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Title: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on May 21, 2005, 11:48:50 AM
Doug that was not a cultural dig, but you will read into it whatever you will.  You tend to be overly sensitive about those things.

Jack, I agree with you about the 2 teams from Maryville. I know Coach Beaty would like the opportunity to be a Head Coach.  

Matt Grubb, first of all I'm glad you had a nice time in Nashville! Secondly, Lambert can have all of the kids from Nashville, I could care less. I think Fisk only had 2 kids from Nashville on their roster last season. So long as Lambert stays out of Memphis, I'm happy. If the truth be told Lambert really is "stealing" them from SCAC Sewanee rather than Fisk! Fisk doesn't compete with Maryville for the same basketball recruits.  We are like Notre Dame - the whole nation is our recruiting base!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2005, 04:25:28 PM
Jack, the GSAC will need 2 more men's teams to get the AQ.  (I believe that the women should have their AQ in 1-2 years.)

I would love for the GSAC to grow to that size, and that explains my investigations as to new member initiatives, e.g., an independent such as UDallas or a Thomas More, an invitation to the SCAC's Oglethorpe or moving a Berea or a Shorter from the NAIA.  I would feel badly when some GSAC team splits the season series with Maryville, wins the post-season tourney over Maryville, but doesn't get the Pool B bid for which everyone in the GSAC is now competing.

Thomas More's move to the Pres AC will take the Pres AC into Pool A in the next couple of years.  (My guess is for the 2008 tourney unless there is some new legislation allowing re-organization for the sake of a Pool A).  NJCU moves back to the NJAC for 2006.  The North East AC moves those Pool B schools and its allocated bid into Pool A, probably in 2007.  Also the new UMAC will get a Pool A bid by the start of the next decade, at some expense to the Pool B teams.  Wearing an AD's hat, I can see a real advantage to having an AQ in the other sports, e.g., soccer, baseball.  Even Cross Country, Golf and Tennis are exploring AQ's.  

Good luck in the off-season!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 21, 2005, 11:37:15 PM
William:  I did not say your relocation suggestion to Grubb was a "cultural dig," but then again I guess having not gone to a little Notre Dame, perhaps I may be too sensitive....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on May 22, 2005, 02:16:36 PM
Doug you may need to go to some "I'm okay, you're okay" type seminars!  Or better yet watch Dr. Phil for a month or so.  That could help you with your sensitivity issues.  Or even better go talk to Coach Haynes, he's an amateur psychologist of note ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 22, 2005, 11:20:25 PM
Speaking of ok, William, your alma mater was very well represented today at Maryville's commencement, where Congressman John Lewis received a Doctor of Laws and gave the address.  In his talk, entitled "Get in the Way," he urged graduates to commit themselves to making this a better world.  He was not then and is not now willing to accept the idea that things are "ok."  He knew that before he arrived at Fisk, but he was propelled from there into a fine life of struggle for peace and justice.  He made both our alma maters look good today.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on May 23, 2005, 12:24:21 PM
Congressman Lewis is great guy, now we have to return the favor and have Coach Lambert speak at Fisk's annual athletic banquet!  

(That's a joke, although Lambert could combine it with one of his Nashville area recruiting trips, and Grubb can show him around the nice entertainment establishments that Matt frequents while in Nashville)  

On a serious note, if my schedule permits I hope to be able to make it the Fisk-Maryville game in Maryville next season.  I've got to see for myself what this "hostile" environment is like for myself.  You can't miss me, I'll be wearing a blue FISK letter sweater with my real name - William Burton - on the front of it and '85 on the left arm in gold!  I was too broke at the time to put an All-SCAC patch on it, but the good news is that I can still fit in it...

(Message edited by wilburt on May 23, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Brett on May 23, 2005, 03:10:38 PM
The two kids from Maryville are adequate at best. They are just role players for the next four years. Talking to some coaches and fans of the Scots, they say the recruiting class for this upcoming year might be the weakest Lambert has had in awhile. Two main concerns replacing Ellis and Placere? Can it be done.. I believe it can be done. Mason will be tested a lot more this year by other teams and Calloway and Golden being the main offensive threats wont have as many looks since Placeres and Ellis are gone. Once again like I said before  the Scots will lose their first conference game in 6 years in the regular season and for the second time give up the Conference title to Fisk, of course if Fisk brings everyone back..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 23, 2005, 10:58:46 PM
William:  It will be a pleasure finally to meet you.  And if Brett is right, you might even enjoy the game!

Brett: Can you tell us more about the incoming group?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheBreakout on May 24, 2005, 09:31:48 AM
I am just patiently waiting for the second coming of brent watts.  When someone signs with that guys talents, i will then be impressed and will become more involved in the summer conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on May 24, 2005, 11:04:17 AM
Brett I am not falling for it.  Maryville will be good as usual. What? You have got 5 recruits so far - two big men and three guards, plus the returnees.  Pull-ease, until someone in the GSAC can consistently beat MC (rather than just compete with MC like the close games in the most recent GSAC tourney) then MC will be (and should be) the odds on favorites for the 2006 GSAC title!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 09, 2005, 11:48:21 PM
Here is a link to a not very informative announcement from Murvul's web about men's basketball recruits.  http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1067
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on June 12, 2005, 01:19:25 PM
Looks like from the press release that Maryville will have an above average recruiting class per usual.  

No info from me on any Fisk b-ball recruits until school starts...

However, I hear that we do have an All-State soccer player from New Jersey coming to the hallowed Nashville campus!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on June 12, 2005, 01:30:11 PM
I see that the GSAC basketball tourney will be hosted by Huntingdon College next year.  Uh ohh...

Montgomery can be a tough place to play!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Brett on July 06, 2005, 03:58:48 PM
I will be the first one to say that for the first time Maryville will lose a conference game in the regular season and they will also not win the Conference Championship especially that its hosted dowin in Huntingdon.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on July 15, 2005, 02:04:54 PM
I see that LaGrange and Murvul have completed their schedules for 2005-06.  Glad to see MC playing some teams from the Midwest.  Long overdue IMHO.  Coach Haynes good job playing UDallas and Rust.  Yet to see Fisk's schedule but they will likely only be playing only one D1 team next season - Tennessee State.  Looks like no D1 Lipscomb and D1 Belmont for next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Haynes on July 16, 2005, 07:40:48 AM
William, it is a good job if we beat them but a bad idea if we lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 16, 2005, 03:11:56 PM
Great schedule, Coach Haynes!  Do you return the UDallas game in 2006-07?:-)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Haynes on July 17, 2005, 01:01:22 PM
We are planning it that way.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on July 26, 2005, 07:33:09 AM
Basketball aside, I am hearing good things about Fisk's anticipated incoming freshman class.  A very bright group of kids (spinkled in with a few valedictorians and salutatorians) from all over the country!

I can't wait to see this year's basketball roster for FISK! Looking at my calendar I think I can make the LaGrange/Huntingdon weekend games in Nashville (early January).  It will be great to see Dr. Glover again and finally meet coaches Duckworth and Haynes.  For you Murvul guys, the Fisk-Maryville game is always Wednesday night, and that appears to be true for next season. Can't take time off for that rivalry game (or TSU - the other rivalry game), unless a miracle happens.

(Message edited by wilburt on July 26, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on July 27, 2005, 06:51:32 PM
it's not a rivalry until fisk wins more than 1 out of 10 or something
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 27, 2005, 10:17:37 PM
So scotswin, is that like MC and Carson-Newman?  Those games sure seem like "rivalry games" when they are being played....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on July 28, 2005, 07:14:59 AM
Thank you Doug. You are so correct. Same thing is true for the Fisk-TSU games.  Fisk is 2 out 10 (or something like that in recent years) against TSU but 7,000+ people show up each year for that "rivalry game" better known as the battle of Jefferson Street.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2005, 09:28:51 PM
William, how much of the gate does Fisk get from the TSU game? :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on July 29, 2005, 07:33:08 AM
Don't know Ralph...  All I know is that the Fisk-TSU game has been the highest attended game on TSU's schedule in recent years.  I hear that the average OVC game attendance at TSU varies from 2,000 to 4,000, so IMHO TSU will continue to schedule Fisk for years to come. It is a $$$ maker...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on July 29, 2005, 10:42:15 PM
It's a much bigger "rivalry" for the team that loses every year.  You can't deny that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on July 30, 2005, 03:16:18 PM
I can deny that scotswin ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Haynes on August 01, 2005, 11:51:27 AM
William,
When can we get a copy of that roster you are so excited about?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on August 01, 2005, 12:37:39 PM
Coach Haynes, the only player I am aware of coming to Fisk in the fall so far is Jeremy Rawls from Peoria Central H.S. in Peoria, Illinois.  He's 6-1, played on back-to-back Illinois State championship teams (2002-03 and 2003-04). One of his former high school teammates on those State title teams now plays for the LA Clippers.

Call Dr. Glover for the rest (smile)...


(Message edited by wilburt on August 1, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on August 02, 2005, 07:20:18 AM
For those of you who are curious, Jeremy's H.S. teammate was Shaun Livingston who turned down a scholarship at Duke to enter the 2004 NBA draft.  Now he is with the LA Clippers.  

I also hear that Jeremy was Class President and a National Honor Society member at his H.S.

Happy he decided to become a BULLDOG!

(Message edited by wilburt on August 2, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on August 11, 2005, 07:23:17 AM
Looking at the Maryville roster I noticed that 6-10 Kyle Roberts is not on the 2005-06 roster. Did he transfer?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Haynes on August 11, 2005, 09:58:18 AM
William, I think he entered the NBA draft.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on August 11, 2005, 04:59:23 PM
Kyle must have had a great agent ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: william burton on August 15, 2005, 07:38:18 AM
You Maryville guys are disappointing me...

I am trying to keep a lively discussion going on here and you let me down!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 15, 2005, 11:28:43 PM
William:  I was trying to stick to what I know as factual but that is not exciting, so I will engage in rumor-mongering.  I think I heard that Kyle was finding the academic requirements to be a big adjustment....  

I do see that two guys who were hurt all last year and who were slated to contribute a lot are back (Greg Martin and Jonathan Johnson).

Breakout et al:  You usually know things...what is up on campus?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 18, 2005, 11:50:04 AM
The Maryville newspaper says Lambert has recruited a freshman point from Miami...he was hurt much of his senior year but was all (some) District as a junior.  Lambert was quoted as saying he is quick and likes up-tempo ball.  Maybe he ate the same food as Placeres down there.  Don't know if Bo Mason will play point too, although that is how he is listed on the roster, but with his ability to shoot it would be good if someone else could run the team.  How's that, William..."real" information!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 20, 2005, 11:59:13 AM
Getting used to this new posting system from Pat Coleman...

Now that is some "real news" Doug!  Any reports from Piedmont or LaGrange?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 23, 2005, 08:04:06 AM
Nice article in today's Nashville paper on Fisk.  Check it out, it does the GSAC proud!

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050823/NEWS04/508230342
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 23, 2005, 10:38:30 AM
Thanks, William.   Looks like Pres. O'Leary is putting some of her connections to good use.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 24, 2005, 08:01:20 AM
Thanks Doug, it's great to have some good news about FISK.  But tell me more about Rashard.  Is he expected to see a lot of time or even start?   

How did Lambert get a pipeline to Miami?  That's a far cry from East Tennessee. First Doan, then Placeres now Rashard...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 24, 2005, 10:59:43 AM
William:  I do not know the answers to any of your good questions.  I do know that MC has active alums in Florida and I suspect that the first ones from an area are the hardest...if kids have a good experience at MC, word gets around.  Also, several football recruits are from Florida.

There are no obvious point guards (other than Bo Mason) on the roster and I know Randy was really after a player from Knoxville who would have been a great point guard...he was not able to swing the finances and went somewhere in NAIA with scholarship money.

Maryville has a home and home with Methodist, which seems to be the team to beat in the USA South.   Is Fisk playing Christopher-Newport up there again?  I am sure C-N won't visit Nashville!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 25, 2005, 01:17:28 AM
There is an unsubstantiated report that Tuesday pm's 1.6 (Richter scale) micro-earthquake at Sweetwater TN was not due to the Maryville men's basketball team's lifting weights in the off-season.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Quakes/sehwb0823b.htm

Only 51 days and counting... :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 25, 2005, 01:14:37 PM
With what I understand about Murvul's football coach, however, it could have been whatever he does to the team as they prepare to indicate what they think of being projected last in their new USA South conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 25, 2005, 04:31:44 PM
Doug I think all DIII basketball coaches lose recruits to NAIA schools fairly frequently.  I'm sure Coach Haynes could elaborate more on that. It is just the nature of the beast...

As for playing CNU, I don't know yet.  CNU nor Fisk has released it schedule yet.   But I don't envy the players with that 12 hour bus ride from Nashville to SE Virginia they had to do last year, despite the generous guarantee that CNU provides!    But from what I hear, CNU has some of the nicest basketball facilities in DIII land.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 26, 2005, 08:15:14 AM
William,
I could elaborate on it but that would only ruin my Friday.  We are happy with our 13 returners and 6 new guys.  Someday I think they will pan out to be above average.  Freshman move in on the 30th, classes start on the 7th and practice starts on the 8th. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 27, 2005, 04:39:39 PM
I see that FISK will be playing 4-time ODAC champion Randolph-Macon (RMC) on the road (Ashland, Virginia) in RMC's Rees Jewelers Christmas Classic 12-29 and 12-30.  IMHO, everyone must be returning to the Bulldog team and Dr. Glover must think the Bulldogs have a shot at an NCAA tourney bid in order to schedule RMC in an X-mas Tourney like that.  Anything the Bulldogs need to lookout for traveling into ODAC territory this winter Breakout? 

Here's the schedule: 

REES JEWELERS CHRISTMAS CLASSIC

29 Kenyon College (OH) vs. Farmingdale State University (NY)
ASHLAND 6:00 p.m.
29 Fisk University (TN) vs. Randolph-Macon College (VA)
ASHLAND 8:00 p.m.

30 Consolation Game
ASHLAND 6:00 p.m.
30 Championship Game
ASHLAND 8:00 p.m.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2005, 05:05:37 PM
Why would scheduling this tournament be so much different than going to CNU's tournament the past couple years?

My advice -- stay off I-95 between 3:30 and 7 p.m. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 28, 2005, 11:51:04 AM
Several reasons Pat.

1.  The FISK team stays 3 nights in the Richmond area, rather than 1 or 2 nights for one game w/ CNU like last year or for a CNU tourney in year's past in Newport News.

2.  This tourney is after X-mas so the team doesn't have to worry about upcoming exams.

3.  I know that there were some prospective ball players FISK had been looking at to recruit from Richmond.   

4.  Finally, it would be a nice road win for the Bulldogs, if they can pull of the victory!

GREAT ADVICE MR. COLEMAN...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: wilburt on August 28, 2005, 11:51:04 AM1.  The FISK team stays 3 nights in the Richmond area, rather than 1 or 2 nights for one game w/ CNU like last year or for a CNU tourney in year's past in Newport News.

Interesting. Pretty sure this tournament didn't require a three-night stay. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 29, 2005, 07:43:19 AM
Pat I agree with you, but you have to make do sometimes ;) !

Where's Mr. Ryan from Piedmont College?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 07, 2005, 08:31:07 AM
Classes finally start today at LC.  It is beautiful weather and such a promising time of year.  We are probably the last school to start classes in the GSAC so I am sure we are a week or so behind the practice schedule of everyone else.  To start the year I would like to say something about our conference.  We are small and have a varied group of personalities within our conference but like young conferences do we have increased overall competitiveness.  This season should be the most intense yet in the GSAC with HC bringing back all but one of a very experienced squad, PC returning their young guns, if FU has everyone back that is supposed to be back we could be looking at the most talented team in GSAC history, MC lost a GSAC First team player and person in Sidney Ellis but the next one is never too far away up there, and finally ole LC returns a rag tag bunch of undersized, over-confident guys who hopefully will find some leadership among them and get together before Nov. 18.

Tell your friends to check their calendar and see as many games as you can this year.  I promise it will be entertaining and every bit as good as what you will see on tv.  Make a weekend trip to Maryville & Nashville or LaGrange & Montgomery or enjoy the mountains of N. Georgia at Demorest.  If you like basketball you will love this GSAC season!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 07, 2005, 02:27:21 PM
Coach Haynes

I hope that you are correct about FU being one of the most talented teams in GSAC history. I secretly harbor thoughts of the Bulldogs going to the Final Four this season, but I don't share that with the public that often ;D

Last year I thought FISK should have won the GSAC tourney.  I am still amazed that we could hold a D3 All-American and two-time GSAC Player of the Year to ONLY 2 points and still lose the championship game? AMAZING...

My sleeper team for the year is Huntingdon.  They came awfully close to beating both Maryville and Fisk last season, and I would expect them to improve this season with more confidence gained from last season.  I hope there is not another 3-way tie for second place like last season!     

Maryville will be well coached and probably post another 20 win season again this year. I am not sure about Piedmont, but Coach Haynes wants us to believe again this year that he has no talent.   I am sure that LaGrange is must better than Coach Haynes lets on...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 11, 2005, 01:26:36 PM
Fisk has recently registered about 35 college students from New Orleans Colleges (Dillard and Xavier Universities) recently devastated by Hurricane Katrina.  Have any of the other GSAC schools registered students affected by the Hurricane? 

I am confident that most everyone has contributed or will personally contribute something to the relief effort.  It is just heart-breaking to see the devastation day in and day out on the news...   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 12, 2005, 11:41:59 AM
William,
We have only a couple of students transfer I think.  A faculty member from the Theatre department organized a trip to ocean springs, MS this past Saturday in order to help out his family and a few of their friends in the neighborhood.  We took down 6 of our guys and worked all day on a few houses.  It is amazing how from house to house the damage  could be on opposite ends of the spectrum.  I worked in a house about 100 yards from the shore which has a lot of damage and tree uprooted and moved 50 feet, but their neighboor's house which was a two-story well above 2000 sq ft was moved 20 feet off it's foundation.  There was everything from limbs in a yard to cars being thrown through houses and we were 90 miles from where the eye hit.  It was uplifting the amount of support the people in this area were able to recieve.  It seemed like every parking lot had an organization set up with water, clothes, food and other items.  There are good things at work in the gulf.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 17, 2005, 11:12:40 AM
Update on Fisk's 2005-06 schedule.  In addition to playing at Randolph-Macon for their X-mas tourney, the Bulldogs will be visiting Mississippi College on December 10th.   They will be traveling to Mississippi before then at Millsaps College Thankgiving weekend round-robin.

Those are a lot of tough road games to be heading into the GSAC season come January.  I hope we can step up to the challenge :'(...   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 22, 2005, 08:38:58 AM
My computer must be broken.  Practice starts in less than a month and none of you guys have a smidgen of excitement posted on this board.  I guess the other women(football) must be taking up most of your time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 23, 2005, 07:26:43 AM
I ask for excitement for the GSAC and I get a plug for someone's sister.  Wonderful.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 23, 2005, 10:21:22 AM
Not to worry coach, the posting to which you refer appears on other boards.  Irrelevant as it is, it is not a response to your plea for excitement.  Then again, we have not heard her sing.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 25, 2005, 01:23:08 PM
I suspect that last season (despite the GSAC championships) was somewhat of a disappointment to Maryville  College (MC) fans. In light of the fact of MC's Pre-season Top 10 ranking in Street and Smith's Magazine, they still had to struggle to win two games in the GSAC tourney and lost a NCAA tourney game on their home floor (unheard of in modern history).  I guess MC fans were so used to the relative cakewalk in Home NCAA tourney games and previous GSAC seasons (excluding the 2002-03 season) that they are probably still in a state of shock after last season.  The shock has apparently resonated so deep in Murvul that except for my friend Doug, MC fans have been noticeably SILENT about this upcoming season! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 28, 2005, 07:25:11 AM
FYI Coach Haynes;

Fisk has all their starters returning from last season, including Breakout's favorite player Chris Adams!  We will be a senior dominated team (Courtney Ellis, Cedric Thomas, Jeremiah Williamson et al), and with the recent expansion of the number NCAA D3 tourney teams, the Bulldogs should be able to contend for one of the tourney spots! :)

More news from Nashville later...   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 28, 2005, 02:55:29 PM
Willaim:  If I were a Fisk fan, I, like you, would be anxious to start.  You return a solid and experienced group.  If Coach Glover can persuade Mr. Adams to play more and talk less, y'all could be scary.

It is less clear what MC will bring, so some of us are more cautious about predictions.  We know they will play hard and be well prepared and coached.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 05, 2005, 07:51:39 AM
Doug all I can say is what a difference a year makes.  ???

It is amazing what a couple of back-to -back wins against a D1 school can do for recruiting...

This time last season Brett's man crush on Placeres was in full bloom,  Breakout and I were arguing,  Matt Grubb was being himself, and Jason Michelle Doan chimed in from time to time with his biting rants.  Their silence is DEAFENING  ::)

I guess you could say we are cautiously optimistic about this upcoming season at Fisk.   With a lot of hard work, focus, dedication and a few breaks here and there the Bulldogs could have a memorable season!   We play two key of road games against outstanding D3 teams (Randolph-Macon and Mississippi College) that will be an early indicator of how we stack up in the South Region.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 18, 2005, 07:55:17 AM
My, my...

Practice has already started and this board is DEAD silent. >:(

I see that Piedmont has released its 2005-06 roster on its website.  Nice group of returning kids coming back.

I also see that Coach Haynes has released his 2005-06 team picture on his team website.  You look well dressed as always Coach! Any word on how good your new players are yet?

Huntingdon has returned 4 out of 5 starters from a team last season that went 17-10, so it looks like the 3 teams with a viable chance of competing and winning the GSAC title this season are (in no particular order of course) FISK, Huntingdon and Maryville.

Let the games begin...

By the way, where is Asst. Coach Beaty?  The self proclaimed greatest assistant coach and recruiting coordinator in the GSAC.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Grubb on October 18, 2005, 01:38:25 PM
guess who's back!!!!!!!!!
yeah as usual i see one contender for the gsac title
MURVUL
read it and wear it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: DaveMeggett on October 19, 2005, 12:41:48 PM
Nice to see how you guys are already counting out Piedmont. With a solid group of returners they could be in the hunt for the GSAC title.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 19, 2005, 12:58:48 PM
Yes, Piedmont does have a solid group of players coming back based on the posted roster from your website.   But Dave, it does not seem to me that Piedmont added any new players (though I could stand to be corrected) to help the returning players from last year's team. So one can expect the same type of record for this season that Piedmont had for last season...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 19, 2005, 07:41:33 PM
Re Piedmont ... "So one can expect the same type of record..."

Well Wilburt, I guess that would depend on whom "the one" is ...

I, for one, expect some improvement based on the guys being a year older, stronger, more experienced and perhaps most importantly ... they have now had a full year to improve their feel for playing together.

Last year, the vast majority of these guys were either freshman or first year transfers ... that is no longer the case.

No, we didn't add that "skilled big man" that everyone in D3 is looking for. But, you heard it here first ... we did add a D3 version of Manu Ginobili.

We have our core coming back, plus "Manu", plus ... in my opinion, there are about 3 guys returning that for a variety of reasons, weren't nearly as effective as they could have been last year. I'm expecting that to change.

Oh yeah, its early, we are still undefeated, and hope springs eternal...

How bout them Lions!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 19, 2005, 07:53:10 PM
Hey Pat, what's the deal re "karma" ... and why don't I have any?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 22, 2005, 09:39:46 AM
Today is homecoming at LaGrange which means alumni game where I get to play like I'm still 22 and feel like I am 52.  We also have a red/white intersquad game to give everyone their first peek at the 05-06 Panthers and decide how far we really have to go in order to be any good. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 22, 2005, 02:17:02 PM
Intrasquad basketball game?  Right Coach Haynes?

Was it last season that your guys played touch football (or something like that) and someone got injured?

William Burton aka wilburt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 24, 2005, 08:15:50 AM
Cut me some slack William.  I am just a dumb jock coach not a distinguished Fisk Alumni.  Last season we mud wrestled and someone broke a nail.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 24, 2005, 09:41:15 AM
Now you are playing your psychological games with me Coach Haynes :D...

Was the mud wrestling between the men's and women's basketball teams?  [If so, you could have invited me]. The reason why I ask, is that I know one of your guys would not be concerned if they broke their nail! 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 24, 2005, 10:26:05 AM
You don't know my guys very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 24, 2005, 10:53:18 AM
That's funny...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 25, 2005, 12:58:01 PM
good job Fisk
I look forward to Dec. 10th, when you go the Street&Smith #2 ranked Mississippi Choctaws Golden Dome
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 26, 2005, 07:59:45 AM
Grubb I hope we can get the GSAC some more national/regional respect with Fisk's away games against Mississippi College and Randolph-Macon.  I'm tired of the GSAC being referred to as "that 5 team conference".

Also, I'm starting to get tired of no one outside of the GSAC and Rust College really wanting to play us at home in Nashville. I see what Maryville had to go through (somewhat) before the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 26, 2005, 10:40:03 AM
William:  Nobody who wants a win wants to play you in Nashville, so everybody who wants to pad their record to get into the NCAA tournament stays away.   The whole scheme favors teams like CNU, which has 17 home games this year.  Racism probably has a role, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 26, 2005, 11:35:16 AM
Doug I'd like to think that it has less to do with racism and more just trying to pad their wins like you said.   

Question, for those in Murvul.  Who will likely be your starting PG this season?   Scippio or Mason?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 26, 2005, 03:25:19 PM
Wilburt,
you have got to fix your gym, lights, floor, bleachers, locker rooms, etc  Teams like going places with nice gyms, not that maryville has a great one, but there is nothing wrong with it and oh yeah, they do have all those banners hanging from the rafters that make it look very intimidating
The bulldogs will like playing in the golden dome, it is an arena like setting that i am sure will bring out the best in the bulldogs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 27, 2005, 08:34:01 AM
Matt you are correct about Fisk's gym and there has been talk in recent years of a new $8 million facilty.  But until that happens, I will continue to view the Fisk gym like the old Boston Garden with its "mystique".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 27, 2005, 12:51:05 PM
"mystique"?

Nice attempt at "spin", William. Trying to tell us that place has mystique is just putting lipstick on a pig.

Fisk has a fine team, with 3 solid seniors returning, they s/b the best in the GSAC this year. By all accounts, Fisk is a proud institution with a solid reputation. 

BUT ... don't try to tell us that dump of a gym has mystique. Forget the $8 million for now ... buying a case of industrial strength Frebreze would be a nice start.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 27, 2005, 04:55:29 PM
You caught me Old Lion...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 31, 2005, 08:33:08 AM
Happy Halloween
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 08, 2005, 07:29:59 AM
LaGrange just got a new logo and changed around our website a little as well.  Go check it out and let me know what you think. 

It is getting to be scrimmage time and I can't wait to hear how everyone is doing.  We have had one and got one tomorrow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on November 09, 2005, 06:48:04 PM
Maryville has taken an early and dominating lead in the President's Cup competition with championships in men's soccer, women's soccer, volleyball, and men's cross-country.  The women's cross-country team spoiled a perfect fall by finishing second.  Both soccer teams earned bids to the NCAA tournament.  The rest of the GSAC better pick it up or this thing will be over soon.  As usual, scotswin...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 10, 2005, 06:59:47 AM
Scotswin, doesn't Maryville play Huntingdon for the "mythical GSAC football championship" this weekend?  Shouldn't that count towards the President's Cup totals as well?

No news from Nashville to report on...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 10, 2005, 11:14:17 AM
Ok, Coach Haynes ... your secret is out.

I saw you play North Ga last night and your guys looked very good!

A quickie report for the rest of you GSAC fans ...

North Ga is a new DII team (they won 20+ games last year as an NAIA team) that is very explosive. On paper, they s/h handled LaGrange easily. I've always said that LaGrange plays as hard as anyone. Last night was no exception. Their 3s were falling and they were even scoring inside against a much bigger North Ga team.

Even though NGA eventually pulled away and won by about 20, LaGrange gave them all they wanted. The game was tied almost mid-way through the 2nd half.

If LaGrange can consistantly play like they did for the first 30 minutes last night, they will be a handful for anyone in the GSAC this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on November 10, 2005, 09:34:11 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 10, 2005, 06:59:47 AM
Scotswin, doesn't Maryville play Huntingdon for the "mythical GSAC football championship" this weekend?  Shouldn't that count towards the President's Cup totals as well?

No news from Nashville to report on...

I hear that good things are going on with the football program, but results are few and far between.  Currently, the football team remains the exception to the rule at Maryville.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 11, 2005, 07:29:42 AM
Old Lion, I believe you give us too much credit.  On the threes that were falling, once again we shot too many in the first half but were a quality 4 for 8 in the second.  The problem in the second was missed post shots and let downs in transition D.  We will always compete, but sometimes it just takes more than that and we have to figure that out before 11/18 @ 7:00pm. 

I will say this about North Georgia.  Their starting PG, 2G and 3Man are the best scoring backcourt I have seen assembled in a long time. 

I haven't seen your report on any Piedmont scrimmages yet.  Are they hidden in seclusion until the 18th where they unleash their Super Sophomores(plus a couple other folks) on the world.  You have a fun team to cheer for up there Old Lion. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 11, 2005, 07:41:25 AM
My 2005-06 GSAC regular season predictions


                     CONF    OVERALL
FISK                (7-1)    (19-6)
Maryville         (6-2)    (17-8)
Huntingdon    (4-4)    (17-8)
LaGrange       (3-5)    (13-12)
Piedmont        (0-8)    (9-16)

William Burton, the prognosticator
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 11, 2005, 01:48:48 PM
Damn, William ...

Looks like you took my comments about your run-down gym personally. I tried to offset them with nice comments about your team and school ... (smile)

I don't see how you can predict that we'll be less successful than last year, with all of our key young guys back? But OK ... hopefully, everyone in the GSAC feels like you do ... maybe we'll be able to sneak up on some people.

Personally, I'd be afraid to predict any records at this point. I feel like we are going to have more parity in the GSAC this year. I'm expecting a lot of close games that could go either way. We'll see...

Coach Haynes,

Thanks for the kind words. I agree that we do have a fun team to watch. They are great guys. For the most part, they seemed to have been committed to working hard and getting better in the off season. But we still don't have that dominant inside presence. A big focus has been improving our defensive intensity and rebounding. In our controlled scrimmage with Emory, I saw definite progress.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 11, 2005, 03:13:11 PM
Old Lion

It was nothing personal, but with all due respect to the Lions from Piedmont, I don't see them as having improved all that much from last season.  To me it looks pretty much like the same roster as last season.   Remaining stagnant in a conference where everyone else has improved (at least on paper), doesn't bode well for Piedmont in my book.

BTW, for what it is worth I make these predictions each year and for the most part I have been wrong.   The guys from East Tennessee got very mad at me last season when I predicted their first regular season conference loss (I was one overtime period away from being correct), and that they would win less than 20 games during the regular season (which I believe Murvul did, I could stand corrected though on that point)       

For the record Old Lion, I agree that FISK's gym does need major improvment!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 14, 2005, 10:52:14 AM
Lions give DI Troy University a scare!

We are making progress. Last year, we lost to Troy by 47.

In an exhibition this past Saturday, Troy eeked out a 34 point win ... 117 - 83. Had they not been so much quicker, taller, stronger, and not had two 6'8 guys who were money from about 10 feet outside the arc ... they could have been in serious trouble. (smile)

Seriously, we did feel very good about the effort. We are optimistic about playing a couple of DIII teams this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 15, 2005, 01:36:10 PM
The Scots look average ???
They have nice practice uniforms and Nike shoes
Guys with long hair and guys with short hair
One really fat guy and one midget
Pretty Much a typical D3 team
Who knows how they will do, this season, but this could be the year for a gsac team to beat them in the regular season
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots06 on November 15, 2005, 02:37:29 PM
Well I think the Scots of 2005-2006 are as unpredictable as the weather in East Tennessee.. Who knows who will show up.. Lack of leadership might hurt them on the road and the kac of depth at the point guard position.. Bo Mason gets hurt, say good night to the season..
No question the Scots will lose their first regular season conference game this season.. I say possible losses at Fisk, at Huntingdon, and at Lagrange...
Mason,Calloway,and Golden must carry the load all season long... Do they have what it takes, will soon find out..

Predictions: Fisk Conference Champs.....Allen White Player of the Year....
1st Team All Conference... Chris Adams..Courtney Ellis..Allen White...Bobby Golden... Monte Calloway..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 16, 2005, 09:56:21 AM
wow, Scots06 i can't get that harsh
i don't think the season rests on a sophomore PG
CPY-definitely Monte or Bobby
I think lack of leadership is going to be there soft spot for sure and that is a reflection on Monte and Bobby
I think those 2 have the potential to step up and lead if they choose to, but remember that stuff starts with yourself
I know i read somewhere, i think it was Bo Ryan that said, it is a scary thing when your best player is your hardest worker and i can't say that for the scots this year, like a sydney ellis or Josh Tummel
The scots still have lambert and Beaty on the sidelines and that has to count for something, at least 5 points a game for great style
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 16, 2005, 03:53:23 PM
I think I may have overrated Maryville and underrated Huntingdon in my predictions ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 16, 2005, 05:10:42 PM
Maryville is not overrated, this team has the potential to dominate the gsac like every other MC team has done in the history of the conference.  There problem is not talent.  They have depth and a ton (or tons when referring to Bobby Golden) of talent.  We all know about their studs Monte and Bobby, but what about their depth at the 4, or the handful of perimeter players that you guys don't mention like Andy "Cash Money" Chaney.  JJ is back and so is Quinn.  With Holiday and Blair inside.  They have 8 really solid players, I think their talent will suprise some people and so will their depth.  It is their focus and leadership that are the question.  So it will make tough road games the big question mark, but these kids could have grown up since last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 17, 2005, 07:39:27 AM
Great points Mr. Grubb!  Even with Ellis and Placeres, Murvul struggled a bit at the beginning of the season last year and at the end of the season last year, in part due to injuries.   

Now that those two leaders are gone, and it is unsure who will or can step up for the Scots, this may be be a struggling .500 season for those of you in East Tennessee based on what I keep hearing.

