should win around 22 games if no injuries. Hopkins should also win 17 or so games and has the type of team that could give Dips a heap of trouble. Other teams like G-berg & Mules will contend with Haverford (Black Squirrels should not be quite as strong this season) for last playoff spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on November 15, 2005, 04:36:48 PM
I've only heard a few bits and pieces about the state of the team at this point but here's what I know. They do have injuries to some key players. Don't know if any of these are season ending but I wouldn't be surprised.

The middle will probably be handled by committee(Fogg and Hines). We're fairly deep at the 1-4 positions with two or three good guards and three or four good forwards.

My gut tells me this team will pull it together slowly as long as nobody tries to be a superstar. They truly have to play as a TEAM this year. I don't think they played that way last year at all.

They may be a little light in the middle but really have all the other ingredients I believe. They can play "D; they can handle the ball; they can shoot pretty well from the outside and they can rebound (remember Smith was one of the leading rebouders in the league last year).

I think we're going to see a totally different kind of F&M team this year (in terms of style of play). It may not happen the first weekend but I am certain nobody will want any part of F&M(even though we will probably be the second or third seed) come conference play-off time.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 15, 2005, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: swish on November 15, 2005, 04:36:48 PM
I am certain nobody will want any part of F&M (even though we will probably be the second or third seed) come conference play-off time.

That's a pretty bold statement to be making in November, especially given how many questions - and, according to you, injuries - surround the Dips. 

Point taken about the talent in the backcourt and on the wing.  I agree.  But I've also seen a few talented F&M teams peak in midseason and not play their best come late February.  So how can you be certain?

Robinson's system demands that the Dips work the ball inside effectively.  With so many question marks in the post, I don't think anyone can say for sure how good this team will be until we see how these guys play together for a few games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on November 15, 2005, 06:16:24 PM
Maybe "certain" was too strong a word. How about confident?

What I was really getting at is that  although F&M will probably not be as good as they were the past few years, I think other teams know that even on a down year G-Rob has a way of getting a lot out of his teams. With G-Rob and a core of very good players they become a tough team even as a low seed and can beat almost anybody.

And by the way, a down year for F&M this year could be 19-6.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: heartofachampion on November 15, 2005, 09:30:25 PM
I don't think anyone will beat Ursinus for the conf title.  I think F&M is the third best team behind Ursinus and Hopkins, and that might be generous from what people are saying about this years frosh class.  I hope I am wrong, but this could be a down year for my dear old F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 16, 2005, 06:54:56 PM
The 2005-06 Centennial Conference Basketball Prospectus is now available online at http://www.centennial.org/basketball/prospectus .  The Prospectus includes the coaches preseason poll, which tabs Ursinus as the favorite to defend its 2006 title. It has rosters, stats, schedules and all the facts and figures that a Centennial basketball fan could want entering the new season.  We hope you enjoy the prospectus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on November 18, 2005, 11:19:28 AM
I hope Ursinus can start the season with a win tonight against NYU.  I have not heard anything about their new recruits but they do return all 5 starters.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: localfan on November 19, 2005, 09:06:34 AM
The Centenial Conference teams off to a good start in the Pride of Maryland tourny. 3 wins and no losses. Today, Washington takes on Villa Julie, while Hopkins faces Mcdaniels.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 19, 2005, 11:26:25 PM
Poor rebounding killed F&M in tonight's overtime loss to Trinity.  The Dips had a chance to win with a few seconds remaining in regulation but couldn't get a clean look.

The bottom line was that Trinity got loads of second chance points.  Tyler Rhoten was very impressive.  For F&M, it was a disappointing way to end an incredible offensive performace by Brandon Smith (33 points).

Although Robinson is still trying to figure out what he has, there's potential for this team to be very good.

A win over a NESCAC team would have been good for the CC, but F&M was just unable to close it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 20, 2005, 12:24:29 AM
Pride of MD scores from Saturday

Semifinals

Hopkins  88
McDaniel 80

VJC 100
Washington 93     (2OT)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 20, 2005, 10:04:24 PM
Pride of Maryland Final from Sunday

Finals

VJC 81  (OT)
JHU 78

Anthony Fitzgerald wins MVP

Third Place Game

McDaniel   91
Washington  85

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 10:10:38 AM
RWMcN -

Are you saying that F&M ran out of gas?  Didn't have the depth?  How were they uable to 'close it out?'
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 22, 2005, 12:32:38 PM
F&M got beat on the boards.  They will need to get more aggressive underneath and not allow themselves to be dominated.
The guards played well, but need to get more involved in the offense.  Outerbridge was the only one forcing the offense from the guard position.
Smith played well but allowed the officiating to get under his skin.
Yost, Teschke. and Hines need to be more physical, but the potential is there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 22, 2005, 01:47:59 PM
C-

F&M didn't "run out of gas."  I think they have good depth, especially in the backcourt and on the wing.

The problem vs. Trinity was rebounding.  As Reserved Seat said, they got beat on the boards, especially late in the game.  Tyler Rhoten and the Trinity big guys got the job done and F&M's post players didn't.

The Dips are an inexperienced bunch inside.  Hines and Teschke may not be Juskin and Lynch, but they do some things well.  Yost, the 6-6 soph. transfer from Randolph-Macon, is going to be a very good player.  But F&M will probably have a few growing pains against teams with experienced big men.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 06:21:05 PM
Thanks for the clarification guys.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on November 22, 2005, 10:57:13 PM
Ugly win for F&M tonight over Juniata, despite the 82-60 final score.  26 turnovers is absurd.  Even the 40-26 rebounding advantage is misleading because Juniata missed so many more shots than F&M.

I held off on posting after the first 2 games because I didn't know what to make of the team.  Well, I still don't.  I'm not sure I see quite as much potential as some other posters have noted.  The inside guys simply don't have the size or strength to compete defensively against some frontcourts.  They're getting pushed out of position consistently, making the entry passes easy, and I'm not sure how much they can improve that.  I think their rebounding will continue to suffer because of this as well.

On offense, neither Hines nor Yost seems to be able to finish around the hoop.  Yost's inability to go up strong is particularly frustrating because the rest of his game looks pretty good.  Also, the guard depth, which should be a strength, has been disappointing.  Outerbridge and Smith have been very good (although Smith may be forcing the issue too much), but no one else has stepped up.  Chasen has looked lost.  Hopefully he just needs more time to come all the way back from his injury (anybody know the details of that, by the way?).

Maybe I'm just being too impatient.  I can see how this team could be very good against some types of teams, but they will struggle all year against teams with strong frontcourts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 27, 2005, 04:51:42 PM
CC halftime scores:
Ursinus 29 LVC 20 (Bears sporting balanced attack)
F&M 44 SWAT 30
Dips ahead in what sounds like an ugly, sloppy contest. One highlight is Leonard pacing the way with 14, hitting some trifectas. In spite of not being pretty, a win will still get Coach Robinson win # 700.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 27, 2005, 06:06:05 PM
Ursinus handles LVC apparently 70-46. I thought this might be a barometer on the 2 conferences between 2 post season contenders, but it's hard to judge as it looks like Dutchmen couldn't make anything from anywhere. They've got to be better than that, plus Bears may well be quite strong.
Dips give Robinson his 700th win by only 12 points, but the performance was seemingly hideous. Too many turnovers & being outrebounded & outscored inside by SWAT may be a unfortunate harbinger for this season.
I now will guess F&M has little or no chance to win at Bream this Tuesday & should be solidly favored to lose at LVC (who was humbled by Ursinus today) in their difficult confines. I now downgrade my prediction for the Dips to 16-10 & 4th place in CC, it would be the worst finish since 1997. What do those who actually saw the debacle think?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 27, 2005, 08:37:41 PM
Another milestone for Robinson.  Well done, coach.  Consistency at such a high level for three decades is unequaled in Division III.

Now for the bad news.  No doubt Robinson has seen some ugly wins among his 700, but this was really awful.  Yes, this is a young team, and they're trying to fit the pieces together.  But ZERO assists from the starting backcourt?  And the inside game was yet again non-existent.  Everyone could have played better today.

Gettysburg coach George Petrie was spotted in the Mayser bleachers, and he must have been licking his chops after scouting that performance by F&M.  It will be a tall task for the Dips to win in Bream on Tuesday.  Ursinus will win this conference going away.

Again, congrats to Robinson, but this one was ugly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 27, 2005, 08:43:46 PM
Above post should read "zero assists from starting point guard."  Leonard, who replaced Paulauskas as the shooting guard, had two assists.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 27, 2005, 11:40:53 PM
Mr. Mxyztplk (great handle, by the way):

I think Ursinus-Albright or maybe even Ursinus-Widener would be a better gauge of Centennial-vs-MAC playoff contenders.  We'll see how well Leb Val fares following the graduation of their All-Amercian, JD Beyers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 28, 2005, 12:32:17 AM
Gordon, it does look like those would be great match-ups. Neither has lost a game yet. Both have one nice win. Widener @ Lyco & Albright putting on a frenetic comeback to hold off the talented Lincoln "Road Warriers" @ home. LVC, Juniata, E-town & Messiah are likely vying for the remaining spots. Does not look like Ursinus has any serious challengers in the Centennial (Maybe JHU). BY mid-January things should be more clear.
Ursinus has only two remaining out of conference challenges in York (PA) & Trinity (CT), but they are games that could be quite interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 28, 2005, 07:07:01 AM
RW McN -

Got to agree with you.  This is not a top tier team.  Plus when you figure F&M's traditional struggles on the road against top conference competitors, you can look to possible losses at GBurg, JHU and Ursinus.

Congratulations to GRob on putting together a consistently winning program for a long time.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: beantown on November 28, 2005, 04:58:04 PM
McDaniel looks ok so far- any thoughts on the Terror.  It sounds like Flynn is a good job
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 29, 2005, 10:15:48 PM
Haverford 66-Muhl 63. In a borderline upset, perhaps a factor was Stewert fouling out in a game that went down to the wire.
In a bit of a stunner to me F&M 73-Gburg 61 at Hen Bream where Bullets are usually tough. Dips open up big lead and withstand apparent 3 point second half barrage & several runs by game home team. Bullets recently played an excellent game @ # 6 York and only lost a close contest by nine. I didn't think this would be an F&M game to win based on lackluster efforts in last two games.
If GRob can get this team to NCAAs it might be his best coaching job to date. Admittedly G-burg doesn't have the best inside game in the CC, but if they can compete with York on the road they must be decent. Tough contest in the backyard brawl in Annville on Thursday. It should be my first trip to Duthmen's new gym if nothing goes wrong for me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 29, 2005, 11:12:29 PM
If Robinson can get the effort under the boards, F&M should be able to hang with most teams.  Consistent work in the back court will be a key.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on November 30, 2005, 12:04:29 AM
Well, F&M still hasn't played a good 40 minutes, but their first 8 minutes tonight were awfully impressive, as they started the game with a 23-3 run.  Outerbridge bombed some REALLY deep 3s, while Teschke and Hines both hit some nice mid-range jumpers.  After F&M's intitial outburst, Gburg responded with a 10-point run of their own, but Logan had a great behind-the-back assist to Fogg on a fast break to end that particular Gburg rally.  If Smith hadn't been so cold (4-11, 0-3 3s, 1-4 FT), F&M might have been able to put the game away earlier.  Nonetheless, it was nice to see they could withstand Gburg's rallies.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on November 30, 2005, 01:21:08 AM
You can never doubt Grob and the Dips.  Hopefully, they will continue to grow as a team bc they seem to have lot of depth and GRob seems to be able to put a lot of interchangable lineups on the floor.

I think once this kid Yost is comfortable in the system he will be force especially down low and on the boards.  The one game i saw he seemed to have a nice mid range.

Long season but a nice win where the crowd is usually pretty tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on November 30, 2005, 09:12:47 AM
I disagree with a few comments made about F&M. First of all, they did play a full 40 minutes last night. I'm not sure what people expect. Are they supposed to continue playing the whole game like they did the first 10-15 minutes. If they had, the score would have been 64- 18. They played in one of the toughest away venues in the CC and never gave up the lead and won by 12.
This is a VERY young team. At one point last night they had five players on the court at the same time of which NONE had significant playing time until this year. I believe it was three sophmores and two juniors.
Lastly, go ahead and give Grob credit - he's a great coach. But you might want to look at the heart of some of these players. They are 4-1 losing in overtime to a very good Trinity team. Like GRob says - he doesn't dribble, rebound or shoot the ball. The credit for this win goes to the players. They fought the whole way for this one and THEY are the reason F&M won last night.
I don't know if this team of all underclassmen (except for one senior) will make it to the NCAA' tournement but like I said before the season started - come CC tournement time I guarantee you the last team Ursinus will want to meet in the finals is F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on November 30, 2005, 05:28:03 PM
Swish, when I said they hadn't played a good 40 minutes yet, I didn't at all mean they didn't play hard for the whole game.  The problem is, they still had 16 turnovers, they were still outrebounded, and they were only 18 of 30 from the free throw line.  They won because they played hard, particularly on defense, and made their shots.  That's great, and they can win a lot of games that way, but until they take better care of the ball and really get after it on the glass, I just don't see how they can beat a team with the size that Ursinus has.  After watching F&M last night I know they can hang with anyone else in the conference, but Ursinus presents such a match-up problem that I just don't see it yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 30, 2005, 09:51:34 PM
Fritzdis, Swish, et. al. -

I agree that the Ursinus front line may cause match-up problems. However, my impression is that they are significantly slower than F&M.

Really, I am more worried about their all-american guard.  :(I am not sure who on the Dips can stay with him and limit his offensive production and assists to the big men!

Thoughts anyone? Feel free to respond. Regards to all. GO Dips!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on November 30, 2005, 10:58:49 PM
diplomaniac,

I haven't actually seen Ursinus play this season, so maybe I'm giving their front line too much credit, but I was impressed by what I saw of them last year.  Sure, they're slower than Teschke (not sure about Hines, since he's not the swiftest big man I've ever seen), but they seemed to position themselves well to make up for it (remember this is just from what I saw last year).  Even if they don't score a lot, I think their rebounding will give F&M headaches.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on December 01, 2005, 03:43:03 PM
Ursinus beat Washington last night 82 - 73.  Shattuck continues to play well.  He had 18 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks , and a steal.  McGarvey added 13 points and 14 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on December 01, 2005, 08:24:42 PM
Eric,

The guards from Ursinus (especially McGarvey) are outstanding. But we have good guards as well. My opinion is that F&M would have to play an almost flawless game to beat Ursinus. But it can be done.
Interestingly enough , the score of the Washington-Ursinus game last night was tied 44-44 at the half. I think that says something about both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on December 01, 2005, 09:47:02 PM
Final-

F&M 69 - Lebanon Valley 55
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 01, 2005, 11:22:56 PM
Non-conference road win for F&M in Annville.  Dips improve to 2-0 in the new LVC gym after becoming first team to beat the Dutchmen in their new confines two seasons ago.

I was a bit shocked to see a Brad MacAlester-coached LVC team play such an undisciplined game.  I can't remember seeing the Valley play so poorly, especially at home.  The Dutchmen lack a go-to player like they've had so often in the past, making a comeback in this game unlikely - even as F&M left the door open by missing foul shots and making some poor decisions late in the game.

The new LVC gym is nice, but it's no Lynch.  The creaky old wood bleachers and tight quarters that helped make Lynch such a difficult place to play are now a distant memory.  That old gym won't be missed by many opposing teams, but I always enjoyed the electric environment it provided for such a terrific rivalry.

Lynch, by the way, is now a combination student coffee lounge/academic building.  It was surreal to walk in there after tonight's game and remember the great F&M-LVC games that took place where computer labs, offices, and coffee machines now exist.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on December 02, 2005, 09:52:01 AM
That really was a tough place to play especially with Panko on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2005, 06:03:36 PM
R. W. -

I agree the atmosphere and most of the games were electric. However, I don't miss being crammed into narrow bleachers at Lynch with no room for size twelve shoes or the stiffness for two days afterwards caused by sitting on those uncomfortable seats!  Sorry about that.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 02, 2005, 08:11:59 PM
Eric,

Sitting on uncomfortable seats and being crammed into narrow bleachers is what D-III basketball is all about!  Seriously, I see your point - but I like old gyms like Mayser and Lynch.  They provide a unique atmosphere you don't find anywhere else.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 03, 2005, 06:45:05 PM
Folks -

If I read the Centennial Conference website correctly and if it is accurate, there was a beig upset today: McDaniel 79 and Ursinus 77. Does anyone have any game details? Please advise via postings.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: beantown on December 03, 2005, 07:07:15 PM
That is true.  McDaniel one it at the busser on a shot from senior Co-Captain Mike Dipeiero.  Also the terror were missing senior co-captain Chris Rustland with an Injury.  The terror got within one with 30 seconds left on a 3-pointer from 30 feet out from Joe Hunter, and then the Ursinus player missed the one and one free-throw which the Terror rebounded and Dipiero won it at the buzzer.  What a great 1st game at the Gill Center for Bob Flynn and his staff.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 05, 2005, 10:56:58 AM
Folks -

Here is a link to an interesting article which appeared in this week's Lancaster Sunday News. The focus of the article is a local Lancaster athlete. However, there is substantial coverage of Dennis Stanton as well. Seems like he is in pretty good company among the three americans on that team.

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/19034

Enjoy!. Regards to all.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on December 05, 2005, 04:10:24 PM
Check out the Centennial Conference website.  Some very interesting articles on Haverford College and the role of athletics.  Very surprising quote by a professor and graduated student athlete. 

Would never consider going to Haverford after reading that article.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 05, 2005, 04:38:35 PM
Amish:

If an academically rigorous venue such as Haverford can get a field hockey goalie because it needs one, just imagine the shenanigans and machinations at a "lesser" institution that just happens to need a rifle-arm quarterback or a 6-9 forward who can shoot and rebound (and I'm not talking just about the other Centennial colleges  ;)).

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 06, 2005, 09:03:10 AM
Warren -

Any MAC schools in particular you are thinking of?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 06, 2005, 09:15:17 AM
Coach C:

You really think I'd name them here in public? Not only would I be "karmaed" into utter nothingness, my computer would melt from all the Flammenposten.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on December 06, 2005, 10:02:59 AM
Do you think Ursinus is still the team to beat after winning a close game against Washington at home and then losing to McDaniel?  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on December 06, 2005, 11:50:36 AM
Absolutely!!! I think the two things that game tells us is that there is not a big difference between the upper level teams and traditional lower tier teams. That means that on any given night... Also, it tells you Ursinus is beatable. They are still the team to beat but they're not Larry Bird's Celtics.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 06, 2005, 01:20:01 PM
WT -

I have given up posting based on potential karma issues.  If i worried about what i was saying, I would never post.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 06, 2005, 04:17:08 PM
Coach C:

Note the  :P  in my post above .... Of course, the promiscuity of the Negative Karmites is to be ignored.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on December 06, 2005, 11:19:46 PM
Amazing stat of the night:
Dickinson shoots 3 for 16 FROM THE FREE THROW LINE.  AND WINS!  Going 8 for 15 from 3 point land certainly helped them overcome one of the worst nights from the free throw line you'll probably ever see.

Less than amazing stat of the night:
F&M shoots 21 of 64 (32.8%) from the field, their lowest field goal percentage since 1/14/02 (30.2% at Lebanon Valley) and their lowest home field goal percentage since an identical 21 for 64 night against Muhlenberg on 2/21/01.  They also only hit 3 of 20 (15%) three point attempts, their worst three point percentage since 2/1/03 (2 for 15, 12.5% at Washington College), and their worst home three point percentage since a 1 for 9 (11.1%) performace against Gettysburg on 1/13/01.

F&M got outhustled most of the first half.  It was, despite a higher shooting percentage (37%) than the second half (29.7%), one of the more pathetic halves of basketball F&M has played in quite a while.  On their 17 missed shots, they managed only 3 offensive rebounds, while Dickinson got 7 offensive rebounds on the same number of missed shots (including free throw misses).  Speaking of free throw misses, Dickinson's 1 for 9 performance from the line in the first half was the only thing that kept F&M close.  F&M's offense was completely out of sync, while the defense did very little to disrupt Dickinson's offense.

F&M showed more intensity in the second half, particularly in the rebounding department (13 offensive rebounds on 29 missed shots), but they couldn't buy a shot.  The deficit and Dickinson's quick defense may have had the shooters rattled, but it just seemed like nothing would go down.  Brandon Smith and Adam Leonard combined to go 0 for 13 from the field (0 for 7 from deep) in the second half.  That they were able, in the face of their horrendous shooting, to eventually close the gap and make the game competitive is about the only encouraging thing to come from the loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on December 07, 2005, 01:13:49 AM
Quote from: fritzdis on December 06, 2005, 11:19:46 PM
Amazing stat of the night:
Dickinson shoots 3 for 16 FROM THE FREE THROW LINE.  AND WINS!  Going 8 for 15 from 3 point land certainly helped them overcome one of the worst nights from the free throw line you'll probably ever see.

As amazing as that stat is - and it may have been the stat of that game - I don't think it's the stat of the night in the conference ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 02:35:06 AM
No, probably not. Although I'll put that stat on the front page, there's another one already there that trumps it, in my mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on December 10, 2005, 06:34:12 PM
Cant believe F&M lost again to Haverford 74-70 in OT.  Anyone see the game to know what the heck happened
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 10, 2005, 07:36:46 PM
Wasn't there, but the box score has 26 turnovers for the Dips.  Not going to beat many teams at any level playing like that.  I'm not sure if the problem is inexperience, or if F&M just doesn't have the talent to win this year.  It's a legitimate question at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 10, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
No Schadenfreude from this LVC fan (most of the time, I'm too old for such) ... but what on earth is going on with the Dips?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: FordFan on December 10, 2005, 11:46:44 PM
To the F & M fans who are wondering what the HECK happened tonight against Haverford.  Haverford won the game because they are better than F & M.  They have a young team, but a very experienced backcourt led by point guard John Elefterakis.  They are only getting better, especially with the freshmen beginning to contribute and playing significant minutes. (Ben McDowell, Dave Nowacki and Greg Rosnick)  After getting down early,  17 points, Haverford went on a monster run, and really showed a lot of toughness.  F & M is overrated this year and so is  Brandon Smith.  He is out of shape and is certainly not an all-american, especially with the defense that he plays.  Outerbridge is solid, but Elefterakis is clearly the better player, and took advantage of him in the second half.  With the game on the line, Outerbridge had the ball taken from him by Elefterakis.  The conference is definitely up for grabs this year, but don't count Haverford out.  They have one of the toughest point guards in the country and an inexperienced, but highly capable, cast of talented players.  This should be an interesting year, but I think that Haverford deserves some credit after this win against an obviously down, but still very solid and good F & M team.       
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on December 11, 2005, 06:02:39 AM
Listen, I'm the first to say (as you can see by reading my previous posts) that F&M has problems this year, but to say Haverford is better than F&M because Haverford won an OVERTIME game AT HOME is premature.  Haverford got demolished at Gettysburg, where F&M managed to pull out a win.  Two of Haverford's three wins so far are at home (and the third is a neutral site win), and this is a team that was 8-1 at home in conference play last year but 4-5 on the road.

You want to talk about youth?  F&M starts 2 sophomores, their first big man off the bench is a sophomore transfer, and 2 of the 3 guards they regularly bring off the bench are sophomores.  That leaves a lot of room for improvement through experience.

As for Brandon Smith, I believe that he is trying too hard to carry this team.  He tries to play all-out every minute of every game, and when he can't harness his energy, it leads to poor decisions from trying too hard to make something happen.  The problem for him is finding a way to limit that recklessness without taking away the relentless effort that makes him such a good player.  My hope is that the more he trusts in his teammates, the better his decision making will get.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on December 11, 2005, 10:09:16 AM
Fordfan-

Fritzdis did a nice job responding to your post. He neglected to talk about your comments about Elefterakis and Outerbridge. Right now there is only one point guard in the CC better than Outerbridge and that is McGarvey. One play doesn't make a whole season (at least not this time of year). Elefterakis scored "0" points in the first half. Outerbridge completely shut him down. Finally after throwing up ten three's, three of them went in. That's 30% which is not only horrible but is what Elefterakis is shooting for the season. Outerbridge scored more points (17 vs.14), shot 50% from behind the arc and stole the ball from Elefterakis two or three times. There's a long way to go in this season so I wouldn't get too excited about the Fords just yet. And by the way, I guarantee F&M will be ahead of Haverford in the standings at the end of the season - when it counts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: FordFan on December 11, 2005, 01:22:21 PM
Do you really believe that Outerbridge is a better point guard than Elefterakis?  Are you making that judgement based solely on statistics?  Elefterakis will soon be second all-time in the Centennial Conference in assists.  Not to mention that Elefterakis' role at Haverford is far different than Outerbridge's role at F & M.  It's not hard to shoot 40% when you get wide open threes.  If you watched Elefterakis on a consistent basis, I think you'd find that defenses do not sag off of him, or leave him open ever, and so he is often forced to create his own shot. 
You made a good point that Outerbridge had a good first half and that Elefterakis had a good second half.  To be honest, I like a point guard who has better second halves, can step it up when it counts, and can lead his team to victory, rather than a point guard who has a good first half, but then gets shut down in the second half.  I don't want to turn this into a negative debate when in fact we have two good point guards.  I was just trying to say that Elefterakis outplayed Outerbridge when it counted and that led to a win for the Fords.  It is still very early to determine how the standings will turn out, but don't count Haverford out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on December 11, 2005, 01:51:49 PM
When you say teams never sag on Elefterakis that is what you call good defense..That is how Outerbridge shut him down in the first half. Outerbridge on the other hand played a very consistent game scoring 8 points in the first and 7 points in the second half. And as far as you liking a player who comes through when it counts- go back to last March to the CC semi-final game between Haverford and F&M..There are no more do or die games than that. You win and you keep playing-you lose and you go home. Outerbridge held Elefterakis to 7 points for the whole game and get this "0" points in the second half. When it really counted. F&M 73 - Haverford.71. I didn't want to get into this but you were the one who said Elefterakis is "clearly" better than Outerbridge. They are both very good players but  I would bet if given the choice between the two most coaches in the league would pick Outerbridge without giving it a second thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: FordFan on December 11, 2005, 02:31:11 PM
If all of the coaches would pick Outerbridge, how come Elefterakis was picked by the COACHES second team all centennial conference last year?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on December 11, 2005, 02:43:44 PM
There was no way F&M was going to get more than three players on the all-CC teams. That only happens when a team is so dominant that they only lose a few games during the season. As it turned out the three players that made it for F&M were all outstanding players with two being seniors and one being a junior. Outerbridge was only a sophmore. I don't think Elefterakis made the all-CC team as a sophmore, did he?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on December 11, 2005, 06:08:35 PM
Regardless of whether or not it's hard to shoot 40% when you're taking wide open 3s, Outerbridge is currently 22 for 45, which is 48.9%, and that ain't easy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 11, 2005, 06:19:35 PM
R. W., Swish, Frtizdis, & Warren -

I did make it to see the Haverford game on Saturday - only my second game of the season. Some general comments: I think the talent is there for the Dips. However, they are still fairly inexperienced and are still learning to play as a unit. Another concern is that they don't yet maintain their intensity for a full forty minutes - they still haven't played a complete game yet. They have a tendancy to let up we they get large leads. Also youthful teams are more likely to lose road games.

The offense at time appears to be stagnant - too many players without the ball standing still! You have to want the ball and go get it. While I like Logan's shot, I am also not sure that Outerbridge will ever be a floor general like Janetta, Markey, etc. At key times, no one seems to want to take a shot. I agree with the earlier observations about turnovers - 20+/game is not true Diplomat basketball.

Particular attention needs to be given to playing tight defense throughout the entire contest. If the team does this, other good things will follow. In other words, defense should be first and foremost.

The team's overall three-point shooting (other than Logan) is really inconsistent. This leads to an over-reliance on the inside game. Very few points have been made off of the drive or on 12' to 15' pull-up jumpers. Although lack of consistent rebounding limits it, the team doesn't seem to run very much. I think they have the depth and speed to do so. There is also a very heavy reliance on Brandon Smith and when opponents shut him down, the enitre offense suffers. More attention must be given to foul-shooting.

Specifically, Outerbridge must take much better care of the ball. Tescke needs to shoot more and be more prepared to deal with the physical game - spend some time in the weight room. I really expected big things from Adam Leonard this year and I am somewhat disappointed so far. Perhaps, his leg injury is affecting him more than we know. I also see several fingers on the right hand are taped together. That will certainly hamper shooting! Brandon Smith needs to not press as much and let the game come to him more. As a transfer, Yost needs to continue to learn the system - particularly on the defensive end. Kudos to McCaffey for his hustle and defensive effort.

Needs: Fewer Turnovers, Better Foul-Shooting, More Movement Without the Ball, Rebounding, Forty Minutes of CONCENTRATION and INTENSITY, Less Reliance on Smith, More Offensive Contributions from the Bench.

Any Thoughts? Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 11, 2005, 06:28:19 PM
Folks -

I was very impressed with Haverford's new athletic center and arena! It is a fry cry from the old one - much better lighting, more comfortable bleacher seats, a better shooting background, and better HVAC. Congrats on money well-spent.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 11, 2005, 07:08:26 PM
R. W., Swish, Fritzdis, & Warren -

Here is one other item that I left out of my earlier post - quickness. I think that many Diplomats are faster than their opponents and have a quick first step. In my mind, they should utilize it more and drive or slash to the hoop more often. Other than Smith and Outerbridge who have consistently showed their quickness, this group would include Teschke, Leonard, Yost, and McCaffrey. I am still not sure about Hines' foot speed.

This also could be one of those years when the Centennial Conference is moe balanced from top to bottom!

Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on December 12, 2005, 09:19:16 AM
Question for FordFan -

Did Bass graduate last year?  I thought this would be his Senior season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: FordFan on December 12, 2005, 12:21:32 PM
Bass did not graduate, he is still a senior at the college.  He wanted to play intramural volleyball while in the basketball season and the coaches as well as the team did not think this was an appropriate amount of dedication to the team and as a result, they parted ways.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on December 12, 2005, 04:13:29 PM
that is a very interesting move. Dont see that everyday
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 12, 2005, 05:17:51 PM
Today's major announcement of the new conference involving current CAC, MAC, and Skyline institutions will give a new look to the Mid-Atlantic Region.  The MAC and CAC will have to find new members and/or undergo restructuring with implications for NCAA automatic qualifiers and the like.  It appears that the Centennial's stability is the only sure thing in this region at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on December 12, 2005, 06:52:42 PM
Here's a look at some F&M history - to put things in a little perspective I give you the year, overall record, and starters by class.

1995-96 (29-3) 3sr.;1jr.;1soph.

1996-97 (11-13) 2sr.;2jr.;1fr.

1997-98 (14-11) 2sr.;1jr.;1soph.;1fr.

1998-99 (22-5) 1sr.;2jr.;1soph.;1fr. (the freshman was Alex Kraft)

1999-00 (25-7) 3sr.;2soph.

2000-01 (18-7) 2jr.;1soph.;2fr. (this team included Duran Searles,Steve Juskin, Cas Thomas and Alex Kraft- each became an all-american before their carreer was over)

2001-02 (24-5) 2sr.;1jr.;2soph. (this is the same team as the previous year)

2002-03 (25-5) 2sr.;3jr.

2003-04 (26-4) 3sr.;1jr.;1soph.

2004-05 (23-7) 2sr.;1jr.;2soph.

2005-06 (5-3) 1sr.;2jr.;2soph.

Besides this season there has been only one year in the last ten when F&M started only one senior. That other year they had Alex Kraft who was a freshman but I'm sure didn't play like one.

We are a young team. We will get better as the season progresses and should have a very good team next year. We have two very tough games coming up, assuming we beat Mitchell. Alvernia is 5-1 (losing only to Lafayette) and Lincoln who hammered Randolph-Macon and beat two very good D2 teams. Even if we lose those two games I still wouldn't panick.. But I think we will win at least one. Keep the faith. Like I've said it's a long season.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 15, 2005, 11:01:52 AM
Intramural volleyball?  See, now that is why so many coaches have drinking problems.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Jin on December 19, 2005, 09:52:23 PM
Hello,

I am relatively new to this, as I am just moved to America from Korea. However, as a fan of Haverford basketball, I wood just like to say, John Elefterakis is very good,  and Dave Nowacki is very good basketball player. Bucknell very is talented as well.  They beat Haverford by a lott tonight. But that is OK. John Eleftrtakis and Michael Mucci are very good.

-Jin

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 20, 2005, 01:43:13 AM
Jin -

Yes - Coach Mucci does a great job with what he has at Haverford.  He is a classy guy running a classy program.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on December 20, 2005, 09:23:45 AM
F&M plays Alvernia tonight.  That should be a great game.  Has anyone had a chance to see Alvernia play this year?  Judging from their record, they are good but I don't know too much about their players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on December 21, 2005, 09:34:15 AM
Dips beat Alvernia last night in a very sloppy game.  Everyone seemed out of sync (first game back from finals).  Big win coming off of a two game losing streak but not going to get it done.  Apparently Alvernia was missing one of its best players.  Any truth to that?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 21, 2005, 09:49:19 AM
F&M rode a strong second half from Smith to beat Alvernia.  The Dips cut down on turnovers that have plagued them recently but still suffer from defensive lapses and poor shot selection.

Hines seems to be improving in the middle, at least offensively.  Teschke has lost his starting job.  He played only eight minutes, all in the first half.

I've never seen Elefterakis play (and therefore can't contribute to the earlier debate) but Outerbridge could certainly make better decisions late in games.  He's a good scorer, no question.  But he's not the type of floor general I think he could be.  He doesn't take command of the game when things are out of sync - like they were last night.  Maybe he will develop into a better leader on the floor, and maybe I'm being too hard because F&M has had a string of superb point guards.  But he's not there yet.

Alvernia didn't look like a team that gave Lafayette fits a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on December 22, 2005, 12:05:35 AM
I def. agree that F&M has had some exceptional PG's. and Outerbridge isnt there yet but I dont think you can overlook the fact that he has been the most consistent player F&M has had this year. Smith gets a lot of the publicity but has had a few bad games and has forced many shots as well as been in foul trouble a few times this year (probably trying to hard) but Outerbridge overall (O and D) has been the most consistent, while also playing the most minutes.

Happy Holidays to everyone.  Looking forward to after the New Year when the CC is in full stride.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 22, 2005, 09:01:20 AM
Since he did not start the Alvernia game, Teschke apparently must be in GRob's "doghouse". Anyone know why? Please advise. Thanks. Happy Holidays to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on December 22, 2005, 10:02:58 AM
Eric,
I'm don't think Teshke is in Grob's doghouse. I think at this point Grob is just trying to shake things up to see if a different  mix of players would work better .

My impression of the game.While I think the game was ugly, I think there were several positives. We kept the turn-overs down to 13 (good compared to other games) and that was against a very athletic team that pressed a good part of the second half. Smith didn't try to force too much-he let the game come to him- he played very well. Leonard also showed he can be a contributor on offense. We'll need that if we expect to go anywhere. Outerbridge was a little off tonight but came up big with free-throws when it counted. Also, I wouldn't get on him too much about his ability as a PG-remember he played a significant roll his freshman year in helping F&M get to the "Elite Eight" and last year as the regular starter. Hines played exceptional. He is a tough kid and showed it in this game. I think he has the most upside of anyone on the team. He just needs to develope a little better touch around the basket and learn to kick it out to the perimeter for an open three when the defense colapses on him and we are going to be tough to beat.

Lastly, I think the game was ugly because the refs never took control. I never complain about the refs but they were horrible for both teams. A couple of times two refs wanted to make opposite calls. They called liitle fouls then let obvious fouls slide. I think that is a big reason the game looked sloppy.

Should be interesting if we meet Lincoln next week. It will be our first game against a ranked team. I'm anxious to see how we do.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 22, 2005, 10:44:59 AM
Amish Allstar, swish-

Outerbridge has been a consistent player for F&M, but my point was more about whether he's "quarterbacking" the team he way I think he can.  Nobody can deny his ability to score, play defense, and hit big foul shots, but he doesn't take control of the game and assert himself the way a point guard of his ability should.  Sometimes I get the feeling he's waiting for somebody else to make a decision, but that's his job.

Swish, the reason I'm looking for such big things from Outerbridge is because of his potential.  I was impressed with his play off the bench during the Elite Eight run in '04, and a few times last year as a starter.  I believe Outerbridge is the key to how well the Dips gel after the new year.


Eric-

Some might say Teschke was playing out of position at the 4.  Since the Dips don't have many options in the post, I'm sure Robinson will find the right role for him after experimenting with different combinations.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on December 22, 2005, 11:03:12 AM
R.W.

After reading your initial post and the most recent I completely understand what you are saying.  I think he can and will do a better job as everyone becomes more comfortable in their roles.  As it has been said, this is a young team that is still trying to find itself.  I think Obrige maybe looking to Smith a little bit more then last year, where they had multiple options, to carry the team.  i think as the season progress Obridge will learn/understand that he is the second option (as of now) as far as scoring and will do a better job of playing like it. 

I think if Hines keeps developing he will be a very solid player.  Think him and tescke could both benefit from the weight room though and add more to their frame.

Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 22, 2005, 02:23:41 PM
swish:

I am also looking forward to a potential game between Lincoln and F&M.  Last year Lincoln missed the NCAA's due to two losses to NJCU.  Lincoln had to settle for an ECAC bid and play the top ranked Diplomats in Lancaster and the loss ended their season.  I'm hoping Coach Yuille has the Lions ready for their return to F&M, and hopefully the outcome will be different this year for Lincoln.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 30, 2005, 11:30:31 PM
...PROGRAMMING NOTE...

The newly established Centennial Conference Basketball Network (CCBN) broadcast Tuesday's night's game between Trinity College and Ursinus College live at www.broadcastmonsters.com.  The link will be available at that site on game day.

Pregame coverage begins at 7:15 PM with tip-off at 7:30 PM.  If you can't make the trip to Collegeville, please tune us in for the fun.

Programming on BroadcastMonsters.com requires Windows Media Player which is available for free download here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp).

Thanks and Happy New Year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 03, 2006, 12:27:20 PM
Some interesting CC tilts tonight. I will be interested to see how Ursinus does in Collegeville against Trinity (CT) in the aftermath of their recent failed upset attempt at York.
F&M tackles highly regarded Lincoln tonight. Looking at common scores & seeing both teams play I would make the Lions a 6-7 point favorite to get their 1st win over Dips since the Korean War. F&M is hard for me to understand this year with results like a horrible loss against less than ordinary Dickinson but also a nice inter-conference win over PAC top-dog & highly respected Alvernia.
I can't be in Lancaster until the Saturday Ursinus showdown & am a bit disappointed that the game @ F&M tonight isn't being broadcast on the net (at least UC-Trinity is).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2006, 06:58:45 PM
Trinity (Conn.) was delayed getting to Ursinus, so airtime is now 7:40, tipoff at 7:55.

http://www.broadcastmonsters.com
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on January 04, 2006, 09:40:16 AM
Trinity is a very good basketball team.  Ursinus could have won the game but they had a few costly turnovers at the end.  I would like to Ursinus take some better shots rather than rely on three pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 04, 2006, 11:43:04 AM
An amazing performance by Lincoln last night in Mayser Gym.  How did these guys lose three games?  Myrick and Wylie lived up to their billing as a top-notch backcourt as the Lions used a press to help cause 27 F&M turnovers.  Lincoln is a very well coached team that will go deep in NCAAs if they play like that in March.

Whenever F&M loses at home, you'd usually call it an upset, but this wasn't.  Lincoln was on another level.  Late in the second half, I think many F&M fans stopped worrying about the score and simply appreciated Lincoln's array of high-flying dunks and crisp passes.  People who opted to stay home and watch the Orange Bowl may have seen a good football game, but they missed seeing an excellent D-III basketball team in Lincoln.

F&M got another high-scoring game from Smith (33 points).

The Intell story:
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/19714
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 04, 2006, 03:02:46 PM
After reading some of the quotes from the Lincoln coach and players, I'm a little less disappointed by F&M's showing.  It sounds like Lincoln considered this game a bit of a milestone game for their program.  I'm sure the F&M players knew this was a big game, going against a ranked team, but when a team as talented as Lincoln finds some extra motivation like they may have had yesterday, they're going to be real tough to deal with.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on January 05, 2006, 09:39:53 AM
Wasnt at the game but heard some people say that this was one of the most athletic teams they have seen play @ Mayser.  Sounds like the just caused some matchup problems for F&M. 

Agree with yo Fritz, just read the article and it does seems like a milestone for the program.  Players and caoches very well quoted and seem like a solid focused group of young men.

Big game in Mayser this weekend. CC games back in action.  Dips need this one
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 05, 2006, 11:06:43 AM
I think the quoate form Lincoln's coach is a great one.  Is this a one game anomaly, or is this a sign of things to come in both programs?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on January 05, 2006, 12:53:51 PM
Dont know much about the Lincoln program except that they have some exceptional athletes.

From an F&M standpoint, I do not believe it is a path in that direction.  I think the Lincoln squad is unlike ANY in the Centennial and maybe even in D3 (being honest I dont see teams outside the CC and who F&M plays), in that they combine athletes with size and speed into one complete package.  Lincoln is simply the better team this year and I see them moving up in the rankings.  I think we need the CC to play out this year to determine the road the F&M's program is taking.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on January 05, 2006, 01:35:14 PM
Coach C & Amish Allstar:

I think Lincoln's Coach Yuille quote about the programs was interesting.  With that said, Lincoln has made dramatic strides in improving their Basketball program. 

Coach Byars, the long time Lincoln Basketball coach at Lincoln was not the person for the job.  Byars had a 7'2' freshman named Bunch who led the nation in block shots his freshman year (2004), and the team didn't really do anything.  Bunch transferred after his Freshman year to Monmouth (NJ) University, a D1 school.  Byars combined record in his last two years (2003-2004) was 17-32. 

Coach Yuille, a Lincoln Alumnus has a two year record (2005-2006) and "counting" of 34-10.  Additionally, Coach Yuille being a Philadelphia native (Overbrook High) knows the talent in Philadelphia and the surrounding areas.  I also think Coach Yuille's disciplined approach to the games and his conditioning regiment has the Lions "pointed in the right direction for now and the future.

As an old Track man, I hope Lincoln's Track success (16 NCAA Championships) has contributed to the current success of the Basketball team, and it will have a domino affect on all athletic programs at Lincoln.




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on January 05, 2006, 04:10:27 PM
njlincolnlion:

Where exactly is Lincoln located? Do you attend their games regularly?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2006, 04:59:37 PM
I would say one thing in Byars' defense -- between the warped floor debacle and the lack of a true sports information department over the past few years, nobody wanted to play at Lincoln because you couldn't guarantee you'd get a box score. That has an impact when you have to play most of your games on the road.

The floor and sports information office have been rectified and that can only help, plus the AD has one of his hand-picked guys running the team now. I expect the department is a more cohesive unit these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 05, 2006, 05:48:30 PM
Amish Allstar -

Lincoln University is located "in the middle of nowhere"! Technically, its location is in the Village Of Forrestville in the mushroom country of Southern Chester County in Southeast Pennsylvania. It is close to such small towns as Avondale, Jennersville, Nottingham, Kennett Square, West Grove, Oxford, and (my personal favorite) Toughkenamon! The easiest way to get there from Mayser Center is to take Route 30 east to Route 896 south until just after you cross over U. S. Route 1.

Hope this information helps. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on January 05, 2006, 09:56:58 PM
Amish Allstar:

Diplomanic1 is correct on his location of Lincoln, except "technically", Lincoln University is located in Lincoln University, PA 19352.  The University founded in 1854 is off Route 1 and 896.  I agree with Diplomaniac1, that my alma mater is isolated, but you should have seen how remote it was when my parents dropped me off some 30 years ago.  Coming from Bergen County , NJ, a suburb of New York City, it was a real culture shock for me, but I survived and enjoyed my four years there.  I have only attended Lincoln's games when they are in the New York metro area over the last three years.

Pat, you are correct about the past neglect of the gymnasium, that has been resolved due to a myriad of issues, not withstanding an unsympathetic administration.  The AD Cyrus Jones, who is also the head Track & Field Coach, and Rob Knox (SID) are doing a mavelous job.  It also helps that the Coach Yuille (the Basketball Coach) and Knox are Lincoln Alumns, so there is the "added" pride factor for developing a successful program.  Finally, with Lincoln's President, Dr. Ivory Nelson suceeding Bridgewater's (VA) president as the President of the NCAA DIII Advisory Council, we finally have the support of the Administration.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 06, 2006, 08:45:34 AM
I do have to say that it is located in a simply beautiful area, though, yeah, there is not much there now except for the beauty.  Houses are inching claoser every year!!!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on January 06, 2006, 09:16:28 AM
Thanks for the information.  i was trying to figure out the locatio but kept reading Lincoln University, PA. Very confusing but I have the area where you are talking about.  Used 896 many trips to get to Dware
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 06, 2006, 10:59:49 AM
God, how can you let Philly Bible be this bad, as they drop one to previously winless Swat?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on January 10, 2006, 08:44:38 AM
Does anyone know if the F&M-Washington game this Thursday will be broadcast on CCBN?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 11, 2006, 09:46:48 AM
The Franklin & Marshall-Washington men's game will be aired on CCBN beginning approximately 7:45 on Thursday.  Check the "Gameday" link on the Centennial website for more information.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on January 12, 2006, 10:20:40 AM
Commish-any word yet on wether the F&M game will be on the air tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 10:49:23 AM
Isn't that what the message above yours specifically addresses?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on January 12, 2006, 04:46:30 PM
When I posted that last post the Centennial Website had the game being on CCBN with the word "tentative" beneath it. That was approximately 10:00am today. the Commish was saying the broadcast was on. Gameday on the CC website said it was tentative. I was looking for clarification.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 13, 2006, 12:35:38 AM
The race to the playoffs continues this Saturday on the Centennial Conference Basketball Network as 10 teams fight for five tournament spots.

This Saturday Muhlenberg (7-6, 3-4), which sits one game out of the final playoff spot, hosts the Johns Hopkins Blue Jays (10-3, 6-1) at 2 PM.  Pregame coverage begins on  http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/ at 1:50 PM.

Then stay tuned for an interesting women's match-up between first place JHU and the 11-1 Mules.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2006, 06:35:34 PM
Is the F&M Swat score correct??? If so, what's going on in Robinsonville? That would have to rank right up there as one of the Dips worst conference losses in quite some time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 14, 2006, 07:39:18 PM
saratoga-

Your eyes aren't deceiving you.  Most people knew early on that F&M would struggle in comparison to recent years, but a tank job of this magnitude is truly surprising.

Traditionally successful programs like the Dips are entitled to go through transition years every so often.  I don't think, however, that a 31-point loss to 2-12 Swat can be chalked up to that line of reasoning.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 15, 2006, 02:34:09 AM
Are there any explanations?  Varsity was being disciplined?  Snow forced fans to don F&M uniforms?  WHAT THE HECK???

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2006, 05:26:48 PM
Thanks, R.W. It will be interesting to see how the Dips react to that type of serious pounding the rest of the season. Regroup or retreat??? One thing is for sure, some teams will not fear playing F&M right now & some others may actually be looking forward to the opportunity.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 15, 2006, 07:25:06 PM
RW -

Transition year?  It's been 30 friggin years years since a loss to Swat.  How many transition years have been in that time span where the Dips still managed not to trip on the doormat?

We HAVE to be mission something!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 15, 2006, 08:03:58 PM
Quote from: R.W. McNickels on January 14, 2006, 07:39:18 PM
I don't think, however, that a 31-point loss to 2-12 Swat can be chalked up to that line of reasoning.

C-

If you read my post more carefully, you'd notice I said the loss could NOT be chalked up to this being a transition year.  The Dips don't have many "down years", and when they do, they still manage to beat the Swats of the world.  So even though this isn't a typical 20+ win F&M team, it's a shocker.  F&M has completely collapsed since the Lincoln game, and lots of people would like to know why.

Two people who certainly don't mind seeing F&M struggle are Bill Nelson and Kevin Small.  Hopkins/Ursinus should make for an exciting 2-horse race in the CC.

Any thoughts from swish or fritz on the situation?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 16, 2006, 04:40:41 AM
Quote from: R.W. McNickels on January 15, 2006, 08:03:58 PM
Any thoughts from swish or fritz on the situation?
Unfortunately (well, maybe fortunately), I haven't seen any of the last 3 games, so I can't begin to understand what has happened to F&M.  They looked pretty good against Ursinus.  What has caused them to just collapse like this is beyond me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 16, 2006, 10:19:17 AM
I have also not seen the F&M games since the Ursinus loss. Although I was not as impressed with the Dips in that tilt as Fritz. Ursinius looked much better in addition to poor Dip 3-point shooting & wretched Foul shooting. The Bears would have won easily if not for some late 3 point misses & a rash of a late mostly unforced turnovers that almost let F&M get back into the game.
I can't remember a worse conference loss since the late 70's than this one to SWAT. The only similar margin results came from riled up good Princeton teams. Or to FF squads Hope & Illinois Wesleyan in '96.
I followed the team in 84-85 that only won 8 games & they never seemed to give up losing many games but exhibiting great effort & in close heartbreaking games, plus I don't recall any loss by more than 20 or so.
The post Mehaffey/Henry FF remnants of 96-97 have some analogy to this years team. They went 11-13 after getting off to a decent start. That team also had one upperclassman (Josh Fabian) who had to shoulder most of the scoring load often scoring between 25-40 while the rest of the team couldn't be counted on (sound familiar to anyone whose seen Brandon Smith try to win games this season). There is at least one startling difference. The 96-97 team had an excellent frosh class including Maiatico, Ritacco & Sadowski all key players that eventually almost won the national title in 2000. This years frosh class is unfortunate to say the least.
Unless Robinson can start recruiting better players again F&M will have trouble even making the CC playoffs for a long time. This years sudden collapse may relate at least partly to injuries. Otherwise I can't see why the players like Outerbridge (was wearing a wrap on his shooting wrist vs Ursinius) & Leonard (knee) are playing less & ineffective when they try. Chasen looks to be out indefinately with what looks like a cast + Ortho boot as he looked OK last year at times. As an alum & long term follower this is as down about the program as I have ever felt.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on January 16, 2006, 02:35:11 PM
Do any of the oldtimers (mrmxyztplk) know the reason why players like Sadowski and Keliher (both good players from what I hear)left the program after a year or two?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 16, 2006, 03:10:48 PM
swish-

From what I remember, Kelliher had a family to attend to, and didn't have time for basketball after his sophomore year.  It's too bad he couldn't play all four years.  Sadowski took a year off (don't know exactly why) but came back to play his junior and senior seasons.  Without him, there's no way F&M would have made the 2000 Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 16, 2006, 06:41:16 PM
Swish, R. W. McN's explanation of the Kelliher situation is generally correct & I see no reason to get any more specific about the personal concerns that apparently led him to leave the team after one outstanding season. It is a shame he never played college ball after that. If F&M had him during the relatively lean 96-97 & 97-98 seasons perhaps they may have had more success then. He was so quick, great on defense & got steals as spectacularly as anyone since the greats Al Taylor '83 or Donny Marsh '79.
I heard suggestions at the time that Sadowski may have taken a year off to concentrate on his school work although there could have been other factors too. In any case I concur that without him they wouldn't have made the FF in '00, his superb effort against CUA in the Patterson air hanger gym along with Kraft's heroics resulted in extending a road upset string that never seemed to end until the last second basket from the Calvin PG edged the Dips in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2006, 01:10:40 AM
This week on the Centennial Conference Basketball Network...

Two teams on the brink of the Conference Playoffs battle for the fifth and final playoff spot as the McDaniel Green Terror take on the Gettysburg Bullets.

Can the Green Terror sweep the Bullets and gain a critical head-to-head advantage?  Or will Gettysburg get the leg up for that last spot?

Pregame starts at 1:50 with tip-off at 2 PM on www.bcmonsters.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on January 22, 2006, 02:21:35 PM
Congratulations on a game well played. Haverford is not a juggernaut (sp?) but holding any team to 38 points is a great feat. Take it one game at a time and even with a couple more losses F&M might make it to the CC play-offs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 23, 2006, 09:14:54 AM
Ugh.  38.  In a men's game.  Not pretty.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 23, 2006, 04:31:34 PM
Where are the Ursinus and Hopkins fans?  This could be one of the best seasons the fans in Collegeville have seen in a while (at least as good as '03).

The interesting race will be for seeds 3-5.  Haverford looked awful on Saturday.  After all the talk about Elefterakis earlier in the season, he was totally taken out of his game by F&M's defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 23, 2006, 07:48:47 PM
Hopkins' fans???
There weren't even 50 Hopkins' fans at their home game against F&M.
The gym was dead, and it was a close game.
Embarrassing for a first place team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 23, 2006, 11:32:55 PM
I've always wondered why Hopkins struggles to fill that small gym.  Nelson brings in talent year after year, and his teams are often in the thick of things.  It's a great place to watch a game.  Maybe all the focus is on lacrosse in Baltimore?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 04:55:56 AM
I think the focus is on Baltimore in Baltimore. Similarly, Catholic, in a big city, doesn't draw very well (though it draws better than JHU).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 24, 2006, 09:52:59 AM
It's a problem in most big cities.  No one in NYC, Philly, DC, Baltimore or the like draws very well.  When you get out in the sticks, teams tend to draw better becasue, well, what else is there to do?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 24, 2006, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: Coach C on January 24, 2006, 09:52:59 AM
When you get out in the sticks ....

C

"Out in the sticks"? I've not heard that expression since my dad died in 1961 ....  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on January 24, 2006, 11:37:09 AM
I guess I am the only Ursinus fan and alumni on the board.  It is nice to see that they are having a successful year.  Hopefully they can keep winning and possibly take first in the Centennial Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2006, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 04:55:56 AM
I think the focus is on Baltimore in Baltimore. Similarly, Catholic, in a big city, doesn't draw very well (though it draws better than JHU).

That's part of it, Pat, especially for the locals. I think the larger problem with fan support from the student body and college community is that lacrosse overshadows everything.  They aren't just D-I - they are scholarship in D-I and one of the most prominent programs in the country.  The Hopkins lax men averaged 4,359 in attendance at home last season. 

While having that program around does a lot of good for the school's other sports (for example, a Division I caliber support staff), it also makes the other sports at Hopkins seem like small potatoes in the eyes of many at the school, which is a shame, since they have some very good Division III programs. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bluejays on January 25, 2006, 01:06:20 AM
JHU is without a doubt the best all around athletics program in the conference. Lacrosse does overshadow most at hopkins though. Another factor is that school is not back in session until January 30th and that is normal for it to be so late so the little student support there is was not even there. Lastly, let's just say the area surrounding Hopkins is very "urban". Besides there being so much more to do in the city, demographically the area right around the university just isn't going to go root for the JHU basketball team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on January 26, 2006, 11:44:15 AM
The centennial conference seems so wide open this year.  It will be interesting to see who makes the playoffs.  Ursinus is on a seven game win streak but they have been winning by very close margins.  They beat Hopkins by 3, Swarthmore by 5, F&M by 6, and Haverford by 1.  These scores are too close for comfort.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 26, 2006, 12:22:44 PM
And Hopkins, the CC's highest-scoring team entering last night, puts up a whopping 41 points at the Battlefield.  You're right - it's wide open.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 26, 2006, 11:31:55 PM
Don't look now, but guess who's climbing back into the race for the Centennial Conference playoffs?

Okay, you can go ahead and look.  It's Franklin & Marshall who now sits just one game out of the last playoff spot.  A win on Saturday would be huge, but the Ursinus College Bears are on a roll and focused on hosting the tournament in Collegeville.

If you can't make the trip to Helffrich Hall, please tune into the Centennial Conference Basketball Network broadcast on www.bcmonsters.com.  Pregame begins at 2:50 PM with tip-off scheduled for 3 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 27, 2006, 01:52:48 PM
Ursinus has been a difficult place for F&M to win, especially since Dennis Stanton canned a prayer from 40 feet in the 2003 CC championship to crush the Dips' hopes of an NCAA bid.

It's going to take a monumental defensive effort for F&M to win tomorrow.  In each of F&M's last three trips to Collegeville - ever since McGarvey has been running the show - the Dips have given up at least 91 points:

2003 (CC title game):  Ursinus 96, F&M 88 (OT)
2004:  Ursinus 104, F&M 92 (Stanton 55 points)
2005:  Ursinus 91, F&M 82

Will the trend continue, or will the Dips continue to play solid defense like they have the past 2 games?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 28, 2006, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 26, 2006, 11:31:55 PM
Don't look now, but guess who's climbing back into the race for the Centennial Conference playoffs?


Ursinus 75, F&M 59. Did the Dips today climb out of the race for the Centennial Conference playoffs?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Jin on January 28, 2006, 07:21:22 PM
I went to Haverford tonight to watch game against Mcdaniel. They were good. It was a good game. Haverford won and looked very good. Dave Nowacki is a good player. John Elefterakis is a good shooter. It was a very good game. It pleased me watch it. Haverford should win conference. They are good at basketball. I look foward to my next Haverford basketball basketball game. They are good and fun watching. Coach Mucci should be president. I like him. His suit was good and his plays were good too. Go Haverford! Let us win Haverford! Thank you all.

-Jin
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 28, 2006, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 28, 2006, 04:55:16 PM
Ursinus 75, F&M 59. Did the Dips today climb out of the race for the Centennial Conference playoffs?

The Dips are two back of the last spot with six to play.  They're not "out" of the race, but they'll basically need to win the rest and hope for some help.  Not impossible, especially the way things are going in the CC and the Mid-Atlantic this year.  But Ursinus is clearly the class of the conference right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on January 29, 2006, 02:03:44 AM
That post from Jin might be the most amusing post on this board in a very long time...wow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on January 29, 2006, 09:55:24 AM
Ursinus did a good job of finishing the game strong yesterday but it did make me nervous when Outerbridge hit a three pointer then stole the ball and hit another three pointer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on January 31, 2006, 07:05:44 PM
Hi, new to the boards.  I think that UC will end up hosting and winning the CC tournament.  I have a few concerns with this team however, there is a problem with shutting down good three point shooting teams like Gettysburg (open looks the entire first half) and Washington and even Swarthmore(why the game was only a five point win).  Also, I would like to see them start off games faster like the F&M game last weekend.  They have shown their ability to pull away from teams when needed, but I want to see a consistent game played wire-to-wire. But like I said before, this will be the last team standing in this conference because of there versatility with scoring from their starters(four in double figures) and ability to force turnovers in pressure situations. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on February 01, 2006, 09:40:40 AM
Big game at the Mayser Center tonight.  Gburg vs. F&M.  Place should be packed
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2006, 10:51:23 PM
Wrong-small gathering
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on February 02, 2006, 10:58:15 AM
I hope Ursinus can still hold onto first place in the Centennial Conference.  They lost a tough game to Washington last night to end their winning streak.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 02, 2006, 11:08:36 PM
The CC men and women are wide open...Ursinus led WC by 6 at the half and WC then opened up the 2nd half with a 27-9 run, only to blow a 15 point lead and then a 7 pt lead with 30 seconds remaining.  They were lucky to get a big OT win after nearly blowing it at the end...

This weekend, the Centennial Conference Basketball Network will be in Chestertown for a major game in the men's standings as Gettysburg travels to Washington. 

Women's game leads off at 2pm, men at 4pm...pregame at 1:50.  Go to http://www.centennial.org for more.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on February 08, 2006, 07:23:50 AM
What happened to all the F&M fans. Are you conceding we're out of it or are you holding your collective breath? If we beat Dickinson tonight I like us to run the regular season table and make the play-offs. I am holding my breath - BIG TIME.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on February 08, 2006, 07:37:55 AM
My picks for tonight-

Haverford over Washington

Gettysburg over Ursinus

Swarthmore over Muhlenberg

Hopkins over McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 08, 2006, 12:48:00 PM
I think that UC survives G'burg tonight by 2-3 points.  Looking forward to Saturday's showdown for first against Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2006, 02:43:46 PM
3 out of 4 should be enough to earn F&M a play-off spot
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 08, 2006, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2006, 02:43:46 PM
3 out of 4 should be enough to earn F&M a play-off spot

How can you say that F&M still has a good shot even if they lose another game?  They have to pass three teams in the standings with just four games left.  They can't afford a single loss.  The Dips will need a near miracle if they lose another game.  Things will clear up a bit after tonight, but F&M can't afford any more losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 08, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
Now that Haverford and Muhlenberg have both moved to 7-8, I think it's clear that 8-10 won't get F&M into the playoffs without a LOT of help.

Haverford is a poor road team and has 2 away games remaining, but they also get 2 games with the bottom 2 teams in the conference.  I can't imagine them winning AT Ursinus, so if they somehow don't take care of business against Dickinson or Swarthmore, they could still finish 8-10, but 7-11 is almost out of the question.

Muhleberg has 2 games left at home, where they are 9-1 this season.  They'll almost surely take care of McDaniel at home, but Ursinus will be difficult, particularly if Ursinus taking 1st in the conference depends on that game.  In between those 2 home games, they play AT Dickinson, which may be a toss-up.  8-10 is possible for them too, but I'd say 9-9 is more likely.

Both McDaniel and Washington College COULD finish 8-10, but the chances are very slim.  McDaniel is 1-9 on the road this year and has away games against both F&M and Muhleberg remaining, and their final home game is not a gimme against WC.  I doubt they can manage 2-1 (and if they did, it would probably include a victory at F&M, which would make F&M's chances of finishing 8-10 almost nil).  WC gets 2 home games, including 1 against Swarthmore, and a winnable road game at McDaniel.  I just can't see them losing all 3.

Even if Haverford and Muhlenberg both finish tied with F&M at 8-10, each of those 3 teams went 1-1 against each of the other 2, so the tiebreaker couldn't be decided based on head-to-head play.  The best chance F&M would have would be to beat Hopkins in the final game.  Even that wouldn't necessarily assure them of winning the tiebreaker if Muhlenberg beats Ursinus (or if Haverford somehow manages to pull off a huge upset AT Ursinus).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on February 09, 2006, 10:18:00 AM
I can't wait for the Ursinus / Hopkins game this Saturday.  I hope Ursinus does not become too complacent and just shoot from the outside.  I think Ursinus is at their best when they penetrate and keep the big men involved.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 09, 2006, 06:20:33 PM
Based on the box score, UC seemed like it could anything they wanted against a very good defensive team like Gettysburg.  I think the loss to Washington and the first half against Dickinson might have finally sparked something in this team.  They have shot over 60% combined in the last three halves of basketball played.  I hope this carries over to Saturday because a strong start is going to be needed against Hopkins.  UC by 8 on Saturday
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2006, 12:31:21 AM
It's a full day of basketball on the Centennial Conference Basketball Network this weekend.

First there could be a whole lot at stake when the Ursinus Bears battle the Johns Hopkins Blue Jays in Collegeville.  First place...the regular season title...the right to host the conference tournament.

Pat Cummings will call the action with tip-off at 3 PM and pregame coverage at 2:50 PM.

Then it's a special evening battle as the Muhlenberg Mules and the McDaniel Green Terror fight for their playoff lives in Allentown.

I'll have the call with tip-off at 8 pm and pregame coverage at 7:50 PM.

In fact, it's so much fun, let's do it twice for each.  The women's game will precede each men's game at 1 PM (Ursinus-JHU) and 6 PM (Muhlenberg-McDaniel).

All games should hopefully be available through www.bcmonsters.com.

Programming on BroadcastMonsters.com requires Windows Media Player which is available for free down load here (http://http//www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: redpool on February 10, 2006, 10:16:44 PM
The UC/Hopkins game has benn moved to 2:00.  Women's game to 12:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 11, 2006, 12:55:34 PM
Any adjustments to the game times of the F&M @ Washington doubleheader this afternoon?  The roads between Lancaster and Chestertown seem to be right in the bulls-eye of the heaviest predicted snowfall, which should be occurring later this afternoon.  Safe travels to all...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 11, 2006, 01:06:39 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 11, 2006, 12:55:34 PM
Any adjustments to the game times of the F&M @ Washington doubleheader this afternoon?  The roads between Lancaster and Chestertown seem to be right in the bulls-eye of the heaviest predicted snowfall, which should be occurring later this afternoon.  Safe travels to all...

Still on for 2:00 and 4:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: outinamishland on February 11, 2006, 04:25:20 PM
was the fandm game cancelled?  I couldn't get the live stats option to work from the centennial website.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on February 11, 2006, 04:32:06 PM
As far as I know the game was on. The team left here around noon. It's possible the womens game ran late or the STATS isn't working.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on February 11, 2006, 04:34:31 PM
Game started at 4:30. Go Dips!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: outinamishland on February 11, 2006, 06:14:43 PM
Well it looks like with the beating that was handed to us by Washington today our playoff hopes are over.  Very disappointing season.  The only game I was able to watch this year was here at Hopkins and we didn't look too bad.  G-Rob will have to reload for next year and hopefully he can bring in some talent that can make a run for a championship.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 11, 2006, 06:28:17 PM
Ursinus takes sole possession of first place with a convincing 89-65 win over Hopkins.  McGarvey goes for 20 points and nine assists.  Looks like the road to the NCAAs goes through Collegeville in two weeks.

Fifth-place Haverford moves to 8-8 in the conference by beating Dickinson, while Muhlenberg could move to 8-8 tomorrow with a victory over McDaniel in the postponed game.

F&M lays an egg in Chestertown, realistically ending the Dips' hopes of sneaking into the playoffs as the 5 seed.  Long trip back through the snow for the Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 12, 2006, 05:03:06 PM
Folks -

For those that didn't catch the Indiana-Iowa game on tv yesterday, Donny Marsh, Assistant Coach at Indiana, ran the team while the head coach missed the game with the flu.

Marsh was an all-american at F&M in the late 1970's and is still F&M's all-time career scoring leader. He led them to their first final four in 1979. Donny was a class act when he was at F&M and has steadily moved up the coaching ranks. I think this is his first year on the Indiana coaching staff.

I don't usually root for Indiana. However, I found myself "tolerating" them yesterday afternoon with Donny's prominent role on the sideline!

Congrats and continued good luck to a great guy.

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 12, 2006, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on February 12, 2006, 05:03:06 PM

Marsh was an all-american at F&M in the late 1970's and is still F&M's all-time career scoring leader. He led them to their first final four in 1979. Donny was a class act when he was at F&M and has steadily moved up the coaching ranks. I think this is his first year on the Indiana coaching staff.

Eric


Yes, I saw a lot of Marsh's talents in action back then. Unfortunately, it was v. LVC.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 12, 2006, 08:32:48 PM
Just wanted to comment on the atmosphere during the UC-Hopkins game on Sat.
It was incredible, packed house for the most part.  The student government really went all out for this game with a t-shirt giveaway for senior day, showcasing the new mascot, and having the band play during the game.  For the first time that I have been at UC it felt like a college basketball game atmospere(like you see in TV).  The team completely outplayed Hopkins, at one point during the game, Coach Nelson(JHU) told his team UC knew exactly what plays were being run as the clogged up passing lanes or just the overall pressure.  Two straight 20 point wins!  Like I have said before, UC has finally clicked and they are running on all cylinderss.  The road goes through Collegeville.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on February 13, 2006, 10:51:57 AM
Ursinus really played great!  I was especially surprised with the effort from the Ursinus seniors.  They played great defense even though they (Seniors) were undersized.  I hope to see this intensity carry straight through to the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 15, 2006, 10:15:22 AM
Hopefully UC clinches the number 1 seed in the conference tourney with a win tonight against Haverford.  The team should be out to show that the one point win at Haverford was just bad play. 10+ point victory tonight for the bears
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 15, 2006, 09:21:22 PM
Great game all around by the Bears tonight to clinch the number 1 seed.  Convincing 27 point win over a team that usually gives trouble (all without Shattuck their leading scorer).  Looking forward to the conference tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 15, 2006, 09:54:59 PM
Quote from: bearsfan1 on February 15, 2006, 09:21:22 PM
Convincing 27 point win over a team that usually gives trouble (all without Shattuck their leading scorer).

Why didn't Shattuck play?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 15, 2006, 10:06:37 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 15, 2006, 09:54:59 PM
Quote from: bearsfan1 on February 15, 2006, 09:21:22 PM
Convincing 27 point win over a team that usually gives trouble (all without Shattuck their leading scorer).

Why didn't Shattuck play?


Shattuck was sick
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 16, 2006, 01:50:52 PM
The Centennial Conference Basketball Network will be in full force Saturday as the fifth and final playoff berth is determined.  Pat Cummings and Gordon Mann will be at Tarble Pavilion for the 150th renewal of the Haverford-Swarthmore rivalry.  Steve Ulrich will be at Mayser Center for the Johns Hopkins-Franklin & Marshall tilt.  Our friends at WMUH-FM will be deputized as an official CCBN outlet as they will handle the play-by-play of the Muhlenberg-Ursinus game. 

Want more ... our "Score Blog" (http://centennialconference.blogspot.com) will have real-time updates from around the Conference.  Don't miss a minute of the action.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on February 17, 2006, 04:52:18 PM
F&M is still mathematically in the hunt. They can beat JHU tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 18, 2006, 10:36:32 AM
And need Muhlenberg and Swarthmore to lose...

The CCBN will have live coverage of Swat/Haverford and JHU/F&M beginning this afternoon.  Go to http://www.centennial.org for more.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: outinamishland on February 18, 2006, 06:04:39 PM
The unexpected happened today with the Mules defeating Ursinus.  If only Ursinus would have come to play today the dips would be in the playoffs.  I guess we'll have to wait until next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 18, 2006, 06:21:29 PM
What's more, they did it without Stewart in the lineup.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 18, 2006, 06:57:21 PM
3 out of 4 wasn't quite enough
5 points off
never thought Ursinus would lose
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 18, 2006, 08:05:45 PM
Intense defensive battle between F&M-Hopkins as is usually the case when these two get together.  The Dips committed a season-low six turnovers and outrebounded the Jays 41-35.

Nelson took two straight timeouts near the end of the game and not once talked to (or even looked at) his players -- he just glared at the officials, apparently trying to make a point about a bad call.  It was a strange sequence.  Hopkins hasn't won in Lancaster in 11 tries (counting CC and NCAA playoffs) dating back to 1998.

Outerbridge played one of his best games.  He scored only three points, but he ran the offense better than I've ever seen him.  Five assists to just one turnover.  He looked like a quarterback on offense, which he didn't earlier in the season.  The Dips will need a whole season of that from him next year.

Brandon Smith finished his career with a 19-point effort.  F&M hasn't had many players who could score so many different ways - scoop shots, threes, leaning jumpers, etc.  He was a fun player to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on February 19, 2006, 09:45:12 PM
Heard Ursinus took all the starters out so Muhlenberg would win and prevented F&M from making the playoffs.  Not sure that is true or not.

any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 09:45:52 PM
I listened to the end of the game and Ursinus definitely had its starters on the floor. McGarvey took the three-pointer that would have tied the game with about seven seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 20, 2006, 08:25:41 AM
I am a Bears fan, and was at the Sat. game between Bears/Mules. Give credit to the Mule players who just wanted it more. They played each possession as if it was their last, and the Bears were just tentative. A classic game where one team wanted it more. However, next week is a new season and I am sure that the Bears will be better prepared.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on February 20, 2006, 09:25:19 AM
Gotcha.  Had heard something but wasnt exactly sure so i wanted to being it up here.

Good luck to the teams in the playoffs
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ohyeahbball on February 20, 2006, 09:59:04 AM
How about giving the Mules some credit?  Scott had 27 points and Huber had 13 points (3-3 on treys).  They played like they needed to prove that they could win without Stewart, and that is exactly what they did. 

The post saying that Ursinus let them win so that F&M wouldn't make the playoffs sounds pretty ridiculous, don't you think?  And to the person that said that Ursinus didn't come out and play, you should have been at the game.  F&M wouldn't even have room in their gym for all of the fans that came out to see Muhlenberg and Ursinus play.  Ursinus played hard and is a class act. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 20, 2006, 11:39:06 AM
Something Gordon and I discussed on our broadcast...

It wasn't in the best interest of Ursinus or Hopkins to take it easy this week and not give 100% since they were both locked in to the 1 and 2 positions. 

Both have now suffered another regional loss, which will hurt their chances of a Pool C bid which at least one of them will be up for.  Factor in that at least one of them will at least have one more regional loss and it further hurts their chances.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 20, 2006, 01:02:09 PM
I really do not think you can say that UC "took the week off".  They throttled Haverford on Wednesday at home to secure the number 1 seed.  From what it sounds like, Muhlenberg played an inspired game on Saturday in a win or go home situation. I am sure the last thing players from UC and Hopkins for that matter wanted was losses down the stretch, even if some games were meaningless.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 20, 2006, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: patcummings on February 20, 2006, 11:39:06 AM
Something Gordon and I discussed on our broadcast...

It wasn't in the best interest of Ursinus or Hopkins to take it easy this week and not give 100% since they were both locked in to the 1 and 2 positions. 

Both have now suffered another regional loss, which will hurt their chances of a Pool C bid which at least one of them will be up for.  Factor in that at least one of them will at least have one more regional loss and it further hurts their chances.


It's unfair to say Ursinus or Hopkins "took it easy" this week, but the point about regional wins and losses is important.

Fairly recent history as an example:  In 2004, F&M clinched homecourt for the CC tournament even earlier than Ursinus did this year but won a quality regional road game after the fact that helped secure a high seed for NCAAs.  The Dips won an extremely tight game at Hopkins in the last game of the regular season that was significant to their "quality of wins index" -- it was a win on the road against a team with a good record.  The game meant nothing in terms of CC playoff seeding, but it went a long way in helping F&M earn a bye in the NCAA 1st round and eventually the sectional.

Kevin Small has been on the NCAA committee before (he still may be) and he's well aware of how much each regional game matters for NCAA seeding.  I'm sure he made that clear to his team, and I doubt the Bears took Muhleberg lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 20, 2006, 02:17:27 PM
No one treated the last day of conference play as meaningless.

Ursinus, Hopkins, Gettysburg, and Washington were all locked into their playoff spots.

Seven Ursinus players accounted for all but nine minutes against Muhlenberg.
Seven Hopkins players accounted for all but 15 minutes against F&M.
Eight Gettysburg players accounted for all but less than one minute against Dickinson.
Eight Washington players accounted for all but two minutes against McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 20, 2006, 05:08:01 PM
Give the Mules their due for Sat's game. They were in a desperate state to win for a playoff berth, and Stewart was out. The rest of the team rallied together and won. The Bears were in command of the game until the last six minutes or so, and several opportunities to put them away prior to that.

Assuming that the Bears win the Conference title, I would agree with Pat Cummings that the loss may hurt the Bears in their rankings/seeding. Look at what happened last week to the Bears after two blowouts where one included Hopkins. The mid-atlantic rankings dropped the Bears 2 places. I hate to see what the rankings will look like on Wednesday. We may not even have a CC team in the rankings at all. Imagine that.

Bears Fan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 21, 2006, 08:44:46 AM
I was just wondering what some people predictions are for the conference tourney this weekend. 
Mine:
Washington over Muhlenberg by 6
Gettysburg over Hopkins by 4
Ursinus over Washington by 10
Ursinus over Gettysburg by 8
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on February 21, 2006, 11:46:18 AM
Any thoughts on the All-Centennial teams?

My picks:

First Team
G - McGarvey
G - Stem
F - Nawrocki
F - Smith
C - Stewart

Second Team
G - Elefterakis
G - Shattuck
F - Webb
F - McCormick
C - Griffin
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 21, 2006, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: cc_fan on February 21, 2006, 11:46:18 AM
Any thoughts on the All-Centennial teams?

My picks:

First Team
G - McGarvey
G - Stem
F - Nawrocki
F - Smith
C - Stewart

Second Team
G - Elefterakis
G - Shattuck
F - Webb
F - McCormick
C - Griffin


Those picks sound about right to me.  Player of the year will go to Stewart, McGarvey, or Smith
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 21, 2006, 02:14:20 PM
If the coaches go with three guards instead of three post players, the first team could look like this (with Smith listed as a guard as he was last year):

G  McGarvey
G  Shattuck
G  Smith
F  Stewart
F  Nawrocki


It's hard to imagine McGarvey not getting POY honors.  He's the most important player on the best team in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 21, 2006, 02:22:30 PM
Second team center position is a toss up between Griffin/Hopkins and Furey/Ursinus. The stats are so close with Griffin having a slight edge offensively, but Furey having the defensive edge. Grffin is the 2nd leading scorer for Hopkins whereas Furey is the 4th. Ursinus defense is superb holding teams field goal pct to 40 whereas Hopkins team is at 43. Overall, the performance of Furey as a team player fitting into Ursinus's scheme of play with the rest of the players would give him the nod for 2nd team conference over Griffin.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 21, 2006, 04:43:37 PM
Now is the time to make your voice heard.  The 2006 All-CC team will be announced on Wednesday.  Who do you think should be on the elite squad?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Amish Allstar on February 21, 2006, 05:47:50 PM
Most important player has to be Brandon Smith of F&M.  Not a very successful year by F&M standards but without him they would have been nothing!

Nohting against McGarvey but he has such a great supporting cast to help him along.  Smith did not have that this year and carried the team on his back

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 21, 2006, 07:12:08 PM
Smith did carry F&M on his back all year by evidence of his numbers alone. However, as stated above by Leo, McGarvey is the most important player on the best team.  He is averaging 3+ assists more than Smith while only trailing him by 0.5 ppg.   McGarvey has a good supporting cast around him because he makes them better, a la Steve Nash on the Suns.  If the race is only between him and Smith, McGarvey should win hands down.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on February 22, 2006, 09:27:28 AM
Does anyone take shooting percentage into consideration? Or is it that you just throw up as many shots as possible, get a high ppg. average and that gets you some sort of mention.

The rational of who gets picked is very unclear and quite baffling to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 22, 2006, 11:15:41 AM
I think the coaches take everything into consideration.  There have been players picked for 1st team (for example, Ganot in 2003) who didn't have the numbers of other players but were more valuable because of defense and other factors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 22, 2006, 11:26:16 AM
All-CC team announced:


First Team
G  McGarvey, Ursinus
G  Smith, F&M
G  Shattuck, Ursinus
F  Stewart, Muhlenberg
F  Griffin, JHU

Second Team
G  Spadafora, Gettysburg
G  Elefterakis, Haverford
G  Valerio, JHU
F  Webb, Washington
F  Nawrocki, JHU

Honorable Mention
G  McEvily, Ursinus
G  Stem, Washington
F  Fromm, Gettysburg
F  Fabian, Ursinus
F  O'Brien, Muhlenberg
F  Furey, Ursinus


POY - McGarvey



All five starters for Ursinus mentioned.  That might be a first in this conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 22, 2006, 12:58:15 PM
Amazing that all five starters were recognized.  Obviously being a UC student and fan, I have no problems with that.  I was wondering what other peoples opinions were though.  I think a big shocker was Griffin being named first team and Nawrocki second and not the other way around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 23, 2006, 01:06:47 PM
Kudos to Michaels for identifying the coaches going to a 3 guard selection for All Team. Yes, it is surprising that Griffin was selected over Nawrocki.

Prediction for tournament:

Gettysburg over Hopkins
Ursinus over Washington

Final:  Ursinus over Gettysburg by 12.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 23, 2006, 01:12:20 PM
oops, meant kudos to mcnickels
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 23, 2006, 05:21:26 PM
As far as player of the year, McGarvey embodies the characteristics of a true floor general for Ursinus - more so than any other player in the league.  He scores, defends, assists, and rebounds more than any one player in the league.  To have as many points, assists, and steals as he does is what put him over the top in my estimation.  You don't need the height to play good defense, and he is a classic example of it.

Who is going to step up and take a CC POY away from Ursinus?

Barrett, Stanton, McGarvey...Luciano in there too I think...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 23, 2006, 09:06:41 PM
I think that Jeff Stewart will end the monopoly that UC has had upon the POY award (five out of the last six) next year.  I also think that Nick Shattuck could make a run at it because he will have to take on an even more increased scoring presence.  I think it will come down to whoever's team finishes better.  Then there are the forwards from Hopkins.

I am expected a huge crowd for this weekends CC tourney.  Should be great with the Bears walking away with their third championship in four years. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 23, 2006, 10:02:46 PM
The CCBN will cover every step of the men's tourney if you can't make it to Collegeville. 

Links on Centennial.org and Broadcastmonsters.com
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on February 24, 2006, 08:36:47 AM
I think McGarvey could have played at a higher level- say the Patriot League. I'm sure his height kept him from being recruited by the D1's. (or maybe he was but decided on Ursinus anyway). In any event, I hope Ursinus can carry this thing for a while because if anyone deserves it, McGarvey does.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 24, 2006, 01:53:03 PM
Mike McGarvey was named a finalist for the Josten's trophy today.  This is the second time in three years that an Ursinus player (Dennis Stanton in '04) has been nominated.  This is a great honor for the mens basketball program at UC as well as the school itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on February 24, 2006, 03:08:39 PM
I really hope Ursinus brings their A game tomorrow.  Washington is a tough team.  I think Will Furey can be the difference in the game.  When he is aggressive on the post, Ursinus seems unstoppable.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 24, 2006, 04:06:14 PM
Washington is a very dangerous matchup for the Bears this weekend.  They create odd defensive matchups for UC with forwards guarding guards and such.  If Furey can step up early and set the tone for the game, I know Coach Small likes to pound the ball early, the Bears should coast.  I don't want to see this game turn into a jump shooting contest because that would favor the Shoremen. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 24, 2006, 05:58:45 PM
Quote from: cc_fan on February 24, 2006, 03:08:39 PM
I think Will Furey can be the difference in the game.  When he is aggressive on the post, Ursinus seems unstoppable.

Another difference could be the Ursinus crowd.  That place gets extremely loud when they pack 'em in.  If the atmosphere approaches the level of the 2003 title game, it will be difficult for anyone to go in there and knock off the Bears.   But stranger things have happened in this conference.  Here's to a fun weekend of hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 24, 2006, 06:27:11 PM
I was not around for the 2003 title game but I know last year against NYC tech in the NCAA tourney, it was deafening loud in there.  I am greatly looking forward to not only the games this weekend, but the atmosphere as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2006, 10:43:22 PM
Ursinus needs to win the Centennial tournament tomorrow to make the NCAA play-offs.  With all the teams already in Pool C, Ursinus probably would not get a bid, if they lose.
Ursinus is the best representative for the Centennial Conference.  Hopefully, they win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 25, 2006, 08:35:05 PM
McGarvey showed today why he is the Conferences Player of the Year against Washington in semifinal game 1. Washington players played their hearts out during the second half, but McGarvey's leadership and key baskets/plays led his team to the Championship game tommorrow.

Lets go Bears !!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 26, 2006, 04:04:42 PM
Centennial championship FINAL:

Ursinus 100, Johns Hopkins 82

The Bears win their third CC title in four years.  Now we'll see if they can carry that success into NCAAs, which they haven't been able to do in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 26, 2006, 04:15:16 PM
Definitely a game of ups and downs.  Ursinus was up 13 at the half but roared back to tie only to see UC win by 17.  Unprecedented 3rd title in four years.  This senior class was awesome! Congrats to Coach Small on his 100th win, what a way to do it.  As much as I like this team, I cannot see them going deep into the tourney.  I think one win at best.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 26, 2006, 07:56:34 PM
so many people to thank, so little time.  Hats off to the Ursinus athletic staff and AD Brian Thomas for an outstanding job handling both the basketball and indoor track championships.  Salute to Pat Cummings and Gordon Mann for their work on the CCBN throughout the season.  To the five Ursinus seniors - Luke, Bret, Mike, Brian and Joe - congrats for an unprecedented third title in four years.  To Johns Hopkins ... it showed amazing poise and resiliency to battle back from 14 down to tie the game.  It was a great day for Centennial Conference basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 26, 2006, 09:49:33 PM
Ursinus will represent the Centennial Conference in the NCAA Tournament very well. The team truly plays as a team with a great deal of maturity and determination. On Saturday, they could of folded when Washington made their run within 6 points, but they didn't. Today, they could of folded against Hopkins when they were tied after a 14 pt lead, but they didn't. The five starters and the bench stayed the couse as a team over the weekend, and their reward was a 2nd consective conference championship. Do not forget that Ursinus played York (PA) and Trinity (Conn.) very well during the early part of the season. Even though they lost both games by a small margin, those games served as a maturation process for them as a team. They believe in each other when others outside of the Conference may view them lightly. Well. to the other teams in the NCAA Tournamanet , beware of the Bears. They have come to play and I hope you bring your "A" game because the Ursinus Bears are playing out the role of "Hoosiers II."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 27, 2006, 12:44:37 AM
McGarvey and Coach Small said it best on the post-game today...5 seniors who've never won an NCAA playoff game.

"Let's go win a few"
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2006, 07:21:17 AM
Quote
Ursinus will represent the Centennial Conference in the NCAA Tournament very well.

I hope.  It's embarrassing each year when the Centennial Conference representative loses in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on February 27, 2006, 08:46:45 AM
Reserved Seat-No need to be embarrassed. All you have to do is go back two years ago to see F&M made it to the "Elite Eight".
Ursinus will represent just fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 27, 2006, 09:25:27 AM
Ursinus will play SUNY-Farmingdale in first round at Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2006, 09:53:42 AM
Swish-how far do you have to go back to find a team other than F&M that advanced more than one game?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 27, 2006, 10:15:47 AM
RS: JHU beat FDU by 40 in the 1st round in '98. Lets not forget F&M's trips to FF in '00 & '96 (plus '79 & '91 title game appearance & Washington College went to FF in '90 though all pre-CC it just shows CC teams have a fine history of advancing deep into NCAA's). I think Ursinus should beat Farmingdale & get the NCAA hex off their back & I believe they have a reasonable chance to bushwack VWC with so many experienced seniors including McGarvey. Now if they had to play at Lincoln that's where I think they could have serious problems, but if they don't have to play @ Lincoln they would have some chance to get to the E8.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 27, 2006, 10:56:15 AM
I wouldn't want to forget to mention that Ursinus went to FF themselves in '81 so they have their own tradition, though not recent.  Behind a 6'9" shot-blocker named Broderick they beat a great F&M team in the tournament after losing to Dips in regular season. I remember that game like it was yesterday as Dip legends Westley, Al Taylor & Donny Anderson solidly outscored Bears from field but UC went something like 38 of 41 from the charity stripe at Mayser (while Dips were something like 6 of 8 :-\ ).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 27, 2006, 01:40:32 PM
Looking at matchups, UC has a very good chance of making some noise in this bracket.  I do believe they get the monkey off their back by beating SUNY-Farmingdale.  Then if they do surprise Va. Wesleyan and Lincoln would get upset prior at home, there is no reason to think that a rematch of UC and York(Pa.) could be out of the question.  UC played well against York earlier in the year and whats to say a little magic can't happen for this years senior class.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on February 27, 2006, 02:26:21 PM
McEvily and Jenkins both had good games for Ursinus.  They really stepped up especially on the defensive end.

Hopkins will be tough next year as their three main players will be back.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 02:33:18 PM
 ECAC Selections  (http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=2816)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 27, 2006, 09:10:59 PM
Did I read the ECAC selections correctly, there are no CC teams in the tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 27, 2006, 10:08:39 PM
That is correct.

But that may not be because they weren't selected.  Some times schools declare and decide not to play in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 27, 2006, 11:22:52 PM
I figured that was the case because I can't see Hopkins or even Gettysburg being denied a bid to the ECAC tourney.  I was just wondering how many people think UC has a chance at winning more than one game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2006, 09:09:28 AM
ECAC picks
No. 1 Keystone College (22-5)
No. 2 Pitt-Greensburg (16-9)
No. 3 Penn State-Behrend  (19-7)
No. 4 DeSales (16-9)
No. 5 Albright  (16-9)
No. 6 Wesley (16-9)

Johns Hopkins(18-8)5-3 out of league
Gettysburg(16-10)4-4 out of league
Hard to judge who deserved a bid without comparing records. 

I can believe JH declared not to play, but not Gettysburg.

I hope Ursinus can win more than one to represent the Centennial Conference well, but beating Virginia Wesleyan may be difficult.  Good luck, Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 28, 2006, 10:45:40 AM
Ursinus can be a bit streaky...if they shoot well, they should win.

Fundamentally, they are better than Farmingdale.  But they were against NYCCT last year and shot horribly.  McGarvey didn't have a great day either. 

That being said, Farmingdale doesn't have a Shacun Malave like NYCCT did...but they can shoot lights out from beyond the arc.

I'll be joined by Gordon Mann for the audio from Helffreich Hall Thursday night.  Hope you can tune in if not at Ursinus...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 28, 2006, 11:41:55 AM
Last year, the Bears should of beaten NYCCT, but Pat Cummings was right that they shot horribly in the game. McGarvey had a bad day (2-14; 1-12 for 3's), as did McEvily (3-10 for 3's). For the team, they shot 36% for the game, and 14% (4-29) for 3's. However, last year was the first year without Dennis Stanton, and I believe that the team was still transforming itself to where it is today. The "Bear Five" (as I would like to call them), are a year older and last year's experience was a maturation process in how they execute their offense today (sans Stanton) and their belief in each other. They share the ball well, and have good players coming off the bench. The Bears defense continues to be pretty good. Last year, they forced 19 TO's on NYCCT compared to their 8. Their defense should play an important role on how well the Farmingdale guards can shoot.  On the other hand, Farmingdale is so guard oriented with a team depth of 8/9 players.  This game will be Farmingdale's 1st experience in the tournament, as well as an away game for them. They are a running/shooting team averaging 88 shots/game, which includes 24-3's/game. The Bears average 77 shots/game, which includes 18-3's/game. If you live by the 3's, you can quickly die by the 3's. However, if you keep a team in the game long enough, then you are looking for trouble. That is my biggest fear for the Bears.

The Bears should win by 10+, and move on to Norfolk/West Virginia.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2006, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: bearsfan1 on February 27, 2006, 11:22:52 PM
I was just wondering how many people think UC has a chance at winning more than one game.

Ursinus can win more than one game because guard play is such a key to winning NCAA games -- and the Bears have excellent guards.  If McGarvey, Shattuck, and McEvily play tight defense and shoot the way they're capable, the Bears can go on a run and win a few games.  But before anyone starts thinking about Virginia Wesleyan, Ursinus has to take care of business at home against a team it should beat.

Ursinus needs to prove that someone other than F&M can go deep in NCAAs.  That's been a knock on this conference since its inception, but I hope the Bears can earn the Centennial some greater national respect.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2006, 04:26:48 PM

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Ursinus needs to prove that someone other than F&M can go deep in NCAAs.  That's been a knock on this conference since its inception, but I hope the Bears can earn the Centennial some greater national respect.
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Hopefully, Ursinus  can earn some respect for the Centennial Conference.  As I said several days ago, the CC representative has to win several games to start to remove the tag that the CC is a weak league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 28, 2006, 06:42:40 PM
Bears Fans -

Your team now has the honor of being in the NCAA Division III tournament and of representing the Centennial Conference.  Good Luck!

As fans, you also have a unique opportunity to follow your team and a responsibility to reflect good sportsmanship (or is that "fanship") on behalf of all members of the Centennial Conference. Remember to enjoy all aspects of the tournament - at home and on the road.

I have been to 9 sweet sixteens, 5 elite eights, and 3 final fours following my F&M Diplomats and it never gets old. It is always an amazing time and it leaves you wanting to go back for more! My advice to you is to truly enjoy every moment of the journey as you never know how soon your team and fans will have the reward of going back to the tournament. Some of my best times were spent on road at Rochester, Trinity, Rowan, Widener, etc.

At the risk of sounding like an "olde fogie", please remember it is only an athletic contest and to respect fans from the other teams and to establish a good comraderie with them. Finally, don't forget to acknowledge the hospitality and efforts of the host schools, fans, and cities.

Good luck and go Bears - represent the Centennial Conference well. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2006, 10:22:39 PM
Well said, Mr. Diplomaniac.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 01, 2006, 02:22:21 PM
Eric,

Great comments.  I hope Ursinus advances far enough into the tournament to experience what a great ride it can be.

However, I can't agree with you that the trip to Trinity in '95 was a good time.  That was a bitter pill to swallow.

Best of luck to the Bears in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 01, 2006, 05:54:33 PM
R. W. -

Yes, the final score of the F&M-Trinity game was a bitter pill for us Diplomat fans to swallow.

However, eveything else was outstanding - the amazing atmosphere, a packed house, many fans lined up to get into the second game, a nice arena, triple overtime overtime in the first game, lots of fans and noise, etc....

I guess that we can't have everything we want all of the time! Let's hope GRob has a good recruiting year. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 01, 2006, 08:37:12 PM
The closer this game gets, the more nervous I become for the Bears.  The team they are playing can shoot the lights out, lots of shooter on the team.  I think one saving grace is that Farmingdale has not played in front of a crowd of more than 500.  I think Helfferich Hall will definitely be pushing 1000 people tomorrow night.  Hopefully the place will be loud. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on March 01, 2006, 09:28:41 PM
Expect more than that...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 01, 2006, 10:19:13 PM
Oh I hope there is more than that, but I looked at the attendence from last years game and it was only 750 (I think that was wrong cause the place seemed packed).  I would love to see every row of the bleachers filled with cheering fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2006, 08:15:46 AM
Does anyone know when, if ever, the Centennial Conference has had two representatives in the NCAA D3 tournament?  That is definitely a sign of respect for a league.  This year the PAC has two reps- Catholic and York, and the MAC Commonwealth has two--Messiah and Widener.
I continue to hope that the Bears can go deep in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 02, 2006, 09:57:24 AM
RS: Apparently during 1993-99 the CC got that kind of respect. Admittedly there was a sea change since then perhaps coincidentally associated temporally with the rise & ever increasing prominence of this valued website & their analytical team prone to discounting & dissing even conference champs with 22-23 wins & giving them no consideration for at large berths. Below is a list of what things were like before that.

1999: F&M & JHU
1998: JHU & Muhl
1996: F&M & G-berg
1995: F&M & Muhl
1994: F&M & JHU
1993: F&M & JHU (1st year of CC)

To borrow from "All in the Family's"  theme -- "Those were the Days" which I wonder if can ever be seen again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 02, 2006, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: mrmxyztplk on March 02, 2006, 09:57:24 AM
RS: Apparently during 1993-99 the CC got that kind of respect. Admittedly there was a sea change since then perhaps coincidentally associated temporally with the rise & ever increasing prominence of this valued website & their analytical team prone to discounting & dissing even conference champs with 22-23 wins & giving them no consideration for at large berths.

Say what?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
It's probably more likely associated with the fact that the region was no longer guaranteed six to eight bids to the tournament, as it was during most of that period. Or it might be better associated with a change in the regional chair at that time, no?

I would love to have the influence over at-large bids that you apparently think we possess.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: mrmxyztplk on February 27, 2006, 10:15:47 AM
RS: JHU beat FDU by 40 in the 1st round in '98.

That's a joke. FDU-Madison didn't belong in the field that year after losing in the MAC first round. Goucher deserved that spot. But Goucher wasn't on the committee ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2006, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: mrmxyztplk on March 02, 2006, 09:57:24 AM
RS: Apparently during 1993-99 the CC got that kind of respect. Admittedly there was a sea change since then perhaps coincidentally associated temporally with the rise & ever increasing prominence of this valued website & their analytical team prone to discounting & dissing even conference champs with 22-23 wins & giving them no consideration for at large berths. Below is a list of what things were like before that.

1999: F&M & JHU
1998: JHU & Muhl
1996: F&M & G-berg
1995: F&M & Muhl
1994: F&M & JHU
1993: F&M & JHU (1st year of CC)

To borrow from "All in the Family's"  theme -- "Those were the Days" which I wonder if can ever be seen again.



The NCAA cut down on the number of teams from 64 to 48 at the end of the decade, and things were bound to be different.  It wasn't about respect.

There's no doubt F&M would have made the NCAA tournament in 2002 and 2003 (with identical records of 22-5 each year) had the old system been in place.  And if my memory is correct, Capital lost out to the "new" system with a record of 23-5 in 2002.  Lots of good teams got shafted by the old system, not just teams in the Centennial.

At least this year, with the expanded field, we don't have a bunch of national contenders sitting at home this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 02, 2006, 01:14:31 PM
This recent discussion can give all the new CC posters a hint of the feelings toward this conference & why it might be helpful to go out with this Ursinus senior class & win some games.
I find it interesting that the Moderator looked up my response to a simple question regarding the last CC team besides F&M to win an NCAA game & made it look like I was trying to make some point of his choosing.
This X-Files type of blame that is placed on the CC re: a 1998 snub of Goucher for FDU-Madison frequently surfaces. Think of it, the CC conference cuts an unholy deal with the Devils to keep out a CAC team & replace them with an MAC team that doesn't generally even play our conference teams. It certainly was a clear poor choice of an NCAA participant, but how & why would the CC hatch such a conspiracy & why would the other schools go along with it? Was it to help out the MAC over the CAC? Is that what is to believed? Note that no CC team got in instead.
It is hard to quantify the infuenence this site has & I believe it is generally a very positive force toward getting better teams recognized. But in most years it seems the NCAA Regional rankings have often seemed to lower the CC team seedings late in the season, with no clear underlying catalyst,  making it difficult to get an NCAA bid without winning one. This probably is multifactorial, the respected polls & opinions on this site may possibly infuence some coaches on the committee, but that fact it seems to happen recurrently makes one wonder why.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: mrmxyztplk on March 02, 2006, 01:14:31 PM
I find it interesting that the Moderator looked up my response to a simple question regarding the last CC team besides F&M to win an NCAA game & made it look like I was trying to make some point of his choosing.

It may have been a simple question, but was hardly a simple response. Your veiled  allegations, which have subsquently been clearly debunked by one of your own fellow CC posters, could not be left unchallenged.

Quote from: mrmxyztplk on March 02, 2006, 01:14:31 PM
This X-Files type of blame that is placed on the CC re: a 1998 snub of Goucher for FDU-Madison frequently surfaces. Think of it, the CC conference cuts an unholy deal with the Devils to feep out a CAC team & replace them with an MAC team that doesn't generally even play our conference teams. It certainly was a clear poor choice of an NCAA participant, but how & why would the CC hatch such a conspiracy & why would the other schools go along with it? Was it to help out the MAC over the CAC? Is that what is to believed? Note that no CC team got in instead.

Interesting. I didn't claim that 1998 was the result of a Centennial presence on the committee, yet you jumped to that conclusion. Perhaps there's a chip on someone's shoulder? I believe there was a MAC rep on that committee that was far more directly affected by that playoff selection.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 02, 2006, 02:03:34 PM
Pat I apologize if I misunderstood your point about the 1998 NCAA selection process. The comment had been made in the past that the CC representative was the cause of improperly placing FDU-Madision in the '98 field was made by a journalist on your website & I wrongly presumed you agreed with him. I never mentioned anything about 1998's selection process until it was brought up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 02, 2006, 08:50:49 PM
Same outcome as before: one and done
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: brian_walsh on March 02, 2006, 09:12:50 PM
I guess my bracket (picking UC to the Final Four) is busted.  Oh well, optimistic alumni I guess.  Just wanted to say thank you to the five seniors for a great four years.  They were able to take Ursinus to the next level.  I missed playing with those guys by one year but know them and they are all great guys.  Hopefully McGarvey will get some serious consideration for the Jostens award and Shattuck, Fabian (who my father who was at the game sad was an animal tonight) Furey and the rest of the team will be able to get a win next year in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2006, 09:39:03 PM
Unfortunately, the Centennial Conference representative crashed and burned.  What happened?  3-point shooting?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on March 02, 2006, 10:55:55 PM
Nope...3 pt shooting not an issue.

Farmingdale State just worked harder in the 2nd half.  40-32 Ursinus at the break...Farmingdale outscored Ursinus 61-42 in the 2nd half.  Farmingdale is just a more physical presence, bottom line.  Given how VaWes has played lately (very close games), they could have a tough one Saturday.

This much is clear...most Centennial non-conference games are not played against scrappy teams like Farmingdale.  Ursinus's schedule of NYU, Immaculata, Leb Val, Drew, Whitman, and York in no way prepared them for tonight.  NYCCT from last year was somewhat similar in style, but Farmingdale was clearly the stronger team once they got their playoff legs under them. 

More later...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 02, 2006, 11:33:22 PM
Quote from: patcummings on March 02, 2006, 10:55:55 PM
This much is clear...most Centennial non-conference games are not played against scrappy teams like Farmingdale.  Ursinus's schedule of NYU, Immaculata, Leb Val, Drew, Whitman, and York in no way prepared them for tonight.  NYCCT from last year was somewhat similar in style, but Farmingdale was clearly the stronger team once they got their playoff legs under them. 

More later...
Ursinus also played Trinity, CT.  Their non-conference schedule was not just filled with patsies (not that your statement necessarily implies that), although they did lose to the 3 really good teams they played (NYU, York, Trinity).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 11:51:56 PM
Yeah, I think Pat is referring to style as much as quality.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on March 03, 2006, 12:29:32 AM
I enjoyed watching Ursinus all year and even though they were unable to beat Farmindale State, it was nice to see them win the centennial.  Ursinus will return three starters next season but it will be extremely hard to fill McGarvey's shoes at point guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swish on March 03, 2006, 08:09:36 AM
They not only have to find a point guard but a two as well. I don't think they have any backcourt men coming back who saw any significant playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on March 03, 2006, 09:56:43 AM
Any predictions on who will be the team to beat next year?  Maybe Hopkins?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 03, 2006, 10:48:27 AM
Great expectation can lead to success and happiness, as well as disappointment and sadness. UC was successful in meeting the expectation to repeat as CC champs. However, the expectation to go deep into the NCAA tournament ended with great disapointment and sadness. My 1 1/2 hr drive home seemed like 3 hrs. I am proud of Coach Small and the players in what they accomplished this season. Time will heal this hurt, and time will give alumni and CC fans to discuss/dissect this game, the team and the status of the CC teams and Centennial Conference in relationship to other Conferences. Kudos to the UC fans who were there. They were loud and supportive. It was a great experience.

UC played well in the 1st half. They got the ball inside to use their height advantage, good shooting and played good perimeter defense to affect Farmingdale's 3 pt shooting. UC had an edge in fast breaks pts (6 vs 0), 2nd chance pts (10 vs 4), and free throws (10-16 vs 4-7). Hence, they had an 8 pt lead at half.

The first 5 mins of the 2nd half dictated 2nd half play, and evenutally the outcome of the game. UC could not get the ball inside, poor outside shooting and turnovers. Farmingdale made adjustments by beginning to pound the boards, and putting a quicker and bigger player on McGarvey. Farmingdale had an edge on pts from turnovers (13 vs 2), and 2nd chance pts (12 vs 2). Pounding the boards affected UC's perimeter defense allowing Farmingdale to live up to their reputation on shooting 3's. McGarvey is a super player, and I love his play. However, he needed to be super + super, which is too much to put on any player in the game. UC players needed to help him.

Farmingdale was undersized compared to UC, but demonstrated better quickness and athletic ability. Some may say that these were the same reasons that contributed to UC's loss in the 1st round last year too. I disagree because it all comes down to execution and making adjustments. It is not fair to knock or disrespect UC, CC teams and Centennial Conference because their non-league games does not give them the experience/exposure to play with teams who have better quickness and/or athletic ability. Style of play is great for discusion and debating purposes among sports fan. Imposing a team's style of play on another through better execution and adjustments during the game is what makes for great sporting events. However, some may say that the quality of CC teams in the Conference is contributing to the lack of Centennial Conference success and respect at NCAA tournament time. Two years does not make a trend.

I am not a Centennial Conference historian or alum, but I have found the past 3 years to be fun and enjoyable in following UC. I thank Coach Small and the players for that ride  :).  



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2006, 11:45:27 AM
Thanks for the details.
Hopefully all the Centennial teams can have a good recruiting season, but I would say Hopkins is the early favorite based on what players they have returning.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 03, 2006, 12:56:24 PM
I would have to give the edge to Hopkins next year based on their returning starters.  Muhlenberg also has a strong nucleus returning with O'Brian the only departing senior.  UC will probably struggle early with the transition of a new point guard. I can see a point guard by committee(Shattuck and Noonan in an alternating role) approach depending on who is brought in next year as freshman.  The team should be stronger towards the end of the season
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on March 03, 2006, 01:30:24 PM
Ursinus has John Noonan who didn't get much PT this year because of seniority, so says Coach Small...but he is incredibly high on Noonan going forward.

A couple funny notes...the Helffreich Hooligans had their normal chants directed against the Farmingdale fans...

"You don't spell good" - hmm...I responded on air...grammatically, it should have been "You don't spell well"

"SAT 905" - ok, c'mon Hooligans...SATs are scored in increments of 10, not 5. 

If you're gonna chant, be accurate, and gramatically correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: patcummings on March 03, 2006, 01:30:24 PM
Ursinus has John Noonan who didn't get much PT this year because of seniority, so says Coach Small...but he is incredibly high on Noonan going forward.

A couple funny notes...the Helffreich Hooligans had their normal chants directed against the Farmingdale fans...

"You don't spell good" - hmm...I responded on air...grammatically, it should have been "You don't spell well"

"SAT 905" - ok, c'mon Hooligans...SATs are scored in increments of 10, not 5. 

If you're gonna chant, be accurate, and gramatically correct.

Ah I love chants like that, they make me want to out and get the "My Kid Can Beat Up Your Honor Student" bumper stickers and put them everywhere.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2006, 02:05:35 PM
It's a shame the Bears weren't able to get that NCAA monkey off their backs last night.  It would have been nice to see them advance.

What will be the legacy of the "McGarvey era"?  Will people remember 3-for-4 in CC titles or the 0-for-3 in NCAAs?  I'll probably remember these Bears as an outstanding team that couldn't get over that NCAA hex.

Someone (either Pat Cummings or commissioner Steve Ulrich, I think it was Ulrich) mentioned during the CC championship broadcast last weekend that the Bears could go down as a dynasty.  I'm assuming he meant a dynasty in the Centennial, as the Bears have been unable to take that success out of the conference.  But I don't necessarily agree that "dynasty" should have been used at all.  Has Kevin Small built and sustained an excellent program for a few years?   Absolutely.  Is it a dynasty?  I'm not so sure.

Best of luck to the UC seniors.  You had one heck of a ride.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 03, 2006, 02:14:34 PM
I think the chant ... you don't spell good was a rip at Farmingdale. The hooligans knew the correct grammar.

However, Pat, I will give you the SAT chant. Math is not a strong suit at UC. (j/k, lol)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: brian_walsh on March 03, 2006, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2006, 02:05:35 PM
Someone (either Pat Cummings or commissioner Steve Ulrich, I think it was Ulrich) mentioned during the CC championship broadcast last weekend that the Bears could go down as a dynasty.  I'm assuming he meant a dynasty in the Centennial, as the Bears have been unable to take that success out of the conference.  But I don't necessarily agree that "dynasty" should have been used at all.  Has Kevin Small built and sustained an excellent program for a few years?   Absolutely.  Is it a dynasty?  I'm not so sure.


I would argue that if you call the New England Patriots an NFL dynasty (3 Super Bowls in 4 years) then Ursinus with its 3 for 4 would be a Centennial Dynasty--I'm also pretty sure no senior class has ever won 3 of 4 before making it an even more impressive accomplishment that adds to its resume for being called a dynasty.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 03, 2006, 03:29:54 PM
Just to clarify things the two chants were as follows.

1) The "You can't spell that" chant was in reference to Virginia. because Farmingdale fans were chanting "We're going to Virginia"  I'll admit it was not the most inventive chant to come from the Hooligans this year

2) The "SAT 905" chant was correct because that is the average SAT for Farmingdale according to princetonreview.com.  It shows the average SAT for Ursinus to be a 1214 (obv. not an interval of 10)

Just wanted let everyone know that the Hooligans were on top of their game as always.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: patcummings on March 03, 2006, 11:56:02 PM
Fair, Bearsfan...those just happened to take place when I had my headphones off.

I did not say Ursinus was a dynasty...but 3 CC championships in 4 years is a CC dynasty of sorts, especially in light of what F&M has done...the Dips stand out, but this run for Ursinus has certainly fizzled with no playoff wins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 06, 2006, 12:37:52 PM
Pat,

Not sure if you saw my question for you on the Daily Dose blog during the craziness of NCAA stuff last week, so I'll ask here.

You wrote after Thursday's game: "Second year in a row Ursinus goes one-and-out at home to an Atlantic Region team. It could signify the beginning of the end for the Centennial as a serious March competitor."

I thought that was a strange comment to make, considering the CC has never proven to be a March competitor when F&M isn't the representative.  In other words, why would anyone's perception of the conference change this year?  It should only have reinforced things.  Let's be honest: this is not a power conference, although Ursinus probably should have won at least one of its NCAA games.

"Beginning of the end" just seemed like quite a doomsday prediction for the conference as a whole, a pretty powerful statement.  I was just wondering if you thought the Centennial was heading for a rather dark period, as your statement may have suggested.  Am I reading too much into that?  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on May 09, 2006, 12:09:45 PM
Folks -

I posted something similar in the Women's Mid-Atlantice Room. I see that Dana Johns has joined Jerome Maiatico as a recipient of an NCAA post-graduate scholarship. Like Jerome, she was an excellent student, a standout athlete, a good citizen off of the court, and a class act all of the way around. Kudos to both Dana and Jerome for representing F&M well after graduation and their playing days were finished.

Just thought I would try to wake this room up a little bit and to see if there is any life out there! Does anyone have any interesting recruiting news to report?

Have a great summer! Bring on the grill and the golf course! Regards to all.


Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on June 02, 2006, 06:30:45 PM
Folks -

Does anyone out there have any recruiting news or interesting rumours to share with the rest of us? Is there anyone out there at all? Please advise.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on June 07, 2006, 08:14:26 AM
This is just a question I have been thinking about for awhile.  The response to this question also depends on if any people from these boards are from the philly area.  Episcopal Academy (HS in Lower Merion near Saint Joe's) had three DI signees on thier basketball team(UNC,Duke, Albany).  The question I have is this:can a HS like this compete against D3 colleges?  I never really paid attention to my HS in terms of basketball so I am not able to compare the HS level to the college(D3) level.  For a team like EA, the athleticism is there but I am wondering if a D3 school(like our CC teams) run more complicated playsets that would counteract a possible athletic advantage.  Just something I have been wondering and wanted to know if anyone could enlighten.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on June 07, 2006, 10:28:49 AM
Bearsfan, I actually think some of the top Parochial schools could compete against most D-III teams and beat many of them.  I am not familiar with the Philly schools but in northern NJ, I think schools like St. Anothonys, St. Patricks, Seton Hall Prep, Christian Brothers etc that send two or three players to D-I programs every year would definitely be able to play with most D-III teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on June 07, 2006, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: bearsfan1 on June 07, 2006, 08:14:26 AM
The question I have is this: can a HS like this compete against D3 colleges? 

I've wondered this in the past, too.  Last winter, I saw Lower Merion play and thought they could compete with at least some middle-of-the-pack teams in the CC and CAC.  They had a pair of D-I recruits.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on June 20, 2006, 11:46:59 AM
It finally looks like Ursinus is getting a wood floor for the basketball court!!!  This is long overdue.  I couldn't believe they built a brand new field house about 5 years ago but did not upgrade the basketball court.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on June 21, 2006, 10:47:34 AM
The Bears are in fact getting a new wood floor.  From pics on UC's website, some new scoreboards are being put into place as well.  I've been waiting to see if new bleachers were purchased as well.  I cant wait to the finished product.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on July 14, 2006, 02:26:50 PM
I saw the pictures of the new Ursinus basketball floor.  It looks really nice.  I wish they had that floor when I played.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 31, 2006, 10:44:25 AM

Folks -

Now that the students are returning to campus, D-III basketball pratices and the season can't be that far behind. It is just one and one-half months until practice starts and only two and one-half months until tip-off!

Does anyone have any news to report on recruiting, non-returning underclassmen, or injuries, etc? How will the Centennial Conference shake out this year? Who are the favorites? Any predictions?

Let's get this room buzzing again. Hope everyone has a great holiday weekend if Ernesto stays away. Welcome back! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 12, 2006, 06:52:09 PM

Fellow Diplomat And Centennial Conference Fans -

Finally! At long last, Franklin And Marshall College has posted the schedule for the coming 2006-2007 Men's Basketball Season on its Athletics Department Web-page. The link to the schedule appears below:

http://godiplomats.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/frma-m-baskbl-sched.html (http://godiplomats.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/frma-m-baskbl-sched.html)

Can the season be that far behind? I am ready for it to begin now!  Regards to all. Good luck!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2006, 12:56:31 AM
Heh -- I see F&M is settling for the ECAC Tournament already? :)

02/10/07    Washington    Lancaster, PA   4:00 p.m. ET
02/14/07    McDaniel    Westminster, MD   7:00 p.m. ET
02/17/07    Johns Hopkins    Baltimore, MD   2:00 p.m. ET
02/21/07    CC    TBA   TBA
02/24/07    CC    TBA   TBA
02/25/07    CC    TBA   TBA
02/28/07    ECAC    TBA   TBA
03/02/07    ECAC    TBA   TBA
03/03/07    ECAC    TBA   TBA

Also, do you suppose there are any other teams in those two tournaments, or are those last-second scrambles as they have been in recent years?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 13, 2006, 06:33:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2006, 12:56:31 AM
Heh -- I see F&M is settling for the ECAC Tournament already? :)

02/10/07    Washington    Lancaster, PA   4:00 p.m. ET
02/14/07    McDaniel    Westminster, MD   7:00 p.m. ET
02/17/07    Johns Hopkins    Baltimore, MD   2:00 p.m. ET
02/21/07    CC    TBA   TBA
02/24/07    CC    TBA   TBA
02/25/07    CC    TBA   TBA
02/28/07    ECAC    TBA   TBA
03/02/07    ECAC    TBA   TBA
03/03/07    ECAC    TBA   TBA

Also, do you suppose there are any other teams in those two tournaments, or are those last-second scrambles as they have been in recent years?

Drat! I hate it when a team schedeule shows a tourney, but fails to list the participants. It's positively un-American .... :P
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on September 16, 2006, 06:36:44 AM
Aye, the hubris of F&M, assuming three CC tourney dates...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on October 03, 2006, 01:21:39 PM
A couple of days ago, the Ursinus schedule was posted.

Please note that the CC tournament will be played again at Ursinus as the "Home" team. Can anyone spell dynasty  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on October 19, 2006, 06:44:52 PM
Since practices started up this week, I was wondering what some people see happening around the conference this year.  UC returns three starters from last years championship squad but have a huge transition to go through at point guard with the graduation of McGarvey.  Talking to some players, they still believe they are the team to beat regardless of who is on the court (gotta love the confidence).  I can't blame them considering their past success under Coach Small.  I see them finishing second in the regular season this year.  My up and coming team is Swarthmore, great returning nucleus for the Garnet.  Washington will struggle this year because of youth and loss of 7 seniors.  Hopkins, UC, and Muhlenberg should be contenders.  Not really sure what F & M and G'burg have this year.  Can't count either team out though, great programs
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on October 25, 2006, 07:57:39 AM
Does anyone know when the coach's poll comes out. Thank you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 25, 2006, 10:36:58 AM

Leo -

The Coaches' Poll usually is released during the first week or second week of November. You can always check the Conference website to see if it is out early:

http://www.centennial.org

I don't know about you. However, I can hardly wait for the new season to begin! Good luck this season.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on October 25, 2006, 01:47:22 PM
Thanks Eric for the info.

Looking forward to see who the coaches list as the front runners/favorites.

I am sure that the coaches will take into consideration the Bear's 3 out 4 Conference Titles, and the added home court advantage with that new shiny floor.  :D  The significant number of seniors lost from the team last year should not have an effect (tongue in cheek   ;D)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on November 04, 2006, 01:34:17 PM
The national pre-season poll for Division III is listed below. Note that Hopkins and Ursinus were the only two CC teams receiving votes. A prelude of who the top 2 teams will be this year?   8)

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 04, 2006, 06:48:19 PM
Unfortunately for the Centennial Conference, they're ranked 37th and 53rd.  Hopefully the Centennial Conference can end up with a better representation.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 15, 2006, 04:57:44 PM
It's time to get ready for the 2006-07 Centennial Conference men's basketball season.  The coaches and sports information directors in the CC have looked into their crystal balls and made their calls.

Johns Hopkins (14) - 157
Ursinus (3) - 141
Muhlenberg (1) - 124
Franklin & Marshall (2) - 114
Gettysburg - 96
McDaniel - 75
Dickinson - 59
Haverford - 55
Swarthmore - 53
Washington - 36

Ready for more ... the 2006-07 Centennial Conference Men's Basketball Media Guide is available for download in a PDF format.  Go to http://www.centennial.org/basketball/mediaguide/men/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 20, 2006, 01:29:48 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

I was unable to make it to Lancaster for this weekend's tournament. Can anyone provide any comments on and insight into the games and/or offer their impressions of the 2006-2007 edition of the Diplomats? Please advise. Thanks.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on November 20, 2006, 04:24:40 PM
I went to both F&M games, and it didn't seem like I was watching the same team the second night.  They looked pretty bad against a team that went 5-20 last season and then pretty good against a team that went 23-6 (and took Lincoln to OT, and was picked by the coaches to win their conference).  I suspect F&M will be up and down a lot early in the season as Robinson figures out his rotation (he substituted a ton against Del Val).

This looks to me like a team without any stars.  The guards aren't the kind that will take over a game on offense very often, so the big men (if you include Teschke) may have to shoulder a lot of the scoring load, and I'm not sure yet if they can do that on a consistent basis.  If Hamme turns out to give you 15 points every night, this team could do very well, but that's a big if.

On defense, they're not tremendously quick or big, but they obviously did something right to hold Widener to 44 points (the fewest by Widener in at least the last 7 years from what I found).  Outerbridge gives you good pressure on the ball, and the interior help looked pretty good.  One area where I think they struggled in both games was covering screens around the perimeter.  I don't think this will be a lock-down defense, but it should keep them in a lot of games at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 20, 2006, 04:38:35 PM
Definitely seemed to be two different teams. Saturday night they played with more intensity.  They seemed to match up better with Widener than Delaware Valley.  At this time, there appears to be no go- to-player.  It will be interesting to see which team shows up on a nightly basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bballmom54 on November 21, 2006, 01:11:08 AM
I also saw both F&M games, and Saturday's rotation was clearly much stronger.   There's a lot of talent on the team and with more practice and competition, I wouldn't count them out! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 21, 2006, 02:49:37 PM
There is a full slate on tonight's Conference men's basketball menu, including live video from Haverford as the Fords take on Catholic.  The CCBN is hoping to provide live video (and live audio at worst) of the Franklin & Marshall-Lebanon Valley contest from Lancaster.  You can also find links to live stats and play-by-play on the Centennial "Gameday" site at http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/gameday.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on November 27, 2006, 01:14:09 PM
In all the years I've been watching them play, I have never seen F&M look as bad as they did against LVC.  About the only thing about that game that was good was that I actually got to watch it live through the internet.  I'm really hoping this is the start of something new because I would LOVE to be able to watch F&M hoops from NYC.

It will be nice to see more games again. 

I just hope they play better. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach K on November 28, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
Heading up to see Muhlenberg vs. Haverford tonight... hoping to see a good battle. Any thoughts on who should win??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on December 02, 2006, 07:58:15 PM
The OT loss to McDaniels was a tough one to swallow, but give credit to McDaniels outcoaching the Bears. Coach Small is beginning to smell like Coach Andy Reid (Philadelphia Eagles) in that he is stubborn and is not a gameday coach that requires insight in what is happening and making changes throughout the game. Coach Small had Stanton and Garvey as terrific shooting guards making previos Bears one dimensional outside shooting team. Now it looks like he is making Shattuck into one, but he is not close and should not be considered a shooting guard. His strength is in his quickness, jumping and slashing abilities, and to make his team mates better by being part of the offense. It is early in the season, but I hope that we are not looking at another one dimensional outside shooting team in Shattuck when the Bears have the making of a good inside game in the likes of Fabian, Furey, Shattuck and Shema. Today's game plan should of pounded the ball inside to the likes of Furey, Fabian, and at times, Shattuck. Rebounds were 50 - 42 in favor of the Bears. It was frustrating to see the missed layups from the offensive rebounds, but Coach Small should of continued with that game plan in lieu of a woeful 3-22 from the 3 pt line. At least fouls were getting called (and some were not) where the Bears went to the line 31 times. I can't believe that 22 3 pointers were taken when previous games were 12 and 9 respective. Again, Shattuck is not a 3 point shooter (as evidenced by his 2-8 shooting). Play the ball more inside to Furey and let him pass off to the cutting Fabian or Shattuck, or back outside to the guards. The play at the end of regulation with 7.5 secs remaining was horrible. Putting the ball into Shattuck's hands for the win when he was having a bad night was ill-conceived. I thought the players Cousart, Page, Garvey and Burnett played reasonably well given that they are freshmen. Coach Small has the opportunity to develop a team with a preferred inside game over the outside shooting. The CC coaches are not respecting the Bear's inside game, and why not .. Coach Small is not committed to it. Yes, it is early in the season, but have confidence and committment to a team game plan, and not a one night shooter. Coach Small should take Shattuck aside and say, "you have great penetration ability and ball control ... work the inside to dish and pass, make the layup or small jumper ... more than 5, 3 pointers a game should result in a benching."

Success sometimes breeds content. This Bear's team is not like the Stanton and Garvey era. Build the game plan around the player's strength's, and work the inside game more. If not, then the CC coaches will let the Bear's ghost of previous CC Conference Championships dictate this season and let the Bear's live or die with an only outside shooting game.  I believe that Coach Small can make that change and not be stubborn like Coach Andy Reid from the Eagles.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Terrorizer24 on December 06, 2006, 05:49:20 PM
First off, the school is McDaniel.  Not McDaniels.  Second, the player you were mentioning is two-time CC player of the year Mike McGarvey, not some guy named Garvey.  Third, McDaniel isn't the team it used to be.  Coach Flynn has his squad playing great and at the top of the league.  The victory over Ursinus at Ursinus isn't as shocking, as the fact that the Terror still managed to pull out the W dispite having 5 players foul out.  The officiating can NOT be an excuse for the bears in this one.  The bears inside game could be better, and the fact that they didn't stick with it against McDaniel is becuase the Terror have some big bodies of their own.  Daniel, McKay, Arrington, and physical Chris Prior off the bench are big bodies that make the inside game difficult. Tonight's matchup between Hopkins and McDaniel should be interesting.  The terror and their rowdy fans could make their home floor a difficult place to play.  The Conference's top 2 go at it in Westminster tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2006, 06:51:52 PM
I have gotten a chance to see both McDaniel and Johns Hopkins play... and I would agree that McDaniel is a far better team this season than I bet many thought they would be. At the same time, Johns Hopkins is far better than I thought they would be this season.

Despite losing their starting point guard, the Blue Jays have shown me they are a rather well rounded team. They certainly have a lot of skill inside with Nawrocki and Griffin and with PJ Valerio leading the guard play, they will do well. I was also impressed with the play of freshmen O'Connell... he is going to be a very good player during his career at JHU. You also can't overlook the good play from guys like Kamm, Beggans, Purcell and others.

As for McDaniel... very impressed with them. Coach Flynn has done a very good job in a quick amount of time. Thier win over Goucher in the third-place game of the Maryland Tournament was a great game by McDaniel. They took advantage of Goucher's weaknesses and never let down even when Goucher ran at them a few times.

While Ursinus has certainly fallen off, I wouldn't count the Bears out. Look for these three teams to run for the title... with maybe F&M, Muhlenberg, and Washington playing spoiler.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on December 06, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
Well Mr. Terrorizer, McDaniel had their 15 mins of fame at the expense of the Bears. I listened to the game tonight against JHU on WTTR.AM 1470, and I would agree that you have the number of physical bodies on the team, but you did not mention talent in the same sentence. Maybe the effort against JHU displayed that tonight. JHU outrebounded McDaniel very easily like the Bears did. However, JHU made their layups and the Bears did not. JHU shot better from the 3 point line than the Bears which brings me back to my rant against Coach Small and his game planning. Shattuck is not a shooting guard in the likes of Stanton and McGarvey. JHU stood firm in their game plan and let their cream of talent rise to the top in the 2nd half. Unfortunately, the Bears abandoned their inside work and pretended to be a team from the Stanton and McGarvey era. The Bear's game last night against Gettysburg showed that they are a better team when they work the inside game. Tommorrow against Drew University will see if that continues.

Mr. Terrorizer, I am a Bear's fan and my criticism was about Coach Small's coaching. I am sorry that you feel slighted and hurt that I felt the Bears lost the game and McDaniel did not win it. Certainly, McDaniel did nothing tonight to change my opinion. Just enjoy your 15 mins. of fame in beating the Bears.

Please note that I have corrected my spelling regarding McDaniel and McGarvey. While it is easy to correct my spelling, it may be difficult to raise the talent level of the Green Terror.

With warm regards,
Leo
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Terrorizer24 on December 06, 2006, 09:25:13 PM
Hopkins was a far better team than McDaniel tonight.  The terror simply had no answer for the Blue Jay ball movement.  The terror was very concerned with containing the blue jay inside game and did relatively well in the first half, but the big men of hopkins did a great job of finding the open man, and the open guys hit their shots.  The first half made it seem like the game was going to be very close, but in the second half the blue jays got hot and the terror went ice cold.  As for you LEO, the big men of HOPKINS are much bigger and better than the big men of the Ursinus Bears, they dictated the game, and McDaniel was unable to play the transition game that they are so good at.  I still believe that McDaniel is a better team than Ursinus, and they are a much better team than they showed tonight.  Those two are still my top two in the CC.  Ursinus is my #3, if they makes you feel better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Terrorizer24 on December 06, 2006, 09:34:44 PM
A 5 point win over a 1-5 squad doesn't quite show me that the bears are a better team.  If that helps you sleep then ok.  The Terror will be back on track Saturday at Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on December 11, 2006, 02:27:57 PM
Some notes from the home office ... how 'bout those Johns Hopkins Blue Jays?  9-0 for the first time since 1991-92 with a senior-dominated lineup ... Nawrocki is playing like a CC Player of the Year candidate.  Hop will get a chance to strut its stuff on the national stage after the holidays against nationally-ranked Mississippi College.  On that same day (Dec. 29), two-time defending CC champion Ursinus squares off nationally-ranked Lawrence ... but we're counting the days to Jan. 11 (31 if my count is right) to the Bears and the Blue Jays on the hardwood in Collegeville.  McDaniel is off to its best start in recent memory ... while Muhlenberg and Franklin & Marshall are also just a game off Hopkins' pace at 3-1.  Keep an eye out on Swarthmore (1-3) who has losses to JHU, Ursinus and Muhlenberg, but knocked off the Diplomats at Tarble.

Hopefully we can get some discussion going on what promises to be a very competitive Centennial season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 11, 2006, 10:46:12 PM
I wish I could contribute but I'm no longer in the area.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on December 12, 2006, 08:29:26 AM
OK...my thoughts so far and my prediction for how they'll finish.

#1 JHU - the class of the league...they are the best team but they can be beat...anything can happen in the conference tournament

#2 Muhlenberg - they're playing pretty good ball so far and Stewart hasn't even played yet...he's argueably (sp?) the best player in the conference...if he comes back they will be a big factor...lots of experience

#3 F&M - they have had three different starting line-ups and seem to have gotten a little better each game...experienced, deep bench (10 players)... if the offense starts to kick in they could be tough

#4 Ursinus - I think there are some serious warts here that will be uncovered... lack of backcourt experience...shallow bench... they also have argueably the best player in the league in Shattuck...how far he carries them will be interesting to watch

#5 McDaniel - from the little I know about him their coach seems like he is a motivator and really knows the game...I know the least about this team but while they seem like they have some good players I think they are a year or two away...inexperienced... but hustle and good coahing can take you a long way

These are my final five to make the CC tournament...like I said anything could happen in the tournament and it wouldn't surprise me if JHU WASN'T the CC representative in the NCAA T.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan on December 12, 2006, 12:44:47 PM
I think Swarthmore College needs to get rid of Head Coach Lee Wimberly!!! He has messed up that team so much this year!!! He has 2 very good big men in Ian McCormick and Stephen Wolf. McCormick is averaging close to a double-double a game (13 and 9) and Stephen is averaging about 15 and 7 a game. He can play inside and out. He has a floor leader in Chris Casey but wants to play that freshman Matt Allen more. Don't get me wrong, Matt is a very good player but he needs to learn from Casey first. He is making freshman mistakes. Matt Kurman is a very good shooter but Wimberly doesn't know how to get him open!!!!! I think the only good move he has made this year is playing the freshman Matt Turner. Turner is a very athletic presence and can play very good defense on guys like a Nick Shattuck. The biggest disappointment by Wimberly is not playing Mark Rhode or Noam Fliegelman more. Rhode is a very tough player and will bang with the Fabian and Nawrocki's of the league. It also can give Wolf and McCormick a rest. Fliegelman on the other hand is probably the best defender on the team and hustles non-stop. He doesn't look to score much but can when he is open. Hopefully Swathmore comesback from break and start winning and playing basketball and not this BS that Wimberly is doing.

Swat Fan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bluejays on December 13, 2006, 12:38:08 PM
If JHU runs through the CC schedule with only a loss or two but ends up losing the conference championship game what are their chances of getting an at large bid?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Terrorizer24 on December 13, 2006, 01:51:25 PM
1.  Hopkins-- Nawrocki and Griffin are dominating the paint, and the role players of JHU are playing well too.  Nawrocki is the front runner for POY honors, but a fast paced game and a quick and athletic team could pose a threat.

2.  McDaniel-- The Terror are playing their best ball in a long long time.  The team is very quick, and plays very agressive "D".  Hasn't found a "go-to" guy quite yet, but Foelber and Brandenburg could fill that void at anytime.  Sophomore Ryan Finch could be the top 6th man in the CC.  The Terror lack a single dominant post presence and that showed in an early season loss to JHU.  The Terror could suprise everyone in the conference tourney.

3.  Ursinus--  Shattuck leads an inexperienced squad.  Lost at Home to McDaniel in OT, but should win their share of games in the conference this season.  Don't count on the guard play of the Bears teams of the past, but Shattuck has the ability to carry the bears to the CC playoffs.  Slow down, post orriented games favor the bears, as Shattuck can be more effective.  A speedy guard or wing man could pose problems against the bear defense.


Hopkins is the favorite for the title as of now, and could receive an at large bid if they falter in the tourney.  A 4 loss or less JHU team gets a bid regardless of a CC title.  Look for coach Flynn and McDaniel to get better and better each game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 11:00:36 AM
The CC board definitely gets the award for the most dead this year!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on December 18, 2006, 09:23:10 AM
I took a close look at the schedules of all the CC teams to see what kind of non-conference opponents they had scheduled and it's interesting to note that the schedules are very solid. I'd have to give the toughest schedule award to Haverford though. Outside of Lehigh (I don't count D1 teams) they have Trinity (CT.), Wittenberg, Catholic and Hamilton on their schedule.
Those are about as solid a group of D3 programs as there are. Not even a half a cupcake. The rest of the teams all have similary difficult/easy schedules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: chizwiz on December 18, 2006, 02:05:09 PM
How good is Shattuck this year?  EU recruited him several years ago and he was awesome in high school.  It seems he has improved his offense even more and his depth as an overall player is improved.  Is this the case?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on December 18, 2006, 05:32:02 PM
I haven't seen him this year but based upon last year he is a very good player.
A POY candidate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cc_fan on December 20, 2006, 12:32:34 AM
I saw the Ursinus / Swarthmore game and Shattuck played very well.  I give Swarthmore alot of credit.  They cameback very strong in the second half.  I can also see that Ursinus really misses McGarvey this year.  They seemed to have many unneccesary turnovers.  I am very impressed by Will Furey.  He has a great touch from beyond the arc and at the foul line.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on December 20, 2006, 12:59:35 PM
There is no doubt that Hopkins is the best team at this time. Their seniors are playing at a game level that is several weeks ahead of all other CC teams. I believe that a couple of teams could challenge Hopkins during the later part of the season as they develop their offense/defensive game plans. It will be interesting to see how Hopkins fairs against #11 Mississippi College in a couple of weeks.

Yes, I am a Bear's fan, and the Bears will be the team to challenge Hopkins for the title. I have not seen or heard (audio game) the play of F&M and the Mules. However, if Stewart plays in the Spring, then the Mules could be there. I see McDaniel withering on the CC vine over time. They have no inside game, they are terribly outrebounded, and give up too many FTs due too their physical game plan which would cost them several games throughout the season.

I have seen most of the Bear's games, and the progress has been very encouraging and frustrating. However, this year could be Coach Small's best coaching achievement as head coach. The Bear's defense has always been tough, and will continue so. Their offense is a work in progress, and the first half against Swarthmore was very encouraging. The Bear's offense needs to do the following: (1) allow the offense to center around Will Furey for the inside/passing game, (2) develop/coach Shattuck into using his speed, penetration and jumping abilities toward the net in lieu of outside shooting, and (3) continued improvement in the play of Remy Cousart and John Noonan. Presently, Fabian needs to be more involved in the offense to support his role as a O/D rebounder. Furey, Shattuck and Fabian did a good job against Hopkins last year, and I see no reason why they cannot dominate Nawrocki and Griffin again. Hopkins may live or die from the 3 point shots from Valerio, Polster and Beggans. The Bears are the only team that can challenge Hopkins inside game.

Shattuck has the skills to be POY, but he needs to decide the type of player he wants to be this year. So far, his FG% is down from last year (55.3% vs 43.7%), FT% is down (86.4 vs 60.6%) and 3 PT% is down (37.7% vs 23.1%). While his scoring average is up from last year by 5 PPG, he is shooting 8 more FGA this year than last year. The early games were a display of Shattuck being a shooter, and that can spell disaster for the Bears. If Furey and Shattuck can feed off each other, then Fabian will improve his play greatly, and the young guards would not feel the pressure to make the outside shot. I admit it is a work in progress, and Coach Small must get them to practice, practice and practice it for them to believe in it. Otherwise, it could be a long and disappointing season. Soon, the Bears will play #14 Lawrence in Florida. I am anxious to see how they fare and respond to Coach Small.

These early games have been a feeling out/learning process for all teams except Hopkins. I believe that the Bears will be there for the CC championship game in either Baltimore or Collegeville.

GO BEARS GO

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 10:30:43 PM
How did Muhlenberg look against DeSales. I saw Desales pulled it out in a somewhat close game
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror fan on December 20, 2006, 11:03:48 PM
 Gee Leo, still upset McDaniel ruined your Home Opener. I'm sure the Bears are not dwelling on it, as contrary to what you think, they have very good players, and are very well coached. They have managed to win a few Championships without your help.

As for McDaniel, (since you seem to be an expert on them after watching them once) let me help you get your facts straight. In 10 games, they have been out rebounded 4 times. That would at least take them out of the "terrible rebounding team" category. In response to one of your previous post, they do have talent. Ask some of the other teams they've played. Just because you're used to seeing them at the bottom of the standings, doesn't mean things don't change. Coach Flynn has brought new life to the program. A team can no longer see McDaniel on their schedule and pencil in two wins.

As you can tell, I'm a big McDaniel fan, as you are a Bears fan. But as long as you keep taking cheap shots at the Green Terror, because things didn't go your way, I'll continue to point out the facts. I enjoy watching Ursinus, whenever they play McDaniel. As I said before, they are a well coached team with very good players. But I'm sure the next time they play, the team that executes their Coaches game plan the best will win. It won't be because of talent level or the coaching staff blew it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 21, 2006, 11:51:34 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 20, 2006, 12:59:35 PM
It will be interesting to see how Hopkins fairs against #11 Mississippi College in a couple of weeks.

This sounds like Nelson's best team in a long time.  It's nice to see teams like Rowan and Mississippi on their schedule.  Nelson always seems to line up some interesting non-CC games.

Who knows what's going on in Lancaster?  It's just an entirely diminished level of basketball than what people have come to expect from the Dips over the years.  No offensive weapons, no leaders, no fire.  Could be the biggest challenge of Robinson's career, getting the program back to where it was.

It's good to see fans from McDaniel and Swat getting into it this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on December 22, 2006, 07:34:03 AM
Here's your answer to the problems in Lancaster...get a new coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on December 22, 2006, 07:40:18 AM
Top coaches in the CC:

1) Small - Ursinus

2) Mucci - Haverford

3) Flynn - McDaniel

4) Petrie - Gettysburg

5) Nelson - Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 23, 2006, 08:37:02 AM
Otis -

You may not like GRob, (lots of people don't).  But you have to give the man his due.  He's the dean of coaches in the region and on of the top 20 or so in the nation based on his accomplishments.  He's a top 2 or so in the league.  you also have Nelso too low.

I like Mucci, but his teams never seem to get over the hump.  If Amherst and Bates and the like can win with tough admissions standards, why doesn't Haverford get some of the same guys?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on December 23, 2006, 09:15:43 AM
Coach C-

Robinson may have been  a good coach at one time but IMHO he is a lousey coach now. He's also been blessed with a lot of talented players through the years.

He definitely knows his X's and O's but he lacks the most important thing necessary to be a good coach...he can't communicate with his players and they have "zero" respect for the man. I've been to many games over the years and have not seen a coach berate his players the way he does. He's got each player right by the b*lls and god forbid that kid should make a mistake or try to improvise and he gets yanked. You can't play basketball at any level (especially college) if you're looking over your shoulder all the time. Watch Small at Ursinus...no yelling...he talks to his players if they make a mistake to make sure they don't do it again but he makes sure they keep their confidence level up. They want to win for coach Small as much as they want to win for themselves.

And don't try to compare Robinson's style with Bobby Knight. Knight can be brutal but most of his players would do anything in the world for him. They know Knight would be right there if they needed him. I don't believe this to be so with Robinson.

I wasn't at the Alvernia game the other night but was told (and read) about him putting Ben Stone in the game at such a crutial time. How do you put a 6'7" 260 lb big man in the game who has very little experience and hadn't been in the game all night when F&M has turned the momentum around with 7 minutes to go in the game. And I'm not blaming Ben at all..you can't expect him to go into the game cold like that...not being the kind of player he is. In the blink of an eye you had two steals and fast break for a dunk...now that's a momentum killer and the game and that is on Robinson.

I could go on and on about his poor substituting and and his players true lack of respect for him but it's a waste of time. He is what he is and that's not going to change. I just don't want to hear anymore of this crap about "how is poor GRob going to pull a miracle out of his bag this year". He's got good players...not the best he's ever had but they can win and make it to the CC play-offs. If he would just put that hook away and show these players he's got enough confidence in them and believes in them they might start playing with the potential they have instead of playing "not to make a mistake".

I'll be back later with who my staring five would be and who should come off the bench.

And by the way you are probably correct about Nelson.




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 23, 2006, 09:31:46 AM
Mercy, otis! That's one devastating indictment of GRob. I wonder how much of it holds water ... or anything else.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on December 23, 2006, 10:15:40 AM
I have seen Robinson coach several times at Ursinus's home court, and he is a very vocal/tough coach by his actions along the bench. However, the man has a long history of success.

Otis makes a good point on his analysis of poor substitution and how it affected the game. I appreciate Otis's comments because he brings some substance to his observations/comments as opposed to some comments on this chat board and other boards.

You can read Otis's passion for his team by his quote, and I am sure he is frustrated by F&M's play this year as some of us are about our team. Over time, Otis's comments will either pan out or fall along the wayside.

I, for one, appreciate Otis's comments.

FYI, Furey did not play last night and the team lost by 20. The Bears weakness is there lack of depth - I will concede that fact to everyone. However, losing a big man like that (albeit 1 game) could also be said for the Mules and Stewart. Does anyone know if Stewart will be playing in the Spring?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 23, 2006, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: Leo on December 23, 2006, 10:15:40 AM
Over time, Otis's comments will either pan out or fall along the wayside.

That, of course. holds for any assertion: it's either true or it's false, it's either accurate or it's inaccurate. Thus otis has a 50% chance of being on the mark, as well as a 50% chance of missing it.

Now a question: other than observing GRob in action, does otis have any other evidence to support his claims?

P.S. I'm anything but an F&M fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 23, 2006, 10:46:12 AM
Good to see the CC board shining with holiday spirit this morning... :o

otis, it's no secret that Robinson isn't the best adjust-on-the-fly coach.  His strength has always been preparing for games and getting his teams (whatever their talent level) to play disciplined, smart basketball.  If you've been watching over the years, as you say, you would notice that not much has changed.  He's always yelled, yanked players after a mistake, etc — possibly even more a decade ago than now.

This isn't to say Robinson shouldn't take the heat for the losing.  At the end of the day, they have no weapons.  Even worse, there seems to be no leadership.  With the exception of Outerbridge, who occasionally shows some fire, the players don't show much grit.  I think Robinson's recruiting is to be blamed more than anything. 

We'll see where the program goes from here.  F&M has rebounded from previous down times fairly quickly (1985, 1997-98).  Time will tell.

otis, I'd put Dave Madeira in the top 5 CC coaches.  Robinson, Small, Nelson, Madeira, Petrie.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on December 23, 2006, 11:42:32 AM
Does anyone know why Furey did not play last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 23, 2006, 11:54:27 AM
If things at F&M are as bad as claimed above, does anyone know why?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on December 23, 2006, 05:23:15 PM
My starting five:

g - Outerbridge

g - Chasen

f - Hynes

f - Hamm

f - Tescke

subs:

McCaffrey, Prysbylowski, Leonard, Yost, Carney
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 04, 2007, 09:47:48 AM
Of six Centennial teams in non-conference action last night, only Swarthmore posts a win (77-66 over Philadelphia Bible).  Hard to remember a worse year for this conference in non-CC play.

Stat of the night:  F&M shoots 3-33 in the second half vs. Lincoln.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 04, 2007, 01:04:49 PM
Well McNickels, you can play with the men  8) , or you can play with bible-holding boys for the win  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 04, 2007, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on January 04, 2007, 09:47:48 AM
Of six Centennial teams in non-conference action last night, only Swarthmore posts a win (77-66 over Philadelphia Bible).  Hard to remember a worse year for this conference in non-CC play.

Stat of the night:  F&M shoots 3-33 in the second half vs. Lincoln.

The Dips shot 18% for the game (9.1% in the second half). Something other than the hallmark of a GRob-coached team.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: chotch on January 07, 2007, 08:00:54 PM
After seeing some recent F&M games, I think that I would agree with many of otis' observations and others concerning G-Rob. While I did not witness games from the past 2 decades and so cannot comment on his coaching during that time, I do have some observations from the more recent seasons.

His players are definitely intimidated by him and afraid to do anything that would upset him for fear of being pulled from the game. They will often pass up wide open shots early in the shot clock because they believe they will be pulled if they do take those shots.

G-Rob runs a very structured, predictable, and one might argue predictable, system. I never noticed it before, but I did recently- if you watch the team closely, look at how many shots are created by an individual player. Almost all of their shots are pull up jumpers or low-post moves; almost never is a shot taken off the dribble.

As noted above, his subbing is suspect at times. The most recent example would be against Lincoln, Adam Leonard, who played about 8-10 minutes in the first half and hit two three-pointers against Lincoln's zone, did not see the floor in the second half. Unless Leonard aggravated an injury (which I did not notice at all) it was an asinine move on the coach's part. (This is of course not even mentioning the technical G-Rob got during the W. Conn. game, which F&M lost by 1).

Lastly, I think we can all agree that a good coach will make his players better over the course of their four years at a school. I do not think the G-Rob has done that. I can think of multiple players on the team who are no better now (or are playing even worse) than when they arrived at F&M. That is because the coach does not let them play the way they did when they were successful in high school and because they are so timid for fear of doing something that would get them yelled at or pulled from the game. G-Rob needs to consider coaching a system that fits the players he recruits instead of forcing players into an outdated and now ineffective, predictable system.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 09, 2007, 05:24:37 PM

Folks -

As a long-time Diplomat follower, I have been meaning to weigh in on this discussion for some time. However, the demands of work have limited my d-III attention span somewhat over the last year. Thus, I will keep my comments brief now and expand upon them in a subsequent post. For a frame of reference, you should note that I have followed the team actively since graduation in 1982 and, until the last two years, have seen 20+ games a year. I also saw the Dips' Final Four appearances in Springfield, Ohio in 1991, Salem in 1996, and Salem in 2000.

In the past, I am know there were players who did not care for GRob personally. However, they were always willing to put that aside, listen to and follow coaching instructions, and give the effort that was necessary for success. I do not believe that some of the current players are willing to do this now.

As to the comment about some of GRob's players getting worse or no better over the years, I strongly disagree. I can think of many players who developed more fully and got better from their freshman years when compared to their senior years.

I do concede that a GRob weakness is making "during play" adjustments. However, I have seen numerous games where half-time adjustments were made that produced wins.

Well, that's it for now. More to follow later..... Hope everyone's holidays were outstanding and relaxing! Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: chotch on January 09, 2007, 06:54:17 PM
Diplomaniac, I am never said that players under him did not get better. It is inevitable that if you play basketball every day for four years that you will get better. That being said, there are definitely players on this team who are now playing worse than they did when they got here. I would say that is largely due to the fact that they are playing so timidly under him. I do not want to name names for the players' sake, but if you are a long time follower of the team then it should not be hard to pick them out. And notice that I am saying "playing." I am not saying they are worse players now, just that they are playing worse in large part because of the mind games G-Rob plays with his players.

For somewhat easily observable evidence, look at how some of the players, those who are normally in the rotation, have their minutes fluctuate dramatically from game to game, half to half. Sometimes they start, sometimes they don't. These mind games might work with some players or teams, but this team obviously does not.

While in the past players may have been able to set aside their personal feelings for him, there are many (most) players on this team who are currently not able to do so. I can see why, as being repetitively called out publicly in front of family and friends can where on a player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 09, 2007, 07:00:22 PM
chotch:

Just for the record -- and out of curiosity -- are you claiming that there's more player animosity toward GRob than in previous seasons? If so, why?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: chotch on January 09, 2007, 08:24:21 PM
I am not making a judgement as to any but the most recent seasons- Diplomaniac claimed that players were able to put aside their personal differences and play well for G-Rob in the past. I am taking his word for it since I have not seen the Dips for 2 decades.

However, I feel that after watching some games this year it is relatively easy to tell that the players are affected by G-Rob's personality/coaching style. Look at them after they make a mistake, they will often look to the bench to see if they are going to be pulled. Hesitation on open jumpers. Talking back at the coach during games (happened in Western Conn game after a turnover, and it happened during halftime of the Lincoln game seeing as how Leonard did not play the 2nd half against Lincoln after playing well for about 8-10 minutes in the first half). The players are obviously not comfortable playing, and it is greatly affecting their game play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 10, 2007, 12:46:47 PM
What happened to Hopkins last night ?

No disrespect to Haverford, but the loss does not bode well for CC teams in receiving national recognition.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 11, 2007, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: chotch on January 07, 2007, 08:00:54 PM
I can think of multiple players on the team who are no better now (or are playing even worse) than when they arrived at F&M.

Well said, chotch.  I can't remember a class at F&M that showed promise as freshmen (Teschke and Outerbridge being key reserves on an Elite Eight team) but never developed much in the following three years.  It's been shocking to see the lack of toughness in this team, especially with the upperclassmen.  I saw one player take a few extra seconds to get up off the floor—after little or no contact—following a scramble for a loose ball vs. Western Connecticut.  You'd never have seen that in the past.

I think Robinson's recruiting is the issue; this roster lacks talent and tenacity, a bad combination.  Not every player can play for Robinson, so he should recruit players who can.  Robinson is hard on players when they're winning, so I can't imagine how difficult it is when they're losing.  But his style probably isn't going to change because it's been successful for him for decades.  The question for me is whether Robinson can get top high school players to go to F&M again, and whether he can get the most out of them without popping a major artery.

Quote from: Leo on January 10, 2007, 12:46:47 PM
What happened to Hopkins last night ?

No disrespect to Haverford, but the loss does not bode well for CC teams in receiving national recognition.

I was wondering the same thing.  The loss to Mississippi didn't help matters, but a loss to Haverford shouldn't happen to a Top 25 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 13, 2007, 11:55:13 AM
All of us associated with the Centennial Conference offer our deepest condolences to the family and the McDaniel College community on the passing of head men's basketball Bob Flynn.  The following comes from the College Communications office.
     - Steve Ulrich, Executive Director

In Memoriam: Bob Flynn 1957-2007

WESTMINSTER, Md. – McDaniel College men's basketball coach Bob Flynn, 49, died Friday, Jan. 12 at St. Agnes Hospital in Baltimore. Flynn suffered a massive heart attack Friday night at his Catonsville home.

College President Joan Develin Coley expressed the sympathy of the campus community, "Our campus community is shocked by the news of Bob's death. Since joining the McDaniel family, Bob has excelled as a coach, as a mentor to students and as a colleague. We will do all we can to care for his team, his wife, and his family to honor all that Coach Flynn gave us here at the College."

Athletics Directors Jamie Smith and Dr. Carol Fritz echoed Coley's sentiments.

"The entire athletics department is deeply saddened by the loss of Coach Flynn," Smith said. "His dedication and love for the game were contagious, yet he always remembered that these young men were students first. The lessons they learned from their coach will help them through this difficult time."

"If there was one word that defined Coach Flynn, it was respect," Fritz added. "He respected his players and all of the members of the athletics staff. He was a great person to be around. With that respect, he gained the respect of his fellow coaches and administration."

Flynn had guided the Green Terror to a 7-6 start in 2006-07, including a 4-3 mark in Centennial Conference play, after taking over the program last season. The start was the best in the team's history since 1986-87.

Saturday's men's basketball game, scheduled at home against Ursinus, has been postponed. A re-scheduled date and time has yet to be announced. The squad is next slated to be in action on Wednesday at home against Washington (Md.). A decision on that game will be made early next week.

Funeral arrangements are pending.

Flynn is survived by his wife, Tina, his daughter, Caitlin, and twin sons, Michael and Ryan.

Longtime assistant coach Kevin Selby will serve as interim head coach for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2007, 12:02:51 PM
Bob Flynn was a friend of the site going way back and was at St. Mary's when I was sports information director for the CAC. He will be missed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2007, 12:16:51 PM
Let me offer my condolences to the friends and family of Coach Flynn and McDaniel College on the passing of Coach Bob Flynn.   His contributions in life were great, and he will be sorely missed.  :-\ :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 13, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
My sympathies to the family and the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 13, 2007, 12:40:08 PM
Condolences to the friends and family of Coach Flynn and McDaniel College on the passing of Coach Bob Flynn.

Leo
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2007, 01:42:20 PM
I first met Coach Flynn some years back when he was at Cardinal Gibbons in Baltimore.  He was a super person, a man of great character and a very good basketball coach.

I cannot fathom the feeling of loss that his wife, daughter and boys must be feeling.  My thoughts go out to everyone who knew him as a father, coach and man.

In addition, I hope that Coach Selby and The Green Terror deidcate their efforts for the remaining season to their coach.

Best,

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sjmb9 on January 13, 2007, 01:59:49 PM
Coach Flynn-  you were the greatest thing that ever happened to Green Terror Men's Basketball in a long time.  My thoughts and prayers are with your wife, daughter and twin sons.  Words cannot describe how much you will be missed not only at McDaniel but in and around the Centennial Conference.  I was very honored to have worked at your baskeball camp last summer.

Sam Boardman
McDaniel College '04  MS '08
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2007, 09:48:01 PM
I knew Coach Flynn when he was at St. Mary's... followed him at Cardinal Gibbons... and was pleased to see what he had done in such a short time at McDaniel. I even got a chance to chat with him at the Provident Pride tourney at Goucher. He was a well respected man who was also a very good basketball coach. We will all miss him and his towel on the sideline. My sympathies and condolences go out to his family, the McDaniel basketball team, and the entire McDaniel athletic department and family.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2007, 11:48:31 PM
My sincerest condolences to the family of Coach Flynn as well as his players & staff.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on January 17, 2007, 10:30:40 PM
Seems like the Bears got back on track against a fading Muhlenberg team by beating them by 40.  Speaking of the Mules, what happened to Jeff Stewart?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 30, 2007, 11:54:47 AM
Nice article in Tuesday's Baltimore Sun about Johns Hopkins' dynamic inside duo of Matt Griffin and Danny Nawrocki.  A couple of highlights ... "See this? This is from Matt," said the 6-foot-6 Nawrocki, pointing to a recent cut under his right eye. "We haven't been allowed to guard each other [in practice] since our freshman year."  "It's less physical now," added Griffin, 6-7. "Our jerseys were ripped by the end of that [freshman] year. I know I got a lot better that year."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/bal-sp.hopkins30jan30,0,1044328.story?coll=bal-college-mbasketball
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 30, 2007, 03:05:24 PM
Nice article - Griffin and Nawrocki are one of the better post tandems I can remember in the CC.  But they have to win the conference title to leave their mark.  With the conference so weak this year, they absolutely have to take care of business.

It should be an interesting scene in Baltimore if Hopkins ends up hosting the CC tourney in tiny Goldfarb gym.  The 1,200 listed capacity is a bit generous - maybe with standing room.  A few hundred is more like it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 03:08:21 PM
Are you discounting the seats behind the basket? There's more than a few hundred. It would be a stretch at 1,200 but I would say 800-900 is a reasonable assessment of the permanent seating there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 30, 2007, 03:15:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 03:08:21 PM
Are you discounting the seats behind the basket? There's more than a few hundred. It would be a stretch at 1,200 but I would say 800-900 is a reasonable assessment of the permanent seating there.

No, I was counting those.  Maybe 800-900 isn't a stretch.  Still not a place you'd think ideal for a four-team tournament, but it'll make for a great atmosphere any way you look at it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 30, 2007, 04:32:27 PM
It sounds like everyone is "handing" the CC crown to Hopkins. While they are the favorite, they have to earn it. I remember when F&M was the prohibitive favorite a couple of years ago, and Ursinus beat them on their home court. It's not over til the fat lady sings, and I hope Hopkin players are not eating too many fatty foods along the way.

Go Bears Go
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 31, 2007, 06:16:54 PM
Johns Hopkins at Swarthmore (Men's Basketball)
The 20th ranked Blue Jays (17-2, 11-1) visit Tarble Pavilion to take on the surging Garnet (9-10, 6-6), winners of four of its last five. Hopkins leads the all-time series, 58-35, but is just 4-4 since the inception of the CC at Swarthmore. It will be an interesting matchup between the big men - JHU's Matt Griffin (16.5 ppg, 5.4 rpg) and Danny Nawrocki (12.8, 10.6) against Swat's Ian McCormick (14.3, 9.3) and Steve Wolf (12.9, 6.3).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 31, 2007, 06:19:23 PM
Leo,
you make a good point.  Home teams have won only seven of the 13 previous Centennial title games.  In fact, Hopkins' 1999 crown was won in Chestertown.  Ursinus is 3-0 in finals, including a pair of wins at Helfferich.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 02, 2007, 08:59:06 AM
Saturday's Top Game - Johns Hopkins at Haverford
The 20th ranked Blue Jays (18-2, 12-1 CC) look to avenge their only Centennial loss of the season when they visit the Main Line to take on the Fords (9-10, 8-5). Haverford has won three of the last four meetings at home, but Hopkins got the best of the Fords last season at Gooding Arena, 89-69. You can catch a live video feed of the game, beginning at 4 p.m., at http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/gameday.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 02, 2007, 11:49:53 PM
Dear lord the state of MA hoops when JHU vs the Fords is the best we can muster for a February Saturday.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 04, 2007, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 02, 2007, 11:49:53 PM
Dear lord the state of MA hoops when JHU vs the Fords is the best we can muster for a February Saturday.

Looks like it lived up to commish's billing:  Hopkins 72, Fords 68 in 2 OT.

Ursinus at JHU next weekend should be another good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 09:33:30 AM
Yes, but I have seen both teams play and I can't say these squads are nearly the quality that the Centennial is used to seeing.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 07, 2007, 02:12:43 PM
I find Coach C's comment very interesting about the quality of play within the Conference this year not nearly the quality that he is used to seeing. He may be right, but this year has certainly been entertaining with many games decided by 5 point or less.

Hopkins is ranked 17th by D3hoops, and squeaked by Haverford and Swarthmore the past two weeks. Does that mean we belittle the efforts by Haverford and Swarthmore against a nationally ranked team, or does one question the validity of Hopkin's national ranking. I tend to believe the latter.

The CC teams this year are competitive within the league. However, I do think that the CC teams this year are a step back from previous years when playing teams outside of the Conference. I hope I am proven wrong by the CC champion winning in the first round this year.  Last year's Ursinus team had high expectations to perform well in the tournament, and the loss to SUNY-Farmingdale was a great disappointment. A speed/athletic team against the CC representative will always pose a difficult task.

Maybe Hopkins ranking is legit. If so, doesn't that mean our CC teams play quality basketball. Be that as it may, no one can argue that this season has been dull.

Leo
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 08, 2007, 09:21:16 AM
That was a shocker last night .. McDaniel beating Hopkins    :o   ... or was it not ?

Leo
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2007, 02:54:39 PM
In case anyone in the Centennial Conference is interested, Paul McMullen of The (Baltimore) Sun wrote a wonderful article about Coach Bob Flynn and the McDaniel basketball team after their win over Johns Hopkins.

Here is the a link in case you are interested in reading it:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/bal-sp.flynn09feb09,0,4866077.story
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 10, 2007, 10:38:41 PM
The first half between Hopkins and Ursinus had great shooting, play-making, good defense and referees who were not part of the game and you had to look hard to see if they were on the court. Hopkins up by 2 at the half. Unfortunately, the officiating crew of Elliot, Thomas and Fahey decided that they wanted to be the game and determine who would win the game.

Perhaps the refs didn't appreciate the anger of Coach Small on the body block foul on a Fabian layout that was not called with 10 secs left in the 1st half, and a foul on a Hopkins shot attempt with .3 secs left in the 1st half. University forensic students are still looking for the evidence as to why that foul was called.

My explanation is simple. Each ref took 2 Viagra pills at the half and then went out in the 2nd half to "stick it" to Coach Small and the players. I would like to know why.

I have seen 40+ games over a four year period, and I usually find a reason or two why a team wins or loses. I do not believe that an officiating crew can really determine the outcome of a game. That belief has now been broken. I would like to say that the timely and terrific shooting from the Hopkin guards in the 2nd half was the reason for the win, but I can't. The bias of fouls called on the Bears and the number of Hopkins fouls missed and left on the court gave the win to Hopkins. The Bears never had a chance.

First half has a total of 10 fouls, evenly distributed. Looks innocent and fair. The 2nd half had 24 fouls with Bears having 17 vs Hopkins having 7. Take away 3 to 4 fouls at the end of the game by the Bears, and the officiating was still one-sided. What galls me was that the refs left a number of Hopkins fouls on the floor like over the back, moving picks and not having a player set in taking a charge. Moreover, we all like to see the refs call it on both ends of the floor. Why call the ticky-tack fouls on the Bears?

Johnny Carson played a character called the Great Carnac. Ed, give me the envelop please.

Answer:  The Three Stooges, Three Blind Mice, Monkey See No Evil-Speak No Evil   
               and Hear No Evil.

Question: What other famous trios can you name for Dave Elliot, Bill Thomas , and
                 Tom Fahey who were the officiating crew between Hopkins and Ursinus.


Leo
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bluejays on February 11, 2007, 12:49:18 PM
Looking at my user name I am obviously a little bit biased here. However, you really lose a lot of credibility Leo making an argument like that. Why is it so implausible (and this goes for any game not just this one) that one team is fouling more than the other? Especially when Hopkins has two All Conference post players they try to go to just about every possession. Of course the other team is going to have more fouls called on them.

I agree on the Fabian no call and there was one charge that should not have been called on Ursinus that I can remember. From this side I would say that was absolutely a foul with .3 seconds left I think because it directly followed the bad Fabian no call you didn't see it clearly. In addition, the worst call of the game was on Doug Polster who waws called for a foul on a 3 that was not even close. I will also add every time Nawrocki makes a post move and doesn't get a foul as a missed call

This was an intense, exciting game that could have gone either way. Timely shooting (Valerio 15 in the second half) is actually exactly why Hopkins won yesterday. Blaming the officials for this is absurd.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 14, 2007, 09:12:04 PM
Hopkins is upset again and falls out of the national rankings.

Leo
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Terrorizer24 on February 16, 2007, 10:35:58 AM
With Hopkins struggling, the conference tourny looks to be wide open?  Any thoughts going into the final weekend?  I see Hopkins, Ursinas, Haverford, Gettysburg and McDaniel.  McDaniel over Gettysburg in the 4-5 game, Ursinas over Haverford in the 2-3 game.  Then McDaniel and Hopkins will battle it out in that semifinal, remember McDaniel defeated Hopkins at Hopkins last week.  Could be very exciting.  Let's hear your thoughts....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2007, 04:59:40 PM
Leo - curious... yes JHU lost... but last I checked the new national rankings don't come out until Monday or Tuesday of next wekk. How are you so sure they will fall out of the rankings?

I'm not saying it won't happen... but you seem sure of yourself!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Terrorizer24 on February 16, 2007, 10:37:49 PM
Everyone is sure of this one.  #24 loses to an unranked, sub .500 team, means you drop more than 1 spot, out of the top 25, everyone knows that.  use your head d-mac
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 11:07:52 PM
Yes, but JHU doesn't actually fall out of the national rankings until there are new national rankings voted on. I think that's what he was getting at. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 16, 2007, 11:44:35 PM
Any resonable and respectable hoops fan, especially the respectable Mr. Coleman  :) , would agree that Hopkins three losses within the conference would not maintain their national ranking unless the poll voters view the CC as an exceptional conference.

My comment about Hopkins falling out of the national rankings was a scarcastic remark as to whether or not their national ranking was deserved. My past comments indicate where I stand on that issue.

This season has certainly been interesting. A number of teams could win the crown, and I will share my thoughts after this weekend   :).

Leo


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2007, 01:07:06 AM
Well, I didn't think Hopkins should have been ranked either, not on the strength of its victories compared to its bad loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 17, 2007, 09:52:13 AM
It's the final weekend of regular-season play in men's basketball and playoff spots are still up for grabs.

Gettysburg at Dickinson (Men's Basketball)
The Bullets (11-12, 9-8 CC) are the hottest team in the Conference - winners of nine of their last 12 games - and can wrap up a playoff berth with a victory over the Red Devils (7-16, 5-12). Gettysburg has won five straight in the series to take a 107-66-1 all-time advantage.

McDaniel at Washington (Men's Basketball)
The Green Terror (11-13, 8-9) cannot lock up a spot with a victory over the Shoremen (3-20, 2-15), but cannot get into the playoffs without a victory. McDaniel has won three of the last four from Washington since ending a 14-game losing streak to the Shoremen last season.

Muhlenberg at Ursinus (Men's Basketball)
The Mules (9-14, 8-9) are almost in the same situation as McDaniel - cannot secure a berth with a win but go to the brink of elimination with a loss. The Bears (16-8, 13-4) are the No. 2 seed for the tournament. Ursinus has won six straight from Muhlenberg at Helfferich Hall since a 63-60 Mule triumph in 2000.

Swarthmore at Haverford (Men's Basketball)
As if this rivalry needs more fuel ... the Garnet (11-13, 8-9) needs to beat the Fords (12-11, 11-6) and get some help to qualify for the playoffs for the first time since 1997. Haverford is in the tournament as the No. 3 seed, but would love to knock their arch-rivals out of the playoffs. Swarthmore has won three straight from the Fords for the first time since 1996-97 to take a 90-61 series advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 19, 2007, 09:37:58 AM
I would like to extend a sincere congratulation and respect to the McDaniel team for the way they fought and carried Coach Flynn's spirit to the end of the season. We get on the blog and we jab, rant and poke fun at our opponents (and referees). However, the true champions are the McDaniel players who played with their hearts on their sleeves. Coach Flynn is smiling  :) with great pride on how they played.

Leo

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 20, 2007, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: Leo on February 19, 2007, 09:37:58 AM
I would like to extend a sincere congratulation and respect to the McDaniel team for the way they fought and carried Coach Flynn's spirit to the end of the season. We get on the blog and we jab, rant and poke fun at our opponents (and referees). However, the true champions are the McDaniel players who played with their hearts on their sleeves. Coach Flynn is smiling  :) with great pride on how they played.

Leo

Nice post, Leo.  I think a lot of people were pulling for McDaniel to make the playoffs.  Regardless of how it turned out, the team will be remembered for how it carried through the difficult times.

Playoffs begin tomorrow with Muhlenberg traveling to Gettysburg for the 4-5 game.  Lots of uncertaintly in this year's tournament.  Predictions on All-CC team or playoff results?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 20, 2007, 10:03:43 PM
I am giving Gettysburg a slight edge over the Mules tommorrow night. Two reasons: (1) home court advantage, and (2) Gettysburg backcourt is a bit more consistent than the Mules.  If Scott from the Mules is hot, then he could carry them to the next round. However, I give Gettysburg a win by 5.

Leo
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 21, 2007, 09:59:22 AM
It's the opening night of the 2007 Centennial men's basketball tournament with a first-round game scheduled for Bream Gym in Gettysburg.

Muhlenberg at Gettysburg, 7:30
If past history is any indication, this one should be tight and come right down to the wire. The fifth-seeded Mules (10-14, 9-9 CC) travel to Gettysburg to take on the fourth-seeded Bullets (12-12, 10-8) for the right to meet top-seeded Johns Hopkins in the semifinals.  The teams played a pair of overtime games during the regular season with the Mules winning at Bream Gym (67-64) and the Bullets winning at Memorial Hall (71-64).  Gettysburg is 2-0 vs. Muhlenberg in the CC post-season, winning the 2001 title (68-59) and the 2002 semifinal (68-59) - both in Allentown.  This is the 133rd meeting between the schools with 'Berg holding a 70-62 series lead over 'Burg.  Watch the game LIVE on CCTV (http://www.centennial.org/cctv/)  Listen to the game LIVE on WMUH (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/realaud.html).  Follow LIVE stats and play-by-play, courtesy of Gettysburg Sports Information (http://gettysburgsports.com/live/mbball/).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 21, 2007, 02:46:59 PM
2007 All-Centennial Conference Men's Basketball Team
First Team
Pos / Name      Cl   Ht   Hometown / High School
G-Nick Shattuck, Ursinus *   Jr   6-5   Ardsley, PA / La Salle
G-Dan Capkin, Gettysburg (A)   So   6-2   Wynnewood, PA / Lower Merion
F-Matt Griffin, Johns Hopkins (A) *   Sr   6-7   Glen Mills, PA / Penncrest
F-Will Furey, Ursinus %   Sr   6-8   Lansdale, PA / La Salle
F-Danny Nawrocki, Johns Hopkins #   Sr   6-6   Syosset, NY / Chaminade

Second Team
Pos / Name      Cl   Ht   Hometown / High School
G-T.J. Valerio, Johns Hopkins #   Sr   6-3   Blue Bell, PA / St. Joseph's Prep
G-Chaz Thomas, Haverford   So   6-1   Huntington, NY / Wyandanch Memorial
G-Kizmahr Grell, Dickinson   So   6-0   Laurelton, NY / The Gunnery
F-Joey Breslin, Washington   Sr   6-7   Hagerstown, MD / St. Maria Goretti
F-Ray Brown, Haverford   Sr   6-6   Baltimore, MD / St. Paul's School
F-Ian McCormick, Swarthmore   Jr   6-8   Seattle, WA / University Prep

Honorable Mention
Pos / Name      Cl   Ht   Hometown / High School
G-Ryan Brandenburg, McDaniel   So   5-9   Mt. Airy, MD / Urbana
G-Matt Kurman, Swarthmore   Jr   6-0   Rockville, MD / Walter Johnson
F-Tom Scott, Muhlenberg (A)   Sr   6-4   Edison, NJ / St. Joseph
F-Matt Fabian, Ursinus   Jr   6-6   Pottstown, PA / Owen J. Roberts
F-Tom Leszczynski, Dickinson   So   6-10   West Babylon, NY / St. Anthony's

*    1st team All-Centennial in 2006
#   2nd team All-Centennial in 2006
%   Honorable Mention All-Centennial in 2006
(A)   Named to 2007 Conference Academic Honor Roll

Player of the Year - Nick Shattuck, Ursinus, Jr., G

Notes
?   Shattuck is the fifth consecutive and sixth overall player from Ursinus to earn Conference Player of the Year honors. Previous recipients include Rich Barrett (2001), Dan Luciano (2003), Dennis Stanton (2004) and Mike McGarvey (2005-06).  Shattuck was a unanimous first-team selection.

?   Shattuck and Griffin become the 19th and 20th players to earn first-team All-Centennial honors twice.  Only Ursinus' Rich Barrett (1999-00-01) and Muhlenberg's Mark Lesko (2000-01-02) have received the honor three times.

?   Franklin & Marshall (17) has the most first-team selections in the 14-year history of the Conference, followed by Ursinus (13), Muhlenberg (11), Johns Hopkins (10), Gettysburg (8), Washington (4), Haverford (3), Dickinson (2), McDaniel (2) and Swarthmore (2).

?   Three students were also named to the Conference Academic Honor Roll, which recognizes sophomores, junior and seniors who are key performers and have a 3.40 cumulative grade point average or higher.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 21, 2007, 03:33:44 PM
I am not going to lie and say I expected another Bear to earn POY honors.  It was a real surprise to Shattuck named POY (not saying he didn't deserve it but I really thought it was going to go to Griffin).  Looking at the recent POY honorees, you have to give credit to Coach Small for his recruitment and player development.  I just wanted to say congrats to all the players who were recognized and I cant wait to see what happens this weekend in Baltimore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bluejays on February 21, 2007, 07:11:41 PM
I am also certainly not going to say Shattuck did not deserve POY. The race between him and Griffin was dead even. However I though Hopkins 1st place finish and being a senior would give the slight edge to Griffin. I wish it could wait a week and take the conference tournament into account. If Griffin has a big tournament and Hopkins takes it then it would be tough to say he should not be. Or maybe Shattuck goes out and affirms the selection. Guess we will have to see...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 22, 2007, 08:30:15 PM
Well, it is time for my predictions. I have poured over the stats and tried to remember the games that I saw to assist me in who will the Conference Championship. So, let me start of easy and say ... any one of these teams could win it all  ;D. Let me first list the key (or keys) for each team:

Hopkins - Coach Nelson is the key to Hopkins success. How he decides on his guard substitution among Valerio, kamm, Beggans and Polster throughout the game will determine how far they will go. Hopkins has the best group of guards, but how long does Nelson stay with a Valerio who is not hitting his shots, or does Nelson make quick substitutions and affect the team's flow.

Ursinus - turnovers, turnovers and turnovers ... the key for the Bears will be how they handle the ball. The youth of Cousart, McGarvey, Page and Noonan will be tested. The Bear's strength lies with their inside game of Furey, Shattuck and Fabian, which I believe is the best front court in the Conference. The front line needs to set the tone, hold onto the ball, and show these young guys that the winning tradition can continue. They need to limit their number of turnovers to around 10-12 and not an average of 17.

Gettysburg - No doubt that Gettysburg's future is bright with the play of Capkin, Spierenburg and Dorsey (2 sophs and a frosh). Their key will be poise, and not let the Hopkin fans intimidate them. Their first meeting against Hopkins was relatively even at half, but their shooting in the 2nd half was terrible. Their win against Hopkins was based on playing a solid 40 mins. Against the Mules on Wed., they did not get rattled when they were down by 5 with 5 mins or so to go. But the Mules are not Hopkins. I think Gettysburg has to play a perfect game to get by Hopkins, but they have the talent for the upset.

Haverford - Chaz Thomas needs to lead Haverford and play a fantastic game to have Brown and Nowacki ride his co-tails for the upset. I see Thomas's role the same as it was for Tom Scott and the Mules. Their team play is based on how they perform.

The envelope please ..........

Hopkins over Gettysburg.
Ursinus over Haverford.

Championship Game:   Ursinus over Hopkins

It will be a physical, inside game of Furey, Fabian and Shattuck over Nowacki and Griffin that will be the difference in the game. I think it will be a great battle to the end, and the Bear Warriors will be the last ones standing.

Leo



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 24, 2007, 09:51:04 AM
Goldfarb Gym at Johns Hopkins University will be rocking today for the men's basketball final four. The host Blue Jays take on Gettysburg in the first semifinal at 2 p.m. on Saturday, while Ursinus and Haverford square off in the other semi. The title tilt is slated for 3 p.m. on Sunday. You can watch all three games on CCTV - the Centennial Conference's streaming video setup. Haverford will also stream video of its contests. Finally, you can listen to the Johns Hopkins games and the championship game via D3hoops.net.

You can also get live stats and play-by-play from Johns Hopkins. Enjoy your Saturday!

http://www.centennial.org/cctv/ - CCTV
http://stream.haverford.edu:8080/ramgen/broadcast/live.rm- Haverford video
http://webhost5.nts.jhu.edu/wjhu/remote.pls- Johns Hopkins audio
http://www.hopkinssports.com/- live stats
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 26, 2007, 08:32:38 AM
It looks like those who made it to Goldfarb Gym this weekend saw an excellent tournament.  Congrats to Bill Nelson and the Blue Jays on their second CC title.  The trio of Nawrocki, Griffin, and Valerio should give Hopkins a chance to advance a few rounds into NCAAs.  At 23-4, they deserve at least one home game -- we'll see what the committee thinks when the brackets are announced this morning.

Haverford's Chaz Thomas sounds like he could be a force in this conference and region the next couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 12:01:13 AM
Hey guys, we're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by Friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Would someone here be willing to do one for Johns Hopkins? Thanks much!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2007, 11:33:16 AM
As Goldfarb Gym gets ready to host the regional this weekend, some pre-tourney info:

Broadcast
Dave McHugh will call the Hopkins regional.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

Manhattanville (23-5) vs. Guilford (21-4)  6 p.m.
Villa Julie (20-7) at Johns Hopkins (23-4)  8 p.m.


• Interesting Around the Nation feature on JHU forward Matt Griffin:
http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/

Baltimore Sun preview of JHU, Villa Julie, and Hood:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/bal-sp.d302mar02,0,3858846.story?coll=bal-college-mbasketball

• Nice breakdown on the Jays by Gordon Mann over at the Tourney Preview board:
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.msg691813#msg691813
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2007, 11:13:34 PM
Hopkins rebounds from an 18-point deficit to defeat Villa Julie in the NCAA first round, 84-72, in a packed Goldfarb Gym.

The Blue Jays get the NCAA hex off the Centennial's back by becoming the first non-F&M team since 1998 to win a tournament game (JHU won a first-rounder in 1998).

JHU faces Guilford (22-4), which smoked Manhattanville, 101-81.  The Quakers are led by 6-11 Ben Strong, the ODAC Player of the Year - 23.6 ppg and 11.1 rpg.  Challenging matchup for Griffin and Nawrocki.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on June 26, 2007, 07:54:47 PM
Centennial Fans -

Please see the recent news article in the Lancaster Newspapers to which I have provided a link below:

http://www.local.lancasteronline.com/4/206095

Perhaps this will start some discussion over the remainder of the summer since this room has been quiet since early March.

Hope everyone is enjoying the summer. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 16, 2007, 11:13:03 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 04, 2007, 06:07:16 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

Well, the colleges have been back in session now for almost two weeks. I just wondered if anyone had any interesting information to offer or to report on recruiting, new arrivals, transfers, or unexpected non-returnees around the Conference, etc? Who are freshmen who could be the next stars? Which teams will be at the top this year? Predictions? Scuttlebut? Suggestions? Surprises? Disappointments? Please advise.

Welcome back to all. Let's get this room going again! I don't know about you, but I can hardly wait until pratice begins and November rolls around! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach C on September 05, 2007, 09:57:14 AM
I guess something has changed in lancaster if they're waiting for November to begin practice ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on September 06, 2007, 07:36:17 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on September 04, 2007, 06:07:16 PM
Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

Well, the colleges have been back in session now for almost two weeks. I just wondered if anyone had any interesting information to offer or to report on recruiting, new arrivals, transfers, or unexpected non-returnees around the Conference, etc? Who are freshmen who could be the next stars? Which teams will be at the top this year? Predictions? Scuttlebut? Suggestions? Surprises? Disappointments? Please advise.

Welcome back to all. Let's get this room going again! I don't know about you, but I can hardly wait until pratice begins and November rolls around! Regards to all.

Eric

Eric-

It looks wide open.  For years, you could usually say F&M was the favorite heading into the season.  But given how the Dips have resembled the Hindenburg more than CC contenders the past two years, I don't see how anyone can say they're even in the top few teams.  I don't know how good Scovill will be, but let's face it: the Dips had no talent on the roster last year.  It looks like such a different program from just a few years ago.  I don't know what Robinson's recruits look like, but it's the most important class he's had in a long time.

I think Chaz Thomas will emerge as a POY contender for Haverford.  Hopkins should come back to the pack with the losses of Griffin and Nawrocki.  Ursinus will probably be there in the end.  And we'll see if the CC can improve its usually mediocre non-conference record.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 23, 2007, 07:45:50 PM
Fellow Diplomat Fans -

The F&M 2007-2008 schedule has been posted on the F&M website for about one month. I see the new roster has also just been posted on the site within the last week. A link to it is provided below. I will provide a link to the schedule in a subsequent posting.

ftp://http://godiplomats.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/frma-m-baskbl-mtt.html

It looks like there are many changes afoot for this year at Mayser for the Diplomats. The roster indicates that only eight players from last year are returning.

If the roster posted is accurate it appears as if rising seniors Adam Leonard, Mantas Paulaskas, Evan Hamme, and Brandon Yost; and rising junior Pat Pryzb are all not returning to the squad! This is in addition to last year's three graduates - Logan Outerbridge, Brian Teschke, Mike McCaffrey. Seems to be quite a roster shake-up. I don't know if any of the apparent departures are injury-related. Leonard, Hamme, and Yost all played significant minutes at different times last year. I would think the biggest losses mught be Leonard and Hamme.

Aside from transfer Scovill, does anyone know anything about any of the eight new recruits? Looks like there is another transfer listed in addition to Scovill. Should be quite a different look this year. GRob will apparently have have his work cut out for him and plenty of coaching to do this year.

Is there any other news from around the conference? Please advise. Bring on the season! ;D

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 23, 2007, 07:52:27 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

See the link below for more interesting reading on another Conference Member:

ftp://http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2007/10/23/sports/esports102307.txt

Enjoy. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 23, 2007, 10:13:15 PM
Drastic changes at F&M, not injury related.
Last year's players indicated that their priorities have changed.
New players should be exciting.  Several of the freshmen look like they have potential.
Hines and Scovill have played together previously.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on October 24, 2007, 07:27:55 AM
You can now watch all of Franklin & Marshall's home games live, including non F&M games played in Mayser during the Rotary Tip-Off and Sponaugle New Year Tournaments...

http://godiplomats.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/102007aaa.html (http://godiplomats.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/102007aaa.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on October 26, 2007, 02:01:29 PM
Outstanding news about the link to F&M home games.  I'll probably take advantage of that--unless there's a cost.  It was a little unclear on the site.

I remember they tried to start with this last year, but they had a lot of glitches.  I hope they get worked out before the season. 

I'm also glad the roster is turning over.  At best, I get to maybe one game a year, if time permits.  But obviously, I miss the days when they were on top. 
I know nothing about the current roster, but in GRob we trust.  If it's true that several players are not as committed to the team, then it's cool that they go.  It wouldn't be fair to them or to the team if they continue. 

I just hope the new players are good.  .500 teams just don't cut it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on October 28, 2007, 08:55:52 AM
There is a cost involved. A single game is six dollars, while a season pass runs $50. That will get you all of F&M's basketball games from Mayser, and road games against any other school using B2 Networks.

I promise that this is nothing like you would remember done in the past by anyone in this conference. We learned a lot of lesssons from the Centennial's foray into live video streams for hoops and the swimming championships. This is as close to television quailty as you can find on the web - it matches the level of picture quality the NCAA put out for the women's lacrosse semis if you happened upon that.

The feedback from football folks has been nothing but positive. If you have a good high speed connection coming down, you will be stunned to see where this technology is compared to a year ago. You can plug your computer into your TV and enjoy F&M hoops from the sofa!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on October 28, 2007, 06:11:46 PM
It sounds awesome, but I don't know if it's cost friendly.  If you think about it, I could get the entire major league baseball package online for about $95, which is 162 games per team, 30 teams.  HBO or Showtime costs less during the 3-4 month period. 

I may consider individual games, but I'll think about it.  It's still division III hoops.  When I was a student, I would watch for free.  It's a cool idea, but a bit pricey. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on October 29, 2007, 08:25:20 PM
Fair enough. We knew going in that a cost would put some people off. I try to think of it in terms of gas mileage! I hope that you'll give it a try for a game or two. I hope that you'll make it to Mayser for a game or two. Please feel free to drop me any additional feedback if you do give it a shot. If you don't, we'll still have the live stats up and running on the web site.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on November 02, 2007, 04:31:33 PM
I try to make it every so often.  My fraternity has its Founders Day celebration every February.  When I'm lucky, it coincides with a home game, (usually the alumni game which is an added bonus).

I've seen F&M hoops in 6 different states.  If anything, you should at least have a free audio broadcast. 

More important, I really the season is good.  I know nothing about the current state of the team, other than it hasn't been that good over the last 2 years.  They lost more games last year than in my entire 4 years at the school, and maybe even a few years after I graduated.  I'm not used to that.  I don't want to GET used to that either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 04, 2007, 12:39:16 PM
Looking forward to the start of the season. Followed this league for a long time, new to posting. Looks like Gettysburg may be the team to beat this year with Swat capable of surprising. Haverford lost their big guy but look to be a contender with Ursinus despite losing 2 starters always dangerous. F&M hard to figure with all the roster moves, Muhlenberg will be young having lost 7 seniors, Johns Hopkins lost their big guys and Dickinson, McDaniel and Washington young but improving. Should be an interesting year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 07, 2007, 08:31:35 PM


Fellow Diplomat Fans (and other Centennial Conference fans as well) -

I was just on the F&M website's Athletics Department page and noticed that the SID has recently posted the pre-season preview. It provides some basic information on the new recruits and GRob's outlook and expectations for the coming 2007-2008 season. You may find it to be interesting reading. So, I have taken the liberty of posting the link to said preview. It follows below:

//http://godiplomats.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110707aaa.html

Enjoy. Perhaps, it will get some discussions and buzz going in this room! It is far too quiet and tame in here?!?

It is only just over one week until the season starts! Yeh! I can't hardly wait - bring it on! Good luck to all Centennial Conference members.

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on November 08, 2007, 07:10:00 AM
Crambam -

Free audio from Mayser would conflict with our agreement with B2, but we will still offer live stats (hoops sked page and bottom of GoDiplomats.com).  We will have free audio from WFMN for select road games, and will always link you to the opponent's radio/internet stream when available and not covered by WFNM.

- or -

Check in on this page on gameday: http://godiplomats.cstv.com/multimedia/broadcasts.html  (http://godiplomats.cstv.com/multimedia/broadcasts.html) to see what multimedia offerings are available.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 08, 2007, 01:42:08 PM
Preseason poll is out.  Ursinus gets the nod with POY Nick Shattuck returning.  It's surprising not to see him gain (at least) an Honorable Mention nod on this site's Preseason All-America team.

1. Ursinus (7) 137
2. Gettysburg (5) 136
3. Haverford (4) 121
4. Johns Hopkins 111
5. Franklin & Marshall (2) 100
6. Dickinson (2)   89
7. Swarthmore   66
8. McDaniel   65
9. Muhlenberg   55
10. Washington   20
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: heartofachampion on November 08, 2007, 05:12:22 PM
It feels like I have not posted on here in a year or two...oh wait it has!

I read the article on F&M's website the other day as well and I am not sure how I feel about this years team.  G Rob seems to think he has a team to build around and gives a positive tone, not sure if this is because the last few years have been rough and he wants people to be upbeat or if he has some serious recruits and is ready to make a run in a few years.  I will say this, it seems every time F&M has a down run for a year or two (Mid/late 90's) they make a run.  I am hoping this means they are making a run!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 08, 2007, 06:52:22 PM

r. w. -

Thanks for posting the Centennial Conference Pre-Season Poll. You beat me to it! I was going to check the Conference website later this evening. The Pre-Season Poll of coaches and SID's looks just about right to me.

However, given all of the talent and experience lost to graduation, I am a bit surprised that JHU is ranked as high as they are. The Jays are never quite as good when they lack a dominant inside presence and have to rely on their guard and swingmen (small forwards). I might have reversed them and the Dips in the ranking.

I definitely would have ranked Haverford ahead of Gettysburg. I think this will be one of the Fords' strongest teams in many years. A strong team will compliment their relatively new arena. If you haven't been there yet, it is outstanding compared to the old gym! I think the Bullets can be good, I am just not sure how good.

Finally, in my humble opinion, the bottom half of the pool looks OK to me. It appears to be the right teams in the right order. Sorry about that guys.

What are your thoughts? Please advise.

Here's hoping the "new blood" (recruits) restores the Dips to their traditional emphasis on DEFENSE, team play, and winning ways! Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 08, 2007, 07:09:13 PM

Folks -

I am normally a poster in the Centennial Conference room. However, I found this link on the Conference website to an article in The Baltimore Sun containing pre-season previews more than just the Maryland members of the Centennial Conference. So, I am also posting it and sharing in the rooms of several other conferences: AMCC, CAC, and Landmark.

The link follows below:

//http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/bal-sp.smallcaps06nov06,0,2462025.story?page=2

Enjoy! Bring on the season. Good luck to all teams. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 08, 2007, 07:18:27 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

Here is the link to the Conference's pre-season preview poll of both coaches and SIDS's that r. w. and I have been discussing. It is for both Men's and Women's basketball.

The link follows below:

//http://www.centennial.org/polls/winter08.html

Enjoy! Any thoughts, oppinions, or comments to spur discussion in here. It is far too quiet this close to the start of the season!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 08, 2007, 07:27:51 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans (especially those Golden Bear fans) -

In the dual interests of infromation-sharing and objectivity, I am providing a link to today's article in The Pottstown Mercury concerning the pre-season poll and the Bears. It is as follows:

Click here (http://www.pottsmerc.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily;jsessionid=2SX2HxKX02pqWzZwVxsWKP0yqt0NhrKr6pVvKQcpH70LQTlgMSlV!-219145502?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=%2FPTM%2FSports&r21.content=%2FPTM%2FSports%2FTopStoryList_Story_827400)

Enjoy the season. Good luck and regards to all!


Eric

P. S. - I didn't want to be accused of being a "hopeless homer" or "shill" for my Diplomats. We are supposed to get light snow up here in southwest-central PA tomorrow! Can you believe that it is that time of year already?



Edited for formatting -- Thanks, Ralph Turner ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on November 09, 2007, 08:39:26 AM
Its good to see UC picked first in the coach's poll but I dont understand how they could finish first. I am sure that they will make the playoffs but first place seems kind of lofty. I know they have the returning POY but what else.  They lost both forwards to graduation and I cant see what they already had doing all that much damage (unless the freshman are something, this will probably end up being a guard dominated team). I guess I am just skeptical since I graduated but seeing UC picked first was really a surprise to me.  Could someone enlighten me?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 09, 2007, 01:08:26 PM
bearsfan1 -

I think the coaches and SIDs have respect for Kevin Small's program.  With no obvious powerhouse in the CC, and the return of Shattuck and a good backcourt, Ursinus gets the benefit of the doubt.  But Gettysburg is just a single point behind the Bears in the poll, so there really isn't a clear favorite.  Chaz Thomas and Haverford will have something to say about the race as well.


Eric -

I agree, defense has been sorely lacking in Mayser the past two years.  Combine that with a serious lack of playmakers on the offensive end, and it's been a recipe for disaster.  The days of 26 wins and deep NCAA runs have faded away quickly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on November 10, 2007, 05:17:41 PM
Have there been any roster changes at F&M to suggest a reversal of the trend?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 11, 2007, 09:41:50 AM
Mules looked good against Albright in a scrimmage Friday.  After 40 minutes, Mules led 70-62. Both coaches used a number of different combos so it's hard to evaluate the score but Mules big guys played well and team shot well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 11, 2007, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: crambam on November 10, 2007, 05:17:41 PM
Have there been any roster changes at F&M to suggest a reversal of the trend?

crambam -

This article in today's Sunday News might interest you.  Hard to say anything before the ball is tipped on Friday, however, so take it for what it's worth!

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/212220
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 12, 2007, 06:00:03 PM

r. w. -

Thanks for posting the article. It was interesting reading. I am sure there will be other articles in the two daily papers in Lancaster. I will try to post them if I see them. Otherwise, here's looking toward a much improved season and a return to normal at Mayser Center!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on November 12, 2007, 06:01:13 PM
Anyone have any word about how the Dips fared in any of their preseason scrimmages?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nescac1 on November 13, 2007, 02:17:38 PM
Williams fan here.  Other than Shattuck, who on Ursinus is noteworthy?  What style of team are they?   

I also can speak about one recruit in this league.  I am familiar with James McNally (F&M) and I believe he will be a big time player at the Div-III level, he definitely got some higher looks.  He is very strong / physical for his age with a nice scoring touch, and dominated at a fairly high level of competition (big school league in central jersey).  I would be surprised if he does not develop into an all-league caliber player.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 13, 2007, 05:08:02 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on November 13, 2007, 02:17:38 PM
Williams fan here.  Other than Shattuck, who on Ursinus is noteworthy?  What style of team are they?  

An Ursinus fan would probably be more helpful, but here's what I can add:

Shattuck is the latest in a line of star players for Kevin Small.  Most of the offense will run through him because he can score inside and outside (he averaged over 20 ppg as a junior).  They lost two starting big men but return 6-10 Michael Shema.  Cousart is a solid point guard.  Not sure about any newcomers, etc., but they usually recruit well.

Thanks for the info on McNally - F&M hasn't had a really good big man since Juskin graduated a few years ago.  We'll see if they've got one soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 14, 2007, 10:35:38 AM


Fellow Diplomat (an other Centennial Conference) Fans -

Here is a link to an article that ran in one of Lancaster's daily newspapers today. It offers some interesting reading on the Dips' new recruits and potential starting line-up. We haven't had any impact transfers from other divisions since Jack Wright! Sounds like the outlook is very positive and encouraging.

//http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/212381

Enjoy! Are any of you folks going to make it to Mayser Center this weekend for a first-hand look at the 2007-2008 Dips? If so, please offer comments and impressions early next week.

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 14, 2007, 08:36:22 PM

nescac1 -

I appreciate the scouting report on and encouraging analysis of McNally. Did you see him play in person? Please advise. Sounds like he has a tremendous upside.

Looks like GRob must have done a better job of recruiting this year! That's what was missing the last two years - that hard-to-find mix of ability, mental and physical toughness, "coachability", and hard-nosed desire. Hopefully, he hates to lose and will be really "coachable" and fully develop throughout his four years in Mayser Center. The various newspaper articles seem to indicate that he will see alot of playing time as a freshman.

What Division I programs were interested in him or vice versa?

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nescac1 on November 15, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
Sounds like Ursinus should be a good test for where the Ephs' stand.  Williams got off to a horrific start last year with a very young team, but expectations are much higher this year.

As for McNally, I have not seen him play, but he attended my high school so I have followed his career and heard only good things (I also hear he had a very strong academics, so I was hoping he might consider Williams).  I don't know if he had any Div I offers, but I read that some Patriot League schools were at least checking him out.  Because of his size and strength, he was able to physically dominate most of the competition in H.S., so there may be an adjustment period, but he definitely played some solid competition in Group IV New Jersey (Bridgewater has produced some big-time players in the past, including NBA'er Eric Murdock and a few other guys who played in the Big East). 

More on McNally:

http://www.metrohoops.com/Magazine%20James%20MCnally.htm
http://www.nj.com/hssports/boysbasketball/ledger/index.ssf?/hssports/boysbasketball/stories/somerset.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on November 15, 2007, 03:20:17 PM
The last few posts show a hell of a benefit to this board.  This is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. 

Given the last 2 seasons, I wouldn't care if Coach Robinson wanted to have a freshmen five starters, and let them grow together.  If they are this good, they could actually gel by CC tourney time and become something.

That can definitely happen.  I always felt that the 1993 team (first year post-Lasky era) really gelled at the right time.  The team just got WAY better at the end of the season than at the beginning.

Coach Robinson can't possibly be happy with the last 2 years.  I know as an alum who spent a lot of time yelling at Mayser, when they don't make the tournament, it sickens me.  Call it spoiled, but winning is everything, and I really want Robinson to get that national title.

I love the idea of a DI transfer.

Hopefully they will roll through Sponaugle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: heartofachampion on November 15, 2007, 05:12:40 PM
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/212456

Article on F&M in todays paper.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 15, 2007, 06:41:07 PM

nescac1 -

Thanks for your follow-up post and the links you provided. They were very intersting and encouraging reading for all Diplomat fans. I think we need to hear more from you in this room! Keep on posting.


crambam -

I couldn't agree with you more concerning GRob and being spoiled by many outstanding players and seasons. I also agree that if the freshmen are as good as advertised they should start or, at the very least, play alot of minutes by the end of the regular season. Both the Lasky/Finch-led teams and the Janetta/Detz-led teams started many underclassmen and were very successful in their respective regular seasons and deep into the tornaments.

Concerning the Division I transfers, it their academics are strong, I think it is great that they transfer and get more playing time then they got at their respective Division I schools. Everyone deserves a chance to shine.

The other observation that I will offer about past teams is that the last squad to visit Salem in 2000 (Alex Kraft, Cas Thomas, Mike Ritacco, Jerome Maiatico, Dave Manzo, Mark Sadowski, and Grant Sporny) also gelled at the right time at the end of the year. They had a decent start to the season with Jerome in Italy and, after he returned, a horrible mid-season stretch in late January when they lost five of seven)!


heart -

Thanks for posting the link to today's Lancaster Newspapers article. You beat me to it as I saw it early this morning but was too busy today to get on D3hoops until now! Sounds like Scovill will be a real contributor. It is too bad that he didn't start out at F&M as a freshman.

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 16, 2007, 07:37:53 AM
Good luck to the Centennial teams as they start the season tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on November 16, 2007, 07:52:05 AM
Gelling at the right time is probably the most important thing.  From what I remember of the Jannetta era, they only gelled at the right time once.  They were always a strong team and always tournament worthy, and always capable of taking the title.  But they seemed to play their best basketball a little bit earlier in the year.  So they would end up getting upset in the tournament because to win that, you need to be at your absolute best. 

The one point loss to Rowan still bugs me because that was the year they were gelling in March.  I think a few bad calls killed them and that had they won that game, they might have taken the whole thing.

Oh well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 16, 2007, 10:50:41 AM
Here's the 2008 CC media guide.  Lots of good info here:
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/mediaguide08/men/index.html

Best of luck to everyone this weekend.  That cold wind outside means it's time for some hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: heartofachampion on November 17, 2007, 10:35:45 AM
Anyone see the F&M game last night?  According to the paper they looked impressive, but I never trust the Lancaster papers...they tend to sugar coat things!

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 17, 2007, 01:14:09 PM
F&M had a good start.  The opponent makes the score deceptive.  Scovill and Hines, teammatess in high school, played solid games.  Selig looked a lot stronger than last year.  Everyone on the bench got to play.  I liked the play of Brooks and Tolliver.  The freshman point guard, Sullivan, had his moments, good and bad, but looks like he has a lot of potential.  The team played with a lot more enthusiasm than last year.  The team was aggressive on the boards.  F&M will be much better than last year especially once they get some experience--a lot of new faces.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: heartofachampion on November 18, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
Anyone go tot he F&M game last night?  What happened?  Did we see the good and the bad parts of being a young team this weekend?  Good talent, youth make mistakes, etc.

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2007, 04:58:50 PM
heartofachampion, your answer is yes.
Sullivan played a decent game, but his inexperience came into play.
Also, a lot of key extra points were missed.
Hines struggled with his shot the second half.  Most of his shots just rimmed out.  If a few of his shots had dropped, he would have had a great game.
F&M had a chance to win with the last shot, but rushed the shot.
I thought they would go for a three, but instead they drove for a two to tie.  The shot was missed, but F&M came up with the rebound for a second chance.  Unfortunately, the shooter wasn't aware that he had time to set up a shot and fired it while coming down with the rebound.
There were still a lot of positives in the game, and, hopefully, experience will help the team to have a successful season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2007, 01:46:39 PM
Hey... busy weekend of basketball and I am at the Provident Pride of Maryland Tournament where McDaniel, Johns Hopkins, and Washington are playing.

If anyone is curious about what is happening and can't make the game, I am blogging court-side on the Daily Dose.
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/11/24/court-side-at-the-provident-pride-tournament/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2007, 11:46:15 PM
Not many people chatting about the Centennial Conference... that's too bad this year... because this could be an exciting year in the CC.

And the first "surprise" out of the blocks... McDaniel.

The Green Terror was picked to finish 8th in the CC this year... but are off to a 3-0 start after winning the Provident Pride of Maryland Tournament with a thrilling, 3OT win over Hood in the championship game.

McDaniel beat Villa Julie and Salisbury on the way and fought with a very good Hood team to win it.

Gettysburg is obviously out to a good start and other schools will be tough, but I think some people underestimated exactly what McDaniel has for talent and chemistry... and first year Head Coach Kevin Curley has already made an impression with the team and this region.

McDaniel gets Swarthmore on Wednesday at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 26, 2007, 01:54:33 PM
d-mac -

Thanks for the blog from Hopkins.  Sounds like McDaniel could be a legit contender this year.  The CC has gotten off to a relatively good start in non-conference play, which is good to see.  Conference play begins Wednesday night.

F&M looked up and down against Juniata.  The Dips' huge lead nearly evaporated due to a stagnant offense—the same thing that apparently plagued them at Lebanon Valley.  But it does look like the players want to be there this year, unlike last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on November 29, 2007, 08:24:52 AM
Interesting win last night for the Dips.  At first I was happy to see them beat a team like Hopkins, but then I saw that JHU isn't exactly starting on fire themselves.  I saw the F&M defense was outstanding in the first half, but awful in the second.

Consistent offense. 

Is this team just streaky?  Obviously, I wouldn't expect any team to hold any other team to 12 points per half, but to give up 49 in the second half was awful. 

Still while a 3-2 start isn't great, it's better than last year, and it's a start. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 29, 2007, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: crambam on November 29, 2007, 08:24:52 AM
Interesting win last night for the Dips. 

crambam,

Interesting is a good word.  The Dips were nearly flawless in the first half, then displayed a lack of killer instinct late in the game.  The Hopkins press created turnovers and allowed the Blue Jays to chip away late.  It might be natural to get comfortable with a 30-point lead, but the Dips have allowed each of their last four opponents to come back in games they controlled. 

It could be the result of five freshmen in the rotation, or it could be that this team just won't be able to finish.  Time will tell.  However, Sullivan looks like he could develop into a really good point guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on December 01, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
Huge win for Ursinus today. I wasn't at the game but it seems like this game was a statement on the road at G'Burg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 04, 2007, 08:41:00 PM
Sometimes, it seems to me, that the true statement a team can make comes after the holiday games are out of the way and they bear down on conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on December 06, 2007, 09:27:28 AM
Few observations from the UC-F&M game last night

UC
Very good guard play - Most times it seems like they are running a 4 guard set, with Shattuck and Noonan playing a guard/forward position

Lacking upfront presence - No go to person in the post, limited production coming from true big men on the team. This team could struggle when matched against an experienced and talented post player as the season moves on

As with most UC teams of the past, they try to get out and run whenever possible. It is a testament to Coach Small and his rotation of players that his team rarely seems tired and generally outhustles the opposition down the floor.

F&M
Seems like they have a very talented freshman in number 10. he has a very nice jump shot and could develop into a very legit scoring threat as the season goes on

The team seems a little bit slow and unathletic in transition. They generate very few fast break opportunities (at least compared to UC). Their rebounding advantage seemed only due to slight size advantage. I don't know if this is the norm in Coach Robinson's system but the it seemed like they run the shot clock down on most possessions (basically it takes them a long time to get the play developed). This might have been part of the gameplan however
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: heartofachampion on December 07, 2007, 04:12:51 PM
Running the clock is Grob's way...Even when we had guys like Duran Searles the shot clock would drop to under 10 almost every time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on December 08, 2007, 04:36:54 PM
Nick Shattuck's performance in the 2nd half against Swarthmore was one for the highlight reel when reviewing the 2008 season (and I am sure there will be several more). Pre-printed ballots with Shattuck's name for Player of the Year will be distributed to all SIDs in case they have amnesia.  :D 

Question: has a player ever locked up POY this early in the season?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 09, 2007, 12:32:18 PM
Forget the player of the year for now, is it too early to concede the championship to Ursinus. If Ursinus wins it as it already appears that they will, Shattuck is a lock. What Ursinus did to Gettysburg at Gettysburg was impressive. Haven't seen McDaniel yet but it may come down to Ursinus or McDaniel for the top 2 seeds. Gettysburg will still contend and the last 2 playoff spots seem wide open with Haverford, Muhlenberg, F&M, Hopkins and Dickinson legitimate contenders. Washington appears to be a year or 2 away and Swarthmore is off to a slow start which will be complicated even more by the injury to Turner.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 18, 2007, 06:19:00 PM
In looking at the schedule at least two week until a game is close enough to see.

Look like heading to F & M for a tourny game. How does F & M Look so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 19, 2007, 09:30:43 PM
Rumor has it that Alveria pulled out of F&M's tourney.  Does anyone know why?
F&M still looks inconsistent.  A lot of players are still trying to learn each other's abilities.  There seems to be a lot of potential.  Many of the freshmen seem promising, but still have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Jon on December 20, 2007, 12:01:38 PM
Reserved Seat,

Not sure where that rumor comes from, but we at The Vern are still planning on playing at F&M.  We're not exactly rolling in there with crazy momentum, but we'll be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 22, 2007, 07:09:46 PM
Happy Holidays to all !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 31, 2007, 06:31:06 PM
 To all have a safe and Happy New Year !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 02, 2008, 09:56:36 PM
Dickinson 74  Caltech 47

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 02, 2008, 10:12:21 PM
Looks like it is going to be F & M  vs Alvernia at the F & M Tournament tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 03, 2008, 10:38:52 AM
According to the article below, the Dips played without their two top scorers, Hines and Scovill, who were suspended for violating team rules.

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/214553
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 03, 2008, 07:40:02 PM
Ursinus 69 -- Trinity(CT)  56
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 03, 2008, 08:47:54 PM
Looks like F & M is up 45 - 32 over Alvernia at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 03, 2008, 09:05:40 PM
Moravian 67  Muhlenburg 52 Bragging rights in ABE area for Moravian.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 03, 2008, 09:13:39 PM
McDaniel 68 - St Marys of MD 48 ( sits along the Chesapeake bay)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 03, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
F & M wins thier tourney over Alvernia--

F & M 84--- Alvernia- 62
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 04, 2008, 12:26:09 PM
Chalk one up for the Conference with Ursinus beating Trinity (Ct.).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 04, 2008, 01:01:23 PM

Pat -

I just noticed the new heading on the home page. I don't know how long it has been up. However, it is a nice change and I think it looks great. Kudos to the person who did the design work.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2008, 01:23:08 PM
Thanks. Just since Jan. 1, so you haven't missed it for long.

Now D3hoops joins the other D3sports.com sites a little more in terms of visual look.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 05, 2008, 12:30:36 AM
Since we have had some conference play let's see how good you can pick-em.

January 9  Conference record only next to teams.

Dickinson (1-2) @ Haverford (2-2)
F & M  (1-3) @ Swarthmore (0-4)
Washington (0-4) @ Gettysburg (3-1)
John Hopkins (2-2) @ Ursinus ( 4-0)
McDaniel (3-0) @ Muhlenberg (3-1)

Have fun with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 05, 2008, 12:32:34 AM
I will update and keep a record posted for all to see.

My Picks

Haverford
F & M
Gettysburg
Ursinus
McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 05, 2008, 12:36:04 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 04, 2008, 12:26:09 PM
Chalk one up for the Conference with Ursinus beating Trinity (Ct.).

I agree, that was just as big for the CC as it was for Ursinus.  The conference needed a win like that.  Can Ursinus ride that momentum to 20+ wins?

Another story to watch is F&M's lineup change.  With Hines and Scovill (top two scorers) suspended, the Dips rolled to a pair of convincing wins over Southern Va. and Alvernia.  Now that their suspensions are over, will Robinson reinsert them into the starting lineup?  Or will he attempt to keep the chemistry alive with a young lineup that plays well together, bringing Hines and Scovill off the bench?  I don't think you mess with success.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 05, 2008, 10:02:18 PM
Old ends. Your picks seem likely to do well.
Just to see if some pick-them interest can develop, I'll offer mine too.

Haverford
F&M
G-berg
Ursinus
Muhlenburg (An upset I wouldn't thought to be one at start of season)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 05, 2008, 10:49:29 PM
Well, Suetonius, I hope so.. I think the students may not yet be back on campus. Just want to get some action on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 06, 2008, 08:12:04 AM
Old ends. I stuck with the Mules because even with few students around Memorial Hall is a tough place to come in & shoot well. Plus Allentown is one of the toughest places places in the league to come in & get the calls needed to get out of town with a win. Collegeville is also just as difficult in the same way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2008, 11:56:17 AM
My 1/9/08 picks are:

Haverford
Swarthmore
Gettysburg
Ursinus
McDaniel

I picked Swarthmore in an upset over F&M because I would like to see more postings from the "old F&M fans who live in the past" explaining what went wrong from the players to the coaching, and everything else from A to Z.

I have always felt Swarthmore under achieves, and I can't figure out why. With Ian McCormick in the middle, I expect more from Swarthmore. It seems that they don't have the killer instinct, and tend to fold near the end of a game.

Finally, I am a Bears fan and I see the Bears achieving the same level of success in CC as the New England Patriots - "undefeated"

Old Ends, are you offering free tickets to the CC playoffs to the one who has the best record in predicting CC games ?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 06, 2008, 08:05:51 PM
Dickinson
F & M
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Muhlenberg

F&M is starting to jell.  Hopefully, they can build on their tournament success.  The competition was overwhelming, but it gave the young players a chance to build some confidence, especially without their two statisical leaders.  Chasen showed excellent leadership for the younger players.
It's hard to pick against McDaniel.  They seem to have a lot of experienc;, and despite the preseason prediction, they should give any team in the conference a challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 07, 2008, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: Leo on January 06, 2008, 11:56:17 AM
Old Ends, are you offering free tickets to the CC playoffs to the one who has the best record in predicting CC games ?


Let me think about that. thought long enought naaa :D

Maybe a gift card to a cheap fast food place.   ;D


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 07, 2008, 09:47:51 AM
I'll take a gift card from a fast food place as long as it is not in Lancaster, PA.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 07, 2008, 10:29:02 PM
So far Gettysburg and Ursinus have been picked by everyone the rest are up for grabs.

good luck to those who have thier picks in so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pantherdunker on January 08, 2008, 09:11:48 AM
For the well being of the young men on the F and M team, I wish them continued success. Obviously, there are issues when 2 kids quit the team this year and 2 are suspended. I hope the other kids rise above, come together, learn how to play without feeling like they are walking on eggshells and looking over their shoulders to see if they will get yanked. Good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 08, 2008, 08:03:53 PM
I will post Saturday's 1/12/08 pick-em games Tomorrow night and post results of the 1/9 pick-em on Thursday. Still room for more to get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 09, 2008, 02:26:44 PM
My picks:

Haverford
F&M
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg

Really tempted to pick Swat, but F&M is coming off a couple of decisive wins.  I'm going with Seutonius on the Mules over the Terror.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 09, 2008, 06:56:57 PM
Well the games are underway and I will post the results tomorrow, but lets start to look at Saturday's games.

1/12/2008 pick-em

Muhlenberg     @    Gettysburg
Haverford        @    John Hopkins
Ursinus   @      McDaniel
Washington     @    F & M
Swarthmore     @    Dickinson

You may have missed last week but there is still time to get in on the Pick-em's.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 09, 2008, 07:38:24 PM
Here is an update( upset).

Dickinson 51--- Haverford 50

Dickinson -- Leszcynski 21 points--Kenny 14 rebounds
Haverford-- Fratangelo 15 points

Big thing I saw on the stats--- Free Throws-- Dickinson 8 for 8  Haverford 5 of 10. Make 2 more and you win the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 10, 2008, 12:42:55 PM
My Saturday picks are:

Gettysburg (The Mules will discover thet aren't in Kansas, well Allentown anymore)
JHU: in a tough one at home
McDaniel: Green Terrors better rebound for me in my shakiest pick
F & M: Young Dips like McNally, Baker, Ryner, Sullivan et al may be coming of age in time
SWAT: upset just because the CC is very balanced & improved & there should be upsets regularly



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2008, 05:17:01 PM
Saturday's picks

Gettysburg
John Hopkins
McDaniel
F & M
Dickinson

Should be a good day for the home teams.
Swarthmore could upset Dickinson.  They got too emotional against F&M, possibly costing them the game.  Their whining about calls caused one technical and could have caused some more.
McDaniel could pull off the upset at home.  They have the experience that could beat Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 10, 2008, 06:01:32 PM
Results for 1/9/08 Pick-ems

Reserved Seat------------ 5 - 0        Perfect, good job
Suetonius------------------ 4 - 1
R.W. McNickels------------ 4 - 1
Old Ends-------------------- 3 - 2
Leo---------------------------2 - 3

The Dickinson/Haverford, only Reserved Seat used his knowledge(I hope) to see that one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 10, 2008, 06:13:17 PM
Pick-em's for 1/12
Muhlenberg - the battle of the berg's(burg's)
John Hopkins- home team advantage
Ursinus- I think they go clean in the conference
F & M - always tough at home
Dickinson- only because they are at home and coming of the type of victory that could give them an edge

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 11, 2008, 02:46:29 PM
Picks for 1/12:

Gettysburg
Hopkins
Ursinus
F&M
Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 02:57:11 PM
Around the Nation this week of particular interest to readers of this message board:
http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2008, 04:27:22 PM
Well, since you are promoting... for anyone who missed Hoopsville last Sunday:
www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/coachscorner.html is worth a check as well :)!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 12, 2008, 10:19:05 AM
1/12 picks:

Johns Hopkins
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Dickinson
F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 12, 2008, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 11, 2008, 04:27:22 PM
Well, since you are promoting... for anyone who missed Hoopsville last Sunday:
www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/coachscorner.html is worth a check as well :)!
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 02:57:11 PM
Around the Nation this week of particular interest to readers of this message board:
http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/

Both were interesting.  A few quotes surprised me - not sure I've ever heard Robinson admit he needs to be more patient.  For his own health (given the last two seasons), that might be a good thing.

He also estimates that seven teams could win the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 12, 2008, 05:51:24 PM
Results for 1/12 Pick-em's

r.w. McNickels ----------------- 5 -  0 Perfect Good Job
Reserved Seat ---------------- 4 -  1
Leo --------------------------- 4 -  1
Old Ends ------------------------ 4 - 1
suetonius ----------------------- 4 - 1

Overall
Reserved Seat  9 - 1
r.w. McNickels   9 - 1
suetonius         7 - 3
Old Ends          7 - 3
Leo                 6 - 4
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 12, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
Pick-Em's for 1/16/08

Gettysburg  @ Swarthmore
Muhlenberg @ John Hopkins
Haverford    @  F & M
McDaniel      @ Washington
Dickinson     @ Ursinus

Good Luck to all this week..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 13, 2008, 08:04:22 PM
Check out the stats from 1/10 for your favorite team

click here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2008, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: old ends on January 12, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
Pick-Em's for 1/16/08

Gettysburg  @ Swarthmore
Muhlenberg @ John Hopkins
Haverford    @  F & M
McDaniel      @ Washington
Dickinson     @ Ursinus

Good Luck to all this week..

My Picks for Weds 1/16

Gettysberg
John Hopkins
F & M
McDaniel
Ursinus

Good Luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2008, 08:51:13 PM
Picks for 1/16

Gettysburg
John Hopkins
F & M
McDaniel
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 14, 2008, 09:20:51 PM
My 1/16 picks are:

G-burg SWAT upset not out of the question
JHU Evenly matched but Mules need home cooking
Haverford Hunch young Dips may not be ready for Chaz & Co.
Washington College Sho'man may shock the CC world, am impressed with their last 2 road efforts
Ursinus Solid shellacking likely to be handed to Devils


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 15, 2008, 06:58:03 AM
Home court rules for 1/16:

Swarthmore
Hopkins
F&M
Washington
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 15, 2008, 09:00:56 AM
1/13/08 top 25 poll from D3HOOPS.COM gives recognition to Ursinus with 9 votes in the "Others Receiving Votes." I don't think they would crack the top 25 unless they go undefeated the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 15, 2008, 05:14:27 PM
I will post the 19th's games tomorrow and the results of tomorrows games on Thursday.


Leo, I have to agree with you. Ursinus's win over Trinity did help a little, but the conference is not strong enough yet for them to get to be ranked higher.

Suetonics, great remarks after picks as usual.

good luck to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 16, 2008, 03:37:36 PM
1/16 picks:

Ursinus
Gettysburg
F&M
McDaniel
Muhlenberg

Not sure about picking three road wins.  Gettysburg is playing well with two impact players (Capkin and Dorsey) in addition to Spierenburg and Powers up front.  McDaniel is back on track after yesterday's blowout of Dickinson. 

The Mules have lost three straight on the road to very good teams (Randolph-Macon, Moravian, Gettysburg) and could be poised for a win in Baltimore.

old ends - thanks for organizing this and getting some chatter going.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 16, 2008, 08:11:42 PM
Games for Saturday 1/19/08 pick-em's

McDaniel      @    Haverford
Gettysburg  @    Ursinus
Muhlenberg  @   F & M
John Hopkins @  Swarthmore
Washington  @  Dickinson

Thanks r.w. I have enjoyed the banter and doing this also.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 17, 2008, 10:45:51 AM
My picks for 1/19 are:

Ursinus
Hopkins
Haverford
F&M
Dickinson

Special Note: Gettysburg and Ursinus should be a great game. Gettysburg will certainly have revenge from their embarrassing loss at home to the Bears. The keys to the game will be rebounding (Bears got to do a better job on the boards) and turnovers (Bears got to take care of the ball and be under 13 turnovers). Hopefully, the Bears tenacious defense and pressure on the player with the ball will lead to several fast breaks and easy baskets. If Gettysburg wins, then I would like to get 1/2 point for calling the upset  :D All teams go through a stretch where they are playing so so, and ripe for the taking of a win. However, I believe the Bears will be "up to the challenge", play to their abilities and come out of their doldrums to win the game. Go Bears Go   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 17, 2008, 11:20:37 AM
1/19 picks

Haverford: Chaz due for big game in must win situation
Ursinus: Bears should withstand challenge at home
F&M: tough game expected, young Dips could throw dud in at any time
SWAT: Jays have had issues in Garnet Dome in past
Dickinson: Playing much better than I thought they would, Kline Center should make the difference Saturday

I am not a believer in F&M yet this year, am afraid they will falter on the next road trips. However Baker (impressive freshman, maybe the best player on the team), McNally is polished and good and Ryner looks like a potential CC 1st team player within 2 years. Dips are doing this without they expected contribution level of Scovill who has obvious talent. If all these players come back & stay healthy I suggest that Dips may find themselves near the top of the CC by next year. Any thoughts?



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2008, 06:20:21 PM
Picks for Saturday

Haverford-played tough against F&M, but Chaz couldn't get the ball during the second half and had to
                force his scores when he had the ball
Ursinus-only because they're at home
F & M-close game the first time at Muhlenberg, but F&M has a new look--youthful errors still possibly
John Hopkins
Dickinson-hardest one to pick, haven't seen Dickinson play

F&M has a lot of raw talent, but they're still learning to play together.  Baker looks like the real thing.  He has a nice touch from the key and a soft hook around the basket.  McNally has the potential to be another strong underneath presence.  Brooks has the athleticism to make spectatular plays, but needs to learn to play within himself.  Rhyner has been phenomenal since his entry into the starting line-up.  He made a lot of key shots against Haverford.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2008, 07:19:52 PM
Results for 1/16/08 Pick-em's

Leo----------------4 - 1
suetonius----------4 - 1
Reserved Seat-----4 - 1
r.w. mcnickels-----3 - 2
old ends-----------4 -  1

Overall

Reserved Seat-------13 - 2
r.w. mcnickels--------12 - 3
suetonius-------------11 - 4
Old ends--------------11 - 4
Leo ------------------10 - 5

Ursinus was the only unanimous pick for 1/16/08. We all had our tough game this week. It is still a tight race overall.

Good Luck for 1/19/08
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
Picks for 1/19

Haverford-- home team adv.
Muhlenberg-- I think they have F & M's number
Swarthmore--Hopkins may be tired after 3 o/t victory against Muhlenberg
Dickinson--Kline Center- Devils Den, what ever, tough at home for this one.
Ursinus- I think they are that good - period.

I always like to study the stats because they do show trends.

Leo look at this-- I think your right about the game at Collegeville.

Scoring offense  Ave/Game

Ursinus--- 74.9
Gettysberg-74.6
F & M ---- 74.5

Also
Scoring Defense
Haverford --- 57.5 Ave/game

Free Throws %

Gettysberg --- 74%
John Hopkins--72%

That  is the one thing that players tend to over look. It is a free shot at the basket. No one in front of your face no pressure. Just bend your knee's and pull the shade down. Coach's grind thier teeth with every missed free throw

View the rest of the stats here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 17, 2008, 08:56:52 PM
Gentlemen -

Over the years, the F&M-Muhlenburg series has been very much in the home team's favor - Dips rarely win in Allentown and Mules have a hard time in Lancaster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 17, 2008, 08:58:29 PM
Old Ends -

I have been out of town (and away from D3hoops for a couple of weeks. Any chance I can get in the pick-em in midstream? Please advise. Thanks.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 17, 2008, 09:14:42 PM
Old Ends, I too look at the stat sheets and it doesn't look good at this time for the Bears when it comes to taking care of the boards. Now on the other hand, the Bears play great defense and shoot the ball well (FGs, FTs and even 3P-FGs).

The last 3 games, the Bears were outrebounded overall, and had a tough time defending their own boards. All 3 games were close.

vs. Dickinson  41-27 outrebounded, 18-9 offensive boards in favor of Dickenson
vs. Mcdaniel  36-28 Bears won the boards, but McDaniel was 15-6 on offensive boards in their favor
vs. Hopkins  50-36 outrebounded, 16-3 offensive boards in favor of Hopkins
vs. Trinity (Ct) - they held their own

When Bears spanked Gettysburg on their home court, they won the boards 40-27 and had a 7-5 ad for offensive boards.

The graduation of Furey and Fabian has hurt them greatly, but the sophs and juniors have really stepped up to the plate and played very consistently. And as usual, Coach Small's teams play excellent defense.

Home court is nice to have now, and Shema needs to have a good game and stay out of foul trouble.

I think this game will be a warm-up for both teams as they play each other again for the CC championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 18, 2008, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on January 17, 2008, 08:58:29 PM
Old Ends -

I have been out of town (and away from D3hoops for a couple of weeks. Any chance I can get in the pick-em in midstream? Please advise. Thanks.

Eric


Of course you can. The more the better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 18, 2008, 12:55:11 PM
Old Ends, et. al -

Thanks. Here goes nothing - my first attempt at the pick-ems (for 1/19):

McDaniel @ Haverford   -   Haverford. The Fords are usually much better at home and due for a big win.

Gettysburg @ Ursinus   -   Gettysburg. A real toss-up here but stats suggest a Bullet win on the road.

Muhlenberg @ Franklin And Marshall - F&M. See comments of previous post. Besides, Dips are a different more experienced team than in first meeting. I am going to try to get to Mayser Center for tis one.

Johns Hopkins @ Swarthmore - JHU. Blue Jays are getting better as season goes along. Just expected the Garnet to be better this season than their current record.

Washington @ Dickinson - Dickinson. Red Devils should outrebound (and outscore) the Shoremen. Devils always tough to play in Kline Center.

Any thoughts? Regards to all. Good luck.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 18, 2008, 07:49:43 PM
Love the comments from everyone, keep them coming. Also let people know about the pick-em's. I am glad we have a good response so far.

Bonus pick-em ( $1 monopoly money gift card. Which can be used just about no where)

Monday 1/21/08

Philadelphia Biblical   @   Swarthmore

other games of interest this weekend.

NYG     @    GBP
SDC    @   NEP

As the  prize indicates. Just have fun with the above pick-em's.

have fun and good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 18, 2008, 08:05:48 PM
Here is somthing impressive about the Conference overall:

NCAA  Scoring defense across the nation Centennial have 5 teams in the top 75
Haverford------- 7th
Dickinson------- 45th
Muhlenburg------ 50th
McDaniel --------51st
John Hopkins---- 67th

Check the rest out here: http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 19, 2008, 10:24:27 AM
1/19 picks:

Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins
Haverford
F&M
Dickinson

Gettysburg returns the favor in Collegeville behind a big game Dorsey.

Swat might pick up CC win #1 today, but McCormick needs more help than he got in Baltimore last month.  JHU in a close one.

Haverford returns almost everyone from last year's squad that played for the CC title - it's time for the Fords to start playing like it.

F&M and Dickinson at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 20, 2008, 11:53:54 AM
Results for 1/19/08 Pick-em

Leo ---------------4 - 1
Reserved Seat-----4 - 1
Suetonius---------3 - 2
r.w.mcnickels------3 - 2
Dipomaniac1------3 - 2
Old ends --------2 - 3

Overall

Reserved Seat -------- 17 - 3
r.w.mcnickels-----------15 - 5
Suetonius--------------14 - 6
Leo -------------------14 - 6
Old Ends---------------13 - 7
Diplomaniac1 -----------3 - 2

Haverford was a unanimous pick for all of us, which cost each of us a loss.  It is still a tight race overall which is good to see. 

Good luck next week and do not forget the bonus pickem above.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 20, 2008, 12:05:21 PM
1/23/08 Pick-em's

McDaniel      @    John Hopkins
Ursinus        @    Haverford
Washington @   Swarthmore
F & M            @  Gettysburg
Dickinson      @  Muhlenberg

Again, will post results 1/24 and 1/26 games on 1/23.

Thanks, are ya having fun yet??

Look back for bonus pick of the week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 20, 2008, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: old ends on January 18, 2008, 07:49:43 PM
Bonus pick-em ( $1 monopoly money gift card. Which can be used just about no where)

Monday 1/21/08

Philadelphia Biblical   @   Swarthmore

other games of interest this weekend.

NYG     @    GBP
SDC    @   NEP

As the  prize indicates. Just have fun with the above pick-em's.

have fun and good luck.

Swarthmore Got to go with the Conference team
GBP
NEP

worth a shot
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 20, 2008, 05:33:04 PM
Old Ends -

Here's my 1/21 pick em - Swarthmore.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 20, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
Does the bonus pick count in the conference picks?
Since I know nothing about Philadelphia Bible, I pick Swarthmore.  They deserve a win, and they represent the conference.
I see my luck is still holding.  With a different outcome in the two overtime games, my picks wouldn't look as good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 20, 2008, 10:00:55 PM
1/21 pick

SWAT over PBC: on the comparative scores Garnet should win easily, don't trust them totally, but they may squeek it out (? OT)

1/23 picks

JHU in a close one
Ursinus floods the Fords
WC stifles SWAT
G-burg young Dips ? without Scovill can't dodge Bullets
Muhlenburg as Mules buck Devils & welcome a return home

I caught the second half of Dip-Mule contest, F&M fortunate to win, but I would have to now say perhaps McNally is the best player on the Dip team. His play was clutch & impressive. I havn't seen play approaching that from an F&M front court frosh since Terry Scott (any old-timers remember him?). Could McNally be another Dip All-American? But I don't recall Scott taking over a game on both ends like this until his Soph year in the way I saw Saturday.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 21, 2008, 11:06:59 AM
1/21 pick:
Swarthmore

Suetonius, I agree with you on McNally.  Once he started backing guys down, he took over the game.  Back in November a Williams poster came on and mentioned McNally as a great recruit - I think they went to the same high school.  Anyway, I was really skeptical because he didn't look great in the first few games.  I don't know if we've seen enough of him yet to start comparing him to Terry Scott, but he looks like a nice pickup for the Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplofan on January 21, 2008, 12:04:00 PM
Saturday's three point win over Muhlenberg marked the first time that F&M had won a game decided by five points or less since February 8, 2006. The Dips were 0-9 in such games in 2006-07 and had been 0-3 in them this year prior to Saturday. It looks like this young squad may be finding ways to win, rather than lose, close games. We'll soon see with stiffer conference competition looming.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 02:13:46 PM
Certainly a good sign for F&M.

Welcome aboard, by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 21, 2008, 02:55:43 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 20, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
Does the bonus pick count in the conference picks?
Na-- just for fun. If it were two conference teams maybe then, but Phila Bible is a down the road type of game.
Did it just to keep activity going on the board.

Diplofan-- good post, join the pick-em's, never to late. Suetonius nice observation.
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 20, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
I see my luck is still holding.  With a different outcome in the two overtime games, my picks wouldn't look as good.
And mine the other way, if I could borrow your luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 21, 2008, 03:21:31 PM
Here is a nice article about the F & M - Muhlenberg game in the Lancaster Sunday Paper.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/215405

And a recap of Dickinson- Washington's o/t game:
http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2008/01/20/sports/sports651.txt

Also the Stats including this weekends games are below:
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

Ursinus still leadnig in scoring offense pulling ahead more so thenn last weeks stats.

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 21, 2008, 03:24:21 PM
John Hopkins--McDaniel has seemed to lost their early season success-other teams taking them
                     seriously
Ursinus--too much for Haverford to handle
Swarthmore--one for the home team
F & M--time to see if they have jelled enough to take on the upper teams
Muhlenberg--due for a win after two tough losses
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 22, 2008, 05:42:49 PM
Sometimes, it seems, that you look at the stats and go with the logical. Some I forgetting about this past weekend and trying a different systems.

1/23/08 picks

Hopkins
Ursinus-- still think they can sweep the Conference
Swarthmore- they need one in the conference
F & M -- Young guns have nothing but experience to gain
Muhlenberg- Just time I guess

Will post results 1/24.
Will post 1/26 games tomorrow night

thanks and good luck
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 22, 2008, 05:50:45 PM
All those who picked Swarthmore for th 1/21 pick-em fun game, Got it right
Swarthmore 82-- Phila Bible 41

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 22, 2008, 08:46:38 PM
1/23 picks:

Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
Ursinus (will spank Haverford to avenge last year's semi-finals defeat)
Hopkins
Swarthmore (they are a roll now)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 23, 2008, 12:32:51 AM
1/23 picks:

Muhlenberg - Mules should enjoy returning to the confines of Memorial Hall
Gettysburg - By about seven over F&M.  Young Dips just aren't ready for prime time, and they might still be without Scovill.
Ursinus - Bears in a razor close finish at Haverford.
Johns Hopkins - Jays continue to find ways to win tight games.
Swarthmore - Big game expected from McCormick.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 23, 2008, 11:08:47 AM

Gentlemen -

1/23 Picks:

McDaniel @ Hopkins:   Hopkins. Should be a tough close game. Game is hard to call. Arrington out for McDaniel and Hopkins is improving thoughout the season. Jays always tough at home. Slight edge to Coach Nelson and the Jays.

Ursinus @ Haverford:   Ursinus. I can't help but wonder if the Fords will ever live up to their pre-season potential this year. I think they are a very good team but their record doesn't show that. I keep expecting more from them.

Washington @ Swarthmore:   Swarthmore. The Garnet are due for a big win and they are much better than their record indicaates.

F&M @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg. I really wanted to go with my heart here, but the Bullets are the the more logical choice of my brain. I don't know what Scovill's status is. They willl really miss is offense if he cant go. Although the young Dips are steadily improving, they haven't demonstrated an ability to win on the road yet. Bream is always a tough place for the Dips to play.

Good luck and regards to all!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 23, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on January 23, 2008, 11:08:47 AM
I can't help but wonder if the Fords will ever live up to their pre-season potential this year. I think they are a very good team but their record doesn't show that. I keep expecting more from them.

Eric-

Couldn't agree more.  I thought the Fords would win 17 or 18 games this year.  They still might surprise some people, maybe even tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 23, 2008, 07:12:54 PM

1/23 Pick -

forgot to include the Dickinson@ Muhlenberg game - Dickinson.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 23, 2008, 07:39:14 PM
1/26/08 Pick-em's

F & M                   @    McDaniel
Haverford              @   Gettysburg
Washington           @    Muhlenberg
Dickinson              @    John Hopkins
Swarthmore          @     Ursinus

Good Luck...

for 1/23

Look Like Hopkins and Ursinus were the only teams picked by everyone-- so therefore we could have me slip even down more in the rankings.

have fun
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 24, 2008, 10:13:15 AM
1/26 picks

Hopkins
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Ursinus

This weekend set of games appears the easiest to pick except for F&M vs McDaniels. Could go either way, but home court tends to rule.

We are half way thru the season, and I was wondering if there have been any surprises - good or bad. As for me, I am surprised about Haverford and Swarthmore. I expected their record to be better. McCormack at Swarthmore does not have enough weapons around him. But last night's win should be positive for the rest of the schedule because McCormack fouled out and Swartmore didn't have him for the 2OT and most of the 1st OT. This may give confidence to the rest of the team. As for Haverford, I expected Chaz to do more and compete for POY with Shattuck. As for Gettysburg, Dorsey is struggling and I expected the team to compete better even though they got spanked by the Bears twice. So let's see what the 2nd half of the season brings  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 24, 2008, 10:53:41 AM
Picks for 1/26:

McDaniel: F&M may contend but after dropping battle to Gburg am not sure the are ready for Antietam

G-burg: Fords appearance at Bream could work out as well as Pickett's

M-berg: Mules stubborn on home tiles

Dickinson: Upset over JHU as a guess

Ursinus: Give SWAT less chance than a tired salmon vs a hungry Kodiak







Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2008, 02:42:28 PM
Suetonics--can you say P.U.N.

Great stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2008, 02:50:43 PM
Results for 1/23/08 pick-em's

Leo-                      4 - 1
r.w.mcnickels          4 - 1
Suetonius               3 - 2
Reserved Seat   -     3 - 2
Diplomaniac1           3 - 2
Old ends                 3 - 2

Overall

Reserved Seat   --     20 - 5
r.w. mcnickels          19 - 6
Leo                        18 - 7
Suetonius                17 - 8
Old Ends                  16 - 9
Diplomanic1              6 - 4

Well the Hopkins game got each and everyone of us..So much for a sure thing..

Very tight race overall and that makes the pickings harder and harder every time. Except for myself who again must make a change.. Maybe back to the Stats..or a coin.

keep having fun with this..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 24, 2008, 09:32:20 PM
F & M--I continue to live/die picking F&M(42 years of following them causes blindness to others)
Gettysburg--hard to get a shot off inside
Muhlenberg--home court advantage
John Hopkins--can't say it's home court advantage because everytime I've been there they have few
                       fans
Ursinus--too much for Swarthmore to handle

Gettysburg took advantage of F&M inexperience.  Fast breaks and backdoor plays killed F&M.  Spierenburg's presence under the basketball stopped F&M from getting the ball inside.
The fouls were unfortunately disportionate(19-9).  F&M never got to the bonus.
Rhyner's 3-point shots keep the game close, and Selig played a terrific game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 25, 2008, 10:30:45 AM
My grading of the teams performance for the 1st half of the CC season:

Dickenson    -  C
F&M    -  B
Gettysburg   -  C
Haverford   -  D
JH   -  B/B+
McDaniel   -  B
Muhlenberg   -  C
Swarthmore   -  D
Ursinus   -  A
Washington   - D

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 25, 2008, 11:48:12 AM
I think Gettysburg should be in the B+ range.  The Bullets are 12-3.  They've only lost to Ursinus (14-2) and Cal Lutheran (13-2).  The Ursinus losses were really bad ones, but I don't think you can give them a "C" based on that.

On another note, will Ursinus lose in conference play?  I expected them to maybe go 14-4 in the CC, but not run the table like this.  Hilton and Noonan have been huge, and Shattuck is probably the best player in the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 25, 2008, 12:05:49 PM
Perhaps I am too harsh on Gettysburg, but I expected more from them in terms of dominating their games. Now all that could change if Dorsey improves his game. Alright McNickels, let me put in a grade change to a B, but not a B+.

No doubt Noonan and Hilton have been huge players in the Bears success for now. The team"s pressure defense on the ball is better this year, and their ball movement on offense to get an open shot has been the biggest improvement. Shema is playing well too.  I am rooting for the Bears to go undefeated in the Conference, but I do think there may be 1 loss somewhere down the road.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 25, 2008, 05:13:44 PM
Picks  for 1/26/08

McDaniel
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
John Hopkins
Ursinus

Going with the homers on all the picks..gotta try something.
I have not yet been able to get to a game only because I am in FL right now. Us old people need to keep our bones warm. I have been reading your post on insite and papers for the presses view. The stats show how good a team and or player is doing, but it is not seeing it live. I will catch a few games when I get back and hope to attend the playoffs.

have fun
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 25, 2008, 06:08:50 PM

Old Ends -

I might suggest a different presentation of the pick-em standings that makes it easier to compare the records of late entrants (like myself) with the records of you folks that have been making picks since early this year. It is as follows:

Reserved Seat      -      20-5 (.800)
R. W. McNickels     -      19-6 (.760)
Leo                       -      18-7 (.720)
Suetonius             -      17-8 (.680)
Old Ends               -      16-9 (.640)
Diplomaniac1        -        3-2 (.600)

Just food for thought.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 25, 2008, 06:31:55 PM
diplomaniac1:

good idea an therefore it will be done. thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 25, 2008, 08:13:34 PM

Old Ends -

Thanks for accepting my suggestion on reporting the pick-em standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 25, 2008, 08:33:16 PM

Leo, Sutonius, Rserved Seat, and Old Ends -

Here are my picks for 1/26:

Dickinson @ Hopkins   -   Hopkins. I think this is a close game that is hard to call, However, I don't expect the Jays to dive-bomb twice in a row at home!

F&M @ McDaniel   -   F&M. Another tough one to pick. Although the Gill Center is a tough place to win, Dips are due to win on the road and played a very tough close game against the Bullets at Bream. It can only help to improve their confidence for the rest of the season. Might be a mild upset. Besides, I am picking with my heart on this one since I have been following GRob and the Dips since 1977!

Haverford @ Gettysburg   -   Will the Fords ever get it together? If the Fords were playing better, I might have taken them against the Bullets after Wednesday night's tough contest against the Dips. However, the advantage goes to the Bullets in Bream - they won't be shooting blanks!

Washington @ Muhlenberg   -   Mules kick the Shoreman at home! The old arena is always tough on visitors to Allentown.

Swarthmore @ Ursinus   -   The Garnet will be mauled by the Golden Bears! Although Swat is much better than their record, I don't see how this one will even be close.

I am going to try to catch the Dips game in Westminster - only about a three hour and twenty minute drive for me! Have we heard anything yet from R. W. McNickles? Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 25, 2008, 08:44:36 PM


Leo, Suetonius, Reserved Seat, Old Ends, and R. W. -

In my humble opinion, here is how I would grade the Centennial teams so far this season:

Ursinus            -      A
Gettysburg      -      B+/A-
McDaniel          -      B+
F&M                 -      B/B+
Hopkins           -      B-
Muhlenberg     -      C/C+
Dickinson         -     C
Washington     -      D+
Swarthmore     -      D
Haverford        -      D/D-

Any thoughts? Comments and feedback welcome. Regards to all.

Eric




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 25, 2008, 10:54:01 PM
1/26 picks:

Johns Hopkins
McDaniel
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Ursinus

Eric, I wasn't sure about F&M-McDaniel either.  I just don't see the Dips winning at Gill.  I think they'll eventually win a big one on the road, but who knows.  Let us know what you think if you make it to Westminster.

I could see F&M sweeping the rest at Mayser and not winning a single road contest from here out.  There are no gimmies, even at Chestertown.

I'm picking Haverford in Bream because I think it's time for Chaz to go off.  Might as well spice things up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 26, 2008, 12:38:02 PM
Good stuff thanks.

Seems Muhlenberg and Ursinus are the teams that all of us picked... I thought I read that McDaniel lost a player for the rest of the year because of an injury will try to find that artical.

Enjoy the games today.. wish we had someone from each team posting here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 26, 2008, 12:55:16 PM
The link below will show players of the week and honor roll for that week plus
other nice stuff to look at.
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2008/CC_MBK_121.pdf

Stats are also posted for games thru the 24th. Ursinus still leads on scoring offense and Haverford on scoring defense.

Haverford is at the bottom on scoring offense which could be part of thier problem this year. Here is the link
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2008/CC_MBK_121.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 26, 2008, 06:52:09 PM
Results of 1/26/08 pick-em's

Leo ------------ 5 - 0
Old Ends --------5 - 0
suetonius -------4 - 1
dipomaniac1---   4 - 1
Reserved Seat-  4 - 1
r.w.mcnickels----4 - 1

Leo and I went with the homers and got a perfect score. Makes my day, after falling on my face last week.

Overall

Reserved Seat --------- 24 - 6  ( .800)
Leo-------------------- 23 - 7 ( .767)
r.w.mcnickels------------23 - 7 ( .767)
suetonius--------------- 21 - 9 ( .700)
old ends-----------------21 - 9 ( .700)
diplomaniac1------------10 - 5 ( .667)

It has really got tight after this week. 8 games to go and I could still drop to the bottom.

I am enjoying this I hope all of you are.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 26, 2008, 06:58:52 PM
Pick-em's for 1/30/08

F & M           @  Dickinson
Gettysburg   @  McDaniel
Swarthmore  @ Haverford
John Hopkins @ Washington
Muhlenberg   @ Ursinus

Good luck !!

Saturday's results are on page 41
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2008, 07:04:19 PM
Great day for the home teams.
F&M almost pulled it out.  Fouls again hurt.(26 to 18)  Turnovers, also, seem to be a problem.
Swarthmore gave Ursinus a run for their money.
I don't understand how Ursinus can rout Gettysburg twice and have tough games with most of the rest in the conference.  Margin of victories against Gettysburg--25/30.  Margin of victories against the rest--9/9/5/7/3/30/3/21.
Already studying my picks for Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 26, 2008, 11:02:53 PM
1/30 picks

F&M: This is Dips most likely upset road steal, OT filibuster loss wouldn't stun me
McDaniel: Coin flip in back yard skirmish
SWAT: Home court means little in this rivalry
Washington College: Sho'man may reel in home win
Ursinus: Bears roll at home, margin could be 2 or 50
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 29, 2008, 05:27:34 PM
Picks for 1/30/08

Dickinson-- Just feel the home, students are all back, could go the other way also.
McDaniel-- They played F&M and Hopkins tough at home
Haverford-- Coin toss
Hopkins-- No coin needed
Ursinus-- Not this week at home..

Good luck to all!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2008, 06:12:59 PM
My Picks

F & M-due to win after 2 close games
Gettysburg--strong inside presence
Haverford--who knows
John Hopkins--too much for Washington
Ursinus--home
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 29, 2008, 07:47:38 PM
I always enjoy this site for Centennial Conference stats and game recaps..Click on the link find your favorite player or school and make notes for Saturdays pickem.

http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2008/CC_MBK_128.pdf

As has been the norm. Will post Saturday's 2/2/08( Groundhog Day) tomorrow and the the results for Wednesday's game on Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 29, 2008, 08:23:21 PM
1/30 picks:

Dickinson
Gettysburg
Haverford
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus

This could be the most challenging group of picks so far.  I don't trust F&M outside the Dip Dome.  Gettysburg has the bullets to win in Westminster.  Haverford is a guess.  Hopkins usually plays well in Chestertown.  Muhlenberg has the defense to hang with Ursinus, but the Bears should win by a small margin.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on January 30, 2008, 06:48:59 AM
Picks for 1/30:

F&M (to help my fellow colleagues)
McDaniel (will be hungrier than Gettys and they are at home)
Haverford ( I flipped the coin 10 times and came up Haverford 6 times)
Hopkins
Ursinus


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 30, 2008, 10:06:33 AM

Folks -

Here are my selections for the 1/30 Pick-ems:

F&M @ Dickinson     -     F&M. I agree that Dips are due for road win and will dunk the Red Devils. The McDaniel game was there for the taking by the Dips, but they just couldn't get the job done. Should be a close game. I think there is a slight edge for the Dips due to their inside game.

Gettysburg @ McDaniel     -     McDaniel. Another tough game to pick - should be a close one. Perhaps I should have tossed a coin in choosing! Slight edge to the Green Terror at home. Based on what I saw on Saturday, they might be too physical for the Bullets.

Swarthmore @ Haverford     -    Haverford. Another coin flip. I look for a big game from Chazz and company at home. Thus, the Fords will turn the Garnet blue!

Hopkins @ Washington     -     Hopkins. This could be one of the easier games to pick although the "band box" at Chestertown is always a very tough place to play. Blue Jays will fly high as the Shoremen wash up face down!

Muhlenburg @ Ursinus     -     Ursinus. Bear maul mules. Enough said.

Well, there goes nothing - read 'em and weep! By far, this is the most difficult set of games to choose. It also appears that there are more differences in selections amongst the six of us. I wonder what it will do to the standings?!?

Regards to all. Good Luck.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 30, 2008, 05:00:58 PM
Here is the breakdown for tonight:
                 for        against

F &M         4           2
McDaniel   4           2
Haverford  5           1
Hopkins     5           1
Ursinus      6           0

As Eric stated, it could shake things up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 30, 2008, 05:04:41 PM
Pick-em's for Saturday 02/02/08 ( Groundhogs Day)

Ursinus       @      John Hopkins
Muhlenberg @      McDaniel
Gettysburg   @    Washington
Haverford    @     Dickinson
Swarthmore @     F & M

Good Luck Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2008, 05:35:16 PM
Results 1/30/08 Pick-em's

r.w.mcnickels        5 - 0
Reserved Seat      4 - 1
Old ends              4 - 1
Diplomanic1          3 - 2
Leo                     3 - 2
suetonius             1 - 4

Over all
r.w.mcnickels       28 - 7  (.800)
Reserved Seat     28 - 7 (.800)
Leo                    26 - 9  (.743)
Old Ends             25 - 10 (.714)
Diplomanic1         13 - 7  (.650)
Suetonius            22 - 13 (.629)

A perfect 5-0 for r.w.mcnickels.  The rest of us.. a point here a point there..uh. Old saying from brooklyn.
" My luck only good when it is bad"

7 days of games to go

Sorry about that Reserved... it has been corrected..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2008, 06:17:58 PM
How did my picks go from 24-6 to 25-10?
I must have been penalized for constantly picking F&M. 

As Old Ends said--The rest of us.. a point here a point there..uh. Old saying from brooklyn.
" My luck only good when it is bad"
SIX key points by F&M, and I'd be sitting pretty.(2 against Gettysburg, 1 against McDaniel, and 3 against Dickinson)

My picks for Saturday

Ursinus--no one has solved them yet
Muhlenberg--coin toss
Gettysburg--too much height
Dickinson--enthusiastic crowd at home-seemed like a play-off game on Wednesday
F & M--who else-they're at home--they've now had 3 nail-biters in a row
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2008, 07:56:22 PM
Ok see if all of you agree with the following:
Ursinus has a 2 game lead over Gettysburg--Looks like they make the playoff
Gettysburg has a 3 game lead over McDaniel--they too make the playoff
McDaniel--Hopkins both at 7-4, McDaniel Finished away at Gettysburg,but has Hopkins home the week before
                     Hopkins Finishes at home with Washington and of course has McDaniel away the week before. Each meet Ursinus and Gettysburg so I think, unless they fall apart they make it also..

Now the 5th seed could go to Muhlenburg (6-5), F & M (5-6) or Dickinson(5-6). The Muhls  may have to win out, but if they lose, it could come down to the last game of the year between Dickinson and F & M in Lancaster.

What do you think??

See any upsets that could, as they say, rock the boat.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2008, 08:07:15 PM
Picks for 2/2/08-- ( Groundhog Day)

Hopkins-- Upset pick of the year----I hope I hope I Hope
McDaniel--They need the win, but so does thier opponent
Gettysburg-
Dickinson
F & M

Good Luck
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 01, 2008, 09:37:51 AM
2/2 picks, no where to go but do better

Ursinus: Bears won't hibernate, could be close but no Jay cigar
McDaniel: Terror with home edge & make up for Memorial Hall debacle
Gburg: Though Sho'man potentially tough at Cain
Dickinson: Obvious at home, but Chaz always with chance to take over a contest
F&M: Dips on losing tear, believe SWAT has decent chance for upset but picking Garnet has left me in contest freefall





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 01, 2008, 01:18:33 PM
2/2 picks:

Not a good day for some teams on the road.

McDaniel (Muhlenberg is 1-8 on the road)
Dickenson (Haverford is 0-8 on the road)
F&M (Swarthmore is 0-8 on the road)

Upset pick:  Washington over Gettysburg (Getty is feeling complacent in their standing as #2 team)

Tough pick: Got to pick Ursinus over Hopkins. While the Jays played the Bears tough at Colleageville, they had a couple of trends in their favor ....  they killed the Bears on OFF rebounds where the ball "may have bounced in the right direction" from their 3 pointers ... from 6:51 to 1:45 mark, Bears were outscored 11-2 to make the game close .. and Shema had foul trouble during the whole game. Coach Small will have the team fired up to complete the "revenge factor." They spanked Haverford already because they lost last year in the semi-finals @ Hopkins arena. And, closure will happen when they win @ Hopkins arena to avenge the "site" factor.

If the Bears win this game, we could see them in D3hoops's top 25. Or, maybe I just gave them the kiss of death  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 01, 2008, 06:51:16 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for the 02/02/2008 pick-ems"

Ursinus @ Hopkins:   Hopkins. Blue Jays are due for a big win and are always tough in Baltimore even if the stands aren't filled with students and local fans. No matter how good the Bears are, it is always tough to go undefeated in conference - just ask the Dips' squads that went to the Final Fours in the 1990's! No real reason behind selection except for a gut feeling.

Muhlenberg @ McDaniel:   McDaniel, but not with much conviction here especially since the Terror has had recent trouble holding leads and has been pushed into overtime the last two games! I think that the Mules match-up with the Green Terror pretty well personnel-wise. It is fairly tough call here. However, in the end, I gave the edge to the Terror in light of the Mules' weak road record and the Terror's good home court stats.

Gettysburg @ Washington:   Gettysburg. Not much to say here as the records for Gettysburg and Washington tell the tale. Bullets shoot down the Shoremen, even in their Chestertown bandbox!

Haverford @ Dickinson:   Haverford. I probably should have taken the Red Deveils, especially in light of the Fords' less than stellar road record. Maybe the last game (a win) will start them on a roll with Chazz taking charge again. Just another gut feeling here.  No defensible reason for selection except that the Devils could come out flat after a big tough come-from-behind win against the Dips.

Swarthmore @ Franklin And Marshall:   F&M. Dips due to rebound after three very tough road losses and Mayser Center is a perfect place to do it where the Dips are always tough and have a strong home record this year. Garnet should be better than their record indicates. However, they are misearble in conference and on the road, only slightly better than the Shoremen.

Well, thats it - another set of wild guesses! It looks to me like another prayer to go 5-0 and to try to move up in the overall standings. I haven't seen anything from R. W. yet.

Since the F&M game is a late start - 8:00 P. M., I will probably try to get to Mayser for the action. I saw the Dips in Westmister and Carlisle and will most my thoughts later in a separate entry.

Hope everyone survived the winter weather mix! Good luck to all prognosticators, fans, and the teams. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 02, 2008, 08:50:58 AM
Stats have been updated for the conference;

Ursinus still leads overall scoring/game ave.
Haverford still has the best scoring defense.

Muhlenberg has the best home team attendence.. just to get something different in.

http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 02, 2008, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: old ends on February 02, 2008, 08:50:58 AM

Muhlenberg has the best home team attendence.. just to get something different in.


For my 2 cents worth just to get something different in, Ursinus has the best looking female students. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2008, 10:24:30 AM
Groundhog Day picks:

Dickinson
F&M
Gettysburg
Ursinus
McDaniel


I got lucky the other night when McDaniel and F&M failed to hold onto leads.  Both teams should get back on track today.  Dickinson at home; Gettysburg and Ursinus in tight battles on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 03, 2008, 02:20:31 PM
Results for 2/2/08 Pick-em's and groundhogs day...

Reserved Seat-------- 5 - 0
Suetonius-------------4 - 1
r.w.mcnickels---------4 - 1
Leo ---------- -----   3 - 2
Old Ends --- --------    3 - 2
Diplomanic1 -----------2 - 3

Overall

Reserved Seat -----  33 - 7  ( .825)
r.w.mcnickels------- 32 - 8 ( .800)
Leo ----------- ---  29 - 11(.725)
Old ends ---------- 28 - 12( .700)
Suetonius ---------- 26 - 14( .650)
Diplomanic1----------15 - 10 (.600)

With 6 sets of games to go anyone's race. One overtime game and two games that 4 points between a win or a loss could have really jumbled things up..

Congrats to Reserved Seat, who use his knowledge and crystal ball to get a perfect 5-0.

One thing I could never figure out, not being from PA. What is the difference, 6 more weeks of winter or 6 more weeks till spring. Groundhogs could never make up thier minds or are great politicians.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 03, 2008, 02:34:26 PM
Standings CC
Ursinus                  12-0
Gettysburg            10-2 
McDaniel                 7-5 
Johns Hopkins         7-5 
Muhlenberg             7-5 
Franklin & Marshall   6-6 
Dickinson                 6-6 

Can F & M and or Dickinson make the run to get into the conference playoff's?
Can Hopkins, McDaniel, and Muhlenberg keep the above out??

Going to be a good finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 03, 2008, 02:38:02 PM
2/06/08 Pick-em's

F & M               @     John Hopkins
McDaniel           @    Swarthmore
Washington      @    Ursinus
Dickinson          @    Gettysburg
Haverford         @    Muhlenberg

Good luck to all!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 04, 2008, 11:25:45 AM
2/6 Picks:

McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Hopkins (the Dips will run out of gas)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 04, 2008, 03:42:04 PM
Hopefully the crystal ball isn't too foggy.

2/6 picks

F & M--tunnel vision pick
Swarthmore--even though he pouts and whines, Ian needs a win
Ursinus--no one had figured out how to beat them yet.
Gettysburg--should be an interesting game under the basketball, but the Bullets have more bullets in
                   the chambers
Muhlenberg--the Fords continue to stall out
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 04, 2008, 06:16:10 PM
2/6 picks

JHU
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gburg
Muhlenberg

No upsets for me, have no faith in Dips on road, often played well at Hopkins when they had better more seasoned teams, not so this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 04, 2008, 07:01:47 PM
2/6/08 pick-ems

John Hopkins-- they need the win to stay in the playoff hunt
McDaniel--They too need to win
Ursinus-- They too will win
Gettysburg--They should win--Route 34 battle
Muhlenberg-- They must keep winning to stay in the hunt

therefore the they's technicality thrash those thither.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 04, 2008, 07:18:22 PM
Stats are posted thru 2/4/ games

http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

Washington leads in steals and turnover margins.. go figure!
Ursinus in scoring offense and Haverford in scoring defense.
Swarthmore in offensive boards and F & M in defense boards

NCAA Stats:  http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings

Haverford 20th in scoring defense, McDaniel 32nd and Dickinson 54th
Ursinus 19th in field goal percentage and Gettysburg 38th.




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 04, 2008, 08:14:19 PM
Ursinus cracks into this week's Top 25 at No. 21.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 05, 2008, 04:45:25 PM
2/6 picks:

F&M
Muhlenberg
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg

Who knows, it could be time for McNally and Baker to lead F&M to a big road win.  Almost picked Dickinson after two razor close wins for the Devils, but decided on the Bullets and their big guns.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 06, 2008, 04:56:57 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

Here are my selections for tonight's 2/6 Pick-ems:

F&M @ Johns Hopkins:     Diplomats. This one of the two fairly difficult games to pick. Heart says pick F&M and head says pick the Blue Jays. However, except for F&M's poor road record, the remainder of the season statistics (scoring offense, rebounding, three-pointers, defense, etc.) suggest a slight edge for the Diplomats. So, I will go with my heart and hope that the Dips can finally get the monkey off their backs and deliver that long awaited and very important conference road win. Dips always play well at Goldfarb.

Haverford @ Muhlenberg:   Mules. Mules are always tough in cavernous Memorial Hall in Allentown. It is a difficult place to play with an apparent poor (very dark) shooting background and real loud and unruly local fans from the town. Fords have a weak road record and just can't seem to get it together despite of the best efforts of Chaz.

McDaniel @ Swarthmore:   Green Terror. This one shouldn't even be close. However, the Garnet always seems to hang around and keep most games close. They don't appear to have much bench or support for Ian. Terror should also out-physical Swarthmore.

Washington @ Ursinus:   Ursinus. Golden Bears may lose in conference. However, tonight is not the night for that to happen! There's nothing else to say here.

Dickinson @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg. This is the second fairly difficult game in which to make a prediction. Should be a real battle inside and a close good game. I just think the Bullets have too much gunpowder for the Red Devils, especially at Bream.

Well, there goes nothing. The above deranged musings represents another weak attempt by me to climb up the ladder in the rankings. I won't get to Baltimore tonight because I would have to spend almost seven hours roundtrip from southwest-central PA in the car for two hours of gametime. That's a real tough trade-off during the work week. It would be after midnight before I got back home. Now, on the weekend, that type of trip would be a slightly different story!

Good luck to all teams, fans, and prognosticators. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 06, 2008, 08:49:51 PM
Pick-em's for 02/09/08

Gettysburg      @  Muhlenberg
McDaniel         @  Ursinus
F & M             @  Washington
John  Hopkins  @  Haverford
Dickinson          @  Swarthmore

Diplomanic1  Your weekly ramble was again but forth with much thought and insite. Hopefully your logic will prove positive for the effort.

Will post results from tonight games tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 07, 2008, 09:23:16 AM
Picks for 2/9

Gettysburg
John Hopkins
Ursinus
Dickenson
F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 07, 2008, 08:41:30 PM
Results of 2/6/08 pick-em's

Leo                 5 - 0
Suetonius         5 - 0
Old Ends           5 - 0
Diplomanic1      4 - 1
r.w.mcnickels    4 - 1
Reserved Seat   3 - 2

Overall

Reserved Seat     36 - 9 (.800)
r.w.mcnickels       36 - 9 (.800)
Leo                    34 - 11(.756)
old ends              33 - 12(.733)
Suetonius            31 - 14(.689)
Diplomanic1         19 - 11(.633)

congrats to Leo, Suetonius, and old ends a perfect 5 - 0.. I personally took someone's crystal ball that week..I wish!!

overall with 5 sets of games to go --- it is still up for grabs..

good luck with 2/9 pick-em's listed above
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 07, 2008, 09:45:05 PM
With 5 games to go F & M  and Dickinson may be falling out of the race. This week is the battle of the Berg's( Burg's) with the Muhls needing it at home to stay in the playoff hunt. McDaniel has the tough game taking on Ursinus at the Bears home court. The Terror also need to win, but it could prove to be a tougher task of the top teams this Saturday.

F & M finishes out with two home games which could come into play in the overall playoff picture. No one else in the Conference has that at season's end.

Also any All Conference picks from any of you.. I am going to look at the stats Sunday and throw a few names out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 07, 2008, 09:53:04 PM
The Stats are posted take a look.

Click here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 07, 2008, 11:59:52 PM
2/9 picks

Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Washington
JHU
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 08, 2008, 04:27:15 PM
Picks for 2/9

Muhlenberg-- The battle of the Bergs(Burgs). This time at home for the Mules who won the boards
                      but did not shoot well.. Maybe better at home. They need to keep winning.
Ursinus
Washington--F & M's road record equals Washington's home record and the last time they only lost
                       by eight and F & M shot the lights out.
Hopkins
Dickinson-- Only because they need the win to jump ahead of F & M


Good luck to all!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2008, 05:14:57 PM
Having trouble with my internet connection.  I thought I already posted my picks for 2/9, but when I looked today they weren't there. 
Second try-same picks, so they won't be any better than the first try.

Gettysburg
Ursinus
F & M
John  Hopkins
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 08, 2008, 06:35:18 PM

My Picks for 2/9:

Gettysburg @ Muhlenberg   -   Gettysburg. Toughest game to pick. I take the team with the better overall record to best the team with a strong home record.

Hopkins @ Haverford   -   Hopkins. Nothing else to say that hasn't already been said about the Fords.

McDaniel @ Ursinus   -   Ursinus. Golden Bears at home have too much firepower for the Green Terror.

Dickinson @ Swarthmore   -   Dickinson.

F&M @ Washington   -   F&M. Tunnel-vision with the Dips still having time to get a road win. What better place to do it than against the Shoremen in Chestertown?!?

Can't imagine that these picks are any better than those that I have made over the last two weeks. May try to see the F&M game and have crabcakes for dinner.

Good luck to all. Regards.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 08, 2008, 09:15:34 PM
2/9 picks:

Muhlenberg
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus
Dickinson
Washington


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 08, 2008, 09:46:06 PM
Boy there is going to be some changes this week.

Ursinus, Dickinson, and John Hopkins became everyone's choice. Now the fun part. Those who picked Gettysburg also Picked F & M. While those who picked Muhlenberg also picked Washington. It could work out that nothing changes or there may be a whole lot of shaken going on..

Will find out by Saturday Night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 09, 2008, 07:31:52 PM
Results of 02/09/08 pick-em's

diplomanic1      5 - 0
Leo                 5 - 0
Reserved Seat   5 - 0
Suetonius         3 - 2
r.w.mcnickels    3 - 2
old ends           3 - 2

Overall
Reserved Seat     41 - 9  (.820)
Leo                    39 - 11(.780)
r.w.mcnickels       39 - 11(.780)
old ends              36 - 14(.720)
diplomanic1          24 - 11(.685)
Suetonius            34 - 16(.680)

Congrats to Leo, diplomanic1, and Reserved Seat for a perfect 5 - 0 for todays games.

The games were tight-- John Hopkins and Dickinson both needed overtime to win. Ursinus and Gettysburg had narrow victories. F & M won big time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 09, 2008, 07:44:23 PM
Pick-em's for 02/13/08

Gettysburg          @  John Hopkins
Ursinus                @  F & M
Haverford            @  Washington
McDaniel              @  Dickinson
Muhlenberg         @  Swarthmore

The next 4 sets of games really start to set the playoff's Ursinus and Gettysburg are in. Hopkins, McDaniel, and Muhlenberg are in control of thier own playoff berth's, if they can win out. F & M and Dickinson must win out to get a shot.

F & M has Ursinus at home, Haverford away, Gettysburg at home, and Dickinson at home for what could be a playoff spot.
Dickinson has McDaniel at home, Ursinus at home, Muhlenberg at home, and F & M away.

Thoughts???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 09, 2008, 10:22:19 PM
3 miles left in the marathon run, and the leader is now in sight   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 10, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
Ok!! As I stated before that today I would put together an All- Conference List.. It may not even look like the one the Coaches and SID put together...I looked at Stats and Past game day info from the Teams web pages. I also looked at the weekly releases from the conference...Position that they play did not have any bearing..

You may say no to all or add a few, but look it over and add your remarks and or players.

10 Players

Nick Shattuck              Ursinus
Dan Capkin                 Gettysburg
Tom Leszczynski          Dickinson
Ian McCormick             Swarthmore
Doug Polster               John Hopkins
Chris Prior                   McDaniel
Brandon Chasen           F & M
Remy Cousart             Ursinus
James McNally             F & M
Mike Bernardini            Muhlenberg

Look it over and have fun with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 11, 2008, 12:59:18 PM
I think John Noonan from Ursinus deserves a mention/addition to the list. We all know that Shattuck will be POY. Remy Cousart is the point guard running the offense. While Cousart has done a good job, I think Noonan deserves a slight nod over Remy because John has elevated his play in many areas. 

2007 vs 2008

8.3          vs.   13.5  ppg
40.6%     vs.   44.9%   FG
33.0        vs.    37.4%   3 pt FG
76.3        vs.    80.6%    FT
26.6 mins   vs    28.8 mins/game

Moreover, his defense is also better this year.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 11, 2008, 08:48:02 PM
Leo:
Like I said, please give imput into this list. It is not any official list, just wnat to see how close all of use together get to the offical team from the Conference. After all you are running the marathon.
Quote from: old ends on February 09, 2008, 07:44:23 PM
Pick-em's for 02/13/08

Gettysburg          @  John Hopkins
Ursinus                @  F & M
Haverford            @  Washington
McDaniel              @  Dickinson
Muhlenberg         @  Swarthmore

The next 4 sets of games really start to set the playoff's Ursinus and Gettysburg are in. Hopkins, McDaniel, and Muhlenberg are in control of thier own playoff berth's, if they can win out. F & M and Dickinson must win out to get a shot.

F & M has Ursinus at home, Haverford away, Gettysburg at home, and Dickinson at home for what could be a playoff spot.
Dickinson has McDaniel at home, Ursinus at home, Muhlenberg at home, and F & M away.

Thoughts???

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 11, 2008, 08:54:39 PM
Here are the latest update from the Conference.

Weekly update: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2008/CC_MBK_211.pdf

Stats Including games thru 2/9/08: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 12, 2008, 01:06:12 PM
On All-CC player thought list

Brandon Chasen (FM) isn't doing enough to even make HM. Others to be considered should be Chaz Thomas (HC) or Andrew Powers (GB), not sure who else should be dropped.

On another note the CC seems to be improving top to bottom. Next year should be very entertaining. The only teams that will probably not be as strong are SWAT (lose seniors including McCormick), McDaniel & Ursinus (they will miss Shattuck badly & will not likely be able to replace him). Ursinus won't be a shoo-in next year & could fall several pegs.

JHU, Gburg, DC & HC should be better. MC and F&M should be much better and some of these teams are already quite good. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2008, 06:33:32 PM
2/13 Picks

Gettysburg--inside player strength so beat JH
F & M--GIANT upset-perfect season ended(sounds familiar)
Haverford--with little confidence
Dickinson--home team--fans should count for a few points
Muhlenberg--too much for Swarthmore

I agree with Suetonius about Brandon Chasen.  He's been too inconsistent for All-CC list.  He's had some great games and helped greatly when Hines and Scovill couldn't play.  McNally is a worthy choice. Baker is a future All-CC player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 12, 2008, 07:22:45 PM
2/13 picks, and a challenging set it is.

JHU: home court in a toss-up
Ursinus: did think Dips might pull off upset but have recanted, but next year it could be different
Washington: Fords haven't done well on the road, Sho'men haven't done well at home
McDaniel: riskily picking road team in another crap shoot, ? no near-Bear upset hangover for Terror
Muhlenberg: SWAT often close but no cigar at home, am picking a Mule OT victory



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 12, 2008, 09:24:42 PM
Picks for 2/13/08

Gettysburg    will keep pressure up for the playoff's no let down now
Ursinus          I think they want to remain perfect in the conference for the number 1 seed.
Washington    Next
Dickinson       They need the win to keep in the hunt and move up the list
Muhlenberg    Must win to stay in the hunt-- can't let up


Will try to post results on Thursday and Saturday's games tomorrow. I will not be in wireless range for a few days. Will try toget to a computer with a land line. If unable all will be updated by mid day monday..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 12, 2008, 09:37:58 PM
Update on Our All Conference Team

Quote from: old ends on February 10, 2008, 02:33:43 PM

10 Players

Nick Shattuck              Ursinus
Dan Capkin                 Gettysburg
Tom Leszczynski          Dickinson
Ian McCormick             Swarthmore
Doug Polster               John Hopkins
Chris Prior                   McDaniel
Chaz Thomaas            Haverford
John Noonan               Ursinus
James McNally             F & M
Mike Bernardini           Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 13, 2008, 06:30:38 AM
Picks for 2/13:

Hopkins (this will be played like a playoff game and home court rules)
Ursinus  (F&M season will come to a bloody end)
Haverford (someone pull the fork out of Washington, they are done)
Dickinson  (this is their season game if they want to continue, and at home)
Muhlenberg

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 13, 2008, 07:14:12 AM
As for my final thoughts on the all CC team, I am recommending a strong (somewhat controversal) point:  Remy Cousart should be picked over Chaz Thomas.

Ursinus is having a surprising year, and I believe that 3 players are the reason for this and should be recognized on the all CC team: Shattuck (leadership and skill), Noonan (shooting and defense) and Cousart (point guard play).

CC is a guard driven league. If you have a good point guard running the offense, then your team will fair well. Having a good shooting guard like Chaz is nice to have, but he has had to be spectacular this season. Personally, I expected bigger things from Chaz, and even considered him as a potential POY. Chaz hasnot been spectacular. Haverford was picked #3 in the preseason poll, and I am sure they are the biggest disappointment this season at 3-11.

On the other hand, Cousart has run the Ursinus offense very well this year.  It was very difficult for him as a freshman last year to fill the shoes of McGarvey (POY). As a soph this year, he leads the league in assists per game. He is the quiet man on the team and does his job well.

Cousart should be an HM for the CC team.

Old Ends, I think you did a damn good job in selecting the top 10 players. I am just trying to tweek it a bit, and see how we all do.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 13, 2008, 12:29:55 PM


Folks -

Tonight features a fairly difficult slate of games from which to make picks. Hopefully, the weather will not force any cancellations. However, the forecast doesn't look too good later this afternoon and early this evening for the games that will be played in Pennsylvania. It may be better for the games scheduled to take place in Maryland.

That being said, here are my best guesses albeit made without any degree of confidence:

McDaniel @ Dickinson:   McDaniel. Kline Center students were fairly quiet when F&M was there in late January. So, they might not be much of an advantage for the Red Devils. There is no question that the Devils need the win more than McDaniel. I'll take the Terror to make the Devils green with envy!

Ursinus @ Franklin And Marshall:   Ursinus. Hometown and Alma Mater loyalty only goes so far - no pick with the heart here. Golden Bears have too much for the Dips. Although, I would love the upset, but........

Haverford @ Washington:   Washington, but with no conviction. Fords are winless on the road. This may be their last legitmate chance to notch a road victory. I'll take the Shoremen to surprise Chaz and company.

Gettysburg @ Johns Hopkins:   Gettysburg. Toughest game of all to call! Although the Bullets have had alot of close calls lately, I just think that the Bullets appear have a slight edge on paper. Students are always quiet at Goldfarb! Jays will be really blue after this one!

Muhlenberg @ Swarthmore:   Muhlenberg. Team with weak road record vs. team with very weak overall record. Mules absolutely need win to stay in hunt for Conference Tournament. The Garnet don't appear deep enough around Ian to get the win, even if they are at home.

Well, there you have it! Hope the ice and snow isn't too bad were you folks are at. I probably won't make the trek (only slightly more than two hours) from Huntingdon County to Mayser Center tonight due to the weather outlook. Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 13, 2008, 02:41:03 PM
2/13 picks:

Dickinson
Ursinus
Washington
Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg

Quote from: Suetonius on February 12, 2008, 01:06:12 PM
On another note the CC seems to be improving top to bottom.

Suetonius, great point.  I think the "middle of the pack" teams are better than they've been in the past.  Most teams have talented youth, so I could see the CC being the strongest conference in the region next year if it's not already — although that isn't saying a whole lot!

Quote from: Leo on February 13, 2008, 06:30:38 AM
F&M season will come to a bloody end

Not the best week to inject blood into a sports argument. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 13, 2008, 05:57:58 PM
Just noticed that the regional rankings were released today.  I'm not sure the CC has ever had the top two ranked teams (possibly F&M and Hopkins in the '90s, but not sure about that).  If the Bears retain the top spot, they'd have a good argument to host a game or two in NCAAs.

Middle Atlantic Region

1. Ursinus 19-2 16-1 .526 .518
2. Gettysburg 17-3 15-2 .553 .521
3. Widener 17-4 14-3 .553 .524
4. Messiah 15-6 14-5 .650 .519
5. DeSales 17-4 14-3 .522 .507
6. Albright 14-5 14-4 .528 .544
7. York (Pa.) 16-6 16-5 .557 .506
8. Moravian 17-5 16-5 .462 .511
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2008, 06:38:24 AM
Ursinus shot an incredible 15 for 21 from the 3-point line.  No matter who shot, the ball was dead on.
Shattuck was the coldest of Ursinus' shooters, and he was still three for seven.  Meanwhile F&M shot 3 for 22 from the 3-point line.  Almost everything they shot was off.  It was an easy win win for Ursinus.
With the 3-pointers dropping, they never had to work the ball inside.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 14, 2008, 10:15:41 AM
Saw the Ursinus/F&M on video stream last night.

It was an incredible display of 3 point shooting. The Bears moved the ball around very well and a shooter was open most of the time. Granted, the shooter has to make the shot. The Bear's defense was pretty good on the Dips. Most of the time there was a Bear's player in the Dip's face making their shots difficult. Morevoer, Shema did a great job with his blocked shots (I think he had 7) and intimidated the Dip's inside game.

I was impressed with McNally's play, and F&M could have a good future with him for the next 3 years.

I thought last night that the Dips could of moved the basketball quicker to McNally inside and then McNally back out to the guards, and then swing it around for some open shots. However, hard to beat 15 for 21 on 3 point shooting.

Great night for Coach Small. He wins his 100th CC game, and becomes the Bear's winningest coach. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 14, 2008, 10:34:35 AM
Boy, did Muhlenberg play like donkeys last night. And Dickinson could only score 3 points in the last 4:46 mins of the game, and lose by 2. And then, there is Hopkins being smoked on their home court.

This does not bode well for my record.  >:(

Was there a full moon last night ?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 14, 2008, 04:56:09 PM
results for 2/13/08

Diplomanic1         3  - 2
suetonius             2 - 3
r.w.mcnickels        1 - 4
Leo                     2 - 3
Reserved Seat      2 - 3
old ends                2 - 3

Overall

Reserved Seat        43 - 12
r.e.mcnickels           40 - 15
Leo                        41 - 14
old ends                 38 - 17
diplomanic1             27 - 13
suetonius                36 - 19

I will update percentages Sunday..

What a different set of games that was.. only one home team won.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 14, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
Pick-em's for 2/16/08

F & M             @   Haverford
John Hopkins   @  Muhlenberg
Swarthmore   @  Gettysburg
Washington    @  McDaniel
Ursinus           @  Dickinson

Good luck, will catch everything up Sunday..Found a wireless conection for now .
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 14, 2008, 05:02:42 PM
Picks for 2/16/08

F & M
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Ursinus

Cood luck to all!!

Must go connection getting week
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 14, 2008, 06:27:06 PM
Old Ends, my record was 2-3, not 3-2. Thank you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2008, 07:19:07 PM
Old Ends, my record was, also, 2-3, not 3-2. Also, thank you for keeping track of the results.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 15, 2008, 11:34:53 AM
old ends, thanks for the generosity, but I was a pitiful 1-4 Wednesday night (2/13).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 15, 2008, 11:45:28 AM
Quote from: Leo on February 14, 2008, 10:15:41 AM
Saw the Ursinus/F&M on video stream last night.

It was an incredible display of 3 point shooting. The Bears moved the ball around very well and a shooter was open most of the time. Granted, the shooter has to make the shot. The Bear's defense was pretty good on the Dips. Most of the time there was a Bear's player in the Dip's face making their shots difficult. Morevoer, Shema did a great job with his blocked shots (I think he had 7) and intimidated the Dip's inside game.

I was impressed with McNally's play, and F&M could have a good future with him for the next 3 years.

I thought last night that the Dips could of moved the basketball quicker to McNally inside and then McNally back out to the guards, and then swing it around for some open shots. However, hard to beat 15 for 21 on 3 point shooting.

Great night for Coach Small. He wins his 100th CC game, and becomes the Bear's winningest coach. 


Leo, I haven't seen shooting like that in a long time.  The Bears have an incredible group of guards.  Noonan and Shattuck are difficult to defend, and Cousart makes the whole offense run smoothly.

As for McNally, he could average 18 and 12 for the next three years and it won't matter.  Until they get better guard play, especially at the point, the Dips will remain a mediocre program.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 15, 2008, 07:01:49 PM


Old Ends -

Unless I am mistaken, I believe that I was 3-2 for 2/13 and not 4-1. Like the rest of us, I think that perhaps your tabulating system suffered from momentary down-time! It's not that I don't want the extra win to move up in the standings. But, I want to do so on the merits or lack thereof for my picks!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 15, 2008, 07:22:24 PM


Folks -

I guess it is that time already - time to make the picks for 2/16 (or is that "the donuts")! Anyway, here are my deranged musings -

Ursinus @ Dickinson:   Ursinus. Nothing to say here even though the Red Devils really need the win! Golden Bears all the way.

Franklin And Marshall @ Haverford:  F&M. This is one of the two more difficult games to choose. But, I will pick the Dips for a rare road win as they really need it to stay in the hunt for a spot in the conference tournament. They were helped by some of Wednesday evening's other losses.

Johns Hopkins @ Muhlenburg:  Johns Hopkins. Here is the other tough game to call - just not very sure about either squad. Mules are better at home and really need the game more to stay in the hunt for a conference tournament slot. Hopkins has the better overall record and is only average on the road. Everything else being fairly even, I will take the Blue Jays since a loss by the Mules helps the Dips more!

Swarthmore @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg. Not too much to say here either. The Garnet are winless on the road and the Bullets are clearly the better team and always tough at Bream.

Washington @ McDaniel:   McDaniel. Although the Shoremen beat the Green Terror in their first meeting, the outcome should be different this time, especially since it is at the Gill Center. See above comments on the Swarthmore/Gettysburg game.

And, there you have it. Hopefully, if the weather is nice tomorrow morning, I may head out of town and head for the Main Line to see the Dips play at Haverford, especially since I didn't make it to Mayser on Wednesday night!

Boys, these pick-em have sure been fun. It is too bad we didn't have a few more participants supporting other schools. But then, Old Ends might have needed assistance with the tabulating process! Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2008, 07:36:14 PM
The crystal balls must've been working on Wednesday.  The nasty weather must have clouded the globes.  I think I cracked mine when I slipped on my icy driveway.  A blue haze still affects my picks.
Here goes:

F & M--a must win and that blue haze effect
John Hopkins--the crystal is cloudy on this one
Gettysburg--too much for the Garnet
McDaniel--at home and Washington is struggling
Ursinus--even if they don't shoot as well as Wednesday
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 15, 2008, 10:44:13 PM
1/16 picks

Haverford: Dips road woes may snuff out season
Muhlenberg: Back in the visitor unfriendly confines
Gburg: lead pipe cinch
McDaniel: another slam dunk pick
Ursinus: May do it to the Devils

What has happened to F&Ms Scovill?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 16, 2008, 08:45:22 AM
Picks for 1/16"

Ursinus
F&M  ( I think I forgot taking my prozac in picking this game)
Hopkins (I hope the donkeys don't wake up)
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 16, 2008, 10:19:51 AM
2/16 picks:

Ursinus
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2008, 10:44:40 AM
Heading to the Ursinus/Dickinson games this afternoon. Who else?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 16, 2008, 11:32:33 AM
Pat:

To far for me from South Jersey to Dickinson. I usually go to the bear's home game. Perhaps, I would see ya there during the first two rounds of the DIV. III tourney.   :D

I am very interested in hearing your opinion of the Ursinus team, and how they stack up to other teams you have seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2008, 03:29:54 PM
Scovill has an ankle injury which won't heal.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 16, 2008, 03:50:32 PM
Haverford pounds F&M, 76-64.  Don't let the score fool you - the Fords led by 30 in the second half.  Thomas and Fratangelo had big games for the Fords, while McNally (23 points) seemed to be F&M's only option until Brooks turned it on late.

Looks like Muhlenberg couldn't get any home cooking at Memorial Hall, so F&M remains alive for the fifth spot.  The Dips are trying to die in peace, but nobody will let them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 12:21:38 PM
I liked Ursinus -- on a day where Shattuck was real quiet (couple quick buckets right before Ursinus emptied the bench got him to 14) others stepped up.

Noonan, in particular, impressed me.

Took pictures: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=2080
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 17, 2008, 04:02:14 PM
Hi, haven't had a post since the beginning of the season but have been following the conference pretty closely all season.  I would like to say that this Ursinus team is having one of the best seasons in conference history but I don't know if I would say they have been one of the best teams. I could be wrong but I would like to see what other people think. With that said, I was thinking about what would happen if you take the best players from each team regardless of graduation year and put them on an all time team and what their combined stats would look like.  I put this together for Ursinus.

   Name              Grad Year   PPG   Shtg %   3 Pt %   FT %   APG   RPG   TO PG
PG   Mike McGarvey   2006   15.4   0.422   0.382   0.726   7.6   3.4   3.9
SG   Dennis Stanton   2004   32.6   0.451   0.393   0.838   1.7   3.9   3.6
F   Nick Shattuck   2008   21.9   0.537   0.395   0.707   2.0   6.5   2.8
F   Richie Barrett   2001   18.3   0.522   0.421   0.741   1.9   7.7   2.2
C   Dan Luciano   2003   19.0   0.584   0.22   0.635   1.8   10.5   3.2
                           
Res G   Luther Owens   2001   12.5   0.447   0.366   0.753   5.6   3.7   3.5
Res F/C   Steve Erfle   2003   16.3   0.563   0.000   0.589   1.5   9.4   3.1
Res F   Will Furey                   2007   15.3   0.507   0.491   0.84   2.1   5.9   2.8
Res G   Brian McEvily   2006   14.4   0.469   0.323   0.849   2.6   3.9   2.6
                           
   Raw Totals      165.7   0.500   0.396   0.742   26.7   54.9   27.7
   Adjusted Totals      124.275   0.500   0.396   0.742   20.0   41.2   20.8


I think these guys would make a pretty good team.  ;D  For the starters I took their POY statistics with the exception of Shattuck ( I took his current stats). For Barrett and Owens I took averages for their shooting percentages because they were not readily available. For the adjusted totals I took 75% of the raw totals because I figured that scoring averages, rebounds, assists, and turnovers would decrease by that much (I could be wrong on that one but you get the idea). What does everyone think of this team?  I am sure some F&M fans can put together an all time team that would match up pretty nicely with this Ursinus team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 17, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
Pat Coleman:

Thanks for sharing the pics from the Ursinus/Dickinson game.

Do you think that two teams from the Centennial Conference could make the tourney? I know there has been a history of discussion about the selection of teams, their regional presence and where the games are to be played. Two teams from the Centennial Conference are #1 and #2 in the Mid-Atlantic  Region rankings, which I believe hasn't happened before. Does this bode well for the Conference or is there still a feeling that the Conference is fair to weak?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2008, 09:48:12 AM
If they stay 1-2 in the regional rankings then it will be hard for them not to take both teams. Best way, mathematically, for that to happen is for both to win out and Gettysburg to win the CC tournament, but not sure that will be popular here. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 18, 2008, 12:56:03 PM
Results for 2/16/08 pick-em's

Reserved Seat           4 - 1
r.w.mcnickels             4 - 1
Leo                         4 - 1
suetonius                 4 - 1
Diplomanic1              4 - 1
old ends                   3 - 2

Overall
Reserved Seat        47 - 13 (.783)
Leo                       45 - 15 (.750)
r.w.mcnickels          44 - 16 (.733)
Diplomanic1            31 - 14 (.689)
old ends                 41 - 19 (.683)
suetonius               40 - 20 (.667)

Sorry for the mistakes and misspells... I only had a little bit of cell connection where I was and e-mails to family to let them know the wife and I were ok came first.. Sail boats must avoid storms and seek shelter quicker then normal craft.It also made us late for the plane to get back home.

All corrections have been made thanks for letting me know.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 18, 2008, 01:06:00 PM
Pick-em's for 2/20/08

John Hopkins      @  McDaniel
Muhlenberg        @  Dickinson
Gettysburg         @  F & M
Haverford           @  Ursinus
Swarthmore       @ Washington

With only one playoff spot open, Muhlenburg, F & M, and Dickinson still have a shot. I started to call it weeks ago. It may come down to Saturday's game with F & M and Dickinson. IF only I could pick my games as well as this.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 18, 2008, 01:12:10 PM
Picks for 2/20/08

McDaniel-- playoff spot game
Dickinson- they need it to stay in it
Gettysburg-- Like Pat said..they need to win out for NCAA's
Ursinus-- Clean sweep time
Swarthmore-- can't thinkof a need for either..they had an upset

I need a perfect two weeks....... lost crystal ball, rolled off the boat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 18, 2008, 05:20:02 PM
Picks for 2/20:

This has to be the toughest week to pick'em because some teams can change their playoff position. After looking over all the stats and revenge factors (and reviewing Pat Coleman's comments and paying him $10 for the picks  ;D), what it really comes down to is:  SENIOR DAY.  Seniors on 4 out of the 5 teams will be playing their last home game. Therefore, I am going the emotional route as follows:

Gettysburg
Ursinus
Mcdaniel
Dickinson
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 19, 2008, 08:48:33 AM
Yesterday, I referenced Pat Coleman (in paranthesis) in assisting me for my 2/20 picks. It was written as a joke.

I have met Pat on several occassions at Ursinus, and I respect his insights and knowledge of the players and the teams in DIII. As I have said before, when Pat speaks, people listen.

I apologize for the comment causing any disrespect to Pat and his work in DIII.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2008, 10:04:23 AM
No problem. I took it as a joke.

I've mellowed in my age. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 19, 2008, 01:24:38 PM
Quote from: Leo on February 18, 2008, 05:20:02 PM
SENIOR DAY.  Seniors on 4 out of the 5 teams will be playing their last home game. Therefore, I am going the emotional route as follows:

Gettysburg
Ursinus
Mcdaniel
Dickinson
Washington


Three of the five ... Washington has no seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 19, 2008, 01:56:38 PM
Thanks sunny for the update.  I will still pick Washington but change it from "Senior Day" to "Thank god its our last home game."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 19, 2008, 08:22:55 PM
Centennial Conference weekly release:
click here; http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2008/CC_MBK_218.pdf

AAnd the updated Stats:\
Click here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

Regional rankings update tomorrow.

Will post Saturdays pick-em's tomorrow and 2/20 results on Thursday.

Have fun and good luck
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 19, 2008, 09:03:36 PM
2/20 picks:

McDaniel: tough call
Muhlenberg: very tough call
Gettysburg: Wheels fall off Dips wagon again
Ursinus
SWAT: some choice
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 20, 2008, 10:18:52 AM
2/20 picks:

McDaniel
Dickinson
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Swarthmore

Ursinus could win its 17th CC game tonight.  If so, the Bears would tie F&M's record (set in 2004) for most conference wins since the Centennial went to a full double round robin schedule.  Interestingly, it was Ursinus that kept F&M from a perfect CC record in '04 as Dennis Stanton's 55 points beat the Dips in Collegeville.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 20, 2008, 02:31:32 PM
2/20 picks

McDaniel--hit a dry spell, but seem to be back
Dickinson--do or die
F & M--masochistic
Ursinus--looks like they're going to run the table
Washington--who knows 

Looks like I picked all the home teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 20, 2008, 05:16:21 PM

2/20 Picks -

Hopkins @ McDaniel:   McDaniel. Though, it was a tough pick.

Muhlenberg @ Dicksion:   Dickinson. Another close one. Went with home team. Mules miserable on the road.

Haverford @ Ursinus:   Ursinus. Enough said!

Gettysburg @ F&M:   Gettysburg. Heck, even I am a realist and have jumped ship! However, it might be close in Mayser Center.

Swarthmore @ Washington:   Washington, with no conviction. But, the Garnet are winless on the road!

Good luck to all! Regards,

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 20, 2008, 05:25:44 PM
Final pick-em's for 2008 Saturday 2/23/08

McDaniel            @  Gettysburg
Ursinus              @  Muhlenberg
Washington       @  John Hopkins
Dickinson           @  Franklin and Marshall ( had to spell it out for the final home game)
Haverford          @  Swarthmore

It has been fun. The comments and history that all of you put forth was great. Remember the Athletes, Coaches and Parents made this possible. For those playing thier final home game congrats and good luck in your future choices.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 21, 2008, 08:31:13 AM
Good fortune or luck, whatever you want to call it, the Bear's undefeated CC season is still alive. I was not at the game. I watched the live stats, and I went from elation to despair in a heartbeat. Shattuck makes a layout to tie the game with 1 sec left and gets fouled.  Yesssssssssss, I said. Then he missed the foul shot, and then it was  :o to see Noonan called for a foul with .8 secs left for Haverford to win the game. Nooooooooooooo, I said. What were you thinking  ???And then the foul shot was missed. Shattuck took over in the OT and shows why he should be the POY.

Sloppy game for the Bears. Turnovers were 24. Haverford outscored the Bears 23-11 off of turnovers.

On to muhlenberg  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 21, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
Let me tell you, I have rarely gone through so many emotions in such a short period of time during the final seconds of regulation between Ursinus and Haverford.  But I have to agree, the game was too sloppy. Turnovers have been bothering me all year with this team.  The biggest problem for the Bears was the zone D that Haverford was using (which caused a bunch of turnovers) and their inability to connect on their 3's last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 21, 2008, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Leo on February 21, 2008, 08:31:13 AM
I watched the live stats, and I went from elation to despair in a heartbeat.

Quote from: bearsfan1 on February 21, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
Let me tell you, I have rarely gone through so many emotions in such a short period of time during the final seconds of regulation between Ursinus and Haverford. 

Live stats are a great thing, but not when they nearly produce cardiac arrest.  Could this be the longest second of play in Centennial history?  I'm guessing not all of this happened in the final second, but still...what a finish.

From Ursinus Live Stats:

00:01   UC   GOOD! LAYUP by Nick Shattuck        UC 69  HAV 69  TIED
       ASSIST by Remy Cousart
00:01   HAV   FOUL by Mike Fratangelo
00:01   UC   MISSED FT SHOT by Nick Shattuck
       REBOUND (DEF) by Mike Fratangelo
00:01   UC   FOUL by John Noonan
00:01   UC   TIMEOUT TEAM
00:01   HAV   MISSED FT SHOT by Mike Fratangelo
       REBOUND (DEF) by Nick Shattuck
00:01   UC   MISSED 3 PTR by Nick Shattuck
        REBOUND (OFF) by (DEADBALL)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 01:55:25 PM
Actually, it sounds like a lot of it did.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 01:55:51 PM
FYI from Johns Hopkins regarding Saturday:

Due to our men's lacrosse game at Noon on Saturday, February 23rd, a variety of parking lots will be open at an event parking rate of $5-10.  These lots are the Space Telescope Lot off of San Martin and 115 University Parkway (near the corner of San Martin and University Parkway).  Metered spots will also be available, though limited on University Parkway and Charles Street.  The parking lot behind the Athletic Center will not be available due to media and television needs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 21, 2008, 03:36:09 PM
I was wondering if Live Stats could be sued for causing one's blood pressure to go sky high, possibly leading to cardiac arrest  :-\

Yes, I would agree that it was the longest one sec to be played. I think I was focused/glued on the computer screen for 15 mins.

Anyway, when this was happening, I could nopt help but remember the women's NCAA game between Rutgers and Tennessee (last week ithink). The last few secs ticked down, and then .. incredibly .. the game clock appeared to stop/pause at the 2 sec mark. The pause seemed like an eternity - like the last one sec at Ursinus. Anyway, a foul was called against Rutgers and Tennessee won the game on the foul line with less than a sec remaining. It was a controversal foul call, and ... well, the rest is history. 

I think there should be coach's challeneges and instant replay from now on .. (just kidding   ;D)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 21, 2008, 07:47:15 PM
Results from 2/20/08 pick-ems

Leo                 4 - 1
Diplomanic1       4 - 1
Reserved Seat   3 - 2
r.w.mcnickels     3 - 2
old ends            3 - 2
suetonius          2 - 3

Overall

Reserved Seat    50 - 15 (.770)
Leo                   49 - 16 (.754)
r.w.mcnickels      47 - 18 (.723)
Diplomanic1        35 - 15 (.700)
old ends             44 - 21 (.677)
Suetonius           42 - 23 (.646)

Our season is coming down  to the final set of games... Who will pick from the heart and who from the Gut??

Gook luck and have fun

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 21, 2008, 07:53:55 PM
Picks for 2/23/08

Gettysburg -- need to keep winning to get in NCAA
Ursinus-- perfect conference season on the line- last game showed them not to let up
Hopkins--Last conference game at home--maybe?
Dickinson- they really need it, if Ursinus wins, for that final playoff spot
Haverford-- The Blue Route Special goes to the fords..

Will continue pick-em's during the playoff's
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 21, 2008, 08:25:00 PM
Ursinus and Gettysburg are still 1 and 2 in the regional rankings for Mid-Atlantic Region. IF Ursinus get the automatic by winning the playoff's, might not be  the only team from the conference to make it.

Regional rankings; http://ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/polls/rankings/diviii

The OWPand OOWP for Gettysburg at this point looks good, unless I am reading it wrong they are in the top 10 for regional wins, but the overall ranking for opponents winning percentage is 116 out of 396 schools. That may hurt them unless the win out including the playoff.
click here: http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/owp.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 21, 2008, 11:20:32 PM
Okay, we have Dickinson, Muhlenberg and F&M fighting for 5th seed.

If Muhlenberg beats Ursinus and F&M beats Dickinson, then Muhlenberg becomes the 5th seed.

If Dickinson beats F&M and Ursinus beats Muhlenberg, then Dickinson becomes the 5th seed.

If F&M beats Dickinson, and Ursinus beats Muhlenberg, then we have a mess  ??? with all 3 teams tied. Moreover, all three teams will have the same identical record for head-to-head when it comes to the 1st tie breaker. For the 2nd tie breaker, I am confused here. Are they talking about overall record, which in this case - F&M would become the 5th seed with a record of 13-12 vs Muhlenberg at 11-14 and Dickinson at 12-12.

Is this correct, or do I need to take anothe Xanax  ::) 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 22, 2008, 09:03:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on February 21, 2008, 11:20:32 PM
Okay, we have Dickinson, Muhlenberg and F&M fighting for 5th seed.

If Muhlenberg beats Ursinus and F&M beats Dickinson, then Muhlenberg becomes the 5th seed.

If Dickinson beats F&M and Ursinus beats Muhlenberg, then Dickinson becomes the 5th seed.

If F&M beats Dickinson, and Ursinus beats Muhlenberg, then we have a mess  ??? with all 3 teams tied. Moreover, all three teams will have the same identical record for head-to-head when it comes to the 1st tie breaker. For the 2nd tie breaker, I am confused here. Are they talking about overall record, which in this case - F&M would become the 5th seed with a record of 13-12 vs Muhlenberg at 11-14 and Dickinson at 12-12.

Is this correct, or do I need to take anothe Xanax  ::) 



Overall record is never used as a tie-breaker in the Centennial.

The second tie-breaker is record versus the other Centennial teams in descending order from the top of the standings. 

So, first we check Ursinus.  All three teams were swept by the Bears.  Then Gettysburg - again, all three teams swept. 

Now, it gets interesting, since Hopkins and McDaniel *could* end up tied for third, however, if Hopkins wins on Saturday they wrap up third place for themselves.  Working under that assumption, we have F&M winning the tie-breaker as they beat Hopkins once, while Dickinson & Muhlenberg were both swept by the Blue Jays.  (FYI - Muhlenberg has the best record of the three against McDaniel at 2-0, while the other two are 0-2).

If McDaniel and Hopkins were to end up tied (they split the season series) and Muhlenberg-Dickinson-F&M end up tied, I'm not sure what would happen as the McDaniel/Hopkins tie-breaker would depend on who the #5 team is, while the fifth-place tie-breaker would depend on who the third seed is.  How do you figure out either without the other?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 22, 2008, 01:26:33 PM
Thanks Sunny for clarifying the 2nd tie breaker rule, and how it is applied.

Quote from: sunny on February 22, 2008, 09:03:16 AM
If McDaniel and Hopkins were to end up tied (they split the season series) and Muhlenberg-Dickinson-F&M end up tied, I'm not sure what would happen as the McDaniel/Hopkins tie-breaker would depend on who the #5 team is, while the fifth-place tie-breaker would depend on who the third seed is.  How do you figure out either without the other?

Interesting scenario if it comes to that. However, I would not like to see the "coin flip" used. What a shame for a team's fate to be determined by that. If at all possible, there should be a sudden death game for 5th seed if one of the three teams can be eliminated via the tie breaker. Just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 22, 2008, 02:12:27 PM
2/23 picks

Gettysburg
JHU
Ursinus
Dickinson
Haverford

F&Ms loss of Scovill exposed a backcourt deficiency, Dips are unable to strop treys from raining down from wide open opponents. Also only Rhyner seems to have an ability to score points from the backcourt. Devils will come back to a Mayser Center they have owned for years & clinch the 5th spot in playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 22, 2008, 02:29:19 PM
My god, I love this stuff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sunny, I think I can evolve the 3rd and 4th seedings since I now understand the 2nd tie breaker.

If Hopkins wins against Washington or McDaniel loses against Gettysburg, then Hopkins is 3rd seed. Mcdaniel is 4th seed.

If McDaniel beats Gettysburg and Hopkins loses to Washington, then there is a tie for 3rd place. Going head to head with Ursinus, Hopkins and Mcdaniel lost both games. Going head to head with Gettysburg, each split 1-1. BINGO this is where it gets interesting when Dickinson, Muhlenberg and F&M are all tied for 5th place.

In that scenario, Mcdaniel and Hopkins would be matched up against each of the 3 teams tied to see their series head to head record. In that case, Mcdaniel won two series (F&M and Dickinson) and lost Muhlenberg (0-2). Hopkins won two head to head series (Dickinson and Muhlenberg) and then was even with F&M. Therefore, Hopkins would be declared the 3rd seed.

With all this crap said, Hopkins will be the 3rd seed regardless to the outcomes on their games. 

Based on Sunny's analysis, F&M would win the tie breaker for 5th seed because they beat Hopkins once while the other two lost both.

In conclusion, Ursinus should beat Muhlenberg making the F&M and Dickson game the most important game of the year. Whoever wins between F&M and Dickinson is most likely to be the 5th seed provided Ursinus goes undefeated

I rest my care   :)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 22, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
My picks for 2/23:

Ursinus
Gettysburg
Hopkins
Swarthmore (Haverford has no more heart after tough loss to Ursinus, and will mail in the loss)

F&M - yes folks, I am going the Dips route. The Dips will claim 5th seed. The battle between McNally and Leszczynski will determine the game. My bet is on McNally playing the game of his life.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 22, 2008, 03:14:50 PM
PICKS

Gettysburg--want to make D3 play-offs
Ursinus--complete undefeated season
Hopkins--aid F&M's cause
Franklin and Marshall--with my heart; the horse isn't dead yet
Haverford--for pride
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 22, 2008, 05:43:24 PM
Greetings from the home office in Lancaster.  Here is the official CC tie-breaker for men's basketball:
1) Muhlenberg victory vs. Ursinus ... Mules are the No. 5 seed
2) Ursinus win and a Dickinson victory vs. F&M ... Red Devils are the No. 5 seed
3) Ursinus win and a F&M victory vs. Dickinson ... depends on the No. 3 seed as Dips, Devils and Mules are all 8-10

a) if Hopkins defeats Washington ... Blue Jays are No. 3 seed, McDaniel No. 4
b) if Hopkins loses and Gettysburg beats McDaniel ... JHU is #3, Terror #4
c) if Hopkins loses and McDaniel wins ... Green Terror is the No. 3 seed due to best record vs. Gettysburg.  Hopkins becomes No. 4

4) if Hopkins finishes ahead of McDaniel ... and Ursinus and F&M win ... Dips are #5 seed due to 1-1 record vs. Hopkins.
5) if McDaniel finishes ahead of Hopkins ... and Ursinus and F&M win ... Mules are #5 seed due to season sweep of Terror.

see ... just push the "easy" button.  Enjoy what promises to be a great day of Centennial basketball.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 22, 2008, 06:42:19 PM
Boy I am glad the Commish responded. Thanks for the info greatly needed for all of us.

Leo, I have been saying for sometime that the F & M-- Dickinson game is going to see who gets in for the final spot. Hopefully the commish does not have to spend extra hours into Saturday to figure it all out.

To all of you, may your team have a great game this final regular season event.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 22, 2008, 08:00:47 PM

Folks -

Here are my picks for Saturday, 2/23-

McDaniel @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg. Bullets win a close one to inch closer to NCAA bid.

Ursinus @ Muhlenburg:   Ursinus. Bears motivated to finish undeafeated in Conference.

Washington@ John Hopkins:   Hopkins. Blue Jays have much to gain with win. Shoremen winless on the road.

Dickinson @ Franklin And Marshall:   F&M. Toughest game to pick may yield closest contest of the weekend. Going with my heart here and the Dips advantage at Mayser Center.

Haverford @ Swarthmore:   Haverford. Mainline contest is another tough one to choose. Fords win one for Chaz in final game over Ian and the Garnet.

Well, there you have it! I have enjoyed everyone's comments and viewpoints. Let's do this again next year.

Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 23, 2008, 12:44:01 PM
2/23 picks:

Ursinus
Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins
F&M
Swarthmore

Thanks to the Commish for the tiebreaker info, although I might still need some extra Advil.  We'll know what happens in a few hours, I guess...

old ends, I think we should sign you to a contract extension to be next year's pick-em organizer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 23, 2008, 03:31:08 PM
Well Gettysburg locked up a victory today 78-57 over McDaniel..Everyone got that right.

r.w. contract already signed.. wage to increase 38.672%  from $ 0.00, My wife thinks there is something wrong with my math..

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 23, 2008, 04:08:23 PM
Another one everybody got correct..

Ursinus 72 -- Muhlenberg 69

The one and two seeds have won..

Now it is time for F & M and Dickinson.. who gets the 5th spot??   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 23, 2008, 05:06:46 PM
Hopkins and Washington has gone into overtime.. Hopkins throwing up alot of bricks. 38% from the floor, 1-8 3 point shots, and 69% of thier free throws.. Washington only doing a little better at the 3 point shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 23, 2008, 05:23:58 PM
Washington lost to  John Hopkins in o/t  68-69..another one we all picked

Thanks to sonny pointing out the game tracker went south at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 23, 2008, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: old ends on February 23, 2008, 05:23:58 PM
Washington defeats John Hopkins in o/t  68-67..all of us missed that one.

No. Hopkins won, 69-68.  Gametracker messed up and then was corrected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pantherdunker on February 23, 2008, 07:03:00 PM
The F and M season has come to an end. I have watched all season long, emphasis on long. I really feel for the kids on that team. My question is, when kids enter the year/program are they better athletes by the end of the season?? I'm not sure if this is truly the case. Are kids being developed throughout the season individually, are they sure of their respective roles, and does this then translate into better team play and chemistry. I think F and M needs to take a long look at their program. This team had more talent and potential in November, whether they were young or not doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 23, 2008, 07:19:11 PM
thanks sonny and I will change my message.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 23, 2008, 07:36:34 PM
Final Regular season pcik-em's results

Suetonius              5 - 0   
Old Ends                5 - 0
Reserved Seat        4 - 1
Diplomanic1            4 - 1
Leo                       3 - 2
r.w.mcnickels         3 - 2

Overall

Reserved Seat      54 - 16 (.771)
Leo                      52 - 18 (.743)
r.w.mcnickels         50 - 20 (.714)
diplomanic1           39 - 16 (.709)
old ends               49 - 21 (.700)
suetonius             47 - 23 (.671)

1. Reserved Seat gets the overall--great job  8)
2. suetonius and myself get the final perfect picks of the regular season.. ::)

will do this again next year with a little twist. I am going to have a first half and second half as well as an overall.
no point spread stuff, just straight up basketball.. Hope to have a lot more people joining in with us.
Watch for preseason warmup picks just to get thing going..

I have had a blast doing this and will keep posting during the off season.. Watch for the playoff pick-em's.
Thanks to everyone!!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2008, 08:36:28 PM
Old Ends, thanks for your work in keeping track of our 'educated' picks.  My crystal ball worked well, except for the blinders on my F&M picks.  Eight of my sixteen wrong picks were on F&M.
However, no one can question my loyalty.
Looking forward to next year.
I hope Ursinus can make a good showing for the Centennial Conference in the NCAAs.  I hope their close games at the end are not an omen for a quick exit.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 24, 2008, 10:03:46 AM
Only 1 pick-em for 2/27/08--

This is the second season of pick-em's. If you want I will run it for us till the Final NCAA game for DIV III.
I will know from the responses.

Dickinson  @  McDaniel


My Pick would be McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 24, 2008, 01:22:45 PM
So what exactly happened to F&M?  I can really only follow the records, but they looked like they were doing well at the midpoint of the season, and things just fell apart.  Why?

The positive is that they were 4 games better than last season, but the negative is that in the end, they were under .500 and got spanked in the CC.  I know the team is young, but what does the future hold?  At the beginning of the season, the talk on these boards was that the young team was built around some incredible recruits.  Is that still the belief?  Did these players disappoint, or do they just need another year to develop? 

I expect a lot more from F&M. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 24, 2008, 03:11:19 PM
2/27 Pick'em

I am going for a mild upset and pick Dickinson. I am sure that they are feeling pretty good at the moment with some momentum after spanking F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on February 26, 2008, 10:02:45 AM
Does anyone know when the all conference team will be posted?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 26, 2008, 10:38:48 AM
I think it's usually posted the day of the play-in game, which would be tomorrow.

Any picks?

Here's my first team:

F  Ian McCormick, Swarthmore
F  Tom Leszczynski, Dickinson
G  Dan Capkin, Gettysburg
G  John Noonan, Ursinus
G  Nick Shattuck, Ursinus

Second:

F  Chris Prior, McDaniel
F  Andrew Powers, Gettysburg
G  Chaz Thomas, Haverford
G  Corey Dorsey, Gettysburg
G  Remy Cousart, Ursinus

HM:

F  James McNally, F&M
F  Joe Spierenberg, Gettysburg
G  Kizmahr Grell, Dickinson
G  Matt Hilton, Ursinus
G  Doug Polster, JHU
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 26, 2008, 12:15:29 PM
McNickels:

I agree with everything from 1st team to HM's. I couldn't have done any better.

Player of the Year -  Shattuck (Ursinus)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 26, 2008, 04:39:15 PM
r.w. -- look good infact most of those lead the stats for thier position or are very close to the top:

Conference Stats: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

Weelky review will be released tomorrow and may have the all conference selection with it.
It should be interesting if we are close from the early top ten play10 Players.

Nick Shattuck              Ursinus
Dan Capkin                 Gettysburg
Tom Leszczynski          Dickinson
Ian McCormick             Swarthmore
Doug Polster               John Hopkins
Chris Prior                   McDaniel
Chaz Thomaas            Haverford
John Noonan               Ursinus
James McNally             F & M
Mike Bernardini           Muhlenberg

Pretty close,,


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 26, 2008, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: crambam on February 24, 2008, 01:22:45 PM
So what exactly happened to F&M?  I can really only follow the records, but they looked like they were doing well at the midpoint of the season, and things just fell apart.  Why?

The positive is that they were 4 games better than last season, but the negative is that in the end, they were under .500 and got spanked in the CC.  I know the team is young, but what does the future hold?  At the beginning of the season, the talk on these boards was that the young team was built around some incredible recruits.  Is that still the belief?  Did these players disappoint, or do they just need another year to develop? 

I expect a lot more from F&M. 

crambam, it's hard to say what the future holds.  The last-second loss at Gettysburg sent the Dips into a spiral from which they never recovered.  In some games, the offensive philosophy seemed to be "feed it to McNally and stand around and see what happens."  There was no guard production—zero points—from the starting backcourt in the most important game of the season on Saturday.  The level of guard play is really far removed from what Ursinus has now, and not close to what the Dips have historically had over the years.

Maybe Reserved Seat or someone else can add more on what happened to the Dips, because that was quite a collapse.  As for me, I'm excited about the possibility of two CC teams going dancing next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 27, 2008, 09:14:11 AM
2/27 play-in pick

McDaniel: Devils looked good against Dips (but who didn't the last third of the season) however the Terrors at home should play better & survive until the semis.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2008, 05:19:51 PM

Folks -

2/27 Pick -

McDaniel: Although they have not played as well down the stretch, they appear to have more depth and more scoring options than the Red Devils two main weapons Grell and Leczinsky. They also have the advantage of the home crowd and atmosphere which are usually key in the playoffs.

Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 27, 2008, 05:33:14 PM
2/27 pick:

McDaniel

Hard to pick against Grell and Leszczynski, but Curley's troops should make their first playoff appearance in 13 years a memorable one in front of the home crowd at Gill.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2008, 05:42:17 PM
Almost forgot.

McDaniel-at home

F&M definitely didn't get the guard play I expected.   The guards didn't create any plays.  Chasen took charge in the Tip-off tournament, but after that he seemed to disappear.
The three-point shooting was inconsistent.  Rhyner had some great days; but often if he missed his first attempt, his shot seemed off the rest of the game.
McNally was a consistent option, but he was still learning how to shot over bigger men that he faced on a regular basis, probably unlike high school.  He should improve next year with a year of experience under his belt.  Baker showed a nice touch on his jumper.  Unfortunately, he seemed to get out of sync with the pushing underneath.  With a little more size, he should do well next.  Selig seems to have improved drastically since his freshman year.  He consistent hustles and picks up the pace for the whole team when he's in the game.
Finally, F&M's defense gave up too many easy shots.  Other teams lite up the court with three point shooting.  In the one point loss to Gettysburg, F&M gave up an incredible amount of fast break points and back door plays.  It's hard too believe they only lost by one point.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 27, 2008, 06:59:23 PM
The Academic Honor roll for the Conference has been posted:
click here: http://www.centennial.org/AHR/Winter_08.pdf

Each and everyone of these Gentelmen show that playing on a team and putting forth all the effort, practice, travel,and game time, has not taken away from the goals that they have set for themself's. Congradulations to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 27, 2008, 07:13:39 PM
Just jumped on McDaniel's live stats and saw Dickinson is up by 12 points.

Did not think that would happen that early
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 27, 2008, 07:47:06 PM
Dickinson is up 15 at the half..

Dickinson 18 - 32 from the floor 56.3%, 6 - 9 3 point shots 66.7% and 3 - 3 from the foul line.

McDaniel 9-29 from the floor 31%, 2 -7 - 3point shots 28.6%, 10-12 from the foul line.

McDaniel better start showing home court shooting advantage or watch the next round from bleachers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2008, 10:00:37 PM

Folks -

McDaniel's site indicates final score as Dickinson 89 - McDaniel 80. Looks like all of us except for Leo were wrong on this one. What an inauspicious start! Let's hope we do better in the next round

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 28, 2008, 11:40:28 AM
All CC Team announced today:

First Team

G-Dan Capkin, Gettysburg * (A) ...........................................Jr
G-John Noonan, Ursinus.........................................................Jr
G-Corey Dorsey, Gettysburg..................................................Jr
F-Nick Shattuck, Ursinus + ................................................... Sr
F-Ian McCormick, Swarthmore # ......................................... Sr

Second Team

G-Doug Polster, Johns Hopkins (A) ..................................... Sr
G-Kizmahr Grell, Dickinson # ...............................................Jr
F-Chris Prior, McDaniel ........................................................ Sr
F-Andrew Powers, Gettysburg .............................................. Fr
F-Tom Leszczynski, Dickinson %.........................................Jr

Honorable Mention

G-Chaz Thomas, Haverford # ................................................Jr
G-Matt Hilton, Ursinus ..........................................................So
G-Remy Cousart, Ursinus......................................................So
G-Tim Kohlrus, Washington ..................................................Jr
F-Joe Spierenburg, Gettysburg (A)........................................Jr


+ 1st team All-Centennial in 2006 and 2007
* 1st team All-Centennial in 2007
# 2nd team All-Centennial in 2007
% Honorable Mention All-Centennial in 2007
(A) Named to 2008 Conference Academic Honor Roll


Player of the Year – Nick Shattuck, Ursinus, Sr., F
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 28, 2008, 11:56:57 AM
Well done McNickels !!!!!!!!!!!

You selected 14 out of 15 players for ALL CC  Honors. A few players moved up or down from your selection which can debated by all of us.

However, Tim Kohlrus/Washington was selected, and not James McNally/F&M as the only blemish on McNickels picks. I believe McNally deserved HM mention, but I think the F&M team freefall may have affected his consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 28, 2008, 12:37:58 PM
Looking at the Regional Rankings.

It looks to me like the only team that could pass Gettysburg is Widener with a victory over Lycoming & a Gburg loss to JHU. There would seem to be a strong chance of the CC getting two NCAA bids looking at the rankings now. Could the CC get NESCAC-like NCAA consideration by getting three bids? This  would  require the longshot outcome of JHU or Dickinson winning the CC tournmant. Somehow I doubt that the CC would actually be allowed three teams. I don't think an opportunity like this for the CC will come around again anytime soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2008, 04:17:44 PM
Leo, congrats on another POY from Collegeville.  It could be Noonan next year, then Hilton or Cousart, then some Philly-area high schooler yet to enroll at Ursinus, then...

Just four seniors out of 15 players.  Combine that with the dramatic improvement in non-conference play this year (39-25) over last year (24-43), and the future looks bright for the CC -- on paper, at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2008, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: Suetonius on February 28, 2008, 12:37:58 PM
Looking at the Regional Rankings.

It looks to me like the only team that could pass Gettysburg is Widener with a victory over Lycoming & a Gburg loss to JHU. There would seem to be a strong chance of the CC getting two NCAA bids looking at the rankings now. Could the CC get NESCAC-like NCAA consideration by getting three bids? This  would  require the longshot outcome of JHU or Dickinson winning the CC tournmant. Somehow I doubt that the CC would actually be allowed three teams. I don't think an opportunity like this for the CC will come around again anytime soon.

Suetonius-

Dickinson upsetting Ursinus, then beating Gettysburg in the final would make it interesting.  Then the committee would at least have to entertain the idea of three CC teams.  Gettysburg's only two regional losses are to the top-ranked team, Ursinus.  That has to work in the Bullets' favor.

Here's how Ursinus and Gettysburg stack up on the D-III strength of schedule index:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/owp.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 28, 2008, 06:55:28 PM
A great big -- ATTA BOY -- for Leo for call the upset with the Dickinson win over McDaniel. He was the only one who made the gutsy call.

Leo 1

the rest of us 0
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 28, 2008, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2008, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: Suetonius on February 28, 2008, 12:37:58 PM
Looking at the Regional Rankings.

It looks to me like the only team that could pass Gettysburg is Widener with a victory over Lycoming & a Gburg loss to JHU. There would seem to be a strong chance of the CC getting two NCAA bids looking at the rankings now. Could the CC get NESCAC-like NCAA consideration by getting three bids? This  would  require the longshot outcome of JHU or Dickinson winning the CC tournmant. Somehow I doubt that the CC would actually be allowed three teams. I don't think an opportunity like this for the CC will come around again anytime soon.

Suetonius-

Dickinson upsetting Ursinus, then beating Gettysburg in the final would make it interesting.  Then the committee would at least have to entertain the idea of three CC teams.  Gettysburg's only two regional losses are to the top-ranked team, Ursinus.  That has to work in the Bullets' favor.

Here's how Ursinus and Gettysburg stack up on the D-III strength of schedule index:

IF Suetonius theory works out, I still think that only one of the teams, other than the Conference winner, would get in.

The in region ranking looks very good for both teams, with Gettysburg only two losses to Ursinus. The number in front of both is a different story.
Ursinus has a OWP ranking of 151, Gettysburg 91. Out of 397 schools Gettysburg sits in the upper 25% while Ursinus is in the top 38%. Ursinus has the two victories over Gettysburg. They might get the the pick.

Hard to say, but let the playoff's tell the final story.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 28, 2008, 07:16:03 PM
Play-off Pickem

Dickinson vs Ursinus
Gettysburg vs John Hopkins..

Since the final is the next day the pick-em's will have to go the above games and then you pick the final game..
as follows

Old ends Picks

Ursinus
Gettysburg

Finals
Ursinus

Good Luck to all and remember it is Leo 1 - 0 the rest of us 0 - 1

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 28, 2008, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: Leo on February 28, 2008, 11:56:57 AM
Well done McNickels !!!!!!!!!!!

You selected 14 out of 15 players for ALL CC  Honors. A few players moved up or down from your selection which can debated by all of us.



What he said..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on February 28, 2008, 09:37:59 PM
Final Pick ems:

1st Semi: Ursinus

This will be a barn burner. Dickinson has peaked at the right time and is full of confidence. However, Ursinus will overcome every "piece of the kitchen sink" that Dickinson throws at them.

2nd Semi: Hopkins

Hopkins players are seasoned from last year's playoff experience, and that will provide enough strength to overcome Gettysburg lack of playoff experience. On paper, Gettysburg should win. However, I have a great deal of respect for Hopkins' coach to draw up a game plan that will upset Gettysburg's plan to be in the final. I think Gettysburg players are thinking ahead to their match with Ursinus on Sunday. All I can say, is look what happened last year to Ursinus who was thinking about Hopkins in the final, but Haverford upset those plans. 

Final:  Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2008, 09:02:46 AM
Reserved Seat Picks

Ursinus
Gettysburg

Finals
Ursinus

Probably similar to most of us.
Leo is definitely in the driver's seat to win the play-off picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 29, 2008, 01:34:32 PM
CC playoff picks:

Semifinals:
Ursinus withstands Dickinson by about 7
Gettysburg over Hopkins in OT

Championship:
Ursinus beats Gettysburg by 10
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 29, 2008, 05:15:08 PM

My semi-final pick-ems:

Ursinus vs. Dickinson:  Ursinus. Golden Bears just have too much depth and too many weapond for Dicksinson even though the Rede Devils are on a roll.

Gettysburg vs. Johns Hopkins:   Johns Hopkins. This is the tougher of the two games to choose. However, the Blue Jays have been on a roll lately. So, I will take Coach Nelson's saavy and experience over Petrie and the Bullets.

Finals:

Ursinus vs. John Hopkins.   Ursinus. It could be a very close exciting game. But, the Bears are undefeated against Conference opponents. Blue Jays suffer a tough loss.

Good luck to everyone. Is anyone thinking of heading to Salem later next month? Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 29, 2008, 08:27:38 PM
Playoff Picks:

Gettysburg: tough call, guess

Dickinson: Major upset, not likely but am in last place with nothing to lose

Final:

Gettysburg: drats only two teams in & no tough CC decision for committee
I may be dreaming, but to pick all the favorites wouldn't be as much fun
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 01, 2008, 07:39:22 PM
to think that not matter what the outcome of the final on Sunday, Leo's one wrong pick has brought this about.
No matter who wins--Leo, Reserved Seat, r.w.mcnickels,and old ends will end up in a tie. Suetonius, could as well, and is the only one who picked Dickinson and Gettysburg. Diplomanic1 picked Hopkins with  Ursinus in the final, as did everone else but Suetonius.

So therefore it look like this
Reserved Seat==Leo==r.w.mcnickels==old ends    2  -  1
Diplomanic1== suetonius                                         1  - 2

Look for NCAA pick-ems with Centennial Conference teams plus some of the other locals..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on March 01, 2008, 08:29:35 PM
You can watch the championship game LIVE on Sunday afternoon at 2 p.m. by accessing Centennial Conference TV - or as we like to call it - CCTV.  The address is rtsp://192.204.144.13:7070/my_stream.sdp.  You will need Quick Time on your computer.  The number of viewers will be limited, so since you folks have been some of our best supporters throughout the season, I thought I'd let you in on the secret to get in early.  Your support of the Conference is greatly appreciated!  Check out our championship page at http://www.centennial.org/championships/basketball/men/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 01, 2008, 09:24:24 PM
Went to see the Ursinus/Dickinson game and saw 1st half of Gettysburg/Hopkins.

Dickinson played well as it could, but had no answer for Shattuck. It was an unbelievable display of agility, shooting and his will to carry the team on his back. Ursinus's depth was certainly a factor, but the game evolved into a simple plan - get the ball to Shattuck. At times he was double and triple teamed, but he found an open man to dish off the ball for an easy bucket.

I was extremely disappointed in Hopkins. It looked like they were tight and the ball movement on offense was not crisp, and fluid. At the beginning of the game, Gettysburg clogged up the middle very well and dared the Jays to shoot from the outside. There were no such takers on Hopkins team. Hence, the Jays found themselves down 17-2 after 6:30 mins into the game.

Give credit to Gettysburg. They were relaxed and their offensive ball movement was quick and found open shooters or cutters to the basket. I called that one wrong. I guess "Gettysburg hunger" overmatched "Jays playoff experience."

The final game should be a good one.

Actually, I am glad that nearly all of us will be tied with an identical playoff record. I found that all of us are good prognosticators. I enjoyed everyone's analysis of the games, and their team. As McNickels indicated earlier on the trend for Ursinus players being POY, look out for John Noonan next year.  :)

Kudos to Old Ends for "juicing up" the chat board in providing leadership to the pick'em games. Maybe we can all chip in and buy him a new calculator for wins, losses and wining percentages for next year   ;)



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 01, 2008, 11:28:39 PM
If you can't get into CCTV, please feel free to tune in D3hoops.com's broadcast at www.d3hoops.com/audio.

But try CCTV first since they do a good job. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2008, 11:18:38 AM
Shattuck's 46 points yesterday were a Centennial playoff record.

Ursinus stifled the Gettysburg offense in the regular season, holding the Bullets to just 35 percent from the field on December 1 and 34 percent on January 19.  Gettysburg needs Capkin and Dorsey to get going early in the game.

Should be a great atmosphere today in Helfferich Hall if history is any indication ('03 in particular was incredible).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 02, 2008, 12:09:05 PM
Quote from: Leo on March 01, 2008, 09:24:24 PM
Kudos to Old Ends for "juicing up" the chat board in providing leadership to the pick'em games. Maybe we can all chip in and buy him a new calculator for wins, losses and wining percentages for next year   ;)

My abacus still works.. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 02, 2008, 04:25:08 PM
Congrats to Ursinus for winning the Conference and getting a bid to the NCAA. Good luck as your new season begins.

Monday night I will put together a little pick-em for the NCAA's
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 02, 2008, 08:45:09 PM
Congratulations to Coach Kevin Small, in perhaps his finest coaching year at Ursinus, leading a bunch of guys to believe in each other and themselves to a perfect CC season. The Championship game was entertaining and exciting down to the wire.

Hats off to the Gettysburg players who played their hearts out. They never quit, and kept pumping in three point shots when it looked like Ursinus was about to break out.  Capkin is an unbelievable player.

However, Ursinus's depth and contributions from everyone were the keys to victory ... Shattuck making drives to the basket to keep the team in the game when down by 5 .... Shema making a key basket with a 6 foot jumper with the shot clock nearly at zero with 1 1/2 mins left ... Noonan making a 3 pointer to take the lead when it counted ... Remy running the offense and fighting for key rebounds ... Hilton making the free throws in the final seconds of the game. Kudos to Brundage for making his free throws and a couple of jump shots. Truly a team effort.

If I had a vote, Gettysburg is a deserving team for the NCAA tourney.

Let the tournament games begin.    :)



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 03, 2008, 07:18:52 AM
D3hoops projected the field of teams for the tourney:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/projected.htm

Encouraging to see Gettysburg listed which makes for 2 teams from the CC in the tournament.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2008, 01:00:36 PM
Both Ursinus AND Gettysburg will host this weekend:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/pairings.htm

Hard to believe the CC would have two teams in the dance, let alone both hosting the first two rounds.  Great year for the conference...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 03, 2008, 08:15:51 PM
Here is the NCAA pick-ems---good luck

Ursinus            vs     Baptist Bible
Va. Wesleyan  vs     WPI
Gettysburg      vs     Salem St.
Scranton          vs     Elms

Good luck to all have fun looking them up to get info..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 03, 2008, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2008, 01:00:36 PM
Both Ursinus AND Gettysburg will host this weekend:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/pairings.htm

Hard to believe the CC would have two teams in the dance, let alone both hosting the first two rounds.  Great year for the conference...

Could not agree with you more... If they have a great run will help even more...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2008, 09:06:15 PM
Here goes nothing:

Ursinus--should be a good start
Va. Wesleyan--stronger schedule
Salem St.--witch hysteria
Elms--off season for Scranton
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 03, 2008, 09:25:29 PM
Here is a stat Breakdown for UC's game
                   Ursinus                Baptist Bible
PPG                    78.7                     72.1
Opp PPG              66.0                     66.0
RPG                    37.5                     38.3
Opp RPG              32.8                     33.1
FG %                   0.505                   0.463
Opp FG %             0.390                   0.406
3P %                   0.427                   0.358
Opp 3P %             0.301                   0.317
FT %                   0.737                   0.714
Assists per game   15.7                     15.89
TO's Per Game      16.7                      19.0
T/O Margin        - 2.19                      -2.3
Blocks Per Game    3.63                     2.52
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 03, 2008, 09:31:02 PM
Here's a stat breakdown for GC's game:

                    Gettysburg               Salem St.
PPG                      73.0                     87.4
Opp PPG                67.3                     72.9
RPG                      34.2                    46.5
Opp RPG                36.8                    39.2
FG %                    0.481                  0.466
Opp FG %             0.391                  0.407
3P %                    0.344                  0.381
Opp 3P %             0.348                  0.305
FT %                    0.764                  0.671
Assists per game     16.04                   14.1
TO's Per Game         15.8                    17.2
T/O Margin            -1.92                    +2.1
Blocks Per Game      6.0                        5.4
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 03, 2008, 09:36:56 PM
I am going to do the picks for the NCAA tourney

Ursinus            vs     Baptist Bible - I really think UC gets its done for its first NCAA tournament win under Kevin Small. 

Va. Wesleyan  vs     WPI - The marlins know how to get it done when it really counts (2 straight years in the National Championship

Gettysburg       vs     Salem St. - This one is going to be close based on the numbers, could go either way

Scranton          vs     Elms - flipping a coin
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 03, 2008, 10:48:22 PM
NCAA picks

Ursinus: Bears get gorilla off back, but BBC is better than you think & game should be competitive

Virginia Wesleyan: Marlins will soar, have pedigree to go deep

Gettysburg: Will find way to get by frequent dancer at Bream

Elms: Scranton team not reminiscent of the old time Rockin' Royals under Bessoir

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2008, 11:05:31 PM
Ursinus over BBC, VWU over WPI & in the finals...VWU over the Bears by 4. At G-burg...they knock off the Witches & Scranton takes care of the Trees. In the championship...the Royals fire at will & take down G-burg by 8. They may not be Bess's Rock & Roll Royals...but, they arn't bad either. Two more wins this weekend & the Fosters will be flowing in Scranton...underestimate at will.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 04, 2008, 08:43:11 AM
NCAA Pick ems:

Ursinus (the monkey will get his banana for the win)
Virginia Wesleyan (have you seen their mascot, that is one scary Marlin)
Gettysburg (what can I say Capkin, Capkin, and more Capkin)
Scranton (the historic Steamtown museum will chug along for the win)

Welcome to the new prognosticators. We welcome your insight, anaylsis, wit and your money  :)

Rumor has it that Old Ends will offer a free trip to Salem with final's ticket to the best overall record   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 04, 2008, 05:58:47 PM
Thanks bearsfan1 for the stats--
Saratoga --FYI-- if you want me to count the finals you picked I will, but I will post another right after the games for the finals. Let me know

Old ends picks..
Ursinus-- Conference loyality
VaWesleyan--did not get to #18 for lousy play
Gettysburg--Conference loyality
Elms--won thier conference just think they may go futher than most think..

Leo-- with the cost of fuel, anymore, walking or biking would be a better choice for a free ride.

As soon as the games are over I will post the pick-em's for the next day..As long as you pick before game time it will count.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 04, 2008, 06:39:26 PM
Stats March 2nd:

Click here:  http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

After the NCAA's would like to look at next year's thoughts.. I did notice that Dickinson had three Juniors in the top 25 of scoring...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 05, 2008, 06:56:16 PM

NCAA Pick-Ems -

Ursinus - its finally time for Shattuck and company to win a few in the Big Dance.

Virginia Weslyan - lots of tourney experience. Playing good at the right time.

Salem State - Tough game to pick. Stats appear to favor Salem. Over 12 more rebounds per game for Salem. Have always been a physical program. Perhaps, too physical for the Bullets.

Elms - Another close game. I'm opting for experience in this one.

Good luck to all, Regards.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 05, 2008, 06:58:00 PM

Nice to hear from a long-time poster like Saratoga. Welcome to the fun!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2008, 10:52:58 PM
Old Ends: Those calls were my first instinct (even though somewhat biased )...so for what it's worth, I'll stick with them. Diplomaniac 1...this really is a great time...even if it ends way too soon, the ride is certainly worth every ounce of sweat these kids poured out since October. Hopefully, Scranton & F&M can hook up soon in the regular season rather than the usual scrimmage they have & occasional tournament game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2008, 11:54:16 PM
D3hoops.com will be broadcasting both of the Centennial Conference-hosted regionals. Links will be available at http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 06, 2008, 06:12:15 PM
So it looks like the pick from the website is UC getting to the elite eight.  I hope that does happen. As a loyalty pick, I have them winning it all in my bracket.  Also the Bears most likely won't have a ton a student support on Friday and Saturday (hopefully) because their Spring Break starts on Friday.  I am hoping a bunch of people stay around for Friday's game at the very least to at least make it a little harder on Baptist Bible.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 06, 2008, 10:26:22 PM
Congrats to those who won the Sportsmanship Award from the Conference:

Click here:  http://www.centennial.org/sportsmanship_team/winter_08.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 07, 2008, 11:19:15 AM
The phone company has updated the hills of Maryland, where I live and hook me up today to the 21st century. Now I can watch the POD cast and everything else D3 has. Feel like I have a new toy..with speed..
69 year old man can now look things up faster rather than wait forever.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2008, 01:07:24 PM
NCAA First Round picks:

Ursinus: Bears finally get NCAA hex off Kevin Small's back behind a balanced attack.
Virginia Wesleyan: Ton Ton's career continues for at least another game or two.

Gettysburg: Difficult matchup for Petrie's troops, but the Bullets will ride the atmosphere in Bream to a better result than the '02 puzzler vs. Lycoming.
Scranton: Get the feeling from the Landmark board that Scranton's midseason struggles are a thing of the past.  Maybe not Rockin' Royals, but good enough to win tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2008, 01:49:40 PM
Previews, live stats, broadcast information, and more on the Centennial regionals:

Ursinus:
http://www.ursinus.edu/content.asp?page=wintersports/BasketballM/0708/NCAAs/NCAAmain.htm

Gettysburg:
http://www.gettysburgsports.com/Sports/mbball/2008/080303_MBB_NCAA_Regional.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 07, 2008, 08:22:45 PM
Results for 6:00PM games
Va Wesleyan 80----WPI 75
ELMS  71-------------Scranton 53

Saratoga-- you can post another final if you wish since I did not post the 8:00pm games and you do not have to pick until game time tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 07, 2008, 10:07:41 PM
Suetonius is the gettysburg game over.. my live stats locked up
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2008, 10:20:57 PM
Centennial website reports Gettysburg 95, Salem St. 85.

In Collegeville, it was Ursinus 94, Baptist Bible 76.

A great night for the conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 07, 2008, 10:21:10 PM
Results for round one pick-em's
Suetonius             4   -  0
Bears Fan 1          4   -  0
Old ends              4   -  0
Saratoga             3   -   1
Leo                     3  -    1
Reserved Seat      3   -   1
Diplomanic1          3   -   1
r.w.mcnickels        3   -   1

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 07, 2008, 10:24:16 PM
Pick-em's for tomorrow round two

Va Wesleyan       vs     Ursinus
Elms                    vs      Gettysburg

Your picks must be in before tip-off.

Good luck
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 07, 2008, 10:26:54 PM
picks for 3/8/08 pick-em

Ursinus- Had a some what easy game against BB Wesleyan had to work against WPI plus travel
Elms= Better than you think, Gettysburg play had to hard tonight could be a factor
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 07, 2008, 11:04:29 PM
Va Wesleyan       vs     Ursinus - As long as they play like they did in the first half and Shattuck's ankle isn't hurt too bad

Elms    vs      Gettysburg  - Just going with gut.


The UC game was a tale of two halves.

First Half
They came out firing, starting off on a 12-0 run (I think). BBC had no answer for Shattuck, 4 dunks and quick penetrations for easy baskets. UC also played well defensively but I think BBC's first time in the tournament jitters might have contributed to it.

Second Half
UC got burned by back door passes and got caught up on screens through the post leading to easy baskets. It didn't help that Shattuck got fouled hard going for another dunk and hurt his ankle. This was right around the time BBC went on a big run to cut the lead to around 11. He came back into the game and played well but who knows what he will be like tomorrow.

Congrats to Nick on becoming the all time leading scorer in school and conference history.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2008, 01:04:02 AM
NCAA Round 2 picks

Virginia Wesleyan: Marlins may benefit from a possibly injured Shattuck

Gettysburg: Game should be close perhaps home team prevails

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
Wild guesses

Virginia Wesleyan
Elms
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2008, 10:41:03 AM
Looks like some incredible individual performances at the two Centennial regionals last night.  In all, five players topped the 30-point mark.

Three of those came in the Gettysburg-Salem St. barnburner:

Andrew Powers, Gettysburg (32)
Dan Capkin, Gettysburg (30)
Marquis Victor, Salem St. (30)

In Collegeville, Nick Shattuck scored 31 in the Ursinus win (and John Noonan just missed the mark with 28).  Tonton Balenga scored 31 in Virginia Wesleyan's win.

The performance by Powers has to be among the all-time best NCAA D-III tournament debuts for a freshman (32 points on 12-for-16 shooting, 13 rebounds).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2008, 10:47:25 AM
Also, congrats to Gettysburg on its first NCAA win in program history, and to Ursinus for its first since 1982.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2008, 10:50:25 AM
NCAA Second Round picks:

Ursinus
Gettysburg

Very few people thought the CC would get two teams in the dance at the start of the season, and even fewer probably thought two would host regionals.  Why stop now?  Homecourt is the difference in two razor close games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2008, 01:14:25 PM
    Agree about the 3 individual performances in the Gburg-Salem St game. Thinking that Gburg beat a better team last nite than they'll face tonite, but keys will be if Elms can defend the high screen for Powers and whether Gburg's legs will recover for full-court pressure for the 2nd time < 24 hours.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 08, 2008, 02:54:27 PM
Tourney Pick ems:

Ursinus
Gettysburg

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 08, 2008, 04:39:27 PM


Tournament Pick-Ems -

Here are a couple of "coin-flip" choices:

Ursinus vs. Virginia Weslyan:   Virginia Wesleyan

Gettysburg vs. Elms:   Elms.

Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2008, 07:40:45 PM
Halftime in Collegeville:

Virginia Wesleyan 44, Ursinus 27

Shattuck hasn't scored in 11 minutes of action.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2008, 07:43:54 PM
Halftime:

Elms 35, Gettysburg 33 in a tight one at the battlefield.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2008, 08:38:56 PM
Final in Collegeville:

Ursinus 70, Virginia Wesleyan 64

Bears advance to the Sweet 16.

Huge comeback led by Shema and the supporting cast.  Leo and bearsfan, let us know how it was -- it sounded incredible on the broadcast (great job Gordon).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2008, 08:48:01 PM
Dorsey at the buzzer!!!!

Gettysburg comes back to win 66-65 after being down double digits, just as Ursinus was.

What a night for the Centennial.  Two teams in the Sweet 16 is simply incredible.  Thanks to Pat and Gordon for broadcasting these regionals.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 08, 2008, 09:12:28 PM
The Ursinus game was incredible.  VWC showed why they have been one the best teams in the country over the last years during the first half.  They shut down Shattuck as he got into early foul trouble. The Marlins simply outplayed the Bears in every facet. I know I am a "little" biased but I thought the referees made some horrible calls and no calls against the Bears. I mean I have never seen a player (Shattuck) get tripped twice and be called for a walk on both occasions. In the second half, the roles totally reversed and it all started with Shema. He got the game reasonably close with some excellent post play on the offensive and the team defense completely came alive.  The crowd got into it and the outcome became familiar (Bears win).  The atmosphere was great even without a student body on campus. Some other observations. Shattuck had trouble tonight because of his ankle, he was not getting the elevation he usually does when he was in the post and came up short on many shots. So it looks like a Centennial Conference Sweet 16 game.  Can't wait!  Does UMass-Dartmouth host the next round?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 08, 2008, 09:13:40 PM
I am just wondering if the crowd coming alive in the last 10 minutes could be felt on the broadcast because I think it really did contribute to the comeback.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2008, 10:19:46 PM
Sweet 16 games:

Coast Guard vs. Rochester
Gettysburg vs. Ursinus

Ursinus probably has a decent chance of hosting the sectional because of its record and location among the four teams, but I guess we'll find out tomorrow.  Bearsfan, I heard the Ursinus crowd loud and clear on the broadcast.  It sounded like a hostile gym in the second half even without the usual "Hooligans."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 08, 2008, 11:23:53 PM
R.W:

Thanks for the kind words and glad we could be there.  It's a great time of year.

We won't know for certain until tomorrow, but I'd guess Ursinus hosts Gettysburg, Rochester and Coast Guard on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 08, 2008, 11:30:23 PM
Results for pick-em

r.w.mcnickels          2  -  0               5  -  1
Leo                       2  -  0               5  -  1
Suetonius               1  -  1               5  -  1
Bears Fan1             1  -  1               5  -  1
old ends                 1  -  1               5  -  1
Diplomanic1            0  -  2               3  -  3
Reserved Seat        0  -  2               3  -  3

Since both of our conference teams keep going so shall this.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 08, 2008, 11:38:34 PM
March 14th pick-em

Gettysburg          vs      Ursinus
Rochester            vs      Coast Guard

It is sad that the brackets worked out that our Conference teams play each other and one of them will get knocked off, but at least that means one of them goes to the elite 8.

Good luck to all teams..have the picks in before tip off.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2008, 11:49:18 AM
Congratulations to both Ursinus & Gettysburg not only on their wins...but, in the dramatic fashion they were accomplished. As old ends stated...too bad they both meet in the 1st. round game but, any way you look at it, they've both had great seasons & hopefully one will continue on to the Final Four. Best of luck to both schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 09, 2008, 12:31:48 PM
This weeks game is the fourth time that Ursinus and Gettysburg meet this season.  Can Ursinus beat Gettysburg four times?  Is that going to be a difficult challenge for Ursinus or is Ursinus just in the Gettysburg players' heads and GC has no chance?  Just a question from someone outside the conference I haven't seen either play.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 12:34:28 PM
Ursinus is hosting, look for the ## next to the other hosts:

http://www.ncaa.com/uploadedFiles/Sports/Basketball_(M)/BR-08D3MBB.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 09, 2008, 02:00:57 PM
As hugenerd stated, Ursinus is hosting next Friday and Saturday. Should make someone a home town favorite..

here are stats for Rochester and Coast Guard:

Rochester: http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/MBasketball/Stats/2008/teamcume.htm
Coast Guard; http://www.uscgasports.com/statistics/stats_bskm.htm

Enjoy looking them over..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 09, 2008, 05:08:54 PM
My picks

Gettysburg          vs      Ursinus - Hope court advantage wins but 4 wins against any team is a tough challenge

Rochester            vs      Coast Guard - Cinderella stops here
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2008, 09:00:31 PM
Great weekend for the Centennial Conference.

Next round picks
Ursinus
Rochester

I looks like I missed a great game at Gettysburg.  My friend(a graduate of Gettysburg) and I were going to go to the game at the last minute, but figured we wouldn't get seats.  Where were the fans?  Where was the community?  The gym looked empty.  It was more crowded for a regular season game.  I regret not going.  Three three-pointers in the last minute, that's some incredible pressure shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2008, 12:10:31 AM
    Attendance surprised me also. Fri nite < 500; didn't expect anybody from Massachusetts, but Scranton had no students either, only players' families, yet there were 1200 at the Scranton women's regional that nite.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 10, 2008, 08:20:06 PM
Here's some information on the Ursinus sectional.  Includes accommodation, dining, directions, and team info:

http://www.ursinus.edu/content.asp?page=wintersports/BasketballM/0708/NCAAs/Sectional/NCAAsec.htm

Should be a great weekend for all involved and the conference as a whole.  Safe travels to those venturing to Helfferich for an exciting weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 10, 2008, 08:25:22 PM
Play-off Pick-em's for 3/14

Ursinus-- They just may make it to the final four
Coast Gaurd--They have won some tough games before this will be another one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 10, 2008, 09:19:46 PM
3/14 Sectional Picks

Gettysburg: All logic says Bears take Hat Trick + 1. But if Shattuck is slightly impaired, Powers may be able to lead underdogs around & over Shema to the Elite 8. Tough to beat an excellent team four times.

Rochester: Yellowjackets sink the Coast Guard & Swarm toward the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Buckeye on March 12, 2008, 11:09:13 AM
I'm assuming that the attendance at Gettysburg was lower than expected for the first two rounds because the students were on break...?  I would certainly expect a strong showing at Ursinus from the Gettysburg faithful this week.  Should be fun and I agree that it's tough to beat any team 4 times in a season.  Ursinus probably should win, but you never know... either way it's great for the Conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 01:46:53 PM
You may have already done this, but in case you haven't, I encourage you all to register to win the Salem prize package.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/


• Hotel accommodations for Thursday, Friday and Saturday in one of the Roanoke Valley's fine hotels, convenient to Roanoke Regional Airport and Valley View Mall, the largest shopping destination in Southwest Virginia.

• Two tickets to the Friday and Saturday sessions at the Salem Civic Center.

• Two tickets to the Thursday evening team banquet, including talks by all four coaches, a player from each team, the introduction of the starting lineup and the ever-popular highlight video.

• Two VIP hospitality passes, giving you sideline access before the game and access to the hospitality room.

• $400 toward your travel cost to get you to and around the Roanoke Valley.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 13, 2008, 01:05:21 PM
Pick'ems:

Ursinus

Coast Guard - Rochester has a better lineup, but Coast Guard has won a couple of tough games as Old Ends indicated, so I go with Coast Guard for a mild upset.

Heh Pat Coleman:  is the Salem prize package mailed to me, or do I have to pick them up at the Call Window   :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 13, 2008, 01:41:02 PM
NCAA Sweet 16 picks:

Ursinus in OT
Rochester by 5

Gettysburg-Ursinus IV could be one for the ages, but in the end, homecourt will be the difference.

Neer's troops withstand everything Coast Guard throws at them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 13, 2008, 01:46:32 PM
Around the Nation contains an article on Gettysburg and a clip of Dorsey's buzzer beater:

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/

I wonder how many hearts stopped when Elms hit the halfcourt shot after time expired.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 13, 2008, 01:46:32 PM
I wonder how many hearts stopped when Elms hit the halfcourt shot after time expired.

Good question. It was clear to me that it was no good but not sure how many others.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 13, 2008, 08:05:48 PM
It seems that  the Centennial Conference is on Spring break. attendence could be low and home court fans may not be as big of a factor as thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 13, 2008, 10:10:58 PM
Ursinus's Spring break started last weekend and I thought both games had a decent attendence.  From talk I am hearing, there seems to be a bunch of students going back to school early and alumni coming for the game.  There was also a rumor floating around that Gettysburg would be busing fans in but I am not sure if that will be the case if they are on break too
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 14, 2008, 10:47:49 AM

Sweet Sixteen Pick-Ems -

Urinsus over Gettysburg.

Rochester over Coast Guard.

It could be really loud at Ursinus if Gettysburg does bus fans in. I saw that happen a number of years ago in a Centennial Conference title game and they practically took over Mayser Center and made it their own!

Good luck. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 14, 2008, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 14, 2008, 10:47:49 AM

It could be really loud at Ursinus if Gettysburg does bus fans in. I saw that happen a number of years ago in a Centennial Conference title game and they practically took over Mayser Center and made it their own!


Eric,

That was quite an atmosphere -- good memories for Gettysburg fans I'm sure.  I think you could still smell the aroma of kool-aid in Mayser the following season. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 14, 2008, 06:37:23 PM
Rochester up by 1 at the half.
Rochester 26
Coast Guard 25
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 14, 2008, 07:15:28 PM
Coast Guard 51
Rochester 40  4 min left

Upset brewing???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 14, 2008, 07:31:41 PM
Coast Guard wins the game now awaits the winner of Ursinus- Gettysburg game

Coast Guard 57    Rochester 48
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 14, 2008, 09:09:23 PM
Gettysburg better get hot.. Ursinus up by 17 11:35 to go
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 14, 2008, 09:36:58 PM
Results for 3/14/08 pick-em

Leo                2  -  0                 7  -  1
Old Ends         2  -  0                 7  -  1
r.w.mcnickels  1  -  1                 6  -   2
bearsfan1       1  -  1                 6  -  2
Suetonius        0  -  2                5  -  3
diplomanic1     1  -  1                4  -  4
Reserved Seat 1 -  1                 4  -  4   

as Ursinus wins 79 - 55 over Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 14, 2008, 09:38:51 PM
Pick-em's for 3/15/08

Ursinus  vs  Coast Guard

get the pick in before tip-off tomorrow
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 14, 2008, 09:39:31 PM
pick for 3/15/08

Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 15, 2008, 12:25:30 AM
Ursinus  vs  Coast Guard - Home crowd is factor

I looked at the box score from the UC-GC game and it said the attendence was 2000.  Boy it seemed like more.  For the five years I have been going to games, nothing has ever come close to the amount of people that were there tonight.  The stands were completely full and every wing of the gym had people crammed into it. Absolutely great atmosphere.  It was truly amazing. Also, for the second straight game, one of the biggest reasons for a Bears win was the inside play of Shema. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 15, 2008, 08:34:06 AM
Ursinus plays like a team of destiny. Shattuck at 50% no problem, everybody else plays out of their skin. Shema currently playing at a level I hadn't imagined he would. On the other hand Coast Guard just keeps winning on the road against teams nobody expects them to beat.

E8 pick

Coast Guard: Cinderella has no right to be in the game, Ursinus at home on a roll & don't seem to need Shattuck. It makes no sense so I'll pick the longshot anyway. I'll make a safer pick "Bears Win!"
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 15, 2008, 09:31:39 AM
3/15 Pick'em:

Ursinus

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 15, 2008, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: bearsfan1 on March 15, 2008, 12:25:30 AM
Ursinus  vs  Coast Guard - Home crowd is factor

I looked at the box score from the UC-GC game and it said the attendence was 2000.  Boy it seemed like more.  For the five years I have been going to games, nothing has ever come close to the amount of people that were there tonight.  The stands were completely full and every wing of the gym had people crammed into it. Absolutely great atmosphere.  It was truly amazing. Also, for the second straight game, one of the biggest reasons for a Bears win was the inside play of Shema. Go Bears!
Nothing against the home crowd factor, but I am not sure this will be a big deal. Remember, Coast Guard has played two of the three games in this tournament on the road (the third being last night's "neutral" game). And those games have had very hostile crowds, Trinity (CT) (see this (http://www.d3hoops.com/images/2008/trincoll6thman.jpg)) and Mass-Dartmouth. And then, don't forget they had to play at WPI in the NEWMAC championships the week before the NCAA Tournament. In fact, in the 13 game winning streak that CGA is on right now, 8 of those games were on the road - including the last five.

Here is what I wrote on the "Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/03/14/all-aboard-for-the-16-sweet#comment-5156)" this morning:
As for tonight’s game, I would have to give the advantage to Ursinus… but I bet many have given the edge to Trinty (CT), Mass-Dartmouth, and Rochester in the last two weeks. But, Ursinus has better players inside who can shoot from many points on the floor. They have great guards in Cousart Page and even McGarvey. And don’t forget Hilton who was score-less in the first half and then got at least 12 points in the second half on big shot after big shot.

That all being said, Coast Guard has already beaten their fair share of big men with some incrediable efforts from Prebeck, C. Johnson, and Blum. And don’t forget Hudson who is small, but can out jump nearly everyone on the floor. Several times last night he just seemed to keep rising and rising when going for rebounds our out-shooting taller defenders.

I am really looking forward to tonight’s game. The NEWMAC looks to have their first final four team since 1987 (Clark)… and the Centennial could have their first participant at Championship Weekend since 2000 (Franklin & Marshall).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 15, 2008, 12:34:24 PM
NCAA Elite Eight pick:

Ursinus

I'm probably safer going with Suetonius and saying "Bears."

Coast Guard is playing like a team on a mission, winning several games away from home in hostile environments.  CGA's aggressive defense and disciplined offense will make for a true Elite Eight barnburner, but the incredible run ends there.  With the emergence of Shema and the sharpshooting of Noonan and Hilton (not to mention the 2,000+ that will pack Helfferich Hall), Ursinus will navigate the waters better than Coast Guard tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 15, 2008, 01:52:45 PM


NCAA Elite Eight Pick-Em:

Ursinus.

Good luck. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 15, 2008, 01:59:11 PM

Bearsfan1 -

Not to argue. But I seem to remember a packed house at Ursinus the last time F&M and Ursinus played for the Conference Championship (circa 2004). There had to be 2,000 at that game as well as there were fans standing in the corners near the player benches.

I think it was Luciano's senior year. The Bears also had another big man whose name I don't remember. It may have even been an overtime game. It was a tense, loud, hot, humid (and great atmosphere) even though your Bears beat my Dips that day!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 15, 2008, 04:49:02 PM
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 15, 2008, 07:33:31 PM
At the half
Coast guard 38 
Ursinus 37

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 15, 2008, 07:37:04 PM
CGA's Grant Johnson appears to be unconscious, hitting 7-of-10 beyond the arc for 21 first-half points.   Noonan with 13 and Shema with 11 for Ursinus.

Sounds like Coast Guard brought a good contingent of fans to Collegeville.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 15, 2008, 08:30:09 PM
this game is giving me a a nervouss condition...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 15, 2008, 08:36:58 PM
overtime-this is driving me to drink again----------
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 15, 2008, 08:56:36 PM
Ursinus wins

Ursinus 82
Coast Guard 76

Now on to salem against Amherst
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 15, 2008, 08:56:47 PM
Congrats to Ursinus.  A Philly area team going to the final four.  Way to go Bears make the Philly area proud in Salem!!!  Beat Amherst!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 15, 2008, 09:05:05 PM
Results of 3/15/08 pick-ems

Overall

Leo                  8  - 1
Old Ends          8 - 1
r.w.mcnickels   7  -2
Bearsfan1        7 - 2
Suetonius        5 - 4
Diplomanic1     5 - 4
Reserved Seat 5 - 4

Correction made  thanks rw

What a game............

Will keep pick-ems going right to the end since Ursinus is keeping the Centennial in it. This is great for the Conference and all teams that they faced in the conference..

Good luck to the Ursinus team at Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 16, 2008, 09:32:35 AM
Final 4 pick-ems

Washington U   vs  Hope
Ursinus              vs Amherst

Good luck to all the teams that have gotten to this point.

Must be in by tip off
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2008, 10:52:00 AM
Congrats to Ursinus on making it to Salem! 

Strange to think that just a few weeks ago, the question was whether the Bears could win a game in NCAAs and get that monkey off their backs.

Quote from: old ends on March 15, 2008, 08:36:58 PM
overtime-this is driving me to drink again----------

old ends, it was keeping me on the edge of my seat also -- and I'm not even an Ursinus fan, just rooting for the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2008, 10:54:52 AM
Bearsfan, Leo -- are you guys making the trip to Salem?  I hope Ursinus has a decent contingent going.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 16, 2008, 12:09:28 PM
Congratulations to Ursinus...looks like its been a true team effort with different people stepping up in clutch situations. All the best in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 16, 2008, 01:54:57 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 15, 2008, 01:59:11 PM

Bearsfan1 -

Not to argue. But I seem to remember a packed house at Ursinus the last time F&M and Ursinus played for the Conference Championship (circa 2004). There had to be 2,000 at that game as well as there were fans standing in the corners near the player benches.

I think it was Luciano's senior year. The Bears also had another big man whose name I don't remember. It may have even been an overtime game. It was a tense, loud, hot, humid (and great atmosphere) even though your Bears beat my Dips that day!

Eric



That was a year before I got to UC and with it being the first year of UC hosting a championship, I can imagine it was packed and loud.  I think the other big man you were talking about was Steve Erfle.

Last night was another incredible atmosphere.  Stands (student section at least) was pretty full a full half hour before the game. Great support.  Whoever said it before the game, Coast Guard was definitely not intimidated by a loud crowd and their fans made their presence known.  Players from Ursinus stepped when needed. Shema and Noonan in the first half.  Shattuck in the beginning of the second half and Cousart with the big FT's at the end.  So awesome.  I am so proud of the players and Coach Small.

I will not be making the trip to Salem because I just started a new job and there is no way I could ever get to the Friday game. 6+ hours is just too far for me for Saturday. I would like to be there but I'll be cheering from home.  Are any of the games on TV?

My Picks
Washington U  vs  Hope - Blind pick for the #1 team in the country
Ursinus             vs Amherst - Going with my heart
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 17, 2008, 10:00:51 AM
Final 4 picks

Amherst: defending champ, 1st time they were in FF they were 4th, look at them now.
Wash U: a guess in what should be two well matched teams

In another thought. I think the CC has shown they are an excellent league & I believe it is the strongest in the region top to bottom in spite of not generally getting much respect. In addition if all players come back the CC could be clearly better next year. I am sure Ursinus will be tough every year, they seem to get most of the top recruits these days, but I would think Gettysburg should be the definite favorite for the CC. Almost all the teams are young & many have no key (or any) seniors graduating this year. The tough cauldron that got UC & GC ready for their tourney runs wil prepare next years team(s) even better for a Final Four trek. My thoughts anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:28:29 PM
Feature on the front page of interest to Final Four participants and fans here.

Faces of a champion (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/index.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 17, 2008, 05:35:27 PM
This is an article in the Ct. newspaper about the Coast Guard team.
click here; http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?re=d35f2a22-1987-4dfa-84b0-8593601fafc6

Which is nicer than the local Philadelphia paper about Ursinus.
Click Here: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080316_Ursinus_reaches_Division_III_Final_Four.html

Will get some team stats for your review.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 17, 2008, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: old ends on March 17, 2008, 05:35:27 PM

Which is nicer than the local Philadelphia paper about Ursinus.
Click Here: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080316_Ursinus_reaches_Division_III_Final_Four.html


This does bring up a good point.  I understand the Philadelphia Inquirer is a big paper that has to cover a lot and they have many Division 1 teams to report on but how about a little love for a local team that is on the verge of a possible National Championship in a  major sport.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 17, 2008, 05:46:22 PM
Here is Washington U--: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/teamcume.htm


Here is Hope: http://www.miaa.org/mbb/stats/0708/hopem.htm

And here is Amherst; http://www.amherst.edu/~sports/current/m-bball/teamcume.htm

Enjoy


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 18, 2008, 09:32:35 AM
Composure and Resilient.

These two words come to my mind when I think of the Ursinus season and the Sectional game against Coast Guard. Helfferich gym was rock in, and Coast Guard fans were in force and made themselves heard throughout the game.

The last 3 mins of the game and throughout overtime, everyone was standing. Ursinus had several surges in the game, but Coast Guard came back. Grant Johnson was shooting lights out in the first half for Coast Guard. Kinda reminded me of Dennis Stanton against F&M on 2/7/04 when he scored 55 pts. Fortunately, Coach Small made half-time adjustments and the team shut him down in the 2nd half.

When Coast Guard went ahead by 2 with 30+ secs left, the team did not panic. Certainly Remy Cousart was the hero that night, sinking 2 free throws with 17 secs left, and then making 2 critical baskets in overtime. Shema, Noooooonan, Hilton, and everyone else played well to support Shattuck. Team play gets you through the tough times. 

Now it is on to Salem and against the defending champs Amherst. D3hoops.com website has a poll on who will win. With 139 fans voting, Ursinus has a 10.8% chance of winning. Amherst and Hope are the prohibitive favorites to meet in the championship game.

In my opinion, the game against Amherst will be a classic duel between Amherst's front court players (in the paint style) versus Ursinus's back court players (shooting and driving style). I look forward to the game and see who imposes their style of game on the other. Obviously, Shema will be the key. The game against Coast Guard was a godsend to the team because Coast Guard played so physical. It showed that Ursinus can play against a physical team, and Shema did well. Amherst's basketball website has some good stats in its release about both teams  (https://cms.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/winter/basketball-m/articles/2007_08/0317_final_four)

I think the other factor is what I have read and heard (on audio) from D3hoops.com about Salem Civic Arena where the sight lines can be somewhat difficult for shooters.

Travelling  1 ½ hours to Ursinus is my max from South Jersey. I may consider going to Salem if McNickels is a good divorce lawyer and can represent me (Pro Bono).  ;)
Old Ends, great work on the articles and postings for us to read. You are the "CNN correspondent" for DIVIII basketball  :)

Go Ursinus Go.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: Leo on March 18, 2008, 09:32:35 AM

In my opinion, the game against Amherst will be a classic duel between Amherst's front court players (in the paint style) versus Ursinus's back court players (shooting and driving style). I look forward to the game and see who imposes their style of game on the other. Obviously, Shema will be the key. The game against Coast Guard was a godsend to the team because Coast Guard played so physical. It showed that Ursinus can play against a physical team, and Shema did well. Amherst's basketball website has some good stats in its release about both teams  (https://cms.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/winter/basketball-m/articles/2007_08/0317_final_four)

Go Ursinus Go.

the jeff bigs are pretty versatile...post or perimeter play they do both well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 18, 2008, 11:36:08 AM

For another perspective about Amherst, go to the Northeast Region and select NESCAC MBB. The postings about the upcoming game with Ursinus (from Amherst fans and non-fans) is interesting reading. I appreciate fpc85's posting here to dispel any notion that Amherst's front court are only big men with no perimeter game. However, if one looks at Amherst's loss to Bowdoin College in their tournament and Bowdoin's roster of "small" players, one has to wonder how Amherst lost such a game. Granted, shooting only 45% to 57% for Bowdoin is the factor, but one would think why Amherst didn't kill Bowdoin with an inside game. Any perspective from the Jeff fans ?



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 18, 2008, 12:14:55 PM
Amherst seems to have at least five perimeter scoring threats.  I remember when the Jeffs beat F&M in the 2004 Elite Eight, it seemed like most players in Hixon's lineup were capable of the deep shot. 

That said I think it's dangerous to underestimate Ursinus -- one poster on the NESCAC board says Amherst should win "with ease."  The Bears have proven they can beat NESCAC teams this year, and although Amherst is a step above Middlebury and Trinity, I think Small will have his team ready on Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 18, 2008, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: Leo on March 18, 2008, 09:32:35 AM
Travelling  1 ½ hours to Ursinus is my max from South Jersey. I may consider going to Salem if McNickels is a good divorce lawyer and can represent me (Pro Bono).  ;)

I think you should roll the dice, Leo.  It's worth it just to see the atmosphere in Salem, and especially if your team wins.  Maybe the Ursinus athletic department can chip in to help with your legal fees...   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: La Verdad on March 18, 2008, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: Leo on March 18, 2008, 11:36:08 AM
Granted, shooting only 45% to 57% for Bowdoin is the factor, but one would think why Amherst didn't kill Bowdoin with an inside game. Any perspective from the Jeff fans ?

Bowdoin was pretty creative on defense that night, but for the most part they just packed it in with a 2-3 zone, making it difficult for the amherst bigs to get decent looks.  That, coupled with a poor shooting night (the 4 senior starters were combined 11-35), ultimately led to the loss.  If ya'll are looking at the stats trying to get a handle on Amherst's team, you should consider this game an outlier.

You'll have to forgive the posters on the nescac board who seem to be taking Ursinus lightly, I assure you Coach Hixon and his squad will do no such thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: La Verdad on March 18, 2008, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: Leo on March 18, 2008, 09:32:35 AM

In my opinion, the game against Amherst will be a classic duel between Amherst's front court players (in the paint style) versus Ursinus's back court players (shooting and driving style). I look forward to the game and see who imposes their style of game on the other. Obviously, Shema will be the key. The game against Coast Guard was a godsend to the team because Coast Guard played so physical. It showed that Ursinus can play against a physical team, and Shema did well. Amherst's basketball website has some good stats in its release about both teams  (https://cms.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/winter/basketball-m/articles/2007_08/0317_final_four)

Go Ursinus Go.

the jeff bigs are pretty versatile...post or perimeter play the do both well.

FPC is right, with the exception of Hopkins and Holsey, all the Amherst bigs have game that extends out to and beyond the perimeter. 

Anyone want to fill me in on Ursinus?  It would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 05:27:41 PM
Quote from: Leo on March 18, 2008, 11:36:08 AM

For another perspective about Amherst, go to the Northeast Region and select NESCAC MBB. The postings about the upcoming game with Ursinus (from Amherst fans and non-fans) is interesting reading. I appreciate fpc85's posting here to dispel any notion that Amherst's front court are only big men with no perimeter game. However, if one looks at Amherst's loss to Bowdoin College in their tournament and Bowdoin's roster of "small" players, one has to wonder how Amherst lost such a game. Granted, shooting only 45% to 57% for Bowdoin is the factor, but one would think why Amherst didn't kill Bowdoin with an inside game. Any perspective from the Jeff fans ?




the bowdoin game is a classic upset...one team playing very well and the other playing below average...it happens and it may have been the best thing for the jeffs.

the question i have is how ursinus lost to williams?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 05:31:44 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 18, 2008, 12:14:55 PM
Amherst seems to have at least five perimeter scoring threats.  I remember when the Jeffs beat F&M in the 2004 Elite Eight, it seemed like most players in Hixon's lineup were capable of the deep shot. 

That said I think it's dangerous to underestimate Ursinus -- one poster on the NESCAC board says Amherst should win "with ease."  The Bears have proven they can beat NESCAC teams this year, and although Amherst is a step above Middlebury and Trinity, I think Small will have his team ready on Friday night.

i don't think the jeffs will underestimate a final four team...this is where they have played for all year. if they lose it won't be because they looked past ursinus but b/c ursinus was better that day.

ursinus has a special place in my heart b/c one of my former players played there a few years ago (naquan williams).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 18, 2008, 06:36:40 PM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 05:27:41 PM
the question i have is how ursinus lost to williams?

Well fpc85, the game against Williams was so early in the schedule and Coach Small's team tend to play early games as if they are exhibition games. Unlike Amherst losing in the tournament at the end of the season where one should be peaking, I would be more concerned about an end of season loss to an inferior team than an early season contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 18, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
Picks for the Final four Semi

Washington U
Ursinus

Just a Centennial boy (69yrs old) cheering for the home conference team. All of the teams that have gotten to this point deserve a ton of credit to the coaches and players and fans. Mostly to the parents who have given more than some fans know. Coaches for inspiring and giving the knowledge of the game. Players who practiced who played and did it some more to get to this point. To the fans who cheer for the team, who show up for the bad and good years, and kept their college at heart even after becoming Alumni..

TO the D3 posters who keep the good banter going. Even asking questions, because( speaking personally) we are not all experts.

Good luck to all teams who made it to  Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 18, 2008, 07:01:51 PM
Leo, if you're an Ursinus fan or have never been to the D3 finals, you should attend.  I've attended all 4 of F&M's Final Four adventures.  My wife was very understanding for the last three.  I wasn't married for the first one, but I was dating my future wife.  She knew what she was getting into.  F&M's best chance to win was in '79, but they got overwhelmed in the first half of the first game.  However,  from then on in that game and the consolation game they played excellent ball.
PICKS
Amherst-they were there last year and use to the atmosphere(but it would be great of Ursinus would
                         win--it would earn some respect for Centennial--even though the play of Ursinus and 
                         Gettysburg this year has already helped}
Hope-always has a solid team
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: Leo on March 18, 2008, 06:36:40 PM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 05:27:41 PM
the question i have is how ursinus lost to williams?

Well fpc85, the game against Williams was so early in the schedule and Coach Small's team tend to play early games as if they are exhibition games. Unlike Amherst losing in the tournament at the end of the season where one should be peaking, I would be more concerned about an end of season loss to an inferior team than an early season contest.
lol...no concerns on my part...sometimes a loss like that will wake up a team...just as talk from an upcoming opponent may provide more motivation to play well.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 18, 2008, 09:39:46 PM
Reserved Seat. Although I couldn't go to Rock Island in '79 I did listen to the game on the radio. I recall the Dips having a modest lead on the legendary North Park squad but blew all or most of it in the last 2-3 minutes of the 1st half, including some unusual lapses by the great Donny Marsh. The Dips held there own against All-Americans Modzel Greer (was in NBA) & 7 footer Harper (also played in NBA) but got killed by a 6'8" reserve named French & Vikes steadily pulled out to a 9-10 point win. I hope my memory is fairly accurate, it made quite an impression.
Perhaps the Dips best chance came in '91 in Springfield, OH when I made my only FF trip thus far. After upsetting a favored NJAC team by 50+ in the Semis they Dip starters battled Bo Ryan's UWP team to a near standstill (?tied at the half), but their second team was as good as their 1st unit & the Dips rarely went to more than 7 players. F&M kept fighting back to stay in game in the second half & lost by 7.
Although I didn't see it in person the Dips lost 2 last second heartbreakers in '00 in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 18, 2008, 11:37:52 PM
Reserved Seat, I appreciate your words of support. I am a Ursinus fan, not because of graduation, but because a family member attended the school and was recognized as a 1st team all Centennial player. At the age of 54, I deeply enjoy watching the "kids" learn and grow, and see them experience "the good and the bad times" that will become lasting memories for life after basketball. Coach Small is a phenominal person who relates so well with these kids and transcends his knowledge of the game to the kids. 

This year's team is really something special and I am sure you can say the same about the great F&M teams. Getting to the final four is something special.

My plan for Friday is to rent the movie "Hoosiers", watch it around noontime ... have my pregame meal afterwards  ;D  ... and then watch the videostream at 5:00 pm.  As for now, I am practicing my impersonation of Dennis Hooper (from Hoosiers) jumping on the bed yelling "we won, we won, we won"  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 12:53:02 AM
Don't forget to listen to the pregame show starting at 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 19, 2008, 11:19:49 AM
Pick'ems:

Ursinus
Hope

Ursinus and Amherst played 3 common opponents - Williams, Middlebury and Trinity (Ct.). I am discounting Ursinus's game against Williams because it was their 1st game of the season, and frankly, not a good indicator of where they stand.

However, Amherst and Ursinus beat both Middlebury and Trinity. Looking at the stats (fg%, opp. fg%, 3 pointers, rebounds, and TO), no significant differences were noted. I predict that Friday's game will be a barn burner, maybe even overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 19, 2008, 01:52:40 PM
Four Centennial players named to the D3hoops.com all-region team:

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/08/matlmen.htm

The CC also swept the individual awards:

Player of the Year:  Nick Shattuck, Ursinus
Rookie of the Year:  Andrew Powers, Gettysburg
Coach of the Year:  Kevin Small, Ursinus

Congrats to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 19, 2008, 05:14:39 PM
I know it is a little after the fact, but NCAA wrote a better article on Ursinus's game against Coast Guard then the local Philadelphia paper.

Click here; http://www.ncaa.com/basketball-mens/article.aspx?id=140804

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 05:17:47 PM
That's Ursinus' press release, also found here:

D3hoops.com Scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Mar/15/Ursinus-vs.-Coast+Guard/kba4ho2p62t2s7s3/25694)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 19, 2008, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 05:17:47 PM
That's Ursinus' press release, also found here:

D3hoops.com Scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Mar/15/Ursinus-vs.-Coast+Guard/kba4ho2p62t2s7s3/25694)



thanks, I must learn to look there first... It is the local press that really dropped the ball for a home town team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 20, 2008, 10:20:50 AM
here are some more nice articles about Ursinus

click here: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080320_Ursinus_Shema_tells_tale_of_basketball_perseverance_as_team_heads_to_Division_III_Final_Four.html

and here: http://www.pottsmerc.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily;jsessionid=2LLVHvfQRSf41Q5tX0q3vyskSJ0JvxpCwq2W9NMmh2sQyB2HlTcf!1656221429?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=%2FPTM%2FSports&r21.content=%2FPTM%2FSports%2FTopStoryList_Story_1767104

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 20, 2008, 11:23:24 AM

Old Ends -

Re: your 3/18 post. Excellent well said thoughts! Amen!

Over the years, I have seen many F&M players' parents travel 3 or 4 hours each way to attend games on a weeknight.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 20, 2008, 11:40:31 AM

Reserved Seat -

Re: your 3/18 post. You are absolutely correct there is nothing quite like seeing a final four in person. There is no other atmosphere like it! It is also a really neat opportunity to interact with the families, firneds, and fans of the other teams. Outstanding sportmanship abounds throughout the area's arena, restaurants, and hotels.

I also attended 3 of the 4 Final Fours that the Diplomats played in. I missed Rock Island in '79 as I was a poor student. I made trips to Springfield and twice to Salem. The Dips were clearly the underestimated underdogs in Springfield and won over the fans from Wittenberg, whose pep band played for F&M in both games. F&M did have some real chances to win that game. But, they probably weren't deep enough.

With Jeremiah Henry sick during their first trip to Salem, my feeling was that they were never really in the games against Hope and Illinois Wesleyan. The Championship game between Hope and Rowan featured on of the best individual performances I ever saw. One of Hope's guards, Joel Holstege, shot the lights out and finished with 47 points. He put his team on his back almost single-handedly carried his team to a win over Rowan! A side note, Illinois Wesleyan won the Championship the following year. I think they beat Alvernia in the final game.

For my money, the F&M vs. Calvin semifinal game was once of the best games I ever saw. Nip and tuck and back and forth throughout. A close game that either team could have won on the final shot! Just an amazing tense atmosphere.

As a Centennial Conference fan, I hope Ursinus shows well. I wish the bears good luck.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 20, 2008, 11:57:39 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 20, 2008, 11:40:31 AM

As a Centennial Conference fan, I hope Ursinus shows well. I wish the bears good luck.


Trust me Diplomaniac1, the Bears will represent us very well. Their game against Coast Guard was very physical, and that experience will go a long way. I am sure Amherst's loss to Bowdoin left a sour taste in their mouth, so they too will be focused. Which means, it will be a hell of a game  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 20, 2008, 05:35:50 PM
Quote from: old ends on March 20, 2008, 10:20:50 AM
here are some more nice articles about Ursinus

click here: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080320_Ursinus_Shema_tells_tale_of_basketball_perseverance_as_team_heads_to_Division_III_Final_Four.html

It's good to see coverage of Shema -- what a great story.  I didn't know his parents were from Rwanda.  It seems like his career is peaking at the perfect time.

Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 20, 2008, 11:40:31 AM
For my money, the F&M vs. Calvin semifinal game was once of the best games I ever saw. Nip and tuck and back and forth throughout. A close game that either team could have won on the final shot! Just an amazing tense atmosphere.

Eric-

I agree, it was one of the best I've ever seen.  Cinderella vs. goliath, with goliath winning at the buzzer.  I have permanent scar tissue from that game.  Wish I could have attended the '79 and '91 Final Fours that you guys have been talking about, but I enjoyed reading your stories.

Whatever happens this weekend, I know the Bears will represent the conference well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 21, 2008, 01:24:17 PM
NCAA Semifinal picks:

Amherst
Washington

I hope I'm wrong on the first one.  Ursinus has the weapons to win, but Amherst has Olson and Final Four experience.  If Hilton and Noonan shoot the lights out, and Shema plays the game of his career, Ursinus can win -- I just think that's asking too much against Amherst's experience and talent, especially with Shattuck limping around.

Wash U. wins the second game and sends the Dew Crew back to Michigan disappointed.

Enjoyed reading the front page article on Ursinus and Shema today.  Good luck to the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bearsfan1 on March 21, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
Crossing all my fingers

GO BEARS!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 21, 2008, 03:13:39 PM

NCAA Semi-Final Picks:

Ursinus vs. Amherst:   Amherst.

Hope vs. Washington:  Hope.

Good luck to Ursinus. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 21, 2008, 04:52:57 PM
All hooked up and ready to hopefully watch and listen to the game.

3 of us have picked The Centennial champ Ursinus and 4 have not.
3 of us picked the Washington  Bears and 4 have not.

Good luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 21, 2008, 05:46:44 PM
Was hoping for a closer score at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 21, 2008, 06:47:36 PM
What a great run for Ursinus. Amherst was the better team today.

Amherst 84 Ursinus 58
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 21, 2008, 07:52:01 PM
http://www.pottsmerc.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=%2FPTM%2FSports&r21.content=%2FPTM%2FSports%2FHeadlineList_Story_1774678

and this one: http://www.delcotimes.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=%2FDCT%2FSports&r21.content=%2FDCT%2FSports%2FHeadlineList_Story_1775008

just a few articles I found enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 21, 2008, 08:56:59 PM
Final Finals Pick-em

Ursinus vs Hope
Amherst vs Washington

You have till tip off to get you final picks in..

Enjoy.. I Have..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 21, 2008, 09:03:10 PM
It looks like it is coming down to the final final.

Suetonius             2  -  0
r.w.mcnickels        2  -  0
Reserved Seat      1  -  1
Diplomanic1          1  -  1
Old Ends             1  -  1
Leo                     0  -  2
Bears Fan1           0  -  2

Overall

r.w.mcnickels         9  -  2
old ends                9  -  2
Leo                       8  -  3
Suetonius              7  -  4
Bearsfan1              7  -  4
Reserved Seat       6  -  5
Diplomanic1           6  -  5


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 21, 2008, 09:05:10 PM
Congrats to Ursinus on a memorable season, and for bringing another Final Four banner to the Centennial.

It's hard to regroup for a consolation game after getting knocked out.  Sort of like playing a spring training game a few hours after losing the World Series.  

Good luck vs. Hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 22, 2008, 08:18:23 AM
Final picks

Hope: Ursinus will likely have trouble with getting up for this after the ending of their streak in the semis

Wash U: Perhaps a team of destiny this year, although either could win
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 22, 2008, 10:29:51 AM
NCAA Third Place:
Hope

NCAA Championship:
Amherst

Watched part of the Amherst-Ursinus game on video, and the Jeffs look as talented as any D-III team I've seen.  Washington is on a roll, but Amherst has the big guys to contain Ruths.

Hope beats Ursinus in the dreaded consolation game.  D-III should do away with this game -- it gives the fans another game to watch, but the teams don't want to be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Leo on March 22, 2008, 11:35:30 AM
Pick'ems:

Ursinus Ursinus and Ursinus  :) :) :) :)

Amherst
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 22, 2008, 12:31:47 PM

Pick-Ems -

Third Place Game
Ursinus vs. Hope:   Ursinus

Championship Game
Washington vs. Amherst:   Amherst

A great run by Ursinus - Gongrats to the Bears. The injury to Shattuck certainly had to hurt them! However, even with a healthy Shattuck I am not sure that they could have beaten Amherst yesterday. Thanks to Ursinus for representing the Centennial Conference so well. Getting to the Final Four is a real accomplishment to be proud of.

How about those DI upsets yesterday?!? Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 22, 2008, 02:21:34 PM
Final picks
HOPE
AMHERST
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 22, 2008, 03:49:15 PM
Well nothing for nothing here goes:

Ursinus--- got to pull for the conference team
Amherst-- they did beat Ursinus after all.

tip  off start soon
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 22, 2008, 09:49:21 PM
Suetonius picked a perfect 4 games in a row so she gets the MVP of the Pick-em

r.w.mcnickels won the overall pick-em

Congrats to the above for the insite into the game..

Overall finish                                           

r.w.mcnickels              10  -  3
suetonius                     9  -  4
old ends                      9  -  4
Leo                             8  -  5
Reserved Seat              7  -  6
Diplomanic1                  6  -  7
Bearsfan1                     7  -  4

See ya next year for pick-em's, but will continue to post stories as I see them for all to read....

Had a blast
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: old ends on March 19, 2008, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 05:17:47 PM
That's Ursinus' press release, also found here:

D3hoops.com Scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Mar/15/Ursinus-vs.-Coast+Guard/kba4ho2p62t2s7s3/25694)
thanks, I must learn to look there first... It is the local press that really dropped the ball for a home town team.
Yes!  +1  :)

What we D3 fans need to do is to make these sites "the" primary site for D3sports, so it can carry long-term economic viability!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 22, 2008, 10:04:27 PM
Hot off the presses.

Click here (http://www.pottsmerc.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily;jsessionid=2Sg6HlrWSyTS4SzrdKJ7BXWnDXtQ65mnJJ4GLmFNF1tnRB2dGjj1!-234095148?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=%2FPTM%2FSports&r21.content=%2FPTM%2FSports%2FTopStoryList_Story_1778738)

I am sure there will be a lot more tomorrow, but check D3hoops first.


Edited for formatting -- Thanks for the link.  Ralph Turner
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 23, 2008, 12:12:08 PM
To the F & M people on the post.. Enjoy a story about fellow Alumni and Basketball player...

http://www.mcall.com/sports/all-jones.6326241mar23,0,6295843.column
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 23, 2008, 12:19:08 PM
Local papers and others slant on the Ursinus loss in the consolation game.

Click here.   (http://www.pottsmerc.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily;jsessionid=rG0XHmYRNmhfCrJQv27fD3J1dd4TG6gQB3Ls3W2nKLnp1sW0Jm6J!1656221429?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=%2FPTM%2FSports&r21.content=%2FPTM%2FSports%2FTopStoryList_Story_1781901)

And here. (http://www.mlive.com/sports/grpress/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1206246305287530.xml&coll=6)

And here. (http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/032308/localsports_20080323039.shtml)

enjoy articles


Edited for formatting -- Thanks for the links.  Ralph Turner
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 23, 2008, 08:38:29 PM
Congrats to Nick Shattuck, of Ursinus,  for being 2nd team All-American.

go to http://www.d3hoops.com/ for the entire list.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 23, 2008, 08:53:54 PM
Ursinus college's basketball pages write up

Click Here:  http://www.ursinus.edu/content.asp?page=wintersports/BasketballM/0708/322Hope.htm (ftp://http://www.ursinus.edu/content.asp?page=wintersports/BasketballM/0708/322Hope.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 23, 2008, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: old ends on March 23, 2008, 12:12:08 PM
To the F & M people on the post.. Enjoy a story about fellow Alumni and Basketball player...

http://www.mcall.com/sports/all-jones.6326241mar23,0,6295843.column

Good story on Jerome Maiatico.  Strange to see Gordie Jones' byline at the Morning Call -- he covered F&M hoops for many years at the Intelligencer Journal.  Given the detail he includes on the 2000 Final Four, it looks like Jones still has some dusty old notes from his days covering F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: La Verdad on March 24, 2008, 08:24:33 AM
Congrats to Ursinus on a great season.  Shattuck was far from full strength, but you have to respect a kid that can barely walk going out and playing 38
minutes.  It would have been nice to see them play Amherst with a healthy team; that score would certainly have been much, much closer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 24, 2008, 04:21:01 PM
The final stats are in:

Click Here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/Men/2008stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 24, 2008, 05:14:53 PM
Congrats to Ursinus on a great season! It was too bad Shattuck was unable to play at his very best on the weekend, but the team shouldn't hang their heads. They made an incrediable run and deserved to be there.

I also want to say how much I enjoyed meeting and chatting with the McGarveys and the Shattucks at Hotel Roanoke. Nice to see family and fans making the trip to Salem/Roanoke!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 25, 2008, 02:50:09 PM
The final Top 25 poll has Ursinus at No. 7.  It's unfortunate that Shattuck wasn't healthy in Salem -- it looks like the voters realized that by keeping the Bears solidly in the Top 10 despite their Final Four showing.

Gettysburg just misses the Top 25, eight points behind Chicago.  I thought the Bullets would end up with a ranking around No. 20 because they went 24-1 against teams not named Ursinus.  With no major losses to graduation, they should get a decent amount of consideration in the preseason poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 25, 2008, 07:27:28 PM
The Lancaster paper had an article about the local college basketball teams.. you must scroll down to find the info about F & M, but all but one are back for next year.. looking good..

Click here: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/218629
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ac08 on March 27, 2008, 08:40:28 PM
to echo previous sentiments..
Congrats to Ursinus on a great year. Speaking as an Amherstian, let me say that trips to Salem (regardless of the outcome), motivate current players and pull in fresh, young talent..the benefits you will gain from this experience will far outweigh this past weekends results...I all but guarantee it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on April 05, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
Even though is was noted before, the llocal paper had a nice article about Nick Shattuck and Alverina's Terrence Shawell

Click here: shortened link (http://www.pottsmerc.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.content=/PTM/_RSSFeed/Sports/TopStoryList_Story_1837677&r21.pgpath=/PTM/Sports)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on July 15, 2008, 04:15:04 PM
Hope summer is treating everyone well.  Here's  an article (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2008/07/11/sports/asports071108.txt) about McDaniel's recruits that was recently posted on the CC site.  Any recruiting news from other schools?

Also noticed that F&M has a new athletics site, and the basketball page (http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/index) is much improved.  The Dips have also posted their schedule -- very early compared to most years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on August 11, 2008, 08:14:13 PM
Thanks for the info RW.. Did you notice the changes in the Centennial Conference pages.. Nice I thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on September 02, 2008, 07:04:59 PM
Well highlights and past games can be seen on You Tube:

Click here: http://www.youtube.com/centennialconference (http://www.youtube.com/centennialconference)

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on September 05, 2008, 07:13:34 AM
F&M Hoops Class of 2012: http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/news/2008-09_Recruits
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on September 22, 2008, 11:30:29 AM
It is hard to beleive that two months from now the conference teams start play. I have been thinking how to run the Pick-ems. I'll start with the non-conference games just to get us warmed up, and call that the first half. The second half will be the conference games. Looking forward to the start of play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 01, 2008, 04:19:05 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

Greetings! Welcome back! It won't be too long before practices start and the games begin - just under two months. Some of us long-time fans can hardly wait!

I was just on the F&M Men's Basketball Page and notice that the revised rsoter is now posted. It contains some changes from the roster originally posted in early September when the freshman recruiting class was announced. Here is a link to the page:

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/roster

Some notable highlights - no seniors and nine freshman (three more than initially listed). I thought that Scovill would be a Senior this year. Does anyone know if he received an extra year of eligibility and under what provision? Several underclassmen who played a fair amount of minutes last year apparently did not return. These include: Ryner, Sullivan, Stone, and Rodd. In my opnion, the biggest loss of those is Rhyner.

Does anyone have any thoughts or insights on either the roster or the non-returnees? Here are my thoughs. I suspect that Rhyner was in GRob's doghouse. He could score but wasn't consistent and often got lost on defense. It seemed like he was too fragile for GRob's coaching style. Sullivan never seemd to get the hang of running the offense and also had defensive shortcomings - another fragile personality.

Regards to all. Let the games begin!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 01, 2008, 04:22:09 PM

r. w. -

I meant to post this earlier. Thanks for posting the link to the new athletics page. I had not noticed it yet but I also like the new style and format of it.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 05, 2008, 03:10:11 PM
Seems that  few of the schools are keeping the freshman names from us, by only posting last years returning players.

Nov 21 starts the first set of games for the Conference teams, pickems start a few days before that. Some of the games will start on the 22nd of Nov.

It will be here before you know it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 08, 2008, 08:53:10 PM
Here is the Conference schedule only. This does not include pre-season games:
Click here: http://www.centennial.org/Schedules/2007-10/PDF/M-Hoops.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/Schedules/2007-10/PDF/M-Hoops.pdf)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 19, 2008, 04:34:03 PM
Pick-em for 11/21

it is early but just so you have a chance to look things over. Will repost the week before

November 21
PSU Harrisburg at Franklin & Marshall
Elizabethtown at Gettysburg
Oglethorpe at Haverford
Moravian at Johns Hopkins
Penn State York at McDaniel
Hunter at Muhlenberg
Swarthmore vs. Vassar
St. Lawrence vs. Ursinus

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 20, 2008, 09:06:14 PM
New three point line!!!!

click here: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=39151 (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=39151)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 21, 2008, 08:29:33 PM
McDaniel is ready for tonight:
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2008/10/21/sports/fsports102108.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2008/10/21/sports/fsports102108.txt)


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 23, 2008, 10:08:04 PM
Nice article on D3 hoops

Gettysburg, Ursinus Earn High Marks in Preseason Men's Basketball Polls
(October 23) - It's been a long time since a pair of Centennial men's basketball teams have received this kind of preseason attention ... but it's been a long time since two teams had a season like Gettysburg and Ursinus did last season. The Bullets are ranked sixth by The Sporting News, while the Bears are pegged at No. 4 by DIII News. Both are top 15 picks by D3hoops.com with Gettysburg coming in at No. 11 and Ursinus at No. 12.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 30, 2008, 08:42:10 PM
John Hopkins will be representing the Centennial Conference at an ECAC Holiday Festival in Orlando, FL

Click below  for more info:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=39939 (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=39939)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on October 31, 2008, 01:30:30 PM
I am very anxious to see how the Centennial is this year.  I could see possibly 4-6 teams here challenging one another for the top spot, with Gettysburg being the top right now.  I may be wrong, but excited for the upcoming Centennial season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 31, 2008, 03:49:58 PM
D3Basketball,

I would agree.  The league would seem to be very well balanced with Gettysburg the early favorite.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 02, 2008, 11:36:56 AM
Both Gettysburg and Ursinus are in the top preseason 25.

Could be a good year for the conference as a whole.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on November 04, 2008, 01:22:56 PM
Kevin Breslin from Washington College and St. Maria Goretti will be a newcomer to watch this year for the Centennial.  He is a player that Washington could really start to build that Shoreman basketball program back to where they should be.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 05, 2008, 10:09:41 PM
I guess I'll get the ball bouncing.  No bias here. :)

November 21
Franklin & Marshall
Gettysburg
Haverford
Johns Hopkins
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Swarthmore
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 06, 2008, 05:26:37 PM
I love it when a guy goes conference... I'll do the same Picks for 11/21

F & M
Gettysburg
Haverford
Hopkins
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Swathmore
Ursinus

There are games the very next day but I am going to skip that day because some are tourny games and we will not have enough time to work it. No real conference games to speak of that day.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on November 07, 2008, 08:55:19 AM
Congrats to Capkin on his D3hoops honorable mention selection.  The east coast as a whole is not represented well at all here.  What's the deal?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on November 07, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
Posted Today: http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/news/Season_Preview (http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/news/Season_Preview)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2008, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: D3Basketball on November 07, 2008, 08:55:19 AM
Congrats to Capkin on his D3hoops honorable mention selection.  The east coast as a whole is not represented well at all here.  What's the deal?

Well at all on the message board or on the preseason All-American team?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 09, 2008, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: D3Basketball on November 07, 2008, 08:55:19 AM
Congrats to Capkin on his D3hoops honorable mention selection.  The east coast as a whole is not represented well at all here.  What's the deal?

For those who did not know Dan Capkin is a senior gaurd at Gettysburg.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 12, 2008, 12:06:18 AM
11/21 Picks

F & M
GBurg
Haverford
JHU
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Vassar
Ursinus

CC will be brutally tough this year. Gettysburg is the clear & deserved favorite. Many teams back with lots of talent & returning, lots of big men. Could be rough on teams like SWAT & Sho'man who may have an uphill challenge. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 12, 2008, 08:38:43 PM
True, I think it could be the team that stays heathly and avoids major injuries could win this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on November 13, 2008, 05:13:53 PM
After looking at F & M's roster, boy are they young this season, 9 of the 16 are Freshman with only one Senior. Coach Rob's got some work to do.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 13, 2008, 09:57:27 PM
BTE,
The F & M coach always pulls his team together. Last year some of the key players got hurt and the younger players came thru. Always a tough team
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 13, 2008, 10:31:33 PM
You made me go back and look at last years stats. Their are a lot of very good returning players. Here is a recap of those returning players stats.

SCORING
## Player-Team               Cl  G   FG  3FG   FT  Pts Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------
  3.Dan Capkin-GC............ JR 29  195   75  104  569  19.6
4.Tom Leszczynski-DC....... JR 26  160   17   92  429  16.5
5.Corey Dorsey-GC.......... JR 29  155   62   94  466  16.1
6.Tim Kohlrus-WC........... JR 25  128   16  123  395  15.8
7.Chaz Thomas-HAV.......... JR 24  147   43   42  379  15.8
8.Kizmahr Grell-DC......... JR 27  125   55  119  424  15.7


REBOUNDING
## Player-Team               Cl  G  OFF  DEF  TOT Avg/G
-------------------------------------------------------
1.Tom Leszczynski-DC....... JR 26   71  206  277  10.7
   4.Andrew Powers-GC......... FR 29   49  181  230   7.9
5.Joe Spierenburg-GC....... JR 29   51  165  216   7.4
6.Chad Arrington-MCD....... JR 18   51   76  127   7.1
7.James McNally-F&M........ FR 24   50  118  168   7.0

ASSISTS
## Player-Team               Cl  G Assists  Avg/G
-------------------------------------------------
1.Remy Cousart-UC.......... SO 33     153   4.64
2.Matt Kurman-SWAT......... SR 25      91   3.64
3.Scott Hampton-WC......... SO 25      84   3.36
  5.Greg Rosnick-HAV......... JR 21      68   3.24
6.Matt Allen-SWAT.......... SO 25      75   3.00

3-POINT FG PCT (Min. 1.0 made per game)
## Player-Team               Cl  G   3FG   FGA   Pct
----------------------------------------------------
1.Matt Hilton-UC........... SO 33    67   143  .469
2.Mitch Rhyner-F&M......... SO 21    40    86  .465
3.John Noonan-UC........... JR 33    81   183  .443
4.Matt Allen-SWAT.......... SO 25    44   100  .440

MINUTES PLAYED
## Player-Team               Cl  G Minutes  Avg/G
-------------------------------------------------
1.Tim Kohlrus-WC........... JR 25     901  36.04
  3.Dan Capkin-GC............ JR 29    1005  34.66
4.Kizmahr Grell-DC......... JR 27     935  34.63
  6.Chaz Thomas-HAV.......... JR 24     813  33.88
7.Cory Kenny-DC............ JR 27     903  33.44

A lot of young players at the top

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 14, 2008, 07:53:57 PM
Nice article about Ursinus
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/20081114_Ursinus_men_s_team_recalls_memorable_trip_to_Brazil.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/20081114_Ursinus_men_s_team_recalls_memorable_trip_to_Brazil.html)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on November 16, 2008, 10:14:01 AM
Sunday News Hoops Preview (Men's and women's): http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/230208 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/230208)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 17, 2008, 07:22:26 PM
Reading an article about Dickinson and one thing that stuck out key players lost----None

here is the rest
Dickinson College Red Devils

Head coach: Dennis Csensits (seventh year, 48-103).

Assistant coaches: Paul Burke; Mark Linebaugh.

Conference: Centennial Conference.

Last year's record: 14-13 overall; 9-9 Centennial.

Key players lost: None.

Key players returning: Tom Leszczynski, (Sr. C; 16.5 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 28 blocks); Kizmarh Grell (Sr., G; 15.7 ppg, 2.8 rpg); Mike Geosits (Sr., G; 9.7 rpg, 5.6 rpg, 32 steals); Cory Kenny (Jr., F.; 10.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 52 assists); Tim Crouch (Sr., F/C; 7.2 ppg, 6.1 rpg).

Season opener: Nov. 21, at Pizza Hut Tip Off Tournament, TBA.

Season Outlook: The Red Devils finished 14-13 overall and 9-9 in the Centennial Conference last year, making a dramatic improvement from the 2006-07 season, when they finished 7-17 (5-13 Centennial). Dickinson hasn't lost any of its starters from a year ago, so look for the Red Devils to make a run at the top-tier teams. Dickinson will get its scoring from Leszczynski, Grell, Geosits and Kenny — all four players averaged double-digit scoring a year ago.

Roster

No. Name Pos. Year

0 Tim Crouch F/C Sr.

1 Trevor Kenny F So.

3 Chris Harrington G So.

4 Kizmahr Grell G Sr.

5 Michael Maxwell G Jr.

10 James Spicer G Sr.

11 Mike Grant G Jr.

12 Eric Rahauser G Sr.

15 Greg Smart F/C Jr.

21 Mike Geosits G Sr.

25 Matt Dolan G/F So.

32 Jamaal Benjamin F/C Sr.

35 Pat Kearns G So.

40 Cory Kenny F Jr.

41 John Dumas F So.

42 Tom Leszczynski C Sr.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 18, 2008, 02:55:04 PM
Gettysburg is the preseason favorite to win the Centennial Conference men's basketball title in 2009.  The Bullets were an unanimous choice among Conference coaches and Sports Information Directors, earning the top spot with 162 points and 18 first-place votes (voters not permitted to vote for their own team).  Defending champion Ursinus garnered the second spot on the poll with 137 points, while Dickinson followed closely behind with 126 points to take the third spot.   

1. Gettysburg (18), 162
2. Ursinus (2), 137
3. Dickinson, 126
4. Johns Hopkins, 107
5. Franklin & Marshall, 82
6. McDaniel, 79
7. Muhlenberg, 75
8. Haverford, 67
9. Washington, 34
10. Swarthmore, 29
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 18, 2008, 05:53:54 PM
I agree that Gettysburg should be ranked #1.  I don't understand why Dickinson doesn't get more love.  They have a potential powerhouse returning and, in my mind should be ranked #2.  Ursinus has a good nucleus returning, however, the void left by the graduation of Nick Shattuck and Michael Shema will be hard to fill and certainly not with freshmen.  Why is Ursinus ranked ahead of Dickinson?  Coaching?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 19, 2008, 11:18:25 AM


Fellow Dip Fans -

Greetings once again. It is certainly great that the season is finally ready to begin. Here is a link to the article in tthis morning's Lancaster Intelligencer Journal. Enjoy.

//http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/230361

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on November 20, 2008, 10:27:58 AM
i'm hoping haverford can have a good season this year after underachieving last year...lost about 5 or 6 games with less than 5 point margins (or overtime games). go fords!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCbball#1 on November 20, 2008, 11:42:58 AM
To respond to the post by Gabriel Dickinson should definitely be a strong team this year in conference but they haven't done anything as a team yet. They were all there last year as juniors and could not make a deep run into the playoffs. I think having them ranked 3rd is appropriate for the beginning of the season. Also, you need to look at what Ursinus has done lately. People have been saying the last couple of years that this is the year Ursinus will not be as good because of who they lost the year before. However at the very least they find a way to reload and make it to the 2-3 game in the playoffs. Overall this should be a very exciting year in the conference with so much talent from top to bottom in the league. Watch out for Muhlenberg and Haverford because they certainly have the pieces to be able to compete on a nightly basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 20, 2008, 03:21:16 PM
Nice article about Gettysburg's Coach Petrie

http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11021904 (http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11021904)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 20, 2008, 03:23:10 PM
Also an article about Muhlenberg Basketball

[url][http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-s-bkm-moravian.6677800nov20,0,453108.story?track=rss/url]

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 20, 2008, 03:25:58 PM
Philadelphia Inquirer has an article about Ursinus Basketball, gee the football team gets skipped over by this paper--oh wait they did not play for a NCAA final lately :D

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20081119_Ursinus__leadership_torch_passed_to_Noonan.html (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20081119_Ursinus__leadership_torch_passed_to_Noonan.html)



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 20, 2008, 06:33:57 PM

MY 11/21 PICK-EM PICKS:

PSU-Harrisburg @ F&M           -   F&M
Etown @ G-burg                     -   Gburg
Oglethorpe @ Haverford         -   Oglethorpe
Moravian @ Johns Hopkins     -   Hopkins
PSU-York@McDaniel                -   McDaniel
Hunter @ Muhlenburg             -   Muhlenburg
Swarthmore @ Vassar            -   Vassar
Saint Lawrnece @ Ursinus      -   Ursinus

Mostly Centennial Conference picks. However, there will probably be a couple of surprises somewhere on the first night! I picked the Fords alot last year only to get a loss. So, they must show me something first.

Gee, its good to be back! Good luck to all!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 20, 2008, 08:32:38 PM
My picks
F&M
Gburg
Oglethorpe
Hopkins
Muhlenberg
Vassar
Ursinus
Should be an interesting season as there seems to be as many as 8 teams fighting for the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on November 20, 2008, 08:55:00 PM
i pick all centennial except swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipsetdynasty on November 21, 2008, 02:27:31 PM
My Picks:
Dickinson
F&M
Gettysburg
Haverford
Johns Hopkins
McDaniel
Hunter
Vassar
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 21, 2008, 03:24:17 PM
11/21 picks:

Dickinson
F&M
Gettysburg
Oglethorpe
Johns Hopkins
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Vassar
Ursinus

Old ends - glad to see you've signed a contract extension to run the picks again. This should be one of the strongest years the CC has ever had, especially in the middle of the pack.  No team can go into a game thinking "easy W" this year.  It's so good to see the conference where it is now compared to a few years ago.

Eric, I agree with you on the Fords...they burned me a few times last year, but they've got a good returning core.  And I'm looking forward to seeing how the Bullets hold up with the bull's-eye on their backs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 21, 2008, 05:01:58 PM
Just in time for the opening tip, the 2008-09 Centennial Conference Men's Basketball Yearbook is available as a PDF.  The 78-page Yearbook has schedules, stats, rosters, records on all 10 Centennial Conference teams and much more. Haverford's Chaz Thomas is featured on the cover.  http://www.centennial.org/basketball/guide/men/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 22, 2008, 06:45:50 AM
here are the game scores
November 21
#11 Gettysburg 71, Elizabethtown 56
#12 Ursinus 82, St. Lawrence 76
Dickinson 69, Grove City 65
Franklin & Marshall 73, PSU Harrisburg 52
Oglethorpe 69, Haverford 67
Johns Hopkins 86, Moravian 61
McDaniel 100, PSU York 55
Muhlenberg 77, Hunter 59
Vassar 67, Swarthmore 57

Will post results next
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 22, 2008, 07:01:47 AM
Well so far it look's like some people know their basketball.
I made a mistake an did not put the Dickinson game on the picks. For those who put it on you got a W.

Results
r.w. mcnickels      9  -  0
Diplomatic1          8  -  0
Brce4                   8  -  0
D.B.Cooper          7  -  1
neball                  7  -  1
Dipsetdynasty     7  -  2
Reserved Seat    6  -  2
Old ends              6  -  2

Not picks for tonight because it is to close. Will pick it monday so look back
any errors just let me know and I will correct.. After all it is for the grand prize of the winner sending everyone else 1/2 of 1% of a penny. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 22, 2008, 07:31:10 AM
Some Saturday morning articles to read.

Swarthmore http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2008/11/21/sports/doc49263b39da789134199234.txt (http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2008/11/21/sports/doc49263b39da789134199234.txt)

Gettysburg http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11031672 (http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11031672)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 22, 2008, 07:52:50 AM
The new basketball guide gave me the schedule for the year.
SO here are the picks for 11/25/08

Dickinson  @ Juniata
Catholic  @  Haverford
Hopkins  @  Frostburg State
McDaniel  @  St Mary's
Swarthmore  @  Arcadia
Drew   @   Ursinus
Muhlenberg  @  TCNJ
Stevenson  @  Washington
Lebanon Valley  @  F & M
York  @  Gettysburg

Have them in by Monday Night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 22, 2008, 08:34:35 AM
Based on our picks(Old Ends/Reserved Seat), shouldn't we get credit for the Dickinson game, since it's obvious we were picking Centennial across the board?
F&M looked ragged last night, but they should do better than last year.  Currently, they seem to only go 7 deep, but there seems to be some potential on the bench.  The new point guard appears to be the real thing.  He often found the open man for an easy play and appears to have a well-rounded game.  McNally started off were he ended last year, and Selig was all over the court.  Looks like there could be more joy in Mudville(Lancaster) this year.
F&M plays Mary Washington tonight.  Mary Washington had decent height, but seemed flustered by Arcadia's aggressive defense.  MW could never pull away.  Arcadia would get the score close but then MW would get a couple easy baskets.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 22, 2008, 06:37:17 PM
When they get down to playing conference games I will be more carefull.. This is just a warm up to get everyone on board. so therefore---naaa
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 22, 2008, 06:43:36 PM
Dickinson won their tourny
http://www.dickinson.edu/sports/statistics/mbk/mbkgames0809/ph008euc.htm#GAME.BOX (http://www.dickinson.edu/sports/statistics/mbk/mbkgames0809/ph008euc.htm#GAME.BOX)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 22, 2008, 11:40:16 PM
Another good night for the Conference

November 22
#11 Gettysburg 58, Geneseo 56
#12 Ursinus 85, Williams 82
Dickinson 83,     Eastern 54
F&M 79,            Mary Washington 55
Haverford 63,    Vassar 58
Whitworth 70,   Johns Hopkins 60
Muhlenberg 70, Marymount 49
Oglethorpe 93,  Swarthmore 70
Washington and Lee 76, Washington 74
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipsetdynasty on November 23, 2008, 12:12:22 AM
My Picks...

Dickinson 
Catholic 
Hopkins 
St Mary's
Arcadia
Ursinus
Muhlenberg 
Stevenson
F & M
Gettysburg

Have them in by Monday Night.
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 23, 2008, 08:22:47 AM
Tuesday's picks
Dickinson
Catholic
Hopkins
St. Mary's
Arcadia
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Washington
F&M
Gettysburg
Good luck to all CC teams

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on November 23, 2008, 09:04:03 AM
Some Sunday reading from Lancaster: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/230588 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/230588)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 23, 2008, 10:48:25 AM
Gettysburg wins tourny article below

http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11052608 (http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11052608)

Ursinus wins
http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=1139 (http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=1139)


Muhlenberg also wins
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/fall08/1122page2.html (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/fall08/1122page2.html)


enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 23, 2008, 11:04:00 AM
Picks for 11/25/08

Dickinson
Haverford
Hopkins
McDaniel
Swarthmore
Ursinus
TCNJ
Washington
F & M
Gettysburg

good luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 23, 2008, 04:48:13 PM
11/25 picks

Dickinson
CUA
JHU
St. Mary's
Arcadia
Ursinus
TCNJ
WC
F&M
G-burg

I saw the Dips beat one of the pre-season CAC favorites (MWU) yesterday. F&M has what would normally be a promising young squad, but will be lucky to play to their pre-season poll spot of 5th. They play a frenetic style & turn it over way too much. Milligan looks like a great rookie. The conference is just way too experienced & strong. The best that can be hoped for is 14 total wins & .500 in the CC itself. I'll have to see them win road games against good teams to believe it (UC, GC, DC, JHU, McD, MC & HC should all hold serve at home vs the young Dips). Now next year if they progress they could challenge the top tier of teams again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on November 24, 2008, 12:00:09 AM
my picks

dickinson
haverford
hopkins
st mary's
arcadia
tcnj
washington
f&m
gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 24, 2008, 02:33:41 PM
Guesses for 11/25/08

Dickinson
Catholic
Hopkins
St Mary's
Arcadia
Ursinus
TCNJ
Washington
F & M
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 24, 2008, 03:10:23 PM
My picks for 11/25:

Dickinson
Catholic
Johns Hopkins
St. Mary's
Arcadia
Ursinus
TCNJ
Stevenson
Franklin And Marshall
Gettysburg

Also (to ne-ball), you didn't make a pick in the Drew-Ursinus game!

Good luck to a CC teams. Happy Thanksgiving to all! Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on November 24, 2008, 05:47:12 PM
need to add ursinus to my picks that i already sent
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 24, 2008, 06:19:48 PM
Ne-ball...

Got the change and corrected it.

Thanks Diplomaniac1  for picking that off..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on November 24, 2008, 10:20:05 PM
yea, thanks diplomaniac. i appreciate it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on November 24, 2008, 11:36:38 PM
My picks for 11/25

Dickinson
Catholic 
Frostburg State
McDaniel
Arcadia
Ursinus
TCNJ
Stevenson 
F & M
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 25, 2008, 12:05:26 AM
11/25 picks:

Gettysburg
Ursinus
Dickinson
Catholic
Johns Hopkins
St. Mary's
Arcadia
Muhlenberg
Washington
F&M

Does anyone know why Corey Dorsey wasn't in the starting lineup for Gettysburg the other night?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 25, 2008, 08:24:06 PM
Ursinus at the half 33--30 against York
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 25, 2008, 08:37:37 PM
Washington is up at the start of the 2nd half 40-33 over Stevenson

F & M is up 42 - 37 over Lebanon Valley

Gettysburg finally pulled ahead with under a min to go 28-27 over York College


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 25, 2008, 08:49:59 PM
Ursinus wins 77 - 65 over drew

Matt Hilton 28 pts  Noonan 23 pts
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 26, 2008, 05:45:39 PM


Folks -

It looks to me that the results and standings including last night's games should be as follows:

Poster                               11/25                    Overall                     Percentage

neball                                9-1                         16-2                       .889
r. w. mcnickels                   7-3                         16-3                       .842
old ends                            9-1                         15-3                       .833
D. B. Cooper                      8-2                         15-3                       .833
Brce4                                 7-3                         15-3                       .833
diplomaniac1                     7-3                         15-3                       .833
Reserved Seat                   8-2                        14-4                       .778
Dipsetdynasty                   6-4                         13-6                       .684
UniqueNewYork                 5-5                          5-5                        .500

I have added the winning percentage for each participant to the standings to account for the differences in the number of games each poster picked and to permit for a better comparison as new posters join the Pick-Em Contest. Overall, the standings are close from top to bottom. Looks like it will be an interesting season.

All-in-all, most posters had a pretty good night as did most of the Centennial Conference teams as well. As a whole, the Centennial Conference was 8-2 in wins and losses.

Let me know if my numbers above are incorrect and I will post corrected results and standings. Regards to all. Happy Thanksgiving - travel safely!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 26, 2008, 05:48:07 PM


old ends -

Sorry, I didn't mean to "jump the gun" on you. However, I just had some extra time on my hands before the holiday and thought I would take a crack at calculating and listing the standings. I won't be able to do it all of the time! So, you have the ball now...........

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 26, 2008, 05:49:57 PM


UniqueNew York -

Welcome to the board and the contest. It is always nice to have new posters in here to broaden our discussion and outlook! What team do you support?

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 26, 2008, 05:55:37 PM
You can jump anytime you want...Thanks for doing it for me Eric..

Pickems for 11/29/08

John Hopkins    vs    Salisbury
Washington      vs    St Mary's
McDaniel            @    Stevenson
F & M                  @   Juniata

11/30/08
Ursinus              @   Lebanon Valley



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 26, 2008, 05:59:43 PM
Article about last night game fir Gettysburg.
http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2008/11/26/sports/gettysburg_college/doc492d48de7ccc1107895639.txt (http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2008/11/26/sports/gettysburg_college/doc492d48de7ccc1107895639.txt)


Last Night Results
November 25
#11 Gettysburg 60,     York 51
#12 Ursinus 77,           Drew 65
Dickinson 71,               Juniata 66
Haverford 70,              Catholic 57
Johns Hopkins 69,       Frostburg 66
St. Mary's 84,              McDaniel 77
Swarthmore 65,          Arcadia 63
TCNJ 71,                     Muhlenberg 63
Washington 89,         Stevenson 76
F&M 72,                      Lebanon Valley 68

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 26, 2008, 06:07:38 PM
Week one release is in. Player of the week and stats
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/MBK_1124.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/MBK_1124.pdf)

and stats thru 11/26
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm)



enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 26, 2008, 06:12:30 PM
To all Happy Thankgiving!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipsetdynasty on November 26, 2008, 09:28:18 PM
My Picks...

John Hopkins   
St Mary's
Stevenson
F & M

Ursinus 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 26, 2008, 11:37:52 PM
My picks
Hopkins
St. Mary's
McDaniel
Juniata
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 27, 2008, 12:06:44 AM
11-29/30 picks

Salisbury
St. Mary's
McDaniel
Juniata
Ursinus

Tough set of games, this is where road woes likely start for Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 27, 2008, 12:44:11 AM
11/29 picks:

Johns Hopkins
St. Mary's
McDaniel
Juniata

11/30 pick:

Ursinus


I'm with you on the Dips, D.B.  They need make a statement away from Mayser before I pick them on the road.  McNally and Baker have looked good, but you never know what a freshman point guard will give you, especially on the road...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on November 27, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
Pickems for 11/29/08

John Hopkins   
St Mary's
McDaniel
F & M                 

11/30/08
Ursinus           
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on November 27, 2008, 01:55:06 PM
i'll go with:

hopkins
st mary's
mcdaniel
juniata

ursinus

happy turkey day everyone
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 27, 2008, 05:57:51 PM
Picks for 11/29/08

John Hopkins
St Mary's
McDaniel
F & M

11/30/08
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 28, 2008, 06:43:48 PM
Picks for 11/29 & 11/30

Salisbury
St Mary's
McDaniel
F & M
Ursinus

the regular season games start next week for just Weds and Sat, then it does not get going until Jan 7th. So put your thinking caps on.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 29, 2008, 10:38:08 PM
Dips score a 42 point road victory against Juniata per the F&M website. They can prove me wrong & sabotage my pick-em score anytime, but I'll be back in line taking JHU over Dips in Baltimore next round. Maybe this team is better than last year, but once again this is a brutal conference. I just don't see how they can keep up near the top 3 or 4 teams in the standings. Keep proving me wrong Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 29, 2008, 10:45:05 PM
97-55 not bad for a road victory
I'll have to see the stats, but F&M may surprise some teams this year.
They currently go 7 deep, so they'll have to develop some depth to ward off any possible injuries.
It's a given I'll be picking F&M over Hopkins.  I hope to be there Tuesday, if I can get out of Reading in time to drive to Baltimore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 30, 2008, 06:23:39 PM
Results for 11/29

Reserved Seat          4  -  1
UniqueNewYork         4  -  1
ne-ball                    3  -  2
Dipsetdynasty           3  -  2
Brce4                      3  -  2
r.w.mcnickels            3  -  2
Old ends                  3  -  2
D.B.Cooper               2  -  3

Overall

Diplomatic1             15  -  3 ( .833)
ne-ball                    19  -  4 ( .826)
r.w.mcnickels           19  - 5 ( .792)
Reserved Seat         18  -  5 ( .783)
Old ends                 18  -  5 ( .783)
Brce4                     18  -  5 ( .783)
D.B.Cooper              17  -  6 ( .739)
Dipset Dynasty        16  -  8 ( .667)
UniqueNewYork          9  -  6 ( .600)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 30, 2008, 06:34:07 PM
Here is the pick-ems for 12/03/08( Conference games)

F & M             @  John Hopkins
Haverford      @  Muhlenberg
McDaniel        @  Swarthmore
Washington   @  Ursinus
Dickinson       @  Gettysburg


Since we have conference sandwiched in between non-conference games. I am going to keep separate tallies for the two. There is Conference games on 12/6 then only 1 more game till the end of the year. This how I tend to have a first half and second half..

1st half all non-conference games
2nd half conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 30, 2008, 06:38:26 PM
12/3 picks

JHU (We will get a better read on the youthful Dips here)
Mules
McDaniel
Ursinus by 48
Gettysburg (expect tough game)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 30, 2008, 06:52:42 PM
Picks for 12/3

F & M
Muhlenberg
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg

Conference time
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on November 30, 2008, 08:43:24 PM
picks...

F&M
Haverford
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 30, 2008, 09:12:09 PM
Already some tough games to pick. In the tough ones it's hard to pick against the home team so here goes
Hopkins
Mules
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Early, it looks like there will be many tough picks this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on November 30, 2008, 09:30:56 PM
agreed about tough picks...lots of teams can beat each other. should be interesting. seems like alot of teams are buched up this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on December 01, 2008, 12:07:48 AM
My picks for 12/3

F & M           
Muhlenberg
McDaniel       
Ursinus
Dickinson     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipsetdynasty on December 01, 2008, 12:23:57 AM

F&M by 42          
Muhlenberg
McDaniel 
Ursinus
Dickinson by 1 in OT
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 01, 2008, 11:49:58 AM

old ends -

I am not sure that you have my win-loss percentage correct. You may want to check and recalculate if necessary. Thanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 01, 2008, 11:56:43 AM

Folks -

Sorry, I missed getting my picks for 12/29 and 11/30 in. I left town early for the long Thanksgiving holiday weekend before I thought about it.

Here are my picks for the 12/3 Pick-Ems:

F&M  (I saw the Juniata game - Dips were impressive. I will pick this game with my heart over my brain!)
Muhlenberg (I don't have a read on these two teams yet)
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg (Home court advantage. Otherwise, a very close game)

Good luck to all. Hope everyone had an enjoyable holiday. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 01, 2008, 03:15:50 PM
12/3 picks:

Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg
McDaniel
Ursinus

Dickinson and Haverford should give their respective hosts a scare.  Hopkins will defend the home court against F&M after nearly knocking off St. Mary's over the weekend.  I'm not sure what to make of the Dips, who have looked very good so far.  Just too hesitant to pick them until we see how they play against a good conference team on the road, which will happen Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2008, 05:39:25 PM
Pick-ems for 12/03/08

F & M(need to start conference play with a win)
Muhlenberg
McDaniel
Ursinus(shouldn't lose two in a row)
Gettysburg(should be a great game)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 01, 2008, 06:18:49 PM
Diplomaniac1:

Got to watch us old timers.... Thanks for catching it and it has been corrected...
You can check with the others I have miscalculated a few in the past.. But always corrected

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 01, 2008, 06:31:50 PM
I think with Gettysburg & Ursinus being top teams to beat this year it may cause us to overlook some of the other teams.

Dickinson has their big man back,Leszcynski, who already is leading in rebounds and teammate Dolan in 7th spot. F & M is getting a team attack going with 7 members in double figures against Lebanon Valley. They have McNally 5th in points and 4th in rebound in the conference and Milligan the assist leader so far. The above are on per game ave.  Also remember F & M beat Lebanon Valley who Beat Ursinus.

Hilton( Ursinus) Capkin( Gettysburg) and Noonan( Ursinus) lead in scoring and 3 pt's made.

Going to be a good one this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2008, 06:32:34 PM
Quote from: old ends on December 01, 2008, 06:18:49 PM
Diplomaniac1:

Got to watch us old timers.... Thanks for catching it and it has been corrected...
You can check with the others I have miscalculated a few in the past.. But always corrected


Old Ends
Thanks for your efforts in maintaining the pick-ems.  You do a great timely job.  All miscalculations are corrected as soon as you are informed of the discrepancy.
I'll be in Baltimore for the Hopkins' game on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 01, 2008, 06:35:10 PM
Speaking of Matt Hilton, Ursinus. Congrats for being the Conference pllayer of the week.

The rest of the stats and stuff can be viewed here:
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_1201.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_1201.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 01, 2008, 09:21:17 PM
Eric, I think you asked what happened to Chris Sullivan a while ago.  By now you may already know, but I found out that he transferred to Wittenberg to play closer to home.  Here is Witt's roster (http://www5.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/mbasketball/roster08-09.html).  It looks like Sullivan has started all three games for the Tigers so far.

I thought he was a great shooter but not the best at running the point, where he was playing at F&M.  Of course, he was thrown into a starting role as a freshman, no easy thing.  Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 03, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
article from the conference on tonights matchups.
http://centennialconference.blogspot.com/2008/12/opening-night.html (http://centennialconference.blogspot.com/2008/12/opening-night.html)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 03, 2008, 07:38:36 PM
At the half in Baltimore:

F&M 37, Hopkins 32

McNally with 15 points for the Dips.  Hopkins shooting 60% from the field, but 12 turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 03, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
Never am I so glad as to lose a pick-em game

F&M 79 - JHU 66 (in Baltimore)

Are the youthful Dips for real or is JHU a second division team in the savage Cenntennial Conference? I eagerly await the result of the other exciting tilts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 03, 2008, 08:45:21 PM
Muhlenberg is laying it on Haverford 55-26 midway through the second half. 

Gettysburg leads Dickinson at the half, 38-26.

An impressive win for F&M on the road.   They host the Mules on Saturday in what should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2008, 10:30:02 PM
F&M looked ragged, but they moved the ball well.  McNally continued his strong play under the basket.  Milligan and Brooks can both penetrate with the ball.  F&M's rotation of 7 players is working well.  Despite some foul trouble, the offense showed no let up with Tolliver and Selig playing.  Tolliver and Selig will be the strength for F&M when it comes to bench play.  They both can sub for several players without affecting the flow of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 04, 2008, 11:26:34 AM
Gettysburg cracked the top 10 this week:

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

According to the Gettysburg website, this is the highest the Bullets have ever climbed in the D3hoops.com poll.  I think this makes the Bullets the third Centennial program to earn a top 10 ranking in the poll's history, along with F&M and Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 04, 2008, 12:52:55 PM
Any thoughts on who the top freshman in the CC are? With all the upperclassmen experience most teams have their aren't that many impact openings. Last year McNally (FM) had a great rookie year but was overshadowed by Powers (GB) who was explosive & dominant on a team that made a sweet-16 run.

This year I am favorably impressed with Milligan (FM) he looks like the best Dip point guard since Duran Searles, but is a different type of player. Early on his scoring, defense, rebounding & assist to turnover ratio are impressive. Plus he's led his squad to an unbeaten start that few if any would have predicted. The only apparent weakness shown so far is he does not seem to be comfortable shooting 3-pointers, if he ever develops this aspect he could be a 1st team CC player.
The only other frosh making a splash that I found is Liddic (Muhl), but most of his damage was against the shell-shocked Fords in the cavernous Muledome. I know the Sho'man play some rookies but can not imagine they are of the quality of the others I mentioned.

What does everyone think?  Did I miss some frosh high-riser that's the next Andrew Powers?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 04, 2008, 01:36:43 PM
D.B. -

I am also impressed with Milligan.  He might be the guard F&M has lacked.  However, this is from someone who thought Logan Outerbridge and Bryan Teschke would develop into All-CC players, so my opinion might not be worth anything!

Kevin Breslin of WC might be a player to watch - I just noticed his name on the stats and found out he's the brother of All-CCer Joey Breslin.

Cavernous is a great word for the Muledome.  Another one I've heard: "dungeon."  It's a tough place to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on December 04, 2008, 02:18:12 PM
I would agree with Milligan-it seems like he is stepping up for the Dips'

I would also through McDaniel out there, it seems like they have a promising freshman in Sarris-Grau.  Stats look good so far-led the team in 2 games(18pts, 8 boards and 16 pts, 6 blocks in another)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 04, 2008, 04:28:03 PM
Interesting to look at the stats from the December 3 games:

                    FGA     FG%     T/O
F&M               54     53.7      13
JHU                61     47.5      18
Gettysburg    45     57.8      11
Dickinson       60     35.0       9
McDaniel        53     52.8      17
Swarthmore   64    31.3       15
Ursinus          52    51.9        23
Washington   69    33.3        13
Muhlenberg    52    53.8        18
Haverford       56    26.8        17

Average         56.6  44.4        15.4

What do these stats tell you?  Which teams shoot the best?  Which teams defend the best?  Which teams take care of the ball the best?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 04, 2008, 05:35:51 PM
Results for 12/3/ pickems  ( remember conference play is not going to count on the overall but a second half)
                                          ( there are still some non-conference games left before full time conference)

2nd half

Diplomaniac1         5  -  0
Reserved Seat       5  -  0
Old ends               5  -  0
D.B..Cooper           4  -  1
ne-ball                 4  -  1
Dipsetdynasty      4  -  1
Brce4                   4  -  1
Unique New York    4  -  1
r.w.mcnickels         4  -  1

That is also the overall .

December 3
#9 Gettysburg 67,    Dickinson 50
#21 Ursinus 81,       Washington 61
F&M 79,                  Johns Hopkins 66
Muhlenberg 73,        Haverford 41
McDaniel 72,            Swarthmore 55

enjoy


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 04, 2008, 05:38:24 PM
Gabriel,, Thanks and Nice stats and I know you are rooting for.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 04, 2008, 05:40:35 PM
Pick-ems for 12/6


#9 Gettysburg   at    #21 Ursinus  ( gee do you think this might be a good game ???)
Muhlenberg       at       Franklin & Marshall
Washington      at       Dickinson
McDaniel           at       Haverford
Johns Hopkins   at      Swarthmore

Get them in by Sat. noon

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 04, 2008, 05:46:46 PM
Home town papers tend to be homer's.. Article about Gettysburg's victory

http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2008/12/04/sports/gettysburg_college/doc4937c54bd42c6408029221.txt (http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2008/12/04/sports/gettysburg_college/doc4937c54bd42c6408029221.txt)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 04, 2008, 06:57:27 PM


old ends -

Looks to me that you left one of our pick-em contestants who is new this year off of the Second Half standings list. If my notes are right, it should also include:

Dipsetdynasty        4 - 1

All of our pickers had a pretty good night! Fellow Diplomat fans, I hope to get to the Muhlenberg game this weekend. I will have to say hello if any of you plan to attend. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 04, 2008, 07:09:03 PM
Pick-ems for 12/6

Gettysburg(good test for lofty ranking)
Franklin & Marshall(who else)
Dickinson
McDaniel(Haverford could win at home)
Johns Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipsetdynasty on December 04, 2008, 07:10:43 PM
yeah thanks for not forgetting about me!  I was predicting a big upset by Dickinson, but Gettysburg played really well and Dickinson appears to be even worse off than they were last year even though they didn't lose anybody.  Should be interesting to see if Gettysburg can keep their top 25 ranking till the end of the season.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipsetdynasty on December 04, 2008, 07:12:25 PM
Ursinus
Franklin & Marshall
Dickinson
Haverford
Johns Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2008, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on December 03, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
Never am I so glad as to lose a pick-em game

F&M 79 - JHU 66 (in Baltimore)

Are the youthful Dips for real or is JHU a second division team in the savage Cenntennial Conference? I eagerly await the result of the other exciting tilts.
Couple of things:
On the lighter side, considering Coach Robinson was not seen at the Provident Pride Tournament (though, I was rather busy, so I could be very wrong), I am impressed with this victory. I only allude to his presence at the tournament since he spent much of last year at both days of the weekend part of the tournament.

I wouldn't say JHU is in the second division (lower half) of the Centennial. I saw them play plenty of basketball and they are a pretty good team. They certainly have their flaws which St. Mary's took advantage of - the Blue Jays are not a quick team - but I would not say they are in the bottom half. Now, does that mean F&M is much better than thought or just playing above themselves, we shall see. A road win against Hopkins is a pretty good step for a program I was so used to seeing at the top.

Completely random and not based on any fact... is Gettysburg really only the third team from the Centennial to make the Top 10? Hopkins has never done it? Interesting.

Gettysburg/Ursinus is the game I will certainly be watching. I saw a few of these battles last year, including a very good game in the Sweet 16. Ursinus dominated many facets of that game, but I saw where the Bullets would dominate in the future. I am taking Gettysburg in this game - but I think it will be closer than the experts think, since Ursinus will be gunning to prove they are better than that Leb. Valley lost showed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 04, 2008, 08:53:14 PM
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg (Mules fan can't pick against them yet)
Dickinson
McDaniel ( Haverford did not look very good against Muhlenberg on Wed. but will no doubt play better at
               home but it's hard to pick them against McDaniel)
Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 04, 2008, 09:16:31 PM
My picks for 12/6:

Ursinus
F&M
Dickinson
McDaniel
Hopkins




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 04, 2008, 09:20:10 PM
Quote from: old ends on December 04, 2008, 05:38:24 PM
Gabriel,, Thanks and Nice stats and I know you are rooting for.

Old Ends,

I doubt it.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 04, 2008, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on December 04, 2008, 08:08:01 PM
Completely random and not based on any fact... is Gettysburg really only the third team from the Centennial to make the Top 10? Hopkins has never done it? Interesting.

The highest ranking I could find for JHU was No. 12 early in the '99-00 season (the first poll year listed on this site).  It's possible I missed a higher ranking somewhere.  They made the "teens" in a few different seasons, but I couldn't find a Top 10. 

But what's a couple of spots?  We could just say the Centennial has four programs to have reached the "Top 12" this decade.  Not bad!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on December 05, 2008, 11:09:22 AM
Pick-ems for 12/6


Gettysburg   
Franklin & Marshall
Dickinson
McDaniel         
Johns Hopkins   

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 05, 2008, 01:36:31 PM
12/6 picks

Ursinus (G-burg is better but have to get gorilla off their back 1st)
F&M (still don't trust this team but Mules are 20 points worse on the road)
Dickinson (sure win for Devils, Sho'man not to be mistaken for G-burg)
McDaniel (could be a closer game than most think)
JHU (SWAT is toothless this year)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 05, 2008, 05:39:07 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for 12/6:

Ursinus
F&M
Dickinson
McDaniel
Hopkins

Enjoy the games. Good luck to all! Regards,


Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 05, 2008, 08:41:44 PM
gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 05, 2008, 08:43:20 PM
gettysburg
f&m
dickinson
haverford
hopkins

sorry...pushed the button too quick before
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 05, 2008, 08:44:16 PM
12/6 picks:

Gettysburg
F&M
Dickinson
McDaniel
Johns Hopkins

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 06, 2008, 10:34:17 AM
Today';s picks

Ursinus  home court adv today
F & M
Dickinson
McDaniel 
John Hopkins

Fixed standings  misssed Dipsetdynasty who went 4 - 1 as eric pointed out
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 06, 2008, 10:43:36 AM
Congrats to Matt Hilton, Ursinus player of the week

Week 2 release

http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_1201.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_1201.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 06, 2008, 11:54:03 AM
Wiping off my 'reserved seat', and waiting for basketball to start.  The gym's a little empty right now.
Girls at 2:00; boys at 4:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2008, 05:13:01 PM
D.B.

