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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: March 19, 2018, 03:06:07 pm »
I feel bad for Whitworth. They'll again play in the shadow of Whitman and their stock will fall in the fantasy leagues because of that.

I heard that Whitworth is really concerned with their Fantasy league stock...  ::)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: Midwest Conference
« on: March 14, 2018, 09:47:45 am »
Pat has goons?

I'll be one of Pat's goons if the benefits are decent.

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I commend to you the game preview from Whitman for tomorrow night's game:

http://athletics.whitman.edu/news/2018/3/7/mens-basketball-so-we-meet-again.aspx

It is well-written, well-researched, clearly done by someone who understands the game of basketball.


That's not to take away anything from UWSP's notes:

http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2018/3/8/mens-basketball-pointers-take-on-top-seed-whitman-in-ncaa-third-round-friday-in-platteville.aspx



The game tomorrow reminds me a lot of the UWSP @ University of Puget Sound match-up back in 2003-04, UPS ironically (or perhaps not?) coached by Eric Bridgeland.

In that game, UWSP was #10 defensively (59.6 ppg) and UPS was #3 offensively (103.3 ppg) in the country. Defense won out, as Point won that game 100-79. But, perhaps what's lost there is that UWSP was #4 in field goal percentage, at 50.9%.

This year, SP is #4 defensively (62.8 ppg) and Whitman is #4 offensively (99.0 ppg). Point is 7th in three-point percentage (40.8%).


Interestingly, in general, it isn't the defense that has let Stevens Point down. In the eight losses, Point has scored:

45
54
58
66
64
53
47
54

When UWSP has scored 70+, they're 16-0. If they score 60-69, they're 3-2 (though they've won their last 3 after starting 0-2). If they score less than 60, they're 1-6 (though they won their most recent, after starting 0-6).

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West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: March 08, 2018, 06:19:58 pm »

Point's issue will be their lack of size this year.  In a typical year, they'd be able to slow the pace down AND bang it inside against a smaller Whitman team.  This year the teams are much more alike in size and I suspect Whitman's pace and athleticism is the difference.  If Point can do a classic UWSP-perimeter defensive job, they can win, but I'm not sure this team is quite up to it.  I'd say 80-20 Whitman - not a surprise, necessarily if Point wins, but it would definitely be an upset.

This is an important point. This matchup reminds me a lot of the 2003-04 Sweet 16 match-up between UWSP and another Eric Bridgeland coached team in Puget Sound... when Stevens Point was able to slow UPS down and cut down their drives (with a zone... which isn't in Bob Semling's vocabulary) and the taller Pointers threw over the top of the press (the '03-04 Stevens Point team had 11 guys 6'5" or taller).

Nick Bennett had 37 that night, most shots of the lay-up variety.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament
« on: March 08, 2018, 09:13:26 am »
Yeah. That is a tough sell. Maybe play Tuesday and Friday? I do recall Lawrence fans complaining about the quick turnaround when they had to travel to Buena Vista (it was an IIAC team), on Thursday and then travel to Point for a Saturday game, and that had nothing to do with missed class time.

It was Gustavus Adolphus. Always and forever in St. Peter, Minnesota. And LU fans were just upset they didn't have anywhere to sit in Quandt because they were tailgating until 5 minutes after tip-off and it was a packed house.

As an aside, it's refreshing to have a bracket that's more diverse these days...

02-03 Gustavus Adolphus beat UWSP in the second round
03-04 UWSP beat Gustavus Adolphus in the second round Puget Sound in the Sweet 16 and Lawrence in the Elite 8
04-05 UWSP beat Lawrence (who beat GA in the first round) in the second round, Pugets Sound in the Sweet 16

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: D3 Championship Belt
« on: March 02, 2018, 04:25:35 pm »
East Stroudsburg '78-'79... here's what I was able to find (not sure if this gets us anywhere)...


https://static.psacsports.org/custompages/mbball/Year-by-Year%20Men's%20Basketball%20PSAC%20Champions.pdf?path=mbball

They were 4-8 in the league, 12-15 Overall


Don Bones was included in the NCAA ranking history sheet at ESU:

https://static.esuwarriors.com/custompages/MBB/PSAC%20individual%20rankings%20-%20MBB.pdf

1978-79 Scoring Don Bones t-39 19.8 points/game
 FT % Don Bones 17 .854 (76 for 89)


Don Bones was Honorable Mention NABC KODAK All-America in both 1980 and 1981:

https://static.esuwarriors.com/custompages/MBB/Postseason%20Honors.pdf

Confirmed this is D-II

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20140325/Sports/403250303


So in '79-'80 and '80-'81, they were D-II and in the NCAA (in some way shape or form) in '78-'79.  Is that close enough?

