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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5220 on: October 20, 2012, 12:03:37 am »
Nephew lives about 45 mins away from Whitworth so he spent a lot of time in that gym going all the way back to 7th grade.  They host a lot of summer league games, have the local hs talent around for open gym etc. which is the opposite of Gonzaga where Stockton doesn't let anybody that isn't on the squad or an alum on the floor.  Had he not chosen Williams I think he may have ended up there. Nice program.

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5221 on: October 21, 2012, 12:54:25 pm »
Playball:  I am not sure about that.  They lost a lot off last years' team including 4 of their 8 in the regular rotation, and 3 of their top 4 scorers.  Their returning 3 bigs averaged just over 12 minutes a game and 1.8 points, combined.  The replacements are 5 freshman and a 7'0" project JC transfer center whose stats they quote on their website are from high school.  Hardly seasoned players that have come in in the past, and freshmen rarely make a big impact in the NWC.  The other NWC coaches must be at least encouraged about this.

Will they be good, probably.  But I don't think they will be as scary as they have been the last several years. 

Madz:  Certainly the trait of top programs, but that was Hayford not Logie.  Hayford was a master recruiter, filling in position holes every year, like Playball said.  I just don't see that with this year's incoming class.  Huge holes, freshman plugs.  It seems like Hayford would have brought in at least a couple of JC transfers (not a project).

And by now the Whitworth faithful have usually been all over this forum with massive predictions!

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5222 on: October 22, 2012, 12:12:45 am »
I'd be surprised if Farnsworth doesn't turn out to be one of the top big men in the conference. He's a local kid who went DI out of high school and didn't get a lot of time last year with Felix, Loofburrow, and tall Michael Taylor in the rotation ahead of him. Whiworth's strength will definitely be their guard play. Gebbers and McConnell will start (at least at the beginning of the season). McCargar will get more time, which I'm ok with. He plays great defense and started taking much better care of the ball about half way through last season. Supposedly there are a couple freshman who are very very talented, that may wind up working their way into the rotation. Aldous is very versatile from what I hear, which will help his cause. And even though Logie had to go to Turkey, I think he found another spot up 3 point shooter. I've always liked Payne, and he'll get a shot this season to contribute more at the 4. I'm excited to see him play. Real tough kid that does a good job of getting position and pulling down rebounds on both ends of the court.

I guess if I'm an NWC coach I look at Whitworth's team and feel a little better about myself, because they did lose a lot of production. But isn't that what you guys say every year???  ::)

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5223 on: November 06, 2012, 11:11:06 pm »
Whitworth alumni beat the young'ins...proving yet again that you should respect your elders...especially when a few of them are former all americans

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5224 on: November 07, 2012, 09:40:47 am »
Whitworth lost to DI Idaho St by 3 last night. Had a chance to tie on their last possession. Didn't watch the game obviously, but this was a good outcome for this year's team. I think most Whitworth fans were/are prepared for a slow start given the personnel losses. So I'm happy with this result.


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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5225 on: November 07, 2012, 06:20:55 pm »
I was about to give props to the LC team for hanging with OSU (lost the 1st half by 11 and the second by 14), but Rat chewed me up with that last post.  Idaho St is certainly down a few steps from OSU, but any time a DIII beats or has a chance to beat a DI is impressive.

Pacific is at Portland State Friday (I wish I could make that game, but work comes first) and Fox is there in December, so that will be indicators of how they are doing. 

LC loses by only 25 (respectable) without their arguably best player Hollins (haven't heard why he didn't play, but that should stir Playball up a bit :)), so maybe they will be better than I thought. 

A week and a half to go until the real games begin!

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5226 on: November 07, 2012, 06:48:54 pm »
Yeah, I think that's a good result for LC. It's always tough to tell when you are playing a DI program who considers it an exhibition game. How seriously are they taking it from the get go? How many minutes are the starters actually playing? Are there starters with minor injuries that just flat out sitting on the bench? Is the other coach messing with rotations for the sake of messing with rotations or is he coaching to embarrass the other team? How close was it in the first half vs the second half? etc.

Whitoworth hung around with Utah in an exhibition game back in the day...then Bogut decided to start playing basketball and the Utes ran away at the end...can't remember the final score but I'm pretty sure they broke it open to a 20+ point game in the last 10 minutes or so.

The first competition against other DIII teams will be telling, especially the "in-region" games, since those are a big part of your resume when it comes to playoff selection.

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5227 on: November 07, 2012, 08:50:08 pm »
HAHA!  TMT!  I decided on a whim to look at this tonight and look what I find! 