We were right.  Gettysburg still can't get the gorilla of its back.  82-53 Ursinus.  Who would have guessed the margin would be so big.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2008, 05:52:43 PM
Ursinus got a wake up call last year against Immaculata and again this year against Lebanon Valley.  After both these losses, they realized that team play, tough defense and ball movement  are the best ways to get it done.  Ursinus plays Leb Valley again next game in the Randolph Macon tourney on December 29.  I will bet on Ursinus this time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 06, 2008, 10:47:31 PM
Ursinus' overwhelming victory unexpected.  I thought the game might be close.  Home court shouldn't be that much of a help. 
Washington's stunning win caught us all by surprise.
F&M's score not as close as the final score.  F&M's failure to convert foul shots at the end and some timely threes by the Mules closed the gap.  F&M's big men were in foul trouble the entire game.  F&M appears to be much more athletic than the last few years.
With Washington beating Dickinson, the Centennial appears to be a wide open race for numerous teams to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipsetdynasty on December 06, 2008, 10:50:55 PM
I agree.  Ursinus always knows how to come off a tough loss.  Coach Smalls is one of the best in-game coaches I've seen, he can make great adjustments at TOs and Halftime. 

Gettysburg, on the other hand, is not a contender period.  They have some solid players: I think Powers has potential to become an all-american, and I think Capkin plays his heart out.  BUT they also have some weaknesses: Spierenburg does a lot of great stuff like getting blocks, making great cuts, but he can easily be defended by a bigger guy because he's not very quick and he's easy to push around.  Also, Dorsey is a JOKE.  I've never seen a D3 player with a worse off-hand dribble.  He plays like a chump and think's he's the best player on that team and probably in the league.  If you put a guard defender right on him tight and tell him to go for the steal everytime Dorsey dribbles then he won't score all game.  Until Gettysburg learns to work around Powers as their focal point and get an inside out game to Capkin/Spierenberg, those guys will not be legitimate contenders. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 07, 2008, 08:00:24 AM
haverford beats mcdaniel with good "D" and team play. low scoring game and the fords came through down the stretch in a game that was neck and neck most of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 07, 2008, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: ne-ball on December 07, 2008, 08:00:24 AM
haverford beats mcdaniel with good "D" and team play. low scoring game and the fords came through down the stretch in a game that was neck and neck most of the way.

ne-ball, it also looks like the Fords did it without Chaz Thomas in the lineup.  Do you know if he's injured?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 07, 2008, 12:05:04 PM
Quote from: dipsetdynasty on December 06, 2008, 10:50:55 PM
I agree.  Ursinus always knows how to come off a tough loss.  Coach Smalls is one of the best in-game coaches I've seen, he can make great adjustments at TOs and Halftime. 

Gettysburg, on the other hand, is not a contender period.  They have some solid players: I think Powers has potential to become an all-american, and I think Capkin plays his heart out.  BUT they also have some weaknesses: Spierenburg does a lot of great stuff like getting blocks, making great cuts, but he can easily be defended by a bigger guy because he's not very quick and he's easy to push around.  Also, Dorsey is a JOKE.  I've never seen a D3 player with a worse off-hand dribble.  He plays like a chump and think's he's the best player on that team and probably in the league.  If you put a guard defender right on him tight and tell him to go for the steal everytime Dorsey dribbles then he won't score all game.  Until Gettysburg learns to work around Powers as their focal point and get an inside out game to Capkin/Spierenberg, those guys will not be legitimate contenders. 

Kevin Small does not get enough credit for what he has done at Ursinus.  He was not even a full time employee until about two to three years ago. He was working three jobs until he was hired full time.  He has not had a full time paid assistant for the past three years, since Joe Rulewich left although Mike McGarvey is probably going to fill that role.  He took a program that was morbid at best and molded a first class program.  He does it through hard work, relentless recruiting, smart coaching and keeping in close touch with his players.  The success at Ursinus is no accident and it will continue.  They may not win the conference every year but they will be in the hunt every year.

As opposed to Gettysburg, Coach Small stays positive during every game and sticks with his rotation even if the kids make mistakes.  The players are confident because they know the coach has confidence in them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 07, 2008, 12:25:48 PM
no question that ursinus is a "family" and that has huge dividends. i had the pleasure of meeting a couple of their former players (mcgarvey, stanton) when they worked with some young athletes and they are special people. fine young men, devoted athletes and great attitudes that make them models for the younger kids. no surprise that it comes from the top down and creates a program with alot of heart and comradery.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 07, 2008, 12:44:00 PM
Results for 12/6

Second Half

Dipsetdynasty          4  -  1
Gabriel                    3  -  2
D.B.Cooper              3  -  2
Diplomanic1             3  -  2
ne-ball                   3  -  2
old ends                  3  -  2
r.w.mcnickels           2  -  3
Reserved Seat         2  -  3
UniqueNewYork       2  -  3
Brce4                    1  -  4

Overall

Dipsetdynasty         8  -  2
Diplomanic1             8  -  2
old ends                 8  -  2
Reserved Seat         7  -  3
ne-ball                  7  -  3
D.B.Cooper             7  -  3
UniqueNewYork        6  -  4
r.w.mcnickels          6  -  4
Gabriel                    3  -  2
Brce4                     5  -  5

As you have stated this could be a good tight race this year. Some of the teams we all tought would win.. well it just did not happen.

I agree with Reserved that the home court advantage should not have been that big a difference. Must look at the stats and see what happened.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 07, 2008, 12:47:01 PM
Picks-ems for 12/9 and 12/10.

12/9
Moravian at Swarthmore

12/10
Hunter at F & M

These games are part of the first half standings. There will not be any conference games until 1/7/09. So from now until then all first half.

recap of 1st half so far
Overall

Diplomatic1             15  -  3 ( .833)
ne-ball                    19  -  4 ( .826)
r.w.mcnickels           19  - 5 ( .792)
Reserved Seat         18  -  5 ( .783)
Old ends                 18  -  5 ( .783)
Brce4                     18  -  5 ( .783)
D.B.Cooper              17  -  6 ( .739)
Dipset Dynasty        16  -  8 ( .667)
UniqueNewYork          9  -  6 ( .600)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 07, 2008, 01:05:30 PM
In reviewing the stats for the Ursinus -- Gettysburg game, two things jump out

1. Gettysburg shot 38.5% from the floor
     15.8 % 3-pts shots
      52.6% from the foul line.

     Ursinus   49.2% from the floor
      39.3% 3 pt shots
      81.3% on the foul line

2.  Gettysburg 21 turnovers
      Ursinus 16 turnovers, 3 blocks, and 13 steals.

Points in the paint-GC 28,UC 26. Points off turnovers-GC 17,UC 24.
2nd chance points-GC 13,UC 7. Fast break points-GC 0,UC 4.
Bench points-GC 17,UC 25.

Gettysburg just does not look like they were there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on December 07, 2008, 01:13:41 PM
Picks-ems for 12/9 and 12/10.

12/9
Swarthmore

12/10
F & M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 07, 2008, 04:24:36 PM
Picks-ems for 12/9 and 12/10.

12/9
Moravian(have some good wins and some bad losses)

12/10
F & M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 07, 2008, 06:45:54 PM
rw...not sure about chaz's status, but he did not play, you are right. no news on that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 07, 2008, 07:44:30 PM
After my awful picks on Saturday, I'll go with Moravian and F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 07, 2008, 08:05:55 PM
next picks

Moravian
F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipsetdynasty on December 07, 2008, 09:17:33 PM
Moravian and F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 08, 2008, 08:24:59 AM
My picks are Moravian and F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 08, 2008, 10:47:09 AM


Folks -

Mr picks for 12/9 and 12/10 are:

Moravian
F&M

I was at the F&M game on Saturday. The observation that I will make is that the Dips would have lost this type of game last year when the Mules started their run of threes. The Dips let a lot of leads perish in similar types of situations in the second half of many games last year. While one game does not a season make, this is a very hopeful sign for the Dips and their fans!

I agree that the Dips appear to be quicker and more atheletc this year. Also, this team appears to be tougher mentally and more "coachable". I thought that Balderston (No. 34) gave some strong minutes defensively off of the bench in the first half - a pleasant surprise. Finally, having a point guard with a two-dimensional game (both scoring and running the offense) is a big plus.

Good luck to all! Hopefully, the off-weeks in December will go by fast and the second half will be here soon! Regards.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 08, 2008, 03:18:05 PM
Picks for 12/9 and 12/10

Swarthmore  12/9
F & M    12/10

Very good information from all. +k's to ya
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 08, 2008, 03:46:36 PM
Stats thru 12/8 are in,

SCORING OFFENSE
## Team                  G   W-L   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall.  6   6-0   484  80.7
2.Ursinus.............        6   5-1   479  79.8


SCORING DEFENSE
## Team                  G   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.McDaniel............    6   347  57.8
2.Gettysburg..........  5   295  59.0

FREE THROW PERCENTAGES
## Team                  G    FTM   FTA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Ursinus.............       6     85   110  .773
2.Johns Hopkins.......  7    114   153  .745

FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team                     G     FG   FGA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Ursinus.............       6    173   335  .516
2.Franklin & Marshall.  6    182   366  .497


3-POINT FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team                      G     FG   FGA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall.  6     18    35  .514
2.Ursinus.............        6     48   125  .384

REBOUNDING MARGIN
## Team                  G  TEAM   Avg  OPP   Avg Margin
--------------------------------------------------------
1.Muhlenberg..........  5   217  43.4  164  32.8  +10.6
2.Franklin & Marshall.  6   239  39.8  187  31.2   +8.7


See it all:http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm)

enjoy






Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 08, 2008, 03:49:08 PM
Weekly release is in Congrats to Georgio Milligan, F & M, Conference player of the week.

view the rest here:http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_1208.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_1208.pdf)
enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on December 08, 2008, 05:54:32 PM
Good for him-It's good to see a mix of upperclassmen and underclassmen on the honor roll.  It looks like there are some quality freshman in Milligan(FM), Liddic (Mules), and Sarris-Grau(McD)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 08, 2008, 08:39:42 PM
d3hoops...there are other good freshman who will surface that are not getting deserved  minutesyet. stay tuned.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 08, 2008, 08:51:22 PM
12/9 pick:
Moravian in a close one

12/10 pick:
F&M

Still kicking myself for picking Gettysburg over Ursinus.  Kevin Small has shown time and again that he knows how to beat the Princeton offense - the games haven't been close.

The Sho'men and Fords also came up big this weekend, along with the surprising Dips.  Looking forward to the nightly wars in conference play come January.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 08, 2008, 09:08:11 PM
my picks are:

Moravian
F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 09, 2008, 02:56:40 PM
Ursinus jumps up to No. 12 in this week's Top 25, while Gettysburg slips to No. 15.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

D-Mac or anyone in the know:  Are the three Mid-Atlantic voters still the same as when the poll started?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2008, 05:01:19 PM
r.w. mcnickels if you are refering to back when the poll first started, the answer is no. I am not sure the turnover and I am not sure who the original three where. I also don't know who all the voters are from the Mid-Atlantic, so there could be more than three! Realize that may not actually help you! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCbball#1 on December 09, 2008, 05:01:37 PM
Anybody know what has happened to Dickinson so far this year? it certainly seemed on paper they would be better than the showing they had against Washington. Also, what is everybody seeing with F&M so far? I have a feeling their win against Hopkins may be a bit inflated, even with it being as hard as it is to win down in Baltimore, because Hopkins just does not have the firepower they used to, not to mention only one good forward in Farber Miller to run their system instead instead of the two the usually have. I can't see F&M sustaining what they have been doing so far because they are so young and have a played a relatively easy schedule. This league has been known to punish younger players going around the second time in the league schedule due to the amount of scouting done. Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 09, 2008, 05:34:00 PM
Although I haven't seen them yet, I think F&M will be a playoff team this year.  The reports are they are young, yes, but they are also athletic and well balanced.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 09, 2008, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: ne-ball on December 08, 2008, 08:39:42 PM
d3hoops...there are other good freshman who will surface that are not getting deserved  minutesyet. stay tuned.

I agree.  Freshmen will see little playing time at Gettysburg, Ursinus,  Dickinson or other veteran teams.  Mike Walther at Ursinus is going to be very good but will be coming off the bench this year.  Probably a starter as a sophomore if he earns it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 09, 2008, 11:27:50 PM
yes, D3, and there are others. it will be interesting to see who might step up this season as a freshman with lots of up side.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2008, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on December 09, 2008, 02:56:40 PM
D-Mac or anyone in the know:  Are the three Mid-Atlantic voters still the same as when the poll started?

One of the original three Mid-Atlantic voters is still around. There aren't many people who have voted for all 10 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 10, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
Ouch

December 9
Moravian 61, Swarthmore 59

At least to myself and Unique

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 10, 2008, 09:20:00 PM
F & M  won so therefore to make life easy

Unique and I are 1 - 1 for the picks and the rest of you brilliant tellers of the basketball world are 2 - 0

Hence-forth
overall standings 1st half

Diplomanic1           17  -  3 (.850)
ne-ball                 21  -  4 (.840)
r.w.mcnickels         21  -  5 (.808)
Reserved Seat       20  -  5 (.800)
Brce4                   20  -  5 (.800)
D.B.Cooper            19  -  6 (.760)
old ends               19  -  6 (.760)
Dipsetdynasty       18  -  8 (.692)
UniqueNewYork     10  -  7 (.588)
Gabriel                  2  -  0 (1.000)



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 10, 2008, 09:25:06 PM
1st half pick-ems for 12/13 and 12/15

12/13
Gettysburg    at    Widener

12/15
Wesley          at     Washington
Moravian       at     Muhlenberg

enjoy


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 10, 2008, 10:15:03 PM
F&M's game was a series of spurts.  Every time one team got a lead; the other fought back with their own run.  Fortunately, F&M has 7 players who can score, giving them a lot of options.  Milligan had a nice line except for the turnovers.  Once he gets over his freshman errors, the team will be extremely hard to beat.  Brooks plays a very athletic game and has the ability to cover a man much taller than him.   Selig and Tolliver continued their strong play off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 10, 2008, 10:20:32 PM
Pick-ems for 12/13 and 12/15

12/13
Gettysburg(need to prove they're deserving of their ranking)

12/15
Washington(toss-up)
Muhlenberg

Supporting the CC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on December 11, 2008, 12:21:15 AM
12/13
Gettysburg

12/15
Wesley- Will be a high-scoring affair
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 11, 2008, 04:43:42 PM
Predictions are Gettysburg, Washington & Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 11, 2008, 10:32:42 PM
picks

Gettysburg
Washington
Moravian
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 11, 2008, 10:34:45 PM
Picks 10/23 & 25

Widener (must say both are enigmatic to me now)
Washington (have no idea here)
Muhlenberg (should win but Moravian prone to upset Mules in past)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 11, 2008, 11:20:00 PM
Widener
Wesley
Muhlenberg
Widener and Gettysburg are both early season top 25's who have underachieved a little. Wesley has Johnson who can score at will and as a previous poster noted the mules are 20 points worse on the road, but are playing Moravian at home
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 12, 2008, 10:36:28 AM


Here are my picks for 10/13 and 10/15:

Gettysburg @ Widener:   Gettysburg

Wesley @ Washington:   Washington (taking cc and home team here - your guess is as good as mine in this game)

Moravian @ Muhlenberg:   Muhlenberg  (much better at home which is a very tough place for visitors to play)

Have a great weekend! Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 13, 2008, 10:01:12 AM
gettysburg
washington
muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 13, 2008, 10:49:50 AM
12/13 pick:
Widener

12/15 picks:
Wesley
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 13, 2008, 10:17:35 PM
This is going to hurt Gettysburg in the rankings.

December 13

Widener  80,   Gettysburg   75

congrats to those who picked it correct.. wait till monday for the rest,

I will be posting a pick-em tomorrow for next weeks games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 14, 2008, 10:52:06 AM
pick-ems for middle week game

12/17/08
Guilford  at  McDaniel ( 1st half game)



enjoy

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 14, 2008, 11:14:10 AM
Old Ends
     Mules don't play Washington College until January.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 14, 2008, 11:27:02 AM
I printed out a copy of the Centennial Schedule and it shows. I'll check the team web sites.. thanks for the heads up..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 14, 2008, 11:29:48 AM
Check it and corrected it.. Can not trust anything you read any more  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 14, 2008, 08:38:12 PM
Quote from: old ends on December 14, 2008, 10:52:06 AM
pick-ems for middle week game

12/17/08
Guilford  at  McDaniel ( 1st half game)



enjoy



Pick Guilford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on December 14, 2008, 11:34:24 PM
Picks for 12/17/08
Guilford 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 15, 2008, 05:23:08 PM
Pick Guilford.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 15, 2008, 05:45:47 PM
pick-ems

12/17/08
Guilford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 15, 2008, 07:14:37 PM
Picks for 12/17

McDaniel someone has to stay with the conference team...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 15, 2008, 07:20:36 PM
Stats are in for games thru 12/15..

SCORING OFFENSE
## Team                      G   W-L   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall.  7   7-0   579  82.7
2.Ursinus.............        6   5-1   479  79.8

SCORING DEFENSE
## Team                  G   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.McDaniel............   6   347  57.8
2.Haverford...........  5   299  59.8

FREE THROW PERCENTAGES
## Team                     G    FTM   FTA   Pct
-------------------------  --------------------
1.Ursinus.............       6     85   110  .773
2.Johns Hopkins.......  7    114   153  .745


FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team                      G     FG   FGA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Ursinus.............        6    173   335  .516
2.Franklin & Marshall.  7    221   428  .516

REBOUNDING OFFENSE
## Team                    G   Reb Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.Muhlenberg..........  5   217  43.4
2.Ursinus.............      6   232  38.7


REBOUNDING DEFENSE
## Team                      G   Reb Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.Johns Hopkins.......   7   198  28.3
2.Franklin & Marshall.  7   208  29.7


see the rest here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm)





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 15, 2008, 11:38:17 PM
12/17 pick

Another tough one, Guilford with a bit more talent but a long trip to Westminster?

McDaniel plays the terror card (for the CC mojo)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 15, 2008, 11:46:45 PM
Mules beat Moravian tonight. Pick for 12/17 Guilford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 16, 2008, 07:52:24 AM
i pick guilford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 16, 2008, 07:16:15 PM
Results from 12/13 and 12/15

D.B.Cooper        3  -  0  Congrat of the picks
Reserved Seat   2  -  1
Gabriel             2  -  1
Brce4               2  -  1
Diplomanic1       2  -  1
ne-ball             2  -  1
r.w.mcnickels     2  -  1
UniqueNewYork  1  -  2
Old ends           1  -  2

Overall

Diplomanic1      19  -  4 (.826)
ne-ball            23  -  5 (.821)
Gabriel             4  -  1  (.800)
r.w.mcnickels    23  -  6 (.793)
Reserved Seat  22  -  6 (.786)
D.B.Cooper       22  -  6  (.786)
Brce4              22  -  6  (.786)
old ends           20  -  8  (.714)
dipsetdynasty  18  -  8  (.692)
UniqueNewYork 11  -  9 (.550)

   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on December 16, 2008, 08:10:27 PM
Chaz Thomas has apparently switched to Haverford's indoor track team. He did extremely well in the most recent meet. The Haverford athletic page has the details.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 17, 2008, 09:17:58 AM
I noticed that that Ursinus dropped in the top 25 poll without losing & G-burg fell all the way to presumpive #26. On the brighter note the upstart unheralded surprise Dips get a single vote (dare we say #T40). Dips can't have received any votes for 2-3 years minimum.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 17, 2008, 10:35:03 AM
12/17 pick:

Guilford steals a close one in Westminster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 17, 2008, 10:36:57 AM
Quote from: oldford on December 16, 2008, 08:10:27 PM
Chaz Thomas has apparently switched to Haverford's indoor track team. He did extremely well in the most recent meet. The Haverford athletic page has the details.

It's not often a two-time conference all-star switches sports during the season.  Chaz definitely left his mark on Haverford hoops, leading the Fords to the CC title game in '07.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 17, 2008, 04:47:48 PM


Folks -

In my pick-em for 12/17, I guess I am going against popular opinion and the tide of my fellow prognosticators. I am selecting McDaniel in close game due to home court advantage. Guilford may be the better team but travel and bad weather can take its toll! Should be close either way.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 17, 2008, 05:05:00 PM
chaz thomas was a co captain on Haverford's basketball team, is in his senior year, and quit after the loss to muhlenberg in which he scored 4 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 18, 2008, 05:27:59 PM
Pick em

I'll take William & Mary over the Chaz-less Fords if this is in the contest
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 18, 2008, 05:54:14 PM
I pick William & Mary.  I did not think Chaz was classy two years ago when I saw him the first time.  Now I know he's not.  He quit on his team.  But, maybe it's addition by subtraction.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2008, 06:00:31 PM
Is the William & Mary/Haverford game a pick-em?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 18, 2008, 06:34:32 PM
Yes 12/20 is a 1st half pick-em

Haverford at William & Mary


This is the last pick-em until conference play begins 1/7/09 So this is the end of the first half..

Only reason is, tournament games are fun but coaches try a lot of lineup changes to see what will work for the regular season.

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 18, 2008, 06:44:08 PM
You know who won the one game pick this week... Gabriel, Unique,Reserved,NE,Brce and RW
the rest of use took to hit

Overall

Gabriel                   5  -  1 (.833)
ne-ball                  24  -  5 ( .828)
r.w.mcnickels         24  -  6 (.800)
Reserved Seat       23  -  6 (.793)
Brce4                   23  -  6 (.793)
Diplomanic1           19  -  5 (.792)
D.B.Cooper            22  -  7 (.789)
Dipsetdynasty       18  -  8 ( .692)
old ends               20  -  9 ( .690)
UniqueNewYork     12  -  9 ( .571)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 18, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
Pick for 12/20

William & Mary
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 18, 2008, 06:50:55 PM
article on the McDaniel game
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2008/12/18/sports/asports121808.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2008/12/18/sports/asports121808.txt)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2008, 07:25:17 PM
William & Mary
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 18, 2008, 09:08:43 PM
Shocked to hear Thomas quit in his Senior year. Who does that? William & Mary is the pick.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 18, 2008, 09:51:44 PM
william and mary
yes, not a good move at all quitting on your team like that (chaz thomas at haverford). i do agree that the team might be better off, even if he is a talented kid. the guys need to stick together and go hard.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on December 18, 2008, 10:10:43 PM
William & Mary
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 19, 2008, 07:04:44 PM


My Pick for 12/20:

William And Mary. Have a great weekend! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 20, 2008, 11:00:35 AM
12/20 pick:

William & Mary

Even with Chaz on the team playing at the top of his electric game, the Fords wouldn't have had much of a chance.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ne-ball on December 20, 2008, 11:11:19 PM
true...the fords were outmatched. nice game by the freshman ian goldberg (haverford) in a tough but predictable defeat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 21, 2008, 02:35:15 PM
Well everone got that right so the overall is as follows

1st half overall
Gabriel                6  -  1 (.857)
ne-ball               25 - 5 ( .833)
r.w.mcnickels      25  - 6 (.806)
Reserved Seat     24  - 6 ( .800)
Brce4                 24  - 6 ( .800)
Diplomanic1         20  - 5 ( .800)
old ends             21  - 9 (.700)
D.B.Cooper         23  -  7 (.767)
UniqueNewYork   13  -  9 (.591)

The second half cont'd Jan 7th with the return of conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 21, 2008, 02:38:44 PM
Just in case you forgot where you are in the 2nd half

Overall 2nd half

Dipsetdynasty         8  -  2
Diplomanic1             8  -  2
old ends                 8  -  2
Reserved Seat         7  -  3
ne-ball                  7  -  3
D.B.Cooper             7  -  3
UniqueNewYork        6  -  4
r.w.mcnickels          6  -  4
Gabriel                   3  -  2
Brce4                    5  -  5
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 23, 2008, 12:08:05 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans
(and Fellow Pick-Em Prognosticators) -

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all! Enjoy the break. See you in the New Year.

Eric

GO DIPLOMATS

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 24, 2008, 02:07:33 PM
Same to you Eric - happy holidays, everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 24, 2008, 04:23:50 PM
Happy Holidays to all

I will post the next pick-ems before New Year

Have a good one
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 24, 2008, 04:33:15 PM
Weekly release is in

http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_1222.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_1222.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 30, 2008, 05:42:46 PM
Pick-ems for 1/7/09  2nd half

Gettysburg     @     Washington
Haverford       @     Dickinson
Muhlenberg    @     McDaniel
Swarthmore    @    Franklin & Marshall
Ursinus           @    John Hopkins

Think about them.. not needed until noon on the 7th.......

Happy New Yeay to all...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 30, 2008, 05:46:43 PM
Just in case you missed some results


December 28
Dickinson    73       Hendrix     62

December 29
Ursinus      75        Lebanon Valley  64




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 03, 2009, 09:01:32 AM
Some of the other results from the past week

December 30
Randolph-Macon   75    Ursinus   63
Dickinson              75   Fitchburg State   57

January 2
Johns Hopkins   62   Roger Williams   47
Gettysburg       70     Juniata              53
Haverford         61   Rutgers-Camden 48
F&M                 78    New Jersey 74

Nice to see the Conference teams do well.. F & M 8-0 so far super.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 03, 2009, 09:05:26 AM
Check out the new poll,,,see if you can make the correct pick.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 03, 2009, 11:12:07 AM
Anthony Brooks was missing from F&M's lineup last night due to a recent appendix operation, according to today's Intell.  Tolliver played well in his first start of the year.  The Dips play Susquehanna (7-3) tonight in the Sponaugle final.

Quote from: old ends on January 03, 2009, 09:05:26 AM
Check out the new poll,,,see if you can make the correct pick.

Ursinus will be tough to beat, even though they've dropped a couple out of the conference.  Their guard play could carry them to another title.  The youthful Dips have been impressive, but they might still be a year away...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2009, 11:44:10 AM
F&M seemed to struggle with TCNJ's offensive scheme.  It seemed that TCNJ had 5 guards on the floor most of the night.  TCNJ's lack of height didn't hindering their trapping defense.  F&M had trouble getting the ball inside; and when they did, they missed some easy opportunities.
They started the game with 3 misses underneath on the first possession.  Later in the game they missed on 4 opportunities in one possession under the basketball.  Hopefully, the rust was the culprit.  Brooks' athleticism was missed.  Johnson's play showed that F&M has another threat coming off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 04, 2009, 08:35:49 AM
Mules struggled some after the holidays but beat Hood in the Moravian tourney opening round. Congratulations to Coach Madeira on his 300th win at Muhlenberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 04, 2009, 05:42:47 PM
Picks for 1/7/09

Gettysburg
Dickinson
McDaniel
F & M
Ursinus

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 04, 2009, 05:46:08 PM
Story on F & M's victory

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232161 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232161)

Story on Muhlenburg's coach Madiera.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-muhlenberg.6732552jan04,0,2763016.story (http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-muhlenberg.6732552jan04,0,2763016.story)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 04, 2009, 05:52:36 PM
Yesterday's results

January 3
Cornell   99              Ursinus     45
Merchant Marine 70   Haverford  65
Gettysburg   62         Albright     60
McDaniel      66         York          63
Muhlenberg   77        Hood        68
F & M          81        Susquehanna 79
Salisbury    87           Washington 85 (OT)
Chapman   88           Swarthmore   59

 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 04, 2009, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: old ends on December 30, 2008, 05:42:46 PM
Pick-ems for 1/7/09  2nd half

Gettysburg     @     Washington
Haverford       @     Dickinson
Muhlenberg    @     McDaniel
Swarthmore    @    Franklin & Marshall
Ursinus           @    John Hopkins

Think about them.. not needed until noon on the 7th.......

Just a reminder
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 04, 2009, 09:56:59 PM
picks
     Gettysburg over an improving Washington on the road.
     Dickinson
     Muhlenberg
     F&M
     Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 04, 2009, 10:08:50 PM
Pick-ems for 1/7/09

Gettysburg
Dickinson
Muhlenberg
Franklin & Marshall
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 04, 2009, 11:22:42 PM
1/7 picks

G-burg
Dickinson
McDaniel
F & M
Ursinus (do or fall in deep hole for JHU)

Dips won over resilient Susquehanna, looked OK but erratic (though without Brooks, however Tolliver has improved much since last year) Also saw Scranton & Richard Stockton play. Royals didn't look as well rounded as Crusaders but Ospreys would be a huge challenge for the young Dips at present. Maybe Ursinus or G-burg could hang with Ospreys & there retro 80's Wideneresque 1-3-1 style.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 05, 2009, 11:18:11 AM
Picks for 1/7/09

Gettysburg---need to resurrect the season
Dickinson--home court and Haverford is weak with out Chaz
McDaniel--home court
F&M--home court and Swat is really weak
Hopkins--Ursinus struggles as they adjust for injuries

Gabriel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on January 05, 2009, 01:15:29 PM
What is the injury status for Ursinus?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 06, 2009, 12:52:40 PM
1/7 picks:

Gettysburg
Dickinson
McDaniel
F&M
Ursinus

Noticed that Hilton didn't play for UC at Cornell - is that the only injury for the Bears?  As long as Noonan and Cousart are healthy, I think the Bears should win in Baltimore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 06, 2009, 02:39:23 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 06, 2009, 06:03:59 PM
Picks for 1/7/09

Gettysburg     
Dickinson
McDaniel
Franklin & Marshall
Ursinus         
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 06, 2009, 09:35:22 PM

Fellow Prognosticators -

Welcome back. Hope everyone's holidays were excellent. Its good that the second half of DIII basketball is upon us - bing it on!

Here are my selections for the 1/07 Pick-Ems:

Gettysburg (might be close game)
Dickinson (Devils should be the better team. Kline Center a tough place to play.)
McDaniel (Terror getting better and Mules never strong on the road)
F&M (Mayser Center mastery continues)
Ursinus

Good luck! Regards to all!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 07, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: d3hoopsfan on January 05, 2009, 01:15:29 PM
What is the injury status for Ursinus?

I hear that Matt Hilton has a foot injury that will keep him out indefinitely---perhaps for the season.  He is a key player for the Bears, both offensively and defensively.  The Bears success this season will depend on how well the bench picks up the slack.  Howell, Page and freshman Mike Walther need to improve their play and contribute more each and every game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 07, 2009, 03:27:48 PM
That's a tough blow for Hilton and Ursinus, but I'm sure other guys will pick up the slack.  When Shattuck was playing on one leg last year, I was impressed with how the rest of the Bears raised their level of play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 07, 2009, 05:43:33 PM
I know the night is not over yet but with the games moving along quickly now here is the pick-em's for 1/10/09

McDaniel        @  Ursinus
Gettysburg     @ Muhlenberg ( battle of the berg's)
John Hopkins  @ Haverford
Dickinson        @ Swarthmore
Franklin & Marshall @ Washington

Not needed until noon on the 1700hrs( 5pm) on the 10th

good luck and enjoy..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 07, 2009, 05:47:09 PM
Congrats to Kizmahr Grell, Dickinson, for Player of the week honors

The rest can be seen here:
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_105.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_105.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 07, 2009, 05:52:50 PM
Stats are in thru Jan 6th

SCORING OFFENSE
## Team                     G   W-L   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall.  9   9-0   738  82.0
2.Washington..........  9   4-5   684  76.0
3.Ursinus.............      9   6-3   662  73.6

SCORING DEFENSE
## Team                  G   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.McDaniel............   9   526  58.4
2.Gettysburg..........  8   488  61.0
3.Johns Hopkins...... 9   558  62.0

FREE THROW PERCENTAGES
## Team                  G    FTM   FTA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Johns Hopkins.... 9    162   219  .740
2.Ursinus.............  9    120   163  .736

FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team                     G     FG   FGA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall.  9    279   542  .515
2.Johns Hopkins.......  9    213   438  .486
3.Ursinus.............       9    239   492  .486

REBOUNDING OFFENSE
## Team                   G   Reb Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.Muhlenberg..........  8   341  42.6
2.Dickinson...........      7   268  38.3
3.Franklin & Marshall.  9   342  38.0

REBOUNDING DEFENSE
## Team                    G   Reb Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.Johns Hopkins.......  9   246  27.3
2.Franklin & Marshall.  9   268  29.8

SCORING
## Player-Team               Cl  G   FG  3FG   FT  Pts Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------
1.Tim Kohlrus-WC.......... . SR  9   58   13   39  168  18.7
2.John Noonan-UC......... ..     9   59   19   24  161  17.9
3.Kizmahr Grell-DC.........   SR  7   41   12   31  125  17.9
4.Tom Leszczynski-DC....... SR  7   47    3   24  121  17.3

enjoy









Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 07, 2009, 06:08:58 PM
Article about McDaniel's basketball team
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/07/sports/dsports1709.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/07/sports/dsports1709.txt)

Here is one about Dickinson's  Tom Leszczynski
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/ny-skhero045986706jan04,0,4746293.story (http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/ny-skhero045986706jan04,0,4746293.story)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 07, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
See how your team ranks against others  take a look at the NCAA stats
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary (http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 08, 2009, 08:32:51 AM
My picks for 1/10/09

Ursinus
Gettysburg   
John Hopkins
Dickinson     
Washington

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 08, 2009, 08:49:28 AM
Ursinus(struggling, but at home
Gettysburg (too much size)
Haverford(possible home victory)
Dickinson(Swarthmore hasn't shown anything)
Franklin & Marshall(young, but interesting-a lot of talent)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 08, 2009, 12:30:27 PM
Picks for 1/10/2009

Ursinus (Home court , they are dealing with their rotation without Hilton)
Muhlenberg (Home court)
Haverford (Home court and they seem to be better without Chaz)
Dickinson (They have to win sometime)
Washington (Upset.  Home court and they are playing better)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 08, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
1/10 picks

Ursinus (Home cooking more than enough)
G-burg (toss-up, empty cavern = not quite the usual frontier justice)
Haverford (home court hunch)
Dickinson (losing this one finishes team that whipped up on non-conference foes)
Washington

Dips ripe for plucking as they leave friendly confines for unfriendly Cain. This begins 4 game road trip that will give test of fire to young Dips. 4 road games in 8 days, if they could win even 2 I make them contender for top 2-3 spots.

I now like Gettysburg more to win CC even more since Ursinus is clearly not the power they have been in recent years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 08, 2009, 03:41:04 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 08, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
1/10 picks

Ursinus (Home cooking more than enough)
G-burg (toss-up, empty cavern = not quite the usual frontier justice)
Haverford (home court hunch)
Dickinson (losing this one finishes team that whipped up on non-conference foes)
Washington

(I now like Gettysburg more to win CC even more since Ursinus is clearly not the power they have been in recent years.)

I agree.  I said this early on.  Ursinus lost only two (now three) players from last year but their names are Shattuck, Shema & Hilton.  Major losses.  They were over rated at the beginning of the season but look for them to come on strong as they normally do.  Do not count them out---they will get better as we move through the season. 

Interesting look.  F&M is 10-0.  They have played only two games away from home and one could argue that they have played only one or two quality opponents at the most.

Ursinus is 6-4.  They have played seven out of ten games away from home.
Quality opponents---Cornell (who beat Lafayette by 31 this week), Williams, Randolph-Macon (should be/will be in the top 25), St Lawrence and Gettysburg.

Which team grew the most during the preseason by playing teams as good or better than them?
Which team played a very soft preseason schedule?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 08, 2009, 04:56:37 PM
Picks for 1-10
Ursinus (McDaniel has a nice team but Bears win at home)
Muhlenberg ( If I keep picking them maybe they will win 1, always good at home)
Hopkins( Not sure what to make of Haverford yet)
Dickinson (not playing well in conference but Swat is struggling)
F&M( they are for real)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 08, 2009, 06:31:05 PM
1/10 picks:

Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Johns Hopkins
Dickinson
Washington

Tough slate of games, but what else should we expect?

Like a few others, I'm going with the Chestertown upset.  Feeling good about their record, the Dips will roll into the House of Cain and suffer a 5-point loss in a high-scoring affair.  F&M has drastically turned the corner from the past three years of mediocrity, but this is still a young team without much experience on the road.  The jury is still out until after the 4-game road swing.  The Dips might be a year ahead of schedule in the rebuilding process, but they won't return from the road trip unblemished -- and knowing the way I pick, I'll miss it when it happens.

Quote from: Gabriel on January 08, 2009, 03:41:04 PM
F&M is 10-0.  They have played only two games away from home and one could argue that they have played only one or two quality opponents at the most.

Ursinus is 6-4.  They have played seven out of ten games away from home.
Quality opponents---Cornell (who beat Lafayette by 31 this week), Williams, Randolph-Macon (should be/will be in the top 25), St Lawrence and Gettysburg.

A look inside F&M's own athletic department backs up this scheduling argument.  The women's lax team regularly plays one of the toughest non-conference schedules in D-III, and the coach credited that with helping them win the national title two years ago.  Although that type of scheduling is probably easier to do in lacrosse, it certainly applies to basketball.  Ursinus will benefit from playing those teams.  F&M should schedule tough road trips (New England? Ohio? California?) on a yearly basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 08, 2009, 07:40:42 PM
results 1/07/09 pick-ems

Garbiel                4  -  1
r.w.mcnickels      3  -  2
UniqueNewYork   3  -  2
Diplomaniac1       3  -  2
old ends             3  -  2
D.B.Cooper         3  -  2
Brce4                2  -  3
Reserved Seat    2  -  3


Overall
Dipsetdynasty     8  -  2  (.800)
Diplomaniac1      11 -  4  (.733)
Old ends            11 -  4  (.733)
Gabriel                7 -  3  (.700)
ne-ball                7 -  3  (.700)
D.B.Cooper         10 -  5  (.667)
r.w.mcnickels       9  -  6  (.600)
Reserved Seat     9  -  6  (.600)
UniqueNewYork    9  -  6  (.600)
Brce4                 7  -  8  (.467)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 08, 2009, 07:49:31 PM
Picks for 1/10

McDaniel   
Gettysburg
John Hopkins
Dickinson
Franklin & Marshall

good luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 08, 2009, 07:52:33 PM
News stories from yesterdays action

McDaniel http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/08/sports/bsports010909.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/08/sports/bsports010909.txt)

F & M http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232302 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232302)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 09, 2009, 07:11:34 PM
The Centennial Conference got some ink in the Around the Nation column this week.  It's under the Hoopsville section:

"Centennial re-emerging?"

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 09, 2009, 07:16:20 PM


Folks -

The following are my selections for the 1/10 pick-ems:

McDaniel @ Ursinus - Ursinus (might be close)
Gettysburg @ Muhlenberg - Muhlenberg (Mules in a close one at home)
Johns Hopkins @ Haverford - Johns Hopkins
Dickinson @ Swarthmore - Dickinson
F&M @ Washington - F&M (gotta go with my heart)

Hope the snow stays away tomorrow so that I can travel to see the Dips play. Good luck to all. Regards

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2009, 10:09:47 AM
Wish I was going to F&M's game today, but decided I didn't want to drive that far by myself especially considering the forecast.
It will be interesting to see how F&M's young squad deals with the upcoming 4 away games.
F&M will need to get Brooks back soon and have Selig healthy again to be at full strength. With Brooks' recent surgery and Selig's bout with the flu, F&M has been able to improve their depth a little.  Tolliver has had the opportunity to shoot more often, and he has shown an outstanding touch from 3 point range.  Johnson has shown signs of his potential, but he needs to learn how to play defense on a consistent basis.
Go Dips.  I'll be following the updated play-by-play on the internet.
Enjoy your trip, Eric.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 10, 2009, 01:01:15 PM
Reserved Seat - have you heard anything on when Brooks might return to action?

Safe travels to everyone making road trips today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2009, 01:15:50 PM
Brooks needs the doctor to tell the coaches he's cleared to play.
He's listed to start today, so the clearance must have come through.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 10, 2009, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2009, 01:15:50 PM
Brooks needs the doctor to tell the coaches he's cleared to play.
He's listed to start today, so the clearance must have come through.

Thanks Reserved, I see he's in the lineup on live stats.  But nothing's happening on live stats - wonder if the women's game ran late?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2009, 04:57:51 PM
Half
F&M 36
Washington 35

technical foul on the bench cost F&M 4 points in the last 2 seconds of the first period

Tolliver needs to make 2 more 3-pointers to qualify for a national ranking.
The qualifying rules say you must make 2.5 threes per game played to make the list.  His current percentage would make him number one in the nation.  The current leader was shooting 63%.
Rank   Name, Team                      Cl        Ht        Pos     G      3FG      3FGA     3FG%
1   Mitch Schafer, Manchester   So.   6-4   C   13   33   52   63.5

Tolliver  26 for 39
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 10, 2009, 06:42:56 PM
The CC hierarchy is more illuminated after today's tilts.

I'll rank the teams in order of their playoff potential.

1. Gettysburg (luckily my pick at start, but egg laid at Ursinus threw me)
2. McDaniel (Thought they would be good but not this good)
3. F&M (I'll gladly sabotage my pick-em status if they keep winning on road while I pick against them)
4. Johns Hopkins (Gave up on them after Goldfarb loss to Dips)
5. Ursinus (kept here out of deference to their decade of CC dynasty)
6. Dickinson (1st win in CC might wake up this experienced team)
7. Muhlenberg (Lack of ability to win on road keeps Mules out of playoff mix)
8-9. Haverford/Washington (both dangerous but out of mix)
10. SWAT (poor Garnet could be a long year at bottom of this balanced tough conference)

More on Bears, instead of aura of invincibility there's the sense of blood in the water. They were not what they've been & the loss of one of their top experienced scorers will now have every team believing they can take them anywhere even at Collegeville. By comparison the pre-season Dips have weathered illness & injury & have found a way to win ugly. F&M will lose soon, probably in Westminster & definitely in Allentown if they were still unbeaten, plus the Fords could upset at home too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
Big win for F&M on the road.
Winning at Washington should boost the confidence of a young team.
Despite the fact that both starting guards fouled out with significant time left, F&M didn't let the game slip away at the end.  Brooks must have been rusty after missing so much time.
If the weather is reasonable on Tuesday, I hope to see F&M at McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 11, 2009, 12:38:08 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 10, 2009, 06:42:56 PM
The CC hierarchy is more illuminated after today's tilts.

I'll rank the teams in order of their playoff potential.

1. Gettysburg (luckily my pick at start, but egg laid at Ursinus threw me)
2. McDaniel (Thought they would be good but not this good)
3. F&M (I'll gladly sabotage my pick-em status if they keep winning on road while I pick against them)
4. Johns Hopkins (Gave up on them after Goldfarb loss to Dips)
5. Ursinus (kept here out of deference to their decade of CC dynasty)
6. Dickinson (1st win in CC might wake up this experienced team)
7. Muhlenberg (Lack of ability to win on road keeps Mules out of playoff mix)
8-9. Haverford/Washington (both dangerous but out of mix)
10. SWAT (poor Garnet could be a long year at bottom of this balanced tough conference)

More on Bears, instead of aura of invincibility there's the sense of blood in the water. They were not what they've been & the loss of one of their top experienced scorers will now have every team believing they can take them anywhere even at Collegeville. By comparison the pre-season Dips have weathered illness & injury & have found a way to win ugly. F&M will lose soon, probably in Westminster & definitely in Allentown if they were still unbeaten, plus the Fords could upset at home too.

Solid analysis D.B.  The surprises for me have been Dickinson (thought they'd start stronger) and F&M (preseason expectations of maybe sneaking into the CC playoffs have now increased).

McDaniel also looks like a stronger squad than I thought.  Tuesday's clash in Westminster will tell us a lot about both the Terror and Dips.  F&M can't lose Milligan and Brooks to foul trouble, turn it over 23 times, and expect to win like they did today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 11, 2009, 08:56:37 PM
Results for 1/10

Old ends            5  -  0  (crystal ball got waxed)
UniqueNewYork  3  -  2
ReservedSeat    3  -  2
Brce4               3  -  2
Diplomanic1       3  -  2
D.B,Cooper        2  -  3
r.w.mcnickels     2  -  3
Gabriel              1  -  4

Overall

Dipsetdynasty     8  -  2  (.800)
Old ends            16  - 4  (.800)
Diplomanic1        14  - 6  (.700)
ne-ball               7  -  3  (.700)
Reserved Seat    12 -  8 (.600)
UniqueNewYork   12 -  8 (.600)
D.B.Cooper        12  -  8 (.600)
r.w.mcnickels     11  -  9 (.550)
Gabriel               8  -  7  (.533)
Brce4                10  - 10 (.500)

Sorry for the late post had no power for a few hours today.

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 11, 2009, 09:04:08 PM
News from Yesterdays games

Ursinus http://www.pottsmerc.com/articles/2009/01/11/sports/srv0000004470846.txt (http://www.pottsmerc.com/articles/2009/01/11/sports/srv0000004470846.txt)

F & M http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232447 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232447)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 11, 2009, 09:06:54 PM
Pick-em for 1/13/09

Franklin & Marshall   @  McDaniel  ( maybe game of the week)
Haverford               @  Gettysburg
Swarthmore            @  Ursinus
Washington            @  Muhlenberg
Dickinson                @  John Hopkins

Need them before tip off on Tuesday.

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 11, 2009, 09:37:18 PM
Pick-em for 1/13/09

Franklin & Marshall(only one I know to pick-haven't picked against them since we started)
Gettysburg
Ursinus(shouldn't lose this one)
Muhlenberg(toss up-picked home team)
John Hopkins(Dickinson's been a disappointment so far)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 11, 2009, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 11, 2009, 09:37:18 PM
Pick-em for 1/13/09

Franklin & Marshall(only one I know to pick-haven't picked against them since we started)

homer--  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 11, 2009, 09:53:28 PM
Picks for 1/13/09

Speakings of homer

McDaniel
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
John Hopkins

Just seems that this day the home teams get the nod.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 11, 2009, 10:17:10 PM
My picks for 1/13/09

McDaniel 
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
John Hopkins

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 11, 2009, 11:38:26 PM
1/13 picks

McDaniel
G-burg
Ursinus
M-berg (there's no place like home, esp. the Mule Cave)
JHU (suspect Devils will be in this game though)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 12, 2009, 10:44:37 AM
After my lousy predictions on 1/10, don't pay any attention to me but here are my 1/13 predictions anyway:

McDaniel -- home court
Gettysburg -- to talented not to play better
Ursinus -- don't count them out yet
Muhlenberg -- tough at home
JHU -- home court and Dickinson hasn't shown anything yet
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 12, 2009, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 10, 2009, 06:42:56 PM


More on Bears, instead of aura of invincibility there's the sense of blood in the water. They were not what they've been & the loss of one of their top experienced scorers will now have every team believing they can take them anywhere even at Collegeville. By comparison the pre-season Dips have weathered illness & injury & have found a way to win ugly. F&M will lose soon, probably in Westminster & definitely in Allentown if they were still unbeaten, plus the Fords could upset at home too.

My thoughts on D.B. Cooper's comments:

Ursinus was put on a pedestal at the beginning of the season which they did not deserve---their national ranking was based on reputation only.  They started out well going 6-1 with wins over some good teams.  They fell apart during the second half of the Randolph-Macon game.  They were cruising at half time with a seven point lead.  They lost Matt Hilton to a season ending injury in the second half and, uncharacteristically, lost their composure dealing with R-M's relentless defensive pressure in the second half.  They have not regained their composure as yet.  It did not help the team psyche  to play an outstanding Cornell team in Ithaca right after that and get blown out 99-45.  That was an unfortunate scheduling mistake.  Cornell will make the NCAA DI tournament this year as Ivy League champs and was way too good for any DIII team to face and gain anything from it.  Ursinus has a history of playing DI teams.  In recent years they have played Princeton, Bucknell and Lafayette----but nothing like the buzz saw they ran into in Ithaca.

Clearly, Hilton had assumed the role of "on-court leader" that formerly belonged to Shattuck.  Losing him turned out to be more devastating than the statistics would lead you to believe.  Will any of the Bears step up?  The leadership role should be assumed by either Noonan, Page or Cousart or all of the above.  If they don't, the Bears can start planning on next season.  If they do---they will make the playoffs and be a tough opponent.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 12, 2009, 12:42:09 PM
Picks for 1/13
F&M ( has the athleticism to beat McDaniel on the road)
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Muhlenberg( have to start winning to have a playoff chance)
Hopkins (Dickinson has disappointed so far)
I need some wins, I'm at 500. Yuk
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 12, 2009, 07:30:36 PM
Player of the week is--James McNally from Franklin and Marshall. Congrats for your efforts.

Weekly release is in: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_112.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_112.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 12, 2009, 07:33:46 PM
D.B. , Gabriel, and Reserved  Seat... Good stuff and looks like you have done your homework. So far the weather has not let this old timer travel to any games. Have been watching the live stats, but it is not like being there.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 12, 2009, 07:48:21 PM
Stats are in:

Through games of Jan 12, 2009 (All games)

SCORING OFFENSE
## Team                     G   W-L   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall. 11  11-0   905  82.3
2.Washington..........    11   4-7   821  74.6

SCORING DEFENSE
## Team                   G   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.McDaniel............    11   662  60.2
2.Gettysburg..........  10   606  60.6
3.Muhlenberg.......... 10   619  61.9

FREE THROW PERCENTAGES
## Team                    G    FTM   FTA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Johns Hopkins....... 11    204   271  .753
2.Ursinus.............      11    152   204  .745

FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team                     G     FG   FGA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall. 11    340   646  .526
2.Ursinus.............       11    289   595  .486

3-POINT FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team                     G     FG   FGA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall. 11     37    78  .474
2.Ursinus.............       11     74   197  .376

REBOUNDING OFFENSE
## Team                    G   Reb Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.Muhlenberg.......... 10   415  41.5
2.Dickinson...........     9   345  38.3

REBOUNDING DEFENSE
## Team                     G   Reb Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.Johns Hopkins.......  11   320  29.1
2.Franklin & Marshall. 11   331  30.1

SCORING
## Player-Team                 Cl  G   FG  3FG   FT  Pts Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------
1.Tim Kohlrus-WC...........   SR 11   66   16   55  203  18.5
2.John Noonan-UC...........  SR 11   73   23   32  201  18.3
3.Kizmahr Grell-DC.........    SR  9   52   14   41  159  17.7
4.James McNally-F&M........ SO 11   74    0   43  191  17.4

View the rest here http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm)

enjoy
















Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2009, 07:49:19 PM
Old Ends,
I'm scheduled to travel to McDaniel to see F&M tomorrow.  I've been to 9 of 11 games so far.
I'm working on plans to attend Haverford on Thursday and Muhlenberg for Saturday.  I figure I've seen well over 500 F&M games since 1966(pre-Robinson).  In the late 60's any wins over 5 was a fantastic season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 12, 2009, 07:56:53 PM
RS.. trust me when they say the older you get the less risk you take.. It is true.. I know when I was younger I did not think slowing down was an option. Naps are nice and needed. Still heading to FL in Feb to do some sailing.. not as much traffic on the ocean roads.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 12, 2009, 08:03:40 PM
F & M followers check D3 top 25 and smile  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 12, 2009, 09:58:30 PM


Folks -

The following are my selections for the 1/13 pick-ems:

F&M @ McDaniel:   F&M   (A close one due to athleticism. I think Dips 1st loss will be in Allentown in the dark shooting environment at Muhlenberg with the homer refs - a very tough place to play)

Haverford @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg   (Bullets are the stronger team. Ford have much to prove yet)

Swarthmore @ Usinus:   Usinus   (If Bears lose at home to the Garnet, it is likely to be a very long season in Collegeville!)

Washington @ Muhlenberg:   Muhlenberg   (Home court edge to the Mules - see note on the F&M game above)

Dickinson @ Johns Hopklins:   Johns Hopkins   (Should be a very close game - the Blue Jay will fly just a little bit faster and higher)

Good luck to all! Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 12, 2009, 11:42:01 PM
1/13 picks:

McDaniel
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Johns Hopkins

Quote from: old ends on January 12, 2009, 08:03:40 PM
F & M followers check D3 top 25 and smile  ;D

Not something I would have predicted in November - congrats to the Dips.  No more flying under the radar for Robinson's surging youngsters.

Looks like Gettysburg might also climb back into the Top 25 soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 13, 2009, 05:19:14 PM
Well this pick we all have the same 4 games pick the same the only game that is different is F & M at McDaniel. Could be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 13, 2009, 05:24:03 PM
Pick-ems for 1/15/09

F & M             at     Haverford
John Hopkins at  Muhlenberg
Swarthmore  at  Gettysburg
Ursinus          at  Dickinson
Washington  at  McDaniel

Make sure you Pick by tip off Thursday

Enjoy tonights games
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 13, 2009, 05:26:12 PM
Nice article about the 1973 Ursinus Basketball team.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=10473 (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=10473)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2009, 06:18:42 PM
Curious - does anyone on here actually talk about their teams, break down games they have gone to, and further analyze anything? Or is this just good for "picks"?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 13, 2009, 07:50:48 PM
Halftime in Westminster:

McDaniel 35, F&M 24

Terror holding the Dips to just 33% from the field; Milligan and Brooks are a combined 0-7.  Josh McKay has 12 for McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 13, 2009, 08:49:30 PM
McDaniel moves to 9-3 (4-1 CC) with a 66-57 win over F&M, ending the Dips' winning streak at 11.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 13, 2009, 10:23:26 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 13, 2009, 06:18:42 PM
Curious - does anyone on here actually talk about their teams, break down games they have gone to, and further analyze anything? Or is this just good for "picks"?

I thought the boards were for the fans.  I didn't know our actions would being critiqued.  There's a core of fans on this board who enjoy picking the winners.

Despite the concerns of an outsider, F&M/McDaniel was an ugly display of basketball.  Both teams played offensive offenses.(At times you just wanted to throw your hands up and look away}  McKay must've had a career night for McDaniel.  He played a very physical game on both ends of the court and didn't incur an whistles until late in the game.  By the time he received his first foul, he seemed like he had at least 10.  He reared himself into good positon for easy shots.  McDaniel played a very aggressive defense which caused F&M to never get into the flow of the game.
There was a lot of sloppy ball handling by both sides.  McDaniel did seem to have better ball movement.  McDaniel kept F&M from getting any clean looks at threes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2009, 10:27:45 PM
Sure, but there are even more people who would be interested in learning something about the teams. Myself included.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 13, 2009, 10:40:10 PM
Pick-ems for 1/15/09

F & M(hopefully they learned from their first loss)
Muhlenberg(home court should be enough of an advantage)
Gettysburg(still the class of the league, but I'll still pick F&M when they meet)
Dickinson(rebounding and home court should be enough to win)
McDaniel(should be a very physical game)

Sorry, Pat, but I can only tell you about F&M and their current opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 13, 2009, 11:10:39 PM
1/15 picks

Haverford (don't trust Dips on the road)
Muhlenberg (coin toss, came up home)
G-Burg (continues march to Appomattox)
Ursinus (Devils drop another must win tilt)
McDaniel (Will take out a whupping stick on Shoremen)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 13, 2009, 11:17:32 PM
Picks for 1/15
F&M ( Haverford playing well but F&M may be better at every position)
Mules (Hopkins has owned them of late but home court is enough for mules this time)
Gettysburg ( Too hard to pick Swat to win against a contender)
Ursinus ( still the champ although Dickinson is due to beat someone)
McDaniel ( Wash plays hard and scrappy but McDaniel is just too athletic)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2009, 04:55:17 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 13, 2009, 10:23:26 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 13, 2009, 06:18:42 PM
Curious - does anyone on here actually talk about their teams, break down games they have gone to, and further analyze anything? Or is this just good for "picks"?

I thought the boards were for the fans.  I didn't know our actions would being critiqued.  There's a core of fans on this board who enjoy picking the winners.

Despite the concerns of an outsider, F&M/McDaniel was an ugly display of basketball. 

OK - my comment had NOTHING to do with critiquing things, but it would be nice to hear people's opinions. I don't mind the picks, but when that is the only thing on here it is a bit frustrating.

As for the "outsider" comment, if that was directed at me, you are a bit off. While I certainly didn't attend a Centennial school, I wouldn't say I am an outsider. I see plenty of Centennial games during the season and know the coaches and SIDs pretty well. However, it is nice to hear from people about games they have seen, especially if I haven't gotten to a few in awhile.

It was simply a request!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 14, 2009, 08:27:12 AM
I think this is one of the more civil basketball blogs I have observed.  Try reading through the Northeast blog sometime and you will want to stick with this one.  I like thoughtful comments made in a civil manner.

My picks for 1/15

F&M                Could be a close
Muhlenberg     Home court
Gettysburg      No contest
Ursinus           A tough road contest for the Bears
McDaniel         Eke out a tough road win

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 10:20:06 AM
They're thoughtful comments but not very informative.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 14, 2009, 10:37:15 AM
Pick-ems for 1/15/09

F & M (will be motivated after first loss)           
Muhlenberg (going with the home team despite Blue Jays being on a roll)
Gettysburg (didn't have to think long about this one)
Dickinson (Need Kizmar and Corey Kenny to show up at home)
McDaniel (Coming off two good wins, McDaniel will win at home)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2009, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 14, 2009, 08:27:12 AM
I think this is one of the more civil basketball blogs I have observed.  Try reading through the Northeast blog sometime and you will want to stick with this one.  I like thoughtful comments made in a civil manner.

I agree.  Some of the boards have a large quantity of inane bantering.

Over the last few years, F&M seems to have a tendency to make bad, big centers look good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 14, 2009, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2009, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 14, 2009, 08:27:12 AM
I think this is one of the more civil basketball blogs I have observed.  Try reading through the Northeast blog sometime and you will want to stick with this one.  I like thoughtful comments made in a civil manner.

I agree.  Some of the boards have a large quantity of inane bantering.

Compared to what it used to be like, I think the CC board is much improved.  I've been reading it for a long time, and I remember that it was once called "slow as molasses" on the old site.  So, I think the pick 'ems have actually helped keep the board moving and fans involved.  There isn't hard analysis in every post, but there has been plenty this season.

I actually think it's a good thing that the people who run the website want to know more about this conference.  Maybe expressing frustration over the pick 'ems wasn't the right way to go about it, but it shows that people who vote in the Top 25 want our opinion.  If I were able to get to more F&M games (aside from Live Stats) I'd certainly contribute the way others have.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2009, 02:06:53 PM
Even before then, it used to have actual posters with actual posts and information.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on January 14, 2009, 03:53:09 PM
Hello all,

Have been following this blog and the Centennial Conference for a long time and decided to get involved...

1/13 F & M at McDaniel:
First of all it was an overall sloppy game... both teams combined for 40 TO's. McDaniel was on top right from the tip. F & M shot 8 of 24 for the first half against a defense that allowed them to get VERY FEW clean shots at the basket. F & M got no open shots in the first half, seemed like every attempt was a struggle. F & M was not the team they were drawn up to be at all! Glenn Robinson was obviously frustrated with his team and the referees. McDaniel's offense was very patient, as they have been all year. They would get the shot clock under 15 almost every possession and got a lot of second chance points. And as people have said before they had no answer for McKay. He would get the ball in the post, back down his man, and shoot right overtop of the defense. There is no doubt that McDaniel had the experience and the defense in this game holding a team that was averaging 82 to 57 points. and there is no doubt that F & M has some room to improve and will be GOOD the next couple of years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2009, 07:20:13 PM
Results for 1/13

UniqueNewYork     5  -  0
D.B.Cooper          5  -  0
Gabriel                5  -  0
r.w.mcnickels       5  -  0
old ends              5  -  0
Reserved Seat      4  -  1
Brce4                  4  -  1
Diplomanic1          4  -  1

Overall
Old ends              21  -  4  (.840)
Diplomanic1          18  -  7  (.720)
UniqueNewYork     17  -  8  (.680)
D.B.Cooper           17  -  8  (.680)
Gabriel                 13  -  7  (.650)
Reserved Seat      16  -  9  (.640)
r.w.mcnickels        16  -  9  (.640)
Brce4                   14  - 11 (.560)
Dipsetdynasty        8   -  2
ne-ball                    7  -   3

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2009, 07:35:15 PM
Dave-- I am 69 1/2 years old Live in the Valleys and Hills of western Maryland.  Can not get cable or satellite, still have a modem because even my cell phone will not work,unless I drive to the top of the local rise. Getting to the games in this weather is out of the question, so therefore I resort to live stats which run about 5 to 10 min behind the game. I forward the stats for all to read...local articles when I find them. This group of people in this board are respectible of others on this board.. Some of them have given insite to how they feel about their teams, ranked how they think they will finish.

Overall I enjoy this board. I use to live in New England and the board sometimes do not post on div3 topics, at least here we do even though it may not inlighten those who need more knowledge to obtain insite to the Conference.

Also doing the pick is somthing I enjoy, keeps me out of my bride's, of 49 years, hair.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2009, 07:57:29 PM
picks for 1/15

F & M--- 12.8 scoring margin
Muhlenberg--.374 defensive field goal percentage
Gettysburg---15.82 assists ave per game
Ursinus----.745 free throw percentage
McDaniel---59.9 ave/game scoring defense

the pick's and insite all at the same time
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
The stats are in upto and including games on the 13th

SCORING OFFENSE
## Team                      G   W-L   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall. 12  11-1   962  80.2
2.Washington..........   12   4-8   900  75.0

SCORING DEFENSE
## Team                  G   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.McDaniel............  12   719  59.9
2.Gettysburg.......... 11   668  60.7

BLOCKED SHOTS
## Team                  G  Blocks  Avg/G
-----------------------------------------
1.Muhlenberg.......... 11      55   5.00
2.Dickinson...........    10      43   4.30

ASSISTS
## Team                  G  Assists  Avg/G
------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall. 12      199  16.58
2.Gettysburg.......... 11      174  15.82

TURNOVER MARGIN
## Team                    G  TEAM   Avg  OPP   Avg Margin
--------------------------------------------------------
1.Washington.......... 12   160  13.3  230  19.2  +5.83
2.McDaniel............    12   165  13.8  212  17.7  +3.92

The rest here:http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confldrs.htm)

enjoy





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2009, 08:31:40 PM
Old Ends,
Thanks for your efforts.  This board has become more active and interesting since you started the pick-ems.
I'm set to go to Haverford to see F&M tomorrow.
The players seem to be very resilient and should be able to come back after yesterday's loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2009, 08:32:03 PM
News from yesterdays games

Gettysburg: http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2009/01/14/sports/gettysburg_college/doc496dd83c7db28663303066.txt (http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2009/01/14/sports/gettysburg_college/doc496dd83c7db28663303066.txt)


McDaniel: http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/14/sports/asports11408.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/14/sports/asports11408.txt)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2009, 08:36:38 PM
Dress for it.. very cold although I guess it may be 1 or 2 degree's warmer towards Phila area. The route 30 trip.. Have fun and thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: tucker1129 on January 14, 2009, 11:23:46 PM
I agree with you Terror, the game was pretty sloppy, but we have to give it to McDaniel for coming ready to play. McNally looked scared playing against the Terror's 6'8'' center.  McKay's presence in the post will definately hurt other teams if McDaniel utilizes their inside game, thus opening up the outside for the guards. The Terror outplayed the Dips defensively hands down. The green terror has progressed throughout the season thus far and I am definately looking forward to see how they match up against the rest of the "top" teams in the conference. I put my money on McDaniel for the conference. Its their time.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2009, 11:40:04 PM
Old ends,
   Feel free to use/adapt the RS for Centennial use. Sorry the weather/location inhibits your attendance at the games; check out MuleTV- I think Johns Hopkins is on tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 15, 2009, 11:11:45 AM
1/15 picks:

Haverford
Johns Hopkins
Gettysburg
Ursinus
McDaniel

McDaniel should continue to roll with a win over WC, but the Sho'men might hang tough like they did in Allentown.

It will be interesting to see how F&M responds to its first loss.  The Fords always seem to play bigger (and better) than they look on paper.  They have home wins against Catholic and McDaniel, and dominated the Dips in last year's second meeting.  The Dips need to get off to a quick start offensively to win this game, and I don't think they will.

Good to see some posters from McDaniel...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 15, 2009, 11:43:43 AM
Quote from: old ends on January 14, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
The stats are in upto and including games on the 13th

Old Ends,

I enjoy your input.  Keep it coming.  I look at the "Centennial Conference only" stats as being much more meaningful.  Several of the schools play "cupcake" preseason schedules to pad their W-L record while others play tough preseason schedules  to grow their teams.  Neither is right or wrong, just a difference in philosophy. Hence, the argument for the Centennial Conference only stats.






Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 15, 2009, 12:12:36 PM
Picks for Saturday 1/17/2009.  It's early but I am going with the home teams down the line

Muhlenberg     an upset in the dim gym
Gettysburg      Cousart is playing better but without Hilton to get
                        into Capkin's head and the lack of low post
                        presence makes a road win too difficult
McDaniel          Haverford is playing well, but a road win at McDaniel
                        will not happen
JHU                  No contest
Washington     Home court and the Shoremen are getting better
                                     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 15, 2009, 02:20:57 PM


Folks -

Due to work obligations, I will not be traveling to the Main Line to see F&M at Haverford. However, weather-permitting, I intend to make the trek to Allentown to see the Dips play in the dark "Mule Barn".

Here are my selections for the 1/15 Pick-Ems as follows:

F&M @ Haverford:   F&M. (Dips will rebound from tough loss ahead of tough game against the Mules in Allentown).

Johns Hopkins @ Muhlenberg:   Johns Hopkins. (OK, I will be the one to go out on the limb on this one. A Mules loss tonight will spell even more trouble for the Dips on Saturday).

Swarthmore @ Gettysburg:  Gettysburg. (Nothing more need be said).

Ursinus @ Dickinson:   Dickinson.   (I am picking against the tide again here. I will take the Devils in a close one due to their home court and height advantages. I think a win here may be the Devils' last chance to get back into the mix for the conference tournament).

Washington @ McDaniel:   McDaniel.  (Should be close. I just think the Terror is the better team unless they have a letdown after their win against the Dips).

Well, there they are! Good luck to all. Travel safely! Regards.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 15, 2009, 10:11:51 PM
Interesting results. Dickinson keeps hopes alive while the Ursinus continues to struggle. F&M wins another road test against troublesome Fords (who upended Terrors at home). Balanced scoring & minimal turnovers were good signs. Frosh Milligan played entire 40 minutes. Brooks & Selig seems to be recovering from their physical problems. Overall Dips are a year ahead of schedule. I would have taken a split on this 4 game punishing road trip at the start of the season, this is now guaranteed. If Dips can go into Memorial cave (Hall) & use Night-vision gear could they actually upset Mules in Allentown? So many Dip teams have run aground there to blemish a season. I think this was the site of the 1996 FF squads only regular season loss.
Most exciting of all is I may be able to get there this Saturday and see for myself if Dips are coming of age enough to win in the OK Corral.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 15, 2009, 10:23:18 PM
1/17 picks

Muhlenberg: disagree with Gabriel Mules are 2:1 favorites, Dips have slim chance but are the underdog
G-burg: not sure about this one as Bears have had the Bullets number for awhile
McDaniel: could be battle early on but Terrors will get even for loss on the Main Line
JHU: inevitable result
Washington: tough Sho'man losses may end at Devils expense
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 15, 2009, 11:36:27 PM
Picks for 1/17
Mules over F&M ( home court, Mules played tough in win tonight over JHU)
Ursinus (after tonight's loss, need a win and seem to get up for Gettysburg)
McDaniel ( too many athletes for a scrappy Haverford squad)
Hopkins(Swat continues to struggle)
Washington ( tough bunch will win at home although Dickinson had a big win tonight)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2009, 08:47:31 AM
F&M had much better ball movement, but still need to work on protecting the ball more.  Too many turnovers or almost turnovers hurt the offense.  Selig played a great game, even though he got called for questionable fouls.  Tolliver continues to play well.  Brooks did look much healthier, but he did take himself out on occasion.  Hopefully, F&M and continue their winning ways at Muhlenberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Buck Lateral on January 16, 2009, 10:31:14 AM
Sorry to go off-topic on you guys, but my son is looking to apply to a few Centennial Conference schools. He is interested in whether he can play both football and basketball. Does anyone know how much of an overlap exists between the end of the football season and beginning of basketball practice?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2009, 11:45:57 AM
There are players(currently and in the past) that have played both football and basketball at F&M.
There is some overlap, especially if the football team gets any play-off games(NCAA or ECAC).
It seems to have more of an effect during the freshman year, since the incoming player is not familiar with the system being used by the basketball coach.
F&M, also, has open competition for every position every year.  Current starters will have to earn their spot again in the fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2009, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Buck Lateral on January 16, 2009, 10:31:14 AM
Sorry to go off-topic on you guys, but my son is looking to apply to a few Centennial Conference schools. He is interested in whether he can play both football and basketball. Does anyone know how much of an overlap exists between the end of the football season and beginning of basketball practice?

Many thanks.

Basketball practice can begin on Oct. 15, according to Division III rules. Football season ends about four weeks later, give or take. He'll be very far behind the eight-ball as a freshman in basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 16, 2009, 12:36:11 PM
Centennial schools aren't allowed to begin practice until a week later than that, October 22.  I think the conference went to this rule a few years ago, when the presidents wanted a shorter practice season (and in theory, more focus on academics).

http://www.centennial.org/manual/PDF/2009/143-Playing-Practice.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2009, 12:38:01 PM
If he's applying to Moravian or Juniata then the Oct. 15 date would still apply, I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2009, 01:32:02 PM
Also, don't be surprised if the Centennial will revisit the practice and season start dates in the off-season. I know the Provident Pride Tournament is moving up a weekend and are waiting to see if the Centennial will allow an earlier start. That will allow the tournament to either play the first round games on a Wednesday or Thursday (can't remember) at other schools or be forced to play all the games on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday possibly at centrally located schools like they did the very first season. If the Centennial moves their season start dates up in November, they MAY move the practice start dates, too.

If the player is playing both football and basketball, he will have one advantage on the guys - conditioning. So what he will lose in terms of learning the system he will make up with in terms of not having to concentrate on getting into shape. That means more time focused on the details.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Buck Lateral on January 16, 2009, 02:21:49 PM
Thank you all for your input.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
Pick-ems

Franklin & Marshall(young, not bothered by the past)
Gettysburg(revenge)
McDaniel(too strong at home)
Johns Hopkins(Swarthmore still shows nothing)
Washington(Dickinson could win but haven't shown what kind of team they really are or could                           be)

Hopefully, I'll be at Muhlenberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 16, 2009, 05:03:47 PM
Results for 1/15

Reserved Seat     5  -  0
UniqueNewYork   5  -  0
Brce4                4  -  1
Gabriel              4  -  1
Old Ends            4  -  1
Diplomaniac1      4  -  1
D.B.Cooper         3  -  2
r.w.mcnickels      2  -  3

Overall

Old Ends            25  -  5 (.833)
UniqueNewYork   22  -  8 (.733)
Diplomaniac1      22  -  8 (.733)
Reserved Seat    21  -  9 (.700)
Gabriel               17  -  8 (.680)
D.B.Cooper        20 - 10 (.667)
Brce4                18 - 12 (.600)
r.w.mcnickels     18 - 12 (.600)
Dipsetdynasty     8  -  2
ne-ball                 7  -  3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 16, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Picks for 1/17/09 ( which most of you have sent--Thanks)

F & M       at  Muhlenberg
Ursinus    at  Gettysburg
Haverford at  McDaniel
Swarthmore  at John Hopkins
Dickinson  at Washington

By tip off tomorrow

again thanks for sending in advance

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 16, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Picks for 1/17

F & M - Got their mojo back
Gettysburg - home court adv
McDaniel--on a roll
Hopkins-- to strong for the fords
Dickinson--- has had Washington's number for many years, except the last game

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 16, 2009, 05:54:41 PM
I saw an interesting stat as posted by Ronk in the Lankmark Conference. So I ask if I could us it at he gave me the OK.

It will be called the Ronk Standings.

Centennial Standings                                                                                     
 
F & M             5  -  1   
Gettysburg    5  -  1                                                         McDaniel        5  -  1                                
John Hopkins 4  -  2                                 
Muhlenberg    3  -  3                           
Ursinus           3  -  3            
Dickinson       2  -  4                           
Haverford      2  -  4                           
Washington    1  -  5                     
Swarthmore   0  -  6   

Ronk Standings
                                   HW       HL       AW
F  &  M                          2                     3
Gettysburg                   3                     2
McDaniel                       3                    2
John Hopkins                2                     2
Muhlenberg                  3           1
Ursinus                        3           1
Dickinson                     1           2         1
Haverford                    1           2         1
Washington                             2          2
Swarthmore                             3

HW--home wins
HL-- home loses
AW-away  wins

                     
Now you can see that F & M has played 6 games but the Ronk only shows 5 games. that is because the lost at McDaniel. It will make it easier to see the team records at home and away.

After this they will be ranked by home wins, for ronk. I put it this way so you could see the format.

Enjoy and thanks Ronk
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 16, 2009, 06:31:58 PM
Picks for 1/17/09

F & M  (Need Scovill and Baker to step up for Dips to win a tough road game)
Gettysburg (Bullets take advantage of road-weary and wounded Bears)
McDaniel (Green Terror are starting to roll)
John Hopkins (Swat is going to struggle to win a conference game)
Washington (Dickinson is feeling too good after their win over Ursinus, will not play well after a long drive to Chestertown)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 16, 2009, 08:22:15 PM



Fellow Centennial Fans -

Here are my selections for the 1/17 Pick-Ems:

F&M @ Muhlenberg:   F&M. (Dips win a close one due to their athleticism with Brooks returning to form. This will tell us alot about the Dips and how good they can be if they are able to win in a place where they hardly ever win!)

Ursinus @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg. (Due to Bear injuries, the Bullets may finally get the monkey off of their back. Also home court advantage.)

Haverford @ McDaniel:  McDaniel. (Still can't be sure about the Fords. Besides, the Terror is pretty good at home.)

Swarthmore @ Johns Hopkins:  Johns Hopins. (Another long season for Swat! Nothing more to say here except that I don't know how the Garnet's coach has kept his job all these years!)

Dickinson @ Washington:   Dickinson. (I am out on limb here again with the Devils. However, they may have too much height for the Shoremen. Perhaps, the Devils are finally turning the corner and realizing their potential?)

Enjoy the games! Good luck to all. Maybe those of us prognosticators who are going to the "Mule Barn" should meet and say hello to each other at halftime? Please advise.

Travel safely. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 16, 2009, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 15, 2009, 10:11:51 PM
Overall Dips are a year ahead of schedule. I would have taken a split on this 4 game punishing road trip at the start of the season, this is now guaranteed. If Dips can go into Memorial cave (Hall) & use Night-vision gear could they actually upset Mules in Allentown? So many Dip teams have run aground there to blemish a season. I think this was the site of the 1996 FF squads only regular season loss.
Most exciting of all is I may be able to get there this Saturday and see for myself if Dips are coming of age enough to win in the OK Corral.

I also would have taken a split on this road trip before the season.  But when they jumped out to an 11-0 record, I wanted a 3-1 trip.  Unfortunately, I don't think the Mules will let it happen.

Memorial Hall has been one big landmine for F&M.  Aside from the '96 loss D.B. already mentioned (when the Dips were 19-0), the '95 team took a 25-0 record to Allentown for the CC title game and suffered a heartbreaking defeat.  So, two straight years the Mules upset highly ranked and undefeated F&M teams in the Dungeon.  This is not to mention the many losses suffered by unranked F&M teams in Allentown in recent years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 16, 2009, 09:30:56 PM
1/17 picks:

Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Johns Hopkins
Dickinson

I don't think Dickinson will get swept by Washington.  Gettysburg finally gets past the reeling Bears.

If the Dips had trouble with McKay in Westminster, how can they stop Barnes and Liddic?  I think James McNally will end up being one of F&M's best post men of all time, but his defense needs to improve.  If the Mules use the trapping defense they used toward the end of the game in Lancaster, it could be a long day for the Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 16, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Diplomaniac
     The Swarthmore Coach is a very good coach they are just undermanned year in and year out. While all of the conference schools have relatively high admissions criteria, Swat gets no help from admissions and loses recruits that other centennial schools can get. The question shouldn't be how he keeps his job but why would he want to given the obstacles to success. But he can coach, they run good stuff and always play hard.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 08:49:06 AM
Brce4

I will agree with you about Swarthmore. All Centennial Conference teams in all sports are limited. I have meet with all of the Presidents,over the years, and even though they hear the coach's complaints, academics comes first. Then when they get a super student and super athlete, the money issue comes up. Grant money is drying up. Government loans are getting harder and harder and some schools are limiting those also.

But that is the way it is not only for Centennial, but most of all the DIV III Colleges and Univ. as Pat stated.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
A triple double for Remy Cousart against Swarthmore on the 13th.

here are the stats
HOME TEAM: Ursinus 7-5, 3-2 CC
                                      TOT-FG  3-PT              REBOUNDS
## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
10 Keith Page.......... f      4-10    0-1        0-0     2   3    5    2   8   1  2    2  1  18
23 Matt Howell......... f      6-10   0-0         1-2    0    2    2   1  13   0  1   2  1  15
03 Remy Cousart........ g    6-8    2-3         0-1    1   10  11    1  14  11   2   0  2     24

Nice game
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 17, 2009, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: BRCE4 on January 16, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Diplomaniac
     The Swarthmore Coach is a very good coach they are just undermanned year in and year out. While all of the conference schools have relatively high admissions criteria, Swat gets no help from admissions and loses recruits that other centennial schools can get. The question shouldn't be how he keeps his job but why would he want to given the obstacles to success. But he can coach, they run good stuff and always play hard.

BRCE4

I agree with you, however, Swarthmore should have been better last year with McCormick and the other talent they had.  I fault the coach for that.  Basketball is not on the front burner for most of these college Presidents and academic standards remain high-----as they should.  I mentioned before that Ursinus did not have a full time basketball coach until about three years ago.  They still do not have a full time paid assistant coach---- since Joe Rulewich moved on. 

As an indicator of where basketball stood in the sports hierarchy at Ursinus;  in 2003; the Bears had, arguably, their best team to date----including Luciano, Erfle, Stanton and McGarvey in the starting line up.  They won the conference undefeated and were ranked first in the region but could not host because the AD had failed to file the necessary "hosting" paperwork.  They had to play at Scranton in a very hostile environment and lost a very close game.  That is an indicator of the status of basketball, or sports in general, at some of these institutions.

Regarding the rules on first practices, it is my understanding that practice can start on October 15 but the first week must be without basketballs. Make sense?  Not to me but then, I prefer basketball with basketballs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 17, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
Gabriel
     Thanks for reminding us of the first week of practice is without basketballs. Can somebody please explain that concept to me. If you are going to be in the gym then what purpose is served by no basketballs. If you want to start a week later for academic reasons then start a week later but nothing is gained by this rather foolish rule.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 02:43:20 PM
At the half

F & M  32    Muhlenberg  30
Ursinus 33  Gettysburg 31

Other games have not started
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 03:27:51 PM
WOW --- F & M wins by 1
F & M 60    Muhlenberg 59
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 03:41:46 PM
Gettysburg 73    Ursinus 68

Powers 28pts  Dorsey 26 pts for Gettysburg
Noonan 22pts  Cousart 15 pts for Ursinus

Ursinus 20 turnovers

McDaniel 25  Haverford 18  at the half
John Hopkins 36  Swarthmore 23 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 03:47:53 PM
John Hopkins shooting 46% from the floor and 83% of 3pt trys
Swarthmore shooting 33% from the floor and 25% of 3pt trys

john Hopkins 11 pts off turnovers and 16 bench points

McDaniel shooting 39% from the floor and 33% of 3pt trys
Haverford shooting 29% from the floor and 0%(0-3) of 3pt trys

Neither team shooting well from the foul strip

half time stats
Dickinson at Washington starting at 4pm
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 04:51:34 PM
McDaniel 62   Haverford 51
18-37 on the floor 5 - 14 3pt shoots for McDaniel
18-48 on the floor 0-6 3pt shoots for Haverford



John Hopkins 60   Swarthmore 48
Hopkins  22-53 from the floor 7-16 3pt shots
Swarthmore 18-51 from the floor 3-16 3 pt shots


one game to go



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 04:57:54 PM
At the half

Washington 33  Dickinson 22

Washington shooting 40% from the floor 2-11 on 3pts
Dickinson shooting 31% from the floor 0-3 on 3pt

Dickinson has 2 players with 3 fouls and 1 with 2
Washington has 3 players with 2 fouls

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2009, 07:33:48 PM
Exciting game in Allentown
The Mules took a desperation last shot at the buzzer from about half-court and missed.
F&M left the court with a one-point victory, but any win in Allentown is a good one for F&M who has a history of losing a lot of games in the old gym.
The big men on both sides missed a lot of shots.
There were relatively few fouls called.(F&M 15-Muhlenberg 14)
McNally came up big when necessary.
Not many threes from F&M.
Big game at Mayser on Wednesday--Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 08:56:26 PM
results from 1/17/09 pick-ems

Reserved Seat     5  -  0
UniqueNewYork    5  -  0   good job  to both of you

Gabriel                 4  -  1
D.B.Cooper           4  -  1
Old Ends              4  -  1
Diplomaniac1        4  -  1
Brce4                  3  -  2
r.w.mcnickels       3  -  2

Overall
Old ends              29  -  6  (.828)
UniqueNewYork     27  -  8  (.771)
Reserved Seat      26  -  9  (.743)
Diplomaniac1        26  -  9  (.743)
Gabriel                 21  -  9  (.700)
D.B.Cooper           24  - 11 (.686)
Brce4                  21  - 14 (.600)
r.w.mcnickels         21 -  14 (.600)
dipsetdynasty          8  -  2
ne-ball                   7  -  3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 09:07:28 PM
Ronk Standings
                      HW     HL    AW
McDaniel         4        0       2
Gettysburg      4        0       2
John Hopkins    3        0       2
F & M             2        0       4
Ursinus           3        1       0
Muhlenberg     3        2       0
Washington    1        2       2
Dickinson        1        2       1
Haverford       1        2       1
Swarthmore    0       3       0

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 17, 2009, 09:13:42 PM
Pick-ems for 1/21/09

Gettysburg               @   Franklin & Marshall
John Hopkins            @   McDaniel
Muhlenberg               @  Dickinson
Haverford                 @   Ursiinus
Swarthmore              @  Washington

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2009, 10:03:27 PM
Old Ends,
I think the Centennial Conference site has the F&M/Gettysburg game backwards.
According to F&M's schedule, the game is a home game for F&M.

Also, how does the ronk standings work?  Shouldn't an away win be worth more than a home win?  I assume a home loss is bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 17, 2009, 10:05:05 PM
1/21 picks:

F&M
McDaniel
Dickinson
Ursinus
Washington

Going with the home teams on Wednesday.  Gettysburg attempted 33 "threes" today against Ursinus, while F&M took just three against the Mules -- could be quite a contrast in style in the titanic battle at Mayser Center.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2009, 10:10:40 PM
Pick-ems for 1/21/09

Franklin & Marshall(This game should indicate if F&M is for real)
McDaniel(strong at home)
Dickinson(need to win at home, but could be closr
Ursinus(should have to beat Haverford at home
Washington(it would be a shocker if Swarthmore wins)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 17, 2009, 10:40:44 PM
Could the key clash in ?Lancaster on Wednesday be between 2 ranked teams? #26 Bullets won 3 big games & Dips went 2 and 1 on the road since the last Poll in three rather tough venues. I Saw the game in Allentown which can only be described as a brutal scrap. The Mules have one heck on a rookie in Liddic. He is very athletic & has a superb touch around the basket that you don't see in a freshman. If this is the level he typically plays at then the Mules have a bright future next year & maybe to a degree this year as they may take some of the contender's scalps.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 18, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
1/21 picks

F&M (Gettysburg's record is good but they are not playing as a team)
McDaniel (don't think the Terror will lose at home this year)
Dickinson (they are a different team at home)
Ursinus (starting to get it together, hope it's not too late)
Washington (Garnet will not win a conference game this year)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: tucker1129 on January 18, 2009, 11:14:30 AM
My picks for this week.

McDaniel
Gettysburg
Dickinson
Ursinus
Washington

I was at the McDaniel/Haverford game last night. Not an interesting game to watch. The refs were terrible on both ends of the court. Haverfords 1-3-1 defense hurt McDaniel's inside game but miguel jones connected with some 3's. 21 turnovers for McDaniel and 16 for Haverford. Guys were throwing the ball away left and right. Haverford is always a scrappy team but McDaniel was able to pull through. Looking forward to the big game Wed vs Hopkins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 18, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Picks for 1/21
F&M (Should be a good game but F&M will be hard to beat at home)
McDaniel(May be the most athletic team in league and home court)
Mules(2 teams that need a conference win but Dickinson is really struggling)
Ursinus(remarkably, Ursinus needs a win)
Wash(improving Shoremen will win at home)
     As we near playoff time it should be very interesting. I have seen every team and on any given day anything can happen. The talent gap is close with the exception of Swat and a couple of pretty good teams won't even make the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 18, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
1/21 picks

G-burg (anybody's game)
McDaniel (Jays could upset)
Dickinson (Mules are on the road but Devils are imploding)
Ursinus (should win)
Washington (SWAT will upset Fords if anybody)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2009, 01:50:15 PM
Quote from: old ends on January 17, 2009, 09:07:28 PM
Ronk Standings
                      HW     HL    AW
McDaniel         4        0       2
Gettysburg      4        0       2
John Hopkins    3        0       2
F & M             2        0       4
Ursinus           3        1       0
Muhlenberg     3        2       0
Washington    1        2       2
Dickinson        1        2       1
Haverford       1        2       1
Swarthmore    0       3       0



   Assuming this info is correct, than the RS would be

F&M                         4 - 0
McDaniels                2 - 0
Gettysburg              2 - 0
Johns Hopkins         2 - 0
Washington            2 - 2
Ursinus                    0 - 1
Dickinson                 1 - 2
Haverford                 1 - 2
Muhlenberg              0 - 2
Swarthmore              0 - 3 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 18, 2009, 06:48:17 PM
Ronk
I did some changes but your changes are totaly incorrect.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 18, 2009, 06:57:23 PM
So of the news from yesterdays games

McDaniel: http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/18/sports/msports011809.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/18/sports/msports011809.txt)

F & M: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232764 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232764)

Gettysburg: http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2009/01/17/sports/gettysburg_college/doc49707ad3e80aa411871829.txt (http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2009/01/17/sports/gettysburg_college/doc49707ad3e80aa411871829.txt)

enjoy

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2009, 04:58:39 PM
Looks like one of the major differences in game plans for F&M and Gettysburg is the percentage of shots taken from 3-point range.
Gettysburg takes about 33% of their shots from beyond the arc(239/660)
F&M takes just over 10% of their shots from 3-point range(92/803)
Gettysburg's big men have many more blocks.
This should be an interesting game between two different styles.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2009, 05:08:14 PM
Saturday 1/24/2009 picks

Dickinson---defeats JHU at home.  Could go either way
F&M---over McDaniel in a close one at F&M
Gettysburg---on the road over Haverford.  Too many weapons.
Washington---at home over Muhlenberg
Ursinus---on the road over Swat

Game of the week, F&M and McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2009, 05:16:12 PM
Monday, 1/26/2009 picks

McDaniel---over Dickinson on the road
Ursinus---over F&M on the road
Gettysburg---over JHU on the road
Washington---over Haverford at Washington
Muhlenberg---over Swat on the road

Dickinson could beat McDaniel if they all show up an play their "A" game

Ursinus over  F&M will depend on how well the Bears take care of the ball and block out on the boards.

Still waiting for Gettysburg to start playing as a team.  Dorsey and Capkin seem to have their own agenda.  Powers is a force and their best player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
Game of the Week

F&M/Gettysburg--a long-time rivalry

F&M/McDaniel--game of the weekend
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 19, 2009, 07:21:40 PM
To all: Reserved Seat is correct... Gettysburg is at F & M. It is an away game for F & M on 2/18.

Our Conference made a type-o. I Know how that feels done it many of time.. So the Pick-em has been corrected.

Gabriel-- you are picking ahead,, I will let you change them pryor to tip off if you wish..

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 19, 2009, 07:33:44 PM
Stats will now only reflect Conference stats only.. Helps to make a better comparison vs overall stats

SCORING OFFENSE
## Team                       G   W-L   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------------
1.Ursinus.............        7   3-4   529  75.6
2.Franklin & Marshall.  7   6-1   517  73.9

SCORING DEFENSE
## Team                  G   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.Gettysburg..........  7   431  61.6
2.McDaniel............    6   371  61.8

FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team                      G     FG   FGA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall.  7    194   371  .523
2.Ursinus.............        7    186   379  .491

BLOCKED SHOTS
## Team                    G  Blocks  Avg/G
-----------------------------------------
1.McDaniel............     6      34   5.67
2.Muhlenberg..........  7      38   5.43

ASSISTS
## Team                      G  Assists  Avg/G
------------------------------------------
1.Gettysburg..........      7      107  15.29
2.Franklin & Marshall.  7      106  15.14

STEALS
## Team                      G  Steals  Avg/G
-----------------------------------------
1.McDaniel............       6      67  11.17
2.Franklin & Marshall.  7      64   9.14

3-POINT FIELD GOALS MADE
## Team                   G   3FG  Avg/G
---------------------------------------
1.Ursinus.............     7    50   7.14
2.Gettysburg..........  7    38   5.43

SCORING
## Player-Team                    Cl  G   FG  3FG   FT  Pts Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------
1.John Noonan-UC...........         7   49   17   32  147  21.0
2.Andrew Powers-GC......... SO  7   52    3   34  141  20.1
3.James McNally-F&M........ SO   7   49    0   31  129  18.4
4.Kizmahr Grell-DC......... SR      7   39   10   33  121  17.3
5.Tim Kohlrus-WC........... SR     7   27    6   53  113  16.1
6.Peter Barnes-MUHL........ JR   7   45    0   21  111  15.9
7.Spencer Liddic-MUHL...... FR  7   42    2   22  108  15.4
8.Alan Kines-WC............ JR      7   32   10   31  105  15.0
9.Tom Leszczynski-DC....... SR  7   42    1   18  103  14.7
10.Danny Walker-SWAT...... JR  7   37    5   19   98  14.0

http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm)

enjoy









Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 19, 2009, 07:38:41 PM
Picks for 1/21

F & M  home team adv
John Hopkins-- just a feeling
Muhlenberg-- another feeling, Dickinson just not getting it done
Ursinus-next question
Washington-same answer

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2009, 07:51:40 PM
Gettysburg(22) versus Franklin and Marshall(24) --according to the new rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 19, 2009, 07:55:57 PM
Tucker1129 welcome to the board..

2 teams in the top 25--nice.. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 20, 2009, 08:20:07 PM
Congrats to Andrew Powers Gettysburg as the Conference player of the week:

The rest can b viewed here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_119.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_119.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 21, 2009, 11:03:45 AM
Pick-ems for 1/21/09

Franklin & Marshall (Let's give Chris Rogers some credit when Dips pull out big win)
McDaniel (Green Terror's inside game too much for the Blue Jays)
Muhlenberg  (Red Devils are going to start collapsing down the stretch)
Ursiinus (Bears will get the victory at home)
Washington (Still can't see Swat winning a conference game)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 21, 2009, 12:19:40 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for the 1/21 Pick-Ems:

Gettysburg @ F&M:   F&M. (Should be a really close game and very important one still early in Centennial Conference play. I am making this choice with my heart and giving the edge to the Dips at home.)

Johns Hopkins @ McDaniel:   McDaniel.   (I think the Terror have too much speed, athleticism, and physicality for the Jays at home. Will probably be a close game.)

Muhelnberg @ Dickinson:   Dickinson.  (I am going against the flow with this pick. It is probably the last chance for an under-performing Devils squad to get back into the thick of things in the Conference. Not to mention the fact that the Mules always do not play as well on the road. Should be a very physical inside game - Barnes and Liddic vs. Leczinski.)

Ursinus @ Haverford:   Ursinus.  (I still don't know what to make of these two squads. Bears probably have better talent and depth than the Fords. They will also have the home court advantage. I don't expect a wide margin of victory.)

Swarthmore @ Washington:   Washington.    (Shoremen at home should overwhelm the Garnet who may go winless in the Conference).

I can't travel to Mayser Center tonight due to job. I expect it will be a large crowd to see this game. Enjoy the games. Good luck to all! Regards,

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 21, 2009, 12:25:31 PM


Folks -

Welcome aboard to our new fellow prognosticator - Tucker1129! Enjoy the contest and comradery. We are looking forward to hearing your insights and opinions.

Does anyone know what happened to our other two early-season pickers, Dipsetdynasty and ne-ball?

Bring on the games! Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 21, 2009, 02:33:59 PM
F&M is hoping for a big crowd tonight.

This is the hype on the F&M site:

There are basketball games, and then there are basketball games that are circled on your calendar year-in and year-out. F&M vs. Gettysburg falls under the latter.

I'll be in my seat.
Too bad you can't make it, Eric.

It will be interesting to see how F&M handles Gettysburg's bombing it away from outside.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 21, 2009, 07:02:23 PM
The only thing I can think is that ne-ball and Dipsetdynasty are students who may have just gotten back to class this week. let's hope that is the case

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 21, 2009, 07:21:21 PM
I know this has nothing to do with DIV III, but I could not let it go.
Coaches on all levels and sports have to deal with enough. Read the attached and ask your self would you be able to handle it.

http://www.courant.com/sports/other/hc-doyoubelieve0121.artjan21,0,6008937.story (http://www.courant.com/sports/other/hc-doyoubelieve0121.artjan21,0,6008937.story)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 21, 2009, 09:51:17 PM
Very entertaining game at F&M.
The score was 68-66(Gettysburg) with 20 seconds to go.  F&M was unable to get back in the game after that.  Having to foul and shoot threes, the final score ended up 73-66.
The game was well officiated despite the whining of an obnoxious fan from Gettysburg.(Gettysburg shot 16-19 from the line and F&M 4-7)  I don't know what he was whining about.  The officials did the nice job of calling the game fairly.  Gettysburg got six of their foul shots in the last 20 seconds.
Otherwise the crowd was well controlled and enjoyed the play of both teams.
Powers played an excellent game and is definitely the key player on their team. 
Gettysburg started 4 seniors, and F&M had none starting.
From three range Gettysburg was 9 for 19(close to their normal pace).  F&M was 4 for 11 including  about  4 desperation shots in the last 20 seconds.
F&M protected the ball much better than usual.  Milligan had only a few lapses protecting the game and penetrated well with the ball.
Brooks' athletic presence was all over the court.

F&M started strong and built a 28-18 before Gettysburg went on a 13-0 run.  Gettysburg was ahead by one at the half.
Hopefully the next game at Gettysburg will be played as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 22, 2009, 08:13:46 PM
Results for 1/21

Tucker1129          4  -  1
Brce4                  4  -  1
D.B.Cooper          4  -  1
UniqueNewYork    4  -  1
r.w.mcnickels       3  -  2
Reserved Seat     3  -  2
Gabriel                3  -  2
Old Ends             3  -  2
Diplomaniac1       3  -  2

Overall

Old ends            32  -  8  (.800)
UniqueNewYork   31  -  9  (.775)
Reserved Seat    29  - 11 (.725)
Diplomaniac1      29  - 11 (.725)
D.B.Cooper         28  - 12 (.700)
Brce4                25  - 15 (.625)
r.w.mcnickels      24  - 16 (.600)
Gabriel               24  - 16 (.600)
Tucker1129           4  -  1
Dipsetdynasty       8  -  2
ne-ball                  7  -  3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 22, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
Pick-em for 1/24

Gettysburg      at   Haverford
McDaniel          at  F & M
John Hopkins   at  Dickinson
Muhlenberg     at  Washington
Ursinus            at  Swarthmore

need by tip off Saturday

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 22, 2009, 08:33:08 PM
Nice article about the McDaniel team

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/22/sports/asports012209.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/22/sports/asports012209.txt)

For those of you not in the Lancaster area and article about last night's game

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232911 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/232911)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 22, 2009, 09:01:14 PM
See how your team ranks in the nation and your teams players

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary (http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 22, 2009, 10:13:31 PM
Pick-em for 1/24

Gettysburg (solid team)
F & M(shouldn't get mugged twice)
John Hopkins(still haven't figured out Dickinson-they're killing my picks)
Washington(play tough at home)
Ursinus(more than enough to overwhelm Swarthmore)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 22, 2009, 10:37:08 PM
1/24 picks

G-burg (Fords could keep it respectable)
F&M (Depends how its officiated, home shouldn't hurt)
Dickinson (due to hold serve in Carlisle)
Washington (Sho'man hold off Mules, Liddic & Barnes get in foul trouble)
Ursinus (tough year to be a Garnet fan, could be close for a half)


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 23, 2009, 07:59:43 AM
Picks for 1/24
Gettysburg( Haverford scrappy and at home but Gettysburg on a roll)
F&M ( If McDaniel wins this one, they are for real as a possible champ)
Dickinson (Pretty good 2-6 team I think they win this one)
Mules ( Can they win 2 in a row on the road)
Ursinus (Swat is undermanned this year)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 23, 2009, 04:50:44 PM

Folks -

Here are my selections for the 1/24 pick-ems tomorrow:

Gettysburg @ Haverford:   Gettysburg. (The Bullets have more talent than the Fords. THey should win on the road unless they have a huge letdown after Wednesday night's big game at Mayser Center).

McDaniel @ F&M:   F&M. (Dips should win at home as payback for their first loss in Westminster. Now that the students are back, Mayser Center is a big advantage. A healthy Brooks with his quickness and athleticism should make a big difference).

Johns Hopkins @ Dickinson:   Johns Hopkins. (Will the real Red Devils team ever arrive? Although Kline is a tough place to play, I will take the road team here).

Muhlenberg @ Washington:   Washington. (A tough one to pick. Cain Center is a tough place to play. So, give the edge to home team over a perrenially weak road team).

Ursinus @ Swarthmore:   Ursinus.  (The long season in Collegeville continues without a win in sight!).

I plan to be at Mayser for the clash between the Dips and the Terror. Enjoy
the games. Goos luck to all! Regards,

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 23, 2009, 09:58:24 PM
Pick-em for 1/24

Gettysburg (Bullets are rolling after big win over Dips)
McDaniel (Home court is not enough to make up for youthful Dips)
Dickinson (Leszcynski needs to actually show up, very disappointed in the Devils this year)
Washington (Don't have a good read on either team)
Ursinus (Swat doesn't stand a chance now with Walker out for 2 weeks)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2009, 08:22:32 AM
Picks for 1/24

Gettysburg
McDaniel
John Hopkins
Washington
Ursinus



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 24, 2009, 11:34:47 AM
1/24 picks:

Gettysburg
F&M
Dickinson
Muhlenberg
Ursinus

Not sure about picking the Dips over the Terror -- could be a low-scoring game that comes down to a defensive stop (or a big shot) in the last minute.  I think the Mules will start making a run toward the playoffs with a second straight road win.  And Dickinson will continue its Jekyll and Hyde act with a victory over Hopkins, a team they almost beat in Baltimore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2009, 04:31:15 PM
If anyone can say upset, it is taking place at Haverford..
With 2 min to go Haverford up 44-37

Gettysburg has 27 turnovers and shooting 36.4% from the floor
unreal
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2009, 04:48:52 PM
Ursinus won 79 - 63

                         UC                 SWAT
Field goals     34-64 53.1%    22-56 39.3%
3-point FGs      6-17 35.3%    7-19 36.8%
Free throws     5-10 50.0%   12-17 70.6%
Reb       (O-D)  40 (10-30)     24 (4-20)
Turnovers        13                  11

Ursinus (8-7, 4-4 CC) 
Player                 FG    3FG  FT   Reb  A  F Pts
Matt Howell  f     4-9   0-0  0-0   2    2  3 8
Remy Cousart  g   9-13 1-2  0-0   9   4  1 19
Keith Page  g      6-9   0-1 1-2    6   3  1 13
Eric Burnett  g     2-6  1-5  0-0    2   1  2  5
John Noonan  g  5-10  2-3  2-2   6    3 0 14
Mike Walther      1-3   0-1 1-4    4    0 4   3
Kevin McGarvey  2-3   1-2 0-0    3    3 1   5
JJ Rapczynski     2-3    1-2 1-2    1    1 2   6

Swarthmore (1-13, 0-8 CC) 
Player                      FG   3FG   FT   Reb  A   F  Pts
Sam Lacy f              6-13 2-5  2-2   3     1   1  16
Raul Ordonez  f         2-5  1-2  5-8    7     1  2  10
Andrew Greenblatt g 1-4 0-0 1-2   2     1   3  3
Matt Allen g             3-11 1-5 2-3   2      6  0   9
Ryan Carmichael g   3-10 1-3 2-2   2     1  2   9
Hoover Long             4-6 0-0 0-0   3     2   1   8
Marc Rogalski          3-7   2-4 0-0   3     0   2   8





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2009, 04:53:11 PM
At any time any team in this conference can beat any other team...

Haverford 56   Gettysburg 45

                      GC                    Haverford
Field goals   14-41 34.1%     17-46 37.0%
3-point FGs   5-23 21.7%        2-5 40.0%
Free throws 12-20 60.0%     20-30 66.7%
Reb (O-D)      32 (9-23)          30 (9-21)
Turnovers     28                       15


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2009, 06:23:09 PM
Results for 1/24 picks

Reserved Seat     4  -  1
Diplomaniac1       4  -  1
Gabriel                3  -  2
D.B.Cooper          3  -  2
Brce4                 3  -  2
Old ends             3  -  2
UniqueNewYork    2  -  3
r.w.mcnickels       2  -  3

Overall
Old Ends            35  -  10  (.778)
Reserved Seat    33  -  12  (.733)
Diplomaniac1      33  -  12  (.733)
UniqueNewYork   33  -  12  (.733)
D.B.Cooper         31  -  14  (.689)
Brce4                28  -  17  (.622)
Gabriel               27  -  18  (.600)
r.w.mcnickels      26  -  19  (.578)
Tucker1129           4  -   1
Dipsetdynasty        8  -  2
ne-ball                  7  -  3

The Gettysburg loss kept a few from being perfect this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2009, 06:25:59 PM
Pick-em's for 1/26/09

Haverford     at    Washington
Muhlenberg  at    Swarthmore
Ursinus         at    Franklin & Marshall
John Hopkins at   Gettysburg
McDaniel        at   Dickinson

By tip-off Monday thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2009, 06:34:29 PM
Picks for 1/26/09

Washington
Muhlenberg
F & M
Gettysburg
McDaniel

Hopkins- Gettysburg should be a good close game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 24, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
Another nail-biter in Lancaster.
F&M won a game that they would have lost last year.  This team doesn't fold up when the opponent makes a run at them.
McDaniel played a good game their defense was tight.  They only allowed one 3 pointer.
F&M continues to have problems protecting the ball, but has several athletic players who can redeem their turnovers.
Jones shot well for McDaniel.
McKay again caused fits under the basket for the young F&M interior players.
Brooks and Milligan give F&M a good guard combo.
Despite a severely sprained ankle, Selig continues to provide valuable minutes.  As long as he is able to spell McNally and Brooks, F&M has decent play from their big men.
Balderston helps out defensively, unfortunately he needs to be 3 inches taller to compete under the offensively under the basket.
Scovill was the key player to have on the line at the end of the game.

Working on my picks for Monday.
Go Dips!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 24, 2009, 11:04:11 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 24, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
Another nail-biter in Lancaster.

I agree, Reserved...what a white knuckle game.

McDaniel is a very tough defensive team.  With a go-to scoring threat, the Green Terror could be the best team in the conference.  Somehow F&M managed to shoot 55% from the field, but it didn't seem like it.  Baker played a terrific game, displaying several nice post moves to go along with his solid jumper.  Milligan continues to impress -- maybe the most talented and mature freshman I've seen at F&M.

Did Gettysburg have a letdown after the F&M game?  An experienced team that played in the Sweet 16 last year should be able to crack 50 points against Haverford.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: tucker1129 on January 25, 2009, 02:54:18 AM
Picks  for 1/26/09

McDaniel
Haverford
Franklin & Marshall
Gettsburg
Muhlenberg


I was in Lancaster though and was that a game or what. Franklin and Marshall played well and sadly  Mcdaniel had a very off night. Mckay and Jones came ready to play but on the court McDaniel is missing one more experienced big man. Arrington's true position is as not as a post man and baker simply out played him. McDaniel did not seem like their normal self but this loss will not hurt them in the long run, if anything it will hopefully fuel the fire.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 25, 2009, 08:33:35 AM
Picks for Monday night
Washington ( Too tough at home for the Fords)
Mules ( Bad road team just too big for Swat should be close)
F&M ( Good team and even better at home)
Gettysburg ( Will bounce back at home)
McDaniel ( hard to pick Dickinson right now, I thought they would be better)
Has been an interesting season so far. F&M and McDaniel are a little bit ahead of schedule, Gettysbueg is not as dominant as expected, Ursinus really hurt by injury to a key player. Washington and Haverford have overachieved, Hopkins is about where expected and Dickinson and Muhlenberg have disappointed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 25, 2009, 09:32:34 AM
Here what their saying about Sat. games

Haverford http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/story.php?id=15611&u=3 (http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/story.php?id=15611&u=3)

F & M http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233040 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233040)

Dickinson: http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/01/25/sports/local/doc497bf8b2ae10f018099457.txt (http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/01/25/sports/local/doc497bf8b2ae10f018099457.txt)
Congrats to Tom Leszczynski on getting his 1000th point

Washington: http://washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09muhlenberg2.html (http://washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09muhlenberg2.html)

enjoy






Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2009, 01:49:46 PM
Pick-em's for 1/26/09

Washington(hard to pick against Haverford since they beat both Gettysburg and McDaniel, but
                    Washington is at home)
Muhlenberg(should have more than enough to beat the Garnet)
Franklin & Marshall(strong at home and improving game by game)
Gettysburg(how did they lose to Haverford-should dominant most teams especially at home)
McDaniel(haven't seen Dickinson yet, but expected much more--usually I would pick them to     
               win at home)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on January 26, 2009, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: UniqueNewYork on January 23, 2009, 09:58:24 PM
Pick-em for 1/24

Gettysburg (Bullets are rolling after big win over Dips)
McDaniel (Home court is not enough to make up for youthful Dips)
Dickinson (Leszcynski needs to actually show up, very disappointed in the Devils this year)
Washington (Don't have a good read on either team)
Ursinus (Swat doesn't stand a chance now with Walker out for 2 weeks)

Contratulations to Tom Leszczynski on his entry into the 1,000 point club (not an easy thing to do in just 3 years of play).  He showed up to play - scored 18 pts, 14 boards and still they lost.   Thought this team would be much better this year.  Somethings missing.  Can't put the blame entirely on the players, it comes down to the coaching.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on January 26, 2009, 08:53:58 AM
New to board with season halfway complete, but will post my pics anyway.

Pics for 1/26

Washington (Home court advantage)
Muhlenberg (No hope left for Swarthmore)
F&M (Ursinus not strong enough without key player)
Gettysburg (Although Hopkins can be tough, I'll go with the Home team)
Dickinson (Still believe in this team)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 26, 2009, 09:21:23 AM


oldballer -

Welcome, always room for one more here in the paint! Looking forward to seeing more of your picks. Good luck.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 26, 2009, 09:29:07 AM
1/26 picks

Washington (tough call)
Muhlenberg
F&M (risky, Dips haven't beaten Bears in a long time)
G-burg (wake-up call bad  news for Jays)
McDaniel (Dickinson will save hot shooting night for Mayser)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 26, 2009, 09:52:43 AM


Fellow Centennial Fans -

Here is some interesting reading from this morning's Lancaster Intelligencer Journal. The link to the article follows below:

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233067 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233067)

Weather permitting, I hope to make tonight's game at Mayser Center. Enjoy. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 26, 2009, 03:07:26 PM



There could be some really close games tonight and some of the match-ups will be really difficult to pick. At any rate, the following are my selections and supporting musings for tonight's (1/26) pick-ems:

Haverford   @   Washington:   Washington.  (Shoremen too tough at Cain Center for the Fords who are coming off a huge upset victory).

Muhlenberg   @   Swarthmore:   Muhlenberg.   (Even on the road, the Mules should win this one easily).


Ursinus   @   Franklin And Marshall:   Franklin And Marshall.   (Dips win a close one at Mayser and, hopefully, establish thmesleves as a legitmate contender).

Johns Hopkins   @   Gettysburg:   Gettysburg.   (Bullets should have a strong rebound at home after a big loss. Should be close though as Jays are a tough match-up for them).

McDaniel   @   Dickinson:   McDaniel.   (Terror should also be very hungry and rebound after a very tough loss in Mayser.  Besides, it is hard to pick the inconsistent Devils right now. I just don't know which Devils team will show up.  Terror may be too quick and physical for Devils even on the road.)

I hope to make a quick trip to Mayser Center straight work tonight in time for the Dips epic battle against the Bears tonight. I could be a few minutes late.

Good luck to all teams and to all fellow prognosticators. Enjoy the games! Regards.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 26, 2009, 03:35:37 PM
Pick-em's for 1/26/09

Washington
Muhlenberg 
Franklin & Marshall
Gettysburg
McDaniel       
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 26, 2009, 03:48:36 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on January 26, 2009, 09:52:43 AM


Fellow Centennial Fans -

Here is some interesting reading from this morning's Lancaster Intelligencer Journal. The link to the article follows below:

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233067 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233067)

Weather permitting, I hope to make tonight's game at Mayser Center. Enjoy. Regards to all.

Eric

Eric - thanks for posting that article.  The part about the new offense was interesting to me.  F&M hasn't changed much over the years, but the Dips have shown a more fluid offensive set this year (in the few games I've seen, at least).  I wasn't sure if the addition of Milligan was the reason for that, or there were some tweaks involved.  Robinson credits assistant Chris Rogers for some of the changes.  Perhaps old dogs can learn new tricks, on occasion...

Also, Robinson was a guest on Hoopsville the other night.  It's an interesting interview, at least if you follow F&M (it begins about halfway through the program):

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/hoopsville012209.mp3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 26, 2009, 04:22:28 PM
1/26 picks for "Monday Night Basketball:"

Gettysburg
F&M
McDaniel
Washington
Muhlenberg

Ursinus will give F&M yet another nail-biter in Lancaster, but for the first time since '05, this clash should go to the Dips.

Washington should be able to hold down the home fort as Haverford could still be on cloud nine after the big win over the Bullets.  Dickinson will come close to upsetting McDaniel, but the Green Terror will play lock-down defense in the Kline Center.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm28 on January 26, 2009, 04:58:04 PM
As a Cent. Conf. alum, I was pleased to stumble onto this board. You all might be very helpful.

I have a friend who has been recruited by most of the conference. He wants to go to a good school that will also have a good team for the next few years.

It looks like he has narrowed his choices to McDaniel and F&M (Dickinson might also still be in the mix). I have two questions. First, is McDaniel a good enough school to turn down the other two?

The Centennial seems to be tiered academically and he is concerned that a McDaniel degree is not as valuable.  US News Rankings are not the end all and be all they claim to be but they can give you an idea of how good a school is. McDaniel alums, defend your school.

1st: Swarthmore 3rd, Haverford 10th, JHU 15th as a University in US News
2nd: F&M 42nd, Dickinson 45th (both usually with acceptance rates around 40%), Gburg 49th,
3rd: Mul. 71st, Ursinus 81st, WAC 94th
McDaniel- Tier 3

Second, is something wrong with the F&M program that they have such a young roster and have had so much turnover on their roster in the past few years?
I know G-Rob is notorious for over-recruiting but is something up in Lancaster?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2009, 05:32:26 PM
F&M and Dickinson both have good academic reputations.
F&M has been down the last few years, but Robinson seems to have righted the ship and has F&M sailing along.  With the youth on the team, F&M should be strong over the next few years.  If you look at Robinson's career wins, you'll see he had some bumps in the road(mid-80's and late 90's), but some new blood always seemed to bring the team around.  F&M has more potential on this year's team compared to the last few. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 26, 2009, 07:43:03 PM
Pick-em's for WEDS 1/28/09

Dickinson      @  F & M
Gettysburg   @  McDaniel ( tough one to pick)
Haverford     @  Swarthmore
Ursinus         @  Muhlenberg
Washington  @  John Hopkins

Welcome oldballer to the picks. Have fun as we do all you can win is the same thing Reserved Seat got last year, which will be doubled this year ,, let's see if my math is good  2  x  0  =  0

I hope these get in look like a little nasty weather moving in for Weds.

Good luck and enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 26, 2009, 07:44:34 PM
Congrats to Miguel Jones, McDaniel Conference player of the week.

Read the rest here and enjoy:
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_126.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_126.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 26, 2009, 07:50:56 PM
Stats are in with some interesting things to look at. Remember these are withing the Conference only:

SCORING OFFENSE
## Team                      G   W-L   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------------
1.Ursinus.............       9   5-4   678  75.3
2.Washington..........   9   4-5   668  74.2
3.Franklin & Marshall.  9   7-2   654  72.7


SCORING DEFENSE
## Team                     G   Pts Avg/G
--------------------------------------
1.McDaniel............      9   537  59.7
2.Gettysburg..........    9   553  61.4
3.Johns Hopkins.......  9   560  62.2

FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team                      G     FG   FGA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Franklin & Marshall.  9    249   489  .509
2.Ursinus.............        9    245   491  .499
3.McDaniel............       9    216   476  .454

TURNOVER MARGIN
## Team                     G  TEAM   Avg  OPP   Avg Margin
--------------------------------------------------------
1.Washington.........  .  9   134  14.9  175  19.4  +4.56
2.Johns Hopkins.......   9   119  13.2  143  15.9  +2.67
3.Franklin & Marshall.  9   139  15.4  161  17.9  +2.44

STEALS
## Team                      G  Steals  Avg/G
-------------------------  ----------------
1.McDaniel............       9      98  10.89
2.Franklin & Marshall.  9      85   9.44
REBOUNDING MARGIN
## Team                  G  TEAM   Avg  OPP   Avg Margin
--------------------------------------------------------
1.Ursinus.............    9   348  38.7  288  32.0   +6.7
2.Dickinson...........   9   342  38.0  296  32.9   +5.1
3.Muhlenberg........  9   368  40.9  325  36.1   +4.8

read the rest here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm)

enjoy











Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2009, 09:56:48 PM
Old Ends, unfortunately I spent all my winnings from last year at one time.

As r. w. predicted, it was another nail-biter in Lancaster.
The game was an offensive display as evident by the 83-80.
Ursinus moved the crispy and earned numerous uncontested lay-ups.  Howell accumulated numerous points under the basketball.
In the first half Ursinus drained 7 of 14 threes to F&M's 1 of 5.
Noonan had a fantastic game despite being saddled with 4 fouls.  Noonan still played an aggressive 34 minutes. 
Ursinus had several changes to win the game but didn't seem to be patient enough to get good opportunities.  Ursinus got called for several out of control drives.  At times it seemed Noonan had one thought in mind-shoot.
F&M got well distributed scoring which makes it hard for an opponent to key on any one key player.
F&M lead by one with about 10 seconds to go, and Ursinus had possession of the ball.
After a timeout, Ursinus had the inbound pass stolen by Milligan, who then knocked down two foul shots for the final margin.  Ursinus had time to work for a three point shot but were  unable to get an open look before the buzzer.
Milligan had another great game directing F&M's offense.
Another great D3 game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on January 26, 2009, 10:19:35 PM
Dickinson wins!!!  My faith has been restored.  They have finally changed the line-up to include a very talented freshman named Aaron Hill.  Congrats to Coach C. for making the change in the line-up.  Now all he has to do is put Tim Crouch in for Matt Dolan and I believe he will have a very strong starting 5.  Kiz Grell, Tom Leszczynski, Corey Kenney, Tim Crouch and Aaron Hill.  Maybe he'll read this board and take some sound advice.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2009, 10:34:18 PM
Pick-ems for Wednesday 28th

F & M(tough at home)
Gettysburg(need to win to earn home court for play-offs)
Haverford(Swarthmore continues to have problems)
Ursinus (tough to win at Muhlenberg, but Ursinus needs a win)
John Hopkins(could be a toss-up)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 27, 2009, 07:33:27 AM
Mules win a squeaker at Swat. What was interesting  was the foul shooting. Mules were 26-26 and Swat was12-13 in what is supposed to be an NCAA D3 record for foul shooting in a game 38-39. Fundamentals live on in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on January 27, 2009, 10:56:46 AM
Pics for 1/28

Gettysburg (Tough one to pick - going to be a battle)
Dickinson (Still believe in this team's ability)
Hopkins (this one will be tough, but I will gowith Home court advantage)
Muhlenberg (at home)
Swarthmore (a long shot - taking a chance with this pick)

Good luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 27, 2009, 01:17:18 PM
1/28 picks

Dickinson (hasn't lost in years at Mayser, now at Kline they have lost some games)
McDaniel (I have no clue who should be favored here)
Haverford (SWAT may upset in rematch if Fords are out of contention)
Muhlenburg (Bears can't stop Liddic inside, 3-point gunners may not shoot well enough in Memorial)
JHU (should win at Goldfarb, likely a battle though)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 27, 2009, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: ddm28 on January 26, 2009, 04:58:04 PM
As a Cent. Conf. alum, I was pleased to stumble onto this board. You all might be very helpful.

I have a friend who has been recruited by most of the conference. He wants to go to a good school that will also have a good team for the next few years.

It looks like he has narrowed his choices to McDaniel and F&M (Dickinson might also still be in the mix). I have two questions. First, is McDaniel a good enough school to turn down the other two?


ddm28

In response to your posting, I think your friend might be overlooking one of the best colleges in his/her search----Ursinus College.  Look at recent polls in Smart Money and U.S. News & World Report for their views.  It is a very challenging school academically and has, arguably, the best and most successful basketball program in the Centennial Conference over the past eight years and it will get better as long as Kevin Small is the coach.   It is difficult to gain admission even if you are an athlete.  Ursinus' top two basketball recruits last year were not admitted due to marginal academic credentials yet are playing for other good DIII schools.  Also, it is difficult to make the cut for the basketball team as Coach Small values character and initiative very highly.  For a basketball playing student athlete at the DIII level, in my opinion, Ursinus is the best of the best.

Gabriel



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 27, 2009, 05:27:31 PM
1/28/2009 Picks.

McDaniel    too tough on their home court
F&M           again, home court is the deciding factor
JHU            Hopkins is slightly better
Ursinus      will be tough in the dim gym but the Bears will do it
Haverford  don't think Swarthmore will win a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 27, 2009, 06:02:02 PM
Reserved Seat,

The F&M/Ursinus game was an excellent game.  Ursinus had the opportunity to win at the end but couldn't convert the inbound play.  You are right about out of control drives.  The Bears lack an inside game when Howell is out and have to make up for it with drives to the hoop.  Noonan and Cousart are trying to make things happen--not always successfully.  They miss Matt Hilton more than you can imagine.  He was and will be a conference player of the year candidate.  He is that good both offensively and defensively.  I can't  criticize Noonan and Cousart as both played excellent games--they gave it their all.

The keys to the game were fouls and foul shots.  F&M was called for only 11 fouls and Ursinus for 18.  Howell was assessed two "chippies" in the first minute and a half of the game and sat the rest of the first half, a real killer for a team that has little post presence.   Noonan had to sit for five minutes---at a time when Ursinus lost the lead in the second half due to his fourth foul----an ill advised offensive foul.  Noonan did not get to the free throw line at all despite scoring 25 points.  Hmmm!
F&M converted 18 of 21 foul shots and Ursinus 9 of 10.  The foul shot differential was more than enough to win the tight game. 

F&M knows they will be in for a fight in Collegeville on February 11.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on January 27, 2009, 07:28:39 PM
As a Cent. Conf. alum, I was pleased to stumble onto this board. You all might be very helpful.

I have a friend who has been recruited by most of the conference. He wants to go to a good school that will also have a good team for the next few years.

It looks like he has narrowed his choices to McDaniel and F&M (Dickinson might also still be in the mix). I have two questions. First, is McDaniel a good enough school to turn down the other two?

DDM28,

First of all, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the colleges(McDaniel, F&M, and Dickinson) in the Centennial Conference.  If your friend has a successful academic career at these colleges, he will have plenty of opportunities available to him upon graduation.  Future employers will acknowledge the solid academic reputations and will appreciate the hard work he demonstrated as a student-athlete.  I think many factors go into a final decision.  These thoughts may help:

Where do you see yourself fitting in the best-academically and athletically?  Did you like the campus/facilities,etc.?  How much interest has the coach shown you?  Where does the coach see you fitting into the team?  Do you like style of play? Current players?
Academic Scholarships/Grants available? Tuition,etc?  Playing Time? Do you want a key role as a freshman(starter or key bench player) or are you willing to play minimal minutes until you are an upperclassmen?

As far as basketball:
McDaniel-  Young, upcoming coach in 2nd year with program.  The program is on the rise and is having a very good season thus far.  They have a strong recruiting class of freshman this year to go along with a good mix of sophomores and juniors returning.  They seem to be a program that is committed to being a top contender in the CC for years to come.
F&M- Good program over the years with an established coach.  A starting line up and key reserves that is filled with freshman and sophomores. They will be a top tier team for at least the next 2-3 years, but their line up seems established for this time period.  So getting quality minutes if any, may take a few years.
Dickinson-another quality program over the years that is loaded with seniors(Grell, Leszczynski, among others)  Dickinson will be looking to fill many voids next year.  It many take a few years of reloading before they will be able to compete with the top teams in the CC.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 27, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
Results for 1/26

oldbballer          4   -  1  Congrats on your 1st pick
Brce4               3  -  2
Reserved Seat   3  -  2
D.B.Cooper        3  -  2
Diplomaniac1     3  -  2
UniqueNewYork  3  -  2
r.e.mcnickels     3  -  2
Old Ends           3  -  2
Gabriel              3  -  2
Tucker1129       4  -  1

Overall
Old Ends            38  -  12  (.760)
Reserved Seat    36  -  14  (.720)
Diplomaniac 1     36  -  14  (.720)
UniqueNewYork   36  -  14  (.720)
D.B.Cooper         34  -  16  (.680)
Tucker1129         8  -   2  (.800)
Brce4                31  -  19  (.620)
Gabriel              29  -  21  (.580)
r.w.mcnickels     29  -  21  (.580)
oldbballer            5  -   0    Start rankings next pick.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 27, 2009, 08:10:24 PM
Picks for 1/28/09

F & M
Gettysburg
Haverford
Muhlenberg
John Hopkins

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 27, 2009, 08:25:27 PM
What they said about Last Nights Games

F & M :http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233105 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233105)

Gettysburg: http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2009/01/27/sports/gettysburg_college/doc497f00b28cbfe866503668.txt (http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/articles/2009/01/27/sports/gettysburg_college/doc497f00b28cbfe866503668.txt)

Gettysburg again :http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11560387 (http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11560387)

Dickinson: http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/01/27/sports/local/doc497ea303b8939437655176.txt (http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/01/27/sports/local/doc497ea303b8939437655176.txt)

enjoy

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 27, 2009, 08:30:12 PM
Old Ends,
I think I was only 3-2.  I didn't check everyone but I think you gave us credit for Washington winning.  Most of us should have one more wrong and Tucker should have one more right.  You'll probably have to check, because I may not have checked everyone.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 27, 2009, 08:49:11 PM
Picks for 1/28
F&M( Can't see an up and down Dickinson winning here)
McDaniel ( Gettysburg may have trouble away against most athletic team in league)
Haverford ( Swat down to 9 players just doesn't have enough talent)
Mules ( tough pick but Mules are really tough at home)
Hopkins ( Home court pick)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 27, 2009, 09:04:40 PM
Thanks RS
Had that game marked wrong from the start....

All have been changed
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 27, 2009, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 27, 2009, 06:02:02 PM
Reserved Seat,

The F&M/Ursinus game was an excellent game.  Ursinus had the opportunity to win at the end but couldn't convert the inbound play.  You are right about out of control drives.  The Bears lack an inside game when Howell is out and have to make up for it with drives to the hoop.  Noonan and Cousart are trying to make things happen--not always successfully.  They miss Matt Hilton more than you can imagine.  He was and will be a conference player of the year candidate.  He is that good both offensively and defensively.  I can't  criticize Noonan and Cousart as both played excellent games--they gave it their all.

The keys to the game were fouls and foul shots.  F&M was called for only 11 fouls and Ursinus for 18.  Howell was assessed two "chippies" in the first minute and a half of the game and sat the rest of the first half, a real killer for a team that has little post presence.   Noonan had to sit for five minutes---at a time when Ursinus lost the lead in the second half due to his fourth foul----an ill advised offensive foul.  Noonan did not get to the free throw line at all despite scoring 25 points.  Hmmm!
F&M converted 18 of 21 foul shots and Ursinus 9 of 10.  The foul shot differential was more than enough to win the tight game. 

F&M knows they will be in for a fight in Collegeville on February 11.

Reserved and Gabriel-

That was one of the more exciting games I've seen in the past couple of years.  The Bears have an impressive ability to make other teams play their style.  F&M usually likes to dictate the tempo by "grinding it out" and working the shot clock, but it's hard to do that against Ursinus.  The Bears always seem to play with a controlled urgency that gets F&M out of its comfort zone.

F&M finally had some success on defense in the second half (including several key stops near the end).  Brooks also hit a huge "three" late in the game, near the end of the shot clock, that turned the tide in F&M's favor.

Milligan drew a lot of fouls - which has become one of his strengths.  It's sometimes easy to forget he's a freshman because he makes so much happen, including the big steal that clinched the game.  Noonan is my bet to be POY in the conference.  Cousart should also be at least a second team all-CC selection.

Foul shots were a key, but not the only one.  F&M outscored Ursinus off turnovers 22-9, and 13-8 on second chance points.  Obviously losing Howell early hurt the Bears.

I'm sure the Dips know they'll be in for a fight in Collegeville - they were fortunate to survive this one.  But just about every game in the conference is a fight this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 28, 2009, 10:57:45 AM


Folks -

Well, there is another tough slate of games to choose from again for tonight's contests. Here goes nothing. The following are my selections and rationales for the 1/28 pick-ems:

Dickinson  @   Franklin And Marshall:   F&M. (Still don't quite yet know how to evaluate the Red Devils this year. Just like the win again Urinsus, the Dips need to get a win and get this monkey off their backs as well. Mayser Center advantage goes to the Dips).

Gettysburg   @   McDaniel:   McDaniel. (I picked the Terror due to their toughness at home. I may be wrong but I think that the Terror may also have too much athleticism and may be too physical for the Bullets).

Haverford   @   Swarthmore:   Haverford. (Nothing else to say).

Ursinus   @   Muhlenberg:   Muhlenberg. (Mules win if they can get the ball inside to Barnes and Liddig and if the big boys stay out of foul trouble. Throw in officiating that allows rugby in the "Mule Barn" or the "Bat Cave" and it adds up to a close win for the Mules).

Washington  @   Johns Hopkins:   Johns Hopkins. (More balanced Jays win another close game in Goldfarb).

Weather and job meeting obligations are the only things that would and are actually going to prevent me from being at Mayser tonight. Go Dips!

Enjoy the games. Good luck to all teams, fans, and prognoticators. Travel safely. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 28, 2009, 01:30:05 PM
r.w.

Good observations regarding the F&M/Ursinus game.  F&M has some real talent which will make them tough for the next four years----if they can keep them together.  They clearly are better than the Bears in the low post.  Ursinus just does not have the horses.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: tucker1129 on January 28, 2009, 04:04:01 PM
Picks for 1/28/09

McDaniel
F&M
Muhlenberg
Hopkins
Haverford

We will see how this plays out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 28, 2009, 05:08:00 PM
My picks

F & M
McDaniel
Haverford     
Ursinus         
John Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 28, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
1/28 picks:

McDaniel
F&M
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus
Haverford

Will be interesting to see if Ursinus can stay in the hunt - the Bears need a big game from Howell.  Gettysburg-McDaniel should be an excellent game, and so should DC-F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2009, 05:44:37 PM
Interesting picks
The only game everyone agreed on is the the Washington/John Hopkins game.
Surprising how many abandoned Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2009, 09:59:45 PM
No nail-biter in Lancaster tonight.
F&M took an early lead; and except for a Dickinson run right after half, F&M was comfortable in control of the game.  F&M distributed the scoring well.  Brooks make some athletic moves in the first half to put up 12 points.  McNally and Baker both played well under the basket.
Milligan continues to improve and directs the offense well.  Tolliver would have put up some decent figures, if one of the refs didn't call him for walking every time he drove to the basket.
In only his second start for Dickinson, Hill struggled to be in position on defense and picked up 5 fouls.  Hill does hustle but he wasn't an offensive threat.
F&M worked hard to keep the ball out of Dickinson's big man.
Dickinson point guard did he good job of trying to run Dickinson's offense.

Waiting to hear the other scores.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 28, 2009, 10:07:56 PM
Terrors won by 3
JHU lost by about 6
SWAT fumbled a golden chance to trip the Fords
Mules stomped on the Bears by 10+ in a back & forth wild one
Dips are starting to impress me, but I remember the young ?89-90 team that had a great regular season, got a 1st round ncaa bye & then lost & was gone. I'm worried this team might have problems in the CC playoff 1st round against McDaniel or G-burg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 08:38:43 AM
Great game in Westminster last night! The Terror seemed to have the game sealed with about 10:30 left but Gettysburg game back to make it a great finish. Chad Arrington really mixed it up for the Terror especially the first half. Foul trouble really hurt the bullets, with both Powers and Spierenberg picking up 2 fouls each in the first half.

Arrington who is not at all known for his offensive game seemed to be hitting the big shots and making big plays, he had a huge play that really got the crowd stirred up with a tremendous put back dunk right on top of 2 bullet defenders. This dunk was something that I have NEVER seen in a D3 game, and trust me I have been around a lot!

Granted for the first 10 mins of the second half McDaniel got all the calls and got away with a lot. During the final 10 mins of the game the refs started calling the game more evenly and thats when the bullets made a very valient comback that directly mirrored the game between these two teams last year in Westminster. McDaniel's Finch put in 2 free throws to go ahead 3 with about 7 seconds left, at that point everyone in the gym knew where the ball was going for the bullets. Petrie (sorry for mispelling) drew up the same play that sent the game into a second overtime last year in Westminster, a handoff to Capkin
who came off a ball screen and then a second ball screen for a 3-pointer at the top of the key. This year the shot was in and out and the terror won the game in regulation. I really would like to credit Gettysburg though because their comback was unbelievable, Powers and Spierenberg really came alive in the last 10 mins of the game.

Let me end with 2 comments... (1) Why has McDaniel Not gotten any love in the rankings? If they win on Saturday I see no reason why they atleast shouldnt get some votes. Yes their record is 13-5 right now and I understand at this point of the season that 5 losses really sticks out but look who they are from- St. Mary's (pre-season ranked I think 20th?), F & M (ranked as high as 21st), Guilford (tough ODAC team), Then the 2 upsets - Haverford (who beat Gettysburg), and Dickinson (who is a team that had high hopes entering the season and has not lived up to that except for when they played the terror). Any Comments?

(2) Everyone has their rough/bad nights every once in a while, Corey Dorsey Had a bad night last night. With him all he has is his offense, going up against one of the best defense squads in the nation it is expected to not have the open looks or jumpshots that he usually gets with playing other teams but his reaction was the thing that really disappointed me last night. After he got pulled (probably not for hustling) he completely took himself out of the game - sitting on the end of the bench, not paying attention in the huddles... 1 specific instance where the team called a 30 sec timeout and everyone besides him was standing up in the huddle, he was a lone ranger sitting on the bench by himself throwing a hissy fit because as a senior his defensive ability is still absolutely horrible and his shots werent falling. I frankly cannot believe that he was nominated for an all conference player last year, offensively he has the ppg average, but on defense he just flat out doesnt look like he wants to be out there. It was very apparent that last night he didnt want to be on the floor against McDaniel's swarming defense and there was a little beef between him and Coach Pietrie. Comments???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 29, 2009, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 08:38:43 AM
(1) Why has McDaniel Not gotten any love in the rankings? If they win on Saturday I see no reason why they atleast shouldnt get some votes. Yes their record is 13-5 right now and I understand at this point of the season that 5 losses really sticks out but look who they are from- St. Mary's (pre-season ranked I think 20th?), F & M (ranked as high as 21st), Guilford (tough ODAC team), Then the 2 upsets - Haverford (who beat Gettysburg), and Dickinson (who is a team that had high hopes entering the season and has not lived up to that except for when they played the terror). Any Comments?
The Mid-Atlantic region as a whole is not getting a lot of love in the rankings (I'm not saying the region should get more love, I'm just stating the current situation).  I believe Gettysburg was the highest-ranked Mid-Atlantic team at #25 in the week 8 poll, and F&M and DeSales (with 1 vote) were the only other teams getting votes from the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2009, 10:44:57 AM
There wasn't any way McDaniel was going to get votes this week coming off of two losses. Despite your spin on Dickinson, that's still a .500 team, 3-8 in the league. There are a couple nice wins against good teams but 13-5 is 13-5.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on January 29, 2009, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2009, 09:59:45 PM
No nail-biter in Lancaster tonight.
F&M took an early lead; and except for a Dickinson run right after half, F&M was comfortable in control of the game.  F&M distributed the scoring well.  Brooks make some athletic moves in the first half to put up 12 points.  McNally and Baker both played well under the basket.
Milligan continues to improve and directs the offense well.  Tolliver would have put up some decent figures, if one of the refs didn't call him for walking every time he drove to the basket.
In only his second start for Dickinson, Hill struggled to be in position on defense and picked up 5 fouls.  Hill does hustle but he wasn't an offensive threat.
F&M worked hard to keep the ball out of Dickinson's big man.
Dickinson point guard did he good job of trying to run Dickinson's offense.

Waiting to hear the other scores.
Agree with you on this one.  Half the crowd left before game was over.  Just a little confused as to why Dickinson's big man only played 23 minutes.  He was 5 for 9 on shooting - scoring 12 points, had 2 steals, 1 blocked shot and 0 fouls.  He played a huge part in their victory against Franklin Marshall last year to get into the playoffs - so why pull him out of the game after only about 5 minutes of play when you are only down by 3 and not let him return to the game until you are down by about as much as 10.  This coach is too quick to play with his starting 5.  As I have stated before, he should go back to the 5 starters that got him to the playoffs last year.  Although, unless they win every game from this point on, they don't stand a chance at getting into a playoff spot.  Still routing for them though.
Regardless, kudos to F&M on another great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 29, 2009, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: oldbballer on January 29, 2009, 11:41:23 AM
Just a little confused as to why Dickinson's big man only played 23 minutes.  He was 5 for 9 on shooting - scoring 12 points, had 2 steals, 1 blocked shot and 0 fouls.  He played a huge part in their victory against Franklin Marshall last year to get into the playoffs - so why pull him out of the game after only about 5 minutes of play when you are only down by 3 and not let him return to the game until you are down by about as much as 10.  This coach is too quick to play with his starting 5.

I think you may be misremembering the sequence of events.  According to the play-by-play, Leszczynski went to the bench after 4:29 with F&M leading 11-4.  He sat for 3:22, during which time Dickinson closed the gap to 13-8.  With Leszczynski back in the game for the next 2:32, F&M quickly pushed the lead to 21-11.

In any case, Leszczynski didn't have much impact when he was in during the first half (2-5, 4 points, 2 rebounds, 1 turnover, 0 blocks, 0 steals, and F&M outscored Dickinson 30-19 during the 11:45 he played).  He then played 11:15 of the first 13:51 of the second half but didn't return once the game was out of reach (it was 19 when he went to the bench with 6:09 remaining and went up to 24 very soon thereafter).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on January 29, 2009, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on January 29, 2009, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: oldbballer on January 29, 2009, 11:41:23 AM
Just a little confused as to why Dickinson's big man only played 23 minutes.  He was 5 for 9 on shooting - scoring 12 points, had 2 steals, 1 blocked shot and 0 fouls.  He played a huge part in their victory against Franklin Marshall last year to get into the playoffs - so why pull him out of the game after only about 5 minutes of play when you are only down by 3 and not let him return to the game until you are down by about as much as 10.  This coach is too quick to play with his starting 5.

I think you may be misremembering the sequence of events.  According to the play-by-play, Leszczynski went to the bench after 4:29 with F&M leading 11-4.  He sat for 3:22, during which time Dickinson closed the gap to 13-8.  With Leszczynski back in the game for the next 2:32, F&M quickly pushed the lead to 21-11.

In any case, Leszczynski didn't have much impact when he was in during the first half (2-5, 4 points, 2 rebounds, 1 turnover, 0 blocks, 0 steals, and F&M outscored Dickinson 30-19 during the 11:45 he played).  He then played 11:15 of the first 13:51 of the second half but didn't return once the game was out of reach (it was 19 when he went to the bench with 6:09 remaining and went up to 24 very soon thereafter).

After futher reviewing the stats, you are right about the time that he came out, but when he did come out, he was responsible for 2 of the 4 points Dickinson had at that time and was playing pretty good defense (McNally had one turnover and 0 points) .   Therein lies my question - why take him out in the first place.   I still feel that this coach doesn't give his starters enough time to settle in at the beginning and get a rythm going.  We may have a difference of opinion on this one. 

Anyway here are my picks for 1/31
Gettysburg
F&M
Muhlengerg
Dickinson
Hopkins

Good luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
oldbballer,
I, too, was surprised that Leszczynski came out so early.  He has been a thorn in F&M's side in the past. Dickinson still continues to be an enigma.  I thought the game was going to be much closer.


terror 30,
It's hard for McDaniel to get any votes, because they haven't been there before. Gettysburg got some respect with their showing last year, and F&M has a history of strong teams.  With their 2 losses to Haverford and Dickinson, voters aren't ready to give them some recognition.
McDaniel is probably playing well enough to earn some respect, but you, also, have to look at the teams above them and, also, who those teams have played.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 29, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Picks for 1/31/2009

Gettysburg (Home court but Washington will give them a game)
F&M (No discussion)
Muhlenberg (No team has more of a home court advantage)
Haverford (Dickinson should win but the Fords are tough at home)
Ursinus (a must win for the Bears or they can start playing for next year)

I don't know if anyone noticed that Matt Howell did not play for Ursinus against Muhlenberg.  He has a chronic knee problem and it apparently flared up after the F&M game.  The Bears had no answer for the  Mules inside game.  Noonan (30 points) and Burnett (20 points) scored 50 of the Bear's 68 points.  Ursinus was down by 14 at the half after playing a horrible first half and then proceeded to close within 4 points with about 5 minutes to play-----and then, the wheels fell off.  Remy Cousart (1 point) and Keith Page (2 points) obviously did not show up ready to play.  Consistency has been a big problem all year.  This is not your usual Ursinus team for whatever reason.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
Reserved Seat

I agree. They havent EVER been there and it is all new to them. But even when Ursinus and Gettysburg were dominating the league last year and went through the NCAA tournament to meet for a 4th time they still didnt gain any respect. It took Ursinus to go undefeated in the CC and win like 25 games straight to gain any national recognition. I really think the CC is underrated... I mean Ursinus made it all the way to the Final Four last year with over 20 wins in a row and ended up in the final rankings 7th??? How does that work??? THEY MADE IT TO THE FINAL FOUR! lol. Ursinus, Gettysburg, and F & M have been ranked and have earned respect within the past 10 years. McDaniel, before last year, hasnt had a winning season in 25 years so I understand and I know that I am biased towards my team so I wanted to get some feed back from everyone to see if my bias is logical.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 05:03:51 PM
Im gonna go ahead and try this pick-em out,

1/31
Gettysburg - Bounce Back strong
Franklin & Marshall - guards to athletic for swat
McDaniel - Always a gamble at Muhlenberg but I gotta go with my team
Dickinson - I banking on Grell showing up
Ursinus - toss up havent seen either team play yet this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 29, 2009, 05:09:55 PM
Results 1/28/09

Brce4              4  -  1
Diplomaniac1     4  -  1
Tucker1129       4  -  1
D.B.Cooper        3  -  2
Gabriel              3  -  2
Old Ends           3  -  2
UniqueNewYork  3  -  2
r.w.mcnickels     3  -  2
Reserved Seat   2  -  3
oldbballer          1  -  4

Overall
Tucker1129        12  -  3  (.800)
Old ends            42 - 13 (.764)
Diplomaniac1      40 - 15 (.727)
Reserved Seat    39 - 16 (.709)
UniqueNewYork   39 - 16 (.709)
D.B.Cooper         38 - 17 (.691)
Brce4                35 - 20 (.636)
oldbballer             6  -  4 ( .600)
Gabriel               32 - 23 (.582)
r.w.mcnickel        32 - 23 (.582)


John Hopkins bit all of us.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 29, 2009, 05:16:19 PM
Pick-ems for 1/31/09

Washington     at    Gettysburg
F & M               at    Swarthmore
McDaniel         at     Muhlenberg
Dickinson         at   Havverford
John Hopkins  at    Ursinus

BY tip off please.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 29, 2009, 05:20:26 PM
What they said about last night

Washington: http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09hopkins1.html (http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09hopkins1.html)

McDaniel http://www.eveningsun.com/localsports/ci_11576305?source=rss (http://www.eveningsun.com/localsports/ci_11576305?source=rss)

Haverford : http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2009/01/29/sports/doc49813476bb603625785664.txt (http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2009/01/29/sports/doc49813476bb603625785664.txt)


F & M: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233173 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233173)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm28 on January 29, 2009, 05:30:13 PM
I agree that the CC is slightly underrated; however, I think the league is probably not deserving of 2 NCAA bids in most years. Last year's NCAA splash by Ursinus (and GB) was nice but for several years before that the league has struggled (back to when F&M was stronger and lost to Amherst). After playing in the CC and attending a number of NESCAC games last year it is clear that the Centennial is a good conference but it is a far cry from that league (or the UAA) top to bottom, with the top being significantly stronger and the bottom regularly more competitive against out of league opponents. At this point the out of conference wins that the Centennial has are not overly impressive and thus the teams won't get much exposure.

I am pleased to see a lot of young talent in the league this year. Hopefully it means that the CC is on the upswing!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2009, 06:21:46 PM
After my dismal picks for Wednesday, I tried to polish up my crystal ball for Saturday's picks. Unfortunately, things still look blurry. Nevertheless, here goes.

Pick-ems for 1/31/09

Gettysburg(should have enough at home-time to make a move for the postseason)
F & M (too athletic for the Garnet)
McDaniel(could be close at Muhlenberg)
Haverford(another hard one to pick-but Haverford is having a lot of success at home)
Ursinus(not if Howell doesn't play)

We're going to start needing injury reports to make our picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2009, 07:09:15 PM
Quote from: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
Reserved Seat

I agree. They havent EVER been there and it is all new to them. But even when Ursinus and Gettysburg were dominating the league last year and went through the NCAA tournament to meet for a 4th time they still didnt gain any respect. It took Ursinus to go undefeated in the CC and win like 25 games straight to gain any national recognition. I really think the CC is underrated... I mean Ursinus made it all the way to the Final Four last year with over 20 wins in a row and ended up in the final rankings 7th??? How does that work??? THEY MADE IT TO THE FINAL FOUR! lol. Ursinus, Gettysburg, and F & M have been ranked and have earned respect within the past 10 years. McDaniel, before last year, hasnt had a winning season in 25 years so I understand and I know that I am biased towards my team so I wanted to get some feed back from everyone to see if my bias is logical.

terror30 - for what it is worth, I couldn't have put Ursinus much higher than where they landed in the Top 25 after last season. Yes, they were in the Final Four, but they also probably had the easiest trip through the tournament to get to Salem. And while I know a major injury limited what we expected from Ursinus (who I thought would do better in Salem), they got smoked in the final two games of the season. So while they were in the final four teams remaining in the tournament, there were several teams in other brackets that had to play tough opponents (and were eliminated) I think would have beaten Ursinus in the tournament.

This season, the chaos up top and the inability for Gettysburg to capitalized on the experience they have on their team to take control of the CC is going to cost this conference a chance at a second bid into the NCAA Tournament. That being said, I would love to see F&M and McDaniel get in and I certainly hope Gettyburg will make a run... but I am no longer counting on it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2009, 07:29:53 PM
Glad to have Dave "d-mac" McHugh's insight into the ranking process.
I agree with everything said, and at this time, the only way a CC team is going to make the tournament is to win the conference play-offs.  F&M might have a chance at an at-large pick if they win the rest of their season's game to finish 23-2.  McDaniel and Gettysburg will have to win the play-offs to get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2009, 07:37:44 PM
Quote from: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
I mean Ursinus made it all the way to the Final Four last year with over 20 wins in a row and ended up in the final rankings 7th??? How does that work??? THEY MADE IT TO THE FINAL FOUR!

Final Four is merely last four, not the same as top four. In Division III, not all brackets are created equally and some teams have to travel significantly tougher roads than others.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 29, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
It is not that the Conference does not get respect...it has yet to earn it.

Not only what Pat and Dave have stated, but Ursinus was one of the rare teams to come out of the Centennial and do well in Tournament play.

Yes true Centennial has had F & M and Washington go as far, but in general usally out by the 2nd round.

The Conference hurts itself, take the McDaniel loss at Dickinson, Gettysburg loss to McDaniel and Gettysburg loss to Haverford.

Do not complain about the system and boasting the why or why nots but when a Centennial team gets into the dance cheer them on for the good of the Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 29, 2009, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: old ends on January 29, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
It is not that the Conference does not get respect...it has yet to earn it.

Not only what Pat and Dave have stated, but Ursinus was one of the rare teams to come out of the Centennial and do well in Tournament play.

Yes true Centennial has had F & M and Washington go as far, but in general usally out by the 2nd round.

The Conference hurts itself, take the McDaniel loss at Dickinson, Gettysburg loss to McDaniel and Gettysburg loss to Haverford.

Do not complain about the system and boasting the why or why nots but when a Centennial team gets into the dance cheer them on for the good of the Conference.

I think we have yet to see whether last year was an exception, or the beginning of a new trend for the conference.  I'm really hoping for two NCAA bids this year, and for at least one team to advance deep -- just so the conference can continue to build on any respect it may have earned last season.  It's still way too early to tell if the CC deserves two bids, but obviously Pool C contenders shouldn't be losing to Haverford and Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 08:47:03 PM
I cannot agree more that the teams on top of the conference are just shooting themselves in the foot with losses to these teams that are below .500. I'd just like to see the conference get a little more respect I guess in particularly McDaniel. They strung together 8 wins in a row including defeating an Ursinus team that was ranked #21 at the time, then defeating F & M who was also ranked #21 at the time. No doubt that there losses to Dickinson and Haverford are killing them in the rankings right now.

No disrespect to anyone, but ANY road you take to the final four is a tough road! Especially beating the National Champs (VA Wesleyan) from two years prior, even if it was at home. I'll agree that it probably turned out to be the easiest bracket to get there but as all of us know the NCAA tournament can be crazy on all levels. And I was incredibly happy for our two teams that made it to the Sweet 16. Ursinus got flat out beat by Amherst, who again was the National Champ from the year before. And I think we all know that the final game they played would have been a lot different if Shattuck would have played more than 30 seconds.

Thanks Old Ends, Pat Coleman, D-Mac, Reserved Seat, DDM28. You can plan on me getting more involved in the future!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 29, 2009, 10:00:33 PM
old ends:

When Washington finished 3d in the Final Four in 1990 the Centennial was but a glimmer in some unknown college President's eyes. Oddly enough the precursor to the CC, the MAC South, had three NCAA participants that year (JHU & the youthful Dip team that made a second round exit). So I'm not sure how much a pre-CC success that long ago helps now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 29, 2009, 10:04:39 PM
1/31 picks (pretty challenging slate of games)

G-burg
F&M
Muhlenberg (flip of a coin, came up Muhl Cave)
Dickinson (tough call)
Ursinus (very tough call)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2009, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 08:47:03 PM
Thanks Old Ends, Pat Coleman, D-Mac, Reserved Seat, DDM28. You can plan on me getting more involved in the future!

Great -- the board needs more posters and there's not much McDaniel representation anywhere around here since the football team has been taking such a beating of late. Welcome and spread the word!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2009, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2009, 07:29:53 PM
Glad to have Dave "d-mac" McHugh's insight into the ranking process.
I agree with everything said, and at this time, the only way a CC team is going to make the tournament is to win the conference play-offs.  F&M might have a chance at an at-large pick if they win the rest of their season's game to finish 23-2.  McDaniel and Gettysburg will have to win the play-offs to get in.

  I think you're too pessimistic at this point; Rochester and Middlebury got Pool C bids last year with 5 regional losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2009, 06:10:58 AM
Yeah - Rochester got in... but their OWP and OOWP was certainly stronger than anyone in the Mid-Atlantic tends to have... and that is thanks to a very strong UAA conference and other regionally good teams. The Mid-Atlantic has too many weak teams, especially at the bottom of conferences that hurt many teams' OWPs and OOWPs. So regional losses are more "hurtful". It also depends on the opponents a team loses to. Rochester lost to Wash U., Chicago, Brandies, Emory, and NYU. The "worst" loss there was the OT loss on the road to Emory. Compared to teams like Gettysburg this season where they have lost to Haverford... Rochester's resume looks better.

My point is the conference and the region are not strong enough, especially at the bottom, to allow teams to take too many losses, especially bad ones.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 30, 2009, 08:48:49 AM
1/31 picks
Gettysburg ( Should be able to hold off Shoremen at home)
F&M ( Swat looks like they may go winless in CC)
Mules ( May have enough at home for the upset)
Dickinson ( If they haven't quit on the season may win at Haverford)
Ursinus ( Hopkins not quite as talented as in recent years and Bears need a win)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 30, 2009, 09:25:21 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 29, 2009, 07:09:15 PM
Quote from: terror 30 on January 29, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
Reserved Seat

I agree. They havent EVER been there and it is all new to them. But even when Ursinus and Gettysburg were dominating the league last year and went through the NCAA tournament to meet for a 4th time they still didnt gain any respect. It took Ursinus to go undefeated in the CC and win like 25 games straight to gain any national recognition. I really think the CC is underrated... I mean Ursinus made it all the way to the Final Four last year with over 20 wins in a row and ended up in the final rankings 7th??? How does that work??? THEY MADE IT TO THE FINAL FOUR! lol. Ursinus, Gettysburg, and F & M have been ranked and have earned respect within the past 10 years. McDaniel, before last year, hasnt had a winning season in 25 years so I understand and I know that I am biased towards my team so I wanted to get some feed back from everyone to see if my bias is logical.

terror30 - for what it is worth, I couldn't have put Ursinus much higher than where they landed in the Top 25 after last season. Yes, they were in the Final Four, but they also probably had the easiest trip through the tournament to get to Salem. And while I know a major injury limited what we expected from Ursinus (who I thought would do better in Salem), they got smoked in the final two games of the season. So while they were in the final four teams remaining in the tournament, there were several teams in other brackets that had to play tough opponents (and were eliminated) I think would have beaten Ursinus in the tournament.

This season, the chaos up top and the inability for Gettysburg to capitalized on the experience they have on their team to take control of the CC is going to cost this conference a chance at a second bid into the NCAA Tournament. That being said, I would love to see F&M and McDaniel get in and I certainly hope Gettyburg will make a run... but I am no longer counting on it.

d-mac,

I don't know if you saw Ursinus play Baptist Bible, Virginia Wesleyan, Gettysburg and Coast Guard etc. in the tourney.  Shattuck was hurt just after half time in the first round Baptist Bible game going for his fifth dunk of the game.  He played on one leg after that.  You did see them play in Salem. Even with Shattuck they would not have beaten Amherst in the first game of the final four because Amherst played, according to their fans, their best game of the season and Ursinus could not match up with their size.   With a healthy Shattuck and competent officiating, Ursinus would have beaten Hope by ten.  Kevin Small emptied his bench in the first half of a meaningless game, Shattuck did not play at all and Shema very little.

I don't mean to whine, but the officials at the final four were pathetic.  I understand  that none of them will be considered to officiate tournament  games again.  Check on that, I think I am right. The officials took Mike Shema out of both games very early with horrible  foul calls.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2009, 03:32:44 PM
Gabriel - I saw quite a bit of Ursinus, including their games against Gettysburg, Coast Guard, Amherst, and Hope along with following them before the tournament at games in Baltimore (Johns Hopkins) and one or two other locations during the 2007-2008 season. I am very familiar with who they had on the team, what their strengths and weaknesses were, and how they were coached. I also talked to Coach Kevin Small twice on Hoopsville late in the season and on other occasions. And the Bears' SID, James "Wags" Wagner, always kept me updated with information he felt I would need.

So I am not basing any of my statements on two games in Salem, Virginia. In fact, I thought they had played pretty well prior to Salem despite the injury to Shattuck and felt they could play pretty well in Salem. But because Shattuck was banged up (and by the way, he played 38 minutes against Amherst and was doing decently until he tweeked the ankle about halfway through the first half) and because they were simply out-matched on the court, a win against Amherst was a reach. Against Hope they couldn't keep up with the pace. I know Coach Small emptied the bench in the first half, but if that was a game that meant a trip to the championship or was the championship game, my money would have still been on Hope - even with a healthy Shattuck.

As for the officiating, I am usually one who will comment about officiating during a game, or during the half-time or post-game shows during our broadcasting, and I don't remember having a problem with the refs. Shema has never impressed me as a decent defender and against Amherst he couldn't keep up with the inside presence Amherst had. He couldn't get across the lane for help defense fast enough and if he cheated, Amherst found the open man on the backside nearly every time. I don't think Shema got hurt by the officials, but his lack of experience when compared to the players he was trying to go up against.

Finally... for the statement that the refs in the Ursinus/Amherst game would never ref a tournament game again... I find that a bit far-fetched. They graded out well enough that season to get to the Final Four (they weren't picked randomly) and I can't imagine they have been blacked balled from the tourney. I also can't believe that if they have been, it is information people can find out!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 30, 2009, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 30, 2009, 03:32:44 PM
Gabriel - I saw quite a bit of Ursinus, including their games against Gettysburg, Coast Guard, Amherst, and Hope along with following them before the tournament at games in Baltimore (Johns Hopkins) and one or two other locations during the 2007-2008 season. I am very familiar with who they had on the team, what their strengths and weaknesses were, and how they were coached. I also talked to Coach Kevin Small twice on Hoopsville late in the season and on other occasions. And the Bears' SID, James "Wags" Wagner, always kept me updated with information he felt I would need.

So I am not basing any of my statements on two games in Salem, Virginia. In fact, I thought they had played pretty well prior to Salem despite the injury to Shattuck and felt they could play pretty well in Salem. But because Shattuck was banged up (and by the way, he played 38 minutes against Amherst and was doing decently until he tweeked the ankle about halfway through the first half) and because they were simply out-matched on the court, a win against Amherst was a reach. Against Hope they couldn't keep up with the pace. I know Coach Small emptied the bench in the first half, but if that was a game that meant a trip to the championship or was the championship game, my money would have still been on Hope - even with a healthy Shattuck.

As for the officiating, I am usually one who will comment about officiating during a game, or during the half-time or post-game shows during our broadcasting, and I don't remember having a problem with the refs. Shema has never impressed me as a decent defender and against Amherst he couldn't keep up with the inside presence Amherst had. He couldn't get across the lane for help defense fast enough and if he cheated, Amherst found the open man on the backside nearly every time. I don't think Shema got hurt by the officials, but his lack of experience when compared to the players he was trying to go up against.

Finally... for the statement that the refs in the Ursinus/Amherst game would never ref a tournament game again... I find that a bit far-fetched. They graded out well enough that season to get to the Final Four (they weren't picked randomly) and I can't imagine they have been blacked balled from the tourney. I also can't believe that if they have been, it is information people can find out!

d-Mac,

Good response.  Shattuck did the best he could and better than most would given the injury.  He did play a lot of minutes against Amherst but could not keep up defensively---he could not change directions quickly on either end of the court.  You know that is what made him so good.

We all know Shema had his weaknesses but Ursinus would not have gotten to Salem without him.  At 6'11" and his wing span, his presence in the middle was intimidating.  He was great against Gettysburg, Weslyan and Coast Guard. If you liked the officiating, you are the only one I have talked to that did.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 30, 2009, 07:58:47 PM
Picks for 1/31

Gettysburg  home advan.
F & M      because
Muhlenberg  Home advan
Haverford      ditto
Ursinus          ditto

Only  giving F & M the travel victory this week... McDaniel may take the Mules but I'll take the homer
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2009, 09:13:08 PM
Gabriel - first off, I never said I liked the offciating... but I didn't have a huge problem with it. No game is perfect but all-and-all I didn't think how they called the game was a factor. And I suspect that everyone you have talked to is probably an Ursinis fan or at the least a CC fan... and no fan of a team is going to agree with someone's outside and impartial point of view on it! And I guess I shouldn't expect you, too either! :)

As for Shema... he played extremely well, especially against Gettysburg and Coast Guard. Coach Small even said to me on several occasions how impressed he was in Shema, especially considering he as playing far above his average and what he had shown during the seasion. But Shema simply was out-matched and struggled against a much more experienced Amherst squad who was also much faster in the paoint that Shema could handle. As good as he played, you had to expect a "down game" somewhere - and it happened against Amherst.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 30, 2009, 09:17:26 PM


Folks -

There's some more tough games to choose from again for Saturday. The following are my selections for the 1/31 pick-ems:

Washington   @   Gettysburg:   Gettysburg.   (Home court and a big rebound win by the Bullets).

Franklin And Marshall   @   Swarthmore:   Diplomats.   (The Garnet is outgunned, undermanned, and overmatched by the very athletic Diplomats in this one)!

McDaniel   @   Muhlenberg:   Muhlenberg.   (One of the tough ones to call.  With the usual favorable home refereeing, the Mules' inside power game wins out in a close one. Call it the "Mule Barn Mystique")!

Dickinson   @   Haverford:   Haverford.   (A coin flip here! I will take the Fords and home court).

Johns Hopkins   @   Ursinus:   Johns Hopkins.   (The toughest one of the bunch to choose - anyone have an injury report here? Looks like I might be out on a limb here by myself on this one! Jays usually travel well. They may also have just a bit more balance).

I am making the trek of three plus hours to Swarthmore tomorrow to see the Diplomats play. Enjoy the games! Good luck to all teams, Centennial Conference fans, and fellow prognosticators. Regards to everyone.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on January 31, 2009, 12:57:04 AM
Pick-ems for 1/31/09

Gettysburg
F & M.
Muhlenberg
Dickinson         
Ursinus

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 31, 2009, 10:57:38 AM
1/31 picks for "The Saturday we close out January"

Gettysburg
F&M
Muhlenberg
Haverford
Ursinus

That McDaniel-Muhlenberg game will be one to watch.  The Mules won't roll over the Terror like they did Ursinus, but I think Barnes and Liddic will provide enough scoring in the post to win.  Ursinus will save its season with a large win over JHU in Collegeville.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 31, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 30, 2009, 09:13:08 PM
Gabriel - first off, I never said I liked the offciating... but I didn't have a huge problem with it. No game is perfect but all-and-all I didn't think how they called the game was a factor. And I suspect that everyone you have talked to is probably an Ursinis fan or at the least a CC fan... and no fan of a team is going to agree with someone's outside and impartial point of view on it! And I guess I shouldn't expect you, too either! :)

As for Shema... he played extremely well, especially against Gettysburg and Coast Guard. Coach Small even said to me on several occasions how impressed he was in Shema, especially considering he as playing far above his average and what he had shown during the seasion. But Shema simply was out-matched and struggled against a much more experienced Amherst squad who was also much faster in the paoint that Shema could handle. As good as he played, you had to expect a "down game" somewhere - and it happened against Amherst.

d-mac,

Couldn't agree more.  For the sake of discussion, let me throw these out.

Nick Shattuck is the best player in the history of the Centennial Conference.   He averaged about 20 points per game the last two years of his career.  He was very selfless, always putting the team first.  He could easily have averaged 30 points per game his senior year if he weren't so unselfish.

Mike Shema really asserted himself after Shattuck was injured.  I was just as happy for him last year as I was for the Ursinus team.  He really only played three years at Ursinus since he was injured his freshman year.
He would have made a tremendous difference at Ursinus if he would have returned for one more year.  He could have had one more year of eligibility but he did graduate in May 2008 and Ursinus does not offer post graduate degrees.  Also, $50,000 to $60,000 a year is a lot for students to pay just to play basketball.  F&M had a similar situation a couple of years ago with one of the Lynch brothers.  Anyway, Shema made tremendous strides during his years at Ursinus.  His freshman year he could not run the length of the court with out stopping or tripping.  A long way from the bush of Rwanda and soccer balls.  Anyway, Powers, McNally and Barnes  must be really happy he is gone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2009, 05:07:39 PM
McDaniel 65   Muhlenberg   63,  Shoulda coulda didn't.
GAME TOTALS -- GAME OVER --
HOME TEAM:      Muhlenberg                63         VISITORS: McDaniel                   65
## -NAME-     FG-FA 3M-3A FT-FA RB AS F TP  ## -NAME-  FG-FA 3M-3A FT-FA RB AS F TP
3  MACINTO      0-0   0-0       0-0   1   0  1  0  00*J. ODUN   1-2    0-1    1-2      0  3   0  3
10*FRANKOS    3-8   0-0       0-0   4   1  2  6  11*HENRY,K    8-13 4-6    0-0      5  1   0 20
12 ROTH,DA      0-0   0-0      0-0   0   0  1  0  12 FINCH,R    3-3    2-2    0-0      2  3   1  8
20*ROSENBE    3-8   2-7       0-0   6   3  4  8  20 JARBOE,    0-1   0-0    0-0       0  0   0  0
30 BERNARD     0-1   0-0       1-2   0   0  1  1  21 DYSON,M   1-1   0-0    0-0      1  0   0  2
33 NWIZUGB    2-5   0-0       0-0   0   0 1   4   23*JONES,M  1-6    0-1    5-6      2  1   1  7
40*FOSTER,     3-9   2-8       3-3   5  4 0  11  30*SARRIS-   2-6   0-0    2-5      5  1   4  6
42*TOZER,E    1-4   1-2        0-0   1   1 0   3  32 HOUSTON  0-1   0-0    0-0      1  0   2  0
45 LIDDIC,      8-13  0-0       6-10 10  1 2  22  33 ARRINGT   4-7    0-0    0-0      6  5   5  8
50*BARNES,    4-7   0-0        0-0   8   3 4   8  34*MCKAY,J   5-12  0-0   1-3       5  0   2 11

TOTALS.... 24-55  5-17 10-15 37 13 16            TOTALS.... 25-52  6-10  9-16 30 14 15
TEAM--> FG:43.6%  3FG:29.4%  FT:66.7%       TEAM--> FG:48.1%  3FG:60.0%  FT:56.3%
TEAM--> TURNOVERS:19 BLOCKS:4 STEALS:1   TEAM--> TURNOVERS:13 BLOCKS:4 STEALS:5
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2009, 05:15:08 PM
Haverford  64  Dickinson 59

                         DCM                         Havmbk08
Field goals      21-49 42.9%             18-45 40.0%
3-point FGs    10-22 45.5%                 4-7 57.1%
Free throws     7-8   87.5%             24-30 80.0%
Reb (O-D)         23 (6-17)                 33 (11-22)
Turnovers         16                               15

Player                           FG 3FG FT   Reb  A  F   Pts
Matt Dolan f                 1-4 0-1 0-0    3     0 4   2
Cory Kenny f                6-11 4-6 0-0  4     1 3 16
Tom Leszczynski f        2-5 0-1 1-2    6    1 2 5
Kizmahr Grell g             6-13 5-9 2-2  1    3 4 19
Aaron Hill  g                 1-3 0-0 0-0    2    1 1 2
Timothy Crouch            2-3 0-0 1-1   2     0 5 5
Chris Harrington           0-1 0-0 0-0   0    1 0 0
Chris Heine                  0-0 0-0 0-0    0    0 0 0
Eric Rahauser              1-2 0-1 1-1    0    1 1 3
Pat Kearns                  2-7 1-4 2-2    1    0 0 7

Haverford College (9-9, 6-6 CC) 
Player                        FG 3FG FT          Reb  A  F    Pts
David Nowacki f        3-6 0-0 6-6          6     1 1   12
Brent Anderson f      3-5 0-0 3-3          3     1 0    9
Sam Permutt f         4-10 0-0 5-6         8      0 2   13
Matthew Palmer  g   2-4 1-2 5-5          3     1 5    10
Greg Rosnick g         1-6 0-0 5-8          6     4 1     7
Matthew Stitt           0-0 0-0 0-0        0     0 1     0
Alex Schwada           0-1 0-1 0-0         0    0 1     0
Lekan O-Nicholson   0-0 0-0 0-0          1     0 1     0
Ian Goldberg          4-12 3-4 0-0          2     1 0    11
Ben McDowell           0-0 0-0 0-2          0     1 0     0
Doug Edelman          1-1 0-0 0-0         0      0 0     2
Bo Friddell                0-0 0-0 0-0          0     2 0     0
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 31, 2009, 05:48:04 PM
According to the Gettysburg live stats:

Washington 64, Gettysburg 62

Quite a shocker at the Battlefield.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2009, 09:50:13 PM
Results 1/31/09 pick-em

Reserved Seat    4  -  1  Gettysburg got us all
Gabriel               3  -  2
Terror30            3  -  2
r.w.mcnickels     3  -  2
old ends            3  -  2
D.B.Cooper        2  -  3
Brce4               2  -  3
Diplomaniac1     2  -  3
UniqueNewYork  2  -  3
oldbballer          1  -  4

Overall

Tucker1129          12  -  3   (.800)
Old ends              45  -  15  (.750)
Reserved Seat      43  -  17  (.717)
Diplomaniac1       42  -  18  (.700)
UniqueNewYork    41  -  19  (.683)
D.B.Cooper          40  -  20  (.667)
Brce4                  37  -  23  (.617)
Gabriel                35  -  25  (.583)
r.w.mcnickels       35  -  25  (.583)
oldbballer              7  -  8    (.467)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2009, 10:11:08 PM
Again a top ranked team in the Conference takes a hit. As stated above Gettysburg  loses at home to Washington.

1. Dorsey must have gotten himself in foul trouble early.. He did foul out and only played 28 min of the game.  Except for Capkin the rest of the starters played under 30 min.

2. 3 - 16 from the 3 pt line...make one more and you win the game.
   Teams that only know how to shoot from 3pt range run into trouble when the cold hand hits.

3. Only 3 off rebounds while Washington had 10. Second chance shots lost even if you make half of them, it could turn the game.. Oh, by the way, Washington did get 5- 2nd chance points.

Stats show that they seem flat for 2 games in a row, that leaves the door open for a lot of people in the Conference. F & M now has the lead up 1 game over McDaniel and 2 up on Gettysburg.

Who will hold up in the final 3 weeks??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 31, 2009, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 31, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Nick Shattuck is the best player in the history of the Centennial Conference. 

I think it's Dave Jannetta.

You could also make a great argument for Dennis Stanton. 

Not taking anything away from Shattuck - all three could stake their claim.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 01, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
Here is what the papers are saying about yesterday.

Washington: http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09gettysburg2.html (http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09gettysburg2.html)

Ursinus: http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=1139 (http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=1139)

F & M: http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/news/Swarthmore2 (http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/news/Swarthmore2)

McDaniel: http://www.mcdaniel.edu/athletics/menbasketball/eventrev.cfm?id=272592592596 (http://www.mcdaniel.edu/athletics/menbasketball/eventrev.cfm?id=272592592596)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 01, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
Pick-em for 2/4/09

Swarthmore    at   McDaniel
Gettysburg      at   Dickinson
John Hopkins   at   F & M
Muhlenberg     at   Haverford
Ursinus           at   Washington

get them in before tip off
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2009, 12:51:24 PM
Best Player in the History of the Centennial Conference--boy, would that be a biased discussion.
Jannetta, Stanton, Shattuck, add Kraft(2000 first team All-American)

F&M's game was very sloppy.  F&M could never pull away.  Swarthmore picked a very good defensive game, but F&M had a lot shots that went in and out.  Ordonez played an excellent game.  F&M had a very balanced scoring attack which I believe is a key to their success, since you can't key on anyone player.  McNally was even one of the top 5 scorers and he's the season leader for F&M.  Brooks  and Scovil had outstanding games.  Milligan had a good game and makes things happen for F&M along with Brooks.  Baker had a solid game with rebounding and scoring.  Selig had some key moments, but is still struggling with his ankle injury.
Despite their record, Swarthmore came to play and never back off.

Hopefully, my continued polishing of my blue-tinted crystal ball will play off again for this Wednesday.

Pick-ems for 1/4/09

McDaniel(way too agressive for Swarthmore)
Gettysburg(what's going on here-two weeks ago I would have said an easy win)
F & M(continue to grow and mature)
Muhlenberg(tough one to call)
Ursinus (another tough one to call-Washington is the only team I haven't seen play this
              year)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 01, 2009, 01:01:00 PM
Picks for 2/4/2009

McDaniel (Swat has the will but not the way)
Dickinson (In an upset, both teams wildly inconsistent)
F&M (JHU will give them a game but home court prevails)
Haverford (Again, home court will be the decider)
Ursinus (Bears shooting well, if only the could defend)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 02, 2009, 10:48:53 AM
Went to see Dickinson play Haverford on Saturday. The Red Devils were winning 40 to 23 at half and in complete control. The second half was a disaster for Dickinson. They could do nothing right and let the Fords tie the game at 50. Then it looked like the Devils righted the ship and took a 5 point lead only to lose at the end. What an up and down team. They have talent but something seems to be missing. They didn't seem to play as a team in the second half, very disappointing loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 02, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
2/4/09 picks

McDaniel (Too athletic for Swat Especially at home where the Terror have won their last 6)
Gettysburg (Both teams struggling but Gettysburg will get it together)
Johns Hopkins (Upset! I think Bill Nelson will have the Jays ready to play at Tough F & M)
Muhlenberg (In a close one! In the end too much size for Haverford)
Ursinus (I think this will be another battle! especially at Washington)

McDaniel has 6 tough games remaining... Including at Gettysburg, at Hopkins, Home vs Ursinus, and at Washington... Yes that is correct "AT WASHINGTON" where the terror have not won in something like 10 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2009, 11:35:12 AM
Curious... would playing Gettysburg or Ursinus actually be considered "tough" anymore?

I will say it publicly for the first time, Gettysburg is my biggest disappoint so far this season. After returning so many players from last year's impressive team, losing to Haverford and Washington College (at home) while losing three of the last four is not something I expected from this talented and experienced a team. They need to run the table at this point and lose only in the CC championship game if they want a Pool C bid (though, that is still a long-reach). They of course also just have to win the conference AQ to make the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 02, 2009, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 02, 2009, 11:35:12 AM
Curious... would playing Gettysburg or Ursinus actually be considered "tough" anymore?

I will say it publicly for the first time, Gettysburg is my biggest disappoint so far this season. After returning so many players from last year's impressive team, losing to Haverford and Washington College (at home) while losing three of the last four is not something I expected from this talented and experienced a team. They need to run the table at this point and lose only in the CC championship game if they want a Pool C bid (though, that is still a long-reach). They of course also just have to win the conference AQ to make the tourney.

d-mac,

I would agree with you.  The two biggest disappointments have to be Gettysburg and Dickinson in that order.  Neither team is mentally tough enough to be a contender.  One could argue that Ursinus has been a disappointment as well, however, they were overrated in the preseason.  They are what they are-----6 and 6 which is about what I expected after Hilton went down.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2009, 12:31:06 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 02, 2009, 11:35:12 AM
Curious... would playing Gettysburg or Ursinus actually be considered "tough" anymore?

I will say it publicly for the first time, Gettysburg is my biggest disappoint so far this season. After returning so many players from last year's impressive team, losing to Haverford and Washington College (at home) while losing three of the last four is not something I expected from this talented and experienced a team. They need to run the table at this point and lose only in the CC championship game if they want a Pool C bid (though, that is still a long-reach). They of course also just have to win the conference AQ to make the tourney.

Gettysburg is a disappointment, but I wouldn't leave the Bullets for dead.  This slump has been unexpected, but the Bullets have some talented seniors who could easily put this behind them.

If I'm remembering this right, the current Gettysburg situation is similar to F&M in 2000 and Catholic U. in 2001.  Both of those teams had a core of seniors who were expected to roll through the regular season, but went through horrific slumps in January and were left for dead.  F&M then put together a run to the Final Four, and Catholic won the national title the following year.  I'm not saying Gettysburg will match those runs, but the Bullets could still right the ship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 02, 2009, 12:33:02 PM
D-Mac

You are right! Gettysburg has really been slipping the past couple of games but overall they are not performing as they did last year. After seeing them play early on in the season against a very below average York team, I didn't understand where the fire and passion had gone from a year ago. In knowing that Gettysburg returned almost everybody I was really excited for this upcoming season and to hopefully see them make a legitimate run through the NCAA's. Last year, Capkin proved to me that he was the purest shooter in the league and that he was capable of hitting the clutch shot. WHAT HAPPENED??? Powers, coming off a tremendous freshman year, seemed to be with no to very little improvement. He is still having a good season but I think that a lot of people can agree with me when I say that he has not lived up to his potential... The good thing about Powers though is that he is only a sophomore and with the other 4 starters graduating it is his team from now on. I was looking forward to a dominant Gettysburg team.

And As I've stated before I just don't see the togetherness and the fire that they showed to us last year. Maybe it's because of rising negative attitudes? At McDaniel, Dorsey seemed to bring the whole team down. He scored 2 points and clearly had a beef with Coach Pietrie. Showing disrespect to Petrie and his fellow teammates by not listening in huddles and trying to consume attention with his pouty attitude. After playing 28 minutes and fouling out of the Washington game he had only 2 points for the second game in a row. Gettysburg has been the biggest disappointment for me this year as well. I'm hoping Capkin can turn his season around in these last 6 games by showing us what he did last year, SHOOT THE ROCK!!!

I have to say that McDaniel is the biggest surprise of this season. I am going to be a little biased here but stick with me. I would have never thought, at this point of the season, McDaniel would be fighting for first place... After losing their bigmen -  All Conference Chris Prior (graduation) and leading scorer Brett Foelber (graduation), as well as Chad Arrington due to Team Violations, McDaniel and Coach Kevin Curley have really put themselves in a great position. Josh McKay has thrown out his arrogance and selfishness to play TEAM basketball. If you remember 2 years ago McKay would try to play more of a perimeter game by shooting 3's. Not saying he wasn't a horrible 3-point shooter, but at 6 foot 9 has had a very successful season playing great defense (except for the Muhlenberg Game) and dominating games (F & M and Hopkins). Chad Arrington has had his most productive and consistent season averaging almost 9 ppg and 7 rpg. The guard play, which is lead by Miguel Jones and Kevin Henry, is either on or its off but the defense that Coach Kevin Curley has established makes up for that and seems to be a lot more consistent this season. It's now or never for McDaniel. They lose 8 seniors at the end of this season. In the end, the lack of experience will hurt them. But I am excited to see how it turns out...

What you think?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 02, 2009, 05:19:14 PM
I think most people thought McDaniel would have a decent year, but agree in that they have surpassed most expectations-besides their own.  Now your comment about "It's now or never for McDaniel" doesn't really make too much sense to me.  It seems as though the program is turning a corner and will not be reverting back to its old ways.  You mentioned 8 seniors are graduating, but how many of them actually contribute?  As of late, McDaniel has been starting 2 seniors(McKay and Arrington) and have 2 seniors they play off the bench(Finch, Odulami).  With 3 of their starters and top scorers back in Miguel Jones(Junior), Kevin Henry(Soph), and Louis Sarris-Grau(Fresh) they have a nice core group returning, with some other key backups and a solid crew of freshman that will get alot more playing time as sophs.  Also, if you look around the league, many teams will be losing alot of key players after this season, with the exception of F &M.  Think about teams like Gettysburg(just about everyone gone, except Powers), Dickinson(4 out of 5 starters gone), Ursinus(Noonan, but return many juniors), etc.  So while I hope this nice run continues for this season, I by no means expect this trend to stop after this season.  Success breads more success and hopefully the program continues to rise.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2009, 06:13:06 PM
Pre-season rankings(current place)
1. Gettysburg (18), 162----(3)
2. Ursinus (2), 137----------(T4)
3. Dickinson, 126------------(9)
4. Johns Hopkins, 107------(T4)
5. Franklin & Marshall, 82--(1)
6. McDaniel, 79--------------(2)
7. Muhlenberg, 75----------(T4)
8. Haverford, 67-------------(T4)
9. Washington, 34----------(T4)
10. Swarthmore, 29--------(10)

It's going to be an exciting run to the finish.  Eight teams still with good chances for the play-offs.  Dickinson will need some major upsets.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 02, 2009, 08:49:31 PM
Picks for 2/4
McDaniel ( Simply too good for Swat)
Gettysburg (Due for a good game)
F&M(JHU doesn't have a good enough team to win this one)
Mules( need this one to keep playoff hopes alive)
Wash ( much improved and very tough at home)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 03, 2009, 04:27:46 PM
d3hoopsfan:

No one was saying "McDaniel will be in the top 3 teams in the league" in the preseason... I know that the preseason polls voted on by coaches and SIDs doesnt mean anything but  they were seeded 6th (in the lower half of the conference).

The program has continued to progress throughout the past 3 years. You have to remember that just 2 and a half seasons ago the terror lost their coach in the middle of the season. Before then they had been on a winning season and looking to clinch 4th in the conference. Kevin Curley has taken a "decent" team and turned them into a 2nd place team focusing on defense.

Jones, Henry, and Sarris-Grau are all very good players and are having great years! Other than those 3 players there is only 1 player returning next year that has played in 9 or more games (McDaniel has played 19 games total) and I mean this in all due respect but I dont know what you mean by "key backups."

Its a definite that they need a great recruiting class next year to fill the gaps that they will lose with McKay, Arrington, Finch, Odulami, and others. You have to remember that 6' 7" Senior/Captain Steve Wilson (who gave them some size before tearing his labrum in his shoulder) is also graduating. There are 11 players who average 10 minutes or more on McDaniel's Team so it is really hard for you to see what they are losing unless you watch them play. The core group of Jones, Henry, and Sarris-Grau will be good but what will they have past that? Jones has to be a huge leader next year being the lone senior.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 03, 2009, 08:39:49 PM
picks for 2/4/09

McDaniel
Gettysburg
F & M
Muhl
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 03, 2009, 08:42:23 PM
Congrats to both John Noonan, Ursinus, and Tim Kohlrus, Washington for Conference players of the week. Read the rest here
Click here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/index.html (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/index.html)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 03, 2009, 08:50:57 PM
Stats are in for games up to 2/3

Check it out before you make your picks

CLick here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 03, 2009, 08:52:29 PM
2/4 picks

McDaniel
G-burg (Devils may have spit the bit out)
F&M (expect a fierce battle, hope Dips can prevail)
M-berg (too much Liddic & Barnes, but should be close)
Ursinus (Bears stop Sho'man unless Noonan fouls out early)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: tucker1129 on February 03, 2009, 11:20:21 PM
Picks for 2/4

McDaniel
Gettysburg
F&M
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 03, 2009, 11:59:28 PM
Does anyone know if the 1993-94, 1994-95, and 1997-98 CC statistics are available anywhere?  I'm curious because I suspect that F&M is on pace to shoot fewer 3-pointers per game than any previous CC team.  Right now, F&M is at 6.95 Att/G.  The lowest average I could find was 9.12 Att/G by F&M in 1997-98.  No other CC team I could find averaged less than 10 Att/G.  As far as I can tell, the next lowest average for a D3 team this year is 10.26 Att/G by Ferrum.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on February 04, 2009, 08:19:01 AM
Picks for 2/4/09

McDaniel
F&M
Haverford
Washington
Gettysburg (Although if Dickinson woke up and double-teamed Powers-it could change the outcome)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 04, 2009, 09:35:14 AM
Good articles about McDaniel:

Ryan Finch finally getting some publicity for his 4 years of dedication and hard work!
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/01/30/sports/bsports13009.txt

This is a good article about this years McDaniel team published today.
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/04/sports/csports2409.txt
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 04, 2009, 01:02:10 PM
2/4 picks:

F&M
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Haverford
Ursinus

The Ursinus-WC game could be a very high-scoring affair.  I think Hopkins will come very close to upsetting F&M, but Milligan and Brooks will be the difference.  Gettysburg is just a guess - hard to figure either of those teams.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 04, 2009, 01:10:54 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 03, 2009, 11:59:28 PM
Does anyone know if the 1993-94, 1994-95, and 1997-98 CC statistics are available anywhere?  I'm curious because I suspect that F&M is on pace to shoot fewer 3-pointers per game than any previous CC team.  Right now, F&M is at 6.95 Att/G.  The lowest average I could find was 9.12 Att/G by F&M in 1997-98.  No other CC team I could find averaged less than 10 Att/G.  As far as I can tell, the next lowest average for a D3 team this year is 10.26 Att/G by Ferrum.

fritzdis - good to see you on the board again.  I'm not sure how to find those stats without contacting the CC office.  They don't appear to be on the website or in the media guide.

I think it's a very interesting stat.  Just from an observer's point of view, I can't remember any F&M team relying less on the 3-pointer than this year's squad.  Yet for much of the season, the Dips have led the conference in scoring offense.  That's a very rare combination.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 04, 2009, 04:09:05 PM
Current regional rankings

Middle Atlantic
1. Franklin & Marshall 17-2 16-2
2. Gwynedd-Mercy 15-2 14-1
3. DeSales 16-3 15-3
4. Wesley 12-5 10-1
5. St. Mary's (Md.) 15-4 12-2
6. McDaniel 14-5 12-4
7. Widener 14-5 12-5
8. Gettysburg 13-5 13-5

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on February 04, 2009, 05:34:37 PM
My picks:

McDaniel
Gettysburg
F & M
Muhlenberg     
Ursinus         

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 04, 2009, 06:45:54 PM





Folks -

Unfortunately a job-related meeting (skate park committee) will keep me in Mount Union this evening and not where I really want to be - Mayser Center!

So, very hurriedly here are my selections sans supporting rationales for tonight's (2/4) pick-ems:

McDaniel
Gettysburg
Franklin And Marshall
Muhlenberg
Washington

Good luck to all. Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 04, 2009, 09:47:37 PM
Despite only 2 points from their top 2 scorers(McNally/Milligan), F&M was able to take a 3 point lead at the half with the help of Brooks and Scovill.  Tollivar contributed to the first half scoring.
F&M look lethargic, but Selig stepped up his game and with Brooks continued strong 2nd half, F&M opened up an 11 point lead by the end of the end.  Milligan scored all his points(9) in the second half.  McNally and Baker never got their offensive games going, but contributed 11 and 7 rebounds respectfully.
Again with no dominate go-to threat, someone stepped up to lead the team.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 05, 2009, 11:21:43 AM
Picks for 2/7/2009

F&M (Washington will give the a fight but home court wins)
JHU (Same as above)
Gettysburg (Could go either way but--again, must go with home court)
McDaniel (Bears do not know how to close out games on the road)
Dickinson ( a battle of the bottom feeders)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 05, 2009, 03:44:20 PM
results for 2/4/09

Brce4                  5  -  0 Congrats on your perfect slate this week
Reserved Seat    4  -  1
Diplomaniac1      5  -  0
D.B. Cooper        4  -  1
Tucker1129        4  -  1
Oldbballer          4  -  1
UniqueNewYork   4  -  1
Old ends            4  -  1
Gabriel              3  -  2
r.w.mcnickels     3  -  2
Terror30            3  -  2

Overall

Tucker1129       16  -   4  (.800)
Old ends           49 - 16  (.754)
Reserved Seat   47 - 18  (.723)
Diplomaniac1     47 - 18  (.723)
UniqueNewYork  45 - 20  (.692)
D.B.Cooper        44 - 31  (.677)
Brce4                42 - 23  (.646)
Terror30             6 -   4  (.600)
Gabriel              38 - 27 (.585)
r.w.mcnickels     38 - 27 (.585)
oldbballer          11 -  9  (.550)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 05, 2009, 03:47:55 PM
Picks for 2/7/09

Washington  @  F & M ( Washington is getting hot is F&M hotter)
Haverford     @  John Hopkins
Muhlenberg  @  Gettysburg
Ursinus         @  McDaniel
Swarthmore  @ Dickinson

By tip off Sat please.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 05, 2009, 03:50:57 PM
News on last nights games
Washington: http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09gettysburg2.html (http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09gettysburg2.html)

McDaniel: http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/05/sports/asports2509.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/05/sports/asports2509.txt)
http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233463
F & M : //

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 05, 2009, 04:33:15 PM
If you look at the Centennial Conference stats through 13 games without looking at the standings, you would think Ursinus would be doing quite well instead of languishing at 6-7.  They do very well statistically in almost every offensive category except offensive rebounding and turnovers where they rank 10th with an average of almost 18 turnovers per game and a turnover differential of almost 7 per game.  That means they are giving other teams, on the average, 7 more shots per game than they are getting. That is a big give away and the major reason for their poor season thus far. 

The other big problem is their interior defense.  The are tied with Washington for the 8/9 spots in scoring defense and last in blocked shots.
Their perimeter defense is O.K. but the perimeter defenders don't move their feet well and release too early on drives to the basket, perhaps thinking that Shema will pick them up----perhaps forgetting that Shema graduated last May and the current post defenders can't guard anyone.

Blaming the season on the loss of Matt Hilton to injury is too easy.  The real reasons for the sub par year are poor ball handling and a porous defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 05, 2009, 04:43:20 PM
2/7 picks

F & M - dip's scorers will rebound from sluggish game on Wednesday
Hopkins
Gettysburg
McDaniel - havent seen Ursinus this season but from what I hear McDaniel will have too much size.
Dickinson - No upset there.

Excited to see Ursinus at McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 05, 2009, 04:52:05 PM
Picks for 2/7/09
F & M (due for a good game after 2 sluggish games)
John Hopkins(going with the home team)
Gettysburg(even though they still don't seem to be playing as a team)
McDaniel(too strong especially at home for Ursinus)
Dickinson(should be able to hold off Swarthmore)


Gabriel,
I agree.  Ursinus' problems are more than just missing Hilton.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2009, 05:56:18 PM
Just a reminder that McDaniel coach Kevin Curley will be one of our guests on Hoopsville tonight. The show airs from 6-8 ET and he will be in the first hour.

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.php
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 05, 2009, 09:25:09 PM
2/7 picks, can't find a road team I think will win on Saturday
F&M ( Shoremen playing well and will fight to the end but F&M is just too good to lose at home)
Hopkins (Haverford has over achieved but will lose in Baltimore)
Gettysburg (Mules have struggled lately and are a notoriously bad road team)
McDaniel(Ursinus is just too small to handle the terror)
Dickinson ( Not sure what happened to Dickinson this year but still too good for the garnet)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 05, 2009, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on February 04, 2009, 06:45:54 PM

Old Ends -

Please check my score and overall record. I think that I was also 5 - 0 for last night's games. Thanks.

Eric



Folks -

Unfortunately a job-related meeting (skate park committee) will keep me in Mount Union this evening and not where I really want to be - Mayser Center!

So, very hurriedly here are my selections sans supporting rationales for tonight's (2/4) pick-ems:

McDaniel
Gettysburg
Franklin And Marshall
Muhlenberg
Washington

Good luck to all. Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 06, 2009, 12:35:22 PM
Diplomaniac1   

it has been corrected, sorry about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 06, 2009, 03:09:21 PM
2/7 picks:

F&M
Johns Hopkins
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Dickinson

If the Dips don't let the regional ranking get into their heads, they should hold off a hot Washington team.  If they continue to play as they did against Swat and JHU, the Sho'men walk away with a huge upset.  But McNally is due for a big game, and I think the Dips will start playing better offensively once he gets going.

The home teams should prevail across the board.  I think Ursinus will make a run over the home stretch, but it won't begin until Wednesday night against F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 06, 2009, 06:51:18 PM


Folks -

Isn't it amazing how even a small temperature rise of  five or ten degrees feels downright balmy?!?

Regardless, here are my selections for the 2/7 pick-ems as follows:

Washington @ Franklin And Marshall:   Franklin And Marshall.

Haverford @ Johns Hopkins:  Johns Hopkins. (The Blue Jays should prevail at home. They probably need this game more than the Fords, who may be out of it).

Muhlenberg @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg. (The Bullets should beat a weak road team at home).

Usinus @ McDaniel:   McDaniel. (I think the Terror has too much speed, atheleticism, physicality, and height for the Bears, especially at home).

Swarthmore @ Dickinson:   Dickinson. (No reason to believe otherwise).

I am looking forward to being at Mayser Center in Lancaster on Saturday afternoon. Good luck to all teams, Centennial Conference fans, and fellow prognosticators. Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 06, 2009, 08:07:40 PM
Picks for 2/7

F & M
John Hopkins
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Dickinson

I was leaning towards Muhlenberg but then I caught this article and said not this weekend.
http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11638645 (http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11638645)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 06, 2009, 08:59:05 PM
2/7 picks

F&M
JHU
G-burg
McDaniel
Dickinson

Home teams should prevail, there will likely be at least one Road winner but I couldn't tell you who.

As indicated by RW I also think the desperation surge of Ursinus will begin next Wednesday in Collegeville. They will shoot 50+% 3-pointers & 95% during frequent trips to the charity stripe. The zebras will make sure that that the Dips athletic aggressive defense will ambushed with their whistles.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on February 07, 2009, 08:20:14 AM
picks for 2/7


Mcdaniel
gettysburg
hopkins
F&M
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on February 07, 2009, 09:10:04 AM
My picks

F & M
Haverford   
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Dickinson

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 07, 2009, 05:54:30 PM
Muhlenberg 62   Gettysburg 58   we all took a hit here.

stats for game here:http://www.sidearmstats.com/gettysburg/mbball/xlive.htm (http://www.sidearmstats.com/gettysburg/mbball/xlive.htm)

Looks like Muhlenberg had 20 turnovers Gettysburg had 8  and still lost

McDaniel won 66 to Ursinus 60
Stats: http://www.mcdaniel.edu/athletics/stats/live/hoops/xlive.htm (http://www.mcdaniel.edu/athletics/stats/live/hoops/xlive.htm)

Dickinson 71  Swarthmore 52
Stats http://www.dickinson.edu/sports/statistics/livestats/XLIVE.HTM (http://www.dickinson.edu/sports/statistics/livestats/XLIVE.HTM)


Haverford 56  John Hopkins 52
no stats

F & M 93  Washington 60 with 2 min to go.




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 07, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
Results for 2/7

UniqueNewYork  4  -  1
everyone else    3  -  2

Overall

Old Ends                52  -  18 (.743)
Reserved Seat        50  -  20 (.714)
Diplomaniac1          50  -  20 (.714)
UniqueNewYork       49  -  21 (.700)
D.B.Cooper             47  -  23 (.671)
Brce4                    45  -  25 (.643)
Terror30                 9  -    6 (.600)
Gabriel                   41  -  29 (.586)
r.w.mcnickels          41  -  29 (.586)
oldbballer               14  -  11 (.560)
Tucker1129             16  -  4
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 07, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
Pick-em for 2/11/09

Dickinson      @   McDaniel
Gettysburg   @  John Hopkins
F & M            @  Ursinus
Swarthmore @ Muhlenberg
Washington  @ Haverford

By Tip off Weds
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2009, 07:53:48 PM
What's going on with Gettysburg?  Everyone expected a dominated team as indicated by their early ranking.

Meanwhile at F&M, the Dips could seem to do little wrong.  The big men scored 50 points(Selig 17--McNally 17--Baker 16)  Robinson must have been happy with the play in the paint, except at points when he yelled, "Just run the offensive.  If there were any concerns, it would have been Milligan's attempt to do too much at times.  It hard to complain though, because he can do so much and really keeps the offense rolling.  Scovill continued to be at the right place at the right time to get a lot of points.
The Washington fans continued to cheer their team by encouraging Timmy(Kolhrus) to carry the team, but unfortunately Lassie never showed up to help Timmy.
Did anyone find out what is the record for the least number of 3's attempted in a game?
F&M was only one for eight.
Brooks' athletic ability and energy were evident all over the court.
Another big game for a young team at Ursinus on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 08, 2009, 08:43:15 AM
Congrats to Dan Capkin, Gettysburg and Todd Green, Washington for making the 2009 Academic All- District mens Basketball Team District 2

Link here:http://cosida.com/documents/2009/2/5/09mensbasketball.pdf (http://cosida.com/documents/2009/2/5/09mensbasketball.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 08, 2009, 08:59:20 AM
Some of the articles on yesterdays games:

McDaniel: http://www.eveningsun.com/localsports/ci_11653780 (http://www.eveningsun.com/localsports/ci_11653780)

F & M: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233605 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233605)
and
http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233606 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233606)

Dickinson( it is below the girls game recap)
http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/02/08/sports/local/doc498e53052ec41397700906.txt (http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/02/08/sports/local/doc498e53052ec41397700906.txt)

Gettysburg: http://www.gettysburgsports.com/News/mbball/2009/2/7/090207_Muhlenberg.asp?path=mbball (http://www.gettysburgsports.com/News/mbball/2009/2/7/090207_Muhlenberg.asp?path=mbball)

John Hopkins: http://hopkinssports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/020709aaa.html (http://hopkinssports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/020709aaa.html)

enjoy



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 08, 2009, 09:37:25 AM
Contrasts abound in the CC. F&M took a rather typical paltry 8 shots from behind the arc yesterday, but by comparison I think Muhls & Bullets took 46! This is why Dips games against Ursinus & G-burg are fraught with peril. 1st loss to G-burg came largely because they knocking down long trifectas from all over the yard at a high % (but when they go cold they are losing to the mid-pack CC teams at times). I will be very surprised if Dips go into Hellferich and win from recent experience they will have to be 20+ points better to do so (possible but a tall order as Bears will be playing to avoid essential elimination from CC race).

If Dips can somehow only lose one game (but with three tough road games left) I think that even if they lost in the CC playoffs they would definitely get an at-large bid. It is possible that even 2 losses could leave them as the top Mid-Atlantic ranked team, but from past happenings it is better not to cut it close. With all but one CC team at about .500 or better and and an out of conference D3 CC winning % around 74, by all rights CC should get two NCAA teams, especially if McDaniel & F&M meet in the finals. Just my opinion anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2009, 07:58:16 PM
F&M can't afford a "bad" loss (like to Haverford or Dickinson) and get at least into the semifinals of the CC tournament. They win out to that point, I doubt they don't make the NCAA tourney. Then the CC could see a second team come out of the conference with the AQ being that #2 team.

Now, if it is McDaniel and F&M in the championship game, I could see maybe both teams going to the tourney - however, McDaniel can't take a loss inbetween now and then - IMHO.

That all being said, the CC isn't no where close to a lock of two teams in the tournament and I wouldn't come close to betting on it right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 08, 2009, 10:54:13 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 08, 2009, 09:37:25 AM
If Dips can somehow only lose one game (but with three tough road games left) I think that even if they lost in the CC playoffs they would definitely get an at-large bid. It is possible that even 2 losses could leave them as the top Mid-Atlantic ranked team, but from past happenings it is better not to cut it close. With all but one CC team at about .500 or better and and an out of conference D3 CC winning % around 74, by all rights CC should get two NCAA teams, especially if McDaniel & F&M meet in the finals. Just my opinion anyway.

My expectations were so low entering the season that I thought a berth as the No. 4 seed in the CC playoffs would be a success.  You could see a few pieces of the puzzle come together last season, but there was no way I would have believed this in November.

An article in today's Sunday News talks about how F&M got back on track after three depressing seasons:

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233606
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 09, 2009, 08:50:21 AM
Wow! What a year it is turning out to be. I was in Westminster for the game against Ursinus on Saturday. An incredible game. Ursinus played very well and looked like the team who owned everyone in the CC last season. The bears shot the ball very well especially during the 2nd half where they shot 55%.

Noonan had a spectacular outing and didn't seem fazed by the tough McDaniel D. He would post up smaller opponents or take the ball to the hole on bigger mcdaniel players. Ursinus really caused some matchup issues with McDaniel, running a 4 guard offense or sometimes even a 5 guard offense with Noonan as the center limited the playing time of McDaniel's center Josh McKay. Early in the 2nd half McDaniel had some let downs on Defense and Ursinus converted on many and 1's, because McDaniel players refused to step in and take charges.

Miguel Jones took over the game for McDaniel in the final minutes. Jones scored 8 of his team high 19 in the final 2 minutes of the game. Including a huge 3 pointer to put McDaniel up 5 with 13 seconds left. Overall a great game... glad to see McDaniel pull it out!

Even if McDaniel wins out and loses in the Championship, I still think its really going to be tough for them to get an atlarge bid into the NCAA's. I am expecting some love in the polls this week though! What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 09, 2009, 11:50:12 AM
Picks for 2/11/2009

Ursinus (Good to be back home)
McDaniel (The better team wins)
JHU (Close game but JHU prevails)
Muhlenberg ( Swat stays win less)
Haverford ( Home team advantage)

I go with home teams.  Ursinus and JHU win in upsets.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2009, 06:37:38 PM
Pick-em for 2/11/09

McDaniel(just too strong--Lesz should get his points)
Gettysburg(who knows-has more talent, but doesn't seem to play as a team)
F & M (have to shut down the 3-pointers)
Muhlenberg(shouldn't lose to Garnet at home)
Washington(another toss-up, could easily go the other way)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 09, 2009, 07:56:59 PM
Picks for 2/11

McDaniel (Battles to host CC tourney)
G-burg (Should emerge in tussle between teams in tough spell)
Ursinus (Poltergeist is in the arena)
M-berg
Haverford (Flying Squirrels play tough defense at home)

If Dips could perform an exorcism & get out Collegeville with a win (when was the last time, 2001 or 2002) then I have to suspend my traumatic last 3 years of losses being pulled from the jaws of victory & have to believe these youngsters are the real deal & hope to see them at the sweet 16 weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 10, 2009, 08:01:15 AM
pick ems for 2/11

Gettysburg
Ursinus (really impressed me by the way they played last sat)
Muhlenberg
Washington
Dickinson(upset on Senior Day)

pickin 2 big upsets in Ursinus and Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 10, 2009, 08:11:45 AM
Picks for 2/11
McDaniel (better team)
JHU( Gettysburg struggling and JHU needs a win)
Ursinus(Can't believe bears won't make playoffs need this one)
Mules(Swat doesn't have enough talent for the upset)
Wash(2 scrappy teams Wash may be a little more talented)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 10, 2009, 10:35:36 AM
2/11 picks:

Ursinus
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Haverford

Despite F&M's lofty ranking, I don't see the Dips coming out of Collegeville with anything but a painful loss.  As noted by D.B., it's been ages since F&M has won there.  Kevin Small's system always seems to make the Dips play out of their element.  Noonan might score 25 or 30, while the Bears as a team will likely shoot at least 20 treys and make at least 10 of them.  Ursinus is simply too good not to make the CC playoffs, and the comeback will start at F&M's expense.

I think we'll have a tie for first place after Wednesday night.  Congrats to McDaniel on receiving votes in the Top 25 this week, becoming the fourth Centennial team to do so this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldbballer on February 10, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
Picks for 2/11

Hopkins
Muhlenberg
Washington
F&M
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 10, 2009, 06:20:25 PM
Picks 2/11/09

McDaniel
John Hopkins
F & M
Muhlenberg
Washington

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 10, 2009, 06:22:09 PM
Congrats to Dan Selig F & M Conference player of the week

See the rest here:

http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_209.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_209.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 10, 2009, 06:24:07 PM
Stats are in for games to 2/9

http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 11, 2009, 10:37:50 AM


Folks -

It looks to me like there are four fairly tough match-ups in tonights games that are hard to make a choice in. My selections for the 2/11 pick-ems follow below:

Dickinson @ McDaniel:   McDaniel.   (Terror at home has too much speed and athletecism for the Red Devils).

Gettysburg @ Johns Hopkins:   Johns Hopkins.   (I am taking the Bullets on the road who really need a victory to keep from falling lower down the ladder for the conference tournament seedings. However, Jays are always tough at home and it was hard to pick against them).

F&M @ Ursinus:   F&M.   (Picking with heart and not the brain! Hopefully, the young Diplomats can get one more monkey off of the team's collective back yet this year).

Muhlenberg @ Swarthmore:   Muhlenberg.   (Even the Muhles who are notoriously weak on the road should win at Tarble. Enough said).

Washington @ Haverford:  Haverford.   (Fords appear to be playing better as of late, especially at home. I am not sure which Shoremen squad will show up after their "beat-down" in Lancaster at Mayser. Slight edge to the home team due to long trek from Chestertown).

Unfortunately, I will not make Collegeville tonight - entirely too much traveling on a work night as it is over three and one-half hours from Mount Union one way! As much as I want to see the game, I would have to take tomorrow off affter traveling seven plus hours for a two hour game! I will be at Mayser on Satruday, February 14 for the Haverford game.

Enjoy the games! To all of those folks traveling to tonight's games - have a safe trip. Good luck to all teams, fans, and prognosticators! Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on February 11, 2009, 11:12:34 AM
Pick-em for 2/11/09

McDaniel
John Hopkins
F & M           
Muhlenberg
Washington 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 11, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on February 11, 2009, 10:37:50 AM
Gettysburg @ Johns Hopkins:   Johns Hopkins.   (I am taking the Bullets on the road who really need a victory to keep from falling lower down the ladder for the conference tournament seedings. However, Jays are always tough at home and it was hard to pick against them).

Eric -

It looks like you meant to pick Gettysburg in tonight's game at JHU (unless you changed your mind as you were typing!).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 11, 2009, 07:55:27 PM

r. w. and old ends -

You have good eyes! Yes, my intent was to choose Gettysburg. I must have gotten interrupted with a phone call while sending this from work. Well, better late than never. Thanks for giving me a chance to clarify and correct! Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 11, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
Always glad to lose a pick-em because the Dips prove me wrong for my only incorrect pick. They've gotten most of the ghosts sent back to the Twilight Zone now with a sweep over the Bears. I guess I'll have to try to get off for the Sweet 16/Elite 8 weekend now.

Another point is how about that true freshman Giorgio Milligan! His stats jump off the page at you. His leadership is amazing for one so inexperienced. I can't think of a point guard  I would trade him for in the CC. I'm thinking he should be 1st team all-conference. The Dips would be fairly good without him, but could easily have 5 or more extra losses.

Thought for the rest of the season into March "Let's go Blue".
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 11, 2009, 11:42:28 PM
750
Another exciting game for F&M's youthful squad.
Despite horrendous foul shooting and some questionable officiating(what is a walk and what is an intentional), F&M was able to pull off an impressive win on the road.  An enthusiastic crowd from Ursinus(fortunately less than past years) was able to rattle F&M on the line. 
Brooks, when he was on the court,  pressured Noonan into an off night. Burnett had an incredible night shooting threes(7 for 10), preventing F&M from pulling away.   Cousart did a nice job of moving the ball, and Page played an extremely agressive defense(how he didn't foul out I have no clue.  Selig played very little as he was saddled with fouls(2 questionable).
Scovill had a great game.  Ursinus challenged him to shoot, and fortunately he was up to the task.  McNally(20 points) and Baker( a double double) performed well under the basket.  Tolliver knocked down a couple key 3-pointers.  Finally, Milligan continued to show his leadership directing the offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 11, 2009, 11:57:03 PM
750 for the coach,
1200 for the program,
a pre-game shout out on SportsCenter...

and Duke lost ;D 

If only North Carolina could have somehow also lost. Trying not to let good be the enemy of perfect.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 12, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 11, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
Always glad to lose a pick-em because the Dips prove me wrong for my only incorrect pick. They've gotten most of the ghosts sent back to the Twilight Zone now with a sweep over the Bears. I guess I'll have to try to get off for the Sweet 16/Elite 8 weekend now.

Another point is how about that true freshman Giorgio Milligan! His stats jump off the page at you. His leadership is amazing for one so inexperienced. I can't think of a point guard  I would trade him for in the CC. I'm thinking he should be 1st team all-conference. The Dips would be fairly good without him, but could easily have 5 or more extra losses.

Thought for the rest of the season into March "Let's go Blue".

I'm shocked that the Dips won in their own House of Horrors tonight.  Even though Ursinus is down this year, this has to rank as one of F&M's most important wins of the year.  I agree with what D.B. said about Milligan, and would add that he's having the best freshman season I've ever seen in the Centennial Conference.

F&M and McDaniel stay in a two-horse race for hosting rights in the CC tournament.  I think McDaniel will sweep three on the road, forcing F&M to win out.  Who would have predicted these two squads duking it out for home court?

As for the Sweet 16 weekend, there's a lot of basketball between now and then -- the chicks have not hatched!  But I wouldn't have predicted a 20-win season for F&M, or McDaniel to be at 17-5.  So maybe the conference will surprise us all again with two teams in the dance.  Stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 12, 2009, 09:31:28 AM
Great game in Westminster last night. All 6 active seniors played a significant amount and scored on Senior Day for McDaniel. I am severely regretting not picking my team for the win this past week. Any thought of an upset was thrown out of the window when Dickinson allowed the terror to get 15 offensive rebounds, the very big majority of them coming in the first half.

Dickinson was struggling to block out and McDaniel was capitalizing. Statistically McDaniel beat Dickinson in every single category, besides free throw percentage, but the key matchup was denying the ball from Grell. In their previous matchup this season Grell had 20 points on 7 of 10 shooting, last year in the play in game to the conference tournament he had over 20, so coming into this game most McDaniel loyalists knew that he could and probably would be the deciding factor. Coach Curley established 100% denial in any front court situation for 40 minutes of the game. With Miguel Jones playing limited minutes due to the flu it gave the opportunity for Senior TJ Odunlami to shine on senior day. Odunlami did a terrific job on both ends of the court, forcing Grell to shoot just 3 for 10 from the field and also making Grell work hard on Defense. Odunlami ended up with 15 total points and 6 assists. With this win over Dickinson the Terror have now set a school record for wins in a single season with 17. Great outing and final home salute to the seniors to McDaniel!

Few comments on Dickinson... with just under 2 minutes to go McDaniel was up 10 with the ball and Dickinson seemed to fold: not fouling to stop the clock especially when McDaniel shot less than 50% free throw percentage. McDaniel swung the ball with ease against Dickinson's lackadaisical defense, Players on McDaniel who shoot free throws just above .500 for the season were taking the ball and holding it. Didn't understand Dickinson's lack of effort on that.

Leszczynski had a great game ending up with 22 and 13 but it seemed like They had to slow the ball up each time down to get the ball inside to him. Why are they not pushing the ball and letting Grell try to take his man 1 on 1? Granted last night it was VERY hard against a swarming Defense like McDaniel's but every time Grell would drive it seemed that the middle would be so jammed with his own teammates and their defenders that it was tough to get any type of shot. It seems like the season is already over for them but I'm just curious after 4 years of seeing the quickness and speed of Grell why he wouldn't have more freedom. What are your comments?

Good to see McDaniel get some love in the rankings too! Big time win for McDaniel! and I'd like to publicly apologize for doubting!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 12, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Reserved Seat: Agree great road win for the Dips. I was also surprised that there wasn't more fans. Very few F & M faithful. That being said, Ursinus is a tough place to play, their student section fans are some of the best in the CC. I also questioned several of the calls late in the game. Why wasn't the intentional foul called? You are also right, the Bears should have been called for several walks which the Refs just ignored. Overall, a very entertaining night. I think one of the Keys was holding Noonan to 2 points in the first half and Scovill came up with some big shots at the right time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 12, 2009, 12:44:56 PM
Picks for 2/14/2009 Happy Valentines Day

F&M (On a roll and at home)
Ursinus (Bears prevail in the battle of the under achievers)
JHU (a mild upset that Hopkins must have to stay in the hunt)
Gettysburg (although dysfunctional they have enough to beat Swat)
Washington (my upset of the day, Shoremen tough at home)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 12, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
I agree with what D.B. said about Milligan, and would add that he's having the best freshman season I've ever seen in the Centennial Conference.

A quote from r.w. 

r.w.

No doubt Milligan is have a wonderful year, however, before you anoint him "the best freshman ever", I can think of three who might compete for the "title"

Mike McGarvey in 2003
Nick Shattuck in 2005
Richie Barrett in 1998

I am sure there are more
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 12, 2009, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 12, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
r.w.

No doubt Milligan is have a wonderful year, however, before you anoint him "the best freshman ever", I can think of three who might compete for the "title"

Mike McGarvey in 2003
Nick Shattuck in 2005
Richie Barrett in 1998

I am sure there are more

Gabriel-

Good point about other freshmen.  It's a fun debate, because you can look at it several ways (statistically, greatest impact on the team, etc).  McGarvey, Shattuck, and Barrett all had tremendous rookie years.  I think McGarvey had the best season of those three, starting as a freshman point guard for a team that won the conference.  And didn't he lead the CC in assists as a freshman?

Here's the reason I said Milligan is having the best rookie year I've seen: He might be F&M's most indispensable player on a team with several key players.  He's among the CC leaders in scoring, assists, steals, blocks, and minutes played.  As D.B. said, if you take away Milligan, F&M is not sitting at 20-2 right now.   Gettysburg coach Petrie said in a recent article that Milligan is the key to the Dips.  Maybe others in the Centennial have had better freshman seasons, but Milligan has had the most impressive statistical season and the greatest impact of any rookie I've seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 12, 2009, 02:03:39 PM
r.w.

McGarvey did lead in assists and, I believe in steals.  He was such a smart player with great court sense----attributes that don't always show in the stats.  Shattuck did not start as a freshman but played lots of minutes as the sixth man and was always on the floor at "crunch time".  I did not see Barrett play that much but his statistics speak for themselves and he was 1st team all conference as a freshman.

Milligan will be first team all conference, I think.  Who will the others be?  Who will the the POY?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 12, 2009, 03:54:35 PM
Ugh ... had a reply typed, but I guess it took too long and I got logged out and lost the post.  That's what I get for eating before finishing.  Anyway, here's the gist:

Milligan can set the CC records for A/G (5.6 - current record is 5.1) and S/G (2.4 - current record is 2.3) by a freshman if he continues to play at a high level.

Milligan's numbers are better than McGarvey's freshman year in almost every category.  The biggest difference is in scoring (14.2 vs 8.6) - McGarvey wasn't asked to score nearly as much because he had 3 other scorers (19 ppg, 19 ppg, and 16 ppg). McGarvey was more efficient because of his 3-point shooting, and I wonder how the A/G would compare if "hockey assists" were counted.  Still, given how much Milligan is asked to do, I think his season (so far) is better.

Also, unless the CC record book is wrong, Barret was 2nd team as a freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 12, 2009, 04:15:02 PM
Results for 2/11 pick-em

Gabriel,   Diplomaniac1, UniqueNew York, and Old ends went 4-1

D.B.Cooper,Reserved Seat, Brce4, oldbballer and r.w.mcnickels went 3-2

Terror30 had 1-4

Overall

Old ends               56  -  19  (.747)
diplomaniac1         54  -  21  (.720)
Reserved Seat       53  -  22  (.707)
UniqueNewYork      53  -  22  (.707)
D.B.Cooper           50  -  25  (.667)
Brce4                  48  -  27  (.653)
Gabriel                 45  -  30  (.600)
r.w.mcnickels        44  -  31  (.587)
oldbballer             17  -  13  (.567)
Terror30               10  -  10  (.500)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2009, 04:40:32 PM
Old Ends,
I believe I was only 3-2.  I had only 4 individuals at 4-1.


The end of F&M's game was quite humorous as Brundage chased McNally all over the court trying to foul him, even though the ball was still being inbounded at the other end of the court.
I was waiting for McNally to run off the court to see if Brundage would follow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 12, 2009, 04:42:32 PM
Pick-em for 2/14/09

Haverford     @    F  & M
Dickinson      @   Ursinus
Muhlenberg  @  John Hopkins
Gettysburg   @  Swarthmore
McDaniel       @  Washington

By tip off Sat please
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 12, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
RS

tis fixed...sorry for the oops, can only blame it on flying back from Fl to get people in to fix Yesterdays storm damage.. Trees and fencing took a hit. Looked almost like loggers came and drop trees and forgot to cut them up.

None near the house so hopefully by Sunday I can get back down to FL.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2009, 04:50:27 PM
Pick-ems for Valentine's Day

F  & M(hopefully, no let down on Selig(senior) Night)
Ursinus(still a scary team with a lot weapons-home crowd helps drastically)
Muhlenberg(like their big man against JH)
Gettysburg (should finally get a win)
McDaniel (still fighting for regular season title)

Why is Gettysburg struggling?  The only rumors I've heard is they don't play as a team-more concerned with individual stats.  True???

How is home court for the play-offs determined if F&M and McDaniel tie.  Season split--head-to-head
Still counting on Gettysburg to beat(upset) McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 12, 2009, 04:52:46 PM
A lot of articles about last nights games:

F & M: http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/news/Ursinus2 (http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/news/Ursinus2)

McDaniel: http://www.mcdaniel.edu/athletics/menbasketball/eventrev.cfm?id=275555555559 (http://www.mcdaniel.edu/athletics/menbasketball/eventrev.cfm?id=275555555559)

Muhlenberg: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/winter09/211.html (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/winter09/211.html)

John Hopkins: http://hopkinssports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/021109aaa.html (http://hopkinssports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/021109aaa.html)

Haverford: http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/story.php?id=16291&u=3
enjoy




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 12, 2009, 05:02:33 PM
Reserved Seat... Straight from the Rule Book for the Conference

http://www.centennial.org/manual/PDF/2009/055-058-M-Basketball.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/manual/PDF/2009/055-058-M-Basketball.pdf)

It is all there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 12, 2009, 09:47:55 PM
Old Ends
I was 3-2 as well. Failed to pick F&M and Haverford
Picks for 2-14
F&M(looking for 1 seed)
Ursinus(Dickinson has nothing to play for and on the road)
JHU(Mules historically lose in Baltimore)
Gettysburg(Swat destined to finish conference play winless)
McDaniel(Shoremen tough at home but McDaniel too good)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 13, 2009, 05:46:04 PM
Picks for 2/14

F & M
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
McDaniel

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 13, 2009, 06:26:02 PM
Regional rankings are out.

Middle Atlantic Region
1. F & M               19-2 18-2
2. DeSales           17-3 16-3
3. St. Mary's (Md.) 18-4 15-2
4. Wesley             15-6 13-2
5. McDaniel          16-5 14-4
6. Gwynedd-Mercy 15-5 14-4
7. Widener           16-5 14-5
8. Gettysburg      14-6 14-6

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 13, 2009, 06:32:08 PM
Now to really mess with your head check out the strength of schedule on the D3hoops.com  site.. Read everything and if you still have questions.. trust me it works.

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 13, 2009, 07:31:39 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections and guessing rationales for tomorrow's (Saturday 2/14) games and pick-ems:

Haverford @ F&M:   F&M.   (Diplomats prevail in Mayser on Senior Day in their drive to garner the top seed in the Conference Tournament).

Dickison @ Ursinus:   Ursinus.   (A difficult game in which to select a winner. Ursinus needs the win just to have any chance at the last seed in the Conference Tournament. Home Court Advantage).

Muhlenberg @ Johns Hopkins:   Johns Hopkins.   (Another tough game to call. Even with a few road wins this year, the Mules are still suspect on the road! Blue Jays are usually tough at Goldfarb, especially late in the season. A loss could be the last gasp for the Jays. So, edge to the home team over the superior post play of the Mules by splitting a hair).

Gettysburg @ Swarthmore:   Gettysburg.  (Bullets over Garnet. Nothing more really to say)!

McDaniel @ Washington:   McDaniel.   (Terror simply quicker, stronger, and better than the Shoremen. Could be a close game due to Maryland rivalry and home court edge for the Shoremen).

I will indeed be at Mayser in Lancaster on Saturday afternoon. At this point, I should also be able to make the road games in Gettysburg and Carlisle.

Good luck to all prognostocators, teams, and Centennial Conference fans. Enjoy the games. Remember to travel safely as the cold weather returns. Happy Valentine's Day! Regards to all,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 13, 2009, 11:07:11 PM
2/14 picks:

F&M
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
McDaniel

The Fords will give the Dips all they can handle -- F&M needs to avoid a letdown with a quick start.  I'd normally say Ursinus would win comfortably at home over Dickinson, but who knows?  Muhlenberg in a squeaker over JHU on the road, and McDaniel breaks through in Chestertown.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 13, 2009, 11:36:26 PM
2/14 picks

F&M
Ursinus
JHU
G-burg
McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2009, 06:36:08 PM
What happened to all the pickers?(Only 7 predicted)
Upsets abound.
F&M played a solid game giving up only 42 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 15, 2009, 12:39:03 AM
This one tough & unpredictable league this year. Can't understand Gettysburg, unfortunately now they are in dire trouble which may make them tough to get by on Wednesday. Mules are rounding into form & Bears may be running on empty by now. Cain curse causes Terror to stumble, but the margin surprises me more than the game result.

Dips actually seem to be getting better in the later stages of the campaign. That F&M could win the way they did with McNally & Baker not having good offensive games is strange. Plus Milligan kept attempting to create highlight reel action by driving into swarms of defenders instead of slowing things down to seal the victory in a boring manner. In any case others stepped up (Brooks & Tolliver).  On a negative note for next year Scovill was honored as a senior even though the programs list him as a junior. I can only assume that he is graduating & not using his last year of eligibility. Dips seem to have the depth to absorb this loss & still be outstanding next year if everyone else returns.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 15, 2009, 07:59:43 AM
Fascinating finish to conference play. F&M has separated itself from the field, early favorites Ursinus and Gettysburg have fallen flat. Ursinus has no size and lost a terrific player in Hilton so their demise is understandable but G-burg has just fallen apart with returning starters from a NCAA team. They are really hard to figure. Mules an early season disappointment have turned it around and may finish 3rd. Haverford and Washington have overachieved and may finish 4-5 if G-burg doesn't find one more W. McDaniel's loss to Washington wasn't surprising but as DB Cooper pointed out the margin was, can they really be a championship contender. Dickinson other than Gettysburg may be the biggest disappointment this season but to their credit they are playing hard abd beat Ursinus yesterday. Congratulations to Swat on a huge upset of Gettysburg. I didn't think they would win a conference game this year and they beat a team that was in 3rd place. The final games should be exciting but I think F&M is playing too well for the rest of the CC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 15, 2009, 08:28:26 AM
Results for 2/14

I do not think that any of us will ever get rich as sports betting advisors after this.

Some of us were 2 - 3  others were 1 - 4.. We as a group never did this bad. It just goes to show that you can pick Swarthmore.

Over all

Old ends          58  -  22  ( .725)
Reserved Seat  55  -  25 ( .688)
Diplomaniac1    55  -  25 ( .688)
D.B.Cooper       51  -  29 ( .638)
Brce4               49  -  31 ( .613)
Gabriel             47  -  33 ( .588)
r.w.mcnickels    46  -  34 ( .575)
UniqueNewYork 53  -  22
Terror30           10  -  10
oldbballer          17  -  13
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 15, 2009, 08:38:52 AM
Not much in the papers about yesterdays action, but here is what I could find,

McDaniel: http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/15/sports/gsports21509.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/15/sports/gsports21509.txt)

F & M: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233888 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233888)

Muhlenberg: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/winter09/214.html (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/winter09/214.html)

Swarthmore: http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/athletics/2009/02/14/allen-a-days-work-garnet-shock-bullets/ (http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/athletics/2009/02/14/allen-a-days-work-garnet-shock-bullets/)

Dickinson: http://www.dickinson.edu/sports/article.cfm?articleIndex=1409 (http://www.dickinson.edu/sports/article.cfm?articleIndex=1409)

enjoy

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 15, 2009, 08:43:05 AM
Pick-em for 2/18

F & M           @   Gettysburg
McDaniel      @  John Hopkins
Dickinson     @  Muhlenberg
Ursinus        @  Haverford
Washington @  Swarthmore

Good Luck


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 15, 2009, 09:20:49 AM
The article link to the Lancaster paper provided by Old Ends gives an explanation of why F&M honored Scovill yesterday. Thanks to Old Ends for the time-saving links.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2009, 01:16:25 PM
QuoteDips actually seem to be getting better in the later stages of the campaign. That F&M could win the way they did with McNally & Baker not having good offensive games is strange. Plus Milligan kept attempting to create highlight reel action by driving into swarms of defenders instead of slowing things down to seal the victory in a boring manner. In any case others stepped up (Brooks & Tolliver).  Dips seem to have the depth to absorb this loss & still be outstanding next year if everyone else returns.

I agree with D.B. comments.  McNally and Baker had adequate games keeping the ball alive under the basket.  Tolliver and Brooks hit some nice 3's.  Milligan continues to push the action and tends to do too much when it's not necessary.  Hopefully, some of his tendencies to drive out of control will be reined in by next year.  Defensely, Brooks and Milligan make a good combination.  Brooks has to be one of the most athletic players in the year.  He made some tremendous steals yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 15, 2009, 01:48:09 PM
2/18/2009 Picks

After a dismal week, I will give it another try

F&M--Does Getty have any pride left, the have the players not the heart
McDaniel--Could be close
Muhlenberg--The only home team to win
Ursinus--They have to win soon
Washinton---Swat shot their bullet

Going with the visiting teams except for the Mules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2009, 03:29:19 PM
Pick-em for 2/18

F & M (the pieces seem to be coming together-time to win at Gettysburg)
McDaniel(must win for any chance to host leagues)
Muhlenberg(too strong inside and at home)
Haverford(who knows)
Washington(too much to ask for 2 in a row)

Hopefully, my blue-glowing crystal ball will do much better this week
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 15, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
Tough 2/18 picks

G-Burg (Desperation as motivation)
JHU (If in doubt guess home team)
Muhlenberg (At home & playing better)
Haverford (Tenacious defense at home)
Washington (Needs contest too much to not come ready to play)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 15, 2009, 08:28:29 PM
Picks for 2/18
F&M (What confidence G-burg had must be gone after Swat defeat)
Hopkins(just a hunch)
Mules(red devils are out of running and Mules are at home)
Ursinus(Fords need win but Ursinus wins the battle between teams relying on guard play)
Wash(Swat facing a team motivated by chance to make playoffs)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2009, 05:58:54 PM
Interesting post

Quote

For some time now, Wash U graduate Patrick Abegg has been collecting data on Division III basketball, running his own computer rating and the like. In recent years his projections of the NCAA's regional rankings have been impressively accurate. So, rather than duplicate his efforts, we've decided to recognize him as the Joe Lunardi of Division III.

From his rankings, we're projecting out who the at-large men's basketball candidates are, which conference leaders are currently upset proof (if they take one loss) and who's on the bubble.

As a refresher, 60 teams make the NCAA Tournament in Division III men's basketball, with 39 automatic bids, three Pool B bids for teams not in those conferences and 18 at-large bids (Pool C).

For the purposes of this projection, one team in each conference has to be the presumed automatic bid.

Who's in?
These are teams that have clinched automatic bids
Washington University-St. Louis, UAA champion

Who's safe?
These are teams that would get in even with a loss in the conference finals, no matter what. There can only really be nine locks if there are 18 at-large bids.
St. Thomas
Ithaca
Puget Sound
Franklin and Marshall
UW-Whitewater
Middlebury
Worcester Polytech
Wheaton (Ill.)
Richard Stockton

Who's next?
For each team above which wins its conference tournament and automatic bid, a team from this list joins the ranks of the safe.
Capital
Buena Vista
Texas-Dallas
Calvin
Farmingdale State
Rhode Island College
St. Lawrence
Bridgewater State
Trinity (Texas)

Pool B ranking
Elms
Scranton
Susquehanna

No other Pool B team appears in Abegg's regional rankings, encompassing 82 teams. The next team would likely be Maryville (Tenn.).

Safe Pool C teams
These teams are relatively safe even with the one expected loss.
1. UW-Stevens Point
2. Hamilton
3. Mass-Dartmouth
4. UW-Platteville
5. John Carroll
6. Randolph-Macon
7. Centre
8. North Central
9. Salem State
10. Elmhurst

Pool C bubble teams
These teams need a lot of things to go right ahead of them.
11. Amherst
12. McDaniel
13. Carnegie Mellon (Note, no conference tournament.)
14. St. Joseph's (L.I.)
15. William Paterson
16. Ohio Wesleyan
17. Mississippi College
18. Whitworth

A-begging to get in
Better win out.
19. Montclair State
20. Colby
21. Wesley
22. McMurry
23. Augustana
24. MIT
25. DePauw
26. Ohio Northern
27. Bowdoin
28. Brandeis (Note, no conference tournament.)

I've gotten questions about Cornell and Mary Hardin-Baylor this week. They stand at No. 30 and 36 on Abegg's Pool C list.

All other conference leaders not listed need to win out, as currently projected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 17, 2009, 08:14:26 AM
Picks for 2/18/09

F & M
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2009, 10:33:49 AM
Reserved seat: Let's link people to that post so they can comment:

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/16/the-abegg-projections/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 17, 2009, 05:03:21 PM
Congrats to Ryan foster, Muhlenberg, Conference player of the week

See the rest here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_216.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/MBK_216.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 17, 2009, 05:10:40 PM
Stats are in for games thru 2/16

Click here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/men/2009stats/confonly.htm)


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 17, 2009, 05:12:27 PM
picks for 2/18/09

F & M
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Haverford
Washington

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 17, 2009, 06:04:56 PM
Picks for Saturday 2/21/2009

Getting our in front a bit but here they are:

Dickinson-- (Seniors want to finish well, F&M doesn't need it)
Gettysburg--(Seniors at home after a disappointing season)
Ursinus --(Last game for Noonan, Brundage & Burnette)
Washington-- (Shoremen are hungry and at home)
Haverford-- (A home game and Swat won't do it twice this year)

I have all the home teams winning.  This will be the first time in nine years that the Bears have not been in the playoffs.  Time to reload.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 17, 2009, 09:37:10 PM
2/18 picks:

Gettysburg
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Haverford
Washington

Which Gettysburg team will show up?  I think it's a difficult matchup for F&M because the Bullets are much better than what they've shown lately.  I have a feeling Gettysburg will come out firing, build up a large lead, and fend off a late rally by the Dips.  CC hosting rights could still be up in the air on Saturday.

Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2009, 05:58:54 PM
Interesting post

Quote

Who's safe?
These are teams that would get in even with a loss in the conference finals, no matter what. There can only really be nine locks if there are 18 at-large bids.
St. Thomas
Ithaca
Puget Sound
Franklin and Marshall
UW-Whitewater
Middlebury
Worcester Polytech
Wheaton (Ill.)
Richard Stockton

I wonder if coaches enjoy reading posts titled "Who's safe?"  Say the Dips lose at Gettysburg and Dickinson, then fall in the CC semifinals.  Granted this is the worst case scenario for an F&M fan, but in that case, are they safe?  Taking care of business in the conference is the most important thing!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on February 18, 2009, 11:30:27 AM
Pick-em for 2/18

F & M         
McDaniel     
Muhlenberg
Ursinus       
Swarthmore

sorry for missing the picks last week, couldn't get to a computer in time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2009, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 17, 2009, 09:37:10 PM
2/18 picks:

Gettysburg
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Haverford
Washington

Which Gettysburg team will show up?  I think it's a difficult matchup for F&M because the Bullets are much better than what they've shown lately.  I have a feeling Gettysburg will come out firing, build up a large lead, and fend off a late rally by the Dips.  CC hosting rights could still be up in the air on Saturday.

Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2009, 05:58:54 PM
Interesting post

Quote

Who's safe?
These are teams that would get in even with a loss in the conference finals, no matter what. There can only really be nine locks if there are 18 at-large bids.
St. Thomas
Ithaca
Puget Sound
Franklin and Marshall
UW-Whitewater
Middlebury
Worcester Polytech
Wheaton (Ill.)
Richard Stockton

I wonder if coaches enjoy reading posts titled "Who's safe?"  Say the Dips lose at Gettysburg and Dickinson, then fall in the CC semifinals.  Granted this is the worst case scenario for an F&M fan, but in that case, are they safe?  Taking care of business in the conference is the most important thing!


That's why we specify "These are teams that would get in even with a loss in the conference finals," because "safe" only covers one loss.

I would hope that coaches who read the "Who's safe" list also read the sentence right underneath it. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 18, 2009, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2009, 12:17:51 PM
That's why we specify "These are teams that would get in even with a loss in the conference finals," because "safe" only covers one loss.

I would hope that coaches who read the "Who's safe" list also read the sentence right underneath it. :)

Let's hope so!  Actually -- I should have specified this -- the quote that was in my head came from the Pool C board:

Quote from: pabegg on February 16, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
In addition, we've reached the point where some teams have done enough that they'd be in even if they lose out. I think that list includes Ithaca, Franklin and Marshall, Richard Stockton, St. Thomas, and Puget Sound.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 18, 2009, 01:22:57 PM


Folks -

The following are my choices for tonight's (2/18) pick-ems:

F & M @ Gettysburg:   F & M. (Should be a close game. Bullets will put up a fight at Bream. However, the Dips are looking to get one more monkey off of their backs and clinch conference tourney hosting rights).

McDaniel @ Johns Hopkins:   McDaniel. (Could be another close game. Edge to Terror due to being more athletic. Terror needs the win more than Jays to avoid dropping in seedings).

Dickinson @ Muhlenberg:   Muhlenberg. (Mules win at home in dark "Mule Barn", while trying to catch Terror for second spot. Devils out of hunt).

Ursinus @ Haverford:   Ursinus.  (Have been impressed with Fords' play of late. However, game in Mayser highlighted Fords' weakness at guard - a particular strength of Ursinus. Edge to the Bears).

Washington @ Swarthmore:   Washington. (Shoremen need wins to make conference tourney).

I hope to make trip to Gettysburg tonight to see the Diplomats play if the weather doen't get any worse between now and then. We have had snow and sleet thus far today in Southwest Central PA. Forecast calls for change to rain (hopefully) as the day moves along.

Good luck to all fans, teams, and fellow prognosticators! Enjoy the games and travel safely if going to tonight's games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 18, 2009, 02:53:16 PM
Haverford was without guard Greg Rosnick last Saturday (he got hurt in the Washington game) which certainly hurt the Fords (not taking anything away from the tremendous Franklin and Marshall team). He is a key player and I am not sure what his status for the Ursinus game is. Obviously, this is an important factor in this huge game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 19, 2009, 12:31:22 AM
Dips lose at Gettysburg as RW & I were expecting. From the video cast it looked like Dips played sloppy & inadequate defense & gave up too many easy ones. What can I say about the horrific foul shooting as compared with the Bullets sterling performance at the charity stripe, this could be an Achilles heel for F&M. Hard to say why many of the CC games go the way they do.

Looks like F&M has to beat Dickinson to host CC tourney if McDaniel beats the Bullets in the season finale. The G-burg sweep of the Dips dooms any tiebreak scenario.

How about SWAT (break them up). They have the chance to keep arch rival Haverford out of the playoffs & it wouldn't shock me if they took it to the Fords on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 19, 2009, 12:53:23 AM
On another note.

I think if the Dips could somehow get past Dickinson that they would likely have a very strong chance at an at-large NCAA bid no matter when they might lose in the CC tournament. It would be probable that they would maintain the number one Regional seeding based on what all the ranked Mid-Atlantic teams are doing. Only St. Mary's would be close if they first beat Wesley & then lost to them in the CAC championship game.

Dickinson is very dangerous too. It's unanticipated that a squad that is universally thought of as having a poor year was actually unbeaten in out of conference play. They beat Eastern by 29 & also took out Hendrix in a Florida holiday tournament. That is something typically brought up about teams at the bottom of leagues like the CCIW or WIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 19, 2009, 08:46:21 AM
It looks like the Mules won last night without Liddic in the line up. None of the school or newspaper accounts I saw mention his absence. If the Mules are to make a possible impression in the post season against the better CC teams I believe they would need him. Let's hope it's a flu or a minor injury as we all would enjoy seeing his spectacular athletic plays, plus it would be nice to have all the teams at or near full strength for the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 19, 2009, 01:35:40 PM
2/21 picks:

Dickinson
McDaniel
Ursinus
Washington
Haverford

Another tough set of games to pick.  I think the planets will align for McDaniel to host the CC tournament.  Dickinson will beat F&M in the regular season finale, just like last year (the Dips can't win games on autopilot, as they attempted last night at Gettysburg).  The Green Terror will play stingy defense and win a low-scoring affair at Gettysburg to claim the regular season title and bring the tourney to Westminster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2009, 04:14:22 PM
F&M's game last night was the polar opposite of the game on Saturday.
Shooting    F&M            26-61
                 Gettysburg  24-43
3-pointers  F&M               0-9
                 Gettysburg     3-14
Foul line    F&M                8-14
                Gettysburg    21-23
Assists      F&M                 8
                Gettysburg     17     easy lay-ups

As you can see from the shooting, F&M couldn't buy a shot and Gettysburg had easy lay-ups.
F&M will have to step it up on Saturday, if they want home court advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 19, 2009, 04:46:08 PM
Results from 2/18

This week was a little better with UniqueNewYork getting a 4 -1
Gabriel, Terror30, r.w.mcnickels, and Diplomaniac1 going 3 - 2
while the rest of us went 2 - 3. Unique was the only one who picked Swarthmore.

Overall

UniqueNewYork      57  -  23  (.713)
Old Ends               60  -  25  (.706)
Diplomaniac1         58  -  27  (.682)
ReservedSeat        57  -  28  (.671)
D.B.Cooper            53  -  32  (.624)
Brce4                   51  -  34  (.600)
Gabriel                  50  -  35  (.588)
r.w.mcnickels         49  -  36  (.576)
Terror30                13  -  12  (.520)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 19, 2009, 05:03:48 PM
Picks for 2/21/09  ( final regular season picks)

F & M            at    Dickinson
McDaniel        at   Gettysburg
Muhlenberg    at  Ursinus
John Hopkins  at  Washington
Swarthmore    at  Haverford

Will run picks for playoffs and NCAA playoff.

By tip off please
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 19, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
Here is what they were saying about last night:

Gettysburg:  http://www.gettysburgsports.com/News/mbball/2009/2/18/090218_FM.asp?path=mbball

Muhlenberg: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/winter09/218.html

McDaniel: http://www.mcdaniel.edu/athletics/menbasketball/eventrev.cfm?id=277530864201

Ursinus: http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=353&srcid=1038

Swarthmore: http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/athletics/2009/02/18/raul-rallies-garnet-on-senior-day/
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enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 19, 2009, 05:31:48 PM
Here is the link for the Playoffs.

http://www.centennial.org/championships/basketball/men/index.html (http://www.centennial.org/championships/basketball/men/index.html)

Ursinus may get a break and get into the playoff's. For that to happen

1. Washington and Haverford have to lose( it could happen)
2. Ursinus must win(that alone could be tough)

If Ursinis wins and Hopkins wins, there will be 4 teams at 8-10, of course that is if Haverford also does not win.. Therefore it will be up to the Conference powers of stats and knowledge to figure out the tie breaker.

Steve, I hope it does not come down to that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 19, 2009, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: old ends on February 19, 2009, 05:31:48 PM
Here is the link for the Playoffs.

http://www.centennial.org/championships/basketball/men/index.html (http://www.centennial.org/championships/basketball/men/index.html)

Ursinus may get a break and get into the playoff's. For that to happen

1. Washington and Haverford have to lose( it could happen)
2. Ursinus must win(that alone could be tough)

If Ursinis wins and Hopkins wins, there will be 4 teams at 8-10, of course that is if Haverford also does not win.. Therefore it will be up to the Conference powers of stats and knowledge to figure out the tie breaker.

Steve, I hope it does not come down to that.

In this case, the tie-breaker is not ver complicated.  If those four teams end up tied at 8-10, the tie-breaker is win-loss among tied teams.  Ursinus would be 4-2, Haverford 3-3, Hopkins 3-3, and Washington 2-4.  As such, Ursinus would win the tie-breaker.

This is the same thing that puts Haverford in if Haverford, Washington, and Ursinus all lose.  That creates a three-way tie with Haverford, Washington, and Johns Hopkins.  In games among those teams, Haverford would be 3-1, Hopkins 2-2, and Washington 1-3.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 19, 2009, 08:02:22 PM
Thanks Sunny... you have not posted here since last year before the playoffs.

and therefore we will know the balance of the seeding by Sat Night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 19, 2009, 10:19:52 PM
2/21 picks

Dickinson (this would likely result in Dips/Mules round 3 in Westminster)
McDaniel
Ursinus
Washington
SWAT

The way things are going almost nothing would surprise me in the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 20, 2009, 07:31:49 AM
2/21 picks
F&M(It seems the F&M fans are picking Dickinson, do they know something or are they just nervous)
Gettysburg(if the early season team shows up)
Mules(just too big for Ursinus' small front line)
Wash(a different team in Chestertown)
Haverford(win rivalry game to clinch 5th spot)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: terror 30 on February 20, 2009, 08:42:54 AM
Picks for 2/21

Dickinson
McDaniel
Ursinus
Washington
Haverford

Green Terror Regular Season Champs!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 20, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
You can get all the details on the playoff chase on our Centennial Conference blog (http://centennialconference.blogspot.com/2009/02/its-time.html).  F&M, McDaniel are in ... but who is the top seed?  Will Muhlenberg or Gettysburg get the first-round bye?  Who will get the final spot - Haverford, Ursinus or Washington?  And to get you ready for the final day of the regular season ... how can you resist Gene Hackman and Hoosiers?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2009, 03:12:48 PM
D3hoopsNet will broadcast the Haverford/Swarthmore game on Saturday at 3 p.m. ET, as Haverford is the only team in the chase for the final playoff spot with its destiny in its own hands.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

Dave McHugh on the call.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 20, 2009, 05:10:27 PM
F & M(control their own destiny)
McDaniel (could be an upset in Gettysburg)
Muhlenberg(want the bye)
Washington(Washington strong at home)
Haverford(I don't expect three in a row)

Go Dips :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 20, 2009, 06:39:57 PM
Picks for 2/21

F & M
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Washington
Swarthmore ( did not we get a note that a key player was hurt for Haverford)

Haverford was without guard Greg Rosnick last Saturday (he got hurt in the Washington game) which certainly hurt the Fords (not taking anything away from the tremendous Franklin and Marshall team). He is a key player and I am not sure what his status for the Ursinus game is. Obviously, this is an important factor in this huge game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UniqueNewYork on February 20, 2009, 11:12:47 PM
My picks for 2/21

F & M-
McDaniel       
Ursinus
Washington
Haverford

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 21, 2009, 01:57:45 PM


Folks -

I am in a hurry to get on my way to Carlisle to see the Diplomats play the Devils at Kline Center. So, here are my very quick picks sans explanations:

F&M @ Dickison:   F&M

McDaniel @ Gettysburg:   McDaniel

Muhlenberg @ Ursinus:   Muhlenberg

Johns Hopkins @ Washington:   Washington

Haverford @ Swarthmore:   Haverford

Good luck to all. Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 21, 2009, 05:36:31 PM
Gettysburg  53   McDaniel 48
Ursinus        97   Muhlenberg  90
Haverford    44   Swarthmore  36

with 9 min to go  Dickinson 60    F & M 49
with 10 min to go Washington 41  John Hopkins 38

Haverford has clinched the final spot



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 21, 2009, 05:43:51 PM
This made me chuckel since I already had the outcome of the game.
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/21/sports/csports22109.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/21/sports/csports22109.txt)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 21, 2009, 06:17:16 PM
Final pickem for 2/21/09

Gabriel            5  -  0
r.w.mcnickels  4  -  1
Terror30          4  -  1
Great job for your picks, Gabriel your crystal ball finally work.

The rest of us we eights 3 - 2  or 2 - 3

Overall

UniqueNewYork             60  -  25  (.706) Congrats
Old Ends                        62  -  28  (.689)
Diplomaniac1                  60  -  30  (.667)
Reserved Seat                59  -  31  (.656)
D.B.Cooper                     56  -  34  (.622)
Gabriel                           55  -  35  (.611)
Brce4                            54  -  36  (.600)
r.w.mcnickels                 53  -  37  (.589)
Terror30                        17  -  13  (.567)

Thanks to all again it was fun.
Will post playoff picks later tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 21, 2009, 06:21:44 PM
It looks like F & M did not hit a single 3 pt shot. Maybe it was good to get a bad game(or two) out of the way before playoff's.

Some thoughts for those who were there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 21, 2009, 06:28:47 PM
Well here is the pick-em for the 1st round and the Semi

2/25/09 Weds.
Haverford   at  Muhlenberg

Then next Saturday 2/28
Haverford/Muhlenberg winner   at   F & M
Gettysburg      at McDaniel  ( at F & M)

Pick em all or pick the first game by tip off Weds then follow up By tip off on Sat.

Gives you time to reflect, look at stats, and brag how your team will win.. AH the Banter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 21, 2009, 06:31:15 PM
F&M somehow gains homecourt for the CC tournament, capping off two truly forgettable games with a 74-67 loss in Carlisle.  McNally scored 35 (according to Live Stats), demonstrating once again that F&M usually loses when relying on a single player to carry the load.  F&M's two glaring weaknesses killed them this week, with a horrific showing from the free throw line (17-for-31 today, 8-for-14 at Gettysburg) and not a single 3-pointer in either game! 

If I only saw these two games, I'd wonder how this team went 21-4.  Not the best time of year to head into a slump.

The Dips have gotten a reality check that I thought would hit them a month ago.  Hard to say how this young team will respond in the playoffs, but I think we could be looking at a neutral site title game in Lancaster between Muhlenberg and the winner of McDaniel/Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
The back door-better than no door.

No 3-pointers
0-16 the last three games

Foul shooting 17-31(despite McNally 14-19)

Despite having 5 players with 4 fouls each, Dickinson was able to keep everyone in the game.
Two of F&M small men fouled out.

F&M had looked sluggish the last 2 games, and hopefully, they can shake of whatever has them out of sync.

Leszczynski had a great final game-17 points and 20 rebounds.
Grell kept the offense flowing with 19 points and good ball movement.

McNally tried to carry the team with 35 points
Baker had 13 rebound.

A week to regroup should give F&M time to get well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 22, 2009, 08:41:09 AM
Hi Centennial Conference experts. I am new to this board but am looking for your opinions on anything you can tell me about the Swarthmore program. I know they are losing only one senior next year. Anything you can tell me as I would love to learn about them - tendencies, coaching style, history, ect.  I have read your posts and you all seem like incredible hoop junkies who really understand the game. I am a new fan to the program and would like to learn anything that you feel is important.  Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 22, 2009, 08:57:28 AM
Articles on last nights games.

McDaniel: http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/22/sports/csports22209.txt (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/02/22/sports/csports22209.txt)

Gettysburg: http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11757304 (http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_11757304)

Dickinson(via a Lancaster link). http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/234175 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/234175)

Haverford: http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/story.php?id=16751&u=3 (http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/story.php?id=16751&u=3)

Ursinus: http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=353&srcid=1038 (http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=353&srcid=1038)

Washington: http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09hopkins2.html (http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/mbasketball/releases/09hopkins2.html)

enjoy






Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 22, 2009, 09:03:18 AM
I posted an article on the Football blog about the stress the economy is having on College Athletics. Since the Centennial AD's are in this article I thought it might be interesting for parents to read it.

Click here: http://www.pennlive.com/sports/patriotnews/college/index.ssf?/base/sports/1235261406164720.xml&coll=1 (http://www.pennlive.com/sports/patriotnews/college/index.ssf?/base/sports/1235261406164720.xml&coll=1)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 22, 2009, 09:08:01 AM
Swat dad..

welcome to the board. One thing you can do is click on the link below which will take you to the Centennial Media Guide which will give you an idea on the Conferences History which started in 1994.

Click here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/guide/men/ (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/guide/men/)

There are different things for you to browse through. Hopefully some of the other posters can answer some of the other questions for you.
enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 22, 2009, 02:00:23 PM
Swat Dad
     Swarthmore struggles primarily because sports are just an extracurricular activity and not emphasized by the administration. Coach Wimberly's teams are usually disciplined, play hard and run good stuff but are almost always undermanned.  I was surprised that they won 2 league games this year beating 2 pretty good teams in Gettysburg and Washington. They will need to bring some kids in next year or I suspect it will be another long season for the Garnet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 22, 2009, 02:35:31 PM
Thank you both. Good stuff! I am hoping for a great future of Swarthmore basketball. Hopefully they have a good incoming class.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 22, 2009, 03:30:54 PM
I must admit that I do know of one incoming freshman to the Swarthmore team as my son is going there next year and I am not only a fan of hoop, but also a coach.  I was looking for some input as I don't know much about the conference at all and want to learn all I can. Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 22, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
Dear Swatdad:
I also have enjoyed the board this season as well. The regulars know their bball and have a sense of proportion and good humor.

In a conference of academically excellent schools, Swat and Haverford are among the smallest and probably the toughest to get into. The N.Y. Times had an article several years ago on athletic recruiting at Haverford and I suspect it is largely true for Swat as well. The two colleges have to meet the needs of many extracurriculars (Haverford has 21 athletic teams including varsity cricket not to mention club sports, and  music and drama activities) and do it for a class size around 330-400 (HC and Swat). Thus, there probably won't be huge numbers of bball players joining your son. The hope is that there are a few quality ones so that the team can be competitive. Swat was 3-21, but hung in most of the games. Though they are our rivals, I am grateful that they beat Washington College and allowed us to make the tourney. Good luck and best wishes to your son.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 22, 2009, 05:20:01 PM
Actually, the times had a whole series on recruiting (end of 2005 into 2006)-not just one article as I incorrectly wrote
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 23, 2009, 11:52:24 AM
The times are set for this week's Centennial Conference men's basketball tournament.
www.centennial.org/championships/basketball/men/

Wednesday, February 25 - First Round
Haverford at Muhlenberg, 7:30

Saturday, February 28 - Semifinals at Franklin & Marshall
McDaniel vs. Gettysburg, 1:00
Franklin & Marshall vs. Haverford/Muhlenberg, not before 3:00

Sunday, March 1 - Final at Franklin & Marshall
semifinal winners, 3:00

Look forward to seeing you there.  If you get the chance, stop by and say hello.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 23, 2009, 01:17:30 PM
Looks like it should be a great weekend -- the tournament looks wide open.  Muhlenberg has been playing really well and should be able to beat Haverford at home, but the Fords have played some excellent defense of late.  Gettysburg is back in good form after diving into the twilight zone for a stretch of games.  If McDaniel gets some offensive production to go along with its tough defense, it will be a close semifinal. 

F&M was flying along without expectations most of the year, surprising a lot of people (including me).  Then in a couple of pressure road games, the Dips couldn't get it done.  They have the horses to win, but confidence might be an issue given the two straight losses and zero playoff experience on the roster.

I hope fans of all teams pack the gym for the playoff games.  It's a great time of year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2009, 03:01:43 PM
Not hard to guess my choices

2/25/09 Weds.
Muhlenberg(inside game should be more than enough to win at home)

Then next Saturday 2/28
F & M(the youngsters come out of their funk)
Gettysburg (tough pick-neutral court-should live up to their rep)

If F&M's in Sunday's game as I predicted, I obviously pick F&M.

As r.w. said, it should be a great weekend.  I may not be able to be in my reserved seat if they enforce the color-coded seating for the teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2009, 05:08:10 PM
Picks for the week:

2/25/2009
(Muhlenberg over Haverford)---Mules played very well against Ursinus but ran into a buzz saw on senior day against the Bears.  Haverford looked terrible----they are clearly not one of the five best teams in the conference.

2/28/2009
(Gettysburg over McDaniel)----Getty playing well of late will win against the
offensively challenged Green Terror
(F&M over Muhlenberg)-----another good game but the Dips have a little too fire power and they are at home.

2/29/2009
Gettysburg over F&M---the best team finally surfaces
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
Too bad D3 Hoops chose to broadcast the Haverford/Swarthmore game on Saturday.  Probably the most entertaining game was the Ursinus/Muhlenberg game which was settled in overtime 97-90.  Ursinus had a 10 point lead with just over 4 minutes to play and coughed it up.  However, the Bears would not be denied in overtime.  Great game!!!!  Muhlenberg is a load with their front line--especially Barnes and Liddic.  Don't know why the coach did not have them on the floor together more.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 23, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
1st round
Muhlenberg over Haverford. Haverford has a way of keeping it close with their hard nosed style of play but Mules are just too big. On to Lancaster for the Mules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 23, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
Too bad D3 Hoops chose to broadcast the Haverford/Swarthmore game on Saturday.  Probably the most entertaining game was the Ursinus/Muhlenberg game which was settled in overtime 97-90.  Ursinus had a 10 point lead with just over 4 minutes to play and coughed it up.  However, the Bears would not be denied in overtime.  Great game!!!!  Muhlenberg is a load with their front line--especially Barnes and Liddic.  Don't know why the coach did not have them on the floor together more.

Entertaining, yes, but our goal was to take a game we could guarantee had playoff implications, so that's why we chose how we did.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 24, 2009, 08:44:02 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 23, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
Too bad D3 Hoops chose to broadcast the Haverford/Swarthmore game on Saturday.  Probably the most entertaining game was the Ursinus/Muhlenberg game which was settled in overtime 97-90.  Ursinus had a 10 point lead with just over 4 minutes to play and coughed it up.  However, the Bears would not be denied in overtime.  Great game!!!!  Muhlenberg is a load with their front line--especially Barnes and Liddic.  Don't know why the coach did not have them on the floor together more.

Entertaining, yes, but our goal was to take a game we could guarantee had playoff implications, so that's why we chose how we did.

Pat,

I understand, I was just jangling your chain.  18 to 11 at the half, it must have been tough to stay awake.  The Mules/Bears game did have playoff implications as the Mules lost the #3 seed and now are in the "playin" game.

Gabriel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 24, 2009, 08:48:54 AM
Old Ends,

Please change my picks (posted yesterday) to show the championship game on Sunday March 1st instead of February 29.  Senior moment!  Thanks.


Gabriel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 24, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
Congratulations to John Noonan, Ursinus shooting wizard, for his Jostens nomination.  Best of luck in representing our conference in this prestigious "All-Around" competition.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 24, 2009, 07:04:59 PM
play-off picks

Weds
Muhlenberg

Sat
Gettysburg
F&M

Sun
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 24, 2009, 07:12:18 PM
Congrats to Andrew Powers, Gettysburg, Centennial Conference player of the Year.

The All Conference teams click below
http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/All_CC_MBK.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2009/All_CC_MBK.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 24, 2009, 11:02:59 PM
Wednesday's first round pick:

Muhlenberg


Congrats to Powers on a well deserved POY, and Noonan on the Jostens nomination.  I'm sure UC missing the playoffs hurt Noonan's chances at POY.  A possible Jostens will have to suffice!

Kudos to Georgio Milligan on becoming the first freshman in Centennial Conference history to be voted to the first team -- yet another thing I didn't see coming in this season of surprises.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 24, 2009, 11:05:38 PM
CC playoff picks

Play-in: Muhlenberg (likely to be a unanimous pick)

Sat: McDaniel (obviously a close call)
        F&M (slight edge, but I expect a game more like the one in Allentown)

Sun: McDaniel (hope committee likes Dips & St. Mary's wins the CAC) Dips could benefit greatly from NCAA run to prepare for 2-years of great basketball as team will try to emulate dynastic squads of 80's & 90's
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 25, 2009, 12:11:46 PM


Folks -

Here is my selection for tonight's (2/25) first round game pick-em:

Haverford @ Muhlenberg:   Muhlenberg. (I expect the Mules to be ready for the Fords, especially at home in the "Mule Barn". They also should have too much inside game for the Fords).

I will post my picks for the weekend games tomorrow after tonight's game just in case there is an unexpected upset by the Fords.

Good luck to the Mules, the Fords, and their fans! Enjoy the game. Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 25, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
I understand the selection of Andrew Powers over John Noonan as POY----I guess.  Ursinus' failure to make the playoffs was key and, I am sure, the selection committee did not want to give it to Ursinus every year.  Nevertheless, I'll bet the voting was close as the statistics support John Noonan.  The Jostens nomination is an indicator.

I do not understand why Remy Cousart was not selected for the Second Team.  Of the 13 individual statistical categories, his name appeared in 9. He was:

1st in assists and assist to turnover ratio
2nd in defensive rebounding (this is a point guard)
4th in total rebounding & 3pt shooting %
11th in field goal %
12th in steals
14th in scoring
9th in minutes per game

He is one of the most selfless players I have seen.  I think Remy deserved a better position on the all conference team.  Guess he will have to wait until next year to see if he is better than honorable mention.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 25, 2009, 10:57:45 PM
Mules win a grinder of a game 52-50 over Haverford. Mules did just enough to win and will have to play much better to beat F&M at Mayser.
Picks for Semis
F&M(Mules will keep it close but Mayser advantage will be too much)
Gettysburg(They seem to have found themselves just in time for the tourney)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 26, 2009, 04:05:11 PM
Well we all started off in good shape, 1-0 to all.

Now after Sat Semi's you will be able to change your final pick's, just in case your semi picks did  not turn out the way you hoped.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 27, 2009, 09:13:19 AM
The "Final Four." Just four teams remain on both the men's and women's side of the Centennial Conference basketball tournament. The men convene in the heart of Amish Country - Lancaster - for the weekend, while the women gather in Allentown. A Saturday victory puts you in the final with the opportunity to not only win the championship, but also qualify for the NCAA Division III tournament. It's a chance to make history for the McDaniel men and Franklin & Marshall women, who have never won a Centennial tourney game. It's a chance to make history for the Diplomat men, and the women from Hopkins and Muhlenberg. Each program has won a Conference-record four titles. A fifth puts one in rarefied air, as no Centennial team has "one (ring) for the thumb."

We hope you'll join us this weekend at Mayser Center or Memorial Hall. Tickets are $5 for adults, $3 for student (13-18) and free admission for students from participating teams (upon presentation of ID) and youth 12 and under. If you cannot make the trip, you can watch the game(s) for free on your computer. Sign up for "Twitter" and receive updates at the half and when the game goes final. It should be a great weekend!

http://centennialconference.blogspot.com/2009/02/final-four.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 27, 2009, 10:37:46 AM
Every year, I get grief from a friend of mine that I always say that this year's tournament was the best ever.  So let's get some discussion going here ... about the top playoff games in CC history.  Since I've seen almost every game ... I'll pick the nominees but will also accept "write-in" candidates.

1) 1994 Final: Mike Sievert tip-in in the final seconds gives F&M a 63-61 win over Hopkins.

2) 1995 Final: Muhlenberg shoots 62.7 percent from the field to upset undefeated and top-ranked Franklin & Marshall, 88-86.  Oh, the Dips shot 56.43 percent from the floor. (My personal favorite)

3) 2000 Final: Franklin & Marshall holds off Hopkins, 75-67, in overtime.  Diplomats overcome an 11-point deficit in final 12:47 and force OT on a Jerome Maiatico three with :21 left.

4) 2002 Final: Gettysburg's Curtis McNeil hits a late three and makes three FT in the final 2.7 as the Bullets become the CC's first back-to-back champs with a 50-47 win at F&M.

5) 2003 Final: Ursinus' Dennis Stanton hits an off-balance, fade-away three with :03 left to force overtime.  Bears go on to defeat F&M, 96-88.

6) 2004 Semifinals: Ursinus' Dennis Stanton scores a tournament-record 42 points, but Hopkins' Frank Mason scores 30 as the Blue Jays defeat the Bears, 107-101.

7) 2005 Final: Will Furey scores a layup off a feed from Mike McGarvey with 2.7 seconds left as Ursinus defeats Franklin & Marshall, 72-70.

8) 2007 Semifinals: Matt Palmer makes a three with :01 left to give Haverford a 70-69 overtime win against Ursinus.  The Fords' Chaz Thomas forced extra time with a three at the horn at the end of regulation.

9) 2008 Semifinals: A great performance, as Ursinus' Nick Shattuck makes 19-of-24 shots from the field for a tournament-record 46 points in UC's 93-79 win over Dickinson.

Please discuss ... and hope we see you this weekend in Lancaster.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 27, 2009, 03:19:28 PM
CC tournament picks:

Semifinals:
Gettysburg over McDaniel by 6
Muhlenberg upsets F&M in OT

Championship:
Gettysburg over Muhlenberg


Despite Gettysburg's unexpected slump, the Bullets have come back just in time to go dancing.  If McDaniel beats the Bullets, I think the Terror will win Sunday.  Muhlenberg could upset the Dips if Foster gets hot and takes the pressure off Barnes and Liddic.  F&M has looked really bad in the last two games -- being at home will help, but maybe not enough to avoid a third straight loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 27, 2009, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: commish on February 27, 2009, 10:37:46 AM
Every year, I get grief from a friend of mine that I always say that this year's tournament was the best ever.  So let's get some discussion going here ... about the top playoff games in CC history.  Since I've seen almost every game ... I'll pick the nominees but will also accept "write-in" candidates.

1) 1994 Final: Mike Sievert tip-in in the final seconds gives F&M a 63-61 win over Hopkins.

2) 1995 Final: Muhlenberg shoots 62.7 percent from the field to upset undefeated and top-ranked Franklin & Marshall, 88-86.  Oh, the Dips shot 56.43 percent from the floor. (My personal favorite)

3) 2000 Final: Franklin & Marshall holds off Hopkins, 75-67, in overtime.  Diplomats overcome an 11-point deficit in final 12:47 and force OT on a Jerome Maiatico three with :21 left.

4) 2002 Final: Gettysburg's Curtis McNeil hits a late three and makes three FT in the final 2.7 as the Bullets become the CC's first back-to-back champs with a 50-47 win at F&M.

5) 2003 Final: Ursinus' Dennis Stanton hits an off-balance, fade-away three with :03 left to force overtime.  Bears go on to defeat F&M, 96-88.

6) 2004 Semifinals: Ursinus' Dennis Stanton scores a tournament-record 42 points, but Hopkins' Frank Mason scores 30 as the Blue Jays defeat the Bears, 107-101.

7) 2005 Final: Will Furey scores a layup off a feed from Mike McGarvey with 2.7 seconds left as Ursinus defeats Franklin & Marshall, 72-70.

8) 2007 Semifinals: Matt Palmer makes a three with :01 left to give Haverford a 70-69 overtime win against Ursinus.  The Fords' Chaz Thomas forced extra time with a three at the horn at the end of regulation.

9) 2008 Semifinals: A great performance, as Ursinus' Nick Shattuck makes 19-of-24 shots from the field for a tournament-record 46 points in UC's 93-79 win over Dickinson.

Please discuss ... and hope we see you this weekend in Lancaster.

That's quite a list!  This conference has seen some amazing postseason basketball. 

The 2000 and 2003 finals were the best I've seen in person for their combination of heart-stopping moments and raucous atmosphere.  I think F&M needed a buzzer-beater by Maiatico to beat Washington in the 2000 semifinals just to get into the final with JHU, which (as noted above) went to overtime on another Maiatico shot.

The 2003 Ursinus team had so many weapons that it seemed like no F&M lead was safe in that game.  Stanton's shot was simply incredible.  My ears are still ringing from the loud atmosphere (on both sides) at Helfferich Hall that day.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2009, 05:53:05 PM


r. w. -

I remember that semi-final game. However, I thought it was a three-point heave by Alex Kraft from just over the center court line that lifted the Dips that night over the Shoremen led by Greg Adams! If my "growing older" memory serves me correct, there was almost a brawl after the game between Adams and some Diplomat fans. Coincidentally, Adams went to the same high school in Toms River, NJ as another player on that great Diplomat team - Mike Ritacco. Can anyone else help clarify the respective memories of r. w. and me?

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2009, 06:17:11 PM


Commish and r. w. -

Here are my nominees for the two greatest games that the Diplomats were ever involved in - one was a win and one was a loss. They are listed below in chronological order only because I can't decide which one was the best!

1990-1991 NCAA Regional Championship game at Mayser Center - F&M defeats Rochester to go to the final four with a steal of a Rochester inbounds pass by the Dips' freshman seventh man preserving the victory (it may have been in overtime).

1999-2000 NCAA National Sem-Final game in Salem. VA - F&M loses to Calvin on a buzzer-beater in a game that went back and forth several times. Either team could have won that day and the team with the ball last did!

Any thoughts?

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2009, 06:37:01 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

Without any great degree of confidence, here are my selections for the pick-ems for the Conference semi-final games on Saturday (2/28) -

McDaniel vs. Gettysburg:   Gettysburg.    (This is a very tough one to call - it should be real close. I will take the Bullets since they appear to be playing better and are on a roll at the end of the regular season. However, I wouldn't be that surprised if the Terror beat them since I think the team from Westmister is more athletic and more physical than the squad from Gettysburg).

Muhlenberg vs. Franklin And Marshall:   Franklin And Marshall.    (Despite the poor play of the Diplomats of late, I will follow my heart and take them over the Mules in another close game. I am giving them the slight advantage due to being at home in Mayser Center, which should be a great atmosphere on Saturday afternoon. If everyone on the team comes to play, I think they have a little bit better balance and more weapons than the Mules. However, they will have to make a few more outside shots and three pointers than the last two games. They also need to utlize Brooks more in the offense.  Just don't overlook the home fan edge at Mayser Center. All in all, no "Mule Barn" magic here)!

I will be making the trek from Mount Union to Mayser tomorrow rain or shine. I hope to see the early game also. Hope to see the rest of you there as well. Anyone up for a post-game summit at a local eatery? It sure seems hard to believe that three months have already passed and that the regular season is over!

Good luck to all teams and their fans. Travel safely to and from Lancaster. Enjoy the games! Regards to all,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2009, 07:34:09 PM
Pool C is filling up fast with league champions.  Looks like there have been numerous upsets around the nation already.
Guilford
Buena Vista
St. Mary's

This means that probably only the winner of the Centennial Conference is going to the dance.
The Dips better have their game faces on.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 27, 2009, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2009, 05:53:05 PM
r. w. -

I remember that semi-final game. However, I thought it was a three-point heave by Alex Kraft from just over the center court line that lifted the Dips that night over the Shoremen led by Greg Adams! If my "growing older" memory serves me correct, there was almost a brawl after the game between Adams and some Diplomat fans. Coincidentally, Adams went to the same high school in Toms River, NJ as another player on that great Diplomat team - Mike Ritacco. Can anyone else help clarify the respective memories of r. w. and me?

Eric

Eric -

I wonder what the record is for buzzer beaters in a season, because there were quite a few that year (including the Calvin game you mentioned).  I think Kraft's deep shot came against Gettysburg in the regular season, and Maiatico hit a shorter jumper to beat Washington in the CC semis.  I remember the post-game "near brawl" between Adams and the fans -- luckily nobody got hurt.

Great choices for best games.  I hope this weekend produces similarly exciting contests (G-burg/McDaniel could be one to remember).  Wish I could be there for tomorrow's matchups, but will have to follow on the video.

Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2009, 07:34:09 PM
Pool C is filling up fast with league champions.  Looks like there have been numerous upsets around the nation already.
Guilford
Buena Vista
St. Mary's

This means that probably only the winner of the Centennial Conference is going to the dance.
The Dips better have their game faces on.

I might need some Advil this weekend to get through the Pool C madness!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2009, 10:15:40 PM
Randolph-Macon falls into Pool C.
It's getting crowded.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 28, 2009, 09:32:58 AM
Does anyone know if F&M v. Muhlenberg is being broadcast over the internet for free?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2009, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: crambam on February 28, 2009, 09:32:58 AM
Does anyone know if F&M v. Muhlenberg is being broadcast over the internet for free?

All of the games are free -- here's a link from F&M's site:

http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/CCChamps/champland
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 28, 2009, 03:14:10 PM
Help!  I can get picture but no sound.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2009, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 25, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
I understand the selection of Andrew Powers over John Noonan as POY----I guess.  Ursinus' failure to make the playoffs was key and, I am sure, the selection committee did not want to give it to Ursinus every year.  Nevertheless, I'll bet the voting was close as the statistics support John Noonan.  The Jostens nomination is an indicator.

I do not understand why Remy Cousart was not selected for the Second Team.  Of the 13 individual statistical categories, his name appeared in 9. He was:

1st in assists and assist to turnover ratio
2nd in defensive rebounding (this is a point guard)
4th in total rebounding & 3pt shooting %
11th in field goal %
12th in steals
14th in scoring
9th in minutes per game

He is one of the most selfless players I have seen.  I think Remy deserved a better position on the all conference team.  Guess he will have to wait until next year to see if he is better than honorable mention.

Regarding my earlier posting concerning the all conference selections.

Miguel Jones & Josh McKay from McDaniel, two second team all conference selections, did not score a point between them against Gettysburg today.  Both were selected above Remy Cousart.  I rest my case.

Gabriel


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
Pick em for 3/1/2009

I stick with my earlier pick of Gettysburg over F&M in the championship game.  Getty seems to be back on track.  F&M is fortunate they host.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 28, 2009, 06:38:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 28, 2009, 05:57:36 PM
Miguel Jones & Josh McKay from McDaniel, two second team all conference selections, did not score a point between them against Gettysburg today.  Both were selected above Remy Cousart.  I rest my case.

While I agree that Cousart's numbers probably warranted a better position, it's understandable to me that Jones and McKay were selected.  Simply comparing numbers doesn't make sense when the players come from teams with such different styles.  One team led the conference in scoring defense but was in the lower half in scoring offense, while the other was dead last in scoring defense (by more than 2 ppg) but was 2nd in scoring offense.  When a situation like that makes direct comparison of numbers difficult, team success will end up playing more of a part, and McDaniel's season was far better than Ursinus'.

There was almost no way the the team with the 2nd best record in the conference was not going to get at least 1 player on the 1st or 2nd team.  Whether they deserved 2 spots is certainly a valid question.  Since I didn't see them play nearly enough (only once) to know how important McKay and Jones were to their defense, I can't say with much certainty that they did not deserve the selections.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 07:03:02 PM
Two different games at F&M.
In the first game, Gettysburg dominated McDaniel from start to finish.  The score was closer than the actual game.  The only thing worst than McDaniel's play was the shot clock.
Gettysburg could do very little wrong.  Powers and Dorsey had big games.

In the second game you had an ugly officiated game.  Sixty-one fouls were called and numerous fragrant fouls were missed.  Barnes put McNally and Selig with elbows to the head and neither one was called a foul.  After falling behind 10-0 in the first six minutes, the Muhl started to exert themselves physically.  The play could very dirt.  Muhlenberg was whistled for only 37 fouls.  Fortunately for them, F&M missed 21 foul shots.  F&M was whistled for 24 fouls, and the Muhes were 22 for 30 from the line.  The best taunt of the night was "Ref, it's a foul even it the jersey doesn't rip."
This game was much better played than F&M's last two as they distributed the scoring much better.  All the scorers scored in  double figures with Brooks leading the way with 20.
F&M actually took 2 3-pointers and made them both.
Muhlenberg was 7 for 18 from beyond the arc.
F&M caused 19 turnovers including 10 steals.
F&M will have to play a well-rounded game tomorrow and make their foul shots to Gettysburg, who looks like the ranked team they were in the beginning of the year.
I, as expected, stay with the Dips to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Commish, how do they pick the refs for the play-offs?  Even before the game started between F&M and Muhlenberg, I turned to the man next to me and said that 2 of the refs are terrible.
They didn't disappoint me.  I got what I expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 28, 2009, 07:18:58 PM
A couple other stats:

F&M attempted 58 free throws, a new F&M record.

9 of Muhlenberg's 37 fouls came in the last 2:10, as they attempted to make up the deficit.  Before this, there was a much smaller disparity in fouls and FTs between the teams.

Frankly, the game was so ugly and physical that I have no idea whether F&M is at all back on track offensively (despite the 87 points).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 08:09:56 PM
I believe two more top twenty teams lost today.
Ithaca
Trinity(Texas)
Upsets abound as we wind down the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 08:33:50 PM
Interesting stat
Out of 392 schools ranked, F&M is ranked 392th for 3-point shots attempted per game. Gettysburg-211
Muhlenberg-213
McDaniel-375

Looks like the Centennial is not a 3-point conference.
Grinnell leads the nation with over 21 attempts per game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 28, 2009, 08:47:01 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 08:33:50 PM
Interesting stat
Out of 392 schools ranked, F&M is ranked 392th for 3-point shots attempted per game. Gettysburg-211
Muhlenberg-213
McDaniel-375

Looks like the Centennial is not a 3-point conference.
Grinnell leads the nation with over 21 attempts per game.

Actually, I believe those rankings are 3-pointers made, not attempted.  When I was looking earlier in the season, I couldn't find any place that ranks attempted 3-pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2009, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 28, 2009, 07:18:58 PM
Frankly, the game was so ugly and physical that I have no idea whether F&M is at all back on track offensively (despite the 87 points).

Good observation -- F&M isn't back on track at all.  It was the ugliest game I've seen in quite a while.  In my opinion, anyone who picks F&M tomorrow is absolutely dreaming.  Gettysburg is playing like the team they were picked to be in the preseason, and the Dips have picked the absolute worst time of year to play their worst basketball. 

Gettysburg fans will take over Mayser Center tomorrow, as they did today, and the Dips will suffer a double-digit loss.  I hope I'm wrong, but Gettysburg should really be the favorite tomorrow.  The game shouldn't be close, based on how the two teams are playing right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 28, 2009, 09:02:07 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on Today at 05:57:36 pm

Miguel Jones & Josh McKay from McDaniel, two second team all conference selections, did not score a point between them against Gettysburg today.  Both were selected above Remy Cousart.  I rest my case.

Gabriel

You rest your case?  McKay and Jones played awful today-agreed 100%, but we are talking about the entire season Gabriel.  Let's see:  1)McDaniel finished 2nd in the league, well above Ursinus and with many big games by McKay and Jones  2)McDaniel 2-0 vs. Ursinus 3)Cousart had poor performances in both of those games vs. McDaniel with his 12 TO(erratic and way too much dribbling) 4)  Ursinus finished 7th in the league.
Don't get me wrong, I think Cousart is a good player, but no need to bash other players when you haven't seen them play all season.  Get over it and your obsession with Remy Cousart.  
I rest my case...

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 28, 2009, 08:47:01 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 08:33:50 PM
Interesting stat
Out of 392 schools ranked, F&M is ranked 392th for 3-point shots attempted per game. Gettysburg-211
Muhlenberg-213
McDaniel-375

Looks like the Centennial is not a 3-point conference.
Grinnell leads the nation with over 21 attempts per game.

Yes, I should have said made.  F&M is 67 for 187 (36%)
Grinnell 489 for 1308

I guess the number of attempts could be determined if I had a list of the 392 teams.
Looking at the chart for the top 75 percentagewise no team is any where near as low as F&M.
The closest to 187 on the top 75 percentage was McMurry with 141 for 341.


Actually, I believe those rankings are 3-pointers made, not attempted.  When I was looking earlier in the season, I couldn't find any place that ranks attempted 3-pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2009, 09:47:53 PM
Reserved Seat-

Interesting stats.  I think 3-point shooting could be the difference tomorrow.  Here's a legitimate question: will Gettyburg shoot a higher percentage from beyond the arc than F&M does at the free throw line?  I think the Bullets will -- F&M has been atrocious at the line all season, especially today.

I don't know of any Gettysburg posters.  Are there any out there?  If so, what's the deal with this team?  The Bullets started out with a very high national ranking, then dove into the abyss.  Now Gettysburg is back, and the No. 3 seed in the CC is a total misrepresentation of the level they're playing at now.  This is an experienced team, with everyone back from a Sweet 16 squad, including four senior starters and a sophomore POY.  Now that the "real" Bullets are back, I think we could be talking about a deep NCAA run.

F&M's day will come, but I'm afraid not this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 01, 2009, 12:28:30 AM
Pick adjustment

G-burg over F&M  (swapping iceberg for iceburg that Dip Titanic may sink on)

Am not as sure about 15-20 point whupping RW alludes to. Perhaps a late game heroic shot or a game-stopping zebra-call with time running out. Most likely Bullets by 5-7. I also anticipated a horribly called game when we saw the referees. This was as bad as I've seen all year. Between Barnes knocking players around & Liddic perfecting half-nelsons & hammer-locks but not getting fouls called. Yet multitudes of ticky-tack fouls called that shouldn't have been. I've got to agree ugly scrum, but Brooks sure played well when he wasn't in foul trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2009, 07:17:09 AM
Link to projected field

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/09/projected.htm

Doesn't say what happens if Gettysburg's wins.  Gettysburg isn't on the projected list or anywhere in the comments.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2009, 08:15:16 AM
After a little research, this is the best results I could find for 3-point shooting

Dickinson  127-410
F&M           67-187
Gettysburg 151-456
Haverford    95-328
John Hopkins 107-329
McDaniel       93-312
Muhlenberg  147-482
Swarthmore  117-419
Ursinus        187-445(sixth best percentage in the nation)
Washington  131-406

F&M has by far the fewest attempts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on March 01, 2009, 08:36:40 AM
I saw the games yesterday and think Gettysburg is peaking at the right time. I like F&M's athleticism but I think their youth will hurt them against a very experienced Bullets team. I don't think it will be a blowout, championships are always hard to win. It was a great conference season with 9 teams capable of winning on any given night and Swat springing some surprises at the end. Regardless of who you root for, this is a terrific conference to follow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 01, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
If F&M loses, will they get an at large bid to the Tourney?

How can they be #1 seed if they win, and not in at all if they lose?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 01, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: d3hoopsfan on February 28, 2009, 09:02:07 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on Today at 05:57:36 pm

Miguel Jones & Josh McKay from McDaniel, two second team all conference selections, did not score a point between them against Gettysburg today.  Both were selected above Remy Cousart.  I rest my case.

Gabriel

You rest your case?  McKay and Jones played awful today-agreed 100%, but we are talking about the entire season Gabriel.  Let's see:  1)McDaniel finished 2nd in the league, well above Ursinus and with many big games by McKay and Jones  2)McDaniel 2-0 vs. Ursinus 3)Cousart had poor performances in both of those games vs. McDaniel with his 12 TO(erratic and way too much dribbling) 4)  Ursinus finished 7th in the league.
Don't get me wrong, I think Cousart is a good player, but no need to bash other players when you haven't seen them play all season.  Get over it and your obsession with Remy Cousart.  
I rest my case...

d3hoopsfan,

First of all, I don't think I bashed Jones or McKay.  Jones, in particular, is a wonderful defensive player----in my view the key to their defensive success.  Secondly, all conference selections are individual awards, not team awards.  How else do you judge if not by stats.  Every player has a bad game every now and then, Remy did have a bad one against McDaniel.  He also had at least two triple doubles and broke the conference assist record this year.  He does dribble a lot but the coach wants to have him push the ball and Coach Small seems to know what he is doing.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 01, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 28, 2009, 06:38:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 28, 2009, 05:57:36 PM
Miguel Jones & Josh McKay from McDaniel, two second team all conference selections, did not score a point between them against Gettysburg today.  Both were selected above Remy Cousart.  I rest my case.

While I agree that Cousart's numbers probably warranted a better position, it's understandable to me that Jones and McKay were selected.  Simply comparing numbers doesn't make sense when the players come from teams with such different styles.  One team led the conference in scoring defense but was in the lower half in scoring offense, while the other was dead last in scoring defense (by more than 2 ppg) but was 2nd in scoring offense.  When a situation like that makes direct comparison of numbers difficult, team success will end up playing more of a part, and McDaniel's season was far better than Ursinus'.

There was almost no way the the team with the 2nd best record in the conference was not going to get at least 1 player on the 1st or 2nd team.  Whether they deserved 2 spots is certainly a valid question.  Since I didn't see them play nearly enough (only once) to know how important McKay and Jones were to their defense, I can't say with much certainty that they did not deserve the selections.

fritzdis,

I understand what you are saying.  Selections like this are very subjective and one can argue either way.  McDaniel did have a much better season than Ursinus.  The loss of Matt Hilton was more than the Bears could over come given their lack of post presence and bench depth.  One correction to what you said, Ursinus finished first in scoring offense, not second.  But, they did finish last in scoring defense.  On to next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 01, 2009, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 01, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
If F&M loses, will they get an at large bid to the Tourney?

How can they be #1 seed if they win, and not in at all if they lose?

The people in the Pool C thread seem to be expecting F&M to make it.  Losing 3 of your last 4 is obviously not a good way to go into the Tournament, but they looked a lot better to me today.  They just happened to be going up against a Gettysburg team that has become what they were expected to be.  Gettysburg's bad stretch of games will hurt their seeding, but I still expect them to do some real damage in the Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 01, 2009, 05:44:32 PM
They ran into one hot shooting guy, from Gettysburg, and some terrible shot selection on their part throughout the game.  Frustrating to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2009, 08:21:25 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 01, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
If F&M loses, will they get an at large bid to the Tourney?

How can they be #1 seed if they win, and not in at all if they lose?

It all has to do with who's going to be in Pool C.  With many regular season conference champions losing, it makes being a Pool C selection a crap shoot.

Very tight game 66-65 with about a minute to play.

Gettysburg played a great game and deserved to win.  Capkin was on fire and played like the preseason All-American pick he was suppose to be.  Dorsey played a good game and Powers played a consistent game as he's done most of the season.

Selig had a great game for F&M.  Brooks hustle all over the court, but Milligan had a rare off night.  He seemed to be a non-factor in the game. 

The officiating seemed reasonable fair except for the walking calls.  These called seemed to be unevenly called.  Dorsey seemed to get away with several NBA drives.

Hopefully, the Pool C selectors looked favorable upon F&M's record.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 01, 2009, 11:02:59 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2009, 08:21:25 PM
Gettysburg played a great game and deserved to win.  Capkin was on fire and played like the preseason All-American pick he was suppose to be.

You can say that again -- congrats to Gettysburg on the conference title.  That was one exciting game in Mayser today.  Capkin provided a never-ending supply of daggers that only the final horn could stop.  The better team clearly won, and it's still baffling to me how the Bullets lost so many games.  With everyone back from last year's Sweet 16 team, I think Gettysburg will surprise some people and make a run at Salem.

Now F&M sits and waits.  Whatever happens, the Dips now have some playoff experience under their belt that should benefit them down the road.  They exceeded my expectations this year with a turnaround I thought was at least another year away.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2009, 04:54:45 AM
According to the site's new projections, F&M could be on the outside looking in.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/09/projected.htm

It looks like the Dickinson loss is going to kill F&M, not to mention losing three of four overall.  I know why the above projections referred to yesterday's CC final as an "upset," but having seen Gettysburg-F&M three times this year, it's hard to call it that from an observer's standpoint.  Still, F&M had control of its own destiny, and now it's in the committee's hands.  Can't take anything for granted this time of year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 02, 2009, 07:48:54 AM
It would be sad if a team ranked #1/2 in their region is offed by the usual NESCAC also-ran ranked # 9 in the final NE poll. F&M has a better Regional record (& overall). But it has been the case since these new amorphous "criteria" came into being in the last decade. I agree with crambam it is tragically amusing that a team could possibly go from a top seed in section to totally out of consideration on the basis of one tough loss. I wonder if political clout doesn't play some roll in this, the NE Region is always getting the extra team(s) it seems.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 02, 2009, 08:07:51 AM
Another variable in all this is could the Mid-Atlantic rankings have been adjusted. In Patrick Abegg's statistical model F&M & DeSales moved above St. Mary's when the games since the last public ranking were added. St. Mary's lost to a Dickinson like Marymount, while F&M beat Muhlenberg & lost to Gettysburg both much better teams with  better records. Perhaps the case could be made that F&M should be presented first from the Mid-Atlantic group to the National committee for Pool C ahead of of St. Mary's? Lord knows I have no instinct for how these issues are decided. One thing is for sure F&M has never gotten an at large bid under this system (they might have in 2004 if they had not won the CC as the were MA top ranked then). I would like to see that trend changed today, but would not be surprised if F&M is out like the "Ground Hog Day" movie again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2009, 08:16:39 AM
D.B.-

I noticed that Patrick Abegg projects F&M as the 7th team out of 18 in Pool C.  What worries me is that he qualifies the model with this sentence:

"These are just estimates and do not reflect all of the selection criteria."

So, my temporary relief was washed away.  I join you in hoping we avoid another letdown like '02 and '03, but I'm fearing the worst.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 02, 2009, 09:32:29 AM
r.w. 2002 & 2003 were brutal. I think in 2002 D3hoops predicted Dips to get in but were left out for a team they beat during the season. One of those years Dips played at Alvernia who went several rounds in the NCAA & beat them by 40, that was one of my favorite in person games of all time (along with the '91 semi against Ramapo). Those teams could have made an Elite 8 run with their talent but were left home. This team would be fortunate to win 1-2 games but the experience would be critical in setting up the team for runs to E8 & beyond over the next 2 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2009, 10:49:02 AM
Well, there's a photo of Georgio Milligan (along with a Rochester women's player) on the front of NCAA.com -- could this give us a clue?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 02, 2009, 11:27:18 AM
F&M in as I thought they should have been. Luckily it didn't come done to Amherst, D3hoops was right, they would surely have gone instead of Dips. Mid-Atlantic only got 1 bid (area usually disrespected, except last year), Abegg's model was correct. Dips got in over St. Mary's or Buena Vista, or were comfortably in earlier in the process. Got to see Giorgio's picture.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2009, 11:47:12 AM
a sigh of relief :D
My seat is still reserved.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 02, 2009, 11:50:45 AM
I don't know what F&M can do, but they found by far the most soft quarter of the draw. Brandeis would & Ithaca are teams that should be a tough challenge. Look at who they would have to get by to get to the FF.

Wesley (Dips should have a chance at home)
Brandeis (This would be the game that would please me if they could upset a UAA team)
Salem State (Good but Dips have score to settle from 2000 FF)
Ithaca or WPI (Very good but not exactly Wisc-Whatever or Wheaton)

Contrariwise Gettysburg was thrown to the wolves & has a tough road to go in the second toughest quarter. Wooster & Capital right off the bat in Ohio. No favors given, we'll see how well they do against tough competition.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 02, 2009, 11:51:42 AM
Will the games be broadcast on free internet?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 02, 2009, 01:51:12 PM
Welcome to Ohio, Gettysburg fans.  Capital's arena, the Capital Center, is a very nice 2100-seat facility, and it's pretty conveniently located near both I-70 and the Columbus airport.  For information on game times, tickets, and travel options, keep your radio tuned to Capital.edu (http://www.capital.edu/71/).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2009, 02:47:48 PM
D.B.Cooper: I believe the 4th. team that will be at Mayser will be the Univ. of Scranton not Ithaca or WPI.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2009, 02:47:48 PM
D.B.Cooper: I believe the 4th. team that will be at Mayser will be the Univ. of Scranton not Ithaca or WPI.

I think D.B. is talking about the possible future match-ups, not who's at F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2009, 03:35:57 PM
Stats on Wesley
Record 18-9
High scoring  88.4
Scoring defense weak-give up 82.8
44% shooting
shoot a lot of threes-make 10+ a game
foul shooting  68.9%
outrebounded--only one player over 6' 4"
seems like they have speed
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 02, 2009, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2009, 03:35:57 PM
only one player over 6' 4"

And he only played 38 minutes the whole season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:38:29 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2009, 05:50:18 PM
The Centennial has two teams in the dance for a second consecutive year -- quite a feat for this league.  Congrats to the Bullets and Dips.  Gettysburg is playing well but has a tough draw, and F&M limps into the tournament but gets to play at home.  Hard to say what next weekend might bring.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2009, 07:02:39 PM
Comparative stats-hope the alignment isn't too confusing

                  Wesley                       F&M
Category                Rank       Actual    Rank       Actual   
Won-Lost Percentage (392 ranked) 86       66.7       23     81.5
Scoring Offense (392 ranked)    4       87.9            66    76.6
Scoring Defense (392 ranked)       374       81.5       109    66.9
Scoring Margin (392 ranked)       79       6.4       36    9.7
Field-Goal Percentage (392 ranked)    207       43.8       15    49.4
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (392 ranked) 386    50.0      96    41.9
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (392 ranked) 2    10.6      392    2.7   
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (288 ranked) 96   36.1      not ranked
Three Pt FG Defense (392 ranked)    190       34.0      119    32.8
Free-Throw Percentage (392 ranked)    156       69.8       250    67.5
Rebound Margin (392 ranked)       374       -7.4       26    6.0
Assists Per Game (392 ranked)       157       13.6      79    14.7
Assist Turnover Ratio (392 ranked)    119       0.97       129    0.95
Blocked Shots Per Game (392 ranked)    349       1.7      48    3.9
Steals Per Game (392 ranked)       23       10.6       47    9.6
Turnovers Per Game (392 ranked)    99       14.0       209    15.5    
Turnover Margin (392 ranked)       5       7.9       82    2.1
Personal Fouls Per Game (392 ranked)    182       18.2       176   18.1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 03, 2009, 07:22:24 PM
I have gathered together the rosters and stats for the teams that will be playing at Capital this weekend.  They can be found here:  http://www.jtaswell.com/2009MBB/2009_MBB_Capital_Pod_Stats.htm

If anyone cares to have that information in an excel file, drop me a note and I'll be happy to send it to you!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2009, 08:33:37 PM
Old Ends,
Hope you're feeling well.
Haven't seen any posts recently.
What's your take on Gettysburg and F&M's chances?
It would be fun to see Gettysburg/F&M 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 03, 2009, 09:05:20 PM
Reserved Seat: F&M-Gettysburg 4 would put the D3 World upside down as they can only meet in Salem on March 21 in the Championship or Consolation. That would be less likely than SWAT beating Gettysburg, but wait didn't that happen?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2009, 09:50:08 PM
And I thought two CC teams meeting in the Sweet 16 last year was an accomplishment...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 05, 2009, 08:20:40 AM
Looks like Wesley-F&M should be a huge contrast in styles.  It could be interesting if Wesley gets F&M into a shootout.  But I think Scranton or Brandeis will go to the Sweet 16 from that pod.

I like Gettysburg's chances to get to the Sweet 16 again this year.  For another day at least, we can still dream of the unlikely all-CC title game!

Here is an interview with Wesley head coach Jerry Kobasa (from the Feb. 12 Hoopsville).  It gives some background on the Wesley squad:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/kobasa021209.mp3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: laxhound on March 05, 2009, 12:06:16 PM
F&M has been loosing a lot lately, if they do not show up to play Wesley will run right by them.  Wesley also has a NCAA D3 player of the year candidate and is riding a high since winning the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 05, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
F&M was picked as one of the teams most likely to disappoint.  Good.  I hope they get wind of that and use it as motivation. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2009, 09:04:27 AM
Hope to see a large, enthusiastic crowd at F&M tonight.
Rashawn Johnson sounds like an exciting, athletic player.
It will be interesting to see how F&M's athletic guards match up.  Brooks is extremely athletic, and with the help of Milligan hopefully can give fits to Johnson.
It looks  if F&M can cause Wesley to take tough shots F&M should have a good chance to get the rebound with their height advantage.
The different in styles should make the game very entertaining.
I will be in my seat by 5:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 06, 2009, 07:05:27 PM
Hi guys

Well my vacation in Fl went south . Got some bug in me while sailing off the Fl coast and spent a few days in the Hospital.
Got back to the house in Sanibel where I fell and broke my hip. It is the same one that I broke as a 12 yr old boy and back then they let it heal and it caused my limp. Well they are going to but a new one in when I get back to MD. I leave to go home tomorrow with my daughter driving, she sould have been on the NASCAR circut.

Glad to see both Gettysburg and F&M got into the dance and I hope they do well. My feeling is that they both might get out of the first round. F  & M could have problems with the age of the team, if they get to point where they get behind in points thier heads may drop. Gettysburg, it depends which team shows up. If they keep playing as they have been they should do alright in the first few rounds..

Will be watching or listening, but will be on my back for some time before therapy kicks in. Will keep ya posted when they allow me to sit up again.

Good luck to both teams.
OLD
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 06, 2009, 09:55:40 PM
Congrats to the Dips who responded to the suggestion that they were the most over-rated team in the tournament by showing these young kids can play a mature brand of basketball. In spite of that that they have a tough match up tomorrow & I make them an 8 point underdog. Perhaps they have woken up out of that trance they were in for 4 games & just maybe they can pull off one more upset & make their 12th sweet sixteen ever, perhaps @ WPI or Ithaca.

On a sadder note the tough Ohio road trip ended Gettysburg's season early. I was not totally surprised as that wouldn't really have been anything like a true neutral court at Capital. They played decent in the first half & had a halftime lead. But they could not continue to fire the rock at the astonishing pace they seem to always do against the Dips. Andrew Powers will have to regroup next year with a team that will not be favored in the top 3 in the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2009, 10:36:28 PM
F&M matched up well with Wesley.  They had enough speed to counter Wesley's speed, and more than enough height to dominate inside.  F&M played tight defense and gave Wesley little opportunity for easy shots.  Brooks did a terrific job on Johnson.  F&M had six players in double figures: McNally 18; Baker 12; Brooks 17; Milligan 11; Scovill 12; and Selig 12.  Tolliver just missed out with 9.  F&M dominated the boards 53-21 and handed out 27 assists as the moved the ball inside the paint.  Wesley had 18 steals to F&M's 12, but got a lot when the subs were in.
Tomorrow match-up with Brandeis should be more even.  Brandeis is much more well-rounded than Wesley.  Small will match up well with Brooks.  Magee seems to the weakest of the starters.   DeLucia will be a tough match up.  Olson had an off night so it's hard to judge(pun intended) his ability.  Hopefully, the crowd will be enough to give F&M the edge they need to beat Brandeis.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2009, 11:17:44 PM
Official attendance at F&M 2,012.(nice crowd, but still plenty of empty seats)  Hope to see a bigger crowd tomorrow.  What was attendance like around the nation?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2009, 12:01:07 AM
Quote from: crambam on March 05, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
F&M was picked as one of the teams most likely to disappoint.  Good.  I hope they get wind of that and use it as motivation. 

Not sure what it was, but the team looked pretty fired up.  It's been a while since the gym was that loud.  F&M got tons of easy looks early on, then pretty much cruised.  In a possible sign of things to come for Wesley, Rashawn Johnson broke his iPod while dunking during pre-game warmups (but he is clearly a gifted player, and Brooks did a nice job on him as noted by Reserved Seat).

Tomorrow will be different because Brandeis has players taller than 6-3 and actually plays defense.  The Judges look like a more experienced version of F&M.  The home crowd will help, but I think Brandeis should move on to the Sweet 16.  Anything more than this is gravy for F&M.  The Dips have now gained some NCAA experience, and they didn't disappoint when they were picked to do so.

For anyone who couldn't make it, here are some pics from F&M's basketball page:

http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/NCAAtourney/satpix
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2009, 12:06:42 AM
Quote from: old ends on March 06, 2009, 07:05:27 PM
Hi guys

Well my vacation in Fl went south . Got some bug in me while sailing off the Fl coast and spent a few days in the Hospital.
Got back to the house in Sanibel where I fell and broke my hip. It is the same one that I broke as a 12 yr old boy and back then they let it heal and it caused my limp. Well they are going to but a new one in when I get back to MD. I leave to go home tomorrow with my daughter driving, she sould have been on the NASCAR circut.

Glad to see both Gettysburg and F&M got into the dance and I hope they do well. My feeling is that they both might get out of the first round. F  & M could have problems with the age of the team, if they get to point where they get behind in points thier heads may drop. Gettysburg, it depends which team shows up. If they keep playing as they have been they should do alright in the first few rounds..

Will be watching or listening, but will be on my back for some time before therapy kicks in. Will keep ya posted when they allow me to sit up again.

Good luck to both teams.
OLD

Old Ends-

Hope all goes well.  At least you have the D-III playoffs to keep you entertained while you're on the road to recovery...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 07, 2009, 08:44:58 AM
Hopefully the Dips are hungry for more.  People keep saying they can't do it.  Brandeis will be a big test.  Let's see if they can rise to the occasion.  The good teams do.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
Just noticed that Brandeis coach Brian Meehan was the coach of the 2000 Salem State team that F&M faced in Salem.

F&M hasn't fared well against teams from New England in the NCAA tournament over the years.  It will take their "A" game to change that tonight -- should be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2009, 02:57:13 PM
  The teams match up well, especially when Hollins comes off the bench. Anticipating a fine game, with F&M the victor by the homecourt advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 07, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
SWEET 16!!!!!  They haven't disappointed yet, though holy cow they almost choked.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2009, 11:13:14 PM
F&M inexperienced(youthful) team got a taste of tournament play.  Cruising along with a twenty point lead late in the second half.  Brandeis went to a full court pressure causing F&M to become completely out of synch.  Between turnovers and missed foul shots, Brandeis brought the game back to a one possession game with a chance to tie or win it with the last shot.  Fortunately for F&M the shot didn't drop.  Credit has to go to Brandeis for not packing it in as Scranton had the night before.  F&M's sweated it out in the hot gym until the final shot.
Brandeis can hold their heads high for an outstanding effort.  They had an excellent starting five.
F&M will go back to the drawing board to practice how to break a pressure.  F&M's youthfulness almost did them in tonight.
Looking forward to the naming of the site for next week's game.  The crowd played an important part to F&M early lead(13 points at the half).
I believe the bracket comes down to Salem State, F&M, Mass/Dartmouth, and Desales.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
Unbelievable!  We got the close game a lot of people expected, but not in the manner we expected.  What an amazing run by Brandeis in the second half after a dominating 30 minutes by F&M.  Hard to believe the Dips are in the Sweet 16.

This team continues to surprise me, despite a near-collapse of epic proportions.  I thought a good season would have been making the CC playoffs.  They've proven me wrong all season.

I guess we'll find out soon about the sectional site.  My guess would be UMass-Dartmouth, based on their record (best of the four teams) and location.  Salem State just traveled to Widener, so maybe the NCAA will make the PA teams go up to New England.  F&M is slightly less than 400 miles away from UMass-Dartmouth, but right around 400 from Salem State.  UMD also has a decent sized gym (3,000).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2009, 12:08:32 AM
All the very best from a great number of Scranton fans to F&M. My guess is that you will get the host site for the Sweet 16. There is no way Desales will get it & the 2 Mass. schools are iffy at best as far as bringing in a crowd & the green. The spirt of Donny Marsh lives on exactly 30 years later.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 08, 2009, 09:53:56 AM
Did they change the rules as to who hosts the Sweet 16?  When I was in school, let's say the Middle Atlantic Conference was playing the East.  The top team from one of the regions would host no matter what.  The next year, the region that didn't host, would get their shot for their top team standing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2009, 10:40:47 AM
crambam-

I'm not sure when they changed the rules, but it is different than when they rotated regions and the top remaining seed hosted.  A combination of factors go into it.  This post from the Multi-Regional topics section lists the criteria:

Quote from: Titan Q on March 08, 2009, 09:02:26 AM
The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria for all championships:

1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;

2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather, accessibility, and transportation costs);

3. Seeding, and;

4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to assure fiscal responsibility.


http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_mbasketball_handbook.pdf

(page 7)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2009, 11:45:25 AM
The Dips game was both exhilarating but also almost gave me a heart attack. The part where they looked like an experienced team dicing their talented opponent on the way to a FF was unbelievable. Then there was the team that showed up to play the final 8-9 minutes, missing countless free throws, acting like they never had seen or practiced against a trapping press before, McNally heaving the ball to Judge players in desperation 3-4 times. But they did somehow win in spite of all these bad plays. I hope they can get to Saturday, probably in Massachusetts, so I can go to the 7th E8 games in my lifetime, this being only the second one that I wasn't expecting along with Alex Kraft's 2000 squad road warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: stamolpid on March 08, 2009, 12:49:44 PM
Franklin and Marshall hosting sectionals.  Sweet indeed!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
My seat is reserved for another game, and hopefully, two.

Sorry to hear about the injured players at Salem.  Hopefully, they will be able to play by Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 09, 2009, 12:14:25 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 11, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
Always glad to lose a pick-em because the Dips prove me wrong for my only incorrect pick. They've gotten most of the ghosts sent back to the Twilight Zone now with a sweep over the Bears. I guess I'll have to try to get off for the Sweet 16/Elite 8 weekend now.

D.B., I thought you mentioned the Sweet 16 a few weeks ago, and I found the above post.  Well done!  If only I had your predictive powers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 09, 2009, 12:45:38 PM
According to the story on the front page, Ithaca probably would have been a shoo-in to host this weekend.  Even after DeSales upset Ithaca, I thought UMass-Dartmouth would get the sectional because of its record and gym size (I actually started thinking how I could get there).  So, I'm surprised the games are at F&M.  I can only guess that the NCAA criteria involving revenue potential and attendance history tipped the balance in F&M's favor, as Saratoga predicted.

Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2009, 12:08:32 AM
There is no way Desales will get it & the 2 Mass. schools are iffy at best as far as bringing in a crowd & the green.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 09, 2009, 12:59:16 PM
RW. That euphoric prediction was after Dips finally won in Collegeville & I thought the sky was the limit then. As always with a very good F&M team the biggest hurdle is to actually make the dance, as they rarely seem to punch their own ticket, but once in the field often go several rounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 09, 2009, 12:45:38 PM
According to the story on the front page, Ithaca probably would have been a shoo-in to host this weekend.  Even after DeSales upset Ithaca, I thought UMass-Dartmouth would get the sectional because of its record and gym size (I actually started thinking how I could get there).  So, I'm surprised the games are at F&M.  I can only guess that the NCAA criteria involving revenue potential and attendance history tipped the balance in F&M's favor, as Saratoga predicted.

Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2009, 12:08:32 AM
There is no way Desales will get it & the 2 Mass. schools are iffy at best as far as bringing in a crowd & the green.


I really think it's all seeding these days, actually. These decisions have really changed over the past three or four years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 09, 2009, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 09, 2009, 12:45:38 PM
According to the story on the front page, Ithaca probably would have been a shoo-in to host this weekend.  Even after DeSales upset Ithaca, I thought UMass-Dartmouth would get the sectional because of its record and gym size (I actually started thinking how I could get there).  So, I'm surprised the games are at F&M.  I can only guess that the NCAA criteria involving revenue potential and attendance history tipped the balance in F&M's favor, as Saratoga predicted.

Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2009, 12:08:32 AM
There is no way Desales will get it & the 2 Mass. schools are iffy at best as far as bringing in a crowd & the green.


I really think it's all seeding these days, actually. These decisions have really changed over the past three or four years.

I wish the NCAA would reveal the seeding so we'd have a better idea of how things might shake out in hosting decisions, etc.  I remember they used to reveal the seeds in the mid-'90s, and probably before that, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2009, 09:49:25 PM
Comparative stats--Salem State/F&M

                     Salem State      F&M
Category                Rank       Actual    Rank       Actual   
Won-Lost Percentage (392 ranked)  37       77.8       23     81.5
Scoring Offense (392 ranked)          39      79.1       66    76.6
Scoring Defense (392 ranked)        158       69.0      109    66.9
Scoring Margin (392 ranked)       32      10.2       36    9.7
Field-Goal Percentage (392 ranked)    45      47.6       15    49.4
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (392 ranked) 16    39.1      96    41.9
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (392 ranked) 317   4.9      392    2.7   
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (288 ranked)not ranked      not ranked
Three Pt FG Defense (392 ranked)    10      28.0      119    32.8
Free-Throw Percentage (392 ranked)    378      60.0       250    67.5
Rebound Margin (392 ranked)       79       3.8       26    6.0
Assists Per Game (392 ranked)       106       14.2      79    14.7
Assist Turnover Ratio (392 ranked)    223      0.82      129    0.95
Blocked Shots Per Game (392 ranked)    16      4.8      48    3.9
Steals Per Game (392 ranked)       20      10.6       47    9.6
Turnovers Per Game (392 ranked)    326       17.3       209    15.5    
Turnover Margin (392 ranked)       119      1.3      82    2.1
Personal Fouls Per Game (392 ranked)    277      19.4       176   18.1

Salem State actually shots foul shots worse than F&M.
Looks like a good match-up.
Salem State doesn't give up many threes, but F&M doesn't take many.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2009, 09:59:53 PM
Does anyone know the status of Salem State's injured players?
According to the box score against Widener, most of the starters(players with the most minutes per game) played against Widener. 
Salem State's height should match up well with F&M.  F&M might have an inch or two at some of the spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 10, 2009, 01:56:04 PM
Here is a link to an article in the Lancaster paper about F&M hosting the sweet 16 sectional. http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/234843
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 11, 2009, 11:47:50 AM
Muhlenberg coach Dave Madeira announced his retirement after 22 years in Allentown:

Muhlenberg press release (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/spring09/310.html)

Morning Call story (http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-muhlenberg.6812704mar11,0,3418379.story)

Best wishes to Coach Madeira, who had a fantastic run at Muhlenberg that included a 311-247 record and two CC titles.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on March 11, 2009, 11:59:06 AM
Who are possible replacements?

Csensits from Dickinson, Schlosser from Etown, maybe the assistants from Lafayette?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 11, 2009, 12:00:12 PM
The Mules have always been well coached in my memory first with Coach Moore & then Coach Madiera. I have them picked third at this point for next year behind F&M & McDaniel. So the cupboard will not be bare. I can remember both his likely successors from their playing days. Hoppes with LVC (playing with Mailen & Freysinger I think) & of Lesko was a top level big man his whole career with Muhlenberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on March 11, 2009, 11:59:06 AM
Who are possible replacements?

Csensits from Dickinson, Schlosser from Etown, maybe the assistants from Lafayette?

I suspect Muhlenberg will get nearly a hundred applications.

What about Muhlenberg would make it more attractive to Dennis Csentis or Bob Schlosser? Those guys have been at their school a long time and from here such a move seems fairly lateral.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on March 11, 2009, 12:14:23 PM
A couple of reasons:

Both coaches have ties with the area.
The success that Muhlenburg has had over the years overpowers that of the Dickinson Tradition. 

In Schlossers case, he coached at a high school in allentown.

Another guy may be the former assistant from DeSales(Kraft)

Maybe a local high school coach?

Or D1 assistant
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on March 11, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
I would think that they will receive hundreds of applications. I have no idea what the pay may be at this level which may discourage a D1 assistant. Kraft, the former ass't at DeSales and head coach at Marywood may make more as an assistant at St. Francis then he would make as a d3 head coach.  Do any of our posters have any idea what the typical d3 head coach makes? I would think it would be a coveted job but I'm not sure the E-town coach doesn't already have a good situation. Will they hire from  within? Both Hoppes and Lesko know the school and the team.  I suspect they wouldn't hire a head coach away from another team in the conference as they may cause problems within the conference and again because I believe they will get all the applications they need.  It will also be interesting to see if they try and get a coach in place before the end of the semester so the returnees can meet him prior to next school year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 04:58:29 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 12, 2009, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2009, 09:59:53 PM
Does anyone know the status of Salem State's injured players?

Reserved-

An article in the Salem News (link (http://www.salemnews.com/pusports/local_story_060230433.html)) says three players were injured on Feb. 27.  Of those three, only Nick Linear usually plays significant minutes according to the Salem State stats.  Linear has come back to start both NCAA games, scoring 22 against RIT and 17 against Widener.  So, it looks like he's relatively healthy and playing well.  The other two players haven't played in the NCAA games, but I'm not sure if that's due to injuries.

Salem State looks impressive, shooting well from the field and holding opponents below 40 percent.  Should be an excellent game.  I think any of the four teams playing in Mayser this weekend could head to Salem.  I wonder how many F&M students will postpone spring break a day or two...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 12, 2009, 08:30:17 PM
It looks like B2 will have live video from the F&M sectional both Friday and Saturday, and D3hoops will have live audio on Saturday.

Here's a link with information on the games, including the broadcast schedule:

F&M sectional info
(http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/NCAAtourney/NCAA16)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 12, 2009, 09:32:26 PM
r.w.
Thanks for the information.  The accident didn't seem to affect Salem's play at Widener.
I talked to a few student today, and they were planning on staying around, but it was only a small sample.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 13, 2009, 01:04:53 PM
When I was a student at F&M, there would be NO WAY I wouldn't be there, spring break or not.  Hell, I've gone to ROAD sectional games during spring break.  It's the TOURNAMENT for cryin' out loud.

GO DIPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 13, 2009, 01:59:52 PM
Crambam, I would have to agree, in 1989 I thougt nothing about heading up to Maine for an Elite 8 game. Unfortunately I couldn't get off work today but if one more pleasant surprise occurs & Dips are playing tomorrow I'll be there to keep my streak of seeing all 7 previous elite 8 games intact with an 8th game to get to FF.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 13, 2009, 03:45:27 PM
D.B.
I'm getting ready to leave now for the game.  I'll root twice as hard to help give F&M the home court advantage.  Hopefully, home court will be enough to win.  I, too, hope the students stick around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 13, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
In a game of spurts and sporadic play, F&M was able to hold on to win by 6.
Despite another night of poor shooting from the line(10 for 22), F&M had just enough to beat Salem State.
Both big men, McNally(F&M)3 for 12 and Holmes(Salem State)3 for 17, struggled.
Tolliver and Selig helped F&M to build a 4 point lead at the half.  Without their offense and defense, F&M could have been in a big hole.
Foul trouble hurt Salem State as they played a very agressive game.  Unfortunately for Salem State most of the fouls were on their three key players.
Celestin played a great game for Salem.  F&M fans were hoping he would join his teammates on the bench with 5 fouls.  Salem State was slightly under their seasonal average for fouls. Most of the fouls called on other players for Salem State were in the closing moments.
Brooks and Scovill had good offensive nights with Clay cleaning up a missed shots by teammates with a follow up.
Tomorrow should be an interesting night.  Desales played a great game and didn't panic when they fell behind by 10.
Mayser should be loud tomorrow, because DeSales had a large enthusiastic following last night. 
Looking forward to great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 14, 2009, 09:21:43 AM
Let's hope F&M can keep it up.  I have made the decision to drive in from NYC and see this game.

I hope they make the nearly 7 hours of driving I will be doing worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 14, 2009, 10:57:56 AM
I'm stunned that F&M is in the Elite Eight.  I have no idea how the Dips are doing it, but they refuse to allow their inability to hit foul shots, lack of a perimeter game, and overall inexperience stand in the way of NCAA victories.

Salem State played a great scheme to open the game, and F&M looked frustrated on offense.  But eventually, I think F&M's defense was the key, holding Salem State to around 30 percent on the night.

There is nothing quite like the atmosphere of a sectional, and last night was no exception.  Hats off to DeSales for a huge comeback against UMass-Dartmouth.  The DeSales fans came out in force, with many students dressed in red shirts making the trip to Lancaster.  I think tonight's crowd will be interesting, with a strong possibility that the DeSales students make more noise than the F&M students.  As for the game, who'd have picked F&M-DeSales to play for a trip to Virginia?  This is a great night for the Mid-Atlantic region!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2009, 12:04:26 PM
Defense has been the key to F&M's success.
With the amount of fans Desales had last night, F&M will have trouble matching the noise with their students now on break.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: kate on March 14, 2009, 12:38:26 PM
Very classy, r.w.,  :), thinking about the Mid Atlantic region representation.  You're right - thanks for that post.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 14, 2009, 12:39:58 PM
The tough physical games of the many talented teams of the CC were an important part of the cauldron that forged this overachieving very young Dip squad. The conference for a second year has shown, & as per some rankings I have seen that the CC is a top 10 national conference & often doesn't get much if any credit. One more win & even more light could shine on our league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2009, 09:36:37 PM
F&M--FINAL FOUR :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
Approximately 2,000 people watched an entertaining game between Desales and F&M.
Desales for a second night in a row had an enthusiastic following.
F&M was able to take an early and build it to 15 points at the half.
With the start of the second half, F&M was able to weather a valiant attempt by the Bulldogs to get back in the game.  F&M had one of better nights shooting threes. making 6 of 16.
Desales make 4 of 20.
Lapinski seemed unstoppable as he bull(dog)ed his way to 23 points on 11 of 15 shooting.
Braswell desperately tried to get Desales, by trying too hard he took too many off-balanced and out-of-controlled shots.
Milligan stepped up his game from the night before by scoring 21 despite some untimely turnovers.  McNally played a strong game and Scovill came through with some key shots.

Next up Richard Stockton who routed their opponent by 43 points.
Stockton looks like another Wesley with a little more height, and possibly more speed.

See you in Virginia. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2009, 11:36:49 PM
Congrats to F&M...enjoy this for a day & then get ready for an event the kids will remember forever.
  PS...box out on Stockton as they all love to crash then run.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 14, 2009, 11:39:21 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
Stockton looks like another Wesley with a little more height, and possibly more speed.

Except Stockton plays defense (63.8 opponents' ppg instead of 81.9, 41.6% opponents' FG% instead of 50.3%).  I'm pretty sure they're a different caliber of opponent than the teams F&M has faced so far.  The different styles should certainly make for an interesting match up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 14, 2009, 11:58:31 PM
I saw Stockton handle Scranton & they looked mature, talented and balanced. At the time I thought the Dips would have considerable trouble if they ever played. But I think the margin may have narrowed as the F&M youngsters matured this year. Also I can only think Coach Robinson's record against previous NJAC schools in NCAA's (Jersey City in '79, Ramapo '91, Rowan '93, Rowan '00 with a 3:1 record) may give Dips a underdog fighting chance.

It's a shame my work schedule will keep my from the FF once again (Trip in '91 may have to suffice until at least next year). During the entire 130 minute drive home tonight I'm not sure the wheels of my car even touched the pavement. Go on to Salem to continue this miraculous run by this underclassmen dominated team.

I wonder if Dips will ever get the student support back like in the glory years. DeSales fervent student fans were tremendous, to show the way it should be. I hope next year the student body gets behind this team in a big way,
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on March 15, 2009, 12:37:45 AM
Early info on Salem from F&M: http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/NCAAtourney/saleminfo (http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/NCAAtourney/saleminfo)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 15, 2009, 12:40:36 AM
That was awesome.  I'm so glad I made the trip.  It reminded me of beating Rochester in 1991.  Ok, so this game wasn't AS exciting, but there was some personal humor.  Before the game, I saw a display of pictures from that 1991 Final Four celebration at Mayser.  I found myself in several pictures, and the funniest part is when I went tonight, I was wearing the same shirt!   It was a 1991 NCAA Tourney shirt which was new then, and not so new now.

Of course, I made sure I sat in the same seat.  Great game.  Remember that prediction about the Dips being the most likely to blow it on their home court?

I guess that was wrong.  Hope they kick butt in Salem.  In 2000, they came within a hair of beating a heavily favored Calvin team.  So never say never.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on March 15, 2009, 07:24:46 AM
The Lancaster Sunday News remembered that prediction as well  ;):

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/235112 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/235112)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 15, 2009, 11:48:29 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 14, 2009, 11:58:31 PM
During the entire 130 minute drive home tonight I'm not sure the wheels of my car even touched the pavement. Go on to Salem to continue this miraculous run by this underclassmen dominated team.

I was so stunned that I don't even remember the trip home.  What an unpredictable, amazing season this team has had.  The front page says F&M "ended DeSales' Cinderella run," but how about F&M's Cinderella run?  The Dips were picked to finish 5th in the CC preseason poll; are loaded with underclassmen (including a freshman point guard); limped into the NCAA tournament, losing three of four; were picked as the team most likely to disappoint in this bracket; and are the only unranked team in the Final Four.

The Dips will be large underdogs in Salem.  They did have a relatively "easy" bracket compared to the others, playing all home games against unranked teams.  So, I'm not sure if the team is ready for the type of competition they'll face down there.  But maybe they have another surprise left in the tank.

D.B., I agree with you that the CC prepared the Dips well.   Two squads in Salem in two years isn't bad, considering the CC was written off three years ago as a national contender.

Have we heard from the diplomaniac lately?  Anyone who is considering going to Salem should definitely do it.  Even though F&M is 0-4 in that building (1996 and 2000), it's a great event.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 15, 2009, 01:05:19 PM
What is the story on TV coverage?  It would be incredible to watch this game in an NYC bar with other F&M alumni.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 15, 2009, 01:28:28 PM
crambam,
Check this site for more info
http://www.odaconline.com/hoopchamp/

I and three of my former roommates(fummers classes of '70 and '72) have our room booked. This will make my fifth final four, and as D.B. said the trip is definitely worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 15, 2009, 02:43:25 PM
Is that video going to be free, or will you have to pay for it?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 15, 2009, 03:21:41 PM
Last year the semifinals were free -- I remember watching Ursinus play Amherst.  But I don't think the championship game is on free video.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 15, 2009, 04:00:27 PM
Washington U has to be a huge favorite.  They have tourney experience and return much of last year's championship team.  Really a team of smart and good players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 15, 2009, 04:31:55 PM
Well this year, the finals are going to be on a real TV, CBSCollegeSports.  Wow I hope F&M gets to play in that game and win in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 15, 2009, 04:36:09 PM
If you have access to Direct TV, the Championship game is on one of the sports channels - not a pay per view....   someone else just posted that as I was writing.

What is an estimate for F&M fans travelling down to Salem?  lots of student support?   Wondering what kind of crowds to expect....   Wash U last year travelled better than I expected - maybe 400 - ....  Guilford is just 100 miles away, but has averaged only about 450/game at home.... Richard Stockton will likely be very light.....

Wash U Richard Stockton is the finals matchup that people will predict, BUT, it is the final FOUR   ...   have a great time down in Salem.....   and GO if you can - it's the best time you could have....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 15, 2009, 04:54:59 PM
I expect a large adult following for F&M.  In the past, F&M had a decent fan base at the Final Four.  As for the students, I don't know since they are on break scattered around the country.
I would think 400-500 fans should be possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 15, 2009, 05:41:17 PM
The Championship game has been on TV for as long as I can remember (and this will be my 9th Final Four). Though, I would argue that CBS College Sports Network (formerly CSTV) is NOT real TV. You can only get it if you pay for those higher-tiers of coverage (though, I don't know about DirecTV).

The semifinals and consolation game are always shown free on the internet... D3hoops.com will provide the audio for that video. D3hoops.com will also have the audio on the internet for the championship game. All broadcasts are thanks to NCAA.com.

Details to come on crews and such.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
I think 1999 was the last one not on TV, and that was a one-year hiatus. Fox Sports South had it, then CNN/SI, then CSTV and now CBS College Sports (which is really just CSTV rebranded).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 16, 2009, 04:27:26 PM
I don't know how many rooms La Quinta hotel has set aside for F&M fans, but people waiting in line to buy tickets today at F&M said when they called they were told all rooms were booked.
Hopefully, that's a good sign.  Also, the tickets are $25 for the package deal not $20 as the web site indicated.  At 1:00, there were about 10 in line or getting in line for tickets.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2009, 08:35:22 PM
According to a post on the Final Four board, F&M is first unranked team to make it to Salem since the D3hoops Top 25 began.

The Dips haven't played away from Mayser in several weeks, and I wonder how the team will react to playing a very good team away from the friendly confines.  I hope they're not wide-eyed when they step onto the big stage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 17, 2009, 05:59:55 PM
The CC is well represented on the D3hoops.com All-Region Team (http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/09/matlmen.htm):

Player of the Year: Andrew Powers, C, Gettysburg
Coach of the Year: Glenn Robinson, Franklin and Marshall
Rookie of the Year: Georgio Milligan, G, Franklin and Marshall

F&M's James McNally joins Powers on the first team, while UC's John Noonan makes the second team.  Congrats to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 17, 2009, 10:32:05 PM
Congrats to all the very deserving players honored.

I saw Dips season stat sheet & one of the most curious but illuminating leaders for the team was the freshman point guard Milligan leading the team in blocked shots ahead of A 6'6" & two 6'7" players with 27.

I wonder if McNally might be in line for D3Hoops All-American honors because he's on the Mid-Altlantic All-Region Team. I would image he would be lucky if he made the 4th team or HM.

I think Powers could make 2nd team because he was the region POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 18, 2009, 11:15:45 PM
Just saw this on F&M's hoops page -- a report from Virginia!

"Dontae Johnson's NCAA Experience"
(http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/NCAAtourney/NCAAblog/DJNCAAblog)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on March 19, 2009, 05:13:50 PM
Good Luck F & M!! :-X 

Just curious as to how Gettysburg was able to beat you guys three times this year??  Your squad has certainly overachieved this year--  9 frosh, 4 sophs!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 19, 2009, 05:28:09 PM
Just bad match ups with Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 19, 2009, 07:38:06 PM
I can't speak for the first two games against Gettysburg, but I did catch the 3rd one online.

F&M SHOULD have won that game, but lost for several reasons--poor clutch free throw shooting, poor shot selction, the inability to hit an outside shot that day, and most important, because this Gettysburg guard caught fire from behind the 3 point arc.  The guy just didn't seem to miss.  It was a hell of a show, and the fact is, when one team scores 3 and the other scores 2, eventually, there will be a gap.

If that guy shot NORMALLY, F&M wins that game.  You have to just tip your hat there, and be grateful that F&M is in the Final Four.

That said, now that they are there, let's hope they overachieve two more times and take home the title.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on March 19, 2009, 07:47:54 PM
Thanks, guys!!  There always seems to be one team each year that is tough to put away, regardless of records!! 

Stockton is nursing some injuries and has lost two guys since the first of the year, but they will be ready to play tomorrow night!!  I hope they are ready for the big stage and again Good Luck in the NCAA National Semifinals of D3 basketball!!

Boy, that sounds good!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 20, 2009, 01:53:03 AM
Here is a link to a nice overview on the current & past Dip teams plus some history. It is from the Lancaster newspaper website.

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/18/235229
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 20, 2009, 08:03:53 AM
9 more hours until the D3 tournament starts
Waiting for my ride
Hopefully, F&M can take advantage of its opportunity.
Sounds like it should be an interesting match up.
Go DIPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 20, 2009, 02:50:25 PM
All the very best to F&M this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on March 20, 2009, 07:23:22 PM
Congrats to all selected to the All Regional team.

It is also good to see F & M in the final four and the best of luck to them and all the fans.

For 2 years in a row the Centennial Conference has put a team into the Semifinal. Great to see it and maybe the conference can start a trend.

Sorry I could not get to do any pic's but still laid up. Hate therapy it just wears me out.

Again good luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: stamolpid on March 20, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
Almost.   :(
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 21, 2009, 08:02:02 AM
Congratulations to the Diplomats for a great year!  Last night's game was one they could have won but Stockton is tenacious.  Unfortunately for Stockton,  they play Wash U tonight and, in my view, have little chance.  But, I thought Amherst would beat them last year and they were destroyed.

If you want a treat today, just watch Tyler Nading from Wash U.  You have to focus on #21 just to appreciate how good he is.  He does it all---he defends, he rebounds and boxes out, he sets screens----really good screens.  He is like a coach on the floor.   I believe he is an engineering major with a very high GPA.  He certainly has a very high basketball IQ.  Also, Coach Mark Edwards is one of the best.  This will be a difficult combination for Stockton to overcome.  Overall a fun season even if it was disappointing for my team.  On to next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 21, 2009, 10:35:05 PM
Just got home.
Double disappointment :-[ :-[
But a great season for a team picked to finish 5th in their league.
Getting ready for next year.
Go DIPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 22, 2009, 09:49:03 AM
Very disappointed on how they played in Salem.  If they could just make some layups and points over turnovers, they easily would have beaten Stockton.  Frustrating to watch.  But that said, anytime you get to Salem, it's a great season.  I just wish they could win one game there.  Next year will likely be a tougher road to Salem, but they should also be a better team.  I heard they will have a decent outside shooter coming in as a freshman, and they desperately need that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 22, 2009, 05:06:34 PM
The Stockton team I saw against Wash U was far better than the Stockton team that showed up against F&M.  Stockton played a good game against a superior Wash U team and they played a horrible game against F&M.  It looked like they all had their first game jitters.

How about Tyler Nading!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 22, 2009, 06:00:11 PM
Congratulations to Glenn Robinson D3 Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 22, 2009, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 22, 2009, 05:06:34 PM
The Stockton team I saw against Wash U was far better than the Stockton team that showed up against F&M.  Stockton played a good game against a superior Wash U team and they played a horrible game against F&M.  It looked like they all had their first game jitters.

How about Tyler Nading!

That certainly wasn't how I saw things, so I'm curious what specifically you mean.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 22, 2009, 11:24:37 PM
Congrats to the Dips on an incredible season. I wondered over the past 3 seasons if we'd ever see playoff caliber basketball in Mayser Gym again, so this goes down in my books as the most surprising year I've ever seen.

Best of luck to Dan Selig, whose energy and clutch play will be hard to replace. If Clay Scovill has played his last college game, he should be proud of gutting out the ankle injury that hampered him over the last few weeks, not to mention his leadership and steady play.

It's hard to see the Dips lose in Salem for the third time (great venue, bad memories -- I'd rather watch them play in North Dakota than the Salem Civic Center). The difference with this Final Four team is that most of the core remains intact. But there are no guarantees that they'll get back to Virginia, and I was really hoping they'd keep surprising us. Congrats to Glenn Robinson on the national Coach of the Year award, to his staff, and the entire team for a memorable run.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 23, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
DITTO
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 23, 2009, 05:12:50 PM
An article in today's Intell talks about where F&M goes from here. No more flying under the radar:

Diplomats' underdog days are over (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/235406)

F&M should be favored in the CC next year, but I also think Ursinus will be back in the mix with Hilton's return.  I'm not sure Gettysburg will fall off as much as people expect. Muhlenberg returns a lot of size, and it will be interesting to see how the players adjust to a new coach. The season can't get here soon enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 24, 2009, 10:41:38 AM
Quote from: fritzdis on March 22, 2009, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 22, 2009, 05:06:34 PM
The Stockton team I saw against Wash U was far better than the Stockton team that showed up against F&M.  Stockton played a good game against a superior Wash U team and they played a horrible game against F&M.  It looked like they all had their first game jitters.

How about Tyler Nading!

That certainly wasn't how I saw things, so I'm curious what specifically you mean.

fritzdis,

You are right, after reviewing the stats, Stockton shot very poorly in both games, 38.7% against F&M and 31.7% against Wash U.  The telling stat was their 3 point shooting---14.3% against F&M and 21.4% against Wash U---this from a team that lives by the 3 and shot almost 35% during the year.  Their 3 point shooters, Lancioni and Hubbard shot a combines 5 for 41 in the two games.  The good defenses probably had something to do with that.

I still don't understand why Tyler Nading doesn't get more recognition.  He is the best "team" player I saw this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 24, 2009, 11:59:34 AM
Has anyone heard any major recruiting successes yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 26, 2009, 07:32:02 PM
New article about F&M's season.

http://thediplomat.fandm.edu/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentennialGuru on March 31, 2009, 12:32:19 AM
Just joined these boards... I'm looking forward to joining the F&M online community.

Go Dips!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2009, 11:06:56 AM
Welcome aboard. We need more Centennial posters from all schools!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 10, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
Congratulations to the 18 mens basketball players who were recognized by being on the 2009 Centennial Conference Winter Academic Honor Roll.  To qualify they need to participate in at least 50 percent of the contests, be a sophomore or higher and have a GPA of 3.4 or higher.  Quite an accomplishment when balancing academics and other activities.  The breakdown by school:

Haverford           5
Ursinus               4
Gettysburg         3
Swat                  2
Dickinson           1
F&M                   1
JHU                    1
Wash                 1
Muhlenberg        0
McDaniel            0
Total                 18

Three of the players received all conference recognition----Noonan, Capkin and Rosnick.  Well done to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on April 17, 2009, 12:27:15 PM


It is nice to see that Mike Rhoades is moving up from Division III to an assistant coach at a Division I program. His departure will be a big loss to the RMC program. He is one of those rare individuals who truly shows that you can successfully balance competitiveness and success and still be a class act!

When Mike played at Lebanon Valley, he was one of those great players that opponents loved to hate, but who opponents and their fans ultimately respected for his abilities and drive. This assessment comes from a long-time F&M fan who saw Mike's Flying Dutchmen squad beat is beloved Diplomats several times both in Lancaster and Annville.

Both congratulations and condolences are certainly due to Mike after what I am sure has been a very tough year with the early loss of his father Pennsylvania State Senator James Rhoades in a tragic automobile accident!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on May 03, 2009, 09:00:45 AM
Muhlenberg hired Scott McClary as it's head coach. He is an alum who spent the last 5 years as head coach at Marymount. He was named conference coach of the year this season. Welcome back to the 'berg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on May 22, 2009, 07:49:07 PM
That could change the make up of how the run the play's. He ran a very good O at Marymount.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on June 09, 2009, 06:14:49 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3136

Looks like Coach Small has done an excellent job of dealing with the post problems Ursinus had last year.  The Bears will have five players 6'7" or taller on their roster.  Now, Bears fans hope they can play.  All three recruits are excellent additions.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Coach K on June 21, 2009, 10:18:36 AM
Coach McClary knows the game and will have Muhlenberg in the mix for a conference title next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on June 22, 2009, 03:42:51 PM
What is going on at Dickinson?  I heard that Csensits has accepted an assistant coaching position with DeSales.  Is this true?  This is not even a lateral move.....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on June 23, 2009, 08:43:15 PM
Nice article on Ursinus. Any other updates on how the recruiting went for everyone else in the conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 01, 2009, 01:18:44 PM
Swat Dad,

I don't know anything about any of the other teams.  Nice article on the Centennial Conference home page about Jon Ward, one of Ursinus' recruits.  The article is about his experiences with D1 recruiters.

Jon Ward, together with Kevin Janowski and Matt Donahue should all be major contributors to what looks to be a very good Ursinus basketball team for 2009-2010.  They will have a nice blend of experience with Hilton, Cousart, Page, Howell and the rising sophomores with these freshmen.  Clearly their post play will be better and they are always good at sniping from the outside.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on July 07, 2009, 08:25:31 AM
alan seretti new dickinson coach...what do think about this hire
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on July 07, 2009, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on June 22, 2009, 03:42:51 PM
What is going on at Dickinson?  I heard that Csensits has accepted an assistant coaching position with DeSales.  Is this true?  This is not even a lateral move.....
I guess it is true but what seems kind of strange is that there was never any official press release from Dickinson that Csensits even resigned, but today there is one announcing the hiring Seretti but again NO MENTION at all on Csensits or where he went. Very wierd.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 08, 2009, 11:58:16 AM
Incomplete releases are the bane of my existence. I always make sure to go back and fill in the missing key pieces if we choose to run one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on July 08, 2009, 01:34:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 08, 2009, 11:58:16 AM
Incomplete releases are the bane of my existence. I always make sure to go back and fill in the missing key pieces if we choose to run one of them.
Pat, As a member of the media, did you see ANY official press release from Dickinson stating Coach Csensits resigned. I checked their athletic website and only saw the one naming a new coach, but nothing on the old coach on when he resigned or where he went???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 09, 2009, 02:22:17 PM
BT Express:

I pieced together a story for our site last night and could find no record of why Csensits left Dickinson.  

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/07/08/dickinson-names-new-men%E2%80%99s-coach.html

To be fair, I didn't reach out to Dickinson yet, though.  I'll do that this afternoon.  I also sent a question to DeSales since that's where Csensits is rumored to have landed.  This is a good time for overworked SIDs to take vacation, so I may not hear back immediately.  I wanted to get something posted in the interim because Seretti's success at Penn State-Altoona makes this hiring an interesting (and in my view good) one for the Red Devils.

UPDATE:  Dickinson responded very quickly to my question.  Csensits left to accept a development position at his alma mater, DeSales.  Dickinson will update its release and I'll do the same on our story.  Nothing secretive, just an oversight in the release.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on July 09, 2009, 11:45:03 PM
Nothing against coach Seretti, but he does not have a winning record from PSU Altoona.  He does have head coaching experience which is a plus.  Coach Csensits was a division I assistant with no head coaching experience, so that is an upgrade.  However, Dickinson is a great athletic institution.  Why cant they win?  They won the Centennial conference championship and had their last NCAA tournament appearance back in 1997.  You mean to tell me this is the best coaching candidate that applied?  I really have to wander about Dickinsons administration.  What their thought process is and do they really care about their basketball program like Fand M, Johns Hopkins, Ursinus and Gettysburg does. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on July 10, 2009, 10:32:51 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 09, 2009, 02:22:17 PM
BT Express:

I pieced together a story for our site last night and could find no record of why Csensits left Dickinson.  

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/07/08/dickinson-names-new-men%E2%80%99s-coach.html

To be fair, I didn't reach out to Dickinson yet, though.  I'll do that this afternoon.  I also sent a question to DeSales since that's where Csensits is rumored to have landed.  This is a good time for overworked SIDs to take vacation, so I may not hear back immediately.  I wanted to get something posted in the interim because Seretti's success at Penn State-Altoona makes this hiring an interesting (and in my view good) one for the Red Devils.

UPDATE:  Dickinson responded very quickly to my question.  Csensits left to accept a development position at his alma mater, DeSales.  Dickinson will update its release and I'll do the same on our story.  Nothing secretive, just an oversight in the release.
Thanks for the clarification, Maybe it is Dickinson's SID's method, just saw another press release where they hired a new Women's Lacrosse coach and again, no press release or mention of the old coach leaving as well. I am also not sure about this new hire, PSU Altoona is not the Centennial conference. Look at Muhlenburg's new BB coach and his resume compared to Dickinson's hire???? Time will tell. Dickinson is competative in most sports just not Men's BB for some reason.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 10, 2009, 08:10:55 PM
Fair points and I'm not sure what sure what the other applicants look like.  But I like the Seretti hire for two reasons:

  1 - Seretti won at a place where no one else had.  If you look at Penn State-Altoona's record pre-Seretti, it's atrocious.  He brought them above .500 in a region where there is a lot of competition for students looking for an education at small public schools.

  2 - Based on my limited reading of his profile, Seretti likes to recruit and was able to get kids outside the region to come to Washington & Jefferson during his days there.  With Dickinson's academic reputation, I like his chances to do the same and bring some hidden gems to Carlisle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on July 14, 2009, 07:01:17 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans

Here is a News Flash from Lancaster! The Diplomats have finally posted the Men's BB schedule on the College's website. All teams have apparently not been confirmed as participants in the various tournaments are not yet listed. However, it is a start. See the link below:

//http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/schedule

Enjoy the summer! See you in the Fall. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centennialfan2 on July 16, 2009, 06:19:35 PM
Whose the top 3 in the centennial this year as of now? And who are the premier players at each position/possible early all league favorites? obviously, powers is still around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on July 17, 2009, 08:33:21 AM
I think the top of the centennial is going to be a battle between the following teams, with F&M the front runner-Muhlenberg, McDaniel, Ursinus.  Hopkins and Gettysburg will be in the mix as well.

Powers has to be the POY favorite again, but will see how he does with the loss of 4 starters and key seniors from a year ago. 

Top upperclassmen in the league:
    Powers (Getty), Cousart and Hilton (Ursinus), Barnes (Muhles), McNally and Baker(F&M), Jones and Henry (McDaniel)

Top underclassmen in the league:
    Milligan (F&M), Liddic (Muhles), Sarris-Grau (McDaniel), Breslin (Washington)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 18, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
I would agree with d3hoopsfan with the following comments:

1. At the end, I believe it will be a battle between F&M and Ursinus.  Muhlenberg will contend in third place.

2.  Add Matt Hilton to the POY contenders, he would have been in the mix last year but for the foot injury.  Powers, Hilton and Milligan are contenders.

3.  Add Kevin Janowski to the top underclassmen list.  Only a freshman and hasn't played a game for the Bears as yet---however, at 6'8" and 230 he will have the Andrew Powers kind of impact.  He will be a POY contender before he graduates.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on July 22, 2009, 03:32:31 PM
F&M's freshmen class looks interesting on paper, but as a local paper said,
"Given the nature of Division III recruiting — you only know they're coming for sure when they show up at school in August — and the difficulty of predicting any class's eventual impact on a program."  Now we just have to see if they show up.
Looking forward to August.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on July 23, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Reserved Seat,

Do you have a link to that article?  I'd like to check out F&M's incoming freshman class-Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 17, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
F&M's new recruits were released today.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/news/classof2013
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 20, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on August 17, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
F&M's new recruits were released today.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/news/classof2013

Wow!  Fourteen returnees and six new recruits.  How in the world do they keep a team of twenty players happy regarding playing time.  Fifteen is tough enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 20, 2009, 05:24:21 PM
I assume some of the 14 returning players won't come out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on August 25, 2009, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on July 18, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
At the end, I believe it will be a battle between F&M and Ursinus.  Muhlenberg will contend in third place.

UC should be much improved with Hilton back. The schedule gives us an early gem with F&M-Ursinus on Dec. 2.  I wonder how much the freshmen will play for the Dips and Bears -- on paper, both schools reeled in very good players. At F&M, there could be a real battle for the wing spot vacated by Scovill (Johnson, Beckford, Valencia, among others).

What teams might surprise? Maybe Gettysburg won't drop off as much as people think...Muhlenberg and McDaniel will also be right there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on September 26, 2009, 06:01:27 PM
Very quiet on here, any news?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on September 30, 2009, 04:57:49 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on September 26, 2009, 06:01:27 PM
Very quiet on here, any news?

Two weeks until the first practice---albeit without balls for the first week---for some strange reason
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 02, 2009, 12:54:08 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on August 25, 2009, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on July 18, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
At the end, I believe it will be a battle between F&M and Ursinus.  Muhlenberg will contend in third place.

  I wonder how much the freshmen will play for the Dips and Bears

My guess is that F&M's frosh will not play much this year in tough conference games because they have (potentially) 14 returnees including four starters.  On the other hand, look for UC's three freshman to be in the rotation from the beginning.   They were weak in the front court last year but Ward and Janowski will be improvements---we hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 04, 2009, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on September 30, 2009, 04:57:49 PM

Two weeks until the first practice---albeit without balls for the first week---for some strange reason

Tis strange, but I am sure NCAA has thier reasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 05, 2009, 11:27:42 AM
Quote from: old ends on October 04, 2009, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on September 30, 2009, 04:57:49 PM

Two weeks until the first practice---albeit without balls for the first week---for some strange reason

Tis strange, but I am sure NCAA has thier reasons.

It is a Centennial Conference rule.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 05, 2009, 06:58:52 PM
They really can't use balls the first week? Is that true? What in the world is the reason for that?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: kate on October 05, 2009, 08:52:32 PM
Swat Dad, just a guess here, but my husband always said "You need a little bit of brains to play this game", so the coaches might just want to see some "educated" moves, particularly from their new players.  Just a guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 06, 2009, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on October 05, 2009, 06:58:52 PM
They really can't use balls the first week? Is that true? What in the world is the reason for that?

It is true.  I was told that the rule was put in at the behest of the college presidents to reinforce the fact that academics come before sports in the Centennial Conference.  How that rule does that is beyond me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on October 06, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
Wow.  My first post.  I once heard the "no balls in the first week" rule originated as a compromise.  When the NCAA rule moved the basketball start date to October 15 the Centennial Conference initially wanted to opt out and keep the original later date.  Coaches were concerned the conference would fall behind others in the division and the compromise allowed conditioning practices only.  Don't know if its accurate but heard that version from Bob Flynn when I asked him "why?".
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 08, 2009, 11:00:31 PM
Big target on F&M
Sporting News ranks them 4th in pre-season poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 09, 2009, 08:48:05 AM
It will be nice for the Coaches to go over plays and defense without someone dribbling or just dropping a ball. Most distracting for a Coach when he his talking.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 11, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
If it is true then it is news to freshmen players. You should have seen their faces when I mentioned it to them. Their reply was, "Yeh right." Kinda funny.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on October 12, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
This is a perplexing rule to say the least. The kids are still in the gym, not in their rooms studying. If this is an academic statement, it's one that is very difficult to understand. If anything, coaches will be forced to resort to conditioning drills that likely will leave the players more tired when they do return to their dorms. It obviously made sense to those who made the rule but it's difficult for me to see how this "helps" the players
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 16, 2009, 11:23:18 AM


Well folks - the fun officially begins at midnight tonight. I can hardly wait for the season to begin in just over a month. Does any one have any news on recruiting classes, returnees, injuries, no-returnees? Let's get this room buzzing!

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 17, 2009, 08:01:10 PM
Someone will have to run the picks this year... Still rehabing and staying in FL until May.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mcdanielsid on October 19, 2009, 11:07:52 PM
To clarify all of the confusion over the "conditioning week":

- The NCAA rule for Division III was always practice could start on Oct. 15 (same date as D1 and D2) but the first week was termed "conditioning week", meaning no basketball-related activities could take place.
- The NCAA changed this rule a few years back (they all run together for me, maybe '04, '05, '06) allowing all three divisions to start full basketball practices on Oct. 15 - realizing how dumb the rule was. Those making the decisions on the national level determined (after listening to the coaches) that the players are in the gym for two hours any way, might as well just let them have the ball.
- It was just after the huge push for reform (that the CC was a large part of), so the CC Presidents determined that the conference would still continue by the old rules thus not allowing "basketball-related activities" during the first week.

To clarify someone's post, the intent of the rule was not just to not have a ball. Coaches cannot teach or any other "basketball-related activities" during that week. It is intended strictly for conditioning.

The coaches have continued to push for a "level playing field" with the rest of the country but to no avail. The presidents did concede on the other end and allow for a competition sdate in line with the rest of the country (Nov. 15) but have continued to hold firm on the week of conditioning.

Thus, the first day of "real" practice is actually Thursday for the CC. Hope that helps the confusion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 20, 2009, 07:27:08 PM
Thanks for the information and clearing it all up.

So now the Conference wants to run the players, so they become to tired to study.
Just being a little screw turner.

Again thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on October 21, 2009, 12:44:57 AM
The Centennial does pride itself on being an academic conference (despite being a little top-heavy, it is probably the second or third best conference in D3 academically- behind the NESCAC and probably the UAA as well). At least the Centennial has not adopted the NESCAC rule. It is impressive that NESCAC teams do as well as they do in non-conference play given that coach-led practices do not begin until November.

What have people heard about the freshmen classes? I have heard a few schools recruited a bunch of people (F&M and McDaniel) but those programs have brought in large classes in the last few years as well (and may over-recruit a bit). The Ursinus class, although small, looks pretty impressive on paper.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on October 21, 2009, 02:38:23 PM
Not surprisingly F&M is ranked #6 in the D3hoops preseason poll and the rest of the conference failed to get a vote. I actually thought they may be a few spots higher. Does anyone know when the SID/Coaches preseason poll for the CC will be up?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 23, 2009, 04:24:11 PM
What have people heard about the freshmen classes? I have heard a few schools recruited a bunch of people (F&M and McDaniel) but those programs have brought in large classes in the last few years as well (and may over-recruit a bit). The Ursinus class, although small, looks pretty impressive on paper.

ddm,

Coaches have different philosophies regarding recruiting and squad size.  Many coaches like large squads, you mentioned F&M and McDaniel.  Ursinus prefers a small squad, in the 12 to 13 range.  Coach Small does not recruit any player unless he thinks they will contribute significantly in game situations by the time they are juniors.  He prefers to bring in 3 or 4 players per year.  Ursinus' three recruits look good on paper, but the jury is still out on whether or not they can play.  I am betting they are better than your typical DIII freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on October 24, 2009, 12:18:27 AM
You can't maintain even a large squad bringing in 8 or 9 recruited kids a year though. You have to assume a pretty high rate of attrition in a program like that. I don't think it is necessarily wrong to recruit a high number but I think some of the recruits are often surprised by how many people were brought in (this is the case at McDaniel this year and at F&M in the past). The coaches tend not to mention all the other guys they are looking at. Luckily, most of the CC programs seem to favor the middle-ground. Hopefully this year is just Curley replacing a large senior class and getting his first big group together. The more elite academic schools in the conference (Haverford, Swat, JHU) also couldn't recruit large numbers of players in a given year if they wanted to (they only have a certain amount of admissions pull and are very lucky to get 5-6).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on October 24, 2009, 12:34:00 AM
Are many CC guys from the 2000s getting into coaching? I have listed the ones I know, including at least three who are D1 assistants:
Jimmy Martelli from Dickinson is the #2 or 3 assistant at Robert Morris.
Josh Loeffler from Swarthmore is the top assistant at Lafayette.
Chris Prior from McDaniel stayed there.
The Ursinus trio of assistants has stayed there.
Eran Ganot of Swarthmore is the #3 assistant at Hawaii.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 25, 2009, 08:19:49 PM
Nice story about a former Ursinus player
http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=353&srcid=1038 (http://www.ursinus.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=353&srcid=1038)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 26, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
Well it now just around the corner;

Friday, November 20
Hobart      at Dickinson
Keystone  at Ursinus
Haverford  vs. Kenyon
Washington at Hood
Stevenson  at Johns Hopkins
New York City Tech at F&M
St. Mary's   at McDaniel
Oneonta    at Muhlenberg
Middlebury at Swarthmore

Saturday, November 21
Dickinson Tip-Off
Swarthmore    vs. Kenyon
Middlebury      at Haverford
F&M Rotary Tip-Off
Gettysburg Tip-Off
Pride of Maryland Tournament
Scotty Wood Tournament
Hamilton Tip-Off

Sunday, November 22
Pride of Maryland Tournament

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 26, 2009, 07:31:02 PM
Just checking out the Conference site and noticed that most teams  have not updated rosters.

I see Dickinson has a new coach and wish him sucess.
http://dickinson.edu/sports/article.cfm?articleIndex=1621 (http://dickinson.edu/sports/article.cfm?articleIndex=1621)

Does anyone have any idea (hopefully not the day before) rosters will be released.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 27, 2009, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: old ends on October 26, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
Well it now just around the corner;

Friday, November 20
Hobart      at Dickinson
Keystone  at Ursinus
Haverford  vs. Kenyon
Washington at Hood
Stevenson  at Johns Hopkins
New York City Tech at F&M
St. Mary's   at McDaniel
Oneonta    at Muhlenberg


One small correction.  Keystone and Ursinus meet at Hamilton, not at Ursinus.
Middlebury at Swarthmore

Saturday, November 21
Dickinson Tip-Off
Swarthmore    vs. Kenyon
Middlebury      at Haverford
F&M Rotary Tip-Off
Gettysburg Tip-Off
Pride of Maryland Tournament
Scotty Wood Tournament
Hamilton Tip-Off

Sunday, November 22
Pride of Maryland Tournament


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 27, 2009, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: old ends on October 26, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
Well it now just around the corner;

Friday, November 20
Hobart      at Dickinson
Keystone  at Ursinus
Haverford  vs. Kenyon
Washington at Hood
Stevenson  at Johns Hopkins
New York City Tech at F&M
St. Mary's   at McDaniel
Oneonta    at Muhlenberg
Middlebury at Swarthmore

Saturday, November 21
Dickinson Tip-Off
Swarthmore    vs. Kenyon
Middlebury      at Haverford
F&M Rotary Tip-Off
Gettysburg Tip-Off
Pride of Maryland Tournament
Scotty Wood Tournament
Hamilton Tip-Off

Sunday, November 22
Pride of Maryland Tournament



One small correction to this.  Ursinus and Keystone meet at the Hamilton Tip Off, not at Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 2twotoed on October 27, 2009, 05:34:05 PM
I was curious if anyone knew anything about the freshmen recruits at Washington College. They recruited a point guard from Virginia and I was interested in how he was doing. They never seem to get much attention on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 27, 2009, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 27, 2009, 11:17:22 AM

One small correction to this.  Ursinus and Keystone meet at the Hamilton Tip Off, not at Ursinus.

The information I posted came straight from the Conference home page. Let Mr. Steve know also.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on October 31, 2009, 12:15:00 PM
Swarthmore also looks like it has a fairly large and deep incoming class:
6-0 guard Sean Conroe (Santa Cruz, Calif.) averaged 12 ppg., 5 apg., and was named second team all-league. 6-5 forward Will Gates (Wilseyville, N.Y.) averaged over 26 ppg. and was named second team all-state. 5-11 guard Jordan Martinez (Oakdale, N.Y.) averaged 12 ppg. and 7 apg. and was named all-tourney in the prestigious Sleepy Thompson Tourney. Eugene Prymak (Middletown, Pa.), a 6-6 post presence, averaged 11 ppg. and 6 rpg. and was named a conference all-star. 6-6 post Ramsey Walker (Kuttawa, Ky.) averaged 19ppg. and 9 rpg. as a senior and was twice named All-Region.

This is a feature about Will Gates, who from the short clips here looked ready to play in the CC as a high school senior: http://www.wbng.com/sports/academicallstars/37249984.html?video=YHI&t=a

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 01, 2009, 07:35:45 AM
We are hoping for better times at Swarthmore this year! I can't wait for the season to start. Those were nice comments about Swarthmore, thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: lizalan07 on November 02, 2009, 10:06:20 PM
Checking out the Hopkins roster for this season, besides the 4 seniors that graduated, it appears that two other players won't be back. One a senior and the other a junior. This has got to hurt. Although, I believe that the Blue Jays can put a good starting five out on the court, the bench will be lacking. They will have 7 new freshmen, (4 listed as guards and 3 as forwards) on the team this year. Hope these freshmen can fit in early into the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 03, 2009, 07:46:21 PM
good luck to swarthmore.i hope they do better than last year...i felt bad for the players last year.
they lost their best player but have a bunch of new kids. maybe they will get a few wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 03, 2009, 09:29:33 PM
F&M's new roster posted today.  A lot of changes for a team that had only one senior last year.
Six freshmen are listed on the roster including two 6'8" freshmen.  From the looks of things, F&M should be as talented as last year with more height off the bench.  Repeating last year's accomplishments will be difficult, but should be possible.  It sound like several teams have also made significant improvements.  It will be interesting to see how the year turns out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 04, 2009, 12:54:17 AM
F&M seems to have a young team almost every year.  They have only one senior again this season. They have struggled with players leaving, especially given the relative strength of the program over time. I guess if you are not playing a lot, G-Rob would probably be a lot to handle.
This season should be a good one in the CC, although I think the league as a whole is a bit down this year. I think games will be closer this year than in most years so road wins will be big. Does anyone know when the SID/coach preseason poll comes out? Outside of F&M, it seems hard to predict. Powers should be enough to keep GC in the picture. McDaniel returns some solid talent as does Ursinus, so they should be in the playoff hunt. I think Haverford could be down after losing some quality players but I think Mucci probably does more with the talent he has than any coach in the conference. JHU returns most of their key players as well and Swarthmore has 4 of 5 starters from last year. New coaches always make things interesting as well. Should be a good season although I'm not envisioning sending two teams to the tourney this year (unless F&M has a strong record and is upset in the CC tourney).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 06, 2009, 12:43:02 AM
F&M seems pretty loaded this year and alot of the players have played together in high school (a don bosco reunion). Ursinus also seems strong, with Muhlenberg following. The rest seems up for grabs with surprises bound to happen throughout the conference. F&M seems to be way ahead of all other teams with Ursinus maybe the only team even in the vicinity. There are at least 5 teams whose seasons are very hard to predict. I am looking forward to the action.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 07, 2009, 12:07:52 AM
Do people really see Ursinus being a threat to win the conference this year? They had a losing season in conference and overall last year and lost their best player in addition to another double figures scorer. I think they'll contend for the playoffs and probably make them (having Hilton healthy all season will help) but as good a coach as I think Small is, it is likely wishful thinking for nearly as many people to pick them in the poll to win this year as F&M.
Also, is there any indication of why so many Don Bosco guys are going to F&M? That high school is a force athletically (it actually has one of SI's top high school athletic departments) and it is a bit surprising for a guy like Milligan (who was a 1000 point scorer there) to go D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 07, 2009, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: ddm1027 on November 07, 2009, 12:07:52 AM
Do people really see Ursinus being a threat to win the conference this year?

I think the backcourt of Hilton and Cousart will keep Ursinus in the mix. Maybe they won't win the regular season title, but I could see them giving F&M some trouble if the threes are dropping, and if Janowski is as good as advertised.

Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 03, 2009, 09:29:33 PM
F&M's new roster posted today.  A lot of changes for a team that had only one senior last year.
Six freshmen are listed on the roster including two 6'8" freshmen.  From the looks of things, F&M should be as talented as last year with more height off the bench.  Repeating last year's accomplishments will be difficult, but should be possible.  It sound like several teams have also made significant improvements.  It will be interesting to see how the year turns out.

Reserved-

Have you heard if either of the 6-8 freshmen can play? If they get contributions from one of them, and either Beckford or Valencia turn out to be good, they should have a solid eight- or nine-man rotation.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 07, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
Beckford will likely contribute. From what I have heard he is a big, athletic guard who had a leg injury keep him out of some games as a senior. He won't have the impact Milligan did, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the rotation quickly.

I will be interested to see Gyokchyan play. He did a post-grad year, so physically he should be ready to play. Additionally, he has experience playing with Lebanon's U-18 team.

I wish F&M's schedule was a little stronger outside of the CC so we could see earlier on how they stack up. They should swap with Haverford who could have a tough time playing D1 Elon and Middlebury and Catholic, who are just outside the D3 top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 07, 2009, 02:49:39 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on November 07, 2009, 12:07:52 AM
Do people really see Ursinus being a threat to win the conference this year? They had a losing season in conference and overall last year and lost their best player in addition to another double figures scorer. I think they'll contend for the playoffs and probably make them (having Hilton healthy all season will help) but as good a coach as I think Small is, it is likely wishful thinking for nearly as many people to pick them in the poll to win this year as F&M.
Also, is there any indication of why so many Don Bosco guys are going to F&M? That high school is a force athletically (it actually has one of SI's top high school athletic departments) and it is a bit surprising for a guy like Milligan (who was a 1000 point scorer there) to go D3.
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ddm1027,

We shall see how good the Bears are at the Hamilton tournament on Nov 20-21.  They open against a good Keystone College team and, hopefully, will play a very good Hamilton team for the title.  Coach Small does not like easy non conference opponents and seems to prefer to play on the road to toughen  the team up for the conference schedule.

Ursinus will be a contender this year, make no mistake about it.  Last year was an aberration for the Bears.  First---their top recruit did not make the admissions cut even though he was accepted by both Brandeis and John Carroll.  He was the post player they needed.  Then they lost two starters to injuries during the preseason---Matt Hilton and Matt Howell.  Howell did play some games but was not effective because and could not practice after December.  His injury turned out to be a micro fracture of the knee cap, I believe.  He had surgery in June and may not play until late in the season, if at all.  He is not listed on their roster.  I think you referred to John Noonan as their best player last year.  He was good offensively, but Matt Hilton was their best player and will be again this year and next year.

Ursinus has an excellent nucleus returning this year in Cousart, Hilton, Page and McGarvey together with sophomores Walther, Rapczynski, Meindl and Niewiadomski.    I understand that the three freshmen are the real deal.  The two bigs, Janowski and Ward will likely start and guard Donahue will be in the rotation.
With only a 12 man roster, look for all to play in the preseason to see who will emerge as the top 8 or 9.  Look for them to be in the hunt all season long.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 08, 2009, 08:45:03 AM
Quote from: ddm1027 on November 07, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
I wish F&M's schedule was a little stronger outside of the CC so we could see earlier on how they stack up. They should swap with Haverford who could have a tough time playing D1 Elon and Middlebury and Catholic, who are just outside the D3 top 25.

I agree. Since the CC went to a double round robin—limiting non-conference games to seven— I've been thinking that F&M should beef up its schedule by dropping one of its two home tournaments and traveling to a difficult tournament (like the Dips did on occasion in the past when they had more non-conference games).

But since that probably won't happen, they should dedicate the other three games to playing very strong teams on the road. Maybe one team each from the ODAC, NJAC and NESCAC. The CC does an excellent job preparing its best teams for postseason play, but I do think F&M could benefit from a better non-conference slate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 08, 2009, 05:06:42 PM
r.w. mcnickels,
From what I hear, Hayk has a game similar to McNally's.  The players seem to be very high on his play.
Henry, the other 6'8" player, has the reputation of being very athletic but probably a year away.
I might be able to get a better impression after tonight's intra-squad scrimmage.

Gabriel,
I agree with your comments.  Last year was a bad fluke.  I expect them to be much better this year.

ddm1027,
I think that poll is still from last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 09, 2009, 10:17:09 AM
elon is huge size wise...i think haverford will definitely have a very hard time with them. haverford beat catholic last year and i am not sure middlebury is as strong this year without rudin...don't know who is running the point for them. but f&m should definitely test themselves...the conference (CC) doesn't seem that challenging for them. i think that milligan opened the gates at don bosco and now his friends are coming to join the party...big fish in a small pond to some degree. low D1 or D2 players playing D3. winning is more fun, safe to say, and not many kids play together in college who played in high school, so f&m got something good going on now. they are deep.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 09, 2009, 12:08:07 PM
Reserved Seat, what were your impressions of the new guys at F&M in that scrimmage? Will they be ready to be in the rotation?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: division3 on November 09, 2009, 10:17:09 AM
elon is huge size wise...i think haverford will definitely have a very hard time with them. haverford beat catholic last year and i am not sure middlebury is as strong this year without rudin...don't know who is running the point for them. but f&m should definitely test themselves...the conference (CC) doesn't seem that challenging for them. i think that milligan opened the gates at don bosco and now his friends are coming to join the party...big fish in a small pond to some degree. low D1 or D2 players playing D3. winning is more fun, safe to say, and not many kids play together in college who played in high school, so f&m got something good going on now. they are deep.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 09, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
The Centennial Conference men's basketball coaches will hold an interactive preseason "chat" on Tuesday, Nov. 17, beginning at 1 p.m. EST.  Each of the 10 head coaches will be available to answer questions from the moderator and from the "audience."  Join us LIVE on the 17th at at http://centennialconference.blogspot.com or send your question to us in advance.  We'll try to get it in front of your favorite coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 09, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
It's hard to judge talent while watching an intra-squad, but F&M's starters looked ready to go, and the subs will give F&M much more depth.  The freshmen looked decent-all of them.
F&M scrimmages Messiah on Thursday, and then prepares for their opening tournament.
F&M opens with City Tech(12-13 last year), and then plays one of the teams in the first game between St. Lawrence(22-7) or Gwynedd-Mercy(23-9).  Sounds like it should be a good eary test for F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2009, 09:23:00 PM
division 3,

From your posting, you seem to think F&M is bored with the ease that they breeze through the CC.  Where are you coming from?  F&M has not won the conference since 2004 and only twice since 2000.  They were 14-4 last year, good but not great.  Many of their conference wins were very competitive.  Don't get me wrong, F&M was good last year----but, not great.  You lose sight of the fact that, since 2000, F&M has won the conference twice, Gettysburg three times and Ursinus four times.  Don't anoint F&M anything yet, they still have to earn it.  I thing the CC will be very competitive this year and don't be surprised by anything.  F&M is the team to beat for sure but I don't think it will be a cakewalk for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 09, 2009, 10:12:12 PM
Reserved Seat, I think you are right that F&M will have some solid tests and didn't do badly scheduling the opponents themselves. The other thing F&M does that is smart is scheduling teams from the region. St. Mary's, Susquehanna and probably Gwynedd-Mercy, who lost its best player but will be solid and deep, should all be good games. Brooklyn could be the best team they will play (they are ranked 10th in the preseason by Sporting News).

City Tech, Lebanon Valley, and Juniata are all sub .500 though. Regardless, the schedule itself is fine, but I still don't think it is the best way to prepare for a tough season and post-season, particularly because of all the non-conference games this year only sub .500 Lebanon Valley will be away from Lancaster. Hosting 2 tournaments a year is very rare and makes it hard for F&M to get any quality road tests outside of the CC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 10, 2009, 12:19:35 AM
gabriel
all i said was that the cc doesn't seem that challenging to f&m last year and it might be the same again this year. their team seemed the deepest last year and does again this year. that is all i am saying. i never said they were great but i do think they are a pretty good d3 team and the clear favorites in centennial. i'm not hyping them, i just think they are good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 10, 2009, 07:14:17 AM
Quote from: division3 on November 10, 2009, 12:19:35 AM
gabriel
all i said was that the cc doesn't seem that challenging to f&m last year and it might be the same again this year. their team seemed the deepest last year and does again this year. that is all i am saying. i never said they were great but i do think they are a pretty good d3 team and the clear favorites in centennial. i'm not hyping them, i just think they are good.

division 3,

Your words "the cc doesn't (didn't)  seem that challenging to f&m last year and it might be the same again this year" I don't agree with.  They had four losses last year and I saw two very competitive  games with Ursinus that F&M won.  I agree that they will be good and should be considered  the favorite but don't anoint them quite yet.  If they run the table and/or win the conference they have bragging rights.  Until then, let's play the games.  I will be very surprised if they don't get competitive games from at least McDaniel, Ursinus, Muhlenberg and Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 10, 2009, 09:16:53 AM
thanks gabriel. i don't feel like i am annointing f&m nor am i saying that they are unbeatable in the conference..merely that they were the best team last year and look like the best team this year. ..but as we know, anything can happen. i look forward to surprises this season...there always are some.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 10, 2009, 12:22:11 PM
I agree that many of the conference games that F&M has will be competitive. They really only blew out a few teams last year. That being said, F&M was the best team (winning the regular season title and obviously going to the Final Four) and lost the least among last year's playoff teams (and really among anyone in the league period). They also look to have a good crop of recruits. As a non F&M fan, I admit that I expect them to be better than 14-4 this year. I also don't think there will be any teams at the bottom with only a few wins, although Mucci will have his hands full at Haverford. Winning road games will likely be the key to making the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on November 10, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
Do any F & M fans know what players had eligibilty left but chose not to return to the team this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 10, 2009, 08:19:58 PM
ddm
i think swat, washington, dickinson, hopkins might be in as much or more trouble than haverford from what i can tell this season. swat lost their best player by far and hardly won at all last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 10, 2009, 10:23:24 PM
Only 5 players from F&M's 08-09 team are no longer with the team.
Selig graduated.
Scovill was out of eligibility.
Whittington from Idaho didn't return to F&M.
Harris and Hoerner are still in college, but not on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 11, 2009, 12:26:48 AM
Division 3, as I indicated before, I think Coach Mucci will likely be able to keep Haverford competitive but losing Rosnick in particular is going to hurt a lot in terms of W-L. They also lost Anderson and Nowacki among others. Outside of Sam Permutt, they don't have a single returning player who averaged more than 5 ppg last year.
Hopkins had a down year last year (their first losing season in more than a decade), but with Farber-Miller, O'Connell, Henrici and Weisenfeld back they will be very competitive and probably disappointed if they don't make the playoffs. Despite losing their best player, Washington should be pretty strong as well with their 2nd-6th leading scorers back. I do think you may be right about Dickinson; they lost a lot but you never know what will happen with a new coach and I have heard nothing about their roster, which is not even updated yet online. You could also be right about Swat. Swarthmore did lose its leading scorer but returns its entire roster, which was very young last year, and has what I have heard is their best recruiting class in recent memory. Additionally, after losing pretty badly for a lot of the year, Swat was tough late in the season and won 2 of their last 3 (including G-berg), so predicting how they will be is difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 11, 2009, 01:20:11 AM
rosnick is the big loss at haverford...anderson was good but replaceable, nowacki and the rest not big losses. they are young, small,not deep at all, but scrappy. they will have a tough year but they do come to pla and might steal a few games. they defend well.weisenfeld (who i never thought was very good) graduated hopkins. i just think their style is not covincing as winners. they always seem flat to me. swat has a good recruit in will gates but i think they have guard problems.sould be interesting.how does mcdaniel look?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on November 11, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 10, 2009, 10:23:24 PM
Only 5 players from F&M's 08-09 team are no longer with the team.
Selig graduated.
Scovill was out of eligibility.
Whittington from Idaho didn't return to F&M.
Harris and Hoerner are still in college, but not on the team.

THANKS
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 11, 2009, 01:05:52 PM
I've heard McDaniel is pretty excited about their team. Their inside game will be a major question. I don't think their scrimmage against Juniata went particularly well for them. We'll find out if they are ready quickly when they play a top 25 team to open up (St. Mary's).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 12, 2009, 11:50:51 AM
The CC Preseason poll is out:

http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/news/ccpoll

I think the poll is pretty close to how I see team expectations at this point, except that Gettysburg should be below McDaniel. G-burg has one great player but lost so much else they could struggle to make the CC playoffs. At this point I would think Mules, Bears & Terror would be unclear co-favorites for second best hopefuls. It should be a fascinating season as other possibilities include the upstart Shoreman challenging to push ahead of the Bluejays & maybe approaching Gettysburg in the battle for the final playoff spot. I can't wait to see some actual scores or better yet games in person to get a better feel for how the CC shakes out this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 12, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Looks about right.  Let the season begin so we can see how it turns out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 12, 2009, 08:46:09 PM
Oh man, Swarthmore at the bottom? Oh well, I can't wait for the season to start!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 12, 2009, 10:33:24 PM
swat dad
the rankings have some truth but are not necessarily accurate...alot can happen. alot of players who didn't see alot of action are unknowns so the ratings are fairly speculative. enjoy the season...as you know, your kid is at a great school. the basketball is gravy. the team can only do better than what is expected. good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 13, 2009, 08:38:04 AM
F&M's scrimmage with Messiah was closer than I expected, as Messiah rode some deadly 3-point shooting the first half.  They must have hit around 7-8 threes.  F&M played a tenacious defense stealing the ball on numerous Messiah possessions.  Georgio handled the ball well.  F&M was much more athletic than Messiah.
Messiah had good ball movement on the perimeter.  F&M opened up a 15 point lead in the second half, as Messiah didn't get as many open looks on threes.  The only downside of the scrimmage was several injuries on F&M's part.  Hopefully, they are minor and the players will be ready for the opening game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 16, 2009, 08:40:24 AM
On Tuesday, Nov. 17, beginning at 1 p.m. EST, the Centennial Conference men's basketball coaches will hold an interactive chat to talk about the upcoming season. Each coach will be available for a 10-minute block to answer questions from the moderator and take a question or two, if time permits, from our audience.

1:00-1:10 Alan Seretti, Dickinson
1:10-1:20 Glenn Robinson, Franklin & Marshall
1:20-1:30 George Petrie, Gettysburg
1:30-1:40 Michael Mucci, Haverford
1:40-1:50 Bill Nelson, Johns Hopkins
1:50-2:00 Kevin Curley, McDaniel
2:00-2:10 Scott McClary, Muhlenberg
2:10-2:20 Lee Wimberly, Swarthmore
2:20-2:30 Kevin Small, Ursinus
2:30-2:40 Rob Nugent, Washington

If you would like to ask a question, please submit it in the comment box prior to 12:45 p.m. on Tuesday, or join us live.

http://centennialconference.blogspot.com/2009/11/mens-basketball-preseason-coaches-chat.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 17, 2009, 07:54:49 PM
Enjoyed the chat, commish. I didn't know about Hilton's waiver, which makes him eligible to play through 2010-11. It appears that F&M is struggling with injuries. Robinson said the starters have yet to play together. Even if they are healthy, I don't see the Dips cruising through the schedule. Their preseason ranking is deserved after that amazing run to Salem, but I could see them losing a few games in this conference. Here are some questions I have about F&M (not health-related):

- Do they have a legitimate 3-point threat?
- Will they improve their 66.8% mark from the charity stripe?
- Will Milligan cut down on the turnovers?
- How will they respond to being the favorite?

We'll start getting the answers this weekend. Good luck to all teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 18, 2009, 05:59:06 PM
Just saw this about Gettysburg's Andrew  Powers.

http://www.gettysburgsports.com/news/2009/11/6/MBB_1106091519.aspx (http://www.gettysburgsports.com/news/2009/11/6/MBB_1106091519.aspx)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2009, 09:10:12 PM
Quote- Do they have a legitimate 3-point threat?
- Will they improve their 66.8% mark from the charity stripe?
- Will Milligan cut down on the turnovers?
- How will they respond to being the favorite?

Hopefully, after the weekend we can assess these questions(concerns).  Possible answers:
-Tolliver
-hard to do worse
-maturity and experience should help
-maybe they'll beat Gettysburg(tired of eating crow after last year-a good friend is a Gettysburg grad)

I'm planning on being in Mayser for 8 games from Friday to Sunday(men and women's), and squeeze in a football game outside.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 18, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
I am so excited for the season to start! Good luck to everyone and may we all enjoy the season! I can honestly say I have been waiting for this for many many years. All the hard work and now college season tips off!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 19, 2009, 11:09:28 AM


Fellow Diplomat Fans -

Here is the link to the annual pre-season preview article on the Diplomats that appears today in the Lancaster Newspapers. Enjoy!

//http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/245213

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: tjackson on November 20, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
Hey guys, first post.

Just wanted to pass along another preview for the F&M basketball team:

http://www.fmcollegereporter.com/men-s-basketball-tops-preseason-cc-rankings-1.930836 (http://www.fmcollegereporter.com/men-s-basketball-tops-preseason-cc-rankings-1.930836)

I wrote the piece, and I cover the basketball team for the school paper. I'm also at pretty much every game. I talk a lot with Coach Robinson and the players as well, so if you are ever interested, just ask away, I can answer most questions. And if I don't know the answer, I can probably find out.

I look forward to talking basketball with all of you! I'll definitely be checking in throughout the season.

BTW: F&M is playing New York City Tech right now. NYCT didn't score until the 11:22 mark, and that was on free throws. At almost halftime, they're up 37-12. They look pretty good right now. I'll post some more thoughts following the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 20, 2009, 10:27:07 PM
Mismatch.
Ugly game.
Not much to learn except some of the freshmen have potential.
F&M 102 City Tech 40
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: lizalan07 on November 20, 2009, 10:51:38 PM
First night of the "Pride of Md." tourny down. Hopkins- easy win over Stevenson 75-53, while giving a lot of the freshmen extended playing time. Washington lost to Hood 58-55, and very surprising score of the McDaniels game. St Mary's college defeated McDaniel's 83-56.  St. Mary's is probably the cream of the tourney, but, I thought that McDaniels could either beat them, or be a close game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 21, 2009, 01:37:49 AM
I was at the McDaniel game. The guards from St. Mary's really disrupted McDaniel a lot and dominated the game at both ends of the floor. The St. Mary's- F&M game could be a very good one coming up. Swarthmore put up a good fight losing by single digits against last year's NESCAC champ. Haverford also came to play and got a nice win. Both Swat and Haverford look like they have freshmen who are ready to step in right away. This year looks to be a good one in the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: tjackson on November 21, 2009, 04:02:25 PM
Reserved Seat hit it on the head...New York City Tech was grossly overmatched. For the most part, F&Ms second string team was better than their first string team. Freshman Brandon Beckford looked good, as did freshman forward Kevin Henry, but it is difficult to tell, as NYCT I think quit in the second half. Literally everyone on F&M looked like all-stars.

Talking to Coach Robinson following the game, it sounds like these freshman are going to get some decent playing time throughout the season, and that he was generally pleased with pretty much all of them. I also talked to Anthony Brooks, and he commended them as well.

I think we'll get a much better idea of just how good this freshman class is tonight when they play Gwynedd-Mercy, who won a good game against a pesky St. Lawrence club.

I'll check back in following tonight's game against Gwynedd-Mercy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 21, 2009, 10:35:16 PM
Much better game for F&M tonight.  Gwynedd-Mercy gave them all they could handle.
F&M was down by 10 at the half due to some hot shooting by GM especially by Jon Hogga.
GM controlled the boards in the first half.
Fortunately, for F&M, they stepped up their defense and contested more of the shots in the second half.  F&M got more aggressive on the boards.  Two freshmen, Beckford and Henry, contributed quality minutes and key points to F&M turn around as a 10 point deficit became an 11 point victory.  Brooks and Milligan played tight defense and keyed the offense for the second half.  Baker and McNally improved their positioning in the second half, and Tolliver had several key shots.  Beckford and Henry look like they will fit in nicely with the team.
F&M, hopefully, can find a few more players to add to the mix. Driver and Salvati played well enough to give some of the others some rest.
GM did not go quietly.  Johnson, Hogga, and some good freshmen gave F&M a run for their money.
LVC in next.
Go Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: stamolpid on November 22, 2009, 12:19:33 AM
The superstatTM for F&M's win over Gwynedd-Mercy...F&M had 19 assists and only 9 turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2009, 01:00:50 PM
Here at the Pride of Maryland Tournament, getting a chance to see Washington, JHU, and McDaniel... and mixed reviews for now.

Hopkins certainly has size, but Hood was able to control much of the game and simply didn't let Hopkins play the game they wanted. It was a battle, but with JHU's size I expected them to win.

McDaniel was good, but not great against Goucher. The Green Terror should have dominated Goucher, but after getting a sizeable lead against the Gophers, they let them back into the game - and getting into an OT situation. If Jones (#23) doesn't hit a ton in the second half, McDaniel might be playing in the 7th place game. Heck, Jones missed five or so FT's in the OT to ice the game, giving Goucher a look to tie the game - though they missed. If people are excited about this team, they need to come to grips with the fact they are inconsistent and struggle with their game. If they get it together, they could be pretty good... but they are not a F&M beating team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2009, 01:05:11 PM
As for Washington... I am so far disappointed. For a team that showed so much with young talent last season, I expected a lot more of them this weekend then to be playing in the 7th place game against McDaniel. Washington may have beaten Stevenson rather easily, but it wasn't like they played well in doing so. Several times Stevenson crawled back tino the game in both halves and made i just a couple point spread. The Shoreman should have dominated the game and it should never have been in question from the opening tip.

Now that all being said, I will be interested to see how these teams play on Sunday... when facing different match-ups.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: lizalan07 on November 22, 2009, 06:39:57 PM
Dave,
     Appreciate your comments. I was a little surprised that you said that Hopkins had size. The only player with good size was Ferber-Miller and Hood did a great job of collasping on him whenever he got the ball.  The other 2 players with good size for Hopkins never got in the game. Hood looked very good, forcing Hopkins to giveup on their inside game, except for driving layups.  Was unable to get to Sunday's game against Salisbury.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2009, 07:53:06 PM
lizalan07 - there is more size inside then Ferber-Miller... today Alberici got plenty of time and I remember seeing him play in the Hood game. They do have size on the inside... the problem is that size has trouble with aggressive and swarming defense - similar to Hood the other day. Also... when I say size... Hood has one player above 6-8... and really aren't bigger then 6-4... so when you see that size against JHU - they lok big.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on November 22, 2009, 09:35:03 PM
In reference to the following review:

McDaniel was good, but not great against Goucher. The Green Terror should have dominated Goucher, but after getting a sizeable lead against the Gophers, they let them back into the game - and getting into an OT situation. If Jones (#23) doesn't hit a ton in the second half, McDaniel might be playing in the 7th place game. Heck, Jones missed five or so FT's in the OT to ice the game, giving Goucher a look to tie the game - though they missed. If people are excited about this team, they need to come to grips with the fact they are inconsistent and struggle with their game. If they get it together, they could be pretty good... but they are not a F&M beating team.

Dave,

Although I value your basketball insight you have to keep a few things in mind regarding the McDaniel squad:  Chemistry is still being developed with alot of new parts in the rotation; A few players recovering from injuries as well as early foul trouble limited contributions; and it was only the 2nd game of the season.  I see them challenging again in the top tier of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 23, 2009, 05:14:40 PM
d3hoopsfan... I am not sure McDaniel will be able to be in the top tier, expect for the fact other teams have fallen off. Remember... something like 65% of McDaniel's offense from last year is gone. In the 5th place game against Washington... I wanted to stop the game for the sheer fact neither team was playing well.

F&M is certainly going to be on top... who is after them is the question. Ursinus tends to reload well... and Hopkins may be the other team (though, those I have talked to think JHU is not going to be good this season - I am going on what I saw this weekend... third place was good). Gettysburg already has a large defeat to York; Washington does not look as good as I expected from a team that showed so much promise last season; McDaniel has good talent on paper, but should have steamrolled the Gophers; etc.

I understand team chemistry, second game of the season, and injuries... but Goucher is dealing with much of the same and I didn't think they had a chance to play at McDaniel's level. Remember, McDaniel two years ago shocked everyone... won the Pride of Maryland... and went through much of the early season with big win. That was a squad with new coach and new system and just a few upperclassmen... I didn't expect that kind of chemistry early on. So, to expect to have it now is not out of the rhealm of possibility... they have showed they can be ready when the season starts.

By the way... the Centennial might have a battle on its hands this year for regional domination... the CAC has some good teams this year in Hood, Salisbury, and York along with SMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 23, 2009, 07:10:21 PM

Folks -

OK, since we all seemed to enjoy this last year, I am going to try my hand at getting the "Pick-Ems" contest off of the ground for this season, except for last weekend's games. It will be divided into two sections: through December 31 and January 1 and after.

Accordingly, my quick research shows the following games involving Centennial Conference teams on the schedule for Tuesday, November 24, 2009:

Juniata            @     Dickinson
F&M                 @     Lebanon Valley
Gettysburg      @     York College
Haverford        @     Catholic University
New Jersey     @     Muhlenberg
Swarthmore     @    Arcadia
Ursinus            @     Drew
Washington     @     Stevenson

McDaniel does not play again until Saturday, November 28. Johns Hopkins does not play again until Wednesday, December 2.

All picks are due by 5:00 P. M. tommorrow, Novmeber 24. Sorry for the very short notice as I just decided to do this about an hour ago. I will try to do a much better job of getting future games posted further in advance. I will also try to post the results and the to-date standings during the following day.

Good luck to all prognosticators and teams. Have fun! Enjoy. Have a safe, relaxing, and enjoyable Thanksgiving holiday. Regards to all.

Eric

P. S. - If anybody has an electronic version of a composite schedule for all teams in the conference, it would be most helpful in getting the games listed and posted. If so, please send directly to me via personal e-mail. Thanks.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 23, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Thanks diplomaniac1
Here goes the first picks of the year

Juniata
F&M
York College
Catholic University
New Jersey
Swarthmore
Ursinus
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 23, 2009, 07:40:18 PM
My picks now too

Juniata
F&M
York
Catholic
New Jersey
Arcadia
Ursinus
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 23, 2009, 07:56:29 PM
Picks for 11-24
Juniata over a very young red devils squad
F&M is a comment even necessary
York over a rebuilding Gettysburg
Catholic over Haverford
Muhlenberg simply because their home
Swat over Arcadia both teams young, Swat on a hunch
Ursinus too strong for a struggling Drew team
Washington going with the centennial team here
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 23, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
Picks for 11/24/2009

Juniata
F&M
York
Catholic
New Jersey
Arcadia
Ursinus
Washinton
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on November 24, 2009, 09:52:10 AM
My big concerns for F&M is the outside shooting.  I watched a few games online last year, and it was terrible.  It was amazing that they made it to the Final Four without the ability to shoot from outside.  Hurt them in Salem, but I saw the boxscores and noticed that there were a decent number of 3 pointers from F&M in the first two games.  Thoughts?

I also noticed some decent teams on the schedule this year, which should give F&M some much needed tests. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on November 24, 2009, 11:00:05 AM
Long time reader, first time poster.

My Picks:

Juniata         
F&M                 
York College
Catholic University
New Jersey     
Swarthmore     
Ursinus           
Washington     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 24, 2009, 11:18:58 AM
Ursinus started three freshmen against both Keystone College and Hamilton College last weekend at Hamilton.  Keystone was good-- very athletic and a challenge for the young players.  Ursinus played very poorly, first game jitters I think.  They trailed by 16 points a couple of times, the first time 20-4.  Yet,  they hung in there and pulled it out at the end 85-83.  Not pretty, but a win and a learning experience.

The next night was entirely different.  Hamilton is very good and could end up being a top 25 team before the year is out.  They are big and physical and can shoot threes.  The game was close throughout---a well played game by both teams.  Hamilton pulled it out at the buzzer 79-78.  Another great learning experience for the Bears.

Ursinus had only nine players as three sophomores were there but could not play, mostly for physical reasons.  The three freshmen played well but often played like freshmen.  Cousart averaged 22 points, 10.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists.  Hilton averaged 24.5 points.  The two veterans held them together.

Ursinus plays five of their first six games on the road.  We hope all of this speeds the development of the freshmen to sophomores by February.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 24, 2009, 12:21:19 PM
I saw Dips against Gwynedd-Mercy. Griffins shot it lights out early on but cooled off & Dips were able to fight back. I am impressed with freshman Beckford (looks good enough to start right now) & big guy Henry (excellent skill set & athleticism).
Does anyone know if Brooks who was listed as a sophomore last year & is now on the roster as a senior is back next year? There could be lots of reasons, like he plans to graduate early, but I just wondered if it was listed correctly or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on November 24, 2009, 12:32:31 PM
I will jump in with the picks for tonight:

Juniata
F & M
York
Catholic
CNJ
Arcadia
Ursinus
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 24, 2009, 01:02:29 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks -

Juniata (New coach and players at Dickinson)
F&M
Gettysburg
Catholic
New Jersey (New coach at Muhlenberg)
Arcadia
Ursinus
McDaniel (Just a hunch)

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 24, 2009, 02:04:34 PM
My 11/24 picks:

Juniata
F&M
York
Catholic
Muhlenberg
Arcadia
Ursinus
Washington

Diplomaniac - thanks for running the picks. I noticed that you picked McDaniel, but they don't play tonight...good luck to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: stamolpid on November 24, 2009, 09:41:02 PM
The superstatTM for F&M's loss against Lebanon Valley...James McNally went 10 of 18 for 56% while the rest of the starters shot 11 of 36 for 31%
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 24, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
F&M continued their struggles at LVC.
After digging an 8 point hole in the first half, F&M fought back to take a slim margin.  Unfortunately everytime they got their head out of the hole LVC whacked them back into the hole.
F&M had problems stopping LVC in the first half, but picked up the pressure in the second half.
Meehan played a terrific game for LVC hitting key shots especially down the stretch.  Dunkelberger was a non-factor for LVC as was Baker for F&M.
F&M's questionable shot selection down the stretch also contributed to their downfall.
F&M was only 1 for 8 on threes.  LVC was 5 for 12.
Hopefully, this early loss will only motivate F&M to come ready to play in the first half.
Go Dips!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 25, 2009, 08:04:19 AM
Picks for 11/28

F&M
Alvernia

Picks for 11/29

Moravian
Ursinus

Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 25, 2009, 10:39:53 AM
The CC is looking down this year. I was certainly thinking that many of the teams would start better than this. Lets hope the teams pick up their level of play after the holiday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 25, 2009, 03:25:47 PM
picks

F&M
McDaniel

Haverford
Lebanon Valley
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on November 25, 2009, 03:50:39 PM
I guess I'll give the picks a try for Saturday's games. 

F & M over Juniata.   Not a close game.

McDaniel over Alvernia.    A close game again for the Terror but they will figure it our and get it together. 

Havorford over Moravian.  Looks like a real down year for Moravian.

Lebanon Valley over Ursinus.  I think the Ursinus praises may be a bit premature. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on November 25, 2009, 04:06:09 PM
Not that it changed the outcome of the game, but here's a picture of where Meehan's feet were on the final shot that was called a 3:

http://fritzdis.home.comcast.net/LVC_FnM.jpg (http://fritzdis.home.comcast.net/LVC_FnM.jpg)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on November 25, 2009, 05:00:40 PM
My picks

F&M
McDaniel
Haverford
LVC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 25, 2009, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on November 25, 2009, 04:06:09 PM
Not that it changed the outcome of the game, but here's a picture of where Meehan's feet were on the final shot that was called a 3:

http://fritzdis.home.comcast.net/LVC_FnM.jpg (http://fritzdis.home.comcast.net/LVC_FnM.jpg)

Tim Flynn, LVC's SID agrees. In his comments in GoDutchmen.com [Blog], Flynn says Meehan was inside the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 25, 2009, 06:05:09 PM


Folks -

OK, here are the results and standings from the first night of the -"Pick-Ems". As with last year, both the W-L record and the percentage will be listed for each "picker". The winner will be the person with the highest W-L percentage participating at least 75% of the time. That way, more folks can join in on the fun down the road and others won't be penalized for forgetting to make picks on a given night.

BTEXPRESS                    7 - 1      .875
D. B. COOPER                7 - 1      .875
GABRIEL                        7 - 1      .875
GODIPS04                     6 - 2      .750
RESERVED SEAT            6 - 2      .750
R. W. MCNICKLES          6 - 2      .750
BRCE4                           5 - 3      .625
DIPLOMANIAC1             5 - 3      .625

Looks like the Diplomats cost us all! As R W correctly pointed out, in my hurry, I typed McDaniel when I meant to type Washington. For now, I have counted that as a loss. But, I will let you folks decide how I should count it. Just let me know. Also, If you think that I have incorrectly determined your record or precentage let me know and I will re-verify.

Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 25, 2009, 06:22:31 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans and Prognosticators -

Here are the listings of the respective games along with the picking deadlines for the next five nights of play involving teams from the Conference.

Saturday, November 28, 2009:

Juniata @ F&M
McDaniel @ Alvernia

By Tip-Off

Sunday, November 29, 2009:

Haverford @ Moravian
Lebanon Valley @ Ursinus

By Tip-Off

Monday, November 30, 2009:

Saint Mary's @ F&M

By Tip-Off

Wednesday, December 2, 2009:

Johns Hopkins @ Gettysburg
McDaniel @ Dickinson
Ursinus @ F&M
Washington @ Haverford
Muhlenberg @ Swarthmore

By Tip-Off

Saturday, December 5, 2009

Johns Hopkins @ Dickinson
F&M @ McDaniel
Ursinus @ Swarthmore
Washington @ Muhlenberg
Gettysburg @ Haverford

By Tip-Off

You do not have to make your picks for all of these games that far in advance. However, I wanted to get them posted early during the holiday season to give everyone extra time to think about them. Picxking too far in advance will not take into account injuries, etc.

Enjoy! Have Fun! Regards to all.

Eric







Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 25, 2009, 07:25:44 PM
Picks for upcoming games (5-3 ouch)
F&M they simply can't lose 2 in a row and their at home.
Moravian because they are the home team
Ursinus Leb Val had a great win against F&M but also lost to Cabrini @home so I'm sticking with the home team
Alvernia basically going with the home team across the board.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 25, 2009, 07:30:27 PM
No difference if I wait or not.

Saturday, November 28, 2009:

F&M
Alvernia

Sunday, November 29, 2009:

Moravian
Lebanon Valley

Monday, November 30, 2009:

F&M

Wednesday, December 2, 2009:


Johns Hopkins
McDaniel
F&M
Haverford
Muhlenberg

Saturday, December 5, 2009

Dickinson
F&M
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Haverford


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 25, 2009, 08:53:08 PM
Picks

11/28
F & M
Alvernia

11/29
Moravian
Ursinus

11/30
F & M

Sorry I missed the first picks but it will all work out. Will Finish the picks Tuesday

Have a good holiday all

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 26, 2009, 12:57:30 AM
Saturday/Sunday picks

F&M
Alvernia

Moravian
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on November 27, 2009, 09:23:26 AM
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving yesterday. Here are my picks for the weekend:

Sat. 11/28
F & M
Alvernia

Sun. 11/29
Moravian
Ursinus( Not sure about this one, Can LVC pull off another upset?)

Mon. 11/30
F & M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 27, 2009, 06:07:35 PM
Picks for next week

Monday, 11/30
F&M
Moravian
Muhlenberg

Weds, 12/2                                                                                                                                         
Ursinus
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Haverford
Muhlenberg

Sat, 12/5

JHU
F&M
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 28, 2009, 01:38:05 PM
11/28 picks:

F&M
Alvernia

11/29 picks:

Moravian
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 28, 2009, 04:24:05 PM


Folks -

Here are my weekend picks -

11/28

F&M
McDaniel

11/29

Moravian
Ursinus

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 28, 2009, 05:53:34 PM
diplomaniac 1
Just got your message, but I see you got your picks in.
Good Luck with your picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 28, 2009, 08:58:02 PM
A nice 30+ point F&M win, but team seems bipolar, two horrible 1st stanzas against against GMC & LVC, but can look excellent at times. On a positive note impressive 6'8" freshman Henry out with a presumed injury & what does 6'8" freshman Gyokchyan do but make me wonder if he shouldn't be considered for more use or starting down the road.
Monday is a trap game for F&M a against an outstanding St. Mary's team. This is a huge game for Gulls against a higher ranked team the NCAA took over them last year for the only Pool C bid the Mid-Atlantic was awarded. But for Dips far & away the most important game next week is the battle against Ursinus 2 days later (rightfully so). Bears may well be the Dips main competition for top league honors based on these early results. Expect Bears to dispatch LVC who won't  be playing in Kansas (well Annville) anymore.

Finally my pick for 11/30 game:
St. Mary's (not a lock but want Dips to prove how wrong I am)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 28, 2009, 09:28:01 PM
With Henry out with an non-basketball, elbow injury, Hayk had an opportunity to show his potential.  His 15 points and 10 rebounds bode well for the future. His shots showed a nice touch, he had made several outstanding passes.
McNally gave the team consistent play with 22 points and 11 rebounds.
Whatever F&M did wrong against LVC, they played much better today.
St. Mary's will be a good test on Monday to see if they can put together 2 good halves against a quality opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 29, 2009, 12:52:15 AM
On 11/30 it seems their are two other games with CC teams playing.
Muhlenberg-Kings (PA)
SWAT-Moravian

Are these games to be picked also?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 29, 2009, 09:12:22 AM
11/30 picks
F&M over a strong St. Mary's home court the difference for Dips
Mules over Kings 2 struggling teams Mules size the difference
Moravian over improved Swat young teams tend to struggle on the road
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on November 29, 2009, 11:37:31 AM
11/30 picks

F&M (close game)
Kings (toss up)
Moravian (home court)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 29, 2009, 06:05:15 PM
Just in case we are doing all the 11/30 games

St. Mary's (2 ranked teams & no one else is picking the unbeaten one with a 51 point scorer?)
Muhlenberg (Young King's squad has shown no life at all)
SWAT (have no clue here)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2009, 06:25:15 PM


Folks -

Yes, we will add the other two games on Monday, 11/30:

Muhlenberg vs. Kings

Swarthmore vs. Moravian.

Sorry about that. The schedule I was working from didn't list those games. Keep those picks coming!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2009, 07:38:06 PM


Fellow Diplomat Fans -

Here is a link to the article on last night's F&M game that appeared in today's Lancaster Sunday News:

//http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/245642

Enjoy.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2009, 08:41:14 PM

Fellow Prognosticators -

Here are the results from the games on Saturday, November 28:

BTEXPRESS                  2 - 0

BRCE4                         2 - 0

DB COOPER                 2 - 0

GABRIEL                      2 - 0

OLD ENDS                    2 - 0

RESERVED SEAT           2 - 0

R W MCNICKLES          2 - 0

DIPLOMANIAC1            1 - 1

DIVISION3                   1 - 1

GODIPS04                    1 - 1

OLDMANTERROR          1 - 1

Apparently, some of us had a little too much faith in Conference and the young Green Terror team!

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2009, 09:00:51 PM


Fellow "Pick-Em" Participants -

The following are the results from the games played today (Sunday, November 29):

BRCE4                    1 - 1

BTEXPRESS             1 - 1

D. B. COOPER         1 - 1

DIPLOMANIAC1       1 - 1

DIVISION3              1 - 1

GABRIEL                  1 - 1

GODIPS04               1 - 1

OLD ENDS               1 - 1

OLD MAN TERROR    1 - 1

R. W. MCNICKLES    1 - 1

RESERVED SEAT       0 - 2

It is still probably too early to get a read on some of the younger teams and how they stack up out of conference. Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2009, 09:44:50 PM


Fellow Prognosticators -

Welcome back to old ends who started the idea of "Pick-Ems" about two years ago! It has been alot of fun and has stimulated the discussion here in this room. Also, welcome to first-time participants division3 and oldmanterror. Keep those selections and comments coming! Anyone else who wishes to participate can jump in at anytime. You know - the more the merrier!

Here are the cumulative standings, inclusive of the four games played this weekend and listing the newer participants as well:

BTEXPRESS                    10 - 2     .833
D. B. COOPER                10 - 2     .833
GABRIEL                        10 - 2     .833
R. W. MCNICKLES            9 - 3     .750
OLD ENDS                       3 - 1     .750
BRCE4                             8 - 4     .667
GODIPS04                       8 - 4     .667
RESERVED SEAT              8 - 4     .667
DIPLOMANIAC1               7 - 5     .583
DIVISION3                      2 - 2     .500
OLD MAN TERROR            2 -2     .500

If I don't improve soon, it looks like I am going to have to replace my crystal ball!

Don't forget, it has now been determined that there are three games involving Centennial Conference Teams tomorrow night, Monday, November 30 to close-out the month. Please remember to submit your picks prior to tip-off. Enjoy!

Hope everyone has safe travels home after the long holiday weekend and is ready for the work week! Regards to all. Good luck with your picks.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 29, 2009, 09:50:41 PM
Monday's extra picks
Muhlenberg
Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 30, 2009, 08:31:31 AM
monday

muhlenberg
swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 30, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2009, 06:25:15 PM


Folks -

Yes, we will add the other two games on Monday, 11/30:

Muhlenberg vs. Kings

Swarthmore vs. Moravian.

Sorry about that. The schedule I was working from didn't list those games. Keep those picks coming!

Eric



Eric,

I modified my earlier post to include the games.

Gabriel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on November 30, 2009, 11:48:21 AM
Here are my picks for tonight 11/30

F & M
Muhlenberg
Moravian
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 30, 2009, 12:58:30 PM


division3 -

Did you make a pick for tonight's St. Mary's @ F&M game? If so. please confirm your pick as I don't see it listed anywhere. THanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 30, 2009, 01:04:43 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for tonight's games:

F&M
Muhlenberg
Moravian

Good luck! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 30, 2009, 03:31:34 PM
My picks for tonight:

St. Mary's
Moravian
Muhlenberg

Quote from: D.B. Cooper on November 29, 2009, 06:05:15 PM
St. Mary's (2 ranked teams & no one else is picking the unbeaten one with a 51 point scorer?)

D.B., I'll join you in picking the "underdog," if you can call it that.  On paper, should be one of the best non-conference games in the Mid-Atlantic this year. Looking forward to seeing how the F&M guards defend Griffin.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on November 30, 2009, 04:06:23 PM
Ursinus seemed to handle LVC rather easy yesterday. Now I am questioning their win over F & M. Did the Dips just have a bad game against Lebanon Valley or are the Bears better than people thought they would be this season? It will be a good test for F & M tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 30, 2009, 07:23:40 PM
tonight's third game

F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on November 30, 2009, 10:05:51 PM
winners are:
F&M over St Mary's
King's over Muhlenberg
Moravian over Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 30, 2009, 10:09:38 PM
A wild game in Mayser tonight.
F&M rolled to  a 17 point half-time behind the scoring of Brooks, but the second half was a different story as F&M struggled to survive through foul trouble.  McNally carried the team on his back as well as several of St. Mary's players.  McNally's inside points countered the terrific half by St. Mary's Griffin.
Griffin played one of the best second half I've seen in my 40+ years of watching games at Mayser.  Griffin literally cut the lead to 4 with his aggressive drives and timely shooting(26 points in the second half-after a slow first half)  Franz's brought the ball in  a hurry the entire second half keeping F&M on their heels especially with all the freshmen playing.  Baker and Milligan had 4 fouls and spent a lot of time on the bench with the hopes of being able to finish out the game at the end.  Brooks and Tolliver were also saddled with 3 fouls for a major part of the game.  Hayk, also, had 3 quick fouls.
McNally finished with 30 points and 13 rebounds.  Baker struggled on offense but contributed 12 boards.
Brooks had 17 points and 6 rebounds.
Griffin lead the scoring with 31 points, but no other St. Mary's player reached double figures.

Ursinus should be a great game with two very talented teams meeting in Lancaster on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on December 01, 2009, 02:11:21 PM
So the new poll came out, and F&M drops to 10.  Not a terrible drop considering losing to LVC in a game they had no business losing.  What's good is that it doesn't even account for F&M's victory over the #12 team in the country last night.

#43 Ursinus is not going to be an easy opponent either.  A victory over F&M and they have a case for cracking the top 25, especially at Mayser.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 01, 2009, 03:40:49 PM


Fellow Prognosticators -

Here are the updated results showing last night's games, the total record to date, and the cummulative percentage:


                 11/30   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
BTEXPRESS           2 - 1       12 - 3      .800
GABRIEL                           2 - 1       12 - 3      .800
OLD ENDS           1 - 0         4 - 1      .800
GODIPS04           3 - 0       11 - 4      .733
BRCE4                           2 - 1       10 - 5      .667
D. B. COOPER           0 – 3    10 - 5      .667
R. W. MCNICKLES           1 - 2       10 - 5      .667
DIPLOMANIAC1           2 - 1      9 - 6      .600
RESERVED SEAT           1 - 2        9 - 6      .600
OLD MAN TERROR           0 - 0        2 - 2      .500
DIVISION3           1 - 2        3 - 4      .429

Last night's results was a real mix with the Muhlenberg game being our ondoing for almost all of us! Kudos to GODIPS04 for a perfect slate and condolences to D. B. COOPER for his unblemished record the other way. The rest of us were somewhere in between.

I hope to get to Mayser Center on Wednesday for the Dips game with Ursinus - a good early season test for both. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 01, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
Picks for 12-2
Ursinus @ F&M Tough early season game for both going with F&M at home
JHU@Gettysburg 2 youngish teams, I like Gettysburg to win at home.
McDaniel@Dickinson McDaniel on the road over a young red devil's squad
Washington@Haverford 2 really scrappy teams, Washington's my pick in a close one
Mules@Swat Struggling Mules to win over an evolving Swat team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 01, 2009, 10:19:37 PM
my picks

F&M
Hopkins
McDaniel
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 01, 2009, 10:27:35 PM
12/2 picks

F&M
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 02, 2009, 08:21:17 AM
12/2 picks for CC opening night:

Ursinus
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Haverford

F&M plays really well at home, but I think Ursinus could pull the upset. A very dangerous game for the Dips, especially if the Bears build a lead with an early 3-point barrage, as they have done in the past in Mayser.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 02, 2009, 09:55:43 AM
Here are my picks for tonight:

F & M ( going with the Home team, but I am not real confident in the Dips tonight, should be a great atmosphere for an early season contest)
Hopkins ( will be a good road win for the Jays)
Dickinson ( just have a feeling the Devils will get their first win of the year)
Haverford ( tossed a coin on this one)
Muhlenberg ( just better right now than Swat)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2009, 02:58:39 PM



Folks -

Here are my picks for tonight's games:

Johns Hopkins (just call it a hunch)
McDaniel (more experienced than the Red Devils and their new coach)
F&M (should be a close game, but I have blue in my blood)
Washington (again more experience than opponent although both teams have to convince me)
Muhlenberg (strong inside game against young team)

Hope to be at Myser tonight. Good luck to all! Enjoy. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2009, 03:00:34 PM


Reserved Seat -

I show your picks for tonight as F&M, Haverford, and Muhlenberg. I can't find any record of your picks in the other two games. Please advise.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 02, 2009, 04:53:56 PM
I noticed yesterday that I hadn't record winners for those two games, but I modified my picks.  Here's a copy of my picks.

QuoteSaturday, November 28, 2009:

F&M
Alvernia

Sunday, November 29, 2009:

Moravian
Lebanon Valley

Monday, November 30, 2009:

F&M

Wednesday, December 2, 2009:

Johns Hopkins
McDaniel
F&M
Haverford
Muhlenberg

Saturday, December 5, 2009

Dickinson
F&M
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Haverford

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on December 02, 2009, 06:14:52 PM
Picks for 12-2

F&M
Gburg
McDaniel
Haverford
Mules

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 02, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Sorry for the late response but had to get my nephew to fix my computer.

F & M
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Haverford
Swarthmore

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on December 02, 2009, 09:32:56 PM
Haverford 67
Washington 62
Freshman cameron Baker in double figures for the 5th straight game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 02, 2009, 10:06:04 PM
Another exciting game at Mayser
Ursinus is a very impressive team with height and outside scoring.
They should be a team to reckon with all year.  F&M pulled out a close game with a 78-74 win.
Cousart and Milligan traded points and both took control for their teams.
Cousart had 23 points and 13 rebounds.
Milligan had 33 points.  After an off night against St. Mary's, Milligan made sure it didn't happen again.
The height on both teams negated each other.  F&M did most of their inside damage in the first half.  Baker and McNally both scored in double figures with most of their points in the first half.
Janowski played a very physical game for Ursinus scoring 18 points.
Baker(F&M) and Ward(Ursinus) were plagued with foul trouble through the second half.
Brooks again played with a lot of energy and made several key plays(steals/blocks), but made several key turnovers.
Ursinus  12 A  17 T
F&M 23 A  12 T
Ward and Janowski will be great big men once they learn to position their bodies and not just push and shove.
The game was nip and tuck down to the wire until Coach Small got called for a deserved technical.
The officiating was ragged throughout the game but bad calls went both ways.
It should be a interesting rematch at Ursinus on February 3th.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on December 03, 2009, 09:12:33 AM
Bad refs in Division III are par for the course.  I don't know if I've ever seen a game without many bad calls.  At least if the bad calls were both ways, they negate each other.

What were the circumstances behind the technical?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 03, 2009, 10:39:41 AM
Sounds like it was an exciting game in Lancaster last night, I am sure the Dip Zone was going crazy at the end. Here our my picks for Saturday 12/5:

F & M
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 03, 2009, 11:59:09 AM
Picks for 12/5

F&M (road will make it a tough challenge)
Haverford (tough call most will probably take G-burg)
Muhlenberg (Mules need to wake up to preseason expectations)
Ursinus (a gimme, no contest, Bears will have to wait to get a challenge)
JHU (should handle struggling Devils)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 03, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
Conference website lists Mules at Shoremen on Saturday, I'm pretty sure Mules are the home team
Picks for 12-5
F&M Dips are loaded
Gburg Powers the difference over an always tough Fords squad
Mules Teams struggle at Memorial Hall
Ursinus Swat improved overall but not ready for Bears
Hopkins a little more experienced than Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 03, 2009, 07:22:02 PM


Fellow Prognosticators -

Sorry for the delay. Too much to do in the office today. Accordingly, here are the "Pick-Em" standings after last evening's games. They show last night's results, the cummulative totals, and the win-loss percentage:


   12/2   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GABRIEL   4 - 1   16 - 4   .800
GODIPS04   5 - 0   16 - 4   .800
OLD ENDS   4 - 1   8 - 2   .800
BTEXPRESS   3 - 2   15 - 5   .750
BRCE4   4 - 1   14 - 6   .700
D. B. COOPER   4 - 1   14 - 6   .700
R. W. MCNICKLES   4 - 1   14 - 6   .700
RESERVED SEAT   4 - 1   13 - 7   .650
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 - 2   12 - 8   .600
DIVISION3   4 - 1   7 - 5   .583
OLD MAN TERROR   0 - 0   2 - 2   .500
         
Kudos go to GODIPS04 for the prfect night! Mostly, everyone else was 4 - 1. That is, except for yours truly who has his crystal ball on life support and BTEXPRESS!

As long as the weather is good, I plan to make the trek to Westminster on Saturday to see the Dips battle the Terror. Hope everyone has a great weekend. These first two weeks of the season have sure gone by too fast! Soon, we will be in a holding pattern until the new year.

Good luck. Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 03, 2009, 10:05:27 PM
Eric, no big deal but I also was 5-0.

Also I'm going to amend my post picking Saturdays games as I misunderstood home court status, Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
The technical on Small was for a perceived foul on a lay-up.  After voicing his outrage, he didn't settle down.  He had been out of his seat and on the edge of the court numerous times.

The DipZone was fairly quiet.  I guess the students are too busy studying.  I talked to several regulars who were not in attendance.  They said they had papers due.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 03, 2009, 10:23:21 PM
have to go with the following on saturday:

F & M
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on December 04, 2009, 10:41:19 AM
12-5 Picks:

F&M
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Johns Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on December 04, 2009, 01:32:28 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on December 03, 2009, 07:22:02 PM


         
Kudos go to GODIPS04 for the prfect night! Mostly, everyone else was 4 - 1.

Thanks, pure luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 04, 2009, 06:14:48 PM

D. B. COOPER -

Right you are! Sorry about that. Sometimes, I can't even ready my own scribble. Standings have been corrected and will be posted shortly. Thanks for double-checking my "score-keeping".

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 04, 2009, 06:17:50 PM


Folks -

In follow-up to D. B. Cooper's post, I checked my "score-keeping" and determined that he was indeed correct about his pefect 5 - 0 record on Wednesday night. Accordingly, the following are the updated and corrected standings:

   12/2   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GABRIEL   4 - 1   16 - 4   .800
GODIPS04   5 - 0   16 - 4   .800
OLD ENDS   4 - 1   8 - 2   .800
BTEXPRESS   3 - 2   15 - 5   .750
D. B. COOPER   5 - 0   15 5    .750
BRCE4   4 - 1   14 - 6   .700
R. W. MCNICKLES   4 - 1   14 - 6   .700
RESERVED SEAT   4 - 1   13 - 7   .650
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 - 2   12 - 8   .600
DIVISION3   4 - 1   7 - 5   .583
OLD MAN TERROR   0 - 0   2 - 2   .500
         
Enjoy your weekend and the games. Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 04, 2009, 06:21:20 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
The technical on Small was for a perceived foul on a lay-up.  After voicing his outrage, he didn't settle down.  He had been out of his seat and on the edge of the court numerous times.

The DipZone was fairly quiet.  I guess the students are too busy studying.  I talked to several regulars who were not in attendance.  They said they had papers due.

Reserved Seat,

You need to do a better job of balanced reporting.  Your earlier posting was a nice synopsis of the game except you mentioned the bad calls went both ways.  Apparently, I was watching a different game as I saw only one  call  F&M did not get that they should have---on a Janowski push  on a rebound.  Think about the fourth foul on Ward when Gyokchyan was driving the lane and dipped his shoulder to move Ward out of the way.  When the offensive player dips his shoulder and makes contact with the defender that way,  it is an offensive foul every time---except Wednesday night.  Page was called for an offensive foul on an similar play a few minutes later---except that he did not dip his shoulder.  The correct call should have been a blocking foul on the defender.

Coach Small's blow up was the result of terrible. one sided officiating throughout the game which culminated with the lack of a call on a layup attempt by Cousart with 23 seconds to go and the Bears down by one.  That was followed by a "scrum" for the ball where Donahue and Milligan were on the floor fighting for the ball.  Donahue gained control but was called for a 'phantom' foul with 21 seconds to go.  The proper call was a jump ball.  Ursinus had the possession arrow.  Instead Milligan made the two free throws and F&M led by three.

Regarding Coach Small------he never sits during a game. He is incapable of sitting for over 5 seconds at a time.   He is always back and forth in the bench area.  Most of the time he is yelling instructions to his players not at the refs.  You failed to report that Coach GRob  ran to center court in the first half yelling at the refs claiming that he did not call a time out.  No technical there.  Balanced officiating----I don't think so.  Coach Small is not a whiner.  He works the officials as they all do. including GRob---the master.  Coach Small gets one technical every two years or so.  I believe the last one he had was at JHU in 2008 under similar circumstances.

Ursinus lost the game---so the record says.  The primary reason was an inability to control Milligan on a night when he was terrific.  Unfortunately one official decided to help determine the outcome of the game.  Did Coach Small deserve the "T"?  Yes he did under normal in game circumstances----but who ever heard of an official calling a technical in a tight game with 9 seconds to go.

As a side note, after the game, several F&M fans came by the Ursinus fans and apologized for the officiating.  Nice group of people in Lancaster.  The Dips have a wonderful team that is capable of winning without help.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 04, 2009, 08:28:54 PM
Not much sense disagreeing about the fouls, every fan sees the game from a different point of view. Even before the game started, the fans sitting around me were concerned about one of the officials who seems to always call a lot of fouls on F&M.  The foul count at the end was 20 apiece.  I know Baker was frustrated with several of the fouls called on him.  Robinson probably deserved a technical, but I think the official knew he was wrong.  I was sitting near Robinson when he told Giorgio to call a foul when he got the ball inside the arc so F&M could run an inbound play from under the basketball.  The official called a timeout which hadn't been called for and then a called a full time out on his own.  Officiating will never be completely fair since the game is played at a high tempo and the officials can't always be in the right spot to call the foul.
As I said earlier, Ursinus will be a team to reckon with as they gain more experience.  They have capable and quality players at all positions. The game at Ursinus will be another battle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 04, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on December 04, 2009, 06:21:20 PM
Unfortunately one official decided to help determine the outcome of the game.

It was a tough game for anyone to lose. But are you saying that Ursinus lost because of the officiating? It seemed to me that two consecutive offensive rebounds by F&M with about one minute left was the real difference. The ensuing jumper by Beckford was the biggest shot of the night. I didn't think the technical on Small determined the outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 04, 2009, 11:40:22 PM
all the events determined the outcome of the ursinus f&m game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on December 05, 2009, 11:16:26 AM
Hopefully not too late for Saturday picks.  Not tip=off time yet.

F&M (ouch, that hurts)
Haverford
Washington (a surprise upset)
Ursinus
Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 05, 2009, 12:27:08 PM
Picks for 12/5

F & M
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Johns Hopkins

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 05, 2009, 12:34:23 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for today's games:

Hopkins
F&M
Ursinus
Muhlenber
Gettysburg

Brr! It is snowing up here. Enjoy the games. Good luck!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 05, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on December 04, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on December 04, 2009, 06:21:20 PM
Unfortunately one official decided to help determine the outcome of the game.

It was a tough game for anyone to lose. But are you saying that Ursinus lost because of the officiating? It seemed to me that two consecutive offensive rebounds by F&M with about one minute left was the real difference. The ensuing jumper by Beckford was the biggest shot of the night. I didn't think the technical on Small determined the outcome.

r.w.

I said the primary reason they lost was their inability to control Milligan and that the #***& officiating helped.  I agree that the two offensive boards were big. However, the two free throws Milligan made with 21 seconds to go after the "scrum" with Donahue on a very questionable call together with the two free throws after the technical were arguably the difference in the game.

Having said that, F&M is good----really good and probably would have and should have won on this night if it went to overtime.  F&M seems to be better this year than last.  Their outside shooting should not be a worry for you Dips fans based on what I saw on Wednesday.  F&M's perimeter defense is outstanding---in fact, their defense in general is great.  I don't know how the year will turn out, the only thing I know is that Ursinus will show up for the return match on February 3.  Buckle your seat belts!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 05, 2009, 01:58:39 PM
12/5 picks:

F&M
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Johns Hopkins

Safe travels to all...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 05, 2009, 05:13:25 PM
McDaniel beats F&M yet again in Westminster, 60-51. It looks like a carbon copy of last year's game at the Gill Center, which has become somewhat of a house of horrors for the Dips. Does anyone have a report from the game?

The Dips seem to leave their offense on the bus when they travel, scoring 59 points at LVC and 51 today.

In an even bigger shocker to me, Ursinus loses to Swat, 74-68.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 05, 2009, 05:27:41 PM
What a game by Swarthmore! I am so shocked and happy! I thought they were due, just not today! =)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 05, 2009, 07:24:37 PM
McDaniel's agressive, swarming zone defense thwarted any attempt by F&M to run its offense.
McDaniel doubled team the ball constantly and tied up F&M efforts to make a play.  Robinson went with a 4 guard offense in an effort to move the ball better.  McNally got few touches, therefore having little opportunity to have an effect on the outcome of the game.  Nevertheless, he had 15 points and 9 rebounds.  Brooks tried to make the offense run and scored 16 points with 6 rebounds.  F&M committed many turnovers on careless and less than crisp passing.  On offensive McDaniel ran the clock well and told most of their shots in the waning minutes of the shot clock.  Despite the fact that several shots were off balanced or highly contested, they dropped through the bucket.  McDaniel's quick passes opened up numerous easy shots for Sarris-Gray who played an outstanding game.  Jarboe played an outstanding game even managing to stay in the game with four fouls for much of the last half of the second half.  Dyson made several nice shots in the first half to help the Terrors open up a three point half time lead.  Georgio struggled throughout the game.
Unfortunately, F&M was without Tolliver(missing his three point presence was well-noted after watching Salvati launch several ill-advised threes) and Henry(still recovering from his elbow injury)
Next F&M game Wednesday against Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2009, 09:05:21 AM
I was not at the Ursinus/Swat game but it sounds as if Swat slowed the pace to their liking----used some  box and one and triangle and two defenses.  Obviously, they were trying to negate Hilton and Cousart.  The other Bears simply did not step up.  As a team, they were simply outplayed in every aspect of the game.  That was the first time Swat has beaten Ursinus since Kevin Small was an assistant at Swat in the 1998-1999 season.


Now, they must regroup and learn.  I think they will.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 06, 2009, 01:49:43 PM
Sounds like Swarthmore and McDaniel had the right defenses for Ursinus and F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 06, 2009, 04:35:24 PM

Fellow Progrnoticators -

Ouch, what a bad Saturday for the pickers and their crystal balls and/or tea leaves! The following are the current standings including the results from Saturday, the cummulative totals, and the win-loss percentage:

   12/05   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GODIPS04   3 – 2   19 – 6   .760
OLD ENDS   3 – 2   11 – 4   .733
GABRIEL   2 – 3   18 – 7   .720
BRCE4   3 – 2   17 – 8   .680
BTEXPRESS   2 – 3   17 – 8   .680
D. B. COOPER   2 – 3   17 – 8   .680
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 – 2   15 – 10   .600
R. W. MCNICKLES   1 – 4   15 – 10   .600
RESERVED SEAT   1 – 4   14 – 11   .560
DIVISION3   2 – 3   9 – 8   .529
OLD MAN TERROR   1 – 4   3 – 6   .333
         
I didn't make it down to Westminster due to the weather. It looks like the injuries and the lack of a consistent outside shooting game are taking their toll on the Diplomats.

I will post the list of Wednesday's final games before break shortly.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 06, 2009, 05:10:35 PM


Folks -

According to the 2010 Centennial COnference Men's Basketball Guide, the following are the games for this week:

Monday 12/7

Swarthmore @ Widener

Wednesday, 12/9

Dickinson @ Muhlenberg
Gettysburg @ F&M
Haverford @ Ursinus
Swarthmore @ Washington

Thursday, 12/10

Dickinson @ Williamson Trade

Saturday, 12/12

Widener @ Gettysburg
Muhlenberg @ Moravian

I am not sure about the game on Thursday night. Does anyone have a better schedule and know for sure? Please advise. Thanks.

Remember, all selections are due by tip-off. Have fun! Enjoy the games. Good luck! Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on December 06, 2009, 07:43:43 PM
I am hoping to "rebound" after a rough Saturday...brutal.  Anything can happen, especially this time of year when students have other things on their minds.  So here is my "shot" at this weeks early games.

Monday 12/7:

Widener

Wednesday, 12/9:

Muhlenberg
F&M
Ursinus
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 06, 2009, 08:04:14 PM
eric
i am barely over .500...need to step up in my predictions!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 07, 2009, 12:25:30 AM
12/7 picks:
Widener

12/9 picks:
Muhlenberg (mule cavern rules)
Gettysburg (Dips in turmoil, devastated by too many injuries)
Ursinus (Must win this one, plus back in the friendly confines)
Washington (Doubt if SWAT can do it again in the House of Cain)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 07, 2009, 08:12:01 AM
Monday
Widener
Wed
Mules always tough at home
F&M  can't lose 2 in a row can they
Ursinus at home and likely in a foul mood
Washington CC teams tend to struggle in Chestertown
Thurs
Williamson Trade
Sat
Widener in a close one at Gburg
Mules Greyhounds are rebuilding
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 07, 2009, 08:15:45 AM
Hope this is a better week.  My teams lost in every sport last week.

12/7/2009

Widner (I hope Swat wins but road wins will be tough)

12/9/2009

Muhlenberg (Home court)
F&M  (Back home)
Ursinus (Will right the ship after 5 of 6 on the road)
Washington (Home court)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 07, 2009, 09:28:43 AM
From my shattered crystal ball...


12/7 pick:

Widener (can Swat pull off another surprise?)

12/9 picks:

Muhlenberg
F&M
Ursinus
Washington

The home teams should do well on Wednesday. F&M-Gettysburg could go to the wire -- even without Capkin and Dorsey, I think the Bullets will give the Dips trouble. But maybe the losing streak to Gettysburg finally ends. Any word on when Henry and Tolliver will return to the lineup?

Eric, it was still a bad showing for me, but I think I went 2-3 instead of 1-4 on Saturday...

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 07, 2009, 12:33:31 PM
Here are my picks, I need to right the ship.

12/7 WIDENER over Swat ( Don't see two upsets in a row)

12/9
MUHLENBERG over Dickinson ( It's becoming a tough year in Carlisle)
F & M over Gburg( The Dips get things going again)
URSINUS over Haverfords ( The Fords will not roll over)
WASHINGTON over Swarthmore ( have a feeling on this one)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 07, 2009, 03:30:51 PM



Here is my pick for the game tonight (12/07):

Widener over Swarthmore.

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 07, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Hard to get a handle on the teams. My previous picks are a good indication of having no knowledge as to the strength of each team.
Monday 12/7

Widener

Wednesday, 12/9
Muhlenberg
F&M
Ursinus
Washington

Thursday, 12/10

Williamson Trade

Saturday, 12/12

Widener
Moravian
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on December 07, 2009, 07:41:23 PM
Wow, hope its not too late.  First chance to get online today.  I knew I should not have picked against the Terror on Saturday.  McDaniel always seems to match up well with F & M.  Here's my shot at the week:

Monday
Widener.  I agree; two in a row for Swat not in the cards.

Wednesday
Muhlenberg
F & M.  Not two in a row.  Not with the second at home.
Ursinus.  Just too much
Washington.  Its a long ride to Chestertown.

Thursday

Dickinson

Saturday
Widener.  Unfortunately having their way with the cc this year.
Muhlenberg.  Just to much for Moravian this year.  Coach Walker's team will struggle this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 07, 2009, 07:54:02 PM
widener
muhlenberg
f&m
ursinus
washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 07, 2009, 08:58:40 PM
thurs
williamson trade

sat
muhlenberg
widener
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 07, 2009, 09:01:39 PM


R. W. -

Right you are. Still can't read my own writing. Here are corrected standings. Sorry about that.

   12/05   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GODIPS04   3 – 2   19 – 6   .760
OLD ENDS   3 – 2   11 – 4   .733
GABRIEL   2 – 3   18 – 7   .720
BRCE4   3 – 2   17 – 8   .680
BTEXPRESS   2 – 3   17 – 8   .680
D. B. COOPER   2 – 3   17 – 8   .680
R. W. MCNICKLES   2 – 3   16 – 9   .640
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 – 2   15 – 10   .600
RESERVED SEAT   1 – 4   14 – 11   .560
DIVISION3   2 – 3   9 – 8   .529
OLD MAN TERROR   1 – 4   3 – 6   .333
         
Thanks for catching my mistake. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 08, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Picks for the week

Weds  12/9
Muhlenberg
F & M
Ursinus
Washington

Thurs 12/10
Dickinson

Sat 12/12
Widner
Muhlenberg

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 08, 2009, 03:14:37 PM
Congrats to Will Gates Swarthmore Freshman CC Player of the week.

Click Here:http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2010/MBK_1207.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2010/MBK_1207.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 08, 2009, 06:30:06 PM


Fellow Diplomat Fans -

I have to say that I was very surprised that the Dips only dropped from # 10 to # 16 in the latest Top 25 Poll. Given their loss at McDaniel, I expected a much larger drop, perhaps even out of the Top 25 altogether. Any thoughts?

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on December 08, 2009, 06:43:54 PM
I'm sure beating #12 St Mary's and #43 Ursinus helped.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 08, 2009, 06:49:23 PM


Yes, but I would have thought that their weak road loss to unranked McDaniel would cost them more than their two close wins at home against the two ranked teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 08, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
Thanks Old Ends! I am amazed at how positive this board is. From where I come from, the high school boards were so negative.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 08, 2009, 07:04:48 PM


Fellow Prognosticators -

Since everyone correctly picked Widener over Swarthmore in last night's sole game, I will hold off on updating the "Pick-Ems" standings until after Wednesday evening's four games. Regards.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 09, 2009, 09:26:36 AM


Folks -

Here are my picks for tonight's games.

Muhlenberg
F&M
Ursinus
Washington

Based on your picks, it loks like we will all do very well or very poorly as we are almost all of the same mind. I don't know if I will make Mayser Center tonight. Mid-week games are tough for me with the two-hour traveling time each way!

Enjoy the games. Good Luck! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 09, 2009, 07:39:26 PM
Swat Dad,, I wondered if you might know that player of the week,,,, Congrats
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 09, 2009, 10:16:29 PM
F&M won a hard fought battle with Gettysburg tonight 61-52.
Gettysburg opened an early lead as they drained a number of quick threes.
Unfortunately for Gettysburg, Powers picked up 2 fouls and went to the bench as F&M built a half-time.  With Powers back in for the second half; Gettysburg made a run but were never able to get over the hump to take a lead.  Most of Gettysburg offense runs through Powers which makes their offense predictable.  F&M had a balance scoring attack with four players in the low teens.
Neither team had much foul trouble, other than Powers first half two and F&M's Henry with 3 in the first half.  I assume Henry's elbow was bothering him since he saw no action in the second half.
Assists- turnovers- steals
12-21-5 Gettysburg
14-12-10 F&M
F&M still has a lot of room for improvement, since the offense doesn't look as smooth as last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 09, 2009, 10:24:10 PM
Picks for 12/10

Williamson Trade


12/12 picks

Widener
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 10, 2009, 06:08:53 AM
Thanks again Old Ends, I do know him a little. I just wish he hit the laundry bin when he is home a tad more often. I am so impressed with the level of play in this league! Some terrific teams, players and coaches! Everyone have a wonderful holiday season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 10, 2009, 09:40:33 AM
Picks

Friday 2/11

Williamson Trade

Saturday 2/12

Widner
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 10, 2009, 10:29:18 AM
Picks for upcoming games:

FRIDAY
Dickinson ( Devils get first win of the year)

SATURDAY
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 10, 2009, 11:40:28 AM


Fellow Prognosticators -

As promised, here are the standings including the games of Monday and Wednesday of this week:

   12/07-09   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GODIPS04   5 – 0   24 – 6   .800
OLD ENDS   4 – 0   15 – 4   .789
GABRIEL   5 – 0   23 – 7   .767
BRCE4   5 – 0   22 – 8   .733
BTEXPRESS   5 – 0   22 – 8   .733
D. B. COOPER   4 – 1   21 – 9   .700
R. W. MCNICKLES   5 – 0   21 – 9   .700
DIPLOMANIAC1   5 – 0   20 – 10   .667
DIVISION3   5 – 0   14 – 8   .636
RESERVED SEAT   5 – 0   19 – 11   .633
OLD MAN TERROR   5 – 0   8 – 6   .571
         
Enjoy the games. Regards.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 10, 2009, 08:11:35 PM
Well who is going to win it? Your chance to vote
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on December 11, 2009, 06:51:46 AM
what happened to all the previous posts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on December 11, 2009, 06:56:20 AM
Picks:

Friday, December 11
Dickinson

Saturday, December 12
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg

How are we picking the Messiah Tourny with Dickinson?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 11, 2009, 07:05:15 AM
picks

williamson trade

widener
muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 11, 2009, 05:37:34 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for the games to be held tonight and tomorrow:

Dickinson vs. Williamson Trade:  Dickinson (Red Deveils finally get their first win of the season).

Widener @ Gettysburg:  Widener (Should be a close game. Bullets' inexperienice hurts them).

Muhlenberg @ Moravian: Muhlenberg (Even if it is a "back-yard" rivalry, this appears to be a major rebuilding year for the Greyhounds).

Have a great weekend and enjoy the games. Good Luck! Regards,

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 11, 2009, 05:43:55 PM


Folks -

After I find out who wins tonigh'ts game involving Dickinson and their prospective opponent, I will the post tomorrow's Red Devil games for picks. Check back later on. However, if you find out before I do, feel free to post and list it for picking. All picks in that game will be due by tip-off time.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 11, 2009, 06:52:28 PM
Tonight's pick:

Dickinson

12/12 picks:

Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 11, 2009, 07:26:39 PM
I believe the previous posts were for last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 11, 2009, 10:23:57 PM
Dickinson beats Williamson TS: 55-50 (In what I considered an upset for 1st win)

12/12 now adds Dickinson- Valley Forge Christian College for the title

My pick Dickinson (hard to get an handle on how good VFCC is)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 11, 2009, 11:38:47 PM
I previously picked Widener and Muhlenberg for Saturday. Add Valley Forge Christian to best Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 12, 2009, 08:52:10 AM
i pick
valley forge christian
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 12, 2009, 10:53:07 AM
Pick for today, DICKINSON over VFC( now that the young Devils learned how to win last night, they make it two in a row)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 12, 2009, 11:34:01 AM
Saturday Picks 12/.12/2009

Widner
Muhlenberg
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 12, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Interesting tidbit. John Carroll is currently ranked #2 in the D3 Hoops poll.  Their starting center is Matt Crozier, a 2008 graduate of LaSalle College High School.  At 6'7", he is currently averaging 13 points and 9 rebounds per game with an average of only 21 minutes of playing time.  As a freshman, he was a very productive 6th man.

Matt Crozier was very, very, very close to attending Ursinus, however, it was not to be.  Wouldn't he have looked good in a Bears uniform this year and last. As you may recall, LaSalle is the school that sent Nick Shattuck, Dennis Stanton, Will Furey and Steve Erfle to Ursinus.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 12, 2009, 12:35:52 PM
It looks like someone started a new room - there are two Centennial rooms.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 12, 2009, 12:54:37 PM
Today's pick:

Dickinson (Devils get two in a row)


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 12, 2009, 04:37:58 PM


Folks -

Thanks for posting the match-up for tonight's Dickinson game. I have been away from my pc most of the day!

My pick for tonight is Dickinson as they go for two wins in a row!

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 13, 2009, 06:37:31 PM

Fellow Prognosticators -

Well, we certainly had a very "mixed bag" of results with the games of Friday night and Saturday night. Individual win-loss records were all over the place from 3 -0 to 0-3 and everywhere in between!