No, not really, since we're looking for the 1976-77 season. If we had an indication of D2 status for East Stroudsburg prior to that, as well as the info that we have that the Warriors were D2 subsequent to '76-'77, then we'd have pretty solid circumstantial evidence. Thanks, anyway.

Crumb. I thought I was close.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: D3 Championship Belt
« on: March 02, 2018, 01:48:33 pm »
East Stroudsburg '78-'79... here's what I was able to find (not sure if this gets us anywhere)...


https://static.psacsports.org/custompages/mbball/Year-by-Year%20Men's%20Basketball%20PSAC%20Champions.pdf?path=mbball

They were 4-8 in the league, 12-15 Overall


Don Bones was included in the NCAA ranking history sheet at ESU:

https://static.esuwarriors.com/custompages/MBB/PSAC%20individual%20rankings%20-%20MBB.pdf

1978-79 Scoring Don Bones t-39 19.8 points/game
 FT % Don Bones 17 .854 (76 for 89)


Don Bones was Honorable Mention NABC KODAK All-America in both 1980 and 1981:

https://static.esuwarriors.com/custompages/MBB/Postseason%20Honors.pdf

Confirmed this is D-II

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20140325/Sports/403250303


So in '79-'80 and '80-'81, they were D-II and in the NCAA (in some way shape or form) in '78-'79.  Is that close enough?

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: D3 Championship Belt
« on: February 28, 2018, 01:35:46 pm »
So after putting in several painstaking hours to live up to my billing as the Official BeltTM CartographerTM (I'm getting this before the Weasels can :P ), I have charted every gym where The BeltTM has either been played for or taken up residence in. The finished product can be seen here.

For full disclosure: I'm not 100 percent satisfied with this. I only marked each location down once and just tried to put a ton of detail in on each of those schools where The BeltTM changed hands. National champions got the brown marker for national champions even if other criteria were fulfilled. This meant a ton of details in places like St. Thomas and UWSP. Maybe after the season is over I'll go through and do multiple markers in places to show every category that was fulfilled in each gym.

I didn't count the number of games in each facility so I can't be sure where The BeltTM has been the most, though the most likely answer is Salem (22 NCAA Tournament games, plus 3 ODAC Tournament games back in 2007 when this was first getting charted and I had no idea what I was getting into as a senior in high school preparing to go to a D3 school).

By my count, assuming I didn't miss anything, 114 colleges have either held The BeltTM or hosted a game where The BeltTM, not counting one non-D3 institution that hosted a competition, plus five other neutral site venues.

I also discovered that I've announced two games for The BeltTM, one of which I didn't know about before when UW-Whitewater held ItTM following their 2014 national championship when they came to North Central for their old Tipoff Tournament. NCC was originally supposed to play Whitewater on the second day, but instead we played Trinity International and likely crippled our NCAA Tournament chances by doing so while also missing out on The BeltTM. Alas.

Interestingly, Stevens Point doesn't have as much activity as Whitewater or Augustana.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: February 25, 2018, 12:00:41 am »
I think I'm coming to Point.

Darn it...game's on Sunday. Won't make it...unless I skip my son's roller skating birthday party.

He'll have another birthday next year!

Explain that one to my wife. LOL

I'd like to see John explain that one to his wife. ;)

None of my children were born during basketball season (at least once games begin). I made sure we didn't HAVE to have this conversation!

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Central Region / Re: MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: February 23, 2018, 11:26:59 pm »
Platteville is a Pool C Lock.

Oshkosh is pretty strong too.

There's an outside chance that if River Falls beats Stevens Point, that the WIAC could get FOUR teams in the tournament (first time since 1997, I think).