I must also congratulate Maryville on its 2005 GSAC mythical football championship with its victory over Huntingdon last weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots06 on November 17, 2005, 01:23:19 PM
In losing Placeres and Ellis you lost an All American, Two 1st Team All Conference players, leadership and most of all "Big Play" guys.. I dont know Maryville has a player when the game is on the line you would want the ball in their hands.. Mason although a great shooter has not been "battled tested"
Its easier to be someones replacement then being the main guy. I believe Mason has the ability to do so, I just don't think he is a leader.
  The big thing like all Randy Lambert's team can this team play defense??
I think the Scots split this weekend at LaGrange...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 17, 2005, 03:25:37 PM
IMHO, if there is still a question as whether or not Maryville can play defense with the season just days away, then it does look like a .500 season or so for the Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 17, 2005, 04:23:54 PM
Here is the link to the Murvul Daily Times' article today:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/223035

Johnson starting at wing is interesting...he did not play any or much last year (injury).   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 18, 2005, 03:57:50 PM
Burton
I'll be honest, a .500 record out of the scots is a ridiculous statement.
The worst record lambert has had in 10 years is 16-9 and that is no where near .500
No you could end up being the smartest person on this board ever if your guess is correct, but if past performance is indicative of future results, which it can be in bball, then there is not much chance of the scots going .500 considering they have won 40 consecutive GSAC regular season games and guess what the season tips off in 1 hour...yesssssssssss
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2005, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 11, 2005, 03:13:11 PMIt was nothing personal, but with all due respect to the Lions from Piedmont, I don't see them as having improved all that much from last season.  To me it looks pretty much like the same roster as last season.   Remaining stagnant in a conference where everyone else has improved (at least on paper), doesn't bode well for Piedmont in my book.
do you need NEW PLAYERS to improve as a team?  what if a young team matures and develops and those same guys who were on the roster the previous year are better...can you be improved then? give me a team that returns almost all of it's nucleus vs. a team that has to replace 2 or 3 parts 8 days a week...returning players don't have to learn the system or the players or the coaches or how to juggle school and college athletics or lots of other things

they may not be much better than your assesment, wilburt, but your reasoning isn't sound, in my opinion

for what it's worth, i think pc will win 14-16 games and be very competetive in the gsac...but what do i know?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 19, 2005, 08:46:22 PM
Narch apparently you did not appreciate my full quote. I am assuming that not only Piedmont, but everyone else in the GSAC has returning players that improved to some degree, if not more than Piedmont's players.  So IMHO that leaves Piedmont as having not drastically improved from last season unless some new key players (that I'm not aware of) arrived on the seen to contribute immediately and significantly.

Again with due respect to Piedmont, having the nucleus from a 9-17 team versus the nucleus of a 17-10 team like Huntingdon has returning is a major difference in a starting point in my book!

Grubb we will see about Maryville soon enough, .500 may well be an exaggeration on my part.  I just got through watching FISK play Knoxville this evening (winning 92-78), and they looked fairly impressive.  FISK has one of the quickest backcourts I've seen in a long while, and has better depth than last year. 

Tennessee State Monday night...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on November 19, 2005, 11:05:38 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 19, 2005, 08:46:22 PM
Narch apparently you did not appreciate my full quote. I am assuming that not only Piedmont, but everyone else in the GSAC has returning players that improved to some degree, if not more than Piedmont's players.  So IMHO that leaves Piedmont as having not drastically improved from last season unless some new key players (that I'm not aware of) arrived on the seen to contribute immediately and significantly.
apparently i didn't appreciate the subtle nuance and things that weren't written, but implied, in your post...i've read and re-read it and still can't find it - i don't know nearly as much about the gsac as you, but i was under the impression that pc was returning MORE of their key players from last season than teams like hc and lc - it's interesting to conjecture that some teams may improve more than others, as well - certainly can be true, but not sure what would lead you to believe that prior to the season - we'll know if you're correct soon enough

both pc and huntingdon lost to g'boro and beat ferrum in the gsac/usasac challenge

m'ville doesn't seem to have lost much with 2 nice regional wins this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 20, 2005, 12:05:51 PM
Narch said:

"but i was under the impression that pc was returning MORE of their key players from last season than teams like hc and lc"

Incorrect Narch. Piedmont returned arguably just as many "key players" as Huntingdon, Maryville and FISK did this season.  I guess that was the nuanced implication that you did not get in my earlier comment. :o

So I say again Narch, returning key players from an 11 win team doesn't mean much to me if 3 of your 4 main GSAC competitors are also returning "key players" or "nucleus" from last season as well.  Particularly since those 3 other teams each won 16 or more games last season, unlike PC!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots06 on November 20, 2005, 06:33:51 PM
The Scots prove a lot of us wrong. With two convincing wins they are back on the map.. I dont know that they were off but myself and some on this message board doubted their road success..
Big weekend from their New Big Three.. Last year it was Ellis,Placeres, and Golden.. Subsitute Mason and Calloway along with Golden.
Good start for the Scots 2-0.
   Lets hope they continue this success it can be a big year if they continue how they played Friday and Saturday..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 21, 2005, 11:17:11 AM
The scots did have a great weekend, but let's let them get to about 10-0 before we start pronouncing they have proven something or calling them a big three, remember Sid was a 2 time all american and placeres was greased lightning, Bo is a different kind of point guard, but he obviously had an exceptional weekend, I think Monte has been a solid guard all along and now he is just getting his chance to shine, which he deserves, Bobby is a story unto himself which i will address later on in numerous posts.  Anytime the Scots go down to Georgia and beat Coach Zuver and his team it is a good weekend, b/c they are tough to start the season with, good wins Randy, Beaty keep things together
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots06 on November 21, 2005, 01:05:12 PM
I disagree with you MGrubb.. Yes Ellis was a two time All American, and Placeres was by far more of a true point guard by definitio then Bo Mason, but if those three which I named as the Big Three continue with these numbers they wont be 10-0 they will be undefeated...
Only concern for me is DEFENSE.. EMory and Ogelthorpe scored almost 80 points...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 21, 2005, 02:18:04 PM
Scots06
I am not saying they are not the big three, i am saying let's not call them the big 3 YET, there is a ton of potential out of those 3, and they have not accomplished all the things that Ellis and Placeres did, so give them a little time, remember Mason is just a sophomore and Monte has proven he can play, but there will be many nights when he has to carry the team.
big question how did Holiday and JJ play, was anyone at the games, i should be there this weekend to see the home opener
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 21, 2005, 03:02:04 PM
I miss the brash cockiness of Breakout and Brett about Maryville basketball!  You cautiously optimistic guys from East Tennessee are no fun to banter with this year...

I change my predictions.  I think Maryville will go (25-0) during the regular season but lose to Huntingdon in the GSAC tourney on a last second shot by Allen White!


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 21, 2005, 03:17:21 PM
Two big wins for the Scots! I don't think either Emory or Oglethorpe are great teams, but they both pretty good.

It's no small task to replace two guys of Ellis' and Placeres' caliber ... but it looks as if Murval is off to a good start in doing it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 22, 2005, 07:10:17 AM
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051122/SPORTS0604/511220356/1038

Above is the link to the article on last night's game with Tennessee State.  Unfortunately TSU beat FISK 72-63.  Great rivalry game for both schools since many of the players on both teams were either high school teammates from Memphis or played against each other in the Memphis High School league.  Over 7,500 people filled the stands for the game at TSU's Gentry Center!  Not a bad effort against a TSU team expected to finish in the middle of  the OVC this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 11:19:34 AM
wilburt -

You are right about the differences in team nuculei, but chemistry is sometimes more important that biology if you know what I mean.  Sometimes what that 9-7 team went though makes that that much better the next year.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2005, 11:33:15 AM
Coach C, I agree with you
I think that is a point I was trying to make and it will take more than a big 3 to get Lambert back to the sweet 16 and even beyond, b/c that is their goal
Wilburt,
I bet that game was sick and the atmosphere was crazy,
also to answer your request, I bet Bobby Golden could body slam anyone in the gsac except coach Beaty
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 22, 2005, 11:56:58 AM
Coach C I agree with you on team chemistry, but my point was more towards the "biology" aspect of returning players.

Grubb I am sure the atmosphere was crazy last night at TSU.  All the better preparation for the crowd at Maryville in a few weeks.  I hope this year's FISK team is unlike the team a couple of years ago that could get up to play the D1, D2 schools and Maryville, but had a hard time getting motivated and focused to play their regular season D3 schedule.

Finally, Grubb are you suggesting that Coach Beaty needs to be body slammed, but nobody in the GSAC could do it ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2005, 03:49:36 PM
No i am suggesting that Bobby Golden is the baddest man in the GSAC and the only man that can contain him is Coach Beaty.  That is my best trash talking to this point
Also, I am upset that i missed the Fisk v Knoxville College game, I would have liked to have seen that, do you know the outcome?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 23, 2005, 07:35:44 AM
McGrubb:

Fisk handlily beat Knoxville last Saturday 92-78.  I was at the game in Nashville.  Fisk is (1-1) and next play Millsaps this weekend for our 1st South Region game.

I see that Murvul is now (3-0) with a victory at Centre which is tough to do.  The Scots always reload and appear not to have missed a step this season, despite some naysayers from East Tennessee. 

I hope the Bulldogs are up for the challenge Maryville poses when the GSAC season starts in the first week in January?.  I have been pleased with what I've seen from the Bulldogs so far, although a lot of work still needs to be done.  We have a very quick backcourt and apparently have some new found depth in the frontcourt.  I was surprised to learn that even though we lost to TSU, we outrebounded a much larger TSU team by 5 rebounds. ;)

William
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 23, 2005, 03:56:30 PM
Centre is a great place to grab a W.  it is always nice to beat a SCAC school, that sissy conference.  I would like to see all those SCAC schools come down and grab W's in Maryville and Nashville, granted it is not like playing in front of 6,000 screaming Calvin Knights, but it sure is a tough place to play, both places, I also noticed that Fisk played TSU much closer than D2 Carson Newman did in an exhibition.  good job wilburt you are leading your team in the right direction, oh and by the way you don't happen to know Tony Jones the new assistant at the univeristy of Tennessee do you?  He went to Fisk and played bball there in I believe the early to mid '80s
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on November 23, 2005, 05:49:11 PM
does anyone know if lagrange will be doing an internet broadcast or live stats for any of the games in the tournament they are hosting coming up this friday and saturday?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 23, 2005, 08:15:58 PM
So LaGrange beats Sewanee by a lot and Sewanee beat Methodist, which is picked as the cream of the USA SOUTH.  Maybe there are several GSAC teams that are seriously competitive this year, despite Coach Haynes' poormouthing.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 24, 2005, 07:53:31 AM
LaGrange will not have any live broadcasting or updates of our tournament this weekend but we have a great place to visit. 

I wish the A beats B, B beats C, so A beats C would work in college basketball but it is just way to unpredictable, much like my team.  We played well defensively in all three games so far, but Tuesday was our offensive explosion. 

Happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 25, 2005, 07:34:37 AM
Mr. Grubb

FYI, UT Asst. Coach Tony Jones and FISK Head Coach Coach Larry Glover were teammates at FISK in the late 1970s.

I have to take issue with you on characterizing the SCAC as a sissy conference.  It is a fine conference with very high academic standards. As I have noted in previous posts, FISK used to be a member of the SCAC during the 1980s and early 1990s.  We regularly finished in the bottom half of the conference standings during that time, except for one year we lost to Centre at home in the last regular season game (no conference tourney during that time) that cost the Bulldogs the SCAC championship and the NCAA automatic tourney bid.   

Finally, I would not read too much into FISK playing TSU better than D2 Carson-Newman.  Although this may be Coach Glover's most talented team since he has been Head Coach, but the Bulldogs still have a LOT of work to do, if they want to win the GSAC (ie: beat Maryville and Huntingdon) and possibly compete for a NCAA tourney bid.
 
IMHO, the games against ranked Mississippi College and ranked Randolph-Macon and tonight's game against (3-0) Millsaps will really tell me where the Bulldogs stack up, rather than the TSU Game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2005, 09:00:36 AM
Wilburt, Fisk's game against Wesley MS may give us a comparator for Mississippi College, unless Wesley is too weak to use.

Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2005, 11:44:40 AM
William
Could we see a Fisk UT preseason match up????
When was the last time a SCAC team competed with maryville late in the year(centre is always tough early at centre)
And here is your trash for the day, Randy lambert would dominate a 1on1 tournament of GSAC coaches!  who is your money on
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 25, 2005, 12:32:23 PM
Mr. Grubb

I don't think FISK can compete with a SEC team like UT. So don't expect that matchup anytime soon.  How about Maryville versus Tenn. Tech? That's a regional matchup that could appeal to some East Tennessee people.

1 on 1 tourney with GSAC coaches, I'd have to go with Coach Haynes on that one, or maybe Coach Duckworth. I think Coach Haynes is the youngest of all the GSAC Head Coaches.  I have to go with youth and vigor on that 1 on 1 tourney.  I think Coach Haynes could run circles around Coach Lambert in a 1 on 1 game  :D
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2005, 01:45:54 PM
William
I agree, Lambert is aging
Look at Hope's new arena, i think Fisk should build something very similar and then they could get some good D3 teams to come to Nashville.  WOW
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2005, 03:41:42 PM
i just got done looking at LC's schedule and it is sick, that is what Lambert needs, they have ODAC, ASC, HCAC, SCAC, all kinds of games, good for you panthers, you won't win a lot of them but the experience will certainly help build your program it will pay off and allow your underclassmen to learn how to compete in D3 and make the conference better
Fisk has also done an excellent job scheduling, the rest of the conference is getting to see the D3 teams that Maryville has been seeing for years in the national tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on November 25, 2005, 08:14:52 PM
anyone know who won the Lynchburg vs. Huntingdon game???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2005, 08:22:32 PM
Matt, I reviewed the Maryville schedule, Coach Lambert has assembled a very good South Region Schedule.  It will be reasonably challenging.

Comparing it to LaGrange, and I agree with your assessment that Coach Haynes has a good schedule as well, Maryville has the same opponents, Oglethorpe, Emory, Sewanee, Centre and Rust.

LaGrange has ODAC's Lynchburg, SCAC's Hendrix and Millsaps and South Region independent, UDallas.  There are no ASC opponents.

Maryville picks up USASAC's at Averett and Methodist home and away, a very good Transylvania (2).  No ASC teams either.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 26, 2005, 08:00:19 AM
Can't wait for the GSAC regular season to start!   

Grubb I think we can get some teams to come to Nashville to play if we do a double header with Tennessee State.  For example, FISK would play Mississippi College in the first game of a double header at the Gentry Center followed by  a TSU game with and OVC opponent.

I think that would work, until the new gym is built.

Ralph Turner, FISK's game with Wesley is not a good barometer of anything...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 27, 2005, 12:13:34 PM
Fisk 70, Millsaps 68

Courtney Ellis scored 21 points to lead visiting Fisk (3-1), which shot 50.9 percent in the Cabot Lodge Turkey Shootout game. Rodney Rogan topped the Majors (3-1) with 15 points.

Looks like a tough road game for Fisk, but a great win. ;D  It was the Bulldogs 2nd game in less than 24 hours.  (1-0) in the South Region with upcoming South Region games on the road against Mississippi College and Randolph-Macon.  If Fisk can get to (3-0) in the South Region then we can legitimately stake our claim as a Top 25 team, but that is a BIGGGGG IFFFFFFFF.... 

With wins against Sewanee, Centre, Millsaps and Oglethorpe I think the GSAC should have about a .500 record against the SCAC teams :P
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 28, 2005, 09:58:07 AM
William
I think that is a great idea of playing a doubleheader with TSU.  Also, good job on beating Millsaps.  The scots pounded Rust this weekend, I guess the standout performance was from Blair off of the bench, but an all around good performance by the whole team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 29, 2005, 07:14:30 AM
Trevecca 86 FISK 80

The Bulldogs (3-2) lost a heart breaker last night in the last few seconds against a (6-0) NAIA DI Trevecca Nazarene team that returns 6 players from a (25-8) team that went to the NAIA Sweet 16 last season.

I hope these games (TSU, Trevecca et al.) help the Bulldogs later in the season because these "scholarship teams" do things faster, quicker, and stronger than a lot of D3 teams the Bulldogs will play this season...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 29, 2005, 11:16:37 AM
Wilburt:

I know all about the heartbreaking losses.  Lincoln lost by 1 at Albright on a last second shot, to give us our first loss.  On the bright side, we've beaten two DII teams (Salem International and Cheyney), and last night beat Randolph Macon at home by 23 pts  :) .  We have to back to R-MC on 12/18/05 for a tourney, and if we meet the Yello Jackets again, I sure they will be thinking about "payback".

Go luck to the Bulldogs for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 29, 2005, 11:17:21 AM
Wilburt:

I know all about the heartbreaking losses.  Lincoln lost by 1 at Albright on a last second shot, to give us our first loss.  On the bright side, we've beaten two DII teams (Salem International and Cheyney), and last night beat Randolph Macon at home by 23 pts  :) .  We have to back to R-MC on 12/18/05 for a tourney, and if we meet the Yellow Jackets again, I sure they will be thinking about "payback".

Go luck to the Bulldogs for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 29, 2005, 01:27:27 PM
njlincolnlion:

FISK plays Randolph-Macon in a few weeks in Richmond.
Can you give us a scouting report on them?  I thought they would be tough this season with that All-American Wansley (is that his name) coming back, but with Lincoln beating them beating them by 23 at home. My goodness, that doesn't speak well for the ODAC. 

My prediction: Lincoln will be ranked (or IMHO should be) in the Top 25 around the beginning of the year, and Maryville will be undefeated through the Xmas Holidays!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 29, 2005, 03:57:27 PM
Wilburt
stop trying to give the scots bad vibes with your predictions, say things like they have a good chance at being undefeated through xmas, they still have to win all their games. 
The game against Trevecca must have been a good one and it is good experience for the bulldogs.
Wansley is a stud, no question about it, it is hard to believe that RMC lost by that many
Go Scots!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 29, 2005, 04:08:18 PM
Wilburt:

Lincoln's All American Kyle Myrick had 33 pts., and the Lions defense held Wansley to 9 pts. and 10 rebs.  Like I said before, R-MC will have a second chance at Lincoln when the Lions travel to Ashland VA for a tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2005, 09:46:05 AM
Oglethorpe is no slouch. Earlier in the year, they beat LaGrange and Emory, lost to Averett by 3 and to Maryville by 8.

Last night, we beat them 100 to 80. We were up by 25 when Coach Glenn cleared his bench.

Eventhough, as Wilburt pointed out, we didn't add a lot of new players, the ones we have seem to be jelling nicely and stepping it up a notch. Also, Tyler Whitlock is quite an addition. IMHO, he appears to be one of those "synergy guys" ... plenty good in his own right, but more importantly, he is a positive addition, chemistry-wise.

I'm looking forward to our trip to Jackson, MS this weekend ... to see if we can keep it going.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2005, 12:50:51 PM
I always like to see good wins for the gsac and the lions victory over OU is a good one.  I think returning all of your players is a much better thing than getting new ones.  D3 requires so much chemistry b/c it is truly a team game, if someone is that much better they are probably playing D1 or D2.  Good luck in Jackson.
Think about this next year MC returns Holiday, Golden, and Blair on the inside, as well as their new guy Orr.
Wilburt would you rather have those 4 coming back or 4 new guys, just look at the numbers so far
The Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 30, 2005, 12:59:52 PM
Grubb, if those 4 weren't coming back you would need 4 new guys :D.

FISK is going to need 4-5 new guys next season, but I'm sure Dr. Glover is working on that! 

I just noticed that 2 GSAC players were in the Top 10 for NCAA D3 stats last season.

Piedmont's Jake Green was one of the nation's top assist leaders.

Huntingdon's Allen White was one of the nation's top steals leader.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2005, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 30, 2005, 12:50:51 PM
  I think returning all of your players is a much better thing than getting new ones.  D3 requires so much chemistry b/c it is truly a team game...
The Grubby One

Well said, Grubby One.

Returning a lot of people is a good thing, assuming that they are good guys that you want back ... and ours are.

Thanks for the "Good luck in Jackson." We are going to need it along with a lot more of the great effort we saw last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2005, 05:01:09 PM
remember I am always cheering for the GSAC unless you are playing Maryville, so i hope you all win all of your games except against maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on November 30, 2005, 05:03:25 PM
looking at stats, pc's players seem to be playing better defense and rebounding much better - we'll see if this trend continues, but i'm happy to see coach glenn and the team having the early season success that they are (at least until they play the monarchs...then i'd like them to return to the form they displayed in the riddle center last year :))
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 01, 2005, 07:36:18 AM
Fisk 90, Crichton 85 at Memphis's Mid-South Coliseum last night: Brian Gibbs had 21 points to lead NAIA D1 Crichton (4-3). Chris Adams who had 17 points led Fisk.  The Bulldogs improved to (4-2). Great win because 2 of Crichton's starters were transfers from NCAA D1 schools!

Narch, I have to agree, PC does appear to be playing better than this time last season, but so is Maryville and FISK!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 02:05:44 PM
Quote from: wilburt on December 01, 2005, 07:36:18 AM
Narch, I have to agree, PC does appear to be playing better than this time last season, but so is Maryville and FISK!
are you still holding to the winless gsac prediction for pc?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 01, 2005, 02:54:54 PM
Narch,
Let PC show me some more, and maybe I'll change that winless GSAC prediction by Xmas ;) from 0 games to 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:31:54 PM
wilburt - care to make a friendly wager? 

i'm going to say 4 gsac wins for the lions and 14 wins overall - you're already on record for 0 gsac wins and 9 overall...closest prediction wins - if i lose, i'll add something like "wilburt is THE MAN, and FISK is the greatest" (or a suitable saying of your choice) to my signature for one month - if i win, you add a pc hoops image to your signature for one month...deal?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 02, 2005, 07:26:14 AM
I don't wager on anything Narch.  If you are correct, you will just get bragging rights and the privilege of telling me "I told you so!"

FISK has a big game next Saturday at that other MC in Mississippi.  This is where I hope those games against TSU, Trevecca and Crichton in recent days pay off in a road win! I know Coach Glover will have the   Bulldogs well-prepared for that road game.

McGrubb Murvul is (5-0) and counting til Xmas...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 09:24:04 AM
Wilburt, the Mississippi College Golden Dome is a very tough place to play.  MC probably has the best home record in the ASC over the last decade.  I shall be following FISK against the Chocs with great anticipation.

(Did I spell FISK correctly?   ;D)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 02, 2005, 09:47:28 AM
Wilburt:

Mark Simon wrote an excellent article on Lincoln in the "Around The Nation" column, that you should check out.  I emailed Mark to advise him that Lincoln is not the sole DIII HBCU program, and that FISK is the other DIII HBCU.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 02, 2005, 09:51:47 AM
njlincolnlion:

There are in fact 3 HBCUs in D3.  Lincoln, FISK and Rust College in Mississippi. 

I started to skim the article this morning, but I'll get to it later when I have more time to digest it.  Thanks.

Dr. Turner, you did spell FISK correctly.  Can you spell MURVUL? FISK  lost to Mississippi College at the Golden Dome two seasons ago by 12, so they should be familiar with the Dome.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 02, 2005, 09:57:54 AM
Wilburt:

I forgot about Rust College   :-[ .  Thanks for the clarification.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 10:03:24 AM
Wilburt, let me try...

murvul   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2005, 04:24:44 PM
spelling maryville and pronouncing murvul are 2 totally different things
The scots were obviously impressive down low last night.
they are 5-0 and hopefully headed in the right direction but they have some tough games coming up
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 06:23:20 PM
Matt, Murvul fans are so much fun! ;)

Some year, I wish we could get a GSAC/ASC early-season tourney with Murvul, FISK, McMurry and Mississippi College.  Host it in Clinton! :)

We could get Mark Simon down here for that one!  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 03, 2005, 11:11:21 AM
OK Wilburt, I have been unable to figure this out myself, having only a Murvul education, so I guess I have to ask you. When did Fisk become FISK? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 03, 2005, 11:26:52 AM
William,
LaGrange @ Emory today @ 3.  That is right in your backyard.  I don't know how you could miss it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:35:34 PM
scottie, it is actually FISK!

Man, give William a new set of colors and he goes wild! :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 03, 2005, 11:04:53 PM
Ralph:  Says who?  I do not remember our friend William spelling Fisk FISK last year, but maybe it's the colors that caught my eye.   

So if I, or the President of Maryville, decided it was MARYVILLE, is that all it takes?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 11:13:05 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D

Isn't it "Maryville" that is in Missouri and MURVUL the one in Tennessee?

MURVUL is the team that wins post-season games.  The SLAIC still hasn't won one! ;)

We had better hope that Wilburt doesn't figure out how to use the variable fonts. ::)

FISK

Oh scottie, Mississippi College lost on the road at UMHB!  There is a chance you might move up some, maybe into the Top 25! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 04, 2005, 01:14:34 PM
Fisk became FISK with the new d3hoops format change and when I figured out how to use the dog gone color thing. I was not a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of FISK so it took me a little longer to figure it out than most of you guys!

Coach Haynes, unfortunately I don't live in the Atlanta area, although I have a number of good friends that live there that I visit a lot from time to time.  I do live in an undisclosed location in the Eastern time zone though.  Although, I can't make it to any of the FISK-MURVUL games (work stuff), I am planning on going to the GSAC tourney games in Montgomery in February (provided Coach Duckworth can give me good directions to Huntingdon's gym)!     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: andrey on December 04, 2005, 08:09:00 PM
South Region Standings
Region Overall School W L Pct W L Pct
Maryville (Tenn.) (GSAC) 6 0 1.000  6 0 1.000     :o
Randolph-Macon (ODAC) 4 0 1.000  5 1 .857 
Trinity (Texas) (SCAC) 4 0 1.000  5 1 .833 
Hardin-Simmons (ASC-W) 4 0 1.000  4 2 .667 
Hampden-Sydney (ODAC) 3 0 1.000  5 0 1.000 
McMurry (ASC-W) 3 0 1.000  5 1 .833 
Guilford (ODAC) 3 0 1.000  4 1 .800 
Hendrix (SCAC) 2 0 1.000  5 1 .857 
Fisk (GSAC) 1 0 1.000  5 2 .714    ;) ;)
Millsaps (SCAC) 4 1 .800  5 1 .833 
Mississippi College (ASC-E) 3 1 .750  5 1 .833 
Shenandoah (USAC) 3 1 .750  4 2 .667 
Mary Hardin-Baylor (ASC-W) 3 1 .750  3 2 .600 
Averett (USAC) 2 1 .667  4 2 .667 
Bridgewater (Va.) (ODAC) 2 1 .667  3 3 .500 
Virginia Wesleyan (ODAC) 4 3 .625  4 3 .625 
Sewanee (SCAC) 3 2 .600  4 2 .667 
DePauw (SCAC) 2 2 .600  3 4 .500 
Oglethorpe (SCAC) 3 3 .571  3 3 .571 
Roanoke (ODAC) 3 2 .500  6 2 .667 
Emory (UAA) 3 3 .500  3 3 .500 
Centre (SCAC) 2 2 .500  4 2 .667 
Howard Payne (ASC-W) 2 2 .500  3 2 .600 
LeTourneau (ASC-E) 2 2 .500  3 2 .600 
Piedmont (GSAC) 2 2 .500  3 2 .600    ;D ;D
Southwestern (SCAC) 2 2 .500  4 4 .500 
Greensboro (USAC) 2 2 .500  3 3 .500 
University of the Ozarks (ASC-E) 2 2 .500  2 2 .500 
East Texas Baptist (ASC-E) 2 2 .500  2 4 .333 
Rhodes (SCAC) 2 2 .400  6 2 .667 
Rust (IND) 2 3 .400  3 4 .429 
LaGrange (GSAC) 2 3 .400  2 4 .333 
Huntingdon (GSAC) 2 3 .333  4 3 .500 
  ;D ;D
Eastern Mennonite (ODAC) 1 2 .333  4 2 .667 
Texas Lutheran (ASC-W) 1 2 .333  2 4 .333 
Concordia-Austin (ASC-W) 1 2 .333  1 3 .250 
Sul Ross State (ASC-W) 1 2 .333  1 3 .250 
Louisiana College (ASC-E) 1 2 .333  1 4 .200 
Austin (ASC-E) 1 4 .200  1 4 .200 
Rose-Hulman (SCAC) 1 4 .167  2 5 .250 
Texas-Tyler (ASC-E) 0 0 .000  3 2 .600 
Christopher Newport (USAC) 0 1 .000  4 1 .800 
Emory and Henry (ODAC) 0 2 .000  2 4 .333 
Methodist (USAC) 0 2 .000  2 4 .286 
Texas-Dallas (ASC-E) 0 2 .000  0 5 .000 
North Carolina Wesleyan (USAC) 0 3 .000  2 4 .333 
Schreiner (ASC-W) 0 3 .000  0 4 .000 
University of Dallas (IND) 0 4 .000  2 6 .333 
Ferrum (USAC) 0 4 .000  1 5 .167 
Thomas More (PrAC) 0 4 .000  0 6 .000 
Lynchburg (ODAC) 0 5 .000  0 8 .000 
Washington and Lee (ODAC) 0 5 .000  0 8 .000 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2005, 08:36:04 PM
Andrey, thanks for compiling the list.  Please remember that UT-Tyler (ASC-East)  is in the 3rd year of provisional status, and their games do not count towards in-region standings.

And you have Murvul leading the pack! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 04, 2005, 09:29:23 PM
Im back ready for another year.  While Murvul has lost hern dog probably there best player ever we still have Andy Chaney the always stellar and always savy guard who is our new "X" factor
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 04, 2005, 09:37:16 PM
Murvul is more balanced this year than in the past few years.  Bobby Golden is probably our biggest presence but Bo Mason and Monte Calloway are both returning starters.  Last years best freshman in GSAC Jeremy Holliday is a stud and Bradely Blair would be a very good player if he could play some defense.  NO one is going to beat Murvul in GSAC again this year.  Randy still has the touch and dont forget about Andy Chaney AKA "X"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2005, 07:31:22 AM
Coach Beaty

I was wondering when you would show up again on this board.  I missed you Coach! :-*
Bit of advice for this season Coach, don't write a check that your team may not be able to cash...  ;D
I still hold that Murvul will be undefeated through the Xmas break.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 05, 2005, 09:12:16 AM
I am with Coach Beaty
Andy Chaney, GSAC Player of the Year, I am supporting the campaign now
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 05, 2005, 01:03:35 PM
Just wanted to join some of my ex-teammates on here and give my fighting scots some love.. A 6-0 start is great considering that the only remaining tough games might be Transylvania and Fisk on the road. I for one did not think they would start off this good, since the departure of myself and Mr.Ellis. If the Scots can keep it up they might be in for a #1 South Region spot.
  Very proud of my Coaches Mr.Lambert and the Mr.Underrated "Spencer Beaty"..
Few understand the impact of this assistant coach... Nothing but love for Coach Beaty..
   King College-Wed.... Transy-Sat...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2005, 01:52:25 PM
GSAC Killer,

Is that you, Raul? Welcome to the msg board. I enjoyed watching you play ... I'm partial to pure point guards.

I am also a little surprised that Murval is off to such a fast start without you and Ellis. I can think of very few really good teams that don't have an outstanding pure point guard. (there are exceptions to every rule ... Jordan's Bulls did OK.) No disrespect intended towards Mason ... he is obviously a very good guard. But I consider him as more of a combo guard.

I think Murval's fast start is a testament to their system. They lose outstanding players but just keep rolling along.

I don't know if this will be the year that Murval is unseated as the GSAC champion or not ... but I do think the rest of the league is improved. It s/b an interesting season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 05, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
mason is what would be considered a lead guard as many are referred to now, like a baron davis

Raul is the man, obviously hair and brains don't mix

Lambert graduates studs every year since i can remember, i.e.  Matt Ennen, Josh Tummell, Jeff McCord, Sydney Ellis, Kris Sigmund,  Raul Placeres they keep putting guys on the first team all south and creating gsac players of the year, b/c believe me, not all of those guys were studs when they got there
There is a lot more raw talent on this team with golden, blair, mason, and calloway than many other teams, there is just not the polish b/c they are all young
And believe me the reason there are so many studs graduating is b/c Lambert produces them in his factory
I predict this years gsac player of the year is Bobby Golden to keep the streak alive for MC, but i do agree the GSAC is much improved this year and I think there overall record against nonconference opponents, and that is everyone
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcscotsalumni85 on December 05, 2005, 03:51:29 PM
As a MC grad I don't understand how MC never gets any respect from D3hoops.  Maryville is 6-0 and they beat all these teams away except one home game.  Maryville also has a tough schedule outside of the conference.  Maryville beat Centre (at Centre), which many predicted Centre to go far this year.  Maryville also plays many Schlorship NAIA and division II schools.  They play King College (NAIA) this week; Carson Newman division II and Tennessee Wesleyan this season.  Carson Newman lost to The University of Tennessee in their second game this season.  I would also love to know the age old question?  How can all of these Wisconsin schools with thousands of students and other Universities not colleges like Christopher Newport with over 5000 students fairly be in division III category with the likes of normal 1000 student colleges like Maryville or the other 95 percent of true division III schools?  Can anyone answer that question? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2005, 03:54:02 PM
I'll answer that for you in a minute...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 05, 2005, 04:25:09 PM
Well,  to answer all of your questions everyone in GSAC stinks except for MURVUL and fisk, but fisk cannot win the game when they play murvul so i guess u can say what u want.  no on in DIII is 6-0 xcept murvul and we still get the shaft.  Well until we be King college or someone is busting on MC i shall be idle.  expect X to have a big game against KIng.  Over and Out
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 05, 2005, 04:37:07 PM
to put it in perspective, murvul is like a mid major, it dominates a non power conference, and does defeat good teams from other conferences, but until the GSAC gains more recognition it will be tough for maryville.
They have never been to a final 4, 1 elite 8, and two sweet sixteens over 14 seasons not bad at all, but the games in the WIAC, the MIAA and several other conferences are much tougher, MC would be very good in the ODAC, USAsouth,SCAC, ASC, but unfortunately those are good conferences, but not where most of the national titles in bball go
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: andrey on December 05, 2005, 04:57:11 PM
I think what coach Lambert needs to do, is schedule one or two games with the following two schools: Illinois Wesleyan and Wooster. If we can show everyone that despite dominating weak conference for the past 5 years, we can also beat top DIII programs in the country; we will definitely get some respect from d3hoops analysts. However, for this season we need to beat teams like King College, DII Carson-Newman (finally) and Tennessee Wesleyan to be in top 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2005, 05:09:15 PM
MC gets the shaft because they have not beaten anybody of note this season.  MC is (6-0) so what? The combined record of the 5 teams you have beaten is (16-17) with none of the teams ranked in the Top 25.  That's sure impressive and eye-opening  :o to a lot of people!  NOT!!! 

FISK may be (5-2) but they sure as hell have played a LOT tougher schedule so far than MC!  If FISK played MC's non conference schedule to date they would be (6-0) too.  I dare Coach Beaty to say otherwise.

But FISK is trying to get some national respect as well and the only way to do that is to play ranked teams like Randolph-Macon and Mississippi College.  The Bulldogs may not win those games. But I applaud Dr. Glover for having the guts to schedule those games, cause if FISK does win both of those games, everyone on this board (including Beaty) would be hard pressed not to acknowledge that FISK is a legitimate Top 25 team!   