Here are the standings including those games. The weekend game records; the cummulative "to-date" totals; and the win-loss percentages are shown for all participants. They are listed below:

   12/11 - 12/12   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GODIPS04   3 – 0   27 – 6   .818
OLD ENDS   2 – 1   17 – 5   .773
BTEXPRESS   3 – 1   25 – 9   .735
BRCE4   2 – 2   24 – 10   .706
GABRIEL   1 – 3   24 – 10   .706
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 1   24 – 10   .706
D. B. COOPER   1 – 3   22 – 12   .647
DIPLOMANIAC1   2 – 2   22 – 12   .647
DIVISION3   2 – 2   16 – 10   .615
OLD MAN TERROR   2 – 1   10 – 7   .588
RESERVED SEAT   0 – 3   19 – 14   .576
         
Let me know if I have any inaccuracies in the standings. Thanks. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 13, 2009, 07:53:19 PM


Folks -

According to the schedule contained in the Centennial Conference's Men's Basketball Guide, there are nine (9) upcoming games involving conference teams during this coming week and early the following week. For our "Pick-Ems" purposes, they include those contests listed below:

Tuesday, December 15

Wesley   @   Washington
Moravian   @   Muhlenberg

Wednesday, Friday, December 18

Haverford   @   Cabrini

Saturday, December 19

Salisbury   @   Washington

Sunday, December 20

Dickinson   @   Lycoming
Muhlenberg   @   Elizabethtown

Monday, December 21

Haverford   @   Elon
Washington   @   Wesley

Tuesday, December 22

Ursinus   @   Immaculata

The above games appear to finish out the schedules of most (six) Centennial Comference teams until the the Holiday Tournaments begin after Christmas. I will post those games when it gets closer to the end of the month. Four teams (Diplomats, Blue Jays, Green Terror, and Bullets) are done now for finals and until after Christmas.

Please remember that all picks are due by tip-off time. Good luck to all pickers! Enjoy the games. Have a great week! Regards to all.

Eric

P. A. - We had an ice storm up here today. So, remember to be safe out there when you are doing that holiday shoping!


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mcdanielsid on December 13, 2009, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on December 13, 2009, 07:53:19 PM
Tuesday, December 15

Wesley   @   Washington
Moravian   @   Muhlenberg

Just as an FYI - it appears that schedule is outdated. As far as I know (and the conference website supports this). The only game Tuesday night is Lebanon Valley at McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 14, 2009, 11:21:33 AM
12/15 pick

McDaniel (close call, home cooking may be difference)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 14, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
Pick for 12/15

LVC over McDaniel ( still have the LVC upset win over F & M on my mind)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 14, 2009, 04:24:26 PM


My pick for tonight -

McDaniel over LVC (Terror holds serve at home)

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 14, 2009, 05:49:24 PM
I like McDaniel over LVC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on December 14, 2009, 08:07:26 PM
My Picks:

Tuesday, December 15
LVC

Friday, December 18

Cabrini

Saturday, December 19

Salisbury   

Sunday, December 20

Lycoming
Elizabethtown

Monday, December 21

Elon
Wesley

Tuesday, December 22

Ursinus   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 14, 2009, 08:32:24 PM
My picks are:

Tuesday 12/15
McDaniel

Friday 12/18
Cabrini

Saturday 12/19
Salisbury

Sunday 12/20
Lycoming
Elizabethtown

Monday 12/21
Elon
Wesley

Tuesday 12/22
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 14, 2009, 10:50:43 PM
tuesday
mcdaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 15, 2009, 08:09:21 AM
my picks

Friday
Cabrini

Saturday
Salisbury

Sunday
Lycoming
Elizabethtown

Monday
Elon
Wesley

Tuesday
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 15, 2009, 01:52:01 PM
12/15 pick:

McDaniel

I like the Green Terror in a close one -- don't think it will be the blowout that LVC suffered at Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 15, 2009, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on December 15, 2009, 01:52:01 PM
12/15 pick:
McDaniel

. . .  don't think it will be the blowout that LVC suffered at Ursinus.

Lord! I hope not ....   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 15, 2009, 07:29:26 PM
I hope I'm picking the right games
Tuesday, December 15
LVC
Wesley
Muhlenberg

Wednesday, Friday, December 18

Cabrini

Saturday, December 19

Salisbury

Sunday, December 20

Lycoming
Elizabethtown

Monday, December 21

Haverford
Wesley

Tuesday, December 22

Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 15, 2009, 07:43:57 PM
Picks

12/15---Lebanon Valley

12/18---Cabrini

12/19--- Salisbury

12/20--- Lycoming  & Muhlenberg

12/21-- Haverford & Wesley

12/22--  Ursinus

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 15, 2009, 07:50:45 PM
nothing happen to the old post... This is just for the poll above. Vote and make a comment or just vote..

Still go to the other board for the rest of the post.

;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 16, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Rest of the picks

12/18

Cabrini

12/19

Washington

12/20

Lycoming
Elizabethtown

12/21

Elon
Wesley

12/22

Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 17, 2009, 12:29:23 AM
Friday
I like Cabrini in a close game with Haverford
Saturday
Salisbury over the shoremen
Sunday
Lycoming over Dickinson
Mules over E-town, teams play a similar style Mules size may be the difference
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 17, 2009, 11:10:47 AM
Here are my picks:

FRIDAY
Cabrini ( should be a close game)

SATURDAY
Salisbury
Lycoming

SUNDAY
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on December 17, 2009, 08:01:57 PM
Here are a few picks.  Missed a game or two but here goes:

12/18---Cabrini beats Haverford

12/19---Washington over Salisbury.  Pullin' for the Centennial.

12/20---Lycoming over Dickinson
             Elizabethtown beats Muhlenburg.  Frustrating loss for the Mules.
12/21---Washington beats Wesley for two in a row out of conference.

12/22---Ursinus beats Immaculata. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 18, 2009, 04:14:53 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for the games over the next few days:

Cabrini over Haverford
Washington over Salisbury
Lycoming over Dickinson
Elizabethtown over Muhlenberg (a tough very close game/hard to handicap)
Washington over Wesley
Ursinus over Immaculata

Enjoy the games. Good Luck! Watch out for the coming snow storm. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 18, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
My picks for the games over the next few days:

Cabrini
Washington
Lycoming
Elizabethtown
Elon
Wesley
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 21, 2009, 09:06:01 AM
Final picks for the 1st semester
Elon
Wesley
Ursinus
Happy Holidays to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 22, 2009, 09:24:59 AM
Totally forgot to get my picks in for last night's games. Good thing for me that they were both postponed. Not sure when they will be made up. I am going with URSINUS in tonight's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 22, 2009, 05:30:23 PM
Haverford-Elon game has been canceled--will not be played.
Washington-Wesley game is listed as postponed.  Do not know when or if it will be played.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 23, 2009, 04:15:30 PM
Entertaining game at Helfferich Hall last night with Ursinus defeating Immaculata 90-87 in OT.  Neither team played particularly well---rusty from the layoff I would guess.  Ursinus trailed by 7 points with 47 seconds to play in OT and still won by 3.  Wow!!!  The Bears play had some positives and some negatives.
The positives:
1.  31 points from Remy Cousart with 26 coming in the second half and OT
2.  20 points from Matt Hilton with several in the clutch at the end.  This despite a very cold shooting night.
3.  Double digits from each of the three freshman starters---they kept Ursinus in the game in the first half even though they trailed by 8 at halftime.
4.  Pulling the game out at the end despite trailing much of the game.  Good experience for the young Bears to see what happens if you keep playing hard.

The negatives:
1.  22 turnovers
2.  Keith Page with a line of 0-1 FG, 2 rebounds, 5 fouls, 1 assist, zero points in 15 minutes.
3. Zero points from the bench in 46 minutes of playing time.

Mike Walther's return in January should help bench production but Page must start playing better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 23, 2009, 05:29:00 PM


Fellow prognosticators -

I have now compiled and updated our "pickems" standings to include the five games played from 12/15 through and including 12/22 (last night). They are shown below:

   12/15-12/22   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GODIPS04   4 – 1   31 – 7   .816
GABRIEL   5 – 0   29 – 10   .744
R. W. MCNICKLES   5 – 0   29 – 10   .744
OLD ENDS   3 – 2   20 – 7   .741
BRCE4   4 – 1   28 – 11   .718
BTEXPRESS   3 – 2   28 – 11   .718
D. B. COOPER   5 – 0   27 – 12   .692
DIPLOMANIAC1   5 – 0   27 – 12   .692
DIVISION3   5 – 0   21 – 10   .677
OLD MAN TERROR   4 – 0   14 – 7   .667
RESERVED SEAT   4 – 1   23 – 15   .605

The list above shows the individual records for games played since the last standings were posted; the cummulative records; and everyone's Win-Loss percentage. All in all, just about eveyone had a very good week!

Regards. Merry Christmas to all!

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 23, 2009, 05:31:28 PM


Gabriel -

Thanks for the concise reporting on the Usinus game last night. You offered some interesting observations that we will have to keep an eye on and track as the season goes along. Have a great holiday weekend!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 23, 2009, 06:21:11 PM


Fellow "Pickems" Contestants -

From the Centennial Conference website, the following is a listing of the next batch of games involving Conference teams over the coming holiday season:

Monday, December 28:

Ursinus vs. Merchant Marine   (@ Florida Tournament)

Tuesday, December 29:

McDaniel vs. Saint Lawrence   (@ Saint John Fisher Tournament)
Johns Hopkins vs. Pitt-Bradford   (@ Nazareth Tournament)
Ursinus vs. Carroll University   (@ Florida Tournament)

Wednesday, December 30:

McDaniel vs. Saint Vincent/Saint John Fisher winner   (@ Saint John Fisher Tournament)
Johns Hopkins vs. Albright/Nazareth winner   (@ Nazareth Tournament)

Saturday, January 2 (2010):

Susquehanna @ F&M
Gettysburg vs. Medgar Evers   (@ York College, PA Tournament)
Swarthmore vs. Washington & Lee   (@ Washington & Lee Tournament)

Sunday, January 3:

Brooklyn @ F&M   (Sponaugle Tournament)
Gettysburg vs. Rosemont/York winner   (@ York College, PA Tournament)
Swarthmore vs. Drew.Emory winner   (@ Washington & Lee Tournamment)

Monday, Jaunary 4:

Haverford @ Immaculata

I belive that there are thirteen (13) games in all. All picks are due by tip-off time! If you find out the tournament winners and second game match-ups before I do, please feel free to post for all to see and pick from.

Good luck. Enjoy the games. Regards and safe holiday travels to all.

Eric




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 23, 2009, 10:27:55 PM
diplomaniac1,
For the January 3rd game for F&M, should that game be F&M versus the winner of Brooklyn/Manhattenville?

Thanks for the updates.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on December 24, 2009, 10:30:06 AM
My Picks:

Monday, December 28:
Ursinus

Tuesday, December 29:
Saint Lawrence 
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus

Wednesday, December 30:
McDaniel
Johns Hopkins

Saturday, January 2 (2010):
F&M
Gettysburg
Washington & Lee 

Sunday, January 3:
F&M   
Gettysburg
Swarthmore

Monday, Jaunary 4:
Immaculata

Have a happy and safe Holiday season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 24, 2009, 07:57:25 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on December 23, 2009, 06:21:11 PM



Monday, December 28:

Merchant Marine  

Tuesday, December 29:

McDaniel
Pitt-Bradford  
Carroll University  

Wednesday, December 30:

McDaniel
Johns Hopkins
Saturday, January 2 (2010):

F&M
Gettysburg
Washington & Lee  

Sunday, January 3:

Brooklyn
Gettysburg
Drew.Emory winner   (@ Washington & Lee Tournamment)

Monday, Jaunary 4:

Immaculata
I belive that there are thirteen (13) games in all. All picks are due by tip-off time! If you find out the tournament winners and second game match-ups before I do, please feel free to post for all to see and pick from.

Good luck. Enjoy the games. Regards and safe holiday travels to all.

Eric

Have a good one to all. Becareful and enjoy





picks for the holiday week
enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 25, 2009, 08:52:44 PM
Monday, December 28:

Ursinus

Tuesday, December 29:
Saint Lawrence
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus vs. Carroll University   (@ Florida Tournament)

Wednesday, December 30:

McDaniel vs. Saint Vincent/Saint John Fisher winner   (@ Saint John Fisher Tournament)
Johns Hopkins vs. Albright/Nazareth winner   (@ Nazareth Tournament)

Saturday, January 2 (2010):

F&M
Gettysburg
Washington & Lee

Sunday, January 3:

F&M   (Sponaugle Tournament)
Gettysburg vs. Rosemont/York winner   (@ York College, PA Tournament)
Swarthmore vs. Drew.Emory winner   (@ Washington & Lee Tournamment)

Monday, Jaunary 4:

Haverford 

Rest of picks to come later
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 26, 2009, 02:38:58 PM
Picks for Monday and Tuesday

Monday 12/28/09

Ursinus

Tuesday 12/29/09

Ursinus
St Lawrence
Johns Hopkins

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 26, 2009, 02:59:01 PM
F&M and Ursinus have long had a different scheduling strategy for non conference games.  In their first ten games:   F&M will have played eight of the ten at home and Ursinus will have played only three of ten at home.

Which is the better strategy and why?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 26, 2009, 11:22:55 PM
Upcoming Picks

12/28: Merchant Marines

12/29: St. Lawrence
            Johns Hopkins
            Ursinus

12/30: McDaniel
            Albright?

1/2: F&M
        Gettysburg
        Washington & Lee

1/3: F&M
        York?
        SWAT   

1/4: Immaculata
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 27, 2009, 09:12:58 AM
Picks for Tuesday and Wednesday
Merchant Marine Academy hate to pick against Bears because of 3 point shooting ability but MMA is tough
St. Lawrence
Hopkins
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 27, 2009, 11:48:16 AM
My picks for the beginning of the week:

MONDAY 12/28
Ursinus

TUESDAY 12/29
McDaniel
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on December 27, 2009, 08:45:00 PM
Picks for the week.  Gonna be bold and even give picks for "2nd" games in tourney action

12/28                    Ursinus

12/29                    McDaniel
                             Hopkins
                             Carroll

12/30                    McDaniel(irrespective of opponant)
                             NOT Hopkins (ouch for them)

1/2                        F & M
                             Gettysburg
                             Washington & Lee

1/3                        F & M
                              Gettysburg
                             NOT Swarthmore


1/4                        Immaculata
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 28, 2009, 09:33:09 AM
12/28
merchant marine

12/29
st lawrence
hopkins
ursnus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 28, 2009, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on December 26, 2009, 02:59:01 PM
F&M and Ursinus have long had a different scheduling strategy for non conference games.  In their first ten games:   F&M will have played eight of the ten at home and Ursinus will have played only three of ten at home.

Which is the better strategy and why?


This is pretty simple... Coach Glenn Robinson wants the home court advantage. It is never surprising to see the Diplomats play a lot of non-conference games at home... especially thanks to tournaments. The trick is to nail Robinson down to a home-and-home contract to make sure F&M travels the next year for the same opponent - something I do believe St. Mary's secured.

Anyway, Coach Robinson and F&M love thier home court advantage and do their best to find opponents that are not only quality ones, but also willing to play in Lancaster. While the Dips may have to travel a little bit more next year... they still will probably have a lot of home games next year.

Ursinus... probably the way it worked out. You will have to check with them, but home-and-home contracts and other factors may have played into that non-conference schedule. It also depends on the number of tournaments a team plays on the road - that skews the numbers a bit.

Help? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 28, 2009, 06:02:05 PM


Folks -

Welcome back! Here are my picks for tonight's and tomorrow's games (total of four games):

Merchant Marine

Saint Lawrence

Johns Hopkins

Ursinus

I hope that everyone had a enjoyable, relaxing, and safe Christmas and an outstanding long holiday weekend! Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 29, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
Here are my picks for tonight:

St. Lawrence
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 30, 2009, 09:11:30 AM
Picks for the rest of the week

Weds 12/30

St John Fisher
Albright

Sat 1/2
F&M
Gettysburg
Washington & Lee

Ursinus stunk last night.  There were no positives from the game. Careless with the ball, they shot poorly and they defended not at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on December 30, 2009, 10:33:54 AM
wed
st john fisher
albright

sat
f&m
gettysburg
washington&lee
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 30, 2009, 10:55:59 AM
Here are my picks:

12/30
St John Fisher
Albright

1/2

F & M
Gettsburg
Washington & Lee
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 30, 2009, 05:21:38 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for tonight's two games:

McDaniel vs. St. John Fisher: St. John Fisher (slight edge to the home team)

Johns Hopkins vs. Albright: Johns Hopkins (just a hunch, nothing more as I know very little about Albright this year)

Enjoy the games. Good luck! Bring on the regular conference game season! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 31, 2009, 01:15:55 PM
On both the Centennial Conference site and D 3 Hoops it shows Mary Washington is at Hopkins on Saturday January 2nd. If that is the case I will add HOPKINS as the winner and add them to my previous picks. Can someone confirm this.


Sat 1/2

F & M
Gettysburg
Washington & Lee
Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 31, 2009, 05:25:45 PM


Folks -

Based on the information provided by BTEXPRESS, you may add the following contest to your list of pick-em games:

Saturday, January 2

Mary Washington @ Johns Hopkins.

Picks due by tip-off.


BTE -

Thanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 31, 2009, 05:34:25 PM


Folks -

Here are my pick-em selections for the games involving Centennial Conference teams over the weekend:

Susquehanna @ F&M:  F&M

Gettysburg vs. Medgar Evers: Gettysburg

Swarthmore vs. Washington & Lee: Washington & Lee

Mary Washington vs. Johns Hopkins: Johns Hopkins

Brooklyn/Manhattenville winner vs. F&M: F&M

I will pick both the Gettysburg and Swarthmore games when I know what the final match-ups will actually be.

Welcome back. Good luck. Enjoy the games and travel safely in the New Year. Happy New Year to all! Regards,

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 01, 2010, 02:38:07 AM
1/2/10 add-on pick: Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 01, 2010, 09:33:00 AM
Picks

Saturday 1/2/10
F&M
Gettysburg
Wash & Lee

Sunday 1/3/10
F&M
Gettysburg
Swat

Monday 1/4/10
Immaculata

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 01, 2010, 11:13:32 AM
sat picks
F&M
Hopkins
Gettysburg
Washington and Lee
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 01, 2010, 05:31:06 PM
After being sick for a couple of days, I think I've lost track of my picks.  I sure I missed some.  I believe all my picks are in for Saturday except for the John Hopkins/Mary Washington game.
pick-John Hopkins
Will JH also have a game on Sunday?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: lizalan07 on January 02, 2010, 08:10:49 AM
Hopkins is hosting a 2 day tourny, so they will play on Sunday, with the other team to be determined. I noticed that Ferber-Miller did not play in the Blue Jay last game. Don't know why not. I hope he's still with the team and not injured. That would be a big blow to their game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 02, 2010, 11:23:41 PM
In another ugly, careless, and poorly-officiated game, F&M held on for a 87-80 win over Susquehanna.  F&M was able to hold Spencer to 13(most scored near the end of the game)
Susquehanna's 2 big freshmen played outstanding games.  Wilson seemed unconscious as he hit several shots from way out.  Fortunately for F&M, Wilson cooled off as the game went on.
Burke and Bryski seemed to be playing football instead of basketball.
Both sides suffered from poor officiating.  Touch fouls were being called away from the basket, and some physical fouls were missed under the basket.  Good defensive play earned a whistle.
F&M picked up 22 fouls putting several key players in foul trouble, limiting their minutes on the court. F&M had numerous players with 4 fouls for a good part of the last 10-12 minutes of the game. Henry played a lot of quality time for Baker and McNally.  Susquehanna was whistle for 27 fouls-with a half dozen or more coming when Susquehanna was in foul mode at the end of the game.  None of their players were in foul trouble. 
Despite some careless play, Milligan lead the team with 23 points, hitting several key threes when Susquehanna cut the margin to 2.  F&M had 16 turnovers.  McNally had 18 points including his 1,000th career point.  McNally, also, pulled down his 500th career rebound.
Beckford, Brooks, Henry, and Baker all reached double figures with 11 points each.
In the second half, F&M appeared reluctant to shot with everyone seeming to be afraid to pull the trigger.  Tolliver had no points, but played great defense on Spencer especially in the first half when Spencer had 4 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 03, 2010, 10:03:47 AM
sunday picks
F&M
Baruch
York
Drew
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 03, 2010, 10:18:47 AM
My Sunday Picks;

F & M
Baruch
York
Swarthmore (mild upset on a cold day)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2010, 02:52:23 PM
Picks
F&M
Baruch
Gettysburg
Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 03, 2010, 05:54:39 PM
Picks for Sunday & Monday

1/3/2010

F&M
JHU
York
Drew

1/4/2010
Immaculata
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2010, 11:00:21 PM
In a brawl at Mayser, F&M survived 63-57 againist Manhattanville.  In a game decided at the foul line, F&M converted numerous key fouls down the stretch, spending more time on the foul line than running plays.  Two key steals on Manhattanville's next to last two possessions allowed F&M to finish the game shooting 5 of 6 from the foul line.  Manhattanville was whistled for 28 fouls and F&M for 20 in one of the most physical games ever played at F&M.  It was a wonder that F&M's players were able to keep their shirts tucked in with all the shirt pulling.  Manhattanville sent in waves of players to harrass F&M's attempt to run any sort of offensive.  F&M countered by playing much more physically in the second half.  McNally struggled to get into the flow of the game and spent much time on the bench with foul trouble.  Milligan was able to get the ball down the court on most possessions and lead all scorers with 16 points.  Baker scored 10 points and pulled down an aggressive 12 boards.  Brooks added 12 points and 7 rebounds.  Manhattanville powered their way back into the game in the second half with their aggressive play.
Foul shooting
Manhattanville 16-24
F&M 29-41

F&M had 7 blocks to Manhattanville's 1.
Steals even at 10.
Turnovers(caused by the tenacious defenses) Manhattanville-22  F&M-20
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 04, 2010, 09:32:54 AM
My pick for tonight:

Immaculata over Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 04, 2010, 10:17:11 AM
tonight's pick
Haverford (upset)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 04, 2010, 11:06:14 AM
Tonights Pick: Immaculata
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 04, 2010, 03:44:01 PM
Sorry I missed some tourney picks.
Tonight Haverford over Immaculata
Wednesday return to conference play
F&M too strong for Fords
McDaniel should beat Shoremen even at Chestertown
Mules over JHU
Gettysburg over improved Swat
Ursinus beats Dickinson after tough tourney action
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 04, 2010, 05:56:19 PM
Conference Picks and here we go

Weds, 1/6/10
F&M
McDaniel
JHU
Gettysburg
Ursinus


Saturday 1/9/10
F&M
Ursinus
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Washington















satur
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 04, 2010, 06:06:02 PM
The Centennial Conference seems to be struggling outside the conference(non-conference record)
Muhlenberg    3-0    5-4(2-4)
McDaniel    2-0    6-3(4-3)
Franklin & Marshall    2-1    8-2(6-1)
Gettysburg    2-1    4-5(2-4)
Johns Hopkins    1-1    5-4(4-3)
Ursinus    1-2    5-5(4-3)
Washington    1-2    3-4(2-2)
Haverford    1-2    3-5(1-3)
Swarthmore    1-2    2-8(1-6)
Dickinson    0-3    0-8(0-5)

Total (26-34)

Picks for:
Wednesday, January 6
Haverford at #17 Franklin & Marshall(F&M)
McDaniel at Washington(McDaniel)
Muhlenberg at Johns Hopkins(JHU)
Swarthmore at Gettysburg(Gettysburg)
Ursinus at Dickinson(Ursinus)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on January 04, 2010, 11:23:09 PM
January 6 picks for conference play:
F & M
McDaniel (yes they can win in Chestertown)
JHU (Mules go down despite good conference start)
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 05, 2010, 01:01:25 AM
jan  6
F&M
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 05, 2010, 06:54:14 AM
Picks for:
Wednesday, January 6
F&M
McDaniel
Johns Hopkins
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 05, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
My picks for January 6th

F&M
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 05, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
Picks for Wed 1/6:

F&M
McDaniel
JHU
G-burg
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 06, 2010, 04:29:41 PM


Folks -

Welcome to conference play. The following are my picks for tonight's games:

F&M

McDaniel

Muhlenberg (tough call)

Gettysburg

Ursinus

I will try to get the finalized statistics from the first half pick-ems calculated and posted later this week. It is just a busy time at work for me. Also, since everyone didn't pick every game, it is requiring some extra effort to make sure that the standings will be correct!

Good luck! Enjoy the games. Happy New Year. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 06, 2010, 04:52:14 PM
Eric, we appreciate your efforts. I ran the pickems for the football side this season and even though they only played one game a week it was tough to keep track. With so many Basketball games on a weekly basis, it is hard just to keep up with picking each game, let alone keeping track!!! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 06, 2010, 05:19:58 PM
1/6 picks:

F&M
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
Ursinus

It is probably not wise to pick three road teams in conference play, but this is my best guess for tonight.

Thanks for running the picks, Eric...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 06, 2010, 10:48:33 PM
After a first half marred by poor shooting by both F&M and Haverford and a lack of rebounding by F&M, Haverford took a 21-19 lead into the locker room at half-time despite the fact that F&M scored the last 6 points of the half.  McNally kept F&M in the game with his team high 13 points in the first half.
The second half started slow for a minute or two, until F&M went on a scoring spree while holding the Fords to 2 points.  F&M then built of a 20 point lead until Haverford closed the gap against F&M's bench. McNally finished the game with 26 points and 13 rebounds.
Fouls were fairly even Fords-16  Dips-17
F&M converted 83% if their fouls 19-23
Haverford 63% on 10-16 shooting.
F&M can on to control the boards 42-32 despite their sluggish start.
Milligan was held to 2 points.
Henry(8) and Baker(7) followed McNally in scoring as F&M scored most of their points from the big men.
Friddell lead the Fords with 10 points.

F&M still needs to work on putting together 2 strong halves.
Beckford played outstanding especially in the second half when the Dips stepped up their defensive efforts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 07, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
Boy it has been a rough year in Carlisle. Their only win of the year doesn't even count according to the NCAA. I honestly think they will struggle to win one or two CC games this entire season. I thought things might change with a new coach, guess not!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 07, 2010, 07:28:29 PM



Fellow Prognosticators and Fans -

Happy New Year and welcome to the second half of the season featuring the regular conference games! Well, I have finally completed tallying and calculating the "Pick-Ems" statistics and standings from the first half of the season. To the best of my knowledge, they are as follows:

FIRST HALF
   12/28 TO 01/04   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
BTEXPRESS   13 – 2   41 – 13   .759
GODIPS04   7 – 6   38 – 13   .754
D. B. COOPER   11 – 3   38 – 15   .717
GABRIEL   9 – 5   38 – 15   .717
R. W. MCNICKLES   1 – 2   30 – 12   .714
DIPLOMANIAC1   8 – 3   35 – 15   .700
DIVISION3   11 – 4   32 – 14   .696
BRCE4   2 – 3   30 – 14   .682
OLD MAN TERROR   9 – 4   23 – 11   .676
OLD ENDS   7 – 6   27 – 13   .675
RESERVED SEAT   8 – 4   31 – 19   .620
         
Please double-check and triple-check the results shown versus the selections that you made or think that you made! It was really difficult to keep track of everyone's selections and records due to the two additional games added; the "rolling" nature of the picks over a long period of time; the partial picks; the "anybody but" picks; and some changes to the picks due to second thoughts! Let me know if there are any errors.

There was a fair amount of movement up and down the standings this time around as we had a varierty of records and some folks didn't pick all of the games or the bonus games. Kudos to BTEXPRESS, D. B. COOPER, and DIVISION3 for uncany use of their all-knowing crystal balls! Their records over the last two weeks really made a diffence in the final standings. A 7 - 6 record by Old Ends at the end of the first half really hurt! Overall, most of us were grouped fairly close together.

Congratulations! Enjoy. Feel free to let me know if any corrections or retrations will be needed! Regards to all.

Eric





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 07, 2010, 07:31:07 PM


BTEXPRESS -

I am not at all surprised by the difficulties being experienced in Carlisle by the Red Devils. Remember, they graduated eight seniors last year and got a new coach. Those two factors combined don't always lead to success right away!

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 07, 2010, 08:04:26 PM


Folks -

Well, those Shoremen sure were tough on the Terror in Chestertown and tough all of us "pickers"! Since none of us picked them they hung a loss on all ten of us.

The standing after the first game of the regular conference schedule are as follows:


SECOND HALF
   01/06   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
BRCE4   4 – 1   4 – 1   .800
BTEXPRESS   4 – 1   4 – 1   .800
DIPLOMANIAC1   4 – 1   4 – 1   .800
DIVISION3   4 – 1   4 – 1   .800
R. W. MCNICKLES   4 – 1   4 – 1   .800
D. B. COOPER   3 – 2   3 – 2   .600
GABRIEL   3 – 2   3 – 2   .600
GODIPS04   3 – 2   3 – 2   .600
OLD MAN TERROR   3 – 2   3 – 2   .600
RESERVED SEAT   3 – 2   3 – 2   .600
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000

All picks for Saturdays games are due by tip-off time. Good luck. Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 07, 2010, 08:08:33 PM
1-9-10 picks

F&M
Ursinus
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 08, 2010, 10:03:02 AM
Well, I wish I could say that I put a lot of time and effort into the pickems. Stayed up late studying the stats, looking at trends, win streaks, home court advantages, etc. If the truth be told, if a game was a toss up,  I'd reach into my pocket and flipped a quarter!!!!!! to pick the winner. (Ha Ha)

My picks for Saturday

F&M
Ursinus
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 08, 2010, 12:14:03 PM
picks
F&M
Ursinus
Haverford
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 08, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
1/9 picks
F&M
Ursinus
Dickinson
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 08, 2010, 06:35:07 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for Saturday's games:

F&M @ Swarthmore:   F&M

JHU @ Ursinus:   Ursinus (a tough call - home court edge)

Dickinson @ Haverford:   Haverford (just can't see the Devils winning on the road)

McDaniel @ Muhlenberg:   Muhlenberg (the dark "Mule Barn" is a very tough place to win on the road)

Gettysburg @ Wahington:   Gettysburg (Shoremen can't pull off two upsets in a row in Chestertown)

I will be making the trek to the Main Line on Saturday to see the Dips battle the Garnet at Tarble Pavilion.

Good luck. Travel safely and enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 08, 2010, 07:35:57 PM
Two years ago I was in the penthouse, now I'm in the basement.  Can't find my crystal ball.

F&M
Ursinus(still can't figure out why they're not dominating)
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 08, 2010, 09:38:59 PM
reserved seat...i am rooting for you and swat!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 09, 2010, 10:18:40 AM
Picks for 1/9/10:

F&M

Ursinus

Haverford

Muhlenberg

Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 09, 2010, 02:04:11 PM
1/9 picks:

Ursinus
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Washington
F&M

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 09, 2010, 04:57:50 PM
It looks like Muhlenberg is for real, blowing out McDaniel, 67-40. The Mules are now 5-0 in CC play.

F&M beats Swat 75-51 in what I think is a very important win for the Dips. They had not won away from Mayser since last Feb. 11, and they've looked extremely ragged on offense lately. Tolliver, who lost his starting job to Beckford two games ago, scored 17 points off the bench today after being a non-factor for most of the season. The Dips need more production out of that position than they've been getting, so it will be interesting to see if this was just one nice game for Tolliver, or something more. Big clash in Allentown Tuesday night.


Other finals:

Haverford 65, Dickinson 55
Ursinus 60, JHU 54

Halftime:

Gettysburg 38, Washington 27
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 09, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
After a sluggish start, F&M took charge when Tolliver came off the bench with a hot hand.
Tolliver scored 15 in the first half.  In the second half Allan appeared to be wearing the same uniform, after Allan was assigned to stop Tolliver.  With Allan on defense of Tolliver and with zone help, Tolliver was held to 2 points in the second half  With the defense concentrating on Tolliver easy shots were opened for other players.  Brooks ended the game with 18 and McNally 17 along with Tolliver's 17.
Baker had 8 rebounds and numerous blocks.  F&M had 8 blocks to Swarthmore's 0.
Gates looks like a player to watch as he led all scorers with 27 points displaying a nice touch from all over the court. 
The second half became very physical with Swarthmore trying to punish players instead of covering them.  Gates was called for a technical after a very physical foul.  Henry was taken out of the flow of the game due to physical play on him, after which he got caught retaliating several times.
Milligan continued his scoring famine with only 2 points but dealt out several nice assists.

It should be an interesting game in Allentown this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 10, 2010, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 08, 2010, 07:35:57 PM
Two years ago I was in the penthouse, now I'm in the basement.  Can't find my crystal ball.

F&M
Ursinus(still can't figure out why they're not dominating)
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Gettysburg

Reserved Seat,

Don't lose sight of the fact that Ursinus starts three freshmen==Ward, Janowski & Donohue alongside veterans Cousart and Hilton.  This because Matt Howell is out for the year after knee surgery and Keith Page has been ineffective.  The freshmen are all playing well lately---but are still learning about college ball.  The Bears success this year will depend on how fast the youngsters adjust and whether or not Page comes out of his funk.

Ward and Janowski are emerging as very good post players.  Ursinus needs their inside play to take the pressure off Hilton, Cousart and Donohue---three very good three point shooters. ( Janowski is very good from three as well.)  Coach Small wants them to peak in February and if they do, they will be a force in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 11, 2010, 04:21:20 PM
My picks for Tuesday's games

WASHINGTON over Dickinson ( however, if the Devils pulled off the upset, I wouldn't be surprised)
F&M over Muhlenberg ( The Dips seem to sruggle when they play in Allentown)
URSINUS over Gettysburg ( Going strickly with the home court team)
MCDANIEL over Haverford ( The Green team plays tough at home)
HOPKINS over Swarthmore ( Swat needs to learn how to pull out wins in close games)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 11, 2010, 05:41:18 PM
Picks for Tuesday 1/12/10

Washington (rare road win)
F&M  (need this one to stake a claim to 1st place but it won't be easy)
Ursinus (close game but Bears seem to be improving)
McDaniel (tough to beat at home)
JHU (again, advantage to the home team)

Thursday 1/14/10

Swat (Garnet win battle for 9th place)
F&M (better team and home court)
Gettysburg (probably the game of the day vs the Mules)
Haverford (probably a slow paced game, Fords have home court)
McDaniel (want to pick the Bears, but McD too tough at home)

Saturday 1/16/10

JHU (Dickinson will not win on the road this season)
F&M (revenge)
Gettysburg (too tough for the Fords at home)
Muhlenberg (could be an upset but Mules have too much size)
Ursinus (revenge)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 11, 2010, 10:11:10 PM
tuesday 1/12/10 picks:
washington
f&m
ursinus
haverford
hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 12, 2010, 12:13:46 AM
Picks for busy CC week

1/12
McDaniel
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
JHU
Dickinson

1/14
Haverford
SWAT
F&M
G-burg
McDaniel

1/16
G-burg
JHU
Ursinus
F&M
M-berg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 12, 2010, 08:07:10 AM
1/12 picks
Dickinson at home for 1st league win
Mules again home team prevails
Ursinus
McDaniel
Hopkins
Going with the home team in all of them tonight, tough conference to win on the road
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 12, 2010, 04:45:33 PM



Folks -

Here are the pick-ems results for the games of January 9 and the commulative standings through the first two games of the second half:

SECOND HALF
   01/06   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
DIVISION3   5 – 0   9 – 1   .900
DIPLOMANIAC1   5 – 0   9 – 1   .900
BRCE4   4 – 1   8 – 2   .800
BTEXPRESS   4 – 1   8 – 2   .800
GODIPS04   5 – 0   8 – 2   .800
RESERVED SEAT   5 – 0   8 – 2   .800
R. W. MCNICKLES   4 – 1   8 – 2   .800
D. B. COOPER   4 – 1   7 – 3   .700
GABRIEL   4 – 1   7 – 3   .700
OLD MAN TERROR   3 – 2   3 – 2   .600
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 12, 2010, 05:37:19 PM


Here are my picks for tonight's games:

Washington @ Dickinson:  Washington
F&M @ Muhlenberg:  F&M (Dips win a close one)
Gettysburg @ Usinus: Gettysburg   (Bullets get monkey off their backs)
Haverford @ McDaniel:  McDaniel (Terror to rebound)
Swarthmore @ Johns Hopkins:  Hopkins

I am certainly out on a limb here by picking three road teams to win. Sure wish that I could be in Allentown tonight! Enjoy the games. Good Luck. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 12, 2010, 05:41:46 PM
Picks for Tonight:

Washington
Muhlenberg (I hope I am wrong)
Usinus
McDaniel
Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on January 12, 2010, 06:59:40 PM
Wow, I am late.  just making it in before tipoffs.  Quick picks:
Washington
Franklin & Marshall
Ursinus
McDaniel
Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 12, 2010, 07:50:43 PM
1/12 picks:

Muhlenberg
McDaniel
Ursinus
Johns Hopkins
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 12, 2010, 10:48:44 PM



Fellow Prognosticators -

Here are the results from tonight's games and the standings to date:



SECOND HALF
   01/12   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
DIPLOMANIAC1   5 – 0   14 – 1   .933
BTEXPRESS   4 – 1   12 – 3   .800
DIVISION3   3 – 2   12 – 3   .800
RESERVED SEAT   0 – 0   8 – 2   .800
GODIPS04   3 – 2   11 – 4   .733
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 2   11 – 4   .733
GABRIEL   4 – 1   11 – 4   .733
OLD MAN TERROR   4 – 1   7 – 3   .700
BRCE4   2 – 3   10 – 5   .667
D. B. COOPER   2 – 3   9 – 6   .600
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 13, 2010, 10:23:31 AM
Big win for the Dips last night. The rest of the conference is hard to predict, Seems anyone can beat anyone( with the exception of Swat & the Devils). The playoffs are wide open at this point. Should be an interesting second half of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 13, 2010, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on January 13, 2010, 10:23:31 AM
Big win for the Dips last night. The rest of the conference is hard to predict, Seems anyone can beat anyone( with the exception of Swat & the Devils). The playoffs are wide open at this point. Should be an interesting second half of the season.

BTExpress,

Gettysburg is for real.  They are big, well coached and will be a formidable opponent for anyone.  The final score of last night's game with Ursinus does not reflect how badly the Bears were beaten.  I would call them the second best team in the conference right now.  Can they keep it up?  Time will tell as they play the Mules on Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 13, 2010, 03:31:23 PM
Finally able to get to a working computer.  My picks never got in for last night.

F&M played a solid game in Allentown leading from start to finish.  Brooks lead the attack with 22 points and 12 rebounds despite a gimpy ankle.  The Mules with a height advantage took a slim advantage on the boards 38-34, but F&M made up for that by attacking the ball coming up court.  F&M caused 22 turnovers and only giving up 12.  F&M had good ball movement for 18 assists to the Mules 12.  Muhlenberg tried to pound the ball into their big men in the first half, but McNally with backside help was able to prevent too many easy lay-ups. In the second half Frankoski tried to push the ball up court to get some easy shots as F&M had to double team the ball allowing the Mules to kick the ball out for some easier shots.  The fouls were a non-factor in the first half with 8 for the Mules and 6 for F&M.  The game got more physical in the second half as the Mules tried to fight back into the game.  Both teams picked up 13 fouls in the second half.  Early in the second period F&M had opened a 48-24 lead and then tried to milk clock from then on.  F&M played an excellent first half and a good second half putting together 2 decent halves against a good team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 13, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
Well, I at least got Thursday and Saturday's in on time.

Tuesday, January 12(too late)
F&M
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins
Washington

Thursday, January 14
Franklin & Marshall
Haverford
Swarthmore
Gettysburg
Ursinus

Saturday, January 16
Franklin & Marshall
Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 13, 2010, 06:18:08 PM



Folks -

Here are my selections for tomorrow evening's games:

Johns Hopkins @ Haverford: Hopkins

Dickinson @ Swarthmore:  Swarthmore

Washington @ F&M:  F&M (Hopefully, there will be no letdown after big win)

Muhlenberg @ Gettysburg:  Gettysburg  (Let's see how Mules handle road game after a tough loss at home)

Ursinus @ McDaniel:  McDaniel (A real toss-up)

I may make the Dips' game at Mayser tomorrow as I will be returning from the Philadelphia Area.  Good Luck to all! Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 13, 2010, 06:49:09 PM
Picks for 1/14

Hopkins

Swarthmore

F&M

Gettysburg

Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 13, 2010, 11:43:29 PM
Haverford over Hopkins
F&M everyone else is playing for 2nd place
Swat well coached and improving
McDaniel a real good team at home
Gettysburg over Mules
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 14, 2010, 08:58:14 AM
today's games
haverford
swarthmore
f&m
gettysburg
mcdaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 14, 2010, 10:45:46 AM
Tonight's picks:

Hopkins over Haverford( in a close one on the road)
Dickinson over Swathmore( Devils get their FIRST REAL win of the season)
F&M over Washington( Dips tough to beat at Mayser)
Gettysburg over Muhlenberg( best game of the night in the CC)
McDaniel over Ursinus ( toss up, going with the home team)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 14, 2010, 07:48:45 PM
Last-minute picks...

F&M
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Swat
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2010, 10:46:45 PM
Drenched in sweat, the Shoremen celebrated a hard fought victory over F&M on F&M's home court.  In a game where they out-hustled F&M, evident by the sweat soaking their uniforms, Washington earned a 5 point victory 68-65 in overtime.  F&M was doomed by poor foul shooting(18/32) and a lack of rebounding on the offensive boards(16 to 29).  Washington hit key threes, lead by Schittino 3 in regulation and a key three by Chambers at the start of overtime.  With the score tied at 56 in regulation, F&M missed a short jumper that would have ended the game.
On the tip to start overtime, Washington scored an easy lay-up when it appeared that F&M's defense wasn't sure which way the ball was going.  On Washington's next possession, Tolliver made a nice block on a three-point shot, which unfortunately ended up in Chambers' hands who proceeded to hit a long three.  F&M fought back to tie the game but then another 3 in the last minute put F&M in the desperation mode for a three which they missed.  After two foul shots by F&M by game was basically out of reach for F&M.
Kines played an outstanding game with 16 points and 14 rebounds.
Breslin had 16 and 7.
For F&M, Brooks had 21 and 7; McNally 19 and 7; and Milligan 9 and 7.
Gyokchyan had possibly his best performance with 4 points and 8 rebouncs, plus several blocks.
Early in the game, whenever F&M built a small lead, Washington hustled their way back into the game.
F&M gets a chance to return the favor to McDaniel on Saturday at Mayser, after losing on McDaniel's home court early in the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 15, 2010, 04:11:52 PM
Boy, I got hammered with my picks last night, going 1-4. Here are my picks for Saturday:

F&M
Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 15, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: division3 on November 06, 2009, 12:43:02 AM
F&M seems pretty loaded this year and alot of the players have played together in high school (a don bosco reunion). Ursinus also seems strong, with Muhlenberg following. The rest seems up for grabs with surprises bound to happen throughout the conference. F&M seems to be way ahead of all other teams with Ursinus maybe the only team even in the vicinity. There are at least 5 teams whose seasons are very hard to predict. I am looking forward to the action.

division 3,

Now that we are well into it, what do you think.  Balanced league or a runaway winner?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 15, 2010, 09:34:53 PM
1/16
Gettysburg over the fords
Ursinus over Swat Garnet can't beat them 2x, can they
Hopkins, Dickinson playing hard but can't seem to get one
F&M can't lose 2 in a row at Mayser
Muhlenberg over a tough Shoremen squad
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 16, 2010, 08:28:14 AM
sat picks
ursinus
hopkins
muhlenberg
gettysburg
F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 16, 2010, 08:41:35 AM
Gabriel...
i don't think i would call the league balanced. f&m, muhlenberg and ursinus are still up at the top and feel dominant along with gettysburg, despte a couple of upsets. i also wouldn't say that it's a runaway, as F&M and Ursinus are under achieving a bit. F&M still has the most talent. We'll see what they do with it in the second half. at this point, the league feels split in half with a top and bottom. top is F&M, mules, ursinus, gettysburg and mcdaniel and the bottom the other five. hopkins is winning a bit but do not look very good to me in terms of personnel. the other 4 teams also lack personnel and experience.and you...what do you think Gabriel?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 16, 2010, 09:31:33 AM
division 3
I might include the Shoremen in the top group after wins over McDaniel and F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2010, 10:18:50 AM
F&M still hasn't found the chemistry they had last year when they made their run to the final.
Scovall's 'garbage' points are greatly missed.  He always seemed to be in the right place to pick up easy points around the basket.  Also, no one brings a spark to the team off the bench like Selig did last year. 
Foul shooting continues to be problem as it has been in the past.
The intensity of F&M's play doesn't match some of the other teams-such as Washington and McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 16, 2010, 12:56:01 PM
brce4
you might be right about washington...we will see. playing hard is always a big factor. i still see them as a non playoff team lacking personnel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 16, 2010, 01:14:30 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2010, 10:18:50 AM
F&M still hasn't found the chemistry they had last year when they made their run to the final.
Scovall's 'garbage' points are greatly missed.  He always seemed to be in the right place to pick up easy points around the basket.  Also, no one brings a spark to the team off the bench like Selig did last year. 
Foul shooting continues to be problem as it has been in the past.
The intensity of F&M's play doesn't match some of the other teams-such as Washington and McDaniel.

Good points. Also, they still don't have a consistent 3-point threat. They made up for it last year with good shot selection. This year, the offense sometimes looks like it needs motor oil.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 16, 2010, 01:15:47 PM
1/16 picks:

F&M
Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 16, 2010, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: division3 on January 16, 2010, 08:41:35 AM
Gabriel...
i don't think i would call the league balanced. f&m, muhlenberg and ursinus are still up at the top and feel dominant along with gettysburg, despte a couple of upsets. i also wouldn't say that it's a runaway, as F&M and Ursinus are under achieving a bit. F&M still has the most talent. We'll see what they do with it in the second half. at this point, the league feels split in half with a top and bottom. top is F&M, mules, ursinus, gettysburg and mcdaniel and the bottom the other five. hopkins is winning a bit but do not look very good to me in terms of personnel. the other 4 teams also lack personnel and experience.and you...what do you think Gabriel?

division 3,

I agree with you.  It is tough for a team like F&M to duplicate last year.  Ursinus is definitely under achieving.  Much of that has to do with the lack of trust the veterans have in the freshmen.  What baffles me is the lack of consistency among the top tier teams you mention.  They all seem to play a good game followed by a dud.  However, I would suggest that the league is about as well balanced as any ten team league.  There are no "gimmes" except for perhaps Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2010, 07:19:12 PM
First of all, thank you Washington.

F&M's game was much different than the one earlier in the year at McDaniel.
F&M had much better ball movement making it harder for McDaniel to defend the ball.
McDaniel had only one man in double figures(Dyson/12), while holding Jarboe to 6 and Jones to 5 by taking away the three.  F&M forced 17 turnovers and controlled the boards with Gyokchoyn having his biggest game with 14 rebounds.  McNally had numerous rebounds, and Brooks contributed several key boards when he soared above the other ones on the floor.
McNally lead the scoring with 18, followed by Milligan(16) and Tolliver(13).
Since most the threes were well contested the shooting percentages were low. McDaniel(6-19) and F&M(3-20)
McDaniel struggled on the line(3/10), while F&M(18-22) was much better than Thursday.
Total fouls McDaniel(20) F&M(18)
Henry struggled picking up 4 fouls in limited playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 16, 2010, 11:06:38 PM
gabriel
i agree about the no gimmes...the conference is exciting because upsets are possible given the way the first half of the season has gone. i am sure there will be more surprises as teams learn to play together throughout the season. despite their record, dickinson will probably upset someone this season as well. it is hard to go without a win all year. swat and haverford battle despite their records and usually playing against more gifted teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on January 17, 2010, 09:51:55 AM
Pat Coleman-  what are thoughts about the F&M wins vs. Mules and Western MD?

Losing to Washington in OT this past Thursday was a tough loss.  I hope F&M is able to gain momentum to get that top spot in the CC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2010, 12:58:07 PM
docmarc -  good thing they beat McDaniel (formerly Western Maryland)... because they lost to the Green Terror earlier this season. And F&M should be beating the rest of the CC to be considered as good as their Final Four appearance led many, including me, to believe. Four losses, two in the CC at this point in the season is a bit disappointing, in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 17, 2010, 06:23:53 PM



Folks -

It was a busy end of the week and weekend! So much so that I am just now getting around to posting the pickems results from Thursday evenings games along with the cumulative standings. They are as follows:

SECOND HALF
   01/14   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
DIPLOMANIAC1   2 – 3   16 – 4   .800
GABRIEL   0 – 0   11 – 4   .733
GODIPS04   3 – 2   14 – 6   .700
OLD MAN TERROR   0 – 0   7 – 3   .700
RESERVED SEAT   2 – 3   10 – 5   .667
BTEXPRESS   1 – 4   13 – 7   .650
DIVISION3   1 – 4   13 – 7   .650
R. W. MCNICKLES   1 – 4   12 – 8   .600
BRCE4   1 – 4   11 – 9   .550
D. B. COOPER   1 – 4   10 – 10   .500
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
As you can see, we all got hammered with our picks. Everyone's crystal balls must have been non-functional! Check and make sure I didn't make any mistakes. I did see F&M's loss at home to Washington. Plain and simple, they were indeed out-hustled by the scrappy Shoremen.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
d-mac,
Quotedocmarc -  good thing they beat McDaniel (formerly Western Maryland)... because they lost to the Green Terror earlier this season. And F&M should be beating the rest of the CC to be considered as good as their Final Four appearance led many, including me, to believe. Four losses, two in the CC at this point in the season is a bit disappointing, in my opinion.

Please, don't make it worse than it is.  Only 3 losses, but still disappointing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 17, 2010, 07:12:07 PM


Fellow Prognosticators -

Those of us who remembered to submit their picks had a better weekend than they did on Thursday night.  Here are results from Saturday and the to-date standings:

SECOND HALF
   01/16   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
DIPLOMANIAC1   0 – 0   16 – 4   .800
GABRIEL   0 – 0   11 – 4   .733
GODIPS04   0 – 0   14 – 6   .700
OLD MAN TERROR   0 – 0   7 – 3   .700
RESERVED SEAT   4 – 1   14 – 6   .700
BTEXPRESS   4 – 1   17 – 8   .680
DIVISION3   4 – 1   17 – 8   .680
R. W. MCNICKLES   4 – 1   16 – 9   .640
BRCE4   4 – 1   15 – 10   .600
D. B. COOPER   4 – 1   14 – 11   .560
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
Please doublecheck to make sure that no errors have been made. Next picks due by tip-off time on Wednesday. Good Luck! Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on January 17, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
Reserved Seat,

I agree with you that F & M played a better game then they did down at McDaniel earlier this season.  However, keep this in mind, McDaniel was without one of the top players, Sarris-Grau(who may have suffered a season ending injury) in addition to one of their key reserves(McClain) who was out with injury as well.  The first half was evenly matched, but F&M definitely moved the ball better in the second half, knocked down open looks, and turned up the defensive intensity.  My only criticism of F&M is why does the coach have Milligan in and continue to full court press up 18 with 30 seconds left when the opposing team has all subs in the game?  Kind of classless don't you think?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 17, 2010, 08:31:21 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 11, 2010, 05:41:18 PM
Picks for Tuesday 1/12/10

Washington (rare road win)
F&M  (need this one to stake a claim to 1st place but it won't be easy)
Ursinus (close game but Bears seem to be improving)
McDaniel (tough to beat at home)
JHU (again, advantage to the home team)

Thursday 1/14/10

Swat (Garnet win battle for 9th place)
F&M (better team and home court)
Gettysburg (probably the game of the day vs the Mules)
Haverford (probably a slow paced game, Fords have home court)
McDaniel (want to pick the Bears, but McD too tough at home)

Saturday 1/16/10

JHU (Dickinson will not win on the road this season)
F&M (revenge)
Gettysburg (too tough for the Fords at home)
Muhlenberg (could be an upset but Mules have too much size)
Ursinus (revenge)



diplomaniac1,

Think you missed this posting, not much help for me, but it fills in the gaps.

Gabriel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 18, 2010, 01:48:13 AM
Quote from: d3hoopsfan on January 17, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
My only criticism of F&M is why does the coach have Milligan in and continue to full court press up 18 with 30 seconds left when the opposing team has all subs in the game?  Kind of classless don't you think?

Maybe he was trying to make a point to his team, as F&M hasn't seemed to maintain a consistent level of play this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2010, 01:29:24 PM
Was Barnes injured or sick on Saturday for Muhlenberg?  His name wasn't in the box score.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 18, 2010, 05:32:16 PM



Folks -

Well, Gabriel was right. Somehow, I missed including his picks from 1/14 and 1/16 in the to-date standings. Here are the corrected standings:

SECOND HALF
   01/16   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
DIPLOMANIAC1   0 – 0   16 – 4   .800
GODIPS04   0 – 0   14 – 6   .700
OLD MAN TERROR   0 – 0   7 – 3   .700
RESERVED SEAT   4 – 1   14 – 6   .700
BTEXPRESS   4 – 1   17 – 8   .680
DIVISION3   4 – 1   17 – 8   .680
GABRIEL   4 – 1   16 – 9   .640
R. W. MCNICKLES   4 – 1   16 – 9   .640
BRCE4   4 – 1   15 – 10   .600
D. B. COOPER   4 – 1   14 – 11   .560
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
Thanks for catching my omissions. Sorry, those games actually moved Gabriel down the list. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 19, 2010, 12:33:36 PM
My picks for Wed 1/20 games

F&M over Dickinson( A breather game for the Dips)
Gettysburg over McDaniel (Going with the home team)
Haverford over Swarthmore( Will be the most entertaining game of the night)
Washington over Hopkins( Tossed a coin on this one)
Ursinus over Muhlenberg( Should go with the home team, but I have a feeling about the Bears)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2010, 03:17:40 PM
Picks for the week:

Wednesday, 1/20/10

F&M (Dickinson probably won't win a game this year)
Gettysburg (home court but McDaniel will play tough)
Haverford (advantage to the home team in a close game)
Washington (another home team edge)
Ursinus (we'll see if Ward and Janowski are ready for Barnes & Liddic)

Saturday, 1/23/10

F&M (too much fire power for the Fords)
Ursinus (should beat Dickinson at home)
Swat (my Saturday upset over Gettysburg)
Muhlenberg (Mules too tough in the dungeon)
McDaniel (a squeaker over Washington)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2010, 06:18:06 PM
Wednesday, January 20
F&M(Dickinson is having too many problems)
Gettysburg(at home with Powers)
Haverford(going with home team)
Washington(seem in sync right now)
Ursinus(is Barnes playing?)

Saturday, January 23
F&M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 19, 2010, 07:29:28 PM
wed picks

F&M
Gettysburg
Haverford
Washington
muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 19, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
F&M  Dickinson not ending their losing streak against the Dips
Gettysburg likely to win at home
Haverford in the rivalry game at home
Washington  on a roll
Muhlenberg because they are the home team
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 19, 2010, 10:23:10 PM
For a team with such a bad record, it's amazing how many close games Dickinson has played.  In their 13 losses, they were within 3 points in the last 4 minutes of the game 8 times.  If they can continue to do that, they're bound to pull off a win or 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 19, 2010, 11:22:08 PM
Picks for 1/20:
F&M
G-burg
SWAT
Washington
M-berg

Picks for 1/23
F&M
Ursinus
G-burg
M-berg
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 20, 2010, 06:33:01 AM
Sorry I was out of town over the weekend and forgot to submit my picks...

Picks for 1/20
F&M
Gettysburg
Swarthmore
Hopkins
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on January 20, 2010, 07:59:48 AM
Bad news for Terror fans:  Sarris-Grau has torn ACL-best of luck in recovery for next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 20, 2010, 01:10:00 PM
1/20 picks:

F&M
Gettysburg
Haverford
Washington
Ursinus

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 20, 2010, 03:06:52 PM


Folks -

Before I forget, here are my picks for tonight's games:

F&M @ Dickinson:   F&M

McDaniel @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg (Terror lost an important palyer)

Swarthmore @ Haverford:   Haverford

Johns Hopkins @ Washington:   Johns Hopkins (Shoremen could have a let-down after two big wins)

Ursinus @ Muhlenberg:   Muhlenberg (Game is at the "Mule Barn" - a very tough place for an inexperienced road team to win)

I guess I am sort of out on the limb with my picks of JHU and Muhlenberg! Since I missed Saturday's Diplomat game at Mayser, I am going to try to get to the Kline Center in Carlisle to see the Diplomats play the Red Devils tonight.

Good luck! Enjoy the games. regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 20, 2010, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2010, 01:29:24 PM
Was Barnes injured or sick on Saturday for Muhlenberg?  His name wasn't in the box score.

I heard that Barnes is out for the season with a knee injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 20, 2010, 11:16:01 PM
My computer is driving me nuts.  This is the third time I tried to post this entry.

Gabriel, thanks for the info.  If Barnes is done for the season, it will have a major effect on Muhlenberg's game.

Dickinson's inexperience was apparent as F&M coasted to a 71-49 win.  F&M built built a 32 point margin, until Dickinson closed the final scoring margin against F&M's subs.
Tolliver co-lead F&M with 14, all in the first half.  Milligan matched his total. McNally contributed 13 more, and Brooks chipped in with 10 points.  Barsanti lead Dickinson with 17, but no one else reached double figure.  Gyokchyan came off the bench to play quality minutes, providing good back up for McNally and Brooks.  If Hayk can continued to support the big men, it bodes well for F&M future play.  The most obvious fault in F&M's game was its 9-19 foul shooting, whereas Dickinson went 16-22.  F&M shot 50% including 8-16 from beyond the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Bball20 on January 21, 2010, 12:06:40 AM
Rumor is that Barnes tore his ACL against Gettysburg.  No contact involved in the injury, just a freak thing.
Heard he was going to sit out for a few weeks and try to play with it, because it is his senior year. 
Such a shame, I wish him well on his recovery.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 21, 2010, 12:21:09 PM
http://www.mcall.com/sports/columnists/all-groller.7154225jan21,0,4332464.column

Nice article about Jon Ward from the Allentown paper.  He could not play against Muhlenberg last night because of the flu.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 21, 2010, 12:59:10 PM
My picks for Saturday 1/23

F&M over Haverford ( Dips need to keep getting wins)
URSINUS over Dickinson( The Devils play hard but just don't have it this season)
GETTYSBURG over Swathmore ( About Swat, see above)
HOPKINS over Muhlenberg ( going with the road team, not real sure on this one)
WASHINGTON over McDaniel( The shoreman continue to surprise)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 22, 2010, 11:35:24 AM
F&M
URSINUS
GETTYSBURG
MUHLENBERG
WASHINGTON
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 22, 2010, 01:11:24 PM
Oldtimers

Has there ever been a Centennial Conference player to record more than 1,000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists in their career?

Gabriel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 22, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 22, 2010, 01:11:24 PM
Oldtimers

Has there ever been a Centennial Conference player to record more than 1,000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists in their career?

Gabriel

According to the records on the F&M website, Chris Finch did this (stats below). He technically wasn't a Centennial player, because he graduated in 1992 -- just before the CC expanded to all sports.

Chris Finch: 1,278 points, 633 rebounds, 527 assists

I assume Remy Cousart is in this category?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 22, 2010, 05:41:02 PM
f&m
ursinus
gettysburg
muhlenberg
washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 22, 2010, 08:08:52 PM


Fellow Progrnoticators -

The following are the results from Wednesday night's games and the cummulative standings to date:

SECOND HALF
   01/20   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 – 2   19 – 6   .760
RESERVED SEAT   5 – 0   19 – 6   .760
BTEXPRESS   5 – 0   22 – 8   .733
DIVISION3   5 – 0   22 – 8   .733
GABRIEL   5 – 0   21 – 9   .700
OLD MAN TERROR   0 – 0   7 – 3   .700
R. W. MCNICKLES   5 – 0   21 – 9   .700
GODIPS04   3 – 2   17 – 8   .680
BRCE4   4 – 1   19 – 11   .633
D. B. COOPER   4 – 1   18 – 12   .600
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
Except for GODIPS04 and myself, everyone else had a very good night. The overal standings tightened up quite a bit. It looks like Reserved Seat's crystal ball is working again!

Remember, all picks for tomorrow's games are due by tip-off time! If everything goes as planned, I will make the trek from Central PA to the Main Line to see the Diplomats play the Fords at Haverford. Hopefully, Villanova will not have an afternoon game to create a traffic jam!

For those traveling - travel safely. Good luck with your picks. Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 22, 2010, 09:10:53 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for the pick-ems involving tomorrow's games:

F&M @ Haverford:  F&M (Dips must keep winning and should be too strong for the Fords even on the Main Line)

Dickinson @ Ursinus: Ursinus (Bears moving up. Red Devils may have a real let-down after bad loss to the Dips on Wednesday night)

Gettysburg @ Swarthmore:  Gettysburg (The Bullets also keep improving against relatively inexperienced Garnet)

Johns Hopkins @ Muhlenberg:  Muhlenberg (Could be a close game. However, Blue Jays have been very inconsistent. Besides, the cavernous Mule Barn is tough place for teams to play on the road even if Barnes doesn't play)

Washington @ McDaniel:  Washington (Shoremen beginning to impress and make a believer out of me)

Good luck. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on January 22, 2010, 10:04:44 PM
Been having a tough time getting to the computer.  Just a bit busy.  OK, OK, no excuses when it comes to Centennial Basketball....I get it.  Anyway, here are my picks for Saturday's games:

F& M over Haverford. 

Ursinus over Dickinson.  Ursinus getting tough for the second half.

Gettysburg over Swarthmore.

Muhlenberg over Hopkins.  Mules still too much at home.

McDaniel over Washington.  Is it time for McDaniel to get some game back?  Gotta stick with them.  Even without Sarris-Grau.  Time again for others to step up and get the job done.  Let's see if Curley can rally the troops
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 22, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on January 22, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 22, 2010, 01:11:24 PM
Oldtimers

Has there ever been a Centennial Conference player to record more than 1,000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists in their career?

Gabriel

According to the records on the F&M website, Chris Finch did this (stats below). He technically wasn't a Centennial player, because he graduated in 1992 -- just before the CC expanded to all sports.

Chris Finch: 1,278 points, 633 rebounds, 527 assists

I assume Remy Cousart is in this category?

r.w.

He is getting close.  I think he is over 500 in rebounds and assists but, since he was not a big scorer his first two years, he needs a few more for 1,000 points.  Not bad for a kid who is a diabetic, wears an insulin pump during games------and, he is a class act.  Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 23, 2010, 09:25:39 AM
Saturday's picks
F&M over Haverford
Ursinus over Dickinson
Bullets over Swat
Muhlenberg over Hopkins
McDaniel over Shoremen
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 23, 2010, 10:32:49 AM
1/23 picks:

F&M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins
McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 23, 2010, 05:28:53 PM
UGLY game in Collegeville today.  Ursinus wins 58-47 but scored only 6 points over the last 9:15.  They did not score at all for over 6 1/2 minutes.  Fortunately, Dickinson was not doing much better.  The inconsistent Bears will need to find some consistency if they want to be a factor in post season play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 23, 2010, 06:07:22 PM
Swarthmore 58 - Gettysburg 51. Brilliant game played by the Garnet today!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 24, 2010, 07:47:50 PM



Fellow Centennial Conference Fans and Prognosticators -

Greetings on this wet dreary day! The following are the results from Saturday's games and the to-date standings:

SECOND HALF
   01/23   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GABRIEL   5 – 0   26 – 9   .743
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 – 2   22 – 8   .733
OLD MAN TERROR   4 – 1   11 – 4   .733
RESERVED SEAT   3 – 2   22 – 8   .733
DIVISION3   3 – 2   25 – 10   .714
BTEXPRESS   2 – 3   24 – 11   .686
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 2   24 – 11   .686
GODIPS04   3 – 2   20 – 10   .667
BRCE4   4 – 1   23 – 12   .657
D. B. COOPER   3 – 2   21 – 14   .600
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
Gabriel is our new leader on the strength of his 5 - 0 record. His crystal ball must have been super-charged! However, the standings are very close from top to bottom and anybody can still come out on top. The Swarthmore game and the McDaniel game did most of us in. It is nice to have Old Man Terror back and making some picks!

Please double-check and make sure that I don't have any errors. Remember that the picks for the next set of games are due by tip-off time. I made it to the Main Line and thought that the defenseive effort of the Diplomats against Haverford was top-notch. It is good to see that Steve Tolliver has found his shot again!

Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
DeSales-Muhlenberg is this a pick for tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 25, 2010, 03:52:56 PM
Acccording to the CC site Desales is at Muhlenberg tonight. I am picking MUHLENBERG to win in an upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 25, 2010, 04:54:54 PM
Tonights Pick:
Desales
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 25, 2010, 05:08:07 PM
Picks

Monday 1/25/10
DeSales (Just a guess)

Wednesday 1/27/10
F&M (JHU is down this year and the Dips have too many weapons)
Swarthmore (In a mild upset, the Terror will get the life sucked out of them at Swat)
Gettysburg (Even on the road, they have too much for Dickinson)
Muhlenberg (Home court wins over the Fords)
Ursinus (The same, home court in a very competitive game with Washington)

Saturday 1/30/10
F&M (Too much for Swat at F&M but this is no "gimme")
Dickinson (In a mild upset, Dickinson gets its first win of the season)
McDaniel (Terror tough at home and the Mules don't travel well)
Ursinus (Will the Bears be consistently good or consistently inconsistent?)
Gettysburg (Tough game but home court prevails)


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2010, 05:46:38 PM
Desales
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 25, 2010, 07:18:14 PM
Tonight: DeSales (no Barnes)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on January 25, 2010, 08:25:43 PM
Too late for tonite's game (would have picked deSales) but here are the picks for thr balance of the week:

Wednesday-

F&M over Hopkins.  Hopkins has started a tumble they may not be able to stop.

McDaniel over Swarthmore.  Terror continue the climb back into the playoff hunt.  Maybe beginning to find a rotation that plays well together.  Scored some points against a very tough Washington squad.

Gettysburg beats Dickinson.  No win yet but a close game.

Haverford over Muhlenberg.  The Mules are hanging on by a thread and beginning to get frustrated.  CAn they hold onto a playoff position?  Doesn't lok good right now.

Washington over Ursinus.  Match-up is a good one for Washington and they will resume their winning ways.

Saturday:

F&M beats Swarthmore. 

Dickson finally gets that win over Haverford.

McDaniel beats Muhlenberg at home.  Splits the series .  Continues of an end of the season run.  Can they win 7 of the last 9?  Could be.
Ursinus over JHU.  The fall of JHU from contention continues.

Washington beats Gettysberg and stays in the hunt.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on January 26, 2010, 10:29:19 AM
This Weeks Picks:

1/27:

F&M
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Haverford
Ursinus

1/30

F&M
Haverford.
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 26, 2010, 01:28:52 PM
My picks for Wednesday 1/27

McDaniel
F&M
Haverford
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 26, 2010, 06:42:47 PM


Folks -

I was out of town yesterday. So, I am just now catching up on the post in here! Since more than half of the forcasters made pick for Monday night's game between Desales and Muhlenberg, it will be included in the standings. I am sorry that I didn't have access to a computer to give everyone the "heads-up" to pick that game. We will follow the same guidelines that were used at the end of the fist half of the season.

Anyway, the following are the updated standings:

SECOND HALF
   01/25   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GABRIEL   1 – 0   27 – 9   .750
OLD MAN TERROR   1 – 0   12 – 4   .750
RESERVED SEAT   1 – 0   23 – 8   .742
DIPLOMANIAC1   0 – 0   22 – 8   .733
DIVISION3   0 – 0   25 – 10   .714
R. W. MCNICKLES   0 – 0   24 – 11   .686
GODIPS04   1 – 0   21 – 10   .677
BTEXPRESS   0 – 1   24 – 12   .667
BRCE4   0 – 0   23 – 12   .657
D. B. COOPER   1 – 0   22 – 14   .611
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
Just about everyone who made a pick took Desales! Congrats! Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on January 26, 2010, 07:07:33 PM
Injuries could have a major effect on teams down the stretch. More than a few don't have much depth. McDaniel's best player (Sarris-Grau) is out and the Mules have been hit as well. I'll be interested to see which Swarthmore and McDaniel teams show up tomorrow night as those two seem to have some of the biggest peaks and valleys in the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 26, 2010, 07:54:43 PM
1/27 picks
F&M over Hopkins
Gettysburg over Dickinson
Ursinus over Washington
Muhlenberg over Haverford
McDaniel over Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 26, 2010, 08:09:10 PM
wed picks

F&M
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Haverford
McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 26, 2010, 09:11:02 PM


Here are my picks for Wednesday night's games:

F&M @ JHU:  F&M

McDaniel @ Swarthmore:  McDaniel (Garnet has let-down)

Gettysburg @ Dickinson:  Gettysburg (Rebound game for G-burg against Devils who can't seem to get over the hump)

Haverford @ Muhlenberg: Muhlenberg (Home court advantage)

Washington @ Ursinus:  Ursinus

Remember that all selections are due by tip-off time. Good Luck! Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2010, 10:51:02 PM
Wednesday, January 27
Franklin & Marshall
Swarthmore(showing my gratitude for their previous wins)
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Ursinus

Saturday, January 30
Franklin & Marshall
Haverford
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 27, 2010, 10:29:43 AM
1/27 picks:
JHU: ? Dip disaster recipe of poor 3pt & FT % against desperate squad may resurface
SWAT
G-burg
M-berg: Back in Kansas, well Memorial Cave Hall
Ursinus

1/30 picks:
F&M
Haverford
McDaniel: Mules Leaving Kansas
Ursinus: Jays flat after upset of Dips
G-burg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 27, 2010, 10:37:20 AM
Here at the home office, we have decided to compile a list of the top basketball moments in the Centennial Conference from the past decade.  We are looking at the top games and top players from 2000-2009 and would like to solicit nominations from you.  We'll compile the nominations from our fans and SIDs and narrow them down to a top 10.  Once we whittle down the field, we'll have an online vote to determine the top moment on both the men's and women's side from the last decade.  We'll announce the winner during the week of the Centennial tournament.

Feel free to send us an email at sulrich@centennial.org with your nomination.  You can also nominate via our twitter site (www.twitter.com/centennialconf) or give us your thoughts right here on Posting Up.

For starters, here are a few that come to my mind --
1) Ursinus' Dennis Stanton's 55 points vs. Franklin & Marshall on Feb. 7, 2004
2) Ursinus' Nick Shattuck's 46-point outburst vs. Dickinson in the 2008 CC semifinals.
3) Gettysburg's Corey Dorsey's buzzer-beater to defeat Elms in the 2008 NCAA tournament.

We hope you can participate and enjoy the debate!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipfanatic on January 27, 2010, 06:28:33 PM
Alex Kraft's buzzer-beater against Gettysburg in February 2000. Always thought that was the spark that ignited F&M's run to the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 27, 2010, 07:26:32 PM
1/27 picks:

F&M
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Ursinus

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 27, 2010, 11:31:35 PM
A win is a win, and F&M picked up a lucky one in Baltimore tonight.  In a game where JH played zone for the whole game, F&M picked out the victory with a key rebound by Mike Baker with 16 seconds left.  Milligan missed his second foul after giving F&M a 2 point lead with 16 seconds.  Baker grabbed the rebound after which he was fouled.  Mike hit both giving F&M a 4 point lead with 13 seconds left.  Hopkins lead for most of the game including a lead of 19-8 after about 16 minutes, as F&M couldn't buy a shot.  F&M only shot 4 foul shots until the last 80 seconds when they shot six.  F&M was 8 for 10 from the line; JH 11-18.  Both teams shot 3 for 10 from the arc, with 2 of F&M's coming in the final 5 minutes of the first half to close the score to 23-18 at the half.  Both teams pretty much matched their assists with turnovers
F&M 15/15
JH 12/11
Freshman Rhoads led JH with 15 points and did a good job of bringing the ball up court.
McNally(14), Brooks(13), and Tolliver(12) led F&M's scoring.
McNally and Baker both had 8 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 28, 2010, 09:26:12 AM
A ragged performance by the Ursinus last night but a win is a win.  Jon Ward led the Bears with 22 points with Cousart, Hilton and Page also in double figures.  Cousart had 12 rebounds and does what he has to. He is a totally team oriented selfless player and a pleasure to watch.  Ursinus' problem---21 turnovers and they gave up 19 offensive rebounds.  Lots of room for improvement!

Washington is a very good team----scrappy and they play with a lot of heart.  They are well coached---play very hard and move the ball well.   Their problem last night was that they shot very poorly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2010, 05:22:05 PM
Gabriel,
Thanks for the info.  I still look at Ursinus to be the team to give F&M the most trouble in the play-offs.  Obviously, from F&M's recent play other teams will also be a challenge, but  Ursinus has play-makers, height, and good coaching that will force F&M to play their A game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 28, 2010, 10:21:14 PM


Folks -

Here are the results and standings after last night's games:

SECOND HALF
   01/27   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GABRIEL   4 – 1   31 – 10   .756
RESERVED SEAT   4 – 1   27 – 9   .750
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 – 2   25 – 10   .714
DIVISION3   2 – 3   27 – 13   .675
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 2   27 – 13   .675
BRCE4   3 – 2   26 – 14   .650
GODIPS04   2 – 3   23 – 13   .639
BTEXPRESS   2 – 3   26 – 15   .634
OLD MAN TERROR   1 – 4   13 – 8   .619
D. B. COOPER   3 – 2   25 – 16   .610
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
The upset wins by Dickinson and Swarthmore put the "whammy" on many of us! Get those crystal balls ready for Saturday's games. All picks due by tip-off time. Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 29, 2010, 12:32:57 PM
Boy, I have been all over the road with my picks for the second half of the season. Every time there is an upset, I just don't see it coming. Oh well, here are my picks for Saturday:

F&M
Dickinson( Two in a row???)
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 29, 2010, 05:49:47 PM


Folks -

OK, I am going to follow the majority of you that have already posted their picks. Here are my selections for Saturday's games:

Swarthmore @ F&M: F&M

Haverford @ Dickison:   Haverford

Muhlenberg @ McDaniel:   Muhlenberg (a coin flip)

Ursinus @ Johns Hopkins:   Ursinus

Washington @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg (badly need a win to bounce back)

I plan to make the two-plus hour trip to Mayser tomorrow afternoon to watch the Dips play. Remember, all pickems due by tip-off time. Good luck. Enjoy the games! Travel safely. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 29, 2010, 07:49:27 PM
Picks for Sat
F&M over improving Swat
Dickinson wins another over the Fords
Muhlenberg over McDaniel tough pick but McDaniel is really struggling
Ursinus over JHU Bears too talented
Gettysburg over Washington another tough pick Shoremen playing well, Bullets up and down
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 30, 2010, 07:55:44 AM
picks sat

F&M
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Gettysburg

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 30, 2010, 08:25:02 AM
1/30 picks:

F&M
Haverford
McDaniel
Ursinus
Gettysburg

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2010, 02:11:26 PM
Hi all

Went north for the holidays and just got back. will catch up and warm up. Can not take that cold and snow anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2010, 02:17:05 PM
Picks:

Monday 2/1
John Hopkins

Weds 2/3
Ursinus
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Washington
Muhlenberg

Thanks
enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 31, 2010, 07:15:19 PM



Fellow Prognosticators -

Well, another set of games and another surprise winner! The Gettysburg game did us all in and many of us had trouble with the Haverford and Muhlenberg games! Anyway, the following chart contains the results from Saturday's games and the standings to date:


SECOND HALF
   01/30   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
RESERVED SEAT   3 –2   30 – 11   .732
DIPLOMANIAC1   4 – 1   29 – 11   .725
GABRIEL   2 – 3   33 – 13   .717
DIVISION3   4 – 1   31 – 14   .689
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 2   30 – 15   .667
BRCE4   3 – 2   29 – 16   .644
GODIPS04   3 – 2   26 – 15   .634
OLD MAN TERROR   0 – 0   13 – 8   .619
BTEXPRESS   2 – 3   28 – 18   .609
D. B. COOPER   3 – 2   28 – 18   .609
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000

There was not too much movement in the standings this time. Remember, all picks for Wedesday evening's games are due by tip-off time. Regretfully, I will not be able to get to the F&M game at Ursinus this week.

Enjoy the games. Good Luck! Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 31, 2010, 07:19:26 PM


Old Ends -

Welcome back.! We all wondered where you were! It is nice to have you back on the Boards. We look forward to seeing your picks duing the rest of the season. Good luck!

Eric

P. S. - You are certainly correct about the cold weather up here in the North. Let us know when you thaw out!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on January 31, 2010, 08:47:19 PM
Eric.  You missed my picks from Saturday.  I had F&M, Washington and Ursinus as winners and missed with Dickinson and McDaniel so was 3 - 2. 

Here's the picks for this week.  On Monday 2/1 I like McDaniel over JHU.  Almost down to the must wins to stay in contention for that #5 spot..

Wednesday 2/3

Ursinus upsets F&M.

McDaniel beats Dickinson.

Gettysburg over Hopkins

Washington beats Haverford

Muhlenburg beats Swarthmore.


On saturday, 2/6

F& M over the Mules

Washington over Dickinson

Gettysberg beats Ursinus

McDaniel over Haverford for 3 in a row.

Swarthmore beats Hopkins. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on January 31, 2010, 11:03:24 PM
monday

Hopkins over McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 01, 2010, 02:06:11 AM
2/1 pick: JHU

2/3 picks:
Ursinus
McDaniel
G-burg
Washington
M-berg

2/6 picks:
F&M
Washington
G-burg
Haverford
JHU
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on February 01, 2010, 07:33:50 AM
2/1 Pick:

Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 01, 2010, 09:48:14 AM


Folks -

As seveal of our fellow "pickers" have pointed out, please don't forget that there is an important game in the Conference tonight to pick:

McDaniel @ Johns Hopkins

Both teams need this game. My selection is as follows:

Johns Hopkins (I Just really can't get a handle on either squad. Both have been very inconsistent. McDaniel seems to have trouble without Sarris-Grau. So, I am going with a slight home court advantage for the Jays.)

Remember, all picks are due by tip-off time. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 01, 2010, 10:27:25 AM
Picks

2/1/2010

JHU

2/3/2010

Ursinus
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Washington
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on February 01, 2010, 10:31:51 AM
More Picks:

Wednesday, February 3
Ursinus (F&M always struggles at Ursinus, I hope my Dips surprise me though!)
McDaniel
Johns Hopkins
Washington
Muhlenberg

Saturday, February 6
Franklin & Marshall
Washington
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Johns Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 01, 2010, 10:37:52 AM
My pick for tonight is HOPKINS ( just pulled out a quarter and flipped) I can't get a handle on either one of these teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2010, 02:28:22 PM
Monday, February 1
Johns Hopkins(toss up going on home court)

Wednesday, February 3
Franklin & Marshall(need to bring their A game)
McDaniel(home team)
Gettysburg(could go either way)
Washington
Muhlenberg

Saturday, February 6
Franklin & Marshall(won't be as easy as last time)
Washington
Ursinus
McDaniel(tough call)
Johns Hopkins(may change my mind after Wednesday's game-Swarthmore showed nothing on Saturday)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 01, 2010, 05:42:38 PM
2/1 pick:

Johns Hopkins

2/3 picks:

Ursinus
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Washington
Muhlenberg

It seems like Ursinus is playing really well. I think the Bears will hit F&M with a barrage of early threes and hang on down the stretch on Ward's shoulders. I don't see the Dips overcoming their offensive struggles to win this game. The lack of a reliable 3-point threat has truly hurt F&M, especially when teams play zone most of the game (can't expect Milligan to go 5-for-5 like he did in December vs. the Bears). With road trips to Gettysburg and Washington next week, I could see F&M making a return trip to Collegeville for the CC playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 01, 2010, 07:51:09 PM



Old Man Terror -

I could not find your picks on my list of everyone's selections that I made for last Saturday's games. I don't know how I missed including them on the list. However, I will add them in; correct the standings, and post them again. Thanks for catching my error. Sorry about that.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 01, 2010, 07:58:00 PM


Folks -

Old Man Terror is correct!. Somehow, I missed listing his picks and didn't include the results from them in the updated standings. The following chart shows Old Man Trror's record from the Saturday games and the revised overall standing:

SECOND HALF
   01/30   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
RESERVED SEAT   3 –2   30 – 11   .732
DIPLOMANIAC1   4 – 1   29 – 11   .725
GABRIEL   2 – 3   33 – 13   .717
DIVISION3   4 – 1   31 – 14   .689
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 2   30 – 15   .667
BRCE4   3 – 2   29 – 16   .644
GODIPS04   3 – 2   26 – 15   .634
OLD MAN TERROR   3 – 2   16 – 10   .615
BTEXPRESS   2 – 3   28 – 18   .609
D. B. COOPER   3 – 2   28 – 18   .609
OLD ENDS   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
         
The revised information for OMT is shown in bold. Actually, his 3 - 2 record kept him in eighth place, but reduced his win-loss percentage from .619 to .615.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 02, 2010, 10:43:34 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 01, 2010, 05:42:38 PM
2/1 pick:

Johns Hopkins

2/3 picks:

Ursinus
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Washington
Muhlenberg

It seems like Ursinus is playing really well. I think the Bears will hit F&M with a barrage of early threes and hang on down the stretch on Ward's shoulders. I don't see the Dips overcoming their offensive struggles to win this game. The lack of a reliable 3-point threat has truly hurt F&M, especially when teams play zone most of the game (can't expect Milligan to go 5-for-5 like he did in December vs. the Bears). With road trips to Gettysburg and Washington next week, I could see F&M making a return trip to Collegeville for the CC playoffs.

r.w.

Ursinus is playing O.K.----not great.  Still too many turnovers against Washington and JHU.  Don't put them on a pedestal quite yet.  With three freshmen starting, they are just now learning to play tough at crunch time.  They demonstrated the emerging toughness in the two games---Washington and JHU.  They have not come close to playing their best yet.  Hopefully, they will do this in February.

The Bears youthful mistakes have been overcome by Remy Cousart's brilliant season.  Soon--he will reach 1,000 points, 700 rebounds and 500 assists.  Not bad for a young man who spent three seasons in the shadows of Nick Shattuck and John Noonan.  One should not overlook Matt Hiltons play.  He is an excellent defender and ball handler in addition to his well known shooting skills.  Go Bears!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 02, 2010, 10:43:34 AM
They have not come close to playing their best yet.

Gabriel,

F&M and Ursinus often bring out the best in each other, and I believe tomorrow will be no exception. I don't think the Dips can afford to fall behind by double digits in the first half like they did at Haverford and JHU and expect to win -- Ursinus has too many weapons. Should be an excellent game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2010, 11:03:57 AM
A nice story on James McNally in today's Lancaster paper:

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/248211

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 02, 2010, 02:15:04 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 02, 2010, 10:43:34 AM
They have not come close to playing their best yet.

Gabriel,

F&M and Ursinus often bring out the best in each other, and I believe tomorrow will be no exception. I don't think the Dips can afford to fall behind by double digits in the first half like they did at Haverford and JHU and expect to win -- Ursinus has too many weapons. Should be an excellent game.

r.w.

Totally agree.  Let's hope it is the great game it should be.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 02, 2010, 10:25:01 PM

Folks -

Here are my picks for tomorrow evening's games:

F&M @ Ursinus: F&M (I bleed blue. Besides, it is time for the Dips to exorcise this demon!)

Dickinson @ McDaniel:  McDaniel (I really don't know what to think about these two teams. So, I give a slight edge to the Terror on their home court.)

Gettysburg @ Johns Hopkins:  Johns Hopkins (Another tough one! Jays need this win to stay alive. Again, I give another slight edge to the home team considering that the Bullets have had some tough times lately.)

Haverford @ Washington: Washington (I give a slight edge to the Shoremen on their home court since they are on a roll as of late.)

Swarthmore @ Muhlenberg: Muhlenberg (Another win for the home team in their "barn".)

I will add Monday night's game in with these games when I update the standings. Remember, all selections are due by tip-off time. Good Luck. Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 02, 2010, 11:30:44 PM
F&M @ Ursinus really tough pick but I'm going with the Dips
Dickinson @McDaniel, McDaniel in another tough road venue in the CC
Gettysburg @JHU another tough pick going with Gettysburg
Haverford @ Washington I like the shoremen in battle of 2 scrappiest teams in the conference
Swarthmore @ Muhlenberg Swat getting better but I like the Mules at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 03, 2010, 12:34:38 AM
wed picks

Ursinus
McDaniel
Gettysburg
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 03, 2010, 10:03:21 AM
D3hoops will be broadcasting tonight's men's basketball game between Franklin & Marshall and Ursinus at 7:30 ET.  The direct link to our broadcast is copied below, though people can also find it off our schedule/scoreboard.

http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 03, 2010, 11:06:46 AM
It perplexes me that most of the National prognosticators think F&M must win every game or they are a major failure. This is a game by any measure that Ursinus should win & it would be a pleasant surprise of an upset if the Dips pulled it out. Below is some data of Dip-Bear games since 2002 that should make it clearer.

2002-3: Ursinus 83-82 (@FM), Ursinus 96-88 OT (@Ursinus) CC playoff finals
2003-4: F&M 106-71 (@FM), Ursinus 104-92 (@Ursinus)
2004-5: Ursinus 91-82 (@Ursinus), F&M 91-60 (@FM), Ursinus 72-70 (@FM) CC playoff finals
2005-6: Ursinus 86-80 (@FM), Ursinus 75-59 (@Ursinus)
2006-7: Ursinus 64-52 (@Ursinus), Ursinus 75-69 (@FM)
2007-8: Ursinus 69-60 (@Ursinus), Ursinus 77-60 (@FM)
2008-9: F&M 83-80 (@FM), F&M 87-81 (@Ursinus)

Ursinus leads series 6-1 in Collegeville & 11-4 overall. Who should be the historical big favorite?

If anyone remembers I declared before last years game at Ursinus that if the Dips won that game on the road I would need to take off for the Sweet Sixteen NCAA round & in spite of the Gettysburg loss in the CC Final they did end up doing the improbable deep NCAA run. I have seen enough games in Helfferich to say that it is a tougher place to win than anywhere else in the CC for multiple reasons.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 03, 2010, 01:02:34 PM
My picks for tonight:

F&M
Washington
Ursinus
McDaniel
Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 03, 2010, 01:47:22 PM


BTEXPRESS -

I am confused regarding your picks. Please check them. Since F&M plays at Ursinus tonight, I don't think that both F&M and Ursinus can win! I don't see any pick for the Muhlenberg game. Please review, revise, and re-post. Thanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 03, 2010, 02:59:36 PM
Eric, Let's try this again. Thanks. I was actually looking at Saturday's games.

F&M over Ursinus
Muhlenberg over Swartmore
McDaniel over Dickinson
Gettysburg over Hopkins
Washington over Haverford

Hopefully these are the right games for tonight.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2010, 11:36:27 PM
In a very exciting game before a loud and enthusiastic crowd at Ursinus, F&M won a game that they led from start to finish.  Brooks slammed down a dunk to show the crowd that he had come to play.  Brooks ended with 19 points and contributed several steals on defense.  F&M ended with 14 steals to Ursinus' 7.  F&M raced to an early 8 point lead(10-2) which was the final margin(70-62).  The game was well played by both teams especially the first half when the officials were not a factor.  Fouls were minimal for both teams in the first half.  The game was more physical in the second half as Ursinus fought to get back into the game.  The officials got more involved in the game and F&M got more than their portion of fouls  as F&M was whistled for 11 to Ursinus' 6.  The gap closed as Ursinus was forced to foul.  The game ended with the fouls about even.  In a surprising move Robinson started Justin Driver(his first varsity start) to play defense.  He ended with no points but played excellent defense.  McNally lead all scorers with 20 points.  Despite struggling offensively, Milligan scored 15 points, numerous points on follow ups of his own misses.  F&M caused 21 turnovers.  Foul shooting F&M 13/19--Ursinus 17/19.  Three point shooting F&M 1/9--Ursinus 5/16.  Rebounds were almost equal.  Cousart lead Ursinus with 15 points.  Two other players , Hilton and Ward, contributed double figures.
F&M needs to get their students more involved in the games, because Ursinus' fans gave the game a more sportive atmosphere.
Ursinus will still be the team to beat in the play-offs.

Gabriel, what's the significance of the chicken.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 04, 2010, 08:33:36 AM
Reserved Seat,

Pretty much agree with your synopsis of the game.  Essentially it was 21 turnovers by the Bears converted into 24 points by the Dips.  Give credit to F&M, it is their defense that keys everything else.  Defensively---they are really good.  They were not about to give up the any easy threes.  They gamble, jump passing routes and continually poke at your dribble.  You can't teach speed and quickness and the Dips have it.

For some reason, Jon Ward gets no breaks from any of the officials.  On his fifth foul he did not even so much as touch the offensive player--the official made the mistake of anticipating.  Other teams mug him and he gets by with nothing.  He fouled out after having only one at halftime---limiting him to 27 minutes. Same thing happened at Hopkins on Saturday.  If you watch McNally, a big part of his game is pushing and shoving----much of it from the waist down.  For Jon, this is part of being a freshman I guess.  He is a good freshman and will be a force the next few years.

The Ursinus students were great---the "Helferrich Hooligans".  All the students were asked to wear gold---the color of this year's Hooligans t-shirts.  That seems to be the only significance of the chicken----the color gold.  Guess that's what he had in his closet.

Hope these two teams meet again in the playoffs.  The Bears will play better---they can't play worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 04, 2010, 11:46:31 AM
Helferrich is a fantantsic place to watch a game, especially if the Hooligans are out in force in large numbers. Congratulations to the Red Devils for pulling off another upset over McDaniel last night. Don't think any of us saw that win coming for our pickems. I think we are in for some severe weather this weekend, not sure how it will effect traveling for Saturday's games. Here are my Saturday picks:

F&M over Muhlenberg ( This should be a tough close game)
Washington over Dickinson ( The Shoreman have been up and down, on paper this should be a win)
Gettsburg over Ursinus( The Bears might have spent too much engery against the Dips)
Haverford over McDaniel ( Lost to the Devils stings, the Fords hang another L on McDaniel)
Hopkins over Swathmore( The Jays are also a streaky team)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 04, 2010, 06:19:30 PM


Reserved Seat and Gabriel -

Kudos for the excellent reviews of the F&M-Ursinus game. They were almost as good as actually being there and were remarkably similiar from two different perspectives and two different rooting interests.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 04, 2010, 07:45:50 PM
Picks for Sat 2/9

F & M
Washington
Gettysburg
Haverford
John Hopkins

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 05, 2010, 08:09:59 AM
saturday picks

F&M
Washington
Gettysburg
Haverford
Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 05, 2010, 09:00:37 AM
Picks for Saturday 2/6/2010

F&M (should be a close game but home team prevails)
Washington (Dickinson improving but not enough)
Ursinus (can't drop two bombs in a row--hopefully)
Haverford (Fords improving---the Terror going the other way)
Swarthmore (tough at home)

Hope the weather allows the games to be played.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 05, 2010, 05:07:14 PM


BTEXPRESS -

Based on your commentary after each of the games, it appears to me that for this weekend's games you are picking Gettysburg to beat Ursinus and Johns Hopkins to beat Swarthmore. However, I am just a bit unsure. The other three games are clear to me. So, please confirm your picks in those two games. Thanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 05, 2010, 06:11:49 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for this weekend's games if they are able to be played:

Muhlenberg @ F&M:   F&M

Johns Hopkins @ Swarthmore:   Johns Hopkins

Ursinus @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg  (Tough pick - could be close. Just think Bullets need the game more and it is on their home court).

McDaniel @ Haverford:   Haverford  (Another tough pick - just seems like the Ford are playing better right now).

Dickinson @ Washington: Washington.

My planned trek to Mayser is up in the air right now due to the weather. For those folks traveling - be careful. Good Luck. Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 05, 2010, 10:35:24 PM
Looks like tomorrow is a wash/white out.
It's like the last game not posted (F&M/Muhlenberg) on the Centennial site is now going to be played on Monday.  Tentatively they're saying 6 and 8 for the women's and men's.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 06, 2010, 06:36:07 PM
Haverford/McDaniel game originally scheduled for Sunday at Haverford will be played on Monday at 8 PM (women at 6). The women's game with Immaculata will be rescheduled.
I enjoy following this classy forum and hope everyone is safe and dry!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 06, 2010, 10:16:44 PM
Cancellations permit me to make my picks which I hadn't made for Saturday
Hopkins @ Swat  Hopkins in a tight one
Ursinus @ Gettysburg  Gettysburg needs it more and Ursinus may have a letdown after F&M game
MCDaniel @Haverford Picking Fords, terror seems to have thrown in the towel
Dickinson @Washington Dickinson improving but picking Shoremen who are tough at home and need a win
Muhlenberg @ F&M Mules in an upset
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 07, 2010, 08:32:09 AM
Picks for snowed-out games:

Ursinus
F&M
Johns Hopkins
Washington
Haverford

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2010, 10:48:43 AM
Revised picks for snow games

Snow games
Franklin & Marshall(won't be as easy as last time)
Washington
Ursinus
Haverford(tough call)
Johns Hopkins
                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 08, 2010, 11:27:28 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on February 05, 2010, 05:07:14 PM


BTEXPRESS -

Based on your commentary after each of the games, it appears to me that for this weekend's games you are picking Gettysburg to beat Ursinus and Johns Hopkins to beat Swarthmore. However, I am just a bit unsure. The other three games are clear to me. So, please confirm your picks in those two games. Thanks.

Eric


Eric, Just to confirm, my picks remain the same: F&M, Washington, Gettysburg, Haverford & Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
As expected the Muhlenberg/F&M was much closer than their first meeting in Allentown.
Muhlenberg came to play and never let F&M put the game out of reach.  Liddic and Foster dominated the scoring for Muhlenberg in the first half as they had over 90% of the Mules' scoring.  Liddic ended with 20 points and 10 rebounds-Foster with 19-8.  In the second half the mules had more well-rounded scoring as Greenstone ended with 10 points.
F&M big a double digit lead several times, but the Mules would recover and close the gap.
Despite being pushed and shoved McNally ended up with 23-13.  Tolliver added 11 points, and Brooks contributed a 9-9 performance.  F&M's defense was the difference as F&M had 7 blocks to 1 for the Mules--steals 9-5--and turnovers caused 21-15.  Sloppy passing contributed to F&M' ability to pull away.  The Mules shot 15-18 from the line--F&M 7-11.
Rebounds were about even with the Mules +1.
The Mules played an excellent game.
Wednesday's game at Gettysburg should be a challenge to test F&M's mettle away.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 09, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
I haven't had much luck lately picking the conventional way so here goes:

Picks for Wednesday, 2/10/2010 (weather permitting)
I am going with all visiting teams
Muhlenberg
F&M
JHU
Ursinus
Washington

Saturday, 2/13/2010
I am going with all home teams
Ursinus
Dickinson
Washington
JHU
Muhlenberg


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 09, 2010, 12:44:14 PM
1/10 picks?
G-burg
M-berg
JHU
Ursinus
SWAT

1/13 picks:
F&M
Ursinus
Dickinson
Haverford
M-berg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 09, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
I don't think we will see any games played on Wednesday because of the weather, but here are my picks:
I am also picking all the visiting teams.

Muhlenberg
F&M
Hopkins
Ursinus
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 09, 2010, 01:16:32 PM
Gabriel's post raises an interesting question: what is the exact home court advantage in the CC this season so far? As I am snowbound in Silver Spring MD, have shoveled the snow (for now-ugh more is on the way), helped clean the house and completed my taxes (even though there is no mail to speak of), I performed the calculation (obviously just our conference games). The CC enjoys a 0.6 winning percentage at home (42W, 27L-JHU and Swat have played 13 rather than 14 games). As of now, this is not a huge difference. The biggest disparity (I do not claim any statistical significance) is Swat. They are 4-3 at Tarble with impressive wins against GBurg and Ursinus, but 0-6 on the road. Doubt that we will see any games Wednesday. That may be good. Somebody other than Haverford can get Ursinus after a tough loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on February 09, 2010, 02:28:28 PM
My wife ppicked these games, since the 2nd half I have been awful.

Wednesday, February 10
#15 Franklin & Marshall at Gettysburg
Muhlenberg at Dickinson
Johns Hopkins at McDaniel
Washington at Swarthmore

Thursday, February 11
Ursinus at Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 09, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
saw the haverford/mcdaniel game last night. mcdaniel looked pretty rough without sarris grau, so i understand why they are losing alot lately. many players on mcdaniel looked unskilled and resorted to football like play. not a pretty game. the coach of mcdaniel had several meltdowns as well. all in all, a strange night and not a pretty basketball game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2010, 06:22:14 PM
Rather rely on my crystal ball--my wife would probably pick the teams based on uniforms.
Swarthmore would definitely be out with the S on their butt.

Whenever they're played
#15 Franklin & Marshall
Muhlenberg
Johns Hopkins
Washington
Ursinus

Saturday, February 13(maybe)
#15 Franklin & Marshall(can't afford to lose twice to Washington)
Ursinus(McDaniel season is shot and Ursinus fans are very supportive)
Swarthmore(could be their win away from home)
Johns Hopkins(home team)
Gettysburg(tough call)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
division3
Quotesaw the haverford/mcdaniel game last night. mcdaniel looked pretty rough without sarris grau, so i understand why they are losing alot lately. many players on mcdaniel looked unskilled and resorted to football like play. not a pretty game. the coach of mcdaniel had several meltdowns as well. all in all, a strange night and not a pretty basketball game.

Sounds like most of the McDaniel games I've seen in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 09, 2010, 07:47:49 PM
Picks for  weds 2/10 and or Thurs 2/11

F & M
Muhlenberg
McDaniel
Swarthmore
Ursinus

Not trying to rub it in or anything, but so glad I decided to stay put in FL.
My home in MD has 28 inches from the last storm, with more tonight thru tomorrow.

Enjoy the games but not the weather

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 09, 2010, 07:50:11 PM
Congrats to Chris Heine- Dickinson and Spencer Liddic- Muhlenberg Co- Players of the week

Read the rest here: http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2010/MBK_208.pdf (http://www.centennial.org/basketball/2010/MBK_208.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 09, 2010, 07:52:09 PM
Just saw this on the Conference home page

Basketball: Ursinus at Haverford, ppd to Thursday
Basketball: Johns Hopkins at McDaniel, ppd to Thursday

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 09, 2010, 08:16:21 PM
division3

Quote
saw the haverford/mcdaniel game last night. mcdaniel looked pretty rough without sarris grau, so i understand why they are losing alot lately. many players on mcdaniel looked unskilled and resorted to football like play. not a pretty game. the coach of mcdaniel had several meltdowns as well. all in all, a strange night and not a pretty basketball game.

Sounds like most of the McDaniel games I've seen in the last few years.

Reserved seat,

Your statement makes no sense.  McDaniel had two of their best seasons the past 2 years, while finishing 2nd in the conference a year ago.  They lost alot of seniors, unexpectedly Kevin Henry prior to the season, and then the Sarris-Grau injury really did them in about a month ago.  Alot to overcome this season for any team, but this hardly was the case the past few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 09, 2010, 09:29:29 PM
wed and thurs picks
F&M
Muhlenberg
Hopkins
Swarthmore
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 10, 2010, 09:06:54 PM
F&M @ Gettysburg Bullets in an upset at home
Muhlenberg @ Dickinson  Mules win one on road
Hopkins @ McDaniel Terror struggling JHU wins in a tough venue
Washington @Swarthmore Shoremen win in march to playoffs
Ursinus @Haverford picking bears even though it's a must win for Fords
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on February 10, 2010, 11:32:30 PM
Snowstorm let's me get the picks in from Wednesday's games (whenever they may finally be played):

Havorford will beat Ursinus

McDaniel will beat JHU.  Yea, yea, I know, but I think they still have something left.  They have been playing very hard; just not effectively...not motivated to win.  Trying too hard not the lose.  Curley needs to let them play a bit and shoot the ball when they have a good shot rather than seemingly demanding they use the entire clock and end up getting a bad shot.  Was also at the Haverford game.  Ugly in many ways.  Curley's outbursts may have been directed towards firing up the team but I would not call them meltdowns.  Couldn't blame him, though.  Fouls were 10 against McDaniel and only 1 foul against the Fords late in the first half.  Almost seemed as though the aggresive defense by Haverford (very good I might add), which could have resulted in many hand check and pushing fouls, was rewarded by the officials by no calls.  Also seemed like only one official made almost all the calls (including a borderline intentional foul).  Same ref missed an inbounds violation right in front of him.  While not a particularly well officiated game that was also not the cause of the lose by the Terror.  The Fords play McDaniel very aggressively and played well.

Franklin & Marshall over Gettysburg.

Muhlenberg over Dickinson.

Washington over Swarthmore.

For Saturday (will it be clear by then?):

Washington will complete the sweep of F & M.  Wow, Sorry guys.

Still gonna stick with McDaniel over Ursinus (Terror always laay well at Ursinus.

Swarthmore over Dickinson.

Haverford over JHU.

Muhlenberg beats Gettysburg..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 11, 2010, 11:17:49 AM
old man terror
seems like we saw the same game. the fouls were widely distributed (many for terror, few for fords) in the first half as you said. it should have not been that disparate. the fords are by no means a great team, but they looked like they played better basketball than terror that night. at times,a few terror players seemed to be trying to physically intimidate rather than play ball and i think that is where they went wrong and maybe the foul calls recognized that. your assessment is really fair.mcdaniel will be back...playoffs seem highly unlikely for them this year; fords have an outside shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 11, 2010, 01:01:23 PM
Both Gettysburg and F&M's athletic sites say their game is still on tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 11, 2010, 01:33:57 PM
The main CC site has not been updated, still showing games listed for yesterday. Anyone have an updated schedule for all the games from Wednesday????
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 11, 2010, 04:19:12 PM
Picks for the postponed games:

Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
McDaniel
Washington

Safe travels to all...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2010, 04:20:10 PM
F&M-Gettysburg game is on for tonight... just talked with Coach Glenn Robinson in a taped interview for Hoopsville tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 11, 2010, 09:45:45 PM
Haverford 78
Ursinus    69
Final
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 11, 2010, 10:27:16 PM
Good job there Old Man Terror!  Your pick of Mules over the Dicks was spot on! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 11, 2010, 10:28:31 PM
Enjoy coming to Mayser Gym- rest of the CC!  THIS YEAR WE ARE WINNING THE CC TOURNEY EASILY!  Mules cannot even beat sucky Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 11, 2010, 10:31:43 PM
Are you coming to F&M for the CC tourney?  I would like to meet you. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2010, 10:40:09 PM
I'm not, sorry. I'm not based in D.C. anymore. I live in Minneapolis.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 11, 2010, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: docmarc on February 11, 2010, 10:28:31 PM
Enjoy coming to Mayser Gym- rest of the CC!  THIS YEAR WE ARE WINNING THE CC TOURNEY EASILY!

While I didn't expect F&M to clinch home court this early, I don't think winning the CC tournament will be "easy." Have you forgotten the Dips' home CC title game losses to Gettysburg twice (2002, 2009) and Ursinus (2005)? The conference title never comes easy, even at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 11, 2010, 11:19:13 PM
F&M seemed to be cruising in Gettysburg with a double digit lead most of the game but suddenly near the end of the game went on a spurt with Zurin forcing the pace of the game.
Gettysburg closed the gap to 6(McNally picked up 2 quick touch fouls to put him on the bench with 4 fouls)  before Milligan took charge of the pace of the game to lead F&M to 76-58 victory. 
McNally lead all players with 24 points and 10 rebounds, while playing good defense on Powers.
Powers scored 19 with many coming when McNally wasn't in the game.  Zurin contributed 18 points for Gettysburg and Milligan had 16 for F&M along with Baker's 12.  F&M shot 3 for 5 from three range and Gettysburg 3 for 16, a far cry from the shooting of Dorsey and Capkin from last year.  F&M actually shot 15 for 19 from the line, while Gettysburg was 11-17.
F&M will be glad to the championships in Mayser.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 12, 2010, 05:36:54 AM
Picks for 2/13/10

F & M
Ursinus
Dickinson
Hopkins
Muhlenberg

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 12, 2010, 07:08:19 AM
Quote from: docmarc on February 11, 2010, 10:28:31 PM
Enjoy coming to Mayser Gym- rest of the CC!  THIS YEAR WE ARE WINNING THE CC TOURNEY EASILY!  Mules cannot even beat sucky Dickinson.
dear docmarc ...
1- F&M winning the CC easily? silly statement... even though it is possible, they have certainly had games where they showed weakness this season.
2-'sucky dickinson' comment-they are young, play with heart and deserve respect, like all the teams.( if i remember correctly, F&M lost to McDaniel,whose record is 4-10, this year. strange things happen in basketball)

are you a high school student planning on going to F&M? if so, good luck with your applications.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: RedDevil4Life on February 12, 2010, 07:33:30 AM
Below is a link to vote for Dickinson Senior QB Ian Mitchell for his phenominal efforts off the field to raise money for children with cancer and other life threatening diseases. He is nominated along with several D1 football players for the "Rare Disease Champion Award". Please go to the website below and show your support by voting for Ian.

Carlisle Sentinel Story:

http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2010/02/10/news/local/doc4b72c7198e960585816937.txt

Vote for Rare Disease Champion:

http://www.upliftingathletes.org/vote
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 12, 2010, 10:12:55 AM
Crazy season in the CC this year. Congratulations to the Red Devils for the big win against the Mules last night. I am a Devils Fan but didn't see that coming. Not sure if people realize this or not but Freshman and Sophomores make up 95% of Dickinson's roster. They are taking their Lumps this year, but with the new coach in place, their future appears bright. They are a scrappy bunch that is for sure. My picks for Saturday 2/13.

F&M
Ursinus
Dickinson
Hopkins
Muhlenberg

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 12, 2010, 11:23:10 AM
Quote from: RedDevil4Life on February 12, 2010, 07:33:30 AM
Below is a link to vote for Dickinson Senior QB Ian Mitchell for his phenominal efforts off the field to raise money for children with cancer and other life threatening diseases. He is nominated along with several D1 football players for the "Rare Disease Champion Award". Please go to the website below and show your support by voting for Ian.

Carlisle Sentinel Story:

http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2010/02/10/news/local/doc4b72c7198e960585816937.txt

Vote for Rare Disease Champion:

http://www.upliftingathletes.org/vote


That was very cool RedDevil.  Thanks for sharing it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 12, 2010, 07:38:51 PM

Folks -

Here are my picks for tomorrows games:

McDaniel @ Ursinus:  Ursinus. (Two teams going in opposite directions. Bears relly need win for playoff seeding).

Swarthmore @ Dickinson:  Swarthmore. (Tough to pick).

F&M @ Washington:  F&M. (Cain Center in Chestertown is tough place to play. Dips always have trouble there! Worried about let-down game after Gettysburg win. Will take Dips and the revenge factor).

Haverford @ Johns Hopkins:  Johns Hopkins. (Another close game. Give the Jays the home court edge at Goldfarb).

Gettysburg@ Muhlenberg:  Muhlenberg. (Bullets need win more. Definite edge to the Mules at home in the "Mule Barn").

Hope everyone has survived the snows! Travel safely and enjoy the games. Good luck! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 12, 2010, 07:42:36 PM

Folks -

I made the trip to Gettysburg last night to see the win by the Diplomats. After the snow storms, I just had to get out of town for awhile to relieve cabin fever! However, I am not traveling to Chestertown tomorrow - its about four and one-half hours each way for me.

Now that things are slowing down and the Borough's snow removal efforts are progressing well, I will turn my attention to posting some updated standings for the last several sets of games. Sorry about the delays! Patience.........

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 12, 2010, 09:32:57 PM
saturday picks

ursinus
swarthmore
F&M
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 12, 2010, 10:27:25 PM
F&M @Washington Shoremen win over F&M who have already clinched 1 seed
Gettysburg @Muhlenberg Mules win on senior day at home
McDaniel @ Ursinus Bears win big over a fading Green Terror
Swarthmore @Dickinson Red Devils win at home
Haverford @JHU Loser is eliminated from playoff chase, Hopkins a grudging pick over disciplined Fords
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 13, 2010, 08:50:27 AM
Tough loss for Ursinus at Haverford on Thursday,  The Fords played very well and deserved the win.  They just wanted it more than the Bears as indicated by Haverford winning the battle of the boards 38 to 28.   Ursinus is struggling right now.  They just don't know who they are. Hope they come around before they are shut out of the playoffs.

As an aside, the officiating at Haverford was----to be kind---inept.  Fouls---26 on Ursinus---16 on Haverford.  Freethrow attempts 34 by Haverford versus 17 by Ursinus.  This difference is too significant to ignore.  Why do visiting teams not get objective officiating any more? Perhaps this is something the NCAA should address.  It is not only DIII but seems to be worse at that level.  At Haverford it was not the home crowd as there were only about 170 people in the gym and half were Ursinus fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on February 13, 2010, 10:01:30 AM
Todays Picks:

Ursinus

Dickinson

F&M

Johns Hopkins

Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 13, 2010, 10:36:22 AM
2/13 picks:

Washington
Ursinus
Dickinson
Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 13, 2010, 07:36:36 PM
F&M easily got revenge for their earlier loss(74-58) despite a threat with about 11 minutes to go when the Shoremen cut F&M's lead to 6, but a during a run of about 19-6 F&M hit 4 threes-3 by Milligan.  The scrappy play of Washington kept the Shoremen in the game. Their defense did a good job of denying McNally many open looks.  F&M's scoring attack was well-rounded as F&M had almost 5 men in double figures(Brooks 17-Milligan 14-McNally 12- Tollivar 11-Driver 9)
F&M took control of the boards with a 44-29 advantage.  Breslin lead Washington's scoring with 19 and Kines added 15.  Fouls were about equal after Washington was called for several late in the second half. (F&M 18--Washington 16)  Foul shooting F&M 16-19(too bad they can't do that consistently)  Washington 14-20   Three point shooting  F&M 4/8  Washington 2/13
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on February 14, 2010, 04:32:49 PM
Picks for 2/17

Johns Hopkins at #15 Franklin & Marshall
Ursinus at Washington
Dickinson at Gettysburg
Muhlenberg at Haverford
Swarthmore at McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 14, 2010, 09:06:15 PM
Picks for Mon 2/15/10
John Hopkins

Weds 2/17

F & M
Gettysburg
Washington
Muhlenberg
Swarthmore

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 14, 2010, 11:04:20 PM
monday pick
swarthmore

wednesday picks
F&M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Haverford
Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 15, 2010, 11:46:49 AM
Today's pick:

HOPKINS over Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on February 15, 2010, 03:15:40 PM
Forgot tonights game:

Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2010, 04:16:41 PM
Final Regular Season Picks

Monday, February 15
Swarthmore

Wednesday, February 17
Franklin & Marshall
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Swarthmore

Saturday, February 20
Franklin & Marshall
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Washington
Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 15, 2010, 04:30:07 PM


Folks -

My pick for tonight's make-up game is as follows:

Johns Hopkins over Swarthmore. (JHU needs win to keep its slim playoff hopes alive).

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 15, 2010, 04:38:14 PM


Folks -

Very belatedly, here are some updated standings. The chart below shows the results of games played on 02/01 and 02/03 and the to-date standings including those games.

SECOND HALF
   02/01 &02/03   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
RESERVED SEAT   4 –2   34 – 13   .723
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 – 3   32 – 14   .696
GABRIEL   3 – 3   36 – 16   .692
DIVISION3   4 – 2   35 – 16   .686
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 3   33 – 18   .647
BRCE4   3 – 2   32 – 18   .640
BTEXPRESS   4 – 2   32 – 20   .615
D. B. COOPER   3 – 3   31 – 21   .596
GODIPS04   2 – 4   28 – 19   .596
OLD MAN TERROR   2 – 4   18 – 14   .563
OLD ENDS   3 – 3   3 – 3   .500
         
It looks like just about anyone can still end up on top of the standings at the end of the year. I will post other results and standings later on today. Since it has been some time since the games were actually played, please double-check your individual results to make sure that I haven't made any mistakes in recording, tabulating, or calculating.

Enjoy! Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 15, 2010, 05:36:04 PM
Picks

Monday, 2/15
JHU

Wednesday, 2/17
F&M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Haverford
McDaniel

Saturday, 2/20
F&M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
JHU
Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 15, 2010, 06:51:43 PM
Pick re-listed again for tonight: JHU

2/17 picks
F&M
Ursinus
G-burg
M-berg
McDaniel

2/20 picks
F&M
Ursinus
G-burg
Washington
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 15, 2010, 07:03:59 PM


Folks -

In my ongoing effort to get caught-up on the recent games played for the Pickems contest, I am posting another set of results and to-date standings. They are as follows:

SECOND HALF
   02/08   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
RESERVED SEAT   3 –1   37 – 14   .730
DIPLOMANIAC1   4 – 0   36 – 14   .720
DIVISION3   4 – 0   39 – 16   .710
GABRIEL   3 – 1   39 – 11   .700
OLD ENDS   4 – 0   7 – 3   .700
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 1   36 – 19   .660
BRCE4   3 – 1   35 – 19   .650
BTEXPRESS   4 – 0   36 – 20   .650
D. B. COOPER   4 – 0   35 – 21   .630
GODIPS04   3 – 1   31 – 20   .610
OLD MAN TERROR   3 – 1   21 – 15   .590
         
The above results are for the games that were played on Monday, February 8. Those games were originally scheduled to be played on Saturday, February 6 and were postponed due to the first big snow storm of the month. Both the results of the four games played that day and the to date standings are shown above. Be sure to double-check your individual results to make sure that I haven't made any mistakes in recording, tabulating, or calculating and let me know if any changes are needed. It was a pretty good day for everyone!

Regards to all!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 15, 2010, 07:08:52 PM


Old Man Terror, Brce4, and R. W. McKnickles -

Everyone else has updated their "pickems" selection for tonight's Johns Hopkins - Swarthmore game that was initially scheduled for Saturday, February 6 and then subsequently rescheduled twice to Monday February 8 and then to Monday, February 15. Do you want to change your pick or do you want me to use that selection? Let me know. Thanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2010, 07:33:04 PM
diplomaniac1
Just thanks for keeping up-to-date on the games.  The snow has made your effort one to be commended.  I wouldn't even want to check my own results with all the delays we've had.  I'm just assuming you're right.  Again, thanks for your efforts.  Hopefully, we can finish off the refular season without any more snow postponements.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 15, 2010, 10:50:46 PM
yes...thanks diplomaniac for an ongoing great job. our race is pretty tight. how many of us get a certificate? 1st, 2nd and 3rd?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 16, 2010, 12:56:08 PM
Eric, you have done a great job keeping track of the picks. Heck, I'm having trouble keeping track of my own picks with all the postponments etc. Here are my picks for Wednesday 2/17

F&M over Hopkins ( Dips keep rolling)
URSINUS over Washington( Both teams need a win)
GETTYSBURG over Dickinson( The Devils have had a nice little run, but not in this game)
MUHLENBERG over Haverford( Tossed a coin on this pick)
MCDANIEL over Swarthmore( Going with the home team)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 16, 2010, 10:25:13 PM
F&M over Hopkins
Ursinus @ Washington 2 teams fighting for seeding I like Shoremen @ home
Dickinson @ Gettysburg Red Devils improving but Bullets will win game important to their seeding
Muhlenberg @ Haverford Mules win to set up seeding showdown in Collegeville
Swarthmore @ McDaniel I pick Swat over a struggling Terror
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 17, 2010, 07:24:39 AM
Eric, thanks for asking about Monday's game, but I would have kept it the same as my Feb. 6 pick (Hopkins). But Swat won anyway, so I guess it didn't matter!

Here are my picks for tonight (2/17):

F&M
Washington
Gettysburg
Haverford
McDaniel

The Dips can't take their foot off the gas pedal this week at home. If they lose in the CC playoffs, these games could determine their chances of a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 17, 2010, 10:22:39 AM
Much like last year, F&M is already assured a bid barring anything short of a complete collapse.  Theyre really just playing for national seeding now (although i'm sure the Dips will play hard for that tourney title to make amends for last year). 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 17, 2010, 10:38:23 AM
It is with the very  deepest humility and sincerest gratitude that I thank Swat for beating JHU and allowing my Fords to cling to the slimmest of playoff chances. I think the only scenario that works is the Fords win their next 2 games (no small task), Washington and JHU lose tonight, JHU beats Washington on Saturday. Haverford has the tie breaker over Washington by virtue of the season sweep. All of this is very, very unlikely, but one never knows-there are always the 2008 Eagles!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on February 17, 2010, 02:23:06 PM
Picks for final two game days are below.  As to the JHU - Swat game my pick would have remained the same.....whatever it was.  I cannot believe you can keep this staright.  Anyway....

2-17 Winners:

Franklin & Marshall
Washington - great matchup for playoff ramifications
Gettysburg
Haverford - Muls continue to struggle
McDaniel - Terror looked much better in the second half against Ursinus.  Hopefully they can keep it together for the last 2 games.  Tough year for the Green Terror.

2/20 Winners:

F & M
Ursinus
McDaniel - I know this is a tough pick over Gettysburg but gotta stick with 'em.
Washington - Playoffs here they come.  Not sure anyone wants Washington in the playoffs.
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 17, 2010, 02:30:24 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for tonight's games:

F&M  (Just need to keep winning one game at a time)

Gettysburg  (Need to win to build some momentum)

Ursinus  (Need to win to build some momentum)

Muhlenberg    (Don't do well away from Memorial Hall, but I think they are stronger than the Fords)

Swarthmore    (A coin toss - perhaps they get finally a big road win tonight).

I am going to try to visit Mayser Center tonight! Good luck. Travel safely and enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 17, 2010, 10:39:22 PM
Hopkins playing for a play-off spot shocked F&M with a one point victory(46-45).
F&M's horrendous shooting allowed Hopkins to get back into a game where they were losing by 13 with about 10 minutes left.  F&M got stuck on 40 as Hopkins fight their way into the lead.
Three point shooting
F&M 0/11
Hopkins 2/7

Foul shooting
F&M 9/18
Hopkins 10/14

Hopkins had a +4 on the boards, but F&M had a +6 on caused turnovers.
Hopkins had an early lead.  At the 15 minute mark of the first half the score was tied, but F&M built a 6 point lead going into the half.
After the break F&M built a double digit lead, but stalled when they hit 40 points with about 6 1/2 minutes to go.
Farber-Miller lead Hopkins with 14 points--no one else in double figures
McNally lead F&M with 15 points--Baker 12 and Brooks 10.  No one contributed much in points.  Milligan contributed 7 assists.
F&M is making it difficult for themselves when it comes to getting a home game in the NCAA play-offs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 17, 2010, 10:52:05 PM
Did anyone have a good night on their picks?
A lot of surprising scores.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 18, 2010, 10:53:51 AM
Nope, I got HAMMERED going 1 and 4 on the night. Oh, the beauty of the CC pickems!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 18, 2010, 06:44:12 PM
Picks for 2/20

F & M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Washington
Haverford

Well after Yesterdays games it just brings to mind the old saying " that on any given night any team can be beat".
Fun season again.

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 18, 2010, 09:54:14 PM
Saturday 2/20 games
F&M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Washington
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 18, 2010, 11:50:41 PM
For those who may have missed it on the front page, we have an interesting interview with Ursinus Coach Small and senior guard Remy Cousart in this week's Around the Nation column.

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 19, 2010, 09:49:25 AM
Picks for Saturday's 2/20 games:

F&M
URSINUS
GETTYSBURG
WASHINGTON
HAVERFORD
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 19, 2010, 06:49:03 PM



Fellow Centennial Conference Fans and Prognosticators -

The following is another update for our "Pickems Contest". It is from the games that were played on February 11 and February 12 and which were rescheduled from February 10 and February 11, respectively, due to the second large snow storm to hit the area. It shows the individual results from those games and the to-date standings.

SECOND HALF
   02/11 & 02/12   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GABRIEL   3 – 2   42 – 13   .770
RESERVED SEAT   3 – 2   40 – 16   .720
DIVISION3   3 – 2   42 – 18   .700
DIPLOMANIAC1   2 – 3   38 – 17   .690
BTEXPRESS   3 – 2   39 – 22   .640
BRCE4   2 – 3   37 – 22   .630
R. W. MCNICKLES   1 – 4   37 – 23   .620
D. B. COOPER   1 – 4   36 – 25   .590
GODIPS04   2 – 3   33 – 23   .590
OLD MAN TERROR   3 – 2   24 – 17   .590
OLD ENDS   1 – 4   8 – 11   .540
         
Read it and weep! None of us had a particularly good time of it with these games as our crystal balls must have been frozen up! More updates will be forthcoming over the weekend and early next week.

It looks like just about anyone can still end up on top. Since it has been some time since the games were actually played, please double-check your individual results to make sure that I haven't made any mistakes in recording, tabulating, or calculating.

Enjoy. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 19, 2010, 08:00:10 PM


Folks -

Here is a correction to the above standings chart. The line for Old Ends should read as folows:

Old Ends      1 -4      8 - 7      .534

Sorry about that!

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 19, 2010, 08:36:40 PM



Folks -

Although our individual records were all over the place regarding Saturday's games last weekend, the vast majority of the pickers were better than .500. It looks like some of those crystal balls got thawed out fast and began to work again! Major kudos go to GODIPS04 for his perfect 5 - 0 record. Props also go to the three of us who had 4 - 1 records: RESERVED SEAT, BTEXPRESS, and OLD ENDS. We also offer a moment of silence to OLD MAN TERROR for being shut out with his 0 - 5 record.

Anyway, the following chart represents another update on our "Pickems Contest". It contains the results for the five games played last Saturday, February 13. As always, it also shows everyone's To-Date Record and Win-Loss percentage.

SECOND HALF
   SAT.02/13   TO DATE   PERCENTAGE
GABRIEL   3 – 2   45 – 15   .750
RESERVED SEAT   4 – 1   44 – 17   .721
DIPLOMANIAC1   3 – 2   41 – 19   .683
DIVISION3   2 – 3   44 – 21   .677
BTEXPRESS   4 – 1   43 – 23   .652
BRCE4   3 – 2   30 – 24   .625
GODIPS04   5 – 0   38 – 23   .623
R. W. MCNICKLES   3 – 2   40 – 25   .615
OLD ENDS   4 – 1   12 – 8   .600
D. B. COOPER   3 – 2   39 – 27   .591
OLD MAN TERROR   0 – 5   24 – 22   .522
         
It is still fairly close at the top and anyone can still be the victor! Again, because it has been a week since those games were actually played, please double-check your individual results, standings, and percentages to make certain that I haven't made any mistakes in recording, tabulating, or calculating.

Congrats! Enjoy. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 19, 2010, 09:10:33 PM

Folks -

Here are my selections for the final regular season pickems. They are as follows:

Dickinson @ F&M: F&M (Dips need a solid win to reestablish momentum for Conference Tournament and. hopefully, beyond)

Muhlenberg @ Ursinus: Ursinus (Neither team is playing particularly well of late. However, Mules weak on road and have lost seven of last eight in Collegeville. Bears should have enough)

Gettysburg @ McDaniel: Gettysburg (Terror doesn't appear to have anything left in the tank)

Washington @ JHU: Washington (It is a tough pick as Jays are always tough at home in Goldfarb. Just think that Shoremen appear to have the momentum right now)

Haverford @ Swarthmore: Swarthmore (Battle of the Main Line Area Colleges. The Fords may be the stronger team. But, I will take the Garnet at home on Senior Day).

I plan to travel to Mayser Center tomorrow. Good luck with your picks. Travel safely and enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 20, 2010, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: division3 on February 18, 2010, 09:54:14 PM
eric (diplomaniac)
please see below..i believe i was 3-2 last saturday, not 2-3. thanks. division 3.

Saturday 2/20 games
F&M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Washington
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 20, 2010, 09:40:01 AM
2/20 picks to close out the regular season:

F&M
Ursinus
McDaniel
Washington
Swarthmore

With Muhlenberg, Washington and Ursinus each at 10-7, it will be a wild afternoon as teams try to avoid having to play the 4-5 game on Wednesday night. It appears that Washington could clinch the #3 seed with a win regardless of what happens in Collegeville by virtue of their win over F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 20, 2010, 10:31:37 AM
rw I think you're correct about the Shoremen, if they win, Mules and Bears are playing to determine the home team in the 5-4 game.
Picks
F&M red devils finished well but Dips too strong and win big at Mayser
Muhlenberg @ Ursinus Mules up and down all year due for an up, Mules win and hope Hopkins beats Wash
Gettysburg@McDaniel terror usually tough at home but struggled this year Bullets win
Washington@Hopkins Pressure on Shoremen to clinch 3rd, guess here is Hopkins to win at home.
Haverford@Swarthmore rivalry game between 2 well coached improving teams, I like the Fords to win
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 20, 2010, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 18, 2010, 11:50:41 PM
For those who may have missed it on the front page, we have an interesting interview with Ursinus Coach Small and senior guard Remy Cousart in this week's Around the Nation column.

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/
thanks for the link. cousart comes off very well, like a good, special kid. smalls came off okay...said all the right things.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 20, 2010, 12:33:57 PM
Trying something new today with live video broadcast of Ursinus/Muhlenberg.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/d3hoops-ursinus-vs-muhlenberg

Maybe it'll even work. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on February 20, 2010, 03:13:05 PM
Picks for today:

Not sure when tip off is for all the games, so disregard any that are late:

F&M
Ursinus
Gettysburg
Hopkins
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 20, 2010, 07:56:12 PM
Wednesday, February 24
First Round: Muhlenberg at Ursinus

Saturday, February 27
Semifinals: Gettysburg vs. Washington; Muhlenberg/Ursinus at Franklin & Marshall

Sunday, February 28
Championship: semifinal winners

Game times will be determined during a conference call on Monday morning and will be posted on www.centennial.org by noon EST.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 20, 2010, 08:54:01 PM
Unfortunately for Dickinson, F&M came back from their debacle of Wednesday with a vengeance.  All 15 F&M saw playing time.  Sal Salvati, on Senior Day, almost doubled his scoring for the season with 10 points.  Two other subs more than doubled their season output.
McNally lead the scoring with 19 and the rebounding with 10.  Other players contributing significant points were Milligan(12), Baker(12), Tolliver(9), and Brooks(9).  F&M dominated the boards with about twice as many as the Red Devils.  Both teams struggled at the foul line--Dickinson 22/35 and F&M 17/30.
Looks like the play-off pairings are set for the week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 22, 2010, 08:58:54 AM
Pick for Wednesday is Ursinus.  Why would I change now?  The deciding factor could be the availability of Remy Cousart.   Will he be able to  play or not?  Ursinus will need to make some defensive adjustments in order to advance.  They just cannot continue to give up 80 plus points a game.  Offensively they are good but not that good.

Ursinus has been hit by injuries the past few years----Shattuck in 2008, Hilton & Howell last year and Cousart this year.   Part of the game I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 22, 2010, 09:08:57 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 22, 2010, 08:58:54 AM
The deciding factor could be the availability of Remy Cousart.

What happened to Cousart?  From the Ursinus press release after Saturday's game:

"The Bears played most of the game without senior guard Remy Cousart (Philadelphia, Pa./Holy Ghost) who was sidelined due to an injury. He did, in Willis Reed type fashion, make an appearance in the second half for 11 minutes. He did hand out three assists."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 22, 2010, 02:23:00 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 22, 2010, 09:08:57 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 22, 2010, 08:58:54 AM
The deciding factor could be the availability of Remy Cousart.

What happened to Cousart?  From the Ursinus press release after Saturday's game:

"The Bears played most of the game without senior guard Remy Cousart (Philadelphia, Pa./Holy Ghost) who was sidelined due to an injury. He did, in Willis Reed type fashion, make an appearance in the second half for 11 minutes. He did hand out three assists."

I think it is an ankle injury sustained in Wednesday's loss to Washington.  Hopefully he will be cleared to play against  Muhlenberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 22, 2010, 10:21:25 PM
wed playoff game prediction

ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 23, 2010, 01:15:13 PM
I will go with URSINUS as well for Wednesday's playoff game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 23, 2010, 01:21:20 PM
2/24 play-in game:
Will go with Ursinus with or without Cousart
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 23, 2010, 04:12:44 PM
Play-in game pick:

Ursinus


Any thoughts on the All-CC team? My POY is James McNally, who has improved his defense this year to become a tremendous all-around player. Along with McNally, here's my guess at the possible teams. It was tough to keep Hilton and Liddic off the first team, but I tried to keep two big guys and three guards on each team.

1st
James McNally, F&M
Andrew Powers, Gettysburg
Remy Cousart, Ursinus
Andrew Chambers, Washington
Georgio Milligan, F&M

2nd
Spencer Liddic, Muhlenberg
Jon Ward, Ursinus
Matt Hilton, Ursinus
Anthony Brooks, F&M
Will Gates, Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 23, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Swat Dad,

That's a good point -- I was looking at overall stats. I didn't realize that Will was second in scoring in the conference-only stats. I saw him once this year, and he was definitely impressive. I'm not sure who I'd take off the first team, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2010, 06:02:41 PM
It's hard to pick an All CC team when you only see some of the players several times.  The coaches get to see the players much more often when they're watching scouting tapes and scouting reports. It hard to evaluate hustle and heart.  Also, strong players on a weak team have a hard time when the opponent can key on them. F&M players have several weaknesses-foul shooting and 3 point shooting,  but looking at steals and block shots, especially blocked shot, these are definite strengths.  Also, looking at the stats doesn't tell much about defense.   Most of the stats are offensive.
Gates is definitely my ROY, but I'm not sure if he's first team(I'm leaning toward first-team).  Zurn, also, played well when I saw Gettysburg.  Also, I think Brooks had a more consistent year than Milligan for F&M. McNally is my POY.  He is F&M's most dominate player, and other teams double and triple team to keep him from scoring, or they pack in a zone to keep the ball out of his hands. Despite my ramblings here are my All-CC picks.

POY--McNally
ROY--Gates
COY-- still have to think about it(I can't remember the preseason team picks)

1st
James McNally, F&M
Andrew Powers, Gettysburg
Remy Cousart, Ursinus
Andrew Chambers, Washington
Will Gates, Swarthmore


2nd
Spencer Liddic, Muhlenberg
Matt Hilton, Ursinus
Anthony Brooks, F&M
Andrew Farber-Miller JHU
Georgio Milligan, F&M

There are several other players worthy of inclusion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Based on preseason expectations, COY should be Rob Nugent --WC.
Washington was picked for 7th and ended up 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 23, 2010, 07:44:29 PM
Will Gates averages 18.2 points per game because he is a gunner.  His shooting percentage is 34%, which is not very good.  Alot of players in this conference could score 18 points a game if they shot the ball 20 times a game.  Don't get me wrong he is a talented player, but definitely not a first-teamer.  I would say second or honorable mention, which is a great honor for a freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 23, 2010, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 23, 2010, 04:56:22 PM
Really? Will Gates second team? 18.2 point/game (2nd in league) and 8.2 rebounds/game (4th in League). Give Swarthmore some love! =) Not sure what you have to do to get first team.
With all due respect, it seems inappropriate for the father of a player to campaign (even if it is on a message board) for his own kid. Just let the kid play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on February 23, 2010, 08:19:20 PM
Well it looks like Ursinus at home...for the play in game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2010, 08:46:41 PM
As everyone knows, I'm a fervent F&M fan, but Gates lit up F&M both times he played them.
He shot over 50% and averaged 24.5 against one of the best defenses in the conference.
Sometimes it hard to shot a high percentage when you're the go to man on a weak team.
As I said in one of my previous posts, I said he probably wasn't a first team pick; but when I evaluated the other players on what I saw, he was definitely one of the better players I watched this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 24, 2010, 01:00:29 AM
Quote from: d3hoopsfan on February 23, 2010, 07:44:29 PM
Will Gates averages 18.2 points per game because he is a gunner.  His shooting percentage is 34%, which is not very good.  Alot of players in this conference could score 18 points a game if they shot the ball 20 times a game.  Don't get me wrong he is a talented player, but definitely not a first-teamer.  I would say second or honorable mention, which is a great honor for a freshman.

Gates took well under 20 shots per game (15.1 to be exact) in conference play.  With almost half of his shots coming from 3-point range, his overall shooting percentage is a bit misleading (though he still isn't exactly efficient). He's also a good free throw shooter, which helps his efficiency.

I'm not saying he's a first teamer, but I don't think you can dismiss his scoring.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 24, 2010, 07:24:58 AM
gates is a spot up shooter with a quick release; a catch and shoot guy who needs to be open to score. he is obviously given the green light to shoot anytime he wants. on a team that is not strong, he ends up forcing. he is definitely a shooter with a gunner's mentality.while gates is definitely a good shooter, i find jon ward to be a better, more complete, exciting and certainly more athletic player. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 24, 2010, 08:49:40 AM
Mules to win play in game. Nugent should be coy, he did a great job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 24, 2010, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 23, 2010, 04:12:44 PM
Play-in game pick:

Ursinus


Any thoughts on the All-CC team? My POY is James McNally, who has improved his defense this year to become a tremendous all-around player. Along with McNally, here's my guess at the possible teams. It was tough to keep Hilton and Liddic off the first team, but I tried to keep two big guys and three guards on each team.

1st
James McNally, F&M
Andrew Powers, Gettysburg
Remy Cousart, Ursinus
Andrew Chambers, Washington
Georgio Milligan, F&M

2nd
Spencer Liddic, Muhlenberg
Jon Ward, Ursinus
Matt Hilton, Ursinus
Anthony Brooks, F&M
Will Gates, Swarthmore

R.W.

I like your choices.  I would have picked Cousart as POY prior to the last 6 games but think that McNally deserves it now.  Cousart just wore down.  ROY could go to Ward or Gates.  Either would be a good choice.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 24, 2010, 11:42:39 AM


Folks -

My pick for tonight's "play-in" game in the Conference Tournament is Ursinus to beat Muhlenberg. Both games were fairly close. I will take the Bears because they seem to be playing just a little bit better than the Mules right now and they are at home!

Enjoy the game! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2010, 01:25:51 PM
Tonight's pick-Ursinus--they still scare me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2010, 05:42:08 PM
The CC first team would beat a lot of teams especially with the sixth man. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 24, 2010, 06:24:34 PM
Congrats to the following first team members, all were very deserving!

G-Remy Cousart, Ursinus...............................Sr 6-2 Philadelphia, PA / Holy Ghost Prep
G-Georgio Milligan, Franklin & Marshall......... So 6-2 Spring Valley, NY / Don Bosco Prep, NJ
G-Andrew Chambers, Washington ................Sr 6-0 Williamsport, MD / St. Maria Goretti
F-James McNally, Franklin & Marshall............. Jr 6-6 Bridgewater, NJ / Bridgewater-Raritan
F-Spencer Liddic, Muhlenberg (A).................. So 6-5 Clarks Summit, PA / Abington Heights
F-Andrew Powers, ........................................ Jr 6-6 Boyertown, PA / Boyertown

Being a newcomer, I am very impressed with the level of play in the Centennial Conference. I come from an area where D3 ball is very good (Ithaca College, Hamilton, ect.) but was especially impressed with F&M and Gettysburg (along with others).

Division3, I guess we all have our own opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 24, 2010, 08:17:11 PM
great to have you on the board, swat dad. america is a great country!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 24, 2010, 09:01:20 PM
Thanks Div3. I do want you to know I wasn't campaigning, it was meant to be tongue in cheek. I have coached high school ball for 24 years and was just trying to get some love for a team that puts good kids on the floor that, well, struggles for wins. I really enjoy reading everyone's posts this year and learning so much about this incredible conference. F&M is really really good and Gettysburg seemed like a D1 team the first game against Swarthmore (complete with an alley-oop dunk). One of the things I think everyone missed this year was Haverford's three guard offense. I found them fun to watch. The one player I really thought was good was Bo Friddle (spelling?). He is a beast on both ends of the court, especially on top of that 1-3-1 zone. I also must comment on how many players I met this year from other teams there were nothing but quality fine young men that seemed humble and sincere. There are some world leaders out there on the court in the Centennial Conference. One of them is Matt Allen on Swarthmore. He is the most outstanding young man I have ever met. I love this conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 24, 2010, 09:28:54 PM
swat dad...i too like the conference quite a bit. there is not a huge distinction between teams...anyone can win or lose on any given week and i like that. you are right...haverford doesn't get much ink here and i too like their team. their guards are good,active, and play tough. they had a strong end of the season after a tough start. i also agree about the quality of the kids...an inspiring bunch.
by the way,muhlenberg just beat ursinus pretty bad at ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 24, 2010, 09:33:09 PM


Folks -

From the Centennial Conference site, it lists the score of tonight's game as:

Muhlenberg - 84

Ursinus - 69.

Is that right? If so, I would term it to be a mild upset or surprise! Comments anyone? Did anybody see the game tonight?

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 24, 2010, 09:36:41 PM
i watched it on live stream...ursinus looked out of sorts. only hilton looked okay. muhlenberg got good scoring from foster, tozer and frankowski. muhlenberg played basic and well and ursinus just couldn't get anything going.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 25, 2010, 09:17:43 AM
i knew muhlenberg was a lock the minute all of you morons picked Ursinus in your "pickem" league.  hopefully the Dips are good enough to overcome whatever curse you plan to put on them this week!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 25, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on February 24, 2010, 09:33:09 PM


Folks -

From the Centennial Conference site, it lists the score of tonight's game as:

Muhlenberg - 84

Ursinus - 69.

Is that right? If so, I would term it to be a mild upset or surprise! Comments anyone? Did anybody see the game tonight?

Eric



Eric,

You could call it a mild upset since Ursinus defeated the Mules twice earlier this season.  Muhlenberg seems to play better without Barnes and played very well on both ends of the court.

Ursinus was never really in this game---just laid a major egg.  Cousart played--- but on one leg due to a severely sprained ankle.  His game is slashing and dishing and he could do neither as evidenced by his stats 1 for 8 from the field and 6 points.  He is the heart and soul of the team and without him they are mediocre.  Reminded me of the 2008 season when Shattuck played the playoffs with two badly sprained ankles and a deep bone bruise in his heel. 

The freshmen played like freshmen.  Muhlenberg shut down their post play.   Ward (22 minutes) and Janowski (18 minutes) were both were in constant foul trouble. Donahue did not score.  The good news for Bears fans is that next year they will be sophomores---all with terrific upsides.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2010, 01:20:53 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 25, 2010, 09:17:43 AM
i knew muhlenberg was a lock the minute all of you morons picked Ursinus in your "pickem" league.  hopefully the Dips are good enough to overcome whatever curse you plan to put on them this week!

Hmm -- this coming from a guy who's made all of two posts and calls himself "Lusty Larry in the Toilet." Not sure what qualifies someone to call someone else a moron.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: berghoops on February 25, 2010, 02:23:06 PM
Pat -

That's a slow one right down the middle. 

Answer :  "Takes one to know one ! "
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: berghoops on February 25, 2010, 02:31:21 PM
( with no disrespect to the fine gentlemen picking games and enjoying a positive community experience )
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 25, 2010, 03:32:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2010, 01:20:53 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 25, 2010, 09:17:43 AM
i knew muhlenberg was a lock the minute all of you morons picked Ursinus in your "pickem" league.  hopefully the Dips are good enough to overcome whatever curse you plan to put on them this week!

Hmm -- this coming from a guy who's made all of two posts and calls himself "Lusty Larry in the Toilet." Not sure what qualifies someone to call someone else a moron.


I drafted a response earlier but decided to take the high road and not send it.
Pat's response was much kinder.  I like this blog because it is civil with input from true fans who know something about basketball.  We do not all agree but, at least we refrain from name calling and respect other opinions.  If this blog descends into "the Toilet", I will tune out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2010, 04:33:18 PM
Excellent response, Gabriel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 25, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
For those of you coming to Lancaster or watching the free live video and live stats at home...

http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/2010CCMBB/2010CCMBB (http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/2010CCMBB/2010CCMBB)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 26, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
My picks for Saturday's Semi Final games;

F&M over Muhlenberg( Dips won't lose at home)
GETTYSBURG over Washington( Strictly a GUT pick, this game should go down to the wire)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 26, 2010, 03:31:21 PM
Saturday Picks

F&M (defense gets it done, will be a close game however)
Gettysburg (could go down to the wire)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 26, 2010, 04:17:09 PM
Looks like the picks are
F&M
Gettysburg

Sound good to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 26, 2010, 06:04:58 PM
Mules and Gettysburg in what should be 2 very good games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 26, 2010, 08:36:56 PM


Here are my picks for tomorrow's two Centennial Conference Semi-Final Games:

F&M vs. Muhlenberg:  Muhlenberg

Gettysburg vs. Washington: Gettysburg

I echo everyone else's comments that seem about right to me. If this weather lets up, I will be traveling and spending time in Lancaster watching three very good basketball games.

Enjoy the games. Good luck with your picks. Travel safely if you are out and about this weekend. Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 26, 2010, 09:52:47 PM
my picks for Saturday playoffs:

F&M
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 26, 2010, 09:55:01 PM
Question...
What is karma on this board? I have none and that worries me!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2010, 10:29:46 PM
You shouldn't ask. -1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 26, 2010, 11:59:46 PM
31...you have a bright future mailsy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 27, 2010, 05:32:40 PM
OK - I was correct! Gettysburg and F&M were the two best teams that I saw this year. I am amazed that each team scored over 90 points in a game this big. My pick is F&M by three points. I think it will come down to whether the officials let F&M get away with a lot of holding and grabbing on defense. The two games I watched against Swarthmore involved very physical defense bordering on a holding penalty and first down and 10 to go. Congrats to both teams! It is my humble opinion that each team should go to the dance this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 27, 2010, 06:01:33 PM
Ridiculously good shooting day in the centennial!
In final:F&M should win but gettysburg certainly could win.
i say F&M by about 8.
F&M will win on their tenacious and active "D".

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2010, 06:42:16 PM
Swat Dad,
I thought it was Swarthmore that played football.

F&M tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 27, 2010, 08:19:35 PM
I remember your assessment of the game and I saw it the other way. I thought Swarthmore got frustrated from all the grabbing and holding. The second game was even worse. Point of emphasis this year was two hands on offensive player by defender was automatic foul. F&M starts every defensive play with two hands on defender, especially with man on ball and player going through picks. Mind you, if they let you play this way, it greatly increases your chance to win. So I am not complaining at all, just pointing out an observation. I think they are the best team in the league but very physical on defense. This does bode well for post season as the refs tend to let them play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2010, 10:02:25 PM
I sat between the fans for Washington and Gettysburg today, and it's definitely which side you favor as to how you view the game.  It was humorous listening to the sides argue over every call.  It was enjoyable watching the game not caring about the fouls.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 27, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
Reserved Seat - that is such a great point! I was coaching a game and argued a blocking call. The ref came over and said, "You wouldn't think that if you were coaching the other team." I laughed and told him he was correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 28, 2010, 12:32:23 AM
i saw F&M play several times this year and i think they are a  good defensive team. i think mcdaniel was the team that played the most like a grab and hold/football team. milligan on F&M is a particularly good defender. i didn't experience what swat dad did.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on February 28, 2010, 09:58:28 AM
F&M to win CC title today. They have size speed and depth and could make another run in NCAA's
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Old Man Terror on February 28, 2010, 10:08:29 AM
Well, missed getting the picks in for the tourney but was keeping trach.  Would have picked Ursinus in the play in game like most others.  Actually thought (maybe hoped for Nugent) that Washington would have made the finals but along with everyone else figured on F&M making it through.  For the championship game the winner should be F&M, but you know what?  Something in the back of my head says Gettysburg.  The two times I saw F&M I felt like something was missing.  Loks like they found it but gotta go with the underdog upset on this one.  Gettysburg....by 5.  And oh, well, at least the Green Terror women are still playing!   Best of luck to both teams and hoping the game is decided by the players; not the officials.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2010, 11:23:55 AM
Must go with F&M Sunday in their building. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 28, 2010, 12:16:20 PM
I actually enjoy reading all of you morons worried about "the Toilet" talk on this site!  Classic.

As for the games, one moron based his predictions on F&M and Gburg on how they played against Swarthmore.  Any moron could beat that awful Swat squad.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- see you at the Dip Zone today!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 28, 2010, 01:01:49 PM
I will not dignify that with a response as I have learned not to make fun of people with the I.Q. of a goat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2010, 01:40:03 PM
Speaking about officiating, here's a quote from the local Lancaster paper after a high school district play-off game.  The game was tied at 38-38 after 3 quarters.  Hempfield, the winning team, did not score a basketball in the fourth quarter but hit 22 of 26 foul shots to win by 6.  I'm glad I didn't see that game; the officiating must have been a little lopsided.

QuoteTo understate, there were too many whistles from there on out. The second half saw three technical fouls (all on players) and two intentional fouls. The fourth quarter saw Hempfield go to the line an insane 26 times.

"They were fouling us an awful lot," Goodling explained.

Penn Manor coach Charlie Detz(former 2-time All-American from F&M) no doubt had a different take, but left the arena without talking to the media.

"I'm sure they're mad about the refs," said Walck

I certainly would have been upset with the refereeing.  I'm sure Detz didn't agree with the calls.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 28, 2010, 01:56:58 PM
Swat dad- just because your kid went to Swarthmore does not mean that you did.  Let's talk about your intelligence.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 28, 2010, 04:50:50 PM
Congrats to F&M for a well earned championship! I picked them by three points so I was pretty darn close! Onward to hopefully a national championship!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 28, 2010, 05:14:10 PM
Swat dad great prediction after the fact who are you biff with the sports almanac
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 28, 2010, 05:17:03 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 27, 2010, 05:32:40 PM
OK - I was correct! Gettysburg and F&M were the two best teams that I saw this year. I am amazed that each team scored over 90 points in a game this big. My pick is F&M by three points. I think it will come down to whether the officials let F&M get away with a lot of holding and grabbing on defense. The two games I watched against Swarthmore involved very physical defense bordering on a holding penalty and first down and 10 to go. Congrats to both teams! It is my humble opinion that each team should go to the dance this year.

If you had looked back a page, you would have seen my prediction. But with the I.Q. of a goat........
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2010, 05:38:49 PM
Congratulations to Gettysburg for a great contest.  Gettysburg wasn't going to make it easy for F&M.
GO F&M.
The brackets are suppose to be posted around 10:30 tomorrow morning.  Thank goodness we don't have to wait to see if F&M would be a bubble pick.  Last year was nerve-racking waiting to see if they got a bid.  No worry this year.  Maybe, they'll get a home round.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2010, 05:51:36 PM
Be nice if they got to play Cabrini instead of some Maryland school.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 28, 2010, 06:07:58 PM
Since St. Mary's and Albright won their games this week, F&M will almost surely be ranked 3rd in the region, making it pretty unlikely F&M would host (IMO).  If one of those teams has insufficient facilities for hosting NCAA tournament games (the St. Mary's page says their gym holds 1200, which is quite small), then there may be a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 28, 2010, 07:57:28 PM
Problem with F&M today was free throw shooting and outside shooting- 180 degrees opposite from the semifinal vs. Mules.  Did you predict that as well Swat Dad?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2010, 10:47:48 PM
D3 site predicts F&M will play Oneonta in Reading with Albright playing Desales.
The next round predicted to be in St. Louis.
Hope they're wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on February 28, 2010, 11:40:48 PM
Docmarc...
what's up with the aggression and disrespect? nobody wants that here. maybe you can just share your basketball opinions without the nasty commentary. i have had a difference or two with swat dad but we worked it out for the most part. there really is no need to call anyone a moron or promote bad feelings. it's a good group of people here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 01, 2010, 08:10:28 AM

hoops ville claims that what happened last year does not matter for what happens this year.  What a moronic statement
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2010, 08:42:51 AM
I was just amazed by the athleticism shown by F&M yesterday.  Makes me wonder who votes in these D3 hoops polls.  F&M made the final four last year, and are clearly a more athletic team than the one they had a year ago.  Seeing athletes believe in themselves and their abilities is what sports is all about.  As for Gburg, oh soooooooooooooooo close, but yet so farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr away!   

Finally, the score of the game shouldve been 66-64, looked like powers' last shot went before the buzzer, and as such he was robbed of a 30 point game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 01, 2010, 08:45:18 AM
The ghost of Centennial past almost showed up in Mayser yesterday, but the Dips hung on despite poor foul shooting. At least there's no hand-wringing like last Selection Monday (remember that, DB?).

I would normally assume that a conference champion with a 23-4 record would have a shot at hosting the opening weekend, but with Albright and St. Mary's winning -- and presumably not falling from their top spots in the region -- I'm not sure what will happen.

Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2010, 10:47:48 PM
D3 site predicts F&M will play Oneonta in Reading with Albright playing Desales.
The next round predicted to be in St. Louis.
Hope they're wrong.

Reserved-

I was surprised this site put F&M in Wash U's region. I doubt the NCAA will do the same, but who knows? Strange things happen this time of year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2010, 09:10:39 AM
good points RW, i would say the chances are close to zero percent F&M would be in a St. Louis region.  it just doesnt pass the smell test.  And as for hosting, the tournament takes economics into the equation.  F&M's gym would be a better place than St. Mary's gym, and thats assuming they would keep all top 3 Mid atlantic teams in the same pod (highly unlikely). 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: docmarc on March 01, 2010, 08:10:28 AM

hoops ville claims that what happened last year does not matter for what happens this year.  What a moronic statement

For terms of tournament selection, yes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2010, 08:42:51 AM
I was just amazed by the athleticism shown by F&M yesterday.  Makes me wonder who votes in these D3 hoops polls. 

Not sure what's wrong with the poll based on yesterday. F&M was ranked ahead of Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on March 01, 2010, 10:21:07 AM
Franklin & Marshall will head to Kings Point, N.Y. for the first and second rounds of the NCAA Division III Men's Basketball championship.  The Diplomats (23-4) will take on Oneonta (22-6) in one game, while the host Mariners (23-4) will face Wesley (19-8) in the other matchup.  Game times will be determined during a conference call among the participants.  Most likely, F&M and Oneonta will meet in the opener on Friday night, followed by USMMA-Wesley.  Complete bracket: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on March 01, 2010, 10:25:29 AM
Yesterday's game was entertaining to say the least. In the second half, I looked up at the scoreboard and couldn't believe Powers had over 20 points(he had 8 at halftime). He carried the Bullets on his back in the second half. F&M would have won by double digits if they could have made their foul shots at the end. It will be interesting to see where they are placed. I also agree that Powers should have been credited with the bucket at the end. On a side note, the one thing I have noticed over the years going to watch games at Mayser, is the the local community really comes out to support the Dips. It is not uncommon to see many Senior citizens come out for the games. I haven't really seen that kind of support at the other CC venues. As a matter of fact, I was kind of disappointed with the student support from BOTH schools yesterday. I remember a few years ago when when the Dips beat the Bullets at Mayser in the finals, there was a tremendous amount of students, with great banter back and forth throughout the whole game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2010, 10:28:23 AM
Commish, will you be traveling to Long Island to watch the CC's rep this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2010, 10:42:33 AM
F&M didn't luck out  this year.
Terrible site location.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 01, 2010, 10:56:32 AM
Not necessarily.  This is the closest F&M ever had to play to NYC.  NYC has a LOT of F&M alumni.  If F&M can get the word out, there may be some decent attendance, especially if they win on Friday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 01, 2010, 11:01:08 AM
Interesting about that Powers irrelevant shot at the buzzer.  Kind of reminds me of the 1994 Finals in reverse, when Lebanon Valley lost to NYU but a referee decided that shots after the buzzer count and gave LVC a tainted championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 01, 2010, 11:04:14 AM
Guys, that "meaningless" loss to JHU took them from a potential #1 regional ranking to this Odyssey. Going from hosting a pod to having a tough game against a strong Oneonta State team & then probably a road test against the Merchant Marines (if they are lucky to win 1st game) who are said very tough to beat at home in a remote corner of Long Island.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 01, 2010, 11:29:30 AM
Oneonta appears to have good size with Beckford and Walsh at 6'9" and 6'8" respectively. They played a somewhat challenging schedule--beat Muhlenburg at Muhlenberg in an early season tournament.  All starters are Juniors and Seniors.  Looks to be a challenge.

If the Dips win, they will probably play the MMA.  Ursinus lost to a very disciplined MMA team 58-54 in Florida after Christmas.  They are good---not big but physical.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 11:56:45 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 01, 2010, 11:04:14 AM
Guys, that "meaningless" loss to JHU took them from a potential #1 regional ranking to this Odyssey. Going from hosting a pod to having a tough game against a strong Oneonta State team & then probably a road test against the Merchant Marines (if they are lucky to win 1st game) who are said very tough to beat at home in a remote corner of Long Island.

Not sure if it's a remote corner of Long Island -- they're right across the water from the city. But as someone who's been there a couple times, it's a little hard to find, so if that's your definition of remote, I'd agree.

It is a very picturesque campus and a relatively small gym that could get loud if the cadets pack it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2010, 11:56:55 AM
to Crambam, the shot's only relevance wouldve been a 30 point game for Powers.  I actually thought the GBurg Coach made a terrible call though.  first he did not call a timeout to set up a final play (leading to a bad 3pt shot from powers, a good look but no footing), then he called the last timeout to "ice" Baker which didnt work.  But even if Baker misses you only have 3.5 seconds to go length of the court.  I'd much rather save that timeout so if you can rebound and set up a play.  Its like he went to the Herm Edwards international school for clock management.

I think F&M got a very favorable draw.  No real buzzsaw games (tough games, but not unwinnable for a veteran, athletic team).  I havent seen any of their opponents, but i'd rather have speed over size any day.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 01, 2010, 12:07:39 PM
Remember Lusty Larry and Crambam- don't talk about the past- there are certain people on this site that think that the experience that F&M gained last year will not help in the tourney this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 12:21:18 PM
Actually, docmarc is twisting the truth. The argument was whether that should help them FOR SEEDING AND SELECTION PURPOSES THIS YEAR. The answer is, of course, no.

But docmarc apparently doesn't like it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 12:22:31 PM
By the way, if I have to remove another Lusty Larry post then you will be gone, Larry.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2010, 12:31:02 PM
Mr. Coleman, it is not my fault that you hate freedom and would trample on my first amendment rights.  You cannot find one post i made that features a curse, and the only reason you want to delete my posts is because have always been biased against F&M. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 01, 2010, 12:35:38 PM
It's definitely not a remote part of Long Island.  It's exit 33 off the LIE.  I think F&M alumni should have no problem, especially programming a GPS.  For me, attending will depend on start time.  I'll be there on Saturday no matter what should F&M win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 12:40:34 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2010, 12:31:02 PM
Mr. Coleman, it is not my fault that you hate freedom and would trample on my first amendment rights.  You cannot find one post i made that features a curse, and the only reason you want to delete my posts is because have always been biased against F&M. 

Cursing is not the only way someone would get bumped. Immature sexual innuendo is just not necessary here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2010, 01:07:50 PM
Pat,
When you say small, do you mean I might not get a seat if I drive all the way there.
Will tickets be allotted to all teams to sell?


Bad site location meant distance for the local following.
I had figured F&M wouldn't get a home game with their non-quality losses.  John Hopkins wasn't the only one that factored in.  I was hoping they'd be at Albright.
As of now, if I can make arrangements, I have 4 other fans to go to the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 01:09:18 PM
Tickets are allotted to all competing teams at any NCAA Tournament game, yes.

I don't know what we listed the capacity as but my eyeball recollection is that it seats somewhere between 1,000 and 1,200.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2010, 02:45:40 PM
is it true, according to the release, that Merchant Marine only had 300 people at their last game, the title game vs scranton?  if so a terrible job by the NCAA allowing that program to host.  A 2 seed in their region (show me the teams they beat) hosting a 3 seed in the mid atlantic that oh by the way owns a win over the top seed?  My assumption is the ncaa figures fans from all teams that live in NY region will make the trip to see the game.  This isnt to trash MM, but I'm not impressed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 03:18:20 PM
Hosting isn't about the turnstile count. This isn't a money-maker for the NCAA as much as it is rewarding the programs that have earned the right to host, whenever possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
Oneonta seems to have height and three point shooters
Starters
Beckford(6'9"SR)14.9 pts and leading rebounder
Grimes(6'4"SR)13.6 pts
Hooks(6'1"JR)12 pts and leading 3-point shooter
Gillette(5'10"JR)7.1 pts
Walsh(6'8"SR)6.8 pts

Key Sub
Talbot(6'1"JR)10.3 pts
Hahn(6'6"JR) 5.3

Looks like they only go 7 deep

Stats look like they spread the points with no dominant player.

Shoot 42% from 3-point arc
Shoot 65% from foul line

Had impressive early season wins against Muhlenberg, William Paterson, and Ithaca.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2010, 01:29:17 PM
Anyone know start times for merchant marine division on Saturday?  Pat what are your predictions for games at mm?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2010, 03:59:20 PM
Based on my statistical analysis, i would create lines of F&M -8 and MM -14 in that pod.  This is based on pace of play as well as efficiency ratings that i have created.  A match between the two in the final would be very even, a pick'em in my book before any home court advantage MM might have.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 02, 2010, 05:39:44 PM


F&M's website lists this weekend's games times as follows:

Friday @ 6:00 P. M. - F&M vs. Oneonta State

Friday @ 8:00 P. M. - Merchant Marine vs. Wesley

Winners will meet on Saturday at 7:00 P. M.

Hope this information is helpful.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 02, 2010, 06:21:43 PM
 FYI, Oneonta,'s Brian Beckford was named SUNYAC player of the year and 1st team all conference.  Michael Grimes was named second team all conference for the second year in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2010, 06:56:16 PM
What's the usual home attendance for the Merchant Marine team?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 03, 2010, 10:19:17 AM
DOC will be out there at Merchant Marine for Saturday's game at 7PM.  The Dip Zone will be in full swing- be aware refs, other schools, other teams, and others! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2010, 10:57:27 AM
Yesterday i posted my official take on the two games in the MM pod.  I have reviewed the "William Paterson" region.  According to my stats, this region features two of the best three defenses in the country: WPU and F&M.  Both teams should win through the elite 8 unless running into an opponent that poses matchup problems.  For F&M that team could be Merch Marine, a solid offensive team that plays smart, but I'm unsure if it can match F&M athlete for athlete. 

William Paterson has no equal in their group of 8.  MIT and Desales will pose tests, but i dont think they have enough. 

This region also features the two best first round games of the tournament, Richard Stockton v Virginia Wesleyan.  I lean Stockton, but either team would pose a threat to St. Mary's in Round 2.  The second game is Desales v MIT. 

Cabrini v Randolph Macon is also a fine matchup, too close to call.  But i see either team defeating Albright and any of the three an underdog to a game likely played at William Paterson.

Here's how i handicap the region:
Favorite:  William Paterson, great defense, home court advantage.

Second: F&M.  Should this team survive Merchant Marine, a game with WPU would await, and that game could look like a Big Ten 44-41 slugfest

Third: Merchant Marine, two games at home followed by a winnable sweet 16 matchup vs an overrated St. Mary's.

Sleeper: Cabrini, a very efficient offensive squad that likes to play in the 70's. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2010, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2010, 10:57:27 AM
Second: F&M.  Should this team survive Merchant Marine, a game with WPU would await, and that game could look like a Big Ten 44-41 slugfest

Solid analysis, Larry. But unless their free-throw shooting improves, I'm not sure the Dips get past Oneonta State. F&M has a good defense, but missed free throws have already cost this team dearly (9-18 in the loss vs. JHU). With no reliable 3-point threat, they can't afford to give away points at the line.

I'll go with Merchant Marine coming out of this pod.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: lizalan07 on March 03, 2010, 11:58:20 AM
What's the deal with the E.C.A.C. South tournament this year? No teams from the CC or the CAC invited. Didn't anyone from the CC want to participate this year? Just wondering.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on March 03, 2010, 12:17:58 PM
I know from the Football season that many of the CC teams did not join the ECAC for this academic year. There was discusion that this was done as a cost saving measure.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2010, 12:26:38 PM
  Only 9 schools from the CC and CAC are ECAC members and 2(F&M, Wesley) are playing in the NCAAs, instead.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on March 03, 2010, 03:22:32 PM
It's been a long time since I've posted up.  I wish F&M all the luck in the world but I don't see them going too far this year.  Last year they lucked out with a pretty easy schedule to the Final Four.  It looks like this year they are going to have to beat some real quality teams to advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2010, 04:10:43 PM
Wow -- after three and a half seasons, I'm just glad that you either remembered your username and password or the system worked correctly to allow you to re-set it. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2010, 04:54:40 PM
Otis, i believe the word you are looking for would be favorable instead of easy.  They avoided any buzzsaw teams such as Widener or Ithaca, and they were able to host four games.  But they definitely earned their victories over NCAA tourney caliber teams, and this gave them valuable experience that you would hope carries into next year. 

That said, i saw a few things i liked out of F&M which leads me to believe they are a better team this year.  They are definitely a more athletic team than a year ago, and this definitely shows on the defensive side of the ball.  I really like what i saw out of Baker, looks like he gained strength in the offseason and is a more complete defensive player.  i'm excited for a potential F&M v MM game, and would be giddy about the physical war that could be f&M v WPU
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: otis on March 03, 2010, 07:28:57 PM
Pat - getting back on worked like a charm

Lusty - agreed - getting to the Final four never easy.  The last time the Dips had a strong run in the NCAA's when I was following them closely was the 2003-2004 season. Hampden-Sydney, Gwynedd-Mercey and Amherst were all outstanding teams.  Especially H-S.  I don't know how we pulled that one off.

I didn't see F&M in the play-offs last year but I'm not sure the road was as tough as 2004.  Maybe someone who saw both teams could weigh in. I saw one game last year at Muhlenberg. It's hard to compare diffrent years but from what I saw the 2004 team was better than last years team. Then again, F&M was extremely young last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 03, 2010, 09:59:02 PM
despite their good record, i feel F&M was very beatable in conference this year and wiggled out of alot of games where they were in trouble. if they play above their heads they can do well in the tournament, but i think they are very beatable. mcnally is huge for them...then come milligan and brooks and then it drops off pretty quick.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2010, 09:23:49 AM
for those who read Pat's playoff preview, i would take it with a grain of salt.  here's what he said last year:

"Most likely to disappoint: Franklin and Marshall. The Diplomats are coming into the tournament on a severe down note, having lost three of four and prompting people to question who of any consequence they've beaten this season. They could be one of the few teams to loseon their home floor on Friday night."

Unfortunately he said Merchant Marine is most likely to disappoint in the bracket this year.  that's the kiss of death, i might not even go Saturday (should f&m get there), as Pat has decided the game's fate.  I wouldve just preferred he continue his anti-F&M bias and ensure us another Final 4 run!

and you're right otis, i watched a lot of that 04 team, and they were better in my opinion than the one that went to the F4 last year, or at least more complete.  On the other hand, this current team is significantly better defensively, and is faster than what a lot of teams will expect. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 11:50:42 AM
Picked them to win the bracket in 2004 if they hosted the sectional. How did that turn out?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 03:40:19 PM
Don't forget, final three-plus hours to enter the D3hoops.com bracket challenge.

You have extra time for the women's bracket, since the first game isn't until 4 p.m. ET on Friday.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2010, 08:07:41 AM
for centennial fans interested, i have obtained a pirated Merchant Marine recruitment video (the first 15 seconds of clip). 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlDyr1uS2ys

should be a fun 36 hours to see who gets to the sweet 16!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
As I did not see a response to Lusty, Coleman must be embarassed about being wrong last year.  It also shows how biased he is against F&M.  I remember his broadcasts and predictions from 2004 and 2000.  How often do you see F&M in person Pat? 

Anyway, games start tonight in Kings Point.  I would see MM meet F&M in the 2nd round.  F&M's defense is pretty good.  The problem is how F&M responds to the zone defense thrown at them- they need to shoot well from the outside.  And then F&M has been absymal from the charity stripe- will that change?  See you on B2sports tonight at 6PM with my buddy Bryan Stabbe!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2010, 04:13:33 PM
Lusty- that video reminds me about your reaction about trading for Cromartie. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 05, 2010, 07:42:39 PM
Is there anything you guys can do about the feed?  Worked fine for the first half, worked fine until about 4 minutes in the second half when it kept cutting out.

That could be a problem in the future when games are closer.  Great job F&M!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 05, 2010, 08:02:25 PM
F&M 91, Oneonta State 77

McNally with another terrific game, 26 points and 9 rebounds. Brooks (19), Baker (15) and Driver (12) also in double figures.

A higher-scoring game than I anticipated. Solid win for the Dips, especially with Milligan relegated to the bench for most of the first half with early foul trouble. Now comes a likely matchup on the road against Merchant Marine, a difficult test in the airport hangar tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 05, 2010, 08:54:58 PM
Don't count Wesley out.  29-28 Wesley at the half.  The video is completely down.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2010, 09:48:18 PM
The video has been awful. 

Glad to hear Pat Coleman has a fan in that head commentator.

Game close 64-61 MM
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2010, 10:48:22 PM
Great game at Kings Point
Solid team effort.
Everyone was on the same page and hustled.
Driver played extremely well.
McNally played like a league POY.
Foul shooting reasonable.
Merchant Marines seemed very poised and ran their offense on every possession.
Not much height for MM.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2010, 10:51:29 AM
I put the line at MM -3 tonight.  F&M will need to be less sloppy and hit their free throws and outside shots against the zone.  F&M's defense was solid- how to defend the 3 is the question. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 06, 2010, 09:38:51 PM
F&M 73, Merchant Marine 64

Dips advance to the Sweet 16 with an impressive road win in Kings Point. McNally leads the way with 19 points and 13 boards. Difference appears to be on the glass (46-33 rebounding advantage for F&M) and field goal percentage (45.6% to 35.9%). A solid win for the conference against the Landmark's best.

St. Mary's awaits in the next round, likely in Maryland. Should be an excellent rematch of the early-season game.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 06, 2010, 10:02:15 PM
This game should NOT be in Maryland.  Head to head, F&M and St. Mary's played, and F&M won.  From what I hear, St. Mary's gym isn't that great either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 06, 2010, 10:05:14 PM
 Thats fine! Bring your team down to Virginia then, we would like very much to have you all visit us here in Ashland. It is about more then one game crambam. And St.Marys is central for all 4 teams. I believe that is what the NCAA looks at.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: stamolpid on March 06, 2010, 10:13:54 PM
But what about hotel facilities?  Have you seen where St. Mary's is located???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 06, 2010, 10:18:19 PM
 I travel that area very often. Yes I know where it is. Plus I doubt very much if the teams that played there this weekend camped out! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2010, 10:27:59 PM
Don ho enjoy your roadtrip up north.  Can't wait to play you in the elite 8
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2010, 10:34:31 PM
Thanks to mm for being a pain in the butt to get to. And thanks to the ad for yelling at FM fans.  Good job by Pat Coleman who properly predicted that mm would be the disappointment of the tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 06, 2010, 10:40:03 PM
 docmarc, no trouble for me. I will take the week off if that is the case and visit with family. I was born in lancaster and lived there for 30 years. Owned a house on Nevin street like two blocks from F+M campus.
Would be very nice to see you in the elite eight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 07, 2010, 12:39:24 AM
Elite 8 Appearances:
1979: F&M wins over Jersey City State (Lancaster)
1989: F&M loses to So. Maine (Gorham, Me)
1991: F&M wins over Rochester (Lancaster)
1992: F&M loses to Rochester (Rochester, NY)
1996: F&M wins over Wilkes (Lancaster)
2000: F&M wins over Catholic (Wayne, NJ)
2004: F&M loses to Amherst (Lancaster)
2009: F&M wins over DeSales (Lancaster)

I have been fortunate to see all these E8 games starting when I was an undergrad student watching Donny Marsh, Manaskie, Westley, Worley & Anderson lead the Dips to their 1st FF.
If F&M were able to beat St. Mary's in a contest which will surely be hosted by St. Mary's (MD) it could be my longest most remote trek ever to keep my E8 streak intact. It apparently would take me 5-5.5 hours from where I sit in NE Pennsylvania. Unfortunately either St. Mary's or VA Wesleyan as hosts, were going to remove me from seeing the Sweet 16 round in person, but theoretically the E8 game still exists.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2010, 04:06:16 AM
Quote from: docmarc on March 05, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
As I did not see a response to Lusty, Coleman must be embarassed about being wrong last year.  It also shows how biased he is against F&M.  I remember his broadcasts and predictions from 2004 and 2000.  How often do you see F&M in person Pat? 

You should think about reading more closely, Doc.

1) We didn't do predictions in 2000.
2) In 2004 I predicted F&M to the Final Four.
3) I responded to Lusty. Get it together -- you should be better than that.

I haven't seen F&M in person since I moved away from the east coast in 2008. Other than the Final Four last year, of course.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2010, 07:36:12 AM
Quote from: crambam on March 06, 2010, 10:02:15 PM
This game should NOT be in Maryland.  Head to head, F&M and St. Mary's played, and F&M won.

Yes, but the Dips couldn't take care of business against other teams. As D.B. said earlier, that loss to Hopkins wasn't so "meaningless." The regional rankings are what matter:

1.   St. Mary's (Md.)
2.   Albright
3.   Cabrini
4.   Franklin and Marshall   

I think revenue potential does play a role in the decision in some cases, but regional ranking determines a lot. I guess we'll find out in a few hours.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 07, 2010, 09:41:04 AM
DB--they played head to head.  Mano a mano.  F&M won.  They are both in the same spot--Sweet 16.  The point differential in F&M's losses were minimal, and they BEAT St. Mary's. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 07, 2010, 10:18:07 AM
Crambam, I wish it would be at Mayser. But based on how they view F&M this year, they apparently refuse to consider head to head because its a "secondary criteria" & I suspect will only consider the higher Regional Ranking & the more central location (if St. Mary's is central to anything). Hosting spot is long gone to Maryland, I know how this works. The team can possibly overcome it, but it may stop me from attending even may break my E8 perfect attendance record. Perhaps if Clark had beaten RMC then a consideration for Lancaster hosting, but as it stands it the longest of long shots.

About the games in King's Point, they were entertaining. The feverish adrenaline rushed charges back & forth between Dips & Mariners were superb. F&M's better depth perhaps a key. I agree that I saw no inappropriate behavior by any fans & cannot believe an AD actually said something to anybody.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on March 07, 2010, 10:40:21 AM
For those of us who could not make it up to NY, can someone say what the AD said?  Also how many F&M fans were there?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 07, 2010, 11:17:31 AM
DB--were you sitting on the same side as the F&M bench last night, or the other side?

It's hard to say how many F&M fans were there, but it looked like there were more than there were just because that gym was so small.

Basically, here's the story--as is the case at any average basketball game, especially a big one, the fans were supporting their team. 

Dare I say it, the MM fans were yelling when our guys were shooting foul shots!  The HORROR!

And F&M fans were doing the same when MM players were on the foul line.

GASP!

At one point, they were referring to Anthony Brooks as Dennis Rodman.  That was probably the WORST thing done by either side the whole night, and who cares?  That's nothing. 

So at one point, with a F&M player on the foul line, the MM fans did an airball chant.  You never see that.

When the guy hit the foul shot, WE did a mocking airball chant. 

He missed the second shot, and they were all happy, and the F&M fans responding with a teasing "we are winning" chant.  Yes, because words like WINNING are so evil.

Anyway, the game continues, and it becomes evident that they are just fouling and not mounting a serious comeback, and one of our fans stands up and yells, "YOU LOSE!"  He did that I think just 2 times, at the top of his lungs.

The athletic director then goes on her little rant.

She basically whined about how this is not the way to teach kids.  What?

Since when do fans of an opposing team have an obligation to teach kids anything?  More important, we didn't do anything!  The MM fans were far less courteous than the F&M fans, and THEY weren't doing anything wrong either.

Newsflash!  It was a basketball game.  Fans yell!

Another F&M fan politely reminded this lady that if these kids can't take what was going on in this basketball game, how would they do in the real military?  It was so out of line you can only make fun of it, but really, this lady had no business talking to anyone in the F&M section.

No one did anything wrong on either side.  She came off as a moron who was bitter because her team lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2010, 12:41:10 PM
Here are the site-selection criteria as listed in the Division III men's basketball handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2010/10_3_mbasketball.pdf) (page 7):

1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather,
accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to
assure fiscal responsibility.

The handbook also says the sectional site must have seating for at least 1,000. The St. Mary's website lists the capacity of its gym at 1,200. Assuming the area has necessary accommodations, it looks like St. Mary's to me.

Randolph-Macon and F&M were both ranked fourth in their regions, so that could be a toss-up if St. Mary's doesn't get it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2010, 01:31:15 PM
Tough game at Kings Point.
Both teams are very disciplined, but F&M was more athletic.  F&M's athletic ability appeared to cause the Merchant Marines to foul to prevent some easy basketball.  There was a lot of contact and more fouls could have been called, but the officials seemed to try to call it evenly.
There were a lot of no calls. 
The bantering between fans was vocal and most of it was rather common.  From what I heard( I was sitting behind the F&M bench), I think the AD took offense to the chant that sounded like "losers, losers."  I've heard worse.  Robinson seemed very happy with the fan support.  F&M had more fans than the Merchant Marines.  Their AD is probably not use to team with strong fan support.
Foul shooting is still going to hurt F&M.  You can't continue to miss 13 fouls.
From what Robinson said in the paper before the Merchant Marine games, the criteria used this year was strength of schedule, which unfortunately is very arbitrary when you have leagues of different abilities.  It doesn't seem that they used the criteria listed by r.w.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2010, 02:36:09 PM
Unfortunately, St. Marys will host.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2010, 03:49:15 PM
Just for the record... SMC's facilities are just fine... better then most of you realize. They can easily seat 1,200 with the ability to bring in more bleachers on one end. They did a great job this past weekend and will do just as good a job this coming weekend. And just because F&M beat SMC once... doesn't mean the rest of the season is ignored.

Also... there are PLENTY of hotels within 10 miles of SMC (La Quinta, Sleep Inn, Comfort Inn & Suites, Hampton Inn, Fairfield Inn, TownSuites, etc.)... and a number of restaurants and Solomons Island is worth checking out during the day Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 07, 2010, 04:23:12 PM
It is very simple why F&M should host.  F&M beat St. Mary's this season- I do not care about strength of schedule, etc. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2010, 04:28:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2010, 04:06:16 AM
Quote from: docmarc on March 05, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
As I did not see a response to Lusty, Coleman must be embarassed about being wrong last year.  It also shows how biased he is against F&M.  I remember his broadcasts and predictions from 2004 and 2000.  How often do you see F&M in person Pat? 

You should think about reading more closely, Doc.

1) We didn't do predictions in 2000.
2) In 2004 I predicted F&M to the Final Four.
3) I responded to Lusty. Get it together -- you should be better than that.

I haven't seen F&M in person since I moved away from the east coast in 2008. Other than the Final Four last year, of course.

Poor, poor F&M. They don't get respect from anyone, least of all the D3.com mavens. What's a body to do?



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2010, 04:38:08 PM
Quote from: docmarc on March 07, 2010, 04:23:12 PM
It is very simple why F&M should host.  F&M beat St. Mary's this season- I do not care about strength of schedule, etc. 

Gotta take care of business all season, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2010, 06:04:54 PM
Warren - they have a lot of respect from a lot of people... but that doesn't mean they just get to host just because. As I say all the time... the game on November 15th means the same as the one on Feb. 28th and all of them inbetween. You can't lose games you should be winning... and you can't put the situation in the hands of others to decide when you can get the job done yourself.

I hope F&M can make it back to the Final Four... but this time - unlike last time - they will have to prove themselves on the road. They do that... there will probably be a lot of respect for this team at the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 07, 2010, 08:57:16 PM
You do have to take care of business all season.  But the difference between the 2 teams is just one loss on that entire season.  F&M beat St. Mary's head to head.  Hopefully they'll do it again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2010, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2010, 03:49:15 PM
And just because F&M beat SMC once... doesn't mean the rest of the season is ignored.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2010, 04:38:08 PM
Gotta take care of business all season, I guess.

The Hopkins loss killed F&M's chances of a higher seed. The win over St. Mary's in November would have meant much more if the Dips could have beaten sub-.500 Lebanon Valley, McDaniel and Hopkins. So, the road to the Final Four is just that -- a road. Most F&M fans I talked to this weekend understand this. St. Mary's is clearly the right call for hosting the sectional.

Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2010, 04:28:54 PM
Poor, poor F&M. They don't get respect from anyone, least of all the D3.com mavens. What's a body to do?

The sarcasm is understandable, given the recent postings. Just know that these don't represent most F&M basketball fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2010, 10:10:25 PM
r.w. mcnickels,
You are certainly correct; if you can't beat sub .500 teams, you haven't earned a home game.
Hopefully, if F&M can play to their potential, they will gain the chemistry they need to win in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Flintstone203 on March 08, 2010, 12:08:30 AM
http://www.co.saint-marys.md.us/directions/

Here are directions to St. Mary's if anyone is interested. The traffic on the Capital Beltway can be pretty daunting at rush hour so I would factor that into travel time for anyone making the trip.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 08, 2010, 07:18:02 AM
2 of F&M's losses were by a combined 4 points, and a third was in OT.  They avenged 2 of the losses, and beat a third loss in their own gym.  The fourth loss just didn't have a rematch.

Yes, they shouldn't have lost those games, but that should give you an idea of how ridiculous it is to overanalyze those losses.  F&M could be a top 5 in the country team very easily.

And they BEAT St. Mary's head to head.

As for not earning a home game at all, the idea that a 5 loss team like Albright was ranked ahead of them in the region makes even less sense.  Good job getting out of the first round at home guys!

Done is done.  Hopefully, F&M will do what they have to do and move on.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 08, 2010, 08:38:18 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2010, 09:25:37 PM

Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2010, 04:28:54 PM
Poor, poor F&M. They don't get respect from anyone, least of all the D3.com mavens. What's a body to do?

The sarcasm is understandable, given the recent postings. Just know that these don't represent most F&M basketball fans.

Agreed. Most Dip fans don't whine and whinge.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 08, 2010, 09:17:46 AM
Three topics i'd like to address:

First, i was the individual singled out by the Merchant Marine AD, and thankfully several F&M fans came to my defense.  The last thing I would want to do is embarrass the school or the Conference, and i consider myself a pretty good judge of the line between supporting your team and embarrassing fan behavior.  I was pretty far back from that line.  The chant in question, i believe, was my "you lose" comment done in a deep, comical voice (made with roughly 40 seconds left when the game's fate was sealed).  I probably made it 3 times, and perhaps i should have only said it once or twice.  But in no way should this have warranted the insult heaved upon me by the MM AD.  A prior poster said it best, she was probably just not used to passionate fans.

Second, in no way should MM have been allowed to host that pod.  That gym was antiquated and felt like a glorified high school game.  And it isnt like Merchant Marine was Wash U or Williams, their record hardly warranted preferential treatment when considering other factors, such as travel.  Getting to that game on a Saturday night was absolutely brutal, and an impossibility on Friday night.  The ncaa shouldve done the right thing by traveling fans and the gate receipts and put the games in Lancaster. 

Finally, 52 weeks ago F&M fans knew that they would likely not get the chance to host a Regional finals in 2010 because of hosting in 2009.  All things being equal, the committee wasnt going to award F&M if they had a viable alternative.  This isnt to say the Dips deserve it more or less than SMC, but it is something fans knew going into the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 08, 2010, 10:32:06 AM
Right, but let's not act as if St. Mary's deserved it MORE than F&M, who BEAT them head to head.  At minimum, F&M should have hosted the round of 32.  Albright?  Seriously?  The results speak for themselves. 

And I agree about MM hosting the games.  Asking people to go on the LIE in rush hour is just asinine.  A dream would be seeing F&M playing at Hunter or NYU.  Now THAT would rule, and I hope that happens some day.  But MM was not a tournament worthy location.

For an 18 mile drive, it took over an hour on Saturday because the traffic was so bad.

Lusty Larry was WELL far back of the line. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 08, 2010, 10:54:41 AM
See everyone on Saturday for Elite 8 action- hopefully F&M gets there and there will not be any awful AD's like at MM. 

This game at SM is still a joke!  It is OK though- like the wins at MM, these tough road tests help F&M on the way to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2010, 12:40:20 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 08, 2010, 10:32:06 AM
Right, but let's not act as if St. Mary's deserved it MORE than F&M, who BEAT them head to head.  At minimum, F&M should have hosted the round of 32.  Albright?  Seriously?  The results speak for themselves. 

Again... F&M didn't have the regional ranking to host over Albright, who finished #2 in the final regional rankings behind St. Mary's. BOTH teams deserved it more then F&M and harping on one game isn't the arguement anyone who knows this system is going to tolerate.

The NCAA has many key factors when it comes to regional rankings and thus hosting locations. Albright's SOS was .564 - 16th toughest in the country - with a regional WL% of .800. St. Mary's had an SOS of .517 (120) and a WL% of .880. F&M, on the other hand, had and SOS of .492 (248) and a WL of .852.

Those stats alone would put SMC ahead of F&M despite the results of one game.

F&M also had a 1-0 record against regionally ranked opponents. SMC's record was 3-1 and Albright's was 4-2. (That is all based on final regional rankings, I might have missed a game or two since I didn't look at all the regional rankings).

All of that combines to SMC and Albright having deserved to host more then F&M. You have got to get over just ONE game played in December when the NCAA committees and those of us here at D3hoops.com look at an ENTIRE season!!! If SMC was 24-1 and lost to F&M who was 15-10 but got the automatic bid... should F&M still be the host???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 08, 2010, 12:51:01 PM
And that just shows that the regional rankings were poorly assigned, given that there is no case whatsoever that Albright should have been ahead of F&M, who had fewer losses.

Clearly, these SOS stats are bunk, given how Albright, with 5 losses, couldn't win a first round tourney game at home.

Nothing should factor in more than head to head play, especially given the overall W/L records, and the fact that 2 of F&M's losses were by a combined 4 points total.

Albright's performance in the NCAA speaks plenty.

SMC was not 25-1.  And F&M was not 15-10.

3 losses v. 4 losses, and a head to head match up.

In the case of Albright and F&M, F&M had fewer losses and a win of the top ranked team in the region.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 08, 2010, 08:54:25 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 08, 2010, 12:51:01 PM
Clearly, these SOS stats are bunk, given how Albright, with 5 losses, couldn't win a first round tourney game at home.

Because as we all know, one game can tell you everything you need to know about a team.

The SOS numbers may not be perfect, but Albright clearly played a tougher schedule.  F&M played one game all year against a team with a winning percentage above .652.  Albright played 8 such games and went 5-3.

As for St. Mary's, one head to head game at F&M does not erase the fact that St. Mary's lost fewer games to better opponents.  Though it's not one of the official criteria for ranking, I'd also like to point out that St. Mary's only played 10 home games (prior to the NCAA tournament), whereas F&M played 17.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 08, 2010, 09:01:26 PM
One game doesn't tell you everything you need to know about a team, but it says more than comparing SOS.

Two teams, one loss apart, played head to head.  For purposes of the Elite Eight, let them fight it out.  For purposes of hosting, ignoring last year's hosting, F&M deserves it.  NOT ignoring last year, I understand.

But to actually try to use SOS to deal with teams this good when head to head happened, just isn't right.  It might be ok if they didn't play, but they did, and F&M won.  Hopefully they will do it again on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 08, 2010, 09:35:27 PM
I know that agreement in this case is very unlikely, but I'll give it one more shot:

To be most "fair", the tournament should be perfectly seeded in each section.  The #1-4 team in the section should host the first 2 rounds.  The highest remaining seed after the first 2 rounds should host the next 2 rounds.  An important thing to note is that the teams are not reseeded after the first 2 rounds.

In this context, the importance of a single head-to-head game is reduced because you're not simply comparing 2 teams, you're comparing many.  Even if F&M would win a direct comparison to St. Mary's (a big if), St. Mary's might win a direct comparison with a different team (perhaps Albright, Merchant Marine, or Cabrini), who might win a direct comparison with F&M.  Simply put, the entire body of work MUST be considered to choose 1 team from many.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2010, 09:40:57 PM
Does anyone have anything to say about the match-up?
Which team has improved the most?
Will Griffin get more support from his teammates?
Will F&M control the boards?  50 to 39
F&M, also, had 9 blocks.
Who will miss more foul shots? 8 to 9 last time
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 09, 2010, 11:18:51 AM
For what its worth, let us say that instead of a hosting decision, the NCAA was choosing between F&M and St. Mary's to enter the Field of 61 as at large teams.  Here are their resumes using D3hoops.com's SOS matrix.

St. Mary's: RPI 16, SOS 121.  Key wins: None. Bad Losses: at Salisbury
F&M: RPI 48, SOS 270. Key wins: vs St. Mary's, Bad Losses, Hopkins, Washington and McDaniel.

It is difficult because, unlike Division I, teams rarely go outside their region because of costs.  Thus, you are left with small sample sizes, and a St. Mary's team that is likely propped up because of multiple victories over Wesley.  Fair or not, a committee would probably choose St. Mary's as the at-large team.  Remember though, competitive advantage is third in the selection criteria.  First is geographical location, which gives Lancaster an approximate advantage of 50 miles over St Mary's City.  Second criterion is quality of gym / finances.  Assuming SMC's gym gets 100 over capacity at 1300, that is still far less than the reported attendance of 1,650 and 1,850 at last year's bracket in Lancaster.   

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2010, 11:21:11 AM
The regional rankings proved that the NCAA would have considered St. Mary's ahead of F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2010, 12:10:13 PM
BTW - for those traveling down from F&M... I would like to make a different suggestion travel wise, especially since you will probably take a similar route to get into Maryland as I do from my home - I-83.

I would suggest after trying two different ways to get to SMC... stay off I-95 south of Baltimore. I know some directions online takes you that way and if you don't get any traffic or accidents, it isn't that hard a trip. HOWEVER, one snarl up will cause havoc with your plans and travel time - it also isn't that interesting a drive from I-95/I-495 to Route 301 on Route 4.

The other option is to continue to follow the Baltimore Beltway (I-695) around to I-97 South towards Annapolis. Follow that until Route 3 south. That will became Route 301 in Bowie and that will take you to Route 4. You follow Route 4 nearly all the way to SMC.

Here (http://www.mapquest.com/mq/3-mopRdC2fSmFED87f) is the route via Mapquest.
And here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=617+College+Avenue,+Lancaster,+PA+17603+(Franklin+%26+Marshall+College)&daddr=16800+Point+Lookout+Rd,+Lexington+Park,+MD+20653+(st+mary%27s+college+of+maryland)&hl=en&geocode=CRNzZZwE-91RFWARYwId1HBz-yF1jiUsi-s_KCmzd6zcYSTGiTF6PFliJ1u8OA%3BFSuuRgIdcr1x-ynfvsS8cuC5iTE9y4oGnRS2UA&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=39.118491,-76.373482&sspn=3.047049,4.938354&ie=UTF8&ll=39.125799,-76.530762&spn=3.04668,4.938354&t=h&z=8) is Google's version - which doesn't include the Route 3 part of the route.

This trip does have many traffic lights... but it is far more interesting and actually will avoid a lot of the traffic you might expect to hit on I-95/I-495.

At the same time... make sure you budget plenty of extra time getting around the Baltimore Beltway if you plan to come down in the 4-6 PM time frame (another reason to COMPLETELY avoid I-95 and the DC Beltway). It will add to what might seem like a simple 3:30 drive.

By the way, from Hunt Valley, MD off of I-83 north of Baltimore, it takes me 2:00 to 2:15 to make the trip - all depends on the amount you push on the pedal. AND watch out for speed traps and cops on parts of Route 301 - but especially on Route 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 09, 2010, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2010, 09:40:57 PM
Does anyone have anything to say about the match-up?
Which team has improved the most?
Will Griffin get more support from his teammates?
Will F&M control the boards?  50 to 39
F&M, also, had 9 blocks.
Who will miss more foul shots? 8 to 9 last time

I think the key could be Alex Franz, who will probably have a much better game than he did in Lancaster. He is the Seahawks' second-leading scorer, but shot just 2-for-12 from the field in that game. I don't think you can count on Franz having another game like that. As a team, St. Mary's only shot 30.6% from the field. That number will almost certainly improve. Also, I don't think St. Mary's will be caught off guard by the Dips' quickness.

In a small gym filled with a loud St. Mary's crowd, it's going to take the Dips' best game of the season to advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on March 09, 2010, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2010, 12:10:13 PM
BTW - for those traveling down from F&M... I would like to make a different suggestion travel wise, especially since you will probably take a similar route to get into Maryland as I do from my home - I-83.

I would suggest after trying two different ways to get to SMC... stay off I-95 south of Baltimore. I know some directions online takes you that way and if you don't get any traffic or accidents, it isn't that hard a trip. HOWEVER, one snarl up will cause havoc with your plans and travel time - it also isn't that interesting a drive from I-95/I-495 to Route 301 on Route 4.

The other option is to continue to follow the Baltimore Beltway (I-695) around to I-97 South towards Annapolis. Follow that until Route 3 south. That will became Route 301 in Bowie and that will take you to Route 4. You follow Route 4 nearly all the way to SMC.

Here (http://www.mapquest.com/mq/3-mopRdC2fSmFED87f) is the route via Mapquest.
And here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=617+College+Avenue,+Lancaster,+PA+17603+(Franklin+%26+Marshall+College)&daddr=16800+Point+Lookout+Rd,+Lexington+Park,+MD+20653+(st+mary%27s+college+of+maryland)&hl=en&geocode=CRNzZZwE-91RFWARYwId1HBz-yF1jiUsi-s_KCmzd6zcYSTGiTF6PFliJ1u8OA%3BFSuuRgIdcr1x-ynfvsS8cuC5iTE9y4oGnRS2UA&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=39.118491,-76.373482&sspn=3.047049,4.938354&ie=UTF8&ll=39.125799,-76.530762&spn=3.04668,4.938354&t=h&z=8) is Google's version - which doesn't include the Route 3 part of the route.

This trip does have many traffic lights... but it is far more interesting and actually will avoid a lot of the traffic you might expect to hit on I-95/I-495.

At the same time... make sure you budget plenty of extra time getting around the Baltimore Beltway if you plan to come down in the 4-6 PM time frame (another reason to COMPLETELY avoid I-95 and the DC Beltway). It will add to what might seem like a simple 3:30 drive.

By the way, from Hunt Valley, MD off of I-83 north of Baltimore, it takes me 2:00 to 2:15 to make the trip - all depends on the amount you push on the pedal. AND watch out for speed traps and cops on parts of Route 301 - but especially on Route 4.

Any time you can take 301 from Bowie south as an alternative to 95 (other than during periods of low traffic - like, say, in the middle of the night), I highly recommend it.  As Dave said, there are lights, but you generally know what you are in for on 301.  95 south of Baltimore all the way to Richmond is a roll of the dice.  So, in addition to a trip to St. Mary's, for you Lancasterites ... next time you're going to Richmond or points south, consider 301 to VA 207, which will dump you back onto 95 just north of King's Dominion.  Parts of it can be slow, but it's a pretty drive and far less stressful than MD burbs/DC/NOVA on 95.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2010, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from jamo325
QuoteJust spoke with someone "in the know" at SMCM...they sold out of their allotment of 600 tickets in less than five hours today. Should be interesting down there on Friday evening.

Certainly doesn't seem fair, when F&M only received 200.
I can understand the home team getting more tickets but this apportionment seems disproportionate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 09, 2010, 05:21:29 PM
RW and reserved,
not having seen St. Mary's play, i cant speak about their individual players.  Seems to me like this game will come down to who controls the pace.  My stats show that St. Mary's likes to play a fast paced game, increasing the number of possessions.  Look at their game scores, they like to play in the 70's+.  F&M on the other hand seems to play lower scoring defensive battles.  I like St. Mary's defense, but can their offense stay focused and disciplined against an athletic F&M team? 

Now how does the home factor come into play?  F&M has to play in hostile Centennial crowds (esp Collegeville), and their players have played in big games at the high school level, so i cannot imagine they will be overcome by the hostile environment.  But where a home crowd is especially vital is in two areas, discipline and rhythm on offense.  St. Mary's will need that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2010, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2010, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from jamo325
QuoteJust spoke with someone "in the know" at SMCM...they sold out of their allotment of 600 tickets in less than five hours today. Should be interesting down there on Friday evening.

Certainly doesn't seem fair, when F&M only received 200.
I can understand the home team getting more tickets but this apportionment seems disproportionate.

The same ratio has been in play for a decade, if not longer and F&M benefited from it at home.

The home team gets half the tickets. The visiting teams split the other half evenly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 10, 2010, 09:23:37 AM
Can I get a seat or even stand if I go down to SM on Friday or Saturday?  Do I have to scalp tickets or something?  Maybe I ought to talk with the F&M AD to find out.

Can someone please address the awful camera and audio work- it makes it very hard to follow the game online if you are not there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 10, 2010, 10:20:54 AM
Doc

each site is responsible for its own camera and audio work (i'm assuming, but as usual my guess is Pat will still correct me for improper use of a parenthesis or something).  In some cases there is no good place to put the camera, like at the MM gym to get a good angle.  St Mary's has a big enough gym that there should be a decent camera location. 

As for the audio, i felt the friday night audio from MM was fine.  Definitely better than some other sites.  I flicked to the UWSP game and found the color guy incredibly annoying.  and i'm pretty sure the paterson announcers were either downing red bulls or had mic issues (thats not a criticism, it was quite enjoyable).  My guess is itll be a st marys crew, but am unsure.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 10, 2010, 10:32:38 AM
The MM camera placement wasn't that bad.  But the inability of the camera operator to follow the basketball was pretty terrible.

Hopefully it will be better at St. Mary's. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2010, 10:37:44 AM
St. Mary's will be staffed by a D3hoops.com crew.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 10, 2010, 09:58:27 PM
Diplomaniac...did you ever compile the final standings of those of us who predicted games this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on March 11, 2010, 09:04:56 AM
Article about F&M's Justin Driver in the Lancaster paper.

Enjoy,

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/249652
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 12, 2010, 09:25:32 PM
What is wrong with the feed?

There are 320 viewers--so I can't see the system being overloaded.  

Also, are these St. Mary's announcers?  They seem very pro-St. Mary's.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 12, 2010, 09:33:17 PM
 The feed was awful for the first game also. You could not see anything go in the basket. Not even free throws. And live stats was about 20 minutes behind.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 12, 2010, 09:41:28 PM
Live stats are ahead of the video feed.  I can't decide what's worth--the lousy internet video, or the lousy announcing team.  That is, if they are supposed to be neutral.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 12, 2010, 10:32:33 PM
Thank goodness I will be down at the game tomorrow night.  The feed once again was horrible tonight online.  Next, the stadium- water on the court, smaller number in attendance, no home team in the Elite 8 game, no bars in the City, dead college, etc.  Just a joke NCAA to choose this site for the Elite 8.

F&M finally put to rest why they are better than St. Mary's.  They proved it twice this year and yet the rankings were biased. 

Finally, F&M is playing in the 80's and higher.  Not a game I like for them but they are getting the points and Giorgio and McNally are having awesome tourneys! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 12, 2010, 10:36:37 PM
Congrats to determined Dips. Hope to make it for RMC game.

Announcers were DMAC & Brett Adams (Stevenson coach out of the CAC). My major issue with the announcing was the discussion of the outstanding SMC backcourt (have seen them & they are great) but that Milligan & Brooks et al were talked about as if they were the Washington Generals, but IMHO they are at least in the same league, the descrption of McNally as glorified garbage man was unpleasant, McNally should be a 3d or 4th team All-American. They seemed to give most of the credit for the Dips gutty & smart play to Coach GRob.
Just like last year against DeSales Georgio Milligan came up huge in all facets in a game they could not have won without him.

The announcers are CAC guys and they probably had seen SMC at lot more than F&M, although they could have appeared more neutral for a balanced broadcast.

LETS GO BLUE, try for one for the left hand, I can't imagine many teams have been to 6 FF's. Plus Dips only lose one Senior that doesn't start (Admittedly Brooks is eligible to return but apparenty may not according to Lancaster New Era article 10 days ago.)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 12, 2010, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 12, 2010, 10:36:37 PM
LETS GO BLUE, try for one for the left hand, I can't imagine many teams have been to 6 FF's.

Wittenberg has been to seven. F&M, North Park, Potsdam State, and UW-Platteville have each been to five. Williams and Illinois Wesleyan could join them, as they've each been to four and are still alive in the Elite Eight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 13, 2010, 09:55:17 AM
Fantastic basketball environment.  I've been following F&M since 1966 and this was the loudest I ever heard a gym.  It was almost impossible to hear.  I'd loved to see F&M's student show this much enthusiasm, even  though  I'd be deaf.  I talked to several SMCM students after the game and they were great sports.  The atmosphere will be disappointing this evening since most of the SMCM will be gone for Spring Break.
RM looked ragged last night; it took them 5 minutes to get on the board.  DeSales didn't give them much of a challenge.  Two of DeSales players can't spell.  They both think there's an i in team.  They took about 70% of the shots and infrequently passed.  RM had much better ball movement.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 13, 2010, 09:56:17 AM
The announcers were pathetic.  Even as F&M advances into the Elite 8, they keep talking about St. Marys' future and how great they are.  St. Marys gets a TECHNICAL, and they talk about how that could be a good thing and a wise strategy.

I'm sure tonight they are going to be singing Randolph Macon's praises while completely ignoring F&M again.  

Is there anything that can be done about the feed?  It's 2010, not 1999.  I feel like I'm watching on dialup.  The overload of the system thing can't be a legit excuse.  350 or so people were tuning in.  

Oh, and just another point about where the game should have been.  St. Mary's gym is barely above the 1000 minimum capacity to host.  Had they played at F&M each visiting team would have received more than 2x the number of tickets than the visitors got at St. Mary's because F&M's seating capacity is far larger and more suited to hosting an event of this type.

Hopefully tonight's coverage will be better and the live feed won't conk out with 16 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 13, 2010, 10:05:39 AM
 Macon has Crenshaw, a great place to play. No need to go to PA. to play!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 13, 2010, 10:06:59 AM
The facilities were much better than Merchant Marine's.  If F&M can win in this hostile environment; they should be able to win anywhere.  The players kept their composure even though the crowd rode them the entire game.  Even when McNally had to sit the team didn't fall apart.  Brooks played with a vengeance in the second half, after having to sit out 17 minutes of the first half.  F&M played great defense except on the big man(33).
If McNally is a garbage player, he's has some fine garbage.







Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on March 13, 2010, 10:19:07 AM
Nice win for F&M last night.  I was only able to tolerate the video feed for one half before I just did the live stats.  One thing that concerned me was the amount of turnovers, they beat a good team, in a hostile environment, but they cannot continue to turn the ball over like they did.  However, imagine how good they would be if they did not have all of those turnovers!?!  Hopefully F&M can put it together for 3 more wins!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 13, 2010, 10:59:44 AM
I have an idea- stop complaing about the online feed and get your butt to St. Marys city.  lets make this a DIP home game. 

how do i rate karma?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 13, 2010, 11:42:03 AM
Gentlemen... all due respect... I called the game even... and I have seen each team about the same amount (certainly SMC more since this is my third straight weekend here calling games in this region). I am not a "CAC" guy as I cover the entire country and while my alma-mater was in the CAC at one time and now in the Landmark, I have called games and seen teams in person as far west as central Kentucky, north into Upstate New York and New England and as far south as Salem and Virginia Wesleyan.

As for the feed being bad... it's called technical problems. For whatever reason we were struggling with upload capabilities and computer that decided not be uncooperative. I am sorry it wasn't up to your liking, but I assure you it wasn't for a lack of effort. We are a bare-bones operation some times and WE AREN'T GETTING PAID TO DO THIS SERVICE FOR YOU... so some understanding and appreciation for the simple fact you could even get a chance to see and hear the game would be nice instead of the recent criticism for anything and everything you think is against F&M.

As for the comment about SMC's future... it is something I bring up all the time for the team that is going to lose in the game. We did it for DeSales, I did it for Virginia Wesleyan, I did it for SUNY-Purchase and Richard-Stockton. The reason? This is the LAST chance to talk about these teams in a game for this season and the future is ahead of them. Tonight I will be calling another F&M game with plenty of opportunities to talk about them and their future. And if they are the team that will be on the losing end, then the future (i.e. next season) will be discussed. Why talk about a winning's team future (i.e. next season) if their season isn't even over?!

As for SMC's backcourt... as an offensive unit and defensive front, they are better then F&M's. BUT that isn't to say Milligan and Brooks aren't good... they are. Milligan is a solid offensive leader who certainly can do plenty with the ball in his hands. Brooks didn't have a great came last night as he sat much of the first half with two fouls - so it's not like Milligan and Brooks got a chance to really work together in last night's game. However, I feel that Griffin and Franz cause more chaos on defense, are more dangerous as a one-two punch up top, and when one of them isn't on the floor it makes a difference.

Think about it, F&M has some great inside presence in McNally and Brooks... so their back-court doesn't have to do as much as SMC's. However, SMC had just as good a season as F&M with two guards leading the way. In my mind I need to credit that back-court. No one said anything negative about F&M's back-court, so don't assume it means or has been stated as being bad.

As for how you think the game will be "called" tonight... give me a break. I will call it as I see it and do my best to describe the action on the floor. Last night's technical foul was something of note as F&M was on a run and I know coaches like Harney who will strategically use that moment and get a T to try and shake up the momentum. We made a very similar comment about an intential foul in the RMC-DeSales game and explained why in that situation it worked in the exact opposite manner.

As for room in the gym... it does seat 1200 (not 1000 as previously guessed) and there should be plenty of tickets for people to come down and see the game. If not... our broadcast will start around 6:45 (baring more technical problems) and we hope you enjoy the FREE service.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipfanatic on March 13, 2010, 01:41:19 PM
I thought the play-by-play was called even, D-Mac--job well done. My beef was with the color commentary. The fact that F&M shot upwards of 60% in the first half is simply mentioned in passing during the break; McNally's stellar first-half shooting is attributed to "garbage baskets"...come on, he was shooting the lights out; fawning over Franz and calling him "Alex" the entire game; saying that whomever Milligan stole it from and dunked on late in the 2nd half "had a point" in giving up on the play and arguing with the official instead. I am incredibly grateful for what you guys do and the quality of the service you consistently provide at d3hoops, but I do think some valid criticisms have been made. Looking forward to tonight...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: harnesshoops on March 13, 2010, 02:13:08 PM
I want to second dipfanatic.  I thought the play-by-play was not only even but pretty good.  Technical difficulties are an annoying part of the territory when you are doing one-off, low-budget work.  You can hold your head high.  I have no complaints with your work, d-mac. 

The color commentator was AWFUL; and not just because his bias was so bad.  He butchered the english langauge, often struggling to find the correct term because  he was searching for "big words".  He was clearly pulling for SMC, which is OK if you don't let it impact the quality of your work.  I thing Troy Aikman does a fine job of calling a Dallas-NY game, and I am a Giants fan.  Someone called "coach" should be capable of adding some value to the broadcast.  This guy fell more than short.  I hope he is not on the airwaves tonight.

I can't go to the games so I really appreciate the broadcasts.  Thanks for making them possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 13, 2010, 09:56:17 AM
Even as F&M advances into the Elite 8, they keep talking about St. Marys' future and how great they are.

This is hilarious to me. This is exactly what you do as a team gets eliminated from the postseason, talk about what they have coming back. It's textbook stuff. Watch some TV with a careful eye and ear this March and learn.

BTW, it's also what we did for F&M last March in Salem. Except the Richard Stockton fans weren't bitching and moaning about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 04:26:18 PM
I would expect a color analyst who has spent all year coaching his team rather than broadcasting to be a little off-balance with the whole concept, but also to provide his insight into the X's and O's and know the coaches' tendencies better than someone else we might have on the game. I thought Brett Adams did a decent job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on March 13, 2010, 05:41:02 PM
1. Docmarc, It is hard to get to St. Mary's when you have family obligations, so think before you speak.


2. As for complaining about the online feed, I am not blaming anyone, I actually thought that is was my wireless network b/c I had been having troubles with it all night.

The play by play was fine from what I heard, the color commentator was not as fine, but tolerable.  I will not be able to watch it tonight b/c of a family obligation, but I will def be checking the score regularly via blackberry.

3. Pat, This line, "BTW, it's also what we did for F&M last March in Salem. Except the Richard Stockton fans weren't bitching and moaning about it." ---Not classy at all, I lost some respect for you, I thought you were above this nonsense.
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GO DIPS!!


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 06:06:40 PM
It is true. Sorry if it upsets you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: harnesshoops on March 13, 2010, 06:17:37 PM
I think the mis-interpretation that anyone was directing negative comments at your boy D-Mac has your emotions shading your wisdom.  Don't tie yourself to a sinking ship, Pat.  You made a mistake; best to let it go. 

Brett Adams did a poor job.  Having watched a few thousand games and using last weekend's commentators as a comparison, he failed.  The talk-up of the SMC team as they left the court was appropriate, but it was lost in the build-up of a poor game.  I realize that one fan chose to call that particular point out, but really the whole game was a failure.  That was simply the last chapter (which usually is the most memorable).  It's not the end of the world... he's a coach, not a commentator.  He'll still put dinner on the table.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 07:00:40 PM
Quote from: harnesshoops on March 13, 2010, 06:17:37 PM
I think the mis-interpretation that anyone was directing negative comments at your boy D-Mac has your emotions shading your wisdom.


It isn't a misinterpretation, though -- some of the same people on this message board were rude and brutal in the Ustream chat room last night. Just because you don't see it here doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on March 13, 2010, 07:21:38 PM
Anyone else having difficulty with watching tonight's game? I am back at the ranch with lax (F&M downed No. 8 W&L 7-5) and the live stats appear to be stuck at 18:42, and the video off of the link says off air. If I am missing something on the SMCM web site, please post a link.

I keep getting to a 4-2 game and it resets.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 07:22:59 PM
We've had to switch links because someone apparently reported our show for some sort of mythical violation. Can't imagine who it might have been.

New video link (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/division-iii-football-playoffs-mississippi-college-at-wesley)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on March 13, 2010, 07:24:31 PM
Thanks Pat!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on March 13, 2010, 07:50:07 PM
I just want to thank the good folks at St. Mary's and D3hoops.com for their work in making live video available this weekend.  Just to let you all know ... it's not that easy.  This isn't espn360.com, folks.  The sense of entitlement that some viewers have had during the tourney is not something that we are proud of.  And if anyone associated with our Conference as a fan  had anything to do with the problems with Ustream, I apologize.  Once again, thank you.  It's something that isn't said enough during this time of year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on March 13, 2010, 07:51:49 PM
Well said Commish.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 07:53:23 PM
Just spoke to our contact at Ustream and the ban has been lifted. I am cohosting the broadcast on both streams so we can get the game to everyone with both old and new links.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 13, 2010, 08:13:22 PM
Oh come on--are you seriously acting as if there's neutrality?

These announcers are going wild whenever Randolph Macon scores and when F&M scores, they act as if a dog got hit by a car.

Awful coverage. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 13, 2010, 08:47:44 PM
And just like Pat said, the end of this game has a lot of talk about F&M's season, despite the complaining of the fans.  I thought it was a great broadcast! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on March 13, 2010, 09:06:58 PM
I didn't like the outcome, but I am grateful to have had the chance to see it.

Putting on a webcast involves many moving parts when it's your own gym and network. It is a more daunting task when it is someone else's building and network. On a Saturday night on spring break in Southern Maryland, it was likely done without any SMCM IT support to help with server load issues. Thank you to D3Hoops for providing me with the opportunity to see what I would have otherwise missed. Even if it wasn't perfect, it beat the heck out of the alternative.

A bigger thank you to the Diplomats for an outstanding season -- a pleasure to watch under any set of circumstances.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 09:14:23 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 13, 2010, 08:13:22 PM
Oh come on--are you seriously acting as if there's neutrality?

This is what neutral sounds like. If you're accustomed to a home broadcast for F&M then yes, a neutral broadcast will always sound like we're on the other side of the fence.

On the broadcast chat room, a Macon fan asked if this was F&M's announcer. That's what it sounds like to a Macon fan, too -- we can't be fans of both teams so we call it right down the middle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 14, 2010, 11:34:15 AM
Coleman I lost respect for you as well.  Dick Stockton fans are barely on these sites to talk.  F and m fans are passionate.  And btw poor job by f and m fans we maybe had 100 strong last night there and that includes parents
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 14, 2010, 11:48:25 AM
Does anyone else thing that this blog has degenerated into the "whiner line".

I think D3 Hoops does a terrific job!  Thank you D3 Hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: docmarc on March 14, 2010, 11:34:15 AM
Coleman I lost respect for you as well.  Dick Stockton fans are barely on these sites to talk.  F and m fans are passionate.  And btw poor job by f and m fans we maybe had 100 strong last night there and that includes parents
doc - there is a major difference in being passionate and crossing the line of being not only respectful but also mean spirited. I understand passionate and it is something I truely appreciate about a lot of Division III fans. Pat, Gordon, myself, and countless others wouldn't be doing what we are doing unless we were passionate as well. However, to have fans call efforts "pathetic" or take pot-shots at broadcasters that have NOTHING do with either team... as to belittle their efforts or just to be an a*****e about it all is not being passionate... it's crossing the line and I personally can only take so much before I get angry enough to respond.

So... be passionate... support your team... vent if you want about officiating and calls or anything else (though, don't cross the line)... but don't take pot-shots at those who are doing a service for you and don't think that just because a comment can be posted... it won't be responded to in kind.

I personally am very disappointed in several F&M fans on this post-up board. I know they do not represent the vast majority of F&M fans (including those I had wonderful chats with in SMC), but they certainly make the F&M fan base look bad with their antics.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 14, 2010, 06:03:23 PM
Sorry to see another CC Hoop season end. F&M should do well next season (especially if Brooks can work out out returning), but the CC will have many teams better & more experienced. G-burg & Ursinus will improve a lot. Muhlenberg, SWAT & Washington will all be better also.
I hope someday the CC goes away from the double round robin format. It dilutes SOS under current ranking format & leaves way too few out of conference games to play diverse competition. NESCAC approach would work better.
Long trip to St. Mary's was worth the effort to keep by personal streak intact of seeing all 9 E8 games since 1979. I wonder if other Dip fans like Reserved Seat have made it to all of them.
McNally had one great year improving in all aspects. I hope he is rewarded with some type of post season honors.
Finally I listened to replay of the the part of the Saturday broadcast that was archived and thought it was a fine job of bringing the game to all who couldn't make it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 14, 2010, 06:04:49 PM
D3hoops staff (Pat, Dave, Gordon),

I know there are respectful and polite people out there that represent F&M.  In fact after last year's sectional at the Mayser Center, the DeSales athletic office received a very, very nice typed letter written by an F&M supporter congratulating us as an institution on the behavior and enthusiasm of the two student fan busses we sent to F&M last year for the two sectional games.  He had some very, very nice things to say about them and our University. I think in general that is what represents F&M.  It was a very nice thing for him to go out of his way to do.

But having said that, those are the people you never come in contact with.  You only ever see those who have nothing nice to say about anything.  IE - some of the posters on this board.

I've been around Division III basketball for the better part of the last 13 years and I've met all three of you in person.  Now while I certainly have not agreed with everything you've done, I tell people all the time that your web site, the services you provide, and the exposure you've created for Division III basketball and football is not something that can be measured.  You guys do a better than terrific job.  Not everyone is gonna think so...but I really wouldn't dwell on them.

Enjoy the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 14, 2010, 08:53:31 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 14, 2010, 06:03:23 PM
Sorry to see another CC Hoop season end. F&M should do well next season (especially if Brooks can work out out returning), but the CC will have many teams better & more experienced. G-burg & Ursinus will improve a lot. Muhlenberg, SWAT & Washington will all be better also.
I hope someday the CC goes away from the double round robin format. It dilutes SOS under current ranking format & leaves way too few out of conference games to play diverse competition. NESCAC approach would work better.
Long trip to St. Mary's was worth the effort to keep by personal streak intact of seeing all 9 E8 games since 1979. I wonder if other Dip fans like Reserved Seat have made it to all of them.
McNally had one great year improving in all aspects. I hope he is rewarded with some type of post season honors.
Finally I listened to replay of the the part of the Saturday broadcast that was archived and thought it was a fine job of bringing the game to all who couldn't make it.


D. B.

Bravo Zulu---well done ! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2010, 09:08:53 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 14, 2010, 06:03:23 PM
I hope someday the CC goes away from the double round robin format. It dilutes SOS under current ranking format & leaves way too few out of conference games to play diverse competition. NESCAC approach would work better.
D.B. - you might not want that wish. I have talked to a number of committee members who say they discount the NESCAC's schedule a bit because they aren't playing their conference opponents twice. In other words, it taints their numbers a bit because their SOS might be really high since they aren't doing a traditional conference schedule.

So it might give you a chance to not have a weakened SOS because of conference play... but committee members will also look at what they think of an over-inflated SOS in the other scenario and it might end up not helping you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on March 15, 2010, 09:45:55 AM
I have only read articles about the game, so can someone who watched it give me a good recap as well?  It appears 3 pt shooting was the big difference?  Was it this simple or am I missing a big part of the story?

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 15, 2010, 10:09:12 AM
Dare i say that this message board has degenerated into the TTToilet?  I know CC fans are waiting with baited breath for the Lusty one's take on the weekend.

First of all, on Friday the video feed from St. Mary's City was unwatchable, as it froze every three seconds.  Thankfully the audio feed remained intact.  I have to disagree with the Commish though, i do not feel entitled to a great feed, nor do i expect ESPN360.  But i do not think it is unreasonable, in 2010, to get a live feed of a play-off game if we are told we are getting one.  This occurred at several locations in the opening round and in the sectional round.  

Second, i'm not going to bash Dave personally.  My guess is he doesnt get paid to do this, or if he does he doesnt get paid well, so insults are not warranted.  He does have a fairly strong announcing voice.  But to be fair, the Friday commentary was most certainly St. Mary's leaning.  All i needed to hear was after an early SMC 3 pointer, the excited call SIX - SIX SEAHAWKS!!!!!!  As for saturday, I did come away with the fact that apparently two ODAC teams potentially making the final four was not only the most important sporting event of the decade, but possibly the greatest development in human history since the birth of Jesus.  I know this because Dave mentioned it approximately 837 times in the two hour broadcast.  

As for the games themselves i mean not much you can say.  Friday's game was won because of a highly efficient offense that held St. Mary's at arms length for most of the second half.  Saturday went pretty much according to how i thought, except for the amazing performance by RMC from 3 point range.  Reminded me a lot of the Gettysburg title game from 2009.  That happens in sports.  

Final question, what happened with the ustream ban?  why was a ban put in place?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 15, 2010, 11:46:45 AM
Dave- It was great meeting you down in SMC.  Nice gym but a FAR drive!  Thanks for the work that you put into this site and dealing with the Toilet that this site has become. 

As far as the game, F&M lost momentum several times when they could not hit key foul shots.  Something to improve before next season.  I hope Haek can develop and be a force inside. 

See everyone in Salem next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 15, 2010, 12:33:11 PM
doc - it was a surprise to meet you... but thank you for coming up to me. I do appreciate it - though, which night was that? It is all a blur right now.

Lusty... I completely disagree with you... but you aren't going to see it any other way... so I will move on after saying this: If I was being bias in any particular direction, there are a number of people who I respect for that type of critic that were listening/watching that would have told me during the broadcast. They didn't... and being that I am a PA announcer and have done my fair share of neutral games (heck, my radio experience has been nothing but neutral games), I know how to keep neutral. BTW, the basket you refer to was a bit shot early in the game... it was worth getting excited about it. I got just as excited for a big shot at any other time in the game for any other player for either team.

Finally... as for Friday's video... the problem was a combination of my computer and the internet connection. I think I have explained this before, but in case I haven't... the IT service at SMC apparently got complicated this weekend. I had lots of trouble with the ethernet line which didn't seem to have any reason for occuring. It was so bad Saturday night at one point, I disconnected from the hardline and broadcast via wireless... which is not standard operation procedure and easily could have caused a larger problem. But it held for the game and I am thankful for it.

The other problem had to do with me trying to put on the best product possible I was streaming two video sources (the game and the scoreboard) along with the audio on the broadcast. I didn't realize until the next morning that my computer had major problems working with the two video sources. It didn't come up in my tests prior, so it was a surprise to me. On Saturday I eliminated the scoreboard camera and everything worked just fine (except the internet problem).

Please remember that at D3sports.com we took a major jump this year to add video to our broadcasts. It is probably harder then any school operation does for their normal home games. We are hauling our equipment around and in an effort to try and save our backs and room in our vehicles, we don't bring three computers, three cameras, hundreds of feet of cables, and three extra people to help run it all. Many of us are doing it as a "one-man-band"... set-up, broadcasting, and audio. And when we switch from location to location and deal with different IT departments and set-ups at gyms, it is amazing sometimes we even get on the air. I was allowed to be in the gym two hours before the first game was set to tip on Friday... that sounds like a lot of time... but trust me it barely is enough time.

And as for being paid... nope. Nobody at D3sports.com is paid for their content (though, there might be exceptions). Pat, Gordon, myself, and others are all working full-time, 40-hours-a-week jobs along with having families. We don't get anything extra for this work... and we don't complain about it. We are doing this because we know there is a dedicated and passionate fan base along with schools that are searching for this type of coverage for Division III athletics. We love providing that source of information and content. We also appreciate feedback and criticism. We have made many an adjustment when it comes to those comments. However, we all don't necessarily react well to those who belittle the work or make completely false, irrational, or bash our work because they have nothing better to do. To those, we tend to lash back because it is the LAST thing we want to hear when we have been on the roads for hours... set-up for hours... worked hours after a game has finished... and may even have to get back on the road.

Just my two-cents.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 15, 2010, 02:28:48 PM


Dips -

Although you didn't make it to Salem again this year, thanks for a great season. You represented both F&M and the Centennial Conference very well again and you made us all proud! I made the treks to both Kings Point and St Mary's City and wouldn't trade them for the world. They were well worth it.

THANK YOU!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 15, 2010, 03:03:35 PM
The announcing was terrible, but the games were not.  The announcers can either accept it or not.  Ultimately, the old mute option was there, so their calls didn't matter. 

The video kinks I'm sure can be worked out in 2011. 

While yes, RM's 3 point shooting was excellent, F&M's biggest failure was on the line.  It's a problem that plagued them all tournament.  Eventually, at that level, you need to make foul shots.  Missing 2 foul shots with a 4 point deficit with under 2 minutes left pretty much decided the game right there.  It really made it that much tougher when F&M would walk away from so many foul shooting attempts with 1 point or less.   It's something that needs improvement.

RM was a good team.  It will be interesting to see what they do in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 15, 2010, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 15, 2010, 02:28:48 PM


Dips -

Although you didn't make it to Salem again this year, thanks for a great season. You represented both F&M and the Centennial Conference very well again and you made us all proud! I made the treks to both Kings Point and St Mary's City and wouldn't trade them for the world. They were well worth it.

THANK YOU!


Eric

Well said and thank you for your work in coordinating the weekly picks.  It was fun.
F&M should be proud of their season and they deserve all the accolades they have gotten.

I am looking forward to next year already.  The Dips are good and return almost everyone next year although losing Brooks will hurt.  I think he was underrated on both ends of the court. 

The CC should be very competitive next year and don't think for one moment that F&M will win it easily.  I don't think any of the other coaches are conceding anything.  They are out recruiting right now and I think there will be five----perhaps as many as seven teams in the mix next year.  That would be good for the conference.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 15, 2010, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 15, 2010, 03:03:35 PM
The announcing was terrible, but the games were not.  

Perhaps one ought ignore the announcing, like it or not, and simply enjoy the games (at least, that is, till the Apocalypse is upon us and the announcers become able to affect the outcome of the games).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 15, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
I agree.  Ultimately, while the announcing was indeed putrid, a win's a win, and winning is all that matters.  Losing sucks, but while announcing may not affect the OUTCOME, it can affect enjoyment of the game.  But you're right, it can be ignored simply by turning it off and following the live stats.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 15, 2010, 09:09:39 PM
Okay already. We get it you didn't like the announcing of the game. Despite the fact that this was a service being brought to you by a bunch of people that weren't getting paid.


Do you all want some cheese with your whine?


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2010, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 15, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
I agree.  Ultimately, while the announcing was indeed putrid, a win's a win, and winning is all that matters.  Losing sucks, but while announcing may not affect the OUTCOME, it can affect enjoyment of the game.  But you're right, it can be ignored simply by turning it off and following the live stats.

Then, dude, don't watch the game. Heck, try to start up a competing webcast and see if you can do it better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 16, 2010, 07:20:19 AM
Ah the old--if you don't like it, don't watch it argument.  There are Hollywood writers who have that attitude that see their shows get canceled.  Newsflash--that's exactly what I did.  I went to the live stats because the announcing and video were so putrid. 

How about this one--do better.

Annonucers shouldn't be homers unless they actually go to that school.  If that was a St. Mary's broadcast, brought to us by St. Mary's, that's one thing--but a website that claims neutral should have neutral announcers. 

You're not blessing us with your broadcasts.  You are not some missionary.  This came OFF like a "service" brought to us by people not getting paid.  Enjoy the offseason. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on March 16, 2010, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: crambam on March 16, 2010, 07:20:19 AM
Ah the old--if you don't like it, don't watch it argument.  There are Hollywood writers who have that attitude that see their shows get canceled.  

Because there are other shows competing with them, hence Pat's line about starting up a competing broadcast ... Not to mention, they are depending on ad revenue to survive on those shows.  The video broadcasts are clearly not a money-maker for D3Hoops, so I'm not sure where the parallel is ...

QuoteHow about this one--do better.

I believe, as far as the video goes, all parties involved have acknowledged that it was a work in progress this year.  And, aside from some (not even all) F&M fans, no one else seems to think the announcers were blatantly anti-F&M.  There was an admitted "bias of familiarity" from Brett Adams when it came to St. Mary's (he's not a practiced broadcaster and, as a CAC coach, of course he's more familiar with a CAC team), but no one who doesn't see through blue & white tinted glasses has trashed the announcers.  By the way, Dave has done audio for a host of games in the past and I can't remember any other group of fans getting on him like this.  I guess he just has some secret axe to grind with F&M??

QuoteThis came OFF like a "service" brought to us by people not getting paid.

That's pretty much what it was.  Maybe if they were charging for the broadcast, you'd have more of a leg to stand on when barking about quality ...

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 17, 2010, 09:19:43 AM
Congrats to the Dips on another tremendous run in the tournament. Took me a few days to recover from the trip to St. Mary's (and the end of basketball season), but the people in St. Mary's were great hosts and the gym was a wonderful facility.

I have to agree with Reserved Seat: the Sweet 16 game was the loudest I've ever heard a gym. An incredibly intense game, and one that I think many past F&M teams would not have won. This team seemed to relish playing on the road, being the only team in this year's NCAA field, as far as I can tell, to win two games on an opponent's home floor. An especially good run in light of playing in the cozy confines of Mayser all the way to Salem last year.

Will be interesting to see how Randolph-Macon does in Salem. The Jackets are a great team with a balanced attack. The Dips clearly need a sniper who can hit 3's on a consistent basis. Without that final piece of the puzzle, I don't think they can win the national title.

James McNally had the best season by an F&M post player that I have seen, saving his best play for the NCAA tournament. Congrats to McNally on his first-team All-Region honor; he should be a lock to make one of the All-America teams. The departure of Anthony Brooks from the starting lineup will hurt -- good luck to Brooks and Sal Salvati, great leaders.

Also, I listened to part of the archived broadcast from the weekend and thought D-Mac did a good job. It's a shame that these boards were polluted with vitriol during the best time of year. I agree with Commish and others who have noted that the sense of entitlement displayed by certain posters doesn't represent F&M or this conference. Thanks to all who helped bring the action to those who couldn't make it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 17, 2010, 09:23:33 PM
r.w.

Good posting!. Thanks!  Enjoyed the season a lot.  I enjoyed the regular season posters a lot---but the irregulars not so much.  (Talk about coming out of the wood work.) The Dips had a great season no matter which way you look at it.  Look out for the Ursinus---and Gettysburg---and Muhlenberg next season.  The freshmen will be sophomores and some exciting new recruits will make it an interesting season.  The CC will be tough next year.

Again--thanks to D3 Hoops!  Great Job!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on March 18, 2010, 04:21:58 PM
Now that the season is over for F&M and the rest of the CC, we need something to fill the time so...

What is your All Time F&M Team?  For those from other CC schools, post your own all time team.  Now remember guys, keep the debate friendly!  As for me I have certain players, who growing up on the F&M campus, will always stick out in my mind, players like Janetta, Henry, Finch, etc.  So I am still trying to finalize my list.  I think I will have to revert to the stats and see if they were as good as I thought they were when I was a young lad!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 18, 2010, 05:27:23 PM

Folks -

While I agree that poor free throw shooting has hurt the Diplomats, it is my assessment that they are more significantly hampered by the lack of a consistent outside or three-point shooter. This has been a problem for almost the last decade. Thoughts anyone? Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2010, 06:41:03 PM
   Having seen the Dips only in the big games of this year and last(NCAA & conference Championship), I'd suggest that James McNally reduce the number of fadeway jump shots that he takes; although he makes a decent number of them, he eliminates himself as an offensive rebounder on the misses and a guy that big and strong ought to take fuller advantage of his ability in the paint.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 18, 2010, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: godips04 on March 18, 2010, 04:21:58 PM
Now that the season is over for F&M and the rest of the CC, we need something to fill the time so...

What is your All Time F&M Team?  For those from other CC schools, post your own all time team.  Now remember guys, keep the debate friendly!  As for me I have certain players, who growing up on the F&M campus, will always stick out in my mind, players like Janetta, Henry, Finch, etc.  So I am still trying to finalize my list.  I think I will have to revert to the stats and see if they were as good as I thought they were when I was a young lad!

Don't know as much about the Dips since I usually saw them only twice a year----but for the Ursinus all-time team I would submit:

Richie Barrett
Nick Shattuck
Dan Luciano
Dennis Stanton
Mike McGarvey

Between them they have seven----yes seven----CC player of the year awards in the past ten years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 18, 2010, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: godips04 on March 18, 2010, 04:21:58 PM

What is your All Time F&M Team?  For those from other CC schools, post your own all time team. 

Don't know as much about the Dips since I usually saw them only twice a year----but for the Ursinus all-time team I would submit:

Richie Barrett
Nick Shattuck
Dan Luciano
Dennis Stanton
Mike McGarvey

Between them they have seven----yes seven----CC player of the year awards in the past ten years. 

3 of these players were on the same team that lost in the NCAA tournament @ Scranton, primarily because Ursinus didn't offer to host. Arguably, Ursinus wins that game, if @ Ursinus, but we'll never know how far they may have gone.     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 19, 2010, 01:25:39 AM
What are the all-time team parameters? For F&M I would assume GRob years and apparently 5 players (C,F,F,G,G). It would be hard to narrow but could give an attempt.

Donny Marsh
Allen Taylor
Chris Finch
Terry Scott
Mike Mehaffey

Apologies to: Will Laskey, Dennis Westley, Brad Markey, Charlie Detz, Bob Manaskie all very worthy. Janetta a great regular season player whose results tailed off in the NCAA's, almost the same could be said for Jeremiah Henry with the exception of fine play up & through the 1996 E8 game.

PS: Another good year by McNally would knock Mehaffey off my list.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: godips04 on March 19, 2010, 11:44:12 AM
McNally named All-American

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/news/mcnallyallamerica
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 20, 2010, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 17, 2010, 09:23:33 PM
r.w.

Good posting!. Thanks!  Enjoyed the season a lot.  I enjoyed the regular season posters a lot---but the irregulars not so much.  (Talk about coming out of the wood work.) The Dips had a great season no matter which way you look at it.  Look out for the Ursinus---and Gettysburg---and Muhlenberg next season.  The freshmen will be sophomores and some exciting new recruits will make it an interesting season.  The CC will be tough next year.

Again--thanks to D3 Hoops!  Great Job!
not sure what you see in those teams mentioned ...you (and the CC) might be in for some surprises next year. stay tuned
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 20, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
I am already excited about next year! I can't wait for the season to start!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 21, 2010, 09:04:31 PM
try to keep busy, swat dad, you have several months till the tipoff!
maybe watch some lacrosse...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 22, 2010, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 18, 2010, 06:41:03 PM
   Having seen the Dips only in the big games of this year and last(NCAA & conference Championship), I'd suggest that James McNally reduce the number of fadeway jump shots that he takes; although he makes a decent number of them, he eliminates himself as an offensive rebounder on the misses and a guy that big and strong ought to take fuller advantage of his ability in the paint.   

I think McNally's shooting ability has become one of his strengths. However, I agree that he takes a few too many. Maybe if the Dips had a threat from the perimeter, he'd be able to stay down on the blocks more. I remember a few games this year when he took long jumpers because it seemed to be the only way the Dips could score against zone defenses.  They really need a sniper who can score from the outside.

Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 18, 2010, 05:27:23 PM
Folks -

While I agree that poor free throw shooting has hurt the Diplomats, it is my assessment that they are more significantly hampered by the lack of a consistent outside or three-point shooter. This has been a problem for almost the last decade. Thoughts anyone? Regards,

Eric

Eric, the Searles/Wright/Smith squad in '04 was possibly the last Dip team with good 3-point shooting. It is surprising to me that these past two F&M teams advanced so far in the tournament without a consistent deep threat. Anyone hear anything about the upcoming recruiting class?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 22, 2010, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 19, 2010, 01:25:39 AM
What are the all-time team parameters? For F&M I would assume GRob years and apparently 5 players (C,F,F,G,G). It would be hard to narrow but could give an attempt.

Donny Marsh
Allen Taylor
Chris Finch
Terry Scott
Mike Mehaffey

Apologies to: Will Laskey, Dennis Westley, Brad Markey, Charlie Detz, Bob Manaskie all very worthy. Janetta a great regular season player whose results tailed off in the NCAA's, almost the same could be said for Jeremiah Henry with the exception of fine play up & through the 1996 E8 game.

PS: Another good year by McNally would knock Mehaffey off my list.



D.B., I would take that squad into battle. It would be hard for me to keep Lasky and McNally off the first team, so mine would be: Marsh, Lasky, Finch, Scott and McNally.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on March 23, 2010, 12:37:17 PM
Eric, did we ever get the final stats for the regular season Pickems? Sorry if you posted them, I must have missed them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 23, 2010, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: division3 on March 20, 2010, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 17, 2010, 09:23:33 PM
r.w.

Good posting!. Thanks!  Enjoyed the season a lot.  I enjoyed the regular season posters a lot---but the irregulars not so much.  (Talk about coming out of the wood work.) The Dips had a great season no matter which way you look at it.  Look out for the Ursinus---and Gettysburg---and Muhlenberg next season.  The freshmen will be sophomores and some exciting new recruits will make it an interesting season.  The CC will be tough next year.

Again--thanks to D3 Hoops!  Great Job!
not sure what you see in those teams mentioned ...you (and the CC) might be in for some surprises next year. stay tuned

divison3

How about expanding on your comment.  I am no sure where you are coming from.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 23, 2010, 10:01:40 PM
hi gabriel
i guess i don't think muhlenberg is looking particularly strong (was weak at end of season without barnes),gettysburg seems up and down though zurn is a big pickup, ursinus loses remy which is huge. seems ike f&m (and i am not a fan) again looks like the leader. the rest of the league might be up for grabs is all i was saying. washington, swat, mcdaniel, hopkins and dickinson seem like they will be down in the bottom half. on one hand i agree with you that muhl, ursinus and gettysburg will be in top half, but maybe it seems like it might be a down year. too early to say.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 24, 2010, 08:58:21 PM
I am biased, but I really think Swat will be in the upper half next year. Could I have a run down on the league next year and who will be good?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 25, 2010, 12:16:22 AM
you might be right, swat dad, anything can happen, but swat generally does not figure into the playoffs.(i think the basketball gods forbid it!)i know that swat got one good recruit on the rebound for next year who was planning on going elsewhere; maybe he will help their situation. it's hard to win with only two players. what makes you think swat will make the playoffs? they were 7-18 last year, and that was already a huge improvement.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 25, 2010, 06:27:05 PM
I think that maybe I am just thinking positively about the possibility of them continuing to improve. I think Jordan M. will continue to improve at the point (he had a great freshmen year), they will have many back next year, I saw improvement over the course of the year, and they have a great coach who is a great game planner. Could you let me know more about the recruit? I haven't heard yet. Thanks for your comments! I loved the basketball gods comment, actually laughed out loud at that one!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 25, 2010, 06:34:58 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on March 24, 2010, 08:58:21 PM
I am biased, but I really think Swat will be in the upper half next year. Could I have a run down on the league next year and who will be good?

Swat Dad,

I am biased too so I think Ursinus will be very good----still young but very good.  Losing Remy will hurt---particularly his rebounding.  Ward, Janowski, Hilton  etc will have to pick up the slack.  Hopefully--Coach Small will be able to recruit a long wing who can score and play d.  We can only pray for another Shattuck.

Gettysburg will be very good as well.  They have arguably the best player in the CC in Powers.  They lose very little and were tough at the end of the year.

Muhlenberg has one on the best players in the conference in Liddic.  I think they were better offensively without Barnes this past year as they had more speed.  They will miss him defensively.

Of course, F&M will be the team to beat even if they recruit no one.

Coach Wimberly seems to think Swat will be better next year and we all know they will always play hard.  There is not a better coach in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 25, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
Thanks Gabriel, that was just what I was looking for! Great analysis!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 26, 2010, 08:15:40 AM
hi gabriel,
wimberly seems like a good guy, certainly smart and cares about his kids. i am not agreeing or disagreeing, but what makes you think he is a superior coach in the league? do you like what he runs offensively? is the defense strong and particularly well orchestrated?and who else do you think are the strongest coaches?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 26, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: division3 on March 26, 2010, 08:15:40 AM
hi gabriel,
wimberly seems like a good guy, certainly smart and cares about his kids. i am not agreeing or disagreeing, but what makes you think he is a superior coach in the league? do you like what he runs offensively? is the defense strong and particularly well orchestrated?and who else do you think are the strongest coaches?

division3,

Coach Wimberly is a great guy.  He cares about his program and his kids.  As we all know, coaching at Swarthmore can be a nightmare-----for a coach who cares only about wins----because of the strict academic requirements.  Yet he stays and does a wonderful job----in my opinion.  In my observation, he is a superior "X's & O's" coach----strong in game planning and making in game adjustments.  He just flat knows the game.

Obviously, GRob is one of the best in the league in all facets of coaching.  I have never met him personally but have seen him in game situations many times.  I think his strengths are in teaching defense and post players.  At least that's how his teams have appeared to me over the years.

Kevin Small has to be mentioned among the best-----4 CC championships in 10 years at the helm.  He is a superior recruiter and motivator who, like some of the others, really cares about his players.  Game planning and in game adjustments are two strengths he learned----probably from Coach Wimberly while his assistant at Swat.

Coach Petrie at Gettysburg is an excellent coach who seems to be an outstanding recruiter----and teaches sound fundamentals.  Seems to give up on his kids too easily during tough games.

There are other good coaches in the CC, but these are my top four.




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 27, 2010, 09:57:48 AM
my view,
grob wins but i find him highly unappealing.
wimberly is a special person and good coach.
smalls is, as he says, all about the ursinus family and breeds loyalty,commitment and is a winner.
i agree that petrie doesn't get the most from his players.
mules coach is new at muhlenberg...haven't heard good things about him.
mucci cares about his guys and does pretty well with a tough recruiting situation like swat.
thanks for your feedback and sharing your opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 27, 2010, 04:48:02 PM
Quote from: division3 on March 27, 2010, 09:57:48 AM
my view,
grob wins but i find him highly unappealing.
wimberly is a special person and good coach.
smalls is, as he says, all about the ursinus family and breeds loyalty,commitment and is a winner.
i agree that petrie doesn't get the most from his players.
mules coach is new at muhlenberg...haven't heard good things about him.
mucci cares about his guys and does pretty well with a tough recruiting situation like swat.
thanks for your feedback and sharing your opinions.


d3,

Thanks for mentioning Mucci.  I am always impressed with how tough Haverford plays against teams with more talent.  His zone defenses are impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 28, 2010, 11:53:01 PM
hi swat dad,
doesn't your son know about next year's recruits? sometimes i don' know if you are serious or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 29, 2010, 04:57:38 PM
I know only about the ones who went Ed1 (Early Decision I) back in December but someone mentioned a new recruit that I hadn't (nor my son) heard about. So, I will leave it at that I am not aware of a recent recruit going to Swarthmore, the only ones I know of are the early signers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 29, 2010, 05:11:19 PM
division3 and swatdad,

Some more thoughts on coaches and recruiting.  

Like Williams and Amherst---Swarthmore and Haverford attract recruits nationally and internationally.  Perhaps JHU and F&M get some national attention too.  Ursinus and most of the other CC schools rarely get this kind of attention----the coaches have to work that much harder to attract recruits and sell their schools.

That is why I give Kevin Small all the credit in the world for building a program that was in tough shape in 2000 to what it is today----very good and getting better.  He was not even a full time employee of the college for the first six years of his tenure.  He became full time just about 3 years ago.

Everyone knows he has had chances to move on to other jobs but has chosen not to do so out of loyalty to the college and his players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 29, 2010, 05:47:41 PM
He is a great coach! His kids play hard, seems to know his X's and O's and recruits great players. As I am just learning this league, did he come from the Swarthmore program (player or assistant coach)?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 29, 2010, 09:27:17 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on March 29, 2010, 05:47:41 PM
He is a great coach! His kids play hard, seems to know his X's and O's and recruits great players. As I am just learning this league, did he come from the Swarthmore program (player or assistant coach)?

Swat Dad,

He was an assistant at Swat when he got the Ursinus job.  He and Coach Wimberly remain close friends to this day.  Prior to that he was an assistant at both Haverford and Ursinus.  He knows the conference well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on March 29, 2010, 10:51:13 PM
hi gabriel,
smalls is a great recruiter...seems to have many local kids from PA locked up pretty good.
one key difference about haverford and swat is that many kids can't get into the school based on academic qualifications. i feel that swat and haverford have it toughest in terms of recruiting, born out by generally inferior talent.
i am not taking anything away from smalls...he has built a fine program. my guess is many of his players couldn't get into swat or haverford,( though most of the schools in the conference are quite good.)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 30, 2010, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: division3 on March 29, 2010, 10:51:13 PM
hi gabriel,
smalls is a great recruiter...seems to have many local kids from PA locked up pretty good.
one key difference about haverford and swat is that many kids can't get into the school based on academic qualifications. i feel that swat and haverford have it toughest in terms of recruiting, born out by generally inferior talent.
i am not taking anything away from smalls...he has built a fine program. my guess is many of his players couldn't get into swat or haverford,( though most of the schools in the conference are quite good.)

d3,

I understand the difficulty in getting into Swat and Haverford.  On the other hand their reputation attracts kids from other parts of the country.  Ian McCormick comes to mind as he was/is from Washington state, as I remember.  Does that even the playing field?

Don't underestimate the entrance requirements for Ursinus and some other schools in the CC.  Many players such as Ward, Noonan, Hilton, Janowski etc have the academic credentials to get into almost any school.  Most considered Ivy or Patriot League schools prior to choosing Ursinus.

Isn't Division III great!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 31, 2010, 06:35:49 PM

My two cents on Coach Wimberly is that I am less than impressed. Other than his effective use of time-outs, I don't believe he lives up to his "NBA hype". While I acknowledge the academics standards at Swat and how they make recruiting difficult. I suspect that Swat's admissions standards are fairly similar to those at F&M. I would expect more .500 records and an occasional participant in the Conference tourney to validate his ability! I have voiced this assessment several time in past discussions of Centennial coaches. Sorry about that!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 31, 2010, 09:29:08 PM
Eric -  While I think F&M is one of the best DIII basketball teams I have ever seen (2008-09 Ithaca College team was as good I thought), Swarthmore is on a different planet to get in than F&M. The average SAT score is close to 2300 and almost 70% are either one or two in their high school class. Swarthmore, Amherst, and Williams are on par with Ivy League Colleges, sometime better. So, try to imagine the number of students with 2300 SAT scores. Now have them be at the top of their class. Next, have them be quality basketball players able to play at the DIII level. Finally, convince them to play at Swarthmore. That is what Coach Wimberly is up against every year recruiting.

On another note, I thought F&M had the best DIII defender I have ever seen. I can' think of his name but he was a forward. Just a tremendous lock-down defender and very physical but not dirty at all. At times when watching F&M, I thought I was watching a Mid-Major DI team. I really thought they were that good!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 01, 2010, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 31, 2010, 06:35:49 PM

My two cents on Coach Wimberly is that I am less than impressed. Other than his effective use of time-outs, I don't believe he lives up to his "NBA hype". While I acknowledge the academics standards at Swat and how they make recruiting difficult. I suspect that Swat's admissions standards are fairly similar to those at F&M. I would expect more .500 records and an occasional participant in the Conference tourney to validate his ability! I have voiced this assessment several time in past discussions of Centennial coaches. Sorry about that!

Eric



Eric,

Coach Wimberly is an excellent "Xs & Os" coach who knows the game and gets his kids to play his way.  Ask the other coaches and I would guess they will tell you the same thing.  A good recruiter he is not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on April 01, 2010, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: division3 on March 29, 2010, 10:51:13 PMi feel that swat and haverford have it toughest in terms of recruiting, born out by generally inferior talent.

Quote from: Gabriel on March 29, 2010, 05:11:19 PM
Like Williams and Amherst---Swarthmore and Haverford attract recruits nationally and internationally. 

Specifically, does anyone know what has kept Swat and Haverford from placing the same emphasis on athletics that Amherst and Williams have clearly had over the years? Boards of Trustees? Presidents?

If Swat and Haverford had a similar recruiting philosophy to their NESCAC counterparts, I think it would benefit this conference—and the schools themselves—in numerous positive ways.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on April 01, 2010, 02:13:11 PM
Swat Dad, You must be looking to generate some chatter on here since the season is on hiatus.Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams on par, sometimes better then Ivy ?????!!!!!! Ok I know it's April 1st but I'll play along. Please SD, ask any employer if he or she had the choice to take a grad from Harvard/Yale/ Cornell or Swarthmore?? Not even a fair horse race. Those schools  aren't even close to the academic clout or alumni networking Ivy schools provide. Next, you state watching F&M at times was like watching a Mid Major D1 Team this year?? Way to many F&M/ Centenial Conference games for you this year, I guess you didn't get a chance to watch much CBS on the weekends this winter or the tournament currently going on. Cornell vs. F&M? F&M vs Butler? Northern Iowa vs F&M? Don't think so. This being the first year I've experianced CC BALL full time, I've said to many I am very impressed with the level of play, talent and night in night out competition but I think you should stop drinking the Centennial Koolaid, could permanently alter sports objectivity and common sense. Enjoy the sun on this Fool's Day Swat Dad and other CC followers!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 01, 2010, 05:10:13 PM
Wow I know this is a basketball blog, but academics were brought up so I responded to it. Yes Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are on the same level as the Ivies. You mention Cornell? Those three colleges are all much much harder to get in than Cornell. It isn't even close. Yale and Harvard are the top two and maybe a tad above the three but not much. Swarthmore puts a higher percentage in graduate schools than any college in the country. Go to any college ranking website and look it up. Swarthmore was named the best college for the money in the country in the 2009 US News and World Report and the #1 college on the Forbes college rankings a few years ago (above Harvard, Yale, and Cornell). I am not stating anything that isn't available out there for anyone to see. Go to Collegeboard.com (the SAT website) and research it yourself. As for why Swarthmore doesn't stress sports the way Williams and Amherst do is anyone's guess. Academics are #1, #2, #3  all the way to #99. Sports are #100 there. It doesn't matter as anyone who goes there knows that. Just to show you how hard it is to get into Swarthmore, a certain young man was rejected by Swarthmore a few years back. His name - Barak Obama. As for watching Mid-majors this year, I got a chance to watch Cornell in person many times this year. Yes F&M could have played some of the teams Cornell played this year. In fact, I watched Ithaca College (DIII) beat Cornell handily in a scrimmage last year. You enjoy the sun and weekend too!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on April 01, 2010, 06:06:36 PM
 Checking out the site and saw the conversation between Swat Dad and cocoh2oDad. I will say ,it depends on what is considered a Mid-Major. The past 2 years saw Randolph-Macon College beat both American U. and George-Mason, but take it on the chin at Richmond. I know it is not along time, but over the last 11 years I have seen a good amount of D-3 ball and now, this is MHO,The top D-3 schools are  able to play against mid-majors on any given night. Top D-3 being top ten to fifteen teams. This years Butler?? NO WAY!! Northern Iowa?? NO WAY!!  Colgate,Bucknell, Norfolk State, UMBC ??? YES<YES<AND YES. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth. Have a nice summer waiting for D-3 hoops to fire up again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: kate on April 02, 2010, 11:03:28 AM
Good morning, Swat Dad - in response to your previous post about the President, IMHO, Swarthmore's loss!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 02, 2010, 11:54:23 AM
Kate - I agree 100%  President Obama says he did not work as hard as he should have in high school. However, this proves two things. 1 - it is very very hard to get into Swarthmore and 2 - The admission process at any college will never be perfect. I heard today that Harvard sent out so many emails that most email systems viewed them as junk mail and automatically deleted them so many kids don't know their status at Harvard.

Donho - I have theory about why this is happening. Not sure if it is true, but just a hunch. 10-15 years ago, few kids played hoop outside of the season, and therefore, there were only a few standouts. Those kids played DI.  Now, with AAU so popular, there are many times more quality players. This has a trickle down effect that makes DIII basketball so much better. I think anyone of the CC's first teamers could play and contribute at those lower mid-majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on April 02, 2010, 02:17:56 PM
Swat Dad, Ten to 15 years ago and more like 30 years ago, my era, there wasn't much in AAU or camps during the off season for us to hone our skills at, but take my word for it, the talent was around, the media, internet, networking wasn't. We played our rear ends off at all of the playgrounds and adult  summer leagues everyday/night of the off season. Kick off was Easter weekend when I remember quite a few years we had to shovel the snow off the courts in order to play. Most of us growing up would play against all the older guys and adults and get a schooling. Best way in my books to learn the game and get better. We'd drive down to Philly, Easton, Scranton looking for pick up games at certain playgrounds we all knew were hot beds for great pick up ball. Playground/ pick up ball is long gone and all of us who played in that era reminisce over beers way to often about those lost times. I do agree we you that quite a few of the CC first teamers could contribute on the mid-major level especially after a year or two under their belt. But after seeing this first year and the academic benefits our son is reaping in the CC, something he would not have gotten at most D1, (except the Ivy), he is very happy, as are we, with his decision to go to the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on April 03, 2010, 10:07:18 PM
swat dad...swat is a very good school, as we all know. to me , the discussion about whether it is as good or better than ivy is silly. not an important distinction. doesn't matter. not sure what you are getting at. also, i think you highly overate F&M...they are not that good when you look outside the conference... their record indicates domination in the conference but they were shaky fairly often. also, i don't think most CC first teamers could contribute in the Ivy's, let alone mid major. i think most, if not all, would ride the bench in the Ivy's.(I often disagree with your assessment of players.) milligan is the best defender on F&M, by the way.

gabriel, to me the recruiting in CC is not an even playing field as you suggest...look at the players and history of the programs. i would attribute the differences more to recruiting than coaching. and with all due respect, the standards to get into haverford and swat are quite different than ursinus, f&m etc. kids go to different schools because they are often just different kinds of kids (i don't think the kids looking at ursinus are looking at swat/haverford and vice versa) as well as different players and definitely in possession of different intellects/grades/SAT scores. mccormick was an exception, both in location and basketball. swat rarely gets a kid as good as him and rarely from the west coast.most kids in CC are from the east coast.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on April 04, 2010, 09:55:40 AM
I agree with division 3 on the issue of CC players playing at mid majors. I think you underestimate the level of play in DI at every level. The Centennial is a terrific DIII conference but the players are at the level where they can play. I don't want to specifically criticize any individual players but size,quickness or one skill weakness is what separates them from the IVY. As to Swat's academics, there is little room for debate, year in and year out they are ranked in the top 5 nationally for liberal arts colleges. I think Swat is as highly valued as the IVY schools in academe but certainly not as valued by those outside of academe.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 04, 2010, 05:50:31 PM
DIII - not sure what you are getting at. I was responding to someone saying Swat's admission standards are the same as F&M's. They are not close. I ask you, what background do you have on judging college talent. I have coached for 24 years including high school and AAU that put several young men in college basketball. I coached a young man who is playing DI this year. Both of Swat's guards this year are much better than him. F&M has made it to the final four and final eight the last two years. How are they not a great DIII team? I have followed DIII for the last 28 years and have watched Ithaca College, Hamilton, Hobart, St. Lawrence, Clarkson and several other DIII teams. I think I have a pretty good grasp of DIII basketball. I said there are a few players capable of playing at the mid-major level, not all players in the league. Have a wonderful rest of this gorgeous weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on April 04, 2010, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on April 04, 2010, 05:50:31 PM
DIII - not sure what you are getting at. I was responding to someone saying Swat's admission standards are the same as F&M's. They are not close. I ask you, what background do you have on judging college talent. I have coached for 24 years including high school and AAU that put several young men in college basketball. I coached a young man who is playing DI this year. Both of Swat's guards this year are much better than him. F&M has made it to the final four and final eight the last two years. How are they not a great DIII team? I have followed DIII for the last 28 years and have watched Ithaca College, Hamilton, Hobart, St. Lawrence, Clarkson and several other DIII teams. I think I have a pretty good grasp of DIII basketball. I said there are a few players capable of playing at the mid-major level, not all players in the league. Have a wonderful rest of this gorgeous weekend!
swat dad...you make me laugh. you have already said and done many things on this board that are indeed entertaining and i thank you for that. now i am asked to compare my background with yours to justify my basketball opinions. ridiculous. by the way,the most entertaining thing in your last post is that swat's guards are "much better" than your D1 player. if that were remotely the case, safe to say swat would have gotten a lot more "w"'s than they did, don't you think coach?... they say "love is blind". go swat! happy easter you silly wabbit.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 04, 2010, 06:50:21 PM
So I take it therefore, you have no basketball background and therefore can ridicule anyone's opinion that is different than yours. In fact, I can't think of an issue or opinion you made on here. You only put down others.  Yes both Allen and Martinez are better than a kid I coached who is on a DI team and played in most games this year. Top DI talent is on a different planet, but lower mid-major teams are filled with players who are not that much better than top DIII talent. But, your superior basketball mind knows more than us lowly earthlings. I must admit, you make me laugh too. You are the type that says Bush sucks, Obama sucks and then has no opinion on what person would be better and then says supporters of either are wrong. So coach, tell me about your opinion of mid-majors and let me know your background on these teams. I anxiously wait your reply.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2010, 09:19:08 PM
Swat Dad: None of those teams you listed has really done anything nationally in decades. F&M is the only one that's gotten to the Final Four in the Pools era, and they haven't beaten anyone from outside this half of the country to do so, pretty sure.

The Mid-Atlantic/Atlantic/East/Northeast is not considered as strong as the South/Great Lakes/Midwest/West half of the country. Your frame of reference to make comparisons about F&M is a little limited.

F&M is a good Division III program over that stretch, but there are great Division III programs as well. F&M might be on that list -- they would certainly be considered -- but in Division III, merely advancing in the tournament is not the be-all and end-all. The bracket is still constructed primarily regionally.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on April 05, 2010, 10:06:42 AM
Quote from: Swat Dad on April 04, 2010, 06:50:21 PM
So I take it therefore, you have no basketball background and therefore can ridicule anyone's opinion that is different than yours. In fact, I can't think of an issue or opinion you made on here. You only put down others.  Yes both Allen and Martinez are better than a kid I coached who is on a DI team and played in most games this year. Top DI talent is on a different planet, but lower mid-major teams are filled with players who are not that much better than top DIII talent. But, your superior basketball mind knows more than us lowly earthlings. I must admit, you make me laugh too. You are the type that says Bush sucks, Obama sucks and then has no opinion on what person would be better and then says supporters of either are wrong. So coach, tell me about your opinion of mid-majors and let me know your background on these teams. I anxiously wait your reply.
Swat dad, I am sorry you feel the way you do. I have re-read our posts and to me yours are aggressive, overly personal and quite odd. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. May I make it up to you by offering to send you an autographed ball by the 2010 F&M men's basketball team?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 05, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
Nope didn't hurt my feelings, was just replying to your posts. I think your posts are the ones that are personal, but whatever. I take it you are a student with little experience of basketball other than watching it from the stands. Therefore, I forgive you and no, not looking for an autographed ball. If Swat gets to where I think they can in a couple years, I will send you an autographed ball. Should I send it to MacDonald's or your home? Oh just kidding..... lighten up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on April 06, 2010, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: Swat Dad on April 05, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
Nope didn't hurt my feelings, was just replying to your posts. I think your posts are the ones that are personal, but whatever. I take it you are a student with little experience of basketball other than watching it from the stands. Therefore, I forgive you and no, not looking for an autographed ball. If Swat gets to where I think they can in a couple years, I will send you an autographed ball. Should I send it to MacDonald's or your home? Oh just kidding..... lighten up.
I am calling a truce with Swat Dad that I will attempt to honor. I will try to limit my Swat Dad exchanges to basketball discussion only. Back to an earlier post by Swat Dad related to Swat guards...most, not all teams in the CC, have better guards than Swat. To single out Martinez (who has alot of potential) and Allen (who was not a particularly special player) in our conference as examples of low mid major quality guards makes no sense to me, particularly with a host of guards that are better than them in our league. Do you consider Ivy League basketball mid major or low mid major basketball? If so, very few of the best guards (players) in CC would thrive there and if they were on an Ivy team, my guess is they would have a career largely lived on the bench (maybe Dartmouth is a possible exception). we could easily say remy (ursinus) and milligan (F&M) are two of the best guards in CC last season...I don't think they would fare very well there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 06, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: division3 on April 06, 2010, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: Swat Dad on April 05, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
Nope didn't hurt my feelings, was just replying to your posts. I think your posts are the ones that are personal, but whatever. I take it you are a student with little experience of basketball other than watching it from the stands. Therefore, I forgive you and no, not looking for an autographed ball. If Swat gets to where I think they can in a couple years, I will send you an autographed ball. Should I send it to MacDonald's or your home? Oh just kidding..... lighten up.
I am calling a truce with Swat Dad that I will attempt to honor. I will try to limit my Swat Dad exchanges to basketball discussion only. Back to an earlier post by Swat Dad related to Swat guards...most, not all teams in the CC, have better guards than Swat. To single out Martinez (who has alot of potential) and Allen (who was not a particularly special player) in our conference as examples of low mid major quality guards makes no sense to me, particularly with a host of guards that are better than them in our league. Do you consider Ivy League basketball mid major or low mid major basketball? If so, very few of the best guards (players) in CC would thrive there and if they were on an Ivy team, my guess is they would have a career largely lived on the bench (maybe Dartmouth is a possible exception). we could easily say remy (ursinus) and milligan (F&M) are two of the best guards in CC last season...I don't think they would fare very well there.


division3,

I agree, both Cousart & Milligan have their strengths at the DIII level, but neither shoots well enough to make their mark in D1----which is why they are playing DIII.  One of the best point guards to come out of the CC in recent years was Mike McGarvey.  He could do it all in DIII competition but was too small and not quick enough to get any playing time at almost any D1 program. Coming out of high school, he was a borderline D1 recruit--by Ivy and Patriot League Schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 06, 2010, 05:50:47 PM
Ursinus alum Steve Donahue just named Head Coach at Boston College after a terrific run at Cornell.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: division3 on April 06, 2010, 06:57:58 PM
Gabriel...didn't know donahue was an ursinus alum. great coach. i am happy for him. also, mcgarvey is a special person and i wish i had seen him play. he must have been nasty. his numbers  were great. nice to see him on the bench with smalls. a real gentleman. i know him and dennis stanton from sports challenge and both are fine young men. as i am sure you know, stanton was an off-the-charts shooter.i have seen video of him pulling from very, very deep in his european league days.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 07, 2010, 07:32:48 AM
Quote from: division3 on April 06, 2010, 06:57:58 PM
Gabriel...didn't know donahue was an ursinus alum. great coach. i am happy for him. also, mcgarvey is a special person and i wish i had seen him play. he must have been nasty. his numbers  were great. nice to see him on the bench with smalls. a real gentleman. i know him and dennis stanton from sports challenge and both are fine young men. as i am sure you know, stanton was an off-the-charts shooter.i have seen video of him pulling from very, very deep in his european league days.

divison3,

Stanton's game improved so much as a senior at Ursinus---averaged over 30 per game.  Given a chance, he could have played D1.  Coming out of high school he was not that highly recruited and, in fact, started his collegiate career at Dickinson.  Nick Shattuck is another player who could have played low D1---Ivy or Patriot league.  Both will tell you that they would not trade the Ursinus experience.

Sports Challenge----you must know the Ursinus/Haverford crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on April 07, 2010, 10:59:48 AM
Swat Dad, Just a quick question. Out of pure, simple, non judgmental curiosity, you speak much in your posts about your 24 years as a high school coach and "experience"in the game, but have you ever played the game of basketball on any level? I don't recall you making mention of that in any of your posts. Sorry if I missed that.
As for the multi post conversation about CC and DIII players being able to play on the mid/low major D1 or Ivy level. Please, unless any of those having the conversation have experience, 1- as a player who then goes on to coach on the college level and 2- as a father who played the game and now has had a son who has gone through the meat grinder called D1 Basketball recruiting, I don't think you can fairly assume and or evaluate who is worthy of playing and contributing on these certain levels. I know and have had enough experiences with quite a few "never played the game coaches" and "social networking fans" of the game who quite frankly have no right to speak with authority or judge that aspect of this great game. There is a lot to be said for playing the game itself, competing with those on the court with you, knowing what it takes to win and lose a game on the court, being a teammate, having the mental pressures of a packed house/game on the line/shooting 1 and 1, going through a shooting slump, coming back from an injury maybe before your healthy because you love the game and your teammates, or being coached and under developed by a "COACH" (who never put on a jock in his life thus experienced none of the above) during your most formidable and growing years as a basketball player. I truly believe unless you have experienced all or most of this you are in no way qualified to judge who is worthy of playing on what level. Sitting on line and hiding behind a blog/posting name or coaching the game you never had the ability to play does not qualify you to make these assessments, especially if you have no clue as to that particular player's history and what they have been exposed to and experienced. Just an opinion from someone who HAS experienced all this and more. Are there exceptions? Sure, but a very minor few. These sites have given birth to way too many who now have a false sense of bravado and  to those who think they have a big pair when in fact they truly haven't earned them. I will say, this site is much more civil then many others I've seen and read but as you can tell this is a huge thorn in my side and I appreciate the forum to express my passion on the subject. Enjoy this early summer weather all.       
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 07, 2010, 04:30:16 PM
Wow, don't come on here a couple days and all heck breaks loose. DIII sounds good. I love talking hoop. Coco - sounds like you are calling me out. Ok - I played basketball from second grade through varsity. My high school team was state ranked all three years I played including finishing the #4 ranked team in Class B in New York State. I was recruited (ok coach said to try out) but did not play college ball although I scrimmaged with them all the time. I may (and I say this lightly, may have made the team as a #14 guy who would have carried the towels and water). However, I have coached High school ball for 24 years at a high school and town that is nuts about hoop. We average over 800 fans a game in a high school that graduates about 70 a year. We have gone to the state final four and have won several sectional championships. I also had the wonderful experience of coaching an AAU team for four years that every single player on it is now playing college ball (including a DI player who plays for a local college). I have also coached at college camps and AAU college recruiting tournaments.  I have also gone through the entire DII recruiting process including official visits, scholarship offers, ect. So, I feel I do have a pretty good feel for college ball. So, what is your story? I am sure mine will pale by comparison, but I would love to hear. Maybe I can learn something from you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on April 07, 2010, 04:45:28 PM
Swat Dad
     You obviously have an exstensive hoops background but I have to agree with those who question your statement about Swat's guards. They are solid DIII players but they are not DI players and they need not apologize for that. They are playing for a great school in a good conference but like every player in the conference, they are playing at the right level.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 07, 2010, 05:16:46 PM
Ok you are correct. What I was talking about was the terrific play of F&M and that the top players in the CC could make some mid-major teams. The two Swat guards are good DIII guards. All I was trying to say (and I did a crappy job) was that I was lucky enough to coach a kid who is playing on a DI team. In my humble opinion, I think the two Swat guards are as good as him. He is a walk-on but got significant playing time as a freshman. If I have said anything that offended anyone, I apologize. All I was trying to say was how good the play is in the CC and how good I thought F&M really was. I will try in the future to keep everything positive and not get in a p***ing match with some posters. And, I do not want an autographed basketball, we have enough crap in this house and my wife would kill me. There is my pathetic attempt at humor.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 17, 2010, 08:26:55 PM
http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/cracking-the-financial-aid-code.html

Thought you all might enjoy this article from Kiplinger's Personal Finance which addresses Ursinus' admission process.  Relates to recent postings.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on April 19, 2010, 11:08:20 PM
Gabriel,
   Good catch, especially for those that are prospects for these DIII schools in the Mid-Atlantic region.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 25, 2010, 03:27:12 PM
For light summer reading, I recommend the book "Under Your Nose" by Matt Leon.
Matt is the sports anchor & reporter for KYW Newsradio in Philly.  The book is about great Philadelphia sports stories many of us have never heard about.  I was attracted because one chapter is about the 2007-2008 Ursinus Men's Basketball Team and its surprising run to the Final Four.

You can get the book at Barnes & Noble, Amazon.com or visit www.sportschallengenetwork.com
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on July 11, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
I was watching a commercial on the Oakland area mlb network and had my memories of yore strirred. I
was surprised that the Ad theme was  "The Three Matt's". It featued three Bay area sports personalitities named Matt. One of them was Matt Steinmetz a formmer F&M player who I think is a reporter that focuses on the Golden State Warriers. Long-time Dip fans may remember some of his exploits in the mid-80's.

Here are a few that bring back strong or fond memeries.
1. The overtime game against Princeton that he almost singlehandedly engineered an upset in 1985.
2. Herb McGee's Philadelphia Textile finally stopping Dips by double-teaming Matt in Philadelphia.
3. Making a shot at Dickinson's Kline Center from very, very long range at games end to win.
4. Matt having a torrid shooting night in NCAA's against Susquehanna, until they switched to a Box & One on him & they came back to upend Dips. I also think this was the game a Freshman Brad Markey made a long trifecta that would have been key, but was ruled out of bounds but heralded another future star of the programs ability.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 16, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/20100514k6sz3

See the resumes on the three Ursinus recruits.  Bears apparently will stick with a 12 man roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 16, 2010, 03:20:24 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on July 16, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/20100514k6sz3

See the resumes on the three Ursinus recruits.  Bears apparently will stick with a 12 man roster.

http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/20100514k6sz3b

Maybe this link will work better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on July 20, 2010, 07:31:48 PM
Thanks! All three seem like really good recruits! Any other news out there anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 02, 2010, 05:26:30 PM

Greetings folks! As we enter August, it is easy to begin to think about the return of DIII Men's Basketball. Does anyone else have any new on recruiting, injuries, non-returnees, coaching changes, etc? Let's get some buzz going in this room again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 02, 2010, 06:08:20 PM
http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/20100514k6sz3b

Diplomaniac1,

Welcome back!  Can't wait for hoops to get going again.  Ursinus released the names/resumes of their recruits.  All three have excellent resumes and carry themselves with class.  Hope they blend in quickly as the Bears season will depend on how fast the freshmen and sophomores mature. 

Matt Hilton is likely to be the only senior starter and he is poised to have a much better season that last year when he just never found his groove.  The rising juniors will have to work hard for playing time.  The Bears will be young again with perhaps five freshmen and sophomores in the rotation.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on August 03, 2010, 11:38:25 AM
Looking forward to the season...but haven't heard any recruiting info from F&M. Brooks graduated and won't use his final year of basketball eligibility -- he'll be a big loss. I think Beckford is a strong candidate for that starting spot. Will be interesting to see what the Dips bring in after several good recruiting years.

For the first time in a few years, I like F&M's schedule (or at least what's been pieced together on the D3hoops website, since the school hasn't officially posted anything). The Dips have an early road test at St. Mary's in a Sweet 16 rematch. Then it's on to the Lopata Classic at Wash U, where they'll play Claremont-Mudd-Scripps in the first game. Throw in a road trip to Collegeville on Dec. 1, and the Dips have a stronger pre-holiday schedule than they've had in quite some time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 03, 2010, 01:05:43 PM
Welcome back R.W.

Ursinus has a challenging schedule too.  They open at the Wesleyan (CT) College tip off.  Wesleyan projects to finish in the second tier of the NESCAC---behind Williams, Middlebury & Amherst.  Wesleyan had a couple of superb recruiting years under their new coach.  The Bears will open against the College of Staten Island in tourney and then, hopefully, Wesleyan.  Then they play three straight home games (unusual for them) against McDaniel, Eastern and F&M.  No Drew or Leb Valley on their schedule this year---again very unusual.

They play in two back to back post Christmas tourneys---first at the Hampton Sydney Holiday Tournament and then the Casa Mia Holiday Tournament----they play Albright University in the first game.  No West Coast or Florida trips this year.

Some early tests to see if the young Bears are ready to compete with the top tier teams of the Centennial Conference.  Hope to see all of you Dips fans at Collegeville on December 1.  The place should be rocking.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 05, 2010, 05:23:10 PM

Gabriel -

Thanks for the "welcome back" and you info on Ursinus! It has been a very busy time for me professionally since my trip to St. Mary's in early March and I haven't really had the time to think about DIII basketball and to check out D3hoops.com. I know, that is really hard to believe! Sounds like the Bears have some good contests early on. Good luck to your Bears as long as they don't beat my Diplomats!

Have a great rest of the summer. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 05, 2010, 05:42:16 PM


R. W. -

Welcome back! It is good to see that you are still posting up. I haven't heard any news on recruting either. However, my time and focus has bee somewhat limited this summer. I am starting to get the itch for DIII basketball.

I agree that Brooks' graduation is a tremendous loss. His athleticism, speed, defense, and leadership will be hard to replace. I also agree with you that Beckford is the likely starter as long as he continues to progress defensively. I thought there were many times last year that he got lost on defense. The game in St. Mary's is a notable example of this in my mind.

As to the Diplomats' schedule. I am also disappointed that it has not yet been posted on the F&M website. I even sent an e-mail inquiry message to the Athletic Department several weeks ago asking about the schedule. I have not yet received any response to my inquiry, not even an acknowledgement of receving my inquiry.

As to your information on the Dips' early season schedule, I think a tough slate pre-holidays is a dangerous "double-edged sword". I don't really see the upside to any potential early-season losses and, with the exception of the St. Mary's game, any potential early-season wins won't even count as in-region wins. Quite frankly, I am a proponent of the way F&M has designed its early-season schedule in recent years. This is because, I think those games are best designed to get "rid of the rust"; to build team chemistry; to develop the expected standard substitution rotation; and to get the freshman recruits acclimated to F&M's way of doing things. Feel free to disagree with me.

Let me know if you hear any news. Otherwise, bring on the season now. Regards,

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2010, 09:50:34 PM
This may get you started:

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/FM/mens/2011

In recent years F&M has had trouble filling its home tournaments. No idea how they are progressing this year, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: chairman on August 05, 2010, 11:15:44 PM
Does F & M play away games?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2010, 11:17:02 PM
Well, the Centennial forces it to. Otherwise ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on August 06, 2010, 09:00:13 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on August 05, 2010, 05:42:16 PM
As to your information on the Dips' early season schedule, I think a tough slate pre-holidays is a dangerous "double-edged sword". I don't really see the upside to any potential early-season losses and, with the exception of the St. Mary's game, any potential early-season wins won't even count as in-region wins. Quite frankly, I am a proponent of the way F&M has designed its early-season schedule in recent years. This is because, I think those games are best designed to get "rid of the rust"; to build team chemistry; to develop the expected standard substitution rotation; and to get the freshman recruits acclimated to F&M's way of doing things. Feel free to disagree with me.

Hello, Eric. I see what you are saying, but I think the other approach would make the team stronger -- that's why I said I was pleased with this year's schedule. Road trips to St. Mary's and St. Louis are great to see, in my opinion.

On an annual basis, my ideal schedule for F&M would include getting rid of one of the two home tournaments (let's say the new year tourney) and filling those dates with a trip to a D-III power. Maybe a New England trip to play Williams and Amherst, with the teams playing in Mayser the following year. Or a trip to Ohio to play Wittenberg and Wooster. Even better, a trip to play IWU or any of the traditional powers in the midwest. This is the kind of approach the F&M women's lacrosse team has taken, and it helped them win two national titles.

The Dips did fare extremely well on the road in NCAAs last year despite a rather unimpressive non-conference schedule. The CC prepared them well, and I also think that particular group of players thrived on the road. Still, I think the program should schedule more difficult road tests in non-conference play. That's why I like this year's schedule (what little of it is actually posted now).

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2010, 11:17:02 PM
Well, the Centennial forces it to. Otherwise ...

This is the mindset of many people with regard to F&M's schedule. Which is why it's nice to see something different this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 06, 2010, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on August 06, 2010, 09:00:13 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on August 05, 2010, 05:42:16 PM
As to your information on the Dips' early season schedule, I think a tough slate pre-holidays is a dangerous "double-edged sword". I don't really see the upside to any potential early-season losses and, with the exception of the St. Mary's game, any potential early-season wins won't even count as in-region wins. Quite frankly, I am a proponent of the way F&M has designed its early-season schedule in recent years. This is because, I think those games are best designed to get "rid of the rust"; to build team chemistry; to develop the expected standard substitution rotation; and to get the freshman recruits acclimated to F&M's way of doing things. Feel free to disagree with me.

Hello, Eric. I see what you are saying, but I think the other approach would make the team stronger -- that's why I said I was pleased with this year's schedule. Road trips to St. Mary's and St. Louis are great to see, in my opinion.

On an annual basis, my ideal schedule for F&M would include getting rid of one of the two home tournaments (let's say the new year tourney) and filling those dates with a trip to a D-III power. Maybe a New England trip to play Williams and Amherst, with the teams playing in Mayser the following year. Or a trip to Ohio to play Wittenberg and Wooster. Even better, a trip to play IWU or any of the traditional powers in the midwest. This is the kind of approach the F&M women's lacrosse team has taken, and it helped them win two national titles.

The Dips did fare extremely well on the road in NCAAs last year despite a rather unimpressive non-conference schedule. The CC prepared them well, and I also think that particular group of players thrived on the road. Still, I think the program should schedule more difficult road tests in non-conference play. That's why I like this year's schedule (what little of it is actually posted now).


ODAC schools are relatively close-by too, and would make for a good test.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 07, 2010, 01:37:59 PM

Pat -

Thanks for the information on the Dips' partial schedule.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 07, 2010, 03:19:54 PM
Eric,

I disagree with you.  Who becomes the better ball player, the kid who plays on the playgrounds with the older/better players or the kid who plays with the little kids?  McNally is an example.  Play the best, learn something and become a better team, I think  that is the way to go.

Ursinus plays as many of the best teams from the best schools as they can schedule.  They have played at least one NESCAC school in recent years.  In 2008, they played four all on the road---beating Trinity and Middlebury while losing to Williams and (ugh) Amherst without a healthy Shattuck.  The Bears won two of four.  This year we hope they will play Wesleyan in their tourney.  Both teams have to get by their first round opponents.   It is tough to schedule NESCAC schools as they prefer not to travel that far by bus therefore it seems to be almost impossible to get a home and home series going.  As Pat says, there are plenty of quality DIII programs in eastern PA, Delaware and MD that will suffice as worthy opponents.





Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on August 06, 2010, 09:00:13 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on August 05, 2010, 05:42:16 PM
As to your information on the Dips' early season schedule, I think a tough slate pre-holidays is a dangerous "double-edged sword". I don't really see the upside to any potential early-season losses and, with the exception of the St. Mary's game, any potential early-season wins won't even count as in-region wins. Quite frankly, I am a proponent of the way F&M has designed its early-season schedule in recent years. This is because, I think those games are best designed to get "rid of the rust"; to build team chemistry; to develop the expected standard substitution rotation; and to get the freshman recruits acclimated to F&M's way of doing things. Feel free to disagree with me.

Hello, Eric. I see what you are saying, but I think the other approach would make the team stronger -- that's why I said I was pleased with this year's schedule. Road trips to St. Mary's and St. Louis are great to see, in my opinion.

On an annual basis, my ideal schedule for F&M would include getting rid of one of the two home tournaments (let's say the new year tourney) and filling those dates with a trip to a D-III power. Maybe a New England trip to play Williams and Amherst, with the teams playing in Mayser the following year. Or a trip to Ohio to play Wittenberg and Wooster. Even better, a trip to play IWU or any of the traditional powers in the midwest. This is the kind of approach the F&M women's lacrosse team has taken, and it helped them win two national titles.

The Dips did fare extremely well on the road in NCAAs last year despite a rather unimpressive non-conference schedule. The CC prepared them well, and I also think that particular group of players thrived on the road. Still, I think the program should schedule more difficult road tests in non-conference play. That's why I like this year's schedule (what little of it is actually posted now).

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2010, 11:17:02 PM
Well, the Centennial forces it to. Otherwise ...

This is the mindset of many people with regard to F&M's schedule. Which is why it's nice to see something different this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on August 24, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Any news on the F&M recruits?  Curious how the incoming freshmen look.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 25, 2010, 05:17:17 PM
Quote from: crambam on August 24, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Any news on the F&M recruits?  Curious how the incoming freshmen look.

Dips fans may be disappointed with the news.  Perhaps Chris Rogers was more valuable than given credit for
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 26, 2010, 10:35:56 PM
F&M has historically withheld naming new recruits until they actually show up for practice.  Several years ago F&M had a player from Texas who got homesick before the season began.  Several potential recruits weren't accepted by admissions this year.  That's the only rumors circulating on campus.  F&M is currently playing overseas, but should be back on campus soon.
F&M is scheduled to play 2 games in St. Louis during the first week of December.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 27, 2010, 11:14:50 PM
This weekend sees City of Edinburgh Kings and Clark Eriksson Fury play host to Franklin and Marshall College.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 30, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
F&M 78 Edinburgh Kings 66
F&M 82 Falkirk Fury 60
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 30, 2010, 04:39:04 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

The Athletic Department has finally posted the Diplomats' schedule on its webpage. All of the dates are there, but some of the slots (three tourney games to be exact) still need to be filled in with actual opponents. The following is the link to the schedule. Enjoy.

Have a great week. Regards to all.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/schedule (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/schedule)

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 02, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on August 30, 2010, 04:39:04 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

The Athletic Department has finally posted the Diplomats' schedule on its webpage. All of the dates are there, but some of the slots (three tourney games to be exact) still need to be filled in with actual opponents. The following is the link to the schedule. Enjoy.

Have a great week. Regards to all.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/schedule (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/schedule)

Eric

I note there's no Dips v. LVC this season. Has the long-standing rivalry outlived its usefulness?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 03, 2010, 10:15:48 AM


Warren -

I certainly hope not! I always enjoyed my trip to Annville despite the rowdy fans in the old bandbox. Perhaps, they will show up in a to be determined holiday tournament game. I do not know why LVC is not on the schedule this year. If I had to make a guess, I would say the games at Washington University in Saint Louis tooks its place for this year only. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on September 04, 2010, 08:51:45 AM
Ursinus is not playing LVC this year either after a run of many years.  My understanding is that LVC chose to take a break from the Centennial Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 15, 2010, 04:16:47 PM


Folks -

The following is a link to some interesting reading regarding Lincoln University Atheletics, formerly of Division III:

//http://www.dailylocal.com/articles/2010/09/15/sports/srv0000009392323.txt

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 24, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I didn't see the actual article.  This list was sent to me.  Has anyone seen the article?

Here is the Sporting News preseason Top 10...

1. UW-Stevens Point
2. Franklin & Marshall
3. Randolph-Macon
4. Wooster
5. St. Norbert
6. Eastern Mennonite
7. Williams
8. UW-Whitewater
9. St. Mary's (Md)
10. Virginia Wesleyan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 30, 2010, 04:19:18 PM

Folks -

The following is a link to the F&M website's coverage of The Sporting News article and rankings that Reserved Seat referenced earlier. Enjoy.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/releases/201009295skrdh

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on September 30, 2010, 08:53:58 PM
Wow this is really good stuff! Congrats to a very deserving team! It is only September, but I won't be surprised if they didn't win it all. I predict an undefeated conference season for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 01, 2010, 05:05:46 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on September 30, 2010, 08:53:58 PM
Wow this is really good stuff! Congrats to a very deserving team! It is only September, but I won't be surprised is they didn't win it all. I predict an undefeated conference season for them.

Swat Dad,

They will be really good but I don't think they will run the conference schedule this year. They will be ambushed somewhere during the season.  There will be no "gimmes" in the Centennial Conference this year.  All victories will need to be earned.

The one player they lost (Brooks) was a very good and will be missed.  Has anyone heard about their recruits?  You Dips fans have really been quiet.  Maybe you don't know. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 02, 2010, 03:06:17 PM


Swat Dad -

Thanks for the kind compliments. However, I have to say that I agree with Gabriel. I don't think the Dips will win all 18 in-conference games, which is a very tough task! There is always a unexpected team that will jump up and bite you. You also can never tell when injuries or illnesses will impact a team. But, taking care of business and sweeping the Conference is the only way that the Dips can assure themselves of some home tournament games, in spite of the weakness of their non-conference schedule.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 02, 2010, 03:13:41 PM

Gabriel -

I do agree with you. Especially, given the familiarity that Conference teams have with each other! Most opposing coaches know GRob's preferred offensive style pretty well.

I also agree that Brooks will be missed. In addition to his scoring and tenacious defense, he did alot of little things for the squad and was one of its emotional leaders.

As far as recruits go, there are just alot of rumours. As far as I can tell, nobody outside of the team and the coaching staff is knowledgable about new recruits and they are not talking! GRob always plays this close to the vest and the Athletic Department always delays posting the roster. It is usually the last thing to go up on the website. That is why most of us Dip fans have been fairly quiet. However, I would expect us to get busy now that the season is less than seven weeks away.

I don't know about you, but I can't hardly wait for the season to begin. Regards,

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 02, 2010, 08:51:24 PM


Eric,

I agree.  Let the games begin.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 04, 2010, 07:39:30 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

The following is a link to an interesting article about a former assistant coach at F&M.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sixerville/76ers_Add_Tom_Sterner_As_A_Scout.html

It is good to see him continue to work in the NBA. However, he sure has his work cut out for him with the Sixers. Enjoy.

Regards to all. Bring on the DIII season!

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 04, 2010, 08:08:04 PM
Brooks was more than just a good defender, I feel he was the best Division III defender I have ever seen! Many a good conversation this past summer was how good Brooks was. I know that there are let downs and off nights, but I stand by my prediction they will run the table in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 05, 2010, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on October 04, 2010, 08:08:04 PM
Brooks was more than just a good defender, I feel he was the best Division III defender I have ever seen! Many a good conversation this past summer was how good Brooks was. I know that there are let downs and off nights, but I stand by my prediction they will run the table in the conference.

Swat Dad,

I agree that Brooks was more valuable to the team than many fans realize.  He made some absolutely amazing plays (defensively and rebounding) against Ursinus at F&M.  Milligan is a very good perimeter defender but Brooks was better.

Too hard to run the table.  Ursinus did it in 2003 when the league was still divided, not as balanced and there were only 13 conference games.  Ursinus did it again in 2008 but they were lucky a couple of times---especially against Swat at Swat when they came from far behind on the shoulders of Nick Shattuck.  Lee Wimberly's game planning will suck the life out of more than one team in games at Swat this year and we all know how tough it is to play on the road in the Centennial.  To beat the Dips this year, teams will have to control the boards and run.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on October 05, 2010, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on September 30, 2010, 08:53:58 PM
It is only September, but I won't be surprised if they didn't win it all. I predict an undefeated conference season for them.

I agree with Eric and Gabriel that the Dips won't run the table. A couple of losses in the conference would not surprise me. The CC is much stronger than it was when the Dips ran the conference table in 1993-94 and 1994-95. The double round-robin also makes it more difficult for teams to go unblemished, as Gabriel said.

F&M still doesn't have a reliable 3-point threat. They should be the CC favorite and highly ranked in the nation, but I think they need a perimeter threat to be a national title contender.

Quote from: Gabriel on October 05, 2010, 12:25:01 PM
I agree that Brooks was more valuable to the team than many fans realize.  He made some absolutely amazing plays (defensively and rebounding) against Ursinus at F&M.  Milligan is a very good perimeter defender but Brooks was better.

Brooks will be missed at both ends of the court. To me, the most exciting play of last season was his one-handed dunk off the opening tip in a very raucous Helfferich Hall that set the tone for the game. It will be interesting to see who becomes the emotional leader of the Dips this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 06, 2010, 08:38:36 AM
r.w.

I saw that dunk and agree but remember the over the backboard rebound in the game at F&M.  Wow!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 06, 2010, 04:29:28 PM

One final thought on how difficult it is to win-out in the Centennial Conference. The "Mule Barn" is a very tough place to play and more times than not has been very unkind to superior Diplomat squads that made it to the Final Four, even when both schools were in the old MAC division structure!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 06, 2010, 04:39:59 PM


Fellow Diplomat Fans -

For those of you who haven't seen this article on the Athletics page of the F&M website, the following is a link to an article on the Dips' trip overseas during late August.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/releases/20101001o9x59b

It is particularly intersting because the bulk of the content was written by Mike Baker and James McNally. Their writing shows that they are good students in addition to being very good athletes. Way to go guys! Thanks for sharing.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 08, 2010, 05:21:05 PM
Brooks will certainly be missed.  He was a very emotional player,  and it was infectious for the whole team.
There's a lot of chemistry with current seniors, and they are excited about the season.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement about the freshmen, but a few names are bouncing around as possible contributors off the bench.
The team seems to be looking forward to going back to St. Mary's and out to St. Louis.
Still trying to figure out how to get there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on October 14, 2010, 09:29:42 AM
Hello. It looks like F&M's New Years Event is set. Old Westbury (22 wins last year) vs. F&M (Elite 8 last year) plus Wesley (19 wins & an at large NCAA appearance) against Ithaca (20 wins & an ECAC title). Looks like a talented group.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 14, 2010, 05:21:16 PM
F&M's new recruits were posted today.
Link
http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/releases/20101014e1n0q1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 15, 2010, 04:15:25 PM

Reserved Seat -

Thanks for the advisory. All I can say is that it is about time that F&M put this information on the website! Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 15, 2010, 06:56:36 PM
This is the write-up of Swat's team this year:

http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/athletics/Men's%20Basketball/Men's%20Basketball%20Brochure%20for%20Web.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 23, 2010, 11:36:52 AM
Midnight Madness-now I'm really ready for the season to start.
Scrimmage not much more than a dunk fest.
More new faces than I expected. Some familiar faces missing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 23, 2010, 02:35:10 PM


Reserved Seat -

Which faces were missing? Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 23, 2010, 05:57:43 PM
Dontae Johnson
Justin Driver

Thought one of them would get some significant playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 05, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
Pre-season picks are out, no surprise as F&M is first and Gettysburg second. After those two, conference appears to be wide open.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 08, 2010, 07:37:22 PM
I know Brce4  related to it but click below for the total Centennial preseason poll
Click here: http://www.centennial.org/polls/winter11.html (http://www.centennial.org/polls/winter11.html)

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 08, 2010, 07:39:55 PM
Games start next Monday the 15th

November 15
Dickinson     at Washington and Lee
Washington at Wesley
Widener       at Swarthmore
Moravian      at Muhlenberg

November 16
Johns Hopkins at St. Mary's
McDaniel         at Frostburg
Cabrini            at Haverford

November 17
Stevenson at Washington
Arcadia      at Swarthmore

Enjoy

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 12, 2010, 08:53:37 AM
Four CC teams received at least one vote in the preseason Top 25, a possible first for this conference. This is should be an exciting year in the Centennial.

Can anyone remember a time when the CC had so many quality post players? There are at least four big men who could end up garnering serious postseason accolades if they play the way they're capable: James McNally and Andrew Powers (already All-Americans), Spencer Liddic (a strong rebounder who can score at will when he's on) and Jon Ward (who could easily be the Patriot League). Just some food for thought as we count down to next week...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 13, 2010, 08:42:46 PM
Do any of the Centennial Conference teams have a shot at the Pride of MD championship which starts up next week?  I know Hopkins travels to St. Marys and Mcdaniel is at frostburg and washington plays stevenson in the first round.  I dont think anybody except washington will even make it out of the first round with a win for the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on November 15, 2010, 08:35:09 AM
Help me out here so I don't have to scroll back in search of something.  I remember looking at the F&M schedule and seeing that they were going to St. Louis to take on Washington University.  Did that change?  And if so, why?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on November 15, 2010, 09:38:05 AM
have faith, purpleheart. strange things happen in the world of basketball. go centennial conference!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 15, 2010, 05:51:53 PM

My picks for tonight's games (if we are going to pick):

Washington & Lee over Dickinson

Washington over Wesley

Widener over Swarthmore

Muhlenberg over Moravian.

(Or should I say best early season guesses!)

Can't wait for Friday night! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on November 15, 2010, 09:28:48 PM
saw widener vs swat...fairly ugly game. swat up 12 at half, fell apart but held on to win by 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 15, 2010, 11:25:05 PM
Terrific win for Swat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 16, 2010, 06:38:40 PM
After getting killed last year by Widener, a real quality win for Swarthmore. I didn't think it was ugly at all. A 74-72 game isn't ugly, it was actually a good game that had a number of runs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 17, 2010, 12:30:34 AM
Diplomaniac1 why would you ever pick Washington College over Wesley?  There was no way they had a shot at beating Wesley at Wesley.  That place is really tough to play in and they were a tournament team last year.  I saw that Mcdaniel lost to Frostburg tonite, as well as Johns Hopkins losing to St. Mary's. that makes the CC 0-3 against the CAC so far with Washington playing Stevenson tomorrow.  Wash Coll should be able to win that game considering Stevenson only won 2 games last year and both of those were against Galluadet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 17, 2010, 07:49:43 AM
Swat beats Widener, Haverford plays Cabrini(picked to win their conference this year) to the wire and Hopkins plays at 11th ranked St. Mary's and is in it to the end. looks like a very competitive CC this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on November 17, 2010, 12:53:25 PM
This F&M fan is ready for the new season.  What are your predictions?  I predict that I may be sitting in the Dipzone this Saturday night for F&M's 2nd game. 

Crambam- I do not think that F&M ever had Wash U on the schedule.  I think they were just playing a few games in St. Louis at their campus.  Anybody else have info on this?

See everyone at the Final Four!

When are we hearing from Lusty Larry?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2010, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: docmarc on November 17, 2010, 12:53:25 PM
Crambam- I do not think that F&M ever had Wash U on the schedule.  I think they were just playing a few games in St. Louis at their campus.  Anybody else have info on this?

Wash U sched has F&M playing CMS, Wash U playing Tsinghua and then exchanging opponents the next day, but not playing each other.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2010, 06:13:26 PM
My understanding is that Robinson wanted to give Mike Baker's parents an opportunity to see him play.  Mike's from Missouri.  F&M was never scheduled to play Washington U.  F&M's schedule is quite challenging this year.  Fans who thought F&M's was weak in the past wouldn't have that complaint this year.  I saw that CMS got a big win this week.
Unfortunately, it appears that the games in St. Louis will stop my continuous streak.  I was planning on going, but recent surgery changed those plans.
I'll be in my 'reserved seat' by 3:30 tomorrow.
Go Dips. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 18, 2010, 06:19:09 PM
Nice write up on the Swarthmore game at it's own web page:
http://www.swarthmoreathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20101117tz7oul

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 20, 2010, 10:46:27 AM
F&M easily dominated an over-matched opponent.  A balanced scoring attacking saw 5 players in double figures and several close.  F&M's big men controlled the boards over their under-sized opponents.(Baker 9 and Gyokchyan 8)  Tolliver started 4/4 from the three, but missed his last three.  Milligan dealt out 8 assists.  Elmira should be a scrappier opponent tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 21, 2010, 07:40:24 AM
Swat starts the season 3-1 and misses out on the first 4-0 start in program history. Just to show how big three wins are, all you have to do is go back two seasons and that was the win total for the whole year! Swat was picked by a large margin to finish last in the league, I don't see that happening at this point. A much improved team this year that will win a few games in the conference this year (I hope).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 21, 2010, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 20, 2010, 10:46:27 AM
F&M easily dominated an over-matched opponent.  A balanced scoring attacking saw 5 players in double figures and several close.  F&M's big men controlled the boards over their under-sized opponents.(Baker 9 and Gyokchyan 8)  Tolliver started 4/4 from the three, but missed his last three.  Milligan dealt out 8 assists.  Elmira should be a scrappier opponent tonight.

I just saw the results of the Elmira game and you guys killed them! I will say it has now made my job easier up here (near Elmira) to prove how good the Centennial Conference is. I have been saying for two years that it is better than my area (Elmira, Ithaca, Cortland, Hamilton,ect.) Congrats and I will stand by my prediction that you guys will go through the league undefeated this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 21, 2010, 02:15:34 PM
F&M rolled to another victory over another over-matched opponent.  F&M's big two had terrific night's as both McNally and Milligan put up big numbers.  The rest of the team complimented nicely with Baker, Tolliver, Beckford, and Gyokchyan playing solid defense and contributing timely offense.  Brewer could be a key to F&M's success this year, and so far he has more than adequately filled the role as the first guard off the bench.  Henry played decently coming off the bench.  McCormick got a couple good looks at the basket, and Early looked good under the basket(both freshmen)
F&M plays Washington on Tuesday and then St. Mary's on the road next Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on November 22, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
congrats to swat on a strong beginning to their season. i agree completely that swat will get wins this season, but feel that F&M will not run the table although they are clearly the strongest team in the conference given the personnel, time played together and trips to the tournament. somehow i believe someone will steal at least one game from them. we shall see. the conference seems unpredictable this year, as usual.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 22, 2010, 05:56:54 PM

Folks -

If there is any interest in a good-natured Pick-Ems contest, below is the list of games through the end of the month (11/30) as shown on the Conference website:

Tuesday, November 23
McDaniel @ Ursinus
Gettysburg @ Muhlenberg
Wahington @ F&M
Swarthmore @ Dickinson
Johns Hoplins @ Haverford

Saturday, November 27
F&M @ St. Mary's

Sunday, November 28
York @ Gettysburg
McDaniel @ Lebanon Valley
Eastern @ Ursinus

Monday, November 29
Catholic @ Haverford
Moravian@ Swarthmore
Kings @ Muhlenberg
Dickinson @ Juniata

All picks will be due prior to the start of the games on the dates listed. Enjoy. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 22, 2010, 06:50:51 PM
Tuesday, November 23
Ursinus
Gettysburg
F&M
Swarthmore
Haverford

Saturday, November 27
St. Mary's

Sunday, November 28
Gettysburg
Lebanon Valley
Ursinus

Monday, November 29
Catholic
Moravian
Muhlenberg
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 23, 2010, 09:51:20 AM
Eric,

Picks:

11/23
McDaniel
Gettysburg
F&M
Swat
Haverford

11/27
St Marys

11/28
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Eastern

11/29
Catholic
Swat
Muhlenberg
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 23, 2010, 01:10:36 PM
Ursinus
Gettysburg
F&M
Dickinson
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 23, 2010, 06:11:40 PM

Folks -

Here are my picks for tonight and Saturday night:

Ursinus
Muhlenberg
F&M
Swarthmore
Haverford

F&M (Saturday)

I will be at Mayser Center later this evening. Good luck to all. Regards.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 24, 2010, 08:26:12 AM
4/5 last night--decent start--I guess I bought into the preseason Swarthmore hype.
F&M played well last night.  After a slow start, McNally turned it on to play a good game.  Milligan had another solid night including a good defensive night on Breslin.  The Shoremen never gave up, but were over-matched at most positions.  Hayk had another decent game off the bench, and my key to F&M's success, Max Brewer, played a complete game on both sides of the court.  Foul shooting could still be an Achilles heel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 24, 2010, 03:49:54 PM

Folks -

Are any Diplomat fans thinking of making the trip to the F&M game at St. Mary's this Saturday? If so, please get in touch with me through this site. I am considering traveling to the game, but I don't want to make the lengthy trip alone. Accordingly, I could be presuaded to drive to the game or split the gas as a passenger in someone else's vehicle. Please advise. Thanks.

Happy Thanksgiving to all! Drive safely if traveling. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 25, 2010, 09:52:46 AM
diplomaniac1,
Haven't decided what to do yet.  I was definitely going to go until I had more complications from my surgery.
An 8-hour trip doesn't sound like the smartest thing to  do.  If I go, it will be a last minute decision.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 26, 2010, 08:30:52 PM
diplomaniac1,
Would our routes to St. Mary's overlap in any way that I would be able to meet you somewhere?
reserved seat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 27, 2010, 09:57:25 PM
F&M struggled to one of the worst halves ever played by F&M.  F&M used up precious time trying to get the ball up court against St. Mary's trapping full-court press.  Turnovers and numerous three point shoots allowed St. Mary's to coast to a 60-31 halftime advantage.  St. Mary's seemed more aggressive and quicker.  Hopefully, part of the disadvantage was the long ride to court. St. Mary's had more depth and height and took advantage of both. St. Mary's led the rebounding 37-29 even though F&M closed the gap in the second half.  St. Mary's bench outscored F&M's 35-7.
F&M came out more intense in the second half but it was way to late.  Even when F&M appeared to change the momentum, St. Mary's would hit a big three(8 for 15).  F&M struggled from the three(3 for 14)  F&M shot 44% for the game to St. Mary's 59%.
F&M wasn't bad from the line but missed some key foul shots during their second half effort.
One lose--hopefully one lesson learned.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 28, 2010, 02:08:33 PM

Folks -

Here are my picks for today:

Gettysburg
LVC
Ursinus

Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 28, 2010, 02:10:48 PM

Reserved Seat -

Thanks for the offer. I decided to pass on the long trek to St. Mary's. Since I just changed jobs and am now starting to get packed for a move, it seemed a better use of time than eight hours round trip. Quite frankly, I am gld that I didn't see the debacle.
Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: purpleheart22 on November 28, 2010, 08:24:11 PM
Saw F&M got a legit whooping last night down at St Marys.  giving up 60 points in the first half and being down 29 was probably not the game plan for Coach Robinson.  Mcnally was neutralized and they just didnt look like they were ready to play from the box score.  St Marys had all year to think about and prepare for the game considering F&M beat St Marys twice last year and put SMC out of the NCAAs last year in the sweet 16. Must have been a terrible 5 hour ride back home to Amish Town for Robinson and company.  CAC has been beating CC teams all year except for Gettysburg beating York today.  CAC may be the better conference top to bottom now since they lost Galluadet and added Frostburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 29, 2010, 02:42:49 PM
Fortunately, the ride was less than 4 hours.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2010, 07:55:59 PM

Folks -

Here are my picks for tonight's games:

Catholic
Swarthmore
Muhlenberg
Dickinson

Regards to all.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2010, 07:57:40 PM

Reserved Seat -

At what supersonic speed were you traveling? I assume there were no leg-stretching or "call of nature "stops included on your trip!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on November 29, 2010, 11:12:14 PM
not very active on here lately..u guys out there? is it the basketball or is it because the conference isn't in gear yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 30, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
Picks for this week

12/1
McDaniel---always tough at home
Gettysburg---at home and one of the top two teams in the league
Ursinus---if they play better defense and rebound the ball they could win.  So far they have     not done well defending or rebounding.  Young Bears need to mature in a hurry.
Muhlenberg---Swat has improved this year but tough to win in the barn
Washington---home court advantage but game should be close

12/4
Gettysburg---on the road but too talented for the Fords
JHU---home court advantate against an improved Dickinson team
Ursinus---tough to win at Swat but will tough it out in a close gam
Muhlenberg---on the road at Washington--always tough at home
F&M---a guess--- since I know nothing about their opponent at Wash U

Most of the teams seem to be struggling right now but the conference will be much more competitive in February. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 30, 2010, 08:50:52 PM
McDaniel at home too much for devils
F&M tough road venue at Ursinus but hard to pick against them
Muhlenberg again at home against ever improving Swat
Gettysburg at home
Haverford just might be tough enough to win in Chestertown
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 30, 2010, 10:05:31 PM

Folks -

Here are the Pick-Em games for tomorrow night:

Dickinson @ McDaniel
JHU @ Gettysburg
F&M @ Ursinus
Swarthmore @ Muhlenberg
Haverford@ Washington

Selections are due by game time. Enjoy. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on November 30, 2010, 11:37:39 PM
mcdaniel
gettysburg
f&m
muhlenberg
haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 01, 2010, 11:47:32 AM

Folks -

Here are my selections for this evening's Centennial Conference games:

McDaniel
Gettysburg
F&M
Muhlenberg
Haverford

Good Luck to all! I hope to make the trip to Collegeville this evening to see the Diplomats take on Ursinus.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2010, 12:32:20 PM
Finally more activity on the board.

Picks
McDaniel--scrappy at home
Gettysburg-should have enough to win easily
F&M--need a win after Saturday's debacle
Muhlenberg--tough to win Allentown
Washington--home should be enough of an advantage
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 02, 2010, 09:34:34 AM
After a dreadful first half, F&M fought back in the second half to pull out a win against Ursinus.
Ursinus started strong as Ward and Janowski used their height and shooting to get the Bears off to a dominate start.  Ursinus built a 14-point lead as the first period was coming to a close, but a flurry of points cut the lead to 7 as the teams went to the locker room.
At the start of the second period, F&M quickly closed the gap and held on win by 9(78-68)
McNally was held scoreless in the first period, but came back for 16 in the second half. Baker and Gyokchyan struggled with foul trouble trying to keep Ward off the boards.  Milligan had difficulty penetrating in the first half.
A penetration drive on the last possession of the first half netted 2 points to cut the margin to 7.
Beckford played one of his best games since putting on an F&M uniform.  He finished with 18 points and 7 rebounds.
Foul shooting continues to cause the fans to look away.  F&M(13/24)  Ursinus(18/22)
Ursinus's shooting was the 3-point arc was lacking(5/18) despite some early hits.
Unfortunately, my streak of continuous games ends tomorrow as F&M travels to St. Louis for 2 games this weekend.  The streak was over 50 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 02, 2010, 10:33:46 AM
Reserved Seat,

Good summary.  Thanks.  I could not make it to the game but will see the Bears next week.
The Bears are young and will make mistakes.  They are improving each week after a disastrous start at the Wesleyan Tip Off tournament. 

They dress only eleven players and six of them are freshmen and sophomores.  Losing 6'7" Mike Walther before the season started was a major loss.  The three freshmen are good and will only  get better.  Jess Krasna is really good.  He will have to adjust to the defensive pressure at the collegiate level.  He has good court sense and will adjust---and will be a force at point guard for the next four years.  Ryan Adams will be good as well---maybe not so much this year as a freshman---but likely a starter after that.  At 6'6" he gives the Bears some length at the 3 and can shoot the ball with confidence.  Right now they have three 5'11" guards as starters which could be a problem against taller teams.  Adams may have to play more.

Jon Ward is good now as a sophomore.  Kevin Janowski is gaining confidence and starting to play like he is 6"8".  He needs to bring it every game---consistently.  He can hit the three.  The Bears will be much better in February.  I just hope they are still in contention at that time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2010, 07:11:25 PM

Folks -

Here are the pick-em standings through and including last night's games:


NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
BRCE4                   3 – 2    8 – 2    .800
Reserved Seat   4 – 1   14 – 4    .778
Diplomaniac1   3 – 2    11 – 7    .611
HighHoops   3 – 2    3 – 2    .600
Gabriel                   3 – 2    10 – 8    .556
         
I will post the games for this weekend sometime tomorrow morning. Good luck to all. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2010, 09:31:29 PM
Reserved seat,
  F&M listed for video @  5 Fri/Sat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 03, 2010, 10:37:21 AM

Folks -

Here are the Pick-Em games for today (12/3) and tomorrow (12/4). All selections are due by game time.

Friday 12/3

Claremont M-S vs. F&M @ Washington University (St. Louis)

Saturday 12/4

Gettysburg @ Haverford
Dickinson @ Johns Hopkins
Ursinus @ Swarthmore
Muhlenberg @ Washington
F&M vs. Tsinghua University (China) @ Washington University (St. Louis)

Enjoy. Regards.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 03, 2010, 11:52:51 AM

Folks -

Here are my picks for the games involving Centennial Conference teams today and tomorrow:

Today
F&M over Claremont M-S

Tomorrow
Gettysburg over Haverford
Johns Hopkins over Dickinson
Ursinus over Swarthmore
Washington College over Muhlenberg
F&M over Tsinghua U

To those traveling to the games - safe travels. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 03, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
12/3  F&M
12/4
     In what I am sure will come back to haunt me I'm picking the 4 road teams to win:
Gettysburg
Ursinus
Dickinson
Muhlenberg and
F&M at a neutral site
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 03, 2010, 07:01:02 PM
Wow is it painful to watch F&M shoot free throws. The Wash U announcer keep saying how impressed he was with the Dips & that they didn't have an apparent Achilles Heel. The charity stripe is their obvious hole (perhaps consistent 3-point shooting or bench point production are also possible issues). Baker has got to wake up or I may have call for Gyokchyan to take his time.
I predict the Dips will lose 2 or 3 needless games this year because of poor free throw performance. Be all this, congrrats to Dips on beating a quality team far from home, it's a shame they can't play Wash U & are instead stuck with an exhibition game that only leaves me hoping nobody gets hurt during the sideshow with the Chinese team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 03, 2010, 07:37:23 PM
D.B., couldn't have said it better. That was no work of art. FT shooting will hurt the Dips at some point, as it did a couple times last year. Still, a good win over a resilient CMS team after a nice road win at Ursinus on Wednesday night.

Beckford's 3-point shooting over the past two games has impressed me.

Looking forward to seeing what kind of style Tsinghua plays, and how the Dips match up with them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 04, 2010, 05:52:59 PM
Huge win for Swarthmore against Ursinus today! Well played game with Ursinus going to a box and one and some big shots hit down the stretch by Carmichael and Kober who were left alone to shoot all day. Swarthmore is steadily getting better with big contributions from this year's freshman class. I think they may actually start three freshmen and two sophomores at some point this year. This should be a very interesting year in the conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on December 04, 2010, 11:47:07 PM
congrats to swat.( i heard ursinus played a triangle and 2 against swat; not a box and one). haverford also had a nice team win against gettysburg. i imagine those 2 outcomes are surprising some folks. the conference is all upside down at this point...makes it interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 05, 2010, 07:19:37 AM
It actually was a triangle and two, you are correct. I think they put the other one on a freshman who hasn't scored much and got his first start. I originally thought it was a triangle and two but his defender really played a ton of help defense, that is why I then thought it was a box and one. I am shocked at the number of junk defenses I have seen at the college level. I thought that was only high school stuff.

I think that F&M is the clear frontrunner with everyone else beatable especially when playing on the road. This should make for a really fun year. Haverford is the surprise team of the year I think and may finish as high as third in the conference (although I am picking forth).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on December 05, 2010, 09:58:26 AM
true, swat dad,about some use of junk defenses here and there, but not often. when you have a team like swat that heavily relies on one kid to score, a box isn't a bad idea. (not sure why ursinus played a triangle; maybe they thought the freshman would turn it over alot with pressure). i think swat has a top scorer in the league and then nobody else on the top 25 list (unusual), so a box is a decent gamble. swat fights hard to get their wins. they are a spoiler team.still early... i agree about F&M and then everybody else, though i do think gettysburg is the second best team in the league, regardless of how it all ends up.( it's tough to beat a dominant point guard and big man combination and F&M certainly has that.) this board is pretty quiet....where are all the centennial basketball people?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2010, 12:37:36 PM
My picks for this week.

12/6
Haverford over Moravian---could go either way but Fords tough at home.

12/7
JHU over McDaniel---again, the home team prevails

12/8
Swat over Washington---Garnet tough at home
F&M over Gettysburg---tough match up for F&M but I go with the home court
Dickinson over Muhlenberg---another tough call but home team gets the nod
Ursinus over Haverford---I am betting that Hilton emerges from his season long shooting funk.  He is too good to be shooting blanks.

12/11
McDaniel over Washington----tough at home
F&M over Haverford---Fords will be tough but home court  gives advantage to Dips
Gettysburg over Catholic---go with the CC
Ursinus over Dickinson---need 40 minutes of smart ball.  Hilton and Ward need to lead and will.

Go Patriots!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2010, 04:17:31 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on December 05, 2010, 07:19:37 AM
It actually was a triangle and two, you are correct. I think they put the other one on a freshman who hasn't scored much and got his first start. I originally thought it was a triangle and two but his defender really played a ton of help defense, that is why I then thought it was a box and one. I am shocked at the number of junk defenses I have seen at the college level. I thought that was only high school stuff.

I think that F&M is the clear frontrunner with everyone else beatable especially when playing on the road. This should make for a really fun year. Haverford is the surprise team of the year I think and may finish as high as third in the conference (although I am picking forth).

Swat Dad,

I'm sure you remember that Swat played a triangle & two against Ursinus last year.  Coach Wimberly has long used gimmicks because he has not had the talent to match up with most other teams.  This year seems to be an exception.  Kevin Small typically does not use gimmicks and does not like to play zone at all.  This year,  Ursinus is struggling defensively against quick players as they clearly lack defensive quickness and experience.

Regarding junk defenses, remember this is D III basketball----not that far removed from the quality of good high school basketball.  Don't get me wrong, I love D III sports because I am a fan of the true student athlete.  However, most of the kids in D III are not as good athletically as the players in D I/D II.  They cannot be expected to execute the same kind of offensive and defensive plays as the upper divisions.  The successful D III teams do what they do very well, they are fundamentally sound and execute.  They try not to over complicate it offensively or defensively.  A classic example is Washington U (St Louis) year in and year out.

Agree that F&M is the team to beat but doubt that they will run the table.  What separates F&M from the rest is experience and defense.  Although they lost their best defender in Brooks, they are still much better than the rest defensively. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2010, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on December 06, 2010, 04:17:31 PM
Regarding junk defenses, remember this is D III basketball----not that far removed from the quality of good high school basketball.  Don't get me wrong, I love D III sports because I am a fan of the true student athlete.  However, most of the kids in D III are not as good athletically as the players in D I/D II.  They cannot be expected to execute the same kind of offensive and defensive plays as the upper divisions.

With all due respect, bull. D-III kids lack in size and speed but they're not dumber by basketball standards at all.

The statement of yours that I bolded I agree with even less, but that's another story. D-III basketball is far, far closer to D-I than it is to high school.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 06, 2010, 06:38:14 PM

My pick for tonight:

Haverford over Moravian.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 06, 2010, 07:01:38 PM
I remember the triangle and two used last year. I was just trying to make the point that at the college level you don't see much junk defenses. I have watched DIII basketball for over 30 years and had never seen it played until last year.  I however, strongly disagree with you about DIII hoop being like high school. It isn't on the same planet and DIII is closer to DI than high school. I think there will be many nights this year we are all scratching our heads saying we never saw that loss/win coming. =)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 07, 2010, 08:24:33 AM
With all due respect, bull. D-III kids lack in size and speed but they're not dumber by basketball standards at all.

The statement of yours that I bolded I agree with even less, but that's another story. D-III basketball is far, far closer to D-I than it is to high school.
 

Pat,

I never said the kids were "dumber", indeed the kids I have met are impressive without exception.  I said that they lack the athletic talent of most D I players.  I stick with that as a general observation.  There is a difference between knowing what you want to do and being able to do it.

Regarding the comparison of D III to high school or D I, I disagree with you and that is just a matter of opinion, isn't it?  At least we stimulated some discussion and maybe others will weigh in.

"Bull"

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 07, 2010, 09:00:47 AM

Folks -

Here is the listing of games for the Pick-Ems through this Saturday's (12/11) games as follows:

Tuesday, December 7
McDaniel @ Johns Hopkins

Wednesday, December 8
Washington College @ Swarthmore
Gettysburg @ F&M
Muhlenberg @ Dickinson
Haverford @ Ursinus

Saturday, December 11
Haverford @ F&M
Gettysburg @ Catholic
Ursinus @ Dickinson

All selections are due by game time each day. Good luck. Enjoy! Regards to all.

Eric

With all this cold wind here in Lancaster, it sure feels like Winter is here to stay!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2010, 01:07:31 PM
Gabriel - I couldn't disagree with you more either... you use an athletic comparison to make a intellectual comment.

Quote from: Gabriel on December 06, 2010, 04:17:31 PM
However, most of the kids in D III are not as good athletically as the players in D I/D II.  They cannot be expected to execute the same kind of offensive and defensive plays as the upper divisions.  The successful D III teams do what they do very well, they are fundamentally sound and execute.  They try not to over complicate it offensively or defensively.  A classic example is Washington U (St Louis) year in and year out.

You seem to actually contradict yourself. You say that they can't "execute the same kind of offensive and defensive plays as in the upper divisions" while also saying they are "fundamentally sound and execute."

Executing an offense or defense is more about thinking it through then it is doing it athletically. You have to know where you are going, what you are doing, and what to do when you get there. Yes, being a step faster or a few inches taller helps in some manners, but if someone doesn't have a good basketball IQ their athletic ability or advantage really isn't going to matter one bit.

And I am sure many coaches in Division III would argue their play sets can be just as complex as an upper level team and many plays I know come from Division I programs.

I would actually challenge that some of the better institutions in Division III have offensive and defensive sets that would challenge many D1 in terms of on-paper execution and complexity. Heck, I have many times seen some challenging defenses in the Mid-Atlantic. And I know I have seen offensive sets that rival plays from Top 25 D1 basketball programs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 07, 2010, 04:26:14 PM

Folks -

My pick for tonight's games is Johns Hopkins over McDaniel at Goldfarb in Baltimore.
Regards.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 07, 2010, 04:43:45 PM

Folks -

The "Pick-Ems" standings through and including last night's games is shown below:

NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
Reserved Seat   0 – 0   14 – 4    .778
BRCE4   2 – 3    10 – 5    .667
Diplomaniac1   5 – 2    16 – 9    .640
HighHoops   0 – 0    3 – 2    .600
Gabriel   3 – 3    13 – 11    .542
         
Let me know if there are any inaccuracies. Otherwise, enjoy the rest of this week's games. Good luck! Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 07, 2010, 06:47:39 PM
Oops, I missed a couple chances to make my picks.
Jumping back on board.

Tuesday, December 7
Johns Hopkins--toss up--going with home team

Wednesday, December 8
Washington College
F&M
Dickinson
Ursinus

Saturday, December 11
F&M
Catholic--might regret this pick
Ursinus

F&M will have difficulty going undefeated unless they can improve on their foul shooting, hit a few more threes, and get some more production from the bench.  Freshman Jon Salandra looked good against Tsinghua.  Beckford has been solid in a starting role.  Brewer has struggled a little in the last few games, but is still a key player for F&M to have success this year.  Also, F&M has to cut down on the long passes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 07, 2010, 07:30:23 PM
I like Washington over Swat shoremen defend well and may be too scrappy for Garnet
F&M over Gettysburg
Muhlenberg over Dickinson mules need it mor
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 07, 2010, 07:33:34 PM
Washington over Swat scrappy shoremen win with defense
Ursinus over Haverford, waiting for Ursinus to explode
F&M over Gettysburg Should be a great game
Muhlenberg over Dickinson Mules can't afford to drop to 1-3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on December 08, 2010, 01:47:37 AM
washington over swat
haverford over ursinus
f&m over gettysburg
muhlenberg over dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 08, 2010, 04:25:56 PM

Here are my selections for tonight's games:

Swarthmore over Washington
F&M over Gettysburg
Muhlenberg over Dickinson
Ursinus over haverford

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 09, 2010, 04:30:58 PM
I was correct that Ursinus was due for an explosion what surprised me was that Haverford was able to put up 108
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on December 10, 2010, 12:45:41 PM
wild game...hilton exploded but so did a couple of the fords!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 11, 2010, 11:20:08 AM

Folks -

Earlier this week, I missed posting one of today's games for the "Pick-Ems" group. It is as follows:

Washington College @ McDaniel

Sorry about that ommission. All selections for this games as well as the other three games are due by game time. Good luck.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 11, 2010, 11:22:12 AM

Fellow Prognosticators -

Here are my selections for this afternoon's games:

Washington College over McDaniel
F&M over Haverford
Gettysburg over Catholic
Ursinus over Dickinson

Good luck! Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on December 12, 2010, 07:58:56 PM
If F&M does not lose through January, G Robinson will get his 800th win on Jan 29th at Haverford!  When do you think the 800th happens??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on December 12, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
the 800th win will not happen at haverford...that is for sure
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 13, 2010, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: docmarc on December 12, 2010, 07:58:56 PM
If F&M does not lose through January, G Robinson will get his 800th win on Jan 29th at Haverford!  When do you think the 800th happens??

I think F&M loses at least one game before then. Haverford is on the tail end of a 6-out-of-7 stretch of games on the road, and none of those gyms (McDaniel, Muhlenberg, etc.) will be cakewalks.

The Dips should just focus on the next game, and the rest will take care of itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on December 13, 2010, 12:18:14 PM
cakewalks, no, but haverford looks pretty good this year (though they didn't play well against F&M). the conference is upside down (except F&M) which is interesting and makes for a good race for playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on December 13, 2010, 04:40:49 PM
I too am optimistic about Haverford especially after the Gettysburg and Ursinus wins. Of course, I am very biased. Haverford teams tend to start slowly. The past 7 years, their record before winter break is a woeful 17-35 (excluding the division I games and 16-19 in the conference) , but 64-56 after (including the 4 post season appearances; 52-43 in conference). They are 5-5 this year which is an unusually good start (none of the past seven year starts are this good).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 13, 2010, 07:12:16 PM

Folks -

The "Pick-Ems" standings through and including the most recent weekend's games (12/7 - 12/11) is shown below:

NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
Reserved Seat   4 – 4   18 – 8    .692
HighHoops   3 – 1    6 – 3    .667
BRCE4   2 – 2    12 – 7    .632
Diplomaniac1   2 – 7    18 – 16    .629
Gabriel   4 – 5    17 – 16    .515
         
It looks like most of us (myself included) could use some new crystall balls! It just goes to show the unpredictability and uncertainty in the Conference right now early in the season. I didn't even have 25% of the recent games correctly picked.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 13, 2010, 07:30:29 PM


Fellow Centennial Conference Fans and Prognosticators -

As near as I can tell, the following is a listing of all of the remaining games in 2010 involving teams from the Centennial Conference:

Saturday, December 18
Washington College @ Hood College

Sunday, December 19
Lycoming @ Dickinson
Alvernia @ McDaniel

Tuesday, December 21
Washington College @ Maryland-Eastern Shore

Tuesday, December 28
Dickinson @ Radford

Wednesday, December 29
Ursinus vs. Medialle (neutral court at Hampden-Sydney Tournament)
Gettysburg vs. Illinois-Weslyan (neutral court at Cal-Lutheran Tournament)

Thursday, December 30
Averett vs. Johns Hopkins (neutral court at Randolph Macon Tournament)

Friday, December 31
Johns Hopkins vs. Randolph Macon (at Randolph Macon Tournament)

I will post the December 30th games involving Gettysburg and Usinus at a later date after their opponents have been determined. The Ursinus game is at the Hampden-Sydney Tournament and the Geettysburg game is at the Cal-Lutheran Tournament. Both games should be neutral court games.

All selections are due by game time on the respective days of the games. I probably will not post any new standings until after january 1, so as to incorporate all of the above games.

Good luck and enjoy. Best wishes for the holidays. Travel safely. Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 15, 2010, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: oldford on December 13, 2010, 04:40:49 PM
I too am optimistic about Haverford especially after the Gettysburg and Ursinus wins. Of course, I am very biased. Haverford teams tend to start slowly. The past 7 years, their record before winter break is a woeful 17-35 (excluding the division I games and 16-19 in the conference) , but 64-56 after (including the 4 post season appearances; 52-43 in conference). They are 5-5 this year which is an unusually good start (none of the past seven year starts are this good).

Oldford,

I saw the Haverford/Ursinus game.  The Fords are really good, they defend well and take the ball to the hoop.  That night they shot very well too and their 37 foul shots made in 47 attempts is an indicator of how aggressive they are.  They will finish in the top five I think.  Continue to be optimistic---you have a reason to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 16, 2010, 10:20:13 PM
Wild guesses:
Saturday, December 18
Hood College

Sunday, December 19
Lycoming
Alvernia

Tuesday, December 21
Washington College

Tuesday, December 28
Radford

Wednesday, December 29
Medialle (neutral court at Hampden-Sydney Tournament)
Illinois-Weslyan


Thursday, December 30
Averett

Friday, December 31
Randolph Macon
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 17, 2010, 06:43:19 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for this weekend's games:

December 18
Hood College over Washington College

December 19
Dickinson over Lycoming
Alvernia over McDaniel

December 21
Washington College over Maryland Eastern-Shore

Like Reserved Seat, I look at these as "shots in the dark" at best. Happy Holidays. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 18, 2010, 09:48:51 AM
Rs, Eric. Isn't Maryland Eastern Shore D1.  Also for those that picked Dickinson over Lycoming. I just doubt that will happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: KSCfan on December 22, 2010, 10:12:17 AM
Hello Centennial Conference posters-  I came on over from the New England Little East boards.  I am Keene State college fan and over the holiday break they are going to John Hopkins to play in some tournament done there.  Being from NE i never really get a chance to see teams of another region play.  Keene is playing in the John Hopkins Holiday Tournament against Hopkins in the first game and against Messiah/Stockton in the second game.  Does anyone have some players to watch on Hopkins.  I looked at their stats but somtimes that doesnt tell the story of how players are, or what kind of team hopkins is.  basically hoping for a scout on what i am going to see out of hopkins. 

Keene is young and athletic.  They like to get up and down the court and thier best ball is when the game is moving at a fast transition pace.  They have some size in the frontcourt, but thier true strength is moving the ball.  D'amours is a player to watch as he is quick, and can score off the dribble.  Martin and Marino are prob the two best scores and hunter is good down low.  THanks in advance for any info you guys can give me
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 23, 2010, 05:40:18 PM

Folks -

Here are my guess for the games of next week:

12/28 - Radford over Dickinson

12/29 - Medaille over Ursinus
            Illinois-Weslyan over Gettysburg

12/30 - Johns Hopkins over Averett

12/31 - Radolph-Macon over Johns Hopkins.

Merry Christmas to all. Travel safely if traveling. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 24, 2010, 06:05:49 PM
Looks bleak for the CC until the new year arrives. Only perhaps Ursinus could help CC from being swept. I keep overestimating Ursinus, I just can't believe they aren't better than they've shown so far. Medaille hasn't really beaten anyone good with a weak schedule, their best game was a close loss to a decent PS-Beherend team. Averett should comfortably beat JHU & RMC will abuse the Blue Jays. G-burg is a good team that has a lethal schedule so far (next a CCIW powerhouse), they should be no worse than 2nd-3d place in the CC by the end. The Devils now try a D1 team after getting spanked by a decent MAC team, yikes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on December 30, 2010, 09:39:07 AM
looking forward to the rest of the CC season....look like alot is up for grabs!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on December 31, 2010, 08:07:08 AM
anybody know why zurn and poarch didnt play for gettysburg out in cali?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 01, 2011, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: highhoops on December 31, 2010, 08:07:08 AM
anybody know why zurn and poarch didnt play for gettysburg out in cali?

I traveled out to southern California to follow Illinois Wesleyan in the Cal Lutheran tournament.  I was at both Gettysburg games (vs IWU and vs Hobart). 

After the IWU/Gettysburg game, one of the IWU coaches said something like, "I guess Gettysburg had two kids who just decided to not come back at the break."  The two you mention above are probably the ones.  I have no idea if this information is correct, but I assume the IWU assistant coach I spoke to got the information directly from a Gettysburg coach.

By the way, 6-6 C Andrew Powers is a great player.  I follow the CCIW, which is a very good D3 league, and Powers would, without question, be a 1st Team all-CCIW player.  He is just so "long" and knows how to use his body well on both ends of the floor.  A big-time D3 stud.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 02, 2011, 12:26:03 AM
titan,
are you saying they  (zurn and poarch) just didn't want to go on the trip or did they leave the team?  sounds unusual...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 02, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
This does sound unusual as most players can't wait for the chance to go on a trip to play.

On another note, Hobart beating Gettysburg is a huge win for that program. Hobart's coach (I think) is in his third year and has done a tremendous job with that program. He is a class act who will be at the next level very soon. I predict Cornell within five years. He is an incredible recruiter and a great guy!

If anyone has any info on these two players, please let us know as this changes Gettysburg team quite a bit.

Happy New Year everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2011, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on January 02, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
.If anyone has any info on these two players, please let us know as this changes Gettysburg team quite a bit.

.

   I spoke with someone tonite on the Gettysburg campus about the 2 players and was told that the situation is still up in the air, at this time. For privacy reasons, I didn't pursue what type of situation it was(academic, basketball, injury,personal, etc.)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 03, 2011, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 02, 2011, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on January 02, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
If anyone has any info on these two players, please let us know as this changes Gettysburg team quite a bit.

I spoke with someone tonite on the Gettysburg campus about the 2 players and was told that the situation is still up in the air, at this time. For privacy reasons, I didn't pursue what type of situation it was(academic, basketball, injury,personal, etc.)

Poarch and Zurn are still listed on the Gettysburg basketball roster. Whatever the reasons for their absence, here's hoping they return to the court. In what has been a down year for the CC as a whole, it would be a shame for one of the conference's better teams to lose two of its top three scorers.

On another note, congrats to Georgio Milligan on reaching 1,000 career points last night. According to the F&M website, Jan. 2 was also the day last year when James McNally reached 1,000. If they keep up this pace, Milligan and McNally could end up in the top two places on the F&M scoring list.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2011, 10:43:27 PM
McNally and Milligan both put up over 30 in a loss to a good Ithaca team.
Final score 107-97.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 04, 2011, 09:35:28 AM
congrats to milligan on 1,000 points and to the fords on one of the few out of conference wins recently. go centennial!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on January 04, 2011, 01:53:10 PM
I just saw today on their website that both Poarch and Zurn are no longer on the Gettysburg roster...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 04, 2011, 08:47:23 PM
if they are gone that is really too bad for gettysburg and the league...they are good players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 08, 2011, 01:15:32 PM
Picks of Saturday 1/8/2011

Haverford over Dickinson----Fords are good and they are at home
Ursinus over JHU---think the Bears improved defense will be enough
Gettysburg over WC----home court even with the loss of two key players
Muhlenberg over McDaniel---home court and Lidic should be enough
F&M over Swat---no team is more familiar with their home court than the Dips
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2011, 07:40:07 PM
In case anyone missed it... Coach Bill Nelson won his 500th game earlier this week... congrats to a pretty good coach at Johns Hopkins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 08, 2011, 08:14:23 PM
Are we still doing picks?
F&M toyed with Swarthmore.  Baker and Tolliver played great games.  Baker and McNally are both closing in on landmarks.  Baker and McNally need 40+ points for 1,000 and the school record respectfully.  Unfortunately, both will probably make their marks away.  Muhlenberg on Thursday could be the day for either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 11, 2011, 02:30:49 PM

Reserved Seat and Others -

Although I have been neglecting the "Pick-Ems" recently, Yes - we are are still making picks. Here are the two games for tonight:

Muhlenberg @ Johns Hoplins

F&M @ McDaniel

Picks are due by tip-off. Within the next several days, I will post the standings from the first half of the season. I will also post the rest of this week's games sometime tomorrow.

Due to the weather forecast and the earlier game time, I will probably not make the trek to Westminster to see the Dips play tonight. To those who will travel to games tonight, have a safe trip. Good Luck! Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 11, 2011, 02:32:56 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for tonight's games if they are indeed played:

Mhulenberg over Johns Hopkins

F&M over McDaniel

Enjoy!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 11, 2011, 03:38:50 PM
The Gill Center has been a tough barn for F&M in recent years -- the Dips have not won at McDaniel since 2006. McDaniel used an aggressive defense to hold F&M to 57 and 51 points in the last two meetings in Westminster, while Georgio Milligan shot only 3-for-20 from the field in those games combined. If F&M can't handle the pressure from the McDaniel guards, tonight could be a repeat of the past two meetings.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on January 11, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
Tim Murray, who calls F&M's home games on GoDiplomats.com, will be calling the game for WTTR AM 1470 in Westminster: http://radio.securenetsystems.net/radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WTTR (http://radio.securenetsystems.net/radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WTTR)

He will also have the audio from Memorial Hall at Muhlenberg Thursday evening on the GoDiplomats.com media portal: http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/fandm.portal (http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/fandm.portal)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 11, 2011, 05:43:32 PM
Picks for tonight  1/11/2011

Muhlenberg over JHU
F&M over McDaniel

Both road teams win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 11, 2011, 08:47:02 PM
Different year, same result in Westminster:

McDaniel 61, F&M 53

F&M point totals over the last three years in the Gill Center: 57, 51, 53
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 11, 2011, 08:50:23 PM
F&M won't run the table after all.  They could well lose another game or two.  They are too good not to win the conference in the regular season but the playoffs----another story.  They had better hope they host.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 11, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
Another ugly night in Westminister.
McDaniel played very aggressive as they seem to do every time I've been there.
McNally got frustrated with the officiating as he got called for what I believe was his first technical of the year.
He was constantly being hammered which lead to his horrendous shooting(6/20).
F&M seemed comfortably in the lead with an 8 point lead with 6 minutes to go.
From that point on, everything fell apart, including Baker and Tolliver fouling out.
There's still plenty of hope, knowing that we've lost at Westminister every year that McNally, Baker, and Tolliver have played there and still end up with a decent record.
The stat that stood out for me was McDaniel's 10 blocks.  The McDaniel players did as excellent job of contesting every shot.
By the way the weather was pretty, but the driving back to Lancaster was nerve-racking.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 12, 2011, 10:07:34 AM
i am not surprised that F&M lost a game. As we all will agree, they are the best team in the league but on any given night worse teams step up and play better than better teams. The league this year is still not sorted out and seems like alot will change by the end of the season. There is alot of parity this year. It has recently been F&M, Gettysburg and Ursinus at the top but this year is up for grabs. it makes every week a bit more exciting and unpredictable.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldknight on January 12, 2011, 11:44:34 AM
The passing of a great man should be noted here. Dick Winters, F & M Class of '41, and the main character of the Band of Brothers miniseries, died on January 2:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/01/dick_winters_who_inspired_band.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 12, 2011, 12:49:30 PM
Picks for 1/13/2010

Swat over JHU---home court and Swat is the better team
Muhlenberg over F&M---big upset in the dungeon
Washington College over Dickinson----home court advantage---good match up
Ursinus over Gettysburg----Bears continue to improve, they are at home and need this one
Haverford over McDaniel---home court for the Fords and post F&M let down for the Terror

Picks for 1/15/2010

F&M over Washington College---Dips in foreign territory on the road but good enough to win
Ursinus over McDaniel---a tough match up for the Bears at McDaniel but they have the talent to win
Haverford over JHU---Fords improving, JHU seems to be going the other way
Gettysburg over Muhlenberg---another good match up but home court should prevail
Swat over Dickinson---Garnet tough at home
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 13, 2011, 09:46:01 AM


Folks -

Here are the Conference games for the rest of the week for those participating in the "Pick-Ems" as follows:

Thursday, January 13, 2011

Johns Hopkins @ Swarthmore
F&M @ Muhlenberg
Dickinson @ Washington
Gettysburg @ Ursinus
McDaniel @ Haverford

Saturday, January 15, 2011

F&M @ Washington
Ursinus @ McDaniel
Haverford @ Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg@ Gettysburg
Dickinson @ Swarthmore

All pick are due by tip-off. Good luck! Enjoy. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 13, 2011, 06:00:40 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for tonight's "Pick-Em" games:

Swarthmore over Johns Hopkins

F&M over Muhlenberg

Dickinson over Washington

Ursinus over Gettysburg

Haverford over McDaniel

Good luck. Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 14, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
A great win for Muhlenberg last night, as the Mules hit numerous huge daggers and shot 10-for-16 beyond the arc for the game. Curry looks like he will be a very good player over the next few years (he already is).

Zone defenses are giving F&M big trouble. From the perimeter, the Dips shot only 2-for-12 and 3-for-16 vs. McDaniel and Muhlenberg, respectively. Tough to beat a zone with shooting like that.

F&M needs to approach each game like a playoff game, because that's what their opponents are doing (I noticed the comments below in post-game coverage this week). Otherwise, the Dips' season will spiral downhill rather quickly.

From Carroll County Times (http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/sports/colleges/mcdaniel/article_093a73dc-1e03-11e0-8489-001cc4c03286.html):
Quote
"I'm not going to lie. I feel like we get up, we get more excited for Franklin & Marshall games, usually because they're ranked coming in here. So it's a big game," junior forward Marcus Dyson said. "It's euphoric, it's a great feeling [to win]."

From the Muhlenberg website (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/main/athletics/winter11/0113.html):
Quote
"It was more motivation for us because of their high ranking and their history," said sophomore Rob Berish, who scored a career-high 12 points. "Nobody had trouble getting up for this game."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 14, 2011, 11:06:10 AM
Don't follow my leqd when it comes to the "pick ems".   I had only one right yesterday---that being the F&M game at Muhlenberg.  Good analysis by r.w. on that game. 

Ursinus lost to Getty 59-56 in a game that was 29-29 at the half and Ursinus led 56-55 with 52 seconds to go.  Ursinus did not score again but Getty did.

The Bears have shown marked improvement in their defense.  They are are more physical and playing good team defense.  Their early season woes were due to a very poor defense and careless ball handling.  Certainly, a lot of this due to the inexperience factor with 6 of the 11 players being freshmen or sophomores. 

A significant problem all season is that they don't have a closer---a player who take over in the waning minutes of a close game---like Milligan, or Shattuck, or Cousart.  Ursinus is 5-9 this year and the kids are obviously frustrated.  Of their 9 losses. 7 have been very competitive games where they either led at the half and/or the games were decided in the final minute or two.

The only thing they can do is continue to work hard and get better.  Hopefully they will start again with a win at McDaniel this Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
I too was impressed with the Mules' Curry.  He has some rough edges, but he was fearless against F&M.  If one game can tell a lot, he seems to have a great future ahead of him.
The big man wasn't as impressive, but he takes up a lot of space, which doesn't hurt.
F&M had a horrible night shooting(two in a row).  No question, Muhlenberg played a better game, keeping F&M off-balance most of the night.
The only good thing about the evening for me was that I found a good place to eat-The Tavern on Liberty.
Hopefully F&M can turn things around at Washington as McNally goes for the scoring record.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on January 15, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
What is killing the Diplomats is the schedule.  4 straight tough road games and 6 out of 7 on the road.  The schedule makers were unfair. 

Beyond that whining, the problem for F&M is that it cannot beat a zone defense.  TAKE A SHOT!!!  Don't always try to go low- it may not be there. 

Besides that, where is Lusty Larry?  And where is Coleman with his F&M bashing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on January 15, 2011, 09:35:32 AM
Congrats to McNally.  He should get the F&M record for points scored today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2011, 09:49:38 AM
McDaniel was the first stop on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2011, 09:53:18 AM
Picks -- 1/15/2010

F&M-McNally sets F&M scoring record in tough win
McDaniel-if they play like they did against F&M
Haverford-playing at a higher level than JHU
Muhlenberg-Curry and Liddic carry Mules to victory
Dickinson-young team playing well
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 15, 2011, 12:42:52 PM


Picks for today:

F&M over Washington (have to get a road win soon)
McDaniel over Ursinus
Haverford over Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg over Gettysburg (could go either way)
Swarthmore over Dickinson (home court)

I am not traveling to Chestertown today. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2011, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: docmarc on January 15, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
What is killing the Diplomats is the schedule.  4 straight tough road games and 6 out of 7 on the road.  The schedule makers were unfair. 

Beyond that whining, the problem for F&M is that it cannot beat a zone defense.  TAKE A SHOT!!!  Don't always try to go low- it may not be there. 

Besides that, where is Lusty Larry?  And where is Coleman with his F&M bashing.

There haven't been any F&M fan allegations to respond to yet, unlike last March. If there are, I'll be around to respond -- don't worry.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 15, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
Seems like everyone is beating everyone. This makes for a fun season! Well done everyone who posts about the games. I love hearing about the games I am not watching.

Swarthmore played a great game today with four players in double figures. Their entire Junior class missed the first half of the season as they were all overseas for the first semester. It has been a challenge trying to find chemistry after they all came back.

The last 10 games should be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on January 16, 2011, 10:20:21 AM
...and Wednesday is another round between great archrivals: Fords vs Swat!! I expect it to be a very exciting game, especially given Swat's performance Saturday against Dickinson. For a number of reasons (Equinox, shared classes, proximity of fan base), there is no strong homecourt advantage in this series. Since the CC started, Haverford is 10-7 at home and 9-8 at Swat. It is therefore a pretty even series, although Haverford has won 7 in a row. With the exception of last year's second game, most of the contests have been very close (as is true for almost any game played between any CC team this year).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 17, 2011, 04:51:05 PM
Picks for 1/19/2011

Washington College over JHU---home court prevails
McDaniel over Gettysburg---after what they did to F&M & Ursinus on their home court they get the nod
Dickinson over F&M---another upset but at Carlisle this time
Swat over Haverford---Garnet due to win one and they are at home
Ursinus over Muhlenberg---Bears figure out how to close one out---I hope

Picks for 1/22/2011

Muhlenberg over Washington College---in the dungeon, nuff said
Ursinus over Swat---home court this time and they will not blow it again
Dickinson over JHU---Dickinson tough at home
F&M over McDaniel---Dips won't let it happen again
Gettysburg over Haverford---should be a real good game

Ursinus is having its worst season in eleven years.  Hopefully, they will turn it around.  The frustrating thing it that they should be better than they are.  It is too easy to say that their inconsistent play is due to their youth.  Yes, they are young---but they have talent and should be better.  Having said that, two below average recruiting years have come back to bite them.  The juniors and seniors except for Matt Hilton are contributing very little and that makes it really tough.  The bottom line---they simply are not executing well on either end of the court.  They will continue to see double teams on Ward and Hilton and they must learn how to deal with them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 17, 2011, 07:30:28 PM
sat
muhlenberg over washington
ursinus over swarthmore
dickinson over hopkins
F&M over Mcdaniel
Haverford over Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 17, 2011, 10:47:35 PM
i think ursinus will turn things around. they lost 5 conference games by 5 points or less (3 were losses of 3 points or less), and 2 of them were overtime. they haven't been able to win close games but i think they are better than several teams that are currently ahead of them in the standings and certainly better than their record. i wish them luck. they are  a terrific program, as we all know. the loss of cousart was huge...he filled up a stat sheet!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 18, 2011, 07:23:30 AM
I agree, Ursinus is a good team and very well coached. I am still scratching my head over some of the wins/losses this year by everyone. But, it has made the season interesting not knowing who will win on any given night.

The one game that is most interesting/troubling to me is the F&M vs Ithaca College game. As an alum of I.C. and living very close to the college, I didn't see them being within 20 of F&M. I still can't believe they scored over 100 points in the game. I had egg on my face after that one because I told everyone around here that not only would F&M beat I.C., but they would probably beat this year's Cornell team. =)

The second half of the conference season will bring more surprises. I do hope Swarthmore won't finish last but at this point I have thrown out any predictions. I picked F&M to go undefeated in league play. Here is to a great second half!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2011, 01:21:31 PM
Gabriel can you offer an insight into how and when to pick Ursinus.  Ursinus is killing my picks.
Here goes-
Picks for 1/19/2011

Washington College --JHU is struggling
Gettysburg--continue to surprise even with the loss of 4 players
F&M---can't afford another loss
Haverford---tough pick but Haverford seems more scrappy
Ursinus --come up strong at home if they stop Curry

Picks for 1/22/2011

Muhlenberg--dungeon seemed brighter this year
Ursinus--not twice in one season
Dickinson--see above re JHU
F&M--hopefully revenge
Gettysburg---avenge their loss at Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 18, 2011, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2011, 01:21:31 PM
Gabriel can you offer an insight into how and when to pick Ursinus.  Ursinus is killing my picks.
Here goes-
Picks for 1/19/2011

Washington College --JHU is struggling
Gettysburg--continue to surprise even with the loss of 4 players
F&M---can't afford another loss
Haverford---tough pick but Haverford seems more scrappy
Ursinus / Muhlenberg--come back to this one later

Picks for 1/22/2011

Muhlenberg--dungeon seemed brighter this year
Ursinus--not twice in one season
Dickinson--see above re JHU
F&M--hopefully revenge
Gettysburg/ Haverford---come back to this one later

Reserved Seat,

They are killing my picks too.  To be honest regarding Ursinus,  I tend to pick with my heart instead of my head.  They have been decent on offense this year except for the turnovers, primarily by the post players who have not learned to move the ball back outside against zones and double teams.  When they learn, the will be much more effective, particularly with 3 point shooters like Hilton, Donahue, Vasturia etc.

I saw several games early in the season and their team defense was horrible  This was a problem up through the Dickinson game.  Since that time, their defense has improved markedly---but they just can't seem to put 40 minutes of good offense and defense together---maybe 35 minutes at best.  They are young with six freshmen/sophomores playing big roles but we are now well into January and they are not babies any longer.

I look for them to finish strong with Matt Hilton taking a bigger leadership role---as he should being the only senior who plays much.  They have talent, they are team oriented,  smart kids and they are well coached.  Hopefully this will add up to some wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 19, 2011, 12:23:53 AM
wed
hopkins over washington
gettysburg over mcdaniel
f&m over dickinson
haverford over swarthmore
ursinus over muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 19, 2011, 05:50:16 PM

Folks -

My picks for tonight's games as follows:

Washington over Johns Hopkins
Gettysburg over McDaniel
F&M over Dickinson
Haverford over Swarthmore
Ursinus over Muhlenberg

I am concerned that I have mostly picked road teams! I am getting ready to leave for Carlisle to see the Dips play. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 20, 2011, 12:25:41 AM
Congrats to James McNally on becoming F&M's all-time leading scorer, topping Donnie Marsh's 32-year record. Lots of great players have come and gone in that time. Also, kudos to Baker and Milligan for recently topping 1,000.

What a night in the Centennial, with two OT games and another one that almost got there. A good race shaping up the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 20, 2011, 08:37:36 AM
It was quite a night with so many close games.  Ursinus finally closed one out to defeat Muhlenberg by a point.  Mules prayer shot from the corner with one second on the clock was correctly called a 2 which saved the day for the Bears.  Again, Ursinus led by double digits much of the first half, leading by 13 at the break.  And again, they gave up the lead in the first four minutes of the second half----and the game was nip and tuck the rest of the way.

Both teams played good tough defense.  Mules used a zone and half court man to man defenses.  Ursinus used full court pressure effectively in the first half and some in the second period in an attempt to speed the game up.  As usual, Hilton and Ward were double teamed every time they touched the ball but they passed much better and Ursinus had "only" ten turnovers---good for them.  Interestingly,  only four players scored for Muhlenberg while nine scored for the Bears.  Guards Curry for Muhlenberg and Krasna for the Bears both played well.  As freshmen, they will face each other many more times. Both teams are young and fighting for play off berths.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 21, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
sat picks
ursinus over swarthmore
muhlenberg over washington
dickinson over hopkins
F&M over mcdaniel
haverford over gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 21, 2011, 07:02:38 PM

Folks -

Here are my selections for tomorrow's Pick-Ems:

Ursinus over Swarthmore
Muhlenberg over Washington
Dickinson over Johns Hopkins
F&M over McDaniel
Gettysburg over Haverford

It is hard to believe that I have chosen all of the teams that are at home! I will be at Mayser tomorrow afternoon. If you are traveling - travel carefully and safely. Enjoy the games. Good luck. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 22, 2011, 09:33:48 PM
As expected the best game must have been an epic battle at Bream. As expected the Power-Bullets get the huge win at home.

I went to Mayser to see the Dips with great trepidation based on their recent results. I wasn't made feel any better seeing McNally in street clothes for the 1st time in his career I can recall. Without the new All-Time leading scorer for F&M what chance could have against the mob like Terror defense. However without McNally to focus on with physical defense McDaniel seemed to lose there chutzpah.

No McNally & Baker could muster only 2 points. Thankfully Beckford had a his most points ever (26) & Hayk filled in well. My favorate play was on a Dip fast break was Milligan on a Globetrotter-like behind the back dribble/drop pass to an expecting Salandra who made a tomahawk jam & got fouled. This may have been a break-out game for Salandra as he often was an exciting trigger that made things happen both good & some bad on offense & defense. I wonder how long McNally is out with the possible concussion. They might be able to get by against JHU but after that he would be sorely needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on January 23, 2011, 10:13:59 AM
The Countdown is on to win #800: http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/800/index (http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/800/index)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 23, 2011, 04:43:39 PM
McNally is hoping to back for John Hopkins.  He was suppose to get checked out today.
F&M moved the ball around the perimeter much better than they did at Westminister.
Hayk stuggled with foul trouble, but contributed well when he was on the court.
Beckford's athleticism was on displayed as he played a fantastic game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 23, 2011, 06:10:16 PM

Folks -

The following chart shows the cumulative standings for the "Pick-Ems" contest for the second half of the 2010-2011 season through and including yesterday's (January 22) games:


NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
R. W. McNickles   0 – 0   1 – 0   1.000
Reserved Seat   5 – 0   12 – 3    .800
Gabriel      5 – 0    19 – 8    .704
HighHoops   4 – 1    7 – 3    .700
Diplomaniac1   5 – 0    15 – 7    .682
BRCE4                   0 – 0    0 – 0    .000
         
I think that I have double-checked eveyone's selections against the game results several times. However, be sure to let me know if I have made any errors that need correcting.

Yesterday's game at Mayser Center was one of the Dips' best defensive efforts this year. They also had a better focus, a higher level of intensity, and more hustle than I have seen almost all season long. Let's hope that McNally returns soon and that the rest of the team keeps up the hustle.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 23, 2011, 07:40:37 PM


Folks -

I have finally gotten around to compiling the selections and results from mid to late December 2010 and I am now at long last posting the final standings for our "Pick-Ems" contest for the first half of the 2010-2011 season, which were mostly non-conference games. The following chart lists the cumulative (and final) standings through and including the games of December 31, 2010:

NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
Reserved Seat   8 – 1   26 – 9    .743
HighHoops   0 – 0    6 – 3    .667
BRCE4   0 – 0    12 – 7    .632
Diplomaniac1   6 – 3    24 – 19    .558
Gabriel   0 – 0    17 – 16    .515
         
Nobody made any picks for the games right around New Year's Eve and during the week right after it (January 1 through and including January 7). Read them and weep! Congrats to Reserved Seat whose "Crystal Ball" worked the best!

We do not seem to have very many prognosticators participating this year. We need a few more "old pros" to return for the rest of the second half of the season! I will post next weeks games sometime tomorrow.

Again, I think that I have double-checked eveyone's selections against the various game results several times. However, be sure to let me know if I have made any errors that need correcting. Enjoy!

Go Dips! Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 24, 2011, 12:52:26 AM
thanks eric!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 24, 2011, 05:17:55 PM
Strange game at Ursinus on Saturday.  Swat led the whole first half by as much as 17 and by 14 at the break.  Ursinus did not play poorly, they just shot poorly.  It was just on of those games when the ball would not drop.  Swat led 36 to 22 at the half.  Ursinus made just 5 field goals in the first half.

The second half was much different as the Bears scored 66 points to 40 for the Garnet.  Much of the scoring was at the line.  In all 66 fouls were called, 98 free throws attempted.  In addition, the officials called three technical fouls.  Very unusual for a Centennial Conference game. 

Ursinus won the game with their post play.  The four post players scored 57 points with Ward scoring 31 and Janowski 23 (22 in the second half).  It was a good win and we'll take it.  If Ursinus can get that kind of post production the rest of the way, they will do well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 24, 2011, 07:23:45 PM


Folks -

For our "Pick-Ems" contest, the following listings show this week's Centennial Conference games:

Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Swarthmore @ McDaniel
Ursinus @ Washington
Dickinson @ Gettysburg
F&M @ Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg @ Haverford

Saturday, January 29, 2011
McDaniel @ Washington
F&M @ Haverford
Dickinson @ Ursinus
Gettysburg @ Swarthmore
Johns Hopkins @ Muhlenberg

All picks must be in by game time on their respective dates. Travel safely and enjoy the games. Good luck! Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: highhoops on January 24, 2011, 08:45:17 PM
wednesday picks:
mcdaniel
ursinus
dickinson
f&m
haverford

sat picks:
mcdaniel
haverford
ursinus
gettysburg
muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 25, 2011, 12:00:19 PM
Picks for Wednesday 1/26/2011

McDaniel over Swat----really tough at home
Ursinus over Washington College---Bears need to win one on the road
Gettysburg over Dickinson---good game but home court is the difference
F&M over JHU---with or without McNally, Dips are just better
Haverford over Muhlenberg---Fords are good and are at home

Saturday 1/29/2011

Washington College over McDaniel---Shoremen protect their home court
Haverford over F&M---Fords will be tough on their home court
Ursinus over Dickinson---Bears are not the same team they saw earlier
Gettysburg over Swat---two teams headed in different directions
Muhlenberg over JHU---Mules too tough at home
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2011, 06:24:19 PM
Wednesday, January 26, 2011
McDaniel-at home
Ursinus-too much heighth
Gettysburg-don't see to miss the four
F&M-still the team to beat
Muhlenberg-could be a toss-up

Saturday, January 29, 2011
McDaniel-pure guess-Washington seems to rely on one person
F&M-tough game at Haverford
Ursinus-even though Dickinson has some good freshmen
Gettysburg-too much 'power'
Muhlenberg-at home and JHU continues to struggle
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 26, 2011, 04:27:30 PM


Folks -

Here are my Pick-Ems selections for tonight's (now tomorrow's) games:

McDaniel over Swarthmore
Ursinus over Washington
Gettysburg over Dickinson
F&M over Johns Hopkins
Haverford over Muhlenberg

Everyone should stay inside tonight. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 27, 2011, 12:15:35 PM
Our live blog/chat - "Centennial Hoops Tonight" - returns tonight to talk about the seven Conference games and anything else on your mind. Join me at 6 p.m. through the end of the night's action.

http://centennialconference.blogspot.com/2011/01/centennial-hoops-tonight.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2011, 04:48:12 PM
Commish - nice appetizer before Hoopsville starting at 7 PM! (www.d3hoopsville.com or www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on January 28, 2011, 06:48:57 AM
Another Robinsonian Reflection as he closes in on 800: http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/800/index2 (http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/800/index2)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 28, 2011, 06:32:07 PM


Folks -

Here are my choices for tomorrow's "Pick-Em" Conference games:

Washington over McDaniel
F&M over Haverford
Dickinison over Ursinus
Gettysburg over Swarthmore
Muhlenberg over Johns Hopkins.

If the weather is no worse than it has been today, I will be making the trek to the Main Line tomorrrow to see the Diplomats play at Haverford. It should be a very good game, especially if McNally is ready to suit up and play again!

I will post an update to the standings to include this weekend's games on Sunday. If you are traveling, be careful out there this weekend! Good luck with your picks. Enjoy the games!

It is almost February - can Spring and March Madness really be that far behind? Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2011, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: highhoops on December 12, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
the 800th win will not happen at haverford...that is for sure

Congratulations, you were right, but not the way you meant.
Even without McNally coasts to an easy victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 29, 2011, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2011, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: highhoops on December 12, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
the 800th win will not happen at haverford...that is for sure

Congratulations, you were right, but not the way you meant.
Even without McNally coasts to an easy victory.

I wouldn't have predicted F&M winning three games so convincingly without McNally. Will he return in time to play against Ursinus on Wednesday? Hayk looked good today, and so did the defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on January 31, 2011, 06:39:12 AM
The countdown continues for Robinson: http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/800/index3 (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/800/index3)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 31, 2011, 10:30:28 AM


Folks -

Read them and weep! The following chart shows the cumulative standings for the "Pick-Ems" contest for the second half of the 2010-2011 season through and including all of the games played on Wednesday (1/26), Thursday (1/27), and Saturday (1/29) of last week:

NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
R. W. McNickles   0 – 0   1 – 0   1.000
Reserved Seat   7 – 2   19 – 5    .792
HighHoops   6 – 3    13 – 6    .684
Gabriel   4 – 5    23 – 13    .639
Diplomaniac1   4 – 5    19 – 12    .613
BRCE4   0 – 0    0 – 0    .000
         
Does anyone know when the McDaniel game that was to be played on Wednesday, January 26, has been rescheduled to? Reserved Seat went 7 - 2. His crystal ball must really be working overtime!

We do not seem to have very many prognosticators participating this year. We need a few more of the "old pros" to return for the rest of the second half of the season! I will post this weeks games sometime tomorrow.

Again, I think that I have double-checked eveyone's selections against the various game results several times. However, be sure to let me know if I have made any errors that need correcting. Enjoy!

Go Dips! Regards to all.

Eric

      
         
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 01, 2011, 11:53:39 AM


Folks -

For our ongoing "Pick-Ems" contest, the following listings show this week's Centennial Conference Men's Basketball games:

Wednesday, February 2, 2011
Ursinus @ F&M
Gettysburg @ Johns Hopkins
McDaniel @ Dickinson
Muhlenberg @ Swarthmore
Washington @ Haverford

Saturday, February 5, 2011
Swarthmore @ Johns Hopkins
Haverford @ McDaniel
Ursinus @ Gettysburg
Washington @ Dickinson
Muhlenberg @ F&M

Assuming the games are not rescheduled due to inclement weather, all picks must be in by game time on their respective dates along with "a certification that your crystal ball has been inspected and is still working"! Come on, let's have a few more prognosticators participating making some predictions.

We are now finally getting down to crunch time as there are only about three weeks of regular season play left! Travel safely and enjoy the games. Good luck! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 01, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
Picks for Wednesday 2/2/2011

F&M over Ursinus---breaks my heart but F&M is just better this year
Gettysburg over JHU---Hopkins is just not good enough
Dickinson over McDaniel---home team wins
Muhlenberg over Swat---Mules have more guns
Haverford over Washington College---another home team win

Picks for Saturday 2/5/2011
Swat over JHU---Swat wins one on the road
McDaniel over Haverford---Terror can beat anyone at home
Ursinus over Gettysburg---Bears due to win one on Getty's home court
Dickinson over Washington College---Dickinson plays well at home
F&M over Muhlenberg---F&M just does not lose at home this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipfanatic on February 01, 2011, 02:27:09 PM
Any word on when McNally will be back?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 2twotoed on February 01, 2011, 03:35:22 PM
At this point in the season which teams have been the biggest surprises and the biggest disappointments? It seems like most of the schools have long term coaches that employ the same system year in and year out. Fun chess matches to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2011, 06:50:37 PM
Guesses

Wednesday, February 2, 2011
F&M--McNally returns
Gettysburg --Powers delivers again
Dickinson--at home
Muhlenberg--just better than Swarthmore
Haverford--at home

Saturday, February 5, 2011
Johns Hopkins--toss up
McDaniel--rough play at Westminister
Gettysburg--more 'Power"
Dickinson--at home
F&M--won't lose at home
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 02, 2011, 10:33:28 AM


Folks -

Here are my selections for tonight's "Pick-Em" games:

F&M over Ursinus
Gettysburg over Johns Hopkins
Dickinson over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Swarthmore
Haverford over Washington

Looks like we will all do very well or be terribly wrong since we agree on all of today's games!

Assuming the game is indeed played, I will be at Mayser Center tonight. Drive carefully. Good luck. Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:15:19 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 02, 2011, 08:39:23 PM
Almost a two hour power-outage at Swarthmore tonight about eight minutes into the women's game. Men's game probably won't start until around 10:00. Late night tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2011, 10:00:31 PM
Playing without McNally again, F&M sprinted out to an early lead, before Ward fought to bring Ursinus back into the game.  Another well-rounded game by F&M as all the starters contributed to the victory.  Ursinus deserves credit for not packing it in after the early domination by F&M.
It's shocking Ursinus has a losing record.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 03, 2011, 08:08:54 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2011, 10:00:31 PM
Playing without McNally again, F&M sprinted out to an early lead, before Ward fought to bring Ursinus back into the game.  Another well-rounded game by F&M as all the starters contributed to the victory.  Ursinus deserves credit for not packing it in after the early domination by F&M.
It's shocking Ursinus has a losing record.

Reserved Seat,

It is shocking that they have a losing record.  F&M played well and I don't want to take anything away from what they have accomplished.

You could see some of the reasons for the Bears coming up short at the end of the game.  That was a very winnable game for the Bears but they could not get it done at crunch time.  First, they missed some big free throws---Ward & Krasna.  Also,  Krasna is a really good freshman and will be a top player for the next three years.  But-----he is a freshman and his decision making at the end was not good.  He tried to do too much himself, dribbled too much and was not effective.  Credit Milligan's defense too.  Also, their forwards disappear for stretches at a time and they do not rebound tough all the time.  Case in point---F&M had 17 offensive rebounds.  That's a lot of second chances.  Also, the Bears need another wing who can score.  I think they have the players in Adams and Vasturia, but----they are freshmen too and have had turnover problems.  All I can say is wait until next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 03, 2011, 11:01:28 AM
Any win over Ursinus is Just. too.  sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

I obviously dont follow other Mid Atlantic teams, but F&M being 9th in the regional rankings is a strong message to the team:  If you dont win your conference tournament you are more than likely out of the NCAAs.  Obviously a lot can happen, but lets look at most likely scenario for a non-F&M Conf tourney victory (4-1 down the stretch, a win over Muhl/dickinson? in rd 1 then a loss to Gburg/Muhl in final).  If committee takes regional rankings seriously i just cant see 5 wins against .500 or below teams helping F+M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 04, 2011, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2011, 10:00:31 PM
It's shocking Ursinus has a losing record.

I thought Ursinus would finish second or third in the CC this year. There is a lot of talent on that roster. Ward is almost automatic when he gets the ball in the paint against one defender (and sometimes against a double team), and Hilton is a deadly shooter.

Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 03, 2011, 11:01:28 AM
I obviously dont follow other Mid Atlantic teams, but F&M being 9th in the regional rankings is a strong message to the team:  If you dont win your conference tournament you are more than likely out of the NCAAs.

F&M definitely needs to win the conference to make it this year. They don't have any horrible losses (the teams that beat F&M all have winning records), but the Dips don't have many impressive wins. Had a couple of opportunities against St. Mary's and Ithaca but lost. And when it looked like F&M would play Albright in the Rotary Tournament, Elmira upset the Lions for what remains their only win of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 04, 2011, 02:23:30 PM
A few weeks ago during an online chat, some viewers asked us to let them know when we created an NFL "Red Zone" style channel for Centennial hoops. Well, it's not quite the Red Zone, but I think you'll enjoy it.

Introducing the "C Zone" Channel. We have created a web page that has all the video streams from our member schools. It provides you with a window into all the day's action on one screen. Hope you enjoy!

http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/c-zone
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 04, 2011, 05:56:22 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for tomorrow's games:

Johns Hopkins over Swarthmore
McDaniel over Haverford
Gettysburg over Ursinus
Dickinson over Washington
F&M over Muhlenberg

All home teams - it makes me wonder about my crystal ball!?! Let's hope the forecasted bad weather doesn't materialize and/or doesn't prevent the games from being played. Also, let's hope McNally is ready to go tomorrow!

I will be at Mayser. Travel carefully and safely. Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 06, 2011, 07:09:07 PM

Folks -

Here are the Pick-Ems" standings to date. They include this week's Centennial Conference games though today (Sunday):

NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
R. W. McNickles   0 – 0   1 – 0   1.000
Reserved Seat   6 – 4   25 – 9    .735
HighHoops   0 – 0    13 – 6    .684
Gabriel   8 – 2    31 – 15    .674
Diplomaniac1   6 – 4    25 – 16    .610
BRCE4   0 – 0    0 – 0    .000
         
Congrats to Gabriel who a great week as his crystal ball was in overdrive! McNally played atr Mayser this afternoon and looked rusty after two weeks off!

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 07, 2011, 07:15:19 AM
799. http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/800/index5 (http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/800/index5)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 07, 2011, 04:14:33 PM
Picks for the week:
Wednesday, 2/9/2011
McDaniel over JHU---Terror not likely to lose at home
Muhlenberg over Dickinson---good game but Mule have home court
Washington College over Swarthmore---WC playing better each week
F&M over Gettysburg---better team wins on the road
Ursinus over Haverford---should be a great game with Bears holding on

Saturday, 2/12/2011
Ursinus over JHU---home court should do it
McDaniel over Muhlenberg---again, Terror will win at home
Dickinson over Haverford---good game with home court the difference
F&M over Swarthmore---too many guns for the Garnet to handle
Washington College over Gettysburg---tough to win after a long trip to the shore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 07, 2011, 04:43:59 PM
Unfortunately i think this is a bad spot for F&M.  Every CC team treats their home F&M game like a super bowl, plus the Dips will have added pressure of Robinsons 800th. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 08, 2011, 06:50:18 AM
Great article on Glenn Robinson in Philly Inquirer: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20110208_Franklin_and_Marshall_s_Robinson_nears_another_milestone.html?page=2&c=y (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20110208_Franklin_and_Marshall_s_Robinson_nears_another_milestone.html?page=2&c=y)

Daily Local News (West Chester, Pa.) chimes in with good story as well: http://dailylocal.com/articles/2011/02/06/sports/doc4d4f24e19e6df738052188.txt (http://dailylocal.com/articles/2011/02/06/sports/doc4d4f24e19e6df738052188.txt)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 08, 2011, 06:33:55 PM
RADIO
Interview live tonight (Tuesday) by Brian Kenny on ESPN radio at 9 p.m. Log on to espnradio.com http://espn.go.com/espnradio/ (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/) or turn your dial to 97.5 FM (Philadelphia) or 1400 AM (Harrisburg).

TELEVISION

Interview on ESPN's First Take tomorrow (Wednesday) morning.  The show will air live at 10:30 am ET on ESPN2.

NEWSPAPER

The New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09coach.html?_r=1&ref=sports (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09coach.html?_r=1&ref=sports)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2011, 06:52:20 PM
Guesses
Wednesday, 2/9/2011
McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Washington College
F&M
Haverford

Saturday, 2/12/2011
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Dickinson
F&M
Gettysburg-
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 09, 2011, 09:47:39 AM

Folks -

Here are my predictions for tonight's games:

McDaniel over Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg over Dickinson
Washington over Swarthmore
F&M over Gettysburg
Ursinus over Haverford

I plan to make the trek to Bream Center in Gettysburg this evening to watch the Diplomats. Enjoy the games. Good Luck. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 09, 2011, 10:53:14 AM
Interesting game tonight in GBurg.  If fandm wins you gotta think they have an excellent chance to run the table till the CC tourney.  That might get them in the d3 tourney even if they lose a final. 

also, any idea why Zurn hasnt been playing for GBurg? that guy used to eat us up
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 09, 2011, 01:23:35 PM
Lost in the Robinson coverage is the fact that Andrew Powers will likely break the all-time Gettysburg scoring record tonight. I think the Dips will be feeling the pressure of #800. I remember they lost their first cracks at 500 and 600, delaying those milestones for one game. The Bullets win a very tight game in front of a large crowd. Number 800 comes at Swarthmore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2011, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 09, 2011, 10:53:14 AM
Interesting game tonight in GBurg.  If fandm wins you gotta think they have an excellent chance to run the table till the CC tourney.  That might get them in the d3 tourney even if they lose a final. 

also, any idea why Zurn hasnt been playing for GBurg? that guy used to eat us up

Check the message board circa January 2 for info.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 09, 2011, 02:13:55 PM
http://search.espn.go.com/robinson/

this should bring you to a search page that has video of Glenn Robinson on ESPN this morning.  A really good interview that was obviously well planned and produced by ESPN. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2011, 02:54:06 PM
Newest men's regional rankings are up. Pass it on:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 09, 2011, 04:00:20 PM
To the commish or whomever edits this  biased forum. A forum by definition is an exchange of opinions and views and I think that includes those that oppose undeserved ass kissing. Evidently., no one seems to want to allow an honest opinion of Mr Robinson as seen from outside the world of F&M. Many, many "fans" of basketball in private seem to have the same view I posted earlier today. If you can honestly watch an F&M game and not see evidence of this then shame on all of you rose colored glasses wearing Mr. Robinson "fans". No foul language or verbal abuse was posted just an honest assessment from an outside party. Shame on all of you involved with this farce of a forum.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2011, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on February 09, 2011, 04:00:20 PM
To the commish or whomever edits this  biased forum. A forum by definition is an exchange of opinions and views and I think that includes those that oppose undeserved ass kissing. Evidently., no one seems to want to allow an honest opinion of Mr Robinson as seen from outside the world of F&M. Many, many "fans" of basketball in private seem to have the same view I posted earlier today. If you can honestly watch an F&M game and not see evidence of this then shame on all of you rose colored glasses wearing Mr. Robinson "fans". No foul language or verbal abuse was posted just an honest assessment from an outside party. Shame on all of you involved with this farce of a forum.

I edit this forum. I did not remove any post of yours today.

I see you are relatively new to the forum. Perhaps you didn't finish your post. Is your account set to preview posts for you before you finalize them? Perhaps you forgot the final step.

Perhaps you should consider your posts before you make them. I have no evidence your post was here. Our moderator log shows NO posts have been deleted from ANY forum on this site sine Jan. 30.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 09, 2011, 07:28:21 PM
Please do not take this the wrong way but I want F&M to lose tonight so he will get his #800 at Swarthmore. I think that would be great and pretty special to be a part of! Anytime history is made, it is fun to be there and witness it!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 09, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
Anyone know where to get a feed of the fandm game?  every site links me to the gettysburg site where they expect me to pay 6 bucks for a feed that, last week during fandm's broadcast, was advertised for free. 

Now obviously i am a man of considerable wealth, but i didnt get to where i am by paying money for stuff i should be getting for free.  Any help out there to the fandm feed? thanks, much obliged
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2011, 09:08:12 PM
Lusty - I ran into the same problem - just following on live stats. :-/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 09, 2011, 09:15:44 PM
yeah Dave i settled for listenting to the f+m broadcast (through godiplomats.com), more of surprise disapoointment than anything else. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2011, 10:57:06 PM
I was mobile so I guess the lack of free video didn't bother me.

It could be worse. Williams charges FIFTEEN DOLLARS for its live video.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
Pat,
  Maybe u could distinguish between pay(PV) and free(FV) video on the scoreboard schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2011, 11:21:51 PM
Maybe someday -- it would take starting over and all the schools would have to agree to do it, since they put the info in the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: F@M on February 10, 2011, 03:15:20 AM
I'm sure F@M's parents and recruits will enjoy to know that it is FREE to view the games live for F@M games and will cost at many schools like Williams and Gettysburg.   Congrats to coach Robinson and Kathy for all the memories.  800 is an amazing number.  That's an average of 20 wins a year for 40 years straight.  It's not about the wins, but rather the people that have been apart of those wins.  The amazing web of talented alum on and off the court speaks for itself. Pretty incredible. 

Hopefully the regional rankings will fix themselves by the end of the season.  How can a game for a team from Delaware count as a game in Maine but not in Virginia?  The regional ranking system needs to be fixed, changed, or tossed. 

Robinson Earns National Media Attention


Franklin & Marshall men's basketball coach Glenn Robinson has been all over the national media scene this week.  Robinson is one game shy of reaching 800 career wins and the country's top media outlets took notice. Below is a "Glenn Guide" to help you follow the coverage.

RADIO

Coach Robinson was interviewed live Tuesday night on the by Brian Kenny on ESPN radio. You can listen to the entire interview by clicking here.

TELEVISION

Coach Robinson was interviewed on ESPN's First Take Wednesday morning. You can watch the interview by clicking here.

Robinson talked with Jason Bristol from CBS 21 in Harrisburg. That segment was aired last night (Tuesday) at 11:00 p.m. You can watch the interview by clicking here.

Bristol followed on the interview with post game coverage. Click here to view it.

NEWSPAPER

The New York Times Sports Writer Adam Himmelsbach's story here

Philadelphia Inquirer Staff Writer Mike Jensen's story here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 10, 2011, 08:04:29 AM
Congratulations to Glenn for number 800  ;D

Additional congratulations to Andrew Powers for becoming Gettysburg's all-time leading scorer!

More coverage of Coach Robinson, including yesterday's interview on ESPN 2. Looking for video from SportsCenter and College Hoops Final (from a source that isn't my DVR).

ESPN 2's First Take - Wednesday morning: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6104614 (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6104614)

Lancaster Intelligencer: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/350121 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/350121)
CBS 21: http://www.whptv.com/content/localsports/story/F-Ms-Glenn-Robinson-wins-800th-career-game/jBDZ5zirQkCwbCJbf7wErg.cspx (http://www.whptv.com/content/localsports/story/F-Ms-Glenn-Robinson-wins-800th-career-game/jBDZ5zirQkCwbCJbf7wErg.cspx)
Fox 43: http://www.fox43.com/news/wpmt-robinson-wins-800th-020911,0,4289614.story (http://www.fox43.com/news/wpmt-robinson-wins-800th-020911,0,4289614.story)
Gettysburg Times: http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/sports/article_0995716c-34d6-11e0-9d54-001cc4c002e0.html (http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/sports/article_0995716c-34d6-11e0-9d54-001cc4c002e0.html)

My edit was adding a direct link for the ESPN 2 video.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2011, 10:59:11 AM
Quote from: F@M on February 10, 2011, 03:15:20 AM
I'm sure F@M's parents and recruits will enjoy to know that it is FREE to view the games live for F@M games and will cost at many schools like Williams and Gettysburg.   Congrats to coach Robinson and Kathy for all the memories.  800 is an amazing number.  That's an average of 20 wins a year for 40 years straight.  It's not about the wins, but rather the people that have been apart of those wins.  The amazing web of talented alum on and off the court speaks for itself. Pretty incredible. 

Hopefully the regional rankings will fix themselves by the end of the season.  How can a game for a team from Delaware count as a game in Maine but not in Virginia?  The regional ranking system needs to be fixed, changed, or tossed. 

Actually, this is an improvement. It used to be neither of those games would count. Isn't it better if more games count?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2011, 11:24:45 AM
First off - we hope to have Glenn Robinson on Hoopsville tonight (7-9 PM EST - www.d3hoopsville.com) and we all know that is the most important place to be interviewed in Division III! :)

Yeah... agree with Pat about regional games... they will never go to every-game-counts, but the improvements are well worth it. And by the way... the game for the Delaware team against the Virginia team does count if it is inside 200 miles and there are some that do fit inside this range.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: F@M on February 10, 2011, 11:37:10 AM
It is an improvement that more games count, but why not count all division 3 games.  If you look closely at the criteria for what counts as a regional game it make absolutely no sense at all.  Games 201 miles away in neighboring states do not count and games up to 3000 miles away can count.  The way the numbers work to determine the strength of schedule even make less sense.  If it made any sense at all to use the numbers the first place team in our region would not be the second place team in their own league with the first place team in that league not even ranked.  This happened in the first week of rankings.

Why not count all division 3 games?  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: F@M on February 10, 2011, 11:47:30 AM
Pat,

d3hoops seems to have a better grasp on who the better teams, leagues and players are throughout the country and within each region.  Would d3 hoops be interested in posting their own regional rankings based on their knowledge of basketball and looking at National rankings and overall schedules?

I think everyone would be interested in comparing the two. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2011, 11:49:56 AM
F&M - you are either brand new to this... or more knowledgeable and been around to already know most of these answers... I can't figure it out since your posts are so new. Your question makes me think you already know the answer to this or at least are around people who know the answer.

First off... Division III as a whole does not want to go to a national scope when comparing games. It comes from the presidents down. They have expanded what ranks as regional games and it isn't perfect... but it is FAR better then hardly any game actually counting as regional. Maybe they will add "neighboring states"... but that is a decision for the off-season.

Just don't bet on all games count... isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2011, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: F@M on February 10, 2011, 11:37:10 AM
It is an improvement that more games count, but why not count all division 3 games.  If you look closely at the criteria for what counts as a regional game it make absolutely no sense at all.  Games 201 miles away in neighboring states do not count and games up to 3000 miles away can count.  The way the numbers work to determine the strength of schedule even make less sense.  If it made any sense at all to use the numbers the first place team in our region would not be the second place team in their own league with the first place team in that league not even ranked.  This happened in the first week of rankings.

Why not count all division 3 games?  

So you have two things going here:

1) There's an overriding Division III philosophy statement that regional competition is to be emphasized. That comes from the presidents on down. The coaches and fans agree with you, so there is a bit of a give-and-take battle going on. If you have been following D-III for more than a few years you probably remember that once upon a time only Mid-Atlantic Region teams counted as regional games for F&M. So F&M could play Mary Washington in-region but not Shenandoah, which is closer. It could play an AMCC team if it wanted but it had to make sure it got the right one, because some were in the Great Lakes. You'd end up having to drive past teams that were closer to get to some teams in your region.

Over time, there were additions made -- the 200-mile rule was added in order to make things make more sense -- you continue to get rewarded for playing teams in your area. Then the administrative regions were added, giving coaches even more flexibility in who they can schedule and still have it count toward the primary criteria. Now F&M can schedule anyone in the state of PA and anyone in the state of NY -- that may not sound like much but it actually encompasses about a quarter of Division III and adds maybe 50 teams to the slate of possible in-region opponents for F&M.

2) Maps have borders and borders divide things. Sometimes it doesn't make sense mathematically -- think of it this way from an F&M perspective. How come you can drive an hour or so one direction and be in Maryland, but drive maybe four hours in another direction and still be in Pennsylvania? So, yes, someone in Texas can have a regional game against someone in Washington state, but that's still only a quarter of Division III schools. They are vast distances, but each of those four administrative regions only covers a quarter of Division III. The American West is just huge, and there are a bunch of states with no Division III schools whatsoever -- Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, New Mexico, Kansas, Oklahoma, North Dakota. And there's just one in Nebraska, one in South Dakota and one in Colorado.

If you drew a line from, say, Roanoke to Portland, Maine, you practically trip over D-III schools. But the rest of the country doesn't have as much D-III presence.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: F@M on February 10, 2011, 12:21:35 PM
Do you have the 4 regions available to post?  I remember seeing that Delaware and Virginia were not together.  In fact I think I remember Virginia could play games in Florida and the Dominican Republic and not Delaware? I understand where the logic started and the idea of attempting to create an equal system.  However, it appears that they took a good idea too far and because of the unbalanced amount of division 3 teams throughout the country they continued to make more decisions based on the first idea to try to make an unbalanced map balanced.  Illinois and Michigan is another interesting one.  Look at the states they can play. 

A game is a game. 

Why are we relying on a numbers system that obviously does not work?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2011, 12:32:05 PM
For geographic regions are fairly simple - I have at least two memorized:

Zone 1: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
Zone 2: Pennsylvania and New York

Can't remember the other zones except that Zone 4 is pretty much the western half of the US.

By the way, you are missing my other point... if you are talking about Wesley and Virginia Wesleyan for example (Virginia and Delaware), they are within 200 miles of one another... so it counts. Don't forget that 200 mile radius... it does come in handy for many teams like in Delaware and such.

And as long as regions are emphasized, presidents don't want monster travel expenses, etc., you are not going to get into a every-game-counts situation. There is also an underlying feeling that schools that can't afford huge trips across the country for games would then be at a disadvantage of others that do.

Finally... you mention the Dominican Republic... last I checked no game counts there as a regional game except if your opponent qualifies as a regional team. If F&M and York played in Phoenix, it would count as a regional game. But if F&M played Whitworth in Las Vegas... it wouldn't.

By the way, F&M is also hurting in the regional rankings because they play so many games at home. The SOS deemphasizes (sp?) those games with a 0.6 multiplier versus a 1.4 for away games. Just something to consider for a program that plays a large number of games at home each season (and they are not the only ones).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2011, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: F@M on February 10, 2011, 12:21:35 PM
Do you have the 4 regions available to post?  I remember seeing that Delaware and Virginia were not together.  In fact I think I remember Virginia could play games in Florida and the Dominican Republic and not Delaware? I understand where the logic started and the idea of attempting to create an equal system.  However, it appears that they took a good idea too far and because of the unbalanced amount of division 3 teams throughout the country they continued to make more decisions based on the first idea to try to make an unbalanced map balanced.  Illinois and Michigan is another interesting one.  Look at the states they can play. 

A game is a game. 

Why are we relying on a numbers system that obviously does not work?

F@M -- it's in the FAQ, which is linked at the bottom of my post.

Again with the map, borders have to be drawn. Virginia is with West Virginia and Ohio and Georgia and the like. The line has to be drawn somewhere to maintain four equal regions.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2011, 12:53:26 PM
Quote from: F@M on February 10, 2011, 12:21:35 PM
Why are we relying on a numbers system that obviously does not work?
By the way... I take exception to this... I think it does work compared to the old days and the "old boys network". There was a time 8 teams from the Mid-Atlantic made the tournament no matter how bad teams 4-8 might actually be while leaving teams in very difficult regions out that should have been there. That wasn't fair either to the national tournament.

This isn't the ECAC's where teams just played in their region for a title. It is the NCAA's and they try and make the tournament as national as possible within a regional scope. It has come a long way from the mandate of x-number of teams from a region, no matter what, the QOWI, and nothing counting more then what was directly in your region.

It isn't perfect and we all know that... but is isn't like the system doesn't work. We have had far better inclusion of the top teams and far better competition to determine a national champion then say ten years ago.

And it isn't like the system is so secret coaches and schools don't know about it. We talk about it often on these boards and in articles and we all know the information is being conveyed by the NCAA and committees to everyone - including ourselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: F@M on February 10, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
Region 1: Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont.

Region 2: New York, Pennsylvania.

Region 3: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.

Region 4: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

Pat, 

Does it make sense that Michigan can play teams in Puerto Rico and not Illinois if they are more than 200miles away?  Illinois can play teams Hawaii, Alaska and California as regional games?   

As far as Wesley they can play teams in maine and 2 Loses against Christopher Newport 217 miles away in Virginia don't count?

The Index for home and away games and the numbers don't add up correct. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2011, 03:35:27 PM
Quote from: F@M on February 10, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
Region 1: Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont.

Region 2: New York, Pennsylvania.

Region 3: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.

Region 4: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

Pat,  

Does it make sense that Michigan can play teams in Puerto Rico and not Illinois if they are more than 200miles away?  Illinois can play teams Hawaii, Alaska and California as regional games?  

As far as Wesley they can play teams in maine and 2 Loses against Christopher Newport 217 miles away in Virginia don't count?

The Index for home and away games and the numbers don't add up correct.  


Yes.

It does.

Because each quadrant encompasses one-quarter of Division III. These are additions to the previous rules, so everything is a bonus.

Things have changed since, just to throw out a couple names at random, Tom Murphy and Glenn Robinson were running the show on the Division III national committee, F@M, but they haven't changed in more than four years, not in terms of regional games. Anything that was a regional game for F&M in 2006-07 is a regional game today (with the exception of a couple new schools coming in, like Penn State-Harrisburg or SUNY-Cobleskill or Morrisville State). Nobody at F&M should be surprised by what constitutes a regional game.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2006/08/21/its-official-the-regions-expand/

Now, as to whether home/away should be reflected somewhere, I actually think they should be, so I guess we disagree there, too. I don't agree that it should be taken into account to the strength it is right now, but it should be a factor. There should be some incentive to getting out of your gym and playing. The Quality of Wins Index, and I may have to hold my nose while I say this, did do one thing right, in valuing away games more than home games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 10, 2011, 03:48:04 PM
hi f@m.  lets face it, the NCAA botches stuff up at the D1 level where there is over bilions of dollars at stake.  at the end of the day though, i think the week 2 regional ranking is a moot point in terms of F&M.  

looking at the NCAA selection gude page 16
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf

i dont think F&Ms current regional ranking is going to hurt it when being considered for the field (or for seeding).  theres a logjam of regional winning % from 4-9.  I dont think GM, or keystone or desales has built a better tourney resume than F&M, and honestly SMC might be in the same boat depending on what happens in their rematch with Wesley.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2011, 04:32:30 PM
Just remember F&M fans... that "what is a regional game and what isn't" is the exact same criteria that existed when F&M made it's run to the Final Four a few years back... it hasn't changed in maybe five years.

The SOS multiplier was added this year... but that wasn't a surprise either... the NABC Conference was the ones that asked for it to be included so coaches knew it was going to be a factor.

F&M has played a vast majority of their games at home this year - like every other year - and they have lost important games and others they should not have lost on the road. Win against McDaniel or others and you wouldn't be complaining about sitting #9 in the regional rankings... you would be higher and your SOS probably wouldn't be as low, either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 10, 2011, 06:57:07 PM
If you just win, all the requirements don't matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 11, 2011, 12:07:09 AM
My first question, and maybe Pat/Dave can answer, why is Ithaca considered an in region loss for F&M?  The school is out of region and is 235 miles away.  Are they incorrect or is there something i am missing?

One concept that always bothers me about the mainstream media, especially at the D1 level, is that of "bad losses."  When putting together a tournament field, you are not talking about picking the best team in the country (ie College football FBS).  You are talking about finding a 60+ team field of deserving entrants.  There are not 60 perfect teams in the country, and teams are allowed to lose games (especially on the road).  It's unfair to the McDaniels and Muhlenbergs of the world to say otherwise. 

I'd much rather have a team with quality wins over one with bad losses.  F&M's problem is bad luck, they lack quality regional wins because of an underwhelming conference, and both albright and wesley losing their respective opening round games during pre-Conference tournament season.  So you look thru the region: gwynedd mercy and keystone really havent beaten anyone in region either.  and desales and etown arent exactly showing a must-in resume.  i'm actually surprised scranton isnt in better shape in the rankings. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2011, 12:21:14 AM
 Ithaca is in-region for F@M by being in the same admin region(Pa./NY). That means anybody F@M plays that is in Pa. or NY is in-region.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2011, 12:48:34 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 11, 2011, 12:07:09 AM
My first question, and maybe Pat/Dave can answer, why is Ithaca considered an in region loss for F&M?  The school is out of region and is 235 miles away.  Are they incorrect or is there something i am missing?

Check the administrative regions F@M quotes in one of his posts from earlier Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2011, 01:38:20 AM
F&Mers,
  Coach Robinson mentioned in his Hoopsville interview a January admit that is newly helping the team. Is this somebody who graduated early from high school(Dec), or couldn't get in September and had to wait for room in Jan, or some other program?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2011, 06:29:57 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 11, 2011, 12:07:09 AM
One concept that always bothers me about the mainstream media, especially at the D1 level, is that of "bad losses."  When putting together a tournament field, you are not talking about picking the best team in the country (ie College football FBS).  You are talking about finding a 60+ team field of deserving entrants.  There are not 60 perfect teams in the country, and teams are allowed to lose games (especially on the road).  It's unfair to the McDaniels and Muhlenbergs of the world to say otherwise. 

I'd much rather have a team with quality wins over one with bad losses.  F&M's problem is bad luck, they lack quality regional wins because of an underwhelming conference, and both albright and wesley losing their respective opening round games during pre-Conference tournament season.  So you look thru the region: gwynedd mercy and keystone really havent beaten anyone in region either.  and desales and etown arent exactly showing a must-in resume.  i'm actually surprised scranton isnt in better shape in the rankings. 

There is such thing as a bad loss... which usually means there is no rhymn or reason a team lost that game. Case in point, F&M at McDaniel. There is no reason F&M should have lost that and being it was on the road it actually hurt their SOS. That would be considered a "bad" loss, IMHO.

I am not being unfair to McDaniel nor Muhlenberg... those are great wins for them,  but they are a combined 23-22 on the season and if you are a team that should be considered a national contender... and by your own submission the region and the conference are underwhelming... you have to win those games. You can't just throw away games and chalk it up to "no one is perfect."

Per your Wesley and Albright thought, you also can't count on teams to win their opening games in a four-team tournament as a way of boosting your OWP, OOWP, SOS, and in-region record. If you need that game, book it as the first game and worry about the second game later.

And for Scranton... three losses on the road in conference action is not only going to hurt your record in region... it is going to hurt your SOS... and it's going to hurt your chances at a Pool C bid. Scranton has certainly won a lot of games at home... but the SOS emphasizes games on the road. Neither Scranton or F&M have proven they can win road games, especially in conference, with any sort of consistency. With an SOS index, you have to prove you can win outside of your own gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2011, 07:24:04 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2011, 06:29:57 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 11, 2011, 12:07:09 AM
I'd much rather have a team with quality wins over one with bad losses.  F&M's problem is bad luck, they lack quality regional wins because of an underwhelming conference, and both albright and wesley losing their respective opening round games during pre-Conference tournament season.  So you look thru the region: gwynedd mercy and keystone really havent beaten anyone in region either.  and desales and etown arent exactly showing a must-in resume.  i'm actually surprised scranton isnt in better shape in the rankings. 

And for Scranton... three losses on the road in conference action is not only going to hurt your record in region... it is going to hurt your SOS... and it's going to hurt your chances at a Pool C bid. Scranton has certainly won a lot of games at home... but the SOS emphasizes games on the road. Neither Scranton or F&M have proven they can win road games, especially in conference, with any sort of consistency. With an SOS index, you have to prove you can win outside of your own gym.


They have 2 losses, not 3- Drew,MMA.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 11, 2011, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2011, 06:29:57 AM
There is such thing as a bad loss... which usually means there is no rhymn or reason a team lost that game. Case in point, F&M at McDaniel. There is no reason F&M should have lost that and being it was on the road it actually hurt their SOS. That would be considered a "bad" loss, IMHO.

The McDaniel loss should not have surprised anyone who follows F&M closely. And in my opinion, there is rhyme or reason the Dips lost that game: F&M hasn't won in Westminster in five years, and hasn't even cracked 60 points in the last three trips to the Gill Center. McDaniel frustrates F&M with a packed-in zone every year down there. McNally and Baker have never won in that gym -- it's become the most difficult CC road trip for F&M each year. So, I don't think that's a bad loss for F&M, although I understand why the numbers say otherwise.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 11, 2011, 10:48:48 AM
ronk- thanks for the help.  makes sense now.

I just dont see much difference between a 13-2 conference record you win by 3 games or a 15-0 conference record you win by 5 games.  I wouldnt feel any more or less impressed about their resume had they beaten two additional .500 teams on the road.  I still think, as D3hoops does, that F&M is the second best team in the region.

The issue is whether or not F&M has built a Tournament resume for either a Pool C bid or higher seeding purposes.  F&M will have their 20+wins (21-4 in region if they win out).  But honestly, the only thing that stands out will be the way theyve played down the stretch.  Dave makes a great point, what factors show a committee that you have the ability to win in the tournament:  winning on the road is one of them.  IF F&M finishes 7-2 in conf on road, i think thats a good indicator. 

The other factor, in my opinion, is beating quality opponents.  F&M doesnt really have that, but few in the region do.  Thats why i pointed to Scranton.  They defeated MM, Kean and Cabrini.  Same with Cabrini who swept Keystone and GM.  Still two weeks to go though, going to be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2011, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 11, 2011, 10:48:48 AM
ronk- thanks for the help.  makes sense now.

I just dont see much difference between a 13-2 conference record you win by 3 games or a 15-0 conference record you win by 5 games.  I wouldnt feel any more or less impressed about their resume had they beaten two additional .500 teams on the road.  I still think, as D3hoops does, that F&M is the second best team in the region.

The issue is whether or not F&M has built a Tournament resume for either a Pool C bid or higher seeding purposes.  F&M will have their 20+wins (21-4 in region if they win out).  But honestly, the only thing that stands out will be the way theyve played down the stretch.  Dave makes a great point, what factors show a committee that you have the ability to win in the tournament:  winning on the road is one of them.  IF F&M finishes 7-2 in conf on road, i think thats a good indicator. 

The other factor, in my opinion, is beating quality opponents.  F&M doesnt really have that, but few in the region do.  Thats why i pointed to Scranton.  They defeated MM, Kean and Cabrini.  Same with Cabrini who swept Keystone and GM.  Still two weeks to go though, going to be interesting.


Also take a look at the regionally ranked Keystone who lost to Marywood on the road last night. (They also lost at home to Marywood)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pticknor on February 11, 2011, 11:43:04 AM
The Chestertown Spy recently put together a video profile of Washington College men's basketball. Many of the themes of the piece ring true throughout Division III athletics.

http://www.chestertownspy.com/spy-profile-washington-college-basketball/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2011, 12:44:26 PM
Thanks for the correction on Scranton - I was thinking about their back-to-back losses that one particular weekend when I was writing that and neglected to then add their third loss.

Per road wins... remember the SOS... home wins now have a multiplier of .6 while road wins have a multiplier of 1.4. Beat McDaniel and you get a boost - no matter how much - to your SOS... lose and you gain nothing. Play only a handful of games on the road, you leave yourself far less leway when it comes to the SOS... AND you don't gain anything, may actually lose, with your home record. That is what has happened with F&M, Scranton, and especially Amherst in the Northeast.

I am not sure F&M can rest on a Pool C bid... they have taken some losses on the road they needed to win. I don't care if they can't win at McDaniel in the last five years... you have to win games to prove you deserve an at-large bid. The loss to McDaniel and Muhlenberg to me doesn't indicate a better team or they are are deserving of a bid.

Remember... every game counts from November 15th to February 27th. With only 18 at-large bids, if you don't win your conference, any in-region loss is going to hurt and any in-region loss to .500 or worse teams on the road looks bad.

pticknor - thanks for the article. Appreciate the read.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: kate on February 11, 2011, 12:57:46 PM
Pticknor, thanks so much for sharing this - it's fantastic, makes me want to go to Washington College's site right now and check em out :)!  Thanks, again!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 11, 2011, 02:08:56 PM
Dave, good stuff.  To clarify, from everything i'm reading in the NCAA handbook, i dont see any "stength of victory" criteria in relation to the .6 and 1.4 multipliers.  I think its Home Games played have a multiplier of .6, while road games played have a multiplier of 1.4 (regardless of the game's outcome) to determine the strength of schedule criteria.  So thus, whether or not F+M beat Muhl/McD, they'd still get the multiplier.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
OK - let me start over just a bit... I hope you don't mind... I might have a better way to make sense of this for everyone.

First off, this is from the handbook:

Here it is in the handbook:
"Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-11), a weighted scale will apply. Once the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are to be combined on a weighted scalre (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3 weight for OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.

"Home/Away Multiplier. A multiplier of 1.4 shall be added to the OWP for those games played away from home. In addition, the same multiplier (1.4) shall be included for those games played on the road for the OOWP. A multiplier of 1/0 (no positive or negative effect) will be included in the OWP and OOWP for all neutral games. A multiplier of 0.6 shall be included in the OWP and OOWP for all home games."

With that considered... let me see if I can explain how this may work in the eyes of committee members and rankings and I will try and use F&M as an example.

Take F&M's OWP from teams they played at home, but NOT counting the win or the loss (or both, if necessary) and multiply by 0.6. Take F&M's OOWP the same way and multiply by the 0.6.
Now, take F&M's OWP from teams they played on the road, but NOT counting the win or the loss (or both, if necessary) and multiply by 0.6. You do the same for OOWP.

That creates your OWP and your OOWP which is weighted as you can read above.

So... here are my points:
Compare a team that is undefeated in region, has mostly home games, and as a result their SOS is very low (say .350) to a team that has two regional losses with a 50/50 split of their home and road games with an SOS that is reasonable (say .510). The committee may look at that and say, "well, the undefeated team is undefeated, but they should be against that weighted schedule and at home while the other team is playing a toughed weighted schedule and are at least winning games on the road... we'll rank the 2-loss team higher."

F&M is in this boat... they have played a majority of their games at home... they SOS isn't that stellar... they have lost games they shouldn't be losing, especially on the road, so the committee in the region is saying... they are #9. If F&M had won those "bad" road losses, their in-region winning percentage would be better and while their SOS might not be different (it could change - long story)... they would at least be seen as going on the road and winning... not as a team that can't seem to really win on the road, especially against top teams (SMC) or .500 or lower teams.

Just a hypothetical and something to ponder.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 11, 2011, 09:53:27 PM

Here are my selections for tomorrow's "Pick-Em" Games:

Ursinus over Johns Hopkins
McDaniel over Muhlenberg
Dickinson over Haverford
F&M over Swarthmore
Gettysburg over Washington

I will be traveling to Tarble Pavilion to see the Diplomats play at Swarthmore. Good luck. Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 11, 2011, 02:08:56 PM
Dave, good stuff.  To clarify, from everything i'm reading in the NCAA handbook, i dont see any "stength of victory" criteria in relation to the .6 and 1.4 multipliers.  I think its Home Games played have a multiplier of .6, while road games played have a multiplier of 1.4 (regardless of the game's outcome) to determine the strength of schedule criteria.  So thus, whether or not F+M beat Muhl/McD, they'd still get the multiplier.

Yes, that's correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2011, 10:57:16 AM
I'd like to echo Kate's post...thanks for sharing that link Phil.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 13, 2011, 10:47:28 AM
DocMarc is back!   As we hit the stretch run of the regular season and into the CC tourney at Mayser Center on what will soon be Glenn Robinson court, I am here to restore order in the ranks!

First of all, I would like to congratulate Glenn Robinson.  Who will argue that there is anyone better?  Next weekend will be a Homecoming of sorts for F&M basketball alumni.  Friday night there will be a ceremony at Interim President John Burness' house.  I am awaiting my invitation.  Mchugh, will D3hoops be covering this exclusive gala?  How about a live hoops ville?  On Saturday night there will be a court dedication and ceremony after the game against Dickinson.  Hope to see many of you there.  D3 hoops should be covering these events LIVE!  Do not allow ESPN2 to take all of the credit that you should have!

Speaking of ESPN 2, Coach Glenn Robinson's interview on Cold Pizza/ First Take/ Sportscenter/ Sportsnation/ etc on Wednesday promoted F&M basketball nationwide and that the game would be available via the F&M website.  Now I went to the game in Gettysburg, but then I am told that F&M allowed Gburg the right to show the video of the game.  And then Gburg charges folks to see the game on line.  THAT IS PATHETIC.  WHERE IS PAT COLEMAN TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES???  Many fans probably missed the game because they made a D3 hoops game PAY PER VIEW!!! WHAT!!

I would also like to comment on the Swarthmore fans yesterday.  Get up for your games!   There was an overrated chant for 2 seconds and then I saw its fans going for a free buffet.  Was there an email going out to the campus inviting people to come because of a free buffet.  SAD!

Now onto F&M, I like the lineup right now.  I am little worried that McNally is now relegated to the bench and barely getting 20 minutes of play- he is the leading scorer in F&M history.  But the lineup is more athletic and is handling the zone nicely.  I blame the slow start in the 1st half yesterday to Beckford being out for the half because of 2 early fouls and there has to be that 800 hangover.  9th or 1st in the region- this team is reaching the sweet 16.  From there, who knows?  Depends on the draw.  This Friday- Saturday format is not fair- especially with back to back nights of games and being on the roads? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 13, 2011, 01:45:47 PM
QuoteSpeaking of ESPN 2, Coach Glenn Robinson's interview on Cold Pizza/ First Take/ Sportscenter/ Sportsnation/ etc on Wednesday promoted F&M basketball nationwide and that the game would be available via the F&M website.  Now I went to the game in Gettysburg, but then I am told that F&M allowed Gburg the right to show the video of the game.  And then Gburg charges folks to see the game on line.  THAT IS PATHETIC.  WHERE IS PAT COLEMAN TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES???  Many fans probably missed the game because they made a D3 hoops game PAY PER VIEW!!! WHAT!!

I generally agree with you.  As much as I enjoy Division III basketball, I'm yet to pay an online fee to watch a game.  That said, neither Pat Coleman nor anyone else from D3hoops.com has control over which schools charge a fee to watch their games.  That's an individual decision of each school.  I believe F&M and Gettysburg both charge a fee to watch their games online.

One addition: Dave McHugh spoke with Coach Robinson about his landmark win on Hoopsville on Thursday.  You can listen the archived interview here.  It starts at the 11 minute mark.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12604056
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
Quote from: docmarc on February 13, 2011, 10:47:28 AM
DocMarc is back!   As we hit the stretch run of the regular season and into the CC tourney at Mayser Center on what will soon be Glenn Robinson court, I am here to restore order in the ranks!

First of all, I would like to congratulate Glenn Robinson.  Who will argue that there is anyone better?  Next weekend will be a Homecoming of sorts for F&M basketball alumni.  Friday night there will be a ceremony at Interim President John Burness' house.  I am awaiting my invitation.  Mchugh, will D3hoops be covering this exclusive gala?  How about a live hoops ville?  On Saturday night there will be a court dedication and ceremony after the game against Dickinson.  Hope to see many of you there.  D3 hoops should be covering these events LIVE!  Do not allow ESPN2 to take all of the credit that you should have!

Speaking of ESPN 2, Coach Glenn Robinson's interview on Cold Pizza/ First Take/ Sportscenter/ Sportsnation/ etc on Wednesday promoted F&M basketball nationwide and that the game would be available via the F&M website.  Now I went to the game in Gettysburg, but then I am told that F&M allowed Gburg the right to show the video of the game.  And then Gburg charges folks to see the game on line.  THAT IS PATHETIC.  WHERE IS PAT COLEMAN TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES???  Many fans probably missed the game because they made a D3 hoops game PAY PER VIEW!!! WHAT!!


Lots of schools have their games online solely on a pay per view setup. F&M's was that way just a couple years ago, which is what Gordon remembers.

F&M doesn't have to give Gettysburg the right to do anything with Gettysburg's home game. It's their game to do as they please. The only group that could overrule that would be the conference, if the conference wanted to do something with a conference game. And the NCAA has its own jurisdiction over NCAA Tournament games.

I appreciate your enthusiasm -- we're not ESPN, though, and we don't have the budget or people to do that sort of thing. We're lucky to have a couple parts of the country where we can do some extra broadcasts on Saturdays, but midweek, we all have jobs. :)

The D3sports.com annual budget wouldn't even cover my salary, let alone paying for other stuff like broadcasts or server space and bandwidth to put the site out there. Doc -- if you know of a benefactor that has a six-figure check, though ... :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 13, 2011, 06:07:25 PM
"I would also like to comment on the Swarthmore fans yesterday.  Get up for your games!   There was an overrated chant for 2 seconds and then I saw its fans going for a free buffet.  Was there an email going out to the campus inviting people to come because of a free buffet.  SAD!"

I didn't see it like this at all. I thought the crowd was great. I also thought Swarthmore put up a heck of fight with their #2 scorer not playing because of injury and their #3 scorer barely playing because of an injury. To only lose by 10 (after getting beaten by over 40 earlier in the season) was pretty darn good.

Swarthmore is basically playing with all Freshmen and Sophomores this year, so I feel they will be much improved next year. Kober, Federer, and Cheney are all quality Freshmen that will all start next year. I see Swarthmore having the same starting five for the next two years, which will help a lot. Look for Kober to average 15-16 next year as he is a real talent (great kid too). I also see the backcourt of  Martinez and Federer as being much improved. Do I see them winning the conference - no. Do I feel they will be very competitive over the next two years - yes. I forsee a year where they finish .500.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 13, 2011, 07:44:36 PM


Folks -

Here are the "Pick-Ems" results for last week's games and the to-date standings:

NAME   LAST WEEK   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
R. W. McNickles   0 – 0   1 – 0   1.000
Reserved Seat   6 – 4   31 – 13    .705
HighHoops   0 – 0    13 – 6    .684
Gabriel   7 – 3    38 – 18    .679
Diplomaniac1   8 – 2    33 – 18    .647
BRCE4   0 – 0    0 – 0    .000

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 13, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
Swat Dad- the crowd was mostly made up of the away group.  The F&M crowd was passionate and into the game a great deal.  And that is sad because Swarthmore kids did play a good game- tough zone and shooting well in the first half.

Coleman- money comes from sponsorship.  If Coke Zero can have a booth at Salem, how are they not a sponsor for this website.  SPONSORS PAY THE BILLS and potentially your salary.  Look at how certain sites out there got huge- like jump the shark.com, etc.

Gordanmann- Also, F&M does not charge for online video feed.  Gettysburg can charge, but Division 3 basketball had a golden opportunity based on the national spotlight it received with the G Rob interview on ESPN 2 and the articles in the NY times and Philly Inquirer.  I know at least a dozen people that went online to watch the game and then decided to go back to ESPN and watch G-town/ Syracuse because they would have had to pay $6 to watch that game.  That is serious missed opportunity for D3 hoops! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2011, 11:39:42 PM
docmarc -- it takes about triple the traffic we have to get that kind of sponsorship. Coke Zero is in Salem because it's an NCAA event. We're not affiliated with a larger entity like that.

I'm aware sponsors pay the bills! They pay ours, too, just not in a large way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 14, 2011, 12:02:27 AM
Well the Lusty one is back from a great weekend of basketball and poker in Southeast PA.  I think it is a great credit to Coach Robinson the way he reinvented this team during the season, and F&M is starting to play like the top defensive team it was a year ago. 

The Swat atmosphere was nothing to write home about, but it was what it was.  The school just isnt known for basketball, but at least the few fans didnt embarrass themselves with stupid chants the way Ursinus students usually do.  Hopefully this will be the last such type of atmosphere has to play in this season
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 14, 2011, 08:22:21 AM
Lusty-  the overrated chant at Swarthmore lasted only a few seconds.  At least there were not any safety school chants. 

Well it is official that the centennial conference tourney will be in Lancaster at the Mayser Center.  See everyone there!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 14, 2011, 08:43:46 AM
Picks for the week

2/16/2011
Muhlenberg over Haverford----in a dogfight with home court winning
Dickinson over Gettysburg---another close one with home court winning
Ursinus over Washington---Bears playing much better lately
F&M over JHU---Dips just so much better
Swat over McDaniel---Swat is due and they are at home

2/19/2011
JHU over Washington---for pride
Gettysburg over McDaniel---home court in a close one
Haverford over Swat---Fords fight for survival
F&M over Dickinson---Dips finish strong
Ursinus over Muhlenberg---Bears continue their come back

Wow!  If all of this happens, playoffs are in a turmoil. I just hope!


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 15, 2011, 02:08:01 PM
F&M makes top 15 of the rankings and is top ranked Mid Atlantic team.  I think this is clearly based on recent play over season wide play.  My stats show F&M has been significantly improved on defense during the year, but theyre just not what they were a year ago.  However, where they have dramatically improved is on offense.  My stats show, per possession, their play the last nine games would put them right around where Williams and UWSP were entering the tournament a year ago.  Obviously, these stats are not adjusted for opponent quality, but if F&M can maintain where they've been the last month or so, i see no reason why they cannot make another deep tournament run.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 16, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
Can't make it out to a game tonight? Enjoy all the action on your computer at the Conference's "C-Zone" - our one-stop channel. We'll have cameras at all five venues and you can also join in the conversation on our live blog or on Twitter. Be part of the action!

C-Zone: http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/c-zone
Live Blog: http://centennialconference.blogspot.com/2011/02/centennial-hoops-tonight.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:29:58 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2011, 04:12:58 PM
This week's guesses

2/16/2011
Muhlenberg--home court --Liddic,Curry
Dickinson--young and improving
Ursinus--still sticking with Bears
F&M--too many options
Swat--pure guess

2/19/2011
Gettysburg--Powers 'swan song'
Haverford--hustle to victory
F&M--senior night
Muhlenberg---Ursinus struggles
Washington--another pure guess
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 16, 2011, 05:28:06 PM


Folks -

Here are my picks for tonight's games:

Muhlenberg over Haverford (@ the Mule Barn)
Gettysburg over Dickinson (Bullets really need a win)
Ursinus over Washington (at home and just a bit better)
F&M over Johns Hopkins (just better all around)
McDaniel over Swarthmore (more athletic)

Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 17, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
another good win for fandm last night.  theyve finally gotten to dominating these conference games the way we expected.  I started to take a look at Pool C.  Right now, i see at minimum 14 Pool C candidates that would be good competition for F+M if the Diplomats lose in the conference tournament, and thats not counting the CSAC 2-3.  Throw them in and thats 16.  With only 18 Pool C bids, i'm still fearful that F+M might have to win the CC to get a bid.

the good thing for F+M in these rankings is that whoever wins last usually wins best.  if they beat dickinson, they should be able to take a strong regional ranking into selection sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 17, 2011, 10:58:04 AM
It is not impossible that three teams could end up 10-8:
Gettysburg and McDaniel are each 10-7 and play each other so someone has to be 10-8
Ursinus beats Muhlenburg (Ursinus keeps getting better, Muhlenburg has injured players)
Haverford beats Swat

My interest as a Ford is what it takes for Haverford to qualify assuming they beat Swat which is never, ever a given. I assume McDaniel and Ursinus trump Haverford as each beat Franklin and Marshall. If, however, Gettysburg winds up 10-8, they will have been swept by McDaniel and F&M unlike the other teams and I think that gives the Fords the nod??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 17, 2011, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 17, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
the good thing for F+M in these rankings is that whoever wins last usually wins best.  if they beat dickinson, they should be able to take a strong regional ranking into selection sunday.

No matter if they beat Dickinson or not, if they lose in the CC semis, they'll likely be playing in ECACs. And maybe even with a semi win and loss in the title game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 17, 2011, 12:09:05 PM
to old, it was Muhlenberg, not ursinus that beat fandm. 

I'm not convinced F&M would not get in the NCAAs with a 22-5 overall record.  Right now, my best guess is pool c has the losers of the amcc, mwc, asc, ncac, e8, scac, uaa and wiac, along with 2 runners up in the nescac, odac and sky.  thats 14.  Then you get the conferences where the best team, a tournament caliber team, gets upset.  Those teams get thrown in the pool, along with the other Mid Atlantic teams i didnt mention above (GM, Keystone).  So Pool C could be as big as 24-26, as small as 14-16.  And even then i dont know where F&M falls in the minds of the committee. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: latitudee6423 on February 18, 2011, 12:57:16 AM
What are the playoff scenarios going into Saturday's games?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 18, 2011, 11:35:20 AM
this is my best stab at it:

winner of GBurg/McDaniel plays Dickinson in the 2/3.  If its mcdaniel (assuming a Dickinson loss to F&M), then Dickinson would wear white.  Not sure about the GB/Dickinson tiebreaker.

Mcdaniel has clinched a playoff bid by virtue of tiebreakers.  If GBurg loses, the Bullets clinch with either a haverford loss or an ursinus loss.  However, if GB loses and both ursinus and Haverford win, then gb is OUT and both ursinus and haverford are in as the 4/5 game.

If GB beats mcdaniel, then only haverford OR Ursinus can make it.  Ursinus owns the tiebreaker should both win.

Finally, if Haverford loses and muhlenberg beats ursinus, then muhlenberg is in as the 5.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 18, 2011, 07:11:08 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for tomorrow's "Pick-Em" games as follows:

Washington over Johns Hopkins (a real coin flip - just a hunch)
Gettysburg @ McDaniel (in Bream/Gettysburg still looking for playoff spot - needs it more than McDaniel)
Haverford over Swarthmore (a bit better)
F&M over Dickinson @Mayser)
Muhlenberg over Usinus (@ the Mule Barn)

Will be at Mayser tomorrow. Enjoy the games. Regards to all

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 19, 2011, 09:50:57 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 18, 2011, 11:35:20 AM
this is my best stab at it:

winner of GBurg/McDaniel plays Dickinson in the 2/3.  If its mcdaniel (assuming a Dickinson loss to F&M), then Dickinson would wear white.  Not sure about the GB/Dickinson tiebreaker.

Mcdaniel has clinched a playoff bid by virtue of tiebreakers.  If GBurg loses, the Bullets clinch with either a haverford loss or an ursinus loss.  However, if GB loses and both ursinus and Haverford win, then gb is OUT and both ursinus and haverford are in as the 4/5 game.

If GB beats mcdaniel, then only haverford OR Ursinus can make it.  Ursinus owns the tiebreaker should both win.

Finally, if Haverford loses and muhlenberg beats ursinus, then muhlenberg is in as the 5.

Thanks for the breakdown Larry. I think Ursinus will win going away in Allentown today, win the 4-5 game, and then play F&M in the semis. Since halftime of their game at F&M, the Bears have played very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 20, 2011, 08:35:59 PM
F&M's loss vs. Dickinson pretty much guarentees that the Dips will not be hosting any NCAA tournament games IF they make it that far.  The Dips must win the CC tournament to get in, in my opinion.  Does anyone think that they can get an at large bid?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 20, 2011, 11:19:50 PM
Doc,
it all depends on the depth of Pool C. iposted a few days ago that right now i see at least 14 competitive Pool C teams, and thats before conf tourney upsets.  I dont know where F&M falls in that mix of 14+.  but i would be surpised if they dont win the CC. its dickinson.  they havent been good in the15 years i've been watching CC BBall, and that'll continue. Good for them, they beat F&M in a tough to get up for end of season game. 

the only way F&m wll lose in CC tourney is with a chippy game like yesterday where the refs dont allow for the game of basketball to be played.  but should they lose, i think their resume will get them in. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 21, 2011, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 20, 2011, 11:19:50 PM
its dickinson.  they havent been good in the15 years i've been watching CC BBall, and that'll continue. Good for them, they beat F&M in a tough to get up for end of season game. 

the only way F&m wll lose in CC tourney is with a chippy game like yesterday where the refs dont allow for the game of basketball to be played.  but should they lose, i think their resume will get them in. 

This isn't the Dickinson of the past 15 years. Seretti is building a good program, and it would not surprise me at all if they win the conference next weekend, especially if F&M continues its recent trend of flat performances.

Saturday was a missed opportunity for F&M to climb in the regional rankings, as several teams above them (Cabrini, Wesley, DeSales) lost at least one game since last week. I don't think the Dips are going dancing without winning the CC. They have no signature wins, and have lost several games they shouldn't have.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2011, 05:03:36 PM
F&M definitely played flat and were out-hustled by Dickinson.  F&M has enough talent to win next weekend.  The seniors will understand the importance of this game, and F&M has avenged all their losses when given an opportunity.  My belief is that F&M needs to win their conference automatic bid to get into the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 22, 2011, 02:32:04 PM
February is my down month, so at the very least this has given me stuff to do while i'm at work.  Looking throughout Pool C, should F&M lose getting in will depend on where F&M fits among a certain pack of teams, namely GM and Keystone regionally as well as Wooster/Wabash loser nationally.  There are a few divisions where the top teams have beaten each other up, not sure how the committee will look at that, but i think F&M could be in a good spot even with a loss (i just think their resume is better than GM's and Keystones).

Either way, this board will blow up Monday with the annual debate over hosting of games / Pool C bids.  I just hope the committee doesnt send F&M back to a long island type, impossible to travel place for Round 1,2. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 22, 2011, 05:30:19 PM
Ok - I will try to make a stab at the All-Conference Team

1st Team:
-Georgio Milligan
-James McNally
-Spencer Liddic
-Andrew Powers
-Kevin Breslin
-Jon Ward

2nd Team:
-Will Gates
-Cam Baker
-Sam Permutt
-Matt Hilton
-Matt Dolan

POY - Either Liddic or Powers or maybe Milligan

Think I am at all close?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 22, 2011, 05:57:15 PM
Swat Dad,

I think you are  very close.  McNally may be hurt by being hurt.  Powers is probably POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 22, 2011, 08:11:15 PM
There is no way Will Gates is 1st team.  2nd team is even a reach, I see more of an honorable mention selection.  Of course you are going to score points when you jack up half your teams shots per game.  Shooting percentage is low and what else does he contribute when he is not hitting shots?  McNally is definitely a better player than Gates and should be awarded 1st team.  A concussion injury should not take away from his overall body of work.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 22, 2011, 08:55:32 PM
D3 - haven't heard from you in almost exactly a year. Your post is almost word for word what it was last year. He ended up second team last year, had a bigger year this year while facing box and ones most nights. McNally I put on the first team and he belongs there even though he missed some games. He is a real talent!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 22, 2011, 08:57:57 PM
Swat Dad, your picks look pretty good. I think the teams must have 5 players, with 3 post players and 2 guards, or 2 post players and 3 guards, depending on the voting. So, it will be very hard for 4 post players (Liddic, Powers, McNally, Ward) to make the first team.

It's hard to say how the coaches will treat McNally's injury when they vote. He is obviously a first-team player, but he still isn't back to his old self (and there are 3 other post players who had first-team type seasons). If the coaches leave McNally off the first team, here is what it might look like:

1st
F  Spencer Liddic, Muhlenberg
F  Andrew Powers, Gettysburg
F  Jon Ward, Ursinus
G  Georgio Milligan, F&M
G  Kevin Breslin, Washington

2nd
F James McNally, F&M
F Sam Permutt, Haverford
F Matt Dolan, Dickinson
G Will Gates, Swarthmore
G Cam Baker, Haverford

Close calls: Mike Baker, F&M; Matt Hilton, Ursinus

POY: Spencer Liddic
COY: Alan Seretti
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 22, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
RW - I had the same problem, but I looked at last year's first team and they had six players on it. I am torn with McNally as he is obviously a first team player, but not sure how they will look at missed games. I also like Mike Baker! So, I'll stick with my six. If they only pick five, I move Ward to second team and Hilton to honorable mention. I will say I was most impressed with Milligan this year. So calm and cool under pressure. Really a terrific player! If he ends up POY I will not be surprised.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 22, 2011, 09:51:25 PM
Let the upsets begin.
Pool C gets larger as Ramapo drops into Pool C.
Every upset makes it more important for F&M to win its conference title.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 23, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
honestly, i think Ramapo is in trouble moreso than F&M would be.  Ramapo does not have a signature win, at least just by glancing at the schedule.  Kean on the other hand has a few nice wins that i believe are considered in-region (alvernia, albright, desales, ramapo). And let it be known that since i'm trying to score with a girl from Ramapo, i'd love to see them advance and host my Dips.  That bias aside, i think Kean posts the better resume than both Ramapo and FandM.

Seat your point is well taken.  an expanded pool c would definitely make f&m sweat.  on the flip side though, if F&M does get a pool A berth, and more upsets occur, they could have a better shot at hosting. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 23, 2011, 02:16:18 PM


Folks -

Here is my best guess for tonight's "Pick-Em" game:

Haverford over McDaniel

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 23, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
I am confused at the second team and the honorable mention. I had most of the honorable mention on second team and the second team as honorable mention. The Haverford selections confuse me as I saw the the two as honorable mentions easily on the second team. Got the POY correct. Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 23, 2011, 03:32:22 PM
Here is a link to the All-CC team:

http://static.psbin.com/n/u/8yk9f8vu4mhjpi/All_CC_MBK.pdf

Congrats to Georgio Milligan on being named Player of the Year, and to all players recognized. I thought Liddic or Powers would be POY, but you can't go wrong with any of the three.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:34:49 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 23, 2011, 05:26:17 PM
i think its humorous that DMac practically spammed every single board on the site letting us know that regional rankings were posted, as if the regulars were too blind to see it on the d3 home page, or know that wednesday is the weekly regional rankings day.

The rankings are quite intriguing.  LVC jumps F&M on the heels of a long winning streak (despite really not beating anyone).  I'll be interested to see how things shake out, but the annual selection narrative can already be written.  There is a great dichotomy between the D3hoops rankings and the regional rankings, and with the emphasis on geographical matchups we will probably see a split that does not favor competitive balance, at least according to the D3hoops list. 

If you look at the past two years, the committee seems to have four geographical regions:  a Northeast, east/midatlantic, south/midwest, west.  But what top teams will anchor the east/midatlantic region?  Right now, youre looking at VA Wesleyan / RMC as the highest d3hoops ranked teams in that portion of the bracket, LaRoche will be sent to the midwest.  Oswego would be a great anchor, but they do not even make the sites top 25. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 23, 2011, 06:41:18 PM
first off this business of picking 2 guards and 3 big men for each team of the all conference is ridiculious. All conference or all league should be best players on the floor OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, PERIOD, regardless of the positions they play!!!!! For Jon Ward to not be on the first team is a crime. Dolan over him. Ward was second team last year as a freshman and improved on all his stats this year except his shooting % is a wash year to year. He led the Conference BOTH years in that stat catagory. He averaged 5 points more per game then Dolan 1 less rebound and shooting % of 130 points higher. He was a sneeze from being leading scorer in the conference, but the most important factor that goes unsaid most of the time with the REAL big men on all these all conference or all league teams is this. If you watched each Ursinus game this year Ward was double or even at times triple teamed every time he touched the ball and every shot that went up every big man on the opposing team looked to put a body on him. He put up his stats despite these defensive measures night in night out, in reality getting the s_it beat out of him, the times he went to the line show that.  And in closing this unwritten rule of juniors and seniors having an edge is garbage also. If 5 freshman outplayed the juniors and seniors then they deserve the accolades, PERIOD!! I'm biased but I also played this sport most of my life on all levels except the pros. What's fair is fair and this omission wasn't. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 23, 2011, 06:58:27 PM
Coco - I totally agree with you. I feel the exact same way. Three sophomores were in the top six in scoring...... At least Ward made the 2nd team and didn't go backwards from last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2011, 06:29:29 AM
Lusty - if I didn't do it, Pat would have done it. That is part of our job. We post on all active and relavent boards the rankings BECAUSE not everyone actually starts on the D3hoops site before coming here to the boards... and not everyone checks all the boards or any beyond their own conference's... so we are trying to be as informative as possible.

By the way... I have done it three out of the four weeks... thanks for noticing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2011, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 23, 2011, 05:26:17 PM
... as if the regulars were too blind to see it on the d3 home page, or know that wednesday is the weekly regional rankings day.

You'd be surprised.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 24, 2011, 05:22:07 PM
New guy to the board...

What's everyone's thoughts on tomorrow's semis?

My picks:

F&M over Haverford in a tight one... tough to win three straight vs. the Fords but Dips are playing for the seniors lives

Dickinson over Gettysburg... They finally figure out Powers and play big again...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on February 24, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
Also new to the board, long time reader and a first time poster. I am a Gettysburg fan, and from what I see, I am the only poster that will mention Gburg so I assume am their only fan on this board.
My first thought, how is Powers not the POY?? Milligan has a loaded team, two other 1,000pt scorers, and they finished where they should have, and actually lost some games the shouldn't have.  Not taking anything away from Milligan, he is a fabulous player with many skills.  BUT, Powers is playing with a bare cupboard, losing three players at the end of the 1st semester, which is about 30pts per game, and yet they finished in the third spot.  He has been double and triple teamed all year, he is the only player on the team averaging over 9ppg, and lead his team to an amazing finish this year.  They probably don't have any business winning some of the games they have won.  Also, his scoring increased when he lost his teammates, which is when all the teams only had to focus on him.  He clearly has done what a POY is suppose to do.  Take Milligan off that team, and they probably still finish in the 1 spot.  Just my thoughts.
Second thought in response to the last post, looking at the numbers, I think that Dickinson has already figured Powers out.  They have done the best against him than any other team. 

F&M over Haverford
Gburg over Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 25, 2011, 08:38:46 AM
Picks for Saturday

F&M over Haverford---Fords will play hard but not enough talent
Dickinson over Gettysburg---Powers alone is not enough

Regarding the POY selection, Powers, Liddic and Milligan were all deserving and I am sure the selection committee had a tough time with the decision.  I could not argue against any of the three.  Milligan's value does not always show up in the stats but opposing coaches know how good he is.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 25, 2011, 09:37:03 AM
LustyLarry's lines for this weekends games have been released.

Dickinson -3, o/u 118
F&M -12 o/u 132
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 25, 2011, 12:12:11 PM
Lusty-  I like Dickinson and the over and also F&M and the over.  F&M will beat Haverford handily and Dickinson with its zone will give Powers and the Bullets some trouble.

My concern for the Dips is a CC final vs. Dickinson.  The Dips had trouble with the zone last week and the Red Devils have some outside shooting. 

See everyone at the games this weekend!   The regional rankings still do not favor F&M having a great seed if they make the tournament.  They will be on the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 25, 2011, 01:09:43 PM
Doc, good insight as always.  the zone will be interesting should Dickinson meet F&M in the finals.  That said, if its F&M vs Dickinson, i would instill F&M as an 8-9 point favorite (probably 10 vs GBurg). 

please remember though, regional rankings are not the main criteria for determining site selection.  It is supposed to be geographical proximity of the four teams that make the pod.  that said, which direction will the ncaa go with these brackets?  would the F&M region be MA/South and some atl/east thrown in like last years?  Or will there be more NE like in 2009?  Until we know that we cant really say. 

Losses by Ramapo and Kean put a monkey wrench into things.  Ramapo would be a natural host site, but if St Josephs wins the sky, its probably too far to have them host.  So you have the number one Atlantic team unable to host, and teams 2 and 4 possibly not even in the tournament.  You look at Ithaca, Rochester and Oswego, those teams might not even be in F&M's bracket, and again are long distances unless there are other Northeast teams.  We move to mid altantic:  La roche wont be in fandm's bracket.  That leaves st. marys, the Cabrini/GM winner and the Macc, macf, land winners.  Remember too, VA Wesleyan and RMC need to go somewhere (its possible neither are geo centric to host pods). 

Theres a lot to consider, you just cant say oh, fandm's regional ranking is too low to host.  My thought is, if they do win the CC, F&M will host a pod with LVC/Alvernia winner, Scranton and a tough VA school.  That said, if the committee does indeed merge the NE with the MA this year, you're talking long trips to upstate NY or CT.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2011, 01:11:02 PM
St. Joe's on Long Island? It's not much further than Merchant Marine, well within the NCAA's 500-mile guideline.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: kate on February 25, 2011, 01:23:57 PM
Sometimes it's not the distance exactly, especially for old fans like us who still drive to games, but the crazy traffic.  I'm talking specifically of schools like Manhattanville, Kean, and any of those schools around the metro New York City area.  Love em to pieces, but depending on times of games - look out!  That drive to Lebanon Valley College, 78 West to 501 (Amish Country) & 422 into Annville suits us fine  :D  We attend DVC games with a gentleman who was talking to us about a league with just teams in the general area of the Delaware & Lehigh Counties.  DVC, Ursinus, GMC, Cedar Crest, Muhlenberg - you get the idea.  Yeh, like that ain't gonna happen  :o.  The way it looks, gas is only going to go higher.  BTW, this gentleman has Nothing to do with any of the colleges - just a fan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 25, 2011, 01:29:45 PM
yeah see kate you are exactly right.  St Joe's is another 45 miles east of Kings point, and that's a HARD 45 miles (impossible on a friday).  I think in that case, geo proximity will trump regional ranking, depending of course on which three teams are put into that pod.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2011, 01:37:14 PM
Agreed, but the NCAA guidelines only really care about number of miles. Sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 25, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
Quote from: docmarc on February 25, 2011, 12:12:11 PM
My concern for the Dips is a CC final vs. Dickinson.  The Dips had trouble with the zone last week and the Red Devils have some outside shooting. 

Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 25, 2011, 01:09:43 PM
Doc, good insight as always.  the zone will be interesting should Dickinson meet F&M in the finals.

Are you guys discounting Haverford, a team that also plays zone? Robinson talked about Haverford's 1-3-1 zone in today's paper. I think the Fords will advance if the Dips don't shoot well, setting up a neutral-site final.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 25, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
RW
i'm not discounting haverford, but its tough not to look at the results and understand that the Fords have struggled against F&M in recent years.  I'm only discussing the final now because Lusty Larry plans on being at the Casino/other not to be mentioned places after the game and thus wont be on the site! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 25, 2011, 02:21:16 PM
Fair enough, Larry. But I've seen some horrific shooting performances out of the Dips this year (although not against Haverford). Should the Dips be unable to hit the ocean from the beach, I think the Fords are good enough to advance. Whatever the case, I don't see F&M having an easy time tomorrow or Sunday, should they make it that far.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on February 25, 2011, 03:16:27 PM
From a neutral observer I like Gettysburg and F&M to meet for the Centennial conference championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on February 25, 2011, 04:11:50 PM
Everyone seems to be mentioning Dickinson's zone defense being a problem for Gettysburg.  But in their two games thus far, hardly any zone was played by Dickinson against Gburg. 
I look for Powers to have a breakout game against the Devils.  "Breakout" meaning against Dickinson.  He hasn't played well at all against them in both regular season meetings.  Kennedy carried them in their last meeting, scoring 18.  Should be a great weekend of basketball.  Best of luck to all teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: F@M on February 26, 2011, 01:28:19 AM
Pat,

Is their a place anywhere on d3hoops that contains an ongoing list of teams, and by region, that have received the AQ? Also a list of regular season champions that have been knocked out and pushed to pool C?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2011, 01:35:50 AM
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/25/whos-in-the-mens-tournament-2/

That's the list of automatic bids clinched.

Posters on the Pool C board track the Pool C picture.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 26, 2011, 12:25:57 PM

Folks -

I am just leaving now for Mayser Center and two basketball games.

My picks for today's games are as follows:

Gettysburg over Dickinson

F&M over Haverford.

Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 26, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
good day of bball today.  personally, i felt the referees in the fandm game were very good.  i only have two hopes for two night:

that the tables are good to me at the casino, and that Diplomaniac picks Dickinson to win tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 26, 2011, 09:52:56 PM
Lusty I was 3-1 off your lines.  I hit gburg and over and f and m game push.  Anyway I am setting the championship line at f and m -4. Over and under number at 130
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 26, 2011, 09:58:24 PM
Good afternoon of hoops in Mayser today. Dickinson is peaking and the Dips are missing something. I think the Devils are a bad matchup for F&M at several positions. Final score: Dickinson 74, F&M 68. ECAC time for the Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on February 27, 2011, 12:05:49 AM
The Dips wouldn't really go for an ECAC game would they??  My impression is that that is for a young and upcoming team trying to get more games under their belt.