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Central Region / Re: MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: February 23, 2018, 10:45:56 pm »
I think I'm coming to Point.

Darn it...game's on Sunday. Won't make it...unless I skip my son's roller skating birthday party.

He'll have another birthday next year!

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: February 20, 2018, 04:53:41 pm »
If those games count as non-conference, I would think they count in the ncSOS. A few years ago (could be 10 or more), Stevens Point played a rare non-conference game against Oshkosh and then played them twice in conference and then again in the WIAC tournament.

2003-04

https://static.wiacsports.com/custompages/mbasket/Results/200304MenBasketballStandingResult.htm

Mon
12/22/03
UW-Stevens Point 63, UW-Oshkosh 55 (non-conf)
Las Vegas, NV

Wed
1/21/04
UW-Stevens Point 68, UW-Oshkosh 53 (conf)
Stevens Point

Tue
2/17/04
UW-Stevens Point 63, UW-Oshkosh 61 (conf)
Oshkosh

Thur
2/24/04
UW-Stevens Point 70, UW-Oshkosh 59 (conf tournament)
Stevens Point

The conference tournament game was game 2 in a 9-game winning streak that won the first National Title.


Ironically, we lost to Superior (the 7 seed) at home during the final conference game of the year which broke a string of 4 straight WIAC titles (Rich Melzer-led River Falls won the title and broke a 50+ year conference title drought). And Stevens Point just lost to Eau Claire (the 7 seed) during the final conference game of the year...  ;) ;) ;)

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: February 20, 2018, 02:00:25 pm »
Do we know whether non-conference games against conference opponents will count toward a team's non-conference strength-of-schedule?  For example, Amherst, Williams, and Wesleyan each play one another home-and-home, but only three of those six games count toward the NESCAC standings.  My working assumption is that such games would not be considered for ncSOS, but that's just a guess.  Dave or Pat, any word from the committee on this?

How exactly does a conference opponent qualify as a non-conference game?  Sorry for my ignorance.
I assume by mutual consent of the 2 teams with notification of/approval by/acknowledgment from the conference office depending upon conference bylaws. It happens not infrequently in the "island" areas of D3 (ASC, NWC and maybe the SCIAC) and occasionally in the WIAC for football.

This sounds like a scrimmage, hopefully these kind of games have no effect on rankings.  Really screwy, since I believe part of the RPI ranking takes into account home vs away wins.  Winning on the road is "worth" more, I believe.
Respectfully, I went to the WIAC football site and randomly clicked on a team's schedule for the season and found this. UWEC played UWRF twice in 2011. The first game was "non-conference".

http://www.d3football.com/teams/UW-Eau_Claire/2011/index

The WIAC did that for cost reasons... because scheduling was so difficult, they were having to travel really far.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: February 17, 2018, 09:09:25 pm »
Stevens Point hurts their Pool C chances, losing at Eau Claire 56-55.

Point took the lead with 18 seconds left after trailing by 9 at the half but let EC get an uncontested layup with FOUR fouls to give under 10 seconds.

Platteville secures at least a share of the conference title before they even tip off... Oh, and they lead 38-17 at the half.

The Pios are GOOD.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: February 16, 2018, 09:11:59 am »
Platteville 11-2 v River Falls
Stevens Point 11-2 at Eau Claire

Oshkosh 8-5 at Stout
River Falls 7-6 at Platteville
Whitewater 6-7 v La Crosse
La Crosse 4-9 at Whitewater
Eau Claire 3-10 v Stevens Point

Stout 2-11 Oshkosh

If Point and Platteville tie, Platteville wins tie breaker by going 2-0 vs Oshkosh
If Oshkosh and River Falls tie, Oshkosh wins the tie breaker by sweeping River Falls
If River Falls and Whitewater tie, River Falls wins the tie breaker by sweeping Whitewater
If La Crosse and Eau Claire tie, Eau Claire wins the tie breaker by beating Point on the last day.

I think...

So based on this...

Platteville 1 or 2
Stevens Point 1or 2
Oshkosh 3
River Falls 4
Whitewater 5
La Crosse 6 or out
Eau Claire 6 or out

Sound right?

Yep, that's how I've got it too

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