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 05, 2005, 06:28:22 PM
Good one wilburt.  None of the teams are in the top 25 huh?  Imagine that.  You loose to a team that the people who rank teams think is not good and they arent going to keep you in the top 25.  I had to get back you made the stupid comment.  You know what he had guts but they spilled on the floor along with any shot at a NCAA tourney bid when the LOST.  "You play to win the game."  Sentimental victories are for Fisk fans
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 05, 2005, 06:28:52 PM
oh i forgot X for president
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 05, 2005, 09:28:56 PM
Bo Mason is probably the most underated player in the conference.  By the end of the year he will be averaging 15+ points per.  Murvul has so much depth this year that it isnt even funny.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 06:55:49 AM
Congratulations to Murvul, "#27" in the week 2 poll.  You are only 12 votes out of 25th.  I expect you to rise into the Top 25 after the next 1-2 weeks of losses by higher ranked teams.

There are 3 dynamics that work on the Top 25.  You get your initial ranking based on the previous year's outcome plus anticipated new players.  After that 1st ranking, then you float upwards as higher ranked teams lose and fall their 8-10 spots with the loss.  In the uncommon case of a major upset of a highly ranked team by a team of unanticipated quality, the "newbie" may gain traction on the way up.

Murvul is on the "float" up!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2005, 07:57:49 AM
Coach Beaty

What in the world are you talking about now?  Your incoherent ramblings are difficult to follow, much less understand, as it is!  Do you know what a complete sentence is? It is what you use to convey a complete thought :D.   

Go listen to Matt Grubb and Doug, I admire those guys opinions and they are a couple of Murvul fans with some common sense and perspective.  So keep on with your little insults and digs about FISK if they make you feel better about Maryville.  It just shows your petty mindedness and latent insecurities to the rest of the people who post on the board!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 06, 2005, 12:18:32 PM
William:  I mostly agree w/ your post #177.  The lack of national respect for the Scots is an old issue.  It will not be "fixed" until MC beats some respected teams, even if they beat everybody else.  Fisk's schedule does have some real challenges (the likes of which I would schedule too if I had all those guys returning!).

You still have to beat the Scots some, though, to climb into national respectability.  Looks like this year is a good opportunity (but don't count on it!).

I am not sure playing and even beating DI, DII and NAIA schools helps much with the national ranking stuff within DIII. For southern schools that cannot easily schedule the usual DIII powerhouses, it creates a dilemma.  Beating the scholarship schools does not help much and losing to them just messes up the won-lost stats that people who do not know much else rely on.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 06, 2005, 01:18:22 PM
I agree with Wilburt, but here are some differences
A loss is a loss, no matter who it is against
Playing scholarship schools is a different game, it can look impressive, but if a D3 school is beating a scholarship school they obviously don't have a good "system" that they run effectively, which is what the power D3 teams do very well
Also, Fisk has got to beat the Mississippi Colleges and Randy Macs, so whoever wins the MC/Fisk matchup can have national respect, even if the teams split, if both teams have strong nonconference wins then it makes both teams look better
And remember i cheer for Maryville first and the entire GSAC second, so make it hot
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2005, 02:24:41 PM
1. Grubb can you explain what you meant by the following:

"Playing scholarship schools is a different game, it can look impressive, but if a D3 school is beating a scholarship school they obviously don't have a good "system" that they run effectively, which is what the power D3 teams do very well"   

I don't understand what you mean by not having a "good system" if you beat a scholarship school.  Do you mean that the scholarship school doesn't have a "good system" and that's why they were beaten by a D3 school?  In your opinion what is "GOOD SYSTEM" anyway?

2. Doug, I agree playing scholarship schools does not help you with the national rankings.   But please further explain your following quote to me:

"Beating the scholarship schools does not help much and losing to them just messes up the won-lost stats that people who do not know much else rely on."

Why do you say that beating scholarship schools does not help much?  Help much with what? I agree it doesn't mean a difference when it comes to South Region games, but IMHO there are other benefits to beating/playing those scholarship schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 06, 2005, 02:35:11 PM
I mean the scholarship school does not run a good system b/c they do usually have bigger, stronger, quicker and faster athletes and at the pinnacle of d3 bball is usually the same programs, so one would be lead to believe they have a very strong system they run and execute very well,  there is not going to be one player that leads his team to the D3 title by himself
Horace Jenkins and Devean George proved that, so you better put your stock in running a precise offense and a great team defense
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 06, 2005, 05:50:57 PM
Sorry Wilburt,
im a new man no more bashing fisk its time to be a new man
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 07, 2005, 08:59:47 AM
Thank you Coach Beaty.  You are a gentleman.

I'll have some more thoughts for Grubb and Doug later today regarding the wisdom of playing D1, D2 & NAIA schools...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 07, 2005, 11:37:43 AM
William:  I think there are a few good things that can come from beating scholarship programs, including in recruiting and team confidence.  But when you lose, which is usually what happens, then for purposes of getting DIII respect and rankings and tournamnet bids, it seems to me that, as Matt said, a loss is a loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 07, 2005, 01:22:53 PM
Grubb and Doug

Before I get into my comments about the wisdom of playing D1, D2 and NAIA schools, let me say that both of you bring up some good points.  I basically agree with you both.  But I happen to see a deeper benefit to playing those type of schools, particularly for those D3 schools who are likely to receive a NCAA tourney bid.

Regardless of what system you run, I am of the opinion that you generally need D2 level talent on your team (2-3 players) to compete successfully for a NCAA D3 basketball championship. I think the domino effect of my theory applies as well to all levels of basketball.  For example, IMHO in order to win a State High School basketball championship (at the largest state bracket, like AAA in Tennessee for example) you generally need 2-3 players who are capable of playing at the college level and one of those has to be a legitimate D1 player. 

You would generally need mid-major D1 level talent to win a NCAA D2 national title; you would generally need a couple of NBA draft picks to win a NCAA D1 national title, and you would need a couple (or at least one) Hall of Fame player(s) to win a NBA title.  That is a rough working theory I have about winning basketball championships at the highest levels in high school, college and the NBA.   I am sure that there are exceptions to this rule, but it is a general rule that I go by.

If you agree with my premise, then IMHO it would benefit D3 schools, who are capable of possibly competing for a D3 national title, to play D2 schools.  Once you progress deeper and deeper into the NCAA tourney, the talent level of the teams you meet in the later round gets better and better (ie more like D2).  If you have little to no experience playing against those type of teams during the regular season, you may not be as prepared as you should be to compete at the "highest level" in the NCAA tourney.

If you are used to playing a relatively "cup cake" schedule you are IMHO particularly vulnerable to teams one would face in the Sweet 16 round or higher.  I am not saying that Maryville's schedule is a "cup cake" schedule. It is in fact reasonably challenging one as noted by Ralph Turner, and I agree with him on that point.   But IMHO, it looks like Lambert prepares a schedule just to get into the NCAA tourney, rather than to prepare his team to win it all (D3 national title)!  I see a BIG difference between the 2 strategies.         

Sorry I'm a little long winded :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 07, 2005, 02:47:13 PM
But IMHO, it looks like Lambert prepares a schedule just to get into the NCAA tourney, rather than to prepare his team to win it all (D3 national title)!  I see a BIG difference between the 2 strategies.  -Wilburt

Well william, if you don't get into the tourney, you don't have a chance to win a title, and without an automatic bid, if your record is not impressive enough to get you in i.e. 20 wins, then you have no chance of playing for a title

And what about having NBA talent at the d3 level, that does not give you a title,       
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 07, 2005, 06:41:49 PM
Big game tonight.  King College brings their scholarships we bring our ability to be better than them.  They go us last year but we got em this year.  Prediction:

                               MC:70                         KC:65

                                   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 08:55:26 PM
Coach Beaty, I have a question about King's College TN.

I thought that there were no athletic scholarships in NAIA D2.

King's is listed as a member of the Appalachian Athletic Conference.

http://naia.collegesports.com/member-services/championships/Qualifcation_Plans/DIIMensBBQP.htm

Thanks in advance for your clarification.

(We don't have any NAIA-2 schools in the area of the ASC.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Where is Hern on December 07, 2005, 09:34:21 PM
Boys...theres a new sherrif in town

Once again another great win by the fighting scots of maryville. Just moving on up those rankings, just the way i like it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Where is Hern on December 07, 2005, 09:37:08 PM
and another great win for Beaty's JV
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 07, 2005, 09:40:47 PM
Never mind.  I greatly underestemated the Scots or maybe overestimated King College.  83-59 beat down with all of MC's players getting to play.  We are ready to play Tranny on Saturday.  This game will be a big hurdle but that is what i said about King College.  (Fisk is ok with me).  That is for you Wilburt. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Where is Hern on December 07, 2005, 09:44:34 PM
If anyone was present for tonights game against King...the "x" factor was owning the three land...he lit it up. another amazing showing of this years GSAC player of the year..Andy Chaney
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 07, 2005, 09:51:23 PM
Pat, as far as i can tell NAIA gives full and partial scholarships.  even in DII.  I dont know for sure but im fairly certain.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 07, 2005, 09:52:15 PM
what is karma on this thing and is it bad that im a negative. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on December 08, 2005, 06:36:00 AM
Enjoyed watching the Scots last night. What a beat down of King College. They darn near blew the hair off the coach at King's head. Yes, Beaty's JV did get the party started, and it looked like all of the stars were in line as I shared my ice cream with a former high flyer, however, I came home and couldn't find my dog. I looked everywhere for him. His name is Scottie Dog. He sometimes likes to go to Aubrey's for lunch, hang out around the college dorms and stuff, but now he is gone. And I don't want to accuse anyone, but I think it was my former girlfriend and Scots halftime performer Shiela Evans who took him. Because, as you can see by this post, she is back in town. Go Scots and Go Cheerleader singing the National Anthem.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 08, 2005, 08:00:33 AM
Hey Ralph,

What's involved with the Karma score?

Surely you know ... you appear to be "the man", karma-wise, with a score of 53.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 08:29:01 AM
Good Morning old Lion,

Karma is explained in the Site FAQ under the "General" heading.

Here is the link. :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=41
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 08, 2005, 10:24:08 AM
Interesting ... thanks for the info, Ralph.

"Only more veteran posters are allowed to affect a poster's karma, and this is done via links titled "applaud" or "smite" under a poster's name."

I don't see any "applaud" or "smite" links ... I assume that means you have to be a "more veteran poster" even to see the links?

Thanks again for educating the karmaless ... (smile)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 08, 2005, 10:26:30 AM
King is a good program year in and year out so that is an impressive win
I think the Scots early season success can only be attributed to the return of Sheila Evans, she really motivates the crowd with her dance moves
I will be at the game on sat. and i will be dressed as a Transy...pioneer that is
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 08, 2005, 11:35:34 AM
William and Matt:  I think you are both correct.  And Lambert's playing Carson-Newman is part of his way to get the experience William suggests is necessary to understand what is coming in the DIII tourney.

I know that Maryville lost a recruit to King largely becaise of money, which suggests that King offered a better financial package.  The player is a good student so MC could have offered some non-athletic scholarship money, but then again so could King.  But my second hand information was that King offered an athletic scholarship that left the student having to come up with less money.   (And King would have done even worse last night if it had gone the other way).

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 08, 2005, 01:16:56 PM
What a performance by the Scots last night.. Total domination of a team who beat us last year.. The Scots inside-out game will be tough to handle.. If Mason n Calloway are on with the combination of Blair n Golden in the block their are not to many teams at the Div III level that can counter that.. Biggest test so far will be from the Pioneers on Saturday..
  It was nice to see the Old School Scots in attendence... Tummel,House"nothing but the bottom of the net wright", and Mr.Siggy...
Congrats to Coach Beaty's 4-0 JV Squad.. Can someone give this man a Head Coaching job somewhere!!!
  Scots 7-0 who would have thought..
P.S. Bradley Blair reminds me of a young Josh Tummel...hahahahaha..jk ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 08, 2005, 01:33:39 PM
King gives scholarships, no question about it, but does it matter, Murvul dominated, that is all that matters
Sig is so skinny
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 04:50:53 PM
Old lion, I don't know at which level karma kicks in. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 08, 2005, 04:59:55 PM
who is GSAC Killer and who is big dog
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 08, 2005, 05:05:48 PM
as a fan of MC hoops since i was 5, im now 16, but anyway.  Here is my list of MC's top ten players since ive been watching in no particualr order.  Hern is number one in my heart but number 500 on the list. honorable mention to the short term J Doan and also to Raul Placeras. 
1. Sydney Ellis
2. Matt Ennen
3. Chris Houswright
4. "D" Bell
5. Brent Watts
6. Josh Tummel
7. Chris Sigmund
8. Ben Roberson
9. Spencer Beaty
10.ANDY CHANEY!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 08, 2005, 07:06:25 PM
what is up with my Karma.  Im not Budhist.  I do not need it.  But why is it so bad what have i done to anybody
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 08, 2005, 09:09:42 PM
Hern Dog was present at the "Massacre and Boydson." King was dethroned and the MC "king" AKA Hern Dog was there to see it.  Perched high on his lofty pillar across from me, i saw him applaued very pleased with the effort he had enstilled in his team.  Hern then hugged a tree as he is king of the trees
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 09, 2005, 10:55:49 AM
I appreciate the love Spencer but your comment on Hern Dog has had me rolling throughout the day.. He is the king of trees..hahahahaha
  Big game this Saturday... 1st official test of the year....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 09, 2005, 11:26:54 AM
These Trannys are going to be a real test on sat.  I will be there to cheer on the Fighting Scots.  My prediction is Maryville 187
Tranny   14

They are going to get some late buckets in the last minute of the game.

That prediction is in honor of the MC superfans who regularly post on the board.

I think the scots have the firepower to outscore the pioneers and i don't know if the pioneers have the athletes to compete with the scots, but they do have some good wins and one close to loss to an obviously impressive wittenburg team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 09, 2005, 01:48:43 PM
great article in the knoxville paper about the scots today, it focuses in on how fat bobby is, and the years of success lambert has had
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 09, 2005, 02:04:36 PM
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/preps_boys_basketball/article/0,1406,KNS_8737_4301514,00.html
This is the website for the article entitled "The Golden Touch"
sounds like Sheila Evans has gotten ahold of the scots this year, go dance team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcscotsalumni85 on December 09, 2005, 09:05:48 PM
I will definitely be at the MC game tomorrow.  So Yes "Mix" is back.  I did see the Scots play last year against Wilmington College in Ohio and Thomas Moore and I can't wait to see them this year.  The Knoxville Sentinel's article on the Scots today was very good.  I still don't understand and no one can ever give me an answer why all the big Universities in Wisconsin are allowed to play in Division III.  I pulled up the enrollment for all of those schools and one of the schools have over 9000 students. 
Anyhow it is still concerning to me that when Wittenberg beats Cedarville (a NAIA school schlorship) there is a big article on them and how they almost walk on water; however, when MC beats (kills) a NAIA school (King College) there is not one mention about this.  How many other schools are 7-0?  I don't believe many if any.  I believe MC's only tough games will be Carson Newman (Division II), Tennessee Wesleyan and perhaps Fisk (at Fisk).  I believe MC could go undefeated at best or three losses at worse.
That is all.... Go Scots!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2005, 09:50:07 PM
mcscotsalumni85, Wittenburg defeated the #4 ranked team in NAIA-2.

King was not even among the 43 NAIA-2 schools who received a vote in the Dec 7th poll.

http://naia.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/120705aaa.html

As for the WIAC schools, they decided to move from NAIA-1 to D3 in the mid 1980's.  They have to follow the same rules as Maryville.  Whether we like it or not, the public vs private argument always draws heat but little light that has not been seen before.

Kinda like D-1 NCAA, Centenary LA (835 students) competes in the same division as UT-Austin (50,000+) in all sports that it sponsors.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2005, 12:58:45 AM
Quote from: mcscotsalumni85 on December 09, 2005, 09:05:48 PM
I will definitely be at the MC game tomorrow.  So Yes "Mix" is back.  I did see the Scots play last year against Wilmington College in Ohio and Thomas Moore and I can't wait to see them this year.  The Knoxville Sentinel's article on the Scots today was very good.  I still don't understand and no one can ever give me an answer why all the big Universities in Wisconsin are allowed to play in Division III.  I pulled up the enrollment for all of those schools and one of the schools have over 9000 students. 

This ain't high school. In college, classification is not determined by enrollment. It's not like they recruit their basketball team by hanging up some signs in the hallway -- the basketball players are at that institution for the same reason they are at yours, or any other. They are recruited specifically to come there.

Quote from: mcscotsalumni85 on December 09, 2005, 09:05:48 PM
Anyhow it is still concerning to me that when Wittenberg beats Cedarville (a NAIA school schlorship) there is a big article on them and how they almost walk on water.

We're smart enough to know the difference between beating a ranked NAIA team and a 7-5 NAIA team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 10, 2005, 10:38:52 AM
Tranny's only lost was to whitenberg who is number 3 in the nation.  They also beat Otterbein so be prepared for a great game today.  MCscotsalumni, this will be a good game trust me on this one.  Bobby needs to play big today
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 10, 2005, 05:35:59 PM
What now!  MC with a big win.  A very scrappy performance by all.  A great win that will certainly push them into the top 25
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcscotsalumni85 on December 10, 2005, 06:39:32 PM
Scots are 8-0 and I hope this will give them some respect.  I went to the game today and MC looked good, but not spectacular or Transylvania is just very good.  The game was tied at 51 with just a few minutes to play.  Now I do know that Transylvania only lost one game coming into MC and that was by 11 points to Wittenberg.  Transylvania has really excellent 3 point shooters.  They aren't much inside though.  MC looked somewhat sluggish, but they did win.  I believe Coach Lambert is one of the best coaches ever, as he has had several opportunities to go to bigger schools to coach.  However I don't understand why the big guy Golden doesn't stay in the paint more and make layups instead of standing on the outside.  It didn't seem like anyone could block him when he was inside.  And I thought MC should of fouled the inward pass with like 10 seconds left up by 3 points.  Bo the point guard is very good and Holliday is good.  I hope the Scots crank it up a notch in Tampa against Transyvania again.  They surely should be in the top 25 after being 8-0.  Go Scots.  Good seeing you TR.
Mix
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 10, 2005, 08:27:17 PM
the scots had a descent game today
Great win for them, i would have liked to see them play better and run their offense more effectively, but it was a very disciplined transy team as usual.
Obviously beating King is good win, but not a great one
I MC had beaten Transy in 01 when they were ranked #1 in NAIA 1, that would have been noteworthy, but they lost by 6
Who really cares about size, everyone knows "size doesn't matter"
Great job to Lambert for 8-0 before the break, he oviously has a brain in that large cranium of his and he is learning how to use it with age.
He is a great D3 coach and very knowledgeable about the game and we are glad he stayed at home at MC.
Mason shot well and Monte had 12 points and 12 boards not bad for a shooting guard
Make it hot scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on December 10, 2005, 08:31:13 PM
Great Scots win and also good to see an alumnus from my era. However, and I don't mean to sound critical, but the Scots play better when the cheerleader sings the National Anthem. The piped in  church organ just didn't get me as fired up as a back hand springer crooning at the Baird House. Game management, fix that for me. Another thing, the multiple half time dance routines were appreciated by this conniseur of such cultural delights. Give me a new Fines Arts Center and I'll be doin  hip hop with Gerald G. The stepping event had the best post man in MC history and me mesmorized as he even left the confines of the reserved seats behind the bench for the section where I was sitting with my dad and a guy handing out MURVUL hats.  Well done Scots! I liked Transy's team and they were well coached and I am sure they will be an NCAA tourney team. If we can handle the egg without dropping it or breaking it or sitting on it and hatching it, the Scots will be OK. Welcome back Mix.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 10, 2005, 09:31:50 PM
MC won without andy chaney the heart and soul of the team who played very limited minutes with a back injury
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 10, 2005, 09:50:22 PM
No chaney, close game
Next game will be different
Bobby got distracted by the smell of popcorn the 2nd half, he has never been mistaken as a skinny person, i wonder if coach lambert could get him bigger shorts
He did dominate though, he draws as much attention in the lane as he does at Golden Corral, where he is also a standout performer
Sheila Evans had a great halftime performance as usual and i think that is what got monte off to that hot 2nd half start
Mix, good to have you back
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 11, 2005, 01:31:50 PM
Well William, my Lions are 5 and 3 at the break ... only 4 more wins to go to meet your expectations. I like our chances.

Have a good holiday season. See you in '06.

Quote from: wilburt on November 11, 2005, 07:41:25 AM
My 2005-06 GSAC regular season predictions


                     CONF    OVERALL
FISK                (7-1)    (19-6)
Maryville         (6-2)    (17-8)
Huntingdon    (4-4)    (17-8)
LaGrange       (3-5)    (13-12)
Piedmont        (0-8)    (9-16)

William Burton, the prognosticator
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 11, 2005, 02:38:46 PM
Great win for the Scots.. They played a very good Transy team that could eventually make it to the NCAA tournament.. It was nice to see the Scots play a good team and come out with a victory.. It was also nice to see some of my old teammates especially Jeff McCord and his fiance.. Congrats Jeff!!

And to whoever predicted an 17-8 season for the Scots is NUTS!!!
   The Scots only possible losses could be to Transy at the tournament in Tampa and possibilities of Fisk and maybe Carson Newman... 9-0 going into the break, WOW!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2005, 04:53:29 PM
mcscotsalum85, it looks like you might get your wish.   You will likely pass #25 Ramapo in votes received.   It depends on how much #19 York falls.   A team usually falls 4-10 places due to a loss.  The Transy win was a good in-region win.

That looks like #25 or maybe #24 if you can leap-frog John Carroll, but the Blue Streaks are a well-respected team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 11, 2005, 07:52:40 PM
OK Scots fans, let's not entirely overlook this road game at Averett, which is having a better year than the USASouth gang expected and is coached by an old Emory and Henry player who is good and would LOVE to catch the Scots reading these posts and their press clippings.

I thought Transy was really good...patient, disciplined, and capable of a lot of points in a hurry (remember last year).

Is Chaney ok?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 12, 2005, 08:19:50 AM
Quote from: wilburt on November 11, 2005, 03:13:11 PM
Old Lion

BTW, for what it is worth I make these predictions each year and for the most part I have been wrong.   The guys from East Tennessee got very mad at me last season when I predicted their first regular season conference loss (I was one overtime period away from being correct), and that they would win less than 20 games during the regular season (which I believe Murvul did, I could stand corrected though on that point)       



Hey GSAC Killer and Old Lion, remember when I said for the most part I have been wrong with my predictions (see above)! I can admit when I am wrong, can you two ;)?

Overall, I have been relatively pleased with the increased strength of the GSAC teams versus non-conference opponents. I have been downright surprised about Maryville and Piedmont, and somewhat disappointed in Huntingdon and LaGrange.

No one from East Tennessee would have nor predicted Maryville to be undefeated at this point.  Doug and Grubb were cautiously optimistic and Brett was a down right pessimistic.  Brett was that way perhaps due to the fact that he has no one to shift his affections towards since his  Man-Crush love "Raul" has graduated. 

And now we have a Murvul bandwagoner "mcscotsalumni85" that now demands "national respect" for beating a relatively average NAIA scholarship team. Go figure?  I'm glad Pat Coleman answered your questions.   

Murvul  basketball is not just a game it must be an East Tennessee religion!  Believe it or not I am happy for Maryville and I do pull for them along with the other GSAC teams except when they play FISK.

Happy Holidays to you all (that includes you too Coach Beaty!)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 12, 2005, 11:45:05 AM
I hope to see the scots handle averrett pretty easily and be ready for the break at 9-0
I can't wait for the gsac schedule to start and then we can really start talking trash and i can tell you how Lambert is the Godfather of the GSAC and Beaty is the enforcer.
Then i can see Blair dunk on piedmont and Bo score 40 against Lagrange
Oh i can't wait

Chaney work on your back we need you son
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 12, 2005, 06:52:59 PM
Wilburt, Im glad you are wishing me a happy holiday.  How could I not?  Scots 9-0 and there only legit chances for a loss would be Fisk CN and Trannsy again.  But as the Trannsy coach told our paper "i hope coach Lambert brings his SPF to Tampa cause we are going to burn him up."  PSH!  that is so rediculous.  We played scrappy with a less than historic scoring night with all involved.  Andy Chaney was hurt but he will be back by there next game.  All i can say to the Trannsy coach is you might as well call yourself a volleyball, cause u bout to get smacked around

(LOVE YOU WILBURT!)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 13, 2005, 10:47:49 AM
I predict the scots beat transy in Tampa, Bobby will be in much better spirits, anytime  he gets to eat at golden corral it makes him so happy
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 13, 2005, 02:44:54 PM
Scots #22 baby
It is about time they get a little respect, unfortunately with 1 loss they will fall completely out, but they will work their way up to 15 or 16 if they keep it up, but that is as high as they will get as usual, like the years they go to the sweet sixteen and end up ranked 16th, but no complaints, top 25 out of 400 plus schools not bad
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 13, 2005, 06:26:42 PM
It is my opinion that the teams who havent lost should be ranked ahead of some of these 2-loss teams.  if you loose 2 games no matter who you still cannot be ranked in the top 25 this early in the season.  The undefeated teams (Like MURVUL) should take the top seeds and let those good teams who played even better teams get shuffeled into the mix at the bottom
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 08:51:14 PM
You're under the mistaken impression that these are standings. They're not. They're rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 13, 2005, 09:36:32 PM
it doesnt matter pat. its the principle of the thing.  If you loose you shouldnt be ranked ahead of a team that hasnt. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 14, 2005, 12:24:10 AM
Your principles don't match our principles then, sorry. Some of us realize that your record is not only a function of your own level but the level of those you have played.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 14, 2005, 07:24:33 AM
Great answer Pat.  But my friends from MURVUL will continue to demand more national respect from you.  You have to understand that besides UT women's basketball, MURVUL basketball is the only source of basketball PRIDE for those in the Knoxville area.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 14, 2005, 09:52:06 AM
Actually William,
Knoxville is also the home of Junior Pro basketball, which is the youth basketball league founded by Adolph Rupp.  Also, the women's basketball Hall of Fame is located in Knoxville, so i will agree with your statement.

Good Answer Pat, soon enough the scots will earn their respect with a final four or something and that will be a lot better than just given respect.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 14, 2005, 12:56:10 PM
This message is for Mr.Pat Coleman.. First and foremost your rankings are a joke... How can you not even rank the team who has one back to back championships, thats ridiculous... Secondly its quite obvious you think the better brand of basketball is up north.. Would any of those teams want to play Maryville, or Randolph Macon, or even Mississippi College?? I dont think so...  And lastly what about in 2003-2004 the Scots end up going to the Sweet 16 and lose to a Final Four team in John Carrol by only 2 points on a play that could have gone either way and you ended up ranking the Scots 16th... Are you serious.. Let me remind you you also ranked the Randolph Macon Yellow Jackets or whatever the heck they are ahead of the Scots when the Scots beat them at home in the 2nd round of the playoffs... Everyone in the South already knows you are biased to all the Teams down here.. Its ok because who even CARES about Pat Coleman's ranking, what matters how far you get in the tournament..
Scots 8-0 and the great Randy Lambert has not lost a regular season conference game in 6 years ... he is like 100-1 in his conference thats AMAZING... So Scots nation we know it does not matter what they say or what they think we will continue to win 20 games put up NCAA banners and win conference championships......
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 14, 2005, 01:01:14 PM
oh Pat by the way you speak about our level of play well tell me how many teams have gone to the NCAA tournamewnt 7 consecutive years winning 20 games and being #1 or #2 in their region... CONSISTENCY!!! Something you nothing about with your silly rankings... Enough with you ... By the way with all I have written here you still do a great job of covering the rest of D3basketball and D3 football... Very grateful for your time to our Division...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 14, 2005, 02:09:54 PM
Sorry Pat, now GSAC Killer wants to whine and restart the Civil War again.  Didn't the South lose that the first time around?

RMC lost to Lincoln (a northern school) by 23 points recently. I think the interesting question should be do those Southern teams like Maryville, Mississippi College and RMC want to play teams like Lincoln, Amherst, Williams, Calvin?  Well at least RMC will  ;D, and we saw what happened there.   

So if there is a bias against Southern schools, IMHO it is probably justified by their performance against Northern schools in the NCAA tourney.

And Pat, for what it's worth I CARE :)!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 14, 2005, 02:30:23 PM
the problem is logistics, can the scots afford to travel the way the old SCAD teams did, not on the typical D3 budget.  Should they schedule a weekend tournament up north once in a while, probably, but who wants to go north in the winter, not me
The Killer is right, if you are not playing in March, then you are not playing for the title so who cares what you are ranked.  Would the scots be 100-1 in the WIAC or MIAA, who knows would be more difficult than the gsac, certainly, but Lambert does find a way to win, I agree his consistency proves that.
Does Lambert do a good job of recruiting players to a school of 1000 students at 30,000 dollars a year, certainly, is it tough to compete against larger less expensive schools, sure, but who cares, let's jump it up in March, we see the same things every year and maryville is there every year
Pat did a great article on maryville after they beat Hampden Sydney in 2000, misspelled the names of most of the players mentioned or just the wrong names period, but he did cover them
Will we stay on him til he covers maryville more, certainly, because we love the job he does and we obviously love our scots and Lambert
Should the scots be ranked higher right now, who knows, does a young team want that target on their back, b/c being 15 or 16th early in the year is a target.
I see a trip to Maryville for Pat Coleman in the future and when he does come to maryville, I have a great place for him to stay nestled in the mountains, he can spend time being bombarded by crazed maryville fans, about 2200 of them in our 2000 seat gym, it is a cozy place, besides he has to take a vacation sometime and what better place than them green hills of Tennessee
GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2005, 02:31:48 PM
GSAC killer, you brought up post-season play.  Let's look at the recent playoffs since the establishment of the Pools system in 1999.

Maryville has never been to the Elite 8.
Maryville's only victories over non-South Region teams were over representatives from the SLIAC.  There are very few conferences with a less-stellar playoff record.
Maryville's record against members in other non-South Region conferences in the era of the Pools is 0-4.
Maryville's record against fellow South Region Conference, the ASC, is only 1-3.

You mention the in-conference record.  Last year, Maryville earned home court advantage, won the first round game against Methodist (getting the first round "jitters" out) and then you lost at home to a Mississippi College team that had been stomped in its conference tourney and had a bye before traveling 490 miles by bus to Maryville.  Miss Coll went 19-3 in conference, 21-4 including the ASC post-season tourney. That suggests that Maryville would be a good ASC school but not dominate the conference.  (As for growing the conference, the GSAC turned down bids to join from Thomas More and UDallas.)

I would say that there are not enough good teams in the GSAC to toughen MURVUL for post-season play.  MURVUL is good, but not stellar.  They might be considered the most prominent of the "D3 mid-majors".  Matt Grubb has the most reasonable view of his team.  Altho' I have never met Matt, I glean that he has seen and played in several games in the NCAA tourney.

I hope that the ASC and the GSAC can meet again in the tourney.  Better yet I would love to see a pre-season tourney involving GSAC schools and the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2005, 02:35:32 PM
I second Matt's thought on getting Pat Coleman to Maryville.  Get a good opponent that can give him an assessment of key individuals and teams in the region!  It is a treasure to us for him to give his valuable time (and time away from his family) to see any D3 team in person.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 14, 2005, 02:59:08 PM
i think one of the best D3 mid majors is a great way to look at maryville and this or next year could be their year to break out of that mold
Ralph, i have seen and smelled an NCAA tourney game or 5 in my day.
That is true, there best wins have been HSC, Mississippi, and RMC over the past 7 years in my opinion
All south regoin teams, but good wins, a nice victory over John Carroll or Wittenburg would have been nice and if the games were in Maryville they could have been different games, but when it goes up you have to go with what you have got and I would be proud if i wore maryville on my chest
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 14, 2005, 04:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2005, 02:31:48 PM
 (As for growing the conference, the GSAC turned down bids to join from Thomas More and UDallas.)


Ralph,
Question for you ... I had heard rumors re the above, but admittedly, have no first hand knowledge. I would love to see the GSAC grow to at least 6 teams. Any idea why the above two schools were turned down? Are there any other possibilities on the horizon?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 14, 2005, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on December 14, 2005, 12:56:10 PM
This message is for Mr.Pat Coleman.. First and foremost your rankings are a joke... How can you not even rank the team who has one back to back championships, thats ridiculous...

It's not "one back to back championships" -- it's TWO back to back championships.

Or perhaps you mean to say "won back to back championships" -- but then again, our voters know what UWSP has back (one starter, two of their top eight players, and no returning head coach). Perhaps you should do your homework before you question.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 14, 2005, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 14, 2005, 02:59:08 PM
i think one of the best D3 mid majors is a great way to look at maryville and this or next year could be their year to break out of that mold
Ralph, i have seen and smelled an NCAA tourney game or 5 in my day.
That is true, there best wins have been HSC, Mississippi, and RMC over the past 7 years in my opinion
All south regoin teams, but good wins, a nice victory over John Carroll or Wittenburg would have been nice and if the games were in Maryville they could have been different games, but when it goes up you have to go with what you have got and I would be proud if i wore maryville on my chest

That goes back to the "who wants to travel up north" message from earlier -- if the NCAA is going to force you to do it in March, shouldn't you practice doing it in December and January? The same thing came back to bite Hampden-Sydney in the rear a couple times -- they never played one single game outside of the state of Virginia except the one time the ODAC schedule took them to Guilford, in North Carolina. Then in consecutive years, the NCAA sent them to William Paterson, a game they lost, and to Catholic, a game they lost.

I hope Maryville does bust out of the mold a little bit -- predictability is no fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 14, 2005, 04:58:16 PM
Preach on Pat, Preach on...

I have been trying to get the fans of MURVUL to understand the importance of having a tougher regular season schedule that prepares them to go deeper into the NCAA tourney.  They seem to be content just to beat up on relatively mediocre Southern D3 teams in order to get into the tourney.  They appear to be scared to have a more challenging schedule, because it would affect their coveted won-loss record, ands affect their chances to get into the tourney.

I am reminded of a kid in high school who took relatively easy classes (no AP level classes) and had a 4.0 GPA but wondered why he scored so low on the SAT (about 850 or so).  Yet a kid from the same high school took tougher classes (a lot of AP level classes) had a 3.2 GPA but scored about 1250 on the SAT.  Who would you rather be?   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2005, 05:16:45 PM
Old lion, my thoughts are for growing D3 in the South.  I posted a long analysis on the ASC board about what the 15 schools (after the loss of Austin College and the completion of provisional staus by UT-Tyler) need to do to split into 2 conferences to double the AQ's.  The first response from one school was they did not have the room to add mens' and women's tennis. :(

I would advise any conference to get to AQ status, as the Pres AC did with Thomas More, the North Atlantic, the NEAC and the Great Northeast have done,  the UMAC is doing and the USAC in football for that matter.

The process to move from NAIA to D3 is about 5-6 years from when the Board of Trustees at old Alma Mater U say they are going to do that.  I have seen the list of exploratory schools and no one in the Deep South is on the list, nor is any school except Spelman on the list of provisionals between now and 2010.  (Spelman should be full D3 in August 2006.)