Good day of basketball today.  Gettysburg just doesn't have the guards to give help to Powers.  Kennedy played a great first half and a good 2nd half.  Congrats to Powers on one of the best careers in Centennial history. 
Good luck to Dickinson and F&M tomorrow.  My hope is that Dickinson pulls the "upset."  Just can't stand Coach Robinson's behavior on the sideline.  But Georgio and Company are very tough.  No surprise really with whatever the outcome is. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 27, 2011, 09:50:26 AM
Bball-  glad you appreciate the antics of a coach who has won 803 games and gon to 5 final fours in 40 years!  Hoping for a Dickinson win in the CC final?  Why so the Dicks can be one and done in the NCAA tourney.  There is great representation for the Centennial Conference. 

Bball and others-  stop feeding into the anti F&M sentiment that sometimes exists about this time of year on this site.  Remember Pat Cummings in 2002???   Lusty will tell you about that.

Today F&M wins a tight one by 4.  McNally and Beckford are basically absent and they are still the most talented team in the CC.  With the loses by some of our regional friends, Glenn Robinson Court at Mayer Gym may be hosting 1st and 2nd round games with a F&M win today- which would be their 6th CC title!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2011, 02:18:40 PM

Lusty Larry -

You won't catch me picking the Devils. My blood bleeds blue after following the Diplomats for almost thirty-five years!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2011, 02:19:53 PM


Folks -

My pick for today is the Diplomats in a close win over Dickinson. Well, I am off to Mayser Center now. Enjoy the games. Regars to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on February 27, 2011, 04:26:49 PM
Sorry to have struck a cord with you domarc!  Didn't mean to upset you or anybody else on this forum.  I just know a little bit more about Coach Robinson and his recruiting(or lack there of) and coaching that gives me those sentiments.  Thanks for giving me his career records too, I didn't notice all of that by looking at their website for their basketball team.  Not sure if they are promoting their team or if the site is glorification of Coach Robinson! I suppose I would wonder why you would think that Dickinson would be one and done if they were to win?  Being that that would have meant they would have beaten F&M two out of three times!  Does that mean that F&M will be a one and done also??  As of now, it looks as though the Dips will be moving on anyway unless the Devils go on a run.  Good luck to the winner in the NCAA's!! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2011, 05:36:31 PM
Thank goodness, no more Pool C hypotheticals.
F&M played well enough to beat a scrappy Dickinson.
Now F&M just has to wait to see where they go.
Unfortunately, it won't matter to me since I have to go to my son's graduation from F-15 training.  Almost 4 years of training.  Can't miss it.  Hoping to get into the F-15 simulator.
Hopefully, McNally's knee will be better by the next game; but with McNally out of the line-up, Hayk has gotten an opportunity to develop his skills.
Baker, Tolliver, and McNally will have to keep their careers going.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 27, 2011, 05:42:25 PM
Bball-  this disrespect for Glenn Robinson will not be tolerated.  Who are you to talk about a great coach that way?  Did he coach his way to beating a tough Dickinson team.  And what do you expect f and m to do in terms of promotion?  The guy has given the school national attention. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 27, 2011, 06:21:12 PM
Docmarc, I think it is time to get a life...  Bball was simply stating his opinion.  After all this is a conference forum not just for F&M and Robinson supporters...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2011, 07:08:39 PM
Sixteen number one seeds did not win their conferences.  One number five seed actually won their conference automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 27, 2011, 07:26:01 PM
D3hoopsfan- get a life?  I don't have a life because I am responding to someone blasting F&M's coach and F&M.  What is this- Pat Cummings revisited?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 27, 2011, 10:53:45 PM
I made the point early in the week, i was not as scared of dickinson as most F&M supporters.  You have an up and coming squad against an established veteran group that had 12-13 post season games over the past two years.  Next season we'll see if Dickinson grows from this experience and takes the next step, or if this was as high as they'll get.

The game itself was marred by poor officiating.  As good i felt the officials were on saturday, they were that bad on Sunday.  the Devil's strategy (and mind you a good one) seemed to be to hand check and tug on jerseys and bump every chance they got and just hope the officials wouldnt call everything.  Then the refs would call some weak F&M fouls to try and even it out, as if it was their way to "control" the game.  Refs gotta be brave enough to call some T's early in game to keep the whole game from being as chippy as it was.  Basketball is not a sport for over-agressive play.  two hands on a ball carrier is a foul, so is a jersey pull, so is flailing out of control lunging at aball carrier.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on February 27, 2011, 11:13:20 PM
Agian I apologize docmarc.  Didn't realize you were such a Robinson fan! No disrespect, just my thoughts.  Next time you speak with Coach ask him when the last time he went out recruiting! You better hope his assistants do a better job this year with bringing in players than last year.  When this group graduates there will be a lot to replace. Then Glenn may realize how much he misses Chris Rogers!!  If it wasn't for Chris he wouldn't have the players he has! If you don't believe me, ask Coach how many times he saw McNally, Milligan, etc. play in high school????  I would think in terms of promotion they would promote their TEAM/PLAYERS, I believe they are the ones on the court!! I know this will fire you up, so this will be my last opinion post on THE LEGEND OF GLENN!
I would think that the Dips will be hosting now.  Best of luck! 
Great season for Dickinson! Their players and staff should be proud!! Great career for Dolan also!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: docmarc on February 27, 2011, 07:26:01 PM
D3hoopsfan- get a life?  I don't have a life because I am responding to someone blasting F&M's coach and F&M.  What is this- Pat Cummings revisited?

You might want to consider letting go of something that happened nine years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2011, 08:42:11 AM
An excellent defensive performance by F&M yesterday, maybe their best of the season. I thought Dickinson would knock off the Dips, especially given McNally's injuries and the way the Devils had been playing of late. Congrats to the Dips on their back-to-back CC titles and 22nd trip to NCAAs.

I could see the NCAA sending the Dips anywhere from Virginia to New England this weekend. This site's projections have the Dips playing Gwynedd-Mercy at Virginia Wesleyan, with St. Thomas, UW-River Falls and Whitworth also in that quarter of the bracket. That would certainly be interesting, but who knows. The only thing I'm fairly sure of is that F&M won't be at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 28, 2011, 09:00:18 AM
Coleman-  you are projecting that F&M plays Gwynedd-Mercy in the first round.  What is the basis of that?  Where do you project that F&M will be playing? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 09:10:01 AM
If this was a D1 tournament i'd be inclined to agree with the sites projections.  But i'd be shocked if the committee started separating geographically close teams.  i have a busy morning, so i doubt i'm gonna get to any analysis of a "projected" bracket before 1, but the committee at the very least is going to group the west schools together.  Too many teams travelling too far in Round 1, and i'm not sure what would happen in round 2
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 28, 2011, 09:32:02 AM
Coleman-  I would be surprised if F&M goes that far away for a 1st/ 2nd round start.  I could see Long Island, Central NY/ PA, or Cabrini. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 28, 2011, 09:44:59 AM
The D3 hoops bracket starts with F&M going to Norfolk, worse than if they had to do a play-in at Gwynedd (I'm not sure their gym qualifies) & then had to go to RMC. But the NCAA would then have fly all these team to California (if not MN or WI). The NCAA is too cheap to even consider this bracket. What I can say is where Dips go will be as unpredictable as going to Long Island was last year.

Plus, Scranton hosting Amherst is another one that stretches credibility, more likely Amherst would host, I think DMac said Scranton had a 0% chance to host (were never regionally ranked at all) & I'm inclined to agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 10:00:08 AM
DB, i'm hesitant to make a lot of criticism, since in 3 hours we'll find out the truth as it is.  but my take is this is D3hoops' wet dream bracket.  Its what they would like to see based on their top 25 all season, which the regional rankings have disagreed with all month.  I'm not saying it is or is not the most fair, but the NCAA is not going to base it on fairness.  D3hoops is not espn or CBS, so the ncaa doesnt care about the criticism that might come.  Their job is to create a tournament that will come in at or under budget.  This tournament with crazy driving and flying is just not going to happen. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 28, 2011, 10:12:26 AM
Bball-  I can understand after 40 years how you do not go out and recruit on your own as much.  Look at Joe Pa at Penn State- he has received the same criticism.  And it helped that basically their big recruits came from the same school/ area.  I do not see Glenn lasting too many more years-  there have been rumors that once he got to 800, he would retire.  What would have been if he had won a political seat a few years back?

Anyway, let's see where F&M plays- better not be too far away!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 12:28:04 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 10:00:08 AM
DB, i'm hesitant to make a lot of criticism, since in 3 hours we'll find out the truth as it is.  but my take is this is D3hoops' wet dream bracket.  Its what they would like to see based on their top 25 all season, which the regional rankings have disagreed with all month.  I'm not saying it is or is not the most fair, but the NCAA is not going to base it on fairness.  D3hoops is not espn or CBS, so the ncaa doesnt care about the criticism that might come.  Their job is to create a tournament that will come in at or under budget.  This tournament with crazy driving and flying is just not going to happen. 
Lusty - you clearly didn't read the bracket carefully enough... also, you should have listened to Hoopsville last night. We talked about how teams don't necessarily go to the closest host school... they could pass one, two, or even three on the way to where they are playing. There is a 500 mile drive at the most to play with and I know the committees work with that number to break-up regions and teams as much as they can.

Crazy flying is not going to happen... you are right... but look at last year's bracket as an example of travel for teams and you will see my point.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 12:42:51 PM
seeing i was in lancaster til 5pm for game / stopped at sands on 3 hour drive home to NJ, listening to hoopsville live would be not in the cards
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 12:46:03 PM
It's archived... easy to find... go to the front page of D3hoops and there is an article. 834 others have already checked it out! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 01:17:39 PM
the only word to describe that BS is despicable.  Conference winners that have a good regional ranking  should not have to go several hundred miles to face a team that did not win its conference.  the odac is not the nescac
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2011, 01:21:19 PM
Not a good selection.
F&M travels to Virginia Beach to play North Carolin Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 01:26:05 PM
the Commish needs to get involved.  #1cc team > #2csac team.  we shoudl be in GMC's spot traveling to ramapo and those losers should be traveling to VA Beach
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2011, 01:29:55 PM
usually a traffic backup at that tunnel in Hampton Roads.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 01:26:05 PM
the Commish needs to get involved.  #1cc team > #2csac team.  we shoudl be in GMC's spot traveling to ramapo and those losers should be traveling to VA Beach

F&M needs to schedule better to avoid this in the future, I guess.
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2011/bracket-released

Full bracket for those who need it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 01:35:02 PM
obviously theres nothing he can do, my point is to clarify that the CC should at least express anger at this ridiculousness.  the mileage difference between VAW hosting the pod and F&M hosting the pod is negligible.  F&M was reg season and conf champs.  we should be hosting this pod, or we should be in GMCs spot. PERIOD
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on February 28, 2011, 01:37:10 PM
We should not be in this pod- this is right.  But F&M has gained no favor from its not tough out of conference schedule- they were killed by the selection committee.  Winning the CC is no big deal I guess.  What is the word on NC Wesleyan?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 01:37:57 PM
Fact: F&M played 3 regular season conference champs.  please bring your scheduling argument to a board that needs it.  not this one

Doc and pat, please get your facts straight before posting
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2011, 01:46:39 PM
From NCW's site
15-1 to end the season
Dougherty(6'4") 15.4 pts  6.0 rebounds
Thomas(6'4") 13.8 pts.  6.5 rebounds
Murrqy(6'4") 12.6 pts.
Snow(6')
Nichols(6'3")
Yarbrough(6'7")
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 28, 2011, 01:56:38 PM
Old guy involved with CC since inception but very new to this board...

IMHO, there is still a 'hangover' with F&M since their 2009 Final Four run where they 'enjoyed' the home court run that, no doubt, helped them immensely...

I agree that G-M option would have been more logical... just look at the price of gas these days!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 28, 2011, 01:58:32 PM
Committee attempts to put Dips on a hoops equivalent of the Bataan death march. Team tried to make strong opposition (CMS turned out not to be as good as predicted & Wesley & Albright all lost in semis of F&M's dual 30-40 year old tournaments ruining the schedule strength, perhaps could have played a better road game instead of LBC, but that's only 1 game).

This is a 7-7.5 hour drive for me, it couldn't get any worse. Add to that an injured McNally & team will have to pull off two upsets for the ages just to get to a sweet 16. This is nearly a home game for Bishops who played at VWC during the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
i agree 100% with oft dip on this one.  still some resentment towards F&M over 09.  with all the losses this week i'm not gonna look bracket by bracket with regional rankings, but this is bad.  we should be in GMC's spot, but i think the committee is sticking it to us

i also think we're not getting enough credit for teams we played.  like i said, f&m played 3 out of conference teams that won their reg season conference.  how many other teams in nation can make that claim?

thats ok though, we get to beat up a bunch of Methodists for the weekend before the nescac gauntlet
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 02:40:24 PM
As I said in the Landmark board... F&M has no business hosting.

Here are their numbers compared to Vir. Wesleyan:
TEAM              In-Region              OWP            OOWP             SOS         Reg. Ranked
F&M               20-5 (.800)            .468              .452              .463            0-2 (.000)
VWC              21-4 (.840)            .492              .533              .506            4-1 (.800)

I think Pat and Doc can post all they want as they do have their facts straight... Lusty you do not. You are going on wishful dreams and this thought there is a vendetta. What was the problem in '09? F&M made the Final Four!!!

Furthermore... being the regular season and tournament champs means NOTHING when the Centennial Conference and nearly every other conference in the country indicates to the NCAA that it's AQ will come from a tournament. If the Centennial would like to change its mind and reward that to the regular season champ... more power to them... but being the champ at both means nothing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 28, 2011, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 01:35:02 PM
obviously theres nothing he can do, my point is to clarify that the CC should at least express anger at this ridiculousness.  the mileage difference between VAW hosting the pod and F&M hosting the pod is negligible.  F&M was reg season and conf champs.  we should be hosting this pod, or we should be in GMCs spot. PERIOD


The NCAA released the final regional rankings along with the bracket today:

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d3

Even with the conference title, F&M remained below GMC in today's ranking. Many people said last week's loss to Dickinson didn't matter for F&M. But had F&M won that game, they'd likely be ranked higher than GMC, and possibly headed to another pod instead of a death march to the gym of the South Region's No. 1 team, Virginia Wesleyan.

The only potential bright spot is that the Dips proved they could win away from Mayser in last year's tournament, being the only team in D-III to win two games on an opponent's home floor (Merchant Marine and St. Mary's) in addition to a neutral-site win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 02:51:09 PM
d-mac:  doc and pat made a comment about how fandm should schedule better.  but, they played 3 teams out of conference that WON their regular season.  how many teams in the nation can say that?  you are accusing me of lying D-mac, and i posted something that is 100% accurate.  I dont appreciate such disrespect.  playing a reg season conf champ means you played probably the best team in that conference.

the reason the Centennial and every conference in the nation at all ncaa levels (ivy lone exception) uses a tournament format to select the AQ is one word: MONEY.  Even at the D3 level, did you see how many people were at the games in lancaster?  I would venture to say at least 9-10k was made in ticket sales this weekend on that tourney alone.  it has little to do with finding the best team.

i said from the beginning, F&M should be on the road in ramapo in GMC's spot (based on the geography of that pod).  But when comparing VAW and FM, FM deserves credit for winning both the conference and the conference tourney.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 28, 2011, 02:57:33 PM


Folks -

As a long-time Diplomat Fan, I feel the need to jump in here and get my two cents worth in!

In my mind, the Dips' biggest negative is not the schedule issue but rather that they failed to take care of business. They have three really bad losses: one at McDaniel and worse yet, two at home against Ithaca and Dickinson. That is just too many losses at Mayser, which used to be inviolate. Had they won two of those three or all of them, they would have been in a much better position at 24-3 or 25-2 to claim hosting rights.

That being said, I think that they compare favorably to Cabrini and should have been given the hosting nod over them if other issues like the arena were factored in. Finally, tourney games at Mayser are always very well attended. I don't think that the NCAA ever lost money placing games in Lancaster!

Just food for thought. Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 28, 2011, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 02:51:09 PMthe reason the Centennial and every conference in the nation at all ncaa levels (ivy lone exception) uses a tournament format to select the AQ is one word: MONEY.  Even at the D3 level, did you see how many people were at the games in lancaster?  I would venture to say at least 9-10k was made in ticket sales this weekend on that tourney alone.  it has little to do with finding the best team.

I know this was a side topic, but this is really, really wrong. A big reason Division I conferences have tournaments is money - tickets, concessions, and most of all, television. In Division III, money is the reason NOT to have one. (See the UAA, which does not have a tournament - it would mean additional travel expenses on top of their already costly regular season.)  If 9-10 k in revenue was really brought in in ticket sales**, you're forgetting the expenses of officials, travel, etc. It is NOT a big money maker. Besides, every team sport in the conference has a tournament and most don't charge admission. Why do they bother?

The answer is the elusive "student-athlete experience" combined with the idea of giving a team another shot who may have had an injury, etc., in the regular season. If money was the driving force, they'd open it up to an eight (or more) team tournament to bring in more money. Instead, the Centennial Tournament is something you earn a spot in in the regular season and gives the student-athletes a chance for additional competition.

**That is highly unlikely. Are you forgetting that students of participating schools get in free with student ID?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 03:23:21 PM
Sunny, tickets were $5 for non students (some 3$ packages in there too, i dont remember).  per offical box score there were 1600 people at Saturdays FM/Ford game and 2000 at dickinson/FM game.  Ballpark, i'd say 1/4 were students, but lets say 1/3 were.  thats 2400 non students, and lets add 200 for those who attended GB/Dick and left.  so thats 2600 tickets at an average of $4 per ticket.  Thats 10k. 

i dont want to argue the point, because frankly i dont have the financials.  If the commish comes in and sees this post perhaps he can shed some light.  my original point to dave was simply the best team usually wins the conference Reg season, but not the tourney (as that is a bigger crapshoot), and wins of reg season conf champs should not be held valueless.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 03:39:00 PM
Lusty - vast majority of teams in the nation that won their regular season crown won the conference tournament this year... only a small percentage did not (ODAC, NESCAC come to mind and the top of those conferences is better then anything the Centennial can put together).

F&M's schedule is the problem... you brag about three teams they beat who won their conference titles. Who???

F&M's out of conference schedule was Penn St-Abington (2-23 lost conf)-win, Elmira (2-23 lost conf)-win, St. Mary's (22-5 won conf)-lost, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (16-10 lost conf)-win (by 1), SUNY-Old Westbury (13-14 - lost conf)-win, Ithaca (20-6 - lost conf)-lost, and Lancaster Bible (12-14 - independent)-win.

Who are you talking about?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 01:37:57 PM
Fact: F&M played 3 regular season conference champs.  please bring your scheduling argument to a board that needs it.  not this one

Doc and pat, please get your facts straight before posting

These are not relevant to the discussion. There are 42 teams in Division III that can call themselves regular-season conference champs. (More, actually, because of ties.) But not all are good enough to be regionally ranked.

This is sounding like a 1990's bracket discussion. That's not the way things are done anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 03:51:57 PM
dave, read our back and forth again, i never said they had 3 wins over other conf champs, i said they played 3 games against reg season champs ooc.  when determining schedule strength, it doesnt matter if you win the game or not.  people on this board (pat, and doc) made the claim that F&M didnt "play" anyone, and that claim is patently absurd!  

if you want to debate the quality wins measure, fine, but thats an entirely different debate.  also texas dallas, anna maria, ithaca, st joes maine, desales are all examples of reg season champs that didnt win conf tourney and i havent even finished half of the d3hoops standings list!  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 03:54:29 PM
Lusty - you are right... I misread your post about "regular" season champs. But that being said... I pointed out your out-of-conference record. F&M went 5-2 against an overall record of 87-95 and lost to the only two teams that had above .500 records.

That is what is meant by improve the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
Lusty: All the best to F&M. All things considered, if the Royals couldn't host I know I'd much rather be at Mayser.
Cabrini hosting should have a sound bite from Allen Iverson when talking about "practice" from a few years back.
"Cabrini"?
"Cabrini"?...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on February 28, 2011, 06:15:57 PM
lusty larry's lines are out!  This is based solely on whole season pace and efficiency.  no injury factors, end of season streak factors or travel has been taken into account (home teams given 2.5)

right now i have F&M -10 v NCW and VAW -13 vs DVC.  in Round 2 F&M would be -1.5 at VAW.

F&M's season will depend on how well it plays defensively.  what happened this weekend shows that F&M can get physical and out-muscle opponents.  their defensive prowess has improved greatly during the season, and that is not getting taken into account here.  should be fun
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2011, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
Lusty: All the best to F&M. All things considered, if the Royals couldn't host I know I'd much rather be at Mayser.
Cabrini hosting should have a sound bite from Allen Iverson when talking about "practice" from a few years back.
"Cabrini"?
"Cabrini"?...


LOVE IT! just gotta love it.......LOL.......
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2011, 10:10:41 PM
At this point, it's just win 6 games(5 for some) and you're national champs.
F&M has the firepower to win 6, so it's just a matter of taking care of business.
Two years ago they would have been in the finals if they hadn't thrown the ball away on several final trips in the closing minutes.  No mistakes and you have a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 01, 2011, 08:35:16 AM
With this draw, it will be tough for F&M to even make the Suite 16.  I predict a F&M win on Friday and a loss on Saturday night at VA Wesleyan against VA Wesleyan.  The doctor will be present for the occassion.  If you are going to VAW, drop me a line.

Lusty-  linking me and Coleman together is either a honor or a curse- I am not sure :-)  I think Mchugh was on target with the schedule issue and I will add that the Centennial Conference is weak compared to previous years- have you looked at its teams' out of conference victories???  BAD! 

Also, I will add this is a makeup from 2009.  We heard that the recession resulted in less travel for D3 teams and so F&M hosted 4 games when they only deserved to host 1st and 2nd round action.  Now, they travel further than to Salem- rough spot. 

I will be adding insight all day. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 01, 2011, 08:36:13 AM
By the way, I would put the VAW F&M line at more so of a pick em.  The logic of making F&M a favorite is ludicrous! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 08:55:59 AM
doc, you really dont know much about gambling if you think there is a big difference between 1.5 and pick em.  I'm jet setting to vegas this month on the backs of my NFL playoff run.  Honestly i would set the line at VA wesleyan -6, because that would be the public perception if i was an oddsmaker.  but my power rankings show i would take F&M anywhere up to -3. 

As for the scheduling issue, F&M schedule three teams of the highest quality.  No team in the nation, at least at first look, can say they played what F&M did out of conference (3 regular season champs).  Overall the numbers were weak because A, they played two horrendous teams, and B, they played the games at home or on neutral site and there is currently a multiplier that weakens home games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 01, 2011, 11:13:00 AM
Lusty- what sportsbook do you work at that makes you a line expert?  You are right there is not much difference between 1.5 and 0 I took a math course or two in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
after about 30 deep breaths i'm ok to post.  the virginia wesleyan gym only fits 1100.  That would make for a great atmosphere if it was actually close enough for anyone to travel to!  theyll sell 2200 tickets in two days!  F&M wouldve had more than that on Friday! 

Theres no way a gym with 1100 capacity should be hosting in the NCAAs.  No wonder they dont lose at home, that place must be like a playground. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: augie on March 01, 2011, 02:12:12 PM
Lustylarry they also hosted the final four for women UofS played in that final four nice gym!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2011, 02:40:02 PM
Larry,
  I was at that final four; your biggest problem is getting past the hour-long backup at the Hampton Roads Bridge-tunnel on a Friday afternoon(or any other time, for that matter). Don't know how well Va. Wesleyan supports their team but Randolph-Macon was in that final 4 and took up a lot of seats.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 02:49:03 PM
thanks ronk, yeah i took one drive there about 2 years ago heading down the outer banks and that stretch is terrible. Either 95 or the back way through de (which is how i'd go) its just a long and hellish drive.  i guess my shock is theyd choose an 1100 person gym over a 3000 person gym. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:09:50 PM
Broken record alert: This isn't the 1990s. You can't buy your way into home games by having a larger gym. Hosting rights earned by seeding as long as everyone can drive there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 03:23:13 PM
According to the 2011 NCAA division 3 handbook page 7:

The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria
for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather, accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to assure fiscal responsibility.

Unfortunately i dont know how the NCAA defines Quality.  Its not in the book.  My guess is a 3000 person gym is of higher quality than a 1000 person gym, but the term quality might mean only a Minimum quality standard, i dont know.  

And your "broken record" comment is laughable.  No one is corruptly buying anything.  if revenue potential wasnt a consideration, it wouldnt be in the handbook

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:26:20 PM
It is A consideration but not THE consideration, which is how your post makes it out to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:26:20 PM
It is A consideration but not THE consideration, which is how your post makes it out to be.

Pat youre missing my point.  I understand the criteria fine.  It wouldnt make sense to say biggest gym always hosts the tournament game (i'm not insinuating that DVC should host, if it indeed had that size gym).  But both F&M and VAW would meet geo requirements.  Looking at the 16 team bracket, if you judge Williams as the 1, then its likely VAW is the 4 and F&M the 5.  Thats one spot in the seeding.  Does that one spot trump the difference in gym size, and possibly double the number of fans?  I mean, theres always going to be a numerical difference in seeding, so why even put the revenue thing in the handbook?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:43:11 PM
Yes. There's always going to be a higher seed and that higher seed is going to get to host if:

1. The gym is available
2. It meets the minimum seating requirements
3. Travel is equal in terms of number of flights required

Whether it's one spot or seven, someone is a higher seed and that team will have the advantage if the other items I listed are satisfied.

I understand that when F&M's coach ran the show in Division III more than a decade ago, things were often done differently. But it's not done that way now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 03:55:30 PM
i love how, if you pry long enough, the truth always comes out.  Pat if you want to be biased against F&M and make accusations against the coach thats your prerogative.  But to come to the Centennial board and be condescending towards F&M fans, well thats the textbook definition of trolling.  And i'm fine with that too, just dont get upset if i start trolling your sacred UAA or CCIW boards.  I come here to kill some time at work and go over to landmark to chat with knowledgeable fans.  you are more interested in defending the NCAA at all costs. You have a preconceived narrative that the NCAA is always right, and God forbid reality or the facts get in the way of that.

as for my point, again, why even put the revenue generating provision in the handbook if it is meaningless?  If theres always going to be a higher seed, then the provisions should end there.  fact is, they dont and when theres only a one or two seed difference the 4th criteria should at least be addressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:59:43 PM
I get that that's your opinion but the NCAA doesn't share it.

I agree with them on this provision. Hosting privileges should be earned on the floor, not in the stands. I agree with them on other things, too, but not everything.

And just so we're clear, I'm not accusing anything, just stating the facts. Right or wrong, that's the way decisions were made before and the guidelines and practices of the time supported it. But things have changed in the past decade or so, and if you were used to getting your way as an F&M fan because an F&M guy ran the show for several years, this is probably a bit of an adjustment.

Your reality is not necessarily based in facts, at least, not the facts that the NCAA considers nowadays.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 04:04:43 PM
::Hitting head into wall repeatedly::

Lusty - VWC has hosted plenty of their share of tournament games. I have been there twice for Sectional Weekends. Their facility is actually very good and they can bring in plenty of temporary bleachers to boost the seating capacity.

Things you are ignoring:
- This isn't ten years ago... hosting is choosen by a central location, but by a school that can do it and is the higher regional seed (i.e. La Roche is the higher seed and did NOT apply to host).
- Pods are NO longer regionally based. The national committee wants teams from as many different regions as possible to play one another in first and second round. VWC's pod features two south region teams, one from the Atlantic, and one from the Mid-Atlantic.
- The NCAA allows busing up to 500 miles away for a game... so instead of the committee sending teams to their nearest site for games they may have already had earlier in the season or face conference foes early on in the tournament... they may send them much further away.

You can complain all you want.. but this has been the scenario for YEARS now... there is NOTHING new to this process. I personally thought F&M would get shipped north or west... so VWC surprised me. However, it is a great place to see a game and if you are deciding to hit the road to get there... enjoy.

By the way... you don't have to take the tunnels to get to VWC. My two trips from Baltimore to VWC have been via the interstates and through Virginia and right off the interstate and onto campus. It is not that hard a drive. I actually took the "scenic" route through the Chesapeake Bridge and Tunnel system and that took too long on the way home.

Enjoy the tournament and the games... and hopefully we see F&M make a run and emerge in the Sectionals - but then get ready to complain you are headed to Williamstown, MA.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: docmarc on February 27, 2011, 07:26:01 PM
D3hoopsfan- get a life?  I don't have a life because I am responding to someone blasting F&M's coach and F&M.  What is this- Pat Cummings revisited?

You might want to consider letting go of something that happened nine years ago.

pat you might want to take some of your own advice.  i've been around F&M for about 12-13 seasons and i dont really know what youre talking about, so my guess is it happened in the 90's.  You probably should let that go. 

again the fact is the provision is in the handbook and i still dont have an answer as to why its there
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 01, 2011, 04:13:17 PM
Lusty, I've noticed that seeding has been the most important criteria in recent years. If the higher-ranked gym holds more than 1,000, it will generally host. Take a look at the final regional rankings of this year's 13 pod hosts and 3 bye teams:

6 teams ranked No. 1 (La Roche and Purchase either didn't apply or can't host)
7 teams ranked No. 2
3 teams ranked No. 3

At No. 5 in the region, F&M was going to travel somewhere. To me, the bigger issue is which pod the Dips were sent to. Cabrini or Ramapo made more sense to me.

We can also look at last year, when F&M went to St. Mary's even though Mayser is a larger gym and the Dips beat the Seahawks head-to-head -- they ended the season ranked lower. I'm not saying I like the situation, just that it isn't surprising.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 04:18:40 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: docmarc on February 27, 2011, 07:26:01 PM
D3hoopsfan- get a life?  I don't have a life because I am responding to someone blasting F&M's coach and F&M.  What is this- Pat Cummings revisited?

You might want to consider letting go of something that happened nine years ago.

pat you might want to take some of your own advice.  i've been around F&M for about 12-13 seasons and i dont really know what youre talking about, so my guess is it happened in the 90's.  You probably should let that go. 

again the fact is the provision is in the handbook and i still dont have an answer as to why its there

Lusty - it is there to divert a hosting opportunity from a school that while they may deserve it in ranking... don't have the facility to manage it.

There have been several occasions (i.e. Lawrence in '04?) where a school has been passed over to host because their facility was not up to quality and the like. It isn't there to say that one facility is better then another and thus a lower ranked team can host... it is there to make sure there are enough seats and the quality of locker rooms and the such is satisfactory.

You can't think of it top down... but rather bottom up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 04:31:11 PM
hey rw,  I've noticed that same thing, it was very unlikely we would host a pod.  I was saying on the landmark boards earlier, in reality the only places that made sense were SMC, Cabrini or Ramapo.  Once RMC was shipped to SMC, there was no way they would create a death pod, so that left Cabrini or Ramapo.  the VaW thing was a shock, but really no way id do that drive, its a hike and hellish traffic around the tunnel.  If they go to williams, thats far but an easier drive. 

and dmac, the reasoning you gave me is applicable to criteria 1, not criteria 4 which is the one in question.  again i'm not complaining, simply trying to discuss this from the angle that when you look at the selection criteria, its not as black and white as it seems



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 04:35:11 PM
Well... Cabrini, Ramapo, SMC, and VWC have all proven they are viable sites for hosting when it comes to ticket sales... so essentially it isn't an issue with them.

Also... you can avoid the tunnels to VWC by heading south through Baltimore and around DC into Virginia - that is how I get to VWC and I never head through a tunnel as a result. In fact - I did take the tunnel/bridges back to Baltimore one year and it was FAR longer.

Finally... the ODAC/VWC will be providing video/audio of all the games in VWC... so you won't miss out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2011, 04:36:30 PM
I think Regional "seeding" becomes a joke when factoring in who hosts & who does not...especially considering the number of "high seeds" from the Middle Atlantic & Atlantic who are not even in the tournament.
What we can conclude from this is that many of these teams were given far too heavily weighted assignments right from the start.
By the way, money means everything to the NCAA...that's why they allow the station covering the Final IV to dictate the ludicrous starting times. Therefore, why not make a pot of gold along the way & place host sites at schools that cover all sections of the NCAA Bible except for "seeding" since that is by no means accurate or impartial anyway?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
saratoga - there is no station controlling the championship game this year... no TV at all... the game is at 3:30 and it will be a video-streamed game only.

Also, what "high seeds" were left out of the Mid-Atlantic and Atlantic. According to the final regional rankings #6 Lebanon Valley was left at the table in the MA and #4 Kean was left at the table in the Atlantic. I wouldn't call them high seeds, especially in an Atlantic region of only about 5 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 01, 2011, 04:55:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:43:11 PM
I understand ... F&M's coach ran the show in Division III more than a decade ago ....
In fact, because GRob "ran the show" in D3 in 1994, he had the task of presenting the national championship trophy to LVC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 01, 2011, 04:36:30 PM
I think Regional "seeding" becomes a joke when factoring in who hosts & who does not...especially considering the number of "high seeds" from the Middle Atlantic & Atlantic who are not even in the tournament.
What we can conclude from this is that many of these teams were given far too heavily weighted assignments right from the start.
By the way, money means everything to the NCAA...that's why they allow the station covering the Final IV to dictate the ludicrous starting times. Therefore, why not make a pot of gold along the way & place host sites at schools that cover all sections of the NCAA Bible except for "seeding" since that is by no means accurate or impartial anyway?

The so-called pot of gold (a few thousand dollars) isn't enough to dissuade the NCAA from giving a home game to the higher seed. This is what separates us from the NAIA.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 01, 2011, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 01, 2011, 04:55:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:43:11 PM
I understand ... F&M's coach ran the show in Division III more than a decade ago ....
In fact, because GRob "ran the show" in D3 in 1994, he had the task of presenting the national championship trophy to LVC.

Warren, that was a great season by LVC. F&M beat them both times that year, so I'm sure it was a tough one for Coach Robinson. Did you make the trip to Buffalo, and if so, could you shed first-hand knowledge about the horn/backboard light controversy that surrounded the end of regulation?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 01, 2011, 06:11:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2011, 04:35:11 PM
Well... Cabrini, Ramapo, SMC, and VWC have all proven they are viable sites for hosting when it comes to ticket sales... so essentially it isn't an issue with them.

Also... you can avoid the tunnels to VWC by heading south through Baltimore and around DC into Virginia - that is how I get to VWC and I never head through a tunnel as a result. In fact - I did take the tunnel/bridges back to Baltimore one year and it was FAR longer.

Finally... the ODAC/VWC will be providing video/audio of all the games in VWC... so you won't miss out.
Dave I live in Virginia Beach,and my home town is Lancaster Pa. please or please tell me how to avoid the tunnels other than going thru Petersburg which adds another 90 minutes. Leaving the oceanfront and driving directly to Lancaster is give or take 325 miles and 6 ish hours.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 01, 2011, 07:50:56 PM

donho -

Thanks for the useful information. Is the "6ish" hours drive straight through without breaks for stretching and personal comfort? Some of us now take medicines that neccessitate more frequent stops! At what speed? I set the cruise control and observe the speed limit - how much extra will that add to the drive?

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 01, 2011, 07:56:14 PM


Whew! Let's all take a deep breath and turn down the heat just a little bit. It seems to me that it is getting very testy in here and borders on turning personal. I think we can all be reasonable people and disagree without being disagreable. That is an "old-timer" speaking for you.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 01, 2011, 07:59:53 PM


Warren -

Geez, the tone of my previous post is starting to sound like you! Nice to see that you are still going strong and that you chose to stop by the Centennial board and contribute again. Will the Dutchmen get an invite to the ECAC? Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 01, 2011, 08:12:29 PM

Lusty and docmarc -

Not that I am happy about WHERE the Diplomats were sent, however, I think most reasonable folks expected them to be on the road given their two bad losses at home and the loss at McDaniel. Sometimes, we just have to smile and accept those things that we are handed down by the NCAA and really don't like!

Quite frankly, the best way for GRob and the Diplomats to put this whole thing to rest is just to go down south; take care of business; and show the Battling Bishops, the Marlins, and the Selection Committee what they are made of! Several road wins will make the argument moot. They won on the road last year and they can certainly do it again this year. I am confident that, although McNally is not 100%, the Diplomats are still a very good team that will compete favorable with their opponents. Tehy will miss the leadership, toughness, and heart that Brooks gave them last year. Somewhere along the line, they may even catch a break!

GO DIPS! Regards to all.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 01, 2011, 08:41:11 PM
Some of us old folks say----"Just lace up your sneakers and play the game".  Griping about it is just distraction.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 01, 2011, 11:43:58 PM
hi eric

i'm glad you commented.  my comments should not be viewed as griping or complaining.  I'm trying to have a friendly discussion and bring facts and ncaa guidelines to the table.  various landmark fans have even come here to discuss the mid atlantic region in a thought provoking way.  but then you get various trolls on here who do nothing but bash F&M without actually bringing any facts to the table or answering the arguments i put forward (one was even bringing up stuff that happened in the 90s, as if that has any relevance to today).  i find it amusing, but i'd rather enjoy a sports discussion

youre absolutely right, i never really expected F&M to host.  my disappointment comes not in their draw or their road, but rather the fact that any fan who wants to see them play live must make a hellish trip.  The committee most certainly couldve done a better job for the reasons i outlined in various posts. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 02, 2011, 06:04:25 AM
 diplomaniac1, the 6ish is with one 15 minute comfort stop. However the other thing you MUST account for on a friday is TRAFFIC. My daugthers travel from Baltimore using what we call the backway. The backway being Baltimore beltway(695) south to 97 south (towards the bay bridge). From there you follow the signs towards Bowie MD. and route 301. 301 will take you across potomac river where you will soon get to route 17. take that south into Hampton Roads (from that intersection you will have about 115 miles to VWC.
  Check it out on Google .At 301 and 17 there is a eating place called Horne's that we use because it is about the halfway point. !7 is a nice road and almost never has traffic. (you will see traffic at the tunnel near Norfolk.
On a friday afternoon you could spend somewhere near 71/2 hours on the road.
There are several hotels within 10 minutes of the campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 06:36:10 AM
donho - that is one option for sure to avoid traffic - if you are early enough you can also take either I-459 around Washington... or Rt 295 (which becomes I-295) down the Potomac and back onto I-495 near the Woodrow Wilson Bridge and then back towards I-95 - but against traffic could be a bear.

Again... I don't run into any tunnels on this trip - the only tunnels I have ever run into are the Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnel system and that means you are on the Eastern Shore of Maryland... and to be honest that is a much longer trip to begin with.

The trip from I-83 north of Baltimore (about 20 miles from PA line) takes me 4:30 to 5:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 02, 2011, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 01, 2011, 07:59:53 PM
Warren -

Geez, the tone of my previous post is starting to sound like you! Nice to see that you are still going strong and that you chose to stop by the Centennial board and contribute again. Will the Dutchmen get an invite to the ECAC? Regards,

Eric

I'm still going, but I don't know how strongly.  ;) LVC men are hosting the ECAC South playoffs; they go against Marywood this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 02, 2011, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 01, 2011, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 01, 2011, 04:55:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:43:11 PM
I understand ... F&M's coach ran the show in Division III more than a decade ago ....
In fact, because GRob "ran the show" in D3 in 1994, he had the task of presenting the national championship trophy to LVC.


Warren, that was a great season by LVC. F&M beat them both times that year, so I'm sure it was a tough one for Coach Robinson. Did you make the trip to Buffalo, and if so, could you shed first-hand knowledge about the horn/backboard light controversy that surrounded the end of regulation?

I was in Buffalo (and drove through a snowstorm to get there).  Strangely enough, I wasn't aware of the controversy till I was back home and saw the replays on TV. They showed fairly clearly that something was amiss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 10:22:57 AM
Theres a great song by Cee lo which sums up what the NCAA committee is saying to the greatest coach in division 3 history, and top ten in the history of college basketball at any level, and his Diplomats with this draw.  its the third straight time the committee has sung that song to F&M (twice last year and now 2011).  But i give a lot of credit to Coach, James, Milligan and the team for ultimate perseverance, twice winning in hostile, rinky-dink high school level gyms.  Now, they have to win a neutral site game in said-type gym in order to play a third. 

Either F&M will go out with a whimper, or theyll sing Cee-los song back to the committee, as F&M is one of the few teams that can not only play the us against the world card, but has the recent string of success to back it up.  cant wait til the weekend 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 02, 2011, 10:39:17 AM
 Dave if you say you are coming in on route 64 to VWC you MUST go thru a tunnel. Unless of course you want to swim! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 02, 2011, 10:44:24 AM
In 2008, Virginia Wesleyan was the defending D III champion.  Yet----they were seeded below Ursinus and had to travel to Collegeville.  They did so and did it with class even though they lost to the Bears.  I heard not one complaint before or after the game from their fans or players.  

Having said that, I really don't think the Dips (the team) are complaining either.   I hope they are concentrating on winning the next basketball game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 02, 2011, 10:49:18 AM


Warren -

Good luck to your Flying Dutchmen! If they win, who would they play next. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 10:51:27 AM
youre right gabriel.  not sure where you are going with it, but i havent heard one diplomat fan complaining on this board either. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 02, 2011, 10:53:07 AM


donho and d-mac -

Thanks for the traveling directions, information, advice, and suggestions. I can guarantee you that my fellow diplomat fan and navigator who is traveling with me will take it into consideration as we make the trek! Regards,

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 11:17:59 AM
donho - in hindsight you are right... I just completely forgot about it! I never have had a problem traveling through the tunnel with any backup... so I never even think about it!

There is a tunnel... but I can't speak to the traffic :).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 02, 2011, 11:48:25 AM
 No problem dave, anyone coming this way on friday at this time of year may likely hit a backup of about 30 minutes at the HRBT just outside of Norfolk. Once thru the bridge/tunnel you have about fifteen minutes to VWC.
Bridge tunnel is probably why you forgot tunnel Dave. You have a bridge then a tunnel followed by another bridge, therefore easy to forget tunnel.
  Safe travels.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 12:36:49 PM
I truly hope that the folks on here aren't saying that F&M have a nice gym!!! They have terrible parking, you must park across the busy road and walk a little distance.  And their facilities are awful, just awful!! I know people will bash me for saying this, but seriously, have you seen their locker rooms??? Pathetic at best! It must be 100 degrees, and takes 2 minutes of your halftime up just to get there. Then u get there and there is no white board/chalkboard to write on. The players have to sit on each others lap because of its tiny size. So they then send you to an old racquet ball court that they call a media room i guess. Then all u have to deal with is all of their office staff walking by and looking in the glass wall. And there isn't even a wall on the second floor, so anybody up there can hear you!!!
Yeah, it is a real shame they aren't hosting in that dump!! What is the NCAA thinking??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 01:04:33 PM
The doc is back after a day away traveling in Long Island on business and a computer virus.  Now to comment on the Centennial conference humor!

Bball2020-  You should go away on a long weekend with Pat Coleman based on the bias that you have for F&M.  What a shame- I feel so sorry for you and your staff and players.  Maybe we can get some rich alumnus to donate money so that the away facilities are better and so that the commish has a nice office to entertain on CC championship weekends.  Anyway, Lusty's point was about the possible attendance that can go into Mayser Center in Lancaster can outweigh many of the facilities that will be hosting like St. Mary's and Va Wesleyan.  I am sorry that away team facilities are more important to you than the crowd seeing the games. 

Coleman-  did you not tell me to bring up the past and yet you continue to bash Coach Robinson for his NCAA involvement in the 1990's.  HEED YOUR OWN ADVICE!  And what disrespect for the greatest coach in D3 basketball history!  Do you have an unbiased opinion at all or are you still getting checks from the NCAA D3 selection committee?  For the record, Lusty stumped you a great deal yesterday based on the NCAA rule book and facts.  Gotta hurt!

McHugh-  Thanks for the information on the trip down.  Can you fly me down there- it sounds like a pain in the butt to get down there.  I am not looking forward to the trip this weekend and I am sure the area is more boring than St. Mary's where I did not see a bar or convenience store for miles and miles.  Can I have your cell number so that I can call and laugh at you when I am stuck in traffic in the tunnel. 

Gabriel- what is your point? 

Doc will be around all day to diagnose the concerns on this board!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 01:07:20 PM
bball 2020, spoken like a true bitter Gettysburg fan.  The parking discussion is hilarious.  theres plenty of street parking within a block of Mayser, and if you park in the lots across hbg pike theres something called a traffic light to control the busy traffic.  Some advice bball, next year if you come to mayser, go to a thing called the crosswalk (its usually got white lines marking it).  then wait for a signal from a small yelllow box.  When that signal is white (color of gburg's home jerseys), that means walk.  When the signal is orange (color of gburg's road jerseys), that means dont walk.  Keep note though orange does not mean stop.  If you are already in said cross walk when the orange light comes on, simply complete crossing the street.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 01:04:33 PM
Coleman-  did you not tell me to bring up the past and yet you continue to bash Coach Robinson for his NCAA involvement in the 1990's.  HEED YOUR OWN ADVICE!  And what disrespect for the greatest coach in D3 basketball history!  Do you have an unbiased opinion at all or are you still getting checks from the NCAA D3 selection committee?  For the record, Lusty stumped you a great deal yesterday based on the NCAA rule book and facts.  Gotta hurt!

Nope. I get that you don't agree with the rule book or how it's used but this is how it happens. You shouldn't be surprised.

Just to clarify what I said:

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2011, 03:59:43 PM
And just so we're clear, I'm not accusing anything, just stating the facts. Right or wrong, that's the way decisions were made before and the guidelines and practices of the time supported it. But things have changed in the past decade or so, and if you were used to getting your way as an F&M fan because an F&M guy ran the show for several years, this is probably a bit of an adjustment.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
Any word on the GAME?--match-ups, type of play, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2011, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
Any word on the GAME?--match-ups, type of play, etc.
Guess we've been distracted here; haven't seen NC Wesleyan this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 01:28:20 PM
As far as parking I hope you never go to a professional football game or a division 1 school game where you may have to take a shuttle from your parking spot to the stadium.  Sorry f and m does not offer a VIP spot in front of mayser center for your Bentley. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
Coleman lusty stated facts out of the rule book.  You are telling us what the rules are based on what? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 01:39:45 PM
I'm saying that in practice over the past decade or so, greater attendance hasn't resulted in a lower-seeded team getting a home game.

You can quote the rulebook and that's fine but it's one of four factors and it hasn't been an overriding factor in many years. Fiscal responsibility has been maintained by geographic means rather than attendance history. A few thousand bucks aren't enough for the NCAA to remove a home game from a higher-seeded team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 02, 2011, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2011, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
Any word on the GAME?--match-ups, type of play, etc.
Guess we've been distracted here; haven't seen NC Wesleyan this year.

ronk, the understatement of the year!

NC Wesleyan looks very good. The Bishops have a 6-3 guard who shoots tons of threes, but I have no idea about their style, etc. I'm looking forward to seeing if F&M build on the defensive performance they put together vs. Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
There is a game this weekend?  I wonder how the parking and away facilities are at Va wesleyan?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2011, 01:55:28 PM
 I think I recall parking in a grass field at the final 4 in 2005; hope it's not raining. The gym was fine, and I doubt the locals will fill it before your 1st game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
I am sure it will be better then f&m's disaster.
I knew docmarc that u would love that post!! And u responded just as i thought u would. I would love if the dips had a shuttle service, that would be great!! And i wish i did have a vip space! Can u look into that for me?? I see you totally ignored the rest of the post, so u must have agreed!! I will count that as progress that u are beginning to see that the dips aren't a great place to play!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 02:10:45 PM
3000 seat gym with a press box, not really sure how thats different than most top schools' facilities.  Although since you have trouble understanding how to cross a street, i imagine a 90 second walk to your locker room might really trouble you!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
ronk if youve been there before you can be our source.  seeing this is southern virginia, are we allowed to bring our guns into the arena or will they simply hand us a spare one on our way in?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2011, 02:26:21 PM
It was a women's final 4 and things didn't seem as contentious then as this week on the message board, although that tunnel backup did rile me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 02:30:41 PM

Bball your original post about mayser center was ridiculous.  But what do I know I need to get a life and learn to move on from the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 02:35:38 PM
yeah bball, i was really looking forward to a CC title rubber match of f+m v gburg.  unfortunately dickinson handed them a heaping helping of FAIL.  sad.  it was probably cuz gettysburg didnt have a white board
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 02:44:05 PM
Not sure what is ridiculous about it. Just the truth.
Not sure about the get a life comment, wasn't from me.
Lusty, not sure where the trouble crossing the intersection comes from?? Just because there parking lot is farther away and u must cross a highly traveled road doesn't mean there is "trouble crossing the intersection?" and yes, when u only have 15 mins for halftime wasting 2 minutes is a problem. I suppose you may not understand that though if u never had to deal with it!!
Nobody crying on my end about the outcome of the gburg dickinson game. They beat gbur 2 out of 3 games. Clearly they were the better team. Had nothing to do with a whiteboard, but thanks for thinking of that. BUT, not having proper facilities is a good reason to not host.
You crack me up Lusty, always tryin to be smart and down people but can't decipher a post for what it is meant for!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 02:47:28 PM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 02:44:05 PM
Not sure what is ridiculous about it. Just the truth.
Not sure about the get a life comment, wasn't from me.
Lusty, not sure where the trouble crossing the intersection comes from?? Just because there parking lot is farther away and u must cross a highly traveled road doesn't mean there is "trouble crossing the intersection?" and yes, when u only have 15 mins for halftime wasting 2 minutes is a problem. I suppose you may not understand that though if u never had to deal with it!!
Nobody crying on my end about the outcome of the gburg dickinson game. They beat gbur 2 out of 3 games. Clearly they were the better team. Had nothing to do with a whiteboard, but thanks for thinking of that. BUT, not having proper facilities is a good reason to not host.
You crack me up Lusty, always tryin to be smart and down people but can't decipher a post for what it is meant for!!

haha, youre the one who complained about having to cross a highly traveled road that has multiple crosswalks, and until this year a bridge! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 02:59:59 PM
Don't see anybody who posted about having trouble crossing the busy streets on here???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 03:02:59 PM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 12:36:49 PM
They have terrible parking, you must park across the busy road and walk a little distance. 

sounds like a complaint to me, and i didnt even knock the fact you complained about walking 120 yards or so
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 03:37:03 PM
I assume u do know that a football field is 120 yards?? Right??
And their football field doesn't cross the street! So it must be a little farther than "or so!"
Not everybody is in their 20's.  Some people have some older legs to them if u know what i mean! Haha
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 03:41:38 PM

Bball did you also make a few bucks off of the gburg site charging six bucks for watching coach Robinsons 800th win?  What a joke!  Enjoy your offseason while f and m continues their season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 03:53:05 PM
Nope, but by the way u sound on here i am glad that they charged!!
Inwish the f and m team the best of luck. Apparently u and lusty think i i hate f&m! Sorry, that justbisn't the case! So your comments about the offseason and the dips continuing does not phase me at all. But is seems to make u feel better, so continue on.
Thanks for the 6 bucks!! Hope u enjoyed the game:-)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 03:56:28 PM
Oh yeah, docmarc, i loved the dips website with Glenn's wife cutting the nets down!! Shame tgey couldn't have put Baker, or anybody else that had something to do with the win!!
Again, who are they promoting? Glen and his wife or the TEAM??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 04:03:11 PM
Don't mess with Glenns wife.  She deserves as much credit for the teams success as any.  Classy touch by the team allowing her to cut down the nets.  Class is something you know nothing about bball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 04:28:28 PM
Boy, you sure are in love with the Robinson family!
She must be a great coach with the credit you are giving her!
Sorry to mention that, i knew you would get upset at that. I should have kept it to myself.
But if you are considering Glenn and his wife to be classy, then I certainly don't want to be classy. No respect for them as people and the way they behave. Not saying he is not a good coach(or her i suppose too), but classy is not the word for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 02, 2011, 04:37:18 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on March 02, 2011, 10:49:18 AM


Warren -

Good luck to your Flying Dutchmen! If they win, who would they play next. Regards,

Eric


Thanks, Eric.

The ECAC South championship has eight teams. LVC at # 1 goes against # 8 Marywood tonight; #4 Misericordia v. #5 Wesley; #3 Catholic v. #6 Gallaudet; and # 2 DeSales v. #7 Neumann.

Semi-Finals Saturday (#1/8 winner v. #4/5 winner; #3/6 winner v. #2/7 winner)

Final: the two semi-final winners.

If the Dutchmen win tonight, they host the Saturday and Sunday games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 05:30:52 PM

Bball- what's wrong are you jealous of coach Robinson and his success.  Did he hurt your feelings at one time?  Maybe you are jealous of his parking spot and his facilities at mayser gym.  Maybe you are jealous of his appearance on espn 2.  Get over your problem with coach and his wife. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 02, 2011, 05:51:10 PM
You all are missing the big story (none of this NCAA nonsense), Swarthmore has all five starters back next year! Ok, so this is kind of tongue in cheek, I can't wait to start talking about next year as there is only one team to talk about now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2011, 06:12:22 PM
NC Wesleyan Stats.(F&M's to follow)
Won-Lost Percentage (402 ranked)     33     77.8      Whitworth       96.3
Scoring Offense (402 ranked)    62    77.2    Grinnell    102.9
Scoring Defense (402 ranked)    240    72.0    Randolph-Macon    54.6
Scoring Margin (402 ranked)    105    5.1    Whitworth    23.1
Field-Goal Percentage (402 ranked)    72    46.3    Wis.-Stevens Point    52.6
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (402 ranked)    131    42.2    Middlebury    34.5
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (402 ranked)    198    6.0    Grinnell    17.8
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (320 ranked)    96    36.1    Rochester (NY)    44.5
Three Pt FG Defense (402 ranked)    2    26.8    Texas Lutheran    26.7
Free-Throw Percentage (402 ranked)    380    62.2    St. Mary's (MN)    79.4
Rebound Margin (402 ranked)    201    0.3    Old Westbury    10.7
Assists Per Game (402 ranked)    101    14.3    New York U.    19.6
Assist Turnover Ratio (402 ranked)    256    0.81    Ithaca    1.67
Blocked Shots Per Game (402 ranked)    137    3.2    Middlebury    7.5
Steals Per Game (402 ranked)    82    8.7    Grinnell    14.7
Turnovers Per Game (402 ranked)    341    17.7    Whitworth    9.3
Turnover Margin (402 ranked)    282    -1.2    Grinnell    14.0
Personal Fouls Per Game (402 ranked)    215    18.6    Northwestern (MN)    13.6
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2011, 06:14:09 PM
F&M stats
Won-Lost Percentage (402 ranked)     19     81.5      Whitworth       96.3
Scoring Offense (402 ranked)    62    77.2    Grinnell    102.9
Scoring Defense (402 ranked)    50    63.6    Randolph-Macon    54.6
Scoring Margin (402 ranked)    10    13.6    Whitworth    23.1
Field-Goal Percentage (402 ranked)    65    46.5    Wis.-Stevens Point    52.6
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (402 ranked)    94    41.4    Middlebury    34.5
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (402 ranked)    378    3.9    Grinnell    17.8
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (320 ranked)              Rochester (NY)    44.5
Three Pt FG Defense (402 ranked)    61    31.3    Texas Lutheran    26.7
Free-Throw Percentage (402 ranked)    115    70.8    St. Mary's (MN)    79.4
Rebound Margin (402 ranked)    26    6.7    Old Westbury    10.7
Assists Per Game (402 ranked)    132    14.0    New York U.    19.6
Assist Turnover Ratio (402 ranked)    56    1.12    Ithaca    1.67
Blocked Shots Per Game (402 ranked)    14    4.7    Middlebury    7.5
Steals Per Game (402 ranked)    27    10.1    Grinnell    14.7
Turnovers Per Game (402 ranked)    58    12.5    Whitworth    9.3
Turnover Margin (402 ranked)    12    4.7    Grinnell    14.0
Personal Fouls Per Game (402 ranked)    97    16.9    Northwestern (MN)    13.6
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2011, 06:15:55 PM
Looking at some actual 'basketball' stats, F&M leads in 13 of 18 categories.  One category is tied-scoring offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 02, 2011, 07:35:12 PM
Reserved-  agreed that F&M on paper should win 1st round game.  Don't forget that F&M also has the better coaching. 

To all- why is Andrew Powers the only Centennial Conference player that I can vote for on the D3 hoops poll?  There are others on the 1st team CC that deserve consideration- especially the player of the year Georgio Milligan who probably will not be playing in Salem for F&M. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2011, 07:48:48 PM
Doc Marc:

The voting on our front page is for the NABC all-star game, which is reserved for seniors.  So Milligan isn't eligible yet. 

The Mid Atlantic gets two slots and there were four finalists under consideration for those slots - McNally, Powers, James Jones (Delaware Valley) and Ashworth (Scranton).  You could make a case for other really good seniors (Franz at St. Mary's, Trautman at Leb Val, etc) but eventually you have to pick just two guys.  It's a tough job for the coaches that do it.

Maybe McNally landed one of the two regional spots and didn't need this "at large" slot.  Or maybe he didn't make the cut for the public vote.  We'll have to wait and see what the roster looks like.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2011, 07:56:35 PM
It's described as for players not in the tourney which elimimates McNally and Ashworth.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2011, 08:23:20 PM
Also, eliminates Jones, if that's true.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 02, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
any word on where the officials for this game will come from?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2011, 08:39:11 PM
look for some guys from 300 miles away in the thinking of the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2011, 09:08:18 PM
I'm not sure why tournament players would be ineligible to participate this year.  Look at last year's roster.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/genrel/auto_pdf/D3all-starrosters.pdf

Most of these guys played in the tournament, even if you set the Final Four teams aside.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 02, 2011, 09:14:01 PM
I do believe that McNally is the regional pick, so there is no need to vote on him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
Where did the rumor about tournament players not being eligible start?
My understanding was the game was open to all seniors not playing in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2011, 09:21:45 PM
The invites go out after the sectional weekend. And they reserve two positions, I believe, for those who lost in the semifinals. So, players like McNally and all who are in the tournament are being debated on by coaches... but we won't know who is invited until after next weekend.

The poll on the front page is for any seniors who are not playing in the tournament and felt deserved to possibly be in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 09:58:11 PM
That's right. This vote is restricted to seniors who are not in the tournament, one from each region, so that's why some of the guys you mention are left off.

There will indeed be two other Mid-Atlantic seniors who get on the roster. But this vote is two guaranteed spots selected by fans. It's akin to the final vote for the MLB All-Star Game, except that because of the tournament, this vote happens first.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 09:37:25 AM
quote from d3 tournament preview:

"What do we make of this game? Franklin and Marshall vs. North Carolina Wesleyan, an interesting departure for a Diplomats team which has played more East, Atlantic and Northeast Region teams of late."

- Well, except of course for their last tourament game!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2011, 09:53:17 AM
In the opening rounds, LL.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
The last two years F&M has played 10 tournament games, 3 vs MA, 2 vs NE, 2 vs ATL, 2 vs S and 1 vs E.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2011, 10:18:41 AM
Yep, but as I said in my previous post, my note in my preview was based on their early-round opponents, speaking to their placement in the bracket.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 10:28:55 AM
oh ok, my confusion, so what meant to wriite in your preview was:

"What do we make of this game? Franklin and Marshall vs. North Carolina Wesleyan, an interesting departure for a Diplomats team which has played more East, Atlantic and Northeast Region teams in early round action of late."

quick note, of their four early round games the last two years, theyve played one each from the MA, A, E and NE. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 02:03:31 PM
just making sure I'm doing this right, been having troubles posting lately. new post to come
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 03:17:55 PM
 Wow!!! Enough is enough!! Holy B for boring Batman. I thought these forums were for discussion of sport, the athletes and such. Who gives a rats ass about who plays where and why, the formulas used to determine it, the politics involved and how long of a drive, (Waaa! Waaa!), it is to get there! Please shut your pie holes already! Have any of you holding this sleep inducing discussion ever played this great game? My guess is no because if you HAVE ever played, this type of discussion doesn't enter your head let alone cross your lips. The important and only point is this. The object for a player or fan at this time of year is to STILL be playing or watching, PERIOD!!! You don't care a lick if you have to ride on a bus or drive cross country to play or watch the next game. You just want to be going! Ask Ursinus, Gettysburg, Muhlenberg or Dickinson players and fans if any of this algebra or these algorithms matter to them.You non athletes must just have time to kill at work or just like to see your thoughts in print. And to Mr. Lusty Larry as for no F&M fans complaining about this process of figuring who plays where and why, I guess for some reason you don't count because you've been on this soap box the longest this last week or two about all this nonsense. Now, as for all the ass kissing being planted on the cheeks of Mr. Robinson by certain F&M "fans" on this forum for a couple of months now, let me ask you "fans" this. Why is it through this whole "special" season for this winner of 800 games in 40 + YEARS of coaching I have not heard nary a peep from those who have coached against or for him,played for or against him or even those associated with this "legend in his own mind". All I've seen or heard is basically comments from the "fans" of F&M and of course the over hyped comments from the North Carolina coach who spent some "CAMP" time with him over the years. The bottom line is this. First, the true value and legacy of an individual  no matter what your profession or passion in life is to earn and have the respect, admiration and true praise of your fellow co-workers, professionals, adversaries, and peers. Second, is to conduct yourself with class, sportsmanship, humility, and a little humbleness, and to respect those you compete against or for. This "legend" has exhibited just the opposite and for a long time as far as I've heard, seen and discussed with many others. Many over these 40+ years have observed his arrogant, classless, obnoxious behavior and conduct over and over. So maybe, just maybe, there lies the answer as to why the only "good" press  this "legend" has received is mostly from those who don't compete, observe or interact with this man on a regular basis. And don't give me the weak jealousy defense on these comments because I've played and competed my whole life in sports and have had plenty of complimentary, positive, respectful praise for many of my adversaries and competition over the years. The great thing about sports is you perform or conduct yourself on a "stage" in front of many each time you go to "work". So the positive and negative attributes are that much more amplified, important and obvious. Passion is one thing, but Mr. Robinson, if I were the director for the stage in which you "perform", (literally), you would have gotten the proverbial hook a long time ago. Legend my ass! Enjoy the games this week true CC fans! Can't wait for October and the 2011,12 season. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2011, 03:38:53 PM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 03:17:55 PM
Why is it through this whole "special" season for this winner of 800 games in 40 + YEARS of coaching I have not heard nary a peep from those who have coached against or for him,played for or against him or even those associated with this "legend in his own mind".

Lots of former players and coaches—both assistant and opposing coaches—have chimed in about Robinson. The following stories have anecdotes from many:

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/350522

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09coach.html

http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-08/sports/27107218_1_marshall-s-robinson-f-m-ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 03:47:07 PM
Mr. Coco, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2011, 03:59:38 PM
Lusty: Seems like the dad of the jilted Ursinus player is cranky today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 03, 2011, 04:06:13 PM
Lusty-  great line from Billy Madison!  

Coco- if you want boring, watch the Bears next season or read your own post!  If you do not like the posts that people write then go find another forum to discuss Bears basketball and hate on Coach Robinson.  You may join bball2020 and Pat Coleman as F&M and Coach Robinson haters.  I am not interested in responding to your post because you should be spending time working on the Bears' exciting offseason!

Did you read the articles?  That may help to tell you what a class act Coach Robinson really is.  
Lots of former players and coaches—both assistant and opposing coaches—have chimed in about Robinson. The following stories have anecdotes from many:

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/350522

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09coach.html

http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-08/sports/27107218_1_marshall-s-robinson-f-m-ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 04:07:49 PM
also to clarify, i dont think it is fair to compare dickinson/gb to ursinus.  those two teams fought hard and made the CC playoffs, whereas Ursinus was so pathetic they couldnt even finish higher than 7th!  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 04:08:34 PM
OKAY r.w. Mcnickels, Thanks much, read those articles again as before and just as before saw no praise, comments of this legend as a classy, respected,beloved person most "legends" are labeled as. Let me repeat the endearing, personal comments made by ex players and coaches that are in these 3 articles you are using to make some point. "His teams play hard", "His system has been in place for a lot of years and worked", "Glenn sees himself as a professor", "It's a system of excellence", "Lost a run for the local house of representatives", (wonder why?), "Not a better practice coach". Wow! High praise, admiration, and respect for this coaching legend. Gotta do better than this you Robinson groupies.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 04:18:02 PM
i'm not going to go into a huge defense of Coach just because a jilted jealous ursinus fan is whining.  I dont know him and his wife personally, just know that many on campus think of them as fine people. 

That said, lets look at 5 guys who are considered among the five greatest coaches at the D1 level (Wooden, Smith, Knight, Rupp and Coach K).  Two are among the most well respected people in all of sport, one was a jackass, the 4th a borderline racist and the fifth a conniving troll whose histrionics are sometimes purposefully intolerable.  That said, have any of their legacies been affected, even 1%?  of course not.  So whatever you think of Coach, and trust me their are 1000's of dissenting views, it doesnt affect his legacy one iota.  Bye now
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 03, 2011, 04:30:38 PM
All I remember is that Coach Robinson beat Ursinus twice this season!  And he just won the Centennial Conference tournament two years in a row!  And he has 5 final four appearances.  Jerk or no jerk- the guy gets the wins and gets the job done.  Now would the Ursinus fan please go to the offseason forum. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2011, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: docmarc on March 03, 2011, 04:06:13 PM
Coco- if you want boring, watch the Bears next season or read your own post!  If you do not like the posts that people write then go find another forum to discuss Bears basketball and hate on Coach Robinson.  You may join bball2020 and Pat Coleman as F&M and Coach Robinson haters.  

Just because people don't drink the kool-aid doesn't make them haters. Just because we're not biased for you doesn't mean we're biased against you. When you hit your 30s, doesn't that become clear eventually?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 04:37:17 PM
Wow, golly gee guys a lot of substance and well made points to defend  this "Legend" and my opinion of him and what I've seen, heard and discussed with many others. Very articulate and adult like. "Ursinus pathetic", "insanely idiotic comments"," incoherent". How about giving me something better than this mature verbiage  to defend your ass kissing of this "legend in his own mind. The silence is deafening. As far as the Dad of a jilted Ursinus player my son's play speaks for it's self. Very grown up to bring my son into this. Not cranky here, just speaking what I see as reality and fact.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 04:50:25 PM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 04:37:17 PM
Wow, golly gee guys a lot of substance and well made points to defend

i appreciate that coco, LustyLarry always tries to bring substance to the table
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 04:52:38 PM
Hey Lusty, would love to meet or see in writing just a couple of these "1000's of dissenting views". Do they only come out after dark or what? Do they live in caves? You must be one of those who just like seeing their thoughts in print you literary giant you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 03, 2011, 04:59:35 PM
Coco reality and fact are based on results.  800 wins over 40 seasons means 20+ wins per year.  5 final four appearances.  Most number of centennial conference championships.  What other results and facts do you and bball and pat Coleman need. I care nothing about an opinion of someone who hates f and m based on the 1990s or his sons team losing twice to f and m or the quality of parking lots or away facilities. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 03:17:55 PM
First, the true value and legacy of an individual  no matter what your profession or passion in life is to earn and have the respect, admiration and true praise of your fellow co-workers, professionals, adversaries, and peers.

that is a patently absurd statement, as i pointed out in my previous post.  In order to have any legacy to be considered GOAT, which is what Coach is considered, one has to be successful.  

You also seem to insinuate coach doesnt have the respect of his co-workers, colleagues and peers.  I'd love to hear how you came to this conclusion.  And if you decide to tell, please try to use something less than a 37 line run on sentence.  They still teach grammar in Collegeville, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 03, 2011, 05:12:43 PM
TO: " ... in the toilet":

Rupp a mere "borderline" racist? How about an out-and-out bigot?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 03, 2011, 05:12:43 PM
" ... in the toilet":

Rupp a mere "borderline" racist? How about an out-and-out bigot?

CO-SIGN! I was concerned if i said full-fledged racist Coleman would go nuts and start deleting posts

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 03, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 03, 2011, 05:12:43 PM
" ... in the toilet":

Rupp a mere "borderline" racist? How about an out-and-out bigot?

CO-SIGN! I was concerned if i said full-fledged racist Coleman would go nuts and start deleting posts

No, you'd be way off base there ....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2011, 05:16:02 PM
cocoh: Your son is a very nice player...stop embarrassing him. He'll earn his rewards without your rants.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 05:22:19 PM
Hello Mr. Doc Marc, so what your telling me in defense of your coach is simply W'S AND L'S are all that matter. Your defense of him and that of all the other kool aid drinkers here, (as Mr, Coleman uses so well), does'nt surprise me. None of you scholars have even begun to get the point of my post and as I stated in that post, jealousy and hate for F&M have nothing to do with this. I have much respect, praise etc.. for many I have competed, cheered against, won and lost against for many years. No help for the lost I guess. Enjoy reality as you and the Robinson groupies see it. I feel sorry for you and your view of what's important and right in life.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 05:28:18 PM
no, im pretty sure what the Doc is saying is that you dont get to 800 wins over a 40 year career without being a pretty darn good coach.  you also dont get to keep a job long enough or get the players to win 800 games without being a great mentor, leader, person, etc. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 03, 2011, 05:41:42 PM
Saratoga, first, I'm very capable of knowing what embarrasses my son and I know it's not his Dad giving his honest opinion, (or ranting as you put it), of someone. My son is much more concerned with other, more important things in life right now. Second, your opinion of my son as a player is appreciated and yes I agree, he has already and will continue to earn his rewards as he goes along...Enjoy your evening
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 09:50:13 PM
so i listened to hoopsville along with about 25 other people while watching the Hall game.  Still didnt get any answers as to why F&M was sent to southern Virginia.  Was it a seeding issue, was it purposeful as a way of sending teams to new places?  I'll have to personally call the Commish and figure it out for my own edification. 

For what its worth, i expect a good interview when you have 72 hours to digest and dig thru the brackets (heck packer and nantz used to get about 72 seconds).  Dave was ok, he knew what he wanted to ask and got to a few key issues. But Pat, he's asking questions about 2012 before Dave can ask 2011 questions.  and 3 times he's going off about how, well WE know the reason but some fans might not.  it was as comical as expected with that guy 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
  Pat just wanted u 2 hear it from the NCAA instead of him proclaiming it; would have helped if the NCAA had said ahead of time that the teams were going to be sent into other regions at request of the coaches
  Enjoy the weekend;remember, comfort stop by the time u go past williamsburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 03, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
quite true Ronk and thanks, but i'm not gonna be able to make the drive.  too far coming from north jersey. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 03, 2011, 11:27:13 PM
Lusty- At what point will you let this go. If F&M is as good as you say they are than they should have no problem returning from their respective POD victorious. Tell Glenn to schedule better out of conference in region games on the road, win them, and then you will have your home games. Product of poor scheduling. 5-45 was the combined record of F&M's first two opponents with F&M winning both games, They lost to a good St. Marys team by 19, won versus a 16-10 C-M-S team, beat a 13-16 Suny Old Westbury team, lost to a good Ithaca team by 10 and beat a bad Lancaster Bible team. Playing in a down conference, what have they earned in comparison to other teams hosting. Their schedule was weak and loaded with home games, they had no signature wins (IMO), lost by double digits to both NCAA teams they played (Ithaca, St. Mary's) and had bad L's in the year.

Their resume is reletively boring. What signature win do they have? The CC Title game can not count because you said something along the lines that Dickinson would be one and done in the NCAA's so they obviously could not be considered a signature win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2011, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
 Pat just wanted u 2 hear it from the NCAA instead of him proclaiming it.

Exactly. Sometimes I wonder if you guys think I just make stuff up. Some people need to have it driven home to them so I emphasized those questions. Sorry if that's not the way you would do it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 04, 2011, 01:20:35 AM
in response to the back and forth going on i would say that this site is dominated by alot of love for F&M but i don't have a problem with it. everyone can root and show their support for whatever team in the conference they want. i would also say that fathers of players don't do their kids any good when they hype them up or complain about their awards (or lack thereof). the young men usually do a much better job of handling things like that then their dads, who often have an inflated sense of their kids ability and have difficulty handling things when they don't go their way. many kids don't get to play college ball, or are on a team and get little to no playing time. it's a good idea to keep things in perspective and appreciate what you have. kids who play big minutes from freshman year on are lucky, plain and simple. it is generally because no one is in front of them and that has to do with timing. also, just because a kid scores points doesn't mean he deserves an award at all, in my opinion. i would reward the complete player...the kid who plays D, the one that makes guys better, shoots for good percentage, scores in or near the 15 point zone, makes good decisions...plays hard on both ends of the floor and demonstrates an obvious desire to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 04, 2011, 05:56:12 AM
 One thing for the F+M people traveling to VWC after you come thru the tunnel the exit for VWC is clearly marked as such exit. I think it is exit 282, also after you get off the exit keep filtering to the right hand lane as you will be turning right at the second light.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 07:54:49 AM

Well said cent.  What time is the game tonight and who is broadcasting it?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 04, 2011, 08:30:04 AM
Centfan,


Really good post!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 08:30:22 AM
to hoopster:  You make good comments, and if you heard Hoopsville i think you would understand the reason i'm bringing the topic back up is it was specifically discussed with Dave Martin.  I've said all week, here and on other boards, i never expected F&M to host (although a case could be made they should host their pod, but thats not relevant to this discussion).  My issue is with them being sent all the way to Southern Virginia, a nearly impossible hike for F&M fans.  

On the show Martin used the NABC as a cover, without actually saying which coaches wanted more travel.  He then brought up the unrealistice notion of a DVC, FM, Cab and scranton pod, which all fans know you are not gonna get a four team MA pod.  We also have no idea if F&M is at VaWes because that is where they were seeded, or if it was meant (to borrow another posters quote), to let F&M partake in the NCAA's geographical diversity program.

To be fair, i never said those things about Dickinson, but i agree in principal that their schedule lacks any sort of pizzaz.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 04, 2011, 09:22:11 AM
Lusty- thought I saw you post re: If F&M lost to Dickinson, Dickinson would be one and done.... I went back and could not find it so my apologies.

Saw this posted on a high school blog pennlive.com. The post I am referring to should come right up but if not, it is post number 11069.

If true, Muhlenburg just got a stud mismatch 3/4. This guy is really good.


http://www.pennlive.com/forums/hshoopsboysc/

Not a Muhlenburg fan, but nice to see a kid like this in the C.C.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 04, 2011, 09:26:55 AM
Best of luck to all the tournament teams.

It would be quaint if F&M & Scranton could both pull off a victory against vey tough opponents tonight & follow it with monumental road upsets just to see what the NCAA would do (Scranton could be forced to host as a central location). Unfortunately I lost my travel partner to share a 7.5 hour drive to VWC to work related travel delay, so I sadly cannot witness the Friday game. Were they to play Saturday maybe I can find a way there. The Dips will go as far as Milligan, Baker & my current favorite player to watch Hayk can take them. It's made rougher by the fact that McNally seems far from 100% & comes off the bench as school's all-time leading scorer.

I was curious to see how the CSAC fared in the ESAC. A team that beat NCAA's highly regarded Keystone twice (Marywood) lost to LVC by nearly 60 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 09:31:21 AM
Whereever you get sent to play, just go and play! What good is it to come on here and complain EVERY day about going to Virginia?? Are you looking for the NCAA to look on this forum and say,"oh, Lusty the toilet is right, let's have the dips host or bring them to Cabrini!" give it a rest. I don't recall anybody complaining the year when Gburg beat F&M all three times and won the CC championship, and then was sent to play Wooster in OHIO!! I believe F&M hosted that year also, and went to the final four! So just let the GOAT coach his great player that he had nothing to do with recruiting play! You can thank Chris Rogers for this great run they are on. Funny how Coach Rogers wasnt asked his opinion about the GOAT in any of the recent articles?? Maybe it is because when he was trying to get a head coaching job the GOAT was nice enough to not give him a positive recommendation! And you can take that comment to the bank docmarc, very classy on the GOAT's behalf!!
Quit complaining and let the great players play. You are embarassing F&M' s tema by continuing to talk about it! Good luck to their TEAM, not his wife!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on March 04, 2011, 09:22:11 AM
Lusty- thought I saw you post re: If F&M lost to Dickinson, Dickinson would be one and done.... I went back and could not find it so my apologies.

Saw this posted on a high school blog pennlive.com. The post I am referring to should come right up but if not, it is post number 11069.

If true, Muhlenburg just got a stud mismatch 3/4. This guy is really good.


http://www.pennlive.com/forums/hshoopsboysc/

Not a Muhlenburg fan, but nice to see a kid like this in the C.C.

That'd be good if the Mules got him, good competition.  this was a surprisingly down year for the conference, and that really hurt F&M's chances at any strong wins in-conference.  the word 2 years ago was Muhlenberg was an up and coming program and would be at the top by now(didnt happen), and then you had the GBurg dismissals that obviously hurt them.  So F&M's only real competition was a depleted Bullets team and a Devils team that is a year away.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 09:31:21 AM
Whereever you get sent to play, just go and play! What good is it to come on here and complain EVERY day about going to Virginia?? Are you looking for the NCAA to look on this forum and say,"oh, Lusty the toilet is right, let's have the dips host or bring them to Cabrini!" give it a rest. I don't recall anybody complaining the year when Gburg beat F&M all three times and won the CC championship, and then was sent to play Wooster in OHIO!! I believe F&M hosted that year also, and went to the final four! So just let the GOAT coach his great player that he had nothing to do with recruiting play! You can thank Chris Rogers for this great run they are on. Funny how Coach Rogers wasnt asked his opinion about the GOAT in any of the recent articles?? Maybe it is because when he was trying to get a head coaching job the GOAT was nice enough to not give him a positive recommendation! And you can take that comment to the bank docmarc, very classy on the GOAT's behalf!!
Quit complaining and let the great players play. You are embarassing F&M' s tema by continuing to talk about it! Good luck to their TEAM, not his wife!!!!

who's chris rogers?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 09:31:21 AM
I don't recall anybody complaining the year when Gburg beat F&M all three times and won the CC championship, and then was sent to play Wooster in OHIO!!

i cant lie, that was quite funny
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2011, 09:52:07 AM
Why was it funny... because it's the truth? Same distance to travel as F&M is traveling to VWC, for the record.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
Come on now you big F&M fans?? Do you you really not know who brought in your entire team with out any help from the GOAT??  He was your assistant for around 7 years. Now he is the head coach at Marymount. He is the one that traveled to Don Bosco to bring in Brewer and Milligan, and went to NJ to get McNally. Certainly was not Glenn going to see them. He may have watched them on tape, maybe! So your true happiness for this run should be directed toward Coach rogers!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 09:54:30 AM
As is it is quite funny hearing you and docmarc complain each day about this trip!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 04, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
Come on now you big F&M fans?? Do you you really not know who brought in your entire team with out any help from the GOAT??  He was your assistant for around 7 years. Now he is the head coach at Marymount. He is the one that traveled to Don Bosco to bring in Brewer and Milligan, and went to NJ to get McNally. Certainly was not Glenn going to see them. He may have watched them on tape, maybe! So your true happiness for this run should be directed toward Coach rogers!


One of the best D3 recruiters to come through the Mid Atlantic....

http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/mBasketball/staff.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:01:23 AM
see bball, you are making my point for me.  how many Bullets fans rocked the house in Wooster?! But i'm sure Powers was more than happy to visit Central Ohio.

This Chris Rogers sounds like a good guy, i wish him well
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 10:06:57 AM
Not sure what you point is that I am making? 
But anyways, there was a lot of us there. We have many alumni in Ohio, and we had a lot of parent and school support. Very good turnout actually.
I would guess that Powers and co. were happy to go to Ohio, you would have to ask him how much he enjoyed it. But to be a part of the tournament is great no matter where they send you.
Maybe you need to organize an group to go and show support? Oh yeah, you aren't going to watch you GOAT in action!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 10:07:19 AM
Bball thanks for helping lusty in the toilet make his point.  Glad we agree on something.  And glenns wife will be down in Virginia so I will give her your regards.  Are you coming with your bentley or do the parking and away facilties not suit your needs?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 10:07:54 AM
Glad you wish Rogers well, because Robinson sure didn't!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:14:03 AM
bball, please define lots, 100? 500? i guess i'm just surprised you were at the game since the other day you whined about having to cross a street.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 04, 2011, 10:21:54 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 04, 2011, 09:26:55 AM
Best of luck to all the tournament teams.

It would be quaint if F&M & Scranton could both pull off a victory against vey tough opponents tonight & follow it with monumental road upsets just to see what the NCAA would do (Scranton could be forced to host as a central location). Unfortunately I lost my travel partner to share a 7.5 hour drive to VWC to work related travel delay, so I sadly cannot witness the Friday game. Were they to play Saturday maybe I can find a way there. The Dips will go as far as Milligan, Baker & my current favorite player to watch Hayk can take them. It's made rougher by the fact that McNally seems far from 100% & comes off the bench as school's all-time leading scorer.

I was curious to see how the CSAC fared in the ESAC. A team that beat NCAA's highly regarded Keystone twice (Marywood) lost to LVC by nearly 60 points.

D.B., good to see a post about basketball. There's a story on your favorite player in today's paper (link below). In the story, Robinson says N.C. Wesleyan has no true center but almost five wings. No word on whether the Bishops play zone. I hope McNally is feeling better, but I'd take a 60% James McNally over a lot of players.

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/358730
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 04, 2011, 10:22:07 AM
Gabriel..thanks.
this board is quite "active".
i am wondering...
is there a minimum age requirement to be on this board?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 10:25:11 AM
Wow, between you and docmarc I own a Bentley and now all of a Sudden I am whining about crossing the street!  You two crack me up, never have any insight, but quite funny!!
To define for you the attendance, i would estimate around 175-200. Not bad for such a long trip!
Hope that helps. Glad i was able to surprise you!
Now, between u and docmarc i am being told i proved a point! So i will ask
AGAIN, what was your point?
Please do send my regards to Asst Head coach for me docmarc! Does she do any recruiting for the program Since her husband doesn't?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 04, 2011, 10:27:52 AM
hayk is a nice player who plays within himself and will have a great career. seems like a nice kid also. he feels like another centennial conference big man who is more of a finesse player than a banger. generally, that is the way i see the bigs in this conference. good players but they generally don't like mixing it up inside.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 10:25:11 AM

To define for you the attendance, i would estimate around 175-200. Not bad for such a long trip!Now, between u and docmarc i am being told i proved a point! So i will ask
AGAIN, what was your point?


the point is you had 200 there, which is good for a long trip!  but what if GBurg played, say at F&M, Widener or even Stockton (the three pods that year closer to GB).  Wouldnt that have been a better experience for the fans, and even the players to play in playoff atmosphere in a gym their fans could attend?  Now instead of 200, you might have 500, 700 in a filled gym instead of 200 in a 2/3 filled gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 04, 2011, 10:41:27 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 10:25:11 AM

To define for you the attendance, i would estimate around 175-200. Not bad for such a long trip!Now, between u and docmarc i am being told i proved a point! So i will ask
AGAIN, what was your point?


the point is you had 200 there, which is good for a long trip!  but what if GBurg played, say at F&M, Widener or even Stockton (the three pods that year closer to GB).  Wouldnt that have been a better experience for the fans, and even the players to play in playoff atmosphere in a gym their fans could attend?  Now instead of 200, you might have 500, 700 in a filled gym instead of 200 in a 2/3 filled gym.

There were several hundred Gettysburg fans at the all-Centennial Sweet 16 game vs. Ursinus in Collegeville three years ago. It was like a CC title game on steroids. Which reminds me, the CC has gotten some decent hosting bids in recent years. That same year (2008), both Gettysburg and Ursinus hosted regional pods the first weekend before Ursinus hosted the sectional. And then F&M hosted in 2009. I'm OK with F&M traveling this year, as I was last year. I just think the issue is where they're heading.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 10:44:03 AM
Sure that would have been nice. It would have been great to host too! But that wasn't the case, we had to travel and deal with it. I guess my point is to deal with it and just win. I wish them well and hopw they get two wins and earn their way closer to home.
Just a side note, the year Gburg hosted, there were two teams that had to come from MA, Elms and Salem St., so they had a long trip. So no matter the case, someone is travelling, it just sucks when it is the team you root for. I can understand that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on March 04, 2011, 11:11:45 AM
There's ALWAYS at least one team every year that will have to travel a couple hundred miles to play a pod.  Would I have prefered Western to play at WPI, Ramapo, or Williams schools that are all closer then Middlebury??  Absolutely, but thats the break, and you just have to deal with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 04, 2011, 10:21:54 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 04, 2011, 09:26:55 AM
Best of luck to all the tournament teams.

It would be quaint if F&M & Scranton could both pull off a victory against vey tough opponents tonight & follow it with monumental road upsets just to see what the NCAA would do (Scranton could be forced to host as a central location). Unfortunately I lost my travel partner to share a 7.5 hour drive to VWC to work related travel delay, so I sadly cannot witness the Friday game. Were they to play Saturday maybe I can find a way there. The Dips will go as far as Milligan, Baker & my current favorite player to watch Hayk can take them. It's made rougher by the fact that McNally seems far from 100% & comes off the bench as school's all-time leading scorer.

I was curious to see how the CSAC fared in the ESAC. A team that beat NCAA's highly regarded Keystone twice (Marywood) lost to LVC by nearly 60 points.

D.B., good to see a post about basketball. There's a story on your favorite player in today's paper (link below). In the story, Robinson says N.C. Wesleyan has no true center but almost five wings. No word on whether the Bishops play zone. I hope McNally is feeling better, but I'd take a 60% James McNally over a lot of players.

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/358730

rw, i was able to do a statistical analysis of F&M before and after the mcnally injury, and i was shocked to find their efficiency stats are almost identical.  The only difference has been they are now playing at a significantly slower pace than they were before the injury.  That could cause the right team fits, especially a running team like NCW.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 11:36:46 AM

I think the dips will step it up on defense and win going away tonight.  Anyone already in Norfolk?  I will be down there tomorrow for 7PM.  Tonights game is at 530
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 11:37:59 AM
Lusty do you have spécifics on those stats?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:49:46 AM
doc i use a generic pace stat, which is fgm, opponetns DR, ft's made and offensive turnovers, then get a pace pergame.  i then divide by ppg and points allowed per g to get the offensive and defensive efficiencies.   i deleted the page with the last few games on it, i just have the season stats on my main spreadsheet
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 12:15:35 PM
Do you have the specific numbers?  I am not an accountant I do not care how you got to those numbers. Lol
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 04, 2011, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:49:46 AM
doc i use a generic pace stat, which is fgm, opponetns DR, ft's made and offensive turnovers, then get a pace pergame.  i then divide by ppg and points allowed per g to get the offensive and defensive efficiencies.   i deleted the page with the last few games on it, i just have the season stats on my main spreadsheet

Lusty- You should also try to use the following= FG%, FT%, Asst to TO, total rebounding margin minus dead ball rebounds, OPP Offensive reb, TO margin, OPP FG%. I think that could give you a tighter look at "Efficacy". I would stay away from PPG since a team could score high totals with low percantages. IMO percantage is more percise in finding efficiency compared to totals. Would be interested to see the two theories results in comparison.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 12:41:24 PM
Bball you keep complaining about Glenn Robinson and his recruiting.  I see them in the NCAA tourney and your team not in the tourney.  So who is better at recruiting.  You cannot judge the current freshmen class as they cannot play much with the talent in front of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 12:42:37 PM


I will say hi to glenns wife and I will ask her to cut down the nets at Gettysburg when f and m beats the bullets in your gym next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 12:43:35 PM
i like that, still some trouble defininig the formula though.  you mean an addition of those first four items minus the next four?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 04, 2011, 01:05:41 PM
To be honest, I don't know what the exact formula would be, I could have stated my last post differently. I should have said:

IMO, the following stats should be used when trying to look at a teams efficiency for games played to date.

FG%
OPP FG%
FT%
OPP FT%
Total Rebounds, not including dead ball rebounds
OPP Offensive Reb
TO Margin and/or Ast to TO margin.

I personally would leave out PPG because if looking for efficiency, a percantage would give you a tighter look than a whole number. I just don't know how you could create a formula with that. (Not a math guy!)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 01:11:36 PM
Thank you for proving my point docmarc! Glenn does not recruit, and that is a fact. His assistants are the one's who go out and recruit! Did you even read my post on Chris Roger's?? Please don't tell me you don't know who he is like lusty! Coach Rogers recruited this entire team, so be thankful to him! They are running the system that was installed when Chris got there! When he left for Marymount, with no help from Glenn, the only thing that changed was the current freshmen class, which is subpar compared to Rogers recruits! And yes, i can say this about them because I saw them play when they were being recruited by f&m's assistants, not Glenn. So i would say Chris is an excellent recruiter, Glenn, not so much.
I wouldn't be surprised if she would want to cut them down since everything is about the two of them.
Also, you better becareful about making such predictions before you know what the teams will be like next year! You may be surprised at the recruiting classes that gburg and others bring in! I know it is hard for you to be humble though, typical!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 01:32:14 PM
bball, saying glenn is a bad coach because he might not recruit anymore is like saying joe paterno is a bad coach because he might not recruit anymore.

Yet, both squads are still getting top level recruits. . . .interesting
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on March 04, 2011, 01:05:41 PM
To be honest, I don't know what the exact formula would be, I could have stated my last post differently. I should have said:

IMO, the following stats should be used when trying to look at a teams efficiency for games played to date.

FG%
OPP FG%
FT%
OPP FT%
Total Rebounds, not including dead ball rebounds
OPP Offensive Reb
TO Margin and/or Ast to TO margin.

I personally would leave out PPG because if looking for efficiency, a percantage would give you a tighter look than a whole number. I just don't know how you could create a formula with that. (Not a math guy!)


thanks.  the way ive been doing it is more of just a quick and dirty method (it works better with nba since hollinger does all that stuff for me and gets inot the details ur looking at), biggest problem with d3 sometimes is finding the data
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on March 04, 2011, 01:49:18 PM
If you want to talk offensive and defensive efficiency by team, you are talking:

Offensive Rating (points scored per 100 possessions) = (Points Scored x 100)/Possessions

and

Defensive Rating (points scored per 100 possessions) = (Points Allowed x 100)/Possessions

As we often don't have easy access to total possessions, the accepted possessions estimate formula for college basketball is:

Possessions = .96 * (FGA − ORb + TO + (.475 * FTA))

Plug into excel and have fun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APBRmetrics

Offensive and defensive ratings are great stats because they are based on a fixed number of possessions, rather than "per game." Pace plays a big role in per-game stats. Offensive and defensive ratings helps destroy the myth that teams who always play games in the 50s are always good defensive teams and teams that play games in the 80s are always poor defensive teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
thanks a lot sunny, i forget where i got it from, i was using

Fg made + opponents defensive rebounds + to + 1/2 FTmade, i will definitely redo using new formula and see how compares
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 02:07:52 PM
I am starting to wonder if lusty and domarc share the same brain. Both bringing up Joe Paterno, lofty comparison! Interesting that both coaches have a lot of people that don't care for them! Also the same concern i have, neither recruit. Have u seen PSU's classes lately? Not very good! Nobody said he was a bad coach, just not respected. When you can't fulfill the job description it is time to go. Pretty sure recruiting is important part of coaching!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 02:15:23 PM
this really isnt a psu board, but like F&M's psu recruiting classes have been strong as of late.  Strong enough to win at least. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 02:22:59 PM
Bball how can you judge the recent recruiting class for f and m.  They are the deepest team in the centennial conference so the first years are not going to get as much time.  You may want to take some classes at f and m to learn proper analysis. The comparison with psu and Joe pa is fair. Grob and Joe pa are legendary coaches who are still doing the job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 02:23:53 PM
Why did u mention PSU then?
And no, there classes have not been very good.
Just like f&m's freshmen class.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 02:30:38 PM
Docmarc, do you read the post before you respond??
I clearly explained how i know their freshmen abilities!
No classes needed, do u need a reading class??
I wouldn't bring up taking classes at f&m! U would think gburg and f&m are similar and their standards are similar, but it certainly is not. I will not bring up names as to who plays for you team that gburg couldn't touch because academically didn't cut it.
So please stick to basketball talk.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 04, 2011, 02:35:14 PM
Sunny: Great post. Thanks!

I guess I wondered a bit from the main point and was looking at it from more of a scouting report standpoint. I was thinking more along the lines of where teams strengths and weaknesses compare and as a result, how one team may plan to attack another or what areas they may look to take advantage of with the fact of never seeing one team play.

This would tell me F&M needs to defend the 3pt line and contest shooters (NCWC 36.1% 3pt FG%), NWCW may defend the perimeter well (NCWC OPP 3pt FG% 26.8%) so F&M should will look to create an inside attack before, then work outside, F&M can trade a foul for an easy basket defensively in spots and with certain players (NCWC Ft% 62.2%), F&M should be able to create turnovers and convert in transition (NWCW -1.2 TO Margin while F&M is +4.6), can attack and dominate the glass (NCWC gave up 379 Off reb and were only +.3 in total rebound margin to F&M's +6.7 total rebound margin).

                            F&M        NCWC

FG%-                    46.5%     46.3
OPP FG%-             41.4%     42.3
3PT FG%-             30.8%      36.1
OPP 3PT FG%-      31.3%     26.8%
FT%-                     70.8%     62.2%
OPP FT ATT-          513          562
ASST TO TO-          +.6          +.8
TO MARGIN-          +4.6         -1.2
REB MARGIN-        +6.7         +.3
OPP OFF REB-        245         379

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 02:30:38 PMI will not bring up names as to who plays for you team that gburg couldn't touch because academically didn't cut it.

You definitely should not. Nobody has any proof of anything that can be shown here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 04:03:51 PM
The proof of how the new recruits perform will be based on the next three years on the court.  Do you not read bball?  Your opinion is biased so we will look at the numbers three years from now.  Hopefully you learn how to cross a street by then to go to the gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 04, 2011, 04:05:03 PM
bball2020,
 Don't want to jump back into this circus except to say thanks for helping to make some of my points from my post #3103 in your post of #3137. It seems that when you come with substance, opinion and insight on the untouchable F&M "GOAT" on this forum, what you get back is name calling, and dumbed down verbiage directed to you and the team you follow and support. No substance, insight or coherent defense of this "GOAT" what so ever except comments on W'S AND L'S. You know, the real important things in life.  Also as you stated in a round about way, most of those that have been associated with him over the years have taken the high road when asked for positive personal comments about this coach as a man or human being.  As my grandmother always said, "If you don't have anything nice to say............".  Enjoy the games and the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 04:23:39 PM
Sorry docmarc, i forgot that your comments aren't biased whatsoever!!!
Give me a break, i bring up facts and want to go back with lust and talk about crossing the street again.what the hell is it with you two and crossing the street? Who mentioned anything about trouble crossing the street?? I believe you need to find a new punch line or at least direct it towards somebody who said they have trouble crossing them.
Continue on with your UNBIASED opinions!

Thanks cocoh20dad, i appreciate the kind words. Apparently they need to not have an age limit to post, but make it that u must be an F&M fan!! I think they have a great team, and their players are tremendous, it is their coach who gives them a bad name!! Look at how many times a player for them is mentioned by lust and docmarc.... It won't take long to count them up. But look how often they speak of their GOAT!! i simply don't think the players get their deserved attention, it goes to somebody who wouldn't know who any of them were if not for Rogers and other assistants!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on March 04, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
agreed bball2020,
bottom line is it should always be about the players overall growth as young men and the experience of playing college ball, but this coach most of the time believes it's about him, evidence his actions while at work. Don't get or understand the fascination and hero worship by these guys and part of this forum with this man. Doesn't take much upstairs to wade through the shallow waters of this coach and get to his real substance or lack there of. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 05:50:31 PM
What is up with this Silverlight software that is needed to watch the game!  THIS SUCKS!  If I ever get to watch the game, I hope the camera does a better job than last year during the tourney.

And as far as F&M players, let's talk about the player of the year in the Centennial Conference who was plastered all over the F&M and D3 hoops webpages- G. Milligan!  Is that a player to start with.  How Mcnally is going to the All Star game.  How Haek has developed.  ETC ETC ETC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 05:57:12 PM
the silverlight stream is terrible, its 90 seconds behind and cuts out every second.  the audio is ok.

that said, there is nobody there.  i mean i fully expected a bunch of confederate flag waving hicks, so i guess its better than the alternative, but again just an awfull job by the NCAA letting these athletes play a "playoff" game in front of a 3/4 empty gym. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 05:59:58 PM
bball you are the only person who thinks a coach with 800 wins has given his school a bad name.  perhaps you are just jealous that you couldnt get a job on his staff, i dont know who you are or your backstory, but your comments are laughably bitter.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 06:01:51 PM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on March 04, 2011, 04:05:03 PM
bball2020,
No substance, insight or coherent defense of this "GOAT" what so ever except comments on W'S AND L'S.

isnt that what makes GOAT?  i'm sorry, i must be missing something
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2011, 06:09:51 PM
Larry,
  lot of empty seats at Williams for Scranton's game, also.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 07:07:30 PM
This game is over!  F and m really stepped up in the last 10 minutes. Haek and milligan get stars for the game.  Baker had 11 boards.  The team is good and they have a test tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 07:08:14 PM
thank god I am going to the game tomorrow.  This broadcaster online is bad!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 08:04:39 PM
Any thoughts from folks who were in Norfolk tonight?  Nice win to move onto the second round.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 08:15:11 PM
Don't think i am the only one who thinks that lusty! It would be hard to be on his staff when i am not a coach!  But u seem to knoe it all.
But i will do what u do from now on when someone proves a point.....
Lusty u must be jealous. Your comments are laughable!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
WINNING!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 08:21:21 PM
once again a week's worth of debate will be left on the cutting room floor, with all the F&M points justified by tonights results.  GMC embarrassed the CSAC (as expected).  and with all the vast diversity demanded by the NCAA Scranton, F&M and other schools played to 3/4 empty buildings. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopla on March 04, 2011, 08:32:39 PM
Lusty,
Not to be disagreeable, but I am watching the Va. Wesleyan - DVC game and the gym is full.  You have to remember, the second game features the home team and generally the attendance is much higher for that game.  I have been to many Division III playoff games in the past and this is almost always the case.  Each of the visiting teams will normally get a certain amount of tickets for a pre-sale, while the home team gets the rest.  Thus, the reason home court is such an advantage!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
quite true hoopla, ur always going to get unfilled gyms.  but if you have closer commutes that would definitely pump up the attendance of the early game. 

as a side note relating to the nescac, i want the announcer of this williams game to be the deejay at my wedding. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 09:19:46 PM
wow, ths williams game is crazy.  the ref just called an egregious offensive foul inside the mythical circle. instead of going ahead 1 williams comes back hits a 3 now gets a steal and will be up 6.  a great fight by Husson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 04, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
I agree the coverage was terrible--wrong players/wrong teams.
Wish I could be there.  Only consolation, I had the opportunity to sit in an F-15 and climb out on the wings.
What's wrong with McNally,only played 8 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 10:55:25 PM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 08:15:11 PM
Don't think i am the only one who thinks that lusty! It would be hard to be on his staff when i am not a coach!  But u seem to knoe it all.
But i will do what u do from now on when someone proves a point.....
Lusty u must be jealous. Your comments are laughable!!

What is laughable is that F&M is in the second round of the NCAA tourney and your team is enjoying it on a computer.  The proof is in the pudding- legendary coach, supporting wife, Player of the Year 2011 with Milligan, All American with McNally, etc. etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopla on March 04, 2011, 10:59:41 PM
You are absolutely right Lusty in regards to games being a bit closer to home.  The attendance and atmosphere in many gyms would definitely be better.  However, if they did that we would not have the opportunity to see what I believe will be a great game tomorrow when F&M plays Va. Wesleyan.  Should be a great game between two great programs!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 11:00:48 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 04, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
I agree the coverage was terrible--wrong players/wrong teams.
Wish I could be there.  Only consolation, I had the opportunity to sit in an F-15 and climb out on the wings.
What's wrong with McNally,only played 8 minutes.

Baker, Haek, and Miligan had such great games and played so many minutes that Mcnally did not need to play much and Grob could go with a 7 man rotation.  Mcnally still is suffering with that leg injury and potentially issues from the concussion still.  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 04, 2011, 10:59:41 PM
You are absolutely right Lusty in regards to games being a bit closer to home.  The attendance and atmosphere in many gyms would definitely be better.  However, if they did that we would not have the opportunity to see what I believe will be a great game tomorrow when F&M plays Va. Wesleyan.  Should be a great game between two great programs!!

I am concerned about away tickets for the F&M crowd.  I hope they save a few for those going tomorrow.

I think F&M will have to play a nearly flawless game to beat VA W.  However, I will say that I do not want to hear anymore from the people of the world who said that F&M does not have any wins in the South and vs. a conference champion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 11:15:17 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 05:59:58 PM
bball you are the only person who thinks a coach with 800 wins has given his school a bad name.  perhaps you are just jealous that you couldnt get a job on his staff, i dont know who you are or your backstory, but your comments are laughably bitter.



F&M is a terrible school because of Coach Glenn Robinson.  Just like the Cowboys are a terrible football franchise because of Jerry Jones and the Yankees are a terrible baseball team because of George Steinbrenner.  Bball is clueless!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
WINNING!!

WINNING!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 11:42:02 PM
Quote from: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 11:15:17 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 04, 2011, 05:59:58 PM
bball you are the only person who thinks a coach with 800 wins has given his school a bad name.  perhaps you are just jealous that you couldnt get a job on his staff, i dont know who you are or your backstory, but your comments are laughably bitter.



F&M is a terrible school because of Coach Glenn Robinson.  Just like the Cowboys are a terrible football franchise because of Jerry Jones and the Yankees are a terrible baseball team because of George Steinbrenner.  Bball is clueless!

doc, this is the same guy who whined about having to cross a street a few days ago.  he does a good enough job proving he's clueless on his own.  that said, i like him, at least he doesnt hide behind his son when he posts here!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 05, 2011, 12:24:43 AM
Quote from: docmarc on March 04, 2011, 11:00:48 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 04, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
I agree the coverage was terrible--wrong players/wrong teams.
Wish I could be there.  Only consolation, I had the opportunity to sit in an F-15 and climb out on the wings.
What's wrong with McNally,only played 8 minutes.

Baker, Haek, and Miligan had such great games and played so many minutes that Mcnally did not need to play much and Grob could go with a 7 man rotation.  Mcnally still is suffering with that leg injury and potentially issues from the concussion still.  

I believe coach Robinson mentioned in a interview played online at halftime of one of the CC tournament games that McNally had actually not even been a participant in practices since the concussion.  It wasn't clear if this was a direct result of the concussion or other issues that coincided with the recovery (such as leg issues).  Regardless, it was clear that Robinson felt that McNally wasn't able to be on the same page as the rest of the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 05, 2011, 12:38:31 AM
Looks like a tough task for depleted Dips against VWC in Norfolk. Coach Macedo's crew reminded me of a super powered, taller, deeper version of the Battlin Bishop squad that gave Dips some trouble until late. It will be on the road with 90% of a hostile crowd in an uproar (however a bit reminiscent of the St. Mary's Sweet 16 game in that regard).

Heck even that sinister Marlin image on center court might give me nightmares. It makes Moby Dick, the legendary Kraken or even the mechanical Jaws monster look like Lassie.

In any case, I'll still root my heroic figures of Milligan & Baker (+McNally & Tolliver) And my new D3 icon Hayk to finish up with a push for a Hoops-shaking upset to finish their careers in Western Mass or RI so I can see them in person one final time & repay all of the positive energy they have given me with an in person salute to the Sunset or Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 05, 2011, 07:59:56 AM
When is the F&M game and will it be on video to watch? I just feel awful for McNally not being full strength for the NCAA tournament. He has worked so hard to get to this point. I hope somehow he makes a comeback so he can enjoy his last game(s). Good luck to all the F&M fans on here. I hope that you all will cheer for Swarthmore next year in the NCAA's. Hey a guy can dream! =)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 08:30:00 AM
Swat, the game is at 7pm.  as per viewing capabilities, last night the video feed was borderline unwatchable.  Cut out too many times, and was roughly 90 seconds behind live stats and 30 seconds behind the audio.  hopefully it'll be better tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2011, 08:41:53 AM
Winning!  Too funny.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 05, 2011, 09:18:50 AM
Congrats F&M.

IMO- If F&M is to win tonight I think they need to shy away from the 3 ball a bit on offense. They shot over 46% from the field total and included in that number was a very bad 2-14 from 3 for just over 14%. Their shot selection was poor from behind the line while their bigs shot the ball at an efficient rate and took smart good shoots. Hayk, Baker and James were 6-7, 5-9, and 4-8 respectively. Pass up a good three look for a better look inside and they can shoot 55%plus from the field. When F&M attacks the lane and gets the ball inside for touches early in the shot clock, they become dominant. When they settle for early, bad jumpers and just swing or dribble the ball around the perimeter, they are very beatable (i.e Dickinson last game of reg season). Big games from Hayk, Baker and James gives F&M a better shot at winning than doing it with their gaurds. Everyone has guards (for the most part) at this point in the tourny; not every team has talented bigs who can defend, play one on one in the post on D (not needing much help so you dont have to leave shooters on the perimeter to double down or across) and can score. \
Good luck F&M and F&M fans....... Travel safe , weather may be slightly messy!
I am going Lusty and Doc v BBall and Coleman in a tag team version of celebrity death match!To take place at halftime of the CC tourny next year! lol
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 05, 2011, 09:24:25 AM
hoopster, not a bad idea. The one weakness VWC has is that their big men are not big. If you pound them inside you  my have a chance. If you all try to run with them (IMO) it's over ,finished, done.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2011, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 08:30:00 AM
Swat, the game is at 7pm.  as per viewing capabilities, last night the video feed was borderline unwatchable.  Cut out too many times, and was roughly 90 seconds behind live stats and 30 seconds behind the audio.  hopefully it'll be better tonight. 

The quality got better in the second half, along with the delay issue.  The broadcaster sounded like a college freshman and he was messing up information.  I do not care though- I will be there live tonight!  
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 05, 2011, 12:02:43 PM
Lusty and docmarc, you two clowns are still proving your ignorance!  When will this end, when F&M gets knocked out? Docmarc, I AGAIN, wonder why you continue to mention that fandm is still playing and my team is at home?? Is this suppose to make me feel bad?  It just isn't working. Considering I don't play for gettysburg or coach them, I have more important things to concern myself about then what their outcomes are.  I guess is what I am saying is that my day is not decided on a team, be it F&M or Gettysburg.  But, I see that F&M and Glenn's family is your life which is fine. 
I wish one of you two clowns could answer my question as to who has trouble crossing the street?  The both of you continue to bring this up and I don't know who said this?  Please help?
And finally you F&M lovers, you don't even know your own team! Neither knew who recruited the players that you are bragging about, and now docmarc thinks that McNally had a concussion!! You two are a disgrace to F&M's players, please quit embarrassing your team.  You are making yourselves look very foolish, which "I can't lie, is quite funny!"
Your opinions are laughable at best.  But at least they are not biased whatsoever?
Good luck to F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2011, 12:24:14 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 05, 2011, 12:38:31 AM
Looks like a tough task for depleted Dips against VWC in Norfolk. Coach Macedo's crew reminded me of a super powered, taller, deeper version of the Battlin Bishop squad that gave Dips some trouble until late. It will be on the road with 90% of a hostile crowd in an uproar (however a bit reminiscent of the St. Mary's Sweet 16 game in that regard).

Heck even that sinister Marlin image on center court might give me nightmares. It makes Moby Dick, the legendary Kraken or even the mechanical Jaws monster look like Lassie.


Imagine the women's final four played there. I went to one of those and because of TV, they put a NCAA logo over the Marlins logo. That logo was gigantic.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on March 05, 2011, 09:18:50 AM
Congrats F&M.

IMO- If F&M is to win tonight I think they need to shy away from the 3 ball a bit on offense. They shot over 46% from the field total and included in that number was a very bad 2-14 from 3 for just over 14%. Their shot selection was poor from behind the line while their bigs shot the ball at an efficient rate and took smart good shoots. Hayk, Baker and James were 6-7, 5-9, and 4-8 respectively. Pass up a good three look for a better look inside and they can shoot 55%plus from the field. When F&M attacks the lane and gets the ball inside for touches early in the shot clock, they become dominant. When they settle for early, bad jumpers and just swing or dribble the ball around the perimeter, they are very beatable (i.e Dickinson last game of reg season). Big games from Hayk, Baker and James gives F&M a better shot at winning than doing it with their gaurds. Everyone has guards (for the most part) at this point in the tourny; not every team has talented bigs who can defend, play one on one in the post on D (not needing much help so you dont have to leave shooters on the perimeter to double down or across) and can score. \
Good luck F&M and F&M fans....... Travel safe , weather may be slightly messy!
I am going Lusty and Doc v BBall and Coleman in a tag team version of celebrity death match!To take place at halftime of the CC tourny next year! lol

great analysis hoops.  if fandm plays smart tonight i think they will win. VaWes has a low shooting percentage. IF F&M takes smart shots and limits possessions the game will play right into their hands
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 05, 2011, 01:39:08 PM
The Luster-

That's what I was trying to get at when we were talking about a teams efficiency.... Find what you do best and drill it all day. That will eventually take the pressure off of what you struggle at and allow those things to come rather force (i.e 2-14 from 3, with most of their shots being truly contested). Pounding in will open out.

Then find what you do best defensively, dominate it, take care of the ball and be smart in transition and you will be practicing Monday/Tuesday. If not, you will be watching the second weekend online, hopefully with a better feed/anouncer!

Jay Wright said it best at a coaching clinic... "Focus on what you do (you do= offense, defense, player rotation, transition) and be great at it. Never change what you do because of who you are playing. If you don't believe enough in what you do, then you should probably be doing somehting else. At Villanova, we worry about us, our D, our sets, our transition and effort. We talk about opponents inidividual tendencies, show an inbounds play or two and thats that, we go eat."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2011, 03:16:34 PM
What's bball2020's axe to grind?
Shouldn't Centennial Conference followers support Centennial teams?  If a Centennial team wins, it makes the league look better.
I supported Gettysburg and Ursinus in the past, and I'll even support Swarthmore next year.
I talk to F&M team members every day, so the word concussion has been used on a regular basis.  The extent of the concussion has fluctuated. 
I agree F&M has to forget the three and pound the ball inside.  Baker, Hayk, and, hopefully, McNally can provide the support Milligan needs; and Tolliver and Beckford can add some consistent shooting.
Wish I could be there, but I'll be missing only my fourth game of the season, the most I've missed in one season for a long time.
If F&M can win, I'll be there next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2011, 03:23:14 PM
Hey genius bball why was mcnally out of action for several games in late January?  If it was not a concussion which was listed what was the injury.  Maybe you had a concussion as a kid because you continuously look bad on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2011, 03:27:58 PM
The tag team match with lusty would be funny.  I do not think bball can make it because of the awful parking that he claims is present at f and m.  Good analysis of the game everyone.  This is a tougher test than last year at st marys but not impossible.  F and m has to handle the zone well which they do inconsistently.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2011, 03:30:14 PM
VA Wesleyan stats
Category   Rank   Actual   
Won-Lost Percentage (402 ranked)   13   85.2   
Scoring Offense (402 ranked)   100   74.7   
Scoring Defense (402 ranked)   72   64.9   
Scoring Margin (402 ranked)   31   9.8   
Field-Goal Percentage (402 ranked)   242   43.2   
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (402 ranked)   182   43.3   
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (402 ranked)   59   7.7   
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (320 ranked)   152   34.7   
Three Pt FG Defense (402 ranked)   83   31.7   
Free-Throw Percentage (402 ranked)   205   68.7   
Rebound Margin (402 ranked)   133   2.2   
Assists Per Game (402 ranked)   270   12.4   
Assist Turnover Ratio (402 ranked)   113   0.99   
Blocked Shots Per Game (402 ranked)   54   4.0   
Steals Per Game (402 ranked)   130   8.0   
Turnovers Per Game (402 ranked)   63   12.6   
Turnover Margin (402 ranked)   21   4.3   Grin
Personal Fouls Per Game (402 ranked)   284   19.5   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 05, 2011, 04:45:44 PM
Quote from: docmarc on March 05, 2011, 03:27:58 PM
The tag team match with lusty would be funny.  I do not think bball can make it because of the awful parking that he claims is present at f and m.  Good analysis of the game everyone.  This is a tougher test than last year at st marys but not impossible.  F and m has to handle the zone well which they do inconsistently.
If this is a tougher test than what you had at St. Mary's last year the dips are in real trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 05, 2011, 05:34:03 PM
Agree with reserved seat, i do wish the CC well, and f&m too! I never mentioed anywhere that inwanted them to lose. I hope they continue to win. I just think lusty and docmarc are sad and ridiculous! Although i do thank docmarc for calling me a genious! That was nice. Since when does a chiropractor solve concussions??
Again, best of luck to f&m.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 05, 2011, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: bball2020 on March 04, 2011, 02:30:38 PM
Docmarc, do you read the post before you respond??
I clearly explained how i know their freshmen abilities!
No classes needed, do u need a reading class??
I wouldn't bring up taking classes at f&m! U would think gburg and f&m are similar and their standards are similar, but it certainly is not. I will not bring up names as to who plays for you team that gburg couldn't touch because academically didn't cut it.
So please stick to basketball talk.


If you wish to laud academic prowess, you may wish to avoid typing "genious" in the future. It really doesn't help your case to incorrectly spell such a basic word, when you are talking about academics.

Several people here, including Pat Coleman, have been interested in discussing the basketball side of it. Why must you insist on trolling like this, with the parented troll defense of the halfhearted "I'll be rooting for F&M" defense?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2011, 06:02:04 PM
Thanks for the good wishes bball.  Enjoy the game it should be a good one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 06:11:29 PM
Dare i say that this board is degenerating into "the toilet?"  donho, if VWC is tougher than SMC that doesnt mean F&M is in trouble.  F&M won that game, and has an even more experienced team than last year.  The fear about SMC was, with their offense, they could blow f&M out of the building.  If VaW wins tonight, i would expect it to go like last years Elite 8 game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2011, 06:45:52 PM

Bball let's stop lying to the folks.  Are you an assistant coach of Gettysburg?  Why did you say you are not a coach or you do not care about the bullets.  And let's clarify mcnally injury.  OT started as a concussion which then became a pinched nerve in the neck which can be assisted by a chiropractor.  He then had a knee injury. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 05, 2011, 06:48:34 PM
Ok, i will cave in. I love f&m! I agree with everyone on here about their wonderful coach! His record speaks for itself! I don't know how anyone can question their coach or program. I truly envy grob. I hope my change of stance will now welcome me into the club!

Now as for basketball, does VA Wes play any zone? I actually think that with all of the zones the dips have been seeing that they ate getting better at handling it. Basically u can't pressure them because Milligan is so solid with the ball that they don't need to waste Brewer or Tolliver in the backcourt. So that give them an advantage in being able to leak out and run and use their athletic ability. I also think Baker is deadly from 17 feet and in, especially from foul line area. And Hayk and James can roam down low block to block. So they can basically use their hi low action the same as they do against man to man.
They are very difficult to defens with such great post players, especially since all of them have good range. I would love to see Tollivwr get hot and have a good game. If he can hit some 3's it will open up the game and the paint for the big three!
What's up with Kevin Henry? He was a great recruit out of Owen J Roberts with great athletic abilities, although a little weak physically. I really thought he would be a contributor his soph year! I know he has had some shoulder problems, any other info on him??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 05, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
 I was responding to the fact that an ODAC member sent F+M home from St. Mary's last year.

Now go ahead and take some more karma cause I dared to post on the cc site.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 05, 2011, 06:53:37 PM
No docmarc, not a coach. I wish though, it seems like it would be a great job. I actually am just a big fan of them, but don't live in the area. I have a lot of close friends around the CC so i hear a lot. May not all be true but i do trust most of my friends. Have u heard something similar though about his injury? I too heard it was a nerve issue and not a concussion. Which is why i questioned a chiropractor.
Good luck to the dips.
Enjoy the game docmarc, i think u said u were making the trip?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 05, 2011, 07:01:47 PM
I am at the game.  Nothing like mayser and the student section is poor.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 05, 2011, 07:05:38 PM
Their students aren't on spring break are they?
Otherwise, shame on them for not supporting their team in such a big game!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 05, 2011, 07:47:18 PM
Georgio ... spectacular 1h so far...

BTW - GRob spent days in Bergen County recruiting the Don Bosco boys... my nephew was at DBPrep and GRob and their coach have hit it off personally..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 05, 2011, 08:00:53 PM
I wonder how the VWC coach feels... the last time he saw F&M was when he was a senior captain for Wilkes in '96... Lost by 33 to the Dips and GRob... I was there and it was an ugly ugly game...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 08:42:59 PM
as usual, d3 refs dont understand the definition of travel.  i felt there were some bad foul calls, but that part of the game was pretty even.  the problem was the inconsistency in the travelling.  figures, the piaa gets better refs than d3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 05, 2011, 08:53:51 PM
Great run by a great group of seniors!
Congrats to that group and what they accomplished the last 4 years!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 08:55:26 PM
i have to admit, i cant believe with all the discussion we had this week i allowed coleman to get away with the argument: "be happy you get to watch the game on the internet."  I completely forgot last year, where the coverage cuts in and out and the announcers are obviously host announcers, so you get the host school bias.  Funny how the coverage doesnt cut out at Mayser, but thats neither here nor there.  I mistakenly conceded that point during the early week discussion, so i will go lock myself in the handicap stall for ten minutes to reflect.  

the va wesleyan coverage was a joke in the first half, kept cutting in and out.  i shouldve gone, but then again i dont salute the confederate flag so i'm not sure i'm welcome in Southen VA!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 05, 2011, 08:58:27 PM
Great run by a great group of seniors!
Congrats to that group and what they accomplished the last 4 years!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 05, 2011, 08:59:06 PM
sorry for the repeat post, must of did something wrong, obviously
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 05, 2011, 09:13:43 PM
Tough loss, especially with such a substantial lead late in the first.

I really thought of Robinson was going to get a national title, it would have been this year. After two years ago, making the final four with mostly freshmen and sophomores, I thought this would be the year. Now, it's tough to see if F&M will ever get one under Robinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Hey Dips75, i here what youre saying.  But honestly, did anything you see the last few months scream out title team?  Sweet 16 team? yes, even final four team under the right circumstances.  but the team spent a lot of the year trying to make up for the loss of Anthony.  And especially down the stretch, the team did well.  I gotta admit, i really like Brewer's defense and his ability to manage the offense at the point position. 

This was what it was, a tough loss in a tough spot against a team that was unbeaten at home.  The guys left everything out on the floor, and got victimitzed by the proverbial lid on the basket at the end. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 05, 2011, 09:35:00 PM
Sorry to see this class finish, even worse they were sent so far away I couldn't go. They were excellent to watch for 4 years. Their achilles issues of poor free throw shooting & lack of 3-point shooting killed them. The needed one more player in depth or a healthy McNally. Marlins would have lost if they didn't give up on the man-to-man defense that was torched in the 1st half & follow the way all other teams try to slow down the Dips.
There were certainly pods that this team could have won, against all immense odds they almost won this one.

It will be tough to duplicate this success next year, the league should be stronger generally. Returning players: Milligan, Beckford, Hayk, & maybe Salandra can play possibly Porter has promise, but they need a new big man or 2, plus 3-point shooters that most other teams are loaded with & then who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 05, 2011, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Hey Dips75, i here what youre saying.  But honestly, did anything you see the last few months scream out title team?  Sweet 16 team? yes, even final four team under the right circumstances.  but the team spent a lot of the year trying to make up for the loss of Anthony.  And especially down the stretch, the team did well.  I gotta admit, i really like Brewer's defense and his ability to manage the offense at the point position. 

This was what it was, a tough loss in a tough spot against a team that was unbeaten at home.  The guys left everything out on the floor, and got victimitzed by the proverbial lid on the basket at the end. 


No, it didn't. And that worried me. It seems they lost a ton of edge. Bad enough having the kind of stretches they had during the season. Losing back to back to McDaniel and Muhlenberg? The loss to Ithaca for the New Year's tourney?

This was definitely not the best F&M team to hit the tourney, but it seems like when they have had teams that could win it all, something happens. Teams that have made it to the final four as legitimate title hopefuls have had something or other happen. I was hoping that maybe they were sleepwalking a bit, and would be able to turn it on when it mattered. McNally's healthy certainly was a factor, but this team could have done more this year.

I don't see how they are a better team next year or the year after than they are now. I like the current juniors and sophomores, but nothing like the team they could have been this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 10:05:45 PM
i agree dips75, the good part about college bball is we get to grow with a new set of players, and the player of the year returns as well.  As fans, you cant be anything but proud of the effort tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 05, 2011, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 10:05:45 PM
i agree dips75, the good part about college bball is we get to grow with a new set of players, and the player of the year returns as well.  As fans, you cant be anything but proud of the effort tonight


It was a very good effort, and for that, the team should be congratulated. It's a shame, though, that the game was winnable, and it just didn't happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 02:04:11 AM
Well as I am driving back from Va wesleyan I must simply write that this loss will take a few days to get over.  The refs in this game are ten times worse than those in the centennial conference.  The one guy looked almost 90.  Anyway more later.  Rough night indeed.  Congrats to f and m and the seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
Worse than Centennial refs?  Wow!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 06, 2011, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 02:04:11 AM
Well as I am driving back from Va wesleyan I must simply write that this loss will take a few days to get over.  The refs in this game are ten times worse than those in the centennial conference.  The one guy looked almost 90.  Anyway more later.  Rough night indeed.  Congrats to f and m and the seniors.

Goodjob making the trip Doc. thats the other hard part of the trip, the drive home after a loss (its the main reason i didnt attend the jets/pats playoff game this year).  From what i gathered on tv, the refs were equally egregious with the fouls. But my biggest issue was with multiple uncalled travellings in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 06, 2011, 09:01:43 AM
congrats on a nice season for f & m. it was an up and down year and i didn't have a great feeling about them in the tournament so i am not surprised about the results. don't think they could have played with top D3 teams if they got in deeper in tourney.regardless, congrats to all seniors for terrific careers. good luck with life after college.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 10:15:54 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 06, 2011, 09:01:43 AM
congrats on a nice season for f & m. it was an up and down year and i didn't have a great feeling about them in the tournament so i am not surprised about the results. don't think they could have played with top D3 teams if they got in deeper in tourney.regardless, congrats to all seniors for terrific careers. good luck with life after college.

This is a topic that we have been discussing with Pat Coleman all week.  F&M has proven they can play with the top D3 teams- they beat St. Mary's at their spot last year, they beat MMA at their spot last year, and they almost beat a very physical team last night.  F&M is a quick and physical team that can play killer defense.  Tough loss!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 05, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Hey Dips75, i here what youre saying.  But honestly, did anything you see the last few months scream out title team?  Sweet 16 team? yes, even final four team under the right circumstances.  but the team spent a lot of the year trying to make up for the loss of Anthony.  And especially down the stretch, the team did well.  I gotta admit, i really like Brewer's defense and his ability to manage the offense at the point position. 

This was what it was, a tough loss in a tough spot against a team that was unbeaten at home.  The guys left everything out on the floor, and got victimitzed by the proverbial lid on the basket at the end. 

Actually, I think this team is better than that of last year or even the year before that made the final four.  Milligan and Hayk have been awesome.  The defense has been killer.  And moving forward, with Matt Porter replacing Tolliver and hopefully the deveopment of some recruits that this great staff is bringing in I am optimistic.  F&M is still the class of the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 06, 2011, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 02:04:11 AM
Well as I am driving back from Va wesleyan I must simply write that this loss will take a few days to get over.  The refs in this game are ten times worse than those in the centennial conference.  The one guy looked almost 90.  Anyway more later.  Rough night indeed.  Congrats to f and m and the seniors.

Goodjob making the trip Doc. thats the other hard part of the trip, the drive home after a loss (its the main reason i didnt attend the jets/pats playoff game this year).  From what i gathered on tv, the refs were equally egregious with the fouls. But my biggest issue was with multiple uncalled travellings in the first half.

At least on the way back I did not get a ticket through slower lower Delaware.  What an awful state!  Anyway, the best was after the game when Coach came int our reception and said that he was running late because he had to fill out a comment card on the refs.  It is not fair when refs are too involved in the outcome of games- in Division 3 it is bad!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Dips75 on March 05, 2011, 09:13:43 PM
Tough loss, especially with such a substantial lead late in the first.

I really thought of Robinson was going to get a national title, it would have been this year. After two years ago, making the final four with mostly freshmen and sophomores, I thought this would be the year. Now, it's tough to see if F&M will ever get one under Robinson.

This was not the year.  F&M was given a terrible draw in the NCAA tourney.  And winning a tourney is all about who you play, when it is and where it is.  Look at 2009, an unbelievable draw for F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 10:25:56 AM
Anyway, enjoy the offseason folks.  Bball2020 and Coco- see you next season at your respective sites.  Hopefully, you will have more class next year! 

Final comment- I have to admit that the Ursinus student section which I have to admit can be routy was better than that crappy VA Wesleyan student section.  We fans know how to get it done in the Centennial.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 06, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
Sorry to see your team lose. I will ignore your "class" comment and be the bigger person.
You certainly won't hear me say anything about them losing as you donwith other teams. Have a good offseason too. Until next October, have a safe spring and summer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 06, 2011, 02:38:02 PM
Was that towards me? Not sure what u are talking about???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on March 06, 2011, 02:42:45 PM
  It sure was 2020. But it is my bad I put someone else's post to your name. It was directed towards you by mistake. SORRY!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 06, 2011, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: donho on March 06, 2011, 02:21:52 PM
2020 touchy are we? If you look at all my posts on this board I was refering to a post that said last night would be tougher for F+M than last year at St.Mary's. I took that post as refering to the site of St. Mary's Not the St. Mary's game itself.

oh, i gotta admit, from what i saw online VaW had nothing as a site compare to SMC.  No empty seats in SMC and more of a confined space
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 06, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
Quote from: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Dips75 on March 05, 2011, 09:13:43 PM
Tough loss, especially with such a substantial lead late in the first.

I really thought of Robinson was going to get a national title, it would have been this year. After two years ago, making the final four with mostly freshmen and sophomores, I thought this would be the year. Now, it's tough to see if F&M will ever get one under Robinson.

This was not the year.  F&M was given a terrible draw in the NCAA tourney.  And winning a tourney is all about who you play, when it is and where it is.  Look at 2009, an unbelievable draw for F&M.

to be fair, they did not receive an unbelievable a draw in 09.  they got a good draw in the first round, but the second weekend was due to huge upsets in the rest of their bracket. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 06, 2011, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 06, 2011, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: docmarc on March 06, 2011, 02:04:11 AM
Well as I am driving back from Va wesleyan I must simply write that this loss will take a few days to get over.  The refs in this game are ten times worse than those in the centennial conference.  The one guy looked almost 90.  Anyway more later.  Rough night indeed.  Congrats to f and m and the seniors.

Goodjob making the trip Doc. thats the other hard part of the trip, the drive home after a loss (its the main reason i didnt attend the jets/pats playoff game this year).  From what i gathered on tv, the refs were equally egregious with the fouls. But my biggest issue was with multiple uncalled travellings in the first half.

At least on the way back I did not get a ticket through slower lower Delaware.  What an awful state!  Anyway, the best was after the game when Coach came int our reception and said that he was running late because he had to fill out a comment card on the refs.  It is not fair when refs are too involved in the outcome of games- in Division 3 it is bad!

THE SIMPSONS ARE GOING TO DELAWARE!  I want to visit wilmington!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 07, 2011, 09:35:50 AM
Once again, Congratulations to F&M on a great season and to Tolliver, James and Mike on a great career.

the Lusty one is signing off for the season.  best wishes to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2011, 11:13:12 AM
A frustrating loss for F&M but an excellent effort on the road against one of the top teams in the tourney. A few things seemed similar to last year's loss to Randolph-Macon in the Elite Eight, so I checked the box scores. Free throws and 3-point shooting (both including the perimeter game of the opponent) doomed the Dips both years:

2010, Elite Eight vs. Randolph-Macon (at St. Mary's)
12-20 FT shooting
1-for-9 beyond the arc
RMC goes 11-for-20 beyond the arc

2011, Second Round at Virginia Wesleyan
12-24 FT shooting
1-for-7 beyond the arc
VWC goes 8-for-18 beyond the arc

Despite this, F&M had a chance to win on VWC's home floor. You could feel the tide changing when the Marlins hit back-to-back 3-pointers late in the game. VWC should have a decent chance at beating Williams if they get hot from the perimeter, and if they play better defense in the post than they did against F&M.

A tremendous effort by Milligan, who I think belongs on one of the All-America teams. It was good to see McNally play like he did before the injuries, scoring on several nice moves.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 07, 2011, 11:19:06 AM
i agree rw.  F&M left a lot of points on the floor, from the FTs to a few twos where the shooter's foot was on the line. 

good analysis, when i get karma back you are getting a point!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2011, 11:19:31 AM
Best of luck to Mike Baker, James McNally and Steve Tolliver. They helped the F&M program rise from the ashes four years ago, ending up with 8 NCAA wins and 2 CC titles after many people thought the program was heading south for good. But aside from their many individual honors, I will remember most the way they played the game—with class. Well done guys, and good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 07, 2011, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2011, 11:19:31 AM
Best of luck to Mike Baker, James McNally and Steve Tolliver. They helped the F&M program rise from the ashes four years ago, ending up with 8 NCAA wins and 2 CC titles after many people thought the program was heading south for good. But aside from their many individual honors, I will remember most the way they played the game—with class. Well done guys, and good luck.

r.w.,

Agree with all the accolades.  Great kids who will do well in whatever they choose to do.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 08, 2011, 05:41:15 PM
Swat Dad,

A few days ago you started to talk about next year.  I guess now we can after a very mediocre year for the Centennial Conference.  You think Swat will be good next year and they definitely will be better.  How Swat  measures up with the other teams is yet to be seen.  Based on returning players, I think Muhlenberg, Dickinson, F&M and Ursinus will be the top tier followed by Swarthmore and McDaniel.  F&M may be the favorite but not the overwhelming favorite they were this year.  Gettysburg loses a lot and JHU has a long way to go.

Much depends on recruiting and one thing about not being in the playoffs----coaches can focus on wrapping up next year's recruiting.  That's what it's all about and that's what is happening.

Ursinus always tries to schedule New England----in particular NESCAC schools. The last three years we have been to tip off tournaments at Williams, Hamilton and Wesleyan.  Hope we do it again next year. They are fun and in my neighborhood.  I am a believer in tough schedules with a good mix of road games.

How about some thoughts from you and others.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 08, 2011, 06:50:56 PM
Gabriel -

I think you are spot on with all except Haverford who I also see being good.

My prediction:
FM
Dickinson
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
Haverford

I am hoping Swarthmore finishes out of last place. Is that realistic - yes. The upper half next year - no.  I wish Swarthmore would head north as I am over four hours away and it is tough to get to games. Thanks for the reply!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on March 08, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
I think your top 5 teams in no particular order are:

F & M (Won't be as tough next year w/o McNally, Baker, and Tolliver- it depends on who steps up to help Milligan)

McDaniel-  Only lost 1 senior and return all their starters and top players.  Senior laden team next year and will finally have a healthy Sarris-Grau

Dickinson- Losing Dolan will really hurt them offensively and on the boards.  Although they have nice guard play, they lack an inside presence.

Ursinus-  Replacing Hilton's points will be the key and have someone step up to help Ward.  Krasna should have a bigger year next season as a Soph.

Muhlenberg-  Liddic.  They also will get nice contributions from the big kid and Curry. 

with Haverford a close 6 (losing Permutt is going to really hurt their inside game)

Swat will get out of the basement next year, but I think are two years away from potential playoff run

Wash and Gettysburg won't be easy wins for anybody, but just seem to be missing pieces next year

JHU will struggle in a very competitive Centennial next season...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 09, 2011, 08:37:18 AM
top four teams are
f&m,muhlenberg,haverford,mcdaniel
dickinson and ursinus fight for 5th
swat and hopkins battle again for last
that is based on no info on recruits...as we know, a good freshman tilts the scales
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 09, 2011, 08:52:09 AM
Swat Dad & d3hoopsfan,

Both of you, your comments are right on.  I forgot about Haverford although they will miss Permutt.  He was very good this year.

Regarding Ursinus, Janowski is capable of helping Ward and in some aspects is a better player.  He is 6'8" and needs to start playing like it.   He is a better defender than Ward and should be more productive offensively than he has been.  Seems to lack confidence.

Ursinus needs a longer wing who can slash to the basket and score.  Starting 3 guards in the 5"11" range hurt them at times this year.  Perhaps rising sophomore Ryan Adams (6'6") is the real deal.  He has shown flashes and is very athletic.  Also, Mike Walther, a 6'7" rising senior who sat out the season might return.  He would likely have been a starter this year had he been able to play.

Jesse Krasna will be a real force next year after a very nice freshman year.  He is a pass first point guard who should average 10-12 points a game.  Needs to improve his shooting accuracy.  Pat Vasturia is a pure shooter in the mold of Matt Hilton and will keep defenses honest.  Matt Donahue is a very good three point shooter too.

As I said before, recruiting is everything and we will see what Kevin Small comes up with this year.  Kevin Small, Mike McGarvey and Will Furey are tireless recruiters, however,  a losing year makes it more difficult.  I hope he is looking for someone who will give them more toughness--on the boards and defensively.  All coaches like to have a real good bench to
make  practices more competitive----and, the team better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 09, 2011, 06:04:46 PM
good luck next year swat dad...sorry all those boys had such a rough season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 10, 2011, 06:57:15 AM
Hey thanks! After two years following the Centennial Conference I have learned two things: One - the level of play is really good and two - Every win Swarthmore gets is an upset.  They are well coached, play hard, and give good games to almost everyone. The simple fact is they just don't have the horses. I think the average weight of the front line is about 190lbs! =)

On another note, I had a great discussion last night about all the players in the league. Without fail, they are all great kids, very respectful and friendly after the game, and when a hard foul occurs, there is always an apology. It was fun listening about all the great players in the league and what an opponent thinks of them. "Liddick - really smart, nice kid, Permutt, really good, very under-rated, ect." "The league plays very hard nose defense, but never any cheap shots like high school. Guy who is playing me talks the whole game. They are always great kids."

I just thought it was great to hear all this over dinner. Not a negative things to be said about any team or player. Well done Centennial!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 10, 2011, 10:28:11 AM
nice post swat dad.
it is a nice conference, competitive with very little "junk" going on, although i have heard of some comments on the court that would surprise you... not necessary or productive to repeat.  they are a great group of schools with terrific student athlete ethics. nescac is great but only play each other once a year, uaa great but lots of travel. i love centennial. take care.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 14, 2011, 09:21:54 AM
Good stuff Swat Dad, I was thinking along the same lines as you the other day. I was passing through some Men BB websites of CC teams and saw Dickinson won a sportsmanship award from the officials (not sure it is a C.C award or just capital area officials) and I thought to myself heck, I think any team in this league could have won it. It made me wonder if a coaches personality had anything to do with that award? As an example, Seretti from Dickinson from what I saw on their website had not T's, nor did the team, this year or last year..... Just one example why the C.C is one of the classy D3 hoops conferences.

Here are my top 5 for next year, Player and Coach of the year...... I have no "bias or favorite" C.C team, just big supporter of C.C hoops since the MAC had a makeover.....   ::)

1- Dickinson (Freshman played huge minutes this year and last, what kind of recruiting class can he pull off this year and can they have another frosh impact group? Their best guard Gerney (frosh) missed the two or three last reg season games and C.C tourney)

2- Tie for second- Tie Breaker Dips
     2a) F&M (Dips are always there and aren't going anywhere)
3   2b) Mules (Liddick, Curry, quality coaching will help)

4-  Ursinus (Hunch, Krasna, Donahue and the bigs will be better)

5-  McDaniel- Tough, can defend, athletic and quality coaching.

Player of the Year- Liddick or Milligan
Coach of the Year- Seretti- Especially if he can replace a team asset value like Dolan.
Dickinson to Host

Quality coaches, great student athletes, High IQ fans... C.C hoops are great!






















Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: docmarc on March 14, 2011, 12:42:01 PM
F&M will be back next year.  The key for next year may be the emergence of 2nd semester walk on Matt Porter.  Let's not forget him!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 14, 2011, 01:17:33 PM
cc hoopster...
i wouldn't sleep on haverford...
and yes, f&m will be back, but not dominant unless they have some special freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 14, 2011, 01:24:40 PM
Good stuff in all the recent posts.  I have been following the CC closely for the past 11 years and am always impressed by the sportsmanship and quality of play.  The quality of play (top to bottom) keeps improving and the league is more and more competitive.  Next year should be no exception.  Let's hope that next year we can get two or more teams into the NCAA tourney and yes, Swat Dad, I even root for Swat when they are not playing Ursinus.  Lee Wimberly is a favorite of mine.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 14, 2011, 02:02:48 PM
I could see Haverford in the mix and replacing 4 or 5 on my list... Gonna stick with Dickinson as 1 and Dips and Mules to be a coin flip for 2 and 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2011, 10:00:13 PM
Too early to predict.
I was impressed with the quality of freshmen who played this year.  Especially, Muhlenberg and Dickinson who had excellent performances from their freshmen when they played F&M.  F&M will have a good core of players for next year, but will need to have 1 or 2 good freshmen coming in next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 15, 2011, 12:40:25 AM
i definitely do not see dickinson towards the top. they  play good basketball but i do think they overachieved this year. dolan is a big, big loss for them. i see them 4-6 place.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2011, 08:24:18 AM
Congrats to Georgio Milligan on his Mid-Atlantic Region Player of the Year honor from the NABC:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nabc/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/D3All-District2011.pdf

In the D3hoops all-region voting (which I believe is done exclusively by SIDs, not coaches), Milligan was named to the Mid-Atlantic second team. I wonder if he is the first regional POY on one team to not even make the first team on the other.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2011, 09:45:13 AM
This year it looks like he is, but I don't think it's unprecedented. There were a lot of good guards in the region this year and I just couldn't put four on the first team.

The NABC put six guards on its first team. Our goal since day one in 1997 is to always put out a team that you could put on the floor in a game, so that means five and at least one big man.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2011, 10:11:30 AM
Yes, I know the positions don't matter to the NABC team, which I think makes no sense. I also thought Franz should be the NABC's regional POY (an honor D3hoops awarded him). I'm just shocked that one group (the coaches) thought Milligan was the best guard in the region, but another thought he was the fourth-best guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 16, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 09:58:11 PM
That's right. This vote is restricted to seniors who are not in the tournament, one from each region, so that's why some of the guys you mention are left off.

There will indeed be two other Mid-Atlantic seniors who get on the roster. But this vote is two guaranteed spots selected by fans. It's akin to the final vote for the MLB All-Star Game, except that because of the tournament, this vote happens first.

  Who is the 2nd besides Alex Franz?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2011, 01:55:51 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/03/nabc-all-star-rosters has the full rosters.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 16, 2011, 02:11:48 PM
  I had looked at them and with Andrew Powers as the at-large voting candidate, couldn't identify 2 other Mid-Atlantic reps(1-Franz, 2-?).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2011, 07:36:42 PM
I don't know if someone turned it down or was injured or what, or if Powers ended up being the No. 2 candidate after all. Since the Mid-Atlantic doesn't have any teams still alive it can't be that. Perhaps the way things ended up they needed a big man to round out the roster rather than taking James Jones from Delaware Valley or something along those lines.

I am not at all privy to the decision-making process. I'm just stuck here holding the bag fielding questions, apparently.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bball2020 on March 16, 2011, 10:25:57 PM
Congrats to Powers for being selected to play in the All-Star game.  I don't think he was the vote in candidate, only because he was behind by quite a bit.  Rumor I heard was he was just chosen as one of the players, I suppose at large? I think he was on a number of the NABC teams throughout his career, so I am sure that helped. 
Anyways, congrats to all who made the 1st and 2nd teams, Milligan for POY, and to all those who made the all star game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 20, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
Congrats on Georgio Milligan being named to the NABC's 1st team All-American squad. In a bit of an incongruity he was overlooked on all 5 D3 Hoops AA teams. Based on what I saw of his performance after the unfortunate McNally injury, he showed me how he raised his game when needed & perhaps he deseved some type of recognition. I hope the Dips get him some help next year.

Here is the link. http://www.nabc.org/genrel/031811aad.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2011, 12:16:36 AM
The NABC Mid-Atlantic Regional Player of the Year is an automatic first-team all-american, the way the NABC does it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 21, 2011, 06:53:03 PM
Any word on Powers' performance in the Seniors' Game?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 21, 2011, 11:07:26 PM
He went 1 for 4 with 2 points. Here's the box score.

http://www.nabc.org/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/nabc/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/D3ASGwrap
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2011, 06:07:47 AM
Powers was okay... tough to shine in a game with tons of talent around him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on March 22, 2011, 09:00:52 AM
Congratulations to all the players who are on the winter academic honor roll. All of the schools in our conference have very rigorous academics so playing ball and excelling in class is a big accomplishment. As an academic myself, I am particularly proud to note that Haverford  had 4 (as did Swat). One on my very favorite rival players Jon Ward is a physics major-very impressive!! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 24, 2011, 09:15:40 AM
The senior game was fun to watch and I'm glad I took the drive down.. The one thing about the Centennial I always noticed was that there is a lack of athleticism at the 3,4 and 5 spots. NOT AT ALL TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM POWERS, HE IS VERY VERY GOOD  but the majority of 3,4 and 5's are not very athletic in the CC where he is and that has helped him over the years. Powers struggled against more athletic guys that can run with him (runs like a gazzele) because he has done such a great job in the past beating bigs down the floor, getting position and scoring at will in the CC. Thought that was clear in the game watching him compete with like speed and versus like athletes. Best player in the game I thought was the big from Suny IT, Golembioski. 6-8 guy who can play the 3,4 or 5 and can flat out shoot the lights out, range to 25ft with defender on him. Think Dirk Nowitzski body, release and shot selection. No doubt he will play over seas if that is in his plans. Could be wrong but I think he took SUNY IT to the D3 Sweet 16 last year?

Is it October yet? hope all are well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 24, 2011, 10:52:53 PM
hmmmm, so Milligan was a first team all american as voted on by the NABC, but only a 2nd team all region player as voted on by d3hoops.com?  nope no F&M bias at all by the buffoons that run this site! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2011, 09:39:53 AM
Even one of your fellow F&M fans admitted Alex Franz was the best player in the region. Don't know why the NABC voters felt otherwise.

Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2011, 10:11:30 AM
I also thought Franz should be the NABC's regional POY (an honor D3hoops awarded him). ...

If they had chosen Franz as their regional player of the year then he would have been their first-team All-American. They have one All-American from each of the eight regions on each of their three teams, meaning they have an eight-man basketball team.

Between the stats and the scouting report from the head-to-head matchup, I am very confident in having selected Franz over Milligan as regional player of the year. Could Milligan have been higher? Definitely, but there were a lot of good guards in this region this season. Ask Anthony Trautman -- second-team All-American by NABC but second-team All-Region by us. That's because we won't put five guards on a six-man first team the way the NABC does. I'm pretty sure most coaches would put a five-man lineup on the floor with at least one big man, usually two.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 25, 2011, 11:02:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2011, 09:39:53 AM
Even one of your fellow F&M fans admitted Alex Franz was the best player in the region. Don't know why the NABC voters felt otherwise.

Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2011, 10:11:30 AM
I also thought Franz should be the NABC's regional POY (an honor D3hoops awarded him). ...

But it was close, for me—I think Franz and Milligan were the best players in the region this year. Franz is more of a deep threat, Milligan is a better defender. Since I think Franz made St. Mary's the best team in the region, I gave him the nod. But they're both super players who change the game when they're on the floor, and I think Milligan should clearly have been on the first team.

Quote from: LustyLarryintheToilet on March 25, 2011, 10:01:31 AM
I just find it amusing that the NABC, which looks at nationwide players, thought Georgio was a top 8 player in the nation, yet he couldnt crack your top 3 guards in one region!  And mind you Franz and Jones werent even on any of the All American teams.

Lusty, if I understand correctly, the D3hoops voting for All-Region teams is done by SIDs, and those regional teams then form the basis for the All-American teams. So, I don't think Milligan ever really had a shot at the D3hoops.com All-American team after being named to the second team in regional voting. But hey, he got POY honors from the NABC, ECAC and CC—quite an end to an impressive season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 25, 2011, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2011, 09:39:53 AM
Even one of your fellow F&M fans admitted Alex Franz was the best player in the region. Don't know why the NABC voters felt otherwise.

Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 16, 2011, 10:11:30 AM
I also thought Franz should be the NABC's regional POY (an honor D3hoops awarded him). ...

If they had chosen Franz as their regional player of the year then he would have been their first-team All-American. They have one All-American from each of the eight regions on each of their three teams, meaning they have an eight-man basketball team.

Between the stats and the scouting report from the head-to-head matchup, I am very confident in having selected Franz over Milligan as regional player of the year. Could Milligan have been higher? Definitely, but there were a lot of good guards in this region this season. Ask Anthony Trautman -- second-team All-American by NABC but second-team All-Region by us. That's because we won't put five guards on a six-man first team the way the NABC does. I'm pretty sure most coaches would put a five-man lineup on the floor with at least one big man, usually two.
The stats would indicate that Zach Ashworth of Scranton should have been chosen over Franz as regional POY- 5 more ppg, better 3-pt and FT shooting %, more rebounds; only in steals and assist/TO ratio was Franz better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2011, 12:58:27 AM
Kind of apples and oranges at different positions, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 27, 2011, 12:32:38 PM
  Ashworth and Milligan play the same position; so, a choice of Franz over Milligan on the basis of stats is equally appropriate/inappropriate when comparing Franz and Ashworth. Any apples/oranges was your choice, not mine. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 27, 2011, 02:18:14 PM
My understanding is that Franz and Milligan are both point guards and Ashworth is a shooting guard. Is my understanding (and the nominations provided) mistaken?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 27, 2011, 10:11:25 PM
  Upon further review, Milligan's position presents a problem from the standpoint of our discussion. When Max Brewer was in the game(26-29 minutes/game for the Centennial and NCAA tournament games, e.g.), he was definitely the point guard and Milligan the shooting guard. The issue is clouded because Brewer never started a game, even though he played a majority of the game; it's arguable whether Milligan did point guard functions when Brewer wasn't in there or if the offense just operated without a point guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 28, 2011, 04:29:11 PM
Having seen all three players quite a bit this season... Franz, Milligan, Ashworth.

Stats say one thing, but Franz and Milligan were better defenders then Ashworth... Franz did more on offense both distributing and scoring then the other two... and if you look at team's success, Franz helped his team succeed this season more then what Milligan and Ashworth were able to do.

Also, side note, Franz's defense is underrated. There is a reason his steals/game is so high. Milligan is a solid defender, but I expected him to do more on offense. Ashworth scored a lot of points, but it wasn't like there were a ton of other options on that Scranton team... so he tended to take it upon himself to just score.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 26, 2011, 04:57:47 PM
http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110524f047u1

Congratulations to Mike McGarvey recently hired as an assistant coach to Colgate.  A great hire for Colgate and a major loss for Ursinus.

Mike has found his calling and will do an excellent job at Colgate as he has for the past nine years at Ursinus.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on June 05, 2011, 08:03:46 AM
That is tremendous as Colgate is an incredible college as well as a beautiful campus!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on June 12, 2011, 09:38:00 AM
Can I ask a question? What is Karma and why do I have negative? My posts are positive, someone please explain. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: etbu27 on June 12, 2011, 01:03:41 PM
Its a rating of your posts some of the older members can take advantage of. I think its after 100 posts (but im very forgetful) you are able to give people +1or -1 karma. I wouldnt take it to heart, its possible that a conference rival is giving you negative karma. Keep up the positivity though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 12, 2011, 07:46:05 PM
Its 200 posts, by the way.  Then you can agree or disagree with a post with karma points.  I have also read in the past that asking is tantamount to getting some negative karma as well.  So just be warned.  (No you didn't get any from me).  But I read your posts Swat Dad as I do others and sometimes people will disagree by giving you negatives even when you're trying to be positive, because they just don't like what you said.  Keep staying positive and your karma will grow. Oh and Happy Father's day a week early!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on June 16, 2011, 10:21:21 PM
Happy Fathers day to all, from an old father.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on June 17, 2011, 12:05:51 AM
happy fathers day everyone....the season is almost here!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on June 17, 2011, 07:23:01 AM
Some may call last year in the C.C a down year.... Whether it was or was not, this year should be a good one! Anyone know about any recruiting classes for the C.C? Happy Fathers day to all you dads.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on June 19, 2011, 08:01:13 AM
Happy Father's Day every dad out there. I haven't heard much about recruiting this year. After two good years of Freshmen at Swarthmore, I am not sure what they are bringing in this year. One recruit's last name is Barkley, but Chuck isn't his dad (unfortunately)!  =)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 04, 2011, 11:07:23 AM
Happy 4th everyone!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 01, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
The basketball juices are starting to flow again.  Ursinus is gearing up for their trip to Italy.  I believe they leave on August 17 for about 9 or 10 days.  These trips are great for team bonding----and for parents and grandparents who tag along.  You can never go wrong with Italy. 

The Ursinus schedule is out and guess what---they play 25 games----but----only 9 games at home and 16 on the road.  I wonder how this compares with F&M's schedule. Ursinus'  non league games include at Marymount, Keystone (Rochester tourney), TBD (Rochester tourney), at Eastern, at Moravian, Ramapo (at D3 Hoops Classic in Las Vegas) and Skidmore (at Las Vegas).


Any word on recruits for next year.  I heard that Dickinson is adding at least two big men.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 01, 2011, 10:53:01 PM
Another way to look at Ursinus' schedule is to say they play 9 games at home, three on a neutral court and three on the road with the second UR tournament game unknown.  That's a very manageable non-conference schedule given that Eastern, Moravian and Marymount went a combined 27-47 last year. 

Remember that the Centennial Conference's weak non-conference record last year really hurt the conference's at-large tournament hopes.  Here's how the Mid Atlantic conferences fared in terms of non-conference records against Division III opponents.

5th (of 43): MACC 52-26 (0.667)
15th: MACF 44-35 (0.557)
20th: Landmark 41-36 (0.532)
22nd: CAC 36-34 (0.514)
25th: CSAC 29-33 (0.468)
30th: Centennial 27-37 (0.422)
38th: AMCC 23-43 (.348)
43rd: NEAC 6-45 (0.118)

The NEAC's record is so bad I had to double check it.  The non-conference teams that are members of Division III and lost to the NEAC were Alfred (8-17), Cortland State (10-16), Wilkes (15-10), Medgar Evers (17-12), St. Lawrence (11-13) and Hilbert (12-15).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 02, 2011, 01:18:03 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 01, 2011, 10:53:01 PM
Another way to look at Ursinus' schedule is to say they play 9 games at home, three on a neutral court and three on the road with the second UR tournament game unknown.  That's a very manageable non-conference schedule given that Eastern, Moravian and Marymount went a combined 27-47 last year. 

Remember that the Centennial Conference's weak non-conference record last year really hurt the conference's at-large tournament hopes.  Here's how the Mid Atlantic conferences fared in terms of non-conference records against Division III opponents.

5th (of 43): MACC 52-26 (0.667)
15th: MACF 44-35 (0.557)
20th: Landmark 41-36 (0.532)
22nd: CAC 36-34 (0.514)
25th: CSAC 29-33 (0.468)
30th: Centennial 27-37 (0.422)
38th: AMCC 23-43 (.348)
43rd: NEAC 6-45 (0.118)

The NEAC's record is so bad I had to double check it.  The non-conference teams that are members of Division III and lost to the NEAC were Alfred (8-17), Cortland State (10-16), Wilkes (15-10), Medgar Evers (17-12), St. Lawrence (11-13) and Hilbert (12-15).

Gordon,

Nice analysis but think the summary should be 3 on a neutral court, 12 on the road and one unknown.  Don't forget the 9 conference games on the road.

Hopefully, the CC will fare better this year as I think the conference will be stronger top to bottom.  Time will tell
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 02, 2011, 04:19:45 PM
Right, sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 03, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110711f0jycjhttp://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110524f047u1

Interesting changes in the Ursinus coaching staff for this year.  Mike McGarvey moved on to become an assistant at Colgate.  Colgate's head coach, Matt Langel,  was a Fran Dunphy assistant--hence the connection.

Pat Price comes to Ursinus from years of experience coaching in Ireland.  I met him in Ireland and he will be a terrific addition to the Ursinus staff as an experienced coach with great intangibles.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 19, 2011, 05:44:26 PM

Now that the students are returning to capmus for fall classes, that can only mean one thing. Basketball season can't be too far behind. Now that my juices are flowing again, lets get some chat going in here! Look forward to hearing from all you Centennial fans! Regards to all,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 28, 2011, 09:42:41 AM
Meet two potential freshmen players-both 6'5".   Unfortunately, I haven't seen any other height wandering around the campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on August 29, 2011, 05:36:47 PM
While I usually feel that if Swat finishes anything other than last it is a good season, I think this season will be tremendously different. I think this year should be interesting and that other than F&M, there will be a ton of upsets. I feel Swat will be much more competitive this year if everyone stays healthy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on August 29, 2011, 09:52:30 PM
it is difficult to count swat out despite their history. they always play hard. good luck swat dad...the season will be here before we know it. i think the league will be up for grabs this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on September 03, 2011, 09:42:58 AM
Thanks! The best part of a new season is the optimism it brings!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 04, 2011, 04:28:27 PM

Folks -

F&M's Athletic Department has finally posted the Men's Basketball schedule on the team's webpage. There are still a few dates to fill with confirmed teams. See link below:

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/roster (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/roster)

Enjoy the long holiday weekend! Bring on the season! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 05, 2011, 08:09:13 AM
diplomaniac1 you beat me to the post.  I'll check into the other tourney opponents to see if they're known or still waiting for confirmations.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on September 05, 2011, 08:52:05 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on September 04, 2011, 04:28:27 PM

Folks -

F&M's Athletic Department has finally posted the Men's Basketball schedule on the team's webpage. There are still a few dates to fill with confirmed teams. See link below:

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/roster (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/roster)

Enjoy the long holiday weekend! Bring on the season! Regards to all.

Eric

Eric,

Gee, instead of just the usual obligatory 9 conference road games, Dips are actually playing 10 road games---traveling all the way to Lancaster Bible. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 06, 2011, 03:38:53 PM


Reserved Seat -

Nice to hear from you again and know that at least one other Diplomat fan is stirring! Any other new info will be greatly appreciated. What do you know about the recruits? Hope all is well.

Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 06, 2011, 03:47:18 PM


Gabriel -

I know that my response will probably stir up all of the "GRob-haters" and the whole strength of scehdule agrument again. But, this Dips went to St. Mary's early in the season last year. This year, the Seahawks are visiting Mayser Center early in the season. I think this home and home non-conference series has been going on for about four years. Hopefully, the non-confirmed tournament games will add several more difficult oppenents than Lancaster Bible to the schedule. When a team is committed to 18 conference games and two long-established and well-attended tournaments at home, there are not alot of other opportunities to travel. Quite frankly, I preferred the old division structure that opened up a few more dates for out of conference play. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on September 06, 2011, 06:11:59 PM
Eric,

I understand where you're coming from, it would be interesting to play more non conference games.  I know Kevin Small tries to schedule NESCAC schools every year but they do not want to do home and homes---traveling all the way to Pennsylvania from New England.  That is why he plays the tournaments away from Collegeville---- such as Williams, Hamilton and Wesleyan in recent years.  I think GRob has a hard time getting good teams to come to his tournaments.

Looking forward to the season.  As a die hard Ursinus fan, I believe we will be back in the thick of things this year led by Ward and Krasna.  They have four recruits who look good on paper and who will definitely make them more athletic and improve their defense and rebounding----both soft spots the last two years.
I think this year will be very competitive in the CC.  Hopefully more than one CC team will qualify for the post season.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 06, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
Eric's point of F&M having two long-established and well-attended tournaments at home definitely hinders F&M's ability to schedule more away games.  Tradition plays a key part in college athletics, and these 2 tournaments are probably 2 of the oldest tournaments in D3.  As a follower of F&M basketball since 1966, I would hate to see them go.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 08, 2011, 02:52:17 PM


Folks -

F&M's Athletic Department has updated the Men's Basketball Team Schedule posted on its website. The following is the link to the revised schedule. Enjoy!

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/schedule (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/schedule)

Let the season begin! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on September 15, 2011, 06:43:24 PM
Looking at F & M schedule the only thing I see is February. Traveling to 2/3 of the games. Bodies are tired, at least this old man would be.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 16, 2011, 04:39:55 PM

Folks -

F&M's Athletic Department has posted some biographical summary information on its webpage regarding the freshmen basketball recruits. The following is the link to this infromation. Enjoy

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/20110913fe7mfp (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/20110913fe7mfp)

Let the season begin. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on September 17, 2011, 02:50:18 PM
Eric,

Looks like some height there.  Phelps must be some player.  On paper the Dips have 13 returnees, add to that 5 recruits and you have 18 players competing for playing time.  Tough to keep them all happy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on September 18, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Yeh - I noticed Phelps also. 35 points a game? Is that real? If it is, I can't believe that he wasn't DI material. Those are very impressive stats. Another four long years for anyone who has to play F&M! =)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on September 19, 2011, 09:51:08 AM
I thought the same things Swat Dad.  He must have played in a weak league to put up those type of numbers and not get any higher offers.  Either way, 35ppg is still pretty impressive...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 19, 2011, 11:16:12 AM
I believe Phelps played in a prep league, but he did hit threes.  One game he hit twelve of them.  The players look quite impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on September 20, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
Preseason picks by Sporting News for D3 mens' basketball:
1. Virginia Wesleyan
2. Marietta
3. Augustana (IL)
4. Williams
5. St Mary's (MD)
6. Rochester (NY)
7. Franklin & Marshall
8. Oswego State
9. Wisconsin Stevens Point
10. Cabrini

Good representation by the Mid Atlantic.  Now let's play the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 22, 2011, 06:27:44 PM
I hope F&M can live up to the expectations, considering they lost 3 starters.
The freshmen will have to work into the line-up quickly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 27, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on September 06, 2011, 03:47:18 PM
I know that my response will probably stir up all of the "GRob-haters" and the whole strength of scehdule agrument again. But, this Dips went to St. Mary's early in the season last year. This year, the Seahawks are visiting Mayser Center early in the season. I think this home and home non-conference series has been going on for about four years
Eric
This is actually the third year the two teams have met in the regular season (started following a NCAA appearence at SMC - thus maybe your thought of four years). I am actually surprised they are playing one another considering I was told F&M had initially told SMC they were not going to honor the second-half of the original home-and-home and would not travel to SMC early last season - this eventually changed late last summer or early fall. Per that, I figured this out-of-conference "rivalry" (based on the high-caliber of play between the two top teams in the region the last three or four years) was just a two-year experiment. I like that it is returning once again - though the scheduled day is killing me... I may be in Ashland, Virginia for another set of games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on September 28, 2011, 05:31:12 PM
http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110310do3ij2

The four Ursinus recruits have been announced.  The Bears have added some size and athleticism.  We'll have to wait and see how well they play.

I saw Mike Marciano and Phil Walker play a little bit this summer.  Mike is a project, albeit a big one at about 7 feet and 240 pounds.  Phil is 6'6" a superb athlete, excellent defender and rebounder. He is very comfortable playing above the rim.  He will need time to adjust to playing the perimeter as he was a post player at New Hope-Solebury.  Both are very smart kids who will learn fast.

The other two I have not seen as yet.  Trey Harry comes from a very good program at the Hill School.  He is 6'1", a combo card who defends, passes and rebounds very well.  Needs to improve his shooting but with his athletic ability this should come with practice.  Jermaine Kamara is a real unknown.  He comes from Ireland---very athletic at 6'7" and about 240.  Projected as a post player.  Another strong defender and shot blocker who needs to work on his offensive skills.

These four fine young men seem to be nice additions to the team.  As always, how much they play this year will depend on them.  Phil Walker will be exciting to watch as he is an excellent athlete, competitor and leader.

There is no doubt that the Bears will be led by Jon Ward and Jesse Krasna this season.  Jon is a junior and Kras was voted a co-captain as a sophomore----an indication of what his team mates think of him.  I look forward to seeing them in Rochester, NY in November.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 04, 2011, 02:03:20 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

Here is a link to an article recently posted on the Men's Basketball page of the F&M website.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/20110929nudpq7 (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/20110929nudpq7)

It offers some interesting reading and information. Enjoy. Just about six weeks to go - bring on the season now!

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 04, 2011, 05:17:35 PM
Eric,

I just saw the Sporting News article.  Spencer Liddic from Muhlenberg was also on the second team and Jon Ward from Ursinus was honorable mention.  Congratulations to all three young men.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 14, 2011, 04:14:03 PM
Basketball practice starts next week.  Preseason picks will be announced very soon.  I will give you all something to shoot at and get things started with my preseason picks in the following order:

1. F&M---the defending champs return some key players in Milligan, Gyokchyan and Beckford
2. Muhlenberg---finished strong last year and return Liddic, Hargrove, Curry and others
3. Dickinson---great year last year and return most key players except Dolan
4. Ursinus---primarily a sophomore and junior team led by Ward and Krasna.  Should be much improved
5. Haverford---always scrappy led by Baker and Goldberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on October 15, 2011, 11:16:20 AM
McDaniel is definitely in the top 5, returning everyone from last year and healthy...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 15, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: d3hoopsfan on October 15, 2011, 11:16:20 AM
McDaniel is definitely in the top 5, returning everyone from last year and healthy...

d3hoopsfan,

O.K., how would you rank them.  Understand that we do this not knowing much about the incoming freshmen etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 15, 2011, 07:53:57 PM
f&m and muhlenberg  in the top tier.
haverford,ursinus, mcdaniel in the second tier
dickinson,gettysburg,washington in the third tier
hopkins, and swat at the bottom
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on October 16, 2011, 10:34:48 AM
Well Gabriel,

I would first take a look at the playoff teams from last year:

1) F & M-  They were the top team last year and deserve to at least be the favorite again.  However, I do feel the loss of McNally & Baker will impact them more than some may think.  I wouldn't be surprised if F & M doesn't win the league this year.

2)  Dickinson- The loss of Dolan will again really hurt Dickinson w/ scoring and rebounding.  Still returning alot of quality players, but I see them taking a step back this year.  Battling for the 4 & 5 playoff spot.

3) Gettysburg- Powers and Kennedy gone, I see them falling out of the playoff race for this season.

4) McDaniel- Like I said before, an experienced senior led team that returns everybody.  I see them in the playoffs again.

5)  Haverford-  Permutt loss will hurt, but like you said always scrappy and well coached.  I see Haverford battling for that 5th playoff spot or on the outside looking in.

I find it difficult to rank teams now 1-5, but I see the following teams as the top 5 and being in the playoffs this season:

F&M, Dickinson, McDaniel, Ursinus, Muhlenberg

I wouldn't be surprised though if Haverford bumped one of those teams out of a spot.

Washington, Gettysburg is the next teir, followed by JHU and Swat

With that being said, I think this will be a very competitive season in the Centennial!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 16, 2011, 09:54:41 PM
Still too early to pick the top teams.  Too many freshmen to deal with.  F&M lost a lot of points, but still proved they could win without McNally at full strength after his injury at Dickinson.  F&M has a lot of impressive looking freshmen.  How soon they can learn the system will tell how far they can go.  I like how Muhlenberg and Dickinson played last year.
Will Gettysburg have any of the suspended players back?  Can Ursinus' 7-foot freshman develop into a player?  Didn't seem to dominate in high school, but he's still a 7-foot player.  Without knowing what freshmen will become key players, I see Muhlenberg giving F&M a challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 17, 2011, 12:49:36 PM
d3hoopsfan & Reserved Seat,

Thanks for the input.  I agree we know little about the impact of freshmen and/or transfers.  There seems to be a consensus that McDaniel will be in the playoffs and on second thought, I would agree with that. 

Ursinus will be much better this year.  Their 7 footer is a project.  His primary role this year will likely be to make Jon Ward and Kevin Janowski better by challenging them every day at practice.  Hopefully, he will be a starter as a junior and senior. The other three freshmen will likely get more court time and will make the Bears a much better rebounding and defensive team.  Last year they were way too soft.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 17, 2011, 04:44:53 PM


For any in-the-area Diplomat fans -

See the link below to the Men's Basketball page.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/201110117trkd7 (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/201110117trkd7)

See you there! Reagrds,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 19, 2011, 11:42:13 AM
My preseason picks for CC All Conference teams:

First Team
Georgio Milligan        F&M
Kevin Breslin            Washington
Spencer Liddic         Muhlenberg
Jon Ward                Ursinus
Cam Baker              Haverford

Second Team
Ian Goldberg           Haverford
Will Gates               Swarthmore
Jesse Krasna           Ursinus
Hayk Gyokchyan      F&M
Adam Honig            Dickinson

Honorable Mention
Devon Lesniak        McDaniel
Kevin Hargrove       Mushlenberg
Brandon Beckford    F&M
Brian Gerney          Dickinson
Phil Walker            Ursinus

POY--Milligan, Liddic or Ward---depending on who hosts the playoffs

ROY--Phil Walker

O.K. people, shoot at it!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 19, 2011, 01:06:27 PM
Gabriel,
Good start, but F&M could have as many as 3 freshmen starting or at least playing significant time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 19, 2011, 04:06:56 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on October 19, 2011, 01:06:27 PM
Gabriel,
Good start, but F&M could have as many as 3 freshmen starting or at least playing significant time.

Reserved Seat,

As will Ursinus in Walker, Harry, and Kamara.  Ursinus will be a sophomore/junior led team as Ursinus is recovering from two weak recruiting classes----losing their top recruit from this year's senior class two years ago and from last year's class three years ago.   

At this point I don't have a clue about the other teams and their recruits so none of us really know how good the frosh will be.  I have seen Phil Walker play and believe he will be a very special player during his four years at Ursinus.  I may be at the Mayser Center on November 30 so tell me where your "Reserved Seat" is so we can meet.  I hope it will be a competitive game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 19, 2011, 10:03:03 PM
Four rows above the scorers' table behind the home scorekeeper.  Bench seat 20
F&M's Midnight Madness is tomorrow night--the season has officially started.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 20, 2011, 09:14:29 AM
Reserved Seat,

Thanks, I will make it a point to look you up if I get there.  At my age, I must take it day to day.
Mayser is a great venue as I have seen many Ursinus/F&M games there.  They have been memorable.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 20, 2011, 03:50:24 PM

Milligan, Liddic, and Ward named to preseason All-American teams.  Hopefully all 3 can live up to their billing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 20, 2011, 05:17:48 PM
No love at all for Swat! Ok I am going out on a limb and saying that they will be tier III this year. I am hoping for at least six league wins this year. A shift in their lineup will make them much much bigger and a returner from two years ago will have some coaches shaking their heads saying, "I thought this guy was gone." I see 6'5 6'5 6'7 6'9 for positions 2-5 with a new shooting point guard. Look for Jay Kober to compliment Swat's other scorer really well. Kober is the real deal. Kober and Gates will make a great duo this year as they move to the 2/3. F&M wins the national championship with the best DIII player in the country.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 20, 2011, 10:15:46 PM
swat dad, i do wish swat luck this year (they are gritty and will be better with lots of young players coming back)and don't doubt they can do better than i predict. lots of unknowns so the predictions certainly are speculative.i heard turner is good and back at swat after a few years off. i will disagree with F&M winning the national championship. they will be good but not as good as last year with baker, tollver and mcnally gone. watch out for virginia wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 21, 2011, 06:48:22 AM
I actually said tier III kind of tongue in cheek as there really isn't a difference between III and IV. I love the league as they are not only good players, but good students also. Here is wishing for a great year and Swat getting an upset or two.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on October 21, 2011, 09:07:57 AM
Apparently F&M hosted Midnight Madness last night, and everyone rejoiced.  Thats opposed to March Madness, which always ends in them FAILing!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 21, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
Wow, finishing in the top 20 in the country is failure.  I wish I could fail like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on October 21, 2011, 11:34:50 AM
and hear we go!!!the vinegar and chest thumping begins! Ahhh,, the start of another Centennial Conference Men's season, gotta love it!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on October 21, 2011, 12:23:27 PM
wow, despite being new to this forum i see Reserved Seat has already taken the classy move of reducing my karma.  thanks for the welcoming. 

Sorry for speaking the truth, but its been this way for the better part of 2 decades.  F&M sends out another highly touted lineup filled with "star" athletes and recruits all set up for another March Fail.  Whereas my Bears see no need to win the preseason battle, we just handle our business on the court. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on October 21, 2011, 02:04:46 PM
Just saw that the d3hoops preseason all americans are out.  Good list, but Ward behind Milligan and Liddic?  I think the writers will be eating some crow over that one!  From the limited action i was able to see last year, Ward is a D1 calibur athlete that will dominate this season for the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on October 21, 2011, 02:22:21 PM
no fret UCHooligan98 I'm a -15. I wear it as a badge of honor. If you tell the truth on hear, don't pull any punches and don't worship the court Mr. Robinson rants and raves on you have no prayer of a positive "karma" as they say. Don't worry you will sleep well at night, I do. Can't wait for Nov. 15th, game 1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 21, 2011, 03:11:36 PM
UCH - you are right, Ward is not the third best player in the league. He is the fourth.  Milligan is by far the best player in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on October 21, 2011, 03:35:33 PM
All 3 young men are worthy of their pre season honors, Milligan and Liddic are a year ahead and have previous accolades from past years that put them ahead of Ward in any pre season honor as it's been noted. It's what most pre season honors are based on of course, previous years. If the order and rank of those pre season honors are worthy and deserved, only playing out the season will determine that. Good luck to all the guys, it should be a fun year in the Centennial
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on October 21, 2011, 07:04:20 PM
I may be confused, but I can't remember the season when the Ursinus Bears won the national title, so by this absurb definition every one of their seasons has been a huge disappointment too. To my recollection, of all the Centennial schools only three have ever been to the Final Four and only one to the Championship game: F&M 5 times (this is second best in Division III I think), Ursinius twice & Washington College once. F&M lost in Final in 1991 after winning semifinal by 50+ (that year must have also been depressing by this schizoid logic that seems to pervade UC scholars).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 21, 2011, 08:41:17 PM

D. B. -

I think Ursinus was in the final four sometime in the 80's (maybe 81 or 82). Seems to me that maybe the Red Devils of Dickinson were also in the final four once - again sometime in the 80's. I don't believe that JHU has ever been there in spite of many years of success.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 21, 2011, 08:42:36 PM

Swat Dad -

I still think that Swarthmore needs a coaching change to move to the next level. I just don't see why Wimberley is so highly regarded!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 21, 2011, 08:46:08 PM

Gabriel -

If you make it to Mayser, perhaps we can have a Centennial Board Meeting - Reserved Seat, me, and you. Say hello if you get the chance. I am a regular "game-attender" and ususally sit opposit the scorers table about three or four rows up close to center court. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 21, 2011, 09:17:24 PM
Ursinus went to the NCAA Championships' Final Four in 2008(fourth)
and 1981(third)
Saw both teams play their regular season games against F&M
Ursinus had 2 excellent teams.
Looking forward to the early season match up
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 22, 2011, 01:39:10 AM
UC...ward is a good D3 player. what position do you think he could play in d1?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 22, 2011, 08:16:41 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on October 21, 2011, 08:46:08 PM

Gabriel -

If you make it to Mayser, perhaps we can have a Centennial Board Meeting - Reserved Seat, me, and you. Say hello if you get the chance. I am a regular "game-attender" and ususally sit opposit the scorers table about three or four rows up close to center court. Regards,

Eric

Eric,

Will do next time we get to Mayser---probably on November 30.  Another chance is at Collegeville on February 1----or hopefully during the playoffs---place TBD.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 22, 2011, 08:19:12 AM
Quote from: centfan on October 22, 2011, 01:39:10 AM
UC...ward is a good D3 player. what position do you think he could play in d1?

It would have to be power forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 22, 2011, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on October 21, 2011, 03:11:36 PM
UCH - you are right, Ward is not the third best player in the league. He is the fourth.  Milligan is by far the best player in the league.

Swat Dad,

O.K., I have to ask the question.  Who then is the third best player in the CC.  Will anyone be surprised by the answer?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 22, 2011, 03:54:45 PM
no
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 22, 2011, 09:23:40 PM
I think Wimbo is a great coach, he just doesn't have the horses. I think there is a clear #1 and #2 in the league. Ward is terrific but plays three feet and in. Nothing wrong with that. But, not sure he is #3. I actually can come up with a few players I feel are at his level. Again, he is a great player but I have not seen him away from the basket. Having said that, if I coached him against Swat I guess I would do the same with him. So, never mind. As far as playing the four spot in DI, no way. Fours now shoot threes and play almost the same as a three. Almost every team now plays four out, one in. Thanks, love the discussions!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 23, 2011, 08:56:33 PM
Swat Dad,

A reply------but, you did not answer the question.  Who would you put at #3?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on October 24, 2011, 09:55:10 AM
Quote from: centfan on October 22, 2011, 01:39:10 AM
UC...ward is a good D3 player. what position do you think he could play in d1?

All depends on the program, etc.  In a low-level d1 league (patriot, maac etc) he would have to focus more on his outside game and pose significant matchup problems as a 4.  Now if he played for a lesser program in a major conference, he would have to add weight and play a 4/5 combo (but not score as much).  I went to law school at seton hall, and they had an unathletic center named Grant Billmeier in their last tournament year, and you cant tell me Ward wouldnt be as good, if not better than him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 24, 2011, 05:05:31 PM
Gabriel - I was thinking the power forward from Haverford (last name started with a P, I can't think of it right now). Tons of energy and ran the floor well. Then it hit me he was a senior. I like Ward, please don't get me wrong. I just saw him as kind of a three feet and in player. I have never seen him play away from the basket. And, I have limited exposure to him so I could definately be wrong. I worded it poorly. So, I feel there is a clear #1 and #2 in the league and not as much a clear #3. Sorry for that. My fault.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on October 24, 2011, 09:51:12 PM
I am new to the board and ready for the season to begin!  Go Dips!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 25, 2011, 09:40:26 AM
Good article on the rationale for the top 25
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/10/inside-the-mens-top25
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 25, 2011, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on October 24, 2011, 05:05:31 PM
Gabriel - I was thinking the power forward from Haverford (last name started with a P, I can't think of it right now). Tons of energy and ran the floor well. Then it hit me he was a senior. I like Ward, please don't get me wrong. I just saw him as kind of a three feet and in player. I have never seen him play away from the basket. And, I have limited exposure to him so I could definately be wrong. I worded it poorly. So, I feel there is a clear #1 and #2 in the league and not as much a clear #3. Sorry for that. My fault.

Swat Dad,

Jon can shoot well from 12-18 feet, he just doesn't for whatever reason.  There is no big man in the league that can run the floor with him.  He could have been an elite middle distance runner in track---again, if he wanted to.  I think he could have played the 3 in D1 but would have had to improve his perimeter shooting and ball handling,  The athletic ability is there.  And, by the way, he carries a 3.9 GPA as a physics major.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on October 26, 2011, 04:01:03 PM
Just to throw a name out there, how about Kevin Breslin at Washington College? His numbers are comparable to Ward's in terms of points and rebounds. He also plays on the wing where he has less of a opportunity to grab rebounds compared to Ward, and he averaged more assists. Obviously Ward had a higher fg pct and did average more points. Not taking anything away from Ward, I'm just saying Kevin Breslin deserves some conversation when talking about the best players in the Centennial Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on October 26, 2011, 05:38:27 PM
Quote from: Gusthegoose on October 26, 2011, 04:01:03 PM
Just to throw a name out there, how about Kevin Breslin at Washington College? His numbers are comparable to Ward's in terms of points and rebounds. He also plays on the wing where he has less of a opportunity to grab rebounds compared to Ward, and he averaged more assists. Obviously Ward had a higher fg pct and did average more points. Not taking anything away from Ward, I'm just saying Kevin Breslin deserves some conversation when talking about the best players in the Centennial Conference.

Good point Gus.  I'm just looking forward to seeing what Milligan does when he's not on a loaded team and he needs to be the star.  I imagine the perception will change quickly. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 26, 2011, 08:42:13 PM
Gabriel - I honestly did not realize he had that in his game. So I will defer to you and give him his dues. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MidAtlantic Maestro on October 27, 2011, 02:14:05 PM
I would like to introduce myself to the board! I am a longtime follower of the Centennial Conference and looking forward to adding my two cents every so often! Let's get the conversation started! Top teams for the upcoming season in the conference are (no particular order):

Dickinson  - good recruiting class and solid returning players
F&M          - defending champs, Milligan and an experienced cast
McDaniel   - returns almost their entire roster from last season
Muhlenberg - Liddic, Curry and the best recruited class in the conference

The season should be fun and I can't wait!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on October 27, 2011, 02:36:50 PM
Just out of curiosity, how does anyone come to the conclusion, at this stage of the season, who has "The best recruited class in the conference". MAM are you a recruiting guru, an ex college coach still in touch with your high school contacts, or just somehow familiar with every recruited Centennial Conference freshmans high school playing career? As I said, just curious
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on October 27, 2011, 03:33:15 PM
any top four that doesnt include Ursinus cannot be taken seriously.  well coached, a true star and several other returning players + a legit non conference schedule is a recipe for conference success
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on October 27, 2011, 04:36:36 PM
The Centennial Conference is wide open this season. I would be very surprised if any team runs away with it like F&M has the past couple of years. F&M lost a lot of talent but still has enough to win the conference. Dickinson, Gettysburg, McDaniel, Haverford, Ursinus, and Muhlenberg all had very similar records last year.  Washington College and Johns Hopkins both have talent that can compete for a playoff spot and Swarthmore is better then last year. Should make for a tight and exciting race throughout the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MidAtlantic Maestro on October 27, 2011, 05:10:30 PM
The Centennial Conference is wide open this season. I would be very surprised if any team runs away with it like F&M has the past couple of years. F&M lost a lot of talent but still has enough to win the conference. Dickinson, Gettysburg, McDaniel, Haverford, Ursinus, and Muhlenberg all had very similar records last year.  Washington College and Johns Hopkins both have talent that can compete for a playoff spot and Swarthmore is better then last year. Should make for a tight and exciting race throughout the season.


GTG, very well stated! Let the fun begin!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 27, 2011, 09:30:19 PM
When do the coaches' predictions come out?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on October 29, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on October 27, 2011, 02:36:50 PM
Just out of curiosity, how does anyone come to the conclusion, at this stage of the season, who has "The best recruited class in the conference". MAM are you a recruiting guru, an ex college coach still in touch with your high school contacts, or just somehow familiar with every recruited Centennial Conference freshmans high school playing career? As I said, just curious


Maybe he is not routing for just one team. I just go with the whole conference no one team is my favorite.
Why you ask.. know most of the college  Presidents and they are all class people. Still in touch with a few to this day.

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on October 30, 2011, 10:39:48 PM
The key for F&M is that they have the best player in the conference this season- Georgio!  What I am looking forward to see is how G Rob replaces the low post presence (I think Haek can handle it) and finds a guy who can knock down a 20 footer. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on October 31, 2011, 08:34:36 AM
Another typical F&M fan comment by Dipphan.  Basketball is a team sport, so even if Milligan is the best player in the league that doesnt mean half the league won't be able to game plan to contain him.  It is what good coaches do.  Sure, Milligan will dominate the dregs of the league like Swarthmore.  But against Ursinus it'll be a completely different story. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 04, 2011, 10:04:58 AM
The third annual Centennial Conference men's basketball coaches preseason chat is scheduled for Tuesday, Nov. 8, beginning at 1 p.m. EST. This live, interactive chat provides you the opportunity to ask the CC coaches questions about the upcoming season. We'll also release the preseason poll of coaches and SIDs that has predicted the champion in each of the last six seasons. Will Franklin & Marshall "three-peat" or is this the year for Muhlenberg or Dickinson? Find out Tuesday ... see you there!

Schedule:
1:00 - Gettysburg; 1:10 - McDaniel; 1:20 - Dickinson; 1:30 - Franklin & Marshall; 1:40 - Muhlenberg
1:50 - Johns Hopkins; 2:00 - Washington College; 2:10 - Ursinus; 2:20 - Swarthmore; 2:30 - Haverford.

http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/Chat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 05, 2011, 02:04:44 PM


Fellow Diplomat Fans -

Get your first taste of the season tomorrow at the "Blue-White" scrimmage. Details are contained in the lik below

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/20111104wxxgx4 (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/20111104wxxgx4)

Hope to see you there. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 05, 2011, 06:43:06 PM
go washington!!! go swat!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 06, 2011, 10:15:20 PM
The intensity at F&M's scrimmage was outstanding.
Only 13 players suited.
The 2 six-foot eight freshmen appear to be done for the season.  Injury and illness are the culprits.
F&M seems to be a little deeper.  It will be hard to replace McNally, Baker and Tolliver, but Henry looked healthy.
Two of the freshmen, Lee and Braham, look like they have a lot of potential.  Porter played well defensively.  Beckford looked good, and Georgio looked like Georgio(which is great).
The talk at the game is the players expect a challenge from all CC teams, but especially Muhlenberg and Washington.
Still looking forward to the coaches' poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 07, 2011, 11:12:57 AM
The season is about to start.  As a totally biased Ursinus fan, I am concerned about the Bear's schedule for the month of November, given that they are a very young team.  It could be a tough month.

They open the season at Marymount, not a great team but reportedly getting better with an excellent coach in Chris Rogers. Then they play a very good veteran Keystone team at the Rochester tournament and then, if they win play 6th or 7th ranked Rochester or, if they lose the first game, they play Plattsburg State.  After Rochester, they play on the road in November, McDaniel, Eastern (at Neumann), Moravian and F&M.  That is a tough schedule for a team that will probably have three freshmen and three sophomores in its rotation.  Bears fans should be prepared for a rocky start to the season----but you never know----that's why they play the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 07, 2011, 11:52:19 AM
Chris Rogers was an excellent assistant coach and recruiter for F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MidAtlantic Maestro on November 07, 2011, 01:13:22 PM

The Muhlenberg Mules had their annual red/white scrimmage over the weekend.  The word out of West Allentown is that the Mules are for real! They appear talented, balanced and much improved from a season ago!  All American Spencer Liddic, arguably the conferences best big man and a solid supporting cast will look to make life difficult for opponents in the Centennial throughout the upcoming season.




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 07, 2011, 02:34:40 PM
The Mules should be formidable this year.  I was impressed with their play and with Liddic and Curry having another year of experience under their belts.  If they added another decent freshman, they should challenge anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 07, 2011, 02:55:41 PM
Just a reminder to join us at 1 p.m. tomorrow for the annual preseason coaches chat. We'll also release the much-anticipated preseason poll. Is there a surprise No. 1 pick for 2012?
http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/Chat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 07, 2011, 05:49:57 PM
no question muhlenberg will be formidable this season. they are at the top of my list for difficult opponents and complete team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 08, 2011, 09:41:23 AM
to me liddic is the best big man in the conference, the most complete and the most reliable. i think he makes his team better as well. seems like a great kid and certainly a quiet leader.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on November 08, 2011, 10:47:20 AM
CENTFAN   I am always curious about guys on a sports comment site that speak on who is "THE BEST" at a certain position instead of commenting on a said player as one of the top players at his or her position. Have you ever run up and down a court for an organized school team? I get a really kick out of the guys who hide behind a chat site or a microphone, (as in radio or T.V.), who seem to have never played organized sport and proceed to comment on who is the best, who is a "choker" on the court, what coach is this and that, who is the best when the pressure is on, who deserves this honor or that. My apologies if indeed you have played the game and have indeed competed in the great world of team sport, but for those who haven't my opinion is simply your comments on who is what and deserves what aren't worth the message boards they are typed on. Though it does make for a curious brake from your day to day reality reading this stuff, almost like slowing down to take a peak at a car wreck on the turnpike. Maybe a requirement to participate on these sites should indeed be, first and foremost, you need to be an athlete "with experience" to comment. Mr.Liddic indeed seems like a great, humble young man who is also a great student so say his grades. But unless there is a wide, obvious, evident gap between "the announced best big man, best point guard, or the best recruited freshman class", and the rest of those involved, please leave that to be decided by the guys playing the game and the season ahead. Even then those determinations, at times, aren't that clear at the end of a season unless you truly know what your watching for. Should be a very competitive Centennial Conference, I look forward to it as should all CC fans. Good luck to all     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 08, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
dear coco
thanks for the response. i would suggest you not take it overly seriously but since you do/did, i would venture a really wild guess that if i applauded a different player than liddic you might not have sent me the response you just did. you might have happily agreed. it really isn't about the thought that expressing who the "best" big man might be is an inherently bad idea, it is that you get upset hearing choices that are not in line with yours.  then you want to make a highly speculative and uninformed case that i might never have played the game, don't know the game, am hiding etc. .. this board is not a competition, it is simply a group of fans expressing their thoughts and loyalties, generally without hostility.i apologize for having a different opinion than you but your record shows that you too make distinctions (as all athletes and sports lovers do) as to who is better, more productive, has better stats, deserves accolades etc..  my post was a positive one simply expressing my appreciation for a young man and basketball player that we all have seen and, i would guess, all appreciate. nothing more. why turn good into bad?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on November 08, 2011, 02:23:30 PM
Dear Centfan
One thing for sure, I'm not taking this too seriously,despite your "opinion", I've simply commented on statements and declarations I've seen, and read over and over again in forums like these about certain players, coaches and programs as you do Centfan. And no, your "really wild guess" is just that, it would not have made a difference who you picked as a stand out, the point of my comments, if you read them carefully enough, were focused on the participants on these sites and their basketball opinions that are based on simply viewing the game as a "sports fan". Most of these "sports fans" and their level of participation history in this great game consists of sitting on the couch with a cold one in one hand and the remote in the other watching March Madness once a year. Maybe, if they're lucky, they join in on a pick up game or two from time to time and catch up on the current issue of SI while on the throne. And I'm not interested in making this any kind of "competition", as you state, I'd simply like to read comments from informed, educated basketball fans who have obviously played the game, competed on the floor AND BEEN IN THE SITUATIONS THEY SEEM TO  WANT TO SIT ON HERE AND PONTIFICATE ABOUT. And as far as my "highly speculative and uninformed case" goes, it never seems to be responded to directly by those I bring this up to. It's pretty easy to pick out those I speak of, be it TV, radio, or here. If you took this as "hostile" maybe you took this a bit "overly seriously", though your opinion is welcomed. I'd instead like to call it a passionate opinion of something I have a 35 year history of being an active, involved participant in. If that's, as you say,"turning something from good to bad", I'll take bad anyday. My personal semi unrelated opinion Centfan, this world is full of complacent, PC yes men and woman who want to make no waves, not truly speak their mind, and follow instead of being a bit of a contrarian and maybe lead the way from time to time. If that's uncomfortable for most of you and out of your comfort zone, sorry not my issue. Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 08, 2011, 04:11:15 PM
coco
"My personal semi unrelated opinion Centfan, this world is full of complacent, PC yes men and woman who want to make no waves, not truly speak their mind, and follow instead of being a bit of a contrarian and maybe lead the way from time to time. If that's uncomfortable for most of you and out of your comfort zone, sorry not my issue."
thanks for your insightful world view.
stay calm my brother...life is good.
a long time ago i chose not to be a hater. i will pray for you. the cup is half full.
all best
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on November 08, 2011, 06:10:31 PM
Dear Dear Centfan,
Life is indeed good, it's even better when you pull no punches, speak your mind, and wear your emotions on your sleeve. Should give it a try ,it's very therapeutic. As far as praying for me, thanks but no thanks, got that covered. If you take from what I said today on this forum, and morph it into a reason to designate yours truly as a "hater", name calling is usually the road those take that have no other response. So I understand completely. In closing Centfan remember this, All truth passes through three stages, first it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as being self evident. How's that for a insightful world view? Now lets return to basketball talk instead of this amateur psycho analyzation, the season is upon us! Have a great evening. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 08, 2011, 09:22:53 PM
Am I on the wrong board?  I was looking for basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 08, 2011, 09:24:13 PM
F&M scrimmages Messiah on Saturday at 3:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 09, 2011, 06:44:42 PM

Reserved Seat -

I sure hope to be at that scrimmage since I missed the first one! Hope to see you there.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on November 10, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
It is nice to see people talking on this board, but it is a basketball forum. Let things play out on the court. Sometimes parents get to involved and let emotions control the patern of thought.

I never played any sports because of a drunk driver who hit me when I was 11 yrs old. So I look at the stats that are trending. Just watching student's who play the sport is all I can do and that I enjoy. Been doing that for 60yrs and marvel when there are outstanding players in all sports.

enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 10, 2011, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: old ends on November 10, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
It is nice to see people talking on this board, but it is a basketball forum. Let things play out on the court. Sometimes parents get to involved and let emotions control the patern of thought.

I never played any sports because of a drunk driver who hit me when I was 11 yrs old. So I look at the stats that are trending. Just watching student's who play the sport is all I can do and that I enjoy. Been doing that for 60yrs and marvel when there are outstanding players in all sports.

enjoy


Old Ends,

Well said.  I have enjoyed the sport for about as long as you and had the privilege of playing ---albeit, not that well.  I am a much better fan.  I enjoy talking with the players so much and I have not met a loser yet.  We will decide in February who has the best team.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 10, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
We are all fans of centennial hoops on this board and as fans we root for our team. I have no problem with a poster indicating that his team or a certain player is the best. That's what fans do. What I have found on this board is that we tend to be respectful of each other's opinions and root for all the centennial teams and players except when they are playing against our team. It is a conference of great schools and great kids. What's not to like?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 10, 2011, 05:35:50 PM
thanks old ends, gabriel and brce4. let's root and enjoy the season. old ends...i agree about parents sometimes getting way too involved and emotions ruling their better judgement. i have seen it all too often throughout the years and at times this board is no different. the games start up shortly...good luck to all the coaches and players. it should be another typical unpredictable centennial season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 10, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
Just a little Swat info: Their starting point guard (Jordan M.) for the last two years is over seas for the semester. That will hurt. He is a great athlete. The player filling in (another Jordan) is not as good an athlete, but a better shooter. That may make a difference. And, the big news is that Matt Turner (yes the same Matt Turner who played three years ago there) is back on the team and has two years of eligibility left. He is a 6'7" very athletic big man who is a tremendous defensive player. His coming back means everone switches positions. Will Swat be in the upper half - no. But, I think they will be a bit more competitive with Matt back. He gives the team a ton more toughness and defense. The good thing is that they will have this starting team together for the next two years. My optimistic goal is 15 wins over two years. I think 10-12 is more realistic. Can't wait for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 10, 2011, 08:19:33 PM
Swat Dad,

I wish Swat the best----good luck---except when they play Ursinus.  Coach Wimberly is a class act.  He does not always look it, but he is. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 13, 2011, 10:01:18 PM
F&M's scrimmage with Messiah went well.  Hard to judge how strong they'll be because I have no idea the caliber of Messiah.  Messish had several impressive looking players(guards) and one of their starters wasn't suited.  Not sure who will start in the final position, but the 4 that seem like the starters are Hayk, Henry, Georgio, and Beckford.  The final spot could possibly be Brewer, Braham, or McCormick.  Phelps looked good in the 3rd half.  He hit 5 threes in a row.
Looking forward to Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2011, 12:00:25 PM
UCHooligan98:

I think the post that irritated you came from cocoh2oDad, not Swatdad.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 14, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
Thanks Gabriel. My heart says great season, my head says, oh boy, this may be another long year. I do enjoy the games and root for our league against all the other leagues.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 15, 2011, 09:08:29 AM
What a great day. When people are arguing over billions of dollars in the NBA (yawn) D3 student athletes are in class preparing for a great day of competitive college basketball. D1 basketball marathon on ESPN and D3 hoops tonight; how can a rainy tuesday get any better. Good luck to the CC as it should fill out to be a competitive year.

Dickinson
F&M
Mules
Ursinus
McDaniel

Maybe in that order but I am not sold on that. Just a guess, no favorite team, just a huge fan of the conference and what it stands for.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 15, 2011, 05:11:12 PM

Fellow Centennial Fans -

Do we want to do a "Pick-Ems" contest this year? Let me know. If I get a large number of "YES" responses, I will go to work! Please advise. Thanks.

Good luck to all Centennial teams and their fans. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 15, 2011, 09:12:06 PM

Eric,

Yes
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 15, 2011, 09:52:51 PM
If you're willing to do the work, I'm in.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2011, 01:05:01 PM
Neumann(16-12 last year) beat Richard Stockton(16-11 last year) last night 59-51.  Should make for an interesting first game for F&M on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 16, 2011, 01:42:01 PM
Reserved Seat, if by interesting you mean hilarious when f&m FAILS, then i agree. . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on November 16, 2011, 04:31:15 PM
Washington College gave #15 St. Mary's all it could handle in both teams season opener last night. Down 1 with 17 seconds left, the Shoremen had a chance to take lead after trailing by as much as 8 points in the second half. Mark Deboy's final shot unfortunately hit off the side of the rim and was controlled by St. Mary's,who went on to win 78-74. Senior Chris Olsen and freshmen Mark Henry both had great games down low and senior Sal Schittino had 17 points from the perimeter. The Cain Crazies created a great home court advantage that the players clearly fed off of throughout the game.  Washington College played without Senior Kevin Breslin and two other players who were suspended. Washington College showed a lot of heart and determination playing short handed and showed they could be a threat to win the Centennial Conference this season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 16, 2011, 05:06:35 PM
Not a very good night for the CC last night going 2-7.  I was disappointed the Bears did not play better.  Not many high lights from the box score except for Jon Ward's 21 points and Pat Vasturia's 18. The offense never found got it together due to 20 turnovers.

Defensively, they seem to be much improved with the addition of three very athletic freshmen.  Kamara had 5 blocks---something we haven't seen in Collegeville for some time.  At the end of the game, Coach Small was using three freshmen (Walker, Harry & Kamara) on his defensive platoon.  Big disappointments had to be Janowski and Donahue---both experienced juniors who came up with dry no field goals between them.

Bears are a very young them---the minutes were spread between Seniors (only 16 minutes), Juniors (77 minutes), Sophomores (54 minutes) and Freshmen (53 minutes).  The absence of potential starter Ryan Adams due to an ankle injury did not help the Bears cause.  Will get to see them in Rochester this weekend and hope for better results.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2011, 09:39:48 PM
Looks like this board is going to be very negative this year.
Hopefully, the CC teams can turn around the slow start.  It would be great to have 2 CC teams make the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2011, 09:54:24 PM
Gabriel,
At least most of the scores were competitive.
Cabrini 77 Haverford 65
St. Mary's 78  Washington 74
Marymount 65 Ursinus 58
Washington & Lee 67 Dickinson 65
Alvernia 59 Gettysburg 56
John Hopkins 53 Goucher 49
Widener 82 Swarthmore 56
Frostburg State 76  McDaniel 48
Muhlenberg 74 Moravian 73

Cabrini and St. Mary's are ranked.
The two most shocking results to me were the Muhlenberg and McDaniel scores.
Also, as you pointed out Ursinus is young, so it may take a few games to see their potential.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 17, 2011, 08:53:01 AM
The 84-page Centennial Conference men's basketball guide is now available online. The guide contains preview information on each team, along with facts and figures from the 18-year history of Centennial basketball. http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/Guide  Hope you enjoy the season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 17, 2011, 10:15:06 AM
The Centennial Guide was one of the "inspirations" for my Conference Guidebook effort. It's good stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 17, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
With Ursinus, you are really talking about a team that is going to be battle tested come CC play.  I like what coach is doing, even in a loss it is about getting guys experience, etc.  Early season a coach should be willing to sacrifice results to find out what he has and what his crunch-time rotation should be.  Going to be a fine year for the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 17, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
the bears look like one of several teams that could go either way this year after looking at their roster. they are due to have a good year and i am sure coach small will have them ready mentally. many teams seem reliant on a few players with few teams solid across the board. dickinson seems to play the best team ball though lacking CC stars.CC seems very much up for grabs in terms of playoff spots...that is a good thing
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 17, 2011, 04:22:25 PM

Folks -

OK, here we go! Friday's (November 18) "Pick-Ems" listing:

Keystone vs. Ursinus (@ Rochester)
Coast Guard vs. Haverford (@ Swarthmore)
Ohio Northern vs. Gettysburg
McDaniel vs. Stevenson (@ Goucher)
Merchant Marine vs. Swarthmore (@ Swarthmore)
Neumann vs. Franklin And Marshall (@ F&M)
Wilkes vs. Dickinson
St. Mary's vs. Johns Hopkins
SUNY-Cobleskill vs. Muhlenburg
Washington vs. Goucher

Picks due by tip-off of first game. Let's have some fun!

Great to know that the season is finally here. Enjoy. Good luck to all Centennial Conference teams. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 17, 2011, 08:42:24 PM
Picks for 11/18

Ursinus
Coast Guard
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Merchant Marine
F&M
Wilkes
St Marys
Muhlenberg
Washington

This early, this is all a guess based on the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 17, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
best guesses
Ursinus
Haverford
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Merchant Marine
Franklin And Marshall
Dickinson
St. Mary's
Muhlenburg
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on November 17, 2011, 10:54:19 PM
Picks for 11/18

Keystone
Haverford
Ohio Northern
McDaniel
Merchant Marine
F&M
Dickinson
St. Mary's
Muhlenburg
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 18, 2011, 12:40:14 AM
keystone
haverford
gettysburg
mcdaniel
merchant marine
f&m
wilkes
st marys
muhlenberg
washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 18, 2011, 12:55:00 AM
11/18 picks:

Keystone (tough call)
Haverford (ditto)
Ohio Northern
McDaniel
Merchant Marines
F&M
Dickinson (shaky call)
St. Mary's
Muhlenberg
Washington College
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 18, 2011, 10:47:04 AM
a friend sent me an f&m preview with the following quote:


"I don't think we're half as good as we were last year," Milligan said.

hahaha, even the Dips best player knows there in for a rough year.  I hope my fellow Hooligans are ready to make his life miserable when he travels to our house!  The Bears have been in hibernation, but not anymore!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Wild10 on November 18, 2011, 11:26:57 AM
Picks for Today
Keystone
Haverford
Ohio Northern
McDaniel
Swarthmore
Franklin & Marshall
Dickinson
St. Mary's
Muhlenberg
Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2011, 12:20:48 PM
uchooligan98
I'd love to see your preview.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2011, 12:32:08 PM
After watching F&M's 2 scrimmages, the starting 5 are not yet as good as last year's starting 5, but the rest of the team will provide more depth.  Replacing  experienced big men like McNally and Baker will be difficult, but a healthy Henry, freshmen Lee and Braham, and Hayk, along with Sedano and Early will give Robinson a lot of choices.   The starting 5 have the potential to be greatly improved by the end of the season.  They haven't had the time together to know when they can be aggressive on defensive-knowing someone has their back.  F&M relies greatly on defensive, and their inexperience will show in the beginning of the year.  Talking to Georgio has provided different quotes than the one quoted.  I expected tonight's game to be close.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 18, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2011, 12:20:48 PM
uchooligan98
I'd love to see your preview.

Resereved, unfortunately i have not been able to watch much in recent years to give a better preview than what youll find in the CC official guide.  I know the type of player Ward is, and that he's good enough to challenge for player of the year, and i like our coach.  Thankfully i have finally reached a certain professional status that will afford me the opportunity to catch a few games this season (maybe even a few in person). 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 18, 2011, 03:51:03 PM

Here are my predictions for tonight's "Pick-Em" games -

Ursinus
Coast Guard
Ohio Northern
McDaniel
Merchant Marine
F&M
Dickinson
St. Mary's
Muhlenburg
Washington

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2011, 10:45:51 PM
In an exciting and interesting game, F&M was able to slip by Neumann in the waning minutes.  F&M had numerous turnovers caused by the relentless ball-hawking play of the Neumann defenders.  Despite throwing a stable of fresh defenders at Milligan, Georgio was able to come through in the clutch, offensively and defensively in the final minutes of the game.  Hayk played a tremendous game leading all scorers, as he and Milligan both scored over 20 points each.
One of F&M's Achilles heel was extremely prevalent as the team failed to hit a three until just before the final 2-minute point--a key 3-pointer by Milligan for the team's only 3 of the night.  Foul shooting another yearly problem was adequate(26-34).  Neumann should have a winning season in their league.
Tomorrow's game against Oneonta should also be challenging.  Oneonta dominated Kean in the second half of the first game.  They have size, speed, 3-point shooting, and good defense.  I'll be in my 'reserved' seat for 4 games tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2011, 10:58:30 PM
Another tough night for the CC.  Several close games, just not enough to win.  JH was the most surprising result, as they stunned St. Mary's.  I know my picks(guesses) weren't great.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2011, 11:33:52 AM
I believe I might not be able to get to a computer again before the next picks are due so here's my sort of best guesses for 11/19
F&M over Oneonta in a close game(hopefully Oneonta is cold behind the 3-line)
Muhlenberg over Immaculata(Muhlenberg may be the team to beat in the CC)
Dickinson over Catholic(should give an idea of what Dickinson has)
Plattsburg over Ursinus(Ursinus appears to need sometime to gel as a team)
Goucher over McDaniel
Gettysburg over Drew
Merchant Marines over Haverford
Washington over Stevenson
Salisburg over John Hopkins(could JH pull 2 upsets in one weekend)
Coast Guard over Swarthmoe
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 19, 2011, 12:07:15 PM
Tonight's picks below but 1st:

F&M right now looks like 14-15 win team at best. Georgio & Hayk are very good but the only other player who looked he had a clue plus a killer instinct was Salandra (he should start at center from now on), Henry played timid & scared to shoot or go to the rim strong, not at all like the far biggest player on the court. Nearly 30 TO's was frightening plus no 3-point threat. They need to find a way to get Phelps on the floor to see what he can do just to keep good teams honest. I was disappointed not to see him play even if there are concerns about defending or having turnovers (look what everone else did).

Oneonta SUNY (gets revenge over Dips for 2010 1st rd. NCAA loss in Long Island) Dips need to cut TO's in half & play much better to upset Red Dragons (9 point favs)
Catholic
Muhlenberg (no maybe about it the Mules are the team to beat, could it be JHU as next favorite?)
Plattsburg
Gettysburg
Goucher
Haverford
Stevenson
Salisbury State (Jays lose heartbreaker, possibly in OT)
Coast Guard
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2011, 11:09:56 PM
Despite a ragged game by both sides, F&M pulled out to a 64-46 win over Oneonta.  F&M dominated the boards and keep enough pressure on Oneonta to prevent them from getting open threes.  Playing an off-game for him, Georgio still managed to score.  Early foul trouble keep Hayk out of most of the first half, but he still lead the the team with 11 rebounds.  Salandra put together two good games in a row to join Milligan on the All Tournament team.  Robinson had the opportunity to good deep on the bench with most players getting valuable minutes especially defensively.
Unfortunately, the game wasn't as entertaining as the fast-paced first game between Kean and Neumann.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on November 20, 2011, 09:04:24 AM
I too saw both F&M games this weekend and feel the team is still far from its "#17" ranking... Georgio and Hayk are certainly the 'go-to' individuals but the balance of the starters need to get to elevate their games quickly if play-offs are too be dreamt... What I liked from the weekend - defensive intensity, rebounding, use of plenty of new fast athletic faces, quick passes for the open man (F&M staple where ball does not hit the floor for 6-8 passes minimum and movement is key...), playing "pissed off" where they just dropped into another gear because they knew they sould have been playing better...
What I do NOT like - Georgio's senior leadership - too much winey-face, hands in the air over the frosh mistake, careless outlet or down-court pass to someone who is not quite Tolliver, Baker or McNally - Georgio - you are the most gifted athlete in F&M history in decades and this is your senior year and you are an All-American... when you were positive & supportive, you were THE LEADER out there; that's makes you the ALL-AMERICAN we know so well;Salandra - keep cool - you are going to get lousy calls the next three years - McNally and Baker got hosed all the time, but they did something to cool their jets and yet maintain their intensity - you are a tough son-of-a-gun from NY and play that way; Sloppy 'high-light' film passing (F&M's style of the decades may be 'boring', but Robinson knows the fundamentals win tight ball games and runiing his offense and locking down defensively gets you to March); foul-shooting; maturity - yes, it will come with time and minutes played...
Ursinus is just two weeks away... that will be the first test...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 21, 2011, 09:52:49 AM
Excellent tournament in Rochester.  Four quality and well matched teams.  Rochester is really good. Unfortunately, Ursinus did not qualify to play them.  Rochester guard DiBartolomeo is the real deal---a terrific guard.  It was a pleasure to watch them,  ball movement and spacing were terrific.

Ursinus played 70 minutes of decent basketball but totally unraveled in the second ten minutes of the Keystone game.  28 turnovers for the game with about half coming in the second ten minutes of the game.  The Bears dug a hole too big to climb out of.

Ursinus looked like a different team against Plattsburgh.  They cut their turnovers to 14---played good defense and rebounded well.  Ward was doubled and tripled most of the time but still managed 29 and 21 points.  He is much more patient than last year---much improved.  Three freshmen played significant minutes and all contributed.  A good building block.  Playing quality opponents in the preseason will pay off.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 21, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
great analysis Gabe, thanks for the insight
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 21, 2011, 01:50:03 PM
Gabriel,
Thanks for the info.  I wish more fans would summarize their teams' games.  The more CC teams win, the better it makes the CC look.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 21, 2011, 02:36:00 PM
hey guys

I'd like to be in the picks league as CC action starts, but wont have the time to get in on a regular basis.  so i'm going to use the following formula for all CC games and i'll tabulate my record at seasons end:

Ursinus to win all games
F&M to win all non Ursinus games
Swat to lose all games
Hopkins to lose all non-swat games
Washington to lose all non swat and non JHU games.
all other games won by home team. 

thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 21, 2011, 05:33:51 PM
Picks for Tuesday---upset Tuesday

Washington
Gettysburg
Hopkins
Swat
Ursinus

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 21, 2011, 06:48:15 PM
tues

f&m
muhlenberg
haverford
mcdaniel
dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 21, 2011, 08:07:23 PM

Folks -

Here are the "Pick-Em" games for tomorrow night (11/22):

F&M @ Washington
Muhlenberg @ Gettysburg
Haverford @ Johns Hopkins
Dickinson @ Swarthmore
Ursinus @ McDaniel

Enjoy! All predictions are due by tip-off. Good luck!

Standings from 11/18 and 11/19 will follow. I am making the trek to Chesterton with Reserved Seat tomorrow night to see the Dips play at the Cain Center.

Regards to all. Have a great Thanksgiving! Travel safely.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 21, 2011, 09:40:06 PM
F&M
Muhlenberg
Haverford
Dickinson
Ursinus

Hopefully, it's a good night for the visitors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on November 21, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
Washington College
Muhlenberg
Johns Hopkins
Dickinson
Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 22, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
11/22 picks:

F&M (Tough game Sho'man may win)
Muhlenberg
JHU
Dickinson
Ursinus

Centennial games are tough to pick with confidence
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 22, 2011, 11:27:41 AM

My predictions for tonight's (11/22) games as follows -

F&M (a good test for the Dips)
Muhlenberg (even though they struggle on the road)
Johns Hopkins
Dickinson
McDaniel

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2011, 02:09:11 AM
 Where are they now dept.?
   Tim Harwood(frosh reserve on Muhlenberg last year) now starting for undefeated Salisbury and contributed 12 points in victory over #1 Va. Wesleyan tonite.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 23, 2011, 08:54:25 AM
After falling behind early 12-5, F&M turned on the defense and ran off 15 unanswered points.  The Shoremen found it hard to get off any uncontested shots, shooting only 1 of 14 from behind the 3 point line. F&M seemed to have a hand in every shot.
Washington tried double-, triple-, and even once quadruple- teaming Milligan.  F&M ended up with numerous uncontested lay-ups.  Scoring was well-distributed with Milligan with 16, Gyokchyan 15, and Beckford 14.  Olsen lead the Shoremen with 16, getting an easy 10 in the opening minutes.  Hayk, also, added 14 rebounds.  F&M was 0 for 4 on threes.  A solid defensively game keyed the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 23, 2011, 01:30:12 PM
Tough night for the Bears at McDaniel.  The game started one hour late because the bus was stuck in traffic.  The normal 2  1/2 hour drive from Collegeville took 4 1/2 hours due to traffic.  Even with the late start, McDaniel played very well----and the Bears did not.

Ursinus jumped off to an early lead and actually led 35-34 at the half.  The Green started off the second half with a flurry of three point conversions.  For the game, they shot 52 percent from three---13 of 25.  Number 13 hit 7 treys.  Over half of McDaniel's field goal attempts (25 of 49) were threes.  Ursinus converted only 4 threes.  Excellent shooting and spacing by the Green Terror and 22 turnovers by the Bears spelled the difference.  Ursinus held the rebounding advantage 34 to 18.

Give credit to McDaniel,  if they continue to play like that, they will be a contender.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 23, 2011, 06:43:43 PM
As F&M knows well, it's hard to beat McDaniel away.  It's been a bitter trip to McDaniel the last few years for the Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 23, 2011, 07:17:36 PM

Fellow Prognosticators -

I have compiled the "Pick-Ems" standings through and including last night's games. They are as follows:

NAME            LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
Diplomaniac1   5 – 0   12 – 3   .800
DBCooper     4 – 1   17 – 8   .680
Gusthegoose   3 – 2   10 – 5   .667
Cent fan                4 – 1   9 – 6   .600
Wild10                0 – 0   6 – 4   .600
Reserved Seat   3 – 2   14 – 11   .560
Gabriel                1 – 4   6 – 9   .400
         
Please double-check the above chart and make sure that I have made any errors or omissions. If you discover any errors, let me know and I will revise the standings.

Enjoy! Regards to all. happy Thanksgiving!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 23, 2011, 07:30:28 PM

Folks -

Here are the "Pick-Ems" games through the end of November (11/30). they are as follows

Saturday, November 26

Muhlenberg vs. TBD   (@ Gallaudet Tournament)
Ursinus vs. Eastern    (@ Neumann Tournament)
St. Marys @ F&M


Sunday, November 27

Gettysburg @ York
PSU-York @ McDaniel


Monday, November 28

Swarthmore @ Columbia
Haverford @ Catholic
Ursinus @ Moravian
Juniata @ Dickinson
F&M @ Lancaster Bible

Wednesday, November 30

Gettysburg @ Johns Hopkins
Ursinus @ F&M
Washington @ Haverford
McDaniel @ Dickinson

I will list Muhlenberg's other game for Sunday, November 27 after the opponent has been determined and after we know the outcome of the first Muhlenberg game.

Remember, all predictions and guesses are due by tip-off time on the day of the game. Let's keep this going and add some other participants! Enjoy!

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 24, 2011, 10:09:02 AM
Happy Thanksgiving Centennial posters!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 24, 2011, 11:46:01 AM
Eric,

Think I got two right, Hopkins & Gettysburg.  Not great but better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on November 24, 2011, 03:05:35 PM
I am new to the board.  I have been reading it for a few weeks now and thought I might join in when I can.  Seems like a nice group of people on here for the most part.  As you can tell by my name, I am a gettysburg fan!! They picked up a great win without their leading scorer Tuesday over Muhl.  It looked like their young players really came together and got a tough conference opener Win!!  Best of luck to all teams this weekend.  Hopefully gburg gets another good win at York Sunday, hopefully Zurn is back.  Apparently he hit his head on the floor at the end of the Drew game coming down from a rebound. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on November 24, 2011, 10:11:02 PM
  Looks like Monday is the Centennial-Landmark challenge round with Haverford, Ursinus, Dickinson playing Catholic, Moravian, and Juniata; good way to kickoff the post-Thanksgiving action.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 24, 2011, 10:23:32 PM
Here goes:
Saturday, November 26

Muhlenberg
Ursinus
F&M


Sunday, November 27

Gettysburg
McDaniel


Monday, November 28

Columbia
Haverford
Ursinus
Dickinson
F&M

Wednesday, November 30

Johns Hopkins
F&M
Haverford
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2011, 12:39:11 AM
Quote from: bullets on November 24, 2011, 03:05:35 PM
I am new to the board.  I have been reading it for a few weeks now and thought I might join in when I can.  Seems like a nice group of people on here for the most part.  As you can tell by my name, I am a gettysburg fan!! They picked up a great win without their leading scorer Tuesday over Muhl.  It looked like their young players really came together and got a tough conference opener Win!!  Best of luck to all teams this weekend.  Hopefully gburg gets another good win at York Sunday, hopefully Zurn is back.  Apparently he hit his head on the floor at the end of the Drew game coming down from a rebound.

Welcome, and hope you had a happy Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 25, 2011, 03:51:53 PM
Picks for the next few days:

Saturday 11/26
Muhlenberg over ????
Ursinus over Eastern
F&M over St Mary's

Sunday 11/27
Muhlenberg over ????
Gettysburg over York
McDaniel over Penn State York

Monday 11/28
Columbia over Swat
Catholic over Haverford
Ursinus over Moravian
Dickinson over Juniata
F&M over Lancaster Bible

Wednesday 11/30
JHU over Gettysburg
F&M over Ursinus
Haverford over Washington College
Dickinson over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Swat

Saturday 12/3
Gettysburg over Haverford
Ursinus over Swat
F&M over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Washington College
Dickinson over JHU
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 25, 2011, 06:01:38 PM
11/26 picks:

Muhlenberg over Valley Forge (VF peaks in colder weather & without provision)
Eastern (Ursinus an enigma)
St. Mary's (Dips in line for a 30+ turnover performance they won't be able to overcome)

11/27

Muhlenberg over all comers
York edges G-burg
McDaniel over PS-York

11/28

Columbia over SWAT
Catholic over Haverford
Moravian over Ursinus
Dickinson over juniata
F&M over LBC

11/30
JHU
F&M
Haverford
Dickinson
Muhls

12/3

G-burg
Ursinus
F&M
Muhlenberg
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Wild10 on November 26, 2011, 12:15:01 AM
Saturday, November 26

Muhlenberg
Ursinus
F&M

Sunday, November 27

Gettysburg
McDaniel


Monday, November 28

Columbia
Catholic
Ursinus
Dickinson
F&M

Wednesday, November 30

Gettysburg
F&M
Haverford
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mcdanielsid on November 26, 2011, 11:10:55 AM
Watch all 13 of McDaniel's 3-pointers from Tuesday night's win over Ursinus, complete with the call from Tim Murray and Dave Trumbo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsMtvHWz4-c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsMtvHWz4-c)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 26, 2011, 04:10:25 PM

Folks -

My "Pick-Em" predictions through 11/28 as follows:

11/26
Muhlenberg
Eastern
F&M

11/27
Gettysburg
McDaniel
Muhlenberg

11/28
Columbia
Catholic
Ursinus
Dickinson
F&M

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on November 26, 2011, 07:35:44 PM
Nice win today for the dips.  Is that the quality out of conference win that the ncaa bracket folks need to see when placing seeds and home field for the tournament?  ok regular season begins then a huge break.  On another note who cares about the nba?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 26, 2011, 08:27:31 PM
dipphan, I don't know if this is the quality out of conference the NCAA bracket folks want to see.  St. Mary's doesn't seem to have the quality team they've had the last 2 years.  We'll have to wait to see how St. Mary's progresses.  They should improve drastically, since they play a lot of freshmen(3 started)
In today's game , a game of 2 different halves.  F&M held on for a tough victory, after building a huge first half lead.  Milligan played All-American ball the first half(17 points-ending with 26) and the defense was tenacious.  Hayk played a consistent first half, followed by a solid half to end with 22 points.  Henry collected 4 blocks and 6 rebounds to follow up Tuesday's game with a another solid performance.
St. Mary's turned up the intense as they fought to get back into the game, coming up short as F&M came up with some clutch foul shooting.
The defense was great for both teams, and turnovers were numerous.
Porter suffer an injury midway through the final half, but should be fine by Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on November 27, 2011, 10:45:21 AM
Where was Spencer yesterday for St. Mary's? Injured? Suspended? He might have made the difference down the stretch... Didn't he have 25 against St. John's (not of Minnesota but QUEENS) earlier this year???

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 27, 2011, 02:31:03 PM
Internet was down in my area. Hope I'm not late to pick Muhlenberg today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 27, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Looks like my okay.  The tip-off isn't until 4:00
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 27, 2011, 02:47:37 PM
Hard to keep track of St. Mary's players; numerous players weren't wearing the number listed in the program.
Don't know if Spencer played(I don't think he did), but he's only averaging 9 points a game.  F&M's defense suffered at the end when Porter went down with an injury.  Porter seems to be the go to man for defense so far this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on November 27, 2011, 11:45:55 PM
A good win for the bullets today against York College.  Good team effort, playing again without leading scorer Zurn.
Good game featuring a contrast in styles.  Great foul shooting pulled the game out in the end, 18-19 for the game.
Next up, Hopkins on the road.  Hopefully Zurn is back and they get another win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 28, 2011, 09:03:19 AM
Hopefully for the Bullets their star players will be able to finish the season this year!  As for my Bears, i look forward to them putting all these F&M posters in their place on Wednesday night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on November 28, 2011, 08:18:34 PM
Holligan-  with the depth of the Dips, it will be tough for Ursinus.  I like this early season test for the Dips. 

As for the St. Mary game- the team was ranked #17 in the nation.  Please give them some credit.  I mean if it was on the road, it would be better. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2011, 08:42:51 PM
St. Mary's is riddled with injuries with two of their two scorers returning from last year out (one for the season; the second I am not sure how long).

SMC was out of my Top 25 ballot after the first weekend (not that they voted). While it appears on paper like it might have been a good win for F&M, don't count your chickens just yet. It's a solid in region win, but it might not prove to be a big or important win as the season progresses.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 28, 2011, 10:25:09 PM
UGLY--no intensity
LBC packed the paint allowing F&M to shoot from outside.  Milligan and Brewer hit their threes, but the rest struggled.(8 for 20) Still too many turn-overs, careless passes.  Hayk lead all rebounders with 12, and F&M controlled the boards 35 to 22.  The whole bench did get to play.  Hopefully, the team was looking ahead to Ursinus.  That would account for the lackadaisical performance. 
Gabriel, do you plan on being at the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 29, 2011, 10:55:21 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2011, 08:42:51 PM
St. Mary's is riddled with injuries with two of their two scorers returning from last year out (one for the season; the second I am not sure how long).

SMC was out of my Top 25 ballot after the first weekend (not that they voted). While it appears on paper like it might have been a good win for F&M, don't count your chickens just yet. It's a solid in region win, but it might not prove to be a big or important win as the season progresses.

excellent point Mac! these f&m fans are beating their chests like it means something beating a team that was good two years ago.  at my law firm i work with a few SHU law grads who went nuts when they beat VCU last week, as if beating a team that was in the final four is a statement win, forgetting that all the good players graduated!  Gimme a break. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 29, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
uchooligan, did you read my post?  I said it probably wasn't a quality win.  What post indicates anyone is beating their chest?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 29, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
uchooligan - St. Mary's was damn good last year... one win away (8 points, I think) from making it to the Final Four... losing to a very good squad in Middlebury. This isn't a two-year ago reference :-).

That being said, F&M has to prove a lot to people (though, apparently not a majority of Top 25 voters as they moved up to 14 this week). They are not on my ballot, though I debated it. I need to see more then a win over SMC and a decent start to the season after losing a lot of people from last year's roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MidAtlantic Maestro on November 29, 2011, 03:24:37 PM
Can someone explain the early season difficulties that Ursinus is experiencing? I haven't had a chance to see them play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 29, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
I just posted about the same time as D Mac and his must have wiped mine so will try again.

Ursinus is not ready for prime time as evidenced by last night's game against Moravian and 6 losses to date.  The Bears defended better, took better care of the ball (11 turnovers which is good for them), and spacing and ball movement were much better.  However, they could not buy a basket even with many very good looks.  23/64 (35%) from the field including 3/23 (13%) from three.  12/18 foul shooting did not help matters.  Numbers like that won't get it done.

The only other bright spot was the play of the freshmen.  Walker had 7 points and 7 rebounds in 25 minutes, Kamara had 6 points, 9 rebounds and 3 blocks in just 20 minutes and Trey Harry had 6 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists in just 15 minutes. Only one senior played---and just for 13 minutes.  Inexperience shows and team cohesion is still a problem.

The kids are fighters and will get better---hopefully this week against F&M and Swat.  The Swat game on Saturday will be their first home game of the season.  Perhaps that will help.  We can only hope so.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 29, 2011, 03:42:32 PM
I forgot to add that late in the game with Moravian last night, Ursinus had on the floor a line up of three freshmen, one sophomore and one junior.  This when the game was still on the line.  No senior starters, only one plays.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2011, 04:22:09 PM

Reserved Seat and Wild10 -

Earlier, I forgot to list one game from tomorrow night's (11/30) slate of "Pick-Em" games. Sorry about that! Several other posters have already caught my omission and have made their selections for it before I noticed. However, I wanted every one to be aware of it so they can make a pick in that game as well. The game in question is as follows:

Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Muhlenberg @ Swarthmore

Selections are due by tipoff time tomorrow.

Good luck. Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Ursinus seems talented on paper. The PG and the two bigs....what am I missing?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2011, 04:27:18 PM


Folks -

Here are the "Pick-Em" games for this weekend:

Saturday, December 3, 2011

Haverford @ Gettysburg
Swarthmore @ Ursinus
McDaniel @ Franklin And Marshall
Washington @ Muhlenberg
Johns Hopkins @ Dickinson

All predictions are due by tip-off. Good luck!

Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 29, 2011, 04:35:17 PM

Fellow "Pickers" -

Here are my selections for tomorrow night's (11/30) games:

Johns Hopkins over Gettysburg (home team)
F&M over Ursinus
Washington over Haverford (close call - team with better record)
Dickinson over McDaniel (another close one - home team)
Muhlenberg over Swarthmore

For the most part, it looks like we all have the same ideas, except for my selection of Washington!

Stay dry today! Regards.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on November 29, 2011, 05:07:08 PM
all this talk about ursinus and f&m warms my heart, but i haven't seen much about muhlenberg. where's the love for the team on the rise in a-town?  the mules will be the best team in the conference in a matter of weeks if they aren't already.  liddic is a beast, and the electric malique killing is going to teach a few things to milligan when they meet (and every other guard in the cent).  malique is "killin' it" as he will be for the next 4 years - already setting conference records.  aj dean is another amazing frosh in a-town.  so fellow cc fans, enjoy the banter while the mules enjoy their rise to the top.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 29, 2011, 09:32:42 PM
mulefreak02, did you read the older posts?  I mentioned Muhlenberg several times as a team to beat.  The Mules have a scary line-up.
diplomaniac1, I'll take Muhlenberg for Wednesday's game.  Did I miss any other picks?
Gabriel, are you going to be F&M tomorrow?

I still haven't figured out the strength of the teams yet.  Several teams seem very talented on paper and several teams are playing above expectations, so much for paper.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on November 29, 2011, 10:59:07 PM
Gabriel, I agree with your analysis of Ursinus.  They sound similar to Gettysburg right now.  Gburg is fairly young, especially with Zurn out.  One thing the bullets don't have is a big man like Ward, but they seem to use Bors and Constable  very efficiently.  When gburg was playing Muhlenberg they were trailing in the second half.  The coach then put in three freshmen, a sophmore, and a junior who has only played one year at gburg thus far.  THey went on a great run from the 10 minute mark to about 4 minute mark and pulled away.  I think the thing that helps gburg handle their freshmen getting time is their system. 

Mulefreak02, I agree that they have a great team, and that Liddic is a beast.  Malique on the other hand I have some issues with, none of which are about his abilities and talents.  He appears to be a very selfish player.  Granted I only saw him against Gettysburg, but here is what I saw.  First, their may not be enough basketballs around to keep them happy. Second, their coach was trying to coach Malique and he appeared to refuse his instructions and would not look at him.  Third, after the buzzer he ran off the floor and would not shake hands with the gettysburg players.  Their asst coach ran after him yelling something but to no avail, he obviously felt he was better then the team and game so he did not come out.  So, I agree he is very good, but his attitude is one that I would not want on my team.  Just my opinion, and I am sure some may disagree which is fine.  Just my observations.

Good luck to all teams tomorrow.  GO BULLETS
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 30, 2011, 09:21:58 AM
bullets...if what you say is true of killing, i would find him a nice seat until he conforms to college basketball protocol. high school is done and the coach should, and i trust will, deal with that kind of behavior.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on November 30, 2011, 10:17:54 AM
Go Bears!  big game tonight against a "ranked" team
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on November 30, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
centfan...those are true observations of Malique. I was not sitting near their bench so I don't know what words were exchanged. But, it made Malique, Muhlenberg, and their coaching staff look bad. Not sure how the coach handled it, but he was in the starting lineup the next game. Everyone deals with situations differently I guess.
Good luck to the teams tonight, especially the Bullets:-)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MidAtlantic Maestro on November 30, 2011, 11:46:13 AM
Bullets . . . The Killing Kid did not start the game against Valley Forge Christian College at the Gallaudet Tournament. Not sure what happened at the Gettysburg game but we should not be to critical of an 18 year old kid. The young man is a marvelous talent who has a chance to raise the profile and quality of play in the entire Centennial Conference.

Best of luck tonight to all teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on November 30, 2011, 12:05:41 PM
Not trying to be critical. Just stating my observation. I agree that he is a fine player.
Thanks for pointing out that he did not start the next game. I missed that. Good move by the coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on November 30, 2011, 02:19:01 PM
Johns Hopkins over Gettysburg
Franklin and Marshall over Ursinus
Washington College over Haverford
Dickinson over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 30, 2011, 03:24:43 PM
mid atlantic....in terms of behavior like overtly disrespecting a coach in public and/or leaving the floor without being part of the team when they are shaking hands after the game, all kids should have learned that in middle school, but certainly in high school. i would have no problem sitting any kid, regardless of talent, if his behavior embarrasses the program.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on November 30, 2011, 09:39:27 PM
Watched some of the Gburg game on video. They did not look very good. Signs of a youthful team, inconsistent. Bad from three and foul line. Hopkins did not look very good either, but the bullets obviously were worse. I have seen or watched all of their games so far and Hopkins was the least talented, but they had enough tonight to get the win. And a win is a win. Haverford is up next. Who knows after watching this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 30, 2011, 10:25:02 PM
F&M easily beat Ursinus despite numerous unforced turnovers.  Ward had a decent game, but received little help from his teammates.  F&M was about to double down on Ward every time he had the ball.  Despite Hayk and Kevin having foul trouble, Jon Salandra and Ed Early picked up the slack.  F&M improved depth this year helps them to compensate for foul trouble. Porter and Beckford continue to provide a stiff defensive presence. Fouls, rebounds, and poor 3-point shooting were consistent for both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 01, 2011, 01:17:08 AM
does anyone know what happened to lesniak on mcdaniel? he is not listed on their roster
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 01, 2011, 08:08:45 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 30, 2011, 10:25:02 PM
F&M easily beat Ursinus despite numerous unforced turnovers.  Ward had a decent game, but received little help from his teammates.  F&M was about to double down on Ward every time he had the ball.  Despite Hayk and Kevin having foul trouble, Jon Salandra and Ed Early picked up the slack.  F&M improved depth this year helps them to compensate for foul trouble. Porter and Beckford continue to provide a stiff defensive presence. Fouls, rebounds, and poor 3-point shooting were consistent for both teams.

Reserved Seat,

I looked for you last night, 4th row behind the scorer's table--but did not find you.  Will try again on Feb 1 in Collegeville.
Ursinus played O.K. defensively.  Kamara took Hayk right out of the game---hence the frustration and foul trouble. Ursinus can handle the F&M bigs, it's Milligan that is the problem.  Without him, F&M would be very ordinary.  He is special.

Ursinus is struggling offensively but they are working hard at getting better.  Starting line up last night one junior, two sophomores, and two freshmen.  Right now they are really struggling. They can only get better.

Interesting, GRob had his starters on the floor applying full court pressure with four minutes to go and a 21 point lead.
I guess that should not be surprising  having watched him operate in the CC for 12 years.

Come to play in Collegeville on February 1, it will be a dogfight.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2011, 08:59:53 AM
Gabriel,
I was in my seat.
It looks like Vasturia, Walker, and Krasna have potential and should be much better come Feb 1.
I wasn't impressed with Kamara, but it was only one game.  He had no finesse, just shoved players around.  I thought he should have fouled out early.
Hayk is still inconsistent, but fortunately F&M can rotate in a lot of big men.  I'm looking for Lee and Braham to be improved by Feb 1.  They both are playing tentative for fear of being pulled out.

By now, everyone knows Robinson's tendencies.
F&M would struggle without Milligan.

John Hopkins appears to be the early surprise team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on December 01, 2011, 09:41:01 AM
Cent Fan,

Lesniak quit the team after the first game of the season.  This is the second time he quit (first was his sophomore year).  Even though he was a talented player, they are a better TEAM w/o him...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 01, 2011, 02:29:34 PM
Anyone see Dickinson this year? Alot of talk about other teams, very well deserving, but the Devils are 2-0 looking to go 3-0 in the CC this Saturday. Still my pick to win the CC. They are better than last year (Wixted is better than DOlan was last year). Not a Dickinson fan per se but saw them this year.

Good luck to all CC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 01, 2011, 02:30:46 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 01, 2011, 02:29:34 PM
Anyone see Dickinson this year? Alot of talk about other teams, very well deserving, but the Devils are 2-0 looking to go 3-0 in the CC this Saturday. Still my pick to win the CC. They are better than last year (Wixted is better than DOlan was last year). Not a Dickinson fan per se but saw them this year.

Good luck to all CC teams.

They are 4-2 and both L's were by 2, in games they should have won. They were better than Catholic for 39 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 01, 2011, 06:06:43 PM
Reserved Seat,

Sorry I missed you.  I asked a couple of guys in the area but they didn't know your "handle" and I don't know what you look like.  Perhaps you should wear a rose in your lapel next time.  We live out of the area but still see a lot of games---but will not be back until January.

I think you are right about Krasna, Vasturia and Walker.  Kras is frustrated because the younger players are still trying to figure out where they are supposed to be.  Actually, right now I would rank the freshmen and their impact on the team as Kamara, Harry, Walker and Marciano in that order.  Kamara has little offensive skill at this point but he can defend and block shots----3 against Moravian.  He is a physical presence in the middle that we have not had since Luciano and Erfle.  Kamara is fresh off the streets of Cork, Ireland and is a great kid but very raw.  Mark my words----he will be a rebounding/defensive force in the CC for the next four years.

Phil Walker has great potential but needs to learn to play within the system instead of freelancing.  Trey Harry did not have a very good game against F&M but will be a good player.  The Bears lack the scoring wing to take pressure off of Ward----like Noonan or Hilton.  Matt Hilton was there last night but we couldn't sneak him onto the court---you might have noticed. Ryan Adams dressed for the first time since August in Italy and will help.  He is a 6'6" rangy 3---and only a sophomore.

I think you will see a different Bears team in January.  Hope they are not out of the running by that time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 01, 2011, 07:09:02 PM

Folks -

OK, here is a listing of the next ten "Pick-Ems" games through and including Sunday, December 18, 2011 It is as follows:

Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Dickinson @ Muhlenberg
Ursinus @ Haverford
Franklin And Marshall @ Gettysburg
Swarthmore @ Washington

Saturday, December 10, 2011

Franklin And Marshall @ Haverford
Dickinson @ Ursinus
McDaniel @ Washinton

Saturday, December 17, 2011

Wesley @ Washington

Sunday, December 18, 2011

McDaniel @ Elizabethtown
Drew @ Muhlenberg

This list was compiled from the Centennial Conference website. Please feel free to let me know if I have omitted any games through December 18.

Remember, all selections are due by tip-off on the days of the games. Good luck!

Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old ends on December 01, 2011, 07:57:55 PM
Well let's give it a try

Weds 12/7
Dickinson
Ursinus
F & M
Washington

Sat 12/10
F & M
Ursinus
Washington

Sat 12/17
Wesley

Sunday 12/18
Elizabethtown
Muhlenberg

If any other games appear I will update

Enjoy
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on December 01, 2011, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 01, 2011, 02:29:34 PM
Anyone see Dickinson this year? Alot of talk about other teams, very well deserving, but the Devils are 2-0 looking to go 3-0 in the CC this Saturday. Still my pick to win the CC. They are better than last year (Wixted is better than DOlan was last year). Not a Dickinson fan per se but saw them this year.

Good luck to all CC teams.

CC hoopster, good to hear some talk about the devils...i was beginning to think this was an ursinus/f&m chat room. let's be honest, milligan is a great player but f&m is a 5 win team without him. ward/janowski are now in their third year at ursinus after being highly touted recruits, yet ursinus fans still play the youth card. dickinson is the only team that i think hangs with the mules late in the season. the main question is where the centennial playoffs will be played, a-town or carlisle? i am looking for a good battle between wixted and liddic. malique killing and aj dean give the mules the edge. hopefully malique learned a lesson after what happened at gburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2011, 08:57:40 PM
Picks for Saturday, December 3, 2011

Gettysburg
Ursinus
Franklin And Marshall
Muhlenberg
Dickinson

The conference is shaping up to be extremely competitive.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 01, 2011, 10:37:36 PM
dec 3
haverford
ursinus
f&m
muhlenberg
dickinson



dec 7
muhlenberg
haverford
f&m
washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 01, 2011, 11:41:25 PM
Picks:
12/7:
Mules
Haverford
F&M
Washington

12/10
F&M
Dickinson
Washington

12/17
Washington

12/18
E-town
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2011, 12:39:28 PM

old ends -

We haven't heard from you in awhile. It's nice to see that you are posting again and know that you are alive and kicking out there!

Welcome to this year's version of the "Pick-Ems". Good Luck.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2011, 01:22:10 PM
Folks -

Gabriel thought I made a mistake in compiling the standings for the November 22 "Pick-Em" games. He is indeed correct!

At his request, I reviewed my chart and determined that I had incorrectly marked the results of the Gettysburg vs. Muhlenberg game. This recording error affected the win-loss records that I posted for Gaabriel, Gusthegoose, Centfan, D. B. Cooper, and Diplomaniac1 (me). It did not affect the win-lossrecords listed for Reserved Seat and Wild10. However, it did change the order of standings in the middle od the pack.

So, the following is the revised standings chart as of (and including) Tuesday, November 22:


NAME             LAST NIGHT TO-DATE PERCENTAGE         

Diplomaniac1   4 – 1   11 – 4   .733
D. B. Cooper   3 – 2   16 – 9   .640
Gusthegoose   2 – 3   9 – 6   .600
Wild10                0 – 0   6 – 4   .600
Reserved Seat   3 – 2   14 – 11   .560
centfan                3 – 2   8 – 7   .533
Gabriel                2 – 3   7 – 8   .467

Standings through and including Tuesday, November 22, 2011 (Revised)

Sorry for the error and the confusion. It is a good example why it is always good to doublecheck my postings.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2011, 01:39:15 PM

Fellow "Pickers"

I have now compiled the "Pick-Ems" standings through and including the games of Wednesday night, November 30. They are as follows:


NAME            LAST NIGHT               TO-DATE         PERCENTAGE         

Diplomaniac1   4 – 1               25 – 6        .806
D. B. Cooper   5 – 0               30 – 11        .732
Wild10                3 – 1               17 – 7        .708
Gabriel                5 – 0               21 – 10        .677
Reserved Seat   5 – 0               27 – 14        .659
Gusthegoose   4 – 1               13 – 7        .650
centfan                0 – 0                8 – 7        .533

(Standings through and including Wednesday, November 30, 2011)

Congrats to D. D. Cooper, Gabriel, and Reserved Seat for their perfect 5 - 0 records. Overall, I seem to be "leading a charmed life" with my picks!

Let me know if you find any errors or omissions. Enjoy the games on Saturday.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 02, 2011, 05:26:53 PM
Eric,

I did not give you picks for 12/3 before so will do it now.  Here are my picks:

12/3 Saturday
Gettysburg
Ursinus
F&M
Muhlenberg
Dickinson

12/7 Weds
Muhlenberg
Ursinus
F&M
Washington College

12/10 Saturday
F&M
Ursinus
Washington College

12/17 Saturday
Washington College

12/18 Sunday
Elizabethtown
Muhlenberg

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2011, 06:56:02 PM

Folks -

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's (Saturday, December 3) games as follows:

Gettysburg over Haverford (home court edge)
Swarthmore over Ursinus (Garnet get first win in a close one)
Franklin And Marshall over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Washington
Johns Hopkins over Dickinson (would be that surprised at the opposite outcome)

Go safely if traveling to games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2011, 07:03:29 PM

UCHooligan98 -

If you are keeping track of results of the generic picks that you made at the beginning of the season, I will be glad to add them to the next posting of my update of the standings chart. Just send your win-loss record directly to me and I will post. Thanks.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 02, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
Hey guys, I have some very depressing and surprising news regarding Swarthmore basketball. Coach Wimberly is no longer the coach of the team. I have no other info other than saying I found out by a very distraught call. Wimberly did not tell the team nor has he spoken with them. Swarthmore has already removed him from their website. Wimberly is a class act. Just thought the basketball world should know and not from rumors et al. Really sad day.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 02, 2011, 08:04:45 PM
good luck coach wimberly. i hope life after swat will be good to you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on December 02, 2011, 11:57:42 PM
Gettysburg over Haverford
Ursinus over Swarthmore
Franklin and Marshall over McDaniel
Washington College over Muhlenberg
Dickinson over Johns Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on December 03, 2011, 01:27:53 PM
From D3hoops.com 12-3-11

Wimberly out at SwarthmoreMore news about: Swarthmore
  Wimberly
Swarthmore athletics photo
Lee Wimberly is out as head men's basketball coach at Swarthmore. Multiple sources tell D3sports.com that he has resigned.

The Garnet are 0-6 this season. Wimberly's career record was 184-417 in 25 seasons.

The Swarthmore athletics website lists 10th-year assistant Joe Culley as the interim head coach.

Wimberly's 1990-91 team posted 17 wins, the most in school history. His 1996-97 team finished with 16 wins, played for the conference championship, and was invited to the ECAC Tournament for the first time ever. Wimberly's 184 career victories at Swarthmore rank him as the winningest coach in school history.

+++++++
Did not know the man but heard that he was a beloved old-school character who truly coached student athletes... I hope he gets what he needs as soon as he can...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on December 03, 2011, 01:31:51 PM
The dips have a tough one today. they always seem to have a let down in this spot.  well see.  i think that the dips have some areas where they can improve.  but as shown in the your sinus gamethe other night they are still the class of the conference with the best player milligan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on December 03, 2011, 06:05:22 PM
wow, Swat fires their coach who cant even tuck his shirt in and they beat my Bears.  tough day
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Wild10 on December 03, 2011, 08:22:38 PM
They went out there today to win one for Wimbo and they did it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2011, 10:23:12 PM
F&M game started out slow for both teams, as the teams both played tight defense with few calls.  The calls came more frequently as the game progressed changing the flow of the game.  Milligan and Salandra had good games for the Dips.
Salandra seems to have won a starting position.  Robinson is still tinkering with the sub rotation.  Phelps and Braham played more minutes today, but Braham came down hard on his back and favored it the rest of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on December 03, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
This is a tough one to swallow.  Anytime you lose to Swarthmore, it really is time to rethink your program.  I was very excited and energized by the youth of the team this year, but this loss makes me wonder if we've taken too big a step backwards. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 04, 2011, 12:07:46 AM
congrats to swat for a nice victory at a tough time with wimberly resigning and matt turner leaving the team. nice job staying focused and tough.
stick with your team hooligan....it's early in the season. the conference is upside down.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 04, 2011, 02:42:27 PM
I can honestly say it was the best victory I have ever seen. The team was all playing for Coach Wimberly and it showed. What a beautiful gym and campus! It would have been fun to have Ward hit his 1000th point also in the game. Not sure how many college games would have two guys hitting their 1000th point in the same game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 04, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
Why didn't they play that hard for Coach Wimberly when he was the coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 05, 2011, 04:52:36 PM
Sounds like Culley was pleased with his first victory.  Hopefully, we'll see more victories for the Garnet.
Good luck, Coach Culley.
Well wishes to Coach Wimberly in retirement.  I'll miss seeing his antics on the sidelines.  It was always fun trying to guess when the shirt tail would come out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 05, 2011, 05:39:28 PM
Here goes nothing.  The coaches' preseason picks weren't very on target to start the season.  Between John Hopkins and Ursinus, my picks are going nowhere.

Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Muhlenberg
Haverford
Gettysburg
Washington

Saturday, December 10, 2011
Franklin And Marshall
Dickinson
McDaniel

Saturday, December 17, 2011
Washington

Sunday, December 18, 2011
Elizabethtown
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 05, 2011, 05:54:13 PM

Folks -

Here are my selections for Wednesday (12/07) night's "Pick-Ems" games:

Muhlenberg over Dickinson
Haverford over Ursinus
Franklin And Marshall over Gettysburg
Washington over Swarthmore

I will be posting the updated standings (through and including Saturday's games) shortly. The next update (after Wednesday's games) will be delayed as I have some out-of-town traveling to do. I will probably not get to see the Diplomats play until Saturday at Haverford. Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 05, 2011, 06:13:46 PM


I have compiled the updated "Pick-Ems" standings through and including Saturday's (12/3) games. There are as follows:

NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE         

Diplomaniac1   4 – 1   29 – 7   .806
Wild10                0 – 0   17 – 7   .708
D. B. Cooper   2 – 3   32 – 14   .696
Gusthegoose   3 – 2   16 – 9   .640
Gabriel                2 – 3   23 – 13   .639
Reserved Seat   2 – 3   29 – 17   .630
centfan                1 – 4   9 – 11   .450

Standings through and including Saturday, December 3, 2011

I trust that the above is accurate. Please double-check the chart and let me know if any corrections are needed. Please remember that the next set of predictions are due by game time on Wednesday evening. Good luck!

Enjoy the games. Regard to all!

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 06, 2011, 04:11:23 PM
dec 7

muhlenberg
haverford
f&m
swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on December 07, 2011, 04:15:53 PM
Dickinson over Muhlenberg
Ursinus over Haverford
Franklin and Marshall over Gettysburg
Washington College over Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 07, 2011, 11:21:50 PM
With Brewer under the weather, Milligan played most of the game despite an injury suffered against McDaniel.  Milligan managed 17 points in a more controlled game.  Hayk had a double double and played decent defense.  F&M's team tenacious defense kept Gettysburg from getting many decent shots and kept them out of their offensive plan.  The refs called numerous fouls giving Gettysburg an opportunity to get back into the game.  The fouls evened out as Gettysburg went into foul mood the last few minutes of the game.  Playing his most significant time in his F&M career McCormick collected 11 points in 24 minutes of play.  Ed Early provide about 10 minutes of key defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 08, 2011, 08:09:09 AM
Ursinus finally played a good game----only 12 turnovers---38 rebounds.  Defense and rebounding led the way as they must.  Hopefully the Bears will continue to play up to their potential.  Congratulations to Jon Ward (22 points) for going over 1,000 points for his career.  Welcome back Ryan Adams---6 points in 8 minutes---as he works his way back from an ankle injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on December 08, 2011, 09:27:05 AM
Why didn't Cam Baker play for Haverford last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on December 08, 2011, 01:41:26 PM
If the Dips keep up the defensive intensity and get performances like McCormack's last night (Beckford, Salandra, Henry and Brewer have all filled that role...), they will be a tough opponent for anyone... Georgio and Hayk are playing all-leagur right now, but the rest of the cast are bringing the tough games home...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 09, 2011, 09:13:08 AM


I am still on the road! However, here are my selections for tomorrow's (Saturday, December 10) "Pick-Ems" games:

Franklin And Marshall over Haverford
Dickinson over Ursinus
Washington over McDaniel

After returning to Lancaster, I will be making the trek to the "Main Line" on Saturday to see the Diplomats play at Haverford.

Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on December 10, 2011, 01:11:17 PM
Franklin and Marshall over Haverford
Dickinson over Ursinus
Washington College over McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 10, 2011, 05:42:16 PM
I think you are seeing a different Ursinus team.  They seem to have figured it out with convincing wins against Haverford and Dickinson.  Turnovers are down, rebounding is great and defense improving every week.  Kamara is becoming a force with 10 rebounds and 2 blocks in only 20 minutes.  Reggie did a nice job on Wixted as well but ran into foul trouble early and late.

The message is----do not take the Bears lightly.  They will have a say in who wins the conference.  Too bad they let the Swat  game get away.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 10, 2011, 09:45:49 PM
Just saw Dips fend off Fords. Hard to believe Haverford has so few wins with the way shoot the three-ball (must have been at a 75% clip today) plus their tenacious scrappy defending.

Anyway Georgio is strong as always (him having a bad game or injury could derail the Dips). Hayk is fun to watch when he doesn't get in foul trouble. Salandra is perhaps the key component & his increased role that I wanted from the start of the year has come to pass, without him & his smart athletic play they would be losing games. Under the RADAR but critical is Porter's unrelenting defensive play. Beckford & Brewer need to provide more points. Bench is deeper than usual for F&M teams. I would have to upgrade my expectations to an 18-20 win regular season. Plus a dogfight with Muhlenberg & possibly JHU for the top 3 spots in the CC seems likely.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 10, 2011, 10:13:31 PM
Haverford gave F&M all they could handle.  Hayk's double-double(27-11) and Georgio's near double-double(21-8) held off the Fords relentless defense.  F&M's 0 for 4 from three allowed the Fords 7 for 11 to keep the scoring close.  F&M continues to play tight defense allowing few easy open looks.  Salandra's 5 blocks(with 2 in the last minute) helped to hold  the lead at the end.  Now a three week break.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 10, 2011, 11:33:28 PM
reserved seat and d.b. cooper...who looked good for haverford today? i wasn't able to get to see the dips play them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on December 11, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
Where was Cam Baker? He is such a nice player for Haverford... Could have been the difference yesterday...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 11, 2011, 12:51:45 PM
Goldberg, Michel, and Cohen stood out in my opinion for the Fords.
Baker appeared to be sitting on the bench out of uniform.  Maybe, it's an injury.
I don't think his play would have changed the game, because Goldberg and Michel would have gotten less time and they were having tremendous games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 12, 2011, 01:47:54 PM

Folks -

Here are the "Pick-Ems" standings through and including the games on Wednesday, December 7:


NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
Diplomaniac1   3 – 1   32 – 8   .800
Wild10                0 – 0   17 – 7   .708
D. B. Cooper   3 – 1   35 – 15   .700
Gabriel                4 – 0   27 – 13   .675
Gusthegoose   3 – 1   19 – 10   .655
Reserved Seat   2 – 2   31 – 19   .620
oldends                2 – 2   2 – 2   .500
centfan                2 – 2   11 – 13   .458

Standings through and including Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Welcome to oldends who joined the fray! Kudos to Gasbriel for his perfect 4 -0. Standings to include the Saturday games will be posted shortly. Let me know if you find any errors or omissions. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 12, 2011, 02:27:27 PM
Folks -

I have compiled the "Pick-Ems" standings through and including Saturday's games. they are as follows:


NAME   LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
Diplomaniac1   2 – 1   34 – 9   .791
oldends                3 – 0   5 – 2   .714
Wild10                0 – 0   17 – 7   .708
D. B. Cooper   2 – 1   37 – 16   .698
Gabriel                3 – 0   30 -13   .698
Gusthegoose   2 – 1   21 -11   .656
Reserved Seat   1 – 2   32 – 21   .604
centfan                0 – 0   11 – 13   .458

Standings through and including Saturday, December 10, 2011

Kudos to oldends and Gabriel for their perfect 3 - 0 records! Don't hesistate to let me know if I have made and errors or missed anything.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on December 12, 2011, 04:46:04 PM
just wanted to add to Diplo that, using my generic preseason formula, i'm now 13-9 with a .591 percentage.  I'll track my own stats since i wont be able to post regularly. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 13, 2011, 01:35:29 PM
According to reports, Cam Baker suffered a concussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 13, 2011, 11:35:24 PM
what reports are you referring to?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 14, 2011, 08:27:24 AM
F&M athletic dept.  Baker was on the bench in street clothes on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 16, 2011, 07:50:05 PM

Folks -

Here are my selections for this weekend's "Pick-Ems" games:

December 17

Washington over Wesley

December 18

McDaniel over Elizabethtown
Muhlenberg over Drew

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 16, 2011, 08:04:33 PM


Folks -

Here is a listing of the next slate of "Pick-Ems" games for the first half. It includes games through and including December 29. I will add games for December 30 later on. They are as follows:

Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Salisbury @ Washington College

Wednesday, December 28, 2011

Ursinus vs. Ramapo (@ Las Vegas)

Thursday, December 29, 2011

Juniata vs. Gettysburg (@ Washington And Lee Tournament)
Carbini vs. Johns Hopkins (@Centre College Tournament)
McDaniel vs. Worcester State (@Virginia Beach Tournament)
Medaille vs. Dickinson (@ St. John Fisher Tournament)
Washington @ Cal Lutheran

Remember all selections are due by tip-off times on the day of the games. Good luck!

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 17, 2011, 11:24:36 AM
Eric,

Need to freshen up my picks:

Saturday, 12/17
Washington College over Wesley

Sunday, 12/18
McDaniel over Elizabethtown
Muhlenberg over Drew

Tuesday 12/20
Washington College over Salisbury

Wednesday 12/28
Ursinus over Ramapo

Thursday 12/29
Juniata over Gettysburg
Cabrini over JHU
Worcester State over McDaniel
Medaille over Dickinson
Cal Lutheran over Washington College

Friday 12/30
Ursinus over Skidmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on December 17, 2011, 04:21:47 PM
Washington over Wesley
Elizabethtown over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Drew
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 18, 2011, 04:22:07 PM

Folks -

Here is my "Pick-Ems" selection for Tuesday (December 20) night's game:

Salisbury over Washington College.

I will wait until close to the end of the hyear to post the next updated standings. Regards to all.

Have a great holiday!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 19, 2011, 02:46:33 PM
Here's my guesses:
Tuesday, December 20, 2011
Salisbury

Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Ramapo

Thursday, December 29, 2011

Juniata
Carbini
McDaniel
Medaille
Washington

diplomaniac1--F&M added a game on Jan. 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 19, 2011, 07:14:53 PM

Reserved Seat -

Thanks for the notice about the "added game". Please post details (time and opponent) since this information has not yet been listed on the F&M website. Have a great Christmas.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 19, 2011, 07:16:43 PM
Tough picks, here we go:

12/20:
Salisbury

12/28:
Ramapo

12/29
G-burg
Cabrini
McDaniel
Dickinson
Cal Lutheran
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 19, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
Dip1

In case you missed it, Ursinus plays Skidmore in Las Vegas on Friday, December 30
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on December 20, 2011, 10:40:42 AM
Anyone headed to vegas for the classic?  i'd love to see my Bears wreak havoc in sin city.  Alas, itll be a busy week of work and I'd prefer to be in the office as opposed to working remotely as that week always presents several end-of-year issues.  For those going, here are my top vegas tips (thankfully there recently for work):

- The venetian sportsbook was remodeled in the Spring and is now the best book in town to watch games (far surpasses the standard bearer Caesars, which is in desperate need of work).

- The cosmopolitan is the new place where beautiful people congregate.  It used to be Hard Rock, but that place has turned into a bad episode of the Jersey shore.  You still get a great view of the ladies at Wynn/Encore and Venetian/pallazzo, but because of its location Cosmo is flooded with them.

- If youre in the mood for top level dining on the cheap, try Lavo at Palazzo, great italian food at a reasonable price with huge portions.  If money is no object and you want the best steak of your life, go to Delmonicos at Venetian. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 20, 2011, 12:01:42 PM
UC - I will be there for the second straight year covering the games... and while I won't get the chance to really wine and dine in Vegas due to my schedule... I do suggest Craft Steak in the MG (there is also a sandwich version I plan to visit right near the restaurant). It is Tom Colicchio's (Top Chef fame) place and I had an incredible meal there last year... but money has to be no object! :-)

As for Ursinus... I don't have my hopes up. The teams seems to be stuck in a rut and games against Ramapo and Skidmore may not help.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 20, 2011, 09:59:51 PM
To complete its allotted allowance of 25 games, F&M added a rematch with Oneonta State.  F&M searched over 150 schedules looking for an opponent that needed another game.  One other team was located but wouldn't play F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on December 20, 2011, 11:33:05 PM
I assume they will be heading to their place since they made the first trip? Or has that not been determined yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 21, 2011, 08:07:50 AM
The game will be at F&M.  Oneonta will be returning from a game down south and will stop in Lancaster on the way back.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on December 21, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
Great find F&M! A really tough opponent for Glenn's bunch!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 21, 2011, 10:01:24 AM
Not the opponent they wanted, but everyone else's schedule was complete.  One other school was available, but their record was even worse.  F&M offered to go to their court but they weren't willing to play F&M.  You take what you can get. Two years ago Oneonta was 22-7, ending their season with a loss to F&M allowing F&M to make the Elite Eight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on December 21, 2011, 01:25:54 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 21, 2011, 10:01:24 AM
Not the opponent they wanted, but everyone else's schedule was complete.

gee, ya think! It's only halfway through the season. wasn't another game with LBC possible?

Happy holidays to all...it sure is for my 8-2 mules. Our star studded lineup is only getting better!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on December 21, 2011, 01:31:44 PM
Hey Freak, i imagine going to school in the slums of Allentown gives you a tough skin, but youre nuts if you think the Mules are a contender.  You beat Swat and Medger Evers, lets see what happens when conference play really gets going and you have to face the Bears. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on December 21, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
Hey hooley, before ripping a-town, maybe you should check which city your precious star player hails from. and it's interesting that you bring up the mules beating Swat. what was that Ursinus-Swat score again? maybe you should stick to breaking down the vegas restaurant scene.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 21, 2011, 06:59:07 PM

Folks -

Here are my "Pick-Ems" predictions for the next six games:

December 28

Ramapo over Ursinus

December 29

Gettysburg over Juniata
Johns Hopkins over Cabrini
Worcester State over McDaniel
Dickinson over Medaille
Cal-Lutheran over Washington College

Enjoy the games and the holidays! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 21, 2011, 07:03:51 PM


Folks -

Here is another games for "Pick-Ems" predictions:

Friday, December 30, 2011:

Ursinus vs. Skidmore (@ LasVegas Tournament)

Selections are due by tip-off time.

Happy holidays! Travel safely.

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on December 21, 2011, 11:05:20 PM
Makes sense for Oneonta to go to F&M if they are heading that way.  At this time of the year you take whatever game you can get.  Options are limited, and a game is a game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 22, 2011, 12:47:18 PM
Final pick of the year

Friday, December 30, 2011:
Skidmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 25, 2011, 03:35:13 PM
12/28
ramapo
12/29
juniata
cabrini
worcester state
medaille
cal lutheran
12/30
skidmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 26, 2011, 09:59:56 PM
centfan,
Is the Centennial Conference that weak?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: shoreman55 on December 27, 2011, 10:32:22 PM
so as we enter 2012, what are everyones all conference teams? Theres a lot of talk on these boards of the same players, lets give the rest of the league some love. heres my group

1st team: Milligan, Breslin, Killing, Liddic, Ward
2nd team: Zurn, Hoenig, Gates, Gyokchan, Wixted
3rd team: Baker, Schittano, Krasna, Bugarinovic, Cohen
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 28, 2011, 12:52:22 PM
shoreman,

For starters, I would definitely flip Gates and Killing.  Gates deserves to be first team and Killing has not yet earned it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 28, 2011, 02:22:46 PM
I think a team of Milligan, Breslin, Gates, Liddic, and Ward would be fun to watch play. Impossible to press, great inside/outside game, and no real weaknesses. I would like to see Co-MVP's this year in Liddic and Milligan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 28, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
reserved seat,
no, the CC is not weak, but in these particular games i picked the teams i thought would win. so far, so good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 28, 2011, 10:58:38 PM
as far as the all league selections, it's a bit early to say. too much emphasis (as usual) is placed on points scored.  number of shots taken and shooting percentage should definitely be taken into accounct, not just the amount of points scored. also, what about the quality of defense, taking charges, passing, making other guys better etc. when talking about all conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 29, 2011, 04:20:23 PM


Folks -

Greetings! Hope everyone had a nice Christmas. Welcome back.

Here are a few non-conference games from early 2012 for "Pick-Ems" predictions. They are as follows:

Monday, January 2, 2012:

Swarthmore vs. Shenandoah   (@ Roanoke College Tournament)
Misericordia vs. Franklin And Marshall   (@ Sponaugle Tournament/Mayser Center)
Regis vs. Haverford   (@New York Tournament)

Remember, all picks are due by tip-off. Good Luck and enjoy the games. I will try to post the games for 12/30 sometime tomorrow morning.

Happy New Year. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2011, 04:24:14 PM
Happy New Year from the Landmark Conference board! I got a kick out of this the other day...


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45721958/ns/today-style/t/why-do-europeans-wear-small-us-colleges-logo/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on December 29, 2011, 05:25:10 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2011, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 29, 2011, 04:24:14 PM
Happy New Year from the Landmark Conference board! I got a kick out of this the other day...


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45721958/ns/today-style/t/why-do-europeans-wear-small-us-colleges-logo/

Would Albarelli and Pensiero have had the same epiphany had they stumbled upon sweatshirts featuring Washington & Lee, or Emory & Henry, or Johnson & Wales, or Cincinnati & Lake Erie, or Ft. Wayne, Van Wert & Lima, or Washington, Baltimore & Annapolis? These are vital questions.  ::)

haha, i'm surprised they stumbled upon F&M shirts at a flea market and not in a dumpster where they belong! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 29, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
but typical
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 29, 2011, 08:29:53 PM
12/30 pick

Skidmore over Ursinus (by 5?)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 29, 2011, 08:42:13 PM
Having had the chance to see Skidmore and Ursinus play this year, I think if Ursinus can stay within 20 it will be a good game. Skidmore almost beat #1 Middlebury this year only losing by 5. It would be great if Ursinus could knock them off. I am still hearing about F&M losing to Ithaca College last year. If anyone could update all the game scores this week it would be great! Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 30, 2011, 12:35:11 AM
Dickinson over Medaille. Bigtime win for the Devils and conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 30, 2011, 12:28:04 PM

Folks -

Based on last night's results (and as promised), here are the match-ups for tonight's "Pick-Ems" games:

Friday, December 30, 2011:

Gettysburg vs. Methodist   (@ Lexington Tournament)
Dickinson vs. St. John Fisher   (@ St. John Fisher tournament)
Berry vs. Johns Hopkins   (@ Centre College Tournament)
McDaniel vs. Christopher Newport   (@ Christopher Newport Tourament)
Carthage vs. Washington College   (@ Cal-Lutheran Tournament)
Skidmore vs. Ursinus   (@ Las Vegas Tournament - previously listed)

All picks are due by tip-off time of today's games. Good luck.

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 30, 2011, 12:39:18 PM

Here are my predictions for the "Pick-Ems" games tonight (December 30) and Monday Night (January 2):

December 30:

Skidmore over Ursinus
Gettysburg over Methodist
St. John Fisher over Dickinson (tough call - edge to host)
Johns Hopkins over Berry
Christopher Newport over McDaniel
Carthage over Washington College

January 2:

Shenandoh over Swarthmore
Franklin And Marshal over Misericordia
Haverford over Regis

Bring on the games!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 30, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
Next guesses
December 30:

Skidmore
Gettysburg
Dickinson
Johns Hopkins
Christopher Newport
Carthage

January 2:

Shenandoh
Franklin & Marshall
Haverford

I'm glad you're keeping track of the games, because I'm lost.  Hopefully, I didn't miss any picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on December 30, 2011, 01:56:31 PM
Hey Mulefreak, an FYI, the "precious star player", as you call him, is from Laurys Station , Pa. 20 minutes north of Billy Joels favorite city to visit AND play. Never lived or schooled in Atown even though sometimes listed as such. Someone else should go to school before spouting off himself.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 30, 2011, 03:53:41 PM
Picks for 12/30/2011

Gettysburg over Methodist
St John Fisher
JHU
Christopher Newport
Carthage
Ursinus

1/2/2012

Swarthmore
F&M
Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 30, 2011, 10:57:55 PM
shenandoah
f&m
haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 31, 2011, 10:43:32 AM
Apparent big win for the CC over the vaunted CCIW as Sho'man take out Carthage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 31, 2011, 11:32:09 AM
Abysmal performances by Ursinus in Las Vegas losing big to two very good teams in Ramapo and Skidmore.  Clearly, the Bears were not ready to compete with either.

Ursinus played decent defense---particularly against Skidmore but they were miserable on offense in both games---shooting a collective 36% with 39 turnovers.  No excuses---just lousy performances.

Of note---they are getting no production out of their seniors and very little from their juniors other than Jon Ward----and he did not play well in either game as he let both opponents got into his head.  60-65% of the playing time and over 50% of the point production came from sophomores and freshmen.  You don't win that way.

The Bears have not given up and, we hope, this was a learning experience that they can build on.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on January 02, 2012, 08:54:04 PM
Dips looked... OK... tonight... a little rusty though having no competition in 23 days...
I love the new addition in Alecxih... what a classic Glenn Robinson find... reminds me a thicker Clay Scovill from the Final Four team from Manheim Township (local HS in Lancaster)... 'dude can shoot the rock...'

From Weekly notes on F&M...

New Face: F&M added a player to its roster for the second half of the 2011-12 season. Austin Alecxih comes to Lancaster from Divison I Quinnipiac after spending his freshman year at UNC-Asheville. Alecxih is a Lancaster County native, playing at Penn Manor before finishing up his high school career at Oak Hill Academy. At Oak Hill, Alecxih averaged 11 points and five boards to help lead the team to a 40-1 record. He scored 22 points a game at Penn Manor his junior year with seven boards a contest. His brother, Chas, is a senior defensive tackle at the University of Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 02, 2012, 10:08:31 PM
Looking a little ragged after a long break, F&M defeated Misericordia 68-55.  After a defensive first half, the scoring broke loose in the second half.(25-14/43-41)  Jon Salandra had a career game feasting off the lobs from Milligan.  Salandra scored 18 points and played tenacious defense on Eidhhorst who managed only 11 points.  Greene lead Misericordia scorin with 15 points off most 3-pointers in the second half.  Milligan and Hayk seemed to be especially rusty but the opponent played tight, physical defense on both.  Austin Alecxih, a transfer from D!, played well and appears to have a nice outside shot.  F&M got good play from numerous big men-Hayk, Jon, Ed, and Kevin.  F&M continues to use a deep bench, very unusual for them.  Milligan ended up with 16 points and 9 assists, mostly lobs to the big men.
Hobart's up tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 03, 2012, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on December 30, 2011, 01:56:31 PM
Hey Mulefreak, an FYI, the "precious star player", as you call him, is from Laurys Station , Pa. 20 minutes north of Billy Joels favorite city to visit AND play. Never lived or schooled in Atown even though sometimes listed as such. Someone else should go to school before spouting off himself.

thanks coco, that guy is a typical know-it-all Muhlenberg fan who thinks he has a clue because he picked up a media guide.  Happy new year to you and my fellow Bears fans out there! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 03, 2012, 12:34:14 PM
 Your welcome hooligan, Happy New Year to you and the rest of the guys and gals on here. Lets hope the Bears resume conf play where they left off before the break and not at how they played in Sin City over New Years. The time for one game on one game off will hurt them big time in the second half. Conference is too balanced for that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2012, 12:36:07 PM
1/3/12  Picks
Roanoke over Swarthmore
Frank. & Marsh. over Hobart
Dickinson over Carnegie Mellon
Johns Hopkins over CCNY
New York U. over Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
UC fans--good interview with Ward from Las Vegas.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on January 03, 2012, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 03, 2012, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on December 30, 2011, 01:56:31 PM
Hey Mulefreak, an FYI, the "precious star player", as you call him, is from Laurys Station , Pa. 20 minutes north of Billy Joels favorite city to visit AND play. Never lived or schooled in Atown even though sometimes listed as such. Someone else should go to school before spouting off himself.

thanks coco, that guy is a typical know-it-all Muhlenberg fan who thinks he has a clue because he picked up a media guide.  Happy new year to you and my fellow Bears fans out there!

hooley and cocoh2odad, shame on me for assuming the ursinus roster was correct in listing mr. ward from allentown. if the player's own school can't get it right, how do you expect the rest of us to?

happy new year to all! it's going to be a great one for my mules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
UC fans--good interview with Ward from Las Vegas.

Thanks for calling it good... I personally would call it fair :-).

Here is a link, in case anyone is looking for it: http://www.d3hoops.com/classic/2011-12/ursinus-ward
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 03, 2012, 02:35:07 PM
No shame necessary Mulefreak, just correcting you and your un necessary smug, name calling attitude. That was what I had a problem with. " Precious star player"??. Your standout player, Mr Liddic, as I've commented in the past, seems to be a smart, intense, devoted player and team mate who deserves all the accolades he gets. Don't understand what labeling these young men with such sarcasm and envy accomplishes. Enjoy the second half and what these guys work hard to present each time they step on the floor. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 03, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Thanks Dave D-Mac, your coverage and broadcast of the Vegas tourney and Ursinus was much appreciated by those of us who could'nt tag along to Sin City.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2012, 02:55:32 PM
coco - you are welcome. We all enjoyed being there and getting a chance to see and chat with all the teams, especially Coach Small and John Ward. Also... special and major thank you to Ursinsus' SID, James Wagner, who helped us call games and even run the video camera for some of the interviews (like the one with Ward).

Good luck the rest of the season to Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 03, 2012, 03:01:54 PM
Reserved Seat or Eric, do either of you know if Milligan has an ankle/leg injury? It looked like he was receiving attention from the trainer last night in the second half. I noticed the same thing in a couple of games before the break.

Hobart looked very good - wouldn't be completely shocked to see them knock off the Dips tonight. Good luck to all teams this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 03, 2012, 03:49:17 PM


Folks -

Here is a listing of tonight's "Pick-Ems" games:

Swarthmore vs. Roanoke
Hobart vs. F&M
Dickinson vs. Carnegie-Mellon
CCNY vs. Johns Hopkins
Haverford vs. NYU

Good Luck!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 03, 2012, 03:52:09 PM

Here are my selections for tonight's "Pick-Ems" games:

Roanoke over Swarthmore
F&M over Hobart
Dickinson over Carnegie-Mellon
CCNY over JHU
NYU over Haverford

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 03, 2012, 03:57:16 PM
hey dave any good Vegas stories???  make it to the strip at all?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 03, 2012, 03:58:16 PM

R. W. -

I didn't see what you saw last night with the trainer. However, I wasn't looking for that. I do know, however, that Georgia tweaked his ankle in either the Ursinus or the McDaniel game at home before break. I hadn't heard that it was still giving him trouble.

As to tonight's gqme vs. Hobart, they will certainly be a good test for the Dips. However, I expect the Dips to prevail now that they got rid of the rust from the three-week layoff last night!
I was impressed with the transfer.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 03, 2012, 04:53:20 PM
hopefully the dips dont expend too much energy against Hobart tonight, they have another grueling test against Oneonta in just two days!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on January 03, 2012, 08:40:09 PM
Who went to Vegas?  Dave Mchugh? 

Anyway, nice win for F&M tonight as they show their ranking of 9th in the nation.  Do the Dips win out the rest of the season?  With the lighter schedule, the potential is there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2012, 10:10:03 PM
Great game with Hobart.  Milligan and Gyokchyan shook off the rust from last night and played stellarly on offense.  Hayk ended up with a double-double(26 points/12 rebounds)  Georgio added 29 points/6 rebounds.  Despite early foul problems with Salandra, Porter, and Beckford,  Alecxih, Early, and Henry came off the bench along with Brewer to compensate for their lose.  Hobart's Thompson gave F&M's defense fits as he jitterbugged through the paint for lay-ups or easy passes to open teammates.  Hobart shot 5/14 and F&M 7/17 from three point range.  Foul shooting was poor on both sides(Hobart 14/25 and F&M 10/14.
As UCHooligan 'wisely' stated the grueling game with Oneonta really could be a problem if they look pass them.
Milligan did tweak his ankle earlier in the season, but I, also, didn't see any problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2012, 11:14:23 PM
Hooligan, et al - no really good stories to share. It was very much a business trip for Pat Coleman, Gordon Mann, and myself (with a wonderful assist from James Wagner). I don't think I was outside the hotel/casino/arena from Monday night until Saturday morning when I left. And while I was constantly walked through the casino to and from the arena and my room or meals (and drinks), never laid down a bet - pretty sad.

I could tell you a story about Ursinus... but not sure many would want to hear it :-).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 04, 2012, 12:19:44 AM
to mulefreak...i also agree that calling ward "your precious star player" was uncalled for and better not said. but i must say that coco is one of the people that most enjoys playing games on this board. if he was 18 it would make a bit of sense (not much) but not coming from an adult and father of a decent player and kid. his statement that he feels liddic "deserves all the accolades he gets" is nothing more than him role playing. i gave liddic accolades, saying i thought he was the best big man in the conference, and coco went into a fairly typical (and silly) rant about all the guys on this board who don't know about ball, make grand statements, and probably never played the game. read his posts. they are as ridiculous as they are disrespectful. he places himself (with no knowledge of who he is talking to) in a position of being both a superior player and having superior knowledge of the game. that's an odd thing to say to a complete stranger and at the end of the day, who cares? it's unlikely he was a better player than me or is more knowledgeable about the game. regardless, those distinctions are unimportant. it's funny seeing him monitor someone else's behavior. i choose to look at coco's antics as comedic relief, but it's not easy. enjoy the season...alot of game left.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 04, 2012, 12:07:44 PM
1/4/12 - Men's Basketball picks
Gettysburg over Messiah
Johns Hopkins over Hood

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 04, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
1/4/2012 picks

Gettysburg
JHU
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 04, 2012, 02:06:28 PM

Folks -

Here is a listing of the next sets of "Pick-Ems" games over the next two nights:

Wednesday, January 4, 2012:

Messiah @ Gettysburg
Hood vs. Johns Hopkins  (@ JHU Blue Jay Tournament)

Thursday, January 5, 2012:

Oneonto @ Franklin And Marshall
Swarthmore @ Arcadia

Picks due by tip-off. Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 04, 2012, 02:09:45 PM


Folks -

Here are my predictions for the "Pick-Ems" games that will be played tonight and tomorrow:

January 4

Gettysburg over Messiah
Johns Hopkins over Hood

January 5

Franklin And Marshall over Oneonto
Arcadia over Swarthmore

Good luck to all predictors!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 04, 2012, 02:12:07 PM
Wednesday, January 4, 2012:

Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins

Thursday, January 5, 2012:

Franklin And Marshall
Arcadia
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 04, 2012, 03:58:10 PM
Thank you FM for beating Hobart! As I have said before, I am a northern supporter of the Centennial Conference and tell everyone around here how good the conference is. One of my former players played against Liddic and got his a** handed to him by Liddic. I told him how good he was but I don't think he wanted to listen. I don't think FM will have any problems with Oneonta. I would love to see FM play Skidmore as that would be a great game! And, a DI transfer? Oh great, like they needed any more help!  =)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 04, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
Other picks for the rest of the week:

1/4/2012

Gettysburg over Messiah
JHU over Hood

1/5/2012
F&M over Oneonta
Arcadia over Swarthmore

1/7/2012
Dickinson over Haverford
McDaniel over Muhlenberg in an upset
F&M over Swarthmore in what could be a close one
Ursinus over JHU
Washington College over Gettysburg

1/8/2012
Virginia Wesleyan over Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 05, 2012, 12:54:42 AM
messiah
hood

f&m
arcadia

haverford
muhlenberg
f&m
hopkins
washington

virginia wesleyan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 05, 2012, 03:02:46 PM
i'm a centennial fan and respect certain teams in the conference, but swatdad is way off base in his generalization.  F&M, my Bears, GB earlier in the century have all put teams on the floor that are respected, talented and can hang with upper-echelon D3 programs.  but c'mon some of these programs like Swat and dickinson (save finally last year) have gone through long horrid stretches.  And when was the last time Freak's team did anything?  This is why, in the long run, i see a good run coming for ursinus for years to come.  its not that hard to go from the middle to the top of this league
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 06, 2012, 02:10:44 PM


Folks -

Here are the first half "Pick-Ems" standings through and including the games of December 30, 2011:


NAME            LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE         
oldends                3 – 0   8 – 2   .800
Diplomaniac1   9 – 7   43 – 16   .729
Wild10                0 – 0   17 – 7   .708
D. B. Cooper   8 – 3   45 – 19   .703
Gusthegoose   2 – 1   23 – 12   .657
Reserved Seat   12 – 4   44 – 25   .638
Gabriel                7 – 9   37 – 22   .627
UCHooligan98   0 – 0   13 – 9   .591
centfan                4 – 3   15 – 16   .484

Standings through and including Friday, December 30, 2011

I believe that the above chart includes all of the games and all of the predictions from December 11 through December 30. However, please check your results to be sure that I have made any errors or missed any selections. Let me know if I did and I will be glad to correct and update. The standings are not yet final because I don't yet have UCHooligan's results. I will finalize the standings after I receive them and confirmation that I haven't made any errors.

Belated Happy New Year to all!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 06, 2012, 02:47:10 PM
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 06, 2012, 02:51:42 PM


Fellow Prognosticators -

Welcome Back! The following is a listing of the "Pick-Ems" games involving Centennial Conference teams over the next week or so:

Saturday, January 7, 2012:

Haveford @ Dickinson
Muhlenberg @ McDaniel
Franklin And Marshall @ Swarthmore
Johns Hopkins @ Ursinus
Gettysburg @ Washington

Sunday, January 8, 2012:

Haverford @ Virginia Weslyan

Monday, January 9, 2012:

Gettysburg @ Swarthmore

Tuesday, January 10, 2012:

Johns Hopkins @ Muhlenberg

Thursday, January 12, 2012:

Muhlenberg @ Franklin And Marshall
Washington @ Dickinson
Ursinus @ Gettysburg
Haverford @ McDaniel

Saturday, January 14, 2012:

Johns Hopkins @ Haverford
McDaniel @ Ursinus
Swarthmore @ Dickinson
Gettysburg @ Muhlenberg
Washington @ Franklin And Marshall

The above information was taken directly from the Centennial Conference website. Hopefully, there are no errors. However, let me know if you spot anything that is incorrect or missing and I will correct. These games will count toward the second half standings. Good luck with your predictions!

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 06, 2012, 03:23:23 PM


Folks -

Here are my selections for this weekend's "Pick-Ems" games:

January 7

Dickinson over Haverford (home court edge)
Muhlenberg over McDaniel
Franklin And Marshall over Swarthmore
Johns Hopkins over Ursinus
Washington over Gettysburg

January 8

Virginia Weslyan over Haveford

January 9

Gettysburg over Swarthmore

Enjoy the games and travel safely. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 06, 2012, 03:56:52 PM


Folks -

Greetings once again! This is to be my final planned post of today. We are now off and running again! The following chart shows the first "Pick-Ems" standings of 2012 and the second half. It includes all games involving Centennial Conference teams through last night (January 5).


NAME           LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE         

centfan                7 – 0   7 – 0   1.000
Reserved Seat   9 – 3   9 – 3   .750
Diplomaniac1   8 – 4   8 – 4   .667
Gabriel                4 – 3   4 – 3   .571
D. B. Cooper   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
Gusthegoose   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
oldends                0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
UCHooligan98   0 – 0   0 – 0   .000
Wild10                0 – 0   0 – 0   .000

Standings through games of Thursday, January 5, 2012. (Includes games of January 2, January 3, January 4, and January 5).

Let me know if I have made any errors. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 06, 2012, 10:13:20 PM
Guesses
Saturday, January 7, 2012:
Dickinson
Muhlenberg
Franklin And Marshall
Johns Hopkins
Washington

Sunday, January 8, 2012:
Virginia Weslyan

Monday, January 9, 2012:
Gettysburg

Tuesday, January 10, 2012:
Muhlenberg

Thursday, January 12, 2012:

Franklin And Marshall
Dickinson
Ursinus
Haverford

Saturday, January 14, 2012:
Haverford
Ursinus
Dickinson
Muhlenberg
Franklin And Marshall
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 07, 2012, 09:07:33 AM
Picks Jan. 7

Dickinson
Muhlenberg
F&M
Ursinus
Washington

Jan. 8: Virginia Wesleyan

Jan. 9: G-burg

Jan. 10: Muhls

Jan. 12

F&M
Washington
G-burg
McDaniel

Jan. 14

Haverford
Ursinus
Dickinson
Muhls
F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on January 07, 2012, 04:39:19 PM
Ucholligan where are your picks?  swat dad i was upset that there was not any free food at the garnet fieldhouse .  last year there was a nice spread and hot dogs for sale. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2012, 10:11:08 PM
Disappointing game at Swarthmore.  Not much of a game.  F&M's defense held the Garnet under 35%.  Porter played terrific defense on Gates allowing him few open shots. Offensively, Porter contributed 18 points only sightly behind Hayk's 21. Twenty made foul shots helped keep the score close.  F&M dominated the boards with a 2 to 1 margin.  Early contributed great defense during his playing time and showed he can provide key back up for Jon and Hayk. Beckford got in early foul trouble and was unable to play his usual minutes.  Milligan control the pae of the game without having to score much.  Looking forward to Thursday's game the Mules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 07, 2012, 10:14:44 PM
I think it is only when the kids are at school. Reserved Seat, it was a pleasure meeting you today. You have a very nice team that can go far this year. I really don't see a weakness in your team. I am a big fan of Matt Porter. Very athletic and an incredible defender. I can't believe he didn't get playing time last year. I watched him in warm ups and couldn't believe how athletic he is. However, my mother in law went up to him after the game and told him to let her poor grandson score. He was so incredibly nice to her. He couldn't stop smiling and gave her a hug after they were done talking. A real class act after a really good game. I also want to let you know I think very highly of your coach. My son spent 20-25 minutes with him after the game. He is a really good guy and a better coach. I wish we could have given you a better game but Swat just doesn't have the horses to match up. Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 08, 2012, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: dipphan on January 07, 2012, 04:39:19 PM
Ucholligan where are your picks?  swat dad i was upset that there was not any free food at the garnet fieldhouse .  last year there was a nice spread and hot dogs for sale.

i will continue to use my preseason formula for all conf game picks and track on my own so as to not put you guys through trying to figure it out

Ursinus beats everyone
f&m beats everyone but ursinus
everyone beats swat
everyone beats JHU  except swat
everyone beats wash except jhu and swat
all other games won by home team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 09, 2012, 09:49:01 AM
Picks for the week

Monday 1/9/2012
Swarthmore over Gettysburg---home court win for Swat in an "upset" for Swat Dad

Tuesday 1/10/2012
Muhlenberg over JHU---home court and to much size and strength for JHU

Thursday 1/12/2012
JHU over Swarthmore --- home court
F&M over Muhlenberg --- should be the game of the day
Dickinson over Washington College---should be another tight game but home court rules
Ursinus over Gettysburg---the Bears are getting better and win a battle on the road
McDaniel over Haverford---Green Terror tough at home

Saturday 1/14/2012
Haverford over JHU---evenly matched but home court prevails
Ursinus over McDaniel---home court and the Bears are better than last time
Dickinson over Swarthmore---home court win for the better team
Muhlenberg over Gettysburg---home court and far more experience
F&M over Washington College---no team is tougher at home

Thought for the day-----the Centennial Conference---except for F&M---is well balanced but not very good this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 09, 2012, 11:48:24 AM
my picks
mon
gettysburg

tues
mulhlenberg

thurs
hopkins
f&m
dickinson
gettysburg
haverford

sat
haverford
ursinus
dickinson
muhlenberg
f&m
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on January 09, 2012, 12:40:30 PM
ursinus fans, why is freshman starter phil walker no longer on the uc roster? heard he was supposed to be quite a player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 09, 2012, 06:01:39 PM


Folks -

Here is my pick for the game on Tuesday night, Jaunary 10:

Muhlenberg over Johns Hopkins

Updated standing will be posted shortly. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 09, 2012, 06:16:56 PM


Fellow "Pickers" -

The following are the "Pick-Ems" standings updated through and including Sunday, january 8:


NAME             LAST NIGHT      TO-DATE   PERCENTAGE
         
centfan                5 – 1        12 – 1   .923
D. B. Cooper   5 – 1         5 – 1   .833
Reserved Seat   4 – 2        13 – 5   .722
Diplomaniac1   4 – 2        12 – 6   .667
Gabriel                4 – 2         8 – 5   .615
Gusthegoose   0 – 0         0 – 0   .000
oldends                0 – 0         0 – 0   .000
UCHooligan98   0 – 0         0 – 0   .000
Wild10                0 – 0         0 – 0   .000

Standings through games of Sunday, January 8, 2012. (Includes games of January 7 and January 8).

Kudos to centfan and D. B. Cooper for their 5 - 1 records over the weekend and to centfan for his "shot out of the starting gate" overall! Let me know if I have made any errors or omissions and I will correct.

Otherwise, have a great week! Reagards,

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 09, 2012, 06:18:44 PM

mulefreak02 -

Will you be visiting Mayser Center on Thursday to see your Mules play against the Diplomats?

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 09, 2012, 06:38:25 PM


Swat Dad -

I also was at the Swarthmore game on Saturday. However, I didn't get a chance to seek you out like Reserved Seat did! You folks have one of the best venues in the Conference for basketball - excellent lighting, more comfortable bleacher seats, good climate control, and a nice court!

Thanks for your kind words about Matt Porter. I couldn't agree more. He didn't play more last year because he was a second semester transfer and took awhile to the learn the F&M system. He also had a pretty good group of Seniors ahead of him last year - McNally, Baker, and Tolliver, in addition to the upperclassmen that are there this year. He is very athletic and has a quick first step. With every game he plays, he gains more confidence with his offense and becomes a bigger contributor at that end of the court. I think he really enjoys the challenge of playing defense on the oppenent's top scorer. It is almost like it is second nature to him!

Matt is typical of why I like D III basketball: the players are usually good students and always very competitive on the court. However, they can also shut it down and be polite and respectful gentlemen off of the court as soon as the game is over! It seems to be a common trait that is really good and sorely needed in the world today. It is a shame that more athletes don't act in a similar manner!

Thanks also for your nice words about GRob. You had better be careful though as there are many folks on here who hate him. Saying nice things about Grob might just get you "hooted off of the board"! Nonetheless, we Diplomat fans appreciate your sentiments. His record over 41 years speaks for itself!

Look me up when Swat visits Mayser Center in February. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on January 09, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
Mon 1/9
Gettysburg over Swarthmore
Tues 1/10
Muhlenberg over Johns Hopkins
Thurs 1/12
Johns Hopkins over Swarthmore
Franklin and Marshall over Muhlenberg
Washington College over Dickinson
Gettysburg over Ursinus
McDaniel over Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 10, 2012, 08:05:08 AM
Swat Dad,

Seems like Swat took a major step backwards with the retirement of Coach Wimberly.  Just an observation.  Hope to be back in Centennial Conference land this week to see my Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 10, 2012, 09:01:34 AM
can someone from d3hoops explain why F&M is ranked so high? this has been a down year for the conference and F&M only has one win against anyone else in your poll.  dont fall into the same trap that the AP/USA today do with unbeaten teams, theyre barely a top 25 squad. 

hopefully when the Bears pull the "upset" F&M can head back to low 20's obscurity where it likely belongs.  thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 10, 2012, 10:36:06 AM
diplomaniac,
don't jinx me!!! i was in the cellar not too long ago!
go CC...seems like yet another unpredictable year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 10, 2012, 12:00:19 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 10, 2012, 09:01:34 AM
can someone from d3hoops explain why F&M is ranked so high? this has been a down year for the conference and F&M only has one win against anyone else in your poll.  dont fall into the same trap that the AP/USA today do with unbeaten teams, theyre barely a top 25 squad. 

hopefully when the Bears pull the "upset" F&M can head back to low 20's obscurity where it likely belongs.  thanks.

UC, I think the Dips floated up in the rankings when other teams lost. They should probably in the mid-teens, but it's so hard to tell in D-III. I see F&M losing at least 3 or 4 conference games. The defense looks very good but they need more reliable scoring from people other than Hayk and Milligan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on January 10, 2012, 01:26:44 PM
Although I find UC Hooligan's rants and comments typically amusing, is anyone else getting tired of the constant whining, complainning and obvious jealousy that he possesses towards F&M in every possible facet of life... whether it be the schedule (too weak), the rankings (too high), the European clothing deal (too poor), the coach (too many wins), the team (too complete)... did I miss any F&M topic that UCHooligan hasn't subjected his negative and sarcastic 'pearls of wisdom' upon us all?

Two suggestions...

Apply to F&M and let the chips fall where they may...
http://www.fandm.edu/apply - our Government department is always looking for good debaters!!! As a barrister, you would fit right it...

AND

Read your own college's history... Humility is in your heritage!!! Are you a true Ursinus Bear?
Right from your own website...

The History of Ursinus College
Beginnings
Ursinus College was founded in 1869, as a result of religious debate within the German Reformed Church (one of the Protestant denominations that eventually became the current-day United Church of Christ.) John Henry Augustus Bomberger (1817-1890), a primary founder of Ursinus College and its first president, was a German Reformed pastor in Philadelphia, and later in Trappe, Pa., who supported the denomination's traditional "low church" style of a plain and simple worship. Another Reformed Church faction wanted to make worship more formal.  The high church faction established Franklin & Marshall College.  The low church group, led by Bomberger, founded Ursinus College in the village of Freeland, which later became Collegeville, Pa.

The new institution was named for Zacharias Ursinus, a 16th Century academic and theologian from Heidelberg, Germany, whose Heidelberg Catechism defined the spirit of the low-church philosophy for Bomberger and his friends.  That spirit was egalitarian, unpretentious, humble and frugal and survives to this day on the Ursinus campus.


Can't wait until February 1 in Collegeville...

Keep us all chuckling, UC...



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 10, 2012, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 10, 2012, 09:01:34 AM
can someone from d3hoops explain why F&M is ranked so high? this has been a down year for the conference and F&M only has one win against anyone else in your poll.  dont fall into the same trap that the AP/USA today do with unbeaten teams, theyre barely a top 25 squad. 

hopefully when the Bears pull the "upset" F&M can head back to low 20's obscurity where it likely belongs.  thanks.

As far as I can tell, there are only 2 teams in the top 8 that have played more than 1 game against anyone receiving votes in the poll.  Augustana is 1-1, with an additional loss to a team not receiving votes; and Va. Wesleyan is 2-0 against teams with a total of 3 votes, along with an early loss to a team not receiving votes.  I'm not saying that F&M's schedule is by any means strong, simply pointing out that F&M is not alone among highly-ranked teams in their lack of top-quality opponents.

With polls that start so early in the season, it's pretty much inevitable that undefeated teams who were expected to be good will rise quite high, as it's hard to ever penalize a team who never loses.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 10, 2012, 07:31:30 PM
i have seen virginia wesleyan play this year and they are extremely good...truthfully, they are a D1 mid major team playing in D3. they are alot stronger and deeper than F&M...they are more athletic, quicker, shoot better, play better "D". i am not knocking F&M, but Va Wesleyan is on another level.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2012, 10:00:49 PM
Is John Hopkins for real?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
Virginia Wesleyan is good... but mid-major D1? That might be pushing it. That being said, I would put them up against some of the mid-majors in the Baltimore/DC area and they may win a fair share... though, that isn't saying much for the schools around here :-). VWC is very good and being athletic and quick has always been their bread and butter. And I would agree that VWC is deeper and better than F&M... and I don't think it is close.

I inserted F&M into my bottom three slots this week for the first time on my ballot all season. It came down to the fact I didn't have enough to keep them off anymore, despite my feelings they may be overrated. However, they continue to win which has already proven be wrong.

As for Johns Hopkins... their defense is for real. I stated many times to people that if Hopkins keeps team below 70 points, they will win most of those games. The problem is their offense isn't stellar, thus why their defense needs to shine.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 11, 2012, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: centfan on January 10, 2012, 07:31:30 PM
i am not knocking F&M, but Va Wesleyan is on another level.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
And I would agree that VWC is deeper and better than F&M... and I don't think it is close.

While I agree that VWC is better than F&M, I don't think the gap is quite as wide as you guys make it out to be. The Dips led the Marlins for most of an NCAA second round game on Virginia Wesleyan's home floor last March, and could have won if they shot better from the line. While F&M lost key seniors, this year's squad has not dropped off the way many expected - and has improved defensively. Milligan was the main reason they had a chance to win that game, and he's playing better this year. I think VWC would beat F&M if they played today, but it would be a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2012, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 10, 2012, 09:01:34 AM
can someone from d3hoops explain why F&M is ranked so high? this has been a down year for the conference and F&M only has one win against anyone else in your poll.  dont fall into the same trap that the AP/USA today do with unbeaten teams, theyre barely a top 25 squad. 

hopefully when the Bears pull the "upset" F&M can head back to low 20's obscurity where it likely belongs.  thanks.

Well, I can only speak for myself. And they are not in the Top 10 on my ballot. So I guess the short answer is, I don't know why. If they're that overrated, go beat them, please.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 11, 2012, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2012, 10:00:49 PM
Is John Hopkins for real?

Reserved Seat,

Sure JHU beat Muhlenberg but they lost to Ursinus Saturday 71-55 and none of you think Ursinus is good this year.  A better question is----Does Muhlenberg have some chemistry problems?  Are there enough balls for Liddic, Curry and Killing----and the rest of the team?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 11, 2012, 02:17:38 PM
I don't know about Ursinus 'not' being good, but I've picked them most of the time.  I didn't expect much from John Hopkins after last year and then being picked to finish 9th by the coaches in the preseason poll.  I haven't been picking JHU. You might be right about Muhlenberg, because everyone seems to think highly of them.  I'll get to see them play on Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 11, 2012, 03:49:40 PM
rw
i don't think that F&M can play with virginia wesleyan for 40 minutes this year. i would guess they would lose by 20, if not more.maybe they will meet in the tourney and we will see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 11, 2012, 03:52:11 PM
i haven't seen muhlenberg this year but it does look like the freshman guard has taken alot of shots away from curry, who was a good player and scorer last year. liddic is a special kid and player...senior. it is still early. they have enough weapons to come on strong this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 11, 2012, 04:09:27 PM
Reserved Seat,

Ursinus has not played well enough this season to be judged "good".  But they seem to be improving after a miserable start.  Kevin Small predicted a rough early season given the young players he is using.  Last starting line up was one freshman, three sophomores, and one junior.

I don't know if you noticed or not, Reggie Kamara (the freshman from Cork, Ireland) had 10 points, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks and 4 fouls against JHU in just 22 minutes.  I know you were not thrilled with his play when they played F&M, but this kid is improving and will be an force I think.  He is the best interior defender we have had in a long time albeit he is a project on the offensive end.  The Bears need his toughness.

We will make our way to Gettysburg on Thursday and to Ursinus (vs McDaniel) on Saturday to see an improved Bears team---we hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2012, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on January 11, 2012, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: centfan on January 10, 2012, 07:31:30 PM
i am not knocking F&M, but Va Wesleyan is on another level.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
And I would agree that VWC is deeper and better than F&M... and I don't think it is close.

While I agree that VWC is better than F&M, I don't think the gap is quite as wide as you guys make it out to be. The Dips led the Marlins for most of an NCAA second round game on Virginia Wesleyan's home floor last March, and could have won if they shot better from the line. While F&M lost key seniors, this year's squad has not dropped off the way many expected - and has improved defensively. Milligan was the main reason they had a chance to win that game, and he's playing better this year. I think VWC would beat F&M if they played today, but it would be a game.

F&M might not have fallen off nearly as much as everyone expected... but it isn't like their schedule is that challenging. Their schedule is not that challenging especially in the Centennial as we all know. Their win over SMC is okay... that team not only lost a lot from last year but injuries took out their top returning scorer for the year. The only other win that jumps out at me was Hobart... but Hobart started the season well, but their record may be better than they are.

VWC returned everyone from last year's team... everyone. They are far deeper and if those two teams faced off again this year I don't think it is nearly as close as last year. F&M had very talented size inside last year that contributed to plenty of inside-outside play which is always a challenge. F&M lost that major advantage and while they still have players inside... they are not as talented as in years past... but certainly could be with more playing - but not now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on January 11, 2012, 04:36:00 PM
I think Salisbury University would like to remind everyone that a one-game performance, good or bad, does not really necessarily prove what level one team is on in relation to its opponent ...

The argument really can't just be "how close did F&M play them last year?" or "how much would Va Wes win by this year," but "if the two teams played on a neutral court 10 times, how many games would Va Wes win and how many would F&M win?" 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 11, 2012, 06:17:12 PM


Folks -

Here are my predictions for tomorrow (01/12) night's "Pick-Ems" games:

Franklin And Marshall over Muhlenberg
Dickinson over Washington (tough pick)
Gettysburg over Ursinus
Haverford over McDaniel (tough pick)
Johns Hopkins over Swarthmore

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 11, 2012, 08:55:58 PM
hi sunny
you make a good point, as anyone can beat anyone on any given day if they are in the vicinity of being on the same level.i would say Va Wesleyan would win 8 out of 10 times against F&M this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2012, 08:23:49 AM
Pre-season poll(current standings)
F&M(1)
Muhlenberg(4)
Dickinson(7)
Ursinus(4)
McDaniel(9)
Gettysburg(4)
Haverford(7)
Washington(3)
JHU(2)
Swarthmore(10)

Most of the teams are still bunched but this gives an indication who's off to a good/bad start.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 12, 2012, 04:04:27 PM
heres hoping the Bears get a big win!  Thanks to Pat and Dave for their responses.  this forum is usually overrun with F&M fans and its nice to see the perspective of fans that dont have have blue colored glasses!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
I thought Kamara definitely showed signs of growth while we were in Vegas.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on January 12, 2012, 09:24:05 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 12, 2012, 04:04:27 PM
heres hoping the Bears get a big win!  Thanks to Pat and Dave for their responses.  this forum is usually overrun with F&M fans and its nice to see the perspective of fans that dont have have blue colored glasses!

I agree.  We need more Ursinus Bear fans.  You truly add a great deal to this forum. 

This F&M team is so deep it is unbelievable.  The Bears may not win another game this year.  The CC and beyond should go through Lancaster. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 12, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
tough loss tonight.  i finally had a free moment to watch some of the second half and i like the tenacity the team showed on defense.  team simply lacks a second consistent scorer behind Ward.  Also, i thought the refs did a horrible job, especially on the basket that put the game away for GBurg. Never know what youre going to get from a D3 ref, and in this case the ft advantage decided an otherwise good contest. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2012, 10:19:25 PM
Looks like the Mules have taken a step back from last year.  Killing seems to hurt the team more than help them.  The ball is in his hands too much and the other players just wait for him to shoot.  F&M started with two quick steals in the front court before the Mules ran off a few points to take an early lead, but F&M's defense soon took over even without their top defensive player(Porter) on the bench with 2 quick fouls.  F&M had a balanced scoring attack with Milligan leading the way with 17 followed by Salandra with 15.  Morgan Lee came off the bench to score 14 points in 29 minutes of play after having only played 41 minutes up to this point in the season.  Early added 10 points off the bench.  F&M controlled the boards with a 43 to 29 point advantage.  Curry needs to have more opportunity to get into the flow of the game.  Last year he was very impressed, but he never saw the ball much until the second half when he was trying to throw up desperation shots to get back into the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on January 12, 2012, 11:34:43 PM
i am not concerned at all by this temporary setback for the mules. the talent is there and we have many games to play. decent game for f&m tonight but the mules will return the favor in allentown. malique learned a lot, and things will be much different next time. conference titles are won in late feb, not mid january! i will now let the board return to the usual f&m and ursinus chatter...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on January 13, 2012, 07:48:28 AM
A nice win for the young Bullets last night. They played ok, not great but well enough to get the win. I agree with UCHooligan about the officiating to a degree. I thought Gburg took about 4 charges that all went Ursinus's way. We did get to the line more, but we also were attacking their big men more so than they were. Decent game between to young teams trying to learn and get better.
Mules freak, the board is open to anybody. You can talk Muhlenberg all you want. Who's fault is it that most of the posters are F&M and Bears fans.  Get some friends together and join in. Hopefully it is a good game in Allentown this Saturday!
Go Bullets
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 13, 2012, 02:47:19 PM


Folks -

Here are the updated "Pick-Ems" standings through January 12:

NAME            LAST NIGHT    TO-DATE  PERCENTAGE         

centfan                6 – 1      18 -2         .900
Diplomaniac1   6 – 1      18 – 7         .720
Reserved Seat   4 – 2      17 – 7         .708
D. B. Cooper   3 – 3       8 – 4         .667
Gusthegoose   4 – 3       4 – 3         .571
Gabriel                3 – 4      11 – 9         .550
oldends                0 – 0       0 – 0         .000
UCHooligan98   0 – 0       0 – 0         .000
Wild10                0 – 0       0 – 0         .000

Standings through games of Thursday, January 12, 2012. (Includes games of January 12).

The above standings include the games of January 9, January 10, and January 12. Please review and let me know if any correstions are needed. Kudos to centfan for another great set of picks (6-1) and a gaudy .900 percentage.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 13, 2012, 05:17:59 PM


Folks -

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's (Saturday, January 14) "Pick-Ems" games:

Johns Hopkins over Haverford (just think they are the better team even on the road)
McDaniel over Ursinus (a coin flip - think the Green Terror may be more athletic and deeper)
Dickinson over Swarthmore
Muhlenberg over Gettysburg (rebounds after tough loss to the Diplomats and the "Mule Barn" is tough on visitors)
Franklin And Marshall over Washington (hopefully there is no let-down after big win)

I will post the next group of games either later today or tomorrow. Good luck!

Enjoy the games. Regards to all,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 14, 2012, 04:32:29 PM
What is with Dickinson having live video for the girls game, but not for the guys game? That sucks! A little reverse Title IX?  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
No comments on the big story, yet, huh.

Wash College beats F&M at Mayser...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 14, 2012, 07:13:00 PM
Washington simply played smarter and better today. Reminds me of the shoremen's OT win 2 years ago in Mayser. Dips looked overconfident after the blowout of Muhlenberg.

How did I know dmac would be the first to post today?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2012, 07:15:12 PM
Sorry, Dave, just got home from dinner.  It's only 7:10, give me time to get home.
Washington earned a hard-fought battle with F&M.  Starting with the tip-off, Washington out-hustled and contested every pass.  Washington played as a TEAM with everyone doing their share.  Breslin showed why he should always be in consideration for first team all conference.  Breslin doesn't take any plays off on offense or defense.  The Shoremen caused 19 turnovers to only 10 of their own.  F&M controlled the boards, but had trouble putting lay-ups in. Several times F&M had opportunities for put-backs, but nothing dropped.Washington ruled the threes with 9 for 13 while F&M was 2 for 5.  Washington hit 21 of 27 fouls missing few down the stretch while F&M hit only 18 of 28 and missing numerous shots at the end.  Both teams shot over 45% with the threes making a big difference.  F&M always has trouble with Washington anywhere and McDaniel away.
Milligan lead all scorers with 19 and the rest the team played reasonably offensively, but the defense was not up to past performances..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2012, 07:38:25 PM
No prob, Reserved... just was interested in people's take on the game.

What you wrote makes a lot of sense... Wash is a very good defensive unit this season. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 14, 2012, 11:00:15 PM
hi swat dad,
what it looks like to me in the conference is that most teams do not defend well and on offense they are reliant on one or two guys. that is a bad basketball recipe. we see hopkins, not particularly gifted, beating more talented teams because they defend and play as a team. dickinson did that last year in much the same way and was successful. if you look at dickinson last year and hopkins this year you see  less talented teams getting wins by playing simple and more team oriented basketball. muhlenberg, swat, ursinus all have one  (2 for muhlenberg) scorer and the other guys seem to stand around once they get the ball because they know it's going up. individual scoring is overrated in relation to team basketball. it is not that all teams having their high scorers that is the problem (it is inevitable), it is when it is lopsided and doesn't help  a team win that it becomes a problem. you can't do it by yourself.ball movement is limted as are well executed picks and overall motion. scorers must play "D". the conference is not loaded with talent but more importantly is not loaded with good fundamental basketball play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2012, 02:09:52 AM
Just hope we get some Washington College fans here at some point. That's a growing program that deserves some more attention.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 15, 2012, 04:28:23 PM


Folks -

Here are the listings of the "Pick-Ems" games through the end Of January:

Wednesday, January 18, 2011:

Washington @ Johns Hopkins
McDaniel @ Getteysburg
Swarthmore @ Haverford
Ursinus @ Muhlenberg
Dickinson @ Franklin And Marshall

Saturday, January 21, 2011:

Franklin And Marshall @ McDaniel
Muhlenberg @ Washington
Gettysburg @ Haverford
Ursinus @ Swarthmore
Dickinson @ Johns Hopkins

Monday, January 23, 2011:

Johns Hopkins @ McDaniel
DeSales @ Muhlenberg

Wednesday, January 25, 2011:

Johns Hopkins @ Franklin And Marshall
Gettysburg @ Dickinson
McDaniel @ Swarthmore
Washington @ Ursinus
Haverford @ Muhlenberg

Saturday, January 28, 2011:

Muhlenberg @ Johns Hopkins
Washington @ McDaniel
Swarthmore @ Gettysburg
Haverford @ Franklin And Marshall
Ursinus @ Dickinson

Remember all predictions are due by tip-off time on the days of the games. Good luck!

Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 15, 2012, 04:40:15 PM


Folks -

Here are the update "Pick-Ems" standings including yesterday's games:


NAME         LAST NIGHT   TO-DATE         PERCENTAGE         

centfan                3 – 2   21 – 4           .840
Diplomaniac1   3 – 2   21 – 9           .700
Reserved Seat   3 – 2   20 – 9           .690
D. B. Cooper   3 – 2   11 – 6           .647
Gusthegoose   0 – 0   4 – 3           .571
Gabriel                3 – 2   14 – 11           .560
oldends                0 – 0   0 – 0           .000
UCHooligan98   0 – 0   0 – 0           .000
Wild10                0 – 0   0 – 0           .000

Standings through games of Sunday, January 15, 2012. (Includes games of January 14).

Please double-check and make sure no corrections are needed. Nothing really changes since we were all 3 - 2. Enjoy the games.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 15, 2012, 08:08:10 PM
maybe if glenn didnt keep his players on the court through pretty much the entire blowout of muhlenburg they wouldve been rested enough to beat washington. . . . .

Good win for Ursinus, Go Bears!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2012, 10:09:09 PM
uchooligan-What do you consider most of the game?
Actual minutes
STARTERS
Hayk Gyokchyan      27   
Matt Porter             10
Brandon Beckford    17
Georgio Milligan       33   
Jon Salandra          26 
RESERVES
Brett McCormick             3
Terrel Phelps             1
Ed Early                   18   
Nick Mraz                     1
Max Brewer             9
Kevin Henry             5
Dave Balderston             4
Morgan Lee                   29
Austin Alecxih           17
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 15, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
Wednesday, January 18, 2011:
Johns Hopkins
Getteysburg
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Franklin And Marshall

Saturday, January 21, 2011:
Franklin And Marshall
Muhlenberg
Haverford
Ursinus
Johns Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 16, 2012, 12:32:00 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2012, 10:09:09 PM
uchooligan-What do you consider most of the game?
Actual minutes
STARTERS
Hayk Gyokchyan      27   
Matt Porter             10
Brandon Beckford    17
Georgio Milligan       33   
Jon Salandra          26 
RESERVES
Brett McCormick             3
Terrel Phelps             1
Ed Early                   18   
Nick Mraz                     1
Max Brewer             9
Kevin Henry             5
Dave Balderston             4
Morgan Lee                   29
Austin Alecxih           17

i flicked to the game while i was watcing end of Bears that night and saw milligan and hayk still in at 5 minute mark up almost 30.  thats what i consider most of the game
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 16, 2012, 10:49:56 AM
The Ursinus/McDaniel game on Saturday can only be described as ugly---but a good win for the Bears.  McDaniel came out ready to mug anyone and everyone and the Bears responded---sometimes wisely---sometimes not.  McDaniel had 31 fouls and 19 turnovers and the Bears 25 fouls and 17 turnovers.  Officiating was very poor---constant whistles---lots of traveling calls.  The game took forever to play. But a win is a win. My man Reggie Kamara came through big against McDaniel.  He is a big guy and gives the Bears toughness.

The Bears needed the win to stay in the hunt.  The losses to Swat at home and to Gettysburg on Thursday may come back to haunt them.  They desperately need another wing scorer to take pressure off the post.  Against Getty they scored only 3 points in the last 7 minutes.  This is not the usual Ursinus offense.  They can only get better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2012, 09:31:52 PM
Mugging is McDaniel's style.  Was the game at Westminister?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 17, 2012, 08:33:19 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2012, 09:31:52 PM
Mugging is McDaniel's style.  Was the game at Westminister?

Reserved Seat,

No, the game was at Ursinus.  Will you travel to the F&M/Ursinus game on Feb 1?  I plan to be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 17, 2012, 09:56:56 AM
Picks for the week

Wednesday, 1/18
JHU over WC
Gettysburg over McDaniel
Haverford over Swat
Muhlenberg over Ursinus
F&M over Dickinson

Saturday, 1/21
F&M over McDaniel
Washington College over Muhlenberg
Haverford over Gettysburg
Ursinus over Swat
JHU over Dickinson

Monday, 1/23
McDaniel over JHU
Muhlenberg over DeSales
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2012, 10:34:38 AM
Gabriel, as of now I plan on being at Ursinus on the 1st.  Over the last three years, my attendance has been 72 out of 76 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 17, 2012, 10:35:01 AM
Picks:
1/18
JHU
Gburg
Haverford
Muhls
F&M

1/21
McDaniel (Sky high to physically abuse poor shooting Dips)
Washington
Haverford
Ursinus
JHU

1/23
JHU (Empty, Terror have nothing left for Jays)
Muhls
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 17, 2012, 12:03:04 PM
Looking at stats, looks like a close race between Ward and Liddic for POY honors.  Tomorrow's game could go a long way to deciding it.  MuleFreak, you going?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2012, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2012, 10:34:38 AM
Gabriel, as of now I plan on being at Ursinus on the 1st. Over the last three years, my attendance has been 72 out of 76 games.

Your posting handle is well chosen, then!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2012, 01:09:06 PM
Wednesday, January 18, 2011:
Johns Hopkins(haven't seen JHU play yet, could be close
Gettysburg
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Franklin And Marshall

Saturday, January 21, 2011:
Franklin And Marshall
Washington
Haverford
Ursinus
Johns Hopkins

Monday, January 23, 2011:
McDaniel
DeSales

Wednesday, January 25, 2011:
Franklin And Marshall
Dickinson
McDaniel
Ursinus
Muhlenberg

Saturday, January 28, 2011:
Johns Hopkins
Washington
Gettysburg
Franklin And Marshall
Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 17, 2012, 02:18:58 PM
uc hooligan,
in terms of the liddic vs ward question, i think liddic is clearly more complete. he leads the conference in scoring but ward is right behind him so that is a wash. ward has a better shooting percentage but in truth all i have ever seen him shoot is layups (and tons of fouls shots). rebounding is where liddic really dominates ward. he averages over 12 (leads conference)and ward is over 5
(liddic leads in both offensive and defensive rebounds). ward's weakness is that he doesn't rebound the ball. liddic is 6'5 and leads the conference and ward is 6'10 and is not one of the top 10 rebounders. in terms of POY, i think it is much more between liddic and milligan at this point but things can change dependent on who starts (keeps) winning and who is responsible for that..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 17, 2012, 02:22:13 PM

Folks -

Here are my selections for tomorrow (Wednesday, January 18) evening's "Pick-Ems" games:

Johns Hopkins over Washington
Gettysburg over McDaniel
Haverford over Swarthmore
Muhlenberg over Ursinus
Frankklin And Marshall over Dickinson

I think several contests will be very close. It looks like I have taken all of the home teams!

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on January 17, 2012, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 17, 2012, 12:03:04 PM
Looking at stats, looks like a close race between Ward and Liddic for POY honors.  Tomorrow's game could go a long way to deciding it.  MuleFreak, you going?

hooligan, of course i'll be there. watching the mules beat ursinus is one of my activities, another being watching the mules beat f&m (which will happen on feb. 4 in allentown). liddic will win the POY race going away over jon ward. milligan won't even be in the discussion when f&m fades late in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 17, 2012, 05:07:58 PM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on January 17, 2012, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 17, 2012, 12:03:04 PM
Looking at stats, looks like a close race between Ward and Liddic for POY honors.  Tomorrow's game could go a long way to deciding it.  MuleFreak, you going?

hooligan, of course i'll be there. watching the mules beat ursinus is one of my activities, another being watching the mules beat f&m (which will happen on feb. 4 in allentown). liddic will win the POY race going away over jon ward. milligan won't even be in the discussion when f&m fades late in the season.

haha, we'll see about that!  this could be a fun clash between these two up and comers.  I agree on milligan, he's a fine player but he has so much help on that team it would be a shame for him to get the award over guys who are forced to carry their team. 

because of my work schedule, this might be the one game i can get to.  If, and its a big if, a deposition i have goes well tomorrow morning i should be able to sneak out of my office (northern NJ) and make the trek on 78! Hopefully the boys perform well for the traveling fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on January 17, 2012, 10:12:04 PM
Just going by last years POY winner, Ward will have to really turn the team around and make it to the CC finals at least. The reason I say that is because last year Andrew Powers was in the top tier in almost all categories. Also, he led his team to the playoffs while losing three teammates after first semester, of which they accounted for about 30 points a game. In my opinion, he had one of the most impressive seasons in leading that team to the playoffs that I have seen in a long time. BUT, the bullets didn't make it to the finals and Milligan won it. I am certainly not saying he didn't have the stats to deserve it, he had a great season. He also had two other guys that had well over 1000 points! My point is this, the POY doesn't always go to who "carries" their team. If Ward can get them to the playoffs and into the finals, he would have a shot. This somewhat goes for Liddic too. If F&M wins the championship it would be hard not to give it to Milligan. He is so good and smooth. He handles pressure well and just seems very confident. They did lose a lot off of last years team, sure they still have good players, but without him they are not sitting with only one loss. Just my opinion, I am sure some will disagree.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 18, 2012, 10:42:40 AM
i have updated my results and i am 22-17 based on my formula (only picking conference games).

I have decided to tweak my preseason formula.  No longer can i discount the great work of Hopkins and Wash, and I over estimated McDaniel.  thus, my formula now looks as follows:

Ursinus beats all
F&M beats all but ursinus
Everyone beats Swarthmore
Everyone beats McDaniel except Swarthmore
All other games won by home team

thanks and best wishes to all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on January 18, 2012, 01:37:24 PM
Washington College over Johns Hopkins
Gettysburg over McDaniel
Haverford over Swarthmore
Ursinus over Muhlenberg
Franklin and Marshall over Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2012, 10:39:54 PM
Tight game at F&M.  Dickinson didn't show the tenacity of Washington, but they tried to expose F&M's Achilles' heels.
The Red Devils packed the paint challenging F&M to shoot 3's to win.  Unfortunately, F&M only shot 2 of 9, while the Devils shot 7 of 15 from behind the arc.  F&M shot only 15 of 23 from the foul line, but fortunately Beckford hit 4 straight in the final minute.  Wixted lead the Devils with 20 points and appears to be a force for the next few years.  Honig drained another 18 for the Devils.  With the Devils packing the paint, Salandra and Gyokchyan had difficult getting open shots.
Hayk forced numerous and had little success.  Salandra had some early success with lobs from Milligan.  Milligan lead all scorers with 21 points.  Dickinson hit a long distance three at the end of each quarter.  Nevertheless, F&M held off Dickinson 65-62.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 19, 2012, 01:17:49 AM
 could anyone who was at ursinus/muhlenberg fill me in on liddic vs ward? thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2012, 08:22:05 AM
Quote from: centfan on January 19, 2012, 01:17:49 AM
could anyone who was at ursinus/muhlenberg fill me in on liddic vs ward? thanks

Centfan,

The Bears approach is Ursinus vs Muhlenberg---team play not individual battles.  The Bears won an ugly game on the road. Muhlenberg has always been a tough place to play and win so hats off to the Bears.  They were down by 11 at the half but battled back to win 63-61.  Congrats to Matt Donahue for his 15 points off the bench. 

Ursinus has had a problem at the line all season and continued the futility in this game shooting only 8 for 15 from the line.  They make it hard on themselves.  Kamara had another solid 11 rebound game together with two blocks. He played great defense and his offense is getting better each game.

Regarding POY, there are still 9 games to play but, at this point, I say it has to be Milligan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 19, 2012, 09:18:46 AM
What a great game last night in Allentown.  I was fortunuate enough to make the trip for my first Division III basketball game in about 7 years, and was rewarded with at great comeback.  Like i suspected through reading up on the team, the Bears really seem to be coming into their own as the season progresses (what you expect from a young team, especially with the bench effort). 

Perhaps secondary to the Bears win, i met up with MuleFreak and thanks to the win he had to buy the first round at the old Rookies (sadly its called Roosevelts now).  with F&M struggling, this conference is wide open for these two young teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on January 19, 2012, 02:22:25 PM
UC:
Got to hand it to you... your Bears stormed back to take the Mules last night... great win and tough loss for the 'Berg... I do applaud the camaraderie between rival fans - you and the MuleFreak... Maybe if, and I do mean if, the Centennial championships come back to Mayser next month AND if the Bears can get there, we can get you over the IHB which is on the ground floor of one of our dorms and wager some Amish brews!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on January 19, 2012, 09:38:37 PM
decent win for ursinus last night, but i'm still not too concerned...this conference is up for grabs. in a few weeks, you can bet the mules will have something to say about who goes dancing. i still think liddic is POY, with my man malique a very strong candidate to sweep the award for the next three years.

nice to meet you hooligan, it must have been hard for you to visit the "slums" of allentown! at least we were able to find common ground in our hatred of f&m and the big dog himself, coach glenn. oftdip, i'd love to take you up on that Amish beer but i don't think the playoffs will be in lancaster this year - the dips are going to fade fast!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 20, 2012, 09:57:26 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on January 19, 2012, 09:38:37 PM
decent win for ursinus last night, but i'm still not too concerned...this conference is up for grabs. in a few weeks, you can bet the mules will have something to say about who goes dancing. i still think liddic is POY, with my man malique a very strong candidate to sweep the award for the next three years.

nice to meet you hooligan, it must have been hard for you to visit the "slums" of allentown! at least we were able to find common ground in our hatred of f&m and the big dog himself, coach glenn. oftdip, i'd love to take you up on that Amish beer but i don't think the playoffs will be in lancaster this year - the dips are going to fade fast!

nice to meet you as well Mule.  Yeah from what i've been hearing that guy hasnt changed a bit since i was going to games years ago!  you'd think the ranting and raving act would get old after a while. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 20, 2012, 10:04:39 AM
thanks, gabriel, for the recap of the mules/bears game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 20, 2012, 02:02:05 PM

Folks -

Here are my "Pick-Ems" selections for tomorrow's games:

Franklin And Marshall over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Washington (Mules rebound after tough loss)
Haverford over Gettysburg  (close game - edge to home team)
Ursinus over Swarthmore
Johns Hopkins over Dickinson (should be a close game)

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 20, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
my picks for sat:
f&m
muhlenberg
haverford
ursinus
dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on January 21, 2012, 02:11:25 PM
Franklin and Marshall over McDaniel
Washington College over Muhlenberg
Gettysburg over Haverford
Ursinus over Swarthmore
Dickinson over Johns Hopkins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 21, 2012, 06:55:19 PM
DEFENSE!  F&M played incredible defense for the first half holding McDaniel to 11 points to take a 22 point lead into the half.  Despite both big men being in foul trouble, Early and Baldeston(18 minutes) provided key defense.  Porter scored early and ended up with 15 points to lead the scoring.  Beckford slashed his way to 12 points with Milligan contributing 10.  Murray-Kemp lead with 13 points McDaniel hitting several threes.  F&M controlled the boards 30 to 18.  Threes were limited with F&M 4 of 8 and McDaniel 4 of 9.  Foul was F&M 18 of 25 and McDaniel 14 of 22.  The subs played 80 minutes compared to 120 for the starters.  The second half was much more physical with a lot of mugging going on under the basket.  The teams pretty much just match baskets during the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 23, 2012, 10:45:20 AM

Folks -

Here are my selections for tonight's "Pick-Ems" games:

Johns Hopkins over McDaniel
DeSales over Muhlenberg

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 23, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
In the statistics section of the Centennial Conference web site, Jon Ward has been listed as a Senior all season long.  He is not, he is a junior.  Perhaps the Commish reads this and will correct the error.  Go Bears! Go Patriots!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2012, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 23, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
In the statistics section of the Centennial Conference web site, Jon Ward has been listed as a Senior all season long.  He is not, he is a junior.  Perhaps the Commish reads this and will correct the error.  Go Bears! Go Patriots!

That comes from the team's roster file.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on January 23, 2012, 01:22:54 PM
Milligan should be, and more then likely will be the POY. With that said, Kevin Breslin is also having a POY type season. His scoring is down from last year but his rebounding, assists, and steals numbers are all up from last year and the turnovers are down. Breslin has made countless plays for the Shoremen at the end of games that have allowed them to go 7-2 in games away from Cain and 6-1 in games decided by 5 points or less. He is a complete player, who plays on both ends of the court. At F&M, in the first half Breslin played great defense and kept the Shoremen in it and in the second half took over on the offensive end and upset F&M for their only defeat of the year. The Shoremen are a great team this season and no one individual deserves all the credit for their success, but Breslin is one of, if the not the main reason why the Shoremen are in contention this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 23, 2012, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2012, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 23, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
In the statistics section of the Centennial Conference web site, Jon Ward has been listed as a Senior all season long.  He is not, he is a junior.  Perhaps the Commish reads this and will correct the error.  Go Bears! Go Patriots!

That comes from the team's roster file.

As per the roster, he is listed as a Junior.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2012, 04:23:27 PM
Sorry -- technical stuff to be sure but the statcrew roster is different from the roster file on the site with hometowns and such.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2012, 04:26:52 PM
Actually, just realized I have access to that file as well. But it's already been fixed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CainCrazy#1 on January 23, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
After big wins against F&M, Johns Hopkins and Muhlenburg in the past 2 weeks, I think its time for people to start talking about them as contenders for the Conference championship this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 23, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
Picks

1/25

F&M (low scoring defensive tussle over Jays)
Dickinson (home team)
SWAT (due for a win, McDaniel on road is beatable)
Washington (Bears contemplate early hibernation against hot media darling)
Muhls (tough call,can't figure out home squad, they seem capable of losing to teams with less talent)

1/28

Muhls (now pull off road upset in Charm city)
McDaniel (pulls upset in virtual elimination game)
G-burg (handles SWAT)
Dips (edge Fords in low scoring scrum)
Ursinus (wakes up in time to broil Devils)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 24, 2012, 10:08:53 AM
Picks

Weds, 1/25/2012
F&M over JHU----good contest but home court rules
Dickinson over Gettysburg--homecourt
Swat over McDaniel---Swat is due
Ursinus over Washington College---tough game for both but home court the difference
Muhlenberg over Haverford---hard to figure Muhls but they should prevail over Fords

Saturday 1/28/2012
JHU over Muhlenberg---home court
Washington College over McDaniel---on the road but WC is just better
Gettysburg over Swat--Swat's winning streak ends at one
F&M over Haverford---Dips too tough at home.  Do they ever play road games?
Ursinus over Dickinson---tough call---Bears will control Wixted with Kamara/Janowski duo
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 24, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2012, 04:26:52 PM
Actually, just realized I have access to that file as well. But it's already been fixed.

Centennial Conference statistics site is still wrong.  Jon Ward is a junior.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2012, 11:48:17 AM
This is what I read.

41    Jon Ward       Jr    F    17    17    33.3    5.5-8.7    63.5    0.0-0.0    -    6.5-8.9    73.5    17.6
http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/teams/ursinus?view=lineup
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 24, 2012, 12:39:13 PM
http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/Stats/confonly.htm

Pat,

Scroll down to individual stats and Jon is listed in many categories as a Jr.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2012, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 24, 2012, 12:39:13 PM
http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/Stats/confonly.htm

Pat,

Scroll down to individual stats and Jon is listed in many categories as a Jr.

You guys are looking at two different display options for stats that are pulled from two different places (though the stats should be the same!!).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 24, 2012, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 24, 2012, 12:39:13 PM
http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/Stats/confonly.htm

Pat,

Scroll down to individual stats and Jon is listed in many categories as a Jr.

Sorry, I mean Sr not Jr.  Pat, I don't think D3 hoops is responsible for the Centennial Conference stats anyway which I why I suggested that the Commish might make the correction
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2012, 05:25:24 PM
Right, but because both run on PrestoSports, I did have access to change that.

That doesn't change a static HTML page. That's drawing from a different roster file, kept on someone's computer somewhere and not on the Presto Network.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 24, 2012, 09:09:31 PM
F&M over JHU
Dickinson over Gettysburg
McDaniel over Swat
Ursinus over Washington College
Haverford over Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on January 25, 2012, 12:02:30 PM
Franklin and Marshall over Johns Hopkins
Gettysburg over Dickinson
McDaniel over Swarthmore
Washington College over Ursinus
Haverford over Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 25, 2012, 03:53:13 PM

Folks -

Here are my predictions for tonight's (1/25) "Pick-Ems" games:

Franklin And Marshall over Johns Hopkins
Dickinson over Gettysburg (toss-up to home team)
Swarthmore over McDaniel (Garnet is due for a win)
Washington over Ursinus
Muhlenberg over Haverford (it is at the "Mule Barn")

I will be posting updated standings later this week. Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 25, 2012, 06:05:03 PM
eric

my record under my revised formula is 28-22 and my picks for tonight under the formula are F&M Dickinson McDaniel Ursinus Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2012, 10:24:19 PM
Another terrific defensive game by F&M.  Hopkins was held to under 20 for the first half.  The scored ended 65-49 with Mobbs leading Hopkins with 5 points. Salandra lead F&M's scoring with 24 points on 12 of 13 shooting.  Milligan added 13 and Gyokchyan 12.  Few fouls were called.  McCary must have set some kind of record.  With all his physical play (pushing shoving, holding), he wasn't called for one foul.  F&M controlled the boards with a 42 to 20 advantage.  There were few threes taken.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 25, 2012, 10:31:33 PM
F&M seems to really struggle once they feel comfortable with the lead in a game.  From 2:32 left in the 1st half (when Milligan hit a 3 to take a 33-10 lead) until 12:24 left in the 2nd half (when Hajj hit a 3 to cut it to 41-27), F&M turned the ball over 7 times and was 4 for 11 from the field (3 layups and a dunk, all from Salandra).  Johns Hopkins did not have a defensive rebound during that span, and was thoroughly dominated on the defensive boards the whole night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 26, 2012, 11:57:31 AM
I don't think there is any doubt that Washington College is the second best team in the CC right now.  Also, Kevin Breslin needs to be considered as POY.  He played a terrific game against Ursinus last night scoring almost half of WC's points----36 of 73.  The Bears had no one who could guard him.  He's too quick for a big man and too big for smaller guards.  A real good player who is rising to the challenge.

Poor defense on Breslin and 25 turnovers cost them the game.  Ursinus has been a turnover machine for the past three years and they cannot get out of the rut.  15 turnovers came from their big men---Ward, Kamara and Janowski with five turnovers each.  6 turnovers came from point guard Jesse Krasna---not all that unusual given WC's pressure defense.

Ursinus is missing a "go to" perimeter scorer as they have trouble closing out games.  Where are Shattuck, Noonan, Hilton & Cousart?

The only positives---team rebounding---Bears out rebounded WC 45 to 30 led by Reggie Kamara with 17 boards.  Ursinus needs to drastically reduced turnovers and get more scoring out of their 2 & 3 if they are to be a factor down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 26, 2012, 12:04:29 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 26, 2012, 11:57:31 AM
I don't think there is any doubt that Washington College is the second best team in the CC right now.  Also, Kevin Breslin needs to be considered as POY.  He played a terrific game against Ursinus last night scoring almost half of WC's points----36 of 73.  The Bears had no one who could guard him.  He's too quick for a big man and too big for smaller guards.  A real good player who is rising to the challenge.

Poor defense on Breslin and 25 turnovers cost them the game.  Ursinus has been a turnover machine for the past three years and they cannot get out of the rut.  15 turnovers came from their big men---Ward, Kamara and Janowski with five turnovers each.  6 turnovers came from point guard Jesse Krasna---not all that unusual given WC's pressure defense.

Ursinus is missing a "go to" perimeter scorer as they have trouble closing out games.  Where are Shattuck, Noonan, Hilton & Cousart?

The only positives---team rebounding---Bears out rebounded WC 45 to 30 led by Reggie Kamara with 17 boards.  Ursinus needs to drastically reduced turnovers and get more scoring out of their 2 & 3 if they are to be a factor down the stretch.

Well said Gabe.  The POY should be the closest in years, although we all know the F&M bias will probably slant it towards Milligan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
Washington is definitely playing well.  Breslin is an all-out hustling player.
F&M bias?  Don't the coaches pick the POY?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2012, 12:22:29 PM
Bias(last 10 years POY)
year             team of POY
10-11            F&M
9-10              F&M
8-9               Gettysburg
7-8               Ursinus
6-7               Ursinus
5-6               Ursinus
4-5               Ursinus
3-4               Ursinus
2-3               Ursinus
1-2               Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on January 26, 2012, 12:48:38 PM
Thank you RS for the history... UC is just on another Bear hangover after the loss... he should just 'take two and call us next season' when the Bears will be and should be back in form...

Breslin is the real deal and will be one of the major factors in the CC playoffs this year... Liddic, Milligan and Breslin are the POY front-runners, obviously... Liddic just has too much youth around him this year (would be great to see the 'berg with Liddic and their frosh turned sophs next year... just not gonna happen...) Milligan is probably the front runner at the moment because of F&M's record and ranking - his away games at UC, 'Berg and JHU might be his biggest tests...his overall numbers are incredibly impressive and he is certainly making Salandra, Porter and Hayk better for the future... Breslin is a big time gamer and has no fear at the moment... he has covered Georgio for four years now and vice versa - they are like teammates they know each other so well by now... The road to he NCAAs is still through Mayser IMHO, and that will be a heck of a weekend of D3 hoops with F&M, WC and whomever can get on the next two week run...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 26, 2012, 03:03:55 PM
First, please pardon me, the rest of you Centennial Conference fans, this is a very late response to CentFan and his rants about my posts, and motives of them. (reply #3640 Jan 4th,) It's very simple centfan, everyone on this site is in fact free and able to read the posts and history of anyone on here. I invite anyone to read mine.And, if you did in fact, as you say, read mine and had any kind of basic understanding of the english language your conclusions are puzzling, surely aren't factual, and seem to be simply stated to fit your silly, self indulgent response. Just one example is my comment on Mr. Liddic as a player which you decided to paraphrase. My complete statements on him you can find in a few posts, Oct 21st post,the Nov.8th post and the Jan.3rd post.  In your current response, again, you resort to, first, this amateur psycho analyzation of my motives and mindset when posting. Statements including, "Role playing", ridiculous, disrespectful". Then proceed to say I "place myself,(with no knowledge of who I am talking to), in a position of being both a superior player and having superior knowledge of the game",( your envious interpretation I guess) . Then you finish with this gem, speaking about me again, "It's unlikely he was a better player than I, (centfan), or is more knowledgeable about the game, regardless, those distinctions are unimportant". Unimportant!!! Obviously not to you or you would'nt have made this statement !!! Just who is it Centfan that I am talking to, since you brought it up? Someone with some major insecurities at the very least thats for sure. If anyone would read all my posts its pretty simple to figure out my issues with this site and some of those that contribute on it. In closing, if it would satisfy your curiosity and you would like to personally compare athletic careers, as it seems you'd like to, I'd be very happy to speak with you off this site as to not bore the rest of the masses here. As I said in a previous response to your posts, with no respose from you afterwards, name calling and personal attacks are usually the road one takes who has no legitimate response to something. Finally I am very pleased I bring laughter to your life, it's very therapuetic. Sounds like it would indeed be beneficial for you. Now to my main point. I agree with some of the posts speaking about Mr. Breslin as a part of the conversation as candidate for POY. Without him last night Washington does not win that game even with the Bears having 28 turnovers, (someone got that number wrong). The only positive for our Bears last night was with just under 2 minutes to go, and their 28 turnovers, it was still a one possession game. You hope they learn from this and knowing Coach Small they will. Last is to state my utter disgust and disappointment at the turnout at the Bears home court last night by the student body. Here you have a game in the middle of the week against the second place team in the conference whom you are right behind in the standings and you have a dozen or so students in the stands supporting these guys. Absolutely no excuse for this I feell! It's a real shame for the players who work their rear ends off while maintaining the all important academics. All I heard about Ursinus prior to starting to come to "home" games was this home court advantage the Bears have because of the student body support and how opposing teams dreaded coming here to play because of the "Helfferich Hooligans". Don't see that advantage at all and really not sure why this advantage seems to be lost. Don't know if it's because the powers that be are not promoting the games, the students just don't care or some of both. All I know is these guys and gals at Ursinus deserve to be better supported and someone with authority should take that personally. Enjoy the home stretch all, looks like fun for us basketball junkies.     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 26, 2012, 03:35:02 PM
Very Well Said Coco!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2012, 04:13:12 PM
I agree about student support.  Ursinus was one of the worst crowds to play in front of.  Glad to hear they may not be there on the 1st.  F&M has traditional had poor student body support, but has a solid and loyal fan base of alumni and  community.  Washington usually has a vocal following.  Fortunately F&M played them during their break this year.  Gettysburg had a large following in past years, but it was dead this year. McDaniel had few fans and Hopkins seems to never have many fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 26, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
Reserved, there is a lot of dislike within the Ursinus community for F&M. I'm sure the students will be there that night. Maybe it won't be like the 2003 title game (an amazing turnout by both schools) but I'm expecting a better atmosphere than your typical Wednesday night game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on January 26, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
F&M season attendance stats -
ATTENDANCE SUMMARY         GAMES   TOTALS  AVG/GAME
  HOME....................               12       13448      1121
  AWAY....................                6        1598       266
  NEUTRAL.................               0           0           0
  TOTAL...................               18       15046      836


Home court advantage does help... WC and their crew traveled well and were very vocal at Mayser in their win...

I feel for you guys at UC...Free admission, great hoops, no fans... that's a shame... F&M new prez is from Georgetown and a big hoopster fan - it does help to get support from the campus leaders
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 26, 2012, 11:36:48 PM
dear coco,
thanks for the lengthy, thorough, and thoughtful response.
in the spirit of the joy of competition and love of the game, i propose that we hire an impartial ref and play. we can share the cost 50/50. without a ref, it makes it possible for too many fouls to be called. how about one on one fullcourt to 20 counting by one's? (i plan on pressing you baseline to baseline.) give me some possible dates and locations. maybe we can do it as a fundraiser for an agreed upon cause, sell t-shirts etc.!!
next couple of weeks should be the typical fight in the conference for 3rd,4th and 5th place in order to make the playoffs. good luck to everybody!!!
all best,
centfan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 27, 2012, 09:51:52 AM

Folks -

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's (Saturday, January 28) "Pick-Ems Games":

Muhlenberg over Johns Hopkins (tough call just think that the Mules have more than the Jays)
Washington over McDaniel (Shoremen clearly the better team)
Gettysburg over Swarthmore
Franklin And Marshall over Haverford
Dickinson over Ursinus (home court edge)

Good luck to all! Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 27, 2012, 02:36:07 PM

Does anyone know when the NCAA's first regional rankings of the season will be released? I thought it was about this time last year when they first appeared. Thanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 27, 2012, 02:51:55 PM


Folks -

The following is a listing of the Centennial Conference "Pick-Ems" games over the next two weeks through the middle of February:

Wednesday, February 1, 2012:

Franklin And Marshall @ Ursinus
Haverford @ Washington College
Johns Hopkins @ Gettysburg
Dickinson @ McDaniel
Swarthmore @ Muhlenberg

Saturday, February 4, 2012:

Gettysburg @ Ursinus
McDaniel @ haverford
Johns Hopkins @ Swarthmore
Dickinson @ Washington College
Franklin And Marshall @ Muhlenberg

Wednesday, February 8, 2012:

McDaniel @ Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg @ Dickinson
Washington College @ Swarthmore
Gettysburg @ Franklin And Marshall
Haverford @ Ursinus

Saturday, February 11, 2012:

Dickinson @ Haverford
Washington College @ Gettysburg
Ursinus @ Johns Hopkins
McDaniel @ Muhlenberg
Swarthmore @ Franklin And Marshall

Please remember that all picks are due by tip-off time and the days of the respective games. Good Luck!

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 27, 2012, 03:02:16 PM
O.K. Centfan, I'll come down to your level ONE last time! While you are at it with this juvenile response, how's this? How about we meet at the flag pole after school and settle this, or maybe pistols at 50 paces, at sun up,at the OK Corral. I'll stay with this juvenile mind set since its what you seem to grasp best, and lastly state this. My educated guess is the only sport you participated in was maybe dodge ball during gym class and I bet that nice big red rubber ball made a great THUD sound each time it bounced off your head, the easy target that you probably were! In closing, please don't spend all your time in Fantasyland, though I do understand reality can be a bitch for some. Enjoy the weekend slate all! Go Bears!!   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 27, 2012, 03:38:08 PM

Fellow "Predictors" -

As promised, I am finally and at long last providing you with updated standings for our "Pick-Em Games" contest effort. They are as listed below:

NAME              RECENT   TO DATE       PERCENTAGE         

Gusthegoose   12 – 3     16 – 6         .727
centfan                 8 – 7     29 – 11         .725
Reserved Seat   11 – 6     31 – 15         .674
Diplomaniac1    9 – 8     30 – 17         .638
UCHooligan98    4 – 1     32 – 23         .582
D. B. Cooper    8 – 9     19 – 15         .559
Gabriel                 8 – 7     22 – 18         .550
oldends                 0 – 0       0 – 0         .000
Wild10                 0 – 0       0 – 0         .000

Standings through Friday, January 27, 2012. (Includes games of Wednesday, January 25).

There was a fair amount of movement up and down the standings chart this time around as the outcomes from last two weeks did not treat most of our picks very well. I received an updated record from UCHooligan98 so his stats to-date are now in the mix. Special kudos to Gusthegoose and Reserved Seat for their stellar predictions over the last two weeks! Especially, Gus who surged into the lead on the basis of his recent 12 - 3 record.

Please double check the above chart to make sure that I have not made any errors or omitted any predictions. If you find anything, let me know and I will make the appropriate changes.

Have a great weekend and enjoy the games! As always, my best to everyone.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 27, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on January 27, 2012, 02:36:07 PM

Does anyone know when the NCAA's first regional rankings of the season will be released? I thought it was about this time last year when they first appeared. Thanks.

Eric

i was told early february.  oh it'd be hilarious if F&M wasnt even in top 5
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on January 27, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
I still have seen no response about his false comment about an F&M bias in POY awards. After having been shown once more to be wrong with his pro-Ursinus, anti-F&M agenda, he just ignores posts that prove him way off base.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 27, 2012, 04:07:19 PM
Regarding student support, the best promoters of student participation are the players themselves.  I know in the 2003-2006 era the Helferrich Hooligans were at their best because Brian McEvily, Brett Jenkins, Mike McGarvey and their teammates knew everyone on campus and promoted their team.  They were the leaders/promoters and we had a terrific young lady (can't remember her name) who was the ring leader.  This carried on through the 2008 season and could be done again.   It will take some leadership and effort by the students themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2012, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on January 27, 2012, 02:36:07 PM

Does anyone know when the NCAA's first regional rankings of the season will be released? I thought it was about this time last year when they first appeared. Thanks.

Eric


February 8th... there will be just three regional rankings before selections are made for the NCAA tournament.
F&M will certainly be ranked... but keep in mind that a lot of home games will work against them in the equation... I expect to see Cabrini #1 at this point... and F&M could end up #2...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 27, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
tomorrow's games 1/28
Hopkins over Muhlenberg
Washington College over McDaniel
Gettysburg over Swathmore
F&M over Haverford
Dickinson over Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 27, 2012, 06:49:44 PM
coco,
i wish you all the best...joy, humility, and kindness.
enjoy the rest of the season.
god bless and good luck to your team.







Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on January 27, 2012, 09:40:20 PM
Muhlenberg over Johns Hopkins
Washington College over McDaniel
Gettysburg over Swarthmore
Franklin and Marshall over Haverford
Dickinson over Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 28, 2012, 10:47:16 AM
Gabriel, while I will agree to a point that the players themselves can talk up the season, attendance and generate interest in the team I truly feel those in charge need to take the point and promote the team, create excitement, interest, etc.. The coaches, the AD, the SID so forth. Even if the SID or AD had an assistant who exclusively just promoted participation, attendance and interest. A great start and intern experiance for someone majoring in marketing etc..  It was my experiance, especially in college, to always see flyers around the school promoting the home games, special promos for the home games,(give a ways, local charity tag alongs, etc..) I do know winning breeds a bunch of this also but it still would be nice for the students themselves to have some interest and generate some school pride and support for their fellow students who are working harder than most to play a sport and focus on the more important academics. This, of course, can be said for all sports. I'm sure better attendance by students would be appreciated by all the athletes and their teams. But the reality is the big three usually are better attended, just would like to see more of it at Ursinus. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 28, 2012, 10:53:39 AM
 Sorry for my lazy spelling mistakes on last post, in a hurry. Getting on the road to Dickinson. Should have spell check on here
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 28, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
Man, three games in a row with a lead with under five minutes in the game only to lose. What I am happy about is Swarthmore is still fighting even with a terrible record. This has been a very long year but the team is showing a ton of character by staying in games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 28, 2012, 07:02:57 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on January 28, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
Man, three games in a row with a lead with under five minutes in the game only to lose. What I am happy about is Swarthmore is still fighting even with a terrible record. This has been a very long year but the team is showing a ton of character by staying in games.

i cant imagine this year is any longer than any other year for swat fans.

i had some work to take care of today, but from the game recap looks like my Bears were shot out of the buidling early and never got started.  Tough break, in basketball you have those with young teams.  Hopefully the current Hooligans will be on display Wednesday!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
Methodical game for F&M.  Early, Gyokchyan, and Salandra displayed an arsenal of post moves and defensively controlled the boards.  F&M out rebounded the Fords 51-23.  Milligan lead 4 players in double figures with Milligan contributing 23, mostly in the second half.  Gyokchyan had a double-double(15 points), Salandra had 13 and Porter scored an early 10 points.  F&M tried to get too fancy at times leading to 16 turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 30, 2012, 09:19:35 AM
BEST GUESSES

Wednesday, February 1, 2012:
Franklin And Marshall(Ursinus is struggling)
Washington College(playing tough
Gettysburg(home team-Hopkins falling apart)
Dickinson
Muhlenberg

Saturday, February 4, 2012:
Ursinus
Haverford
Johns Hopkins
Washington College
Franklin And Marshall

Wednesday, February 8, 2012:
Johns Hopkins
Dickinson
Washington College
Franklin And Marshall
Haverford

Saturday, February 11, 2012:
Dickinson
Washington College
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Franklin And Marshall
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 30, 2012, 12:25:22 PM
Picks

Weds, 2/1/2012
F&M over Ursinus  (It pains me but the Bears are struggling to say the least)
Washington over Haverford
Gettysburg over JHU
Dickinson over McDaniel (this will be a battle in Westminster)
Muhlenberg over Swat (can't see Swat winning in the mule barn)

Saturday, 2/4/2012
Ursinus over Gettysburg (Bears get it back together)
Haverford over McDaniel (home team)
JHU over Swat (could go the other way since game is at Swat)
Washington over Dickinson (could be the game of the day in the battle for second place)
F&M over Muhlenberg (could be a tough test for the Dips)

Wednesday, 2/8/2012
JHU over McDaniel (homecourt)
Dickinson over Muhlenberg
Washington over Swat (Swat went south after they lost their coach)
F&M over Gettysburg (Getty does not have the horses this yezr)
Ursinus over Haverford (home team)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on January 30, 2012, 12:33:25 PM
I am impressed with the level of prognostication of the group. The numbers do not lie... great job!!!
I believe the next two weeks will determine whether or not the Dips have the backbone they need to be truly entitled a 'tournament' team... Some very tough road venues - UC, Berg and JHU - will prove challenging... As well as they are playing defense at the moment, they still need to keep scoring from their fundamental roots... Staying within the Robinson scheme for the next two weeks might prove to be that springboard before playoffs...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on January 30, 2012, 03:51:17 PM
What do people think the top basketball rivalries are in the league?  After seeing Amherst-Williams at Amherst, Swarthmore-Haverford (especially at Haverford) is every bit as intense and maybe even better.  Overall, it does not stack up with the Amherst-Williams rivalry across all sports but basketball seems to be the primary sport for the Swathmore-Haverford rivalry while football is the biggest sport for Amherst-Williams and the hockey rivalry is also strong during the winter season.

Have many of you seen Swarthmore play this year?  I was looking at their statistics and I can't say I've seen a team shoot so poorly from top to bottom.  I'm sure the defenses in the league are pretty good (as usual) but their shooting is just plain bad.  The leading scorer has averaged 17.4 points per game over the last three years shooting only 36.5% from the field and none of the top 5 scorers shoots 40%+.  It is very hard to win with just those shooting numbers alone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 30, 2012, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on January 30, 2012, 03:51:17 PM
What do people think the top basketball rivalries are in the league?  After seeing Amherst-Williams at Amherst, Swarthmore-Haverford (especially at Haverford) is every bit as intense and maybe even better.  Overall, it does not stack up with the Amherst-Williams rivalry across all sports but basketball seems to be the primary sport for the Swathmore-Haverford rivalry while football is the biggest sport for Amherst-Williams and the hockey rivalry is also strong during the winter season.

Have many of you seen Swarthmore play this year?  I was looking at their statistics and I can't say I've seen a team shoot so poorly from top to bottom.  I'm sure the defenses in the league are pretty good (as usual) but their shooting is just plain bad.  The leading scorer has averaged 17.4 points per game over the last three years shooting only 36.5% from the field and none of the top 5 scorers shoots 40%+.  It is very hard to win with just those shooting numbers alone.

after i graduated Ursinus and F&M became big rivals into much of the last decade.  Ursinus was clearly the best CC school of the decade, with F&M #2 so naturally they formed a rivalry.  As for swat/haverford, that must be due to proximity.  Swat has always had a terrible team, which borders on unwatchable.  In our heyday, Swat wouldnt even be close the Bears (shows you how things have fallen for Ursinus, but hopefully soon going to bounce back). 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on January 30, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
countdown until the mules beat the overrated f&m diplomats:

5 days

can't wait until saturday! UC hooligan, will you be dropping by memorial hall for the occasion?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on January 30, 2012, 06:47:40 PM
Coach Small has done a nice job during his tenure at Ursinus.  This is especially true considering he is much more limited by the school's name recognition and his ability to recruit outside of his immediate region than most other colleges in the CC.  Ursinus only has 3 guys who are not from PA/NJ while F&M has 6.  The more elite academic schools (JHU, Swat, Haverford) also usually tend to have more geographic diversity on their rosters.  For years I found it interesting that a few of Ursinus's most commonly run plays are sets that Swarthmore runs as well.  I guess this makes sense given Small's history as an assistant under Wimberly.  They have historically worked better with a Dennis Stanton/Nick Shattuck coming off the screens.  I'm sure the F&M people will love the comment over which team had the best decade.  Looking back, I'd have to give F&M the edge.  They are definitely the class of the conference now, which sadly isn't saying as much overall as it used to.  The CC appears to be a one bid conference this year unless F&M stays nearly perfect but then loses in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 30, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Tough picks:
2/1/12
F&M (expect hard game)
Washington college
G-burg
Dickinson
Muhlenberg

2/4/12
Ursinus
Haverford
Johns Hopkins
Washington
Muhlenberg (Dips are most likely to toss this game or the game at Dickinson, or both to risk hurting there post season status)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on January 30, 2012, 08:05:57 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on January 30, 2012, 06:47:40 PM
I'm sure the F&M people will love the comment over which team had the best decade.  Looking back, I'd have to give F&M the edge.

I'll admit I was initially a bit incredulous at declaring Ursinus as "clearly" the best, but a good case can be made.  Assuming we're talking about 2000-01 through 2009-10, Ursinus had 4 conference championships to F&M's 2, 9 conference playoff appearances to F&M's 7, and a slightly better conference record (4 wins better, I think).  Their 3 1st-round NCAA tournament exits prior to 2008 make it a bit less clear, as F&M won at least 2 NCAA games each of the 3 times they were in the tournament.  Still, Ursinus probably edges F&M as the best team last decade.  Gettysburg was also fairly close, with 3 championships, 10 playoff appearances and about the same number of conference wins as F&M, but I think their lack of NCAA tournament success keeps them out of the top 2.

If 2010-11 is included instead of 2000-01, that might swing it in F&M's favor, and Ursinus certainly wouldn't be "clearly" better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on January 30, 2012, 08:33:00 PM
Does Ursinus win many recruiting battles against F&M?  Given that this is a key late period for recruiting, I would be interested to know the pecking order within the conference (obviously it does not always hold true) since many players must be picking between many of the schools.  I'd love to hear a boiled down version of the coaching pitches that sold people/their children on the schools as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 30, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
ddm1027,

Couldn't agree more.  Many of you don't know that Coach Small was a "part time" coach until 2006---he was working three part time jobs.  Ursinus was the last school in the CC to hire a "full time" men's basketball coach.  He spent much of his tenure at Ursinus without a full time assistant until he was able to hire Mike McGarvey after the final four run in 2008.  He has always done most of the recruiting himself although Mike was a big help before leaving for Colgate.  I would guess that no school in the CC has a smaller budget for men's basketball than Ursinus.  Their trips to Italy last summer and to Las Vegas this winter were paid for by fund raising events scheduled,  coordinated and run by Coach Small.  The product is not always pretty, but no coach works harder for his school and his team than Coach Small.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on January 30, 2012, 09:36:17 PM
Two days before f and m destroys the bears and five days before the dips beat down the mules .  uchuligan and mulefrrak can eat me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on January 30, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Mchugh fandm has had zero road losses- how does that work against them?   f and m should be #1 in the region.  noone is better!  f and m all the way!  bears and mules going down!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 30, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
F&M/Gettysburg has always been a big rivalry.  F&M, Gettysburg, and Dickinson have the Little Three going in most sports.
Ursinus/F&M don't recruit many of the same players, so there's not much of a battle for players.
Gabriel, I plan on being in Collegeville Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 30, 2012, 10:28:38 PM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on January 30, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
countdown until the mules beat the overrated f&m diplomats:

5 days

can't wait until saturday! UC hooligan, will you be dropping by memorial hall for the occasion?

hi Mule yeah it was great meeting you at the UC/Muhl game.  you know what, i'll try and convince the wife to go to Sands for the night Saturday and if i can i'll swing by allentown for the game.  Didnt F&M lose there last year?  hahaha hopefully history repeats itself!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2012, 12:47:05 AM
Quote from: dipphan on January 30, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Mchugh fandm has had zero road losses- how does that work against them?   f and m should be #1 in the region.  noone is better!  f and m all the way!  bears and mules going down!

How it affects them is that home games (wins or losses) are worth less than road games in the strength of schedule calculation. Teams that play a lot more home games than road games will suffer in that measurement as a result.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2012, 01:09:09 AM
Speaking of F&M, I sat down with Georgio Milligan and Hayk Gyokchyan on Saturday for an extended interview.

Click here to watch (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/01/interview-fandm-mbb).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on January 31, 2012, 07:52:49 AM
A quick glance at the publicly available EADA data* suggests that Ursinus was "lower-middle class" in terms of total expense** in men's basketball back in the 2003-04 season and steadily rose to the level of "one-percenter" by the end of the decade. It is also scary to see how much total expenses have gone up in the CC over the last half-decade. Some of it is unavoidable (higher gas prices mean more expensive road trips and food for player on those trips, but gas ain't this expensive).


2003Franklin and Marshall College$105,034.00
2003Gettysburg College$77,236.00
2003Juniata College$72,720.00
2003   Washington College   $67,801.00
2003   McDaniel College   $62,433.00
2003   Dickinson College   $51,919.00
2003   Ursinus College   $49,978.00
2003   Muhlenberg College   $46,192.00
2003   Haverford College   $30,265.00
2003   Swarthmore College   $25,973.00




2010Franklin and Marshall College$230,944.00
2010Ursinus College$206,246.00
2010Swarthmore College$153,221.00
2010Gettysburg College$130,712.00
2010Juniata College$125,011.00
2010McDaniel College$111,949.00
2010Haverford College$104,740.00
2010Muhlenberg College$88,559.00
2010Dickinson College$81,181.00

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/)

* EADA is fuzzy math and was not designed for comparing institutions to other institutions, however, it is the only data available. It is designed for intra-institutional comparison of expense by gender.
**Total expense is where the math gets fuzzy. It includes every dollar passed through an institution and spent on the sport, even NCAA playoff expenses, which are reimbursed by the NCAA - so the deeper the run, the more skewed the number. Overseas trips are included (F&M 2010 likely includes their Ireland trip). Coaches salaries are also included, but as a full-time equivalency - so if a coach makes $70k, and the school says half his duties are coaching and half are teaching, administrative, etc. they report $35k
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 31, 2012, 08:00:01 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 30, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
F&M/Gettysburg has always been a big rivalry.  F&M, Gettysburg, and Dickinson have the Little Three going in most sports.
Ursinus/F&M don't recruit many of the same players, so there's not much of a battle for players.
Gabriel, I plan on being in Collegeville Wednesday.

Reserved Seat,

I will be there too.  Will you be behind the Dips bench? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2012, 09:42:58 AM
Gabriel, yes, I'll be behind the bench.
Interview with Milligan and Gyokchyan was interesting.  Both young men seemed uncomfortable, especially Hayk.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on January 31, 2012, 10:34:13 AM
The 2003 numbers, at least in some cases, do not include full salaries.  While some schools may have had part-time coaches at that point, Swarthmore had a full-time coach who was also a professor of physical education.  The school must have allocated most (if not all) of his salary to the department as a whole rather than to basketball.  There is no way Swat was the lowest spender.  This was shortly after football was cut and all other sports had their budgets increased.  Overall, it makes sense that the schools with a lot more money and/or longer tenured coaches would have higher expenses (JHU's expenses are also over $143,000).  The facility upgrades are another huge area that can't be factored in when looking only at an individual sport.  For example, Haverford added a great facility and Muhlenburg added a terrific weight room between 2003 and 2010 despite being ranked very low in terms of basketball expenses.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 31, 2012, 11:01:05 AM

I wanted to add my two cents to the questions about rivalries. For most of the late 1980's and all of the 1990's, I think that F&M vs. Johns Hopkins was one of the best and closely contested rivalries in the Conference. Outside of the Conference, the annual F&M vs. Lebanon Valley games were some of the most hard-fought games and also a great rivalry in amish land.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 31, 2012, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 31, 2012, 01:09:09 AM
Speaking of F&M, I sat down with Georgio Milligan and Hayk Gyokchyan on Saturday for an extended interview.

Click here to watch (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/01/interview-fandm-mbb).

Gordon, thanks for the great interview. Nice to hear Georgio and Hayk talk about various topics, from how they came to F&M to their growth on the court.

Agree with D.B. that these next two games will be tough for the Dips. I could see them losing either one, especially if the Bears/Mules get hot from outside. Perimeter shooting (both the opponent hitting and the Dips unable to hit) has been a common theme in most of F&M's losses in recent years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 31, 2012, 11:05:45 AM

After looking at the listing of expenditures, it is hard for me to believe that Swarthmore had the third highest amount in 2010 and yet produced one of the weakest programs in the Conference (and consistently does so)!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2012, 11:31:27 AM
QuoteBoth young men seemed uncomfortable, especially Hayk.

They were a little figidty, but overall I thought they were very good. Articulate, appropriately animated and honest.

It's hard to know what to do with yourself when you're on camera that long. That's why I stay off camera. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2012, 11:53:58 AM
Oh Gordon... we have had you on camera plenty... :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on January 31, 2012, 12:17:11 PM
my current record is 35-25 under my formula, which was tweaked at mid-season for adjustments.  as a reminder, it is:

Ursinus wins all, F&M beats all but Ursinus, everyone beats swat, everyone beats McD but Swat, all other games won by home team

My predictions for tomorrow based on formula are: Ursinus, GB, WC, DC, Muhl
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 31, 2012, 04:30:50 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on January 31, 2012, 11:01:05 AM
Outside of the Conference, the annual F&M vs. Lebanon Valley games were some of the most hard-fought games and also a great rivalry in amish land.
Eric

And I'm still not certain why the Dips and Dutchmen haven't played in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on January 31, 2012, 05:51:52 PM
There seem to be a number of people with good knowledge of the history of the basketball programs at these schools.  Can people think of prominent basketball alumni?
I can think of a few from the political arena:
Frank Kratovil- former U.S. Congressman from Maryland who is now a state judge (McDaniel/Western Maryland).
Carl Levin- long-time U.S. Senator from Michigan (Swarthmore)

It is also good to see things going well for several former players who are now coaching at the D1 level.  Mike McGarvey (UC) was a nice addition to the young Colgate staff and Eran Ganot (Swat) looks he will be heading to the NCAA tournament with the St. Mary's Gaels.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 31, 2012, 08:36:31 PM
Steve Donahue, Ursinus College 1984 currently the head coach at Boston College after coaching Cornell/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2012, 09:33:44 PM
Chris Finch(F&M '92) is currently the assistant coach of the Houston Rockets of the NBA
and the head coach of the senior Great Britain men's national basketball team.
Donnie Marsh(F&M '79) is an assistant men's basketball coach at UAB. He was previously the head coach at Florida International University in Miami, Florida. He was also head coach of The College of New Jersey from 1989 to 1993 and an assistant coach at Indiana University.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 31, 2012, 10:07:24 PM
After Wimberly quit, I promise that Swarthmore now spends the least amount of money (by far) on basketball. No trips, high school buses to games, nothing over the summer, no paid assistants, and almost a high school feel to extras. Add in over the last three years many players have gone over seas for the first semester and you get where the program is today.

As to the low shooting percentage - that will happen when you hold the ball for almost the entire shot clock and take a low percentage shot to beat  the clock.

While the winning percentage is not good, the academics makes up for it. As Porsche says -"There is no substitute".
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 31, 2012, 10:20:20 PM
i think it would be interesting to interview a player or two from each team in the conference. i enjoyed seeing the players from f&m and also players on the documentary about washington college this year.there are so many great kids in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2012, 10:44:14 PM
Cent Fan:

Agreed. I try to spread the interviews we do around, but the Centennial Conference kids are usually great interviews.

If you're hungry for a little more, here's an interview Dave did with Ursinus' Jon Ward (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7YaooKoEQ&feature=plcp&context=C3aebca7UDOEgsToPDskI1YlihLOTkQxN5TfGt1igt) at the D3hoops Classic.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2012, 11:13:03 PM
Ug... you shared that?! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 31, 2012, 11:19:58 PM
thanks gordon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 01, 2012, 09:24:35 AM
In honor of today's matchup, time for a trip down memory lane

http://centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2004-05/tournament

sadly theres no link to the 03 championship on the Centennial page (Commish, perhaps you could work on that). 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 01, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
good luck hooligan, i know you are hoping history will repeat itself. mccgarvey and shattuck...that'd be nice to see again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 01, 2012, 02:33:14 PM

Folks -

Here are my predictions for tonight's "Pick-Ems Games:

Franklin And Marshall over Ursinus
Washington over Haverford
Johns Hopkins over Gettysburg
Dickinson over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Swarthmore

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 01, 2012, 02:34:38 PM

Gabriel -

I plan to make the trek to Collegeville tonight. Will you be in attendance? If so, where will you be sitting? I will try to say hello.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on February 01, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
Franklin and Marshall over Ursinus
Washington College over Haverford
Gettysburg over Johns Hopkins
Dickinson over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 01, 2012, 06:12:13 PM
F&M over Ursinus
Haverford over Washington
Gettysburg over Hopkins
Dickinson over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 01, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
I think uc hulligan may be right.  bad half for dips.  at least they are in the tourney and magic number is 4.  haek and porter have to stay out of foul trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 01, 2012, 08:35:15 PM
Contracts to georgio who is now second place all time in points scored at f and m.  best player in centennial. eat me everyone else!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2012, 10:12:46 PM
Quote from: dipphan on February 01, 2012, 08:35:15 PM
eat me everyone else!

People still say this? Seriously?

C'mon, dipphan -- show a little class.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
Tough game for F&M at Collegeville.  Ursinus took an early lead 34-31 at the half which could have been larger if Ursinus hadn't thrown the ball out of bounds so often.  At the start of the second half Ursinus built a 39-31 and then went scoreless while F&M scored 14 points.  Foul shooting was horrendous--F&M 20-35 and Ursinus 19-26.  Three point shooting was also bad with each team only making 3.  Gyokchyan was limited to 15 minutes with foul trouble with several appearing to be phantom fouls. Ward and Ursinus' other big men did a good job of taking away a lot of F&M's inside game.
Morgan Lee provided 8 key points to the offense.  Milligan lead all scorers with 19 points(Salandra added 17)
Ursinus was held to 20 points in the second half.  Ward worked hard for his Academy Award but came up short.

Gabriel, I tried to meet you, but couldn't find anyone who knew you.  The former athletic director(baseball coach)? even asked me who I was looking for.  Looking forward to seeing Ursinus in the play-offs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 01, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
dipphan,
are you serious?...there's someone i want to introduce you to.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 01, 2012, 11:24:16 PM
hey pat, do you expect anything better from an F&M fan?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 01, 2012, 11:30:41 PM
i could not be in collegeville tonight, nor could i watch.  i thought this year would be a better year as i recently made partner at my firm (youngest partner in my firm's history, but i digress).  sadly a huge case hit my plate last month, and its just a mess.  I'm a divorce attorney, and the woman who we're defending is just a nutcase.  She wont listen to one thing we say, and the prep on this cost me the chance to enjoy tonight.  From what i heard, the refs took over this game and the winner was the team that could make their free throws.  hopefully UC can recover and nab a fifth seed, but i give a lot of credit to this team.  F&m seems like a legit top ten team, and to even be competitive into half 2 deserves credit.  best wishes to all. 

And Mule, my wife says she's up for Sands so i look forward to seeing you again on Sat!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 01, 2012, 11:51:42 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 01, 2012, 11:30:41 PM
From what i heard, the refs took over this game and the winner was the team that could make their free throws.

F&M shot 57% from the line, while Ursinus hit 73%.  The winner was the team that played better defense and took better care of the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 02, 2012, 12:35:42 AM
Quote from: dipphan on February 01, 2012, 08:35:15 PM
eat me everyone else!

wow, dipphan, get a life! i hope your overrated, overhyped and soon to be 19-2 f&m diplomats are ready for a smack down on saturday in a-town. malique and austin will shoot the lights out on your guards, and liddic is ready for a prime time performance. UC hooligan, I'll be there in my regular seat. too bad about the divorce case, and too bad your bears couldn't pull the upset tonight. i guess that leaves it up to us mules, but we've knocked off much better f&m teams before.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 02, 2012, 08:20:58 AM
Not sure i can go to mule town to see georgio continue his dominance!  enjoy the show mulefreak.  glad to see Gabriel went into hiding just like his team did in the second half.  as far as these f and m haters glad to see you watched the game Wednesday excellent analysis uc.  stick to law!   

good road win for f andm .  looking forward to the cc tourney in lancaster and the march to Salem.  should be a lock!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 08:44:34 AM
Quote from: dipphan on February 02, 2012, 08:20:58 AM
good road win for f andm .  looking forward to the cc tourney in lancaster and the march to Salem.  should be a lock!

Nothing is a lock in this conference, dipphan. A couple of losses and the Dips could easily be sent on another odyssey to a remote location in NCAAs. It's still way too early.

Gabriel (or anyone else from Ursinus) - when the Bears and Dips played in December, Ursinus had a freshman who started at either shooting guard or small forward. He looked like he had potential. What happened to him?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2012, 10:54:20 AM
Remember... couple of bad losses and that is exactly what happened to F&M last year... Cabrini could be the way to Salem if the Cavs keep playing well... and F&M could easily be shipped into other regions (see where SMC went last season for the second weekend).

Don't count your chickens...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 02, 2012, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 08:44:34 AM
Quote from: dipphan on February 02, 2012, 08:20:58 AM
good road win for f andm .  looking forward to the cc tourney in lancaster and the march to Salem.  should be a lock!

Nothing is a lock in this conference, dipphan. A couple of losses and the Dips could easily be sent on another odyssey to a remote location in NCAAs. It's still way too early.

Gabriel (or anyone else from Ursinus) - when the Bears and Dips played in December, Ursinus had a freshman who started at either shooting guard or small forward. He looked like he had potential. What happened to him?

r.w.

You're thinking about Phil Walker---a superb athlete also recruited by F&M.  He is no longer on the BB team for whatever reason.  No one talks about it.  Apparently on the track team now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2012, 10:54:20 AM
Remember... couple of bad losses and that is exactly what happened to F&M last year... Cabrini could be the way to Salem if the Cavs keep playing well... and F&M could easily be shipped into other regions (see where SMC went last season for the second weekend).

Don't count your chickens...
Exactly!  F&M still has three tough road games left in conference.  no way they sweep those three.  And we havent even seen a single regional ranking!  who knows, maybe F&m is 4th or lower. 

That said, from what ive seen cabrini probably doesnt want anything to do with a team like F&M.  A team like Cabrini wants to run the floor and play fast.  F&M wont let you do that.  It remains to be seen if Cabrini can win one of those ugly games that gets mired in the muck (like last nights FM/Bears game).  In my mind, F&M's best case scenario is a mid-atlantic heavy region with weaker east/atlantic teams where they are on opposite sides with Cabrini.  Worst case, theyre shipped back to an ODAC heavy region where theyll be one-and-done. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
When's the last time F&M was one and done?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
When's the last time F&M was one and done?

i could be wrong, but didnt they win one game, then they were done just last year?  My point was that F&M seems to have struggled with physical ODAC teams in recent years (just looking at past schedules).  Playing a Cabrini favors the Dips because they might not be ready for the a physical game, and F&M will be sure to lull ya to sleep
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
i could be wrong, but didnt they win one game, then they were done just last year?  My point was that F&M seems to have struggled with physical ODAC teams in recent years (just looking at past schedules).  Playing a Cabrini favors the Dips because they might not be ready for the a physical game, and F&M will be sure to lull ya to sleep

They were knocked out by ODAC teams the last two years, by Randolph-Macon in the Elite Eight in 2010 and at Virginia Wesleyan in the second round last year. F&M did beat a very good ODAC team in the second round in 2004, Hampden-Sydney, which I believe had been ranked No. 1 earlier that season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 02:33:54 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
i could be wrong, but didnt they win one game, then they were done just last year?  My point was that F&M seems to have struggled with physical ODAC teams in recent years (just looking at past schedules).  Playing a Cabrini favors the Dips because they might not be ready for the a physical game, and F&M will be sure to lull ya to sleep

They were knocked out by ODAC teams the last two years, by Randolph-Macon in the Elite Eight in 2010 and at Virginia Wesleyan in the second round last year. F&M did beat a very good ODAC team in the second round in 2004, Hampden-Sydney, which I believe had been ranked No. 1 earlier that season.
Forgive me if i'm wrong RW, but didnt F&M's 09 season also end with a loss to Guilford, yet another ODAC team? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2012, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 01, 2012, 11:24:16 PM
hey pat, do you expect anything better from an F&M fan?

I am sure there are many classy F&M fans. Wish more of them would show their faces here, though, and drown out the noise from the vocal minority. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 02:33:54 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
i could be wrong, but didnt they win one game, then they were done just last year?  My point was that F&M seems to have struggled with physical ODAC teams in recent years (just looking at past schedules).  Playing a Cabrini favors the Dips because they might not be ready for the a physical game, and F&M will be sure to lull ya to sleep

They were knocked out by ODAC teams the last two years, by Randolph-Macon in the Elite Eight in 2010 and at Virginia Wesleyan in the second round last year. F&M did beat a very good ODAC team in the second round in 2004, Hampden-Sydney, which I believe had been ranked No. 1 earlier that season.
Forgive me if i'm wrong RW, but didnt F&M's 09 season also end with a loss to Guilford, yet another ODAC team?

UC Hooligan, F&M's '09 season effectively ended with a Final Four semifinal loss to Richard Stockton. The Dips then lost the consolation game to Guilford in what amounted to an exhibition game. Thankfully the NCAA has since gotten rid of that game, because as I'm sure you're aware as an Ursinus fan, the players (and many fans) simply don't want to be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 02, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
When you say one and done, do you mean play one and done, or win one then done?

F&M has advanced beyond the first round in each of their dozen NCAA appearances since 1990. That is the only time in 22 appearances F&M has not advanced beyond the first round. Glenn Robinson's teams have gone 40-26 (consolation games creating the two loss years) in NCAA play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 02:33:54 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
i could be wrong, but didnt they win one game, then they were done just last year?  My point was that F&M seems to have struggled with physical ODAC teams in recent years (just looking at past schedules).  Playing a Cabrini favors the Dips because they might not be ready for the a physical game, and F&M will be sure to lull ya to sleep

They were knocked out by ODAC teams the last two years, by Randolph-Macon in the Elite Eight in 2010 and at Virginia Wesleyan in the second round last year. F&M did beat a very good ODAC team in the second round in 2004, Hampden-Sydney, which I believe had been ranked No. 1 earlier that season.
Forgive me if i'm wrong RW, but didnt F&M's 09 season also end with a loss to Guilford, yet another ODAC team?

UC Hooligan, F&M's '09 season effectively ended with a Final Four semifinal loss to Richard Stockton. The Dips then lost the consolation game to Guilford in what amounted to an exhibition game. Thankfully the NCAA has since gotten rid of that game, because as I'm sure you're aware as an Ursinus fan, the players (and many fans) simply don't want to be there.

RW, my point still stands.  They struggle when confronted with a team as physical as them and have been beaten by an ODAC team 3 years running.  Call it an exhibition, but i'm sure the players didnt treat it as an exhibition. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 02, 2012, 12:35:42 AM
Quote from: dipphan on February 01, 2012, 08:35:15 PM
eat me everyone else!

wow, dipphan, get a life! i hope your overrated, overhyped and soon to be 19-2 f&m diplomats are ready for a smack down on saturday in a-town. malique and austin will shoot the lights out on your guards, and liddic is ready for a prime time performance. UC hooligan, I'll be there in my regular seat. too bad about the divorce case, and too bad your bears couldn't pull the upset tonight. i guess that leaves it up to us mules, but we've knocked off much better f&m teams before.
thanks Mule, i'll look for you hopefully around 15 minutes before game time.  Yeah, this case has me burned out today.  I have to remember that i get paid the big bucks because i'm smarter than my clients, so i cannot hold it against them when they act so darn stupid.  its just frustrating.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2012, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 02:33:54 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
i could be wrong, but didnt they win one game, then they were done just last year?  My point was that F&M seems to have struggled with physical ODAC teams in recent years (just looking at past schedules).  Playing a Cabrini favors the Dips because they might not be ready for the a physical game, and F&M will be sure to lull ya to sleep

They were knocked out by ODAC teams the last two years, by Randolph-Macon in the Elite Eight in 2010 and at Virginia Wesleyan in the second round last year. F&M did beat a very good ODAC team in the second round in 2004, Hampden-Sydney, which I believe had been ranked No. 1 earlier that season.
Forgive me if i'm wrong RW, but didnt F&M's 09 season also end with a loss to Guilford, yet another ODAC team?

UC Hooligan, F&M's '09 season effectively ended with a Final Four semifinal loss to Richard Stockton. The Dips then lost the consolation game to Guilford in what amounted to an exhibition game. Thankfully the NCAA has since gotten rid of that game, because as I'm sure you're aware as an Ursinus fan, the players (and many fans) simply don't want to be there.

RW, my point still stands.  They struggle when confronted with a team as physical as them and have been beaten by an ODAC team 3 years running.  Call it an exhibition, but i'm sure the players didnt treat it as an exhibition.

None of us can really know what's in the players' minds but I saw a lot of consolation games and many times it was evident that only one team, or neither team, came to play. I don't think Salem State was better than F&M in 2000, for example, but who could blame F&M for being a little deflated by the way they lost to Calvin?

Best third place game I can remember was Ohio Northern and Illinois Wesleyan in 2001. Well contested game, came down to the buzzer.

I'm glad we don't have this game anymore. Replacing it with a true exhibition rather than a fake one was a good move.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2012, 04:00:38 PM
Unfortunately, the players did take it as an exhibition.  I've been to all the final fours for F&M, and I've seen the attitude towards the game
What's Ursinus' record against ODAC teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 02, 2012, 04:05:29 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2012, 04:00:38 PM
Unfortunately, the players did take it as an exhibition.  I've been to all the final fours for F&M, and I've seen the attitude towards the game
What's Ursinus' record against ODAC teams?
no idea, but unlike F&M we've been able to beat one in a tournament in recent years
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 03, 2012, 08:26:35 AM
Who is not classy on this forum who is a f and m fan?  f and m fans simply state the facts and should be confident with being #1 in the conference,  hosting the cc tourney again and having the best coach in ncaa d3 history.  and did i mention the dips have a first all team player and mvp of the cc.  sorry there's fandm and then everyone else in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 03, 2012, 08:40:07 AM
Reserved Seat,

Haven't seen your usual recap of the game on Wednesday.  I thought it was a fairly competitive game.   I walked over and looked for you at halftime but just got "this guy's crazy' stares from the Dips fans who don't know who Reserved Seat is.

Gabriel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 03, 2012, 09:50:43 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 02, 2012, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2012, 08:44:34 AM
Quote from: dipphan on February 02, 2012, 08:20:58 AM
good road win for f andm .  looking forward to the cc tourney in lancaster and the march to Salem.  should be a lock!

Nothing is a lock in this conference, dipphan. A couple of losses and the Dips could easily be sent on another odyssey to a remote location in NCAAs. It's still way too early.

Gabriel (or anyone else from Ursinus) - when the Bears and Dips played in December, Ursinus had a freshman who started at either shooting guard or small forward. He looked like he had potential. What happened to him?

r.w.

You're thinking about Phil Walker---a superb athlete also recruited by F&M.  He is no longer on the BB team for whatever reason.  No one talks about it.  Apparently on the track team now.

Gabriel, thanks for the info. I think Haverford had a similar situation a couple years ago with a very good player (Chazz Thomas?) who decided to leave the team and focus on track & field.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 03, 2012, 09:59:34 AM


None of us can really know what's in the players' minds but I saw a lot of consolation games and many times it was evident that only one team, or neither team, came to play. I don't think Salem State was better than F&M in 2000, for example, but who could blame F&M for being a little deflated by the way they lost to Calvin?

Best third place game I can remember was Ohio Northern and Illinois Wesleyan in 2001. Well contested game, came down to the buzzer.

I'm glad we don't have this game anymore. Replacing it with a true exhibition rather than a fake one was a good move.
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Makes sense, conceptually whats the point of a 3rd place game?  I was unable to attend our run to the FF in 2008, but heard from friends the atmoshphere of the saturday game was dead.  They made the trek thinking about going to both games no matter what, but after the first game, and a night of partying at Awful Arthurs, all they wanted to do was get home (which according to them made Saturday that much worse).  I guess Salem is just a long hike for a single game on the first great weekend of Spring. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 03, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 01, 2012, 11:24:16 PM
hey pat, do you expect anything better from an F&M fan?

Honestly, with what you have offered to this board, I'm not sure you can sit in judgment of any fan.

I don't think it was necessary for him to say that, but I have also seen a lot of similarly "classy" comments from Ursinus and Muhlenberg fans. I just wish we all could discuss the game without it turning into trolling, like it seems to do quite often here, especially over the last few months.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
If someone else said "eat me" that I missed lately, my statement also applies to them. But that was the particular bit of speech I was referencing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 03, 2012, 12:53:36 PM


Folks -

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's (Saturday, February 4) "Pick-Ems Games":

Ursinus over Gettysburg (I honestly don't have a clue - edge to the home team)
Haverford over McDaniel (just think that the Fords are more complete team)
Johns Hopkins over Swarthmore
Washington over Dickinson (Shoremen rebound from tough loss - could be a very close game)
Franklin And Marshall over Muhlenberg (Dips win a close tough game on the road at the Mule Barn - a place in which they have never done very well)

Enojys the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
If someone else said "eat me" that I missed lately, my statement also applies to them. But that was the particular bit of speech I was referencing.
I've been following F&M since 1966, and as an F&M fan I found that post also offensive.  Fortunately, most F&M fans don't feel that way.  I support Centennial teams all throughout the play-offs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
Gabriel, I posted a summary of the game Wednesday night after I got home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 03, 2012, 02:26:30 PM
Meh, as an ursinus fan its nice to know nothing has changed much since my day regarding F&M fans. most of them feel entitled because their coach was a winner 15 years before any of them even heard of the place.  My guess is Mayser was "crickets" during their bad run earlier last decade, it makes them no better or worse than other fans.  I only hope the bears get a third crack at em
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 03, 2012, 03:05:30 PM
Bears are done and will not go to mayser for the tourney.  the bears should ask a real coach like Glenn rob how to shoot a basketball.  please do not comment on f and m unless you graduated from there or go to mayser a lot.  mayser was always packed and we are not fair weather fans like those at ursinus or mule or swarthmore.  from the games i have been to this year those places were empty.  sad! go dips!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 03, 2012, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
I've been following F&M since 1966, and as an F&M fan I found that post also offensive.  Fortunately, most F&M fans don't feel that way.  I support Centennial teams all throughout the play-offs.

I completely agree. That comment was the worst I have seen here in some time.

I suppose that excuses some of the other stuff we have seen here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 03, 2012, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dipphan on February 03, 2012, 03:05:30 PM
Bears are done and will not go to mayser for the tourney.  the bears should ask a real coach like Glenn rob how to shoot a basketball.  please do not comment on f and m unless you graduated from there or go to mayser a lot.  mayser was always packed and we are not fair weather fans like those at ursinus or mule or swarthmore.  from the games i have been to this year those places were empty.  sad! go dips!

As an F&M alum, I'm not sure this is necessary. I know there has been a lot of baiting by one particular poster, but that doesn't mean you have to take the bait. Just because he lowered the bar doesn't mean you need to go even lower than he set it, regardless of what gets called out or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 03, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: Dips75 on February 03, 2012, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dipphan on February 03, 2012, 03:05:30 PM
Bears are done and will not go to mayser for the tourney.  the bears should ask a real coach like Glenn rob how to shoot a basketball.  please do not comment on f and m unless you graduated from there or go to mayser a lot.  mayser was always packed and we are not fair weather fans like those at ursinus or mule or swarthmore.  from the games i have been to this year those places were empty.  sad! go dips!

As an F&M alum, I'm not sure this is necessary. I know there has been a lot of baiting by one particular poster, but that doesn't mean you have to take the bait. Just because he lowered the bar doesn't mean you need to go even lower than he set it, regardless of what gets called out or not.

Well said, Dips75. The only thing dipphan is doing is making F&M look bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 03, 2012, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Dips75 on February 03, 2012, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dipphan on February 03, 2012, 03:05:30 PM
Bears are done and will not go to mayser for the tourney.  the bears should ask a real coach like Glenn rob how to shoot a basketball.  please do not comment on f and m unless you graduated from there or go to mayser a lot.  mayser was always packed and we are not fair weather fans like those at ursinus or mule or swarthmore.  from the games i have been to this year those places were empty.  sad! go dips!

As an F&M alum, I'm not sure this is necessary. I know there has been a lot of baiting by one particular poster, but that doesn't mean you have to take the bait. Just because he lowered the bar doesn't mean you need to go even lower than he set it, regardless of what gets called out or not.

i'm not sure how i "baited" anyone.  This is a centennial conference board, not an F&M only board.  I've been fortunate enough to have recent professional success which has finally afforded me the opportunity to have more time to focus on one of my past loves, which was College Basketball (UC as my alma mater and SHU from my law school days).  Didnt realize the dips couldnt take some gentle ribbing and trash talk. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 03, 2012, 05:05:10 PM
countdown: 1 day.......dips going down!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 03, 2012, 05:29:13 PM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 03, 2012, 05:05:10 PM
countdown: 1 day.......dips going down!

be careful Freak, youre trash talking might offend Dips75!  see ya tomorrow before i hit the Sands
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 03, 2012, 08:13:22 PM
I have been a diplomat fan since 1964 and have several degrees from Harvard and Yale and setom hall. i have not gotten baited .  i think my experience and.intelligence allow me to comment as i see it. i rarely follow the rest of the centennial and division 3 because i am too busy with a major research study and f and m is the class of the league and division 3.  can you argue with any thing i have said?  the proof has already been in the pudding .  onto mule town tomorrow for another win!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2012, 08:24:16 PM
Yes. I'm arguing with the "eat me" line. Since 1964? You should be old enough to know better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2012, 10:26:23 PM
Mayser was almost completely empty in the late 60's.  At many games the attendance was well below 50.  Starting in the mid -70's the crowds started to grow.  In the late 70's, the gym actually reached capacity, and the doors were locked.  At least 2 games required security to slip me in as I was running late.  One game was against Hopkins and the other Jersey City. Other games might have been sold out, but I'm usually there early to avoid that problem.  I have to get my 'seat'.  Attendance has been steady ever since, even during the lean years.  I haven't missed a home game in over 20 years, so I'm fairly familiar with the attendance.

My first year at F&M, the team went 8-12 under Coach Windsor.
The next 3 years, F&M went 16-45 under Coach Taylor(an impressive 3-17 my senior year)  It took a faithful fan to follow that team.
Two years later Coach Robinson took over the varsity program, so you can understand why Robinson is so popular with F&M fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 03, 2012, 10:35:21 PM
Did you not laugh when eat me was written on the delta float in the homecoming parade in animal house? i was a Greek at f and m and i laughed at such humor.  i laughed when i read that that was the worst comment on this forum since 1966 for a fellow dip phan!  whatever time for mule beatdown and getting championship number one!  does awful Arthurs still exist in Salem va ? See all of you there
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 03, 2012, 10:51:33 PM
tomorrow might be an elimination game for both UC and GB.  With a loss tomorrow, the math just might not be there for either of these teams to get to the CC tourney.  As sad as it is, those early losses to mcdaniel and swat will be the backbreakers for the bears.  If thats the case you have to wonder whether it was wise to give the team such an intense early season schedule.  time will tell
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 03, 2012, 11:54:58 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 03, 2012, 10:51:33 PM
tomorrow might be an elimination game for both UC and GB.  With a loss tomorrow, the math just might not be there for either of these teams to get to the CC tourney.  As sad as it is, those early losses to mcdaniel and swat will be the backbreakers for the bears.  If thats the case you have to wonder whether it was wise to give the team such an intense early season schedule.  time will tell

Even if Ursinus loses tomorrow, they probably still have an OK shot at the #5 seed.  They have games left with both Johns Hopkins and Muhlenberg, and Ursinus would have the head-to-head tiebreaker with both teams if Ursinus wins the upcoming games.

Gettysburg would have a tougher time making the playoffs with a loss, as they wouldn't have the head-to-head tiebreaker against any of the teams ahead of them.

Edit: If Ursinus loses tomorrow, their fans will need to start rooting for F&M, who has games left with each of the 3 teams Ursinus would be chasing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 03, 2012, 11:56:48 PM
This article describes what could happen at Swarthmore, Haverford, and Hopkins if the schools recruit well and relax their admissions policies a bit.  They are similarly situated academically to Middlebury and MIT (though they don't really have the MIT "brand" recognition).  Tufts is another NESCAC school that has turned things around quickly.  Tufts has gone from 1-8 in the conference in 2007-08 and 2008-09 and 2-7 in 2009-10 to 4-5 last year and 6-2 thus far this year.  Other than the NESCAC being a better basketball conference than the Centennial, I would see little reason for recruits to regularly go to Middlebury over Swarthmore or Haverford (they are similar academically and the two Centennial schools are not in the middle of nowhere) or Tufts over Johns Hopkins (I guess the Boston area may be a strong draw for Tufts and MIT).  I could see the conference getting much better if these programs improve.  If you have the academics and can get enough good players in and develop them (which has been the problem for these three) you don't need the basketball history.  That is probably particularly true in the Centennial, which does not regularly boast multiple top 25 teams let alone a few national championship contenders every year like the NESCAC.  Regular students often pick between schools like MIT, Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Tufts, Swarthmore, Hopkins and Haverford; it doesn't make sense that recruits shouldn't be doing the same thing more often.   

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/alexander_wolff/02/03/middlebury.mit.wolff/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a6
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 04, 2012, 12:24:22 AM
F&M is obviously playing for NCAA position but in terms of the conference standings they have to be feeling very good.  The teams in the middle, on the other hand, are realizing their seasons will be ending soon if they don't keep pace, so they feel a real sense of urgency and have everything to play for.  I wouldn't be surprised to see teams at the top (and bottom) struggle a bit against these teams with their backs against the wall down the stretch.
There is a lot of talk about getting the last one or two playoff spots, but do posters see those teams making any noise in the postseason?  That is not to say that it is not an accomplishment to make the playoffs to begin with.  Tournaments do make this time of year great since the best team on paper doesn't always win.  In fact, I would love to see the CC expand the tournament to include all of the teams (or at least 8).  It might be a little more expensive in terms of travel but everyone would have something to play for and there could always be a huge upset or two.  Hosting a playoff game would also be great for the fan atmosphere at the top seeded schools and create a little more energy and interest going into the semis and finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 04, 2012, 08:49:16 AM
I would suggest that Dips75 was suggesting that Dipphan was leaving the bait, not Hooligan.

Having been in every Centennial gym on multiple occasions, I don't think any team's fans are in any position to judge any other teams fans. I have seen all sorts of classiness and classlessness from all sides. The former outweighs the latter, but the latter really stands out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 04, 2012, 10:12:16 AM
Gettysburg over Ursinus
Haverford over McDaniel
Johns Hopkins over Swarthmore
Dickinson over Washington
Franklin And Marshall over Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 04, 2012, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 04, 2012, 12:24:22 AM
In fact, I would love to see the CC expand the tournament to include all of the teams (or at least 8).  It might be a little more expensive in terms of travel but everyone would have something to play for and there could always be a huge upset or two.  Hosting a playoff game would also be great for the fan atmosphere at the top seeded schools and create a little more energy and interest going into the semis and finals.

Disagree. Five teams makes making the conference tournament mean something. The stretch run would be less fun if the games were solely about positioning like they are in some conferences.  Expand the tournament to all and you take away the achievement of making it.  Expand the tournament past half the conference and you take the positive spotlight off the teams who made it and cast a negative spotlight on the few who didn't. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 04, 2012, 10:25:36 AM
DDM - I can talk a little bit about what you were saying as I was actually a part of the recruiting of all of those colleges. Having gone to numerous AAU tournaments, the Williams and Amhersts of college basketball were always there. I probably got to know close to 50 DIII college coaches. I can honestly tell you I never saw one coach from ANY Centennial Conference at these tournament (and many were in Penn and NJ). The Gym Rat AAU tournament in Albany attracts at least a hundred DIII coaches and again I never met one Centennial coach there.

I can't speak for the other colleges, but I am positive Swarthmore will not lower their standards to get a recruit. Academics are so incredibly hard at Swarthmore that a recruit who doesn't measure up would soon be ineligible. So, it is what it is. Swarthmore will always struggle to beat conference teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 04, 2012, 11:22:24 AM
It's not impossible to have successful sports at Swarthmore or Haverford.  Basketball can be different from other sports, sure, but the academic rigors/standards have not hand-cuffed Swarthmore in soccer or tennis or Haverford in lacrosse, track, and cross country (among other sports for both).  And mentioning Hopkins in that conversation is way off-base.  Hopkins may be going through a "down" cycle in men's hoops (their women are nationally-ranked), but nearly every other sport they have is consistently among the tops in the conference, region, and/or nation and their men's basketball program is certainly no stranger to success. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2012, 12:14:52 PM
I read that story on SI several times... and not once came away with the adage that Middlebury or MIT lowered their standards for students. In fact, the article talked about how some students went to those schools for their specific academics (e.g. foreign languages, engineering, etc.). Heck, one student transferred from Brown... don't think Brown had lowered it's standards at any point.

What I got out of that was that they changed their recruiting tactics and that has helped them become a bigger player in recruiting... and they are doing it with the Ivy schools - again they aren't lowering their standards.

Recruiting is key and many schools like Johns Hopkins have shown they can get recruits in other sports (see soccer and football for JHU)...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 12:32:49 PM
And Amherst and Williams -- those schools are on par with Swarthmore in the U.S News rankings every year so I doubt they are lowering their standards to admit a bunch of kids.

But if I were a student-athlete, I don't know if I would attend Swarthmore because of the apparent attitude towards athletes on campus. I know Al Bloom is no longer president there but his disdain for football players and student-athletes in general was pretty evident. They said they had too many student-athletes on campus and decided to limit the number of them in each class. What kind of message does that send to anyone who is good enough to get into Swarthmore and also takes athletics seriously?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 04, 2012, 01:04:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 12:32:49 PM
And Amherst and Williams -- those schools are on par with Swarthmore in the U.S News rankings every year so I doubt they are lowering their standards to admit a bunch of kids.

But if I were a student-athlete, I don't know if I would attend Swarthmore because of the apparent attitude towards athletes on campus. I know Al Bloom is no longer president there but his disdain for football players and student-athletes in general was pretty evident. They said they had too many student-athletes on campus and decided to limit the number of them in each class. What kind of message does that send to anyone who is good enough to get into Swarthmore and also takes athletics seriously?

Absolutely agreed. I played football at F&M a few years before Swarthmore eliminated football, and now live in Massachusetts, finishing my doctorate at UMass, which is part of the five-college program with Amherst. Both Amherst and Williams maintain remarkably high academic standards while succeeding in many DIII sports.

Ultimately, it's schools like Amherst and Williams that show how athletics can be a part of an overall collegiate experience. This is the high bar set for other programs throughout DIII.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 04, 2012, 01:21:29 PM
all this stuff about Swat having trouble recruiting athletes is true but you have to admit, they are definitely number 1 at recruiting harry potter loving world of warcraft playing uber nerds!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on February 04, 2012, 01:23:20 PM
Ursinus over Gettysburg
Haverford over McDaniel
Johns Hopkins over Swarthmore
Washington College over Dickinson
Franklin and Marshall over Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 04, 2012, 01:57:27 PM
Swarthmore athletics is a joke.  I live in town there and there is minimal support- we remember the football fiasco and now you can only get fans to the stadium for basketball games only when they are giving out free food.  Academics is strong there but it is also strong at Haverford, Hopkins, and F&M and those schools are very supportive of the athletic programs.  Thank you Swat Dad for supporting the athletic program, but like Republicans in the town itself, the supporters are small in number. 

Thank goodness this problem does not exist at the classiest school in Division 3 Franklin and Marshall.  Back in 61 when I was admitted, I had the highest grades and credentials and it was still tough to get into F&M.  With the best coach and the best player in the Conference in men's hoops who would not want to play there and see the games on the most authentic, classiest, and best floor in the nation- Mayser Gym. 

I will be wearing my F&M hat today at the game if anyone wants to buy me a beer or a scotch!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 04, 2012, 03:20:55 PM
One of the biggest differences I remember attendance wise was that all of the Haverford, Swarthmore, and Hopkins parents were not at every game (some did come but many did not live within a reasonable driving distance to always be there).  Sadly, you really notice 15-25 loud parents at games at most venues in the Centennial.  F&M and Ursinus have had pretty good crowds over the last several years but not most of the rest of the league.  I agree with others that the fans who do come are generally very good (like many of you).  Lets be honest about most Division III programs though, they are not getting huge support from the local community outside the college.  Even Amherst, whose games I went to regularly the year they finished 2nd (and the year after they won it all), did not get many fans and had far less campus support than I expected (fewer fans than F&M for sure except when Amherst played Williams). 
Amherst and Williams (and Middlebury and MIT) are slightly more relaxed with admissions (ask the coaches or ADs at Haverford or Swarthmore about this), but it still takes a lot to get in.  However, lets also not kid ourselves with Haverford, Hopkins, and Swarthmore either; they are not like Caltech, who only takes players who would get in without assistance (and an applicant's basketball experience is treated by the admissions office like being a good dancer).  Recruited athletes still get more than a little edge in admissions at these great schools, and other Centennial schools as well, as it is.  Getting into them is significantly more difficult though than getting into an Ivy as a recruit (where they use the AI).  I was recruited to play another sport in the Ivy League and received special applications and an estimated aid package before even applying.  You can look at an article on Ivy recruiting and the AI here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/sports/before-athletic-recruiting-in-the-ivy-league-some-math.html?pagewanted=all
I agree with "sunny" that Hopkins has done a far better job than Swarthmore and Haverford.  Overall, they clearly have the best athletic department in the CC (though their best programs are outside the CC).  Hopkins has been in the top 13 for the D-III Director's Cup the last two years.  Nonetheless, the basketball program has not been a national player at all in recent memory and they have some of the worst attendance in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 04, 2012, 03:40:33 PM
Harvard has been more aggressive recruiting and has been admitting players they probably wouldn't have before Amaker arrived: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/ncaabasketball/02harvard.html.

It will take a similar combination for the top three academic schools in the CC to regularly be at the top of the league in men's basketball.  As the teams get a lot better, the campus support at those places is likely to follow to at least a certain degree (look at soccer at JHU and Swarthmore over the last several years for examples of this).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 04, 2012, 05:17:41 PM
Quote from: dipphan on February 04, 2012, 01:57:27 PM
. . .  who would not want to play there and see the games on the most authentic, classiest, and best floor in the nation- Mayser Gym. 

Kindly explain how a "floor" can be "the most authentic" and "classiest."  And "best floor in the nation"? Hardly. There are high school "floors" that are light-years better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: donho on February 04, 2012, 05:35:54 PM
  Mayser gym was a dump back in the 70's . Have they remodeled it?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 05:44:59 PM
I've always been of the mind that you should never have to tell someone how classy you are -- class should just exude from the program, it shouldn't have to be bragged about.

I can think of some programs like that in Division III basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 04, 2012, 06:02:47 PM
The mvp was ice cold and the division 3 refs were horrible.  rough loss in mule town.  not classy by mule fans to storm court.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 06:03:53 PM
Don't know what the rules are for storming the court -- certainly they are unwritten at best -- but beating No. 8 might qualify. Stevenson storming the court when it beat Wesley earlier in the week, doesn't qualify.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 04, 2012, 06:11:24 PM
Matt Porter hit a 3 with 3:59 left that was incorrectly ruled a 2.  Here's the video:

http://www.livestream.com/muhlenberg/video?clipId=pla_2eb9f8df-9c2b-40a2-9b6c-368f37556260&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb (http://www.livestream.com/muhlenberg/video?clipId=pla_2eb9f8df-9c2b-40a2-9b6c-368f37556260&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb)

The shot is at 1:48:46, and he's at least 6 inches beyond the line.  No telling how the game would have turned out if they got that right.

It doesn't excuse F&M not being able to get a shot off in their last 2 possessions (excluding the meaningless final 4 seconds).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 04, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
Mulefreak, great seeing you today. Great wins for our teams. Too bad I couldn't stay for a round at Roosevelts, but the wife is excited for emerils steakhouse tonight. Thankfully we were able to grab one at liberty beforehand. And as for storming court, I mean I.think its a rite of passage everyone should get once.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 04, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
For the record the overrated dips will be the regular season winner of the centennial over mules.  that is a fact! do you agree mule?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 04, 2012, 06:41:34 PM
Good seeing you again hooligan, always a good day when f&m loses. dipphan, get a life - I expect better from someone with such a distinguished education.

mules for the cc title...take that to the bank!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 06:46:37 PM
I deleted the post, dipphan, but I'm disappointed that at your advanced age, you can't take what you dish out.

Take a cue from elder statesman Warren Thompson on how to handle something with decorum. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 04, 2012, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: dipphan on February 01, 2012, 08:35:15 PM
Contracts to georgio who is now second place all time in points scored at f and m.  best player in centennial. eat me everyone else!

It was nice of you, mr coleman, to also delete this post. what kind of dog and pony show are you running here? listen, all kidding aside, I and other mule fans can take whatever this juvenile dishes out. he is a classless moron, not surprising from an f&m fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipphan on February 04, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Pat i find it not classy that you are calling me old!

i applaude you pat Coleman for deleting such a terrible comment by mulefreak.  he clearly.is unwise.  also i appreciate your comments Mr Coleman but i will not listen to non outside posters.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 07:10:01 PM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 04, 2012, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: dipphan on February 01, 2012, 08:35:15 PM
Contracts to georgio who is now second place all time in points scored at f and m.  best player in centennial. eat me everyone else!

It was nice of you, mr coleman, to also delete this post. what kind of dog and pony show are you running here? listen, all kidding aside, I and other mule fans can take whatever this juvenile dishes out. he is a classless moron, not surprising from an f&m fan.

I am sure you can recognize that I took this post as a teaching moment. Repeating the mistake after I have said something about it on the boards is grounds for more action than simply me making a point about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2012, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: dipphan on February 04, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Pat i find it not classy that you are calling me old!

i applaude you pat Coleman for deleting such a terrible comment by mulefreak.  he clearly.is unwise.  also i appreciate your comments Mr Coleman but i will not listen to non outside posters.
What exactly is a non-outside poster?

Good job by the Mules in the simple fact that they found a way to get a big win at home...

As for F&M, these are the type of loses that will hurt chances to host in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
True, but not completely unexpected -- these things happen in conferences that play full home-and-home series.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 04, 2012, 08:42:13 PM
I'd like to believe that the true fans of Centennial Conference basketball have the class that our students exemplify, rather than resorting to name-calling and trash-talking. It's been an interesting season of Conference hoops that promises to provide a lot of enjoyment over the last two weeks of the regular season. Let's try to keep that in mind as we root for our favorite players and teams. I hope to see you during Championship Week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 09:42:16 PM
An email from a poster prompted me to do some digging and made me realize that dipphan is just a former poster who resorted to using his wife's email address to get back on the board. Makes sense -- that means there's one less classless F&M fan on this board and this one's just a replicant.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 04, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
Well i have the wife driving us home, so i came to check the board and cannot believe the flurry of activity.  I had such an amazing meal (the 9oz filet and the bourbon sweet potatoes), that i almost forgot what s great time i had in Allentown!  a couple of thoughts:

- i am a fan of basketball and, as much as i dislike F&M and laugh when Robinson loses that way, the referees were fairly putrid.  Their missed 3 as pointed out by fritz prevented a likely overtime scenario.  at the d1 level that wouldve been reviewed and changed, obviously cant happen in d3.  the kids on both teams work too hard for the game to be decided that way

- haha, Pat with any more teachable moments we might have to start calling you the Professor!  I think my new friend mule, who has always brought insight, deserved the chance to throw it back at the cocky F&M fans.  They act like they own this forum so i hope you can be tolerant of a few free flowing insults as long as theyre tame.

- like with my d1 team who went from a projected 6th seed to out of the tournament in 3 weeks, i cant speculate as to what will or will not hurt a given teams chances for hosting.  didnt f&m host 4 games the year it didnt even win its conference?  we still have 3 weeks, lots of games and the regional rankings havent even come out.

- great win for the Bears, i'll have to read the recap / watch replay if i can when i'm home tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 05, 2012, 08:59:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 06:46:37 PM
I deleted the post, dipphan, but I'm disappointed that at your advanced age, you can't take what you dish out.

Take a cue from elder statesman Warren Thompson on how to handle something with decorum. :)

Hey, Pat. Who are you calling "statesman"? (You did get the "elder" part right, however).  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 05, 2012, 10:03:32 AM
Ursinus came from 15 down with 15 minutes to play to beat Getty by 8.  Donahue and Ward led the come back offensively, but defense and ball control were the keys.  Bears had 15 turnovers in the first half and 3 in the second.  My hat is off to the Bears.   They really struggle but they never quit----always play hard.

Speaking of officiating, the officiating in both the F&M game and the Gettysburg game bordered on incompetent. Against Getty, they were brutal on their choice between blocking and charging.  A hard call, I admit, but the important thing is to be consistent.  Why put the "dimple" rule in if the officials ignore it.  Against F&M, it seemed that we had two sets of officials, one for first half and on for the second.  The two halves were called differently.  It looked like they were intimidated in the second half and Bobby Knight wasn't even there----or was he?  In all honesty, the game was not decided by the officials as Ursinus did not deserve to win.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 05, 2012, 12:21:42 PM
I have to admit, I am fairly amused by the blanket statements that get thrown around this board about F&M fans, the generalizations, the lumping all F&M fans together. It seems to come from several different angles here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 05, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 06:03:53 PM
Don't know what the rules are for storming the court -- certainly they are unwritten at best -- but beating No. 8 might qualify. Stevenson storming the court when it beat Wesley earlier in the week, doesn't qualify.

But a weak #8, right? Shouldn't Muhlenberg beating an overrated F&M be not a big deal?

That said, it is absolutely their right to storm the court. It just seems like either beating F&M is that big a deal and there shouldn't be such talk of them being overrated, or beating F&M isn't that big a deal and doesn't really merit them storming the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 05, 2012, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on February 04, 2012, 09:53:18 PM

- haha, Pat with any more teachable moments we might have to start calling you the Professor!  I think my new friend mule, who has always brought insight, deserved the chance to throw it back at the cocky F&M fans.  They act like they own this forum so i hope you can be tolerant of a few free flowing insults as long as theyre tame.



I would hope and trust that Pat Coleman would treat everyone's posts equally, and would not give anyone an exemption just because they are attacking F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 05, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: Dips75 on February 05, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 06:03:53 PM
Don't know what the rules are for storming the court -- certainly they are unwritten at best -- but beating No. 8 might qualify. Stevenson storming the court when it beat Wesley earlier in the week, doesn't qualify.

But a weak #8, right? Shouldn't Muhlenberg beating an overrated F&M be not a big deal?

That said, it is absolutely their right to storm the court. It just seems like either beating F&M is that big a deal and there shouldn't be such talk of them being overrated, or beating F&M isn't that big a deal and doesn't really merit them storming the court.

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.  Anyone can think a team is overrated at #8 (even the fans who storm the court), but beating No. 8 is still reason to get excited - even if you are only excited to have "proven" said team is "overrated" or if you're thinking that "hey, they may be 'overrated,' but they are still really good and it's something for us to be excited about."  I think people are automatically thinking that "overrated" means "bad." It doesn't.  No doubt there is a negative connotation, but a team "overrated at #8" may "deserve" to be ranked 20th. Hypothetically, shouldn't a team and its fans be excited to beat the 20th-best team in the country?

I would suspect that the F&M women's team and their fans were excited to win @ Lebanon Valley even though some might make the case that LVC was/is, perhaps, ranked higher than they ought to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 05, 2012, 12:51:38 PM
Quote from: sunny on February 05, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: Dips75 on February 05, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2012, 06:03:53 PM
Don't know what the rules are for storming the court -- certainly they are unwritten at best -- but beating No. 8 might qualify. Stevenson storming the court when it beat Wesley earlier in the week, doesn't qualify.

But a weak #8, right? Shouldn't Muhlenberg beating an overrated F&M be not a big deal?

That said, it is absolutely their right to storm the court. It just seems like either beating F&M is that big a deal and there shouldn't be such talk of them being overrated, or beating F&M isn't that big a deal and doesn't really merit them storming the court.

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.  Anyone can think a team is overrated at #8 (even the fans who storm the court), but beating No. 8 is still reason to get excited - even if you are only excited to have "proven" said team is "overrated" or if you're thinking that "hey, they may be 'overrated,' but they are still really good and it's something for us to be excited about."  I think people are automatically thinking that "overrated" means "bad." It doesn't.  No doubt there is a negative connotation, but a team "overrated at #8" may "deserve" to be ranked 20th. Hypothetically, shouldn't a team and its fans be excited to beat the 20th-best team in the country?

I would suspect that the F&M women's team and their fans were excited to win @ Lebanon Valley even though some might make the case that LVC was/is, perhaps, ranked higher than they ought to be.

To some degree, I understand your point. I will say, however, there are some who have argued F&M should not have even been ranked, and had kept them off their rankings for quite a long time this season.

As for whether beating a team that should be somewhere around #20, I think it depends on where your program is as to whether you get excited about beating that team. Like I said, it is their right, but the fact that they stormed the court does suggest it was a very, very big win for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 05, 2012, 01:00:23 PM
I think we'll see the CC expand the tournament at some point.  It will probably take a few years of having teams tied for 5th or even 5th-7th and needing to resort to multiple tiebreakers to set the field.  It seemed like this is probably what happened when the 5th team was added (a reactionary rather than fully thought out move by the league and ADs).  Everyone has to agree that adding just a fifth team did not make any real sense.  On the men's side it could be argued that the top half of teams make the playoffs but that does not hold true for the women (who have 11 teams with BMC).  If the CC really wanted to value the regular season so much (as a poster suggested), it should follow the Ivy League and just allow the regular season conference champion to go to the NCAAs (I would rather expand than contract).  Given the "love" F&M has been getting on the board in the last day, I don't think most of the board really wants to value the regular season all that much either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 05, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
Were there enough fans to fully blanket even 3/4 of the court?  I would be impressed it there was a real court storming!  I see no problem with it when you beat a team at home that is a large favorite.  F&M fans should be pleased that their team is good enough to warrant a court storming.  Do you think anyone rushes the court when they beat McDaniel or Dickinson?

Marcus Denmon's quotation last night after Mizzou beat Kansas and he stopped students from running on the court was very telling: "We know Kansas is a great team but we're at home and we expect to win."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Marcus-Denmon-topples-Kansas-then-stops-a-court?urn=ncaab-wp8196&active_dimension=carousel_ept_sports_blog&ysp_frm_woah=1

The MC-F&M game was not a case, like the KU match-up, where the game was thought of as something close to a true toss up going into it, so I think they should be able to celebrate a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 05, 2012, 02:44:33 PM
As far as storming the court, I applaud MC to actually get that level of energy into any CC building. The Mules got spanked in Mayser so this was a big win to respond that way - getting production from "Lunchbox" Liddic while doing a number on Milligan...3-17 from the field won't happen again (hopefully) this year.
As far as generalizing F&M board members, we are passionate, thought to be knowledgeable about the CC, D3 hoops in general and its uniqueness, loyal and first class as fans. Dip phan obviously, slipped into Mayser via the post-Vietnam GI bill (please no retorts on military career support) - so Dip Phan - please direct your positive energy with Mayser class or, by Amish standards, you will be shunned...
I personally thought the road game @ Dickinson was the away trap game for Robinson's crew... The Dips need to tighten up things if they want to start talking about words like NCAA, home court and Salem in any sentence.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 05, 2012, 05:23:52 PM
Would love to see F&M meet up with Cabrini in Radnor would be a treat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 05, 2012, 08:04:15 PM
I felt there was a 40-50% chance F&M would lose to Mules, mules have won 5 of last 10 played. However, it looked like Muhlenberg used a lineup of multiple big long bodies shoulder to shoulder clogging up the paint everytime they realized Milligan needed to drive down the lane, I'm not sure I've seen this type of picket fence set-up with guys that long. If Dips had deadly 3-point shooters this would be a exposed as mistake & would end quickly, but since they wouldn't/couldn't shoot well from downtown it was effective.

Yet in spite of the horrible home cooked officiating & Georgio's sub-par effort, it says something that the Dips had a good chance to win anyway, until the final 60-90 seconds. I noticed the blown 3-point call on Porter but was rebuffed by a Mule fan that said his foot was inside the line, it's amazing what a pair of red-colored glasses let a home fan see. I can't say it was the worst game I ever saw officiated that effected the outcome. It would have to go some to top the Ursinus-F&M game at Mayser in 1981 when the Broderick led Bears shot some 52 free throws & the home team led by Westley & Al Taylor were awarded 8 (Dips winning the non-foul point contest by 18-20 but losing an NCAA contest.)

The team can make up for this by beating Dickinson in a year end game that may be "meaningless" to them, but important for the Devils. 23-2 would be a great regular season that I didn't think possible after I saw them kick the ball around against Neuman in the tip-off event.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
Well, I know you didn't go to Hobart, Warren, but still. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2012, 09:03:11 PM
Quote from: Dips75 on February 05, 2012, 12:30:09 PM
I would hope and trust that Pat Coleman would treat everyone's posts equally, and would not give anyone an exemption just because they are attacking F&M.

Pretty sure I proved that a page or so back.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: UCHooligan98 on February 06, 2012, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 05, 2012, 08:04:15 PM

I noticed the blown 3-point call on Porter but was rebuffed by a Mule fan that said his foot was inside the line, it's amazing what a pair of red-colored glasses let a home fan see. I can't say it was the worst game I ever saw officiated that effected the outcome. It would have to go some to top the Ursinus-F&M game at Mayser in 1981 when the Broderick led Bears shot some 52 free throws & the home team led by Westley & Al Taylor were awarded 8 (Dips winning the non-foul point contest by 18-20 but losing an NCAA contest.)

Hi DB.  Being at the game with Mulefreak, we both seemed to think the Mules got away with one.  But watching on replay the player shifts his foot forward right before the shot.  It still looks behind the line, but no where near as egregious as originally thought.  Like i said in an earlier post, if thats D1  it gets immediately reviewed with hd technology, but thats the downside of d3. 

I'm hoping my Bears make a run, i mean at this point theyre in better shape than my Pirates
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 06, 2012, 01:12:46 PM
Well, after looking at it again, I realized that I was looking at the old 3-point line (red), which is much more visible on the stream than the current line (blue?).  I can't tell for sure that his toe is behind the line and would never have brought it up if I had realized how close it was.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2012, 01:41:28 PM
D1 has replay if the school's game is being televised or has the capabilities otherwise... it doesn't happen every where in Division I.

And I have seen refs look at monitors of a game that was being streamed on the internet, BUT the internet stream had NO capabilities for replay.

Depends on the schools, the broadcasts, and the set-up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 06, 2012, 02:29:52 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 06, 2012, 01:12:46 PM
Well, after looking at it again, I realized that I was looking at the old 3-point line (red), which is much more visible on the stream than the current line (blue?).  I can't tell for sure that his toe is behind the line and would never have brought it up if I had realized how close it was.

I was sitting across from the bench with a good view of the shot. Both of Porter's feet were clearly behind the line. I was shocked to look up at the scoreboard and see 53-52 instead of a tie game.

More concerning to me was the inability of Hayk, Salandra or Georgio to get into any kind of rhythm. The Mules did a nice job making life in the paint difficult for F&M. I thought Alecxih's outside shooting would help in these situations, but he's not getting much time.

The F&M game is the biggest on every team's schedule, and next week I could see Hopkins and Dickinson doing exactly what Muhlenberg just did if the Dips aren't hitting their shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 06, 2012, 02:36:37 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 06, 2012, 02:29:52 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 06, 2012, 01:12:46 PM
Well, after looking at it again, I realized that I was looking at the old 3-point line (red), which is much more visible on the stream than the current line (blue?).  I can't tell for sure that his toe is behind the line and would never have brought it up if I had realized how close it was.
I thought Alecxih's outside shooting would help in these situations, but he's not getting much time.

I thought the same thing as I was watching the game.  He didn't play at all, which was very curious to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 06, 2012, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 06, 2012, 02:36:37 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 06, 2012, 02:29:52 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 06, 2012, 01:12:46 PM
Well, after looking at it again, I realized that I was looking at the old 3-point line (red), which is much more visible on the stream than the current line (blue?).  I can't tell for sure that his toe is behind the line and would never have brought it up if I had realized how close it was.
I thought Alecxih's outside shooting would help in these situations, but he's not getting much time.

I thought the same thing as I was watching the game.  He didn't play at all, which was very curious to me.

He played decent minutes at the Sponaugle tourney in early January, when he first joined the team. Maybe he's having trouble learning the system. Whatever the case, they need a 3-point threat desperately - Beckford has been disappointing, and Porter doesn't often pull the trigger when he's open. It's still surprising to me that this team has been as successful as it has the past four years with such a lack of perimeter shooting. They've been riding good defense, inside scoring, and Georgio, but I think they need more than that to go deep this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 06, 2012, 07:26:18 PM


folks -

The following are the updated "Pick-Ems" standings for the end of January and early February, including this weekend's games:

NAME             RECENT GAMES   TO DATE           PERCENTAGE         

Gusthegoose   11 – 4                 27 – 10               .730
centfan                11 – 4                 40 – 15               .727
Diplomaniac1   12 – 3                 42 – 20               .677
Reserved Seat   10 – 5                 41 – 20               .672
D. B. Cooper   10 – 5                 29 – 20               .592
UCHooligan98   2 – 3                 37 – 28               .569
Gabriel                9 – 6                 31 – 24               .564
oldends                0 – 0                 0 – 0               .000
Wild10                0 – 0                 0 – 0               .000

Standings through Monday, February 6, 2012. (Includes games of Saturday, January 28; Wednesday, February 1; and Saturday, February 4).

Please double-check and let me know if I made any errors missed anything. If so, I will be happy to correct.

Regards to all,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 07, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
2/8/12
Hopkins over Mcdaniel
Muhlenberg over Dickinson 
Washington College over Swarthmore
F&M over Gettysburg
Haverford over Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 07, 2012, 12:41:50 PM
Picks
2/ 8/2012
JHU over McDaniel
Dickinson over Muhlenberg
Washington over Swat
F&M over Gettysburg
Ursinus over Haverford

2/11/2012
Dickinson over Haverford
Washington over Gettysburg
Ursinus over JHU
Muhlenberg over McDaniel
F&M over Swat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 07, 2012, 03:19:19 PM
Lots of discussion this year about F&M and rightfully so--as the seem to be the only team in the CC capable of moving forward in the post season.  I am a Bears fan and have seen the Dips play but twice.  Nevertheless, these are my observations regarding F&M:

--Clearly the best team in the CC---well coached---a terrific defensive team.  I would use more full court pressure defenses--traps, double teams etc.  Very athletic, they can go at least 10 deep in their roster.  Dips have the best one thru twelve roster in the CC.  Make use of your strength--your defense.

--Salandra is their best big man---not Hayk.  Hayk scored a total of 10 points in two games against Ursinus. Hayk spends way too much time officiating the game and was easily controlled by our freshman.

--Convince GRob to let them play.  The are playing scared---to shoot from more than 10 feet from the basket.  They pass up wide open perimeter shots which they can make if they try.  They need to know they will not be benched if they miss.  Most of these kids are excellent athletes so let them play.

These are just a few observations.  Please shoot at them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 07, 2012, 04:48:42 PM
Gabriel,
Heres my opinion. F&M might be a hair ahead of the conference as far as talent and depth of bench goes, they do go pretty deep. That being said, a few teams, I feel, are right behind as far as depth, talent and who can win the conference. As we know in team sports it's not always who has the most talent that takes home the spoils. This year, more so than the last couple, it seems like a number of teams could win this thing based on other factors. Who I see winning it is the team that puts all these factors together at the right time, that being in the next month or so of course. Not as wide a margin for F&M separating them from the rest as many boast about on this site. Washington, Muhlenberg, Dickinson and our Bears have come from behind late in games and won because of bench strength, TEAM PLAY, unselfishness (key), defense, court energy etc... all big factors needed to make a run at this. I see it like this Gabriel, one of these teams mentioned WILL put it together in time to win this thing not F&M this year. They are beatable more so this then the last couple of years. Both times The Bears played them youth, (turnovers and defensive lapses) was our Achilles heel. Especially the recent home game where they had 28 turnovers and still were in the game late. We have seen glimpses of them putting things together BUT consistency is the key these next 4/5 weeks. Thats a big BUT for the Bears, so we will see. Last but more importantly, congrats to Spencer Liddic and Jon Ward for their recently announced academic/athletic honors. Both were voted to the Co Sida/Capital One Academic All District 1st Team. Only two in the conference named as such. They both move on for voting to the All American National Team based on that 1st Team All Pennsylvania honor. Not enough focus is on these guys and their balancing act of athletics and academics. And we are'nt talking about sports management 101 either! Congrats to both! Good luck to all teams coming down the stretch, should be fun for us fans for sure.   


















Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 07, 2012, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on February 07, 2012, 04:48:42 PM
Both were voted to the Co Sida/Capital One Academic All District 1st Team. Only two in the conference named as such. 

Not true. The Maryland schools are now in a different district for AAA and two guys from Hopkins made it in that district.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 07, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
my mistake, did not know of the change, congrats to the Hopkins guys also
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 07, 2012, 08:01:02 PM
Cocoh2oDad

I agree with you.  No one is conceding to F&M.  They have been beaten on their home court before and they are not dominant this year.  Given their success thus far, they will likely get into the post season even if beaten in the CC tournament----the only way we get two teams in.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 07, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
2/8 picks

JHU
Dickinson
Washington
F&M
Ursinus

2/11

Dickinson
Washington
JHU
Muhlenberg
F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 08, 2012, 12:04:02 AM
to me the only team that is likely to beat f&m in the playoffs is muhlenberg (who already has). and they are also the only team that is close to being even with f&m in talent but they are not as deep on the bench. dickinson seems like they would have an outside shot but they are not as athletic or talented. muhlenberg has good guards and a good big in liddic. curry is a very good defender and killing is dangerously quick and scores. liddic is the most reliable/consistent big in the conference in terms of both rebounding and scoring .he rarely has a weak or mediocre game. dickinson has a good point guard and a solid big in wixted but are not as talented, deep or as skilled as f&m. they do play very hard though. i don't see ursinus matching up well with f&m or muhlenberg, even though they actually beat muhlenberg (a surprise). killing had on off game and the ursinus guards shot much better than usual. the bears guards are not very athletic and the bigs don't match up great with salandra and hayk in the paint. kamara rebounds and ward scores but salandra and hayk can do both. krasna is a good point guard but the ursinus guards lack quickness, speed and size in comparison to f&m. milligan is the best guard in the conference when the money is on the line. he likes big games and performs well in crunch time. he is mentally tough. i think f&m or muhlenberg will win the conference when the playoffs come along unless some very strange fluke (which is possible) happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 08, 2012, 08:44:40 AM
Cent fan

Good points,however, I dispute your big man comparison.  I their two head-to-head games, the Ward/Kamara combo has totalled 40 points and 27 rebounds versus the Hayk/Salandra totals of 40 points and 15 boards. Looks like slight advantage Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2012, 12:11:47 PM
Ward/Kamara  118 minutes played
Hayk/Salandra  91 minutes played
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on February 08, 2012, 12:48:17 PM
Johns Hopkins over McDaniel
Dickinson over Muhlenberg
Washington College over Swarthmore
Franklin and Marshall over Gettysburg
Ursinus over Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 08, 2012, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2012, 12:11:47 PM
Ward/Kamara  118 minutes played
Hayk/Salandra  91 minutes played

So?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 08, 2012, 12:04:02 AM
to me the only team that is likely to beat f&m in the playoffs is muhlenberg (who already has). and they are also the only team that is close to being even with f&m in talent but they are not as deep on the bench. dickinson seems like they would have an outside shot but they are not as athletic or talented. muhlenberg has good guards and a good big in liddic. curry is a very good defender and killing is dangerously quick and scores. liddic is the most reliable/consistent big in the conference in terms of both rebounding and scoring .he rarely has a weak or mediocre game. dickinson has a good point guard and a solid big in wixted but are not as talented, deep or as skilled as f&m. they do play very hard though. i don't see ursinus matching up well with f&m or muhlenberg, even though they actually beat muhlenberg (a surprise). killing had on off game and the ursinus guards shot much better than usual. the bears guards are not very athletic and the bigs don't match up great with salandra and hayk in the paint. kamara rebounds and ward scores but salandra and hayk can do both. krasna is a good point guard but the ursinus guards lack quickness, speed and size in comparison to f&m. milligan is the best guard in the conference when the money is on the line. he likes big games and performs well in crunch time. he is mentally tough. i think f&m or muhlenberg will win the conference when the playoffs come along unless some very strange fluke (which is possible) happens.

Anyone can beat F&M, not just the Mules. I kind of remember Washington beating them and Dickinson loosing a very close one, 2 pts I think, to F&M. If you think Wixted from Dickinson can not compete with Liddic or the F&M bigs, you are nutz. I am not saying Dickinson is my team or better than F&M, but to say only Mules can compete is idiotic.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2012, 02:17:32 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 08, 2012, 08:44:40 AM
Good points,however, I dispute your big man comparison.  I their two head-to-head games, the Ward/Kamara combo has totalled 40 points and 27 rebounds versus the Hayk/Salandra totals of 40 points and 15 boards. Looks like slight advantage Ursinus.

30% more playing time-yet rebounds and points are similar.  To have a slight advantage shouldn't their stats be 30% higher?
Statistics don't always tell the whole story.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 05, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
Were there enough fans to fully blanket even 3/4 of the court?  I would be impressed it there was a real court storming!  I see no problem with it when you beat a team at home that is a large favorite.  F&M fans should be pleased that their team is good enough to warrant a court storming.  Do you think anyone rushes the court when they beat McDaniel or Dickinson?

Marcus Denmon's quotation last night after Mizzou beat Kansas and he stopped students from running on the court was very telling: "We know Kansas is a great team but we're at home and we expect to win."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Marcus-Denmon-topples-Kansas-then-stops-a-court?urn=ncaab-wp8196&active_dimension=carousel_ept_sports_blog&ysp_frm_woah=1

The MC-F&M game was not a case, like the KU match-up, where the game was thought of as something close to a true toss up going into it, so I think they should be able to celebrate a bit.

That is an irrelevant link, comment ect in regards to rushing the court. Why in the heck would a team ranked top 5 rush the court after beating another top ranked team. It was logic and common sense to not rush the court- Would make Mizzou look like they didnt deserve or expect to beat KU. No ranked team should rush the court after beating another ranked team when your seperated by a ranking place or two. Especially in January.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 05, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
Were there enough fans to fully blanket even 3/4 of the court?  I would be impressed it there was a real court storming!  I see no problem with it when you beat a team at home that is a large favorite.  F&M fans should be pleased that their team is good enough to warrant a court storming.  Do you think anyone rushes the court when they beat McDaniel or Dickinson?

Marcus Denmon's quotation last night after Mizzou beat Kansas and he stopped students from running on the court was very telling: "We know Kansas is a great team but we're at home and we expect to win."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Marcus-Denmon-topples-Kansas-then-stops-a-court?urn=ncaab-wp8196&active_dimension=carousel_ept_sports_blog&ysp_frm_woah=1

The MC-F&M game was not a case, like the KU match-up, where the game was thought of as something close to a true toss up going into it, so I think they should be able to celebrate a bit.

That is an irrelevant link, comment ect in regards to rushing the court. Why in the heck would a team ranked top 5 rush the court after beating another top ranked team. It was logic and common sense to not rush the court- Would make Mizzou look like they didnt deserve or expect to beat KU. No ranked team should rush the court after beating another ranked team when your seperated by a ranking place or two. Especially in January.

Stats are for fans. Last month Kobe bryant had something like 4 straight games of 40 plus and they lost all four.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 08, 2012, 02:42:18 PM

Folks -

Here are my predictions for tonight's (2/8) "Pick-Ems" games:

Johns Hopkins over McDaniel
Dickinson over Muhlenberg
Washington over Swarthmore
Franklin And Marshall over Gettysburg
Haverford over Ursinus

Enjoy the games. Drive carefully. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 08, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
CC hoopster...please re-read my post before you call me nutz or idiotic....
i believe i said that muhlenberg is the only team "likely" to beat F&M and also that wixted is "a solid big". can other teams beat F&M...any team can but most are not likely to do it. like washington doing it...unlikely, i would say, but yes, they did it, and congrats to them.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 08, 2012, 10:08:57 PM
Swarthmore beats Washington tonight 84-78! Looked like a whole different team tonight! Great win!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Great win for Swarthmore.
F&M had a second ragged game.  Milligan struggled for most of the game until down the stretch when he came up with a key steal at 52-50 and scored an easy lay-up.  He preceded to hit his foul shots in the last minute.  Hayk had problems scoring as Gettysburg packed the paint and kept several bodies on him, so he was unable to maneuver.  Early and Salandra both came up with 12 points following only Milligan who had 13.  F&M played good defense as did Gettysburg.
The Bullets controlled the boards 36/30.  F&M held on to win 60-53 maintaining their defensive average.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
Some strange results today. Routs/Upsets
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 08, 2012, 11:06:32 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
Some strange results today. Routs/Upsets

I thought the Haverford-Ursinus score was a typo when I first saw it. Haverford winning doesn't surprise me, but by 41?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 09, 2012, 10:28:22 AM
Quote from: centfan on February 08, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
CC hoopster...please re-read my post before you call me nutz or idiotic....
i believe i said that muhlenberg is the only team "likely" to beat F&M and also that wixted is "a solid big". can other teams beat F&M...any team can but most are not likely to do it. like washington doing it...unlikely, i would say, but yes, they did it, and congrats to them.

Cent fan, with all respect, my words were meant towards the post no to be personal to you. I can see how you felt that way and I apologize if you took it as such, since it was not my intention. My apologies to CENTFAN I was saying it is nuts or idiotic to think noone else could beat F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 09, 2012, 10:45:12 AM
Swat - UC score makes Senior Day at Mayser at lot more interesting than previously planned... F&M was again flat last night and both Georgio and Hayk just did not have it... Hayk was in trouble from the get-go and has been getting out-muscled recently... Georgio, IMHO, is trying to do too much by himself and unless Porter and Beckford can keep pace, that threesome is somewaht dysfunctional... Everyone is packing the paint now and Salanadra and Early are the Dips' only answers... last nigth was a fortuante evening where a couple of buckets either way could have produced a different result...