I've heard through the grapevine Hollins has re-injured his knee.  He didn't play on the LC ProAm team either, but was on the bench coaching (with help from the stands :-X)  From the sounds of it possibly another ACL tear.  Feel bad for the guy. Anytime a career is cut short due to injury is tough to swallow.   

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5228 on: November 07, 2012, 11:15:53 pm »
He is in the team photo and listed on their roster, so maybe he is coming back this year.

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5229 on: November 14, 2012, 02:21:18 pm »
Whitworth lost to DI Idaho St by 3 last night. Had a chance to tie on their last possession. Didn't watch the game obviously, but this was a good outcome for this year's team. I think most Whitworth fans were/are prepared for a slow start given the personnel losses. So I'm happy with this result.

The good news is that Whitworth didn't really play out of their heads by any means. They shot 48% and Wade was 0-7 from the field.  Even though they didn't add any big time transfers, Playball is correct that they seem to have developed what they had sitting on the bench to take the next step up. Whitworth has an old gym the guys can play in any time and the weight room is right downstairs. Great pickup games are going on all the time there. Probably contributes to Whitworth's success. 

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5230 on: November 14, 2012, 02:39:28 pm »
Yeah, I think that's a good result for LC. It's always tough to tell when you are playing a DI program who considers it an exhibition game. How seriously are they taking it from the get go? How many minutes are the starters actually playing? Are there starters with minor injuries that just flat out sitting on the bench? Is the other coach messing with rotations for the sake of messing with rotations or is he coaching to embarrass the other team? How close was it in the first half vs the second half? etc.

Whitoworth hung around with Utah in an exhibition game back in the day...then Bogut decided to start playing basketball and the Utes ran away at the end...can't remember the final score but I'm pretty sure they broke it open to a 20+ point game in the last 10 minutes or so.

The first competition against other DIII teams will be telling, especially the "in-region" games, since those are a big part of your resume when it comes to playoff selection.

Actually 509, from what I heard about the Utah game was that Bogut did not play, and in fact we only lost by 5.  Gunner Olsen scored 22 in that one.

Correction - found it in the NWC archives.  January 2, 2002.  Utah 63 Whitworth 57, so lost by 6...my bad.
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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5231 on: November 15, 2012, 02:18:55 pm »
Whitoworth hung around with Utah in an exhibition game back in the day...then Bogut decided to start playing basketball and the Utes ran away at the end...can't remember the final score but I'm pretty sure they broke it open to a 20+ point game in the last 10 minutes or so.

Actually 509, from what I heard about the Utah game was that Bogut did not play, and in fact we only lost by 5.  Gunner Olsen scored 22 in that one.

Correction - found it in the NWC archives.  January 2, 2002.  Utah 63 Whitworth 57, so lost by 6...my bad.

You are both right (or slightly wrong).  89, Bogut was not yet at Utah in the game you refer to.  The game that 509 refers to happened in January of 2005.  Bogut had 23 points in only 18 minutes.  Utes pulled away to win by 21.

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5232 on: November 16, 2012, 07:19:23 am »
A Buc Forever, I've been in that gym and its.....something else.  But, at least they have a place they can go whenever they like!  The same can not be said for Linfield.  One night we got in to our upstairs (small) gym and were promptly escorted out by Campo.  Difference in philosophies about some sports show vividly in the win categories

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5233 on: November 17, 2012, 10:02:51 pm »
I had keys to that old gym when I played at Whitworth and David could call security any time and they'd open the gym for him.  Really helps make a great culture.  When I visited McMinnville when I was in college there were a lot of players that stayed around and played a lot.  Didn't seem to be an issue getting gym time then.

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Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #5234 on: November 18, 2012, 11:31:56 am »
Sounds like Bob Castle was very impressed with the St Thomas team that beat Whitworth last night. Apparently their athleticism on the defensive end of the court is what got his attention. I didn't catch the whole game but from what I saw, that was the Whitworth team I was expecting to see this early in the season. They played with a top 10-15 type team, but made 2-3 too many mistakes to win and lose by 5. They only shot 27-ish% from 3 which is not what you're used to seeing up in Spokane. I'm sure UST had something to do with it but there were some really bad looking shots. Whether that's a mental thing or a talent thing (I couldn't tell who was shooting half the time), I have no idea. Overall, I'm glad they were able to schedule the UST and UMHB games so that these young/new guys get to see the level they have to play at to make a post season run.

And to anyone who was at the game last night, great job of showing up and supporting the team. St. Thomas coach and players  (from what i was told) were very impressed with the atmosphere. Well done.