The fastest case scenario for getting an AQ in basketball for the men would be to add Rust and UDallas.  Or you could steal Oglethorpe and one other.  Another choice might be to find some NAIA schools (e.g., football-playing Shorter) or NCCAA 's ( e.g., Atlanta Christian College) and wait the 5-7 years for them to become full members. I would hate that an 17-9/8-2 Huntingdon won the conference and the post-season tourney and yet did not get a Pool B bid and a 24-3/8-2 Maryville (all 3 losses to Huntingdon) did.

On the New Conference board on the Men's Multi-Region sorry, the General Basketball page, I speculated about a "Little SEC" comprised of the schools that Pat mentioned in his "Interstate 8" blog.

To get the minimum 7 schools for the AQ, the "Little SEC" might include Mississippi College, LaCollege from the ASC, Oglethorpe from the SCAC, Maryville, Huntingdon, LaGrange and Piedmont.  (He is not hearing Fisk in that group. :( )  Piedmont and Oglethorpe would need to add football for it to be advantageous for Miss Coll and La Coll to move.  To satisfy the requirements for an AQ,  the new conference would need 7 schools fielding the same 5 men's and 5 women's sports, one sport in each of the 3 seasons, and 2 team sports for M&W.

I hope that helps. :)


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2005, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 14, 2005, 02:59:08 PM

Ralph, i have seen and smelled an NCAA tourney game or 5 in my day.


:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 14, 2005, 06:11:23 PM
Man guys lets have peace.  What would Hern Dog do?  He would hug a tree, that is what he would do.  Dont be bagging GSAC Killer for his bad use of homophones.  Big deal.  What we need is some chances for the big guns from the north are to come one down and felx their guns southern style.  Well I've gone into depression.  No MURVUL home games till January 3rd
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 14, 2005, 06:36:05 PM
Fellas, I wish I could speak further on the state of our conference and the addition of schools and our wish list of NAIA schools and other such things but it does no good.  We are what we are and we gotta live with it. 

I will speak on the Maryville/South D3/state of the union discussion currently going on.  The one thing that keeps me level in this world is knowing that everything is relative.  I feel like Maryville is a darn good program at any level.  To me they are a very difficult opponent for our team and any team that steps betweeen the lines with them.  I also feel like Sewanee and Centre are good programs.  We beat Sewanee on the road by 30, Centre beats us at home by 20 then Sewanee beats Centre.  I say that to say this.  Basketball is typically an any given night, any given team situation.  The one thing about Maryville is that they trump that mentality on a daily basis.  They don't give people those opportunities to take advantage of.  It won't just happen that you beat Maryville.  You better be good and you better bring it.  There are better teams in D3 than Maryville.  Are there 21 right now?  I don't know.  I don't think there are 21 better basketball PROGRAMS in D3 right now, and right now all things being relative, that would be something more sturdy to hang a hat on than anyone's rankings. 

Now excuse me I must go yell and scream for 90 minutes.

Merry Christmas(Are we still allowed to say that on this board?) and Happy New Year to everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on December 14, 2005, 07:06:28 PM
GSAC Killer, please stop.  Your rantings are terribly annoying and baseless.

Maryville is good, dang good.  There are some 400 teams in D3 basketball.  The voters on this poll only see a fraction of those teams.

Based on the consecutive tournament appearances and the fact that Maryville gets at least one win in the tourny every year, I don't think anyone could argue placing them in the top 25 to start just about every year.  However, it is obvious that the voters take into account graduating senoirs and Maryville just lost an All-American.  Those are hard to come by. 

I am sure that the D3hoops.com people have great respect for the recent accomplishments if Maryville.  There are very few schools who have been as consistent over the last 7-8 years.  However, there are dozens of school that have done better in individual years.  As Pat said, predictability is boring.  Let's beat a team outside the south in the tournament and then we'll talk top ten respect. 

As a side note, it is unfortunate that the geographical layout of D3 schools forces Maryville to travel after the first or second round of the tournament every year.  I would love to see some of those schools down hear in March.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on December 14, 2005, 07:35:59 PM
I am up for bringing in a Ralph Turner and Pat Coleman to Murvil and showing them some southern hospitality. I think Pat is in D.C. and we have Independence Air and I would gladly spring for a ticket so he could come down and see a game. We could have a big party for Pat. I don't know Ralph but hey, who likes to travel alone. If he is in D.C. the offer stands for him as well. Coach Lambert is the best-and Maryville is moving up the academic echelon quite nicely. If you guys are interested, repost and I will give you my 800 number, look at the Scots schedule and host you for the evening. And fellows, if cheerleader sings the National Anthem, Shiela Evans dances at halfime, you too will be converts, new believers to basketbal at Boydson Baird (Maryville's Home Floor). C'mon down fellows.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2005, 08:14:08 PM
Big dog, I am actually counting on McMurry hosting MURVUL in the South Regionals! ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D ;D ;D 8)

However, the lovely bride might not want me visiting eastern Tennessee just to see a Sheila Evans halftime dance routine. :o

As for inviting Pat Coleman, bring him down for a tourney in Maryville with Maryville and some other GSAC team hosting a John Carroll and a Wooster or Witt.  Then the GSAC fans could see other well respected teams playing in the hills.

I think that Matt Grubb remembers McMurry from the 2000 playoffs.  Well, Coach Ron Holmes and Coach Russell Vanlandingham have joined forces again and are playing that same style of ball! :)  Coach Holmes and Coach Vanlandingham brought in nine new players and the 15 players are getting used to the system.

In the ASC-West pre-season poll, 2005 ASC-West tri-champions McM and Hardin-Simmons were voted 3rd and 4th.  Monday night, McMurry jumped on HSU early and beat them 126-104.  McMurry had 10 players in double-digit minutes and the starting #2 guard was ill and did not play.  Eight players scored in double figures.  McMurry outrebounded HSU 55-34, including 33 to 26 on defensive and 22 to 8 on offensive boards.  We are looking forward to the rest of the season.  I hope we are hosting the Scots or the GSAC representative! First, we have to get thru a very tough ASC schedule!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on December 14, 2005, 09:36:30 PM
who let the ferrum football posters parade as m'ville hoops fans?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 15, 2005, 08:11:27 AM
I agree with Coach Haynes. The GSAC is what it is, and will be this way (5 men and 8 women) for quite some time in the near future.

FISK is now (6-2) and looking forward to facing #11 RMC in 2 weeks.  Hey Pat, if FISK beats RMC on their home court can the Bulldogs be ranked just like MURVUL.  Please, pretty please!  We would be undefeated (albeit 2-0) in the South Region just like them ;)...

I'll keep my mouth shut :-X until then. Well I'll try to at least.    
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 15, 2005, 09:09:10 AM
The Panthers will try and do the GSAC some good this weekend when we play, undefeated in SCAC play, Hendrix and #6 Albion.  Whoever made this schedule should be punished.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 15, 2005, 09:35:54 AM
well GSAC here is our chance, come on panthers, if you beat Albion and we beat you twice as usual, that will do the GSAC good
The last time John Carroll came to MC it was not pretty, they were coming off of an elite 8 appearance the year before and it was around thanksgiving and they beat us 40, different maryville now
But this LC Albion game could be big, come on panthers
Pat, my place is always open
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 16, 2005, 10:35:07 PM
This break has really depressed my spirits.  This is no holiday.  I would like to take this time to talk about a very underated player for MC.  Jeremy holiday has got a good package.  He is a bit scrawny but he has a great mid range game and can take it to the whole.  He has a great work ethic and never makes any stupid mistakes.  Here is a salute to you JERMS.  have a great holiday season wilburt.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 17, 2005, 11:22:57 AM
I 2nd that emotion coach beaty
Holiday is the total package, i hear he is a favorite of the ladies at MC
Coach Lambert said, "Well he (Holiday) might not be able to read, but he sure can defend"
That really is a great compliment for a scots player, while granted he is no andy chaney, but who is?
Happy Holidays to you all, Jerms style
Scots 376   Averrett 12
Let me know how the game goes
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on December 17, 2005, 02:06:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2005, 12:58:45 AM

This ain't high school. In college, classification is not determined by enrollment. It's not like they recruit their basketball team by hanging up some signs in the hallway -- the basketball players are at that institution for the same reason they are at yours, or any other. They are recruited specifically to come there.


This one has been eating at me a little.  I don't share GSAC killer's feelings that large public schools shouuld not be aloud in d3.  However, they do have obvious advantages beyond hanging a sign in the hallway for tryouts.  They have a much larger pool of kids to pick from in recruiting.  There are many more kids who have the means to pay for public tuition.  I am currently watching the d3 football national championship game.  They just mentioned that UW-Whitewater has 10,000 students and 45 academsic programs.  That much academic diversity increases the recruiting pool even more.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 17, 2005, 03:05:55 PM
Scotswin

Life's not fair, so why worry about the enrollment of the state schools in D3 like Wisconsin.  Would you want to spend a winter in Wisconsin?  I think not, that's punishment enough as it is.

I too like Coach Beaty hate this "dead period" in the season, but I have had two office Xmas parties to go to this week so that has occupied much of my time. Still planning on going to the GSAC tourney in Montgomery in February, anybody else going?

Can't wait for the GSAC season to start in a few weeks and to see Courtney Ellis (The soon-to-be 2005-06 GSAC player of the year) in action!         
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2005, 04:16:09 PM
OK William.  Usually your postings are reasonable and do not rely on conjecture about people's motives and character.  I appreciate that.  But recently you wrote about Murvul,"They appear to be scared to have a more challenging schedule, because it would affect their coveted won-loss record, ands affect their chances to get into the tourney."   The idea that Randy is "scared" is absurd.   He may or may not make decisions based on the kind of calculations you suggest, and we are all free to think whatever we will of those decisions, but "scared" is the wrong term.

I think the idea of a tourney at MC with Fisk (or somebody else from the GSAC) and Wooster and John Carroll or somebody like that is a great idea, but it is possible that the non-GSAC teams want no part of such a thing.  In my opinion, before we declare who is scared of whom, we ought to know some facts.

I am "in" if we need some money to get Pat (and even Ralph and this McMurry stuff) to come on down!  And see the Step Team.  And the basketball teams.

And MC has come back from 12 down to lead Averett at 53-50 with 8:47 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2005, 04:43:05 PM
I do not think of myself as a "I told you so" kind of guy, but Averett beat Murvul 73-70.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:19:15 PM
MURVUL fans, I have a feeling that MURVUL, Mississippi College and McMurry fans will be scoreboard watching this season as those teams jockey for position in divisions and in the South Region.

McMurry has come from an 11-point deficit to tie Louisiana College at the half.  That is always a strange venue for Texas ASC teams when they play LC.  If McMurry cannot take advantage of this, then we really have to work hard at Clinton on Monday night.

Travel safely!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 18, 2005, 01:16:11 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 17, 2005, 04:16:09 PM
 The idea that Randy is "scared" is absurd.   He may or may not make decisions based on the kind of calculations you suggest, and we are all free to think whatever we will of those decisions, but "scared" is the wrong term.

Doug, you bring up a fair point about the use of the word "scared" when it comes to "Randy's decisions."  How about risk averse based on his calculations?   Will that suffice instead?

FISK can go to play #11 RMC and Mississippi College on the road and Coach Haynes can take his LaGrange  team to play #6 Albion, but MURVUL can't do something similar?   Why is that Doug? If the "least" of the GSAC can play these top caliber teams, why can't the "standard bearer" for GSAC basketball do the same?  That's all I want to know. 

BTW, sorry about the loss to Averett.  I was hoping MURVUL would go undefeated through Xmas.  But the good news is that the UT Vols beat 6th ranked Texas.  Go Coach Pearl and Associate Head Coach Tony Jones!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2005, 07:03:52 PM
I think that the "#6" LaGrange Men's golf team should host Albion's in return! :D

http://www.albion.edu/sports/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=622&Itemid=624
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 19, 2005, 07:58:03 AM
Coach Haynes, I know Coach Beaty is not one for sentimental victories, but you have got to be proud of your team's effort against #6 Albion.  I know I am :)!  I am sure they will grow from this...

Go LaGrange!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 19, 2005, 08:44:59 AM
Quote from: Picket Fence on December 18, 2005, 06:51:45 PM
I think the MIAA schools get screwed in the rankings every year. The Great Lakes region is dominated by the Ohio schools in the rankings every year, because they have two conferences that can easily play each other and talk about how great the other teams are.  They don't seem to give the MIAA schools any respect because they don't have the regional games to support their good records.  Meanwhile they won't play the MIAA schools so the MIAA can prove their records.  Because of this, I think that until the NCAC or OAC can prove they can beat quality MIAA schools (Albion already owns a win over Baldwin-Wallace) they should not be ranked ahead of them, because all we have to go on is last years results, in which the MIAA (Albion) dominated.

Does this discussion sound vaguely familiar to anyone?  [Hint: GSAC Killer] Now the Great Lakes teams are complaining about getting screwed in the rankings.  Who says the midwestern teams aren't down for inter-regional games to prove their worth?

GO FISK!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 19, 2005, 10:27:01 AM
In Murval's 3 point loss to Averett, I noticed Mason didn't start, didn't score, and only played 9 minutes.

What's the deal? Was he not 100% for some reason?

If Murvul's PG was not at full speed, then that put's an asterik by Averett's win.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 19, 2005, 11:48:29 AM
no asterik, when it is game time, it is like Norman Dale said, "My team is on the floor."  On sat, that was the machine that is MC bball and they lost to averrett.  They are young and they need to learn that lesson.

Great job to LC, almost had it, now maybe people will respect the GSAC a little more, keep playing good teams like Albion close and the wins will come.

Now we are pulling for Fisk to beat RMC, Maryville can beat RMC with Wansley(NCAA tourney 2 years ago), can the bulldogs, let's see
Wilburt, Tony jones told me to tell you what up
The Scots will be back with a tough game against the Transylvaniatites, they will be ready
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 19, 2005, 12:01:36 PM
Bo Mason was sick w/ flu.  Did not even dress until half and tried to play after that as Murvul was way behind but he could not help.  It is my understanding that Golden was sick too but he was able to stand.

William:  Your restatement about Lambert is more accurate.  I do not knpw if the other teams in the Tampa tourney (DePauw, Kalamazoo) are in the category of Transylvania, whom Murvul plays first.  You are assuming that the kind of teams you think Murvul should play want to play Murvul...but neither of us knows.  It does take two coaches to schedule a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 19, 2005, 02:46:08 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 19, 2005, 12:01:36 PM
You are assuming that the kind of teams you think Murvul should play want to play Murvul...but neither of us knows.  It does take two coaches to schedule a game.

It does take two Doug. I do recall Lambert playing D1 Austin Peay a couple of years ago [but if I remember correctly] Lambert did not initiate that discussion, the Austin Peay coach did. 

Don't get me wrong Doug I am not hatin on Lambert [he is an excellent coach and a fine gentleman], but I do question at times whether he is the right coach to take Maryville to the next level [Top 10-Final Four].     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 19, 2005, 03:00:46 PM
Wilburt,
are you saying we should Jerry Green Lambert.  No way, he is the right man, we love him and always will.  And I pity the Fool that says anything different.
Next subject is a question, "Who is Randy?"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 19, 2005, 10:25:26 PM
William:  You a hard man!   I don't get your repeated return to this scheduling DI foes, which I think is silly to do and lets the DI programs use DIII for no purpose useful to DIII.

It is a different subject to talk about Fisk and Murvul and LaGrange scheduling R-MC, Wooster, Albion, etc.  I support that kind of scheduling.  It is a real test and if you lose, you may have learned something useful about what it takes to win in DIII. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 20, 2005, 01:14:40 PM
William, thanks for the positive post about our close game.  Now if we only had a LC fan to talk trash with you guys our program would be complete, except for a couple of players and conference championships. 

I am not in this gig for moral victories!  That being said I was very proud of how we played both Sat & Sun at Hendrix, which by the way is a great area, good looking campus and a new awesome facility on the way for 07.  There were positives and negatives to both games and I think it helped us.  I just wish it wasn't Christmas time so we could build on those things instead of sit and think for 8 days.  We took an 18 point lead in the 2nd half on Hendrix and fouled them back to 2 points before focusing and hitting 10 straight free throws and getting 2 steals in the last 1:15.  Hated to see that lead go away but loved to see our guys maintain some focus at the end and finish it out anyway.  The Albion game is tough to talk to about. They have a great coach and tradition plus a monster in the lane.  The release attatched to our score tells the story very well so I am not going to replay that for anyone.  It is very frustrating to know that playing as we did this past weekend would have gotten a couple more wins in the early part of the season and playing just two possessions better would have gotten us a landmark victory. 

On the scheduling discussions.....I didn't know going into this past weekend we were going to play the #6 team in the country, it just worked out that way.  I don't really feel that there is a difference in playing top ranked teams or middle of the pack guys.  It is most important to practice at the highest level possible and transfer that to games.  No matter if that is against GA Tech or Long Cane middle school.  I know that I would like to have some people's schedules that have included some easier games than ours instead of being 4-7 right now.  Our schedule doesn't get any easier either.  We all know that the DIII level is not all about winning games but nobody likes to lose.  I don't care at what level you are. 

I have said this before but here it goes again.  Merry Christmas!  and you can celebrate new year's with the panthers versus former Maryville asst. Chris Bunch and his Gorlocks(one of the best mascots and stories in sports) from Webster. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 20, 2005, 02:21:27 PM
Bunch is wise beyond his years, he is a player developer if there ever was one.  A great looking guy too, i can't wait to see his bald overweight self in maryville soon
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: #1 Fisk Fan on December 22, 2005, 10:36:43 PM
I think fisk will leave the tournament  undefeated Becuse Chris Adams is playing the point guard role well this year is averaging 12 points and 5 assits 3 steals with three turnovers. He is my 2005 -06 GSAC player of the year. His backcourt mate i s also playing good I think Jermiah Williamson and Chris Adams is the best backcourt in the GSAC and Probabaly one of the best backcourts in the country. BY the way Chris Adams Mother Was all conferece point guard at Tennessee State University  from 1984-1988. She was top 5 in the nation in assist her junior and senior year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on December 22, 2005, 10:53:47 PM
typical maryville team and typical fisk fan.  Fisk fan, what tourney are you talking about....the GSAC?  Anyways, I think Fisk has already lost this year, therefore they will not leave the tourney undefeated. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 23, 2005, 10:31:24 AM
12 point per game wont get you the GSAC player of the year.  Bobby Golden is the Player Of The Year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 23, 2005, 11:25:58 PM
Hey Fisk Fan,

Where are you getting your numbers? I have never seen any stats on Fisk's website. If you can post a link, I'd appreciate it ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 25, 2005, 08:56:47 PM
all i want for my Bday is a win in tampa for my scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 27, 2005, 08:18:38 AM
Recuperating from my Xmas, I hope everyone else had a fine Holiday as well.  Just catching up on some previous posts I see that Coach Beaty posted a Top 10 of Murvul's finest.  I thought I would add a Top 4 (in no particular order) of sorts for my all time favorite FISK players as well.

1.  Kendell Stephens '70  Drafted in the 10th round 1970 NBA draft. Later served as SID for Tenn. State and FISK.

2.  Mathew Knowles '74 played on 1974 conference championship team that beat a Len "Truck" Robinson led Tenn. State team in the NCAA tourney (back then college Division) in the 2nd round.  Now a music executive and father of singer Beyonce Knowles.

3. Reynaldo Glover '65 played on 1964 conference championship team, conference MVP and all-time leading scorer at FISK.  Went on to Harvard Law School and now is Chairman of the Board of Trustees at FISK.   A really nice guy.

4. Brian Keith '85  my classmate at FISK, All-SCAC first team and All-South Region Team NCAA D3.  The only ball player I knew that was a mathematics major, and darn near the first person I met when I moved into the freshman dorm at FISK during the fall of 1981.  He could crunch some calculus problems!

- If I had a No. 5 it would be Dr. Larry Glover '79, a scrappy PG from back in the day.

- Old Lion FISK  stats are confidential info ;).

- If 12 points per game may not get you GSAC player of the year, then neither will Golden's additional 20 lbs! Grubb, FYI I own stock in the Golden Corral...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 27, 2005, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: wilburt on December 27, 2005, 08:18:38 AM

- Old Lion FISK  stats are confidential info ;).



William, you old spin doctor, quit trying to put lipstick on that pig! (I must admit, your loyalty is commendable.) Fact is, Fisk has one of the worst basketball web sites around. Off the top of my head, only Rust comes to mind, that is worse.

Why don't you guys call on Beyonce? Maybe she'll donate some money to upgrade the gym and the web-site.

Ahh, Beyonce ... you finally posted something about Fisk that impresses me. Just kidding ... sort of.  :>)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 29, 2005, 01:42:03 AM
wilburt i am in cashville and it is a nice town, although i agree with Old Lion the knowles family does need to hook yall up, i met beyonce once, but had to run with Vivica Fox, b/c J was there and 50 and Vi had broken up so that was safer

I do agree, GC is a great stock during fall and winter when football and bball teams are traveling, especially when bobby golden is on the prowl
1.  Timmy Leroy, med school, biggest guy you will ever meet, if you know what i mean
2. Kelvin Richardson, could flat out play
3.  Kris sigmund, heavier than bobby golden
4. Andy Chaney
and there they are for MC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 29, 2005, 10:16:57 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 29, 2005, 01:42:03 AM
3.  Kris sigmund, heavier than bobby golden

I think you mean Matt Ennen.  That guy is huge Kris is just larger than life
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 01:30:54 AM
Congratulations to the FISK Bulldogs  for their victory over R-MC! :)

It's gonna be a Happy New Year, Wilburt! ;)

Make a run at MURVUL!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 30, 2005, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: yj424 on December 29, 2005, 10:52:32 PM
Fisk is extremely quick. Dominated the Macon guards, especially between top of the keys, forced many turnovers. R-MC had a 5 point lead @ the 9;48 mark, had 2 chances to build on the lead but turned the ball over and Fisk got back into the game with momentum. Still 2 to 3 point game under 4 to go, Fisk worked the clock beautifully holding the ball and spreading their offense, only then to blow by the defense for easy baskets. A very well coached team.

Fear the Bulldog y'all!

Thanks Dr. Turner, and good Luck to McMurry as well.

I would expect FISK to get some votes for the TOP 25 rankings after this win!  It took some time, but this win is a benefit you get from playing a tough non-conference schedule like FISK's .  Of course it can backfire on you, but when it pays off, boy does it feel good! 

Great day for FISK  and a good day for the GSAC!   

Finally, there have been some  initial discussions for the Knowles to build a Fine Arts Building at FISK  rather than a new Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 09:55:25 AM
Wilburt, the Knowles adding a quality Fine Arts Builiding to the FISK campus there in Music City makes a great deal of sense.

We are instructed concerning our philanthropy not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing, but the other side of that is when you bring your loaves and fishes to be used in generous service, it can inspire others.

I pray that the Knowles family will consider the best way for their stewardship and philanthropy to bear fruit, thirty-fold, sixty-fold, one hundred-fold and clearly hear God's instructions.

Good luck to FISK when they play Mississippi College! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 30, 2005, 09:57:18 AM
wilburt:

Congratulations on FISK's win over R-MC ,and at R-MC no  less !!!  Also congrats to the Photo on d3hoops of FISK.  I hope the Bulldogs, don't suffer the same fate as Lincon ( Picture on d3hoops, and a loss that night).  The d3 photos of the game between FISK & R-MC were nice!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 30, 2005, 09:58:58 AM
wiburt:

Btw, one of my daughters works for the NJ Nets, and I see Beyonce with Jay-Z at some of the games!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 30, 2005, 07:25:41 PM
way to go  fisk
bout time the scots got back on track
i will be there to see bunch
holla
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 30, 2005, 11:15:28 PM
good to see two gsac schools make the headlines on d3hoops
siiiiiiicccckkk 4 the gsac
New year's chicago style i will be with solid 4's don't hate
4s need love to holla at yo boy
booby golden (spelled correctly) likes biscuits and gravy
Andy Chandy for President 08
good job fiosk (spelled correctly)
scots please step your game up for the conference schedule, no one believes they can beat you
Randy Lambert is a pimp
Holla
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 31, 2005, 12:09:25 AM
William,

Great win for Fisk and the GSAC ... Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 31, 2005, 07:12:11 AM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 30, 2005, 09:57:18 AM
wilburt:

I hope the Bulldogs, don't suffer the same fate as Lincon ( Picture on d3hoops, and a loss that night).  


Too late for that njlincolnlion.  It must be like the Sports Illustrated jinx!  Well at least it (the loss to Farmingdale) was not a South Region game.   Mississippi College in two days and counting...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 31, 2005, 08:11:22 AM
Also, thank you Pat Coleman for covering the FISK-RMC game.  The pictures look great and I think I may buy a couple of them!

I know the loss to Farmingdale negatively affected FISK's chances at the Top 25 ranking this week :'(, but there is a lot of the season left to play, and IF the Bulldogs can finally get the best of MURVUL this season, and beat Mississippi College in 2 days maybe things will change.  But that is a BIG IF!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2005, 08:40:00 AM
Wilburt, the big picture for the FISK Bulldogs is getting a Pool B bid!

Ya gotta beat the Choctaws on January 2nd!

You know this, but I hope that the FISK newbies that are lurking out there will keep that in mind.

Please refer to the NCAA Playoff for the selection criteria!

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 31, 2005, 01:32:24 PM
I am curious if any FISK poster or lurkers went to Ashland for the RMC   tourney? I saw the game on Thursday and thought... hey.. this is a really solid squad. They'll probably win handily... then they lost? I didn't see Farmingdale State play the first night so I don't know what they're like... are they decent? What does the box score suggest? (I'm sorta on my treo... so I can't really just pull it up). However, I tend to be a little skeptical of East schools... so my curiosity is seriously peaked.

When I was at the game Thursday night, Pat was kind enough to show me a seaon  stat sheet from Fisk. He made a joke about how I was one of the only ones who'd ever seen one... I guess that's reslly true huh? It looked like it had been done on Excell... not statcrew... which was weird to see... major kudos to the SID who works under that low of a budget sports info office.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 31, 2005, 01:52:15 PM
There was at least one FISK alum who went to the game who lives in Richmond, but I have not had a chance to talk to him about the game(s).

Farmingdale State is an above average D3 team, they won 20 games last season, and they get most of their players from the New York area.  Losing to them is nothing to be ashamed of, but what had been the tendency of FISK teams in recent years is to have a mental let down after big wins like this one. In part it is understandable, but they have to learn to put that behind them and focus on the next game at hand. It is a long season and you can't go reliving past victories when you got an opponent who wants to kick your butt the next day.

FISK has two players that have played on state championship teams in high school (one is from Tennessee and the other is from Illinois) and others from winning high school programs, so that is a lesson they should have learned back then. Hopefully, this will give them something to think about on the trip to Mississippi.

Diehardfan, that FISK stat sheet is confidential information :D.  Pat Coleman was not supposed to show that to you...

Dr. Turner you are always correct, but it is always nice to get some recognition in the rankings every now and then!

Mississippi College will not be an easy game on Monday for FISK.  The Bulldogs are darn near traveling half the country (Virginia to Mississippi) so who knows how their legs will be after the trip.  Thank God the season's schedule gets relatively easier after January 2nd when the GSAC games start.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 31, 2005, 02:48:49 PM
Fisk better beat the choctaws, the gsac needs that victory, even though the scots are 1-2 in their last 3 games, not good, Centre did beat hanover and MC did beat Centre, that is cool, should be a good strength of schedule, BCS, thing for the GSAC
1/2/06 DDAY boys
GOOOOOOO Bulldogs
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2005, 03:58:57 PM
Farmingdale is decent, possibly above average. (They got 20 wins, wilburt, but in a weak conference. Plus it was 20-9, not like it was 20-5.) Because of the traffic I was unable to see any of the Kenyon/Farmingdale game, howveer, so I don't know what to make of it.

Fisk got outrebounded by a significant margin. Game was a seven-point game until Farmingdale made a little run late and it was around a 15-point game when the fouling started.

This is far and away their best non-conference win in quite some time:

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=SUNY-Farmingdale&team=m&year=2006&filter=nc
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=SUNY-Farmingdale&team=m&year=2005&filter=nc
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=SUNY-Farmingdale&team=m&year=2004&filter=nc
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=SUNY-Farmingdale&team=m&year=2003&filter=nc

(They were independent in 2002-03, the last year listed there.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 01, 2006, 02:02:32 PM
RANDOM THOUGHTS:

Thanks for clarifying things about Farmingdale Pat Coleman.

Matt Grubb I hope the Bulldogs can deliver, but I will gladly trade a loss to Mississippi College for two wins against MURVUL this season ;D

FISK should be prepared for the Chocs, and at the very least won't be intimidated by them.  After playing in front of 7,600+ fans against TSU and the home crowd at RMC, FISK is battled tested and ready to go into any hostile gym.

BTW, congrats to Coach Haynes on his win last night. 

FISK-MURVUL in about 10 days.  The battle for D3 basketball supremacy in Tennessee ::).  By the way, Coaches Lambert and Beaty should invite UT Asst. Coach Tony Jones (and Coach Pearl also, if he can make it) to the FISK-MURVUL game at Maryville.  If his schedule permits, I'm sure Tony would love to come! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 01, 2006, 03:54:20 PM
William
last time i saw tony i invited him, but i think a fisk alum would have better results than an MC alum

Beat the Chocs
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 01, 2006, 08:25:03 PM
What is the latest on andy chaney?  Grubb do u know if our star X factor is 100%
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 01, 2006, 10:14:28 PM
the rest of the GSAC better be on the lookout for a new baller coming to town for Piedmont. Piedmont has just welcomed Lynchburg College's Pete Manos to the team. This kid can play. Take a look at his game against Lagrange: 33 points and 11 rebounds. He was averaging 13.6 points a game along with 4.8 boards a game. He's a 6'3" wing player that should be able to thrive in the system Piedmont plays once he learns it and is given the opportunity to prove himself down there in GA.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 02, 2006, 09:42:43 AM
Thanks William, Webster is a very good 1 win team.  They have had an incredible schedule and had the misfortune of catching us on a night were we decided to hit some shots.  William don't overlook opening weekend of the GSAC(Men) LC&HC at MC&FU.  I wish we could just all meet in Chattanooga and play at the arena for the weekend.  Who splits? Who sweeps? Who comes out of opening weekend in the GSAC cellar?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 02, 2006, 03:00:36 PM
Hey >,

Surely you jest ... why would the kid leave his team in the middle of his junior season?

If you are serious, what's the story?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 02, 2006, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 02, 2006, 03:00:36 PM
Hey >,

Surely you jest ... why would the kid leave his team in the middle of his junior season?

If you are serious, what's the story?

Yes, I'm serious, more serious than a heart attack! My "lawyers" have advided me not to give out any details about the situation!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2006, 10:01:14 PM
Congratulations to the Hawks for their win over Sewanee!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 03, 2006, 07:21:08 AM
Tough loss to Mississippi College, but let the GSAC games begin!  Hopefully, FISK  can break a two game losing streak against Huntingdon  and LaGrange  this weekend. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 03, 2006, 11:02:36 AM
no word on our star, Chaney
one player does not make a team for Piedmont, unless they got Andy Chaney
I am going to see webster play today and see my old friend Coach Biiiiuuuunnnnccccchhhhh for Webster.  He is the greatest coach ever
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 03, 2006, 01:42:22 PM
Prediction:

Piedmont will be undefeated in GSAC play this weekend!

Additional thoughts:

I think the GSAC teams would do well if they were in the ODAC.  Murvul  and FISK could compete for the ODAC title and IMHO the other GSAC teams could easily finish in the top half of that 10 team league.

On the contrary, I think the GSAC teams would do poorly if they were in the ASC (either division).   The ASC may be the best overall basketball conference in the South Region!

My Southern Region conference strength rankings:

1. ASC
2. USA Conference
3. GSAC
4. (tie) ODAC and SCAC

Any comments?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 03, 2006, 03:47:14 PM
wait til you see a gsac team go to HSC and win, then we will talk about dominating the ODAC, take it from a guy who has done it, not easy to do

The scots wore out Bunch and the gorlocks, too much scots for the gorlocks to handle who were obviously tired from their long road trip
Andy Chaney is a straight player
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2006, 06:22:54 PM
Wilburt, the ASC may be down a bit this year.

TU is definitely back.  Southwestern is down.  Hendrix surprised a flat UOzarks last pm.

Austin College is going from the ASC-East to the SCAC and the ASC may become stronger for it.

The ASC-West is weaker.  Two years ago, the West beat the East something like 44-23 in interdivision play.  They are close to even this year.

My rankings would have the top 2 in the ASC-East MC and UT-Tyler, the UMHB, McMurry and HPU in the ASC-West, Trinity in the SCAC, MURVUL in the GSAC and H-SC and R-MC in the ODAC in the top tier.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 04, 2006, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: wilburt on January 03, 2006, 01:42:22 PMMy Southern Region conference strength rankings:

1. ASC
2. USA Conference
3. GSAC
4. (tie) ODAC and SCAC

Any comments?

the odac is stronger than the gsac and the usasac, especially at the top...there are 3 really solid teams in the odac in hsc, rmc and vwc...the gsac has just 2, and the usasac doesn't have one right now - some of the other teams in the odac (guilford, emu, roanoke) can beat some teams - i'd take those 5 over the gsac 5 (although it would be close) - right now, i think the gsac is better than the usasac...of course, that could change by the time the season is over
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 04, 2006, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: > on January 02, 2006, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 02, 2006, 03:00:36 PM
Hey >,

Surely you jest ... why would the kid leave his team in the middle of his junior season?

If you are serious, what's the story?

Yes, I'm serious, more serious than a heart attack! My "lawyers" have advided me not to give out any details about the situation!

i've got a call in to someone "in the know" on this situation...we'll see if this is legit soon enough (like on sunday when pc comes to fayetteville) - old_lion...hope to see you there again this year - i can confirm that manos is NOT on the lynchburg roster...interesting

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 04, 2006, 02:19:41 PM
Please don't ever rank anyone above Maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 04, 2006, 02:32:28 PM
well I talked to manos himself, so i'm 100% sure its legit

Quote from: narch on January 04, 2006, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: > on January 02, 2006, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 02, 2006, 03:00:36 PM
Hey >,

Surely you jest ... why would the kid leave his team in the middle of his junior season?

If you are serious, what's the story?

Yes, I'm serious, more serious than a heart attack! My "lawyers" have advided me not to give out any details about the situation!

i've got a call in to someone "in the know" on this situation...we'll see if this is legit soon enough (like on sunday when pc comes to fayetteville) - old_lion...hope to see you there again this year - i can confirm that manos is NOT on the lynchburg roster...interesting


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 04, 2006, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: > on January 04, 2006, 02:32:28 PM
well I talked to manos himself, so i'm 100% sure its legit

you could be right, i'm just one to believe something when i see it myself or hear it from "someone in the know" - pc plays tonight, so if manos plays, you're correct :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 04, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: narch on January 04, 2006, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: > on January 04, 2006, 02:32:28 PM
well I talked to manos himself, so i'm 100% sure its legit

you could be right, i'm just one to believe something when i see it myself or hear it from "someone in the know" - pc plays tonight, so if manos plays, you're correct :)

if he plays i'll be quite surprised. he said its going to take a while to learn the system
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 04, 2006, 05:00:53 PM
As in, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Then again, there was that Trojan Horse that didn't work out too well...