I just gotta say it... UCHooligan... haven't heard from you today? 41 points to Haverford? Goldberg had a career night...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 09, 2012, 10:52:13 AM
Quote from: centfan on February 08, 2012, 12:04:02 AM
to me the only team that is likely to beat f&m in the playoffs is muhlenberg (who already has). and they are also the only team that is close to being even with f&m in talent but they are not as deep on the bench. dickinson seems like they would have an outside shot but they are not as athletic or talented. muhlenberg has good guards and a good big in liddic. curry is a very good defender and killing is dangerously quick and scores. liddic is the most reliable/consistent big in the conference in terms of both rebounding and scoring .he rarely has a weak or mediocre game. dickinson has a good point guard and a solid big in wixted but are not as talented, deep or as skilled as f&m. they do play very hard though. i don't see ursinus matching up well with f&m or muhlenberg, even though they actually beat muhlenberg (a surprise). killing had on off game and the ursinus guards shot much better than usual. the bears guards are not very athletic and the bigs don't match up great with salandra and hayk in the paint. kamara rebounds and ward scores but salandra and hayk can do both. krasna is a good point guard but the ursinus guards lack quickness, speed and size in comparison to f&m. milligan is the best guard in the conference when the money is on the line. he likes big games and performs well in crunch time. he is mentally tough. i think f&m or muhlenberg will win the conference when the playoffs come along unless some very strange fluke (which is possible) happens.

Centfan: I will try and rephrase this then....

1)"to me the only team that is likely to beat f&m in the playoffs is muhlenberg"- Why is that true? Mules are an unimpressive 8-7 in CC play????

2)Wixted is better than a "solid big". As a frosh, his numbers are a slim touch below Liddick and other bigs. He bullied Liddick around last night... freshman remember- he is more than solid, by far.

3) Again, why are your Mules the only team likely to beat F&M? I would add Dickinson to the list to beat F&M. 3 pt loss earlier this year, beat them at F&M on senior day last year and tight game in the CC Finals at F&M. Dickinson better this year than last. Remember, Mules are 8-7 in the CC, why all the credit to beat F&M.... Makes no sense.

4) You said, "they are also the only team that is close to being even with f&m in talent." If this were true, why are the Mules 8-7?

5) You said, "i think f&m or muhlenberg will win the conference when the playoffs come along unless some very strange fluke" so if an 8-7 team (mules) (or F&M) does not win, it's a fluke?

Nothing personal just fun debate, with respect in mind! Have a great day CC Fans!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 09, 2012, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 09, 2012, 10:52:13 AM
2)Wixted is better than a "solid big". As a frosh, his numbers are a slim touch below Liddick and other bigs. He bullied Liddick around last night... freshman remember- he is more than solid, by far.

3) Again, why are your Mules the only team likely to beat F&M? I would add Dickinson to the list to beat F&M. 3 pt loss earlier this year, beat them at F&M on senior day last year and tight game in the CC Finals at F&M. Dickinson better this year than last. Remember, Mules are 8-7 in the CC, why all the credit to beat F&M.... Makes no sense.

Even though he's a freshman, I think Wixted has a shot at being on the CC first team. He and Liddic are the two most complete post players in the conference, based on what I've seen this year.

I think any of the top 5 teams can beat F&M right now. Dickinson has probably played the best ball in the conference the past couple of weeks. It would not shock me to see the Devils beat F&M quite comfortably to close out the regular season and then win the conference title in Mayser the following weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2012, 11:24:53 AM
From what I see and read, Wixted seems to qualify for first team.  As of now, I have Liddic, Wixted, Breslin, and Milligan on my first team.  Still trying to pick a 5th player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 09, 2012, 07:57:10 PM
cchoopster
the record of dickinson and washington is because they play together
the record of muhlenberg is because they have chemistry problems
muhlenberg matches up with f and m better than any other team at each position in terms of talent
by the way, they are not my mules
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 09, 2012, 08:51:23 PM
was anyone at the ursinus vs haverford game? any reports?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 09, 2012, 09:02:00 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 05, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
Were there enough fans to fully blanket even 3/4 of the court?  I would be impressed it there was a real court storming!  I see no problem with it when you beat a team at home that is a large favorite.  F&M fans should be pleased that their team is good enough to warrant a court storming.  Do you think anyone rushes the court when they beat McDaniel or Dickinson?

Marcus Denmon's quotation last night after Mizzou beat Kansas and he stopped students from running on the court was very telling: "We know Kansas is a great team but we're at home and we expect to win."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Marcus-Denmon-topples-Kansas-then-stops-a-court?urn=ncaab-wp8196&active_dimension=carousel_ept_sports_blog&ysp_frm_woah=1

The MC-F&M game was not a case, like the KU match-up, where the game was thought of as something close to a true toss up going into it, so I think they should be able to celebrate a bit.

That is an irrelevant link, comment ect in regards to rushing the court. Why in the heck would a team ranked top 5 rush the court after beating another top ranked team. It was logic and common sense to not rush the court- Would make Mizzou look like they didnt deserve or expect to beat KU. No ranked team should rush the court after beating another ranked team when your seperated by a ranking place or two. Especially in January.

Stats are for fans. Last month Kobe bryant had something like 4 straight games of 40 plus and they lost all four.

The Lakers have won 75%+ of their games in which Kobe drops 40+ (an impressive 111 games).  They also didn't lose all of those games in January (but that is beside the point).  Stats being for fans may have been largely true fifteen years ago but that is definitely not the case anymore (for a surface view of this, check out Moneyball).  There is a large yearly conference at MIT on Sports Analytics that was mentioned in the SI article on MIT and Middlebury and the industry is quickly growing at the pro and college levels.  Even in D-III player efficiency and +/- stats strongly influence substitution patterns and playing time.  You do actually have to score to win but it is true that fans often concentrate too much on scoring stats and stats alone don't always tell the whole story. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 09, 2012, 09:31:48 PM
2/11/2012
Haverford over Dickinson
Washington over Gettysburg
JHU over Ursinus
Muhlenberg over McDaniel
F&M over Swat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 09, 2012, 09:59:25 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 05, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
Were there enough fans to fully blanket even 3/4 of the court?  I would be impressed it there was a real court storming!  I see no problem with it when you beat a team at home that is a large favorite.  F&M fans should be pleased that their team is good enough to warrant a court storming.  Do you think anyone rushes the court when they beat McDaniel or Dickinson?

Marcus Denmon's quotation last night after Mizzou beat Kansas and he stopped students from running on the court was very telling: "We know Kansas is a great team but we're at home and we expect to win."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Marcus-Denmon-topples-Kansas-then-stops-a-court?urn=ncaab-wp8196&active_dimension=carousel_ept_sports_blog&ysp_frm_woah=1

The MC-F&M game was not a case, like the KU match-up, where the game was thought of as something close to a true toss up going into it, so I think they should be able to celebrate a bit.

That is an irrelevant link, comment ect in regards to rushing the court. Why in the heck would a team ranked top 5 rush the court after beating another top ranked team. It was logic and common sense to not rush the court- Would make Mizzou look like they didnt deserve or expect to beat KU. No ranked team should rush the court after beating another ranked team when your seperated by a ranking place or two. Especially in January.

The post was more to convey that I'm all for letting the college kids have a little fun when it isn't completely inappropriate.   It was also to show the disparity in the league between F&M and Muhlenburg (and the others in the CC) that the teams and students seem to feel.  Despite some of the talk on the board about how anyone can beat anyone (which can occasionally happen, see Swarthmore beating Washington), even the team that may very well be the second most talented team in the league had their fans rush the court after beating F&M (and didn't have anyone trying to stop it like Mizzou). 

As for Missouri, the fans did the right thing but I would have thought about storming the court given they had just beaten a team that has won the league 7 straight times in the regular season, beaten them 5 times in a row and 10 of the last 11, and won what could reasonably be the last KU-Mizzou game at Missouri, a series that started in 1907, for at least the foreseeable future in a pretty crazy comeback.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 09, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
What do people think about F&M being only 5th in the regional rankings?  Looks like their strength of schedule hurt them but the CC sure isn't getting much respect.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 10, 2012, 07:09:15 AM
Not much you can do about the rankings; you just have to keep winning on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 10, 2012, 08:36:47 AM
Not too surprised at the #5 for F&M regionally - Mid Atlantic has been weaker than other regions for the past 3-4 years; Centennial, Landmark and MAC are all one team (if that) conferences and F&M's non-conference schedule is certainly having it impact now... Wins over Hobart and St. Mary's are their only hallmark wins this year and both of those teams are re-building as was F&M!?!? Frankly, I will not comment again until after the regular season is complete... Swat at home after their big win vs. Washington and then JHU and a hot Dickinson on the road before playoffs... Dips' defining character is still in the making especially after the Berg/Burg games...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 10, 2012, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 09, 2012, 09:59:25 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 05, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
Were there enough fans to fully blanket even 3/4 of the court?  I would be impressed it there was a real court storming!  I see no problem with it when you beat a team at home that is a large favorite.  F&M fans should be pleased that their team is good enough to warrant a court storming.  Do you think anyone rushes the court when they beat McDaniel or Dickinson?

Marcus Denmon's quotation last night after Mizzou beat Kansas and he stopped students from running on the court was very telling: "We know Kansas is a great team but we're at home and we expect to win."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Marcus-Denmon-topples-Kansas-then-stops-a-court?urn=ncaab-wp8196&active_dimension=carousel_ept_sports_blog&ysp_frm_woah=1

The MC-F&M game was not a case, like the KU match-up, where the game was thought of as something close to a true toss up going into it, so I think they should be able to celebrate a bit.

That is an irrelevant link, comment ect in regards to rushing the court. Why in the heck would a team ranked top 5 rush the court after beating another top ranked team. It was logic and common sense to not rush the court- Would make Mizzou look like they didnt deserve or expect to beat KU. No ranked team should rush the court after beating another ranked team when your seperated by a ranking place or two. Especially in January.

The post was more to convey that I'm all for letting the college kids have a little fun when it isn't completely inappropriate.   It was also to show the disparity in the league between F&M and Muhlenburg (and the others in the CC) that the teams and students seem to feel.  Despite some of the talk on the board about how anyone can beat anyone (which can occasionally happen, see Swarthmore beating Washington), even the team that may very well be the second most talented team in the league had their fans rush the court after beating F&M (and didn't have anyone trying to stop it like Mizzou). 

As for Missouri, the fans did the right thing but I would have thought about storming the court given they had just beaten a team that has won the league 7 straight times in the regular season, beaten them 5 times in a row and 10 of the last 11, and won what could reasonably be the last KU-Mizzou game at Missouri, a series that started in 1907, for at least the foreseeable future in a pretty crazy comeback.

Point taken and respected, DDM! I just feel strong that it sends a different message (maybe I am thinking too much as a player and not as a fan). My feeling is simply when your a top program like MU is this year, you should expect to beat teams like KU and while yes it is special, act like you expected to be in that position after the game, with the win. When VA Weslyan was #1 early this year and Salisbury beat them, that deserved a court storming in my opinion. Mules I guess should have rushed the court earlier this year.... their a 5th place team who beat the #1 team in the league while they are a middle of the road team in the CC trying to hold on to a playoff spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 10, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
Was the last CC tourney not held at F&M in 08, at Ursinus?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 10, 2012, 09:25:28 AM
07-08 season was won by Ursinus, so they would have held the play-offs
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 10, 2012, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 10, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
Was the last CC tourney not held at F&M in 08, at Ursinus?

Yes. Since 2004, when the #1 seed began hosting both semifinals and the semis and championship were played back-to-back days, the hosts have been as follows:
Source: http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/Guide/43-48-Honors-Standings.pdf

2004 F&M
2005 F&M
2006 Ursinus
2007 Johns Hopkins
2008 Ursinus
2009 F&M
2010 F&M
2011 F&M

Oddly, the three years that F&M didn't host (06-08), the Diplomats did not make the playoffs. The last Centennial Conference Tournament game F&M has played on the road was the 2003 Championship Game at Ursinus. That is one of only three Centennial Tournament games the Diplomats have ever played away from Mayser - (1998 semifinal @ Muhlenberg and 1995 championship at Muhlenberg). F&M is 0-3 all-time on the road in the Centennial Tournament ... and 17-5 at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 10, 2012, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: sunny on February 10, 2012, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 10, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
Was the last CC tourney not held at F&M in 08, at Ursinus?

Yes. Since 2004, when the #1 seed began hosting both semifinals and the semis and championship were played back-to-back days, the hosts have been as follows:
Source: http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/Guide/43-48-Honors-Standings.pdf

2004 F&M
2005 F&M
2006 Ursinus
2007 Johns Hopkins
2008 Ursinus
2009 F&M
2010 F&M
2011 F&M

Oddly, the three years that F&M didn't host (06-08), the Diplomats did not make the playoffs. The last Centennial Conference Tournament game F&M has played on the road was the 2003 Championship Game at Ursinus. That is one of only three Centennial Tournament games the Diplomats have ever played - (1998 semifinal @ Muhlenberg and 1995 championship at Muhlenberg). F&M is 0-3 all-time on the road in the Centennial Tournament ... and 17-5 at home.

Good stuff, thanks Sunny!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 10, 2012, 10:49:41 AM
Here is an article that I thought you guys may like to read about Louis Sarris-Grau from McDaniel. 

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/sports/colleges/mcdaniel/men-s-basketball-mcdaniel-s-sarris-grau-a-terror-on/article_f00cc97b-ebb9-5a54-9376-d1569a0a0c21.html




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 10, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 09, 2012, 08:51:23 PM
was anyone at the ursinus vs haverford game? any reports?

Centfan,

Sorry for the late post---I am still recovering from the Patriots loss on Sunday and Ursinus'
Brutal performance on Wednesday.  Not a good week. Ursinus played with no heart and Haverford did.  The Bears were horrible on both ends of the court.  They had no answer for Goldberg who was terrific. He had 20 points at the half and 32 for the game.  Haverford played extremely well on both ends of the court. Haverford shot 54 percent from the floor including 54 percent from 3
(12/22).  That coupled with 25 turnovers by the Bears kinda says it all.  The only Bear who showed any fight at all was Kamara with a couple of monster dunks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 10, 2012, 12:10:46 PM
Would someone mind describing what goes into the Regional Rankings and their importance to NCAA selection?  I am only vaguely familiar with them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 10, 2012, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 10, 2012, 12:10:46 PM
Would someone mind describing what goes into the Regional Rankings and their importance to NCAA selection?  I am only vaguely familiar with them.

Try this http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/playoff-primer-pool-b-pool-c/

And this http://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2012, 01:51:00 PM
The second link that Sunny provided addresses how regional rankings are determined.  The last two questions in that FAQ provide the criteria that the NCAA selection committees use to rank teams and the formula that underlies the strength-of-schedule calculation.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 10, 2012, 04:23:06 PM

Folks -

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's (Saturday, February 11) "Pick-Ems" games, assuming that the forecasted bad weather permits them to be played:

Dickinson over Haverford (might be close but edge to the stronger team)
Washington over Gettysburg (Shoremen rebound from tough loss)
Johns Hopkins over Ursinus (home court edge)
Muhlenberg over McDaniel (game is at the Mule Barn where home officiating rules)
Franklin And Marshall over Swarthmore (Senior Day)

Travel safely in the weather. Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 10, 2012, 04:34:05 PM

Folks -

The following is the listing of the remaining regular season "Pick-Ems" games in the Centennial Conference:

Wednesday, February 15, 2011:

Swarthmore @ McDaniel
Franklin And Marshall @ Johns Hopkins
Ursinus @ Washington College
Muhlenberg @ Haverford
Dickinson @ Gettysburg

Saturday, February 18, 2011:

Gettysburg @ McDaniel
Muhlenberg @ Ursinus
Johns Hopkins @ Washington College
Haverford @ Swarthmore
Franklin And Marshall @ Dickinson

Please remember that all predictions are due by tip-off time on the days of the games. Good luck!

I will post updated standings later on today or sometime tomorrow. Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 10, 2012, 07:43:31 PM
Out of curiosity, I looked at what F&M's WP and SOS numbers would be (as of the latest ranking) if they could choose to ignore certain wins.  From a SOS perspective, I believe their most damaging wins are the Oneonta games, at Swarthmore, and McDaniel at home.  Without those games, I think their SOS would rise from .449 to .502, while their WP would drop from .905 to .882.  These new numbers would stack up favorably against Mary Washington (.506 SOS, .778 WP) and Lycoming (.508 SOS, .789 WP).  Of course, if those teams could also ignore wins, each could raise their SOS a decent amount, but the cost to their WP would be greater than F&M's cost.  Even ignoring just 2 wins would lower their WP more than F&M ignoring 4 wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on February 11, 2012, 01:52:09 AM
Dickinson over Haverford
Washington College over Gettysburg
Johns Hopkins over Ursinus
Muhlenberg over McDaniel
Franklin and Marshall over Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 11, 2012, 08:26:20 AM
big game for the mules today after the tough loss at dickinson. go mules! uc hooligan, what the heck is going on in collegeville?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 11, 2012, 09:31:33 AM
thanks, gabriel, for your take on ursinus/haverford. big day today for the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 11, 2012, 06:34:52 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 09, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
What do people think about F&M being only 5th in the regional rankings?  Looks like their strength of schedule hurt them but the CC sure isn't getting much respect.


I'm not surprised at all. It seems an annual rite of passage. F&M does need to improve its out-of-conference schedule, do a bit of traveling and take on some better teams than St. Mary's of Maryland. They have to know that until they do that, they will find themselves regionally ranked behind teams that are unranked nationally. It seems to be the trend every year these past several.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 11, 2012, 07:47:54 PM
Despite a physical defense by Swarthmore, F&M eased to victory on Senior Day. Number 22 for Swarthmore must be a lover, because he was hugging everyone he covered. With McNally, Baker, and Tolliver in the house, the current team showed them what they are capable of doing.  Even though F&M covered Gates tightly, he lead all scores hitting some tough 3-point shots.  Porter played good defense on Gates until he got into foul trouble.  Milligan lead F&M's scoring with 20 points, followed by Gyokchyan with 15.  Early, Brewer, and Lee provided some key minutes.  Swarthmore closed the gap somewhat in the last minutes as Robinson tried to get all the seniors some extended playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 11, 2012, 08:31:06 PM

Folks -

I have updated the "Pick-Ems Games" standings. The standings now include this week's (Wednesday and today) games. They are as follows:

NAME                RECENT GAMES   TO DATE           PERCENTAGE         
Gusthegoose          7 – 3     34 – 13                  .723
centfan                       6 – 4     46 – 19                  .708
Diplomaniac1          8 – 2     50 – 22                  .694
Reserved Seat          7 – 3     48 – 23                  .676
D. B. Cooper          7 – 3     36 – 23                  .610
Gabriel                       7 – 3     38 – 27                  .585
UCHooligan98          0 – 0     37 – 28                  .569
oldends                       0 – 0       0 – 0                  .000
Wild10                       0 – 0       0 – 0                  .000

Standings through Saturday, February 11, 2012. (Includes the games of Wednesday, February 8 and Saturday, February 11).

As you can see, everyone had a pretty good week with similar results. So, not too much changed other than the spread at the top tightening a bit! UC - please send me your results and I will revise. Everyone else, please double check for errors or omissions on my part. If you find anything let me know and I will gladly correct.

Congrats to the Diplomats! See you all in Mayser Center in about two weeks!

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bullets on February 11, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
Great day at Gettysburg today. Petrie breaks win record and most of all Cory Wiesmann returned to the court for the first time since his freshman year. He suffered a stroke after his first season.

Coach Nugent from Washington did a very classy thing by fouling him with a few seconds left giving him a shot to make a free throw. He missed the first and made the second!! It was a very emotional day for the bullets.

Coach Nugent, I commend you and thank you for being a stand-up person and so gracious in what you and your team did for Cory today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 12, 2012, 12:11:47 PM
I am a consumer reporter who graduated from Franklin and Marshall.  I hope to be back for the Centennial Conference tournament.  I just joined the site can anyone get me up to date on the latest news from the conference.  I may write a story while at the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 12, 2012, 01:13:29 PM
Well done Coach Nugent! This puts everything into perspective. Cory, I don't know you and had never heard of you. However, what an inspiration! I hope you have a wonderful life and your dreams come true. This is why I love DIII hoop.

Reserved Seat - thanks for the update. Watching a game on computer means you don't get a feel for the game. #22 is a senior and maybe a tad frustrated on the season. Thank you again for the kind words about Swarthmore. I wish they had given you more of a game but glad they played yesterday instead of holding it the whole shot clock and not taking a good shot. Good luck the rest of the season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 12, 2012, 04:44:25 PM
Echoing SwatDad's sentiments, kudos to Coach's Nugent and Breslin for a classy move for such a special player... Only in DIII does this kind a magic happen... Good luck, Cory... Comeback POY???
Swat Dad, your crew did not give up at all yesterday... Gates was deadly and was just in the zone most of the afternoon... Dip's Senior Day had a big crowd and they just looked better than efforts vs. Berg/Burg... Your new coach seems to have made a nice transition in order to get the boys not to just mail that one in... Your underclassmen look good and should provide promise for the future..
Next week will be a good test for Dips... Hopkins and Dickinson on road... need wins for a possible at-large if necessary... Looking forward to the play for #3-4-5 spots in two weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2012, 05:07:47 PM
Quote from: Omahamike on February 12, 2012, 12:11:47 PM
I am a consumer reporter who graduated from Franklin and Marshall.  I hope to be back for the Centennial Conference tournament.  I just joined the site can anyone get me up to date on the latest news from the conference.  I may write a story while at the tourney.

Welcome -- what does a consumer reporter do?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2012, 09:42:57 PM
Close games
No. 2 Middlebury    wins by 2         
No. 3 Virginia Wesleyan wins by 2   
No. 4 UW-Whitewater losses by 2
No. 5 MIT wins by 3
No. 6 Amherst losses by 2

Regional losses
No. 3 Lycoming
No. 4 Mary Washington

This should help F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 13, 2012, 10:44:19 AM
here's wishing cory weissman a healthy and happy life ahead. amidst teams competing for playoff spots we find a kid who faced a very rough challenge and has struggled to get back to life and school. congrats cory and much luck to you in years ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 13, 2012, 11:04:26 AM
RS:

Also Keystone's loss to GMC isn't included yet. Plus this week they are supposed to include credit for wins against regionally ranked teams (SMC & Miseri, ? Hobart). Which based on the apparent disdain for Dips schedule might raise them up to # 4. But if they lose to either JHC or Dickinson it will back to the woodshed and be placed at 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2012, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 13, 2012, 11:04:26 AM
RS:

Also Keystone's loss to GMC isn't included yet. Plus this week they are supposed to include credit for wins against regionally ranked teams (SMC & Miseri, ? Hobart). Which based on the apparent disdain for Dips schedule might raise them up to # 4. But if they lose to either JHC or Dickinson it will back to the woodshed and be placed at 8.

Keystone will have 2 additional regional losses this week.  They probably will move down.  I just don't know how far and I'm not sure if F&M will move up at all, even if they should be ranked higher.

Also quite an emotional story out of Gettysburg.  Give credit to that young man that he even got in the game, much less the opportunity to get a point.  Great job on the part of Washington College.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2012, 09:15:10 PM
Worth a read: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/02/whyd3-classy-move-aids-weissmans-return (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/02/whyd3-classy-move-aids-weissmans-return)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 13, 2012, 10:09:47 PM
Final regular season picks


Wednesday, February 15, 2011:
McDaniel
Franklin And Marshall
Washington College
Muhlenberg
Dickinson

Saturday, February 18, 2011:
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Washington College
Haverford
Franklin And Marshall
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 14, 2012, 07:49:21 AM
thanks dave for the article on cory. truly a special story.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 14, 2012, 08:23:35 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 13, 2012, 10:09:47 PM
Final regular season picks


Wednesday, February 15, 2011:
McDaniel
Franklin And Marshall
Washington College
Muhlenberg
Dickinson

Saturday, February 18, 2011:
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg
Washington College
Haverford
Franklin And Marshall


Alright ditto for me with the picks.  Looks like fun.

A consumer reporter looks at how effective a product works.  We just did a great report on whether a glass cleaner left streaks or not.  It was quite fascinating.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 14, 2012, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2012, 09:15:10 PM
Worth a read: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/02/whyd3-classy-move-aids-weissmans-return (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/02/whyd3-classy-move-aids-weissmans-return)


That is a great story. What a tremendous job by Weissman to recover in such a way, by Gettysburg's program to have him start Senior Day, and by Washington's coaching staff for their classy moves both at the beginning and end of the game. It makes me proud of the Centennial Conference. This is what it is all about.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 14, 2012, 03:26:23 PM

Omahamike -

Welcome aboard and welcome to the "Pick-Ems". I have noted your selections.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 14, 2012, 03:33:21 PM

Folks -

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's (Wednesday, Febraury 15, 2011) "Pick-Ems" Games:

McDaniel over Swarthmore (Terror gets the home court edge over improving Garnet)
Franklin And Marshall over Johns Hopkins (Diplomats win a tight one in Baltimore)
Washington over Ursinus (its hard for a road team to win in Chestertown)
Muhlenberg over Haverford (even though Mules somtimes struggle on the road)
Dickinson over Gettsburg (Devils continue late season surge)

I hope to make the trek to Baltimore tomorrow night to see the Diplomats battle the Blue Jays in Goldfarb! Enjoy the games. Regards to all. Travel safely!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 14, 2012, 03:58:47 PM
Picks:

McDaNIEL (hard to judge but are at home)
F&M (steel cage match likely, dips likely to throw in clunker this week I'm leaning to @ Carlisle)
Washington (rights ship now)
Haverfords (Squirrels playng well lately, do or be gone in this fierce one)
G-burg (upset, projectiles firing well lately, backs against the wall)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 14, 2012, 04:04:22 PM
Thank you for the welcome Eric and Pat.  I hope to see you at the conference tournament. I am trying to get my bosses to approve a consumer report while there. More details to come.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 14, 2012, 06:00:10 PM
Picks

Wednesday 2/15
McDaniel over Swat
F&M over JHU
Ursinus over Washington
Haverford over Muhlenberg
Dickinson over Gettysburg

Saturday 2/18
McDaniel over Gettysburg
Ursinus over Muhlenberg
Washinton College over JHU
Haverford over Swat
Dickinson over F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 15, 2012, 08:46:17 AM
wednesday
mcdaniel over swat
f&m over hopkins
washingon over ursinus
haverford over muhlenberg
dickinson over gettysburg

saturday
gettysburg over mcdaniel
muhlenberg over ursinus
hopkins over washington
haverford over swat
f&m over dickinson

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on February 15, 2012, 12:48:45 PM
McDaniel over Swarthmore
Franklin and Marshall over Johns Hopkins
Washington College over Ursinus
Muhlenberg over Haverford
Dickinson over Gettysburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 15, 2012, 08:15:00 PM
Watching the F&M and JHU game on the web... What a bunch of classless fans at Hopkins who are chanting "USA, USA, USA" while Hayk Gyokchyan is taking foul shots... Nice to see the diversity classes are completely empty at such a prestigious university... Very disappointing...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 15, 2012, 09:53:39 PM
Just watched the end of the WC / UC game. Wow. Just wow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2012, 10:20:30 PM
The Hopkins' fans seemed to have an identity problem--there was a chicken/canary,an oriole, a penguin, and some unknown bird, but no blue jays.  Hopkins has a nice team consisting of a load(34), some quickness, some skilled shooters and a thug(33).  Milligan played a terrific game despite being constantly hounded.  He finished with 27 points, while Early had a career high with 24 points.  Porter continued his outstanding defense.  Hayk had difficulty with trying to make his moves  under the basket due to the presence of the 6' 10" big man.  All in all it was a very entertaining game in Baltimore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 15, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: fritzdis on February 15, 2012, 09:53:39 PM
Just watched the end of the WC / UC game. Wow. Just wow.

A good win in Chestertown, but Ursinus has been eliminated from the playoff picture, according to the UC website.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 16, 2012, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: oftdip on February 15, 2012, 08:15:00 PM
Watching the F&M and JHU game on the web... What a bunch of classless fans at Hopkins who are chanting "USA, USA, USA" while Hayk Gyokchyan is taking foul shots... Nice to see the diversity classes are completely empty at such a prestigious university... Very disappointing...

Same thing happened on Saturday at the JHU/Ursinus game.  "The Boys" were even more vulgar and did not represent JHU well.  They drew the attention of someone who appeared to be an AD or assistant and a security officer.  Talking to them did no good.  Not a good display of sportsmanship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 16, 2012, 12:23:56 PM
Final regular season picks:

McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Washington
Haverford (race is not always to the mighty or the swift, but that is how to bet)
Dickinson (typical game for Dips not to be ready for tough Devils greater urgency, Prize for this loss could be a weekend in Middlebury, Amherst or Ashland, VA)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 16, 2012, 12:33:36 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 16, 2012, 12:23:56 PM
Final regular season picks:

McDaniel
Muhlenberg
Washington
Haverford (race is not always to the mighty or the swift, but that is how to bet)
Dickinson (typical game for Dips not to be ready for tough Devils greater urgency, Prize for this loss could be a weekend in Middlebury, Amherst or Ashland, VA)


I could see that, especially Dickinson. It would kind of figure that F&M would end up playing in New England the one year we probably won't be able to go see them. My wife is due in just over 3 weeks, and we live in north-central Massachusetts. Made the trip to Kings Point a few years ago, but this would be ridiculously convenient.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 16, 2012, 12:39:33 PM
We were at the Bears, Hopkins game on this past Saturday the 11th,(senior day for them), and the student section for the most part was just typical student section antics. A couple boarderline remarks but most were just entertaining and loud, so I tend to disagree with the previous remarks on here about them. Its actually good to see student support of a team at homes games, something I can't claim for the Bears at home this year.  I will say the previous week we were at the Bears/ Dickinson game @ Dickinson and that student section was as rude, classless, and obscene a student section that I've ever seen or played in front of personally at a gym. Among many, one of the most offensive was 2 or 3 different students at points, when most in the gym were quiet, singling out a specific Bear player by name and yelling that he sucks. In other words, first name, last name then "sucks". Over and over again, during both halfs of the game without anyone from Dickinson saying a word. Most in the Bears crowd who heard it all commented afterwards and a few wrote letters, (including I) to Dickinson Athletics and the school itself. I personally have yet to hear from anyone at Dickinson which is classless and a crime for such a "scholastic institution" with their rep. This Ursinus player targeted had both parents, both grandmothers and other friends and relatives at this game. Truly a shame that this is considered acceptable behavior at Dickinson. On a happier note, Great win last night by the Bears, a total team effort , and a great finish!! Congrats to the Bears!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2012, 01:00:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 16, 2012, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: oftdip on February 15, 2012, 08:15:00 PM
Watching the F&M and JHU game on the web... What a bunch of classless fans at Hopkins who are chanting "USA, USA, USA" while Hayk Gyokchyan is taking foul shots... Nice to see the diversity classes are completely empty at such a prestigious university... Very disappointing...

Same thing happened on Saturday at the JHU/Ursinus game.  "The Boys" were even more vulgar and did not represent JHU well.  They drew the attention of someone who appeared to be an AD or assistant and a security officer.  Talking to them did no good.  Not a good display of sportsmanship.

Hopkins' game
Same behavior last night.  Security talked to them and then they mocked him when he turned his back.
They were almost on the court.  If anyone would have tried to save a ball from going out of bounds, they wouldn't have been able to reach it would out being interfered.

Dickinson cheer
Typical from past years experiences.
I'll hear what they say this year on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 16, 2012, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 16, 2012, 12:23:56 PM
Dickinson (typical game for Dips not to be ready for tough Devils greater urgency, Prize for this loss could be a weekend in Middlebury, Amherst or Ashland, VA)

I don't disagree with this (a chance to knock off F&M is sufficient motivation), but Dickinson may not have anything to play for as far as the playoffs are concerned, depending on how tiebreakers are applied.  Here's my take on the situation:

Dickinson L, Muhlenberg W, and Johns Hopkins W would put all three at 11-7.  Each is 1-1 against both of the others.  Muhlenberg is 1-1 against F&M, while Dickinson and Hopkins would be 0-2, so Muhlenberg would be the #2 seed.  Dickinson is 2-0 against Washington (#5 seed in this scenario), while Hopkins would be 1-1.  If Gettysburg beats McDaniel, however, they would have the same record as Washington.  Hopkins is 2-0 vs. Gettysburg, and Dickinson is 1-1.  Washington would win the tiebreaker over Gettysburg by virtue of a better record against F&M, but the question is whether this tiebreaker is already applied when breaking the tie between Dickinson and Hopkins.

If Washington is considered ahead of Gettysburg for the purpose of breaking the tie between Dickinson and Hopkins, Dickinson would be the #3 seed, getting a first round bye.

If Washington and Gettysburg are considered tied for the purpose of breaking the tie between Dickinson and Hopkins, the tie would eventually be decided by Hopkins' 2-0 record over Haverford, compared to Dickinson's 1-1 mark.  This would make Dickinson the #4 seed, requiring them to play the first round game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2012, 03:08:18 PM
FYI: Coach George Petrie, Cory Weissman, and Coach Rob Nugent will all appear on Hoopsville tonight. The show starts at 7:30 PM EST tonight... but their segment will be closer to 8:30 PM.

To listen to the show, go to www.d3hoopsville.com (http://www.d3hoopsville.com)
You can also follow us on Twitter: www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #hoopsville
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Email us: hoopsville@d3hoops.com

See you tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2012, 10:45:55 PM
If you missed tonight's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) show, the archive is already available: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb16-show (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb16-show)

Segment is around 1:05 into the show and lasts for about 30 minutes.

Thanks to all of those at Gettysburg and Washington who involved in getting this on the air, including SIDs Braden Snyder and Phil Ticknor. Also, special thanks to Coaches George Petrie and Rob Nugent... and especially Cory Weissman. Thank you for sharing your story.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 16, 2012, 11:26:47 PM
dear coco,
after all the documented rude and juvenile comments you have posted on this site (most of them aimed at me), your commentary on bad student behavior is hilarious. while i don't doubt that the dickinson fans were acting poorly, somehow you being the one to whine about it robs the comment of credibility. on another more important note,i still want to play you one on one full court and pressure you from baseline to baseline. will you consider it? i have located a court and i feel that many players in the centennial conference would enjoy watching you show off your basketball acumen.i will write the press release and do the invitations.i am also in the process of arranging live video. do you have a photo of yourself before you got cut from JV? i would like to include it along with your stats in a brochure i am designing. let me know. congratulations on your season on the board here!!! you did a great and thorough job of sharing your "insights" with us all.
your pal,
centfan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 18, 2012, 07:30:42 AM
Centfan that might make a great halftime show at the tournament next week.  Good luck!

Back to work on my consumer report on whether or not that Ron Popeil instant hair spray works. I had lost all my hair in a consumer report accident.  Anyway report at 11!

How are my picks doing?

Also I enjoyed Hoopsville this week.  That host is very entertaining and informative.  Thank you D3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 18, 2012, 10:31:53 AM

Folks -

Here are my "Pick-Ems Games" selections for this afternoon's games:

Gettysburg over McDaniel
Muhlenberg over Ursinus
Johns Hopkins over Washington
Haverford over Swarthmore
Franklin And Marshall over Dickinson

I am uncomfortable picking all road winners!

Good luck to all. Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on February 18, 2012, 01:36:46 PM
Gettysburg over McDaniel
Ursinus ober Muhlenberg
Washington College over Johns Hopkins
Haverford over Swarthmore
Franklin and Marshall over Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 18, 2012, 02:39:38 PM
I'm gonna jump into this late as well:

McDaniel over Gettysburg
Muhlenberg over Ursinus
Washington College over Johns Hopkins
Haverford over Swarthmore
Franklin and Marshall over Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 18, 2012, 06:05:30 PM
F&M over Dickinson, 63-53 in Carlisle before what looked like a packed house at the Kline Center.

Congrats to Gerogio Milligan on becoming the all-time scoring leader in F&M history, passing former teammate James McNally. Incredible to see a record that stood for 30 years (held by Donnie Marsh) broken two straight seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 18, 2012, 08:21:34 PM
It was a wonderful atmosphere at Dickinson.  The Devils have a very enthusiastic student following which was mostly positive in their support of their team.  Only a few instance of on called for behavior, especially one buffoon during the National Anthem and his school's wonderful renditon of the anthem and the 'redmen's' mockery of the referees.
Millign lead an early onslaught as F&M built a 21-2 lead before watching most of it evaporate before the half.  After the half, Honig(14 points) hit several long-range threes which tied or kept the score close.  The Devils tied the score several times in the second half, but were never able to take the lead.  Milligan passed McNally for all-time leading scorer, which he now leads by 11 points after scoring 26 points. Salandra added a tough 13 points and Gyokchyan 10. The rest of the team struggled to score.  Dickinson played a very physical defense.  My only concern is their tendency to undercut players, which could lead to injury as it did with McNally last year. Wixted plays aggressive on both ends of the court and ended up with 18 points. He will be a force for the next 3 years/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 19, 2012, 09:33:50 AM
congrats to spencer liddic...another strong game, and double double in his dominance against ursinus in his last season game before playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 19, 2012, 01:40:14 PM
Ditto to Reserved Seat's take on the Dickinson-F&M clash. Two very athletic teams that went nose to nose all 40 minutes. Dickinson should be proud of their fan support - yes, a couple of off-key moves, but for a fan base that was on "double secret probation", they produced in size and volume... Conference needs more Saturday afternoon atmospheres like yesterday in Carlisle...
Milligan was vintage especially when the Devils got close each time... Congrats on the record; have had the pleasure of knowing all three recent record holders at F&M and he is deserved of their company... Officiating was a C...again... Too many non-calls on the undercuts and over-the-backs while several 'assume' calls on drives that got big men in trouble...
Should be a fun weekend at Mayser!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 19, 2012, 02:31:17 PM
Congrats to Swarthmore for a season ending victory against their biggest rival! It was their best game of the year and showed maybe they have something to build on next year. The starting five are back and hopefully the coaching decision will be made soon. They finally played agressive on offense and attacked the basket the whole game. I have been waiting to see this for three years!

On another note, when does the all conference team come out?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 19, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
thanks omahamike...i am trying to make arrangements but haven't heard back from coco yet. i will keep you informed. happy trails.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 20, 2012, 08:21:24 AM
My predictions this week are Washington wins play in game and then loses to the diplomats in the semi .  Then mules win their semis and lose to the diplomats in saturdays championship. Also I predict that all of you will watch my consumer report tonight at 11 about high gas prices.  Think about that issue as you drive to Mayser gym this Friday . 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 20, 2012, 10:55:13 AM
Wednesday-John Hopkins

Friday-Muhlenberg
         F&M

Omahamike, on what station is your consumer report featured?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 20, 2012, 04:44:18 PM
Picks

Wednesday
JHU over Washington

Friday
Muhlenberg over Dickinson
F&M over JHU

Saturday
F&M over Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 20, 2012, 06:57:47 PM

Folks -

The following are the updated "Pick-Ems Games" standings for the second half of the regular season (through and including Saturday's games):

NAME                   RECENT GAMES         TO DATE   PERCENTAGE         

Diplomaniac1            6 – 4          56 – 26       .683
Centfan                         4 – 6          50 – 25       .667
Gusthegoose            4 – 6          38 – 19       .667
Reserved Seat            5 – 5          53 – 28       .654
njf1003                         3 – 2             3 – 2       .600
D. B. Cooper            5 – 5          41 – 28       .594
UCHooligan98            0 – 0          37 – 28       .569
Gabriel                         3 – 7          41 – 34       .547
Omahamike            5 – 5             5 – 5       .500
oldends                         0 – 0             0 – 0       .000
Wild10                         0 – 0             0 – 0       .000

Above standings are through Saturday, February 18, 2012. (Includes the regular season games of Wednesday, February 15, 2012 and Saturday, February 18, 2012).

Please double check the above to make sure I haven't made any errors or missed anything. The standings are not yet finalized. UCHooligan98 - please let me know what your final record was and I will be happy to update. I won't finalize until everyone has a chance to review and until I receive UCH's results. The combined second half record for all of us was 324 - 195 (.624) - not too bad!

Welcome to our two new prognosticating participants - njf1003 and Omahamike. Enjoy!

I will post the updated overall standings to date for both halves of the season combined later this week. I will also be listing the Conference Tournament games for selections shortly. Finally, if any of you are planning to visit Mayser Center this coming Friday and Saturday, be sure to say hello. I normally sit three or four rows up near mid-court opposite from the team benches.

Enjoy the remaining games. Regards to all! See you at Mayser.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 20, 2012, 07:06:19 PM

Folks -

Here are the Centennial Conference Tournament Games for a little bit of post-season "Pick-Ems" Fun:

Wednesday, February 22, 2012:

Washington @ Johns Hopkins

Friday, February 24, 2012:

Muhlenberg vs. Dickinson (@ Mayser Center)
Franklin And Marshall vs. Johns Hopkins/Washington Winner (@ Mayser Center)

I will post championship match-up on Friday night or Saturday morning. Remember, all selections are due by tip-off times on the days of the games. Enjoy. Good Luck! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 20, 2012, 07:10:11 PM
picks

Play-in

Washington over JHU

Semis

F&M over Play-in winner
Dickinson over Muhls (Tough defense over braun & size)

F&m loses to Dickinson/ M-berg winner to try for the fun trip to Amherst/Middlebury or Hope
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 20, 2012, 08:56:05 PM
I'm going with F&M over the Muhls for the championship.

I hope the league does the right thing and make Georgio and Liddic co-MVP's.  They both deserve it after having brilliant years and careers!

So my picks

First team: GM, SL, KB, GW, and HG
Second team: JW, WG, MK, IG, and AZ
Honorable mention: AH, CB, LS-G, a Hopkins player and one other.

I am sure about GM, SL, and KB - could go with any second teamers as first team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 20, 2012, 11:56:33 PM
JHU over Washington in First Round

Dickinson over Muhlenburg (I guess...tough one here)
F&M over JHU/Washington winner

I'll post my prediction for the final based on the semi results.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 21, 2012, 12:20:24 AM
play-in
hopkins over washington
semis
f&m over hopkins
muhlenberg over dickinson
final
f&m over muhlenberg

first team:
GM,IG,KB,GW,SL
second team
AH,MK,AZ,HG,JW
honorable mention
WG,CB,LS-G,JS,GB
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2012, 09:50:34 AM
First team
Milligan
Liddic
Breslin
Wixted
Goldberg

Second team
Gates
Ward
Zurn
Honig
Baker

Honorable Mention
Gyokchyan
Salandra
Sarris-Grau
Killing
Bugarinovic

Seemed like Hopkins needed someone.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 21, 2012, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 20, 2012, 08:56:05 PM
I'm going with F&M over the Muhls for the championship.

I hope the league does the right thing and make Georgio and Liddic co-MVP's.  They both deserve it after having brilliant years and careers!

So my picks

First team: GM, SL, KB, GW, and HG
Second team: JW, WG, MK, IG, and AZ
Honorable mention: AH, CB, LS-G, a Hopkins player and one other.

I am sure about GM, SL, and KB - could go with any second teamers as first team.

I largely agree with you.  I'd like to put your son on the 2nd team because that is where he is as an overall player (I hope he gets the nod there), but I think HM may be likely due to the team's record, his shooting %, and his slightly lower point, %, and rebound numbers in the CC versus non-conference games.  I predict he could have a very big senior year depending on the coaching situation.  Gates and Goldberg could lead Swat and HC to significantly better seasons next year depending on who they are able to bring in.

As for the playoff matchups, I am hoping for an upset or two.  I think if a CC team other than F&M wins the league, we could actually get two teams out of the first round of the NCAAs (probably not out of the first weekend though).  I really can't see any of the top teams nationally wanting to play F&M if they end up seeded poorly, especially given their experience.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 21, 2012, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: ddm1027 on February 21, 2012, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 20, 2012, 08:56:05 PM
I'm going with F&M over the Muhls for the championship.

I hope the league does the right thing and make Georgio and Liddic co-MVP's.  They both deserve it after having brilliant years and careers!

So my picks

First team: GM, SL, KB, GW, and HG
Second team: JW, WG, MK, IG, and AZ
Honorable mention: AH, CB, LS-G, a Hopkins player and one other.

I am sure about GM, SL, and KB - could go with any second teamers as first team.

I largely agree with you.  I'd like to put your son on the 2nd team because that is where he is as an overall player (I hope he gets the nod there), but I think HM may be likely due to the team's record, his shooting %, and his slightly lower point, %, and rebound numbers in the CC versus non-conference games.  I predict he could have a very big senior year depending on the coaching situation.  Gates and Goldberg could lead Swat and HC to significantly better seasons next year depending on who they are able to bring in.

As for the playoff matchups, I am hoping for an upset or two.  I think if a CC team other than F&M wins the league, we could actually get two teams out of the first round of the NCAAs (probably not out of the first weekend though).  I really can't see any of the top teams nationally wanting to play F&M if they end up seeded poorly, especially given their experience.

Goldberg is a senior--thankfully.  He has killed Ursinus the last two years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 21, 2012, 05:46:12 PM
The All-Conference team is out! Let the discussion begin. Hope to see you at the Conference playoffs. BTW - maybe you should organize a time to meet on Friday by the concession stand at Mayser. http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/2-21-All-CC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 21, 2012, 05:57:57 PM
Louis Sarris-Grau got robbed from Honorable Mention.  The McD senior really deserved to be named to the team.

Dan Corbett from Hopkins making the team is a complete stretch.  He is a decent player,  but not deserving in my opinion.  He is not even the second or third best player on his team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 21, 2012, 06:01:21 PM

Congrats to Georgio Milligan on being named to the All Conference First Team and also as Player Of The Year in the Centennial Conference. Congrats also go to Hayk Gyokchan, Jon Salandra, and Matt Porter for being named to the Second and Honorable Mention Team, respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 21, 2012, 06:04:06 PM

Folks -

Here are some of my selections for our Post-Season "Pick-Ems games":

Wednesday, February 22, 2012:

Johns Hopkins over Washington (should be a very close game - JHU seems to have more momentum right now)

Friday, February 24, 2012:

Muhlenberg over Dickinson (another close one)

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 21, 2012, 06:08:55 PM
Looks good to me, I have no complaints. I think Wixted had a better year than Ward, but I love how they favor upper-classmen. So, all in all, good job. I feel Liddic is just too good not to be co-mvp. He is a beast at both ends of the court.

Congrats to all! There are a ton of really good young men on this list. Having had the opportunity to meet all of them, I can attest to how really nice they are. Gotta give a shout out to Porter for making the list. Probably my favorite kid I met this year!

I am also somewhat shocked that no Haverford fan wrote about Bo F. and his ankle injury in his last game. It was sad to see him end his career that way.

Again, congrats to all who made the all-conference team!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 21, 2012, 08:29:51 PM
Swat Dad,

Ward required and received doubles and triple teams all year.  I think the coaches recognized that and rewarded him for what he did with that kind of attention.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 21, 2012, 08:43:23 PM
Well said Gabriel, short and sweet, but still tells the tale of what Ward went through every time he stepped on the floor. Congrats to all the guys for their all conference honors.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 21, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
 My Dear Centfan, As I've said, my previous posts are there to read and decipher for all, including you, again, since you can't seem to comprehend my opinion of you. I believe that they fully answer and respond quite well to all of your juvenile post and comments.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 21, 2012, 09:28:02 PM
Gabriel - I think you are correct. However, he is not the only player to be doubled and tripled this year. Now that I have had time to let it settle, I think the list is spot on. The coaches know the whole story and get it right most of the time.

Anyone else think Georgio could have played DI? I coached a player who starts on a DI team and Georgio is a much better player. In fact, not even close. I was just wondering what others thought about him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 21, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
wixted deserved first team over ward. wixted got doubled and collapsed on every time, as do all the better players down low. the difference is that when wixted got the ball in the paint he had more toughness and strength than ward and fought through it. wixted stepped up in big games which unfortunately ward was not able to do this year. wixted has a stronger will to win despite ward being a good player. both deserve all conference but wixted had a better season and was the reason his team won. dickinson didn't skip a beat with wixted after losing a very good senior this year. would you agree gabriel despite being a bears fan? i know you are happy that ward got first team but really...who had the better season?
reserved seat...you and i see eye to eye on first team.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 22, 2012, 12:22:12 AM
Based off what I have read here and seen I agree Wixted deserved first team, but I think it came down to Senior v. First year, and people put the older one on first team. I see Wixted being a really good player for Dickinson down the road (and getting that first team next year).

I have to say I didn't exactly see Porter as an honorable mention, I guess Salandare, Gyokchyan, and Milligan have out-shined him normally during a game that I just never really thought of him. It does make some sense though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 22, 2012, 12:22:57 AM
I was pleased to see Goldberg, who I mistakenly indicated would be back next year (I meant Baker in that context for Haverford), get first team.  He really impressed me with how he raised the playing levels of the people around him (something that distinguished him from some of the second team players).  I think Ward was deserving but the CC voting does often take into account career accomplishments.  Ward received a lot of attention from defenses and was still effective.  I also think the league got it right giving Gates second team rather than HM for the same reason.  He faced full denials and double teams and still played well. 

Coach Nelson is very deserving of coach of the year.  It has been an impressive turnaround for JHU this year.

Congrats to all the players, Coach Nelson, and any of you, like Swat Dad, who had sons or friends who were honored!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 22, 2012, 12:38:43 AM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 21, 2012, 09:28:02 PM
Gabriel - I think you are correct. However, he is not the only player to be doubled and tripled this year. Now that I have had time to let it settle, I think the list is spot on. The coaches know the whole story and get it right most of the time.

Anyone else think Georgio could have played DI? I coached a player who starts on a DI team and Georgio is a much better player. In fact, not even close. I was just wondering what others thought about him.

I definitely thought he could have played D1 even as a freshman.  His offensive game has developed in college but athletically he was a D1 talent for sure with his size, speed, and skill at the PG position. I was surprised to see a player like him from a quality league like Don Bosco's end up in D3.  He was not a major D1 type of player out of high school but he could probably start for many low- to mid-majors right now.  As a freshman, he was similar to a former teammate of mine who had a decent career in the Sun Belt (when that player was a senior in high school) but was not nearly at the level of another Pac-12 teammate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 22, 2012, 01:00:15 AM
milligan did come in as a "grown man" as a freshman. most freshman need a year or two to get stronger and more mature as a player but he was ready immediately. how old is he? did he prep? i wonder what kind of looks he got. was anyone in the MAAC conference interested? his mental toughness and calm impress me...never gets rattled.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 22, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
Quote from: centfan on February 22, 2012, 01:00:15 AM
milligan did come in as a "grown man" as a freshman. most freshman need a year or two to get stronger and more mature as a player but he was ready immediately. how old is he? did he prep? i wonder what kind of looks he got. was anyone in the MAAC conference interested? his mental toughness and calm impress me...never gets rattled.

centfan, Georgio did seem to adjust to the college game more quickly than other freshmen. A quick story for you:

Early in Georgio's freshman year (December '08), F&M was playing Muhlenberg at home. Milligan was running the show like a veteran, hurting the Mules by scoring and finding open teammates. Dave Madeira, Muhlenberg's coach, called a timeout in the second half, and I was close enough to hear what he was saying. Madeira spent the entire timeout talking about "number 4" - drawing up new defensive sets to stop Milligan. It was his fourth or fifth college game. I knew that day F&M had a great player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 22, 2012, 09:16:40 AM
Congratulations to all 15 players for being recognized by their opposition as being the best in the league.  Georgio Milligan certainly deserves his selection as player of the year.  Spencer Liddic is a class act who would have been a very good selection.  One could argue that any one of the players on the first two teams should have been on the first team.  The fact is, there was only room for five and, I believe, the selection process is fair the coaches know better than we do.

Milligan certainly has D1 talent.  Most of the top players in the conference over the past 12 years are border line D1 players---that's why they had the kind of success they had.  Look at the players of the year over the past 10 years and my suggestion as to why they ended up D3 instead of D1:

2003 Luciano---late bloomer---injured
2004 Stanton---late bloomer---developed as a junior and senior---arguably the best senior year of any
2005 McGarvey---size---too short
2006 McGarvery---size---too short
2007 Shattuck---lack of a consistent outside shot
2008 Shattuck---same as above but still one of the best all time
2009 Powers---undersized post player
2010 McNally---undersized post player
2011 Milligan---did not shoot well coming into the league
2012 Milligan---same as above but still one of the best all time as he improved his shooting

There are many others, Noonan, Cousart, Liddic, Breslin, Gates, Ward  just to name a few who were fringe
D1 players but elected to go D3 rather than sit on the bench in D1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 22, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
Porter is F&M's defensive stopper and was usually assigned the other team's best small man.  The only other player who played as tough defense as Porter seemed to be Breslin.  Porter's selection showed you don't just have to put up offensive stats to be recognized as a quality player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 22, 2012, 10:21:34 AM
Milligan was a prize recruit for Robinson out of Don Bosco Prep, the national football prep program, but still a major force in Bergen County hoops... He is 22 and did not PG (post-graduate) as some prepsters need sometimes to make grades... Brandon Beckford and Max Brewer of F&M are also from Don Bosco Prep... Georgio has always been an above average student and the D3 fit at F&M was perfect... He did have some D1 looks from the Metro NYC area but they were not schools the caliber of F&M... He brought a whole new level of offensive energy to the CC while still creating defensive havoc with his 'stealing' skills... Has been a model for the program on and off the court... really gonna miss him next year....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 22, 2012, 10:25:11 AM
Some really great stuff on here! I love hearing stories about the other players. R.W. - that is interesting it took one half to realize how good he is! Gabriel, again super post. I always look forward to your take on hoop. I agree with you. Reserved Seat - I think Porter is a special player who will have a break out year next year. Tremendous athlete who is a lock down defender. I do think he belonged on the list. I really thought about putting him on my list and should have. I see Wixted as player of the year next year. And, thank DDM! I appreciate it. I continue to be impressed with the entire league from the standpoint of great kids, great students, and then great players. My favorite time is 20 minutes after the game is over and most of the players from both teams are out on the court. I have had the privilege of meeting most of the players in the league and they are always respectful and well spoken young men. I finally got to meet Goldberg and his parents. Quality people. Good luck to all those with teams still playing!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 22, 2012, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 22, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
Porter is F&M's defensive stopper and was usually assigned the other team's best small man.  The only other player who played as tough defense as Porter seemed to be Breslin.  Porter's selection showed you don't just have to put up offensive stats to be recognized as a quality player.

Reserved Seat,

Agree and as I have said many times, F&M's game starts with their defense.  Always solid and bails them out in tight games.  GRob's strength as a coach is his success in coaching defense and post players.  He gets the most out of what he has in those areas.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 22, 2012, 06:19:04 PM
swat dad...you are a good man who brings kindness to the board. thanks to everybody. i appreciate all of the personalities on here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 24, 2012, 08:22:54 AM
Nice article on Milligan - more personal background for all... should be an outstanding weekend at Mayser for all...
http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/592884_MEN-S-BASKETBALL--Milligan-eyes-third-straight-title-for-Diplomats.html

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 24, 2012, 08:48:48 AM
Thanks Centfan! I think it comes from coaching for over 20 years. I always saw it that the player on the other team could be on my team, so why not like the kid? I also think coaching AAU for several years led me to realize how most of the young kids who play are pretty much all alike and usually good kids. What I really like about college hoop is that when the game is over, it is over. Fans, players, coaches, and parents are so pleasant to meet and talk with after the game.

The one thing I detest in today's game is all the trash talking going on. There is no place for it in the game. I am not sure how they have done it, but the Centennial Conference has less (and I mean really none) trash talking than any basketball I have seen. Be it high school, other college leagues, et al. I think with little trash talk makes it a far better product. Play hard, shut your mouths, respect your opponent, and show class win or lose. Somehow the Centennial Conference gets it right!

Great article on GM! I didn't realize he was DIII preseason player of the year. Well done!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 24, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
A semifinal preview can be found here: http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/2-24-Preview

Do you remember these Centennial tournament moments?

Ursinus' Nick Shattuck scoring 46 pts vs. Dickinson in the 2008 semis
Ursinus' Dennis Stanton ripping off 42 in a losing cause vs. Hopkins in 2004
Muhlenberg's Ernie Koschineg hitting four big threes as the Mules knocked off undefeated and #1 ranked F&M in Allentown in 1995
Gettysburg's Dan Capkin draining eight "threes" in the 2009 final vs. F&M

What's your favorite tournament memory - team or player?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 24, 2012, 10:02:18 AM

Folks -

Here is my selection for tonight's other "Pick-Ems Game":

Franklin And Marshall over Washington

See you at Mayser tonight! Be sure to say hello. Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Go Diplomats!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 24, 2012, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: commish on February 24, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
A semifinal preview can be found here: http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/2-24-Preview

Do you remember these Centennial tournament moments?

Ursinus' Nick Shattuck scoring 46 pts vs. Dickinson in the 2008 semis
Ursinus' Dennis Stanton ripping off 42 in a losing cause vs. Hopkins in 2004
Muhlenberg's Ernie Koschineg hitting four big threes as the Mules knocked off undefeated and #1 ranked F&M in Allentown in 1995
Gettysburg's Dan Capkin draining eight "threes" in the 2009 final vs. F&M

What's your favorite tournament memory - team or player?

How about F&M's Jerome Maiatico nailing a 30-foot bomb in the final minute to send the 2000 championship game to OT vs. Johns Hopkins? The Dips looked dead in that game with 5 minutes left, then rallied and won the title. That shot (and several buzzer beaters that year) kept alive a winning streak that took the Dips to the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 24, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: commish on February 24, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
A semifinal preview can be found here: http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/2-24-Preview

Do you remember these Centennial tournament moments?

Ursinus' Nick Shattuck scoring 46 pts vs. Dickinson in the 2008 semis
Ursinus' Dennis Stanton ripping off 42 in a losing cause vs. Hopkins in 2004
Muhlenberg's Ernie Koschineg hitting four big threes as the Mules knocked off undefeated and #1 ranked F&M in Allentown in 1995
Gettysburg's Dan Capkin draining eight "threes" in the 2009 final vs. F&M

What's your favorite tournament memory - team or player?

Commish,

I saw the firsts two, the Ursinus games,  but not the rest.  Both the Shattuck and Stanton performances were terrific.  Stanton averaged over 30 points per game that season and led the nation (D3) in scoring.  No player worked harder during of off season to improve his game than Dennis Stanton.  Now a very successful high school coach at Souderton High School.

Nick Shattuck was a totally selfless player.  He too could have averaged over 30 points per game as a senior if he were more selfish.  A team player all the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 24, 2012, 12:16:33 PM
Picks for tonight's games

Muhlenberg over Dickinson---should be a good, close game.  Could go either way

F&M over Washington College---WC surprised them once, not twice although the seniors from WC should give
                                            the Dips a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
Looks like Pool C is filling up quickly with conference champions.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/02/wrapup-Feb23
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2012, 02:14:34 PM
Grinnell College averages 112.1 points on offense.
F&M on average allows 54.9 points on defense.
Which stat leads to NCAA success?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 24, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
I am on my way to Mayser gym.  I have never been to a Centennial Conference tournament as I am from Omaha.  I see that Dickinson is winning at the half.  There goes my pick.  The surprise will be the consumer report I am doing from Lancaster-  can anyone guess what I am doing?

I am staying at this great hotel called Parkside if anyone wants to hang out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 24, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
Wow - F&M dropped 52 at the half.

And 100 final score. That is some serious scoring!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 24, 2012, 10:02:04 PM
ugly f&m game....washington had a rough tonight...shot about 25%
very uninteresting playoff game
tomorrow...dips and mules..
go mules!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 24, 2012, 10:34:11 PM
Centfan, it's gonna be ugly tomorrow as well when my mules beat the overrated dips in their own gym. tomorrow will be malique's coming out party, and I don't think Glenn will be able to run up the score on us. many mule fans are planning to make the trip to Amish land. GO MULES, dipphan where are you now buddy?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 24, 2012, 10:35:13 PM
Pick
F&M over Muhls

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2012, 10:46:51 PM
Complete game from F&M. Practically everyone scored.  Except for fouling aided by generous calls, Washington was able to stay in the game.  The Shoremen made 31 fouls shots or the score would have been worse.  Thanks goodness the Mules won so we don't have to deal with their fans. Hardly any fans from Allentown.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 25, 2012, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 24, 2012, 10:34:11 PM
Centfan, it's gonna be ugly tomorrow as well when my mules beat the overrated dips in their own gym. tomorrow will be malique's coming out party, and I don't think Glenn will be able to run up the score on us. many mule fans are planning to make the trip to Amish land. GO MULES, dipphan where are you now buddy?

Hi Mule, i've been running some efficiency matrices for D3 and i think you are off base with that comment.  F&M is a solid defensive team, the second best in the country and you have to wonder if that wont wear on Muhlenberg, especially after the Mules seemingly played a hard fought game tonight.  that game is definitely on my radar to watch though along with the ODAC final.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 25, 2012, 01:13:40 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on February 25, 2012, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 24, 2012, 10:34:11 PM
Centfan, it's gonna be ugly tomorrow as well when my mules beat the overrated dips in their own gym. tomorrow will be malique's coming out party, and I don't think Glenn will be able to run up the score on us. many mule fans are planning to make the trip to Amish land. GO MULES, dipphan where are you now buddy?

Hi Mule, i've been running some efficiency matrices for D3 and i think you are off base with that comment.  F&M is a solid defensive team, the second best in the country and you have to wonder if that wont wear on Muhlenberg, especially after the Mules seemingly played a hard fought game tonight.  that game is definitely on my radar to watch though along with the ODAC final.

well, mr aluminum soldier, i beg to differ with your efficiency matrices. F&M may be a very good defensive team but the mules match up well at every position with the vaunted diplomats. They have size and skill in the post, and malique is the only guard in the centennial that can stay with milligan. Dips are going DOWN, baby!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 25, 2012, 01:32:23 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 25, 2012, 01:13:40 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on February 25, 2012, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 24, 2012, 10:34:11 PM
Centfan, it's gonna be ugly tomorrow as well when my mules beat the overrated dips in their own gym. tomorrow will be malique's coming out party, and I don't think Glenn will be able to run up the score on us. many mule fans are planning to make the trip to Amish land. GO MULES, dipphan where are you now buddy?

Hi Mule, i've been running some efficiency matrices for D3 and i think you are off base with that comment.  F&M is a solid defensive team, the second best in the country and you have to wonder if that wont wear on Muhlenberg, especially after the Mules seemingly played a hard fought game tonight.  that game is definitely on my radar to watch though along with the ODAC final.

well, mr aluminum soldier, i beg to differ with your efficiency matrices. F&M may be a very good defensive team but the mules match up well at every position with the vaunted diplomats. They have size and skill in the post, and malique is the only guard in the centennial that can stay with milligan. Dips are going DOWN, baby!

haha, well mr Mule thats why this is my favorite sport.  the mathematician in me loves the stats, but ulitmately you never know how a team meshes on the floor and how it matches up against an offensive team, defensive team. etc.  thats what makes the coaching and strategy so much fun.

and aluminum? ha i think not.  Remember there wont be any trumpets blowning come the judgment day, on the bloody morning after when the one tin soldier rides away!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 25, 2012, 01:39:28 AM
one tin, i look forward to hearing many trumpets "blowning." we'll see who wins tomorrow night. My pick:

Mules 73, F&M 65.

Killing scores 27, Liddic finally makes an NCAA tourney. Enjoy the game, fellow CC fans! GO MULES
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 25, 2012, 10:49:19 AM
i am rooting for the mules but something tells me killing will not have a good game against f&m due to their defense and guys waiting for him at the rim. milligan will get his, if nowhere else but at the line. curry will have to step up as will another guard for f&m to decide who wins. my guess is liddic will outplay gyochkan. muhlenberg would be helped in this game if they could get more from the very strong starter who is not very produtive but stronger physically than salndra. we shall see. go mules.
my pick...
mules over f&m
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2012, 11:43:27 AM
let the fun begin
F&M over the Mules
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 25, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
I think F&M will win because the Diplomats are 1-0 with Omahamike at Mayser.  But I did watch the game from Allentown when the Dips dropped a close one and Mulenberg zone is tough. 

Tonight I will be doing a consumer report from my former Skull house.  Oh yeah!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on February 25, 2012, 08:39:30 PM
Congratulations to Glenn and the Diplomats!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2012, 09:13:40 PM


F&M may be a very good defensive team but the mules match up well at every position with the vaunted diplomats. They have size and skill in the post, and malique is the only guard in the centennial that can stay with milligan. Dips are going DOWN, baby!
[/quote]
Mules 73, F&M 65.

Killing scores 27, Liddic finally makes an NCAA tourney. Enjoy the game, fellow CC fans! GO MULES
[/quote]

OOPS
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
Killing 5 points- a cherry-pick lay-up and 3 foul shots.
Once Milligan let the game come to him, he played fantastic.  In the opening minutes, he tried to do too much. But after sitting out briefly, he came out refocused and played his normal game. Great win for F&M. Now they don't have to sweat an at-large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2012, 10:04:51 PM
   Hoping for a Scranton-York & Messiah-F&M regional and Miseri-St. Mary's & PSU-Hbg-Cabrini regional
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2012, 10:09:33 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2012, 10:04:51 PM
   Hoping for a Scranton-York & Messiah-F&M regional and Miseri-St. Mary's & PSU-Hbg-Cabrini regional

That would certainly be 2 interesting pods.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2012, 10:11:05 PM
Final score
F&M 71 Muhlenberg 55
Milligan lead all scorers with 21.  Gyokchyan and Porter added 11 each.
Boards were even 38/38, but F&M had 20 assists to Muhlenberg's 7.
Curry lead the Mules with 17 points, mostly from long range.  Before the game, I told the individuals sitting around me that I feared Curry more than Killing.  Liddic added a hard-fought 15 points.
Looking forward to Monday's seedings. Hopefully, F&M has done enough to earn a home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2012, 10:11:52 PM
I like ronk's idea with F&M and Cabrini having home court.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2012, 10:44:41 PM
I can see that happening... especially with the number of upsets AND the number of teams in the region and within 500 miles.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 25, 2012, 11:10:19 PM
Classic F&M win tonight - early jitters, regrouped after Milligan sub and took control of first half with tough defense and rebounds...Hayk was the inside force while Georgio steered the ship... Porter played his best 'big-time' game yet, really showed off his outside jumper- he is maturing very nicely... The Dips just started to play a bit tougher after getting behind early - when they control the boards, they win... No boards, much much tougher night for them...
Liddic had an off night - could have had 30 if he made all the bunnies he missed - he is still POY  -quality, great kid who has his act together...Killing was pure freshman tonight - he will be an impact player for the next three years... Curry is such a force when he gets 'in the zone'...
The win was simply the finsl regular season product for this F&M team - defense holds to 50's, at least two starters step up big time and get a lead on hold it for good...
Dip Nation is looking for more games in Mayser soon!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 25, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Good win by the Dips tonight!
and a nice sized crowd at Mayser as well!

I like the idea of both F&M and Cabrini getting pods as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2012, 12:09:46 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2012, 10:04:51 PM
   Hoping for a Scranton-York & Messiah-F&M regional and Miseri-St. Mary's & PSU-Hbg-Cabrini regional

  I was a day early for including PSU-Hbg; their win Saturday was only a semifinal; final, Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 26, 2012, 08:33:27 AM
So the Diplomats will host first and second round action?  Hopefully I can make it East as I have a consumer report in Las Vegas.  We are going to test if that commercial where the golfer hits a ball from roof to roof of strip hotels is feasible.  Any chance of Mulenberg making the NCAA tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2012, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: Omahamike on February 26, 2012, 08:33:27 AM
So the Diplomats will host first and second round action?  Hopefully I can make it East as I have a consumer report in Las Vegas.  We are going to test if that commercial where the golfer hits a ball from roof to roof of strip hotels is feasible.  Any chance of Mulenberg making the NCAA tournament?

Unfortunately, probably slim to none.  To many teams ahead of them that will get looked at first.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 26, 2012, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: Omahamike on February 26, 2012, 08:33:27 AM
So the Diplomats will host first and second round action?  Hopefully I can make it East as I have a consumer report in Las Vegas.  We are going to test if that commercial where the golfer hits a ball from roof to roof of strip hotels is feasible.  Any chance of Mulenberg making the NCAA tournament?

Unfortunately, probably slim to none.  To many teams ahead of them that will get looked at first.


Probably true. Only 16 teams can host that first weekend out of 62 entrants. There are eight regions, so only about 2 teams per region can host. I could easily see F&M having to travel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on February 26, 2012, 10:11:27 AM
great season by the mules, too bad spencer couldn't end his career with a title. malique had an off night, but he'll be a force the next few years. reserved seat, when i predicted that malique would score 27, i meant in next year's title game. congrats to all on a great year, i hope f&m represents the cc well in the ncaa tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 26, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 26, 2012, 10:11:27 AM
reserved seat, when i predicted that malique would score 27, i meant in next year's title game.

Oh, good to know.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 26, 2012, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 25, 2012, 01:39:28 AM
one tin, i look forward to hearing many trumpets "blowning." we'll see who wins tomorrow night. My pick:

Mules 73, F&M 65.

Killing scores 27, Liddic finally makes an NCAA tourney. Enjoy the game, fellow CC fans! GO MULES

So this is about next year's CC title game. Good to see Liddic will make the tourney in his fifth season of eligibility.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 26, 2012, 10:47:20 AM
Scranton, York, F&M, Miseri, Cabrini, York, St. Mary's in.... What would the order be of hosting. Cabrini then????
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 26, 2012, 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 26, 2012, 10:47:20 AM
Scranton, York, F&M, Miseri, Cabrini, York, St. Mary's in.... What would the order be of hosting. Cabrini then????

Not sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 26, 2012, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 26, 2012, 10:47:20 AM
Scranton, York, F&M, Miseri, Cabrini, York, St. Mary's in.... What would the order be of hosting. Cabrini then????

I think F&M has a case, but that doesn't mean they'll get it. Cabrini is pretty much a lock.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 26, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: Dips75 on February 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 26, 2012, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: Omahamike on February 26, 2012, 08:33:27 AM
So the Diplomats will host first and second round action?  Hopefully I can make it East as I have a consumer report in Las Vegas.  We are going to test if that commercial where the golfer hits a ball from roof to roof of strip hotels is feasible.  Any chance of Mulenberg making the NCAA tournament?

Unfortunately, probably slim to none.  To many teams ahead of them that will get looked at first.

Probably true. Only 16 teams can host that first weekend out of 62 entrants. There are eight regions, so only about 2 teams per region can host. I could easily see F&M having to travel.

I think F&M's chances of hosting an opening weekend pod are better than you think. However, they'd likely travel for the sectional if they make it that far.

I was curious how the NCAA did it last year, so I looked at the 2011 final regional rankings (released on selection day) to see where the 16 first/second round hosts were ranked. Almost across the board, the top 2 teams in each region hosted if they could. Top seeds La Roche and Purchase either didn't apply or couldn't host due to facilities issues, otherwise they likely would have been selected.

I see no way that F&M drops from its current regional ranking of No. 2. With so many tournament teams within a drive of Cabrini and F&M, I think both the Cavs and Diplomats will get opening weekend hosting honors.

Here are last year's final regional rankings, with opening weekend hosts in bold:

East
1   Oswego State   23-4   23-4
2   Ithaca   19-6   20-6
3   Rochester   19-4   20-5
4   Buffalo State   18-6   21-6
5   Stevens 19-7   19-7
6   Skidmore   18-8   18-9

Great Lakes
1   Wooster   23-2   26-2
2   Marietta   22-3   25-3
3   Hope   18-2   22-6
4   Penn State-Behrend   23-3   23-4
5   Wittenberg   16-6   19-8
6   Wabash   19-6   20-6

Midwest
1   Augustana 23-3   24-3
2   Concordia (Wis.)   21-3   23-4
3   Manchester   20-5   21-6
4   Hanover   19-7   19-7
5   Illinois Wesleyan   18-8   19-8
6   Benedictine 20-6   21-7
7   St. Norbert   20-5   20-5
8   Edgewood   18-8   18-10

Atlantic
1   SUNY-Purchase   23-4   23-4
2   Ramapo   19-4   20-6
3   St. Joseph's (L.I.)   20-6   22-6
3   Kean   17-6   18-8
5   New Jersey City   17-8   19-9

Mid-Atlantic
1   La Roche   24-2   25-2
2   St. Mary's (Md.)   20-3   22-5
3   Cabrini   22-5   22-5
4   Gwynedd-Mercy   20-5   21-6
5   Franklin and Marshall   20-5   22-5
6   Lebanon Valley   18-7   20-7
7   Keystone   21-6   21-6
8   Alvernia   17-6   18-6
9   Scranton   19-5   20-5

Northeast
1   Middlebury   22-1   25-1
2   Williams   23-2   25-2
3   WPI   22-4   22-5
4   Becker   23-4   23-4
5   Amherst   21-3   22-3
6   Western Connecticut State   20-5   21-5
7   Rhode Island College   19-7   19-7
8   Elms   18-6   20-7
9   Eastern Connecticut State   17-8   19-9
10   Bridgewater State   18-8   19-9
11   MIT   19-7   19-8

South
1   Virginia Wesleyan   23-4   21-4
2   Randolph-Macon 24-4   23-4
3   McMurry   20-6   21-7
4   Mary Hardin-Baylor   21-7   21-7
5   Texas-Dallas   20-5   21-6
6   Ferrum   20-5   23-5
7   Eastern Mennonite   16-5 22-5
8   North Carolina Wesleyan   16-4   21-6

West
1   Whitworth   26-1   26-1
2   St. Thomas 23-3   24-3
3   UW-Stevens Point   23-3   24-3
4   Chapman   16-1   24-3
5   UW-River Falls   18-6   20-7
6   Carleton   18-6   18-8
7   Whitman   14-6   19-8
8   Lewis and Clark   12-6   18-8
9   UW-Whitewater   16-9   17-9
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2012, 07:10:32 AM
I could live with the D3 projected bracket.  As long as F&M gets a home pod, I'm fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 27, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 25, 2012, 01:13:40 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on February 25, 2012, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on February 24, 2012, 10:34:11 PM
Centfan, it's gonna be ugly tomorrow as well when my mules beat the overrated dips in their own gym. tomorrow will be malique's coming out party, and I don't think Glenn will be able to run up the score on us. many mule fans are planning to make the trip to Amish land. GO MULES, dipphan where are you now buddy?

Hi Mule, i've been running some efficiency matrices for D3 and i think you are off base with that comment.  F&M is a solid defensive team, the second best in the country and you have to wonder if that wont wear on Muhlenberg, especially after the Mules seemingly played a hard fought game tonight.  that game is definitely on my radar to watch though along with the ODAC final.

well, mr aluminum soldier, i beg to differ with your efficiency matrices. F&M may be a very good defensive team but the mules match up well at every position with the vaunted diplomats. They have size and skill in the post, and malique is the only guard in the centennial that can stay with milligan. Dips are going DOWN, baby!

I think it's safe to say that this prediction was wrong.  Hope you didn't bet on that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 27, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
York PA at F&M
Other in pod: Western Conn vs. CNU

See you at Mayser this weekend!!!
the York game should bring in good fans for both!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 27, 2012, 12:20:11 PM
It looks like I will have to get a consumer reporting assignment in Lancaster and then Amherst.  Does F and M have any chance against Amherst which is a very tough Sweet 16 opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2012, 12:26:15 PM
York 18-10 lost to Gettysburg ,lost to St. Mary's twice, beat St. Mary's
Western Conn ST. 20-6
Christopher Newport(23-4) lost to St. Mary's, beat McDaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on February 27, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 27, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
York PA at F&M
Other in pod: Western Conn vs. CNU

See you at Mayser this weekend!!!
the York game should bring in good fans for both!


As a Western Connecticut student I will be there Friday, and hopefully Saturday as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on February 27, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: Omahamike on February 27, 2012, 12:20:11 PM
It looks like I will have to get a consumer reporting assignment in Lancaster and then Amherst.  Does F and M have any chance against Amherst which is a very tough Sweet 16 opponent.


You should get there first.  I don't think the Centennial has any players like DaQuan Brooks in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on February 27, 2012, 12:57:08 PM
7express:
Welcome to a real board!!! 2007 was the last time any team from the "Little East" conference got to the sectionals where Rhode Island College pounded by Amherst 81-69... Enjoy the trip to Amish Country where Final Four, Elite Eight and Sweet Sixteen are in the common vocabulary... Should be a great weekend in Lancaster!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipfanatic on February 27, 2012, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 27, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: Omahamike on February 27, 2012, 12:20:11 PM
It looks like I will have to get a consumer reporting assignment in Lancaster and then Amherst.  Does F and M have any chance against Amherst which is a very tough Sweet 16 opponent.


You should get there first.  I don't think the Centennial has any players like DaQuan Brooks in the league.

7express, try googling 'Georgio Milligan'
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 27, 2012, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Omahamike on February 27, 2012, 12:20:11 PM
It looks like I will have to get a consumer reporting assignment in Lancaster and then Amherst.  Does F and M have any chance against Amherst which is a very tough Sweet 16 opponent.


It is going to be tough, but I remember being at F&M in the 90s when Amherst came into Mayser and beat a very highly ranked F&M team.

I just hope we get the chance to go, as Amherst is very close to home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 27, 2012, 01:39:04 PM
Should be an excellent first-round game as longtime friends Robinson and Gamber coach against each other one final time. York is playing well for their retiring coach, so I think the Spartans will be a difficult test for F&M. Western Conn. and CNU also look very good - it should be a great weekend of hoops in Mayser. Any discussion of Amherst is way too premature.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2012, 01:40:04 PM
7express
F&M plays defense(average giving up around 55 a game)
Matt Porter was on the all-conference team for his defense.
Porter will probably cover Brooks.
Very few individuals ever score 30 or more for F&M.
Gyokchyan had 18 points in the first half on Friday.  The other team switched defense, so instead of forcing the ball inside, F&M just switched to outside shooting.  F&M is very deep.  They rely on Milligan and anyone else.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old_hooper on February 27, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
To the F & M contingent, if you did not know, Amherst will most likely not be hosting the sectionals this year.  The women have that nailed down by the NCAA and they will not likely lose in the first round.  Amherst will be traveling if they are fortunate enough to advance past NYU.  Very talented team that has really come together over the last 10 games.  Very deep bench and size.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 27, 2012, 03:02:40 PM
Seems a little unfair to the Amherst men, not that I'm complaining.

But logically, wouldn't MIT be next in line?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 27, 2012, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: crambam on February 27, 2012, 03:02:40 PM
Seems a little unfair to the Amherst men, not that I'm complaining.

But logically, wouldn't MIT be next in line?
I would guess Hartwick would be next in line if they win, but if not then probably F&M over MIT? Probably a toss up? I'm not seeing any potential >500 miles to worry about.
I think we have to wait and see who wins. It may be the bigger question in this fourth of the bracket.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on February 27, 2012, 04:19:49 PM
Quote from: crambam on February 27, 2012, 03:02:40 PM
Seems a little unfair to the Amherst men, not that I'm complaining.

But logically, wouldn't MIT be next in line?


It would be unfair to the Amherst men if the women's team was anything other than 27-0 and had more than 3 losses the last 3 years.  However, the women do get a team that's 25-2 in the second round.  As long as both Amherst teams win both games this weekend, then the men are traveling next weekend, which would leave the next choice between F&M/Hartwick/MIT, imo.  I think F&M would get it over either of those 2.  If the Amherst women lose this weekend, than I'd assume the men host next weekend as well.
I'd go: Amherst, F&M, Hartwick, MIT, Staten Island, RIC, Western in terms of hosting for sectionals, with Amherst and RIC the only teams having both men's and women's teams in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 27, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 27, 2012, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: crambam on February 27, 2012, 03:02:40 PM
Seems a little unfair to the Amherst men, not that I'm complaining.

But logically, wouldn't MIT be next in line?
I would guess Hartwick would be next in line if they win, but if not then probably F&M over MIT? Probably a toss up? I'm not seeing any potential >500 miles to worry about.
I think we have to wait and see who wins. It may be the bigger question in this fourth of the bracket.

My understanding is that total mileage criteria is not really used by the ncaa anymore, as long as the schools meet the 500 mile criteria they would pick the best available team that has a facility that meets the necessary requirements to host.  I'm shocked MIT isnt hosting, but is it possible their facility doesnt meet the minimum requirements?  Of course, with Hartwick losing in the E8 finals who knows if they dropped from no1 in region
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old_hooper on February 27, 2012, 05:26:56 PM
A lot of ifs but should it come down to Amherst, F & M, MIT and RIC for sectionals, a good chance that MIT would host because of the three schools (AMH, MIT & RIC) being so close to each other.  To go to F & M it would be a 5 to 6 hour bus trip for each and that could happen too.  Should Western Conn advance I would still think that MIT would have the best shot to land the sectionals.  MIT facility looks like they can bring bleachers to meet the NCAA requirements if necessary.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2012, 05:40:25 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Omahamike on February 27, 2012, 08:42:41 PM
What time are the games on Friday and Saturday at Mayser?  Will D3 hoops be broadcasting the games? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2012, 08:57:10 PM
Game 1 is at 5:30pm W Conn. vs CNU and Game 2 to follow @ 7:30pm York (Pa) at F&M.  Saturday game at 7:00pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 27, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: Omahamike on February 27, 2012, 08:42:41 PM
What time are the games on Friday and Saturday at Mayser?  Will D3 hoops be broadcasting the games?
D3 hoops won't be doing the games, but F&M will be broadcasting them all (even the non-F&M ones) at godiplomats.com/live for free as with all basketball games at Mayser.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 28, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
I'm still at a loss to figure out why the Amherst men would have to move.  It makes no sense. 

Financially, if they charge, there's no way the men wouldn't outsell the women. 

They should either move the women's start time, or move the women. 

Could anyone imagine the Knicks moving venues because the Liberty want the court?

It's absolute silliness.  The Amherst men earned a seeding, and to lose it because of the women's team is just ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad this is happening because it could potentially help F&M, but this is not justice.

If this WAS F&M in this position, I'd be angry as hell. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2012, 08:56:14 AM
7express,
Two different philosophies  for the three between Western Connecticut and F&M.
Western Connecticut 254/668  Brooks    92/261
F&M                        86/247   Milligan  31/67

Brooks has taken more threes than the entire F&M team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 28, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: crambam on February 28, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
I'm still at a loss to figure out why the Amherst men would have to move.  It makes no sense. 

Financially, if they charge, there's no way the men wouldn't outsell the women. 

They should either move the women's start time, or move the women. 

Could anyone imagine the Knicks moving venues because the Liberty want the court?

It's absolute silliness.  The Amherst men earned a seeding, and to lose it because of the women's team is just ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad this is happening because it could potentially help F&M, but this is not justice.

If this WAS F&M in this position, I'd be angry as hell.

It's called equality. Frankly, I can't think of anything more fair in DIVISION III than, in a situation where one team HAS to not host that the team with the better overall season be the one who gets to play at home.

And let's not go comparing the gate receipt difference of Amherst's men's and women's games to that of the Knicks and Liberty.  Seriously? Remember, the Division III basketball tournament isn't a money-maker anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 28, 2012, 09:07:37 AM
That's unrealistic.  It's not equality when the better team loses out.  And you can't honestly believe that women's sports is equal to men's sports.  That's a load of hooey. 

You want equality?  Let them play for the court.  Men v. women.  Let the skills of both teams come into play.  20 minutes.  Not a full game.  The men would likely win by 50 even in a short half, but that's life. 

They should find a way to accommodate both squads if they both deserve it.

The point of the Knicks/Liberty example is that no one cares about the Liberty, just like besides maybe the women on the team and their parents, no one cares about women's sports.

If letting the two teams play for it doesn't work, then how about comparing attendance between the men's and women's games.  I'm sure they can figure out that the men likely had a much bigger crowd during the regular season.

If Amherst loses to a team hosting, they get screwed, and not in the good way.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2012, 09:44:16 AM
Isn't this a mute point until we see who wins?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on February 28, 2012, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: sunny on February 28, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: crambam on February 28, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
I'm still at a loss to figure out why the Amherst men would have to move.  It makes no sense. 

Financially, if they charge, there's no way the men wouldn't outsell the women. 

They should either move the women's start time, or move the women. 

Could anyone imagine the Knicks moving venues because the Liberty want the court?

It's absolute silliness.  The Amherst men earned a seeding, and to lose it because of the women's team is just ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad this is happening because it could potentially help F&M, but this is not justice.

If this WAS F&M in this position, I'd be angry as hell.

It's called equality. Frankly, I can't think of anything more fair in DIVISION III than, in a situation where one team HAS to not host that the team with the better overall season be the one who gets to play at home.

And let's not go comparing the gate receipt difference of Amherst's men's and women's games to that of the Knicks and Liberty.  Seriously? Remember, the Division III basketball tournament isn't a money-maker anyway.

It could end up being a non-issue, but I also think it is unfortunate that one of the Amherst teams may have to move.  I agree with Sunny though, that given the current rules the undefeated and #1 ranked women should get to host in this situation.  You have to give Amherst a lot of credit for having both teams in such a great position. It is too bad that Amherst is not allowed to find a way to host both or use the nearby facilities at Mt. Holyoke or Smith to host, so that they still have a home crowd and distance advantage rather than playing a host in their gym.  The rule as it stands does not make all that much sense.  I'm not even going to respond to most of what crambam wrote.  I'm sure the rest of the F&M fans on this board are embarrassed enough by it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 11:03:11 AM
The women would host on the second weekend because 2012 is an even year.  If the situation occurs again next year, then the men would get to host.  Not because it's a better draw or the school's choice.  Just because it's an odd year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 28, 2012, 11:07:01 AM
The truth is not embarrassing.  The idea that this is even an issue is the embarrassment.  Have the women play earlier in the day.  Problem solved. 

I agree that it's not an issue until Amherst wins its games, but they should barring a major upset.

The odd/even year thing is also ridiculous and random.  How often does this even happen?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2012, 11:40:26 AM
A lot of tie-breakers are ridiculous, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 28, 2012, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: crambam on February 28, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
I'm still at a loss to figure out why the Amherst men would have to move.  It makes no sense. 

Financially, if they charge, there's no way the men wouldn't outsell the women. 

They should either move the women's start time, or move the women. 

Could anyone imagine the Knicks moving venues because the Liberty want the court?

It's absolute silliness.  The Amherst men earned a seeding, and to lose it because of the women's team is just ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad this is happening because it could potentially help F&M, but this is not justice.

If this WAS F&M in this position, I'd be angry as hell.

Justice would technically be all games played at accessible neutral sites.  But that would destroy the atmosphere of great home/road split crowds. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 28, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
I'll give you that. 

Neutral sites in the Sweet 16 is the most fair. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old_hooper on February 28, 2012, 01:24:03 PM
The real issue here is the NCAA.  As mentioned, these are isolated situations and to have either team penalized is unfair to the team, school and fan base.  This past weekend both teams hosted for conference championships in the same venue and it worked out.  There are reasonable alternatives that should be made in these situations but to say it is an "odd-even year," as the solution seems unfair to a team that has worked so hard to earn it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 28, 2012, 03:17:39 PM
So what did they do this weekend?

The NCAA needs to recognize the situation and deal with it.

I hope they kick the men to the curb because it's better for F&M, but I recognize that the Amherst men earned this. 

I don't have the women's bracket, but if the tourney is the same, the women also will get a bye into the second round. 

If both teams make the Sweet 16, they should either have the women play 2 games on Thursday, the men play two games on Friday, and each play one game on Saturday.

OR, do 4 games on Friday, with a 30 minute break between games.

It'll be interesting to see this play out. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on February 28, 2012, 03:57:00 PM
Congratulations to Spencer Liddic and Alexandra Chili, both from Muhlenberg, and both first-team CC members, for making the Jostens Top Ten for the Player of the Year Award.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
QuoteThe odd/even year thing is also ridiculous and random.  How often does this even happen?

It comes up every other year or so.

It's actually happening to the William Paterson women this weekend.  They are playing on the road this weekend for the same reason.  They would host this weekend, but the men also earned that right.  And during the first weekend of even years, the men get priority. Other programs that have had this issue in recent years include Hope, UW-Stevens Point and Washington U. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on February 28, 2012, 07:42:05 PM
If you want to blame anyone, blame the NCAA because they have this rule.  The women get hosting rights in the first round in odd number years and sectionals in even number years and the men vice versa.  They were able to get by it in the first round because they gave the Amherst men the bye but rules are rules.  If the Hope women had been undefeated this year they would've had the same problem, and this is going on with William Paterson (the women "deserve" to play at home but can't, and same with Wash U, the Wash U women should probably be playing at home but can't because of the rule).  Until the NCAA gets rid of this rule, we'll have to live with it, and there's nothing we can do.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2012, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: crambam on February 28, 2012, 11:07:01 AM
The truth is not embarrassing.  The idea that this is even an issue is the embarrassment.  Have the women play earlier in the day.  Problem solved. 

You're kind of the one making this a big issue. :)

The reason there's a rotation in place is because a school shouldn't be put in a situation of having to decide which program it will support for hosting, and the committees shouldn't have to waste time battling each other out for positioning for their specific team. This way it's determined in advance. Yep, it's unfortunate for the team that has to go on the road but this doesn't happen all that often in the second weekend. And to be honest, hosting the sectionals isn't exactly a guarantee of advancing either. Last year two of the four hosts lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2012, 09:32:47 PM
Any comments on the games? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on February 29, 2012, 12:31:59 AM
Just looking at York's numbers, nothing really stands out to me.  They're slightly better than their opponents in a lot of categories, but not by a significant margin anywhere.

Offensively, they're led by senior F Paul Kouvaris (CAC POY, 16.9 ppg, 55.3% FG, 74.3% FT, 6.6 rpg), along with junior G Julian Watson (13.1 ppg, 43.9% FG, 72.9% FT, 3.8 rpg, 2.7 apg).  F&M probably has enough good big men to keep Kouvaris from dominating the game, and they almost definitely have the guards to keep Watson in check if they decide to focus on him.  If they make Watson their focus, though, York has a pair of 3-point shooters that could hurt F&M if they get hot - senior G Mo Oursler (5.8 3FGA per game, 37.3%) and junior G Mitch Kemp (4.6 3FGA per game, 36%).  York has 7 players that get 19+ minutes/g, and they all score 6+ ppg.

Defensively, York doesn't get a lot of steals (6.8, 254th) or blocks (1.9, 347th).  They do force a decent number of turnovers (16.6), so F&M will have to take care of the ball, as always.  Whether they have anyone who can guard Milligan effectively or how their big men will match up with F&M's, I have no idea.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2012, 01:11:57 AM
crambam - for starters, it is called Title IX. There is nothing wrong with that... and it is equality. Secondly, get caught up on Amherst women... you will see they are #1 in the country and have an unreal winning streak... not to mention the defending national champions. Thirdly, if you looked at the women's bracket you will notice there are NO byes.. because the women have a 64-team bracket due to the fact that they have more women's programs in D3 then the men do nationally.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 29, 2012, 07:20:52 AM
I've heard of Title IX.  There is something wrong with it when it forces men who earned their spot out for a sport that no one cares about.

Again, before you get on a soapbox, take it objectively and compare attendance between the two events.  Who cares if their women are national champions?  If you want to test their winning streak, let them run 10 minutes with the men's JV team or a even any local boys high school team and see how they do. 

Just because the NCAA and the government wants to force people to pretend that women's sports is equal doesn't mean that it actually is.  That's a laughable fiction. 

The lack of a 64 team bracket in the men is a fault of the NCAA.  How many good teams are on the outside due to dumb automatic bids?  It's not like they can't find 64 good teams.

If anything, maybe the men have a Title IX complaint of their own if the women get 64 teams and the men get 62. 

Pat--I guess I am making this a big issue.  I just find it ridiculous.  Again, this is good for F&M should they make it that far.  Amherst is dangerous in this tournament and beating them will be extremely tough.  It will require F&M to play a great game. 

But I recognize the value of home court advantage and I see that the men are being hurt because of a calendar year and I find that moronic.  No, it's not a guarantee.  But it does help.  I've been to the big games.  I've seen it. 

Not that this is the only dumb thing the NCAA does, but it's still dumb.  The NCAA should look this over, realize that both teams earned their home court, and should accommodate both teams with scheduling.  If not by the day of the week, then by time of the game. 

And yes, I realize that unless the NCAA changes the rule, we have to live with it.  Doesn't mean we can't complain about it on boards like this one. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 29, 2012, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2012, 09:32:47 PM
Any comments on the games?

in terms of the games, i like F&M's chances this weekend.  While Friday's game on paper might be a mismatch, the main issue is you have two rival schools, 30 minutes apart.  York draws well at home, so i'd have to believe they will have a number of fans that make the short trip east.  When youre dealing with a potential crazy atmosphere, and two rival schools as well as the coaches, the "on paper" term is meaningless. 

Chris Newport and WConn both like to play fast and have good offenses, but Newport plays better defense.  WC is led by one of the countrys leading scorers in DaQuan Brooks.  If Newport has an answer for him, expect them to advance. 

If it is Newport Saturday, its going to be a tough out.  They lack the quality wins to really be able to say they can play with a team as good as F&M, but they are 23-4, all losses are to solid teams and 3 of them were close.  If its WC, their best chance is to be lights out from behind the arc.  WC, thanks to Brooks and their stellar 3point shooting will have a punchers chance against anyone. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2012, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: crambam on February 29, 2012, 07:20:52 AM
Again, before you get on a soapbox, take it objectively and compare attendance between the two events. 

1) Just because an event is attended by fewer people doesn't mean it's less important.
2) I really don't think a D-III fan should EVER use attendance as a measure of what is important! Otherwise, nothing we follow and hold dear is important.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 29, 2012, 10:45:43 AM
Pat--I'm just saying that if you need an objective way to determine which team should host, yes, attendance is a better one than random odd/even years.

I do believe that the NCAA should make arrangements in the schedule to accommodate both teams.  But in lieu of doing the really right thing, then why NOT use attendance?  The men generate more interest, and more money.  If they don't care about money, why charge for a ticket?

This shouldn't even be a choice.  If both teams earn it, both teams should get it.  I know from F&M, the women and men play back to back all the time.  No reason that can't be done in the tourneys.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 29, 2012, 10:50:34 AM
Quote from: oftdip on February 27, 2012, 12:57:08 PM
7express:
Enjoy the trip to Amish Country where Final Four, Elite Eight and Sweet Sixteen are in the common vocabulary...

Indeed. That's how Amish farmers commonly refer to their prize mules.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 29, 2012, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: crambam on February 29, 2012, 10:45:43 AM
Pat--I'm just saying that if you need an objective way to determine which team should host, yes, attendance is a better one than random odd/even years.

I do believe that the NCAA should make arrangements in the schedule to accommodate both teams.  But in lieu of doing the really right thing, then why NOT use attendance?  The men generate more interest, and more money.  If they don't care about money, why charge for a ticket?

This shouldn't even be a choice.  If both teams earn it, both teams should get it.  I know from F&M, the women and men play back to back all the time.  No reason that can't be done in the tourneys.

Setting aside equality, you're being far too simplistic with the financials. This isn't the NBA or Division I where you are talking about large numbers of dollars being brought in at the gate. How much "money" do you think is being brought in? The NCAA pays for travel and collects the gate receipts. They could care less about which team hosts.

Besides, you're only looking at one portion of the equation.  Amherst's men averaged about 600 fans to about 300 for their women.  So, yeah, if you base it on average attendance (of course NCAA Tournament games - men's or women's - outdo the average), that's a -300 loss at Amherst.  However, that women's sectional has to go SOMEWHERE. What if it goes to a school who averaged 100 fans? And then what if the men's school who would host in place of Amherst averages 1,000 fans?  Well look at that ... Amherst men + Women's Team X = 700 average fans, while Amherst women + Men's Team Y = 1,300.  That's what you're missing.  If Amherst isn't allowed to host both, it's not as if that men's sectional suddenly disappears. Same thing for the women.  They have to be played somewhere and you can't simply assume which scenario would lead to the greatest amount of total attendance between the two sectionals.

But, again, this is not a net overall money maker regardless.  Were it not for the trickle-down effect of the Division I Men's Basketball Tournament TV contract, Division III schools would be paying their own way. And if the NCAA cared about every nickel and every dime, the tournament match-ups and hosts would be dictated far more by geography than they already are.  Careful what you wish for ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2012, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: crambam on February 29, 2012, 10:45:43 AM
Pat--I'm just saying that if you need an objective way to determine which team should host, yes, attendance is a better one than random odd/even years.

I do believe that the NCAA should make arrangements in the schedule to accommodate both teams.  But in lieu of doing the really right thing, then why NOT use attendance?  The men generate more interest, and more money.  If they don't care about money, why charge for a ticket?

Your solution would probably generate a lawsuit. Just so you know.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2012, 12:02:43 PM
Also, having seen Amherst a lot in recent years including in person twice this year... they would go toe-to-toe or destroy a lot of the teams you suggest they couldn't compete with. That women's team is damn good... and to win a national championship in Division III you have to be... because there are some incredibly good teams in women's basketball in our division.

And odd/even year distribution isn't random... it's set. In odd numbered years the women have first right to host in the first weekend; men have first right to host in the second weekend. In even numbered years the men have first right to host in the first weekend; women have first right to host in the second weekend.

It may not be "fair" in your eyes... but this completely fair in making sure we don't get into a game of picking and choosing hosts each year where one or both programs could be screwed.

Personally, you seem to have something against women's basketball... but those players are working just as hard, playing just as hard, and studying just as hard as the men's teams and I would dare say the men's teams probably have just as much as respect for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2012, 12:44:34 PM
Enough with Amherst.  Never look ahead.
York!
Western Connecticut!
Christopher Newport!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on February 29, 2012, 02:31:27 PM
Pat--I know it would generate a lawsuit, but that's more of a problem with society as a whole, rather than the reality and fairness.

Women's sports are not equal.  Never have been, never will be.

No matter how good these women are, I highly doubt they could go toe to toe with a decent high school boys team.  That would be like putting the top female tennis player in the world in the men's division.  She couldn't beat the 100th ranked guy.   

I'm NOT saying the women don't deserve it.  I'm saying the men shouldn't have to be moved due to some random politically correct solution that perpetuates a fiction.

And no, I have nothing against women's basketball.  I believe you when they say they work just as hard.  But in the grand scheme of things, it's just not as important. 

The real solution is scheduling the game times so that both teams can host.

I'm not also not arguing that attendance alone should be the sole factor.  Attendance should be a tie breaker when dealing with men v. women if only one can host. 

Seeding is earned.  So the team averaging 1000 for men's game shouldn't trump the Amherst men who earned it on the court.  The issue would be Amherst v. Amherst. 

It will be very interesting to see this played out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 29, 2012, 07:05:01 PM
So this current conversation is funny...

I am tentitively planning to head up to F&M to watch the games this Saturday. Will I have any problems getting in?? I've been there for a game before so I know it's not exactly the largest place in the world.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2012, 07:57:00 PM
funny's not the word-ridiculous
I've been to all 27 F&M games, and Mayser was about the biggest gym I was in.  Last week there were over 1800 fans and still plenty of room.  All the bleachers weren't even down--not that you want them all down.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 29, 2012, 09:27:06 PM
Maybe I'm just misremembering? I feel like the student section was kind of set back or something and maybe it's throwing off my recollections? Or maybe the bleachers just weren't all out. It WAS something like 2004-2005 since that's the last time I lived on the East Coast.

Anyway, the last time I went was a regular season game, and it was fairly full, so I thought I should check that it wouldn't be impossible to get in if I am going to drive three hours to watch a game live instead of watching my own team play in their own playoff game via video feed. :)

By funny I actually meant mysogynistic. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
F&M draws well.  F&M will have a large number of fans as will York. Hard to predict Western Connecticut and Christopher Newport since their fans have a ways to travel. I've followed F&M since 1966 and only had trouble getting into a game twice(once for a play-off game against John Hopkins; the other an NCAA game against Jersey City).
Parking is a hassle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2012, 10:37:29 PM
Sounds like Western Connecticut is trying to organize a student bus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 29, 2012, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 29, 2012, 09:27:06 PM
Maybe I'm just misremembering? I feel like the student section was kind of set back or something and maybe it's throwing off my recollections? Or maybe the bleachers just weren't all out. It WAS something like 2004-2005 since that's the last time I lived on the East Coast.

Anyway, the last time I went was a regular season game, and it was fairly full, so I thought I should check that it wouldn't be impossible to get in if I am going to drive three hours to watch a game live instead of watching my own team play in their own playoff game via video feed. :)

By funny I actually meant mysogynistic. ;)

The student section is kind of set back in a way. It has three walls around it on the far end of the gym. I don't think Mayser will sell out. The largest draw will probably be the York v. F&M game since York is so close. I doubt W Conn or CNU will bring that many fans (both averaged >1000 at their normal home events) and Mayser is stated at 3000, but I'm not sure I would want to be in there with 3000 of my closest friends.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on February 29, 2012, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2012, 10:37:29 PM
Sounds like Western Connecticut is trying to organize a student bus.

Still nothing of it on my student e-mail.  Would be nice if there was one but I'm not holding by breath.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 01, 2012, 09:42:52 PM
Interesting fact from F&M pod, all four teams have their conference POTY.
From the F&M game notes:
POTY Bracket: All four teams participating in this weekends' games bring their respective conference's player of the year with them. Paul Kouvaris won the CAC honor for York, Christopher Newport's Conley Taylor earned USA South POTY, DaQuan Brooks earned the honor for Western Connecticut in the Little East and Georgio Millian was the Centennial Conference Player of the Year for F&M.

Should be a good weekend of Basketball at Mayser!

I guess if we are still picking...
F&M over York

and just for fun
W Conn over CNU (in a close one)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2012, 09:46:35 PM
Picks
F&M
Western
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on March 01, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
F&M & Western
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 02, 2012, 09:48:44 AM
I've tried to update my metrics using the last 5-weeks only.  Some findings i've found for F&M are as follows:

F&M is one of the most consistent teams when looking at their overall season vs the last five weeks (L5W), and have the same total efficiency margin of 0.21.  That puts them in the top 20 in the country in both full season and L5W.  I'll start with their first weekend pod.  It is difficult to analyze the York game "on paper."  York is ranked down in the 140's for both metrics.  But when you factor in their coaching, and the potential great atmosphere tonight, anything can happen.

CNU and Wconn are similar teams.  both teams like games in the 70s+, but as mentioned by a WConn poster they just do not play strong defense.  Over the L5W Newport is ranked 53rd, Wconn 87th. If CNU wins tonight, F&M will have a competitive game against a team that is just a shade behind them in FG% and rebounding margin.  If its Wconn, the game will focus more on Brooks.  F&M can win if its star (Milligan) doesnt play well.  But i'm not sure Wconn can if Brooks does not play well. 

Should F&M reach the second weekend the games, albeit tougher, are not impossible.  MIT has the best efficiency in the country over the entire season, but is ranked only 35th in the country L5W.  Amherst is a shade behind F&M for both.  F&M could actually face tougher opposition from Staten Island, who has been shooting lights out and matches F&M's advantage on the boards.  Should be fun
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on March 02, 2012, 10:42:21 AM
The key as always will be Brooks.  If he can get open and get his looks, and knock his shots down this team could very be playing at least up until next weekend.  If he doesn't get open, or his shot isn't falling, it could be a long night.  Also, when the games starting to get out of reach is when he goes into "hero" mode that can either be good or bad; he doesn't look at all for the other 4 people on the court, and really as soon as he crosses half court he can shoot it from anywhere.  Even with 2 or 3 people on him chances are he'll shoot the hero spot when 1 or 2 people will be wide open.  Also, sometimes he's too quick for his own good, sure he's super quick one of the fastest guys I've ever seen, but sometimes he can outrun himself.  Going into the season there were 2 keys that were going to define the season and they still haven't been solved:

1) If we were going to have a 2nd or 3rd option complementing Brooks.  After Brooks, the next 2 team high's in average PPG are 10.2...that's not going to get it done in the long run.  Every so often we'll get a streaky shooter, but it's really Brooks or bust
2) The defense has and continues to be a problem.  Until we can figure that out, we'll be ending our season sooner rather than later.  Also, were a relatively small team; we have 1 person in our starting 5 taller than 6"3 and that guy likes to hang outside on the perimter and shoot 3"s so we basically start 4 guards and a 6"3 forward.  Any team that has decent height we're in trouble with.  But this weekend should be fun for the fans.  As coach Bill Geitner (the coach of the Eastern Connecticut state Warriors) said about Brooks: "He's fun to watch for the fans, he's fun to watch on tape, he's fun to watch when I'm scounting.  When I'm coaching he's not fun to watch."   Hopefully the fans down in Lancaster get to see him for more than 80 minutes, but they may not like him on Saturday  ;)
Also, I'm interested in seeing Georgio Millikin for the Dips these next 2 days.  Hopefully we get some good games, looking forward to my visit to Mayser gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 02, 2012, 12:34:09 PM

Yes, we are still picking. However, I didn't post the games. My picks are as follows:

Franklin And Marshall over York
Christopher Newport over Western Connecticut

Enjoy the games. Regards to all!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 02, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Nice article on Hayk...
http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/597130_MEN-S-BASKETBALL--F-M-forward-s-perspective-not-easily-duplicated.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on March 02, 2012, 07:24:39 PM
The West Conn./CNU game was fantastic. From the looks of it on the webcast, Mayser is going to be packed, hot and loud!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2012, 10:31:43 PM
F&M put 5 players in double figures as they easily defeated York 72-50.  Despite York's physical play, F&M was able to play an inside-outside game.
Tomorrow, the key to stopping Western is containing Brooks.  Western is a one-dimensional team-no defense and no team offense.
Brooks scored 52 points-45 in the second half, but he was only 5 for 17 from behind the 3 line.  If Porter can stop Brooks's drives, F&M''s defense should be able to shut down Brooks' drives to the basket.
DEFENSE
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on March 02, 2012, 11:24:02 PM
The quickness is what kills teams.  CNU got beat off the dribble in the second half so it was either Brooks get the easy layup, or you foul him and he makes the 2 from the line.  The Captains were visably frustrated as that game was ending.  If F&M is able to stay in front of him, theyll win by 2o.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 02, 2012, 11:32:06 PM
Good game for the Dips tonight!
I agree F&M will have to do something for Brooks, 52 points!!!

Prediction for tomorrow:
F&M (closer than today though)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on March 02, 2012, 11:54:12 PM
Sorry, as a WCSU student I'm taking Western, but really F&M is the better team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mulefreak02 on March 03, 2012, 12:37:20 AM
nice job by f&m tonight beating up on a weaker team from a weaker conference. the mules were better than york, based on what i saw on video. let's see how the vaunted dips do against a player of division 1 caliber in daquan brooks...looking forward to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 03, 2012, 12:50:26 AM
Quote from: mulefreak02 on March 03, 2012, 12:37:20 AM
nice job by f&m tonight beating up on a weaker team from a weaker conference. the mules were better than york, based on what i saw on video. let's see how the vaunted dips do against a player of division 1 caliber in daquan brooks...looking forward to it.

ah mulefreak, my nemesis from last week.  Interesting points, as i too was in awe of DaQuan Brooks.  What a performance, possibly the best in ncaa tournament history.  My metrics can never account for a guy doing his best teen wolf impression.  We'll see if F&M, who plays great team defense can stop Brooks. 

The OneTinSoldier might need to queue that one tomorrow night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 03, 2012, 08:19:16 AM
I am willing to bet Porter is up to it. Terrific defender and great athlete. When he rests, Georgio will be guarding him. I bet GM will take this as a challenge and will outplay him as the bigger the game, the better he plays. I think F&M is peaking at the right time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 09:52:10 AM
Mulefreak didn't disappoint me.  He took the time to get his negative command posted.  Way to support the Centennial Conference.
Brooks plays a lot like Killing, but with a senior's experience.  Having played Killing, should give F&M an idea of how to cover Brooks.  F&M will have to negate Brook's quickness and provide help to stop the uncontested lay-ups.
My pick is F&M, but the margin of victory depends on the job Porter and company can do on Brooks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 03, 2012, 11:37:04 AM
Mayser was electric last night - reminded me as close to Jersey City State game in '79... The White Out was awesome and President Porterfield in the house... Well, hopefully first of two great nights at Mayser and for Dip Nation... Brooks is real challenge for the Dips - let's hope he used up all of his shots last night...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 03, 2012, 11:47:11 AM
Mulefreak - how about coming on down to L'town tonight and enjoy a NCAA game instead of sitting watching on your PC ... Cold beer after the game at IHB and good Centennial comraderie... You can see what Malique might be in a year or two...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 03, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
The number 3 scorer in the country v. the number 1 defense in the nation.  Should be a war.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 03, 2012, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 09:52:10 AM
Mulefreak didn't disappoint me.  He took the time to get his negative command posted.  Way to support the Centennial Conference.

It's a shame this board has a couple posters like him. Typical, though. The hatred and trolling get to be a bit much.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 03, 2012, 02:42:57 PM

Folks -

My selection for tonight's "Pick-Em" game is:

Franklin And Marshall over Western Connecticut (should be a close game).

Hopefully, the Diplomat fans will pack Mayser center again tonight! Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 03, 2012, 03:23:40 PM
Good luck F&M! Win one for the Centennial Conference tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 03:43:56 PM
Swat Daddy, thanks for the support.  Brooks was quit spectacular last night.  Porter will need to stay out of foul trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 03, 2012, 04:35:05 PM
F&M should win without too much difficulty tonight.  Western is undersized, undisciplined, and one dimensional. F&M has not seen anyone like Brooks---however, Brooks has not seen anything like the F&M defense---meet Porter and Milligan. I think it will be close for a half and then it's all over.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: pizzashop on March 03, 2012, 08:38:27 PM
Hyak! Sweet!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 03, 2012, 08:47:07 PM
Congrats to F&M and to Hyak on a great game! GM in serious foul trouble and still a win. Way to represent the Centennial Conference! Now on to an incredible Amherst team. I watched them play Skidmore last year and they looked like a D1 team.

Congrats to all the F&M fans on here, that was a great win! I picked Hyak as a first teamer and this was why. I am changing my mind and pick him as POY next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 03, 2012, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on March 03, 2012, 08:47:07 PM
Congrats to F&M and to Hyak on a great game! GM in serious foul trouble and still a win. Way to represent the Centennial Conference! Now on to an incredible Amherst team. I watched them play Skidmore last year and they looked like a D1 team.

Congrats to all the F&M fans on here, that was a great win! I picked Hyak as a first teamer and this was why. I am changing my mind and pick him as POY next year.


Thanks, Swat Dad. If the wife does not go into labor, we will make the 45-minute trip to Amherst. We've been waiting a while for F&M football or hoops to play up here, so we'll see what happens.

To those who watched the F&M broadcast, the announcer, Phil Soto-Ortiz had to head out three minutes into the game. His wife went into labor. Must be contagious.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
Dips75
The game probably won't be at Amherst.  The Amherst women have first dibs on the court.  If the women win, they host and the men travel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 09:44:14 PM
Hayk was in a zone-34 points with an unbelievable arsenal of shots.  Milligan only played 18 minutes but managed 14 points.  Milligan was saddled with 2 early fouls to begin each half.  Brewer pick-upped his best game of the season by handling the ball practically flawless for 31 minutes.  Salandra had 11 rebounds, and Porter had 8 points.  Three-point shooting--F&M 1/6--Western 11/32(helped to keep them in the game)  Brooks scored a tough 22 points, but he is a terrific
player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 03, 2012, 10:04:01 PM
Another outstanding game by the Dips tonight! Hayk was amazing!

Ahmerst's women won, so we'll have to wait until tomorrow... F&M, Staten Island, or MIT?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 10:18:33 PM
Rumor has it that MIT opted out of hosting.  Hopefully that rumor is true.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 03, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
Dips75
The game probably won't be at Amherst.  The Amherst women have first dibs on the court.  If the women win, they host and the men travel


I saw that. I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad. Ideally, I'd love to see F&M host, though not likely. But Amherst is close to where we live now, and we've been waiting for years for F&M to play up here.

Of course, even if Amherst's men hosted, my wife would go into labor and we wouldn't make it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2012, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: Dips75 on March 03, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
Dips75
The game probably won't be at Amherst.  The Amherst women have first dibs on the court.  If the women win, they host and the men travel


I saw that. I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad. Ideally, I'd love to see F&M host, though not likely. But Amherst is close to where we live now, and we've been waiting for years for F&M to play up here.

Of course, even if Amherst's men hosted, my wife would go into labor and we wouldn't make it.
Haha, I am totally feeling your pain except in a Wheaton vs VWC hosting scenario.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 03, 2012, 11:27:21 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2012, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: Dips75 on March 03, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
Dips75
The game probably won't be at Amherst.  The Amherst women have first dibs on the court.  If the women win, they host and the men travel


I saw that. I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad. Ideally, I'd love to see F&M host, though not likely. But Amherst is close to where we live now, and we've been waiting for years for F&M to play up here.

Of course, even if Amherst's men hosted, my wife would go into labor and we wouldn't make it.
Haha, I am totally feeling your pain except in a Wheaton vs VWC hosting scenario.

HA! I remember seeing F&M host in some interesting scenarios, but when they are the third highest of the four seeds, and through circumstance both Massachusetts teams had to travel south, it would be...well, ironic, at the very least.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on March 03, 2012, 11:55:26 PM
Such a huge game for Hyak!  That basket were he tossed the ball backwards was worth the price of admission.  I am so happy to see them in the Sweet 16.  I hope I can make the trip to where ever they are playing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 04, 2012, 01:41:59 AM
congrats to F&M. i don't think they will get past amherst but it is possible. i saw toomey play tonight (point) for amherst and he is very good. i think he is a better offensive player than milligan. that matchup should be interesting. i also think that amherst plays a bit bigger and stronger inside than F&M. we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on March 04, 2012, 02:00:31 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 04, 2012, 01:41:59 AM
congrats to F&M. i don't think they will get past amherst but it is possible. i saw toomey play tonight (point) for amherst and he is very good. i think he is a better offensive player than milligan. that matchup should be interesting. i also think that amherst plays a bit bigger and stronger inside than F&M. we shall see.

Toomey is not the athlete Milligan is (particularly strength wise), but I agree that he is a more polished offensive player.  It will be interesting to see how he does against the F&M guards who are fairly long and quick.  Amherst has the power advantage inside but F&M's bigs have been playing very well lately.  I would give Amherst the advantage but F&M matches up with them pretty well.  Despite their high ranking, this Amherst team has not been as impressive as their championship and runner-up teams several years ago (that being said they could still be a Final Four team).  I hope it will be a good game.  I'd like to see the best of the CC beat the NESCAC's best.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on March 04, 2012, 02:56:35 AM
Not to discredit Amherst, but the majority of their big wins were at home.  They played Wesleyan and Williams twice (1 counts in the Nescac standings, 1 doesnt); both of the conference games were at home.  They also only played Middlebury once and once again that was at home.  Not saying they won't win, but Amherst is more vulnerable on the road which is what this will probably be.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 04, 2012, 08:08:20 AM
What is the chance that the game could be played half way between the two? I would think this decision would have to be made pretty soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 04, 2012, 08:15:45 AM
As for the site of the upcoming battle with Amherst, reading the tea leaves it seems that Staten Island is the most likely site with their just barely large enough 1200 seat gym. We will see soon enough. If the players know Dip history they should know F&M owes the Lord Jeffs some payback for 1994 & 2004. They have always had the same approach to F&M. They have packed in the defense to limit the inside game & make us shoot from the perimeter & bet we miss. Here's to hoping this plan would backfire.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 04, 2012, 08:30:00 AM
DB, I think you are correct. I was forgetting it was four teams and not two. If Amherst and MIT won't host, I think it should be F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 04, 2012, 08:40:10 AM
Swat Dad

Staten Island is thought to be seeded higher and is as geo-central as any team could be. Dips are a longer shot as size of gym and attendence aren't emphasized in modern NCAA times.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 04, 2012, 09:02:47 AM
If any of the Commish-level gurus are online, we'd love your take on the location of the F&M-Amherst Sweet Sixteen game... a definite classic in the making!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 04, 2012, 09:59:16 AM
I wonder if they will factor in the sheer pain in the neck it is to get to Staten Island.  Not to mention super expensive tolls.  I don't know how DEEP this place is into SI either.

How far is it off the ferry?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
Gut tells me F&M, but I think Cabrini is the lynchpin. I am not sure NCAA will send all NE teams into MA next weekend... but regional rankings (assumed) seem to give F&M the advantage. Also, rumors about hosting at MIT are just that unless someone has some facts... so don't count your chickens.

I could see MIT getting the chance to host to keep a pod up in NE (for geographical reasons) if Cabrini is hosting as well. But you never know... find out in about 2 to 3 hours.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 04, 2012, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: crambam on March 04, 2012, 09:59:16 AM
I wonder if they will factor in the sheer pain in the neck it is to get to Staten Island.  Not to mention super expensive tolls.  I don't know how DEEP this place is into SI either.

How far is it off the ferry?

its right over 278 from jersey, but i know that is of little impact for you.  see the red star  http://classic.mapquest.com/maps?name=College+of+Staten+Island&city=Staten+Island&state=NY&address=2800+Victory+Blvd&zipcode=10314&country=US&latitude=40.60875&longitude=-74.15379&geocode=ADDRESS&id=1256428
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: fritzdis on March 04, 2012, 11:48:08 AM
The NCAA's bracket (http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/basketball-men/d3 (http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/basketball-men/d3)) now shows F&M as hosting the sectional.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 04, 2012, 12:12:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
But you never know... find out in about 2 to 3 hours.

Less than an hour actually. Midd, F&M are the eastern seaboard hosts for sectionals.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 04, 2012, 12:20:33 PM
fritzdis, since this is the NCAA site, I'm assuming it must be right.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2012, 01:01:19 PM
Yep -- if you follow us on Twitter you also learned almost 90 minutes ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old_hooper on March 04, 2012, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: 7express on March 04, 2012, 02:56:35 AM
Not to discredit Amherst, but the majority of their big wins were at home.  They played Wesleyan and Williams twice (1 counts in the Nescac standings, 1 doesnt); both of the conference games were at home.  They also only played Middlebury once and once again that was at home.  Not saying they won't win, but Amherst is more vulnerable on the road which is what this will probably be.

7express, you are right that Amherst has played huge games at home.  They are a very good team and playing their best ball right now.  The losses they have this year was to Brandeis before the new year in which Toomey was out with injury and the last second shot by Wesleyan at the buzzer.  Coach Hixon said this was a turning point for them in the season and they have played that way ever since.  Middebury is an excellent team that they had big leads on in both games and were able to come back and make them classics to watch.  Their strength is the bench, two big men that rotate time that the oppenents will have to contend with, a PG that is just getting better.  His performance against NYU on Saturday was stellar.  His ability to create and go to the basket and turn them into points with accuracy (either by FG or FT) is what he is doing now so much better than at the beginning of the year.  It they can get the two seniors Barrise and Waller to contribute in double figures they will be very difficult to beat.  F & M at home does present a major challenge for Amherst but they will have to play a complete game to win this game.  This will be two legendary coaches that will put their knowledge and experience to test!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on March 04, 2012, 01:54:58 PM
Also, good luck to F&M moving forward.  Good to talk to a few of the fans at the game yesterday, very hospitible.  Played great defense on DaQuan Brooks, Porter didn't give him anything easy and for the most part stayed in front of him the whole game and didn't get beat off the dribble in the second half like Newport did on Friday.  I'd say the best DaQuan played was the latter stage of the 1st half when Porter & Milligan were out of the game with 2 fouls each.  If they can slow down Aaron Toomey, they may very well be in the final 4.  It's too bad Lancaster is 4.5 hours away, otherwise I'd go back there next weekend for the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 04, 2012, 02:55:31 PM
To the Commishs:
In the explanation area of the announcements for the Sectional sites, you mentioned the 'non-secret regional rankings'.... The last one I can locate was dated 2/22/12  -  http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d3

Q1: Is that the final ranking of note? Q2: Is that where a regional #2 seed like F&M got the nod over a #3 regional seed like MIT?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2012, 03:13:47 PM
Yes -- those are the non-secret ones. There is another regional ranking, which the NCAA and the committee each promised to release, that is conducted in order to guide the selection and bracketing process. That's the secret one. (Apparently the NCAA reneged on the release. Members of the committee have made it pretty clear to us that they wanted to do it.)

So it is not the final ranking of note, but that ranking would have been a big part of the selection site selection process.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 04, 2012, 03:29:36 PM
Pat:
Thanks for the explanation... If you need some guys in Lancaster to get inside the NCAA offices to get the 'secret' rankings, there are some guys at Delta House I know we can count on...

7express: I am glad that your trip to Lancaster was enjoyable and 'hospitable'... Mayser was a pretty good place to be this weekend if you are a D3 hoops junkie... great action, close ball games, packed houses both nights and legendary coaches in the House... WestConn gave it everything they had... F&M 'D" when called on to step up usually answers the call... Milligan's fouls were completely uncharacteristic and nearly devastating for the Dips... We are glad you had a good trip... Brooks was worth the price of admission...

It will be jumping on Friday night in Mayser... We promise to be a hospitable host to our comrades from the North... Amherst will be our ultimate test this season, but that's what we have worked towards... Yeah, a little bit of good fortune like 2009 always helps but this sectional is particularly strong...

Let's go Dips!!!
Thought some would enjoy the local coverage from last night...
http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/598139_Gyokchyan-lifts-Diplomats-into-Sweet-16.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 04, 2012, 04:05:55 PM
The only bad thing about this weekend is it is the start of F&M's spring break so the student count will be way down. I do know some will stay especially for Friday night, but Saturday, I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 04, 2012, 06:30:45 PM
Any F&M student that truly cares about the team and is there to see them win rather than just be seen, will stick around.  I know when I was a student there, that's what I did.  Went to Ohio, went to Rochester, and even slummed to New Jersey during spring break.

This is a big deal.  If F&M beats Amherst, it will be huge.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 04, 2012, 08:49:20 PM
A lot of students have travel plans, so many won't be able to stay around.
Student support hasn't been great all year, but the students have been great the last two weekends.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: magicman on March 05, 2012, 03:14:48 AM
Quote from: 7express on March 04, 2012, 02:56:35 AM
Not to discredit Amherst, but the majority of their big wins were at home.  They played Wesleyan and Williams twice (1 counts in the Nescac standings, 1 doesnt); both of the conference games were at home.  They also only played Middlebury once and once again that was at home.  Not saying they won't win, but Amherst is more vulnerable on the road which is what this will probably be.

Actually they played Middlebury twice. Once during the regular season and then they faced off for the NESCAC Tournament Championship. Both times the game was played at Amherst and both times Amherst won by 2 points. The first game was an overtime affair and in both games Middlebury had to overcome double digit deficits. In the regular season game Amherst had a 16 point lead with 5:15 left in the first half but Middlebury closed on a 14-2 run to cut it to a 4 point halftime deficit. Amherst continued to lead until the Panthers went ahead for the first time with 3:21 left. Amherst's Aaron Toomey hit 2 free throws to send it to OT and Amherst got a putback off a missed 3 pointer with 2 seconds left in the extra session to win it 77-75.

The second game for the Tournament Championship again found the Panthers down at the half, this time by double digits 36-26. Amherst extended that advantage and had a 15 point lead at 56-41, with under 10 minutes left in the game. Once again Middlebury fought back and finally caught the Lord Jeffs at 68 with 30 seconds remaining on 2 Joey Kizell free throws. Amherst, with their final possession worked the clock down and with 3 seconds left got a 3 pointer from Taylor Barrisse. They fouled Kizell on the inbounds pass to prevent a tying 3 and he went to the line made the 1st and intentionally missed the 2nd hoping for a putback that didn't happen and Amherst won 71-69.

Amherst only lost 2 games all year, both on the road, at Brandeis (where their top scorer and floor leader Toomey was out with an injury) and at Wesleyan where they had a 1 point lead as the game wound down and were called for a foul with 2 seconds left to play. The Wesleyan player made them both and Amherst lost 68-67. They didn't get beat on a buzzer beater as an earlier poster stated.

Both ranking systems, Massey Ratings and The D3 Basketball index by Jim Eddy show this to be a very close game. They both have Amherst rated as a 2 point favorite. Massey predicts a final score of Amherst winning 69-67. This score takes into account the home court advantage that the Diplomats will enjoy. I don't know who will win this game, but if I had to bet on it I'd pick Amherst. I've seen both teams play 3 or 4 times this year and would give the Lord Jeffs a slight edge because they have 3 very good guards. They can all shoot the 3 ball well and can get to the hoop. That being said, the Diplomats have 2 very good players of their own in Georgio and Hayk. Either guy is capable of taking over a game and against Amherst they will both need to be at their best. Whatever the result of this game is, the fans will be the winners, as they should be treated to a great basketball game.       
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 09:04:29 AM
Amherst/F&M should be an amazing game.  This game will come down to two questions.  First can Amherst break the amazingly disciplined, halfcourt defense of F&M?  it is the best in the country.  Amherst does have the one thing you want against F&M's style, which is a three point sharpshooter.  Hit a few early 3's, take the Diplomats out of their comfort zone and set the tempo.

Second, how will the refs call this game?  Amherst, is amazing from the charity stripe.  A game that gets mired in the muck with several fouls favors the Jeffs.  a Let them play mentality definitely favors the home team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 05, 2012, 09:26:12 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 09:04:29 AM
Amherst/F&M should be an amazing game.  This game will come down to two questions.  First can Amherst break the amazingly disciplined, halfcourt defense of F&M?  it is the best in the country.  Amherst does have the one thing you want against F&M's style, which is a three point sharpshooter.  Hit a few early 3's, take the Diplomats out of their comfort zone and set the tempo.

Second, how will the refs call this game?  Amherst, is amazing from the charity stripe.  A game that gets mired in the muck with several fouls favors the Jeffs.  a Let them play mentality definitely favors the home team. 

It seems like F&M is knocked out every year by a team with good 3-point shooting. Amherst apparently has a powerful inside game as well, so this looks like the most difficult matchup F&M has seen since Virginia Wesleyan last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 05, 2012, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 04, 2012, 08:15:45 AM
If the players know Dip history they should know F&M owes the Lord Jeffs some payback for 1993 & 2004. They have always had the same approach to F&M. They have packed in the defense to limit the inside game & make us shoot from the perimeter & bet we miss. Here's to hoping this plan would backfire.

D.B., this is the first thing I thought when the brackets came out - another potential meeting with Amherst. I think the game in 1994 was harder to take than 2004 because the Dips had only lost to Princeton that year, and I believe F&M was ranked No. 1 or 2 in the nation. There was also the added dagger of LVC beating Amherst the following night and ultimately winning the national title after F&M had beaten the Dutchmen twice.

It will be interesting to see if the Dips can break the Amherst hex in Mayser Gym. It sounds like this Amherst team might be the best of the three (1994, 2004, 2012) to play F&M in the NCAAs. If they pack the paint like you predict, the Dips will need to hit a few threes to stay in this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 05, 2012, 10:11:08 AM
The Dips don't hit 3s.

Not this year.

And you're right.  It was 1994.  In 1993, they lost to Rowan in a horrifically refereed game.  In 1994 they were upset in their own gym.  It was sickening to watch.  And yes worse because LVC were given the title because the ref didn't know that a shot after the game is over doesn't count.

I also agree that the refs will play a factor in this game.  If they call light fouls, F&M has no chance.  If they let the best defense in the country play, they do have a chance.

Not having a 3 point guy is a killer.  Anyone got Tommy Nicholson's number?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
Coach Robinson's system seems to negate the need for a three point shooter.  Missed 3's lead to long rebounds which lead to fast break points which goes against everything the F&M coach preaches.  When you play inside so well, and have strong offensive rebounders better to just pound down low.  Also from what i've watched the last few weeks, this Diplomat team plays incredibly well on the baseline. 

The difference in the 04 game was a guy named Adam Harper, a defensive specialist.  This time F&M has the defenisive specialists. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 05, 2012, 10:43:27 AM
Let's hope so.  I watched last week's game against Western Connecticut and really focused my attention on Matt Porter.  He was incredible when he was allowed to be in the game.  He was a big part in slowing down the #3 scorer in the nation.  Brooks wouldn't have even had 22 had Porter and Milligan been allowed to play the full game.

I really hope the refs let them play.

But historically, the Dips HAVE had good outside shooters.  Jeremiah Henry and Tommy Nicholson were great 3 point threats to name two. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 10:48:57 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 05, 2012, 10:33:20 AM

The difference in the 04 game was a guy named Adam Harper, a defensive specialist.  This time F&M has the defenisive specialists.

Not saying he's the same as Adam Harper, but Amherst's Willy Workman was the NESCAC Defensive Player of the Year this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2012, 11:08:29 AM

I am going to try and get out to the games at least on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on March 05, 2012, 11:41:04 AM
The game should be an interesting one.  I think Porter's length and quickness combination could slow Toomey down(we'll see if he can regularly stay in front of Toomey though) and Milligan could also be effective against him.  I actually think F&M matches up defensively better with Toomey than Amherst does defensively with Milligan.  Toomey may be able to stay in front of Milligan but lacks the strength and length while Workman and Barrise may struggle because while they long, they are not as quick laterally.  On the other hand, outside of matching up with each team's top player, I think most of the other match ups will favor the Jeffs.  This game could very well come down to which team has second and third guys step up and play well.  I think F&M can win the game at home but they may need to knock down a few early jumpers to open up the post and driving lanes a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 06, 2012, 11:04:47 AM
Quote from: ddm1027 on March 05, 2012, 11:41:04 AM
The game should be an interesting one.  I think Porter's length and quickness combination could slow Toomey down(we'll see if he can regularly stay in front of Toomey though) and Milligan could also be effective against him.  I actually think F&M matches up defensively better with Toomey than Amherst does defensively with Milligan.  Toomey may be able to stay in front of Milligan but lacks the strength and length while Workman and Barrise may struggle because while they long, they are not as quick laterally.  On the other hand, outside of matching up with each team's top player, I think most of the other match ups will favor the Jeffs.  This game could very well come down to which team has second and third guys step up and play well.  I think F&M can win the game at home but they may need to knock down a few early jumpers to open up the post and driving lanes a bit.

Aside from the individual matchups, there is also the x-factor of Hixon vs. Robinson - two of the best to ever coach in D-III. Hixon has had success beating Robinson's system in the past. I think in-game adjustments could play a big role on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2012, 11:54:55 AM

Any word on game times and ticket info yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 06, 2012, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 06, 2012, 11:54:55 AM

Any word on game times and ticket info yet?

MIT/CSI 530, F&M game 730, Saturdays game at 7
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2012, 01:19:38 PM
Great story about 2 pg in the MidAtlantic regions on the front page, Lemons from Cabrini and Milligan from F&M.

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/senior-guards (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/senior-guards)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 06, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
TICKETS
On Sale at Mayser Center West Lobby
Wednesday: Noon – 2 p.m.
Thursday: Noon- 2 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. – 7:00 pm
Friday: Doors open at 4:00 p.m.
Saturday: Doors open at 5:30 p.m.

Tickets for Friday: $7 adults, $4 student and seniors, free for children under two
Tickets for Saturday: Available at the conclusion of the second game on Friday evening and after 5:30 p.m. on Saturday in the Mayser Lobbies
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
njf1003,
get your friends to stay Friday and pack the DIPZONE.
I'll be in my seat early. Hoping for 2000+ fans, but it'll be tough with the break.
Last Friday was one of the largest crowds in my 40+ year attendance at Mayser.(top 10)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 06, 2012, 10:51:09 PM
i like toomey alot at point guard. better shooter than milligan and better offensively. i also think amherst is stronger on the boards than f&m.
i pick:
amherst
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2012, 08:48:36 AM
Quote from: njf1003 on March 06, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
TICKETS
On Sale at Mayser Center West Lobby
Wednesday: Noon – 2 p.m.
Thursday: Noon- 2 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. – 7:00 pm
Friday: Doors open at 4:00 p.m.
Saturday: Doors open at 5:30 p.m.

Tickets for Friday: $7 adults, $4 student and seniors, free for children under two
Tickets for Saturday: Available at the conclusion of the second game on Friday evening and after 5:30 p.m. on Saturday in the Mayser Lobbies

Any chance they'll sell out before Friday?  I live 90 minutes away and probably won't be there until right before tip off of the opening game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2012, 09:46:03 AM
I don't think it will be sold out, but I don't know what kind of following Amherst, MIT, and Staten Island have.  F&M usually have about 1000+ at home games.  Supposedly the gym can seat 3000, but that would be packing them in.  Plus, F&M spring break starts on Friday.  Hope to see you there.  It should be a great weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 07, 2012, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 07, 2012, 08:48:36 AM
Quote from: njf1003 on March 06, 2012, 08:22:16 PM

Any chance they'll sell out before Friday?  I live 90 minutes away and probably won't be there until right before tip off of the opening game.

There is no chance the game will sell out.  The students are on spring break and the F&M gym is too big.  Expect a crowd similar to past title weekends (15-1800 range), that is crowded but well below capacity
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
D3 board question
Which men's host is most likely to get upset?
Franklin and Marshall
Middlebury
UW-Whitewater
Wooster

So, if F&M gets beat by Amherst, that's considered an upset?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2012, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
D3 board question
Which men's host is most likely to get upset?
Franklin and Marshall
Middlebury
UW-Whitewater
Wooster

So, if F&M gets beat by Amherst, that's considered an upset?

I wouldn't think so. I'd make Amherst a 5-point favorite in Mayser, and an 8-10 point favorite anywhere else.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2012, 01:46:58 PM
So far 56 people consider it an upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
If the question asked "Which home team is most likely to lose," it would make sense to pick F&M. Based on the D3hoops.com Top 25, F&M is the third-best team in this sectional behind Amherst and MIT.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: amh63 on March 07, 2012, 02:10:39 PM
I asked the same questions posted here on D3hoops latest poll.  If it was to get attention, it has.  I took it as a badly worked question...as a result of a compromise of the four host schools.  As posted here, it should have just stated host school losing, IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 07, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
i don't think it is an upset if we all agree that amherst is clearly a better team. i would say they are, therefore i believe they should win either home or away. i would say amherst by 12-15 at amherst and by 8-12 at f&m.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 07, 2012, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2012, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
D3 board question
Which men's host is most likely to get upset?
Franklin and Marshall
Middlebury
UW-Whitewater
Wooster

So, if F&M gets beat by Amherst, that's considered an upset?

I wouldn't think so. I'd make Amherst a 5-point favorite in Mayser, and an 8-10 point favorite anywhere else.

If there was a line in Vegas, it'd probably be F&M -2.5.  two top ten teams, similar records, advantage always goes to the home team.  i'm very interested to see how amherst plays against the F&M defense. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 07, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 07, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
i don't think it is an upset if we all agree that amherst is clearly a better team. i would say they are, therefore i believe they should win either home or away. i would say amherst by 12-15 at amherst and by 8-12 at f&m.

i dont know how anyone could look at amherst and say they are "clearly" the better team.  Amherst is the better offensive team, although their fg % matches that of the diplomats last five weeks.  F&M is clearly the better defensive team.  Amherst's potential advantages come at the ft line and behind the arc, and this game will be a question of whether those advantages counter F&M's defensive athleticism.  If Amherst can build a 6-8 point lead and keep F&M at arm's length, they win. If F&M uses the home court to play a stifling back-and-forth game, i think F&M wins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2012, 03:41:47 PM
soldier, I agree with cent fan - Amherst should be favored. Some people have said that Amherst is arguably the best team in D-III, and after watching one of their recent games, I could see how that might be the case. And yes, F&M is ranked in the top 10, but I think they're on the edge of that elite group, while Amherst is at the top of that group. When you combine this with F&M's historic struggles with Amherst in Mayser Gym and the Dips' lack of perimeter shooting, Amherst should be the clear favorite.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 08, 2012, 07:50:02 AM
congrats to liddic, goldberg and ward for being awarded academic honor roll in the centennial along with their first team all conference accolades. congratulations to these student athletes!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 08, 2012, 07:54:07 AM
soldier...f&m is very good, no question, and they can beat amherst. i just don't think they will. their defense is rated very high but they also haven't defended against the best teams in the country (like amherst). now they will. again, i think toomey and the bigs on both the boards and offensive end will get amherst the victory. should be exciting!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: amh63 on March 08, 2012, 09:25:11 AM
Dave M. of D3Hoopsville has posted on the NESCAC board that he will be in Lancaster to support F&M coverage of the games....with the addition of more cameras, etc.  The pod, as posted here, is loaded with top teams, three of the most highly rated BB teams remaining in the country.  With Hope gone, the no. 2, 3  remain.  Lots of talented players to watch and good battles ahead.  I'm excited!  Save me a seat someone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2012, 09:35:04 AM
Get there early and you shouldn't have a problem.
Were tickets sold at Amherst?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: amh63 on March 08, 2012, 09:55:42 AM
Not sure.  Based on my limited knowledge of NCAA procedures, usually around 200 tickets are given to the participating schools to sell on campus.  Any remaining unsold tickets are returned to the host school for general admissions.
Since I'm coming from the D.C. area, I will pick up my ticket at the door.  Large number of alums in D.C. area and also some family members of players.  Hope to see Adam Harper at the game...he looked in game shape in Jan.  Maybe Amherst can sneak him in the game and help Amherst as he did in 2004.  Hope to see another Alum player up for the game....one of the best outside shooters in Amherst history....about the same build and size of one of the present Amherst players.  Hope he still has his legs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2012, 10:39:06 AM

If I do show up, I'd love to meet other posters.  I'll be the only guy in the building with an Eastern Nazarene College t-shirt on.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2012, 11:13:32 AM
I should be there early enough to be in my 'reserved seat'.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: amh63 on March 08, 2012, 02:58:57 PM
Hoops Fan.....Will look for you.....what color is the T-shirt?  helps in scanning the fans.
Reserved Seat.....Now where will your private seat be? Not in the DipZone!   Next to the Dips bench?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2012, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: amh63 on March 08, 2012, 02:58:57 PM
Hoops Fan.....Will look for you.....what color is the T-shirt?  helps in scanning the fans.
Reserved Seat.....Now where will your private seat be? Not in the DipZone!   Next to the Dips bench?

Likely it will be red.  I also sport an unkempt faux-hawk.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 08, 2012, 05:53:00 PM
Hoops:

You were younger than I thought you'd be. You're wise beyond your years. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 08, 2012, 05:53:00 PM
Hoops:

You were younger than I thought you'd be. You're wise beyond your years.

I'm also older than I look.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 08, 2012, 09:25:19 PM

My "pick-ems" predictions for tomorrow night at Mayser:

MIT over Staten Island
Franklin And Marshall over Amherst

See you there. Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
amh63,
I've been sitting in Mayser since 1966.  My 'current' seat for the last 30 years is behind the scorer's table.
Parking will probably be a challenge.

diplomanias1,
I agree with your picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 08, 2012, 09:44:57 PM
I'm going to agree with the picks so far:
F&M
MIT

I think they should both be great games!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2012, 10:05:41 PM
F&M play-off history and records
http://static.psbin.com/q/9/uwhc47rlo8adci/playoffrecords-2012.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on March 08, 2012, 11:03:28 PM
I'll go with MIT & Amherst.  Glad to meat Reservedseat in line last Saturday, wish I was going back there this weekend, should be a good couple of games there, I'll be keeping tabs up at Amherst of these 2 along with the Eastern Cabrini game.  Safe travels to anyone traveling to games tomorrow night
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 09, 2012, 07:56:00 AM
I admit, this is the first game in a long time where I feel F&M is the true underdog.  They need to be ON tonight, and the refs need to let them play.

If they win tonight, I'm going to every F&M game the rest of the season, which hopefully will be 3 more.  We owe Amherst. 

I hope this team knows its history and has that little extra incentive. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2012, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2012, 09:41:06 PM

Parking will probably be a challenge.

I was noticing that on the google maps last night.  Do you suggest parking on the street on College or trying to find something on campus?

I'm planning to get there early to make sure I've got a spot, but it still looks tight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2012, 08:55:10 AM
Parking could be worse than expected since there's a big swimming meet going on all weekend.
Williamson parking lot beside the football field would be your first choice, but the employees may not have left for the day.  I'm hoping to get on this lot.
College Ave. would be another option. 
Good luck.  It could be a nightmare finding a spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2012, 08:55:10 AM
Parking could be worse than expected since there's a big swimming meet going on all weekend.
Williamson parking lot beside the football field would be your first choice, but the employees may not have left for the day.  I'm hoping to get on this lot.
College Ave. would be another option. 
Good luck.  It could be a nightmare finding a spot.

I'd love to have a parking lot named after me some day.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 09, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
Park on the street.  You'll be fine. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 09, 2012, 09:23:07 AM
On the mean streets of Lancaster?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2012, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: crambam on March 09, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
Park on the street.  You'll be fine.

I just didn't know if the street would be full at that time of day - I figured the locals could let me know.  Thanks.

I'll probably check out the football lot, then head to the street if need be.  I should be there by 4:30 or so.  It should be fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 09, 2012, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 09, 2012, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: crambam on March 09, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
Park on the street.  You'll be fine.

I just didn't know if the street would be full at that time of day - I figured the locals could let me know.  Thanks.

I'll probably check out the football lot, then head to the street if need be.  I should be there by 4:30 or so.  It should be fine.

If there is a swim meet, my guess is security is going to block the football field lot.  I usually park in the retail spots behind Iron hill or on the street on college ave.  Actually at that time of day turn down New or Frederick st.'s and youll get a spot which is as close as parking in the football field lot. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2012, 01:32:22 PM
Must be the quiet before the storm.  No posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 09, 2012, 08:45:52 PM
36-35 Dips at the half - refs are keeping Amhest in game - several very questionable calls - so much for homer refs!?!?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 09, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Wow, great win. Fun game to watch. GM clearly the best player on the floor. Now win and get to the final four!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 09, 2012, 09:50:58 PM
Congrats to F&M!  There are now 3 MidAtlantic teams in the elite 8.  F&M, Scranton, and Cabrini.  Great job MidAtlantic teams!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 09, 2012, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on March 09, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Wow, great win. Fun game to watch. GM clearly the best player on the floor. Now win and get to the final four!

That was an impressive win. Overall, a very strong performance by the Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 09, 2012, 09:59:17 PM
Quote from: oftdip on March 09, 2012, 08:45:52 PM
36-35 Dips at the half - refs are keeping Amhest in game - several very questionable calls - so much for homer refs!?!?

Not the first time that has happened against Amherst in Lancaster. But the win is the first time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 09, 2012, 10:07:33 PM
Well, I'm really happy those women did so well in Amherst.

Hell of a game by the Dips except on the foul line.

I'm so excited they beat Amherst.  I just hope they didn't use up all their good play because it doesn't get easier tomorrow.

MIT is good, and plays a MUCH better defense.  Hopefully they'll slow things down.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 09, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
Dips are on a Milligan mission right now - he needed to play like an All-American when Hayk got his second foul... He was fantastic tonight - still a couple of cheap silly fouls - he finished with 4 fouls again... Porter, Salandra and Early made Amherst forget about Hayk on the pine...
I hope the boys get to bed tonight early... Is the school providing free dinner again tomorrow night? The Mayser Center was rocking tonight!!! D3 hoops at its best...

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2012, 10:37:26 PM
Hayk in foul trouble.
F&M 3-point shooting 0 for 1
F&M foul shooting 16 for 28
F&M wins by 9.
Milligan plays fantastic.
Subs play great.
Salandra and Early help balance Amherst's strength under the boards.
Porter and company play defense to keep Amherst from getting open threes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 09, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: oftdip on March 09, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
Dips are on a Milligan mission right now - he needed to play like an All-American when Hayk got his second foul... He was fantastic tonight - still a couple of cheap silly fouls - he finished with 4 fouls again... Porter, Salandra and Early made Amherst forget about Hayk on the pine...
I hope the boys get to bed tonight early... Is the school providing free dinner again tomorrow night? The Mayser Center was rocking tonight!!! D3 hoops at its best...
Yep, they are providing Brunch and Dinner tomorrow!
Unfortunately, I won't be there tomorrow. :( Stupid Spring Break! I have a flight home to catch tomorrow!
Prediction for tomorrow:
F&M (it should be another good one, and hopefully some more MIT fans find Lancaster tomorrow.)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2012, 12:07:44 AM

Just got back from the games.  F & M is way better than I thought.  They are big and strong and deep and Milligan is the best guard I've seen all year.

The game was a bit rough and the refs messed up the second half pretty royally, but Amherst had a legit chance in the end and they didn't do it.  Milligan hit some timely shots and F & M deservedly took it home.

I don't see them having any trouble with MIT tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: old_hooper on March 10, 2012, 12:27:18 AM
Congratulations to F & M.  Great game plan and effort.  GM was terrific!  Was very impressed with Early stepping up like he did in a big game.  Defense  made it very difficult for Amherst to get players involved that needed too.  Well deserved win and proved the Dips were the better team tonight.  With another effort on defense against MIT like tonight and pounding it inside on offense, I will give the edge to F & M for a trip to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 10, 2012, 01:48:44 AM
once again, one tin soldier has delivered a prediction as strong as a billy jack roundhouse kick to the face.  i had a feeling i would set the line at f&m -4 and still wouldve won.  The defensive intensity is amazing.  that said, i believed there was one team at the beginning of this tournament that really should scare F&M fans.  its a team that not only plays great defense, but also can shoot out the lights.  that team is MIT.  tomorrow should be intense

its weird, but i see this going the way of either of 2 previous f&m elite eight games.  either they blow them out like Wilkes in 96, or defensive intensity is too much like Amh in 04.  cannot wait. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 10, 2012, 06:54:18 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 08, 2012, 10:39:06 AM

If I do show up, I'd love to meet other posters.  I'll be the only guy in the building with an Eastern Nazarene College t-shirt on.
I walked around the court twice before the first game, but was unable to locate your shirt.  Talked with several MIT fans who were discussing their point guard.  Based on what they said before the game, he must have had one of the worse games of his career.
After watching MIT only once this year(last night), I pick F&M to win tonight since they played a more balanced game and have more depth.  MIT rode their starting 5 hard in a game that was an obvious victory early. F&M's continued lack of a three-point game and bad fouls shooting could be problem, if MIT nails their 3's like last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 10, 2012, 08:52:02 AM
What a win for the Dips, getting rid of the Amherst ghosts. It was as great an atmosphere as you'll see in college hoops. Milligan's clutch performance has to go down as one of the best in F&M history.

MIT looked very impressive. I agree with Reserved Seat that F&M's continued lack of a 3-point game could hurt them. So could missing free throws. The Dips seemed to leave it all on the court last night, and I don't know how that will affect them against MIT, since the Engineers had a relatively easy win.

njf1003, I hope you and your friends are re-arranging some flights to stay for the Elite 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 10, 2012, 09:40:25 AM
That's my fear too.

The only way to beat MIT is to play as well and with the same kind of mission that got them by Amherst.  I'm really hoping they aren't like the 2003 Yankees, who in the ALCS, threw everything they had against the Red Sox, beat them in dramatic fashion, only to lose to a lesser team in the World Series because they just nothing left.

I have waited a long time to beat Amherst.  I would hate to see it end tonight against a team that is obviously capable of blowing anyone out on any night.

MIT is good.  To go to Salem, F&M is going to have to be great.  I'll be there tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 10, 2012, 10:34:02 AM
F&M was very good last night.  Amherst did not play well but maybe because of the defense.  Milligan was sensational.  Kudos to the broadcast team, the video was great and the commentary relatively unbiased.  Good job to the F&M crew---plus DMac.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 10, 2012, 10:50:06 AM
Dips will need more than Georgio tonight... My personal wishlist for tonight's clash is pretty simple: 1- please have refs that are not present residents of a Senior-living center; 2 - let the boys play - MIT looked very athletic as are the Dips - let them play!; packed house - students got free food again today - one more home game!; and finally, get Georgio one more trip to Salem - he deserves it!!! Let the Mayser Madness continue!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 10, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
Will there be any issues getting a ticket tonight? My guys are officially out so I won't be as torn about whether to stay home and watch my own team on a grainy internet broadcast and enjoying the thrill of a playoff game in person like I was last weekend.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 10, 2012, 11:18:49 AM
Probably not - CoSI fans went home and that was a good size group that traveled south... I am hoping the students stay one more night - free food today on campus - I'd get there by 6:15 to be safe and get a seat too...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 10, 2012, 12:11:24 PM
Some thoughts. When Georgio (he was the point guard the team needed desperately) came on the team 3 years ago he was given a talented team (McNally, Baker & Brooks) & I had hoped he would lead us to some Final 4's & the elusive Title game. No matter what else happens they took care of a ghost from the past yesterday that was appreciated greatly. If he leads this otherwise young & deep team back he will have to go down as at least the co-greatest Dip player ever. My other favorites for the honor were Donny Marsh (NBA/CBA caliber star) & Chris Finch (potential Houston Rocket head coach in waiting).

As a matter for concern MIT shot it lights out from behind the arc (seemed like 90% at half & 60% for the game against CSI), with their discipline & size are a formidable opponent. On the other hand they only seemed to go only 5-6 deep & tended to kick the ball aroung when CSI applied the press. If the Dips could beat this tough squad and make the FF (by beating the #2 & #3 teams) to face Scranton/Cabrini victor it would be the greatest since 1991 E8 victory over defending national champ Rochester in OT secondary to heroics by Will Lasky.

Go Dips Go. Don't look back because something might be gaining on you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 10, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 10, 2012, 08:52:02 AM
What a win for the Dips, getting rid of the Amherst ghosts. It was as great an atmosphere as you'll see in college hoops. Milligan's clutch performance has to go down as one of the best in F&M history.

MIT looked very impressive. I agree with Reserved Seat that F&M's continued lack of a 3-point game could hurt them. So could missing free throws. The Dips seemed to leave it all on the court last night, and I don't know how that will affect them against MIT, since the Engineers had a relatively easy win.

njf1003, I hope you and your friends are re-arranging some flights to stay for the Elite 8.
I didn't re-arrange flights! :( (as I sit in PHL waiting to head home)
There should be a good number of students but probably not as many as yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on March 10, 2012, 02:35:50 PM
Congratulations Diplomats!  I am pumped at last night's win. I want them to beat MIT, since this will be the first time in 24 years of following the team I can go to the Final Four.

I am worrried about MIT's size. But, I have faith in F & M's lock down D.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 10, 2012, 04:46:01 PM

Great atmosphere last night with a nearly full house. Congrats to the Diplomats.

My pick for tonight is Franklin And Marshall over MIT.

Should be a good game and a close one at that!

Go Diplomats! Let's get back to Salem.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 10, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 10, 2012, 12:11:24 PMIf If the Dips could beat this tough squad and make the FF (by beating the #2 & #3 teams) to face Scranton/Cabrini victor...

Scranton and Cabrini are on the other side of the bracket, tonights winner gets the winner of VWU and UWW.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 11, 2012, 01:11:47 AM
That was one seriously packed gym. That's gotta be the most packed decently sized gym I've ever seen for a playoff game. I parked like a half mile away. I thought the students were on spring break... :P
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 11, 2012, 01:16:32 AM
As i predicted last night, F&m ran into a team that played stellar defense but could also shoot well.  I think the emotion of Friday really took a toll early.  most of the missed shots early were short, a rarity for F&M.  for the first five minutes, it looked like Salandra was the only player who realized they were playing for a final four trip.  Then, when things get going Porter gets hurt.  That opened up the door for number 4, who is the quickest player i've ever seen at this level.  Why he's not D1 i have no idea. 

So porter comes back in half 2, but MIT then puts on an amazing clinic of fundamental arms-length basketball.  at no point in the second half did F&M get within 7.  They wore clock, played smart, waited for shots and effectively shortened the game.

the following needs to be said, F&m didnt just get outcoached, they got badly outcoached.  Not using the use it or lose it time out, not using a timeout until the team was down 14 late, not having an offensive strategy such as a pick and pop to try and jump start the team, just unacceptable.  GRob is the best xs and o's coach in D3 history, everything revolves around the system.  But to not use game management is absurd

Sad day.  this might be the best F&M team i've ever seen since starting in the late 90s (the only one thats debatable is 2010, and similar to that night the team was emotionally spent from a great sweet 16 affair).  Milligan is the greatest player in school history.  But they lost a game that was very much winnable.  Too many missed fts.  too many missed assignments. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 11, 2012, 06:25:38 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 11, 2012, 01:16:32 AM
GRob is the best xs and o's coach in D3 history, everything revolves around the system.  But to not use game management is absurd

Sad day.  this might be the best F&M team i've ever seen since starting in the late 90s (the only one thats debatable is 2010, and similar to that night the team was emotionally spent from a great sweet 16 affair).  Milligan is the greatest player in school history.  But they lost a game that was very much winnable.  Too many missed fts.  too many missed assignments.

LOLOL, on the GRob comment.
Dave Janetta is the best to ever wear an F&M uni. I'll take him to war with me anyday.
Stream of the game was crystal clear, unlike the American Legion Hall Scranton played in. Fuzzy...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 11, 2012, 08:34:06 AM
Unable to get on the message board last night.  My computer said the site was down or overwhelmed.
F&M was never able to get into the flow of the game.  MIT's defense was tight and physical.  MIT's big men keep F&M was getting any position under the boards making it hard for the guards to get the ball inside.  MIT's threes killed F&M, and as
F&M missed foul shot after foul shot, they seem to lose confidence in their whole game.  MIT's guards were incredible. Whereas most teams have one decent guard, maybe 2, MIT had three defensively and offensively. F&M didn't seem to make any adjust as they did the night before against Amherst.  MIT's coach doesn't have to do much,  he pretty much just rode 5 men both night.  Fortunately, they didn't seem to tire, and could play through foul trouble late in the second half.  Porter's injury early in the first half didn't help F&M defense since he and Milligan are the key defensive personnel.  Even when he return in spurts for the second half he was significantly limping.
MIT looks like they have the horses to go all the way.  Foul trouble could hurt them, because the bench must be weak.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 11, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
I don't think Robinson got outcoached badly. 

The best coach in the world can't make your layups and foul shots.  MIT played a good game, but F&M held them to under 70.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 11, 2012, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 11, 2012, 01:16:32 AM
As i predicted last night, F&m ran into a team that played stellar defense but could also shoot well.  I think the emotion of Friday really took a toll early.  most of the missed shots early were short, a rarity for F&M.  for the first five minutes, it looked like Salandra was the only player who realized they were playing for a final four trip.  Then, when things get going Porter gets hurt.  That opened up the door for number 4, who is the quickest player i've ever seen at this level.  Why he's not D1 i have no idea. 

Kates had an invited walk on spot to Cornell, but he came to MIT (and be a starter from day 1).  Hollingsworth is also a D1 transfer from Brown (he didn't play all that great last night). 

Also, despite a few of them being listed as seniors, all the starters (except for the injured Bender who didnt play last night), have at least year of eligibility left because of medical redshirt seasons (Hollingsworth, Karraker, and McCue, to go along with Juniors Kates and Tashman).

Quote from: crambam on March 11, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
I don't think Robinson got outcoached badly. 

The best coach in the world can't make your layups and foul shots.  MIT played a good game, but F&M held them to under 70.

MIT only averaged 72 ppg for their conference schedule, so holding them to 69 is really only a basket under their average.  They play a really controlled tempo game (reflection of Coach Anderson), so when they play other good teams, they typically dont score out of the 70s.  They arent a team that is going to run wild up and down the court, unless they are playing a really overmatched team. Their game hinges as much on ball/tempo control, poise of their players, and executing the game plan as it does on the talent of their players (which I believe MIT has very talented players).

I really thought the difference in the game was Kates.  In the first 37.5 minutes of the game, he held Milligan to 14 points on 5-16 shooting, 2 assists, and 4 TOs (0.5 A/TO) (Milligan scored 9 points in the last 2.5 minutes, when I felt the game was already decided, when F&M went to a more desperation style offense).  Meanwhile, he was also able to be effective on the offensive end, getting past Milligan one-on-one pretty regularly.  Obviously, knocking down outside shots was crucial, but a lot of those were also setup by Kates drawing help after getting by his defender (he had 8 assists).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 11, 2012, 11:32:50 AM
Which ever way you look at the F&M/MIT game, the best team won.  MIT was clearly the best team in the sectional.  They remind me of the Washington U team of 2008---solid fundamentals and very poised.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 11, 2012, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 11, 2012, 11:32:50 AM
Which ever way you look at the F&M/MIT game, the best team won.  MIT was clearly the best team in the sectional.  They remind me of the Washington U team of 2008---solid fundamentals and very poised.


MIT was quite impressive. They were stout defensively, comparable to F&M. They were very, very physical, even bruising, with both Porter and Salandra getting roughed up early and other F&M players taking a lot of shots. And they could hit shots from anywhere on the floor, with their eyes closed, or even from the concession stand. Anything they put up went down, especially from outside. That kind of team is very tough to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 11, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
Now that the emotions have settled a bit, congratulations to F&M on a terrific season to cap off a great four year run with Georgio Milligan.  He clearly deserves all the honors he has won and will be remembered as one of the best, both at F&M and in the CC.  Bravo Zulu, Georgio.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 11, 2012, 04:37:26 PM
To all on the MIT compliments, they deserve everyone of them... what a poised mature team... men on a mission and they achieved it... Dips were off as much as they were beaten... never had been behind by more than nine points all year until last night...
Very proud of this team, especially when you lose McNally - Tolliver - Baker in one class... Some of the energy is now back in Mayser, I have not seen it that packed since the Marsh/Manaskie/Lasky days... Just damned good D3 hoops...

Some great reading this AM in Lancaster paper on what D3 sports are or should be all about...
http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/602360_Division-III-and-college-sports-at-its-best.html

I think MIT can run the table...Good luck in Salem...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 11, 2012, 05:33:54 PM
Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.(30-3)
I believe this is Dr. Seuss quote.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 11, 2012, 05:50:00 PM
Dave McHugh... I did not get to hear you his weekend as I was at all four Mayser games... so how was your trip to Lancaster, F&M and Mayser? Have you been there before? I know many of us Dipsters woud appreciate your thoughts...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2012, 05:55:27 PM
You wouldn't have heard me... I entrusted the calls of the games to those we brought in or were already there. However, I was ready to step in when necessary (though, I did provide some score updates during the broadcast).

My main focus was producing the games to their very best with five cameras and other bells and whistles. Wanted to make sure those who weren't at Mayser got the best broadcast possible to let them feel like they still were part of the experience.

As for my trip... uneventful. Family came along and they loved the games as well. I have been to F&M and Mayser many times, especially for NCAA tournament games, but even for regular season games. It is one of the classic gyms to see a game at and I know, having talked to several others new to the arena, they appreciated the atmosphere, the gym, and the hospitality.

As for my thoughts on the game... will get back to you later tonight. I am busy getting ready for Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) tonight and then can share my thoughts here! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 11, 2012, 06:52:35 PM
The most difficult thing for me was that the game WAS winnable.  MIT was great.  They have a real shot at winning it all, and I hope they do to take the sting out. 

But if F&M wasn't so putrid on the foul line and some of their shots fell, it would have been different.  I credit the MIT defense, but F&M DID get good shots off that didn't fall.  It was rough to watch such a good team have a bad night.

Unrelated...

Is there an NCAA rule against hanging from the rim in warmups or dunking in general?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2012, 06:53:56 PM
The NCAA rule is in the final 30 minutes of warm-up since that is when the refs are on the floor and if the refs see it...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 11, 2012, 06:58:20 PM
So I guess that means it's ok before the final 30 minutes.  MIT was swinging from the rim like monkeys.  Hell, they had a mini slam dunk contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 11, 2012, 07:08:38 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 11, 2012, 06:58:20 PM
So I guess that means it's ok before the final 30 minutes.  MIT was swinging from the rim like monkeys.  Hell, they had a mini slam dunk contest.

Typically the MIT guys come out about an hour before tip to shoot around, and as Dave said, until the refs come out, anything goes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 11, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
Ok, not for nothing, but I found the rule.  Nothing is said about the final 30 minutes before the game.

If you dunk during warmups, it's a technical foul. 

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Rule 10, Section 6, Article 1 (e).

The penalty is 2 free throws to anyone on the offended team.

F&M should have had like 10 free throws before the game. 

Not that it would have mattered, based on how badly they shoot foul shots, but someone other than me should have noticed this.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 11, 2012, 07:14:34 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 11, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
Ok, not for nothing, but I found the rule.  Nothing is said about the final 30 minutes before the game.

If you dunk during warmups, it's a technical foul. 

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Rule 10, Section 6, Article 1 (e).

The penalty is 2 free throws to anyone on the offended team.

F&M should have had like 10 free throws before the game. 

Not that it would have mattered, based on how badly they shoot foul shots, but someone other than me should have noticed this.

How do you define warmups?  If someone comes in during morning shootaround and dunks, is that considered before the game?  They don't even start the pregame warmup clock, in a lot of gyms, until 20-30 minutes before tip, so before that time would be before warmups. The refs come out 30 minutes before tip, that is when the warmup starts, thats why Dave mentioned the 30 minutes.  If there are no refs there, warmups have not started yet and there is no one there to call a foul, refs don't make calls based on hearsay. Before the refs come out, its just like an open gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 11, 2012, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 11, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
Ok, not for nothing, but I found the rule.  Nothing is said about the final 30 minutes before the game.

If you dunk during warmups, it's a technical foul. 

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Rule 10, Section 6, Article 1 (e).

The penalty is 2 free throws to anyone on the offended team.

F&M should have had like 10 free throws before the game. 

Not that it would have mattered, based on how badly they shoot foul shots, but someone other than me should have noticed this.

By the way, they do mention 30 minutes.  Just look at Rule 2 Section 4, Article 1-2:

"Art. 1. The officials shall have the power to make decisions for infractions of
rules committed either within or outside the boundary lines from 30 minutes
(men) and 15 minutes (women) before the scheduled starting time of the game
through the referee's approval of the final score.

Art. 2. For men, at least one official shall arrive on the floor 30 minutes before
the start of the game."

So nice try trying to complain about something after the fact, but MIT didn't break any rules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 11, 2012, 07:30:36 PM
  The 1st round game between Becker and Wm Paterson started with Becker shooting 2 technical foul shots for a pregame dunk.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2012, 10:26:40 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 11, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
Ok, not for nothing, but I found the rule.  Nothing is said about the final 30 minutes before the game.

If you dunk during warmups, it's a technical foul. 

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Rule 10, Section 6, Article 1 (e).

The penalty is 2 free throws to anyone on the offended team.

F&M should have had like 10 free throws before the game. 

Not that it would have mattered, based on how badly they shoot foul shots, but someone other than me should have noticed this.

Who is going to call the T? The officials have to be on the floor in order to call a T.

Every team knows this. They know the penalty for dunking in warmups with the refs on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
And by the way, if the refs are late getting to the floor... it still doesn't matter. They are the only ones that can enforce the rule.

And just for fun, I was told by a ref this year that just the attempt at... or the intention of dunking - made or not made; touching the rim or not touching - could be deemed a dunk.

But again... they have to see it to call it.

The NCAA years ago didn't allow players on the court until exactly 25 minutes before tip (warm-up ending five minutes short of tip to have time for national anthem and starting line-ups). They have changed that to 55 minutes, but refs are still not required to be there until 30 minutes and that is only fair.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 11, 2012, 11:15:55 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
And by the way, if the refs are late getting to the floor... it still doesn't matter. They are the only ones that can enforce the rule.

And just for fun, I was told by a ref this year that just the attempt at... or the intention of dunking - made or not made; touching the rim or not touching - could be deemed a dunk.

But again... they have to see it to call it.

The NCAA years ago didn't allow players on the court until exactly 25 minutes before tip (warm-up ending five minutes short of tip to have time for national anthem and starting line-ups). They have changed that to 55 minutes, but refs are still not required to be there until 30 minutes and that is only fair.

i'm shocked, shocked to find that the NCAA would have such specific rules against something as harmless as dunking!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on March 12, 2012, 01:04:45 AM
From what I heard, Georgio sprained his foot during the Amherst game the night before, making walking difficult prior to the MIT game.  That had to slow him on the court.  He was frequently double and triple teamed had to be exhausted.  Add to that Porter's injury. Porter usually looks like a cobra on defense.  He crouches low, and looks his opponent right in the eye, and follows his every move.  He wasn't crouching so low last night.

That said, I didn't see the fire in the team last night.  Often, I have seen them open the game a little on the slow side, after halftime, they come out of the locker room with a new attidtude.  Not last night.  The Dips played a fairly physical game against Amherst, maybe they were all tired.

Well, I am looking forward to next year.  Losing Georgio is huge, but then there was the year they lost Chris Finch, Will Lasky, Mark  "Magic" Maggioncalda, Dave "Wild Thing" Wilding, and Tom Nicholson.  Ed Plakens was the only returning experience, and Dave Jannetta took over as the starting point gaurd.  The record was 24 and 4.  Robinson knows how to reload. 

 

 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 12, 2012, 01:36:21 PM
If a team is in uniform, and are warming up on the court, that would be warmups. 

I agree the refs are the only ones who can enforce a rule, but the officials not being on the floor is their incompetence.  Their lack of being on the floor doesn't change a rules violation.  There's a reason no teams do this.

MIT's players got away with several there.  Not that it would have mattered, but I hope at some point they do that again, and a ref has some guts.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2012, 02:33:54 PM
crambam - read the rule book... unless they change the rules... your argument is moot.

Refs are told when to arrive on the court... saying they are incompetent for not being their sooner is not a fair or smart argument. They are doing their jobs according to the rule book.

F&M players could have been dunking, too, if they wanted. Nothing was stopping them. And in the long run, what exactly did what happened during the warm up time from 55-30 minutes before the game actually impact - nothing.

The refs don't have to have some "guts" and they are not going reward the T's based on speculation and information they did not see ahead of time. Did you see any of the F&M coaching staff complaining? No... they know the rules, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 12, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
I did read the rule book, and nothing is said for this rule about the time.

Whether you think an argument is fair or smart doesn't change that MIT was swinging from F&M's rim like monkeys during their warmup.  That's nice excuse you have there, but this happened. 

F&M players COULD have been dunking too?  That's the two wrongs make a right defense. 

There is no speculation.  It's fact.  It was right in front of me.  Literally, about 7-10 feet away.  Just because a ref wasn't ready to do his job doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'm not saying it impacted the game, obviously.  But it happened.

If F&M didn't complain, that doesn't mean it didn't happen either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 12, 2012, 04:14:55 PM
I forgot someone last time....

Congrats to Georgio for NABC POY and D3hoops Co-POY with a very deserving Cory Lemons from Cabrini as well.
Also shout out to our new player Hank Gyokchyan who earned 3rd team. (I'm guess they mean Hayk).

Also congrats to Kevin Breslin from Washington for 3rd team and Malique Killig, Muhl for regional rookie of the year, and Spencer Liddic 1st team, Muhl as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2012, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 12, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
I did read the rule book, and nothing is said for this rule about the time.

CRAM: It does not matter. Who is going to enforce rules if the officials are not present?

I get the impression this is new to you but trust me, it is not new to players or coaches. I can remember 20 years ago people knowing they had to stop dunking when officials hit the floor before the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2012, 04:17:34 PM
So what part of the following are you not understanding:

"Art. 1. The officials shall have the power to make decisions for infractions of
rules committed either within or outside the boundary lines from 30 minutes
(men) and 15 minutes (women) before the scheduled starting time of the game
through the referee's approval of the final score.

Art. 2. For men, at least one official shall arrive on the floor 30 minutes before
the start of the game."

That is when refs are told to be there... that is when they are allowed to start handing out infractions... and thus the warm-up time BEFORE that doesn't matter!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 12, 2012, 05:19:56 PM
Cram, read my post from yesterday. The 30 minute rule is in the NCAA rule book (Dave also quotes it above).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 12, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
Too soon, or can we start talking about next year? Would love to hear about recruits, expectations, and who will be the best teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 12, 2012, 08:20:28 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on March 12, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
Too soon, or can we start talking about next year? Would love to hear about recruits, expectations, and who will be the best teams.

Why not? All the CC teams are done now. Seems as good a time as any to talk about 2012-13 CC hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 12, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
congrats to f&m on a terrific season. MIT was better the other night. kates ran his team better than milligan did, which doesn't happen often. kates went by giorgio at will all game and either finished or dished. going down to a better team is nothing to be ashamed of. congrats to F&M for a great run!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 12, 2012, 08:31:56 PM
   Don't know if he's a recruit, but a player from the watch list of good DC metro players has verballed for F&M -
       Gordon Rogo McLean(Va) High School  6'2"G 13.5 ppg       
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 12, 2012, 08:47:19 PM
Congrats to Giorgio on being D3 Hoops co-regional POY with Lemons. Also thanks to GM on 4 great years of thrills and entertainment seldom seem at the D3 level, what a gutty final performance with an injured wheel.

A final point that bothers me when people keep saying Kates (by the way Kates was surperb beyond any words I can offer) abused Milligan (blew by him etc.) is that Milligan played the best game I've can recall by someonewith a badly injured foot. Plus the also maimed Porter should have been guarding Kates frequently, but he couldn't play at even 50% of his normal skill level after his sprain. It is quite possible that even with the Dip starting guards healthy the big yet white hot shooting MIT team would have prevailed anyhow, but I think it would have been a fierce, closer game. In the end the F&M achilles heel of poor foul shooting plus the great talent size & poise of the MIT starting 5 may have been too much to hope to overcome.

Milligan is a great athlete & clutch warrior the likes of which may not be seen at F&M for a long time to come. When the year started a would have taken a 20 win team in a heartbeat, but as they improved and the trio of Hayk, Early & Salandra improved  my expectations grew (I couldn't have dreamed of a 28 win season at the start).

Thanks again Georgio, thanks for the memories
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 12, 2012, 08:58:09 PM
Ronk. Thanks for info.

Rogo sounds like a blue chip recruit. If he comes to F&M it might help ease the pain of Georgio's graduation a little. But in D3 you never know till they show up in uniform.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 12, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
db cooper...giorgio has gotten his well deserved due...every major award and tons of respect. you and i can't assess his injury or anyone else's. alot of guys are banged up at this point of the season. give kates credit. he ran that game. that is all i am saying. please,no excuses. all good players play hurt.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oftdip on March 13, 2012, 09:26:07 AM
Rogo is the real deal according to a buddy who knows NOVA HS hoops well... He said it would presumptive to declare him as the next Georgio but he is right from the same mold...
As much as it pains me, Kates was the reason MIT advanced, even beyond GM's injury, FT and missed 'bunnies' ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 13, 2012, 09:52:04 AM
I wanted to add that in no way should my praise of Kates be meant as a slight to Milligan.  In fact, when played tight milligan and porter both handled Kates fairly well.  But whenever there was ball rotation or Kates even had a slight opening, his quickness came into play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2012, 01:59:38 PM
  Brandon Angradi(Delaware Valley(Pa.) HS - C says he's down to Ursinus, Dickinson, and Muhlenberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2012, 02:32:41 PM
Quote from: oftdip on March 13, 2012, 09:26:07 AM
Rogo is the real deal according to a buddy who knows NOVA HS hoops well... He said it would presumptive to declare him as the next Georgio but he is right from the same mold...As much as it pains me, Kates was the reason MIT advanced, even beyond GM's injury, FT and missed 'bunnies' ...

  If so, then I missed him; I follow NOVA, DC, and suburban MD and didn't have him on my list of prospects. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 13, 2012, 03:13:59 PM
The only problem is the part of the rulebook you site is a completely different part of the rulebook than the infraction.  Plus, MIT WAS dunking within 30 minutes too.

The argument that "if the refs didn't call it, it wasn't an infraction" is ridiculous.

That's like saying LVC's 1994 title is actually relevant because some dumb ref doesn't realize that when the buzzer goes off, the game is over.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 13, 2012, 03:21:44 PM
Last time I am addressing this... how is a ref supposed to call an infraction if they are NOT on the floor?! They can't call something they don't actually see! You can't have people other then refs coming up and saying, "hey, they were dunking about two minutes ago." That isn't fair, impartial, etc. And if they were dunking with less than 30 minutes remaining, I suspect the refs hadn't made it to the floor at that point. I know about when they arrived... I was on the floor at the time and even chatted with one of them.

Learn the rules... learn how warm-ups are conducted... go to other games where this happens ALL the time. Unless refs are on the floor - and they are not allowed to be there earlier than 30 minutes prior to a game - an infraction can not be called... period.

And just because it is in a different part of the rule book doesn't mean it all doesn't apply! You don't read one section and ignore others... they all go together.

You are sounding more and more like sour grapes over something that is completely innocuous in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 13, 2012, 03:24:15 PM
Turning thoughts to F&M's future, who is going to replace Milligan?  When Lasky left, Jannetta was ready to go.  This F&M team was brilliant.  One of the best I've seen since the Lasky era, but it had a couple of big weaknesses that they didn't have 20 years ago.

Their foul shooting was putrid and they really don't have a good 3 point threat.  Tommy Nicholson was a three point specialist, but he wasn't alone. 

I remember reading about a recruit that was really good at shooting the 3.  Terrell Phelps.  Did he play much this year?  Will he next year? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: crambam on March 13, 2012, 03:27:19 PM
I don't care if you address it again or not.  That doesn't change anything.

I did read the rules.  It's pretty clear that you can't dunk in warmups.  MIT did that.  I know this because I was watching them. 

Making excuses for ref failures to call something doesn't change that it didn't happen.  They belong on the floor.  MIT was swinging from the rim in early warmups, but even within 30 minutes, they were practicing dunking.  They were all doing it. 

I'm not sour at all over it.  You seem to have a defend the refs at all costs attitude, which clearly shouldn't happen here.  That's your issue.  And I wouldn't be continuing to harp on it, if you weren't defending the indefensible.  That's your issue.  Makes no difference to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2012, 03:33:55 PM
If it happens before the refs take the floor, it's fine. All teams know that. If the refs had been there, MIT would not have been dunking. You're making a mountain out of an anthill. This is only a controversy to you, and you are wasting all of our time by continuing to reiterate the same point over and over.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 13, 2012, 03:45:07 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 13, 2012, 03:27:19 PM
And I wouldn't be continuing to harp on it, if you weren't defending the indefensible.  That's your issue.  Makes no difference to me.

If it "makes no difference" to you, will you now, at long last, kindly shut up about it?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 13, 2012, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: crambam on March 13, 2012, 03:24:15 PM
Turning thoughts to F&M's future, who is going to replace Milligan?  When Lasky left, Jannetta was ready to go.  This F&M team was brilliant.  One of the best I've seen since the Lasky era, but it had a couple of big weaknesses that they didn't have 20 years ago.

Their foul shooting was putrid and they really don't have a good 3 point threat.  Tommy Nicholson was a three point specialist, but he wasn't alone. 

I remember reading about a recruit that was really good at shooting the 3.  Terrell Phelps.  Did he play much this year?  Will he next year?

i think F&m has settled into what theyre going to be, a strong defensive team that will make-up on the fly where they will get their points.  They seem committed to pounding the ball down low (which they will do with Hayk and Solandra), and avoiding the 3 at all costs since missed 3's lead to long rebounds which lead to transition baskets for the opposition.  F&M knows no one in the conference can beat them in a half court game.  It looked like the ft woes were behind them, then they reared their ugly head again in the NCAAs. 

And as for recruits, as shown with Austin this year Robinson is not willing to trade defense for offense. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 13, 2012, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on March 12, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
Too soon, or can we start talking about next year? Would love to hear about recruits, expectations, and who will be the best teams.

Swat Dad,

My guess is that the conference will be a toss up next year.  F&M, Dickinson and Muhlenberg should be slight favorites---returning most of their players---but Milligan and Liddic will be tough to replace.  Expect Ursinus, JHU, Gettysburg-----and maybe---just maybe, Swat to make some noise next year.  Think it will be a down year for Washington and McDaniel.

I follow Ursinus closely.  They lost three seniors, none of whom played that much. Their bigs (Ward, Kamara, Janowski and Marciano) are big and they should be formidable next year if their guard play improves.   Coach Small has been very busy on the recruiting trail trying to bring in some wing scorers to take pressure off of Jon Ward.  Looks like they will bring in four or five recruits, mostly shooting guards.  The returnees Krasna, Harry & Vasturia should be better with a year of experience.  I think Ursinus will be in the top four next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: upstatenyfan on March 13, 2012, 09:50:41 PM
Swat dad,

Any update on the coaching search?  They got any canidates?  Is Coach Culley going to be named coach?  Would you rather have a young coach or an experienced coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 14, 2012, 06:10:08 AM
Thanks Gabriel. If they can find some help for Ward, your team will be really good. Upstatenyfan (where are you from by the way), I have not heard a thing. I really have no idea what is going on. As for my preference, I am not sure. Culley did a very good job. He put in a new offense near the end of the season and they were much more competitive. I do know they got a ton of applicants for the job. When, I hear something, I will let you know. Swarthmore will have most of their starters back next year with two four year starters. Losing a coach midseason really stunned the team. They were better than their record showed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: upstatenyfan on March 14, 2012, 12:56:09 PM
I'm from the Syracuse area. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: upstatenyfan on March 14, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
That's too bad...I would assume as a parent of a current player, you'd probably want them to move forward asap so that he could get out and start recruiting.  At least that would be my thought. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 14, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
I understand what you are saying, but Swarthmore is a different beast. There is no recruiting at this point. They let in about 7% of applicants and that was months ago (January 1st deadline). There is no more recruiting this year at this point. I think they have two recruits but don't think they are potential starters.

As far as moving forward, and as a parent, the only thing that matters is academics. The only thing. If there are ten things that matter, academics are numbers 1-99. Seriously. A problem set in math takes approximately 30 hours to solve. And, two a week are assigned. So, while I would love the program to move forward, I have no problem with this taking time. Whoever is hired needs to know that classes come first and then basketball. I am not making excuses, that is just how it is.

And, I grew up in Skaneateles so I know the area.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 15, 2012, 12:21:16 AM
Let's look at some basketball academic honor roll numbers and standings in a student/athlete conference for 2011-12:
Haverford-6
Hopkins-5
Swarthmore-4
Ursinus-2
Dickinson,Washington,Muhlenberg,Gettysburg-1
F&M, McDaniel-0

-Top 3 teams had five times as many as the other 7 teams combined.
-Haverford alone had twice as many as the bottom 7 teams combined.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: magicman on March 15, 2012, 01:48:44 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 15, 2012, 12:21:16 AM
Let's look at some basketball academic honor roll numbers and standings in a student/athlete conference for 2011-12:
Haverford-6
Hopkins-5
Swarthmore-4
Ursinus-2
Dickinson,Washington,Muhlenberg,Gettysburg-1
F&M, McDaniel-0

-Top 3 teams had five times as many as the other 7 teams combined.
-Haverford alone had twice as many as the bottom 7 teams combined.

I think you need to re-calculate those figures. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 15, 2012, 09:07:16 AM
thanks, magicman, i stand corrected... i went too fast!! (so much for my math).
here are the corrections:
Haverford-6
Hopkins-5
Swarthmore-4
Ursinus-2
Dickinson,Washington,Muhlenberg,Gettysburg-1
F&M, McDaniel-0
-top 3 times combined are 2.5 times as many as bottom 7 teams combined.
-haverford alone has as many as the bottom 7 teams combined.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 15, 2012, 10:40:09 AM
where did you get those numbers from? 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 15, 2012, 10:23:33 PM
Milligan makes First Team All-American
http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/201203157hzh8f
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 16, 2012, 09:20:05 PM
one tin soldier
here is the link from cc news:
http://static.psbin.com/a/j/f0vm9g7gowgp30/Winter_AHR_2012.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 16, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 15, 2012, 12:21:16 AM
Let's look at some basketball academic honor roll numbers and standings in a student/athlete conference for 2011-12:
Haverford-6
Hopkins-5
Swarthmore-4
Ursinus-2
Dickinson,Washington,Muhlenberg,Gettysburg-1
F&M, McDaniel-0

-Top 3 teams had five times as many as the other 7 teams combined.
-Haverford alone had twice as many as the bottom 7 teams combined.
[/quote

Your point?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 17, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
reserved seat,
academic achievements seem important. agreed?
make of it what you will.
also, you missed the corrected post below:

here are the corrections:
Haverford-6
Hopkins-5
Swarthmore-4
Ursinus-2
Dickinson,Washington,Muhlenberg,Gettysburg-1
F&M, McDaniel-0
-top 3 times combined are 2.5 times as many as bottom 7 teams combined.
-haverford alone has as many as the bottom 7 teams combined.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 17, 2012, 02:23:48 PM
Academic achievement means quite a bit, of course. What the criteria for such awards do not account for is the differences in schools academically, and the differences in grading and workload. Some schools are known to inflate grades, others to deflate grades. Some schools have more rigorous workloads, while others have more lenient expectations.

It does bring into some question the methodology of such a list. There is no perfect way to evaluate both athletic and academic achievement, and this way is certainly not perfect.

That said, kudos to those student-athletes who did make the list.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 17, 2012, 03:02:48 PM
dips,
safe to say that the three top schools this year on the list are not grade inflators, light in workload or lenient in expectations(hopkins, haverford and swarthmore). there probably would be general agreement as to which schools are the most rigorous academically just as there is general agreement as to which basketball teams are better.
in terms of methodology for the list being brought into some question, we could say that about all lists that distinguish some and not others.
i would have to object to your post which attempts to qualify the accomplishments of these students by questioning the criteria for the list and then pat them on the back.
a GPA is a stat that generally indicates both intellect and hard work, granted it is imperfect similar to an assist or scoring statistic.
i say, quite simply,congrats to all who have both played college basketball and earned their place on this list.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2012, 07:37:01 PM
Not questioning the accomplishments, but questioning your comparisons.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2012, 07:40:16 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/college-rankings/2011/most-rigorous.all.html

three Centennial Conference teams

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/college-rankings/2011/least-rigorous.all.html

one Centennial Conference team

Quote from: Dips75 on March 17, 2012, 02:23:48 PM
Academic achievement means quite a bit, of course. What the criteria for such awards do not account for is the differences in schools academically, and the differences in grading and workload. Some schools are known to inflate grades, others to deflate grades. Some schools have more rigorous workloads, while others have more lenient expectations.

It does bring into some question the methodology of such a list. There is no perfect way to evaluate both athletic and academic achievement, and this way is certainly not perfect.

That said, kudos to those student-athletes who did make the list.

Not that I agree with the Newsweek's rankings, but there is big difference in the philosophy of grading from school to school.  My brother went to an Ivy League school, and their basis for grading was much different from what I experienced.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 17, 2012, 08:04:05 PM
reserved seat. some basketball teams in the CC can do better on the court. some basketball teams can do better off the court. reasonable? let's keep it simple.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 17, 2012, 08:12:04 PM
cabrini up by 14 in second half in championship
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 17, 2012, 08:59:51 PM
tough game...uww beat cabrini by 3...wanted to se our area team win
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 17, 2012, 08:04:05 PM
reserved seat. some basketball teams in the CC can do better on the court. some basketball teams can do better off the court. reasonable? let's keep it simple.

Pretty simplistic comment.
No sense disagreeing over something we won't agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on March 17, 2012, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 17, 2012, 08:04:05 PM
reserved seat. some basketball teams in the CC can do better on the court. some basketball teams can do better off the court. reasonable? let's keep it simple.

I think it's a more than fair assumption to think that in the Centennial Conference, none of the teams are littered with guys on the verge of failing out or barely getting by.  If you're a Dean's List student, congratulations - you absolutely should be proud, but the solid B .. or even high C ... student is likely still getting a darn good education at any of our schools and will end up with a degree and a relatively good shot in an admittedly difficult job market. Isn't that what it's all about?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 18, 2012, 10:49:30 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 17, 2012, 03:02:48 PM
dips,
safe to say that the three top schools this year on the list are not grade inflators, light in workload or lenient in expectations(hopkins, haverford and swarthmore). there probably would be general agreement as to which schools are the most rigorous academically just as there is general agreement as to which basketball teams are better.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/college-rankings/2011/most-rigorous.all.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/college-rankings/2011/least-rigorous.all.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 18, 2012, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2012, 07:40:16 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/college-rankings/2011/most-rigorous.all.html

three Centennial Conference teams

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/college-rankings/2011/least-rigorous.all.html

one Centennial Conference team

Quote from: Dips75 on March 17, 2012, 02:23:48 PM
Academic achievement means quite a bit, of course. What the criteria for such awards do not account for is the differences in schools academically, and the differences in grading and workload. Some schools are known to inflate grades, others to deflate grades. Some schools have more rigorous workloads, while others have more lenient expectations.

It does bring into some question the methodology of such a list. There is no perfect way to evaluate both athletic and academic achievement, and this way is certainly not perfect.

That said, kudos to those student-athletes who did make the list.

Not that I agree with the Newsweek's rankings, but there is big difference in the philosophy of grading from school to school.  My brother went to an Ivy League school, and their basis for grading was much different from what I experienced.

I see you cited the same Daily Beast rankings I did. That is an independent study done strictly on rigor. F&M is fourth in that national list, behind three non-CC schools. Swarthmore is 15th, Bryn Mawr is 24th, and that is it for the top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 18, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
Quote from: sunny on March 17, 2012, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 17, 2012, 08:04:05 PM
reserved seat. some basketball teams in the CC can do better on the court. some basketball teams can do better off the court. reasonable? let's keep it simple.

I think it's a more than fair assumption to think that in the Centennial Conference, none of the teams are littered with guys on the verge of failing out or barely getting by.  If you're a Dean's List student, congratulations - you absolutely should be proud, but the solid B .. or even high C ... student is likely still getting a darn good education at any of our schools and will end up with a degree and a relatively good shot in an admittedly difficult job market. Isn't that what it's all about?

That sums it up quite well. I don't see success on the court and off the court as mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 18, 2012, 07:40:21 PM
dips and reserved seat... is it a coincidence that your list from "the daily beast" has F&M high up on it? a classier response would be not to make it about F&M and personalize it and to say congrats to the schools that had several honor roll recipients and acknowledge that some schools can do better. and by the way, i certainly do respect a kid who works hard to get a C+, but let's not confuse it with an A-...just not the same thing. congrats to swat, hopkins and haverford for their academic achievement.
dips,some more stats for you:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/page+5
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on March 18, 2012, 08:57:13 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 18, 2012, 07:40:21 PM
dips and reserved seat... is it a coincidence that your list from "the daily beast" has F&M high up on it? a classier response would be not to make it about F&M and personalize it and to say congrats to the schools that had several honor roll recipients and acknowledge that some schools can do better. and by the way, i certainly do respect a kid who works hard to get a C+, but let's not confuse it with an A-...just not the same thing. congrats to swat, hopkins and haverford for their academic achievement.
dips,some more stats for you:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/page+5

It's clear you're trying to make some sort of statement about the quality of students in some programs versus those of others based simply on one year's CC Academic Honor Roll recipients.  Besides the other reasons stated above, this is flawed for a number of other reasons:
1) To make Centennial Conference Academic Honor Roll, in addition to the minimum GPA, you need to be a starter or significant reserve.  To be a significant reserve, you have to play in at least 50% of your team's games. Thus, there can be guys further down the bench pulling great grades, but not making that list.
2) To make Centennial Conference Academic Honor Roll, you also need to be at least a sophomore. Combining this with #1, means, that if you have a short rotation and a couple of freshmen in said rotation, you will have very few eligible players before you even get to GPA.
3) This completely ignores "depth" of the team's GPAs. What's a more "impressive" team academically, one with four academic honor roll nominees and a couple guys with low C's or one with one, but the rest of the team filled out with B students? (Hypothetical, and obviously, we don't have access to all those numbers, which is kind of my point).
4) The sample size is simply way to small because of #1 and #2. If two teams each have eight non-freshmen in their rotation and one has three CC Academic Honor Roll qualifiers and the other has one, that is a huge gap percentage-wise resulting from a small number numerically. (Team 2 may very well have two guys who "just missed" the GPA minimum, by the way.) Maybe you can try to make some sort of case if you look over the numbers historically or maybe you can draw more conclusions in a sport with very large rosters like football, but with basketball, the numbers are just way too low to make any conclusions about what teams "get it done" in the classroom.
All in all, with the lack of information about how the rest of the team is performing academically (we only know about the guys with 3.4+ GPAs who are sophomores or older AND are in the rotation) and with the very small sample sizes we are dealing with, let's keep the Centennial Conference Academic Honor Roll as what it is intended to be - an individual accomplishment that teams can be proud of, but not some sort of conclusive evidence as to which teams are strongest academically.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 18, 2012, 10:13:30 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 12, 2012, 08:47:19 PM
Congrats to Giorgio on being D3 Hoops co-regional POY with Lemons. Also thanks to GM on 4 great years of thrills and entertainment seldom seem at the D3 level, what a gutty final performance with an injured wheel.

A final point that bothers me when people keep saying Kates (by the way Kates was surperb beyond any words I can offer) abused Milligan (blew by him etc.) is that Milligan played the best game I've can recall by someonewith a badly injured foot. Plus the also maimed Porter should have been guarding Kates frequently, but he couldn't play at even 50% of his normal skill level after his sprain. It is quite possible that even with the Dip starting guards healthy the big yet white hot shooting MIT team would have prevailed anyhow, but I think it would have been a fierce, closer game. In the end the F&M achilles heel of poor foul shooting plus the great talent size & poise of the MIT starting 5 may have been too much to hope to overcome.

Milligan is a great athlete & clutch warrior the likes of which may not be seen at F&M for a long time to come. When the year started a would have taken a 20 win team in a heartbeat, but as they improved and the trio of Hayk, Early & Salandra improved  my expectations grew (I couldn't have dreamed of a 28 win season at the start).

Thanks again Georgio, thanks for the memories

D.B., I'm a bit late here but I want to echo your post. It was a great four years for Georgio, and it's hard to see it end. He played well against MIT despite the foot injury.

GM is the most clutch player I've ever seen at F&M, from his performance as a freshman in the 2009 Elite Eight to the all-around game he played in the win over Amherst last week. And, my personal favorite, the closing minutes in the Sweet 16 at St. Mary's two years ago. He always seemed to kick it into another gear in the final 5 minutes of a close game on both ends of the floor. He was a starter for 11 wins in the NCAA tournament - I believe that is an F&M and CC record. For my money, taking into account offense, defense, and postseason success, he is the best player since the Centennial's inception in '93-94.

Next year's Dips will be competitive, but I think we'll see the CC playoffs hosted elsewhere. People are asking "who's going to replace Milligan?" and the answer is, you don't.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dips75 on March 18, 2012, 10:17:34 PM
Quote from: sunny on March 18, 2012, 08:57:13 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 18, 2012, 07:40:21 PM
dips and reserved seat... is it a coincidence that your list from "the daily beast" has F&M high up on it? a classier response would be not to make it about F&M and personalize it and to say congrats to the schools that had several honor roll recipients and acknowledge that some schools can do better. and by the way, i certainly do respect a kid who works hard to get a C+, but let's not confuse it with an A-...just not the same thing. congrats to swat, hopkins and haverford for their academic achievement.
dips,some more stats for you:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/page+5

It's clear you're trying to make some sort of statement about the quality of students in some programs versus those of others based simply on one year's CC Academic Honor Roll recipients.  Besides the other reasons stated above, this is flawed for a number of other reasons:
1) To make Centennial Conference Academic Honor Roll, in addition to the minimum GPA, you need to be a starter or significant reserve.  To be a significant reserve, you have to play in at least 50% of your team's games. Thus, there can be guys further down the bench pulling great grades, but not making that list.
2) To make Centennial Conference Academic Honor Roll, you also need to be at least a sophomore. Combining this with #1, means, that if you have a short rotation and a couple of freshmen in said rotation, you will have very few eligible players before you even get to GPA.
3) This completely ignores "depth" of the team's GPAs. What's a more "impressive" team academically, one with four academic honor roll nominees and a couple guys with low C's or one with one, but the rest of the team filled out with B students? (Hypothetical, and obviously, we don't have access to all those numbers, which is kind of my point).
4) The sample size is simply way to small because of #1 and #2. If two teams each have eight non-freshmen in their rotation and one has three CC Academic Honor Roll qualifiers and the other has one, that is a huge gap percentage-wise resulting from a small number numerically. (Team 2 may very well have two guys who "just missed" the GPA minimum, by the way.) Maybe you can try to make some sort of case if you look over the numbers historically or maybe you can draw more conclusions in a sport with very large rosters like football, but with basketball, the numbers are just way too low to make any conclusions about what teams "get it done" in the classroom.
All in all, with the lack of information about how the rest of the team is performing academically (we only know about the guys with 3.4+ GPAs who are sophomores or older AND are in the rotation) and with the very small sample sizes we are dealing with, let's keep the Centennial Conference Academic Honor Roll as what it is intended to be - an individual accomplishment that teams can be proud of, but not some sort of conclusive evidence as to which teams are strongest academically.


Well said, though I imagine it will fall on deaf ears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 18, 2012, 11:23:40 PM
dips, seat and sunny...i was not making any conclusions, though some schools are better than others and some schools have better students than others, whether you want to accept that or not. that is common sense and honor roll awards do not necessarily indicate that, although this year they actually do.what are you guys arguing? all teams are judged by the same standards and some did better than others. what is so hard to understand? schools can't be leaders in everything, despite your passion. on another note, should we disqualify giorgio's achievements because he is really a low mid or mid major Division 1 athlete who dominated D3?that would be analogous logic to what you are using. i think not. we had the pleasure of him being in our conference. you are searching for reasons rather than acceptance. accept, my brothers...it will set you free.
and dips, i resent the deaf ears comment. i simply disagree.
enjoy march madness!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 18, 2012, 11:44:43 PM
i'm not really sure i understand the conversation.  Students who do well in the classroom should be commended.  Students who maintain a rigorous academic schedule (as you get at every CC school), and do their best work on the basketball court should also be commended.  Centfan's assertion is the equvalent of a fan yelling Safetly school when his team is down 10 at the end of a game.  Why dont you follow that up with a meaningless endowment statistic, or tell us the student/faculty ratio!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 18, 2012, 11:47:19 PM
be nice soldier...sounds defensive. as i said much earlier, there are better teams and better schools. the world says that, not me. would you lump all teams together? be reasonable, if you would.
"to say that scranton is not swarthmore is like saying that a salad is not a hot fudge sundae.  The academic mission of scranton is completely different than that of Swarthmore." by the way, this is your quote. self serving for you to act like all the schools are the same in the CC. acceptance.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 19, 2012, 08:15:53 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 18, 2012, 11:47:19 PM
be nice soldier...sounds defensive. as i said much earlier, there are better teams and better schools. the world says that, not me. would you lump all teams together? be reasonable, if you would.
"to say that scranton is not swarthmore is like saying that a salad is not a hot fudge sundae.  The academic mission of scranton is completely different than that of Swarthmore." by the way, this is your quote. self serving for you to act like all the schools are the same in the CC. acceptance.

Just to be fair, i made that point on the Landmark board when a poster tried to compare Swat, a liberal arts college to Scranton, a regional university.  10/11 CC schools are what you would consider National Liberal Arts colleges, while the 11th is a national top tier university.  Are Swat, Haverford and BrynMawr a cut above F&M,  UC, GB Dickinson and muhl, which is a cut above Wash and MCD?  Probably, but all schools are rigorous and have an academic first mindset.  My guess is if you compare the academic missions of all 10 schools, they would likely be similar. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 19, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
My grandfather always said, "Don't get in a pissing contest with a skunk."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on March 19, 2012, 09:27:30 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 18, 2012, 11:23:40 PM
dips, seat and sunny...i was not making any conclusions, though some schools are better than others and some schools have better students than others, whether you want to accept that or not. that is common sense and honor roll awards do not necessarily indicate that, although this year they actually do.what are you guys arguing? all teams are judged by the same standards and some did better than others. what is so hard to understand? schools can't be leaders in everything, despite your passion. on another note, should we disqualify giorgio's achievements because he is really a low mid or mid major Division 1 athlete who dominated D3?that would be analogous logic to what you are using. i think not. we had the pleasure of him being in our conference. you are searching for reasons rather than acceptance. accept, my brothers...it will set you free.
and dips, i resent the deaf ears comment. i simply disagree.
enjoy march madness!!!

Whether the results of your methodology back up your presupposed thesis (which schools are "best") is a moot point because your methodology is flawed. How do I know?  Because all you need to do is look at the Academic Honor Roll for other sports and other schools come out "on top:"

Women's Basketball for example:
Bryn Mawr: 4
Muhlenberg: 4
Washington College: 3
Swarthmore: 3
Haverford: 2
Johns Hopkins: 2
F&M: 2
Gettysburg: 2
Dickinson: 1
Ursinus: 1
McDaniel: 1

I'm not arguing that all schools are equal - I'm arguing that using the Academic Honor Roll for one sport in one year to back up your feelings on which schools are "best" or even have the "best" students who play sports is futile.  It's like if I used one year of men's basketball standings to prove which school has the best athletic programs; even if F&M, Gettysburg, and Hopkins (the three departments most often mentioned as having a claim to that title) finished one-two-three that year in men's hoops, it hasn't proven anything.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 19, 2012, 09:43:18 AM
fair enough, soldier. i agree with your last post. and thanks for not being disrespectful.
seat...is your comment directed at me? it is rather rude and personal. i would remove karma points from you for that one. better to be a gentleman and simply disagree.
sunny...i agree with you and i am not trying to prove anything by these temporal honor roll stats. ( i was talking about mens basketball because this is the board for that, is it not?) it seems to be a touchy issue here with respect to which schools are academically superior.if you asked a 100 people who knew the liberal arts genre (high school "college advisors" for eg.) i am sure they would have similar opinions. i am not sure why a  bunch of people on this board attempt to refute that. now,how important is it to go to a "better" school?...i imagine that varies from person to person. people have gone on to do amazing things without school, let alone having gone to a "good" school. but again, that does not deny that certain institutions are academically superior to others.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: emma17 on March 19, 2012, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 19, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
My grandfather always said, "Don't get in a pissing contest with a skunk."

I like your grandfather already.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 19, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
Quote from: emma17 on March 19, 2012, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 19, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
My grandfather always said, "Don't get in a pissing contest with a skunk."

I like your grandfather already.  :D

me too emma...love him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 19, 2012, 04:09:27 PM
a very deserving winner

http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2011-12/releases/201203191706bx
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 02, 2012, 11:02:13 AM
(I know I am late to the party) Only on the Centennial Conference board do you see such debate on academics, profound use of vocabulary, and with valid points from many- not to mention urinating with a skunk! lol, Can't wait for next year. And to those who have not traveled to a D3 Final Four, whether your team is in it or not, make the trip. It is a blast.

Next debate- which Cent school has the smartest coach? lol
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 08, 2012, 02:42:35 PM
Well I know it is not Swarthmore due to the fact that we still do not have a coach. I have no idea what is going on but classes end in a couple weeks and I would think a coach would be in place to at least put together a summer program. Once study week starts, hoop completely shuts down. I am clueless about how the process works, but this seems pretty late to me. Anyone know how the hiring process usually works?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 08, 2012, 07:17:40 PM
I read in amusement the back and forth banter that takes place on the CC board. I often wonder if this is a forum to discuss sports or a "mine is bigger/better than yours" forum.

In my businesses, I have hired AND fired many ivy and patriot league and cc men and women. Being cocky, spoiled, pompous and sometimes entitled does not always equate to being a great employee and does always equate to being less of a human being.

My amazing lawyer went to Bloomsburg for undergrad and Widener for his law degree and runs circles around many, many ivy league educated lawyers. My business partner went to Penn State and has no graduate degree and my knee was replaced by an incredible doctor who went to a school in the MAC. Imagine that, I actually agreed to have an operation performed by a doctor who did his undergrad at a MAC school..............and I've never felt better in my life:)

The name on the paper might get you in the door................it's all up to the individual after that!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: upstatenyfan on April 09, 2012, 10:28:47 AM
Whats everyone's early predictions for next year? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: upstatenyfan on April 09, 2012, 10:29:53 AM
swat dad,

Have they started the interview process?  Seems like a long time to wait.   I see a lot of hires all over the news in the last couple weeks.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on April 09, 2012, 01:09:48 PM
Upstateny - Not that I know of. I know they could be doing it, but I haven't heard anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on April 13, 2012, 01:28:57 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on April 08, 2012, 07:17:40 PM
I read in amusement the back and forth banter that takes place on the CC board. I often wonder if this is a forum to discuss sports or a "mine is bigger/better than yours" forum.

In my businesses, I have hired AND fired many ivy and patriot league and cc men and women. Being cocky, spoiled, pompous and sometimes entitled does not always equate to being a great employee and does always equate to being less of a human being.

My amazing lawyer went to Bloomsburg for undergrad and Widener for his law degree and runs circles around many, many ivy league educated lawyers. My business partner went to Penn State and has no graduate degree and my knee was replaced by an incredible doctor who went to a school in the MAC. Imagine that, I actually agreed to have an operation performed by a doctor who did his undergrad at a MAC school..............and I've never felt better in my life:)

The name on the paper might get you in the door................it's all up to the individual after that!!

i dont understand your point, Penn State has a fine business school and a fine reputation.  The MAC has some fine schools. 

As for your lawyer, my guess is he is a bit older and made his mark before the legal profession has become oversaturated the past decade.  One trip to jdunderground will show you the trouble facing recent law school grads. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: kate on April 14, 2012, 07:52:15 PM
Hey, onetinsoldier, what'd ya mean "some fine schools"  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 23, 2012, 05:31:21 PM
http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20120423hob1dy

Dennis Stanton is now the senior assistant at Ursinus.  This is a great move.  Dennis is an extremely bright and charismatic young man.  He was head coach at Souderton High School for the past two years and did a great job.  We all know how good he was as a player and he will do as well as a coach. Great move Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on April 30, 2012, 12:35:17 AM
dennis stanton is a terrific young man. he will be great with the young guys on the team. after mccgarvey leaving, stanton will step in now and inspire a team that has been floundering. congrats to ursinus basketball, coach small, and dennis.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 30, 2012, 12:44:51 PM
Centfan,

You're right, my Bears have scuffled lately.  In 2008 they went to the final four.  In 2009, the injury to Matt Hilton cost them a good year.  In my opinion, they have suffered from poor recruiting classes---certainly the classes of 2011 and 2012 did not contribute much in the way of talent.  This year's freshman class (even with the loss of Phil Walker) together with next year's should make them a much better team.  I think they will be a top four team in the CC next year and could win it all if someone steps up and takes the pressure off of Jon Ward.  The quality of their guard play will determine their success or failure.

Dennis Stanton will help with the recruiting tremendously.  Recruiting to Ursinus is tough anyway and Kevin Small has had to do it all himself since Joe Rulewich and Mike McGarvey moved on. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on May 14, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
Gabriel,
Just an FYI if you haven't seen or heard about this. As is with most college sports talk blogs and sites the individual emphasis is usually on stats, points scored, rebounds and assists accumulated and not much more. It's truly refreshing when an athlete receives accolades for managing his or her sport AND academics with great success at a very good academic school. Such was the case last week with Jon Ward from Ursinus. On May 1st The Philadelphia Inquirer named Ward The Philly-SIDA Academic All Area Men's Player of the Year for the  Metropolitian Philadelphia area. It's voted on by all 28 college SID's in the metro Philly area which includes all the DI,II, AND III schools. The Ursinus site released a article on the announcement and just this weekend KYW News 1060 AM ran a story on their radio station about it and its sister station, 94 WIP Sports radio website, has the entire radio interview to listen to along with a printed article about his pending internship this summer in Paris, France. When you listen to the entire radio interview you really get a feel for what kind of head Jon has on his shoulders and the type of kid he truly is. These are the types of accomplishments and situations college sports talking heads should be focusing on. The young men and woman who are dedicated to their academics and to contributing to help to make this world a better place to live. These are the true scholar athletes. Athletes Ursinus College and the Centennial Conference can truly be proud of helping to develop . Congrats to Jon, Kevin and his staff, and to Ursinus College. Go Bears!!!   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 14, 2012, 04:48:14 PM
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/05/13/ursinus-hoops-star-excited-to-study-the-stars/

coco,

I have included the link to the article you are talking about so other bloggers can tune in.  As we know, Jon Ward is going to intern in Paris this summer.  Read the attached article to get some of the details.  Jon is a true scholar athlete.  Sure makes me feel like an underachiever.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on May 14, 2012, 05:45:49 PM
I agree Gabriel, the students of this generation have opportunities we boomers rarely had. Play ball in Italy one summer and Vegas over holiday break and intern in Paris for another summer. Man I was tickled just to go to the jersey shore for a weekend in the summer with my buddies and maybe grab a few pick up games in Sea Isle. Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on May 22, 2012, 01:53:38 AM
Congratulations to Ian Goldberg of Haverford and Jon Ward of Ursinus for being elected to all Philly-SIDA Academic All Area Team. Both players were also First Team All Centennial Conference in 2011-12 and also made the Centennial Conference Honor Roll for superior academic achievement. Both are also 1,000 point scorers in their basketball careers. Congrats to both these student athletes and their respective programs!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 22, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
Centfan,

Thanks for the update.  I don't know if you saw my earlier posting with the link regarding Jon Ward's internship in Paris.  Ian Goldberg is well deserving of recognition as well.  I am glad he graduated as the Bears had no one who could guard him.  Academic accomplishments such as Jon and Ian's are terrific.  Makes one proud to be associated with DIII sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on May 22, 2012, 08:26:13 PM
gabriel,
i did see your post and also read the article on ward. thanks.i wanted to mention goldberg and ward as i enjoyed watching them both play. it takes alot to play ball in college and deal with the academics at a fine institution...to excel in both is truly remarkable!!! it is great to see these young men acknowledged.
enjoy your summer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:08:33 PM
Hope you don't mind a break in the action, as it were, but I want to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on May 31, 2012, 04:04:38 PM
wow, awful news.  thanks for sharing
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on June 24, 2012, 03:06:53 PM
The Ursinus 2012-13 hoops schedule is posted.  The Bears open the season playing in the Lebanon Valley College tourney 16 and 17 November against Middlebury.  The Lebanon Valley tournament is a bit of a change for the Bears---in recent years they have opened in New England or New York tournaments---Rochester, Wesleyan, Williams, Trinity and Hamilton. Middlebury will be a tough test for the Bears, make no mistake about that.  The other team in the tournament besides  Lebanon Valley is the College of Staten Island---another NCAA tournament team from last year.  This seems to be a good tournament that will give us an idea of how good the Bears will be.  Other non conference games will be against Moravian, Eastern, Immaculata and two games in the Land of Magic Classic in Florida after Christmas.

Ursinus announced their class of 2016 recruits as:

Malik Draper, 6'3" guard from Scranton High School, PIAA 4A all state player intends to major in Biology
Trevor Norton, 6'4" guard from Bishop Eustace to major in Sports Science
Mark Wonderling. 6'3" guard from Souderton High School will major in Business/Economics

All three are wing players who can shoot and score---a major weakness last year.  Great kids, they all look good on You Tube but how much will they help as freshmen?  We'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on June 25, 2012, 06:25:52 PM
Thanks Gabriel! They sound just what that team needs!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 26, 2012, 03:18:15 PM
Gabriel:
The Bears have an exceptional talent in Malik Draper.
Absolutely one of the best players in the Scranton area.
I have seen him play a number of times & he can lead a fast break, shoot the "3" & dunk over kids 6'6".
He will be a fan favorite for the next 4 years.
I know many of us that follow Scranton had high hopes for him staying home & playing alongside Ross Danzig.
Great kid as well.
Our loss!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on June 26, 2012, 04:09:50 PM
Saratoga,

Good to hear your comments about Malik Draper.  I know the coaches are high on him and expect him to be in the rotation right away.  It wouldn't surprise me if he starts as a freshman. I understand his test scores were superb and he seems to be choosing a rigorous science curriculum in preparation for an advanced degree. He did have a lot of Ivy and Patriot League interest.

Ursinus' guard play was poor last year on both ends of the court---no sense sugar coating it.  That should improve this year with more athletic reinforcements, more experience and the addition of Dennis Stanton to the coaching staff.  He coached another of the Ursinus recruits, Mark Wonderling, last year at Souderton High.  I met Mark and he is a great kid as well and solid enough to be in the rotation as a freshman.  He will certainly contribute a lot over the next four years.  I don't know much about Trevor Norton but I understand he has a terrific upside. 

Swat Dad---thanks for your encouraging words and I think Swat will do much better this year with a solid returning nucleus and a new coach.  Maybe Ursinus and Swat will surprise everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on June 30, 2012, 02:26:49 PM
should be another unpredictable season next year in the CC....i imagine f&m will continue to be strong, but after that hard to say
hope everyone is having a good summer
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on July 05, 2012, 03:19:05 PM
anyone know if theyre doing another d3hoops vegas classic and if any cent teams are playing?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 05, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
We are, but there are no Centennial teams this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 04, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
Round           2012-13 date, location                 Usual date, location
Selection           Monday, Feb. 25                         Monday, Feb. 25
First round     Saturday, March 2 *                 Thursday/Friday, Feb. 28/March 1 *
Second round   Saturday, March 9 *                 Saturday, March 2 *
Sweet 16           Saturday, March 16 *                 Friday, March 8 *
Elite 8           Friday, March 22, Salem         Saturday, March 9 *
Semifinals           Saturday, March 23, Salem         Friday, March 15, Salem
Final                   Sunday, April 7, Atlanta         Saturday, March 16, Salem
Time spanned   41 days                                 19 days

Don't like the possible new format.  Possibly more travel, more days off from work needed, more expense for housing and food, housing hard to find in Atlanta and more expensive if D1 teams also playing on the same weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 04, 2012, 04:43:49 PM
This isn't possible... it is pretty much how it will be done. The President's Council just has to rubber stamp this in their meetings coming up this week.

While this isn't perfect, a couple of things to keep in mind:
- There may be more travel, but since it will be limited more to weekends, it could be less stressful to the athletes.
- If you are talking about housing and food from the team's perspective, keep in mind that the NCAA pays those expenses. If you are talking from your own point of view... I can't help you, sorry.
- The NCAA has indicated they plan to work at making sure D3 fans (along with D2 fans) have places to stay and tickets to the games, including ideas for free ticket give-a-ways. While it may appear like things will be more expensive, my conversations with those at the NCAA indicate they will be doing their best to make it an enjoyable experience for D2 and D3.
- Remember, this is a one year experience... there are no plans for this to be a permanent option for D3.

To catch up on other details, check out the following links to special Hoopsville On Demand podcasts with NCAA Division III Vice President Dan Dutcher and new Division III men's basketball national committee chair Mike DeWitt (Ohio Wesleyan coach):
Dan Dutcher: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/dutcher-interview-2013-title-game (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/dutcher-interview-2013-title-game)
Mike DeWitt: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/07/2013-tournament-spread-out (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/07/2013-tournament-spread-out)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on August 13, 2012, 11:32:57 AM
seems kind of long and drawn out, my guess is it was a way to get money out of a championship game unopposed on final four sunday.  I'd imagine CBS Sports Network worked out a deal with NCAA to have D2 and d3 title games that sunday
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on August 13, 2012, 12:04:01 PM
good article on the F&M standout

http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/711869_F-M-s-Milligan-signs-with-team-in-Germany.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 13, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on August 13, 2012, 11:32:57 AM
seems kind of long and drawn out, my guess is it was a way to get money out of a championship game unopposed on final four sunday.  I'd imagine CBS Sports Network worked out a deal with NCAA to have D2 and d3 title games that sunday

Not really the case. The NCAA wanted to celebrate 75 years of basketball and decided they wanted to try and have all of the titles contended in Atlanta. Obviously you aren't going to play the games on Saturday when the D1 Final Four is taking place... and you aren't going to play the games on Monday (unless one of the schools in the D3 final is a religious type like Hope, Wheaton (IL and others), Messiah, etc.) to contend with the D1 title game... and you aren't going to play on Friday when the weekend is just kicking off and people, coaches, etc. are just getting to town.

As for CBS Sports Network, considering the game hasn't been on their air in a few years, this was a way for the NCAA to make sure it did get on their air. CBS actually has less of an ability to say no to carrying the game when they already have their entire wealth of crews and equipment right next door then they do in Salem. D2 already airs on the CBS Network... so this isn't a leap of faith either. It is just too bad that CBS decided not to go with the D2 and D3 games on the big network on a Sunday that I don't think they normally have a lot of other things scheduled.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 22, 2012, 05:27:12 PM
2012-13 Schedules are starting to appear.

Ursinus' schedule includes 11 home games and 14 road games.  They open at the Lebanon Valley tourney on Nov 16 against a very good Middlebury team and then will play either the College of Staten Island or Lebanon Valley.  Other non-conference games before Christmas include home games against Immaculata, Moravian and Eastern.  After Christmas they travel to the Land of Magic Tournament in Florida and play Cortland State and Hamilton.  This seems to be a strong non conference schedule with two NESCAC schools in additon to very good teams from Staten Island and Cortland State.  I have no idea how good the three Pennsylvania schools will be but they are usually quite competitive.

Now Ursinus fans will just have to wait and see how good the Bears will be.  They will be better athletically.  The big questions are---who will step up to help Jon Ward offensively and can they cut down on turnovers.
They have the potential to be a play off contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 23, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
Sounds good for Ursinus.  They should be much better than last year.  Hoping to find out who F&M's new freshmen are tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 23, 2012, 06:00:57 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on August 23, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
Sounds good for Ursinus.  They should be much better than last year.  Hoping to find out who F&M's new freshmen are tomorrow.

Reserved Seat,

I think the Bears will be better this year but will need much better guard play.  We'll all be anxious to hear about the F&M recruits.

In an earlier post, you mentioned Ursinus recruit Malik Draper.  My understanding is that he is a terrific student, straight A's in high school with excellent test scores.  He was recruited by several Ivy and Patriot League schools but Ursinus was there very early.  He expects to be a science major.  He is so solid academically and as a person that he would have been accepted at Ursinus whether or not he played sports.  He was an all state player last year at Scranton High and undoubtedly will help the Bears.  I already have him projected as a starter this year at the 3.  We'll see how accurate my crystal ball is.  No doubt, Middlebury will be a tough opponent coming out of the gate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on August 24, 2012, 12:54:36 AM
i too think the bears will be better. i think they lacked reliable players last year except for ward. beyond their personnel, they didn't have leadership on the floor. they folded too easily and didn't show much heart. someone needs to assume a leadership position for them to be better and play with more desire to win. they haven't had a true leader in several years..they need someone who makes other guys better and makes them accountable.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 24, 2012, 08:09:05 AM
Centfan,

Couldn't agree more.  The last true leaders were the tandem of Remy Cousart and Kevin McGarvey.  This year leadership needs come from Krasna, Ward and Donahue.  Freshmen Draper and Wonderling have potential but they need to earn their spurs first.  Bears will play with more heart this year and will be back near the top soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 24, 2012, 05:24:11 PM
Talked to several possible players for F&M today.  I understand why Robinson doesn't hype future players.  Two of them indicated they're probably not going to try out in order to put emphasis on their academics.  Fortunately, Gordon Rogo is planning on playing.  He said he certainly has some big shoes to try to fill. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 24, 2012, 05:38:26 PM
Another reason why I feel press releases indicating what players have "committed" to a school to play a particular sport are not worth much more than the email or paper they were printed on.

Until a student has been accepted, decides to attend, walks on campus, registers for classes, practices with the team, is put on the roster, and THEN puts on a uniform and is on the bench or in the game... I don't put ANY stock in who is or isn't coming to schools in Division III. There are too many variables along the way that have a player change their minds or direction in life.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on August 25, 2012, 08:54:15 AM
RS: What has happened to the tall F&M freshman center last year that was out all year with an illness & red-shirted. Is he coming back this season? Thx.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 25, 2012, 09:13:49 AM
The two big centers that were on campus last year are both back on campus this year.  I believe you are referring to Matt Wilson.  As of now both are planning on trying out.  I would think both would be rusty after not playing for a year.  I try to talk to them this week if I see them on campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bballgoat23 on August 29, 2012, 09:31:06 AM
I have watched CC basketball for many years, I live in a perfect spot where I can see a lot of games. And as this season gets started its funny to hear all the chatter of how teams need to improve and who is going to finish where. Let me point out some of my problems and feel free to respond; let me hear the feedback!

F&M: You will need to replace Gerogio, but you have a D1 transfer coming, you gotta play through Hyack & Salandra, and come someone please teach your wings how to shoot! Like C'mon Glenn.
Dickinson: You have two studs the rest need to step up, but #25 needs to control his emotions, Honig is good. Tell your coaching staff to dress better.
Ursinus: I have the biggest problem with Bears fan. When was the last time you made the playoffs? whats the problem; gaurds? coaching? Oh maybe its that Jon Ward is the biggest cry-baby in all of basketball including the Collegeville Biddy Leauge.
Muhlenberg: Gotta replace Liddic, but that kid Killing, hes got swag and the game to back it up
Washington: all I got to say is their biggest lost wasnt breslin, it was loosing their assistant coach.
Do we even need to mention the other teams? I do respect JHU, MCD plays tough. Swat good luck! Haverford maybe next year?
oh yeah Gettysburg....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on August 29, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
goat...2 studs on dickinson? i saw one..wixted
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bballgoat23 on August 30, 2012, 10:04:22 AM
Ethan Stewart Smith
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on August 30, 2012, 02:53:30 PM
great stuff goat.  season will be here before you know it.  Just remember my mantra..

Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend
Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end
There won't be any trumpets blowing, Come the judgment day
On the bloody morning after who.....
One tin soldier rides away
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 30, 2012, 05:28:11 PM


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Ursinus: I have the biggest problem with Bears fan. When was the last time you made the playoffs? whats the problem; gaurds? coaching? Oh maybe its that Jon Ward is the biggest cry-baby in all of basketball including the Collegeville Biddy Leauge.
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In the past 12 years, the Bears have 4 conference championships and 9 playoff appearances.  Not to shabby I would say.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: shoreman55 on August 30, 2012, 10:49:56 PM
goat--like the impartial analysis on those teams. can you give your take on the teams you "didn't want to mention?"  i.e. mcdaniel, gettysburg, haverford, swat, and jhu? if last years washington team was any indication, sometimes its those bottom 5 teams that can surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on August 31, 2012, 12:07:34 AM
goat...
the assistant coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 04, 2012, 10:15:34 AM
Washington's assistant coach, Robert Hughes, was hired by Rosemont as their new head coach: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/08/hughes-named-coach-at-rosemont (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/08/hughes-named-coach-at-rosemont)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: thundercat001 on September 05, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
SCHOOL IS IN SESSION. Student athletes are beginning to work hard, and get on the court, except for Gettysburg players who are picking out frats first. There is a good collection of talent this year in the CC, (8 of 10 isnt bad). Schedules are set, still waiting on you Glen Dawg, to schedule those last 3 home games... Things that will be missed from last year...
1) No more Georgia dripping swag sauce through out the CC.
2) No more Lee Wimberley extremely enthusiastic reaction to great plays
3) Finally Spencer Liddic graduated (nice 6 year career)
4) Wont have to puke looking at Kevin Breslins crust-stache
5) Finally no more Jon Ward tears (oh wait, nevermind he's only 20, tears stop at 21...)
THE THUNDER THOUGHT OF THE WEEK: Rank your top 5 students sections...(haverford, swat need not apply)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 05, 2012, 07:54:08 PM
Quote from: thundercat001 on September 05, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
SCHOOL IS IN SESSION. Student athletes are beginning to work hard, and get on the court, except for Gettysburg players who are picking out frats first. There is a good collection of talent this year in the CC, (8 of 10 isnt bad). Schedules are set, still waiting on you Glen Dawg, to schedule those last 3 home games... Things that will be missed from last year...
1) No more Georgia dripping swag sauce through out the CC.
2) No more Lee Wimberley extremely enthusiastic reaction to great plays
3) Finally Spencer Liddic graduated (nice 6 year career)
4) Wont have to puke looking at Kevin Breslins crust-stache
5) Finally no more Jon Ward tears (oh wait, nevermind he's only 20, tears stop at 21...)
THE THUNDER THOUGHT OF THE WEEK: Rank your top 5 students sections...(haverford, swat need not apply)

What on earth are you talking about? Are you on some controlled substance?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on September 05, 2012, 11:49:55 PM
thundercat meet bballgoat. bballgoat meet thundercat.
kindred spirits
let's hope the thunder "thought" of the week improves...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2012, 12:42:18 AM
Quote from: centfan on September 05, 2012, 11:49:55 PM
thundercat meet bballgoat. bballgoat meet thundercat.

Wow -- centfan sniffed you out on one post.

You only get one handle, bballcat/thundergoat. The next one you post with is it. The other gets deleted.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on September 07, 2012, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: thundercat001 on September 05, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
THE THUNDER THOUGHT OF THE WEEK: Rank your top 5 students sections...(haverford, swat need not apply)
you have to look at student sections when a team is good in order to properly judge.  Since F&M is always good, save a few lean years, you dont want to jump to conclusions and put them number 1.  From my experiences at games and on the computer, i would rank them in the following categories:
Top tier: Dickinson, Ursinus - both are incredibly rowdy and even though the ursinus chants can get embarrassingly stupid, they can create a great college atmosphere.
Next tier: F&M, hopkins.  JHU had a great section when they were good, F&M packs their section, but the aesthetics of mayser make it tough for the students to impact the game (plus the rest of the crowd is a wine and cheese party).
Could be better: Mules, McD, GB. these sections rise to the occasion when needed, but never showed consistent support. 
Incomplete: Haverford, Swat, never have been good enough to earn students support.

Good question Thunder, keep these thoughts coming
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on September 10, 2012, 08:00:34 AM
one tin..
haverford has been in the playoffs 2 out of the last 4 years. the support for home games is modest to decent. alot of students spend a fair amount of time in the library as a priority, which does affect attendance. also, putting swat and haverford in the same category basketball wise is a stretch.  ursinus is in your top tier and haverford has "never been good enough to earn students support". ask ursinus how they have liked playing haverford in recent history (they were blown out by haverford by about 40 last year at ursinus).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 10, 2012, 06:34:34 PM
Haverford's fan support is improving.
F&M's student support is weak.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on September 10, 2012, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on September 10, 2012, 06:34:34 PM
F&M's student support is weak.

I thought the regular-season support last season was better than previous years, but still not what it should be. The NCAA playoff games, especially vs. Amherst, were among the loudest student sections I've seen in Mayser.

Quote from: onetinsoldier on September 07, 2012, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: thundercat001 on September 05, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
THE THUNDER THOUGHT OF THE WEEK: Rank your top 5 students sections...(haverford, swat need not apply)
Top tier: Dickinson, Ursinus - both are incredibly rowdy and even though the ursinus chants can get embarrassingly stupid, they can create a great college atmosphere.

one tin, Ursinus in the top tier? Maybe five years ago. I don't think the student section in Helferrich is what it used to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 12, 2012, 06:40:26 PM

Folks -

Just a couple of thoughts on student sections. When Gettysburg was consistently at the top of the Centennial, their students were as loud, crazy, and rowdy as any. I seem to remember several times in the Conference play-offs that they came to Mayer in mass and took over the place! However, since they have fallen on tougher times...... Also from my experience, while small in both numbers and gym size, I always find the Shoremen crowd at Chestertown to be fairly rowdy and loud. Since nobody else has mentionned WC, I thought they should be recognized and included in this discussion. At most places that I visit when the Dips are on the road, I usually feel fairly welcome or at least tolerated and accepted. However, I can not say that for the cavernous "Mule Barn"! Finally, for my money, the worst non-conference crowd is up the road in Annville at LVC. (I am sure this last comment will grab Warren's attention).

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on September 12, 2012, 06:49:45 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on September 10, 2012, 06:34:34 PM
F&M's student support is weak.
While I'll agree that's normally true, I was incredibly impressed with the support for the Sweet 16/Elite 8 games during Spring Break. We can get some students to come for playoffs...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2012, 11:09:00 PM
This is one of those where the URL gives you a pretty good idea what the story is about.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/09/weissman-story-to-be-made-into-movie
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on September 13, 2012, 08:17:39 AM
thanks pat, for that link.
a great story and great moment when that kid was on the iine shooting.
everyone came together.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 13, 2012, 11:54:20 AM
Diplomaniac1:

Please know that LVC folks learned how to be rowdy and sometimes obnoxious by watching those white-shoe preppies in Mayser.  :D  However, we're much calmer now that the Dutchmen and the Dips no longer play each other.  ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 15, 2012, 10:42:12 AM
Looks like F&M has a good/bad problem.  Too many quality players. To keep the team size to a manageable number, numerous players will have to be cut.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on September 16, 2012, 08:44:05 AM
According to Centennial site an incomplete Diplomat schedule seems interesting.

It looks like they've given up their 2 home based tournaments. There are 2 TBD, hopefully no Elmyra or LBC tilts this year. However:

@ Penn State Harrisburg (very good team last year 20-7, almost made the NCAA)
@ Transylvania tournament. Transy almost always top 30 type of team.
Plattsburgh St. Often a quality program, somewhat off-year last season
@ St. Mary's (traditional brutal road trip to strong team)
I awate the TBD to hope to be intersting additions
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 17, 2012, 06:48:03 PM
I've heard the Penn State Harrisburg is a misprint. Supposedly, it's a home game as part of a tournament.
Penn State Harrisburg lists it as an away game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ryan_finch on September 24, 2012, 09:32:08 AM
On September 29th Muhlenberg College will host it's 4th Annual Fall Shootout. I invite all college coaches to come on by to watch some high level basketball. The first game will begin at 8:30 am and the last game will be at 8:30 pm. Below is a list of schools which will be in attendance. I hope you can make it!

Emmaus   PA
Rutgers Prep   NJ
Allen   PA
Paul VI   VA
Westtown   PA
Parkland   PA
Bethlehem Catholic   PA
Dieruff   PA
North Hunterdon   NJ
Del Val Charter   PA
Phoenixville   PA
Mendham   NJ
Ridge   NJ
Cumberland Valley   PA
Delaware County Christian   PA
Quakertown   PA
Pen Argyl   PA
Souderton   PA
Stroudsburg   PA
St. Johns Bapist   NY
Freedom   PA
Hatboro-Horsham   PA
Patrick School   NJ
Holy Cross   PA
Constitution   PA
Atholton   MD
Gill St. Bernards   NJ
Ben Franklin   PA
Springfield Delco   PA
Point Pleasant Beach   NJ
Nazareth   PA
Myers   PA
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: thundercat001 on October 02, 2012, 11:49:02 PM
I heard from a source that there might have been some shake-up on the F&M staff...Cant confirm it but I wonder how this effects things down in Dip land. 2 weeks to practice!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 03, 2012, 01:18:21 PM
3 weeks to practice-the Centennial Conference doesn't allow practice until a week later than most schools-weird rule
Change in staff, but not a shake-up.  One of the assistant coaches has less time to devote to the team due to his full-time job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on October 03, 2012, 11:09:50 PM
Somewhat exciting addition to F&M's schedule:
Western Conn. St. on opening weekend. I'm guessing the time is wrong again...

and PSU-Harrisburg is now at home for Tip-Off tournament again.
and the it'll be either Salisbury or East. Conn. for New Years Tournament game 2
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 04, 2012, 04:53:00 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

Welcome back! I noticed that F&M is finally providing information on its new recruits for the Men's Basketball team.  The following is the link to the article on F&M's website. Go Dips!

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/releases/2012100462f36n (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/releases/2012100462f36n)

Enjoy! I can hardly wait for practice and the season to begin. Bring it on! Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 04, 2012, 04:56:38 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

Here is the link to the Dips' 2012-2013 season schedule posted on the F&M website.

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/schedule (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/schedule)

Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 04, 2012, 11:35:41 PM
swat coach (via davidson) already has a reputation for being no nonsense. don't look for swat in the playoffs quite yet
but maybe they will surprise a few teams with an ambush win
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 06, 2012, 12:22:02 AM
before the season starts, i ask that dads refrain from hyping their own sons. it is distasteful, to say the least, and an embarrassment to the player. let others compliment a good player or a good young man. if he is worthy, someone will acknowledge him and dad can then take pleasure in it. watching a dad anonymously souping up his own kid is quite sad. it's a new season soon upon us...let's act a bit more classy this year and refrain from such unappealing behavior. go centennial!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 06, 2012, 11:02:17 AM
centfan, I do hope that was not aimed at me. I have always tried to say nothing but positive things about all the players in the Centennial Conference.

I do think Swat may surprise a few teams this year as there are two three year starters, two two year starters and a much improved front line. And a new coach.

I am really interested in how you know already that he is a no nonsense coach. Do you have an inside Swat source or was that just speculation?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on October 06, 2012, 12:06:13 PM
 Centfan, who is it that you seemed to have become enamoured with and focused on with your eloquent request to start this season off? I've not seen or read anything close to what your pontificating on about with your post. Since someone seems to have assigned you to be the Centennial post police on this site, (or maybe that was self appointed), let me throw you my two cents. I think you'd be better off asking those that post on this site to refrain from personal attacks and rude, crass comments about the young men that play in this conference. I have no idea if you have ever had a son play at this level but to make a blanket statement as you did is void of sense or logic! When people post on any site and can hide behind a keyboard while spouting and spewing garbage, especially about athletes who aren't getting paid but are playing for the love of the game at any college level, comments and opinions should be thrown back their way and the sons or daughters should be defended and "souped up" as you, the posting cop, labeled it! To be playing at this level, be it I, II, or III, is an accomplishment each athlete and their parents should be damn proud of. They are by far in the minority of all non professional young athletes who start out in middle school with dreams of playing their favorite sport in college, and they work their ass off, scholastically and athletically, to accomplish that and get there. They deserve the support they get and the comments generated, especially by their parents and family. In closing, I know of no one that gives a flyin crap if you, Centfan, label and think supporting your son or daughter is "distasteful", what is "distasteful" and an "embarrassment" is that you actually think a parent would give a damn if you thought their son or daughter would be "worthy" of your or anyone elses praise on this site! Worthy praise has, does, and will continue to come to those that deserve it from those sources that are truly important and meaningful in the lives of these young men. So yes centfan, please take your own advice and let's act with a bit more class and refrain from such unappealing comments or you just might have to arrest yourself!       
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2012, 01:07:26 AM
Ahem. Sorry, but it's your post that's out of line, cocoh2oDad.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on October 07, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
Ahem, you're entitled to your opinion. Sorry, I stand by mine.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2012, 06:53:00 PM
Yes, but I actually am the Centennial post police and the police for all the other boards as well. Sorry to have to spell it out for you but just in case it needed to be clarified.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 07, 2012, 09:49:46 PM
?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 07, 2012, 10:07:24 PM
swat dad,
i heard from someone who knows a kid on the team that the new coach is quite focused and serious about changing the basketball program. it sounds as if he will help the team take their play to a higher level, which is great. i am sure that his experience coming from davidson, a recently successful D1 program with very few students in the school, motivates him to build swarthmore into a more competitive team. in terms of my comment about dads hyping their own sons, i have seen too much of it with parents from middle school on up. i was hoping it would stop in a conference like the centennial, given the quality of schools and families. not everyone agrees that it is unappealing. the comment was meant for anyone who feels it applies to them.
good luck this year!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on October 08, 2012, 08:19:15 AM
when a guy calls himself "dad," i dont really know how thats anonymous.  Coco, i thought that was a rationale, if not lengthy, retort to centfan's rather odd request. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on October 08, 2012, 08:37:17 AM
Thanks OTS, I have that tendency when its something I'm pretty passionate about.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 08, 2012, 11:38:27 AM
F&M's Madness will be at 11 PM on Oct. 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 08, 2012, 11:48:24 AM
Centfan, darn it, I was hoping it would stay secret until the season started. It is very serious and much different. I hope this is a good year for anyone. And, if I have ever said anything that is not positive, I do apologize. I always try to be nothing but positive as I love the Centennial Conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 08, 2012, 12:29:19 PM
SwatDad, keep supporting your son.
I support mine all the time. He just got back from his deployment in southwest Asia.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 09, 2012, 03:02:22 PM
Swat dad,
you are one of the kindest people on here.
God bless all the young men in our lives
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 10, 2012, 06:33:04 PM
Thank you! I have spent the greater part of my life coaching young men basketball, both at the high school level and the AAU level. The one thing I do know is that all the young men are the same, whether playing for you or against you. I really enjoy the time after the game getting to know Centennial players and parents who are on or for the other team. Every young man I have met has been an incredible kid. When my son scored his 1000th point last year at Ursinus, I bet every opposing player and parent stayed after the game to congratulate my son. I thought it was a class act. I also loved after the F&M game, my mother in law went up to a player and told him not to guard her grandson so hard. The young man cracked up and talked to her over a half hour. We are all so blessed to be around such class acts! I hope the season goes really well, that all your teams win all their games except when playing Swarthmore, and you enjoy all the wonderful memories made throughout the season. And I agree, God Bless our young men who are keeping us safe. Basketball is a game, protecting us is life and death.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 10, 2012, 08:45:36 PM
agreed, swat dad. well said. good luck this year!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 12, 2012, 01:22:20 AM
will someone please tell coco to stop writing to me. i am surprised that he is still allowed on this board. isn't he way over the negative karma limit?
hopefully, there will be a centennial conference fan game someday so we can enjoy watching coco showcase his skills. if we match up, i will immediately post him and call for the ball. should be fun.

2012 centennial season is creeping towards us!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 12, 2012, 11:31:06 PM
Thought you Centennial and mainly F&M fans might be interested to see this.
http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2012/10/12/D3N2012FactSheet.pdf?id=322 (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2012/10/12/D3N2012FactSheet.pdf?id=322)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:26:57 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on October 18, 2012, 11:27:19 AM
not really sure what makes F&M a top ten team.  Theyll probably be lucky to win the conference this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 18, 2012, 02:18:23 PM
F&M should have a good team.  It will depend on how well and how soon Rogo and Figueroa can blend in.  Winning the CC will be challenging, since there are a lot of teams with returning quality players.  F&M should definitely be in the mix since they have 4 returning starters.  Robinson will have to cut several players once he's able to see them play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
I thought F&M and Cabrini were both a little high myself, but we'll see how the season plays out. If we don't know sooner, we should at least have some indication by the time F&M goes to Transylvania.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 18, 2012, 08:15:58 PM
i think the thing about f&m in the conference that gives them an edge is that they have bigs, or strong guys down low that play tougher than almost all the other bigs in the conference. dickinson has a strong big, hopkins seemed strong down low physically last year, but everyone else seems like they have little to modest strength in the paint. most of the bigs in the conference don't command the paint and make guys think twice about coming in there..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: thundercat001 on October 21, 2012, 09:30:55 AM
YESSIR - CC BBALL SEASON IS HERE!
THE ROAD TO HOTLANTA STARTS NOW
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 21, 2012, 08:13:39 PM
On the eve to the start of the season, I wish you all good luck, a great season, and many many happy memories. This is the final season I will be involved in the league so I do hope it is a great season, especially for Swarthmore. I can't believe how fast these four years have gone by. It seems like it was just yesterday I was getting ready to watch my first game at Swat. So, tons of smiles, lots of thrills, and some good hoop to all of you. In four months, I will really miss all this!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 22, 2012, 08:30:35 AM
Swat Dad, hope your son has a great year.  I'll tell Porter not to cover him too close.  Fortunately, he won't listen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 25, 2012, 10:41:37 AM
F&M's roster is announced tonight.  Only a few more cuts, and it will be official.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 26, 2012, 09:10:10 AM
Does F&M scrimmage Messiah again this year? If so, who will host and is it an open scrimamge? Although very early in the year, two NCAA teams from a year ago, could show us something.

My thought Dickinson vs F&M for CC Tournament Championship. Although there are no sure bets this year in the CC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 26, 2012, 11:27:00 AM
Tentatively, F&M is scheduled to scrimmage Messiah at Messiah on the 11th.  F&M introduced 7 first year players last night, but several familiar faces were missing.  Also, some of the recruits posted previously were not there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on October 26, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
RS: Who is familiar that is missing from F&M squad?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 26, 2012, 11:41:45 AM
Kevin Henry was not there.  I'll have to find out what that means.
Brett and Austin transferred.

Found out the Kevin decided not to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 26, 2012, 04:43:57 PM
Does any other CC team have a tougher opening tournament than Ursinus playing in the Lebanon Valley tournament?  Bears play Middlebury (#4 D3 Hoops preseason) in the first round and then either Lebanon Valley or Staten Island (both included in "Others Receiving Votes D3Hoops) in the second round.

Should be a good tournament.  Clearly the Bears are the underdog and might start 0-2.  They would have played Lebanon Valley in the first round, but Staten Island did not want to play Middlebury in the first game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 04, 2012, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 26, 2012, 04:43:57 PM
Does any other CC team have a tougher opening tournament than Ursinus playing in the Lebanon Valley tournament?  Bears play Middlebury (#4 D3 Hoops preseason) in the first round and then either Lebanon Valley or Staten Island (both included in "Others Receiving Votes D3Hoops) in the second round.

Should be a good tournament.  Clearly the Bears are the underdog and might start 0-2.  They would have played Lebanon Valley in the first round, but Staten Island did not want to play Middlebury in the first game.

Hobart, Messiah, Keystone, Dickinson at the Messiah Tip off. While Middlebury is certainly the best team, top to bottom I think the Messiah tournament could be stronger.

Middlebury>Hobart

Messiah>Staten Island
Keystone>LVC
Dickinson>Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 04, 2012, 07:54:07 PM
CC,

You're kidding of course!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 05, 2012, 08:39:50 AM
F&M looked good in an intra-squad scrimmage last night. Defense was especially strong.  New players are quick and athletic.  A few significant injuries--Joe Krong and Xavier Braham ACLs.
F&M scrimmages Messiah next weekend. Should be a good test for both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 07, 2012, 08:55:05 AM
RS: When is the F&M-Messiah scrimmage? Thanks for all the info.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 07, 2012, 09:05:54 AM
The Messiah scrimmage is currently scheduled for Saturday at 2:30.  If I hear different, I'll post an update.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 09, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 07, 2012, 09:05:54 AM
The Messiah scrimmage is currently scheduled for Saturday at 2:30.  If I hear different, I'll post an update.

2:00pm in Brubaker Auditorium at Messiah College.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 09, 2012, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on November 04, 2012, 07:54:07 PM
CC,

You're kidding of course!

No, I am not. Yes Middlebury is the best of the 8 teams but LVC is not on par with Keystone and Ursinus not better than Dickinson. Staten Island not better than Messiah.

Just IMO-

1-8

MBury
Hobart
Messiah
Staten Island
Keystone- could be switched with Dickinson
Dickinson
Ursinus
LVC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2012, 01:44:54 PM
CC,

Both should be good tournaments.  I think you are over rating Keystone (their 2 best players graduated) and under rating Staten Island.  I saw them the last two years, they are a veteran team and are good.  The rest of your ratings look about right.  I would say (1-8):

Middlebury
Hobart
Staten Island
Messiah
Dickinson
Ursinus
Keystone
LVC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 09, 2012, 01:47:33 PM
QuoteQuote from: Reserved Seat on November 07, 2012, 09:05:54 am
The Messiah scrimmage is currently scheduled for Saturday at 2:30.  If I hear different, I'll post an update.

2:00pm in Brubaker Auditorium at Messiah College.

Just talked to the coaches less than 5 minutes ago, and they still said 2:30. I'm trying to attend, but 2:30 cuts it close so I've been checking on a regular basis to get the correct time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 09, 2012, 05:12:51 PM
Hey RS,

I have seen some conflicting posts.  Can you confirm the location of the scrimmage game?  Is it at F & M or Messiah?

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 09, 2012, 10:16:46 PM
According to the 2 assistant coaches, the scrimmage is scheduled for 2:30 at Messiah.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 10, 2012, 09:03:26 AM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn204.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D119%2Fmh%3D169%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fm1t5axobm8902pyf.jpg&hash=57f2381f84b577c87b9e607f1c4c7155186cd43f)The Centennial Conference will kick off the 2012-13 men's basketball season with an innovative multimedia event on Wednesday, Nov. 14, beginning at 1 p.m. The multimedia event will replace the traditional coaches' press conference, with each of the 10 head coaches discussing their prospectus for the upcoming year via Google+ Hangouts.

The Centennial Conference Tip-Off Event will begin promptly at 1 p.m. Coaches will each have 10-minute blocks fielding questions from both the moderator and viewers.

Viewers can watch the live event by clicking http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/videos/tipoff13 (http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/videos/tipoff13). The link will go live at 12:55 p.m. on Wednesday, Nov. 14.

Have a question for your favorite coach? Post them to our Facebook page or Tweet them to us using the hashtag #CCTipOff13. Then watch the stream to see if your question is selected! We hope you'll join us on Wednesday for the Centennial "Tip-Off Event."

Schedule:
1:00 - Swarthmore
1:10 - McDaniel
1:20 - Haverford
1:35 - Gettysburg
1:45 - Ursinus
1:55 - Washington College
2:10 - Johns Hopkins
2:20 - Dickinson
2:30 - Muhlenberg
2:45 - Franklin & Marshall
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 10, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Arrived at the Messiah scrimmage a little late.  By the time I arrived the Dips were already down by over 10 points.  According to a Messiah fan, F&M was sloppy with the ball and Messiah was nailing threes.  The first half(15 minutes) continued about the same with Messiah ending the half with about a 20 point lead.  F&M fought back in the second half(20 minutes) to cut the lead to 4 points with a minute to go.  Forced into foul mode, F&M watched Messiah's lead expand as they hit all their foul shots to win by about 10.  F&M will have to get improved play from the one spot.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on November 10, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
I arrived late as well, and saw the starters play only about 10 minutes of the second period.  When Hayk got the ball down low, he was triple teamed and still made the shot.  Hayk had a great game today! 

I was mildly concerned that Ed Early had an ice pack on his hand to close the day.

Morgan Lee was not listed on the roster a few days ago, maybe an oversight.  I was glad to see he had actually returned and played well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 11, 2012, 03:06:56 PM
Ed Early appeared to aggravate a previous injury.  He hadn't played in the Blue/White scrimmage.
Hopefully, he heals quick, because he had been playing very aggressively earlier in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 11, 2012, 04:40:21 PM
Messiah simply outplayed F&M. Beat them up and down the court, out rebounded them.... F&M has no PG and struggle to handle the ball- surprised Messiah did not press.

Messiah went up 20 at half and won by 9 with out their best player Fernandez playing (he looked fine just didn't play) and 2 big guys also like 6-6 each not suited up.

F&M needs to find a PG ASAP.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 11, 2012, 06:43:05 PM
The Messiah fans sitting near me said Fernandez tore is ACL.
Messiah definitely out-hustled F&M.  F&M never seemed to go aggressively after a loose ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 11, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
thanks for the commentary Reserved...
Despite being a devout fan of the dips, you are quite objective about the team and how they play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: shoreman55 on November 11, 2012, 10:17:30 PM
Reserved, how did the northeastern kid look in the messiah scrimmage?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 12, 2012, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 11, 2012, 06:43:05 PM
The Messiah fans sitting near me said Fernandez tore is ACL.
Messiah definitely out-hustled F&M.  F&M never seemed to go aggressively after a loose ball.

WOW!- Hate seeing any kid with an ACL, I believe someone stated two F&M players out with ACL's. Terrible, womder what Messiah would be like with that kid.

Anyway, F&M needs to figure the one spot out. I think I am going to see Dickinson v Hobart Friday then head to F&M Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 12, 2012, 09:23:59 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 10, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
F&M will have to get improved play from the one spot.

Quote from: CCHoopster on November 11, 2012, 04:40:21 PM
F&M has no PG and struggle to handle the ball- surprised Messiah did not press.

I think we're about to see how much GM meant to the Dips. F&M's preseason national ranking is based on 4 starters returning from a 28-3 team, but I think F&M would have lost at least 8-10 games last year without Milligan.

I thought Brewer would hold down the fort until Rogo or Figueroa could run the show. It sounds like that's a long way from happening.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 12, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
QuoteReserved, how did the northeastern kid look in the messiah scrimmage?
QuoteI thought Brewer would hold down the fort until Rogo or Figueroa could run the show. It sounds like that's a long way from happening.
The transfer didn't play much, but he had a couple turnovers when he played.
Rogo didn't play until the 3rd 'half'.
Phelps played some at the point.
Brewer may hold the spot for awhile.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on November 14, 2012, 09:28:38 AM
Just a reminder ... The Centennial Conference will kick off the 2012-13 men's basketball season with an innovative multimedia event on Wednesday beginning at 1 p.m. The multimedia event will replace the traditional coaches' press conference, with each of the 10 head coaches discussing their prospectus for the upcoming year via Google+ Hangouts. The Centennial Conference Tip-Off Event will begin promptly at 1 p.m. Coaches will each have 10-minute blocks fielding questions from both the moderator and viewers.

Viewers can watch the live event by clicking http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/videos/tipoff13. The link will go live at 12:55 p.m. on Wednesday, Nov. 14.

Have a question for your favorite coach? Post them to our Facebook page or Tweet them to us using the hashtag #CCTipOff13. Then watch the stream to see if your question is selected! We hope you'll join us on Wednesday for the Centennial "Tip-Off Event."

Schedule:
1:00 - Swarthmore
1:10 - McDaniel
1:20 - Haverford
1:35 - Gettysburg
1:45 - Ursinus
1:55 - Washington College
2:10 - Johns Hopkins
2:20 - Dickinson
2:30 - Muhlenberg
2:45 - Franklin & Marshall
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 14, 2012, 09:42:03 PM
As the season is ready to tip-off, please keep Goucher's Damon Brooks in your thoughts and prayers, if you so choose. He has been a fighter, but that doesn't mean it will be easy - despite the fact he says he is excited to see basketball being played once again.

I post this story here, because of the classy move by Johns Hopkin's Bill Nelson... who apparently contacted Goucher and told them he wanted to renew the intracity rivalry between the two schools... play a game this November at Goucher... and suggested making it a benefit for Brooks. Bravo.

www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012-13/looking-forward-to-basketball (http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012-13/looking-forward-to-basketball)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2012, 09:30:01 PM
Good start by F&M.  Hard to get a handle on their potential. PSU Harrisburg didn't put up much of a fight except for a short time in the middle of the first half. Points were well distributed with Hayk's 16 leading the way. F&M's height intimidated PSU on PSU's offensive, and F&M took advantage of their height on offense.  Brewer adequately held down the point guard position, and Rogo and Figuera showed potential.  F&M's three point shooting was good.  Several threes barely missed the mark.  Foul shooting was as usual, only 12 for 21.  F&M missed several easy shots which will need to be made in a very competitive game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on November 20, 2012, 04:53:36 PM
any of the F&M fans read anything into the 2-0 start?  with conference play starting tonight, i guess we'll get a good handle on things
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 20, 2012, 08:52:44 PM
looks like ursinus has found some new talent and leadership in malik draper...he makes them much better.playoff bound this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 20, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
Too early to tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 21, 2012, 09:23:14 AM
Grinnell embarrasses D3 basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on November 21, 2012, 09:29:19 AM
it just shows the culture of our me-first society that the only D3 bball exposure on ESPN this calendar year is a guy selfishly scoring 138 points in a game.  Reserved seat is right, its an embarrassment
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 21, 2012, 09:49:54 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 21, 2012, 09:23:14 AM
Grinnell embarrasses D3 basketball.

Agreed. The coach should be fired for allowing this. The school has zero morals or integrity!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 24, 2012, 09:27:50 AM
Grinell is a very good school. The fact that this kid scored so many points is ridiculous, no doubt. When he was interviewed, he said that the team all pitched in and wanted him to score as many points as possible. That made the game into a circus. 

"My thought was 'Hey, man, the kid's got it going. I'm going to let him go,'" he said (coach of Grinell).
Fincham (coach of opponent, Faith Baptist Bible) said he wasn't offended by Taylor's pursuit of the record. In fact, Fincham decided at halftime that it would try to get at least 50 points for his own player, David Larson, who finished with the quietest 70-point night in the history of basketball. He broke the school record of 47 and gave his teammates a reason to hold their heads high.

strange stuff
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Charles on November 24, 2012, 02:19:31 PM
Just watched a Galludet v Salisbury game. Could not have been more impressed with the team, the coaching staff and their collective games. Just a joy to watch and behold true college athletics at its best. Maybe ESPN will do a story on them?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on November 24, 2012, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on November 21, 2012, 09:29:19 AM
it just shows the culture of our me-first society that the only D3 bball exposure on ESPN this calendar year is a guy selfishly scoring 138 points in a game.  Reserved seat is right, its an embarrassment

Not quite the only D3 bball exposure on ESPN in 2012 ... Especially interesting that someone would say so on the Centennial board of all places :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 26, 2012, 11:09:41 AM
does anyone know if milligan is still playing ball somewhere? on the roster he is listed as having left the team in germany called Weissenhorn.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 26, 2012, 11:58:38 AM
Milligan's hoping to get drafted for the NBA D-league.
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2012/11/1/3586464/f-ms-georgio-milligans-sights-set-on-nba-d-league-as-he-looks-for-a
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 26, 2012, 08:54:52 PM
reserved:i believe the 2012 draft happened on nov 2 and giorgio was not selected.
the D league is tough. i look forward to following milligan's play after college if he continues.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/draft2012/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on November 27, 2012, 08:46:45 AM
Does anybody know why Will Gates isn't starting or getting hardly any playing time for Swat?  Strange.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 27, 2012, 04:55:38 PM
yes...i noticed that too about gates. an odd decision. i think he played 2 minutes last night. i hope he isn't hurt.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ddm1027 on November 28, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
I also hope that Gates is not hurt.  Does anyone know?  Going into the season, I know he had a good chance to break Swarthmore's scoring record.  Glancing at Swarthmore's statistics this year it looks like he was having some difficulty making shots consistently but he seems like a player that you let play through a shooting slump.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 28, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
new coach, maybe a new system at swat. we shall see...it seems a couple of other players that played a ton over the last couple of years have had their minutes reduced a fair amount as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on November 29, 2012, 08:53:47 PM
I don't think its appropriate to speak negatively in a public forum, however, it is half time here at F & M vs Ursinus, and Ed Early has been repeatedly mugged. He was elbowed, then thrown on the floor, and the foul was called on him.

Morgan Lee played one minute and had 2 fouls. Salandra 3 minutes and 2 fouls. 

Despite that, F & M has the lead, 26 to 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on November 29, 2012, 09:21:39 PM
Early's out with foul trouble. One minute of play in the second half he drew his third foul. Someone just ran into Early, hit the floor, Early's benched.   

Good thing F & M is deep....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on November 29, 2012, 09:31:10 PM
Porter is laying on the floor with a leg problem and 4 fouls.  He is about to be carried off. On the upside Hayk has 29 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on November 29, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
F & M wins!!!!!!

68  63

Hayk with 36 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 29, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
washington loses to haverford close but not a pretty game... baker, colombo, poarch played well
swat loses to mules poor defense, very high scoring ...killing strong offense with 38
dickinson beats mcdaniel...wixted dominates as usual
f&m wins close vs. ursinus...  hayk dominated easily in the paint with 36
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on November 30, 2012, 08:51:31 AM
i cant believe this year will be the tenth anniversary of the epic CC title game between F&M vs ursinus. 

that said, have the Bears even beaten F&M since Stanton left?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 30, 2012, 10:09:35 AM
Onetin,

Remember 2008' the Bears ran the table so they must have beaten the Dips twice.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 30, 2012, 10:27:58 AM
Onetin,

We think Early is a mugger not a muggee.  He plays hard but earns every foul he gets.  Last night was no exception---ask Jon Ward.  For perspective, Dips were in the bonus about 5 minutes into the game.

Despite the officiating----equally bad for both teams----a very entertaining game.  Bears had a chance to win but couldn't overcome Hayk and 23 turnovers.  Hayk was superb! 

Several good looking freshmen including Rogo & Figuera for the Dips and Draper & Wonderling for the Bears.  Look forward to the February game.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 30, 2012, 11:23:16 AM
Onetin,

Stanton played on the 2003 Conference Championship team and graduated in 2004.  Bears won the conference in 2005 (McGarvey era), 2006 (Same), and 2008 (Shattuck era) so they must have defeated the Dips somewhere along the way.  Remember the old saying "What goes around comes around".
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on November 30, 2012, 10:09:35 AM
Onetin,

Remember 2008' the Bears ran the table so they must have beaten the Dips twice.

Correct:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Ursinus/Men/2007-08/index

But none since.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 30, 2012, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on November 30, 2012, 08:51:31 AM
i cant believe this year will be the tenth anniversary of the epic CC title game between F&M vs ursinus. 

that said, have the Bears even beaten F&M since Stanton left?

Pat, 

We know that.  This is what I am responding to.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2012, 05:06:40 PM
I was confirming and providing a link to verify, plus the ability for people who would like to see other seasons to do so easily as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jhu on December 01, 2012, 05:48:21 AM
Big (at least as big as it can get a couple games into league sked) game today in Baltimore with Dickinson coming to JHU.  Haven't checked DC's stats, but the Devils look as good as their #2 preseason CC poll selection indicates.  JHU has played without Corbett all season and has a chance to be 5-1, 3-0 if it can pull out a win today.  Hopeful of him being back in January ... a nice midseason addition to a team to get its floor-leader back.
Solid senior class for JHU, but strong contributions from many of the SO and FR.  F&M the class until someone takes it from them (and rightfully so), but this JHU team could be dangerous by February.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 01, 2012, 07:15:48 AM
dickinson /JHU ...i will go with dickinson. they seem to lack a shooter but have the better point guard and big, which should be enough to win the game. dickinson has good ball movement and simple sets with everyone on board. they overachieve every year due to sound fundamental play. JHU are good defenders but wixted is a handful...him and hayk are the "problem" bigs in the conference for other teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jhu on December 01, 2012, 11:14:01 AM
No doubt Wixted is a handful - for anyone.  A good test for JHU for sure.  Hop might not quite be ready to win a game like this - especially w/o Corbett, but they are playing with confidence and seem to be able to score inside and out.  Should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2012, 08:11:53 PM
F&M survives two hostile environments(Ursinus and McDaniel).  Ursinus not as bad--less student support.
McDaniel had their football team but they basically only knew two words---b***s*** and s***s.
Hayk put up big numbers along with some fancy passing.  Porter and Morgan played well, but the rest of the team struggled to score.  Too many turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 02, 2012, 05:06:42 PM
Be aware fans.  Swarthmore is a load----not a gimme for any team, especially on their home court.  Ursinus barely survived on Saturday in overtime.  Really a good game.  The Bears, as they have been doing this year, fell behind by 10 points early in the game and had to claw back.  Only led at the end.  Swat is very disciplined on both ends of the court.  They play hard and shoot the ball very well.  Their weakness is a lack of offense from their post players.  I don't think Ursinus would have won that game if Gates had played more.  A mystery as to why he is not playing more and kind of sad too.  He does not seem to be injured----he scored 11 points in just 7 minutes of playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 02, 2012, 07:17:27 PM
F&M will likely either lose at Translvania and/or at St. Mary's (if they get through both challenges this week unscathed), as they both seem likely candidates to exploit F&M sloppy plus at times turnover prone play. Anybody can lose on the road to most of the teams in the CC, Dips included. The games I would worry that are precarious are against Dickinson either home or way, as Devils seem to be quite strong. Also Dips could lose at the Mule Barn, Haverford and/or JHU easily.

I expect a bushwacking deep in Southern Maryland at St. Mary's as they usually play strong uptempo pressure hoops (should expose presumed weaknesses) and the trip/venue alone is worth 10-15 points for the home team. The Transylvanians could well show fangs, as I think the have the pedigree and talent to hurt the Dips, unless Hayk can go for 30-40 in both games or get needed help from any number of his Dip squad brothers it could be a Kentucky loss too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 02, 2012, 08:24:25 PM
Gabriel et al, I will not say anything other than Will Gates is not hurt in any way. I will just leave it at that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on December 02, 2012, 07:17:27 PM
F&M will likely either lose at Translvania and/or at St. Mary's (if they get through both challenges this week unscathed), as they both seem likely candidates to exploit F&M sloppy plus at times turnover prone play. Anybody can lose on the road to most of the teams in the CC, Dips included. The games I would worry that are precarious are against Dickinson either home or way, as Devils seem to be quite strong. Also Dips could lose at the Mule Barn, Haverford and/or JHU easily.

I expect a bushwacking deep in Southern Maryland at St. Mary's as they usually play strong uptempo pressure hoops (should expose presumed weaknesses) and the trip/venue alone is worth 10-15 points for the home team. The Transylvanians could well show fangs, as I think the have the pedigree and talent to hurt the Dips, unless Hayk can go for 30-40 in both games or get needed help from any number of his Dip squad brothers it could be a Kentucky loss too.

  One of the St. Mary's bigs did not return this year, so they aren't as formidable as usual; still, it will take an effort to beat them down there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 02, 2012, 09:27:37 PM
 i am glad gates is not hurt. seems like the swat coach is a system guy and maybe feels gates doesn't run the system to his liking.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 03, 2012, 08:11:26 AM
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/27/ursinus-senior-ward-continues-to-reach-for-the-stars/

Interesting story about Jon Ward.  I've known Jon for 4 years----he is a terrific young man and will excel at whatever he chooses to do.  Isn't Division III great!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2012, 09:39:47 AM
Interesting article.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 04, 2012, 05:15:25 PM
The Ursinus Bears have played two top ten teams already in #3 Middlebury and #8 F&M.  The Bears lost to both teams by 5 points each in closely contested game.  Several Bears fans believe both teams are very good with the edge going to F&M due to superior defense and post play.  Middlebury has better offensive guard play and perimeter scoring.

Bears have lost four games so far to teams with a combined 19-2 record.  Tough early schedule I would say.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 05, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
gabriel
definitely some good challenges for ursinus pre-season that they did well with. they still don't have the winners mentality yet, understandable after several down years.i think they will have trouble with f&m (already have),dickinson and possibly muhlenberg. f&m with hayk, other size and porter (athletic, defender). dickinson they have tough matchups with inside with wixted and they dont match up well at the point either. mules have better guards but not much on the inside it seems.haverford got the bears pretty bad last year...that could be pretty even this year. swat is playing better and scoring alot of points. gettysburg seems a bit week but zurn is one of the best in the conference. if you can limit him, i think the bears will win. i think it will be a fight for the 4th and 5th spots in the playoffs once again. it is early.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 05, 2012, 11:36:52 AM
Centfan,

Agree with most of what you said.  Bears chances this year had a set back when they lost Reggie Kamara.  Last year he limited Hayk to 10 points in two games with his size and aggressive play.  6'9" 245 pounds of muscle is though to replace.  Ward and Janowski are not physical and that showed against Hayk a few days ago.  Regarding a winner's mentality, freshmen Draper, Wonderling and Norton, all have it and that seems to be rubbing off on the team----but, they are still freshmen.  With the loss of both Walker and Kamara from this year's sophomore class and with Trey Harry still recovering from a knee injury, our depth is not what it should be.  You may not have noticed, point guard Jesse Krasna is quietly have an excellent season.  Hopefully, as the season moves on, he won't have to dribble quite so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 05, 2012, 09:33:05 PM
F&M eked out a three point win over a tenacious Gettysburg.  Gettysburg played the best defense so far against F&M without being physical like F&M's previous opponents.  Gettysburg showed you can play defense without  intentionally mugging the opponent.  Gettysburg should/would have won the game with a better performance from the foul line.  Gettysburg was only 6 for 15 from the line, while surprisingly F&M was 13 for 15. Porter lead F&M's scoring with 19 points matched by Gettysburg's Zurin 19.(correction-Porter was only credited with 18)  Gyokchyan added 14 points including the key 3-pointer as time fan under 30 seconds.  Playing outstanding defense on the last shot, Salandra altered the shot selection causing the Gettysburg to double clutch before trying again only to have it blocked by Beckford at the buzzer. Both teams played great defense with Gettysburg playing exclusively a zone and F&M predominately man-to-man.
Salandra added 12 points, while most of the rest of Gettysburg's points came from the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bballgoat23 on December 06, 2012, 10:36:31 AM
Great game at Dickson College last night...Lots of fans jumping around great atmosphere. Good student turnout for DC the crazies were crazy but left unhappy...  Is there a more criticized player in the CC than Malique Killing... The lil mamba gets it done again. The Mules lookin tough... Is Hyak really this good? Is there a better freshman than Drapier...Should be a tight race through out the year...UC looking tough FM looking tough. GBerg hanging tough...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 06, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Killing receives a lot of attention because he's Muhlenberg's focal player: has the ball in his hands most of the time and shots a lot.  The type of player the crowd can identify against.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on December 06, 2012, 02:46:44 PM
Most CC teams, and for that matter, most ball teams in general, have a player that is the "focal point" offensively. But more so than the guards, the Bigs are even more "abused" physically, by far, because they are doubled and tripled on a regular, game by game basis even though they don't come close to the touches and shots taken that most backcourt "focal points" get and take. Every trip down court, every one, this is a reality and Bigs in general do not get the credit for having to absorb that physicality night in night out especially when it comes down to the powers that be that focus on "stats" as the be all end all of a basketball game performance. Are there exceptions, certainly, Mr. Iverson being one. A bias view for sure by me, a long retired big, but the absolute truth!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on December 06, 2012, 03:02:33 PM
coco is right, thats what makes officiating so important in basketball.  just how much abuse is a big man supposed to take, banging in the paint every night?  And for a schedule like what these guys have to play in the CC, teams that rely on big men are going to have it rougher in February than they do today. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: bballgoat23 on December 06, 2012, 04:53:33 PM
I agree with the two above points about big men getting fouled in the CC. There is alot of abuse down-low...but take a look at the way certain gaurds are officated in this leauge. its horrible...I dont want to receive a fine from this message board so ill reserve my comments about specific officials. Killing played great last night he gets beat up every game but so do a lot of gaurds in this leauge... With d1 conference realignment in full swing...who do we think the CC should pick up? any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 08, 2012, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on December 06, 2012, 03:02:33 PM
coco is right, thats what makes officiating so important in basketball.  just how much abuse is a big man supposed to take, banging in the paint every night?  And for a schedule like what these guys have to play in the CC, teams that rely on big men are going to have it rougher in February than they do today. 
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on December 06, 2012, 02:46:44 PM
the Bigs are even more "abused" physically, by far,
Every trip down court, every one, this is a reality and Bigs in general do not get the credit for having to absorb that physicality night in night out
A bias view for sure by me, a long retired big, but the absolute truth!

do we really see the CC as a place where bigs get "abused"? how many hard fouls have you seen? how many physical bigs are there even in the conference? i love the CC but do think we are watching a different conference. the guys definitely play hard but it really isn't a very charged, aggressive area in the paint.
...and a 25-30 game season, 2 games a week for the most part, doesn't seem overly challenging for an 18-24 year old body that is in shape.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 08, 2012, 04:59:48 PM
Great win today for Swarthmore at Gettsyburg! Not sure when the last time Swat beat them on the road but it was a big win for a program in need of wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 08, 2012, 05:56:09 PM
watch out, swat is coming. hopkins, swat and dickinson win games with team play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on December 08, 2012, 08:53:02 PM
"do we really see the CC as a place where bigs get "abused"? how many hard fouls have you seen? how many physical bigs are there even in the conference? i love the CC but do think we are watching a different conference. the guys definitely play hard but it really isn't a very charged, aggressive area in the paint."

I have to disagree with the above comment.  I have been following F & M since 1989.  It is my opinion that the team plays hard D, by the rules. If they didn't, the key players would be in foul trouble every game.  You'd have to be pretty deep to survive that year after year.   But, there are 3 gyms in the region where you know it will be a wrestling match every time they meet, and I will not name them.  However, that's when you see the guys in foul trouble....  These guys like Hayk and Early, McNally, Juskin, Detz, and more, were often hammered in the paint.  One Big that was pretty immovable though was Ed Plakens.  Not sure how many people on this thread remember him, but he was a brick wall.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 08, 2012, 11:53:36 PM
diplomatjunkie,
i have been watching closely only since 2007, visiting all the CC gyms. perhaps it was different years ago but i can't remember seeing guys getting hammered or being intimidated or "abused" down low. maybe i have seen a harder foul here and there but no consistently aggressive play in the paint.i have never seen a flagrant foul called or contested dunk attempts, for example. i have seen certain guys with a few basic post moves or superior strength dominate, but not through aggression or anything close to abuse.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 09, 2012, 12:24:59 AM
dickinson, playing good team ball, beat ursinus today. wixted once again dominated in the paint with 31. dickinson went 27 for 27 from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 09, 2012, 01:08:18 PM
Dickinson played a great game shooting 50 percent from the field and 100 percent (27 for 27) from the line.
Ursinus played very well in the second half after being down by 15 at the break.  Ward led the comeback in the second half until he fouled out with 7 minutes to play.  Wixted is a load, no doubt about that. 

Ursinus needs to play better in the opening minutes---- they have been playing from behind in most games.  Coach Small played mostly zone in the second half and that proved to be effective.  The Bears actually closed to within one point with about 20 seconds on the clock.  Some poor decision making in the last minute of play cost them the win.  All in all----a terrific, hard fought game.  I am proud of my Bears---the never give up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on December 09, 2012, 05:34:50 PM
As we reach the CC break in action until early January I'll throw out some thoughts on how CC might play out.

I think that on any given night almost anyone can lose and the top 2 teams in the CC could have 4-6 losses and 9-9 has a chance to make the CC playoffs. Not the best for getting an at large bid this year.

This is my current order of finish:

1. Dickinson: Look the best balanced team (Wixted & Honig) inside and out
2-3. F&M: Best inside game on offense & defense. Guard play falls short. Hayk can't carry load all season.
2-3. Muhls: Mules balanced enough to get job done
4. Ursinus: Big frontline, excellent PG and monster freshman Draper who may be their best player
5. JHU: last spot goes to hard nosed well coach squad

Also-ran but generally tough outs: Haverford (will sneak in mix if any team falters), G-burg (better than record), SWAT, McDaniel & Washington (all can pull off upset at times)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 09, 2012, 08:17:19 PM
Quote from: diplomatjunkie on December 09, 2012, 05:34:50 PM
As we reach the CC break in action until early January I'll throw out some thoughts on how CC might play out.

I think that on any given night almost anyone can lose and the top 2 teams in the CC could have 4-6 losses and 9-9 has a chance to make the CC playoffs. Not the best for getting an at large bid this year.

This is my current order of finish:

1. Dickinson: Look the best balanced team (Wixted & Honig) inside and out
2-3. F&M: Best inside game on offense & defense. Guard play falls short. Hayk can't carry load all season.
2-3. Muhls: Mules balanced enough to get job done
4. Ursinus: Big frontline, excellent PG and monster freshman Draper who may be their best player
5. JHU: last spot goes to hard nosed well coach squad

Also-ran but generally tough outs: Haverford (will sneak in mix if any team falters), G-burg (better than record), SWAT, McDaniel & Washington (all can pull off upset at times)

junkie,

Sounds good. Can't fault your analysis.  League is well balanced.  As a Bears fan, wish Kamara could play and, I think, that would make a difference because Ursinus could deal with Hayk and Wiksted.
But----that's the way it goes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 09, 2012, 11:23:41 PM
gabriel,
i agree that if kamara played the bears could limit hayk, but i don't know if it would stop wixted.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 09, 2012, 11:35:23 PM
diplonmatjunkie,
i agree that dickinson and f&m are top 2, and  the mules probably third. after that i am unsure. i would put hopkins, ursinus, swarthmore, haverford in the same group with gettysburg, mcdaniel and washington at the bottom. swarthmore...they put up points and the new coach has them playing hard and well now, running davidson sets. haverford has a strong pair in cohen and baker with some role players that can do some damage. hopkins plays good D and plays together and ursinus has size, and strong freshmen in draper and wonderling (good defender). gettysburg doesn't have great chemistry though zurn might be the best all round player in the conference. dickinson has the best duo in wixted and honig.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 13, 2012, 07:37:04 AM
swat wins another game last night and puts up 81 points with several players in double figures again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 17, 2012, 06:31:13 PM
Tough holiday tournaments coming up for F&M. If Dips win 3 out of four maybe they are as good as a ranking in the top 15-18.
However that may not happen. I wasn't originally thinking that Mt. St. Joseph would be so good and maybe Transy isn't the juggernaut all expected. A summary anyway.

Don Lane Classic:
1. Get initially a tough MSJ who's unbeaten in their conference. They ony have a short jaunt from Cincy to Lexington, but Dips may be suffering from 10+ hour bus ride.
2. Next night they face the always tough & talented Transy Pioneers in their gym. Dips likely to lose at least one of these. (Shame they can't play other team in KY tourney,the former Muhlenberg coach Steve Moore's Wooster Scots (would love to see that contest someday).

New Year Tournament:
1.Dips start off with a traditionally strong  Plattsburg team (7-2 I think)
2. Then either the CAC co-favorite Salisbury (impressive 8-1 and on Showcase vs #1 VA Wesleyan tonight) or Eastern Conn. (6-2) highly regarded LEC invader.
Again Dips could lose any of these games and will if they don't get better and balanced production than last few games showed.

Another likely L looms down at nationally ranked St. Mary's on 1/7/13, if Dips get by SWAT in Lancaster on 1/5/13.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2012, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on December 17, 2012, 06:31:13 PM
Tough holiday tournaments coming up for F&M. If Dips win 3 out of four maybe they are as good as a ranking in the top 15-18.
However that may not happen. I wasn't originally thinking that Mt. St. Joseph would be so good and maybe Transy isn't the juggernaut all expected. A summary anyway.

Don Lane Classic:
1. Get initially a tough MSJ who's unbeaten in their conference. They ony have a short jaunt from Cincy to Lexington, but Dips may be suffering from 10+ hour bus ride.

Whenever I hear those bold words, a red flag goes up. If you have to convince us that a team is tough, then probably they aren't.

Which of these seasons is MSJ the tough MSJ?

2012-13 (5-3, 4-0 HCAC)
2011-12 (7-18, 3-15 HCAC)
2010-11 (7-18, 5-13 HCAC)
2009-10 (10-14, 5-11 HCAC)
2008-09 (6-19, 2-14 HCAC)
2007-08 (9-16, 3-13 HCAC)
2006-07 (13-12, 9-7 HCAC)

The four HCAC teams MSJ has beaten are a combined 11-25, 3-13 HCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 17, 2012, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on December 17, 2012, 06:31:13 PM
Tough holiday tournaments coming up for F&M. If Dips win 3 out of four maybe they are as good as a ranking in the top 15-18.
However that may not happen. I wasn't originally thinking that Mt. St. Joseph would be so good and maybe Transy isn't the juggernaut all expected. A summary anyway.

Don Lane Classic:
1. Get initially a tough MSJ who's unbeaten in their conference. They ony have a short jaunt from Cincy to Lexington, but Dips may be suffering from 10+ hour bus ride.
2. Next night they face the always tough & talented Transy Pioneers in their gym. Dips likely to lose at least one of these. (Shame they can't play other team in KY tourney,the former Muhlenberg coach Steve Moore's Wooster Scots (would love to see that contest someday).

New Year Tournament:
1.Dips start off with a traditionally strong  Plattsburg team (7-2 I think)
2. Then either the CAC co-favorite Salisbury (impressive 8-1 and on Showcase vs #1 VA Wesleyan tonight) or Eastern Conn. (6-2) highly regarded LEC invader.
Again Dips could lose any of these games and will if they don't get better and balanced production than last few games showed.

Another likely L looms down at nationally ranked St. Mary's on 1/7/13, if Dips get by SWAT in Lancaster on 1/5/13.

I believe the point guard position is finally going to hurt the Dips on this trip. Brewer is a perfect reserve PG -- they need more production out of the starter than he's giving them. I don't know when Rogo is supposed to return (or if he's even the answer at PG). The next few weeks will be a good test. I'm glad they're playing some good teams before the heart of CC play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 17, 2012, 11:22:49 PM
Pat, why the attack? Perhaps MSJ is ordinary or less, I thought they would be a soft oponent when I saw the schedule, but they were winning most of their games and outperforming my expectations. I notice you didn't mention any of the other tournament opponents, does that mean you agree Transy, Plattsburg, Salisbury (who just beat VA Wes on the road) or ECSU are challenging opponents. I don't like things taken out of context to make it look like I am making a point that I was not. MSJ is local and the traveling team may get a challange if they also take a team lightly. They are the team F&M has the best chance to beat in the tourneys, but there are no guarantees. I should have called MSG better than expected or better than usual. But why an attack like I have an agenda, I'm just trying encourage CC conversation during this slow period on the board.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2012, 12:05:44 AM
I don't think it's taking out of context. I included everything you said about MSJ, so that's all the context you provided. Then I added my own.

I don't disagree with the others, but I always see red flags whenever someone tries to sell a team by calling them "a tough" -- we all hear the coachspeak. Doesn't mean we should tolerate it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2012, 08:33:26 AM
Let's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 18, 2012, 09:27:51 AM
r.w.
i agree that f&m does not have a strong point guard this year. rogo remains an unknown as he hasn't played that much, but so far he  has 1 assist and 9 turnovers. that could be first few games of freshman jitters or an indication that he needs more time to develop to play the position.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2012, 11:06:14 AM
Currently Rogo is recovering from a stress fracture.  He was getting an MRI, but I haven't heard any results. Braham is having his ACL surgery this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2012, 11:09:20 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2012, 08:33:26 AM
Let's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

What was disrespectful toward D.B.?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on December 18, 2012, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on December 17, 2012, 06:31:13 PM

Don Lane Classic:
1. Get initially a tough MSJ who's unbeaten in their conference. They ony have a short jaunt from Cincy to Lexington, but Dips may be suffering from 10+ hour bus ride.

Looks to me like DB made a point and tried to use evidence to defend said point.  Not really sure if that warranted being called out in such a way.  Should be interesting game either way.  Sadly my laptop broke so i wont be able to catch any online feed (if there is any).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2012, 02:41:36 PM
I guess I look at it as also making a point and using evidence to defend it. Just because it's a disagreement doesn't mean it's personal, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on December 18, 2012, 07:58:11 PM
Perhaps it was your phrasing, like bold words and red flags.  Maybe you could have simply stated that you disagree with D.B.'s assessment that MSJ is tough.....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on December 18, 2012, 08:00:18 PM
Can anyone view the F & M game?  The feed keeps saying it hasn't started, yet.  I thought there was a 7:30 start.....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2012, 08:31:30 PM
Still can't see the game.  It just froze.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 18, 2012, 08:36:40 PM
Video was OK for a while, then went off. Live stats seems to be working:

http://www.sidearmstats.com/transy/mbball/scoreboard.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2012, 09:38:15 PM
Second half video worked except for a short delay.
Hot shooting from beyond the arc by Mt. St. Joseph almost kills F&M.
Figueroa has the first key game of his career.
Gyokchyan comes alive in the second half after a scoreless first half.
Early carries the team for the first half.
David Mann lights up the board for Mt. St. Joseph with 31 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 18, 2012, 09:56:45 PM
RS, I noticed that Beckford didn't play the second half. Maybe he suffered an injury while the video was out? Figueroa looked good, and F&M needed him as MSJ shot 12-23 beyond the arc.

Didn't see the first game, but Transy has to be feeling good after knocking off Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2012, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: diplomatjunkie on December 18, 2012, 07:58:11 PM
Perhaps it was your phrasing, like bold words and red flags.  Maybe you could have simply stated that you disagree with D.B.'s assessment that MSJ is tough.....

You guys get really worked up over six bolded characters in about 7-point type. Sheesh.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 19, 2012, 07:33:38 AM
a tough crowd on here pat...can make a man feel alone sometimes.
looks like dickinson met a tough merchant marine team...reed buck handled the paint and dickinson,essentially winning due to 2 main guys, is stopped when both were limited and defended.
f&m squeaks by again...i see some losses in their future.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2012, 11:21:16 AM
I am surprised, I think, but the Dickinson result. I thought they were a tough team in the Centennial this year, but to lose to Merchant Marine is a surprise. That being said, USMMA has been a little topsy-turvy this season. Bad losses to Goucher and Moravian stand out, but they have also played tough and beaten teams like Scranton on the road...

Not sure how I read into this game from the Dickinson point of view.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on December 19, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
not sure how surprised I can be by a December game.  I mean think about it, for these kids it is the last day before they get to go home for Christmas.  Assuming theyre travelling with the team, its a 5 hour ride back to Carlisle.  I liken it to a business trip, on Friday i'm always less focused than on Tuesday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on December 19, 2012, 05:16:20 PM
Morgan Lee is starting for F & M instead of Beckford....was he injured last night, as suggested in a previous post?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 19, 2012, 05:47:03 PM
Threes, oh, my.
Transy 8 for 15
I don't know if Beckford is injured, but he hasn't played at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on December 19, 2012, 06:47:57 PM
Wow, such lopsided foul calls in the second half.  15 for F & M and 9 for Transy.  Porter fouled out. Lee with 4 fouls most of the second half.  Brewer with 4, as well.  So, disappointing.

Hayk wasn't on the court as much as usual, was he sick?

I hope with a two week break, everyone is off the injured list and ready to play again......
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 19, 2012, 07:15:35 PM
F&M missed Beckford's defense on the perimeter, but I don't think that was the difference -- Transylvania was simply better tonight. In each half, F&M seemed ready to take control of the game and the Pioneers had an answer. Good experience on the road for the Dips in advance of several difficult games early in the new year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 20, 2012, 12:42:51 AM
when ihave seen merchant marine in the past they were not skilled but they play very hard, as we would guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 21, 2012, 11:42:42 PM
Merry Christmas everyone!! Enjoy the holidays and see you back in conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 02, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
Wow!  26 points for Hayk at the half for F & M!  Go Hayk!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 02, 2013, 09:56:57 PM
Carreer high for Hayk tonight, 40 points!!!    He was really dropping those 3's.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 02, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
F&M held on to win in a turnover fest.  Ugly ball handling by both sides.   The Hayk Gyokchyan Show saved the night as he scored 40.
Standard and poor's rating is F&M's motto at the foul line.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 03, 2013, 12:00:05 AM
Year after year, F & M is weak at the free throw line.  Sadly, it's become expected. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 03, 2013, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: diplomatjunkie on January 03, 2013, 12:00:05 AM
Year after year, F & M is weak at the free throw line.  Sadly, it's become expected.

reality is that every D3 team is going to have weaknesses.  if the guys didnt have weaknesses, they would be playing at a higher level.  So it appears as an outsider that Coach Robinson recruits players that fit his vision of defensive basketball.  So a kid who has a strength at 3-point shooting might not come to F&M because he knows in advance his skill set isnt necessarily valued the way it might be in a different system.  Those kids are also the ones that hit FT's. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 03, 2013, 08:14:11 PM
You have a valid point, Tinsoldier.  But, to be consistently off in free throws, and sometimes even costing yourelf a win because you lack solid free throw shooting should dictate free throw drills during practice.  The assistant coaches should be on top of these guys shooting 100 free throws at every opportunity. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
After a one-man performance last night, F&M put together a team effort as Porter and Salandra scored 12 points each and Beckford and Brewer had 11 each.
Chris Robitaille(Eastern Connecticut) put had a defensive display as he held Hayk  to 4 points and scored 17 of his own.
Sloppy play over the last few minutes allowed EC to close the 10 point gap to 4 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 05, 2013, 09:01:18 PM
F&M played a very good game today against Swarthmore. Hayk is very tough to handle down low. I thought is was a pretty good game to watch and seemed to be closer than the score ended up. I would love to hear from anyone who was there today as I watched on the computer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 05, 2013, 09:30:40 PM
Hayk played another unconscious game.  It seemed that everything he tried worked.  Hayk received support from several other team members--Porter(8), Brewer(9), Early(10) and Lee(13).  Three point shooting was pathetic by both teams, but numerous 3's were contested.  F&M played a tight defense including 5 blocks.  F&M also dominated the boards.
Gates had a great game--working himself free for numerous good shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 06, 2013, 09:56:34 AM
Ursinus pulls out a double overtime win over Hopkins despite poor shooting, particularly at the foul line and from 3. Dickinson gets upset handily by Haverford. Dickinson has to get other players involved somehow to keep winning as their two leaders (who had good but unspectacular games) were not enough to hold off the Fords, who had 5 guys in double figures, shared the ball and had a strong home game. Swat gets handled by F&M, who dominated in the paint all game.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 06, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
Ursinus/JHU game yesterday was a nail biter.  JHU led most of the game----by as much as 11 points in the first half and by 7 points late in the game when they elected to sit on the ball way too early.  As has been the case all year, the Bears play from behind but never quit and have the ability to rally.  Ursinus made their own job more difficult by shooting so poorly from the field (Draper and Ward missed several "bunnies") and from the foul line---55% on 15 for 27 shooting.  Draper hit only 8 of 15.  Ursinus started two freshman---Draper and Wonderling and they  made offensive mistakes but played terrific defense--particularly in the second half.

Goldfarb Gym seems to bring out the worst in officials.  Fouls were about even and both teams had key players foul out---Ward and Krasna for Ursinus and Bugarinovic and Hammer for JHU.  If you want to watch an example of how not to officate a game, watch the video of this game, particularly the second half.

The JHU broadcast team of Tim McCarty and his partner did a terrific job broadcasting the game.  Glad McCarty graduated as he had a career game against Ursinus last year.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on January 06, 2013, 02:05:19 PM
I didn't see the Haverford game live, but looked at the video of yesterday's game (very hard to see though). The change in the second half was an offensive burst in which Haverford shot close to 60% (5/9 for 3s) and put up 53 points without Cam Baker playing. They outscored Dickinson 24-2 in one stretch). The 77 is the most scored against Dickinson all year. Haverford defended well (mostly  1-2-2 and maybe some 1-3-1 zone) and rebounded well forcing turnovers, but that was true in the first half also. The question is whether this is a sign of more things to come or an outlier (like the second Ursinus game last year).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 07, 2013, 09:36:04 AM
Ridiculous stretch for F&M starts tonight.  Seven games in twenty days, six on the road, including a game at Muhlenburg where they never win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2013, 08:13:39 PM
Horrendous first half at St. Mary's--five for twenty from the field.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 07, 2013, 08:34:49 PM
Why doesn't SMC have video?!?!?!?!??!?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2013, 08:44:17 PM
Spirited comeback-but not enough--15 for 34 in the second half.
Gyokchyan only 3 points.
Twenty-three point half-time lead cut to 4 during the last 2 minutes.
Eight of St. Mary's final 10 points come from the foul line.
Ed Early finishes with 20 points.
Two for sixteen on threes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2013, 08:44:54 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on January 07, 2013, 08:34:49 PM
Why doesn't SMC have video?!?!?!?!??!?
Probably no students on campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2013, 08:53:31 PM
Gyokchyan scoring last 4 games-- 40-4-37-3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 08, 2013, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2013, 08:53:31 PM
Gyokchyan scoring last 4 games-- 40-4-37-3

No wonder he drives GRob crazy!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 11:29:59 AM
Admittedly, that has been my biggest concern for him and for F&M... he seems so inconsistent. Just when I take note of his performances, he disappears. He kind of did in the post-season last year. F&M is probably going to live and die by his performances or lack of ones in the post-season this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 08, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 11:29:59 AM
Admittedly, that has been my biggest concern for him and for F&M... he seems so inconsistent. Just when I take note of his performances, he disappears. He kind of did in the post-season last year. F&M is probably going to live and die by his performances or lack of ones in the post-season this season.
F&M basketball is always about strategy.  I would look to see how many shots Hayk took in those games, and lo and behold he wasnt taking a lot of shots.  The offense clearly wasnt running through him last night, for whatever reason (only two shots in the paint in the first half).  It also wasnt running through him in the EConn game, a win.  Once i see the team this week i'll have a better feel as to whether or not the term "disappearing" is appropriate
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 05:17:42 PM
Well... my point would be you can't ignore the inside game... so if the offense isn't running through him, then he does disappear from the game plan or the direction. Also, do we know he isn't taking a lot of shots because the game plan or because he is in foul trouble or he doesn't have a lot of looks? If he is a legitimate All-American as his pre-season nod would suggest... disappearing while planned or not planned would be a problem. Further more, if he isn't taking a lot of shots then he isn't a factor. If he is taking a lot of shots and missing - then he didn't disappear from the game, he simply didn't hit shots. I think not taking a lot of shots is a stronger example of disappearing then taking a ton and not making any.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 08, 2013, 05:29:08 PM
My observation over the past four years is that if you bang him around he loses his fire.  If you let him run free and get into a rythm, he'll kill you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 08, 2013, 11:02:26 PM
gabriel,
i was thinking the same thing....to go from 40 to 4 seems as if he is alowed free reing in the paint on one night and getting bodied on the other. he is tall but my guess is that if there are strong bigs in the paint that play physically and don't foul alot, maybe he doesn't show up. were the bigs in the games he scored 4 strong, athletic, physical?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2013, 11:03:53 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2013, 05:17:42 PM
Well... my point would be you can't ignore the inside game... so if the offense isn't running through him, then he does disappear from the game plan or the direction. Also, do we know he isn't taking a lot of shots because the game plan or because he is in foul trouble or he doesn't have a lot of looks? If he is a legitimate All-American as his pre-season nod would suggest... disappearing while planned or not planned would be a problem. Further more, if he isn't taking a lot of shots then he isn't a factor. If he is taking a lot of shots and missing - then he didn't disappear from the game, he simply didn't hit shots. I think not taking a lot of shots is a stronger example of disappearing then taking a ton and not making any.

Hard for us to know from outside whether this is because of the game plan, or the opposing team's game plan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 09, 2013, 11:41:05 AM
anybody see the gettysburg/ursinus game? the conference is bunched up in the middle, as usual. it seems again, maybe more than usual, that any team can beat any other on a given night. i am interested to see what happens with the f&m/muhlenberg game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 09, 2013, 05:09:54 PM
Centfan,

I watched the second half of the Ursinus/Gettysburg game on line.  Bears led by 6 (33-27) at the break and were playing well.  The second half can best be described as a pathetic performance by the Bears.  They couldn't do anything right offensively and suddenly forgot how to defend back door cuts.  Made Brooks look like an All American.  Wonderling held Zurn in check most of the game---but he got away for a couple of back door layups at the end (8 points total). The Bears defense was decent until the last quarter when Getty pulled ahead executing their back door Princeton offense.  Getty shot 25-48 (52%) from the field but only because many shots were layups.  The were 0 for 8 from three and only 11 for 22 from the line. 

Ward played only 21 minutes----foul trouble again---while scoring only 9 points.  This seems to be the case every game lately.  Freshman Mark Wonderling was the Bears best player last night.  Derek Brooks played very well for Getty.  A home loss against a team they should have beaten doesn't bode well for their playoff hopes.  A couple of good freshmen but right now but the Bears are not talented enough to be a force.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 09, 2013, 10:48:52 PM
Thanks Gabriel for the in depth report. Wonderling seems like he loves to play "D"...Guarding Zurn is not easy. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 10, 2013, 11:02:05 PM
Nail biter tonight with F & M vs. Muhlenberg, but F & M held on.  The first half of the game was kind of surreal, with hardly any fouls called, and F & M had a significant lead.  It started in the second half, M'berg had the game within 3 points.  G. Rob looked angry with the defense in the second half, and the offense went cold for a little while, unable to make any shots.  There was some pressing from M'berg, but M'berg looked a little worse for the wear.  Two players were holding their sides during the play, and one was cramping, my guess from exertion. 

I don't think the box score reflects the game Brewer had tonight.  He made some back door plays, and chased down Killing a big chunk of the evening.   The bigs from M'berg were pushing and shoving all night, glad to see F & M kept their cool.  Hayk took an elbow to the nose, and then was pushed to the floor.  I must have missed something, because the foul was on Hayk, yet his opponent stormed down the court, clearly angry.  Hayk took the man-handling well, with a 25 point game, but his opponent fouled out shortly after. 

I am glad I made the trip to see this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 10, 2013, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: diplomatjunkie on January 10, 2013, 11:02:05 PM
I don't think the box score reflects the game Brewer had tonight.  He made some back door plays, and chased down Killing a big chunk of the evening. 
I was watching the broadcast online, and one of the rare times the ball was in the screen, I saw one of those back door plays and it was just kind of What just happenedish?

Also now
Gyokchyan scoring last 5 games-- 40-4-37-3-25
at least the next one is at winless Washington....
and he's only 3 away from 1,000.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 10, 2013, 11:49:52 PM
Yes, it was.  M'berg left him alone at the 3 point line and he dropped a 3 pointer, in similar manner.  At the end of the game, Brewer gave the signal that he was taking it up the middle, and M'berg had him double teamed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 11, 2013, 08:59:14 AM
Fun game last night at the Mule barn.  As i thought, any criticism of Hayk "disappearing" is unfair.  If stat sheets told stories, i'd be winning at 90% clips in sports betting.  but as always there are more to the numbers.  The team around Hayk just isnt constructed to allow him to freelance.  Thus he's pigeond holed into a true forward position down low, and good opponents will play zone in an attempt to neutralize him.  Finally last night, when he was needed most, he hit two dagger 3's to ice the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 11, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Now as for the team as a whole, there is a lot to like about this F&M team.  They seem to be well-coached, smart players whose defense is going to cause fits for anyone they face.  It would be unfair for me to compare this team to any of the past four years.  With Milligan, F&M pretty much had the best player on the floor of any game they played the last two season.  And as an athletic point, the game ran through him.  Max has the unenviable task of replacing him, but i like the way he plays.  Good distributor, finds the backdoor cuts well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2013, 10:50:32 AM
It seems like Killing creates a lot of contact hoping the fouls get called his way.  He's extremely quick with the dribble, and the team creates a lot of picks for him to scoot around.  He's a very talented scorer but seems to exaggerate injuries every time I see him play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2013, 07:14:17 PM
Disappointing performance by F&M.  The team showed little intensity and little interest.  The Shoremen played like this was the game of the year.
A lot of questionable calls and non-calls went Washington's way, but with more effort from F&M it shouldn't have matter.  Lee looked like the only player intent upon playing aggressively.  F&M dominated the boards 32-20, had a few more turnovers(20-14), and less steals(9-6).  F&M seemed lethargic getting up and down the court.  McShane played well for the Shoremen, and Poarch kept F&M's defense running all over the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 13, 2013, 09:27:41 AM
I am sorry to hear your assessment, Reserved Seat.  I missed the game, and was wondering how they lost to a team that hasn't won a game.  How disappointing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 14, 2013, 12:38:56 PM
After reading Saturday's headline, i have to wonder if D3hoops.com is more about the personal grudges of the site's writers than it is about the student athlete.  No headline should read F&M falls to winless team.  It is insulting to Washington College, plain and simple.  If you want to say Winless Washington upsets F&M, sobeit.  Its a big story that deserves to be mentioned on the site's homepage.  But that headline completely discounts the work of the Shoremen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2013, 01:11:18 PM
Well, unfortunately in this case for F&M fans, F&M is the more recognizable team and the more surprising part of the story. Usually being more recognizable is a positive, just not this time.

Also, just from a layout standpoint, the headline you suggest would be a challenge because Winless and Washington would have to be on separate lines because of the space available. Then I would really want to throw in "College" because there are two "Washington" schools in Division III alone. We're locked in by space and the headline size is fixed, but also, F&M losing is more notable than Washington College getting its first win, with all apologies to Washington College.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 15, 2013, 12:29:59 AM
I agree that mentioning Washington in the title of the article would have been  better.
I am not sure it is big news though. F&M has lost several out of conference games and has won 5 games in the conference by 5 or less points. They are not a dominant or feared team this year. I think they need more from their several role players. It will be interesting to see what happens as the season moves forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 15, 2013, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: centfan on January 15, 2013, 12:29:59 AM
I agree that mentioning Washington in the title of the article would have been  better.
I am not sure it is big news though. F&M has lost several out of conference games and has won 5 games in the conference by 5 or less points. They are not a dominant or feared team this year. I think they need more from their several role players. It will be interesting to see what happens as the season moves forward.
The novelty of a winless team beating a ranked team (deserving or otherwise), is news.  But the novelty has two sides, and it is always better to be positive than negative
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 15, 2013, 10:57:03 AM
A positive note on a Lancaster newspaper article about F&M great Chris Finch. Article link is left below.

http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/803376_Franklin---Marshall-grad-Finch-building-for-the-future.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 15, 2013, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 15, 2013, 10:57:03 AM
A positive note on a Lancaster newspaper article about F&M great Chris Finch. Article link is left below.

http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/803376_Franklin---Marshall-grad-Finch-building-for-the-future.html

Thanks for sharing that +1.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 16, 2013, 04:02:11 PM

http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130110oyn9o2

A good article on Ursinus Assistant Coach Dennis Stanton and his coming induction into the Philadelphia Small College Basketball Hall of Fame.  Dennis has never been one to talk about himself.  In fact, Mark Wonderling---a current freshman starter for the Bears played for Dennis for two years in high school.  Neither he nor his parents knew anything about Dennis' accomplishments nor did they know that Dennis' #20 has been retired and hangs from the rafters until fans pointed it out.
A terrific young man who still holds some CC and Ursinus records.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 16, 2013, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 16, 2013, 04:02:11 PM

http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130110oyn9o2

A good article on Ursinus Assistant Coach Dennis Stanton and his coming induction into the Philadelphia Small College Basketball Hall of Fame.  Dennis has never been one to talk about himself.  In fact, Mark Wonderling---a current freshman starter for the Bears played for Dennis for two years in high school.  Neither he nor his parents knew anything about Dennis' accomplishments nor did they know that Dennis' #20 has been retired and hangs from the rafters until fans pointed it out.
A terrific young man who still holds some CC and Ursinus records.

Are we really almost at the tenth anniversary of the FM/Ursinus title game where Stanton hit the tying shot at the buzzer?  I've never been to another sporting event with that passion and energy.  Even though F&M lost, those two hours defined the greatness of sports.  I've been to professional game 7s that didnt match the electricity in the gym that day.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2013, 07:39:02 PM
I think I was on the call of that game... it was a great atmosphere and a terrific game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 16, 2013, 08:58:33 PM
Wow!  Tough game for F & M in double OT.  I think it was Morgan Lee that saved the night!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2013, 10:56:56 PM
Exciting game in Baltimore.  Double overtime.  Balanced scoring by both teams.  Both teams almost had five players each with double figures in scoring.
F&M  had Porter with 18, Lee with 17, Early with 14, Gyokchyn with 13, and Salandra with 8.  F&M lead the rebounding with a 40-25 margin. Three point shooting by Hopkins almost sank F&M.  Hopkins 6-8  F&M 0-11
Brewer was in foul trouble most of the game and was unavailable for overtime after fouling out, having only played 24 minutes.  Phelps came off the bench to play 20 minutes as Rogo and Figueroa sat on the bench in dress clothes due to injuries.
Lee came up big in overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 17, 2013, 03:31:34 PM
What happened to Figueroa?  Will he be back soon?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 18, 2013, 03:42:05 PM
Gabriel
I agree about Dennis Stanton...great person, player and example for the student athletes. I met him at a summer camp for kids in Delaware called Sports Challenge years ago where he and McGarvey were working with young athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2013, 03:53:46 PM
The only information I could get on Figueroa was that the injury is to the knee--no time frame given.

Update--sore shins- day-to-day
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 19, 2013, 11:15:35 PM
Looked like an easy win for F & M today.  Nice free throw shooting today by the Dips today!  Morgan Lee is developing into a key player.  I am making a starter prediction for next year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 20, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
Swat playing well but losing several close games. Ursinus struggled to beat them in overtime and did so on the continued strong play of their freshman Malik Draper. Gates went off for 30 plus. Lots of fouling and sloppy defensive play. Swat is better than their record. They can't seem to close out games. They play hard and compete in most games.
Hopkins continues to prove that defense wins games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 20, 2013, 09:42:55 PM
Just wanted to take the time to introduce myself to the boards.  Been trying to get on here for awhile and was able to finally figure it out and get approved.  Played at Ursinus earlier 2000's and still follow the Bears and Centennial Conference closely. Like to say Congrats to Coach Small getting #200 on Saturday vs. Swarthmore...well deserved!!!  Also, a key win for Ursinus after struggling through some games they probably should have won.  For whatever reason, Swarthmore has given Ursinus problems over the years, even during that final four run the Bears had, if i remember correctly, both games were fairly close.

Not too sure what to think about this years squad.  I don't think they can use the excuse of being young anymore when a majority of the guys have played significant minutes in the past...although it appears there best player this year is Draper who has the freedom to shoot whenever he wants on offense.  I really think they need to start getting more out of Ward inside and he needs to start imposing his will more on teams and demanding the ball inside.  Finally, there team defense must improve if they want to make a run here at the playoffs these last four weeks of the season.  Have to win all the home games and steal some others on the road...Usually the key to making the Centennial Playoffs each year.

Again, Glad to be on the boards....GO BEARS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 21, 2013, 09:59:21 AM
Hoopguru,
Welcome. I think the Bears have to play much better defense to win. Most teams are not loaded with offense, and I would include Ursinus in that. A few years ago Dickinson got much better by playing fundamentally more sound and by playing harder and together. Hopkins has done that and F&M is defensively oriented as well. Gettysburg is also playing better now as a team with Zurn as their solid leader. Muhlenberg, Ursinus and Haverford don't appear to be tight as a team, despite their different records. Mules rely on Killing too much to bail them out and Bears have started to rely on Draper. I also agree that the Bears need more from Ward. I think he needs more touches and needs to take more shots. The Bears have some of the best size in the conference and should be dominating more down low. As always, a couple of playoff spots are still up for grabs in the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 21, 2013, 10:05:12 AM
HoopGuru,
On the mark with your thoughts on the team, defense is very spotty and that is killing them in all these close losses, obvious with the Sat. win 95 to 90, (a defensive struggle).... And as far as Ward imposing his will, in order to do that he needs touches. Up until this year he has led not only the team but the entire conference each of his 3 previous years in shooting %, fouls committed against him and obviously foul shots attempted.. this year he has bounced back and forth between 3rd and 4th in ave. shots taken for the team. How can you have a player leading the conference in shooting % not getting touches, looks and shots.Comments have been made during multiple games by different commentators doing a Ursinus broadcast, asking out loud why aren't they getting him the ball inside. Also, he has been in foul trouble of late and thats a whole other issue to understand only if you have seen each of the Bears games personally this and the previous couple of years so I won't get into at this time... You are correct in accessing Draper, a very nice, talented young man, as the offensive leader right now, who indeed has been given the freedom to shoot at will. But, as an underclassman, you need to at times realize there are other guys on the floor with you that have a bit more college experience, that are indeed there to help this team win also. Should,as always, be a great home stretch to the playoffs. Go Bears!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 23, 2013, 10:44:38 AM
pretty much the biggest CC game of the year tonight in Calisle.  Should be a good one
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 23, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
Some frustrating feed coming out of the Red Devil Sports Network.  Commercials running during active play, many pop up ads...Is it possible to go to full screen with the image?  I have it in theater mode, so the window fills the screen, but not the actual image.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 23, 2013, 08:28:26 PM
Quote from: diplomatjunkie on January 23, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
Some frustrating feed coming out of the Red Devil Sports Network.  Commercials running during active play, many pop up ads...Is it possible to go to full screen with the image?  I have it in theater mode, so the window fills the screen, but not the actual image.

I can get it mostly full screen. If you just click the two arrows in the right bottom corner. The commercial are a great feature of Ustream.... It's not an F&M HD broadcast for sure.

and I guess Dickinson's broadcasters are never going to get Gyokchyan....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 23, 2013, 09:04:25 PM
"It's not an F&M HD broadcast for sure."


No kidding.  Can the camera go higher so we can see the game and not the back of the heads of the fans?

Where's Early?????
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 23, 2013, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: diplomatjunkie on January 23, 2013, 09:04:25 PM
No kidding.  Can the camera go higher so we can see the game and not the back of the heads of the fans?

Where's Early?????
I thought the back of heads was a great shot!!!   NOT!

I don't know about Early, but we needed him...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 23, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
With Early on crutches and wearing a walking boot and Hayk  and Salandra in foul trouble, F&M had few options for having any height in the game.
Salandra and Gyokchyan appeared to be obviously frustrated with some of the questionable call.  F&M only had 11 players suited including Rogo making his first appearance since before Christmas.  Honig dominated the first half with his outstanding guard play and shooting.  Wixted looked under the weather but he still managed to get 17 points mostly from the foul line.  Assists and rebounds for equal for both teams.  Dickinson outscored F&M by 9 points from the foul line.  Both teams struggled from three points land.  Brewer lead F&M's scoring.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 23, 2013, 11:17:09 PM
Way to go Brewer!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 24, 2013, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: njf1003 on January 23, 2013, 08:28:26 PM

and I guess Dickinson's broadcasters are never going to get Gyokchyan....

they completely botched his name last year too. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 24, 2013, 10:58:36 AM
Tough loss in collegeville last night.  Wasnt able to tune into the game at all but from reading the story about it giving up a 16 point lead at home in a very important game has got to be tough to take.  Some things that catch your attention from the box score are the 3 point attempts and FT's.  Seems like 26 three point attempts for a team shooting under 30% from there for the season is probably too much and might explain why the bears were not getting to the FT line as much as the mules, but again, I didnt see the game...Not too familiar with the entire Muhlenberg team so Bovino's stat line really jumps out to you with the dbl dbl and 17 rebounds.  Bottom line is that you have to find a way to win that game at home in late January...makes Saturday almost a must win for them at this point
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 24, 2013, 03:17:48 PM
Hoop guru,

It was a tough loss. Bears led by 16 in the first half, 4 at half and back to 11 in the 3rd quarter.
Mules never led until about 5 plus minutes to go.  Keys were defensive breakdowns in the second qtr-----16 point lead reduced to 4 at the break---poor rebounding by the Bears throughout----and very poor shot selection in the second half forcing too many threes.

Give Muhlenberg credit, they were physical and very aggressive.  Key for them was playing zone most of the game---Hargrove was in foul trouble---they packed it in negating Ward and Janowski in the second half and of course monster games by Bovino and Killing. Killing made the winning shot while falling down backwards.  They won the game at the line.  We really could have used Kamara and Harry for their defense and rebounding.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on January 24, 2013, 09:38:30 PM
Gabriel and Hoop Guru, coming down and throwing up 26 three point attempts, many without even a single pass offensively first will not produce a win against any team in this conference. Ward had only 7 shots again. Not because he was limited to it either. Foul trouble in the first half again, 3rd foul called in that half with 8 or 9 minutes left was a phantom call by the ref, Ward 3 feet away from play and was actually on Adams. If they are to make a push for the playoffs they need to play the inside out game with Janowski and Ward.
If they continue to not get the bigs touches they will continue to flounder. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 25, 2013, 12:15:11 AM
a couple of things i have noticed about ursinus...
a good, athletic guard seems to do extremely well against them, not just this year but for the past several years. killing did whatever he wanted and penetrated at will. he got to the line 14 times.
secondly, the bigs need to play more physically. they need to fight harder to get into position with a good passing angle and i believe then krasna would get them the ball. he has a pretty decent basketball IQ and i am sure knows that a layup is always the first priority.i have seen the hand go up alot with their bigs but often they haven't established great position, (it is more momentary), so it is left to Draper to score or Krasna to try and be creative. many bigs in the conference do not possess strong post moves and are not that comfortable playing with their backs to the basket. they face up pretty quickly and don't usually back guys down. from what i have seen, ursinus is part of that trend and does not command the paint with physical play. their bigs play more of a finesse game, which makes getting the ball down low that much more difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 26, 2013, 04:31:39 PM
Wow!   21 fouls for F & M today compared to 10 for Haverford.    18 of Haverford's points came from the free throw line..... 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2013, 07:24:23 PM
Despite playing a full-court press, Haverford was only whistled for 10 fouls; whereas, F&M was whistled for 21 fouls.  The officiating was very one sided.  F&M shot 2-3 from the foul line-Haverford 18-27. 
Haverford out-hustled F&M and equaled them with 36 rebounds.  F&M did a poor job of rebounding after foul shots.  Haverford corralled numerous missed foul shot giving them another opportunity at the basketball.
With 4 minutes to go, F&M took there first lead at 42-41, but failed to score from that point on. 
Cam Baker had a terrific shooting night hitting several well contested shots.
F&M will need to find a new identity now that Early is officially lost for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomatjunkie on January 26, 2013, 09:56:38 PM
Nooo!  Early is lost for the season!  How about Figeuroa?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 26, 2013, 11:07:32 PM
Haverford with a big win over F&M. Pretty even except the Fords got to the line a lot and F&M didn't. Baker shot 8 for 10 from the field for the fords..
Dickinson defeats Ursinus. Dickinson starters out rebounded Bears starters about 24 to 9 and won the point guard matchup.
Swat, Washington lose. muhlenberg loses to Hopkins.. Hopkins defense wins games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 27, 2013, 12:53:34 PM
After E&M only took 3 foul shots, I wonder what the Centennial record is for least number of foul shots taken in a game.
I found out that 58 foul shots taken is the record, but I could not find any listing for least taken.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 27, 2013, 07:07:12 PM
Reserved Seat,
The stats for foul shooting did seem uneven in the Haverford/F&M game. I only saw part of the game on video. Someone who was there said Haverford played a vey good defensive game and F&M was pressing a bit as they were not leading much and fouling alot. Were you there? I have a hard time seeng fouls on video.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 27, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
Yet another tough one for Ursinus on Saturday.  Not sure if they realize this yet but they do not have the same shooters on this years team that they have had in years past so going down and launching up 29 of them isn't going to work. Draper is not a 3 point shooter (5 attempts), Krasna is not a 3 point shooter (6 attempts) and neither is Adams (4 attempts). in conference play they are shooting 32%, 20% and 30% respectively. the other thing that stands out is how they got drilled on the boards. Ward has 2 rebounds in 29 minutes? Looking at the conference releases he has just 3 double doubles in now almost 4 years of playing, which is the same as Krasna and 1 behind Adams.  Seems like other elite bigs in the league are getting it done on both ends of the court so not sure why Ward hasnt been able to throughout his career.  They are really up against it these last 3 weeks with the next 3 on the road.  ONly good thing about Thursdays game is that they might be getting F&M at the right time.  Doesn't seem like they have played very well recently
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 27, 2013, 09:30:57 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on January 27, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
ONly good thing about Thursdays game is that they might be getting F&M at the right time.  Doesn't seem like they have played very well recently
But F&M is playing at home, and that's the only reason F&M has a chance. F&M is not playing well on the road at all.
Losing Early isn't good at all because Hayk and Jon really can't play the whole game, but with out those two in, they can't seem to get anything done.

Hopefully these two home games get them back on their winning ways as Dickinson is playing better down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 28, 2013, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: HoopGuru on January 27, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
Yet another tough one for Ursinus on Saturday.  Not sure if they realize this yet but they do not have the same shooters on this years team that they have had in years past so going down and launching up 29 of them isn't going to work. Draper is not a 3 point shooter (5 attempts), Krasna is not a 3 point shooter (6 attempts) and neither is Adams (4 attempts). in conference play they are shooting 32%, 20% and 30% respectively. the other thing that stands out is how they got drilled on the boards. Ward has 2 rebounds in 29 minutes? Looking at the conference releases he has just 3 double doubles in now almost 4 years of playing, which is the same as Krasna and 1 behind Adams.  Seems like other elite bigs in the league are getting it done on both ends of the court so not sure why Ward hasnt been able to throughout his career.  They are really up against it these last 3 weeks with the next 3 on the road.  ONly good thing about Thursdays game is that they might be getting F&M at the right time.  Doesn't seem like they have played very well recently
I agree with your thoughts. Ursinus hasn't had a reliable shooter since Hilton graduated. Draper seems much more of a "scorer" than a shooter. Throughout his career, Ward has been offensively (scoring) minded, takes shots he can make and gets to the line. Rebounding, defending and blocking shots have not been a big part of his game. He is 6'10 and Janowski is 6'8. It seems like they could do alot more to control play in the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 28, 2013, 09:38:36 AM
I'm really supposed to take seriously a game where F&M and Haverford have similar 2pt shooting stats 43 attempts for F&M vs 37 for Haverford, yet Haverford has 24 more FT attempts???  really???  Not watching the game that doesnt even pass the smell test.  Gary Duda, Alex O'Brian and Doug Hoffman shouldnt quit their day jobs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 28, 2013, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on January 28, 2013, 09:38:36 AM
I'm really supposed to take seriously a game where F&M and Haverford have similar 2pt shooting stats 43 attempts for F&M vs 37 for Haverford, yet Haverford has 24 more FT attempts???  really???  Not watching the game that doesnt even pass the smell test.  Gary Duda, Alex O'Brian and Doug Hoffman shouldnt quit their day jobs.
I would take it seriously. They beat Haverford by only 2 the first game at home. Fouls this past game were 21 to 10. First half was 7 for F&M and 6 for Fords (even). Second half was 14 for F&M and 4 for Haverford. Perhaps F&M was fouling alot in the second half and Haverford wasn't? Regardless, let's not blame a win or a loss on the refs and give Haverford credit for playing F&M tough twice this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2013, 11:45:40 AM
Watching the game court side, a lot of fouls were not called.  Haverford was playing a ball-hawking defense, slapping at the ball and not getting called for fouls.  Under the basketball, Salandra was shoved to the floor and no foul was called.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 28, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2013, 11:45:40 AM
Watching the game court side, a lot of fouls were not called.  Haverford was playing a ball-hawking defense, slapping at the ball and not getting called for fouls.  Under the basketball, Salandra was shoved to the floor and no foul was called.

That would be my guess.  And please know i'm not trying to slight the Haverford kids in anyway.  They play hard, and that is exactly the reason for my post.  Both sides have great student-athletes, and they deserve better than a game that poorly officiated.  As fans, we take whatever result we can get, but as players, you always want to earn your win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2013, 12:19:23 PM
Haverford definitely deserved to win.  They played with much more intensity, and F&M's shot selection was poor.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 28, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
thanks one tin and reserved for your thoughts about the f&m/haverford game. i agree that officials have to be within reason and do, at the very least, an acceptable job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 29, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
Ursinus' alumni game was on Saturday morning.  It was great talking to some of the alums that stayed for the game with Dickinson including Nick Shattuck, Remy Cousart, John Noonan, Dennis Stanton, Will Furey, Kevin McGarvey and Matt Brundage among others.  All are doing well.  The Bears could use some of that talent on the court this year.  I didn't watch the alumni game but obviously, they had a great time.  Remy was the MVP----although he was on the losing team.  Dennis Stanton didn't play much as he was recovering from the flu and Mike McGarvey (an assistant at Colgate) wasn't there, so there were more shots available for others.   

Talking with these young men, confirmed my observations about the Bears this year---they lack team chemistry and on-court leadership.  There is no Nick Shattuck, Remy Cousart, Mike McGarvey or Dennis Stanton to take over and pull the team together at crunch time.  I think the talent is there, but very dormant.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 29, 2013, 04:19:19 PM
Against my better judgment, i decided to give a first run of my efficiency model for D3 for the season.  the numbers are bleak for the Centennial.  the best team is F&M, currently at 94th in the nation.  Next on the list is Gettysburg at 127.  Dickinson is at 130, Muhl at 133 and JHU at 149.  We have 3 sub 300 teams (Swat, Haverford and Washington at 377).

Unless work, or anger over the Dips recent play changes my mood i'll try running this again at tournament time, as well as for the last five weeks of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2013, 05:39:35 PM
efficiency model?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on January 30, 2013, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2013, 05:39:35 PM
efficiency model?
Yeah, i try to run an efficiency model which calculates average number of possessions per game, then look at points scored and allowed on a per possession basis. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2013, 10:59:43 AM
Cool!  Is there any kind of number that correlates with winning?  For example, "if a team has X possessions per game more than it's opponent, than it is X percent more likely to win?"
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 31, 2013, 10:13:12 PM
ursinus struggled on the boards again vs. f&m:
salandra 12/hayk 7
ward 4/janowski 2
f&m took 9 more shots and got to the foul line alot more than ursinus
that was the difference...boards and fouls
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 31, 2013, 10:58:24 PM
Ursinus actually out rebounded F&M in the second half.

Moune and Rogo played really well for F&M today.

Muhl should be another test Sat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2013, 08:28:20 AM
F&M looked like a much better team than Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2013, 06:44:17 PM
F&M had two good games in a row.  Despite a very physical game from Muhlenberg,as usual, F&M was able to control the game after a 20-20 tie.  Gykchyan had an all-around good game with 28 points and 8 rebounds.  Muhlenberg did out rebound F&M, but F&M's tenacious defense caused the Mules to have 20 turnovers. The name of the game was DEFENSE.  Stavetski must have been trying to set a record by picking up 4 fouls during 7 minutes of play in the first half.  Between Staveski and the thuggish play of Forsman, again as usual, the game was physical.  Killing play a reasonable game offensively by scoring 18 picks, but seldom getting his teammates involved.  He's persistent to play with only scoring in mind affects the overall play of his team.  Porter did a great job defensively to keep Killing contained.  Rogo and Moune played well, but still show a need to grow.  Both should improve as they get more time.  Robinson goes for win 850 on Wednesday at Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2013, 07:36:14 PM
The Dips have won two key games this week, but I think Dickinson is in the driver's seat. F&M is too inconsistent to be a conference champion this year. Nice win over the Mules in front of a large crowd, but the Dips are a work in progress.

Big games Wednesday: F&M at Gettysburg, Dickinson at Mules. I see the Bullets knocking off the Dips and Dickinson getting a key win in Allentown. Killing is a fine scorer but seems uninterested in any other aspect of basketball.

Saw the F&M-Ursinus game on video Thursday night. What has happened in Collegeville? When Ward and Janowski came in as freshmen, an Ursinus friend of mine said this duo was going to lead the Bears to multiple CC titles and NCAA berths. They were hyped as recruits by the D3hoops twitter feed. I was impressed with both players the first time I saw them, but a few years later, they are a shell of what I expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2013, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2013, 07:36:14 PM
The Dips have won two key games this week, but I think Dickinson is in the driver's seat. F&M is too inconsistent to be a conference champion this year. Nice win over the Mules in front of a large crowd, but the Dips are a work in progress.

Big games Wednesday: F&M at Gettysburg, Dickinson at Mules. I see the Bullets knocking off the Dips and Dickinson getting a key win in Allentown. Killing is a fine scorer but seems uninterested in any other aspect of basketball.

Saw the F&M-Ursinus game on video Thursday night. What has happened in Collegeville? When Ward and Janowski came in as freshmen, an Ursinus friend of mine said this duo was going to lead the Bears to multiple CC titles and NCAA berths. They were hyped as recruits by the D3hoops twitter feed. I was impressed with both players the first time I saw them, but a few years later, they are a shell of what I expected.

We don't evaluate recruits ourselves, so any hyping would have just been us retweeting someone else's hyping. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 03, 2013, 11:47:46 AM
It's because both of the UC bigs are very soft.  You need more than just height and some offensive skill at this level.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: d3hoopsfan on February 03, 2013, 11:51:42 AM
It's because both of the UC bigs are very soft.  You need more than just height and some offensive skill at this level.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 03, 2013, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on February 02, 2013, 07:36:14 PM
The Dips have won two key games this week, but I think Dickinson is in the driver's seat. F&M is too inconsistent to be a conference champion this year. Nice win over the Mules in front of a large crowd, but the Dips are a work in progress.

Big games Wednesday: F&M at Gettysburg, Dickinson at Mules. I see the Bullets knocking off the Dips and Dickinson getting a key win in Allentown. Killing is a fine scorer but seems uninterested in any other aspect of basketball.

Saw the F&M-Ursinus game on video Thursday night. What has happened in Collegeville? When Ward and Janowski came in as freshmen, an Ursinus friend of mine said this duo was going to lead the Bears to multiple CC titles and NCAA berths. They were hyped as recruits by the D3hoops twitter feed. I was impressed with both players the first time I saw them, but a few years later, they are a shell of what I expected.

r.w.,

Speaking for most Ursinus fans, we all thought the Bears would be terrific for the next four years when Ward, Janowski and Donahue were recruited.  All three started as freshmen in 2009-10.
No one is more surprised than us at the dismal performance the last two years.  Fact is, in the four years to date, Ursinus is 43-54 overall and 33-36 in the CC. The first year, 2009-2010, the team included Remy Cousart, Matt Hilton and Keith Page----all scorers and very good players and they went 15-11.  Matt Hilton played on the 2010-2011 team as well and the went 12-13.   

FYI, scoring averages for the three players over their careers at Ursinus:
                 2010    2011     2012    2013 (YTD)
Ward           13.7     19.6     16.0     12.7   
Janowski        8.1      8.6       4.1      8.7
Donahue        6.3      7.4       6.9      4.5   

Obviously, their scoring production has not improved.  Is this because the supporting cast is not as good-----or because the players themselves did not work hard enough to improve their games----or because opponents are packing in their defenses----or all of the above and some other reason(s)?

I do know that, fundamentally, to play a post position you first have to carve out space for yourself to receive the ball----then you have to catch the ball.  You catch and look, pivot and swing the ball around low, head up ready to pass, dribble or shoot.  Our forwards don't seem to do these things well or at all and are way too easily defended.                       
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 03, 2013, 04:17:03 PM
I agree on the remarks about Ursinus' forwards.  They dont appear to play very tough or physical, which is something you need to have, especially in the CC, and I think this shows from the lack of rebounding that they each do given the total number of minutes they are playing.  Another reason that you see the lack of production from Ward is that you dont have anyone out there to spread the floor.  There hasnt been a legitimate outside shooter on the team the past two years, which makes it easier to defend the post and do different things such as double down, play zone, etc. Also, Im not sure how good their G's are at actually passing the ball into the post. Early in Wards career, Fr-So, they had really good passers/decision makers at the Guard position. From what I've seen, their guards look more to score or shoot, which could be b/c the F's are not getting good position inside so they feel like they have to do that.  I think some forget that Ward spent time overseas over the summer so if I had to guess, it was probably hard for him to actually put in the work necessary to improving his game but thats D3 basketball.  Finally, i think Janowski really hasnt developed into what people thought b/c of the early success Ward had.  Janowski kind of fell into that second Forward and has deferred throughout his career to Ward.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 04, 2013, 09:14:31 AM
hoop guru
I think your point about Ursinus not having shooters who spread the floor is true, but most teams are in the same situation. There really are not alot of shooters in the conference. Dickinson (Wixted 6'7), F&M (Hayk 6'7, Salandra 6'7), Haverford (Cohen 6'6) and a few other bigs score, rebound and mix it up in the paint without reliable shooters on their team. (and F&M and Haverford don't have a proven point guard).I think Ward came into the league as a 6'10 kid who had some skills and a bit of hype being a local player (there was some D1 talk which I didn't quite understand) but it seems like he didn't get better at the things he doesn't do well naturally.  His strengths are scoring close to the basket and foul shooting. His shooting percentage is high but that is because he does not take alot of difficult, contested shots. There are alot of ways to win...most do it in our conference with defense and a couple of offensive threats. Ursinus is not strong defensively and don't have a consistent "go to" guy on offense. It seems like they hope someone will have a great game but no one does it every night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 04, 2013, 11:09:21 AM
Losing both Reggie Kamara and Trey Harry for the year hurt really impacted on the Bears defensively and on the boards.  Although rough around the edges offensively, Kamara is a big physical presence who rebounds and defends and who will score 6-8 points a game.  Harry has quick hands, is an excellent defender and is a better shooter than he thinks he is.  I am a big believer in both as they play with heart and DIII skills. Both should be back next year but that does not help them now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 04, 2013, 12:31:48 PM
Question, are tiebreakers still first head to head, and second w/l % over highest remaining team in standings? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2013, 12:44:52 PM
 2nd tiebreaker is usually better head-to-head with team starting at top and going to bottom until tie is broken.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 04, 2013, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 04, 2013, 12:44:52 PM
2nd tiebreaker is usually better head-to-head with team starting at top and going to bottom until tie is broken.
thanks Ronk, thats what i thought!  That said it still looks good for F&M as long as they split these two road games.  At that point they would need to just hold their undefeated home record to get the title games in Mayser
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 04, 2013, 02:58:07 PM
Seems that some "commentators" on here understand and grasp the game and others just seem to have personal agendas towards specific young men and don't get it, or even seem to have a clue at times. I don't at all understand the dissection and negative focus on individual players when there are approx 150 players in this conference. Comments about Ward from Ursinus from one such person on here, such as, "there was some D1 talk which I did'nt quite understand", and "his shooting percentage is high but that is because he does not take alot of difficult, contested shots" clearly shows  his curious, personal biased and lack of understanding about this game and the Ursinus situation in general. Don't know the agenda he carries but understand this. Options to play on other , higher levels MUST have been understood by some on those levels because he had choices there. What it came down to was academics and playing time which with most intelligent, well rounded student players at this level is a common dilemma and choice based on what you are looking to get out of a college education. As far as the second comment he spewed that I quoted, why then was it that up until this season Ward was near the top if not leading in fouls commited against, foul shots attempted and made all three years, (stated on here before by me). Don't seem to know how you get fouled without being contested? So please when that gem of a response forms in your gray matter then travels to your lips I await with anticipation and wonderment. As for those that seem to understand what goes on behind the scenes despite the obvious stats everyone focuses on, its good to hear from those that see and understand it. Gabriel and Hoop Guru specifically. His early seasons with Ursinus, especially freshman and sophmore year with Cousart and Hilton, they were more capable and understanding of getting him his looks and shots when there and also on the break, which no big or even guard ran or runs the floor better when given the opportunity, then or now. His dunks on the break the first two years showed that. On the point of some of the comments on him lacking as a physical player, no question he has been more of a finesse athletic type player during his career, his basketball body type has helped force that. The issue, this year especially as you stated HG is not getting the looks inside at the right time when you bust your ass,(or "carve out your space"), as a Big to seal or position yourself. Gabriel despite your opinion on the forwards that "don't seem to do these things well or at all" I loudly beg to differ. Ward indeed does these things every night, his banged up body tells him that post game. If you played as a big you have to know, if you wait that split second to make that entry down low, turnovers or no looks rule and that's been the case most nights for sure with the Bears this year. I said it before here, how can you have the shooting percentage leader for 4 years, IN THE CONFERENCE, be 4th on the current team in average shots taken per game. You will not and can not win with that floor formula. Gabriel touched on a point also regarding teams packing the defense down low forcing the Bears to beat you from outside. No one has been or is defended HARDER in the paint then Ward in the conference. He is doubled down on, at minimum, every game, especially the last two years. The opposing Bigs, which most teams have 2 to 3 to rotate in and out have 15 fouls to give and they use them, watch the games. Then also as stated earlier, the fouls committed against, foul shots taken and made support and back that up. The team has dissapointed this year no question, answers why differ but one for sure that is evident is the inconsistency, energy, heart from night to night and even half to half. The Saturday game in Gettysburg a perfect example. The first half it was a 2 point game and they played with all the emotions mentioned, the second half they came out lacking them all. The coaches, players and supporters are beyond frustrated and disappointed in this year. A floor/locker room leader or two would definitely be a partial solution and is needed on this team but as a player if you are'nt comfortable, settled and understanding of your role as a player on a team its tough to wear that leadership jersey. Last and most important here HG you also touched on Ward's focus, which is and always has been academics. No one is a more dedicated, harder working student athlete in the conference. His academic record and recognitions have spoken for themselves and continue to do so. Yes, he did spend the summer in Paris, working, studying and researching all involving his major. He had no time to work on his game during the summer so yes that had to hurt him for this year. But understanding what you want out of a college education and need to focus on to best set up your future seems to be a bigger and more intelligent priority when forced to make a choice, which some are in the CC. The choice to attend and study at Ursinus and play in "your" Centennial Conference, (as you put it CF), when presented with his Division I, II and III options came down to academics first and foremost then ball. He could'nt be happier with his choice and the future he is setting up for himself. So, I know, are his very proud parents.             
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 04, 2013, 05:45:44 PM
Coaching might have a lot to do with the Ursinus situation.  Whenever you have a situation where top players come in, yet the team struggles for victories, it usually falls on the staff
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 04, 2013, 06:22:12 PM
OTS, agree, that possibly seems to be a part of the problem also.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 04, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
for coco,
firstly, the beauty of this board is that everyone is allowed their opinions and everyone loves college basketball, particularly D3. it's not necessary, nor appropriate, to denegrate anyone's basketball knowledge simply because you may disagree. i feel that you are unnecessarily rude, as your karma points indicate. everyone hear voices their honest opinions and cares about the game and should not be disrespected...disagreed with, yes, but not disrespected. my opinion remains that i do not see ward as a D1 player regardless of any interest that may have existed at some point in high school. (i don't believe he could have played on that level, even if he could have gotten on a team, and i would include the ivy league.) I included my comment about not understanding the idea of D1 interest not due to a "personal agenda" but because i think it added to unreasonable expectations of ward when he came into the conference (as if he were a D1 quality player playing in D3.) As far as his shots being difficult, most of his shots are layups (not difficult shots). Many of the fouls committed against him are because he is shooting a layup and they want to make him earn it on the line, or because he gets doubled at times and there is contact due to traffic. Getting to the foul line does not at all indicate that the shot attempted was difficult. You say that there is no more committed and harder working student athlete, no one is defended harder, no one runs the floor like him, etc...and you accuse me of bias! I know it is hard (for some more than others), as a parent of an athlete, to see your son's game objectively, and I can understand your desire to protect your child. Yet, despite your objections, most of the comments on this board (including my own), are within reason whether you like them or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 05, 2013, 09:45:25 AM
For CF, .No denegration taking place here, as you talk about the "beauty" of these boards, my words are indeed simply my opinion. If you take my passion for ball and sports in general and my opinions as personal attacks on you, so be it, thats your opinion also. Anyone may go back, as I've stated before, and read my posts including those regarding you and your previous "opinions". I find it very humorous for one such as you,(who has "challenged" me like a 13 year old junior high school student more than once to satisfy some sort of inferiority complex you seem to have regarding your own playing career), to characterize me with all these wonderful adjectives. My opinions and comments stand from previous posts. Regarding seeing my sons game objectively,please, you don't know me from Adam. I have played sports my entire life and anyone that does know me understands I don't blow smoke up anyone's ass to keep anyone happy, especially my son.




My opinions on my sons game are more than two sided as my son can testify. Are there other players who work as hard, are defended as hard, who study as hard, I'm sure there are. I've never said otherwise. You comment on him, his game, and his ability, personally, as if you have been in the stands, seen every play, and every shot, of every game. You also comment on his ability to play on other levels as if you are capable of determining that for any D1 program. What is the purpose of these

statements to make here and to point this out as personally as you do with him when you do that with no other player in the conference. What do you think any parent is going to do. Sit back while some commentator on a basketball forum hides behind a keyboard spewing his " "unbiased opinions". Bulls__ t!! You want to continue opening your pie hole deal with the responses.





       
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Charles on February 05, 2013, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: cocoh2oDad on February 05, 2013, 09:45:25 AM
For CF, .No denegration taking place here, as you talk about the "beauty" of these boards, my words are indeed simply my opinion. If you take my passion for ball and sports in general and my opinions as personal attacks on you, so be it, thats your opinion also. Anyone may go back, as I've stated before, and read my posts including those regarding you and your previous "opinions". I find it very humorous for one such as you,(who has "challenged" me like a 13 year old junior high school student more than once to satisfy some sort of inferiority complex you seem to have regarding your own playing career), to characterize me with all these wonderful adjectives. My opinions and comments stand from previous posts. Regarding seeing my sons game objectively,please, you don't know me from Adam. I have played sports my entire life and anyone that does know me understands I don't blow smoke up anyone's ass to keep anyone happy, especially my son.






My opinions on my sons game are more than two sided as my son can testify. Are there other players who work as hard, are defended as hard, who study as hard, I'm sure there are. I've never said otherwise. You comment on him, his game, and his ability, personally, as if you have been in the stands, seen every play, and every shot, of every game. You also comment on his ability to play on other levels as if you are capable of determining that for any D1 program. What is the purpose of these

statements to make here and to point this out as personally as you do with him when you do that with no other player in the conference. What do you think any parent is going to do. Sit back while some commentator on a basketball forum hides behind a keyboard spewing his " "unbiased opinions". Bulls__ t!! You want to continue opening your pie hole deal with the responses.





     

In my experiences with the press, it is best to just ignore what people write. If you get upset or get all puffed out it makes the xperience less fun for you and your child. Nobody likes bad press, sure, but as parents we need to try to ignore the minutia . Just enjoy that your son has landed at a great school, is enjoying his experience, is getting a great education, likes his team mates and is happy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 05, 2013, 10:30:03 AM
Thanks Charles, I truly appreciate that advice. Its hard at times to ignore certain things on here and elsewhere in the press at times . It's not like these young men are getting paid to do this, they simply love the game. It's ironic you give me this advice,my son himself and others close to us have told me to not read this stuff that it only will tick me off. Easier said then done I guess. Thanks again, enjoy Tuesday!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 05, 2013, 10:45:12 AM
I do not want to add fuel to this fire, but i have trouble believing there arent at least a handful of players in the Centennial that could play at the D1 level.  Recruiting and college selection isnt an exact science based on a player's ability, athletics is just part of the equation.  Once on campus, a lot of it comes down to coaching, training staffs, etc.  Hayk most certainly could crack a 7/8 man rotation in the MAAC, MAC and maybe even colonial.  I havent seen enough of Ward to make that assessment, but i wouldnt be surprised to hear he received D1 attention (there are 330+ schools in D1, and a ton in the Northeast). 

And i have watched enough of Seton Hall this year to know that even the big conferences have players at the low end that have no right playing major conference basketball.  Its all relative.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 05, 2013, 10:57:45 AM
coco,
once again i will say, as proven by your most recent post again, that your "opinion" comes with hostility and anger which really is unnecessary. you don't know me from adam either, and i have played sports my entire life also...so what? but people who haven't played sports are allowed an opinion in this world also. most fans have probably never played yet they learn the game, follow the game and, most importantly, love the game. recently your son's game has been talked about by many on this board in a critical manner. you choose to take shots at me because i am one of the few who has called you on your nonsense and we have disagreed often in the past. none of my comments about your son's game are personal, or unreasonable...it's just basketball. i only talk about the way that he plays (and i have seen it many times, in the stands, over the last 4 years that he has been in college).people into basketball talk about a player's "game" all the time. unfortunately, you personalize it and lash back (generally at me).you are sweet to those that agree with you and rather disrespectful with those that don't. your behavior on this board does not do your son justice. he seems like a mild mannered young man. sit back and enjoy the few games he has left and stay positive. peace.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: welldusted on February 05, 2013, 11:01:53 AM
Hello all. New to the board; (very) old to the league.   I think the time has arrived for the Administrator to set up a separate "Ursinus Recriminations" board where Ursinus fans can go to yell at each other and leave the rest of us in peace.  While that is being done, lets talk about who will host the playoffs.  I think F&M still has the inside track on hosting.  Dickinson plays 3 of their last 4 games on the road against winning teams (Muhlenberg, Gettysburg, and F&M) and altho they are playing well lately that is asking a lot.  The X factor is Hopkins, which is only one game behind the 2 leaders and has to play F&M at Mayser, but their 3 other games are against teams with losing records: Washington, McDaniel, and (sorry guys) Ursinus.  But F&M is still in the best position. They end their season at home against Hopkins and Dickinson, so if they defend home court, they should host. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: cocoh2oDad on February 05, 2013, 11:44:37 AM
Sorry welldusted, I will end my "conversation" on this forum defending my son. I've stated enough on here to make my points. As I also stated to Charles, if you have ever been a father, hearing the personal dissection of your son or daughter on a forum that requires no responsibility for your "opinions" such as this commentator has continued to spew and hide behind, it's not possible to stay silent. If that has bored anyone, sorry. You and anyone else would concur if in my shoes. As Charles suggested from here on out I will ignore the minutia and enjoy the rest of the season. May the rest of you do the same. Go Bears!   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 06, 2013, 05:14:46 PM
Really fun conference race shaping up, and it starts tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 06, 2013, 07:08:02 PM
as usual it all gets decided in the last few games. the conference seems split in 2 at this point...a top and bottom. despite their season, i think F&M still has the strongest bodies and most athletes out there, and other teams play more together and in more control (dickinson, gettysburg, hopkins)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 06, 2013, 07:11:01 PM
thanks for the apology, coco, and you enjoy the rest of the season as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 06, 2013, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 06, 2013, 07:08:02 PM
as usual it all gets decided in the last few games. the conference seems split in 2 at this point...a top and bottom. despite their season, i think F&M still has the strongest bodies and most athletes out there, and other teams play more together and in more control (dickinson, gettysburg, hopkins)
No usually F&M's about to clinch home court by now. The race to host does make it more exciting but also more stressful. If only the Gburg score could stay like it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2013, 09:32:23 AM
F&M held on as the officiating went south.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2013, 09:32:23 AM
F&M held on as the officiating went south.

Not east or west?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 07, 2013, 09:47:16 AM
Interesting regional rankings.  Not too much to digest for Centennial fans as the Diplomats sneak in with a regional ranking.  Maybe Centennial fans can answer this, but when was the last time anyone other than F&M got a regional ranking from the conference?  Was it pre 2009?  Either way, depending on the size of the bubble, one would have to believe that the Centennial is a 1-bid league no matter what happens with F&M in the CC tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2013, 10:25:22 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on February 07, 2013, 09:47:16 AM
Interesting regional rankings.  Not too much to digest for Centennial fans as the Diplomats sneak in with a regional ranking.  Maybe Centennial fans can answer this, but when was the last time anyone other than F&M got a regional ranking from the conference?  Was it pre 2009?  Either way, depending on the size of the bubble, one would have to believe that the Centennial is a 1-bid league no matter what happens with F&M in the CC tourney.

Almost. In 2009 McDaniel was ranked in the final published ranking:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2013, 06:10:19 PM
Could have been east, west, or possibly even north, but definitely south.

go south  (American informal) to lose value or quality

go west  (old-fashioned) if something goes west, it is destroyed or lost
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2013, 06:57:55 PM
  I meant east-favoring F&M or west-favoring Gburg; south implies bad for all concerned.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 09, 2013, 07:21:45 PM
F&M falls to Swat in OT
Dickinson tied with F&M for 1st after beating Haverford
Ursinus still can possibly end in 5th and make playoffs
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2013, 07:23:54 PM
F&M pulls off the rare basketball trifecta--the first place team losing to the bottom three teams of the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 09, 2013, 08:14:46 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2013, 07:23:54 PM
F&M pulls off the rare basketball trifecta--the first place team losing to the bottom three teams of the league.

I don't think that's something we should be bragging about...
It all comes down to F&M v. Dickinson Saturday for hosting and then probably a rematch the next weekend for an NCAA bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2013, 09:13:15 PM
Just commenting on the inconsistency of the team.  After watching F&M since 1966, I'm pretty sure that trifecta never happened before.
F&M will have to continue their home court streak.
Fortunately, the final two games are at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 11, 2013, 09:37:31 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2013, 07:23:54 PM
F&M pulls off the rare basketball trifecta--the first place team losing to the bottom three teams of the league.
I really dont understand how you lose those games.  From a competitive standpoint, those three teams just are not on the same level in an efficiency standpoint.  One, maybe two, sure those games happen to average-to-good teams on every level.  And especially when you look at the haverford box score, those games happen.  But three times in one season?  Even though the Diplomats are undefeated at home, i just cannot see them pulling off four straight wins against more legitimate competition
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2013, 10:40:19 AM
Being on the road has always been interesting for F&M, especially over the last four or five seasons. For whatever reason, they are prone to play bad games when away from Mayser. This year it appears that this flaw is far more exposed in a conference that isn't exactly the best top to bottom in the Mid-Atlantic Region. Everyone wonders why Glenn Robinson schedules so many games at home if he can... and this may be the biggest example of why... though, why his teams are so much more beatable on the road than at home is up for others to figure out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 11, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2013, 10:40:19 AM
Being on the road has always been interesting for F&M, especially over the last four or five seasons. For whatever reason, they are prone to play bad games when away from Mayser. This year it appears that this flaw is far more exposed in a conference that isn't exactly the best top to bottom in the Mid-Atlantic Region. Everyone wonders why Glenn Robinson schedules so many games at home if he can... and this may be the biggest example of why... though, why his teams are so much more beatable on the road than at home is up for others to figure out.
I think the anomaly isnt as much F&M as a good home team vs bad road team (I mean they have won two big road games in the NCAA tourney in recent years), its their propensity to lose to, no offense, bad teams.  They won this year at Muhlenberg, JHU and Gettysburg, which makes the three bad losses so hard to figure. 

And as for scheduling, with the true 18 game double round robin, F&M just isnt going to schedule a lot of non conference road games.  The Tip-off and the New years tournaments are decades old traditions which i cannot imagine ending anytime soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2013, 11:23:01 AM
Well they did play Transylvania and St. Mary's on the road (Transy being a tournament there, SMC turning into a regional rivalry of sorts)... so they seem to be more willing now to go for those harder games that will boost  their SOS. They have 7 games out of conference and avoiding the Lancaster Bibles of the world is a good thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2013, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on February 11, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
I think the anomaly isnt as much F&M as a good home team vs bad road team (I mean they have won two big road games in the NCAA tourney in recent years), its their propensity to lose to, no offense, bad teams.  They won this year at Muhlenberg, JHU and Gettysburg, which makes the three bad losses so hard to figure. 

It is really puzzling, no doubt. Even if they were not taking these games seriously the first or second time it happened, you'd have to think that by Saturday they realized that they had to play their 'A' game even if it was against Swarthmore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 11, 2013, 11:32:35 AM
Let's face it, there is no outstanding team in the CC this year just as there is no outstanding player in the mold of a Georgio Milligan or Nick Shattuck.   F&M is good but very inconsistent.  They do not have Milligan.  He could carry the team and he refused to lose.  That being said, I think there is more parity in the league this year than any time in recent years----less of a gap between #1 and #10.  Whoever wins the CC is not likely to go very far in the post season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2013, 11:34:51 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 11, 2013, 11:32:35 AM
Let's face it, there is no outstanding team in the CC this year just as there is no outstanding player in the mold of a Georgio Milligan or Nick Shattuck.   F&M is good but very inconsistent.  They do not have Milligan.  He could carry the team and he refused to lose.  That being said, I think there is more parity in the league this year than any time in recent years----less of a gap between #1 and #10.  Whoever wins the CC is not likely to go very far in the post season. 

Perhaps. They're not likely to get a home game or a particularly kind matchup, but it's not like there are a ton of unbeatable teams within 500 miles, either. In the right bracket, F&M or Dickinson could certainly win a game, maybe two.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 11, 2013, 12:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2013, 10:40:19 AM
Being on the road has always been interesting for F&M, especially over the last four or five seasons. For whatever reason, they are prone to play bad games when away from Mayser.

I think the worst losses for F&M over that time (not counting this year) actually took place in Mayser: the losses to Washington in 2010 and 2012, and the 46-45 loss to Hopkins in 2010.

F&M's road schedule has always been the subject of debate, so I was glad the Dips played Transy on the road and continued the series at St. Mary's this year. I thought they were on the right track a few years ago when they scheduled games at DeSales, at Catholic and at Alvernia, maybe not all in the same year but in the same time period. Then there have been a couple years recently without any "signature" non-conference road games.

I didn't think F&M was as good as everyone was saying at the beginning of the year, so the team's current record doesn't surprise me. But I figured they'd lose in places like Allentown and Gettysburg, not Chestertown and Swat.

I wonder how F&M's road record compares to other top D-III teams during the Robinson era. In general, I think winning on the road at any level of basketball is more difficult but also more rewarding than winning at home. Two of F&M's most exciting NCAA runs for me were those that included three wins away from Mayser: in 2000 and 2010. I think the win at St. Mary's in the Sweet 16 is one of the best in team history.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 11, 2013, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 11, 2013, 11:32:35 AM
Let's face it, there is no outstanding team in the CC this year just as there is no outstanding player in the mold of a Georgio Milligan or Nick Shattuck.   F&M is good but very inconsistent.  They do not have Milligan.  He could carry the team and he refused to lose.  That being said, I think there is more parity in the league this year than any time in recent years----less of a gap between #1 and #10.  Whoever wins the CC is not likely to go very far in the post season.
i think you are being generous in calling F&M good.  I'm not sure the conference has a "good" team this year.  From an efficiency standpoint, they're above average defensively and rebound well but do not have anything about which to be excited. 

And i'm not sure parity is the right word.  Parity would imply that the bottom of the conference rose.  From what i'm seeing the bottom is the same as it has ever been, it is just F&M has fallen back to the middle for the first time in a few seasons. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2013, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on February 11, 2013, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 11, 2013, 11:32:35 AM
Let's face it, there is no outstanding team in the CC this year just as there is no outstanding player in the mold of a Georgio Milligan or Nick Shattuck.   F&M is good but very inconsistent.  They do not have Milligan.  He could carry the team and he refused to lose.  That being said, I think there is more parity in the league this year than any time in recent years----less of a gap between #1 and #10.  Whoever wins the CC is not likely to go very far in the post season.
i think you are being generous in calling F&M good.  I'm not sure the conference has a "good" team this year.  From an efficiency standpoint, they're above average defensively and rebound well but do not have anything about which to be excited. 

And i'm not sure parity is the right word.  Parity would imply that the bottom of the conference rose.  From what i'm seeing the bottom is the same as it has ever been, it is just F&M has fallen back to the middle for the first time in a few seasons.

I would agree with this... I don't think the top of the conference is all that good, though Dickinson is certainly playing well and F&M has their moments. I admit as a Top 25 voter I probably put too much stock in the team early on despite plenty of second guessing in my head about what they lost and what they had back.

Unfortunately, the conference isn't as good as it has been in the past. I think the success of F&M over the last few years has hidden the fact the rest of the conference is floundering. This year F&M has come back to the rest of the conference and we now see what we have been missing for many years... this conference is in a bit of a rut right now. I think the Landmark, MAC-Commonwealth, and CAC may be better top to bottom, though the CAC certainly doesn't have any world beaters at the bottom. I would say the CC is better than the CSAC and maybe the MAC-Freedom, but it is close on that last one.

I hope things can improve...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: welldusted on February 11, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Another factor being ignored is injuries. F&M is missing Early and Figueroa which significantly weakens their scoring and depth both inside and on the wing.  Which means more minutes for the starters, and late season fatigue and lack of focus against "weaker" opponents.  I would expect F&M to finish strong.  However, the tournament will be the most wide open it has been for years. I can make a case for 4, and maybe all 5 playoff teams, as champions. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 11, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2013, 02:08:23 PM
I would agree with this... I don't think the top of the conference is all that good, though Dickinson is certainly playing well and F&M has their moments. I admit as a Top 25 voter I probably put too much stock in the team early on despite plenty of second guessing in my head about what they lost and what they had back.

Unfortunately, the conference isn't as good as it has been in the past. I think the success of F&M over the last few years has hidden the fact the rest of the conference is floundering. This year F&M has come back to the rest of the conference and we now see what we have been missing for many years... this conference is in a bit of a rut right now. I think the Landmark, MAC-Commonwealth, and CAC may be better top to bottom, though the CAC certainly doesn't have any world beaters at the bottom. I would say the CC is better than the CSAC and maybe the MAC-Freedom, but it is close on that last one.

I hope things can improve...

Agreed, and this is a bit of what i was saying the other day.  The Centennial hasnt had a ranked Regional team, other than F&M, in four years.  So you get other Mid Atl conferences where an at large is possible because Teams A,B and even C get to have wins over each other. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 11, 2013, 04:00:28 PM
I think parity is the right way to put it-----perhaps mediocre parity is better.   I say parity because perennial doormat Swarthmore is much better this year and is a not an easy win.  A few years back, Swat and Haverford were sure wins----but no more.  Dickinson and McDaniel weren't very good either prior to their current coaches arriving on the scene.   Washington is having a down year but that was expected after losing 7 or 8 seniors last year.  Hopkins is certainly better this year after several down years.

Somebody mentioned F&M having key injuries---to Early and their back up point guard.  Every team has injuries this time of the year.  Some players are playing through them, others are not.   Ursinus had only 12 players on their roster at the beginning season and 2 of the 12 have not and will not play this season due to injuries and academic issues leaving them with almost no depth.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 11, 2013, 05:04:01 PM
I have said it before and I will say it again, Porter in nothing less than a class act! I just love the kid! Last year, my mother in law told him to stop guarding her grandson so well in a game. He smiled and talked to her for a long time after the game. This year, he made a point to come find me after the game and we had a great chat. All of you F&M supporters should be proud to have such a great kid on your team. He is the best defender I have seen in my four years of watching the Centennial Conference.

Hey, how about a little bit of love for Swat? That was a huge win on senior day!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 11, 2013, 06:18:04 PM
i would agree that the CC is not a particularly good conference this year relative to previous years, and F&M is having a down year. There is no standout point guard in the league and our best bigs are often inconsistent. Most teams are winning on the play of two guys with many decent (but not starter quality) players playing defense and limiting errors on offense. Dickinson, Hopkins, Muhlenberg and Gettysburg fall in that category for me. F&M has the best athletes but not alot of skilled basketball payers. I would agree that I do not expect our conference champion to go far in the tournament. No team seems particularly reliable this year or has guys who can make good decisions and make plays in crunch time. What alot of teams seem to hope for is that they will have a good night as reliability both on an individual and team level seems hard to come by.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 11, 2013, 06:51:00 PM
Swat Dad,
Terrific win for Swarthmore.  Their players just seemed to want to win as they out-hustled F&M for numerous rebounds.
Last year F&M had two go to players in Hayk and Georgio, an inside player and outside player.  This year F&M has no consistent outside force, but it would be great to see Brewer take a few more shots.  With all the injuries this year, F&M is limping through their schedule.  After Hayk fouled out and Cedric went out with a facial injury, the only big player left was Jon Salandra.
As Grabriel stated, Ursinus and F&M have no depth.  Swarthmore had 17 players in uniform on Saturday, even though most of them didn't play.  F&M looks like they will have to win 4 quality games in the next two weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 12, 2013, 12:22:53 AM
congrats to swat...they are working hard, had several close losses this year, and i am sure were extremely excited to get a win against F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 12, 2013, 09:15:18 AM
Just to add to the "true road game" debate is this article from Monday's Wall Street Journal. Hardly your traditional sports newspaper, but the WSJ has some quality sports reporting and here's an example.

"College basketball's heavyweights have turned into quivering weaklings this season when faced with an increasingly formidable foe: an opposing team's gym. Through Sunday afternoon's games, teams ranked in the Associated Press's top-25 poll have won just over half of their true road games (.569), the second-worst rate this decade, off from a peak of .627 in 2004-05. (True road games are ones played in the opponent's arena, as opposed to at a neutral site.)"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324196204578296154005873738.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 12, 2013, 09:44:23 AM
I re-ran my efficiency table using the NCAA's latest stats (thru games of last Thursday).  Just some food for thought, F&M is the top team in the conference at #69 in the nation (up from 95 when i did this a few weeks ago).  As a comparison, they have been in the top 20 three of the past four years.  Dickinson is next at 119, Muhl at 133, Hopkins at 138, GBurg at 140. mcdaniel at 178, Ursinus at 289, and the rest at sub-300. 

In what can only be a complete coincidence, the top team in the nation per the efficiency matrix is St. Thomas, and its not even really close.  Calvin, Hamp-syd, Williams and Catholic round out the top 5
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 12, 2013, 09:14:21 PM
Looks to be an exciting last week of the regular season.  I'm obviously hoping for a 2-0 week for the Bears and an 0-2 week for the Bullets, although its never fun when you put yourself in the position where you have to have help from other teams in order to make playoffs.  Much better to have clinched by this point or be in Gburg's position where its win and your in.  Would love to be able to get to that Dickinson/F&M game on Sat. as it looks like that will be for hosting the playoffs the following weekend if they both take care of business on Wednesday night.

As far as some of the talk regarding the CC winner not going far in the NCAA tourney, I wouldn't be so quick to put that in writing.  I realize that none of the teams this year compare to F&M the past few years, Gburg a couple years ago, or Ursinus in 2008, but being able to advance in the tournament is all about the draw that first weekend.  In my opinion, just from seeing a couple games on video this season, if Dickinson could win the CC somehow, I think they could possibly get a couple NCAA wins depending on the draw.  One thing about the CC, even though teams might not be as good as previous years, it does prepare you to be competitive in those NCAA games.  The one thing that I am definitely interested in seeing play out is the format of this years NCAA tournament in both division 2 and division 3.  Since they are having each of the final 4's down in Atlanta at the division 1 host site, the 2 and 3 tournaments are very spread out, where teams will be playing just one game and then having a full week off.  That will almost certainly play an advantage in the whole tournament this year b/c it will give teams much more time to rest and prepare for their next opponent rather than having to turn around the very next day and play their next game.  I think this is a big factor that could change some things in this years tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2013, 09:25:19 PM
Just to clear up one thing... each of the final fours will not take place in Atlanta... just the D1 final four with the D2 and D3 championship games. Salem will host the Elite 8 and the Final Four two weeks prior.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 13, 2013, 09:56:16 AM
Vegas has set the lines for tonight's important round of CC action:  F&M is 7 point favorites at home and Dickinson is a 2 point road favorite!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 14, 2013, 09:24:30 AM
Saw the new regional rankings, with Dickinson slipping in at F&M's old number 9 spot.  I'd have to believe that F&M's recent loss guarantees this will be a one-bid league
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: welldusted on February 14, 2013, 11:18:32 AM
Saw Dickinson, F&M and Ursinus games last night thru the miracle of technology.  F&M did as expected, came out hard and the result was never really in doubt.   Dickinson pulled ahead with a late spurt but did not look comfortable on offense at all.  Neither did Gettysburg -- they were missing Zurn and Poston with injuries which maybe explains why they are floundering late.  It's hard when your best player can't play.  Also saw Wixted had his hand in a splint and played under 10 minutes -- if he can't go that puts Dickinson's prospects in real doubt.   Finally, saw Ursinus rally late to keep their season alive when it looked like they were trying to toss it away for the first 10 mins. of the second half.  It should be interesting to see how things play out, as neither McDaniel or Muhlenberg really have much to gain on Saturday when they play Gettysburg and Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 14, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
A true regular season championship game this week at Mayser, should be a lot of fun.  The One Tin Soldier will ride into the town for the first time this season for what will hopefully be the first of two straight saturday home games against the Devils.  Looking back, the first game in Carlisle was a strange one.  It isn't often you see the Diplomats take 20 3's in a hotly contested game.  Dickinson also matched the Dips in rebounding (a clear F&M strength), and they will need to approach that, and their 90% ft shooting if they are to get the road win.  I see a game probably played in the 50's, with the winner being based on how the game is called early. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 14, 2013, 01:42:34 PM
Here are your official playoff scenarios entering the season's final day.

The winner of the Dickinson-Franklin & Marshall game will be the top seed and host for the Conference final four that begins on Friday, Feb. 22.

The loser of that game will be the #2 seed and play either Johns Hopkins or Muhlenberg. A Blue Jay victory gives the #3 seed to Hopkins, while a loss and a Muhlenberg win gives the spot to the Mules. Should both teams lose, JHU is the #3 seed due to a season sweep of 'Berg.

The first-round game will be played on Wednesday, Feb. 20, at the site of the #4 seed - either Johns Hopkins or Muhlenberg. Gettysburg earns the #5 seed with a victory, while a loss and an Ursinus triumph gives the final spot to the Bears. If both teams lose and a three-way deadlock is created with McDaniel, Gettysburg is the #5 seed due to a 3-1 record against McDaniel and Ursinus.

Since the Centennial went to a double round-robin format in 2004, the top seed for the tournament has never been decided in a winner-take-all matchup.

Franklin & Marshall has not played a road Conference tournament game since the 2003 Centennial final at Ursinus. The Diplomats have played 12 consecutive CC tourney games at the Mayser Center.

Dickinson has never hosted a Centennial tournament game. The last time the Red Devils hosted any Conference postseason game was on Feb. 19, 1990, as Dickinson defeated Lebanon Valley in a MAC Southwest tie-breaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on February 14, 2013, 02:14:43 PM
Quote from: commish on February 14, 2013, 01:42:34 PM
Franklin & Marshall has not played a road Conference tournament game since the 2003 Centennial final at Ursinus.

ten years?!?! wow. i will always remember the pageantry of that amazing event, even if my team fell short
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 15, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
My predictions for this weekend:
Gettysburg at McDaniel they have more to prove and don't want to put their post-season hopes in someone elses hands. Although if Zurn isn't playing this one could end up as another Terror victory at home
Washington College at Johns Hopkins not too challenging here, home team wanting a higher seed in the tournament
Dickinson at Franklin & Marshall edge to F&M as they are still undefeated at home, but it should be a good game as both teams want to host
Swarthmore at Haverford in the only game that doesn't matter on the day, the home team gets the nod
Ursinus at Muhlenberg the bears have been up and down all season and heading to the Mule Barn is just too much for them to handle as they miss the playoffs again
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 15, 2013, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: commish on February 14, 2013, 01:42:34 PM
The last time the Red Devils hosted any Conference postseason game was on Feb. 19, 1990, as Dickinson defeated Lebanon Valley in a MAC Southwest tie-breaker.

Commish: as I recall, the game above was the fourth time the Devils beat the Dutchmen that season. However, in the fifth meeting [gasp!], an ECAC playoff game, LVC prevailed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 15, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
"Swarthmore at Haverford in the only game that doesn't matter on the day, the home team gets the nod."

Not sure that a statement has ever been farther from the truth. It means everything to the seniors who are playing their last game. Everything.

And again no love for Swarthmore who has played incredibly hard this season and has three overtime games in a row and now an all-time scoring record for a career.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 15, 2013, 10:32:52 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 15, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
"Swarthmore at Haverford in the only game that doesn't matter on the day, the home team gets the nod."

Not sure that a statement has ever been farther from the truth. It means everything to the seniors who are playing their last game. Everything.

And again no love for Swarthmore who has played incredibly hard this season and has three overtime games in a row and now an all-time scoring record for a career.
Yes, I agree it means everything to the seniors playing! They want to go out with a win. My statement was probably a bit carelessly written.

I'm not not giving love to Swat, if this game was at home I would be 100% on Swat's side. They beat F&M at home, Haverford beat F&M at home. It will probably be a good game. I gave the nod to Haverford, because they were at home, not because Swat can't win.

Swat will probably be in playoff contention next year if they keep playing.

My statement probably should have been "is the only game that doesn't matter on the day in term of playoff seeding." At least that's what I was thinking when I posted it!

Good luck to Swat tomorrow!

It should be a great day of D3 basketball!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 16, 2013, 06:05:14 PM
From what I saw of the Dips game, it was pretty good play by F&M. And I'm not sure where all the fans came from....

Also, congrats to Swat on finishing up the season with a win! I didn't see any of the game, but the stats do look pretty good for Swat.

Gburg lucky that Ursinus couldn't pull out the win.

Should be a good tournament this weekend.

GET at MUH
Semis: winner at F&M,  DC vs JHU
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 16, 2013, 06:56:10 PM
lots of blowouts today...mules, swat and f&m with clear victories.
looks like f&m is the clear frontrunner now that they are home and handily defeated dickinson.
i think muhlenberg is a team to watch if killing and hargrove have strong games against f&m..
gettysbrg without zurn doesn't seem to be a threat, and hopkins probably cant put enough points on the board against muhlenberg or f&m. i would have prferred an f&m/muhlenberg final.
we shall see....
good luck to everybody.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 16, 2013, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 16, 2013, 06:56:10 PM
lots of blowouts today...mules, swat and f&m with clear victories.
looks like f&m is the clear frontrunner now that they are home and handily defeated dickinson.
i think muhlenberg is a team to watch if killing and hargrove have strong games against f&m..
gettysbrg without zurn doesn't seem to be a threat, and hopkins probably cant put enough points on the board against muhlenberg or f&m. i would have prferred an f&m/muhlenberg final.
we shall see....
good luck to everybody.
Yeah, I do agree an F&M/Muhl final would probably be a better game based on the earlier results and today's F&M/Dickinson game. Although, I have a feeling Dickinson will come back next week ready to play (that is if they get past JHU).

Do we know for sure Zurn is still out next week? If so Muhl will easily win.

And can someone please tell the conference to sort out what times the games are on Friday. I've seen everything from 5 and 7, 5:30 and 7:30, and 6 and 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2013, 10:54:44 PM
One if the largest crowds at F&M-probably in the top 10 or 20-witnessed F&M hitting on all cylinders.  I wonder how the crowd compares to other D3 crowds today.  Good play from the starters and great support from the subs-Lee, Rogo, Moune, and Figueroa. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2013, 11:28:03 PM
Well, smaller than the Hope-Calvin women's game, but that's a fairly special case.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 17, 2013, 01:04:03 AM
For your late night viewing pleasure, here's our video recap (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6518tWVWqyY) of F&M's win over Dickinson.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 17, 2013, 01:06:31 AM
njf
i didn't see the f&m /dickinson game but it seems like they did a great job on dickinson's point guard. was porter guarding him? he is much more athletic and loves to play D. if dickinson and f&m meet in the finals, that could easily happen again. wixted also seemed to be contained (by hayk?)
reserved seat...what were the matchups on D like?
thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 17, 2013, 09:43:16 AM
your all centennial picks...?

1st team...hayk, wixted, zurn, killing, gates
2nd team...cohen, hargrove, rudd, baker, honig
honorable mention...salandra,bugarinovic, ward, poarch, kober
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 17, 2013, 12:08:18 PM
Several players covered Honig. Porter had some foul trouble.  Rogo, Figueroa, and Beckford helped to cover Honig.
Hayk spent little time covering wixted, mostly Salandra provided defense.  Wixted seemed greatly affected by an injured thumb.  Wixted hadn't played much against Gettysburg on Wednesday.  The intensity of F&M's defense was the key to the game and the balanced scoring.  Dickinson seemed incredibly tight at the onset of the game, which contributed to their scoring only 11 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 17, 2013, 04:40:38 PM
The tentative playoff schedule. A pre-championship conference call will be held on Monday to finalize.

Wed Feb 20 - Gettysburg at Muhlenberg, 7:30
Fri Feb 22 - Dickinson vs. Johns Hopkins (at Franklin & Marshall), 6:00
Fri Feb 22 - Gettysburg/Muhlenberg at Franklin & Marshall, 8:00
Sat Feb 23 - semifinal winners (at Franklin & Marshall), 7:00

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 17, 2013, 07:25:44 PM
Great regular season that was very competitive for most games. The past four years have flown by! I will so miss being a part of this incredible conference as I am so impressed by the players, coaches, and the fans! I feel F&M will win it all again as their defense just is the difference come playoff time.

I am interested in everyone's opinion on all conference teams. I agree with centfan's picks and will go with his.

Thanks for four great years of memories, this has been a ball!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 17, 2013, 11:25:03 PM
thanks reserved. that makes sense that salandra did a good job on defense. plays hard, athletic...a big part of f&m. wixted and zurn being hurt has really hurt their teams. 2 of the best in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 18, 2013, 08:54:36 PM
Join Executive Director Steve Ulrich as he convenes a panel of broadcasters to talk about the upcoming Centennial Conference men's and women's basketball playoffs on Tuesday night at 7 p.m.

Tim Murray, voice of the McDaniel College Green Terror, Stu Johnson, voice of the Johns Hopkins University Blue Jays, Victor Brady, voice of the Swarthmore College Garnet, and Conner Fleegle, voice of the Washington College Shoremen, will join Ulrich in a Google+ Hangout on Air.

You can watch the Hangout at this link (goes live at 6:55) and participate via Twitter or Facebook. Use the hashtag #CChoops13 on Twitter.

It's your chance to talk hoops and get ready for the playoffs - that's Tuesday night at 7 p.m.

http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/2-18-Talkin-Hoops
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 22, 2013, 09:03:03 PM
Anyone know when the Centennial All-Conference Teams come out?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 22, 2013, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 22, 2013, 09:03:03 PM
Anyone know when the Centennial All-Conference Teams come out?
Wednesday I believe.

and wow!!!!!

Hayk gets it done!!!!

Tomorrow should be good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 22, 2013, 10:26:08 PM
Hayk, with ice water in his veins, hit 2 key 3's down the stretch to help F&M live for another day.  Both teams played tight defense with Hayk and Malique held well below their season averages. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 22, 2013, 11:14:27 PM
Hayk has hit some big shots in his career, but I'm not sure any were bigger than the pair of threes he hit at the end of tonight's game. Great atmosphere, and should be even better tomorrow with half of Carlisle coming to Mayser.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2013, 08:01:31 AM
Mules blew that one.  They did a great job on Hayk until the last two minutes.  Announcer said three shots and 9 points.  How did he get to be so open? Clearly they should have gone back to a man defense when they did not want to allow any threes.  Muhlenberg's strategy down the stretch was really questionable in my mind.  Everyone, including the Dips knew they were going to clear out for Killing.  With shooters like Curry and Stravetski-----why force it with Killing---especially with Porter guarding him? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DMJSports on February 23, 2013, 04:39:05 PM
Here is an interesting insight on how individuals impact a team's performance.  The following analysis is not based on individual stats, but compares team performance with individual players in and out of the lineup.  This is an objective analysis using actual data from every game played by Centennial Conference teams this season.  Based on this comprehensive analysis, the following players are making the most positive impact on their respective team:

Dickinson: ADAM HONIG speeds up the game and therefore improves Dickinson's scoring rate by 13.3ppg but also allows opponent scoring rate to increase by 2.3ppg - a net gain of 11.0ppg.   GERRY WIXTED (10.2ppg) and CHRIS BARSANTI (6.1ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Franklin and Marshall: HAYK GYOKCHYAN speeds up the game and therefore improves Franklin and Marshall's scoring rate by 12.1ppg but also allows opponent scoring rate to increase by 2.4ppg - a net gain of 9.7ppg

Gettysburg: ALEX ZURN does a nice job of not only improving Gettysburg's scoring rate by 1.9ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 7.3ppg - a net gain of 9.1ppg.   CHRISTIAN BORS (5.7ppg) also makes a strong positive impact.

Haverford: BRETT COHEN does a nice job of not only improving Haverford's scoring rate by 13.3ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 4.0ppg - a net gain of 17.3ppg.   CAM BAKER (11.0ppg) and JAMES LEVINE (10.2ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Johns Hopkins: JIMMY HAMMER speeds up the game and therefore improves Johns Hopkins's scoring rate by 19.0ppg but also allows opponent scoring rate to increase by 4.3ppg - a net gain of 14.8ppg.   GEORGE BUGARINOVIC (10.0ppg) and CONNOR MCINTYRE (5.4ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

McDaniel: JIMMY CRANWELL does a nice job of not only improving McDaniel's scoring rate by 4.0ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 4.1ppg - a net gain of 8.1ppg.   NIC MARTIN (5.6ppg) also makes a strong positive impact.

Muhlenberg: MALIQUE KILLING does a nice job of not only improving Muhlenberg's scoring rate by 12.3ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 2.2ppg - a net gain of 14.5ppg.   JAMES ALBANO (14.5ppg) and MATT O'HARA (11.3ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Swarthmore: KARL BARKLEY does a nice job of not only improving Swarthmore's scoring rate by 7.0ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 4.2ppg - a net gain of 11.2ppg.   JAY KOBER (8.2ppg), JORDAN FEDERER (6.7ppg), JOE KEEDY (5.7ppg) and WILL GATES (5.7ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Ursinus: JESSE KRASNA does a nice job of not only improving Ursinus's scoring rate by 8.7ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 5.0ppg - a net gain of 13.7ppg.   RYAN ADAMS (7.5ppg) also makes a strong positive impact.

Washington College: SEAN BROOKS does a nice job of not only improving Washington College's scoring rate by 5.2ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 3.5ppg - a net gain of 8.7ppg.   DAVE KNOX (8.4ppg)PAT MORGAN (6.6ppg) and STEPHEN POARCH (4.9ppg) also make a strong positive impact.


On the lighter side, focusing on secondary goals (team stats other than the primary objective - outscoring opponents).  Following are players making the most positive impact in these areas:

Team scoring: the presence of JIMMY HAMMER correlates to Johns Hopkins increasing its scoring rate by 19.0 ppg.

Opponent scoring: the presence of MATT O'HARA correlates to Muhlenberg decreasing opposition scoring rate by 9.7 ppg.

Team field goal percentage: the presence of BRETT COHEN correlates to Haverford increasing its field goal percentage rate by 13.8 percentage points.

Opponent field goal percentage: the presence of MALIQUE KILLING correlates to Muhlenberg decreasing opposition field goal percentage rate by 6.5 percentage pointsDAVE KNOX-Washington College (6.4) also makes a strong positive impact.

Team field goals made: the presence of BRETT COHEN correlates to Haverford increasing its field goals made rate by 8.3 per game.

Opponent field goals made: the presence of CAM BAKER correlates to Haverford decreasing opposition field goals made rate by 4.0 per gamePAT MORGAN-Washington College (3.9) also makes a strong positive impact.

Team offensive rebounds: the presence of CHRISTIAN BORS correlates to Gettysburg increasing its offensive rebounds rate by 2.9 per gameMALIK DRAPER-Ursinus (2.8), ADAM HONIG-Dickinson (2.7), ALEC STAVETSKI-Muhlenberg (2.7) also make a strong positive impact.

Opponent offensive rebounds: the presence of BRETT COHEN correlates to Haverford decreasing opposition offensive rebounds rate by 5.6 per game.

Team turnovers: the presence of JIMMY HAMMER correlates to Johns Hopkins decreasing its turnovers rate by 6.4 per game.

Opponent turnovers: the presence of BRETT COHEN correlates to Haverford increasing opposition turnovers rate by 5.6 per game.

Team steals: the presence of BRETT COHEN correlates to Haverford increasing its steals rate by 5.7 per game.

Team assists: the presence of MALIQUE KILLING correlates to Muhlenberg increasing its assists rate by 5.9 per game.

Team defensive rebounds: the presence of MALIQUE KILLING correlates to Muhlenberg increasing its defensive rebounds rate by 7.1 per game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 23, 2013, 08:40:46 PM
How in the world does F&M beat Dickenson 64-34 just last week and get beat 64-40 tonight? That is a 54 point turn-around! Really strange! Would love to hear from those who were there about the game!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 23, 2013, 09:15:56 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 23, 2013, 08:40:46 PM
How in the world does F&M beat Dickenson 64-34 just last week and get beat 64-40 tonight? That is a 54 point turn-around! Really strange! Would love to hear from those who were there about the game!
If you take what happened last week and reverse it you would have a pretty good understanding.
F&M was relying too heavily on trying to make 3s and then didn't get any rebounds.

Anyhow, congrats to Dickinson, make a run in the NCAAs for the Centennial!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 24, 2013, 08:34:39 AM
Will F&M get an NCAA at Large bid? I hope so as it would be a shame that it would end for those great seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2013, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 24, 2013, 08:34:39 AM
Will F&M get an NCAA at Large bid? I hope so as it would be a shame that it would end for those great seniors.

Probably not. But anything is possible.  If you look in the pool C board you'll see a pretty updated breakdown of teams that will be pool c. Plus there are to many teams ahead of them in the MidAtlantic regional rankings that lost that are ahead of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 24, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
DMJSports,

Interesting analysis.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2013, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 24, 2013, 08:34:39 AM
Will F&M get an NCAA at Large bid? I hope so as it would be a shame that it would end for those great seniors.

I would be pretty shocked if they did. That low in the regional rankings in any region is out of at-large contention, usually.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 24, 2013, 06:16:55 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on February 23, 2013, 08:40:46 PM
How in the world does F&M beat Dickenson 64-34 just last week and get beat 64-40 tonight? That is a 54 point turn-around! Really strange! Would love to hear from those who were there about the game!

A week ago Dickinson appeared to be rattled by the raucous environment in Mayser. Last night the Devils played with a chip on their shoulder, and F&M responded with little energy. All the bounces that went F&M's way a week ago went Dickinson's way. The lack of a reliable 3-point shooter again hurt F&M in a playoff game (Dips went 2-for-18 beyond the arc), continuing a theme of the past several years. I was surprised by the margin of F&M's win last week and thought it would only serve to pump up Dickinson this weekend. The Dips were too inconsistent to win the title this year.

The Centennial champ has advanced at least to the second round of NCAAs every year since 2007 (F&M four years, JHU and Ursinus once each). I think the Devils have the pieces to make a run -- depending on the draw -- but they'll need to bring the same energy they did last night. Their post-game celebration reminded me of Gettysburg and Ursinus when they upset F&M in Mayser in past CC finals, and those teams fell in the first round of NCAAs in games they should have won. So I'm wondering how Dickinson will respond in their next game after an emotional win on a hated rival's court.

Brewer, Gyokchyan and Beckford had terrific careers that included three CC titles. Best of luck to each of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 24, 2013, 08:11:07 PM
Thank you, that makes perfect sense. I hope Dickinson has a great tournament and represents the Centennial as well as F&M has the last few years.

Thank you all for taking the time and explaining the Centennial Conference to me over the last four years. It is with incredible sadness that it is all over as I have enjoyed this so much. The players, the coaches, the parents, and everyone has been great. I really can't believe how fast four years have flown by. It was just yesterday that the first jump ball went into the air at Swat. The end of the road has such a sad and final feeling to it, but this really is the end of the road. I wish I had one more year to enjoy but sadly no.

I will check in from time to time next year to see how things are going. The only thing left is all conference selections. God Speed all!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2013, 12:44:03 PM
Dickinson draws Marietta at home, a game the Devils have a good chance to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 25, 2013, 05:19:34 PM
Go Devils!  Hope they do well!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2013, 06:03:13 PM
McDaniel gets ECAC bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 26, 2013, 07:28:21 PM
Max Brewer named to National Good Works Team
http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/releases/20130226xr36z4
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 27, 2013, 11:13:49 AM
All Centennial Teams Announced this morning:

1st team
Zurn, Gburg
Honig, Dickinson
Gyokchyan, F&M
Wixted, Dickinson
Hargrove, Muhlenberg

2nd team
Killing, Muhlenberg
Porter, F&M
Krasna, Ursinus
Poarch, Washington College
Bugarinovic, Johns Hopkins
Salandra, F&M

Honorable Mention
Cohen, Haverford
Hammer, Johns Hopkins
Rudd, McDaniel
Baker, Haverford

Player of the Year – Hayk Gyokchyan F&M
Rookie of the Year – Malik Draper, Ursinus
Coach of the Year – Glenn Robinson, F&M

First team makes sense as those teams made the playoffs and typically teams are rewarded when they make the playoffs with players making all league.  Kind of shocked no Ward or Gates on any of the teams, but again, teams get rewarded when they win and get into the playoffs.  Another thing that surprised me was coach of the year.  Really surprised it didnt go to Seretti from Dickinson.  I think it is much more deserved for him and his staff than it is for Coach Robinson at F&M for the job he did this year.

Goodluck to Dickinson Saturday night.  I am hoping that they can make a run here through the tourny and keep it going for a couple more weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 27, 2013, 11:27:20 AM
i agree that robinson doesn't deserve coach of the year this season...dickinson wins conference, F&M underachieved...seems fairly clear.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 27, 2013, 11:40:45 AM
Swarthmore ignored as only team with no one on team even though they had #5 and #6 in scoring and moved up three places in standings. What a complete farce! The only team!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 27, 2013, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 27, 2013, 11:27:20 AM
i agree that robinson doesn't deserve coach of the year this season...dickinson wins conference, F&M underachieved...seems fairly clear.
I'm in agreement here with everyone else.
Why did Robinson get Coach of the Year?

Dickinson improved from last year while F&M fell.
The only thing I can think of is if they were voted for last week then maybe.... but still Dickinson was better then what most people thought.

Also, swat never gets any love. They seem like a red-headed step child of the CC. Hopefully next year they'll get some respect. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2013, 12:22:01 PM
I don't know if F&M underachieved.  My expectations were not that high after losing a person of Milligan's ability.  They definitely were inconsistent, but they won games they usually lost, for example Muhlenberg and McDaniel away.  At the beginning of the season, I thought 14-4 was a reasonable expectation for the league.  Coming into the season, you know Brewer would be an adequate point guard.  He won't turn the ball over often, he had experience, but he wasn't going to score many points.  Gyokchyan would get attention from all teams and their goal would be to shut him down.  Beckford would provide great defense, but limited offense.  The key to the season was going to be Porter and Salandra along with bench.  Injuries took care of most of the bench, especially the loss of Early.  F&M needed a 3-point threat as could be seen from the final performance against Dickinson-0 for 12 from the starters.  Freshman Krong never was able to get onto the court or Brahm due to injuries.  Hopefully, Krong can provide a 3-point presence next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 27, 2013, 12:27:39 PM
swat should have gotten some love from the conference (kober or gates).
as with everything in life, biases (conscious or unconscious) come into play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: shoreman55 on February 27, 2013, 12:53:54 PM
swat got snubbed on both accounts. how do they decide which teams have what players? seems interesting that second team got 6 players while honorable mention got 4. Just is strange that they didn't even add a 5th player to honorable mention, they just took one player up from honorable mention. got to imagine some serious self-esteem points were at stake.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2013, 12:56:35 PM
Having 6 players on Second Team usually indicates a tie in votes received.
Adding a 5th player to Honorable Mention might have been a problem if there were several players tied for the 16th spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on February 27, 2013, 12:58:36 PM
In addition, heard the F&M Athletic Trainer was Trainer of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2013, 01:34:32 PM
Nope, not trainer of the year for his work on F&M players, or they would have been back; but maybe for his work on Killing and Honig.  The first game against Muhlenberg at home, Killing kept going down with injuries but kept coming back.  Honig came back with a vengeance after an injury in the game the week before.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2013, 02:11:19 PM
As a heads-up for those who don't already know, the Bracket Challenge is out! Our friends at d3photography.com manage our official picks contests:

http://d3photography.com/bracket_challenge/

Playing for pride, which means student-athletes and department personnel can participate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 27, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
In my mind, Will Gates was clearly one of the 5 best players in the CC this year.  Going into the season, I thought he would be selected POY.  I don't  know what happened this year between him and his coach if anything----but there appeared to be a problem of some sort.  You don't go from being a star for three years and then being relegated to the bench.  Perhaps one of the reasons neither Will nor any of his teammates were selected to the CC All Conference team this year is connected to what Swarthmore did or did not do to promote them.  Wish we would have had him at Ursinus this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 27, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
Thanks Gabriel! Well said!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 27, 2013, 07:11:44 PM
dear swat dad,
cam baker and brett cohen from haverford clearly deserve to be on the all conference teams and to say they got it because of politics is truly unfair to them and the seasons they both had.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 27, 2013, 08:41:51 PM
Sorry, I didn't say it right. I apologize. How can both players from Swat not be in top 15? That is what I meant. If it is about winning, they won more than Haverford. That is what I tried to say.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 27, 2013, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 27, 2013, 11:27:20 AM
i agree that robinson doesn't deserve coach of the year this season...dickinson wins conference, F&M underachieved...seems fairly clear.

If the voting was the same as in past years, the ballots were due before the conference playoffs. So Dickinson winning on Saturday wouldn't have factored into the decision.

This was such a mediocre year for the CC that it's hard to say who deserved POY and COY. In other years, I can remember several players who deserved POY in the same season. This year, especially due to Wixted's injury, nobody seemed to rise to the top. Hayk was way too inconsistent to be POY in most years.

This is only the fifth year COY has been awarded, and Robinson has never won it. He might not have deserved it this year, but if it's based on the regular season, it was a close call. Interestingly, Alan Seretti won the COY in 2011 when F&M beat Dickinson for the CC title. Also, Robinson was arguably "shafted" out of the award in 2009 when it went to Kevin Curley after the Dips went from a laughingstock to first place and eventually a Final Four berth.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 27, 2013, 09:17:46 PM
rw
i think the voting for poy and coy should happen after the cc playoffs...then alot of these issue would be solved. i also agree this was a mediocre year in the conference. no truly standout teams. if wixted stayed healthy i think he would have been a worthy poy. zurn, who also got injured, might have led his team further into the playoffs. to me he is the most complete and impressive player in the conference.
swat dad
i think winning is part of the equation in the selections but players on losing teams also make it to the all conference list (poarch on second team for example).swat won a game more than haverford in the conference and lost one more than haverford overall.they both had poor records and ended up essentially equal this season...way at the bottom with very low winning percentages. swat, haverford and washington were in the cellar with fairly equal status in my opinion. but still, the better players should be recognized. washington had (1), haverford had (2), swat should have had players participating as well, without question.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2013, 07:38:29 AM
Great win for Dickinson last night, especially after being labeled by D3hoops.com as the team most likely to disappoint in the top-right bracket. It was also a very nice win for the Centennial, making this the seventh straight year a CC team has advanced to at least the second round of NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 03, 2013, 11:54:01 AM
And a fantastic showing by the Dickinson student community. When the Marietta players came out on the floor in front of the Dickinson crowd, they had little smiles on their faces, showing how much they enjoyed the energy.  When the visiting team is enjoying itself, you know it's good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
No surprise... Dickinson heads to Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 03, 2013, 11:09:59 PM
congrats to dickinson!!!
where has everyone gone on this board?
are we all rooting for our centennial conference champions?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 04, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
Dickinson played a terrific game on Saturday.  This week will be a tougher test, particularly in Ohio.  Go Devils!

I predict that Middlebury will be eliminated this week at Cortland.  Ursinus played four of the tournament teams this year including Dickinson twice.  Unfortunately, they didn't win any of the games but were very competitive against Middlebury, Staten Island and Dickinson (at Dickinson).  They were trounced by Cortland.  Cortland just might be the sleeper in this whole tournament.  They are very good, the best Ursinus played this year in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 04, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
For those of you that are not aware of the article in Sunday's New York Times about the DIII playoffs, you might want to pull it down and read it.  Coaches interviewed include Amherst and Brandeis.  Some like this year's drawn out format but it seems that most do not.  I do not!  Let's get back to Salem for the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2013, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 04, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
For those of you that are not aware of the article in Sunday's New York Times about the DIII playoffs, you might want to pull it down and read it.  Coaches interviewed include Amherst and Brandeis.  Some like this year's drawn out format but it seems that most do not.  I do not!  Let's get back to Salem for the finals.

If you missed it, it's in the What We're Reading box on the D3hoops.com home page.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 04, 2013, 09:01:20 PM
I sat down with Dickinson head coach Alan Seretti and junior guard Adam Honig after the Red Devils' victory over Marietta. You can see our interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBz5F4hgwYQ) here.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 11, 2013, 11:54:43 PM
i see dickinson was defeated handily by wooster, which i expected. i never thought they could get far in the post season. they play well with what they have but they don't have good enough players to go against legitimate D3 programs.
centennial conference, across the board, has to recruit better players in the conference in order to compete in the tourney.
we will see what next year brings.
happy trails all!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 12, 2013, 12:59:42 PM
Fortunately academics come first, but they cause all kind of recruiting problems.  F&M is waiting to see which recruits get accepted.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 12, 2013, 03:00:42 PM
I know the results didn't always bear it out this year, particularly during the regualar season, but Dickinson has some really nice pieces with Honig, Cox and Wixted.  That's a nice trio to build around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 12, 2013, 05:07:48 PM
I agree.  Dickinson will be tough again next year.  Wixted wasn't the same after his concussions.  Perhaps the off season will give him a chance to heal.  He was a non factor against Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 12, 2013, 05:32:30 PM
Dickinson should be the preseason favorite.
They have all the key pieces.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 14, 2013, 09:05:35 AM
hopefully we get some point guards in the conference...i think that is an area where we must improve
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 14, 2013, 08:41:58 PM
Hopefully, Jesse Krasna will have a great senior season.  He needs to dribble less and look down the court more and he will be fine.  Already looking forward to next year for the Bears after three poor seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 18, 2013, 11:36:10 AM
No doubt, the NESCAC has the bragging rights this year.  Three of the elite eight from one conference is quite an achievement.  My guess is St Thomas and Amherst in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jhu on March 22, 2013, 11:16:23 PM
Congrats to Florida Gulf Coast University and Eagles' head coach Andy Enfield, a 1991 Johns Hopkins graduate, on their win over second-seeded Georgetown tonight.  Enfield is the all-time leading scorer in JHU history with more than 2,000 career points and is one of the great all-time free throw shooters in NCAA history (.925).  Enfield has been at FGCU for two years after serving as an assistant at Florida State.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 23, 2013, 08:04:39 AM
His wife ain't bad either!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 25, 2013, 10:47:26 AM
Hayk Gyokchyan was awarded NABC 3d Team All-American honors!

Congrats to a player I enjoyed watching for four years. As a freshman one of my friends noted that Hayk had a nose for the ball, meaning being in the right place at the right time & doing the best thing (uncommon in a Freshman) and I had to agree. His development was a pleasure to watch thereafter, perhaps peaking as a Junior in the NCAA E8 run as most eyes and defenses were all over Georgio Milligan. His senior year featured numerous 30 & 40 point games, which came less often as team focused more effort on containing Hayk. His single handed comeback in the final 90 seconds against the Mules in the CC Semiifinal was a final impressive feat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on April 25, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
Interesting site for new recruits-- http://d3recruits.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 25, 2013, 12:59:57 PM
Reserved,

It is an interesting site.  In noticed your Dips recruited a 6'8" forward from Princeton.  I started following it about a week ago and note that not all CC teams are listed.  My Ursinus Bears, for instance, are not listed but I am sure they have been recruiting aggressively as usual.  Makes me wonder how they get their input. 

In watching the D1 playoffs I noticed that several teams played with two point guards on the floor at the same time.  Louisville and Michigan for example.  Given that many teams are now using a  dribble-drive offense now.  Do you suppose D3 will move in that direction too?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 25, 2013, 02:52:18 PM
I have seen several teams over the years using two point guards, per se, in Division III. St. Mary's over the years has employed two guards even this past year the 2-guard was their point guard last season and such. Amherst basically had two points out there, even though they tended to run the ball through Toomey, when he was taken out of the play (i.e. North Central's defense) or they were trying something different, the ball ran through the other guard.

If anything, Division III tends to have the most variety in terms of defensive and offensive ideas and game plans... so seeing two point guards on the floor at the same time isn't that surprising, IMHO.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on June 15, 2013, 08:22:51 AM
http://d3recruits.blogspot.com/

I like the idea of this web site but it hasn't provided much information lately.  Much like Bill Belichick, coaches hate to give out too much information.   Does any one have any recruiting information regarding the CC.  Been quiet lately
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on June 17, 2013, 12:19:32 PM
The players listed for F&M on the site are not correct.  The one player couldn't swing the cost, so he's going else where.  I guess that's why coaches don't say much.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on June 17, 2013, 12:55:30 PM
Reserved,

Glad you are alive and well.  Hopefully we will meet in person this year.  I think my Bears will be more competitive going forward.  Coach Small wants to return to a more guard oriented offense.   Hopefully they can play like 2005, 2006 and 2008---fast paced and lots of threes.  Key will be improved defense, rebounding and much better shooting.  We will have two juniors returning who did not play last year----Jermaine Kamara and Trey Harry.  Sounds like we will have five freshmen---if they all materialize.  Bears played short handed last year playing with only ten players after they lost Kamara & Harry.  This year it looks like we will have fourteen, a big squad for Coach Small.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on June 17, 2013, 06:41:10 PM
No one will say F&M has a soft schedule after the new schedule is released.  It should be an interesting year, as F&M still is looking for a point guard.
Brewer did a great job of ball handling, but he wasn't an offense threat.  F&M, also, has two players back who didn't play last year--Joe Krong and Xavier Braham.  Both sat out last year with ACL damage.  Hopefully, both will be healthy this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 10, 2013, 08:26:06 AM

Nice to see Jon Ward win yet another award for being a terrific student athlete

http://www.ursinusathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130709d0zor6
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on July 11, 2013, 09:53:38 PM
Congratulations to Jon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 17, 2013, 10:58:23 AM
Reserved,

You said the F&M schedule for next season looks to be more difficult than recent years.  How so? The Ursinus schedule is posted.  The seven non conference games are against Marymount, Eastern, Colgate, two TBDs at the Messiah tip off tournament and two TBDs at the New Years  Roanoke tournament.  We don't know who the other two teams are in either of the tournaments. 

D1 Colgate will probably be challenge to say the least but we should be competitive with Eastern and Marymount.  The two tournaments are unknowns except for Ursinus and the host teams.  Seems to be an easier schedule than the last two years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on July 18, 2013, 08:32:42 PM
I was waiting for F&M to officially publish their schedule but some of the top teams are Hobart, St. Mary's, Middlebury, and I forget if they say Alvernia or Albright.
Hopefully, the schedule will come out soon.  Marymount has struggled recently, which surprises me since I expected  coach Chris Rogers to turn the program around. Rogers had done a great job at F&M with his recruiting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 18, 2013, 09:59:33 PM
Reserved,

That would seem to be a more difficult schedule for the Dips.  The question is are the games at home or on the road.  As we all know, GRob does not like to travel.

Ursinus typically plays one of the NESCAC schools each year, but not this year.  NESCAC schools don't like to travel to PA so the Bears must travel to them and that is tough on their limited budget.  Hence, the shorter trips to Messiah and Roanoke this year.

It will be interesting to see who the other tournament participants are.  The hosts will probably want to play Ursinus first game based on the past three years.  I hope so----they might be surprised.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on July 19, 2013, 02:27:19 PM
I assume most of them will be at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 19, 2013, 04:52:01 PM
Reserved,

You seem to be surviving the heat----stay cool.   I live in New England and it is hot here too----89 in Newport today and 100 in Boston where my Red Sox take on the Yankees tonight.  I am looking forward to hoops season.  I think you will see a much tougher Bears team this year.  I depends on how well they mesh as a team.  The Dips will still be the team to beat with Dickinson, Muhlenberg and JHU as strong contenders. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 01, 2013, 02:15:08 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on July 18, 2013, 09:59:33 PM
Reserved,

That would seem to be a more difficult schedule for the Dips.  The question is are the games at home or on the road.  As we all know, GRob does not like to travel.

Ursinus typically plays one of the NESCAC schools each year, but not this year.  NESCAC schools don't like to travel to PA so the Bears must travel to them and that is tough on their limited budget.  Hence, the shorter trips to Messiah and Roanoke this year.

It will be interesting to see who the other tournament participants are.  The hosts will probably want to play Ursinus first game based on the past three years.  I hope so----they might be surprised.

Not sure the statement about NESCAC travel is true... Amherst has been known to travel around the country including Maryland (women's team has been to Vegas often), Williams was on the west coast last season, Middlebury will be in Maryland the second weekend of the season and I have seen other NESCACs travel quite a bit more than that. Sure, everyone likes a home game, but I would not say NESCAC teams don't like to travel to PA.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 12, 2013, 10:07:48 PM
F&M's schedule is posted.
http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2013-14/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 09, 2013, 06:31:26 AM

Folks -

Greetings once again to all Diplomat fans and other Centennial Conference fans as well. Well, in just over two months the season will begin and in just over one month practice will start. This room has been very very quiet for quite some lengthy period of time. Let's get the buzz started again! What is the news from around the Centennial Conference? Any word on the outcome of everyone's recruiting efforts? I await your responses.

Welcome back! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 09, 2013, 09:17:07 PM
Lior Levy seems to be an adequate big man for F&M.  Still looking for someone to step up at point guard--looks like it's Rogo's job to hold or lose.  Braham is back after an ACL injury and looking strong.  Krong is, also, looking healthy.  Haven't seen most of the players shooting around yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: madzillagd on September 24, 2013, 12:41:50 PM
Looks like the "We Are D3" documentary is now available online for renting/buying....

http://vimeo.com/ondemand/kurtdocs
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 24, 2013, 01:31:20 PM
Cool!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 24, 2013, 01:50:33 PM
The film is really good. I got a chance to see it at the premiere in Easton, Md. at the Chesapeake Film Festival. Many of the guys from the team along with Coach Nugent were in attendance.

I did some interviews while there and will feature it as part of a special Hoopsville in the near future - as soon as I get it all edited together.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 07, 2013, 08:36:56 PM
Centennial Conference doesn't start until Oct. 22.  Does any other conference start at a later date?  Is this a disadvantage to CC members when they play the early non-conference games?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on October 07, 2013, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on October 07, 2013, 08:36:56 PM
Centennial Conference doesn't start until Oct. 22.  Does any other conference start at a later date?  Is this a disadvantage to CC members when they play the early non-conference games?
There's actually a thread over in multi-regional topics about this:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8050.0

NESCAC schools don't start until 11/1.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 07, 2013, 08:44:49 PM
NESCAC starts on November 1... and to be fair, basketball gets about the longest head start on a season as any sport. The field hockey, soccers and others of the world get ten days before their first game... even with two-a-days, which wouldn't happen every day especially closer to game day... that is maybe 20 practices. If teams start on Oct. 15 at the earliest, they have 26 practices (considering they only practice six days a week) and that doesn't count if they get together in the mornings for cardio type stuff.

Personally... wouldn't mind seeing basketball cut back on the start date for practices... but D1 moved two weeks earlier... so this is probably a lost cause.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 07, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
Sounds like it would be great if all the teams started on the same date.  November 1st would be fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 07, 2013, 09:04:46 PM
Well all teams are allowed to start on Oct. 15... unless conferences (CC and NESCAC) or schools feel otherwise.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 11, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
In its preseason poll,  D III News ranks Dickinson #16 and F&M #21 nationally.  In the conference, they pick Dickinson, F&M and Muhlenberg to finish in that order.  Player of the Year pick in the CC is Kevin Hargrove.  I can't argue with any of the predictions.  Just hope my Bears upset the crystal ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 12, 2013, 02:38:47 PM
Don't know if I agree with Hargrove as POY, but Dickinson should be the team to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 12, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
I think it is more likely to be Wixted or Honig, however, Hargrove was a force last year and now plays like he is 6'10".  I suppose Salandra is a candidate and, perhaps, Killing.  Think it depends on which team has the most success,

Ursinus' non conference schedule this year does not seem to be as challenging as previous years with the exception Colgate on December 22.  Mike McGarvey is an assistant at Colgate, hence the connection.  The other opponents are Hartwick and either Messiah or Rosemont at the Messiah Tip Off, then Marymount at home, at Eastern and finally William Peace and either Roanoke or Immaculata at the Roanoke College New Years Tourney.  Very likely, all the games will be challenging for Ursinus this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: shoreman55 on October 15, 2013, 09:54:48 PM
can you please post a link to this preseason preview
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 16, 2013, 08:14:59 AM
http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home.html

The link, however, be aware that this is a subscription service
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on October 21, 2013, 09:33:36 AM
at 6'10 in this conference (few legitimate bigs) hargrove should be POY, but i am a huge wixted fan. he is a horse night in and night out...reliable, tough, plays the game simply. without him, dickinson is not nearly the same team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 21, 2013, 04:43:24 PM
Practice starts tomorrow, Go Bears!

Ursinus returns seniors Jesse Krasna, Ryan Adams and Pat Vasturia as well as juniors Mike Marciano, Trey Harry and Jermaine Kamara, and sophomores Trevor Norton, Mark Wonderling and Malik Draper.  Kamara and Harry rejoin the team after not playing last season.

Ursinus was obviously short handed last season with only 10 players in uniform.  This year, barring injury or other issues, they will likely dress 14 with the 9 returnees joined by 5 freshmen.  The freshmen are John Kanas (6'2" guard from Souderton), Matt Knowles (6'2" guard from Scranton Prep), Steve Leonard (6'6" guard from Perkiomen Valley), Patrick Mekongo Mbla (6'7" forward from Pope John XXIII) and Hanif Sutton (5'10" point guard from Neumann Goretti).

It may take a while for the team to jell, but we know they will play hard.  Krasna, Adams and Draper will likely be the leaders and we will just have to wait and see who else will emerge as major contributors.  This year, I think they will be much better defensively, will take better care of the ball and will shoot better.  It think they will be guard oriented again like the championship Ursinus teams of the past. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2013, 12:39:17 PM
What about Washington College?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on November 04, 2013, 01:43:20 PM
Thanks Ronk!

With the season right around the corner, let me stir up some talk with my pre-season predictions!
1. Franklin & Marshall (15-3) - Still have depth in the bigs and look for Rogo and Lee to have monster seasons. With Beckford gone there is no one to pick on. Can't see them losing that much in the Dip Zone.
2. Muhlenberg (14-4) – Love the experience this team has with seniors Hargrove and Curry. We all know by now how dangerous Killing can be. Btw he is only half way through his career!
3. Johns Hopkins (11-7) – Most surprising team last year with the jump that Hammer made. Their lack of scoring could prevent them from hosting the CC tournament.
4. Dickinson (11-7)- Very talented however I don't believe they have the depth in the front court to keep up with the top 3 teams. I predict for them to have a roller coaster season but play well down the stretch.
5. McDaniel (8-10) – toughness! Lead by the bigs Cranwell and Pupelis (most underrated player in the CC). The question is ...can the guards score ?
6. Ursinus (7-11)- Just too young right now. Can draper play well the entire season? Can krasna be a leader? Have yet to win a playoff game since Shattuck!
7. Washington College (7-11)- Be ready to see a MUCH improved team. Will have big wins that will shock people especially when you have a playmaker like Poarch.
9. Haverford (5-13) - The loss of Cam Baker is going to be heart breaking for the Fords. Cohen will help this team be competitive.
8. Gettysburg (5-13) – Even though the staff has brought in some good young talent (Keifer, Kirkpatrick, and Amolo). Their system seems to only be effective when they have upperclassman. Be on the lookout for them in the years to come but they will struggle this season.
10. Swarthmore (2-16)- Lost the best player in school history. Interested to see how successful they are without Coach Wimberly's players.

First Round
Dickinson 82 McDaniel 53

Semi Finals
Dickinson 61 F&M 58
Muhlenberg 74 JHU 71

Championship
Muhlenberg 88 Dickinson 81

1st Team All CC
Wixted, Hargrove, Killing, Lee, Draper

2nd Team All CC
Salandra, Pupelis, Honig, Poarch, Hammer

Comeback Player of the Year
Gordon Rogo (F&M)

Defensive Player Of the Year
Kevin Hargrove (Muhlenberg)

Rookie of the Year
John Hunter (Muhlenberg)

Coach of the Year
Bill Nelson (Johns Hopkins)

Player of the Year
Gerry Wixted (Dickinson)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 04, 2013, 06:30:02 PM
For F&M to finish first, they will need to find a go-to person during crunch time.  F&M has a lot of solid role players, but lack a definitive leader.  Porter possesses the skills to be the potential leader.  He plays shut down defense and has the ability to hit the three.  Last year he got into foul trouble too often early in the game and sat for long periods.  Salandra and Early have solid big man skills and can cover for each other if one has an off night.  Lee has the potential to be the key player when he plays under control. Rogo will need to prove he's capable of playing the point to mesh the skills of the other four.  If Rogo has 'the monster season'(CCHOOPS12), F&M will be hard to beat.  Dickinson and Muhlenberg have more than enough talent to content with F&M.
Actually with Muhlenberg, I fear Curry more than Killing.  You can get in Killing's head and cause him to have an off night when he tries to do too much.  However once Killing gets his confidence in a game, he becomes hard to stop.  Nelson always has JH ready to play.  Haverford, also, always play hard against F&M.  Draper showed a lot of potential for Ursinus and should give Ursinus a shot to win in many games.  They will need more depth than last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 05, 2013, 11:49:38 AM
Anyone heading to the DipZone for the Dips scrimmage vs Messiah Friday night? I went last year, I think at Messiah, and it was a really solid, well coached scrimmage. Messiah seems to return a ton of people and get back the MAC most likely POY Fernandez who missed all of last year. Not sure what happened. Interesting to see what the Dips look like Friday. I also drove down to see Dickinson. I think they will be a top 2 team in the CC. Well coached and Wixted is the best player in the Conference and Honig is so tough. Will be a fun season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2013, 12:12:42 PM
I think some people may be surprised with Dickinson... and F&M has lost a lot in the last few years, with a tougher schedule (which I think is great for the program) they will either struggle or be battled tested for the conference. However, I am just not betting on the Diplomats to finish on top of the conference this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 05, 2013, 12:46:58 PM
Of course, I'll be at the F&M scrimmage unless I'm potentially fatally sick.  Having not missed a home game in over 25 year and having seen every tip-off and New's Year tournament game involving F&M since they started, I should be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 07, 2013, 08:01:12 PM
What time is the F&M - Messiah scrimmage Friday?

Interesting will be to see the possible solutions to the point guard Achilles heel the team could have. Rogo or the only PG listed on the roster rookie Jared Wright who I have hopes to be a good player at least eventually.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 07, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
The scrimmage is suppose to start at 7.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on November 09, 2013, 11:13:31 AM
Really excited for the season to get underway next wknd for a lot of teams..being a UC backer i am anxious to see how this team competes in the centennial this year w/ the core being mostly younger guys.  I think they are a year or two away from really getting back to competing for a league championship.  I think the freshman Sutton is going to step in and start at PG right away and will be more of the traditional PG looking to distribute first and be much less of a scorer but able to find open guys, hopefully take care of the ball, and get them into offense.  Unfortunately i dont think he has the outside shot to keep the D honest and most of his scoring will likely come in transition or late shot clock drives.  Obviously Draper is expected to have a bigger role this season for the bears but I think a player who goes unnoticed is Adams; much more of a natural wing player he's had to kind of step into a different position playing more of a 4 last year than a 3 and will likely have to do that again this year for them.  Another freshman that will probably have to play out of necessity is the kid from Cameroon just b/c lack of depth at the F position... Checking their roster recently I noticed that Kamara is no longer on it.  Does anyone know what is going on here?  I was under the impression he was back on the team and playing this year from Gabriel's recent post....Gabriel do you have any info on this?  If he is off the team this would really hurt the bears this season...also a player to watch out for this year if he improved in the offseason is Norton..showed glimpses last year and could be a solid contributer this season

Lastly, my thoughts on CCHOOPS12 predictions...i do like the top 3/4 teams..i just respectfully disagree with F&M being the top pick this year..They have arguable the top 2 players in the league in Wixted and Honig.  They have the experience from winning it last year and got great experience in the NCAA tourney..I just dont see how they cant be the favorite this year to win it again  If they can solidify home court for the playoffs, the Kline Center is a tough place to play and i dont see them losing. Another note from looking over their roster is the fact that Gurney is back.  If he returns and plays like he did before his injury it would be a huge lift for this Dickinson team
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2013, 12:46:14 PM
Hoopguru

All I know about Jermaine Kamara is that he is no longer a student at Ursinus and, thus not on the team.

It is unfortunate, because with him, at 6'9" 240 pounds they had a force in the middle and now they do not.  With him, I believe, they were a top 4 team in the conference with a chance to win it all.  Without him, they will have a hard time competing with the big, physical teams such as Muhlenberg and JHU.  As a freshman, Kamara defended both Hayk and Jerry W very well and he only got bigger and better.  He was an intimidating force in the middle and I had projected him to the a 10/10 player this year----10 points and 10 rebounds per game.  But----that is not to be.

Ursinus' guard play will be their strength this year.  Sutton is a player and will play lots of minutes at the point---perhaps alongside Krasna.  He is a top notch defender and ball handler.  Three point shooting will be a strength this year for Ursinus as well as team speed and athleticism.   However, unless Marciano decides he wants to work and compete this year, the Bears will have a tough time defending the post.  Thus far, he has not shown the inclination so I am not holding my breath.  Should be in the fight for the #5 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 09, 2013, 01:23:36 PM
How was the F&M scrimmage last night? Anyone see any other action or know of any going on today?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 09, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
Scrimmage at F&M was a little disappointing.  Jon Salandra scored well, but picked up numerous fouls.  Fortunately no one was allowed to foul out.  Ed Early sat out, but should be ready for opening night.  Cedric Moune looked good early, but seemed to tire without having Early to sub in.  Morgan and Porter struggled offensively.  Porter looked good defensively.  Play from the point was adequate but ragged.  Subs didn't get to play much until the 3rd half.  Stefan Toskovic shot exceptionally well, and Jared Wright displayed a lot of speed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 09, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
Did FnM control the game? How is Messiah. Would I be wrong assuming FnM was the better team? Interested to see how the CC shapes up at the top.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 09, 2013, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 09, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
Scrimmage at F&M was a little disappointing.  Jon Salandra scored well, but picked up numerous fouls.  Fortunately no one was allowed to foul out.  Ed Early sat out, but should be ready for opening night.  Cedric Moune looked good early, but seemed to tire without having Early to sub in.  Morgan and Porter struggled offensively.  Porter looked good defensively.  Play from the point was adequate but ragged.  Subs didn't get to play much until the 3rd half.  Stefan Toskovic shot exceptionally well, and Jared Wright displayed a lot of speed.

Thank you RS, appreciated!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 10, 2013, 07:46:57 PM
i give credit to dickinson coaching staff for their success. i think wixted is mvp material.but if muhenberg had dickinson coaching they could possibly win (hargrove, killing, curry). i think those coaches would turn everyone into a better player and certainly force everyone to buy into a system. with f&m no longer dominant, i feel dickinson and muhlenberg are in good shape this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 13, 2013, 05:37:10 PM
I didn't see any real surprises in the preseason picks for the CC.  I thought Muhlenberg might have gotten a little more love.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 14, 2013, 06:59:04 PM
Robinson's view on F&M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWFol8ddd2U&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 15, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Here is the Lancaster Newspaper article on F&M's season preview.

http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/919101_MEN-S-COLLEGE-BASKETBALL-PREVIEW--Franklin---Marshall-players-of-a-mind-to-continue-successful-streak.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 15, 2013, 06:42:45 PM
alvernia up by two, at half .  Midd looks pretty good at rebounding. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: madzillagd on November 15, 2013, 06:50:33 PM
Reverse that, Midd is up by 2.

Midd has a 15 board advantage but hasn't really done a great job of utilizing their length on offense.  They've snagged a lot of offensive rebounds but missed a lot of easy looks around the basket.  Alvernia is only 8-24 from the floor and if they can start hitting some shots this could be a fun 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 15, 2013, 07:47:34 PM
Nice win for Mid, considering its right out of the gate, the all American pg always looks good out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 15, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
Middlebury is reminiscent of MIT's good teams with tons of height and great spot up outside shooters. Bennett and Parker looked like nice players for Alvernia.

In 2 earlier CC games against favored and respected competition Ursinus lost to Hartwick ('wick featuring former Dip Matt Wilson starting), but The Fords made an impression on perennial Empire 8 power Ithaca with a 10 point triumph. The CC could be tougher than usually given credit for this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 15, 2013, 09:05:20 PM
hammer went off for 36 for hopkins,brett cohen of haverford off to a great start tonight against ithaca, as well as freshman guard matt sherman from the local philly area.
ursinus continues to struggle, fm seems to lack a true offensive threat in their guards.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 15, 2013, 10:44:09 PM
Ugly game for F&M.
Highlights--Jon Salandra overall hustle
                 Terrel Phelps 3-point threat
                 Good hustle off the bench
Lowlights--ED EARLY'S INJURY
                Foul shooting-horrendous
                Lack of offense from key players
                Too many fouls
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 16, 2013, 08:02:17 AM
Ugly game for Ursinus too.  Fell behind by 17 in the first half and never could recover, losing by 16 to a veteran and very good Hartwick team.

Krasna and Marciano did not play due to injuries.  Played 11 players including 5 freshmen and 3 sophomores-----and it showed.  Very inconsistent----not having Krasna, their best player hurt.  This Bears team likes to run, but you can't do much of that unless you rebound better.  Clearly, the loss of Krasna and Kamara hurt them.  The good news is, Krasna will be back.

Today against Rosemont at noon----hope they play better.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 16, 2013, 05:23:50 PM
Rosemont not a pushover anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 16, 2013, 07:26:00 PM
Diplo-nightmare. It is possible that F&M will not make the CC playoffs with what looks like a lengthy/permanent and critical loss of the talented Ed Early. Dips have nobody that could do what he could inside. How they stuck with and should have beaten Alvernia was stunning, with the loss to fouls of Salandra, Moune & Krong (while I believe Alvernia lost one player to 5 fouls, but they were much deeper with little drop-off). The foul shooting in this game was close to the worst I've ever seen by both teams. Dips made up for making a higher % by being abysmal in the clutch.

One good point was Phelps looked like a real reasonable PG, magnitudes better than anything he had shown in his first 2 years. Until this team figures out how to win (cut down on turnovers & make free throws, after all they are free) they will lose most of their games.
I don't see a game where I would make them the favorite until the seventh game against Ursinus & they could be 0-6 by then. If Early were healthy I think they could have been a respectable 4-2 to show how much I think his tragic loss effects the games . I think this team as it stands now is in for a rough season.

My CC order now would be 1. Dickinson (clearly the team to beat) 2. Muhlenberg 3. JHU 4. Haverford 5/6. F&M/Ursinus 7/8 G-burg/McD 9. WC 10. SWAT
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 16, 2013, 09:48:39 PM
DB,

Don't jump to any conclusions about the Dips this early.  GRob will get the them together. All teams have bumps to get over.

Also, don't jump to any conclusions about Ursinus.  They played both games without their best player, Jesse Krasna.  He will be back soon.  I think Kras has a nagging ankle injury.  I don't know what Marciano's injury is.  Also, a promising freshman, John Kanas, is just back from illness and did not play much.   Would they have beaten Hartwick with Kras, probably not.  Would they have beaten Rosemont with him----I think so.  They led the whole game until the two minute mark and could not close it out.  Because of their youth, Ursinus will have many ups and downs this year but will be formidable in February.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 18, 2013, 10:26:55 AM
Tough weekend for the CC. 7-13 overall. Some losses that stand out

FnM to Baruch
Ursinus to Rosemont
Getysburg to PSU Harrisburg

I am betting only 1 team from the CC gets to the NCAA's. Although early to jump to conclusions, just an opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on November 18, 2013, 10:56:49 AM
Red Devils and Mules were very impressive this weekend. Too bad we can't see them match up until late Jan. I am not worried about FnM till they lose a CC game. They have deserved that. Don't read too much into JHU loss as Wesley is a VERY talented team. When will Krasna be back? Where is Merlo for MCD and Gordon for the Bullets?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 18, 2013, 07:11:15 PM
the CSAC conference has been getting a little stronger the past few years, don't know how Rosemont won nor how Baptist Bible won.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2013, 08:57:49 PM
Rosemont now coached by one of the most underrated assistant coaches in this conference... so no surprise they are improving quickly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
It also helps when you have city boys playing together, and local high school players together . Rosemont is on the up... perhaps the CSAC is feeling the pressure to win since some teams at the top have gotten deeper.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2013, 09:36:57 PM
Well-rounded game by F&M--well-balanced offense, decent defense.
Scoring Moune 15, Porter 13, Krong 12, Phelps 14, and Salandra 12.
Moune had 14 rebounds and 5 blocks.
Keystone had no height, but very athletic. They relied too much on the three and spreading the defense and allowing one player to drive.  Well little team offense
Foul shooting still a problem 11/21 and need to take care of the ball better on offense--too many turnovers.
Looked like a much different team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 20, 2013, 08:54:53 AM
Interesting, wondering how positive or negative the coaching change at Keystone influenced the game flow despite their lack of height.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on November 20, 2013, 09:35:25 AM
Mules are going to be tough to beat if their 2 freshman played like they did last night....Killing looks like he has picked up where he left off last year and has lived in the weight room this summer
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on November 22, 2013, 01:51:28 PM
11/23 Picks
Haverford- 62 Dickinson- 72 (Fords might not be as bad as I thought but not enough in this one)
F&M- 49 MCD- 42 (It's gonna be a sloppy/ slow slug fest, MCD has no offensive weapons to pull this upset off)
Ursinus 55 JHU 63 (My eye is on gene williams in this game)
Mules 82 Washington 51 (Mules just look dangerous early in the year)

What do others predict? Who is keeping standings?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on November 22, 2013, 07:35:53 PM
Picks for 11/23
Dickinson over Haverford - Dickinson pulls away in 2nd half at home
McDaniel over F&M - Taking McDaniel at home in low scoring game, tough place to play
Hopkins over Ursinus - Tough road game to start for UC in league play, not sure if they will be able to handle lack of inside game
Muhlenburg over Washington - Tough gym to play in, but Muhlenburg should be able to win
Swat over Gburg - Giving the edge to home team in this one

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 22, 2013, 09:52:26 PM
Dickinson--have the horses
F&M - -upset possible--F&M has trouble in Westminister
Hopkins --building on last year's performance
Muhlenburg --solid team
Gettysburg--possible 9/10 game--unless they have some talented freshmen both will struggle this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on November 22, 2013, 10:37:42 PM
Dickinson-they're the ones to beat currently
F&M- they should pull it out
Hopkins
Muhles
Gburg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 23, 2013, 09:55:18 AM
I just hate to bring really sad news about Swat and their senior co-captain and point guard Jordan Federer. His foot was turned 180 degrees around in Swat's first game and he is out for the year. He is a great kid and a terrific competitor. They graduated their backup point guard and used Kober as point against Ithaca College (not his position). I am not sure where they go without him as he was a 37 minutes a game guy. Kober and Barkley will have to do even more now and Kober will now have the best defender on him every night. Swat has a promising freshman but without their point guard,  this season just got a bit tougher.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on November 23, 2013, 12:06:43 PM
And I will take gburg...Kirkpatrick is impressive early on
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 23, 2013, 05:33:24 PM
F&M survived another physical game in Westminster.  Phelps helped F&M a 5-point half-time deficit, as he seems to be a true 3-point threat.  Jon Salandra picked up 8 blocks including 3 on one possession.  With all the physical play under F&M's basket, F&M had trouble getting the ball inside and had to rely on Lee to put rebounds back up.  Lee(15 points) played his best game of the season.  F&M continues to struggle at the foul line(15/28).  Salandra was in foul trouble and was in and out of the game.  Porter continues to play good defense, and Moune continues to fill in well as a starter.  Stewart and Cranwell got away with a lot of physical play, but enough fouls were called to keep them a little in foul trouble.  Brooks was a legitimate threat as shooter and required constant shadowing.  Great to get out of SWestminster with a win, hopefully no return trip is needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 23, 2013, 08:28:50 PM
congrats to washington college on a great OT win over mules...pat morgan, son of haverford women's coach, had a strong game for WC. Swat gets win, Ursinus still struggling, F&M gets win but seems to be part of the pack this season. dickinson wins on bigs dominating inside against another season of undersized haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 25, 2013, 11:01:12 PM
swat dad,
i agree that it's a shame to see a player go down in their senior year. best of luck to jordan federer to get healthy,  and in all his future endeavors. congrats on all his achievements.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 26, 2013, 06:22:47 AM

Folks -

I am glad that the season is finally here! After four games, I am just now getting around to making a few picks. Here they are for tomorrow night (Tuesday, November 26):

McDaniel @ Washington:  Shoremen - Chesterton is always a tough place to play. Should be a close game.
Swarthmore @ Ursinus:  Bears win a close one at home on the strength of guard play.
Haverford @ Muhlenberg:  Home team wins in the cavernous "Mule Barn".
Dickinson @ Gettysburg:  Devils win on the road.
Hopkins @ Franklin & Marshall:  Should be a low scoring grind-it-out defensive match with a physical war inside. I will take the Dips in another close one.

All in all, four home teams and one road team chosen! I saw the Dips play in Westminster but won't get to see either of their next two contests.

Good luck to all!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 26, 2013, 06:24:38 AM

Happy Thanksgiving and safe holiday travels to all! Enjoy "Turkey Day". Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on November 26, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
As everyone that knows D3 basketball this night is the worst for road teams. The "Tuesday before thanksgiving" game. That's why I am going with all the home teams tonight in the CC.

McDaniel @ Washington: Impressed how they were able to win on Sat with very little from Poarch. Is it real?
Swarthmore @ Ursinus: I would be really disappointed if Coach Small can't get this team to pull off this win at home
Haverford @ Muhlenberg: look for a big night from the Mule "Bigs"
Dickinson @ Gettysburg: Upset of the night, look for gburg to keep this game low scoring
Hopkins @ Franklin & Marshall: Can phelps keep it up? I like Salandra to have a big game tonight.

Happy Turkey Day!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 26, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
Washington--always a challenge at Chesterton
Ursinus--long season if they lose
Muhlenberg--too many weapons for the mules, but Hargrove needs to step up to make all-conference
Dickinson--shouldn't be close
Franklin & Marshall--stop the Hammer
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on November 26, 2013, 05:34:44 PM
I'm on the same line as everyone else here:
Washington
Ursinus
Muhlenberg
Dickinson
F&M

If Im picking the game to watch, it'd be F&M/Hop!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 26, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Another ugly game for F&M.  After rushing out to a 17-5 lead, F&M collapsed offensively and defensively, while John Hopkins cruised to a 79-61 victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 26, 2013, 10:44:30 PM
seems now like top four teams might be dickinson, muhlenberg, hopkins and f&m.
ursinus, f&m and haverford beat handily tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on November 27, 2013, 09:05:02 AM
can't wait for jhu at mules on dec 7th...jhu looks like a deep and balanced team( I could easily see the CC playoffs being hosted in Baltimore) and Killing looks like a more "complete" player than in the past. Ursinus is in some serious trouble...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 27, 2013, 10:00:39 AM
I can't find a way that the CC playoffs miss Dickinson and Muhlenberg and end up in Bmore. Not impossible but I would be shocked. Deep and solid team Hopkins has. Still don't think they can beat Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 30, 2013, 01:00:59 AM

Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving and that they survived "Black Friday" if they were out making the shopping rounds!

Here are my picks for this weekend:

Saturday, November 30

St. Mary's @ F&M:  St. Mary's (this hurts for those of us who bleed blue).
Swarthmore @ Bryn Athyn:  Swarthmore (just a guess as I know nothing about the Garnet's opponent).
JHU @ Pamona-Pitzer:  Pamona-Pitzer (wanted to take the Blue Jays but think that the cross-country trip east to west will be a factor).

Sunday, December 1

Eastern @ McDaniel:  Eastern

Let's see if I have any better luck with these predictions! Good luck to all. Enjoy the games. Regards,

Eric


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 30, 2013, 09:41:21 AM






Saturday, November 30

St. Mary's(can't believe I'm typing this), but still hoping for the upset.
Swarthmore
JHU

Sunday, December 1

Eastern
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 30, 2013, 05:19:37 PM
F&M handed the game to St. Mary's with 20 turnovers most of them on errant passes to no one.  F&M had the ball in their possession with 22 seconds left behind by 1 and didn't get a decent shot, and then turned the ball over twice in the last 12 seconds.

St. Mary's did not look like a top 25 team.  This team did not compare to previous years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2013, 12:35:57 AM
Sounds clearly like SMC had an off night... because they are a Top 25 team from what I saw last weekend... in fact I have them Top 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 01, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
St Mary's may have played down to a level of play of the other team or knew they could turn it up a notch when needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Which players for SMU make them a top 10 team?  No one stood out.  F&M defense was in their face all night, and no one stepped up.  SMU seemed to make no adjustments to their offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2013, 12:19:39 AM


I will not get to see the Diplomats play again until Saturday when they are on the road at Haverford. Sounds like they had a much better defensive effort against St. Mary's.

The following are my predictions for the games on Tuesday evening, December 3:

Ursinus @ F&M:  F&M.

Washington @ Haverford:  Haverford at home.

Dickinson @ McDaniel:  Dickinson

Gettysburg @ Johns Hopkins:  JHU, even though they had a long flight back east this weekend.

Muhlenberg@ Swarthmore:  Might be a close game. However, I will take the Mules.

Good luck to all. Enjoy the games! Regards,

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2013, 12:29:10 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Which players for SMU make them a top 10 team?  No one stood out.  F&M defense was in their face all night, and no one stepped up.  SMU seemed to make no adjustments to their offense.

Preseason All-American Nick LeGuerre, Kyle Wise, Donn Hill, Brendan McFall with an assist from Chris Hutchinson along with the fact they are coached by one of the more respected young coaches in Division III.

You saw one game... I have seen all but one of their games (two in person, one online) to start this season. They saw in-your-face defense from Cabrini as well as Middlebury... you also saw their worst shooting performance of the young season... and it was still .429 which is pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 02, 2013, 09:25:22 AM
Regarding the ST MARY's game against Cabrini....I was there and saw a game with constant defensive pressure.  Either team could have won that night.  St MARY's is definitely a top ten team and can beat anybody on any night even when they are not firing on all cylinders.  The game was a dueling match down in Maryland neither team Cabrini nor St Marys could get more than a 5-7 pt lead the whole game went back and forth.  ST Mary's was able to hang in and take Middlebury as well.  Was there for that game which was a dog fight.  Hard to conclude St Mary's would not be in the top 10 or 15....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on December 02, 2013, 10:40:48 AM
Who cares about SMC...This is CC board... F & M finally plays well AT HOME and useless conversation starts...

Ursinus @ F&M:  F&M by 30

Washington @ Haverford:  Haverford in 2 OT

Dickinson @ McDaniel:  Dickinson but closer than you might think

Gettysburg @ Johns Hopkins:  Gburg...Trap game for JHU especially after there long trip this past weekend

Muhlenberg@ Swarthmore:  Mules...time for Swat to come back to reality
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 02, 2013, 01:12:08 PM
considering F&M could have beat St Mary's if they did not turn the ball over so much, and got a decent shot during the last 2o seconds at crunch time they will have to play a lot better at home the rest of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Clutch on December 02, 2013, 01:13:23 PM
Was hoping f/m would have won that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 02, 2013, 10:29:44 PM
picks:
f&m
washington
dickinson
hopkins
muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2013, 12:49:58 PM
Picks
F&M
Haverford
Dickinson
Johns Hopkins
Muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2013, 10:35:34 PM
Looks like it's going to be a long year for Ursinus.  F&M played a well-rounded game and easily won.  Porter and Salandra both scored 21 and played good defense.  Salandra  and Moune continue to block numerous shots and alter the shots on many possessions.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 04, 2013, 09:17:38 AM
anybody know why poarch of washington and honig of dickinson did not play?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 04, 2013, 11:50:34 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2013, 10:35:34 PM
Looks like it's going to be a long year for Ursinus.  F&M played a well-rounded game and easily won.  Porter and Salandra both scored 21 and played good defense.  Salandra  and Moune continue to block numerous shots and alter the shots on many possessions.
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Reserved,

I agree that the Bears are in for a long year.  The cavalry is not coming over the hill either, however Krasna may return at some point.  Prior to the season I thought the Bears would be good barring injury and/or other issues.  The starting line up was expected to be Krasna, Kamara, Draper, Norton and Adams.  Unfortunately, Krasna and Kamara, their two most indispensable players, have not played at all.  One could argue that the loss of Kamara was devastating as he gave their defense a tough interior presence which they do not have now.  He was a rebounder and shot blocker at 6'9" 240 pounds. 

Now they are playing mostly freshmen and sophomores and we all know the experience and maturity differences between players 18 and 19 and those 20 and 21.  The physical differences were very apparent in the F&M game.

As an aside, did anyone think the game was well officiated.  F&M had only three team fouls at the half while the Bears had nine, including three hand checking fouls among others in that period. Over the back rebounding and a "forearm push off" by Salandra on an offensive rebound "put back" near the end of the game were obvious fouls not called.  None of these calls would have changed the outcome of the game---but -----call them right.

Perhaps the Bears will play better as a team going forward.  Bears fans can only hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on December 04, 2013, 12:01:26 PM
Looking forward to the matchup in the mule barn sat vs JHU, can we get college gameday there????
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 05, 2013, 11:27:35 AM
I thought JHU would defeat Gettysburg, so that takes some to the luster off the Muhlenberg game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on December 06, 2013, 12:12:46 PM
F&M @ Hav - Dips (remember they struggled in Havertown last season tho)
MCD @ Ursinus - MCD (is it too early to call this an elimination game?)
WAC @ GBurg - WAC (not going to lie I flipped a coin)
JHU @ Mules - Mules (Historically the blue jays don't travel to Muhlenberg well)
Swat @ Dickinson- Dickinson (any word on honig?)

Enjoy the holidays CC FANS!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 06, 2013, 01:20:26 PM
F&M--as long as they stay out of foul trouble
MCD--Ursinus doesn't have an inside game and the guards dribble too much
WAC--coin flip sounds good--I got the same result--maybe an omen
Mules --tough place to play
Dickinson--they're the favorite in most games
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 06, 2013, 06:59:38 PM
f&m
ursinus
washington
muhlenberg
dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 06, 2013, 09:53:13 PM

Here are my picks for tomorrow, Saturday, December 7:

F&M @ Haverford:   F&M

McDaniel @ Ursinus:   McDaniel (I suspect that McDaniel will be too strong inside for the Bears).

Washington @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg (a coin flip - going with the home team).

JHU @ Muhlenberg:   Mules at home.

Swarthmore@ Dickinson:   Dickinson (even if Honing doesn't play).

Enjoy the games. Travel safely. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 07, 2013, 04:40:30 PM
Any idea why Wixted didn't start and didn't get in until the 5:00 mark?

*And only played a total of six minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 07, 2013, 06:37:32 PM
F&M had a hard time at Haverford.  After a nip and tuck start, went on a 12 point run to take the from 13-14 to 25-14, but Haverford fought to a lead by halftime of 30-32.  F&M lackadaisical play allow the Fords to get back into the game.  After halftime, Haverford took the lead 30-36 until F&M fought back but the Fords answered taking a lead of 41-48 with 8 minutes to go.  By the 5 minute mark, Moune hit a tying basketball at 50-50.  F&M closed out the contest by hitting 9/10 foul shots.  Yes, they hit 9/10.  Moune 12/18, Porter 10/24, and Salandra 10/20 had double doubles(rebounds/points).  Even though it didn't look pretty, F&M pulled out a win with 19/25 at the line.  Cohen lead the Fords with 25 points.
Rogo was not present, and I will have to find out why.  Wright got his first significant playing time and handled the ball reasonable well. He, also, contributed a block.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 09, 2013, 06:22:04 AM

Here are my picks for the few games involving Centennial Conference teams this week:

Wednesday, December 11

Baptist Bible @ Swarthmore:   Swarthmore

Saturday, December 14

Muhlenberg @ DeSales:   Muhlenberg, even though the Mules sometimes come up short on the road

Sunday, December 15

Gettysburg @ Shenandoah:   Shenandoah (a coin flip)

LVC @ McDaniel:   LVC

The schedule is very light due to final exams. Enjoy the games.

