2022 D3 tourney

[Gregory Sager]

Biggest margin of victory in any D3 title game ever.

Total domination by what is emphatically the best team in D3.

[Greek Tragedy]

As a neutral fan, kind of an anticlimactic, boring Final Four. An 18 point game, a 22 point game and a 30 point Final. Congratulations to everyone that made it there, though.

[Gregory Sager]

Yeah, it kinda was. I had bigger expectations for it, but the games were too one-sided.

[ronk]

 Surprised to hear that the CCIW(1 of the 4 power conferences) hadn't had a title game participant since 1997.

[y_jack_lok]

Surprised to hear that the CCIW(1 of the 4 power conferences) hadn't had a title game participant since 1997.

What are the 4 power conferences?

[ronk]

 CCIW, WIAC, NESCAC, and ?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

CCIW, WIAC, NESCAC, and ?

UAA is usually the fourth, although the ODAC and OAC are pretty close.

[kiko]

Surprised to hear that the CCIW(1 of the 4 power conferences) hadn't had a title game participant since 1997.

CCIW hasn't *won* since 1997.  It has had c-game participants in three of the most recent six tournaments, and five different schools reach the final four in the most recent eight tournaments.

[Baldini]

CCIW, WIAC, NESCAC, and ?

UAA is usually the fourth, although the ODAC and OAC are pretty close.

The final conference rankings on Massey.

1.) WIAC
2.) UAA
3.) CCIW
4.) ODAC
5.) OAC
6.) NESCAC

[Next Man Up]

CCIW, WIAC, NESCAC, and ?

UAA is usually the fourth, although the ODAC and OAC are pretty close.

The final conference rankings on Massey.

1.) WIAC
2.) UAA
3.) CCIW
4.) ODAC
5.) OAC
6.) NESCAC

If you want to call me ignorant, that’s fine, but I have a difficult time understanding how the conference getting three teams in the national championship, one of which made the Sweet 16, one the Elite 8, and one the national championship game, can be ranked third rather than first. Plus, the fourth place team in the conference defeated the #1 team in the conference tournament, and came within one game of having four teams from the conference make the Big Dance. Did the conferences listed as #1 and #2 really do better this season? 

[Greek Tragedy]

I don't know. Maybe the Massey rankings were before the NCAA tournament? Maybe they are based on non-conference records? Strength of schedule? Remember, the conference ranking isn't just based on  what IWU, Elmhurst and Wheaton did.

[Mr. Ypsi]

CCIW, WIAC, NESCAC, and ?

UAA is usually the fourth, although the ODAC and OAC are pretty close.

The final conference rankings on Massey.

1.) WIAC
2.) UAA
3.) CCIW
4.) ODAC
5.) OAC
6.) NESCAC

If you want to call me ignorant, that’s fine, but I have a difficult time understanding how the conference getting three teams in the national championship, one of which made the Sweet 16, one the Elite 8, and one the national championship game, can be ranked third rather than first. Plus, the fourth place team in the conference defeated the #1 team in the conference tournament, and came within one game of having four teams from the conference make the Big Dance. Did the conferences listed as #1 and #2 really do better this season? 

Conference rankings are (and should be) done top-to-bottom, not just how good the top is.  I haven't followed things as closely this year as I used to, but suspect the bottom of the CCIW may have been worse than the bottom of the WIAC and UAA.  And while the top of the NESCAC is often top 2-3, the bottom can be downright dreadful (by 'power conference' standards).

[WUPHF]

Conference rankings are (and should be) done top-to-bottom, not just how good the top is.  I haven't followed things as closely this year as I used to, but suspect the bottom of the CCIW may have been worse than the bottom of the WIAC and UAA. 

This UAA was the best top to bottom that I can ever remember.

It is hard to imagine that many conferences have finished with 4 teams in the Top 25 and only one team outside the Top 100.  In this case, NYU finished just outside at No. 102.

The CCIW by contrast finished with three teams in the Top 25 and three teams outside the Top 100.

But yeah, if you rank a conference by the top teams are how far they go in the tournament as expressed elsewhere, then Massey is definitely not for you.

[BaboNation]

Looking at the Massey data today it’s pretty evident that their conference rankings do indeed cover the postseason.

As others have pointed out the entire conference comes into play, top to bottom, so while the elite members of the conference get the attention the “ball don’t lie” as they say.  It’s not unusual for some conference members to act as boat anchors, counteracting the work done at the top.

So, the total OOC records, including postseason were:

WIAC 67-20 .770
UAA   73-23 .760
CCIW 63-28 .692
ODAC 57-50 .533

though this is just one metric used in the Massey rankings.

The WIAC had just one team (Stevens Point) that was underwater OOC at 3-4.  The UAA also had just one in Chicago at 5-6.  The CCIW had 2 (N. Central and Carroll).
The WIAC jumps off the page at 67-17 excluding the postseason.  Of course not all OOC opponents are created equal, but across the board the Massey metrics for the WIAC are #1 with just one exception (Off).  Clearly the WIAC was #1 as a whole.

While the CCIW had a very strong season, including 10 tournament games overall, those 10 games were not enough (to Massey) to “carry” the weight of the other 81 OOC games.
And looking at the Massey metrics across the board it appears (to them) that the CCIW was closer to the ODAC @ #4 (#2 SOS for example) than the UAA @ #2 for the year.

Of course we aren’t privy to the secret sauce behind all the Massey numbers.  How much weight does/should a Final Four game carry relative to playing the same team in an earlier round for example?  Those are beer debate questions and thankfully can be argued many ways … lest we have fewer excuses for those beers.

[kiko]

The WIAC had just one team (Stevens Point) that was underwater OOC at 3-4.  The UAA also had just one in Chicago at 5-6.  The CCIW had 2 (N. Central and Carroll).

I don't disagree with your broader point, but North Central was not underwater in non-conference play.  The Cardinals were 5-3 excluding the conference tournament, and 7-4 if you include it.  Carroll was the only sub-.500 team in the conference this year.