Narch,

I can confirm that he is physically in Demorest. When and if he plays is another matter.

I would think it would be difficult to add a player at midseason ... I have no idea if that's even the plan. Considering the depth and good chemistry we have, this sounds like a situation that we'll approach very cautiously.
It s/b interesting ...

I'll see you in NC on Sunday.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: leroy on January 04, 2006, 11:26:59 PM
Quote from: wilburt on January 03, 2006, 01:42:22 PMMy Southern Region conference strength rankings:

1. ASC
2. USA Conference
3. GSAC
4. (tie) ODAC and SCAC

Any comments?


IMHO Rankings (# Teams)
1. ASC (16)
2. ODAC (10)
3. SCAC (10)
4. USA South (7)
5. GSAC (5)

Hard to compare when one conference has 16 compared to 7 and 5.  I haven't seen much of all of these conferences, but have seen at least 2 teams in each one....I wonder how others would rank them? Do tell. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2006, 11:50:05 PM
Leroy, we compare the ASC-West Division and the ASC-East Division as virtually separate conferences.  The top 4 teams in each division (except 3rd year provisional UT-Tyler) meet in the conference tourney for the single Pool A bid.

The divisions play single round-robin inter-division/cross-over games and double round-robin intra-division games, 22 conference games total.

The Cross-over games will be completed by next Saturday.

As for post-season play for the 1998-2005 playoffs, the ASC has 9 wins, 11 losses and 5 byes.  (Miss Coll has received 3 Pool C bids.  Miss Coll, McMurry, Sul Ross State and UT-Dallas have received Pool A bids.)  The ASC schools have a 3-1 record against Maryville in post-season play.   (Maryville is 8-7 with one bye over that time, all Pool B bids.)  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 05, 2006, 01:05:01 PM
no manos yet (http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/05-06stats/pcm09.htm) - not saying you're wrong scottie, because my source hasn't confirmed anything that old_lion hasn't already confirmed, but he didn't play last night

looks like a tough loss for the lions - gordon couldn't miss from 3 - hopefully the lions rebound against averett and revert to the gordon form for one night against the monarchs on sunday :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 06, 2006, 01:00:54 PM
the scots have two big games this weekend and i believe they will dominate
they have that look in their eyes like they want it
Bobby Golden looks hungry
Andy Chaney's game looks siiiiiiccccckkkkkkk
The Jeremy Holidays are over and it is time to start the GSAC play so strap it on and it is time for this board to get heated up and unpleasant, so this is my last friendly post all future posts will contain trash talking b/c that is how i role
My prediction for the conference season is the scots will lose at fisk this year but that will be there only conference loss and fisks only conference loss will be to the scots at maryville so we may have tie for the regular season title and the tournament will be heavily contested.  I can't wait to see it go down.  I think the strength of the conference is way up this year and i am pumped.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2006, 10:22:31 PM
scottie - i have a feeling pete manos might get some time this weekend - no inside info (my pc source is tight-lipped until after the sunday game), but w/ back-to-back road games, if he's going to see the court for the lions, this weekend will be a prime chance for him
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 07, 2006, 07:56:10 AM
Quote from: narch on January 06, 2006, 10:22:31 PM
scottie - i have a feeling pete manos might get some time this weekend - no inside info (my pc source is tight-lipped until after the sunday game), but w/ back-to-back road games, if he's going to see the court for the lions, this weekend will be a prime chance for him

yes, yes indeed. i just talked to manos yesterday and he said he thinks he's going to get some PT this weekend! How much PT? Didnt tell me but it envision around 10 minutes, unless it turns out to be a blowout then it might be 15 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 07, 2006, 08:51:05 PM
scottie - manos got 8 mins w/ 4 to's in a 79-77 win @ averett for pc
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 08, 2006, 01:18:46 PM
Interesting article on this weekend's games.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/227083
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 08, 2006, 09:03:51 PM
pc finished off an outstanding road trip today with a convincing win over the monarchs - despite the lack of a true post player, the lions play hard, hustle and, unlike last year, play strong defense - coach glenn is really doing a great job with those guys and pc fans should be proud of the way that team is playing right now (i know you are, old_lion...it was good seeing you today :)) - winning at averett and at methodist on back-to-back days is about as good a weekend as you can hope for

scottie - manos looked a little lost and overmatched in his 7 minutes today...i think he's going to have to get more used to the pc system to make much of an impact for them
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 09, 2006, 02:09:16 AM
Quote from: narch on January 08, 2006, 09:03:51 PM
the lions play hard, hustle and, unlike last year, play strong defense - coach glenn is really doing a great job with those guys and pc fans should be proud of the way that team is playing right now - winning at averett and at methodist on back-to-back days is about as good a weekend as you can hope for

Well said, Narch ... I couldn't agree more. It was good to see you, as well. IMHO, the progress this team has made since last year is very impressive. If not for the car wreck (involving 7 Lions) two days before the Gordon game we could be riding a 4 game win streak right now.

Who knows how many we'll win the rest of the way ... but I'm confident we'll give a great TEAM effort every time out.

William, we only need two more wins to meet your expectations. I like our chances of proving you under estimated us.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 09, 2006, 07:33:09 AM
Old Lion, I did underestimate Piedmont. I am not afraid to admit it ;).

Wednesday is MURVUL  at home, and this game makes me nervous for several reasons.  The last two times MURVUL has played FISK in our gym something wierd happens (ie last second Raul 3 pt shot) and FISK loses in overtime.  Not once, but two years in a row!

MURVUL should have had their first regular season GSAC loss a while ago, so I am VERY hesitant to
predict a FISK victory like my friend Matt Grubb.

Also, why does MURVUL have to relatively tough time playing Huntingdon?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 09, 2006, 07:56:40 AM
Another interesting article on Maryville's game yesterday.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/227208
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 09, 2006, 09:35:14 AM
William, you are the information super highway.  Those were good articles.  Your Fisk Fighting Dr. Glovers are GOOOOD!  We had a poor transition Defense day and bad rebounding day and it cost us.  Wednesday's game against MC will be a DIII game that should be on TV somewhere.  So I guess my earlier question is answered about who is in the basement.  For the second straight year we start off 0-2 in the conference and play a hot Piedmont group on the Wednesday after opening weekend.  Last season was an exhausting OT game in Demorest that was (in the words of Coach Lee Glenn) a game that nobody should have had to lose.  The GSAC is small but it provides some pretty good entertainment. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 09, 2006, 11:14:54 AM
good job scots 2-0 to start Lambert must be not mad at these results
sorry he is just not a happy man this time of year
Wednesday Wednesday Wednesday
Oh it is going to be a thrilla
The mighty Bulldogs of the world renowned Fisk Univerysity with Famous Alum William Burton supporting them vs.  The Maryville College Fighting Scots who are loved by everyone who even remotely likes basketball with famous alum Spencer Beaty supporting them
Could be the greatest game ever played, even better if Fisk would fix their gym, could be some national and even international spotlight on this game for what the scots and bulldogs have accomplished so far this season.  I hear the fans in madagascar are going to be on the edge of their seats for the webcasts,  fans are coming from as far away as nolensville pike to see the game, it should be a barn burner in Cashville, i would be there but i currently have a job and can't make it
Let's go scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 09, 2006, 03:53:39 PM
Games like the one between FISK  and MURVUL  on Wednesday is what College Basketball is all about.  You gotta love it!

Where's Dick Vitale when you need him?

And just think what a kinda year for the GSAC it would have been if LaGrange had in fact upset Albion? GSAC ->  the toughest 5 team conference in the nation. Well we are getting there...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: wilburt on January 09, 2006, 03:53:39 PM
Games like the one between FISK  and MURVUL  on Wednesday is what College Basketball is all about.  You gotta love it!

Where's Dick Vitale when you need him?

And just think what a kinda year for the GSAC it would have been if LaGrange had in fact upset Albion? GSAC ->  the toughest 5 team conference in the nation. Well we are getting there...

Gotta love the Dick Vitale hyperbole, baby!  ;)

The GSAC is the only 5-team D3 conference in the nation! :)  Go FISK!  Beat MURVUL!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 09, 2006, 04:31:05 PM
AH come on ralph, you know underneath it all you have love for the fighting scots, they are the perennial underdog in D3 when it comes to playing big games in the national tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 09, 2006, 11:24:07 PM
Not to brag or anything but I did have a big shot at Fisk my junior year and then again my senior year.They never had an answer for me or my team.20-0 in the Conference.. haha.... BIg players step up in big games and thats what I expect from the Big 3 Golden, Calloway, and the new general Mr.Mason... The game will feature a lot of athleticism and a lot of system. Which one will prevail for the win? A question for the Posts members..
  I believe system will prevail like it always has.. Coach Lambert and Coach Beaty always do a great job in preparing the troops for the big games...
  Just a quick reminder UNDEFEATED IN THE REGULAR SEASON SINCE THE START OF THE CONFERENCE!!! Only 1 lose period.. So that means LaGrange, The Hawks, and Piedmont have goose eggs...
  I believe LaGrange is the third best team in the Conference but lack a true point guard.. Best of luck to the rest of the teams this week..
  But I am a Scot to the end so I will be present at the game cheering on my boys...
   Prediction Da Ville by 7pts... And the STREAK CONTINUES...
A lot of pressure for the MC Boys but I got faith in my boys..
  Coach Lambert's record in the conference 1000000000000-1...jk
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 11:46:43 PM
 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

Yeah, Matt, I know what you mean!  We play South Region opponents and then get shipped to Calvin or Wooster or Witt or some forsaken place in the Great Lakes region for the Sectionals!  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 10, 2006, 08:53:43 AM
GSAC Killer said:

"The game will feature a lot of athleticism and a lot of system. Which one will prevail for the win? A question for the Posts members.. "

I submit to you that the game will feature two great systems.  Which one will prevail for the win?  FISK's Dr. Glover is a defensive minded coach along the lines of Georgetown's John Thompson and Arkansas' Nolan Richardson (remember 40 minutes of hell?).  That's the system FISK runs.  Defense creates offense. 

From what I gather Mr. Lambert has coached his team to run a motion offense to virtual perfection.  It is between these two respective "systems" as to which one will prevail.   IMHO, athleticism vs. system is too simplistic a characterization for these two coaching philosophies and for Wednesday's barnstormer game in Nashville.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: powerhour on January 10, 2006, 09:34:40 AM
What is all this foolishness the real game start at 6:00 when the women play...just kidding I will be in the gym Wednesday night for this classic I can't wait...this is what D3 basketball is all about...I hope the Fisk crowd is large and the music loud...I think the atmosphere could rattle the Scots if they get behind early.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 10, 2006, 11:03:19 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 09, 2006, 11:24:07 PM
  I believe LaGrange is the third best team in the Conference but lack a true point guard..

Interesting assessment, Killer ... Isn't a true point guard one of the essential elements of a good team. BTW, I think Baize is a pretty good PG. He fits the mold of the entire LaGrange team ... a tough, gritty over achiever.

Considering their record relative to the other GSAC schools, I am curious as to your basis for that assessment ...

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=LaGrange&team=m&year=2006

But, regardless of their record, LaGrange always concerns me. No team consistently plays harder ... when their 3s are falling, they can beat anyone.

Coach Haynes, I noticed on your roster (at the end of the stats section) that both Hodges and Williams are listed as inactive. What happened to them?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: powerhour on January 10, 2006, 12:55:25 PM
Fisk played two tough games this weekend and plays an athletic Rust team tonight.  If I am correct that is 4 games in 5 days when M-ville hits Nashville.  Will legs be a factor late in the game.  Is that direspect to M-ville or just poor scheduling.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 10, 2006, 02:30:35 PM
I think i speak for the fisk guys when i say it is not disrespect, sometimes that is just how the ball bounces, b/c i know how bad maryville wants this game so i can only imagine how bad fisk wants this game

Go SCOTS Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: powerhour on January 10, 2006, 02:33:59 PM
Ok Grubb perhaps no disrespect, but will legs be a factor in this scenario
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 10, 2006, 02:56:45 PM
No disrespect, cause it really doesn't matter. 

In 2003, FISK won the GSAC tourney playing 3 games in 3 days, defeating MURVUL on the second day.  MURVUL got a first round bye and had "fresh" legs for that game and still lost to FISK  :D.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 10, 2006, 03:19:04 PM
Check this out. Some of this is hilarious...

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/227274
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 10, 2006, 04:02:45 PM
William:  I think you are right to say that there are two systems coached and played by MC and Fisk, but the system MC uses can be played more effectively by players who are less quick and big than can the other one.   

I was away from computers for quite a while and did not get to say waytogo to Fisk's clocking Randy-Mac.  I am very much in favor of Fisk beating everybody they play other than Maryville.  I say that not to preference Fisk over the rest of the GSAC but to support elevating the conference regionally and nationally.

I am really uneasy about Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 10, 2006, 04:58:32 PM
what a weird rivalry where two schools compete against each other like rabid dogs, but then cheer for the other team when they are playing anybody else, sounds like the crazy stuff that can happen only in the GSAC

Got Lambert?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 10, 2006, 06:14:35 PM
The scots are getting it back together after there few losses.  I think the team isnt in top form but they are recovering.  The team seems to be getting over their injuries and illnesses.  This is a gurantee that the GSAC winning streak continues and also this is the year that MC beats Carson Newman.  Im looking forward too it after a conversation with randy lambert and monte calloway.  I can feel their spirits rising
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 10, 2006, 06:21:29 PM
I have two comments for Old Lion and Wilburt...
 Wilburt first and foremost Fisk does not resemble none of the things the Nolan Richardson and Coach Thompson's team had. Although I believe Coach Glover is a great person and a good coach I do not think your comparison is valid.. Fisk pressure although good at times can be very sloppy and has no type of system.. The 40 minutes of hell by Nolan and the man to man by Georgetown all in one way or another follow some type of system..
Old Lion I apologize for my statement on Lagrange being the #3 team in the GSAC because I have not see this years Piedmont team..I know you guys return a lot of your main guys from last year's team but I do not know if they take a pride on the defensive end like they do on offense.. Will see the results tomorrow...
  I rarely comment on these things but tomorrow is the biggest game of the year for both the Scots and the Bulldogs.. It would be nice to see a nice turnout..
  I wont guarantee a win because of the fact that I am not playing and any team can win on any single night but I do know it will be a close one and the team who gets to the line more and has less turnovers will win the game...
  Go Scots!!!
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: powerhour on January 11, 2006, 08:24:44 AM
Easy Killer there seems to be a lot of pride in your soul.  I am sure a man of your passion will be at the game tonight.  I will be listening on the radio so I guess I am in there in spirit.  Murvul Nation will come out in numbers at Fisk, but there will be a homecourt advantage  for Fisk.  Mental toughness, poise and preperation will prevail and who knows which team will have that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 11, 2006, 09:15:55 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 10, 2006, 06:21:29 PM
Old Lion I apologize for my statement on Lagrange being the #3 team in the GSAC because I have not see this years Piedmont team..I know you guys return a lot of your main guys from last year's team but I do not know if they take a pride on the defensive end like they do on offense.. Will see the results tomorrow...     

No apologies necessary, Killer ... you are welcome to your opinion. I was just curious as to your reasons ...

Our defense is much improved over last year ... but, LaGrange is a tough place to play. I'm expecting a very competitive game tonight. Hopefully, we can come out with a win.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 11, 2006, 11:06:01 AM
Matt:  It's not so much pulling for Fisk when they play anybody but Murvul.  I would do the same for any other GSAC team that had a shot at helping raise the reputation of GSAC b-ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 11, 2006, 11:12:53 AM
keep it up killer, i am a scot who has won and lost at fisk, i have beaten fisk by 1 point and 50 points, this is turning into a good rivalry, i think tonights game will be awesome
come on bobby golden
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 11, 2006, 11:56:25 AM
Tonight should be a great night in the GSAC, especially in LaGrange.  First home conference game for the men against just as good a rivalry as MC-FU.  Piedmont is the most played opponent in our history with the first contest happening in 1957.  Tonight is #102(LC 70-PC 31) and if it is anything like our last few it is a race to 100.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: powerhour on January 11, 2006, 12:48:03 PM
I would have never guessed the rivalary being a bit one sided.  The men's side of the GSAC has great action every night.  I would think on any given night any one could win it.  Whether it is MC and FU or PC and LC it is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 02:56:20 PM
GSAC Baseball Message Board is up and running! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 12, 2006, 12:18:54 AM
Quote from: wilburt on January 10, 2006, 02:56:45 PM
No disrespect, cause it really doesn't matter. 

In 2003, FISK won the GSAC tourney playing 3 games in 3 days, defeating MURVUL on the second day.  MURVUL got a first round bye and had "fresh" legs for that game and still lost to FISK  :D.




Yes sir, and that is the only time Fisk has beat Maryville in the last 7 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 12, 2006, 06:47:44 AM
Quote from: wilburt on January 09, 2006, 07:33:09 AM
Wednesday is MURVUL  at home, and this game makes me nervous for several reasons.  The last two times MURVUL has played FISK in our gym something wierd happens (ie last second Raul 3 pt shot) and FISK loses in overtime.  Not once, but two years in a row!

MURVUL should have had their first regular season GSAC loss a while ago, so I am VERY hesitant to
predict a FISK victory like my friend Matt Grubb.


Turns out I was correct after all...  Now it is 3 years in row!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 12, 2006, 07:08:37 AM
Sounds like these 2 teams don't like each other too much. Check out the article.   

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/227418

Should I be afraid to go to Maryville for the next game?

Looks like the referees could have done a better job handling the game...

Oh yeah said:

"Yes sir, and that is the only time Fisk has beat Maryville in the last 7 years."

Not true my friend, FISK also beat Maryville in 2000.  That was pre-GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2006, 09:53:09 AM
yes fisk beat maryville at fisk in 00
sounds like it was a great game last night and lived up to all of the hype
Andy Chaney could be the greatest player in D3 or alive for that matter when i hear Andy Chaney's name it makes me forget things like LeBron who?  that's how good he is
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcscotsalumni85 on January 12, 2006, 10:23:56 AM
It's been awhile since my last post.  Here are my thoughts.  I watched MC beat Huntingdon and they looked pretty good.  I listened to the game last night and I believe Fisk is definitely an unruly crowd, but that's basketball.  I know MC lost to Averett, who is average at best; however, Translvania is pretty good.  Fisk beat #14 Randolph Macon at RM which if Fisk didn't have several losses should be ranked, but MC just beat Fisk at Fisk.  I believe now MC could win the rest of their games.  This could be MC's best season ever.  I think MC when fully operating on all their pistons can beat anyone, because they are so well coached.  Go Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 12, 2006, 11:21:36 AM
All I say is this.  It is tough for any team to win when your leader and All-Conference PG is sent off to the hospital just before the OT period begins.  That must have been some collision!

Nonetheless, hats off to Maryville they won fair and square.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 12, 2006, 11:35:44 AM
MCScotsalumni85:   Actually Averett is 10 - 4 and seems to have turned the corner. Their Coach, Jimmy Allen, was a really good player at Emory and Henry and has his team playing way better than predicted....

Listening to the game last night confirmed for me that Randy Lambert is a wonderful coach.  He got the team (playing the second half essentially without Golden) to stay with their system and just play better and harder.  Many teams would have gotten blown out of the gym (especially that gym) after that first half.

Willaim:  You will be safe at Maryville (although perhaps not happy with the game).  It would be nice to meet you if you come over.   I hope Chris Adams is ok.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 12, 2006, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: wilburt on November 11, 2005, 07:41:25 AM
My 2005-06 GSAC regular season predictions


                     CONF    OVERALL
FISK                (7-1)    (19-6)
Maryville         (6-2)    (17-8)
Huntingdon    (4-4)    (17-8)
LaGrange       (3-5)    (13-12)
Piedmont        (0-8)    (9-16)

William Burton, the prognosticator

Wow William, what a relief ... we are now (1-0)  (8-4). At least the "0 and 8 in the conference" part of your curse is dead.

It was a war in LaGrange last night. We had one of our seniors, David Adcock, miss all but 3 minutes of the game with a mild concussion. Hopefully, he'll be back for Murval on Saturday.

I have to tip my hat to Coach Haynes' guys ... no one competes harder night in and night out. And Kudos to Coach Glenn and our staff ... somehow they've been able to get our guys to ratchet up their intensity this year. IMHO, that has been a major factor in our improvement.

But Coach Haynes, can we talk? You have to do something about the crew you have sitting at the table. I've seen better work at rec league games. Find someone who can remember to start the clock. And get your stat guy a copy of the NCAA Stats Manual ... it's available online. Seriously, your team plays with too much heart and pride to be embarrassed by such incompetence at the scorer's table.

And finally William, tough luck re losing Adams going into OT last night. Hopefully, he's OK ... have you heard any reports on his condition yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 12, 2006, 12:00:24 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 12, 2006, 11:35:44 AM
MCScotsalumni85:   Actually Averett is 10 - 4 and seems to have turned the corner.

Re Averett ... I agree, Doug. I've seen them play twice this year ... vs. Piedmont and vs. Oglethorpe. I would certainly rate them above average.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2006, 12:16:01 PM
Well i have to change my prediction as well
Now i am thinking Monte will be GSAC POY and good thing, MC's senior always deserves it, but i must add an award and make sure everyone recognizes it as a legite award
Andy Chaney Godfather of the GSAC, he is 32 years old and runs the show
I think he has more gsac experience than lambert
I hope adams is ok, it sounds like it was an awesome game, but the scots have to start playing in the first half, than cannot compete at the national level by only playing half of a game, this is a bad sign for the scots
Keep it up godfather
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 12, 2006, 01:15:08 PM
I am going start off by saying I am the next Nostradamus... I predicted a Maryville win and by in fact 7 points (was that the final margin?), The team who would get to the line more( 52 attempts by MC to 19 of Fisk), and lastly less turnovers MC did that, would end up winning the game, DID IT HAPPEN? Well enough about me and now about the Scots and the game..
  I truly enjoyed last nights game.. As a player you sometimes miss out on all that goes on and let me tell you last nights participation by both crowds is what basketball is all about.School Pride!!..
  About the game Fisk jumped out real fast on MC but as the phrase says basketball is a full 40 minutes not just 20.. The SYSTEM ran by the Scots was the difference in the game.Did you read that Wilburt?? SYSTEM... They got back in the game with the Outstanding play of Bradley Blair and the gutsy effort of their leader and POY Monte Calloway..
I could write a book on the game but I think I would rub it in too much, but is a little bit of it . THE STREAK CONTINUES!! 43-0 in the regular season for Mr.Randy Lambert and his staff.. Three straight overtime games at Fisk and who comes out the winner, The SCOTS!!! Can you ask yourself why , COACHING and (SYSTEM).. We are by far one of the best programs in the country year in and year out (DID YOU HEAR THAT PAT COLEMAN)... DO your research and I cant wait for your response because I can't wait for your excuses on why were not...
  Can someone give Spencer Beaty a job because obviously him and Lambert are an unbeatable tandem.. Spencer your the best Assistant in the country...
   I hope all the haters will be quiet for awhile beacuse if Fisk cant beat us with 6 or 7 seniors that they have at HOME when will they beat us!!!!!!!( I am quoting someone but I wont reveal them)
  I am so honored that I am able to say I am a Fighting Scot!! 20-0 in the Conference when I played... 45-13 record and may I add a Sweet 16 apperance, 2 NCAA Tournament births and 2 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! WOW!!! I LOVE BEING A FIGHTING SCOT.... Before I forget mad props to the new guy on the Scots bench and his tutelage to the post players MR. Kendall Wallace a.k.a. REX.................

p.s. My prayers go out to Chris Adams and his family.. I hope all is well.. He is a terrific kid and a good basketball player... Hopefully someone can keep us updated on his status..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 12, 2006, 01:21:01 PM
I was waiting for someone from Maryville to Gloat and the GSAC Killer has not disappointed me.

Very classy...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2006, 01:39:29 PM
gloating iswhat us fat old alums do, we have the right to, we have earned, I think i had a record of 84 and 23 as a scot, 3 tourney, 1 conf. title, 1 sweet sixteen, and a 50 point beating of fisk,

when we get old and fat gloating is all we have left, please don't take our glory days away from us.

Anyway the rematch and probable third game of the season should be amazing so scots keep it up, there is nothing more embarassing than an early exit in the conf. tourney. 
Pat will realize we are good some time around mid march like he always does, he likes underdogs so that is why he keeps us where we are at.

I think if all our fans come out and we can get our attendance way up then that will bring him out to the mountains to see "the real fighting scots" play.

GO SCOTS BABY
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 12, 2006, 03:18:24 PM
Yeah ok gloaters and fellow Scots fans.  When this team decides to play both halves all the time it will not lose to Transylvania and Averett and Pat will have no choice...and he did even mention the game last night in the recap on the home page without either team in the Top 25.

William:  I think Chris missed only the last couple of minutes of the OT....

It sounded on the radio like Bradley Blair and Greg Martin really stepped up with Bobby on the bench.  That could be really important going forward, especially remembering the Mississippi College game last year when the wore us out inside.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 13, 2006, 12:35:58 PM
imagine that rowdy fans at a gsac game
I heard fisk still has the huge speakers, I love it, things like that make it so much sweeter to win there.  I bet that fan was not happy when they found out there bulldogs lost and they got kicked out, awesome
I will give credit to the Cooper Crazies heckle with class
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 13, 2006, 02:46:17 PM
if calvin and hope can be on TV then so can mc and fisk, not really i played a game at calvin and it was disgusting, the place was packed, you could hardly get to the locker rooms without getting through the crowd,
One of my buddies told me 2 weeks ago about that stuff, he said his final two choices for college were Hope or UMICH and he was a linebacker, obviously he picked UMICH, but for Hope to be 2nd, i don't think many people are going to debate between MC and UT but the local cable network in knoxville Charter should show the game, they don't have anything better, i mean they do a great job but this is a big deal to a lot of crazed MC fans, so if anyone has any connections make it hot
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 13, 2006, 04:27:50 PM
Scots on TV, against Fisk. Very good concept. However, Bobby Golden would be ineligible to play as he is under contract for TV appearances under the name "The Bobinator." Maybe we could even have a hot dog eating contest at halftime. The possibilites are limitless. But back to this weekend, all Scots posters are invited to attend the game and be ready for the appearance of MC's newest male cheerleader. After repeated attempts to get female cheerleader to sing National Anthem, a new male cheerleader has been appointed to shock yo mama with his stirring rendition of the stars and stripes. Be ready to stand, take off your hat, put up your pocket knife, and put your hand over your heart as Josh Groban, thats right, Josh Groban, sings the "land of the free, and the home of the Scots." God Bless America, our soldiers, and all Scots fans carrying swords and wearing kilts to Saturdays's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 13, 2006, 04:51:30 PM
Uh, Big Dog, you do realize Saturday is a road game for the Scots? You might want to put your skirt back in the closet.

But what the heck, we don't care ... we are open minded in Demorest ... slip on your skirt and come on down.

We promise to do our best to at least make it interesting for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 13, 2006, 05:15:12 PM
I just wanted to say that Wednesday's game at Fisk reminded me of the time the Scots chipped away at the 20 pt halftime lead at Fisk and came away victorious in '00.

That was also the time of the notorious headbutt by Brent Watts.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 13, 2006, 06:57:14 PM
Old Lion, should I shave my (a)face (b) sideburns (c) legs or (d) back for the road trip? And in defense of Master Brent Watts, if he head butted someone they deserved it. Watts was rawboned stones for the Scots. He won more games with his breaking from the offense than any player in Scots History (see Rose Hulman NCAA tourney win, or Hampden Sydney for that matter). Come to think of it, under the Lambert legacy, drop the name of any ODAC school and they have tasted of the opened can of ScotSpank at one time or another. Just think what would have been if Martha Hess and  Dr. G had let Shiela Evans return for J term at the start of the millenium. Well, gotta go get my can of wax opened for the roadtrip. Go Scots and Go Old Lion for not having me show up at the gym tomorrow to see a cheerleading or karate competition. GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 13, 2006, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Big Dog on January 13, 2006, 06:57:14 PM
Old Lion, should I shave my (a)face (b) sideburns (c) legs or (d) back for the road trip?

I don't know, Big Dog. I'm not really up on kilt etiquette ... Just shave whatever and come on down.

All we ask is that if you plan on junping up and down and cheering for your Scots ... don't forget your under armor ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 13, 2006, 09:42:23 PM
man i was listening to the fisk maryville game on the radio and it definitley seemed like a tale of two halves.  i could tell that neither team was playing their best ball with bobby really sucky in gravy and adams getting hurt.  how is he by the way wilburt.  but im not sure how murvul pulled it out.  down by 15 and end up winning i think that Andy Chaney had a definite role in the victory
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 14, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
GSAC Killer (aka Raul) said:

"I hope all the haters will be quiet for awhile beacuse [sic] if Fisk cant beat us with 6 or 7 seniors that they have at HOME when will they beat us!!!!!!!( I am quoting someone but I wont [sic] reveal them)"

Come on Raul, why can't you admit that Coach Lambert said that?

As an aside, I have not seen such a number of venomous posts against a team by those from East Tennessee since Cazzie Russell's SCAD team beat Maryville twice in one season. The undercurrent of animosity is palpable.  I have my suspicions as to why, but I dare not say them yet.

Chris Adams may be out for the rest of the season, so I hear.

Will be back to post in February...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 14, 2006, 01:26:40 PM
William:   Actually I think the posts from E. TN about the MC-Fisk gave have been rather devoid of "venom."  To which posts do you refer?   Gloating, yes, but venom?

In the case of SCAD, many people thought that SCAD's adherence to the regs of DIII was less than solid, which turned out to be true. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 14, 2006, 04:47:22 PM
GSAC Killer,  Yeah man!  When can i get a head job, jk, but seriously i changed josh herdon into the superstar sensation he was.  I have invented a giant rolling pin that is going to enable bobby to drop 400 pound and get down to only 230.  i think i desereve some cred and i was a darn good player when i went to Murvul myslef.  I do have to thank David Large for never giving up on me and also putting all my bball camp teams out of the tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 14, 2006, 04:48:03 PM
i definitley have the worst karma ever i think budha is going to bite me
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 14, 2006, 10:04:28 PM
i would like to take this moment to congratulate and give some dapps to bradely blair.  He played probably his best game against fisk and played defense.  this is so shocking because most of the time bradley has a tough time "D"ing up in the clutch.  I witnessed a big time chewing by coach lambert earlier in the year which might have sparked him into playing some quality D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 15, 2006, 05:58:48 PM
Mr.Wilburt: My posts are venemous?? I am just having a little bit of fun, is that not what this is all about.. There is no reason to get all emotional about it and state that you have suspicions? Suspicions of what? If you are not able to realize that Maryville runs the table year in and year out then your blind.. Every year before the start of the season people question Coach Lambert's team because of losing seniors or the rising of some team in the Conference but in the end its the same results: Maryville in the NCAA Tournament..
  P.S.  Wilburt no need to leave for so long..
By the way I met Old Lion at the game and it was a pleasure to meet you.. It was also real nice to hear how you enjoyed watching me play.  Best of luck the rest of the way!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 16, 2006, 05:03:04 PM
Killer, it was nice to meet you as well. I'm starting to recover from the disappointment of Saturday's game enough that I can at least talk about it.

We are much improved this year and I thought we were ready to run with the big dogs ... but apparently we still have some work to do.

Kudos to Maryville. They are an extremely well coached team. We are well coached too, but with Maryville you can just see the ingrained effect of years of running their system. IMHO, I thought Lambert did a great job of getting his "big three" major minutes while running a bunch of other guys in and out. The result was to always have a potent mix on the floor while keeping everyone fresh and keeping the intensity level high.

William, please keep us posted on Chris Adams. My wife and I both had the opportunity to speak with him in Nashville last year. Seems like a good guy and he is a great competitor. Here's wishing him a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2006, 11:41:27 AM
ya'll need to get off my scots
It is tough being a maryville, it is content when we win and anger when we lose, we hardly ever have excitement from victory b/c we are so used to it
but we are not like big time programs where we get mad at our coach for petty stuff, We love the guy with the big head, he is our leader
The scots are getting to where they rival Hampden Syd. just need a couple of games deeper in the tourney, next to platteville we ruined their best chance to win a title and ever since then things have been going great.  We were one shot away from an Elite eight in 04, and our games are usually competitive, not many blow outs in the tourney and they do usually ship us up north.  Can't wait for march
Where is Shelia Evans?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2006, 12:00:35 PM
Maryville

4-0

14-2

Fisk

2-1

11-5

Piedmont

1-1

9-5

Huntingdon

0-2

8-7

LaGrange

0-3

6-11

Wear it on your faces
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 17, 2006, 06:58:11 PM
Dont be so quick to talk murvul fans.  We do have fisk coming to our building and since the retiring of hamburgular boydson hasnt been its old self.  We also have methodist oglethorpe and who could forget the big CN coming to town
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 17, 2006, 07:00:47 PM
im not sure if bobby was limited in the cafeteria or kicked out of golden corral but he wasnt himself in the fisk game.  He didnt have his normal "im fat can u stop me" vibe going on.  And as a fellow food lover i know how it feels when the gravy doesnt quite go down right.  Hang in there bob and drink a gallon of milk for me
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 18, 2006, 09:19:25 AM
Bobby is not fat, he is just a little thick
I heard it was indigestion, Chaney told me he tried to eat a midget and got most of it down
I can't wait for the big CN game i think this is our year we should have the advantage on the inside
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 18, 2006, 07:19:27 PM
Shiela Evans was injured in an accident with a male cheerleader. I don't know the extent of her injury but alledgedly she did suffer a strain of the medial collateral ligament adjoining the tendons in her left knee that support the brickhouse that is Shiela Evans. Reports that Joe Black and the Therapy Center are trying to get her ready for the postseason seem to be unfounded. But back to hoops, while touring the MC campus today with a visitor with knowledge of many of the prestigious D3 Schools of Ohio (Wooster, Wittenberg, John Carroll etc.) said visitor was impressed with the college and its facilities. Not surprising at some point after repeated upgrades to the campus if Maryville is not invited back to the ODAC, or forms a Southern League with like schools of academic interest and ability (Sewanee, Rhodes, Transy,Oglethorpe) as rumors to that effect are somewhat rampant these days. GO SCOTS! Go Shiela! And Go up up up Under Armour stock!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2006, 02:34:04 AM
Rough night in Montgomery tonight ... the only thing worse than Huntingdon's stat guy was Piedmonts shooting.