I hope that everyone was at home overnight and not out traveling and fighting the icy roads. Regards to all!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 09, 2013, 09:59:41 AM
I also noticed Rogo wasn't with F&M the team at Haverford. He isn't on the teams roster on the website at present. I can only presume he has left the team. I thought he looked better in more of a flexible wing role in his injury shortened freshman season. Playing strictly point guard did not seem to be his strength and his playing time was decreasing markedly. Perhaps reseved seat can fill us in if this is not what's going on.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 09, 2013, 04:44:38 PM
Sounds like he quit.  I'll continue to verify this info.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on December 09, 2013, 06:19:01 PM
So my prediction of Rogo being first team all CC was way off!!!

Congrats to Connor (senior playing like a senior) and Malique!

Ill be back after the NYE.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 09, 2013, 06:27:36 PM
Looks like way off :)
Could be a tough loss for F&M--down another player.  Not much room for injuries.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 16, 2013, 05:29:37 PM
Hello to all! First time poster. But I have been following this forum for a couple of years. No stranger to CC Basketball either, I've been watching/working in it for 9 years now. Looking forward to lots of great chatter with you all! Some observations of mine this early in the year:

1. Dickinson still looks like the team to beat this year. Wixted is playing like his usual self, but with Honig playing like he is and the development of Steve Collins, having multiple options makes Wixted more dangerous.

2. Muhlenberg looks GREAT thanks in most part to Malique Killing (my early favorite for CC Player Of The Year). Kevin Hargrove hasn't been his usual dominant self yet, but the Mules still find themselves with only one loss. Having Alec Stavetski contributing 16.5 ppg is HUGE too as it could lead to more looks for Killing and Hargrove, if he gets things going.

3. I know a lot of people on here have been very concerned with the play of F&M, but, with what they lost this year, to still be 3-1 in CC play before Christmas has to be encouraging to fans in Lancaster. Salandra will keep performing at a high level and Porter has been playing extremely well so far, in my opinion.

4. It was nice to see Swarthmore get off to the 2-0 start, but can they hold it together for a full 18 game conference schedule?

5. Very encouraged to see the way Washington College has played so far. Even though they dropped a pair of tough conference games, they were able to hand Muhlenberg their only loss and finally solve the Haverford jinx, with authority. Compared to last year, the Shoremen are playing much better basketball, even in their close losses. This is a team that looks like they could make some noise before the end of the season.

That's all for now. Can't wait for CC play to kick back in. Should be a great year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 16, 2013, 05:49:36 PM
Also, I see some of you on here make predictions for the games involving CC teams? I know the schedule this week is light, but it seems like a good time to try my luck for the first time. So here goes....

Tuesday, December 17th

F&M @Albright: Give me F&M. I know they have been struggling in non-conference play so far, but they've been close in a couple games. The Dips get this one.

Dickinson @Catholic: Tough matchup here for the Red Devils. But in the end I think they'll have too much firepower for Catholic. Give me Dickinson.

Wesley @Washington College: Intriguing matchup here. A ranked and very good Wesley team playing against a Washington team which, at times this season, has displayed both shutdown defense and an explosive offense. The problem: David Langan. A 6-8 Center averaging 18.7 ppg and 10.3 rpg. The Shoremen need to get him in foul trouble and control the post if they want to win. I see a shootout coming in this game, but in the end i think Wesley has too much firepower.

Wednesday, December 18th

Alvernia @Dickinson: Tough matchup for the Red Devils, having to play less than 24 hours after a road trip from Carlisle to D.C. Alvernia has already knocked off a pair of CC teams this year (F&M and Johns Hopkins) and I think they can do the same against the Red Devils. But in the end I think that Dickinson will find a way to win.

Ursinus @Eastern: Ursinus is struggling badly so far. Can they right the ship here? I don't see it. Eastern at home wins.

Friday, December 20th

Gettysburg @Berry: Playing this one in Florida! Berry scores a ton of points but I think Gettysburg shuts them down and gets the W.

Saturday, December 21st

Gettysburg @Richard Stockton: Richard Stockton wins this matchup

Sunday, December 22nd

Ursinus @Colgate: Colgate, big
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
 There's Muhlenberg @ Scranton tomorrow - 4 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 17, 2013, 06:50:01 AM

Here are my predictions for upcoming games involving Centennial Conference teams:

Tuesday, December 17

F&M @ Albright:   F&M

Dickinson @ Catholic:   Catholic

Wesley@ Washington College:   Washington College

Muhlenberg @ Scranton:   Scranton


Wednesday, December 18

Alvernia @ Dickinson:   Dickinson

Ursinus@ Eastern:   Eastern


Friday, December 20

Gettysburg@ Berry:   Gettysburg (just a wild guess)


Saturday, December 21

Gettysburg @ Richard Stockton State:   Richard Stockton State


Sunday, December 22

Ursinus @ Colgate:   Colgate.

Enjoy the games and the holidays! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2013, 12:01:55 PM
Is Berry a Division II school?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2013, 12:34:12 PM
Berry is Division III.
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Berry/men/2013-14/index

There's a Barry in Florida which is Division II, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 17, 2013, 10:00:42 PM
Convincing win for Dickinson at Catholic. If they get Alvernia tomorrow I think that has to put them in the top 25. But who knows!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 17, 2013, 10:18:55 PM
Wild game in Reading.  F&M survived Albright in 2OT.  Despite having key players in foul trouble, F&M found a way to overcome Albright.
Falling behind in regulation, Phelps hit a three to force the game into overtime.  Then falling behind in both overtimes, F&M made key shots to tie the score and then win.  Phelps had an uneven game with decent shooting but untimely turnovers.  By hitting 5 threes, Phelps scored a career high 25, and Porter added a career high 26.  Salandra chipped in 20, and Moune pulled down 10 rebounds despite sitting out a lot.
Perez lead all scorers and rebounders with 28/11.  Good win for F&M because they never quit, but kept fighting back.  F&M received good help off the bench to make up for the starters saddled with fouls.  Next game in 16 days.  Enjoy the holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 18, 2013, 07:57:58 AM
looks like everyone is having trouble stopping killing;scores heavily and gets to the line a ton and is a strong foul shooter. now it seems like dickinson and f&m play the best basketball. muhlenberg is very good but never seems to gel in their chemistry like dickinson and f&m. washington plays good basketball as does swarthmore but they just don't have the same talent as the top teams. both are well coached. hopkins plays good D.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2013, 08:54:01 AM
F&M needs to develop some depth to be competitive.  With only 12 players and limited experience from numerous players, F&M will need time to challenge the better teams.  Early's early season-ending injury has put a damper on their expectations.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 18, 2013, 11:54:03 AM
I think this is a two horse race to host the CC Playoffs. Dickinson and Muhlenberg. F&M could certainly challenge either but will have to be at one of their gyms.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2013, 10:14:14 PM
Big win for Dickinson. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 19, 2013, 12:11:48 AM
Without their best player from last year (Terrance Bridgers who left school) Alvernia is beatable. Dickinson just got themselves ranked with a nice week. They play Guilford next who is top 20 I believe and could move up more. Congrats to the Red Devils.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 19, 2013, 08:44:03 PM
pretty upset on how things continue to go in collegeville for ursinus.  Doesnt seem to be much confidence in a lot of the players and something you dont see very much at ursinus but most nights it seems like the opposition has better players.  Not a good time to be taking a long trip up to NY to play a decent Colgate team.  Hopefully, with coach mcgarvey being former Ursinus player/assistant, they will call off the dogs early and not let it get too out of hand.  hopefully the return of krasna will bring some excitement to the squad and they can still make a run at slipping into that last spot for the playoffs. still a lot of time left and want to be playing the best ball at the end of the season
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 22, 2013, 02:55:17 PM
just watched ursinus/colgate; seemed clear they'd get beat bad and colgate were classy as they probably could have won by 40 if they chose. 2 mcgarvey's on the sideline.
ursinus is better with krasna but the team seems to play without much energy. teams who don't have a few very strong players must play together and play spirited, aggressive, sound basketball. we'll see what happens with them. doesn't look promising for a playoff spot for the bears. bears fans...what do you think is the problem?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 23, 2013, 08:48:41 AM
Ryan Adams (18 points and 11 boards) and Jesse Krasna (14 points) both played well.  Both are seniors and Adams is playing out of position at the 5 because they have no one else.

One of the biggest problems is numbers or lack thereof. They started the season with 14 players and Sunday they dressed only 10.  The biggest loss was Jermaine Kamara----- before the season started. Without him they have no size as Marciano seems to be MIA for whatever reason.  Also missing on Sunday were Trey Harry (concussion) and Hanif Sutton (unknown).

Of the 10 who dressed, 3 seniors, no juniors, 3 sophomores and 4 freshmen.  There are no game changers among the seniors and juniors.  Krasna is clearly their best player but not dominant.  I think the sophomores have been disappointing---Draper, Norton & Wonderling.  They have been very inconsistent.  The freshmen are just learning---all have promise but none quite ready yet.

The will not make much noise until they get a big man who can play and that will not be until next year at the earliest---and then Krasna and Adams are gone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 23, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
thanks gabriel. i appreciate your assessment. have a great holiday and hopefully your team will gel a bit and grab some w's!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 26, 2013, 01:56:48 PM
Gabriel, i hear your assessment about the depth at ursinus and cant seem to notice how you constantly bring Kamara into the discussion.  It seems, at least from what I have read on here and notice, that it was a longshot to rely on him coming into this season anyway after his past.  Not sure who to point the finger to, but seems like he had several chances and for the coaches to rely on him coming into the season, and then not recruit the position, seems like that is more to blame.  They (coaches) were relying on Marciano and Kamara coming into the season to be the forwards?  Seems like trying to rely on 2 kids who havent really done much to deserve that kind of trust.  And to think that Kamara would be able to fix this team is a stretch to say the least. Have to be prepared for this type of thing, especially at the D3 level when you can bring in many guys.  To have just 10 guys dressed for a game doesnt make sense.  Bring in the bodies and dont rely or trust the players that dont deserve to be trusted.  Seems like they werent ready for the post-Ward era inside and, looking at the team, are years away unless they make a splash this off-season w/ a college-ready player
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 26, 2013, 09:44:13 PM
HoopGuru,

Don't disagree with what you said at all.  However, getting forwards is probably the most difficult  recruiting challenge these days.  Most kids with size and ability are focused on D1 until late in the game.  Last year, two top forward recruits opted late in the recruiting cycle for university academics vice basketball.  Both chose engineering and are not playing basketball.  Can't criticize their decision but that's what makes coaches gray prematurely.

I focused on Kamara because, #1 I like the young man and I really wanted him so succeed for his sake as well as for Ursinus.   He was the only inside presence Ursinus had on the horizon.  That was not through lack of effort----just the way the ball bounces.  Kamara had the size and  toughness the Bears needed.  As a freshman, he defended both Hayk and Wixted very well.  I think he would have been an 10 point, 10 rebound a game player as well as a defensive presence.

It's easy to sit back and criticize after the fact,  but no one works harder at recruiting than the Ursinus coaches.  Indeed, most coaches do work hard at it----and it's not easy recruiting 18 and 19 year old kids and their parents.  It's not an exact science.  Everyone wants the kid who could be playing D1 but opts for D3 like Shattuck or McGarvey or Milligan.   It's not like Ursinus has the appeal of Duke or Kentucky where you can turn kids away.  However, once in awhile you hit the jackpot.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 26, 2013, 10:28:58 PM
I agree with Gabriel.  It's extremely difficult to recruit at a D3 level especially if the school stresses academics and is pricey.  F&M has two assistant coaches who spend hours recruiting, and  they find it hard finding players willing to commit to a rigorous academic program and pay $50,000.  Numerous recruited forwards are players who need to improve their skills to help the team.  F&M has several forwards who fit that profile.  Moune has proven to be a quick study and has become a key player since Early's untimely injury.  Toskivic and Levy have the potential to develop into the future forwards the team needs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 26, 2013, 10:43:34 PM
I understand the difficulties of recruiting, especially at the D3 level, but my point is more towards the fact that given how hard it is to recruit the forward position at this level, I am not sure why you would not be involved with more players rather than being so selective knowing that those kids could do the D1 route or focus on academics.  Look at some of the other schools in the conference and their rosters of guys who are 6-7 or taller; dickinson 5, hopkins 5, burg 4.  These schools also typically have larger rosters compared to UC.  I would not single out the UC coaches as none working harder, as at the D3 level, all of the coaching staffs for the schools are out pretty much non-stop for a majority of the year and at least from looking at recruiting classes, UC has been consistently down compared to other schools in the conference. Finally, it is extremely hard for a player to avg a dbl dbl, especially in the centennial; only been done a few times before.  Just averaging 10 reb. a game is hard to do and hasn't been done that often before. 
 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 26, 2013, 11:40:21 PM
i would point to seretti as an example of someone who came into a program that certainly was not dominant and turned it around extremely quickly by setting a serious tone for the program, beginning to win and doing superior recruiting. the new swat coach also is doing a good job to improve that program by teaching and setting a more serious tone than they have had. despite it being unpredictable, certain coaches recruit better than others and put more into it. the kids deserve good coaching, good recruiting, and a better chance to win. nescac does it very well, why not the centennial?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 27, 2013, 08:16:04 AM
I must wade into this discussion as I feel you guys are way off the mark regarding Centennial Conference recruiting. I live in the Southern Tier portion of New York State and dealt with recruiting from many conferences. We did the AAU circuit, the Empire State games (New York's Olympics), and many college recruitment camps and shootouts. Not ONCE did we ever see or talk to any Centennial Conference coach. Not one. At the Gym Rat Tournament in Albany, there were over 300 coaches present. We got calls from over 100 D III colleges and many D II colleges including some who drove over ten hours to recruit and talk to my son. Again, not one CC coach called or showed any interest. It was not until very late in the whole process that a call came from Swarthmore's coach. I only knew Swarthmore had incredible academics and knew nothing about their basketball program. By this time my son had narrowed down his choices to Hamilton, Skidmore, and Hobart. We saw Hobart's coach at least 30 times that year. We took what we felt was a last minute trip to Swathmore and he fell in love with the school. My point is, the CC never showed any interest in him or any of the other guys he played with on his AAU team (which included five D III players and one D I player). When some are saying that the CC has coaches who recruit better or harder than other coaches, I feel that is very wrong and not close to the truth. My son's AAU coach told us many times the CC is the only conference on the East Coast he had not dealt with. The first thing the F&M coach said to my son after the first game he played was, "How did I miss you when I was recruiting?" Because they are great colleges, I feel like many CC coaches feel the school's reputation recruits the players. Our AAU schedule included many tournaments in New York, Pennsylvania, Washington DC, and Maryland, yet we never met one CC coach. Just a comment about CC recruiting that many of you may have never thought about. This in no way is meant as a negative post. I just wanted you guys to know that the CC does not recruit as much as you think they do.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 27, 2013, 08:26:23 AM
HoopGuru

You said "UC has been consistently down compared to other schools in the conference..."  Ah, such a short memory.  Who won the conference in 2003, 2005, 2006 and 2008?  Yes, the past four years have not been up to those standards, but, to say they have had no recent success is unfair.

Centfan,

Regarding recruiting, you say "NESCAC does it very well why on Centennial".  Other than Amherst, Williams and Middlebury, which of the other 8 teams in the NESCAC have made much noise in basketball recently? Also, there is a difference in that some schools have a national recruiting base such as Williams, Amherst and, indeed, Swarthmore, JHU and Haverford.  Ursinus and some others-----not so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 27, 2013, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: Swat Dad on December 27, 2013, 08:16:04 AM
I must wade into this discussion as I feel you guys are way off the mark regarding Centennial Conference recruiting. I live in the Southern Tier portion of New York State and dealt with recruiting from many conferences. We did the AAU circuit, the Empire State games (New York's Olympics), and many college recruitment camps and shootouts. Not ONCE did we ever see or talk to any Centennial Conference coach. Not one. At the Gym Rat Tournament in Albany, there were over 300 coaches present. We got calls from over 100 D III colleges and many D II colleges including some who drove over ten hours to recruit and talk to my son. Again, not one CC coach called or showed any interest. It was not until very late in the whole process that a call came from Swarthmore's coach. I only knew Swarthmore had incredible academics and knew nothing about their basketball program. By this time my son had narrowed down his choices to Hamilton, Skidmore, and Hobart. We saw Hobart's coach at least 30 times that year. We took what we felt was a last minute trip to Swathmore and he fell in love with the school. My point is, the CC never showed any interest in him or any of the other guys he played with on his AAU team (which included five D III players and one D I player). When some are saying that the CC has coaches who recruit better or harder than other coaches, I feel that is very wrong and not close to the truth. My son's AAU coach told us many times the CC is the only conference on the East Coast he had not dealt with. The first thing the F&M coach said to my son after the first game he played was, "How did I miss you when I was recruiting?" Because they are great colleges, I feel like many CC coaches feel the school's reputation recruits the players. Our AAU schedule included many tournaments in New York, Pennsylvania, Washington DC, and Maryland, yet we never met one CC coach. Just a comment about CC recruiting that many of you may have never thought about. This in no way is meant as a negative post. I just wanted you guys to know that the CC does not recruit as much as you think they do.

It's pretty impossible for anyone on here to have ANY clue as to how hard a certain coaching staff works. I would say look at records, all conference selections and 1000 pt scorers and that will tell you who can recruit. So for now I will say Seretti has done a great job with Honig and Wixted both reaching 1000 pts and being named All Conf, All Region and All District. Just because they didn't contact your son or coach does not really indicate anything. Plenty of players go under the radar. Saying they don't recruit as much as people think they do is a hard statement for you to try and make on the basis they didn't contact your son or his coach.

Dickinson has 5 players from NY, 1 from MASS and one from Conn. That's a 1/3 of their roster from your general region.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 27, 2013, 11:17:22 AM
Very true. I was just making the point that I never met a CC coach in any of my endeavors from AAU (I helped coach), I coached at the high school level for twenty years and had numerous college players, or any other thing we did camps et al. I think many CC colleges rely on their incredible academic reputations to help recruit. I wasn't starting an argument, I was just saying the CC does not recruit around here much.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 27, 2013, 11:17:42 AM
Swat Dad,

The fact that the New York City/New Jersey, Philadelphia, Baltimore & D.C. areas are such fruitful areas for recruiting might be the reason the CC is not present in upstate New York.  The other factor is the distance from the southeastern PA to upstate New York essentially demands an over night stay for recruiters.  All of these small schools have limited budgets---some more than others. Also,  the coaches have time constraints given their other responsibilities, both family and professional.  Many, many  head coaches pay some or all recruiting costs out of their own pockets and we know how much it costs for gas, toll, meal and lodging.  Essentially, it's Economics 101.  Good to hear from you again.  I enjoy your thoughtful posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 27, 2013, 04:39:19 PM
Gabriel, my apologies on the wording as I meant over the past 5 years UC has been consistently down when it comes to recruiting classes.  I would probably say since Coach Rule was there they have been down when it comes to recruiting.  Not sure if I ever remember them having issues with players coming to school and either leaving or being removed from the team, and over the past handful of years they have had quite a bit of turnover with players, which, again, comes back to the recruiting over those last several years.  When was the last solid class (from a bball talent standpoint, not in anyway academically/socially)?  Noonan? Cousart?  If I remember correctly, werent those guys being recruited when Coach R. was there? 

Overall I'm sure recruiting at the DIII level is a nightmare for all coaching staffs as there are thousands upon thousands of high school players who want to play college basketball and tons of players who slip through the cracks.  Just seems like you need to be involved with so many different players at the DIII level b/c kids are going to change minds late. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 28, 2013, 11:51:05 PM
Quote from: Swat Dad on December 27, 2013, 11:17:22 AM
Very true. I was just making the point that I never met a CC coach in any of my endeavors from AAU (I helped coach), I coached at the high school level for twenty years and had numerous college players, or any other thing we did camps et al. I think many CC colleges rely on their incredible academic reputations to help recruit. I wasn't starting an argument, I was just saying the CC does not recruit around here much.

Certainly no argument here. I could have maybe phrased it better. The CC does recruit NY though is all I am saying.

Players from NY

FnM- 5
Dickinson- 5
Muhlenberg- 1
Hopkins- 0
McDaniel- 1
Haverford- 8
Swathmore- 2
Gettysburg- 1
Washington- 0
Ursinus- 1

It takes a lot of effort to successfully recruit a player. To be a PA school and have 8 or 5 or even 2 players from NY shows there is time spent there. Certainly a lot of good ones have come from there too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 29, 2013, 12:38:51 AM
Just a couple things: I know tone is hard to understand in these posts, but mine was a very light tone. I was just making the point we didn't run into CC coaches around here. I am a huge fan of the CC and will always root for them!

Second, I kept my favorite 35 call from coaches on our answering machine. It is fun to listen to when I am bored. Of course my favorite is from Coach Wimberly where he always started out, "Ah, hey Will." Wimbo will always be my son's favorite coach. Regardless of what everyone else thought of him, my son adored him and is flying out to see him in Arizona in a couple weeks.

You should all know, every single coach in the league made a point of seeking out my wife and me after the last home game this year. Every coach was a class act and I will never forget it. I miss being a part of all this!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 29, 2013, 08:08:04 AM
Swat Dad,

Coach Wimberly is one of my favorites too.  Always takes the time to talk and is so gracious.  First met him in 1999, my first year as a CC fan.  Bill Nelson (JHU) is another class act.  Hope Will is doing well.  After his first CC game, every coach in the league wished he was on their team.  I know Ursinus did.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 29, 2013, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: HoopGuru on December 27, 2013, 04:39:19 PM
Gabriel, my apologies on the wording as I meant over the past 5 years UC has been consistently down when it comes to recruiting classes.  I would probably say since Coach Rule was there they have been down when it comes to recruiting.  Not sure if I ever remember them having issues with players coming to school and either leaving or being removed from the team, and over the past handful of years they have had quite a bit of turnover with players, which, again, comes back to the recruiting over those last several years.  When was the last solid class (from a bball talent standpoint, not in anyway academically/socially)?  Noonan? Cousart?  If I remember correctly, werent those guys being recruited when Coach R. was there? 

Overall I'm sure recruiting at the DIII level is a nightmare for all coaching staffs as there are thousands upon thousands of high school players who want to play college basketball and tons of players who slip through the cracks.  Just seems like you need to be involved with so many different players at the DIII level b/c kids are going to change minds late.

Joe Rulewich was with Kevin Small from 2000 through 2006 at Ursinus.  No doubt he was and still is a superb coach and recruiter.  I think he had a hand in recruiting Shattuck, Noonan and maybe Cousart.

As you may know, Coach Small was a part time employee from 2000 until 2004 or 2005.  They did not have a full time men's basketball coach.  Joe Rulewich worked for the college but not in the athletic department----admissions, I think.  So, in 2004 Ursinus hired a full time basketball coach, Kevin Small.  They still did not have a paid full time assistant in the athletic department although Joe filled that role until 2006 when he left for Peddie.  They had several former Bears as part time assistants until Mike McGarvey was hired in 2008/2009.  He remained until 2011 when he moved on to Colgate.  Pat Price filled the role for one year until Dennis Stanton was hired in 2012.

My points are, while Joe Rulewich was there, he was a valuable recruiter and coach.  For two or three years it was Coach Small on his own---- until Mike McGarvey was able to help.  Now Dennis Stanton is doing a terrific job but still learning the nuances of DIII recruiting. 

Some recruiting years have worked out and some have not----his year's junior class for example.  Many DIII coaches say they don't know how good a class is until their junior year.  Regarding attrition, Ursinus has lost four or five players prematurely over the past 14 years.  Probably not any more than any other team.

Could Ursinus do a better job recruiting?  Most certainly, but so could others.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 29, 2013, 10:00:27 AM
"Centfan,

Regarding recruiting, you say "NESCAC does it very well why not Centennial".  Other than Amherst, Williams and Middlebury, which of the other 8 teams in the NESCAC have made much noise in basketball recently? Also, there is a difference in that some schools have a national recruiting base such as Williams, Amherst and, indeed, Swarthmore, JHU and Haverford.  Ursinus and some others-----not so much."

Gabriel,
amherst, williams and middlebury are all "programs" that have been built and consistently get strong players and tournament bids. recently (milligan days) we had f&m, which is currently no longer that way but always in the mix. so to me that is a huge difference: 3 strong programs that are in or around ncaa every year. dickinson is on it's way due to seretti and staff, f&m's future we shall see but they tend to consistently get good athletes. (maybe grob is heading towards retirement???)
swarthmore, haverford and jhu have a national "academic" recruiting base, basketball wise they have done a pretty poor job of recruiting, born out by their records. they always hope to get kids who are on the cusp of the ivy league, but those kids are usually drawn to schools like amherst, middlebury and williams. those top teams do make nescac a better conference, even though i wish it weren't so. as we all know,recruiting is a roll of the dice and two or three kids (sometimes one) can make a big difference. there is alot of chance to it but the better programs seem to have a better way of doing it. also, a winning history and successful coach is always appealing to a kid when looking at teams. (then they find out what they get after they are in the school!!)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 29, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
Gabriel, the recruiting classes were better in early to mid 2000s for incoming classes (Noonan, Cousart being the last recruited by coach rulewich and just small before then) when head coach/asst coach was a part time position, wouldnt it make sense to have better classes when they now have 2 full time positions, plus it looks like 3 additional asst. coaches on the bench this year?  That doesnt make much sense to me. Maybe it just comes down to evaluating talent and they struggle to do that.  Either that or the lack of being able to develop the players recently when they arrive on campus, which is extremely important at all levels, especially division 3.  For example, from last year to this year, seems to me Draper hasnt gotten much better, vasturia from year 1 to now not much better, mike marciano from year 1 to now nothing special, the whole 2012 graduating class from Freshman to Senior year nothing special, and the 2013 graduating class you could argue Donahue didnt improve much, maybe Janowski improved slightly, and Ward didnt get much better from year 1/2 to his last year.  Im sure some of this, maybe even the majority of this, is on the players but still a lot comes down to recruiting/developing players and just maybe needs re-evaluated.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 29, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
HoopGuru,

I'm sure it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 29, 2013, 11:21:47 PM
swat dad
good to see you back
hope you have a great new year and the same to all of you on the D3 boards
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 02, 2014, 06:13:59 AM
Happy New Year! Hope everyone had two relaxing and enjoyable holidays. I am ready for the rest of the season to begin. Here are my picks for tonight's games involving Centennial Conference teams:

Catholic @ Washington:   Catholic

MCLA @ F&M:   F&M.

If the predicted winter weather arrives, safe travels to everyone. Regards.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 02, 2014, 01:34:10 PM
same picks
I'm already parked in the lot, but need to run out to the hospital for therapy at 4:00
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 02, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
Not much of a game at F&M especially the first half.  Very sloppy second half almost like the players' heads weren't in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 03, 2014, 06:38:19 AM

Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

Welcome back to Division III basketball. I hope that everyone survived yesterday's winter storm! It kept me away from Mayser Center last night.

Here are my predictions for tonight's contests involving teams from the Centennial Conference:

Ursinus @ Peace:   Peace (don't know anything about Peace. However, given the apparent weakness of the Bears, I will go with the home team).

Case-Western Reserve @ Johns Hopkins:   Johns Hopkins should win this game.

Delaware Valley @ F&M:   F&M.

Enjoy the games.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 03, 2014, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 02, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
Not much of a game at F&M especially the first half.  Very sloppy second half almost like the players' heads weren't in the game.
Apparently several MCLA players had a stomach bug so they were depleted beyond the fact that they were on a losing streak.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2014, 02:57:33 PM
Ursinus
JHU
F&M
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2014, 10:19:29 PM
F&M earned a hard fought game with a scrappy, quick Del Val team.  Sullivan had a very impressive game for the Aggies.  Chris Moran fought hard for his 17 points.  Arnold was disappointing.  He plays an overly aggressive game and tries to draw fouls instead of getting off good shots.  Arnold is extremely quick but seems out of control at time.  F&M's height and team play won the game.  Porter and Phelps played soled games offensively and defensively.  Salandra played a very controlled game and put up high numbers without forcing the play.  F&M tried to play a lot into Moune, but with all the hand and body checks he was unable to put big number.  Subs Figueroa and Faison came up big on a night when F&M had only 7 suited players.  Morgan Lee's presence was helpful during the scrappy play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 05, 2014, 09:53:58 AM
Happy New Year to all! Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday season! But now, it's back to hoops! Although, over break, a lot of teams put in some impressive work. I think it will be a crime if Dickinson is not ranked when the new polls are released tomorrow afternoon.

Anyhow, here are my predictions for the Centennial games this week:

Sunday

Swat @Gallaudet: Give me Swat. The better team.

Haverford @DeSales:I wanna pick the Fords but I'll take DeSales

Monday

Wesley @Washington College: Fully expect a high scoring slugfest in this one. If WAC can keep shooting the 3 ball like they have been recently I like their chances. The problem: No height for WAC and Wesley has a 6'8 post player averaging 18.1 and 11.7 per game (and he shoots 71%). Toss up for me, but give me Washington at home for the upset.

Kings @Muhlenberg: Muhlenberg to me is the second best team in the CC right now behind Dickinson. Fully expect them to win this game and for Killing to have another big night. Would like to see Hargrove finally get going too.

Wednesday (finally, some more confefence games!)

Washington College @Dickinson: A long trip up to Carlisle combined with the fact that Dickinson is playing so well...I like the Red Devils

Swat @F&M: I'll take F&M. They have also looked good over break. Not used to seeing F&M already have 4 losses by January but I think those early season struggles are long gone.

Ursinus @Gettysburg: Gettysburg rolls at home

Muhlenberg @McDaniel: The Green Terror will be fired up for this one. But, I still like the Mules.

Haverford @Johns Hopkins: Hopkins gets the win, in convincing fashion

I'll make my Saturday picks once I see how the rest of the week goes. Glad to see a full schedule of games again!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on January 07, 2014, 01:53:48 PM
I don't believe that he played in the Tournament over the weekend, but it is worth noting that Xavier Braham is listed as an active member on the F&M roster after a year (and a half) long absence: http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2013-14/bios/braham_xavier_rvqr

Obviously it's impossible to predict what his game will look like or if he can return to form from when he last played, but he did show a lot of potential as a freshman off the bench, and it certainly can't hurt the Diplomats to get a little bit more front court depth with experience.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: madzillagd on January 07, 2014, 02:19:23 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on December 09, 2013, 09:59:41 AM
I also noticed Rogo wasn't with F&M the team at Haverford. He isn't on the teams roster on the website at present. I can only presume he has left the team. I thought he looked better in more of a flexible wing role in his injury shortened freshman season. Playing strictly point guard did not seem to be his strength and his playing time was decreasing markedly. Perhaps reseved seat can fill us in if this is not what's going on.

FYI - Rogo is now playing for Randolph College in the ODAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2014, 05:00:27 PM
Rogo transferred. He wasn't happy with his playing time.  He's on the bench for Randolph--played 4 minutes in their last win.
F&M may have suffered a significant injury at practice yesterday.  Waiting for details, player being evaluated, currently on crutches.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 08, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
After injuring his ankle early in the week, one-legged Salandra politicked his way to a start.  Despite being limited by his injury, he scored 11 points to tie with Porter for high scorer along with Keedy from Swarthmore.  Salandra played excellent defense throughout the game.  With his start in doubt, Salandra still played 35 minutes, but didn't participate in the opening tip for the first time this season.   Salandra left the rebounding to Moune who gathered in 15 rebounds along with 10 points. Faison and Phelps, also, reached double points with 10 each.  F&M picked up 11 steals to go with 7 blocks.  Hopefully, with a few days to continue to recover, Salandra with be at full speed by Saturday.  Faison contributed some big threes in his biggest game of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 08, 2014, 10:52:30 PM
Salandra on one good leg is still a better defender than most fully healthy players in the conference! Hope he gets ready in time for the showdown with Washington this Saturday.

McDaniel beats Muhlenberg tonight! Who honestly saw that coming? Big rally by the green terror to grab that win.

Washington looked great early against the Red Devils, building an 8 point halftime lead. Then, Gerry Wixted made his presence known as Dickinson won by 12.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 10, 2014, 10:32:58 AM
Here are my picks for tomorrow's games:

Dickinson @ Ursinus: No reason for me to believe Dickinson will lose this game. Red Devils.

Haverford @ McDaniel: Big win the other night for McDaniel over the Mules. Haverford still in search of CC win #1. I like McDaniel.

Johns Hopkins @ Swarthmore: Blue Jays are playing really well right now. I'll take them in this one.

Gettysburg @ Muhlenberg: Should be a great matchup. Gettysburg had a little trouble with Ursinus the other night before pulling away to win. Muhlenberg has lost it's last 2 games and won't be in a good mood. I think Gettysburg has a chance, but the Mule Barn is such a tough place to play. I don't think Killing will let them drop 3 in a row. I'll take the Mules.

Franklin and Marshall @ Washington College: The CC Game Of The Day. F&M has been looking great lately, while Washington hasn't been producing wins but has been playing extremely well against good competition (8 point halftime lead @ Dickinson wednesday night). Washington has been a thorn in the side of F&M in recent years, defeating the Diplomats while they have been ranked in back to back seasons. One area where I think F&M excels over other teams is their depth. 4 different players are averaging 10+ points per game, so committing to stopping just one player is impossible. Washington has been relying heavily on the 3 ball lately, and they have one of the best 3 shooters in the conference in Pat Morgan. I really think this game could go either way, but, I'll take the Shoremen at home in an extremely tight matchup.

Curious to see others thoughts on tomorrow afternoon's games?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 11, 2014, 01:27:05 AM

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's (Saturday, January 11) Centennial Conference games:

Dickinson @ Ursinus:   The Red Devils are and should be the heavy favorite. I will take the Devils handily.

F&M @ Washington:   Chesterton on a Saturday afternoon has historically been a tough place for the Diplomats to play! If Salandra is fully ready to go, I believe that the Diplomats will win this one even if it is in the Cain Center.

Haverford @ McDaniel:   Could be a close game. I will go out on a limb and say that after a big win earlier this week McDaniel will have a let-down. Fords win a close game on the road in a mild upset.

Johns Hopkins @ Swarthmore:   The Blue Jays should win this one as I think they are too strong inside for the Garnet.

Gettysburg @ Muhlenberg:   The Mules win at the "Barn".

I will not travel to Chesterton to see the Diplomats play. I have a late morning commitment and the early 2:00 P. M. start time precludes the trip from Myerstown. However, I hope to make the trek to Allentown early next week.

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 12, 2014, 11:06:41 AM
I noticed that Joe Krong is not on the F&M roster anymore. Perhaps reserved seat can find out what happened. It is a shame as I thought he had a lot of promise, even a potential key player by next year. Dips can afford no more player loss, depth is already a critical flaw.

Dips next trip to Mule Cavern should end their winning stretch. Once they get the likely foul trouble on Moune and/or Salandra the Mules will be ready to roll the Dips, this year there is no Hayk to bail them out. Right now it looks like Dickinson will easily win CC going away, with Mules, Jays and Dips battling to avoid play in game against McDaniel, with Gberg & Washington hoping to sneak in if anybody falters.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2014, 12:54:20 PM
Krong was unhappy with playing time and transferred.
Keep an eye on the roster, another player will be coming off soon.

Tough game in Chesterton, but F&M survived the tenacious defense barely.  On F&M's first 7 possessions of the second half, six of them ended up in turnovers without coming close to getting off a shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 12, 2014, 02:10:48 PM
Wheels appear to be coming off in Collegeville.  Doesn't look like any team chemistry, everyone out to get their own, no fight on Defense - have given up 94, 90, 80, and 90 pts the last 4 games.  Giving up 83 ppg.  Just not really sure what is going on but they are tough to watch thats for sure.  Looks like Dickinson on track to host the playoffs, not really sure if F&M can compete with them this year or not, Muhlenburg is probably the one team that can and will be a match-up to watch.  McDaniel seems to be surprising teams, always a tough place to play down there
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 13, 2014, 12:06:29 AM

Here are my predictions for Tuesday night's Centennial Conference games:

Ursinus @ Washington:   Shoremen

Johns Hopkins@ Dickinson:   Could be a close game. However, I think the Devils will claim the win.

McDaniel @ Swarthmore:   McDaniel

F&M @ Muhlenberg:   I will pick with my heart and take the Diplomats to pull off the upset.

Regards to all. Enjoy the games.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 13, 2014, 06:56:00 AM
I think Swat appears to have taken a step backwards recently as they played back to back terrible games. In 13 games, I believe they have started four different point guards. I also think playing some really bad teams out of conference was not a good idea. Yes it got wins, but didn't show them where they were weak. 39 and 47 points will not win many games at the college level. I do hope they bounce back but if they take KB's threes away and JK (their best player) keeps getting limited playing time, I don't know where the scoring is going to come from. For reasons I don't understand, seniors get less playing time than they got the previous three years. I think it demoralizes them. Of course there may be a reason why that I don't know. I thought SL played incredible when he got the chance and has been sent back to the bench for unknown reasons. Just my two cents as I think I am the only Swat guy on here. Cheers all!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on January 13, 2014, 08:03:09 AM
Mid Season Thoughts:

Dickinson- Very impressed in their conference play but even more impressed with how they have played outside the conference. Would love to see them ranked top 25 this week.
F&M- Nervous to say the team is back with all the roster changes and it's tough for me to believe in a team without a PG especially when they have to beat PG's like Killing and Honig. If they win Tuesday in Allentown, that will prove ALOT.
Muhlenberg- The team with the most talent from top to bottom. Need to see it more consistently. Hargrove always seems to play better second semester. Even though the Red Devils seem to be the class of the conference, the mules have beat them the last 4 out of 5 games with a sweep last year when the Devils won the league.
JHU- Will finish in the 2/3 game. There difficult schedule will help them down the stretch. Burgarinovic needs to raise his game for them to fight for hosting the tourney (the only way I see them beating the Mules or Red Devils)
McDaniel-I am not surprised with the play from the terror but will be surprised once they start winning away from Westminster. @Swat next...trap game??? Pupelis is tough matchup in this league
Gettysburg- Love the productive from their freshman class but seems like that's all they have. What is going on with Emerusabe????
Washington- Been very impressed with Morgan. Just don't think they have enough to win on the road but watch out if you still have "@Washington" on your schedule
Haverford- Don't sleep on the Fords as they are going to have some big wins in the second half of the year that will turn some heads.
Swat - It is amazing how much the coach can't figure out who the best players are on his own team after 2 years.
Ursinus - At the point it is painful to look at the box scores...shows you how fast a program can fall with players being selfish.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 13, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
Happy Monday, if there is such a thing. Here are my picks for Tuesday night:

Ursinus @ Washington: Close loss to F&M Saturday will leave Washington in a bad mood. I think they win, big.

Johns Hopkins @ Dickinson: I think the Blue Jays can and will give Dickinson all kinds of trouble. But in the end, look for Wixted and company to bring home another win.

McDaniel @ Swarthmore: This has trap game written all over it, right? Longer road trip for McDaniel plus the Garnet are due for a win. That being said, I think the Green Terror sneak one out, but it will be closer than most think.

Gettysburg @ Haverford: The Fords defense actually matches up fairly well with the pace Gettysburg plays at. And Haverford is due for a W, like Swat. I'll take the Fords.

F&M @ Muhlenberg: Awesome matchup here. I think this game will tell a lot about how the 2/3 playoff race could shake out. I know F&M is the hottest team in the CC right now but I can't find a way how they win this matchup. The Mules are a much deeper team and Hargrove is starting to play a little like his old self. I don't think the Diplomats will be able to slow down Malique Killing enough in this matchup. Give me the Mules at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 13, 2014, 08:46:39 PM
my winners:
washington
hopkins
mcdaniel
gettysburg
muhlenberg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 14, 2014, 04:03:24 PM
Now that he's off the roster, Tošković is gone for F&M as well.

Tonight should say a lot about where the Dips are going to wind up on the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2014, 09:56:29 AM
Despite some bias calls, F&M was able to do what it needed to do--stay out of foul trouble.  Killing has some problems with Porter covering him, so Porter's fouls were a main concern.  After picking up one real early, he did a great job of staying out of foul trouble, despite Killing's attempts to draw fouls.  F&M received balanced scoring due to a team effort to distribute the ball and keep it moving.  Morgan had a beast of game with 19 points and 8 rebounds.
Phelps(19), Salandra(15), and Moune(12 plus 12 rebounds) kept the Mules from keying on one player.  Exciting game--nasty ride home(FOG)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2014, 09:55:11 PM
Two more drops from F&M's roster--down to 10 active players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 16, 2014, 11:25:11 PM
i wonder what the exodus from f&m basketball is all about?
playing time...?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2014, 03:34:49 PM
These changes were not about playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
wow what is going on at F&M?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
Looks like a set roster now.  Players are getting into their roles, and little conflict over playing time.  Everyone seems to know their role now, and the team seems to be playing more like a team.  Some players seemed more concern about their individual stats instead of the team's.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2014, 06:39:22 PM
 Yes, F&M looked pretty good in closing out the Mules; my fellow analysts of the Mid-Atlantic rankings seem to be overlooking their improvement of late.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 17, 2014, 08:30:32 PM
F&M really showed me something in their win against the mules the other night by holding a good offensive team down fairly easily. Great road win for the Dips.

Onto my picks for tomorrow:

Swarthmore @ Gettysburg: I don't think the bullets will have a problem at home against the Garnet

Dickinson @ Haverford: Wixted vs. Cohen should be a good matchup. Even if Cohen is able to contain Wixted, the Red Devils have too much other talent to be beat in this game.

Johns Hopkins @ Ursinus: the bears have to grab a CC win at some point, right? That being said I don't think it comes tomorrow as Hopkins is too strong of a team.

McDaniel @ F&M: McDaniel has had trouble in Lancaster. And it doesn't help that the Dips are the hottest team in the conference right now. F&M protects home court with the win.

Washington College @ Muhlenberg: two teams who aren't afraid to shoot the ball at all. Washington's game has been from beyond the arc in, while muhlenberg has a slasher in Killing and a true big man in Hargrove. But, for whatever reason, Hargrove has always struggled against the Shoremen. Washington has also not played well at The Mule Barn in the past. Earlier this season these two teams played in a 104-99 shootout....expect tomorrow to be high scoring too. I think the Mules pull it out at home but expect a close game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 17, 2014, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2014, 06:39:22 PM
Yes, F&M looked pretty good in closing out the Mules; my fellow analysts of the Mid-Atlantic rankings seem to be overlooking their improvement of late.

F&M hasn't beat anyone yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 17, 2014, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on January 17, 2014, 08:30:32 PM
F&M really showed me something in their win against the mules the other night by holding a good offensive team down fairly easily. Great road win for the Dips.

Onto my picks for tomorrow:

Swarthmore @ Gettysburg: I don't think the bullets will have a problem at home against the Garnet

Dickinson @ Haverford: Wixted vs. Cohen should be a good matchup. Even if Cohen is able to contain Wixted, the Red Devils have too much other talent to be beat in this game.

Johns Hopkins @ Ursinus: the bears have to grab a CC win at some point, right? That being said I don't think it comes tomorrow as Hopkins is too strong of a team.

McDaniel @ F&M: McDaniel has had trouble in Lancaster. And it doesn't help that the Dips are the hottest team in the conference right now. F&M protects home court with the win.

Washington College @ Muhlenberg: two teams who aren't afraid to shoot the ball at all. Washington's game has been from beyond the arc in, while muhlenberg has a slasher in Killing and a true big man in Hargrove. But, for whatever reason, Hargrove has always struggled against the Shoremen. Washington has also not played well at The Mule Barn in the past. Earlier this season these two teams played in a 104-99 shootout....expect tomorrow to be high scoring too. I think the Mules pull it out at home but expect a close game.

Not sure F&M is any hotter than Dickinson. Certainly playing better but beating teams from the middle to bottom of a weaker Mid Atlantic conference. Lets see what they do with their next 2 games vs McDaniel and Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 18, 2014, 10:04:26 AM
killing scored 22 (8 for 17 shooting) with 4 assists against F&M
porter was guarding him and had 6 points (2 for 9 shooting) and 1 assist
both played 35 minutes
reserved seat...i know you are a big porter fan but if this game is any indication it doesn't seem like killing has much of a problem with porter guarding him
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2014, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2014, 06:39:22 PM
Yes, F&M looked pretty good in closing out the Mules; my fellow analysts of the Mid-Atlantic rankings seem to be overlooking their improvement of late.

As one of those... I am not overlooking their improvement... but at CC pointed out... who have they beaten?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2014, 05:43:28 PM
F&M was out-hustled and outmuscled by McDaniel.  McDaniel sprinted out to an early lead as they hit some early threes, as F&M missed numerous lay-ups.  McDaniel went into the locker room leading 36-23 and traded runs with F&M during the second half.   With F&M's losing the boards (37/24) coupled with their horrendous shooting, McDaniel was able to weather any runs by F&M.  Phelps(0) and Lee(3) both had off nights.  Porter lead the scoring with 19 points and Salandra fought for a hard 15 points.  McDaniel received good guard shooting.  F&M will have to regroup and have better scoring from Phelps and Lee to have a chance against Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 18, 2014, 09:23:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2014, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2014, 06:39:22 PM
Yes, F&M looked pretty good in closing out the Mules; my fellow analysts of the Mid-Atlantic ran be a kings seem to be overlooking their improvement of late.

As one of those... I am not overlooking their improvement... but at CC pointed out... who have they beaten?

Their loss to McDaniel supports why no one had them in their top 8 regional rankings. Winning tonight would have been a strong win and showed me (not that that matters to much) their improvement was legit, not just wins vs mediocre teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 20, 2014, 06:22:35 AM

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's Centennial Conference games:

Muhlenberg @ Ursinus:   Mules have too much for the Bears.

McDaniel @ Gettysburg:   Gettysburg wins a nail-biter when Terror has let-down game after big win on road over F&M.

Washington @ Johns Hopkins:   Hopkins.

Swarthmore @ Haverford:   This game is a "coin flip" to me. I will take the Fords at home.

Dickinson @ F&M:   I will pick with my heart and take the Diplomats to win a close game at home to upset the heavily-favored Devils.  Unfortunately, I have an evening meeting scheduled which will preclude my attendance at Mayser Center.

Here are several of my observations from last week's games involving F&M. Although Killing scored his season average against F&M, Porter's defense in the second half clearly frustrated Killing as he tried take over the game and repeatedly tried to do too much.  Many times, the rest of the Mules were an afterthought to the "Killing Show" on offense. The game against McDaniel was a "trap game" and the Diplomats suffered a let-down and fell right into it and the loss.

Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 20, 2014, 09:34:11 AM
"Trap Game"= pre determined excuse. Really good teams win games. McDaniel is a good team this year, that in my opinion was not a trap game but a tough game off a big win. Haverford would have been a trap game if the Dips played them. Dips playing decent ball last 3 weeks and have a huge test this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 20, 2014, 12:46:38 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on January 20, 2014, 06:22:35 AM

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's Centennial Conference games
I'm sure you're aware, but these are Wednesday's games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2014, 02:51:25 PM
Sorry - can't jump on the idea that the F&M-McDaniel game was a trap game either... especially considering they already played each other this year and the score was F&M 66-61.

McDaniel is 11-4 and 6-2 in the conference... nothing about their resume describes them as qualifying for a "trap game."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 20, 2014, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2014, 02:51:25 PM
Sorry - can't jump on the idea that the F&M-McDaniel game was a trap game either... especially considering they already played each other this year and the score was F&M 66-61.

McDaniel is 11-4 and 6-2 in the conference... nothing about their resume describes them as qualifying for a "trap game."

Could you, Dave, see McDaniel sneaking into the 9th spot for Regional Rankings?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2014, 04:49:53 PM
Honestly... it depends on SOS numbers. Maybe, but the conference really isn't helping the OWP and OOWP numbers right now. Certainly not bad, just not helping. But McDaniel only has four losses and that will help... though this region is DEEP this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 20, 2014, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2014, 04:49:53 PM
Honestly... it depends on SOS numbers. Maybe, but the conference really isn't helping the OWP and OOWP numbers right now. Certainly not bad, just not helping. But McDaniel only has four losses and that will help... though this region is DEEP this year.

Which Landmark team do you like in the RR's? I liked Juniata until their loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 20, 2014, 07:30:47 PM
wednesday games:
muhlenberg
mcdaniel
washington
swarthmore
f&m
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 21, 2014, 09:14:37 AM
Thinking at some point Dickinson needs to be ranked. I guess the loss to Juniata and RMC are holding them back. If they go 2-0 this week starting with a game against the Dips tomorrow night they should get there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 21, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
centennial seems to be having a down year as a conference
there are not alot  of strong players this year
so far,dickinson has the best record but i am not sure they will win the conference (muhlenberg, f&m and mcdaniel also good candidates)
i think wixted is the best player in the conference, and was last year as well
seretti gets the most out of his guys. they play hard and play together, but they do not strike me as an upper level d3 team. they win on common sense basketball and foul shooting, which is enough in this conference, but they are a bit short on talent to compete with top d3 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 21, 2014, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: centfan on January 21, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
centennial seems to be having a down year as a conference
there are not alot  of strong players this year
so far,dickinson has the best record but i am not sure they will win the conference (muhlenberg, f&m and mcdaniel also good candidates)
i think wixted is the best player in the conference, and was last year as well
seretti gets the most out of his guys. they play hard and play together, but they do not strike me as an upper level d3 team. they win on common sense basketball and foul shooting, which is enough in this conference, but they are a bit short on talent to compete with top d3 teams.

They made it to the 2nd rd of the NCAA's last year with this group. They lost one guy who was in their primary rotation, Barsanti, who was not a major impact guy though. 6'9 Collins didn't play a whole season last year and is healthy this year. They return two all region players Honig and Wixted and Wixted was all district. Angradi is a sophomore now and is much better than last year.  This team is more experienced with the same pieces as last year and better, IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on January 22, 2014, 08:44:04 AM
I predict tonight will turn this conference upside down and have everyone wondering who is going to win this league....


Muhlenberg @ Ursinus:   Mules by 38 pts. Just look how killing and hargrove traditionally do against the bears.

McDaniel @ Gettysburg:   McDaniel in an ugly game. First team to 50 points wins. Green Terror are for real. Only a few wins away from being the best team in school history.

Washington @ Johns Hopkins:   Washington

Swarthmore @ Haverford:   Haverford

Dickinson @ F&M:  In the dip zone, they have some revenge after last years CC finals. F&M by double digits...

Safe Travels...best time of the year in the CC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 22, 2014, 02:44:41 PM
cchoopster
i guess you are a dickinson fan!!
what you say is all true, but i still feel that the number of guys who can make plays on dickinson is limited
(and it was limited last year as well)
their second game in the 2013 tourney was a wake-up call in terms of the different levels of play within D3
f&m actually seems more balanced than dickinson to me despite their rough start this year
dickinson still has f&m twice,muhlenberg twice and mcdaniel once more this season
i expect f&m to be tougher for them than muhlenberg, as wixted should get the best of the mules down low much easier than what he has to deal with against f&m
good luck


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 22, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
Glad to see the weather didn't wipe out tonight's games! Here are my predictions:

Muhlenberg @ Ursinus: no reason to think the mules shouldn't roll in this one

McDaniel @ Gettysburg: Green Terror are due for a loss. I think Gettysburg gives it to them tonight.

Swarthmore @ Haverford: coin flip. I'll take the fords at home.

Washington @ Johns Hopkins: good matchup. Both teams could use a win to stay close in the CC playoff race. I'll take the Shoremen on the road.

Dickinson @ F&M: clearly the best game in the CC tonight. You know F&M is still mad over their McDaniel loss. But in the end, Dickinson hasn't given me a reason to pick against them all year long. Give me the Red Devils for the huge road win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 22, 2014, 06:21:20 PM
strange game going on at ursinus...killing has about 23 in 10 minutes of first half. shoots every time down. my feeling is that muhlenberg will pay the price for allowing so much emphasis on one player. looks a little like kobe...give malique the ball and everybody stands around and watches. killing took 21 shots in the first half and muhlenberg is  up 5 (36-31) at half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on January 22, 2014, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: centfan on January 22, 2014, 06:21:20 PM
strange game going on at ursinus...killing has about 23 in 10 minutes of first half. shoots every time down. my feeling is that muhlenberg will pay the price for allowing so much emphasis on one player. looks a little like kobe...give malique the ball and everybody stands around and watches. killing took 21 shots in the first half and muhlenberg is  up 5 (36-31) at half.

Probably had to do with Ursinus packing in a soft zone in the first 10 mins of first half.   They were basically tempting killing to take 3's.   I would as he shoots 30% from 3.   So he did and made 5 3's in the first 10 mins.  They switched to a matchup zone, but that didn't help much.   Ursinus doesn't have anyone that can guard him one on one.  Saw the stats.  Killing shot 15-29. Had 4 assists and one TO.    I wouldn't get too concerned, it is one game and was a function of matchup problems for the bears.   Second half the ball distribution was better for Muhlenberg and the lead grew exponentially to 25.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 22, 2014, 10:09:35 PM
just watched f&m/dickinson. porter did a great job and shut down honig (2-12, 5 pts,4 turnovers) and took him out of the game. salandra and moune (who had 16 pts 7 rebounds) handled wixted very well (1-6, 7 pts, 6 turnovers). i think the toughness and athleticism was too much for dickinson, which i expected. salandra had 10 points, 6 rebounds, 7 assists and is a consistent, solid presence.  dickinson outrebounded f&m 41 to 31 but f&m's defense was very good. f&m is playing well without being deep. phelps looked good. phelps, porter, salandra, moune and lee are the best 5 in the conference when they are on the court together. other teams have their stars but f&m has five guys who can make plays. they are tough and are starting to gel. they are tenacious and used to winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 22, 2014, 10:48:18 PM
F&M took advantage of Wixted's twisted ankle, and with Porter's defense on Honig, F&M was able to control.  But for one more point by Phelps, all five F&M starters would have been in double figures.  Honig struggled getting off any good looks and shot 2 for 12 with some horrendous turnovers.  Poor foul shooting(18 of 34) by F&M kept the game tight to the end.  The ugly loss to McDaniel on Saturday keeps F&M from sharing the lead.  Dickinson controlled the boards, by blocks by F&M help counter that advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 23, 2014, 08:45:40 AM
Quote from: centfan on January 22, 2014, 02:44:41 PM
cchoopster
i guess you are a dickinson fan!!
what you say is all true, but i still feel that the number of guys who can make plays on dickinson is limited
(and it was limited last year as well)
their second game in the 2013 tourney was a wake-up call in terms of the different levels of play within D3
f&m actually seems more balanced than dickinson to me despite their rough start this year
dickinson still has f&m twice,muhlenberg twice and mcdaniel once more this season
i expect f&m to be tougher for them than muhlenberg, as wixted should get the best of the mules down low much easier than what he has to deal with against f&m
good luck

No, not a Dickinson fan at all. I follow the MAC Commonwealth Conference the most. Dickinson/FnM are local schools to me so I get a chance to watch them some. Since Dickinsons turnaround, i've tried to catch a DC/FnM game each year. Got to go to the game with my son last night. They have become some great games!

I didn't watch the Devils game last year in rd 2 so I'' take your respected word for it! By the score I imagine you are right. Tough to win on the road in the NCAA's! CC should be a contested finish for the top spot. Good luck all
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on January 23, 2014, 09:53:55 AM
After seeing the Mules / Bears game last night....

Coach Small has completely given up... He decided to NOT guard the best scorer in the conference...Killing had 28 in the first half. Then in the second half he decides to make NO adjustments. Killing did a great job of getting his teammates involved in the second half (Stavetski, Hargrove) It is embarrassing how much bad Ursinus is on defense.

VERY impressed with MCD winning on the road without Pupelis... that makes that 6 road wins in the conference in a row...I am a believer!!!

Can't wait the stretch run
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 24, 2014, 01:10:58 PM
Here are my picks for tomorrow's games:

Muhlenberg @ Johns Hopkins: early 1pm tipoff for what should be a great game. Malique Killing destroyed Ursinus the other night but Hopkins plays much tougher defense than the Bears do. This is a pick em game for me, but I'll take the Mules on the road. Hargrove needs to be dominant in the post.

Ursinus @ McDaniel: boy, so much for me thinking the Green Terror would have a letdown at Gettysburg the other night! I think McDaniel runs away with this one.

Haverford @ F&M: huge, huge, HUGE win for F&M the other night over the Red Devils. I like them to roll in this game too.

Dickinson @ Swarthmore: I think the Red Devils are steaming mad about what happened the other night and I think they take it out on the Garnet.

Gettysburg @ Washington: It's never too early to start talking playoff eliminators and I think we have one of those here. Both teams need a win to stay fairly close in the CC playoff chase. Either JHU or Muhlenberg will be in 5th place at 6-4 after their matchup earlier in the day. Both the Bullets and Shoremen can stay within shouting distance if they pick up a win. I'll take the Shoremen at home in a close contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 25, 2014, 02:20:55 AM

Here are my picks for Saturday's (tomorrow's) Centennial Conference games:

Muhlenberg @ Johns Hopkins:  Should be a close game. Mules sometimes have trouble away from the "Barn". So, I will take the Blue Jays in a coin flip game because of the tough defense that they play and because I think they will limit Hargrove inside.

Ursinus @ McDaniel:   McDaniel. Bears give me no reason to think that they can hang close to the Terror.

Haveford @ F&M:   Diplomats should win at Mayser Center as long as they don't have a let-down.

Dickinson @ Swarthmore:   Devils will rebound from tough loss to the Diplomats on Wednesday and should win going away.

Gettysburg @ Washington:   Another close game that could go either way. I will take the Shoremen who are always tough in afternoon games at home in Gill Center.

Hope that everyone is surviving this difficult and trying winter season? Enjoy the games! Regard to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 25, 2014, 11:38:25 AM
sat picks:
hopkins
mcdaniel
f&m
dickinson
washington

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 25, 2014, 03:07:06 PM
solid win for hopkins over muhlenberg
hopkins had 5 guys in double figures and played together
solid team basketball, hopkins looked tough with a bunch of guys contributing
all starters played well plus vasiliadis and kotoulis off bench
killing just can't do it alone but he tries...
33 points,.13-24 shooting, 3 assists, 6-7 from line, 6 turnovers
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2014, 06:57:02 PM
F&M received a career effort from Salandra, as Jon carried the Dips to tight win off a hungry Haverford team.  Haverford kept fighting back and received double figure scoring from 3 players.  F&M could never pull away and allowed the Fords to keep battling back into the game.  F&M seemed to have a hard time getting the ball into Moune, but Cedric pulled down 15 rebounds and blocked 3 shots. Port struggled to get on the scoreboard but scored several key points during the last minute.  F&M needs to finish strong to earn home rights for the play-offs. Currently they control their destiny if they keep winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2014, 07:34:48 PM
Killing should try to get his teammates involved instead of doing it himself.  Curry impressed me when he was a freshman, but he never gets an opportunity with Killing hogging the ball. Hargrove has never impressed me, but he's a big body and the ball occasionally has to be fed into him to take advantage of his height.  As long as Killing is a one-man team, Muhlenberg will struggle to win a champion ship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2014, 02:17:30 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 26, 2014, 05:20:33 PM
Hopkins looked good yesterday against the mules. They could be a dangerous team come playoff time. Killing is probably the most talented player in the conference (either him or Wixted) but he turns the ball over far too much and is too emotional on the court at times.

A little surprised at how F&M had a little trouble with haverford yesterday, but in the end a win is a win. Dickinson handles Swarthmore like I thought they would. And a great game in chestertown yesterday as Gettysburg took out Washington in overtime.

Does anybody else get the feeling the 5 playoff teams might be set? I know the bullets are only a game behind the mules but in the end I think the mules have enough talent that they won't fall out of the top 5. The only real question left to me seems to be the seedings.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 27, 2014, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: CCHOOPS12 on January 23, 2014, 09:53:55 AM
After seeing the Mules / Bears game last night....

Coach Small has completely given up... He decided to NOT guard the best scorer in the conference...Killing had 28 in the first half. Then in the second half he decides to make NO adjustments. Killing did a great job of getting his teammates involved in the second half (Stavetski, Hargrove) It is embarrassing how much bad Ursinus is on defense.

VERY impressed with MCD winning on the road without Pupelis... that makes that 6 road wins in the conference in a row...I am a believer!!!

Can't wait the stretch run

CCHOOPS,

Obviously, you don't know Coach Small very well----he does not give up.  The Bears are coming up short this year---that's obvious.  Any win will be an upset,  in my opinion.  However, he has some younger players who will get better as they mature.

To identify their problems this year, one needs only to look at their junior class---there is none.  Two of the four brought into that class, Phil Walker and Jermaine Kamara,  are no longer at Ursinus.  The other two, Mike Marciano and Trey Harry, can't get out of the trainer's room and have had no significant impact.

The senior class is marginal---Jesse Krasna is a really good player but is literally playing on on leg due to a chronic foot problem.  Ryan Adams is good offensively but is playing out of position.  Pat Vasturia is what he is----a great kid who can shoot but is limited athletically---particularly on the defensive end.

I think Coach Small will bring in some blue collar kids who will be physical, and commit to defense and team play.  They appear to have chemistry problems this year----and that needs to be corrected. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2014, 02:32:13 PM
Gabriel, certainly makes for a long season.  F&M is suiting up only 10 players, so foul trouble is a definite problem.  Losing Early 5 minutes into the season hurt the rotation for the bigs, but Moune has stepped up his game phenomenally.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 28, 2014, 04:18:24 PM
Here are my picks for tonight's CC games:

Swarthmore @ Washington: Both these teams need a win in the worst way. I'll take the Shoremen at home.

Muhlenberg @ Dickinson: One of the better games tonight. I can see the Mules pulling off a win but I'll still take the Red Devils at home.

Johns Hopkins @ McDaniel: Low scoring game I think. Give me McDaniel.

F&M @ Gettysburg: Could be a trouble game for the Diplomats if they aren't careful. But I'll still take them.

Haverford @ Ursinus: This is the night the Bears get their first CC win...you heard it here first!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on January 28, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
After watching the entire Mule Dickinson game...every coach will be so dumb not to name Killing Player of the Year (well at least first team for once!)...12 for 19 tonight for 35 points (3rd straight game with over 30 points AND shooting over 50 percent from the field in all 3 games) on the road. Btw look at wixted stats tonight and also his stats vs hargrove the past 3 times. Wixted is an excellent player but Hargrove has his number. Exciting game... definitely the 2 best teams in the league and looking forward to them to matchup again and probably a 3rd time. In my mind Dickinson is the best team in the league but I would not want to match up against Muhlenbergs talent in the playoffs...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 28, 2014, 09:48:38 PM
I think the summary of today's CC action is anyone can beat anyone and we're getting one team into the NCAAs, whoever wins the tournament (that'll probably be at McDaniel...)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 28, 2014, 10:05:48 PM
Changed my name on here but it is still me (Swat Dad). I watched the Swat game tonight and can't figure out what is going on. They have not taken a step back, they have taken a huge jump backwards. They got a large lead and then mainly the freshmen played and they lost a game they should have won. Most of the juniors and seniors are not seeing any playing time other than Barkley,  Keedy, and a little bit of Kober (their best player). It also seems that Swat has a different starting lineup every game. I really thought Swat would be mid pack this year and maybe making the playoffs.

On a side note, my son just spent the weekend with Coach Wimberly out in Arizona this past weekend. Wimbo is a class act who I (along with our whole family) will always love for all he did for us.

Some very interesting scores tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 28, 2014, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: CCHOOPS12 on January 28, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
After watching the entire Mule Dickinson game...every coach will be so dumb not to name Killing Player of the Year (well at least first team for once!)...12 for 19 tonight for 35 points (3rd straight game with over 30 points AND shooting over 50 percent from the field in all 3 games) on the road. Btw look at wixted stats tonight and also his stats vs hargrove the past 3 times. Wixted is an excellent player but Hargrove has his number. Exciting game... definitely the 2 best teams in the league and looking forward to them to matchup again and probably a 3rd time. In my mind Dickinson is the best team in the league but I would not want to match up against Muhlenbergs talent in the playoffs...
I think that f&m is the best team, as long as they stay out of foul trouble. i think they have the best group in the paint (most teams rely on one guy in there) and the best  pair of guards. there are better individual players than the ones on F&M but they don't have the other players that are strong that complement them like F&M does. phelps is turning out to be a very good point guard in the conference, porter is a great defender and can score, salandra is solid every night, and moune and lee are tough and strong down low. they get my vote. dickinson and muhlenberg are both good, but they just don't feel as solid as the season proceeds.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 28, 2014, 11:34:13 PM
hi swat fan
i hope wimberly is doing well, is healthy, and enjoying his life after his long stint at swat
he is a smart and funny guy and  a unique individual
i also thought swat would be much more competitive this season...don't get what is going on
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2014, 11:47:36 PM
Quote from: centfan on January 28, 2014, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: CCHOOPS12 on January 28, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
After watching the entire Mule Dickinson game...every coach will be so dumb not to name Killing Player of the Year (well at least first team for once!)...12 for 19 tonight for 35 points (3rd straight game with over 30 points AND shooting over 50 percent from the field in all 3 games) on the road. Btw look at wixted stats tonight and also his stats vs hargrove the past 3 times. Wixted is an excellent player but Hargrove has his number. Exciting game... definitely the 2 best teams in the league and looking forward to them to matchup again and probably a 3rd time. In my mind Dickinson is the best team in the league but I would not want to match up against Muhlenbergs talent in the playoffs...
I think that f&m is the best team, as long as they stay out of foul trouble. i think they have the best group in the paint (most teams rely on one guy in there) and the best  pair of guards. there are better individual players than the ones on F&M but they don't have the other players that are strong that complement them like F&M does. phelps is turning out to be a very good point guard in the conference, porter is a great defender and can score, salandra is solid every night, and moune and lee are tough and strong down low. they get my vote. dickinson and muhlenberg are both good, but they just don't feel as solid as the season proceeds.

Same F&M team that put up just 38 points tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
What happens when nothing goes right?  You lose to a 7-10 team(now 8-10).  With everyone struggling, this was one of the worse performances by an F&M team.  F&M shot 28%, were out rebounded, and turned the ball off uncontested. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 29, 2014, 06:54:27 AM
Quote from: centfan on January 28, 2014, 11:34:13 PM
hi swat fan
i hope wimberly is doing well, is healthy, and enjoying his life after his long stint at swat
he is a smart and funny guy and  a unique individual
i also thought swat would be much more competitive this season...don't get what is going on

Wimbo's health has not been great but he is hanging in there.  He IS a different guy away from the court: incredibly smart, very witty, and kind of a smart ass (I mean that in a good way), and very caring about his players and their studies. My son sees him as a second father and just adores him. Thank you for having nice things to say about him on here, I know not everyone shares your view.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 29, 2014, 07:49:49 AM
Swat Dad,

I share your feelings for Coach Wimberly.  I first met him in 1999 when Kevin Small was one of his assistants and have had the pleasure of talking to him several times in social settings.  What a character and what a nice man.  In my mind, he was a very good coach too.

Joy at Ursinus last night.  Bears won't frighten anyone this year but opponents should not take them lightly.  Bears got 33 points off the bench from Vasturia (20) and Norton (13) which helped immensely. Marciano made his first appearance in quite a while albeit for one minute. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 29, 2014, 10:10:50 AM


phelps and salandra shot a combined 4-26 last night...very bad night
i will still go with f&m, but it seems up for grabs...no team seems consistently dominant at this point
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 29, 2014, 11:36:06 AM
Still tend to think the CC playoffs go through Dickinson (hosting) but there is no way I would bet money on that. Any of Dickinson, Mules, F&M, McDaniel can win this thing. you are correct in that this is a 1 team NCAA conference. CAC will hog a few bids and the MAC-Commonwealth could get 2 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 30, 2014, 12:42:57 PM
Seems like it is going to be a pretty exciting finish here to the regular season with a tie for first and 4 other teams right there so it will be interesting to see who comes out on top and able to host the tourny.  I think Im with everyone else who is surprised Mcdaniel is right up there, not sure what the rest of their schedule looks like, but if they can find a way to pull off hosting that would be a HUGE advantage as it is one of the toughest places to play.  Pretty impressed with what Killing has been doing at Muhlenberg, i havent seen him play much, but seems lately like he is not really forcing shots like I think he has done before - he seems to have been taking what the D is giving him.  over the last 3 games has shot a really high percentage, which is impressive considering the amt of shots he has taken, but i think he is in a position where he needs to for them to be successful. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 31, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
I think the best thing about this conference is that it is 100% possible that anyone can beat anyone on any given night. I mean, it's entirely possible that any of the 5 current playoff teams could still wind up winning the conference and hosting the tournament! How many conferences can say that? These last 3 weeks of the season should be exciting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 31, 2014, 01:03:36 PM
Here are my picks for tomorrow's Centennial games:

Gettysburg @ Ursinus: The Bullets can't afford to lose this game and have hopes of making the CC tournament. And I think they'll win this one.

Dickinson @ Washington: Dickinson had problems with Washington earlier this year, down by 8 at the half, before Wixted woke up and willed his team to a 12 point win. The Red Devils are going to need him to be big again and take advantage of Washington's post play. The playoff hopes for Washington are pretty much done but they have the chance to be someone's spoiler as far as hosting the tournament. The next 3 games? Dickinson, McDaniel, F&M. I think the Shoremen can keep this game close but in the end I think the Red Devils will have too much firepower.

Johns Hopkins @ Haverford: Good teams win the games they should, and I think Hopkins will do that tomorrow

F&M @ Swarthmore: It's been a long while since Swarthmore had a CC win. They dominated the early stages of their game against Washington the other night, but as Swat Fan noted, they couldn't put the Shoremen away. F&M had a horrible offensive effort the other night against the Bullets and I think they come out firing in this game. I'll take F&M to win and keep pace with Dickinson.

McDaniel @ Muhlenberg: Probably the CC game of the day in my opinion. Muhlenberg had a big lead in the first matchup of the year in Westminster before they went ice cold and McDaniel scored the last 8 points to win. This game is crucial to both teams; to McDaniel as they try to stay a game out of first, and to the Mules as they try to stay clear of the 5th/6th place borderline. The Mule Barn is such a tough place to play and Killing has been on FIRE lately. I think McDaniel will make a better than most effort to shut him down in this game, but when they do I think Killing will be able to get his teammates more involved and lift the Mules to a big win.

What does everyone else think about tomorrow's games?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on January 31, 2014, 01:47:56 PM
I like your thoughts CCD3basketball...

I smell a HUGE upset tomorrow with WAC over Dick. Also, I do believe FnM will win but remember Swat beat them last year (could be closer than everyone thought.) Gettysburg has to win or it is over...this is a must win game and I am interested to see how the freshman will play in a pressure game... Mcdaniel (a team I predict to make the playoffs this year) will struggle tomorrow in the Mule Barn (I heard Jay Bilas and the crew will be there for College Gameday). Just too big of a stage for this team, look for a monster game from Hargrove... especially if Pupelis is still sidelined. Of course JHU will bounce back strong vs Haverford.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 31, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
I definitely think WAC can pull the upset, but they're going to have to cut back on the turnovers and come out firing on all cylinders. Pat Morgan (son of Haverford women's head coach Bobbi) has been hot from beyond the arc lately. I think the Shoremen need more of the same from him. And, they have to get some sort of post play to neutralize Dickinson's. Not necessarily shut the Red Devil posts down, but keep up with them enough to allow the 3 point shooters to work their touch. It looks like Cunningham hasn't played for them lately (injury I guess?) so any post production they can get is huge.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 31, 2014, 06:20:41 PM
sat picks:
gettysburg
washington
hopkins
f&m
mcdaniel
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Looks like F&M is down another player.  One of the players was being evaluated for a season-ending injury.  Should know more tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2014, 08:38:17 PM

Conf   All
Dickinson                           9-2   
McDaniel                           9-2   
Frank. & Marsh.            8-3   
Muhlenberg                   7-4   
Johns Hopkins                   7-4
Gettysburg                   6-5   
Washington College           4-7   
Haverford                           2-9   
Swarthmore                   2-9   
Ursinus                           1-10

CCD3Basketball, based on the above standings, I'm confused about some of your statements.

QuoteThis game is crucial to both teams; to McDaniel as they try to stay a game out of first
QuoteI'll take F&M to win and keep pace with Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 01, 2014, 01:34:24 AM
Yeah, simple mistake. Got F&M and McDaniel backwards in the standings in my head as I typed my picks. Guess I'm just as surprised to see McDaniel be tied for first as everyone else!

After tomorrow, I see F&M and McDaniel being tied for second, a game behind the Red Devils. As much as I think Dickinson could be on upset alert against the Shoremen (thats such a long road trip, plus its an opposite doubleheader, so the men play at 2pm), I still think they find a way to win.

Hopefully the F&M injury isn't too serious or isn't to a real key player....they can't afford to lose anybody else long term.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 01, 2014, 01:59:01 AM

Here are my predictions for tomorrow's games:

Gettysburg @ Ursinus:   Gettysburg

Dickinson @ Washington:   May be close for awhile but I expect the Devils to win going away even on the road in a tough place to play.

Johns Hopkins @ Haverford:   Blue Jays have been known to have trouble on the road. However, I expect that they have too much for the Fords to pull off the upset.

F&M @ Swarthmore:   Diplomats win this one, assuming all of their starters are playing.

McDaniel @ Muhlenberg:   Mules win at home in the "Barn"

Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 01, 2014, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Looks like F&M is down another player.  One of the players was being evaluated for a season-ending injury.  Should know more tomorrow.

That is a shame as the four years go by so fast. I hate to see this. I hope the young man is back quickly!

Swat was without their best player (Kober) last game and was in street clothes for the game. It appeared to be an ankle injury. I am not sure of his status. Without him, teams focus on Barkley and the team struggles to score.

On another note, I am in the Syracuse area and there has never been a sporting event that has charged people up around here other than the national championship game a few years ago. The SU-Duke game is a sell out with over 35,000 people going. Everyone was dressed in orange yesterday. I love college hoop! I hope everyone has a great day watching the greatest sport on earth!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2014, 07:41:36 PM
F&M struggled to put away an aggressive Swarthmore.  F&M had its troubles early as the Garnet raced to a 18-8 lead, but F&M was able to fight back to tie the score before giving up some points at the end of the half to give the Garnet a 36-31 lead.  Stepping up the defense in the second half keyed by freshman Jared Wright the Dips were able to force Swarthmore into more contested shots.  The Garnet's early threes added the early run.  The Garnet's aggressive defense had them in foul trouble(28-14) much of the second half as they try to prevent F&M from pounding the ball inside.  F&M's foul shooting(19-32) woes continue to plague F&M keeping them from taking advantage of all the fouls.  Swarthmore's foul shooting was excellent(13-16)

Caleb Faison should be our about 3 weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 02, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
i see phelps played very few minutes for F&M...is he okay? anybody (reserved seat) kow why?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2014, 11:37:16 AM
Phelps was struggling on defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 04, 2014, 12:33:56 AM
thanks...was hoping he wasn't injured
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on February 04, 2014, 02:59:35 PM
As we are in the last month of the season here are my end of the season awards. Let me hear your thoughts as I am sure some of you FnM and Ursinus guys won't agree

1st team
Killing
Honig
Hammer
Wixted
Salandra

2nd team
Porter
Morgan
Moune
Cohen
Hargrove

Player of the Year- Killing
Rookie of the Year - Kiefer
Coach of the Year- Kevin Curley
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 05, 2014, 10:26:07 AM
CCHOOPS12,

I'll entertain your All-CC teams talk with one of my own!

First Team

Malique Killing, Muhlenberg- No brainer. The offense revolves around him. If he were to have an off night or be in foul trouble the Mules would be doomed.
Adam Honig, Dickinson- Wixted gets a lot of the headlines but the team runs through Honig too. Having an excellent season.
Jon Salandra, F&M- Great all around player. Scores, shoots great, cleans up rebounds and blocks shots.
Gerry Wixted, Dickinson- Should have been CC player of the year last year. Another obvious first teamer.
Matt Porter, F&M- Could honestly flip flop him and Hammer from Hopkins here. But I think Porter's defense gives him the edge.


Second Team

Jimmy Hammer, Hopkins- Hopkins is balanced but when Hammer gets hot he can turn a game
Brett Cohen, Haverford- To me, if Haverford was winning more he would be an obvious first teamer. Was tempted to place him there anyhow. Scores, rebounds, defends. Just doesn't have the help/wins to make his numbers look spectacular.
Pat Morgan, Washington College- The conference's best 3 ball shooter this year. Has kept the Shoremen in a lot of close games with his shooting.
George Bugarinovic, Hopkins- Perhaps being overlooked by most, but is a great post presence for the Jays. The best big man that nobody ever pays attention to.
Cedric Moune, F&M/Kevin Hargrove, Muhlenberg- Have a hard time deciding between these two. Take your pick. Moune almost averaging a double/double and stays on the court a lot longer than Hargrove because he stays out of foul trouble. At the same time, when Hargrove is on, he's one of the best big men in the conference.

Player Of The Year-Malique Killing, Muhlenberg. If Wixted gets hot over the last couple weeks and Dickinson wins the regular season title, I can see him stealing it. But Wixted's chances may even be hurt by the fact that Honig is playing so well. There's no doubt that the entire Muhlenberg game plan revolves around Killing and he has gotten even better this year compared to his first two. That's a scary thought.

Rookie Of The Year-Cody Kiefer, Gettysburg. Having a great all around season for the Bullets. I think this competition could come down to him and his own teammate, Tanner Kirkpatrick. Both will be key for the Bullets in years to come.

Coach Of The Year-Kevin Curley, McDaniel. And it's not even close. Based on my predictions, McDaniel won't have anybody on the first or second team this season. Despite that, the Green Terror sit at second in the CC, one game behind the Red Devils for first place. If that alone doesn't SCREAM Coach Of The Year, then nothing does.

Curious to see everyone else's thoughts? I'm sure everyone has different opinions!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 05, 2014, 10:36:27 AM
Another big night of CC Hoops on tap! Here are my picks:

Gettysburg @ Dickinson: Tough game for the Bullets. They need every win they can get to keep pace in the playoff chase. But a road trip to Carlisle doesn't help things. Too much Wixted and Honig. Red Devils get the W.

Ursinus @ Swarthmore: Swat at home. I think.

Washington College @ McDaniel: These teams do NOT like each other at all. McDaniel won a close one on the road the first time around and their season has exploded since. The Shoremen have been close in so many games this year and I  think they give McDaniel a run for their money tonight. In the end, however, I think McDaniel finds a way to win at home.

Muhlenberg @ Haverford: The Fords won't have an answer for Killing in this matchup. Looking forward to the Cohen/Hargrove battle in the post too. Mules pick up a W on the road.

F&M @ Johns Hopkins: The Blue Jays smoked F&M the first time around, in Lancaster no less. I think F&M will remember that and come out swinging in this game. If the Blue Jays can withstand the initial surge, they will be fine.  In the end, look for a low scoring game.....and the Blue Jays come out on top.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 05, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Ursinus/Swarthmore and Washington/McDaniel postponed til tomorrow due to the ice storm. Everything else is still on so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 05, 2014, 07:47:01 PM
I just checked out the box scores and another game that Wixted did not start and played limited minutes. I saw him in one of his early first year games and thought he was incredible. Anyone know what is going on?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: shoreman55 on February 05, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
Big loss for the Mules tonight against a scrappy Haverford team. Haverford and WAC seem to be giving teams at least some trouble even if they aren't getting wins. Good for a well-rounded conference to have as few walkover games as possible.

Biggest loss for the Mules tonight may be Killing, who will be out after getting tossed with two technical fouls...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 06, 2014, 06:36:28 PM
JHU played a well-rounded game to convincing put F&M away during the final 7:34 mark.  With Hopkins leading 54-50, Jon Salandra picked up an offensive rebound on a missed F&M foul shot with an easy opportunity to get a lay-up.  The call came out of nowhere giving Salandra his fourth foul after picking up two quick fouls just a few minutes earlier.  With Jon heading to the bench, F&M was outscored 14-3 over the next 7:31. Poor foul shooting and poor 3-point shooting continue to plague F&M.  Foul shooting 13 for 35  Hopkins 14 for 16
3 point shooting 1 for 8  Hopkins 7 for 13.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 07, 2014, 12:33:57 PM
Picks for this weekend:

Ursinus @Dickinson: Dickinson

Washington @F&M: F&M

McDaniel @Haverford: McDaniel

Swarthmore @Hopkins: Hopkins

Muhlenberg @Gettysburg: big game. Going with the mules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 07, 2014, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 05, 2014, 07:47:01 PM
I just checked out the box scores and another game that Wixted did not start and played limited minutes. I saw him in one of his early first year games and thought he was incredible. Anyone know what is going on?

If the game you're referring to is the game at Washington College on 2/1:  Wixted started, played over 30 minutes, had 20 points and 15 rebounds....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 07, 2014, 04:15:18 PM
These are his stats from the last five games:
                                                                mins                                                          points
Jan 22    at Franklin & Marshall L, 67-58    23    1-6    16.7    0-2    0.0    5-5      100.0         7
Jan 25    at Swarthmore   W, 80-52        20    2-3    66.7    1-1    100  2-3       66.7          7
Jan 28    Muhlenberg   L, 75-72        27    0-6    0.0    0-2    0.0    2-2       100.0        2
Feb 1    at Washington College W, 79-69 33    5-9    55.6    0-1    0.0    10-12   83.3        20
Feb 5    Gettysburg   W, 67-55        21    4-5    80.0    1-1    100    4-4       100.0       13

Four out of five games with under 30 minutes and three of five games under 10 points. I had him as player off the year before the season started. I was just wondering if he was injured or if there is something else going on. The same thing is going on with Kober and I don't get it. When he gets minutes, he plays well and Swat is competitive. When he is on the bench, they aren't.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 08, 2014, 08:46:34 AM
swatdad
i am guessing that wixted has a "nagging injury" of some sort.
in the case of swat i would say the coach is (like most coaches) not so easy to understand. it isn't the first time he has sat one of his better players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 08, 2014, 10:07:05 AM
Pretty easy explanations for three of those Wixted games. Swarthmore game he had two fouls in six first-half minutes. Finished with four fouls. Muhlenberg game he picked up his second foul with 9:26 left in the first half and had four fouls in the game. Gettysburg game, the final score was much closer than it looked. Dickinson was up by 26 points at halftime and the bench then played a ton. Nothing to see there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 08, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: sunny on February 08, 2014, 10:07:05 AM
Pretty easy explanations for three of those Wixted games. Swarthmore game he had two fouls in six first-half minutes. Finished with four fouls. Muhlenberg game he picked up his second foul with 9:26 left in the first half and had four fouls in the game. Gettysburg game, the final score was much closer than it looked. Dickinson was up by 26 points at halftime and the bench then played a ton. Nothing to see there.

Sunny - Thank you! The kid is a beast when he gets the ball down low. That explains it!

Hope everyone has a great day of hoop!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 08, 2014, 06:13:24 PM
Thinking maybe the young man read my post, got mad, and went out and dropped 26 today. Well done Mr. Wixted!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
With Cedric Moune in early foul trouble, freshman Lior Levy stepped up to play adequate defense and scored 10 points.  Matt Porter had a career night as he scored 30 points.  Figueroa played good defense and scored 9 points including 2 threes.  Wright's defense continues to harass the opponent into rushed chances. 
Weston came off the bench to lead the Shoremen with 14 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 08, 2014, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
With Cedric Moune in early foul trouble, freshman Lior Levy stepped up to play adequate defense and scored 10 points.  Matt Porter had a career night as he scored 30 points.  Figueroa played good defense and scored 9 points including 2 threes.  Wright's defense continues to harass the opponent into rushed chances. 
Weston came off the bench to lead the Shoremen with 14 points.

Wright started at the point today over Phelps. He seems to be a better defender, and Phelps a better scorer. Don't think either of them is the point guard F&M needs to be successful. Robinson's system demands a great point guard, and they don't have one right now. Still, the Dips are winning more games than I thought they would given the depleted roster. I think they're looking at a 4-5 play-in game. Think the road to NCAAs goes through Carlisle, although McDaniel, Hopkins or Muhlenberg could be dancing if any of them get hot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 10, 2014, 08:50:30 AM
I think I'm ready to call the 5 playoff teams as they are now. What I mean by that is, I don't think Gettysburg can catch the Mules now, down 2 games plus the Mules own the breaker.

I don't think the Mules can make enough of a run to have a chance at hosting anymore. But that being said, I could still see any of the top 4 teams hosting. Obviously the big game Wednesday night is McDaniel at Dickinson. If McDaniel can find a way to win up in Carlisle, combined with wins by JHU and F&M? Things get real interesting over the next week and a half, especially with other matchups on the horizon (Dickinson still has to go to Hopkins and Muhlenberg).

Needless to say, the finish is shaping up great!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 10, 2014, 08:54:08 AM
Also, according to the box score, no Malique Killing on Saturday for the Mules against the Bullets? Anyone have a story there?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 10, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Sure hope the play-offs aren't at Hopkins--only the chosen will get to see the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2014, 11:19:16 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 10, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Sure hope the play-offs aren't at Hopkins--only the chosen will get to see the games.

  One would think that you'd be among "the chosen", but I sense you're being more magnaminous than that. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on February 10, 2014, 11:25:48 AM
I know that it's still a little bit too early to start predicting the playoff picture with much certainty, but just a few things to consider:

It all feels a little bit silly to even look at all of this with 4 conference games left for all of these teams, but these are just a few observations with two weeks left to go.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the tie-breaking procedures are?  I'm having trouble finding them all in writing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 10, 2014, 02:15:31 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on February 10, 2014, 08:54:08 AM
Also, according to the box score, no Malique Killing on Saturday for the Mules against the Bullets? Anyone have a story there?
Killing had 2 technical fouls against him on Wed., suspending him from their next game.

Quote from: DipsWin13 on February 10, 2014, 11:25:48 AM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the tie-breaking procedures are?  I'm having trouble finding them all in writing.
http://centennial.org/Manual/2013-14/BasketballM.pdf
top of page 2.
basically
H2H
results v. teams from top-down
coin flip

unless it's for the 5 seed, then 
H2H
results v. teams from top-down
tie-breaker game
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 10, 2014, 06:05:06 PM

Here are my picks for upcoming games this week involving Centennial Conference teams.

Monday, February10:

Haverford @ Moravian:   Greyhounds should win at home against the Fords.

Wednesday, February 12:

F&M @ Ursinus:   Diplomats win.

Johns Hopkins @ Gettysburg:   Hopkins should win and eliminate G-burg from Conference playoffs.

Swarthmore @ Muhlenberg:   Mules should take care of the Garnet at the "Barn".

McDaniel @ Dickinson:   This is the toughest game of the five to call. As long as Wixted plays significant minutes and contributes, the Devils should win. Without Wixted, all bets are off. In the end, I'll take the Devils in a very close game at home.

Haverford @ Washington:   Another toss-up game in my mind. I'll take the Shoremen to win after a brutual loss to the Diplomats this weekend.

Stay warm and enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 12, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
Another big night of CC hoops on tap for tonight (weather permitting, of course). Here are my picks for tonight:

F&M @ Ursinus: The Bears have been playing a lot better lately. I still think F&M wins this game. But the Bears could give the Diplomats trouble if they aren't careful. F&M HAS to stay out of foul trouble, as they don't have the bodies to win a close game if the starters are in foul trouble for extended periods of time.

Johns Hopkins @ Gettysburg: Well, if the Bullets are going to have a sniff at staying in playoff contention, they HAVE to win this game. Staying at home to play a team which is battling for a first round bye and, perhaps, home court in the playoffs if things shake up right. A HUGE game for both teams. Hopkins can easily lose this game if they aren't careful, especially considering the Bullets already went to Baltimore earlier this year and pulled out a win.. Hammer and Bugarinovic need to play great games to help the Jays pull this one out. I think the Bullets find a way to win at home, but wouldn't at all be surprised to see a Hopkins win. Hopkins should be the better team, but taking all factors into account, anything can happen.

Swarthmore @ Muhlenberg: I'll take the Mules at home to win this game and negate any possible win for the Bullets hurting them in the playoff chase. Killing will be ready to dominate after missing the last game.

Haverford @ Washington: Both teams eliminated from playoff contention but still have something to prove. Last time they met, the Shoremen put up a 29 (29!) point win at Haverford, somewhere they haven't won at since 2003. Brett Cohen, one of the CC's best big men, was also held without a point in that game. Should be a good game, I'll take the Shoremen at home.

McDaniel @ Dickinson: Obviously, the CC game of the night. A tough stretch of games coming up for the Red Devils, to say the least. Four games left, all against the other 4 teams currently in the CC playoffs if the season ended today. If you wanna be the best, you got to beat the best, right?? A McDaniel win tonight, combined with wins by the other current playoff teams, would incredibly shake up the race for home court in the CC Tournament. A win by Dickinson creates a 2 game separation with 3 games left and could seal the deal for hosting rights. I agree with diplomaniac1, Wixted has to play big minutes tonight and be the potential CC Player Of The Year he is. McDaniel lost at home the first matchup, but they have been 13-2 since, and I think they learned a lot from that defeat. I give McDaniel every chance in the world to win, but in the end.....man I don't know for certain. Can I flip a coin? I'll take the Red Devils at home to pull out the W.

Should be a GREAT night of games. Can't wait to take it all in!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
Oh, no, another player down for F&M.  One of the starters--major blow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 12, 2014, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
Oh, no, another player down for F&M.  One of the starters--major blow.

Oh goodness. Exactly what they DON'T need!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 12, 2014, 05:08:55 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
Oh, no, another player down for F&M.  One of the starters--major blow.

Oh man.... who is out? I hate this! Hope he is better quickly!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 12, 2014, 08:18:42 PM
F&M and JH already beaten tonight. A night of upsets!

What in the world happened with F&M tonight? Blow a 21 point halftime lead and get outscored 45-21 in the second half by a 1-13 team. I would love to hear what happened.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 13, 2014, 10:13:36 AM
F&M is losing a war of attrition.  Moune was injured in Saturday's game and was not available to play.  He's getting an MRI tomorrow.
Figueroa took Moune's place which gives up a major difference in height.  F&M cruised to an easy lead with tight defense and sharp shooting in the first 11 minutes.  Figueroa put up 11 early points.  Urinsus went to a full course press and got F&M out of sync as they had difficulty handing the press.  Numerous turnovers followed, but F&M was able to maintain a 19 lead at the half.  Coming into the second half, F&M increased the lead to 21, but it was all downhill from there.  With Lee, Wright, and Porter on the bench with 3 fouls each, F&M's lack of bench played a major role in the game's ending.  F&M was listed with 20+ turnovers, but there seemed to be more.  Phelps struggled and Faison is just coming back from an injury.  The starters all paid a lot of minutes and seemed to tire.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on February 13, 2014, 10:50:56 AM
F&M in my mind is in MAJOR trouble if Moune can't return... last night wasn't even against the Bigs that they will face in the playoffs (wixted, collins, hargrove, hunter, bovino, pupelis, and the 17 bigs at JHU). If he doesn't return they are going to be the 5th seed and be one and done. Sad to see it happen when he is having a terrific season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 13, 2014, 11:34:03 AM
Doesn't look good for the rest of the season.  Hargrove will have a field day, if Moune can't play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 13, 2014, 11:45:32 AM
Great game in Collegeville last night.........if you are a Bears fan.  First win over Dips since 2009.  Seniors Krasna, Vasturia and Adams led the way in a helter shelter second half.......just the way Usinus likes it.  Thankfully, Missed the first half due to heavy traffic as the game started out 24 to1 F&M with the Dips leading 35-16 at half.  Strange------GRob left 3 timeouts on the table while his team unraveled in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 13, 2014, 06:25:33 PM
Saw Ursinus play in Carlisle, and they played like a team tired of losing.  They moved the ball well, hit a ton of shots and were aggressive, rather than resigned to a less than stellar season.  It doesn't surprise me one bit that they won over F & M with or without Moune.  This was a group ready to take one away from any team that looked past them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 15, 2014, 08:32:47 AM
My picks for today:

Dickinson @ Johns Hopkins: all of a sudden a comfortable advantage for the Red Devils in the homecourt chase. I don't think this road trip bothers them today. Dickinson on the road for the win.

Haverford @ Gettysburg: big win for the bullets the other night. They get another one today.

Washington @ Ursinus: what a win for ursinus the other night huh? Down 24-1 and still find a way. Expect another win from the bears today.

Swarthmore @ McDaniel: a big loss for McDaniel the other night. They rebound today against the Garnet.

Muhlenberg @ Franklin and Marshall: tough game here. I assume Moune is still out which is HUGE. The mules are the favorite without him but the homecourt for F&M is always an advantage. That being said, Mules get the win on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 15, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Saw the box score today. Why is Killing not playing? Is this left over from getting two t's the other night? Single digits in last two games with under 20 minutes played.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2014, 06:47:37 PM
F&M played a solid game after their poor performance on Wednesday.  F&M had decent offense and solid defense.  Porter's playing time was limited by foul trouble, but Phelps and Figueroa picked up the slack.  Salandra played an excellent all round game.  Moune was back with a taped wrist which seemed to hamper his play little. Levy provided some quality minutes in backing up the bigs.  Wright played tremendous defense and shut down who ever he was covering.  Lee played tight defense causing his opponent to take poor shots.  Killing played little, but still played selfish in his limited time.  Definitely not the player of the year--most selfish yes.
Kudos to Muhlenberg's coach for his class.  On senior day at F&M he sent his seniors out to congratulate the F&M's seniors, and during a clothing issue at the start of the second half, he told the referees not to make a deal out of it.  Coach showed a lot of class.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on February 15, 2014, 11:35:05 PM
Hard to say a kid that finished 7th last season and is currently 6th in assists in the conference (one less game played) is selfish.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2014, 01:50:22 PM
I heard one of Killing's teammates say to him during the game --"pass the ball" and then rolled his eyes.
How many more assists could he have?  I'm not saying he's a bad player, but you can tell when he's going to take the ball down the court and not even look to pass.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 17, 2014, 10:06:21 AM
muhlenberg's situation is tricky. not sure they can win without killing's scoring, so then he has to be a bit selfish to make it happen. to me, hargrove is overrated and muhlenberg has become somewhat of a one man team, which is why they are vulnerable. i wonder what the team chemistry is like and what other guys feel as we head into the playoffs. he is arguably the most talented player in the conference (nobody can guard him).
on another note, i still feel dickinson is vulnerable when an athletic guard plays focused D on honig (like porter did). their offense shuts down with no other guard to step in and lead. despite a very up and down season for F&M and being shorthanded,i feel like they are the best candidate to beat dickinson in the playoffs, particularly if their guys up front are finishing and playing strong around the rim.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 17, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
Centfan,

I think if you ask almost any player, coach or fan in the CC, most will say Killing is arguably the most talented player in the league-----but also the most selfish.  I don't care what his assist stats are---just watch him.  Perhaps he is not starting right now because his coach realizes they are better off without him.  Chemistry---or lack thereof has been an issue since Liddic graduated.  Top to bottom, Muhlenberg has the most talented roster----they don't know how to play as a team because of Killing.  Curry, Stavetski, Scheer, Hunter among others are very talented players.  Hargrove is big and a presence even though he has not lived up to our expectations this year.

Can they adjust and play well as a team?  Will they reinstall Killing as their focal point?  Only time will tell.  One thing I am quite sure of, he has no chance of being selected as POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 18, 2014, 03:18:42 AM

The following are my predictions for Wednesday evening's (February 19) Centennial Conference games:

Dickinson @ Muhlenberg:   On the surface, this should be a Dickinson victory. However, since the Mules really need this game, I think that they just might eke out a win at their "Barn". So, I will go out on a limb and say that the Mules win a close contest at home.

McDaniel @ Johns Hopkins:  Another tougher game to pick! Again, the home team needs the win more than the road team. The Jays are always stronger at home. With very little conviction, I will pick Hopkins to win a close game at home.

Washington @ Swarthmore:   A coin flip in my opinion. I will give the nod to the Shoremen and say they win this one on the road!

Gettysburg @ F&M:   The Diplomats will be out to avenge a loss to Gettysburg earlier in the year. So, F&M wins at Mayser to enter the playoffs on a strong note.

Ursinus@ Haverford:   Although the Bears have been playing better lately, I think the Fords will win at home on the main line.

Enjoy the games! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 18, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
Gabriel,
I can't argue with anyone who perceives Killing as selfish...I see him that way also , but maybe not to the extreme that others might.His shooting percentages are good, free throws very good, plays hard. He is not a point guard on this team and doesn't seem to trust anyone else with the ball.My guess is he was more of a point guard in high school, where he played with better players at Friends Central. Him and Hargrove should be working together on every possession but that isn't how it goes.I also hold the coach responsible for what he accepts on his team. As far as Muhlenberg being the most talented, i am not sure I agree with that. The top 4 or 5 teams seem pretty even in terms of talent (a couple of guys on each team and then alot of standard CC role players.) Curry has shrunk and not lived up to his potential (like Hargrove), Staveski can shoot it and I don't know the other guys very well but they don't seem like a better group than Dickinson, F&M, Hopkins, McDaniel this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 18, 2014, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 18, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
Curry has shrunk and not lived up to his potential (like Hargrove), Staveski can shoot it and I don't know the other guys very well but they don't seem like a better group than Dickinson, F&M, Hopkins, McDaniel this year.

Centfan,

And why do you suppose this has happened?  Why have Curry, Hargrove and the others not lived up to their potential.  One reason-----Killing.  None of them is strong enough to overcome his personality and selfishness.  I think that without Killing, Curry would be the floor leader and he is an selfless player.  I know I would not want Killing on my team----ever.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 19, 2014, 04:34:45 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 18, 2014, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 18, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
Curry has shrunk and not lived up to his potential (like Hargrove), Staveski can shoot it and I don't know the other guys very well but they don't seem like a better group than Dickinson, F&M, Hopkins, McDaniel this year.

Centfan,

And why do you suppose this has happened?  Why have Curry, Hargrove and the others not lived up to their potential.  One reason-----Killing.  None of them is strong enough to overcome his personality and selfishness.  I think that without Killing, Curry would be the floor leader and he is an selfless player.  I know I would not want Killing on my team----ever.

I would  agree that one reason players on muhlenberg have not lived up to their potential is Killing and his dominance with the ball. the other reason is  the coach, who is equally or more responsible for the situation. many players play with a "me first" attitude, particularly when they are young, in high school and AAU. when they run into a strong coach (usually in college) who is clear about what he will and won't allow, their game radically changes (often for their own betterment and the betterment of the team.) i think that there are not alot of players in the conference now who can make plays...like it or not, killing can, so coach has relied on him and allowed  him to do pretty much whatever he wants.  i would love to have a player with killing's ability on my team but i would sit him if he didn't share the ball more and get other guys involved...and not past the middle of his junior year but right from the beginning. do you think this would go on with seretti? highly doubtful. dickinson is no more gifted than muhlenberg, and they win almost all the time. to me the difference is coaching and what they teach and demand of their players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 07:49:44 AM
Centfan,

Agree with what you say.  Basketball is a team game. Looking into the recent past, players such as Shattuck and Milligan had the ability and could easily have averaged at least 10 points more per game had they been selfish players.  Thankfully they were not----they wanted to win------ as a team.   Also, they had coaches who would not and will not  permit selfish play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 19, 2014, 08:41:09 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 07:49:44 AM
Centfan,

Agree with what you say.  Basketball is a team game. Looking into the recent past, players such as Shattuck and Milligan had the ability and could easily have averaged at least 10 points more per game had they been selfish players.  Thankfully they were not----they wanted to win------ as a team.   Also, they had coaches who would not and will not  permit selfish play.

i agree completely gabriel. it all starts at the top with coaches setting the tone and priorities for team play and sharing the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on February 19, 2014, 08:50:26 AM
For all you Ursinus and Dickinson fans coach McClary and killing combine to be 9-2 vs you guys. Trash all them all you want but at the end of the day it's just fear. Killing is the player of the year BC there isn't a player that other coaches prepare for more. Give both the respect that is due and wait until Muhlenberg doesn't succeed this year to trash a 21 year old kid.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on February 19, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
Can we stop talking about how great ursinus is...They went to the final four in 2008...6 seasons ago and since then they have only been to the playoffs ONCE and that was a playoff game lost at home to the Mules.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 19, 2014, 09:45:08 AM
Very interesting discussion on the board regarding Malique Killing! That's all I'll say about it.

And with that, here are my picks for tonight's games:

Dickinson @ Muhlenberg: Speaking of Killing! Both teams have a lot to play for in this game. The Mules obviously have playoff seeding on the line and a potential first round home game/first round bye hanging in the balance. The Red Devils, even though they already have clinched tournament hosting rights, still have a slight, SLIGHT, chance, I think, of making NCAA's as an at large team if they win out and lose in the CC Title game (they would be 22-5 if that happens). The Mules sent a lot of shockwaves earlier this year when they beat the Red Devils, but they also have a couple of head scratching CC losses (against Washington and Haverford). The Mule Barn will no doubt be jacked up for this game and I think that gives them a HUGE advantage. That being said, Dickinson is hosting for a reason: they have been the most consistent team all year long. I'm going with my gut over my head here and say that the Red Devils steal this win, but I won't be surprised if the Mules get the sweep.

McDaniel @ Johns Hopkins: Another great matchup on hand tonight! Hopkins put up a great effort the other day against the Red Devils and just about got the W. McDaniel all but has a first round bye locked up at this point (2 games up on Muhlenberg and JHU for 4th) and as we know it doesn't matter who the 2/3 is for that game. I think you'll see the Green Terror play a lot looser in this game, as Hopkins has a TON of pressure to win this game at home. Not only is Hopkins trying to keep pace, but they have Gettysburg only one game behind, and the Bullets hold the tiebreaker with the season sweep. In the end, I think McDaniel steals this one on the road.

Gettysburg @ Franklin and Marshall: Talk about a night of great matchups! Gettysburg held F&M to 38, 38!, points in the first meeting of the year. I don't think the Bullets can do that twice in a row. The key to this game is the health of Moune (any update on him, Reserved Seat?). If he can play and be effective, that gives F&M the advantage. If he can't, then the Bullets have every chance in the world to steal a huge W. But in the end, I think you'll see the Diplomats be the better defensive team this time around. F&M wins at home.

Ursinus @ Haverford: The Bears have been playing so much better lately. 2 wins in a row (they came back from 24-1 down to beat F&M. 24-1!) and they gave Dickinson a scare. Haverford has been playing the top teams fairly close over the last 2 weeks also. This is a coin flip, but I'll take the Bears.

Washington @ Swarthmore: The Garnet did EVERYTHING right in the first matchup earlier this year, except get the W. They jumped out to a 16-2 lead and led by 9 at the half, but the Shoremen took their first and only lead in the last minute and won by 5. That was the last win for the Shoremen. If Swat can jump out to that kind of lead tonight at home, I say they win. But, I say the Shoremen win this one thanks to the 3 point shooting of Pat Morgan. Looking at his numbers, it looks like he's been slumping lately, but tonight he breaks out and leads the Shoremen to the W.

So, based on my projections, after tonight the standings look like this:

Dickinson 15-2
McDaniel 13-4
F&M 12-5
Muhlenberg 10-7
Hopkins 10-7
Gettysburg 9-8

If my picks hold up (a big IF, I know) looking ahead to Saturday, the Mules host Ursinus, while Gettysburg and Hopkins both have to travel. Advantage Mules.

Curious to see everybody else's thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: CCHOOPS12 on February 19, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
Can we stop talking about how great ursinus is...They went to the final four in 2008...6 seasons ago and since then they have only been to the playoffs ONCE and that was a playoff game lost at home to the Mules.

CCHOOPS,

I don't think anyone is talking about "how great ursinus is" this year.  They are not great, not even good and we all know that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
On Saturday in the WC/Ursinus game there was a call the "was or wasn't", depends on how you look at it.  I have never seen anything like this in my 65 years of involvement with basketball.

I'll set the scene.   Late in the game, Ursinus is leading. Krasna picks off an errant WC pass and goes in for a break away layup.  But wait----he is fouled hard and misses the layup.  No problem, a foul is called, he gets two free throws.  Krasna goes to the line but misses the first shot.  WC rebounds passes the ball down the court and scores on a layup.   Officials are reminded that it is a two shot foul----discuss it----allow the WC layup and give Krasna his second shot.  They gave WC two points for their (the officials) mistake.  The call could have had a significant impact on the game.  Turns out is did not

Question----What is the correct call? How should this have been handled?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
Gabriel, sounds like an incorrect call.  The clock was stopped for foul shooting.  Did Ursinus try to defend the play?  What was the coach's reaction?


CCD3Basketball, sounds like Moune is playing tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 19, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
On Saturday in the WC/Ursinus game there was a call the "was or wasn't", depends on how you look at it.  I have never seen anything like this in my 65 years of involvement with basketball.

I'll set the scene.   Late in the game, Ursinus is leading. Krasna picks off an errant WC pass and goes in for a break away layup.  But wait----he is fouled hard and misses the layup.  No problem, a foul is called, he gets two free throws.  Krasna goes to the line but misses the first shot.  WC rebounds passes the ball down the court and scores on a layup.   Officials are reminded that it is a two shot foul----discuss it----allow the WC layup and give Krasna his second shot.  They gave WC two points for their (the officials) mistake.  The call could have had a significant impact on the game.  Turns out is did not

Question----What is the correct call? How should this have been handled?

Dead ball. Officials should have blown the whistle and or someone at the table should have had the horn blow (either score keeper, clock or shot clock operator). No way the basket should have counted. Whether Ursinus defended the play or not, whether time came off the clock or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 19, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
It is a correctable error and should have been immediately corrected. My questions is why did the score keeper or time keeper or someone let the officials know right away? That is a huge error by the officials! It technically happened all during a dead ball. No basket, no time off the clock. Back at the free throw line for second free throw.

The discussion has been interesting about Killing. I didn't get involved with it but read every comment and thought hard about it. Great coaches get great players to buy into a system. However, coaches also have egos that sometimes get in the way of successful players. I will use an example that doesn't get anyone on the defensive. The Manchester United coach was great, but his ego many times got in the way of great players. He often took guys out after two goals so the player wouldn't get a third. That is bad coaching.

No one has explained what Killing did to get the two technicals. What we do know is he has not been nearly as effective as he was before that game. Is it him? Is it the coach? Or, is it a combination of the two? I am betting the last. The kid is a talent and I would have spent the last few years getting him to buy into the system. Just my two cents.

Here is to the final two games and hoping your teams do well. I honestly thought Swat would be much better this year. They are clearly not. They need to find some scorers for next year because without Kober they really struggle to score. Cheers!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
On Saturday in the WC/Ursinus game there was a call the "was or wasn't", depends on how you look at it.  I have never seen anything like this in my 65 years of involvement with basketball.

I'll set the scene.   Late in the game, Ursinus is leading. Krasna picks off an errant WC pass and goes in for a break away layup.  But wait----he is fouled hard and misses the layup.  No problem, a foul is called, he gets two free throws.  Krasna goes to the line but misses the first shot.  WC rebounds passes the ball down the court and scores on a layup.   Officials are reminded that it is a two shot foul----discuss it----allow the WC layup and give Krasna his second shot.  They gave WC two points for their (the officials) mistake.  The call could have had a significant impact on the game.  Turns out is did not

Question----What is the correct call? How should this have been handled?

An Ursinus parent who happens to be an active D1 official had this to say about the situation.
First of all, the officials should have blown the whistle to stop play---an inexcusable error when we have three officials.  Given that they did not, they could not take points off the board.  The next step should have been to give Krasna his second shot with no one else in the lane, like a technical, and then to have given Ursinus the ball out of bounds recognizing that the WC basket was allowed.  Sounds better but I would have taken the points off the board.

Reserved---the deep guard did try to stop the basket but reacted too late and the others were still at the other end--as I recall.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 19, 2014, 11:44:09 PM
And this is exactly why earlier today I said, IF my picks hold up! Another night of hoops in the bag and the 5 playoff teams are officially locked in. The only remaining question now comes to seeding.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 20, 2014, 05:54:34 AM
This is the play-off schedule according to the Centennial site:
Wed., Feb, 26
TBAMen's Basketball
TBD
@ Franklin & Marshall
Centennial Conference First Round
TBAMen's Basketball
TBA
@ McDaniel
Centennial Conference Tournament First Round
Fri., Feb, 28
TBAMen's Basketball
TBD
@ Franklin & Marshall
Centennial Conference Semifinals
Sat., Mar, 01
TBAMen's Basketball
TBD
@ Franklin & Marshall
Centennial Conference Championship

Why are the games listed to played at F&M?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 20, 2014, 07:35:45 AM
Reserved,

Saw the same thing last night and was puzzled.  Must be a mistake.  Hope the Commish comes on line to explain.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 20, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
On Saturday in the WC/Ursinus game there was a call the "was or wasn't", depends on how you look at it.  I have never seen anything like this in my 65 years of involvement with basketball.

I'll set the scene.   Late in the game, Ursinus is leading. Krasna picks off an errant WC pass and goes in for a break away layup.  But wait----he is fouled hard and misses the layup.  No problem, a foul is called, he gets two free throws.  Krasna goes to the line but misses the first shot.  WC rebounds passes the ball down the court and scores on a layup.   Officials are reminded that it is a two shot foul----discuss it----allow the WC layup and give Krasna his second shot.  They gave WC two points for their (the officials) mistake.  The call could have had a significant impact on the game.  Turns out is did not

Question----What is the correct call? How should this have been handled?

An Ursinus parent who happens to be an active D1 official had this to say about the situation.
First of all, the officials should have blown the whistle to stop play---an inexcusable error when we have three officials.  Given that they did not, they could not take points off the board.  The next step should have been to give Krasna his second shot with no one else in the lane, like a technical, and then to have given Ursinus the ball out of bounds recognizing that the WC basket was allowed.  Sounds better but I would have taken the points off the board.

Reserved---the deep guard did try to stop the basket but reacted too late and the others were still at the other end--as I recall.

This is not true. The process would be as follows: Option 1- 3 officials have chance to stop inadvertent play on dead ball Option 2- Clock Operator blows horn for an officials/official score keeper timeout 3- Visiting book is referenced where it is acknowledged as a two shot foul and only one has been shot. You CAN take points off the board. It's a dead ball, nothing can take precedents over the original call even a good FG. Game management (live stats) assists with time of the foul, clock is reset, players line up and second shot is taken. You would not clear the line in this specific instance. That can only happen on end of half, game or OT FT attempt, an intentional or technical foul.....

Have you ever seen a 2 shot foul (maybe in the double bonus not a shooting foul on this example) where an offensive player rebounds the first miss and scored it..... Ref blows play dead, most people catch a chuckle and points  never go up. Even if the clock operator gave 2 for the offensive team it would come off. Points can come off.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 20, 2014, 09:41:21 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 20, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 19, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
On Saturday in the WC/Ursinus game there was a call the "was or wasn't", depends on how you look at it.  I have never seen anything like this in my 65 years of involvement with basketball.

I'll set the scene.   Late in the game, Ursinus is leading. Krasna picks off an errant WC pass and goes in for a break away layup.  But wait----he is fouled hard and misses the layup.  No problem, a foul is called, he gets two free throws.  Krasna goes to the line but misses the first shot.  WC rebounds passes the ball down the court and scores on a layup.   Officials are reminded that it is a two shot foul----discuss it----allow the WC layup and give Krasna his second shot.  They gave WC two points for their (the officials) mistake.  The call could have had a significant impact on the game.  Turns out is did not

Question----What is the correct call? How should this have been handled?

An Ursinus parent who happens to be an active D1 official had this to say about the situation.
First of all, the officials should have blown the whistle to stop play---an inexcusable error when we have three officials.  Given that they did not, they could not take points off the board.  The next step should have been to give Krasna his second shot with no one else in the lane, like a technical, and then to have given Ursinus the ball out of bounds recognizing that the WC basket was allowed.  Sounds better but I would have taken the points off the board.

Reserved---the deep guard did try to stop the basket but reacted too late and the others were still at the other end--as I recall.

This is not true. The process would be as follows: Option 1- 3 officials have chance to stop inadvertent play on dead ball Option 2- Clock Operator blows horn for an officials/official score keeper timeout 3- Visiting book is referenced where it is acknowledged as a two shot foul and only one has been shot. You CAN take points off the board. It's a dead ball, nothing can take precedents over the original call even a good FG. Game management (live stats) assists with time of the foul, clock is reset, players line up and second shot is taken. You would not clear the line in this specific instance. That can only happen on end of half, game or OT FT attempt, an intentional or technical foul.....

Have you ever seen a 2 shot foul (maybe in the double bonus not a shooting foul on this example) where an offensive player rebounds the first miss and scored it..... Ref blows play dead, most people catch a chuckle and points  never go up. Even if the clock operator gave 2 for the offensive team it would come off. Points can come off.

This!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
I don't believe the table can stop the game with a horn. However, I do plan to check in with a few refs I know... though, I have seen a play stand and a correctable error give a team the chance to shoot the free throw(s) and then the game is picked up where it left off.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 20, 2014, 12:30:06 PM
Straight from the home office in Lancaster ...

And here we are ... the teams for the men's basketball tournament have been decided ... now it's time to sift through the possibilities for seeding. 

We know that the Dickinson men will host the semifinals and championship game next weekend. After that ...

3:00 Game
MBB: Gettysburg (9-8) at McDaniel (12-5)

The Green Terror can secure a first-round bye with a victory and, combined with a F&M loss, would be the #2 seed.

4:00 Games
MBB: Franklin & Marshall (12-5) at Dickinson (15-2)
MBB: Johns Hopkins (11-6) at Washington College (4-13)
MBB: Ursinus (4-13) at Muhlenberg (10-7)

The Diplomats can secure a first-round bye and the #2 seed with a victory. A loss opens the door for the Blue Jays to grab the #2 seed and a first-round bye with a victory and a McDaniel loss. A Green Terror win in this situation would give McDaniel the #2 seed and Hopkins could get a first-round bye and the #3 seed with a victory.

A Hopkins loss gives Muhlenberg the opportunity to slip into the #4 spot. A Mule victory would give 'Berg the tie-breaker advantage over the Blue Jays, due to a win over Dickinson.

Hopkins can finish anywhere from #2-5, while F&M and McDaniel can place anywhere between #2-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 20, 2014, 01:34:17 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 20, 2014, 05:54:34 AM
This is the play-off schedule according to the Centennial site:
Wed., Feb, 26
TBAMen's Basketball
TBD
@ Franklin & Marshall
Centennial Conference First Round
TBAMen's Basketball
TBA
@ McDaniel
Centennial Conference Tournament First Round
Fri., Feb, 28
TBAMen's Basketball
TBD
@ Franklin & Marshall
Centennial Conference Semifinals
Sat., Mar, 01
TBAMen's Basketball
TBD
@ Franklin & Marshall
Centennial Conference Championship

Why are the games listed to played at F&M?
The CC is run out of F & M-- the simple explanation. The reality is whoever manages the website believes in cheering for the home team. Another example; we all know the result of last year's conference championship-- the F & M loss to Dickinson.  For six months afterward if you clicked on the link for that championship game on the Centennial website, you'd get the recap and stats for an unrelated f & M Swarthmore game.  It was corrected well after the start of the 13-14 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 20, 2014, 04:54:06 PM
But that Swat win over F&M was a much bigger story!   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2014, 07:56:37 PM
The Centennial Conference and F&M website are run off the same platform (and the same one we use). This just means that F&M has those games on its schedule, nothing else. Just like McDaniel has games on its schedule.

Same schedule appears on our site:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Franklin_and_Marshall/men/2013-14/index

Same schedule appears on the F&M site:
http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2013-14/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 20, 2014, 10:50:33 PM
For a much lighter story, I think you should all know how great this league is. For three years, the best defender against my son was Porter from F&M. The kid is a stud and a great athlete. The best player he ever played against was Georgio. Last night, he went to the F&M game, sat with Georgio, went out after with both those guys, and spent the night at Porter's place and had a ball. He is working in the area and thought it would be great to see Porter.  This is what this league is all about. Total class and making friends for life against your opponents. The Centennial Conference is the best in my book! Great athletes, great students, great citizens, and contributors to society! Thought this was pretty cool!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2014, 06:11:44 AM
I thought that was your son.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 21, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 20, 2014, 10:50:33 PM
For a much lighter story, I think you should all know how great this league is. For three years, the best defender against my son was Porter from F&M. The kid is a stud and a great athlete. The best player he ever played against was Georgio. Last night, he went to the F&M game, sat with Georgio, went out after with both those guys, and spent the night at Porter's place and had a ball. He is working in the area and thought it would be great to see Porter.  This is what this league is all about. Total class and making friends for life against your opponents. The Centennial Conference is the best in my book! Great athletes, great students, great citizens, and contributors to society! Thought this was pretty cool!

Great story, and I continue to be impressed by the character and dedication of the players in the CC.  These guys give up time with family and friends for their love of sport through four key years of their young adult lives. We know that many of these players chose quality of education over chances with D1 or
D2 basketball programs and are not getting an education in return for play.  The experience is what they've chosen to add to their education at a cost.   Others won't see much court time, but are the glue on the team; doing it for the love of the game.  The guys provide wintertime entertainment and talking points for us, but they're at school when everyone else is at home, they're eating post game pizza' til they can't stand it, and studying on bus rides. For the guys who stick it out, it goes to developing character that many of us would like to emulate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 21, 2014, 11:37:59 AM
Quote from: givengo on February 21, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 20, 2014, 10:50:33 PM
For a much lighter story, I think you should all know how great this league is. For three years, the best defender against my son was Porter from F&M. The kid is a stud and a great athlete. The best player he ever played against was Georgio. Last night, he went to the F&M game, sat with Georgio, went out after with both those guys, and spent the night at Porter's place and had a ball. He is working in the area and thought it would be great to see Porter.  This is what this league is all about. Total class and making friends for life against your opponents. The Centennial Conference is the best in my book! Great athletes, great students, great citizens, and contributors to society! Thought this was pretty cool!

Great story, and I continue to be impressed by the character and dedication of the players in the CC.  These guys give up time with family and friends for their love of sport through four key years of their young adult lives. We know that many of these players chose quality of education over chances with D1 or
D2 basketball programs and are not getting an education in return for play.  The experience is what they've chosen to add to their education at a cost.   Others won't see much court time, but are the glue on the team; doing it for the love of the game.  The guys provide wintertime entertainment and talking points for us, but they're at school when everyone else is at home, they're eating post game pizza' til they can't stand it, and studying on bus rides. For the guys who stick it out, it goes to developing character that many of us would like to emulate.

I couldn't agree with you more! Very well said!

I feel like I need to retell a story about Porter that happened last year. After a game, my mother in law who is a retired teacher and in her 70's, went over to him and told him not to guard her grandson so hard next time and to be nicer to him. Now here was a young man after a game on an away court being "yelled" at by a grandmother. Instead of taking it as an insult, he cracked up. She sat down next to him and they talked and laughed for the next 20-25 minutes. When he got up to leave, he gave her a huge hug and she kissed his cheek. That in a nutshell is why DIII hoops is so good. Great player but much much better person!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 21, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
As the season is coming to a close just wanted to give my thoughts on playoffs and POY.  I think there is way too much weight placed on PPG when it comes to POY and even when selecting the all-conference teams.  When you have players that have the total green light to shoot anytime they want, they better be averaging a decent amount of points, but I think it is much more impressive when a player is doing it on a successful team, an example being Doug McDermott at the D1 level.  If Creighton has an awful record, then it doesnt mean that much, but the fact they are a top 15 team in the country makes it much more impressive.  As much heat as it looks like Killing is taking on here, the fact of the matter is that they are still a playoff team w/ him being the leading scorer in the conference, which definitely warrants him being 1st team all league.  The ones that rub me the wrong way, and i know Swat Fan will not like this, but do not want it taken the wrong way, is that it is certainly not as impressive when Gates would lead the league in scoring with a total green light on a bad team - Still a good player, but i would hope you would put up the points stats, but it doesnt do much for me if the team is bottom of league.  WIth all that being said, i still give POY to Honig from Dickinson.  PG on the best team in the country and i think that team goes as he goes.  Team player who will be the one to take the shot when it is needed and has led team to hosting this year.  I dont see another team going into Dickinson and beating them in the playoffs with how their student section will be for those playoff games, and if someone does, it will be a well earned conference title.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2014, 12:34:52 PM
QuotePG on the best team in the country

???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 21, 2014, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2014, 12:34:52 PM
QuotePG on the best team in the country

???

Sorry, clearly a typo, as i meant to say PG on the best team in the conference.

Swat Fan, i appreciate those comments.  I played in the CC and was a starter on a championship team, so, unlike you, know what it is actually like to compete in this conference.  Ive "laced my sneakers up" in the past, my credentials speak for themselves, and also unlike you, choose to not let others know who I am, which you chose to do by letting everyone know whose father you were.  The fact is, your son jacked up shots and had the total green light, not to mention got freebies at the FT line in the final 5-7 min when games were already decided in the opposite favor of Swat.  Again, as i said before, he is a good player in a tough league, but definitely not a first team all league player in any of the years he was there b/c it is just not that impressive on a team that wins a cpl games in conference
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 21, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
This is exactly why I stepped away from these forums. I tried and posted only positive things on here especially regarding other players and teams. I thought I would give it one more chance and this proves I was right in walking away. Good luck to all teams out there. This is my last post on here as I refuse to get in pissing matches on forums after having only positive things to say.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 21, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
This is exactly why I stepped away from these forums. I tried and posted only positive things on here especially regarding other players and teams. I thought I would give it one more chance and this proves I was right in walking away. Good luck to all teams out there. This is my last post on here as I refuse to get in pissing matches on forums after having only positive things to say.

I wouldn't let some newbie with 17 posts tell you what to do, fwiw.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 21, 2014, 03:04:40 PM
I actually went back through a lot of posts by Swat Fan and find it funny that the times Gates was called out, Swat Fan's response was to personally take jabs at whoever posted the comment and come at them for their knowledge of basketball, or lack thereof.  We get it, you were a HS/AAU coach who didnt play in college, but you have to be open to criticism when you decide to post on these forums, and even more so when you make the choice to disclose who you are.  I used Gates and Killing as examples of the point I was trying to make b/c both part of the conference. I could have also used Ursinus this year and the fact that Adams had a green light and took a lot of shots, was a top scorer in the league, but how impressive is it?  Like I said earlier with McDermott at the D1 level. It is more impressive when the team is successful & winning like Creighton is rather than being Antoine Mason at Niagara (2nd leading scorer in D1) and have a record of 3-14 in conference, 6-22 overall, taking about 20 shots/game.  NBA another example, Durant leading scorer in league on team with best record right now and Carmelo 2nd on NY team with bad record and not very good...when youre on a bad team and just worried about getting your own shots up it just isnt that impressive. At least with Killing, his team is going to the playoffs and its a team that will certainly be a scare to Dickinson if they can get past their play-in game
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 21, 2014, 03:21:00 PM
Swat Dad/Swat Fan #1 has tried so hard to be positive in his comments and to compliment other teams, players and coaches.  As a former coach, he is knowledgeable regarding the x's and o's as well as perceptive regarding such things as team chemistry---always important in a team game.  I have enjoyed his participation in this forum for the past five years and, while I cannot speak for others, I sense that the "old timers" have enjoyed his comments too.  Hang in there Swat Fan #1. we need you.  Just ignore the negative stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 21, 2014, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on February 21, 2014, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2014, 12:34:52 PM
QuotePG on the best team in the country

???

Sorry, clearly a typo, as i meant to say PG on the best team in the conference.

Swat Fan, i appreciate those comments.  I played in the CC and was a starter on a championship team, so, unlike you, know what it is actually like to compete in this conference.  Ive "laced my sneakers up" in the past, my credentials speak for themselves, and also unlike you, choose to not let others know who I am, which you chose to do by letting everyone know whose father you were.  The fact is, your son jacked up shots and had the total green light, not to mention got freebies at the FT line in the final 5-7 min when games were already decided in the opposite favor of Swat.  Again, as i said before, he is a good player in a tough league, but definitely not a first team all league player in any of the years he was there b/c it is just not that impressive on a team that wins a cpl games in conference

Ouch, really?  Swat Dad/fan, you get my vote for taking the right path. Don't go.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 21, 2014, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on February 21, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
WIth all that being said, i still give POY to Honig from Dickinson.  PG on the best team in the country and i think that team goes as he goes.  Team player who will be the one to take the shot when it is needed and has led team to hosting this year.  I dont see another team going into Dickinson and beating them in the playoffs with how their student section will be for those playoff games, and if someone does, it will be a well earned conference title.
I can see how you might vote for honig, but to me it must be wixted. honig is a good point guard, smart, runs the team well, shoots well, but truthfully would be far less without wixted.  he looks better because there are hardly any strong point guards in the conference. wixted is a special player and has been since he entered the conference as a freshman. To me, if honig gets it t will be because he is a senior and wixted is a junior, but in terms of impact in the conference there is no comparison.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on February 21, 2014, 10:06:32 PM
First off Swat Dad don't go anywhere.. being apart of the league for 8 years your son was a hell of a player and represented what d3 basketball is all about.

Random Thoughts:

Very impressed in wixted the other night as he AND the red devils got over the hump of playing well and winning vs the mules in the barn. FYI Killing had 17 pts shooting 50 percent from the field with 9 assists and zero TOs vs the best team in the league...so selfish...

With the way the seedings are I think it is going to be really tough for the the red devils to win the CC championship....BC fnm and mules have underachieved all season they will have to play one of them in the semi finals and the other in the championship game. Mcdaniel having a great year also didn't help the red devils. The red devils had zero problems with them all year and probably would rather play them in the semifinals.


Any arguments that Curley is the coach of the year?

First Team All CC
Killing
Honig
Hammer
Moune
Wixted

I think thats pretty set in stone...thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 21, 2014, 10:32:12 PM
Curley as COY should be a slam dunk.  No coach has done more to deserve it.

My congratulations to Jesse Krasna for being player of the week.  This young man is class through and through-----and a very good player as well.  He missed the first third of the season due to a foot injury which has never healed.  He has literally played on one leg----and played very well.  His right foot is injured to the extent that he cannot lift off of it----real tough for a lefty.  Yet----he plays and he plays with heart and toughness.  I've known him for four years and must say I have never witnessed a young man more respected by his coaches, teammates, fellow students, and opponents.

He will probably not appear on any "all everything" lists this year, mainly due to his injury.  But----he is on my "All American" team this year because that is what he is ---- to me and those who know him well. Well done Kras!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 21, 2014, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 21, 2014, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on February 21, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
WIth all that being said, i still give POY to Honig from Dickinson.  PG on the best team in the country and i think that team goes as he goes.  Team player who will be the one to take the shot when it is needed and has led team to hosting this year.  I dont see another team going into Dickinson and beating them in the playoffs with how their student section will be for those playoff games, and if someone does, it will be a well earned conference title.
I can see how you might vote for honig, but to me it must be wixted. honig is a good point guard, smart, runs the team well, shoots well, but truthfully would be far less without wixted.  he looks better because there are hardly any strong point guards in the conference. wixted is a special player and has been since he entered the conference as a freshman. To me, if honig gets it t will be because he is a senior and wixted is a junior, but in terms of impact in the conference there is no comparison.

Couldn't agree more with this. Wixted POY

All American? Was All District/Region last year. Couldn't argue if his name is in the mix.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 22, 2014, 01:09:57 AM
Quote from: CCHOOPS12 on February 21, 2014, 10:06:32 PM



Any arguments that Curley is the coach of the year?

First Team All CC
Killing
Honig
Hammer
Moune
Wixted

I think thats pretty set in stone...thoughts?
first team:
Killing
Honig
Salandra
Cohen
Wixted

second team:
porter
hammer
stavetski
bugarinovic
hargrove

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 22, 2014, 06:32:33 AM

Here are my picks for today's games:

Haverford @ Swarthmore:   I'll take the Fords in a coin flip.

Gettysburg @ McDaniel:   McDaniel.

Ursinus @ Muhlenberg:   Mules win at the "Barn".

F&M @ Dickinson:   Should be a very good game. Since I bleed blue, I will take the Diplomats in an upset on the road. Wish I could get to the game today but other commitments intrude!

Johns Hopkins @ Washington:   Blue Jays should win.

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 22, 2014, 08:51:30 AM
I wouldnt have a problem w/ Wixted being POY. been some conference games where he hasnt put up the numbers but w/ it being vote on by the coaches he could certainly win it and i wouldnt have an issues.  McDaniel really surprised people this year with their performance and will win COY, well deserved if he does. I am not sure if anyone would have had them as a top 5 team in the conference at the beginning of the year, and they were in the regional rankings last i checked..pretty impressive.  Crazy to think this is the end of the season for a lot of teams.  As I know UC has had a tough season, I think Krasna was just 28 its away from 1000 for his career entering the final 2 games this week.  Looks like he hit for 17 on wednesday, so if that is right, he only needs 11 today to get that mark.  More impressive considering he has missed quite a bit of games throughout his career due to injury.  Hopefully they give him the green light to go and get it today but Muhl will be playing tough trying to host that play-in game on Wednesday
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 22, 2014, 11:28:29 AM
My picks for the last Saturday of the season:

Haverford @ Swarthmore: Haverford

Gettysburg @ McDaniel: Give me McDaniel

Ursinus @ Muhlenberg: The Mule Barn is the advantage. Mules win.

Johns Hopkins @ Washington: Rivalry game. Anything can happen. But I'll take Hopkins.

F&M @ Dickinson: A coin flip. But Wixted shows up huge and the Red Devils win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 22, 2014, 08:43:21 PM
Big win for F&M at Carlisle.  F&M took the crowd out of the game early and were able to maintain a reasonably comfortable lead most of the way.  Honig kept Dickinson in the game during the first half by hitting 2 big threes during approximately the last minute of the first half.  Porter seemed unstoppable as he came up big in his last regular season game.(26 points and 9 rebounds). Salandra, also, came up big with 21 points and 8 rebounds.  Moune contributed 14 rebounds as F&M was able to control the boards despite a height disadvantage(40 to 25)  Honig was the high scorer with 27 points--8 of them down the stretch when the game was essentially over. His last few possessions were basically the Honig show as you knew he was going to shot no matter what.  Honig seems to get a lot of help from the referees when he's playing defense.  Wixted was a non-factor as he didn't score his first points until about 33 minutes into the game.  Everyone for F&M played a decent game.  Phelps helped the cause by hitting 6 of 6 from the line down the stretch.
F&M plays Hopkins on Saturday, a team that they seem to have trouble matching up against.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 22, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
The schedule on the Centennial Conference home page is still screwed up---or screwed up again.  They seem to insist that F&M is going to host the championship game.  DUH!!!!!

Although Ursinus lost to Muhlenberg by two, they gave the Mules all they could handle.  Nice to see Jesse Krasna score 18 and score over 1,000 points in his career.  I would like to see his contributions recognized in the post season awards.  We will see.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2014, 12:16:05 AM
STILL
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2014, 10:59:13 AM
Don't know where you have been looking... I have not seen that... unless you were looking at last year's championship page.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: shoreman55 on February 23, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
When I think about all conference first team, I think of it as those guys who teams had to completely game plan around. For example, you weren't going to beat Muhlenberg unless you came up with some scheme to slow down Liddic's impact or contain Milligan. In my opinion this is why Gates wasn't all conference--Swat was unfortunately in a place where you could beat them without singling him out (although he certainly had the talent to be one of those guys!).

1) Wixted and Honig (the best guard/big combo since McNally and Milligan)
2) Killing (You had to do something special to keep him under 25)
3) Porter (He was going to shut down your best player. Offensively had to figure how to get past him)
4) Cohen (Had to double-team him down low, Haverford didn't have any help for him if he didn't get going)
5) Hammer (Hopkins was its scariest when he was raining from everywhere)

My second team of "Almost" those guys is: Bugarinovic, Salandra, Moune, Merlo (McDaniel's best player), Morgan, Stavetski
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2014, 04:30:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2014, 10:59:13 AM
Don't know where you have been looking... I have not seen that... unless you were looking at last year's championship page.

Has been corrected.  Centennial Conference website had this years championship game scheduled for F&M.  It now says Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 24, 2014, 11:50:01 AM
Muhlenberg @ McDaniel on Wednesday night at 7:30

Johns Hopkins vs. F&M Friday at 6pm

Dickinson vs. Mules/Green Terror Friday at 8

Winners on Saturday night at 7pm
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on February 24, 2014, 02:36:03 PM
I got the green terror on Wed. The gill center is gonna be rocking!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 25, 2014, 07:40:47 PM
Tomorrow night: I expect a low scoring game and a McDaniel win. But, if the Mules are hot early, I can easily see this game favoring them. But in the end I still like McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 27, 2014, 05:08:52 PM

Here are my picks for the Centennial Conference tournament games;

Johsn Hopkins vs. F&M:   I will take the Diplomats as I think they will finally figure out how to beat the Blue Jays.

McDaniel vs. Dickinson:   I think the home court will be a big advantage in this game. As much as I would like to see McDaniel pull off the upset, I will take the Devils.

F&M vs. Dickinson:   All bets are off for this game which should be excellent. Although it is hard to beat a team three times in a row in the same season, I will take the Diplomats to get past the Devils in a close game.

If the finals match-up is different than the one that I expect, I will post another prediction after the semi-final games have been completed. Am trying to change my schedule to get to Carlisle on at least one of the days. However, it is looking fairly bleak at this point.

Enjoy the games. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2014, 06:42:23 PM
I planning on getting to Carlisle early tomorrow.  I expect a big crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 28, 2014, 09:13:21 AM
I hope for some exciting playoff games tonight. I think Dickinson has the edge at home in what should be a lower scoring physical defensive battle over Terror, but I think it could be tense. I sure hope the Dips don't look like the Washington Generals to the Blue Jay Globetrotters like they did the previous games this year. Hopkins didn't seem to miss an open 3 pointer and it felt like they were making 90+% of their foul shots. Meanwhile they shut down F&M's inside game most of the time by clogging the inside with their many tall players. Dips did their recurrent shaky free throws and missing perimeter shots plus numerous turnovers. I would feel better if F&M were playing Dickinson or McDaniel who they seem to match up better against. This game will probably be fairly low scoring also.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2014, 12:16:59 PM
F&M definitely does not match up well with Hopkins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 28, 2014, 12:28:16 PM
First, congrats to McDaniel on securing their berth in the conference playoffs.  The win over Muhlenberg is impressive.  They don't seem to match up well with Dickinson, so I think the Red Devils will prevail as long as they bring their game.  I'm taking Hopkins over F&M in the first game of the night.  Time will tell!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 28, 2014, 01:07:37 PM
Here are my picks for tonight:

McDaniel vs. Dickinson: this game is a matchup NIGHTMARE for the green terror. Dickinson wins by a fairly convincing margin.

F&M vs. Johns Hopkins: this should be a great game. It's really hard to beat a good team 3 times in one year. Plus I think F&M would love to get revenge on Dickinson for last year! Diplomats win a close close game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on February 28, 2014, 11:48:23 PM
Well that was one of the more heartbreaking losses I've ever seen from F&M tonight. Lee has had his free throw woes all year long and it finally came to a head as he missed the two to win in the warning seconds of that game vs the Blue Jays. That being said, they wouldn't have been in any sort of a position to win without his tough play all night long. It was an evening of missed opportunities for the Diplomats, and it's easy to pinpoint any of a number of times they had opportunities to come back and win the game. It was a roller coaster of a season for Coach Robinson and the troops, and I tip my hat for their effort. Hopkins has an incredibly solid team, and no matter what happens against Dickinson, with a core of Bugarinovic and Hammer they will be dangerous next year.

Dickinson looked nearly unstoppable tonight against a solid McDaniel team that was caught entirely off guard by the speed of the Red Devils, who did absolutely everything right and had everything go their way the whole game. I think that Coach Curley did more than enough this season to earn coach of the year in the cc this season, but even though the votes are already in, we saw again tonight why Wixted is the POTY in the league. As good as Hopkins was tonight, I don't think they'll do mock against Dickinson on their home floor tomorrow.

Cheers to everyone for a stellar season! You all helped to make it a blast.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2014, 10:19:03 AM
Last night's F&M/JHU was like watching deep sea fishing.  JHU(fish) would take off and make a run and F&M would reel them in.  This happened throughout the game.  Finally need the end of game, F&M was pulling JHU on board when JHU slipped the hook and left F&M nothing for 2 hours of work.
I believe F&M never had a lead of more than 1 or 2 points.  Hopkins would build a lead of 10 or more.  Down the stretch, it seemed like neither team wanted to win or they were too tired from the fight.  With all the personnel problems they had all year, they actually did better than I expected.
When Moune re-injured his hand early in the game, I figured F&M was in trouble as he tried to protect his hand.  Devin was fighting through back pain, but I'm sure Hopkins had their issues, also.  Congratulations to Hopkins for beating F&M three times.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on March 01, 2014, 05:06:10 PM
First off, to all of you, it's been GREAT chatting about CC Hoops with you all year!

Now, onto the title game.....

Johns Hopkins vs. Dickinson: Jimmy Hammer is due to have a big game for JHU. I believe in his last 2 games he's only made one three? He went 0/8 against Washington then only made one last night. I think if he and Bugarinovic can get it going, Hopkins can keep it interesting for a while. But in the end, Dickinson is just so deep and they have the home court edge. Wixted, Honig and company won't let them lose. Red Devils take home another CC Title tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 01, 2014, 08:45:30 PM
congrats to hopkins...big win away at dickinson for the championship
wixted had a strong game, honig unfortunately had a weak game at a bad time
hammer also had a poor game but hopkins showed their tenacity and pulled off an impressive win against the champions on enemy turf
bugarinovic 18 and 7, mcintyre had a double double!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on March 03, 2014, 02:57:30 PM
Hopkins and Dickinson both make the NCAA Tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on March 05, 2014, 10:28:01 AM
All-Conference was just announced.  I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.

First Team
G-Adam Honig, Dickinson * Sr 6-1 Chappaqua, N.Y. / Horace Greeley
G-Jimmy Hammer, Johns Hopkins % Jr 6-2 Collegeville, Pa. / Germantown Academy
G-Matt Porter, Franklin & Marshall # Sr 6-3 North Brunswick, N.J. / St. Peter's Prep
F-Jon Salandra, Franklin & Marshall # Sr 6-6 Harrison, N.Y. / Hackley School
F-Gerry Wixted, Dickinson * Jr 6-8 Moorestown, N.J. / Camden Catholic

Second Team
G-Malique Killing, Muhlenberg # Jr 5-9 Philadelphia, Pa. / Friends Central
G-Jesse Krasna, Ursinus # Sr 6-0 Fairless Hills, Pa. / Pennsbury
F-Brett Cohen, Haverford % Sr 6-6 Rockville Centre, N.Y. / South Side
F-George Bugarinovic, Johns Hopkins # Jr 6-5 Overland Park, Kan. / Blue Valley Northwest
F-Kevin Hargrove, Muhlenberg * Sr 6-10 Queens, N.Y. / Chaminade

Honorable Mention
F-Cedric Moune, Franklin & Marshall Soph 6-7 Douala, Cameroon / Glenelg Country School
F-Pat Morgan, Washington College Soph 6-4 Havertown, Pa. / Haverford
G-Andrew Merlo, McDaniel Jr 5-10 Rehoboth, Del. / Cape Henlopen
G-Alec Stavetski, Muhlenberg Soph 6-4 Wayne, Pa. / Archbishop Carroll
G-Tucker Landy, Dickinson Sr 6-5 Durham, Conn. / Xavier
G-Phillip Perry, McDaniel Jr 6-1 Crownsville, Md. / Annapolis Area Christian
G-Wesley Brooks, McDaniel Soph 5-11 North Wales, Pa. / North Penn
F-Cody Kiefer, Gettysburg Fr 6-5 Gettysburg, Pa. / Gettysburg

*       1st team All-Centennial in 2013
#       2nd team All-Centennial in 2013
%      Honorable Mention All-Centennial in 2013


Player of the Year – Adam Honig, Dickinson, Sr., G
Rookie of the Year – Cody Kiefer, Gettysburg, Fr., F
Scholar-Athlete of the Year - George Bugarinovic, Johns Hopkins, Jr., F
Coach of the Year – Kevin Curley, McDaniel

Notes
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 05, 2014, 12:25:12 PM
No real surprises in any of the All Conference selections. 

I was happy to see the voters recognized Jesse Krasna and his contributions to his team and the league.  As I have said before, Kras is a terrific player and and even better person.  The voters recognized that even though he missed a third of the season and played hurt the rest with a painful and nagging foot injury.  Ursinus' improved play down the stretch was due in large part to Jesse's gutsy play. 

Congatulations to all those selected---and all those not selected----for a great year in the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 05, 2014, 06:06:14 PM
Seems reasonable.  I wonder how close some of the votes were.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on March 06, 2014, 01:21:04 PM
It is a complete joke that a player who scored the MOST points and dished out the MOST assists is on the second team!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2014, 06:20:04 PM
As I said before, I wouldn't have put him on the first team.  Obviously, the coaches felt the same way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Denny McKinney on March 06, 2014, 07:11:04 PM
Hey Folks. We have question up in the SLIAC / Midwest room looking for a eastern poster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: Denny McKinney on March 06, 2014, 07:11:04 PM
Hey Folks. We have question up in the SLIAC / Midwest room looking for a eastern poster.

Why don't you post the question here?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 08, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
Dickinson posts a 67-64 win at Wooster to advance to the Sweet 16. Huge victory for the Devils, who got knocked out on the same floor last year. Also a big win for the Centennial Conference after the Pool C selection of Dickinson was roundly criticized on other boards and Hoopsville earlier this week. The Wooster announcers really made me appreciate the crews at most of the CC schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
Great win for the Centennial Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 08, 2014, 10:27:42 PM
49 threes taken--27 by Dickinson
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on March 09, 2014, 01:31:50 PM
The issue wasn't the number of 3's taken, but the percent made.  Dickinson shot 11/27 from 3 for 40%.  Statistically equal to shooting 50% from 2.   Wooster was 6/22 for 30%.  That is not good enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 09, 2014, 09:14:28 PM
When Honig is on, you can't stop him.  He can shoot from well behind the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 11, 2014, 02:53:02 PM
honig is a good player...but tenacious athletic defenders can shut him down regardless of his range.he is crafty,and can get space that way, but heis not quick or fast. his intelligence and cleverness is effective against guards who are not smart, athletic defenders.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 11, 2014, 06:44:01 PM
Porter was able to stop him once this season, but in one game Honig hit 3s from well behind the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 15, 2014, 11:27:15 AM
Dickinson continues to earn respect for themselves and the centennial conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 15, 2014, 09:54:03 PM

Although they lost tonight, Dickinson represented their school and the CC very well.  Congratulations on a job well done!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 16, 2014, 08:14:21 AM
congrats to the dickinson basketball program for a fine season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on March 16, 2014, 06:14:09 PM
You posters are correct.  A good, tough basketball team which represented its' school and conference well.  Dickinson has a solid program to build upon; and, hopefully you can just reload!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 16, 2014, 08:47:14 PM
Dickinson is one of the best teams I have seen all year.  They played hard and smart and just did so many things well on the floor...in addition to being extremely talented. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on March 17, 2014, 11:25:35 AM
Congrats to Dickinson for a great year! Amazingly they were in last place just a few years ago...Also, congrats to Honig, Wixted and Killing for all region. Killing 2nd team all mid Atlantic region but only second team all conference. We need to stop allowing coaches to select all cc because it seems they base their votes on something else besides a players performance on the court..
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 17, 2014, 10:54:03 PM
coaching is key, as well as recruiting and developing a basketball culture at a school. seretti and staff have done a great job with that, born out by their success. seretti seemed to set a tone right from the start and give his players a winning mentality. other coaches could earn alot from him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
The coaches see the players play and aren't affected by glorified stats.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 18, 2014, 06:13:38 AM

Reserved -

Well-said. Although he is talented, I also would not have placed Killing on the All Conference First Team. Congrats to the Devils for a great season!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2014, 11:27:34 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
The coaches see the players play and aren't affected by glorified stats.

Not every coach is in agreement on who should be on which team. Seretti mentioned Killing as being deserving of All-American several times in his postgame news conference on Friday night. Now, I don't think he'll get it, but just know that "the coaches' opinion" is hardly uniform.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on March 18, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
Numbers don't lie...
                   gp   pts/g   fg %   3pt %   ft %   reb/g   a/g   W/L
A  Honig                   30   16.4   44.3   40.2   74.3   3.8   3   24-7
Hammer                   28   13.8   40.2   37.1   85.5   3.4   1.3   17-11
M Porter                   26   14.2   46.8   27.5   65.3   3.8   1.7   17-9
M  Killing                   25   21.7   45.1   36.1   87.6   2.6   3.6   16-10

In the end, you may not like the way a certain player plays, but the facts are partly in the numbers.   There were 2 other players on Muhlenberg that averaged double figures (Stavetski 13.2 and Hargrove 10.5).   It is not like he took 40+% of the shots available.  He averaged 17 shots/game (4 of which were 3's) of the teams 56 shots/game.  He did control the ball more than that percentage alot of the time, which is where I think people have an issue..  It is not "traditional"..

Reality is that he is a scoring point gaurd mainly off the dribble.  He is not a "traditional" 2 gaurd or point gaurd like some of the other players on the all-CC list.   Maybe that is where the difference of opinion lies?? 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHOOPS12 on March 19, 2014, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2014, 11:27:34 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
The coaches see the players play and aren't affected by glorified stats.

Not every coach is in agreement on who should be on which team. Seretti mentioned Killing as being deserving of All-American several times in his postgame news conference on Friday night. Now, I don't think he'll get it, but just know that "the coaches' opinion" is hardly uniform.

Don't you think it's a little odd that he is being "discussed" as an All American but not first team all league?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on March 19, 2014, 08:25:34 PM
There's so much politics to the voting by the head coaches.  They vote in certain ways knowing that if they don't vote for a certain player on a certain team it might give one of their players a better chance of making one of the teams.  Did F&M really deserve to have 2 players on 1st Team?  Probably not and if I had to guess I am sure the Hall of Fame coach voted in a certain way thinking it might give those 2 a better chance to get on the first team.  Bottom line; the coaches talk before all of that stuff comes out so I would bet they all have a pretty good handle on how it will unfold if they vote a certain way.  Fortunately, he got rewarded making an all-region team where the CC coaches cant dictate the outcome and the all-region team is much more impressive than all-CC team.  We all saw what F&M did in the playoffs with those 2 first teamers anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on March 20, 2014, 07:47:59 AM
HoopGuru-

Thanks.  I figured some of that may happen.  I could see the Swat coach not voting for him since he was disqualified late in that game.    Do they still have the ECAC-South voting???  Totally agree all-District is significantly more impressive.  60 teams in MidAtlantic District.   Honig, Killing and Wixted are well deserving of that honor. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 20, 2014, 09:52:20 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 11, 2013, 11:54:43 PM
i see dickinson was defeated handily by wooster, which i expected. i never thought they could get far in the post season. they play well with what they have but they don't have good enough players to go against legitimate D3 programs.
centennial conference, across the board, has to recruit better players in the conference in order to compete in the tourney.
we will see what next year brings.
happy trails all!

Was looking through post season comments from last season for background on the Centennial All Conference selections, and saw this old chestnut...Dickinson made their Elite Eight run primarily with who they already had on board last season--interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2014, 03:39:38 PM
Quote from: CCHOOPS12 on March 19, 2014, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2014, 11:27:34 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
The coaches see the players play and aren't affected by glorified stats.

Not every coach is in agreement on who should be on which team. Seretti mentioned Killing as being deserving of All-American several times in his postgame news conference on Friday night. Now, I don't think he'll get it, but just know that "the coaches' opinion" is hardly uniform.

Don't you think it's a little odd that he is being "discussed" as an All American but not first team all league?

I don't think he'll officially make our discussion but it might be the all-conference team that's odd here. It happens sometimes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on April 01, 2014, 04:39:15 PM


Seretti Named Finalist for Glenn Robinson Coach of the Year Award

http://www.dickinsonathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20140331q72y2g

Well deserved IMHO
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 02, 2014, 04:01:41 PM
I understand that Sports Illustrated has an interesting story on Haverford basketball from a few years ago.  My friend was reading it to me and couldn't stop laughing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: madzillagd on April 07, 2014, 05:25:28 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on April 02, 2014, 04:01:41 PM
I understand that Sports Illustrated has an interesting story on Haverford basketball from a few years ago.  My friend was reading it to me and couldn't stop laughing.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/longform/haverford/index.html

Nice article.  Happen to have a couple friends out here in Sacramento that went there, wife graduated in 97 I believe and I think he was a few years before that so they were all passing it around to all their friends and knew most of the folks mentioned. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on July 10, 2014, 11:45:49 PM
FYI - recruits listed for F&M and Ursinus on D3bballrecruits web site.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on July 13, 2014, 06:02:44 PM
Ronk, that's only a partial list, and there's a transfer from Rice.  He was recruited to come to F&M last year, but he wanted to try D1.  There should be about 10 new players trying out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on July 30, 2014, 08:54:12 PM
F&M schedule is posted.
http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2014-15/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on July 31, 2014, 03:36:12 PM
Shouldn't the conference playoff site be listed as TBD instead of at F & M?  I understand that the Centennial conference is based out of the F &M campus, but playoffs were not held there last season and who knows where they'll be this year! C'mon F & M, let's not willfully misinform the public...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2014, 05:15:36 PM
Looks like it's since been removed. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on August 01, 2014, 05:02:58 PM
I don't know what schedule givengo is looking at, but the same comments were made last year by someone.  I've never seen the play-offs listed at F&M, and I looked the day the schedule was posted.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on August 03, 2014, 09:50:35 AM
  Here's a link to a story on G-burg's Alex Zurn's pro ball quest: http://www.gazette.net/article/20140730/SPORTS/140739947/1023/st-andrews-grad-enjoying-european-basketball&template=gazette
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 03, 2014, 11:26:02 AM
Nice story. Thanks for sharing it.  :) +1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on August 04, 2014, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on August 01, 2014, 05:02:58 PM
I don't know what schedule givengo is looking at, but the same comments were made last year by someone.  I've never seen the play-offs listed at F&M, and I looked the day the schedule was posted.
Followed the link you posted (thank you) and there it was.  It has since been removed, and it was good of the website people to remove it.  Followers of other Centennial conference teams would verify that the schedule has been that way at the onset for the past several years.  The topic has been raised in conversation off line among fans who go the Centennial website when planning to drive to a game in Lancaster. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on October 12, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Pretty cool news out of F&M, where the team is taking a trip to Costa Rica through Oct. 15.  Also,:

QuoteOn Sunday, the Diplomats take on San Ramon, one of the top professional teams in Costa Rica. The game should prove to be a memorable one for F&M as former Diplomat Georgio Milligan '12 starts at point guard for San Ramon. Milligan graduated from F&M as the most decorated player in school history and the program's all-time leading scorer.

Hope there's video there, I know it would be a blast to see Georgio play again, and against his former team too!

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2014-15/releases/20141010pdsz2b
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Post by: DipsWin13 on October 17, 2014, 10:46:25 AM
And here's a follow-up article about Georgio playing in Costa Rica as well: http://lancasteronline.com/sports/local_sports/former-f-m-basketball-star-milligan-playing-in-costa-rica/article_a4dbfc88-5564-11e4-83fc-001a4bcf6878.html
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Post by: mailsy on October 17, 2014, 12:56:50 PM
Thanks for sharing those articles. It's always great see articles about former DIII players playing professionally. Especially players from the Mid Atlantic region. +1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 03, 2014, 10:08:11 AM
F&M held their Blue/White scrimmage yesterday.  It looks like a very young team with a lot of potential.  Eight new members

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2014, 09:28:10 PM
link for article on Dickinson and Wixted:
http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2014/11/gerry-wixted-dickinson-have-grown-together/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 08, 2014, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 03, 2014, 10:08:11 AM
F&M held their Blue/White scrimmage yesterday.  It looks like a very young team with a lot of potential.  Eight new members

Whats the team like this year? Have some really solid forwards. Who do you see starting for them?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 10, 2014, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 08, 2014, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 03, 2014, 10:08:11 AM
F&M held their Blue/White scrimmage yesterday.  It looks like a very young team with a lot of potential.  Eight new members

Whats the team like this year? Have some really solid forwards. Who do you see starting for them?

I went to the scrimmage at Messiah Saturday (then stayed for the Messiah Men's Soccer game- nephew plays for Lycoming who Messiah beat for their conference championship. Wow is the soccer team and atmosphere at Messiah absolutely the best ive seen at any D3 sporting event, by far excluding a national championship game).

I'm more of a MAC CWealth than Centennial poster/follower but post in both so hope you are all well here! Franklin and Marshall started 4 freshman and Moune. I believe they were 34, 15 or 13? was a shooter, 1, Moune and another frosh whose number I can not remember. Once things were settled, Messiah was up double digits for 75% of the game. FnM does not  have "ready to play talent" at the PG or wing positions from their freshman. They struggled to stop Messiah in the open court and couldn't guard any of Messiah's sets. Messiah rained 3's from all over, from many different guy's which FnM looked lost trying to defend- Messiah made these all off of set plays. Messiah was up about 15-20 for good part of the second half. Messiah too seemed to rotate in a ton of freshman who brought a ton of energy and frankly seemed really talented and ready to help them. I'm not sure of the CC talent top to bottom outside Dickinson being really good- maybe someone could shed some light for me :) thanks! I can't imagine them finishing in the top 4 (Stevenson, Alvernia, Widener, Messiah) in the MAC Cwealth. They do have freshman though that will be really talented in another year or two. Moune looked ok. Not special. Morgan Lee did not play which I don't think would of changed things dramatically- guard/wing play is just not there for the DIPS. DIPS seemed to be gassed the last 10 minutes when Messiah was having their way. Messiah seemed in really good shape as they ran for the whole game.

Just a thought. Enjoy this weekend everyone and best of luck to all student athletes in the CC. Safe travels!
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Post by: DipsWin13 on November 12, 2014, 01:55:11 PM
Tis the season for team previews!  Here are the ones for the schools that have put them up thus far:

F&M: http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2014-15/releases/20141112npg0h9
Muhlenberg: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/main/athletics/men/basketball/2014review.html
Dicksinson (video intros): http://dickinsonathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20141111bzqd6p
Washington College: http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20141105awufja
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on November 13, 2014, 10:08:31 AM
Conference pre-season poll is out! 

1-Dickinson (11) 155 points
2-Johns Hopkins (8) 149
3-Franklin & Marshall (1) 117
4-Muhlenberg 106
5-McDaniel 101
6-Gettysburg 98
7-Ursinus 53
8-Swarthmore 52
9-Washington College 38
10-Haverford 31

http://centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/11-13-Poll

I'm a little surprised that F&M is 3 and not 4, and that McDaniel is ahead of Gettysburg at the 5 spot, but other than that I'm inclined to agree with just about everything else.  I'm sure there will be some raised eyebrows at Dickinson getting the top spot over JHU, but it feels like the right call to me.

Thoughts?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 13, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
F&M was trying to give the freshmen an opportunity to see what they can do.  I only expect maybe 2 of the freshmen to play.  F&M should improve their defense drastically, once they learn how to fit into Robinson's game plan.  Messiah had many opened threes and nailed a high percentage.  I expect to see a different team on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 14, 2014, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 13, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
F&M was trying to give the freshmen an opportunity to see what they can do.  I only expect maybe 2 of the freshmen to play.  F&M should improve their defense drastically, once they learn how to fit into Robinson's game plan.  Messiah had many opened threes and nailed a high percentage.  I expect to see a different team on Saturday.

The returners did not look very good outside of Moune, who struggled to finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 15, 2014, 08:24:10 PM
F&M looked like a different team with Morgan Lee back in the line up after sitting out scrimmages with a mild concussion.  With Morgan starting the defense looked much better and F&M dominated the boards and Moune and Lee each had a double double with points and rebounds.  Moune had 16 boards.  Federice showed great court sense despite an off night shooting.  Figuerora came off the bench to had 3 threes and Eggers showed great athleticism.  If he's doesn't get frustrated went taken out to game, he should be great off the bench.  Matthew Tate looked great running the show and is ably backed up by Wright.  Toskovic started but looked a little out of shape.  Owana should improve as the season goes on.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2014, 08:10:54 PM
Federici gave F&M a glimpse of his future potential.  He looks like a solid all around player.  Moune and Lee followed up last night's performance with another significant effort.  New Jersey City was a good challenge for a young team and should do wonders for their confidence.  Tate and Wright gave steady play at the point guard position despite full court pressure most of the game.  Figueroa and Eggers looked good in limited minutes of play, but should be reliable players off the bench especially when they need to play more significant minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 17, 2014, 10:31:20 AM
It looks like CC teams overall are off to a good start. Dickinson, Muhlenberg, JHU, F&M & Mcdaniel all 2-0. Red Devils in particular impressive in crushing the opposition.  :D

SWAT and Ursinus may be in for tough seasons based on early games.   :(

After seeing Dips in person I am impressed with the squad. I had already been worried about a <10 win season based on scrimmage reports posted here. It sure seems to me like at least 2 of the freshmen are ready for quality D3 Hoops play. Tate has the promise to be the multi-skilled PG sorely needed since graduation of Georgio the Great. Federici is an outstanding freshman, it would appear he has great court sense and all around solid play but great shooting touch and quick, smooth release should make him a good player now but he has star potential. Old timers may remember Jerome Maiatico in the late 90's as a great freshman offensive threat, I hope Federici can be at least that good. The down side is that the CC top half of teams are experienced and very good, this team could progress and play well and only be in the battle for 4-6th place. However as a positive thought I think the 2008-9 team when Milligan was a freshmen was picked 6-7 in the CC vote and went on to the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 17, 2014, 06:44:23 PM
Freshmen can really help a team as Milligan showed.  F&M will rely a lot on freshmen and only time will tell.  Sorry to see that Faison quit the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on November 18, 2014, 11:33:26 PM
I think this Federici kid might be pretty good. 28 points in his 3rd game!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2014, 12:24:48 AM
Incredible.  Thirteen minutes into the game the outcome looked bleak for F&M as they trailed 15-38.  With little going right in a small, loud, hostile environment , F&M looked destiny to suffer their first lost of the year.  The game was delayed due to F&M's late arrival after running into traffic around Scranton and Wilkes Barre.  F&M came out cold and the Keystone five were on fire raining in threes(8 for the half) and forcing numerous turnovers(13) by the Dips.  Federici staying calm and collected and with Osley entering the game, the Dips warmup and closed the almost unsurmountable deficit by half time.  Federici should be a player to watch for the next 4 years.  Osley added some defensive and quickness to the F&M offense earning himself a start for the second half.  Despite being double-teamed under the basket, Moune controlled the boards.   Morgan played a solid game, despite missing several lay-ups.  Tate struggled in the opening half getting in early foul trouble, but settled down in the second half.  When Wright came into the game, he showed some early jitters under the intense pressure applied by the Keystone defense.  After settling down, he provided adequate ball movement.  Federici is solid shooter and seemed to pick his spot at the key point.  The bench did a fine job of filling in when needed.
A great win on the road against a tough team.  Keystone has some good shooter and play great defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on November 19, 2014, 02:00:29 PM
If there's one thing we've all learned about a Glenn Robinson team, it is to never count them out of any game, no matter how bad the odds look. Federici looks like he could make a big impact, yes, but we'll see if he can keep up his pace once conference play starts. Moune looks poised to have another near double-double season.

As for the rest of the conference, albeit it is VERY early, Dickinson looks to be set for another big offensive year, posting up 90 and 87 in their first 2 games, quite a ways away from home. JHU, McDaniel and Muhlenberg also off to undefeated starts, but another team I have my eye on is the Bullets of Gettysburg. They were very young but still good last year, and with an extra year of development could be poised to make the leap. It will also be interesting to see what Killing can do for the Mules now that a couple of the Mules' key pieces have graduated.

Also, looks like Dave Knox could have a decent post impact down in Chestertown this season for Washington College. Averaged 17 and 10.5 for the opening weekend, including posting 8 and 7 offensive rebounds in his two games, respectively. If he can take the next step and become consistent, and get a little more backup help in the post, the Shoremen could make a little noise if you combine that with the way they take over 30 3's per game

Anyhow, just my two cents a couple of games into the season. So excited now that basketball is back!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on November 20, 2014, 08:19:01 PM
Killing will be fine.  Berg installed a new 2 guard offense, so you will be seeing a lot less of the things you have seen the last few years.   He will get his shots, but they will be in the flow of the offense.   Saw them at Ursinus last week vs. Alvernia and the ball movement was very good.   Time will tell but they should be very competitive in the CC.   They can go 4 deep on the wings and can go big with 6'9 and 6' 10 if they have to.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 21, 2014, 07:47:09 AM
dickinson will be good again..coach gets the best out of his players and recruits guys understanding how they will fit in. the players tend to over-achieve and buy into his system of team and hard work.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on November 21, 2014, 11:02:16 AM
What has happened to Cody Kiefer of Gettysburg?  Checked the game stats to see how he's doing and it appears he hasn't played yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 22, 2014, 07:35:31 PM
Solid game by F&M.  Great defense and adequate offense.  Brandon Federici continues to show outstanding offensive skills.  Wright played a solid game coming off the bench to play 27 minutes with great defense and contributing 10 points to the offense.  Morgan Lee and Cedric Mounce both played strong under the basket.
The defense kept McDaniel from getting very many uncontested shots.  Hunter Eggers should be a great addition to the team once he gets into the flow.
Good win for the Diplomats.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 25, 2014, 10:30:04 PM
Wow, what a interesting unpredictable round of CC play. Muhlenberg losing to Haverford in slight surprise, the young F&M team upsetting JHU in Charm City and G-burg battling their way to a startling victory at Carlisle (Could Devils have been looking ahead to Cabrini, I hope not). The CC is mid-side up as less regarded pre-season teams Dips & Bullets are alone in 1st place. I expect there will be more losses than normal to the top CC teams by regular seasons end.

In F&M - JHU scrum a very physical and at times ugly looking contest. Of note from F&M side Jared Wright seemed to play an excellent game and although fiercely guarded at times Federici was a huge key to the victory, especially the late 3 pointer when finally open to secure a 7 point lead to carry team home to a win in tough place against Dips nemesis from last season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 26, 2014, 10:07:44 AM
Very physical and defensive battle in Baltimore.  Foul shooting was again a thorn in F&M's side(15/30).  Hopkins was outstanding on the line.  (15/17)  Moune and Lee were doubled team constantly under the basket, and F&M was having trouble lobbing the ball into the big men due to height advantage of Hopkins.  Federici and Hammer were getting very few easy looks.  Federici seemed a little out of sort--may have been a cold or the heat in the building.  The game was very physical and the refs weren't calling some obvious fouls and then would call a touch foul. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 29, 2014, 07:00:37 PM
Extremely physical game at Elizabethtown.  It seemed that E-town felt the only way they had a chance was to push the F&M players around.  Eckert was so physical that Moune was taking a beating.  When the refs finally called a foul on Eckert in the second half the F&M applauded the call.  Morgan Lee played a strong game except from the foul line where he struggled.  Figuerla provide outstanding defense and offense off the bench.  Despite an off night shooting, Federici still scored 20 points.
F&M had 25 assists and 14 steals.  Hines provided relief for Moune so he could get a break from the shoving.  Bodnar for E-town displayed an outstanding effort for #-town.  Tate hit 3 of 4 threes.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 02, 2014, 10:58:45 PM
Sloppy passing night by F&M.  Too many telegraphed passes and too many lobs which weren't lobbed enough.  Lostraccco and Mekongo were extremely physical which kept Moune and Lee at bay.  Moune was beat up and exhausted by the end of the game.  F&M still had too much for the young Bears.  Hunter Eggers had a good offensive night.  F&M kept Draper from getting off any good shots, and Ursinus kept Federici from getting many open looks.  F&M will have to step up the intensity to keep winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
Ursinus use to be a rowdy place to go.  Not last night.  Where are all the hooligans??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 03, 2014, 12:29:17 PM
Reserved,

It's all about winning and the Bears are not doing that this year.  The Hooligans will return when the Bears become competitive.  The Bears are offensively challenged to say the least but are improving each game.  They lack a "go to" offensive player as yet.  They are playing much better team defense.  Started the year with 13 players and now down to 10 with no seniors, 1 junior, 3 sophomores and 6 freshmen.  All 10 play in most games.  Unfortunately, they lost one player with a a torn ACL, one to academics and one for whatever reason.

This group has really good chemistry and should be good in a year or two if they stick together and do the right things.  You will see a much improved team in February but it is unlikely they will make the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2014, 01:39:08 PM
F&M students are consistently.  They just don't show up, win or lose. :)  F&M is young, also: 1 senior, 3 juniors, 4 sophomores, and 7 freshmen.  They have been developing quickly.  Last night was probably there worst performance of the season, which I attribute to their inexperience.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 04, 2014, 02:59:25 PM
Through the first few weeks of the season, I think that the Centennial is very down this year.  A bunch of Mediocre teams to say the least and wouldnt surprise me if whoever comes out on top ends up having more than a handful of losses this year.  Whoever winds up winning the conference I am guessing will be the only team that makes it into the tournament and will be one and done. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 04, 2014, 05:15:53 PM
Predictions were the same last year.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 04, 2014, 05:21:50 PM
Dickinson is still ranked in the top 10, and Hopkins has a lot back from a team that made the tournament last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 04, 2014, 09:04:40 PM
The only rankings I have seen have them at #12 (D3Hoops), which is being very generous after a very bad loss to a Gettysburg team that might make the playoffs this year and let's face it, those rankings are based heavily on how teams finished last year.  I think Cabrini is similar in being ranked b/c of last season, as they do not play any defense.  We will see as the season plays out but I do not see an elite team this year and the teams that will compete to host are vulnerable in quite a bit of areas.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2014, 09:18:32 PM
 I think the voters are basing less on last year then you think... as a voter I can tell you... this year is a cluster. I think voters are trying to figure teams out more then basing stuff on last year at this point.

And per Cabrini - as long as you have Aaron Walton-Moss on your team... you are probably a Top 25 team. And they do play defense... saw them play quite a bit of it at the Hoopsville Classic, actually.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 05, 2014, 09:28:28 AM
I would have to disagree with you on a couple points.  I respect that you are a voter, but with it being a few weeks in I would highly doubt that voters are taking the time to actually watch the teams and if you would back to initial rankings, most of them are going to look at teams that qualified for the tournament and rank a lot based on that and how they performed in the tourny.  Then, about two weeks or so after the new year, I think you will get a much better indication teams that should legitimately be in top 25.

Maybe in those 2 games they played defense; but allowing teams to shoot 43%, giving up close to 80ppg, and allowing opponents a positive asst/to ratio does not bode well.  They will need those numbers to come down, which I am guessing in their conference probably will based on teams they will be playing
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on December 05, 2014, 10:27:19 AM
Dickinson's rankings have been at 14 preseason, 7 in week one and 12 in week two. I saw the Gettysburg game and watched the Bullets shoot the lights out.  They're long and athletic, and they were juiced for the game in Carlisle where Tanner Kirkpatrick (Cumberland Valley HS) played before a home town crowd.  He rose to the occasion, played a great game and they were the better team that night. They have talent.  I'm not a Princeton fan.  It makes me crazy,  but when it's run well it can wreak havoc, and it was one of those games where it looked like Dickinson mistakenly felt they had the game won before they walked onto the court. Most gym rats have witnessed games where the favored team never showed up to play.  Gettysburg gave them a wake up call.
My personal opinion remains that the Centennial is just as strong as it was last year.  Hopkins returned most of their team, Muhlenberg creates nightmares for many, F & M always puts a challenging squad on the floor, and Dickinson is really deep with 5 game ready freshmen added to a seasoned lineup. Add in factors like tough gyms (the Washington College sweatbox and the sunlight streaming into the Haverford gym) and it gives us all something to look forward to.   I myself am anxious to see F & M, Muhlenberg, and Hopkins play.
The thing about the Centennial is there are legendary coaches who know how to get the most out of their players, and coaches coaching against legendary coaches who have upped the ante considerably (McDaniel for one).  You don't get Elite 8 and final four teams without them having great competition week in and week out. The Dickinson performance of last season was a direct reflection on the strength of the conference. I think it will be a dog fight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 06, 2014, 06:26:37 PM
Ugly game at Mayser.  Haverford did not match up well with F&M.  F&M had too much height and fire power.  Moune, Lee, Owana, etc controlled the boards. 55/23 F&M had 4 players in double figures.  Moune 19  Federici 17  Figueroa 16 and Lee 12  Hunter and Figueroa didn't miss a shot.  For the Fords Sherman score 14.  F&M's defense continues to be intimidating. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 07, 2014, 01:02:10 AM
muhlenberg losing consistently, dickinson not dominant but good...they know how to win, f&m more athletes than other teams, hopkins solid with good coaching and now gettysburg in the mix. hard to be a g-rob fan (always has an annoying presence) but f&m seems like the team that presents the most potential problems for their opponents. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 13, 2014, 11:08:08 AM
Big win for Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 13, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
Tough game for F&M.  Coaches were worried about the players' conditioning after a week of limited practices due to numerous players with the flu.
Albright controlled the second half with their speed and athleticism.  The final stats were fairly similar, but Albright had no answer for Lee inside.  Lee lead all scorers with 28 points.  Benz came off the bench for Albright to lead their scoring with 17 points.  F&M's defense came up strong when needed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on December 14, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 13, 2014, 11:08:08 AM
Big win for Dickinson.

It was a nice win for Dickinson.  North Central Ill is a strong team and the game stayed close, but it was always Dickinson's game to lose.  North Central had some nice guard play, and 44 was def their go to guy.  They had basic issues like lots of walks, some of which weren't called...  Dickinson was in control throughout, with the Red Devils clicking.  It was probably a good wake up, out of conference loss for North Central Ill.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 28, 2014, 07:19:44 AM
where is everyone?...no posts since dec 14
reserved seat is carrying the ball alone!
hopefully, as we get deeper into the season, there will be more posts
happy holidays everyone
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 29, 2014, 08:52:06 PM
Good win by Hopkins over #13 Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2015, 07:33:03 PM
F&M held on for a tough game against Immaculata.  Immaculata's aggressive full court pressure keep from being able to put away the game.  Everytime F&M opened a double digit lead F&M would make a careless play and turn over the ball.  Immaculata lead in rebounding with the positioning of Mamadou.  Mamadou, also, lead Immaculata in scoring.  Federici lead F&M in scoring with 30 points.  Lee struggled to get off any shots from the floor.  Moune had difficulty scoring in the paint and had most of his points from the outside.  Wright had a good night except for when he was tripled team.   It should be an interesting game with Richard Stockton.  F&M will have to slow down the pace.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 04, 2015, 10:31:47 AM
Good points RS. F&M will need all their key players to perform well to have a chance against Stockton. I suspect they may fall today. The inability to limit turnovers and penchant shooting a lower % of free throws than field goals could prove too much to overcome vs Ospreys. RS should find a way to contain Federici so everyone else needs to step up. I think Dips would have had a rough time with Lynchburg will their ability to use pressure and make 3's.

The CC has been looking good against out of conference teams more so than in many years. Very glad to see it down to SWAT being much better than I thought. Massey ranks CC teams: Dickinson, F&M, JHU, McDaniel, Gburg, Muhls & SWAT. Hard to disagree at this point.

Interestingly Massey predicted  a near perfect Stockton-Lynchburg score of 64-62 (actual 62-60). Extrapolating Ospreys would be similar 2 point favorites against Dips on a neutral site. I'm not sure what they adjust for the home team but I would guess about 2.5 points. Which would mean a toss up (possible OT). As I said that would slightly surprise me. Dips having lost a starter for the season will need to use their depth even more. I think Richard Stockton has a 67% chance to win but the margin is very random.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 04, 2015, 12:12:41 PM
academics come first
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 04, 2015, 06:57:21 PM
F&M stunned Stockton despite a furious rally by Stockton in the second half.  F&M opened an 18 point lead at the half with solid defense and great 3 point shooting.  Federici followed up his 30 point game on Saturday with 29 on Sunday.  Morgan Lee had a great game after an off night on Saturday. 
The second was a lot of helter skelter defense by Stockton and a bombs away offense.  Stockton tried to play too much individual ball instead of team offense--assist 8 to 15.  Turnovers and rebounds were fairly even.  Moune fought hard on the boards to lead the teams with 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 05, 2015, 04:33:33 PM
Very impressed with how F&M has looked so far this year. Did not see them being undefeated at this point. It's not very often we see one of coach Robinson's teams being "overlooked" sort of speak when the season started, with all of the attention on Dickinson (rightfully so) and JHU to start the year. Federici is just what they needed.

Also, congrats to Gerry Wixted for becoming Dickinson's all-time leading scorer over the weekend. Curious to see how they respond to an early 6pm game this Wednesday night at WAC following a 3+ hour bus ride.

Gearing up for exclusive conference play and can't wait!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2015, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on January 05, 2015, 04:33:33 PM
Very impressed with how F&M has looked so far this year. Did not see them being undefeated at this point. It's not very often we see one of coach Robinson's teams being "overlooked" sort of speak when the season started, with all of the attention on Dickinson (rightfully so) and JHU to start the year. Federici is just what they needed.

Also, congrats to Gerry Wixted for becoming Dickinson's all-time leading scorer over the weekend. Curious to see how they respond to an early 6pm game this Wednesday night at WAC following a 3+ hour bus ride.

Gearing up for exclusive conference play and can't wait!

I'm going to try and be at the game Wednesday.  I'm 35 minutes from Washington College and I can't miss this chance to get a look at them.  I went to the big WAC upset of F&M last year (which precipitated their fall to earth, poll-wise).  That F&M team was a mess - beyond hope.  I'll be anxious to see what they look like in February when they come to town.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 05, 2015, 09:42:38 PM
F&M fell apart early last year when Early(no pun intended) went down 6 minutes into the season, plus you had several players who only played for themselves. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on January 06, 2015, 11:40:17 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 05, 2015, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on January 05, 2015, 04:33:33 PM
Very impressed with how F&M has looked so far this year. Did not see them being undefeated at this point. It's not very often we see one of coach Robinson's teams being "overlooked" sort of speak when the season started, with all of the attention on Dickinson (rightfully so) and JHU to start the year. Federici is just what they needed.

Also, congrats to Gerry Wixted for becoming Dickinson's all-time leading scorer over the weekend. Curious to see how they respond to an early 6pm game this Wednesday night at WAC following a 3+ hour bus ride.

Gearing up for exclusive conference play and can't wait!

I'm going to try and be at the game Wednesday.  I'm 35 minutes from Washington College and I can't miss this chance to get a look at them.  I went to the big WAC upset of F&M last year (which precipitated their fall to earth, poll-wise).  That F&M team was a mess - beyond hope.  I'll be anxious to see what they look like in February when they come to town.

You're thinking of two years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 06, 2015, 01:05:07 PM
Wow. Dickinson and F&M are both overranked for sure
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2015, 01:06:19 PM
Who would you rank ahead of them?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2015, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on January 06, 2015, 01:05:07 PM
Wow. Dickinson and F&M are both overranked for sure


F&M, maybe, but Dickinson has an experienced squad with upperclass leadership.  Almost no one in the country can boast both of those this year.  Sure, they might lose on any given night, but that's true of literally every team in the country this year (except for maybe Whitewater).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 06, 2015, 05:13:07 PM
F&M is definitely inexperienced but their confidence is building with every game.  One of their strengths right now is that they don't rely on one player.  Every player has had at least one bad game, but someone else picked them up.  Odds are good that they won't go undefeated, but they should be in every game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: 7express on January 06, 2015, 05:19:30 PM
If I wasn't 250 miles away from F&M and Dickinson, those 2 matchups should be great this year.  Hope F&M is still unbeaten for the first one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2015, 02:51:07 PM

Headed to Washington College tonight.  I'll be the one guy wearing an Eastern Nazarene College t-shirt - if anyone is around.  Come say hi.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 07, 2015, 03:03:18 PM
CC season starts again. Classic let down game for young Dips against much improved SWAT. I expect a tough battle potential for Garnet win. We'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

Dickinson was very impressive tonight.  Wixted didn't play - some guy with a D on his hat said he punched someone in practice this week - but the team was still really good.  They've got a lot of talent and the freshmen seem to be coming along pretty well.  They've got some growing to do, but they're as good as any team I've seen this year, certainly deserving of where they're ranked nationally.

They play a style that's going to make it difficult for them to really blow out anyone and the coach really seemed to focus on getting the bench guys PT and experimenting with lineups over actually taking it to WC the whole time.

The game was never in doubt, really.  Washington College hit like five or six threes down the stretch to close the gap, but Dickinson hit like 15 of 16 from the line in the last two or three minutes, a really impressive display.

I've been to a few Washington College games now - they certainly aren't as bad as their record and they've got a sophomore, Drury, who's really impressive - but that coach must be the nicest guy in the world.  I just have never seen a college coach so bad at coaching.  The players still look tentative in the offense, even when it was mostly seniors on the floor, they take timeouts in the strangest spots, and there just doesn't seem to be any order or system to how he's using lineups and matchups.  I feel like an average coach would have them at 4-6 or 5-5 right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2015, 11:15:46 PM
F&M played a sloppy game at Swarthmore.  They missed numerous lay-ups and gave up easy baskets.  Swarthmore played excellent defense and controlled the boards, but F&M forced the Garent's guards to turn the ball over on steals.  Yonda was able to score on several uncontested lay-ups.  F&M missed their first shots from the floor. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 08, 2015, 12:21:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

Dickinson was very impressive tonight.  Wixted didn't play - some guy with a D on his hat said he punched someone in practice this week - but the team was still really good.  They've got a lot of talent and the freshmen seem to be coming along pretty well.  They've got some growing to do, but they're as good as any team I've seen this year, certainly deserving of where they're ranked nationally.

They play a style that's going to make it difficult for them to really blow out anyone and the coach really seemed to focus on getting the bench guys PT and experimenting with lineups over actually taking it to WC the whole time.

The game was never in doubt, really.  Washington College hit like five or six threes down the stretch to close the gap, but Dickinson hit like 15 of 16 from the line in the last two or three minutes, a really impressive display.

I've been to a few Washington College games now - they certainly aren't as bad as their record and they've got a sophomore, Drury, who's really impressive - but that coach must be the nicest guy in the world.  I just have never seen a college coach so bad at coaching.  The players still look tentative in the offense, even when it was mostly seniors on the floor, they take timeouts in the strangest spots, and there just doesn't seem to be any order or system to how he's using lineups and matchups.  I feel like an average coach would have them at 4-6 or 5-5 right now.

Not Dickinson's best outing, but the pieces are all there.  This is the time to work things out, and it doesn't hurt them to play without Wixted.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 08, 2015, 09:21:47 AM
I didn't expect Dickinson to be quite this good after losing Honig. The CC playoffs will probably go through Carlisle again, and the Devils should make another deep run in March.

F&M has also surprised me. The win over Stockton was big, but that did not look like the No. 4 team in D-III. And they were without their point guard. I think the Dips will fall soon, if not in one of their next two home games, likely at McDaniel (site of the young '09 team's first loss, and several other losses by highly ranked Dip teams).

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2015, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: givengo on January 08, 2015, 12:21:52 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

Dickinson was very impressive tonight.  Wixted didn't play - some guy with a D on his hat said he punched someone in practice this week - but the team was still really good.  They've got a lot of talent and the freshmen seem to be coming along pretty well.  They've got some growing to do, but they're as good as any team I've seen this year, certainly deserving of where they're ranked nationally.

They play a style that's going to make it difficult for them to really blow out anyone and the coach really seemed to focus on getting the bench guys PT and experimenting with lineups over actually taking it to WC the whole time.

The game was never in doubt, really.  Washington College hit like five or six threes down the stretch to close the gap, but Dickinson hit like 15 of 16 from the line in the last two or three minutes, a really impressive display.

I've been to a few Washington College games now - they certainly aren't as bad as their record and they've got a sophomore, Drury, who's really impressive - but that coach must be the nicest guy in the world.  I just have never seen a college coach so bad at coaching.  The players still look tentative in the offense, even when it was mostly seniors on the floor, they take timeouts in the strangest spots, and there just doesn't seem to be any order or system to how he's using lineups and matchups.  I feel like an average coach would have them at 4-6 or 5-5 right now.

Not Dickinson's best outing, but the pieces are all there.  This is the time to work things out, and it doesn't hurt them to play without Wixted.

Yeah, it seemed pretty clear the coach was using the game for experimentation.  He only played Sophomore Robert Picka 11 minutes - the kid scored 8 with 6 boards and was very impressive running the floor and defending with confidence.  He's listed at 6'11" (although that might be a little exagerated) and he seems to have room to pack on some weight if he hits the gym hard.  There's a real future there, but they seem to be saving him for some reason.  Looking at the roster - they're going to lose five seniors, but there's a very strong core coming back.  I was impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 08, 2015, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on January 08, 2015, 09:21:47 AM
I didn't expect Dickinson to be quite this good after losing Honig. The CC playoffs will probably go through Carlisle again, and the Devils should make another deep run in March.

F&M has also surprised me. The win over Stockton was big, but that did not look like the No. 4 team in D-III. And they were without their point guard. I think the Dips will fall soon, if not in one of their next two home games, likely at McDaniel (site of the young '09 team's first loss, and several other losses by highly ranked Dip teams).

Honig was a big loss, but Dickinson was already reloaded. I checked stats and through 12 games four different players have been high scorers so far this season --three times each--that's balance. They're getting solid bench play, rotating 10 or 11 guys, so things are looking good in Carlisle right now.
I did get to see F & M play Richard Stockton.  Not to take anything away from F & M, but I was underwhelmed by Stockton in a big way.  Too much one on one ball, and maybe the loss of their point guard explains that somewhat, but if they're playing at the level of a nationally ranked team they should have more cards to play in their deck. I think a 6 and 6 Cabrini could take them down at current strength.
Anyway, the season really starts now in the Centennial, and it's always a meat grinder.  Fun times!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 08, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Last night was just another example of how crazy the conference can be at times. First to everyone's points...

-Dickinson was definitely more threatened last night than I think people realize. Still, being able to go 3+ hours away from home and win without Wixted, and also on a night where Angradi was just 1/6 shooting 3's, is impressive. Agree with Hoops Fan, WAC is not as bad as their record indicates. From what I have observed, they always fight hard right to the finish, but their inability to consistently shoot the ball and rebound is usually what does them in. Tough week for the Shoremen, having to play Dickinson last night then turn around and play #11 F&M on Saturday. Yikes.

-Speaking of the Diplomats, if that was one of F&M's worse games, and they still made easy work of an improved Garnet squad, that's scary. Very impressed with this freshmen Federici. Looks to have been another good snag by G-Rob. Moune continues to impress as well. Don't sleep on the Garnet though, they seem to be well improved from a season ago and could make some noise around the push for the 5 seed. In my opinion, its a 3 team race for the regular season title: Dickinson, F&M, and of course, last years champs, Johns Hopkins.

-As for Johns Hopkins, wow. Effectively blow a 20 point lead to Haverford last night and then "Hammer" the dagger home as time expires (see what I did there?) to hold on for the win. Every good team gets these types of scares during a course of a season. Last night might have been that one for the Blue Jays.

-Who saw Ursinus beating Gettysburg going into last night? The Bears had been getting waxed in early conference play, but then they go out and beat Gettysburg, who already owns a win over Dickinson? Now all of a sudden its 4 wins in the last 5 games for Ursinus as well. And a real head scratcher for the Bullets.

-Muhlenberg was due for a nice CC win, and they got it last night against McDaniel. Not enough rebounds by McDaniel to withstand a second half surge by the Mules. I still have questions about this Muhlenberg team, but last night was definitely a good win for them.

There's great, meaningful matchups across the board this weekend as well. Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gusthegoose on January 08, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

Dickinson was very impressive tonight.  Wixted didn't play - some guy with a D on his hat said he punched someone in practice this week - but the team was still really good.  They've got a lot of talent and the freshmen seem to be coming along pretty well.  They've got some growing to do, but they're as good as any team I've seen this year, certainly deserving of where they're ranked nationally.

They play a style that's going to make it difficult for them to really blow out anyone and the coach really seemed to focus on getting the bench guys PT and experimenting with lineups over actually taking it to WC the whole time.

The game was never in doubt, really.  Washington College hit like five or six threes down the stretch to close the gap, but Dickinson hit like 15 of 16 from the line in the last two or three minutes, a really impressive display.

I've been to a few Washington College games now - they certainly aren't as bad as their record and they've got a sophomore, Drury, who's really impressive - but that coach must be the nicest guy in the world.  I just have never seen a college coach so bad at coaching.  The players still look tentative in the offense, even when it was mostly seniors on the floor, they take timeouts in the strangest spots, and there just doesn't seem to be any order or system to how he's using lineups and matchups.  I feel like an average coach would have them at 4-6 or 5-5 right now.
Hoops Fan,
I pay attention to this board and I post very rarely but I find your last point about Washington College's head coach out of line. I don't understand how you can say that there coach is so awful yet he had Washington in a position to beat the#4 ranked team in D3 in the second half? I've watched plenty of Washington College games too and I have to say that your idea that Washington doesn't have a system is outlandish. They very clearly run a secondary break into the triangle offense and on defense they are a man to man pressure defensive team. Washington's leading scorer from last year has also missed most of this season with injury and just returned for the Dickinson game. Washington has also been in multiple games that have gone down to the wire and they have had shots to tie or take the lead and they have missed them. That's basketball and every game I've seen the team has played hard and fought until the very end. To say that "an average coach would have them at 4-6 or 5-5 right now"  I feel is beneath your quality as a poster and from what I've read you seem like a quality poster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
Quote from: Gusthegoose on January 08, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
... he had Washington in a position to beat the#4 ranked team in D3 in the second half?

I mean, to be fair, Dickinson isn't the No. 4 team in the country without Wixted. I say that as a voter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2015, 07:45:49 AM
Quote from: Gusthegoose on January 08, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 07, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

Dickinson was very impressive tonight.  Wixted didn't play - some guy with a D on his hat said he punched someone in practice this week - but the team was still really good.  They've got a lot of talent and the freshmen seem to be coming along pretty well.  They've got some growing to do, but they're as good as any team I've seen this year, certainly deserving of where they're ranked nationally.

They play a style that's going to make it difficult for them to really blow out anyone and the coach really seemed to focus on getting the bench guys PT and experimenting with lineups over actually taking it to WC the whole time.

The game was never in doubt, really.  Washington College hit like five or six threes down the stretch to close the gap, but Dickinson hit like 15 of 16 from the line in the last two or three minutes, a really impressive display.

I've been to a few Washington College games now - they certainly aren't as bad as their record and they've got a sophomore, Drury, who's really impressive - but that coach must be the nicest guy in the world.  I just have never seen a college coach so bad at coaching.  The players still look tentative in the offense, even when it was mostly seniors on the floor, they take timeouts in the strangest spots, and there just doesn't seem to be any order or system to how he's using lineups and matchups.  I feel like an average coach would have them at 4-6 or 5-5 right now.
Hoops Fan,
I pay attention to this board and I post very rarely but I find your last point about Washington College's head coach out of line. I don't understand how you can say that there coach is so awful yet he had Washington in a position to beat the#4 ranked team in D3 in the second half? I've watched plenty of Washington College games too and I have to say that your idea that Washington doesn't have a system is outlandish. They very clearly run a secondary break into the triangle offense and on defense they are a man to man pressure defensive team. Washington's leading scorer from last year has also missed most of this season with injury and just returned for the Dickinson game. Washington has also been in multiple games that have gone down to the wire and they have had shots to tie or take the lead and they have missed them. That's basketball and every game I've seen the team has played hard and fought until the very end. To say that "an average coach would have them at 4-6 or 5-5 right now"  I feel is beneath your quality as a poster and from what I've read you seem like a quality poster.

I've only seen them twice, both against really talented teams.  I do know they have a system, I just commented that they players don't look comfortable in it on the floor, which is a reflection on coaching.  Also, in watching these games, the biggest, by far, answer to the question "why isn't this team winning more" is coaching.  Again, my sample size is too small to know for sure - and certainly his long career means the school is more than happy with his abilities.  There is certainly more to coaching than just in-game adjustments and decisions.  I'm hoping to see them play more often in the future, which may sway my perspective.

That being said, I do watch a lot of basketball.  I see, pretty regularly, a lot of different coaching styles and abilities.  When something like this stands out so clearly, it's something to be said.  Last year's team was better than their record.  This year's team is better than their record.  If that is a trend over time, there is one possible explanation: coaching.

I am perfectly willing to be wrong, but at this point, my opinion is that coaching is holding the team back.  While sitting in the stands, it seemed to be the feeling of vocal fans.  I wouldn't have said something publicly after just two games in person if I hadn't heard the fans complaining about it most of the game.  It's not like this is out of left field.

Like I said, there are likely lots of things I don't see which make him the right coach for Washington College.  I'm not calling for him to be fired or anything, just making comments based on my observations.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2015, 11:40:38 AM
I couldn't disagree more with the assertion that Washington College has a coaching problem. First off, the school has one of the biggest challenges when it comes to recruiting in the fact that it is one of the more difficult schools to be accepted to in this region. Secondly, the coach very much preaches that school comes first and not the team (something more coaches should exemplify at this level) and that shows in their team GPA and what students have done after graduating.

I know for a fact, no coach or team in this conference likes to face up against Washington. They are tremendous on defense and like to go up-tempo in transition. It gives coaches fits preparing to play Washington, especially if you have to travel to Chestertown to do it. They are always prepared, even if they are outmanned and undersized. Remember, F&M a couple of years ago had it's undefeated record snuffed out by Washington on the Shoremen's home floor. Washington has also been able to put together some terrific seasons in recent history.

Their coach is well respected not only on campus, but in the Centennial Conference and in this region (if not further away). This conference has seen far more coaches and teams who don't amount to anything and for some those trends are changing, but to assert that Washington has a coaching problem is missing the bigger picture and scapegoating for the sake of scapegoating.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2015, 01:07:01 PM

I'll just be quiet after this because I clearly am not saying what I want to say.

Those kids play hard and when watching games, I don't see them making bad decisions or taking plays off.  That's certainly a tribute to the coach.  I do see, during games, that coaching decisions seem to be keeping them back.  Yes, the players they get may not be as skilled as some other teams, there's clearly that (although they've got a strong squad right now) - it's just when sitting there watching games and asking, "why aren't they doing better," to me, the answers always come down to coaching decisions.

Not every coach is a strength in-game.  That doesn't make them a bad coach.  I apologize if I gave that impression.  Clearly the school is happy with him - that's the important thing.  I think those in-game decisions are a weak point - certainly nothing to fire a coach over.  Maybe it shows up more obviously because the team generally makes good decisions and plays hard.  There aren't a ton of things to criticize strategy-wise.

I think they'd win more with better in-game coaching, but that might sacrifice a lot of other things that get them in a position to do well in the first place.  My impressions are clearly not reflective of the overall coaching experience, which is sort of why I brought it up here.  Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2015, 02:46:01 PM
Often head coaches and assistants complement each other, as well. Not everyone is a great X's and O's coach and sometimes you need that guy on your staff. Or perhaps a head coach is a great game day coach but not the best recruiter, so you find someone to complement you there. Sometimes you see teams' fortunes change when an assistant coach leaves.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2015, 07:14:06 PM
As usual Washington gave F&M all they could handle.  Washington kept the outcome in doubt until the final minute.  Knox had what seemed to be a career night as he came up big consistently through the game.  Washington's tenacious defense kept F&M from getting in sync offensively all afternoon.  Every time it appeared that F&M might forge a lead, Washington would hit a big three.
When Moune was out of the game with foul trouble,  F&M had trouble getting any rebounds.  Federici had 31 points for a career high but couldn't get off a clear 3 pointer. Tate hit a key three down the stretch to give F&M some breathing room.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 12, 2015, 11:52:11 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 10, 2015, 07:14:06 PM
Washington's tenacious defense kept F&M from getting in sync offensively all afternoon.

Washington always gives F&M trouble with their swarming, high-energy defense. Hard to believe the Shoremen are 1-12, because they looked much better than that.

Depth in the post seems to be a big question mark for F&M at this point. Lionel Owona and Shawn Hines are just not giving the Dips much off the bench. It will be interesting to see if Lior Levy cracks the rotation by the end of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2015, 03:00:51 PM
Owana is another post option.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 12, 2015, 06:02:34 PM
Richard Stockton just lost again at home to Ramapo by two. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 13, 2015, 10:06:14 PM
F&M played a solid game against Muhlenberg.  Muhlenberg put up little fight, which is usually for a Dip/Mule match up.
F&M put 6 players in double figures with Federici scoring 24.  Moune had a double double with 11 points and 14 rebounds.  F&M controlled the boards.
McLeod played a consistent game for the Mules.  Killing didn't look like the Killing of the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 14, 2015, 04:17:09 PM
Muhlenberg has serious problems this year. Killing's supporting cast isn't getting the job done, but quite frankly Killing doesn't seem to be his usual self either. Maybe 3+ years of carrying the squad is starting to catch up to him?

Everything else around the conference last night seemed to go as I thought it would, with the exception of the WC/Ursinus game. I thought that game would be a lot closer than it wound up being, especially after how WC looked last week against a pair of ranked teams. It looks like the Bears didn't have a lot of trouble last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on January 14, 2015, 05:09:37 PM
You can't be serious!!  "Carrying the load" the past 3+ years??   He scored alot of points, but he played with upperclassmen like Liddic (1700 pts, 1000 reb),  Hargrove (996 pts) , and Albano/Forsman as bigs.   And gaurds Curry (1000 pts) and a true PG in O'Hara...  Killing benefitted from having those other players on the court.  This group is young!  He is the only Senior with one Junior.   The rest are Fr and Sophs..  Both Dickinson and JHU are upperclassmen-laden teams.   Experience matters in the CC.  F&M's Fr and Soph's are typically post-grad year kids.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2015, 05:29:43 PM
F&M's Fr and Soph's are typically post-grad year kids   ???????????????????????????????
What does this mean?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on January 14, 2015, 05:40:30 PM
It is not meant in a derogatory manner.   They aren't "true" Freshmen in some sense.   But they are Freshmen.  They played a year of post-grad hoops after HS at Lawrenceville, Hun, Peddie or wherever.  Robinson gets alot of them at F&M.   Frederici played a year after HS at Lawrenceville, correct??  I think you can agree that he is a year older, wiser than a kid coming directly out of HS.   I am not questioning the practice of recruiting PG kids at all.  They are a great fit in the CC with the academic load.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 14, 2015, 05:41:37 PM
Hooper, you are correct. I should have explained myself more. "Carrying the load" was not the right phrase to use, per se. What I was trying to say (or meant to say) was, in the past, like this year, he has so much attention paid to him, that in a way he still was "carrying the load" because, even though he had that surrounding talent, he would always force it upon himself and put pressure on himself to make the plays when all else failed. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. But in the past, he also had those quality teammates to bail him out if worse came to worse, like a 6'10 Hargrove, and a Curry, and of course a Liddic (who I still think was a more consistent player than James McNally was at F&M, but they both were great and are Centennial legends, so that's apples and apples). This year, he's still trying to "carry that load", but unlike in the past, he doesn't have a lot of help to bail him out, other than the likes of Stavetski. Schreer and Larose I think can get to that point, and big John Hunter too, but are still a little too young at the moment. In turn, I think Malique is putting even more pressure on himself this year, and where as in the past he would have gotten the help to bail him out if needed, he doesn't quite have all that help yet. By the end of the year, I fully expect that story to be different once Larose and Schreer get a few more games to take that next step. But right now, the Mules need that to happen fast, because all of a sudden McDaniel has a multiple game cushion on that last playoff spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on January 14, 2015, 05:59:45 PM
All good.  I hear you and agree.  He is actually taking 3 less shots per game than last year, but percentage is down.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 15, 2015, 02:43:23 PM
Indeed. They'll have a tough test Saturday in Chestertown. Even though WC is 1-13, the shore always seems to give Muhlenberg troubles when they play there. In fact, last year they lost an overtime slugfest in Chestertown 104-99.

As for last night's game, I'm surprised there hasn't been any chatter on here about it.

JHU is for real. The defending CC champs made it look real easy against #4 Dickinson last night. However, I'm not necessarily surprised that Dickinson lost, bit what surprises me is just how easy the Blue Jays made it look. Wixted got his double double, but he struggled from the field overall, and except for a spurt of 3 threes late in the first half, Angradi was non-existent. They never really mounted a threat in the second half as JHU coasted to the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on January 15, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
Dickinson has a very good squad this year, but it really only felt like a matter of time before they came back down to earth a little bit.  I find it hard to believe that they're a substantively better squad than they were a year ago, perhaps solely by virtue of no longer having Adam Honig on their roster, and that #4 ranking maybe felt a little bit inflated, especially with the one loss to a middle of the pack (but up-and-coming) Gettysburg team.

I was also surprised the way in which Hopkins won that game... You'd expect Jimmy Hammer would have to go off in order to beat a team like Dickinson, but it was a relatively quiet night for one of the best shooters in the Centennial.  If JHU can consistently get secondary scoring like they did last night (12 from G. Williams off the bench) they could be a very tough team to beat.

Honest question here (maybe just for the sake of discussion): Final seeding aside, is there any way anyone here could see one of the teams not currently in the top 5 (Muhlenberg, Swarthmore, Ursinus, Haverford, or Washington) breaking through and getting into the playoffs?  The Mules are probably the toughest of that group (and the only one that doesn't currently have a sub-.500 record) but even they would have to come from at least two games back to get to the #5 seed in the conference.  I know we're not even halfway through the conference schedule, but right now it does feel like some combination of F&M, JHU, Dickinson, Gettysburg, and McDaniel will be competing in the conference tournament.  I'd love to hear what everyone thinks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 15, 2015, 04:25:48 PM
If any team could do it, I think Muhlenberg has the best shot, just from a talent standpoint, as they are a team that can put up points in bunches on a hot night. And, they already own one win over McDaniel, the current 5 seed, earlier this year, although that game was in Allentown, and I suspect a different result when they head to Westminster. That being said, I think more than likely you already have your top 5 teams locked, the only question probably would be the seedings.

That being said though, theoretically any team could get hot and make a run, beings that the separation from 5th to last is only 3 games with, what, 11 CC games yet to play? Any one of those teams could catch fire and get in. For example....

-WC who sits at 1-13, 1-6 CC but if you look at their game-by-game results, box scores, game recaps, etc., there are quite a few games that they were in until the end, and situations that if one or two more baskets drop here or there against the likes of Gburg (a one point loss), Dickinson (down 3 with a minute left) or F&M (down 1 with 1:30 to play, until a big 3 by Matthew Tate killed the rally), we could be talking about them being in the conversation.

-Same goes for Haverford. They also sit at 1-6 in CC play like WC, but have a W against the Mules, a 7 point loss to McDaniel (when they were only down 4 with :32 seconds left), a 6 point loss at Gburg (down 3 with 1:35 to play), and a 2 point loss to Hopkins in which Jimmy Hammer had to hit a 30+ foot 3 to win it at the buzzer. A bucket or two here or there, and we could be talking about the Fords now too.

-Swarthmore already has 2 CC wins, along with an 8 point loss to Dickinson (down 3 with 2:30 to go) and a 5 point loss to Gettysburg (in which they had a 7 point halftime lead and only trailed by 2 with :30 seconds left).

-Then there's Ursinus, who got blown out by CC opponents JHU, Swat, F&M and McDaniel earlier this year, but has now gone 5-2 in their last 7 games, including 4 straight wins at home, which includes a win over current T-3rd in the CC Gettysburg.

The point is, any of those teams, in theory, could catch fire, steal a few wins, and be right there towards the end of the season. Of those teams, I still think the Mules have the best shot (unless they go to Chestertown and lose to WC this weekend, which happened last year) to do so. But ultimately, I think your 5 teams are locked, and only the order still needs to be determined. I'm just saying, it is very well still possible, but not likely, that one of those teams could sneak in, or at the very least, make the last week interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2015, 05:38:41 PM
Quote from: DipsWin13 on January 15, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
Dickinson has a very good squad this year, but it really only felt like a matter of time before they came back down to earth a little bit.  I find it hard to believe that they're a substantively better squad than they were a year ago, perhaps solely by virtue of no longer having Adam Honig on their roster, and that #4 ranking maybe felt a little bit inflated, especially with the one loss to a middle of the pack (but up-and-coming) Gettysburg team.

I'm not sure it's inflated, I think it's just that kind of year in D3.  They might be more like 8 or 10 than 4, but that's splitting hairs, really.  I just think we don't have any teams across the country as dominant as we're used to at the top.  I can't say there's a team in the Atlantic or Mid-Atlantic Region I'd put ahead of Dickinson, but, yes, they're not as good as typical #4 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 15, 2015, 07:01:09 PM
  New to  the boards , though been following for years.  Big W for Blue Jays yesterday. Coming off of a near major upset  by Haverford last week--- Hammer time showd  why he is one of the deadliest shooting forwards this year in conference by  nailing a three at buzzer to  beat Haverford..  Blue Jays play  the best  team offense in conf and strong man  to man on def will make them very tough again once playoffs come.  Dickenson ,though getting the rightful national props---misses Honig stellar play at guard position and it will equalize Wixted and other bigs efectiveness, against teams with quickness at that position. I am not sure they will blossom as well as they did last year, despite their current run. Looking  like F and M , Dickenson, and Blue Jays, will be shue ins  to make playoffs, but  think the rest is still up for grabs.  Inconsistant play so far by  bottom and middle teams will make for a fun conf second half.  Gettysburg, though sitting with a nice record, still has the big  boys to go through, and Keifer  not back to himself yet after his injury.. My  dark horse to  make the playoffs , as poor as their record is now,will be Haverford.  Looking at their conf record, other than a wacking from F and M, the Fords have taken all their opponents down to  the wire. Check out  the first Dickenson game and closeness of score late in game  before falling, let  alone leading Hopkins with 2 seconds to go in game. Height disadvantage will always be a vulnerability, but with a 6"8 frosh, just back from injury, might help as  season progresses. Haverford  has very  strong quick  guards, who match up well  with this years assortment  in the league  F and M still the team to beat--- will they ? run the table in conferance is the only question...I think not, but will once  again host  the playoffs .  Alot  of ball still to go, and now  all the kids are back to school instead of just  hoops and fun. Rest and health become the missing factor for success.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 17, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
Key game between G-burg & SWAT. Garnet need to turn things around with a win over a top ream. Bullets need to hold on to playoff credentials.

F&M starts challenging 3 game road trip. It seems like Dips have lost something like 7 of last 10 in Westminster even with some excellent teams in that stretch and McDaniel is tough this year. Dips have fared better in Carlisle recently but Dickinson is still a favorite to win CC. With the loss in Baltimore next weeks contest with F&M will be huge and I assume they will come after Dips with an intense fervor at home. Haverford is a possible let down game, plus every CC road game is treacherous. This is an unusual F&M team whose strength is outside and 3-point shooting rather than inside play, but the outside shooting opens up play inside. They usually have defensive intensity plus reasonable depth, though much of it is from underclassmen. Many teams will try to pressure them like Immaculata, Stockton & Albright had some success with.

CC and F&M are hard to predict this year or any year, but Dips should lose at least one of the next 2 games, they are equally likely to lose to Terror or Red Devils and probably modest underdogs in each game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2015, 06:18:06 PM
F&M always struggles at Westminister.  Before the game, I warned several of the players to make sure they got a comfortable lead so that the refs didn't come into play.  The refs weren't horrendous made several questionable calls some each way but more in favor of McDaniel.  Several none calls were also helpful to McDaniel.  McDaniel played much better defense, and Royster hit numerous uncontested shots.  McDaniel hit about 4 shots looked like they had no change when they were taken.  Yrizarry and Perry played very aggressive defense making it hard for Moune and Federici to get off shots.  When Tate went out with a sprained ankle, F&M lost all their depth at the point, forcing Wright to play most of the second half without rest.  Federici's fouls kept him from being effective.  Eggers, also, sprained his ankle slowing him on offense and defense.  Lee and Levy had decent games, but not enough to pull F&M through.  F&M will have to regroup before playing Dickinson on Wednesday, especially if Tate's injury lingers.  McDaniel will be hard to beat on home court.  Hopkins should have height to dominate the boards against McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 17, 2015, 07:32:28 PM
Dickenson over whelms Haverford with size advantage , as Fords appeared to pack it up with 8 minutes left, and unable to climb back like they did from 24 down to Blue Jays.  Still think Dickenson front court is suspect, and expect Dips to prevail in upcoming game. Dickenson bigs prefer the three instead of pounding down low, void of Wixted , who does it all. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 19, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
You confuse "carrying the load" and getting his.  Killins has one goal; break the school record winning is incidental.  He is still taking ill-advised out of control shots but is not receiving love from the refs any longer.  He's also near the top in turnovers.  There was some earlier discussion of Nugent being the worst coach. It seems that title was certainly taken by McClary as they were blown out by G-burg, F&M and lost to WaCo

Not sure what you meant by "the likes of" Stavetski, LaRose ... but Stavetski was honorable mention all conference last year and was among the leaders of ppg/ 3s and FT %.  LaRose will be all conference.  The best defense against both of them has been their coach.  A review of the play by play from the G-burg game showed down by 5 in second half Stavetski scored over a dozen in the second half then was benched after an offensive charge.  He sat for 7 minutes and Mules went scoreless in 6 of them and the lead went from 5 to 25.  LaRose frustration grows as he watches the Killins, Scheer and the freshman dribble the shot clock away.

Their playoff chances possibly have melted- rumor is that Stavetski is out for the season with a fractured leg
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 19, 2015, 04:15:41 PM
Quite the week in conference play last week. JHU reminded everyone of why they're the defending CC champs, then McDaniel goes out and shows why F&M struggles in Westminster at times. All of a sudden the Green Terror have 3 games of separation in the race for the last playoff spot with 10 to play. Needless to say, a big win for the Terror. And only 2 games of separation now from 1st to 5th, AND we get to see F&M vs. Dickinson and Gettysburg vs. McDaniel Wednesday night. Sign me up for that!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2015, 06:07:24 PM
Centennial Conference has 3 teams in the top 25.  wow
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 19, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
D-Mac, you say in this week's blog that "F&M has got to figure out how to win outside of the Mayser Center." Doesn't the win at Hopkins count?

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/01/19/daves-top-25-ballot-week-7-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 19, 2015, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2015, 06:07:24 PM
Centennial Conference has 3 teams in the top 25.  wow

First time that 3 teams have ever been ranked in the same poll in the Centennial
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 19, 2015, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on January 19, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
D-Mac, you say in this week's blog that "F&M has got to figure out how to win outside of the Mayser Center." Doesn't the win at Hopkins count?

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/01/19/daves-top-25-ballot-week-7-3/
F&M does play better at home than on the road. McD and Muhl have generally not been good for the Dips.
Dickinson is always a battle, but the Dips seem to play better there, probably that rivalry game thing.
I'd say whoever wins Wed is in the drivers' seat for the Conference so far, but it's still a little early to say.
really is a tough 3 game road trip... never seem to play well at Haverford wither....

Also 3 teams is amazing, but I doubt it will last too long. Someone has to pick up a couple of losses soon.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2015, 11:01:38 PM
Don't leave Hopkins out of the equation.  They won last year's title.  Hopefully, they don't win the regular season; their gym isn't large enough to host the play-offs.  A lot of fans would be disappointed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on January 20, 2015, 08:14:03 AM
I finally joined the board!! I have followed the Centennial for about 10 years now pretty thoroughly, but I don't claim to be an expert on its history. But I do know a fair amount about the players and coaches that have come through this great conference for about the last 10 years. I am a Gettysburg fan and I can't say that I have noticed any posters from the Bullets perspective....at all. So hopefully I can bring some support for the young bullets squad!! I enjoy reading the posts on here and the topics that come up. I hope I can gain, and give some insight on these great teams and programs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 20, 2015, 10:16:46 AM
CC fan--welcome to the board.  A lot of the teams seem young.  Not many seniors.  F&M has one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2015, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on January 19, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
D-Mac, you say in this week's blog that "F&M has got to figure out how to win outside of the Mayser Center." Doesn't the win at Hopkins count?

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/01/19/daves-top-25-ballot-week-7-3/

Yes they did... back in November... and one game doesn't set a trend. And JHU has won ten straight since that game.

Historically, F&M struggles on the road in the Centennial when they need to win the most. Remember a few years back when they lost to winless Washington? I looked back on the last seven seasons and they are .741 on the road in the conference. Not bad to be sure... but to make sure the conference playoffs go through Mayser Center I think they have got to secure games on the road more - especially against teams they should beat (though, McDaniel is a very talented team - I wouldn't put them in the "they should beat" category).

By the way, McDaniel has beaten F&M four times in Westminster in the last seven years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 20, 2015, 01:40:23 PM
It's encouraging to see the increased number of posts on this board.  More exciting that posters are mentioning and showing interest in multiple teams. Would love to see this board build like the central and multi region boards.  lot's of  witticism and basketball entertainment to be had reading those. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 20, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
Most teams play better at home than the road.  The Centennial Conf has some death traps for even the best of teams.  McDaniel, WaCo and JHU are some of the tougher gyms to play.  My bet is on the Diplomats because of size and discipline.  F&M can be beaten and it depends which JHU team shows up.  They need hot shooting or they can go down.  McDaniel may be the surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 20, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
Johns Hopkins is my bet at the end , despite who hosts the playoffs.  Blue Jays have a deep bench and upperclassman experience-- paricularly two srs Hammer and Bugarinovic as well as astrong Coach Nelson A formula for success. Dips will be in mix for sure, but still think Its Hopkins year again. Going out on early lim and predict Dickenson will fall out of getting to big dance this yr. Two teams from CC this year will go again.  For other teams the race is for making the cc playoffs and number 4, and 5 cede.   Of course alot of ball left and I can be all wrong-- as this is the CC. But thought would give a stab as we get to half way point..... others?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on January 21, 2015, 12:09:18 AM
Looking forward to the games Wednesday night! There should be some good ones.  I am excited for Gburg and McDaniel since I follow Gburg.  We always struggle there, even if we do pull out a win.  It will be interesting to see how McDaniel comes back after a great win for Coach Curley and his program.  They are always scrappy and aggressive.  Hopefully we don't allow Wes Brooks and Merlo to go off, which they have in the past against the Bullets! McDaniel may be one of the more veteran teams in the conference, considering most teams are playing some young guys this year. 
Good luck to all the teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 21, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
I'm curious to see which games actually get played tonight, considering the weather system that's moving into the region. It could make bus travel difficult/dangerous.


But in the event that everything goes off according to plan, Dickinson/F&M and Gettysburg/McDaniel are the highlights of the night.

We'll also see how JHU handles being a ranked team now also when they travel to meet WAC tonight, in a place that gives lots of teams trouble to play in. I think students are back in session at most of the schools now, so the crowd will always present a challenge.

Also, can Muhlenberg bounce back and get a win, or will Ursinus continue their upward trend? And who wins the battle for Haverford/Swarthmore?

Should be a great night (weather permitting).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 21, 2015, 12:08:04 PM
I think G-Burg playing at home will best McDaniel.  And I will go on a limb and say Dickinson will prevail.  We will see how Federici bounces back from a so-so game and Moune seems to be favoring a bad ankle.

If Mules lose tonight their season is done.  Swarthmore should outlast Haverford who probably has their best games beghind them
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on January 21, 2015, 02:09:55 PM
Unless something changed, Gburg is traveling the straight shot to McDaniel tonight. Which is never an easy place to play!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 21, 2015, 02:18:17 PM
The game tonight is at McDaniel. Which, according to what I've read, is still on for tonight, as is Haverford/Swarthmore and Hopkins/WC. No word on the other two games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 21, 2015, 06:21:26 PM
predictions.. hopkins by 12 over wash,   haverford by 5 over swat, muhl by 10 over ursinus, mcdan by 3,over gettys, and  the big one f and m by 4 over Dickenson.  great match ups tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2015, 10:24:30 PM

So Dickinson might have been sending a little bit of a message tonight, no?  I've been impressed with them all season, and certainly F&M is a little overrated, still a very, very good showing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 21, 2015, 11:14:09 PM
Wow. didnt see that one coming,,,Dickenson wallops Dips. A thrashing in a big moment.  Maybe its Dips who are overated not Dickenson. Congrats to them. Still thinking Hopkins is very strong , but Dickenson at home are very tough and meet blue jays home on valentines day. Last game of regular season  with Dickenson at F and m might determine who hosts, pending any  upsets of big three by other teams in conf.
   In the race for other spots, no other surprises tonight, other then Haverford losing in ot in the " battle of the brains" to Swathmore. Back and forth game, with  Haverford with ball and down 1 with 10 seconds  left  and then a turnover by throwing ball out on in bounds play. Swat  then misses two foul shots with 5 seconds left and Haverford races down and misses makeable three at buzzer and lose. Fords James Levine who averages about 7 a night, lead Fords with monster game with 27. Ford guards are  dangerous, though playing without a player taller then 6'2 sometimes in their rotation makes it difficult defending down low and offensively without post play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 21, 2015, 11:15:21 PM
Tonight Dickinson was taller, stronger, quicker, and more experienced than F&M.  Dickinson senior-laden team fought off F&M's early second period run to turn the game into a rout.  F&M couldn't buy a bucket, shooting under 30%.  F&M closed a second quarter gap of 15 points down to 5(45-40) taking the Dickinson crowd out of the game.  Following a breakaway dunk by Cox, it was all downhill for F&M as they only scored 8 points in the 11 1/2 minutes, being outscored 36 to 8.  Every thing went Dickinson's way the last quarter as they easily handled F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 21, 2015, 11:21:16 PM
f&m blown out decisively by dickinson. f&m seems to lack skill and didn't show up to battle tonight. wixted is still the competitor he was as a freshman...at one point he got blocked and went right back at them for a strong finish and an "and one". f&m didn't have the toughness or confidence that dickinson had. dickinson still doesn't seem very gifted individually besides wixted but coach gets everything out of them...balanced scoring, patience, energy, good shot selection and hard work. g-rob needs to get more out of his guys...they didn't show much heart tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on January 21, 2015, 11:47:00 PM
Typical Gburg McDaniel game tonight. I was hoping Brooks or Merlo wouldn't get off tonight, but brooks went 4-6 from 3pt line. Gburg seems to always be susceptible to the 3 ball. Were down by as much as 16, cut it down to 6 or so, but never felt like McDaniel would lose it. Gburg needs more production from bench, especially if they are not going to a knock down the three's. Congrats to Gordon for having 8 assists and 0 turnovers against an always pesky defense. He now has over 500 points, 300 rebounds, and 200 assists!

Not shocked by the Dickinson win, and honestly by the margin. Devils have been in these games lately, and are experienced. F&M as a group has not. Lee and Moune have been in some. But when you are young these types of games happen, especially on the road. The Dips will bounce back and be fine. I would not expect this point margin at the last game of the year. I am not an F&M fan, I don't hate them or anything, but to say G Rob needs to get more out of them is not really fair. They are very inexperienced...have 2 losses...and are ranked!!! For now anyways.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 22, 2015, 12:24:03 AM
No surprise with Dickinson and F&M.  Dickinson is tall, long and run a very disciplined offense that relies on passing and not dribbling which results in open uncontested shots.  Angradi and Hinnenkamp keep getting better which will make life difficult for JHU.  The one crack in the armor is Chris Cox is not a pure point guard and they may be susceptible to a pressure defense.

Muhlenberg's McClary nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory again as the Mules hung on to dear life to eek out a 3 point win at home  against a clearly undermanned Ursinus.  Killing broke the school scoring record then seemed to be benched by McC for the last 5 minutes.  Rindock picked up slack left by the injured Stavetski putting in 17 points.  Unfortunately he is a liability on defense which forced the Mules into a zone defense which allowed Ursinus to come back from down 13 to up by a bucket with a few minutes to go  Mules went ahead by 6 with about 3 minutes left.  Not content to win with  that margin McClary decided to go into a 4 corner stall which resulted in bad shots and a shot clock violation. Ursinus had a shot at the end to tie but Draper who seemed to be clipped on the shot clanged one off the rim from 3 range
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 22, 2015, 12:46:44 AM
Quote from: centfan on January 21, 2015, 11:21:16 PM
f&m blown out decisively by dickinson. f&m seems to lack skill and didn't show up to battle tonight. wixted is still the competitor he was as a freshman...at one point he got blocked and went right back at them for a strong finish and an "and one". f&m didn't have the toughness or confidence that dickinson had. dickinson still doesn't seem very gifted individually besides wixted but coach gets everything out of them...balanced scoring, patience, energy, good shot selection and hard work. g-rob needs to get more out of his guys...they didn't show much heart tonight.
I agree with much that you said --Gerry Wixted played a great game again tonight as usual, and deserves every accolade he gets.  But Brandon Angradi has been named a D3hoops player of the week this season when he tied a conference record of 10 threes in a game.  Angradi, Collins, Hinnenkamp and Wixted have been high scorer at least three times each. Each of the four played a huge part getting the team to their Elite 8 finish last season. I don't see that as a crew without individual gifts. They also play five freshmen who get meaningful minutes, so they are deep. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 22, 2015, 08:35:14 AM
givengo...
i hear what you are saying and respect it. to me wixted is really the only guy on dickinson who can truly make plays. knocking down open looks and getting baskets from an active motion offense and ball movement is what dickinson does best. coach trains role players, team play, and it works. basic, fundamental basketball. to me wixted has been the core ever since he arrived and the success of the team is centered around him. they all play hard and focused on every play, but he gets it done. the centennial in general only has a handful of standout players each year. generally it is teams that we remember rather than individuals. in this conference dickinson always overachieves with a somewhat bland lineup. coaching makes a huge difference since so many players can't do it on an individual basis. guys like wixted, hammer, federico, killing are the exceptions. i was surprised at how far dickinson went when honig and wixted were together and i credit the coaching. honig was a competitor, smart, could shoot, could run the team, but to me not a standout point guard in terms of talent, quickness, athleticism, defense. he was another player who impressed y overachieving due to quality guidance and demands from his coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 22, 2015, 09:22:34 AM
Well said cent fan....though Honig was pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 22, 2015, 11:25:36 AM
agreed...pretty good
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 22, 2015, 12:02:49 PM
I guess the truth will out on the talent question for Dickinson next year, in the post Wixted era!  Love the way Gerry plays-- such a smart a player; he's a true gamer.   He leads the team in assists, blocks, points and rebounds.  Still, there is only one ball to go around, and with an all American who's also the all time leading scorer on the floor, not one but several other players manage to have great stats in the Centennial.  They know what they need to do and how to play. Angradi will likely pass Honig next year as the all time leader in 3 point shooting. I agree with your assessment of Honig and last year's team. He was more a two guard.  My point to yours is, that it's too easy to classify teammates of great players as roll players without enough talent to be more than that, when they're doing what they should be doing.
I also agree that Coach Seretti is a savy guy.  He and his staff do an outstanding job of adapting and getting players to step up.  He pushes players to assume multiple rolls, and keeps his lineup fresh.  He had his team primed and ready last night to take apart almost every aspect of F & M's game, and freshmen played key rolls in both halves.
I'm excited for the rest of the Centennial season. Hopkins and McDaniel are both tough.  Fun conversation--thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

I saw Dickinson play without Wixted, I still thought they were pretty darn good.  They're losing a lot, but I was really impressed with Picka, the Sophomore.  He's big, with room to fill out, good feet and pretty athletic.  They're playing him real limited minutes right now, but I can see a pretty big jump if he keeps working hard.  I think they're losing five seniors, which will be tough to replace, but they're getting plenty of contributions from underclassment to at least keep them competitive.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 22, 2015, 02:38:48 PM
That's the great thing about basketball at every level.  It is the team that is well coached and executes its offensive and defensive schemes that win.  They don't have to be the most talented or athletic.  Dickinson does that with or without Wixted.  Other teams with a star who can get it done---not so much!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 22, 2015, 04:16:59 PM
Count me as being one who was not overly surprised about last night. F&M was due for a bad game (the loss at McDaniel I wouldn't consider "Bad" because the Dips struggle historically in Westminster and only lost by 1) and last night they had it. Nobody could get hot and Dickinson was just too much last night. I expect the Dips will be much more prepared the second time around in Lancaster. Every young team has one really bad game over the course of a season; last night was that one for F&M. I fully expect them to bounce back.

Still only 2 games of separation between 1st and 5th. Isn't the Centennial beautiful??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 22, 2015, 09:42:10 PM
Coaching does make the difference.-- getting the most out of the players the staff recruited is a skill. Getting the players  recruited is a skill.  Having a strategey to maximize the strenghths and minimize the weakness, with each years group is a skill and makes for a winning program. As previously said, rarely in this conf does just one player carry the entire team.  Just looking at some of the bottom dwellers in conf, i mention Haverford as an example, as they have had three  1000 plus scorers in  three successive years-- with a fourth at 996, and still the staff has been unable to produce a winning record going on the 4 th year.  Despite players abilities, coaching in its entirety helps separate the pack besides just having the players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 24, 2015, 06:05:21 PM
Dips win as expected coming off of Dickenson fiasco.  Dominating first half against  over matched Haverford zone was the difference, Figueroa and Federici--- " F and F"  boys on fire from nba land. Second half Fords went to man to man defense and cut lead to 10 , but couldnt over come  initial lead. Haverford outscored Dips in second half.  Alarming for Dip fans considering recent slump, national rating, and hope to win conf.  Moune not  the factor he was in first meeting.   Some how  Dips always seem to have challenge in Haverford home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 24, 2015, 06:42:12 PM
F&M struggled with Haverford's tight defense and aggressive offense.  With a lot of shoving and pushing going on under the basket, Moune presence was negated.  However, Cedric was wearing proper equipment to ward off several low blows.  The refs seemed to be ignored walking, as it was seldom called.  F&M's head didn't seem to be in the game, as the Fords several numerous uncontested shots.  Several long passes to uncovered shooters seemed to leave Robinson frustrated with his team's defense.  Wright and Tate were saddled with foul trouble.  Fortunately Figueroa and Federici were on fire, especially for 3-point range.  Figueroa hit 7 of 9 including one from almost half court.  Graves led the Fords with 18 points, mostly on drives to the basket.  F&M will have to step up their game to beat Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 24, 2015, 11:57:28 PM
JHU kept there streak alive but they struggled against a seriously overmatched Muhlenberg.  Killing seemed out of sync.  Freshman Rindock took over scoring taking 18 shots for 24 points.  Problem wasn't scoring but defense or more precisely lack of.  Schreer was Hammered (Jimmy) who shot 50% and had 18 points.  Hunter and Rindock on defense was like watching a Road Runner Cartoon beep beep layup.  Mules could not come up with a scheme to hide the lack of defense.  Hoping a team shoot poorly won't win many games in the CC. The coaches had no responses and actually seemed satisfied with the performances

JHU did have some problems with the Mules press and committed a pile of turnovers.  Fortunately the Mules had guys on the court who know how to shoot but none of them knew how to twin. There schedule is not getting better with Dickinson and McDaniel (in Westminster) this week. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 25, 2015, 11:15:26 AM
I was a little surprised with Ursinus beating McDaniel yesterday. It looks like the Green Terror forgot how to shoot the ball over the last 25 minutes. Good win for the Bears.

Figured Muhlenberg would give Hopkins a little bit of trouble. When the offense for the Mules is clicking they can give almost anyone trouble. Unfortunately, they don't have the defense to back it up.

As for F&M, any time you can go away from home and win by 16, your doing something right.

Gettysburg had to fend off WC for a while yesterday. The bullets were only up 7 at the half despite a distinct difference in shooting and rebounding. WC was within 7 with about 8 minutes left before Pete Christ went on a 8-0 run in just about a minute to push the lead to 15 and put the game away.

And it looks like Dickinson was never seriously threatened by Swarthmore today.

So, the top 3 spots remain unchanged in the CC standings, with the only change being McDaniel falling a game behind Gettysburg thanks to the Ursinus loss. There's 3 big games on tap for Thursday however, as Dickinson heads to Muhlenberg, Gettysburg goes to F&M and McDaniel goes to JHU. Three key games in the CC playoff race.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2015, 02:56:17 PM
snow delay already??
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 25, 2015, 04:06:18 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on January 25, 2015, 11:15:26 AM
I was a little surprised with Ursinus beating McDaniel yesterday. It looks like the Green Terror forgot how to shoot the ball over the last 25 minutes. Good win for the Bears.

I'm not surprised to see Ursinus win a few of these after watching one of their games.  They literally had a big recruiting year with three 6'7" freshmen.   They might make next year a lot more interesting. 
I always pull for Coach Curley as he's a good coach and a nice man.   The Green Terror is an excellent defensive team, and it's never over 'til it's over with them. The offense will come.
I like what he's doing there. He makes the Centennial a better conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 25, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
McDaniel under-rated as a team and Curley as a coach.  Defense will always keep you in a game.  They play a hard physical defense that gives the best offensive teams trouble.  Those stats don't show up in the score book

Ursinus seems to be getting better as the season goes on. 

Some teams are rising at the right time as others start to slide
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 25, 2015, 06:51:46 PM
Ursinus is getting better and better each week.  Their defense has improved tremendously, they are physical and rebound competitively.  Still not a good shooting team, but should improve as their confidence builds.  Not a playoff team this year but could be a spoiler.

Many of you are talking about young teams.  As a means of comparison, compute the average experience of your team by giving a freshman a factor of one, sophomore two, junior three and senior four.  Ursinus has six freshman, three sophomores, and one junior for fifteen points and an average of 1.5.  I would suggest that Ursinus has the most inexperienced team in the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2015, 12:10:37 PM
Welcome back, Gabriel.
Ursinus only has 10 players.  They had more on the bench when F&M played them.  Did some leave the team?
F&M  7 freshmen, 3 sophomore,  3 juniors, 1 senior.   26 points--average  1.8
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 26, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
I agree with how Ursinus has improved and I think continues to improve each game, which is important when you have a young team.  In my opinion, one of the biggest signs so far for this young team that could be really nice for the future is how they have performed on their home court.  A formula for great success, regardless of level, is to take care of your home games and steal as many as you can on the road.  If you want to compete for conference championships, you must be able to win consistently at home.  If Ursinus can do that (along with keeping the players on the team) I think it will bode well for the future and getting back to consistently being a threat in the conference.  As a sidenote, I think Coach Small has gotten back to trying to recruit players similar to what he has had in the past. The past few years, I think he got away from recruiting players that fit in to what he wanted to in an attempt to keep up with the way some of the other schools, and it has shown with players leaving/getting kicked off the team.  If these core players can stay together and he continues to get some players that fit in, I think they can get to where they want to be, which is competing more consistently for a conf title.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 26, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
Reserved,

They have only dressed ten this year for each game, including F&M.  Preseason, they had 13 players but one (a junior) tore his ACL, one quit the team and one was an academic casualty.

HoopGuru,

Think you are absolutely correct in what you say.  The current players seem to "buy in" to the program and they are getting back to playing the Ursinus way----work hard and put the team first.  Another good recruiting year and they will contend again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 26, 2015, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on January 26, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
A formula for great success, regardless of level, is to take care of your home games and steal as many as you can on the road


Agree completely. As long as you win your home games (or at least 90% of them, because lets be honest, some teams are just TOO good to beat, regardless of location) and steal a few wins on the road, you will always be in contention to make the playoffs. Which is all you really need to do, because once the conference playoffs start, anything can happen.

As for tomorrows games, I will be surprised if any of them get played with the storm that's coming, with the exception of maybe McDaniel/Johns Hopkins (looks like Baltimore might be spared a little) and possibly Gettysburg/F&M. Either way, this will create for interesting schedule changes. Not necessarily just because of the men's schedule because there are no men's games scheduled for Wednesday/Thursday, but because of the women's schedule as well. Most of the women's programs are working on a Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday schedule this week, which creates for postponements and the potential of crazy schedule changes and such. I guess it would come down to whether schools would be willing to dig into the travel budget to pay for multiple buses to go to the different schools on different days rather than having the teams go together to play the doubleheaders as scheduled. Then, you run into the possibility of having the women's programs playing back to back days with potential back to back road trips if that were the case (it sounds as confusing as I'm sure I just made it look).

Anybody have any thoughts on the potential scheduling situation?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2015, 03:18:38 PM
Have to wait to see what really happens.  Lancaster didn't get as much as expected today.  Only had an inch in my area and it was powder. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2015, 03:46:40 PM
More coming... storm is just ramping up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 27, 2015, 01:53:31 PM
Looks like most of the areas got spared by the storm. Looks like the only postponement has been the WC/Swat matchup. Game on for the big Dickinson/Mules, Gettysburg/F&M and McDaniel/JHU matchups! Lots of conference playoff shuffling potentially on tap tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 27, 2015, 10:06:41 PM
Haverford breaks 9 game losing streak and wins a close one 68-63 against Ursinus. Was expecting more of Ursinus based upon recent posts of  their improvement.  Bears are still a big work in progress.  Haverford guards had their pick of easy shots against pourous defense.  Matt Sherman a sophmore is developing into a top guard in conference for Fords. Keep your eye on him in future years for Haverford.  Surprised Ursinus waited untill late to take advantage of Haverford weak interior defense. By the time they figured it out, was too late to overcome 14 pt  hole  they were in. Joseph  Lostracco a 6'8 280 bear had his day with countless 2foot layups to close lead.  Bears with  terrible shot selection at the end- down 3 under a minute, and didnt get a shot off that made it  to hoop.  The growing pains of underclass men.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 27, 2015, 10:30:27 PM
F&M had an unexpected easy time as they built a dominating first half lead(39-15) and coast to a 22 point win.  F&M unraveled a little down the stretch playing a mixture of starters and subs.  The combination of players couldn't  get in sync.  Surprising F&M controlled the boards despite some decent height on Gettysburg.  Lee played a strong game under the basket causing the Bullets to get in foul trouble.  The first half reminded me of the F&M/Dickinson where F&M could do nothing right, only it was Gettysburg who couldn't do anything right.  Eggers played a solid game for the Diplomats, and Figueroa kept up his strong shooting.  Few 3s were taken and fewer were made.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 28, 2015, 12:00:37 AM
Dickinson topped Muhlenberg by 12.  Despite being down 5 at the half the game was hardly in doubt.  Again the lack of defense was quite evident.  McClary seems to have decided he will ride Rindock and Hunter on offense regardless of how they get beat on the defensive end.  Both were used as turnstiles for the Devils players going to the iron.  More than once they were beaten end to end despite a half court head start.  Giving up 90 points will not win you any games.

Killing and LaRose seem to be sacrificed on the offensive end to the detriment of the team.  Hunter again was in foul trouble trying to contain Dickisons big men who can nail the 3s.  There just are not enough places to hide the lack of defense.  Schreer seems to be fading into the woodwork while MCleod shows flashes of promise.

Dickinson had to many weapons that could go to the hole or nail the 3 and usually uncontested. Dickinson has the tools to go deep into the tournament.  For the Mules the season is fading fast
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 28, 2015, 12:42:21 AM
Dickinson did not play as well as they should have tonight defensively. They parked in a zone a few times that didn't work for them at all.   They'll work that out.  Gerry Wixted had another great game-- high scorer with 24, adding 9 rebounds, three assists, and three blocks. Yet when he was kicked in the face during a scrum and came out of the game, the Red Devils went on a 13 point run.  The team has nice depth. 
Muhlenberg has the pieces they need going forward; some truly nice players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 28, 2015, 10:28:26 AM
Everything went about as I expected it to last night, albeit I didn't really see F&M cruising that easily. However, Sean Gordon only played 6 minutes for the Bullets according to the box score. I assume some sort of injury? Can anybody provide insight?

I figured Hopkins would get a tough matchup from McDaniel. What I DIDN'T see was Tim Stewart scoring over half of the Green Terror's points. Getting hardly any production from the guards did them in.

I wasn't overly surprised at the Dickinson/Muhlenberg score. Over the last few years with the likes of Wixted/Honig//Angradi and Killing/Curry/Hargrove etc., high scoring contests seem to be more of the norm than the exception.

I expected Haverford to win last night.....they were due for a win bad and got one on their home court over a still improving but young Ursinus squad.

Only one game on the schedule tonight between WC and Swat, and as of right now it has no bearing on the playoff chase.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 28, 2015, 12:29:36 PM
givengo

I don't disagree with you.  Mules do have some nice players however right now some have very limited skills on both ends of the court. At this point in the season you would expect them to show some type of improvement on both ends.  That improvement has not materialized.  One key piece missing right now seems to be the will to win.  And no relief in sight as they go to McDaniel this weekend at McDaniel's den
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 28, 2015, 01:39:59 PM
Right Hoopdog,
I was thinking more about next year, and not the current season.  They've got guards who shoot and penetrate well,  a big guy who could be decent.   Defense?  You're right-- problems there.
I give Muhlenberg my vote for best game program in the Centennial. Whoever is responsible does a nice job of coming up with pertinent facts for both teams and good head to head comparisons useful to both home and visiting fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 28, 2015, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: hoop master on January 27, 2015, 10:06:41 PM
Haverford breaks 9 game losing streak and wins a close one 68-63 against Ursinus. Was expecting more of Ursinus based upon recent posts of  their improvement.  Bears are still a big work in progress.  Haverford guards had their pick of easy shots against pourous defense.  Matt Sherman a sophmore is developing into a top guard in conference for Fords. Keep your eye on him in future years for Haverford.  Surprised Ursinus waited untill late to take advantage of Haverford weak interior defense. By the time they figured it out, was too late to overcome 14 pt  hole  they were in. Joseph  Lostracco a 6'8 280 bear had his day with countless 2foot layups to close lead.  Bears with  terrible shot selection at the end- down 3 under a minute, and didnt get a shot off that made it  to hoop.  The growing pains of underclass men.

hoop master,

Actually the Bears trailed for most of the game after the first five minutes or so.  Ursinus was down by 20 with 10 minutes to go and then rallied to within 3.  Like every other team, I am quite sure the Ursinus game plan was to pound the ball inside against a very small Haverford line up.  The problem with a young team, is getting the players to execute the game plan.   Clearly, they did not until the final 10 minutes when they scored down low at will.  Then they proceeded to butcher the final minute.  Probably a lot of teaching points in today's film session.  Clearly a disappointing performance by the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 28, 2015, 09:45:26 PM
givengo

I think in large part you are right, it depends on the habits they develop now and they are getting worse.  There big men need work.  A 6'10" guy in the CC should be dominant. But the issue remains at the top.  Not sure how that is solved.  Winning needs to start at the top and you need to let the guys who do know how to win help the rest.  All coaches have a whistle but not every one who has a whistle is a coach.  McClary record has deteriorated with each passing year.

But you are right about the game program.  Most seem to put no effort into it.  You can pick up the Mules program and get a good sense for the game you are about to see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 29, 2015, 09:01:54 AM
Hoopdog

Mules may just be adjusting  this year in their rotations missing Hargrove and Curry as past  solid go tos beside Killing. Certainly their presence helped give Mallick the opportunity to do his thing and run the floor as teams needed to spread focus,on defense besides him.  It takes time each year when key srs graduate and underclassmen take the prime time role, and establish a consistancy.  I agree. though defense usually revolves around effort, and coaching staff needs to respond accordingly.  Thats where bench depth helps give the coach alternatives.  Mules will be in running for the battle for 4/5 playoff position. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on January 29, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
Rough night for the Bullets at F&M to say the least.  I think they will respond very well Saturday with Ursinus visiting.  They owe them from their earlier trip to Collegeville! Gordon will be back and ready to go.  I look for an aggressive Bullets squad to come out ready to play and get back in the win column.  Most likely they are playing to at least host the 4-5 game, and possibly sneak into a 3 spot.  Time will tell, they will likely need to beat F&M, or JHU on the road, never easy, and get a win against McDaniel to take away the head to head if tied with the Terrors.  Interestingly enough, Gburg beat Dickinson, McDaniel beat F&M, so it is important where those two finish for tie breaking circumstances too.  I am certainly not discounting JHU, but McD and Gburg each have lost to them. And they can't have a slip up against a bottom half team. They have a tough stretch coming after, and including Saturday also, Dickinson at home, then hit the road to Muhl, JHU, and Haverford.  And then finish up at home with F&M and McD!! They could gain some ground, or also fade away.  I hope they don't allow SWAT, Muhl, or Ursinus to believe they can crawl back into the last playoff spot!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 29, 2015, 11:11:28 PM
Hoop Master

With all due respect what Mules team have you been watching?  Missing Hargrove and Curry as only "go to" guys after Killing last year.  Stavetski then a sophomore avg 13.2ppg while  "go to" seniors  Hargrove 10.5ppg and Curry 8.9 followed.  And in the playoff loss to McDaniel last year the "go to" guys had a total of 5 points.

Clearly the underclass haven't developed defensively no matter the rotations or trying to hide them in a zone.  They are slow and un- athletic and teams have taken advantage of that.  Stavetski, the second leading scorer and rebounder is out for the year and that has hurt on many levels.  Additionally a consistent point guard (it should be McLeod) and LaRose is more suited to be an overpowering wing man than power forward would be a good start. The bench is weak and the rotations are ill-advised. 

Finish 4/5?  Given their current record 3-8 and their schedule it is almost mathematically impossible.  They are 0-6 on the road and face Ursinus, Swarthmore, Dickinson and McDaniel on the road.  At home, marginally winning record at 3-2 with Haverford, Gettysburg and F&M at Memorial Hall.  Those don't look like a scenario where they will leap 2-3 spots.  A reasonable guess is they get 3-4 wins giving them same number of wins McDaniel (currently 5th place) have now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on January 30, 2015, 09:02:32 AM
With all due respect...  They struggle defensively cause they have to play 4 "gaurds".  Losing Hargrove was huge.   3rd all-time shot blocker in CC and a rim protector.   Hunter is progressing offensively, but he is no Hargrove defensively.  The part you are missing is a Bovino/Forsman and even Albano on the defensive end from last few years.  Big, strong in the middle at the 4 to complement the Center.  This team plays "small" because they have to and most of the CC is bigger and older.   They start 2 6' 4" "gaurds" in LaRose/Rindock with Killing/Scheer.   Losing Stavetski doesn't change the fact that they have no inside presence defensively at the 3-4 spot.   In the last few years, they could go with 3 bigs and 2 gaurds if they needed to.   Currently, they don't have that option.  At the end of the day, you are only as good as the players you have to work with.   I am one that believes they will be very good in a year or two.   Coach needs to recruit a few athletic "bigs" in the 3-4 spot.  Easier said than done...

 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 30, 2015, 11:39:24 AM
Just reviewed parts of yesterday's Hoopsville marathon including the interview with Dickinson Coach Allen Seretti.  Well worth taking a look at.  He gives thoughtful commentary on the Centennial, regional rankings and at large bids. Great spot-- his interview helps to demonstrate why his team is flourishing.  I Also watched the prerecorded interview with the chair of the men's National committee, Jeff Burns AD at Randolph-Macon, another interesting interview covering what may be coming next year, as well as criteria for selection-- regional ranking vs strength of schedule, etc. 
Until this year there was a bias toward conferences like the UAA, NESCAC, CCIW and the NCAC, based legitimately on past performance.  The Centennial, thanks in part to Dickinson's cross country travels into the heart of the CCIW and NCAC two years in a row, and Hopkins hard fought 1st round loss last year is gaining a foothold in legitimizing the conference on a national scale.  Don't get me wrong, F & M, Ursinus; others have history.  With three teams ranked now though, more acknowledgement has been earned for the conference.  Parity is a helping all.  Washington College, Gettysburg, McDaniel and others get mentions as tough opponents. All good!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
Here is a link to the show page where you can find individual links to each of the interviews we conducted during the 13 hours and 8 minutes we were on the air!

www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2014-15/jan29 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2014-15/jan29)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 30, 2015, 12:50:42 PM
I was impressed with yesterday's marathon:  a testament to the commitment to D3 Hoops as you travelled the extra mile, going into overtime last night. Well done.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 30, 2015, 01:23:46 PM
It's always nice when the CC is able to gain more national attention through multiple platforms. Well done.

As for this weekend, Muhlenberg/McDaniel jumps out at me just because the Mules already own a win over the Green Terror this year. However, the game tomorrow is in Westminster, but the game is still intriguing nonetheless. Other than that, none of the games really jump off the page as "must watch" games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Thank you for the kind words. This was the second year we did the marathon and we will clearly keep it as part of our annual show schedule... and overtime just seems to be part of the show LOL.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 30, 2015, 02:58:23 PM
hoop dog
   Hargrove and Curry were srs  and looked to for production. Other teams defense besides focus on Killing, were to stop both of them.  Stats in isolation do not always tell the story. Though both players i mentioned under performed to their past numbers.  I think Hopper explained the role Hargrove played best, and agree with the youth issue currently.   You are though probably correct on the challenge the mules will have to reach the playoffs.  I was a little over zealous with hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 30, 2015, 05:00:42 PM
Hooper

I agree that the Mules miss Hargrove under the basket and Hunter is no Hargrove.  Playing 4 guards is not the issue; it is the talent of those 4 guards.  Killing aside they started 6'4" 6'4" 6'4" and 6'10".  Most teams in the CC would die for that size.

As far as Hargrove and Curry were concerned they would looked to for leadership not production as they both had disappointing years offensively.  Forman gave them a strong battler up front with zero offense and quite frankly 5 extra fouls out of the position. 

The Mules have 3 guys 6'9" 6'10" and 6'6" but  their top big man recruit of 6'8" 225lbs quit earlier this season.  They are not undersized. As far as playing a 4 guard rotation, teams that do that are quick and athletic and use that to pressure the ball force turnovers and run the break.  That is not how the Mules roll.

Tomorrow will be a hard fought physical game and odds favor the Green Terror as they are very difficult to beat there
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on January 31, 2015, 04:41:35 PM
Hopkins wins big as expected over undersize Haverford. Blue Jays insured it was not to be a trap game , and did not let their overconfidence erode their big lead , as they did in first match up, blowing a 24 pt lead and fortunate to win. Ryan Curran 22 pts in 19 minutes today , lead the way. A nice day at the office for many Blue jays, who when on all cylinders look very tough.  Expect no surprises with this weeks match ups in progress in other games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 31, 2015, 06:54:36 PM
The Mules pulled out a tough win at McDaniel's horror chamber.  I wouldn't shake the pom pom too much for the Mules as McDaniels shooting was miserable; shooting 15% from 3s and 32% overall.  And it was not due to tough defense as the misses were many times wide open shots.  Interesting is  the shorter McDaniel scored 32 points in the paint versus 24 for the taller Mules.

Killing didn't not start today and his play was un-inspiring.  LaRose carried the Mules  with help from Schreer from deep.   Defense was helped by poor shooting and it remains to be seen whether the Mules can hold up against the top half of the CC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2015, 07:16:03 PM
F&M won after building up an early lead in the first half and then holding on down the stretch.  In foul plagued second half, the Garnet tried to exert a physically effort to the second half.  For a non-contact sport, the game more resembled a football.  Despite all the whistles which extend the length of the game, many fouls were not called.  Several times the officials had to discuss all the pushing before the ball was inbounded on out of bound plays.  F&M had 4 players in double figures with Federici leading the way with 28.  The Garnet countered with 3 players in double figures with Bourne putting up 20.  Six players lead the way with 5 rebounds each.  Wednesday's match up with John Hopkins should be an interesting game with the Blue Jays hoping to avenge their one lose in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 01, 2015, 03:17:34 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 31, 2015, 07:16:03 PM
For a non-contact sport, the game more resembled a football. 
Basketball is a contact sport...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2015, 10:38:36 PM
Not to the point that you twice take down players from behind on breakaways.  From the New York Times  "Although we don't think of basketball as a contact sport in the true sense of the word, there is a lot of banging going on,"  Saturday's game with Swarthmore was more than banging.  Flagrant fouls should have been called at least twice, if not 3 times.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 01, 2015, 10:46:51 PM
quote from a sport magazine--Football and basketball have decidedly different styles of play based on the rules. Football is a full-contact sport, with tackles and physical confrontations and collisions on every play. Basketball is considered a non-contact sport and by rule physical contact in basketball is a violation that can result in a foul.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 02, 2015, 01:55:11 PM
I couldnt disagree more.  I am not sure if you ever played the game or not, and I am sure that others on the board who have played at the collegiate level can attest to, but basketball is indeed a contact sport.  Obviously not even close to what football is, but is certainly a contact sport.  Every year at the college level, there were times when we would have actual college refs come into our practice to discuss rule changes/emphasis for that year, and every single year they came in, would make it a note to let us know basketball is a physical, contact sport, but with that being said these are areas that we are trying to crack down on - such as hand checking, freedom of movement, etc.  Example - boxing out, completely legal, contact is made, and just one example.  Being a guard, I was on both ends of numerous, blindside but legal screens.  A huge part of offense is setting screens, which is making contact with a player...Go look into rules of swimming and diving if you want non-contact sports
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 02, 2015, 02:08:03 PM
HoopGuru

You are absolutely right.  Screens, hard fouls boxing out all part of a very physical game.  In the post there is a fine line between 2 bodies banging for position and being called for a foul.  Make no mistake it is a contact sport.  The major problem with physical play is the sometimes inconsistency from the men in striped shirts.  They can go from letting them play to becoming whistle happy over any brush of contasct
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on February 02, 2015, 06:07:25 PM
hoop guru and hoopdog14

I agree totally. Post play in d3 though decidedly smaller then the d1 boys in general, has though as much banging and more from some strong atheletes. Depending on  the zebras for the game, determines the amount of allowable contact. Granted d-3,officials appear more inconsistant on their calls.    Looks like they let em play during Swat/,Fand m game.... but basketball for sure is a contact sport. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2015, 06:59:02 PM
I have been watching MAC/CC basketball since '66 probably over 1,000 games, and the amount of contact has increased yearly.  Talking to several coaches over the years has confirmed my observations.  Yes, there's going to be contact, but excessive physical play has to be controlled by the refs.  When players are physically dragged down from behind, players are going to be unnecessarily hurt.   Also, when you go up for a rebound, you should have to worry about be undercut.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 02, 2015, 07:10:26 PM
Reserved Seat

I don't think anyone here would disagree with you that undercutting someone on a rebound or pulling someone down from behind goes beyond physical play.  Athletes today are bigger stronger and faster so it stands to reason that more physicality is expected.  It is up to the referees to set the parameters and do it consistently. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 02, 2015, 07:43:56 PM
Yeah, your argument for basketball being a non-contact sport seems to center more around dirty play from a team, which if that happens it tends to be when you have one team (F&M) who is physically/athletically superior to another team (Swat).  Although I cant vouch bc I did not watch the game, just from watching numerous games over the years, a team like Swat might believe the only chance they have to compete and win is to make the game sloppy and physical in the hopes it gets F&M frustrated to the point they are making uncharacteristic mistakes.  I know when I used to play, this was one of the things that WC did extremely well.  They played hard/aggressive/physical (not necessarily dirty) knowing that refs could not call every single foul...it just wasn't realistic.  And bc of this, they were able to compete with every single team regardless of what it looked like on paper.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 02, 2015, 10:23:19 PM
Really nice article about how Federici ended up choosing F&M. Some of the stuff you never hear when a player just shows up on the court!
http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2015/01/federici-shining-in-freshman-campaign-at-franklin-marshall/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 03, 2015, 08:35:54 AM
Federici is a very good freshman player and I am glad he is happy at F&M. The truth is that the basketball is better in NESCAC than it is in the Centennial, and Williams and Amherst are better schools than F&M. Coach Robinson is very lucky to have him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 03, 2015, 11:58:53 AM
I think Federici has a decent shot at being named CC Player Of The Year, but ultimately because he is a freshman I am not sure if he will get it. It has been a really long time since a freshman got the honor (in fact, has it ever happened? Alex Craft from F&M and Andrew Powers from Gettysburg are the only two sophomores to ever win) and I think that guys like Wixted or Hammer (more so Wixted) have a better shot at it. That being said, there's no question to me that he should be All CC First Team as a freshmen (something else that I believe has hardly ever happened).

As for tomorrow's games, you have to start with the JHU/F&M clash, and what a game it should be! Also, Dickinson already lost to Gettysburg this year and now they have to go down to Gettysburg for the rematch with the Bullets.

Also, what's going on with McDaniel? All of a sudden losers of 4 in a row and a team that was once comfortably in the playoffs now has just a 2 game cushion on the Mules (who own the breaker thanks to a season sweep), Swarthmore, and Ursinus. 3 of their last 6 games are against Dickinson, JHU and Gettysburg, plus they have to go to Washington tomorrow night, which might not look like a threat because the Shoremen are 2-17, BUT, up until 4 years ago, McDaniel had lost the previous 17 matchups inside of the Cain Athletic Center. Combine that with the fact that, for some reason, the Green Terror are on a slide right now, and that could turn into a dangerous game for McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 03, 2015, 12:30:22 PM
I am glad that you brought the games up tomorrow night CCD and specifically McDaniel.  As interesting as the top 3 spots are shaping up to be, with the recent struggles of McDaniel, the final 5th spot has become very interesting as well with 6 games remaining.  Assuming that last spot will be one of; McDaniel, Muhlenberg, Ursinus, Swat.  McDaniel still has games with Dickinson and JHU (both at home), Muhl still has F&M and Dickinson (Home/Away), UC has Dickinson and F&M (Home/Away), and Swat has JHU at Home.  Remaining schedules are below and predicting wins for McDaniel tmw at WC, Haverford and at Swat would get them to 9-9 and I am not sure if any of those teams at 4-8 can get to that mark.  Obviously, a loss tmw night by McDaniel and wins by Muhlenberg and UC/Swat winner will make it more interesting heading into the wknd.

McDaniel                         Muhlenberg                               Ursinus                                     Swarthmore
@WC                              vs. Haverford                             vs. Swat                                        @UC
vs. Haverford                   vs. Gburg                                   vs. Dickinson                                vs. JHU
vs. Dickinson                     @ Swat                                    @ F&M                                           vs. Muhlenberg
@ Swat                             vs. F&M                                     @ WC                                           vs. McDaniel
vs. JHU                             @ Dickinson                               vs. Haverford                                 @ WC
@ Gburg                            @ UC                                        vs. Muhlenberg                              @ Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on February 03, 2015, 02:18:26 PM
HAVERFORD Fords  can be  the big determinant on who gets to 4/5 position for playoffs. Though sitting at the bottom and not regarded highly, Haverford with the acception  of games against the big three, --- though Hopkins was very fortunate to win their first game against Haverford,  have either won or lost very narrowingly to all the others they have faced. . With Gettys, Muhl, Swat, Ursinus, McDaniel, left on their schedule, besides Wash, Fords can win all or of course lose all, but eitherway will have a say on final standings.  With three srs as starters ending their career, would be hard to think they will drop all. Should be an interesting battle in CC for berths.  John Hopkins still my pick at the end for the top, and hopefully three bids to dance from conf.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 03, 2015, 02:45:53 PM
McDaniel & Gettysburg seems to be in a late season slide.  Haverford can be trouble but the team to watch as spoiler is Swarthmore.  Both McDaniel and Muhlenberg have Swarthmore on the road and Swarthmore has beaten the Mules on the Mules home court earlier.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 03, 2015, 03:11:35 PM
Criteria for honors will likely predicate on who wins the conference.  Federici is my bet for Rookie of the year, if I have the terminology right.  I don't see him as POY unless he leads his team to both regular season and/or playoff championships, then a run into the tournament.   This year it's far too early to talk POY, as we have three teams ranked, three teams maybe plus one (whoever wins the Centennial) in contention for tournament bids.   It may not stay that way, but for now leaders on those three teams are the main contenders for POY.
The Centennial is currently in position to get  two teams into the NCAA tournament.  If Hopkins wins the conference, Dickinson should still get a bid,  If F&M wins, there is a chance both Dickinson and Hopkins get bids, though not as likely.  If Dickinson wins, not sure where that leaves Hopkins and F & M.  There are still too many games left at this point.   Fate is in the hands of the players where it belongs.
Lots of good basketball ahead at any rate.  Of particular interest, tomorrow night's games...Hopkins vs F&M,  Dickinson at Gettysburg.  I don't do predictions (bad karma). but I will say I think one game will be close, and one game will not. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 04, 2015, 10:12:06 PM
Fantastic game at F&M, both teams played solid defense without being physical.  Only 12 fouls were called on each team.  F&M struggled with their shooting more than Hopkins(29% to 39%)  Hopkins controlled the boards in the first half, but F&M came on in the second half with Moune ending up with 15 boards.  Bugarinov and Hammer combined for 29 points while Lee and Federici combined for 28.
F&M seemed to dribble into positions where they left no option for a good pass.  F&M's strength for shooting threes disappeared with a 3 for 21 performance, many of the shots tightly contested by the Blue Jays.  Key turning points were and 8-2 run by Hopkins at the end of the first half, and a key turn over by F&M down the stretch.  F&M missed a shot under the basket but slapped the ball out to center court were Figueroa grabbed the ball only to have it punched out of his hands for an easy lay-up.  Tough loss for F&M and a great win for Hopkins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on February 05, 2015, 11:00:02 AM
Haverford gave its typical scare to their opponent, as game was tied at 6 min remaining mark, before Muhlenberg stepped  on gas and Fords ran out of gas.  Mules youth shows itself with some inconsistant play, but also shows their future potential as they closed the game out nicely. With McDanial and Gettys still two games ahead, still a steep climb for Mules to get to 5th spot. If Haverford can surprise McDanial this weekend,  can make the race tighter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 05, 2015, 09:56:30 PM
reserved seat..you are a class act. i know you are a huge f&m fan, but you are always fair about how you discuss a game. that is not easy. thanks for being a great poster on this board and good luck to your team the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 05, 2015, 11:18:57 PM
Haverford came back from a 16 point deficit to gain the lead late in the game.  And just as for a spell in the first half, Haverford lost the ability to shoot, shooting a dismal 18% from 3 pt.  None was due to a ferocious Mule defense but just stone cold shooting.  Once again the Mules relied on non-Killing sources for offense with the hope to just outscore the opponent.  Talented young team yes on offense but defense is not a skill like shooting.  Like rebounding it is heart and attitude.  This game plan works on the bottom third of the conference but is more difficult against the rest.

Hunter provided some nice blocks but spent a good portion of the game in foul trouble.  The offensively talented Rindock had another sharp game on the offensive end and stayed out of foul trouble.  Of course to be called for fouls you need to be at least with an arm's length of your man.  Haverford also pushed the ball up court exploiting a slow recovery of the Mules from the offensive end resulting  in some easy lay-ups.  But in the end Haverford ran out of 3 magic
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 06, 2015, 04:50:20 PM
As always, looking forward to the games tomorrow. All the current CC playoff teams have interesting road tests tomorrow for their own respective reasons (save for McDaniel, at home against Haverford). Ursinus could give Dickinson a good, high scoring game, Swarthmore is playing much better basketball, plus they could catch Hopkins off guard after the big Blue Jays win over F&M, Gettysburg heads to the Mule barn (which Mules team will show up? Could be a barnburner) and F&M has to go to C-Town, a place that has given them extremely close games and even a loss 2 years ago to a winless WC team. Potential big tests for all the current playoff teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on February 06, 2015, 10:37:26 PM
Haverford always gives up size to opponents, and relies  very heavily on the three ball. Haverford has a 6'8 fosh who would give them length, but for some reason gets very limited minutes. With many starters getting 30 plus minutes a game all season, minimally getting him minutes would give others needed rest. As natural fatigue comes from battling - usually from behind, the legs go and so does the three accuracy. Fords have enough talent to compete against teams4-10 in conferance. Hopefully they will be the surprise against a home tough Mcdanial tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2015, 05:06:45 PM


I'll eat my words from before.  I went to the Washington College - F&M game today and WAC really came out firing.  Any complaints I had about coaching were, for the most part, gone.  Not only were the guys ready to play, they came out with a solid game plan and knew exactly how to execute it.  They were tougher, more physical, and proactive throughout.

The F&M team is very young and they certainly could have won the game.  They've got more talent, but they weren't as aggressive as WAC.  It seems like it's still just the learning curve.  F&M didn't play poorly at all, just not up to what they needed to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 07, 2015, 06:09:01 PM
Great win for UC today at home against Dickinson making it 7 straight in Collegeville.  Young team continues to impress and keeps fighting for that 5 spot needing help from others around the league.  From what it looked like UC went with the Triangle & 2 for majority of the game and gave Dickinson fits as they were only able to score 50 pts, well below their average.  I think it was a true testament to the team and coaching staff to stick w/ the game plan as Dickinson was hitting early uncontested shots against the Triangle, which you have to live with in that type of Defense.  UC stuck with it and it ultimately worked out for them.  The upset at WC really helped out JHU at the top as it is going to be difficult for Dickinson/F&M to catch them for hosting rights.  Also hurts both teams from an at-large selection as well.  Exciting last 2 wks of season ahead!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2015, 07:48:51 PM
Big win for Washington.  Things went awry from the onset as F&M tipped the open tip-off to an open Washington player who drive in uncontested for a lay-up.  Washington dominated the first half as they hustle to keep F&M out of sync.   F&M could never close the gap until they got within 5 at the half. Foul shooting continues to haunt F&M efforts as they only made 13/23 while Washington made 27/34.  Missing the front end of one and ones doesn't help.  Despite Washington's lack of height they dominated the boards with their hustle.  Lee's inability to make lay-ups cost the Diplomats. Owana missed several easy lay-ups as well.  F&M fought back in the second half and seemed the have the game and momentum in their favorite with just over 2 minutes to play.  F&M led by 5(70-65) and were on the line shooting 2.  After F&M missed both, Washington went down court and hit a long three to shift the momentum back to Washington.  Trading baskets down the stretch, the game went into over time with Washington outscoring F&M 10-9.
I was impressed with the play of Drury, who seemed to make every play went needed.  Knox played a solid game for the Shoremen and took control of the boards.  Moune and Federici both scored over 20 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 07, 2015, 09:11:46 PM
I mentioned the other day that all of the current playoff teams had tough road tests....and save for JHU erasing a 20 point second half deficit to beat Swat, they all lost. Great wins for Ursinus and WAC in particular. WAC upset a bit more surprising perhaps because of the records this year, but when you look at WAC's recent results against F&M (4 wins for WAC in the last 6 years against F&M while the Diplomats were ranked) its not a major surprise; WC always plays F&M tough. Definitely makes the playoff race more interesting with Muhlenberg grabbing the W today also. JHU gets some breathing room as well with today's results.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 07, 2015, 10:11:47 PM
Mules managed to hold on as Gettysburg crawled back from a 12 point deficit with around 2 minutes left to close within 3.  For Mules defense was the issue again as Hunter played well throughout most of the game but in the end fouled out while Rindock posed as a turnstile despite being buried in the zone. 

Killing looked like the Killing of old as he played without restraint hitting key 3s and thrilling the crowd with some spectacular passes resulting in some easy buckets.  LaRose showed some nifty power moves to the iron.  In the end Gettysburg clawed back to within 3 aided by Killing with an unusual miss on the front end of a 1 &1 while Rindock missed both ends of a double bonus.  Fortunately for the Mules Gordon's final 3 missed its mark and the Mules escaped with its 4 straight win.  Still out of a playoff berth they face a must win game next week at Swarthmore
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2015, 10:19:25 PM
It's unfortunate that JHU has such a small gym.  It will be difficult getting tickets for the play-offs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on February 07, 2015, 11:03:01 PM
Mcdanial does what it needed to do in beating Haverford today. Tim Stewart looking like real deal pouring in 25. Though green terror was sloppy at times on  both ends, they dominated the boards with their own limited size, 41-25. Matt Sherman for Haverford continues to be Fords most consistant player scoring 18 and hitting double figures for 11 out of last 12 games. Fascinating  that the Haverford staff keeps perimeter shooting as main focus, with no post presence at all on offense and interior defense. Unsure why 6'8 Frosh never came off the bench to change things up. Fords shooting 26 per cent from three and 34 per cent overall, wont get it done as they attempt to finish  strong and impact standings in cc
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 08, 2015, 03:16:45 PM
I think you're selling the Centennial short  as a whole with your comment.  Not seeing Dickinson as overrated by your argument.  Going into conference playoffs last year, they had five losses, two out of conference, three in-- sat in second, just as they are now, but they have a better overall record this year with three total losses.  Last season, losing in the Cent championship they received a pool c bid and went to the elite eight, traveling halfway across the country to defeat SUNY Geneseo, a top ranked Wooster team, and Wheaton to do so.    Most of the key players are back, and they have been ranked all season, unlike last year. Yesterday was a good gut check--not a bad thing. They were flat. Wxted should have been in down the stretch.  Coaches will evaluate, players will step up.   I expect to see them rebound.  We want two bids at least out of the conference. This is a year where we should get that.
Hopkins escaped yesterday by the skin of their teeth for a second time to a team they should never lose to, or be close to losing to.  Washington College has found a way inside the heads of F&M players for successive years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on February 08, 2015, 09:35:06 PM
I agree Reserved Seat that JHU's gym is small. I don't recall a seating issue when they hosted in 2006 or 2007. I was always amazed at the poor facilities at F&M as far a locker rooms go. They may be one of the top 3 in worse locker room facilities in the conference. At halftime they send you into their athletic offices in an old racquetball court with a glass wall! And then you have people walking by your "locker room" while going over your adjustments. I guess every gym has their pros and cons. And that is just my opinion, which really doesn't mean much. Dickinsonm and McDaniel may be worse then F&M though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2015, 11:25:29 AM
F&M probably has one of the better locker rooms now.  Several years ago the coaches were embarrassed to take recruits into the locker rooms, but now it's the first stop.  Definitely poor in the past. http://www.godiplomats.com/dept/Locker_Room_Release/Locker_Room_Release
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2015, 11:31:15 AM
In 2006-2007, F&M did not qualify for the play-offs.  When I contacted John Hopkins, I was told there were no tickets allotted for non-participating schools, and no tickets were available.  I assume there may have been some tickets available at the last minute, if a participating school didn't sell their allotment, but I was going to risk driving all the way to Baltimore for no seating.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on February 09, 2015, 02:05:52 PM
I am assuming that those are not the locker rooms that the visitors get. Is that correct? But they look beautiful.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2015, 02:35:59 PM
These are all the locker rooms.  Every locker room was redone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on February 09, 2015, 04:58:25 PM
I stand corrected then. Well done F&M!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2015, 05:40:34 PM
CC has 2 teams in the top 10--Dickinson 9 and Hopkins 10
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on February 09, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Congrats to the CC for having 2 teams still ranked.
Hoping that Gburg can turn the ship around. But not going to be easy. @JHU, @Haverford, and then F&M and McD at home. And only a 1 game lead for the 5th spot....yikes!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 11, 2015, 10:21:47 PM
Ugly game for Ursinus.  Nothing went right.  F&M played a tenacious defense giving Ursinus few easy shots, and their offense was on fire.  Federici missed one shot going 7 for 7 from behind the arc.  Figueroa went 4 for 6 from beyond the arc. Federici set the CC scoring record for a freshman.  The subs played well for the Dips with everyone playing.  Ursinus junk defense that worked against Dickinson on Saturday didn't work tonight.  Hopefully F&M can get on track away at Allentown on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2015, 08:00:47 AM

From what I saw at Chestertown, F&M was pretty upset about the loss.  I'm sure getting back on track was at the forefront of their minds.  Coach Robinson called to loss "disturbing," so I can only imagine what he said about it to the team in private.

Good way to get back on track.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 12, 2015, 11:14:46 AM
Swarthmore completed its sweep against Muhlenberg besting the Mules 84-72 at Swarthmore.  Score makes the game look closer than it was.  Swarthmore led at half by 6 and went on a 19-4 run to extend the lead to 20 and they coasted from there.  Swarthmore rained 3s and Bourne lead an inside attack that minimized the Mules height advantage.  Mules was not helped that its back-up big man McClellan down with some sort of shoulder injury.  The Mules keep banking on that they can outscore the opposition while trying to hide its defensively challenged frosh.  The results to date ---disappointing and unlikely to improve vs F&M or Dickinson in upcoming games.

Swarthmore was not the first team to push the ball up court to beat their guards who look lost and confused.  At times Swarthmore shot 3s and not a Mule to be found for 15 feet

The bright spots for the Mules was seeing the Killing of old dropping in 25 points and the play of a mostly unused freshman guard Talbert.  He played defense as it was meant to be played tough, aggressive and with heart and drilled his first 3 attempt.  His pressure help ignite the Mules comeback (relatively speaking).  The Mules may be better served trading this type of defense for a scorer who compromises the entire defensive effort.

F&M is next for the Mules and they will likely arrive in a bad mood.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 12, 2015, 01:19:15 PM
Was told the stomach virus hit the Dickinson squad.  Two starters were affected but played, though obviously not themselves.  6th man Romocki was dressed but did not play.    Kudos to McDaniel for outstanding shooting-- happy for them last night after the game.  Hope this is a 24-36 hour bug for Dickinson and will not be a factor on Saturday vs. Hopkins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 01:20:26 PM
Bad timing... because that is a loss that in this year could cost Dickinson. Lots of losses amongst a lot of teams this year across the country and the Mid-Atlantic SOS numbers are average at best.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 12, 2015, 04:53:49 PM
Hopkins pretty much has the top spot locked up now after last night's results, barring a lot of crazy circumstances occuring. Flu bug or not, that loss might be a killer for Dickinson. Still have a home game against Hopkins this Saturday and a tough road game at F&M looming before the conference tournament even begins. And keep an eye on the Muhlenberg game as well; if a shootout breaks out it could be anyone's game. Everything else shaped up about right last night. Figured F&M would come out a tad bit agitated against Ursinus after the WC loss. Swarthmore completing the season sweep of the Mules was a slight surprise, but it is also just further validation that the Garnet are definitely heading back the proper way as a program.

The race for the 5th playoff spot is interesting. Gettysburg, despite losing 5 in a row, still holds the lead by 1 game over both Ursinus and the Mules. Similar to 3 years ago when WC started off 9-3 in conference play before backing into the playoffs on a 6 game losing streak. Not saying at all that the Bullets will do such a thing and lose out, but with a road game at a pesky Haverford team coming this weekend, followed by home games against F&M and McDaniel.......the race for 5th is VERY compelling.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on February 12, 2015, 09:46:44 PM
Tough and surprising lose by Dickenson, regardless of illness issues. My early prediction holding true so far-,Hopkins, And F and M, with Dickenson missing out  in the big dance.  However anything can happen in CC playoffs, and would be a shame for stud Wixted not to play on national stage to close fabulous career. Also as predicated Muhlenberg in running for that coveted 5 th playoff spot.  Haverford with games against Gettysburg, Ursinus, and resurgent Swathmore and coming off a victory over Wash, may have a say. No game is a lock in ending two weeks to regular season
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2015, 08:32:43 PM
F&M struggled to pull off a victory at Muhlenberg.  Federici had difficulty getting off a clean look and only had 3 points at the half, ending with 17 for the game.  Both teams played tough defense for the first half as the half ended at 26-19.  Schreer did a fantastic defensive effort on Federici.  Both teams struggled at the line especially F&M.  Moune had a double double with 11 rebounds and 16 points..
Play opened up a little in the second half as both teams made adjustments at the half.  Osley played 20 minutes to provide some defense on Rindock.  Killing doesn't seem to be the player he was in the past, but it was certainly fun watching him play for 4 years.  The Mules seemed to challenge every shot under the basket and ended up with 7 blocks.  A good win in Allentown where F&M has had difficulty in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 14, 2015, 09:22:33 PM
With all due respect Reserved Seat your seat must have been quite a distance form Memorial Hall.  THe game was no longer in doubt after about 7 minutes into the game.  F&M lead for 39 of 40 minutes with leads of 6-12 points.  Defense by the Mules??  Cold shooting is not defense its a gift from God for a team struggling to defend, but even that didn't help the Mules.

The Mules game plan is the definition of insanity;trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.  Shreer and Rindock only hope on defense was they could stir up enough breeze as their men flew by to give the shooters  a nasty cold.  The contested shots F&M took was from help defenders who then left others open and the Mules in poor rebounding position.  This resulted in F&M grabbing 15 offensive rebounds ending in easy buckets in the paint.  F&M shot 33% from 3,  40% FG and 59% FT.  A cold shooting night which had little to do with defense.

And as before, down 7-10 points the McClary engages offense/defense subs.  A tactic employed way too late to hide poor defense and usually little improvement on offense.  And the result is another L

You are correct in Killing doesn't appear to be the player of old.  It seemed to happen around the last F&M game when McClary decided the younger underclassmen were the answer to a tough season.  Instead of experienced players who know how to win, he went with younger guys who walk through the motions.  The result is a less the .500 season and with a scant chance of a 5th seed playoff spot sliding out of reach.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2015, 10:15:56 PM
F&M only lead by three early in the second half, and never really took charge of the game.  Schreer and Rindock were giving F&M fits throughout the contest.  The Muhlenberg fans sitting next to me felt the game was still in reach until F&M opened a consistent lead of 10+ points  with 6 minutes to go.  When Federici hit a three with 5 1/2 minutes to go, Muhlenberg went to a foul mode which didn't play off. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on February 15, 2015, 09:54:36 AM
HoodDog14-

Clearly you have an issue with the Coach and the players he is using.   The continued undermining of a Coach, his personnel and decisions is easy on an anonymous Board.  I can gaurantee you that the rest of the Coaches in the Centennial Conference do not have the same feelings as you.   Those are the people whose opinions matter.   The Mule AD's opinion matters...   Your and my opinions don't matter.   I can only hope that you are not a parent of a current player.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2015, 01:28:18 PM
I suspect Muhlenberg will have plenty more success after this season concludes. Moving forward, the team has a lot of options and will have less distractions.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2015, 03:27:40 PM
QuoteI suspect Muhlenberg will have plenty more success after this season concludes. Moving forward, the team has a lot of options and will have less distractions.

You can read a lot into that statement.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 15, 2015, 04:05:33 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2015, 03:27:40 PM
QuoteI suspect Muhlenberg will have plenty more success after this season concludes. Moving forward, the team has a lot of options and will have less distractions.

You can read a lot into that statement.

Muhl parents spoke freely with visiting parents last season.  They'd say amen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 16, 2015, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: hoop master on February 12, 2015, 09:46:44 PM
Tough and surprising lose by Dickenson, regardless of illness issues. My early prediction holding true so far-,Hopkins, And F and M, with Dickenson missing out  in the big dance.  However anything can happen in CC playoffs, and would be a shame for stud Wixted not to play on national stage to close fabulous career. Also as predicated Muhlenberg in running for that coveted 5 th playoff spot.  Haverford with games against Gettysburg, Ursinus, and resurgent Swathmore and coming off a victory over Wash, may have a say. No game is a lock in ending two weeks to regular season
Nice win over Hopkins on Senior Day, confirming that the Red Devils are back on track. It was the sort of game you like seeing a good team play entering the stretch. Overcoming a setback prior to the stretch run is big.  Hopkins and Dickinson (sp) hold the upper hand for bids currently, noting both strength of schedule and head to head comparisons.  I'm not sure F & M matches up that well with Dickinson.  Big game on Saturday, anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 16, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
Was able to catch most of the JHU/Dickinson game online.  I thought it was a well-played game on both sides.  Dickinson had trouble defending/stopping Bugarinovic inside. Even when Dickinson doubled down on him, Bugarinovic did a really good job of splitting the double, still finding a way to score.  I was really impressed with his ability to finish with his right hand (off hand for him) which makes him that much tougher to defend.  Hopkins was crashing the O glass very hard early, but Dickinson adjusted nicely.  The 1 thing that stood out was FT disparity - Dickinson took 26 to just 8 from JHU.  Wixted took more himself than the entire JHU team.  Along those same lines, I did not like the foul call w/ 2 sec left that sent Angradi to the line for 3 FTs to win the game (and I am neutral fan).  He looked stuck in the corner w/ no dribble and appeared to jump into the defender...time & score I would have liked to see him have to make that shot or settle it in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 16, 2015, 01:56:26 PM
When it comes down to it, I'll take Wixted and his supporting cast over Bugarinovich and his, especially seeing Hammer held to just two points in their game.  I haven't liked Dickinson with a target on their backs this season, and think it works to their advantage to have the target on Hopkins now.  Much fun to come...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2015, 02:30:30 PM

My impression of Dickinson this year is that they're prone to wander mentally in games that might not be as important.  They seem to show up, focused and ready, for the games that matter.  I think we'll likely get their best play come tournament time.  That's not to say they'll win.  There are a lot of good teams in this conference, although I'd be very surprised if the Championship Game is anything but Hopkins-Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 16, 2015, 03:12:58 PM
Hooper:

Seems like I hit a nerve.  I am just a basketball fan and the CC have some of the best basketball in all of D3.  I am not sure how the other coaches opinions count? If I were them yes I would welcome the current situation as it would make my job easier.

And since you so strongly that my opinion doesn't matter it would follow yours does not as well.

The Mules have a talented squad and it is quite easy to see they are not having fun.  And after all that is what the game should be for them.  The ability to compete at a high level and have fun playing a game they love.

But then my opinion doesn't matter
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on February 16, 2015, 05:07:18 PM
Dickenson needed the w more then Hopkins for their and fans pyschy that everything will be ok.  Blue Jays come  playoff time, with home advantage, and  playing with all on the line, will win it all. The question really for CC will be two teams or three in  tourney? . Dickenson /F andM loser may be out. .. Srs  in Baltimore are focussed on a repeat for BluebJays.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 17, 2015, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2015, 09:44:54 PM
If a player is not happy with their situation and their goal is basketball, they should find a better fit for themselves.  F&M currently has 3 former players starting for other schools.  All 3 students were excellent young men, but didn't fit in with their assigned role for some reason at F&M.  Some had skills similar to other players,  some thought their skills were more important than the team's needs, and some had offensive skills, but lacked defensive skills.
I don't envy any scholar athlete who feels he or she needs to contemplate transfer for sport-- or for educational/social fit. Making that initial decision on where you feel you'll get the best education and the right fit is difficult enough.  Add in the chosen sport, the coach, the chance for playing time etc., and it can be a joyful four years or a nightmare depending on the outlook and expectation.  At the d3 level, and particularly in a conference like the Centennial, where most if not all of these players are exercising their brains on a level at least as strenuous as they exercise their bodies, this makes any such decision far more complicated. Unless these athletes have academic scholarships-- which rarely cover but a portion of the cost, or demonstrate need (which again, only goes so far), they may be giving up more than the athletic frustration is worth.   Many of these institutions have total costs of 60K per year.  Consider that not all credits will transfer and they're expensive credits.  Then there's the fact that coaches looking at incoming transfers may well tell you what you want to hear, but until you get there, who knows?  I give a lot of credit to those who choose to ride it out, and if some frustration seeps through, well it just does.
The flip side on transfers out, and the sadder side... Some transfer because the financial burden is onerous to the family.  What many families think they can deal with initially becomes too much.  Maybe they start with an academic scholarship tied to a minimum cum and they can't maintain it.
It's easy to say transfer to play elsewhere if that's your focus, but for many of these guys the athletics are a blink in time, and the education is what will last.  If you take a look at graduation rates for Swat, Haverford, Dickinson, Hopkins, Muhl, Ursinus etc, you'll see the majority graduate in 4 years with high job placement rates.  College basketball is entertainment for many of us, but this is real life for these students.  They give up breaks and visits home to family for holidays.  They spend hours every week on long bus rides and suffer through double headers, when they need sleep, study time and a decent meal instead of pizza. They're our future lawyers, doctors, professors and researchers. They create bonds with teammates as freshmen that will be lifelong because of the shared sacrifice.  Transfer for basketball?  Maybe, but it's just a small piece of who most of these men are. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 17, 2015, 01:56:01 PM
Givengo...well said - hints at the many differences/circumstances that the athlete at D3 has to take into account whenever transferring comes into their minds..

Looks like tomorrow's games have a big impact on what will happen in the playoffs.  A win by JHU would give them hosting rights and depending on Gburg/F&M outcome, might create a tie for 4/5 between McDaniel/Gburg if Gburg can pull off upset of F&M.  It will be interesting to see what happens this wknd if both McDaniel and Gburg lose and Ursinus wins tomorrow.  Ursinus would go into Muhlenberg Sat needing a win and a McDaniel win @Gburg to get into the playoffs due to their head to head record (2-0) vs Gburg this year.  I would have to guess that McDaniel would much rather play Ursinus at home in that 4/5 match-up, placing a lot of motivation on that game in Gburg Saturday if that is the case. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 17, 2015, 02:17:42 PM
So this board now has Hooper, Hoop Guru, Hoops Fan, Hoop Dog and Hoop Master?

Hoop-ditty-do!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 17, 2015, 02:33:53 PM
I agree it's a shame that any athlete has to transfer, but sports(unfortunately above academics) are important to some students.  Sometimes students and PARENTS have a different valuation of the player's talent and feel uncomfortable in their situation.  This happens in all aspects of life.  I spent 4 years earning an accounting degree, and shortly after entering the field for an at-the-time elite CPA firm, I decided the field wasn't for me. At the first opportunity, I switched fields and taught elementary school for over 30 year.  If a student isn't in a place that they feel fits their needs, they shouldn't force themselves to stay.  Many students change schools for academic needs, also.  I've had friends who had children transfer to change majors.
I do know that 2 of the 3 students who transferred from F&M transferred because they wanted more playing time. 
As HoopGuru said there are still a lot of possibilities out there.  I believe JHU has little chance of not hosting.  Gettysburg has to win one game to guarantee their fate.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 18, 2015, 08:32:26 AM
Quote from: HoopGuru on February 17, 2015, 01:56:01 PM

Looks like tomorrow's games have a big impact on what will happen in the playoffs.  A win by JHU would give them hosting rights and depending on Gburg/F&M outcome, might create a tie for 4/5 between McDaniel/Gburg if Gburg can pull off upset of F&M.  It will be interesting to see what happens this wknd if both McDaniel and Gburg lose and Ursinus wins tomorrow.  Ursinus would go into Muhlenberg Sat needing a win and a McDaniel win @Gburg to get into the playoffs due to their head to head record (2-0) vs Gburg this year.  I would have to guess that McDaniel would much rather play Ursinus at home in that 4/5 match-up, placing a lot of motivation on that game in Gburg Saturday if that is the case.

The fact that Ursinus started off the season 0-7 and 0-4 in CC play, yet still has the chance to make the conference playoffs (and with the way Gettysburg has been playing, a pretty good chance at that), is crazy. It's like I said a couple of weeks back on this forum when Ursinus was being discussed....if you win all your home games and steal a road game or two, you can be right there every year for the conference playioff discussion. And what's happened since? Ursinus has won 7 in a row overall at home and stole a HUGE road win at Gettysburg. And now, they're right there.

Also, pretty much every game on the schedule tonight is a great matchup. Crunch time coming down to the conference playoffs. Gotta love it!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on February 18, 2015, 09:13:06 AM
Giveengo----Very well said  and I agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: WPI89 on February 18, 2015, 01:48:52 PM
F & M and The Red Devils will be playing each other twice in a week - I would think if either team lost twice - they could be in trouble for the the 3rd bid?  I know it is not supposed to matter, but Dickinson's success last year in the big Tourney certainly can't hurt though!

If the goal was to maximum a chance at 3 bids - how about Dickinson beats F&M this weekend - then F&M beats them and Hopkins next week.  I think you get all 3 in that way.

Up north - there is a chance the NESCAC could possibly only get 1 bid - which could open up some extra pool C bids - need to root for an early Amherst loss to Tufts - at least personally, I still feel they are the most likely to get the pool C consideration.  I think the committee may think Trinity and Bates are a year away.  NEWMAC is looking at a max of 2 - as long as WPI or Babson win their tourney.  You need to root against Springfield or MIT winning the NEWMAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 18, 2015, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on February 16, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
Was able to catch most of the JHU/Dickinson game online.  I thought it was a well-played game on both sides.  Dickinson had trouble defending/stopping Bugarinovic inside. Even when Dickinson doubled down on him, Bugarinovic did a really good job of splitting the double, still finding a way to score.  I was really impressed with his ability to finish with his right hand (off hand for him) which makes him that much tougher to defend.  Hopkins was crashing the O glass very hard early, but Dickinson adjusted nicely.  The 1 thing that stood out was FT disparity - Dickinson took 26 to just 8 from JHU.  Wixted took more himself than the entire JHU team.  Along those same lines, I did not like the foul call w/ 2 sec left that sent Angradi to the line for 3 FTs to win the game (and I am neutral fan).  He looked stuck in the corner w/ no dribble and appeared to jump into the defender...time & score I would have liked to see him have to make that shot or settle it in OT.

Was able to see a replay of the foul call with 2 seconds left.  Watched it three times.   In the film Bugarinovic clearly jumps into Angradi then tries to pull back, not the other way around.  The ref would have been remiss in not blowing his whistle.  It was legit.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: givengo on February 18, 2015, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on February 16, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
Was able to catch most of the JHU/Dickinson game online.  I thought it was a well-played game on both sides.  Dickinson had trouble defending/stopping Bugarinovic inside. Even when Dickinson doubled down on him, Bugarinovic did a really good job of splitting the double, still finding a way to score.  I was really impressed with his ability to finish with his right hand (off hand for him) which makes him that much tougher to defend.  Hopkins was crashing the O glass very hard early, but Dickinson adjusted nicely.  The 1 thing that stood out was FT disparity - Dickinson took 26 to just 8 from JHU.  Wixted took more himself than the entire JHU team.  Along those same lines, I did not like the foul call w/ 2 sec left that sent Angradi to the line for 3 FTs to win the game (and I am neutral fan).  He looked stuck in the corner w/ no dribble and appeared to jump into the defender...time & score I would have liked to see him have to make that shot or settle it in OT.

Was able to see a replay of the foul call with 2 seconds left.  Watched it three times.   In the film Bugarinovic clearly jumps into Angradi then tries to pull back, not the other way around.  The ref would have been remiss in not blowing his whistle.  It was legit.

He definitely jumped into him, but he did it because the defender was out of position.  I don't think he could have taken his normal shot without getting hit.  Completely legit from my perspective.  If anything, leaning into the defender sometimes makes it less likely to get a call, especially since Angradi does that frequently.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 18, 2015, 10:48:35 PM
No way F&M qualifies for the tournament unless they win the league. Gettysburg took care of business and easily beat F&M.  For F&M, no intensity, NO defense, no offense, and NO VICTORY.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on February 18, 2015, 11:02:47 PM
Gburg looked great tonight. I like the adjustments Petrie has made with his lineup. Seems they are clicking the last two games. Now need to beat Mcd twice, first one for home court advantage would be nice. But winning the second one is the only one that matters.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 19, 2015, 09:53:48 AM
Agree, F&M won't make the NCAA Tourney unless they win the league. Which, looking at them right now, I wouldn't bet on it happening. The youth might be starting to catch up a little bit. Losers of 3 of their last 5 games and are 5-5 in the last 10 overall, and picking the wrong time of the year to do it....AND they have Dickinson coming to town this weekend, who really needs a win to keep their potential at-large hopes alive in the case that they don't win the conference tournament. Don't get me wrong, once the playoffs begin it's still hard to bet against a team coached by Robinson, but they need to show some signs of improvement starting this Saturday against the Red Devils.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2015, 10:41:20 AM


I'm not sure F&M was expecting to make the tournament this year.  They had that big run of success to start off, but it's overall a very young team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
Week 2's regional rankings made an early appearance today: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630 (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2015, 10:52:35 AM
When the season started, F&M was just hoping to have a winning record.  With a lot of early breaks, they were fortunately to start 14-0.  I just happy to be 19-5, as I'm sure a lot of teams would like.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 19, 2015, 10:55:12 AM
I would agree, nobody expected F&M to do this well this year. Shows how scary they could also be for a couple of years, beings that all that the Diplomats graduate is Morgan Lee.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 19, 2015, 11:59:34 PM
The Mules gave Dickinson a run at Dickinson but came up short.  Game went back and forth but neither team set the world on fire. Dickinson missed more  bunnies than Elmer Fudd but in the end Mules just didn't have any leadership to carry the load.  Defense and Offense struggles plagued both teams.

Hinnenkamp was a tough match-up for the Mules and carried Dickinson (19 pts) as Wixted and Collins had poor shooting game.  For the Mules LaRose was the sole double digit scorer with 10. 

The Mules season was summed up in one play.  McLeod made a great defensive play, stole a pass and had an uncontested lay-up.  A last second decision to throw it down got him rim-blocked and a turnover.  And so went the Mules season.........
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 20, 2015, 12:50:04 PM
Think Dickinson, with the exception of juniors Angradi and Hinnenkamp, played a let down game after the win over Hopkins Saturday --their designated senior day. The Weds game with Muhl was the last true home game for the seniors and it showed. Looked more like a preseason scrimmage for them. If they'd made half the gimmie lay ups they missed they'd have won by thirty.
I agree Muhlenberg had their season summed up in that one unfortunate play and I felt bad for that kid.  It was one of the more embarrassing things I've seen on court in a while.  But,  he also was the only player I thought had any real spark for Muhl in the game-- had nice moves to the basket so I hope it's just a lesson learned for him for the future.  Muhlenberg did not look like a team battling for a playoff spot. Killing was a non factor.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 20, 2015, 03:24:31 PM
Dickinson/F&M game moved up to 2 for tomorrow.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2015, 04:05:38 PM

F&M beats Dickinson - I think they get second place based on tiebreakers, right (it goes all the way to Ursinus, if I'm not mistaken).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2015, 04:40:29 PM
After a listless game at Gettysburg, F&M put together a solid game to beat Dickinson(69-53)  With a new starter(Hunter Eggers), F&M played a solid game, offensively and defensively despite having Federici in foul trouble and still struggling with his shot.  Lee scored 20 points in his last home game, and Figueroa added 15 off the bench.  Hunters contributed 10 rebounds, 3 blocks and 6 points.  Both teams struggled with threes and F&M continued their woes from the line missing 9 to Dickinson's 3.  Wixted played a strong game for Dickinson and scored 25 points with a little help from the refs getting 12 of his points on the foul line out of 13 attempts.  With a little more help from his teammates the game would have been closer.  Angradi was tightly guarded forcing him to shot longer 3's than in the previous game against the Dips.  Angradi didn't get the open looks he had a Dickinson.  Unfortunately both teams match up again on Friday in Baltimore, in possibility of a do or die game for both teams.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 21, 2015, 04:05:38 PM

F&M beats Dickinson - I think they get second place based on tiebreakers, right (it goes all the way to Ursinus, if I'm not mistaken).

From what I can tell... yes, F&M over Dickinson based on results vs. Ursinus (F&M 2-0, Dickinson 1-1).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 21, 2015, 07:26:37 PM
Muhlenberg and Ursinus played for what was left of their pride.  Mules won 67-58 but the game was touch & go.  Mules led by 15 at half and that lead rapidly disappeared.  Defense by the Mules was again MIA as UC took direct aim at the glaring weakness and closed the gap to 4. Fortunately for the Mules, Ursinus shot miserably ;38% from the field, 29% from 3s and 59% from foul line.  The Mules were soundly beaten on the boards as UC cleared 49 boards to 26 for Mules

Mercifully the season for both of them is over.  Also ending with a wimper and not a bang was the career of Killing.  MK did not start and played a mere 14 minutes!  Seems to be a lousy way for a coach to close the  career of a player who played hos heart out for 4 years and was the schools leader in virtually every offensive category; tossed aside like yesterday's paper.  Sad!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2015, 07:56:53 PM
Hoopdog14, I agree Killing certainly was disrespected in his final game for the Mules.  Looks like he didn't even start.  Not my favorite player, but always exciting to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2015, 09:56:52 PM
How do you not start the kid who was the face of your program in his last game?
Seems a bit heartless.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 21, 2015, 10:07:41 PM
Wonder if there's more to the story.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2015, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 21, 2015, 04:05:38 PM

F&M beats Dickinson - I think they get second place based on tiebreakers, right (it goes all the way to Ursinus, if I'm not mistaken).

From what I can tell... yes, F&M over Dickinson based on results vs. Ursinus (F&M 2-0, Dickinson 1-1).

Does it matter in any way- 2 seed vs 3?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 22, 2015, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 21, 2015, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 21, 2015, 04:05:38 PM

F&M beats Dickinson - I think they get second place based on tiebreakers, right (it goes all the way to Ursinus, if I'm not mistaken).

From what I can tell... yes, F&M over Dickinson based on results vs. Ursinus (F&M 2-0, Dickinson 1-1).

Does it matter in any way- 2 seed vs 3?

Not really - it decides which jerseys they wear, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 22, 2015, 09:14:48 AM
hard to say why killing didn't start. maybe something happened and coach felt he shouldn't even play at all and then decided to let him play. my guess is that something has to have happened that we are not privy to. on another note, i love the centennial but do not think we have a team that can go far in the tournament this year. that is not a popular view on this board but that is what i feel. we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on February 22, 2015, 10:45:54 AM
I am hoping Gburg can keep the train moving! They are playing very well right now, getting multiple scoring options, and playing great together. It is tough to beat a team in back to back games, but that is what must be done. I think if they can get by McD you just never know what could happen. They were up 17 on Hopkins at Goldfarb and left it slip away. But since that game they have really appeared to come together. Good luck to all teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on February 22, 2015, 12:27:04 PM
Maybe the Coach put him in the game in the 2nd half to score a FG for his 1900th point, after going 2-10 from the field, and thought that was a fitting moment and enough to end to his Career??    Maybe he felt it would be disrespectful to the young man if he inserted him late in the game as a "curtain call" after the last 4 years??   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 22, 2015, 07:55:43 PM
congrats to Hopkins...the best team in the conference this year. you are what your record is, and Hopkins went a very strong 16-2 in conference, tied with F&M in points scored, and they had the best defense with least points scored against them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 23, 2015, 12:53:05 PM
I said it in one of my early posts this year that I thought only 1 CC team would make the NCAA tournament and it most likely will come down to if JHU wins the conference tourny or not.  If they do, I dont believe CC will get another team, if not then CC will probably get 2 teams.  I think Dickinson/F&M are just okay  - no motivation for either team on Saturday, and personally, if I was playing in that game, knowing how tough it is to beat any team 3 times, let alone a rival, I am sure Dickinson wasn't too upset with the loss since they knew they were going to have to turn around and play F&M less than a week later.  Both games this year weren't that close, but I see Friday night being much more competitive on neutral court with each knowing their only chance of playing past CC tourny is winning it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 23, 2015, 02:35:50 PM
Scuttlebutt at the game was Killin missed practice on Friday for an academic related obligation.  Which is funny I thought that is why kids go to schools like those in the CC.  If true, a pathetic move by the coach and a major red flag for parents and recruits
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on February 23, 2015, 03:15:19 PM
very classy!   You have ALL the answers... No reason to be in Collegeville in a meaningless game unless you have a son on the team.  Hope it works out for you.   Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 23, 2015, 04:36:06 PM
Ticket policy for men's tournament this weekend:
The 22nd annual Centennial Conference men's basketball final four will be held on the campus of Johns Hopkins University on Friday and Saturday night. Due to an expected capacity crowd, the following ticket policies are in effect.

Each visiting team has been allocated 15% of the total seating capacity at Goldfarb Gym - or 150 tickets in a 1,000-seat arena. Check with your favorite team's athletic department to see if they have reserved tickets for sale on campus. This pre-sale runs until the end of business on Thursday.

Hopkins and the Conference will also put tickets on sale beginning Tuesday morning at 9 a.m. This is outside the 150-ticket allottment for each school. Call 410-516-7490 to purchase tickets.

Tickets will also be available at the door on Friday and Saturday night until capacity is reached.

Also tonight:
Join us tonight at 7 p.m. for our annual Centennial Conference basketball "Playoff Preview." We'll chat with some of our teams' announcers, including F&M's Brian Stabbe, Johns Hopkins' Tim McCarty, McDaniel's Doug Raftery, and Washington College's Conner Fleegle. We'll also be joined by Dave McHugh, the host of "Hoopsville" for a regional and national perspective. The link will go LIVE between 6:45-6:50 at www.centennial.org. We hope you will join us.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 23, 2015, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 23, 2015, 04:36:06 PM

Join us tonight at 7 p.m. for our annual Centennial Conference basketball "Playoff Preview." We'll chat with some of our teams' announcers, including F&M's Brian Stabbe, Johns Hopkins' Tim McCarty, McDaniel's Doug Raftery, and Washington College's Conner Fleegle. We'll also be joined by Dave McHugh, the host of "Hoopsville" for a regional and national perspective. The link will go LIVE between 6:45-6:50 at www.centennial.org. We hope you will join us.


Looking forward to the chat tonight. The last 2 years of it have been great!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2015, 07:45:06 PM
Killing played 14 minutes, jacked up 10 shots---made one.  Coach wanted to win the game.  Great talent but did not know how to use it. That is the story.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 24, 2015, 08:26:09 AM
https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=1flvp5514#/watch?v=xUp_ijcaXzQ

The replay of the Centennial Playoff Preview Chat from last night
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
Gabriel, why didn't Killing start?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2015, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on February 24, 2015, 08:26:09 AM
https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=1flvp5514#/watch?v=xUp_ijcaXzQ

The replay of the Centennial Playoff Preview Chat from last night

  can't find it on that link.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2015, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2015, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on February 24, 2015, 08:26:09 AM
https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=1flvp5514#/watch?v=xUp_ijcaXzQ

The replay of the Centennial Playoff Preview Chat from last night

  can't find it on that link.

Here's a good link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUp_ijcaXzQ
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 24, 2015, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
Gabriel, why didn't Killing start?

Reserved,

I have no idea.  Seemed strange in that this was his last game for the Mules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2015, 04:46:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2015, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2015, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on February 24, 2015, 08:26:09 AM
https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=1flvp5514#/watch?v=xUp_ijcaXzQ

The replay of the Centennial Playoff Preview Chat from last night

  can't find it on that link.

Pat,
thanks-got it.

Here's a good link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUp_ijcaXzQ
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 24, 2015, 10:49:02 PM
  It would take more than a game to drive to Collegeville in the snow to watch 2 also-rans play.  You be amazed at what you can learn using some new fangled contraptions called computers and an internet and friends.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2015, 11:00:15 AM
What game's in Collegeville?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2015, 08:53:39 PM

So, dinner plans got cancelled for Friday - looks like I'm headed to Hopkins.  Should be a great night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on February 25, 2015, 09:20:28 PM
Good ball over good grub every time Hoops Fan. Should be a great weekend.

Even better, I can catch the women's final on Saturday and still make the men's in plenty of time.

Looking forward to watching some really good ball.

BTW, first post here. Been watching for a few years. Loving DIII ball!





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2015, 12:52:08 AM
Welcome a-board... Team First!

Hoops Fan... enjoy!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 26, 2015, 09:21:02 AM
Get your ticket for Friday night.  Hoping for a large crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on February 26, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Reserved Seat, I noticed in the Landmark board you said that Hopkins, Dickinson, and F&M all play each other this weekend. I thought Gburg was making the trip to Goldfarb too, I suppose I was wrong:-) I never assume a win before it happens, you just never know. The Bullets were up 17 on JHU at their place before a comeback win. I am hoping Gburg can keep it rolling!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2015, 03:12:57 PM
Yes, Gettysburg is there, but someone was talking about the ranked teams.  They were concerned about Scranton moving up in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2015, 06:41:59 PM

Dickinson up 43-37 at the half.  Wixted had 18.  You have an experienced team and a young team and both are playing like it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 27, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
looks like wixted is took charge
no answer for him at f&m
4 years of solid play
dickinson is wixted plus role players
kudos to him
not sure if he can do it by himself against hopkins...should be fun
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2015, 10:41:56 PM
Wixted played a typical solid game for Dickinson.  He does seem to get away with a lot though.  Sometimes he looks like bull in a china shop and gets bailed out by the refs, and he doesn't foul shots.
If Wixted played like he did tonight, Dickinson should be able to beat Hopkins. F&M threw up a lot of shots and made few.  Federici continued to struggle on offense, but his potential still seem boundless.  The last few games defenses seemed to push him out beyond his comfort zone.
F&M had difficult getting the ball inside providing few opportunities for Lee and Moune.  Dickinson controlled the boards so there was little opportunity for put backs.   Eggers put back to back good games as he lead F&M in scoring with 16, helping to keep F&M in the game early.  Looks like F&M will have to start getting ready for next year, but only need to replace one key player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2015, 01:28:47 AM
Quote from: centfan on February 27, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
dickinson is wixted plus role players


I'm not so sure about that one.  I like Hinnenkamp a lot - he's got size, athleticism, and scoring ability.  He may not have to use it as much this year with Wixted around, but I think he'll do very well next season taking on more of a scoring role.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on February 28, 2015, 09:11:38 AM
No doubt that Wixted brought his A game last night. When he does Dickinson is very hard to beat.

Regarding role players, I think it's fair to say that the Dickinson players understand their roles very well and this also makes them hard to beat. And depending on what the defense is doing, the players seem to adjust their scoring roles.This has been evident throughout the season as Hinnenkamp, Angotti and Collins have all had big scoring games at different times this season.

Looking forward to a great game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 28, 2015, 11:24:59 AM
Well put.   8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 28, 2015, 02:16:17 PM
to be clear, calling someone a role player is not an insult. dickinson has thrived on role players and seretti's ability to recruit selfless players and teach them specifically how to fit into his system of basic basketball. it works very well. wixted is the only legitimate D3 star, in my opinion, over the last several years of their success. it was visible in his freshman year, similar to milligan when he started playing. they "make plays", which is different than being a good player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 28, 2015, 11:52:32 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 28, 2015, 02:16:17 PM
to be clear, calling someone a role player is not an insult. dickinson has thrived on role players and seretti's ability to recruit selfless players and teach them specifically how to fit into his system of basic basketball. it works very well. wixted is the only legitimate D3 star, in my opinion, over the last several years of their success. it was visible in his freshman year, similar to milligan when he started playing. they "make plays", which is different than being a good player.
I beg to differ, and that's okay.  Role players don't average double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on March 01, 2015, 01:11:35 AM
Plenty of players making plays in the conference final. Both Hopkins and Dickinson players played hard and played well in a championship worthy game.

Don't want to get caught up in the star verses role player discussion too much but it was evident to me that even a role guy like Chris Cox understood that his role in the final stretch was to be opportunistic and get to the rim which he did twice at key moments using his athleticism and fearlessness. And Hinnenkamp showed some crafty inside finishing moves in traffic when it counted. For Hopkins, Omar Randall who had made only 12 threes on the season, knocked down two big time threes in the second half to answer two from Dickinson players...because he was open, taking advantage of how the defense was playing him- heady and fearless as well.

I guess my point is that I agree that it's players that make the plays regardless of the system a team chooses to run. To my eye, Dickinson runs an offense suited to guys that enjoy playing the way they play. Being able to create a shot at the end of the shot clock is only one basketball skill  albeit a valuable one. But having guys who enjoy playing high percentage ball doesn't mean they couldn't score more points in another system and look like stars in the post game write-ups.

On to the NCAAs for two teams that earned it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 01, 2015, 11:37:06 AM
Amen.  By the way, kudos to Hopkins' Bill Nelson.  He is the epitome of good sportsmanship and professionalism, shaking hands with players pregame, etc.  He sets a great example for other coaches. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 01, 2015, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: givengo on March 01, 2015, 11:37:06 AM
Amen.  By the way, kudos to Hopkins' Bill Nelson.  He is the epitome of good sportsmanship and professionalism, shaking hands with players pregame, etc.  He sets a great example for other coaches.

I second that.  Happy for him that he brought the program back after several lean years.  I have talked to him several times after games and win or lose he is always gracious.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2015, 02:24:35 PM
Coach Nelson is a class act.  He always takes time to say hello when he sees me.  I'm sure he doesn't know my name, but he recognizes me as a loyal fan, even though it's for the enemy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 01, 2015, 10:29:44 PM
Best of luck to JHU and Dickinson to represent the CC well and advance to Sweet 16 and beyond next weekend.

I enjoyed watching my school (F&M), give me memories I couldn't have imagined before the season started. I expected if things went well for them to be in the CC playoff mix and hopefully make it to even the 4-5 play in game. However after the first weekend I texted my friend that you've got to see this freshman Federici, he has a great shot and quick release and lots of skills, plus the freshman PG looks good also.

Then season started rolling along and they kept winning and the young players kept getting better peaking with a surprising win over JHU and an emotional upending of Stockton. I knew the rigors of the CC double round robin would take a toll, with motivated well coached teams & road games and they did as part of a painful learning process. I certainly never saw them cracking the top 10 though briefly but it did happen.

The only minimal chance of further play is to be placed ahead of Catholic in the Regional rankings, but that is not what I expect. Thus to be on the table near the end of the process is possible, but Dip teams have only gotten an at large bid once in the last 15 or so years since the current approach to select has been used. Most people thought the 2008-9 Dip team would not get that at large bid, but when they did the the result was purely magical. If Federici is analogous to Milligan he lacks the McNally, Baker, Scovill & Brooks to make a run as deep as that one. But being left on the table if they even get there is much more likely. 

It was fun while it lasted. They need a McNally like player recruited to make this team dangerous next year if all are healthy and come back.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 02, 2015, 12:00:02 AM
congrats to Dickinson and JHU on their seasons and NCAA tournament bids!
good luck to both Centennial Conference teams
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2015, 12:51:57 PM


Rough, rough draw for Dickinson.  Albertus Magnus may not beat Springfield, but if they do that team is perfectly constructed to beat Dickinson.  They've got a shot-blocking center who's also more than athletic enough to guard Wixted - they might be the two best big men in this part of the country.  They go very up-tempo.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on March 04, 2015, 10:43:07 PM
All Conference Team annoucements seem to have hit it right. Though interesting that 1900 scorer Mallick Killing despite an inconsistant sr season received no  " love"  at all.  Congrats to all. Hopefully Dickenson and Hopkins will have a good run representing the conference in tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on March 05, 2015, 02:45:19 PM
Interesting indeed!  Tough for anyone to explain how Killin an all conference pick for past 3 years was blanked.  Inconsistent?  Finished with 15.8ppg 3.2 apg shooting 41% from the field.  Not far off Ferderici's 19.3, 2,5, and 43%.  And Killin didn't have Moune, Lee and others.

In the end it appears he was treated poorly by his coach and the conference he gave 4 years worth of high level ball.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 05, 2015, 08:34:06 PM
the all conference selections seem pretty good. i agree with hoopdog, and i believe that killing not appearing is based on bias. i don't know what happened with him and his coach, or if it is anything unusual, but it makes no sense that he did not appear in the all conference selections at all. like it or not, he was one of the better players in the conference for four years, despite some degree of unpopularity. omitting him totally seems excessive and about other things than basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 06, 2015, 11:02:51 PM
Good start for Dickinson and John Hopkins as their stars score big.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on March 07, 2015, 01:46:11 PM
I was not impressed with Albertus Magnus.  Athletic and rebounded the ball well both offensively/defensively, but other than that they were not impressive.  Poor shooting would be an understatement; free throws and beyond the 3 point line was awful.  Some of the misses were not even close and straight bricks or air balls.  If I was Springfield, who closed the gap to maybe 7 or 8 at one point, I would have started fouling AM with about 4 or 5 minutes left and made them shoot FT's rather than allowing them to drain the clock, take a shot and then have a good shot at an offensive rebound b/c of how bad the misses were coming off the hoop or glass.  If Dickinson is able to put a body on guys, block them out, finish their D with good rebounding, I believe that they will be able to score the ball on offense.  AM didn't really force too many TOs from Springfield (I believe only 3 steals?) and the way Dickinson can swing and move the ball, if they get AM scrambling on D, they should be able to get open looks and driving lanes.  The thing that makes it nice is that IF Dickinson does get down late, depending by how much, based on AM's FT performance last night, the game is not going to be over.  They should be able to put them at the line and maybe exchange 2/3 points for the 0/1 they are getting at the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2015, 02:55:26 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on March 07, 2015, 01:46:11 PM
I was not impressed with Albertus Magnus.  Athletic and rebounded the ball well both offensively/defensively, but other than that they were not impressive.  Poor shooting would be an understatement; free throws and beyond the 3 point line was awful.  Some of the misses were not even close and straight bricks or air balls.  If I was Springfield, who closed the gap to maybe 7 or 8 at one point, I would have started fouling AM with about 4 or 5 minutes left and made them shoot FT's rather than allowing them to drain the clock, take a shot and then have a good shot at an offensive rebound b/c of how bad the misses were coming off the hoop or glass.  If Dickinson is able to put a body on guys, block them out, finish their D with good rebounding, I believe that they will be able to score the ball on offense.  AM didn't really force too many TOs from Springfield (I believe only 3 steals?) and the way Dickinson can swing and move the ball, if they get AM scrambling on D, they should be able to get open looks and driving lanes.  The thing that makes it nice is that IF Dickinson does get down late, depending by how much, based on AM's FT performance last night, the game is not going to be over.  They should be able to put them at the line and maybe exchange 2/3 points for the 0/1 they are getting at the line.

I suspect Albertus will come out with a different style completely tonight.  They're not going to have a size advantage at any position - they're likely going to try and force a quicker pace and try to get Dickinson to make mistakes.  They are missing their best shooter (I think he was dismissed from the team a few weeks ago), which could change things up.  Smart fouling could really work - no doubt Seretti will have a smart game plan in place.

Honestly, the winner of tonight's game is my favorite to make Salem.  Macon and Va Wesleyan are good teams, not great.  They're both more consistent than either Dickinson or Albertus, but they don't have the same ability to step up in clutch situations.  I think whatever it takes to win tonight will carry over to next weekend.

But then again, I'm almost always wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: falcons2010 on March 07, 2015, 09:13:36 PM
Great game. Heartbreaking finish for me as an Albertus fan. But, very good game, great in game adjustments by both coaches. Came down to the end. Congrats to Dickinson College, their players, coaches, and supporters. Best of luck in the round of 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2015, 10:32:56 PM
Both CC teams continue on with close victories.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 08, 2015, 03:37:21 AM
Crazy immediate post game in Carlisle as Albertus Magnus' Tavon Sledge bashes his fist into, onto or against, a trophy case or something that was breakable, and in doing so seriously injured himself.  A rescue crew treated him and escorted him to an ambulance. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 09, 2015, 09:34:31 AM
Does anyone know when was the last time two Centennial teams made the sweet 16?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 09, 2015, 09:51:45 AM
Quote from: givengo on March 09, 2015, 09:34:31 AM
Does anyone know when was the last time two Centennial teams made the sweet 16?

The last time was 2008, when Gettysburg and Ursinus played each other in the Sweet 16 in Collegeville. The Bears beat the Bullets for the fourth time that year.

Great to see Hopkins and Dickinson advance to sectional weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on March 09, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
I don't know anyone personally on this board but I am an Albertus supporter and I was at Dickinson this past weekend for the games.

Hats off to the University and Athletic Department at Dickinson College.......really first class stuff!! You guys were a terrific host. Just a tremendous atmosphere and you have some really well educated fans and supporters. I can honestly say that I have been fortunate enough to make a few post season trips with the Falcons over the last 4 years and you guys were hands down the best!

Dickinson is an outstanding team and I sincerely hope they go deeper into the tournament. Wixted is an All-American all the way. Those two 3 pointers he hit late in the game are exactly what you want your All-American to do and likewise with our All-American in Vic L with his baby hook to tie the game up. Just a great battle between two really really good coaches and teams.

Even though my squad came out on the losing end this was one of those games you can look back at and say both teams left everything on the court and unfortunately there could be only 1 winner.

Good luck the rest of the way Dickinson......You guys deserve it! 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ferraro13 on March 09, 2015, 07:18:17 PM
Hoop guru, you are right, are shooting was terrible this past weekend. The sad part is that this wasn't the case Until weost our two best shooters, the second semester, one a starter. They were so key to our success, making it almost impossible to have any one game an defensively bc of how they stretched the floor with their shooting. It's unfortunate. However, Albertus still almost managed to move on. Dickinson made the big shots, those two threes from wixsted were as good as it gets, and they move on bc of it. Hope they continue a deep run
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ferraro13 on March 09, 2015, 07:18:41 PM
Our*
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ferraro13 on March 09, 2015, 07:19:41 PM
Holy typo, sorry stupid iPhone. Wasn't the case until our two best shooters were dismissed the second semester *
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 09, 2015, 08:13:30 PM
Thank you D3 Hoop Junkie for your kind words.  I think I speak for many when I say the Centennial conference overall prides itself on good sportsmanship. 
Glad you enjoyed the atmosphere and fan support in Carlisle which was tremendous during the first weekend of spring break when many students were elsewhere.  Coach Seretti gets the credit for bringing in the fans.  He's worked hard to involve his team in the community, sending his players to interact and read to elementary students, and inviting local youth teams to games.  Receiving the honor of hosting the first round of the tournament is not lost on them.  Success begets success.
Glad you felt so welcomed.  You are a fan of a great team and a worthy opponent. The Dickinson boys acknowledged that in post game interviews on D3 Hoops and elsewhere.   So, how is Tavon Sledge?  Is there an update on his condition after his imjury?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on March 09, 2015, 08:33:46 PM
Givengo - I don't have any direct ties to the team. Just a passionate fan who enjoys college hoops and since this program turned around under Coach Oliver's leadership it's very easy and convenient to get to home games which is why a became a fan of the program in the first place. I heard he did a pretty good number on his arm but as of right now I personally don't have any specific details. If I do hear anything I will be sure to update on this thread.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: falcons2010 on March 09, 2015, 09:34:51 PM
Givengo, Students are on spring break this week; therefore Sledge has not been seen as of yet. We hope that no one else was injured in the unfortunate incident.

I must say, the commentators for the Dickinson team were classy. They were a little bias, as we all would be, however, they did a professional job. They added to the experience. I really enjoyed listening to them throughout the 3 games. I must say, with about 17 minutes in the first half, they were already talking about the Cox/Sledge reunion that would take place the next evening during the Regis game. I thought that was funny, because every Albertus fan was rooting for Regis to pull off the upset (for obvious reasons), but again, it was excellent work by them. God bless you guys also.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: lildave678 on March 10, 2015, 08:51:57 AM
Obviously a lot of times its difficult to cheer for the team that ousts your team in whatever circumstance it may be, high school/college/professional/etc but I find Dickinson easy to root for and I'll be following them the rest of the way like the rest of my Falcons fans. As I said over on the GNAC board the interviews with both Coach Seretti and Wixted were great. Both were well spoken and thoughtful. I imagine it would have been much of the same with whoever they interviewed. I couldn't make the 4+ hour trip but from what D3 has said about the atmosphere and hospitality, it makes it that much easier to hope you guys make a run! Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 11, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
I almost always root for the team that ousts my team, because the further they go proves a good team beat my team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 11, 2015, 12:27:44 PM
Super group of hoop fans posting.  Personally I'm itching for basketball and wish it was Friday.  I'm hoping the game will be streamed, but see no signs yet on  the VWC, RMC or Dickinson websites.  Hopkins already has a link for their game, so does anyone know? BTW there is a time change--with Va Wesleyan -Dickinson starting at 5pm and not 5:30 as previously stated.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2015, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: givengo on March 11, 2015, 12:27:44 PM
Super group of hoop fans posting.  Personally I'm itching for basketball and wish it was Friday.  I'm hoping the game will be streamed, but see no signs yet on  the VWC, RMC or Dickinson websites.  Hopkins already has a link for their game, so does anyone know? BTW there is a time change--with Va Wesleyan -Dickinson starting at 5pm and not 5:30 as previously stated.

Games at Randolph-Macon will be streamed, definitely.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2015, 03:14:32 PM
The games will be streamed and links set up appropriately... we are just working on some behind the scenes stuff that is delaying the publishing of those links.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 11, 2015, 04:26:57 PM
Super news--Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on March 11, 2015, 11:28:33 PM
Givengo

You are right.  What a huge difference a coach who is only only a coach but mentor and community leader can make to a player, team, school. community and beyond.  There are many who go through the motions and have an over-inflated opinion of their abilities and impact.  The Centennial Conference has its share of these guys.  Guys like Seretti, Robinson and Nelson are true  leaders.  The opposites are self evident and their programs show it
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on March 13, 2015, 07:34:28 AM
Can't wait for 5:00 to watch what should be a great game between Dickinson and Virginia Wesleyan. I have no doubt that both teams will be prepared. I can't see Wesleyan slowing the game down so for those who love offense we should get quite a performance from both teams. Will probably come down to who can get a couple of stops down the stretch and who can make their FTs. Macon is a great venue and the house should be full so here we go!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 13, 2015, 05:19:14 PM
Clicked on the link for Dickinson game and get the results for a baseball game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 13, 2015, 06:53:33 PM
Great season for Dickinson.  Unfortunate game for Angradi  0 for 8.  Probably his lowest scoring game of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on March 13, 2015, 11:05:21 PM
Agreed. Great season for Dickinson.

Tough road to the final four. Would have needed victories over #7, #9 and #1. The Red Devils battled but every run was answered by a very confident VWC squad which played a great game. Both teams were well prepared and executed on defense. VWC made shots and I don't think you can say the same for Dickinson. I expected an up and down game but it turned out to be a half court game with VWC neutralizing Dickinson's height advantage with good ball movement and solid (mostly timely) shooting against Dickinson's zones and just good physical play keeping Dickinson's bigs away from the paint and limiting offensive rebounds, most of which were just hustle plays that didn't convert to stick backs.

It was a good year for the Centennial which seems to be on the rise.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2015, 07:03:19 PM
Hopkins had the game within their grasp, but come up empty in the second half.  Only 17 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2015, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 14, 2015, 07:03:19 PM
Hopkins had the game within their grasp, but come up empty in the second half.  Only 17 points.

Same with Scranton a week earlier - 8 points in 18 mins, 2nd part of 1st half & 1st part of 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 15, 2015, 05:42:43 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned this, as of yet: http://www.hopkinssports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031415aab.html (http://www.hopkinssports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031415aab.html)

That is a really big award in Division III... hat's off. He had a pretty stellar resume.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 15, 2015, 05:42:43 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned this, as of yet: http://www.hopkinssports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031415aab.html (http://www.hopkinssports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031415aab.html)

That is a really big award in Division III... hat's off. He had a pretty stellar resume.

Uhh yeah -- I'm surprised there wasn't an embargo on that news!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 16, 2015, 11:44:08 AM
D3hoops.com All-Mid-Atlantic Region team:

Player of the Year: Gerry Wixted
Coach of the Year: Bill Nelson
Rookie of the Year: Brandon Federici

The rest of the team: http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2014-15/index (http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2014-15/index)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on March 16, 2015, 07:47:53 PM
Congrats to George.  A very impressive award and accomplishment for a very good player.  Not to rain on the parade but write up on D3 Hoops site has inaccurate info on his accomplishments this year -- ie he did not lead league in scoring and some other inaccurate facts.... but regardless does not take away from well earned accomplishment.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2015, 08:43:21 PM
We just re-ran the official Jostens news release ... but after the Final Four, will have time to look into it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 18, 2015, 12:57:39 PM
Congratulations to Steve Donahue (Ursinus '84) on being named HBC at the University of Pennsylvania.  Previously he was an assistant at Penn followed by 10 years as HBC at Cornell and then 4 years as HBC at Boston College.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 21, 2015, 06:27:56 PM
Congratulations to Wixted--national POY
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 21, 2015, 06:28:53 PM
Second time recently that the CC has had the National POY
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 22, 2015, 01:03:24 PM
Yes a well deserved honor for Wixted And Dickinson. I was somewhat disappointed that Federici didn't get recognized as national rookie of the year. I'm sure the other fellow was I fine young point guard but I hard pressed to think that he is comparable to federici. Winner had nice stats and his team got a chance for ncaa play which dips were not able to but if is like rewarding stats from the Colorado rockies as they were a much higher scoring team. Federici often had to put up despiration shots while being triple teamed, he was go to guy all the opponents geared to stop. The leading freshman scorer all divisions. Got many rebounds and assists for a guard. Near top of CC in steals and blocks. I'll note winner had notably less blocks than similarly sized of reserve Jared Wright had.
Just my 2 cents but it seems a possible overlooked amazing season.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2015, 03:58:32 PM
They were both really good and in the end, they were the only two of the eight regional rookies of the year who received strong consideration. Either one would have been a great pick.

NCAA Tournament stats were not considered. I don't think we would make a decision based on .9 blocks per game, for what it's worth. Here's where each stood at the end of the regular season -- both of them had great seasons.

institutionnomineemin/gfg/gpct3pt/gpctft/gpctppgoff/gdef/greb/gpf/gast/gto/ga/tostl/gblk/g
Franklin & MarshallBrandon Federici33.16.2-14.5432.5-6.339.34.4-5.285.119.30.72.53.31.92.51.71.51.30.9
Ohio WesleyanNate Axelrod32.45.0-9.950.41.9-3.947.64.4-5.284.416.30.41.82.32.561.73.51.40
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2015, 03:59:55 PM
He certainly was in the conversation, but just so you know... Chancie Williams of Pine Manor had 19.7 ppg as a Division III freshman and DeAngelo Russell of Ohio State had 19.3 ppg as a DI freshman... Federici finished with 19.3 - so he wasn't the top freshman in all three divisions - unfortunately, not even in Division III.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 22, 2015, 04:44:44 PM
The Centennial should be bustin' it's collective buttons right now. Three ranked teams this season; two Sweet Sixteen Teams in Dickinson and Hopkins. Along with that, our players received the two most coveted national awards in D3 Hoops.  Gerry Wixted as National Player of the year, and George Bugarinovic receiving the Josten's trophy.  It's incredible and wonderful--and says a whole heck of a lot about not only the quality, but the character of the players in our conference.   The guys who deserved it got it. And BOTH of those guys are stellar off the court, in the classroom, and the community at large.
Congrats to Coach Nelson and his team,  Big Congrats to the Dickinson Red Devils and coaches on their second Conference championship in three years and on their third consecutive trip to the NCAA tournament. Both teams have a lot to look forward to in the '15-16 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 22, 2015, 08:38:05 PM

I was a big early supporter of Federici as ROY, but after getting to see him play in person a couple times, he definitely has some real weak spots.  I'm sure he'll continue to work on them and improve - there's so much potential there and he's a really mature kid to begin with.

His defense and positioning were a bit spotty at points (typical of a freshman) - he also seemed to shy away from being aggressive on offense.  He relied on shooting a bit too much this year.

Again, he's probably the #2 freshman in the country, but Axelrod certainly showed a little more completeness in his play.

It will be interesting to see who's on top in four years, as I suspect both of them will be on All-American teams in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 24, 2015, 10:12:07 PM
Hey Reserved Seat and Gabriel! Just wanted to drop in, say hi, and thank you for being kind to a former Swarthmore player! Last night's Philly Hall of Fame induction was full of class from everyone there! Heard it was great and that everyone had a great night. Cheers!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 25, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
Swat Fan #1, hopefully, you'll be at more games next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on March 26, 2015, 04:19:42 PM
Surprised there hasn't been any chatting about this:

http://www.washingtoncollegesports.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150325qlvy4h
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on March 26, 2015, 07:21:10 PM
Thats a wow. Though cellar dwellers more recently, Shoreman always seemed to play hard and compete, reflective of coach nugent influence. The movie made about the shoreman of just a few years ago gave  incite to his passion to make his players better.  Not sure of any inside story, but surprised the change despite the mediocre recent record. Unless there is another story, good for the conference that  the AD wants to improve the program. Swathmore made the difficult change a few years ago and have improved each year.  The better the bottom gets, the better the conference gets.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 27, 2015, 09:45:34 AM
Just reviewed the championship/POY results of the ten schools in the CC from beginning in 1994 through 2015 and thought I would share it with you.  Just one way to look at the programs.  Of course, this says nothing about overall records and intangible results.

                  Championships                                                        Player of the Year
F&M                      7                                                                               9
Ursinus                 4                                                                               7
Dickinson              3                                                                               2
Gettysburg           3                                                                               1
JHU                       3                                                                               3
Muhlenberg          2                                                                               1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 27, 2015, 09:50:35 AM
Swat Fan #1

I miss your thoughtful posts.  Hope Will is doing well----and you too.  Come back and join us next year as I think Swat and Ursinus will be factors next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on April 10, 2015, 12:41:14 PM
Lauren Hill died today.  She was just a baby who set a remarkable example for all of us grown ups on how to shoulder our burdens, push on and relish each day.  God bless her and her family.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 11, 2015, 10:26:34 PM
Being both a father and a human being, my heart breaks for Lauren and her family. My eyes fill as I think of her passion for life and a game that meant so much. Above all of the wins/losses etc-. this game can brings those far and near close to experience all types of things. Thank you Lauren.

CC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 11, 2015, 10:39:24 PM
Has anyone heard of candidates for the Washington College job? Any head coaches or local assistants ready to make the jump to Chestertown? This program needs a young energetic coach who has experience living on the recruiting trail. There is a long way to climb from the bottom of the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on April 15, 2015, 06:45:42 PM
This decision disappoints me.  I felt Coach Nugent was a top of the mark x's and o's guy who got the most out of every team I saw him put on the floor.  He fought (and whoever comes in will fight) location, location, location.  Hard to imagine  that many high level D3 prospects have Chestertown on their radar in the first go round.   As the Centennial gains strength and national recognition, in the short term the challenge to WC's program remains.   In the long run recruiting would have come around on the growing strength of the conference with a veteran coach at the helm.  I'd love to see the program become more competitive, but I also felt it was already in the best hands to do so. 
BTW, I love Chestertown, and don't want to give the impression that it isn't lovely and a great place to attend school.  I'm  a parent who has watched three youngsters choose their academic paths so I've been down that road.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 16, 2015, 08:30:19 AM
Quote from: givengo on April 15, 2015, 06:45:42 PM
This decision disappoints me.  I felt Coach Nugent was a top of the mark x's and o's guy who got the most out of every team I saw him put on the floor.  He fought (and whoever comes in will fight) location, location, location.  Hard to imagine  that many high level D3 prospects have Chestertown on their radar in the first go round.   As the Centennial gains strength and national recognition, in the short term the challenge to WC's program remains.   In the long run recruiting would have come around on the growing strength of the conference with a veteran coach at the helm.  I'd love to see the program become more competitive, but I also felt it was already in the best hands to do so. 
BTW, I love Chestertown, and don't want to give the impression that it isn't lovely and a great place to attend school.  I'm  a parent who has watched three youngsters choose their academic paths so I've been down that road.

I love Chestertown, too - great little town.  It would be a cool place to go to school.  For me, it had to be an on the floor issue.  Nugent had his guys playing hard - he got the most out of them, but the in-game stuff was sometimes shaky.  You're closer to things than I am - I got the impression there was some non-team-related stuff that was part of this.  Maybe that's not true?  I don't know.

I do think they should be able to get a pretty good coach out of this.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Tiger4life on April 23, 2015, 06:02:43 PM
has anyone heard about the Dickinson coach possibly leaving?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2015, 06:43:43 AM
Quote from: Tiger4life on April 23, 2015, 06:02:43 PM
has anyone heard about the Dickinson coach possibly leaving?

I haven't, but I imagine he'd have some options if he were ready to go.  He's shown recruiting prowess and a pretty skillful in game strategy that could translate well to different situations.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on May 22, 2015, 03:01:34 PM
Seretti is staying put.  RMC reached out to him and he gave it due diligence, but life is looking good in Carlisle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on June 16, 2015, 12:48:21 AM

Folks -

It's been quite awhile since I last posted. However, a recent editorial in a local newspaper caught my eye. It is interesting reading. A link to the commentary follows below:

http://www.dailylocal.com/sports/20150609/commentary-lauren-hill-snubbed-by-a-publicity-stunt?source=topstoriesrot (http://www.dailylocal.com/sports/20150609/commentary-lauren-hill-snubbed-by-a-publicity-stunt?source=topstoriesrot)

I couldn't agree more with the writer's sentiments! Responses encouraged.

Only five more months until the season begins! Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on June 16, 2015, 12:25:02 PM
Jenner should have declined the honor so it could be opened up to someone more deserving and less tabloid/dollar oriented. He should never have been a front runner for this award--sorry.   Man or woman--he made choices that he visited on a healthy body.  Lauren Hill and others did not have that gift of choice  --beyond the one to give up or persevere in the face of death. 
Lauren did what she knew best when the times got tough--continue to play.  Those of us who live the basketball life, whose children have played their entire lives know it may be the one constant when everything else falls apart.  It's them, a ball and a hoop, and that just might be the best yardstick to measure by. If you can still dribble and lay the ball in, or shoot a foul shot--it's a great day for someone going through what Lauren endured. 
I think of her and her parents every day.  They fought the good fight.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on June 16, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Quote from: givengo on June 16, 2015, 12:25:02 PM
Jenner should have declined the honor so it could be opened up to someone more deserving and less tabloid/dollar oriented. He should never have been a front runner for this award--sorry.   Man or woman--he made choices that he visited on a healthy body.  Lauren Hill and others did not have that gift of choice  --beyond the one to give up or persevere in the face of death. 
Lauren did what she knew best when the times got tough--continue to play.  Those of us who live the basketball life, whose children have played their entire lives know it may be the one constant when everything else falls apart.  It's them, a ball and a hoop, and that just might be the best yardstick to measure by. If you can still dribble and lay the ball in, or shoot a foul shot--it's a great day for someone going through what Lauren endured. 
I think of her and her parents every day.  They fought the good fight.

Well said
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 16, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
Yep, totally agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on June 28, 2015, 07:34:20 PM
Totally agree with the comments...shame on ESPN...but bet they will get the ratings which is all they care in reality about.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 17, 2015, 11:09:02 AM
Ursinus Bears are in Europe.  Visited Iceland and the Netherlands.  Believe they are in Belgium now and then on to Paris.  Scheduled to play about four games, I think.  Return home next weekend. Sounds like a great trip.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on August 22, 2015, 01:47:15 PM
F&M's schedule was posted recently.

Dips have E-town and possibly Oneonta State in a tip off event. Also, New Jersey City and maybe Messiah on the road in Messiah event. Other non conference games are at Albright and at Carnegie Mellon of the UAA. Plus perennially strong team Misericordia team at home. Dips could once again have a notable challenge against Dickinson and JHU because of both their depth and size advantages unless some additional height and physical defenders appear to supplement what the Dips have coming back. Plus Muhlenberg, Gettysburg and others are talented and tough especially on the road in the CC. Dips seem not to have the confining 2 home tournaments this year. If schedule stays as is they will they will have more road games than home ones.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 25, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
The Ursinus schedule is posted.  Bears open at the Scranton tip off playing Stevens Tech and then either Scranton or Bryn Athyn.  After three conference games in December they play D1 University of Pennsylvania at the Palestra in Philly.  Other non conference games are against Rosemont, Williams and TBD at the Catholic Holiday tournament followed by an early January game at Eastern.

Steve Donahue, Penn's coach, is an Ursinus alum.  Hope the Bears give them a game so it's fun for the kids.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: P'bearfan on September 07, 2015, 11:09:25 AM
QuoteSwat Fan #1

I miss your thoughtful posts.  Hope Will is doing well----and you too.  Come back and join us next year as I think Swat and Ursinus will be factors next year.

I typically post on the NESCAC board but wanted to post a brief comment here.  Swarthmore has a FY PG from the Marist School in Atlanta, Cameron Wiley.  I've seen him play extensively and will be interested to see what type of impact he makes.  Suspect he will be one of the best athletes and shooters in the conference.  I'm also curious to see if all of Swarthmore's pieces will fit together and gel.

Good luck to the Garnet and HBC Kosmalski....a class act who is moving the program forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 20, 2015, 06:49:15 PM
F&M couldn't line up enough teams for their Sponaugle Tournament, so they elected to play in Messiah's tournament.  F&M opens the season with back-to-back weekend tournaments.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on October 22, 2015, 02:21:17 PM
Getting excited for the season to start guys??? I know I am! Look forward to chatting about hoops with you all again in 2015/2016.

Here's a question to get the convo going....preseason Top 25 is out, F&M is 19th, Dickinson 21st, JHU is the third highest team receiving votes. Thoughts? The Red Devils graduated a lot, so I think that ranking will be tested. F&M on the other hand only loses Morgan Lee from a team that was very solid last year, and they've got the preseason All-American in Brandon Federici too. Are they too low? Too high? Just right? Obviously preseason polls don't mean a whole heck of a lot, but.....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2015, 03:41:31 PM

Dickinson will have to figure out rebounding and post defense, but I think they'll be ok putting points on the board.

F&M brings most everybody back, which is good, not sure how good they really were last year, which gives pause.  Is this the team that started to well or the one that struggled to the finish?  Also curious to see who named Federici a preseason AA?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 22, 2015, 09:16:12 PM
http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151022ghyrl7
http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151021lig918

Two sites picked Federici--puts a lot of pressure on the young man--will have to figure out how to overcome being the focal point for many teams--tired down the stretch but he now knows how a season plays out.
Two sites have F&M 7th or 9th--seems high--hear the 2 recruited freshmen have potential--need more help inside from Owana or Levy

F&M will definitely be wearing a target.

JHU and Dickinson both lost several key players, but still have lots of talent.  No word on their freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 23, 2015, 07:25:34 AM

Federici is a really impressive kid.  I'd want to see how he's improved his game over the summer before I made the AA call, but he should certainly be considered by anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on October 23, 2015, 12:51:19 PM
Really surprised at not seeing Johns Hopkins in the conversation.  They have a lot in their arsenal and gave Dickinson a much better game in the CC championship tournament than did F & M in the semi's.  Federici faded in the post season, or at the least was countered most effectively. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 23, 2015, 04:08:10 PM
I too am surprised not to see Hopkins mentioned as they return most key players other than Hammer and could well be the best team in the conference.  Dickinson reloaded and did get a top recruit in Jule Brown, 6'6" G/F from Lower Merion who was recruited by and  verbally committed to Penn at one point.  Apparently that fell through. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
Well... let's be honest about Hopkins... they lost Jimmy Hammer who provided 15.5 ppg, 2.5 apg, 3.3 rpg, and shot .406 from outside. They also lost George Bugarinovic (Jostens Trophy winner) who totlaed 13.6 ppg, 7.4 rpg, while shooting .545 from the field. Ryan Curran is the only double-digit scoring threat returning. Nothing against Hopkins, who I do think will still be a very good team, but when you lose the guy who not only could score, but could distribute and kept defenses from sagging because they had to respect his shooting ability (Hammer) along with a massive inside threat that would burn you if you over committed to outside defense especially rebounding (Bugarinovic) and both of those guys were the main catalyst to last year's incredible run... talk is going to be a bit down.

Again, I think Hopkins is going to be a very good team, but I am also going to wait to see how they replace Hammer and Bugarinovic first.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on October 26, 2015, 09:59:04 AM
One question is whether the pecking order in the league will change.  Despite all the usual preseason talk about parity, in the past 5 years the conference has pretty consistently been 3 tiers: Tier 1 (Dickinson, F&M, Hopkins) compete for the championship and NCAAs; Tier 2 (Gettysburg, McDaniel, Muhlenberg) compete for the 4 & 5 spot in the playoffs; Tier 3 (remainder) looking pull an occasional upset, especially at home, but thats about it.  Curious to hear if anyone thinks the deck gets reshuffled at all this year.  From the comments it doesn't look like any one thinks one of the big 3 is going to fall back.  I know Swat and Ursinus are rebuilding and have been a tougher out than previous -- but it is a big step from playing teams tough to actually  beating them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on October 27, 2015, 12:45:40 PM
Mules will be better.  Addition by subtraction.   They also got a legit 4 that transferred in.   Big, strong kid who may help a lot.   They are strong at the guard position with 3-4 kids fighting for 3 starting spots.   They could go 6'4" across with the 3 guards.  Time will tell. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on November 13, 2015, 09:06:48 AM
The voters have spoken and the preseason picks are in. They look pretty good but here's mine. Shoot at em.

1. Hopkins -- Very impressed by them all last season. In last year's final, Dickinson got big games from its stars, held Hammer and Bugarinovic in  check -- and still had to hang on. Hopkins was a missed shot at the buzzer away from OT. Ryan Curran will be a star.  They have length, shooting and they come at you in waves. They dont have defensive breakdowns and dont beat themselves.  They also have extensive playoff and NCAA tournament experience, which you cannot quantify but is real.  They will host again.

2. F&M -- The obvious pick since they lost the least to graduation of the top 3 teams.  They have no glaring weaknesses, but the second half of last season showed that their offense can struggle when Federici is guarded tight, and everybody knows his number now.  Still, they have size, athleticism and shooters.  They are hungry -- it is getting to be a long time between titles in Lancaster. This is the first F&M team in how long with no players that have played in the NCAA tournament.  They will be right there.

3. Dickinson -- Was all set to demote the Devils given the players that have graduated but cant quite do it.  They still have weapons -- Angradi (streaky but when he's hot,wow), and by the end of the season Hinnenkamp had become a total matchup nightmare. Ask Albertus Magnus. He will be POY if he plays a season like that.  Their young players did well in limited action last year and they have recruited well. But they are young, vulnerable in the low post and their out of conference schedule is brutal. That spells a 3 or 4 seed.

4. McDaniel -- A bit challenged in the shooting department but another squad that comes at you in waves.  Stewart is another POY candidate. He is  a horse for them night in and night out.  They are the best defenders in the conference -- but given their offense and free throw shooting, they need to be.  But they are in most games, and seem to get stronger down the stretch. 

5. Gettysburg -- Solid sound and tough.  Another team that wears out defenses and never beats itself. You wonder if the shorter shot clock will hurt them, given that their usual approach is to slow the game and win 52-48.  My guess is that it will, but they will adjust.  Gladstone is another POY possibility. He is relentless.  If only the conference were weaker... but this year is going to be nasty. Also the Bullets always seem to get hit with injury issues.  Dont know why that is.

6. Muhlenberg -- Dark horse candidate.  Last year had a sometimes explosive offense, but the defense ... the less said the better.  That said, there is a "turn the page" air in Allentown and they certainly have guys who can fill it up.  Their big man is maturing nicely and if they can keep opponents under 70,  they will be fine -- but that will be hard against the better teams.

7. Swarthmore -- They are talking seriously about making the playoffs, and no one is laughing.  Coach has them playing with a ferocity that has not been a Garnet trademark.  Couple times last year they almost overdid it.  They will be a tough out, especially at home -- but it is a big step from "coming close" to "winning the game."  A tough out is still an out.  But they will still be in the discussion come February.

8-10.  Ursinus, Haverford and Wash. Coll. all look to be in rebuilding mode.  If they prove me wrong, good for them.


Should add that these are regular season/playoff seed picks. Have to get back to you in February re the playoffs. Hosting the playoffs has been  a poisoned chalice lately, as the host team has not won the conference tournament in the last 3 years.  No shock if it happens again.  Last year the conference had its strongest season overall in a decade.  3 nationally ranked teams.  Expect that to continue.  Dont want to jinx it, but would not be shocked if the Conf. gets  3 teams in the dance. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 13, 2015, 10:03:19 AM
Dickinson landed one of the best recruits in D-III in Jule Brown, who was once committed to Penn. Sounds like he could have the kind of impact on this league that Milligan and Federici did as freshmen. If he's as good as advertised, the Devils are my pick to win the conference.

I'd go with JHU as a close second, and F&M third. The Dips have very little production in the paint other than Cedric Moune, and I think that will really hurt them despite the fact that they return so many players. Levy and Owona have not panned out the way many expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 13, 2015, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 23, 2015, 04:08:10 PM
I too am surprised not to see Hopkins mentioned as they return most key players other than Hammer and could well be the best team in the conference.  Dickinson reloaded and did get a top recruit in Jule Brown, 6'6" G/F from Lower Merion who was recruited by and  verbally committed to Penn at one point.  Apparently that fell through.

RW,

Obviously I agree with you.  His HS coach said that as a Centennial Conference coach, Jule will be your biggest coup or your worst nightmare.  Apparently  he projects as being that good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 13, 2015, 12:40:22 PM
Until F&M proves they have more post play, they will struggle.  Morgan Lee is going to be missed for his physical play.  Devin Figuero will also be missed as a solid back up at guard.  Terrel Phelps should help but he has to regain his edge after being off for a year.  Hunter Eggers was coming on at the end of the year and should be a solid player this year.  Moune and Federici are the foundation for F&M's play, but someone will have to step up in the post.  Tate and Wright provide adequate point guard play.  Not expecting much from the freshmen, but maybe one will provide some key minutes.  As of now I still look at JHU and Dickinson being huge hurdles for the other teams.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on November 13, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
Glad to see signs of life on the board!   
So what does the general populace think of these little blurbs being dribbled out by the Centennial on You tube in lieu of  the Conference video tip off event?  I'm still holding out hope that we will see something more substantive, and maybe it's just a lead up to the real deal? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on November 13, 2015, 04:57:22 PM
Re Dickinson:  Take a wait and see approach to freshman phenoms.   We've all seen can't miss prospects...that missed.  And even high flying frosh will typically slow down in February as the bigger opponents, longer games and season take a toll.   Its a big adjustment from high school.

Re F&M: The poormouthing of their chances is over the top.  Cedric Moune is not James McNally, or even Jon Salandra.  So what?  He is still better than most anyone else playing the 5.  Other than Hopkins, who has a front court that can match F&M?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 13, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Who's poormouthing F&M?
I've only seen positive posts on Moune.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on November 14, 2015, 09:34:41 AM
Reserved: You're right about Moune. Sorry. Moune doesnt need defending.  Still say the stuff about F&M's lack of post play is overdone.  They have 4 solid post guys with size. No one else has that. The bigs on Hopkins and Dickinson who took it to them last year have graduated.    They lack production in the post? Compared to who? We will see how it plays out, but my guess is that if F&M struggles, it wont be because they are getting dominated in the paint. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 14, 2015, 07:56:25 PM
Moune and Federici lead F&M to an easy victory.  Federici scored 24 points in the first half and made several nice passes to lead F&M in scoring.   Moune dominated the boards with 16 rebounds and altering many plays.  Eggers had a solid all around game despite missing numerous shots that were barely off the mark.  Shawn Hines played his best game ever with shooting 3 for 3, 2 nice backdoor assists, and solid defense.  Tate ran the offensive well, and Wright played great defense with 3 steals.  Levy looked good on offensive and played adequate defense.  Lionel still struggles with keeping a solid grip on the pass.  He did play defense well.  Tomorrow will be a better test.  Elizabethtown was mismatched at every position.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 14, 2015, 08:08:40 PM
Ursinus defeated Stevens 83-80 on Friday and lost to Scranton 71-62 on Saturday.  Bears played both games without Remi Janicot, arguably their best player'   I think Remi will be among the top three Centennial rebounders this year. Bears played Scranton without Janicot and Matt Knowles, their second best player, on Saturday.  Both have ankle sprains and should return soon.  Matt sprained his in the late stages of the Stevens game after scoring 15 points. 

Bears still have trouble shooting threes but freshman Eric Williams did well off the bench with 9 points against Stevens and 25 against Scranton.  Bears are probably a year away from returning to the top tier of the conference but other teams should not take them lightly.
A "team first" attitude has returned so buckle your chin straps!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 14, 2015, 08:23:44 PM
Gabriel, how good is Scranton? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 15, 2015, 03:03:08 PM
Reserved,

I know it's early but Scranton did not look all that good.  Bears out rebounded them 44-30 even without Janicot.  Neither team shot the ball well.  Scranton's  Boken and Doolan are good but no one else impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 15, 2015, 07:08:49 PM
F&M's weakness in the post almost cost F&M a victory.  After Moune, there is little threat from the post.  Moune left the game 2 1/2 minutes into the first half with two fouls forcing F&M to go with backups in the post.  Oneonta went on a scoring spree forcing Robinson to bring Moune back into the game.  Other than Moune's high for game 27 points(and 15 rebounds) the rest of the post players scored 4 points.  Federici was covered closely by Oneonta forcing him into 1 for 11 shooting.  Eggers picked up the slack scoring 26 points and 8 rebounds while playing excellent defense.  Tate, Wright, and Stern provided adequate offense and played solid defense.  Coleman played a outstanding offensive and defensive game for Oneonta.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2015, 01:33:28 PM

Did Federici put on any weight over the summer?  A little bulk would certainly help his ability to score inside - a part of his game that would really make him difficult to guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2015, 05:23:46 PM
Federici doesn't look any heavier.  He spend most of the summer in Europe.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2015, 09:42:50 PM
Thoughts should be with Washington College as they postponed tonight's men's game and tomorrow night's women's game after nearly two days of their campus being shut down and at least another day to go: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/eastern-shore/bs-md-washington-college-tuesday-20151117-story.html (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/eastern-shore/bs-md-washington-college-tuesday-20151117-story.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2015, 07:47:24 AM
scary
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2015, 02:09:41 PM
It has been from what those on campus have told me. Yes. I think the scariest part is the simple fact they don't know what is really going on.

I talked to someone at one of the opponent's schools because there was talk about switching the "site" of the games to the opponents... and while it seems unlikely, you have to think you don't want to create another location with "Washington College" involved. In other words, the opponents have to consider whether their campus becomes a target (bad word, nothing else in my head to use) because a Washington team is on their campus for a sporting event.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
Washington College is now shut down through Thanksgiving break. No word on affect on teams and schedules as of yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 20, 2015, 11:03:26 PM
Ugly game at Messiah,  Jersey City and F&M combined for 63 fouls.  79 foul shots were taken and 53 made.  Other than Moune who had 1 foul, the other post players combined for 18 fouls..  Jordan Phelps made his first contributions to a game, scoring 8 points, grabbing 4 rebounds, and dishing out 2 assists.  Jared Wright's speed help him get to the line where he scored numerous points 12/14.  Moune played the full 40 minutes which may be necessary throughout the season.  He contributed his third straight double double.  Federici scored 21 points while playing solid defense.  Harris scored 26 points for Jersey City and Wosu had a double double for Jersey City.
In the second game, LBC ran Messiah off the court and coasted to victory down the stretch.
F&M will have to control the tempo of the game tomorrow.  Two different styles of offense--disciplined and run and gun.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 21, 2015, 06:06:34 PM
LBC dominated F&M in all facets of the game.
LBC cruised to a 28 point victory.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2015, 09:21:29 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
Washington College is now shut down through Thanksgiving break. No word on affect on teams and schedules as of yet.

http://college.usatoday.com/2015/11/22/md-student-who-prompted-closure-of-campus-found-dead/

Deepest sympathy to the Washington College family.  Really really tragic.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2015, 12:00:51 PM
I got a chance to sit down with Dickinson coach Alan Seretti at the Hoopsville National Invitational Classic this past weekend. Check out his interview and the rest of the Hoopsville Coach's Corner (which substituted for this Sunday's show) here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/coachs-corner (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/coachs-corner)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 25, 2015, 12:12:48 AM
Exciting game in Allentown.  F&M eked out a victory in overtime against Muhlenberg 81-78.  The most glaring statistic was the number of fouls called against F&M despite the fact that they were the ones bleeding.  In the first half the fouls 14-5, and slightly better in the second half 12-9 as the Mules acquired some fouls in the closing minutes.  In overtime the Mules actually got called for more fouls than the Dips(2-1).  Unfortunately, this is par for the course at Muhlenberg.  Federici scored 26 points despite fine defense by the Mules.  Moune had a double/double again 18-10 points to rebounds.  Eggers came through with 14 points as Robinson nursed him through the later stages of the game and overtime to protect him from acquiring his 5th foul.

The Mules were able to distance themselves in the first half by building a 10 point lead shortly before halftime as the score went from a 23-28 deficit to a 38-28 lead.  F&M hit the final basket as the Mules went into halftime with an 8 point lead.

The Mules starting five all scored in double figures.  Fortunately for F&M, Schreer fouled out late in the game keeping his 3-point shooting from being a factor in overtime.

Other than Stavetski for the Mules there was little scoring form the bench.

The Mules only played 9 players, as F&M was forced to use 14 due to foul trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 25, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Centennial preseason picks F&M, Dickinson, and John Hopkins.  First conference games--2 lost and one won in overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2015, 10:52:19 PM
F&M/Ursinus--very ragged game by both teams.  No individual player stood out for either team.  F&M did get good bench play from Nicholas Stern and Lior Levy.  Ursinus butchered may layup/put backs by LoStracco and Mekongo.   Foul shooting was mediocre by both teams.  Most of the starters struggled getting their shots to drop, and F&M looked very lackadaisical with their passing.  F&M had trouble getting the ball in Moune.  Federici and Moune both came up big on blocks.  Looks like F&M will have a fight on their hands most nights.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on December 01, 2015, 11:25:52 PM
This season is going to be weird.
After 2 games:



Conf   All
Swarthmore   2-0   5-0
Franklin & Marshall   2-0   5-1
Gettysburg   2-0   4-1
McDaniel   2-0   4-1
Muhlenberg   1-1   3-3
Washington College   0-1   1-3
Haverford   0-1   1-4
Ursinus   0-2   1-3
Dickinson   0-2   1-4
Johns Hopkins   0-2   1-4

Preseason Poll
1-Franklin & Marshall 156 points (14)
2-Dickinson 144 (4)
3-Johns Hopkins 132 (2)
4-Gettysburg 112
5-McDaniel 98
6-Muhlenberg 77
7-Swarthmore 74
8-Ursinus 55
9-Washington College 31
10-Haverford 21

Number 7 preseason is hanging out undefeated at #1... I realize Swat has been posted for a run, but I kinda doubt they hold on for too much longer, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the CC tourney (and they've only played Wash and Ursinus, but hey you've got to win the ones you're expected to).

F&M hasn't looked very good. You can't win many games shooting 30.6% from the field.

I'd say Gburg and McD are probably right as expected. McDaniel seems solid from the bit of the JHU game I saw. Can they avoid picking up those terrible losses that they always seem to get. Haven't seen Gburg or Haverford so can't really comment there.

Muhl is still gonna struggle to find an identity for a while. Same w/ Washington.

Ursinus is clearly better than last year, still not great. Gonna win a few close ones over good teams.

Dickinson just isn't recovering from losing Wixted, still expect them to bounce back, maybe make a run at the end of the season.

Hopkins, I don't entirely know, they were missing their leading scorer tonight, but I'm still not sure they would have got it done.

I think CC games are going to be competitive, but it's because no one is very good...

Way to early CC tourney predictions: F&M, Swat, McD, Dickinson, and either Gburg or Muhl

Thoughts? Places I'm completely wrong? Drawing too many conclusions after only 2 CC games?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 02, 2015, 04:39:59 PM
Reserved,

Agree with your comments on the Ursinus/F&M game.  Sometimes ragged play can be brought about by good defense.  F&M is always tough defensively and Ursinus looked much better defensively than they have in the last several years.  Ursinus does not have a star player but they do have a team that will improve as the year goes on.  They need to take better care of the ball and shoot better.  Knowles and Janicot are both gimpy from ankle sprain and the Bears do not have much depth. 

Look forward to Feb 10 at Ursinus.  Looks to me like Gettysburg and McDaniel are the teams to beat in the CC right now---but that could change.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 03, 2015, 04:59:27 PM
Still way too early to make any bold predictions at this point. You would think teams like Dickinson, JHU and F&M are going to get better (F&M won't shoot in the 36% range all year, and the fact they're still winning games shooting that is scary). Dickinson lost a lot more than just Wixted off of that team. Lets not forget, this is a team that currently has just 2 seniors and one junior, so there's a lot of young pieces there still trying to learn how to play together. As for JHU, road games at Gettysburg are always tough, combined with the fact that the Bullets are firing on all cylinders so far this year (terrible pun, sorry about that) and McDaniel always gives the Blue Jays fits. Still a lot of time for them to figure things out, and keep in mind they lost quite a bit too.

Still too early to pick through things. Need to see each team get about 6-7 CC games under their belts before we can really start to predict a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 05, 2015, 06:35:06 PM
F&M easily beat Washington as they took a 44-20 halftime lead.  Despite being in foul trouble and eventually fouling out, Eggers lead the team in scoring with 19 points.  Moune missed a double/double by one rebounding--finishing (14-9).  Federici and Eggers' aggressive defense caused numerous turnovers and harassed the Shoremen into several rushed shots.  Stern came off the bench for another strong performance.  Hines helped with some good offense and defense off the bench.  Federici's shots were barely off, but he continues to do the little things that help win games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 06, 2015, 02:48:03 PM
I hope the Garnet fans are enjoying the beginning of the season.  Swarthmore seems to have much better team than the preseason picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: P'bearfan on December 07, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
QuoteI hope the Garnet fans are enjoying the beginning of the season.  Swarthmore seems to have much better team than the preseason picks.

The scary thing is one of their more talented players, FY guard Cameron Wiley, hasn't taken the floor yet.  Not sure what the situation is but he is a skilled PG who can shoot.  Of course you're never sure what happens to the chemistry when a new player is added but it will be interesting to watch.

Best of luck to Coach K.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on December 09, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
I have not posted on here for a while now. So i thought i would put some love out there for the Bullets! They didn't start the year off to well at York, but certainly have rebounded well thus far.  It typically take some time for Gettysburg to get everyone on the same page on the offensive side of the ball.  But they appear to have started clicking earlier then usual. And they are doing this without the like of Tanner Kirkpatrick, one of their top scorers for the past 2 years.  And they also have not had Alex Kaslander substantially as of yet also, both due to injuries.  I am hoping when they both return full time that things improver even more so. 
I believe it is way too early for predictions, but getting 3 quick conference wins, against upper echelon teams is a great start.  Good luck to the conference in the non-conference games the next few weeks and i hope everyone gets, or stays healthy. 
Good luck to the Bullets tonight as they travel to Messiah, who has underperformed from what i have been reading. Never easy to win there, and they have talent, so it is only a matter of time until they have a breakout game.  How about they have that game any other day but today ;)
Glad to see a little activity on the board.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 09, 2015, 10:30:52 PM
F&M was fortunate to leave Reading with a win.  F&M seems to struggle with teams with speed.  Fortunately F&M's scrappy defense caused numerous turnovers.  If the box score was right, both teams shot the same percentage on all type of shots.(the percentages don't seem right, but I'm too tired to do the math)  Albright controlled the boards  On offense Albright forced too many shots on drives in the paint.  Moune had a rough night as he had to fight for every point and rebound.  F&M was unable to lob the ball into him.
Tate had an outstanding game scoring 19 points and control the ball from the point.  Federici struggled but managed to score 18 points.  Again his shot appears to be a little off.  Eggers continues to hustle on both ends of the court with 10 points and 7 rebounds.  Stern provided good defense off the bench.  T. Phelps helped F&M when several of the starters and Stern were in foul trouble.   Moune will need more help under the basket as Owona scored no points in 30 minutes of play.  Next game not until the 30th.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on December 10, 2015, 01:01:43 PM
I often wonder what other coaches in the CC might think about Coach Robinson at F&M. Anyone care to venture their thoughts/opinions on this?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 10, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
I'd think they'd be biased.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 10, 2015, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 10, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
I'd think they'd be biased.   :)


Unthinkable.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2015, 06:52:32 PM

I'll just say I've talked to a few really long tenured coaches, some in the same age bracket and Glenn is the most involved and energetic of the bunch.  He's also perhaps the most intimidating human being I've ever met in my life; that doesn't hurt as a basketball coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hoop master on December 10, 2015, 09:39:14 PM
     Swat looking like the surprise this year.  May make for some interesting conferance games as season heats up.  Where is Swat dad now that Garnet are competing- and winning!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 11, 2015, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: HoopGuru on December 10, 2015, 01:01:43 PM
I often wonder what other coaches in the CC might think about Coach Robinson at F&M. Anyone care to venture their thoughts/opinions on this?

I would venture to say those without ego's appreciate what he has accomplished and admire him. Those with ego's can't stand him because they can not beat him. (I am not an FnM fan but respect the HECK out of their program).

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 11, 2015, 09:46:06 AM
Robinson is the program. He took a program that was going nowhere and built a competitive program that has earned respect around the nation.   He's been able to recruit players who are willing to commit to a team philosophy and have high character.   Over the years, I have never meet a player who was disrespectful or arrogant. He builds a team around defense before offense.  He has hired some great assistant coaches who help recruit the players who will fit into the program.  Before Robinson, F&M was a doormat.  My senior year when Robinson had recently arrived as an assistant coach, the team was 3-17.  During the 60's, F&M had one winning season (62-63) when they went 10-9.  In 63-64 they hit rock bottom and went 1-20.  Robinson in only his third year as head coach(73-74) ran off 11 years with a winning record before having a losing record. He then went 11 more years before having another losing record.  Robinson is a demanding coach who wants his players to play the best they can.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on December 11, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
Have a ton of respect for what Coach Robinson has built at F&M.  I played against him in the mid 80's, when the program really started it's long upward trend.  He does a great job recruiting players from the post-grad private schools across the MidAtlantic.  Those kids are a perfect fit at an institution like F&M.   He does benefit from some of the financial aid programs at the school that others in the CC can't match.   The interesting thing is that Robinson is #1 in wins in D3 and Steve Moore (Wooster/Muhlenberg) is #3 all-time in wins...  They have over 1600 wins between them and were both in the same conference for years.  Nothing but respect for what Coach Robinson has accomplished over the past 40 years.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 11, 2015, 12:05:18 PM
I don't know what financial packages you're talking about.  One of the biggest complaints is the lack of financial support for the players.  Most of the parents talk about the better offers they had from other schools.  Several of F&M's current players are getting no financial aid.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 17, 2015, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: hoop master on December 10, 2015, 09:39:14 PM
     Swat looking like the surprise this year.  May make for some interesting conferance games as season heats up.  Where is Swat dad now that Garnet are competing- and winning!

I check in every now and then and saw this today. I am so happy that Swat is winning and don't see it as an accident. I think they are pretty solid all around and should compete every night. The only thing is their non-conference schedule is cupcake city and they don't start with the Haverford-Swat tournament that they used to. The other two teams were always really strong and was a tough start to the season. I picked them to finish 4th and I may end up right. The program is absolutely headed in the right direction and there are some quality players on the team. I am not sure there is a better twosome than Bourne and Yonda. What I am shocked by is the production of the Freshman class. They are non-contributors this year which really surprises me. I have to also give a nod to Walsh who is doing a ton of really good things down low. They are killing teams on the boards this year. Cheers and Happy Holidays to All!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 18, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
A former players take on Glenn Robinson  http://lancasteronline.com/sports/basketball/nba/a-q-a-with-nba-analyst-and-franklin-marshall-grad/article_5416c48e-a4fc-11e5-a3bc-bb900d1a6024.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2015, 03:45:51 PM

Ursinus putting on a good show at the Palestra in Philadelphia - tied with Penn at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 22, 2015, 12:24:43 PM
Ursinus ended up losing to Penn 73-66 but did themselves proud even in losing.  By all reports, the team had an awesome experience.  Great crowd including the Ursinus 1981 Final Four team.  Penn Coach Steve Donahue was a member of the 1981 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on December 25, 2015, 11:31:11 PM
Anyone know anything about the DI transfer F&M is getting? J.C. McGrath, a Division I guard from San Diego
seen here: http://lancasteronline.com/sports/basketball/franklinandmarshall/f-m-s-robinson-closing-in-on-milestone-ncaa-victories/article_20edfcea-a6bd-11e5-a05a-e788ff7375fe.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 26, 2015, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from: njf1003 on December 25, 2015, 11:31:11 PM
Anyone know anything about the DI transfer F&M is getting? J.C. McGrath, a Division I guard from San Diego
seen here: http://lancasteronline.com/sports/basketball/franklinandmarshall/f-m-s-robinson-closing-in-on-milestone-ncaa-victories/article_20edfcea-a6bd-11e5-a05a-e788ff7375fe.html

As far as can tell, he was a D1 soccer player at San Diego - he seems to be pretty good.  Maybe he's just given up his pro aspirations or doesn't like the d1 grind?  He's from Newark, DE, so Lancaster isn't far from home.  He apparently went to HS in Munich.

I'm going to go see them when they come down to Washington College in a couple weeks, I'll let you know.

Bringing in Eggers helped the team a lot last year - I think they need more post presence than perimeter, but more bodies are more bodies.  We'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 26, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
Are you sure?  The young man from DE is Patrick.  Where does J. C. come from?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 26, 2015, 01:53:51 PM

https://twitter.com/jgrath_12

You're right, the soccer kid is his brother.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 29, 2015, 03:08:01 PM

Hoops -

I am not sure that "intimidating" is the word that I would use to describe GRob! I think that "intense" or "focused" are perhaps better adjectives.

Have a great New Year.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 29, 2015, 03:13:10 PM

Just wondering if anyone knows which Diplomats are dealing with injuries and about the extent of those injuries? Please advise.

Hope everyone had a relaxing and enjoyable Christmas holiday. Best to all in 2016.

Now, bring on the rest of the season!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 29, 2015, 05:40:15 PM
diplomaniac1-
At the Albright game only Osley was held out due to a thumb injury which was going to be further examined.  Several other players were hobbled by ankle injuries.  Moune was still nursing a broken nose and other leg injuries.  I don't know if anyone else has been injured since.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 02, 2016, 06:52:23 PM
F&M almost let a game slip through their fingers.  Misericordia's Kenny and Sponaugle went on a shooting spree in the second half almost pushing Misericordia to a victory.  F&M struggled from the foul line giving Misericordia many opportunities to get back in the game.  Federici hot shooting in the first half allowed F&M to build a 12 point half time lead.  Federici ended up with 30 points and Moune had a double/double with 16 points and rebounds.  F&M continues to have a lot on uncontested turnovers.  F&M shooting percentage was much improved from the Carnegie Melon game.  Robinson now has 898 wins.  Fouls called in the second half were a little disproportionate until Misericordia picked up 9 fouls in the last 2 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 07, 2016, 11:23:19 PM
Despite playing in obvious pain, Moune completed a double/double for the game. (18 its. 12 rebounds)  Hustle for the balls numerous times he was unable to push himself up from the floor without help from a teammate.  With all the injuries, F&M was unable to suit up a 15 man roster for the game.  Lionel started strong, but he was also in obvious pain and slowed as the game wore on.  Tate and Wright played outstanding defense on Brooks holding him to only 11 points with few opportunities for open shots.  Brooks should have brought a saddle since he practically rode Federici the whole game.  Despite the tight defense on Federici only one foul was called on McDaniel for the whole first half.   Federici shot 6-for-15 from the floor and finished with 13 points while Jordan Phelps, Hunter Eggers and Owona all chipped in six points.
Tim Stewart led McDaniel with 16 points and Wes Brooks scored 11 for the Green Terror.
F&M outshot McDaniel 53-44 percent and held a 35-17 edge on the glass.
There were several nice passes by both teams including a back-handed slap from Tate to Federici on a breakaway. 
F&M's coach Robinson will be going for win 900 on Saturday against 10-1 Swarthmore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 09, 2016, 08:29:11 AM
Big game at F&M today as Coach Robinson goes for win 900. Swarthmore(10-1) plays F&M(9-2) at 3:00 at home. On Thursday night Glenn Robinson improved his career win total to 899. In addition to being the most victorious coach in NCAA Division III history, Robinson is fourth across all divisions, trailing only Mike Krzyzewski (1,031), Herb Magee (1,020), and Bob Knight (902).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2016, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 09, 2016, 08:29:11 AM
Big game at F&M today as Coach Robinson goes for win 900. Swarthmore(10-1) plays F&M(9-2) at 3:00 at home. On Thursday night Glenn Robinson improved his career win total to 899. In addition to being the most victorious coach in NCAA Division III history, Robinson is fourth across all divisions, trailing only Mike Krzyzewski (1,031), Herb Magee (1,020), and Bob Knight (902).

I think he might have to wait one more, but it's certainly an amazing accomplishment whenever it happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 09, 2016, 07:20:38 PM
No wait. 900 wins!
A really ugly game in Lancaster.  After 12 minutes the score was 6-4 Swarthmore.  The refereeing was horrendous both ways.  Obvious fouls weren't called, and phantom fouls were called.  The physical game almost lead to injuries as numerous players hit the floor.  Both teams played tenacious defense and open looks were hard to find.  F&M built a 20-10 shortly before the half but Swarthmore got back in the game as the half ended 23-19 with Swarthmore hitting some shots right before the half.  The second half was a back and forth battle with neither team able to build a significant lead.  After a slow start Eggers got hot and finished with 22 points.  Moune added 11 points and 9 rebounds and Federici added 13 points.  Lebryh for Swarthmore played an excellent game for Swarthmore keeping F&M from building any sort of lead.  Lebryh finished with 16 points.  Bourne played a extremely physical game putting up a double/double--12 points and 13 rebounds.  Swarthmore shot 20-22 from the line and F&M 17-22.  Swarthmore lead in rebounds with a margin of 36-32.  F&M held a one point lead with 31 seconds to go and Swarthmore holding the ball.  F&M's tight defense caused a missed shot, but Swarthmore got the rebound with 6 seconds to go and were unable to get a shot off.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2016, 11:05:16 PM

I watched the live stream the whole time.  F&M's defense was fantastic; they never let Swat get comfortable on offense.  Eggers had as good a game as I've ever seen him play.  I still tend to think Swarthmore is the better team, but Robinson had his guys more prepared to play in this game - maybe there's a reason he's won 900 games?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2016, 05:14:43 PM
Believe it or not, but we are pretty much halfway through the 2015-16 season and there are plenty of teams still surprising and records being rewritten.

Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) we chat with the fourth person to reach the 900 wins in men's college basketball, a woman who keeps herself very busy even when she isn't coaching, and several other teams who are surprising everyone by leading their conference races.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7:00 PM ET and you can watch it here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan10 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan10)

Guests include ( in order):
- Glenn Robinson, #17 F&M men's coach - won career game 900 Saturday
- Pat Manning, #18 Williams women's coach - WBCA Center Court segment
- Amanda Crockett, North Park women's coach
- Mac Brown, New Jersey City men's coach
- Kendal Wallace, LaGrange men's coach

You can tune into the podcast after the show airs here::
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 11, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
Where's the board for LBC?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
They are in the NEAC so thus the East Region... but no one is chatting NEAC as of late.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2016, 11:38:31 PM
Not much of a game at Haverford.  F&M placed 5 players in double figures.  Most of the starters played about 1/2 of the game.  Haverford struggled to get off shots as they had 29 turnovers.  F&M's subs seemed out of sync during the last 10 minutes of the game when all subs were in.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 13, 2016, 08:24:42 AM
Tough night for Ursinus first losing Matt Knowles 4 minutes into the game  and then losing to Dickinson 69-63.  Bears led by as much as 15 in the first half and 9 at the half.  Matt Knowles loss was major.  He is the reigning POW his loss hurt big time on both ends of the floor as he led the conference in scoring and is a top notch defender and ball handler as well.  Hope the injury is not season ending.

Ursinus was already thin with Patrick Mekongo and Zack Muredda out with leg injuries.  Need the freshmen to step up now
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2016, 10:34:52 PM
In a wild game at F&M, F&M held on for a 63-60 victory over JHU.  Despite getting numerous calls from the referees, JHU was unable to convert fouls hitting only 13-26.  F&M only managed 5 for 11.  Federici hit shooting in the first half gave F&M a 2 point lead at the lead.  Several missed lay ups and unforced turnovers keep JHU in the game in the first half.  JHU got balanced scoring from Curran, Billups, and Gordon who each had 14 points. Williams was held to 10.  F&M got 20 from Federici, 14 from Tate and 12 each from Moune and Eggers.  Billups had one of his best games of the year with the 14 points and 5 blocks.  Owana struggled for much of the game but called a key time out on a scramble to give the possession to F&M.  The last 22 seconds seemed to take forever as several fouls and turnovers stretched out the time.  The second half was extremely physical.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 15, 2016, 02:49:27 PM

Folks -

The following is a link to an article on GRob from today's Lancaster Newspapers issue:

http://lancasteronline.com/sports/basketball/franklinandmarshall/duke-s-coach-k-to-lnp-f-m-s-glenn/article_8bfbe5ee-bb38-11e5-8508-33632284ee4b.html (http://lancasteronline.com/sports/basketball/franklinandmarshall/duke-s-coach-k-to-lnp-f-m-s-glenn/article_8bfbe5ee-bb38-11e5-8508-33632284ee4b.html)

It is an interesting read. Enjoy. Congrats to Coach Robinson!

Go Diplomats. As always, best regards to all. Enjoy the rest of the season.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 15, 2016, 05:11:45 PM
Almost halfway through conference season now. Some thoughts as I see it:

-F&M has had a couple close calls, but keeps finding ways to win

-Swarthmore looks like they have all the pieces to compete for not only a playoff berth, but maybe more. They looked like they were ready to take the next step last year, and this year they have.

-Same for Gettysburg. All their pieces are coming together too. Did not see them being 6-1 in the league right now. They head to The Mule Barn tomorrow, and then they have a big one at home next week to F&M.

-I figured Dickinson was going to take a step back this year (they lost a LOT), but I didn't expect them to come back to the pack as much as they have

As for tomorrow's games, every matchup seems to be a compelling one (you might be able to throw Dickinson/Haverford out of that mix, but with the Red Devils going on the road, you never know). Anyone heard about Matt Knowles' status for Ursinus? Also, keep an eye on Chestertown. Glenn Robinson can pass Bob Knight for 3rd on the NCAA wins list with his 903rd win tomorrow if F&M can beat Washington, but, as seen in recent years, the Diplomats struggle there (WAC has beaten a nationally ranked F&M 2 out of the last 3 years in Chestertown, once while WAC was 0-14, the other time while they were 2-18).

Looking forward to seeing how the season plays out!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2016, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on January 15, 2016, 05:11:45 PM
Also, keep an eye on Chestertown. Glenn Robinson can pass Bob Knight for 3rd on the NCAA wins list with his 903rd win tomorrow if F&M can beat Washington, but, as seen in recent years, the Diplomats struggle there (WAC has beaten a nationally ranked F&M 2 out of the last 3 years in Chestertown, once while WAC was 0-14, the other time while they were 2-18).

I've been there for both WC wins, missed the loss.  My attendance tomorrow is still up in the air, but perhaps it will determine the outcome?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2016, 10:18:12 PM
Unfortunately, I, also, saw both of the losses, and I will be there tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2016, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2016, 10:18:12 PM
Unfortunately, I, also, saw both of the losses, and I will be there tomorrow.

Sorry to F&M fans.  Last minute decision to go.  I'm headed out the door now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2016, 06:20:31 PM

So my presence didn't jinx F&M, but they didn't play very well.  It was just the trouble WC had on offense that made the difference though.

Impressed, as usual, with what WC is putting out there.  They have no post presence, which is what killed them today, but they did run through three or four tall freshmen who might develop into something.  The best players on the team are all coming back next year - really impressed with the growth and development of the PG.

As for F&M, interesting to see them on a day when Federici's shot isn't going in.  It just highlights how little he contributes in other parts of the game.  He gets the hype and is a truly gifted scorer, but he's certainly the third most important player on the Dips - Moune and Eggers are far more important to the overall success of the team.

This team is good, but they're not playing anywhere near potential.  If they do, they can go far; if they don't, last year is probably a good template for where their ceiling lies.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2016, 07:32:38 PM
In a scary game at Washington, F&M looked ripe for the upset.  After going up by 18 points, F&M started to fall apart as Moune and Eggers picked up their fourth fouls.  Washington keep scrapping to get back into the game but couldn't cut into the lead enough to make the game more exciting..  The officiating was ragged both ways.  Federici and Moune had 19 points each, and Eggers added 18.  Moune added 10 rebounds.
I agree with Hoops Fan that F&M is a good team, but not a great team.  F&M needs more scoring in the paint.  Beins had a good game scoring 8 points.
I do disagree with Hoops Fan that Federici contributes little in other areas.  He contributes with numerous steals and blocks on a typical night.  He has a uncanny ability to make passes to get the open man.  Today was not a typical night.  Actually, this was a pretty typical night for Federici's shooting.  He is averaging right around 40%, which is right about where he was today.
For Washington Shelton had a great game with 20 points and 14 rebounds-high in both categories.  Knox had 16 points and Drury 14;\.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2016, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2016, 07:32:38 PM
In a scary game at Washington, F&M looked ripe for the upset.  After going up by 18 points, F&M started to fall apart as Moune and Eggers picked up their fourth fouls.  Washington keep scrapping to get back into the game but couldn't cut into the lead enough to make the game more exciting..  The officiating was ragged both ways.  Federici and Moune had 19 points each, and Eggers added 18.  Moune added 10 rebounds.
I agree with Hoops Fan that F&M is a good team, but not a great team.  F&M needs more scoring in the paint.  Beins had a good game scoring 8 points.
I do disagree with Hoops Fan that Federici contributes little in other areas.  He contributes with numerous steals and blocks on a typical night.  He has a uncanny ability to make passes to get the open man.  Today was not a typical night.  Actually, this was a pretty typical night for Federici's shooting.  He is averaging right around 40%, which is right about where he was today.
For Washington Shelton had a great game with 20 points and 14 rebounds-high in both categories.  Knox had 16 points and Drury 14;\.

I guess I should say Federici doesn't contribute as much in other areas as perhaps his reputation would lead one to believe.  He's not a strong on-ball defender.  He's good.  Very good - he's also tough as nails - he picked a huge three (I think his first of the second half) right after Eggers went out and just when the team needed his offense.

It was just a sort of revelation tonight that he's the third best player on the team and the third most important.  Nothing wrong with that - especially when he's able to step up and score 30 now and then - just interesting to the dynamic.


Sorry we didn't get to meet today.  I need to do a better job of looking around and trying to figure out who everyone is.  I was wearing a red t-shirt today.  I was sitting in front of Jared Wright's family.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2016, 08:41:24 PM
My top three are Moune, Federici, and then Eggers followed closely by Tate, and then a drop off.
Federici is in the top 10 for scoring, assist, steals, and blocks in the Centennial.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 17, 2016, 03:30:24 PM
Federici is in the top 10 in four categories - scoring, assists, steals, and blocks in the Centennial.

Moune is in the top 10 in 6 categories - scoring, steals, rebounds, blocks, fg% and ft%

Hinnenkamp is in the top 10 in 6 categories - scoring, assists, blocks, rebounds, fg% and ft%

I don't think anyone else in the league shows up that much across multiple categories, but correct me if I've missed someone. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 18, 2016, 05:55:10 PM
Think you might have missed Ursinus' Matt Knowles who shows well in several categories.....but statistics don't tell all.  In my view, Matt was (arguably) the best player in the CC....on both ends of the court.  He had sprained his ankle and missed the first two games of the season.   He came back, had some highlight games including 26 points against D-1Penn and was really hitting his stride two weeks ago against Eastern, McDaniel and WC.  Then 4 minutes into the game at Dickinson last week he injured his knee.  His loss is major for the Bears as they lost three last week----would have beaten both Dickinson and Getty with Matt but probably would have lost to JHU. But 2 of 3 would have been O.K.   

Feel bad for Matt and the Bears as they were really playing well and, I believe, would have earned a playoff spot.  That is unlikely now as the Bears were thin before injury and will be even more with less now. Go Bears and Go Patriots!  Comments expected from the F&M crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on January 18, 2016, 07:23:01 PM
Not going to argue that Matt is a huge loss for the Bears. But I get annoyed when you comment that they would probably have beaten teams that it lost to. Such an easy thing to say. They didn't exactly have a great record with him playing, and I understand they will most likely struggle even more so without. I don't know everyone's scenarios, but I know Gburg was missing a 2 year starter and double digit scorer in Tanner Kirkpatrick for the first 6 games or so. And they managed to win some games. And I know Kevin Gladstone has missed the last 2 games, which is a loss of 13 ppg, and they managed to win both games, on the road. One of which was against the Bears. All teams go through injuries and illnesses, this is where your staff's ability to recruit and bring players along comes into play. I hate that injuries occur, but it is a part of the game. I have no idea what Matt's injury is, but I wish him the best during his recovery. All teams would rather beat other teams at their best, but unfortunately not always possible. Good luck to all the CC teams this week! Go Bullets!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 19, 2016, 08:53:14 AM
Speaking of the Bullets, they've got a BIG one tomorrow night against the Diplomats. Looking forward to that one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2016, 09:54:48 AM
Should be an exciting game in Gettysburg.  Gettysburg looks like an extreme competitive team.  Their scoring seems to be balanced which could be a problem for F&M and will they be able to exploit F&M's major weakness.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on January 19, 2016, 11:01:16 AM
It should be a good game in Gettysburg! Gburg is going to need Gladstone back, not sure of his status for tonight.  With the style of play we use it involves everyone gets a lot of people in the scoring column.  The guys will need to continue sharing the ball as well as they have been to stay in the game and compete.  And knocking down 3's will be helpful also.  The concern will be to not let Moune get offensive rebounds and put backs.  His size could cause trouble for the Bullets.  Thus, Gladstone needs to be able to play tomorrow night.  We will need to put pressure on Moune by bringing him out to the 3 point line to defend Tanner and Gladstone. If they can hit a few 3's and bring him out and then attack him off the dribble maybe, just maybe, he would get into foul trouble.  Federici will take his shots and get his points, the defense needs to make him take 20-23 shots to get his 20 points.  Teams tend to shoot the 3 well against Gburg, and letting him get off on 3's would be devastating.  Hunter is playing well, and actually would cause me more concern then Federici.  He seems to step up in big games.  AND, it is a battle between arguably the 2 best coaches in the conference, obviously the argument may be more towards Coach Petrie, but i feel he gets the most out of his players and is consistently competitive most years. And a win against the top teams is always helpful when it comes to tie-breakers at the end of the season.. 
Good luck to both teams for a competitive, injury free game!  I will certainly be there to see it live!
Let's go Bullets!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 19, 2016, 12:01:03 PM
Think you might have missed Ursinus' Matt Knowles who shows well in several categories.....but statistics don't tell all.  In my view, Matt was (arguably) the best player in the CC...

Apples to apples....
My post responded to Reserved Seat's comments on Federici's top ten stats across four categories. Being curious, I checked against all leaders, then contributed my findings of  Moune's and Hinnenkamp's  top ten conference stats in 6 categories as a comparison.  I agree that stats don't tell all, and to be fair have rechecked Knowle's stats in the six games he played.  He was in the top ten in the conference in two categories... scoring (2nd), and free throw percentage (5th).  There most definitely are intangibles that don't show up in game stats, I agree.-- I stuck to the stats.  I wish him the best through his rehab,
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2016, 12:34:45 PM
Matt Knowles is just one of those special players who makes everyone around him better.  Not a flashy player at all, just solid in everything he does-----great basketball IQ----and with the TEAM in mind at all times.  I think they would have beaten both Dickinson (Lost 69-63) and Gettysburg (Lost 65-59) because I believe Matt makes up more than the 6 point deficits.  It's a moot point because we'll never know, will we. 

Matt is done for the season with a knee injury.  He tore an ACL as a senior in high school. Now he tore ligaments in the other knee.  Hope he recovers for his senior season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 19, 2016, 02:01:51 PM
That is a shame to hear about Knowles. I follow UC and it looked like they were getting into a nice rhythm there with him taking on a more prominent scoring role and playing at a 1st team all conference level. They have not had the best of luck lately when it comes to injuries and now the younger guys are going to have to step into bigger roles earlier than what I am guessing the coaching staff envisioned, and making it unlikely that they get into one of those last playoff spots.

Also, I think it is pointless to argue whether a team would or would not win with or without a certain player. I have both been a part of and watched countless games where the best/most important player is out for a team and the team plays well without them. Each game is unique and you never know so all it would be is a guess. Just look at how unranked Michigan beat #3 Maryland last week w/o Caris Lavert, arguably their best player. You just never know. It would have been nice to see UC play both the entire Dickinson game and Gburg game, as well as the rest of the season with Knowles to see how everything would have played out. Unfortunately, we won't and and can just hope that his rehab goes well to be ready for next year pre-season.

On another note...this is a nice artficle on UC guard Brian Rafferty I wanted to pass along:

http://www.timesherald.com/article/JR/20160118/SPORTS/160119746
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2016, 03:42:01 PM
HoopGuru,

Agree with your post but just had to talk about the Ursinus team that no one has talked about on this board.  I know it doesn't pay to speculate on history but that is what we as pundits do.....isn't it?  Injuries are always a problem for everyone.  The Bears now have lost two guards to knee injuries in Knowles and Zack Murreda.  In addition, Knowles, Janicot and Mekongo have missed several games due to ankle injuries.

Nice article on Brian Rafferty.  Thanks.  The coaches and Ursinus fans love this young man.  He is a "pass first" point guard who is getting better each game. Leads the CC in assists.  He was a reluctant shooter last year as a freshman but seems to be more assertive this year and will have to be  now with Knowles out.

Bears must rely more and more on freshmen Eric Willams, Matt Williams and Matt Margolis in particular.  The hardest thing for freshmen to adjust to is on the defensive end----the rotations etc.  Eric is an excellent shooter and the two Matts can knock them down too.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2016, 06:43:09 PM
Gdbriel, I'm glad you're supporting your team.  The Centennial has a lot of competitive teams and most games are a toss up. 
F&M, also, has numerous injuries.  So many that when Robinson was recently interview he said his biggest concern was injuries to key players.  At McDaniel, 4 players didn't suit up and several others played with significant injuries.  Fortunately, only one has been lost for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 20, 2016, 10:58:53 PM
Gettysburg dominated F&M in every facet of the game.  Cedric Moune basically playing with one arm still had a double/double with 21 points and 10 rebounds.  Until F&M can find another function post player, F&M will struggle to win.  The shooting percentage of the 3 guards was only 33%.  Gettysburg had well rounded scoring with 5 players in double figures.  Kiefer tied Moune with 10 rebounds.  Gettysburg hit key threes as they made 12 threes.  After falling behind by double digits, F&M closed it to 3 points and had several opportunities to tie the score at 50-47.
From that point it was all downhill for F&M as Gettysburg finished out a 23-8 run.  F&M needs to get more out a post player than 3 points per game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 21, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
gettysburg looks very good in that 5 players are basically averaging around the same amount of points (double figures from between about 11 and 12.5 points each), all contributing in the assist column (obviously sharing the ball), and with a strong team assist to turnover ratio. congrats to the bullets on playing strong team basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on January 21, 2016, 09:28:56 AM
Gettysburg and Swat have 3 guys each shooting 40% or better from 3.  That's hard to stop.  Balanced scoring wins.   

Good win for  Dickinson last night over Hopkins.  2 injury depleted teams.  Hopkins has lost Vasilitis for the season, and Curran looked like he is still finding his way back.  Dickinson missing 3 forwards (Romocki, Jurzynski, Melton) off a team that is young and undersized to start with.   Dickinson has some pesky frosh guards in Hinkley and Wright and by the time Hopkins figured out how to hold on to the ball and use their size with Billups it was too late.  Made a run -- helped by Dickinson's poor FT shooting -- but came up short.   Hinnenkamp for Dickinson played great -- did everything but sell hot dogs at halftime.  He should be in the discussion for POY, but he won't be if they don't make the playoffs. And they wont do that if their FT shooting doesnt improve.    Hopkins should make playoffs, but they look a little rudderless without their PG.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2016, 10:55:11 PM
McDaniel played F&M tight for 25 minutes.  At that point the score was 37-37, but F&M went a 13-0 run to open up a margin.  The bench came up strong with 26 points including 11 from wright and 8 from Hines.  Moune lead all scorers with 19 points.  Too many rebounds went uncontested by either team.  Federici had trouble shaking Brooks and the constant double teaming.
Brandon had one uncontested shot that he hit for a three.  Eggers came up strong with 5 steals.  Stewart and Brooks were held below their season averages.  Stewart played a very physical trying to keep McDaniel in the game.  Owana and Hines picked up 4 fouls each trying to stop Stewart.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 27, 2016, 11:28:39 PM
F&M was able to escape Dickinson with a 64-62 win in a highly contested game.  Hinnenkamp and Angradi scored 32 points and Feerici and Moune scored 36 points.  F&M's bench came through with 19 points including 7 from Levy.  Poor foul shooting almost gave the game to Dickinson, as F&M missed numerous shots down the stretch.  On Dickinson's last two possessions Moune came up with 2 key blocks.  Several over key blocks appeared to happen the last seconds which didn't show up in the scorebook.  I wish someone could explain to what a charge is, and what is the purpose of the arc in the paint.  The arc seems to have no effect on a charge call from the way the referees called the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 28, 2016, 06:52:56 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 27, 2016, 11:28:39 PM
F&M was able to escape Dickinson with a 64-62 win in a highly contested game.  Hinnenkamp and Angradi scored 32 points and Feerici and Moune scored 36 points.  F&M's bench came through with 19 points including 7 from Levy.  Poor foul shooting almost gave the game to Dickinson, as F&M missed numerous shots down the stretch.  On Dickinson's last two possessions Moune came up with 2 key blocks.  Several over key blocks appeared to happen the last seconds which didn't show up in the scorebook.  I wish someone could explain to what a charge is, and what is the purpose of the arc in the paint.  The arc seems to have no effect on a charge call from the way the referees called the game.

Dickinson was also down a starter - Justus Melton is still injured, evidently.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 28, 2016, 11:31:17 AM
&M was able to escape Dickinson with a 64-62 win in a highly contested game.  Hinnenkamp and Angradi scored 32 points and Feerici and Moune scored 36 points.  F&M's bench came through with 19 points including 7 from Levy.  Poor foul shooting almost gave the game to Dickinson, as F&M missed numerous shots down the stretch.  On Dickinson's last two possessions Moune came up with 2 key blocks.  Several over key blocks appeared to happen the last seconds which didn't show up in the scorebook.  I wish someone could explain to what a charge is, and what is the purpose of the arc in the paint.  The arc seems to have no effect on a charge call from the way the referees called the game.

Dickinson was also down a starter - Justus Melton is still injured, evidently.


Look out F&M and the rest... the Red Devils nearly took it but for a rushed second to last possession, and without three key forwards.  They will all be back.  Melton is not injured.  He is at home in North Carolina and is the bone marrow donor for his 27 year old sister Emily, a lovely young school teacher who was diagnosed with leukemia in the late fall.  The transplant takes place today.  In case no one noticed, the Dickinson players and coaches all sported shaved heads last night in support of the announcement at both the women's and men's games.  There is a go fund me page for Emily for those who would like to contribute:    https://www.gofundme.com/3c98bcz8
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 29, 2016, 09:32:29 AM
Nice recognition for Robinson's 900th win  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeUz3yHwaZ4&feature=youtu.be&list=PL9441BED075270EA0
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 29, 2016, 11:08:41 AM
Kudos to the Johns Hopkins Men's Basketball team for making a donation to help Emily Melton while she battles Leukemia. Very nice, guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 29, 2016, 11:31:51 AM
And to Alec Stavetski at Muhlenberg, you rock.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2016, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: givengo on January 28, 2016, 11:31:17 AM
&M was able to escape Dickinson with a 64-62 win in a highly contested game.  Hinnenkamp and Angradi scored 32 points and Feerici and Moune scored 36 points.  F&M's bench came through with 19 points including 7 from Levy.  Poor foul shooting almost gave the game to Dickinson, as F&M missed numerous shots down the stretch.  On Dickinson's last two possessions Moune came up with 2 key blocks.  Several over key blocks appeared to happen the last seconds which didn't show up in the scorebook.  I wish someone could explain to what a charge is, and what is the purpose of the arc in the paint.  The arc seems to have no effect on a charge call from the way the referees called the game.

Dickinson was also down a starter - Justus Melton is still injured, evidently.


Look out F&M and the rest... the Red Devils nearly took it but for a rushed second to last possession, and without three key forwards.  They will all be back.  Melton is not injured.  He is at home in North Carolina and is the bone marrow donor for his 27 year old sister Emily, a lovely young school teacher who was diagnosed with leukemia in the late fall.  The transplant takes place today.  In case no one noticed, the Dickinson players and coaches all sported shaved heads last night in support of the announcement at both the women's and men's games.  There is a go fund me page for Emily for those who would like to contribute:    https://www.gofundme.com/3c98bcz8

Awesome.  Glad to know it's not an injury and I certainly hope to hear a positive report from the surgery.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 30, 2016, 05:22:24 PM
F&M opened with an 18 point first half lead keyed by Owana who scored all of his 13 points in the first half and Federici whose shots hat been a little off most of the season were right on target.  Federici made 13 of 15 including 8 of 9 from the arc.  Moune contributed a strong double/double with 17 points and 12 rebounds.  Wright scored 10 off the bench contributing to the 88-64 victory.  Garnes played a strong game for the Fords scoring 25 points.  F&M controlled the boards 42-24.  Tate and Wright had a combined 12 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 30, 2016, 07:38:24 PM
I just donated $17.02 to  https://www.gofundme.com/prayforzero (https://www.gofundme.com/prayforzero) in honor of Will Gates of Swarthmore College. It was the number of points he scored there. Justus Melton sounds like a great young man! God Bless his whole family!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 01, 2016, 07:43:34 PM
I just donated $17.02 to  https://www.gofundme.com/prayforzero in honor of Will Gates of Swarthmore College. It was the number of points he scored there. Justus Melton sounds like a great young man! God Bless his whole family!

It takes a village. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 02, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
Look out for UC.  Have won three in a row and go to an overrated Swat team tonight.  Keep them off the FT line and defend the three and they should get the W.  Puts them in Great position for the last 6 games of the season to make a playoff push with a young squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2016, 10:54:07 AM
The league is still wide open.  No team has an outstanding team.  All the teams seem to have obvious weaknesses.  Last week John Hopkins beat Swarthmore and lost to Washington.  No team can have an off day.  F&M has had numerous close games that could have gone either way.  Ursinus has as good a chance as anyone to make the play-offs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 02, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: HoopGuru on February 02, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
Look out for UC.  Have won three in a row and go to an overrated Swat team tonight.  Keep them off the FT line and defend the three and they should get the W.  Puts them in Great position for the last 6 games of the season to make a playoff push with a young squad.

"Overrated" is not the word I would use to describe Swarthmore. They only lost by 3 AT F&M, they beat Gettysburg AT Gettysburg by 7 (in fact, they've already completed the season sweep of Gettysburg), and they've won 5 of their last 6, 3 of which were road games, all of which were played without Chris Bourne. And they're 9-3 in the conference. That doesn't exactly scream out overrated.

As for tonight, it should be a night full of good matchups. There's starting to shape into a 3 team race between F&M, Gettysburg, and Swat, as they have separation over the rest of the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2016, 11:53:18 AM
Swarthmore is not at all overrated. They are doing exactly what many inside and outside the conference expected this year... excelling. Just because Swarthmore in the past has struggled doesn't mean the program is overrated now.

You can learn more about them on Thursday's Hoopsville Marathon Show, by the way. When they will appear during the 10a-10p show is still to be determined.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2016, 10:31:34 PM
Solid defense by F&M and poor shooting by Muhlenberg allowed F&M to cruise to a 72-43.  It took almost 7 minutes at the start of the game for the Mules to score.   Rindock lead the Mules with 9 points.  McClellan came off the bench for the Mules to gather 9 rebounds, along with Rindock who also had 9 rebounds.  Moune lead the Dips with 5 rebounds and 25 points.Federici added 13 points and Eggers 12.  F&M's tenacious defense stole the ball 17 times and caused  26 turnovers.   Terrell Phelps returned from his injury and scored 2 points which were credited to Matt Tate, who was already on the bench with the other starters.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 03, 2016, 05:54:15 AM
Swarthmore is definitely not overrated, but losing Bourne (best or second best on the team) will hurt. They have had a great year and I am really proud of them. Landry has done a great job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2016, 06:26:40 AM

Hopkins destroyed Gettysburg last night - 20 points was actually not as close as the game was.  They've now swept Swarthmore and split with Gburg, playing F&M again, at Hopkins, on 2/13.  I was already planning to be there for that game, but it might mean something now.  A win over the Dips and they've got a real chance to be above 4th place.  Pretty interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 03, 2016, 08:46:33 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 03, 2016, 05:54:15 AM
Swarthmore is definitely not overrated, but losing Bourne (best or second best on the team) will hurt. They have had a great year and I am really proud of them. Landry has done a great job.

The absence of Bourne is definitely a big one, but Swat has still managed to win 6 of the last 7 now after a 19 point win over Ursinus last night. You could tell at the end of last year that this group was poised to take the next step, and they certainly have.

JHU smoking Gettysburg by 20 is.....wow. Not expected to say the least. Hard to believe this team lost AT HOME to a Washington squad last week that only suited up 9 of their 16 players. But, that might have been the wake up call they needed, as since then, they've gone on the road to beat Swat by 9, and then the 20 point Gburg win last night. Bullets are in a slide now too, having lost 3 of their last 4 games.

Muhlenberg is officially in trouble, now that they've dropped 5 in a row. Shooting 28% and having 26 turnovers last night is a killer against anyone, but especially against F&M.

Big game coming up Saturday with F&M going to Swat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 03, 2016, 12:34:22 PM
Anyone know why Bourne is not playing?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 03, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
Swat is for real and they deserve to be where they are in the standings.  Excellent team play, solid defensively and they shoot the ball really well.  As a previous poster noted,  Swat opponents must defend the three and keep them off the free throw line.  They shoot both really well.  When you extend your defense, they like to dribble drive.  Since F&M defends so well, I think they will match up with Swat very well.  Game should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NJBALLERZ on February 03, 2016, 01:04:20 PM
Who is the top candidate for POY in the centennial? I haven't been following the league as much as usual this year, but I would imagine it will be someone from F&M, Hopkins, G'Burg, or Swat..?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2016, 03:10:41 PM
Moune should be in the running.

Gabriel, the first meeting between F&M and Swarthmore was a good one.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2016, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2016, 03:10:41 PM
Moune should be in the running.

Gabriel, the first meeting between F&M and Swarthmore was a good one.

I was thinking Moune off the top of my head.  Hinnenkamp is the most talented player, I think, but he's not been very consistent this year.  His stats are still very good, but I'd go with Moune - I think he's worth about a third of F&Ms wins this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 03, 2016, 05:07:03 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2016, 03:10:41 PM
Moune should be in the running.

Gabriel, the first meeting between F&M and Swarthmore was a good one.

Reserved,

Yes it was good game but it was at UC.  Been following UC for 16-17 years and they never play well at Swat for whatever reason.  UC got crushed last night by a very good team playing a tired looking and certainly flat team.  It happens!  First game they had Knowles and Eric Williams, their top two scorers.  Think Swat had Bourne too.  Whatever, Swat is just better than most of the other CC teams right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 03, 2016, 07:35:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 03, 2016, 12:34:22 PM
Anyone know why Bourne is not playing?

I believe it is his knee. I was told it was his ankle early on, but now was told it was his knee.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2016, 03:10:22 AM
In case I missed it or it hasn't been said: Bourne is out for the season. I do believe it was his knee, but I can't even remember per my conversation with coach today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 06, 2016, 01:22:59 AM

Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

F. Y. I. See the following link regarding GRob's recent accomplishment:

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20160203nspy4c (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20160203nspy4c)

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on February 06, 2016, 01:22:59 AM

Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

F. Y. I. See the following link regarding GRob's recent accomplishment:

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20160203nspy4c (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20160203nspy4c)

Eric

I'm as big an NAIA hater as anyone, but it drives me a little nuts we keep saying G-Rob is the third to 900 wins.  There are three guys in NAIA who have over 900 - two are active, one is ahead of Coach K.  I have a lot of problems with how NAIA runs its business, but these guys did earn their wins.  If you're saying he's third in the NCAA in wins, that's fine, but I wish, especially in an official statement to Congress, he'd get his wording correct.  Then again, it is Congress.


This is with numbers before the season - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_men%27s_basketball_coaches_with_600_wins
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2016, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 06, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on February 06, 2016, 01:22:59 AM

Fellow Centennial Conference Fans -

F. Y. I. See the following link regarding GRob's recent accomplishment:

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20160203nspy4c (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20160203nspy4c)

Eric

I'm as big an NAIA hater as anyone, but it drives me a little nuts we keep saying G-Rob is the third to 900 wins.  There are three guys in NAIA who have over 900 - two are active, one is ahead of Coach K.  I have a lot of problems with how NAIA runs its business, but these guys did earn their wins.  If you're saying he's third in the NCAA in wins, that's fine, but I wish, especially in an official statement to Congress, he'd get his wording correct.  Then again, it is Congress.


This is with numbers before the season - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_men%27s_basketball_coaches_with_600_wins

Almost everything I have seen from F&M and certainly everything I have said on Hoopsville indicates NCAA... and certainly not all encompassing with the NAIA. If some Congressional lackey wrote a quick script wasn't paying attention to that fact... count me NOT surprised.

If you really want to become a stickler, and I have tried to point this out, we add in women's coaches and the list gets a little more crowded as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 06, 2016, 07:47:03 PM
Tremendous game at Swarthmore.  In a nip and tuck battle with numerous lead changes, F&M was able to eke out a 72-66 victory.  With numerous players in foul trouble and an injury to Moune,  F&M's subs were able to keep the score close waiting for the second half to begin. Swarthmore went into the locker room with a 1 point lead.  Terrel Phelps, Hines, McGrath and Levy provided key minutes.  Hunter Eggers keyed F&M's scoring in the first half as he played with 4 subs, while Tate, Federici, and Owana sat on the bench with 2 fouls each and Moune spent numerous minutes with the trainer trying to get a nosebleed stopped.  Stern was unable to suit up due to illness.  In the second half Federici took over scoring 27 points helping Hunter who scored 21 points.  Cedric was able to come up with 8 rebounds despite continued pain from his shoulder and face. Walsh, Yonda, Brennan, and Cousineau kept the game close as they each scored in double figures.  Walsh, also, grabbed 10 rebounds as he took advantage of Moune's absence.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 07, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
Exciting game at McDaniel vs UC last night in a battle for the 5 seed.  A tough loss for the Bears which all but ended their playoff run. The loss really stings because they played very well in a tough venue for 35 minutes and led by 12, 64-52 with 4:33 to play.  McDaniel rang up 13 unanswered points and won 65-64.  Ursinus had a possession just before the buzzer but could not inbound the ball cleanly and thus did not convert.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 07, 2016, 04:23:58 PM
If there's any inconsistency, I see it among the refs and not the players of the Centennial.  This is the worst interp of rules I've ever seen, where weak teams rely on the charge and get that call, many times not deserved and on replay, hard to believe; cheesy touch fouls that shouldn't be whistled are sending teams into double bonus far too early , and refs are controlling the outcome of games--something that should never happen and is not in the spirit of the game.
This is not the way to prepare Centennial teams for post season play.  I've watched multiple rounds of NCAA tournament games first hand in many areas of the country over the past several years.  This way of officiating does not fly outside of this area, promotes soft play and bodes an early trip home for any of our teams if it continues.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2016, 04:30:10 PM
I agree on the charge calls.  No one can explain to me adequately what the arc under the basket has done to change the calling of a charge.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on February 07, 2016, 04:49:09 PM
The rules interpretation that I've witnessed of late gives an unfair advantage to the offensive player who puts his head down and drives through a well positioned defender who is retreating with his hands up to at least contest the low percentage shot attempt. What else is a defender to do? Should every poorly set up dribble drive move be defended by a "flop" lest one get called for ticky tack contact? Does the game really benefit from putting the officials in the position of determining a block verses charge call on every well defended drive attempt?

Or does the game benefit from retreating defenders putting up no resistance to a determined dribble drive, essentially conceding lay-ups? C'mon. The officials should let a well positioned defender defend the space he's worked hard to establish. As long as there is no reaching to initiate contact on the shot attempt, keep the whistle silent and play on. Stop rewarding poorly set up dribble drives and reward good defense.

I agree that soft play will not lead to success in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2016, 05:08:15 PM
This is what I read, but I don't see it being called this way.
1. Which defender does this rule apply to?

Forte: "Understand, this applies only to the secondary defender. The primary defender is defined as facing the player with the ball, and there's no required distance — I can be 30 feet from you, but if there's no one in front of us, I am the primary defender, as long as there is a clear path. The secondary defender is defined as picking up the offensive player."

2. Does the offensive player have immunity?

Forte: "If the secondary defender is in the (arc) and contact occurs, it could be a blocking foul, it could be an offensive foul or it could be incidental contact. If the secondary defender comes over and is in the restricted area, there are exceptions to the rule. If the offensive player wipes him out with the arm — wipeout is the extension of the arm from the elbow to the wrist — or if I drive and unnaturally use my knee to push him out or my foot to kick him, offensive foul. Now, we know when an offensive player drives to the basket, the natural move is to put their knee up; that is not an offensive foul. The offensive foul comes when I deliberately use it unnaturally."

3. How does this apply on a fast break?

Forte: "As we know, a fast break is when the defense is outnumbered, a 2-on-1 or 3-on-2. On the fast break, all defenders are considered secondary defenders. If he's in the restricted area and there's contact, it'll be a block (save for the exceptions). If he's outside the restricted area and there's contact, it's a normal basketball play — could be a block, could be an offensive foul.

4. Is the arc treated like the baseline/sideline?

Forte: "If you're on the line, you are in. If I'm a secondary defender and I see the offensive player coming and I realize my heels are on the line and I lift up (and raise my heels), I'm still considered on the line."

5. How do we know if the referee is basing the block/charge decision on the arc?

Forte: "This is the mechanic: The lead (official) will raise his arm indicating we have a foul. He will point to the restricted area indicating and letting everybody know that's a restricted-area play. ... If he's outside the area, the slot referee can come in and tell the lead that it's not a restricted-area play, they would change the call and play on. That's why this point is important. The reason why it can be changed is it's a rule that it can. This is not reviewable by replay."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2016, 05:19:43 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2016, 04:30:10 PM
I agree on the charge calls.  No one can explain to me adequately what the arc under the basket has done to change the calling of a charge.

The arc is going out another foot next year, I think (maybe I'm wrong).  That should help a lot, because it won't just be under the rim.  Players will really have to be aware of where they are as defenders.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2016, 10:44:50 PM
Supposedly the rule only applies to the secondary defender not the primary.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 08, 2016, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: Team First on February 07, 2016, 04:49:09 PM
The rules interpretation that I've witnessed of late gives an unfair advantage to the offensive player who puts his head down and drives through a well positioned defender who is retreating with his hands up to at least contest the low percentage shot attempt. What else is a defender to do? Should every poorly set up dribble drive move be defended by a "flop" lest one get called for ticky tack contact? Does the game really benefit from putting the officials in the position of determining a block verses charge call on every well defended drive attempt?

Or does the game benefit from retreating defenders putting up no resistance to a determined dribble drive, essentially conceding lay-ups? C'mon. The officials should let a well positioned defender defend the space he's worked hard to establish. As long as there is no reaching to initiate contact on the shot attempt, keep the whistle silent and play on. Stop rewarding poorly set up dribble drives and reward good defense.

I agree that soft play will not lead to success in the NCAA tournament.


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From what I've witnessed I can't agree on unfair advantage to the offense on charges.  I've seen exactly the opposite as far as calls go, with less skilled or lazy defenders sliding into the path of the man going to the basket without getting set, flopping, and receiving calls that should never be made.   Same with guards driving and dishing, where the defender on the guard flops and gets the call.  It's cheap basketball, not skill basketball.

I agree with the second part of your statement though, and wholeheartedly.  Give me good stand up defense any day, and don't whistle players for playing great by the book defense. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 08, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
You guys are wiser than me if you can detect any rhyme or reason to the charge vs. defensive foul criteria.  I've always thought it has more to do with the particular crew of refs and how their last game went.  Or what they had for breakfast.  Some games they call offensive fouls, sometimes they hit the defense.  Sometimes they call the game tight, sometimes they let things go.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 08, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
I'm not wiser.  I'm still confused.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2016, 12:37:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 07, 2016, 05:19:43 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2016, 04:30:10 PM
I agree on the charge calls.  No one can explain to me adequately what the arc under the basket has done to change the calling of a charge.

The arc is going out another foot next year, I think (maybe I'm wrong).  That should help a lot, because it won't just be under the rim.  Players will really have to be aware of where they are as defenders.

Yes, D1 is playing with the four-foot arc this year... DII and DIII have a year to implement the arc - thus next year it will be in place officially (some floors already have it installed due to waxing and painting plans).

Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2016, 10:44:50 PM
Supposedly the rule only applies to the secondary defender not the primary.

Right, because 99% of the time the primary defender is next to, in front of, or trailing the player with the ball. There is no way they can get into or near the arc if the player they are defending isn't there already. So thus, the arc restrictions are for the secondary defender who is trying to cut down the play and help the primary defender who has probably been beaten on the play.

The reason this is important is if there is a post-play at or inside the arc, there is a primary defender in position already... thus the refs aren't going to worry about the arc because the offensive player didn't enter the area... he was already there.

The rule is actually pretty simple:
- The defender has to have declared their position with their feet OUTSIDE the arc and not moving (shifting side to side, shuffling their feet, etc.)
- The defender has to be in that position BEFORE the offensive player is going up with the ball - in other words, two steps prior to the offensive player picking up his dribble. Once the offensive player picks up his dribble while going to the basket, the lane and path is now in the offensive player's advantage and any defender then entering that lane is going to be called for the foul.
- If the defender is INSIDE the arc, it doesn't matter when the defender got there - they are out of position. This was put in to keep there from being offensive charge calls on defenders parked UNDER the basket clearly in absolutely no defensive position to stop an offensive player already attacking the rim. The defensive player is just looking for a charge and had no hopes of affecting the play otherwise. If a defender is inside the arc, it is either a block or no call/play on.

I have seen no problems with this rule. It took some adjusting to it and they have determined when the offensive player has gained ownership of the lane to the basket, but otherwise this rule hasn't changed much in the years it has been in place. A defender has to be in position before an offensive player can't do anything about getting out of the way.

Strangely enough, this is very similar to the "shooting space" rule in women's lacrosse, but that does have some other ramifications that make that rule far more confusing. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 09, 2016, 04:54:23 PM
Understand the rule and like the rule.  I don't understand the calls I've seen all season that don't support the rule.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:55:49 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 10, 2016, 02:19:12 PM
How can Lancaster Bible not be ranked anywhere?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
Their SOS is .421 which kills them and the Results Versus Regionally Ranked Opponents is part of the criteria not able to be used this week (due to the fact there is no data). Now that there are Regional Rankings, vRRO will become a factor and Lancaster Bible's win over F&M will give them a little bit of a boost.

That being said, they are in trouble. That SOS is nearly the worst in the country. There is a very real chance that they lose their first game in the conference title game and get left out. I hope it doesn't happen, but trends and other data make me worry it could happen. Their conference is killing them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2016, 03:54:56 PM

They can't lose.  There's no way they even get to the table for Pool C.  That conference is just terrible.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 10, 2016, 04:40:30 PM
F&M/Ursinus postponed to Monday due to a stomach flu at Ursinus. Makes an already though week for F&M next week even harder.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 10, 2016, 07:54:12 PM
Long round trip for nothing.  Four hours for no game.  Fortunately, there was no problem finding parking.  Eight games in eight days does make a tough week for F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 11, 2016, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on December 11, 2015, 12:05:18 PM
I don't know what financial packages you're talking about.  One of the biggest complaints is the lack of financial support for the players.  Most of the parents talk about the better offers they had from other schools.  Several of F&M's current players are getting no financial aid.

This is actually not true. Check out their International packages, low income packages, their free academic tuition packages for minorities. They have packages no one can touch.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 11, 2016, 11:27:01 AM
The packages are good, but don't necessarily go to athletes.  Talk to several of the parents of the players.  Several of them are not getting a cent.  F&M has lost numerous  players to other CC teams over the years due to getting a better financial package from other schools.  Having worked there, I know some of the situations.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2016, 02:03:06 PM

Big second half (52 points) last night for Dickinson, getting a road win at Gettysburg.  There's a chance the devils could pop into third (maybe 2nd) if they finish strong.  What once looked to be a three horse race for first, now seems that way for second, third, fourth, and fifth.  Interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2016, 12:50:16 PM

Just behind center court for the JHU-F&M men's game today.  Looking forward to a good matchup.  My second time to see the Dips in person this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2016, 12:52:42 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 13, 2016, 12:50:16 PM

Just behind center court for the JHU-F&M men's game today.  Looking forward to a good matchup.  My second time to see the Dips in person this year.

You might look up Reserved Seat while you're there; I would think a veteran F&M staffer could point him out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2016, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 13, 2016, 12:52:42 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 13, 2016, 12:50:16 PM

Just behind center court for the JHU-F&M men's game today.  Looking forward to a good matchup.  My second time to see the Dips in person this year.

You might look up Reserved Seat while you're there; I would think a veteran F&M staffer could point him out.

Ha... he is sitting behind Hoops Fan and I. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 13, 2016, 06:45:13 PM
Good game at JHU.  F&M jumped to an early lead as JHU started their seniors for their last home game.  JHU soon took the lead and built about a 10 point lead before F&M took a one point lead at the half.  F&M built on their lead until they had about a 10 point lead which JHU then started to cut into.  The game went back and forth until the game was tied with 33 seconds left.  JHU hit a lay up forcing F&M to foul leading to a 4 point lead.  Federici was fouled and made the first and tried to miss the second hoping to get the back on a rebound.  That did not happen.
F&M had balanced scoring from 4 of the starters as Federici, Eggers, Tate, and Moune all reach 12 or more. 
With JHU controlling  the boards 39 to 25 and careless ball handling by F&M, JHU defeated F&M 74-69.  Billups was a major factor  blocking 6 shots and altering many more.  F&M, also, had no answer rfor Curran off the bench.  Moune was saddled with foul trouble and spent time on the bench as JHU closed the gap in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2016, 09:43:53 PM
I turned to Hoops Fan the moment Moune picked up his fourth and said that JHU had to take advantage. 30 seconds later they basically took the lead.

Good game for Hopkins. They are bigger in person then I remember... not sure how that happens all of the time. LOL

F&M is a good team, but you will read in Monday's blog... they aren't a Top 25 team right now. Good pieces, but a few holes, and plenty of inconsistency. Going to keep improving and going to be very dangerous soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 14, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
With Swat's loss, F&M has all but wrapped up hosting.  So the tournament will return to Lancaster after a 3 year absence.   Swat's schedule gets easier for its last two games but it looks like the battle for the 3-4-5 seeds is going to the wire.  Gettysburg seems to have hit the wall at the wrong time, going 2-4 in their last six games, with their only wins over Haverford and Wash Coll.  The Bullets have looked tired and things arent about to get easier with their last 2 games at F&M and McDaniel.   They will also have to makeup a game with Ursinus.  What is the story at Ursinus?  Heard the campus is down with the flu?



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
F&M should host if they win one more.  Swarthmore, Gettysburg, and F&M could still tie and it would come down to a tie breaker.
One article  on Ursinus  http://www.examiner.com/article/ursinus-college-stomach-bug-sickens-nearly-200-students-dining-hall-to-blame
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 12:08:05 PM
Getting these games in with Ursinus, which have affects on standings and tie-breakers, is going to be a nightmare if they can't play tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 14, 2016, 12:39:00 PM
If there isn't a comfort level with playing games at Ursinus, could a neutral site could be found? And for mine, I'd rather beg a key and potty at the Sunoco station than risk that exposure. BUT---  Need to get those games in!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2016, 01:01:01 PM
Not a time of year you want your team exposed to an unknown contagion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: givengo on February 14, 2016, 12:39:00 PM
If there isn't a comfort level with playing games at Ursinus, could a neutral site could be found? And for mine, I'd rather beg a key and potty at the Sunoco station than risk that exposure. BUT---  Need to get those games in!

It's more than just playing AT Ursinus... health commission won't let the team LEAVE Ursinus... so neutral court doesn't matter at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 14, 2016, 04:11:43 PM
Wow, my apologies--that sounds ominous. I truly thought they'd find it a case of large scale food poisoning; in and of itself not pleasant.  Have there been any new cases beyond that massive initial group?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 15, 2016, 12:11:24 PM
My understanding is that they think it is the Noro virus which is wicked but short term.  How it arrived on campus, they don't know and probably never will.  It is highly contagious but short term so hopefully it has run its course. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2016, 01:33:28 PM
Gabriel,
What's the status of tonight's game?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 15, 2016, 02:04:11 PM
Reserved Seat,

Postponed due to weather conditions
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
Thanks
It's going to be a real challenge to get in all the games for Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2016, 02:50:17 PM

Just curious for you guys who see a lot more conference games than I do - who's your pick for freshman of the year?

I see two or three guys who've got good stats, but I haven't even seen them all on video this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 15, 2016, 03:08:55 PM
If F&M wins Wednesday or Saturday, could F&M/Ursinus just be canceled?
I know it's not ideal for either team, but it wouldn't matter CC Tournament seedings wise and Gettysburg/Ursinus would.
I'm not sure how the 1 game not missing might affect F&M (albeit tiny) at-large NCAA chances.
Ursinus has, what, 4 games that need to be played in 6, 7, maybe 8, days.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 15, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
Keep in mind, Ursinus has not been eliminated and they are still in the hunt.  Would it be fair to start canceling games?  I think not!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 15, 2016, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 15, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
Keep in mind, Ursinus has not been eliminated and they are still in the hunt.  Would it be fair to start canceling games?  I think not!
I thought Ursinus was eliminated, but since that's clearly not the case then it has to be played (but that doesn't mean the game won't matter by Saturday). I didn't look as closely at the records as I should have.

Glad I don't work in scheduling for Ursinus....

and now that I've written this, something is somehow going to come down to this game....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2016, 07:13:32 PM

Got word from Ursinus (I think the schedule is updated on d3hoops.com) - F&M tomorrow (Tuesday), @ Haverford Wednesday, Muhlenberg Saturday, and @ Gettysburg on Monday.  Four games in seven nights - all of them will mean something (even if Ursinus gets eliminated, it'll matter for opponents).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2016, 09:54:02 PM
Certainly makes a tough schedule for all the teams involved.  F&M now has to play a game the night before their key game with Gettysburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2016, 01:04:59 AM
Gets them ready for the Centennial tournament and possibly the NCAA tournament, wouldn't you think? If they can't handle this, they aren't going to handle the rest of the season very well is my thinking.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 16, 2016, 01:48:40 AM
i agree dave
g-rob will have them ready
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2016, 10:18:43 AM
Not so much getting ready, but the recovery for the players who are playing with significant injuries.  Back to back games are expected for the playoffs, but the less you have to play the better.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2016, 10:53:15 AM
That doesn't necessarily hold water. Do you want to count up how many conferences play on back-to-back nights all season long (or at least twice a weekend)? To be honest, some of the best teams and conferences in the country play difficult schedules. Doesn't seem to bother them.

Yes, the players are used to playing a different schedule in this conference... but one extra week isn't the end of the world I would hope. If anything, it may give coaches an early alert as to whether they can handle the schedule... which may be a benefit.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2016, 12:49:26 PM

Or that no other teams really can complain when Ursinus has to play four games in seven nights.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 16, 2016, 03:22:19 PM
Most teams, and especially the juniors and seniors on those teams have nagging injuries by this point in the season. So it's probably more of a level playing field than you imagine.  Players grit it out and don't let anyone know if they can help it because they just want to play the game.  My sons have played through tonsillitis, sesamoiditis (inflamed small bones of the feet), and stress fractures among other things-- I only found out later when it was time to pick up the pieces. Toughest guys I know.
Same goes for make up games.  We worry more about it than they do.  Hopkins plays tonight and tomorrow, Dickinson just played three games in five days, and Ursinus takes the cake.  Sometimes it gets them into a groove and they play better than they would have.  I admire them all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 16, 2016, 03:32:35 PM
Well said by all.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2016, 09:49:30 PM

F&M locked up #1 tonight.  Ursinus is technically still alive, although they need to win all three remaining games and have pretty much everyone else lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2016, 11:02:55 PM
In an unusual game at Ursinus, F&M only suited up 9 players, while Ursinus only suited up 8.  F&M had a comfortable double digit lead most of the way, until a string of errant uncontested passes lead to a run by Ursinus to close the gap to 3.  F&M then calmed down and opened up a breathable lead.  In the first half despite a tough and physical defense by Ursinus, F&M shot no foul shots.  Federici and Beins both fouled out for F&M.  F&M only shot 5 foul shots in the second half until the closing minute.  Both teams had difficulty shooting, especially Ursinus on foul shots.
Also, unusual Terrell Phelps and Kevin Beins lead F&M's scoring with 17 and 14 points each.  Janicot played a tough game with 14 rebounds and 17 points.  LoStracco played a very physical game under the boards picking up 7 rebounds and preventing F&M from collaring many.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 17, 2016, 04:29:02 PM
Reserved,

Congratulations to the Dips for winning the right to host!  The game last night was kind of a reflection of the season for the Bears. The positives----- good team play, lots of energy and  effort, good rebounding and continued development of the three sophomore starters---Rafferty, Janicot and Lo Strocco.  The negatives include the season ending injuries to Matt Knowles and Zach Muredda, poor free throw shooting and, of course, turnovers.  On balance, I "m optimistic and think the Bears will be a major player next year and the years thereafter.  I am impressed with the character of this team and their desire to do things the right way.  I will always believe that unselfish team play trumps individualism every time.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 17, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
Tonight in Baltimore was another in the ongoing  line of Dickinson vs Hopkins nailbiting classics.  Although much of the lineups have changed, the game felt  similar to last years championship game.  Dickinson outplayed Hopkins and led big with 10 mins to go. Hopkins then mounted a furious rally that fell just short, and the game ended on a missed Hopkins 3 for the win.   

Dickinson clinches a playoff berth with the win and has a shot at the 3 seed due to the Gettysburg loss.  Pretty amazing considering where they were 3 weeks ago.  Hopkins now needs to win out and get help to make the playoffs.     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 17, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
F&M lead the whole as they started with a 10-0 run and increased the lead to 33-11.  Gettysburg started to fight back and cut the gap to 38-27 at the half.  Gettysburg continued to fight back in the second half, twice getting the game down to a 4 point difference, but could never quite close the gap.  F&M finished off the game for a 71-60 game, as Gettysburg ended the game with a long 3-point shot.
F&M worked the inside game early punching the ball in Moune who eventually ended the game with 18 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, and 4 blocks. Federici added 17 points and Tate tossed in 13 and added 9 assists.  With Owana out of the game due to injury, his subs Hines, Jordan Phelps, and Beins combined for 19 points and 12 rebounds.
Gettysburg fought back putting 4 players in double figures lead by England with 15.  Kirkpatrick played a solid game with 11 points and 8 rebounds plus good defense on Moune in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 18, 2016, 11:29:28 AM
Okay gang. So what are the playoff implications right now and tie breakers, if it comes to that?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 18, 2016, 08:00:17 PM
Best I can do:     F&M and Swat are set at 1 and 2.  Muhlenberg and Ursinus are out.  Hopkins gets in only if Gettysburg loses to McDaniel and Ursinus and Hopkins beats Wash Coll.   Dickinson has the tiebreak over McDaniel (because Dickinson beat Swat) but not Gettysburg, so if Gettysburg wins out and Dickinson loses at F&M, Gettysburg gets the 3 seed and Dickinson falls to the 4 seed. If Dickinson beats F&M or McDaniel beats Gettysburg, Dickinson is the 3 seed.  If Gettysburg beats McDaniel they lock up the 4 seed with a chance to get to 3 by beating Ursinus on Monday.  If McDaniel beats Gettysburg then McDaniel locks up the 4, with Dickinson the 3 and Gettysburg the 5.   

Think thats right.  So the games to watch for playoff seeding purposes on Sat. are, in order of importance:   (1) McDaniel v. Gettysburg;(2) Dickinson v. F&M; (3) Hopkins v. Wash Coll.     

Good night.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2016, 07:16:41 AM
Official tie-breaking rules
Tie-Breaker Format
1. All seeds other than the final seed will be determined by applying the following criteria in the order listed:
a. head-to-head Centennial Conference competition among the tied teams;
b. team with the best record vs. teams in descending order of standing (1st place, 2nd, etc.);
c. coin flip by the Executive Director;
d. once the above criteria have been used to reduce the number of tied teams, they will be used again on the teams that remain tied.
2. Ties for the final playoff seed will be determined by applying the following criteria in the order listed:
a. head-to-head Conference competition among the tied teams;
b. team with the best record vs. teams in descending order of standing (1st place, 2nd, etc.). It should be noted
that if 1 (c) above had to be used to break a tie between teams, those teams will be considered as tied for purposes of
applying this tie-breaker;
c. once the above criteria have been used to reduce the number of tied teams, they will be used again on the teams
that remain tied;
d. if the application of 2(a), 2(b) and 2(c) does not determine the final seed for the playoffs, a tie-breaker game will
be played. The host for the game will be determined through a coin flip by the Executive Director. It should be noted that, under the provisions of criteria 2, a tie-breaker game would only be played if the teams had split their head-to-head games, and the tied teams' records were identical against every other team in the Conference. The rationale of 2(d) is that a tiebreaker game should be held if, and only if, the only other possible way to determine the final playoff team was a coin flip.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2016, 05:18:24 PM

Well, Ursinus still has a little chance to play spoiler.

F&M is #1, Swat is #2, but thanks to the win today, Dickinson can be #3 if Gettysburg loses on Monday - a Gburg win makes Dickinson #4 - JHU is #5.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 20, 2016, 07:41:10 PM
Actually, no.  Dickinson clinched the 3 seed by beating F&M.  Gettysburg and Dickinson both split with F&M, but Gettysburg lost to Swat 2x. Dickinson split with Swat.  Gettysburg would have the tiebreaker with Dickinson only if Dickinson lost to F&M.  So the playoff seeds are set, and McDaniel travels to Gettysburg Wednesday night.   I would expect the Gettysburg bench to see a lot of action against Ursinus on Monday night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 20, 2016, 10:15:38 PM
In a game with playoff implications for Dickinson, the Red Devils held on for a 88-86 win in OT.  With a chance to win it in regulation, two misses forced the game into overtime--a missed call on a goal tending call against F&M and a missed free throw which would have given F&M a 3 point lead with time running down.  A 2 point shot by Dickinson in the last seconds sent the game into overtime.  Most of the stats were fairly even except for rebounds which F&M controlled 46-32 and shooting percentage by Dickinson.  Hinnenkamp put up 25 points before fouling out.  Angradi added 29 points including one big three from long range as the shot clock ran down.  Wright chipped with 16 points for the Red Devils.  F&M almost put up 3 double/doubles with Moune scoring 26 and grabbing 10 rebounds.  Hines had 12 of each, and Eggers added 21 points and 9 rebounds.  Federici scored 15 points before fouling out.  The Red Devils' bench outscored the F&M bench 27-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 22, 2016, 12:53:24 PM
Watched the block by Romocki in slow mo later, a few times to be certain before I spoke --I concur the call made was correct, not a goal tend.  Ball was traveling in an upward trajectory when it was blocked onto the glass.  Calls pretty much fell both ways in that game with some other exceptions... when the ball rolls out of bounds off of Moune's prostrate body on the endline and is given back to F&M.  And, Moune shot 15 foul shots while Hinnenkamp's 25 included only 2 points from a single trip to the foul line--in an overtime game. Moune was legitimately fouled several times but was also the recipient of many soft calls away from the ball. Ted should have received a few more calls as Hines did a lot of two handed pushing, taking Hinnenkamp off of his feet more than once, arm bars to the back etc.  Moune also got away with a few on review, running through Picka and pushing him off his feet with both hands.  We could argue until the cows come home but it was not a poorly called game and in fact the edge went to F&M.
Shawn Hines played the best I've ever seen him play.  Frankly I've never given him much credit but he was the guy who kept F & M in the game, and if I was the F&M coach I'd award him the game ball.  He picked up all the garbage, played smart and strong, even though he got away with a little more than he should have.
The Red Devils are an extremely young team, and for them to go into a hostile gym on both the host team's senior day, along with the advertised celebration of that coaches 900th victory and to maintain their composure and bring it home in overtime--well, they deserve every accolade they get. 
Coach Robinson's family, and in fact any family of a long time NCAA coach, deserves to be recognized for their sacrifices along the way.  It takes a village to build and maintain a team, and his wife, children and extended F&M family I am sure have made many sacrifices to bolster the program to its epic record. Kudos to them and I hope they took the day as it was, just another day in the life of a coach.
But, it was an epic day in the life of a player.  It validated that young Dickinson team and so I say, let the games begin.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 22, 2016, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: givengo on February 22, 2016, 12:53:24 PM

But, it was an epic day in the life of a player.  It validated that young Dickinson team and so I say, let the games begin.

I say your absolutely right. Red Devils have been playing the best ball in the league for the last month. They needed time to put the pieces around Hinnenkamp and Angradi together, but now that they have, they've been rolling.

Should be a great tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 22, 2016, 04:21:42 PM
Brandon Angradi was huge in the win, and showed his versatility.  Not only did he hit from three but drove and finished well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 23, 2016, 08:59:21 AM
Saw the Dickinson v F&M game on video. Heckuva game.  Its always tempting after a close loss to pick out a questionable call against you and think you would have won if only the came had been "correctly" called.  There were some tough calls both ways but that didnt decide the game.  F&M actually shot pretty well from the line, which has not been their trademark in the past.  The crucial plays I saw were Seretti's decision at the end of regulation to trust the freshman Wright instead of Hinnenkamp or Angradi to take the last shot, and F &M with 2 bad turnovers on the baseline late  in OT. 

F&M is  still the clear favorite in the playoffs, but Dickinson might be the most dangerous 13-12 team in the country.  Kudos to them -- it would have been easy when they were 2-9 to pack it in and hang a "rebuilding" sign on the season. 