We were 17 of 64 from the field tonight ... 27% ... unbelievable! If we had only shot poorly (as opposed to atrociously) ... we would have won easily. We lost by 4. We played hard and staged a valiant comeback (we were down 19 at one point) ... but if you shoot that poorly, I guess you just have to forget about it and move on. But that one hurts ... it was one we coulda/ shouda won ... Oh well, no one died ...

But I'm sure you are all wondering about Huntingdon's stat guy ... I thought the guy at LaGrange was bad ... this clown tonight had us for 1 assist and 19 turnovers ... please!!! We had to have at least 8 or 9 assists on the 17 buckets we did make ... If you just don't give a s**t, that's fine ... just get the heck out of the way and put a chimp or some other mildly intelligent life form at the controls and see what it can do ... it would have to be an improvement ...

But a final word of encouragement for our Piedmont guys ... I guess we can take some solace from the fact that we hung tough ... that in spite of shooting like we did, we didn't quit and amazingly, actually had a shot at winning there at the end. Tomorrow will be a better day ... it will have to be ...

See ya, I think I'll go toss and turn for a while ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2006, 09:16:04 AM
On the SCAC board earlier this week, mattgrubb opined:

Quote from: mattgrubb on January 17, 2006, 03:46:02 PM
Maryville is set to continue its domination of the SCAC, sewanee is the scots next victim, should be  a blowout, can't wait to see the results, get ready SCAC maybe you will send your conference champ to maryville again this year to get run in the NCAA tourney

Sewanee 75, Maryville 73.   Sewanee (the last place team in the SCAC, playing without two injured starters) improved their record to 5-10. 

Stop by again any time, Matt. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2006, 09:27:07 AM
what a joke
the scots are young this year, but that is pathetic
I bet practice is going to be fun today
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 19, 2006, 10:26:07 AM
O.K. OldLion I am going to appologize for this before I even begin, but enough is enough.  Leave my stat and clock and anybody else associated with LaGrange alone and Kiss It.  I ignored the first post you made about our clock person and that you saw better at rec league games and now you want to throw our stat guy in the mud over being upset at playing bad on the road in conference.  In case you didn't notice Huntingdon is pretty good, especially at home and especially defensively at home.  I saw Piedmont miss some open jump shots(that they hit at LaGrange) but most shots were contested by Huntingdon's huge or at least long armed line up.  Good Luck with Fisk. 

Maryville loses at U of the South.  Initially I am surprised but that is a tough place to play.  We have only played there twice and both times it was the day classes got out for Thanksgiving so I never got a true feel for the atmosphere.  It looks like they were able, like we were, to force turnovers out of Maryville but they were able to finish the game, unlike us.  The Garcia kid may be the best 2nd half player I have ever seen. 

We are off to Rust for the weekend to see if we can put something together down here.

Hey, I hope everyone had a good MLK Day and took a moment to reflect that no matter who you are and where your from, someone came before you and possibly opened up opportunities that might not have been there without someone ordinary doing great things like King.  It doesn't matter what color you are in order to do great things that will affect all people.  College athletes are living King's dream.  It doesn't matter your color if you can play; you can play!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 19, 2006, 10:36:34 AM
Lagrange's stat and clock guys are terrible.  But nobody will ever compare to Fisk's announcer.  Long live the days of the "crossed up", "in your face", and "broken ankles" coming over the PA system. 

William, where is that guy at now?

Also, Coach Haynes, why dont you guys hire the kid that played a couple years back that looked like Wally Cleaver.  That kid was awesome and I bet he would do an excellent job.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2006, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on January 19, 2006, 10:26:07 AM
O.K. OldLion I am going to appologize for this before I even begin, but enough is enough.  Leave my stat and clock and anybody else associated with LaGrange alone and Kiss It.  I ignored the first post you made about our clock person  

No apology necessary, I would expect you to defend your people publicly ... but privately, I sincerely hope you are taking steps to improve the situation, because your people are incompetent ... and the Huntingdon stat guy is just as bad. In the words of Dr King, "The truth will set you free." And LC and HC should both "set free" those incompetents at their tables ... so they can go pursue  more appropriate careers in the fast food or hospitality industries.

and that you saw better at rec league games and now you want to throw our stat guy in the mud over being upset at playing bad on the road in conference. 

Sorry, but those facts aren't related. (1) We shot poorly and (2) you and Huntingdon have incompetent people. Both facts are extremely irritating ... but, they are not related. Interesting enough, I heard about how bad Huntingdon's stat guy was BEFORE the game, from a Huntingdon friend of mine. He wasn't lying!

In case you didn't notice Huntingdon is pretty good, especially at home and especially defensively at home.  I saw Piedmont miss some open jump shots(that they hit at LaGrange) but most shots were contested by Huntingdon's huge or at least long armed line up. 

Good point. I'm not taking anything away from HC's defensive effort. They do play pretty good defense ... like the rest of the GSAC. Fact is, our shots just weren't falling. It happens sometimes. Kudos to HC ... they got one in the W column, even if it was ugly.  

Good Luck with Fisk. 

Thanks, we are going to need it. Has anyone heard from Chris Adams? Is he OK?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 19, 2006, 01:53:47 PM
Oh yeah, the guy I think you refer to just got a job teaching in the oak ridge school system and was a good player for us especially in his last game at Maryville in the conference tournament. 

I don't feel our people are incompetent.  The only clock problem I was aware of in the Piedmont game was that is was supposed to be 5.4 seconds and it was on 5.0.  Not even Brent Watts could get a shot off in .4 seconds.  Our stats are just fine with me except we don't win enough games which I am quite sure has nothing to do with the people keeping stats. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2006, 03:52:49 PM
let's leave stat guys alone and start worrying about players stats and ask piedmont about Jeff McCord getting a 75 foot shot off in about .4 seconds
Bo mason's stats were not hot last night, they better pick up, granted he is a sophomore as some sissy's would say, but he is a starter and a go to guy, so if you are going to get the glory you have to be able to take the heat, consistency is what counts, and he will be back and i bet with a bang.  make it hot
and Brent Watts could probably get off two or three shots in .4 seconds
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 19, 2006, 03:52:49 PM
...and Brent Watts could probably get off two or three shots in .4 seconds...

It looks like we need to re-convene the Warren Commission to confirm that theory.  ;)


Or, we could just develop a cottage industry maintaining that it was a Coach Lambert conspiracy!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on January 19, 2006, 11:09:42 PM
OLD LION - the problem with Piedmont is you guys think that you don't have any problems in Demorest.  For the record, at least the other coaches in the GSAC know how to press the 'record' button on the vcr when - by GSAC policy - coaches must send out game film to other schools if requested.  Piedmont sent out a film to another GSAC member school and the tape was BLANK, but of couse everything in Piedmont is perfect.  It sounds to me like you were trying to hide something.  Pretty unethical if you ask me.  Send a real game film and get scouted so hard you know you can't win, OR send a blank one and give yourself a chance.  Also, if you take a peek at the current NCAA D3 national stats you will notice that Huntingdon... is 2nd in D3 in FG% Defense.  They are holding their opponents to 35.5 % fg % on average.  Of course last night Piedmont only shot 26.6%, and it was due to poor shooting.  Get with the program Old Lion and give some credit the Hawks because they locked you down.  Had the Hawks not missed 16 FT's it would have been a 'blowout.  Do yourself a favor and stop knocking the stat people at other schools and try to get your staff to take care of their own business "in-house" before trying to throw darts at other programs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2006, 08:55:18 AM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on January 19, 2006, 11:09:42 PM
Get with the program Old Lion and give some credit the Hawks because they locked you down.  Had the Hawks not missed 16 FT's it would have been a 'blowout. 

Yes, HC's defense certainly was a factor. Please try to pay attention. As I already said ...

"Good point. I'm not taking anything away from HC's defensive effort. They do play pretty good defense ... like the rest of the GSAC. Fact is, our shots just weren't falling. It happens sometimes. Kudos to HC ... they got one in the W column, even if it was ugly."

HC did miss a lot of FTs and I'm pretty sure our defense wasn't a factor. Hmmm ... could it be that sometimes you just have an off night? Maybe that was one of those games that neither team deserved to win ... but HC got the ugly win ... I'd have taken it ... that's a heck of a lot better than an ugly loss.

These facts remain ...

1) We had our worst shooting night of the season. Sometimes you just have an off night. HC's defense unquestionably was a factor.

2) Some stat people appear to feel they are doing their job if they can maintain enough concentration to get the points to add up ... all that other stuff (rebounds, assists, steals, etc) is just something they give a half-a$$ed effort to. For the record, we do have a very good stat guy at Piedmont.

Griffcoach, regarding blank tapes ... don't know anything about that. I can't help wondering about your knowledge of the situation. I can't find "Griff" on the list of GSAC schools.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 20, 2006, 08:58:14 AM
ralph
there are so many Coach Lambert conspiracies, we would need about 10 warren commissions to sort these things out ;D
Let's get off stat guys and talk about players
Monte Calloway has to be in the front running for conference player of the year, the senior for the scots has really stepped up this year, and i mean big, if the scots finish out the conference schedule the way they should he should be the hands down favorite in my opinion, whenever i read the game summaries, he is always making plays at the end of the game
Any of you other gsac fans have any arguments for your players?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on January 20, 2006, 09:49:12 AM


2) Some stat people appear to feel they are doing their job if they can maintain enough concentration to get the points to add up ... all that other stuff (rebounds, assists, steals, etc) is just something they give a half-a$$ed effort to. For the record, we do have a very good stat guy at Piedmont.

Griffcoach, regarding blank tapes ... don't know anything about that. I can't help wondering about your knowledge of the situation. I can't find "Griff" on the list of GSAC schools.



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Regarding blank tapes, why don't you find out the real information if you are so close to the Piedmont program.  With the comments that you make on here, you should know these things.  It is just an unethical situation.  Find out about it!  As for not being able to find "Griff" on the list of GSAC schools, well, that is about the most profound thing that I have ever read on a message board.  It took a lot of thought for you to come up with that one I suppose! 

Are you implying that the stat people at Huntingdon give a half-a$$ed effort regarding stats other than scoring?  If so, you need to get a life.  Your loss to Huntingdon had nothing to do with the stat people.  Your "worst shooting night of the season" had nothing to do with anything except Huntingdon locking you down and not giving you good looks.  Defense can cause bad shooting nights!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2006, 10:27:10 AM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on January 20, 2006, 09:49:12 AM



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Regarding blank tapes, why don't you find out the real information if you are so close to the Piedmont program.  With the comments that you make on here, you should know these things.  It is just an unethical situation.  Find out about it! 

Yawn ... sorry, Griff ... I'm just not very interested ...  

Are you implying that the stat people at Huntingdon give a half-a$$ed effort regarding stats other than scoring? 

You are sharp Griff ... I can't slide anything by you. I'm not "implying" anything. I stated very clearly that both HC and LC had incompetent stat people whose talents would be better suited to the fast food or hospitality industries. As in "Would you like fries with that?"

Your loss to Huntingdon had nothing to do with the stat people. 

Of course it didn't. Please read more carefully, this is frustrating. It has been stated very clearly that there are two separate issues being discussed ... (1) Poor shooting (2) Incompetent stat people. Obviously, they aren't related.

Your "worst shooting night of the season" had nothing to do with anything except Huntingdon locking you down and not giving you good looks.  Defense can cause bad shooting nights!

Jeez Griff, I'm sorry ... I'm going to have to move on here. I find your inability to follow a logical train of thought too frustrating ... Yes, of course defense is a major factor in causing bad shooting nights. But since you seem to be implying that is the only possible factor, please explain to me why HC went 16 for 32 from the FT line.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on January 20, 2006, 10:50:27 AM
Jeez Griff, I'm sorry ... I'm going to have to move on here. I find your inability to follow a logical train of thought too frustrating ... Yes, of course defense is a major factor in causing bad shooting nights. But since you seem to be implying that is the only possible factor, please explain to me why HC went 16 for 32 from the FT line.

Oh mighty Lion, I am just fine with logic.  It is easy for me to see that you lose a game and the best thing you can find to downgrade, instead of your inability to get good shots against a good defense, is to blame the stat people.  Do you sit in the stands with a stat book to make sure the stat guys from HC and LC are doing their jobs to your satisfaction? 
Also, logic will tell you that if HC went 16 of 32 from the FT line (are you sure HC stat people got that stat right????  How do you know it to be fact?  You say they are such bad stat keepers) It sure wasn't because of your defense that they missed 16 FT's.  It was because of your poor defense that put HC on the line 32 times.  Maybe they wanted to give you a little hope.   Who knows, you have the answer for everything.  You tell me since I can understand "logic".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 20, 2006, 11:21:35 AM
I love this "tense" conversation, lets see if we can get someone else going.  Maryville and Fisk suck.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 20, 2006, 12:57:54 PM
let's go with top 5 disappointments in the gsac
1. Huntingdon
2. Piedmont
3. Lagrange
4. 2003 GSAC tourney
5. Wilburt not logging on to this board
6.  I guess the stat guys at GSAC schools are a big disappointment?

These are the disappointments that i see, other than most past gsac players that never lived up to their potential and most of those guys did not play for maryville, so here is a list of standout underachievers
1.  Keith Kersey-piedmont, talent, 1 year only, could have been a 3 time POY
2. Huckle-Lagrange, just could not overcome the height issue
3.  Every big man huntingdon has ever had
4. Dotson-Fisk, he chose a little different route than the average 4 year career, but still the best player to ever suit up in a gsac game.
5. Chris Bunch, former maryville assistant, Now head coach at Webster, who leaves the GSAC for the SLIAC, that is a step down
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2006, 01:34:24 PM
You win, Griff. You wore me down ... I just don't have the ability to communicate with you ...

Have a nice life.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2006, 01:54:01 PM
Great idea, ohyeah ... that's more than enough of that "intellectual" discussion. Let's move on ...

Matt, I beg to differ re Piedmont being on your disappointing list. We seem to have exceeded the expectations of anyone who has bothered to express them on this forum, have we not?

With essentially the same team as last year, (lost one wing, added one wing) we have definitely improved.

Consider ... depth, defense, rebounding and record are all better than last year.
Rebounding ... last year we were -7 per game, this year ... +1.
Defense ... we are giving up 6 less per game than last year.
Record  ... we are one away from last year's win total, with quality wins over Oglethorpe, @ Averett, @ Methodist, and @ LaGrange. I don't care what LaGrange's record is, winning there is a quality win. My best guess is that we should win at least 5 or 6 more.

Now admittedly, I'm a little disappointed to be 9 and 6, but that's only because I'm a blind optimist who thinks we have a good shot at winning every game. But I don't see how you can put us on your disappointing list ... you have to admit, we are making progress?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:58:39 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 20, 2006, 12:57:54 PM5. Wilburt not logging on to this board

as a frequent lurker and infrequent poster on this board, this HAS TO BE the #1 most disappointing thing about the gsac this year...hands down
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 20, 2006, 02:02:19 PM
yes, i will give you progress, but progress does not pay the bills, We (namely maryville fans, but all supporters of the gsac i hope) are looking for another team in the gsac to step up and gain some national attention i.e. Fisk beating randy mac, Lagrange almost beating albion, but we are looking for a team to consistently compete with maryville for the national tourney and possibly, maybe even beat maryville (one day, hopefully not anytime soon)  I will give that piedmont is the closest to ever beating maryville and it was in maryville until the McCord miracle, but we don't want to get close we want big things out of the gsac.  so tell your guys to make it hot
I do miss wilburt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on January 21, 2006, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 20, 2006, 02:02:19 PM
yes, i will give you progress, but progress does not pay the bills, We (namely maryville fans, but all supporters of the gsac i hope) are looking for another team in the gsac to step up and gain some national attention i.e. Fisk beating randy mac, Lagrange almost beating albion, but we are looking for a team to consistently compete with maryville for the national tourney and possibly, maybe even beat maryville (one day, hopefully not anytime soon)  I will give that piedmont is the closest to ever beating maryville and it was in maryville until the McCord miracle, but we don't want to get close we want big things out of the gsac.  so tell your guys to make it hot
I do miss wilburt

It's too bad that Piedmont has no chance this year either.  Even sending a "BLANK TAPE" will not help their chances!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 21, 2006, 01:50:33 PM
Since we've already established that Griff is not a GSAC school, please enlighten us as to what school is lucky enough to count you among their supporters?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on January 21, 2006, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 21, 2006, 01:50:33 PM
Since we've already established that Griff is not a GSAC school, please enlighten us as to what school is lucky enough to count you among their supporters?

I am a fan of any school in the GSAC who plays Piedmont.  Any school who does things unethically and knowingly should never win another game.  The conference should issue some fines.  Have you checked into the "blank tape issue" yet?  Teams that play Piedmont should beat them unmercifully without any second thoughts!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 22, 2006, 12:57:17 PM
blank tape, blank tape, blank tape ... have you noticed you are the only one talking about this alleged incident?

If it even happened (I have no reason to believe it did ... can you say "credible source"?) I'm certain it was an honest mistake.

Yawn ... Griff, you bore me with your rumormongering ... why don't you give it a rest?

Either that, or if you can't control your "blank" fixation, just go blank yourself.

Good day.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 22, 2006, 01:20:46 PM
William,

Good game yesterday. Congratualtions to Fisk on the OT win.

After a slow start, we struggled all day to catch up. With less than a minute to go, Green hit two big Fts to put us up one ... then Walker had a huge tip-in to put us up three. I couldn't believe we gave up the three with a few seconds to go to send it into OT. Oh well, what are you gonna do? Just give credit to Fisk ... they made a bunch of big plays.

By the way, it was good to see Chris Adams back from his injury. I spoke with him after the game ... nice young man.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on January 22, 2006, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 22, 2006, 01:20:46 PM
William,

Good game yesterday. Congratualtions to Fisk on the OT win.

After a slow start, we struggled all day to catch up. With less than a minute to go, Green hit two big Fts to put us up one ... then Walker had a huge tip-in to put us up three. I couldn't believe we gave up the three with a few seconds to go to send it into OT. Oh well, what are you gonna do? Just give credit to Fisk ... they made a bunch of big plays.

By the way, it was good to see Chris Adams back from his injury. I spoke with him after the game ... nice young man.




Do you credit your slow start with "poor shooting", "good defense", or bad stat people?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 22, 2006, 03:34:55 PM
Griff,

See, here's the thing ...

I once heard that if you lie down with dogs, eventually you're gonna get fleas ... so I am going to do my best to quit responding to your inane comments.

Unfortunately, you remind me of an irritating rectal itch that is very difficult to not scratch.

I said, "Good day, sir!"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2006, 12:44:56 PM
apparently the scots were a little upset about losing at sewanee and decided to take out their aggression on Methodist
Obviously they handled the monarchs pretty easily, but they did lose, i can't wait for the upcoming home games, they are going to be so nasty

Bobby Golden is a supersized stud
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: fiskfan on January 23, 2006, 01:54:49 PM
Since Fisk have CHris Adams Back i garuntee you they willl not lost to MAryville on Feb1.   He will not let His team lost I promise you. Adams,Patton and Williamson is the best back court in the GSAC Hands down and ADAMs and Williamson acould be the best Backcourt in the the country just ask randoplh macon. Fisk wins by ten
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2006, 02:01:07 PM
LOL, how can we believe you that Adams is back?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 23, 2006, 02:38:48 PM
Pat,

All I can tell you is that Adams played 36 minutes against Piedmont this past Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2006, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 23, 2006, 12:44:56 PM
apparently the scots were a little upset about losing at sewanee and decided to take out their aggression on Methodist
Obviously they handled the monarchs pretty easily

yes, yes they did - as a monarch fan, i'm pretty embarrased by the effort (or lack thereof) that the monarchs exerted (or didn't)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2006, 05:37:35 PM
i will take it from the horses mouth that adams is back
I will be at both fisk games, maryville and knoxville the first of feb
see you then chris
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 23, 2006, 11:01:42 PM
Quote from: fiskfan on January 23, 2006, 01:54:49 PM
Since Fisk have CHris Adams Back i garuntee you they willl not lost to MAryville on Feb1.   He will not let His team lost I promise you. Adams,Patton and Williamson is the best back court in the GSAC Hands down and ADAMs and Williamson acould be the best Backcourt in the the country just ask randoplh macon. Fisk wins by ten

Could someone please interpret this for me?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 24, 2006, 12:20:55 AM
Does it matter if Chris is back or not... I am not sure how long the conference has been in play but its been at least 5 or 6 years... NO REGULAR SEASON LOSSES for THE SCOTS... Chris Adams is 0-4.. Win first talk second.... Thats my motto.... 5-0 against fisk....5-0 Hawks....4-0 Piedmont....5-0 Lagrange, so I am entitled to speak like this....

Mr.Grubb would you not agree??

Hey by the way the Got Lambert AMAZING!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 24, 2006, 11:05:58 AM
the first year of the gsac was 2000-2001 and it was dominated by a handful of players
1. Matt Ennen was a dominant force for maryville
2. Brent Watts was dominant for Maryvill
3. Keith Kersey was dominant for piedmont, no freshman has had the impact that kid had.
4. Tremaine Dawes for Fisk was phenomenal
5.  Mike Clark for Lagrange was another tough freshman
6.  Stillman was in the league at that time and if you have never played there, well it is tougher than fisk

through all of that first year, the scots never lost and every year since they have lost to fisk once in the 03 tourney semis, against the most talented player the gsac has ever seen, Josh Tummel
I know some of you out there are good players, there has even been an all american at maryville, but you all have never seen a player like josh tummel, his best move was the dunk
There have been some close games b/c they are all becoming rivalries, which is what a conference schedule does, but they have been one sided rivalries against the scots.
And if you were going to name an all time gsac team, you would only need to go down the list of players that lambert has produced.
Killer
what about Who is Randy?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 24, 2006, 01:23:36 PM
Mr.Grubb you are absolutely right.. Lambert has produced some wonderful players.. Check out this list: Pg's: Teon Winton, Tim Lawrence, Raul Placeres, and Mr.Spencer Beaty..SG's: Brent Watts, Monte Calloway, Jesse Robinette..SF's: Sidney Ellis, Chris Housewright, Kelvin "KRICH" Richardson..PF's: Josh Tummell, Mr.Babatu.. and at Center: The great Russian monster Matt Ennen, and Mr.Golden Corral Bobby Golden...

Pretty empressive list of Fighting Scots... I know I missed out some good players but these names are the one's that standout from what I have heard throughout my years at school...
  Ogelthorpe Wednesday ... Piedmont Saturday.. Should be good....
What is your All Time top 10...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 24, 2006, 02:38:37 PM
Hey Karma Gods ...

What's the deal with my man, GSAC Killer, and the -5. I don't see anything particularly bad about his posts?

Yeah, he's a little arrogant ... but MC never loses a GSAC game ... I guess I can understand arrogant.

Killer, maybe if you would try to be a little more charitable in your comments towards your GSAC brethren, maybe it would improve your karma ... Then again, maybe you don't care ...

Seriously, Karma Gods, I am curious ... how does this work? Who's actually doing it?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 24, 2006, 02:42:58 PM
I have to apologize to a great friend and role model  for not putting him down on the incredible list of Scots due to my rush of going to sleep right after my exciting J-Term class.
THE BEST DEFENSIVE BIG MAN OF ALL TIME Dee AKA "ALEXANDER GRAHAM or did I say Ring My" Bell at the Powe Forward position....
He was All South 1st Team and would have been All Conference if one existed then but best of all than man scored almost as many points more as BRENT WATTS in 400 less attempts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol... I know all of you would enjoy that one...

Side note: Dee Bell will get his 100 th win as a MAryville Fighting  Coach against Lagrange College.. Quite a feat in just 5 years..

Hey Old Lion its all good brother. And dont take this in the wrong way its not being arrogant it sjust stating the facts..And to the Karma Gods to be a Scot is a close to becoming a God as possible.WOW!!!!!! Thats deep...lol..Just playing. By the way I will see you Saturday...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 23, 2006, 02:38:48 PM
Pat,

All I can tell you is that Adams played 36 minutes against Piedmont this past Saturday.

Right. I was looking at his profile and was amused.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 24, 2006, 03:34:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 02:54:52 PM


Right. I was looking at his profile and was amused.

Oh ... now I'm with you ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 24, 2006, 07:14:46 PM
well as an insider for the murvul scots i have some bad news about bobby the man golden.  It seems like he sprained his ankle in practice and will be out for an undisclosed amount of time
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 24, 2006, 07:17:01 PM
ANDY CHANEY FOR PRESIDENT.  also i dont understand me nad GSAC Killer's bad karma.  We need to get some major brownie points from you veteran posters.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 25, 2006, 10:52:33 AM
Hey Spencer:  How long will Golden be out?  Maybe Holliday will have to shoot the ball while BG is out and will realize he can actually score to go along with all the other things  he does.  And Blair might get in the habit of playing regularly like he did at Fisk.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 25, 2006, 12:50:50 PM
old lion, what was the piedmont score?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 25, 2006, 01:08:17 PM
Coach H, I think it was 98-74.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 25, 2006, 11:50:16 PM
looks like Fisk should get a pool b bid.  that stinks that Fisk does well when william burton quits posting. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: balls6913 on January 26, 2006, 12:13:10 PM
Well looks like without Golden the Scots are in trouble. Losing to Oglethorpe at home?? Wow, thats a big loss. I have to say that if bobby doesn't get back Maryville will lose the next few...Piedmont, Carson Newman, Fisk...tough games. Whats was the Shumate kid doing in there. I know bobby was out but come on, that kid can barely move...where was Orr or Martin in the second half???!?! Im looking at the stats now and to see that Shumate had more minutes than Martin and Orr is I think incredible. Martin a senior I think deserves better than that...getting about 1 minute in the second half and overtime combined is crazy. He is a senior right? To play a freshman like shumate over martin is not very good coaching...especially when you need the experience with bobby out. Sorry, like the Scots but not a very good showing by coaches and players last night!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2006, 12:53:07 PM
The Scots problem last night was not on the inside but on the outside.  It was guard play, not post play.  Bad shot selection, poor movement, spotty defensive pressure, bad shooting, bad foul shooting, turnovers.  Oglethorpe did this playing essentially five guys and pressing the whole time.  Scots could not take advantage of the doubleteams or even of their sizeable rebounding advantage.   Blair and Holliday did their part, I thought.

Was anybody on this board besides me there last night?

I am wondering if it really is true that the GSAC is down this year even for it and especially compared to the SCAC.  Sewanee and Oglethorpe are not the best teams in the SCAC this year and look at what they have done to MC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: balls6913 on January 26, 2006, 01:45:51 PM
I was there and i agree about the shot selection...just look at the shooting percentages! Bo was way off his game tonight and monte had an overal good game except he should have kicked the ball out to chaney ealier instead of driving further to the goal.  I still think Lambert did a bad job substituting in the second half. Q only had 11 minutes as well. Martin the senior and Orr the athletic red head should have gotten a chance to play sometime in the 2nd half!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2006, 04:23:51 PM
Balls6913 (or do we call you Balls?): I do not think we are in much disagreement but I thought Orr did play in the 2nd half and either threw the ball away or got beat bad inside...I remember thinking "freshman!"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: balls6913 on January 26, 2006, 10:43:54 PM
yeah martin i think got beat too, but still how can you get into any kind of rythm if you get yanked after one mistake. No way anyone can help a team playing timid like those two probably are. Oh well lets hope bobby gets back soon or the scots may be in danger of missing the touney!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 26, 2006, 11:26:02 PM
Quote from: balls6913 on January 26, 2006, 10:43:54 PM
yeah martin i think got beat too, but still how can you get into any kind of rythm if you get yanked after one mistake. No way anyone can help a team playing timid like those two probably are. Oh well lets hope bobby gets back soon or the scots may be in danger of missing the touney!!!


I think they are already in danger of missing the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 27, 2006, 11:08:18 AM
    All this pointing the finger thing makes me sick... I played for Coach Lambert and it is very easy, he and his assistants prepare you as good as anyone I have ever seen to win games... Coaches don't play the game PLAYERS DO. So before we point the finger on the coaching staff lets see how effective players are.. Greg Martin as great of a guy as he is, is very limited so is Orr, and Roberts and Shoemate.. 3 of these 4 guys are FRESHMAN...it takes time people... So why no give some of these players like Orr and Shoemate valuable time since Martin is graduating this year...
By the way would we be pointing the finger at coach or his decisions or any of that if BO WOULD HAVE SIMPLY MADE BOTH HIS FREE THROWS... I DONT THINK SO.... He makes those and its over, as bad as Bo and the Scots played!!!

  Are the Scots playing their best basketball as of late no, but in no way, shape or form is it the coaches fault...
Bo Mason must be a point guard first and a shooter second.He has a lot of ability but I think he must soak this concept.I believe he plays better and the team plays better when he does this. Monte must be more effective defensively and the role players like Quinn Bradley and Andy Chaney must provide better minutes off the bench with their energy and scoring.I know Coach would agree with me on this, to bring ENERGY off the bench is vital to win games.. Not that they have not but it has to be more consistent..
  I hope some of the players get on the site and read this.. No matter what you do in life you will get what you put in.. That involves all aspect of life...

P.S.  As bad as things look the SCOTS  ARE 15-4.WOW!!.. I support my boys to the end I just wish they would play like they are coached... Oh yea to all the doubters still undefeated in the regular season in the conference and with 4 games left that record looks good at 19-4.. Yea I said it 19-4... Who cares about CNewman and Ten. Wslyn..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 27, 2006, 12:04:09 PM
GSACkiller:  I agree with all of what you said, which happens to be another version of what I said!   Saturday will be an indicator of how well the team pays attention to what I am sure the coaches have been doing this week.

The criticism of Randy has come from only one poster.

Those foul shots will do you in (after all, "they're free!!!).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 27, 2006, 02:03:12 PM
i don't think bad mouthing randy is the answer
with a young team you lose close games.
we will see how it plays out in the end
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 27, 2006, 06:44:34 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 26, 2006, 12:53:07 PM

I am wondering if it really is true that the GSAC is down this year even for it and especially compared to the SCAC.  Sewanee and Oglethorpe are not the best teams in the SCAC this year and look at what they have done to MC.

I don't think so. I think MC just ran into the "on any given night" syndrome. They just ran into OU on a hot night, while they were having a mediocre night.

I just checked the box score. Looks like MC was just unfortunate in that three very good shooters (Mason, Calloway, and Chaney ...  6 for 26 on 3s) all had off shooting nights. That's just great ... what are the odds of that happening two games in a row, when we come to town on Saturday? :>)

Also, It's tough to lose a player like Golden. But Blair isn't much of a drop off ... 23 and 9 is a very strong performance. I'm guessing Blair could start for 95% of DIII teams. I wonder if Big Bobby will be ready to go tomorrow. It doesn't much matter ... I'm sure whoever MC puts on the floor will have fire in their eyes and be ready to atone for the loss to OU. Thanks a lot, OU. Our guys better be ready to play.

More on the any given night syndrome, consider ...
  Maryville has lost to Oglethorpe and Averett ...
  Piedmont has beaten Oglethorpe (by 20) and Averett ...
  Maryville has beaten Piedmont by 21. Go figure ...
  I am sure there are plenty of other examples ...

Killer, good job of getting your Coach's back. Loyalty is a good thing. If someone has been "The Man" for you, you don't lose confidence in them when the going gets a little rough.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 28, 2006, 07:14:38 AM
[font=Verdana]Killer, good job of getting your Coach's back. Loyalty is a good thing. If someone has been "The Man" for you, you don't lose confidence in them when the going gets a little rough.


very well put
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 28, 2006, 10:39:07 AM
look for chaney and the gang to get there game back against piedmont this afternoon.  Not sure how bobby is but i wouldnt expect him to play or even dress against piedmont.  They are saving him for CN and Fisk.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 28, 2006, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 27, 2006, 11:08:18 AM
  Oh yea to all the doubters still undefeated in the regular season in the conference and with 4 games left that record looks good at 19-4.. Yea I said it 19-4... Who cares about CNewman and Ten. Wslyn..

Im agreeing with you GSAC but doesnt it make it a little sweeter to have a 20-5 season or 21-4 season than a 19-4 season.  20 wins is a lot better sounding to me.  also CN is a big game cause it has kind of evolved into a rivalry even though we havent won all the games have been very close and we get them at our house this time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 29, 2006, 01:33:11 PM
did bobby play against peidmont i wasnt able to make it to the game.  It really tore me up the second home game i missed.  If we would have lost it would have been bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 29, 2006, 05:49:42 PM
Bobby did not play.  Everybody else did, and pretty well at that, including the frosh (Orr, Roberts, Shumate, Brewer) Coppage) and the "regular" guards whose Oglethorpe game was not up to their standards.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2006, 08:34:07 AM
carson newman tonight i will be there for sure
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 31, 2006, 12:25:01 AM
Congratulations on the win over CN tonight.

What was the deal with Monte tonight ... 8 minutes, 3 points?

So you essentially won without Bobby and Monte ... very impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 31, 2006, 08:31:50 AM
Strangely enough, I came away feeling  pretty good about Piedmont's 122 - 99 loss to DII North Ga and their 3 former DI players. They are very good ... especially offensively. Had they not shot 46 FTs to our 19 (we both made 84%), it could have been a pretty close game. 23 more FTs made ... 23 point final margin ...

North Ga never "called off the dogs" (their two leading scorers played 37 and 35 minutes) ... which is fine ... so I felt pretty good about playing them essentially even in the 2nd half. We were pushing the ball, getting some transition buckets, and seemed to really be getting on a roll. I thought we had some good combinations on the floor and played with as much confidence and energy as we have in awhile ... definitely an effort we can build on for the end of our conference schedule.

I hope our guys can keep this same flow going against Toccoa Falls. Because if we can keep playing like we did (especially in the 2nd half) last night, I think we have a good shot at Fisk on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 31, 2006, 11:23:21 AM
Great game at Maryville last night, even if the Scots had lost, which they did not do.  Clutch plays by lots of people, including a bunch of the freshmen.  If Murvul plays like that against Fisk, they will be fine.   CN has some really talented and big and quick players but the Scots stayed focused and made the plays.  Only 10 turnovers.  Blair played a great game (that's three in a row!). 

Monte got hurt and did not return...don't know how badly.  He stayed dressed and was standing in the second half with a wrap on his knee.

Anybody else know more?   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 31, 2006, 01:29:06 PM
Monte is fine... Bobby is fine.... The Scots are fine.... Big win for Coach Lambert and his staff.. Great job coaching and scouting.. Last night was a perfect example of a well coached team and a team full of athletes. Carson Newman with the ability of having scholarship players did not look too good. Carson Newman might have the better players but coaching plays a big part in winning games and that is why the Scots came out with the W...
  Great inbounds call and great backdoor call late in the game by the one and only Coach Randy Dean Lambert...
  Bo stepped up his game n Mr.Bradley "Spring Bling" Blair is on a roll...
Fisk tomorrow.. Its for all the Marbles... A lot at stake... South Region Game, Conference Streak, and 1st Place in the GSAC..

  P.S.
     Want to give a shout out to the Scots JV team and Coach Spencer Beaty and Coach REx Wallace.. Undefeated with  7-0 record.. Can someone give my main man Beaty a job.. No doubt he would have any team in the GSAC in the NCAA tournament... Also some love to the Cooper Crazies or the Lambert Locos like I call them... Great atmosphere last night in the BBG..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2006, 01:49:45 PM
bradley blair for  president
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2006, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: wilburt on January 14, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Will be back to post in February...

just a reminder that february starts at midnight...i've really missed your musings
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2006, 04:38:38 PM
It was a phenomenal game last night, Bradley Blair freakin dominated and we beat them in the halftime intramural challenge they should be embarrassed
If you had told me before the game that Monte and Bobby were not going to play and MC would win with the guys that were on the floor i would have slapped your mother
The game was awesome, great experience for Chaney and Blair as well as Holliday, Johnson and the crew of freshmen that played, that will make Maryville strong later in the month of February
Bradley Blair played a game no one thought he was mature enough to do, he carried the scots on his back offensively and defensively it was amazing
Bo mason came to play 4 sure
And Last but definitely not least Andy Chaney is a better person than Dale Clayton (CN's coach), he is a better person than anyone that was in the gym last night, he could be the best person and player alive
Andy Chaney for president
now on to Fisk
Gooooooo  Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2006, 09:16:06 AM
now that Jeremy Holliday is playing better we need to get him a makeover, he needs that superstar look
Let's say leave the beard, it covers his face, but the hair, we need to work on that, if we could fix that and get him a little exfoliation i  think he would start scoring 20 a game
Spencer, let's get on that
Killer, i am leaving most of it up to you though, you are the style expert
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 01, 2006, 10:28:56 AM
Mr.Grubb you are something else but I agree... There is definitely something special about J-Ro's look.. I will work on the clothes you work on the hair and Coach Beaty will work on his post moves...
  Big game tonight... Senior night for 3 great guys.. Chopper Calloway, Andy "Chain Gang" Chaney" and Greg "Craig Mart" Martin....

Wow senior night against Fisk is that CONFIDENCE OR WHAT!!!!!!
  Thats all I have to say....

P.s. See you tonight Mr.Grubb... By the way thanks for your assistance Monday night in the Halls of Carnegie...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2006, 11:58:02 AM
William:  It is February already!   Are you going to be here?  How will we know?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 01, 2006, 11:58:02 AMAre you going to be here?

scottiedoug...he's there...he's never left...he's been lurking, waiting for just the right moment to post
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2006, 02:10:15 PM
senior night is right, here we go
Go Scots Baby
The President is finally graduating, wow it has been a long road for andy chaney, but a great one
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 01, 2006, 10:19:53 PM
I would like to congratulate the fisk bulldogs for there win over us.  I was not please with the profane behavior of the fisk section.  At the end of the game two balls were thrown at the scoreboard and that just isnt good.  the majority of the fisk section were flipping the bird to the MC student section.  I understand that this is fisks first win at Boydson and i didnt even care that they took our "is that not the winning team" chear but i feel sorry for the children in the fisk section and in the MC section.  That was poor sportsmanship.  I congratulate Adams and the rest of the team but i wish Adams would have picked up the trash after he threw a trashcan after getting his second technical for talking back to the referee.  That isnt classy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 01, 2006, 10:22:38 PM
Man we needed monte calloway last night.  His defense would have helped big time.  I dont like to be negatvie but BO and Jeremy played the worst i have ever seen them play.  When we have our usually lazy bradely blair playing his heart out and bo walking down the floor making silly turnovers and jeremy being afraid to take it to the rack that is where our problem is.  We just are not tough enough.  Bobby is hurt and so is monte but where was the support i just dont know what we are going to do.  Andy Chaney ill try to remeber you before tonight not during it.  Its been fun
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 01, 2006, 10:23:04 PM
Good game fisk see you come tourney time
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 01, 2006, 10:24:39 PM
Grubb you should have rubbed my picture on the day of the game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 01, 2006, 11:03:27 PM
ODE TO MURVUL

It's "Lambert's System!"  Raul bragged and boasted.
Said Fisk won't beat them, in the rematch they hosted.

86-76, now what is this?
Yes, mighty Murvul has just lost to Fisk!

They're happy in Nashville, and I feel dandy;
Now that Doc Glover has beaten ole Randy.

Today Murvul fans are sad and down;
Cause Fisk just got closer to the GSAC crown.
 
You see, Raul's trash talk was foolishness really;
It's he, who is now looking quite stupid and silly!

Author:  William Burton   
All rights reserved  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 01, 2006, 11:16:07 PM
Congrats to Fisk but Wilburt, I hope you dont act like the players that represent you. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2006, 11:50:08 PM
William:  You are a classy and clever fellow.  Fisk played well.  Maryville did not.  It had to end someday. 

Too bad some Fiskers haven't got the sportsmanship thing figured out better.  I don't really like Coke either but I'm not sure it gives me an excuse to try to bust up the scoreboard.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 02, 2006, 12:38:09 AM
William,

Congrats on the win. I'm sure you are thrilled ... I know I would be.

But it seems to me good sportsmanship dictates that you acknowledge the fact the Monte Calloway (IMHO, the leading candidate for GSAC POY) didn't play.

But I may be premature with that POY projection. With the roll Bradley Blair has been on lately, it may be too soon to count him out.

And what's the deal with Chris Adams? Based on my limited personal experience, he seems like a nice young man. But this is the second time I've heard stories of him going ballistic. Was that against Murvul last year too?

Also, I gotta disagree with you about Raul looking stupid and silly. He's right ... "Lambert's System" is still the Gold Standard of the GSAC. It's going to take more than one conference loss to change that. Maybe sometime in the not too distant future the rest of can help continue the trend Fisk has started.

Again, congrats on the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 02, 2006, 12:41:25 AM
 Well I was about to go to sleep but I wondered if people like Mr.Burton aka Wilburt would come out of hiding...
As a player I never made an excuse but the fact that two potential player of the year candidates are not 100% its tough to win games.. But hey I am not poor sport like some players from Fisk.uhmmm #34!! . It shows how big of a win it is when you beat the Scots.. We beat you at your place and its just another win. We eat our burger and fries ( by the way there great!)...We don't act like straight wild animals from the jungle we just get on the bus and go....
 By the way the reason we lost is because we didnt use our system!Bo I hope you read this all players have bad games its just how you bounce back!! Lead us to the one that counts thats in February!!
I post here to have some fun but I guess people do indeed take this serious so listen to this Wilburt... Your Fisk Bulldogs NEVER BEAT ME! Second they are 2-30 lifetime(30 is a little exagerration but your 2 for life against us).. So to conclude I say this: learn to 1) Win with Class..2) Its not our fault you guys don't like Coke.. 3) Placeres and his team was 5-0 lifetime and undefeated !!4) Lastly ask you players what they told me after the game..hint hint .. If I would have played the undefeated streak would have continued shows the respect they have unlike you...

P.S. Its a great thing to be a Fighting Scot.. They beat us once and its like winning the dang National Champioship... Congrats no doubt it was a great win to your team and you program but be more consistent in beating us and making the National Tournament and then you have the right to talk..... You basically acted like your players tonight on this harmless message board.. Hey by the way welcome back after your hibernation after your defeat in Nashville.... Much love though... Oh yea my girls won 8282383273247730732...!!! So I am still undefeated not only as a player but a COACH!!hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 07:41:43 AM
GSAC Killer said:

"We don't act like straight wild animals from the jungle we just get on the bus and go...."

You know what you just said could be construed as a racist remark!

Read the article:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/229191


It is conceivable that Fisk and Maryville could play each other two more times this season.  Once in the GSAC tourney and the other in the NCAA tourney provided both teams get Pool B bids!

No excuses, you play with the players you got...
If playing without Golden and Calloway was good enough to beat a Division II team, then it should have been good enough to beat Fisk.  You can't have it both ways!   

Oh yeah, I post to have fun too ;)!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2006, 08:03:01 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 07:41:43 AM
GSAC Killer said:

"We don't act like straight wild animals from the jungle we just get on the bus and go...."

You know what you just said could be construed as a racist remark!

it could...if you were a hyper-sensitive person...if the details of the article are accurate, i'd say that description is pretty apt - you CAN'T be proud of those actions, and honestly, if you're defending them, you aren't the person i thought you were

great poem, though, and nice win for FISK
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 08:25:39 AM
Narch

I am not defending anybody's actions.  They speak for themselves.  It's one thing to say someone acted unsportsmanlike - That's fine. 

It is quite another to say that players from an historically black college acted like animals from the jungle - That's crossing the line in my book.  If you are defending that statement Narch, then you aren't the person I thought you were either.

Thanks for the compliment on the poem, though!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: fiskfan on February 02, 2006, 10:26:09 AM
Hey  thats a big win for fisk . Why everybodt want to talk about chris adams attitude he just plays hard. He dont baged down from anyone both of them technicals fouls where questionable especially the second he was on the other in of  the court celebrating. He was a good sport about he shook the coaches hand and everything. Adams is  a good kid  i was at he game last night.  I told yall he was back He had 12pts 5assist 1 TO and 3steals  thats good for a point guard. Williamson, Adams and Patton are the best backcorut in the conference wilth the help of Eric Pillow off the bench. Adams plays with passion thats all . :D ;D


PS. FISK SHOULD HAVE 3 FIRST TEAMERS THIS YEAR AND TWO SECOND TEAMERS ALSO.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 02, 2006, 10:38:45 AM
Chris, thank you for your assessment of yourself.  If your actions werent that bad....why do you feel the need to defend them?

Wilburt, why does this board have to turn racial?  Truth, Raul has probably seen and heard as much of that stuff as Fisk has, so why would he turn it into racial remarks?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 02, 2006, 10:44:21 AM
You sound like the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback, taking things to far.. I will say if you found that offensive those were not my intentions so I apologize if I offended anyone but the way in which your Historically Black College acted after the game " YOU WOULD NOT BE PROUD OF"....
 But hey you did make a valid statement on how we did beat Carson Newman without them and lost to you guys, your right but you guys are just better...
 Once again  congrats on the win and maybe for the first time in since the establishing of the GSAC two potential GSAC teams making the NCAA tournament on the same year...
Hey best of luck the rest of the year and looking forward to that rematch in February...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2006, 10:51:01 AM
that makes you 2-13 against MC in gsac play good job
Killer you are an animal
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2006, 11:07:10 AM
I agree that the Fisk backcourt, including Chris Adams, is very good.  Maryville's "System" can beat a talented and big team like Fisk's but only if the players utilize it, which they did not do last night.  They did so against Carson Newman, without Bobby and Monte, but last night seemed to be trying too hard and rushing.  Fisk's defensive pressure was a problem but I did not think it was so intense that the Scots were taken out of their game by it alone.

I would rather have Bo not play the point...it is not his natural game (yeah we missed Raul).  Maybe young Coppage can grow into the role?

If the jungle remark had come from some redneck white guy I would completely agree with William and even so there were other ways to say what needed said.  The behavior in question was not close to acceptable even if the naming of it crossed a line.

A rematch at the GSAC would be helpful in figuring out who ought to get a Pool B.  There is little chance the loser of the rematch will get one.  And at least MC has some business to take care of next weekend for it to matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2006, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 08:25:39 AM
Narch

I am not defending anybody's actions.  They speak for themselves.  It's one thing to say someone acted unsportsmanlike - That's fine. 

It is quite another to say that players from an historically black college acted like animals from the jungle - That's crossing the line in my book.  If you are defending that statement Narch, then you aren't the person I thought you were either.

Thanks for the compliment on the poem, though!

wilburt...understood, i think - to clarify, if he had left out the word jungle and said something like wild animals from the desert or plains or forest, the statement would have been fine, right?

while i agree that what killer wrote wasn't necessarily RACIALLY SENSITIVE, i find it hard to make the assumption that someone using a racially insensitive anology is RACIST
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 11:45:30 AM
RANDOM THOUGHTS:

Doug said:

"If the jungle remark had come from some redneck white guy I would completely agree with William and even so there were other ways to say what needed said.  The behavior in question was not close to acceptable even if the naming of it crossed a line."

I agree with 95% of Doug's comment.  That's why I respect him so much.

Narch first said that Raul's comments were "apt" and now he said there were "racially insensitive."  Makes me wonder?Nonetheless, Raul has made a half-@$$ attempt at an apology which I accept.  Let's get back to talking basketball.

I may go back into hibernation, now that I see how much it drives you Murvul guys crazy!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 02, 2006, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 11:45:30 AM
Let's get back to talking basketball.


I agree with that 100%.

And let's put up the race card.

Seems to me, 95% of the time when the race card is played ...
1) it's unnecessary ...  it causes well-intentioned people to become tongue-tied for fear of being labled "insensitive"*
2) it brings an extra, unwarrented level of emotion to a discussion and
3) it usually obscures the issue originally being discussed

*BTW, I guess being "sensitive" is OK. But, IMHO, it is way too high on a lot of people's desired virtues list. Personally, I prefer being open, honest, and treating everyone fairly and equally.

But that's just me ... that's how I roll. :>)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 02, 2006, 01:10:33 PM
it doesnt drive me crazy at all Mr.Wilburt.....  :).... I kind of enjoy ur postings.... I will never be mad because in the end I was 20-0 against everyone in the GSAC!!!
 I just wish the guys we have this year would play with maybe the same fire and intensity the coaching staff provides and teaches... Its tough to swallow a home loss like that but hey, its all good.... Conference Tournament coming up!!

And like Old Lion and Wilburt  Its all about basketball baby!!!
  Good luck to everyone the rest of the way...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 01:46:57 PM
As far as POY, IMHO I would lean towards Allen White of Huntingdon so far.

Seems to me that no other player from any other GSAC school has appeared to play with the same consistency throughout the year. 

Plus, Coach Duckworth's team is very capable of beating both Maryville and FISK  at home, just like Coach Haynes' LaGrange team.  If they can put it all together, like I think they can, both teams could do a "Sewanee" on you.   

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2006, 01:48:02 PM
William:  You do not drive me (or any of "us," I think) crazy and I find the board less interesting and challenging when you hibernate.  

If Murvul cannot go to the NCAA, I want Fisk to.  If two can go, let's go!  I'd like to see how some of the ODAC and SCAC and USASouth teams would handle your guys (Randy-mac already got a taste).

GSAC Killer:  Regarding Bo, it seemed to me that it was not a lack of "fire and intensity" as much as letting his fire and intensity screw up some decision-making.   He is a soph, after all, and we did not get to see you as one!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2006, 02:04:37 PM
wilburt - i sent you a pm that might explain your "wonder", because you are correct, this board SHOULD be about basketball

on a basketball note, i am a bit jealous of FISK and FISK  fans...my monarchs got a 40 point beat-down at MURVUL :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2006, 02:08:28 PM
let's discuss the facts
Fisk has 15% winning percentage against the scots in conference play, i hope you are celebrating that today
Maybe your guys can destroy their own scoreboard in celebration, If it took me 4 years to beat one team, i would kill myself, but i also had an undefeated GSAC career and i was a POY and i recommend Monte Calloway
If it works like the heisman, there it is

Matt Grubb 4 Life
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 02:22:57 PM
Doug in all sincerity I think both Maryville and Fisk will likely get Pool B bids this season, regardless of who wins the GSAC tourney.  Which could be Huntingdon this year!

Assuming I am correct, will the NCAA committee likely have Fisk and Maryville play a potential 4th game against each other this season (bring out the national guard) or will they likely ship Maryville to the ODAC and Fisk to the SCAC?   

It seems to me that it would be cheaper (since they are so concerned about finances) for the NCAA to have Fisk and Maryville play each other rather than go to either an ODAC or SCAC school to play. 

We'll see what the South Rankings hold next Wednesday.

By the way, I just got wind of one of Fisk's first basketball high school recruits.  He is from West Aurora High School outside of Chicago.  One of the better High School programs in Illinois.  That's the same high school that produced former NBA player and University of Illinois alum Kenny Battle.   

Narch, don't be jealous of Fisk.  Although I am happy about the victory, I am unhappy about unsportsmanlike conduct. They apparently did not act this way when they beat Randolph-Macon on the road.  I would like to chalk this one up to youthful exuberance.  If it happens again, (strike that) it won't happen again right Mr. Adams  >:(  

Matt Grubb you can twist the facts anyway you want to.  I am still a happy man today ;D!  It's all about what have you done lately, not when you and Raul played.  And too be honest lately Maryville has not been looking too good.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 02, 2006, 02:46:57 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 01:46:57 PM
Plus, Coach Duckworth's team is very capable of beating both Maryville and FISK  at home, just like Coach Haynes' LaGrange team.  If they can put it all together, like I think they can, both teams could do a "Sewanee" on you.   



What's the problem Wilbert, can't find the "green" button?
Seems you are constantly overlooking Piedmont ...

Apparently, our taking Fisk to OT at our place didn't impress you ...

I'm wondering ...  if Mr Shivers had not hit that clutch 3 with only seconds remaining to send the game into OT, would you be able to remember that there are 5 teams in the GSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2006, 02:58:55 PM
William:  I was prepared to let it go but now feel the need to write that it was not only Chris Adams...he was not among the "bustupthe scoreboard" crowd...whose post-game antics did not help build a positive impression for Fisk last night.

I would hope the NCAA would not have MC and Fisk play early but rather let them see if they are any good by playing a new challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 03:05:56 PM
Old Lion, although I was not clear about it, I was referring to the upcoming two-game road trip both Maryville and Fisk  have against Huntingdon and LaGrange in Georgia and Alabama.  Hence, the use of the term Sewanee on you ...  Upset at home, like Sewanee did to Maryville.  It was no slight to Piedmont, since neither Maryville nor Fisk will play Piedmont again in Georgia this season.

Fair point Doug, but I consider Mr. Adams a leader on the team [plus he posts on this board] and that's why my remarks were to him specifically.   


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2006, 03:08:33 PM
just remember now maryville returns everyone except Chaney and Martin, could the streak start again???????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 02, 2006, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 01:46:57 PM
As far as POY, IMHO I would lean towards Allen White of Huntingdon so far.

Seems to me that no other player from any other GSAC school has appeared to play with the same consistency throughout the year. 


Player   Min    FG%   3PT%    FT%   R/G  A/G  T/G  S/G  B/G   P/G


Allen    25.4   .491    .370     .633    4.2  2.5    3.8  2.7  1.0   15.8


Monte   27.6   .459    .379     .888    5.0  3.1   2.2  1.4  0.1   15.6

Looks like a pretty tight race to me. At this point, I'd give the nod to Calloway based on the "best player on the best team" theory.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2006, 04:56:03 PM
Hey Matt:  Does Monte now get to rerun his senior year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 05:05:09 PM
Old Lion

I was never one to buy into the best player on the best team theory! Besides, who the "best team" in the GSAC this year is still up in the air.

I wasn't aware of medical redshirts being allowed this late in the season for athletes in Monte's situation.  But then again, I am not aware of the NCAA rules on the topic.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2006, 08:50:45 PM
There is not way monte will get a medical redshirt.  With just a handful of games left including the NCAA's.  But on the POY debate i would give it to monte but im a little biased.  I think he is definitely the most valuable player.  He has the intangables.  he plays D like no one else on the MC team does.  Bo no big deal pick it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2006, 08:52:13 PM
When are we going to get some more teams in the GSAC.  if we dont get an automatic bid there is no way we are getting two teams in the tourney even this year in my opinion.  To my knowledge some of the conferences get 2 auto bids.  That is whack.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2006, 08:54:15 PM
Im not sure why bobby didnt play more.  I think lambert should experiment with a big lineup and put bobby and bradely on the court at the same time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2006, 08:54:49 PM
this post will hopefully get me off the JV so i wont be JV for life.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2006, 09:33:26 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2006, 08:52:13 PM
To my knowledge some of the conferences get 2 auto bids.  That is whack.

no conference gets more than one aq
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 09:58:54 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2006, 08:52:13 PM
When are we going to get some more teams in the GSAC.  if we dont get an automatic bid there is no way we are getting two teams in the tourney even this year in my opinion.  To my knowledge some of the conferences get 2 auto bids.  That is whack.

Narch is correct. No conference gets more than 1 AQ.  The NCAA Handbook has listed the conferences that get on Pool A bid.  The GSAC (Men) is not officially recognized as a conference.(It has only 5 NCAA members.  The minimum number of schools to be recognized as an official conference is 6.  Seven members are required to get a Pool A bid.  I believe that the GSAC Women will get their Pool A status in 2006-07.)

GSAC schools compete for Playoff bids in "Pool B".  Any Pool B schools that do not get a Pool B bid are then thrown into Pool C.   The Pool B message board, Bumblin' B's,  is doing a very good job of discussing the Pool B candidates, to the best job that we fans can read the handbook and second-guess the selection committee. ;)

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 02, 2006, 10:37:43 PM
How 'bout those Huntingdon Hawks! They have won 6 in a row, 9 of 11, and 15 of their last 16 games at home.  Coach Duckworth has his guys playing well.  Big games coming up with Fisk and Maryville on the 11th and 12th at home. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 02, 2006, 11:02:19 PM
i knew there was a reason that this weekend scared me being a maryville fan.  Well Griffcoach, at least we know who you are affiliated with now.  Its good to get a rep from Hunt besides Alan White posting under "bob". 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 02, 2006, 11:15:54 PM
Actually, I am not affiliated with HC, I just follow them closely.  It seems like they have done a good job over there since coming into the league.  The transition to D-3 had to be a tough one and their record has been pretty solid this year and last year considering the fact that there is such good basketball being played in this league. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2006, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: fiskfan on February 02, 2006, 10:26:09 AM
Hey  thats a big win for fisk . Why everybodt want to talk about chris adams attitude he just plays hard.

Chris, didn't you get it from my last post to you? Everyone can see your e-mail address. You should have read the registration info.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 02, 2006, 11:36:32 PM
The Wild Animal has officially been let out of the Maryville College woods.  I would just like to start by saying that if any student athletes (especially seniors) of the GSAC need help with their grammar, then I would love to help tutor you.  That is the great thing about Maryville  College.  After we have manhandled you, we do not want to destroy your gym or flip off your student section, but rather help the less fortunate.   Raul, I GUARANTEE a title back in Maryville in a matter of weeks.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 03, 2006, 09:35:43 AM
Monte is done,
Yes, monte has been the most outstanding player in the GSAC this year
Which one of Fisk's players would you give it to, they play so many it is hard to single one out
HC just doesn't match up with Maryville, hopefully i will be saying that after MC's trip there, too, so you have to look at Monte

Raul is the best player fisk ever saw
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 10:18:00 AM
So much to address, but here we go:

A. Matt, since Fisk plays D1 school(s) each year it is assinine [sic] to say that Raul was the best player Fisk ever saw.  IMHO, the best player to ever probably suit up against Fisk was Leonard "Truck" Robinson from Tenn. State back in 1974.  If and when Raul can match Truck Robinson's credentials - NBA Career and NBA All-Star - then Raul can be considered worthy of the acclaim you are so readily willing to give him.   Plus, none of the FISK players have merited POY consideration for this year, IMHO precisely for the reasons you stated Matt.

B. Wild Animal, I am glad to see you come out the Maryville College woods.  I don't see how you can honestly guarantee anything, (given Murvul's recent performances against Sewanee, Oglethorpe and FISK) but we will indeed see in a few weeks.  Have you not yet learned from Matt Grubb and Raul Placeres that trash talk can come back to bite you in the rear end? 

C. I have to disagree with my friend Coach Beaty.  I think this may be one of those fluky years where two Pool B bids can come from the GSAC.  I could be wrong, but I truly believe that's possible! 

D. I want to congratulate senior Monte Calloway on an outstanding career at Maryville.  I am sad for him in that it appears it has to end prematurely due to injury.  He has been quite a formidable competitor these last 4 years and I wish him the best in his future endeavors and a speedy recovery!

E. Finally to my good friend Doug.  I bought my tickets and I will be at Huntingdon for the GSAC tourney in late February.  I would like to treat you to dinner (that friday night), if you also plan on making the trip to Montgomery as well.  I think you and I would have a LOT to talk about, and I have been looking forward to meeting you for some time, but my schedule had not allowed me to make it to Maryville.

Good day everyone...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 03, 2006, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 02, 2006, 05:05:09 PM

I was never one to buy into the best player on the best team theory! 

Besides, who the "best team" in the GSAC this year is still up in the air.


1) I agree that being on the best team shouldn't carry as much weight as it usually seems to in POY/MVP competitions. One could even take the contrarian approach that a great player's accomplishments on a lesser team are even more impressive because his supporting cast isn't as good. But that usually doesn't seem to be the way it works.

Teams aside, I'd vote for Monte.

2) I disagree. I think there is more parity in the GSAC this season. I respect all of our teams. I believe any team in the league is capable of having a good game and beating any other team.  Fisk has proved that theory. With that said, IMHO, Murvul is still, clearly, the leader of the pack in the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 03, 2006, 10:58:00 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 03, 2006, 09:35:43 AM
Monte is done.

Monte,

I just heard last night that you tore your ACL and will be missing the rest of the season.

If that's true, I just wanted you to know how badly I feel for you. Injuries are a part of sports, but to have to miss the end of your senior season ... well, I'm sure that makes it a particularly difficult pill to swallow.

They say dealing with adversity builds character. I, for one, wish you could have avoided this particular dose of "character building" ... but that's life.

I always enjoyed watching you play. Here's wishing you the best in your future endeavors.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 03, 2006, 10:43:14 AM
2) I disagree. I think there is more parity in the GSAC this season. I respect all of our teams. I believe any team in the league is capable of having a good game and beating any other team.  Fisk has proved that theory. With that said, IMHO, Murvul is still, clearly, the leader of the pack in the GSAC.

Old Lion, you appear to have contradicted yourself.  How can there be "parity" in the GSAC this season and yet and still have Murvul "the clear leader" of the pack this season? Inquiring minds want to know...  Unless, of course you mean that Murvul is first amongst equals!

par·i·ty   
DEFINITION: Equality, as in amount, status, or value.

Is that thin air in Demorest finally getting to you  ;)?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 12:22:35 PM
FYI, Officially, Coach Glenn and his Piedmont team currently have the longest GSAC regular season winning streak with 3 games.  That streak could possibly end this weekend in Nashville though.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 03, 2006, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 03, 2006, 10:43:14 AM
2) I disagree. I think there is more parity  in the GSAC this season. I respect all of our teams. I believe any team in the league is capable of having a good game and beating any other team.  Fisk has proved that theory. With that said, IMHO, Murvul is still, clearly, the leader of the pack in the GSAC.

Old Lion, you appear to have contradicted yourself.  How can there be parity in the GSAC this season and yet and still have Murvul "the clear leader" of the pack this season? Inquiring minds want to know...

Is that thin air in Demorest finally getting to you  ;)?



1) "more parity" ...

It's simple enough. You just have to read a little more thoughtfully and kick that reading comprehension into full gear ... like I'm certain you did during your days at Fisk. A mind is a terrible thing to waste ...

By saying there is "more parity" as opposed to saying "we have reached parity" implies that we are making progress towards parity ... but we aren't there yet. So there still can be a clear leader ... just not as clear as it was ... the lead is dwindling.

When you stop to think about it ... that's the implied discussion whenever parity is being discussed ... not whether or not you've reached parity, but how close to parity are you? Because there is probably very rarely a case, if ever, of any league reaching "absolute parity".

Clear enough?

Well, I guess we've beaten that point to death.


2) thin air?

Nope. Unfortunately, I was born this way.  Keep me in your prayers ...   :>)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 12:39:20 PM
Cute Old Lion: A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Thanks for clarifying...

I'm sorry, I used what I learned in my English classes for drafting poetry these past couple of days, rather than kicking in that reading comprehension! My bad...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 03, 2006, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 12:22:35 PM
FYI, Officially, Coach Glenn and his Piedmont team currently have the longest GSAC regular season winning streak with 3 games.  That streak could possibly end this weekend in Nashville though.



Huh? I'm afraid you lost me there ... what 3 game winning streak? Maybe my reading comprehension needs a little work too?

But I do appreciate your attempting to say something nice about my Lions ... assuming there is not some dig there that's going over my head.

In any case, you did go to the trouble to use that "green button" ... that's progress ...   :>)


Also, GSACKiller, check this out ...

"That streak could possibly end this weekend in Nashville though."

Now that's how you talk smack in a respectful and subdued manner. Pay attention ... you can learn something from your elders.

As the late, great Richard Pryor (as Mudbone) said, "You don't get to be old, being no fool!"  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 12:57:12 PM
My mistake again Old Lion, it was Huntingdon not Piedmont with the GSAC 3 game winning streak.  I should stop trying to do so many things at once.

Piedmont could possibly start a winning streak this weekend in Nashville, if James Shivers doesn't suit up for the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 03, 2006, 01:08:34 PM
Being the eternal optimist, I'm going to take that as a good sign ... that perhaps you are clairvoyant and you were having a premonition of a coming 3 game GSAC winning streak for Piedmont. Hope springs eternal ...

Are you going to be in Nashville this weekend? Maybe I'll see you there? I'm hoping for another hard fought contest like we had in Demorest ... with a slightly different outcome, of course.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 01:13:55 PM
I don't live in Nashville, nor Tennessee Old Lion, otherwise I would be there to meet you.

As I told Coach Haynes, I live in an undisclosed location in the Eastern Time Zone ;D.

I am no clairvoyant, if I really were, FISK would have defeated MURVUL twice this season!  Then again, that could still happen :D!

Thanks for the Richard Pryor reference, you made me laugh soooo hard....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 03, 2006, 01:27:22 PM
Hey Matt Grubb our boy Wilburt wins one game and he is a POSTING MACHINE!! He has posted like 10 times in the last two days compared to his 2 posts in 3 months.. WOW you are guys at Fisk are definitely not used to winning big games...
Old Lion I wish you guys the best in Nashville.. Adams was ejected from our game and by NCAA rules he should sit his next game is that against Piedmont??

  1st Team All Conference: Courtney Ellis, Monte Calloway, Allen White for sure...
      Player of the Year: My boy Monte Calloway but I would consider Courtney Ellis....
      But my favorite player to watch is believe it or not is Marquis Patton from Fisk... Great attitude, heck of a defender and his mid-range game is similiar to that of Rip Hamilton from the Pistons..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 01:41:49 PM
Raul I have to catch up on the couple of weeks I missed when I was in hibernation.  I am contemplating going back into hibernation in a week or so as well.  It seems to bring my Bulldogs good luck!

BTW speaking of big games Raul, who was the last ranked team MURVUL beat during the regular season?  That should be this week's trivia question for you, since MURVUL rarely plays them until NCAA tourney time...

Talk to you soon GSAC Killer...


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 03, 2006, 01:54:09 PM
Ill answer for Raul....the answer, this year when Maryville beat then ranked #10 Transylvania.  Hope that helps since you were criticizing MC's schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 03, 2006, 02:14:38 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 03, 2006, 01:27:22 PM
Old Lion I wish you guys the best in Nashville.. Adams was ejected from our game and by NCAA rules he should sit his next game is that against Piedmont??

  1st Team All Conference: Courtney Ellis, Monte Calloway, Allen White for sure...

What's the rule, Killer? Is it the next game, or the next conference game?

Knoxville College was the next game, we will be the next GSAC game. I don't know if he sat out the Knoxville game or not ... because apparently, Knoxville college's Sports Info Dept is worse than Fisk's. (Sorry Wilburt, just stating the obvious.)

Not bad selections for All-GSAC ... What, no love for any of my Lions? We are much improved, so I would think a few of our guys are worthy of consideration for post season honors. But, in my opinion, it is going to be difficult for any of them to stand out ... because we are deep and Coach Glenn has been so democratic with the PT this year.

I'd be interested in your opinion though, Killer. Because, as you know, no one sees the floor and understands what's going on out there better than an old PG. I'm kidding, sort of ... But I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 03, 2006, 04:23:14 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 03, 2006, 01:54:09 PM
Ill answer for Raul....the answer, this year when Maryville beat then ranked #10 Transylvania.  Hope that helps since you were criticizing MC's schedule.

Close, but no cigar.

It was my understanding that when Maryville played Transy in December, Maryville was ranked but not Transy. Transy later became ranked in January, and Maryville later dropped from the rankings. 

Try again...   Next time let Raul answer for himself, since he talked about winning big games.  It appears he can talk for himself well enough, unless he needs a ventriliquist to give him the answers.

I do agree with Raul's first team all-conference picks though...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 03, 2006, 04:33:33 PM
It is not clear to casual observers in the Knoxville area whether Knoxville College's basketball program is affiliated with either the NCAA or NAIA, and I do not know if that even matters for the suspension issue....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 03, 2006, 06:22:27 PM
wilburt,

you are incorrect.  when maryville played transylvania at the start of the year, Transy was #10 in the country by d3hoops.  Its ok to be wrong sometimes william.  Just admit it when you are.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2006, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 03, 2006, 06:22:27 PM
wilburt,

you are incorrect. when maryville played transylvania at the start of the year, Transy was #10 in the country by d3hoops. Its ok to be wrong sometimes william. Just admit it when you are.

Actually, YOU are wrong. Transylvania has never been ranked higher by D3hoops.com than the No. 19 they are right this second.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 04, 2006, 12:26:42 AM
ok, i will eat my words, wittenburg was #10 and not hanover.  William, I apologize. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 04, 2006, 07:23:05 AM
To my friends from Maryville: [That means you too Raul!]

Do you want to call a truce with all the digs and trash talking?
Or, are we going to keep this up until Jesus Christ returns?

I like Old Lion's idea of talking smack respectfully and subdued like they tend to do on the other message boards (ie ODAC and SCAC).  Doug does it very well himself.  Grubb has his moments as well, until he starts hanging with the GSAC Killer. The choice is yours...

Finally, talk about lurkers...  That should be Coach Duckworth and his Huntingdon team.  They are licking their chops ready to upset MURVUL and FISK.  Coach Haynes falls into that same category.  We haven't heard from him in a while.

P.S.  Oh Yeah, I am still not sure whether I was wrong or not based on Pat's response.  If I was wrong, I hereby officially ADMIT IT!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 04, 2006, 06:06:43 PM
i like being the guy who just sits in the shadows while GSAC is taking all the heat.  Wilburt remeber when i was the bad guy.  Well anyway, i think MC is getting just what they need a week of rest until they play lagrange on saturday.  I cant say ill be going on the treck.  This gives bobby some much needed R&R and maybe Jesus will heal monte.  and maybe our mental scars will heal.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 04, 2006, 06:07:26 PM
Can i get some positive Karma from the karma gods
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2006, 09:59:47 PM
wilburt & ohyeah - there is a great tool on this very site - click on the top 25 poll (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/) and in the upper right hand corner see the link for previous polls...it shows a week-by-week progression all the way back to the pre-season poll :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 05, 2006, 08:11:43 AM
Coach Beaty, I just gave you some karma love my friend.  Hope you can make the trek to Montgomery for the tourney.  I'm looking forward to it, since it is a chance for me to get away from work and family.  Some FISK alums from Atlanta are thinking about coming down to Montgomery to join me for the GSAC tourney as well.   Hopefully, we can stay at Duckworth's house  :D!  I promise we will be on our best behavior.  You were never the bad guy Coach, you just needed your inner good guy to come out more!  I hope I brought that out. Hope that Bobby is 100% next week...