The F&M announcers were practically salivating for a Dickinson v. F&M final.   Can't blame them, but some other teams may have something to say about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2016, 10:40:54 AM
I don't know if F&M can be called the clear favorite.  They split with Dickinson and Gettysburg, and they had close games with Swarthmore.  Dickinson's split was a 2 point game home and away with both teams winning away.  If F&M and Dickinson meet on Saturday, it should be another war. 
No one said a questionable call won the game.  I said two key misses near the end of the game forced it into overtime.  The game was physical throughout.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 23, 2016, 06:18:45 PM
Playoff video chat taking place tonight at 8pm between the conferences broadcasters to break down the Centennial men's and women's playoff tournaments


http://www.centennial.org/basketballchat2016
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:18:40 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 26, 2016, 07:41:26 AM
So, who is everyone picking to win tonight?  And for the championship? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 26, 2016, 09:58:13 PM
Quote from: givengo on February 26, 2016, 07:41:26 AM
So, who is everyone picking to win tonight?  And for the championship?
I had Dickinson and F&M, but clearly that was wrong....
So F&M over Swat tomorrow in a close one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 26, 2016, 10:45:49 PM
In the first game for the Centennial Conference championship, Swarthmore held off Dickinson to win 77-73.  Swarthmore built an early lead and ended up taking a 10 point lead into the locker room at half.  Dickinson tried to cut into lead, but Swarthmore held on to win by 4.  Walsh played a solid game in the paint and ended up with a double double-22 points and 11 rebounds.  Swarthmore got some early threes to build their half time lead.  Dickinson's comeback was thwarted by too many turnovers and the scrappy play of Swarthmore.


In the second game, F&M built a 12 point halftime lead and then traded baskets with Gettysburg in the second half.  Moune had a double double with 18 points and 12 rebounds coming up 7 points shy of 1,000. Tate, Federici, and Eggers all contributed double figures in points.  F&M tenacious defense picked up 12 steals.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 27, 2016, 12:56:30 AM
A workmanlike job by F&M, Gettysburg came out fast but F&M weathered the early flurry and took control.  Eggers provided a spark and Moune made the Bullets pay for leaving him alone at the foul line, nailing jumper after jumper in the first half.  Gettysburg battled but F&M was never in danger in the 2d.  Refs let the teams play.

Much more interesting was the Swat win.  !st half Dickinson regressed to their bad early season self, with listless defense and  pointless fouls.  Swat shot well and pushed the lead out to 15 before Dickinson woke up and started defending hard late in the first half.  Game was tied by 10 min. mark in the 2d but Swat held off Devils with strong post play by Walsh, and good FT shooting.  Refs called the game very close (Swat had 33 FTs) which helped Swat hold Dickinson at bay as the game got close.  Still, Dickinson had the ball down 2 with 22 secs left and for some reasons came out of the timeout and Angradi launched a tightly contested  3 with 16 secs. left.  Way off, Swat rebounded and made 2 fts to put it out of reach.  Even if the shot  went in it was a bad play as Swat had plenty of time to come down the floor for a shot at the win.  Thought they would hold the ball to the 8 sec. mark and drive Hinnenkamp at the rim to score or dish like they did against F&M last week. The announcers were baffled and so was I.  Don't know if that was the play drawn up or something went wrong but either way a tough end to Dickinson's cinderella ride. 

I thought Dickinson vs. F&M had the makings of a classic final matchup of speed vs power.  Sorry but I don't feel that way about Swat. THeir discipline, strong fundamentals, and shooting range will prevent a blowout but unlike Dickinson, F&M has a strong front court that can defend the rim.   If the refs call the game tight that will help Swat stay close, otherwise its F&M pulling away and winning by double digits as Swat's 3 point shooters tire in the second half .     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on February 27, 2016, 06:31:38 PM
 Not sure what was up in the first half last night with the Devils--they were flat, but they were in the game at the end. I too, thought they'd have gone for the tie and overtime.  That last play is a question mark. Swat's coach did a great job of preparing his guys for that game, and Dickinson fouled way too much and missed some opportunities.  Still a great resurrection of a season for Dickinson, and just a point or two short of continuing.
I agree with Poly Math.  No offense to Swat but I think the tougher match up would have been FM/Dickinson as there is no love lost between them and I think F&M has a harder time matchup wise with the Red Devils.  Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but I predict Moune will get more whistles than Robbie, and that seems to be deciding a lot of games.  I think Swat might have spent what they had in the bank last night.  I'm rooting for the underdog anyway because if by chance Swat wins, I hope/think F&M gets an at large bid, and that's great for the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
F&M dominated the first 10 minutes taking a 29-5 lead before Swarthmore found their game and trade baskets until the half.  F&M took a 24 point into the dressing room at half with Moune and Federici playing great ball.  Then the second half started and the Garnet came out with a dialed up intensity.  They scored the first 12 points before F&M got back on the board.  With this new found intensity, Swarthmore cut the lead to one with a chance to take the lead.  At that point F&M found a way to hang on and win by 11--75-64.  Swarthmore desired a lot of  respect for not packing in the second half.  Loeffler lead Swarthmore with 18 points.  Walsh grabbed 9 rebounds but not enough to beat the combination of Moune and Owona who had 9 each.  Moune added 21 points and Tate and Federici added 19 each.  The foul calls were interesting to say the least.  Federici couldn't get a foul call in the second half.  Swarthmore should be a force in the upcoming years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2016, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
F&M dominated the first 10 minutes taking a 29-5 lead before Swarthmore found their game and trade baskets until the half.  F&M took a 24 point into the dressing room at half with Moune and Federici playing great ball.  Then the second half started and the Garnet came out with a dialed up intensity.  They scored the first 12 points before F&M got back on the board.  With this new found intensity, Swarthmore cut the lead to one with a chance to take the lead.  At that point F&M found a way to hang on and win by 11--75-64.  Swarthmore desired a lot of  respect for not packing in the second half.  Loeffler lead Swarthmore with 18 points.  Walsh grabbed 9 rebounds but not enough to beat the combination of Moune and Owona who had 9 each.  Moune added 21 points and Tate and Federici added 19 each.  The foul calls were interesting to say the least.  Federici couldn't get a foul call in the second half.  Swarthmore should be a force in the upcoming years.

You got your travelling shoes?  I predict the Dips are headed to Ohio for opening weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2016, 09:58:52 PM
If I have to, I've gone further.  :)  I've only missed 5 games in the last 11 years.  All with legit excuses.  Over 35 years since I've missed a home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2016, 10:02:28 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2016, 09:58:52 PM
If I have to, I've gone further.

Anywhere's better than MMA? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2016, 08:07:45 PM
Reserved Seat,
It's become a moot point with F&M winning the AQ, but Here's a link to ECAC declared teams for this year's tourney, F&M among them.
http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/mbkb/Championships/Division_III/2015-16/DIII_Men-s_Basketball_Declared_Teams.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2016, 09:48:05 PM
F&M was sent to MMA several years ago. I had a hotel room near the airport.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2016, 09:58:43 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2016, 09:48:05 PM
F&M was sent to MMA several years ago. I had a hotel room near the airport.

I was referring to the F&M fans' experience with the game site supervisor.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 29, 2016, 09:26:53 AM
Some comments.

Incredible CC final to experience. F&M played a great first half while I'm sure Swarthmore played their worst half. Garnet came out with an intensity and urgency that Dips didn't seem ready for and the role of playing great and poorly was reversed for 13 minutes and SWAT was to their credit got back in the game. Dips were rescued in large part by outstanding play by Tate down the stretch. Garnet appear to be a major force in the CC for at least the next 2 years, what a job done by the coaches and players. In the tournament the Dips must be ready for all teams to come after them like SWAT did the second half.

It seems as times have gone on the NCAA generally takes teams that are not seeded 1 or 2 in their region and sends most of them 5-7.5 hours away (that doesn't save money does it :)). Even though I have the time off I will consider skipping trips to Norfolk, VA, Marietta, OH, or Delaware, OH. Based on my location I would look forward to traveling to Oswego, New Jersey, Amherst and most of New England, and would love a trip to DC where I have family. Would accept the tough commutes to Lynchburg or Plattesburg. Even John Carroll I could consider but that is a long trip too. Unfortunately I usually don't get my preferred tournament sites (I know it's not about me), either hit the road or be disappointed and stay home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 29, 2016, 09:26:53 AM
Some comments.

Incredible CC final to experience. F&M played a great first half while I'm sure Swarthmore played their worst half. Garnet came out with an intensity and urgency that Dips didn't seem ready for and the role of playing great and poorly was reversed for 13 minutes and SWAT was to their credit got back in the game. Dips were rescued in large part by outstanding play by Tate down the stretch. Garnet appear to be a major force in the CC for at least the next 2 years, what a job done by the coaches and players. In the tournament the Dips must be ready for all teams to come after them like SWAT did the second half.

It seems as times have gone on the NCAA generally takes teams that are not seeded 1 or 2 in their region and sends most of them 5-7.5 hours away (that doesn't save money does it :)). Even though I have the time off I will consider skipping trips to Norfolk, VA, Marietta, OH, or Delaware, OH. Based on my location I would look forward to traveling to Oswego, New Jersey, Amherst and most of New England, and would love a trip to DC where I have family. Would accept the tough commutes to Lynchburg or Plattesburg. Even John Carroll I could consider but that is a long trip too. Unfortunately I usually don't get my preferred tournament sites (I know it's not about me), either hit the road or be disappointed and stay home.

  I share your pain; there's certainly enough diversity in our Mid-Atlantic that we can have 4 regions represented without having to travel more than 4 hours.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
Hotel room booked.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 29, 2016, 06:44:11 PM
D.B. Cooper, are you heading to Medford?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 29, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
RS. We are hoping to trying to make it work. Likely to be there.  Hope to see you there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 29, 2016, 09:26:53 AM
It seems as times have gone on the NCAA generally takes teams that are not seeded 1 or 2 in their region and sends most of them 5-7.5 hours away (that doesn't save money does it :)). Even though I have the time off I will consider skipping trips to Norfolk, VA, Marietta, OH, or Delaware, OH. Based on my location I would look forward to traveling to Oswego, New Jersey, Amherst and most of New England, and would love a trip to DC where I have family. Would accept the tough commutes to Lynchburg or Plattesburg. Even John Carroll I could consider but that is a long trip too. Unfortunately I usually don't get my preferred tournament sites (I know it's not about me), either hit the road or be disappointed and stay home.

This isn't your dad's NCAA Division III anymore. It has a far more national feel than the antiquated regional feel we had as late as the late 90s. The NCAA has evolved and coaches, administrators, presidents, and even fans want to see a tournament that feels more national and feels more like what it should be. So yes, the men's committee especially is taking advantage of the fact they can drive up to 499.9 miles without a flight (which are highly restricted) to give the tournaments a more national feel and scope.

I rather see teams playing teams not from their region or neighborhood on their way to a possible championship.

And yes, it costs about the same or the NCAA, especially in Division III, wouldn't allow it with its tight budget. A bus for a 100 miles versus 500 miles is usually going to be priced out the same as it is more about the driver and the equipment than the fuel. And hotel rooms and such are pretty standard.

Does sending teams 490 miles to another location always ring fair for fans? No of course not. But with the advent of video streaming it is far easier to follow teams than it used to be. And to have a diverse tournament allows for a more exciting tournament as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2016, 12:03:12 AM

Plus you could always end up like Lycoming and have to go 400 miles to CNU and still be on the same region.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2016, 12:53:40 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 01, 2016, 12:03:12 AM

Plus you could always end up like Lycoming and have to go 400 miles to CNU and still be on the same region.

Maybe Lycoming could appeal for being discriminated against by NOT being sent to another region which would be 100-250 miles closer(Stockton, John Carroll).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 01, 2016, 12:00:59 PM

As a Dickinson fan who has followed the team to Ohio--twice --and to Illinois as well as Virginia,  I have no problem at all with NCAA bracketology. You go where you need to go and you'd better be ready to play. 
I would like to see standardization among all host sites as far as ticket price and what that ticket entitles the holder to.  For most venues in my experience, your ticket entitles you to two games at the site for that evening.  At Randolph Macon last year for the Sweet Sixteen, our ticket entitled us to one game only and we were cleared from the gym before the second game.  It's my feeling that all tournament  host venues should be required to agree to the same ticket price and admissions policy, and it should be published as such. JMHO
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 12:52:58 PM
Quote from: givengo on March 01, 2016, 12:00:59 PM

As a Dickinson fan who has followed the team to Ohio--twice --and to Illinois as well as Virginia,  I have no problem at all with NCAA bracketology. You go where you need to go and you'd better be ready to play. 
I would like to see standardization among all host sites as far as ticket price and what that ticket entitles the holder to.  For most venues in my experience, your ticket entitles you to two games at the site for that evening.  At Randolph Macon last year for the Sweet Sixteen, our ticket entitled us to one game only and we were cleared from the gym before the second game.  It's my feeling that all tournament  host venues should be required to agree to the same ticket price and admissions policy, and it should be published as such. JMHO

Per the tickets - that is something the venue clears with the NCAA. Think about it from the NCAA's point of view: guarantees to sell out three games or two days? More money with three games to help offset the tournaments is going to win out. I think the mentality is that the ticket gets you into the game you are attending. You are getting a gift to see the other game. In the case of "split sessions," they are trying to help those fans who want to see their team. Would you want to explain to the visitors of the next game that they can't get into the game because you wanted to watch both and got your tickets first? Split sessions are not that common - handful every year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2016, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: givengo on March 01, 2016, 12:00:59 PM

As a Dickinson fan who has followed the team to Ohio--twice --and to Illinois as well as Virginia,  I have no problem at all with NCAA bracketology. You go where you need to go and you'd better be ready to play. 
I would like to see standardization among all host sites as far as ticket price and what that ticket entitles the holder to.  For most venues in my experience, your ticket entitles you to two games at the site for that evening.  At Randolph Macon last year for the Sweet Sixteen, our ticket entitled us to one game only and we were cleared from the gym before the second game.  It's my feeling that all tournament  host venues should be required to agree to the same ticket price and admissions policy, and it should be published as such. JMHO

Here are the minimum ticket prices:
2. Ticket Prices. Ticket prices will be determined by the tournament director in consultation
with the Division III Men's Basketball Committee championship manager, Elisa Halpin
(317-917-6909). Any special ticket plans or prices (for senior citizens, youth groups, etc.)
must be approved in advance by the NCAA championship manager.
Preliminary-Round Site. Minimum ticket prices shall be as follows:
First/Second Rounds Sectional Rounds
$10 -- Reserved $10 -- Reserved single session
$10 -- General admission $10 -- General admission single session
$5 -- Senior citizens, all students and children $5 -- Senior citizens, all students and children
Free – Under two Free – Under two
Semifinals/Final Site.
$15 Single-session adult $25 All-session adult
$7.50 Single-session student/youth/senior $12.50 All-session student/youth/senior
$5 Single-session group Free Under two
Free Under two
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 02, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
All CC teams announced:
http://centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/All-CC

Hinnenkamp POTY
Scibelli ROTY
Kosmalski COTY
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hooper on March 02, 2016, 01:13:18 PM
A travesty...  No Ursinus players listed???? They must reconsider....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 02, 2016, 02:00:11 PM


Per the tickets - that is something the venue clears with the NCAA. Think about it from the NCAA's point of view: guarantees to sell out three games or two days? More money with three games to help offset the tournaments is going to win out. I think the mentality is that the ticket gets you into the game you are attending. You are getting a gift to see the other game. In the case of "split sessions," they are trying to help those fans who want to see their team. Would you want to explain to the visitors of the next game that they can't get into the game because you wanted to watch both and got your tickets first? Split sessions are not that common - handful every year.
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Right and I get that.  I think it would be better AND more tickets would be sold if, beyond the first two rounds there was a larger minimum requirement for seating at host venues.  Case in point, both Wooster and Illinois Wesleyan must bus in fans from every old folks home within 50 miles.  Their fan base is incredible  ( heard cute little ladies with blue hair and padded seat in hand --at both venues, no less-- saying "they're in MY seat!")   and yet they never cleared a gym in either location.  I have no objection to buying a second ticket, but that would have been impossible at Randolph Macon. My issue is limited access and not a two for one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: givengo on March 02, 2016, 02:00:11 PM


Per the tickets - that is something the venue clears with the NCAA. Think about it from the NCAA's point of view: guarantees to sell out three games or two days? More money with three games to help offset the tournaments is going to win out. I think the mentality is that the ticket gets you into the game you are attending. You are getting a gift to see the other game. In the case of "split sessions," they are trying to help those fans who want to see their team. Would you want to explain to the visitors of the next game that they can't get into the game because you wanted to watch both and got your tickets first? Split sessions are not that common - handful every year.

Right and I get that.  I think it would be better AND more tickets would be sold if, beyond the first two rounds there was a larger minimum requirement for seating at host venues.  Case in point, both Wooster and Illinois Wesleyan must bus in fans from every old folks home within 50 miles.  Their fan base is incredible  ( heard cute little ladies with blue hair and padded seat in hand --at both venues, no less-- saying "they're in MY seat!")   and yet they never cleared a gym in either location.  I have no objection to buying a second ticket, but that would have been impossible at Randolph Macon. My issue is limited access and not a two for one.
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I'd guess they can tell when the home team will sell out, but it's got to be difficult to make that call as early as you need to make it, knowing that one of the other game's fans will sell out, too.  Some teams travel well, but it's not always enough to make a split ticket worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2016, 06:51:54 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 02, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: givengo on March 02, 2016, 02:00:11 PM


Per the tickets - that is something the venue clears with the NCAA. Think about it from the NCAA's point of view: guarantees to sell out three games or two days? More money with three games to help offset the tournaments is going to win out. I think the mentality is that the ticket gets you into the game you are attending. You are getting a gift to see the other game. In the case of "split sessions," they are trying to help those fans who want to see their team. Would you want to explain to the visitors of the next game that they can't get into the game because you wanted to watch both and got your tickets first? Split sessions are not that common - handful every year.

Right and I get that.  I think it would be better AND more tickets would be sold if, beyond the first two rounds there was a larger minimum requirement for seating at host venues.  Case in point, both Wooster and Illinois Wesleyan must bus in fans from every old folks home within 50 miles.  Their fan base is incredible  ( heard cute little ladies with blue hair and padded seat in hand --at both venues, no less-- saying "they're in MY seat!")   and yet they never cleared a gym in either location.  I have no objection to buying a second ticket, but that would have been impossible at Randolph Macon. My issue is limited access and not a two for one.

I'd guess they can tell when the home team will sell out, but it's got to be difficult to make that call as early as you need to make it, knowing that one of the other game's fans will sell out, too.  Some teams travel well, but it's not always enough to make a split ticket worth it.
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Furthermore, this would eliminate a lot of schools from ever hosting... causing the opening weekends to always be at the same venues year after year depending on bracketing and selections. That isn't fair to schools who could easily host with some small exceptions. The NCAA has even tried to find ways to get even smaller venues the opportunity just because this is Division III afterall.

As for the Randolph-Macon example from last year... that was also an extenuating circumstance. If VWC wasn't going to be in the pod or a possible match-up on Saturday, they probably wouldn't have asked for a split session. That rivalry dictated that. Heck, there were more VWC fans in that gym because of the way the NCAA allocates tickets then can get into that gym during the regular season. RMC was actually being more fair to VWC and less fair to their own fans in that circumstance.

I am willing to bet if Calvin was hosting the 2nd weekend and Hope was their match-up... they would ask for a split session and they can seat 5,000 easy! There are sometimes other factors in play that make these decisions different.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2016, 10:03:53 PM
Hooper, who would you remove?
I was surprised Moune wasn't the POTY--he was F&M's only effective post player on a team that finished first.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on March 02, 2016, 11:02:30 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2016, 10:03:53 PM
Hooper, who would you remove?
I was surprised Moune wasn't the POTY--he was F&M's only effective post player on a team that finished first.

I was a little surprised that Moune didn't win, but when you look at Hinnenkamp's case, you can see why he got it.....he elevated his game to over 20 points per game when Dickinson went on that win streak to end the season, and really willed that team into the playoffs.

And I don't see who you remove either...maybe Rindock? And even he had a very solid year.

Coach Kosmalski winning Coach Of The Year was good to see though.....his plan for that team finally came together this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
I agree with COTY
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 03, 2016, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2016, 10:03:53 PM
Hooper, who would you remove?
I was surprised Moune wasn't the POTY--he was F&M's only effective post player on a team that finished first.

Not a surprise to me.  I'd guess it could have been a close vote, but it WAS the vote of our conference coaches. POY isn't defined as best player on the team that finished first.  I think it's defined as the guy who gave coaches nightmares in every single game and regularly defied game plans, in other words THAT guy who could score, handle the ball,  see the floor for the assist, block and rebound.    Hinnenkamp played all five positions this season.  Not many 6'7 wings can do that, and do it quite the way he did.  His upside is higher than Moune's.  He was required to be a utility guy and his numbers still rose through the season, resulting in the regular season scoring title.  Probably a nightmare when it came to game plans.  His numbers could have been better in the early going but he was unselfish with young teammates, but good for him-and them.  The Devils really got it together after the learning curve and will be fierce next year.
Moune IS a really nice post player and deserves the respect he's getting.  He's not a Gerry Wixted with a step back three and all the other things that make a player multidimensional.  He's a great post player with excellent positioning, nice long arms and teammates who could get it inside.   Nice for F & M to finally get back to the dance for Moune's senior year.   And Congratulations to Coach Seretti on three straight POY's.  I'm sure other coaches in the Centennial have had that distinction, but maybe not with three different players in three successive years?   Each of those guys; Honig, Wixted, Hinnenkamp have been multidimensional and had to step outside the box for the good of the team.  Congrats to Coach Seretti,  to Ted, and to his teammates Wixted and and Honig who both preceded him in a well deserved accomplishment.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 03, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
Givengo,

Try this.  Ursinus dominted POY from 2001 through 2008 as follows:
2001 Barrett
2003 Luciano
2004 Stanton
2005 McGarvey
2006 McGarvey
2007 Shattuck
2008 Shattuck

I would say that is impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2016, 12:40:41 PM
F&M
1994--Janetta
1995--Janetta
1996--Henry
2000--Kraft
2001--Kraft(shared)
2010--McNally
2011--Milligan
2012--Milligan
2013--Gyokchyan
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 03, 2016, 01:38:10 PM
Impressive  yes, but to answer my question, I'm seeing  the 2003, 04, 05 run of Luciano, Stanton and McGarvey at Ursinus matches the three different players in three years just accomplished by Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2016, 01:54:39 PM
Folks, just five more hours to enter the men's D-III bracket challenge before tonight's tipoff!
https://d3challenge.com/login/register.php
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 03, 2016, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: givengo on March 03, 2016, 01:38:10 PM
Impressive  yes, but to answer my question, I'm seeing  the 2003, 04, 05 run of Luciano, Stanton and McGarvey at Ursinus matches the three different players in three years just accomplished by Dickinson.

Congratulations to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 04, 2016, 03:07:30 PM
Waiting for the gym to open.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 04, 2016, 09:39:27 PM
Despite playing a flawed first half, F&M went into the lockerroom with a 19 point lead.  Playing solid defense and being lead in scoring with Federici's 20 point, F&M built a comfortable margin even with Tate and Moune on the bench for extended minutes.  Skidmore was in trouble with several starters in foul trouble, but still in the game.  Over half of Skidmore's points came from the foul line.
The second half quickly saw a meltdown by F&M.  With no inside game due to Moune's being on the bench in foul trouble, Skidmore was able to double team the guards when ever they had the ball.  All the foul calls seemed to go Skidmore's way.  Skidmore made 28 of 33 fouls while F&M could only hit 20 of 32 giving themselves no chance on 1 and 1's.  F&M only had 12 points total from all 4 post players.  F&M could get any breaks on threes as several rimmed out.  In the second half, Skidmore was able to keep their starters out of foul trouble by sending in subs to contest every shot.  F&M's four post players were whistled for 18 fouls. Skidmore's bench outscored F&M's bench 31-5.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 05, 2016, 09:28:14 AM
sorry to see f&m lose and our conference bounced out of the ncaa's. joe burke is a good coach and has turned skidmore basketball into a competitive program.congrats to f&m and coach robinson on another strong season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 05, 2016, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 05, 2016, 09:28:14 AM
sorry to see f&m lose and our conference bounced out of the ncaa's. joe burke is a good coach and has turned skidmore basketball into a competitive program.congrats to f&m and coach robinson on another strong season.

Skidmore has a great program, but it was not Joe Burke's doing (Although he is a terrific coach). They had an incredible coach there before him: Luke Flockerzi who is now the U. of Rochester coach. He built them into winners. The Knicks held their camp there and Skidmore used it as a recruiting tool. It was so cool watching them practice. Skidmore College has a gorgeous campus. One of the three nicest campuses I have ever seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2016, 11:31:17 AM
I think Joe has been there long enough to also have an effect on the program. Maybe you meant it is not all Joe's doing... but Joe has clearly also helped change the tide of that program.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 05, 2016, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2016, 11:31:17 AM
I think Joe has been there long enough to also have an effect on the program. Maybe you meant it is not all Joe's doing... but Joe has clearly also helped change the tide of that program.

Of course he has and I didn't mean him anything but praise. Just also knew that Luke F. built that team into a winner and got the Knicks to have their camp there. I had one son recruited there and another son who went there and was friends, lived with, and played with the basketball team all the time. I didn't mean to take anything away from Joe, just wanted to give Luke some credit too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 07, 2016, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 03, 2016, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: givengo on March 03, 2016, 01:38:10 PM
Impressive  yes, but to answer my question, I'm seeing  the 2003, 04, 05 run of Luciano, Stanton and McGarvey at Ursinus matches the three different players in three years just accomplished by Dickinson.

Congratulations to all!

Amen to that!  Don't want to give the impression that I'm underwhelmed by all the glorious runs in the Cent. Far from it.
What's the history on the ECAC tournament and how are the teams decided?  I'm curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 08, 2016, 10:05:15 AM
swat fan #1
you are right to give luke credit as he was initially the one that changed things at skidmore. and joe burke has continued moving it forward. they both are inspiring coaches.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: P'bearfan on March 13, 2016, 01:42:55 PM
QuoteAll CC teams announced:
http://centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/All-CC

Hinnenkamp POTY
Scibelli ROTY
Kosmalski COTY

I have been following Swarthmore from a distance since Coach Kosmalski came on board.  He's done a remarkable job in a very short time.  Glad to see that he's getting the recognition he deserves.  He has laid the foundation for what could become a perennial power.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on March 17, 2016, 06:15:51 PM
Congrats to all three D3 Hoops second team all region players, Brandon Federici, Ted Hinnenkamp, and Cedric Moune. 
Congrats to Ted Hinnenkamp on his selection to play in the Reese's All Star game, played at Salem Va on Saturday March 19th before the D3 national championship game. He's the third Dickinson player in successive years to be selected for this honor, following Adam Honig '14, and Gerry Wixted '15.
Ted was also named to the  NABC All American second team today. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 17, 2016, 06:42:10 PM
Tremendous achievement by Hinnenkamp.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 19, 2016, 01:37:35 AM
Greetings Fellow Diplomats Fans -

".....and so the long journey begins again as new season will soon be upon us....". Please see the link below:

http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2016-17/releases/20161014pfub02 (http://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2016-17/releases/20161014pfub02)

I can hardly wait for the season. Let the games begin. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on October 19, 2016, 05:36:52 PM
Greetings to all non-Diplomat followers as well!  ;D ;D

Seriously though, looking forward to the chatter on this board and another great season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on October 23, 2016, 06:52:50 AM

CCDC3 -

Agreed - humble apologies. Greetings to all Centennial Conference Fans. The rest of my earlier post still applies. Good luck. Enjoy the coming season. Regards to all.

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2016, 10:52:53 AM

Anyone been by an F&M practice yet?  I'm curious if these freshman bigs are going to be able to contribute right away.  Without some inside help, it could be a long year for the Dips.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 24, 2016, 02:12:42 PM
I have been told they lost a few players where were role players off the bench in the past few years... they may be struggling with depth. Strange that two years ago it was a bunch of freshman that ended up being the surprise of the conference and region (even nation)... that freshman class is now juniors and we are looking at the freshman class to help.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 01, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
I don't think any of the new freshmen at F&M can be considered true bigs. The tallest one goes 6' 5".  The roster will be short, so depth could be a problem if they have any injuries to the starters.
Moune will be hard to replace.  Three players graduated, two are not recovered from injuries and are not on the team, 2 transferred(one to return closer to home)  Both will not be playing basketball this year.  If Hunter, Tate, and Federici stay healthy, they will be capable of putting up points.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 01, 2016, 10:38:30 PM
Folks -

This is not exactly Centennial news. But, I watched the rebroadcast of yesterday's Wisconsin-Platteville/Wisconsin game on the Big Ten Network on Lebanon Area Comcast. Not a bad showing by the Pioneers as they hung with the Badgers throughout the first half. The Badgers' size took a toll on the Pioneers. In my opinion, that was the biggest difference between the teams and was the deciding factor in the game which the Badgers won by about thirty points. Just thought it was interesting that Division III Basketball continues to make inroads on TV coverage!

Feel free to share this with others and to post on other conference boards. It is November 1st, so the games can't be too far behind! Regards to all.

Eric



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 01, 2016, 10:52:04 PM
Well it helps if a regional entity has a deal with a D1 school and thus broadcasts the game(s)... and you can pick it up on a regional channel or something like DirecTV. Or on something like Big Ten network.

That said, to truly make in roads, we need actual D3 games being picked up by even more regional entities. That is where I hope things start heading... or schools/conferences start to figure out how to get things on WatchESPN and the like.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on November 01, 2016, 11:47:36 PM
Lancaster Community TV (LCTV 66) was (is?) rebroadcasting some of F&M's webcasts on the very local channel for a while. So nothing super, but it helped get the coverage out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 05, 2016, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 01, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
I don't think any of the new freshmen at F&M can be considered true bigs. The tallest one goes 6' 5".  The roster will be short, so depth could be a problem if they have any injuries to the starters.
Moune will be hard to replace.  Three players graduated, two are not recovered from injuries and are not on the team, 2 transferred(one to return closer to home)  Both will not be playing basketball this year.  If Hunter, Tate, and Federici stay healthy, they will be capable of putting up points.

Dips finally posted their roster for 2016-17.  They list 13 players.  It does not seem that they are that short of players.  The two missing from last year other than the graduates are Beins and Borden.  Both seemed to have talent.  Transfers or injured?  Agree Moune will be hard to replace on both ends of the court.  Perhaps Levy will fill in as a senior.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2016, 03:45:46 PM
I had heard the team did lose some players outside of graduation and I was told there was 12 or 13 at practices... can't remember who told me, though... so that doesn't surprise me. It was one of the reasons I didn't vote for F&M in the preseason Top 25. I think too much is going to fall on Federici with not much help.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2016, 12:57:54 PM
Preseason poll about what I expected.  Should be an interesting and competitive year.  At this point, I think at least seven teams have a shot at the playoffs.  I say this with limited knowledge of returning players (some improve more than others) and knowing nothing about incoming players---either freshmen or transfers and their potential impact.  Look forward to the games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2016, 01:38:39 PM

I like that Swarthmore team.  Coupled with some big question marks on the other top squads, it should be a very interesting season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 11, 2016, 10:10:57 PM
F&M lost 3 players to graduation, 2 to transfer(neither will be playing basketball), and 2 to nagging injuries.  Roster will be slim this year.  Two of the freshmen look decent, but hard to tell until they play a legit opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 12, 2016, 08:27:19 AM
Swarthmore is preseason CC official pick to take the Centennial title of the annual CC coaches & SID poll. That pick is surely correct. They are clearly the top team. They have a deep balanced team and a tough talented inside presence. With Moune gone to graduation I 'm not sure how F&M can counter. Dickinson and Hopkins always are loaded with tall good inside players, they may be very competitive. Swarthmore should be ranked if anyone from the CC is to be in the top 25, its the Garnet not F&M.

F&M has a tough renewal of old major rivalry this year when then they travel to Annville to challenge LVC. It sounds like Dutchman are loaded this year with an All-American Orr and a very talented point guard. Orr is a difficult matchup in the paint with his size and a 3 point shot which the Dips may not have an answer. LVC should renew rivalry with a solid victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2016, 04:45:25 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 14, 2016, 05:51:07 PM
F&M will struggle without Moune.  Replacing his rebounding ability will be a real challenge for this year's team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on November 15, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
Moune will be tough to replace but Robinson always seems to have F&M land  their feet.  Swarthmore is the logical pick to win.Kosmalski is the top coach in the conference.  G-burg will have size and experience to battle and Nelson and Seretti will have Hopkins and Dickinson in contention with several key players returning.  Washington is still re-building and McDaniel may struggle.  Haverford will have ups and downs.   The Bears and the Mules don't have the horses or the coaching to muster up a challenge.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2016, 11:01:09 PM
In a nail biter at F&M with major momentum changes,  F&M held on for a 94-91 win.  F&M ran to an early 15 point lead on the back of 5 threes, three from Tate.  F&M held onto a 12 point at the half, but the second half started out all LBC as they held the F&M offense to only 2 points in the first 9 minutes scored by Levy 3 minutes into the half.  Herbie Brown(LBC) went wild and couldn't miss to start the half, as LBC built an also insurmountable lead of 17 points.  LBC still lead by 12 points with 3 minutes to go, but self-destructed as F&M tied the game in regulation.  In a back and forth overtime,  F&M had a 1 point lead with 0.4 seconds to go and Stoma(freshman)(21 points) hit two final free throws.  Matt Tate added 23 points, and Federici came hot done the stretch to finish with 20 points.  Micah Brown ended with 23 points for LBC.  Rebounds were 35-45 in F&M's favor, and turnovers were 30-19 with F&M fortunately on the low side.  LBC shot 55% for the game and F&M only 40%.  F&M takes on York tomorrow.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2016, 10:24:52 PM
 Ugly game in Lancaster.  No continuity to the game.  The officials really struggled at F&M.  York hit 19/27, while F&M hit 9/12.  York only had 6 fouls in the second half, while F&M had over 10 early in the quarter.  Fouls--York(18)  F&M(27)  F&M's subs played well.  Enough said.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on November 20, 2016, 11:07:30 AM
JHU got battle tested this weekend, splitting games against 2 well regarded opponents.  Salisbury (6 votes in Top 25 poll) overwhelmed JHU.  The exploded at the start and never relinquished.  To JHUs credit they fought hard to the end. 

Better luck against Cabrini a perennially tough team as JHU edged them 67-64.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on November 20, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
Only two games in but Dickinson looking to be a formidable squad. Defense ahead of the offense currently but some real bright spots on the offensive end. They seem to have no trouble scoring with a number of players able to post double figures. Clearly the three point percentage won't stay above 50%, but that doesn't appear to be the focus of the offense anyway. Turnovers and free throw percentage are an early problem and an opportunity for real improvement. The defense overcame those issues by holding the two opponents to a combined 38% from the field and 24% from the three point line.  Bottom line, it's early but with quality wins on the road against Arcadia and Mary Washington (on their home court) the Red Devils are off to a good start. They will face Muhlenberg at home on Tuesday and then on Sunday at home again they take on last year final four participant CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2016, 01:46:32 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be Dickinson right now - CNU got embarrassed last night against Marietta.  They are going to want to make a statement in their next game.  Hopefully they'll be able to hang tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on November 21, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
From what I know about the Dickinson team, I bet they'd rather face an angry, focused talented CNU team than the alternative. Might as well get tested by the best at their best. Not sure how the game will go, but I know the Red Devils will compete. I'm more worried about the Mules tomorrow...if Dickinson looks past them they could easily get beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on November 22, 2016, 11:55:12 AM
Amen to that.  Coach Seretti looks for the best challenge, not the W's and L's at this point.  They'll look forward to playing any team that will step onto the court with them as they are guaranteed to gain something from it.   A look at the past five seasons should show that Dickinson will NEVER be a deer in the headlights to any team, and have turned the tables on ranked opponents many times.  Do I expect them to win?  Maybe, maybe not.  Do I think they have the talent and coaching to rise to any occasion?  You bet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 22, 2016, 10:45:52 PM
Gettysburg took control of the game early at F&M and built a 35-21 lead at half-time.  F&M had difficult getting into any sort of offense.  Gettysburg controlled most of the contested rebounds.  Despite a comeback attempt by F&M in the second half, F&M lost by 3(57-54) after tying the game with 33 seconds left.  Christ hit a 3 giving F&M little time to get a shot off, instead they turned it over on inbound pass.  Stoma lead all scorers with 18, Tate had 16, and Federici and Hunter contributed 9 and 8 points.  The Bullets had well rounded scoring with 3 players with 10 each.  Gettysburg bench outscored F&M's 15-3.  Gettysburg, also, had 3 blocks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on November 23, 2016, 11:53:18 AM
Dickinson was up to the challenge in conference opener.  Teams were a study in contrast.  Striking example of one team who looks to tested vs one looking to pick easy wins.  Two stats stand out for the game Dickinson had 22 assists vs Mules 7 and Mules who lived in prior games on 3s found the Red Devils to be less accommodating on 3 pointers holding the Mules to 33% from behind the arc.  Would not bet against Dickinson as the longer they play together the better they are liable to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2016, 03:14:21 PM

Early on it looks like Dickinson and Swarthmore are the cream of the crop.  Hopkins might be very good, but results are still a little too cryptic for me at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 24, 2016, 09:58:47 AM
nice win for gettysburg away against f&m. should be a confidence builder for them. gettysburg game is an early wake up call for f&m and g-rob. swat and dickinson off to a good start. both programs prove how a program gets turned around by an engaged, capable and prepared coach. fords starting off rough again in the cellar with a huge loss to ursinus at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 26, 2016, 09:38:43 PM
0-2 for the Centennial today.

Close loss for Haverford vs Bryan Athyn. Not sure what Bryn Athyn is like. Expected more from the Fords in this one.

Widener thumped Ursinus. Not sure about Widener this year although following the MAC, I did not see them as a playoff team in the CWealth.

Big day tomorrow.

CNU @ Dickinson
Swat at Miseri (BIG GAME HERE!)
#23 FnM @ LVC.
PSU Schuykill vs McDaniel

CNU by 15 (77-62)
Miseri by 3 (71-68)
FnM by 9 (74-65
McDaniel by 14 (82-68)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 27, 2016, 07:02:43 PM
Despite the best efforts of the officials, F&M held on for 73-67 at LVC.  Twenty-eights fouls were called on F&M and 18 on LVC(3 in the closing moments when LVC was attempting to put F&M on the foul line).  With only 11 players suited, Robinson had to juggle the line-up continuous to keep 5 players on the floor without foul trouble.  The bench came through with quality play as Stoma and Owana went to the bench with 5 fouls each.  Federici and Tate had to spend time on the bench with 4 fouls each.  Sylke and Lior, also, picked up 3 fouls each.  Federici lead all scorers with 29 points, while Stoma added 10.  McGrath pulled in 7 rebounds none bigger than the one in the closing moments after Federici missed 2 foul shots.  Tate contributed 8 assists.
Light lead LVC with 25 points, and Orr contributed 18.  Bugg had 8 rebounds for LVC.  Big win for F&M at LVC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 27, 2016, 11:53:55 PM
congrats to F&M on their win over Lebanon Valley away , despite almost blowing it at the end
federici, who was a scoring load throughout the game, committed a bad foul and missed two foul shots in crunch time to keep things interesting
f&m held on
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on November 28, 2016, 07:27:54 AM
As expected, Dickinson faced a very focused and very good team in CNU on Sunday. It's easy to see how the Captains made the Final Four last season as they are both talented and tenacious. Looks like the Merietta game served as a wake-up call for CNU as they executed virtually every aspect of the game. Dickinson showed an ability to play at that high level (10 blocks, forcing 13 turnovers and good shooting percentage) but couldn't do it in all aspects (got significantly outrebounded, giving up 14 offensive rebounds and committing 16 turnovers resulting in CNU getting 15 more attempts at the basket). In the final analysis, playing what should be a top 5 team this early in the season was a great opportunity for the Red Devils to test both ends of the floor. Two games this week on the road against McDaniel and Swarthmore. Looking forward to watching both.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 01, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
it looks like dickinson played well and pretty even in many respects except for rebounds and shots taken. a 6'2 guard, marcus carter, had 12 rebounds for CNU which looks like it was a game changer. shots taken, which follows rebounding: CNU 61 to Dickinson 46. always good to play against a better team and be challenged...great scheduling job by seretti.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2016, 03:55:31 PM

I'm planning to be up at Swarthmore for the men's game on Saturday against Dickinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 01, 2016, 08:52:13 PM
Quote from: Hoopdog14 on November 15, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
Moune will be tough to replace but Robinson always seems to have F&M land  their feet.  Swarthmore is the logical pick to win.Kosmalski is the top coach in the conference.  G-burg will have size and experience to battle and Nelson and Seretti will have Hopkins and Dickinson in contention with several key players returning.  Washington is still re-building and McDaniel may struggle.  Haverford will have ups and downs.   The Bears and the Mules don't have the horses or the coaching to muster up a challenge.

Hoopdog,

Might want to review your analysis.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on December 01, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
Nah I'm good.  2 games is a long way away from a whole season.  Although I am a little surprised at Ursinus ability to score.

Swarthmore had an easy time against the Mules with an away win by over 30 points.  They efficiently handled the Mules press and punched holes in the Mules zone defense. Wiley,Bourne and Cousineau hit double figures.  Wiley hit 4 of 7 from 3 while Bourne was 8 of 11 from the field.

Mules had only Werheim in double figures scoring 14 pets and 4 boards.  Mules shot 31% from 3 and was out-rebounded by a 2:1 margin.  Outside of Werheim the Mules have trouble generating any offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 01, 2016, 09:40:51 PM
Ursinus dominated F&M offensively and defensively(102-86).  Ursinus exploited the lack of an inside and played a physical game.  Williams for Ursinus came out hot and put Ursinus into an early that they never relinquished.  Williams hit 5 threes in the first half as Ursinus built a comfortable.  F&M came out the second half trying to play a tight pressure defense, but gave up numerous uncontested lays.  Williams lead all scorers with 30 points, Knowles added 23.  Ursinus shot 60% to F&M's 33%.  Ursinus had 44 points in the paint to F&M's 14.  All the uncontested layups added to the for-mentioned stats.  Federici lead F&M with 26 points, and Tate contributed 21.  Stoma was pounded in the paint and scored all of his points on 15/16 shooting from the line.  Owana added 10 points--with 8 of them coming from the line on 8/10 shooting.  Stoma was well beat up by the time he fouled out.  Three times, while attempting to take a charge, he was called for blocking fouls where he was physically knocked to the floor.  If Ursinus plays like they did tonight they will be in the mix for the play-offs by the end of the season.  Gabriel might be right.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 01, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
I can't remember the last time F&M started 0-2 in the CC, let alone with both of those losses coming at home. Lucky for them, it's still early, but the lack of a solid post presence so far (points in the paint tonight was 44-14 in favor of the Bears) has to be concerning for F&M fans.

Swat looks really, really good so far. Yes, it's early, but they have looked really good so far.

Big slate of games coming on Saturday afternoon. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 02, 2016, 05:49:51 AM
Hey just stopping by to catch up on things. It looks to be an upside down league from a few years ago. Swat is clearly the team to beat right now and are pretty deep. LK has the team playing very well. My only concern is that he is a rising star and I bet looking for a bigger job after this year. However, I will enjoy it while it lasts. I can't believe F&M gave up 102 points. When was the last time that happened?

On another (fun) note, my son played against Jon Ward in the championship game of a league in downtown Philly last week.

Hope all is well with everyone. I bet this is going to be a crazy season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on December 02, 2016, 08:58:58 AM
Dickinson still better on defense than offense but have work to do on both ends especially regarding consistency.

The first half wasn't pretty. The Red Devils finished the half with twice as many turnovers as made baskets (10 TOs, shot 5-20). Meanwhile the Green Terror wasn't much better with 9 turnovers and 10-22 from the field. Bright spot for McDaniel was their center Kevin Yrizarry, who did a nice job scoring in the post with a variety of drop step moves.

The second half was a different story. Dickinson cleaned things up offensively committing only 2 turnovers while shooting 52% from the field on 12-23 shooting. Seven assists on the 12 made baskets was a difference maker as the ball movement and decision making on offense appeared to be much more solid (the Red Devils had only 1 assist in the first half). The Red Devils' better looks also resulted in more trips to the line making 12-15 in the half. Defensively, the on ball pressure applied throughout the game appeared to wear down the Green Terror and disrupt their offense. Josh McWilliams and Yrizarry carried the scoring load for McDaniel but it wasn't nearly enough as Dickinson found more offense in Mike Jurzynski, Justus Melton and first year point guard Bryce Allen who had a terrific debut.

Five games in and the Red Devils still working out the details. The ceiling looks to be very high. Saturday should be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 02, 2016, 11:28:55 AM
Swat Fan #1--looking back the last time F&M gave up a 100 was during the 2004-2005 season, but they won.  Looking back to the 70's they gave up a 100 often, especially when they lost 4 games in the 70-71 season when they gave up over 100 in each of the 4 games
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 02, 2016, 11:43:00 AM
Reserved Seat,

I was watching the game on line and, I think you were behind the Dips bench.  What was the deal regarding GRob's ejection.  I know it was two technical fouls but what was the issue?

The F&M camera crew and commentators did a terrific job.  Frederici is a load and Stoma is on his way to being a special player over the next four years.  Dips are still in the hunt.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 02, 2016, 12:30:16 PM
Robinson was frustrated by the the team's lack of defense. But near the end of the game Osley was hurt and Robinson wanted to take him out of the game, and the officials wouldn't let him.  I don't know why.  I'm sure it was some picayune rule.  Trying to get Osley out of the game caused the first technical and yelling back at the ref after the first technical caused the second instantaneous foul.  Robinson was just frustrated.  Williams had an unbelievable game.  He seemed to be everywhere making every key play or shot.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on December 02, 2016, 12:50:31 PM
Love the way the Centennial is starting out this season. It's great to watch talented young coaches as they figure out the working parts to get to that cohesive whole.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 02, 2016, 04:10:45 PM
Reserved,

Thanks for the insight.  Eric Williams did play well.  He worked hard on his game over the summer and it shows.  Matt Knowles is rounding into form too coming back from ACL surgery as is Zack Muredda.  It takes a while to trust that leg again.

Seems to me that the Dips will play more pressure defense and shoot more threes this year given their lack of inside presence.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2016, 08:51:52 PM

Is it too early to wonder if F&M will make the conference tourney?  A lot of teams looking strong and the Dips are just... not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 03, 2016, 07:19:55 AM
nice to see swat at the top of the conference and ursinus playing well. tough start for f&m but great for the conference to have other teams stepping forward and competing so well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on December 03, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
A little early to be writing off F&M.  They are the defending champs.  They have one of the the best, if not the best offensive players in the conference.  Their play in the paint has not been up to the accustomed standard but it should improve, and the standard of post play in the conference as a whole is not where it was 3-4 years ago, so it may not hurt them too badly.  Also their coach has seen a thing or two, so I'm told. 

I would also hold off naming the Swat Coach as the "top coach in the conference."  I can think of 4 current conf. coaches that have won multiple conference titles and gone on deep tournament runs.   I admire the job Coach K has done in turning things around at Swat but to date he has one playoff win.   Lotsa ball to be played, and I would be shocked if any team is a clear favorite when the playoffs start.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 03, 2016, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Polly Math on December 03, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
A little early to be writing off F&M.  They are the defending champs.  They have one of the the best, if not the best offensive players in the conference.  Their play in the paint has not been up to the accustomed standard but it should improve, and the standard of post play in the conference as a whole is not where it was 3-4 years ago, so it may not hurt them too badly.  Also their coach has seen a thing or two, so I'm told. 

I would also hold off naming the Swat Coach as the "top coach in the conference."  I can think of 4 current conf. coaches that have won multiple conference titles and gone on deep tournament runs.   I admire the job Coach K has done in turning things around at Swat but to date he has one playoff win.   Lotsa ball to be played, and I would be shocked if any team is a clear favorite when the playoffs start.

Welcome to the board, Polly Math.  Really good posting and I couldn't agree with you more.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2016, 08:04:40 PM

Quite the adventure at Swarthmore today.  I'm glad I made the drive.  Neither team was really on their game today, but Dickinson was certainly playing better for most of it.  It was so engaging I rarely even looked at the scoreboard.  Just great basketball.

Swarthmore briefly took a lead with three minutes to go, but Dickinson kept their collective foot down and had a four point lead with 13 seconds left.  Swarthmore brought the ball up - I'm not sure exactly what happened because it was on the other side of the court from me, but I think Mike Hinkley went for a steal against Matt Brennan, who forced up a shot attempt to draw the foul.  Three FTs with 3.7 seconds on the clock.

Brennan hit the first, missed the second, and badly mangled his intentionally-missed third, but it still found some iron and the ball got tapped to Zack Yonda in the corner, who hit a fadeaway three with three Red Devils flying at him, hands in the air.  Tie ballgame.

In the OT Robbie Walsh, who hadn't had a particularly good day for 40 minutes, suddenly showed up with some clutch FTs and a big block to seal it.

A GREAT day of basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2016, 08:08:44 PM

I also want to mention how impressed I was with Swarthmore's two big freshmen - Zac O'Dell and Nate Shafer - they're both really polished for first year players, with some smarts and skills (not to mention the size).  I'm not sure how many minutes they'll get this year, but they're going to be big contributors in the future.

Both Swarthmore and Dickinson should be better next year than this year - very few seniors and a lot of good young players who will improve.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2016, 08:09:22 PM
F&M struggled to hold on for a win at Haverford.  F&M needs to tighten up their defense; it still looks too helter skelter.  The Dips are still giving up too many open shots.  F&M did come out ahead on rebounds(37/29) with a well rounded effort.  Four players had 5 to lead the team.  Haverford's rebounds were also spread out evenly.  F&M still looks like they have to gel on offense--too many turnovers.  F&M, also, gave away at least 5 points on made baskets negated by fouls away from the play.  Haverford came up big with 7 blocks to F&M's none.  F&M lead in assists 17-11, and at one point had a 17 point, but couldn't put the game out of reach of the Fords.  Eggers/18, Federici/12 and Stoma/12 lead the F&M scoring.  Sherman/20, Scibelli/17, and Lang/14 lead the Fords. On offense F&M needs to get more open looks for their shooters, especially Federici, who only took 5 shots. Federici only needs a small opening to launch his shot.  Too many passes are dropped interferring with the flow of the offense.  Once F&M gets use to playing without Moune, they will improve drastically.  Stoma continues to display great potential, and when he puts all the pieces together he will help greatly in the post.  Moune played very little as a freshman, so Stoma is way ahead in early experience.
Sounds like they had a great game at Swarthmore.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2016, 08:11:18 PM

The F&M - Dickinson games should be interesting; neither team can get any rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on December 03, 2016, 11:15:07 PM
Ryan, you're right that the Dickinson/Swarthmore game was certainly compelling. The only thing I would add is that both squads showed moments of who they're going to be later in this season and they both should be very good. Dickinson has to clean up the rebounding problem but the difference in the official stat sheet is a bit of a head scratcher. It really didn't seem as lopsided as 47-23. I suppose I could watch the film and see for sure...Um, no.

Really looking forward to the entire season. Looks like it'll be quite the battle for the top five with a tough road ahead for perennial favorites F&M and Hopkins and an opportunity for others. Can't figure out Gettysburg from their results but I'll get to watch them on Wednesday as the Red Devils face the Bullets at 8.   

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2016, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: Team First on December 03, 2016, 11:15:07 PM
Ryan, you're right that the Dickinson/Swarthmore game was certainly compelling. The only thing I would add is that both squads showed moments of who they're going to be later in this season and they both should be very good. Dickinson has to clean up the rebounding problem but the difference in the official stat sheet is a bit of a head scratcher. It really didn't seem as lopsided as 47-23. I suppose I could watch the film and see for sure...Um, no.

Really looking forward to the entire season. Looks like it'll be quite the battle for the top five with a tough road ahead for perennial favorites F&M and Hopkins and an opportunity for others. Can't figure out Gettysburg from their results but I'll get to watch them on Wednesday as the Red Devils face the Bullets at 8.

Yeah, both teams will be very good next year and maybe by the end of this year.  Dickinson's rebounding problem is a real problem and it'll prevent them from doing real damage against top teams, but it's probably not going to slow them down too much in the Centennial.  Of course, it'll be less of an issue if they just hit shots at a higher percentage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 05, 2016, 01:13:48 AM
i am happy for coach small at ursinus for a good start to the season. he is a good coach and a good person with a great tradition at his school who has been having some down years of late.  go bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2016, 11:31:54 AM

I don't want to get too late in the season to make my bold prediction sure to be wrong (I think I stole that from someone - Mike and Mike, maybe?) - I'll go out on a limb and say F&M doesn't make the conference tournament.  I think they're fifth best right now - so there's a chance it happens and I'd like to be in on the ground floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 07, 2016, 09:04:53 AM
Ryan:
5th place team makes play in game against 4th place team. are you saying f&m finishes 6 or lower?
also, i think f&m will make top 4. i think gettysburg will fade a bit as season goes on. my top 4 are swat, dickinson, f&m and ursinus. lots of ball left.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2016, 09:13:49 AM
Quote from: centfan on December 07, 2016, 09:04:53 AM
Ryan:
5th place team makes play in game against 4th place team. are you saying f&m finishes 6 or lower?
also, i think f&m will make top 4. i think gettysburg will fade a bit as season goes on. my top 4 are swat, dickinson, f&m and ursinus. lots of ball left.

Yep.  Gettysburg worried me a little bit and I guess we'll know a little more after F&M plays Hopkins tonight, but if there's ever going to be a year when F&M gets left out of the post-season, I think it'll be this one.  Sports media is all about hot takes these days, right?  Here's mine.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on December 07, 2016, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2016, 09:13:49 AM
but if there's ever going to be a year when F&M gets left out of the post-season, I think it'll be this one. 

FYI, F&M missed the Centennial Tournament three years in a row - 2006, 2007, 2008 - and also missed in 1997, but they have made it every other year in the conference's history. Amazingly, they have never won a Centennial Conference Tournament game outside of the Mayser Center, but they've only had five chance to do so. They are 0-3 in true road games in the tournament's history, 0-2 in neutral-site games, and a whopping 23-5 at home. Their last true road game in the conference tournament was the 2003 championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 07, 2016, 05:28:24 PM
It's a tad too early to start making playoff predictions I think, but the chatter is definitely great!  ;D ;D

While I think F&M is having difficulties right now, keep in mind that we are only three games into the CC season, and Robinson has plenty of time to turn things around. They have a tough one tonight at Hopkins, as both of those teams could badly use a confidence boosting win.

The one thing I can say right now with certainty is this: Swarthmore appears to be really good. They've won their 3 CC games in a variety of ways:

1. Controlled the game against Washington after building a solid lead

2. Were absolutely dominant defensively at Muhlenberg

3. Erased a 10 point second half deficit against arguably one of the top 2 teams in the CC in the last 5 years in Dickinson to win that game


Frankly, all 5 games on tonight's schedule should be good. Can a young Washington squad keep up the momentum from knocking off Gettysburg Saturday against McDaniel tonight? Gettysburg and Dickinson is a great matchup too. Muhlenberg might even get a road test from Haverford tonight. And of course, the battle for first place between Swarthmore and Ursinus should be a doozie too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 07, 2016, 10:16:09 PM
Bummer!  Bears led 67-66 with 1:51 to play and could not finish losing to Swat 75-67. Game was back and forth for 39 minutes--good defense by both teams.  Bears poor free throw shooting cost them the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on December 07, 2016, 10:30:42 PM
Havre ford did give the Mules a game. Unfortunately for Haverford their 3 shooting was Siberian Express cold.  Mules have gone into a zone full time to hide the lack of man on man skills. Fords had wide open 3s but could not connect going 5 of 21 - 9% in the second half. Mules continue to shuffle line ups as McClary is hoping one of the combination bails him out.

To date the most consistent Mule is Werheim who is active near the hoop and from mid-range.  He will need more help from an ever changing lineup of guys with lesser skills   LaRose scored a bunch tonight which may boost his confidence. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2016, 06:30:03 PM
The season has started fast and for some teams they still haven't lost. Not unexpected for some, maybe completely unexpected for others.

And there is a big battle between #1 and #2 in Division III men's basketball on tap!

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave is back in studio and talking to some of the teams who find themselves without a loss, but probably still with plenty of questions that remain unanswered. Many of the teams are nationally ranked, but one of the teams tonight finds itself undefeated and receiving narry a point in any of the Division III polls.

Also on Thursday's edition, Dave will talk LIVE with either #1 Amherst or #2 Babson. The two men's programs face off in a rare #1 v #2 regular season battle. We chat with the winning coach after the game.

You can watch Hoopsville below staring at 7:00 pm ET. We are also experimenting with simulcasting the show on Facebook Live! More info here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/dec8

Guests included (in order):
- Bob Amsberry, No. 8 Wartburg women's coach
- Amy Reed, Rochester Tech women's coach
- Landry Kosmalski, No. 22 Swarthmore men's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 3 Marietta men's coach
- Either Dave Hixon (No. 1 Amherst) or Stephen Brennan (No. 2 Banson) men's coach

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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 09, 2016, 10:18:07 AM
We've hit a little bit of a quiet point in the season.....only one Centennial game this weekend, and that's Washington hosting Haverford on Saturday. Seems kind of odd, right? Next weekend until January I understand, but it just seems odd that there's only one CC game this weekend, and everyone else has non-conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2016, 10:46:23 AM
Partly because of Bryn Mawr that requires some "creative" scheduling. I also bet some games were moved due to finals and such - happens often.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 09, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2016, 10:46:23 AM
Partly because of Bryn Mawr that requires some "creative" scheduling. I also bet some games were moved due to finals and such - happens often.

Yeah, good point
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on December 21, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
Conference play is quiet until the New Year.  Some non-conference games, although not largely competitive.  Mules had one game (York College NY)canceled due to weather then eked out a win  against Marywood.  Combined record of bother teams is 0-18.  Add the hand picked  Scotty Wood tournament opponents and the records a combined 16-36.  Less a strive for competition than a desperate attempt to  pump air into a record.

Mules shot 53% and had a 38-24 rebounding advantage and struggled to beat a winless team.  LaRose had a strong game going 9 of 10 for 20 pts while Eric Werheim had a double double 11 pts 12 boards.  Marywood shot only 1 foul shot but hit 9 of21 from 3s over Mules zone defense.  COuld be a long unpleasant conference schedule in January
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 21, 2016, 06:32:38 PM
No one is looking strong during the winter stretch of non-league games.  Close wins and losses--the Centennial does not look strong out of conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 02, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
Folks -

Belated holiday greetings to all. Hope everyone had a relaxing, safe, and enjoyable New Year's Eve. Now, bring on the rest of the D3 season. Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 03, 2017, 12:10:41 AM
Happy New Year to all D3 and Centennial fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 08, 2017, 06:42:53 PM
Swarthmore is in first place and F&M is tied for last place: Proof the world has turned upside down.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 08, 2017, 07:13:42 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 08, 2017, 06:42:53 PM
Swarthmore is in first place and F&M is tied for last place: Proof the world has turned upside down.  :)

This is a great post. Much less activity on this board when the Dips are in the basement.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 08, 2017, 06:42:53 PM
Swarthmore is in first place and F&M is tied for last place: Proof the world has turned upside down.  :)

I saw F&M on Saturday (was in charge of the video production)... wasn't impressed, though I didn't have high expectations. To be honest, Federici hasn't improved much from his freshman year. Sadly, he was the only offense for the most part. At one point, he was 6-8 (and not taking very good shots at times) while the rest of the team was 8-21. Then at the end, he got a rebound and tried to put a shot up from about 8-feet, but also got acrobatic either avoiding or looking for a foul call. He missed. Got his own rebound. Then flailed trying to get another call. Ball out of bounds, threat over. The most surprising move was Glenn. He yelled at Federici (which he had been doing much of the game) and when he got done, turned to his bench and took Federici out of the game. So F&M down six late played the rest of the minute (two possessions) without Federici. I think that tells a lot.

They are a young team otherwise and don't have a great identity. Federici looks like he wants to take on the pressure, even though he has a few players that look like they are ready to hit some shots for the team. He needs to stop being so selfish and trust the other guys. It can't get any worse than where they are. Let's see what others can do and maybe help turn the team around this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 09, 2017, 09:04:28 AM
Tough loss for the UC Bears on Saturday.  JHU made 15 of 31 three point attempts (48.4 %) which the Bears could not match.  Did not look like bad defense, just hot shooting.  Ursinus came back from a 14 point second deficit to take a 75-72 lead on two Knowles free throws with 15 seconds to play.  JHU hit a three to tie it at 75 with 6 seconds to play.  Bears turned the ball over with 3 seconds to play and fouled Vasiliadis with 1.9 seconds left. He made both shots to make the final 77-75 JHU. 

Ursinus has had problems finishing games lately. Tough schedule this week at WC and Dickinson and home against Getty.  Go Bears!  Go Patriots!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 09, 2017, 09:50:12 AM
F&M/McDaniel game looked like a contest between two 1-3 teams.  Neither team is going to scare anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2017, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 09, 2017, 09:04:28 AM
Tough loss for the UC Bears on Saturday.  JHU made 15 of 31 three point attempts (48.4 %) which the Bears could not match.  Did not look like bad defense, just hot shooting.  Ursinus came back from a 14 point second deficit to take a 75-72 lead on two Knowles free throws with 15 seconds to play.  JHU hit a three to tie it at 75 with 6 seconds to play.  Bears turned the ball over with 3 seconds to play and fouled Vasiliadis with 1.9 seconds left. He made both shots to make the final 77-75 JHU. 

Ursinus has had problems finishing games lately. Tough schedule this week at WC and Dickinson and home against Getty.  Go Bears!  Go Patriots!

That's why I prefer the foul rather than defending and allowing the possible tying 3-pter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2017, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 09, 2017, 09:50:12 AM
F&M/McDaniel game looked like a contest between two 1-3 teams.  Neither team is going to scare anyone.

Absolutely agree. McDaniel isn't that great a team this year. I have seen a lot of ugly games. I was actually surprised they played with or even better than F&M. I think it revealed that the Diplomats have far more problems than anyone wanted to admit this season. Sad, honestly. I was hoping Federici and the rest of the team would keep improving. If anything, they seem to have gone in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 10, 2017, 10:40:58 AM
Watched UC/JHU Saturday and agree it was a very tough loss.  As a UC supporter & alum, I was hoping games like this would go our way this year. Especially after being a very young team the past couple years and getting a lot of game experience you would hope they start to close out these type of games.  It was great to watch them fight and claw back into it.  I think that shows a lot about the team because JHU was shooting very well from 3. 

As for fouling/not fouling up 3 at the end of the game, I really think it depends on the situation and game.  In this case, 15 seconds was still quite a bit of time.  If you foul JHU with 8-10 seconds left, they are not necessarily forced to make the first FT and then miss the second.  They could try and make both free throws and then foul UC on the in-bounds pass. I believe UC was still in one and one at that point, so then it would depend on what UC does at the line; being up 1,2 or 3 and what JHU would need to do on that last possession with a handful of seconds left to get up the court.

With that being said, in this game, and how well JHU was shooting from 3, I probably would have tried to foul them before they got the 3 off with I think it was 6 seconds left to be exact and force them to make that decision to make both free throws or make the first and miss the second, and put it on your team to rebound and make free throws.  Hindsight is always 20/20 though.  I've seen games where the fouling has come back to haunt teams as well where the team gets the missed 2nd FT and makes a shot (didnt Swat tie Dickinson that way to force OT earlier this season?).

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 10, 2017, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 08, 2017, 06:42:53 PM
Swarthmore is in first place and F&M is tied for last place: Proof the world has turned upside down.  :)
The most surprising move was Glenn. He yelled at Federici (which he had been doing much of the game) and when he got done, turned to his bench and took Federici out of the game. So F&M down six late played the rest of the minute (two possessions) without Federici. I think that tells a lot.
GRob's bellowing apparently wasn't very effective; perhaps he should instead try coaching by Twitter. "Tweeting," as we know, does make people pay attention.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 10, 2017, 01:13:45 PM
Conference play really gets back into full swing this week: 3 game weeks for everyone! This week could finally (maybe?) start to create a little separation amongst the league.

Swarthmore still looking like the team to beat, but Dickinson is starting to come around as well. Other than that, 5 teams sit either 3-2 or 2-3. It's a muddled mess! Some thoughts:

Even though F&M is sitting at 1-4, still think they have time to turn things around, but this week is crucial for them. Home games against the Mules and WAC and then a road game at Swat.

Watch out for Hopkins too, a pair of home games this week and then finish the week at Haverford. A 3-0 week for them could do wonders for them going forward. But, those 2 home games are against Dickinson and Swarthmore, so those will be tough, but luckily for them, those teams have to go to Goldfarb.

I think WAC could throw a wrench in some plans as well, with 2 home games against Ursinus and Dickinson this week. If they can use their press defense effectively and make some shots, the Bears and Red Devils could have some trouble. Plus, they've shown the ability in the past, even with less talented teams, to give F&M fits, so that could be tricky for the Dips too.

Enjoy the games everyone! These three game weeks are fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 10, 2017, 11:43:42 PM
Reserved Seat. What are the issues with Tate, Owana And now Stoma. Are they injured or ill? Bizarre that they could win a game so easily with their 2nd and 3d leading scorers and leading rebounder not playing or contributing. Plus after watching Gettysburg look like death warmed over against Scranton I was wandering how they beat F&M or anybody else.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 11, 2017, 12:25:17 PM
The Centennial Conference seems to be a mere shadow of its self.  F&M despite a 1-4 record pasted the Mules last night , 96-46.  F&M had  5 guys in double digit scoring, shooting 60%, 15 steals and a margin of +12  on the glass.  Mules had no player with more than 6 points shooting a miserable 32% and 21 turnovers.  F&M may short order of the zone defense the Mules have switched to this year to bury most of the line-up that cannot defend on the ball.  Seems McClary has mis-calculated the abilities of several players he thought were much better than advertised.  Without a couple of all conference players that have since graduated, it seems their abilities to score when the defensive focus isn't shifted away from them has been greatly reduced.

Robinson is a smart guy and figured out the weaknesses of the Mules and this outing may be the fire that lights F&Ms season.  With most teams struggling the season will be quite interesting and the winners at this point is anybody's guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on January 11, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
I hate to jump on the "Conference is down!" bandwagon, since when posters say that it usually means "[the team I follow in the] Conference is down!" -- but looking around there seems to be a significant fall off from 2-3 years ago when the Centennial had 3 teams nationally ranked.   The problem is a lack of talented bigs.  4 years ago we had Gyokchian, Salandra and Moune (F&M); Wixted and Collins (Dickinson); Bugarinovic and McEntire (JH); Zurn (Gettysburg); Hargrove (Muhlenberg); Goldberg (Haverford); Ward (Ursinus); Pupelis (McDaniel) -- and I am probably forgetting some guys.  Some of these guys were better than others, but they were all at least pretty good D3 bigs -- and some were a lot more than that.  Today the best big in the conference looks like Walsh at Swat, and while he is a nice player I would put him in the middle of the pack of the guys mentioned above.   It's too bad, because the overall level of guardplay in the conference is actually better than it was.  Swat, JH, Ursinus all have multiple guys who can shoot out the lights, F&M has Federici, and Dickinson doesn't shoot well but has the best on ball defensive guards in the league.  Maybe things will improve next year.  If you know of a 6'7" or taller kid who can play with his back to the basket,  please pass his name to the program of your choice!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on January 11, 2017, 04:35:35 PM
There is so much parity relative to just a few years ago across D3 that I think it's hard to make a blanket statement that the Centennial is down. Where are the quality bigs nationally? I've seen some great 6'7" guys (like Daly at CNU) but he's quite a bit different than a Moune, Wixted or a Hargrove. I've heard that Marietta has a good big but they've already lost 4 games. There's no doubt that without the presence of a dominant big, the risk of getting beaten by a hot team or one playing particularly well that night increases. Does McDaniel taking Swat to OT on Swat's home court mean that Swat is overrated? How about F&M last night? How did they turn it around so fast? Or did the Mules just not show up? Maybe this year it's just more important for a team to play well, execute on both ends, to earn a victory than in years past when a quality big could make up for poor execution with rim protection and dominant rebounding on defense or an easy stick-back on offense. On any given night a solid CC team playing well can battle with a solid team playing well from another conference. Maybe this year it's just much more about who is playing consistently well- which at this point in the season appears to be Swat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 10, 2017, 11:43:42 PM
Reserved Seat. What are the issues with Tate, Owana And now Stoma. Are they injured or ill? Bizarre that they could win a game so easily with their 2nd and 3d leading scorers and leading rebounder not playing or contributing. Plus after watching Gettysburg look like death warmed over against Scranton I was wandering how they beat F&M or anybody else. :-\

I had been an admirer of Coach Petrie's offense since they hosted the NCAA tourney 1st weekend 7? years ago when Scranton was also there. There was a considerable dropoff in ability the other night from that tourney season. And,G-burg started the game with shot clock violations on their 1st 2 possessions- never have seen that before.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 11, 2017, 06:06:06 PM
Tate, Owana, and Stoma are all injured.  Tate injured his ankle against Albright in early December, and it's still not healing.  Owana, also, injured his ankle and tried to play on it but seemed to aggravate it again against McDaniel.  Stoma's injury has not been reported, but it appears he may be out for significant time.  With McGrath and Slyka add speed to the line in, but give up a lot in height.  Muhlenberg seemed rattled by F&M's defense and were not ready for the new line-up they were facing.  With the 3 starters out, F&M's depth now  becomes a concern.  The Mules' defense could not react to the new ball movement shown by F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 11, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on January 10, 2017, 11:43:42 PM
Reserved Seat. What are the issues with Tate, Owana And now Stoma. Are they injured or ill? Bizarre that they could win a game so easily with their 2nd and 3d leading scorers and leading rebounder not playing or contributing. Plus after watching Gettysburg look like death warmed over against Scranton I was wandering how they beat F&M or anybody else. :-\

I had been an admirer of Coach Petrie's offense since they hosted the NCAA tourney 1st weekend 7? years ago when Scranton was also there. There was a considerable dropoff in ability the other night from that tourney season.


Helluva visual. What does death warmed over look like?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on January 11, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=picture+of+death+warmed+over&id=22B95614F00D81D6A5F1C7C04A9C0C3B7EF38AC8&FORM=IQFRBA

Thought I'd try it.🤔
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 12, 2017, 08:43:44 AM
Polly Math... I agree that the conference lacks bigs. I would put Liddic (Muhlenberg), Permutt (Haverford) in there as well. Zurn and Goldberg were two of my favorite players in the Conference. (Goldberg was a 5'10" point guard).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 12, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
I don't think it's necessarily lack of bigs as to why conference is down. The game of basketball is changing. If you look at points/possession, throwing into the post and playing back to basket trying to score is under 1pt/posession. Th post is just a low percentage area to shoot from. I do think having skilled bigs is very important, but not in their ability to score back to basket. I think the game has changed and will continue to change from this. They need to defend the rim with pick and rolls, run the floor, finish at the rim and be able to pass out of doubles. D3 teams can get away with bigs who play hard and focus in these areas. They don't need guys who run down to the post, throw it in and go to work. Those days have passed. Inefficient basketball
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on January 12, 2017, 07:32:53 PM
Cent Fan:  I was actually thinking of Brett Cohen at Haverford, a very good forward who was much overlooked.   I hadnt forgot Liddic, who holds the conference rebound record and probably will for some time, but he is a little further back down the timeline.  You could throw in McNally (F&M) and Dolan (Dickinson) if we are going back to the 2010 time frame. 

Hoopguru:  Many of the guys mentioned were not your immobile "one foot in the paint" bigs -- Gyokchian and Wixted did a lot of their damage from the three point line, as well as the post, and Bugarinovic and Cohen had nice mid-range jumpers. They were versatile scorers and rebounders and good rim protectors.  Even guys like Kevin Hargrove or Jon Ward did not have outside scoring range and were more pure post players -- but I still think if they were in the league now they would be feasting.  If younger versions of any of these guys (or the other guys I mentioned) showed up on any Centennial campus today I doubt they would advised to try cross country or volleyball.  Basketball hasnt changed that much.     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 12, 2017, 10:21:55 PM
UC Bears upended Dickinson 82-77 in an terrific road win against a very good Dickinson team.  Dickinson's only lead was 2-0 and the Bears led the rest of the way with their biggest lead 9 points.  Matt Knowles scored 27, Zach Quattro hit for 13, and freshman Shane Stark 10.  Bears four forwards as a group scored 34 points are certainly playing much better of late.  Bears defense was solid and they did an excellent job of closing the game. Hope it continues.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 13, 2017, 12:20:39 AM
Polly Math: yes, you make my point for me.  As I was stating the true big, 5 man, back to the basket is going away because it is inefficient to play pounding it into the post to let a guy back down and try to score inside. Those guys you mentioned had the skill set to do damage in many ways, which is what I am saying about the game changing to having versatile F's.  I am not saying that scoring out of the post is going away, just the true 5 man who sits in the post and expects to always play in there.  They may or may not be feasting in the CC today, but that doesn't mean their teams would be good or playoff teams.  I don't think when Ward was at Ursinus they made the playoffs outside his freshman year.  Yes, if there was a Wixted or Gyokchian, then I believe those teams would certainly be better, but, again, much more versatile Forwards.

Very nice win on the road for Ursinus at Dickinson.  Hope they can keep it rolling.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on January 13, 2017, 09:09:12 AM
Hoopguru:  Gotcha -- I am not going to restart the debate about why Ursinus didn't have more success in the first half of this decade. I wasn't on the board then but there is lots of commentary about it if you page back on this forum.   My take: Ward was a good forward, but F&M and Dickinson and Hopkins had better ones, and more of them.   Either way, its spilt milk now.   

Ursinus made my point for me last night, by shooting 50% from the field and winning on a night when they were 20% from the 3 pt line.  That what happens when you own the glass.   Coach said last year that Ursinus was going back to basics in how they recruit and play, and it is clearly paying off.   There is also a lot to like about Dickinson, they are fast and aggressive and make life miserable for opposing guards, but they got outplayed in the paint, and a team that has interior passing and shoots from 2 feet will more often than not beat a team that swings the ball and shoots from 20 feet. 

Anyway, should be an exciting tourney.  Most years there are 2, maybe 3 teams that have a legit shot at taking the trophy.  Looks like this year there will be 5.  Hopkins smacked Swat in Baltimore last night,  and for all their early season woes, F&M has won 2 straight and plays Swat on Saturday.   Things could get very interesting very soon. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 13, 2017, 03:02:04 PM
Yes, they seem to be getting back to basics with how they recruit and seem to have a team that enjoys playing together/understands their roles on the team.  I am not that sold on Dickinson this year.  They certainly have the athletes on the team to compete in the league this year, but I watched that game last night online, and if other coaches/teams see how UC defended them they might have more troubles moving forward.  They were literally defending their guards standing mostly in the paint.  Dickinson actually was fortunate to have one of their guys hit a couple threes, but it wasn't from any of their athletic guards.  And for as much as their on-ball defense from these guards is talked about, the UC guards, specifically Knowles outplayed them.  Not sure what the Dickinson guards were doing on-ball, but they were giving up straight line drives to the baseline with absolutely no help behind.  UC actually missed more opportunities to take that straight line drive to get more lay-ups.  With their athletes, I'm not sure why Dickinson would be playing so far to one side of the offensive guy pretty much giving up that baseline straight drive.  I think they will struggle to be consistent if they (Dickinson) get defended that way in future games..just my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 13, 2017, 03:12:05 PM
Polly Math, I agree with you if you control the glass your own the court.  While the 3 pt line has changed the game, it is teams with big guys in the paint that make the difference.  They made plod and back their way in but it exposes the perimeter shooters to more free looks.  Whether man-to-man or zone they can't rotate fast enough to cover.  A big man with a mid-range jumper is a coach's dream.  Many perimeters shooters are just that, perimeter shooters.  If they don't have wide open looks they shoot miserably.  A team with a big man who can shoot mid-range and a perimeter shooter who can go to the iron will set a lot of teams on their heels.

And the CC does have a shortage now of big men.  I still think the CC is a bit weaker because  of it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on January 13, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
HoopGuru, not taking away from Ursinus who played very well and are a good team, but Dickinson did not execute on defense in that game. Offensively, the Red Devils scored enough points Thursday to have beaten Susquehanna, CNU and Swarthmore in their previous losses against those ranked teams. They were not connected on defense as you noted by the ease of which the Ursinus players had free runs to the rim in the half court. Not sure where the breakdowns were but the rotations just weren't there. You aren't going to win too many games giving up layups...unless of course you're trading twos for threes running the Grinnell system, which they aren't doing. Through the first part of the season, Dickinson had a top 20 defense. That is no longer the case and it's not due to who they're playing. As a Red Devil fan I'm ready to see the early season defense again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2017, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Team First on January 13, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
HoopGuru, not taking away from Ursinus who played very well and are a good team, but Dickinson did not execute on defense in that game. Offensively, the Red Devils scored enough points Thursday to have beaten Susquehanna, CNU and Swarthmore in their previous losses against those ranked teams. They were not connected on defense as you noted by the ease of which the Ursinus players had free runs to the rim in the half court. Not sure where the breakdowns were but the rotations just weren't there. You aren't going to win too many games giving up layups...unless of course you're trading twos for threes running the Grinnell system, which they aren't doing. Through the first part of the season, Dickinson had a top 20 defense. That is no longer the case and it's not due to who they're playing. As a Red Devil fan I'm ready to see the early season defense again.

To me it feels like the roster is stretched a little thin.  When they were really defending early on, they were getting outrebounded terribly.  It may be an issue of having to focus on both without quite the right manpower to do it well.  Do you know if Picka is going to make it back to the team this year?  That would really help give them some cover on both fronts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on January 14, 2017, 01:42:18 PM
Picka is in uniform warming up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2017, 07:41:12 PM
If this is the way Swarthmore plays all their games, they are the dirtest team in the league.  Between throwing elbows and undercutting rebounders, Swarthmore did all they could do to injure F&M's players.  Even their announcer was biased and obnoxious.  Several times after 'her' team was charged with an intentional foul, she admonished the crowd about sportsmanship.  These comments should have been directed at the Swarthmore players.  Cam Wiley appeared to be attempting to egg Jared Wright into a fight, knowing F&M is currently thin at the point guard spot(while Tate recuperates from an ankle injury incurred in the Albright game)  At one point Wiley tried to tackle Wright under the basket after his shot was blocked by Wright.  Wiley was, also, called for a technical near the end of the game.  Chris Bourne was called for 2 intentional fouls after nasty attacks on F&M players.  Yonda several times took out the feet of rebounders. Jordan Phelps was laid out with a deliberate elbow to the head, forcing him out of the game permanently to go through concussion protocol.
Federici had a quiet game scoring 21 points despite battling a cold.  J.C. McGrath proved he's a force scoring 30 on 10/14 shooting and going 10/10 from the foul line after constantly being pushed around.  F&M played solid defense outside keeping the Garnet from getting any good looks form the outside.  Bourne and Walsh played a solid game under the basket, trying to take advantage of their height.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on January 14, 2017, 10:43:33 PM
Was F&M v Swarthmore physical? Yes.
Wholesale cheapness by Swat with intent to injure? I don't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2017, 11:09:02 PM
Sure looked like it.  Where does tackling fit into basketball?  What about the elbow to the head of Phelps? 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 14, 2017, 11:43:19 PM
Quote from: Hoopdog14 on November 15, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
Moune will be tough to replace but Robinson always seems to have F&M land  their feet.  Swarthmore is the logical pick to win.Kosmalski is the top coach in the conference.  G-burg will have size and experience to battle and Nelson and Seretti will have Hopkins and Dickinson in contention with several key players returning.  Washington is still re-building and McDaniel may struggle.  Haverford will have ups and downs.   The Bears and the Mules don't have the horses or the coaching to muster up a challenge.

Hoopdog,

Any more thoughts?



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 15, 2017, 10:02:06 AM
Reserved Seat, sounds like a very physical game. What happened with the technical fouls? I am out of town and saw the score and your comments. Nothing on the game write-up about them.  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on January 15, 2017, 11:15:20 AM
 Hoop Dog,

Have you watched any Mules games of late? Strong start, but seem to be falling apart as they have in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 15, 2017, 11:38:36 AM
Gabriel- I think it is fair to say that in large part the CC is going along as I expected with 2 notable exceptions.  I will admit I completely missed Ursinus.  They look well rounded and tough.  I am surprised with how poorly Gettysburg is playing given the returning players

CentCraze88- Yes and no surprise. Look at the "strong start" of the Mules. The quality of teams  they beat early would struggle against some high school teams.  The have gone to the zone and any team that can shoot is giving them fits.  McClary went to a zone because most of the players got beat consistently or ended in foul trouble. Offensively,  unlike previous years, he doesn't have a player that can shoot or go strong to the rim.  He's made a big bet on a couple he thought could---he is flat wrong.

Give the games the past week, it is going to be a dog  fight with the notable exception of 2 or 3 teams.

PS Swat please tough defense, hard but not dirty-- McDaniel brings a similar attitude to the defensive end
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2017, 12:35:49 PM
Swat Fan #1
Several individuals that watched the game on line asked me in church what was up with Swarthmore.  I said Swarthmore seemed frustrated by their play this week and were going to take it out on some one.
Another person email with the following comment--"I watched the whole thing on my computer. Looked like Cam Wiley was on a mission to take someone out. Swat looks frustrated -- they got waxed by JHU and F&M in back to back games."

Does anyone have an explanation for why the elbow to Phelps wasn't intentional? I realize the officials didn't call it, because they didn't see it. It was a shot to the head away from the ball. No foul was called because the officials were watching the play, not the players in the back court.  Phelps immediately fell to the floor, and despite the fact Swarthmore had the ball, the official almost immediately blew the whistle to stop the play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 15, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
Didn't watch that Swat/F&M game but from what's being said it makes them come across as fake tough. Things aren't going their way and they act like that isn't a good look. Hope that stuff wasn't intentional. If it was intentional, the swat player definitely benefited from lack of replay.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on January 15, 2017, 09:28:39 PM
What a year in the Centennial!! We have two clear heavyweights - Swarthmore and Franklin & Marshall. I know F&M got off to a slow start -  but given the week they just had (an absolute slaughter of the Mules and a double digit win over Swartmore) I can't imagine the conference final doesn't come down to those two. 

Honestly, very disappointed with the performance of both Gettysburg and Muhlenberg.  I thought both of these teams would be vying to jump in to the upper echelon of the conference, but from what I've seen online, they both appear to be dire situations.  Gettysburg's decline is truly shocking; although they lost some key pieces from last year, I thought they would be able to hang tough.  Given their recent success, I kind of assumed a strong culture had been established in that locker room.  On the other hand, the Mules season seems to be just in line with recent years.  Although they sit at .500 in the conference, they have also been absolutely DEMOLISHED by F&M and Swat, and just had an absolutely disgusting lost against McDaniel at home.  With trips to Hopkins and McDaniel and Swarthmore still coming up, I can't see a scenario where this team bounces back.  While they aren't truly a bottom feeder, no progress has been made in this program in recent years as they toil away in a wasteland of mediocrity (which might be generous term for describing recent developments in Allentown).

Excited to see what the rest of the year has in store for us!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2017, 10:08:20 PM
Not sure how anyone can say F&M is a heavyweight. They started horribly in conference and don't forget their performance against McDaniel. I know they have had a couple of good games of late, but I need to see a bit more before jumping on their bandwagon seems like the right idea. I think the conference is a free for all this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 16, 2017, 07:50:03 AM
It could very well come down to those 2 teams but by no means are they both heavyweights in the conference. A Heavyweight doesn't go 0-2 in a week where the games weren't even that close. I agree. Free for all this year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 16, 2017, 09:16:24 AM
Way too early to be calling F&M a heavyweight, especially after starting 1-4 in the CC. Sure, a 3-0 week looks nice, and the win at Swat was fantastic, but to call them a heavyweight is way too premature, especially with a home loss to Ursinus already on their slate, and 2 games yet to come against Dickinson, plus a trip to Ursinus.

As has been said, this conference is a free for all. Is it great from a national, conference to conference comparison standpoint? No, probably not. But, is it entertaining? You bet it is.

Only three games of separation between first and eighth place, about halfway through the conference slate, is crazy.

The league is still wide open, as far as it looks to me. There's definitely not a clear cut heavyweight.....especially after how Swat got dominated twice this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2017, 12:48:06 PM

It'll all center around whether putting McGrath in the starting line-up will continue to pay off.  It's working right now, but it is just one week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 16, 2017, 12:57:31 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2017, 12:48:06 PM

It'll all center around whether putting McGrath in the starting line-up will continue to pay off.  It's working right now, but it is just one week.

Indeed. Looks great for now, might be the answer they need in the post.

Interesting round of games coming this week. Dickinsonat F&M, McDaniel at Gettysburg, and Ursinus at Muhlenberg highlights Wednesday's action. We'll see if the Bears can keep their 4-0 CC road record intact. And Swarthmore at Dickinson is the big one Saturday.

Although, quite frankly, with as jumbled as the standings are, every game this week could be big (that's a blanket statement, I suppose).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 16, 2017, 03:58:07 PM
CentCraz88  You correct that it is hard to see the Mules moving higher.  Their record even in the CC is a bit deceiving.  They lost to McDaniel at home, crushed by a F&M team who struggled and now will play some of the top teams as away games.  Overall record a bit dubious as they have 4 early season wins against teams that had a combined record of 16-43 (37%).  They have no leaders on the court or the  bench. 

It will be interesting to see what Swat is made of after the past week.  And is the ship righted at F&M.  It will be a dogfight for the top 4 spots
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2017, 04:17:03 PM
Using McGrath gives up height, but his athleticism should compensate for that difference.  Owana, Phelps, and Lior can provide key minutes in the paint.  Stoma could be back in a couple of weeks.  F&M needs both Tate and Wright to be healthy to have depth at the point.  With Sylka able to back up Federici and Hunter and all 3 staying injury-free gives F&M depth at 2/3.  Osley can add improve minutes on defense and drives to the basket.  Rice and Jimenez can add help in case of foul trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 16, 2017, 04:42:18 PM
UC Bears improved results are due somewhat to improved play of their forwards Janicot, Quattro, Stark and Big Joe LoStracco.  They have been defending, rebounding and even scoring a bit.  Biggest factor, however, is that Matt Knowles has returned to being the player he was prior to his ACL tear at Dickinson last year.  It just takes at least a year to recover fully from that type of injury and it looks like he has.  Nobody works harder.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 16, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Gabriel:

Not sure if you knew this or not but Matt also tore his ACL midway into the season his junior year in HS at Scranton Prep.

Extremely hard working young man who's now fought through & rehabbed this injury twice.

I think his best game as a collegian may have come at the Pallestra vs. Penn.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 16, 2017, 06:48:21 PM
Looking forward to the F&M/Ursinus rematch at Collegeville.  The Bears looked great against F&M in the first match up.  They're the best team I've seen so far, but I won't see Dickinson until Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 16, 2017, 07:30:57 PM
There are no heavywheights in the CC. Swat is a really good team with only two noteable wins: Mis and Catholic. Heavywheights are teams that have proven the ability to win now and win in the tournament. Dickinson has proven to be the only heavyweight in recent years. They will be there in the end again. Heavyweight teams play better non conference opponents than SWAT did outside of Catholic/Rown. Swat is a tough team in the CC, if they have to play length and athleticism with tough gritty playmakers, I don't see them able to compete- see Rowan. Until Swat does something outside the CC and on the national stage, reserve the heavyweight label. Christopher Newport is a heavyweight, not Swat.

Disclaimer- I really enjoy watching the CC. I follow MAC too.  Two examples would be Delaware Valley and Alvernia. In recent years they have been to the NCAA tournament multiple times but have not been able to get out of the first round at all. Even being blown out at times. So while some may call them heavy weights for dominating the conference they are not. Christopher Newport is the perfect example right now of a heavywheight.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on January 16, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
Honestly, just liked what I saw from F&M in the past week especially given some injuries, and I think there is too much talent on that team for them not to be a conference finalist.  You guys all bring up valid points - but I'll take the talent and Coach Robinson's experience, which is a major advantage over some of the half-wits that are head coaches in this conference.  However, I digress.

HoopDog14 - Such a shame to see a program in such a state.  They never can quite figure out how to put it all together - this year their rotation consists largely of experienced upperclassmen who have been playing over the past two years, yet the struggles are mighty evident.  Guess I shouldn't be surprised, the way that loaded Class of 2014 (Hargrove & Curry) wilted down the stretch.  I've heard they've had good success in other programs, wish the basketball team could bounce back. 


Thoughts on the toughest places to play in the Cent? I've always heard that McDaniel draws a very vocal crowd, never been though...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on January 16, 2017, 09:20:21 PM
As for my mid season awards:

Most Improved Player: Joe Scibelli Haverford College.

Most Valuable Player: Robbie Walsh Swarthmore College.

Tremendous rim protector, sets effective screens and understands role. Best player on best team, stats do not tell the story here.

Most Disappointing Player: Jule Brown Dickinson College.

Never really improved much after a UPenn commitment, hopefully Seretti can turn this around.

Coach on the Hot Seat: Scott McClary Muhlenberg College

Mules are again about to hit the depths. A talented lineup that consistently fails to put it all together. Look no further than Jean Lee Baez who is a force from Kutztown, shooting 76% from the field and cannot get on the floor.

Defensive Player of the Year: Brandon Fedrici Franklin and Marshall.

Most steals in the league, simple as that.

Sleeper going Forward: Danny Duffey Gettysburg College

Engineers a fluid offense. Showed a promising stroke in high school and will only continue to improve as his team wittles away in the rugged centennial conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nothingbutnet on January 17, 2017, 08:35:43 AM
Quote from: CentCraze88 on January 16, 2017, 09:20:21 PM

Defensive Player of the Year: Brandon Fedrici Franklin and Marshall.

Most steals in the league, simple as that.


I don't think having the most steals equates to DPOY. I would put Walsh there because of his rim protection, which you mentioned.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on January 17, 2017, 10:13:35 AM
Steals is a very incomplete metric for defense. How about who is assigned to defend the opposition's best scorer night after night? Or how about defensive rebounding or blocks? Then there is the whole concept of ball pressure and off the ball positioning and activity; help defense. Depending on the overall defensive strategy, steals could be a meaningless metric.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2017, 10:14:53 AM

Federici isn't even the best defensive player on his own team - and I think even HE'D agree with that assessment.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MACsouthwest on January 17, 2017, 10:20:55 AM
Old school hoop fact of the Day...   

The top 2 Coaches in all-time Wins in D3, both started in the same Conference.   The "old" MAC Southwest conference, which eventually turned into the Centennial Conference with the combination of the MAC Southwest schools (F&M, Dickinson, Gettysburg, Muhlenberg and McDaniel) and MAC South (Ursinus, Swarthmore, Haverford, JHU and Washington).  The tournament back then was top 2 schools from each Division (4 total of 14?) with only 1 NCAA bid.   Coach Moore was 9-4 against Coach Robinson in 6 years.  After Moore left for Wooster in '87,  both the Wooster program and F&M have exploded and become synonymous with Winning.   F&M did have some earlier success in the late 70's, early 80's, but the consistency really started in late 80's.  Reserved Seat is in a better position to know those facts..   Between Robinson and Moore there are over 1700 Wins..   That is crazy!

All-Time Division III MBB Coaching Victories

  1. Glenn Robinson, Franklin & Marshall - 920 *
   2. Steve Moore, Wooster - 787 *
   3. Jim Smith, St. John's - 786
   4. Dave Hixon, Amherst - 777 *
   5. Dennis Bridges, Illinois Wesleyan - 666

  * Coach is active


   













 




 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2017, 10:55:15 AM
Quote from: MACsouthwest on January 17, 2017, 10:20:55 AM
Old school hoop fact of the Day...   

The top 2 Coaches in all-time Wins in D3, both started in the same Conference.   The "old" MAC Southwest conference, which eventually turned into the Centennial Conference with the combination of the MAC Southwest schools (F&M, Dickinson, Gettysburg, Muhlenberg and McDaniel) and MAC South (Ursinus, Swarthmore, Haverford, JHU and Washington).  The tournament back then was top 2 schools from each Division (4 total of 14?) with only 1 NCAA bid.   Coach Moore was 9-4 against Coach Robinson in 6 years.  After Moore left for Wooster in '87,  both the Wooster program and F&M have exploded and become synonymous with Winning.   F&M did have some earlier success in the late 70's, early 80's, but the consistency really started in late 80's.  Reserved Seat is in a better position to know those facts..   Between Robinson and Moore there are over 1700 Wins..   That is crazy!

All-Time Division III MBB Coaching Victories

  1. Glenn Robinson, Franklin & Marshall - 920 *
   2. Steve Moore, Wooster - 787 *
   3. Jim Smith, St. John's - 786
   4. Dave Hixon, Amherst - 777 *
   5. Dennis Bridges, Illinois Wesleyan - 666

  * Coach is active


   













 






Also coaching in the MAC(albeit the Northern half) was Scranton's Bob Bessoir with a national title in this period('81-'86) and 554 overall.
  The northern half of the MAC also had a 4-team post-season playoff(2 from each division) for another NCAA AQ. So the MAC had 2 NCAA AQ spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 17, 2017, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: CentCraze88 on January 16, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
Honestly, just liked what I saw from F&M in the past week especially given some injuries, and I think there is too much talent on that team for them not to be a conference finalist.  You guys all bring up valid points - but I'll take the talent and Coach Robinson's experience, which is a major advantage over some of the half-wits that are head coaches in this conference.  However, I digress.

HoopDog14 - Such a shame to see a program in such a state.  They never can quite figure out how to put it all together - this year their rotation consists largely of experienced upperclassmen who have been playing over the past two years, yet the struggles are mighty evident.  Guess I shouldn't be surprised, the way that loaded Class of 2014 (Hargrove & Curry) wilted down the stretch.  I've heard they've had good success in other programs, wish the basketball team could bounce back. 


Thoughts on the toughest places to play in the Cent? I've always heard that McDaniel draws a very vocal crowd, never been though...

Yes G Rob's experience is of value, no doubt. Dickinson can be crazy come playoff time, Washington, when good is small and the students are on top of you; Ursinus in their hay day (Stanton, Hilton, McGarvey) was rocking....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2017, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: MACsouthwest on January 17, 2017, 10:20:55 AM
Old school hoop fact of the Day...   

The top 2 Coaches in all-time Wins in D3, both started in the same Conference.   The "old" MAC Southwest conference, which eventually turned into the Centennial Conference with the combination of the MAC Southwest schools (F&M, Dickinson, Gettysburg, Muhlenberg and McDaniel) and MAC South (Ursinus, Swarthmore, Haverford, JHU and Washington).  The tournament back then was top 2 schools from each Division (4 total of 14?) with only 1 NCAA bid.   Coach Moore was 9-4 against Coach Robinson in 6 years.  After Moore left for Wooster in '87,  both the Wooster program and F&M have exploded and become synonymous with Winning.   F&M did have some earlier success in the late 70's, early 80's, but the consistency really started in late 80's.  Reserved Seat is in a better position to know those facts..   Between Robinson and Moore there are over 1700 Wins..   That is crazy!

All-Time Division III MBB Coaching Victories

  1. Glenn Robinson, Franklin & Marshall - 920 *
   2. Steve Moore, Wooster - 787 *
   3. Jim Smith, St. John's - 786
   4. Dave Hixon, Amherst - 777 *
   5. Dennis Bridges, Illinois Wesleyan - 666

  * Coach is active

The best part about this as well... both coaches racked up a lot of their wins, and NCAA playoff berths, by staying at home. Both have multiple home tournaments and both have been accused of not leaving their gyms especially when playing tougher competition. The "new" SOS, especially when the weighted measure was added, has forced these two to change a little bit, but they haven't changed that much. Both squads tend to have surprisingly low SOS numbers and you can't blame the conference each year for that.

I am not taking anything away from the accomplishments of both men. Those are a LOT of games to win. It doesn't happen easily. Heck, two of the top four coaches have the two best winning percentages of this decade (Moore [Wooster] and Hixon [Amherst])... but they also did a nice job to make sure home court was their advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MACsouthwest on January 17, 2017, 12:34:26 PM
Dave-

Very true.   I think those Mule teams under Moore were like 24-2 at home over a two year span in mid 80's.  Long time ago...   Wooster gets great crowds and local support.  Same for Meyser when school is in session.  That definitely helps...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on January 17, 2017, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: Team First on January 17, 2017, 10:13:35 AM
Steals is a very incomplete metric for defense. How about who is assigned to defend the opposition's best scorer night after night? Or how about defensive rebounding or blocks? Then there is the whole concept of ball pressure and off the ball positioning and activity; help defense. Depending on the overall defensive strategy, steals could be a meaningless metric.

The only objective measures that actually show individual defensive impact (and none of those are even close to perfect) aren't available en masse for college teams. DPOY is very much subjective ... and it's not a real conference award in the Centennial anyway, so I guess it's just a fun topic to chat about, nothing more.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 17, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
CentCraze88  I agree it is a shame the Mules program is in decline.  McClary has gone from 18-9 in 2011-12 to 11-14 in 2015-16, a trend that shows more losses than the previous year.  Gone are Liddick, Hargrove,  Killing and Stavetski all conference players for the Mules as well as Curry and O'Hara.  All misused along the way.  Current players experienced but none drawing the respect of the past Mules.  They are finding it difficult without a defense focusing on someone else.  Baez has the skills but he is often hurt and no where in playing shape in the time he has been with Mules.

Toughest gym?? Washington followed by McDaniel.  WaCo is small dark dingy and loud.  McDaniel is loud but not the "charm" of WaCo

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on January 17, 2017, 03:11:06 PM
I've seen guys who had lots of steals and were terrible defenders.  They fly out into the passing lane and occasionally get a steal.  the rest of the time they fly out, get nothing, and now its 5 against 4 for the next 6 seconds.  Not saying that applies to Federici, who generally plays within himself, but I don't think of him as a great defender.  The top offensive weapon on a team rarely is, since they are usually instructed to avoid foul trouble, and have to defend with some caution, at least until later in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2017, 04:22:43 PM
MACsouthwest--Mayser's attention is very poor when it comes to student support.  The crowd is mostly community until play-offs begin.  Ursinus use to have great student support(I assume it's up this year), and Dickinson fluctuates from year to year.  Last year when I was at Dickinson I was surprised the student support wasn't as loud as the previous years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 17, 2017, 06:06:41 PM
I'm biased but I would put Knowles up there for POY. He was playing at a 1st team all league level last year prior to the ACL tear. If he can lead this team to a playoff spot, possibly hosting the playoffs, I think he could get the award.

And I agree with what is being talked about regarding DPOY. I do not believe steals are a good indication of being a good defensive player. Actually, steals could very well be a product of other people playing good defense. Such as great on ball pressure by a defender who deflects a pass to the player stealing the ball. That player will get credit for steal but wasn't main reason for it.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 17, 2017, 09:00:13 PM
I was recently trying to check out the F&M v. Swat game on portal, however the game is requireing that I submit a password to watch it. Does anyomne know the password or someone I could contact to have the game unlocked. All of the other CC games on portal are password free for viewers to watch on later dates.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 17, 2017, 09:06:18 PM
I was recently trying to check out the F&M v. Swat game on portal, however the game is requireing that I submit a password to watch it. Does anyomne know the password or someone I could contact to have the game unlocked. All of the other CC games on portal are password free for viewers to watch on later dates.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 17, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
HoopGuru,

Couldn't agree more about Knowles.  Terrific ball player.  Torn ACL in high school and the other last year.  Could also be in the conversation for defensive player of the year if there was such an honor.  Plays within himself and the "team first" concept. 

Steals frequently lead to a breakdown in team defense.  Mike McGarvey (Ursinus 2003-2006) was an exception as was Milligan (F&M).  Both had lightning quick hands but stayed within the team concept.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nothingbutnet on January 18, 2017, 01:08:43 PM
Predictions for tonight's games:

McDaniel > Gettysburg
Hopkins > Washington
Ursinus > Muhlenberg
F&M > Dickinson
Swarthmore > Haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 18, 2017, 10:25:38 PM
It took three overtime periods but the Bears got it done-----winning 99-97 in the Muhl Barn.  Bears had an off night falling behind by 12 points right out of the gate and trailed by 8 at the half.  Quattro kept them in the game in the first half with 15 of his 21 points and Eric Williams overcame the Muhls zone in the second half and finished with 29 points including 9 three pointers.  McDaniel next which is always tough in their building. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2017, 11:07:34 PM
Moses and Elijah almost lead their team to the promise land in regulation by closing an F&M 15 lead (with 11 minutes to go) to 0, forcing overtime.  In a highly contested game, both teams fought an entertaining, hard-fought battle.  Fantastic foul shooting by the Red Devils kept them in the game.(21/22).  F&M shot only 71% from the line(32/45).  With the knowledge that F&M struggles at the line(32/45), Dickinson kept putting F&M on the line at the close of the second half(3 fouls in the last minute and two more in previous minute) and the close of the overtime period(6 fouls in the closing minute and two more in the previous minute) for a total of 13 fouls in crunch time.  F&M started the overtime period with 2 quick threes, forcing the Red Devils to play from behind early in the overtime period. 
Federici ended up 33 points of which 13 came in overtime.  Wright, Eggers, Tate, and McGrath climbed the ladder with 11, 12, 13, and 14 points respectively. Wright, Melton, and Hinckley lead the Red Devils with 23, 19, and 17 points.
Rebounds were fairly even, as were most categories.
Should be another battle in Carlisle in February.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2017, 11:09:21 PM
There was a large student crowd for a change at Mayser, but not very vocal.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 18, 2017, 11:14:23 PM
What were the techs at the end of the Dickisnon v F&M game issued for?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 18, 2017, 11:22:31 PM
Frustration.  After a foul shot by Hunter, two of the Dickinson players appeared to be trying to draw a foul on Owana as he turned to go upcourt after a made foul shot.  One of the players appeared to flop to the floor(which the NBA has tried to eliminate), when he didn't get the call he was called for an ensuing foul(frustration) which caused him to say something to the official.  His coach rushed onto the court to contest the call and earned another technical.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on January 18, 2017, 11:38:32 PM
F&M and Ursinus with impressive victories tonight.  F&M seems to be heating up at the right time, and always tough to win a triple OT game on the road.  Par for the course for Swat and Hopkins tonight, although vastly different score differentials, a win is a win.  Guess the surprise of the night was Gettysburg over McDaniel, but not too surprising given the volatility of the conference sometimes.

Think the playoff picture is getting clearer - Swat, F&M, Ursinus, Dickinson, and Hopkins will be the playoff teams (and possibly in that order), while the Mules, Bullets, Green Terror, Shoremen, and Fords have their season end early.  Of course, anything could happen, like a game changing injury (god forbid), but I believe this is the way that the standings shakeout.  If you had asked me before the season, I think I definitely would have included Gettysburg and possibly the Mules at well.  I know the Bullets lost some players, but I thought that they would be able to just plug guys in to their system and experience similar levels of success.  As for the Mules, it is clear they have some talented pieces - particularly LaRose and Rindock but I don't think they will be able to make it back into the playoffs. Disappointing for both I suppose...

Swat has had a really impressive turnaround within the past three years, maybe Haverford could experience something similar?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2017, 07:34:35 AM

Well, I guess my bold prediction will prove incorrect, although, at the time it seemed pretty good.  Maybe I'll pretend the Dips saw it and were inspired to turn their season around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2017, 09:47:44 AM
Ryan, you were talking about the old team; this is a new team.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on January 19, 2017, 10:33:19 AM
Ryan. Still a lot of ball to play. But yes, the Dips are looking like they are a top 5 team. Dickinson needs to put 40 minutes together. Hell, I'd settle for 38 lol. I don't know what to make of the defensive lack of focus at times but it looks like it's personnel related to me. This certainly can't continue if they want to win the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 19, 2017, 11:08:26 AM
Mules-Bears was difficult to watch.  Bears fought back from a 14 point deficit at one time.  Bears went 29 of 74 form the field and making 17 out of 41 from 3s.  E Willaims had a outstanding game with 29 points going 9 for 18 from deep.  Knowles was off being held to 1 feild goal in the first half but finished with 15. Quattro chipped in with 21.  Bears however could not take advantage of the gaping hole in the middle of the Mules zone scoring 16 in the paint.

LaRose ended up with a double double (28 & 10 ) largely to the Bears bailing him out with fouls as he hit 14 of 16 from the stripe.  Mules shot over 90% as a team.  Gnias, the frosh PG had 13 and may be the Mule to watch in upcoming games and seasons.  Rindock had 10 pts in the first half and disappeared for the 2nd half and 3 OTs to finish with 10.

In the end no real surprises
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2017, 11:39:20 AM
I thought Muhlenberg played well last night----better than I expected given the way they have been criticized in this forum.  Looks like the coach has been studying Jim Boeheim's philosophy regarding the virtues and strategies of zone defenses.  Syracuse adjust's their zones to take away what an opponent does best.  In this game so did Muhlenberg.  They stretched their zone to defend the Bear's perimeter shooting and the driving lanes and they did that very well. This left Hunter to take care of defending the low post and he did that. They did not worry about defending the high post because there was no threat there.  Gaping hole---yes--but the Bears did not take advantage.  Are the Mules a talented team?  No!  But they are not a bad team and they appeared to be playing together with no visible signs of dissension such as they had during the Killing years. No one should take them lightly, especially in the Mule Barn.

Disclaimer----I am a Bears fan and really liked their grit on a night when they did not play very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 19, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
In theory you may be right but in reality not so much.  The Mules went to a zone full tie because they got burned with a couple of guys who can't D-up and other get into foul trouble   If they took away what the Bears did best how any 3s would Williams had hit if they didn't

And logic would tell you Hunter would be key but he is averaging 17 minutes a game, 5 less than last year.  He has started only 5 games.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 19, 2017, 03:51:24 PM
Mules actually played a really good game but when it came down to it Ursinus shooting and a terrible last secound foul by LaRose proved to be too much for the Mules to overcome. Anywhere between 3 to 4 of Eric Williams 3's were really well contested shots that he just got the better of the Mules defene. The Mules defense has steadily improved over the season, but Ursinus shooting has been hot all year and remains to be hot.

I highly doubt if LaRose didn't foul Remi Janicot (whose a decent but not great 3pt shooter) in the last seconds of the final OT, Ursinus would have been able to pull the W out. They were being out coached and out played by the Mules. With some composure and better communication on the Mules behalf and with more consistency out of their zone defense, the Mules would have defineitly pulled this game out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: givengo on January 19, 2017, 05:03:07 PM
My view on those technicals at F&M...the F&M player turned and ran right into and over Elijah Wright.  Layed him out,much bigger player mowing down a smaller guy. not enough space, and not a flop. Just happened, nothing intentional but the officials ignored it. E was talking as he got up, talking to refs, no idea what he said, but he was T'd up immediately, and maybe he deserved it, maybe not.   
But what I saw next should not have happened.  Coach Seretti moved onto the court to engage the ref.  He was not heated, He was under control as always,  yet the ref quickly called a double technical to remove Coach Seretti from the game. It was a bad call. At most it should have been just a technical foul for stepping onto the court.  I was sitting three rows behind the Dickinson bench and could hear everything they said. I heard not a word from Coach Seretti. That ref took him out of the game when he should not have.   I've been to enough games between Dickinson and F&M at both locations over the past seven years. I've observed Coach Robinson exploit his his seniority and standing in coaching circles on several occasions, pushing it well beyond the limits of acceptability.  I've seen him charge onto the court screaming more than a few times without recourse.  Hey, I'd do it too if it was me, but on examination what happened to Coach Seretti, just should not have. 
This was an extreme overreaction by a less than qualified official.  Another fan near me mentioned that he is familiar with that particular ref, having seen him calling CYO games in Philly five years ago. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on January 19, 2017, 05:25:46 PM
Givengo. I was watching online and Coach Seretti was walking straight towards the camera and there was no reason to do what that official did; a total overreaction. Not that it would have changed the outcome, but it made any last moment heroics impossible...essentially ended the game. The Red Devils need to improve their play. They have plenty of pieces; it looks to be more about focus and consistency. Nobody in this league is good enough to win without playing well. I'm anxious to see how they perform on Saturday against Swat. Motivation should not be a problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on January 19, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
I was watching from across the way; Seretti was practically at the mid-court circle.  That has to be a double T. But it also looked to me like he was trying to get he ref away from his player, because Wright was still fuming and looked like he might do something really regrettable if the ref came closer.  Seretti was smiling as he left the floor and apologized to the ref -- I think he knew what he was doing all along and it worked, because Wright is their best player and is available to play on Saturday. Had Seretti just watched...maybe not.   I didn't see any flop; Wright got clobbered and resented the no call.  I suspect the 45-22 disparity in free throws awarded added to his frustration.  He'll learn.  That's life in the Centennial Conference -- don't be expecting a lot of calls if you are the visiting team anywhere.   

Dickinson looked to me like a fast talented but inconsistent (i.e.,young) team.  5 minutes of excellence followed by 5 minutes of sloppy.  Ball hawking defense comes and goes.  They are also hurt by a lack of rebounding heft. F&M was up 13 with 10 to go and Dickinson looked dreadful.  I was amazed that Dickinson got it to OT.   

F&M took their foot off the gas a little early -- that would have been a really painful loss.  Kudos to Federici for a refuse to lose performance in OT.  Three treys in a row pretty much ended the dispute. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2017, 07:21:04 PM
Looking at the replay, Seretti was about 2/3's the way across the court before he was T-ed up.  The replay doesn't should much contact between Owana and Wright.  Also, the disparity in fouls was caused by Dickinson taking fouls in the last minute of the second half and the last minute of the overtime.  During that time period there were 9 fouls called. There were another 4 fouls called the minute prior to the the time period mentioned.  If you take out the 9 fouls in the last minutes, the fouls called were even; and if you take out the other 4, the fouls were F&M 21 and Dickinson 17.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2017, 07:22:29 PM
I, also, think Polly Math is correct in that Seretti knew what he was doing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2017, 08:52:52 PM
Quote from: Hoopdog14 on January 19, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
In theory you may be right but in reality not so much.  The Mules went to a zone full tie because they got burned with a couple of guys who can't D-up and other get into foul trouble   If they took away what the Bears did best how any 3s would Williams had hit if they didn't

And logic would tell you Hunter would be key but he is averaging 17 minutes a game, 5 less than last year.  He has started only 5 games.

Is a zone a second rate defense?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on January 19, 2017, 09:01:24 PM
Except for Bill Nelson, Seretti is about the last coach in the conference you would expect to lose his temper and get a T.  Pretty cool customer.  It was a smart move.  Can't have your best player out because he lost his temper in garbage time. 

And for all the arm waving, Robinson is pretty good at figuring out where the ref's limit is, and staying behind it. 

Still say F&M got the better whistles.  Dickinson got hit with several off ball fouls (and F&M had one or two) that suggested that the one ref did not approve of the concept of boxing out.  Not saying the game was unfair. Not at all.  But the home teams in this conference generally get the slight edge from the zebras. Of course, none of them think so!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 19, 2017, 10:58:21 PM
@givengo if that was not a flop :o OMG please tell me what is!!! He basically ran into Owena and feel on his own!!! I got a chance to rewatch the game and if this was the NBA he would have certainly recieved a fine. My goodness you would've thought he was a drama major with that acting job. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 19, 2017, 11:12:13 PM
If you watch the play again after Tate converts on the second of two free throws, Elijah goes after Owana shoulder straight to the neck area well after the free throw had went in and was preparing to be rebounded. I personally know Owana and he wouldn't harm a fly. The contact that caused Brown to fall was initiated by Elijah and after a terrible flop job and the right no call by the ref, he got tempremental and should have been ejected from the game. So to the point many are making Coach Seretti did a great job stepping in to "save" his player who should have been ejected and suspended.

Now I was not at the game but after watching the play and what lead up to almost 5 times now, there is no way anyone in their right mind could question if Lionel ran into Elijah. While I am a hge fan of the Diplomats, this observation was soley made on the premise of watching good basketball and making sure the right calls are made. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2017, 07:20:43 AM

The boxscore only shows one technical.  Not that it means anything, just interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 20, 2017, 10:42:27 AM
GoDiplomats:  If the Mules did this If the Mules did that. I don't think the standings are W-L-Ifs??  So 3-4 of Williams 3s were contested? So 5-6were wide open. Never said Zone was a poor defense.  Poorly played zone is.  Defense is effort plain and simple. 

Better composure and communications but they  outplayed and outcoached??  9 games into the conference schedule with a veteran squad is having a composure and communications problems??   If you outplay and outcoach a team you don't blow a 14 point lead at home
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 20, 2017, 07:11:50 PM
to centcraze88
"Swat has had a really impressive turnaround within the past three years, maybe Haverford could experience something similar?"

Haverford would need to change the coach, like swat did, in order to turn it around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on January 20, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
My selections for tomorrows slate:

Hopkins over mules
F&M over haverford
Swat over Dickinson
Gettysburg over Washington
Ursinus over McDaniel

Taking Swat and Ursinus both on the road, we'll see how my picks pan out.

Think these are must win games for Gettysburg, Muhlenberg, and McDaniel.  They all sit at 4-5, and I think that the Bullets and Green Terror need to take care of business at home to keep their chances alive.  While a road trip to Hopkins may be tough, the Mules have a victory over them and I think there is a better chance that hell freezes over than the Mules steal a win @ Swat or even at home against F&M.  Think all of these teams will be pulling hard for Swarthmore tomorrow- think the team most likely to fall out of the Top 5 is Dickinson, with the runner up likely being Hopkins.

Federici just became the league's leading scorer, which, if I were a betting man, is going to hold that way the rest of the season.  Like how the Dips  seem to be turning the corner, really looking forward to Swat-F&M, hopefully I'll be able to make it to one of those games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 21, 2017, 03:14:29 PM
Unlike their last game the road was unkind to the Bears.  They held a slim lead at half but McDaniel came out with an aggressive man-to-man defense and went up by a couple of buckets while holding the Bears scoreless for the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half.  The Bears never really recovered.

McDaniels turned 14 turnovers in 16 points.  The McDaniel's D held Ursinus to 42% shootong overall but 24% from 3s.  McWilliams had 21 for McD while Cannon added 19.  Knowles Quattro and Janicot had double figures for but Williams coming off a huge games against the Mules was held to 5.

Hard fought game by both teams
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 21, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
McDaniel plays tough at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 21, 2017, 07:23:48 PM
That F&M game was ugly.
Took OT to hold off Haverford who had 2 wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 21, 2017, 07:53:52 PM
Certainly was ugly.  F&M couldn't buy a shot in the first half.  F&M shot under 20%.  Zero for nine from beyond the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on January 22, 2017, 09:25:52 PM
Cannot believe some of the results yesterday!!!

Gettysburg blowing it at home, F&M barely making it by Haverford, and the Mules, in a huge game, getting just blown out.  Not too surprised about McDaniel/Ursinus, always to play the green terror at their turf.  Looks like the McDaniel/Dickinson game on February 1st is going to be a game with major playoff implications, as I think that will be McDaniel's best shot at trying to weasel their way back into the playoff picture.  Anybody have any insights into the games that were played yesterday?

In non-cent news, how about the Falcons? They look phenomenal, think the Super Bowl will be something to behold.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 23, 2017, 08:56:33 AM
F&M couldn't buy a basket in the first half of that game, but once Federici and company got going, it was only just a matter of time

Ursinus couldn't stay undefeated in conference road games forever, and McDaniel has always been a toug place for them to play

The Mules are too streaky to trust, and I think Hopkins is starting to play their best basketball at the right time of the year, based on their recent results.....a 5 point loss to Dickinson is their only loss in their last 6 conference games

Swarthmore completely kept the lid on the Dickinson basket for the opening 10 minutes of the second half, allowing the garnet to build a comfortabke lead and get a huge road win

And as for Gettysburg/Washington, well, neither team could make a shot, but the biggest similarity to the first meeting this year was the press defense. Gettysburg couldn't handle it and turned the ball over way too many times in the first meeting, and they did the exact same thing on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 23, 2017, 10:47:44 AM
Mules is same story different day.  Early on it was 16-16 tie.  Hopkins went on a 13-0 run and the game for all purposes was over. McLeod started strong with 11 points for the Mules but got into foul trouble.  Rindock hit 2 3s in the first couple of minutes then 4 for the balance of the night.  LaRose was contained and shot 2 of 7 while Schreer disappeared going 0-6 and 0-4 from deep.

Hopkins had a well balanced attack as Gordon canned 17 to lead JHU 5 players in double digit.  Hopkins had 30 points in the paint and 20 off of turnovers.


Simple story of one team rising and one falling
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 25, 2017, 12:27:04 PM
The Mules snapped their losing streak beating King's College however high fives are not in order.  For King's it was their 11th straight loss and now sport a 4-13 record   King's final shot attempt rolled off the rim to give the Mules a 1 point victory after leading by as much as 9 points.  King's sealed their own fate hitting only 9 of 20 of their free throws while the Mules hit a sizzling 23 of 27.
Offense was in limited supply for both teams.  Rutecki was game's leading scorer knocking in 18 for Kings as Baez led the Mules with 12 going 5 of 7. Rindock was only other Mule in double figure.  LaRose went 2 of 6, with 10 turnovers, to put up 9 on a 2 of 7 attempts.

Mules back at home for conference game against Dickinson Thursday
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2017, 11:05:05 PM
Lior
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 27, 2017, 09:32:47 AM
Lior!!!!

Saved the Diplomats from what would have been a heartbreaking loss last night to a subpar Gettysburg team. I really wonder what his career would have been like, had Coach Robinson given him more time to play. He reminds me of the mold of a Hayk Gyokchyan but lesser skilled.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on January 27, 2017, 02:41:44 PM
The Dickinson/Muhlenberg game was one of the sorriest display of offense I have ever witnessed.  The final score 72-58 belied how poorly the game was played.  5 minutes into the game the Devils did not score a point.  It was 10-0.  For the first half they shot an abysmal 20% and not because of a smothering Mules defense.  Uncontested jumpers and lay-ups clanged off the rim.  Half time saw the Mules up 32-15.  However in true Mules fashion they managed to let a 20 point lead in the first half to fade back to 8 deep into the 2nd half.   Dickinson outscored the Mules 43-40 in the 2nd half . Fortunately for the Mules it turned in a foul shooting contest, the sole area they have executed well.

Romoki had 16 for the Devils while Wright,Allen and Melton hit double digits  as well.  Melton added 12 boards for a double double.  LaRose led all scorers with 17.  Mules shot 45% overall and 26% from 3 while Dickinson shot 30% overall and 24% from 3.  A truly sad day for CC basketball
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 27, 2017, 03:46:46 PM
Not worse than F&M/Haverford--31-13 at the half(favor of Haverford) :)  Followed by 32/19 half-time score F&M/Gettysburg(favor of Gettysburg)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 28, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Another Goldfarb heist.  Every call in the second half went for JHU and none, I repeat none for the Bears.  They even gave JHU a three on the winning shot even though the shooter was four feet inside the arc.  What a robbery----but it happens every second half at Goldfarb---should get used to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2017, 08:00:25 PM
When F&M played JH, F&M didn't score in the last 5 minutes. Despite physical play by JH, not one foul was called on JH.  During that stretch 5 fouls were called on F&M. Several were intentional(2) with F&M trying to put JH on the line, but not one foul called on JH.
I hope the officials are fair in Collegeville on Wednesday.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2017, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 28, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Another Goldfarb heist.  Every call in the second half went for JHU and none, I repeat none for the Bears.  They even gave JHU a three on the winning shot even though the shooter was four feet inside the arc.  What a robbery----but it happens every second half at Goldfarb---should get used to it.
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 28, 2017, 08:00:25 PM
When F&M played JH, F&M didn't score in the last 5 minutes. Despite physical play by JH, not one foul was called on JH.  During that stretch 5 fouls were called on F&M. Several were intentional(2) with F&M trying to put JH on the line, but not one foul called on JH.
I hope the officials are fair in Collegeville on Wednesday.  :)

With the "new" officiating system (having been in place for several years now), the idea that there are homer refs has gone away. Heck, I saw a ref at Goucher yesterday I had never seen but I know had been in the system for several years. They come from farther away, especially on weekends, and don't tend to work with the same crews - thus forcing more teamwork by the crews and avoids common bad habits to form when working with someone they are familiar with.

While I can appreciate bad calls and whatnot, the idea that a certain place has the refs change is a bit ridiculous. There is a reason F&M is a little more beatable at home these days. ROFL
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on January 30, 2017, 09:38:49 AM
Gabriel - Thx for confirming that shot by JHU at the end of OT.  I was watching the game online and the pull-up looked 100% inside the arc, but the way the video was, you couldn't see the players feet.  Amazing all 3 refs could miss that because it appeared just from where he started his move that he was well inside the 3 pt. line and not just a shot where his toe was on the line.  That would have been easier to understand the call being missed.  The other call that looked questionable that came late in the game was a traveling call on Janicot.  He made what looked online as a great post move inside where he kept his pivot foot down and I believe made the lay-up. Again, a travel was called on it but didn't look like one, and i think this would have put UC up 3 with about 2:30 left in the game.  Instead, JHU got ball, went down and scored to go up 1.  Didn't cost them the game, but it was a big possession late that didn't help their cause.  Was hoping UC could get them after the close one at home in early January but didn't happen.  I'll take those 2 losses though if it means a win in playoffs if the 2 teams meet, but they definitely match-up well against each other

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2017, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: HoopGuru on January 30, 2017, 09:38:49 AM
Gabriel - Thx for confirming that shot by JHU at the end of OT.  I was watching the game online and the pull-up looked 100% inside the arc, but the way the video was, you couldn't see the players feet.  Amazing all 3 refs could miss that because it appeared just from where he started his move that he was well inside the 3 pt. line and not just a shot where his toe was on the line.  That would have been easier to understand the call being missed.  The other call that looked questionable that came late in the game was a traveling call on Janicot.  He made what looked online as a great post move inside where he kept his pivot foot down and I believe made the lay-up. Again, a travel was called on it but didn't look like one, and i think this would have put UC up 3 with about 2:30 left in the game.  Instead, JHU got ball, went down and scored to go up 1.  Didn't cost them the game, but it was a big possession late that didn't help their cause.  Was hoping UC could get them after the close one at home in early January but didn't happen.  I'll take those 2 losses though if it means a win in playoffs if the 2 teams meet, but they definitely match-up well against each other

I was at Hopkins today... and I don't think they would mind me saying even they were in disbelief on the play. Furthermore, they said they checked with the official multiple times and he was convinced it was a three. Not surprised the other two didn't see it... they tend to me looking elsewhere or have no angle. They are going to trust the guy closest unless they absolutely saw it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 02, 2017, 04:14:42 PM
Swarthmore made short work of the Mules at the Barn beating them by 20.  Game was decided early as McClary keeps hoping the zone will stop a well coached team.  The guards were aggressively guarding Swat 5-7 beyond the 3 line while the middle was open for business.  Swat could have posted up a school bus in the middle  Bourne went 7 for 7 in the paint as part of Swat's 22 points in the paint in the first half.  Bourne finished the half with 15 points and Wiley chipped in with 11 for the half.


McClary also keeps trying to get Maserati performance  from his Ford Pinto offense.While Bourne and Wiley shot the lights out the Mules just shot.  LaRose, Schreer and Rindock went 2-14 in the first half and finished 5 of 29. Rindock finished with more TO (5)  than points (3).

Overall Swat shot 46% overall and 37% from 3s while the Mules,at home shot 27% overall and 19% from 3.  Werheim for the Mules was 4 of 5 to finish with 11. Wiley finished with 22, Bourne 17 and Yonda 13.  Wiley and Yonda were 7 of 13 from beyond the arc.

Swarthmore remains at the top of CC while the Mules may have locked up an early close to their season.

After earlier discussions about the men in stripes I paid pretty close attention and the refs seemed to be very even handed.  Of course that may be easier when the game is somewhat lopsided
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 02, 2017, 06:54:21 PM
Hoopdog, your analysis was spot on. That zone was maybe the worst I have ever seen. Swat bigs were getting layups out of it will little resistance. I was confused why they didn't change up the zone. There are many things you can do to stop bigs in a zone and it didn't change the whole game. It was actually frustrating to watch and I was wondering why not try something different - trap when ball goes inside, play behind the bigs, put middle lower in the paint, basically anything. I thought it was going to be a 40 point game half way through. Landry played a ton of guys which was good. There were just too many holes in that zone.  Cheers!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MACsouthwest on February 02, 2017, 08:56:56 PM
Hoopdog-   Good analysis, but the game was at Swarthmore, not at the Barn or at Muhlenberg.  i can see how watching the game you could make that oversight.   The two gyms are very similar in appearance.     ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 02, 2017, 09:15:56 PM
Good game in Collegeville last night.  Both UC and F&M displayed offensive fire power---shooting the ball extremely well.  Frederici (22 points)and Knowles (28 points) showed why they are among the top players in the CC.  Both teams played aggressive man defenses but with some holes as indicated by the 94-82 score.  Even though the Bears led by as much as 19 in the second half, it seemed to be a much closer game. In my view, Ursinus has played very well against F&M in both games this season.  Looks like a fight to the finish. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 02, 2017, 11:30:28 PM
Swat#1 2 simple reasons as to why there was no adjustments.  First for the same reason they switched to all zone; to hide a couple of lazy defenders. Going from man to zone rested on the premise no team could hit from the post and the hope they would go cold on 3s.  Second reason is lack of basketball IQ on the coaching staff and no disciplined fundamentals.  Close outs slow and getting caught out of position make it easy for a team that can pass.

MACsouthwest.  I stand corrected the empty seats confused me. I'm surprised they don't draw more Besides Swat beat them by 32 in the Barn in early December
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 03, 2017, 04:53:41 AM
With Hunter unable to play after an injury in the first half and Federici hampered by cramps, Ursinus soundly defeated F&M.  Also, weak post play keep the Dips from mounting any sort of comeback.  Numerous turnovers at key points lead to F&M not even getting a shot on many possessions.  Ursinus shot lights out, almost shooting better from three(12/24) than F&M did from the line(12/22).  Despite the lopsided fouls calls in the second half(10/3) at one point, it didn't matter with the way Ursinus was shooting.  During the final 5 minutes, it seemed liked the Bears knew they could foul, and it wouldn't cost them.  The Bears took full advantage of their height, controlling the boards; and Knowles drove the basketball easily for many of his points.  If Hunter is unable to start on Saturday, F&M could have 4 new starters in the lineup since the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 03, 2017, 12:03:44 PM
Good win for UC Wednesday night.  Was able to watch most of the game and UC definitely shot the ball very well.  Almost similar to the first game @ F&M where they also shot extremely well and put up over 100 pts.  Not sure when the last year was that UC swept the regular season from F&M.  Might have to go back to UC's final four year in 07-08 for that.  I think there is a good chance UC can finish out going 4-1.  Saturday with Washington should not be close as Coach Small does a really good job of playing up Alumni games and usually gets a really good effort from his guys.  Next Wednesday at Swat will be tough. Those games are always tricky at that gym. Then finish next 2 of 3 at home.  Still a lot to be decided leading up to the playoffs, but I would like to see a 5 team playoff with Swat, JHU, UC, Dickinson and F&M.  Think that would be a very competitive, fun to watch playoff that any of the 5 teams could get hot and win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on February 03, 2017, 03:38:51 PM
Hello everyone, sorry I've been gone for a few days.  Wife came down with a nasty case of bronchitis but she is now on the mend.  Haven't been keeping up with the Centennial as much, just went on today to check some recent scores.

Looks like the Mules had a tough one against Swat this week.  Seems like you guys have identified some of the underlying problems with the Mules.  Never understood why they are playing this zone.  Guess they don't have the personnel to play man-to-man. Also, if you're gonna shoot 15-55 from the field, you might as well just take half court shots the entire time because my god is that some absolutely abysmal basketball.  They are basically the anti-Warriors... paltry assist numbers at all times and couldn't hit the ocean if they were standing on the beach.  (Side note - was comparing team's websites this morning in terms of layout and available information, turns out it is Mules senior G/F Brandon LaRose's birthday! Hopefully for his birthday the Mules can secure him a win against the Diplomats tomorrow!

My oh my, wouldn't a F&M vs Dickinson 4/5 game be absolutely thrilling?  Might have to make a trip out to the Dip Zone for that one if the standings hold. 

Now that I'm back following the action, looking forward to a slate of games tomorrow in the Cent.  Mules and McDaniel both hosting strong teams in must win situations in order to keep their playoff hopes alive.  Plus, always a big fan of the Super Bowl - beer, wings, funny commercials, and hopefully the Patriots being eviscerated by my favorite NFL player, Tevin Coleman. (Go Hoosiers!)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 04, 2017, 11:39:42 AM
CentCraze88 Hope you wife is well.  It is a nasty year for sinus problems!

The theory behind Mules zone is too hide some really poor defenders but have them for their offense.  Epic failure on both parts.  Over the past several seasons the Mules had at least one player who received lots of opponents attention.  This year they have none. Over the 7 seasons McClary has had All Region players all conference players and idespite them his record has gotten worse each year.  Even when the schedule includes non-conference cupcake teams.

The CC as least to me is as evenly balanced (kind way to say weaker) and they are struggling.  But I agree an F&M/Dickinson playoff game would be a dog fight
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2017, 04:52:50 PM
Saw Swarthmore this weekend at McDaniel... despite the fact the game went to overtime, I was very impressed with the Garnet. I feel McDaniel played up to Swarthmore and played one of their better games. I ended up voting for the Garnet in the Top 25 this week after what I saw. They have a lot of good players, move the ball incredibly well, can adjust and change defenses seemlessly, and if they start shooting can't be stopped. I may have underestimated the Garnet all season.

That said, I wish their inside game was a bit more aggressive. McDaniel's Yrizarry had four fouls for about the last 10 to 15 minutes (including overtime) and they never attacked him on defense. They would get the ball inside and whomever had it would then take their time, let Yrizarry gain the best position and let me him get comfortable before either making a poor choice or passing it back outside. Yrizarry played very well to not pick up his fifth... but he also didn't have that much of a challenge. Swarthmore needs to get a bit more aggressive inside if they want a deep run in the NCAA tournament (should they make it).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2017, 08:19:16 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2017, 04:52:50 PM
Saw Swarthmore this weekend at McDaniel... despite the fact the game went to overtime, I was very impressed with the Garnet. I feel McDaniel played up to Swarthmore and played one of their better games. I ended up voting for the Garnet in the Top 25 this week after what I saw. They have a lot of good players, move the ball incredibly well, can adjust and change defenses seemlessly, and if they start shooting can't be stopped. I may have underestimated the Garnet all season.

That said, I wish their inside game was a bit more aggressive. McDaniel's Yrizarry had four fouls for about the last 10 to 15 minutes (including overtime) and they never attacked him on defense. They would get the ball inside and whomever had it would then take their time, let Yrizarry gain the best position and let me him get comfortable before either making a poor choice or passing it back outside. Yrizarry played very well to not pick up his fifth... but he also didn't have that much of a challenge. Swarthmore needs to get a bit more aggressive inside if they want a deep run in the NCAA tournament (should they make it).

It's funny that you and I have no switched places.  I had Swarthmore highly ranked in the pre-season, but have been a little put off by their inconsistency.  I'm quite leery of voting for them at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 07, 2017, 09:50:41 AM
I was all set to nominate Hopkins as my favorite to host this year when they went to Dickinson and blew a ten point lead in the second half on Saturday.  Barring a major collapse it looks like the playoff teams are set, although the order of finish and who hosts is totally up for grabs.  We will find out more about Swat in the next week as they host Ursinus and Hopkins.  Both teams have the size to compete down low and can shoot.  On a good day, Ursinus can really shoot.  The top 4 teams (Swat, Ursinus, Hopkins, F&M) all look very similar: good not great post players, good team rebounding, 2 or even 3 outside shooters, well-drilled at both ends of the floor.  Not much star quality, but  "sound."   Dickinson is the joker in the pack, as they rely on ball hawking for steals and fast break transition to score.  But the top teams in the conference (except apparently Hopkins) can pass and handle well enough to cope. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 07, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
Not sure if F&M fits Polly Math's observation.  F&M struggles in the post and gets out-rebounded in many games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 08, 2017, 07:57:13 AM
Who wins in the end of this year depends on which team shows up.  All five at times have looked unbeatable and then the next game look like are you kidding me.  I think it comes down to JHU and Ursinus.  Even though I dissed them at the beginning the Bears have been fairly solid. 

Gettysburg seems to be catching life a bit late  as they put up 3 figures on Haverford.  Speaking of Haverford they played the Mules straight up for the first half but were their own worse enemy at the end, losing by 12.  Stats show the game was closer than the board suggests.  Both teams shot low 40%, each had 36 boards, about even in assists but Haverford had 17 TOs ending in 25 Mule points.  Passes and rebounds were literally bouncing off the hands and bodies. 

Garnes took advantage of the Mules zone hitting 6 of 9 3s for 18 points while Sherman was 6 of 12 for 16.  LaRose took advantage of a weak Haverford inside defense going 7 of 10 for 19 pts.  The rest of the Mules offense still struggles.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 11, 2017, 06:07:01 PM
It appears Swat is hitting its stride right now. CW will be unanimous POY as he is playing out of his mind lately. While he was injured to start last season, it is hard to believe he only scored 40 points all season. I didn't see today's score against JH happening in a battle for first. The playoffs should be really good. Hopefully Swat gets a NCAA bid!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on February 12, 2017, 07:51:08 AM
Swarthmore even had a raucous student section that went absolutely wild on a spectacular run-down block by Yonda that set the tone mid-way through the first half. Swat's last two games have been impressive, going-away victories against other top teams in the conference. The playoff teams are set; now they're playing for venue. It seems Swat has a lock on the top spot with a two-game lead and two games to go, one against Haverford. F&M has the toughest road. Their two remaining games are against other playoff teams (Swat and Dickinson). Does anyone know how tie-breakers work beyond head-to-head?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 12, 2017, 09:24:55 AM
After head to head. It is usually best record against the first place team, then the second place team and so forth if teams have same record. Curiously it looks like F&M has the best secondary tiebreaker but they need to beat Dickinson anyway to not be 5th.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2017, 12:26:37 PM
Washington had a raucous student section on Saturday, but so obnoxious and rude that my wife left and sat in the car for the second half.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 12, 2017, 08:30:28 PM
Looks like my prediction was wrong about UC going 3-1 in their last 4 games.  Now, it looks like they are going to possibly be in that 4/5 play-in game.  If that's the case, hopefully they can at least get the 4 spot to be able to host that game, most likely against F&M who they would hold tie-breaker with if records are the same.  Not sure if that is a good thing though as it is always difficult to beat a good team 3 times in the same season.  Wright killed them yesterday.  Obviously, Dickinson was able to figure some things out from their first game and how UC was defending them.  Of course the 13-27 from 3 certainly helped them out.  Doubt Coach Small thought they would hit that many 3's against them.  If they shoot that well moving forward, going to be a tough team to beat

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 13, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
One of the most up & down season in the CC in recent memory.  Outside of SwaT, JHU, Dickinson, F&M ad Ursinus will end up depending on who shows up for the last 2 games.  The only constant has been the inconsistency of the teams.  The rest of the teams are playing for pride (if they have any left) and possibly coaching jobs. 

McDaniel plays tough but has come up short.Gettysburg was the real downside surprise to me. Although they blasted Muhlenburg on Saturday, hard to tell if G-burg improved that much or the Mules just sank lower.  Mules shot 32% from the field (29% 3s) while Gettysburg made short work of the mules zone shooting 47%  LaRose was 1 of 12 for Senior day.  Mules 3 big scorers LaRose, Rindock and Schreer have been mostly ineffective in conference play down the stretch which is probably more an indictment of the offense design than anything. Mules may end up playing .500 ball overall but strength of schedule would not equate to a good high school program

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 13, 2017, 12:05:29 PM
Ursinus/Dickinson game Saturday was very entertaining with Dickinson winning 80-78.  Both teams played at a high tempo for the full game. Difference was Dick hit 13 three pointers on 48 percent shooting after shooting only 26 percent for the season up to that point.  UC had a tough day at the line hitting only 10 of 17 free throws and missing the front end of several one and ones.  UC had two chances to win at the end but both Knowles and Eric Williams came up short.  Give credit to Dickinson they played very well for the full 40 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on February 14, 2017, 04:05:57 PM
LANCASTER, Pa. – February 14, 2017 - In a continued effort to enhance coverage of our students who participate in athletics, the Centennial Conference, in partnership with Stretch Internet, announces the creation of the Centennial Conference Roku app. The app is now available and the channel features live and on-demand events from across the Conference, including next weekend's men's and women's basketball championships.

The app is available as a free channel and streams live content from the Conference alongside Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Video, Watch ESPN, MLB.TV and many other channels directly to your TV. The channel will air all content that can also be found on CentennialConference.TV - the online streaming home of live and on-demand Centennial Conference competition.

In 2015-16, CentennialConference.TV streamed over 1,000 live events and surpassed 203,000 unique views.  This fall and winter, the Conference has already streamed 672 live events with nearly 150,000 live unique viewers, including many broadcasts in high definition.

"The Centennial Conference is thrilled to be the first NCAA Division III conference with a Roku app," said Centennial Conference Executive Director Steve Ulrich. "We are always looking for new and innovative ways to showcase our students who participate in athletics. Our streaming video partner, Stretch Internet, has worked with us to provide access to our regular-season and championship events, as well as our extensive on-demand content, through the Roku app. We hope that our students, parents, alumni and friends enjoy this unprecedented access to Centennial Conference events."

"Today is a great day for the Centennial Conference," said Stretch Internet President and CEO Ryan Ermeling. "The schools and their fans have spoken – and we've listened. Today's landscape requires the ability to provide viewers with more integrated options, and being able to view streams natively on TVs via Roku devices is a big step in that direction. Roku is just the first of many steps in creating an all-encompassing user experience on a variety of platforms. We're excited for the future."

How simple is it to use the Centennial Conference app? Just connect your Roku streaming player to your wireless network and your TV, create a Roku account, and start streaming.

Fans can download the app straight to their Roku device at the following link:

channelstore.roku.com/details/134750/centennial-conference (http://channelstore.roku.com/details/134750/centennial-conference)

 
About the Centennial Conference

The purpose of the Centennial Conference is to provide for athletic competition among institutions that share high academic aspirations and are committed to the importance of the total educational experience for students engaged in sports.
NCAA Division III, founded in 1992

Full-time members (11): Bryn Mawr College, Dickinson College, Franklin & Marshall College, Gettysburg College, Haverford College, Johns Hopkins University, McDaniel College, Muhlenberg College, Swarthmore College, Ursinus College, Washington College.

Affiliate Members (6): Juniata College (football), Moravian College (football), Susquehanna University (football), Stevens Institute of Technology (wrestling), U.S. Merchant Marine Academy (wrestling), Washington and Lee University (wrestling).
Website: Centennial.org

Streaming Video Portal: CentennialConference.TV

Stretch Internet, based in Gilbert, AZ, was founded in 2003 by a former college athletics media relations professional who saw a need to provide affordable, high-quality streaming to college and university athletic departments. Stretch Internet now works with nearly 600 colleges and universities, high schools and professional sports organizations. A devotion to utilizing the best streaming technology possible and providing a phenomenal and memorable user experience – backed by "freakishly good support" – have helped Stretch Internet become one of the largest streaming media specialists in the sports industry.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2017, 10:01:19 AM

This is fantastic.  I use Roku for all my TV watching.  I'll be getting this app as soon as I get home.  I'll be watching a lot more CC games, too.  Although it might make it easier not to drive to Swarthmore for the tourney next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 16, 2017, 10:53:39 AM
What are the tie-breakers for 3 way tie for playoffs?  I know UC would win tie-breaker with F&M if each of them lose on Saturday and Dickinson wins.  I don't see Dickinson losing to Washington and believe F&M will beat Swat and UC will win at Gettysburg to end in a three-way tie.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on February 16, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
Here's my understanding of the tie-breaker scenarios. More knowledgable parties, please correct:

Current records with one game to play:
Dickinson = 11-6
F&M = 11-6
Ursinus = 11-6

Head to Head:
Dickinson: 0-2 vs F&M; 1-1 vs Ursinus; total = 1-3
F&M: 2-0 vs Dickinson; 0-2 vs Ursinus; total = 2-2
Ursinus: 1-1 vs Dickinson; 0-2 vs F&M; total = 1-3

Records against top-seeded teams (so far)
Dickinson: 0-2 vs Swat; 2-0 vs Hopkins
F&M: 0-1 vs Swat; 0-2 vs Hopkins
Ursinus: 0-2 vs Swat; 0-2 vs  Hopkins

If all three teams win
F&M seeded third (better H-H record)
Dickinson seeded 4th (better record against higher seeds)

If F&M loses and Dickinson and Ursinus win
Dickinson is third (better against higher seeds)
Ursinus seeded fourth

If Dickinson loses and others win
Ursinus = 3rd, better H-H vs F&M
F&M seeded 4th

If Ursinus loses and others win
F&M seeded third, better H-H vs Dickinson
Dickinson seeded 4th



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 16, 2017, 01:37:48 PM
BeRightOn  great job on the Rubix Cube of playoff schedules.

If Ursinus shots like they did vs the Mules last night they could be trouble no matter where they are seeded.  Williams, Knowles and Quattro were 10- of 19 from 3s for 53% as they crushed Muhlenberg's zone in the second half.  The Bears had 21 assists for the night as well.  After leading by 1 at the half they exploded to beat the Mules 86-59, sweeping the Mules for the first time in 7 years.

For the Mules they are one game away from putting this miserable season to rest.  Bears blitzed the defense and the offense was more of the same; ill-advised shots or missed open looks.  Mules ended up shooting 23% in the 2nd half (21% from 3s).  Time to take a hard look in the mirror
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 16, 2017, 02:13:23 PM
BeRightOn,

Need to recalculate your analysis.  Ursinus is 2-0 against F&M, not 0-2----which changes your conclusions.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 16, 2017, 02:39:43 PM
Also, F&M is 1-0 against Swarthmore, not 0-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on February 16, 2017, 04:06:57 PM
Here's my a corrected version
Current records with one game to play:
Dickinson = 11-6
F&M = 11-6
Ursinus = 11-6

Head to Head:
Dickinson: 0-2 vs F&M; 1-1 vs Ursinus; total = 1-3
F&M: 2-0 vs Dickinson; 0-2 vs Ursinus; total = 2-2
Ursinus: 1-1 vs Dickinson; 2-0 vs F&M; total = 3-1

Records against top-seeded teams (so far)
Dickinson: 0-2 vs Swat; 2-0 vs Hopkins
F&M: 1-0 vs Swat; 0-2 vs Hopkins
Ursinus: 0-2 vs Swat; 0-2 vs  Hopkins

If all three teams win
Ursinus seeded third (better H-H record)
F&M seeded 4th (better H-H)

If F&M loses and Dickinson and Ursinus win
Ursinus is third (better H-H)
Dickinson seeded fourth

If Dickinson loses and others win
Ursinus = 3rd, better H-H vs F&M
F&M seeded 4th

If Ursinus loses and others win
F&M seeded third, better H-H vs Dickinson
Dickinson seeded 4th
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 16, 2017, 04:46:16 PM
I can't confirm all of those scenarios, but I believe that if F&M loses and both Dickinson and UC win, then Dickinson would be 3rd seed, not UC.  This would be b/c they split the season and then virtue of record vs. 1st place Swat (both 0-2), which they are still tied, and then record vs 2nd place JHU, which DIckinson is 2-0 and UC is 0-2. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 17, 2017, 12:12:41 PM
Maybe they should do rock, paper , scissors.  There has to be a way to come seedings that doesn't require NASA computers
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 17, 2017, 04:08:06 PM
Hoopdog14

I would agree with that!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2017, 04:08:18 PM

Taking advantage of the Roku channel this afternoon - very convenient.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 18, 2017, 06:35:50 PM
Is this correct?

Swat
F&M
JH
Dickinson
Urs
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 18, 2017, 06:51:14 PM
Sounds right.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 18, 2017, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 18, 2017, 06:35:50 PM
Is this correct?

Swat
F&M
JH
Dickinson
Urs

Not quite

Swat is the top seed

F&M is the 2, Dickinson is the 3

Ursinus travels to Johns Hopkins on Wednesday night
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on February 18, 2017, 10:39:56 PM
How does that work?
JH, F&M, and D come out even head to head. They all swept and got swept round-robin style.
Against Swat, F&M wins twice, Hopkins once, and D not at all.
How is it Dickinson gets the three spot ahead of JH?

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 18, 2017, 10:47:05 PM
It must be that F&M wins secondary tiebreaker of best record against SWAT. Then Dips are removed and of the remaining teams Dickinson swept JHU. Had they instead gone down to the next team Ursinus, then JHU would have gotten the nod with better record vs Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 18, 2017, 11:54:40 PM
Not quite sure how the tiebreakers shake out that way, but that's what the Conference released officially on Twitter following the games today, as well as each various school wrote such into their post game recaps
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 19, 2017, 06:36:49 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 18, 2017, 10:47:05 PM
It must be that F&M wins secondary tiebreaker of best record against SWAT. Then Dips are removed and of the remaining teams Dickinson swept JHU. Had they instead gone down to the next team Ursinus, then JHU would have gotten the nod with better record vs Bears.

This is correct. It's a recent change for the conference in how tiebreakers are applied across all sports. If one team wins the three way tie, the criteria is re-applied, starting with head-to-head, among the remaining teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2017, 12:35:48 PM
Did anyone see what time was posted for the championship game on Saturday?  I can't seem to locate it anywhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2017, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: sunny on February 19, 2017, 06:36:49 AM
This is correct. It's a recent change for the conference in how tiebreakers are applied across all sports. If one team wins the three way tie, the criteria is re-applied, starting with head-to-head, among the remaining teams.

Yikes -- this is new to the Centennial? Pretty standard fare for breaking three-way ties.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 19, 2017, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2017, 12:35:48 PM
Did anyone see what time was posted for the championship game on Saturday?  I can't seem to locate it anywhere.
Friday
6:00 4/5 winner @ Swat
8:00 Dickinson/F&M

Saturday
8:00 Winner v. Winner @ Swat

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2017, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: sunny on February 19, 2017, 06:36:49 AM
This is correct. It's a recent change for the conference in how tiebreakers are applied across all sports. If one team wins the three way tie, the criteria is re-applied, starting with head-to-head, among the remaining teams.

Yikes -- this is new to the Centennial? Pretty standard fare for breaking three-way ties.
No, that's the way the centennial has done it for a while. It hasn't changed recently. It's just not seen vert often where a different order of tiebreakers causes different results like this.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 19, 2017, 05:38:28 PM
Be nice if it were home but I like UC's matchup Wednesday with JHU. Hard to beat the same team 3 times in one season. Especially when teams are so evenly matched. How the hell did they lose to Haverford at home though. Thats an awful loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2017, 08:19:42 PM
njf1003,  I've been told 3 different times.  One said 3, two said 7, and one said 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 19, 2017, 10:21:38 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2017, 08:19:42 PM
njf1003,  I've been told 3 different times.  One said 3, two said 7, and one said 8.
Here's my source:
http://centennial.org/sports/mbkb/Championship

They'll be officially official after the conference call in the morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on February 19, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
What a year in the Cent! Another year of high quality basketball.  Think I'm going to go with Swarthmore reigning supreme at the conclusion of the bloodbath that is the conference tournament!! Think they have some premiere talent that complements very well, and they have been the best team all year.

Does anybody know what caused the delay in the McDaniel/Muhlenberg game yesterday?  I wanted to watch the livestream of the game but was forced to abandon ship midway through because of a previous commitment at 515.  Such a shame to see how LaRose, Schreer, and Hunter go out in such fashion, with a below average, sufferable season concluding with them finishing 8th in the conference.  Really thought these guys would be the foundation of a formidable team, yet it wasn't meant to be.  Seems like they can never be anywhere close to the sum of their parts, forget about coming together as a team and achieving something that exceeds their talent level.  Feel like Muhlenberg should be a more successful program given the strong caliber of their football and soccer programs, as well as their women's basketball team.  Outworked and outcoached nearly every night, it is sad to see the three guys go out like this.  Really had a high expectations for Hunter, but maybe that was simply he was coming from Florida and I had assumed the level of play there might be a little higher than that of the traditional mid-atlantic Centennial cookie cutter player.  Alas, mediocrity is the nicest word I could come up with to describe the career that he and his fellow senior classmates experienced.

Really disappointed with Hopkins' result yesterday, having a home game against a perennial bottom feeder to clinch the 2 seed is essentially a gift from god, but it is a shame that JHU couldn't get it done.  Really thinking that Swartmore and F&M are the definite favorites to get to the title game.   Hopefully I'll be able to make it to the conference tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2017, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: CentCraze88 on February 19, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
What a year in the Cent! Another year of high quality basketball.  Think I'm going to go with Swarthmore reigning supreme at the conclusion of the bloodbath that is the conference tournament!! Think they have some premiere talent that complements very well, and they have been the best team all year.

Does anybody know what caused the delay in the McDaniel/Muhlenberg game yesterday?  I wanted to watch the livestream of the game but was forced to abandon ship midway through because of a previous commitment at 515.  Such a shame to see how LaRose, Schreer, and Hunter go out in such fashion, with a below average, sufferable season concluding with them finishing 8th in the conference.  Really thought these guys would be the foundation of a formidable team, yet it wasn't meant to be.  Seems like they can never be anywhere close to the sum of their parts, forget about coming together as a team and achieving something that exceeds their talent level.  Feel like Muhlenberg should be a more successful program given the strong caliber of their football and soccer programs, as well as their women's basketball team.  Outworked and outcoached nearly every night, it is sad to see the three guys go out like this.  Really had a high expectations for Hunter, but maybe that was simply he was coming from Florida and I had assumed the level of play there might be a little higher than that of the traditional mid-atlantic Centennial cookie cutter player.  Alas, mediocrity is the nicest word I could come up with to describe the career that he and his fellow senior classmates experienced.

Really disappointed with Hopkins' result yesterday, having a home game against a perennial bottom feeder to clinch the 2 seed is essentially a gift from god, but it is a shame that JHU couldn't get it done.  Really thinking that Swartmore and F&M are the definite favorites to get to the title game.   Hopefully I'll be able to make it to the conference tournament!

I heard that the Muhl bus broke down both on the way to and back from the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2017, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2017, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: CentCraze88 on February 19, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
What a year in the Cent! Another year of high quality basketball.  Think I'm going to go with Swarthmore reigning supreme at the conclusion of the bloodbath that is the conference tournament!! Think they have some premiere talent that complements very well, and they have been the best team all year.

Does anybody know what caused the delay in the McDaniel/Muhlenberg game yesterday?  I wanted to watch the livestream of the game but was forced to abandon ship midway through because of a previous commitment at 515.  Such a shame to see how LaRose, Schreer, and Hunter go out in such fashion, with a below average, sufferable season concluding with them finishing 8th in the conference.  Really thought these guys would be the foundation of a formidable team, yet it wasn't meant to be.  Seems like they can never be anywhere close to the sum of their parts, forget about coming together as a team and achieving something that exceeds their talent level.  Feel like Muhlenberg should be a more successful program given the strong caliber of their football and soccer programs, as well as their women's basketball team.  Outworked and outcoached nearly every night, it is sad to see the three guys go out like this.  Really had a high expectations for Hunter, but maybe that was simply he was coming from Florida and I had assumed the level of play there might be a little higher than that of the traditional mid-atlantic Centennial cookie cutter player.  Alas, mediocrity is the nicest word I could come up with to describe the career that he and his fellow senior classmates experienced.

Really disappointed with Hopkins' result yesterday, having a home game against a perennial bottom feeder to clinch the 2 seed is essentially a gift from god, but it is a shame that JHU couldn't get it done.  Really thinking that Swartmore and F&M are the definite favorites to get to the title game.   Hopefully I'll be able to make it to the conference tournament!

I heard that the Muhl bus broke down both on the way to and back from the game.

I was at the games... Muhlenberg's bus broke down on the way to the game... causing a one-hour delay. It then broke down on the way home, causing them to be stuck in Gettysburg. You may remember Muhlenberg's bus broke down a year or two ago just after leaving McDaniel. The MCD staff shuttled the teams back to the confines of the Gill Center until a new bus could be brought to them (I think McDaniel's bus company helped out on that one). To steal from a colleague #NotMyBusCompany - maybe Muhlenberg needs to find a new group!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 20, 2017, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 19, 2017, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 19, 2017, 12:35:48 PM
Did anyone see what time was posted for the championship game on Saturday?  I can't seem to locate it anywhere.
Friday
6:00 4/5 winner @ Swat
8:00 Dickinson/F&M

Saturday
8:00 Winner v. Winner @ Swat

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2017, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: sunny on February 19, 2017, 06:36:49 AM
This is correct. It's a recent change for the conference in how tiebreakers are applied across all sports. If one team wins the three way tie, the criteria is re-applied, starting with head-to-head, among the remaining teams.

Yikes -- this is new to the Centennial? Pretty standard fare for breaking three-way ties.
No, that's the way the centennial has done it for a while. It hasn't changed recently. It's just not seen vert often where a different order of tiebreakers causes different results like this.

Yes, it actually did change recently - a year or two ago. The tiebreakers are the same as they've been, but the whole, what-to-do-when-a-three-way-tie is broken did change recently. It used to be the scenario in which Hopkins would have been the three seed, as previously speculated here.

If I recall correctly, the impetus came from another sport where an even lower-down-the-rung tie-breaker came into play and a team missed the tournament after the last spot went to a team they had beaten head-to-head.

Frankly, it made more sense to do it the way it used to be done, despite the occasional "unfair" seeming outcome. I believe there are some scenarios for which the current procedure would get "stuck."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 21, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
CentCraze88
Yes the Mules bus broke down going and leaving McDaniel and serves as the perfect metaphor for the Mules basketball program; broken down.  Time for a switch in leadership.  Since McClary took over every season got progressively worse despite having several top quality  players over the past 7 years.  The only reason they finished over all at 12-12 was the quality of the out of conference teams they scheduled.  Most of which would struggled against a good high school team.
Larose and Schreer were in a system that had no one who would command attention to free them up.  LaRose is not a straight up shooter and, Schreer is a spot up shooter and needs wide open looks.  Big numbers for both of them came largely in non-conference games. At the McD game LaRose had 16 in the first half and ended up with 21 on 6 for 16 shooting, Schreer ended up 2 of 7.  Hunter I think was a victim of poor coaching.  One of the few real big men in the conference he was under-utilized and saw his minutes drop from 25/game to 17 despite leading in rebounding and blocked shots.  He joined the growing list of senior players that got blamed for the problems of this program over the past several years.   And McClary is always ready to blame someone else for the poor performance.

Early in the season we commented on how the conference would turn out.  I admit to being surprised   by the high level performance that Ursinus turned in.  Dickenson F&M and JHU could  never be counted out  but I was spot on in seeing that the Mules were a disaster in the making.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MACsouthwest on February 21, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Hoopdog-

Players win games.  You need players and I don't know if the right players are in Allentown right now. That has to change.  I don't see size and strength of guys  like Liddic, Hargrove, Forsman , Bovino, et al.  Those teams had an inside physical presence.  I think Werheim and Baez have that potential, but those previous teams had 2-3 big, physical guys.  Hunter wasn't Hargrove.   I don't see guards like Curry, Stavetski, O'Hara, Albano, et al.  LaRose was good. Schreer wasn't Ohara.  Or anyone like a Killing.  Whether you liked him or not.  A lot of those guards were also tough.  Toughness wins games in this Conference.  i would start by rebuilding with a core group of tough basketball players.   You can't teach toughness or will someone to be a competitor... You either got it or you don't. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 21, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
I don't disagree.  But who is responsible to get the right players and get the most out of the ones you have?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 22, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Great playoff road win for UC.  I said it back when they lost that 2nd game to JHU that I'd take those 2 losses to JHU if it meant a playoff win if they happened to play.  I did not see them losing a 3rd time to them after how those first 2 games went.  Obviously shot lights out all game, 13-24 from 3 and did a really good job taking care of the ball.  Ended with 15 TOs I think but a handful of those came very late in the game.  Cleaned up the glass very nicely as well.  Quattro played very well on offense.  He looked like Shattuck out there.  Looking forward to Friday night.  Hopefully two good games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2017, 06:59:28 PM
Scott McClary is out at Muhlenberg.

Looks like some of you got an early Christmas gift & Scott doesn't have to deal with another year of broken down busses & some other things the Mules try to do on the cheap.

Seems like a win/win.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
Not surprised, but disappointed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on February 24, 2017, 07:58:50 AM
With McClary out, What is Hoopdog14 going to do with his life? I hope your all happy!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MACsouthwest on February 24, 2017, 09:20:44 AM
I'm also disappointed in Berg.   Feel bad for McClary.  Saratoga hit the nail on the head...  Trying to do things on the cheap for too long in Allentown. 

For Hoopdog-  "you are either part of the problem OR part of the solution..."   It's a choice.  Choose wisely! 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hoopdog14 on February 24, 2017, 11:15:35 AM
Wow!  Who knew there were so many fans of mediocrity!

MACSouthwest:  Since you are a fan of proverbs think on the one of "better to remain silent and be thought a fool rather than speak....
Doing things on the cheap?? Seems the Girls program was riding those same buses with much different results.  The internal conflicts over his tenure grew and he blamed everyone but the guy in the mirror

Sarantoga:  "Early Christmas"??  About 3  years too late, at least

Team Monix:  What will I do with my life ??  Maybe enjoy Mules basketball as I did in the pre-McClary years.

Funny how McClary's record is on par with Nugent at Washington and I remember cheers over his dismissal.  Alumni of the Mules program are not saddened by this action and they had first hand experience that none of us had. 


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on February 24, 2017, 11:27:55 AM
Pretty sure McClary is walking away with an above average record which isn't close to Nugent but its sad that you find so much happiness having a man fired who was an alumni and put over a decade into Muhlenberg as a head coach and assistant.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on February 24, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
And in regards to being cheap...McClary was at the bottom of the CC in mens coaches salaries (but they expect him to finish at the top). That is far from the same for the women's coach in comparison to the rest of the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on February 24, 2017, 11:53:05 AM
Nugent ended his career as head coach with a record of 121-230, giving him a winning percentage of .345.

McClary was 112-94, giving him a winning pertcentage of .54
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on February 24, 2017, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: TeamMonix on February 24, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
And in regards to being cheap...McClary was at the bottom of the CC in mens coaches salaries (but they expect him to finish at the top). That is far from the same for the women's coach in comparison to the rest of the league.

Where can one find access to coaches' salaries?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2017, 12:12:13 PM
good question--I wondered it it's possible to determine when many of the coaches have other roles, also.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2017, 12:18:06 PM
Quote from: BeRightOn on February 24, 2017, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: TeamMonix on February 24, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
And in regards to being cheap...McClary was at the bottom of the CC in mens coaches salaries (but they expect him to finish at the top). That is far from the same for the women's coach in comparison to the rest of the league.

Where can one find access to coaches' salaries?

You can find a lot of good data on the equity in athletics website. Just put in the institution of your choice:

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: MACsouthwest on February 24, 2017, 12:35:37 PM
Madeira was 311-247 in 22 Seasons.   .57 winning percentage.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on February 24, 2017, 01:02:04 PM
As we are throwing out records & winning percentages the current AD at Mule had an overall record of 91 - 133 (42-66 in Conference) as the head baseball at Muhlenberg. He must know what it takes to win in the centennial conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2017, 03:37:54 PM
Quote from: Hoopdog14 on February 24, 2017, 11:15:35 AM

Funny how McClary's record is on par with Nugent at Washington and I remember cheers over his dismissal.  Alumni of the Mules program are not saddened by this action and they had first hand experience that none of us had.

I don't think that is a fair characterization of what happened when Nugent left at all. I think many felt he got the raw end of the deal from the AD - I know people who feel that way. He also got kicked heading into his son's senior year and many thought the program wasn't worse off than where it had been. There were also talk about other programs getting put in more favorable positions than basketball and it not being Nugent's fault. I certainly don't remember any cheering about the decision. There are many who had a lot of respect for Nugent. Sure, there were probably some, like yourself, you had a negative point of view... but I think you are overinflating the reaction like you have overinflated Nugent's record (or underinflated McClary's).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 24, 2017, 09:15:50 PM
If anyone at Washington was cheering when Coach Nugent left they haven't had much to cheer about since. Just went an impressive 3-15 in conf. play.   Nugent was a decent coach and fine man who won when he had players, and lost when he didn't. McClary at Muhlenberg was a different case -- no doubt that he had plenty of talent in the 2012-14 years and could have won a title.  People can debate why he didn't.   My own take is that it may have been a mistake to build the whole attack around a brilliant but erratic and temperamental scoring guard who had trouble delivering the goods in big games.  Had they pulled out a few more playoff wins all would have been well.  But by the end of 2014 season when they collapsed late in the season and folded late at McDaniel in the play-in game it was pretty clear that the wheels were coming off.   Recruits looking to play in the Centennial for "established" had F&M, JH and Dickinson to consider.  Those wanting the hungry up and coming scene had Swat. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Polly Math on February 25, 2017, 08:51:06 AM
Meanwhile, back in the present.  Pretty gruesome loss for F&M last night. They dominated for 30 minutes with Federici looking great and Dickinson barely hanging in, thanks largely to the play of reserve guard Mike Hinckley, who seemed to have swallowed a bottle of Adam Honig pills before the game. F&M seemed to have things well in hand with a 12 point lead with 10 to go when they started jacking up 3s.  Looking for the dagger, I guess.  Must have missed 5 or 6 in a row, then started turning it over and rapidly the 11 pt lead became a 4 pt deficit.  F&M battled back to tie it at the 2 minute mark but could not close.   It looked like the Dips ran out of gas.  Their field goal % in the last ten minutes must have been in the 15% range.   Congrats to Dickinson for making the finals for the 4th time in 5 years. 

THE nightcap was your typical 4-5 vs 1 seed game.  Ursinus fought hard for a half but Swat's size, toughness and fresher legs were too much in the 2d.  Some of the Bears looked a little rattled at the raucous environment.  The exception was Knowles, who closed his career with a magnificent performance.   Ursinus will be back.  The announcers pointed out that the 4-5 seed has not only never won the tournament, they have never even made the finals.  Tough to perform on one night's rest when your opponent has had 7, is at home, and has the best regular season record. 

Congrats to Swat for a great atmosphere.  Looks like the Swat community has decided that winning mens basketball is not such a terrible  thing after all.  Logic says Swat should crush Dickinson.  They are bigger, stronger, shoot better, have the best player in Wiley and rebound extremely well.   The  factor in Dickinson's favor is their team quickness, also after a season with several improbable late comeback wins, they won't panic if they find themselves down.  But you have to make Swat a huge favorite to take their first Centennial championship.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 25, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
Bears just ran out of gas last night as evidenced by their poor shooting percentage and losing the battle of the boards 46 to 26.  But----take nothing away from Swat, they are the better team and should win over Dickinson tonight.  Bears lose only Knowles (major loss) and Mekongo (played little) to graduation so they should be tough again next year with four seniors and some promising underclassmen.  Bears need to get more consistent production out of their forwards.  Strong game against JHU on Wednesday but they disappeared last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Looks like Swarthmore lucked out to get a home game.  Didn't expect that at all.  Hope Swarthmore represents the CC well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Looks like Swarthmore lucked out to get a home game.  Didn't expect that at all.  Hope Swarthmore represents the CC well.

Neither did anyone else...had everything to do w/the NCAA giving the CNU women's team the hosting privileges, even though the CNU men had better comparative criteria.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Looks like Swarthmore lucked out to get a home game.  Didn't expect that at all.  Hope Swarthmore represents the CC well.

Neither did anyone else...had everything to do w/the NCAA giving the CNU women's team the hosting privileges, even though the CNU men had better comparative criteria.

Pretty sure it had nothing to do with giving CNU a host... Scranton had to move too, but if you look at the brackets they weren't in the same conversation with their pods. I think Susquehanna was going to host anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Looks like Swarthmore lucked out to get a home game.  Didn't expect that at all.  Hope Swarthmore represents the CC well.

Neither did anyone else...had everything to do w/the NCAA giving the CNU women's team the hosting privileges, even though the CNU men had better comparative criteria.

Pretty sure it had nothing to do with giving CNU a host... Scranton had to move too, but if you look at the brackets they weren't in the same conversation with their pods. I think Susquehanna was going to host anyway.

If Hoopsville's statement that Scranton moved into #2 in the region ahead of Susquehanna, then, by Ryan Scott's idea, Scranton should be "hosting" @ #3 seed Williams against #4 seed Oswego St. Correct?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Looks like Swarthmore lucked out to get a home game.  Didn't expect that at all.  Hope Swarthmore represents the CC well.

Neither did anyone else...had everything to do w/the NCAA giving the CNU women's team the hosting privileges, even though the CNU men had better comparative criteria.

Pretty sure it had nothing to do with giving CNU a host... Scranton had to move too, but if you look at the brackets they weren't in the same conversation with their pods. I think Susquehanna was going to host anyway.

If Hoopsville's statement that Scranton moved into #2 in the region ahead of Susquehanna, then, by Ryan Scott's idea, Scranton should be "hosting" @ #3 seed Williams against #4 seed Oswego St. Correct?

It appears, on the bracket, that the pods go, basically, 1-4-2-3.  I believe they've got Susquehanna the #2, Scranton the #3, which makes Williams the #6.  That seems fair.

It's very clear they didn't do the 3rd team hosts thing this year.  When I went back to the old brackets today, I realized that was just one year they mentioned that - and one year does not a trend make.  I should've bracketed differently in our mock and I'll do better next year.  Most pods are listed 1-4-2-3 as well, except where the women's team altered hosting.

However, it could be argued this committee really did try to give host duties to the 16 best teams overall, regardless of region.  In that case it wouldn't be tough to argue even #2 in the MA this year was below #4 in the NE, Williams.  We'll honestly never know exactly - but overall  I think this was a really good bracket and Scranton couldn't have hosted anyway, even if they were #1 overall.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Looks like Swarthmore lucked out to get a home game.  Didn't expect that at all.  Hope Swarthmore represents the CC well.

Neither did anyone else...had everything to do w/the NCAA giving the CNU women's team the hosting privileges, even though the CNU men had better comparative criteria.

Pretty sure it had nothing to do with giving CNU a host... Scranton had to move too, but if you look at the brackets they weren't in the same conversation with their pods. I think Susquehanna was going to host anyway.

If Hoopsville's statement that Scranton moved into #2 in the region ahead of Susquehanna, then, by Ryan Scott's idea, Scranton should be "hosting" @ #3 seed Williams against #4 seed Oswego St. Correct?

It appears, on the bracket, that the pods go, basically, 1-4-2-3.  I believe they've got Susquehanna the #2, Scranton the #3, which makes Williams the #6.  That seems fair.

It's very clear they didn't do the 3rd team hosts thing this year.  When I went back to the old brackets today, I realized that was just one year they mentioned that - and one year does not a trend make.  I should've bracketed differently in our mock and I'll do better next year.  Most pods are listed 1-4-2-3 as well, except where the women's team altered hosting.

However, it could be argued this committee really did try to give host duties to the 16 best teams overall, regardless of region.  In that case it wouldn't be tough to argue even #2 in the MA this year was below #4 in the NE, Williams.  We'll honestly never know exactly - but overall  I think this was a really good bracket and Scranton couldn't have hosted anyway, even if they were #1 overall.

Well, it appears they did it(#1 hosting @ #3 and playing #4) with the CNU pod and also the Wash U pod; maybe Dave can verify that with the chair and, if so, why it didn't happen in Scranton's case?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 09:07:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Looks like Swarthmore lucked out to get a home game.  Didn't expect that at all.  Hope Swarthmore represents the CC well.

Neither did anyone else...had everything to do w/the NCAA giving the CNU women's team the hosting privileges, even though the CNU men had better comparative criteria.

Pretty sure it had nothing to do with giving CNU a host... Scranton had to move too, but if you look at the brackets they weren't in the same conversation with their pods. I think Susquehanna was going to host anyway.

If Hoopsville's statement that Scranton moved into #2 in the region ahead of Susquehanna, then, by Ryan Scott's idea, Scranton should be "hosting" @ #3 seed Williams against #4 seed Oswego St. Correct?

It appears, on the bracket, that the pods go, basically, 1-4-2-3.  I believe they've got Susquehanna the #2, Scranton the #3, which makes Williams the #6.  That seems fair.

It's very clear they didn't do the 3rd team hosts thing this year.  When I went back to the old brackets today, I realized that was just one year they mentioned that - and one year does not a trend make.  I should've bracketed differently in our mock and I'll do better next year.  Most pods are listed 1-4-2-3 as well, except where the women's team altered hosting.

However, it could be argued this committee really did try to give host duties to the 16 best teams overall, regardless of region.  In that case it wouldn't be tough to argue even #2 in the MA this year was below #4 in the NE, Williams.  We'll honestly never know exactly - but overall  I think this was a really good bracket and Scranton couldn't have hosted anyway, even if they were #1 overall.

Well, it appears they did it(#1 hosting @ #3 and playing #4) with the CNU pod and also the Wash U pod; maybe Dave can verify that with the chair and, if so, why it didn't happen in Scranton's case?

I get the impression from this ballot that they really put together 16 team brackets and tried to balance them all 1-16 (with obvious geographic issues messing things up).  In that case, I imagine they put together pods, then figured out hosts.

I think Swarthmore is the #2 in the CNU pod.  I could see either Williams or Scranton as the #1 in that pod, with the other as the #2.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2017, 12:05:30 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Neither did anyone else...had everything to do w/the NCAA giving the CNU women's team the hosting privileges, even though the CNU men had better comparative criteria.

This exactly does not matter. It rotates for this very reason. Otherwise the committees would have a much more difficult time determining who hosts. If the CNU women are qualified to host, it doesn't matter is the CNU men are better qualified in the first weekend in odd-numbered years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 28, 2017, 10:03:29 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Looks like Swarthmore lucked out to get a home game.  Didn't expect that at all.  Hope Swarthmore represents the CC well.

Neither did anyone else...had everything to do w/the NCAA giving the CNU women's team the hosting privileges, even though the CNU men had better comparative criteria.

Pretty sure it had nothing to do with giving CNU a host... Scranton had to move too, but if you look at the brackets they weren't in the same conversation with their pods. I think Susquehanna was going to host anyway.

Come on, Dave, if the CNU women weren't hosting, the committee would have found a way for the men to host the first weekend...they were #1 in the MA from start to finish...how can you not reward that?  Last year, they sent Lycoming, Brooklyn and NYU to Newport News, which obviously wasn't a central location...they must have felt that CNU deserved to host, which is what they likely would have done if the women didn't have priority this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 04:12:10 PM
Let me circle back... I am once again taking Swarthmore and Susquehanna and mixing them up in my head - damn S SCHOOLS! That is two weeks in a row in my head.

I was referring to Susquehanna in my comments... and conflating them with Swarthmore. I apologize.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 28, 2017, 08:16:32 PM
Just slightly different SAT scores.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 28, 2017, 08:16:32 PM
Just slightly different SAT scores.   ;D

Or so you hope... LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on March 01, 2017, 08:29:28 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 28, 2017, 08:16:32 PM
Just slightly different SAT scores.   ;D

Or so you hope... LOL

I know you're making a joke here, but Swat's rather up-and-down athletic history (outside of a couple consistent programs like tennis) might suggest that they don't exactly make a habit of bending admissions standards all that much.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: txg on March 01, 2017, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: sunny on March 01, 2017, 08:29:28 AM
Swat's rather up-and-down athletic history

This description is... charitable.  I stumbled onto the Hood Trophy historical results the other day and my eyes started bleeding.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 01, 2017, 05:19:03 PM
Quote from: sunny on March 01, 2017, 08:29:28 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 28, 2017, 08:16:32 PM
Just slightly different SAT scores.   ;D

Or so you hope... LOL

I know you're making a joke here, but Swat's rather up-and-down athletic history (outside of a couple consistent programs like tennis) might suggest that they don't exactly make a habit of bending admissions standards all that much.

Hey, Swat's standards are incredibly high. A certain young man wanted to go there and was denied. He later became our 44th President. Swat's average SAT scores are in the 2300 range. The three most important things at Swat are studies, studies, and then studies. However, a degree from Swat is as good as you can get. Yeah, they don't bend standards for athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2017, 05:31:37 PM
If the basketball team gets too much better, they may drop it like football. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2017, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2017, 05:31:37 PM
If the basketball team gets too much better, they may drop it like football. :D

Boom.

+1
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 01, 2017, 07:07:44 PM
Of the two Quaker D3 venues in the Philly area, which one has the higher academic standards? Or is it, perhaps, a virtual dead heat? (Or could it be that Haverford has the edge because the Fords dropped football before the Garnet did so?   ::))
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2017, 02:10:41 AM
http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2016-17/releases/20170228g371d2

They're not all at Swarthmore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 06, 2017, 02:00:25 PM
Speaking of Swat, I heard a rumor that Cam Wiley came to Swat without being recruited and made the team as a walk on.  If that is true, then that was quite a coup for Swat.  Does anyone know if that rumor is true.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 04:12:26 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 06, 2017, 02:00:25 PM
Speaking of Swat, I heard a rumor that Cam Wiley came to Swat without being recruited and made the team as a walk on.  If that is true, then that was quite a coup for Swat.  Does anyone know if that rumor is true.

I believe Hoopsville has a brief interview with him following the CC championship game that Gordon Mann conducted.  If I recall, Wiley was approached by Swarthmore as an academic recruit and his Dad had met Coach Kosmalski at one of the Ivy League camps and had gotten his contact info and Wiley contacted the coach that way.  I don't think he was a true walk on, but I suspect, being from Florida, he may not have been heavy on the basketball radar until he expressed interest.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 06, 2017, 05:13:11 PM
Thanks, Ryan.  Your explanation makes sense.  I didn't think anyone that good could fly under the radar.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nescac1 on March 07, 2017, 09:51:50 AM
Swarthmore has mildly tougher admissions standards than Haverford, but it's very close.  In all events, MIT, Amherst, Williams, Emory and Wash U., among others, are proof that being an academic and athletic powerhouse are not mutually exclusive in D3.  Swarthmore's young coach has clearly built something sustainable and considering how little they lose to graduation (plus getting a former all-conference guy back from, I presume, injury), Swat has the look of a top ten team next season.  Along with several others from the aforementioned group. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on March 08, 2017, 08:31:59 AM
nothing from Hoopdog? probably waiting for the Mules to hire  a new coach to make his life a living hell!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 10, 2017, 06:16:58 AM
Yeah, Cam is from Georgia, was a highly rated recruit, and is an incredible player. Swat absolutely will be very good next year. Of course, many of us Swat followers are worried we will lose Coach K.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 10, 2017, 07:55:53 AM
congrats to swat...what a difference a good coach makes!
does coach want to get back to D1 as a head coach (came from davidson as an assistant; was there when steph curry was playing)? stay at swat and attempt to build a dynasty like grob did? we shall see
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2017, 08:02:09 AM
Quote from: centfan on March 10, 2017, 07:55:53 AM
congrats to swat...what a difference a good coach makes!
does coach want to get back to D1 as a head coach (came from davidson as an assistant; was there when steph curry was playing)? stay at swat and attempt to build a dynasty like grob did? we shall see

I asked him that last year and he talked about falling in love with d3 and our particular uniquenesses.  I'd guess that perhaps he's more concerned about being at a high academic school (like Swarthmore or Davidson) than the division.  With the recruits he's bringing in - they've got two of the best freshman bigs I've seen in a while - there's not much reason to leave.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 15, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
Sorry to see Bill Nelson retire from JHU-----he is a class act and an excellent basketball coach.  He hinted at retirement about 4 years ago but said he wanted to get the program back to where it was before he retires.  He has done that and deserves to enjoy retirement.  Should be plenty of applicants for his job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 15, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
Sorry to see Bill Nelson retire from JHU-----he is a class act and an excellent basketball coach.  He hinted at retirement about 4 years ago but said he wanted to get the program back to where it was before he retires.  He has done that and deserves to enjoy retirement.  Should be plenty of applicants for his job.

I kid you not, there was a reason I went to campus to interview him earlier this year... I had strong suspicion this was his last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 18, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
Who has the video rights to the final game?  It seems like I could watch the game in prior years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 18, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Waiting to see the bracket results.  I had Babson(men) and Amherst(women).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 19, 2017, 12:59:53 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 18, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
Who has the video rights to the final game?  It seems like I could watch the game in prior years.

A little late, but the game was on CBS Sports Network.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 19, 2017, 12:32:55 PM
Ryan, it wouldn't have mattered.  I don't have cable.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 22, 2017, 11:01:00 PM
coach mucci resigned from haverford
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 23, 2017, 08:23:17 AM
Big turnover in coaches this year.  Three--so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 23, 2017, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 23, 2017, 08:23:17 AM
Big turnover in coaches this year.  Three--so far.

We'll see who the replacements are, but I venture the average age of coaches is going to drop precipitously in the CC.  I remember writing two years ago just how experienced the coaches were, now many are retiring and moving on.  Interesting times.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 23, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
There are a lot of experienced, and good, coaches in the Mid-Atlantic... but to be blunt, I am not sure Haverford has the same draw as E-town, Muhlenberg, Shenandoah, and other jobs have meaning I am not sure they will apply. I will be interested to see if anyone thinks they can do at Haverford what has been done at Swarthmore. I believe it can be done. Bobbi Morgan has proven it on the women's side. I am just curious how it is perceived by outside coaches.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 23, 2017, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 23, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
There are a lot of experienced, and good, coaches in the Mid-Atlantic... but to be blunt, I am not sure Haverford has the same draw as E-town, Muhlenberg, Shenandoah, and other jobs have meaning I am not sure they will apply. I will be interested to see if anyone thinks they can do at Haverford what has been done at Swarthmore. I believe it can be done. Bobbi Morgan has proven it on the women's side. I am just curious how it is perceived by outside coaches.

The former Valley Forge coach is looking for a job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 24, 2017, 07:22:48 AM
What was done at Swat is definitely possible for Haverford in terms of getting a strong coach who will radically change the basketball culture. I think that Haverford will become a winning team and perhaps a consistent playoff team. The program will be turned around and has been in difficult shape for quite a while. It is exciting for the Fords and I wish them the very best...it will help the conference to see them be more competitive.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 30, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Reserved Seat and other Dips fans

We were out doing some antique shopping today and had the pleasure of meeting former Dips star guard Duran Searles and his lovely wife Kristy---also an F&M alum.  Being a UC Bears fan, I remember Duran playing in the 2004 game against Ursinus when Dennis Stanton scored 55 points in a memorable game----if you're a Bears fan.  Ironically, Duran and Dennis were first team all CC guards that year.

Duran and Kristy own a shop in Peacedale, RI (close to the University of Rhode Island) by the name of Painted Karma where they specialize in custom vintage designs. A spectacular couple with two lovely daughters, they seem to be doing what they love and are doing it well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 31, 2017, 06:38:51 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 30, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Reserved Seat and other Dips fans

We were out doing some antique shopping today and had the pleasure of meeting former Dips star guard Duran Searles and his lovely wife Kristy---also an F&M alum.  Being a UC Bears fan, I remember Duran playing in the 2004 game against Ursinus when Dennis Stanton scored 55 points in a memorable game----if you're a Bears fan.  Ironically, Duran and Dennis were first team all CC guards that year.

Duran and Kristy own a shop in Peacedale, RI (close to the University of Rhode Island) by the name of Painted Karma where they specialize in custom vintage designs. A spectacular couple with two lovely daughters, they seem to be doing what they love and are doing it well.

Weird. I have an aunt who lives in Peacedale, RI.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 31, 2017, 10:56:55 AM
Ryan,

Peacedale is rural and sparsely populated but worth the trip.  We live in Newport, about 15 miles away.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 31, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 31, 2017, 10:56:55 AM
Ryan,

Peacedale is rural and sparsely populated but worth the trip.  We live in Newport, about 15 miles away.

(A) The fact anyone called anything in RI rural or sparsely populated considering how small the state is.
(b) That fact proven the last line, "We live in Newport, about 15 miles away."

I used to spend a long week (10 days) every summer for four or five years with my family and extended family in a house with a few acres of property an easy walk from the beach in Little Compton, RI. So much fun. Newport is a beautiful location, though reminds me of how my career has not been successful LOL.

But you can blink driving through the state and miss it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 31, 2017, 11:46:07 AM
D-Mac

Very true but we have no trouble getting our family to come and visit----we just remind them not to blink.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 05, 2017, 08:14:43 PM
I am a big believer that the change in coaches in the conference this year was not only vital for the specific teams but for the league in its entirety. Cent Fan makes a good point about the future of the Fords but what about the "Not so Might Mules" and the "Powerhouse we know as Hopkins". Mules had successes in the past but these last couple years they have been abysmal. There only bright spots seem to be a fundamentally sound and highly skilled German-born big named Eric Werheim. You can see the European in his game with great footwork both in the paint and on the perimeter. Hopkins has the easiest time recruiting and rumor is that they have a pretty strong recruiting class coming in.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 06, 2017, 09:23:16 AM
Although I am new to this blog I am a long time fan of the Centennial Conference. Having said that, I am going to start giving "Hanks Thought of the Day" and today I will be predicting the final standings for next year's season.

1.Swat
2.Franklin and Marshall 
3.Dickinson
4.Hopkins
5.Gettysburg
6.Ursinus
7.Muhlenberg
8.WAC
9.Haverford

Because this is the first "Hanks Thought of the Day" I will give another thought....

This will be the final year the Great Glen Robinson will be the Head Coach of F&M, this does not mean that he will be leaving the program. It's only fitting that with all the coaching change going on in the Cent that the greatest coach in all of Divison III will join many of his competitors and give up his job as head coach, but he will stay on the staff and be the first assistant. This is because F&M wants a peaceful transition of power (similar to the Obama Trump relationship) and Robinson will help guide and mentor the new coach, my estimate is for no more than two seasons. F&M basketball is Coach Robinson's baby and like any good parent, they want to test out the babysitter before hiring them for good. Robinson will make sure that the future of F&M is in good hands before he leaves for good and inevitably moves down to Florida to enjoy a life of shuffleboard and tuna sandwiches on rye.   

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on April 06, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Welcome to the boards! Swathmore definitely will be the top of the CC this year and should be poised for a good NCAA run.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 06, 2017, 07:42:55 PM
Hank signing on for "Hanks Thought of the Day". Today's thought is going to be quick because the wife is making Tuna Casserole. I want to give my thought for the Most Improved Player in the Cent next season. I believe this award will go to none other than Danny Duffey from Gettysburg. Duffy averaged 5.6 points per game and only shot 38% from the field and 25% from behind the arc. This is common with freshman players because of the increase in the pace of the game from high school to college. Hanks believes that Duffy will average 14 points per game and shot 44% from the field and 35% from behind the arc. Duffy totaled 90 assists and had 70 turnovers which was not bad for a freshman, and I expect him to approve upon that. By the time Duffy is an upper classman I believe Duffy can be only the 7th player in Gettysburg history to average 20 points and 5 assists and 5 rebounds. This summer will be huge for Duffy and is works hard and smart, he has a good chance of taking home this award.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on April 07, 2017, 08:36:02 AM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 06, 2017, 09:23:16 AM
Although I am new to this blog I am a long time fan of the Centennial Conference. Having said that, I am going to start giving "Hanks Thought of the Day" and today I will be predicting the final standings for next year's season.

1.Swat
2.Franklin and Marshall 
3.Dickinson
4.Hopkins
5.Gettysburg
6.Ursinus
7.Muhlenberg
8.WAC
9.Haverford

Because this is the first "Hanks Thought of the Day" I will give another thought....

This will be the final year the Great Glen Robinson will be the Head Coach of F&M, this does not mean that he will be leaving the program. It's only fitting that with all the coaching change going on in the Cent that the greatest coach in all of Divison III will join many of his competitors and give up his job as head coach, but he will stay on the staff and be the first assistant. This is because F&M wants a peaceful transition of power (similar to the Obama Trump relationship) and Robinson will help guide and mentor the new coach, my estimate is for no more than two seasons. F&M basketball is Coach Robinson's baby and like any good parent, they want to test out the babysitter before hiring them for good. Robinson will make sure that the future of F&M is in good hands before he leaves for good and inevitably moves down to Florida to enjoy a life of shuffleboard and tuna sandwiches on rye.

What happened to McDaniel?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 07, 2017, 03:52:03 PM
Hank has one to many Gin and Tonics last night, they should finish 7th and every team will be pushed back one
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 07, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
Mules strike first with Kevin Hopkins taking the helm in Allentown. I thought McClary deserved another couple of seasons in the barn, but some times you just dont have the horses. Hopkins lack of experience is somewhat of a concern, as we have seen with Byron Scott and his stable of NBA teams: a good playing career does not equal a good coaching tenure. I would have checked in to some higher level coaches, Im not talking crean here but Richmond has a storied assistant Marcus Jenkins who also has ivy league roots. An air force graduate, the mules lack of structure could definitely use a military background. Another candidate I saw fitting is Harry Morra who has local roots in powerhouse DeSales and has also worked elite camps at schools like Duke and Nova which are instant qualifiers. Just food for thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 07, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
HopkinsNest7: Reading your post infuriates me because of the utter nonsense and lack of knowledge you have on the process of hiring a coach. Hopkins is exactly what the Mules need, somebody who can relate to the players and help guide them in the right direction. He will have to prove he knows the x's and o's but coming from a well-respected school like Amherst, I believe that won't be a problem. This guy is the definition of a winner, leading his team to a victory in the 2007 National Championship game. How many national championships have any of the other candidates won? I am not stating their will is a direct correlation with being a good player and being a good coach but you can't teach being a winner. I found an article written in 2007 after the national championship game where Coach Hixon states that "Hopkins has the heart of a lion and a killer instinct that can't be matched".  Off the court, he is the role model the Mules need. He has never been convicted of a series crime and he is not the type of guy whose name you will see in the tabloids.

I have the feeling that you're a little jealous that Hopkins couldn't snatch up Hopkins. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 07, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
Hank--

Are you back on the gin and tonic? Hopkins can hand pick whoever they want to claim the throne of Goldfarb. Interviews have already begun with John Jaques from Cornell, a cerebral individual accustomed to reeling high academic ballers. Another is Terry Johnson from everyones favorite Cinderella; Butler.. he has an outstanding relationship with Hawks reserve guard Shelvin Mack amongst others proving an intense player coach relationship. Lastly I will suggest Mike Rice who is stashed at the Patrick School and desperate for an NCAA bout, also would be a unique opportunity to coach against his son in the Dip Zone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on April 07, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
The two of you must be smoking something good, what on Earth are you two thinking?

None of these Coaches are realistic at all. My prime pick would have been current Fairleigh Dickinson assistant and former William Paterson Head Coach Jose Rebimbas.  Guy had a very high winning percentage and made a final four at bill on the hill.  Something strange happened with his esteemed summer camp and the school ended up letting him go during the season.  Players subsequently refused to play the next game, opting to forfeit instead.  Such a shame, but a proven head coach who is adored by his players certainly would have been a change at Muhlenberg, and I'm sure that he also would be an excellent fit at Hopkins.  As my favorite NFL owner, the late, great, unparalleled Al Davis said, "Just win, baby."

I digress, must give Kevin Hopkins the chance he deserves.  Heard Hopkins is a former big guy-could bode well for freak athlete Werheim.  Hoping he can figure out a way to best utilize his bigs in a way McClary could not.  Absurd that Hunter never progressed, lack of discipline within the program and an inattention to detail can be blamed for that.  A Baez-Werheim frontcourt at their full potential would be a force to reckon with.  Werheim's natural athleticism can allow him to chase quicker guards out on the perimeter, a la Draymond Green in the NBA.  Hopefully Hopkins can get the most out of this group of guys at 'Berg, I've heard their work ethics are unparalleled.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 07, 2017, 04:30:15 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 07, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
HopkinsNest7: Reading your post infuriates me because of the utter nonsense and lack of knowledge you have on the process of hiring a coach. Hopkins is exactly what the Mules need, somebody who can relate to the players and help guide them in the right direction. He will have to prove he knows the x's and o's but coming from a well-respected school like Amherst, I believe that won't be a problem. This guy is the definition of a winner, leading his team to a victory in the 2007 National Championship game. How many national championships have any of the other candidates won? I am not stating their will is a direct correlation with being a good player and being a good coach but you can't teach being a winner. I found an article written in 2007 after the national championship game where Coach Hixon states that "Hopkins has the heart of a lion and a killer instinct that can't be matched".  Off the court, he is the role model the Mules need. He has never been convicted of a series crime and he is not the type of guy whose name you will see in the tabloids.

I have the feeling that you're a little jealous that Hopkins couldn't snatch up Hopkins. 

Wait a minute. Didn't "Mr. Warmth" die yesterday?   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 07, 2017, 04:34:55 PM
The Mules needed a change and got it with Hopkins, my point was there were bigger fish in the pond. The German import Werheim is a gift for any incoming coach and a former post player can do wonders for him and his teammates.

I predict a 6th place finish for the Mules a there will be definite improvements but not enough to get them to Centennial supremacy. And yes Hank, it is always good for the man at the helm to be out of the tabloids.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on April 07, 2017, 04:41:54 PM
I actually caught the tail end of the Amherst-Keene State game this year up at Ramapo College while I was visiting my wife's family. A heartbreaking defeat for Amherst on a last second shot, similar to what the Mules experienced multiplet times over the last few years.  Hopefully Hopkins can turn some of those excruciating losses into wins for the Mules.

It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you guys, my friends, that my wife and I are finalizing a divorce this weekend.  I've been too wrapped up with that to be on here recently. Truly, it is long overdue, and hopefully I'll be able to find some more happiness.  God bless to all of you. 

Any word on recruiting classes around the Cent?  Haven't really heard much.  Wondering how the coaching turmoil will effect recruiting for these incoming classes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 07, 2017, 04:44:15 PM
Craze--

Best wishes in the new chapter of life.

Heard Ursinus has a top prospect coming in, I saw some of his high school tape and he reminds me of a young Hinnenkamp with a more perimeter oriented game. Could be an issue in Collegeville for the likes of the Cent. Possibly sending Robinson to that shuffleboard court and tuna fish filled picnic table sooner than expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 08, 2017, 01:17:44 PM
Hank Signing in:

Today I want to give "Hanks Prediction on Player of the Year." I am a firm believer that it won't be either of the early front runners in Wiley or Federici. Hank is confident that is will be none other than the "Parisian Prophet" in Remi Janicot. The key for Janicot to complete this upset victory is to reduce his turnovers where he had 54 and increase his assists where he only racked up 22. What I really like about Janicot's game is that in out of conference games he shot 75.4% from the free throw line but in conference games he increased that to 78.4%. This shows that he has the ability to focus in times of distress. He averaged just short of 8 points a game but I am confident that he will be scoring just under 20 a game this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 10, 2017, 10:20:17 AM
Any updates on Haverford College coaching search?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on April 10, 2017, 11:33:49 AM
Hopkins being introduced shortly as Muhlenberg's coach.

Very interested to see who Hopkins hires.  Jeff Van Gundy played under outgoing Nelson, maybe he will step in?  Not sure if JHU can put together a convincing enough offer salary wise.  However, committing major money to JVG could catapult them to the Division 1 level, thinking the Patriot league?  With BIG 10 revenue sharing from lacrosse, the success of the track and field, football, and baseball teams, a commitment in the form of JVG could give them enough well rounded sports to entice a conference to bring them in.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 10, 2017, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: CentCraze88 on April 10, 2017, 11:33:49 AM
Hopkins being introduced shortly as Muhlenberg's coach.

Very interested to see who Hopkins hires.  Jeff Van Gundy played under outgoing Nelson, maybe he will step in?  Not sure if JHU can put together a convincing enough offer salary wise.  However, committing major money to JVG could catapult them to the Division 1 level, thinking the Patriot league?  With BIG 10 revenue sharing from lacrosse, the success of the track and field, football, and baseball teams, a commitment in the form of JVG could give them enough well rounded sports to entice a conference to bring them in.

Absolutely NO reason for Van Gundy to step away from his current role and paycheck and take over the JHU team. Not worth it in any sense of the definition.

I am told they interviewed or talked to about 20 people while at the Final Four in Phoenix. I am also told they are using a company to help with the search which I also know resulted in some interesting head-hunting. A lot of D1 assistants have been in the mix, but I have learned there has been some vocal opposition to that idea - because many D1 assistants just want to use the job as a stepping stone. Some of the names I heard in the mix may result in a more long-term approach after all (which the vocal opposition wants).

As far as the BIG 10 money... pretend you don't even know about it. JHU lacrosse programs have to be run and operated (including budget) completely separately from the rest of athletics (DIII). They can't intermingle the money. That is the grandfather rule to having the DI lacrosse programs. There is a reason the lacrosse field has a football field on it versus a football field that has lacrosse lines.

Yes, the success of the other programs has lead to a pretty big crop of applicants, but in your last sentence what do you mean by "a commitment in the form of JVG could give them enough well rounded sports to entice a conference to bring them in" ??? That makes no sense unless you are alluding to moving all of JHU to the BIG 10 - I don't think that is what you are saying, but your sentence structure makes it confusing.

But back to my first point... JVG - just because he has connections to Bill - doesn't mean he would be interested in the job. He has a fine life. Coaching JHU isn't going to suddenly be something he wants to do.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 10, 2017, 10:22:14 PM
Realistically crazier things have happened than Hopkins bumping up to D1. They aren't gonna go to the big ten but if Hopkins ends up offering JVG I don't see a way they stick D3. Here is a list of players that JVG has coaches:
T Mac
Rafer Alston
Erick Dampier

We all like to play the game of theoretical but I see this as being possible. Take Andy enfield for example, Hopkins is a springboard for college coaching and with JVGs open discontent with the NBA he is probably going to try to get into college. Players will be enticed by Gundys prior experience and end up choosing the nest of Hopkins over the likes of some d1 schools.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on April 11, 2017, 09:23:54 AM
van gundy coaching at hopkins seems like a long shot at best...good luck with that. if it happened, which seems highly unlikely, it'd be a weird, cool and fun thing but my guess is it wouldn't be a challenge for him. i like the dream though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on April 11, 2017, 11:01:46 AM
The hiring of a Coach does not automatically bump up a team to D1.... Also, I will attend each JHU game this year if they hire JVG, no way that happens such as Dave mentioned. There are some serious tinted glasses in this thread.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 11, 2017, 12:33:10 PM
I'll throw on my "tinted glasses" for one more thought.

With JVG possible stepping in at Hopkins I have heard that Scott Mcclary (former Mules coach) is being considered for the Haverford Job. After early success in the barn it's only right for McClary to get another shot at redemption in the Cent.

Kevin Hopkins
JVG (maybe)
Scott McClary new regime

This is what D3 is all about, endless possibilities across the board.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 11, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
New rivalries will be born
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 11, 2017, 03:58:24 PM
There is plenty of speculation about the Hopkins job, who is in the running, and how much it might pay. You can easily find the info if you want to go looking for it.

I can't say much as I have told a few people I won't say anything... but put it this way: the most recent, and detailed, info out there is only telling half the story. The number of people the school has talked to is at least twice if not triple the recent report. The number of individuals who have had video-chats with administrators at JHU is probably double what is being reported. The salary being said to be put together appears to be a real reach, unless it is the "right person" as someone told me. The problems: some of the names being floated around actually hurts those coaches, in my opinion;  there are some other good coaches in the mix not being talked about; releasing such a crazy salary number that might only be for the "right person" will make it tough for JHU because now all coaches know what that number is. Things are going to get interesting soon... I suspect we have an answer in about two weeks time.

As for Haverford - I think McClary could do well there. I think Haverford has to turn things on right now. They have a very successful women's program and with Swarthmore now competitive, the ego is going to have to push Haverford to put a full-throated effort in. I think McClary could do well if administration is behind him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 11, 2017, 06:41:47 PM
Dave:

I like the idea of former Mules Coach Scott McClary going to Haverford, do you know if the administration is considering him for the job? Would be a great story if McClary stayed in the Cent and I'm sure he would be eager to turn that program around. I wonder if McClary was offered the job if his health is in a good enough state for him to accept the job and thrive as the new fords coach. Also, does anybody know who else the Fords are thinking about as coach if this McClary thing does not happen? I would appreciate it if Hopkinsnest does not give me an insane response like Van Gundy, Hank does not have time for that and if I wanted to laugh, I would watch Geroge Lopez.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 11, 2017, 09:54:02 PM
Hank:

Ill spare you the late night Lopez tonight. Look no further than Avery Johnson at 'Bama. He has established himself as one of the best recruiters in the country and is turning around a team with little optimism prior to his tenure. It is not out of the question to think Gundy, also a former NBA coach, cannot execute the same orders at a Division 3 school like Johns Hopkins.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 13, 2017, 08:28:32 AM
HopkinsNest (Dumb Bird):

This will be my last response to you on this subject, JVG will not be the coach of Hopkins, I have a better chance of getting my first wife back. STOP making this idiotic argument that these former NBA coaches who currently hold million dollar contracts are going to come to the Cent. Haverford has a better chance of meeting Mcdaniel in the finals this year... BURN.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 13, 2017, 10:06:22 AM
the original point was JVG would propel Hopkins into the patriot league, best of luck with that wife though. I feel like the Haverford job is a little more intersting by the virtue that Hopkins will be good pretty much whether JVG or that insulting blogger Hank Mardukas is at the helm. It's just the nature of the beast.

If I were to be hired by Haverford here would be my order of business to become relevant:
1. Collect alumni money for an alternate Nike throwback 'Fords jersey. What the squirrels lack for in athletic abilities thsy make up for in money. With throwback jerseys to honor Fords legend Dick Voith (class of 77), there is a chance recruits will fall in love with the fresh look and history of the program.

2. Exercise the 5th year for Matt sherman as he has missed numerous games the last couple of years. Make him an extension of the coach on the floor sort of like Luke Ridnour did up in pacific Seattle for all those years.

3. Make sure Sciibelli breaks the centennial scoring record. While this may be difficult it is important to make sure scibelli is leaning out for dunks and lay ups to generate excitement for Haverford games. A historic chase could fill the stands and boost the confidence for the joe "fettucini" Scibelli

The only guy I could really see being bold enough to go through with this is McClary.. it's only a matter of time before order is restored on the main line
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 14, 2017, 04:43:12 PM
Hank signing on:

Today I want to discuss my prediction for defensive player of the year. There are really only two players who I can see winning this award. The first is Swat's starting center, Robbie Walsh. He is a fierce rim protector and a great shot blocker, the anchor or Swat's defense. The other player who I can see winning this award is Franklin and Marshall's Matt Tate. He has the ability to pick up opposing teams guards and speed up the pace of the game. Time and time again he makes the player he is guarding look stupid or lost, similarly to how I make HopkinsNest look on this blog. I think both these players has a legit chance of taking home this award and will be tasked with guarding some of the best players in Divison III basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on April 15, 2017, 10:35:45 PM
hopkinsnest7: stay tuned... haverford will become relevant and will do so without mcclary. sorry to be the bringer of bad news, as i know you are a big mcclary fan, but the fords will hire quite a good coach but it will not be him. i wish him luck in his search. give them a couple of years to recruit and rebuild and we will see a new program there after a long, tough losing history.
happy easter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2017, 11:59:06 AM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 11, 2017, 06:41:47 PM
Dave:

I like the idea of former Mules Coach Scott McClary going to Haverford, do you know if the administration is considering him for the job? Would be a great story if McClary stayed in the Cent and I'm sure he would be eager to turn that program around. I wonder if McClary was offered the job if his health is in a good enough state for him to accept the job and thrive as the new fords coach. Also, does anybody know who else the Fords are thinking about as coach if this McClary thing does not happen? I would appreciate it if Hopkinsnest does not give me an insane response like Van Gundy, Hank does not have time for that and if I wanted to laugh, I would watch Geroge Lopez.

Personally I do not know. I like the idea, but gut feeling tells me Haverford is looking elsewhere. As for his health... not sure why it is a factor since it hasn't appeared to be a factor in the past.

As for the job search... best I can tell they are midway through the process. Hopkins will announce probably in about ten days or so... E-Town will probably be just ahead or behind Hopkins... I suspect Haverford is a few weeks from finalists right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on April 17, 2017, 04:37:53 PM
Dave - I believe the press release from Muhlenberg contained a quote from McClary saying he was focusing on his health and family. I suppose thats why it has been called into question.  Obviously we, the lovers of CC BBALL, wish him the best.

You seem to be the knower of all things Mr. McHugh.  Any rumors on Seretti or Kosmalski looking at making the jump to a higher coaching position?  Or do they seem like D3 lifers to you?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2017, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: CentCraze88 on April 17, 2017, 04:37:53 PM
Dave - I believe the press release from Muhlenberg contained a quote from McClary saying he was focusing on his health and family. I suppose thats why it has been called into question.  Obviously we, the lovers of CC BBALL, wish him the best.

You seem to be the knower of all things Mr. McHugh.  Any rumors on Seretti or Kosmalski looking at making the jump to a higher coaching position?  Or do they seem like D3 lifers to you?

I know what the McClary comment was, now that you have reminded me, but by all accounts it wasn't a real "resignation," so I am not putting much stock in the quote. Basically a canned quote for these circumstances.

As for Seretti and Kosmalski... I know Seretti has looked in the past (when RMC job, and maybe the UMW job, was open a few years ago I know he was of high interest)... but I have not heard either of their names in the mix for jobs as of late. That said, I am not aware of the names in the mix for the Haverford job.

Personally, only the Hopkins job seems to be one either would want to go for... the others are equal or lower compared to their current jobs. Unless something drastic changed, I am not aware of them in the Hopkins running.

As for higher jobs, like D1... I am not sure Seretti is interested in leaving DIII. Kosmalski considering his background wouldn't surprise me if he did eventually move up... though, he has sworn his love of DIII in the interviews I have done with him in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on April 18, 2017, 08:23:11 AM
Muhlenberg...looks like they are on the rise. The Centennial is shaping up to get stronger with  coaching changes, their recruitment connections, fresh head coaches and winning histories. Next year, and years to come, will be exciting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 18, 2017, 12:06:13 PM
Centennial Injury Report:

Federici - Franklin and Marshall --- spent most of the summer battling a banged up wrist, word out of lancaster is he has had trouble shooting the ball but has subsequently developed a left hand making him nearly ambidextrous.

Duffy - Gettysburg --- suffering from turf toe sustained late last year, could effect press break and mobility in the future.

Shelton - Washington --- Concussion like symptoms have kept him out of the classroom for the last few weeks. Slowly working through protocol, should be back for start of season.

Gardner - Hopkins --- Sustained a sprained ankle in an intramural game but heard it wasnt too serious, looks like the post nelson is off to a tough start. I guess with JVG truly out of the picture a ew coach must be hired soon to restore order in the nest.

I plan on making this a weekly tuesday column. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on April 19, 2017, 09:01:52 AM
Muhlenberg on the rise? Did you take time to watch the interview as they introduced him as head coach? The coach couldn't even remember the name of his best player. Also did you notice how not one returning player was there?! Muhlenberg College might be on the rise for the amount of money they are saving by hiring a guy like this!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on April 19, 2017, 10:04:58 AM
Monix, who would you have liked to see them hire? Sometimes its hard to find a good coach, but Hopkins certainly has credentials.  Everybody love everybody.  At least until they give you a reason not to.  Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt. Certainly could be trading McClary for Hopkins could be like a "washing machine", scrubbing some of the mistakes McClary made but still maintaining the solid foundation McClary created in his time with the Mules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on April 19, 2017, 10:50:04 AM
I would like them to hire someone who has head coaching experience
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 19, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
Monix:

I assume you are either an alum of Muhlenberg or a fan of the program and I understand the dissatisfaction you have towards the basketball program considering the last couple of seasons the Mules had. I can also see from your previous posts that you are not a fan of the AD, and I know how frustrating it can be watching your team struggle and then having them hire somebody you don't think is best for the job. My argument to you is this, every assistant needs an AD to believe in them and give them the opportunity to have their first head coaching job. I can see you are not pleased with the interview that Hopkins had and the miss pronunciation of a player's name. What I am trying to understand is are you actually upset with the hire of Hopkins or the firing of McClary. From what I understand the firing of McClary was shocking to many people in Allentown and all across the Cent. What are your thoughts on the AD's move to let him go/ do you know if there were any internal problems in the program?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on April 19, 2017, 10:18:53 PM
Monix
Hopkins was a winner, (an NCAA National Champion), as both a player and as an assistant coach. I would think he learned a ton at Amherst about what it takes to win and lead as an assistant under Hixon for 5 years. He comes from one of the top D3 basketball programs in the country and from a stronger conference (NESCAC) than the Centennial. We shall see. You may be surprised in a couple of years. The jury is out...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 24, 2017, 09:58:29 PM
Jule Brown has announced he will attend NYU next year
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on April 24, 2017, 10:22:45 PM
       Greetings soldiers....  FYI I have been a long time fan of the "Cent".  I try to check out as many games as possible, but also love to stay up to date on the latest gossip in the league by reading this blog which was brought to my attention a few years back by my friend, Gerry.  Gerry, if you are reading this... Shout out to Gerry!  My main reason for deciding to become a "Cent" blogger is the complete lack of common sense on the recent threads.  As you all know there was more turnover in the league this year than we typically would see which leads me to my first topic.  Excuse my French, but there is NO WAY IN HECK that us fellow "Cent" spectators will ever see Jeff Van Gundy roaming the sidelines for my old pal, Johnny Hopkins.  You have a better chance of seeing one of my personal favorite entertainers, Elvis.  That being said, I have a few candidates in mind in which I could picture seeing roaming the sidelines in Baltimore, MD.  Starting at the NBA experience level first: Mike Woodson (from inside source) you may be doubting me now, but come the fall when this potentially happens I will be the only one laughing.  D1 Level potential candidates: George Halcovage current DOBO at Villanova.  D2 level: Nobody... not qualified enough for prestigious Hopkins.  D3 level: Only things I have heard from multiple sources is that Brendan Mcshea current Swarthmore assistant.  News on B Mcshea is that he is looking for an opportunity to move up in the ranks and who better than somebody who has learned for a few seasons under Landry aka "Cent Stevens" (reference to Brad Stevens of the Boston Celtics).

Well, thats all for my first post on the "World Wide Web"

Corporal Out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 25, 2017, 12:18:17 AM
I am being proposterously mocked for my JVG prediction. It was a simple formula.. Nelson nurtured JVG into this wonderful world of basketball and it is only right for him to carry the torch that Nelson has so courageously carried at Hoppyx

Woodson is about as realistic as Hoopdog responding to this blog now that the Scott McClary regime has ended in Allentown. We all saw the demise of the New York Knicks and his inability to understand Zack Randolph and Eddy Curru can't play together. The Cent is evolving and a coach with too much pride in beefing up his front court will never succeed with the positionless centennial.

Could easily see GRob doing a victory lap in the Nest before all is said and done but who knows I may be delusional.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 25, 2017, 05:48:28 AM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on April 24, 2017, 09:58:29 PM
Jule Brown has announced he will attend NYU next year

I'm not sure its really official until he puts in on twitter, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on April 25, 2017, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 25, 2017, 05:48:28 AM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on April 24, 2017, 09:58:29 PM
Jule Brown has announced he will attend NYU next year

I'm not sure its really official until he puts in on twitter, though.

Man,  It seems like just yesterday the kids were using MySpace to announce this type of news.  Just a way of the past now.......

Corp.  Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 25, 2017, 09:18:52 PM
Time for the weekly centennial injury update:

Michael Gardner: Not sure what witchcraft is being used in the Hopkins training room but Gardy looked great in open gym yesterday, all healed.

Update:

Robbie Walsh: hearing that the big man suffered a sprained finger from an entry pass last week. Seems that he jammed his middle finger on an errant entry pass in a non contact drill. Shouldn't be long term.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on April 26, 2017, 12:53:20 AM
        Hooah!  Corporal Hicks here.  Today I decided to start a new theme on this thread.  Ive been analyzing some historic NBA rosters and I think I would like to compare each "Cent" team to a historic team in the "Association. 


First Roster: The Red Devils out of Carlisle, Dickinson

NBA comparison: 1988-1989 Chicago Bulls

Mike Hinckley-John Paxson- Solid point to run your offense and tempo but still knows his role and lets the skilled wings make big plays in late time moments

Elijah Wright- Michael Jordan- Young but very talented 2 guard.  Has a ton of potential to star in the league if he can overcome some of the things standing in his way.....(Detroit Pistons)

Jule Brown*- Scottie Pippen-  Young but also very talented player.  With the likes of Jordan(Wright) they can conquer the big dogs. .....as for his future we will see where he stands @HopkinsNest7

Moses Romocki- Horace Grant- solid power forward for you not going to wow you by his play but he can get the job done.  Acts as the enforcer for the team

Justus Melton- Bill Cartwright- Good center relative to the league.  Will guard rim decently and rebound for you.  Not a liability for you on offense.


Team has a good deal of talent and potential if they can put it all together they can play with the best of the league and continue to contend for championships.

Corp. Out.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on April 26, 2017, 12:21:31 PM
     Corp. Back at it again.  I would like to make my second comparison of a "Cent" team to an NBA roster.  I would also like to extend the offer to the rest of you fellow bloggers that if you believe my comparison is off in any way then to make one of your own. 

Team:  Dips out of Lancaster PA.

NBA comparison: 1990- 1991 Golden State Warriors

Matthew Tate- Tim Hardaway-  Good point guard who can score it, but is also willing to get in there and mix it up defensively.  Physical guard who can pressure full court and make his matchup uncomfortable.

Brandon Federici- Chris Mullin-  Fantastic talent and a really good scorer.  Obviously not a lefty but the high volume scoring and elite shooting fits for Federici.  Not to mention the volume of steals that Federici had nearly mirrors the 2.1 that Mullin had in the 90-91 season.  Underrated defensively and I believe @CentCraze88 was right when he named Brandon DPOY. 


Hunter Eggers-Mitch Richmond-  Another talented shooting/scoring wing who thrives in a run and gun style game where a high volume of shots are being hoisted.  Solid defensively and sneaky athletic.  Always got to remember where you came from right?  Well Hunter is a transfer from D1 Rice.  Surprised the F&M program didn't make the jump to the Big Ten when Hunter transferred similarly to what will happen when John Hopkins lands JVG @HopkinsNest7.......


Ignas Slyka- Tom Tolbert-  Not a household name by any means but sure can hold his own.  Streaky 3 point shooter and willing to mix it up on the boards. Knows the engine of the team is the 3 guards and does a good job of playing role.

Lionel Owona- Alton Lister- Post player.  Not a guy you are going to run an offense through but he is a big body who will get enough rebounds and will defend enough for the team to be successful. 

Dips are run by their 1 through 3.  Tate, Federici, and Eggers carry a workload offensively similarly to the Warriors RUN T.M.C (Hardaway, Mullin, Richmond).  A nice little retro hip hop reference never hurt anybody right?  With the 3 guards running the show they can get up and down fast and score a lot of points in the Dip Zone. 



Corp. Out. 


















Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 26, 2017, 01:40:49 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on April 26, 2017, 12:21:31 PM
     Corp. Back at it again.  I would like to make my second comparison of a "Cent" team to an NBA roster.  I would also like to extend the offer to the rest of you fellow bloggers that if you believe my comparison is off in any way then to make one of your own. 

Team:  Dips out of Lancaster PA.

NBA comparison: 1990- 1991 Golden State Warriors

Matthew Tate- Tim Hardaway-  Good point guard who can score it, but is also willing to get in there and mix it up defensively.  Physical guard who can pressure full court and make his matchup uncomfortable.


Brandon Federici- Chris Mullin-  Fantastic talent and a really good scorer.  Obviously not a lefty but the high volume scoring and elite shooting fits for Federici.  Not to mention the volume of steals that Federici had nearly mirrors the 2.1 that Mullin had in the 90-91 season.  Underrated defensively and I believe @CentCraze88 was right when he named Brandon DPOY. 


Hunter Eggers-Mitch Richmond-  Another talented shooting/scoring wing who thrives in a run and gun style game where a high volume of shots are being hoisted.  Solid defensively and sneaky athletic.  Always got to remember where you came from right?  Well Hunter is a transfer from D1 Rice.  Surprised the F&M program didn't make the jump to the Big Ten when Hunter transferred similarly to what will happen when John Hopkins lands JVG @HopkinsNest7.......


Ignas Slyka- Tom Tolbert-  Not a household name by any means but sure can hold his own.  Streaky 3 point shooter and willing to mix it up on the boards. Knows the engine of the team is the 3 guards and does a good job of playing role.

Lionel Owona- Alton Lister- Post player.  Not a guy you are going to run an offense through but he is a big body who will get enough rebounds and will defend enough for the team to be successful. 

Dips are run by their 1 through 3.  Tate, Federici, and Eggers carry a workload offensively similarly to the Warriors RUN T.M.C (Hardaway, Mullin, Richmond).  A nice little retro hip hop reference never hurt anybody right?  With the 3 guards running the show they can get up and down fast and score a lot of points in the Dip Zone. 



Corp. Out.

Corp-
First off I want to thank you for your service, we as a country are forever in debt to you. Having said that Hank approves what you posted above but I have one disagreement. Brandon Federici is like a 1991 Christian Laettner. He is equally feared and hated in the Cent and opposing fans love to "chirp" at him on the court and on social media. The rest of your picks are spot on and a precisely accurate. Welcome to the Blog and hope to read more of your posts in the future.

Sincerely your new friend,

Hank Mardukas
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 27, 2017, 06:29:10 AM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 26, 2017, 01:40:49 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on April 26, 2017, 12:21:31 PM
     Corp. Back at it again.  I would like to make my second comparison of a "Cent" team to an NBA roster.  I would also like to extend the offer to the rest of you fellow bloggers that if you believe my comparison is off in any way then to make one of your own. 

Team:  Dips out of Lancaster PA.

NBA comparison: 1990- 1991 Golden State Warriors

Matthew Tate- Tim Hardaway-  Good point guard who can score it, but is also willing to get in there and mix it up defensively.  Physical guard who can pressure full court and make his matchup uncomfortable.


Brandon Federici- Chris Mullin-  Fantastic talent and a really good scorer.  Obviously not a lefty but the high volume scoring and elite shooting fits for Federici.  Not to mention the volume of steals that Federici had nearly mirrors the 2.1 that Mullin had in the 90-91 season.  Underrated defensively and I believe @CentCraze88 was right when he named Brandon DPOY. 


Hunter Eggers-Mitch Richmond-  Another talented shooting/scoring wing who thrives in a run and gun style game where a high volume of shots are being hoisted.  Solid defensively and sneaky athletic.  Always got to remember where you came from right?  Well Hunter is a transfer from D1 Rice.  Surprised the F&M program didn't make the jump to the Big Ten when Hunter transferred similarly to what will happen when John Hopkins lands JVG @HopkinsNest7.......


Ignas Slyka- Tom Tolbert-  Not a household name by any means but sure can hold his own.  Streaky 3 point shooter and willing to mix it up on the boards. Knows the engine of the team is the 3 guards and does a good job of playing role.

Lionel Owona- Alton Lister- Post player.  Not a guy you are going to run an offense through but he is a big body who will get enough rebounds and will defend enough for the team to be successful. 

Dips are run by their 1 through 3.  Tate, Federici, and Eggers carry a workload offensively similarly to the Warriors RUN T.M.C (Hardaway, Mullin, Richmond).  A nice little retro hip hop reference never hurt anybody right?  With the 3 guards running the show they can get up and down fast and score a lot of points in the Dip Zone. 



Corp. Out.

Corp-
First off I want to thank you for your service, we as a country are forever in debt to you. Having said that Hank approves what you posted above but I have one disagreement. Brandon Federici is like a 1991 Christian Laettner. He is equally feared and hated in the Cent and opposing fans love to "chirp" at him on the court and on social media. The rest of your picks are spot on and a precisely accurate. Welcome to the Blog and hope to read more of your posts in the future.

Sincerely your new friend,

Hank Mardukas

I'd say more NBA Christian Laettner, but yeah, that's a good call.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on April 27, 2017, 11:24:14 AM
        Hooah!  See? This is what a blog is all about!  Blogs are not made for fool-headed claims like the ones made every once in a while and I wont name any names.......Cough Cough @HopkinsNest7 Cough.  @HopkinsNest7, any update on the status of Swat's Walsh's finger?  Hope a jammed finger won't cost him too much of his senior season.  Thank you acquaintances @Hank and @RyanScott for the opinions.  I like the Laettner comparison, but not sure its totally fitting.  Federici is a scoring 2 guard while Laettner was more of a stretch 4.  The more and more I think about it I think that Federici fits the mold of a 2008-2009 Sacramento King's Kevin Martin relative to the Centennial Conference obviously.  Their shot release is very awkward but its quick and it works for them. 

    On another note..... Anybody have any updates on the Hopkins job that I haven't mentioned?  Very curious to see what they will end up deciding on who will man the sidelines in the "Nest"


Corp. Out. 





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 27, 2017, 01:01:18 PM
Kids must be out of school this week...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on April 27, 2017, 01:24:26 PM
NEPAFAN - stick to the landmark, the Cent is no joke.

Corp.
While I greatly admire your services in defending our country I'm not willing to minigated by your ignorance. Sure you can take the easy way out here and compare Fed to Kevin Martin due to their unorthodox shot delivery, but I for one put thought into my comparisons.. Mahmoud Abdul Rauf is my comparison. You can note that Phil Jackson often compares Stephen curry to MAR because of their willingness to launch from anywhere. Feds range is out to the non existent admission table in most Cent gyms similar to Rauf.

I am going to compare Raufs 1992-1993 campaign in Denver to Feds latest coampaign in Lancaster.

Rauf: 19.2 points 2.2 personal fouls per game
Feds: 19.3 points 1.9 fouls per game

As seen here they basically score at the same rate with a barrage of 3 pointers but are similarly low on fouls. This shows the lack of physicality involved in both of their games on the defensive end in an attempt to preserve their bodies for scoring. You see a lot of this with Damien Lillard in today's game.

08-09 Kevin Martin tallied 24.6 ppg and an inflated 2.3 personals.

Sorry Corp.

"Hooah"
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on April 27, 2017, 04:29:09 PM
Any truth to this Jule Brown transfer to NYU speculation?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on April 28, 2017, 11:26:32 AM
         I appreciate all the admiration I've received thus far for the service I put into the military.  Thank you.

     On the other hand, Not sure what that comment is supposed to mean @NEPAFAN but I don't appreciate the wise remarks.  Especially since the analysis and insight that I have delivered to this blog has been a major hit among many readers/subscribers that I know personally. 

     As far as the status of Jule Brown....knowing the history of claims made by @HopkinsNest7 if I were a betting man I think I would lean heavily on him returning to Carlisle in the fall.  Say he were to transfer, I could absolutely see him heading to the Big City lights in Lower Manhattan.  NYU is a fantastic institution with an array of possibilities for its students.  Not to mention its located in the middle of the best city in the world.  From what I hear the social life at NYU is top notch comparatively to other small D3 schools.  What student athlete wouldn't want to live that lifestyle?  But hey my guess is its all speculation.  Could a frustrated Jule have made a comment here or there that would lead a teammate to believe he isn't satisfied with the way the season ended?  Sure very possible, but just from knowing Jule through mutual connections, I don't think Jule would have shown his hand like that.

Final prediction of the week:John Hopkins will miss the playoffs this year......especially if they are in the Big Ten......


Corp. Out.










Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on April 29, 2017, 12:24:51 AM
CRAZE IS BACK!!

Corporal Hicks my dude you got too much time on your hands.  Not even me the craze has enough time to post all this.  I do appreciate the comparisons, most of which I agree with.  However, you need a new hobby.  Ever since I learned how to paint, my life has been so much more fulfilling.  My wife left me partly because I turned our garage into an art studio.  Alas, she had no place to keep her snowglobe connection.  Honestly, couldn't stand her or her dumb collection, so we are all better off.  I am upset she took Rocky, our beautiful husky, with her tho.  He seemed to really like my art.

Anyways, how has the JHU job not been filled yet?  Bad look for recruits.  Maybe the school feels that it doesn't matter since the reputation of the school is so high, but nobody has had a beer with Johnny Hopkins in a minute.  BET.  Anyhow, I think the Cent is going to be highly competitive this year.  Look for a strong bounce back year my Muhlenberg with the coaching upgrade as well as Haverford and JHU.  Never know what kind of spark a new coach might bring.  Can't wait to see what kind of recruits come in to the Conference this year.

Anyhow, see y'all in a tizzy.  Crazed and deranged.

CC88
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 29, 2017, 08:43:56 AM
Craze: Do we really need to hear about your marital failures?   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: USee on April 29, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
Regarding the JHU job, here was what was posted on Hoopdirt a few days ago:

I have heard that four on campus interviews have been scheduled so far at Johns Hopkins University. The names that I've heard are: Mike Blaine (Head Coach Medaille College – JHU alum),  Joe Burke (Head Coach Skidmore College), Dan Engelstad (Head Coach Southern Vermont College), and Josh Loeffler (Assistant Coach Loyola University Maryland). I have not heard a timeline of the interviews yet
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on April 29, 2017, 10:32:32 PM
I've been a long time fan of this blog until now.... Blasphemous. That's only word that I can think of to describe what has been going on in this blog recently. First things first, Corp thank you for your service. Much appreciated. Second, Craze sorry for the marital issues hope everything works out in the future. That being said, some of these claim are preposterous. JVG and Woodson going to Hopkins... what?? Recently talked with good friend Seretti and Brown will be staying put in Carlise. Brown and everybody else coming back make dickinson a favorite to make it to the finals again along with swat. Corp, I really like the comparisons. Although I don't agree with all of them 100 percent, you bring up some interesting comparisons that are rather intriguing. Your top teams make sense but I'm more interested to see who you have in the bottom half that have potential in the future. Perhaps Haverford could be compared to a team like Philly? Young but both are looking to make a push soon after two or three rebuilding years.

Love seeing action on the blog in late April before we even hit the court in mid October. Who doesn't love some bball and the Cent? HopkinsNest, Hopefully we see your posts to a minimum with the injury report but I'd like to see your team get Jon Scheyer if he's still interested in the job. Qualified coach with experience who can bring energy and excitement to the nest. I digress, GO WIZARDS and hopefully everybody is as amped and ready to go for the upcoming season as I am!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on April 30, 2017, 01:57:29 AM
         Corp heard from one of his sources that both Engelstad and Blaine submitted their name for the Mules job but their process was cut shortly after.  I remember Blaine when he was holding down the paint in Baltimore.  Anyone else miss the post duals between Hopkins's Blaine vs the Mule's Lesko?  Man oh man were those competitive battles of height, length, girth, and great feet.  With the Mule's Lesko, of course winning the majority of those battles by pure skill alone.  Lesko eventually went on to play professionally in Spain.  One of my guys in the eastern PA told me that Lesko is still in the Greater Allentown, Bethlehem, and Easton area and was spotted dominating the paint in the Local Tournament Of Champions(TOC) bracket which is held every year at Catasauqua Park.  All teams in tournament are winners of their own respective league.  Great to see "Cent" alums still looking to master their craft in their old age.  Oh it just seemed like yesterday........
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
I, too, love the traffic on this board of late. I'd love it even more if they were all different people, but alas, it seems like we're channeling 2005 on this board. One persona per person, please.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 30, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
I, too, love the traffic on this board of late. I'd love it even more if they were all different people, but alas, it seems like we're channeling 2005 on this board. One persona per person, please.

Ah, the good ol' days of '05.     ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 30, 2017, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 30, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
I, too, love the traffic on this board of late. I'd love it even more if they were all different people, but alas, it seems like we're channeling 2005 on this board. One persona per person, please.

Ah, the good ol' days of '05.     ;)

Not a bad year, Ursinus won the CC :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on April 30, 2017, 10:08:58 PM
       Not sure I understand the intended "jokes" above so I will look past them.  Oh man what a year 05 was for the Cent!
Man I remember watching as many Brandon Smith F&M games as possible.  I believe he averaged around 15.3-15.5 points per contest and about 7 rebounds each time he laced em up and took the floor on the notoriously hard to play at "Dip Zone".  Speaking of places to play, what is everyones favorite gyms in the Cent and even maybe some common out of conference gyms that we may have traveled to?

      I look forward to reading the feedback
Corp. Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 01, 2017, 08:44:27 AM
Corp.

I'd have to say the hardwood in Havertown is the toughest place for a team to play. They have their fans do this odd ritual throughout the game where they don't actually look at the court, just their notes and lap tops. It feels like the twllight.

Ironically that is the only court George bugaranovic failed to shoot 42% from the field in. He reasoned that the atmosphere reminded him of a CYO gym and he was slightly over weight back in those days. You never know the affect a vacant gym can have on the superstars.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 01, 2017, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
I, too, love the traffic on this board of late. I'd love it even more if they were all different people, but alas, it seems like we're channeling 2005 on this board. One persona per person, please.

Couldn't agree more Pat, let's keep it to one account per person and stick more to the basketball aspect instead of social life!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 01, 2017, 12:48:33 PM
      WEE OOO WEE OOO Grammar Police here!  @HopkinsNest7, I believe in your second paragraph in the third sentence you meant to use the word "effect" instead of what you used: Affect.  Simple, but a quite frequent mistake made among those of us who are removed many years from Academia. 

    Anyway, not sure Ive picked up on that scheme made by the Fords faithful.  Then again,  I don't usually go out of my way to get down to the mainline for a Fords game.  Of the places I travel to for Cent games the most, Id have to give the slight edge to the arena located in Westminster, Maryland.  The green terror have been terrorizing visiting opponents there for years.  Not sure what it is about that arena and atmosphere, but for some reason the often less talented green terror continue to give Centennial Top Dogs problems when they roll into Westminster.  I heard through one of my guys that the officiating is often frowned upon of those Maryland Officials.  Not sure that has anything to do with it but not a bad thought.  If I had to rank the arenas as toughest to play at from observation, it would look something like this

1.Westminster, Md
2. Lancaster, Pa
2b. Havetown, Pa (giving a fellow blogger the benefit of the doubt may come back to bite me in the behind, but hey I was feeling nice today.  You're welcome @HopkinsNest7)
3.Chestertown Md
4.Baltimore, Md
5. Allentown, Pa (Did anyone else catch any games in Allentown this year? I caught a few.  Talk about rowdy.  There was this huge Student/ recent graduate(Not sure) at a few that I caught and he was just relentlessly heckling opposing players/ coaches.  Couldn't imagine playing against that.  Surprised the Mules didn't win a few more of those ones, but thats a whole other story.
6. Swarthmore, Pa
7.Carlisle, Pa
8. Collegeville, Pa
9. Gettysburg, Pa

Notice how all 3 Maryland schools are highly ranked.  Maybe the theory on Maryland Officiating could actually come into play here?  I will let all of you decide for yourselves....

Corp. Out.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: USee on May 01, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: USee on April 29, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
Regarding the JHU job, here was what was posted on Hoopdirt a few days ago:

I have heard that four on campus interviews have been scheduled so far at Johns Hopkins University. The names that I've heard are: Mike Blaine (Head Coach Medaille College – JHU alum),  Joe Burke (Head Coach Skidmore College), Dan Engelstad (Head Coach Southern Vermont College), and Josh Loeffler (Assistant Coach Loyola University Maryland). I have not heard a timeline of the interviews yet

Update today on Hoopdirt on the JHU job:

I've talked about the search at Johns Hopkins a bunch of times over the past month. I can now confirm that an administrative staffer from a Pac-12 school, and a Patriot League assistant have interviewed. They join the four guys that I mentioned back on 4/24 as the coaches to receive on-campus interviews.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2017, 03:11:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
I, too, love the traffic on this board of late. I'd love it even more if they were all different people, but alas, it seems like we're channeling 2005 on this board. One persona per person, please.

I had been meaning to message you... something seemed a bit ... off. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2017, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: USee on May 01, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: USee on April 29, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
Regarding the JHU job, here was what was posted on Hoopdirt a few days ago:

I have heard that four on campus interviews have been scheduled so far at Johns Hopkins University. The names that I've heard are: Mike Blaine (Head Coach Medaille College – JHU alum),  Joe Burke (Head Coach Skidmore College), Dan Engelstad (Head Coach Southern Vermont College), and Josh Loeffler (Assistant Coach Loyola University Maryland). I have not heard a timeline of the interviews yet

Update today on Hoopdirt on the JHU job:

I've talked about the search at Johns Hopkins a bunch of times over the past month. I can now confirm that an administrative staffer from a Pac-12 school, and a Patriot League assistant have interviewed. They join the four guys that I mentioned back on 4/24 as the coaches to receive on-campus interviews.

Just an FYI... HoopDirt (who may be reading these boards) has been off and very late on this job search the entire way. I can tell you with plenty of information I have garnered that I am pretty sure those last two interviews were fall-backs in case things fell through.

I know the four main finalists... and I believe a decision will be made in the next 24-48 hours. I am quite sure the two front runners are from the group I am aware of... and that those two late interviews will have no affect. Wish I could say more, but having talked to a lot of people... I have promised to keep names quiet until the right time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 01, 2017, 03:22:32 PM
In this post, I want to make note of which non-returning player that each time will miss the most:

Franklin and Marshall, Hunter Eggers: He was a prolific scorer and a great shooter. After suffering an injury last season he came off the bench similar to what Grayson Allen did this year at Duke. He looked comfortable in that position and had a great end to his even better career. 

Ursinus, Matt Knoles: Floor general for the team and always put them in the position to win. Team first type of player, also a great leader.

Muhlenberg: Mules will equally miss their leading scorer in Brandon Larose and John Hunter. Larose was the iso player that the mules relied on in late game situations and although Hunter struggled on the offensive side at times, his defense was never lacking. Look for the mules to struggle without the leadership of their 2 most relied on seniors.

Haverford, Matt Sherman: Fords are basically screwed without Sherman, although he has been injured at times this past season he had a great career for the Fords.

Swat, Chris Bourne: They have enough returning players that they are still the favorite to win, but hurts losing a class act like Bourne.

Hopkins, Ryan Curran: This kid can rebound, score, assist and defend the ball. All-around great player and team leader. My thoughts is that he was one of the most underated players in the league and whoever gets that coaching job, would sure love to have him as their leader.

Gettysburg, Cody Kiefer: Go-to guy for the past 2 seasons, expect the bullets to struggle puting the ball in the basket this season.

Washington/McDaniel/Dickinson
Nothing worth mentioning
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 01, 2017, 04:52:45 PM
Hank: Your picks are pretty spot on. Scary thing is that Dickinson was left off because they only had one senior last year who didn't play till the second half of the year and even then, he did not see much time on the court... This is a team that made it to the finals and competed hard with the champs twice on their home court. (first in regular season and second in finals) They will be looking to make another run at the chip this year after bringing everybody back and you know Seretti will get them playing their best ball late in the season as he always does. Look for them to have a solid year once again. @Corp, maybe their success from late last year can draw in bigger crowds this year for a tougher home court?

Dave: Thanks for the update. Understandable you can't release any insider information right now but please update us when you can on the Hopkins position. I know @HopkinsNest will be very excited to see who takes the lead in Baltimore.

*Quick side note... Hopkins can get some very good turnouts in their gym that can get quite rowdy, but what happened with the playoff game this year??? Seemed as if nobody was there from watching it online and were talking about a freakin playoff game!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: USee on May 02, 2017, 12:30:26 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2017, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: USee on May 01, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: USee on April 29, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
Regarding the JHU job, here was what was posted on Hoopdirt a few days ago:

I have heard that four on campus interviews have been scheduled so far at Johns Hopkins University. The names that I've heard are: Mike Blaine (Head Coach Medaille College – JHU alum),  Joe Burke (Head Coach Skidmore College), Dan Engelstad (Head Coach Southern Vermont College), and Josh Loeffler (Assistant Coach Loyola University Maryland). I have not heard a timeline of the interviews yet

Update today on Hoopdirt on the JHU job:

I've talked about the search at Johns Hopkins a bunch of times over the past month. I can now confirm that an administrative staffer from a Pac-12 school, and a Patriot League assistant have interviewed. They join the four guys that I mentioned back on 4/24 as the coaches to receive on-campus interviews.

Just an FYI... HoopDirt (who may be reading these boards) has been off and very late on this job search the entire way. I can tell you with plenty of information I have garnered that I am pretty sure those last two interviews were fall-backs in case things fell through.

I know the four main finalists... and I believe a decision will be made in the next 24-48 hours. I am quite sure the two front runners are from the group I am aware of... and that those two late interviews will have no affect. Wish I could say more, but having talked to a lot of people... I have promised to keep names quiet until the right time.

I don't see how they are off or late. Just because you have inside information doesn't mean their information is off. All Hoopdirt said was that those last two received on campus interviews. You just confirmed that. How is that off?

This board has had no insights into the search and I haven't seen any other information anywhere so Hoopdirt is the only source I, as a complete outsider, am aware of.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 02, 2017, 08:32:11 AM
Jule Brown:

I've been very intrigued since I heard the rumor that Jule Brown is transferring to NYU so I decided to do some investigating myself. I had my Nephew explain and show me how to use the complicated website called "The Facebook.com" I don't know how familiar you bloggers are with this website but it allows you to contact people without having their email address so simply their name. Jule has not responded yet but once he confirms or denies this rumor I will share the response with the rest of the blog.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 02, 2017, 09:40:09 AM
Well men it's Tuesday so you know it's time for the weekly injury run down.

To everyone's disappointment I haven't picked up on any rumors swirling around the Cent. I've been playing quite a lot of basketball at the YMCA and think I have come down with what the players call a "rolled ankle"

So for a change of pace, I am today's injury report. A lot of the Hopkins grads stay around in the area and play pick up a few nights a week. Unfortunately I mishandled a pass from Matt Griffin (class of 2007) and aimlessly bounded into a bench out of bounds. The joints just ain't workin like they used to.

I feel old but not as old as Mardukas for just discovering Facebook.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 02, 2017, 04:49:28 PM
Jule Brown

Try Twitter.  Jule Brown to NYU.  His body language last season suggested that he was not happy at Dickinson.  Not a surprise that he is leaving Carlisle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 12:51:37 AM
        Gabriel the Tech Wizard to the rescue!!!! Thanks Gabe.  The Cent is on fire now!  Jule Brown on the move as I suspected.  Looked disinterested last year as many players made him look replaceable on the court.  I wonder what dickinson does lineup wise going into next season Im thinking with the current roster they go 1. Hinkley 2. Wright 3/4.  Romaki and Stenger 5. Melton.  Intriguing small ball lineup.  Id like to compare them to the 04-05 suns team.  Hinkley running the show as Nash.  High praise but Corp has a feeling about this young fella.  Wright as Joe Johnson.  Tough guard and good shot maker can come in clutch and make big shot potential.  Romaki as the Matrix sean marion.  Athletic wing who can defend multiple position cant shoot worth a lick but get to the rim with the best of em.  Stenger as Quentin Richardson.  Shooter to surround good playmakers with.  Melton as Stoudamire.  Maybe a little bit of an exaggeration but hey everyone can have an imagination right?  As far as the Hopkins job stands.... dont be surprised when Corp's info is right. 


Corp. Out
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 03, 2017, 06:39:19 AM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on April 24, 2017, 09:58:29 PM
Jule Brown has announced he will attend NYU next year


It's all fun and games until my inside info is correct 9 days in advanced.
BRING IN VAN GUNDY. GO JAYS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2017, 07:35:24 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on May 02, 2017, 04:49:28 PM
Jule Brown

Try Twitter.  Jule Brown to NYU.  His body language last season suggested that he was not happy at Dickinson.  Not a surprise that he is leaving Carlisle.

Dickinson was a backup school for him anyway, right?  I'm pretty sure he was set on Penn or one of the Ivies.  NYU will have a little more of that big-time feel, at least on campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 03, 2017, 09:56:31 AM
Jule was initially committed to Penn after a coaching change plans changed. He came and took a look at F&M but decided to enroll at Dickison. I don't think things have panned out for him the way he would have wished. Now with the new addition, Elijah Wright things may be going further south. He did seem unhappy numerous times this past season, so I could see him possibly moving on. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: USee on May 03, 2017, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2017, 07:35:24 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on May 02, 2017, 04:49:28 PM
Jule Brown

Try Twitter.  Jule Brown to NYU.  His body language last season suggested that he was not happy at Dickinson.  Not a surprise that he is leaving Carlisle.

Dickinson was a backup school for him anyway, right?  I'm pretty sure he was set on Penn or one of the Ivies.  NYU will have a little more of that big-time feel, at least on campus.

He had committed to Penn and then de-committed when they changed coaches 2 years ago. Though I think there was another reason than a coaching change that forced the decision.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
      I believe what happened was when they changed coaches, the new coach at UPenn decided to take his scholarship away.  Just what I heard when it happened.  Not sure how much truth to that but seems likely.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 03, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
Brown leaving doesn't surprise me at all. Didn't look himself at times last year and Dickinson wasn't his first choice. I have also received word that another Red Devil is most likely going to transfer and that's Corey Sherman. Must be a new trend with these Lower Merion kids... Kobe went a full career having to deal with jabronis such as Steve Blake, Dennis Rodman, Samaki Walker, Sasha Vujacic, Slava Medvedenko, Vladimir Radmanovic, Brian Cook, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown and he never bounced. I'm intrigued to see if the same thing can happen to another possible CC recruit from Lower Merion, Noah Fennell. Heard Fennell was receiving interest from g-rob and dips. @GoDiplomats have you heard anything on the recruitment of Fennell?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 03, 2017, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 03, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
Brown leaving doesn't surprise me at all. Didn't look himself at times last year and Dickinson wasn't his first choice. I have also received word that another Red Devil is most likely going to transfer and that's Corey Sherman. Must be a new trend with these Lower Merion kids... Kobe went a full career having to deal with jabronis such as Steve Blake, Dennis Rodman, Samaki Walker, Sasha Vujacic, Slava Medvedenko, Vladimir Radmanovic, Brian Cook, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown and he never bounced. I'm intrigued to see if the same thing can happen to another possible CC recruit from Lower Merion, Noah Fennell. Heard Fennell was receiving interest from g-rob and dips. @GoDiplomats have you heard anything on the recruitment of Fennell?

The team has been quiet on recruits thus far. Watched some film on Fennell, seems like he'd be a nice replacement for Hunter at the wing next year and then can probably move to the 1 as a Soph since Mike Rice doesn't seem like much of a talent. A backcourt of Tate, Fed, Fennell with a frontcourt of Sklya and McGrath could be really dangerous. Hopefully thats how it pans out or else I can sense some trouble for my Diplomats
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on May 03, 2017, 12:52:48 PM
I don't think Fennel is heading to F&M.  I haven't heard him mentioned as one of the 7 committed recruits.  Stoma is still on the roster, so it should be interesting to see what happens with Sylka and Stoma.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 03, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on May 03, 2017, 12:52:48 PM
I don't think Fennel is heading to F&M.  I haven't heard him mentioned as one of the 7 committed recruits.

Do you have any information on the already committed recruits @ReservedSeat
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 03, 2017, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on May 03, 2017, 12:52:48 PM
I don't think Fennel is heading to F&M.  I haven't heard him mentioned as one of the 7 committed recruits.  Stoma is still on the roster, so it should be interesting to see what happens with Sylka and Stoma.

Heard rumors from numerous individuals on the team and related to the team that Stoma may be finished at F&M because of too many concussions. I'm pulling for a return he is a heck of a player and proved to be a great talent in his shortened freshman year. If he is able to come back F&M would have a lot of options. I'm concerned about Fed trying to carry the team alone next year, along with Tate lingering injury history. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: USee on May 04, 2017, 01:04:58 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
      I believe what happened was when they changed coaches, the new coach at UPenn decided to take his scholarship away.  Just what I heard when it happened.  Not sure how much truth to that but seems likely.

Not possible. First of all there are no athletic scholarships in the Ivy League. Second, Jule Brown would have received a "likely" letter (basically a guarantee for admission) from admissions under Jerome Allen (previous coach) and Steve Donahue (new coach) could not take that away. The reasons he decomitted had nothing to do with Penn.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 04, 2017, 08:58:42 AM
It has everything to do with Penn, they hired a new coach who didn't want him. Logically thinking no one would willingly go log 4 years in Carlisle with an option to go to UPenn on the table. Get your facts straight
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: USee on May 04, 2017, 09:37:25 AM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 04, 2017, 08:58:42 AM
It has everything to do with Penn, they hired a new coach who didn't want him. Logically thinking no one would willingly go log 4 years in Carlisle with an option to go to UPenn on the table. Get your facts straight

If that were true I would agree but that's not the case. I am pretty certain about my facts. The new coach's decisions had nothing to do with him not attending Penn.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 04, 2017, 11:07:06 AM
         Well ya see here @USee.... That is the case.  Thats what I meant to say.  Coach didn't want him he got the message and decided to fall back on a school where he could play.  Thank you @HopkinsNest7 for having my six.  Hooah!

Corp. Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: USee on May 04, 2017, 11:25:10 AM
Steve Donahue is not the reason Jule Brown is not at Penn. I am pretty comfortable with that statement.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 04, 2017, 11:53:24 AM
Quote from: USee on May 04, 2017, 11:25:10 AM
Steve Donahue is not the reason Jule Brown is not at Penn. I am pretty comfortable with that statement.

You may need to retract that statement. I have it on good authority from a solid source that Steve Donahue decided they could not guarantee Brown's scholarship once he took over as coach. That is a fairly common thing during coaching changes.

Per Hopkins: announcement on the new men's coach coming shortly. I know it may surprise people. Watch my twitter account today (@d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville)).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: USee on May 04, 2017, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 04, 2017, 11:53:24 AM
Quote from: USee on May 04, 2017, 11:25:10 AM
Steve Donahue is not the reason Jule Brown is not at Penn. I am pretty comfortable with that statement.

You may need to retract that statement. I have it on good authority from a solid source that Steve Donahue decided they could not guarantee Brown's scholarship once he took over as coach. That is a fairly common thing during coaching changes.


I stand by my statement
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 04, 2017, 12:05:46 PM
Correct - scholarships don't exist.. but my source who is pretty close says Brown's opportunity was not guaranteed anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 04, 2017, 02:00:18 PM
Here is the Hopkins news: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/05/loeffler-returns-to-d3
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 05, 2017, 02:20:25 PM
Thank you Dave.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 05, 2017, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 04, 2017, 02:00:18 PM
Here is the Hopkins news: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/05/loeffler-returns-to-d3

Dave: is this Loeffler related to Ken Loeffler, BB coach at LaSalle (he coached the late Tom Gola) and Texas A&M back in the 50s? [Kindly excuse me for showing my age by posing that question.  ::)]
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on May 06, 2017, 08:36:36 AM
loeffler is a good fit at hopkins and will do well. i met him when he was at stevens in new jersey...smart, knows the game, good recruiter. went to swarthmore. a good choice for the conference. congrats to them and him!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 06, 2017, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 05, 2017, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 04, 2017, 02:00:18 PM
Here is the Hopkins news: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/05/loeffler-returns-to-d3

Dave: is this Loeffler related to Ken Loeffler, BB coach at LaSalle (he coached the late Tom Gola) and Texas A&M back in the 50s? [Kindly excuse me for showing my age by posing that question.  ::)]

I am not sure to be honest. Never looked that far into his roots. Certainly can ask him next time I chat with him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 07, 2017, 07:15:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 06, 2017, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 05, 2017, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 04, 2017, 02:00:18 PM
Here is the Hopkins news: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/05/loeffler-returns-to-d3

Dave: is this Loeffler related to Ken Loeffler, BB coach at LaSalle (he coached the late Tom Gola) and Texas A&M back in the 50s? [Kindly excuse me for showing my age by posing that question.  ::)]

I am not sure to be honest. Never looked that far into his roots. Certainly can ask him next time I chat with him.

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 08, 2017, 10:18:02 AM
Small world we live in these days, turns out my niece's new boyfriend who I met for the first time over the weekend is a former "employee of athletics" at Muhlenberg. Although he no longer works there he is a huge fan of Muhlenberg sports and I attempted him to get him to join the blog but he claims "blogging is for Grandpas". We struck up a conversation about the future of Mules Basketball and how the City of Allentown is reacting to the hire of Coach Hopkins. He proceeded to tell me that starting point guard Kevin Miller won't be returning to the team this upcoming season. Reasons for this decision are undisclosed but my assumption is that he disagreed with the firing of former Mules Coach Scoot McClary and feels that sitting out this upcoming season will get his point across (similar to what Colin Kaepernick did during the National Anthem this season.) I think the question everybody is asking is are more Mules going to follow the powerful statement made by Miller and join him in this peaceful protest. Remember the chronological timeline of "taking the knee" this season in the NFL. Slowly but surely more players started to take a knee during the National Anthem which I predict will happen to the Mules Basketball team. I can easily see more Mules hanging up their jerseys in protest to the inevitable fate that Coach McClary couldn't escape. I consider miller to be a bit of a "Trail Blazer" leading the way and making sure his voice is heard.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 08, 2017, 10:49:59 AM
Product of a kid who wasn't very good and coach couldn't get the most out of him. No loss for the Mules here as here tended to be a cancer to the team from what it looks like. @Hank you really bring up a good point about if it was due to the resignation of McClary or if it had to involve some other factor. Mules team will definitely look different next year and look for improvement out of a kid like Owen McCloud. Very talented player who could use a bit of new coaching that can hopefully lead to some success for the Somerset standout.

Any news on the Haverford hiring? If the McClary claims about him being an applicant are true, maybe we can see a transfer out of Miller from the Mules to the Fords.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 08, 2017, 12:23:11 PM
Hank-

Surprised to hear of Miller's departure and his level of loyalty to Scott McClary. Do you know of any other players not returning to the team next year? I would imagine a player of Miller's influence would not fly solo here. Would be interesting to see an overhaul of former Mules to Havertown.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 08, 2017, 02:47:26 PM
In Response to Hopkins Nests Question:

I don't know any specific players leaving but I can tell you whose departure would hurt the Mules the most. If the German-born Wareheim decided to go back to the motherland the Mules will be in great trouble. I did hear that McClary visited Wareheim in Germany when he was recruiting him so I assume they had a strong relationship. I could also see Ryan Gaynor leaving the program. Most bloggers probably don't know his name but he was originally committed to DII St. Thomas Aquinas but was persuaded by McClary to change his mind and become a Mule. Unfortunately, he suffered from an ingrown toenail this season and never really got the opportunity to show what he can do. Really hope he stays, looking forward to watching him play this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 08, 2017, 03:11:03 PM
Miller won't be the only one leaving Muhlenberg... but I am glad the administration listened to the bloggers on this site to get rid of an alum who worked for the school for over 17 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 08, 2017, 04:14:04 PM
in regards to Mardukas' insight it pains me to agree with him for once. Gaynor played some garbage time while he was down here in the nest and I was impressed. a Legit 6'4 or 6'5 swingman with a good feel for the game and silky smooth jump shot. I could see why he would have been on the radar of division 2 schools, it seems that McClary had the misfortune of his injury as he suffered by ultimately getting axed. It's interesting to hear that McClary went out to Germany to acquire Werheim, he was on the radar of Hopkins for some time but Nelson could never seem to make any progress on the big guy. I wonder if he was weighing European options to the Mules, if so... impressive snatch for McClary.

Monix: while i see you are a passionate Mules fan i believe it would be naive to think that McClary got fired due to an anonymous public forum. The Mules were wildly inconsistent though talented as they have beaten the Jays in close games up at the barn in each of the last 2 seasons only to get beaten in Baltimore. Beaten is not even the word, both games were over mid way through the first half. This makes me think there was a divided locker room because when things were bad for the Mules they were horrible. Miller going to Haverford could cause a couple of other guys to consider making the jump to the main line.

Here how I think Miller's departure will effect the rest of the conference:

Mules clearly depleted without their go to floor general and may experience growing pains in the inaugural year of Kevin Hopkins.

Dickinson lost Corey Sherman as Coach Hopkins is already becoming a controversial figure in the Centennial by basically creating free agency. How else could a new coach land a player from Kobe Bryants high school (Lower Merion) to bolt up his back court while he figures out the future. Look for the Mules to do more of this in the future. Miller leaving Muhlenberg could create a precident not yet seen in division 3 hoops: players jumping ship for broader horizons.

Haverford could have an easier time finding a coach now that they are walking into a scenario with a veteran point guard at the helm for a year. This kind of reminds me of those dulled down jason Kidd years on the Knicks, while he was slowed by age and injury, he stood as a glue guy in the locker room and a workout addict. Miller showed this at Muhlenberg by instilling playing hard and hustling to make up for what may have been a talent gap between him and the likes of Cam Wiley.

Ultimately the Mules will remain a wild card as usual. If Werheim decides to stay in the states it at least gives the team potential but an uncertain future is dangerous for Kevin Hopkins. Maybe freshly signed Corey Sherman can use his championship game experience to set the tone early in the pre season for Muhlenberg. It will be interesting to see who will take assistant coaches Dawud Abdur Rahkman and Tom Mossers places. Hopkins is yet to name assistants but those guys went to war with McClary for years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 08, 2017, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 08, 2017, 04:14:04 PM
in regards to Mardukas' insight it pains me to agree with him for once. Gaynor played some garbage time while he was down here in the nest and I was impressed. a Legit 6'4 or 6'5 swingman with a good feel for the game and silky smooth jump shot. I could see why he would have been on the radar of division 2 schools, it seems that McClary had the misfortune of his injury as he suffered by ultimately getting axed. It's interesting to hear that McClary went out to Germany to acquire Werheim, he was on the radar of Hopkins for some time but Nelson could never seem to make any progress on the big guy. I wonder if he was weighing European options to the Mules, if so... impressive snatch for McClary.

Monix: while i see you are a passionate Mules fan i believe it would be naive to think that McClary got fired due to an anonymous public forum. The Mules were wildly inconsistent though talented as they have beaten the Jays in close games up at the barn in each of the last 2 seasons only to get beaten in Baltimore. Beaten is not even the word, both games were over mid way through the first half. This makes me think there was a divided locker room because when things were bad for the Mules they were horrible. Miller going to Haverford could cause a couple of other guys to consider making the jump to the main line.

Here how I think Miller's departure will effect the rest of the conference:

Mules clearly depleted without their go to floor general and may experience growing pains in the inaugural year of Kevin Hopkins.

Dickinson lost Corey Sherman as Coach Hopkins is already becoming a controversial figure in the Centennial by basically creating free agency. How else could a new coach land a player from Kobe Bryants high school (Lower Merion) to bolt up his back court while he figures out the future. Look for the Mules to do more of this in the future. Miller leaving Muhlenberg could create a precident not yet seen in division 3 hoops: players jumping ship for broader horizons.

Haverford could have an easier time finding a coach now that they are walking into a scenario with a veteran point guard at the helm for a year. This kind of reminds me of those dulled down jason Kidd years on the Knicks, while he was slowed by age and injury, he stood as a glue guy in the locker room and a workout addict. Miller showed this at Muhlenberg by instilling playing hard and hustling to make up for what may have been a talent gap between him and the likes of Cam Wiley.

Ultimately the Mules will remain a wild card as usual. If Werheim decides to stay in the states it at least gives the team potential but an uncertain future is dangerous for Kevin Hopkins. Maybe freshly signed Corey Sherman can use his championship game experience to set the tone early in the preseason for Muhlenberg. It will be interesting to see who will take assistant coaches Dawud Abdur Rahkman and Tom Mossers places. Hopkins is yet to name assistants but those guys went to war with McClary for years.


I'm beyond confused on the perceived impact of the loss of Kevin Miller and its effect on the Mules. He was a career 1.3 PPG, 1.7 AST, 1.3 STL per game player. Those numbers don't read as impressive stats at any level for a PG. I think with ball dominate LaRose gone with graduation, added talent in Sherman and whatever freshman are brought in, along with the absence of an ineffective player like Miller starting at PG the Mules should definitely see an improvement in their record. Mules have to get past their mental deficiencies, which I think  Hopkins would hopefully bring.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 08, 2017, 05:10:41 PM
GoDiplomats: Couldn't agree more and you know very well that Miller struggled against top teams like the Dips themselves.

HopkinsNest: I think your miller-kidd comparison is a stretch for the "emotional leader" of the Mules. Look no further than last seasons stats where he posted a solid 23,26,50 (three%,fg%,ft%) stat line.

Monix: Preposterous.... A coach getting fired because of a blog?? There is definitely some ethical issues going on if that were to be the case.

Hank: Gaynor should help this year with a full year to recover and a new staff. Coming out of high school he reminded me a lot of former Mules player Alec Stavetski who had a solid career with the Mules before injuries plagued him. Key to the success for the Mules though will lie in keeping the big German.

McClary's elite recruiting ability could also lead to Kaslander and English making the move to the fords if were throwing out other cent players possibly looking to make the switch. Kaslander can really play and would add a nice dimension to the fords on the mainline.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 05:17:10 PM
      Hooah!  Corporal Hicks here.  I have been absent as of late from the blog due to the exhilarating NBA playoffs....NOT.  I have actually been absent due to some health problems.  Late last week I stubbed my toe while grilling up a couple sirloin steaks.  Tip: don't wear open toe shoes while operating heavy equipment. 

As for the speculations rumbling around about Miller leaving the mules.....Corp thinks it will be a huge loss for Muhlenberg.  @GoDiplomats Miller brings a lot more to the table than what the statistics say.  Numbers don't tell the whole story not even close.  Miller was regarded as a great locker room guy and a winner.  The last few seasons don't paint the whole picture for Millers game.  From the sources I have in the greater allentown area they all spoke highly on Miller.  The kid was Mr.  Athletics in high school up in North East Pa at Honesdale high school.  He was a thousand point scorer on the hardwood, batted .461 with 4HRs on the diamond, and threw for 24 TDs on 2,863 yards (all public information).  If that doesn't scream "Winner, Glue guy, leader, locker room guy" then I don't know.  Haverford would be lucky to get a guy like Miller while they are as well in a transition year.  Sorry @GoDipplomats but I have to say that numbers don't tell the whole story. 

@HopkinsNest7 I like your idea of the Centennial incorporating free agency into the league.  I think it could spice things up a bit and possibly create new rivalries.  Not sure the signing of Sherman is the answer for the Mules.  If the German born Werheim is indeed going back to the homeland, the Mules should acquire another big to go along with the girthy Baez. If Haverford would sign Miller that would be a huge off season landing, and would be the biggest off season move since Nash left the Mavericks in the summer of 2004.  Relatively speaking of course.  Man oh man what fun this Centennial free agency could be.....

Corp. Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 08, 2017, 05:21:11 PM
GoDimplomats:
You are a strawman, for those of you who don't know what a strawman is, it is somebody who twists what you say because it is easier for them to make an argument in response because in actuality they have nothing worth reading to respond with. I never stated that Miller himself will have a significant impact on them team (because it won't.) What I am saying is that he was considered a leader on the team and I believe other players could follow Miller and leave the program.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
So when the three of you post in succession like that, are you all using the same computer or what?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 08, 2017, 09:45:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
So when the three of you post in succession like that, are you all using the same computer or what?

Pat, I am one and posted on my own. I had no control over the succeeding posts to mine. I intend to discuss the cent news and stories as a follower and fan of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 08, 2017, 10:02:58 PM
Speaking of NEWS.... I have heard from my buddy Lou in A-town that 6'7" stretch 4 Sam McClellan is not returning either. He said he hasn't heard about any other fellow Mules following in the footstep of Miller and now McClellan, another possible player to add to the Fords! Not sure what the reasoning was for it but this hurts a team that is already limited at the big position. Coach Hopkins really needs to keep the big German now or it could be a long year for the Mules.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 09, 2017, 08:29:50 AM
Not a good sign that Hopkins was hired over 3 weeks ago and didn't have an assistant ready to be on the road the past 2 weekends of the LIVE recruiting period....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 09, 2017, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 08, 2017, 10:02:58 PM
Speaking of NEWS.... I have heard from my buddy Lou in A-town that 6'7" stretch 4 Sam McClellan is not returning either. He said he hasn't heard about any other fellow Mules following in the footstep of Miller and now McClellan, another possible player to add to the Fords! Not sure what the reasoning was for it but this hurts a team that is already limited at the big position. Coach Hopkins really needs to keep the big German now or it could be a long year for the Mules.

Maybe something else to consider or make note of with all these departures from the Muhlenberg camp, is the players who are leaving are concerned that they shouldn't have been on the team in the first place. McClellan, like Miller, may have been a very good locker room presence but nonetheless and ineffective player on the court. At the end of the day, the most important thing is the W - L column if you're not getting results with WINS, who cares if you're a solid locker room presence.

@Corporal Hicks: Leader, Glue Guy, etc or whatever other qualities you may want to use. As a player on the court, Miller was largely ineffective especially against some of the higher tier teams in the conference. Coming from the F&M program, similar guys in the mold of a Miller would not have touched the court at all. Go back in Diplomat history and look at guys like Max Brewer, Lior Levy all great guys who were great character guys but couldn't find their way onto the court unless it was called for out of necessity or in garbage time, with Brewer's senior year being the one exception. If you are not producing you do not need to be on the court, POINT BLANK.

@Hank: I guess I have no problem being a "strawman", since you argument was completely debunked. Just like he may have been a "leader" on or for the team, with a new class coming in and a new group of seniors and upperclassmen a new leader can easily be found. With a new head coach as well, I definitely think that is what is needed to help the Mules get back on the train tracks after having been off for a few years now. Last time I can recall them being any good was when Malik Killings was still a member of the team some years ago.

Lastly, where are these speculations of McClary to the Fords coming from? Has he interviewed? Any legitimacy to these statements or is this all just speculation?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 09, 2017, 09:40:07 AM
maybe the AD will hold Hopkins hand through hiring an assistant as he held his hand through the interview process....nothing from hoopdog?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 09, 2017, 09:46:13 AM
From just my brief observations down here in Baltimore I would have to say for what Miller brought in leadership, McClellan offset and could even be seen as a cancer to the already suffering Mules. The Mules had allegedly ate at the Hopkins dining hall this year and apparently McClellan had flipped over a breakfast buffet tab;e in displeasure with the quality of the food. Seems like he may have some character flaws that need to be addressed. It will be interesting to see if he joins the likes of Miller, Kaslander and English in jumping to Haverford. Though it may be meaningless if he becomes unhinged... no coach has time for that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 09, 2017, 09:54:48 AM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 09, 2017, 09:40:07 AM
maybe the AD will hold Hopkins hand through hiring an assistant as he held his hand through the interview process....nothing from hoopdog?

hoopdog?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 09, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
All,

I have nothing against Kevin Hopkins. I have a HUGE problem with the AD. Sorry for not being optimistic about Kevin Hopkins but below is the last 3 hiring by the AD and what they have done in conference...

Lacrosse 0-16 (2 seasons in CC)
Baseball 38 - 51 (5 seasons in CC)
Wrestling 4-18 (3 seasons in CC)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 09, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
I'm sorry his new hire for softball this season went 6-12 as well
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 09, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 09, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
I'm sorry his new hire for softball this season went 6-12 as well

It seems only fair that these coaches will also be cleaning out their offices like McClary did. Do you think this will happen?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 09, 2017, 12:56:00 PM
no because McClary wasn't a Corey Goff hire... you can tell by his winning records as a head coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 09, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
Monix: I assume you were a fan of McClary like many people on this blog. I was wondering if you know if he is actually a candidate for the Haverford job. I have seen multiple people post about this on the blog but I haven't heard anything from my reputable sources.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
So when the three of you post in succession like that, are you all using the same computer or what?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 10, 2017, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
So when the three of you post in succession like that, are you all using the same computer or what?
Hooah! I suspect Hicks and Red are in cahutz with Mardukas!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 10:58:08 PM
              Hooah!  Wise remarks aren"t appreciated on this forum @HopkinsNest7.  Not that it bothers me, but I'd rather talk about the Crazy Cent rather than playing Sherlock Holmes. 

             My ties to Havertown, down on the ole mainline have told me that they hired Lafayette assistant Pat Doherty.  Not sure that this has broken news yet or not but I haven't seen anything about it and I figured I'd do the kind gesture of letting my fellow colleagues know first.   Doherty wanted the Muhlenberg job from what I heard from a guy I know in the Lehigh Valley.  Good first head job for Doherty if this is true.  Knows the high academic style and I think a young fresh exciting coach could work out well.  Will they catch their rivals down the road?  My take is that they wont as long as Kosmalski is manning the sidelines. 

Corp. Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 11, 2017, 09:37:47 AM
We dont have multiple personalities posting on the Landmark.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 11, 2017, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 11, 2017, 09:37:47 AM
We dont have multiple personalities posting on the Landmark.

^Weird Brag
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 11, 2017, 04:16:39 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
So when the three of you post in succession like that, are you all using the same computer or what?

Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 10, 2017, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
So when the three of you post in succession like that, are you all using the same computer or what?
Hooah! I suspect Hicks and Red are in cahutz with Mardukas!

Or when two of "you" post in succession, it's like you forgot to log out of one account before logging into the next. Uh huh.

Pick which name you'd like to use and stick with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 08:57:02 PM
           Hooah!  Corporal Hicks here.  Again not sure what the above content is all about so I will ignore and continue on with my facts and knowledge.  I have some information that I heard from a guy in Carlisle today. 

News: 1.  Corey Sherman(younger brother of Fords Matt Sherman) Has transferred to Muhlenberg.  His jeep was seen driving with a Muhlenberg basketball sticker on the back.  His mom went to Muhlenberg but she was no ball player. 

2.  Jule Brown has officially transferred to NYU.  My same guy in Carlisle was telling me that his old friend in Manhattan had recently seen Jule while he was visiting NYU and while my wierd buddy was scoping out the women. 

Corp. Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2017, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 08:57:02 PM
Corporal Hicks here.  Again not sure what the above content is all about so I will ignore and continue on with my facts and knowledge.

Well, the rest of us know what it means. It means you and HopkinsNest are the same person and you're kind of sloppy about logging out and logging back in with your other name.

It's actually against the Terms of Service to have multiple usernames.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 14, 2017, 12:30:02 PM
 Party-
Unfortunately that would mean the rest of you are wrong. Myself and hicks have conflicting views on a number of the larger issues pertaining to the Cent.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2017, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 14, 2017, 12:30:02 PM
Party-
Unfortunately that would mean the rest of you are wrong. Myself and hicks have conflicting views on a number of the larger issues pertaining to the Cent.

Your multiple personalities are your problem to deal with. You post from the same IP address and as I pointed out, the same machine, considering you forgot to log out Corporal Hicks before posting on May 11.

Not my first go-around -- after literally 18 years managing this message board, I've seen the tricks of the trade a few times.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 14, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
Pat with all due respect, at least check out that unfiltered blogger Hank Mardukas before floating these wild claims around.

Warren- I've had enough of your snarky comments.

As a result of my aggravation I will officially stop posting my weekly injury report.

Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 14, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
Pat with all due respect, at least check out that unfiltered blogger Hank Mardukas before floating these wild claims around.

We know. But thanks for outing another self. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 15, 2017, 12:44:47 PM
SMH ...  ::)

Nothing like making this "blog" (who calls these messages boards a blog anyway) anything but interesting to read.

I actually wish we went back to earlier when it was the trusted people who posted... not those with a ton of time on their hands and multiple personalities.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on May 15, 2017, 05:00:19 PM
Sounds like a lot of fake news >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on May 16, 2017, 11:32:46 AM
Well this got pretty crazy very quickly. Johns Hopkins hiring is a steal. The guy can flat out coach. Maybe we can get back to normal.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 16, 2017, 01:02:23 PM
Hoop Dirt: 'Interviews are under way to fill the vacant assistant spot on new head coach Kevin Hopkins staff at DIII Muhlenberg College. I have heard that phone interviews have started with 8-12 candidates."

Sounds like a guy who has ZERO connections in the mid atlantic and is just a puppet for Corey Goff
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 16, 2017, 02:36:08 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 16, 2017, 01:02:23 PM
Hoop Dirt: 'Interviews are under way to fill the vacant assistant spot on new head coach Kevin Hopkins staff at DIII Muhlenberg College. I have heard that phone interviews have started with 8-12 candidates."

Sounds like a guy who has ZERO connections in the mid atlantic and is just a puppet for Corey Goff

Or... like all coaches who take over a program... he is going through a long list of applicants interested in an assistant job like Muhlenberg's. Do you think Loeffler isn't doing the same thing at Hopkins?

Ridiculous to try and make this some type of "zero connections" thing. Relax Muhlenberg people.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 16, 2017, 03:41:06 PM
Loeffler has the resources to hire a FULL time assistant. Hopkins has to hire someone who will be working for less than 2 thousand dollars. Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 16, 2017, 04:04:39 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 16, 2017, 03:41:06 PM
Loeffler has the resources to hire a FULL time assistant. Hopkins has to hire someone who will be working for less than 2 thousand dollars. Good luck!

So what is your point? You lament he probably doesn't have any connections since he is calling many people to find assistants... yet seem to give him a very good excuse for why he may have trouble finding assistants (even if he had connections).

And sure, Loeffler has a full-time assistant opportunity, but that is less and less uncommon these days. Heck, I believe Wilkes, for example, has a full-time position!

So are you trying to knock Hopkins (the coach) because he is making calls to find his staff or are you understanding that he needs to work at this because there isn't much money to be offered for such a position? I am pretty sure you can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 16, 2017, 04:34:34 PM
I am knocking Hopkins because in order to win in college basketball you have to recruit. To recruit you must have connections to hire a staff. He has had the job for a month now and zero assistant has been on the road during important LIVE tournaments. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 16, 2017, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 16, 2017, 04:34:34 PM
I am knocking Hopkins because in order to win in college basketball you have to recruit. To recruit you must have connections to hire a staff. He has had the job for a month now and zero assistant has been on the road during important LIVE tournaments.

There is always a chance he is on the road. While I know assistants are invaluable for these tournaments, I can't tell you how many coaches I talk to year round say they are the ones at these events... more than the assistants who they know they rely on for the heavy lifting in-season.

Sure, it would be nice to have an assistant or two to help with the load or hit a tournament a coach can't, but it isn't like these players aren't going to be at a ton of these events throughout the "season."

Also, take what you read on HoopDirt lightly. He didn't even know Hopkins was in the finalist list until he was basically announced as head coach. Not all the info he gets is (a) fully accurate, (b) totally vetted, or (c) the entire story. Maybe Hopkins already has another coach out there helping out and this search is for another position. Heck, Hopkins could have several people helping him and I am pretty sure HoopDirt and others wouldn't "report" it. HoopDirt (who reads these pages, so hello!) is just repeating what he hears... but that doesn't mean he has heard everything.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on May 16, 2017, 05:01:11 PM
Monix - The hostility towards Hopkins is disappointing.  I know you are disappointed with the decision to let go of McClary, but that should have no bearing on Hopkins.  I'm sure Amherst has an extended coaching family (including the head coach at TCNJ) who I'm sure could be helping Hopkins in some capacity.  You have to at least give the guy a chance.  Besides, a national champion as a player and an assistant is about as good as a resume you are going to find. I, for one, think that the Mules have some talented players on the roster (Rindock and Baez) and a lot of other pieces that, with proper schematics, could yield a successful team this year.  I hope that Hopkins is able to succeed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 17, 2017, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: CentCraze88 on May 16, 2017, 05:01:11 PM
Monix - The hostility towards Hopkins is disappointing.  I know you are disappointed with the decision to let go of McClary, but that should have no bearing on Hopkins.  I'm sure Amherst has an extended coaching family (including the head coach at TCNJ) who I'm sure could be helping Hopkins in some capacity.  You have to at least give the guy a chance.  Besides, a national champion as a player and an assistant is about as good as a resume you are going to find. I, for one, think that the Mules have some talented players on the roster (Rindock and Baez) and a lot of other pieces that, with proper schematics, could yield a successful team this year.  I hope that Hopkins is able to succeed.

CentCraze:
What are you smoking???? Monix could not be more spot on, Division III teams only have the live period of players Junior season to recruit and Muhlenberg has nobody at these events. Although Muhlenberg has connections with many of these Live Tournaments (HoopGroup) including former assistant coaches Ryan Finch and Joe Gutowski, they are not at these events on behalf of the Mules. Maybe the Mules are paying a guy like Gutowski to recruit under the table and if that's the case I expect a full-scale NCAA investigation. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on May 17, 2017, 05:22:01 PM
Mardukas/Hopkins/Hicks

Nice to see you again "Hank".  While you may be right about the live periods, Monix has been unfairly critical of Hopkins from the get-go.  Continuing to pile it on seems a tad overboard. Although you wouldn't know what overboard is since you have at least four accounts.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 17, 2017, 05:47:12 PM
I remember Finch had spent a good couple of years at Muhlenberg, I also remember him playing at McDaniel so it makes sense why that name could even possibly arise. But I don't remember Gutowski coaching at Muhlenberg. Assuming he's a young guy I would say going under the table at these loaded live events is certainly not worth the risk. Were his ties to the program strong enough to take that chance?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on May 18, 2017, 01:44:20 AM
this place has gotten unnecessarily negative, provocative and silly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 18, 2017, 09:32:33 AM
This board became that way over a year ago when parents decided to use this forum as a place to bash a coach enough for him to be fired....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 18, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
There is ZERO former assistants, alumni or anyone helping the Mules under the table. Corey Goff destroyed all those relationships.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on May 19, 2017, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 18, 2017, 09:32:33 AM
This board became that way over a year ago when parents decided to use this forum as a place to bash a coach enough for him to be fired....

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that anonymously named posts on this message board had no influence on that ...

Now, could people lobbying the school or AD directly have that kind of influence? Definitely possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Your wrong
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2017, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Your wrong

His wrong what?

Seriously -- nobody administrator is going to be wooed by people hiding behind vague user handles.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 12:22:55 PM
Well you haven't met Corey Goff then
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 19, 2017, 01:23:12 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Your wrong

I've started to pretty much nail down who you are, thanks to some "friends", so I am confident in saying that you are just grinding an axe because you liked Scott. Heck, I liked Scott, but I know I wasn't as close as you were.

Could a parent have come on these boards and complained and then we make a line to Scott being fired? Sure. But that is not because the parent posted on these boards... because that parent and others were complaining elsewhere.

There is no truth that a parent, or anyone, complaining on these boards is influencing ADs or others to make personel decisions - even if they read these boards. I suspect you are putting together that parents complaints to administration lead to Scott's firing... and because those parents also complained here that because they complained here then complaining here lead to the firing. No chance. Their complaints to administration lead to the firing (if that is the reason)... not because they posted here.

Monix, you may not like that Scott is gone and we all understand that point... but to attack his replacement is completely useless. If you want the program to succeed, support the replacement. It isn't their fault Scott was fired. Don't take your frustrations out on Hopkins. If you have problems, talk to administration and leave Hopkins out of it ... especially since he hasn't even gotten into his first season.

BTW - people need to clarify the term "juniors" when discussing recruiting. There was a time juniors weren't allowed to be even looked at in Division III. A few years ago that was changed starting in January of their junior years. Now, a student is classified as of when they finish their previous year. So if there are "rising" juniors in events right now, they can't be recruited by Division III coaches. If there are juniors who are now "rising" seniors - they are considered seniors and can be recruited.

And I have been told by those in contact with Hopkins that he has been at events recruiting much of the last three weeks. I trust my sources on that and I think assuming Hopkins isn't out there trying to better the program is an asinine assumption.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on May 19, 2017, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 19, 2017, 01:23:12 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Your wrong

I've started to pretty much nail down who you are, thanks to some "friends", so I am confident in saying that you are just grinding an axe because you liked Scott. Heck, I liked Scott, but I know I wasn't as close as you were.

Could a parent have come on these boards and complained and then we make a line to Scott being fired? Sure. But that is not because the parent posted on these boards... because that parent and others were complaining elsewhere.

There is no truth that a parent, or anyone, complaining on these boards is influencing ADs or others to make personel decisions - even if they read these boards. I suspect you are putting together that parents complaints to administration lead to Scott's firing... and because those parents also complained here that because they complained here then complaining here lead to the firing. No chance. Their complaints to administration lead to the firing (if that is the reason)... not because they posted here.

Monix, you may not like that Scott is gone and we all understand that point... but to attack his replacement is completely useless. If you want the program to succeed, support the replacement. It isn't their fault Scott was fired. Don't take your frustrations out on Hopkins. If you have problems, talk to administration and leave Hopkins out of it ... especially since he hasn't even gotten into his first season.

BTW - people need to clarify the term "juniors" when discussing recruiting. There was a time juniors weren't allowed to be even looked at in Division III. A few years ago that was changed starting in January of their junior years. Now, a student is classified as of when they finish their previous year. So if there are "rising" juniors in events right now, they can't be recruited by Division III coaches. If there are juniors who are now "rising" seniors - they are considered seniors and can be recruited.

And I have been told by those in contact with Hopkins that he has been at events recruiting much of the last three weeks. I trust my sources on that and I think assuming Hopkins isn't out there trying to better the program is an asinine assumption.

Well, they can be recruited from a distance but there can't be face-to face contact til they finish their sophomore school class year(sometime in mid-June, usually.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2017, 02:20:47 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 19, 2017, 01:23:12 PM
Could a parent have come on these boards and complained and then we make a line to Scott being fired? Sure. But that is not because the parent posted on these boards... because that parent and others were complaining elsewhere.

There is no truth that a parent, or anyone, complaining on these boards is influencing ADs or others to make personel decisions - even if they read these boards. I suspect you are putting together that parents complaints to administration lead to Scott's firing... and because those parents also complained here that because they complained here then complaining here lead to the firing. No chance. Their complaints to administration lead to the firing (if that is the reason)... not because they posted here.

This. This is right on.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 02:23:39 PM
I don't want the program to succeed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 02:24:59 PM
I'm glad you are trying to narrow down who I am when they were people on here making a coaches life miserable for years!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on May 19, 2017, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 02:23:39 PM
I don't want the program to succeed.

Well, if that's the case, considering your low opinion of the Kevin Hopkins hiring, I guess you should be happy? I mean, if you think he's a bad choice and you don't want the program to succeed, then I guess you've got your wish?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 19, 2017, 03:08:36 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 02:23:39 PM
I don't want the program to succeed.

You are classy. Glad to see the student-athletes experience is important to you. Damn the program means damning the student-athletes. Glad you have your priorities in order.

Quote from: TeamMonix on May 19, 2017, 02:24:59 PM
I'm glad you are trying to narrow down who I am when they were people on here making a coaches life miserable for years!

I know who the other people making their lives miserable have been as well. It isn't that well kept a secret. I am quite confident you know who those individuals are as well since you have listened to them, I am sure. But being you have been around this conference in different capacities, the fact you are angry at a few for a decision ... and using that anger to try and sink a program is pretty sad.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 19, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
I call it the curse of the Mule:

The Mules can't seem to stay out of the news and it's for all the wrong reasons. Just a couple years ago the Mules were a very talented basketball team which included perhaps the best player this conference has ever seen in Malik Killing. That team had promise but rumor has it that Killing and McClary didn't see eye to eye and the locker room truly split on taking sides. For those who remember this, this is where the downfall of Mules started and the start of blogging against Coach McClary began. I am not sure what took place between the AD and McClary but from Monix's post, I can make the assumption they didn't see eye to eye either. Mules have not returned to the playoffs since and they are still by far, the most blogged about team. Now a coach who hasn't even had his first day of practice yet is getting ripped apart. He is going to have a lot of pressure on him to win from Alumni who were faithful to McClary but honestly, the Mules don't have much talent. Starting point guard Miller is off the team and Rindock was sidelined for a good portion of last season due to injury and off the court issues, who knows what he is up to this year. For Coach Hopkins to succeed this season, German-born Wareheim is gong to have to have a "Dirk like" season. Call me crazy, but I call it the curse of the Mule!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 22, 2017, 12:02:23 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on May 19, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
I call it the curse of the Mule:

The Mules can't seem to stay out of the news and it's for all the wrong reasons. Just a couple years ago the Mules were a very talented basketball team which included perhaps the best player this conference has ever seen in Malik Killing. That team had promise but rumor has it that Killing and McClary didn't see eye to eye and the locker room truly split on taking sides. For those who remember this, this is where the downfall of Mules started and the start of blogging against Coach McClary began. I am not sure what took place between the AD and McClary but from Monix's post, I can make the assumption they didn't see eye to eye either. Mules have not returned to the playoffs since and they are still by far, the most blogged about team. Now a coach who hasn't even had his first day of practice yet is getting ripped apart. He is going to have a lot of pressure on him to win from Alumni who were faithful to McClary but honestly, the Mules don't have much talent. Starting point guard Miller is off the team and Rindock was sidelined for a good portion of last season due to injury and off the court issues, who knows what he is up to this year. For Coach Hopkins to succeed this season, German-born Wareheim is gong to have to have a "Dirk like" season. Call me crazy, but I call it the curse of the Mule!!!

Are you Malik Killing the best player this confrence has ever seen?!?!? PLEASE EXIT STAGE LEFT!!!

I can name 4 Diplomats, who where and are way better then he will ever be.
1) Georgio Milligan 2) Hayk Gyokchyan 3) Brandon Federici 4) James McNally might even make the cut.
Thats just for the Diplomats nevermind the other teams within the confrence.

Please don't get me wrong Killing's was a great player, but to exagirate his over impact on the confrence is largely inappropriate. I've seen numerous games where he was inconsistent and didn't play to the standard the team needed him to play to in order for them to pull out the W. He was often times a defensive liability for whatever reason, give be effort or size. Offensively, yes, he was gifted but against many teams including my Diplomats (i.e.: his senior year at F&M) if he struggled offensively he was out of it for the rest of the game. He was also a cancer to the team, which I believe is player a factor into many of the issues they are having present day. Instead of building guys up and bring them along, he selfishly went out there every night and tried to get 30 instead of builiding up the other players around. This has caused, in my OWN opinion, a drop off of leadership that even if McClary wanted to he couldn't, fill with the preceeding graduating class or other guys on the team. There is no rumor about it. This is fact McClary and Killing did not see eye to eye. Malik in all his greatness, along with McClary's weak playsets over the last few years are to blame for the current Mules slump.

I do not know much of the Mule history, prior to the early 2000's maybe 2008 I would say. However to I would say the "Curse of the Mule" or the current slump by Muhlenberg can be attributed to both McClary and Killings. As a spectator of the game there is no reason I should know all the play sets your team should run before they get up the court. This just proves that McClary's playbook wasn't as extensive as it should have been. On the Malik front, if I'm scouting against your team I'm telling my guys shut him down and let the other guys score and if we can't do that let him get 30 becuase no way he can outscore my whole team. The Mules probelems are entrenched in the behaviors of both these individuals, not just one person.

BUT BACK TO THE MAIN POINT --- MALIK KILLING (is not) and WILL NEVEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR be the great player in Cent History.
That statment is foolish and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying that. SAD!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on May 22, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
If you think Brandon Federici comes anywhere close to Malique Killing, I would like you to pass me the funny cigarettes you are smoking.  While there may be an argument for Milligan, Federici is essentially a really skilled offensive player flourishing in an established program with a good coach.  Killing dragged subpar talent to victories under an ineffective coach.  Federici walked in and was slotted next to Morgan Lee and Cedric Moune, who had a phenomenal high-low complement that opened the floors for shooters.  Malique was the centerpiece of the program from Day 1.  You would think a lot higher of Killing if McClary had not completely hamstrung him during his senior season, which was nothing short of a disappointment, largely due to the fact that McClary took the ball out of Killing hands and significantly reduced his freedom.  Federici is an excellent player, but you are out of your mind if you think he is more talented than Killing.  A lot of the negative views on Killing circulate around some perceived off the court issues, but I've never met anybody who knew him who didn't rave about him.  Malique was a bonafide all-american talent, but some of the perceived accolades that he deserved (conference POY) were taking away by coaches who didn't like his attitude and couldn't do anything to stop him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 22, 2017, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: GoDiplomats on May 22, 2017, 12:02:23 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on May 19, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
I call it the curse of the Mule:

The Mules can't seem to stay out of the news and it's for all the wrong reasons. Just a couple years ago the Mules were a very talented basketball team which included perhaps the best player this conference has ever seen in Malik Killing. That team had promise but rumor has it that Killing and McClary didn't see eye to eye and the locker room truly split on taking sides. For those who remember this, this is where the downfall of Mules started and the start of blogging against Coach McClary began. I am not sure what took place between the AD and McClary but from Monix's post, I can make the assumption they didn't see eye to eye either. Mules have not returned to the playoffs since and they are still by far, the most blogged about team. Now a coach who hasn't even had his first day of practice yet is getting ripped apart. He is going to have a lot of pressure on him to win from Alumni who were faithful to McClary but honestly, the Mules don't have much talent. Starting point guard Miller is off the team and Rindock was sidelined for a good portion of last season due to injury and off the court issues, who knows what he is up to this year. For Coach Hopkins to succeed this season, German-born Wareheim is gong to have to have a "Dirk like" season. Call me crazy, but I call it the curse of the Mule!!!

Are you Malik Killing the best player this confrence has ever seen?!?!? PLEASE EXIT STAGE LEFT!!!

I can name 4 Diplomats, who where and are way better then he will ever be.
1) Georgio Milligan 2) Hayk Gyokchyan 3) Brandon Federici 4) James McNally might even make the cut.
Thats just for the Diplomats nevermind the other teams within the confrence.

Please don't get me wrong Killing's was a great player, but to exagirate his over impact on the confrence is largely inappropriate. I've seen numerous games where he was inconsistent and didn't play to the standard the team needed him to play to in order for them to pull out the W. He was often times a defensive liability for whatever reason, give be effort or size. Offensively, yes, he was gifted but against many teams including my Diplomats (i.e.: his senior year at F&M) if he struggled offensively he was out of it for the rest of the game. He was also a cancer to the team, which I believe is player a factor into many of the issues they are having present day. Instead of building guys up and bring them along, he selfishly went out there every night and tried to get 30 instead of builiding up the other players around. This has caused, in my OWN opinion, a drop off of leadership that even if McClary wanted to he couldn't, fill with the preceeding graduating class or other guys on the team. There is no rumor about it. This is fact McClary and Killing did not see eye to eye. Malik in all his greatness, along with McClary's weak playsets over the last few years are to blame for the current Mules slump.

I do not know much of the Mule history, prior to the early 2000's maybe 2008 I would say. However to I would say the "Curse of the Mule" or the current slump by Muhlenberg can be attributed to both McClary and Killings. As a spectator of the game there is no reason I should know all the play sets your team should run before they get up the court. This just proves that McClary's playbook wasn't as extensive as it should have been. On the Malik front, if I'm scouting against your team I'm telling my guys shut him down and let the other guys score and if we can't do that let him get 30 becuase no way he can outscore my whole team. The Mules probelems are entrenched in the behaviors of both these individuals, not just one person.

BUT BACK TO THE MAIN POINT --- MALIK KILLING (is not) and WILL NEVEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR be the great player in Cent History.
That statment is foolish and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying that. SAD!!

I understand you are bias to the Diplomats but saying that Federici is better than Killing is flat out wrong. I don't even want to waste my time on this subject because there is little to no argument for your side. Federici scores a lot of points but takes a ridiculous amount of shots and is a product of the system. Hell, I am 20 pounds overweight and 40 years older than Federici but if Robinson had a system like that for me I would put up at least 20 a game. Killing was held back by many factors but still performed better and more efficiently than Federici. On a normal bell curve, Killing is AT LEAST TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS BETTER THAN FEDERICI!

CASE CLOSED
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on May 23, 2017, 01:24:52 AM
killing and federici are both good scorers. best basketball player the conference has seen...? i don't think so in either case. lots of better guards (more complete players) have played in the conference then them. miligan, for one, was better than both of them. he was stronger, a better leader, a much better defender, more selfless, and he made it look easy. he was clutch, knew how to finish games and how to make sure he had enough left at the end of the game to dominate his opponent. he could have put up much bigger scoring numbers but he led his team like a true point guard should. and i am not a diplomat fan, just giving milligan the respect he earned.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 23, 2017, 01:06:38 PM
How could this forum existing without bashing Mcclary & Killing?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
     Real mature, ALL of you.   Nothing like acting like a bunch of big, strong, and opinionated men hiding behind keyboards bashing people who don't even have a chance to stand up for themselves. 

   Monix.... We understand you are one of Coach Mclary's boys who continues to narrow down the options to many people on this blog and thats fine, but I can say with the utmost confidence that he was not fired due to one disgusted parent(Hoopdog1414) bashing him on a forum in which most don't even know exist.  When someone is fired there needs to be a case against them.  I am sure Athletic Director Goff & committee have been building a case for the last several years and determined that the time was right.  I personally was a fan of Mclary and his charismatic personality.  Someone who truly loved what he did.

   GoDiplomats... as the F&M faithful that you are, there is no way that you would know Malique Killing personally on any level.  Malique, one of the most talented players to ever even lace them up.  @Hank meant no disrespect to any of your favorite Dips, was just stating the facts.  Killing was a High Major Talent stuck in a d3 body.  Don't get me wrong, Federici is an outstanding shooter/scorer.  I think most would agree that he benefits tremendously from Robinson's system, which of course isn't his fault he is just doing what he is supposed to.  From a raw talent perspective I still would give the edge to Malique.  Federici will still have the more successful career and go down as one of the centennial greats for his great shot making. 

The rest of you Veteran Bloggers that continue to reference that 5 accounts are 1 personal thats just silly.  The language used when writing differs significantly throughout our dialogues.  You will also see the information I provided regarding The Red Devils is true come Fall when Brown, and Sherman both decide to opt out of their contracts and test free agency when they don't return to Carlisle.

Please, "Lets discuss sports in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect".

Corp. Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2017, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 23, 2017, 01:06:38 PM
How could this forum existing without bashing Mcclary & Killing?

Ha. Well. It has existed since before you started playing collegiate basketball... probably when you were in elementary school? The world doesn't revolve around you and your hatred.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 23, 2017, 04:45:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2017, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 23, 2017, 01:06:38 PM
How could this forum existing without bashing Mcclary & Killing?

Ha. Well. It has existed since before you started playing collegiate basketball... probably when you were in elementary school? The world doesn't revolve around you and your hatred.

Interesting stance.... Never played collegiate basketball but thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2017, 06:13:34 PM
Curious... do you get alerts when people message on the boards? Do you do anything else? Heck. Today is the first day I've been on the boards in like five days. It is the off season. Enjoy it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 23, 2017, 04:45:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2017, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on May 23, 2017, 01:06:38 PM
How could this forum existing without bashing Mcclary & Killing?

Ha. Well. It has existed since before you started playing collegiate basketball... probably when you were in elementary school? The world doesn't revolve around you and your hatred.

Interesting stance.... Never played collegiate basketball but thanks!

Also nice to figure out you don't have the same perspective those who have played collegiate sports have ... unless you coached collegiately.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 23, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
D-Mac-

How does coaching collegiatelly and playing give you the same perspective? Seems pretty par for the course as you haven't really nailed down who anyone is either.

Also not sure how you amount 5 people to 1 account its just not reasonable.

Lastly Killing is far and away the most talented player the Cent has seen and if you don't see that then you might need new spectacles. A 5'6 player who has the capability to play above post players and hit three point shots at an above average rate. Again I am talking pure talent. If he were 5'9 he would have played in the Atlantic 10, **** he almost ended up there anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2017, 02:42:55 AM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 23, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
Also not sure how you amount 5 people to 1 account its just not reasonable.

I never said it was five accounts for one person and it doesn't appear Dave did either, but if that's what you guys want to admit to, go ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 24, 2017, 10:51:15 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
     Real mature, ALL of you.   Nothing like acting like a bunch of big, strong, and opinionated men hiding behind keyboards bashing people who don't even have a chance to stand up for themselves. 

   Monix.... We understand you are one of Coach Mclary's boys who continues to narrow down the options to many people on this blog and thats fine, but I can say with the utmost confidence that he was not fired due to one disgusted parent(Hoopdog1414) bashing him on a forum in which most don't even know exist.  When someone is fired there needs to be a case against them.  I am sure Athletic Director Goff & committee have been building a case for the last several years and determined that the time was right.  I personally was a fan of Mclary and his charismatic personality.  Someone who truly loved what he did.

   GoDiplomats... as the F&M faithful that you are, there is no way that you would know Malique Killing personally on any level.  Malique, one of the most talented players to ever even lace them up.  @Hank meant no disrespect to any of your favorite Dips, was just stating the facts.  Killing was a High Major Talent stuck in a d3 body.  Don't get me wrong, Federici is an outstanding shooter/scorer.  I think most would agree that he benefits tremendously from Robinson's system, which of course isn't his fault he is just doing what he is supposed to.  From a raw talent perspective I still would give the edge to Malique.  Federici will still have the more successful career and go down as one of the centennial greats for his great shot making. 

The rest of you Veteran Bloggers that continue to reference that 5 accounts are 1 personal thats just silly.  The language used when writing differs significantly throughout our dialogues.  You will also see the information I provided regarding The Red Devils is true come Fall when Brown, and Sherman both decide to opt out of their contracts and test free agency when they don't return to Carlisle.

Please, "Lets discuss sports in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect".

Corp. Out.

@Corp in case you cannot read, I NEVER MADE ANY CLAIMS TO KNOW MALIK ON ANY LEVEL. I simply stated, using JUST DIPLOMATS AS EXAMPLES, of players that were better then Killings. From my observation, yes he was a very good player, but for an individual to make an outlandish statement to go as far as stating the greatest player in Cent history is just foolish, ill-willed, and idiotic. As I stated before and will state again, for as good as a player he was his ego and other game related antics taint and tarnish his reputation. I wouldn't dispute the fact that Fed benefits greatly from the offense GRob runs for him and the other wings but with all do respect he also has to work to get his fair share of buckets when needed. @Hank & @CentCraze88 clearly knows as little about basketball as a toddler does their ABC's. I am not disputing that Killing wasn't a good player, but for them to go to the extreme and say he was the best in Conference history is crazy. Using ONLY Diplomats, disregarding the other teams in the conference which undoubtedly have more notable players of their own, I simply made the argument for other players in the upper tier of this conference players. They are entitled to their own opinions on Fed, @Hank however, is clearly delusional if he thinks he could score 20 pts in the system....but hey one can HOPE! For future reference is you are going to try to debunk someone's argument you all should address it in it's entirety instead of nit picking at what works to increase your argument. You all seemly skipped to address Milligan and Gyokchyan, but addressed Fed....JUST SHAMEFUL.

@Centfan is slightly more rational and a better observer of basketball, which is clear through his critique of Milligan.

Georgio was a heck of a talent and should get the respect he deserves. Placing Malik over Milligan is disrespectful, my loyalty to F&M or not, Killing was no where near as good or as complete a player as Milligan was and is. An example of this is clear through whose career continued and whose didn't. Georgio is overseas playing in Costa Rica, had a few D-League stops and other stops abroad, while Malik hasn't seen the court past his time at Muhlenberg. Nothing against the guy at all, honeslty. I heard some really nice things about the kid, but he isn't the best player this confrence has ever seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 24, 2017, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 23, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
D-Mac-

How does coaching collegiatelly and playing give you the same perspective? Seems pretty par for the course as you haven't really nailed down who anyone is either.

I think playing and coaching in the college ranks gives one a much better perspectives of how this all goes together, especially the politics. Why coaches are hired and fired, how teams interact and such during their playing days, how coaches and players interact, even coaches and parents or even alums. For those who haven't been in those ranks I would think would make it harder to understand how that all comes together.

Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 23, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
Also not sure how you amount 5 people to 1 account its just not reasonable.

I certainly haven't said anything about 5 people belonging to 1 account... but I do find it interesting that "HopkinsNest7" is answering comments directed at "Monix" ... I am not saying it is a connection, but it does seem the wrong account could have been used if the accounts belong to the same person. Just seems like an odd thing for HopkinsNest to do... to defend Monix... but to each their own.

Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 23, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
Lastly Killing is far and away the most talented player the Cent has seen and if you don't see that then you might need new spectacles. A 5'6 player who has the capability to play above post players and hit three point shots at an above average rate. Again I am talking pure talent. If he were 5'9 he would have played in the Atlantic 10, **** he almost ended up there anyway.

I've been around the Centennial Conference a pretty damn long time... especially close the conference the last ten years if not more... and nothing against Killing, but there have been a lot of other players in this conference I think of before I look to Killing as one I thought was the best. He was certainly a good talent, when he knew how to play with that talent... or with his team. I found Killing to be more of a disappointment considering his talent level. I think when the coaches vote him second team in his final year it says a lot. And of course, I know the argument back could be that how McClary played him could have affected that... however, I think McClary gave him plenty of chances to help Muhlenberg to the next level, but Killing was shockingly unable to rise to the occasion. Heck, I was on site when Muhlenberg had the chance at a big upset in mid-January his senior year... they had the last shot. Killing did everything he could to screw up the opportunity and the Mules walked away with a loss. I never forgot watching that moment and just shaking my head... much like his teammates did at the time. His behavior leading up to that moment was also hard to forget. It is sad.. he had a lot of potential, but he never figured out what some of the greats do figure out... you are only as good as you allow your team to be. He never helped his team take the next step. He was overly selfish and wouldn't allow his teammates to be part of the game when he was out there. Not that I would compare Killing to Michael Jordan in terms of talent, but Killing could have learned something from Jordan - how to play with your team. When Jordan figured out how to trust his team (no matter how much he road them in practices), that's when the Bulls became one of the best teams to ever play the game. Remember, two of the biggest shots in Bulls history were not made by Jordan - he passed the ball to Paxton and Kerr. Killing, especially in the moment I witnessed first hand in their own gym, needed to learn that tactic.

Certainly, Killing will be in the conversation about some of the top talent that have played in the Centennial Conference, but three of the four names mentioned earlier just from F&M would trump Killing in my book (Federici is the lone exception, he hasn't improved from his freshman year).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 24, 2017, 12:18:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 24, 2017, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 23, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
D-Mac-

How does coaching collegiatelly and playing give you the same perspective? Seems pretty par for the course as you haven't really nailed down who anyone is either.



I think playing and coaching in the college ranks gives one a much better perspectives of how this all goes together, especially the politics. Why coaches are hired and fired, how teams interact and such during their playing days, how coaches and players interact, even coaches and parents or even alums. For those who haven't been in those ranks I would think would make it harder to understand how that all comes together.

Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 23, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
Also not sure how you amount 5 people to 1 account its just not reasonable.

I certainly haven't said anything about 5 people belonging to 1 account... but I do find it interesting that "HopkinsNest7" is answering comments directed at "Monix" ... I am not saying it is a connection, but it does seem the wrong account could have been used if the accounts belong to the same person. Just seems like an odd thing for HopkinsNest to do... to defend Monix... but to each their own.

Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 23, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
Lastly Killing is far and away the most talented player the Cent has seen and if you don't see that then you might need new spectacles. A 5'6 player who has the capability to play above post players and hit three point shots at an above average rate. Again I am talking pure talent. If he were 5'9 he would have played in the Atlantic 10, **** he almost ended up there anyway.

I've been around the Centennial Conference a pretty damn long time... especially close the conference the last ten years if not more... and nothing against Killing, but there have been a lot of other players in this conference I think of before I look to Killing as one I thought was the best. He was certainly a good talent, when he knew how to play with that talent... or with his team. I found Killing to be more of a disappointment considering his talent level. I think when the coaches vote him second team in his final year it says a lot. And of course, I know the argument back could be that how McClary played him could have affected that... however, I think McClary gave him plenty of chances to help Muhlenberg to the next level, but Killing was shockingly unable to rise to the occasion. Heck, I was on site when Muhlenberg had the chance at a big upset in mid-January his senior year... they had the last shot. Killing did everything he could to screw up the opportunity and the Mules walked away with a loss. I never forgot watching that moment and just shaking my head... much like his teammates did at the time. His behavior leading up to that moment was also hard to forget. It is sad.. he had a lot of potential, but he never figured out what some of the greats do figure out... you are only as good as you allow your team to be. He never helped his team take the next step. He was overly selfish and wouldn't allow his teammates to be part of the game when he was out there. Not that I would compare Killing to Michael Jordan in terms of talent, but Killing could have learned something from Jordan - how to play with your team. When Jordan figured out how to trust his team (no matter how much he road them in practices), that's when the Bulls became one of the best teams to ever play the game. Remember, two of the biggest shots in Bulls history were not made by Jordan - he passed the ball to Paxton and Kerr. Killing, especially in the moment I witnessed first hand in their own gym, needed to learn that tactic.

Certainly, Killing will be in the conversation about some of the top talent that have played in the Centennial Conference, but three of the four names mentioned earlier just from F&M would trump Killing in my book (Federici is the lone exception, he hasn't improved from his freshman year).

You claim to know so much about this conference and then fail to realize Killing was selected to nothing his senior season. Rindock was the only Mules selection in the last 3 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 24, 2017, 12:24:59 PM
With minimal knowledge of the Cent as I am new within the last 7 years, I can assure you in that span no one has touched Malique Killing on a talent level. All anyone does on here is throw out F and M players who had better mentalities than Killing. Being a nice guy has never gotten anyone a cold blooded 40 points. Killing was voted to nothing his senior year after leading in FTs made, assists and 2nd in points. To put this in NBA perspective since we are all of a sudden using Jordan comparisons I'll make it brief. Here is the list of people who have accomplished that in a season: no one.

Maybe in Mardukas' fantasy world of dropping 20 but not in any other place has this occurred let alone to get NO recognition. Pure insanity.

No one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 24, 2017, 01:14:24 PM
I've seen enough I feel the need to comment:

To Everybody: Yes, obviously Hopkinsnest and Monix are the same person. He messed up and answered a question that was to Monix on his other account which is Hopkinsnest. 

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on May 24, 2017, 02:33:37 PM
haha nice try. Don't think I would have an account with "Hopkins" in it
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 24, 2017, 02:42:06 PM
       Was only a matter of time until you all showed your hand.... Back in reference to Killing or as I like to call him "Centennial Iverson" (without the off the court issues of course).  GoDiplomats once again, I totally understand your loyalty to the Dips, but even Stevie Wonder could see that from a pure raw talent perspective that those diplomats don't touch Killing.  Yes, they most likely had more successful careers than Killing and No, that wasn't the argument this entire time.  Obviously a really good player on F&M is going to be more successful than a Mules Great.  No disrespect to the Mules, but no matter how good of a recruiter Mclary was, and he was good (i.e Killing, Stavetsky, Hargrove, Curry, Rindock(All Centennial Player), Mcleod(All Centennial talent who has battled bad knees from what I heard from my buddy Timmy in Allentown), Cohen, Miller(see previous posts), Mcclellan(NJs top rebounder13-14 behind NBA#1 overall pick Karl Anthony towns), Baez(transfer market), Cole(Skilled Post out of North Jersey), Talbert(3 ball assassin who can heat up.  Enjoyed seeing a little bit of his career at Randolph of NJ), German born Werheim(Raw talent with D1 athleticism), and Gnias from Springford PA who those of you who faithfully watch the Cent were able to see Gnias debut his nice floor vision along with up tempo style.  This past season only Rindock, Mcleod, Miller, and Mcclellan were still on the roster from that class(not really sure what the issue was with athletes walking away from the game. Thats beyond my knowledge).  According to what people claimed to be true in earlier posts Miller and Mcclellan will be walking away from the game and hanging their jerseys up. Unfortunate to see, but who knows maybe it had something to do with their loyalty to Mclary? I have no idea just throwing that idea out there.  Anyways despite Mclary being able to recruit ball players, Muhlenberg still stands no chance to out recruit F&M.  They are a perennial powerhouse every year with one of the winningest coaches in NCAA history.  They obviously always have the better TEAMS.  My point was Killing was the better TALENT.  Never did I say that was a recipe for winning culture and success.  There was a cloud above Mules during the Killing reign for a multitude of reasons that aren't fully clear to the public eye, but it seems that most speculate far too much considering we are all looking at it from the outside and weren't a part of the locker room from 2011 through the 2014-2015 season ended.  Killing who had many opportunities to play professional ball overseas decided to decline the opportunities and use his degree rather than rack up 5k at most per year playing in mediocre leagues.  Killing returned to his roots in Philadelphia where he now works in the financial district.  You can thank my buddy Ed from Philly who has ties to Friends Central which those of you who followed Killings controversial career know he attended high school. 

Moral of the story- Centennial Iverson (Killing) was easily one of the top 5 most talented players to come through the centennial.  Like Iverson, he never put it all together for whatever reasons.  No question there were more successful players, but if we're playing 1 on 1 Im taking Killing over the field.  Killing if he wasn't shafted with 5'6 height would have been a high major D1 player no question.

Corp.Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 24, 2017, 02:55:07 PM
Talbert was a microwave in high school. McClary made a mockery of his career when he made him a reserve point guard rather than a flame throwing "3 and D" guy that is heavily coveted in modern day basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on May 24, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
Heard that Cole was forced to drop out of the 'Berg due to him having a child. Saw his family at a few games I went to and often times there was a small girl amongst them.  May have been his daughter.  Guess he thought he could make it work but apparently that is not so.  Shame, guys of that frame don't just grow on trees. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 24, 2017, 03:25:44 PM
Happy birthday Monix!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 24, 2017, 03:27:36 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 24, 2017, 03:25:44 PM
Happy birthday Monix!!!

Wishing yourself happy birthday....
Not fooling anybody
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on May 24, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
Hank,

Nice pic mate. Have a good one
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 24, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
I just want to give my final thought on the matter of Killing:

"If Brad Stevens was coaching the Cavs & Tyron Lue was coaching the Celtics, the Cavs would have swept the Wizards by now"

This quote directly relates to Killings game under McClary
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 24, 2017, 03:33:03 PM
Go crawl back into the 1970s Mardukas... grrr
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 24, 2017, 04:22:49 PM
Been following the CC closely for 17 seasons and, admittedly, am a big UC Bears fan.  Let me throw out six names of players who I think were the best in the past 17 years.  They are Nick Shattuck, Mike McGarvey, Georgio Milligan, Gerry Wixted, Spencer Liddic and Dennis Stanton.  They were all outstanding players who made their teams better and none were selfish players.  I probably missed some others who should be on the list---not as just good players---but among the best in CC history.

Bottom line----this is a fruitless argument has no right answer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 24, 2017, 04:54:48 PM
While all of those players accomplished many individual and team feats it still hasn't addressed the point that Killing is most TALENTED selflish or not none of those players had greater physical ability than Killing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 24, 2017, 05:22:42 PM
Don't argue that at all.  But, who was the better player?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on May 24, 2017, 06:18:04 PM
This board has become pretty wild and some crazy things were thrown out there. As a neutral observer who coached high school ball for over 20 years, there is one player I have seen play that was head over heals better than anyone else in the Centennial (by miles): Georgio Milligan. It isn't even close. The kid could just flat out play at both ends of the court and made everyone around him better. If we are throwing best out there, Matt Porter is the best DIII defender I have ever seen. (I live near and go to Ithaca College games all the time for over 35 years). Killing was very talented, but not the best. Also, the overseas money is not good at all. It is basically a break-even endeavor. So, unless you really want to play for free, it really isn't a realistic option. Cheers all. Not one to pick a fight, but you are all playing for second place this year as Swat is only getting better by the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CentCraze88 on May 24, 2017, 07:23:12 PM
^Fake News
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 24, 2017, 07:45:12 PM
Swat #1,

Always enjoy your posts. Thanks for your input.  Doubt that you ever saw Shattuck, McGarvey or Stanton play.  Five CC POY's between them.  Milligan is right there too so don't argue with your comments on him.  He was terrific.

Regarding Swat, they will be the favorites but do not take anything for granted.  CC will be competitive next year so Swat will have to earn it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 24, 2017, 07:48:54 PM
Happy birthday Monix/Hopkinsnest! The Killing thing is a little mind boggling just because he was very very disappointing... talented but not very good. Probably got the shaft on the cc selections his senior year but who cares about a non playoff team. Killing is the guard version of boogie

Unless Swat brings in some good players they're just not winning it next year. Before everybody blows a gasket, let me say that they have only one guard who can handle pressure and that's wiley, and I hate to say this but i just have a gut feeling he will have to spend a good amount of time this year in the training room due to swats breakout performers almost always getting hurt in some capacity the next year.

One player I think is really gonna have a breakout year is Brian "please don't touch my raf" rafferty. No reason other than I just think he will do well this year. Ursinus could go places in the future but I think they settle for the 4/5 game this year and maybe win that playoff game but then ultimately lose to the 1 the next game if it comes to that.

Similarly to the way Lil B "the based god" put his based god curse on James Harden I am going to give out my Red Onwuatuegwu curse and curse F&M for the upcoming year as they will not win the cc this year. This is not a random curse and you could just consider my curse to them for the year a punishment because of the paying of players (not always in money) that occurs at F&M.

Be safe friends and I'm looking for a great year of cc ball in the 12th best conference in all of D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 24, 2017, 08:40:28 PM
I could easily see Please Domt Touch My Raf posting a career high in assists while knocking down a few more three balls in his senior campaign.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on May 24, 2017, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on May 24, 2017, 07:45:12 PM
Swat #1,

Always enjoy your posts. Thanks for your input.  Doubt that you ever saw Shattuck, McGarvey or Stanton play.  Five CC POY's between them.  Milligan is right there too so don't argue with your comments on him.  He was terrific.

Regarding Swat, they will be the favorites but do not take anything for granted.  CC will be competitive next year so Swat will have to earn it.

Yeah, I was stupid. I should have said that since I started watching Centennial Conference games, Milligan is the best I have seen. I have seen several All-Americans at Ithaca College and the teams they play and no one was close to Milligan. He was just a special player. I was just being a smart-a** about next year. So many things can happen to change what will happen. Again, cheers all and have a wonderful summer!

On another note, many former Centennial players play in a league in downtown Philly. It is like a brotherhood and they often go out after games. They are all quality young men!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 25, 2017, 07:41:08 AM

Dickinson is still in the Centennial, right?  If you're going to have this largely pointless offseason conversation, isn't there a National Player of the Year who hasn't really been included yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on May 25, 2017, 08:32:51 AM
i think it would be more fun to simply acknowledge players we appreciated rater than argue over who was the best. most people haven't watched the conference for that long or that thoroughly for their opinion to be credible.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 25, 2017, 11:10:54 AM
Wixted was a very good player and congrats to him on player of the year, but was he really the best player of the year?! Come on now back to reality. I'd personally still take Milligan to lead my team over him any day of the week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2017, 12:51:34 PM
I'd have thought there would be more discussion of Dave Jannetta on this list.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 25, 2017, 01:20:41 PM
Here is my all time centennial roster if I have to play a basketball game against the martians to save the earth from mass destruction. (Bill Simmons idea)

Starters:
Malique Killing: fearless leader who may be able to win this game by himself. Can score from all three levels of the court and is a pure winner when dialed in.
Georgio Milligan: Impossible to press and a relentless on ball defender, him and Killing could be a two man press while also providing 50+ points of high powered offense.
Brandon Angradi: unconscious shooter who can space the floor for the prior two guards. Tough shot maker who will be unaffected by the mythical wingspan of these aliens. It will be an issue if kawhi leonard shows up at the game as it is proven he's not actually human.
Spencer Liddic: bruising 4 who will exert sheer will into the glass and become a walking double double. As consistent as the Cent has ever seen. Abington product.
Gerry Wixted III: Small ball center who can space the floor and score in a number of ways. Can afford the lack of rebounding here because Liddic will be busy pounding the glass like a drum. Makes for a dynamic offense.

Bench:
Alec Stavetski: perfect replacement for the inevitable finger sprain for Angradi. 4 point play machine. Jamal Crawford.
George Bugarinovoc: poor mans Liddic as he will terrorize the martians glass as well. Impressive mid range game and he is a doctor so he might be able to fix Angradis finger.
Gibby Graves: do it all forward who can play 4 positions and defend 5. This may be a stretch but I have to give Haverford some love since they couldn't land McClary.
Cam Wiley: Malique Jr. Simple as that.
Rob Walsh: only true shot blocker on the roster but can be a big time deterrent at the rim. Look for him to play 15 minutes and block 2-3 shots. Efficient.

Coach: Scott McClary. Let's be real, would this blog be a thing without that guy? I would trust him with this squad to defend the earth. A well balanced offense and array of crafty defenses makes McClary the only true candidate to coach the Centennials best.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 25, 2017, 01:50:24 PM
Ha. Plus k to you.

I don't have much Centennial knowledge pre-2004 but my starting five would be -- Wixted (POY, and versatile player), Milligan (I liked his style at guard), Mike McGarvey (one of the best pure passers in D3), Dennis Stanton (great scorer) and Andrew Powers (Really, really good post at Gettysburg).  Next five are Nick Shattuck in a Manu Ginobli role, Liddic, Danny Nawrocki who had the biggest arms I've ever seen on a D3 basketball player, Ian McCormick and Cam Wiley in the young-gun-who-has-to-carry-the-veterans-bags-to-pay-his-dues role. I'm really high on Wiley and think he'll be a total stud by his senior year.

Oh, and I never saw Killing play but I hope Muhlenberg SID Mike Falk used the headline "Killing them softly" at least once for a basketball recap.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 25, 2017, 02:08:29 PM
              Well well well..... nothing like showing your hand.  Only referencing players from the last 7 years or so for an all Centennial team.  Keep in mind fellow writers, the Cent was established in 1981.  Another form of giving yourself away @HopkinsNest7 or should I say....@Monix.  By the way, Happy belated to you HopkinsNest7/Monix.  This blog was created well before you hit your adolescent years which is why it makes sense as to why you only reference players that have recently played in the Cent.  Guys on your list who should never even be considered for an All Time Cent team: Angradi, Stavetski, Graves, Walsh, and Wiley(not yet at least.  Still has some things to prove as a rising junior).  No disrespect to the student athletes mentioned, but lets be real here.  Angradi a better shooter than future Cent all time leading scorer, Federici?  I think not.  I'll leave it here because I'd rather not bash anyone on this forum but I mean lets think logically before we post.

@SwatFan- Here come all the Swarthmore "Faithful" from out of the depths now that they are finally relevant on the hardwood.  I would have corrected you for your claim that everyone else is playing for second this year but you did that yourself.  Wise move.  Swat will be tough as they continue to build a really nice program under the Centennial Popovich (Kosmalski).  With players like the explosive scorer Wiley, the "do it all yonda", and walsh holding down the paint for them I can see them obviously contending but also making a push to win a game or 2 in the national tournament as its Walsh and Yondas last go at it.  I like what they have going there, but I just wonder how long until Kosmalski follows in the footsteps of Popovich and heads for the pros(or should I say Mula).  That may be a stretch, but realistically its only a matter of time until he has a chance at a D1 head coaching position.  We have all seen his immediate impact on that program and I must say its quite impressive. 

@Red- I too am a big fan of rafferty of ursinus.  Legit 6'4 point who is simply just bigger than his opponent on most nights.  I could see him having a really nice senior year.  I'd like to see him look to score more though as he tends to be a little passive on most nights.  With the lost of North east PA product Knowles I think we may see Raff in a more scoring role than we are used to seeing. 

On a lighter note, who's excited for the NBA finals?  Durant vs Lebron, Kyrie vs Curry.  Kind of reminds me a little bit of those Dickinson vs Muhlenberg Matchups.  Stavetski vs Angradi, and Killing vs Cox.  May be a bit of a stretch, but hey might as well have some fun with it  :)

Corp.Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 25, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2017, 02:32:34 PM
This is really a message board, rather than a blog, for what it's worth. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 25, 2017, 03:05:28 PM
Wait... is it the regular season? This page has had more traffic in the last few days then it gets in the regular season... starting to look like a CCIW or MIAA board... except, those boards have multiple posters, not multiple personalities. LOL

BTW - sorry I have Killing credit as a second teamer... was doing it off the top of my head. All I remembered was that he didn't "earn" the honors his apologizers wanted... and rightly so.

And Gordon... love your list of Centennial players... that is an outstanding list.

BTW - didn't Killing play at the same time as Wixted? Hmm. I think Wixted proved he was the better player head-to-head, not that he was actually trying to do that. While being outscored in the final game of the 2015 season 8-4 (by Killing)... Wixted also had 11 rebounds.

And to the argument that Killing's problem was McClary... any good or great player finds a way to get themselves on the court, play in the system, and rise to the occasion. McClary played Killing 30.8 minutes a game his senior year... and against Dickinson he scored 11 and 8 respectively. Killing got his chances... he just didn't take advantage of those chances. You can't blame a coach when you are on the floor and still can't get it done. Sure, he scored 15.8 ppg, but 12-12 your senior year is disappointing.

Killing never lived up to the expectations and if the situation was so bad, he could have transfered.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on May 25, 2017, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 25, 2017, 01:50:24 PM
Ha. Plus k to you.

I don't have much Centennial knowledge pre-2004 but my starting five would be -- Wixted (POY, and versatile player), Milligan (I liked his style at guard), Mike McGarvey (one of the best pure passers in D3), Dennis Stanton (great scorer) and Andrew Powers (Really, really good post at Gettysburg).  Next five are Nick Shattuck in a Manu Ginobli role, Liddic, Danny Nawrocki who had the biggest arms I've ever seen on a D3 basketball player, Ian McCormick and Cam Wiley in the young-gun-who-has-to-carry-the-veterans-bags-to-pay-his-dues role. I'm really high on Wiley and think he'll be a total stud by his senior year.

Oh, and I never saw Killing play but I hope Muhlenberg SID Mike Falk used the headline "Killing them softly" at least once for a basketball recap.

Having seen McGarvey, Stanton(loss to Scranton), Powers, McNally, and Milligan in NCAA tourney action(other half of regional doubleheaders involving Scranton), I'd probably pick Milligan as the best over Powers in this group; to be fair, McGarvey was only a freshman when I saw him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 25, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
      Tomato/Tomoto, Potato/Pototo lets not nit pick here fellas.  I think you all know what I meant when I said blog.  I however am recently newer to writing on this "messaging board" although I have been a pretty frequent reader and follower of the Cent for years now. 

Bored at the office so what a better way to pass time than to make some predictions
Very early predictions for All Cent teams this year?
Mine would have to be
First team:
1.Wiley
2.Federici
3.Yonda
4.Quatro
5.Walsh

Second:
1.Tate
2.Wright
3.Rindock
4.Scibili (if healthy)
5. Baez

HM in no specific order- Rafferty,Mcleod, Janicot(Mardukas would like this one), Eric Williams, Slyka. 

COY- Robinson in other news the sky is indeed blue
POY-Federici as he eclipses the conferences all time scoring record
DPOY- Walsh
MIPOY- Rafferty
Best hair- With the departure of seniors Pete Christ/John Hunter it looks like its time for Dan Vila of Johhny Hop to take the crown.  Young man has quite an impressive head of hair on him
Best story line- With Wiley really starting to take over the conference the comparisons of Killing and Milligan will become more and more realistic.  Similarly to what we are seeing with Lebron/Jordan debates
Message Boarder of the year-Might have to go with Veteran D-mac on this one.  Just seems like his year.
Rookie of the year-Too early to tell.  Not familiar with enough recruiting classes.  TBD
Best Hospitality for a game- Memorial Hall for its plentiful seating, but Dip Zone for its atmosphere
Underachieving team of the year-Dickinson.  With the loss of Brown I think they could struggle also because the need to fill position.  Not easy getting thrown into the fire in the Cent.  Especially with some hostile message boarders(Hoopdog1414,Monix/HopkinsNest7)
Best student body representation- Johns Hopkins.  Man I've seen a few games in Baltimore and those kids are funny but ruthless.  Look forward to catching a few more. 
Matchup of the year-Whenever Swarthmore matches up with The Dips.  Has the potential to be a slugfest of the 2 top dogs
Best Fan- Reserved Seat.  Goes without having to explain

Standings
1.F&M
2.Swat
3.Ursinus
4.Dickinson
5.Mules
6.Mcdaniel
7.Getty
8.Hopkins
9.Fords
10.Washington





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 25, 2017, 03:41:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 25, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
      Tomato/Tomoto, Potato/Pototo lets not nit pick here fellas.  I think you all know what I meant when I said blog.  I however am recently newer to writing on this "messaging board" although I have been a pretty frequent reader and follower of the Cent for years now. 

Now you are just trolling me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on May 25, 2017, 04:19:23 PM
Zero shot Rindock even makes honorable mention, youngster is on a downward slope.


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 25, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
      Tomato/Tomoto, Potato/Pototo lets not nit pick here fellas.  I think you all know what I meant when I said blog.  I however am recently newer to writing on this "messaging board" although I have been a pretty frequent reader and follower of the Cent for years now. 

Bored at the office so what a better way to pass time than to make some predictions
Very early predictions for All Cent teams this year?
Mine would have to be
First team:
1.Wiley
2.Federici
3.Yonda
4.Quatro
5.Walsh

Second:
1.Tate
2.Wright
3.Rindock
4.Scibili (if healthy)
5. Baez

HM in no specific order- Rafferty,Mcleod, Janicot(Mardukas would like this one), Eric Williams, Slyka. 

COY- Robinson in other news the sky is indeed blue
POY-Federici as he eclipses the conferences all time scoring record
DPOY- Walsh
MIPOY- Rafferty
Best hair- With the departure of seniors Pete Christ/John Hunter it looks like its time for Dan Vila of Johhny Hop to take the crown.  Young man has quite an impressive head of hair on him
Best story line- With Wiley really starting to take over the conference the comparisons of Killing and Milligan will become more and more realistic.  Similarly to what we are seeing with Lebron/Jordan debates
Message Boarder of the year-Might have to go with Veteran D-mac on this one.  Just seems like his year.
Rookie of the year-Too early to tell.  Not familiar with enough recruiting classes.  TBD
Best Hospitality for a game- Memorial Hall for its plentiful seating, but Dip Zone for its atmosphere
Underachieving team of the year-Dickinson.  With the loss of Brown I think they could struggle also because the need to fill position.  Not easy getting thrown into the fire in the Cent.  Especially with some hostile message boarders(Hoopdog1414,Monix/HopkinsNest7)
Best student body representation- Johns Hopkins.  Man I've seen a few games in Baltimore and those kids are funny but ruthless.  Look forward to catching a few more. 
Matchup of the year-Whenever Swarthmore matches up with The Dips.  Has the potential to be a slugfest of the 2 top dogs
Best Fan- Reserved Seat.  Goes without having to explain

Standings
1.F&M
2.Swat
3.Ursinus
4.Dickinson
5.Mules
6.Mcdaniel
7.Getty
8.Hopkins
9.Fords
10.Washington
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 25, 2017, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 25, 2017, 01:50:24 PM
Ha. Plus k to you.

I don't have much Centennial knowledge pre-2004 but my starting five would be -- Wixted (POY, and versatile player), Milligan (I liked his style at guard), Mike McGarvey (one of the best pure passers in D3), Dennis Stanton (great scorer) and Andrew Powers (Really, really good post at Gettysburg).  Next five are Nick Shattuck in a Manu Ginobli role, Liddic, Danny Nawrocki who had the biggest arms I've ever seen on a D3 basketball player, Ian McCormick and Cam Wiley in the young-gun-who-has-to-carry-the-veterans-bags-to-pay-his-dues role. I'm really high on Wiley and think he'll be a total stud by his senior year.

Oh, and I never saw Killing play but I hope Muhlenberg SID Mike Falk used the headline "Killing them softly" at least once for a basketball recap.

Gordon

I like your list but I think you slightly underestimate Shattuck.  He was a totally selfless player who could have averaged 30 per game instead of 20-21 had he been at all selfish---but he always put team first.  At 6'5" played out of position at the 4 as a senior and was a scoring machine in the paint. Leads the CC in career scoring even though he did not start as a freshman and is a two time POY and All American.  He would be in my starting line up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on May 25, 2017, 07:00:46 PM
Hank I usually agree with most all of your comments but I disagree with the Rindock prediction. Rindock's injury history did not serve him well last year as he was never able to fully hit his stride. A full year of him being healthy and the new fantastic hire by Goff will have this kid as the comeback player of the year and a chance at making first team all cc. I have to say I really like the hire of coach Hopkins and think he will be able to get the most out of his players. This is something that Muhlenberg just hasn't been able to do in the past few years for whatever the reason may be. Many bloggers seem to have different opinions on this subject and I won't say my opinion mainly because I don't want to upset the bday boy but expect Muhlenberg to make a push as a top dog in the cent within the next 5 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on May 26, 2017, 12:40:55 AM


Guys -

In all of this discussion, I am surprised that there was non mention of Chris Finch from the great Diplomat teams of the early 90's?!? Just food for thought and discussion. But, then again, maybe I am just showing my advanced age. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 26, 2017, 09:23:07 AM
Slow start at work today so I figured I would fire up another brain child of mine... as many of you know I obsess over the world of theoretical so here are some trades I think could benefit some teams if the Centennial commish ever allows these type of off season activities.

Players not having contracts makes this kind of activity quite difficult so I have formed my own grading system that will make this compatible.

Players will be rated 1-5 (5 being the best)"

5- Absolute stud. Franchise player that you can build a team around, nearly untouchable.
NBA comparison: Kevin Durant
Cent Comparison: Brandon Federici

4- All start, but not impossible to get moved at a deadline to improve a team.
NBA comparison: Isaiah Thomas
Cent Comparison: Elijah Wright

3- Above average role player who still carries trade value and can help a contender.
NBA comparison: Trevor Ariza
Cent Comparison: Brian "Please Dont Touch My Raf" Rafferty

2- Likely a throw in player to a bigger name, usually a young guy who at least carries some optimism.
NBA comparison: Patrick McCaw
Cent Comparison: Danny Duffey

1- True throw in player, usually just a dump for a team.
NBA comparison: Joel Anthony
Cent Comparison: Anyone not lettering for their respective sqaud.

In my head some centennial boosters have really stepped up an donated big time money and got a tv deal with ESPN 3. This gives each team $100,000 to deal with in the off season or give illegally to players as a form of motivation.

Here is my inaugural block buster trade that I can see going down:

Franklin and Marshall College: Joe Scibelli (5 star)
                                $5,000

Haverford College: Ignas Slyka (4 star)
                              Lionel Owona (3 star)
                              Mike Rice Jr. (1 star)

In Federici's final season he is going to need a superstar to help him carry the offensive role. This pushes Tate back into a roe as a tertiary scorer allowing him to lock down on defense more. After two seasons of playing on a plummeting team Scibelli is ready for a new look, despite Doherty taking the helm. Though it seems Haverford is dumping a lot in their best player they are addressing immediate needs. Since Brett Cohen graduated about 6 years back the Fords havent had a strong big man who can board up. Despite being somewhat of a disappointment thus far, Owona gives them a veteran physical presence in his last year. He also has a ring. Think Kendrick Perkins. Additionally they get the ROY in Slyka to expand their winning window and give Doherty a centerpiece to recruit around. Lastly Mike Rice Jr. is more so like trading for a name. Austin Rivers effect.

I feel like this trade would give F and M a good shot at another title and create some excitement in Havertown. I hope others will join in on some trade banter as I can only wish this becomes a reality.
                             
                             
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on May 26, 2017, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on May 25, 2017, 01:20:41 PM
Here is my all time centennial roster if I have to play a basketball game against the martians to save the earth from mass destruction. (Bill Simmons idea)

Starters:
Malique Killing: fearless leader who may be able to win this game by himself. Can score from all three levels of the court and is a pure winner when dialed in.
Georgio Milligan: Impossible to press and a relentless on ball defender, him and Killing could be a two man press while also providing 50+ points of high powered offense.
Brandon Angradi: unconscious shooter who can space the floor for the prior two guards. Tough shot maker who will be unaffected by the mythical wingspan of these aliens. It will be an issue if kawhi leonard shows up at the game as it is proven he's not actually human.
Spencer Liddic: bruising 4 who will exert sheer will into the glass and become a walking double double. As consistent as the Cent has ever seen. Abington product.
Gerry Wixted III: Small ball center who can space the floor and score in a number of ways. Can afford the lack of rebounding here because Liddic will be busy pounding the glass like a drum. Makes for a dynamic offense.

Bench:
Alec Stavetski: perfect replacement for the inevitable finger sprain for Angradi. 4 point play machine. Jamal Crawford.
George Bugarinovoc: poor mans Liddic as he will terrorize the martians glass as well. Impressive mid range game and he is a doctor so he might be able to fix Angradis finger.
Gibby Graves: do it all forward who can play 4 positions and defend 5. This may be a stretch but I have to give Haverford some love since they couldn't land McClary.
Cam Wiley: Malique Jr. Simple as that.
Rob Walsh: only true shot blocker on the roster but can be a big time deterrent at the rim. Look for him to play 15 minutes and block 2-3 shots. Efficient.

Coach: Scott McClary. Let's be real, would this blog be a thing without that guy? I would trust him with this squad to defend the earth. A well balanced offense and array of crafty defenses makes McClary the only true candidate to coach the Centennials best.

Disappointed, but not surprised at all, to see the Moune and Gyokchan snubs. Cedric was by far a way better shot blocker and scorer then Rob Walsh. Far superior athletle and more athletic, you're going to claim Diplomat bais but the stats prove it. Gyokchan could flat out score the ball in his sleep, no need to further expand on this point.

You clealry are incompetent in your Cenntenial confrence all-team observation. JUST PATHETIC. SHAMEFUL. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 26, 2017, 12:15:42 PM
Gabriel:

I appreciate the thoughts on Shattuck. He was awesome in that run to the Final Four.

In your opinion, who was better -- Stanton or Shattuck?

Also, check out this story.  Wicked Smart!

http://www.hopkinssports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/052617aaa.html
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 26, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
Gordon,

Close call---- but I'll take Shattuck as the better all around player.  He was a better rebounder, defender and passer.  Dennis was a terrific scorer and still holds several individual CC records.  Nick tended to focus on getting  team mates involved more.   But ------ he could ramp it up as needed to carry his team.  Slick around the basket but Dennis was the better 3 point shooter.  Two games stick in my mind.  First UC @Swat in Dec 2007---Bears trailed by 12 at the half against a very good Swat team.  Bears were terrible so Shattuck took over in the second half---scored 25(as I remember) of his 32 points and led team to a 68-59 victory.  Second most memorable game that year was at Dickinson---Bears down by 2 (41-39) at the half against a very solid Dickinson team.  Shattuck took over in the second half scoring a total of 46 points for the game in leading the Bears to a 93-79 win. 

McGarvey on the other hand, still holds conference records in assists and steals. An underrated defender he was the best I have seen in the CC at looking off his defender and knocking down threes.  Not bad for someone barely 5'7".
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on May 27, 2017, 10:56:41 AM
Early morning on the beach still waiting for the wife to hurry up so figured I'd toss another trade out there that I could see benefitting the Centennial:

Muhlenberg College: Josh McWilliams (4 star)

McDaniel College: Owen McLeod (3 star)
                           Ryan Gaynor (2 star)

The Mules have lacked a go to scorer since Killing departed for the real world and McWilliams can be that guy for Kevin Hopkins for two years. A consistent 15+ a night out of him will bring a level of consistency the Mules haven't seen in years. McLeod can provide some similarity in production just without the volume of offense. Probably a defensive upgrade here.

Gaynor is the key part of this package as he can flourish into a dominant player at some point and be a true scorer off the Green Terror bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 29, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 25, 2017, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 25, 2017, 01:50:24 PM
Ha. Plus k to you.

I don't have much Centennial knowledge pre-2004 but my starting five would be -- Wixted (POY, and versatile player), Milligan (I liked his style at guard), Mike McGarvey (one of the best pure passers in D3), Dennis Stanton (great scorer) and Andrew Powers (Really, really good post at Gettysburg).  Next five are Nick Shattuck in a Manu Ginobli role, Liddic, Danny Nawrocki who had the biggest arms I've ever seen on a D3 basketball player, Ian McCormick and Cam Wiley in the young-gun-who-has-to-carry-the-veterans-bags-to-pay-his-dues role. I'm really high on Wiley and think he'll be a total stud by his senior year.

Oh, and I never saw Killing play but I hope Muhlenberg SID Mike Falk used the headline "Killing them softly" at least once for a basketball recap.

Having seen McGarvey, Stanton(loss to Scranton), Powers, McNally, and Milligan in NCAA tourney action(other half of regional doubleheaders involving Scranton), I'd probably pick Milligan as the best over Powers in this group; to be fair, McGarvey was only a freshman when I saw him.

ronk,

The game you are referring to is one Ursinus fans are still upset about.  Ursinus had one of its better teams in 2002-2003 and won the CC regular season at 13-0 and the post season  beating F&M in an O/T thriller for the championship.  Bears were first seed in the region but could not host because the AD at the time failed to file with the NCAA to host---hence the game was played at Scranton vice Collegeville.  Bears paid the price losing to Scranton 77-75 in front of 1,800 mostly Scranton fans.  Bears led most of the game and Scranton began fouling in the second half.  The strategy worked because many of the Scranton fans were directly behind the Ursinus backboard waving whatever they could get their hands on. The result, the Bears made only 8 of 20 (40%) of their free throws.  Steve Erfle was a main target and made only 5 of 11 as he and the ever reliable Dennis Stanton missed key free throws in the closing minutes.  I don't fault the strategy but fault the Ursinus AD for failing to file to host at Ursinus. Think the outcome would have been much different---but--we'll never know will we.

Regarding Mike McGarvey,  yes he was a freshman and he kept Ursinus in the game with 19 points including 5 of 6 three pointers as well as 5 assists and 3 steals. Dan Luciano (CC POY) had a sub par game.  Tough game to sit through as a Bears fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on May 29, 2017, 02:55:52 PM
Gabriel,
    Agree that the outcome was affected by the Ursinus admin decision; one fears when contests are affected by unearned consequences of such external factors unrelated to play of the participants.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 31, 2017, 02:01:07 PM
       Interesting you say that @GoDiplomats about Moune.  I almost forgot about him when thinking about an all time Cent team.  I think he should definitely be considered and absolutely be regarded ahead of Walsh.  Nothing against Walsh as I enjoy the way he mans the paint, but Moune was another breed.  Cedric could dominate a game on both ends of the court leading his team to some very successful seasons.  Moune to me seemed to fly under the radar with his quiet demeanor, but dont under estimate his legacy.  I think he was also apart of the reason why Federici was able to play so freely and comfortable his freshman year making the acclimating process a lot easier.  That and along with Centennial Popovich's system that he continuously runs and gives opponents fits.  Hey @Red,  I think it was you who mentioned earlier about your relation to Cedric?  If thats the case, and you don't mind me asking, what is the relationship and also what is Cedric doing with himself in his post centennial era?

Corp.Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on June 01, 2017, 03:08:28 PM
Don't forget Cedric played basically one-handed his senior year due to a shoulder injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on June 02, 2017, 10:49:41 AM
            @Reserved Seat, very true I almost forgot about that.  Just another reason why I believe he could have made an impact at a higher level. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on June 03, 2017, 01:18:34 PM
This is my first post in a while, I've been at my cabin at Lake Wallenpaupack with the family, including all 9 of my Grandchildren. We had a family 3-legged race and each team was a different school, and this was the finishing lineup.

1. Gettysburg
2. Haverford
3. McDaniel
4. Muhlenberg
5. Franklin and Marshall
6. Dickson
7. Swat
8. Washington
9. Hopkins
* Unfortunately we did not have enough people to complete the entire cent, so Ursinus was not represented. I understand this has nothing to do with current Cent news but loved this idea and wanted to share it with my fellow fans of the Cent.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on June 09, 2017, 11:10:45 AM
      @Hank, seems like a direct correlation of what the season will look like to me  ;).   On another note, just curious to see if any of you fellow message boarders are following the NBA finals?  I could not be more disappointed in Tristan Thompson.  Getting out rebounded by a guy who is in the middle of his adolescent years (Curry).  Seems like I found another direct correlation: Anytime a Kardashian starts dating a player, their play starts to tail off.  Thoughts and opinions encouraged.

Corp.Out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on June 11, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
Interesting take Corp.

Wonder what would have happened to Wixted if he got tied into a Kardashian back in his POY season of 2014-2015.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on June 12, 2017, 11:29:46 AM
            Interesting that you say that @hopkinsnest.  Though I was a fan of that Dickinson team I didn't get to many games.  I was able to catch some on my desktop for the most part.  The one game I was at was the Dickinson vs Mules showdown in Carlisle(my brother Igor lives not far outside of Carlisle).  I think if Wixted would have been involved with a Kardashian that season an accurate representation of what his year would have looked like would have been the product he put on the floor that night when he was faced against Centennial Super athlete Brandon Larose.  Larose held him to 4 points I believe and completely disrupted his rhythm.  Wixted, a great player of course, still no match for a Kardashian curse.  Nobody is immune to the old Kardashian Curse.  The Red Devils still won the game because of the great supporting cast they threw together along with coach Seretti's 5 out or 4 in 1 out system that they run.  Was way too much for the Mules to handle on that night(Collins,Cox,Angradi,Hinnencamp). Can obviously see why they won when they throw out 2 of @hopkinsnest All Time Centennial team players out there.   Say, anyone know what Gerry is up to now in his postgrad years?  Heard a couple different things.  Not sure if anyone has ties to Gerry or Dickinson but I was just curious.  Heard that he was going to Culinary school, he was playing somewhere, he was a teacher, and even going to grad school to get his bartender license.  Hopefully one of you can clear it up for me considering those are 4 totally different things. 

Corp.Out
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on July 07, 2017, 01:32:20 PM
Loeffer announces his staff. Great list of 3 coaches. Still no hires for Muhlenberg...Maybe he is in the 4th round of interviews
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 12, 2017, 08:37:47 AM
Here's something for our Johns Hopkins fans or anyone else interested in what 2015 Jostens Trophy winner George Bugarinvoic is up to.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/07/atn-bugarinvoic
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 26, 2017, 03:33:19 PM
MBB schedules for 2017-18 are starting to trickle out.  Don't know why coaches are so reluctant to promulgate them early since they schedule at least two years out---- but---- they are.

Dickinson's schedule looks to be challenging.  They open the season at the Great Lakes Invitational hosted by Marietta College and play
St. Thomas and Mount St. Joseph.  Their other five non conference games are Christopher Newport, Lebanon Valley and Susquehanna on the road and home games against York and Misericordia.   

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 27, 2017, 12:57:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on July 26, 2017, 03:33:19 PM
MBB schedules for 2017-18 are starting to trickle out.  Don't know why coaches are so reluctant to promulgate them early since they schedule at least two years out---- but---- they are.

Dickinson's schedule looks to be challenging.  They open the season at the Great Lakes Invitational hosted by Marietta College and play
St. Thomas and Mount St. Joseph.  Their other five non conference games are Christopher Newport, Lebanon Valley and Susquehanna on the road and home games against York and Misericordia.

Not all coaches actually get their schedules done two years in advance. When running the Hoopsville Classic, I'd say most coaches we reached out to didn't know the start of their seasons (before conference play) even a year in advance.

Also, changes happen all of the time. I can't tell you how many times I hear coaches telling me about changes or things adjusting even in May and June leading up. You will find the open dates section of the boards rather interesting to read.

And the final factor is when the SID is able to get around and start pushing things towards the next season. They have a lot of work to do even in the summer (when it is also about the only time SIDs can get any time off at all), so sometimes schedules aren't that big a priority until they have the fall taken care of.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 27, 2017, 02:35:10 PM
FWIW, as Centennial schedules are entered by schools, we have them posted on our site.  I'm going through the death march of creating team and conference pages. It's an alphabetical death march so the Centennial Conference is done.

http://d3hoops.com/teams/Haverford/Men/2017-18/index
http://d3hoops.com/teams/McDaniel/Men/2017-18/index
http://d3hoops.com/teams/Washington_College/Men/2017-18/index
http://d3hoops.com/teams/Franklin_and_Marshall/Men/2017-18/index
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 27, 2017, 03:15:38 PM
Swarthmore 2017-18 schedule posted.  Non conference games at home with Hood, Misericordia, and Framingham State and on the road with Albertus Magnus, Del Valley, York and Middlebury.  Looks like another challenging schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on July 29, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 27, 2017, 02:35:10 PM
FWIW, as Centennial schedules are entered by schools, we have them posted on our site.  I'm going through the death march of creating team and conference pages. It's an alphabetical death march so the Centennial Conference is done.

http://d3hoops.com/teams/Haverford/Men/2017-18/index
http://d3hoops.com/teams/McDaniel/Men/2017-18/index
http://d3hoops.com/teams/Washington_College/Men/2017-18/index
http://d3hoops.com/teams/Franklin_and_Marshall/Men/2017-18/index
F&M's schedule page shows the Dips opening tournament at home (11/17, 11/18):
http://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2017-18/schedule

which makes sense since they always do and none of those tournament teams are in Harrisburg

Looks like your page pulled from Bethany's schedule which for some reason has the tournament in Harrisburg and not @F&M in Lancaster.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 31, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
Thanks.

My guess is that the person who entered it from Bethany made a mistake on F&M's location. It's fixed now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 31, 2017, 06:12:14 PM
Just an FYI to everyone per schedules ... especially this time of year, things like these glitches happen all of the time. The advantages of systems like Presto's is that the ability to pull from a number of sources to help every one (our sites, schools, conferences, NCAA) sometimes results in things being a little jumbled at first. They are usually cleared up as SIDs and others go through things with a fine-toothed comb. Right now, SIDs aren't overly focused on basketball for good reason. They will soon enough and things like these get cleared up. Bear with the system :).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 21, 2017, 12:09:37 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/la-salles-matt-paulus-reminds-us-that-good-people-still-exist-20170819.html

Great article from the Inquirer. Matt Paulus is an incoming Ursinus recruit from LaSalle.  Obviously a high character young man.  He joins two other LaSalle alums on the Ursinus team----Ryan McTamney and Shane Stark who were his teammates.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 22, 2017, 06:03:55 PM

I'll just put in another plug - the Centennial Conference launched a Roku channel last spring - it consolidates all of their athletic broadcasts and makes it much easier to view them on your TV.  I appreciated it greatly for basketball and I suspect you all might care about more than just one sport - it's a great thing to check out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 22, 2017, 06:08:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 22, 2017, 06:03:55 PM

I'll just put in another plug - the Centennial Conference launched a Roku channel last spring - it consolidates all of their athletic broadcasts and makes it much easier to view them on your TV.  I appreciated it greatly for basketball and I suspect you all might care about more than just one sport - it's a great thing to check out.

Just FYI - the Centennial Conference actually went through an examination of their streaming provider and such over the summer. They are, at this time, staying with Stretch who was actually the one who put the Roku channel together... but they are not the only ones to do it. They just finally did it (Stretch).

Anyway... we shall see how this year starts and works out. This is a complicated thing some times despite it being easier than people realize. The Roku (or any of these options) sometimes don't execute like one expects.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on August 28, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

"I can confirm that recently hired Muhlenberg assistant Conor Smith is on the move again, and will land as the full-time assistant on the staff at Allegheny. Smith, who was hired earlier this summer on new head coach Kevin Hopkins staff at Muhlenberg, has also been an assistant at NYU and SUNY New Paltz."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 29, 2017, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: TeamMonix on August 28, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

"I can confirm that recently hired Muhlenberg assistant Conor Smith is on the move again, and will land as the full-time assistant on the staff at Allegheny. Smith, who was hired earlier this summer on new head coach Kevin Hopkins staff at Muhlenberg, has also been an assistant at NYU and SUNY New Paltz."

That's some deep dirt there.  We'll see how it pans out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 29, 2017, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 29, 2017, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: TeamMonix on August 28, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

"I can confirm that recently hired Muhlenberg assistant Conor Smith is on the move again, and will land as the full-time assistant on the staff at Allegheny. Smith, who was hired earlier this summer on new head coach Kevin Hopkins staff at Muhlenberg, has also been an assistant at NYU and SUNY New Paltz."

That's some deep dirt there.  We'll see how it pans out.

The dirt is simple... the new opportunity is full time... the Muhlenberg chance was part-time. Anyone want to do that math themselves?

I actually talked to Kevin Hopkins about this when I saw it. This is very common in college basketball, especially Division III. When a full-time opportunity is available, you can't turn those down when you are working a part-time one (or rather, working full-time but being paid part-time).

So no dirt here at all. And TeamMonix continues to think he knows what is actually happening when in reality he is just stirring the pot. From what I was told, the team and staff loved Conor Smith who was happy to be at Muhlenberg, but a better financial opportunity presented itself. Believe it or not, this happens all of the time at this level. It is the biggest reason I can't keep track of assistant coaches on a yearly basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
If the assistant wants to make more money he should get out of coaching.  He left Muhlenberg after 2 months to work for a D3 program that hasn't had a winning season since 2009.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 29, 2017, 02:30:34 PM
Ha. Yeah... because the difference in part-time and full-time is strictly money. When a job is full-time, it comes with benefits like health insurance and much more. Part-time, not so much. For being as "all-knowing" as you claim to be Monix, you also come across as clueless. It isn't always about money and I am sure if you actually picked up the phone and called Kevin Hopkins to ask him yourself - or heck, even Conor Smith - you might actually get the answer you need. Instead, you continue to snip from being a keyboard with no cares of actually educating yourself before opening your mouth starting to type.

Feel free to try and twist this around all you want, but as one who has had to work his fair share of part-time jobs and is in the situation of needing a full-time job for other reasons no matter what the pay may be... I can relate. Maybe you cannot and that is too bad... but it isn't always about money. Heck, it might pay better as well... but I am never going to begrudge an assistant coach, or even a head coach, who leaves for a better paying gig that offers benefits over one that doesn't at any time or place.

Move on for the sake of everyone and grind your axe some where else. I probably speak for most that your personal vendetta is tiresome and lost any sense of humor a long time ago. The program doesn't deserve your constant snark nor does the coaching staff... no program or staff deserves it especially when they are starting out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
I only wish you were this passionate to all the bloggers on this site who made McClarys life living hell.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 29, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
I only wish you were this passionate to all the bloggers on this site who made McClarys life living hell.

Wow... we finally find the reason for the ire. Sorry you had such a bad experience. I had a coach who I didn't enjoy... but I don't drag him through the mud on the soccer boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
You read what I said wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 30, 2017, 07:49:17 AM

My question is why the guy at Allegheny (a 2016 graduate) would leave?  I didn't see him announced anywhere else.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 30, 2017, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 29, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
I only wish you were this passionate to all the bloggers on this site who made McClarys life living hell.

Wow... we finally find the reason for the ire. Sorry you had such a bad experience. I had a coach who I didn't enjoy... but I don't drag him through the mud on the soccer boards.

Quote from: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
You read what I said wrong.

I guess I did... but then again, where was the last post from someone you describe?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 30, 2017, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 30, 2017, 07:49:17 AM

My question is why the guy at Allegheny (a 2016 graduate) would leave?  I didn't see him announced anywhere else.

First, he (Brandon Smith) appears to be a '17 graduate according to the bio I found online: http://alleghenygators.com/coaches.aspx?rc=800&path=mbball - though, I have seen him listed as '16 in other publications.

And it looks more complicated than that... appears while Allegheny hasn't updated it's "Coaching Staff" link, they made this hire in May: http://alleghenygators.com/news/2017/5/24/Brian-Urso-Joins-Mens-Basketball-Staff.aspx. Interestingly, under the "Staff Directory" neither Urso nor Smith is listed. Nor is the new hire mentioned.

I can't tell if he is still there, if Urso left, if they have added a second full-time position (doubtful). I think it appears Smith was already gone, but I can't figure out where he went, either.

This is a terrific example of why trying to follow assistant coaches and their stopping points can be extremely difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TeamMonix on August 30, 2017, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 30, 2017, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 29, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
I only wish you were this passionate to all the bloggers on this site who made McClarys life living hell.

Wow... we finally find the reason for the ire. Sorry you had such a bad experience. I had a coach who I didn't enjoy... but I don't drag him through the mud on the soccer boards.

Quote from: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
You read what I said wrong.

I guess I did... but then again, where was the last post from someone you describe?

Look at this message board all last season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 30, 2017, 03:45:08 PM
I think you confuse conversation for something else.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on August 30, 2017, 10:38:02 PM
It is fairly clear here that Muhlenberg is having an unusually difficult time transitioning from the McClary era to the new regime. Hopkins inability to lure a big name assistant from an established program leaves a level of pessimism for the young Mules.

Dave- The only reason this blog was relevant the past few years has been to attack the most controversial coach in the conference: Scott McClary

McClary fed off of acquiring high profile recruits, with unpredictable personalities: Killing, Rindock, Hargrove etc. This risk will eventually lead the clown show this blog has become. McClary could not handle the heat in the kitchin, thought H ford might take a risk on him to spark plug a dull program but sadly I was proven wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 31, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on August 30, 2017, 10:38:02 PM
It is fairly clear here that Muhlenberg is having an unusually difficult time transitioning from the McClary era to the new regime. Hopkins inability to lure a big name assistant from an established program leaves a level of pessimism for the young Mules.

Dave- The only reason this blog was relevant the past few years has been to attack the most controversial coach in the conference: Scott McClary

McClary fed off of acquiring high profile recruits, with unpredictable personalities: Killing, Rindock, Hargrove etc. This risk will eventually lead the clown show this blog has become. McClary could not handle the heat in the kitchin, thought H ford might take a risk on him to spark plug a dull program but sadly I was proven wrong.

First off - Hopkins lost a pretty good assistant from New Paltz due to the fact it was a full-time job at Allegheny. If Muhlenberg wants to improve, one thing to consider is having the main assistant job full-time. Certainly it is not something that is in the majority, but it very common in Division III. To the idea that Hopkins had to lure a big-time assistant (in who's opinion are they big-time, by the way; most big-time assistants are moving to head coaching jobs... you know... like Hopkins himself or McHugh this year!) to Muhlenberg and the idea that you think that is possible with a part-time gig means you may be living in a dreamer's world. That isn't on the coach to improve, that is on the administration both at the athletic and college levels. I will never fault a coach for not being able to hold an assistant who wanted to be there... because a full-time gig came along. Nor do I think anyone else should.

Secondly - of course transitions are rough. There are very rare occasions when things continue to move in a positive direction. There are always lulls or dips even if they are minor. However, to try and question Muhlenberg for this when the program has been struggling both internally and externally for awhile is a bit odd. Hopkins isn't going to change the entire thing overnight and especially before the first season begins.

As for the reason this "blog" (it is actually called a chat board... blogs are like the things I post my Top 25 ballots on each week) is for attacking McClary, then you and and others have missed a vast majority of the posts each season talking about all the teams especially Hopkins, Gettysburg, and everyone's favorite... F&M. Maybe you and other's sole purpose is to bash McClary, but that certainly wasn't the purpose for the rest of us... many of which have been on these boards for 15 or more years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 31, 2017, 01:25:28 PM
BTW - I did hear Urso, who had been hired at Allegheny in May, took a D1 job. So... interestingly, the reason Conor Smith took the Allegheny job is the exact same reason it was open in the first place... the coach previously hired this off-season moved to another job because it was a better opportunity for them - and whatever their reasons are. Welcome to the life of an assistant coach and the revolving door in which coaches are hired. It is how it works, even in Division I. Nobody's fault no matter how hard anyone would like to blame people. Move on with something more important.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on August 31, 2017, 06:03:21 PM
Breaking News out of Allentown: Mules will return assistant coach Ryan Finch to replace the recently departed Connor Smith. Finch had recently assumed the role of pioneering an up and coming high school project down in south jersey but inevitably returned to his home in the centennial.

Finch was a McClary henchman for many years, but left after a dispute involving a post game meal in 2013. Seemingly Finchs loyalty is with Muhlenberg and not McClary as he will bring valued experience to the young Kevin Hopkins. In my opinion this is an essential get to return order to the Mule Barn, a great day for players and cent fans in general, congrats Ryan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on September 01, 2017, 12:39:37 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
If the assistant wants to make more money he should get out of coaching.  He left Muhlenberg after 2 months to work for a D3 program that hasn't had a winning season since 2009.

I don't know whether there's more to this particular story or not, but this might be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read here. Would sticking around have been noble? Perhaps. But every single dollar (and certainly the benefits) makes a difference to most people - especially young people starting out.

"If the assistant wants to make more money he should get out of coaching." That's just ... I mean ... seriously? Maybe every coach should just volunteer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 01, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: sunny on September 01, 2017, 12:39:37 PM
Quote from: TeamMonix on August 29, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
If the assistant wants to make more money he should get out of coaching.  He left Muhlenberg after 2 months to work for a D3 program that hasn't had a winning season since 2009.

I don't know whether there's more to this particular story or not, but this might be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read here. Would sticking around have been noble? Perhaps. But every single dollar (and certainly the benefits) makes a difference to most people - especially young people starting out.

"If the assistant wants to make more money he should get out of coaching." That's just ... I mean ... seriously? Maybe every coach should just volunteer.

Completely agree. +k
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on September 04, 2017, 10:35:54 PM
Long time no blog for Corp, but I'm back just like the rest of the Cent student athletes. 
   
    News about Connor Smith is interesting, but you can't blame the guy.  A full time position is something you cannot pass down when you're in the position that connor is in as a young aspiring NBA coach.  Speaking of NBA coaches maybe @hopkinsnest can bring back the ridiculously stupid, but entertaining theory that Jeff Van Gundy will appear in the Cent in hopes of manning one of the sidelines.   

       Hope all of you stayed safe from Harvey if any are from Houston. 

Is it even d3boards if @monix doesnt try and critique every move by the Mules?  We all understand your loyalty to Coach Mclary, but that has nothing to do with Hopkins.

I'm considering going on a Centennial fall tour this year and stopping by all of the campuses in hopes of catching a pick up game or 2.  I can't achieve top message boarder without doing some work for it right? Cent ball is right around the corner and I cannot wait to see how each developing storylines unfold

Corp out 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 12, 2017, 11:18:09 AM
So... just been informed that Kevin Hopkins hired Jake Brown from Middlebury as the next assistant coach. I am sure that will be considered a horrible hire by someone on here or twist it in someway. However, to the rest of us who are sane... that is a nice hire. I liked Brown as a player. Clearly a coach on the court on top of a solid offensive option.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on September 12, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
I like the hire of Jake Brown too Dave. Played his high school basketball in the northeast pa where he played aau under the great mentor of John Bucci. Bucci has a great basketball mind as well as being able to push his players and get the most out of them. Jake also played for Jeff Brown at Middlebury where they won a chip and I believe he also is Jake's uncle so the coaching has got to be in his blood there. Just over a month until the teams get on the grind and about two months until they start showing what they can truly do. The wait is killing me but at least we have football back!!!! Let's go jags!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on September 13, 2017, 03:54:45 PM
Agree with both Dave and Red.  I like the hire for the Mules.  Seems like its been a crazy last 6 months for the Mules good to see that they have 2 new coaches and that they can put their best foot forward moving on into the future of the program.  Very intrigued to see if the following for the mules will be affected by the dismissal of coach Mcclary.  I'm loooking forward to catching a few games in Allentown this year for sure.

Corp out 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 14, 2017, 12:02:13 PM
Quote from: Red Onwuatuegwu on September 12, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
I like the hire of Jake Brown too Dave. Played his high school basketball in the northeast pa where he played aau under the great mentor of John Bucci. Bucci has a great basketball mind as well as being able to push his players and get the most out of them. Jake also played for Jeff Brown at Middlebury where they won a chip and I believe he also is Jake's uncle so the coaching has got to be in his blood there. Just over a month until the teams get on the grind and about two months until they start showing what they can truly do. The wait is killing me but at least we have football back!!!! Let's go jags!!!

Yes. Jeff Brown is Jake's uncle. I thought I mentioned that, but it appears I accidentally eliminated it on edit.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on September 19, 2017, 12:02:50 PM
Tough one for my Jags against those freaking Titans... Looks like they could be reverting back to their old ways but at least their defense seems to be up and coming! Speaking of defense... I know the best defender in the CC debate brought in many different opinions last year ranging from B-fed to Robbie Walsh to Matthew Tate to Remi "Boyz" Janicot and maybe even Owen McClouds... But I fully anticipate Kyle Doran out of Johns Hopkins to handcuff defenders on the perimeter and in the post. I hate to boost @Hopkinsnest ego but the kid can lock up. He's long enough and athletic enough where I think he's going to take his defensive intensity to a new level this year.

Afterthought*
I know this will not sit well with @Reserved but I don't see F&M getting back to their powerhouse tradition like they used to be after this year is over. G-Rob is sure to be leaving soon and with the losses of this senior class and G-Rob on his way out, look for the Dips to become the new Fords... A bye week at home and a light sweat on the road, but nonetheless an easy victory as long teams aren't out the night before or eating ridiculous pre-game meals such Mcdonalds or Chipotle.

2 more months my fellow fanatics!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on September 19, 2017, 08:12:04 PM
@red
fords will rebuild with new coach; stay tuned
no more automatic win from 2018-19 on when coach gets some of his own recruits playing for him
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 19, 2017, 09:55:32 PM
Red, wait until you see F&M's freshmen.  If they're as good as they look online, Robinson will be around at least 4 more years.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on September 20, 2017, 10:37:58 AM
@Centfan and @Reserved I hope you're both right! I'd love to see the Cent make its way to the upper echelon of division 3 basketball... @Reserved who all did F&M bring in?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on September 20, 2017, 02:50:18 PM
Thoughts on if the Cent should drug test?    ???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on September 20, 2017, 03:58:20 PM
Red, I'll wait until the roster is posted.  They brought in 10 freshmen.  I don't think they'll all make the roster.  Nine of them seem like quality players. (height, athletic, quick). None from Pennsylvania
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on September 23, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
  On my way back Wed from the MD seashore, I took a side trip to a haunt as a youth(Tolchester Beach on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake Bay) and drove by the campus of Washington College in the process. Hadn't known before that Washington is the 10th oldest college in the US. Spared my wife the pleasure of looking at another D3 gym, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 24, 2017, 07:04:27 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 23, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
  On my way back Wed from the MD seashore, I took a side trip to a haunt as a youth(Tolchester Beach on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake Bay) and drove by the campus of Washington College in the process. Hadn't known before that Washington is the 10th oldest college in the US. Spared my wife the pleasure of looking at another D3 gym, though.

You didn't miss anything you couldn't have seen in a HS in 1970.

That sounds harsher than I meant it to.  It's a fine gym.  It works for them.  It's got a pretty great homecourt advantage.  It's just smaller and older.


I live in Middletown, DE - which I'm sure you passed through on the way home.  Next time we should coordinate lunch or something.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on September 24, 2017, 09:55:39 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 24, 2017, 07:04:27 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 23, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
  On my way back Wed from the MD seashore, I took a side trip to a haunt as a youth(Tolchester Beach on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake Bay) and drove by the campus of Washington College in the process. Hadn't known before that Washington is the 10th oldest college in the US. Spared my wife the pleasure of looking at another D3 gym, though.

You didn't miss anything you couldn't have seen in a HS in 1970.

That sounds harsher than I meant it to.  It's a fine gym.  It works for them.  It's got a pretty great homecourt advantage.  It's just smaller and older.


I live in Middletown, DE - which I'm sure you passed through on the way home.  Next time we should coordinate lunch or something.

No, it was back across the Bay Bridge for me since I live in your wife's high school area(Magruder - recalling from a previous chat board exchange). I'll keep the offer in mind if I'll be in the Middletown(DE) area in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 25, 2017, 06:08:04 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 24, 2017, 09:55:39 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 24, 2017, 07:04:27 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 23, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
  On my way back Wed from the MD seashore, I took a side trip to a haunt as a youth(Tolchester Beach on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake Bay) and drove by the campus of Washington College in the process. Hadn't known before that Washington is the 10th oldest college in the US. Spared my wife the pleasure of looking at another D3 gym, though.

You didn't miss anything you couldn't have seen in a HS in 1970.

That sounds harsher than I meant it to.  It's a fine gym.  It works for them.  It's got a pretty great homecourt advantage.  It's just smaller and older.


I live in Middletown, DE - which I'm sure you passed through on the way home.  Next time we should coordinate lunch or something.

No, it was back across the Bay Bridge for me since I live in your wife's high school area(Magruder - recalling from a previous chat board exchange). I'll keep the offer in mind if I'll be in the Middletown(DE) area in the future.

Right.  I forgot you don't live in Scranton, you just live Scranton.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2017, 12:47:25 PM
Hank -- I'm sure that you meant that post that I've removed as a joke but we kinda take allegations and the Terms of Service pretty seriously around here. Don't repeat that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 04, 2017, 05:00:41 PM
F&M has posted a list of its new freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on October 04, 2017, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on October 04, 2017, 05:00:41 PM
F&M has posted a list of its new freshmen.


Really deep class this year!! Hoping the best for the guys with the departure of Fed, Tate, Osley, and Owana after this year. With this guard-heavy class, I'm interested to see who spells the often injured Tate. Mike Rice didn't seem like much all of last year and the highlights from the Les Thomas kid seems to show him as a big athletic guard. Williams, at this point, seems to be the clearcut player to have a similar role as Fed, who I am expecting to have a HUGE year.

I can see GRod going with a start line-up of Tate, Fed, Slyka, McGrath and Ben (that tall no way you can't start him).

Given Robinson recent track record with player retention (i.e.: Gordon Rogo, Matt Wilson, Joe Krong and Wynn Miller to name a few),  hopefully, he can get most of these guys to stay for the long haul. 

LET'S GO DIPS!!!! So sxcited for the season to start up again!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on October 11, 2017, 11:48:29 AM
@GoDiplomats Plenty of reasons for the Dips to be excited this year! After thinking about last year and analyzing some of the recruits coming in I anticipate F&M, Swat, Dickinson, Ursinus, and good ole Johns Hopkins to round out our 5 playoff teams. This is the same as last years playoff teams because I just don't see anybody stepping up and knocking out one of those teams. I like Ursinus to really make a push this year. They battled tough last year and this program has been on the rise. Word has it they have a philly catholic league stud who can flat out ball. With him, Quattro, Williams, Big Joe, and please don't touch my raf, I see them right in the hunt for a conference championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on October 11, 2017, 09:46:36 PM
Hanks prediction for Freshman of the year:

Not many of you may know this name, but I guarantee you all will by week 2 in the Cent. Yes, I am talking about Riverside's own Eric Shun. Shun is entering into his freshman year at McDaniel and is a Prime Time Player. Shun plays a lot bigger than the size he is listed at. I expect him to average 10 and 10 this year. Calling it now, Freshman of the year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 12, 2017, 04:13:16 PM
The Ursinus men's hoops schedule is posted. Bears open at the Lebanon Valley tip off tournament against the College of Staten Island and then play either LVC or the College of New Rochelle.  They play in the Catholic winter tourney in late December against Marymount and then either Catholic or Vassar.  Other non league games are at Rosemont and Scranton and at home against Widener.  Also, of note, the Bears play Gettysburg at the Palestra on Sunday January 14 in a league game.  January 14 will be a full day of Centennial Conference hoops and I hope to be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 15, 2017, 03:50:00 PM
I don't see Ben starting for F&M this year--tall, but raw.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 16, 2017, 03:39:01 PM
Many of you old timers won't recognize the Ursinus bench this year.  As recently as 2013-14 the Bears dressed as few as 7 or 8 players and played a skinny 6'6" guard (Ryan Adams) at center.  This year, barring injury or other attrition, they will dress 16.  The bench will be 11 deep instead of 2 or 3.  Historically, Coach Small has preferred a squad size of 13 or 14 so this is a change.  Also, you will notice that they are tall with 11 of the 16 listed at 6'5" or taller.  The question to be answered is "Can they play?"  With 4 Seniors and 5 Juniors, I think they will be very competitive and should finish in the top five of the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 18, 2017, 10:25:03 AM
F&M will be very young with 9 freshmen and 1 sophomore  on the current roster.  Only 8 of them are listed as 6'5" or taller.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 18, 2017, 03:33:45 PM
Reserved,

In reviewing last year's roster, the Dips should return 9 players although I have heard that Stoma won't return due to concussion issues.  If that's true, that still leaves 8 potential returnees----4 Seniors, 1 Junior and 3 Sophomores.  Am I missing something.  Add in the new Freshmen and that is a big squad.  Whatever, I am confident the Dips will be a top contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 19, 2017, 09:53:58 AM
The new roster currently has 10 freshmen, 1 sophomore, 1 junior and 4 seniors.  I think one of the freshman should be listed as a sophomore--the list is not official yet, so it may be corrected. Stoma is not on the roster.  Sixteen players is a lot for F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 19, 2017, 10:34:52 AM
Reserved, 

Thanks for the update.  I would guess the one sophomore is Slyka who along with Tate, Osley, Federici and Owona should give them an experienced and formidable nucleus.  Ursinus brings in four freshman to go with 12 returnees for 16 as well.  But injuries are inevitable so that number probably gets whittled down as the season progresses. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 20, 2017, 04:45:22 PM
My starting line-up has 2 seniors, a junior, a sophomore and a freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on October 21, 2017, 06:54:30 PM
RS who is the freshman that cracks the starting 5?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 22, 2017, 03:04:01 PM
From what I see, Groll.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on October 26, 2017, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 19, 2017, 10:34:52 AM
Reserved, 

Thanks for the update.  I would guess the one sophomore is Slyka who along with Tate, Osley, Federici and Owona should give them an experienced and formidable nucleus.  Ursinus brings in four freshman to go with 12 returnees for 16 as well.  But injuries are inevitable so that number probably gets whittled down as the season progresses.

As much as I'd love to see Osley touch the floor this year, I don't foresee that being the case. His role this year will be similar to that of Lior Levy last year, a more talented offensive player lesser skilled defender, serving as good senior leadership and mentoring for the young fellas brought in this year. GRob only seems to throw him in games when they are up by an incredible amount of points or when the team is struggling and needs a defensive stopper. I'd love to see him get to run this year but it's highly unlikely. Also, Mike Rice, who I don't think is much of a player, is the only other Sophmore on the team. With the recent additions and upgrades at the G spot, I could see him falling back on the depth chart unless the system proves too much for the younger guys to pick up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on October 26, 2017, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on October 22, 2017, 03:04:01 PM
From what I see, Groll.

Totally agree with you on this RS. I've seen Groll recently he'll be a stud in the frontcourt with McGrath. Having concerns about bench depth for the frontcourt with Owana and Ben, if he as raw as you say he is. Owana hasn't been able to find the basket consistently for the past three years and if Hines is anything like his brother I don't foresee him producing much. While Hines seemed like a great teammate his production and light frame on the court often caused him to be bullied on the court by bigger stronger players. The tape on Ravitz seems to be decent at best. Guards are going to have to step up BIG this year, especially Fed this on both ends of the court. I liked the defensive mentality he had last years if he can sustain that this year he's an easy CC MVP for me.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on October 29, 2017, 05:36:40 PM
I have not made a post in a while but this is something serious:

Pop culture is killing America, and by this I mean our morals and values are completely and utterly WRONG (Thanks Hollywood). When the Atheltic Director of Alcorn State was asked if he would make his players stand for national anthem he stated, "my players will be respectfully standing to honor all the sacrifices that were made for this great country." A week later he was dismissed from his job and I believe this was the reason. People like to make the argument that he did not have the right to force his players to stand. I understand there may be more to this story and I attempted to find out the whole story with my reporting/detective skills. The only other complaint I heard about the AD is that he scheduled a volleyball and basketball tournament on the same day and the volleyball and basketball team use the same court. Yes, he did commit this act multiple times and lost the school a sufficient amount of money, but this is not a fireable act. I believe he was fired for making his athletes stand, which he has the right to do. Marc Zuckerberg doesn't allow apple watches in Facebook's offices because of his fear of Artificial Intelligence, which is a very reasonable fear. The AD is just like a CEO, he was the right to make final decisions and if people don't agree they can transfer! Please sign my petition to Sensor Censorship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 31, 2017, 08:12:54 PM
I respectfully disagree with that 100%! This is a free country and people have died so we can have that freedom. Kneeling during the National Anthem to protest a wrong is not only Constitutionally allowed, it is morally allowed. And, they are not HIS players, they play for the college. Why do you feel the AD has the right to make players stand? What gives him the authority to do that? Hey, if he doesn't like it, he can go to another college. Please don't compare a kid playing a college sport with working for a huge corporation. They don't compare. Leave the kids alone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 01, 2017, 11:41:53 AM
Let me suggest a wonderful book to add to your reading list.  Title "The AMERICAN SPIRIT Who we are and what we stand for" by David McCullough.  I bought copies for each of my grandchildren for their libraries.  It is a book of speeches  Mr. McCullough has given over the past 25 years---mainly at college and university commencements including some DIII schools such as Dickinson.  Per Mr McCullough "Our history, our American story, is our definition as a people and as a nation".  In my opinion, this book should be on every American's reading list and we probably would not be having this kneel/stand debate.  Leave it alone and it too will pass.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 01, 2017, 12:11:51 PM
I love stuff done by David McCullough. I am also a huge fan of his voice over work (as one who does/hopes to do voice over work as well).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Red Onwuatuegwu on November 01, 2017, 07:28:11 PM
Swat fan I see your point but also completely disagree with you. Hank wasn't necessarily arguing whether the players should kneel or stand for the anthem even though you felt the need to turn it into a debate on that matter. I for one actually agree with Hank here as he brings up some very intriguing arguments. The AD hired the coach to do what he believes is in the best interest for the student-athletes and to win games. The coach has the right to make players stand for whatever his reasons are because he was put in that control but if the players can't respect that and want to kneel they can go somewhere else that will gladly take them... and if the AD doesn't agree with the coach's decision he can find a new coach who supports those freedom's and doesn't necessarily care about the unwritten rule of standing for the national anthem to honor the countless number of men and women who have lost their lives to protect the freedoms that we have today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on November 03, 2017, 12:59:01 PM
I'm big on sticking to sports so I would like to veer off of this political conversation and dive into some talk of the hardwood. I don't see any centennial player kneeling because the notably bias centennial coverage would likely not show their protest on film in an attempt to manipulate the outsiders view of cent basketball. That being said, as you all know it took me a little bit to accept that there would be some turnaround in the Mule Barn but I am finally ready to embrace Kevin "Whats Hoppin" Hopkins as the leader in house. Word has stream lined out of Pennsylvanias third largest city that Hopkins has adapted a new approach of analytics. He will try to emulate Mike D'Antonis system and duke it out with opponents in a battle of nuclear offensive power. Now, I know everyone is thiking "D'Antoni could never beat Popovich so how could Hopkins beat Robinson". And to that I answer, Hopkins has an unparalleled winning pedigree that will inevitably lead to a Mules championship within the decade. Look for the Mules to instill the "Mid Range jumper is lava" theory and assault their opponents with a barrage of 3s from the back court and a copious amount of rim rattling slam dunks by the Big German Werheim. I'm smiling just thinkin about it. Mules for the 5 seed. Guarantee it, this will be my only pre season prediction.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2017, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on November 03, 2017, 12:59:01 PM
I'm big on sticking to sports so I would like to veer off of this political conversation and dive into some talk of the hardwood. I don't see any centennial player kneeling because the notably bias centennial coverage would likely not show their protest on film in an attempt to manipulate the outsiders view of cent basketball. That being said, as you all know it took me a little bit to accept that there would be some turnaround in the Mule Barn but I am finally ready to embrace Kevin "Whats Hoppin" Hopkins as the leader in house. Word has stream lined out of Pennsylvanias third largest city that Hopkins has adapted a new approach of analytics. He will try to emulate Mike D'Antonis system and duke it out with opponents in a battle of nuclear offensive power. Now, I know everyone is thiking "D'Antoni could never beat Popovich so how could Hopkins beat Robinson". And to that I answer, Hopkins has an unparalleled winning pedigree that will inevitably lead to a Mules championship within the decade. Look for the Mules to instill the "Mid Range jumper is lava" theory and assault their opponents with a barrage of 3s from the back court and a copious amount of rim rattling slam dunks by the Big German Werheim. I'm smiling just thinkin about it. Mules for the 5 seed. Guarantee it, this will be my only pre season prediction.

Surprised at this part - Scranton has dropped from #3 to #7 behind Allentown, Erie, Reading, and Upper Darby Township.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 03, 2017, 07:20:13 PM
Fake news.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on November 06, 2017, 08:06:15 AM
Any Swarthmore supporters on this board?

Should be a great early season match up between the Garnet and my Albertus Magnus Falcons!

I was just informed that most Centennial schools broadcast over Roku which is a great feature! Very much looking forward to the game!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swatfan#2 on November 06, 2017, 05:46:02 PM
Only three seniors and a single junior--granted the junior is the returning conference player of the year. The question for Swat will be how quickly the freshmen come along. Their non-conference schedule is a significant upgrade. Should be a fun year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 06, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
F&M has the same problem--9 freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 06, 2017, 06:11:05 PM
Welcome to the boards swatfan#2. Enjoy the season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 07, 2017, 06:37:27 AM
Quote from: swatfan#2 on November 06, 2017, 05:46:02 PM
Only three seniors and a single junior--granted the junior is the returning conference player of the year. The question for Swat will be how quickly the freshmen come along. Their non-conference schedule is a significant upgrade. Should be a fun year.

It's those two sophomore bigs I'm most excited about.  Lots of potential there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 09, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
CC preseason poll 
1- Swarthmore 157 points (14 first-place votes)
2- Franklin & Marshall 137 (2)
3- Dickinson 131 (3)
4- Ursinus 116 (1)
5- Johns Hopkins 104
6- McDaniel 68
7- Gettysburg 67
8- Muhlenberg 58
9- Haverford 33
10- Washington College 29
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2017, 11:51:45 AM
No surprises---about what I expected.  However, I am excited to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 02:52:59 PM
Centennial fans... and especially our favorite Muhlenberg fan(s)... the third podcast in the Hoopsville Preseason Podcasts series dropped today and features a conversation with Kevin Hopkins. We talk to Hopkins who has taken over the Muhlenberg program over the summer after a very successful playing career and then assistant coach tenure under Dave Hixon at Amherst.

Hopkins is the second interview in the show which you can find here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/preseason-podcasts

You can also listen to the other podcasts in the series.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on November 14, 2017, 10:14:43 AM
Here is a link to a great video on the preview of the new Mules this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIqBamfvbA

Glad to see all the money from the golf fundraiser went to new practice uniforms!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
I'm really torn between picking F&M at Misericordia! Help me out. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on November 15, 2017, 02:31:46 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
I'm really torn between picking F&M at Misericordia! Help me out. LOL

Oohhh, the Misery!!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on November 15, 2017, 02:45:37 PM
    Hooah! 

      Corporal Hick's long awaited return is finally here.  The Cent is finally back in action tonight and lucky for me I'll be in bethlehem visiting my wife's second cousin "nut hog".  Don't know how he got that nickname but he says thats what they called him back in college....yikes.  I think I may just have to stumble into the Mules vs. Moravian game tonight.  Very eager to see how new Coach, Kevin Hopkins looks to bring his Amherst philosophies with him to Allentown/the centennial.  I'm interested to hear what you other fellow message boarders are excited for?

Looks like we no longer have only 1 salty monix, but 2.   Sad!

With the recruiting class that F&M has brought in to back up superstar Fed, they have to be my personal early season favorite to win the league.  No disrespect to Swarthmore and their team, I think they will be right up there challenging F&M for the conference. 

Very excited to see how Pat Doherty(ex lafayette assistant) reshapes the Fords.  He has got to be excited to get his first go as a head coach even though he would rather have the job that Coach Hopkins has in Allentown.  Fords have a little talent bet they could surprise a few people. 

Game lines:
Hopkins -2.5 vs Marymount
mcdaniel +1.5 on road vs PSU brandywine
WAC +10.5 on road vs Salisbury
F&M -2.5 on road at miz
Haverford -4.5 at home vs PSU harrisburg
Mules +4.5 at Moravian
Swat -12.5 at home vs Hood

LOCK OF THE NIGHT: Mules +4.5 on road vs Moravian

Corp. out.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 15, 2017, 02:49:59 PM
F&M will be relying on their upperclassmen until the freshmen get up to speed.  There's a lot of raw talent, and hopefully it can get up to speed, sooner than later.  Looking to see what Groll does in his first true action.  A few players are banged up.  All of them played in their scrimmage against Messiah, but some of them were not at full speed.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 15, 2017, 03:37:37 PM
 Ursinus opens Friday against the College of Staten Island at the Lebanon Valley Tip Off Tourney and will play again on Saturday----hopefully against LVC.  Bears have the potential to be a major factor in the CC with a nice combination or youth and experience.  We are traveling to Annville for a weekend of hoops and soccer (grandchildren).  Go Bears!

Bears scrimmaged at Cabrini on Friday night in what has been described as very exciting and entertaining scrimmage---many, many lead changes.  Bears came up short with a missed shot at the buzzer and lost 85-84.  I expect to have a better feel for their prospects after watching them this weekend.  This board seems to be focused on Swat and F&M; however, I would not discount Ursinus in any contest this year because we know they will come to compete.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2017, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on November 15, 2017, 03:37:37 PM
Ursinus opens Friday against the College of Staten Island at the Lebanon Valley Tip Off Tourney and will play again on Saturday----hopefully against LVC.  Bears have the potential to be a major factor in the CC with a nice combination or youth and experience.  We are traveling to Annville for a weekend of hoops and soccer (grandchildren).  Go Bears!

Bears scrimmaged at Cabrini on Friday night in what has been described as very exciting and entertaining scrimmage---many, many lead changes.  Bears came up short with a missed shot at the buzzer and lost 85-84.  I expect to have a better feel for their prospects after watching them this weekend.  This board seems to be focused on Swat and F&M; however, I would not discount Ursinus in any contest this year because we know they will come to compete.

I realize it probably isn't happening, but Staten Island is a quality team out of the CUNYAC. More times than not, they are representing the conference in the post-season... and usually decently well. That is a good test for an Ursinus squad I hope is improving.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 15, 2017, 05:46:30 PM
It should be a great season, but, Swat is the clear favorite to win the League. The only think I see stopping them would be injuries. I have not heard a ton about the Freshmen Class, but, everyone I have spoken to is very high on them. Cheers to another great season. One thing I will admit I was wrong about was Landry winning and moving up. It appears he is very happy at Swat and has settled down with his family. That probably isn't good news to everyone else, but as long as he is there, Swat will be hard to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on November 15, 2017, 09:30:36 PM
Watching F&M/Misericordia. F&M looks better than expected.
Also didn't know that we are a nationally ranked opponent. Don't see us in any poll.
Too many turnovers, but with a young team that's to be expected and was better in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on November 15, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
Mules got run out of the gym vs a cross town rival Morvian. Leading scorer was Moreale which was the last recruit McClary brought in. Good luck recruiting any local kids anytime soon!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on November 15, 2017, 10:26:57 PM
AND for everyone scoring at home McClary was 9-1 vs Moravian .... good job CG
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on November 15, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
Forgot your password Monix?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2017, 10:27:18 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2017, 12:48:00 AM
Despite McHugh dislike of Federici's play, Federici showed why he should have been in consideration for preseason All-American.  He played a strong first half from the outside and a strong second half from the inside. There appeared to be no weaknesses in his play tonight.  Guess we have to wait until Washington.   ;D

SMH I love how when one points out things that are counter to another's opinion, it is labeled as "dislike." Give it a break.

I have stated that I am disappointed that Federici hasn't seemed to grow since his freshman year and that he has plateaued. I have also pointed out when I have witnessed Robinson pull him from games due to issues. Nothing I am saying is incorrect and it has been supported, and verified, by many.

I would love to see him improve and regain the potential we all saw his freshman year. He was pretty incredible that season. If he does that this year, I will be happy to see it. If he earns his way, by his play, onto the All-America team, I will applaud him. There is no dislike of him what so ever. I don't dislike players or coaches and I have never said such things.

You may claim he is a pre-season nod, but he hasn't made an end-of-season All-America team once in his career, he has been a second-team All-Region three times in his career (voted on by those who know the region well), and he made the Preseason All-America team once - prior to his Sophomore campaign - based on his Freshman year performance. Not much that can be done with that resume to suddenly push him onto the Preseason All-America team this season.

BTW - I also know that you just like grinding the ax with me. You probably would like to argue the sky is red if I happened to mention it was blue. I am sure if I complimented Federici, you would go out of your way to disagree with that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2017, 11:35:30 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2017, 10:43:35 AM
Try complimenting him. See what happens. :). But that will never happen.  :)

He played really well opening night.  If he gets into the paint more often like that, the accolades will come.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2017, 11:36:26 PM

I'm out in Ohio, so I'll get to see Dickinson twice this weekend.  I'm interested to see what they'll look like this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 17, 2017, 08:25:57 AM
dear swat fan
landry is a wonderful coach and has made great changes to the program...i applaud that
there are a lot of strong coaches in the league now
no worries about landry's potential dominance...one thing we can be sure of is that things change
fans must enjoy success when they can as there is alwyas someone on their way to beating you
enjoy the season
stay tuned...should be a good season
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2017, 10:43:35 AM
Try complimenting him. See what happens. :). But that will never happen.  :)

Pretty sure I complimented him plenty his freshman year... but I am also not going to say something that counters what I watch or certainly see in person. That isn't my job nor my inclination.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 20, 2017, 08:45:36 AM
Haverford wins 2 games in new york at NYU to win the tournament, beating Clark and NYU
Congrats to coach doherty and the Fords


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on November 20, 2017, 10:35:37 AM
Saw that. Haverford put up some impressive offense against NYU. Congrats to the Fords. Dickinson had a good weekend in Marietta Ohio, dropping a close one to St Thomas and getting a convincing win against Mt St Joseph in the second game. The two games were a contrast in challenges as the Tommies brought a lot of size while Mt St Joseph has a small line-up and has to rely on shooting and pressure defense. The Red Devils were able to manage both pretty well on the defensive end and against the smaller team seemed able to get whatever they wanted on the offensive end. St Thomas looked to be a very high level opponent as they took Marietta (who is likely top 5) to OT the next day. Against the Tommies, Dickinson played even in the first half, went down by 13 in the second, then rallied to take a one point lead late. It was anyone's game but the Red Devils fell short at the end. Not a bad start against a quality opponent. In the game against Mt St Joseph, the Red Devils got off to a good start and never looked back. The Mount rallied a couple of times but never seriously threatened. This Dickinson team seems to be playing well for this early in the season which you'd expect to be the case with the experience they bring back this year. The Centennial has gotten off to a good start and this should be a very interesting season. Looking forward to watching the Red Devils from the stands.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on November 21, 2017, 10:17:29 PM
another embarrassing night to be a mule - at least they held the other team under 90 points this time
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 26, 2017, 06:05:14 PM
There is always a large gathering of friends and family around a large table with plenty of food that helps ring in the new basketball season. Many call it Thanksgiving, we tend to call it the second weekend of the Division III season.

And one again the early weeks of the season have not disappointed... nor been lacking surprises.

Preseason Top 25 teams have lost as often as turkeys have been overcooked this holiday week. Teams who have had surprise starts have followed up with continued surprises or more head-scratching results. However, no matter the games and no matter the wins and losses, we are thankful to have the season here and be able to talk about it.

On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to gobble up the leftovers and figure out who was granted their wish after the snap of the wishbone. At the same time, we take the time to recognize a milestone at D3hoops.com: 20 years of being ... D3hoops.com - the home of Division III men's and women's basketball.

Dave also chats with a new dynamic duo in Baltimore. Hope Josh Loeffler and Catherine Bixby are settling into jobs that have seen the same coaches (Bill Nelson and Nancy Funk) in over thirty years.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 PM ET (or On Demand) here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/nov19. You can also listen to the podcast, located to the right, after the show is off the air.

You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Pat Coleman, Editor-in-Chief, D3sports.com
- Tim Sweeney, Hobart men's coach
- Josh Loeffler, Johns Hopkins men's coach
- Katherine Bixby, Johns Hopkins women's coach

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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on November 27, 2017, 09:31:08 AM
glad josh loeffler is in the conference...good young man, loves the game
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on November 27, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
Good win for Dickinson yesterday defeating CNU at their place where they haven't lost in a couple of years. It wasn't the prettiest game but neither was it pretty watching Michigan State disrupt UNC's offense last night. If it's true that defense wins championships...well, time will tell. 3-1 against this level of competition all on the road ain't too shabby a start to the season. Offensively, the Red Devils are getting contributions from every position and guys seem to be finding their roles. I'm excited but of course it's a long season and the conference is off to a good start as well. Should be a fun one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swatfan#2 on November 27, 2017, 11:15:21 AM
Not to look past Muhlenberg, but definitely looking forward to Saturday's match up at Dickinson.  Swat has gotten off to a good start and has shown an ability score the ball.  Some different wrinkles to the offense this year.  However, the perimeter defense is not where it needs to be as teams have scored easier than last year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on November 27, 2017, 11:24:15 AM
SWAT TT Over 124.5
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on November 27, 2017, 11:45:43 AM
With the way Hopkins is teaching the Mules show to play defense ill take the over  :o :o :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on November 27, 2017, 01:40:47 PM
I'm going to have to take the under here. Historically Amherst had been successful after holiday breaks (Mules had 4 days or so) and I expect nothing less than for Hopkins to continue that trend. He does not strike me as a coach who spends his holiday at a dinner table or on his couch. Kinda seems like a guy who thanks his wife for a well cooked meal and takes his gravy right back into his film room to break down a woefully ineffective defense. Look for the Mules to expand the defensive playbook.

As for an over/under I have been monitoring... I know obviously we all crave centennial banter here but it is important to patrol the high school ranks because after all, legends along the likes of Stanton (Ursinus) and Wixted (Dickinson) have to be bred somewhere. Johns Hopkins has some serious recruits down in south jersey so my line I would like to set is the opening game for Saint John Vianney.

I know Monix will love this one...

Saint John Vianney (-4.5) at home vs Red Bank Regional. Man can some of those guys on Red Bank stroke it so this is gonna be a track meet. I got the over/under at 152.5.

Go Blue Jays!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 28, 2017, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: Team First on November 27, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
Good win for Dickinson yesterday defeating CNU at their place where they haven't lost in a couple of years. It wasn't the prettiest game but neither was it pretty watching Michigan State disrupt UNC's offense last night. If it's true that defense wins championships...well, time will tell. 3-1 against this level of competition all on the road ain't too shabby a start to the season. Offensively, the Red Devils are getting contributions from every position and guys seem to be finding their roles. I'm excited but of course it's a long season and the conference is off to a good start as well. Should be a fun one.

Yep, nice win for the Red Devils...they were good defensively and made some big shots at critical times to keep the Captains at bay for much of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on November 28, 2017, 02:27:31 PM
Corn dogs for all fans if the Mules let up 100 points tonight....come hungry!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2017, 09:30:29 PM
We decided to troll ourselves with this week's Around the Region. 

Enjoy. :)

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2017-18/franklin-and-marshall-federici-records
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on November 30, 2017, 10:19:36 AM
I see in the new Top 25 Swarthmore is #12, yet no mention of Swat anywhere in the Daily Dose...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 30, 2017, 01:57:17 PM
That's ok. We want to fly under the radar for as long as possible. Swat looks unbeatable at this point. Their offense took a huge leap forward. Cam is clearly the best player in the league, but Yonda is right there with him. I have not seen a weakness yet this year. They look like they can score 100 every night. Walsh could also end up first team all conference this year as he is doing all the little things you need to win. I see Swat going deep into the NCAA's this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 30, 2017, 04:26:24 PM
SwatFan#1

I remember you saying the same thing about F&M during the Georgio Milligan years.  Tough to go unbeaten and I don't think it will happen this year either.  No doubt Swat is a really good team----but there are others---even in the CC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 30, 2017, 10:26:56 PM
I would bet against Swat going undefeated. Certainly no indictment on them but there is talent at Dickinson who just beat CNU on the road. Hard time discrediting them at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 01, 2017, 06:30:06 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 30, 2017, 10:26:56 PM
I would bet against Swat going undefeated. Certainly no indictment on them but there is talent at Dickinson who just beat CNU on the road. Hard time discrediting them at this point.

The problem for Dickinson is size - they don't have enough.  It's what hurt them against Swat last year.  I brought this up to Seretti at the Great Lakes Invitational - he seems to be getting a little annoyed with those questions.  At least we know they'll have a good game plan - now just to see if they can execute.

Swat has Middlebury on the schedule, right, if my memory serves me?  That'll be a great test for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swatfan#2 on December 01, 2017, 07:22:28 AM
Tale of two halves for Swat last night.  Looked much better defensively in the first half, generating stops that they consistently turned into points on the other end.  Held the Mules to 14 although I'm sure some on this board will credit that to the Mules.  Second half a whole different story as the Mules out-scored their first half total in about six minutes.  Again, very worried about Swat's perimeter defense.  With Walsh, Shafer, and O'Dell, the interior defense and rebounding are there.  Far too easy from three for my comfort.

At Dickinson Saturday which could tell us a bit about both teams.  Tough place to play.  Looking forward to it.

And Swat does play at Middlebury on January 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on December 01, 2017, 08:18:45 AM
The Dickinson/Swarthmore match-up should be a good one....again. Dickinson is not a small team. They have the option of playing a lineup of 6'7", 6'6", 6'5", 6'4" and 6'1" (four seniors and a junior) which we saw for several minutes last night. Dickinson can counter size with ball pressure like they did against St Thomas. That game got away from the Red Devils during one stretch in the second half when they went small and St Thomas played big for a few minutes. But they went really small with four guys under 6'2" on the court at the same time (if my memory serves me right). Regardless, in that game, Dickinson came all the way back to make it a possession game down the stretch. The Dickinson guys aren't heavy but that plays into their defensive pressure scheme. I haven't seen Swat play yet, but I do hear the game will be a battle inside. I'll be there Saturday to see first hand how the match-up plays out. Hopefully the Kline will be rocking!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 01, 2017, 12:46:46 PM
Ursinus let one slip away from them last night losing to F&M 77-69.  Bears led by 14 with under 8 minutes to play and, for whatever reason,  they stopped pushing, turned the ball over too many times and let F&M back in the game. Another case of playing not to lose instead of playing to win.  Give credit to the Dips as they played excellent perimeter defense to shut down Ursinus' guards Eric Williams and Ryan McTamney and rebounded well.  Ursinus' perimeter defense was much better than it had been holding Federici to a single point in the first half.  He did score 21 for the game but that is a reasonable result together with holding Tate scoreless.  Slyka was the difference scoring 28 points including a prayer 3 from near mid-court as the shot clock was winding down in the second half.  A tough loss for the Bears but they showed they can play with one of the top teams in the conference.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 01, 2017, 09:34:55 PM
Yeah, I used the term unbeatable and that was a huge mistake. I don't think they will go undefeated, but I think they will win the league by two games.

I remember saying that about F&M and Georgio, and I still think that was the best DIII team I ever saw. I was at and have been a fan of Ithaca College for 35 years and watched teams there that were really good. None of them were close to Georgio's team. I actually have a funny story to tell about him. My son was just home for Thanksgiving and he came up. My son told me about an out of bounds play F&M ran his Freshman year under the basket. My son was guarding the guy inbounding the pass and backed up to under the basket. He remembers the ball being passed and him looking up only to have Georgio throw it down on him. We had a good laugh over that one. He told me that Georgio had a great sense of humor. One game my son was at the free throw line and Georgio looked over at Porter and said, "Oh boy, he about to drop twenty on you." Even the ref laughed. 

The league is looking very strong this year with many teams better than last year. Anyone else thinking that the new coach at Hopkins is already really good? Cheers all and everyone have a wonderful holiday season!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 02, 2017, 01:02:08 PM
Hi Everyone!
Long-time reader, first-time poster. I am looking forward to a great CC season!

Solid games on the slate today: I think we will learn more about Wash/Gburg after this game and, obviously, Swat/Dickinson will be a good early season test for both.

PICKS:
WASH
F&M
McD
HOP
SWAT

Excited to see how it goes and I look forward to jumping into some discussions here and across the boards!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 02, 2017, 02:23:21 PM
Only pick I would go the other way on is Ursinus @ McDaniel. I don't card if they play it in the Jeff Bezos arena on Mars.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2017, 10:52:10 PM

Dickinson did an admirable job after literally the worst possible start to the game.  Out of the first 20 points scored, they had none of them.  Both of those teams are very strong.  F&M seems to have found something and Hopkins looks pretty good. Might only be one playoff spot up for grabs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 03, 2017, 07:45:13 AM
A bit too early to tell.  Do not discount Ursinus.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 03, 2017, 08:37:59 AM
Little known fact: Quattro and Rafferty from Ursinus and Yonda from Swarthmore played on the same AAU team throughout high school.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2017, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on December 03, 2017, 07:45:13 AM
A bit too early to tell.  Do not discount Ursinus.

So, you're saying there aren't any spots up for grabs?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 03, 2017, 02:21:29 PM
Always tough to play at McDaniel. And Ursinus, while very athletic and skilled, sometimes struggles against teams that are physical on defense. I was so close to being right about the upset!

I agree with Ryan, seems like there are four teams that have things rolling early and have a system in place already. I will be interested to see the other teams grow over the next few months. Ursinus has the horses but can they stay consistent? Gettysburg always gets tougher as their younger guys learn the Princeton system and Washington and Haverford have younger guys playing good minutes, I don't think they will be consistent but they could become dangerous.

Of the top 4, I would say F&M has potential to drop just because they seem the thinnest and most reliant on a couple of players. But there are going to be some good games ahead!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 03, 2017, 05:29:04 PM
Ryan,

What I am saying is everything is up for grabs.  There are not any can't lose teams in the CC.  Do not anoint Swat or Dick or F&M or any other team.  That is why we play the games! I am suggesting----do not ignore the Bears as most have!  I think the preseason predictions were right on----anyone of the top five could win---maybe even the top seven. But preseason predictions are not always right even though I agree Swat is the favorite.  It is no gimme and I am suggesting Ursinus as the surprise team.  They do have a history of being just that and this year they have the horses.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 03, 2017, 08:38:11 PM
I agree Ursinus is a good team and will be competitive but I am not sure how they "have the horses" this year after basically playing the same guys as last year minus Knowles, who was their go-to guy when they needed a bucket in important games last season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 03, 2017, 09:50:14 PM
McTamney and Stark are now sophomores and, you may have noticed, are major contributors.  As freshmen, they were freshmen.  Williams and Quattro are better players than a year ago.  Also, Ursinus has a deep bench---players who can play.  Their offense will be fine. The key is how well they play defensively.

Bears have four promising freshmen, Edwards, Gordon, Olshevski and Paulus , who have not played much but could be factors in January and February.  In my 18 years of following the team, this is the deepest Bears team----not the best----the deepest.

Bears are the last to go undefeated in CC play----13-0 in 2003 (divided conference) and 18-0 in 2008.  Very difficult to do but with solid play and a bit luck, it can be done.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 04, 2017, 12:31:12 PM
Better the Mule You Know, than the Mule You Don't Know:

Right now, the AD at Muhlenberg College has to be re-evaluating his decision to fire perhaps the most the most recognizable face and voice in division III Hoops in Scott McClary. In all fairness, Coach Kevin Hopkins did not recruit any of these slightly above average athletes to Muhlenberg, but he also doesn't know how to utilize them. Nick Rindock continues to not get the ball in the right spots on the court and I can see a feud forming between Rindock and newly hired assistant coach Jake Brown. Rumor has it Brown is the brains in the locker room and is attempting to implement a 1-1-2-1 Press into the Mules defensive strategy. In all my 67 years of watching basketball, I have never heard of this defense but then again, most geniuses are considered crazy at first, just look at Bill Nye. Although Brown is known as a tough no-nonsense coach on the court, off the court he is an accomplished DJ who does a variety of events from Bar Mitzvahs to Weddings, (direct message me for contact information). You can find him on Spotify under the name DJ "Silent Raven-Master of All". In the past Rindock has been known to get into it with members of the coaching staff going back to his high school days at Parkland. My question to Kevin Hopkins is why isn't William Huang and Blake Hlatky in the rotation? These young phenoms deserve an opportunity to showcase their skills and rumor has it they have both been "spark plugs" in practice. Off the court, they are a genuinely good people and Blake is a hell of a violinist. Chances of Coach Brown teaming up with Blake to form a band are astronomically higher than the Mules winning a conference game this year. I expect Rindock out of the rotation and Huang in. Also, Hopkins has to work on his style. McClary strictly rocked designer suits, and Gucci does make suits for tall people.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on December 04, 2017, 12:47:57 PM
Interesting take Hank but your hopeless effort to promote Mule bench players from the inevitable free fall the Mules are experiencing. I sat courtside with my daughters boyfriend last night and we bonded over a nice JHU victory in the nest (66-55). Admittedly I have involved myself in much banter involving Mules and probably have been out of place in the past. It seems as if Corporal Hicks and Mardukas have true inside information about Allentowns most polarizing division 3 basketball team.

I had to look up Hlatky on my daughters search engine and could find nothing of substance. One thing myself and my daughters boyfriend (Geoff) struggled to figure out, was who was actually making the offensive calls for Mules? At times it seemed like Brown was visibly disgusted by the Run n Gun. Being that he is a former point guard (and current DJ) I could see him being a set oriented coach, hopefully this does not lead to a divided locker room.. It will be interesting what side of the locker room the likes of Rindock, Baez and Werheim choose as we reach the bulk of the season.

Anyway that's enough from me, myself and Geoff are going to hit some balls at the golf simulator at DIck's Sporting Goods in Baltimore. It really is astonishing where this new technology has gone. Go Jays!!

Sounds like maybe I can then discover if this is a real person... you are getting a little too close to the home offices and making this easy. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2017, 01:05:46 PM
There are literally four people who have posted from that IP address. Come on, guys. Pick one handle and don't have a conversation with yourself. This isn't 2002.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 04, 2017, 02:06:13 PM
I firmly believe this year that Swat will go as Yonda goes. I truly believe he is an outstanding player who at times last year, didn't want to even attempt a shot. I didn't understand it. This year for whatever reason, he is back to looking for his shot. That makes for a lethal back court. Dickinson looked tough after the first few minutes and did an outstanding job of fighting back. It just takes so much energy to come back from 20 down.

I would love to hear from someone at Hopkins about your new coach. I personally think the guy is outstanding and think you got a steal of coach! I can't wait to see how well he does recruiting.

F&M looks tougher than I thought they would be. They are a bit thin, but again prove that coaching matters.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on December 04, 2017, 02:06:13 PM
I would love to hear from someone at Hopkins about your new coach. I personally think the guy is outstanding and think you got a steal of coach! I can't wait to see how well he does recruiting.

I think Hopkins had the a rare opportunity where any of their finalists would have been a terrific hire - a steal even. I agree with you that Loeffler is a great choice.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on December 04, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
He has already made a splash recruiting with a couple of commitments. Outstanding hire!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 11:56:46 AM
Monix/Return of Monix:

Sarcasm is not easily received via blog. I am in no way a fan of Coach Hopkins and believed the Mules should have hired "in the family". The first candidate I would have liked to see is Former Mules heavy hitter Kort Wickenheiser. He has experience at the Division I level and is a hard-working personable guy who has the ability to recruit and is also tall. Secondly, I would have liked to see Former Mule Point God Matty German take the job. I know the AD was in contact with him but my guess is the sales pitch was not enough. Lastly, I would have liked to see perhaps the most beloved assistant coach in the History of Mules Ball, Ryan "the barracuda" Finch take the job. He currently is coaching overseas in Moscow and would have loved to see him return to Allentown.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 11:56:46 AM
Monix/Return of Monix:

Sarcasm is not easily received via blog. I am in no way a fan of Coach Hopkins and believed the Mules should have hired "in the family". The first candidate I would have liked to see is Former Mules heavy hitter Kort Wickenheiser. He has experience at the Division I level and is a hard-working personable guy who has the ability to recruit and is also tall. Secondly, I would have liked to see Former Mule Point God Matty German take the job. I know the AD was in contact with him but my guess is the sales pitch was not enough. Lastly, I would have liked to see perhaps the most beloved assistant coach in the History of Mules Ball, Ryan "the barracuda" Finch take the job. He currently is coaching overseas in Moscow and would have loved to see him return to Allentown.

Dude - he was talking about Loeffler at Johns Hopkins.

You are trying to hard to stir the pot.

SMH
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 12:03:35 PM
My bad Dave, I had a rough weekend. Should have listened to my therapist who always tells me "don't blog angry". :P
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on December 05, 2017, 12:43:34 PM
It seems that the beginning of the season has unhinged Mardukas in a way that I am yet to see. These irrational rants filled with misinformation and creative nicknames are ruining the spirit and pride that this blog was built on.

As for a little fact check, The Barracuda is coaching high school ball down in South Jersey. Whatever plug informed you that he was out in Moscow might want to double up on a therapy session with you. Had to use my search engine again to remind myself of who Wickenheiser was, I vaguely remember his bruising play in the mid 90s for the Mules. He drew many comparisons to a less psychotic Bill Laimbeer which usually translates well to patrolling the sidelines as a coach (not).

German would have been an interesting pick up, I have never actually seen someone play the game with so much passion, it was inspiring to watch truthfully. After watching the game Saturday I still have faith in Hopkins (Kevin not Johns) as he seems raw but standing 7 feet tall will eventually leave his players no choice but to respect his intimidating physical stature.

Last thought--- Mardukas I plead you to take it easy with these hot takes, the Mules seem to be a hot bed for this blog but with the McClary era behind us I think these blog stupors should be too. I am not one to interfere with your freedom of speech, but on behalf of Dave please try to keep this more positive. When we eventually pay these college athletes then they can be subjected to anonymous criticism from enraged bloggers, but until then this needs to end.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 01:00:17 PM
Hey guy(s)... Pat wasn't kidding yesterday...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 01:01:42 PM
Pat is not the joking type... Haven't we figured that out by now?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2017, 01:03:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 01:00:17 PM
Hey guy(s)... Pat wasn't kidding yesterday...

Well, at least all of the split personalities might have finally figured out that they at least have to use different computers at Muhlenberg to keep up the charade.  ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Shocked you needed to trace my IP to find out that I'm a die-hard Mules fan. Haven't missed a game since 82', Sorry I'm passionate about my community, you should feel this way about Hopkins being from Baltimore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Shocked you needed to trace my IP to find out that I'm a die-hard Mules fan. Haven't missed a game since 82', Sorry I'm passionate about my community, you should feel this way about Hopkins being from Baltimore.

You do realize there are more programs in the Baltimore metro than JHU, right? Also, that some of us work to cover the entire division thus making our "passion" a little less singular. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2017, 01:38:44 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Shocked you needed to trace my IP to find out that I'm a die-hard Mules fan. Haven't missed a game since 82', Sorry I'm passionate about my community, you should feel this way about Hopkins being from Baltimore.

I'm not from Baltimore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2017, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Shocked you needed to trace my IP to find out that I'm a die-hard Mules fan. Haven't missed a game since 82', Sorry I'm passionate about my community, you should feel this way about Hopkins being from Baltimore.

You do realize there are more programs in the Baltimore metro than JHU, right? Also, that some of us work to cover the entire division thus making our "passion" a little less singular. :)

Yeah Dave is a Goucher homer, get it right!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2017, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Shocked you needed to trace my IP to find out that I'm a die-hard Mules fan. Haven't missed a game since 82', Sorry I'm passionate about my community, you should feel this way about Hopkins being from Baltimore.

You do realize there are more programs in the Baltimore metro than JHU, right? Also, that some of us work to cover the entire division thus making our "passion" a little less singular. :)

Yeah Dave is a Goucher homer, get it right!

I think calling me a homer is a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2017, 01:05:46 PM
There are literally four people who have posted from that IP address. Come on, guys. Pick one handle and don't have a conversation with yourself. This isn't 2002.

Now THAT is precious. Do any of the four way split personalities inside of his head realize that the IP address is like laying down the bread crumbs right to the front door? It's 2018 next month people........think!!!!!

Having multiple personalities engaging in conversations inside of your own head is one thing (Watch 'One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest')....................thinking that it will work here is insane (maybe I'm on to something ;) )
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 06:12:44 PM
Lets keep this blog positive men. I am here to discuss sports not have people discuss my home address.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 06:15:42 PM
Yeah, I agree with you Hank, we should stick to Sports!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 06:12:44 PM
Lets keep this blog positive men. I am here to discuss sports not have people discuss my home address.

Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 06:15:42 PM
Yeah, I agree with you Hank, we should stick to Sports!!!

Oops... don't you hate it when that happens. You know... when you are trying to pretend you don't have multiple log ins and ... you forget to actually log off of your one account before posting a response... basically proving you are the same person.

Good knowing you Hank... and all of your personalities.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on December 05, 2017, 09:16:47 PM
Classic Mardukas talking in the third person, that guy must have a screw loose!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 05, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
Interested in hearing your thoughts about Swat, Dave. They haven't made your top 25 yet and I am not here to complain about it but would be interested in hearing what you are looking for to convince you. Only asking because obviously others are seeing something they like but you have a pretty good eye for this. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2017, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2017, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 05, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Shocked you needed to trace my IP to find out that I'm a die-hard Mules fan. Haven't missed a game since 82', Sorry I'm passionate about my community, you should feel this way about Hopkins being from Baltimore.

You do realize there are more programs in the Baltimore metro than JHU, right? Also, that some of us work to cover the entire division thus making our "passion" a little less singular. :)

Yeah Dave is a Goucher homer, get it right!

I think calling me a homer is a bit of a stretch.

It is tongue in check, relax.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2017, 11:07:33 AM
I get it.
LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2017, 11:11:56 AM
Quote from: noonhooper on December 05, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
Interested in hearing your thoughts about Swat, Dave. They haven't made your top 25 yet and I am not here to complain about it but would be interested in hearing what you are looking for to convince you. Only asking because obviously others are seeing something they like but you have a pretty good eye for this. Thanks!

I am torn. I have had Swat on the shortlist each poll. I know they have talent, but I also know they lost talent that gone them where they ended up. Their opponents winning percentage is 18-24 (.429). Their first set of games have been nothing to write home about especially opponent wise outside of Albertus Magnus who I have had my eye on as well (I think they are returning to form). There isn't a lot on their upcoming schedule that will necessarily answer any questions. They are well coached and if they tear through the Centennial, then they will be on my ballot for sure. I just haven't seen anything early on that has surprised me.

Not the best answer, I realize. Just not blowing me away, yet. I hopefully will get to see them in person a few times. That could help.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 06, 2017, 04:18:43 PM
I think that's fair- they have a decent Ursinus team tonight and a surprise in York next week so maybe by Xmas the record will look better before heading to Middlebury. Thanks, Dave.

Big night in the conference today: Swat/Ursinus and JHU/F&M are some solid games on paper.

Predicitons:
SWAT
DICKINSON
HAVERFORD
WASHINGTON
F&M (i'd love to pick JHU here but you dont get a friendly whistle in Lancaster)


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2017, 04:29:24 PM
I will note this: I don't think York is a surprise. They have been building to this season for awhile. Have one of the best centers (though he is listed as a forward) in the region and have been steadily been improving the last few years. Myers is back from injury and I think a major catalyst on this squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 06, 2017, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2017, 11:11:56 AM
Quote from: noonhooper on December 05, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
Interested in hearing your thoughts about Swat, Dave. They haven't made your top 25 yet and I am not here to complain about it but would be interested in hearing what you are looking for to convince you. Only asking because obviously others are seeing something they like but you have a pretty good eye for this. Thanks!

I am torn. I have had Swat on the shortlist each poll. I know they have talent, but I also know they lost talent that gone them where they ended up. Their opponents winning percentage is 18-24 (.429). Their first set of games have been nothing to write home about especially opponent wise outside of Albertus Magnus who I have had my eye on as well (I think they are returning to form). There isn't a lot on their upcoming schedule that will necessarily answer any questions. They are well coached and if they tear through the Centennial, then they will be on my ballot for sure. I just haven't seen anything early on that has surprised me.

Not the best answer, I realize. Just not blowing me away, yet. I hopefully will get to see them in person a few times. That could help.

I am confused by your loss of talent part. Could you give me an example of who they lost that has't been replaced? They are playing a ton of players, haven't lost, and have the best one-two punch in the conference. Of course, I thought their game was at 8:00 tonight and signed in to see the final score. Ugh. I think they are much better than last year. Just my two cents which are worth less than a penny.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 07, 2017, 01:26:14 AM
I am sure he is referencing Chris Bourne, Sam Lebryk, Matt Brennan, and Henry Cousineau- four major pieces of the title run last year. Yes, other guys have stepped up so far but I think it is fair to wait and see before we start calling for, say, an undefeated season.

I would argue that Albertus Magnus, @Dickinson and @York is a solid early set of games and maybe if things go well through next week maybe Chris will start coming around!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 07, 2017, 01:29:53 AM
How about that F&M and JHU game?!? I only caught the first half and would love some insight on how F&M turned that thing around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 07, 2017, 11:40:51 AM
I watched the second half.  F&M made some defensive adjustments that were effective and JHU went cold, partly due to defensive pressure.  F&M just kept chipping away.  Federici came through with some key baskets in the paint.  He seems to be more muscular this year.  Defense is what turned it around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 07, 2017, 12:11:01 PM
Ursinus gave Swat all it could handle last night before losing 67-60. The Bears led for much of the first half and never trailed by more than four until the final seconds.  Score was 58-56 with 65 seconds to play but Garnet sealed it with 6 free throws to close it out.  Both teams played stellar defense and both high powered offenses were shut down.  Swat doubled Eric Williams every time he touched the ball and he was held to just 2 points.  Bears must find and answer to that issue during the break.  Ursinus held Cam Wiley to just 5 points with one 3 pt field goal early and two foul shots in the waning seconds.  Rebounding was a near draw with Swat hauling down 35 and the Bears 34.  Most effective offensive players were Quattro (19) and McTamney (12) for the Bears and O'Dell (13) and Yonda (13) for the Garnet. Good game by two solid teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 07, 2017, 12:49:13 PM
Good article on Swarthmore on "City of Basketball Love." Directly addresses turnover on the team and how underclassmen are stepping up.

http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/864262?referrer_id=1618751
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 07, 2017, 02:45:38 PM
Gabriel, I thought the EXACT same thing about Federici. He has definitely gotten stronger.

I feel like the appetizer of conference games left a lot of questions to be answered in Jan/Feb but I definitely see a division between the top and the others. Crazy to think not long ago Swarthmore was the most "others" of "the others"- The wheel has turned!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2017, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on December 07, 2017, 11:40:51 AM
I watched the second half.  F&M made some defensive adjustments that were effective and JHU went cold, partly due to defensive pressure.  F&M just kept chipping away.  Federici came through with some key baskets in the paint.  He seems to be more muscular this year.  Defense is what turned it around.

I made the same comment last night.  If it weren't for the number, I wouldn't have recognized him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 09, 2017, 01:34:20 PM

Fellow Diplomat Fans -

The box scores for the most recent games show that Slyka did not play. Does anyone know of his status - injury, illness, etc?

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 09, 2017, 03:29:00 PM
Eric,

I don't know but Reserved Seat probably does.  All I know is that he played one heck of a game against Ursinus and was the difference make.  Maybe he wore himself out.  Seriously, he is a good player so hope he is back soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 10, 2017, 12:09:36 PM
Saw JHU game Slyka was walking with a mild limp, RS said he was out for that game for an ankle sprain, at which point I doubted he would play 2 days later in a non league game vs Albright. Mcgrath played only 6 minutes with no fouls vs albright. I hope that are both ok, they will need them if Dips want a chance at the top 3-4 playoff spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on December 10, 2017, 05:35:43 PM
Streamed much of Mules vs DeSales yesterday... much of the criticism for Hopkins is unwarranted. It seemed that Brown was a little more under control on the bench today and that Hopkins was calling a majority of the sets. It will be interesting to see the adjustments he is able to make over the upcoming holiday break.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on December 11, 2017, 10:49:42 AM
Good to know the head coach is calling a majority of the plays. Things are turning around for the Mules!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 11, 2017, 07:57:25 PM
89 points separating #12 Swat from the #13 team seems like a significant margin. Hopefully they can play well on the road against a very good York team and finish this semester strong- the game right before exams is always a tough one at a place like Swat.

Monix, I am not sure why you are taking anything from that guy as a statement of fact. Hopkins has been calling the plays since the beginning, and if he hasn't it is a plan he has implemented. To suggest otherwise is just trying to pick a fight for no reason.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on December 11, 2017, 07:57:25 PM
89 points separating #12 Swat from the #13 team seems like a significant margin. Hopefully they can play well on the road against a very good York team and finish this semester strong- the game right before exams is always a tough one at a place like Swat.

Monix, I am not sure why you are taking anything from that guy as a statement of fact. Hopkins has been calling the plays since the beginning, and if he hasn't it is a plan he has implemented. To suggest otherwise is just trying to pick a fight for no reason.

Now you know his apparent role... along with the other personalities.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on December 12, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
My fault for being mislead with information about the Mules. I have decided not to attend games (along with the student body & community)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on December 12, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
I've been reading this blog for quite some time and I have finally been fed up long enough to make an account.

For the person(s) operating the accounts that have decided to make a personal crusade against McClary and the Mules, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Whichever side you are on, just let it go! Seriously, you have a group of kids on that team who are trying to play college basketball, something that nearly everybody has to bust their a** for years to do.  Now they get to be hampered by keyboard warriors who are too ignorant and self-centered to move on from a personal grind for whatever reason.  Seriously, read a book, listen to music, go for a run, just do something other than sit here and claim that Jake Brown is a "DJ".  Grow up and let the kids play. 

Since my estimation is that the majority of people blogging on here are likely working part-time at their local supermarket and have never had the desire or drive to work for something better, it isn't easy having a new job.  Hopkins is obviously going to have some growing pains, that much is to be expected.  We have no idea what kind of program he is going to establish, but nothing ever happens overnight.  He has some talent now, but with only one big over 6'4", there is not a lot of balance on the roster.  The kids seem to enjoy playing for him for the most part, which is nice. He could have easily come in and thrown Rindock, Baez, Long, McLeod, and Mitton out the window, but they have all carved out some role on game nights. He's trying to make the most of what he's got, but having some anonymous a-holes on here besmirching every single one of his moves and decisions isn't going to help anybody.  You don't have to love or cheer for him, but a bunch of college kids don't deserve to have their games picked apart because Monix is bitter that his favorite Centennial coach got fired.

I wish all parties involved the best; seriously, guys, there isn't a whole lot at stake here.  The fact that people come on here and spread straight lies about these young men is terrible.  Grow up and get a job. Get a life.  Talk to a girl or a dude, whatever you like.  I don't care.  Just find something to do other than sitting behind your keyboard in between World of Warcraft sessions when all you've ever managed to do was stack milk gallons in a supermarket.  These are kids who have enough on their plate, leave them alone.

Mule Alum
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on December 12, 2017, 02:44:26 PM
Really don't care of the feelings of college athletes when a "Mule Alum" lost his job because of a egotist AD. Your right I should change my rants towards him....

Btw my favorite CC coach of all time is Bill Nelson then Aaron Goodman!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on December 14, 2017, 11:27:58 AM
My favorite CC coach is Scott McClary in case anyone needed clarification on that
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on December 16, 2017, 07:43:31 PM
Interesting, Monix.  I hope you care more about your girls' players feelings, more for their sake than yours.  Obviously you will fall on the sword for your mentor, interesting that you note Bill Nelson as your favorite, as I would have thought you would share with HopkinsNests' favorite of McClary.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 17, 2017, 07:30:19 PM
Quote from: BleedingGreen on December 12, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
I've been reading this blog for quite some time and I have finally been fed up long enough to make an account.

For the person(s) operating the accounts that have decided to make a personal crusade against McClary and the Mules, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Whichever side you are on, just let it go! Seriously, you have a group of kids on that team who are trying to play college basketball, something that nearly everybody has to bust their a** for years to do.  Now they get to be hampered by keyboard warriors who are too ignorant and self-centered to move on from a personal grind for whatever reason.  Seriously, read a book, listen to music, go for a run, just do something other than sit here and claim that Jake Brown is a "DJ".  Grow up and let the kids play. 

Since my estimation is that the majority of people blogging on here are likely working part-time at their local supermarket and have never had the desire or drive to work for something better, it isn't easy having a new job.  Hopkins is obviously going to have some growing pains, that much is to be expected.  We have no idea what kind of program he is going to establish, but nothing ever happens overnight.  He has some talent now, but with only one big over 6'4", there is not a lot of balance on the roster.  The kids seem to enjoy playing for him for the most part, which is nice. He could have easily come in and thrown Rindock, Baez, Long, McLeod, and Mitton out the window, but they have all carved out some role on game nights. He's trying to make the most of what he's got, but having some anonymous a-holes on here besmirching every single one of his moves and decisions isn't going to help anybody.  You don't have to love or cheer for him, but a bunch of college kids don't deserve to have their games picked apart because Monix is bitter that his favorite Centennial coach got fired.

I wish all parties involved the best; seriously, guys, there isn't a whole lot at stake here.  The fact that people come on here and spread straight lies about these young men is terrible.  Grow up and get a job. Get a life.  Talk to a girl or a dude, whatever you like.  I don't care.  Just find something to do other than sitting behind your keyboard in between World of Warcraft sessions when all you've ever managed to do was stack milk gallons in a supermarket.  These are kids who have enough on their plate, leave them alone.

Mule Alum

"The majority of people blogging on here work part time at their local supermarket"?????? If you'd ever like to engage in a gentelman's bet over futures and commodities trading prowess as well as comparing brokerage account balances, I'm game (after I clean up the spill in Aisle 6 of course).

Some people can pull off condescending..............you are not one of those people.

I'll see your "Mule Alum" and raise you quite a bit (Swarthmore Alum)!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2017, 08:58:02 PM
He isn't talking to you, jmcozenlaw.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on December 18, 2017, 01:10:03 PM
my girls???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on December 21, 2017, 05:56:09 PM
     Woah woah woah settle down there Day-trader (@jmcozenlaw)  Futures and commodities aren't rocket science.  Even @monix (Mcdaniel Alum) would most likely be able to figure them out.... ok well maybe not....slow down corporal.....

      Corporal Hicks- School of Hard Knocks Alum
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on December 21, 2017, 06:06:08 PM
@jmcozenlaw Did not mean any offense to you, theres a certain segment of people on here who seem to be very preoccupied with blogging complete BS.  Haven't recalled you posting in some time, but I wish your trading account all the best.  Not to say that people on here don't hold respectable jobs, just saying that people seem to be spending a considerable amount of time on here with the only intent to spread lies and hate.  Glad to see Swarthmore succeed in recent years, Kosmalski has done a wonderful job. Not here to be competitive in any ways, just got defensive because I think this blog has gotten out of hands at times.

@ReturnofMonix My apologies, I was mistaken, I believed you to be the girls coach, but you are indeed the boys varsity coach. I get you come from a point of loyalty, but everybody here has figured out the shtick.  Even Hank knows who you are, although it doesn't take an FBI detective to figure it out.

I hope everybody has a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.  May it bring health and joy to all of you. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 23, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
@jmcozenlaw: Since the CME group had now implemented Bitcoin Futures any thoughts on a smart play? Admittedly, I am not an expert on crypto but I did get very lucky by purchasing some Bitcoin back in 2007. The only reason I purchased it was because I was the head of my towns rec department and could get the jerseys made cheaply in China if paid in Bitcoin. I kept a couple just because I liked the idea of the blockchain although I never knew how practical it was. My real question is since I got so lucky, should I hedge my Bitcoin bet in the futures market. I know how volatile crypto is and if I do a Costless Collar, even if the price of Bitcoin drops I still win. I also read the intrinsic value of a Bitcoin is $1,000 so the fact that it trades up to 19x its value does scare me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. All the best and enjoy your holidays.   

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 25, 2017, 11:05:13 AM
merry christmas everyone
may we continue to discuss basketball on this site and be kind and respectful to each other
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 29, 2017, 07:29:28 PM
Nice win by Hopkins against ranked opponent
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 02, 2018, 10:43:09 PM
How about that?!? Swat goes up to the #4 team in the country and beats them on their home court pretty soundly.

Added bonus that Swarthmore spends a lot of time going against the NESCAC for players and it will be a nice result to hang your hat on.

Centennial has some legit teams- let the fun begin!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on January 03, 2018, 10:33:53 PM
Nice to see a number of Centennial teams pull out some out of conference wins- Swat with the biggest one over Middlebury, Dickinson over Susquehanna, along with Ursinus, Muhlenberg, Johns Hopkins, and Haverford all pulling out wins.  Nice to see the Connecticut guys from Muhlenberg get a win in their home state, which was the main headline of the write-up.  Really impressive win for Swat, think it is fairly obvious that they are the clear cut favorites moving forward. 

Happy New Year to everybody, good luck dealing with the cold up north!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 04, 2018, 06:22:22 AM
Great win for Swat over the #2 team in country. I watched the game and it was never really close. The win must have Swat thinking of big things this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 04, 2018, 12:04:05 PM
Nice comments about Swat on the NESCAC board.  They are the real deal and should advance to the post season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 04, 2018, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on December 23, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
@jmcozenlaw: Since the CME group had now implemented Bitcoin Futures any thoughts on a smart play? Admittedly, I am not an expert on crypto but I did get very lucky by purchasing some Bitcoin back in 2007. The only reason I purchased it was because I was the head of my towns rec department and could get the jerseys made cheaply in China if paid in Bitcoin. I kept a couple just because I liked the idea of the blockchain although I never knew how practical it was. My real question is since I got so lucky, should I hedge my Bitcoin bet in the futures market. I know how volatile crypto is and if I do a Costless Collar, even if the price of Bitcoin drops I still win. I also read the intrinsic value of a Bitcoin is $1,000 so the fact that it trades up to 19x its value does scare me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. All the best and enjoy your holidays.   

Hank, I have been a bit of a skeptic (listening to too many people talking about the "tulips") but I am changing my tune. I don't watch CNBC often, but I did happen to catch a piece on Fast Money today that intrigued me. A gentleman from RBC by the name of Mitch (or Mich) Steves spoke about the infancy stage of crypto and blockchain. What was most interesting were his comments about how this future is also about building the Web 3.0......in essence, replacing the internet. 100% security, 100% of the time. Non-hackable. If I knew he was coming on, I would have DVR'd it to watch it over and over (to better understand it). I might go to the CNBC website and see if I can find it (and will post here). If you google 'Bitcoin Jesus'.......check out the first two CNBC pieces on Roger Ver. He is the first Bitcoin investor and is worth a couple billion dollars I believe. He is now anti-Bitcoin, but pro-Bitcoin cash. I need to look at this closer. I've been following Ethereum. I also heard the CEO of Ripple a few times and he is impressive (not a techie kid) and there are some real world applications already happening.

I loaded up on gold and gold miners/junior gold miners (leveraged and non-leveraged). I am also looking to establish a VIX position soon as things seem "too good", but not yet. Brian Kelly (CNBC's Fast Money) was on the Bitcoin and crypto bandwagon a few years ago. I was pretty clueless. Tonight, he announced that he will be launching a few crypto etf's shortly. I'll probably get involved that way vs. futures on the CME as I still don't feel comfortable from a knowledge standpoint just yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 06, 2018, 07:21:08 PM
Is this still a basketball forum?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 07, 2018, 08:21:37 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 06, 2018, 07:21:08 PM
Is this still a basketball forum?

Forum has been hijacked.  Must be the Russians.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 07, 2018, 01:42:30 PM
Wasn't able to watch any of the games this weekend. Anyone have any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 07, 2018, 03:09:33 PM
Ursinus at JHU---- a close contest and Bears managed to hold on for a 66-64 win.  Road wins are always welcome no matter how ugly.
Both teams struggled offensively but defenses were solid.  The Ursinus bench came through scoring 38 of the 66 points.  Bruce Edwards  and Remi Janicot looked good for Ursinus. Quattro and Eric Williams were well contained.  JHU is a solid well coached team and will be a tough match-up during the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on January 08, 2018, 10:43:20 AM
Swat vs Gettysburg was a similarly defensive battle with Swat prevailing 68-61. Atypically, Gettysburg beat Swat on the boards (27-25) and also in field goal % (45 to 40) and Assists (14-12). Swat won from the line going 18 for 21 vs Gettysburg's 7-8.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 08, 2018, 12:03:29 PM
Quattro and Williams are very skilled players but both pretty one-dimensional. A good scouting report can stop both of them. Hopkins seems up and down this year, probably a product of a group of players who haven't had to be the centerpiece of an offense before. Gburg's low free throw numbers are pretty typical of a Princeton offense. Great stuff. I know its a big three-game week for the conference. Usually separates the top from the bottom a little more by next Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: commish on January 08, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
We hope that you can join us on Sunday for "Centennial at the Palestra," celebrating Division III basketball at one of the sport's cherished venues. Five games are on tap, including three men's tilts - Gettysburg-Ursinus (1:30), Dickinson-Washington College (5:30) and McDaniel-Muhlenberg (7:30). Tickets are available for $15 in advance or $20 on game day. For more information, go to www.centennial.org/palestra (http://www.centennial.org/palestra). D3hoops will be there! Stop by and say hi.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on January 08, 2018, 02:17:04 PM
Any news on the German-born big man for the Mules, Erik Werheim? I see he has missed many games this season and when he has played he had not played many minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 09, 2018, 12:17:31 PM
Special Tuesday Game Edition! Slow morning in the office today so I have some time to really waste thinking about all these games.

Predictions (spreads from Massey)

JHU@Dickinson- They say Hop is favored by 1.5 but I say it is tough to play in Carlisle when the Devils have it rolling and this could be Dickinson's annual hot streak. Pick: Dickinson

Fords@Gburg- Toughest game to pick I think. Gburg always gets better as the season progresses but they also play up or down to their opponents. The line is Gburg -5.5 so I think I will take the Fords to make it close or possibly even win.

F&M@Mules- The evil empire comes to the barn for what could be a rough game for the home team. I like what Coach Hopkins is doing but they are too young/not enough horses to keep up. Even with the 10.5 spread the Dips get another rare (as in they never leave home) road win and cover.

Swat@McDaniel- Man, the Green Terror aren't too terrifying these days but they always play great at home, have a crowd that walks that border between passionate and over-the-line with their cheers, and the team has always played with a chip on their shoulder in the past (havent seen them so don't know if thats true this year). I think Swat wins this one but 21.5 is a huge spread and every team is bringing all the fire for the Garnet so maybe 12-15 margin?

#GooseNation@Ursinus- If this game was at Washington I pick them for my big upset of the night. I still think the game is closer than the 12.5 spread because Ursinus doesn't have a great home crowd and Wash is just crazy enough they could do anything. I'm taking the points but the Bears get the W

But what the heck do I know?!



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 09, 2018, 09:13:48 PM
Man, what has happened to McDaniel? As I write this, it is 50-21 and not even that close. Swat didn't even start their usual starting five. Pretty shocking to me.

*80-41 Final. Swat played bench most of second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 09, 2018, 09:59:25 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on January 09, 2018, 12:17:31 PM
Special Tuesday Game Edition! Slow morning in the office today so I have some time to really waste thinking about all these games.

Predictions (spreads from Massey)

JHU@Dickinson- They say Hop is favored by 1.5 but I say it is tough to play in Carlisle when the Devils have it rolling and this could be Dickinson's annual hot streak. Pick: Dickinson

Fords@Gburg- Toughest game to pick I think. Gburg always gets better as the season progresses but they also play up or down to their opponents. The line is Gburg -5.5 so I think I will take the Fords to make it close or possibly even win.

F&M@Mules- The evil empire comes to the barn for what could be a rough game for the home team. I like what Coach Hopkins is doing but they are too young/not enough horses to keep up. Even with the 10.5 spread the Dips get another rare (as in they never leave home) road win and cover.

Swat@McDaniel- Man, the Green Terror aren't too terrifying these days but they always play great at home, have a crowd that walks that border between passionate and over-the-line with their cheers, and the team has always played with a chip on their shoulder in the past (havent seen them so don't know if thats true this year). I think Swat wins this one but 21.5 is a huge spread and every team is bringing all the fire for the Garnet so maybe 12-15 margin?

#GooseNation@Ursinus- If this game was at Washington I pick them for my big upset of the night. I still think the game is closer than the 12.5 spread because Ursinus doesn't have a great home crowd and Wash is just crazy enough they could do anything. I'm taking the points but the Bears get the W

But what the heck do I know?!



0/5 picking against the spread! Maybe don't give up the day job  8-) 8-)

F&M being ahead by 18 and blowing that one is a shocking loss. Congrats to the Mules on picking up a huge win.

Everything else went about as expected, McDaniel has really fallen off the map and Swat took it to them hard.

WAC is just too undersized to compete with teams that have a good inside game and Ursinus showed that tonight.

And Haverford is still probably a year away from making a couple teams nervous, but a good win for the Bullets nonetheless.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 09, 2018, 10:16:40 PM
When in doubt, always go against my picks. I should just retire in disgrace now, but at least this board is back to talking about basketball!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 10, 2018, 09:33:27 AM
Very nice comeback win for the Mules when it looked like they were dead in the water.

The Dips are still searching for answers in the post. Groll looked like a potential star early in the season but is struggling now. McGrath seems to be their best option in the paint.

Federici tried to do too much last night when the game got close. When he gets into that mindset, there's no rhythm to the offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 09, 2018, 09:13:48 PM
Man, what has happened to McDaniel? As I write this, it is 50-21 and not even that close. Swat didn't even start their usual starting five. Pretty shocking to me.

*80-41 Final. Swat played bench most of second half.

McDaniel has had a lot of turnover and lost a lot of talent from last year's squad. They are very young and trying to figure things out. Not the best season, but most of us kind of expected it.

As for Swat... they play most of their bench most of every game. Four guys who hardly play got in in the final couple of minutes, but otherwise starters and the second unit which plays most minutes of all games played until about 3:30 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on January 10, 2018, 12:04:02 PM
The Mules win over the overrated, overappreciated, and underperforming Diplomats should only come as a surprise to the uneducated. Coach Jake Brown made some great half-time adjustments which put the mighty Mules in a great position to win. I'm sick and tired of people saying that Federici and Tate are the best back-court in the Cent. It is obvious the emphatic point guard Matt Gnias and the methodical Nick Rindock are the best. Gnias is a scoring point guard who reminds me a former mules great, the magnificent Matty German. Both leaders not only have the ability to see the floor but also put that orange spherical ball into the basket. Rindock, should be a candidate for player of the year. His mid-range game is uncanny and has improved his defensive game astronomically. As for coach of the year, you got to give it to Mules Assitant Jake Brown. Mark my words, he will be the first assistant coach to win coach of the year. Mules winning the chip, I'm calling it now!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 12:54:03 PM
It was only a matter of when... not a matter of if...

Way to completely knock down the efforts of the players on the floor... for both teams. SMH

It is like the "over-rated" chat at sporting events when the underdog beats the higher-considered team. If they are overrated, what does that make you for beating them?

Stop it. Going out of your way to demean the Muhlenberg program is pretty sad for an alum (or whatever close connection you have the Muhl). Why not try and be supportive. More people would give you the benefit of the doubt if you were overly supportive. Being so negative and mean just makes you ... mean and dare I say a bully.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 10, 2018, 02:14:53 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 09, 2018, 09:13:48 PM
Man, what has happened to McDaniel? As I write this, it is 50-21 and not even that close. Swat didn't even start their usual starting five. Pretty shocking to me.

*80-41 Final. Swat played bench most of second half.

McDaniel has had a lot of turnover and lost a lot of talent from last year's squad. They are very young and trying to figure things out. Not the best season, but most of us kind of expected it.

As for Swat... they play most of their bench most of every game. Four guys who hardly play got in in the final couple of minutes, but otherwise starters and the second unit which plays most minutes of all games played until about 3:30 left in the game.

You are kind of correct, but not totally. They didn't start usual starters last night and played several combinations I had not seen together. Their two best players (Yonda and Wiley) were not on the court a lot together last night (both only played 21 minutes). It was a good game to try new combinations, but shocking you can do this in a conference game and at this time of the year. The one good thing is that they appear to be 100% healthy. As a fan of Swat, I would have to give Yonda the POY right now as he playing incredibly well. Maybe they will go with Co-POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 03:51:39 PM
FYI - I am fully aware of what they were doing last night... I called the game for McDaniel's webstream (I am their broadcaster for about 3/4s of the games this season). I know they didn't start the usual starters, but I am not at liberty to say as to why. They may have been trying new things, but it was the right opportunity to do it and make other teams start wondering what is going on. Also, with two more big games this week, giving guys a bit more rest if possible (if possible) isn't the worst idea.

I also know they can go deep on their bench and the talent doesn't necessarily die off. I also know that McDaniel didn't present any challenges in the post outside of Young, so they could afford to roll other guys on the floor. I just was trying to say that they ran ten to twelve guys for most of that game including the first half and didn't really "call the dogs off" until 3:30 left when they finally stopped pressing (one could question why they were pressing leading by 30 with 10 minutes to play) and brought in the last four guys on the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Just want to be clear, when you say they didn't stop "pressing" you mean pushing the pace and being aggressive on D, right? I don't think I saw them implement a press last night and, as you said during your broadcast, some teams' style is one where they can't really throttle down.
Why would a team with two more games this week get their team out of rhythm by having them do something they don't practice? I guess they could have put that bench mob in with five minutes left instead of three to stop "pressing" but those poor guys would have been dying if they had to play five straight minutes just to slow the game down.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 10, 2018, 06:33:25 PM
Well, now I have more questions than I do answers. Could you explain your "Press" comment. I don't remember them pressing last night, but I certainly could be wrong. I know that a couple players have had diminished minutes lately and I was wondering if something was going on. Could you at least say that I may be correct? I know we don't want to talk about young men on here unless it is positive. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 12:40:52 AM
When I say/talk about "pressing," I mean defensively a full-court press. Not talking about style of offensive play or defense in the half-court.

Quote from: noonhooper on January 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
I don't think I saw them implement a press last night and, as you said during your broadcast, some teams' style is one where they can't really throttle down.

They had a full court press on halfway through the second half. I didn't see it much in the first half, but I think there was some signs of a 3/4 press at times. However, a full court press popped up in the middle of the second half. McDaniel guards were being guarded and trapped 90 feet from the basket. Swat occasionally called it off when the ball would get batted out of bounds in the back court.

Swat was leading by 30 at the time.

However, I wasn't bringing up the press as a negative or positive. On the broadcast, noonhooper, I mentioned that teams do stick with their style and there isn't anything wrong with that. I also stated that teams will use opportunities to put things on tape for other conference opponents to think about. For example, a football team leading by 50 might run a 2-point conversion or a fake punt because it forces their next opponents to waste time on those possibilities.

I am also not one of those kinds of broadcasters who sits there, bitching and complaining, in situations like that. I didn't see Curley upset at the time by the tactic and I didn't think it was my place to whine about a full-court press up 30. I found a better way to approach describing what was going on in the game in a way that can help those watching at home maybe understand it better - or for McDaniel fans to not get upset with Swat for pressing their team while they had no chance to come back.

My original point was about the personnel they used in the game and how they used them. I stated that the starters and the second unit played pretty much the entire game until about the 3:30 point of the second half when they "called the dogs" off. By that, I mean they sent in the four guys on the bench who hadn't played, yet, and the rest of the squad was done for the most part. The comment about the press was that it was utilized in the second half and it showed me Swat wasn't laying off necessarily - rightly or wrongly. It wasn't an attack. It was simply a statement of fact of how the game played out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 12:48:17 AM
I will add, the press wasn't on for long stretches. It showed up for a bit and then called off. Showed up again, I think, then called off.

Again... I am not knocking the press. I was pointing out how long players played.

The entire point was my recognizing and acknowledging that Swarthmore is deep. They have talent that goes beyond their top five. That they can go 10, even 11, deep and still have guys hitting shots, making plays, etc. That because of that depth, it is hard for a team like that to not have that intensity and effort deep in a blow-out because the only guys not involved are the final four off the bench ... who against McDaniel came in around 3:30.

NOTHING else was intended by my comments.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 11, 2018, 02:08:30 AM
Dave,
Loved your work on the game Tuesday night. I had to stop watching for about 13 minutes of the game and I missed the actual pressure. Glad that I cleared it up because I don't see Swat pressing that much so I read the comment incorrectly.
I agree with your take that sometimes coaches want to try new things when they feel like a game is in hand. I didn't take your comments as bashing Swat, just the reality of the situation. Thanks for your explanation!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on January 11, 2018, 09:42:27 PM
Had to watch Mules vs. GBurg on the smart phone tonight... tough night to miss in the barn. Really like what Hopkins is doing but given that Mardukas has experienced these games in person I imagine Brown has a great deal to do with this given his praise. Regardless, this is McClarys recruiting class and that's enough to get me through the Centennial season until McClary inevitably lands another "blue blood" centennial job. An aging G Rob only makes me wonder.....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on January 12, 2018, 11:51:50 AM
I know we have gotten past the McClary talk but I have one last thing to say about this because Hopkinsnest has brought it up. McClary reminds me of Sam Hinkie, the former GM of the Sixers. Nobody understood anything McClary did during his tenure at Muhlenberg, but now everything is going just as he planned. He was truly before his time, some sort of basketball Jedi who could foresee the future. Only McClary believed that Hughes could be producing the way he is, Hughes is having a great season and McClary always believed in him. I know I have bad mouthed the Mules in the past, but now I understand what McClary had planned all along. He was truly a basketball mastermind and hope to see him back in the Cent. Some may say he is even a Vatican Assasian in the truest sense of the word!   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2018, 11:32:55 AM

Great job by the Centennial with the Palestra event yesterday.  It was a lot of fun and the crowds were pretty good.  That place is big, but a smaller group can feel like a real presence and the teams did a pretty good job keeping the lower sections full and making some good noise.

We had an OT and a double OT game and four of the five were pretty competitive throughout.

I thought the most impressive part of the day was seeing the young talent on the WC men's team.  They'll feel the loss of Dixon after this year, but everyone else is back and the bulk of the production was from 1st and 2nd year players.  Those guys are long, quick, talented, and smart.

They're also the closest d3 team to my house, so I'm excited about these developments.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on January 15, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
PANDAMONIUM AT THE PALESTRA!! Wow what an invigorating time to be a Mules fan.. I have had my doubts archived in this chat room time and time again but I am officially on the Brown/Hopkins bandwagon. I was unable to make the trip to the city of brother love because my mechanic was away and I have a faulty exhaust pipe (my wife drives stick and I am yet to learn.) But I was able to listen to the inspiring broadcast of Jack McCollum which has lead me to believe that the Mules will be a fixture in the playoff pictures this year. Of course there will be doubts regarding the Mules strength of schedule but Brown out maneuvering G Rob in the barn should look good on paper to the committee.

With that being said I think it is time for a coaching change in Westminster... McDaniel fans give so much of themseleves and deserve at least one conference win that has not been delivered at this point. It sure would be interesting to see if a former player of Tim Stewarts prestige would be interested in jump starting this suffering program.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 15, 2018, 04:24:08 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on January 15, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
But I was able to listen to the inspiring broadcast of Jack McCollum which has lead me to believe that the Mules will be a fixture in the playoff pictures this year. Of course there will be doubts regarding the Mules strength of schedule but Brown out maneuvering G Rob in the barn should look good on paper to the committee.

Without winning the CC tournament, there is almost 0 way they make the NCAAs as an at large team. There SOS and WP make it highly unlikely.
There's going to be competition for the CC playoff spot as well. We'll see what happens!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on January 16, 2018, 01:30:59 PM
Nobody has responded to my post asking what is up with the German Born Big man Eric Weinheim. I am a little disappointed and fear that Coach Jake Brown told Coach Hopkins that Weirhiem is a lost cause. I truly believe Wierhiem had the potential to be one of the best bigs in Mules history. Let's have some fun with this a rank the best bigs in Mules History. Please feel free to leave your comments.

1. Sean Mackin: By far the best big I've ever seen play. He had the ability to not just be a dominant scorer but a great passer. I remember the F&M game back in 83', Mackin was being doubled team the entire game and lead the Mules to victory. He also was one of the hardest workers I've ever seen on and off the court. He ended up graduating with a 3.9 GPA which put him in a great position to be successful. He kept his competitive drive up in the workforce and made a boatload of money playing the future markets. Ever hear of Microsoft, Mackin was an early investor, pure genius. He was very successful as a College Coach and holds the record of most consecutive games of holding the opponent in single digits for the duration of the first quarter. He is currently starting a new company and is looking for outside investors, contact me if interested. Currently, we are only 40% funded.

2. Dennis Roth: Schools all-time leading rebounder, played in the mid 50's. Although he was thrown out of 6 games in his career. Glen Salow is his nephew, great basketball family.

3. Kevin Hargrove: Nice guy and comes from a great family. Can score the basketball but wasn't very consistent.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 16, 2018, 10:53:36 PM
henry
i would add spencer liddic; smart, solid player
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 17, 2018, 07:32:09 PM
Guesses for tonight on "Rivalry Wednesday"TM:
Mules over Ursinus
Hop over Washington (is this really a rivalry?)
F&M over Dickinson
Swat over Fords
McD over Gburg -Come on upset pick!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on January 19, 2018, 11:12:32 PM
Hank, where have you developed the idea of Jake Brown running the Mules program? I can assure you that is not the case. Werheim is also not from Germany, and it seems as if you exist just to spread blasphemy.  Not sure what your relationship/interest is in the Mules if you just come on here and spread nonsense. Seems like you devote an awful amount of time obsessing over the team, especially considering you have no correct knowledge of anything that is going on.

Big game for the Mules tomorrow. Will be watching on the live stream. I hope Morreale is back, hoping to see the Mules bounce back after a tough loss at Ursinus.


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on January 20, 2018, 01:08:02 PM
Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving.. and today. Hopkins at Mules. My personal paradise, coasting up I95 north to the Mule Barn for a matchup between my two favorite Centennial squads. This is the one day a year my wife lets me get out of dodge for a weekend, (No hall pass though). Though I don't love what this blog has become I have recently contacted fellow user Red to head up to A town with me. Here is what Ill be looking for in todays game.

1.Jake Browns coaching- last time the Mules came down to Hopkins I noted that I couldn't necessarily tell if the play calls were coming from Hopkins or Brown. Mardukas nominated Brown for coach of the year the other day and I'm interested to see if coach Hopkins has become a more vocal leader of his squad.

2. Mike Morreale- Mules freshman appeared to be hurt last game and I didn't catch him in a box score. Assuming this is injury and not suspension? haven't heard much about his character but we all know the discipline problems the Mules have had in the past. I hope to get to see him play, very athletic and the closest thing youll get to a sky walker in the Centennial.

3. Mules vs. Doran: This seems like a matchup that defensive liability Rindock will be in charge up with a potential reinforcement form freshman center Spencer Duke. Doran has been working on his post game whenever I head to the nest for practice. This could pose an issue for the Mules. RIndock theoretically should be able to stop him but it all depends on Brown/Hopkins game plan. Havent seen enough of Duke yet, seems like a versatile player I would compare him to Joe Ingles of the Jazz.

4. Mardukas vs this forum: This guy is a lunatic and I am glad I will get to see this game in person for myself, so I can decide for myself what I think of this rendition of the Mules team.

What a day, what a day! Ill post my thoughts later tonight. Go Hopkins!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 21, 2018, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on January 20, 2018, 01:08:02 PM
Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving.. and today. Hopkins at Mules. My personal paradise, coasting up I95 north to the Mule Barn for a matchup between my two favorite Centennial squads. This is the one day a year my wife lets me get out of dodge for a weekend, (No hall pass though). Though I don't love what this blog has become I have recently contacted fellow user Red to head up to A town with me. Here is what Ill be looking for in todays game.

1.Jake Browns coaching- last time the Mules came down to Hopkins I noted that I couldn't necessarily tell if the play calls were coming from Hopkins or Brown. Mardukas nominated Brown for coach of the year the other day and I'm interested to see if coach Hopkins has become a more vocal leader of his squad.

2. Mike Morreale- Mules freshman appeared to be hurt last game and I didn't catch him in a box score. Assuming this is injury and not suspension? haven't heard much about his character but we all know the discipline problems the Mules have had in the past. I hope to get to see him play, very athletic and the closest thing youll get to a sky walker in the Centennial.

3. Mules vs. Doran: This seems like a matchup that defensive liability Rindock will be in charge up with a potential reinforcement form freshman center Spencer Duke. Doran has been working on his post game whenever I head to the nest for practice. This could pose an issue for the Mules. RIndock theoretically should be able to stop him but it all depends on Brown/Hopkins game plan. Havent seen enough of Duke yet, seems like a versatile player I would compare him to Joe Ingles of the Jazz.

4. Mardukas vs this forum: This guy is a lunatic and I am glad I will get to see this game in person for myself, so I can decide for myself what I think of this rendition of the Mules team.

What a day, what a day! Ill post my thoughts later tonight. Go Hopkins!
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on January 20, 2018, 01:08:02 PM
Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving.. and today. Hopkins at Mules. My personal paradise, coasting up I95 north to the Mule Barn for a matchup between my two favorite Centennial squads. This is the one day a year my wife lets me get out of dodge for a weekend, (No hall pass though). Though I don't love what this blog has become I have recently contacted fellow user Red to head up to A town with me. Here is what Ill be looking for in todays game.

1.Jake Browns coaching- last time the Mules came down to Hopkins I noted that I couldn't necessarily tell if the play calls were coming from Hopkins or Brown. Mardukas nominated Brown for coach of the year the other day and I'm interested to see if coach Hopkins has become a more vocal leader of his squad.

2. Mike Morreale- Mules freshman appeared to be hurt last game and I didn't catch him in a box score. Assuming this is injury and not suspension? haven't heard much about his character but we all know the discipline problems the Mules have had in the past. I hope to get to see him play, very athletic and the closest thing youll get to a sky walker in the Centennial.

3. Mules vs. Doran: This seems like a matchup that defensive liability Rindock will be in charge up with a potential reinforcement form freshman center Spencer Duke. Doran has been working on his post game whenever I head to the nest for practice. This could pose an issue for the Mules. RIndock theoretically should be able to stop him but it all depends on Brown/Hopkins game plan. Havent seen enough of Duke yet, seems like a versatile player I would compare him to Joe Ingles of the Jazz.

4. Mardukas vs this forum: This guy is a lunatic and I am glad I will get to see this game in person for myself, so I can decide for myself what I think of this rendition of the Mules team.

What a day, what a day! Ill post my thoughts later tonight. Go Hopkins!


I can hardly wait

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 22, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
Totally unrelated but by any chance would anyone know the passwords for streaming games on the Centennial website? I missed the F&M game against Dickinson and tried watching it but the website is requesting a password. Not sure what else I can do to stream the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on January 22, 2018, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: GoDiplomats on January 22, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
Totally unrelated but by any chance would anyone know the passwords for streaming games on the Centennial website? I missed the F&M game against Dickinson and tried watching it but the website is requesting a password. Not sure what else I can do to stream the game.

Whomever the host school is sets the password for their home games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 24, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
This board is no longer a forum for meaningful discussions about Centennial Conference Division III basketball.  I understand why this has happened and think it's a shame because CC basketball, top to bottom, is better and more competitive this year than any of the 18 years I have been following this conference.  I believe it will only get better and more competitive as the new coaches integrate their systems and bring in their own recruits.  They need time to build programs.

Back in the 2000-2001 season, the league was all about F&M, JHU, Muhlenberg and Gettysburg and their respective coaches.  Then, along came Ursinus as a major player followed by Dickinson and then Swarthmore----with new coaches.  I believe Muhlenberg will return as a perennial force under Coach Hopkins as will JHU under Coach Loeffler, Haverford under Coach Doherty and Washington College under Coach Goodman.  It just takes time and hard work and they seem to be up to the challenges.

There have been recent comments about McDaniel and Coach Curley because they are having a bad year.  I think Coach Curley is a very good X's and O's coach who routinely does more with less than any other coach in the CC.  In my opinion, he needs to do a better job recruiting but, admittedly,  I don't know the obstacles he faces.

Just some thoughts about the CC and I hope we can return to some meaningful basketball dialogue on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2018, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 24, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
This board is no longer a forum for meaningful discussions about Centennial Conference Division III basketball.  I understand why this has happened and think it's a shame because CC basketball, top to bottom, is better and more competitive this year than any of the 18 years I have been following this conference.  I believe it will only get better and more competitive as the new coaches integrate their systems and bring in their own recruits.  They need time to build programs.

Back in the 2000-2001 season, the league was all about F&M, JHU, Muhlenberg and Gettysburg and their respective coaches.  Then, along came Ursinus as a major player followed by Dickinson and then Swarthmore----with new coaches.  I believe Muhlenberg will return as a perennial force under Coach Hopkins as will JHU under Coach Loeffler, Haverford under Coach Doherty and Washington College under Coach Goodman.  It just takes time and hard work and they seem to be up to the challenges.

There have been recent comments about McDaniel and Coach Curley because they are having a bad year.  I think Coach Curley is a very good X's and O's coach who routinely does more with less than any other coach in the CC.  In my opinion, he needs to do a better job recruiting but, admittedly,  I don't know the obstacles he faces.

Just some thoughts about the CC and I hope we can return to some meaningful basketball dialogue on this board.

Hear, hear...

But to add some levity... dilly, dilly. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 24, 2018, 04:12:13 PM
Gabriel,
I agree, I finally start trying to post and no one is on here except people not interested in discussing CC hoops.

I think that the new coaches will bring life to their programs but I wouldn't expect all those teams to improve. The Centennial has some Have's and some Have Not's in recruiting and even though teams like Swat have been able to overcome some hurdles I think it's tough to project.

Speaking of recruiting, I agree that McDaniel's issue is partly that they have whiffed on some guys they were hoping would be better. On the other side though, Curley is running the EXACT same offense he was five years ago. Failure to recognize the need to change is dangerous to continued success.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2018, 04:46:17 PM
FYI - there are a number of us in here who at least read what is posted - at least the relevant stuff, so post away!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on January 24, 2018, 09:39:29 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on January 24, 2018, 04:12:13 PM
Gabriel,
I agree, I finally start trying to post and no one is on here except people not interested in discussing CC hoops.

I think that the new coaches will bring life to their programs but I wouldn't expect all those teams to improve. The Centennial has some Have's and some Have Not's in recruiting and even though teams like Swat have been able to overcome some hurdles I think it's tough to project.

Speaking of recruiting, I agree that McDaniel's issue is partly that they have whiffed on some guys they were hoping would be better. On the other side though, Curley is running the EXACT same offense he was five years ago. Failure to recognize the need to change is dangerous to continued success.



FYI -- GRob and F&M have been running the same plays for possibly the last 3 decades, probably longer. I don't think McDaniel's issue is the "running [of] the EXACT same offense [from] five years ago." I think McDaniel's issue is heart and lack of identity. Watching them over the last few years there is either two teams that show up, especially against my Diplomats. I think 14-15 was one of the toughest teams they put on the floor. They were gritty, tough, played with heart and seemed like you were playing a 10 on 5 on both ends of the floor. They've gotten away from that identity and just get out there like it a boxing match with their hands down, expecting not to get socked.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2018, 10:43:37 PM
I don't necessarily agree with those thoughts on McDaniel. Granted, I see them pretty up close and personal, so my view might be a little slanted, but I also try to be a neutral observer.

I think they come to every game looking to win. They have players like Cannon who just won't quit. They have some youth on this team who are doing their best to compete. Sure, they have had some players in the past who maybe didn't give their all.. but I see them giving their all every game this season.

The problem is, quite frankly, they are over-matched size wise and don't have better than average talent. That isn't a knock on them, it is just the reality. Harper is a pretty good talent, but can't do it all on his own. Cannon certainly tries to get it done, but when he's off it will be a long night. They have some size with Young, but he is still young (no pun intended) and needs to get some more strength to compete.

Time will tell. They don't have a deep bench currently and they have lost some players who absolutely didn't have their heart or minds in the right place. The group there now wants to be there and is fighting. Recruiting has always been a challenge at McDaniel, but that doesn't mean they can't find a couple of players who could make a difference. We shall see.

A lot of what I wrote could be said about Ursinus, Washington, and others from time to time. They have all proven to figure it out, maybe not consistently, but it can happen.

Heck, I also am at a lot of Goucher games. They may be 0-17 right now, but that doesn't mean they aren't fighting to the end either. Sometimes a team's record and score differential especially when they are overmatched doesn't reveal the true heart of a team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 25, 2018, 12:25:35 AM
GoDips,
I completely disagree. McDaniel players are working hard and giving it their all. Hard to argue any D3 player isn't invested or they wouldn't be putting in the time it takes to be on the squad. Those guys are gutting out close games all over the schedule and in a year or two those Ls could be Ws. Bill Parcells said "first you lose big, then you lose small, then you win small, then you win big" its hard to skip ahead with underclassmen.
I think Coach Curley is a great motivator, he just needs to maybe get away from only the wing ball screens if he doesnt have Brooks, Stewart, Royster-types to make it all work. Not every coach is blessed with the kind of players GRob can get in at F&M so not every coach can run the same five plays for 30 years. Never heard anyone be proud of not being willing to change to fit their players' abilities.
Anyway, I am rooting for the Green Terror to be more Terror and less "green" soon enough, their is a fun environment for a game and the conference is hurt by having to play two game each vs a bad squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 25, 2018, 07:26:08 AM
Good stuff!  Let's keep it going and make this forum fun again.

Regarding plays,  I don't think it's what plays you run, it's how well you execute them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 25, 2018, 07:26:08 AM
Regarding plays,  I don't think it's what plays you run, it's how well you execute them.

So true. Same goes for coaches who like to hide their games so the rest of us can't watch them On Demand.

Coach K, Sabin, etc. seem to win championships or at least be in the conversation pretty often... running stuff they have been running for years and having their games completely available and broken down ad nauseam for YEARS.

If players can't execute, it doesn't matter what you are trying to run. I see it every day. I can see one team running a 1-2-2 full court trap that is easily broken and the other running the same trap and getting steals a plenty.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 25, 2018, 12:35:01 PM
So what does everyone think about the games tonight?

Seems like there is an "upset" every weekend. Or is there just not as much separation from top to bottom as there has been in the past?

Picks:
Swat over Wash (Love how hard Wash plays and their young guys are good. But if they don't get the W at home tough to see them getting it on the road here)

Mules over Dickinson (Dickinson isnt the best scoring team and, while their defense is good, they have given up some big point totals- I gotta pick one tough game to make it interesting)

Ursinus over Fords (Hard to shoot in the Haverford gym for some reason but Ursinus has some of the best individual players in the conference. Just like last year the Bears will get hot here because of a nice schedule and stay in the top of the conference for awhile)

Hop over McD (Already said my piece about McD and wont belabor it. Hop has players who know how to play, only seen them twice but is Duran the floppiest player in the league?)

Dips over Gburg (Poor Gburg, there were years this game would have been a battle. I hope it is a close one again tonight!)

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on January 26, 2018, 08:34:14 AM
Well played game in Carlisle last night by both teams. Fortunately for this Red Devil fan, the Dickinson men found a way to get the win. The Mules are definitely showing improvement on the defensive end and in my opinion on toughness. Dickinson also played solid defense and executed well enough on offense to find some inside opportunities against a packed in defense. Guys from both teams made some big plays down the stretch including big shots, tough shots, crunch time free throws, great contesting defense and one huge offensive rebound by (I think) Moses Romacki. I particularly liked the officiating. The crew was barely noticeable allowing the players (who were playing physically) to dictate the style of play and the outcome.

Based on what I've seen, despite the difference in overall wins/losses there is no dominant team in the Centennial this year. Plenty of games have been decided based on end game execution and toughness...and the bounce of the ball. This is one thing that I've enjoyed watching Centennial ball for the past seven years. It should be lots of fun watching teams battle for what should be a memorable and well-earned conference championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 26, 2018, 10:30:49 AM
A hard fought game at Haverford last night between the Fords and the Ursinus Bears.  Haverford shot lights out in the first half and led 42-36 at the half and by as much as 9 points early in the second half.  Ursinus tightened their defense in the second half and their depth and size wore the Fords down at the end.  Sophomore Ryan McTamney led the Bears come back.

Commentator reiterated time and again it was the best the Fords have played all year.  They are much improved from the first time we saw them in December.  Coach Doherty has done an excellent job with a team that lacks size, but not tenacity.  Other teams need to pay attention because the Fords will give you a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on January 26, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
At Swarthmore, Walsh proved too much for an undersized Washington squad even with the reining Player of the Week Zac O'dell sitting long stretches in foul trouble and Nate Shafer not playing due to injury. The game was wide open by the half and stayed that way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: txg on January 26, 2018, 11:52:05 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on January 26, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
At Swarthmore, Walsh proved too much for an undersized Washington squad even with the reining Player of the Week Zac O'dell sitting long stretches in foul trouble and Nate Shafer not playing due to injury. The game was wide open by the half and stayed that way.

What is Shafer's status, does anyone know?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: txg on January 26, 2018, 11:52:05 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on January 26, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
At Swarthmore, Walsh proved too much for an undersized Washington squad even with the reining Player of the Week Zac O'dell sitting long stretches in foul trouble and Nate Shafer not playing due to injury. The game was wide open by the half and stayed that way.

What is Shafer's status, does anyone know?

It was an achilles injury - he was supposed to have an MRI on Monday.  I haven't heard anything about the results.  I attended the Dickinson game last Saturday where I believe he was going to try and play, but it was too painful in warmups.  He was jogging on it, but clearly hampered.  Unless the MRI revealed real damage, I doubt he's out for the year or anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 26, 2018, 04:03:09 PM
So, what do we think about the games on the list for tomorrow? Here's what I think:


F&M @ McDaniel: F&M is too talented for this McDaniel team to run with this year. In the past, this game would have given the Dips fits. This year, I don't see that happening. Federici and co are on a mission.


Johns Hopkins @ Ursinus: This should be a fun matchup. I think both these teams will make the playoffs but this game is full of potential first round bye implications. The Helffrich Hooligans will be out in full force in this one, and I think the Bears just have a little too much firepower for the Blue Jays to deal with.


Muhlenberg @ Washington: This could be fun. Mules are 0-4 since the injury of Michael Morreale but are still right in the playoff chase. Meanwhile WAC hasn't won (or played that great) since their 2OT win over Dickinson at The Palestra. Mules are 1-7 on the road this year, and I think the Shoremen find a way to eek out a close win.


#11 Swarthmore @ Gettysburg: Swat continues to lead the CC by one game as they take their show on the road to the Bullets. Speaking of, what's happened to Gettysburg this year? Didn't see them being 5-13 at this point of the campaign. Swat should be able to easily control the boards and tempo and pick up the win in this game.


Haverford @ Dickinson: The Fords have shown flashes of a team that could make a little bit of noise next season. The Red Devils, meanwhile, have been far too inconsistent this season, but still find themselves right in the playoff picture. Oh wait, the first meeting? Dickinson 101, Fords 59. Yeah, nevermind. Dickinson walks away with this one.


What do you all think?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 26, 2018, 04:33:07 PM
CCD3Basketball

Don't disagree with any of your picks or the rationale.  But-----there are no "sure things"and that's why we play the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 26, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 26, 2018, 04:33:07 PM
CCD3Basketball

Don't disagree with any of your picks or the rationale.  But-----there are no "sure things"and that's why we play the games.


It's true, this conference has shown that anything can truly happen
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 26, 2018, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: BeRightOn on January 26, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
At Swarthmore, Walsh proved too much for an undersized Washington squad even with the reining Player of the Week Zac O'dell sitting long stretches in foul trouble and Nate Shafer not playing due to injury. The game was wide open by the half and stayed that way.

Yeah, I think Walsh is a beast and really underrated. I really like his all around game. He and O'dell have played very well together, but I still think that as Yonda goes, the team goes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on January 26, 2018, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 25, 2018, 07:26:08 AM
Regarding plays,  I don't think it's what plays you run, it's how well you execute them.

So true. Same goes for coaches who like to hide their games so the rest of us can't watch them On Demand.

Coach K, Sabin, etc. seem to win championships or at least be in the conversation pretty often... running stuff they have been running for years and having their games completely available and broken down ad nauseam for YEARS.

If players can't execute, it doesn't matter what you are trying to run. I see it every day. I can see one team running a 1-2-2 full court trap that is easily broken and the other running the same trap and getting steals a plenty.
So correct - it is execution.  I have seen plenty of "average " teams that go deep into the tournament because they just execute better at both ends of the floor.  In short, five guys play as one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on January 27, 2018, 09:53:31 AM
After reading all of your posts I see how much this blog has missed me, so I have decided to make my return to the blog as I sit at my kitchen table, drinking my hazelnut coffee with nonfat skim milk and sugar.... with a splash of rum :P. I like the topic of discussing coaches and as many of you know I am a strong believer of my views and stand by what I say, but can admit when I'm wrong. I consider myself somewhat as a figurehead for this blog, similar to what Hubert Humphrey was to the democratic party in the 1968 election. I believe that the Cent historically has some of the best coaches in basketball, but this year there are many new faces who still have something to prove. I have been very impressed with what Loffler has been able to do at Hopkins. They are a fundamental team and exceeded my expectations. Landry over at Swat is a basketball genius and a great recruiter, I believe Swat will be the equivalent to what F&M has been the last decade. Robinson is a legend, there is no debating that. The best coach I have ever personally talked to although it ended with me getting escorted out of the gym by 2 Muhlenberg Managers back in 92'. Hopkins over at my place of worship has overall done a pretty good job with the Mules. He is missing perhaps the teams best player in Peter Morreale. "Big Pete", which they call him on campus suffered an undisclosed injury this past month. In his place came the Spence Duke of Hazard, the undersized big man who has outperformed my prior expectations. When I first saw Duke, I couldn't believe that Hop would start this kid, but boy was I wrong. Watching Duke track down rebounds reminds me of a lion hunting down a zebra, which I had the opportunity to see back in 88' when I was in Rhodesian which is currently known as Zimbabwe. On the topic of the Mules the musically talented "DJ" Jake Brown is also a big contributor, drawing up there newly implemented 1-2-1-1 press. After doing my weekly google search on Jake Brown I came across an article that he is the newest member of the Scranton Shamrock's. I am a little nervous that he will have trouble managing his time with all that basketball and adding his aspirations to become a top-tier DJ. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on January 27, 2018, 10:54:43 AM
Nice piece on Swat basketball:

https://player.fm/series/series-1511256/swarthmore-g-zack-yonda-on-teams-success
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 27, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on January 27, 2018, 10:54:43 AM
Nice piece on Swat basketball:

https://player.fm/series/series-1511256/swarthmore-g-zack-yonda-on-teams-success

It is a nice piece.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 28, 2018, 11:14:13 AM
I didn't hear all of the last 2 F&M broadcasts but I was curious if Tate was sick or injured as he hardly played @ McDaniel and had no fouls. Also It seems like Groll hasn't played the last 2 games is he sick, injured or just not playing. Dips definitely need Tate for a chance against top CC teams, and what happened to the Groll that had 27 or 29 points vs LVC and I think 10+ rebounds. If RS or anyone else knows, otherwise I'll ask next Saturday when I plan to be at Mayser to see if Dips can even the score against the Muhls.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 28, 2018, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on January 26, 2018, 04:03:09 PM
So, what do we think about the games on the list for tomorrow? Here's what I think:


F&M @ McDaniel: F&M is too talented for this McDaniel team to run with this year. In the past, this game would have given the Dips fits. This year, I don't see that happening. Federici and co are on a mission.


Johns Hopkins @ Ursinus: This should be a fun matchup. I think both these teams will make the playoffs but this game is full of potential first round bye implications. The Helffrich Hooligans will be out in full force in this one, and I think the Bears just have a little too much firepower for the Blue Jays to deal with.


Muhlenberg @ Washington: This could be fun. Mules are 0-4 since the injury of Michael Morreale but are still right in the playoff chase. Meanwhile WAC hasn't won (or played that great) since their 2OT win over Dickinson at The Palestra. Mules are 1-7 on the road this year, and I think the Shoremen find a way to eek out a close win.


#11 Swarthmore @ Gettysburg: Swat continues to lead the CC by one game as they take their show on the road to the Bullets. Speaking of, what's happened to Gettysburg this year? Didn't see them being 5-13 at this point of the campaign. Swat should be able to easily control the boards and tempo and pick up the win in this game.


Haverford @ Dickinson: The Fords have shown flashes of a team that could make a little bit of noise next season. The Red Devils, meanwhile, have been far too inconsistent this season, but still find themselves right in the playoff picture. Oh wait, the first meeting? Dickinson 101, Fords 59. Yeah, nevermind. Dickinson walks away with this one.


What do you all think?



3-2. Meh. Maybe I should just stick to observing? Nice job by the Mules to overcome a pair of big deficits and boy was I wrong about the Blue Jays.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 12:33:26 PM
Good thing this isn't called a blog...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: guest323 on January 30, 2018, 03:58:12 AM
Is this a down year for the conference? Hasn't G-Burg's coach has been there since Lincoln was in office?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2018, 08:58:16 AM
Quote from: guest323 on January 30, 2018, 03:58:12 AM
Is this a down year for the conference? Hasn't G-Burg's coach has been there since Lincoln was in office?

He wrote Lincoln's Gettysburg address as the recruiting coordinator.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Team First on January 30, 2018, 09:20:09 AM
QuoteIs this a down year for the conference? Hasn't G-Burg's coach has been there since Lincoln was in office?

There are two teams in the top 25 and Bennett Rankings has the Centennial at 15 out of 44. That's probably enough to make the case that no, this is not a down year. I've found the quality of play to be very good this year especially as the season has gone on and the teams in the bottom half have found ways to be more competitive. One of the biggest turnarounds I've witnessed live is Haverford. I saw them sit in a zone and get hammered by Dickinson (101-59) at home early in the year and then last week they played a more aggressive man defense; it was a battle until the last few minutes when Dickinson made a game ending run to win by 10. That same Haverford team took Swathmore to OT just one week earlier. Muhlenberg seems to be responding well to their new coach and is still in the hunt for a play-off spot. Meanwhile, Hopkins has shown themselves to be a force on defense; Massey has them as the number two rated defense in all of D3. They are playing the best ball in the conference right now. I still think the top teams in the Centennial can compete with the top teams anywhere. Dickinson has early season wins over CNU and Mount St Josephs and they led York until the last minutes in a heart breaker of a loss. I was present at all those games including a good contest with St Thomas early and there is no doubt that Dickinson can play and win at that level...and they sit in fifth place right now. Can you make an equally strong case that the conference is down?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 31, 2018, 12:57:03 PM
Interesting day in the CC! Obviously the F&M/Ursinus game has the most sparkle, if Tate can play meaningful minutes I think the Dips will be fine.

All the other top teams are on the road against the bottom half of the conference- someone is going to get caught snoozing, but who will it be?!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ReturnOFmonix on January 31, 2018, 01:04:06 PM
No talk about the Goodman/ Hopkins shove match in the hand shake line? Weren't they suspended a game?!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 31, 2018, 01:26:29 PM
You're just bringing this up now?! I don't even know what you are talking about!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2018, 10:53:36 PM
Muhlenberg took down Swarthmore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on February 01, 2018, 07:54:06 AM
Rindock was Rindonculous. Scored his 1000th point and just kept going...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2018, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2018, 10:53:36 PM
Muhlenberg took down Swarthmore.

Shafer played 13 minutes, but I'm not sure he's entirely healthy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: swatfan#2 on February 01, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
Swat didn't shoot well from the free throw line either.  Rindock certainly had one of those games.  Not only did Shafer play limited minutes but O'Dell was in foul trouble all night.  Just one of those games.  Puts Swat in a tough spot tho as they lose the tie-breaker to F&M right now.  They play last game of regular season but Swat still has to go on the road to Ursinus and Hop, tough spots to play.  Much easier to host the conference tournament for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HoopGuru on February 01, 2018, 12:18:48 PM
A generous 33 FTs for F&M last night.  For the fan base/coach that regularly complains about officiating I guess that seems about right 🤔
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 01, 2018, 12:28:56 PM
Lots of questions about the officiating at the Mayser Center last night which resulted in 23 PF for Ursinus and 16 for the Dips and the resulting 33 free throw attempts for F&M as opposed to 21 for the Bears.  The biggest question is why the officials did not allow Rafferty's three at the final buzzer?  Looked to me like it beat the buzzer but I don't know what the call was.  It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game but it could be a factor in potential tie-breaker scenarios.

Bears lost due to the difference in free throw scoring and self inflicted lapses in ball security (22 turnovers) compounded by an inability to guard Tate, particularly in the first half when he scored 25 of F&M's 42 points.  Unfortunate because the Bears held Federici and McGrath in check for most of the game.  Credit to the Dips, they closed better than the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 01, 2018, 01:55:42 PM
The  box score on Dip hoops site and recap have the buzzer beater counting. It looked like it was in time to me also. Where does it indicate it did not count?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 01, 2018, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 01, 2018, 12:28:56 PM
It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game but it could be a factor in potential tie-breaker scenarios.

No, it could not. Differential is not part of the tie-breaking criteria for Centennial Conference basketball.

http://www.centennial.org/Manual/2017-18/sports/Basketball-M.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on February 01, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
Player of the Year has been officially sealed up. Nick Rindock was unconscious as the mighty mules took down a depleting Swarthmore team. The atmosphere was electric and Rindock has proven himself to be THE BEST PLAYER IN THE CONFERENCE. Not only did the Mules pull this upset off, they did it without Pete Morreale and Spencer The Duke of Hazzard. Landry looked like a lost puppy on the sideline and really disappointed me out there, I could feel his insecurties from the 5th row. I feel as if he has lost the team and even heard Yonda and Walsh getting into with him on the sideline. On the other sideline, Hopkins and Brown proved that they are the fearless leaders that the Mules need. THIS IS OUR YEAR MULES FANS. I have literally not slept since the game. My wife tried to sedtate me with copious amounts of Xnax but nothing can slow me down now. I have wactehd the Rindock interview at least 20 times last night. I havn't been this proud of anybody for quiet sometime. I have never been this proud of any of my 5 chilldren, praise Rindock, priase Brown, LONG LIVE THE MULES.     
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 01, 2018, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 01, 2018, 01:55:42 PM
The  box score on Dip hoops site and recap have the buzzer beater counting. It looked like it was in time to me also. Where does it indicate it did not count?

D.B.

In the  box score.  Final would have been 80-77 vice 80-74.  Also, Rafferty was not credited with a 3 in the box score.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 01, 2018, 03:23:59 PM
D.B.

I stand corrected.  I have in front of me the box score posted on the Centennial Conference web page from last night that shows the final as 80-74.  It has been changed to 80-77, so they did count it.  Sorry about that.  I was very distraught with the way the Bears threw the ball away at the end.  We don't have a finisher right now but we have some potential in the freshman and sophomore classes. Go Bears!


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 01, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Gburg's coach is retiring:
http://gettysburgsports.com/news/2018/2/1/petrie-to-retire-as-mens-basketball-mens-golf-coach.aspx

Truly a change in guard in the CC going on.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 02, 2018, 04:46:23 PM
Picks for this weekend, anyone?


Dickinson @ Johns Hopkins: Blue Jays should win this one, but I think Dickinson finds a way to keep it close.


McDaniel @ Swarthmore: I would NOT want to be the Green Terror tomorrow, not after Swarthmore went down on Wednesday night. Garnet should roll in this one.


Gettysburg @ Haverford: We'll see how good the Fords are. If they truly are a team that could be building to make a little noise next year with a second year head coach, this is the type of game they should win against a Gettysburg team that has fallen off the map. Does that mean they will? Well, who knows? Had a 14 point lead at Washington the other night and let it slip away too....would love to see Petrie pick up a couple of wins down the stretch and go out the right way, but I think the Fords find a way to eek this one out.


Muhlenberg @ Franklin & Marshall: Can the Mules pull off the double over F&M? They already own a 2 point win over the Dips this year, and just took down Swarthmore in OT the other night. But that being said, I think Federici and company will be just a little too much for the Mules tomorrow.


Ursinus @ Washington: Again, this is one of those games on paper that Ursinus should win, but you never know when teams travel to the Eastern Shore. And with Saturday apparently being Alumni Day, there should be plenty of energy inside of Cain. It all depends on which Washington team shows up: the one that hung 111 on Dickinson at The Palestra, or the one who barely managed 53 and got blown out at home by Gettysburg? This is a game that the Bears should win, but don't be surprised to see Washington pull off an upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on February 02, 2018, 05:22:59 PM
Sorry, I've been silent the last couple days, I Just returned from my post-mules victory bender. Having said that, I want to apologize to all of my 5 children, my wife made me aware of my actions and I regret those words. Having said that I am confident that the Mules will keep this streak of beating top 25 teams. It is very hard to beat F&M twice in one year, but anything is possible with the acrobatic Rindock who is the fearless leader that has just recently emerged for the Mules. Alongside Rindock, I believe O-O-O-wen McCloud will be a matchup nightmare for the dips guards. He is probably the most consistent 2-way player the Mules have on the roster. Also, is it too early to say the Hopkins is the new Marshall and Brown is the New Donaldson who we all know was the Gettysburg assistant womens basketball coach back in 02. My sources have not confirmed if the Duke of Hazard will be back from his recent encounter with the common cold. Have not been told about the freshman sensation Peter Morreale's return, I fear he might have lost the love of the game and maybe the mules should just move on from him. I also heard rumors that Gnias got a technical last game and that is completely false. He will be playing in his 56th consecutive game without a tech, keep up the good work son. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 04, 2018, 02:07:07 PM
Routine day yesterday with no upsets and no blowouts.  I watched the UC/WC game on line.  Good crowd but what a strange gym.  WC played well and kept the game within reach until the end.  They do not have the size to match up with the Bears.
Quattro had 20 at halftime and finished with a double double---27 points and 10 rebounds.  They doubled him the second half. McTamney helped out with 21.  All in all, a good workman like "get back on track" win for the Bears after losses to JHU and F&M. 

Some big games on Wednesday with playoff implications ----F&M at JHU,  Swat at UC. Muhlenberg at Haverford, Gettysburg at Dickinson and, for Maryland bragging rights, WC at McDaniel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 05, 2018, 12:06:27 AM
Go Eagles
Foles is tough
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on February 07, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
Anybody know if the Mules are still making the trip to Haverford??? Don't want to drive down there for no game like I did in 04!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
They usually post changes on websites... no change as of now.

McDaniel has postponed their game with Washington until tomorrow... now part of a double-header.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:44:02 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on February 07, 2018, 09:46:54 PM
Centfan you are right! Foles delivered me something I never thought I would see- an Eagles Super Bowl! One of my favorite athletes in Philly history, although nobody comes close to Julius Erving for me! God has blessed Philly with this championship, plus Embiid and Simmons! Sunday was one of the greatest days of my life.  Years of torture have paid off!

Sorry for the distraction, back to the cent.  How do we all feel about the Mules chances of making the playoffs? If only the F&M game hadn't slipped away, I think they would be in excellent position.  However, not so sure now. What a turn around that would be, with a first year coach.  In the big upset against Swat, Rindock was sensational! Where do you guys feel he falls in terms of all-conference picks? Overall, I've been really impressed with the rookie coaches this year. Seems like all of them have been successful, which bodes well for the future of the conference.

Let me know what you guys think! Go Mules!

In Foles we trust!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: victorborga on February 08, 2018, 01:59:08 PM
Long time reader, wanted to make a comment on last week's discussion about the league being down or not.  I believe it is down, but it's not strictly a Cent problem, it's a widespread issue across most of, if not all of D3.  The transfer epidemic that sees 35% of D1 players change schools, combined with too many other players leaving school early for myriad reasons, causes nearly 50% of D1 roster turnover every season.  This trickles down to the D3 level, robbing it of the talent and depth it used to have.  I can't say for certainty this is the case in the Midwest, where D3 seems to be especially strong, but on the east coast, it sure as heck seems to be accurate.  Anyone 6'7 or bigger that has a pulse gets a scholarship these days, be it D1 or D2, so bigs are not "settling" for D3 anymore.  Where are the impact freshmen?  I count Delaney at Hopkins, anybody have another?  Morreale was having a productive year, but has missed half of it with injury.  F&M came in with a heralded class, haven't seen consistent production from any of them.  Dickinson, Ursinus, nothing to be seen there either.  The Soph class has a few more studs, but not nearly as many as the JR and SR classes do.  Also, very little depth in the conference, at virtually any school, though I guess that is not totally uncommon.  I will say the young coaching changes at Muhlenberg, Haverford and Hopkins have breathed life into those schools, and the same thing is likely to happen at Gettysburg in a few months.  The league is competitive and there are good teams and players, but as a whole I just see it being down, and unfortunately I see it trending that way for the near future.  Looking forward to feedback from the veterans here, am I nuts?  Should be a fun few weeks coming up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2018, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: victorborga on February 08, 2018, 01:59:08 PM
Long time reader, wanted to make a comment on last week's discussion about the league being down or not.  I believe it is down, but it's not strictly a Cent problem, it's a widespread issue across most of, if not all of D3.  The transfer epidemic that sees 35% of D1 players change schools, combined with too many other players leaving school early for myriad reasons, causes nearly 50% of D1 roster turnover every season.  This trickles down to the D3 level, robbing it of the talent and depth it used to have.  I can't say for certainty this is the case in the Midwest, where D3 seems to be especially strong, but on the east coast, it sure as heck seems to be accurate.  Anyone 6'7 or bigger that has a pulse gets a scholarship these days, be it D1 or D2, so bigs are not "settling" for D3 anymore. Where are the impact freshmen?  I count Delaney at Hopkins, anybody have another?  Morreale was having a productive year, but has missed half of it with injury.  F&M came in with a heralded class, haven't seen consistent production from any of them.  Dickinson, Ursinus, nothing to be seen there either.  The Soph class has a few more studs, but not nearly as many as the JR and SR classes do.  Also, very little depth in the conference, at virtually any school, though I guess that is not totally uncommon.  I will say the young coaching changes at Muhlenberg, Haverford and Hopkins have breathed life into those schools, and the same thing is likely to happen at Gettysburg in a few months.  The league is competitive and there are good teams and players, but as a whole I just see it being down, and unfortunately I see it trending that way for the near future.  Looking forward to feedback from the veterans here, am I nuts?  Should be a fun few weeks coming up.

I've posted these sentiments about the Landmark; Jay Howard of Catholic, a current senior, is the last quality player to come into the conference; it's been a 3-year drought and counting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 03:42:24 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on February 08, 2018, 10:09:00 PM
@BleedingGreen:
I do not believe the Mules will make the playoffs. The reason why is that Spencer the "Dukes of Hazard" is still out and no sign that Peter Morreale will be making a return anytime soon. Only so much Coach Brown can do on the sideline. Also, Rindock has totally let the 1,000 points go to his head. He has been a bit of a ball hog and heard him yelling at one of the bench players during a timeout. Also, anybody else impressed with the play of drastically underused Alex Mitton. Kid impressed me, been on the team 3 years and feel like he should have been getting minutes a long time ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 09, 2018, 12:22:56 PM
Coming down the home stretch here and there are a ton of seeding implications left. Here is a look at the remaining schedule for teams in the hunt:

Swarthmore: toughest remaining schedule of contenders.
@ JHU
vs Haverford
vs F&M
Opponents have 57.7% win percentage (in conference)

F&M
vsWash
vs Dickinson
@ Swat
Opponents  55.5%

JHU
vs Swat
@ Wash
@Haverford

Opponent 40%

Ursinus
@Dickinson
@Muhlenberg

vs Gettysburg
Opponent 46.6%

Dickinson
vs Ursinus
@F&M
@Washington

55.5%

Muhlenberg
@Gettysburg
vs Ursinus
@ McDaniel
Opponent 35.5%

Mules have a solid chance of getting into the playoffs, and if they take care of business they could even hot the play-in game.
The F&M/Swat game has so many different ways it could affect seeding because of potential tie breakers between F&M/Swat/JHU.
If I were betting I would say the final order is this:
Swat
JHU
F&M
Dickinson
Muhlenberg

Let's Go!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 09, 2018, 09:04:13 PM
noonhooper,

Good guess.  I will counter with my prediction of Swat, F&M, JHU, Ursinus and Dickinson in that order.  Hopefully, Ursinus will recover from the flu bug that has been decimating them for the past 10 days.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 10, 2018, 11:56:31 AM
So your guess is that nothing changes? I think there are too many matchups left that will cause some moving up or down. Dickinson always plays their best ball right now and they can really impact F&M and Ursinus. I don't know how "decimated" the Bears are since every player was suited up for the game on Wednesday. They may have been sluggish during that game if some of them were just recovering (although they looked more shook by good defense than a virus) but going forward I think that would just be an excuse rather than a reason. Ursinus has some of the best players in the conference every year, you'd think they could make some real noise at some point. Let's play the games!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 10, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on February 10, 2018, 11:56:31 AM
So your guess is that nothing changes? I think there are too many matchups left that will cause some moving up or down. Dickinson always plays their best ball right now and they can really impact F&M and Ursinus. I don't know how "decimated" the Bears are since every player was suited up for the game on Wednesday. They may have been sluggish during that game if some of them were just recovering (although they looked more shook by good defense than a virus) but going forward I think that would just be an excuse rather than a reason. Ursinus has some of the best players in the conference every year, you'd think they could make some real noise at some point. Let's play the games!

They dressed 14 of 16.  Two were missing. Several were sluggish on recovering from the flu.  No doubt Swat played a great game and is the better team.  You may have noticed that Coach Small was wearing a surgical face mask as he has been sick in bed all week and foolishly got up for the game. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 10, 2018, 06:40:58 PM
JHU takes down F&M and Swat in 1 week both in 2OT games that could have  gone either way.
I have no idea how the tie breakers may work for the CC playoffs, but I'm pretty sure they're are going to be several really good games. The 2/3 might end up being essentially a NCAA play-in game, but all 3 might get in.
Definitely some of the best CC bball in a while.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on February 12, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
My understanding is that tiebreakers are first head to head, and then goes record against highest ranked conference opponent for which there isn't a season split. So for example, let's say Swarthmore, F&M, and Johns Hopkins all end up tying (i.e. having gone 1-1 against each other over the course of the season, and all finishing with the same conference record), in that case, the tie breaker would be determined by who went 2-0 agains the 4th place team. If there is still a tie, it would then go down to record against the 5th place team, and so on until the tie is broken.

If memory serves, a few years ago (sometime in the last five years) there was a tie-breaker for a 2-3 seed (which ultimately doesn't matter in the tournament) that went all the way down to record vs. the 7th best team in the league.

The last two games are going to be extremely interesting in determining who will host the conference tournament. Here are the schedules for the three teams remaining that are vying for the top seed:

Johns Hopkins:
@ Washington College
@ Haverford

Franklin & Marshall:
v. Dickinson
@ Swarthmore

Swarthmore:
v. Haverford
v. F&M

With no disrespect intended to the teams not currently in the top five, it would appear that barring surprise, Hopkins will go 2-0 in those two remaining contests. Franklin & Marshall clearly has the most difficult schedule, and will need to bounce back to avenge their loss earlier this season to Dickinson. Though there are a number of scenarios that can play out here, if Hopkins wins out, and then F&M goes 2-0, F&M likely has the tie-breaker because they went 2-0 over Ursinus, while Johns Hopkins went 1-1. If Swarthmore goes 2-0, they would also have the tie-breaker over Johns Hopkins by virtue of their record over Ursinus as well. Much of this assumes that Ursinus finishes as the 4 seed, and Dickinson the 5, though that is also not a given at this point either. I think the playoff picture should clear up after the mid-week games, but there could be more than a few moving pieces going into Saturday that will determine positioning for the final five teams in the CC tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 12, 2018, 02:28:11 PM
Though the same result in tiebreaking, Dips going 2-0 would give them hosting duties because they would be 2-0 against SWAT it would never get to Ursinus. Admittedly there is less than a 40% chance of F&M pulling that herculean feat off. When they will find themselves in their annual Sisyphean task of missing out on an at large bid. The only way CC could  have 3 teams in is if Dips were to win the automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 12, 2018, 09:09:03 PM
I know we've had two ranked Centennial teams before, but I don't know if we've ever had three.

Until tonight that is.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2017-18/week11
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 12, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 01, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Gburg's coach is retiring:
http://gettysburgsports.com/news/2018/2/1/petrie-to-retire-as-mens-basketball-mens-golf-coach.aspx

Truly a change in guard in the CC going on.

Anyone have any idea or hear rumors of who could be a fit here?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 12, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 01, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Gburg's coach is retiring:
http://gettysburgsports.com/news/2018/2/1/petrie-to-retire-as-mens-basketball-mens-golf-coach.aspx

Truly a change in guard in the CC going on.

Anyone have any idea or hear rumors of who could be a fit here?

I'll start a rumor with the nomination of Nate Davis, currently the G-burg women's coach. He was formerly a collegiate golf coach, also, to fill that position, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2018, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 12, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 01, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Gburg's coach is retiring:
http://gettysburgsports.com/news/2018/2/1/petrie-to-retire-as-mens-basketball-mens-golf-coach.aspx

Truly a change in guard in the CC going on.

Anyone have any idea or hear rumors of who could be a fit here?

I'll start a rumor with the nomination of Nate Davis, currently the G-burg women's coach. He was formerly a collegiate golf coach, also, to fill that position, too.

I'll be happy to squash that rumor. :)

I am sure G'burg is going to go national with this search and I am sure it will be a very popular search.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on February 13, 2018, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 12, 2018, 02:28:11 PM
Though the same result in tiebreaking, Dips going 2-0 would give them hosting duties because they would be 2-0 against SWAT it would never get to Ursinus. Admittedly there is less than a 40% chance of F&M pulling that herculean feat off. When they will find themselves in their annual Sisyphean task of missing out on an at large bid. The only way CC could  have 3 teams in is if Dips were to win the automatic bid.

Spot on D.B. The tiebreaker with Swarthmore and F&M would I think only occur if F&M beat Dickinson and then lost to Swarthmore, combined with Swarthmore losing to Haverford. Also, it would mean that Hopkins would have to drop one of two to either Haverford of WAC...

Sisyphean is now my new favorite way of describing F&M's attempts at making the NCAA tournament short of winning the CC. That said, three CC teams in the top 25 doesn't hurt, though I suppose it comes down more to regional rankings than anything else.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 13, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2018, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 12, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 01, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Gburg's coach is retiring:
http://gettysburgsports.com/news/2018/2/1/petrie-to-retire-as-mens-basketball-mens-golf-coach.aspx

Truly a change in guard in the CC going on.

Anyone have any idea or hear rumors of who could be a fit here?

I'll start a rumor with the nomination of Nate Davis, currently the G-burg women's coach. He was formerly a collegiate golf coach, also, to fill that position, too.

I'll be happy to squash that rumor. :)

I am sure G'burg is going to go national with this search and I am sure it will be a very popular search.

A national search sounds good but not necessary IMO. Their rosters over the years are filled with student athletes from PA, MD, VA, NY and NJ. Sprinkle in an international player every few years and there it is. It's fairly similar across sports. I just don't think Gettysburg, AS TERRIFIC AND FANTASTIC the "Battlefield" is as an institution, pulls nationally (specifically athletics) as much as the likes of Haverford, Swat, FnM. I think a younger coach with head coaching experience from the area/region with Centennial experience (recruiting) would be ideal. I just don't think a "re tread" or assistant with no HC experience is the answer whether D1, 2 or 3. Youth and excitement.... someone who knows the MD, VA, PA, NJ, NY recruiting trail. Gettysburg as a town/area is not the most exciting and attractive place to live so pulling someone like Swat did from out of the area may not be as doable. The head coaching experience should be D3 too. As great of a hire as Swat made, he has already been looking for jobs to move on from. D1 guys get that in their blood- bouncing around. Hopkins coach was a D3 guy first at Stevens, same with Dickinson- they will be there 10 years minimum each and have both had success.

I don't know much with this stuff--- just some thoughts. Thanks for the dialogue Dave!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: DipsWin13 on February 13, 2018, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 12, 2018, 09:09:03 PM
I know we've had two ranked Centennial teams before, but I don't know if we've ever had three.

Until tonight that is.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2017-18/week11

Thanks to the D3 Hoops Top 25 Poll Archive (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive) it appears the CC has had 3 teams in the Top 25 for four weeks in the 2014-15 season, in weeks 7, 8, 9 and 12.

Very cool to have the Centennial well represented with three teams once again!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 13, 2018, 12:08:58 PM
Glad people are getting use out of it! +k
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2018, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 13, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2018, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 12, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 01, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Gburg's coach is retiring:
http://gettysburgsports.com/news/2018/2/1/petrie-to-retire-as-mens-basketball-mens-golf-coach.aspx

Truly a change in guard in the CC going on.

Anyone have any idea or hear rumors of who could be a fit here?

I'll start a rumor with the nomination of Nate Davis, currently the G-burg women's coach. He was formerly a collegiate golf coach, also, to fill that position, too.

I'll be happy to squash that rumor. :)

I am sure G'burg is going to go national with this search and I am sure it will be a very popular search.

A national search sounds good but not necessary IMO. Their rosters over the years are filled with student athletes from PA, MD, VA, NY and NJ. Sprinkle in an international player every few years and there it is. It's fairly similar across sports. I just don't think Gettysburg, AS TERRIFIC AND FANTASTIC the "Battlefield" is as an institution, pulls nationally (specifically athletics) as much as the likes of Haverford, Swat, FnM. I think a younger coach with head coaching experience from the area/region with Centennial experience (recruiting) would be ideal. I just don't think a "re tread" or assistant with no HC experience is the answer whether D1, 2 or 3. Youth and excitement.... someone who knows the MD, VA, PA, NJ, NY recruiting trail. Gettysburg as a town/area is not the most exciting and attractive place to live so pulling someone like Swat did from out of the area may not be as doable. The head coaching experience should be D3 too. As great of a hire as Swat made, he has already been looking for jobs to move on from. D1 guys get that in their blood- bouncing around. Hopkins coach was a D3 guy first at Stevens, same with Dickinson- they will be there 10 years minimum each and have both had success.

I don't know much with this stuff--- just some thoughts. Thanks for the dialogue Dave!

Nonetheless -- nobody does a "regional search." It's either hire from within, pick a hand-picked successor, or open up the position widely. That's what a national search is. It's not a declaration that the school thinks it's a national instutition.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on February 13, 2018, 06:38:30 PM
Hello Fellow Bloggers:
I just wanted to get everybody's prediction about how this season is going to end. I know many of you don't agree with my perception on the Cent, but please be respectful, I get enough $*** from my wife and my doctors. 

1. F&M: The reason why I believe F&M will beat Swat in the final game is the Dips backcourt. Fed and Tate know whats on the line and believe they will be bringing the regular season chip back to Lancaster and the Dip Zone will be rocking more than it was in 98.

2. John's Hopkins: I am putting them 2nd because I do think they will win out, but haven't been able to figure out this tie-break situation. All of these teams will have a win against each other and honestly I have no idea how this works so there 2.

3. Swat: After admitting I don't know how the tiebreak works, I put Swat in 3rd.

4. Dickinson: They are well coached and show some real signs of growth from the beginning of the year, but have no shot of winning the 4-5 game because of their opponent.

5. Mules: THE MULES ARE BACK AND BETTER THAN EVER. The only person who can stop Rindock is Ted Hinnenkamp and he's working at Morgan Stanley probably committing tax fraud (corporate greed). The Mules will lock up the 5th place even with all the injuries they have encountered. The Duke of Hazard is back and Coach Brown told me that Coach Hopkins told him that Duke is playing as well as Brandon Jones played back in 08 for Amherst. No word on Pete, probably a lost cause at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 14, 2018, 12:54:56 AM
Makes sense, thanks Pat!



Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2018, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 13, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2018, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 12, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on February 01, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Gburg's coach is retiring:
http://gettysburgsports.com/news/2018/2/1/petrie-to-retire-as-mens-basketball-mens-golf-coach.aspx

Truly a change in guard in the CC going on.

Anyone have any idea or hear rumors of who could be a fit here?

I'll start a rumor with the nomination of Nate Davis, currently the G-burg women's coach. He was formerly a collegiate golf coach, also, to fill that position, too.

I'll be happy to squash that rumor. :)

I am sure G'burg is going to go national with this search and I am sure it will be a very popular search.

A national search sounds good but not necessary IMO. Their rosters over the years are filled with student athletes from PA, MD, VA, NY and NJ. Sprinkle in an international player every few years and there it is. It's fairly similar across sports. I just don't think Gettysburg, AS TERRIFIC AND FANTASTIC the "Battlefield" is as an institution, pulls nationally (specifically athletics) as much as the likes of Haverford, Swat, FnM. I think a younger coach with head coaching experience from the area/region with Centennial experience (recruiting) would be ideal. I just don't think a "re tread" or assistant with no HC experience is the answer whether D1, 2 or 3. Youth and excitement.... someone who knows the MD, VA, PA, NJ, NY recruiting trail. Gettysburg as a town/area is not the most exciting and attractive place to live so pulling someone like Swat did from out of the area may not be as doable. The head coaching experience should be D3 too. As great of a hire as Swat made, he has already been looking for jobs to move on from. D1 guys get that in their blood- bouncing around. Hopkins coach was a D3 guy first at Stevens, same with Dickinson- they will be there 10 years minimum each and have both had success.

I don't know much with this stuff--- just some thoughts. Thanks for the dialogue Dave!

Nonetheless -- nobody does a "regional search." It's either hire from within, pick a hand-picked successor, or open up the position widely. That's what a national search is. It's not a declaration that the school thinks it's a national instutition.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:03:29 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on February 14, 2018, 08:16:59 PM
Any Dickinson fans on here have an idea of whats going on with Elijiah Wright? Haven't seen him all semester long. Is he still on the team, suspended, etc? Was hoping to see him against the Dips today but no show.

SB: Heres to hoping the Cent Playoffs isn't hosted at Hopkins. The venue sucks it feels like my grandmothers walk-in closet with things she hasn't worn since the 80's and probably doesn't even know is in there anymore. To say it gets cluttered is an understatement and parking near the arena is TERRIBLE!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nothingbutnet on February 14, 2018, 10:00:00 PM
Looks like it will come down to F&M-Swarthmore for hosting (I'm assuming that Hopkins takes care of business). Here's how I see it:

1. If F&M wins...F&M will host due to a 2-0 record against Swat (breaking the tie with Hopkins, who split)
2. If Swat wins...Swat will host because Ursinus can't finish behind Muhlenberg (Hopkins split with Ursinus, Swat swept the Bears, which breaks the tie. Both teams swept Dickinson)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like it can't be in Baltimore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on February 15, 2018, 01:56:41 AM
Well well well.... its been too long but Corp. is back.  Been to my first mule game since the hip injury (damn wife didnt put salt down on the driveway i fell and damaged my hip.).  Nothing like getting back to the barn for a game with playoff implications.  What a game for maybe 4/7th of the game.  Williams got a lot of looks early and hit early which gave him confidence for the rest of the game.  Ursinus size overwhelmed the Mules who usually play 4 guards/wings around 1 big got exposed by the 2 big man offense of ursinus.  Overall was happy with the level of play I saw.  Some ridiculous talent on display with Williams, Rindock going back and forth making shots and assisting on plays then Mcleod/Baez vs Quattro/Stark.  Man that was fun to see.  As a Mule fan, Best of luck to Ursinus in the playoffs moving forward talk about a great team win.

Now on another hand..., what are we thinking for the all league teams/awards? I know there is still a game left but I think it is pretty wrapped up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 16, 2018, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: nothingbutnet on February 14, 2018, 10:00:00 PM
Looks like it will come down to F&M-Swarthmore for hosting (I'm assuming that Hopkins takes care of business). Here's how I see it:

1. If F&M wins...F&M will host due to a 2-0 record against Swat (breaking the tie with Hopkins, who split)
2. If Swat wins...Swat will host because Ursinus can't finish behind Muhlenberg (Hopkins split with Ursinus, Swat swept the Bears, which breaks the tie. Both teams swept Dickinson)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like it can't be in Baltimore.


This is correct. Winner of F&M/Swat tomorrow hosts the conference tournament and the loser slots in at either 2 or 3 depending on what JHU does against the Fords (not that 2 or 3 matters, unless someone is superstitious about jersey color, I suppose).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 17, 2018, 04:07:22 PM
Why no video feed from from SWAT, many would like to see that critical scrum
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on February 17, 2018, 10:07:23 PM
Swarthmore victorious in a gutty performance, a low-scoring 58-56. Outstanding rim protection by Swat; tenacious D from both sides. Yonda leads all scorers with 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2018, 01:33:18 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 17, 2018, 04:07:22 PM
Why no video feed from from SWAT, many would like to see that critical scrum

I watched Swarthmore's video feed. It was pretty good, actually.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on February 18, 2018, 07:23:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2018, 01:33:18 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 17, 2018, 04:07:22 PM
Why no video feed from from SWAT, many would like to see that critical scrum

I watched Swarthmore's video feed. It was pretty good, actually.

There's some weirdness with Stretch portal video players updating lately. If you get a "stream not available" error, try emptying your browser's cache.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2018, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: sunny on February 18, 2018, 07:23:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2018, 01:33:18 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 17, 2018, 04:07:22 PM
Why no video feed from from SWAT, many would like to see that critical scrum

I watched Swarthmore's video feed. It was pretty good, actually.

There's some weirdness with Stretch portal video players updating lately. If you get a "stream not available" error, try emptying your browser's cache.

It happened Wednesday to me trying to watch Scranton and Susquehanna video;  switched to ROKU, instead.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on February 18, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
Gentleman a disappointing end to the Mules season, can't really blame the players for not having enough energy down at McDaniel. Tough way to go out with back-to-back losses.  Hopefully the young core can learn from this and use it as motivation to come back better than ever. 

The senior class showed me something this year, especially given the new coach. They were put in a tough situation, but they made the most of it.  I remember hearing about this class and how good they were supposed to be, yet they never played in a playoff game and over half of the original recruiting class quit.  Has to be considered a disappointment as a class.  Moving forward, I hope Hopkins is able to recruit more guys like Mitton.  Grit & hustle goes a long way in this league and he demonstrated it.  He had a nice end of the season, as he played hard and well in a few games.  As an old school fan, I appreciate his willingness to put his body on the line.

I think the Mules are poised for a playoff run next year.  Returning Gnias and Werheim to go along with Hank's favorites of Morrealle (whose name is Mike, not Pete) and Spencer Duke should be interesting.  I wonder if any of the freshman from the end of the bench will make an impact next year, with big minute guys Rindock and McLeod moving on to the next level.  I'm hoping  Ryan Gaynor can develop a bit more and make a run at being an all-conference level player.  Swat and F&M and Ursinus lose some key pieces, and I think the Mules can replace their losses a little more.

Good luck to all those whose teams are still alive.  As usual, another great year in the great Cent.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 20, 2018, 05:45:51 PM
Who we got in the game tonight?
Any thoughts on the F&M/JHU rubber match?

Who will be all-conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:45:11 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on February 21, 2018, 06:08:39 PM
All Conf Predictions:

POY: Federici, this is kind of like LeBron James where you can theoretically give it to him every year, so the committee will reward him with him as the player of the year in his final season.

1st Team:

Cam Wiley
Nick Rindock
Zack Quattro
Mike Gardner
Zack Yonda

2nd Team:

Matt England
Kyle Doran
Josh McWilliams
Joe Scibelli
Rob Walsh

Honorable Mention

Matt Gnias
Cam Stewart
Tas Dixon

Coach of the Year:
Loeffler

Rookie of the year:
Michael or Pete Morreale, whatever his name actually is (very few impact rookies this season)

Let me know feedback. I am writing this without stats in front of me, figured it would be more authentic if I wrote solely off of memory of play and the eye test.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 21, 2018, 08:34:40 PM
I'll give you my 15 names and you can put them on whatever of the three teams you choose

Swat: Wiley, Zonda, O'Dell, Walsh
F&M: Federici, Tate
JHU: Gardner, Doran
UC: Quattro, Williams Jr
Dick: Melton, Allen
Muhl: Rindock
Haverford: Scibelli
Getty: England
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on February 23, 2018, 10:22:23 AM
I wish the Centennial would consider using alternate venues for the playoff games. I was having nightmares thinking about finding parking at Swat for today's games. I remember going to Swat for the game last year and parking was horrendous. The school doesn't provide adequate parking, even though the gym is one of the nicer gyms in the conference. The same goes for Johns Hopkins, Gettysburg and a handful of other schools. The best venues, in my opinion, to host an event of this magnitude is F&M & Dickinson, since they gyms are nice and there is ample parking for visitors. Now I know this wouldn't be fair to the school that wins out if they are outside of those two schools, but fan consideration should be taken into account. This is why I believe an alternative site/venue would be to the conference benefit. What are some thought? 


Sidebar: I personally don't think Hopkins should ever host the Conference playoffs if they win out. The parking in Baltimore is terrible and their gym in a closet. It feels like I'm in my grandmothers closet and I'm finding things from the 70's that she doesn't even know she owns. The venue is terrible. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on February 23, 2018, 10:24:02 AM
Quote from: GoDiplomats on February 23, 2018, 10:22:23 AM
I wish the Centennial would consider using alternate venues for the playoff games. I was having nightmares thinking about finding parking at Swat for today's games. I remember going to Swat for the game last year and parking was horrendous. The school doesn't provide adequate parking, even though the gym is one of the nicer gyms in the conference. The same goes for Johns Hopkins, Gettysburg and a handful of other schools. The best venues, in my opinion, to host an event of this magnitude is F&M & Dickinson, since they gyms are nice and there is ample parking for visitors. Now I know this wouldn't be fair to the school that wins out if they are outside of those two schools, but fan consideration should be taken into account. This is why I believe an alternative site/venue would be to the conference benefit. What are some thought? 


Sidebar: I personally don't think Hopkins should ever host the Conference playoffs if they win out. The parking in Baltimore is terrible and their gym in a closet. It feels like I'm in my grandmothers closet and I'm finding things from the 70's that she doesn't even know she owns. The venue is terrible.

BTW: Dips in 8!!!!!! GO DIPS!!!!! Pulling for you tonight. Hopefully, the right Federici shows up tonight and if not Tate has to be a dog.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: txg on February 23, 2018, 10:57:08 AM
Or you could park in town or at the train station and walk like 300 yards to the gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on February 23, 2018, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: txg on February 23, 2018, 10:57:08 AM
Or you could park in town or at the train station and walk like 300 yards to the gym.

Wouldn't have to do that if the venue wasn't so terrible. Tried parking in the hotel parking lot, which you think the college would work something out with them to arrange something for the day (but I guess that too much like right), but hey guess when your school profile is based on the highest of achievers; common sense is too much to request.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: txg on February 23, 2018, 11:11:55 AM
Fair enough.  If your idea of a "nightmare" is finding a parking spot in a suburban location for a game that might draw 300 people then you must be living the greatest life imaginable.  Who am I to begrudge you that?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 23, 2018, 01:29:43 PM
F&M over JHU in another close one (through hopefully not 2OT again!)
Swat easily over Ursinus

Another close CC Championship Game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2018, 01:59:10 PM
I am guessing the only place worth hosting the event is F&M, right?

SMH Good thing we don't worry about those who are having First World problems finding parking when we determine hosts for these events. Those who earned the right are rewarded instead.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on February 23, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2018, 01:59:10 PM
I am guessing the only place worth hosting the event is F&M, right?

SMH Good thing we don't worry about those who are having First World problems finding parking when we determine hosts for these events. Those who earned the right are rewarded instead.


Never stated "the only place worth hosting the event is F&M" but okay, I guess not everyone on here should be able to read. The main focus of the post was intended to convey, a message I'm sure most would agree with, that some venues are better than others. Swat's gym is nice but its small, parking is terrible and the school does little to work with nearby businesses to help out the issue. Excuse my "1st World Problems" for being slightly overdramatic, didn't think you all would get your panties in a twist over a statement about a venue. Additionally, I mentioned other schools being better than others for hosting. Reading is FUNdamental, you should practice it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2018, 02:40:36 PM
Oh, I read it... I took it to the extreme just as you clearly did in your solution.

In no way will I ever advocate in conference tournaments that a school not qualify to host because people don't like the parking situation and feel the gym is too small. There are rules for the NCAAs and for good reasons there, but conference tournaments... absolutely not. If there are problems with gyms, the conference is more than welcome to solve those problems internally. If it is a major problem, they can address it accordingly including saying they can't host (heck, that was told to the Chicago Cubs with the World Series if they didn't add lights). Otherwise, I don't agree with your premise. I think that is what makes DIII and these conference tournaments unique and if a team earns the right... so be it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2018, 05:59:00 PM

Park and take the train like any other urban event?

Also, the last time I was at F&M was for the sectional when MIT played there - and I had to park on the street and walk three blocks to get to the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 23, 2018, 10:27:22 PM
The whole purpose of winning the regular season is to have the game at your gym where you are comfortable and where your fans can support you the most. It looked like the gym was plenty full tonight, why begrudge a school their chance to host this special moment because you have to walk a little farther? Also, Swat is annually picked as one of the prettiest campuses in the state (perhaps the country) so next time enjoy the stroll!

But I guess you wont have to suffer the pain of walking to the Swat gym tomorrow. Plenty of parking available at F&M though I am sure, enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on February 23, 2018, 11:39:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2018, 05:59:00 PM

Also, the last time I was at F&M was for the sectional when MIT played there - and I had to park on the street and walk three blocks to get to the games.
Yeah F&M doesn't have a ton of parking. They were running shuttles from the local baseball stadium for that sectional.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2018, 07:23:07 AM

The late game last night was one of the loudest I've ever been apart of.  That gym's set up pretty well for the volume to carry, but it wasn't super loud last week for the regular season finale.  The Swat fans really showed up tonight and were heard - and Ursinus brought a strong student section.  All four teams had good support.  Not going to make it tonight, but you might see Gordon Mann there, maybe.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 24, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
Congratulations to Swarthmore  and Johns Hopkins for prevailing last night.  Should be an excellent game tonight.  Swat has it going right now.  They are tough on both ends of the floor and both teams should be in the post season win or lose tonight. 

As an aside, both the Dips and the Bears made them work for their wins.  Well done.  Dips have a chance to make the post season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2018, 03:18:40 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 24, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
Congratulations to Swarthmore  and Johns Hopkins for prevailing last night.  Should be an excellent game tonight.  Swat has it going right now.  They are tough on both ends of the floor and both teams should be in the post season win or lose tonight. 

As an aside, both the Dips and the Bears made them work for their wins.  Well done.  Dips have a chance to make the post season.

I don't think F&M's chances are that good, unless you are talking ECAC. Running things in the next 24 hours, but already deep in the MA rankings and didn't help themselves this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on February 26, 2018, 01:24:57 PM
DIPS GET A SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE!!!!!!

Hopefully, Matt Tate learns from Friday's lost he needs to be a dog and GO GET HIS. Watching that game was beyond upsetting as they continuously deferred to Fed, who threw up weak shots left and right. I'd love to ask him if he would really feel comfortable taking that shot again to end his basketball career. To say it was pathetic would be polite. Igans needs to step up and Mike Rice needs to find his head or a basic skill set. Ignas seems to be stuck in his own head. The kid has some potential to be a heck of a player but for whatever reason, can't seem to get out of his own way. Mike Rice, my goodness, I don't even know where to start. How in the world do you come into the game and get three straight turnovers. JUST HOW!!!! GRob now Justin is the better of the two options. He needs to stop being stupid and play Justin and place Mike and the end of the bench where he rightfully belongs.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on February 26, 2018, 03:14:00 PM


Congrats to the THREE Centennial Conference teams that made the 64-team NCAA Division III Tournament - Johns Hopkins, Swarthmore, and Franklin And Marshall. That certainly must be a first! Good luck to all three (especially the Diplomats) - represent the Conference well.

Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on February 26, 2018, 07:22:59 PM
Besides the birth of my kids, this is one of my proudest days on this beautiful planet you "so-called humans" call earth. I understand I am a controversial figure in the Centennial Conference but not one person here can doubt my commitment and passion to this conference. Today is a historic day, having the Cent get 3 teams into the NCAA Tournament. I am going to completely honest and was somewhat surprised that Swat, Hopkins, and F&M all got in. I remember in 2015, I was almost certain that Hopkins, F&M, and Dickinson would all get an innovation to the "big dance". In the words of my arch nemesis Reservedseat/GoDiplomats "F&M was robbed worse than a bank Jesse James hit." Today restitution has been paid in full to the Dips, as they prepare to make a deep run in the tournament. 2014 was still a great year for the conference as Dickinson made a run to the elite 8, lead by the DIII player of the year, Gerry "Garcia" Wixted. Hopkins also received an innovation but in my opinion, showed up a bit drunk to the big dance. Is everybody as amazed as what Loeffler has been able to do with his team. I want to formally apologize for making the statement that "Hopkins would be better off hiring Ira Goldstein." For those of you who don't know Mr. Goldstein was a banker/ my youngest kids rec basketball coach who served 12 years for insider trading, falsifying documents, and securities fraud. Even though Ira didn't know much about basketball, I thought he would be a better option because he is having a hard time finding a job after that whole debacle. I'm sorry Coach Loeffler and I don't want to get ahead of myself but is this the year the Cent will be represented in the Final Four?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2018, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on February 26, 2018, 07:22:59 PM
... is this the year the Cent will be represented in the Final Four?

As opposed to the previous years?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 27, 2018, 06:02:33 AM
Hank: "Hopkins also received an innovation but in my opinion, showed up a bit drunk to the big dance."

You sure it was Hopkins who showed up drunk? =)

Anyways, congrats to all three teams who were picked! Huge honor for the Centennial Conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on February 27, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
I think it is ludicrous that all three teams got into the tournament.  I think if you gave Muhlenberg/Gettysburg/Ursinus the same resume as F&M they are not getting in.  Seems like the classic NBA All-Star bid for a guy's past accomplishments, like Carmelo or Kobe getting to play in the game in recent years.  Alas, congrats to Hopkins on winning the conference.

I believe this may be the beginning of a dynasty in JHU. Ursinus, Swat and F&M are all losing key seniors, the Mules will struggle to replace their senior class, and Gettysburg is in the process of finding a new coach.  Dickinson looms as a threat, but I'm really impressed with the Blue Jays.  A coach can make all the difference in the world, just ask MJ about the impact Phil Jackson had on his team, or see how Steve Kerr turned the Warriors into an absolute juggernaut that can realistically only be stopped by superhuman cyborg LeBron James.  Winning the conference in his first year should make it easy for Loeffler to recruit as well.  Will be interesting to see if the future of the cent lies in Baltimore.

I hope wherever the Dips travel to has the worst parking situation of all DIII schools in the land.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
If any of the schools you mentioned or any other school you want to pick had F&M's resume... they would be in the tournament as well.

We spent quite a bit of time on Hoopsville doing selections on Sunday... F&M was one of our easiest picks. Surprised me initially when I was doing it, but their numbers were quite strong. In fact, their numbers were similar to Albright's and they got in as well ahead of F&M.

You can try and pretend there is an old boys network who gave Robinson a nod, but I can assure you they did it on the up and up using the criteria. There is no need to slap Robinson's back for past accomplishments (for the record, it has been awhile since F&M did anything significant in the tournament)... but it is a futile attempt at trying to create controversy. They weren't even close to not making it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2018, 11:40:23 AM
Quote from: BleedingGreen on February 27, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
I think it is ludicrous that all three teams got into the tournament.  I think if you gave Muhlenberg/Gettysburg/Ursinus the same resume as F&M they are not getting in.  Seems like the classic NBA All-Star bid for a guy's past accomplishments, like Carmelo or Kobe getting to play in the game in recent years.  Alas, congrats to Hopkins on winning the conference.


Albright has, essentially, the same resume as F&M and they got in.  Names have nothing to do with it.  Those numbers were clearly better than other options at the table.  It wasn't even likely a bubble choice.  Even though I've been down on F&M a bit this year, even with the eye test it's pretty clear they're better than some of the other at-large selections (of course, they're also worse than some who got left out, so there's the numbers game again).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on February 27, 2018, 07:40:40 PM
Quote from: BleedingGreen on February 27, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
I think it is ludicrous that all three teams got into the tournament.  I think if you gave Muhlenberg/Gettysburg/Ursinus the same resume as F&M they are not getting in.  Seems like the classic NBA All-Star bid for a guy's past accomplishments, like Carmelo or Kobe getting to play in the game in recent years.  Alas, congrats to Hopkins on winning the conference.

I believe this may be the beginning of a dynasty in JHU. Ursinus, Swat and F&M are all losing key seniors, the Mules will struggle to replace their senior class, and Gettysburg is in the process of finding a new coach.  Dickinson looms as a threat, but I'm really impressed with the Blue Jays.  A coach can make all the difference in the world, just ask MJ about the impact Phil Jackson had on his team, or see how Steve Kerr turned the Warriors into an absolute juggernaut that can realistically only be stopped by superhuman cyborg LeBron James.  Winning the conference in his first year should make it easy for Loeffler to recruit as well.  Will be interesting to see if the future of the cent lies in Baltimore.

I hope wherever the Dips travel to has the worst parking situation of all DIII schools in the land.   ;)

I'm guessing that a shot at me since your team didn't even make it to the conference playoff?!?!? I don't think you're allowed to talk trash until your team is at least somewhat relevant.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on February 28, 2018, 10:56:37 PM
With all due respect Dave, you yourself posted earlier that you didn't like their chances.  I just felt like the three big teams (F&M, Dickinson, and JHU) were better during 2014-15, and they didn't get all three in.  Not sure what changed, but you didn't seem to think they were getting in. I trust your stuff, which is kind of why I had assumed they wouldn't get in.  (I did not listen to the podcast).

@GoDiplomats you complained about parking at Swarthmore like a 17 year old teenager before prom night.  Sorry parking is scarce near the school since there is actually life around the main line, as opposed to Lancaster.  Has nothing to do with the team or school, just you buddy.  As I said to Hank, you just came on here and tore Federici apart, leave the kids alone. 

How does everybody feel about the all-conference selections?  I think they got it mostly right, although I may have had Tate on 2nd team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2018, 11:35:24 PM
I think once one sits down and goes through the full process of putting a bracket together, you get a different perspective on how MANY at-large bids 21 really is!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2018, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: BleedingGreen on February 28, 2018, 10:56:37 PM
With all due respect Dave, you yourself posted earlier that you didn't like their chances.  I just felt like the three big teams (F&M, Dickinson, and JHU) were better during 2014-15, and they didn't get all three in.  Not sure what changed, but you didn't seem to think they were getting in. I trust your stuff, which is kind of why I had assumed they wouldn't get in.  (I did not listen to the podcast).


What changed: their numbers ended up looking better in comparison to the rest of the country than I realized they would look. Even looking at them early on, some numbers didn't look good... but with so many loses in Division III this year and numbers all over the place, the Centennial ended up with better resumes than expected.

There is a reason I try not to dive into the numbers too deep until the last two weeks of the season... they can sometimes provide false info.

And as Pat said, 21 at-large selections is a lot when you start diving in.

BTW - you should listen to the podcast. Not from a selfish point of view, but from the point of view that there is a lot of good information we provide or discover while talking to coaches and guests around the country.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on March 01, 2018, 08:13:47 PM
@Dave: How do I access this podcast? Does this have to do with youtube?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 01, 2018, 08:21:57 PM
Go to the main page. Click on the drop down. Find columns and click on Hoopsville. You can find all the podcasts. Monday the 26th is the pod.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2018, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on March 01, 2018, 08:13:47 PM
@Dave: How do I access this podcast? Does this have to do with youtube?

Quote from: mailsy on March 01, 2018, 08:21:57 PM
Go to the main page. Click on the drop down. Find columns and click on Hoopsville. You can find all the podcasts. Monday the 26th is the pod.

I've also posted the show in this thread several times when having Centennial coaches on the show.

We broadcast live on YouTube (and simulcast on Facebook Live). The show is available On Demand through YT as well. However, there is also an audio-only podcast version of the show available for each episode as well. Can be found basically on each show page. I do see on the main show page we need to add our audio podcast info. Another item for the to-do list.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 02, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
Congrats to what looks like it will be a 3-0 night for the Centennial Conference. The team Swat played was awful. Just awful. Congrats to Cam Wiley who went over 1000 points tonight. To go 3-0 would be a tremendous accomplishment.

On another note, I am really disappointed Robbie Walsh was left off of the All-Conference. I am not sure why, but Seniors seem to get the short end of the stick this time of year. Instead of rewarding them for a great career, they are left off the All-Conference teams.  Anyone who follows Swat, knows the team goes as he goes. I know having four is not really fair, I just think he is tremendous.

Again, congrats to Swat and F&M and probably JH (who are up ten)!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 03, 2018, 06:37:25 AM
hi swatfan
congrats on a good season for swat and for the conference!
loefler has hopkins going well and f&m is still in the mix after all the years of their dominance
i am not sure robbie walsh deserves all conference...maybe honorable mention at best
a 6'8 senior in the centennial should probaby be doing more than 8 pts and 6 rebounds a game to earn a spot
he has been a solid player for four years (who plays half a game) but doesnt seem to have gotten much better if numbers mean anyting at all (which i think they do)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 03, 2018, 08:13:42 AM
Yeah, you are correct. I was only thinking HM. But after going over stats, I think you are right. I just think he does a lot of little things that aren't on the stat sheets. Again, congrats to the conference. What a great night! I don't want to go back and find it, but I know I said JH got a steal of a coach even before the season started. He is tremendous. I would try to sign him long term if I was them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on March 03, 2018, 01:33:38 PM

Fellow Centennial Fans -

Congrats again to Hopkins, Swarthmore, and F&M for representing the Centennial Conference well and for advancing to the Round of 32! Amy thoughts on tonight's match-ups? Good luck to all three.

Go Diplomats!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 03, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
Wow, did not see that coming! Swat drops 97 on Wesleyan! F&M wins too! JH loses to very good MIT team. So, Centennial has two teams in the final 16! Wow! Congrats to both teams! Hoping for a Swat-F&M championship game! =)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nothingbutnet on March 03, 2018, 10:16:33 PM
I'm guessing Swarthmore will travel up to Plattsburgh. Not sure about F&M since the four pod hosts in that quadrant are out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 03, 2018, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: nothingbutnet on March 03, 2018, 10:16:33 PM
I'm guessing Swarthmore will travel up to Plattsburgh. Not sure about F&M since the four pod hosts in that quadrant are out.
I'm guessing ramapo if they put in to host since they were 2nd in the regional rankings.
All 4 teams are within 500 miles so it doesn't matter travel wise.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 04, 2018, 12:01:58 PM
F&M to take on Ramapo at Ramapo. 7:00 Friday
http://ramapoathletics.com/news/2018/3/4/ramapo-to-host-ncaa-mens-basketball-sweet-16.aspx

And Swat is hosting their sectional!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2018, 01:30:12 PM
Quote from: njf1003 on March 04, 2018, 12:01:58 PM
F&M to take on Ramapo at Ramapo. 7:00 Friday
http://ramapoathletics.com/news/2018/3/4/ramapo-to-host-ncaa-mens-basketball-sweet-16.aspx

And Swat is hosting their sectional!

7:30 - Ramapo had the wrong times initially.  5:30 and 7:30 are NCAA standard start times.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 04, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
Swat has a great chance to get to the final four.  F&M's path is very difficult.  Great for the CC to have two still playing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2018, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 04, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
Swat has a great chance to get to the final four.  F&M's path is very difficult.  Great for the CC to have two still playing.

Honestly?  I'd rather have F&M's sectional than Swat's - home court might help, but I think those teams are tougher.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on March 04, 2018, 05:48:49 PM
I am thrilled Swarthmore will have an opportunity to host next weekend! I'm already thinking about how to handle that parking situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2018, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: BeRightOn on March 04, 2018, 05:48:49 PM
I am thrilled Swarthmore will have an opportunity to host next weekend! I'm already thinking about how to handle that parking situation.

I'm planning to get there at 4:30 - should help with parking and with traffic.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 05, 2018, 07:49:11 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2018, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 04, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
Swat has a great chance to get to the final four.  F&M's path is very difficult.  Great for the CC to have two still playing.

Honestly?  I'd rather have F&M's sectional than Swat's - home court might help, but I think those teams are tougher.

I would rather play Plattsburgh at home than Ramapo in Mahwah-----any day.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2018, 07:07:27 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 05, 2018, 07:49:11 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2018, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 04, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
Swat has a great chance to get to the final four.  F&M's path is very difficult.  Great for the CC to have two still playing.

Honestly?  I'd rather have F&M's sectional than Swat's - home court might help, but I think those teams are tougher.

I would rather play Plattsburgh at home than Ramapo in Mahwah-----any day.

I won't knock your opinion, but we'll have to see what happens this weekend. Swat's certainly not got an easy run of things.  Home will help.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 06, 2018, 12:18:56 PM
Ryan,

At this point, none of the paths are easy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 07, 2018, 08:47:31 AM
Any word on the Gettysburg search? Have to think the F&M assistant gets a really good, long look right? (Or does he hold out for F&M) The only other assistant who may be able to get a phone interview in conference would be Dickinson. Chris Rogers, long time F&M assistant and HC at Marymount, could be a name, along with a Centennial alum like Mike McGarvey (Colgate) or Jim Fennerty (Lafayette)- Lehigh has a D3 assistant too, from DeSales.

I think they follow the lead of Swarthmore, Hopkins and Haverford in getting themselves a good solid D1 assistant from a high academic institution.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on March 07, 2018, 11:21:54 AM
Gettysburg job is one of the very best jobs in the conference (maybe the region overall) so I doubt they will hire a d3 assistant coach when they will have d1 assistants or d3 head coaches lining up. McGarvy is a good guess if he wants to return to d3. I would also think that head coaches from 1-bid leagues would be clamoring for an interview. Will be very interesting to watch but I doubt they announce anyone soon, these things take over a month even when they want to speed up the process.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 12:04:49 PM
Job opened only a short time ago... so doubt they would have anything concrete as of yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 07, 2018, 12:12:43 PM
No doubt a good job although I'd say the state of the Centennial is strong making the Centennial not a favorable league to rebuild in right now. Many of the Gettysburg applicants will be NYU applicants I would imagine, for what it's worth. NYU will probably take some time. When I think of GBurg I think of the difficulty presented having to beat out Dickinson, Ursinus, FnM, Swat, JHU for a playoff spot. Mules and Fordes I would project to improve too.  Think of the proven, high level coaches with national talent in that pool of top 5 teams. Many coaches may feel safer in their 1 bid league. I think it is going to be a young, energetic D3 HC.

Centennial is a juggernaut right now...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 07, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 12:04:49 PM
Job opened only a short time ago... so doubt they would have anything concrete as of yet.

The job closing last Friday already and NYU opening sparked the thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on March 07, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 12:04:49 PM
Job opened only a short time ago... so doubt they would have anything concrete as of yet.

The job closing last Friday already and NYU opening sparked the thought.

Yeah... closed usually means they are now making phone calls and checking references... and probably putting their list together. IF they are going quickly, they will have phone interviews done by the end of the week. My gut based on timelines of other schools in the past (both quick and slow) is they will wrap that up next week. I suspect they will have finalists by the end of the month and have them on campus at the end of the month or beginning of April (giving them some latitude with timing).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 09, 2018, 09:59:50 PM
And SWAT is in the final eight with a dominant performance! If they play like that tomorrow night, they will be in the final four. It is great to be a Swat fan tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 10, 2018, 01:16:57 PM
Swat is looking better and better---aging like a fine wine.  Could win it all but the opponents are getting tougher and tougher.

Regarding the Gettysburg job----perhaps Mike Maker (late of Marist and before that Williams) is or will be involved.  He is an excellent coach who ran into recruiting difficulties at Marist.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 10, 2018, 08:47:55 PM
Swat had a great season and an even better first half tonight. I am not sure what happened the second half but the wheels came off the bus. They looked like a different team. They lose a lot for next year. I hope the recruiting class is good. Cam will be double teamed all next year I bet. I raise a toast to a great season. I thought this was Swat's year to go to the final four. For twenty minutes tonight, I thought that would happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 10, 2018, 09:14:05 PM
Agree, don't know what happened in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 10, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 10, 2018, 09:14:05 PM
Agree, don't know what happened in the second half.

Springfield. That's what happened. They've done it all tournament. All on the road. To Albright, Cabrini, Hamilton and now to your Garnet. I was rooting for a PA team to make it. It just wasn't meant to be. As fans you're disappointed. But they got further than they ever had and should be applauded. Swarthmore had a great year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:25:55 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 23, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
Any news/rumors regarding tne Gettysburg job?  With the openings at NYU, Wash U, Getty etc the coaching carousel begins once again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 23, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 23, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
Any news/rumors regarding tne Gettysburg job?  With the openings at NYU, Wash U, Getty etc the coaching carousel begins once again.

I hear they are to their finalists... probably already have them on the campus... but I don't have any concrete names except those that are being floated around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 24, 2018, 11:09:25 AM
Thanks, Dave.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on March 27, 2018, 07:43:43 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if McClarys name came up in the Gettysburg conversation. Capable recruiter in Pennsylvania, knows the conference. Another name I would not be surprised to see is Ryan Germano from McDaniel. Gave up playing division 1 football to make the jump to NJAC basketball. This shows the needed desire and drive to win games in this highly touted conference. Look for Germanos name to be floated around for several jobs in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on March 27, 2018, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on April 07, 2017, 04:34:55 PM
The Mules needed a change and got it with Hopkins, my point was there were bigger fish in the pond. The German import Werheim is a gift for any incoming coach and a former post player can do wonders for him and his teammates.

I predict a 6th place finish for the Mules a there will be definite improvements but not enough to get them to Centennial supremacy. And yes Hank, it is always good for the man at the helm to be out of the tabloids.

Not a bad prediction...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 27, 2018, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: HopkinsNest7 on March 27, 2018, 07:43:43 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if McClarys name came up in the Gettysburg conversation. Capable recruiter in Pennsylvania, knows the conference. Another name I would not be surprised to see is Ryan Germano from McDaniel. Gave up playing division 1 football to make the jump to NJAC basketball. This shows the needed desire and drive to win games in this highly touted conference. Look for Germanos name to be floated around for several jobs in the future.

Names have already come up with that job... neither of those appear to be on the radar.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 28, 2018, 09:45:16 AM
How about Mike McGarvey?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 28, 2018, 10:47:27 AM
Nope.

Though, the list of names I did get included one that I checked on and he hadn't received a call from the school. I have a few people who have been interested who updated me, though I don't have a list of names. That said... no names mentioned here have been reported by another entity or been mentioned to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 29, 2018, 11:54:41 AM
Thanks, Dave.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on April 09, 2018, 09:26:46 AM
It looks like the coaching job at Brandeis might now be open unless they appoint an interim coach...Meehan was fired recently amidst allegations of abuse and racism, unfortunately
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 09, 2018, 12:33:02 PM
I suspect that job will be open. With what is going on there, I think an interim appointment will not help them move forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 10, 2018, 11:17:09 AM
Gettysburg made a hire: https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/983710851688554496

Story: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/04/gettysburg-to-hire-dunne
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 11, 2018, 10:43:37 AM
Interesting hire- not saying bad but not one I'd be excited about if I were a Bullet. It is very fair to point out he only has one winning season (immediately after the previous coach left) followed by four sub .500 seasons. Double digit wins only 2 out of 5 years and only .500 or better twice in league in five years. A bottom three team in the league in a conference that is not full of ranked teams.

I certainly wish him much success and only the best.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 11, 2018, 02:06:19 PM
These things are true, but Vassar wasn't a conference power at any point, either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: victorborga on April 13, 2018, 12:47:18 AM
Totally agree with CCHoopster..  I'd be interested to know who the other finalists were here.  Vassar may not have been a power Pat, but if one is going to merit a step up, and I think we would all agree that the Cent is a notch or two above the Liberty League, then said coach should probably have a slightly better resume then what this choice brings to the table.  He had a great year with the former coaches players, and then fell off when tasked with coaching his own recruits, not a good recipe for what the Cent looks like moving forward.  Not wishing him failure, but if they wanted to go young, they may as well have just gone with Petrie's assistant the last few years, he at least knows the landscape.  Might turn out well for them, only time will tell, but it's definitely a curious selection. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 14, 2018, 08:07:27 AM
A coach from a bottom third team in an ok league at best tasked to turnaround a bottom third team in a current top league..... 6th place coaches in the A10 don't get Big Ten Jobs. See, this is what happens when the outgoing AD is tasked with hiring a new coach while a separate division on campus is hiring a new AD. That along with the hire make no sense. Gettysburg McDaniel and Wash will now be landlocked at the bottom while FnM, DC, JHU, Ursinus, Swat stay the top 5 for the foreseeable future. GC should be the team fighting for a playoff spot. Maybe they will but if you truly believe right now that is going to happen based on the hire, have a bridge for you. I guess if you have NESCAC somewhere on your resume a school like GC, with lack of self- confidence, kind of gets off. What loyalty will the new AD have to the new coach when it wasn't their hire? 

They would have been better off with Mike Blaine or Dan Englestadt.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 16, 2018, 02:32:42 PM
Hiring announcement officially made today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 16, 2018, 03:10:45 PM
Best of luck to the new coach. My thoughts are about the reasoning and approach not the coach. I wish him much successful. Do like the youth in coaching.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on April 17, 2018, 01:30:34 PM
I kind of find it hard to believe that choice at Gettysburg was the best option based off of past performance.  I echo the fact that this particular coach has only 1 winning season out of 5 years as a head coach.  And that one winning season came with players he did not even recruit.  You would think that a coach from a smaller division III conference would have applied that was located geographically closer then New York.  These jobs attract hundreds of applications. I scratch my head with this hire.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 18, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
Location never factored in for me... I don't think that matters at all. The track record is a separate argument. Gettysburg, and Centennials, heavily recruit NJ, NY, New England high schools and prep schools so he'll be ok recruiting. But he's going to be a sitting duck for an AD that didn't hire him when they don't win- not a whole lot of proof in the pudding for any confidence in his winning ability- he hasn't won and will be seeing, IMO, MUCH better coaching and players... not a good recipe. You really don't want to be the one who follows a legend (loved, Long tenured coach), you want to be the guy who follows the guy who follows the legend. (Unless you are the coach at York who has done an incredible job).

Gettysburg is not in a good place in the athletic department. People are at odds and there WILL BE more coaching changes. They are tired of losing aside from WBB, WLAX. Football and basketball MUST win. If you can't get out of 6/7th place in the Liberty League, how can you get out of the basement in the centennial?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swish3 on April 19, 2018, 09:19:53 AM
Coaching is a tough, tough profession...I absolutely get the comments, and I'd probably be saying the same things, but he also needs to be given a chance before being criticized too harshly.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 19, 2018, 11:39:49 AM
And previously mentioned, I'm puzzled by the hire, they resume GC chose and THEIR process without the new AD being on board.... I don't know coach but I wish him nothing but the most success. Again, I do like the youth in the new coach but they better allow room for growth from him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2018, 12:36:06 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on April 19, 2018, 11:39:49 AM
And previously mentioned, I'm puzzled by the hire, they resume GC chose and THEIR process without the new AD being on board.... I don't know coach but I wish him nothing but the most success. Again, I do like the youth in the new coach but they better allow room for growth from him.

Sometimes the search for a new AD takes too long and getting a coach on board needs to happen faster. It isn't that uncommon to have coaches hired while an AD position is still not settled. That said, I am told the current AD who is resigning spearheaded the search.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on April 19, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on April 18, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
They are tired of losing aside from WBB, WLAX.

The seven-time defending conference champion women's golf team and first-place men's lacrosse team (that has won two of the past three conference titles) say, "Hello."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2018, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: sunny on April 19, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on April 18, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
They are tired of losing aside from WBB, WLAX.

The seven-time defending conference champion women's golf team and first-place men's lacrosse team (that has won two of the past three conference titles) say, "Hello."

LOL Well done, sunny. Very, very true.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on April 19, 2018, 02:46:57 PM
I agree with cchoopster about location.  However, i did not mean it that way.  The Centennial Conference is a top Conference.  It is definitely a cut above Liberty.  However, there are many conferences from Gettysburg up New York.  These conferences include:  CSAC, NEAC and the MACF...just to name a few.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 24, 2018, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on April 17, 2018, 01:30:34 PM
I kind of find it hard to believe that choice at Gettysburg was the best option based off of past performance.  I echo the fact that this particular coach has only 1 winning season out of 5 years as a head coach.  And that one winning season came with players he did not even recruit.  You would think that a coach from a smaller division III conference would have applied that was located geographically closer then New York.  These jobs attract hundreds of applications. I scratch my head with this hire.

Not sure you have the best track record with these kinds of things...

It had been awhile since I had seen a post of yours... so I was curious why it stuck out ... then I remembered (was reminded) this nugget:

Quote from: wvcfan1 on July 09, 2009, 11:45:03 PM
Nothing against coach Seretti, but he does not have a winning record from PSU Altoona.  He does have head coaching experience which is a plus.  Coach Csensits was a division I assistant with no head coaching experience, so that is an upgrade.  However, Dickinson is a great athletic institution.  Why cant they win?  They won the Centennial conference championship and had their last NCAA tournament appearance back in 1997.  You mean to tell me this is the best coaching candidate that applied?  I really have to wander about Dickinsons administration.  What their thought process is and do they really care about their basketball program like Fand M, Johns Hopkins, Ursinus and Gettysburg does.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 25, 2018, 02:41:35 PM
Hard to look at Seretti and Dunn through the same lens. Dunn won once with the former coaches players and then never won again. At Altoona (prior to Dickinson) Seretti led the Lions to three consecutive Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference Tournament appearances. Penn State Altoona set the school record for wins with 14 in each of his last two seasons and earned the first postseason bid in the history of the program with an invitation to the Eastern College Athletic Conference tournament in 2009.  In 2007-08, the Lions advanced to the AMCC semifinals for the first time in school history, earning Seretti Co-Coach of the Year honors." To me that shows someone who did a lot with a little. Getting more resources and a better product to sell/represent at Dickinson, there's no surprise he has renewed the Red Devils program. He clearly demonstrated that he had the goods to win games at Altoona- if you can win there you can win with the resources at Dickinson.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: victorborga on April 26, 2018, 01:32:45 AM
To be fair to Dave, he is not really comparing Dunne and Seretti, he's simply pointing out that wvcfan said the same thing about Seretti that he is saying now about Dunne.  And as the kids would say these days, that message hasn't aged well, as we've seen Seretti have a dominant run.  I will say one other thing, though I'm new to posting, I've lurked for long enough to know this - Dave and Pat aren't going to criticize any coaches on here.  They do such a great job with the D3 site, and having interactions with many of the coaches gets you to know them personally.  Therefore they tend to defend the coaches when something negative gets posted, which i totally understand, just pointing it out.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 26, 2018, 11:18:58 AM
I think I do sometimes criticize but I'm far more likely to say nothing in the cases where it might be called for. You're probably right. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 26, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 26, 2018, 11:18:58 AM
I think I do sometimes criticize but I'm far more likely to say nothing in the cases where it might be called for. You're probably right. :)

Yeah... kind of where Pat is. There are times one like myself might criticize, but I'm more likely not to say anything at all. To that point, I work hard to develop relationships with coaches for a lot of reasons - mainly to make sure our coverage is the best possible - if I went around being critical all of the time ... that wouldn't work well.

I will defend if I feel defense is warranted. Otherwise, won't say much.

And yes, my comparison wasn't of Dunne and Seretti, it was of a comment made in the same vain about Seretti that is now being posted by Dunne.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 27, 2018, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: victorborga on April 26, 2018, 01:32:45 AM
To be fair to Dave, he is not really comparing Dunne and Seretti, he's simply pointing out that wvcfan said the same thing about Seretti that he is saying now about Dunne.  And as the kids would say these days, that message hasn't aged well, as we've seen Seretti have a dominant run.  I will say one other thing, though I'm new to posting, I've lurked for long enough to know this - Dave and Pat aren't going to criticize any coaches on here.  They do such a great job with the D3 site, and having interactions with many of the coaches gets you to know them personally.  Therefore they tend to defend the coaches when something negative gets posted, which i totally understand, just pointing it out.

I know, I was adding to the general topic, not challenging Dave.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 27, 2018, 11:16:56 AM
Actually, I was more supporting a post or two of mine (along with adding to the general topic of the two coaches in the same breath) from before on the GC hire. No offense to DM intended or challenging anyone. Sorry if it came across as such!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 27, 2018, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 24, 2018, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on April 17, 2018, 01:30:34 PM
I kind of find it hard to believe that choice at Gettysburg was the best option based off of past performance.  I echo the fact that this particular coach has only 1 winning season out of 5 years as a head coach.  And that one winning season came with players he did not even recruit.  You would think that a coach from a smaller division III conference would have applied that was located geographically closer then New York.  These jobs attract hundreds of applications. I scratch my head with this hire.

Not sure you have the best track record with these kinds of things...

It had been awhile since I had seen a post of yours... so I was curious why it stuck out ... then I remembered (was reminded) this nugget:

Quote from: wvcfan1 on July 09, 2009, 11:45:03 PM
Nothing against coach Seretti, but he does not have a winning record from PSU Altoona.  He does have head coaching experience which is a plus.  Coach Csensits was a division I assistant with no head coaching experience, so that is an upgrade.  However, Dickinson is a great athletic institution.  Why cant they win?  They won the Centennial conference championship and had their last NCAA tournament appearance back in 1997.  You mean to tell me this is the best coaching candidate that applied?  I really have to wander about Dickinsons administration.  What their thought process is and do they really care about their basketball program like Fand M, Johns Hopkins, Ursinus and Gettysburg does.

I can't blame a poster to a Division III message board for getting a 2009 prediction wrong.........................when "experts", who make their living "knowing all" make preseason picks for the Eagles to come in last place in the division (and win the Super Bowl) and putting the Sixers over/under at 39.5 (and now head into the second round of the playoffs, with a potential conference final appearance four wins away). I'll give wvcfan1 a little break. ;)

Besides, a not-too-be-named-here D-III women's coach went from almost being axed for years worth of very bad behavior......................to recently getting a head coaching job at the D-1 level...............so I'm going to refrain from coaching commentary as (1) I/we know nothing (outside of Pat and Dave) and (2) What I/we think really means nothing at the end of the day. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: kate on May 09, 2018, 05:44:32 PM
But, JM, that "not to be named head D3 coach" took over a usually so, so Women's team, and turned them into big time winners, probably to the consternation of many.   I was proud though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: victorborga on May 10, 2018, 08:04:37 AM
Interesting to note, that Dan Engelstad, who was bypassed by at least two Cent schools, and likely 3 or 4, in the last 2 offseasons, was just hired at D1 Mount St Mary's.  Tell me politics aren't at play in most of these small school decisions and i'll tell you to guess again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on May 10, 2018, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: victorborga on May 10, 2018, 08:04:37 AM
Interesting to note, that Dan Engelstad, who was bypassed by at least two Cent schools, and likely 3 or 4, in the last 2 offseasons, was just hired at D1 Mount St Mary's.  Tell me politics aren't at play in most of these small school decisions and i'll tell you to guess again.

Or he just wasn't the right fit. Different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 10, 2018, 01:31:27 PM
Yeah... maybe politics rear's it's end from time to time... but usually it comes down to the right fit. There are other factors like pay, too. I know a few jobs where you would think an upgrade is coming and it turns out pay is a problem.

IN this case with Englestad, also remember he is a former assistant coach at Mount St. Mary's and was very much liked and appreciated during his time there. Sometimes previous experiences and connections make a difference as well.

He wasn't the right fit at previous tries (including Centennial jobs), but no surprise he got the MSM job. I suspect he may have been at play for Gettysburg, but pulled himself out of the hunt when the Mount opened. (Didn't consider that, did you.)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: victorborga on May 11, 2018, 01:35:43 AM
2 things here, as I definitely respect your points.  First, you may have more inside info on this, but look at the timeline on the Gettysburg hire, Dunne named on April 10, Christian named at Siena on May 2.  I wouldn't doubt for a second that Engelstad would pull out of Gettysburg if he knew the Mount would open, but thats a pretty long gap of time as far as the coaching carousel goes.  He would've had to pull out of the Burg roughly April 6/7 ish, that's close to a month before the Mount was even open.  I'm not calling bs on your claim, just seems hard to fathom. 

Second, and this goes for either you or sunny..  In total seriousness, explain to me what you guys mean when you say he may not have been the right fit.  The Mount is geographically close to virtually the entire Cent, so that can't be it.  This isn't Billy Gillespie being tasked with facing the pressure of Big Blue Nation in Kentucky, or Eric Mangini unprepared to deal with the New York media as coach of the Jets.  We're hiring a D3 coach here, not the US men's national team successor to Coach K.   I was an assistant at this level, I respect what D3 coaches do, but let's not oversell what we/they do.  Are you saying he isn't the right hire for a high academic institution?  The 'right fit' just seems like a go-to comeback when somebody knows/thinks a mistake might have been made.  I don't know Engelstad personally, but i respect his resume and i know for a fact he interviews well.  MSM must agree, I know he was liked there, but they're not going to just give him the job straight from D3 unless he blows them away in an interview..

Ok, sorry for rambling, good debate is healthy  lol
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 11, 2018, 06:45:47 AM

Recruiting-wise, there's not a ton of difference between d3 and low d1 - the big question is how you handle the different atmosphere and expectations of student-athletes and the program, which you can definitely know from experience as an assistant - if it's the right experience.

For me, the big questions with Dan at the Cent schools was always the academics.  That changes recruiting far more than talent level and while he was at Holy Cross for a little while, I'm not sure that part of the equation made sense.  You've also got the question of a young, well-thought-of coach who might not be around for too long - my impression has been the Cent schools would rather hire somebody who can establish a long track record.

A lot of things go into these decisions beyond just what you can produce on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 11, 2018, 02:11:33 PM
Quote from: victorborga on May 11, 2018, 01:35:43 AM
2 things here, as I definitely respect your points.  First, you may have more inside info on this, but look at the timeline on the Gettysburg hire, Dunne named on April 10, Christian named at Siena on May 2.  I wouldn't doubt for a second that Engelstad would pull out of Gettysburg if he knew the Mount would open, but thats a pretty long gap of time as far as the coaching carousel goes.  He would've had to pull out of the Burg roughly April 6/7 ish, that's close to a month before the Mount was even open.  I'm not calling bs on your claim, just seems hard to fathom.

The timeline was pointed out to me by someone else... I can't keep track of the all the timelines to be sure and thought these crossed over. The Sienna job was a ton of "crazy" along with others at D1... and maybe it wasn't as obvious. That said, there is certainly a chance Englestad was reading the tea leaves. I can't get into some info I know off the record, but I feel I can say this safely: the report that Englestad was involved in the Gettysburg job as much as he was ... doesn't add up with the information I have. I don't know right now if he even applied nor do I know if they were interested. I just can say, he wasn't involved as much as previous reported.

Quote from: victorborga on May 11, 2018, 01:35:43 AM
Second, and this goes for either you or sunny..  In total seriousness, explain to me what you guys mean when you say he may not have been the right fit.  The Mount is geographically close to virtually the entire Cent, so that can't be it.  This isn't Billy Gillespie being tasked with facing the pressure of Big Blue Nation in Kentucky, or Eric Mangini unprepared to deal with the New York media as coach of the Jets.  We're hiring a D3 coach here, not the US men's national team successor to Coach K.   I was an assistant at this level, I respect what D3 coaches do, but let's not oversell what we/they do.  Are you saying he isn't the right hire for a high academic institution?  The 'right fit' just seems like a go-to comeback when somebody knows/thinks a mistake might have been made.  I don't know Engelstad personally, but i respect his resume and i know for a fact he interviews well.  MSM must agree, I know he was liked there, but they're not going to just give him the job straight from D3 unless he blows them away in an interview..

Ok, sorry for rambling, good debate is healthy  lol

There are a lot of factors that I know can play a role having seen it somewhat close up. First off, the institution may have it's own goals or aspirations (high or low). I know of a search going on right now where I've been told they are only looking for assistant coaches and have told head coaches they have no chance. There is always the possibility that even if a coach like Dan is in the finals list, he doesn't have a chance because something else is going on behind the scenes and that even the most qualified person isn't going to be the choice.

There is pay. I can't speak for sure what Dan was being paid, or nearly any coach (except those I can look up at public institutions). I also can't always say what a coach has for "other responsibilities." What I can speak to is that the list of coaches I know who have turned down jobs, unknown to the public, because it was either a paycut, added responsibilities, cost of living increase (not really covered by the pay), recruiting budget, assistants situation (paid/unpaid, fulltime/part-time) etc., etc., etc.

You also have other factors involved like the type of institution, academics, expectations, admissions, etc. Sometimes the right fit has to be for all parties... and sometimes there are ulterior motives going on behind the scenes (I can speak to experience on that last one for sure; not on the record).

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 11, 2018, 06:45:47 AM

Recruiting-wise, there's not a ton of difference between d3 and low d1 - the big question is how you handle the different atmosphere and expectations of student-athletes and the program, which you can definitely know from experience as an assistant - if it's the right experience.

For me, the big questions with Dan at the Cent schools was always the academics.  That changes recruiting far more than talent level and while he was at Holy Cross for a little while, I'm not sure that part of the equation made sense.  You've also got the question of a young, well-thought-of coach who might not be around for too long - my impression has been the Cent schools would rather hire somebody who can establish a long track record.

I think the question about Dan and recruiting has always been overblown and misunderstood. I also think the idea that Dan may not be around long is a misnomer and a large assumption. One doesn't know where a coach could head. To be blunt, are we sure that Hopkins at Muhlenberg or Loeffler at Hopkins are going to be around for a long time? I think the Centennial schools are in a very different place now. They can't assume they are hiring someone who will retire at their school anymore. Those days are gone and the current turnover is going to prove that. I don't think Dunne stays at Gettysburg nor Kosmalski at Swarthmore or Goodman at Washington, either. Seretti will probably leave Dickinson in the near future as well.

If Dan was not getting gigs at Centennial schools because they were worried about him leaving in four years ... then they are going to make poor hiring choices overall. Those who end up staying in jobs for the "long-term" end up staying by chance more than design. Hiring by design, will never work.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 11, 2018, 06:45:47 AM
A lot of things go into these decisions beyond just what you can produce on the court.

Very true.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: victorborga on May 12, 2018, 11:57:13 AM
Awesome feedback, thanks.  I just like to get the perspective of others on things like this.  I agree with almost all of what you two said,  though I agree with Dave that the recent hires at Muhlenberg, Hopkins, and probably even Haverford are not likely 'long haul' guys if they have their choice in the matter.  2 of them come from D1 schools, and the third from one of the few D3 conferences/leagues that we would consider better than the Cent, and I think all of them will be looking to trade up in a handful of years if they succeed and can find a good opportunity somewhere.. Kosmalski obviously fits in this category as well, he's just not a recent hire.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 14, 2018, 02:50:23 PM
Quote from: victorborga on May 12, 2018, 11:57:13 AM
Awesome feedback, thanks.  I just like to get the perspective of others on things like this.  I agree with almost all of what you two said,  though I agree with Dave that the recent hires at Muhlenberg, Hopkins, and probably even Haverford are not likely 'long haul' guys if they have their choice in the matter.  2 of them come from D1 schools, and the third from one of the few D3 conferences/leagues that we would consider better than the Cent, and I think all of them will be looking to trade up in a handful of years if they succeed and can find a good opportunity somewhere.. Kosmalski obviously fits in this category as well, he's just not a recent hire.

I consider recent as anything in the last few years ... I also know Kosmalski has been looking elsewhere nearly every off season. Sometimes that searching is a matter of practice and keeping a name fresh... sometimes it indicates something else (or a combination of the two).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on May 17, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
Interesting conversation regarding coaches aspirations.  Some coaches just prefer D-III and are happy coaching where they are.  Obvious examples are the current longest tenured coaches in the CC in Glenn Robinson and Kevin Small---and until recently George Petrie.  Probably, all three have had opportunities to move on and have chosen not to---many times for family reasons but also because they are happy where they are.  I doubt that any of them have applied for other positions in recent years if ever.
Perhaps some of the recent hires feel the same way----and again, maybe not.  Guess we will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 17, 2018, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on May 17, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
Interesting conversation regarding coaches aspirations.  Some coaches just prefer D-III and are happy coaching where they are.  Obvious examples are the current longest tenured coaches in the CC in Glenn Robinson and Kevin Small---and until recently George Petrie.  Probably, all three have had opportunities to move on and have chosen not to---many times for family reasons but also because they are happy where they are.  I doubt that any of them have applied for other positions in recent years if ever.
Perhaps some of the recent hires feel the same way----and again, maybe not.  Guess we will just have to wait and see.

It is amazing the conversations I have with coaches around this topic. I can figure out those who absolutely are happy in the division and don't have higher aspirations. I know the ones who say that, but are not being serious or honest with me. And I appreciate those who duck the question because they don't want to be disrespectful with their answer - which I do understand.

The funny thing: I had a conversation with a coach once who loves DIII. They have been terrific for DIII. I'm a big fan. We talked several times about why they wouldn't want to leave for a higher division. The pros, the cons, the likes, the dislikes of each higher division and whatnot. I was pretty convinced no matter what rumor I may hear in the future ... they wouldn't be leaving the division. They left for a higher division. When we chatted (we stay in touch)... the one caveat mentioned, but dismissed even by the coach, was financial. They couldn't turn down the financial impact it would have with their family. They happened to be head hunted for the position they took. I can't blame them, but it still stunk to lose a diehard DIII-er to a higher division.

There are lots of motives in coaching and I am convinced that there are very few coaches who take a position that either know it is the position they will call their's for the rest of their career or know they will use it as a stepping stone to another job. They may have ideas, but they never know what will happen in the future or how things play out. I know coaches who thought they would be past jobs they are currently in years ago - they can't get another one as of yet. I know coaches who swore they wouldn't be on to another place and yet find themselves two or three jobs down the road. It is a crazy business.

I think there are more coaches to turnover in the Centennial in the next year or so... and I think about half are long term guys and others are stopping point guys. It all depends on the circumstances where they are and what is on their road ahead of them.

And I could be wrong about all of that. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on May 17, 2018, 07:55:55 PM
Well put Dave. There are other circumstances that you definitely know of that are also impactful in decisions to stay and leave: enrollment quotas, budget cuts and financial aid packages- just a few. The younger the coach, I believe, the less roots get planted. I imagine it hard to uproot a family, find new schools (for kids), daycares, a job for a spouse, selling and buying a home..... making sure benefits are not a step backwards including tuition exchange which is dependent upon years of service.... all things many young coaches don't have to think about- I imagine the younger the coach, the less roots planted, the more likely the passion to advance is present. A coach in their mid 30's with a family has to think of the aforementioned and a coach with children nearing college thinks of those things and the potential of losing free tuition. There are many factors as we are all aware of. Why did Marcus Kahn leave Cabrini- money? Or because that is where his wife is from (Mary Wash area). Why was Dickinson attractive for Serretti- way better job than Altoona? Yes but his wife is from local to Carlisle, about 30-40 miles. Family brings D3 coaches to jobs and keeps  them there. It's a family friendly environment. Young coaches don't have nor need to look for those attachments- nothing wrong with that. I personally don't see guys like Serretti, Loeffler, maybe Curly leaving. They have young families and have or are planting roots. But you never know. Enjoyable discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 18, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say of the three you mentioned, CCHoopster, at least two will be gone in the next five years (or less). Not going to start naming who and why here - happy to discuss things in private with those I trust won't be spreading rumors - but, those three are an interesting group to choose. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on May 19, 2018, 09:15:06 AM
interesting. Can't imagine it being easy to recruit in the Centennial.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on June 26, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Congratulations to Mike McGarvey for his selection as the next Lycoming head basketball coach.  A superb selection by Lycoming and well deserved.  Mike is a class act and an excellent basketball coach.  I think he was a finalist for a couple of other jobs in the past two years and finally gets his chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on June 28, 2018, 07:15:29 PM
i also want to wish mike mcgarvey the very best....great person and player. lycoming is lucky to have him.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 06, 2018, 12:56:21 PM
Re: CC Silver Anniversary Team

I don't dispute any of the selections. I did not see any of the 1990s players but assume they were very good.

Biggest omission was Nick Shattuck from Ursinus.  In my view he was the best of the best.  As I recall, Nick dropped a class during his last semester in college--about the time he broke his foot--and did not graduate with his class being short the necessary credits.  Apparently, he never took the requisite steps to get the degree.  What a shame.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 08, 2018, 11:26:37 AM
I wonder how frequently that happens. I know of other athletes who were superb but didn't receive these types of career-level awards because they didn't actually graduate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 09, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
Gordon, good question.  Regarding Ursinus, I don't remember any men's basketball player, other than Nick,  who attended Ursinus and played for four years who did not graduate on time. Nick's situation was an anomaly given the timing etc.  Nevertheless, he should have made up the three or four credits by now and received his degree.  Probably why his jersey is not hanging from the rafters at Helfferich alongside Stanton and McGarvey's.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 09, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
I can't see why a student athlete can't be named to an anniversary team. That SA did play and excel. The CSAC just named the CSAC 25th team and Aaron Walton-Moss was named to that team and he's probably more than a semester away from graduating. I do know though he will not be named to the schools Hall of Fame because of not graduating. The only way, I believe, he'll get in is if they honor the 2012 team that made it to the National championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on August 10, 2018, 03:17:37 PM
Ursinus Bears men's basketball team is having a great time in Portugal and Spain right now.  They have played two games so far and won both but more importantly they are having fun----together. They take an overseas trip every three years. Great experience for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 13, 2018, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 09, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
I can't see why a student athlete can't be named to an anniversary team. That SA did play and excel. The CSAC just named the CSAC 25th team and Aaron Walton-Moss was named to that team and he's probably more than a semester away from graduating. I do know though he will not be named to the schools Hall of Fame because of not graduating. The only way, I believe, he'll get in is if they honor the 2012 team that made it to the National championship game.

Maybe.

Coach K is known to not allow banners to be raised for any team(s) that hasn't had everyone fully graduated.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 14, 2018, 05:03:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 13, 2018, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 09, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
I can't see why a student athlete can't be named to an anniversary team. That SA did play and excel. The CSAC just named the CSAC 25th team and Aaron Walton-Moss was named to that team and he's probably more than a semester away from graduating. I do know though he will not be named to the schools Hall of Fame because of not graduating. The only way, I believe, he'll get in is if they honor the 2012 team that made it to the National championship game.

Maybe.

Coach K is known to not allow banners to be raised for any team(s) that hasn't had everyone fully graduated.

Are you saying that the former head coach would have a possible say in blocking an attempt by his former employer to recognize that 2012 team in its own Hall of Fame?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 16, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am not sure... all I'm saying is that Duke doesn't raise banners about the basketball program unless everyone from that class (group?) has graduated. I cannot find the damn stories I have seen on it, but it's a pretty well known story.

Maybe he/others have the same protocol for their Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 16, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
I am surprised I am the one posting this considering I haven't had time to be on the boards until now: http://www.centennial.org/general/2018-19/News/Ulrich-Retirement
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on September 19, 2018, 05:30:13 PM
Folks -

F & M has finally posted the Diplomats' men's basketball schedule for 2018-2019. There are still several teams and times that have not yet been confirmed or finalized. See the link below:

https://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2018-19/schedule (https://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2018-19/schedule)

Bring on the season. The fun begins in about two months!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 11, 2018, 02:14:12 PM
Early and uninformed guess at the CC preseason predictions:

1-JHU
2-Swarthmore
3-FnM
4-Dickinson
5-Ursinus
6-Gettysburg
7-Haverford
8-McDaniel
9-WAC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2018, 03:03:07 PM
Preseason men's Top 25 is out!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/10/preseason-mens-top-25
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 11, 2018, 03:14:34 PM
CC,

I would add Muhlenberg to the mix at #6 and go with the following:

1. Swat
2. JHU
3. Ursinus
4. F&M
5. Dickinson
6. Muhl
7. Haverford
8. Gettysburg
9. McDaniel
10. WC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 13, 2018, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 11, 2018, 03:14:34 PM
CC,

I would add Muhlenberg to the mix at #6 and go with the following:

1. Swat
2. JHU
3. Ursinus
4. F&M
5. Dickinson
6. Muhl
7. Haverford
8. Gettysburg
9. McDaniel
10. WC

I had them at 6 too.... got excited and forgot them.

JHU
FnM
Swat
Dickinson
Ursinus
Mules
GBurg
Haverford
McDaniel
WAC
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 14, 2018, 09:38:47 AM

I'll go out on a limb, then.  I don't know how good they'll be, but I don't think Washington College is finishing last this year.  That's an exciting, still pretty young team, that's learning a lot.  I think they surprise some people, especially at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on October 14, 2018, 03:32:14 PM
What a great time of the year, practice is about to start and everyone loves their squads!
A lot of important roles to fill for some of the CC teams this season so who knows what might happen but here is my prediction:
Swat
JHU
F&M
Ursinus
Dickinson
Mules
Wash
Haverford
Gburg
McD

Top three seem like a lock in some order (injuries notwithstanding). Ursinus has a lot of talent but they never seem to get over the hump, but I am sure at some point this year they will win five in a row and everyone will say "Here come the Bears!". The last players from Dickinson's strong teams are gone and I don't see a lot replacing them, too bad because I think Serretti is a great coach. At the bottom I think McDaniel just never found those replacements for Brooks and Stewart and Royster (an underrated part of their defense when it was great). Gburg has a new coach and the talent just isnt there to make a quick bounce back.

But what do I know? This probably means Haverford will win the whole thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 30, 2018, 05:31:58 PM
1. Swat
2. JHU
3. F&M
4. Ursinus
5. Dickinson
6. Haverford
7. Mules
8. Gettysburg
9. McDaniel
10. Wash
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 31, 2018, 03:32:13 PM
Swat Fan #1
Can't argue with your picks.  What we don't know is the impact of the new recruits. How well have the new coaches recruited?  F&M lost their two best players in Federici and Tate---have they replaced them?  Swat seems to be set without any impact freshmen.  JHU lost Doran but, I hear that they have recruited very well and they have two terrific guards returning.  Ursinus lost two starters in Quattro & Rafferty and brought in four recruits. 

Speaking of Ursinus, three (maybe four) of their seven non conference games are against teams from your neck of the woods.  They play St Lawrence at  the Scranton Invitational.  We played them in 2008-2009 at Williams and eked out a win against a very feisty, well coached team.  Also, the Bears play both Hamilton and Ithaca at Daytona Beach in December.  Hamilton is projected as a NESCAC powerhouse but I don't know much about Ithaca.  Perhaps you could shed some light on these opponents.  Bears other non conference opponents are Roanoke and Messiah or Clark's Summit at the Messiah tip off and Scranton or Hartwick at the Scranton Invitational. Bears play Rosemont at home in January.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2018, 03:49:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 31, 2018, 03:32:13 PM
Swat Fan #1
Can't argue with your picks.  What we don't know is the impact of the new recruits. How well have the new coaches recruited?  F&M lost their two best players in Federici and Tate---have they replaced them?  Swat seems to be set without any impact freshmen.  JHU lost Doran but, I hear that they have recruited very well and they have two terrific guards returning.  Ursinus lost two starters in Quattro & Rafferty and brought in four recruits. 

Speaking of Ursinus, three (maybe four) of their seven non conference games are against teams from your neck of the woods.  They play St Lawrence at  the Scranton Invitational.  We played them in 2008-2009 at Williams and eked out a win against a very feisty, well coached team.  Also, the Bears play both Hamilton and Ithaca at Daytona Beach in December.  Hamilton is projected as a NESCAC powerhouse but I don't know much about Ithaca.  Perhaps you could shed some light on these opponents.  Bears other non conference opponents are Roanoke and Messiah or Clark's Summit at the Messiah tip off and Scranton or Hartwick at the Scranton Invitational. Bears play Rosemont at home in January.

One thing I noticed last year, and I think commented on in one of the public avenues, was that the F&M team seemed to be able to play well with out Federici. That's not a knock on Federici, but there were times when he was on the bench or even on the floor in isolation that the rest of the team seemed to play pretty well. I think that bolds well for them this season. How well? Who knows.

St. Lawrence isn't the same squad from '08-'09. Back then, they were pretty good. Now they are consistent, but not really as strong. They were 22-7 that season you mention. They are coming off a five-win season last year. Chris Downs is a solid coach, but something has been off the last six seasons. Only one of note (two years ago 20-7), otherwise they have hovered around .500. Hamilton is a beast coming off an NCAA tournament run last season. They are darn good, but also with something to prove this season. They are no longer behind the curtain. Ithaca... can't wrap my head around them too much. They just haven't had the same mojo for awhile now. Just haven't been that strong or a threat.

Roanoke is another team to watch out for. They ended up winning 11-straight to finish the season, until the ODAC championship game. They have a preseason All-America selection and probably one of them more respected "young" coaches in the game. They will be a very difficult opponent. Messiah ... could be good, but they have been streaky for years.

Scranton appears to be off from where they have been, but that doesn't mean Coach Danzig doesn't have a surprise up his sleeve. It isn't that hard to win the Landmark of late (just hasn't been as competitive from top to bottom in it's history). Hartwick could be competitive. Rosemont will be one to watch because they could be improving more than people realize.

Man, that is a lot of New York teams. That could help or hurt their SOS and other numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2018, 05:06:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2018, 03:49:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 31, 2018, 03:32:13 PM
Swat Fan #1
Can't argue with your picks.  What we don't know is the impact of the new recruits. How well have the new coaches recruited?  F&M lost their two best players in Federici and Tate---have they replaced them?  Swat seems to be set without any impact freshmen.  JHU lost Doran but, I hear that they have recruited very well and they have two terrific guards returning.  Ursinus lost two starters in Quattro & Rafferty and brought in four recruits. 

Speaking of Ursinus, three (maybe four) of their seven non conference games are against teams from your neck of the woods.  They play St Lawrence at  the Scranton Invitational.  We played them in 2008-2009 at Williams and eked out a win against a very feisty, well coached team.  Also, the Bears play both Hamilton and Ithaca at Daytona Beach in December.  Hamilton is projected as a NESCAC powerhouse but I don't know much about Ithaca.  Perhaps you could shed some light on these opponents.  Bears other non conference opponents are Roanoke and Messiah or Clark's Summit at the Messiah tip off and Scranton or Hartwick at the Scranton Invitational. Bears play Rosemont at home in January.

One thing I noticed last year, and I think commented on in one of the public avenues, was that the F&M team seemed to be able to play well with out Federici. That's not a knock on Federici, but there were times when he was on the bench or even on the floor in isolation that the rest of the team seemed to play pretty well. I think that bolds well for them this season. How well? Who knows.

St. Lawrence isn't the same squad from '08-'09. Back then, they were pretty good. Now they are consistent, but not really as strong. They were 22-7 that season you mention. They are coming off a five-win season last year. Chris Downs is a solid coach, but something has been off the last six seasons. Only one of note (two years ago 20-7), otherwise they have hovered around .500. Hamilton is a beast coming off an NCAA tournament run last season. They are darn good, but also with something to prove this season. They are no longer behind the curtain. Ithaca... can't wrap my head around them too much. They just haven't had the same mojo for awhile now. Just haven't been that strong or a threat.

Roanoke is another team to watch out for. They ended up winning 11-straight to finish the season, until the ODAC championship game. They have a preseason All-America selection and probably one of them more respected "young" coaches in the game. They will be a very difficult opponent. Messiah ... could be good, but they have been streaky for years.

Scranton appears to be off from where they have been, but that doesn't mean Coach Danzig doesn't have a surprise up his sleeve. It isn't that hard to win the Landmark of late (just hasn't been as competitive from top to bottom in it's history). Hartwick could be competitive. Rosemont will be one to watch because they could be improving more than people realize.

Man, that is a lot of New York teams. That could help or hurt their SOS and other numbers.

I would differ in that there was only 3 games difference between 1st and 6th place last season; it may be even tighter this year. The Landmark just hasn't been competitive with the better teams outside the Landmark.
  If u do face Scranton in their tourney, u won't have to play against Mitch Cross who hit 7-8 3s and all his FTs for 27 against Ursinus last season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 31, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 31, 2018, 03:32:13 PM
Swat Fan #1
Can't argue with your picks.  What we don't know is the impact of the new recruits. How well have the new coaches recruited?  F&M lost their two best players in Federici and Tate---have they replaced them?  Swat seems to be set without any impact freshmen.  JHU lost Doran but, I hear that they have recruited very well and they have two terrific guards returning.  Ursinus lost two starters in Quattro & Rafferty and brought in four recruits. 

Speaking of Ursinus, three (maybe four) of their seven non conference games are against teams from your neck of the woods.  They play St Lawrence at  the Scranton Invitational.  We played them in 2008-2009 at Williams and eked out a win against a very feisty, well coached team.  Also, the Bears play both Hamilton and Ithaca at Daytona Beach in December.  Hamilton is projected as a NESCAC powerhouse but I don't know much about Ithaca.  Perhaps you could shed some light on these opponents.  Bears other non conference opponents are Roanoke and Messiah or Clark's Summit at the Messiah tip off and Scranton or Hartwick at the Scranton Invitational. Bears play Rosemont at home in January.

I hear that Swat has a good crop of recruits and one of them, George Visconti is a 2,000+ scorer in high school. Cam Wiley will have to carry a huge load this year. He is fantastic but will be the focus of defenses. I am optimistic but realize that as Cam goes, Swat will go.

Ithaca has been up and down unfortunately, but Hamilton is a beast. Ithaca is now in that league and there is some great ball played.

It should be a great year for the Centennial and I see JH as a super team that is really well coached and will give Swat all they can handle. F&M is always tough and they aren't going anywhere. I hope we can get another team to the Great 8 again! Cheers all.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2018, 11:20:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 31, 2018, 05:06:09 PM
I would differ in that there was only 3 games difference between 1st and 6th place last season; it may be even tighter this year. The Landmark just hasn't been competitive with the better teams outside the Landmark.
  If u do face Scranton in their tourney, u won't have to play against Mitch Cross who hit 7-8 3s and all his FTs for 27 against Ursinus last season.

Last year was the first time we saw any serious competitiveness from top to bottom and that was primarily because the top of the conference took a significant step backwards towards the rest of the conference. The middle and bottom didn't significantly get better. It might be tighter this year (I'm not betting on that), but that isn't because the conference has gotten better or more competitive.

Yes, the Landmark has also not been that competitive outside the conference... and that plays into my point. It just hasn't been as strong or good a conference as many expected/hoped. It has produced a few good teams at the top on occasion, but not consistently outside of who the teams are at the top (which changed last season for the first time in ... ever?).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2018, 07:45:30 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on October 31, 2018, 03:32:13 PM
Swat Fan #1
Can't argue with your picks.  What we don't know is the impact of the new recruits. How well have the new coaches recruited?  F&M lost their two best players in Federici and Tate---have they replaced them?  Swat seems to be set without any impact freshmen.  JHU lost Doran but, I hear that they have recruited very well and they have two terrific guards returning.  Ursinus lost two starters in Quattro & Rafferty and brought in four recruits. 

Obviously, freshmen will change things a little bit, but I was incredibly impressed with the F&M bench last year in the conference tourney.  They really played well and were all tall and athletic.  They've still got McGrath there for leadership (who was maybe the best player on the team last year) - I think they'll be pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: guest323 on November 01, 2018, 11:29:03 PM
Hopkins loses to GMU by 10 in their exhibition game
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2018, 10:59:22 PM
I was hearing a lot of stuff out of Ursinus the last few weeks, but I could not get to the bottom of it (and no one on campus was going to talk even off the record) ... this sounds bad: https://www.ursinusgrizzly.com/student-athletes-distressed-by-possible-ncaa-violations/

I realize it appears they self-reported, but the hint of how many students are affected and the fact they informed the entire student body ... makes with think this is going to a massive problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 03, 2018, 01:54:46 PM

Folks - The Diplomats have finally posted their roster. It includes four new faces - all freshmen. The link to it follows below:

https://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2018-19/roster (https://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2018-19/roster)

Let the new season begin!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 03, 2018, 09:26:50 PM
Dave, that is huge. Can you keep us updated on that?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on November 03, 2018, 09:26:50 PM
Dave, that is huge. Can you keep us updated on that?

We/I are doing our best. It clearly is into an NCAA investigative stage ... that makes it hard, sometimes, to get information...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 11, 2018, 01:55:37 PM
I just saw that F&M's Glenn Robinson is taking a leave of absence because of health reasons.

https://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2018-19/releases/20181109erod1t
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2018, 04:02:40 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 11, 2018, 10:52:39 PM
So sorry to hear about Coach Robinson. A total class act and always greets my son with a huge hug. Get better soon coach!

I was correct about the Freshman on Swat. I hear very good things about him. Look for Swat to be very tough this year again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 11, 2018, 11:59:23 PM
I heard Swat looked very good(again) in the scrimmage at Cabrini last week. They are going to be tough. Good luck to them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2018, 12:58:12 PM
Hear is what Glenn Robinson emailed me today:

Quote"I wasn't doing well so I fired myself.  Couldn't run, yell or think quickly enough to help the refs, so I thought it best to get a little better."

Seems Coach Robinson is doing just fine. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 12, 2018, 03:37:19 PM
That's funny. Lol.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 13, 2018, 08:23:39 PM
I emailed Coach Robinson and he wrote me a nice note. Said he would be back in two or three weeks.

*Corrected below
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on November 13, 2018, 11:43:55 PM
Not sure what "the freshmen" you are talking about. No freshman took 17 shots in the Swat game but the upperclassmen showed up in the first game to get that classic Swat-style win- FG% D, Rebounding Margin, Wear them down for a late surge.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 14, 2018, 06:41:24 AM
Quote from: noonhooper on November 13, 2018, 11:43:55 PM
Not sure what "the freshmen" you are talking about. No freshman took 17 shots in the Swat game but the upperclassmen showed up in the first game to get that classic Swat-style win- FG% D, Rebounding Margin, Wear them down for a late surge.

Sorry, they had the stats wrong last night and corrected them. You are correct. Swat is again big and strong and wore down a pretty good team who pushed the ball very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2018, 07:21:31 AM
Quote from: noonhooper on November 13, 2018, 11:43:55 PM
Not sure what "the freshmen" you are talking about. No freshman took 17 shots in the Swat game but the upperclassmen showed up in the first game to get that classic Swat-style win- FG% D, Rebounding Margin, Wear them down for a late surge.

Visconti is a highly-touted freshman - he had a great stat line, including on the boards, where Swat is pretty thin.  A lot of stuff to work on out of that game last night, but they did put the hammer down at the end when they needed to do so.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on November 14, 2018, 08:48:34 AM
Does anyone know why Matt Gnias hasn't been getting into games for Muhlenberg?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 14, 2018, 01:56:26 PM
Everyone see this today? Holy Cow!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=CWcrJ18yjok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=CWcrJ18yjok)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 14, 2018, 03:35:06 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on November 14, 2018, 01:56:26 PM
Everyone see this today? Holy Cow!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=CWcrJ18yjok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=CWcrJ18yjok)

Holy cow!!!!! Right. That is horrible. OMG :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 14, 2018, 11:04:09 PM
Plenty of more info: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/11/fitchburg-state-kewan-platt-decks-opponent-ejected-suspended
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on November 18, 2018, 07:52:27 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on November 14, 2018, 08:48:34 AM
Does anyone know why Matt Gnias hasn't been getting into games for Muhlenberg?

Hoping the repost might awake someone in the know.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on November 20, 2018, 12:41:16 PM
It's always crazy to me how fast the conference games get started. How a team is doing on the court before Thanksgiving has so little to do with how they will look in February. On the other hand, teams that are rolling to start the season get a chance to make some noise early and that can keep them in the running even if they hit a slump in January. Anyway, it will be fun to get an early look at how teams matchup this year!

My Picks:
F&M over Gburg- F&M too loaded and Gburg still learning what the new coaching staff wants. I am interested to see more of Avery Close, he has been playing well and I don't remember him being this impactful this year.

SWAT over Wash- Swat playing well to start the season. Always good to get wins while young guys are learning their new roles after last year's great class left a pile of big shoes. I think this game will be closer than expected just because Washington plays hard, is never afraid of an opponent, and has a style that can cause trouble.

JHU over McDaniel- All honesty, this is a name pick. I have seen Hopkins play but have not seen/know nothing about McDaniel. But since last year was a real... terror, for McDaniel and they are playing a Hopkins team coming after a loss I bet this will be a tough one for the McD's

Mules over Devils- I hope that I am wrong with this one because I think Coach Seretti is one of the better coaches in the league but man, the admissions requirements must have gone way up for Dickinson because the new guys don't hold a candle to the roster that used to be there and you can't tell me the same coaching staff lost the ability to recognize talent. Mules love the three-ball and that can bite you every once in awhile but not tonight!

Ursinus over Haverford- Bears love beating up on the bottom half of the conference. Haverford is on the right track to mediocrity (a compliment at this point) but Ursinus always starts hot because they have more athletic guys than most of the conference (didn't I hear about a admissions/athletic issue?) so they can just win games on ability.

Anyway, I look forward to being wrong on all these and then never posting my picks again. Enjoy the night!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 20, 2018, 01:16:47 PM

From what I've heard, Dickinson isn't putting in the same kinds of financial aid as those schools the basketball team is recruiting against.  I don't think it's cheaping out, but that the recruiting competition for the larger student body may not be the same recruiting competition as the basketball team.  That's vague and I apologize, but I haven't really cared to dig too deep into what that means.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on November 20, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
There could be a whole thread devoted to the admissions/financial aid impact on d3 hoops (who would want to read it though?). It is so impactful for teams and most fans, I would bet, don't take that into account for some of these programs beyond insinuating that "the other teams" have it easier than theirs. I am impressed with Dickinson's ability to roll with the punches and stay competitive thus far. But eventually that is going to have an impact.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 20, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on November 20, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
There could be a whole thread devoted to the admissions/financial aid impact on d3 hoops (who would want to read it though?). It is so impactful for teams and most fans, I would bet, don't take that into account for some of these programs beyond insinuating that "the other teams" have it easier than theirs. I am impressed with Dickinson's ability to roll with the punches and stay competitive thus far. But eventually that is going to have an impact.

A thread like this was started ... in soccer, I think. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 23, 2018, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: noonhooper on November 20, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
There could be a whole thread devoted to the admissions/financial aid impact on d3 hoops (who would want to read it though?). It is so impactful for teams and most fans, I would bet, don't take that into account for some of these programs beyond insinuating that "the other teams" have it easier than theirs. I am impressed with Dickinson's ability to roll with the punches and stay competitive thus far. But eventually that is going to have an impact.

It's even more insane in football (trust me, I've not only heard, but have seen, the gory details :) ) I talk to coaches who discuss how some schools "package" much better. As word gets around to administration and non-athlete students though, you're seeing changes at certain schools. I hope that the day comes when the playing field is leveled.......................vs. some schools having Yankees/Red Sox/Dodgers resources, lining up against the Pirates, A's and Royals. It's a shame what it has come to! :(
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
 There are 8 D3 schools(Amherst, Bowdoin, Colby, MIT, Pomona, Swarthmore, Chicago, Wash&Lee) that meet full financial need while packaging aid awards with no loans for each admitted student. With Bloomberg's recent gift to Johns Hopkins, they'll join this group for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 24, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 23, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
There are 8 D3 schools(Amherst, Bowdoin, Colby, MIT, Pomona, Swarthmore, Chicago, Wash&Lee) that meet full financial need while packaging aid awards with no loans for each admitted student. With Bloomberg's recent gift to Johns Hopkins, they'll join this group for the foreseeable future.

They should be NCAA tournament teams every year if they meet full need. Missing should be an embarrassment. Talk about an advantage... And they have full time assistants.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2018, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 24, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 23, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
There are 8 D3 schools(Amherst, Bowdoin, Colby, MIT, Pomona, Swarthmore, Chicago, Wash&Lee) that meet full financial need while packaging aid awards with no loans for each admitted student. With Bloomberg's recent gift to Johns Hopkins, they'll join this group for the foreseeable future.

They should be NCAA tournament teams every year if they meet full need. Missing should be an embarrassment. Talk about an advantage... And they have full time assistants.

Of course, athletes have to get admitted first, which isn't always a slam dunk, especially at those schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2018, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 23, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
There are 8 D3 schools(Amherst, Bowdoin, Colby, MIT, Pomona, Swarthmore, Chicago, Wash&Lee) that meet full financial need while packaging aid awards with no loans for each admitted student. With Bloomberg's recent gift to Johns Hopkins, they'll join this group for the foreseeable future.

Not sure how much Hopkins will join the "group." Much of Bloomberg's money is for need-blind stuff. It was actually already existing at Hopkins, it is just now more public and has a name than anyone realized before. Not sure how much this affects things moving forward with athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on November 25, 2018, 11:43:41 PM
The only thing funny about this "new revelation" is the people who seem to think that now Johns Hopkins is going to be dominant in the conference. As if they don't already do quite well in most sports and enjoy significant advantages. I am happy for all the students who will now be able to attend a great school without financial strain. But the Jays have been and will be the same powerhouse they have been.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2018, 11:54:54 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on November 25, 2018, 11:43:41 PM
The only thing funny about this "new revelation" is the people who seem to think that now Johns Hopkins is going to be dominant in the conference. As if they don't already do quite well in most sports and enjoy significant advantages. I am happy for all the students who will now be able to attend a great school without financial strain. But the Jays have been and will be the same powerhouse they have been.

Hopkins is certainly a strong department from top to bottom, but I'll honestly say this ... I'm surprised they aren't more successful considering the dynamics. I wonder sometimes why they don't win more. While consistent, I would not put JHU in the "powerhouse" section. Maybe that's because I cover so many sports where they are good, but they aren't more than that - even football despite their appearance in the quarterfinals this year.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: sunny on November 26, 2018, 07:42:39 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2018, 11:54:54 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on November 25, 2018, 11:43:41 PM
The only thing funny about this "new revelation" is the people who seem to think that now Johns Hopkins is going to be dominant in the conference. As if they don't already do quite well in most sports and enjoy significant advantages. I am happy for all the students who will now be able to attend a great school without financial strain. But the Jays have been and will be the same powerhouse they have been.

Hopkins is certainly a strong department from top to bottom, but I'll honestly say this ... I'm surprised they aren't more successful considering the dynamics. I wonder sometimes why they don't win more. While consistent, I would not put JHU in the "powerhouse" section. Maybe that's because I cover so many sports where they are good, but they aren't more than that - even football despite their appearance in the quarterfinals this year.

Their past five Directors' Cup finishes (in reverse chronological order) were seventh, fifth, 12th, second, and third. Their 12th-place finish three years ago is their only finish outside the top nine this decade. I know that's not a perfect measurement, but if they aren't already a powerhouse, they are pretty close to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on November 26, 2018, 10:37:20 AM
Can anyone that follows F&M please share with me why in God's name is Mike Rice the starting PG, captain of the team and even on the team! Watching this kid play, at this point, is disrespect to the PG legacy of those who have come before him. The kid is god awful, lacks any type of basketball skill what so ever. Not quite sure why Nick doesn't have him buried at the back of the bench with Les Thomas & Jerry Ben, both of whom, I think, should be seeing more court time.

Great to see the development of Matt Redhead and the continued growth of JC. With these two in the frontcourt, the Diplomats should have a strong run this year. I'm hoping Nichay has something in the works to continue to work the younger guys into the rotation.

While I'm not totally happy with his use of the bench, I think Nick is doing a quality job in filling in for Coach Robinson in his absents. It's also really encouraging to see Ms. Robinson still attending the games in her husband's absence. I'd love to know how many games she's seen if her lifetime. If memory serves me correct outside of the 16-17 season when she was ill, she hasn't really missed any games.

Continue to strive Dips! #GoDips #WhyItWorks
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 26, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Quote from: sunny on November 26, 2018, 07:42:39 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2018, 11:54:54 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on November 25, 2018, 11:43:41 PM
The only thing funny about this "new revelation" is the people who seem to think that now Johns Hopkins is going to be dominant in the conference. As if they don't already do quite well in most sports and enjoy significant advantages. I am happy for all the students who will now be able to attend a great school without financial strain. But the Jays have been and will be the same powerhouse they have been.

Hopkins is certainly a strong department from top to bottom, but I'll honestly say this ... I'm surprised they aren't more successful considering the dynamics. I wonder sometimes why they don't win more. While consistent, I would not put JHU in the "powerhouse" section. Maybe that's because I cover so many sports where they are good, but they aren't more than that - even football despite their appearance in the quarterfinals this year.

Their past five Directors' Cup finishes (in reverse chronological order) were seventh, fifth, 12th, second, and third. Their 12th-place finish three years ago is their only finish outside the top nine this decade. I know that's not a perfect measurement, but if they aren't already a powerhouse, they are pretty close to it.

That shows consistency to some degree ... and it is helped by a couple of sports that can a bit further than the majority (not considering lacrosse which isn't factored in). I guess I'm more surprised that Hopkins is not further in national tournaments as those numbers would seem to indicate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 26, 2018, 04:40:58 PM
The financial aid package at Swarthmore was absolutely a game changer. We put three kids through college and the Swarthmore financial aid package was miles better than the other two colleges my kids went to. And, having a Swarthmore degree ain't a bad thing either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 27, 2018, 09:55:29 PM
One of my children's tuition was significantly less at a Centennial school than that of my other at a MAC school. I was shocked.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on November 29, 2018, 09:55:18 AM
Is it just me, or does it seem the CC teams are getting crushed by their non-conference opponents?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 29, 2018, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 27, 2018, 09:55:29 PM
One of my children's tuition was significantly less at a Centennial school than that of my other at a MAC school. I was shocked.

Can really depend on the school.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 30, 2018, 01:55:44 PM
Very true, Dave. It's all the school, what they need or are targeting etc... We were fortunate to not need to rely on FA however the aid was given by the Centennial school not the MAC. It's definitely school by school because other Cent schools were nowhere close to the aid given by their peer for my daughter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 01, 2018, 04:57:45 PM
Crazy ending at Swat - F&M game. F&M down one, hits three point shot that appeared to be after the buzzer. I watched it a number of times and it looked like he didn't get it off. However, it was very close. I was wondering if anyone else saw it and if they thought it was good?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 01, 2018, 05:21:08 PM
Just saw game on SWAT broadcast. Announcers thought it went off around 0.1 sec. Both of us watching thought on replay it left hand after 0.1 but before buzzer sounded while ball was in air, but it was close.
What a fiercely defended game looking like playoff intensity from beginning to end.
Wiley and Harkins led team to stirring final minute comeback. Earlier Dips rallied 8+ point deficit with Kupa taking over handling the point and scoring in clutch later minutes. I also was impressed with Les Thomas off the bench making 2 free throws after getting clobbered during an intentional 2 foul & making a key long trifecta with shot clock nearly at 0 that seemed to save Dips impressing me with all aspects of his game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 01, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on December 01, 2018, 05:21:08 PM
Just saw game on SWAT broadcast. Announcers thought it went off around 0.1 sec. Both of us watching thought on replay it left hand after 0.1 but before buzzer sounded while ball was in air, but it was close.
What a fiercely defended game looking like playoff intensity from beginning to end.
Wiley and Harkins led team to stirring final minute comeback. Earlier Dips rallied 8+ point deficit with Kupa taking over handling the point and scoring in clutch later minutes. I also was impressed with Les Thomas off the bench making 2 free throws after getting clobbered during an intentional 2 foul & making a key long trifecta with shot clock nearly at 0 that seemed to save Dips impressing me with all aspects of his game.

Thanks. I thought ball was still in his hands at 0.0 but it was really close. Good commentary on the game. Defense by both teams was playoff basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 03, 2018, 10:00:55 AM
hopkins looking good
f&m competitive as always
swat off to a tough start not finishing two close games
haverford beat gettysburg who beat f&m?

it's early...we shall see
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on December 03, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Been a while since ive posted and for good reason too. My wife and doctor seem to think it could contribute to my health issues. Not easy being a passionate fan when you inevitably get worked up over things all while dealing with typical health issues of an old man :).

Anyway,
Few things i like and dont like so far from the Cent(feel free to engage in healthy debate):

Dislike: Not thrilled with how the cent started against out of conference teams- that being said I think we could agree there has been a slight dip in overall depth  over the past few years

2. Swat starting 1-2 in conference. Could Coach Kowalski's head gotten too big due to overload of success from day 1? I think the garnet end up coming around but interesting story line nonetheless

3. Mcdaniel. I dislike mcdaniel. Remember a few years ago when they were competing for a final playiff spot? I know it's early but we could see another down year for the terror. Cosching change coming?

Like:
1. How the Diplomats have dealt with adversity. Legendary robinson dealing with illness isn't easy when the guy has been their face for decades now.

2. Mules look to be the mules we have grown to love. Mules off and running! 2-1 start in conterence not to mention the youth movement on that roster. Returners gnias and Duke of hazard didnt play early on. Must have been injuries or who knows what

3. I liked Hopkins preseason and I'm standing by that. Hopkins will win conference but don't count out Franklin and Marshall to keep it interesting.

..until next time..




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:36:12 PM
I'm sorry to hear you are struggling from health issues, but maybe you should stay off the boards ... you once again prove you are smoking something...

I'll have a healthy debate, but how about you start these debates with respectful comments and thoughts. Nothing you write seems to be "healthy" for debate or consumption.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on December 03, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Dislike: Not thrilled with how the cent started against out of conference teams- that being said I think we could agree there has been a slight dip in overall depth  over the past few years

I think most people expected a dip this year. Everyone lost key players from last season. If you were expecting the conference to turn into a juggernaut, you have a very different perspective than many. I was a little surprised JHU stubbed their toe early, BUT they also sorted themselves. With as much parity in DIII basketball that there is now (and has been for some time, building more and more), taking losses that seemed odd five or ten years ago is a thing of the past. Sure, some things look odd, but many programs are improving rather than just in the Centennial.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on December 03, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
2. Swat starting 1-2 in conference. Could Coach Kowalski's head gotten too big due to overload of success from day 1? I think the garnet end up coming around but interesting story line nonetheless

Here is a great example of where your comments aren't helpful, healthy, or starting a debate. You are simply firing shots.

Yeah, Swat lost on two buzzer beaters last week against the two other top three teams in the conference this season. Did you think they were playing the bottom of the conference? I removed them from my Top 25, for now, but that doesn't mean they won't be good.

Also, where does Coach Kowalski's size of his apparent head have anything to do with this? If he had a big head, I'm quite sure he wouldn't be coaching at Swat anymore. Talent changes in the college game. You lose players and you gain players. While some Top 25 voters had Swat pretty highly ranked, I can tell you two voters from this region (Ryan and myself) did NOT vote them that high (15-20 range). Voters will adjust. Swat is still a good team, but they are putting new players in new roles. Let's slow your role on bashing them so quickly. (And no, a defense of "I think garnet end up coming around" is not good enough; that's hedging a bet after dropping the negative comments first.)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on December 03, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
3. Mcdaniel. I dislike mcdaniel. Remember a few years ago when they were competing for a final playiff spot? I know it's early but we could see another down year for the terror. Cosching change coming?

SMH If you don't like McDaniel then move on. Where are you basing your idea of a coaching change? Have you dived into what is going on at McDaniel? Did you notice the roster? I'm sure they would like to start in conference a bit better, but that is a completely different team than in the past. Their best player, Austin Cannon, has been injured early this season. Having watched McDaniel, I think they will find a way to pick up a good number of Ws this season. Unless something changed drastically in the last week, they have a ton of fight in them this season. How about we wait to see a few more games before we start calling for coach's heads, okay?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on December 03, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Like:
1. How the Diplomats have dealt with adversity. Legendary robinson dealing with illness isn't easy when the guy has been their face for decades now.

Well... he did miss a couple of games last year for illness as well. I suspect this program is a bit more comfortable with Glenn Robinson needing to miss a few games. Yes, it is nice to see them not roll over, though they did lose to Gettysburg and York (who is drastically different than last year) which shows me a bit of inconsistently right now. I'm not knocking that. I kind of expected it. They have a lot of pieces still trying to find themselves in a very different team this year (sans Federici). This time of year can be very wacky and for F&M to take a couple of hits isn't the end of the world in my opinion. I suspect the Diplomats will be battling at the top of the conference by the end of this.

Interestingly, you compliment F&M with two losses to a middle/bottom Centennial team and a non-conference foe for battling through challenges ... but you knock Swat for losing two games against the top of the conference on buzzer beaters seemingly to think they don't have challenges on the court, either.

Odd, I say. Odd.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on December 03, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
2. Mules look to be the mules we have grown to love. Mules off and running! 2-1 start in conterence not to mention the youth movement on that roster. Returners gnias and Duke of hazard didnt play early on. Must have been injuries or who knows what
Wait ... what?! Were you not the team absolutely killing this program last year for the coaching staff decisions and others? Now you are complimenting what the program has turned into? I have to wonder who might be responsible for what the program has become. Wait ... let me think on it for a moment. I am sure it will come to me. No, seriously, don't answer... I'm sure I can come up with it... (sarcasm)

Also, for someone who seems so "in touch" with the program in the last few seasons, I'm shocked you don't know the status of a player - being injured or not. Shocked, I say. (sarcasm)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on December 03, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
3. I liked Hopkins preseason and I'm standing by that. Hopkins will win conference but don't count out Franklin and Marshall to keep it interesting.

Many people liked JHU. Not a reach. I think JHU, F&M, and Swat will be battling at the top once again this year. I also think the conference is deeper and the middle will surprise.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on December 03, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
..until next time..

Please no. Unless you can come back with a bit more of a civil tone. No one missed you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on December 06, 2018, 09:43:34 AM
Does anyone know how to get access to previous games that require a password? I wasn't able to catch the Dips v. Haverford last night and wanted to hopefully watch it this morning. Any suggestions appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2018, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: GoDiplomats on December 06, 2018, 09:43:34 AM
Does anyone know how to get access to previous games that require a password? I wasn't able to catch the Dips v. Haverford last night and wanted to hopefully watch it this morning. Any suggestions appreciated.

Don't get me on my soap box on this one ...

The school is the only option. Ask them. They should be making all broadcasts available to everyone, but ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: GoDiplomats on December 06, 2018, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2018, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: GoDiplomats on December 06, 2018, 09:43:34 AM
Does anyone know how to get access to previous games that require a password? I wasn't able to catch the Dips v. Haverford last night and wanted to hopefully watch it this morning. Any suggestions appreciated.

Don't get me on my soap box on this one ...

The school is the only option. Ask them. They should be making all broadcasts available to everyone, but ...


Thank for this Dave. I guess I'll be giving Haverford a call lol. Never understood why they lock them anyway but hey.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2018, 06:34:04 AM

Especially Haverford.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 07, 2018, 10:38:25 AM
There are coaches - in all sports - that prefer that their games don't remain on-line.  They'd rather not have opponents be able to see all of their games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 07, 2018, 10:38:25 AM
There are coaches - in all sports - that prefer that their games don't remain on-line.  They'd rather not have opponents be able to see all of their games.

Only problem ... those same coaches are putting their games up on systems like Synergy, by conference rule, where they are available basically for all coaches. The games are also broken down to play by play on those systems.

So, they can claim "not have opponents be able to see all their games," but opponents are seeing all of their games anyway.

The excuse is a cop-out. They are only hurting parents, alums, others on campus, media, and many others who can't just tune in when the game is live.

Let's not even talk about the fact that coaches compare and share ideas ALL of the time. I've sat there listening to them. They do it at conventions and smaller gatherings.

This issue continues to anger me because it is completely baseless. It only hurts those who shouldn't be affected by the egos of coaches. Also, no one can prove it helps them win. There is plenty of proof that it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 07, 2018, 12:58:19 PM
Dave,
You had me until the last line. I agree that Synergy (and especially the conferences that mandate every-game sharing) has basically made the idea of keeping your games secret obsolete. Older coaches probably remember fondly the days of mailing vhs to each other and only having to share one or two games within the conference. Old habits die hard.

These games should be available to everyone so fans/families from anywhere can watch their team/kids play. Based on their general game management I would guess that Haverford, specifically, just can't figure it out.

BUT there are plenty of teams out there that are "scouting report" teams and being able to notice tendencies of players/defenses can swing two or three possessions a game. I don't think you can claim amazing parity in d3 hoops and then argue against the importance of being able to plan for an opponent by watching them play beforehand when a 4-point swing can be the difference. Some coaching staffs (complete side note: the plural of "coaching staff" should be "coachings staff") might not choose to utilize it, or have the ability to break it down effectively, but it is a useful tool. I am being sincere because I am interested: Can you point me to the "proof" that having the ability to scout an opponent "doesn't make a damn bit of difference"? Is there research? An article? Or is it anecdotal?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 02:00:59 PM
I did not say scouting doesn't make a damn bit of difference ... I'm saying hiding the web streams doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

Yes, scouting is important and it's being done both by video and in-person. That won't go away. But hiding the web streams isn't helping or hurting scouting. These games are already broken down by companies like Synergy. You can watch the entire game or you can watch individual moments or plays. The plays are even broken down to individual players on offense or defense with reports per those players. There is basically nothing, from what I have seen (been given access to these programs myself), that can't be done, broken down, or seen from game tapes.

Considering all conferences dictate that game film must be uploaded from all games and available on these platforms AND considering the games are NOT restricted to just in-conference (when I have been given access, I can see every single college program in the country on that platform, no matter the division or affiliation) ... the fact web streams are hidden is uncalled for.

I can give you a great example of how hiding videos doesn't change a damn thing. One school I know well who was hiding videos had a play early in the season that worked pretty well against a zone - especially a 2-3. It was a backdoor, baseline, cut from the wing with the guard throwing an alley-oop from the opposite elbow-line extended (beyond the three point line) for a slam dunk. Worked the first game or two, though the games were not available on archive. However, the games were uploaded and scouts were in the building. By the fourth or fifth game of the season ... that play was no longer working or even available. Teams had figured it out. Crazy considering the archives were not available, right?

Also, how in the world does Duke men's basketball, Alabama football, and "you name a program" continue to succeed, win games, get the tournaments, and even win championships, when their games on are broadcast on TV, re-aired COUNTLESS times on TV, and broken down by "experts" on TV thousands of ways? Those games aren't "hidden." Those games aren't kept from the viewing public ... and yet, those programs still seem to succeed. In fact, they get better and better.

Hiding the archives is a cop-out. Plain and simple. And I DO realize coaches read these forums and I hope they take what I am saying to heart. This only hurts the program. When people complain their programs aren't ranked high enough in Top 25 polls (or receiving votes) and that program hides its archives ... it isn't helping the program. When people talk about alumni involvement and recruiting advantages of programs who don't hide their archives ... the answer is pretty simple.

We have to stop working under the guise that people can tune in to the games when they are aired live. Parents, alumni, media, etc. can't always tune in on a Saturday at 4pm to catch the game. I'd LOVE to watch more games, but when the archives are hidden, I am screwed. I am sure parents would love not to have to worry about carving out time at a specific time to watch (if they want to watch live, that's fine, but when it is in the middle of the work day or the drive home, it might be too difficult). And alumni are known to contribute more to departments and programs when they can watch them.

There is a reason the DVR is so popular and yet we hid archives of Division III sporting events ... because a coach doesn't want to be easily scouted ... despite the fact the same coach is uploading the game to programs behind the scenes AND using those same programs to scout their next opponents.

This has got to stop so more fans can enjoy Division III sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 07, 2018, 03:00:56 PM
Dave,
I totally agree with everything you are saying. I must have misunderstood what the "it" in "It doesn't make a difference" was, I thought you were saying scouting doesn't make a difference (which was a surprise take by you). Thanks for clearing up your stance. I had never considered that Top 25 voters would use archived games to make voting decisions and now I think hiding the archives is more than just mean to fans and family but also downright stupid!

As someone who lives far from the east coast teams they want to support I am ALWAYS glad to have a chance to see teams I can't catch live. I will join you in this crusade!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on December 07, 2018, 03:00:56 PM
Dave,
I totally agree with everything you are saying. I must have misunderstood what the "it" in "It doesn't make a difference" was, I thought you were saying scouting doesn't make a difference (which was a surprise take by you). Thanks for clearing up your stance. I had never considered that Top 25 voters would use archived games to make voting decisions and now I think hiding the archives is more than just mean to fans and family but also downright stupid!

As someone who lives far from the east coast teams they want to support I am ALWAYS glad to have a chance to see teams I can't catch live. I will join you in this crusade!

Thank you! The more the merrier!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on December 11, 2018, 08:36:55 PM
What does Hank have in common with Michael Jordan, Jesus and The Undertaker... all of these extraordinary humans have made an epic comeback just like you are all witnessing Hank doing now. Let me take you all down a trip to memory lane. June 5th 2008, not a cloud in the sky in Boston that night when the emphatical Paul Pierce exits the game in a wheelchair early in the game. A packed stadium of 40,000 people, completely silent hoping to wake up from this petrifying nightmare. All Bostonians knew without Paul their destiny was nothing but impending doom. Paul came out of that locker-room full throttled just like Hank is doing on the boards. Paul was later crowned a champion and he cemented his legacy as will I, in advance you are all welcome.



Who would I be not to chime in on the Mules season. Yes, at times I was a harsh critic of Coach Hopkins and I do admit this was partially due to my undying loyalty for Scott McClary. Having said that I think Coach Hopkins has done an extremely good job with this young team. Whenever a coaching change is made you get to see the philosophy of the new coach through the newly recruited players. McClarley liked long athletic players who could get up and down the court in transition. He loved above the rim players like LaRose ad Rindock. Coach Hopkins seems to like more skilled and higher IQ players as shown by his more complex offense. Having the ability to instill the fundamentals in these sensational freshman shows that he truly has the potential to be great coach. I do agree that this blog should be more positive, but I would like to quickly mention that I believe the departure of Jake "DJ" Brown is a large contributor to this years Mules Success. When there is a divergence of ideas and ideologies between coaches', it is never a positive for the players.



Season is young and I'm looking forward to watching another great year of Centennial Conference Basketball!



-PS, I would gladly speak on any of your podcasts if given the opportunity to do so
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 12, 2018, 01:38:59 PM
As this is a slow time for this board, I am going to revisit the topic of financial aid which we addressed a couple of weeks ago---particularly as it relates to the ten teams that participate in Centennial Conference MBB.  First of all, there are the important NCAA rules:

---Financial aid should be the same for all students.  Student athletes and non-athletes should be treated the same.
---Athletics staff members are not allowed to have any role in determining institutional aid and are not permitted to modify or arrange
          financial aid packages.
---All institutions must participate in an annual electronic reporting process which compares financial aid packages of freshmen and
          transfer student athletes with those of aid packages of other freshmen and transfers.

How much financial aid can an institution award?  That depends on the institution and what they can afford----but, it must be allocated equitably between athletes and non-athletes.  How much an institution budgets for financial aid is probably related to the size of their endowments---more specifically---their endowment ratios per student.  Here are some interesting numbers for the ten CC schools.

                                      Endowment                   Per Student
Johns Hopkins                 $3,381,000,000             $  140,794
Swarthmore                    $2,116,000,000             $1,044,833 
Haverford                       $   528,000,000             $   344,938
Dickinson                       $   381,000,000             $   150,958
Franklin & Marshall         $   367,000,000             $    131,757
Gettysburg                     $  314,000,000              $   109,660
Muhlenberg                    $   263,000,000             $     89,937
Washington                    $   201,800,000             $    124,145
Ursinus                          $   137,000,000             $      87,732
McDaniel                        $   109,500,000             $      47,845

Numbers from U.S. News and are a snapshot of a recent point in time.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2018, 01:56:11 PM
Gabriel,
   Thanks for the info. Would u know for what the endowments are used each year? I would guess some % for financial aid, but what other uses - academic chairs, special programs, facilities? or just retained for investment?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2018, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 12, 2018, 01:56:11 PM
Gabriel,
   Thanks for the info. Would u know for what the endowments are used each year? I would guess some % for financial aid, but what other uses - academic chairs, special programs, facilities? or just retained for investment?

It varies a lot by schools and they're not required to break it down publicly if they don't want to do so.  I do believe the IRS has "suggested" schools have to use at least 5% of their endowments each year, but I don't think there's any requirements on how.

Financial aid decisions vary wildly from school to school.  I imagine a place like Johns Hopkins, with higher visibility, doesn't need the same kind of financial aid incentive as Muhlenberg or Dickinson, say.  JHU and Swat now both have no loan guarantees, right?  That makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 12, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
"As this is a slow time for this board, I am going to revisit the topic of financial aid which we addressed a couple of weeks ago---particularly as it relates to the ten teams that participate in Centennial Conference MBB.  First of all, there are the important NCAA rules:

---Financial aid should be the same for all students.  Student athletes and non-athletes should be treated the same.
---Athletics staff members are not allowed to have any role in determining institutional aid and are not permitted to modify or arrange
          financial aid packages.
---All institutions must participate in an annual electronic reporting process which compares financial aid packages of freshmen and
          transfer student athletes with those of aid packages of other freshmen and transfers.

How much financial aid can an institution award?  That depends on the institution and what they can afford----but, it must be allocated equitably between athletes and non-athletes.  How much an institution budgets for financial aid is probably related to the size of their endowments---more specifically---their endowment ratios per student."

Thank you for that. Financial aid I believe is a tricky thing to figure out. I know my three kids at three different colleges (Swarthmore, Skidmore, and Ithaca College) had widely different financial aid packages. Swarthmore's was by far the best, especially the last two years. I never realized it was a set rule that athletes and non-athletes had to have the same financial aid package. Is that really a NCAA rule or just they should be somewhat close? Why can a kid who is good at science or playing the tuba allowed to get huge scholarship type aid help, but not a kid with a good jump shot? I am really interested why a good tuba player is ok and a good jump shot is not. Thanks. Good and interesting topic by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2018, 02:15:20 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on December 12, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on December 12, 2018, 01:38:59 PM
As this is a slow time for this board, I am going to revisit the topic of financial aid which we addressed a couple of weeks ago---particularly as it relates to the ten teams that participate in Centennial Conference MBB.  First of all, there are the important NCAA rules:

---Financial aid should be the same for all students.  Student athletes and non-athletes should be treated the same.
---Athletics staff members are not allowed to have any role in determining institutional aid and are not permitted to modify or arrange
          financial aid packages.
---All institutions must participate in an annual electronic reporting process which compares financial aid packages of freshmen and
          transfer student athletes with those of aid packages of other freshmen and transfers.

How much financial aid can an institution award?  That depends on the institution and what they can afford----but, it must be allocated equitably between athletes and non-athletes.  How much an institution budgets for financial aid is probably related to the size of their endowments---more specifically---their endowment ratios per student.

Thank you for that. Financial aid I believe is a tricky thing to figure out. I know my three kids at three different colleges (Swarthmore, Skidmore, and Ithaca College) had widely different financial aid packages. Swarthmore's was by far the best, especially the last two years. I never realized it was a set rule that athletes and non-athletes had to have the same financial aid package. Is that really a NCAA rule or just they should be somewhat close? Why can a kid who is good at science or playing the tuba allowed to get huge scholarship type aid help, but not a kid with a good jump shot? I am really interested why a good tuba player is ok and a good jump shot is not. Thanks. Good and interesting topic by the way.

I believe the variation for fin-aid between athletes and non-athletes can't be more than 3% in either direction.  Don't quote me on that, but it's something close.  That obviously applies to merit aid.  Need-based is more straightforward.  As long as you've got a standard you use for all students, that goes smoothly as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2018, 02:31:40 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2018, 02:15:20 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on December 12, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on December 12, 2018, 01:38:59 PM
As this is a slow time for this board, I am going to revisit the topic of financial aid which we addressed a couple of weeks ago---particularly as it relates to the ten teams that participate in Centennial Conference MBB.  First of all, there are the important NCAA rules:

---Financial aid should be the same for all students. Student athletes and non-athletes should be treated the same.
---Athletics staff members are not allowed to have any role in determining institutional aid and are not permitted to modify or arrange
          financial aid packages.
---All institutions must participate in an annual electronic reporting process which compares financial aid packages of freshmen and
          transfer student athletes with those of aid packages of other freshmen and transfers.

How much financial aid can an institution award?  That depends on the institution and what they can afford----but, it must be allocated equitably between athletes and non-athletes.  How much an institution budgets for financial aid is probably related to the size of their endowments---more specifically---their endowment ratios per student.

Thank you for that. Financial aid I believe is a tricky thing to figure out. I know my three kids at three different colleges (Swarthmore, Skidmore, and Ithaca College) had widely different financial aid packages. Swarthmore's was by far the best, especially the last two years. I never realized it was a set rule that athletes and non-athletes had to have the same financial aid package. Is that really a NCAA rule or just they should be somewhat close? Why can a kid who is good at science or playing the tuba allowed to get huge scholarship type aid help, but not a kid with a good jump shot? I am really interested why a good tuba player is ok and a good jump shot is not. Thanks. Good and interesting topic by the way.

I believe the variation for fin-aid between athletes and non-athletes can't be more than 3% in either direction.  Don't quote me on that, but it's something close.  That obviously applies to merit aid.  Need-based is more straightforward.  As long as you've got a standard you use for all students, that goes smoothly as well.

It would seem to violate the 1st rule above that there be no difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 12, 2018, 04:36:55 PM
Endowments are used to smooth out college's cash flow and to fund special chairs, student services, research etc.  Typically they do not touch the principal (corpus) but use some or all of the income from the investments.

Perhaps I should have said the financial aid packages offered athletes at given school should resemble similar packages offered to non-athletes.  Also, Ryan, the variance allowed by the NCAA is 4 percent. Complicated stuff!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 12, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
 I am not sure the rules you presented are complete enough to cover all the gray areas in the process (some schools award "leadership scholarships" of various sizes that can be given to students (athletes included), for example) and I KNOW that "endowment divided by student body" is not an accurate determination of what is available for students from the school.

JHU and Swat might cover all need without loans but you also have to get into those schools and both of them are very unique places some students might not fit. McDaniel might be cheaper overall but are you guaranteed housing all four years and, if not, how much does housing cost around campus? What is the ROI on an F&M diploma vs one from Gettysburg?

The topic of financial aid is an important component of recruiting and, thus, basketball programs in the conference. I jokingly posted about a month ago that a financial aid discussion could be its own thread but no one would go there, yet here we are. I sure hope we can get some hoops talk going on this board soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 12, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on December 12, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
I am not sure the rules you presented are complete enough to cover all the gray areas in the process (some schools award "leadership scholarships" of various sizes that can be given to students (athletes included), for example) and I KNOW that "endowment divided by student body" is not an accurate determination of what is available for students from the school.

The percentage was instituted to get around the "leadership" loophole.  It's been in place at least a decade, I think.  You can award all the leadership scholarships you want, but if your athletes get 10% more aid than the general student population, you're in big trouble.

I haven't heard about too many aid issues since the rule went in.  It's pretty straightforward and tough to get around without outright fraud.

The bigger issue is simply the amount of aid a school gives to students in general.  I know the Centennial has wide variations with the amount of aid available and it definitely affects athletic recruiting.  Your coaches sometimes have to be great salespeople for the school itself to overcome financial differences.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BleedingGreen on December 13, 2018, 08:57:42 AM
Hank, please do not make me return from my slumber.

If you bring back your blashpemous and boisterous BS then I shall rise like the Dark Knight.

All the best to everyone during the holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 14, 2018, 03:10:45 PM
I just wanted to share a stat from the York game the other night that many of you may have missed: Swarthmore out-rebounded York 63-23! By 40 rebounds. I have never heard of a game like that. I also believe York was 4-0 against Centennial teams this year. How in the world do you out-rebound a team by 40 rebounds. I've been involved with basketball for 50 years and I never remember anything like that ever happening at any level.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 14, 2018, 05:50:37 PM
That's alot Former Scranton head coach Bob Bessior had 43 rebounds in a game that is hard to believe also it was against kings 1955
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 20, 2018, 01:27:57 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 29, 2018, 07:36:04 AM
Fellow CC Fans -

Greetings! As we approach the new year, we welcome back D III men's basketball after an almost three-week hiatus for exams and the holidays. Hope everyone had a good Christmas holiday. Best wishes to all for 2019.

During the early games this year, freshman guard Watida Mukukula played significant minutes off of the bench for the Diplomats and scored some points. I have not seen his name in the box scores for the games just prior to the holiday. Does anyone know why he "disappeared"? Is he still on the F&M roster? Did he leave the program or is he injured?

Bring on the games again!

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 29, 2018, 03:48:14 PM
A very entertaining game at the Land of Magic Tourney in Daytona Beach last night as #5 Hamilton outlasted Ursinus 114-101.  Tough to ring up 101 points and still lose but the Bears played well offensively as they shot 54% from the field including 58% from three.  Defense was another story but make no mistake about it Hamilton is very good and worthy of their national ranking. Ursinus was a bit short handed missing two starters but others filled in admirably.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2018, 07:51:57 AM

Headed to see Middlebury at Swarthmore this afternoon.  Should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2018, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2018, 07:51:57 AM

Headed to see Middlebury at Swarthmore this afternoon.  Should be a good one.

Hopefully, Williams @ Moravian tomorrow afternoon will be another good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2018, 07:39:28 PM

Swat looked pretty good.  Visconti is hurt and didn't play, which was disappointing, but we got to see the Zac O'Dell show - he basically, single-handedly closed an eight point deficit in seemingly ten seconds towards the end of the game.  I think he very well might be the best player in the Mid-Atlantic Region - certainly the first one I'd draft, if such a thing existed.

A lot of sloppiness, but some better play than earlier this season.  I think they'll get there and with just one senior, the future is pretty bright.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 02, 2019, 01:17:08 PM
Thanks! Any idea what Visconti's injury is? Big win for Swat! I love O'Dell and have said it before, but the best player on the team by miles is Wiley. He is what makes the team go. I am glad to see some guys really stepped up this year and are playing well. Thanks again for game analysis. My internet was really slow so I just did stats. They don't always tell the tale of the tape.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2019, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 02, 2019, 01:17:08 PM
Thanks! Any idea what Visconti's injury is? Big win for Swat! I love O'Dell and have said it before, but the best player on the team by miles is Wiley. He is what makes the team go. I am glad to see some guys really stepped up this year and are playing well. Thanks again for game analysis. My internet was really slow so I just did stats. They don't always tell the tale of the tape.

I didn't get specifics, but it didn't seem serious.  "He's banged up" kind of stuff.  He might play tonight.  I don't know.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 02, 2019, 06:02:05 PM
Totally disagree that Wiley is the best player "by miles". If you like scoring, he can get a bucket on his own pretty regularly and that is great. But what is also great is defending three or four positions (sometimes even five depending on the matchup), rebounding and scoring. Both players are important to their success but Wiley has been out for some games or struggled in some matchups and they have done fine without him. I seem to remember you touting leading scorers in the past as "the best player" and I think the way Swat plays makes that not necessarily true.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 02, 2019, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on January 02, 2019, 06:02:05 PM
Totally disagree that Wiley is the best player "by miles". If you like scoring, he can get a bucket on his own pretty regularly and that is great. But what is also great is defending three or four positions (sometimes even five depending on the matchup), rebounding and scoring. Both players are important to their success but Wiley has been out for some games or struggled in some matchups and they have done fine without him. I seem to remember you touting leading scorers in the past as "the best player" and I think the way Swat plays makes that not necessarily true.
I have never said that. However, a guy who leads a team in scoring, assists, and steals and is the clear leader of the team is the best player. He was chosen as an All-American. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 02, 2019, 08:52:44 PM
Wiley is scoring 1.3 points more than O'Dell, and is actually FOURTH in steals while O'Dell leads them (not that steals mean much considering Swat has never gotten many steals in their defense). And )'Dell leads the team in rebounds and blocks and Wiley leads in assists. Why would you say he is "the clear leader"? The best thing about Swat is that they are equal-opportunity on offense and play great team defense. I was just saying that Wiley isn't "miles" better than other guys on the floor. It isn't a solo act. Both guys are good and both are necessary for the team to do well. As is Shafer's defensive presence as a shot-blocker, and Harkins as a shooter, and Abass as an on-ball defender. Wiley and O'Dell will get recognition at the end of the year if they keep playing like this.  I think I have some idea what I am talking about, thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2019, 06:33:32 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 02, 2019, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on January 02, 2019, 06:02:05 PM
Totally disagree that Wiley is the best player "by miles". If you like scoring, he can get a bucket on his own pretty regularly and that is great. But what is also great is defending three or four positions (sometimes even five depending on the matchup), rebounding and scoring. Both players are important to their success but Wiley has been out for some games or struggled in some matchups and they have done fine without him. I seem to remember you touting leading scorers in the past as "the best player" and I think the way Swat plays makes that not necessarily true.
I have never said that. However, a guy who leads a team in scoring, assists, and steals and is the clear leader of the team is the best player. He was chosen as an All-American. You have no idea what you are talking about.

He was an All-American two years ago.  I don't like to criticize student athletes too much, so I'll just say O'Dell has and continues to grow into his potential and expand his game.  I stand by what I said; I think he's the best player in the conference, perhaps the entire Mid-Atlantic region.  A really talented, well-rounded player who keeps improving.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 03, 2019, 11:43:15 AM
Agreed, I felt a little icky even comparing the two, just thought they both deserved credit for the good Swat start.

I am excited to see this conference get started and see who will separate themselves from the middle group of Ursinus, Dickinson, Muhlenberg and Gettysburg (the Devils already have Ws against two of the other teams). Out of the presumed best teams the first semester conf schedule was kindest to Hopkins, can they keep it rolling? Ursinus has the deadly Tue/Thu/Sat week with both JHU and F&M coming up. If you can go 2-1 in that stretch you gotta feel good about yourself!  A great thing about this league is that every "top level" team has a weakness and usually there is a bad matchup lower in the standings they have to overcome. That will make it fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 03, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on January 03, 2019, 11:43:15 AM
Agreed, I felt a little icky even comparing the two, just thought they both deserved credit for the good Swat start.

I am excited to see this conference get started and see who will separate themselves from the middle group of Ursinus, Dickinson, Muhlenberg and Gettysburg (the Devils already have Ws against two of the other teams). Out of the presumed best teams the first semester conf schedule was kindest to Hopkins, can they keep it rolling? Ursinus has the deadly Tue/Thu/Sat week with both JHU and F&M coming up. If you can go 2-1 in that stretch you gotta feel good about yourself!  A great thing about this league is that every "top level" team has a weakness and usually there is a bad matchup lower in the standings they have to overcome. That will make it fun!

The Ursinus trifecta next week includes McDaniel at McDaniel (never ever easy), JHU at Ursinus and F&M in Lancaster.  The scheduler did them no favors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on January 05, 2019, 08:51:26 AM

The box score shows that Slyka did not play at all for F&M against Neuman on Thursday night. Does anyone know why? Injury? Other? Thanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on January 08, 2019, 08:20:58 PM
Quote from: diplomaniac1 on January 05, 2019, 08:51:26 AM

The box score shows that Slyka did not play at all for F&M against Neuman on Thursday night. Does anyone know why? Injury? Other? Thanks.

Eric
They just said on the broadcast tonight that he's battling an injury and was cleared to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 09, 2019, 05:41:16 AM
What a wild Tuesday night. Hopkins is on a downward spiral, F&M loses a game while opponent shoots 33% and 15% from 3, and Gettysburg puts up absolutely no fight against Swat in the second half. The standings bunched up last night.  Can anyone from JH explain their downward trend. They were playing some really good ball before the holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2019, 06:32:31 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 09, 2019, 05:41:16 AM
What a wild Tuesday night. Hopkins is on a downward spiral, F&M loses a game while opponent shoots 33% and 15% from 3, and Gettysburg puts up absolutely no fight against Swat in the second half. The standings bunched up last night.  Can anyone from JH explain their downward trend. They were playing some really good ball before the holidays.

Connor Delaney hasn't played the last three games.  I'm not sure how bad his injury is, but that takes some adjustment.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2019, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2019, 06:32:31 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 09, 2019, 05:41:16 AM
What a wild Tuesday night. Hopkins is on a downward spiral, F&M loses a game while opponent shoots 33% and 15% from 3, and Gettysburg puts up absolutely no fight against Swat in the second half. The standings bunched up last night.  Can anyone from JH explain their downward trend. They were playing some really good ball before the holidays.

Connor Delaney hasn't played the last three games.  I'm not sure how bad his injury is, but that takes some adjustment.

He's out for the season ... as discussed in both games in Vegas :)

He had surgery on a broken foot during the break - can't remember the cause of the break, but stress fracture or something comes to mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 09, 2019, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 09, 2019, 05:41:16 AM
What a wild Tuesday night. Hopkins is on a downward spiral, F&M loses a game while opponent shoots 33% and 15% from 3, and Gettysburg puts up absolutely no fight against Swat in the second half. The standings bunched up last night.  Can anyone from JH explain their downward trend. They were playing some really good ball before the holidays.

Didn't mention the insane game at McDaniel with Ursinus in town. Second half was tight, then the Green Terror go on a ... sorry, tear and take a 12 point lead. It waffles between six and eight for a good long while then suddenly the Bears go on their own run. Closing minute, Ursinus looking to ice the game leading by two have their pockets' picked ... McDaniel doesn't see the wide open man on the break and eventually call time out. Out of the break, a hell of a play gives McDaniel the chance to tie it inside and a huge block ... and Ursinus survives. It was crazy.

Ursinus has Hopkins and Swat ahead in the next three games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 11, 2019, 10:27:33 AM
While watching the F&M game last night, I thought I saw Glenn Robinson on the bench.  Is he back?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 11, 2019, 01:04:09 PM
He IS back! Glad he is healthy and returned to the sideline. Not a Dips fan, but its more fun when he's over there yelling and complaining haha.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2019, 01:13:50 PM
He returned to the bench for their game on 12/28.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 16, 2019, 02:15:49 PM
First day of games where everyone plays an opponent for the second time. It is a great chance to see any changes over the last few months. Some teams are coming out of the three-game week limping, others are feeling good. Who ya got?

Wash@Fords: Washington is playing well and they beat the squirrels at home last time, but only by 4. I am glad to see Scibelli looks healthy this season after a knee injury slowed him down. Washington has been playing well lately, I think they keep it rolling on the road with a W

Gburg@Ursinus: Was not impressed with the "firepower" I see on the court for the bullets lately. I think this is a game that Ursinus gets at home because they have a bunch of long dudes who can score. And as a coach said recently during March Madness "Dudes are dudes" and thats all you need sometimes. https://thebiglead.com/2015/03/19/north-florida-coach-ballers-make-plays-dudes-are-dudes/ (https://thebiglead.com/2015/03/19/north-florida-coach-ballers-make-plays-dudes-are-dudes/)

Mules@Swat: Mules have been playing well recently but this is he type of game that a team like Swarthmore should win easily at home. Interestingly these are the top 2 3-point defenses in the country right now and both teams love putting up shots from outside. The Shafer/O'Dell tandem inside could be the difference.

Hopkins@Dickinson: This is a tough one because JHU is a different team without their best player, but the Jays coaching staff is definitely good enough to make the adjustments. Having a relatively easy schedule last week gave them a chance to adjust without falling behind in the standings. Im going to say the Devils smell blood and wear out the thinner roster of JHU at home for the win.

F&M@McDaniel: Normally everyone would say "McDaniel is tough at home" and "these two teams always play each other close" but the reality is that McDaniel has a lot of issues this season and F&M lost by 3 at their place earlier in the year. Can we really imagine the Dips not coming in totally locked in for some payback?



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2019, 02:22:32 PM
To be fair about Hopkins ... they have been adjusting to life without Delaney since Christmas. Last week was their first opportunity. While they played well in Vegas, they also did lose three straight to start this part of the season without Delaney.

I think they adjusted well in Vegas, though they were also dealing with O'Neil being sick which didn't help as Villa got worn out. I think they will prove to be just as dangerous without Delaney.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 16, 2019, 02:35:14 PM
Totally agree. I think a Vegas tournament right out of break is a tough time to judge a team with that kind of roster change either way (other teams dont know how to scout them, the team trying to figure out what will work). So I sort of threw those two out. I think a major issue for them will really just be minutes distribution. Who picks up the 27 minutes and handles to ball? I don't think they are out of it at all in the long run, but against a team that can play a lot of tough guards like Dickinson does they could struggle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2019, 04:19:11 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 19, 2019, 04:13:41 PM
Wow!  What a game.  Ursinus defeats Swat 94-88.  That was one of the best D3 games I have seen in some time.  Both teams played very well and the Bears prevailed.  Swat shot 45% overall---43.3% from three and 83.3% from the line and had only 7 turnovers. They played an excellent game and, in my view, are still the team to beat in the CC.

But, my friends, my Bears are in the hunt.  When they played earlier at Swat they were down two starters and today they were without George Gordon, a key rotation player on a day when you are playing against three excellent bigs.  Bears shot 53% over all including 64% from three and an amazing 89% from the line.  The best game Ursinus has played this year.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 19, 2019, 11:31:49 PM
Yeah, Swat gave up 57 points in the second half. I was shocked but have to give Ursinus credit. Biggest shocker? Ursinus bench - ZERO points and still a win!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 20, 2019, 08:23:51 AM
Congrats to Coach Small and Ursinus for their big win over Swat. 94 points against a strong Swat defensive team...the Bears came to play!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 20, 2019, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 19, 2019, 11:31:49 PM
Yeah, Swat gave up 57 points in the second half. I was shocked but have to give Ursinus credit. Biggest shocker? Ursinus bench - ZERO points and still a win!

Bench has been solid this year for the Bears.  As I said, George Gordon did not play due to flu (10 points/game) and Lucas Olshevski had a tough day missing at least four layups.  Both are normally solid rotation players.  Bruce Edwards did not score but he played solid defense.  Hard to name one Ursinus star as they all played well but Eric Williams certainly led the way with 30 points even though guarded very closely.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2019, 01:06:25 PM
I've been impressed with Ursinus, though curious about their inconsistency. I've seen them and then always wondered later why they didn't seem to be better from time to time.

I'm not surprised they beat Swat... I think they have that capability. They also shot really well and, from what I was told and surmised, attacked Swat's defense. That cat might be out of the bag and Swat adjusts, but well done by the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 21, 2019, 01:09:40 PM
D-Mac,

Ursinus has been inconsistent this year although obviously talented.  Part of the reason is they lost their sophomore starting point guard two days before their first game in November so they have had to improvise at that position.  Then they lost two starters for the whole month of December.  The two are now playing again but rusty having missed so much time.  Think they will be fine for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 23, 2019, 04:29:43 PM
thanks for the report Gabriel
Go Bears! Go Coach Small!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gofords on January 25, 2019, 11:44:45 AM
Tough one last night for the Fords. Played Swat even @Swat with Scibelli only playing 20 mins with foul trouble. I think they're better than their record indicates and I think Coach Doherty has done a great job considering where the program was a year and a half ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 25, 2019, 02:56:31 PM
gofords,

Couldn't agree more.  Fords are getting better by the hour it seems.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2019, 09:51:30 AM

I'm going to Swat - F&M today.  I'm not sure if the almost losing will wake Swat up.  Excited that I have no idea what to expect from either team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 27, 2019, 10:55:35 AM
ursinus is looking solid right now...playing well together with three solid players in williams jr, stark and mctamney. unselfish, excited and patient in their win over dickinson yesterday.
fords playing good basketball with several close losses. scibelli is their clear leader but they are also playing well together as a unit.
good job by coach small and coach doherty
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 27, 2019, 03:09:45 PM
centfan,

Agree with you regarding both Ursinus and Haverford. They meet on Wednesday at Haverford. Should be a good game.

Ursinus struggled in the first half against Dickinson but took control in the second half when they switched from zone to man.  Dickinson was well prepared for their zone.  You mentioned the Ursinus big three, and I will add Muredda and Edwards, both unselfish and solid defenders in ways that do not always show up in the box score.  Also, Ryan Hughes is an excellent freshman who gets better and better each game on both ends of the court. Go Bears!

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 04, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
nice weekend....
fords handle dickinson decisively
ursinus in a three way tie for first place
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 04, 2019, 06:55:31 PM
Coming down the home stretch and there are three teams with a chance at hosting the tournament (I guess there's a way for the Mules to win the conference but if that happens it deserves a much longer post). Take a quick look:

JHU-  (Opp Conf Win% 58.9)
@Swat
Ursinus
@ F&M
Haverford

Swat- (44.6%)
JHU
@Dickinson
@Haverford
McDaniel

Ursinus- (55.3%)
Wash
@ JHU
Mules
F&M


Hopkins has the toughest remaining schedule but also has a chance to sweep both of the other teams. Ursinus gets three of their last games at home but a 4-2 record at home isn't super flashy. Swat has the game against McD to finish at home which is nice. But Dickinson and Haverford would LOVE to play spoiler at home. What a fun end to the season, anyone could end up the regular season champions!

Points of Interest:
- Only one team in the last six years has hosted the conf tournament and won it- Swarthmore, two years ago.
- F&M has not missed a conference tournament since the 2007-08 season (I think that's right)
-F&M hosted the tournament for 5 straight years 2009-2014, no one else has won the regular season championship more than two times in a row (Swat could three-peat this year)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 05, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: centfan on February 04, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
nice weekend....
fords handle dickinson decisively
ursinus in a three way tie for first place

I would add to that the Patriot's Super Bowl win.  I think that will stir up the Eagle's nest.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2019, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 05, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: centfan on February 04, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
nice weekend....
fords handle dickinson decisively
ursinus in a three way tie for first place

I would add to that the Patriot's Super Bowl win.  I think that will stir up the Eagle's nest.

Sweeter the victory for the Eagles. Go Birds!

Last year's Super Bowl was so much more of an entertaining game.

This year's.......Sucked!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 05, 2019, 07:54:24 PM
Mailsy,

Depends on where you sit.  Pats 13 Rams 3.  Eagles not even mentioned. Sounds like the Pats won to me. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:17:10 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 11, 2019, 05:02:30 PM
Last week of the regular season. This has been a great year for competitive games up and down (mostly, sorry McD and Gburg) the conference. F&M has a doozy of a final week playing both Ursinus and JHU so they have to really lock in to keep that fifth spot for the playoffs.

Anyone have any thoughts on COY, POY, FOY, DPOY or all-conference teams? It is always fun to hear other people's opinion since I only catch a few games and have some thoughts but maybe I missed someone, or saw a player when they had an off night.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gofords on February 11, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
I don't have thoughts on all of the awards but in my opinion:
POY/DPOY: Zac O'Dell Swat
FOY: Dan Gaines Muhlenberg
1st Team All Conference: O'Dell
Michael Gardner Johns Hopkins
Eric Williams Ursinus
Joe Scibelli Haverford
Ryan McTamney Ursinus
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2019, 07:35:22 AM
Quote from: gofords on February 11, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
I don't have thoughts on all of the awards but in my opinion:
POY/DPOY: Zac O'Dell Swat
FOY: Dan Gaines Muhlenberg
1st Team All Conference: O'Dell
Michael Gardner Johns Hopkins
Eric Williams Ursinus
Joe Scibelli Haverford
Ryan McTamney Ursinus

What are your thoughts on Kupa from F&M - I only saw the one game in person, but he seems like a real future star to me; certainly one of the more talented players in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 12, 2019, 12:18:14 PM
I agree about Kupa. I think he is one of the top wing defenders in the league with room to grow as he gets smarter, right now he is playing on instinct and he is still really good. His shot is a little up and down and he does well in Robinson's strict offense but makes some poor decisions when it breaks down or he is in transition. But those are only tiny points for a guy who has handled a lot for his first year and kept the Dips in a lot of games. I think he has a real chance at Freshman of the Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: gofords on February 12, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
I believe Kupa is a sophomore. I like him, although maybe not as much as some. I agree that he is streaky offensively and while I think he has a lot of talent as a defender, a lot of the "selling calls" that he engages in isn't my thing. The guy on F&M that I really like is the big kid Ravetz. I think he's really talented, just doesn't always get a chance to show it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 12, 2019, 05:36:19 PM
You're right, I forget because he was behind those guards last year.

Three years ago, because of injuries, F&M went to the McGrath/Sylka lineup and it worked so they have never gone back to the days of two towers out there, tough for a big to get a ton of touches because of it. Some other players who should get some consideration but probably aren't first-teamers are:
Vila from JHU
Shafer and Wiley from Swat (Harkins?)
Turkson from Haverford
Gnias from Mules
McGrath from F&M
Washington from McDaniel was a stud scoring the ball early on but I think he has faded

Any precedent for Delaney as an Honorable Mention? he was doing so well in the first half of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 12, 2019, 11:44:35 PM
I know player of the year rightfully goes to someone on a winning team, but i think a case can be made for scibelli being the best player in the league this year. remarkable year given his injury last season. haverford lost by 2 to swat and o'dell and scibelli played each other even.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 13, 2019, 01:03:21 AM
Points and Rebounds aren't the only factors to determine a POY. Scibelli is a great player, and he has recovered from his injury (i thought it was two years ago) to be a strong candidate for First Team. But a good player on a mediocre team gets every play called for him and a ton of touches. Doing the most with fewer touches and getting stops on D against basically all five positions is a good recipe.

Now, knowing my luck Joe will have a great game tomorrow and you will "show me" but I know what I see on the court and I know what the numbers say.

Scibelli- 22.7% Usage, .916 Points/Poss (68th percentile), 49.4 TS%, gives up .919 PPP on D (37th percentile)

ODell-  14.5% Usage,  1.03 PPP (88th percentile) 63.3 TS%, give up .747 PPP (78th percentile)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2019, 10:25:52 AM

I think a lot depends on how the coaches view the award.  I could see other players being more talented than O'Dell, but if I were building a team, his versatility across the board would have me choosing him first by a mile.  Lots of good arguments out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:24:21 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 16, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
Didn't get to watch the game, why did McGrath only play 5 minutes for F&M?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 16, 2019, 06:59:37 PM
Mcgrath got hit by an errant elbow. Then was taken to locker I believe. I heard them say someone came out after half not in uniform and I assumed it was mcgrath but didn't actually hear the name clearly. From watching it seemed to involve face and/or head area.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 16, 2019, 09:05:34 PM
So who gets 4 and 5 place?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2019, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 16, 2019, 09:05:34 PM
So who gets 4 and 5 place?

Washington College will host Franklin & Marshall for the first round game.  WC went 2-0 against the Dips during the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:39:31 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 25, 2019, 08:35:31 AM
I have to say the end of the season for the Centennial was anti-climatic. Swat kind of steamrolled over the last few games and then wasn't challenged in the Centennial Tournament. In fact, their first game was just awful. As I have been saying all year, Cam is the guy who makes the team go and was the obvious choice as MVP of the Tournament. I see this as a final four team. They are on a roll right now and it is the best time for that to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 25, 2019, 11:01:46 AM
Interesting to see that Emerson rolled over WPI 93-75 to win the NEWMAC for the first time. Emerson's over all record was 14-11 and just 7-5 in the conference. Just goes to show you what can happen when a team get hot at tournament time.

I mention this on this board because Emerson was led by Jack O'Connor with 33 points. Jack is from my home town and played high school ball at St Georges School.  He was recruited by and attended Dickinson College his freshman year, did not play much  and then transferred to Emerson.  Guess this is one who got away.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 25, 2019, 11:09:49 AM
Swat Fan #1

Congratulations to Swarthmore once again for winning the conference title.  They were clearly the best team in the CC.  Cam Wiley is terrific and, as a Ursinus fan, I am happy that he graduates. He played great in the finals against JHU.  Swat should continue to do well and a final four berth would not surprise me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 25, 2019, 07:46:39 PM
I am kind of shocked at the talent in Swat's region. M.I.T. and Randolph-Macon are both top ten teams. Swat's second and third round games could be very tough. I believe the three of them finished 5,6, and 7 in latest rankings. Can't believe they all ended up together.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 07:51:38 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 25, 2019, 07:46:39 PM
I am kind of shocked at the talent in Swat's region. M.I.T. and Randolph-Macon are both top ten teams. Swat's second and third round games could be very tough. I believe the three of them finished 5,6, and 7 in latest rankings. Can't believe they all ended up together.

There is talent across the board in the tournament. Now second or third round game will be easy, period.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on February 26, 2019, 08:08:57 AM
swat has had a wonderful season and, i agree, is a candidate for the final four. my instinct, despite rooting for the centennial, is that they will not get that far. Should MIT and Swat win, i believe Swat will have their hands full with a team that can match up very well with them. Randolph Macon can also match up well in the paint with swat if they meet up. we shall see.It could get down to toughness, condition and whether or not a guard has a big game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2019, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: centfan on February 26, 2019, 08:08:57 AM
swat has had a wonderful season and, i agree, is a candidate for the final four. my instinct, despite rooting for the centennial, is that they will not get that far. Should MIT and Swat win, i believe Swat will have their hands full with a team that can match up very well with them. Randolph Macon can also match up well in the paint with swat if they meet up. we shall see.It could get down to toughness, condition and whether or not a guard has a big game.

A full strength MIT is favored over Swarthmore, for sure.  We just haven't seen a full-strength MIT at all this season.  I give the edge to Swat because they're clicking right now and they'll be at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 26, 2019, 02:45:20 PM
http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/All-CC (http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/All-CC)

Looks good to me. Anyone have thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 26, 2019, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on February 26, 2019, 02:45:20 PM
http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/All-CC (http://www.centennial.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/All-CC)

Looks good to me. Anyone have thoughts?


No complaints at all, really. It's a very solid list from top to bottom. The only thing I wonder (again, not questioning, or arguing, just wondering) is if the head coach at Washington, coach Goodman, got any consideration for coach of the year. Again, I'm not arguing with the choice of Kosmalski, because Swarthmore was clearly the best team in the league. But for a coach to take a team that was picked to finish second to last in the preseason and lead them to the semifinals of the conference tournament, and first playoff appearance in 7 years, I would think that would have to warrant some sort of consideration. But again, the choice of Kosmalski is a very good one. He has the makings of a dynasty at Swat and I expect they'll get past opening weekend of the tournament and then we'll see what happens once the next round comes around.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 27, 2019, 08:05:54 PM
Lol, I know as a Swat fan you probably won't believe me, but I thought the Washington Coach should have been in the discussion. He did a great job with them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 02, 2019, 08:22:49 AM
Swat and MIT both played teams that were no match for them. Their matchup might be a very good game. Go Centennial!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 02, 2019, 07:32:29 PM
Swat opens game against M.I.T. shooting 15-16 including 6-6 3 pointers. They lead 39-17 at 9:42 mark 1st half!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 02, 2019, 07:45:25 PM
Swat 22-24 shooting and leads 60-43 with two minutes left in first half. I have never seen shooting like this before.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 02, 2019, 07:52:49 PM
Swat shoots 24-27 in the first half and 10-10 from 3. Only player to miss a shot was their MVP Cam. Every other players hasn't missed a shot! Swat up 68-43 at halftime! Best shooting I have ever seen. Swat has missed more free throws than shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 02, 2019, 08:51:34 PM
105-65 final against a really good M.I.T. team. I am stunned.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on March 03, 2019, 09:49:13 AM
Wow SWAT! Watched this game and was blown away. That's basketball. This coach will be a D1 HC if he wants. What he's done is amazing- players deserve much credit too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 03, 2019, 12:08:06 PM
Unbelievable performance by the Garnet. They have peaked at the right time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ClassyOwl83 on March 05, 2019, 03:18:25 PM
Kosmalski is the BEST. Extreme attention to detail!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 05, 2019, 04:30:09 PM
He also has the horses.  Must be a really good recruiter.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 14, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
Congrats to Cam Wiley as he was named First Team All American!

Good Luck to Swarthmore as they play their first game Friday night at 6:00pm! I think they have a real chance to win the National Championship.

But the real question is: Does coach stay or go?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 14, 2019, 03:04:43 PM
Swat Fan #1

Agree that Coach Kosmalski could move on. However----- he has most of his talented team returning next year which might be a reason for another year at Swat.  I think it would take a very good D-1 offer to pry him loose.

How about Coach Robinson?  Will he retire?  Think other CC coaches will remain in place.

Congratulations to Cam Wiley for many deserved honors.  The young man carries himself like a class act.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 14, 2019, 05:00:44 PM

Bob McKillop at Davidson is 68.  I imagine that job will be open at some point in the near future and would be pretty tempting.  Not sure why you'd want to give up what you've got at Swarthmore, though - only losing one player for next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: njf1003 on March 15, 2019, 11:16:37 PM
Congrats Swat!
Take home the Natty tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 16, 2019, 08:04:31 AM
amazing Swat season...one more
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 16, 2019, 09:16:25 AM
Tremendous year for Garnet. I am not sure if this is significant but SWAT has only lost to CC teams and beaten all other foes. Show them how it is done in the Centennial.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2019, 09:52:57 AM
Here's hoping Swat wins it for the MidAtlantic. The last time a MidAtlantic team got to the final against a WIAC team; they were up 18 with 12 mins to go and lost by 3. Yes it's still somewhat irksome today.  :-\

It's also been 18 years since an M A team won it all.

GO GARNET!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 16, 2019, 06:53:18 PM
Love All The Love For Swat!
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 16, 2019, 10:57:24 PM
Tough way to end the season, but a great season for The Garnet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 18, 2019, 08:10:10 AM
great season for swat...so tough to go that far and lose in the championship. congrats to coach and all the players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 18, 2019, 10:45:06 AM
I add my congratulations to the Garnet for a terrific season.  I would not be surprised to see them back in the finals again next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2019, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 14, 2019, 03:04:43 PM
Swat Fan #1

Agree that Coach Kosmalski could move on. However----- he has most of his talented team returning next year which might be a reason for another year at Swat.  I think it would take a very good D-1 offer to pry him loose.

How about Coach Robinson?  Will he retire?  Think other CC coaches will remain in place.

Congratulations to Cam Wiley for many deserved honors.  The young man carries himself like a class act.

To be honest, I think Kosmalski is content where he is right now. His name was popping up a lot in previous coaching change off seasons, but last year his name popped up once - and it was because a national firm was basically calling everyone for the WashU job. Otherwise, his name NOT being mentioned for a lot of good jobs was more noteworthy.

Sure, taking the team to the national title game can change things, but I am not sure it will. Kosmalski apparently got a good contract extension 18 months ago (if rumors are true) and I don't know if the push to go to D1 is that strong anymore. Furthermore, this Swat team is loaded for next season - only losing Wiley.

As for the rest of the conference ... I don't see any reason for there to be any other coaching changes on the men's (women's side: the McDaniel job will most likely be open). I always worry at McDaniel about Curley, but I also get the sense they are happy with the efforts that program has been making of late. Otherwise, I am not sure what jobs would be open and why.

Per Wiley - that young man and come a long way and really grown as an individual. He should be applauded for whom he has become.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BasketballHoops91 on March 21, 2019, 04:43:12 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 14, 2019, 03:04:43 PM
Swat Fan #1

Agree that Coach Kosmalski could move on. However----- he has most of his talented team returning next year which might be a reason for another year at Swat.  I think it would take a very good D-1 offer to pry him loose.

How about Coach Robinson?  Will he retire?  Think other CC coaches will remain in place.

Congratulations to Cam Wiley for many deserved honors.  The young man carries himself like a class act.

Great season Swat!  Congrats to Coach K!  Congrats to Wiley as well.  From what I know, great young man.  You should see some of the videos he made for the NCAA during the tournament.  They are posted on Twitter.  Represented himself, his teammates, his coaches and his school very well.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 15, 2019, 02:42:59 PM
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-17-swarthmores-landry-kosmalski/id1451996810?i=1000434841534

A podcast interview with Swarthmore Coach Kosmalski definitely worth listening to. Doesn't sound like he wants to go anywhere else.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warriors on July 08, 2019, 12:04:12 PM
Understand it is a bit early but any buzz about the teams for the upcoming year?

Any decent recruiting classes?

Favorites likely Swarthmore/Hopkins/F&M?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dbutdorf on July 09, 2019, 07:08:28 AM
Gettysburg has a very talented and large recruiting class coming in.  First recruiting class for Coach Dunne.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 09, 2019, 10:01:15 PM
Quote from: Warriors on July 08, 2019, 12:04:12 PM
Understand it is a bit early but any buzz about the teams for the upcoming year?

Any decent recruiting classes?

Favorites likely Swarthmore/Hopkins/F&M?

I saw some names for Swat and F&M back in March, but I think they were still recruits at that point.  I got a lot more incoming freshman tips last year when we were doing that silly 1,000 round mega-draft.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warriors on July 10, 2019, 09:19:42 AM
1,000 round mega draft?!?  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 10, 2019, 10:06:04 AM
Quote from: Warriors on July 10, 2019, 09:19:42 AM
1,000 round mega draft?!?  :o

In the Multi-Region section, there's a fantasy game area - last year someone had the bright idea to just draft hundreds of players and play a gigantic d3 fantasy basketball game.  It was crazy, but we spent the whole summer picking players and pickings were getting slim by the end, so people were offering incoming freshmen names.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on July 12, 2019, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: Warriors on July 08, 2019, 12:04:12 PM
Understand it is a bit early but any buzz about the teams for the upcoming year?

Any decent recruiting classes?

Favorites likely Swarthmore/Hopkins/F&M?

Even without considering incoming recruits, Swat is clearly the favorite to repeat as CC champion.  After that, take a look at the final standings from last year and expect the contenders for the other four playoff spots to be JHU, Ursinus, WC, F&M, Muhlenberg and Dickinson.  McDaniel, Haverford, and Gettysburg will play the role of spoilers and might surprise us. Once again, I believe the CC will be a dog fight for the playoff spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on September 27, 2019, 09:35:12 PM
I see the Gettysburg website has posted their schedule. Sad to see they have went the route of try and get some "easy" games and dropped the stiffer opponents. It looks like their first few games are against teams that had maybe 10 wins combined. They dropped York, a great local rivalry game, but they did pick up PSU Berks🤦🏻‍♂️  Haven't seen a schedule done like this in about 29 years!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on September 29, 2019, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: CC Fan on September 27, 2019, 09:35:12 PM
I see the Gettysburg website has posted their schedule. Sad to see they have went the route of try and get some "easy" games and dropped the stiffer opponents. It looks like their first few games are against teams that had maybe 10 wins combined. They dropped York, a great local rivalry game, but they did pick up PSU Berks🤦🏻‍♂️  Haven't seen a schedule done like this in about 29 years!

Of the 6 non-conference games currently on the schedule (assuming the Mount St. Mary's game doesn't officially count as one of the 25), 4 out of the 6 teams won more games than the Bullets did last year. W&L by themselves won 18 games in a difficult league last year, and 4 out of the 6 were in double digits in total wins. My guess would also be that when they post the final two teams involved in the season opening tournament, those teams will also be quality. For a head coach in his second season with a team that he's still trying to mold, that's a very solid schedule. Some quality tests on there with a chance to build some confidence into a young team as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CC Fan on October 02, 2019, 03:50:31 PM
I have no issues with W&L. But starting off the season with a 4 win team, then possibly an 8 win team or Wilson, and I realize Wilson had 14 wins, but probably a bottom 2-3 conference in Division 3. And then follow that up with a 3 win Berks team and a sub 500 Del Val🤔  Not sure that is going to prepare them for their next 4 games, F&M, at Juniata, at Hopkins, at SWAT! Then a 2 1/2 week break.
I don't disagree with having a game or 2 to gain a rhythm and confidence, but you also need to prepare for the reality that is to come. And I understand he is trying to get his system in and acclimate 10 plus freshmen, but keeping a York in there would have been nice. But maybe it will work out in the end, who knows. I just hope they play a little defense this year! With what looks like a philosophy of shooting tons of 3's and who cares if they go in, you better be able to get some stops. Shooting 31% from 3 and giving up 77 ppg  is not a great combination!
Can't wait for  basketball to get started so the Bullets can prove me wrong! Go Bullets!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 12, 2019, 11:02:15 AM
Former Ursinus Associate HBC Keith Hack has been named as the new HBC at Medaille College.  Congratulations to Coach Hack, a well deserved opportunity.  Loss of Keith amounts to a double hit as Justin Klingman left for Catholic University last summer. Also well deserved.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:21:15 PM
This page is silent considering today's big news: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2019/10/preseason-mens-top-25
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on October 29, 2019, 04:51:37 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:21:15 PM
This page is silent considering today's big news: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2019/10/preseason-mens-top-25

Was waiting for someone else to chime in, but I suppose I'll go ahead with it then

Good for the Garnet, and good for the Centennial Conference as a whole as well. I thought the Garnet would be in the top 5, but was surprised to see them be #1 and was even more surprised to see how many first place votes they have.

Although, after thinking about it, it makes sense. The Garnet return the most out of the teams at the top of the poll. Yes, losing Cam Wiley is obviously huge, but at the end of the day, he is the only player gone off of a team that made it all the way to the title game. The core of bigs on the inside is outstanding and there's shooters a plenty on the perimeter. I think Sallah can step into the Wiley role nicely, he showed flashes of doing so in spurts last year; not saying he will replace Wiley, because it's hard to replace that; but if he can step in as a starter and be valuable, with the rest of that corps that returns, there's no reason why the Garnet can't be near the top again.

Obviously, the only poll that TRULY matters is the final one in March, but, this is a big day, not only for Swat but for the conference as a whole.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warriors on October 29, 2019, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on October 29, 2019, 04:51:37 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:21:15 PM
This page is silent considering today's big news: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2019/10/preseason-mens-top-25

Was waiting for someone else to chime in, but I suppose I'll go ahead with it then

Good for the Garnet, and good for the Centennial Conference as a whole as well. I thought the Garnet would be in the top 5, but was surprised to see them be #1 and was even more surprised to see how many first place votes they have.

Although, after thinking about it, it makes sense. The Garnet return the most out of the teams at the top of the poll. Yes, losing Cam Wiley is obviously huge, but at the end of the day, he is the only player gone off of a team that made it all the way to the title game. The core of bigs on the inside is outstanding and there's shooters a plenty on the perimeter. I think Sallah can step into the Wiley role nicely, he showed flashes of doing so in spurts last year; not saying he will replace Wiley, because it's hard to replace that; but if he can step in as a starter and be valuable, with the rest of that corps that returns, there's no reason why the Garnet can't be near the top again.

Obviously, the only poll that TRULY matters is the final one in March, but, this is a big day, not only for Swat but for the conference as a whole.

That was my question...whether they could replace Wiley and this was helpful.

My bigger surprise was that no other schools received any votes which suggests the gap is very wide between Swarthmore and everyone else. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 29, 2019, 05:16:43 PM

I think Hopkins could well be a Top 25 team, but they lost so much, it's hard to give them preseason votes.  F&M is talented, too, but didn't do enough last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2019, 05:27:22 PM
First Centennial Conference team ever to get to No. 1 in the D3hoops.com Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on October 29, 2019, 05:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 29, 2019, 05:16:43 PM

I think Hopkins could well be a Top 25 team, but they lost so much, it's hard to give them preseason votes.  F&M is talented, too, but didn't do enough last year.

Initially I was surprised at Hopkins not getting any votes, but like you said, after taking a few minutes to think about what they lost, it winds up not being a great surprise. At some point in this season though, I think they'll garner votes and maybe even crack that top 25, but, not yet, not until we see what this unit can do.

Wouldn't even be surprised to see the Blue Jays pick off the Garnet during one of their two CC matchups, to be honest. Those teams match up with each other pretty well, and they'll face off in the 9th game of the season on December 10th, so both teams should have a good idea of what they've got by then.

Speaking of, Swat put together a schedule in which they don't leave the state of PA to play a game until January 5th, in their 11th game. That will be their only non-conference game out of the state all season, and they only have 4 in total because they have their CC road trips to Maryland to play JHU, McDaniel, and WAC. What a schedule that is.

Also shows the quality of teams in PA that they have on the schedule too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on October 29, 2019, 05:54:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2019, 05:27:22 PM
First Centennial Conference team ever to get to No. 1 in the D3hoops.com Top 25.

Was pretty sure this was the case, but thanks as always for the confirmation

After spending 15 years watching basketball in this league since my early teenage years, still feels odd to see a team from the CC sitting atop the D3 landscape, even if it is the preseason poll and things haven't officially tipped off yet

I also remember just a handful of years ago, when Swat would come to town (won't give my town away, of course  :)) and it would be an even matchup or a game you felt really confident that you could watch your team win. What Coach Kosmalski has done up at Swat in a handful of years is outstanding.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 30, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2019-20/preseason?fbclid=IwAR0pXVu4wvp2CYAiPzZViFelQj-Z1U6OO5tGqOjR4DBTeh9Di6asz6hyWS4 (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2019-20/preseason?fbclid=IwAR0pXVu4wvp2CYAiPzZViFelQj-Z1U6OO5tGqOjR4DBTeh9Di6asz6hyWS4)

I guess there isn't much more I can say, but even I was surprised they were picked #1. I thought top ten or even five, but that was a nice surprise. I will tell you the Swat community is all abuzz about it. Coach K. seems to have another great group of newbies and I think George Visconti (a Sophomore) will have a break-out year. But, look for the Bigs to dominate this year. Those are some big men in the paint with skills. I don't see Swat going undefeated in League play, but it will take a huge effort to upset them. It will take three shooters who are hot to beat them. On another note, losing CW is a bigger deal than most think it is. He was the go to guy in tough situations. Someone will have to step up this year, but losing a First Team All American is a big deal.

Throw up the ball and let's go!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2019, 10:03:07 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on October 30, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2019-20/preseason?fbclid=IwAR0pXVu4wvp2CYAiPzZViFelQj-Z1U6OO5tGqOjR4DBTeh9Di6asz6hyWS4 (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2019-20/preseason?fbclid=IwAR0pXVu4wvp2CYAiPzZViFelQj-Z1U6OO5tGqOjR4DBTeh9Di6asz6hyWS4)

I guess there isn't much more I can say, but even I was surprised they were picked #1. I thought top ten or even five, but that was a nice surprise. I will tell you the Swat community is all abuzz about it. Coach K. seems to have another great group of newbies and I think George Visconti (a Sophomore) will have a break-out year. But, look for the Bigs to dominate this year. Those are some big men in the paint with skills. I don't see Swat going undefeated in League play, but it will take a huge effort to upset them. It will take three shooters who are hot to beat them. On another note, losing CW is a bigger deal than most think it is. He was the go to guy in tough situations. Someone will have to step up this year, but losing a First Team All American is a big deal.

Throw up the ball and let's go!

I thought Cam played the best game of his career in that National Semifinal.  Under the brightest lights, he stepped up and got them to the title game.  That leadership will certainly be missed, but hopefully the experience in Ft. Wayne helps the other guys take on that mantle.  I'm a little concerned about the schedule - very few real national caliber tests - but I guess that's where preparation comes in.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nyhoopstalk on November 05, 2019, 08:50:34 AM
Interesting to see the different point of view of the Centennial coaches and the national poll voters. Swarthmore is ranked #1 in the country; yet a team not even receiving votes in the national poll (Johns Hopkins) receives 1st place votes in their very own conference. Judging by Hopkins' performance against Division 1 Loyola, you must think the Centennial coaches have a good idea how good both teams can be this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 05, 2019, 09:47:52 AM
Quote from: nyhoopstalk on November 05, 2019, 08:50:34 AM
Interesting to see the different point of view of the Centennial coaches and the national poll voters. Swarthmore is ranked #1 in the country; yet a team not even receiving votes in the national poll (Johns Hopkins) receives 1st place votes in their very own conference. Judging by Hopkins' performance against Division 1 Loyola, you must think the Centennial coaches have a good idea how good both teams can be this year.

Centennial lets more than just coaches vote (is it the SIDs, also?) - so all the coaches might've voted for Swat.  We just don't know.

That being said, JHU has a great coach and a terrific system in place - they've reached a point where it doesn't matter what they lose, they'll always be in the mix.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on November 05, 2019, 10:16:51 AM
Congratulations to Coach Robinson on his retirement! Shocking that it comes so close to the season beginning, but it sounds like the right move for him and his family.

https://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2019-20/releases/20191104v3nw9h
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 05, 2019, 10:42:45 AM
I'll give a few snapshot great memories that highlight GRobs legendary tenure.

1. Victory over Jersey City State in 1979 to go to 1st Final Four with Donny Marsh against North Park legendary team.

2. 1991 when Dips lost to UW Platteville in tough Final Championship game. After winning semifinal by 50+ when said to be an underdog, and having about a 25-0 unanswered run to get to Final.

3. 1996 E8 game vs, Wilkes with both teams something like 28 and 1. Dips won to go to Salem.

4, 2008-9 run to Final 4 when the great Georgio Milligan came aboard a young team as a freshman and led Dips to Robinsons last (5th) Final 4.

Plus too many other exciting moments to mention over my 40+ years as an alum and fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 05, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on November 05, 2019, 10:16:51 AM
Congratulations to Coach Robinson on his retirement! Shocking that it comes so close to the season beginning, but it sounds like the right move for him and his family.

https://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2019-20/releases/20191104v3nw9h

Wow - Not only is this shocking, but the timing is really head-scratching. One of the all time greats and just a good guy. I hope his health is ok. I wrote him a note a year or two ago hoping his health improved and that the league wasn't the same without him. To my surprise, I got a really nice long note back from him. Enjoy retirement coach (at least from basketball). You have earned it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 09, 2019, 08:21:33 AM
With the postponing of the F&M - York season opener, hoping that it has nothing to do with Coach Robinson's health... I saw nothing but the postponement statement on the F&M site....
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warriors on November 09, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 09, 2019, 08:21:33 AM
With the postponing of the F&M - York season opener, hoping that it has nothing to do with Coach Robinson's health... I saw nothing but the postponement statement on the F&M site....

Did not see that.  Seems very unusual...no other insight from anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Warriors on November 09, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
Student protest of offensive Halloween costumes forced shut down.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/11/student-protest-forces-postponement-of-basketball-game-at-franklin-and-marshall-college.html

You can't make this stuff up.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2019, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: Warriors on November 09, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
Student protest of offensive Halloween costumes forced shut down.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/11/student-protest-forces-postponement-of-basketball-game-at-franklin-and-marshall-college.html

You can't make this stuff up.

There is a clip on the internet of the protest leader making a statement on the court. Surreal.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 09, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
If anyone is watching JHU v CNU and  has access to radio guys, let them know Urbach is a transfer from JMU.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on November 15, 2019, 07:35:42 PM
Who is to Blame?

I have just been notified by Franklin & Mashall Alumni '04 Jackiem Wright (2nd in scoring that season) about the protest which prohibited the game from taking place. I want to go on record that (1) I am a giant advocate of peaceful protest and (2) I am NOT a fan of racism nor any hate speach. Having said that, my close and personal friend "reserved seat" left his vacation on the sunny shores of Sea Island Georgia early to catch the home opener. It's not fair to the fans and players who sacrifice so much to attend and play in the game.

Solution: Once again Hank a person of superior intellect has the answer. I will personally reach out to each school and talk to the dean of students to put this plan into action. It is my belief that if people want to protest they have to notify me a bare minimum of 24 hours before the game starts.

Example: Caroline and Kevin from McDaniel want to protest on the basis of inappropriate rhetoric which was said at a gathering of friends during a sporting event which she is in her constitutional right to do. She notifies me that she is planning a peaceful protest when the Fords come to town. My compromise is Caroline and Kevin have the right to protest during layup lines and half time. During the game they can protest as long as the ball is on the opposite side of the court. This was everybody still has their first amendment right and I can watch Mike Rice Jr. go for 30!

God Speed-

Hank
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2019, 04:41:46 PM
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And what do some of the gurus of D3 basketball think about the start so far and the season ahead? Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott join Dave for the first Top 25 Double-Take.

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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2019, 03:57:39 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on November 21, 2019, 07:58:30 PM
Mules Point Guard Matt Ganias suspended for 2games for "juuling on team bus". Not sure what that means if anybody can decipher that would be great.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 21, 2019, 10:07:27 PM
I think it is vaping (juul)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 22, 2019, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on November 21, 2019, 10:07:27 PM
I think it is vaping (juul)

It is.......................now, what was the substance (as the kids tell me many things can be vaped).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on November 22, 2019, 05:46:57 PM
In other news, the Mules are off to a good start.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 23, 2019, 01:06:52 AM
Despite what others say (based on unknown information), Matt Gnias will start on Saturday for Muhlenberg. That is what Coach Kevin Hopkins has told me. Directly.

Also, the indication that Gnias has been suspended for two games because he was "juuling on the team bus" is, to quote Hopkins, "a 100% false statement."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 23, 2019, 10:21:15 AM
That easy to start a rumor?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 23, 2019, 12:20:00 PM
I'd say so.

Doesn't Hannity do that for a living?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 24, 2019, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 23, 2019, 12:20:00 PM
I'd say so.

Doesn't Hannity do that for a living?

Yes, yes he does. As does Morning Joe, Lemon, Maddow, et al. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 24, 2019, 10:48:28 AM

True on all counts.

Where have you gone Walter Cronkite???
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2019, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 24, 2019, 10:48:28 AM

True on all counts.

Where have you gone Walter Cronkite???

The Cronkites of the world still exist ... people just keep conflating them with the Hannitys of the world.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 24, 2019, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2019, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 24, 2019, 10:48:28 AM

True on all counts.

Where have you gone Walter Cronkite???

The Cronkites of the world still exist ... people just keep conflating them with the Hannitys of the world.

Come on, Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon put Walter Cronkite to shame with their intellect and fair and balanced reporting (I knew Lemon back in his days in Philly.............I could write a book). :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on November 25, 2019, 03:01:29 PM
When does an updated poll come out? Other than Swat do you think any CC teams get votes? Seems like JHU should get a few.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: McBuckets on November 25, 2019, 03:01:29 PM
When does an updated poll come out? Other than Swat do you think any CC teams get votes? Seems like JHU should get a few.

It'll be out tonight.  Deadline is in a few hours.  I suspect JHU will be close, if not ranked.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2019, 05:34:34 PM
First regular season poll, sometimes it is tough to get everyone back in the swing of voting. Not at 25 ballots yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on November 25, 2019, 06:30:18 PM
JHU has looked great so far and that win over Newport should do enough to get them ranked, but the first regular season ballot is always a crapshoot because there's a LOT of movement. If not ranked, they'll be close.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on November 25, 2019, 06:31:56 PM
And of course, the new poll comes out JUST as I posted this!

JHU checks in at 22, Swat even more of a stranglehold on #1 with 23 of 25 first place votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on November 26, 2019, 06:15:04 PM
Predictions for Tonight:

Swarthmore

Gettysburg

Muhlenberg

Ursinus

Hopkins

First conference game so we may learn something. I'm sure I will!


Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on November 28, 2019, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: McBuckets on November 26, 2019, 06:15:04 PM
Predictions for Tonight:

Swarthmore

Gettysburg

Muhlenberg

Ursinus

Hopkins

First conference game so we may learn something. I'm sure I will!

Here is what I learned:

1.  Haverford is better than I expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on November 30, 2019, 07:15:33 AM
2. Washington is scrappy!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on November 30, 2019, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: BeRightOn on November 30, 2019, 07:15:33 AM
2. Washington is scrappy!

So scrappy they lost by 34 today.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 02, 2019, 09:19:04 AM
It's cute to see the brand new children (BeRightOn and McBuckets) battle it out and mock each other (McBuckets actually did the mocking). I sense neither played past about 5th grade. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on December 02, 2019, 12:52:06 PM
Conference play this week in full swing.  Here are my picks and I this week will help sort some things out:

1. Swarthmore over Ursinus.  Should be a great game and although undefeated the Garnet have yet to put it all together for 40 minutes.
2. McDaniel over Dickinson.  Could be a very tough year for the Red Devils.
3. Muhlenberg over Washington College.  A lot of discussion re Muhlenberg on Hoopsville as to their legitimacy.  Should be a good test but Washington had some inconsistent performances.
4. Haverford over F/M.  Deliberate F/M style no match.
5. Hopkins over Gettysburg.  Should be an interesting game as JHU with Delaney and Quarry have been on fire.  First real test for the Bullets.

No real upsets as is early in year.  Only home winner is JHU.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 03, 2019, 01:17:12 PM
That's mighty condescending of you jmclozenlaw. I didn't know experience beyond the 5th grade was required to offer an opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 03, 2019, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: BeRightOn on December 03, 2019, 01:17:12 PM
That's mighty condescending of you jmclozenlaw. I didn't know experience beyond the 5th grade was required to offer an opinion.

Yet McBuckets comment to your post was not?????? Yeesh!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 03, 2019, 02:14:31 PM
jmcozenlaw: I never wrote anything about McBuckets' snarky comment, nor did I compare his behavior to yours. I only commented that you were condescending. I stand by that. You were. Just because McBuckets was the first to be an ass doesn't make you any less of one.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 03, 2019, 02:18:31 PM
So let's get back to basketball.
In keeping with our theme, here's McBuckets' #3 pick for this week:

3. Muhlenberg over Washington College.  A lot of discussion re Muhlenberg on Hoopsville as to their legitimacy.  Should be a good test but Washington had some inconsistent performances.

I completely agree! Which Washington College team will show up? The scrappy vs Swarthmore version? Or the roll-over to Chicago?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2019, 08:39:48 PM

Gettysburg is the CC team with the real impressive resume thus far, to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 03, 2019, 08:47:18 PM
I recall when Gettysburg Coach Dunne first started at Vassar. He was the youngest head coach in all of college basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 03, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2019, 08:39:48 PM

Gettysburg is the CC team with the real impressive resume thus far, to me.

Agree 100%. He's got year 2 of his system and a bunch of young guys in place to pick up on it and results are showing.

Muhlenberg at 7-0 has been impressive as well. We'll see if they can keep the momentum up.

Gettysburg/JHU tomorrow night, should tell us a lot about both
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on December 03, 2019, 11:41:36 PM
BeRightOn:

I can tell we will get along just fine. I meant no offense.

Btw, I agree that WC is scrappy give me some insight as to the ups and downs for the squad.

How do you feel about Haverford?

Should be a fun CC week.

McB
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2019, 06:31:48 AM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on December 03, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2019, 08:39:48 PM

Gettysburg is the CC team with the real impressive resume thus far, to me.

Agree 100%. He's got year 2 of his system and a bunch of young guys in place to pick up on it and results are showing.

Muhlenberg at 7-0 has been impressive as well. We'll see if they can keep the momentum up.

Gettysburg/JHU tomorrow night, should tell us a lot about both

Didn't mean to demean Muhl, just that Gettysburg's schedule seems a mite tougher thus far.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 04, 2019, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on December 03, 2019, 02:14:31 PM
jmcozenlaw: I never wrote anything about McBuckets' snarky comment, nor did I compare his behavior to yours. I only commented that you were condescending. I stand by that. You were. Just because McBuckets was the first to be an ass doesn't make you any less of one.

I'll take a tad bit condescending (with superior knowledge of the game as well)....................to being an "ass" as you described the other newbie to the board. Enjoy the season BeRightOn!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on December 04, 2019, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2019, 06:31:48 AM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on December 03, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2019, 08:39:48 PM

Gettysburg is the CC team with the real impressive resume thus far, to me.

Agree 100%. He's got year 2 of his system and a bunch of young guys in place to pick up on it and results are showing.

Muhlenberg at 7-0 has been impressive as well. We'll see if they can keep the momentum up.

Gettysburg/JHU tomorrow night, should tell us a lot about both

Didn't mean to demean Muhl, just that Gettysburg's schedule seems a mite tougher thus far.

Ryan, it will be interesting to see how the Mules big man plays against conference teams.  He could be a real difference maker.  They have strong guard play already.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 05, 2019, 06:26:34 PM
Swarthmore got all they could handle from the Ursinus last night, but I think the Garnet will have to get used to that. Coming off that title game appearance last year and having that #1 next to their name means that they are going to get EVERYONE'S best shot this season. We saw it last night with Ursinus (who also is a good team with shooters everywhere) and we saw it last week with WAC (who led for the first 25 minutes before a big run from Swat did them in after being handled by Swat 3 times last year) and that's a trend that will probably continue all year. Scary to think that they keep on winning while trying to figure out a permanent solution at PG following Wiley's departure.

Elsewhere, even in a loss Gettysburg showed last night that their hot start to the early season isn't a fluke. Looks like Coach Dunne has them heading back in the right direction after a down couple of years. As for the Blue Jays, good test for them and a good win at home. That first matchup with Swat can't come fast enough.

Muhlenberg, well, they caught fire from three point range (not a surprise; it's what they do after all) and got the win over a scrappy WAC team as a result. If they keep hitting those shots, they'll be a tough matchup for anyone in this league. A showdown with Johns Hopkins at home looms on Saturday. That's the matchup of the weekend for sure, although Gettysburg/Swat should be a doozie too. As for WAC, well, they gave up quite a few open looks last night, which is something they'll need to tighten up if they want to be back in the playoff picture again this year. They've got an intriguing matchup at home against F&M on Saturday.

Speaking of F&M, something is a miss with the Diplomats so far this year. Haverford beat them last night in Lancaster by 16 for the first time since 1977. And yes, I think Haverford is dramatically improved this year (which is funny to think, considering they graduated such a dynamic player like Scibelli and the pieces he had around him too), but something doesn't look right in Lancaster so far.

And then there's Dickinson, which got a MUCH needed win over McDaniel. Both of these teams have lots of questions so far this year that need to be answered, but luckily, there's still 16 conference games to go.



Saturday's schedule looks great. Gettysburg/Swarthmore, JHU/Muhlenberg, Haverford/Dickinson (eyeballs should be open if the Fords win that one on the road to get to 3-0 in the CC), F&M/WAC (a pair of playoff teams from a season ago, both in search of a much needed CC win; keep an eye on this one), and Ursinus hosting McDaniel. Good day for CC basketball!

Wow, this post was longer than I thought it would be. Sorry for rambling, guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 06, 2019, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on December 05, 2019, 06:26:34 PM
a scrappy WAC team

Excellent summary; not a ramble! And I'm gratified we chose the same adjective to describe WAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on December 08, 2019, 08:53:13 AM
Was finally able to take in a Swat game live this year as they played Gettysburg yesterday.  Boy did they put on a clinic.  They looked great for 40 minutes and dominated the game.  They shared the ball well, had excellent shot selection and crashed the boards. Quite a performance.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 08, 2019, 09:51:48 AM
Indeed. And their best scorer (Visconti) was unavailable for the second straight game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 09, 2019, 11:54:32 PM
congrats to the Fords....keep on rolling!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 11, 2019, 05:22:34 PM
Fantastic game last night between Swat and JH. It had the intensity of a NCAA Tournament game. Long stretches where each team couldn't buy a bucket but they both played hard the entire game. Swat is a fantastic team but I still think they are searching for a true point guard. They are playing full court and are deeper than last year. JH is a very good team and will make noise in the league. That #1 on their back will make every team play them much harder this year but will be good come tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2019, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on December 11, 2019, 05:22:34 PM
Fantastic game last night between Swat and JH. It had the intensity of a NCAA Tournament game. Long stretches where each team couldn't buy a bucket but they both played hard the entire game. Swat is a fantastic team but I still think they are searching for a true point guard. They are playing full court and are deeper than last year. JH is a very good team and will make noise in the league. That #1 on their back will make every team play them much harder this year but will be good come tournament time.

Their PG is sitting on the bench in street clothes with his elbow wrapped up.  Hopefully not for too long, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: BeRightOn on December 12, 2019, 06:25:05 PM
Point guard by committee is Swat's destiny this year. I like that no one person has to fill Cam's shoes. They miss Sallah with the elbow injury as Ryan says. Even when he's back though, Ingram will be the reliable and effective floor general, the freshman DeAngelo will get more consistent, and Visconti will handle the rock in the guts of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on December 13, 2019, 10:08:47 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on December 12, 2019, 06:25:05 PM
Point guard by committee is Swat's destiny this year. I like that no one person has to fill Cam's shoes. They miss Sallah with the elbow injury as Ryan says. Even when he's back though, Ingram will be the reliable and effective floor general, the freshman DeAngelo will get more consistent, and Visconti will handle the rock in the guts of the game.

Sallah is not nearly the scorer Cam was, so I wonder who will be the go to guy when they really need a bucket. Having said that, they are so big and disciplined that it will be a battle to beat them. Some of the perimeter players are not having as big a season due to not having Cam's penetration and kick out. I will say that wearing a Swat Hoops shirt now brings discussion in public as the basketball community knows how good they are. What is also funny is that anyone who knows anything about Swarthmore College always brings up the fact that Obama didn't get in there. Somehow, Hoops and Obama always go hand in hand when talking about Swat. =)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2019, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on December 13, 2019, 10:08:47 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on December 12, 2019, 06:25:05 PM
Point guard by committee is Swat's destiny this year. I like that no one person has to fill Cam's shoes. They miss Sallah with the elbow injury as Ryan says. Even when he's back though, Ingram will be the reliable and effective floor general, the freshman DeAngelo will get more consistent, and Visconti will handle the rock in the guts of the game.

Sallah is not nearly the scorer Cam was, so I wonder who will be the go to guy when they really need a bucket. Having said that, they are so big and disciplined that it will be a battle to beat them. Some of the perimeter players are not having as big a season due to not having Cam's penetration and kick out. I will say that wearing a Swat Hoops shirt now brings discussion in public as the basketball community knows how good they are. What is also funny is that anyone who knows anything about Swarthmore College always brings up the fact that Obama didn't get in there. Somehow, Hoops and Obama always go hand in hand when talking about Swat. =)

It seems pretty clear so far that Visconti will have the ball in his hands at the end of games.  In many ways, a pass-first PG is a great fit for the system they run, which is all based on passing and movement.  It's not like they're lacking for scorers.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2019, 01:24:03 PM
Sallah not being the scorer Cam is I think is fine. Sometimes Cam's ability to score took away from what they were trying to accomplish. There were times one would be yelling "nooooo" just as he scored and others when "noooo" was followed by a shake of the head. I liked the way Cam played most of the time, but it took him a number of years to fully buy in ... and even then they would have him on the bench for key points of the game because he was being a little too selfish (he wasn't selfish, just moments of that style).

I thought Sallah showed in the final four especially that he can be a weapon and he can score when needed or when defenses slack off of him. That will be an important key for Swat ... when he gets back.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 17, 2019, 06:25:40 PM
historically sallah's scoring and shooting percentage numbers are not strong, including his free throw percentage. we shall see whether or not a scoring point guard is needed for swat. i think it is tough to win it all without a strong point guard who can score and distribute. we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2019, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: centfan on December 17, 2019, 06:25:40 PM
historically sallah's scoring and shooting percentage numbers are not strong, including his free throw percentage. we shall see whether or not a scoring point guard is needed for swat. i think it is tough to win it all without a strong point guard who can score and distribute. we shall see.

I've seen teams win it all with PGs who can distribute and score just as easily making them a challenge. I have also seen teams with a PG who barely even takes a shot and just focuses on getting his team in the best position. It depends so much on the coach, the scheme, and the players around them. There are many ways to skin a cat. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on December 18, 2019, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2019, 02:23:43 PM


I've seen teams win it all with PGs who can distribute and score just as easily making them a challenge. I have also seen teams with a PG who barely even takes a shot and just focuses on getting his team in the best position. It depends so much on the coach, the scheme, and the players around them. There are many ways to skin a cat. :)
i agree that it is possible to win with a non scoring/shooting point guard. but i prefer one who can shoot/score/break down the defense and distribute.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 02, 2020, 10:18:42 PM
Fantastic game between two top programs and top coaches. It was a nail biter right up until the final whistle. Coach F had his team ready to play Swat. The game was incredibly intense and fun to watch. Swat's new press breaker is fun to watch. Catch it if you can sometime. Nice way to start the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 10, 2020, 03:47:53 PM
What a first night back into conference play! I would love to hear some thoughts on the Bears/Bullets (Battlestar Galactica) game. Looks like the Bullets came out gunning (fun with puns!) and Ursinus responded too late to get back into it. Rest of the league shook out as expected- if you can count Haverford being 5-0 as expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 10, 2020, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on January 10, 2020, 03:47:53 PM
What a first night back into conference play! I would love to hear some thoughts on the Bears/Bullets (Battlestar Galactica) game. Looks like the Bullets came out gunning (fun with puns!) and Ursinus responded too late to get back into it. Rest of the league shook out as expected- if you can count Haverford being 5-0 as expected.

Honestly thought Ursinus would win that game, so a little surprised that Gettysburg got up by as much as they did. Young team that's buying into a second year head coaches program and it's clearly working out. I still think Ursinus is fine, and they have the talent to string together a bunch of wins.

As for Haverford....yeah, 5-0 is a surprise for sure. I thought they would take a step back after Scibelli graduated, but the exact opposite has happened.

Also, Dickinson......man, how things have changed in Carlisle in a short time
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 11, 2020, 08:16:05 AM
swat was a surprise after a coaching change and at haverford it seems like a similar thing is happening. it takes a couple of years to establish a culture/way of playing. congrats to Coach Doherty and the Fords!!! it is nice to see swat and the fords at the top of the league for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2020, 09:44:36 AM
Swarthmore better watch out, if they keep winning too much the college will drop the sport like they did with football.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 14, 2020, 11:18:06 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2020, 09:44:36 AM
Swarthmore better watch out, if they keep winning too much the college will drop the sport like they did with football.   ;D

Now that made me laugh. Well done! You win the internet today!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 15, 2020, 11:16:31 AM
Swat is clearly the favorite tonight, particularly at home, but it will be interesting to see how the Fords do. Both teams share the ball, have great scoring distribution among the players, have good shot selection and play together without too much reliance on one or two players. Hopefully it will be a good game between two teams that were known to be in the lower part of the conference before Coach Kosmalski and Coach Doherty were hired.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on January 16, 2020, 10:27:34 PM
swat handled haverford quite easily. lots of lessons for haverford in the loss. swat shot very well, shared the ball, pretty tough in the paint. very good energy and confidence.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 29, 2020, 03:07:12 PM
Anyone have any guesses for tonight's round of games?

Hopkins over McD
Mules over Devils
Swat over Wash
Those seem rather easy to predict, I never thought I'd see the day when McDaniel tried to slow the pace of a game against Swarthmore, they used to get DUDES up in Westminster. Curley still has them playing hard but they just dont have the edge they used to. And I feel a little badly for Seretti, he had a great squad for a long time then had chances to leave but decided to stay and now admissions is really holding them back (I believe). I think Swat will win but the midweek trek down to play at Washington is always tricky. Thats a long bus ride to play in a tough environment, so be ready for some bumpy moments early?

Bullets and Dips is such a strange game, both teams seem pretty up and down. But since Gburg won by 12 on the road I am going to go with... The Dips! Because picking upsets is fun.

Haverford at Ursinus is going to be fun. Every year the Bears have a five or six-game run where they win and everyone says "here we go! Bears are real!" This is the time- win this game and they have a chance for a nice run heading into the late season. I don't think the Bears should be considered a contender but I know people are going to be jumping on the bandwagon if they win tonight!



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 29, 2020, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on January 29, 2020, 03:07:12 PM
Anyone have any guesses for tonight's round of games?

Hopkins over McD
Mules over Devils
Swat over Wash
Those seem rather easy to predict, I never thought I'd see the day when McDaniel tried to slow the pace of a game against Swarthmore, they used to get DUDES up in Westminster. Curley still has them playing hard but they just dont have the edge they used to. And I feel a little badly for Seretti, he had a great squad for a long time then had chances to leave but decided to stay and now admissions is really holding them back (I believe). I think Swat will win but the midweek trek down to play at Washington is always tricky. Thats a long bus ride to play in a tough environment, so be ready for some bumpy moments early?

Bullets and Dips is such a strange game, both teams seem pretty up and down. But since Gburg won by 12 on the road I am going to go with... The Dips! Because picking upsets is fun.

Haverford at Ursinus is going to be fun. Every year the Bears have a five or six-game run where they win and everyone says "here we go! Bears are real!" This is the time- win this game and they have a chance for a nice run heading into the late season. I don't think the Bears should be considered a contender but I know people are going to be jumping on the bandwagon if they win tonight!

Johns Hopkins should roll. McDaniel, like you said, they play hard but they just don't seem to have the horses.

Muhlenberg should win, but Bryce Allen is back and at full strength for Dickinson and that kid is an absolute game changer. Red Devils will be better as a whole the second half of the year, strictly because of him.

Gettysburg seems to be a much better home team, plus the win over F&M earlier in the season I think gives them the confidence to go through and win tonight, but that should be close.

Haverford and Ursinus, well, depends on which Ursinus team shows up, the one with all the shooters or the one that looks incredibly average? My gut says Haverford but should be close either way.

Lastly, Swarthmore should win tonight, BUT, Washington led for the first 28-30 minutes or so the first time these teams played before Thanksgiving, and WAC is playing a lot better ball now than they were back then. But, Swat couldn't hit a shot to save their lives that night either. If the Garnet have even an average shooting night, that's better than most teams. My gut says the Garnet, but don't be surprised if this game is a little bit closer than expected. Nothing more than a gut feeling on that one. If WAC can hit some shots, they've got a chance. But if the struggle from the floor, watch out.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 30, 2020, 01:24:31 PM
Well CCD3, you got me. But I think we both had a decent handle on the day's results.

I didn't realize that Bryce Allen had been out, he will definitely make Dickinson more competitive. When he and Hinckley were the guard duo that was a tough combo to beat.

Only thought on the Swat game is that refs are so inconsistent on verticality calls. I like the way WC plays, some of their off-ball cuts are really nice to open passing or driving lanes but when the guards go up into the air contact doesnt always have to be a foul. Washington's guards should try to negate height disadvantage with their speed, not with high school reffing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 31, 2020, 09:17:04 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on January 30, 2020, 01:24:31 PM
Well CCD3, you got me. But I think we both had a decent handle on the day's results.

I didn't realize that Bryce Allen had been out, he will definitely make Dickinson more competitive. When he and Hinckley were the guard duo that was a tough combo to beat.

Only thought on the Swat game is that refs are so inconsistent on verticality calls. I like the way WC plays, some of their off-ball cuts are really nice to open passing or driving lanes but when the guards go up into the air contact doesnt always have to be a foul. Washington's guards should try to negate height disadvantage with their speed, not with high school reffing.

Yeah, I agree. Looking at the stream of that game, both head coaches were hot with the refs and both actually got warned for being out of the coaches box, something that very rarely gets called. The game also played out virtually the same as the first meeting, WAC had a halftime lead, still led by 6 close to halfway through the second half, then Swat had basically one big run that swung the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2020, 02:40:44 AM
While you may not think being out of the coach's box is called .. as one who sits at many a scorer's table for basketball, it is a popular topic on the floor. Coaches are warned and sometimes a ref won't even start a conversation with a coach until he has backed himself up.

They won't call anything more than even a formal warning unless (a) the coach is flat out ignoring them and even moving further out of the box while being warned or (b) the coach is begging for something more and draws the attention of an official because they came out of the box.

They made the box bigger two years ago for a reason. Their reason was to allow coaches to communicate better to players on the far end of the floor especially in loud environments. I think they did it to keep coaches from getting in too much trouble because refs had had enough of them leaving the boxes.

Or maybe a combination ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 02, 2020, 11:48:16 PM
In my experience being warned for a coach's box violation seems like a ref saying "I dont want to give you a T but I am tired of hearing from you" or "OK I blew a call, but I dont want to hear any more about it"  ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 06, 2020, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: noonhooper on February 02, 2020, 11:48:16 PM
In my experience being warned for a coach's box violation seems like a ref saying "I dont want to give you a T but I am tired of hearing from you" or "OK I blew a call, but I dont want to hear any more about it"  ;D ;D

Sounds about right!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 06, 2020, 01:23:48 PM
Let's take a peek at tonight's games, shall we?

Johns Hopkins @ Dickinson: Having Bryce Allen back and full go definitely changes things for Dickinson, but they still don't have enough horses to run with the Blue Jays.

Franklin & Marshall @ McDaniel: I don't know what to think of either one of these teams. The Dips should be the more talented team, but they have been so inconsistent this year that it's maddening from the outside looking in. 43 points at home over the weekend to Washington, who would have thought? McDaniel, they play hard, but they just don't have the pieces to run. I think F&M wins tonight, but honestly a Green Terror win wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Muhlenberg @ Swarthmore: While the Mules aren't locked into the 4 seed by any means, being 2 games clear of 5th and 2 games out of third pretty much solidifies their position at this point. The Mules are playing good ball, but Swarthmore is a whole different animal. What concerns me about the Garnet is that, even though they keep winning, they've looked real vulnerable against a couple of recent opponents (WAC, Gettysburg, hell Ursinus had them down by 10 with 10 minutes left). At some point I keep waiting for them to slip up, but they haven't done it yet. Could the Mules do it tonight? If they take care of the ball and shoot well, they've got a chance, but I still believe the Garnet win tonight.

And now, we get to the two biggest games of the evening.....

Gettysburg @ Ursinus: Two of the three teams scrapping for the 5th and final playoff spot clash tonight in Collegeville. The Bullets have cooled off a little after a hot start, but they are still a year ahead of schedule with a second year head coach and play some real good basketball. Ursinus, man, the Bears are maddening. They have the shooters and the talent to run with anybody.....it just depends on what night you catch them on. The Bullets won the first meeting this year by 12, and I think I like Gettysburg again tonight, but this is another game where if Ursinus won, especially at home, I wouldn't be shocked.

Haverford @ Washington: Washington comes in as the third team locked into that three team tie for the 5th and final playoff spot. Haverford has been dramatically better this year than they've been in a long time and find themselves in the 3 seed, two games clear of the Mules and 2 games behind JHU, so probably locked into that 3 seed you would think. They also handled WAC in the first meeting this year. Washington, meanwhile, has gone 4-2 in their last 6 games after enduring a 1-9 stretch and, much like last season when they snuck into the playoffs, are peaking at the right time. Daniel Brown has taken the giant leap this year and the consistent senior leadership around him is paying dividends. As far as the game tonight? On paper, the Fords should win. But anything can happen in front of a loud Cain Athletic Center crowd, and WAC has had a decent amount of success at home against Haverford lately. This game, to me, is truly a toss up. If the Fords play the way they want to play, they win. If there's any sort of deviance from that, I think WAC takes it.

Either way, it's a big night of implications for that 5 seed! Also, another note on that.....Ursinus and Gettysburg both have to travel to Washington next Wednesday and Saturday. Think those games will be big?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on February 06, 2020, 03:43:50 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on February 06, 2020, 01:23:48 PM
Let's take a peek at tonight's games, shall we?

Johns Hopkins @ Dickinson: Having Bryce Allen back and full go definitely changes things for Dickinson, but they still don't have enough horses to run with the Blue Jays.

Franklin & Marshall @ McDaniel: I don't know what to think of either one of these teams. The Dips should be the more talented team, but they have been so inconsistent this year that it's maddening from the outside looking in. 43 points at home over the weekend to Washington, who would have thought? McDaniel, they play hard, but they just don't have the pieces to run. I think F&M wins tonight, but honestly a Green Terror win wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Muhlenberg @ Swarthmore: While the Mules aren't locked into the 4 seed by any means, being 2 games clear of 5th and 2 games out of third pretty much solidifies their position at this point. The Mules are playing good ball, but Swarthmore is a whole different animal. What concerns me about the Garnet is that, even though they keep winning, they've looked real vulnerable against a couple of recent opponents (WAC, Gettysburg, hell Ursinus had them down by 10 with 10 minutes left). At some point I keep waiting for them to slip up, but they haven't done it yet. Could the Mules do it tonight? If they take care of the ball and shoot well, they've got a chance, but I still believe the Garnet win tonight.

And now, we get to the two biggest games of the evening.....

Gettysburg @ Ursinus: Two of the three teams scrapping for the 5th and final playoff spot clash tonight in Collegeville. The Bullets have cooled off a little after a hot start, but they are still a year ahead of schedule with a second year head coach and play some real good basketball. Ursinus, man, the Bears are maddening. They have the shooters and the talent to run with anybody.....it just depends on what night you catch them on. The Bullets won the first meeting this year by 12, and I think I like Gettysburg again tonight, but this is another game where if Ursinus won, especially at home, I wouldn't be shocked.

Haverford @ Washington: Washington comes in as the third team locked into that three team tie for the 5th and final playoff spot. Haverford has been dramatically better this year than they've been in a long time and find themselves in the 3 seed, two games clear of the Mules and 2 games behind JHU, so probably locked into that 3 seed you would think. They also handled WAC in the first meeting this year. Washington, meanwhile, has gone 4-2 in their last 6 games after enduring a 1-9 stretch and, much like last season when they snuck into the playoffs, are peaking at the right time. Daniel Brown has taken the giant leap this year and the consistent senior leadership around him is paying dividends. As far as the game tonight? On paper, the Fords should win. But anything can happen in front of a loud Cain Athletic Center crowd, and WAC has had a decent amount of success at home against Haverford lately. This game, to me, is truly a toss up. If the Fords play the way they want to play, they win. If there's any sort of deviance from that, I think WAC takes it.

Either way, it's a big night of implications for that 5 seed! Also, another note on that.....Ursinus and Gettysburg both have to travel to Washington next Wednesday and Saturday. Think those games will be big?

Great write up...thanks for posting.

I am with you on JHU and F/M victories. 

The Mules have been playing well but it is so tough to hang with Swat at Tarble.  The Mules need a solid game out of their big guys to slow down the Swat bigs.  However, like you, I have the Garnet with the W.

As for the Bullets and the Bears, I see Ursinus winning and it could be a wide margin.  Bears are streaky but the Bullets do not play well away from home.

As for Haverford and WAC, the Shoreman have been playing well of late and Cain is a tough spot.  I see WAC in an upset.

Another fun night in the Centennial!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 07, 2020, 11:06:56 AM
Tell me what, besides having the best individual players, Ursinus does as a team. They consistently place 2+ players on all-conference teams but, other than last season's third place finish, they have been in the play-in game or out of the tournament for a long time. I am not sure the question with their team is "will the shooters show up tonight" but "what style of play will they have this week"? It is a luxury at the D3 level to have players as athletic and talented on your roster but to me the Bears don't have any identity. They play a different kind of defense, run different plays, and will scrap everything depending on the matchup. Not the way to be consistently good IMO.

Swat and Haverford ran away with their games and Hopkins made it comfortable at the end. Now that Dickinson is full-strength it really looks like four tiers this year: Hopkins and Swat, then Haverford on their own level just below, then everyone else, then McDaniel.

That being said, Swat plays F&M with one day to prep AGAIN (I am not going to go back for the exact numbers but this happens at least once a year for no real reason) and that is when the Dips thrive. Everyone is talking about next Wednesday but tomorrow's game is a big one for #1!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 08, 2020, 11:02:50 AM
Lack of prep time matters for an unbeaten #1 balanced deep squad to beat a decimated sad looking F&M team?

Hard to believe any real concern, as it took foul trouble to SWATs big men last year vs a deeper, healthier, better Dip team to heave in a desperation shot at buzzer to pull of a miracle on hardwood last year at SWAT. This year with only one legit Dip inside sized player to counter the waves of garnet athletic big men and myriads of 3-point sharp shooters, plus a SWAT second team that could handily beat Dip starters, it looks like a rout alert. Like every other CC coach not much prep time needed to figure out to hound and wear down only Dip player who could hurt them and can create his own shot. Although same coach was on the bench running team last year it is likely the help during season prepping by GRob helped make upset happen.

My line (prep time or none) is SWAT -29.5, sad to say as an alumni and big fan going back to 1st of 5 Dip Final Fours in 1978-9 season. I wonder if my lifespan includes seeing a 6th trip back one day.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2020, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on February 08, 2020, 11:02:50 AM
Lack of prep time matters for an unbeaten #1 balanced deep squad to beat a decimated sad looking F&M team?

Hard to believe any real concern, as it took foul trouble to SWATs big men last year vs a deeper, healthier, better Dip team to heave in a desperation shot at buzzer to pull of a miracle on hardwood last year at SWAT. This year with only one legit Dip inside sized player to counter the waves of garnet athletic big men and myriads of 3-point sharp shooters, plus a SWAT second team that could handily beat Dip starters, it looks like a rout alert. Like every other CC coach not much prep time needed to figure out to hound and wear down only Dip player who could hurt them and can create his own shot. Although same coach was on the bench running team last year it is likely the help during season prepping by GRob helped make upset happen.

My line (prep time or none) is SWAT -29.5, sad to say as an alumni and big fan going back to 1st of 5 Dip Final Fours in 1978-9 season. I wonder if my lifespan includes seeing a 6th trip back one day.

I'm wondering the same about a 5th trip for Scranton- 2020 would be 32 years since the last.  ::)
Actually, this special year there won't be a final 4 weekend, only a final 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on February 10, 2020, 03:04:59 PM
Big one Wednesday! Swarthmore has had some close calls the second time through Centennial play.  Will Hopkins be the one to knock them off?

Big part will be how Swat shoots from the perimeter.  They, like most teams, seem to shoot much more effectively at home than on the road (32.8% from 3 on road compared to 38% at home).  That stat alone makes this game mean even more for home court advantage in the Centennial playoffs!  Does anyone know the tie breaking procedure if both teams end 17-1

Hopkins, on the other hand, shot 6-26 from distance the first game. Odds are they will have to shoot better than that to knock off the Garnet.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
Tiebreaker is a coin flip.

And Swarthmore to me seems like a lot of teams that have adopted more analytics in the game ... Hopkins may be onboard as well. They look to shoot either outside the three point arc or inside the defensive arc (per se). Nothing midrange at all. It is consider, analytically, to a wasted shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 11, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Wednesday night is coming! Another very important night in the CC. Lets get to it....

McDaniel @ Gettysburg: The Bullets are in need of a big win as they try to keep pack with Ursinus and Washington in the race for the 5 seed and are still licking their wounds after a couple of losses in a row. Getting McDaniel at home should be the remedy they need heading into another big matchup with Washington on the road on Saturday.

Dickinson @ Franklin & Marshall: These two teams go to battle with both pretty much out of the playoff picture. When's the last time that happened? We saw the Bryce Allen effect for Dickinson on Saturday as the Red Devils got up by 20 and held off a rally to hand a surprising loss to Ursinus. Will it be enough to lift them over an underpowering F&M team this year? This one came down to the wire the first time these teams met this year in Carlisle (F&M needed double OT, but picked up the win), and I think this one will be close too. Allen will be the best player on the floor, but Kupa I think will get a little bit more help and F&M completes the sweep (which means Dickinson will probably win now).

Haverford @ Muhlenberg: If the Mules are going to have ANY chance of a first round bye, they have to win this game....and probably the rest of their games too (they are currently three games behind Haverford with four games to go). A win by the Fords locks up a first round bye and most likely the 3 seed (barring a collapse by JHU or Swat). The Mules should be safe in terms of the playoffs (two games ahead of 5th) and are still in the drivers seat for being the home team in the 4/5 game, so a loss to the Fords here won't necessarily kill them. Which is a good thing, because I think Haverford wins. Speaking of Haverford, Coach Doherty has to be the CC Coach Of The Year, right? He graduates a pair of 1,000+ point scorers from a season ago and still has the Fords two wins shy of the school record for wins in a year with four games to go. Yes, I know the Garnet haven't lost yet, but they were expected to be really good. Haverford, on the other hand, was NOT expected to be the 3 seed.

Now, for the two biggest games of the night.....

Ursinus @ Washington: The frustrating season for the Bears continues. Top two scorers in the Centennial in Ryan Hughes and Ryan McTamney, and yet this group is so all over the place on a week by week....heck, even a game by game basis. Saturday was another example of that. As for Washington, a 4-2 stretch, with the losses coming in games in which they were right in it to the end against Muhlenberg and Swarthmore...have been followed up by two straight losses to Haverford and Johns Hopkins in which the Shoremen were down by 20 in the opening half in both and never recovered. The good thing is that everyone around them took losses as well, so as a result Ursinus is just one game ahead of the Shoremen for the 5 seed, and also level with Gettysburg in the standings as well. Three teams for one spot, separated by one game. How about that? Anyways....I know I've said this before but it's going to come down to which Ursinus team shows up. If the Bears make shots and build a lead early, it might be tough for WAC to recover. If the Shoremen make a couple big plays early and get what's sure to be a fired up student section into it, it's game on. Washington hasn't beaten Ursinus at home since Rob Nugent was still the head coach, but that's a streak I think comes to an end tomorrow night. I'll take Washington in an extremely close affair, and one that can honestly go either way. If the Bears win, it's probably game over for WAC in terms of the playoffs (they would be two back of Ursinus with three games to go, plus the Bears would have the season sweep). If WAC wins, it's a tie with three games to go, and if Gburg takes care of business against McDaniel, the Bullets are only one game behind.....oh and yeah by the way, WAC hosts Gettysburg on Saturday. C-Town can change everything in the course of four days!

#1 Swarthmore @ #7 Johns Hopkins: As important as Ursinus/WAC is for the last spot in the playoffs, this is the game of the year in the CC and it's at the opposite end of the spectrum. Swat can virtually lock up the one seed with the win, while JHU can pull into a tie for first with three games to go. But, this game is much bigger than that. This game features the two teams that have been the class of the Centennial all year, the nations number one and last undefeated team, traveling into what is expected to be a VERY hostile environment to take on the #7 team in the country that has only gotten better and better since their loss to Swat back on December 10th, and even that was just a five point affair that could have gone either way. While Swat has still been winning, they've gotten quite a few scares lately...WAC, Ursinus, Gettysburg and Muhlenberg in the last two weeks, just to name a few. Is that because the Garnet are showing signs of vulnerability, or because, like I've said before, they're just getting everyone's best shot because of that #1 in front of their name? As for Johns Hopkins, they have the best player in the Centennial Conference in Conner Delaney.....yes, I said it. While Zac O'Dell for Swarthmore is a fantastic player and an All-American, and rightfully so, might I add, is there any player in the conference...maybe even the country...more important to their team than Delaney is to the Blue Jays? We saw it last year, when Delaney went out, the Blue Jays were a completely different team. With him back and at 100% now? The Blue Jays are flying high and dangerous. This should be the game of the year and I would be surprised if it winds up in a blowout either way. The thing with Swat is, because of how disciplined they are, you have to be damn near perfect to beat them. And Johns Hopkins is a team that's almost perfect...these teams are 1-2 in the conference in virtually every statistical category....except for one thing: rebounding. Swarthmore is far and away the best rebounding team in the league, and while the Blue Jays are still technically 2nd, the margin is staggering. JHU is +3.9, while the Garnet are a staggering +10.4. All it takes is a couple of rebounds in a row here and there to kickstart a small 4-0 or 6-0 spurt, and while that doesn't sound like a lot, in a game as close as this it makes all the difference. I think Swarthmore wins, but man, the margin is close. if the Blue Jays can be even or close to even in the rebounding battle, I like their chances. But I think Swarthmore does enough work on the glass to eke out a close win.


Enjoy the games everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:17:08 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 12:30:53 AM
Pretty good game at Goldfarb tonight. Swarthmore is clearly a bit better than Hopkins, especially inside. That said, JHU has a lot of things they do well and are growing into their own.

A hot second half that included Swat shooting 7-10 to JHU's 3-14 during a 19-4 (or worse) run to start ... is all Swat needed. JHU came back, but the hole was too deep at 20  points.

Hopkins played well... Swat finally played the game I was hoping from them the last few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
 Looks like that Goldfarb's video screen could affect shooters(2nd half for visitors but that's why the home team is shooting at the other basket in the 2nd half).
Also, why did JHU wear dark uniforms @ home?
Delaney played well but Swarthmore had the advantage in the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 13, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
Looks like that Goldfarb's video screen could affect shooters(2nd half for visitors but that's why the home team is shooting at the other basket in the 2nd half).
Also, why did JHU wear dark uniforms @ home?
Delaney played well but Swarthmore had the advantage in the paint.

Haven't seen it affect shooters in any of my visits there. A number of gyms have screens now and I don't see it affecting them. Heck, even I don't notice it and I'm looking towards it for half the game.

It was "black out" night, thus the black uniforms.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
Have you been in a gym with a screen?

I am not sure how it adds enough to the fan experience to justify the cost.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 05:47:49 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 13, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
Have you been in a gym with a screen?

I am not sure how it adds enough to the fan experience to justify the cost.

Been to many ... and even ran the productions for one who added it. Fans get to see replays and such. Plus most use it in pregame and other things as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2020, 06:13:52 PM
Thanks Dave!  I guess I can see that in a big Division I gym, but it seemed strange having it on the wall like that. 

I'll reserve judgement for when I get to a set-up like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 06:33:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 13, 2020, 06:13:52 PM
Thanks Dave!  I guess I can see that in a big Division I gym, but it seemed strange having it on the wall like that. 

I'll reserve judgement for when I get to a set-up like that.

That is the second one just in the Baltimore area for DIII schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 17, 2020, 02:32:00 PM
One week left in the regular season. Would be interested to hear some picks on the end of season awards. A lot of great individual players in this conference and a lot of teams that stepped up.

Wednesday's big game is Mules vs Bears. While in natural world this would be an easy pick, on the hardwood the Mules have a chance to lock up a spot in the tournament and send the fifth-place spot into a complete guessing game going into the last weekend. Exciting finish ahead!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
COY: Patrick Doherty (Haverford)
POY: Conner Delaney (Hopkins)
ROY: Justin Allen (Muhlenberg) ... maybe?

ROY I am less sure about.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 17, 2020, 03:30:33 PM


COY: Doherty (Haverford)
POY: O'Dell (Swat)
ROY: DeAngelo (Swat)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2020, 07:04:05 PM

I'm not sure who to go with for COY - certainly Landry has done a pretty great job having his team ready to go, but it would also be cool to honor one of the teams that's outperformed expectations.

For me, Delaney is POY, hands down.  Deangelo has got to be ROY
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 17, 2020, 07:17:28 PM
Player Of The Year: Delaney. He's the most important player in the entire league, and it's not even close. Take him off of JHU and they aren't in the position they're in. Swarthmore is so deep that even if they lose O'Dell, they would still be okay. Not the same, sure, but not a dramatic drop off.

Rookie Of The Year: Yeah, it has to be DeAngelo. He's been the guy now whose been pegged to fill the shoes of Cam Wiley and he's responded well.

Coach Of The Year: Doherty. Yes, if the Garnet finish off the undefeated regular season he'll get a lot of looks, and he should, but the Garnet were SUPPOSED to be good this year. But did ANYONE see Haverford being two wins shy of their school record, in the season after they graduated not one, but TWO 1,000+ point scorers? For that, it has to be Doherty, for me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2020, 08:29:42 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on February 17, 2020, 07:17:28 PM
Player Of The Year: Delaney. He's the most important player in the entire league, and it's not even close. Take him off of JHU and they aren't in the position they're in. Swarthmore is so deep that even if they lose O'Dell, they would still be okay. Not the same, sure, but not a dramatic drop off.

Rookie Of The Year: Yeah, it has to be DeAngelo. He's been the guy now whose been pegged to fill the shoes of Cam Wiley and he's responded well.

Coach Of The Year: Doherty. Yes, if the Garnet finish off the undefeated regular season he'll get a lot of looks, and he should, but the Garnet were SUPPOSED to be good this year. But did ANYONE see Haverford being two wins shy of their school record, in the season after they graduated not one, but TWO 1,000+ point scorers? For that, it has to be Doherty, for me.

So, how much weight should be given that(relative value to your team) vs whether one is the most outstanding player regardless of how much your teammates depend on you?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 17, 2020, 09:23:38 PM
It's all relative and different based on whose looking at it, I suppose. I just look at it from the standpoint of, Delaney's numbers are outstanding and he elevates the play of everyone around him, while also carrying the team at times when he has to. Whereas with O'Dell, the Garnet can have him off the floor for a while and they still click and roll along because that team is so incredibly deep.

I'm only mentioning these two, by the way, because I think it's between those two as to who wins it

And honestly, O'Dell might wind up being the guy who wins it, and I also wouldn't argue with it either. It's just, for me watching as many games as possible from afar (and seeing all of these guys in person once a year when they come to my gym), and for really anyone whose closely paid attention to the Blue Jays the last two years, I think we all know just how drastically different the Blue Jays have been, with and without Delaney on the floor, and that alone combined with his numbers is enough to push it over the top for me. But again, if it winds up being O'Dell, it wouldn't surprise me, and I couldn't argue too terribly much about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on February 18, 2020, 11:59:48 AM
Funny to me that a team who might go unbeaten in conference could have zero major individual awards. But I think that is more a testament to the style of play and kind of players they have at Swarthmore. Everyone touches the ball, everyone contributes, and on any given night you might have the best game on the team. Hard to prepare for that. I do hope that Zac, Connor, Nate, Visconti, DeAngelo get some pub for the great seasons they have had but I know that all those guys raising a trophy will be the only thing they care about.

I was shocked at how mediocre JHU looked when Delaney has a bad stretch. They are such a good team and they play so well but he really is the spoon that stirs the drink for the Jays.

I am always against the idea of just giving the coach from the first place team COY and definitely think Haverford has exceeded expectations. On the other hand, winning every game is pretty darn hard to do. Hard to fault Doherty or Landry as a choice
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on February 18, 2020, 09:05:02 PM
As I read the recent post on this blog, I see a lot of unfamiliar faces. As I look to my right I don't see my allies Hoopdog & HopkinNest7. I can only hope that my arch-nemesis Corporal Hicks lost his eyesight so he can no longer live stream Centinal Conference basketball from his mother's basement and make his sophomoric posts. 

As Jay Wright is gearing up to accept the New York Knick's Job, the Villanova head coaching job becomes available. As we all know, Villanova likes to recruit local and I have a credible source (Not Ryan Arcidiacono) that stated Landry is the top candidate to move up the street and take over the Wild Casts. Well deserved is all I can say, although Landry is boring and somewhat dull, he can sure coach a hell of a basketball game and he truly inspires and motivates his players. 

The question is who takes Landry's job after he leaves? Some of the more recent fans might not remember this name, but he was Cesar before Brutas brutally betrayed him. Scott Fitzgerald McClary.

The Cent needs Coach McClary back and this move makes more sense than purchasing bitcoin in the spring of 2018. McClary perfected the 3-2 zone defense even with unathletic guards like John Schreer and Michael Cera. This is all adding up to an amazing 2021 season and the rise of the Centinal Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:15:47 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:40:20 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 29, 2020, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on February 18, 2020, 09:05:02 PM
As I read the recent post on this blog, I see a lot of unfamiliar faces. As I look to my right I don't see my allies Hoopdog & HopkinNest7. I can only hope that my arch-nemesis Corporal Hicks lost his eyesight so he can no longer live stream Centinal Conference basketball from his mother's basement and make his sophomoric posts. 

As Jay Wright is gearing up to accept the New York Knick's Job, the Villanova head coaching job becomes available. As we all know, Villanova likes to recruit local and I have a credible source (Not Ryan Arcidiacono) that stated Landry is the top candidate to move up the street and take over the Wild Casts. Well deserved is all I can say, although Landry is boring and somewhat dull, he can sure coach a hell of a basketball game and he truly inspires and motivates his players. 

The question is who takes Landry's job after he leaves? Some of the more recent fans might not remember this name, but he was Cesar before Brutas brutally betrayed him. Scott Fitzgerald McClary.

The Cent needs Coach McClary back and this move makes more sense than purchasing bitcoin in the spring of 2018. McClary perfected the 3-2 zone defense even with unathletic guards like John Schreer and Michael Cera. This is all adding up to an amazing 2021 season and the rise of the Centinal Conference.

I thought that pompous only showed up on the NESCAC boards!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 01, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
Well that is pretty wild rumors. So much so, I had to call my son at 12:30am to let him know about them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 01, 2020, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 01, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
Well that is pretty wild rumors. So much so, I had to call my son at 12:30am to let him know about them.

Having grown with the Wright's (Jay babysat us and Derek is one of my best friends to this day), I'm in a decent position to comment on these "rumors". Jay has felt the tug a few times, but he is "King" at Nova and has a job for life (talk to Nick Saban about the grass being greener). He is a College Hall of Fame level basketball coach. If given the choice between staying at Nova, going to the 76ers or Knicks..............here is the order:

1. Stay at Nova
2. 76ers
3. Knicks

Now, if Crazy Dolan throws enough money (and stock) at him.........who knows. But it is a family decision and he loves life on our beautiful Main Line. New York is fun to visit, but to live........give me the Main Line any day of the week.

Also, Landry is about 8th in line out of 7 potential replacement candidates. That part is complete phooey................unless the first seven were to all turn the opportunity down.

I could tell you right now and right here who Nova's next coach (if he were to depart after this season), as well as who has been tabbed to take over for the legend himself, the Shot Doctor, my man Herbie Magee, at Jefferson University. I won't....................because Kate (his daughter, not the poster from the MAC board) would kill me!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2020, 11:38:40 AM

Have we forgotten that Hank is a troll?  Stop responding.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2020, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 01, 2020, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 01, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
Well that is pretty wild rumors. So much so, I had to call my son at 12:30am to let him know about them.

Having grown with the Wright's (Jay babysat us and Derek is one of my best friends to this day), I'm in a decent position to comment on these "rumors". Jay has felt the tug a few times, but he is "King" at Nova and has a job for life (talk to Nick Saban about the grass being greener). He is a College Hall of Fame level basketball coach. If given the choice between staying at Nova, going to the 76ers or Knicks..............here is the order:

1. Stay at Nova
2. 76ers
3. Knicks

Now, if Crazy Dolan throws enough money (and stock) at him.........who knows. But it is a family decision and he loves life on our beautiful Main Line. New York is fun to visit, but to live........give me the Main Line any day of the week.

Also, Landry is about 8th in line out of 7 potential replacement candidates. That part is complete phooey................unless the first seven were to all turn the opportunity down.

I could tell you right now and right here who Nova's next coach (if he were to depart after this season), as well as who has been tabbed to take over for the legend himself, the Shot Doctor, my man Herbie Magee, at Jefferson University. I won't....................because Kate (his daughter, not the poster from the MAC board) would kill me!! ;)

I remember seeing Herb play in the Eastern Pro League. Also, seeing memorable playoff games between Textile and Scranton in the late '60s/early 70s when both had excellent teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 01, 2020, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2020, 11:38:40 AM

Have we forgotten that Hank is a troll?  Stop responding.

Will do. My bad!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 01, 2020, 05:02:50 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 01, 2020, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 01, 2020, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 01, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
Well that is pretty wild rumors. So much so, I had to call my son at 12:30am to let him know about them.

Having grown with the Wright's (Jay babysat us and Derek is one of my best friends to this day), I'm in a decent position to comment on these "rumors". Jay has felt the tug a few times, but he is "King" at Nova and has a job for life (talk to Nick Saban about the grass being greener). He is a College Hall of Fame level basketball coach. If given the choice between staying at Nova, going to the 76ers or Knicks..............here is the order:

1. Stay at Nova
2. 76ers
3. Knicks

Now, if Crazy Dolan throws enough money (and stock) at him.........who knows. But it is a family decision and he loves life on our beautiful Main Line. New York is fun to visit, but to live........give me the Main Line any day of the week.

Also, Landry is about 8th in line out of 7 potential replacement candidates. That part is complete phooey................unless the first seven were to all turn the opportunity down.

I could tell you right now and right here who Nova's next coach (if he were to depart after this season), as well as who has been tabbed to take over for the legend himself, the Shot Doctor, my man Herbie Magee, at Jefferson University. I won't....................because Kate (his daughter, not the poster from the MAC board) would kill me!! ;)

I remember seeing Herb play in the Eastern Pro League. Also, seeing memorable playoff games between Textile and Scranton in the late '60s/early 70s when both had excellent teams.

Those Textile teams were fun. I remember as a kid when Gannon cane to town. Textile had a player by the name of Em 'The Gem" Sammons (or something like that). I think that he was drafted way back when the draft was much longer. I do remember the Textile vs. Scranton games as well. They were awesome!!

I saw Herbie last summer, at a camp in the Poconos (Five Star). He went 93 for 100 from the foul line. Amazing!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 01, 2020, 05:54:57 PM
Congrats to Coach Josh Loeffler and the rest of the Hopkin's team on a fantastic win. Josh is a quality guy and if Swat couldn't win it, glad he did.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on March 01, 2020, 08:38:32 PM
Swat will still host a pod next weekend, no question. Depending on whose left, as long as they take care of business, I suspect they've got a good chance at hosting all the way until the Final Four also.

Same can be said for JHU; I think the win last night certainly helps their hosting cause. All depends on travel and matchups.

Also, Swat/JHU, Round 4 in the NCAA's. Who says no to that?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2020, 11:30:36 PM
It's all the way to the Elite Eight this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 02, 2020, 07:56:03 AM
congrats to hopkins and coach loeffler on their win over swat.
loeffler is part of the younger generation of serious, able coaches in the centennial.
delaney came up big in a big game.
great game, great competition and wonderful for hopkins and their confidence to win the ncaa.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on March 05, 2020, 04:38:26 PM
Hoorah! *Corporal Hicks has entered the chat.....*

Though I have been absent from the blog in the last year, I have been following closely from distance.  You may all thank that troll, Hank for my return.  I can't just sit back here and watch as he tries to ravage my reputation.  I won't wow you with a long post in my first one back, I'll just ease my way back into this since my fingers will probably be sore from all these keyboard pokes. 

A couple things I'd like to discuss:

1.  Hank is completely unhinged- Your arch nemesis??  Someone who supported similar ideas so frequently? Landy(Centennial Brad Stevens) to Villanova?? Been following Nova for years now, and there are very few guys in a position like Jay's.  He could practically get away with murder if it were done on Lancaster Ave... The only place I see Jay going is back to his closet to put on another dapper suit.

2. The All Conference team is an atrocity.  I mean absolutely no disrespect to any of the players who made the team, just not how I would have done it.  I feel like they got first team pretty accurately.  Delaney for MVP seems right after the hurdles he needed to clear to get back out there this season, Odell and Schaffer aka "The Bruise Brothers" only seems right after the historical season, Gaines- who probably is the leagues best individual player(not hard to tell just watch a little) was a No-Brainer and he is also my early choice for MVP next season, lastly Turkson, best season for the Fords in a while and he was their best player. 

When you get to Second team is when it gets fishy- Here is the CC order for standings- Swat, Hopkins, Haverford, Muhlenberg, WaC, Ursinus, F&M, Gettysberg, Dickinson, McDaniel.

Here are the # of Representatives from each team- Swat-4, Hopkins-2, Fords-1,  Mules-1, WaC-2(LOL), Ursinus-2, F&M-1, Gettysberg-1, Dickinson-1, McDaniel- goose egg

I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks of the teams for the season?

My issue is how do you look at teams who had seasons like the Fords and Mules(combined 8-0 vs WaC and Ursinus) and think that Ursinus and WaC should have 2 representatives and Dickinson and Gettysberg have 1 over another Mule or Ford.

Some Suggestions: Matt Gnias(previous 2 time rep)??? another Mule suggestion for at least honorable mention, Dallas Hoffman?? For the Fords Joe Wujciak? Just a name I'm throwing out there, Seemed like a guy who had a lot to do with their teams success.  CAREFUL folks when it comes to the game of basketball, there is a lot more to it than looking at strictly numbers....

Prediction-Guarantee Swat to final 4 this season and Hopkins to at least elite 8- Saw them each a bunch this season and both are very impressive/as well coached as anyone.

Hope to generate some good conversation in my return to posting- and AGAIN folks, please remember, Lets discuss sports in a positive manner.

The Cent is in good hands my friends.

Corp. Out





Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
Who would you remove from the team to make room for those guys?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on March 06, 2020, 12:47:08 PM
A lot of the players he mentioned were Honorable Mention players and not even Second Team players like he claimed they were, so I don't put any stock into the post

I also like how he puts an (LOL) next to the WAC guys....neither one of which was on the second team, as he claims, by the way...when they both were pretty much the reason why the team made back to back postseason appearances for the first time in literally 20 years

But, I digress. Let's all just enjoy the tournament, shall we?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2020, 02:04:27 PM

Hicks is also a troll.  I suspect the same one as Hank.  Just ignore.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Corporal Hicks on March 06, 2020, 03:21:43 PM
Hoorah!

Pat- This was just my view on things, but I'd say of the 3 potential I mentioned, at least Gnias should be there.  I'd put him in place of one of the 4 representatives from Ursinus or WAC- preferably Brown from WAC or Hughes from UC.  Again, just looking to spark some good Cent talk here- not attacking any teams or players.  It was another enjoyable year of hoops this season.

"CCD3"- The logic you just displayed is the same exact argument I was making-  The Fords have been absent from the post season since around 2011 I believe?(someone fact check me on that going off top of my head) and the Mules since '14? so yes technically not as long of a drought as WAC, but are you going to ignore the same argument for the Mule/Ford players who contributed to their teams postseason birth + the fact that both teams swept the lesser WAC/UC.  We are talking about THIS season, not "All Back 2 Back Playoff Appearances Conference Teams".  Folks, imagine thinking of all conference teams and taking LAST season into account? I did enjoy your snarky reply nonetheless.

On a lighter note, I'm hearing rumblings out of Baltimore that the games at Hopkins will NOT be open to spectators? Can anyone confirm?  Was looking forward to heading over there this weekend

Corp. out




Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 06, 2020, 05:50:22 PM
What is everyone's opinion of shutting down the Hopkin's gym to spectators? If they wanted to do this, then let some other college host it. I can't imagine being a parent and not being able to see my kid play in the NCAA's. Just doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: SpringSt7 on March 06, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
Did Conor Delaney get hurt?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2020, 11:20:44 PM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on March 06, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
Did Conor Delaney get hurt?

Yep, leg injury about 5 minutes into the second half.  The team came back without him, but obviously its a huge loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:44:50 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on March 06, 2020, 03:21:43 PM
Hoorah!

Pat- This was just my view on things, but I'd say of the 3 potential I mentioned, at least Gnias should be there.  I'd put him in place of one of the 4 representatives from Ursinus or WAC- preferably Brown from WAC or Hughes from UC.  Again, just looking to spark some good Cent talk here- not attacking any teams or players.  It was another enjoyable year of hoops this season.

"CCD3"- The logic you just displayed is the same exact argument I was making-  The Fords have been absent from the post season since around 2011 I believe?(someone fact check me on that going off top of my head) and the Mules since '14? so yes technically not as long of a drought as WAC, but are you going to ignore the same argument for the Mule/Ford players who contributed to their teams postseason birth + the fact that both teams swept the lesser WAC/UC.  We are talking about THIS season, not "All Back 2 Back Playoff Appearances Conference Teams".  Folks, imagine thinking of all conference teams and taking LAST season into account? I did enjoy your snarky reply nonetheless.

On a lighter note, I'm hearing rumblings out of Baltimore that the games at Hopkins will NOT be open to spectators? Can anyone confirm?  Was looking forward to heading over there this weekend

Corp. out

Maybe you should read the news once in awhile. 3:20 PM post about crowds .... an hour after the first game has started ... and 15+ hours after the news came out?

(Ryan - realize he's a troll, but he's an out of touch one for sure.)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:45:19 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 06, 2020, 05:50:22 PM
What is everyone's opinion of shutting down the Hopkin's gym to spectators? If they wanted to do this, then let some other college host it. I can't imagine being a parent and not being able to see my kid play in the NCAA's. Just doesn't seem right.

I tweeted some thoughts in the last 24 hours, but I will have more thoughts on Sunday's Hoopsville. Too tired to put them to words ... it will take too long.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:45:19 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 06, 2020, 05:50:22 PM
What is everyone's opinion of shutting down the Hopkin's gym to spectators? If they wanted to do this, then let some other college host it. I can't imagine being a parent and not being able to see my kid play in the NCAA's. Just doesn't seem right.

I tweeted some thoughts in the last 24 hours, but I will have more thoughts on Sunday's Hoopsville. Too tired to put them to words ... it will take too long.

Delaney's injury aside (not making light nor little of it.........but I'm not sure how much of a difference it made in Hopkins inability to stop PSU-H). Dave's favorite conference (Dave, saying that completely tongue-in-cheek, NOT as a troll :) ), the MIGHTY NEAC, sends their champion into the home of the #6 team in the country, and slays the lion. Just think about it, Lancaster Bible was up by 5 with 31 seconds left AT PSU-Harrisburg, in the championship game, before losing in overtime.

By the way, I think that Hopkins eeks it out if Delaney plays the whole game BUT, I don't think anybody thought that PSU-Harrisburg would even make this a game. If you were to have told folks that Delaney would miss the final 15 minutes of the second half. I think that most people (if being honest with themselves) would have simply said that it would have been less of a blowout.

Stunning result................but not if you watched the game, as I did. PSU-H has some athletes, and had the best player on the court for one night!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: HopkinsNest7 on March 07, 2020, 10:47:14 AM
Corporal Hicks makes a good point in that the Mules should absolutely have a second representative on the all conference squad. I cant help but to figure the wreckless reporting of crazed centennial fan Hank Mardukas may have effected Mules senior PG matt gnias getting rewarded. While it was widely disputed and eventually proven false id assume the sour taste of a juul suspension (not true, grrr Hank) resignated in voters heads.

Also as noted in the past Im as big of a McClary (didnt know his middle name was fitzgerald though) advocate as you can find but I just cant see him roaming the side lines in the Tarble Pavilion of Swarthmore. I cant help but to be inspired by Jim Calhouns ability to take an all girls school and turn it into a successful mens program within 3 years. McClary is a builder not a manager. The only way he comes back to the D3 ranks in my eyes is if he takes the helm at Bryn Mawr, a predominately all girls school sans a few guys. With the proper resources and backing McClary can give the Cent another run from an underdog position, one he has thrived in. Now I know what youre gonna say "Oh Hopkinsnest7 youre insane for comparing McClary to a guy who won 3 titles in Division 1." and you may have a point, probably not, but if Kemba Walker walked through the doors and played in the Mule barn in 2011 they probably would have won the title too. Its a circumstantial result really.

My girlfriend asked me to stop blogging this season so we could raise our son (not a girl dad) so I admit I am a little behind on my Centennial personnel this year. But upon looking through the stats listed on the Centennial website (good job Dave assuming you designed it, looks great and easy to navigate) here are my favorite players.

1. Avery Close- really cool name 11.6 ppg.
2. Nick Lord- really cool name
3. R. Hughes (ursinus)- efficient 18.2 ppg must have had a good year
4. Dallas Hoffman (Mules)- anyone name after a city make this list in my book (9 steals in conference play this season)

Good to be back and looking forward to a Swarthmore run this season, Landry has those guys focused id assume.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
Alright, cleared the under-bridge area of a few trolls. We've instituted some new technology to cross-reference posts and their source IP address.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
Alright, cleared the under-bridge area of a few trolls. We've instituted some new technology to cross-reference posts and their source IP address.

When Hicks looks in the mirror........................does he see Hank?
When Hank looks in the mirror........................does he see Hicks?
:) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 08:03:47 PM
I don't want to take anything away from Landry (especially given that he's coaching my alma mater) BUT.........................I'm not sure that I've ever seen a coach, especially one with the best team in the country, on their home court, bitch and bitch and bitch at the refs.

Jay Wright's future replacement?? Oh Lord, no way in you-know-where!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 08:03:47 PM
I don't want to take anything away from Landry (especially given that he's coaching my alma mater) BUT.........................I'm not sure that I've ever seen a coach, especially one with the best team in the country, on their home court, bitch and bitch and bitch at the refs.

Jay Wright's future replacement?? Oh Lord, no way in you-know-where!! ;)

He's not normally so vocal; although they rarely have games that are allowed to be that physical either.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2020, 12:57:28 AM
The host sites for the men's Sweet 16 have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2020/bracket and game times: https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/ncaa-tournament?date=2020-03-13 and https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/ncaa-tournament?date=2020-03-14
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 08, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 08:03:47 PM
I don't want to take anything away from Landry (especially given that he's coaching my alma mater) BUT.........................I'm not sure that I've ever seen a coach, especially one with the best team in the country, on their home court, bitch and bitch and bitch at the refs.

Jay Wright's future replacement?? Oh Lord, no way in you-know-where!! ;)

He's not normally so vocal; although they rarely have games that are allowed to be that physical either.

Ryan, I was thinking the same thing about how Landry seemed more "theatrical" than usual, but when I look at Ithaca, "physical" is the last thing that I think of. Ithaca kind of looks like (not plays like) a typical Philadelphia suburban high school team (I'd say a Philadelphia Catholic League team, arguably the best HS League in the country.................but most of those teams look more like D-I teams ;) )
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 08, 2020, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:45:19 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 06, 2020, 05:50:22 PM
What is everyone's opinion of shutting down the Hopkin's gym to spectators? If they wanted to do this, then let some other college host it. I can't imagine being a parent and not being able to see my kid play in the NCAA's. Just doesn't seem right.

I tweeted some thoughts in the last 24 hours, but I will have more thoughts on Sunday's Hoopsville. Too tired to put them to words ... it will take too long.

Delaney's injury aside (not making light nor little of it.........but I'm not sure how much of a difference it made in Hopkins inability to stop PSU-H). Dave's favorite conference (Dave, saying that completely tongue-in-cheek, NOT as a troll :) ), the MIGHTY NEAC, sends their champion into the home of the #6 team in the country, and slays the lion. Just think about it, Lancaster Bible was up by 5 with 31 seconds left AT PSU-Harrisburg, in the championship game, before losing in overtime.

By the way, I think that Hopkins eeks it out if Delaney plays the whole game BUT, I don't think anybody thought that PSU-Harrisburg would even make this a game. If you were to have told folks that Delaney would miss the final 15 minutes of the second half. I think that most people (if being honest with themselves) would have simply said that it would have been less of a blowout.

Stunning result................but not if you watched the game, as I did. PSU-H has some athletes, and had the best player on the court for one night!

Yeshiva is very real, although I think their season probably ends in the Sweet Sixteen. They whacked the team........who whacked Hopkins. Their ball movement is superb and makes up for what they lack in pure athleticism. I'm glad they got the AQ. It would have been a shame to see this team looking in from the outside!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on March 08, 2020, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 08:03:47 PM
I don't want to take anything away from Landry (especially given that he's coaching my alma mater) BUT.........................I'm not sure that I've ever seen a coach, especially one with the best team in the country, on their home court, bitch and bitch and bitch at the refs.

Jay Wright's future replacement?? Oh Lord, no way in you-know-where!! ;)

He's not normally so vocal; although they rarely have games that are allowed to be that physical either.


Landry had every right to be extra vocal last night, because the refs didn't do the greatest job of keeping things under control. They didn't call a lot of fouls that they could have and made a couple of really, really questionable calls. Landry had every right to be upset......but at the end of the day, they found a way, again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2020, 12:09:28 PM

I've seen a lot of Swarthmore games - the Garnet were getting pounded more than is typical for them.  Not that they can't take it, but Ithaca was going hard.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 08, 2020, 08:02:35 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on March 08, 2020, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 08:03:47 PM
I don't want to take anything away from Landry (especially given that he's coaching my alma mater) BUT.........................I'm not sure that I've ever seen a coach, especially one with the best team in the country, on their home court, bitch and bitch and bitch at the refs.

Jay Wright's future replacement?? Oh Lord, no way in you-know-where!! ;)

He's not normally so vocal; although they rarely have games that are allowed to be that physical either.


Landry had every right to be extra vocal last night, because the refs didn't do the greatest job of keeping things under control. They didn't call a lot of fouls that they could have and made a couple of really, really questionable calls. Landry had every right to be upset......but at the end of the day, they found a way, again.

Mullins had thew same right as well. The calls went both ways, for and against both teams. They should have found a way to win as they are the #1 seed in the tournament, playing on their home court against a much smaller team. Anything but a national championship. after finishing runner up last season, would be a HUGE disappointment!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 08, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2020, 12:09:28 PM

I've seen a lot of Swarthmore games - the Garnet were getting pounded more than is typical for them.  Not that they can't take it, but Ithaca was going hard.

I don't know how a team that looks like Popeye (with no spinach to be found) "pounds" a team the size of Swat.......especially O'dell and Schafer. The size difference, in the front and backcourt  was shocking. Thompson and Sinon looked like kids against men.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2020, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 08, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2020, 12:09:28 PM

I've seen a lot of Swarthmore games - the Garnet were getting pounded more than is typical for them.  Not that they can't take it, but Ithaca was going hard.

I don't know how a team that looks like Popeye (with no spinach to be found) "pounds" a team the size of Swat.......especially O'dell and Schafer. The size difference, in the front and backcourt  was shocking. Thompson and Sinon looked like kids against men.

Maybe it was comparison issues.  I saw them play Brooklyn the night before. THAT was a size disparity.  It doesn't really matter how big a guy is - Ithaca played rough.  I have no problem with it at all.  They were physical.  That's a choice.  Great.  I'm just saying that game looked different than what Swat normally sees, which MIGHT have been why Landry was on edge.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: footballfan911 on March 09, 2020, 03:00:34 PM
Ithaca always plays hard but I would hardly call them a physical team. They average close to 90 points and only turn the ball over 10 times a game. That and timely shot making is the recipe for their success. They play with a ton of heart, despite their size disadvantage. I was in the gym and didn't really think that game was anymore physical than a typical Liberty League game. Swarthmore was just better down the stretch. Refs had nothing to do with the outcome, although I will agree the head coach in the refs ear on every possession is a bit much.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 09, 2020, 03:25:41 PM
Quote from: footballfan911 on March 09, 2020, 03:00:34 PM
Ithaca always plays hard but I would hardly call them a physical team. They average close to 90 points and only turn the ball over 10 times a game. That and timely shot making is the recipe for their success. They play with a ton of heart, despite their size disadvantage. I was in the gym and didn't really think that game was anymore physical than a typical Liberty League game. Swarthmore was just better down the stretch. Refs had nothing to do with the outcome, although I will agree the head coach in the refs ear on every possession is a bit much.

Spot on! Other than Alderete, I don't think there is a player on Ithaca, from the freshmen to the seniors, who looked like grown men. Swarthmore was much more 'swole' up and down their lineup. Swat's games with Hopkins were more physical than this Ithaca game. I'd call Ithaca more of a gnat-like, pain-in-the-azz, type of team, much more than calling them a physical team. I'm not sure that Mullins is a big offseason weight room coach (unlike Landry)...............but they could clearly use it.

The refs had zero to do with the outcome................and that would have held true if Ithaca would have pulled off the massive upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 09, 2020, 03:30:17 PM
Quote from: footballfan911 on March 09, 2020, 03:00:34 PM
Ithaca always plays hard but I would hardly call them a physical team. They average close to 90 points and only turn the ball over 10 times a game. That and timely shot making is the recipe for their success. They play with a ton of heart, despite their size disadvantage. I was in the gym and didn't really think that game was anymore physical than a typical Liberty League game. Swarthmore was just better down the stretch. Refs had nothing to do with the outcome, although I will agree the head coach in the refs ear on every possession is a bit much.

I also had a veteran ref (son is the head coach at Lancaster Bible) tell me that Swat's two bigs called be called for many 'borderline' offensive foul calls. Backing the defender down is fine. Dipping the shoulder and finishing through him is questionable from time to time. I saw Big O get away without that, while initiating the contact, several times. It's nice to stand up to it.........but the art of the flop (or backing away so the big guy stumbles while dipping the shoulder into the defender) is a dying art. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 09, 2020, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 08:03:47 PM
I don't want to take anything away from Landry (especially given that he's coaching my alma mater) BUT.........................I'm not sure that I've ever seen a coach, especially one with the best team in the country, on their home court, bitch and bitch and bitch at the refs.

Jay Wright's future replacement?? Oh Lord, no way in you-know-where!! ;)

Try watching York College....

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: footballfan911 on March 09, 2020, 03:49:58 PM
Ithaca almost always looks like a JV team in warm-ups compared to their opponent. They do however, have very smart and skilled players.  Opponents shoot horribly from 3 against them.  Reason, great guard switching at the arc and great communication.  Clearly opponents are able to shoot over them, but just don't get enough open looks against them.  And the turnover margin is huge in their favor.  If Swarthmore thinks this game was physical, then I would question their longevity in this tournament despite the fact they have a great team.

I don't know what type of kid Ithaca recruits, but in years past they were much more of a grown-man looking team and they did not have this kind of success.  Thompson has always been overlooked, and underestimated, but he is a tough kid and he is a winner. Clutch throughout his career, Saturday night notwithstanding. He has had many more games in his career like Friday night than Saturday night.  Unfortunate outlier for him in his final game.  Great careers for him and Alderete.

As far as offensive foul calls on Swat's big men, they must have watched a different game than I did.  The one call, went against Alderete(no way is he a flopper) and not only did Swat get the call, the ref called it a shooting foul.  I think that was the only call of that sort in the game. Landry bitched about that even though he got the whistle...he wanted a flop warning. Go back and watch, hilarious to think that was a flop.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: footballfan911 on March 09, 2020, 09:26:07 PM
Apologies as I was a little off on my previous comments regarding the physicality and officiating in the Ithaca/Swarthmore game. I went back and watched the broadcast of the game. The thought that calls went against Swat or that the game was overly physical is even more preposterous after taking a 2nd look. At no point did Swat receive the short end of any call. It was playoff basketball. Period. The announcer commented after Jack Stern of Ithaca fell over O'Dell on a loose ball that it was the second "cheap shot" by Ithaca on O' Dell. The first was on Thompson earlier in the second half after a driving layup by Thompson. Donation to your favorite charity for anyone who actually goes back and watches those 2 plays and thinks they were cheap shots. Hilarious. The block(flop) by Alderete which was called a shooting foul. Lol. A second larger donation to anyone who would call this a shooting foul. Stop with the officiating. Swat was frustrated. Period. Coaches, players, fan....by the fact Ithaca wouldn't back down and roll over. They all figured that a victory was a given based on the fact of Ithaca's diminutive physical prowess and the fact that Swat is in the almighty Centennial Conference. Please. Last thing..."they played us as it was their Super Bowl". That's disrespectful to Ithaca and Babson. Ithaca prepared to come to Philly to win TWO games. One at a time. None was more significant than the other and the Swat game was on a 24 hour turn around. They respected Babson as much as they respected Swat.  They feared neither. Nice try, trying to diminish their effort and skill as if anyone not drinking Landry's cool aid is buying it. Lol.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2020, 09:39:17 PM

I don't recognize the characterization of Swarthmore in those statements.  I don't think many, if any, Swarthmore fans even post here very often.  I've never known Swarthmore to be anything but humble.  This all started with comments about how vocal Landry was during the game and I mentioned it was more physical than refs typically let things get for them, which is likely the reason.  You then proceeded to argue (I think) that Ithaca can't be physical, because they're smaller, as if those two things are correlated in any way.  It seems you've attempting to slay a boogieman of your own creation.

No one disparaged Ithaca or complained about anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: footballfan911 on March 09, 2020, 10:04:36 PM
I didn't say they couldn't be physical because of their size. Because of their size and style of play, they do not play a physical game. That doesn't mean they aren't tough and that they don't play hard. You inferred that the refs let them get away with excessive physical play.  I completely disagree. And yes, size does impact play around the basket and Swat used their size to their advantage as any good team would. I said I didn't think the game was overly physical. In the least. Go back and watch. It was not. Despite Landry's relentless berating of the officials, I do not think the officiating impacted the game one iota. As far as Swat fans being respectful, I'll take your word for it. It is just unbecoming for the leader of the #1 team in the country to whine and bitch and complain(my words) after every trip up the floor. Good luck next round.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on March 10, 2020, 01:00:37 PM
I totally disagree that Ithaca doesnt play a physical style. As an undersized team they really fight for rebounds by hitting bigger players and trying to bury them under the hoop. That is what a good coach would tell a smaller team to do and they are really good at it. I also saw a lot of bumping on drives with and without hand checks. again, a smart way to play when you aren't as big but to pretend they arent physical because they are small and shoot threes seems misguided. I don't think the reffing helped or hurt one team or another but I think a coach should try to get the calls he needs to win. If you are the smaller team and you are trying to use tricks to beat the bigger team shouldn't the bigger team try to stop that from happening? Both teams played physically, the refs let it happen, it was a physical game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 11, 2020, 11:04:06 AM

No fans at Swarthmore this weekend.  Announcement just posted to their athletic page.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 11, 2020, 01:38:17 PM
So Swarthmore pulls an Amherst and shuts the doors....................

This is about to get real interesting in the coming days and weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: footballfan911 on March 12, 2020, 07:01:19 PM
Tough for the seniors. Last weekend was such a great weekend across the country, sorry to see it end like this for all these teams but especially the seniors that won on Saturday and thought their dream was still alive.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 14, 2020, 05:58:24 PM
This was a very interesting game for me as my son played for Swarthmore and Ithaca College is my and my wife's alma mater. I waited to post so as to see what others thought of the game. There is no mention of the horrific zone that Swat played the first quarter of the game. I didn't get it at all. When they switched out of it, they played much better. I thought Ithaca College played way over the top physical and almost dirty at times. I re-watched it and I stand by it. In fact, it was worse the second time I watched it. The crowd got into IC's shooter (kid with headband) head and he seemed more worried about what the crowd was saying to him.

I am so sad for the seniors on Swat who were shooting for a National Championship and now don't have the chance. The two bigs will be very hard to replace as they dominated almost everyone they played over the years. Two great young men.

This was Swat's year - They were #1 in every single poll this year and I hope they are named Champs. It would only be fitting.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 14, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 14, 2020, 05:58:24 PM
This was a very interesting game for me as my son played for Swarthmore and Ithaca College is my and my wife's alma mater. I waited to post so as to see what others thought of the game. There is no mention of the horrific zone that Swat played the first quarter of the game. I didn't get it at all. When they switched out of it, they played much better. I thought Ithaca College played way over the top physical and almost dirty at times. I re-watched it and I stand by it. In fact, it was worse the second time I watched it. The crowd got into IC's shooter (kid with headband) head and he seemed more worred about what the crowd was saying to him.

I am so sad for the seniors on Swat who were shooting for a National Championship and now don't have the chance. The two bigs will be very hard to replace as they dominated almost everyone they played over the years. Two great young men.

This was Swat's year - They were #1 in every single poll this year and I hope they are named Champs. It would only be fitting.

My undergraduate degree is from Swarthmore. Yet, this comment,"I thought Ithaca College played way over the top physical and almost dirty at times. I re-watched it and I stand by it. In fact, it was worse the second time I watched it", shows how two people can watch the same game, several times, and have views that are the polar opposite.

I guess that makes the world go round.

Oh, and I stand by my opinion as well. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: footballfan911 on March 14, 2020, 10:01:48 PM
"Way over the top physical and dirty? Hahahaha. You must be related to the announcer on the broadcast who said there were two "cheap shots" on O 'Dell. You Swat fans are priceless. It was a well played playoff game between two good teams. Sorry Swat didn't blow them out by 40, like they are accustomed too, but maybe, just maybe, give Ithaca a little credit for being able to hang with the team of destiny. It has been mentioned here that Swat fans don't post on this board and most Swat fans are respectful of their opponent. Calling Ithaca dirty is just laughable and out of line....nobody cares where you graduated from so prefacing your take with the fact that you are an Ithaca grad, therefore your take has some validity is preposterous. And for the kid with the headband being concerned with the crowd....being called a faggot and a homo is bound to get your attention. Heard it half a dozen times if I heard it once as I was sitting directly in front of a row of Swat students. Over the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 15, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
Quote from: footballfan911 on March 14, 2020, 10:01:48 PM
"Way over the top physical and dirty? Hahahaha. You must be related to the announcer on the broadcast who said there were two "cheap shots" on O 'Dell. You Swat fans are priceless. It was a well played playoff game between two good teams. Sorry Swat didn't blow them out by 40, like they are accustomed too, but maybe, just maybe, give Ithaca a little credit for being able to hang with the team of destiny. It has been mentioned here that Swat fans don't post on this board and most Swat fans are respectful of their opponent. Calling Ithaca dirty is just laughable and out of line....nobody cares where you graduated from so prefacing your take with the fact that you are an Ithaca grad, therefore your take has some validity is preposterous. And for the kid with the headband being concerned with the crowd....being called a faggot and a homo is bound to get your attention. Heard it half a dozen times if I heard it once as I was sitting directly in front of a row of Swat students. Over the line.

I won't address most of this garbage from a first time poster, but yeah, I think I may be in a unique position to talk about both teams. I live about ten miles from IC and get to see them play all the time. This was by far the most physical they have played all year from what I have seen. In fact, it wasn't close. I am not saying it wasn't a great game plan as it was the only way they could have won. You obviously don't know anything about Swat as they were in many many close games this year. That is why they didn't get rattled. Maybe you should stick to football as you clearly don't know basketball at all. I have been going to IC basketball games since '81. You?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 15, 2020, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 15, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
Quote from: footballfan911 on March 14, 2020, 10:01:48 PM
"Way over the top physical and dirty? Hahahaha. You must be related to the announcer on the broadcast who said there were two "cheap shots" on O 'Dell. You Swat fans are priceless. It was a well played playoff game between two good teams. Sorry Swat didn't blow them out by 40, like they are accustomed too, but maybe, just maybe, give Ithaca a little credit for being able to hang with the team of destiny. It has been mentioned here that Swat fans don't post on this board and most Swat fans are respectful of their opponent. Calling Ithaca dirty is just laughable and out of line....nobody cares where you graduated from so prefacing your take with the fact that you are an Ithaca grad, therefore your take has some validity is preposterous. And for the kid with the headband being concerned with the crowd....being called a faggot and a homo is bound to get your attention. Heard it half a dozen times if I heard it once as I was sitting directly in front of a row of Swat students. Over the line.

I won't address most of this garbage from a first time poster, but yeah, I think I may be in a unique position to talk about both teams. I live about ten miles from IC and get to see them play all the time. This was by far the most physical they have played all year from what I have seen. In fact, it wasn't close. I am not saying it wasn't a great game plan as it was the only way they could have won. You obviously don't know anything about Swat as they were in many many close games this year. That is why they didn't get rattled. Maybe you should stick to football as you clearly don't know basketball at all. I have been going to IC basketball games since '81. You?

It is precious watching the children argue about such trivial things in the times we are facing right now. :)

Oh, and I will not repeat any of the words that were in fact hurled from the Swat stands (at the "kid with the headband"), but it was very out of line and as a Swat grad, I'm ashamed!!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 15, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on March 15, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
Quote from: footballfan911 on March 14, 2020, 10:01:48 PM
"Way over the top physical and dirty? Hahahaha. You must be related to the announcer on the broadcast who said there were two "cheap shots" on O 'Dell. You Swat fans are priceless. It was a well played playoff game between two good teams. Sorry Swat didn't blow them out by 40, like they are accustomed too, but maybe, just maybe, give Ithaca a little credit for being able to hang with the team of destiny. It has been mentioned here that Swat fans don't post on this board and most Swat fans are respectful of their opponent. Calling Ithaca dirty is just laughable and out of line....nobody cares where you graduated from so prefacing your take with the fact that you are an Ithaca grad, therefore your take has some validity is preposterous. And for the kid with the headband being concerned with the crowd....being called a faggot and a homo is bound to get your attention. Heard it half a dozen times if I heard it once as I was sitting directly in front of a row of Swat students. Over the line.

I won't address most of this garbage from a first time poster, but yeah, I think I may be in a unique position to talk about both teams. I live about ten miles from IC and get to see them play all the time. This was by far the most physical they have played all year from what I have seen. In fact, it wasn't close. I am not saying it wasn't a great game plan as it was the only way they could have won. You obviously don't know anything about Swat as they were in many many close games this year. That is why they didn't get rattled. Maybe you should stick to football as you clearly don't know basketball at all. I have been going to IC basketball games since '81. You?

As a Swat grad, I'm in no position to tell anybody to "stick to football" as (1) Football is the 800 pound, dominant sport in our country and (2) I can't "stick to football" as a Swat grad, although an IC grad proudly can................as the administration axed the program years ago, foolishly!!!! And the NESCAC still has a solid football base amongst it's member institutions.

And no.................water polo (or polo), fencing nor handball are NOT replacements. Just about nobody cares (or has played ANY of these "sports". ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on March 15, 2020, 08:48:56 PM
Well is name is footballfan so that is why I said it. I will not be lectured by a first time poster on here. I went to IC, support its sports (got engaged at an IC football game and am friends with the last two football coaches) and am an IC basketball supporter for almost 40 years. I went to some games this year and they played Swat more physical than I had previously seen them play. I thought it bordered on dirty play, hence why Landry was so upset. Again, they had to play this way as it was their only chance to win. I thought the IC coach did a great job preparing them for it. Swat was the best DIII team in the country this year and should be named national champs. They were #1 in every single poll this year. Every. Single. Poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 16, 2020, 04:09:44 PM
What was borderline dirty play was O'Dell (at 6'7".........and if he is only 200 pounds, I am a Rhodes Scholar..........one of his teammates, from Newtown, PA, estimated that to be about 30 pounds too light, at least) backing down and then dipping the shoulder and finishing through the Ithaca "Pipecleaners" defenders (as a veteran ref who watched the game told me). He could have been called several times for an offensive foul. With the size and bulk difference (it looked like a college team vs. a high school team), Landry had no right to whine and complain to the extent that he did.

Nobody will, nor should they be named a "national champion". I never agreed with it during the college football days (pre-playoffs), nor do I agree with it now. I appreciate the work that everybody does each week in compiling the poll, but a true national champion must be crowned on the court. To be honest (about my.......and only my alma mater ;) ), the way that Swat looked against Ithaca, and before that, against Hopkins (as well as a few other close games), I would have made a gentleman's bet with anyone on this board that Swat would have NOT been the last team standing. I can't name one team that would have, but there were certainly three of four other teams playing better ball during this point of the season.

Again, while I appreciate every. single. poll. ;) ...........................I'm not going to predict how cute the newborn will look when mom's is just entering the 9th month. :)

Now with hoops in the books......................we can turn our attention to America's Passion (as baseball is our Pastime) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 17, 2020, 01:33:35 PM
basketball in the centennial is generally, historically gentlemanly, which is a function of the high ethics of the schools in the conference. over the years play has gotten even less physical, similar to the nba.i think that is what we all want...sportsmanship and clean play.but if a team gets physical, i see no inherent problem with it. it sounds like ithaca was physical, but whether they were dirty is another question as physical play is not necessarily dirty play. i wasn't there so i can't say. what i can say is that i watched swat many times this season and find it hard to believe that they have consistently been the # 1 team all season. they were good, play well together, had a couple of good bigs, a bunch of shooters and are disciplined. my view is that a group of athletes who were well coached would beat them consistently as swat lacks athleticism, speed, quickness and risk. they play slow, methodical and controlled basketball to a point of it bordering on boredom. they only take well selected shots which, yes, is what we want but all in all it is pretty flavorless basketball. that doesn't take away from the great job landry has done and how good the players are together. i see that and know that it is extremely difficult to achieve. but it does baffle me that there was not one team in the country in D3 that had a group of athletes that could defend, harass, intimidate and get up and down on offense to handle swat easily. on another note, relevant to the recent posts, perhaps swat and landry are starting to feel a bit of arrogance and feel like physical play is inappropriate and disrespectful when employed by their opposition? that their style is superior and resorting to physical play is crude, a low level of play? if a team, school and coach feel that they should not be met with aggressive play, how do they feel about a player being verbally harassed by homophobic student fans? what if a swat player was yelled at in that manner? was there a discussion with those students by swat deans, administrators, faculty, other students who one would assume were at the game? were they asked to leave or reprimanded at all? perhaps that is worth considering. perhaps some idea of privilege/superiority might account for the coexistence between the ideas that swat players shouldn't be exposed to aggressive play and simultaneously members of their community exhibit disrespectful, homophobic verbal abuse towards an opposing player. who yells such things in this day and age, particularly those affiliated with swarthmore college?? worth thinking about. also, awarding a championship to any team when a championship game was not actually played seems somewhat ludicrous. any true player would not find that meaningful or fulfilling.but it is an original thought! stay safe, healthy everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 17, 2020, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 17, 2020, 01:33:35 PM
basketball in the centennial is generally, historically gentlemanly, which is a function of the high ethics of the schools in the conference. over the years play has gotten even less physical, similar to the nba.i think that is what we all want...sportsmanship and clean play.but if a team gets physical, i see no inherent problem with it. it sounds like ithaca was physical, but whether they were dirty is another question as physical play is not necessarily dirty play. i wasn't there so i can't say. what i can say is that i watched swat many times this season and find it hard to believe that they have consistently been the # 1 team all season. they were good, play well together, had a couple of good bigs, a bunch of shooters and are disciplined. my view is that a group of athletes who were well coached would beat them consistently as swat lacks athleticism, speed, quickness and risk. they play slow, methodical and controlled basketball to a point of it bordering on boredom. they only take well selected shots which, yes, is what we want but all in all it is pretty flavorless basketball. that doesn't take away from the great job landry has done and how good the players are together. i see that and know that it is extremely difficult to achieve. but it does baffle me that there was not one team in the country in D3 that had a group of athletes that could defend, harass, intimidate and get up and down on offense to handle swat easily. on another note, relevant to the recent posts, perhaps swat and landry are starting to feel a bit of arrogance and feel like physical play is inappropriate and disrespectful when employed by their opposition? that their style is superior and resorting to physical play is crude, a low level of play? if a team, school and coach feel that they should not be met with aggressive play, how do they feel about a player being verbally harassed by homophobic student fans? what if a swat player was yelled at in that manner? was there a discussion with those students by swat deans, administrators, faculty, other students who one would assume were at the game? were they asked to leave or reprimanded at all? perhaps that is worth considering. perhaps some idea of privilege/superiority might account for the coexistence between the ideas that swat players shouldn't be exposed to aggressive play and simultaneously members of their community exhibit disrespectful, homophobic verbal abuse towards an opposing player. who yells such things in this day and age, particularly those affiliated with swarthmore college?? worth thinking about. also, awarding a championship to any team when a championship game was not actually played seems somewhat ludicrous. any true player would not find that meaningful or fulfilling.but it is an original thought! stay safe, healthy everyone.

THIS, the post above..................is THE post of the year. I can add very little to what was stated.

As a Swat grad, I should be offended that you found it hard to believe that they have consistently been the #1 team all season. ;)

As an astute basketball fan, taking off my blinders, you are spot on and I truly believe it's a function of the parity in D-III hoops this year and the lack of any 'powerhouse'.

A handful of powerhouses do exist in D-III football year in and year out. There were none in hoops, including my alma mater. A large number of very good teams? Heck yea! A couple of dominant teams that we'll be talking about 20 years from now? Oh......heck no!

O'Dell could have used most of the Ithaca players as dental floss. Physical game? Not really, but it depends on one's perspective. Dirty? Not in one million years. I've seen more physical, dirty play in the Philadelphia Catholic League GIRLS basketball.

Let's see what Landry does next year with the track record he has quickly built up and the national recruiting footprint that many schools at this level don't enjoy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: txg on March 18, 2020, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: centfan on March 17, 2020, 01:33:35 PMwhat i can say is that i watched swat many times this season and find it hard to believe that they have consistently been the # 1 team all season. they were good, play well together, had a couple of good bigs, a bunch of shooters and are disciplined. my view is that a group of athletes who were well coached would beat them consistently as swat lacks athleticism, speed, quickness and risk. they play slow, methodical and controlled basketball to a point of it bordering on boredom. they only take well selected shots which, yes, is what we want but all in all it is pretty flavorless basketball. that doesn't take away from the great job landry has done and how good the players are together. i see that and know that it is extremely difficult to achieve. but it does baffle me that there was not one team in the country in D3 that had a group of athletes that could defend, harass, intimidate and get up and down on offense to handle swat easily.

This is shockingly dismissive.  They lack athleticism, speed, quickness and risk (whatever that means)?  They play slow and boring basketball?  They averaged 80 points per game, highest in the conference.  They were 28-1.  I mean, reasonable people can disagree on who the #1 team was.  But I don't think anyone should pretend that voting Swat #1 is somehow outlandish.

It's nice that you acknowledge the great job that Kosmalski did.  Indeed, he must be the greatest coach in the history of basketball, to get so much out of a bunch of slow and nonathletic players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 18, 2020, 09:21:32 PM
txg
i didn't mean to shock you,i just wanted to share my opinion. to me swat plays successful, textbook (but dull) basketball. landry has trained them very well and recruits strong role players. and since he took over he has proven himself to be a dominant coach in d3, (though i am not ready to say he is the best in the history of basketball). but the team doesn't (or isn't allowed to) take very many chances. and hearing that a team far smaller than them played physically and coach complained doesn't endear me to them either. having watched centennial basketball for about 12 years, i find this year to be a down year. and due to unfortunate circumstances, we'll never know who the best team in D3 was this year when the going got tough, despite the weekly idea that swat was the best. swat didn't get it done last year with a strong guard and leader in wiley, and my instinct is that they would have struggled this year if faced with bigger, more athletic guards and a solid big on an opposing team. but we will never know. oh, and "risk", by the way, is a term used to express the willingness to take chances and possibly fail. (it's generally not  basketball jargon, which might be why you were confused). when one (or a team) is overly invested in control, risk diminishes and sometimes disappears. part of the excitement in sports is watching athletes reach beyond what they can do and attempt something more challenging, and sometimes paying a price for it. i don't see that in swat's brand of play, which is a big reason why they didn't excite me. i saw their basketball i.q., patience, shooting ability, competitive spirit, discipline, confidence, good manners and depth, but lots of things that i love about the game they don't possess. i hope that helps.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2020, 01:48:58 PM
I found nothing about Swathmore dull. Seen them a number of times in person and their ability to not only styme a team on defense but then cut through them like a hot knife through butter on offense was incredible. I think of the game at JHU when it was a tough battle in the first half (Hopkins leading for some time). The second half started and Swarthmore came out like a cannon ball. They absolutely went crazy cutting through the Hopkins defense while at the same time shutting down JHU on the other end of the floor. It wasn't dull. It was incredible.

Are they flashy with big dunks and fast-break highlights? No. But they aren't dull by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centfan on March 20, 2020, 04:56:14 PM
thanks, dave, i appreciate your thoughts.
it's all rather subjective.
swat is well coached but words like "cannon ball" and "incredible" just don't apply for me when it comes to swat but, as you know, that's what makes the world go round.
we can certainly meet in agreement that they were a solid, effective team.
thanks for all your work on these sites...i am sure i speak for all in saying it is appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on May 02, 2020, 07:42:39 PM
Will FnM name AD or new HC first?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on May 06, 2020, 08:31:28 AM
Strong recruiting class for F&M has certainly helped Nichay stake a claim. The D1 assistant from Rice is local to F&M, played in the local high school league (The Lancaster Lebanon League "LL"), went to Colgate and was several time all league, coached at Hobart and as mentioned is at Rice- talk about academic. If I were Nichay I'd be concerned that the rest of the league has seen an uptick in success hiring D1 assistants (Haverford, JHU, WAC, Swat)... for Nichay having Jeremiah Henry in staff certainly garners for him tons (TONS) of alumni and local support. Interesting situation and case can be greatly made for either finalist.

I'm shocked the other two finalists were D3 assistant coaches. It's FnM!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 06, 2020, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 02, 2020, 07:42:39 PM
Will FnM name AD or new HC first?

Apparently they will be hiring the MBB coach soon from what I have been told.

And CCHoopster, the other two finalists who were DIII assistants come from pretty good programs with plenty of experience.

Remember, Robinson didn't exactly have a wealth of experience when he was hired. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on May 06, 2020, 09:00:30 PM
I'm sure they were from great programs (JHU ie). I just assumed there would be more D1 assistant finalists, Ivy/Patriot type and some D3 head coaches. Certainly not taking anything away from anyone involved regardless of current position. That's great to hear three DIII assistants had a shot at it.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 14, 2020, 11:20:53 AM
From what I'm hearing, F&M should be announcing their hire today (Thursday) ... though, with COVID-19 a delay wouldn't be the most surprising thing.

I do know who the choice is, but for several reasons I will keep it to myself.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on May 14, 2020, 05:00:19 PM
https://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2020-21/releases/20200514lqagvn (https://godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2020-21/releases/20200514lqagvn)

Nichay Named Head Coach of the F&M Men's Basketball Program
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 15, 2020, 02:56:20 PM

Meh......

Kind of like the ending of Seinfeld.

Good for him though.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 15, 2020, 04:36:46 PM
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On this "Hoopsville Podcast: May Edition (Part 2)", we talk about what is arguably one of the most significant retirement classes of coaches in the history of Division III - especially on the men's side of things.

Pat Coleman, Ryan Scott, and Bob Quillman join Dave McHugh to chat about those who retired, the number of wins and the high-level of success they had, and even if trying to have a Mt. Rushmore of DIII coaching who might be considered (some coaches you may have forgotten about are mentioned).

Plus - if not for the number of significant retirements, the biggest news in Division III off-season so far would likely be Eric Bridgeland picking up and moving to Southern California. Bridgeland joins Dave to talk about his Whitman program, the success, and the decision to start anew at Redlands and the SCIAC.

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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2020, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 15, 2020, 02:56:20 PM

Meh......

Kind of like the ending of Seinfeld.

Good for him though.

That made me chuckle. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on May 25, 2020, 09:30:48 AM
Great for Nick. That's a national job and one of the better ones in the country... I think he has 3 years to show he can take them where I believe alumni/admin/fans think they should be- top of league and national contenders (call it top 20-30. Great financial aid packages, history and program legacy, academics, full time assistant coach at 46-52k with second assistant around 10k... recruiting resources endless. Ability to get international kids at a fraction of the cost vs other Centennials. They need to show success sooner than later!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on May 25, 2020, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 25, 2020, 09:30:48 AM
Great for Nick. That's a national job and one of the better ones in the country... I think he has 3 years to show he can take them where I believe alumni/admin/fans think they should be- top of league and national contenders (call it top 20-30. Great financial aid packages, history and program legacy, academics, full time assistant coach at 46-52k with second assistant around 10k... recruiting resources endless. Ability to get international kids at a fraction of the cost vs other Centennials. They need to show success sooner than later!

With most of the same advantages, one wonders why the F&M women's basketball program hasn't been similarly successful over the years.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 26, 2020, 03:52:52 PM
I think some of these "advantages" are alumni-based programs. A lot of schools (RMC comes to mind) have assistant coaching positions that are basically paid for by alumni donations and such. Some schools have them, some teams have them, many do not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on May 27, 2020, 02:53:05 PM
Interesting hire....and without an AD.  I understand the times we are living in....however, it took a while before this was announced.  Also, why wouldn't they wait for a new AD to be in place before the hire?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 29, 2020, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: wvcfan1 on May 27, 2020, 02:53:05 PM
Interesting hire....and without an AD.  I understand the times we are living in....however, it took a while before this was announced.  Also, why wouldn't they wait for a new AD to be in place before the hire?

So in one comment you mention "it took awhile before this was announced" and in another question you ask "why wouldn't they wait for a new AD to be in place before the hire?"

I don't think you can have it both ways. I also don't think it took awhile. Seemed to be about the average time I've seen especially considering the beginning of the search was likely slowed by priorities being focused on the coronavirus and its impact on all athletics.

As for not waiting for an AD, that is a long wait. Athletic Director positions tend to be the longest in terms of time taken to make a hire in the athletic department. The only reason to wait would be if the search is nearing an end OR the coach search was botched and starting over under new leadership would make sense (look at Scranton women's basketball when they eventually hired Trevor Woodroof).

A number of coaches are hired under interim ADs ... they are in those positions for reasons like these.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 01, 2020, 09:09:00 PM
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First, we apologize for the "June Podcast" showing up in early July. Computer problems caused havoc this month. Sadly, it delayed our production plans for several weeks, but we are calling this our June edition all the same.

When the season came to a sudden close, it left a lot of unfinished business on our end. We didn't have national champions to talk to, but we also had a lot of news to cover. This podcast we take some time to do some catching-up with the season's number one men's team and the Jostens Trophy winners - with Gordon Mann and Ryan Scott picking up the interviewing responsibilities.

And we all know the coronavirus has changed everything this year, but how close to home has it hit you? We talk to one coach who experienced it himself first hand while also having his wife be diagnosed with COVID-19 days after giving birth to their first child.

Guests include:
- Matt Airy, Aurora men's coach
- Sydney Kopp, No. 11 DePauw's Jostens Trophy winner (interviewed by Gordon Mann)
- Kena Gilmour, Hamilton's Jostens Trophy winner (interviewed by Ryan Scott)
- Landry Kosmolski, No. 1 Swarthmore men's coach

Oh, did we mention the Hoopsville Notebook? It is a jam-packed notebook this edition. Plenty of notes regarding coaching hires and changes, athletic decisions per COVID-19, Regional Ranking updates, and much more.

Dave also takes the time to say goodbye to Chris Wenzler, Sports Information Director at John Carroll University, who lost his 26-month battle with cancer. This month's show is dedicated in his honor.

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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on July 02, 2020, 08:06:03 PM
Not sure if you were all aware of this, but the following is the update to athletics at Swarthmore College. All Fall and First Semester Sports are cancelled. That means at least 8-10 basketball games will either be moved to second semester or not played even if there is a season.

"What we know is that there will be no athletic competition until after the fall semester. We will work continuously with the Swarthmore COVID-19 team, our own COVID-19 team, the Centennial Conference COVID-19 team, and the NCAA to consider any options for competition for fall/winter sports in the winter and/or spring."
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 02, 2020, 08:12:15 PM
Here is a complete list of the schools, so far, that have made fall/first semester decisions on sports. They total 13.

There will be more, but I am not sure how many more. I know even in the NESCAC I'm told not every school agrees with the idea of shutting down sports competitively. And I know that in the Centennial while Swarthmore will likely be joined by Haverford and Bryn Mawr, the rest of the conference may not be on board with the idea either.

It seems those with healthy endowments who could weather the financial hit this kind of decision could cause (there is more to these decisions than just sports; entire campus is affected with these overall decisions) are the ones pulling the triggers on these. Those who need enrollment and tuition dollars to remain in good shape are the ones doing everything they can to keep fall/first semester sports in place.

And of course ... this could all change in a matter of weeks. This pandemic is hard to figure out from the virus to the management to the response and anything else you can think about. We could be in a very different situation in a month that changes everything.

I said to colleagues that I hope those who have shut down sports for the fall/first semester look crazy or even foolish in a few months time. That is NOT to say I think their decisions are wrong or an overreaction. I simply hope that we have gotten a better handle of the virus and maybe even ways of finally fighting it off have come along that these decisions in a few months time will look premature. That said, if these decisions look incredible smart and forward thinking ... then it likely means we are in no better a place and things are not well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:05:31 PM
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The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.

The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.

What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?

On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.

Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).

Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.

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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on August 31, 2020, 09:15:31 AM
As we approach September, is there any word yet on second semester basketball or does it look like there may not be a season? I ask because today Swarthmore has closed its campus to anyone not attending the college.

And while it may not be a popular opinion, I truly feel that Swarthmore should be awarded a National Championship. Throughout my life, many National Championships came as a result of voting. Swarthmore was #1 in ever single poll last year. Every Single Poll. I would have no problem with an asterisk being placed next to them in record books, but it just feels hollow that a team that was #1 for the entire year isn't named National Champs. Again, I know it isn't a popular opinion, I just think Swat deserves it.

Here is hoping the second semester brings back at least a partial schedule and we can enjoy what we all love.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 31, 2020, 10:38:47 AM
Schools can claim whatever they want.  Most of those "national titles" so many football schools claim on the basis of poll voting aren't officially titles.  Nothing stops Swat from putting a banner up in the gym.


As for playing in the Spring.  I believe there will be basketball and probably a tournament of some kind.  Do I expect every school will participate?  No way.  Schools are going to need some cover somewhere - either national infection numbers that show clear progress or a successful and widespread vaccine program.  Schools that currently have students on campus will probably find a way to play sports after the new year.  Schools that aren't letting anyone on campus are much more up in the air.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 31, 2020, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on August 31, 2020, 09:15:31 AM
And while it may not be a popular opinion, I truly feel that Swarthmore should be awarded a National Championship. Throughout my life, many National Championships came as a result of voting. Swarthmore was #1 in ever single poll last year. Every Single Poll. I would have no problem with an asterisk being placed next to them in record books, but it just feels hollow that a team that was #1 for the entire year isn't named National Champs. Again, I know it isn't a popular opinion, I just think Swat deserves it.

Well, it's the NCAA that awards the official national championship, so if you can get them on board with this idea, why not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: WUPHF on August 31, 2020, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on August 31, 2020, 09:15:31 AM
Swarthmore was #1 in ever single poll last year. Every Single Poll.

Ken Massey has Randolph-Macon ranked No. 1 and Swarthmore at No. 6, so...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 31, 2020, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on August 31, 2020, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on August 31, 2020, 09:15:31 AM
And while it may not be a popular opinion, I truly feel that Swarthmore should be awarded a National Championship. Throughout my life, many National Championships came as a result of voting. Swarthmore was #1 in ever single poll last year. Every Single Poll. I would have no problem with an asterisk being placed next to them in record books, but it just feels hollow that a team that was #1 for the entire year isn't named National Champs. Again, I know it isn't a popular opinion, I just think Swat deserves it.

Well, it's the NCAA that awards the official national championship, so if you can get them on board with this idea, why not.

The NCAA has already said there is no trophy to hand out. And you have to play the game to get the trophy, right? Sucks, but ...
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 31, 2020, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on August 31, 2020, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on August 31, 2020, 09:15:31 AM
Swarthmore was #1 in ever single poll last year. Every Single Poll.

Ken Massey has Randolph-Macon ranked No. 1 and Swarthmore at No. 6, so...

Having seen both teams ... Massey can have all the algorithms he wants, but I wouldn't agree. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on September 01, 2020, 09:11:53 AM
Ursinus played RMC once and Swat twice last year.  Bears lost all three games but all were close, 54-50 to RMC, 88-86 and 81-76 to Swat.  Both were excellent teams.  I watched all three games and think RMC was better defensively and Swat offensively. In my opinion,  Swat was the better team overall. But, I still think you need to win the games to win the championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: WUPHF on September 01, 2020, 10:51:31 AM
Definitely have to play the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: blue_jays on September 01, 2020, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 01, 2020, 10:51:31 AM
Definitely have to play the games.

Agreed, you can't play the games for a national title for as many decades as we have and now arbitrarily hand it to the top ranked team at the time. Wheaton College (IL) didn't even win their conference 2 seasons ago, but Aston Francis put on the greatest scoring display in D3 history to pull them right into the Final Four. All it takes is one bad game for Swat to get the boot, so awarding a title is disingenuous to all the other teams.
Besides, would we do that for the baseball season when some teams literally played less than 10 games this past spring?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: WUPHF on September 02, 2020, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: blue_jays on September 01, 2020, 01:45:32 PM
Wheaton College (IL) didn't even win their conference 2 seasons ago, but Aston Francis put on the greatest scoring display in D3 history to pull them right into the Final Four.

As an aside, I wish the NCAA or whomever owns the broadcast would start posting more of these games on YouTube.  I would love to see that one again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 02, 2020, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 02, 2020, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: blue_jays on September 01, 2020, 01:45:32 PM
Wheaton College (IL) didn't even win their conference 2 seasons ago, but Aston Francis put on the greatest scoring display in D3 history to pull them right into the Final Four.

As an aside, I wish the NCAA or whomever owns the broadcast would start posting more of these games on YouTube.  I would love to see that one again.

The final four games are on NCAA.com .. the championships (since 2013) should be, but CBS Sports can be weird with supply those.

Previous rounds could be found at the schools who host the games. That said, many of them have streaming providers who ask/require their archives be blown out ever year or two.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: WUPHF on September 02, 2020, 03:51:43 PM
Thanks Dave! That is helpful. And, it does seem as though most schools only go back 1-2 seasons.

I know it is a lot of work, but I wish more schools moved games to YouTube.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 02, 2020, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 02, 2020, 03:51:43 PM
Thanks Dave! That is helpful. And, it does seem as though most schools only go back 1-2 seasons.

I know it is a lot of work, but I wish more schools moved games to YouTube.

It is more than work ... because of music and other things that tend to run in the background, YT can be a pain in the ass and randomly remove games until you clear whatever trademark and copyright infringements the automated bots pick up in the video.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2020, 06:26:23 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 12, 2020, 09:57:09 AM
Anyone know if any decision has been made regarding this season? It would seem to me plans would have to be in place by now if they were going to play. I've googled and read everything I could but can't find an answer. Anyone in the know have any insights? Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 12, 2020, 03:25:23 PM
No, but NESCAC has announced they are canceling the winter season so guess the CC will do the same soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 13, 2020, 06:56:06 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: WUPHF on October 13, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
Swarthmore College Athletics
@SwatAthletics
UPDATE: In light of the most recent campus update, Swarthmore will not be participating in intercollegiate competition in spring 2021. Read President Smith's announcement here: https://swarthmore.edu/presidents-off
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2020, 10:16:36 PM
https://www.swarthmore.edu/presidents-office/planning-spring-semester
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nescac1 on October 22, 2020, 07:40:41 PM
Big time big man recruit for Swarthmore, Aidan Godfrey.  Ranked 38 in New England ... very rare for players in the top 50 to go D3 ...

https://newenglandrecruitingreport.com/recruits/aidan-godfrey-2021
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 22, 2020, 11:40:26 PM
Wow, seems he turned down Cornell and other D1 schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2020, 12:20:34 PM
That honestly isn't as big a surprise for me. Many DIII recruits in other parts of the country make these similar decisions. Yeshiva, thanks in part to it's unique situation, got one of the better DI recruits in a similar way. It may seem crazy, but these types of recruits that are clearly looking at particular schools are picking DIII schools - especially top ones competitively and academically - because they know they will have a chance at conference and national titles while also getting a solid education. Many of these schools are also positioned with their coaches to help them continue playing pro in Europe or elsewhere while ALSO positioning the students for careers and jobs after college or the pros.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 07:10:23 PM
Hello friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
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Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nescac1 on November 01, 2020, 08:46:39 PM
Another strong New England recruit for Swarthmore:

https://twitter.com/necorridorhoops/status/1323077042292854790?s=21
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 02, 2020, 12:31:40 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on November 01, 2020, 08:46:39 PM
Another strong New England recruit for Swarthmore:

https://twitter.com/necorridorhoops/status/1323077042292854790?s=21

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Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2020, 04:39:55 PM

I'm watching Georgio Milligan play PG for the US Virgin Islands basketball team on ESPN+ right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: CCD3Basketball on November 30, 2020, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2020, 04:39:55 PM

I'm watching Georgio Milligan play PG for the US Virgin Islands basketball team on ESPN+ right now.

Man, what a nightmare that guy was when he played against your team, but fun to watch otherwise
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2020, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on November 30, 2020, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2020, 04:39:55 PM

I'm watching Georgio Milligan play PG for the US Virgin Islands basketball team on ESPN+ right now.

Man, what a nightmare that guy was when he played against your team, but fun to watch otherwise

I watched about 15 minutes of the USVI game.  I'm pretty sure Georgio's regular pickup game in NY is a higher level of play.  He was the only reliable scorer, but he didn't even run down the floor to defend fast breaks.  Not quite "serious" basketball the context might indicate.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2020, 04:31:23 PM
Centennial has called off winter competition and tournaments (along with fall)... but schools have the autonomy to schedule their own games if they want (though, the press release falls WELL short of actually saying that): https://centennial.prestosports.com/sports/general/2020-21/fall-winter_statement
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
Big development at Johns Hopkins:

https://twitter.com/davemchugh/status/1347234307815989248

https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1347234781671653383
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 17, 2021, 10:09:02 PM
Is he done playing hoop?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2021, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: Swat Fan #1 on January 17, 2021, 10:09:02 PM
Is he done playing hoop?

For this "season," yes. No chance.

But I get the sense he will be back for his final season at JHU.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2021, 02:44:51 PM
In news for an outstanding former F&M All American player, Chris Finch has now reached his longtime goal.

About 2 weeks ago he became the new Head coach of the NBAs Minnesota Timberwolves. I wish him well. It was a long journey through UKs National team , European leagues, the NBAs D-League as head coach, Assistant or bench coaches for at least 3 NBA teams, particularly with the Houston Rockets to land the top spot in Minnesota.

He played for some of the best Dip teams ever until he graduated in 1992. I saw his team play in my only trip as spectator to D3 Final 4 in 1991. Although they lost a hard fought game to a bigger, deeper Wisc-Platteville team coached by Bo Ryan (also a D3 grad from Wilkes) it was still exhilarating for me. My more positive memory was F&M then considered a sold underdog in Semis against Ramapo. But the Dips did 2 amazing things, 1st had a 26-0 run to get control of of game and then rolled to a 52 point win, which was and may still be a FF record for margin of victory.

In any case an honor well deserved for a D3 player who worked his way through the hoops ranks to be an NBA head coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2021, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2021, 02:44:51 PM
In news for an outstanding former F&M All American player, Chris Finch has now reached his longtime goal.

About 2 weeks ago he became the new Head coach of the NBAs Minnesota Timberwolves. I wish him well. It was a long journey through UKs National team , European leagues, the NBAs D-League as head coach, Assistant or bench coaches for at least 3 NBA teams, particularly with the Houston Rockets to land the top spot in Minnesota.

He played for some of the best Dip teams ever until he graduated in 1992. I saw his team play in my only trip as spectator to D3 Final 4 in 1991. Although they lost a hard fought game to a bigger, deeper Wisc-Platteville team coached by Bo Ryan (also a D3 grad from Wilkes) it was still exhilarating for me. My more positive memory was F&M then considered a sold underdog in Semis against Ramapo. But the Dips did 2 amazing things, 1st had a 26-0 run to get control of of game and then rolled to a 52 point win, which was and may still be a FF record for margin of victory.

In any case an honor well deserved for a D3 player who worked his way through the hoops ranks to be an NBA head coach.

How did that happen in a FF semi?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2021, 04:15:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 08, 2021, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on March 08, 2021, 02:44:51 PM
In news for an outstanding former F&M All American player, Chris Finch has now reached his longtime goal.

About 2 weeks ago he became the new Head coach of the NBAs Minnesota Timberwolves. I wish him well. It was a long journey through UKs National team , European leagues, the NBAs D-League as head coach, Assistant or bench coaches for at least 3 NBA teams, particularly with the Houston Rockets to land the top spot in Minnesota.

He played for some of the best Dip teams ever until he graduated in 1992. I saw his team play in my only trip as spectator to D3 Final 4 in 1991. Although they lost a hard fought game to a bigger, deeper Wisc-Platteville team coached by Bo Ryan (also a D3 grad from Wilkes) it was still exhilarating for me. My more positive memory was F&M then considered a sold underdog in Semis against Ramapo. But the Dips did 2 amazing things, 1st had a 26-0 run to get control of of game and then rolled to a 52 point win, which was and may still be a FF record for margin of victory.

In any case an honor well deserved for a D3 player who worked his way through the hoops ranks to be an NBA head coach.

How did that happen in a FF semi?

It was actually a 53-point win.  109-56.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 29, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
How many D3 colleges have graduate programs?  Does having a grad program give some colleges an advantage when it comes to retaining players in any sport?  For example a student who graduates from a college having no grad program, their career is done at that school.  However a student who graduates from a college with a grad problem can continue to play as a grad if they have an eligibility left.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 29, 2021, 04:32:55 PM
Reserved Seat, Welcome back! I missed your always thoughtful input. Liked your question on post grad eligibility for D3 sports.  Narrowing it down to just the CC, I have not researched it yet but I do know that JHU and Dickinson have PG programs and Ursinus does not. What about the other schools?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on October 29, 2021, 05:42:22 PM
JHU is only CC school with true grad programs, so definite advantage for them within conference. Dickinson has one Grad program in disaster management (new this year) and the DC/PSU Law School.  There are little to no grad student athletes at Dickinson.  I believe Muhlenberg and McDaniel have a very limited set of grad programs as well.  But like DC, you don't see grad student athletes at these schools.  In regards to men's hoops in CC, what you see following the covid year are pockets of student athletes on select teams who took a gap year or gap semester to gain back their missed year of hoops.  In the case of Swarthmore, who has national championship aspirations, they took a different route of having nearly the entire roster take a gap year/semester, full time internships, etc. and not lose anyone who would have graduated in 2021 and have all other key players retain their class status from 20-21 year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on October 30, 2021, 11:31:10 AM
Stretch4, Thanks for your input. About what I expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on October 31, 2021, 08:36:01 AM
I was going to respond regarding Swarthmore, but the above comment did an excellent job. I was shocked looking at this year's roster that everyone is back and took a gap year off. From what I've heard, they also have an excellent incoming class of recruits to add to their top three scorers returning. Glad to be back chatting about hoop as it has been a long time. Cheers y'all!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on October 31, 2021, 10:21:21 AM
I had to look that up re: Swat returning top 3 scorers.  No doubt a much different looking team but still very skilled and experienced.  I don't believe all CC teams have releases rosters and am curious what the JHU squad will look like.  You would think they will be the pre-season conference favorite.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2021, 01:20:46 PM

I went to the Swat scrimmage with WilmingtonU in Delaware yesterday.  The team is still deep and relentless as ever.  They played 11 in the "regular" session - clearly Landry has 10 guys he's very comfortable starting.  The freshman, Mulvey, was very impressive.  He had a lot of confidence on both sides of the floor and looked a lot like Deangelo.  There's going to be a big learning curve for the bigs - the half court offense seemed to bog down a bit - guys not quite knowing where to go or where to look, but they still scored almost 90 in 40 minutes.  Plenty of time to get things right.  They're definitely throwing some new wrinkles out - I suspect they'll have the ability to change tactics more dramatically this year, depending on opponent.

It's just hard playing a team that throw full line changes at you the entire game without giving up any performance.  Few teams can hang with that kind of pace and pressure for 40 minutes.  The Swat-JHU matchups should be fantastic.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on October 31, 2021, 01:32:57 PM
Ryan, I agree 90 points against a D2 squad this early in year is pretty impressive!  To your point, a lot of teams will be carrying extra guys but how comfortable will the coach be in playing them or, at a minimum, running the risk of getting no rhythm while on the court.  When is the Centennial coaches poll and preview slated to come out?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on October 31, 2021, 01:46:28 PM
Swat does return their 3 leading scorers, but it is a bit misleading in my opinion.  Shafer and O'Dell were just so unselfish, made such good decisions and really had so much to do with putting these 3 in position to score.  I agree that you are looking at a different Swat team this season. Swat's five best returning players are all guards/wings.  So I would expect to see a 4 guard line up.  They do have a lot of big bodies, and several of them are very talented, but they lack experience for sure.  So I would expect them to play smaller (especially to start the season) and rely on a rotation of bigs to rebound, defend, screen and knock down open lay ups.  Maybe as the season progresses guys like Tucker and Caprise break out?  Or maybe one or two of their talented first year bigs steps up? Definitely a super talented team, with a great deal of success and experience, but it is interesting because there are a number of questions around this team ... Does Harkins return to his shooting level he had as a soph (with a now deeper 3 pt line)? Do Ingram or Shaw pick up the scoring loss from Shafer and O'Dell?  Or is that on Visconti and D'Angelo?  How significant of a role does really talented First Year guard Mulvey have this year?  Are D'Angelo and Visconti comfortable assuming the leadership role?  Does a more regional, less challenging non-conference schedule hurt them in preparation for NCAA's in March?  It is clearly Swat and JHU at the top of the CC, but I think it may take a little while this season before Swat settles in to their true identity as a team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on October 31, 2021, 01:53:00 PM
Great post.  The other aspect about Shafer and O'Dell is that they were also excellent defensive players and knew exactly when and where to help.  I would expect Swat put a tremendous amount of pressure on the ball defensively to try and avoid other teams for dumping it down low.  One of the things to look at will be Swat's rebounding if they go four guard.  Not only will the JHU matchups be great but throw in the Mules and you have 3 very competitive squads.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2021, 02:41:23 PM

I've been told by several people to look out for Gettysburg, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 31, 2021, 02:47:05 PM

The Swat team I saw yesterday is obviously not as good as they were in March 2020, but they were certainly good enough that i'd expect them to make the second weekend of the NCAAs.

It was a bit of a luxury having the two star big men, but I get the sense Landry is really trying to put together a program with 10-12 pretty interchangeable guys, and they do very much look like that.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on October 31, 2021, 02:53:39 PM
Muhlenberg definitely has a starting 5 that can compete with JHU and Swat.  Experience, size, skill and toughness.  Plus Gaines may be the MVP of the conference.  Where I am less sure on Muhlenberg is their bench. A lot of unknowns there and depth could be an issue, especially against relentless, 40 minute teams like JHU and Swat.  I think we may get a good indication of where Muhlenberg sits early on, as they face a really tough PSU-Harrisburg team just a few games in to their schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on November 03, 2021, 02:51:31 PM
Pre-season poll out. Top 3 relatively predictable.

The remains teams are really hard to forecast given the roster changes.

Any surprises?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 04, 2021, 10:43:00 AM
Pre-season poll has some minor surprises (IMO).  Top 3 are easy and will likely not be challenged by remaining 7 for their spots.  Also, like you said, tough to tell with so many new players on the rosters.  With that said, I think there are some minor surprises in 4-10.  I think F&M at 4 may be based more on historical success and tradition.  Zero starters returning, extremely guard heavy and really only one player with major playing time returning.  They have several very strong recruits in their FY and So class, so a lot will be put on them to earn this ranking.  Ursinus is probably where they should be at 5, but I believe there are questions. They have all conference performer Hughes (who will very likely lead conf in scoring again) and will likely be asking 2 seniors to step up from reserve roles to major minutes - which could present a challenge. After that you are really depending on a roster full of inexperienced players.  They also have several very strong recruits in their FY and So class, but Coach Smalls typically plays a rotation of 7 players, with 5 guys running at 30+ minutes every night - Outside of Hughes, who are those guys?

I think there are two lower ranked teams that have underachieved in recent years that have the potential to surprise a bit this year and challenge for the number 5 spot - Gettysburg and Dickinson.  Gettysburg has done very well in the recruiting front and have at least 5 really strong recruits in their last two classes.  A good mix of experienced and new players in the front court with a great deal of skill, size and length, but they lack experience in their guards. Will need some of their talented FY and So guards to step up.  Roster is all of Coach Dunne's guys now, so I think there is plenty to be optimistic about there.  Dickinson has faced so many challenges in the the last two seasons with injuries to key players, transfers, etc.  Coach Seretti was really forced to play a different line up almost every game. As such, they never developed any consistency or chemistry despite having a pretty talented roster.  They have 3 starters returning and several other experienced contributors back.  They have also added a few very talented recruits in their FY and SO classes, particularly at the guard spots. I think with some consistency in their line up, you will see them finish much higher than their pre-season rankings.

Beyond the top 3, a lot of where teams fall in the 4-10 slots will depend on which teams gel the quickest with all of the new faces.  Will be interesting to see how it shakes out and will be interesting to see if anyone can challenge the big boys.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 04, 2021, 04:04:29 PM
Stretch4----Good take on the CC season. Lots of adjustments with essentially two freshman classes adjusting to a D3 pace. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 22, 2021, 11:08:17 AM
Entertaining game last night between Ursinus and Susquehanna. Final score 117-111---no overtime---a nail biter. It was tied 47-47 at halftime and Sus led 114-111 with seconds to play. The young Bears were faced with relentless full court pressure for the entire game and handled it, for the most part, quite well. They were careless several times inbounding the ball under the SUS basket and gave up at least 10 offensive rebounds. Both teams shot extremely well---- SUS 57.5% overall, 52.4% from 3 and 81.5 % FT---URS 61.9% overall, 56% from 3 and 76% FT.  Overall a great game to watch. SUS is a very good and relentless team----and very well coached.  URS is very young, but much more athletic than 2 years ago and also very well coached.  Ryan Hughes is the only returning starter and an outstanding one at that.  They start two true freshmen in Grubbs and Neylon, a 1st year soph (Wall) and a junior transfer (Mauer) along with Hughes.  Bears can score but, obviously, have some defensive issues. Word of caution----do not underestimate them in CC play as they will improve during the season and come to play every game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on December 22, 2021, 12:43:26 PM
Fast paced and entertaining game for sure last night. I think you have to be pleased and pleasantly surprised a bit with Ursinus so far this year.  There is a lot to be optimistic about.  Definitely have no issues scoring the basketball, shoot the ball extremely well and have played well in tight games (despite the loss last night).  Lots of talent on the roster and a bit more depth than recent years - should give some flexibility to Coach Smalls to expand the rotation a bit and not have to place too high of a burden on his starting five.  Have to be really happy with the play of newcomers Wall, Grubbs and Neylon.  Obvious concern is defense.  Allow too many easy looks (back door lay ups and wide open threes from their opponents way too often), and there needs to be an improved effort in rebounding as a team.  At this point, there seems to be no reason why they can't be the number three team in CC.  I still believe there is a lot of parity across the conference (minus Hopkins and Swat), and with Muhlenberg significantly under-achieving up to this point, the race for the 3-5 spots will be fun to watch.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on December 22, 2021, 01:34:18 PM
Stretch 4 Totally agree with your observations. Have a great holiday season.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 30, 2021, 11:47:09 AM
Been seeing F&M mostly online, except for nearby scranton ot loss which I saw in person. I was surprised they nearly had that game featuring tons of 1st year players.
I was also not expecting them to beat Alfred who came in with a 6-1 record.
Now they are playing highly ranked Wesleyan who has been destroying most of their opponents,  unless they make free throws and trifectas they likely won't be competative. Also seems like they have trouble in road games. Don't see them making playoffs this year, too inexperienced, but I imagine I'll go with the obvious that JHU & SWAT should run away with league honors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 12, 2022, 03:28:10 PM
Swat / Hopkins round one goes to Swat.  If you are a Swat fan, you had to really like their execution on both offense and defense down the stretch last night closing out last 4 minutes with a 17-5 run with zero turnovers, excellent foul shooting and strong rebounding.  Hopkins (in my opinion) had too much reliance on Delaney to carry them down the stretch.  They needed another player to step up in the last 4 minutes of the game and I didn't see anyone who took that challenge.  Granted their was way too much dribbling and trying to create by Delaney off screens, rather than moving the ball and possibly giving another player the opportunity to step up.  I would imagine the Hopkins coaches will have a different approach in the re-match.  Two really good, well rounded teams who will battle it out for Centennial Conference supremacy and NCAA seeding.  Nice games from Swat bigs Godfrey and Caprise. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on January 12, 2022, 05:42:58 PM
Agree with Stretch.  Game was well played and Swat just continued to hammer away and get good shots.  The emergence of their big men has certainly added another element to their play.  I have to wonder if wearing a mask hampered Quarry's play.  As it relates to CC, the Mules need to be able to play some games so we can see what might shake out from 3-5.  I don't know what the potential scheduling options might be but February might be awfully busy.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 16, 2022, 06:27:41 AM
Just wondering if anyone on here knows why Vinny DeAngelo (Swat's leading scorer) hasn't played the last two games. This board has been unusually quiet this year. Cheers and hope everyone is well!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 16, 2022, 10:29:09 AM
Good game between Ursinus and JHU yesterday with Hopkins winning 99-90.  Bears hung with JHU for most of the game----tied at 42 at the half. Bears just ran out of gas at the end. Bears can score but interior defense was a problem defending the much more mature Hopkins players.

Regarding SwatFan#1's question regarding missing Vinnie D, I have noticed Muhlenberg is missing several players too. I assume Covid or, perhaps, injuries. For the Bears, a couple of players have missed games due to Covid tests. It's a fact of life these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: txg on January 17, 2022, 07:46:04 AM
The announcer said during the Washington game on Wednesday that DeAngelo was injured and was "questionable" to play this past weekend (and he did not).  So hopefully it's not too serious and he will be back this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 17, 2022, 10:58:11 AM
Heard the injured comment as well in regards to DeAngelo.  My observation to this point in the Centennial is that covid has impacted available players on every team with the exception of Swat and Hopkins.  It is definitely an obstacle that teams need to work through and will likely be a factor for the rest of the season.  Also a reality that teams manage the return to play differently ... they follow ncaa guidelines, but beyond that schools clearly vary in when players return and in what capacity they return (i.e. full availability vs. partial availability for unspecified time).  Not sure how Swat and Hopkins seem to stay covid free.  Good for them, maybe they are just lucky? Then again, as a follower of Centennial Conference basketball my observation is that Swat and Hopkins have taken a different path (during the tenures of Kosmalski and Loeffler) in how they run their basketball programs than the rest of the conference ... obviously has worked for them in terms of producing highly successful teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2022, 11:18:59 AM


I know Swat has very strict COVID protocols for the campus in general - and one would assume something similar for Johns Hopkins, seeing that it's Johns Hopkins - that may have something to do with how they've fared so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on January 18, 2022, 06:59:55 AM
Thank you all. Hopefully we are rounding the corner on Covid and all teams can return to full health. I watched the game with the sound off so I missed that about Vinny. Cheers and Happy and Safe New Year!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 23, 2022, 12:30:35 PM
Down goes Swat! Huge victory for Dickinson to end Swat's long regular season winning streak in the Centennial Conference.  Swat shot a miserable 26% from the field, but if you watched the game you really need to credit Dickinson's defense. Absolutely would not give Harkins or Ingram any room to get an open look.  Visconti was forced in to repeated poor shot selection and they really took away Caprise in the second half after he was dominant in the first half.  Dickinson with a great job on the boards as Swat was out-rebounded by 10 (only the second time all year they were out-rebounded). Swat will be back (probably with vengeance), but great to see the Red Devils rise up to the challenge.

Crazy day in the Centennial.  In addition to Dickinson upset, Washington College gets first conference win with a big win over a previously surging Gettysburg, and McDaniel picks up a win over 3rd place Ursinus.  The parity beyond the top two teams continues.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on January 23, 2022, 12:52:29 PM
Crazy day indeed!

Any idea when Gaines may return for the Mules?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 24, 2022, 06:09:43 PM
No info on return of Gaines.  Not sure if it is Covid or something else.  I know they had 4 games in 7 days this past week and he missed all of them.  Not surprising that they struggled without him.  I know starters like Hoffman, Allen and Watson were out with Covid the week before, but returned for the past few games (although coming off the bench now).  Maybe it was Gaines turn to get Covid.  Hopefully it is a temporary thing and he returns as he is fun to watch.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centennial fan on January 26, 2022, 01:12:51 PM
Gaines was in a cast for Muhlenberg-Gettysburg last night, looks like an arm injury of some kind. Also, was listening to Hoopsville around last week sometime and heard Dave mention that Hopkins had some internal conflicts but said it was hard to elaborate on. Was wondering if anyone knew more about that or if Dave could give an explanation.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2022, 01:42:14 PM
Quote from: centennial fan on January 26, 2022, 01:12:51 PM
Gaines was in a cast for Muhlenberg-Gettysburg last night, looks like an arm injury of some kind. Also, was listening to Hoopsville around last week sometime and heard Dave mention that Hopkins had some internal conflicts but said it was hard to elaborate on. Was wondering if anyone knew more about that or if Dave could give an explanation.

I don't believe there's any internal conflict or chemistry issue.

I think Dave was referencing a conversation I had with him (off camera) about how much of JHU's offense is just Delaney with the ball in his hands.  I've posited that Lincoln Yuetter is really valuable as a PG, but isn't able to contribute as much off the ball.  It seems like they've struggled to play both he and Delaney at the same time, because they both naturally want to be running the offense.  I thought Dave was going to bring this idea up and then maybe, as is common with live broadcasting, decided he didn't have the time to do it justice and moved on.

I've not talked to Josh Loeffler about this, so its total speculation (which is also probably why Dave decided not to bring it up), but I wonder if bringing Yuetter in as a transfer was, in part, to be a Delaney replacement (at least as ball handler).  The 2020-21 season would've given him a chance to acclimate to the team in Delaney's final year and then take over this year.  COVID messed up that time schedule.

Again - all speculation on my part - but I do think it's clear JHU is not consistently playing to the level we expect or they're capable of.  This was just my putting forth an idea as to why that might be.  I'm just as likely to be wrong as right, but there you have it.  I think Delaney could do just fine as an off guard with Yuetter bringing the ball up, but I'm also not going to presume to tell Josh Loeffler how to coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 28, 2022, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 23, 2022, 12:30:35 PM
Down goes Swat! Huge victory for Dickinson to end Swat's long regular season winning streak in the Centennial Conference.  Swat shot a miserable 26% from the field, but if you watched the game you really need to credit Dickinson's defense. Absolutely would not give Harkins or Ingram any room to get an open look.  Visconti was forced in to repeated poor shot selection and they really took away Caprise in the second half after he was dominant in the first half.  Dickinson with a great job on the boards as Swat was out-rebounded by 10 (only the second time all year they were out-rebounded). Swat will be back (probably with vengeance), but great to see the Red Devils rise up to the challenge.

Crazy day in the Centennial.  In addition to Dickinson upset, Washington College gets first conference win with a big win over a previously surging Gettysburg, and McDaniel picks up a win over 3rd place Ursinus.  The parity beyond the top two teams continues.

I guess my beloved Swatters are going to have to sprint even faster from and to the locker room going forward!!:)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 29, 2022, 11:09:05 AM
Not going to lie here, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Swat go down for the second game in a row with another poor showing. Outrebounded again and another tough night of shooting.  I totally respect their players and their program, but just not a big fan of the evil empire arrogance that Kosmalski and staff display from the sidelines (sit behind their bench within ear shot and you will know what I mean).  With that said, they have an opportunity to make it all good with a win over Hopkins. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2022, 11:32:57 AM
The Hoopsville Marathon is here!

(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=6pwgx/r9wqvnwufi9rtj30.jpg)

The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathon

This year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.

The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.

Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2022, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2022, 01:42:14 PM
Quote from: centennial fan on January 26, 2022, 01:12:51 PM
Gaines was in a cast for Muhlenberg-Gettysburg last night, looks like an arm injury of some kind. Also, was listening to Hoopsville around last week sometime and heard Dave mention that Hopkins had some internal conflicts but said it was hard to elaborate on. Was wondering if anyone knew more about that or if Dave could give an explanation.

I don't believe there's any internal conflict or chemistry issue.

I think Dave was referencing a conversation I had with him (off camera) about how much of JHU's offense is just Delaney with the ball in his hands.  I've posited that Lincoln Yuetter is really valuable as a PG, but isn't able to contribute as much off the ball.  It seems like they've struggled to play both he and Delaney at the same time, because they both naturally want to be running the offense.  I thought Dave was going to bring this idea up and then maybe, as is common with live broadcasting, decided he didn't have the time to do it justice and moved on.

I've not talked to Josh Loeffler about this, so its total speculation (which is also probably why Dave decided not to bring it up), but I wonder if bringing Yuetter in as a transfer was, in part, to be a Delaney replacement (at least as ball handler).  The 2020-21 season would've given him a chance to acclimate to the team in Delaney's final year and then take over this year.  COVID messed up that time schedule.

Again - all speculation on my part - but I do think it's clear JHU is not consistently playing to the level we expect or they're capable of.  This was just my putting forth an idea as to why that might be.  I'm just as likely to be wrong as right, but there you have it.  I think Delaney could do just fine as an off guard with Yuetter bringing the ball up, but I'm also not going to presume to tell Josh Loeffler how to coach.

For some reason I just saw this ... I wasn't talking about any internal conflicts. I was referring to what some other coaches around the country and indicated to me was what they felt was something off about the offense from what they are watching. I don't know anything about anything internally nor would I ever report anything I hear about internally unless it comes directly from a coach who says it on record.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 06, 2022, 01:10:23 PM
Some great stuff in the Centennial this past week.  Swat holding the tie-breaker on Hopkins, but cannot afford a let down in their final four games of the regular season as they want to lock up home court for the playoffs.  Outside of the top two, it basically looks like four teams for the final three playoff spots.  Gettysburg, Dickinson, Ursinus and Haverford all battling it out and all playing each other over the final two weeks ... makes for really competitive games.  Really good to see Gettysburg and Dickinson make a run as each has put themselves in a position to control their destiny this season.  Looking forward to some great games to close out the regular season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 06, 2022, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 29, 2022, 11:09:05 AM
Not going to lie here, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Swat go down for the second game in a row with another poor showing. Outrebounded again and another tough night of shooting.  I totally respect their players and their program, but just not a big fan of the evil empire arrogance that Kosmalski and staff display from the sidelines (sit behind their bench within ear shot and you will know what I mean).  With that said, they have an opportunity to make it all good with a win over Hopkins.

I'm an alum........and I do know what you mean by the "evil empire arrogance". Kosmalski is a very good coach, but the smugness is a bit much.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on February 06, 2022, 01:41:35 PM
Yesterdays game between Ursinus and Gettysburg was one of the most exciting games I have seen in the Centennial.  Very well played and the 2nd half display of scoring by Ryan Hughes was very impressive.  The Bears hit a number of shots that were heavily contested as they came back to tie the game.  Very well played and enjoyable.  I agree that the next few weeks will be exciting as the last remaining playoff spots are battled for. Agree with Stretch, home court for the playoffs hangs in the balance and quite possibly is a difference maker in determining the Champion.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centennial fan on February 06, 2022, 09:38:05 PM
Centennial Conference Standings (as of 2/6)

1 Swarthmore 12-2, 18-3

The Garnet control their own destiny with four games to play after completing a sweep of rival Johns Hopkins in the regular season. While the two heavyweights in the Centennial do have the same conference record, the tiebreaker remains with Swat due to the head-to-head victories. Sophomore Vinny Deangelo is 3rd (16.8) in the Centennial conference and Junior George Visconti is 6th (14.0).

2 Johns Hopkins 12-2, 16-3

Johns Hopkins responded to their second loss this year to Swarthmore by beating McDaniel and Haverford by a combined 65 points last week. The Blue Jays are hoping for a Swarthmore slip-up in the next 2 weeks to move into the one seed, but as of right now are very securely in the #2 position. All-American Conner Delaney is 2nd in the Centennial in scoring. (19.2)

3 Gettysburg 9-5 13-7

The surprise so far in the Centennial has been the Bullets, who after being picked to finish 7th are sitting relatively securely in 3rd place now. Gettysburg's next two games are extremely important, as they'll travel to 4th-place Dickinson on Tuesday and host 6th-place Haverford on Saturday. Carl Schaller is almost a lock to become the 4th freshman point guard in a row to win Centennial Conference Rookie of the Year, following the likes of Vinny Deangelo, Dan Gaines, and Conner Delaney. Senior Avery Close is also 8th in scoring in the conference at 12.8 points per game.

4 Dickinson 7-5 8-9

The Red Devils have really turned their season around after starting 3-9, currently riding a 5 game winning streak to 4th place in the conference. Senior Ryan Robinson is the spark for the Devils averaging 12.2 points per game, good for 11th in the Centennial.

5 Ursinus 7-6 10-8

The Bears are one of three teams vying for the last two spots in the Centennial Conference tournament. Ursinus is currently tied with Haverford for that 5th spot, which they hold the tiebreaker, but the Bears still have to play front-runners Swarthmore and Johns Hopkins again while the Fords only have to face Swat again. It would benefit greatly, if not be necessary for Ursinus to steal one of those games to feel confident in their hopes of making the conference tournament. The Bears are led by the conference's leading scorer, Ryan Hughes, who scores 19.3 points a game on 51.1% shooting from the field.

6 Haverford 7-6 11-9

Haverford is another team trying to wedge their way into the tournament at 7-6. The Fords will still play Dickinson twice and Gettysburg once, crucial games to the playoff implications in the Centennial. The Fords need to go at least 2-1 in these contests to have a chance at that last spot. The frontcourt of Harry Johnson and Nate Torres lead the Fords, both averaging double digits, 11.7 and 10.7 points respectively.

7 Franklin and Marshall 5-9 8-13

The Centennial powerhouse of old is going through their rebuilding phase after the retirement of coach Glenn Robinson. The Diplomats likely need to win out to have a chance at one of the last spots, and every loss hurts especially bad going forward. Senior Solomon Mathis is a bright spot for the Dips, scoring 14.1 points per game, good enough for 5th in the conference in scoring.

8 McDaniel 4-10 9-11

The Green Terror need to win the remainder of their games to make the Centennial playoffs and the practicality of that plan is low as they still have to face Swarthmore before their conference schedule is finished. Senior Mike Wallace is wrapping up a nice career in Westminster, averaging 15.2 points, good enough for 5th in the Centennial.

9 Muhlenberg 4-10 7-14


The Mules are just not the same team without leader Dan Gaines, who is out for the year with a wrist injury. They also need to win their remaining games to even dream about postseason basketball. Freshman Jayson Williams-Johnson has really taken over the reins for this program and will be an all-conference player in the future. (11.0 PPG, 49% 3PT)

10 Washington College 1-13 4-17

The Shoremen are having a rough year but are developing some nice young talent. Sophomore Kedrick Frink is 12th in the conference in scoring at 12 PPG.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 09, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
Great game at Swat last night with Ursinus winning 95-86! This was a classic example of why D3 sports are so great.  The Bears have been inconsistent this year which is understandable given that they start 3 first year players and have 3 more in the rotation.  But----they can shoot the ball. Last night they shot 53% overall and 53% from three. Best not get into a racehorse game with them. An astounding statistic to me----UC attempted 19 threes and Swat more than doubled that with 39 attempts. UC needed the win after losing to Getty and Haverford the week before. I thought they were good enough to capture the 3 seed---but that is unlikely unless they run the table.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 11, 2022, 12:01:15 PM
Haverford erased a 16 point second half deficit and beat Dickinson 73-69. Offensive rb and second chance points told the story.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 15, 2022, 08:58:16 AM
Big win for Dickinson over Ursinus last night. Really solid second half both offensively and defensively results in a 10 point swing to erase a 5 point halftime deficit and push DC to a critical victory. Really nice to see Dickinson playing up to their potential throughout the past month plus.  3 way tie between Dickinson, Ursinus and Haverford for final 2 playoff spots with two games each to play.  Gettysburg one game ahead of these 3.  Opportunities for teams to control their own destiny, play spoiler and position themselves for the playoffs.  Looking forward to Wednesday and Saturday which will feature a bunch of great games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 15, 2022, 09:06:01 AM
Haverford has the toughest draw on Wed-Swat
Haverford vs Dickinson on Saturday will likely be the decisive game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 15, 2022, 11:14:07 AM
Brutal night offensively for the Bears. Bad time for that to happen. Young team and so inconsistent. Freshmen need to get physically stronger.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 15, 2022, 11:36:34 AM
The scenarios are definitely complicated.  Dickinson - Haverford on Sat is obviously critical (especially if either DC or H lose on Wed), but may not be a lose and out scenario for loser of the Sat game. Ursinus is at Muhlenberg Wed and at Hopkins Sat.  Dickinson is at F&M Wed and at Haverford Sat.  Gettysburg is at McDaniel Wed and at Swat on Sat.  Gettysburg win on Wed and they are in (with a tbd seed).  As I understand the tie break rules, head to head is used first followed by best record against teams in ascending order of standings.  So a lot to consider.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 17, 2022, 05:52:01 AM
Here is how I think the 4 and 5 seeds work:

Haverford needs to win vs Dickinson or they are out. HC lost 2x to Swat, the others split

Haverford win and Ursinus win (vs Hopkins): Ursinus is 4th, HC is 5th.
Haverford win and Ursinus loss: HC 4th seed, Dickinson 5th seed since Ursinus lost 2x to Gettysburg and Dickinson split. Both beat Swat.
Dickinson win and Ursinus loss: DC is 4th seed, C is 5th seed.
Dickinson win and UC win: UC is 4th seed, Dickinson is 5th seed.

Is this correct?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 17, 2022, 01:31:27 PM
I believe you have it correct.  Haverford must win or they are out, while Dickinson and Ursinus have options based on other tie breaker rules.  Dickinson really let an opportunity slip through their fingers last night.  F&M played well, particularly first year Seidman who had an outstanding second half, but Dickinson got way too caught up in overdribbling and trying to catch up with 3 pointers over the last 10 minutes of the game.  DC had it to down 2 with the ball with less than 3 minutes to play and really just did not execute effectively down the stretch.  Turnover margin was crazy 17 (DC) to 3 (FM).  Refs really let them play and F&M took full advantage of that with extremely aggressive and physical play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: oldford on February 18, 2022, 09:26:49 AM
Haverford looked positively awful against Swat. None of the games versus Swat or JHU have been close. That has not been the case with Ursinus and Dickinson, obviously.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 20, 2022, 05:23:35 PM
After a very entertaining and extremely competitive last few weeks of the regular season, the playoff field is set - JHU, Swat, Gburg, Dson, Urs.  Big congrats to Gettysburg and Dickinson on finishing 3rd and 4th, especially after preseason polls had them at 7th and 9th. Nice to see these two programs playing well and exceeding expectations.  So the obvious choices are Hopkins and Swat to face off for the title next Saturday.  Swat has gotten the better of Hopkins twice this year, but it is really hard to beat a team three times in a season.  Does Swat have their number this year?  What adjustments will Hopkins make?  Looking forward to more high quality basketball this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2022, 03:47:17 PM
Expect to see JHU and Swat in the championship game on Saturday, but------they have to earn it. That's why we play the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on March 01, 2022, 03:01:06 PM
All conference awards announced.  Delaney - player of year, Thybulle - defensive player of year, Schaller - rookie of year, Seretti - coach of year.  First Team of Delaney (JHU), Hughes (Urs), DeAngelo (Swat), Close (Gburg) and Quarry (JHU).  Second team of Robinson (DC), Wall (Urs), Caprise (Swat), Visconti (Swat) and Wallace (McD). 

All well deserved.  Congrats to these players and coach on their awards and great seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 09, 2022, 03:38:12 PM
In 2020, St Thomas University transitioned from the D3 Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) to the D1 Summit League. My understanding is that they were encouraged by the MIAC to make the change as they had become too dominant in MIAC sports.

Has anyone heard any rumblings about any movement in the D3 Centennial Conference regarding Johns Hopkins University? They are so dominant in most CC sports.  It seems to be time to level the playing field. Perhaps the Patriot League would be a better fit.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2022, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 09, 2022, 03:38:12 PM
In 2020, St Thomas University transitioned from the D3 Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) to the D1 Summit League. My understanding is that they were encouraged by the MIAC to make the change as they had become too dominant in MIAC sports.

Has anyone heard any rumblings about any movement in the D3 Centennial Conference regarding Johns Hopkins University? They are so dominant in most CC sports.  It seems to be time to level the playing field. Perhaps the Patriot League would be a better fit.

The UAA is probably the better fit, but I don't think JHU wants all that travel.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2022, 07:28:59 PM
Can a conference really suggest a school leave for dominating?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2022, 07:31:33 PM
 They did it wrt St Thomas(MN).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 09, 2022, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2022, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on March 09, 2022, 03:38:12 PM
In 2020, St Thomas University transitioned from the D3 Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) to the D1 Summit League. My understanding is that they were encouraged by the MIAC to make the change as they had become too dominant in MIAC sports.

Has anyone heard any rumblings about any movement in the D3 Centennial Conference regarding Johns Hopkins University? They are so dominant in most CC sports.  It seems to be time to level the playing field. Perhaps the Patriot League would be a better fit.

The UAA is probably the better fit, but I don't think JHU wants all that travel.
At one time JHU was part of UAA.I think they left because of all the traveling on the weekends!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2022, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2022, 07:28:59 PM
Can a conference really suggest a school leave for dominating?

It wasn't a suggestion, it was a formal vote.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 10, 2022, 08:14:29 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2022, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2022, 07:28:59 PM
Can a conference really suggest a school leave for dominating?

It wasn't a suggestion, it was a formal vote.

Wow, you learn something new every day. I'll have to go back and look to see how dominating they were.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2022, 08:39:24 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 10, 2022, 08:14:29 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2022, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2022, 07:28:59 PM
Can a conference really suggest a school leave for dominating?

It wasn't a suggestion, it was a formal vote.

Wow, you learn something new every day. I'll have to go back and look to see how dominating they were.

I believe they won just short of 80% of all conference titles over the last decade in all sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 12, 2022, 07:18:29 AM
Ryan, I would say that's dominant.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 08, 2022, 04:05:53 PM
Mike McGarvey (twice POY in the CC) and former HBB Coach at Lycoming just took the job as Associate HBB Coach at Lafayette. Congratulations Mike on your return to the Patriot League. Lafayette is getting a class act.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centennial fan on April 11, 2022, 10:46:17 AM
Ursinus and Gettysburg will both be very good next year, since they lose almost no one. Swat keeps most of their scoring and 3 all-conference players. Hopkins loses a lot, making me think the league will be wide open in 2022-2023.

Pick 4 in any order for top 4 from:

Ursinus
Gettysburg
Swat
Hopkins

Pick one from the rest to be team #5:

Dickinson
Haverford
F&M
Muhlenberg
Wash
McD
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on April 11, 2022, 11:01:10 AM
Centennial Fan, it's very early, but I agree with you thus far. Ursinus will go as far as their defense takes them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on April 11, 2022, 06:47:51 PM
With Hughes and all other starters returning, Ursinus should have high expectations for next season. A lot of talent and they can score with anyone, but to be fair they did finish 5th in the conference this season and were near the bottom of the conference in most defensive statistics. So definitely have some work to do if they want to challenge Swat (who looks to be the favorite with three all conference players returning).  Gettysburg does lose their top player in 1st team all conference forward Close.  That is significant for sure, but would expect them to be in the mix with all other primary contributors returning. Hopkins of course loses Delaney, but not sure about guys like Quarry, Bartlett and Johnson who despite being seniors all have 1 year of eligibility left.  They likely take a step back next season, but how big of a step back is the question.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 12, 2022, 07:36:03 AM

I was super impressed with Gettysburg in the conference semis. I'm not sure what Close's plans are, but, at worst, he's their only loss. The raw size and quickness of that team is elite, if they can mature skill wise and with decisionmaking. It's a young team with a ton of upside.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centennial fan on April 12, 2022, 09:53:01 AM
I've heard that Close and also Dan Gaines may return, which would make the conference very interesting. Don't know who is back for Hopkins, but Sidney Thybulle, Carson James, Lincoln Yuetter are the only 3 non-graduating players who played more than 10 minutes/game so they'll need help from somewhere if they want to be at the top of the league again.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on April 12, 2022, 01:00:01 PM
Can someone please explain how Close could return for Gettysburg.  He played four full seasons (17-18, 18-19, 19-20 and 21-22).  He took off the 20-21 year to be able to play this year. His eligibility is up, correct? For comparison, Delaney and Harkins (Swat) played the exact same years and they are done with their eligibility.  Gaines of course could return as he began his college career in 18-19.  This is also the case for several of Hopkins key seniors who also began their college careers in 18-19.  Unless I have the rules wrong, Close has used up his eligibility. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: stlawus on April 12, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
If you played in 19-20 you have an extra year of eligibility.  Even if you played 4 years you can still play a 5th.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centennial fan on April 12, 2022, 02:54:48 PM
Close will be playing his 5th year next year. To this point, Delaney also technically has another year of eligibility because of his injury in '18-'19. Although he's been in school for 5 years, he's only used 3 years of his eligibility.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: stlawus on April 12, 2022, 03:32:11 PM
There's no redshirting in division III so he used 4 years of eligibility.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 12, 2022, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: stlawus on April 12, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
If you played in 19-20 you have an extra year of eligibility.  Even if you played 4 years you can still play a 5th.

I thought it was 20-21.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 12, 2022, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: centennial fan on April 12, 2022, 02:54:48 PM
Close will be playing his 5th year next year. To this point, Delaney also technically has another year of eligibility because of his injury in '18-'19. Although he's been in school for 5 years, he's only used 3 years of his eligibility.

He played 10 games in 18-19. That's too many for a medical redshirt. He's exhausted eligibility.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 12, 2022, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on April 12, 2022, 01:00:01 PM
Can someone please explain how Close could return for Gettysburg.  He played four full seasons (17-18, 18-19, 19-20 and 21-22). He took off the 20-21 year to be able to play this year. His eligibility is up, correct? For comparison, Delaney and Harkins (Swat) played the exact same years and they are done with their eligibility.  Gaines of course could return as he began his college career in 18-19.  This is also the case for several of Hopkins key seniors who also began their college careers in 18-19.  Unless I have the rules wrong, Close has used up his eligibility.

My understanding is that 20-21 was a free year. You could have actually played in 20-21 and then played a 5th year in 21-22 because 20-21 didn't count in terms of eligibility. Some teams played full schedules, some played a few games, some didn't play at all. So, they couldn't just count a year for some and not others, so it was a free/additional year. I think Close is done just looking at the years, but I could also be wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 12, 2022, 10:34:20 PM

Yeah,  I didn't read the years close enough. He's done.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 09, 2022, 02:45:04 PM
Good stuff in the Centennial Conference last night. Headline was an impressive 1 point victory by Swat on the road in a hostile environment, over a very talented Rowan team. Visconti, Caprise and Shaw played tough as expected, with Shaw maybe surprising some people with his point production. Question is regarding D'Angelo who did not start and played a rather unproductive 10 minutes. Not sure what the situation is there - is he injured or coming off an injury? Rowan fans will gripe about a critical call that went against them with 2 minutes to play that resulted in a technical foul, but you had to be impressed with Swat's play down the last 4-5 minutes of the game.

Muhlenberg picks up a nice win behind the return of Dan Gaines. Great to see him healthy and back on the court.  Mules have a strong backcourt, and with Gaines back healthy that should put them in the mix for a playoff spot in the Centennial. 

F&M closes the game with a 21-8 run over the final 4 minutes to pull out a close victory.  Seidman with a very solid all around game, he is one of the sleeper players in the conference for sure.  F&M foul shooting woes continue from last year - need to clean that up or that is going to cost them a few games.

Ursinus cruises to an easy victory over lesser opponent in FDU.  Ryan Hughes probably deserves to be in the discussion for All American consideration, but that may depend on how well Ursinus does as a team this year.  Expectations are high with four starters back and a lot of talent on the offensive end, but honestly they need to take their defense to another level if they want to compete with JHU and Swat. If promising big man Grubbs takes the next step forward in his development and can give them a consistent interior presence on offense and defense every night, I think you will see Ursinus take a step forward as a team and challenge Gettysburg for 3rd spot in the conference.

Dickinson drops 4th straight season opener to York. Disappointing loss for sure as they return 7 of their top 10 guys, but last night clearly looked like several talented players who were very effective in supporting roles last year where not ready to take on the primary roles.  Bright spots were the play of grad transfer Martin Mann and first year Isaiah Edmond who bring a dose of toughness and intensity that is needed on this squad. I would expect to see improvement from Dickinson as they solidify their rotation.

Big one tonight with Hopkins playing CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2022, 04:09:34 PM
Good post, Stretch4. Enjoy your insight. Ursinus' defense looked to be improved over last year but hard to tell against FDU. Bears fighting nagging injuries like everyone else and lookedrusty Depth looks good with 2 or3 contributing freshmen who will mature during the season---we hope. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on November 12, 2022, 10:08:17 PM
Good stuff and welcome back all to another season. It has been quiet on here, so who do you guys have winning the conference this year? Cheers!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 16, 2022, 04:21:30 PM
Swat Fan, IMO, JHU and Swat are the favorites with Getty, Ursinus and Muhlenberg strong contenders.  Quite possible one or more of the other five might surprise. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 20, 2022, 10:35:35 AM
Great game yesterday as Ursinus defeated Widener in OT 90-85.  Both teams played hard and gave it their all marred only by the ejection of one Widener player late in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on November 20, 2022, 10:59:49 AM
Why did the Widener player get tossed?  That must have been some game.

Ursinus and Muhlenberg off to very strong starts....guard play has been very good.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 21, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
McBuckets, Second technical for grabbing a Bear around the neck and shoulders and twisting. Kid has temper problems.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 22, 2022, 03:02:45 PM
Great start to the season for Ursinus.  Their shooting has been absolutely incredible through 4 games.  Obviously not going to sustain a 54% team FG % for an entire season, but this is indicative of the offensive firepower this team has.  Big OT win over a very good Widener team (who was without their starting PG who actually injured himself celebrating his game-winning shot against Swat). The technical and ejection of the Widener player was 100% warranted, but how about the awful goal tending call against Ursinus less than a minute earlier?

Gettysburg off to a bit of a slow start but has a great opportunity tonight vs Hopkins. Mules fans have to be thrilled with their start to the season. In the interest of seeing someone other than Swat and JHU on top, hoping Ursinus, Muhlenberg and maybe Gettysburg can challenge the top dogs.

By the way, Ursinus and Centennial Conference fans already knew how good Ryan Hughes is.  Glad to see he is finally getting some national recognition as honestly he is as good as any of the players on the pre-season All American teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on November 22, 2022, 04:24:57 PM
Stretch4, Totally agree with your post.  Ryan Hughes is a totally selfless player and a class act.  The goal tending call in the Widener game wae ridiculous, Grubbs was 5 feet from the basket.
Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 02, 2022, 09:10:24 PM
Prayers to Jessie Krasna (Pennsbury HS / Ursinus), his two young sons and the rest of his family and Jennifer's family. Jessie lost his wife a couple of days ago after she gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. Jennifer Krasna was just 30 years old. Jennifer was an amazing wife, mother, daughter, sister and friend, as well as amazing elementary school teacher. Jessie is a wonderful elementary school teacher as well as being the head boys basketball coach at Council Rock North.

Please keep the family in your prayers. May God Bless them and take wonderful care of Jennifer as she is certainly with Him in heaven.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 19, 2022, 05:50:02 PM
Hello. Does the D3Hoops Las Vegas Event have a Broadcast or Statcast?
League looks tough up and down the rankings of CC this year. It looks like JHU, SWAT, MUHLS & perhaps URSINUS look to be the main ones to worry about.
Dips have 2 talented strong teams from last year's NCAA field to play out west, Dubuque & U Wisc. Platteville (rematch of 1991 National title game). Xmas want list for F&M would be an actual PG someone like Georgio Milligan would suffice and getting off the bottom 4 of D3 FT% shooting list. Additionally, they'll need some injured players to get healthy. Good luck to all the teams & players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Yes, we will have both! Gordon Mann, Dave McHugh, me, Ira Thor calling the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on December 20, 2022, 01:52:21 PM
Thank you, Pat, that's nice to know.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Parent1 on December 31, 2022, 01:20:14 AM
Huge huge wins for F&M in Vegas.   Congratulations to the team and to the coaches.   I am sure that the Midwest powers that be had this pegged for 2 losses for F&M.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 03, 2023, 06:40:40 PM
Nice trip to LV for Dips. I thought they might be able to play with Pioneers of Platteville but was surprised by how they came back vs Dubuque. What awaits are tough conference games. 1st going to Allentown where muhls are always tough & this seems to be their best team in many years. SWAT is next in Mayser and they have been tough on current coach by pressing Dips out of game in 1st 10 minutes over and over. I hope they are well prepped. It will be a tough task on the point forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 04, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
Interesting, exciting early tilt at Allentown. Dips controlled 1st 60% of game fending off each others charges. Then mules Put on extended stretch of 2 players doing the scoring and not missing baskets until they seemed to have control of game. Point guard for MC reminded me of JHUs Conner Delany who starred for 4 years. Getting streaking layups that were challenged. Then I had to leave and found out Dips came back and won somehow.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Parent1 on January 04, 2023, 05:13:16 PM
Hopefully the improvement by The Dips along with a strong Mules team is the arrival of more strength in the whole CC.  The past few years has been to much SWAT and JHU.  I think the stronger conference play can only help all the programs.  The Dips seem to be playing great team ball with different players making significant contributions each game.   The "new" coach finally has "his guys" playing in their 2nd and 3rd seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2023, 08:04:34 PM

Freshman, Dylan Cormac scored a bunch of points the first two games and then has presumably been hurt since.  He got two minutes today.  If they add another scorer to this mix, they're going to be really tough for anyone to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 07, 2023, 06:18:27 PM
I wonder if CC revoted order of predicted finish if F&M would be picked higher then 8th this time?
If dips would've shot better than 16/35 at FT line they probably win. However one play sticks out, late in Reg or 1st OT Dip guard tipped the ball away from one of league all conference players in red on offense & rather than go for looseball he took his forearm and whacked jaw/neck area hard instead. Odder yet it was called a player control foul, no shots awarded. I believe it should have been called a technical foul with player ejection. Marring what was generally a back & forth amazing struggle.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on January 08, 2023, 06:26:42 PM
Team misses 19 free throws on their home court then complains about a call?

19.

And you want a revote on the pre-season poll?



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 08, 2023, 07:57:35 PM
That was a shallow attempt to attack me, rather it seems like dips were not highly regarded before games were played, not about retaking a preseason poll. Perhaps you may have not looked at the video which is available with about 8 minutes left in regulation while dismissing me as griping about one call. It appeared like an attempt to inflict a potentially serious harm to a defender who had made a good play, the kind reaction that may merit ejection. Plus I said that missing many FTs gave game away.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Parent1 on January 09, 2023, 08:57:41 AM
I think the overall Dips situation is that for the past few years they have struggled at the bottom of the league.  The new coach now has his guys playing his way.   The Dips are making huge strides.   I don't think they are ready to win against SWAR and the like.  But they are getting closer and a loss like this is can be an awesome learning experience for this team and their trajectory is up
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 09, 2023, 03:06:18 PM
Watched the F&M/Swat game a day later - great game.  I am typically not on the side of Swat as in general I think they push the limits on aggressive play to a dirty style of play way more than they need to, but in my opinion the play in question in no way warrants any kind of ejection or technical foul. Great defensive play by the F&M defender, then DeAngelo from Swat clearly put his forearm in defenders chest and extends trying to create space to potentially chase down the loose ball (which was correctly called a foul). Then in the split second course of both players tying to get the ball DeAngelo's forearm rises up under chin of F&M defender.  I think it looked dirtier than it actually was.  I also didn't see too much complaining from the F&M coaches on how it was called. 

Still a long way to go in conference play, but F&M is definitely playing well and growing in confidence. I wouldn't sweat the pre-season ranking of tied for 7th as any kind of slight.  In 21-22, Gettysburg was pre-season 7 and Dickinson was pre-season 9 and they finished 3rd and 4th respectively. I don't think the coaches put too much thought in to their pre-season voting. Now, about that foul shooting ...  ??? ::) :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipfanatic on January 10, 2023, 05:22:12 PM
I've always had respect for Landry's teams at Swarthmore - they're fast, strong, and aggressive. But this Swat team has crossed a line. Not just a player or two, either. Across the board it's a dirty team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 10, 2023, 06:10:53 PM
When the Dips were good their teams were super physical and you knew heading into the game you better put on some pads. And the fans were so proud of how "old school" Glenn had the boys playing. But now that its a down period in the program everyone is just complaining.

Biggest game of the CC season to date- who gets the W tonight? "Dirty" Swat or the Dirty Birds of Hop?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on January 10, 2023, 10:14:52 PM
Not a big fan of Swat/JHU and hope the top of the conference changes but that may still be a year away.

Having 6 teams in post-season is good and the mid-tier teams look solid. Centennial is a great hoop's conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Parent1 on January 13, 2023, 08:41:48 AM
And just like that the Dips record takes a few hits.  They are not ready to win all the games they should. Maturity is happening.   Not all the pieces are in place.  Some quality bigs would compliment the guards
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on January 13, 2023, 12:33:26 PM
A key reason for Dips downturn might be the loss of Josh Parra. He was apparently injured 2 minutes into Washington game and hasnt played since. I couldn't see him on the bench at Gburg. If he is out for any significant length of time the Dips outlook is dismal. Seidman & Parra are players they can't afford to be without.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on January 14, 2023, 12:24:09 PM
Parra was in street clothes on bench for Gettysburg game.  Appeared to be a lower leg/ankle injury.

Bullets have been without their starting center for 4 games.  Rassoul Abakar 6' 9" from Cameroon.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on January 14, 2023, 12:28:03 PM
In the games I have watched, Parra had been playing very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 15, 2023, 12:59:57 PM
What's the record for most games lost by one point in a season?
Parra is definitely missed.  Hopefully his return is coming soon
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on January 15, 2023, 06:59:26 PM
Next man up.

Every team has injuries.

Bartlett and Yuetter out for Hopkins.

Haverford lost Torres and Love for a few games.

Abakar out for Gburg 5 games.

Wall out for a few for Ursinus.



Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D3Parent1 on January 23, 2023, 04:02:39 PM
Lao true.   So many teams seasons are won and lost on injuries.   It looks like F&M does not have the depth yet to overcome a key injury....yet.   Maybe they win 2-3 more of the recent 5 game skid with Josh healthy?   I am looking forward to them getting back on track heading into the last 8 games of the season
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on January 29, 2023, 10:58:56 AM
Saturday results see Hopkins take round two and give Swat their first conference loss of the season.  James and Quarry with excellent performances, while DeAngelo has a sub-par shooting performance. Honestly, if Hopkins doesn't miss about 10 free throws in the last 3 minutes of the game they win by closer to 20. Hopkins will need help to get the top seed, although based on Swat's remaining schedule I don't think I see another loss coming for them (at Ursinus in about 10 days could be a challenge though).  Ursinus (particularly Ryan Hughes) executes very well in the last four minutes to lead the Bears past a feisty Dickinson squad and put them in the lead for the 3 seed.  Muhlenberg with a nice win over Gettysburg to put them in a much more comfortable spot for playoffs (on paper Mules have the easiest conference schedule remaining). Gettysburg also looks locked in for the playoffs as they are tied with Muhlenberg.  So essentially there are 3 teams fighting for last playoff spot with F&M, Haverford and McDaniel all facing very challenging schedules in last few weeks. I believe F&M holds the tie break with Haverford, so that may prove to be big.

Player of the year watch is interesting, but if you are being objective I believe at this point Hughes is the choice.  DeAngelo, Quarry, Rubino all follow closely.  6 games left ... a lot can happen.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on January 30, 2023, 10:46:11 AM
Stretch4----Nice summary, thank you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: dipfanatic on February 05, 2023, 11:09:08 PM
Well, Dips had Swarthmore on the ropes for 20 minutes, and proceeded to play one of the worst halves I've seen an F&M team play.

Can someone explain the wisdom of sitting Suchy for almost the entire second half while the Dips got absolutely destroyed on points in the paint? He was playing with one foul.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 06, 2023, 02:28:19 PM
F&M definitely reeling a bit as they are 2-8 in last 10 games. A really tough shooting second half vs Swat coupled with basically a 4 guard, 1 small forward lineup pretty much throughout the second half allowed Swat to catch up and pull away without much of a fight. That being said, as I understand it as of today F&M still controls their own destiny in terms of grabbing the sixth and final conference playoff spot. They have work to do and it doesn't get any easier with Hopkins and Muhlenberg in their next two games. Plus they have 3 teams in Haverford, Dickinson and McDaniel on their heels who want to take that last spot from them. Anxious to see who rises to the challenge in the final two weeks.

Big games on Tuesday night with major playoff implications ... Haverford at Muhlenberg / Dickinson at Gettysburg / Swat at Ursinus / JHU at F&M. Great basketball in the Centennial conference.   
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 08, 2023, 11:27:48 AM
Ursinus/Swat game was much closer than the final score indicates.  Terrific defensive battle first half with teams tied at 24 following low scoring 1st half. Bears could not get untracked offensively due in part to excellent Swat defense. Swat led by only 4 with 8 minutes to play but then DeAngelo took over despite very good defense and made a short floater followed by back to back  3 pointers to push the lead to double digits and then it became a FT contest. DeAngelo was terrific and so was Swat's defense. In the 2nd half Swat shot 58% from the floor, 64% from 3 and 93% from FT line. Impressive.  What was not impressive was Visconti's double technical during his/Swat's mauling of Ryan Hughes.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on February 08, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
Swat just wears teams down and they are relentless.  They have a unique ability to irritate other teams and fans.  Are there repercussions to a double technical?  Does the player have to sit out the next game?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: txg on February 08, 2023, 12:03:39 PM
I was watching without sound, so as not to annoy my wife (more than my base level of annoying, which is unavoidable).

Ursinus got 4 technical free throws, and then got the ball.  So were there two technicals called on Visconti there?  Don't you get kicked out of the game for that?  Or were two of the free throws for a flagrant foul?

Then, it was Visconti who got the T at the very end of the game also, wasn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 08, 2023, 02:44:21 PM
I think one tech was on Visconti and the other on Swat fans----so two techs but only one on Visconti
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 08, 2023, 02:57:05 PM
Also, Visconti fouled out on that play. I am old school and believe basketball was intended to be a game of skill and finesse. I don't like what it's become with bullish post play, palming, indeed carrying the ball, transfer portal etc, etc. Governor Charlie Baker is the new NCAA head.  He was a great governor and played college hoops  but can he clean up the NCAA mess?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2023, 12:53:44 PM
Gabriel, I agree with your overview of the sport.  Skill and finesse are taking a backseat to brute play.  Trickle down from the pros.  It's taken years but D3 is definitely changing.  I quit watching professional basketball years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 09, 2023, 03:47:13 PM
Reserved Seat----I agree that it started with the pros and has trickled down. To reveal how old I am, it started with George Mikan in about 1950 with the then Minneapolis Lakers when he  bulled his way to the basket. He was only 6'10" but incredibly strong. I was a Lakers fan in those days but never have liked that part of the game. Some chnges I like, i.e. the shot clock and the 3 point shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 09, 2023, 04:00:39 PM
Watched the replay of Swat / Ursinus game.  Extremely intense game with some really good play that was unfortunately marred by dirty play from Swat and the embarrassing behavior of their fans.  For the record, Visconti received two technical fouls and was ejected from the game. First one was for a flat out dirty play in taking Hughes to the ground way too aggressively after a foul was called on the floor.  Second tech was for taunting the opponent after making an and one shot with a minute to go in the game. To my knowledge two technical fouls on a player in NCAA basketball results in ejection from the game with no impact to availability for next game.

Swat had a game plan to be as physical as possible on Hughes and make sure the game was not in a situation where it was a one or two possession game either way down the stretch with Hughes having an opportunity to decide the game.  From that standpoint, they executed their game plan well. Relentless is definitely a good word to describe Swat. 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: stlawus on February 09, 2023, 06:24:09 PM
Wow you weren't kidding about the Swat fans.  Embarrassing behavior as it is, but if those were parents that's even worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: txg on February 10, 2023, 09:37:58 AM
Tuesday night game in Collegeville, I can't imagine it would have been Swarthmore students.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 12, 2023, 12:24:54 AM
Swarthmore is certainly the dirtest playing team in the league.
It seems they try to hurt players.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 12, 2023, 10:41:24 AM
Swat certinly succeeded in neutralizing Ryan Hughes. He wore a facemask last night against WC which indicates a broken nose or a facial fracture.  Probably a broken nose as he was bleedimg from the nose late in the game.   Against WC he was clearly not himself shooting 3 of 11 and only 9 points.  He adjusted to playing mostly as a facilitator. Wearing a mask inhibits a players vision----and confidence.  This will undoubtedly impact on UC's playoff chances and Ryan's chances of winning POY honors.  The game is deteriorating and if it's played like rugby, soon the players will be required to wear helmets and face masks.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on February 12, 2023, 11:53:02 AM
I watched the video where Hughes was fouled by Visconti and it was hard to tell if it was a dirty play.  Not defending the play at all but I certainly couldn't tell....but many on here are saying it was.  Did Visconti hit him in the face?

As for POY, to me it's DeAngelo.  Very steady and hits big shots.

Playoff picture still a bit crazy with Ursinus, Muhlenburg and Gettysburg all tied.  Likely tie breakers will come into play.

Haverford with advantage for last spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 12, 2023, 04:31:18 PM
McBuckets, The last one was only one of several he took during the game, but that was the one that bloodied his nose
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 12, 2023, 04:40:57 PM
DeAngelo would be the likely choice and a good one.  He was terrific against Ursinus. As for the 3-6 spots in the playoffs, much rides on this week's games with Muhlenberg at UC and Swat at Getty being very big ones. Likely will need the tie breaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Swat Fan #1 on February 15, 2023, 09:03:05 PM
Anyone know why Vinny DeAngelo isn't playing tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 16, 2023, 11:39:07 AM
I wondered myself. He played 17 minutes and scored 22 points the previous game.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on February 18, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
Final regular season games today with most playoff spots settled.

Nice summary of potential seedings done by Hopkins' Tom Quarry:

https://twitter.com/tquarry8/status/1626277160599035907?cxt=HHwWhoCx_cGd2ZEtAAAA

Speaking of Quarry, he looked like he was injured v F/M a few games back and yet to play since.

Anyone have insight?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on February 19, 2023, 01:27:47 PM
Looks like the Bullets caused some upheaval in the playoff picture.

Box score said Swarthmore had zero assists. Gotta be a typo.

Any report on how the Swat fans/parents behaved?

Some fun matchups on Tuesday. Ursinus gotta look to avenge the beat down that the Mules just handed them last week.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on February 22, 2023, 07:55:05 AM
Two decisive wins in the playoffs by Gettysburg and the Mules.

Mules really kicking it into gear and totally beat down Ursinus.  When Robino is hot he is most prolific scorer in league.

Bullets stymied the Dips in every way and they were completely overwhelmed.

Solid games on tap for Friday with both visiting teams having beaten their host earlier in the year.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centennial fan on February 25, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Death. Taxes. Hopkins vs Swat in the Centennial Championship game. This is the 5th consecutive year the two teams will meet, should be a great game!
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 27, 2023, 02:59:16 PM
Great championship game. Team defense is what separates these two teams from the rest. DeAngelo should be POY, IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 27, 2023, 04:36:33 PM
Great game for sure and full credit to Swarthmore for coming back they way they did against a really, really good Hopkins team. DeAngelo was tremendous, and great work from Caprise and Corzine. Hopkins really missed Quarry in this game. These two teams remain several steps above the rest of the conference, and honestly it is not necessarily that they are more talented than the rest of the conference. The intensity, focus, commitment, player investment and team first approach at all times truly separates them from the rest of the conference. I could legitimately make the argument that Gettysburg, Ursinus and Muhlenberg have more talented individual players, but as collective units those teams are no where near Swat and Hopkins.

Both were disappointed in their NCAA performances last year.  With both hosting first weekend this year, I am sure the expectations are high.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on March 02, 2023, 11:09:58 AM
Congrats to all the recipients of CC All-Conference recognition. DeAngelo really separated himself from his peers as the season progressed and definitely earned the player of the year, and has to be on All-American teams. Other first team players seem like the right choices, and was happy to see Rubino recognized on the first team as he was without question the breakout performer in the CC this year. Hughes and Gaines close out their careers as a couple of all timers for their respective schools. 

Thybulle as repeat Defensive Player of the Year is a bit of a mystery but given that Hopkins captured first place in regular season, the coaches gave him the nod. Quite honestly Thybulle regressed in every statistical category from last year and you can't have him on the floor in last few minutes of a tight game because he can't make a foul shot. Thinking Caprise is the right choice for DPOY. Rookie of the year had several worthy candidates, but Nocito is a solid choice. ROY could have easily gone to Edmond from Dickinson, Hanson or Paquette from Swat, or Sujeta from McDaniel. All have bright futures ahead of them. A bit surprised that Stafford was the 2nd team choice ahead of his teammate Schaller. Gettysburg really bounced back from a slow start to the season and was clearly the 3rd best team by the end of the season, and if you are watching their games, Schaller is the guy ... as he goes, Gettysburg goes. Nice to see Frink from Washington College get HM recognition as he had a heck of a season, but I was surprised Mann from Dickinson did not get recognized with HM as he had a very impressive season and was probably the most consistent post player in the conference.

Enjoyed the season a great deal. Good luck to Swat and Hopkins in the NCAA's. Congratulations and best wishes to all of the seniors closing out their college careers.

Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on March 02, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
Stretch, good comments as always. 

I would be interested in how the voting for these awards occurs and whether you can vote for your own player/self.  I think that these awards should consider conference play/statistics only so that there is common ground.

As to POY, Vinny is a no doubter.  He is a terrific player who is at his best in big moments.

I was surprised by DPOY like you noted but would not vote Caprise (who is an excellent all around players).  Both McGuire (Mules) and McKeon (Gettysburg) have better defensive numbers.

Definitely surprised that both Robino and Gaines made 1st team all conference but when you look at offensive numbers its hard to quibble but I likely would have put Caprise on 1st team. Agree with you on Stafford and Schaller.  While Stafford may be the toughest player to guard in the conference, those spots should be flipped.

When I look at ROY conference stats, the vote was likely close and Nocito is deserving.  I think Sujeta was hurt with his turnovers and defense.  The only other name I would add is Nate Williams of Gettysburg whose stats are comparable to the other players you mentioned.

Are first year players in the league considered rookies? I know it doesn't say Newcomer of the year but would Mann be eligible?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on March 02, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Mann was a graduate transfer with four years of college basketball under his belt, so he would not be eligible for any newcomer award. I always feel that the ROY (in any conference) should be a first year college player. It is a huge jump from high school to college in so many ways, so being able to handle that transition and still perform really well on the court is part of the recognition as ROY.

Swat and Hopkins are elite defensive teams across the board (FG % defense, rebounding margin, points allowed, 3 Pt FG% defense, offensive rebounds allowed, etc.). So I think many coaches go with the thought that the DPOY should come from the best defensive teams, unless there is a player who is just head and shoulders above the rest (which I don't think the CC had this year). From the games I watched, including all three of their head to heads, Caprise was a more valuable defensive player for his team than Thybulle. But it makes sense that when you have two dominant teams like Swat and Hopkins, the OPY and DPOY get split between them.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 02, 2023, 05:18:53 PM
McBuckets----- Coaches & SIDs cannot vote for their own players or self.  Many coaches consider how much time, energy and resources are focused on on dealing with a specific player defensively.  For example Ryan Hughes and others selected were doubled every time they touched the ball or teams tried to deny them the ball.  Also, I think Caprise should have been 1st team vice Gaines as he is a much better all around player.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 29, 2023, 03:50:39 PM
Congratulations to Mike McGarvey---hired as the Head MBB Coach at Lafayette after serving as the interim this past season!  Mike is a class act and excellent coach. He is a two time CC POY and a 4 year starting point guard at Ursinus during which time the Bears won the CC championship 3 times. Mike started his coaching career as an assistant at Ursinus, moved on to Colgate as an assistant, then to Lycoming as Head Coach and finally to Lafayette.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 29, 2023, 07:20:52 PM
 As I remember, McGarvey was the best Ursinus player as a frosh in the NCAA game that they lost by 2 points before a raucous crowd in Scranton, mostly because Ursinus hadn't applied to host that year and went on the road, instead; they had the look of a Final 4 type team.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 29, 2023, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 29, 2023, 07:20:52 PM
As I remember, McGarvey was the best Ursinus player as a frosh in the NCAA game that they lost by 2 points before a raucous crowd in Scranton, mostly because Ursinus hadn't applied to host that year and went on the road, instead; they had the look of a Final 4 type team.

Man I am getting old :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ronk on March 29, 2023, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 29, 2023, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 29, 2023, 07:20:52 PM
As I remember, McGarvey was the best Ursinus player as a frosh in the NCAA game that they lost by 2 points before a raucous crowd in Scranton, mostly because Ursinus hadn't applied to host that year and went on the road, instead; they had the look of a Final 4 type team.

Man I am getting old :)

I suspect that was your frosh year @ Scranton.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 30, 2023, 11:43:49 AM
The Scranton game in 2003 was Mike's freshman year. I was at that game and exciting it was. Our only regret was that it should have been played at Ursinus if the AD had filed to host which he did not. That was arguably the best Ursinus team ever.  Dan Luciano was CC POY that year, Dennis Stanton the next year and Mike McGarvey the following two years. The other two strters were Steve Erfle and Naquan Williams, both excellent players. Mike was clearly the best player on the floor that game----scoring 19 points making 5 of 6 from three along with 5 assists and 3 steals. But---that was not enough since both Luciano and Stanton had sub par games.  Their biggest problem was free throw shooting as the Bears connected on only 8 of 20---most of them coming late in the game while shooting facing a raucus Scranton student body directly behind the visitor's basket. Final score 77-75  in favor of Scranton.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 10, 2023, 08:18:19 PM
I presume no one has any idea if Swarthmore's Visconti, Shaw or Corzine are returning...all listed as seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: nescac1 on April 10, 2023, 09:22:52 PM
All of them exhausted their eligibility.  They played four years and did not play the COVID year.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on April 11, 2023, 05:51:28 PM
Swat had all of their relevant players take off the 2020-2021 school year. So In addition to the three mentioned being done, DeAngelo and Caprise have 1 year left (not 1 plus a Covid year).
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: SpringSt7 on June 02, 2023, 09:51:49 AM
https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1664429594747756545?s=20

Hopkins needs a new coach
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: ImTold on June 26, 2023, 10:23:08 PM
I'm Told Keene St HC Ryan Cain has turned down an offer for the same position at Johns Hopkins.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: centennial fan on June 29, 2023, 08:23:30 AM
Don't think he turned it down
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: SpringSt7 on June 29, 2023, 10:03:29 AM
Maybe someone in the source world can chime in but it seems like based on Twitter buzz that Cain turned down the first offer and they came back in with better money the second time. If that's true (and even if it isn't), props to Hopkins for going out and getting their guy. Excellent coach and appears they didn't let themselves get too caught up in the world of D1 assistants - they went out and found the best coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 29, 2023, 08:54:50 PM
There seems to be confirmations from multiple sources via Twitter that Cain got the JHU job.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: SpringSt7 on June 30, 2023, 09:34:10 AM
Cain definitely got the JHU job, Keene St already posted a thank you and goodbye tweet.

I was referring to the fact/rumor that he turned down their initial offer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 30, 2023, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on June 29, 2023, 10:03:29 AM
Maybe someone in the source world can chime in but it seems like based on Twitter buzz that Cain turned down the first offer and they came back in with better money the second time. If that's true (and even if it isn't), props to Hopkins for going out and getting their guy. Excellent coach and appears they didn't let themselves get too caught up in the world of D1 assistants - they went out and found the best coach.

I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if Cain never intended to take the job, only get a better deal at Keene, but JHU overwhelmed him with the offer.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 02, 2023, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 30, 2023, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on June 29, 2023, 10:03:29 AM
Maybe someone in the source world can chime in but it seems like based on Twitter buzz that Cain turned down the first offer and they came back in with better money the second time. If that's true (and even if it isn't), props to Hopkins for going out and getting their guy. Excellent coach and appears they didn't let themselves get too caught up in the world of D1 assistants - they went out and found the best coach.

I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if Cain never intended to take the job, only get a better deal at Keene, but JHU overwhelmed him with the offer.

Ryan, it's kind of mind blowing to me that "JHU overwhelmed him with the offer". Why/how does JHU need to go out and overwhelm anybody with any offer? That school stands on it's own and quite frankly, could drop sports all together and the applications would still come piling in..................with most students being rejected. Kind of boggles my mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 02, 2023, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 02, 2023, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 30, 2023, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on June 29, 2023, 10:03:29 AM
Maybe someone in the source world can chime in but it seems like based on Twitter buzz that Cain turned down the first offer and they came back in with better money the second time. If that's true (and even if it isn't), props to Hopkins for going out and getting their guy. Excellent coach and appears they didn't let themselves get too caught up in the world of D1 assistants - they went out and found the best coach.

I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if Cain never intended to take the job, only get a better deal at Keene, but JHU overwhelmed him with the offer.

Ryan, it's kind of mind blowing to me that "JHU overwhelmed him with the offer". Why/how does JHU need to go out and overwhelm anybody with any offer? That school stands on it's own and quite frankly, could drop sports all together and the applications would still come piling in..................with most students being rejected. Kind of boggles my mind.

Athletically, though, they want the best coach they can get.  If (and this is all speculation) Cain was considered a cut above their other finalists, why wouldn't a school with those resources pay what it took to get the guy they wanted?  Cain's leaving a Top 5 squad, with two returning All-Americans, and a program he's built to be one of the best in New England (just a couple hour drive from where he grew up).  On the surface, of course JHU is a better job than Keene - but is it a better job at this moment, in context?  That's a lot less clear.  I don't doubt it took a little bit of convincing.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: SpringSt7 on July 02, 2023, 09:44:28 PM
You could argue that Keene is a better job than Hopkins if you really wanted to. They had plenty of success before Cain and I would venture to say they will have plenty of success after him. Maybe not routine trips to the second weekend, but they will continue to make NCAA tournament appearances.

Loeffler was one of the best coaches in D3 and he took Hopkins to as many Sweet 16s as Cain did with Keene St - 2 each.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 07, 2023, 11:45:40 AM
Pre-Season coaches poll released and as expected it is Swarthmore and Hopkins, and then everybody else. https://centennial.org/news/2023/11/2/mens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx

Swat lost a great deal of scoring, experience and intangibles from last year, and on paper Hopkins has the deeper and overall more talented roster than Swat, but Kosmalski's track record is hard to ignore.  Nice to see that both teams have set themselves up with really challenging non-conference schedules, and it will be interesting to see if the coaching change at Hopkins has any impact in their level of play to start the season.

Gettysburg has a very talented and deep team returning. If they can do a better job this season with the consistency of their shooting and taking care of the ball, look for them to potentially challenge the top two. Muhlenberg, F&M and Ursinus also are talented teams, but clearly do not have the depth to challenge the front runners. As has been the case in recent years, Dickinson, Haverford, McDaniel and Washington College do not appear to have enough depth on their rosters to truly challenge.

Some individual performers to keep an eye on: Rubino from Muhlenberg who with Gaines gone may become one of the top scorers in the country; Schaller and Stafford from Gettysburg who form a really dynamic backcourt who do a bit of everything; Hanson and Paquette from Swat who will be asked to take big steps forward this year in much more prominent roles; Wall from Ursinus who will have everything run through him for the Bears; D1 grad transfer Ogbu from Dickinson who will have an opportunity to have a major impact in his one season in Carlisle; Parra from F&M who seems to get overshadowed by Caprise and Thybulle but is honestly every bit the player as them.

Looking forward to another great season in the Centennial Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 09, 2023, 05:09:53 PM
The pre-season starts.

F&M gets a tough 1st game with Neumann who are coming off consecutive 21-win seasons. Plus, they have an All-American inside player (Vaughns) that will be hard to contain, while possibly keeping Parra on the bench with foul trouble. They have overcome situations like this occasionally with strong 3-point play in past, but we will see tonight if they can stay in the game or not. It will be interesting to see if any of freshman can play & whether Dylan Cormac is recovered and able to pick up like he started a promising rookie season last year before being injured.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: D.B. Cooper on November 09, 2023, 08:52:42 PM
Halftime at Mayser Gym.

Stunning me F&M leads 53-29. Balanced scoring, making reasonable 3 pointers and watch out if this continues especially odd 7 for 7 from charity stripe. I assume Neumann will scrap and make a game of it. We'll just have to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2023, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on November 09, 2023, 05:09:53 PM
The pre-season regular season starts.

F&M gets a tough 1st game with Neumann who are coming off consecutive 21-win seasons. Plus, they have an All-American inside player (Vaughns) that will be hard to contain, while possibly keeping Parra on the bench with foul trouble. They have overcome situations like this occasionally with strong 3-point play in past, but we will see tonight if they can stay in the game or not. It will be interesting to see if any of freshman can play & whether Dylan Cormac is recovered and able to pick up like he started a promising rookie season last year before being injured.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on November 29, 2023, 12:46:43 PM
Great win by F&M last night on the road at Gettysburg. Diplomats simply executed better down the stretch of the game, while Gettysburg had some really questionable shot selection in the last five minutes of the game. Grauslys has really stepped up this season and the balanced attack behind him makes F&M tough to defend. Interesting that Seidman seems to be playing the role of facilitator this season, and Parra (who has continued to be a load to handle in the paint) can't seem to play more than about 15 minutes a night. F&M fans should be very optimistic based on that performance last night.

For Gettysburg fans they have to be disappointed coming off a great win at Hopkins. Looks like many of the same challenges that plagued the Bullets periodically the last two seasons continue to pop up at inopportune times. In the last 6-7 minutes you saw about 6 turnovers, 5 very questionable shot selections and a few defensive lapses. Three years in with the core group on this team and I would expect those things to be cleaned up a bit. A very talented roster, so they need to move forward and focus on playing a full 40 minutes.

For what its worth, Swat and Hopkins simply don't look like Swat and Hopkins yet. Credit to Swat for still finding a way to win almost every night, but they definitely have a challenge with lack of depth at this point. Hopkins clearly still trying to figure it out as they are just not the same defensively at this point. I suspect they will start to piece it together.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: McBuckets on December 03, 2023, 08:18:57 AM
Excellent post Stretch.  F/M outplayed the Bullets on both ends and did an effective job rebounding at key moments.  Bullets definitely had several questionable possessions in the second half.  To your point, that had been a thing of the past but certainly evident in what was an early season test.  Having said that, Dips are exceeding expectations at the moment and it will be interesting to see them play Hopkins in a few days.

On another topic, I see Robino only played a few minutes for the Mules last night.  Anyone know what happened?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 25, 2024, 10:09:29 PM
For the non-Swat and non-Hopkins fans, the 2024 playoffs had to be a disappointment. I really thought we would see something other than the usual. Gettysburg had everything break right for them down the stretch of the season to allow them to finish in first and grab home court advantage. Sadly, they could not take advantage of it. I guess I have to give credit to Swat who really turned things around, and ultimately became the best team in the conference, including beating the 1 and 2 seeds on the road. Don't see Hopkins or Gettysburg getting an at large, so Centennial will end up with only one team in the field of 64. Hard to imagine Swat making a deep run this year, but with DeAngelo and Caprise leading the charge, you never know.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2024, 02:05:01 PM
It's my understanding that the CC will be splitinto two divisions next year (2024-25).  I believe one division (let's call it the North) will include Swarthmore, Muhlenberg, Ursinus, Haverford and Wahington College.  The other division (let's call it South) will be comprised of JHU, F&M, Dickinson, Gettysburg & McDaniel.  Teams in each division will play each other twice (home and away) and teams in the other division once (alternating home and away).  This means each team will replace five conference games with non conference games. Do I have this right?
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2024, 02:09:29 PM

Definitely going to divisions (which I believe you have correct).  I'm pretty sure they're calling them East and West, but that's not really important.

I haven't heard for sure on the rotation.  I didn't think they were going to drop all the way down to 13 league games.  I thought it was going to be offset a bit - playing some cross division teams twice a year and others once.  I could be wrong about that, but 13 seems like a low number to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Stretch4 on February 28, 2024, 03:26:02 PM
Centennial Conference Honors for 2023-2024: Stafford grabs Player of Year, Thybulle Defensive Player of Year, and Fagbemi rookie of year. First team seems right to me with Stafford, DeAngelo, Caprise, Wall and Windley. Great to see Ogbu from Dickinson and Contee from McDaniel recognized on second team as they both had excellent seasons for their teams. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised to see Stafford take player of year over DeAngelo. Easy pick would have been DeAngelo, but quite honestly I think Stafford was more valuable to his team, and DeAngelo did not have quite the same season as last year (but boy did he turn it on late and in the playoffs). Fagbemi was a no-brainer as he was certainly a top five freshman nationally.
Mystery to me continues to be Thybulle - 3 straight defensive player of year awards. I know Hopkins has been tremendously successful during his time there, but for four years I feel he has been underwhelming. This was certainly his best defensive year, so maybe he earned DPOY this year. But he somehow picked up a national reputation as some type of elite level player, and I just never really saw it. No where near the player that Caprise is, yet he seems to be considered on that level. Congrats to all (including Thybulle). 
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2024, 05:07:42 PM
Ryan, 13 conference games would be right, 8 (4x2)  in division and 5 in the other division
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2024, 06:59:03 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 28, 2024, 05:07:42 PMRyan, 13 conference games would be right, 8 (4x2)  in division and 5 in the other division

Yeah, but I mean I'm not sure that's what they're doing.  A few conferences do unbalanced schedules - only playing some teams twice each year to reach an optimal number.  I'm not sure in the CC is doing that or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 29, 2024, 10:31:06 AM
What's old is new again! The Centennial had East/West divisions from 1994-2003, and 13 conference games, before going to a double round-robin format.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2024, 12:00:38 PM
I'm going to consolidate this under the Centennial Conference conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: Centennial Conference
Post by: Gabriel on March 02, 2024, 12:37:09 PM
Pat, Good idea.  That is what I had intended but I am technologically challenged.