The regular season GSAC title is on the line next weekend, so rest up everyone... 

Narch that issue is dead in my book...


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 05, 2006, 09:17:50 AM
Yeah i hope to make the trip to montgomery.  I hope i see some good basketball i know i will.  Where can see the ranks regionally not just nationally.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2006, 09:30:35 AM
Good Morning,  Coach Beaty, (Sunday Morning , you know!)

The first set of Regional rankings will be released on Wednesday Feb 8th.

Pat will probably post them as soon as they are released!



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 05, 2006, 01:38:36 PM
All of a sudden I am the bad guy!! Wow I guess speaking the truth makes one a bad person... Wilburt regardless of what is said here I would love to meet you in Alabama. ;D. I hope the games are as animating and fun as we have made this message board... All I hope for is a Fisk vs Maryville final....

  Big weekened for all GSAC teams... Hope everyone enjoys the super bowl..
To the MC Wild Animal it was very nice of you to provide some of the players who post on this site some help with there writing skills....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 05, 2006, 01:59:49 PM
By the way fellas here are my picks for All Conference:
    1st Team: Monte Calloway and either Bradley Blair or  Bobby Golden
                     Courtney Ellis and Chris Adams
                      Allen White
   
   2nd Team: Bo Mason and either Bradley or Bobby
                     Jeremiah Williamson and Marquis Patton
                     Someone from either Lagrange or Piedmont...
Player of the Year:
               Monte Calloway

I just think Fisk and Maryville have the better players and it would be wrong if they would want a representative from each team to make either teams...
                     
                     
                   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 05, 2006, 04:22:57 PM
OK the grubby one is here to weigh in
I like the killer's picks for the awards, which i don't really believe in b/c the two best players MC has had in the past 10 years are Chris Housewright and Dee Bell, both pre gsac players, but House did own Fisk, sorry wilburt, but he did, different era.
But for once, there is actual contention for the gsac title and i would have to give the edge to Fisk right now b/c MC seems to be in a state of confusion and next weekend's trip for both FU and MC are going to decide it, huge trip for both teams and great opportunities for both PC and HC, I think Allen White has a chance to win POY next weekend.
And Wilburt, i do have my moments, and this post is one of them
Grubb for life
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 06, 2006, 07:33:55 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 05, 2006, 01:38:36 PM
All of a sudden I am the bad guy!! Wow I guess speaking the truth makes one a bad person...

Speaking the truth never made any one a bad guy.  But if you call speaking the truth through taunting and ridiculing someone (which you tend to do, and just did), then that will always make you a bad guy.  Like I said earlier, we can keep this up until Jesus Christ returns Raul.  Again, the choice is yours. Last chance Raul...

Grubb for life...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 06, 2006, 08:13:32 AM
Check out this ESPN article on the loss of civility in sports and in today's society at large.  I think "everyone" in the GSAC can learn from this. 

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/keown/040127.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 06, 2006, 09:05:12 AM
Don't have any picks for All-Conference yet but here are some of my other picks:

Player of the Year:   Allen White, Huntingdon (look at his numbers, they compare to just about anyone else's who is in contention for POY)

Most Improved Player:  Bradley Blair, Maryville (everyone in Maryville dogged him until he performed big at games versus Fisk and versus Carson-Newman)

Coach of the Year:  Dr. Larry Glover, Fisk (can't argue with the success he has had this season)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2006, 09:40:30 AM
I will not give any awards to anyone until after this weekend
The Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 06, 2006, 10:30:39 AM
If I recall I have not really ridiculed anyone just simply the truth... Taunting..haha... Never me!!
  Wilburt just a little fun... But I understand where you are getting and you are right with the article...
  Well I am calling a truce between me n Wilburt!! Just waiting for the response...
   BIG WEEKEND!! I think the Scots will be ready... Big surprise awaiting the GSAC opponents but I will not share any of it....
  Hey Wilburt will you be attending the Conference Championship??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 10:48:41 AM
My picks....

1st team: Monte Calloway, Maryville
                Allen White, Huntingdon
                Courtney Ellis, Fisk
                Marquis Patton, Fisk
                Bradley Blair, Maryville

2nd team: Bobby Golden, Maryville
                 Chris Adams, Fisk
                 Jeremiah Williamson, Fisk
                 Bo Mason, Maryville
              Jake Baldwin, Piedmont or Corrie Jackson, Lagrange

Player of Year - Monte Calloway, Maryville
Coach of Year - Larry Glover (although I think he has the talent to be unbeatable......still loses some games he shouldnt)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 06, 2006, 10:52:04 AM
Okay we have a truce then and yes Raul, I will be at the GSAC tourney in Alabama and will be going around introducing myself to the various coaches, players etc.  [Coach Glover already knows who I am.]

Friday afternoon of the tourney (I won't be there until then), I should be easy to spot.  I plan on wearing my old Fisk letter sweater, with a great big gold "F" on the front of it. (Yes, I can still fit it  :D!)

For those of you who didn't know, among my many talents, I was an athlete (Track and Field) myself back at Fisk.  In fact, I was the SCAC (then CAC) champion in the 100 meter dash my senior year at Fisk!  I used to be the fastest man in the conference...         

Oh Yeah,  I tend to like those picks.  Can I use some of them?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 06, 2006, 11:45:27 AM
Oh Yea I just found out that only 3 players from each Team can make either 1st or 2nd Team.. So one player from Fisk and Maryville will be left out...

But like Grubby said lets wait to this weekend...

  I saw an interesting legend walking the hallways this morning after my daily 7am workouts THE HAMBURGLAR HIMSELF!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2006, 01:23:25 PM
well i am down to go to montgomery, i have friends there so we can party up
I won't be wearing my maryville letter jacket b/c i can't fit in mine b/c coach lambert starves his players

I am so glad we have peace between wilburt and the killer

This weekend is going to be so hot, there will be some interesting conversation next week
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 06, 2006, 01:48:24 PM
I really feel like this is the weekend Bo Mason finds himself.  He has struggled lately but I think he now realizes that without Monte, his play determines a lot of the team's outcome.  With a healthy Golden and Bradley, Maryville's inside game is tough; however, the perimeter must knock down big shots to keep the double teams away.  The off week is exactly what the doctor ordered.


P.S. I still have not had any GSAC players send me their term papers so I can help them out.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 02:08:14 PM
william,

you can use all of "my picks" if you want to, especially if they are correct. 

Killer, interesting info, I will do a little research and come up with a new list. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2006, 03:07:18 PM
Post season honors ...

OK, let's start with two givens ...
1) We are all a little biased towards our own guys.
2) Fisk definitely has some good players - from the two games I've seen, I'd say they have four worthy of consideration for all - GSAC. The four previously mentioned ...

But, that doesn't mean they should have 4 (or even 3) on the all - GSAC team. They are a good team, probably 2nd best in the GSAC. But at 14 -7, they aren't all that dominant. Certainly not to the point of having 3 or 4 all - GSAC selections while HC, PC, or LC have none, or only one. Just my opinion ...

Here's my main problem with picking Fisk guys ... how do we know? What are we basing it on? There is no comprehensive info available.

I've seen them 2 out of their 21 games ... in just 2 games, your opinion can easily be skewed up or down by an unusually good or bad game. That's why comprehensive #s s/b available ...  to provide a more "big picture perspective". In the absence of that info, I don't know how Fisk guys can be fairly considered in relation to everyone else.

IMHO, based on the picks posted so far, these are the guys that come to mind as being overlooked so far. I'm not saying any of them are necessarily in the final top 10 (heck, the season is not even over yet) but they are certainly worthy of consideration.

HC - Cole Hairston - leading HC in minutes (30.9 per game), rebounding (6.1), 2nd in scoring (12.5) and shooting 61% from the field.

LC - Demetrius Render - leading them in scoring (12.5) and rebounding (4.9). And like our Piedmont guys, he is putting up these #s in a good bit fewer minutes than most team's "top players" usually play.

And now to my particular bias, Piedmont. We have at least 4 guys worth of consideration.

Jake Baldwin and Mike Adams - our two leading scorers at 15 and 14, respectively. Both of these guys have improved their all-around games this year and shot fairly high %s from both the field and the line. While scoring is certainly important, IMHO, it probably carries too much weight in all star considerations. So these guys also have to be considered ...

Jake Green and Brent Walker - both of these guys are "intangibles guys" whose value to the team goes far beyond the numbers. Green - leads us in minutes per game (at only 26.5), assists (4.9), 2nd in steals (1.9). Best pure PG (Mason and Adams are both good, but they aren't pure PGs) in the league ... his true value is that we are better when he is on the floor. He makes us go. Walker - true warrior - 2nd in minutes (24.7) ... leads us in charges taken, steals (2.4) and has the highest rebounding average in the league at 8.3. I don't feel comfortable when this guy sits for very long either.

And William, congratulations on the Fisk victory Saturday. Your guys played well.





Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 06, 2006, 03:18:46 PM
With all due respect Old Lion, I am not biased for my players.. They just deserve to be on both teams.. I base my opinion on how they do against teams in the conference because it is a Conference Award...
  Lets look at Fisk 7 losses: Division I TN State, Trevaca Big time NAIA team, Top 10 Mississippi College, A good Suny Farmingdale, Knoxville College ( that probably no one in the GSAC could beat if they played on the road), Oakwood who I bet must be hard heck to beat at their place and The Scots..
  If you look at those losses 4 of them are not DIII games...
  Fisk in my opinion year and year out does not play to the level I think they should be which is an NCAA Tournament team but lets not take away the fact they have a heck of starting 5.. I would trade the Scots starting 5 for theirs believe it or not....
  Wilburt showed your boys a little love....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 03:29:11 PM
old lion - here is my problem with Mr. Walker, he had two good games in GSAC, at LaGrange and hosting Fisk.  However, even in the Fisk game, he was 3-9 from the floor and played 33 minutes.  Courtney Ellis, my first teamer had 10 adn 8 in 18 minutes and shot 5-6 from the floor.    

And I know you are biased about Mr. Green but he doesnt even have a 2-1 assist to TO ratio.  

My main problem with Piedmont is they are 1-4 in conference.  How can a team that is 1-4 in conference have 4 players for All Conference.  

I like the Adams kid, but I just think there are better choices.  

In regards to Lagrange......

I like the Pender kid but 4-22 shooting against Huntingdon just doesnt make me excited.  And add that to 0-5 in the conference.  I just have a hard time thinking a kid with the same #s at Piedmont and Lagrange should warrant a spot over the guys with the same numbers at Fisk and Maryville.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2006, 04:07:47 PM
The POY award is White's for the taking this weekend, 2 good games and 2 victories for the Hawks and Mr. White is definitely the man, but it is also his to lose this weekend. 
If white does not show up then Monte is my pick, he was doing it every night before he got hurt and really turning up his overall game.  He IS the BEST player in the conference bar none. (period)  That is from a scouting report I made myself.  But with his injury and some tough performances out of white who is carrying his team, he will have a real shot.
And what about Andy Chaney?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 06, 2006, 04:16:37 PM
Y'all make good cases for a bunch of good players for all-conference.  What trips us up is the first five and second five "requirement."  We could come close to a top ten, even without knowing Fisk stats, but what are we really measuring?  It is after all a team sport and some players add things that just do not show up in the stat sheets (the intangibles) that are really important.  

Somebody like Raul brought a determination and intensity that you can see but not really measure.  In his case, there was no doubt he was an all conference player, but there probably are players whose stats don't put him in the top five (or ten) but who make the team way better than it would be without him.

I guess my only point is that this is always hard to do.  On the other hand, we will all know which team wins the conf. and especially the tournament.

But for the sake of an argument (sorry William and Raul), if Fisk has four or five of the best players and yet they do not win the championship, are they all-conference players anyway?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 06, 2006, 05:29:51 PM
Now this is the type of discussion I like to read about.  I am VERY PROUD of you guys :).


 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2006, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 03:29:11 PM

My main problem with Piedmont is they are 1-4 in conference.  How can a team that is 1-4 in conference have 4 players for All Conference.  


You've made some good points, ohyeah, but you also missed my point.

I wasn't picking the all-GSAC team. I was throwing out names for consideration.

I wasn't suggesting that PC s/h 4 all conference players. But I did suggest the following ....
"But, that doesn't mean FISK should have 4 (or even 3) on the all - GSAC team. They are a good team, probably 2nd best in the GSAC. But at 14 -7, they aren't all that dominant. Certainly not to the point of having 3 or 4 all - GSAC selections while HC, PC, or LC have none, or only one. Just my opinion ..."

That is a long way from suggesting that PC should have four.

I think PC's problem in getting guys named all-GSAC is that we are a deep team with no stars. IMHO, our best player (whomever that is) is not a great deal better than our 7th or 8th guy ... whomever that is. But that doesn't mean that some of our guys don't deserve consideration. Heck, I had trouble picking four from the pack.

Doug also did a better job than I did of trying to make one of my points, when he said ...
" It is after all a team sport and some players add things that just do not show up in the stat sheets (the intangibles) that are really important.  Somebody like Raul brought a determination and intensity that you can see but not really measure.  In his case, there was no doubt he was an all conference player, but there probably are players whose stats don't put him in the top five (or ten) but who make the team way better than it would be without him."

That's an example of the type of "bias" I was referring to, Killer. You know those things about your guys, whom you see often. Whereas, you might not realize some of the intangibles your opponents bring to the table.

Ohyeah, we are just considering candidates at this point. I had 19 names on my first list. And guess what  ... MC and Fisk had the most names ...

Obviously, the jury is still out. The season is not over. I'm sure it will end up like most all star selections ... a few deserving guys, on the bubble, will miss the cut. Such is life ...

That's why this stuff is fun to talk about, but you can't take it too seriously.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2006, 07:34:37 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 03:29:11 PM

Mr. Green doesnt even have a 2-1 assist to TO ratio.  


A little info for you on assists to turnover ratios, ohyeah. Good luck in coming up with ten guys if you are going to set 2.0 as the minimum requirement. I did a little research on a few of the guys under consideration... we don't even have very many "in the black", more assists than turnovers.

Maryville:
Bo Mason 1.5
Monte Calloway 1.4
Bobby Golden 0.5
Bradley Blair 0.2

I suspect Bo's and Monte's good #s are due, at least in part, to Maryville's finely tuned "system". Fisk, Piedmont and LaGrange, for example, seem to get out in transition a little more ... a style that inherently produces some easy buckets, but also a few more T/Os.

Huntingdon:
Justin Babian 0.7
Cole Hairston 0.6
Allen White 0.5

Piedmont:
Jake Green 1.3
Mike Adams 0.9
Brent Walker 0.8
Jake Baldwin 0.5

LaGrange:
Corie Jackson 0.5
Demetris Render 0.2

Fisk:
Who knows? Another of my original points ...

We must have some guys fumbling a few passes in the GSAC. I can't believe it's all bad passes.

Or maybe the baseball analogy of expecting your shortstop to lead the team in errors holds up here. To translate ... maybe the guys in the thick of things, with the ball in their hands, making it happen ... can reasonably be expected to commit a few turnovers, as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 06, 2006, 09:29:43 PM
There is no doubt Jake Green in my eyes is the purest of Point Guards in the GSAC and I enjoy watching him play but like anything there is always a BUT.He has dropped off his play from last year and his team in my opinion has underachieved this season for whatever the reasons..
  I agree with whoever stated the point on why I made All Conference 1st Team... Their were probably two or three guys who had better numbers than I did but they didn't have I guess you should say that "X"factor how to win games especially the BIG ONES.. . No matter what my team was going to WIN... I for one think that is a big determining factor in judging players...
Some of the guys being considered here are combo guards like Adams and Mason...
   Everyone here makes valid points on different things but one thing in my mind when determining my picks was the Win-Lost factor...
  A "PLAYER" by definition gets it done and gets their team there no matter the Coaching situation... So I will say my final  1st Team selectiomns will wait till the end of the week like my main man Grubby said..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 09:31:11 PM
old lion - the reason for the Jake Green part is he is a true point guard, like you stated earlier.  I actually love the way he plays....however, I personally measure a true point guards numbers by assist/to ratio b/c of the "not scoring" mentality.  I actually like the way Jake plays but I have also seen some teams turn the heat up a bit and he loses his "normal" control.  I would have no problem putting him on the all conference team, I just dont know who he would replace.  

I am a huge fan of point guards though, I actually thought Raul Placares should have gotten POY last year and not Sidney.  However, Sidney was all american and therefore though to make a statement of not being POY but AA.  

One other thing I thought about, if we were factoring in a lot of intangibles, Jeremy Holliday would need to be considered.  His role is guarding the other teams best post player and get rebounds.  He does that very well....however he needs a haircut.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 06, 2006, 09:39:23 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 10:48:41 AM
My picks....

1st team: Monte Calloway, Maryville
                Allen White, Huntingdon
                Courtney Ellis, Fisk
                Marquis Patton, Fisk
                "Bradley Blair, Maryville"




Are you kidding me ohyeah! Bradely blair a first team player.  I love MC as much as the next guy but come one, he played good 3 games tops out of year.  Well, maybe hard is a better word.  But to slouch 15 games and play the other couple doesnt make him a first teamer get him off the list and put bobby or anyone else on there
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 06, 2006, 09:53:49 PM
ok, so i'm a little new to all of this, but based on everyone's picks and such, where do yall get the stats from?  are you looking at conference stats or overall stats?  and if you are just looking at conference stats, how did you find them?  all i seem to find is the overall stats on the team's webpages, except for fisk's that is.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2006, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 09:31:11 PM

One other thing I thought about, if we were factoring in a lot of intangibles, Jeremy Holliday would need to be considered.  His role is guarding the other teams best post player and get rebounds.  He does that very well....however he needs a haircut.

I agree. I like Holliday a lot. He is certainly one of those under appreciated, intangibles guys.

Maybe they should pick a 3rd team or recognize honorable mentions or something ... that would make the selection process a little easier.

It s/b interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2006, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 06, 2006, 09:29:43 PM
Their were probably two or three guys who had better numbers than I did but they didn't have I guess you should say that "X"factor how to win games especially the BIG ONES.. . No matter what my team was going to WIN... I for one think that is a big determining factor in judging players...
Some of the guys being considered here are combo guards like Adams and Mason...
   Everyone here makes valid points on different things but one thing in my mind when determining my picks was the Win-Lost factor...
  A "PLAYER" by definition gets it done and gets their team there no matter the Coaching situation...

Killer, there is nothing wrong with your Al Davis, "just win, baby" attitude. As a matter of fact, I like it.

You just have to realize, that's going to work out a whole lot better for you when you step into an established, winning program.

But it is not a realistic way of comparatively valuing different players in different situations. As Doug said, it is a team game.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 06, 2006, 09:39:23 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 10:48:41 AM
My picks....

1st team: Monte Calloway, Maryville
                Allen White, Huntingdon
                Courtney Ellis, Fisk
                Marquis Patton, Fisk
                "Bradley Blair, Maryville"




Are you kidding me ohyeah! Bradely blair a first team player.  I love MC as much as the next guy but come one, he played good 3 games tops out of year.  Well, maybe hard is a better word.  But to slouch 15 games and play the other couple doesnt make him a first teamer get him off the list and put bobby or anyone else on there


Bradley Blair has been the 2nd best player for Maryville since conference play started.  Once Lambert allowed him to start due to injury, he hoisted MC on his back and carried them to victories (except to Fisk).  Teams could also guard him and him only if they wanted with Bobby and Monte out and Bo throwing the ball out of every door in the gym.  I firmly believe Bradley Blair is a 1st team all conference player.  Just compare the numbers and show me someone that has been better, especially from the post side of things.  Also, there are still two conference games on MC's schedule.  Bradley could turn into the old Bradley and you wont even know he is there unless the light hits his bald spot just right, or he can continue to play well and show he belongs.  I cant wait to see how him and Bobby will play together though.  Maybe a tough team to stop.  Maybe, but not as tough as Bart Crain and Matt Ennen from years past!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 07, 2006, 02:29:29 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 06, 2006, 07:34:37 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 06, 2006, 03:29:11 PM

Mr. Green doesnt even have a 2-1 assist to TO ratio. 


A little info for you on assists to turnover ratios, ohyeah. Good luck in coming up with ten guys if you are going to set 2.0 as the minimum requirement. I did a little research on a few of the guys under consideration... we don't even have very many "in the black", more assists than turnovers.

Maryville:
Bo Mason 1.5
Monte Calloway 1.4
Bobby Golden 0.5
Bradley Blair 0.2

I suspect Bo's and Monte's good #s are due, at least in part, to Maryville's finely tuned "system". Fisk, Piedmont and LaGrange, for example, seem to get out in transition a little more ... a style that inherently produces some easy buckets, but also a few more T/Os.

Huntingdon:
Justin Babian 0.7
Cole Hairston 0.6
Allen White 0.5

Piedmont:
Jake Green 1.3
Mike Adams 0.9
Brent Walker 0.8
Jake Baldwin 0.5

LaGrange:
Corie Jackson 0.5
Demetris Render 0.2

Fisk:
Who knows? Another of my original points ...

We must have some guys fumbling a few passes in the GSAC. I can't believe it's all bad passes.

Or maybe the baseball analogy of expecting your shortstop to lead the team in errors holds up here. To translate ... maybe the guys in the thick of things, with the ball in their hands, making it happen ... can reasonably be expected to commit a few turnovers, as well.



since no one answered my question i did some of my own research... with these numbers in mind, i wouldn't say they are all accurate.  some of them may be close, but i have heard about huntingdon's stat keeper, and looking at their stat sheets, it's odd that a team that runs a princeton offense would have that few assists, as well as the teams they have played against at home.

i also think that with some of the recent discussion about stats and then the intangibles, that you may be leaving a couple guys unmentioned, and i notice it's from the teams who are not well represented, such as huntingdon and lagrange.  now although lagrange may not be in contention, huntingdon still is.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 07, 2006, 07:23:51 AM
To throw another question in the mix.   Who should be the GSAC Freshman of the Year?

Fisk had two freshmen -  Goldie Hall (from Nashville,TN) and Jeremy Rawls (from Peoria, IL)- to see some time on a team dominated by upperclassmen.  But are they worthy of FOY honors?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 07, 2006, 08:39:49 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 07, 2006, 07:23:51 AM
To throw another question in the mix.   Who should be the GSAC Freshman of the Year?


good question, there isn't really anyone that particularly stands out.  i think that if the anthony williams kid from huntingdon wasn't ineligible he would have been an easy nomination based on the amount of playing time he was seeing, but now that's irrelevant.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2006, 09:27:11 AM
You guys need to hold off on all the awards till next week, i have told you this, no coach likes players who don't listen and are not coachable.
As the Grubby One, a self proclaimed renaissance man of the GSAC, I will not discuss that topic till next week, but here is what i will discuss
Bradley Blair's bald spot, it is getting big, i think starting for the scots has increased his stress level, he needs to go ahead and call HRC and get his life, i mean hair back
Urban Myth stats are available on the teams websites or www.greatsouth.org
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 07, 2006, 09:35:55 AM
No Grubb, I am THE true Renaissance man of the GSAC board! 
I will not lay down my claim to any Grubby imposter to the title  ;D.

My claim: Former athlete, Poet and recent Nobel Peace Prize winner (self awarded of course) for negotiating the truce (or ending the feud - depending on what part of Tennesse you are from) between Maryville and Nashville... 

Fisk stats aren't on the Fisk  website.  They are in a locked vault in Coach Glover's office in the gym.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 07, 2006, 10:40:04 AM
haha wilburt, and thank you grubb, but i assume everyone is making their predictions based on conference stats rather than overall, correct?  that is how it works right?  i will not make any predictions myself just yet, but where can i find the conference stats alone?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2006, 10:52:21 AM
Wilburt we will have to settle this in a duel
If i get a chance to make it to the tourney we will have a showdown at a Golden Corral and winner gets the title.
I am a little bigger than when i played at maryville, no kris sigmund but close
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 07, 2006, 11:39:26 AM
Hey guys here are the FISK  stats for the 6 GSAC games played by Fisk to date, for the 4 players mentioned for ALL-GSAC consideration.  I got them from the other GSAC school's websites for their FISK games! I hope my math is correct, cause that was not my major in college.

Chris Adams:  (2 to 1) Assist to turnover ratio - 28 assists & 14 turnovers.  Averaging 4.6 assists per GSAC game and 11.0 pts per GSAC game (66 total pts).

Marquis Patton: (2 to 1) Assist to turnover ratio - 19 assists & 9 turnovers.  Averaging 3.1 assists per GSAC game and 14.1 pts per GSAC game (85 total pts).

Jeremiah Williamson: (1 to 1) Assist to turnover ratio - 21 assists & 21 turnovers.  Averaging 3.05 assists per GSAC game and 16.1 pts per GSAC game (97 total pts).

Courtney Ellis: Averaging 7.6 rebounds per GSAC game (46 total rebounds) and 12.1 pts per GSAC game (73 total pts).

Grubb anytime and anywhere my friend...

Forgot to add:  Fisk is averaging 89.16 points per GSAC game offensively (hit the century mark twice so far against GSAC teams) and the defense is only giving up an average of 79.6 points per GSAC game!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2006, 01:32:03 PM
urban myth - i'm too lazy to verify this for the gsac schools, but most schools that use a standard stats program have an option to differentiate overall and conference stats - if the gsac season box score doesn't allow this you have to manually calculate those numbers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2006, 02:15:50 PM
i will say that this is the first year of intrigue in the gsac and it is needed, the conference is only as great as the sum of its parts and as a whole its only great part has been maryville in past years
this year there is so much excitement i love it

Wilburt, i will do my best to make it down there

Andy Chaney for President
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 07, 2006, 03:24:25 PM
thank you narch, guess i will have to get to that.  i'll see if i can get lagrange's and huntingdon's stats up tonight, since the other three schools obviously have their own fan club.

the gsac has been pretty exciting this year, many close games.  big weekend coming up, i hope that i will be able to make it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 07, 2006, 03:39:40 PM
The GSAC would be even more intriguing and exciting if it could lure a couple more schools in men's bb   If there were ever to be an automatic qualification to the NCAA, should it be the tournament winner or the regular season winner?  If the former, should the tournament be at a neutral site?

All four of Fisk's players that William researched have pretty good stats, and all of them are reallly good players.

I am still interested in what y'all think of my earlier question:  does it matter for all conference whether all that talent produces a tournament winner?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 07, 2006, 03:53:33 PM
Doug why should it matter whether "all that talent" wins tournament?  We aren't selecting the All-Tournament team, but the All-Conference team, where the regular season should matter the most!

I do like the idea of having a neutral site once the GSAC gets an automatic bid.  I have always liked the idea of having Atlanta as that permanent place.  Finally, of course it should be the tourney winner who gets the automatic bid, otherwise why even have a tourney?  Unless you all want to go see some exhibition games at the end of the year ....  

Those are my thoughts...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 07, 2006, 04:12:11 PM
I agree.  But to do that we are going to have to get some more teams in the conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 07, 2006, 04:38:03 PM
my money is on Grubb in an eating contest, Killer in a dribbling contest, Old lion in a talking contest, Spencer Beatty in a whit contest and William in a race. 

Those are my all conference picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 07, 2006, 04:55:17 PM
Like the coach says in "Teen Wolf"....."look at it this way fellows, it will all be over in less than an hour."  (as he bites a hard boiled egg)  Someone give me an egg!  It has been a long year to say the least.  Underachieving would be an understatement.  I got time to quickly comment on a few things and hopefully bring about some other ponderings(that being thoughts not mannerisms of Oglethorpe's head man and LC alum Phil "Dollar Bill" Ponder).  We have three games left and then 10 days off before we play in the play in game of the GSAC tournament.  Don't worry I am not circling the wagons.  We are mathmatically out of reaching 3rd place no matter what happens.  I had someone tell me after the Huntingdon game that I should be very proud of the intensity my guys display, especially at this point of the season with only 6 wins.  I thanked him and then made peace with the fact that right now I believe we are doing all we can do and that we won't stop trying to get better until we take our last breath.  LC-PC generally gives a crowd friendly game unless you're a loud mouth that likes to yell at officials and the scoretable instead of watching the fastest paced game outside of teams that run "the system". The last three at Piedmont have come down to the wire with last year's OT barnburner and three years ago when Piedmont had got 3 shots in the last 12 seconds.  I remember after the buzzer sounded I was shocked that we held on to that one.  Mariotti is definitely a better place for us to play Maryville than Baird but the result has been the same no matter where we play.  Fisk is Fisk and you better take care of the ball and rebound or it is Good Night Lucile.  

I think it was OldLIon that said PC's top 1 or 2 were as good as their 7 or 8 and that because they were deep it was difficult to statistically stack up to others.  That is correct and I feel the same about our guys but is that better?  Maryville's top 3 are far better than there bottom 3 and they are as we all know very good.  Just wondering...Is it better to have 3 players better than anybody elses 3 or 10 better than anybody elses 10?  We will not get two teams into the national tournament, unfortunately.  I don't think that they will take two teams out of a five team conference instead of 2 from a 12 team conference, but I don't know.  I would love to see Fisk and Maryville both travel and win a first round game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 08, 2006, 12:21:32 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 07, 2006, 04:55:17 PM

IIs it better to have 3 players better than anybody elses 3 or 10 better than anybody elses 10?


I personally think it's better to just have your top 5 better than anybody else's top 5.   You can have two teams with an equal top 3, but their supporting cast, the other two guys on the court, are going to help greatly in who wins.  Hence the concept of "team".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 08, 2006, 08:00:35 AM
Pulling for two singers with Fisk connections:

Mandisa Hundley (Fisk Class of 2000) American Idol contestant this season, (not sure whether see will or had advanced) see link:

http://www.idolgohome.com/Oct15/american-idol-mandisa-hundley-060115.php

Beyonce Knowles, daughter of Mathew Knowles (Fisk Class of 1974) and former Fisk  basketball player.  Beyonce is up for several Grammys this evening, see link on bio:

http://comunidades.msn.es/dangerouslybeyonce/tinaknowles1.msnw
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 09:43:01 AM
Coach, keep up the good work at LC
I think it is better to have several players who are better than your bottom players, that way you know your coaching has had an effect on your players while they have been in your system and you know who to go to when the game in on the line i.e. Matt Ennen, Jeff McCord, Josh Tummel, Sidney Ellis, Raul Placeres, Monte Callloway, etc. for Maryville.  Lambert knows who to get the ball to and has known that every year for several years now.

I have to agree with the picks of ohyeah, that guy sure sees things straight

I also have to agree with Wilburt, i am pulling for Beyonce, and william i did meet her once and she asked about you?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 08, 2006, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 09:43:01 AM

I think it is better to have several players who are better than your bottom players, that way you know your coaching has had an effect on your players while they have been in your system and you know who to go to when the game in on the line.

Matt, well said. Unfortunately, that's not always the case. To some extent, you have to "play the hand that's dealt you".

But the consistently successful programs appear to put a lot of effort into developing that core group of "go to guys" you are referring to. Maybe sometimes it's just a matter of deciding who your "horses" are, and riding them as much as possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 08, 2006, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 07, 2006, 04:55:17 PM
  1) I had someone tell me after the Huntingdon game that I should be very proud of the intensity my guys display, especially at this point of the season with only 6 wins.

   2) LC-PC generally gives a crowd friendly game unless you're a loud mouth that likes to yell at officials and the scoretable instead of watching the fastest paced game outside of teams that run "the system".

   3)  I think it was OldLIon that said PC's top 1 or 2 were as good as their 7 or 8 and that because they were deep it was difficult to statistically stack up to others.  That is correct and I feel the same about our guys but is that better?  Maryville's top 3 are far better than there bottom 3 and they are as we all know very good.  Just wondering...Is it better to have 3 players better than anybody elses 3 or 10 better than anybody elses 10? 

1) I agree whole heartedly. I have a lot of respect for the intensity and effort you guys have brought every time I've seen you play.

2)  Agree again. Seems to me one of the main reasons Piedmont is improved over last year is that we've managed to dial up our intensity a bit ... more in keeping with LaGrange's level. It s/b an entertaining and hard fought contest tonight. And the "loud mouths" should have it a little easier than they did in LaGrange. At least they won't have to expend any energy trying to wake up the folks at the scorer's table. ;D Now the officials ... I'm making no promises there ... they seem to have been just as bad/inconsistent in Demorest as anywhere else.

3)  That's not exactly what I said, but I think you have the jest of it. What I was trying to say was that in our top 8 or so, I didn't  think there was all that much drop off in talent from the best to the worst.

You bring up an interesting discussion as to which of the two styles are preferable. Probably, there is not a definitive answer. I think what you have to do (re how you divvy up the minutes) is somewhat dictated by your talent ... i.e. you may feel you don't have a "top 3". And conversely, I also think how you choose to divvy up your minutes can be a factor that promotes or inhibits the development of a "top 3" ... or a "top few".

I've noticed that the typical distribution of minutes on most successful teams (yeah, I'm a stats geek) is a little different than what we've seen at PC or LC this season. Most really successful teams seem to follow a model something along the lines of ... maybe 3 guys around 30 mpg, maybe 2 or 3 more around 20+ or so, and 2 or 3 more in the mid to high teens ... as opposed to having 10 or 12 guys at or near double figure minutes. IMHO, this "PT model" tends to bring more stability to your team and engender the emergence of a core group (or "top few").

This is not meant as a criticism of anyone's coaching style (There is a military axiom that says the commander in the field, closest to the action, is best able to make the decisions.) It's just an observation of a trend I've noticed.

On the successful teams I'm familiar with, the critical competition has been to make the "top 7 or 8" ... as opposed to making the team or even making the starting lineup. I think we are seeing PC evolve a little more in that direction lately.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 11:42:29 AM
Old lion i think all coaches look for a player that is a coach on the floor and right now the best i have seen is Adams from Fisk, sans all his outbursts, if he lost those he would be a great player, but at the end of the day I would not want him on my team b/c who knows when he is going to get a technical or ejected and in the big time games you cannot afford that, and embarrassing himself after winning a conference game
Mason has the ability to evolve into that
Green from piedmont is pretty good at that
Raul was phenomenal at that, 2nd best the gsac has ever seen
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 08, 2006, 12:31:30 PM
For those interested our SID, who does a fantastic job, put our conference only stats on the website.  The only difference in our guys is about 3 extra points a night for Jackson, everybody else is about on average with the total games.  My first two years we had a core of 7 guys that played all the minutes and we have developed into a more equal ability group.  I like playing with more folks.  I feel like it helps our style of play but it opens us up to more mistakes throughout the course of the game.  Rationale; if everyone makes 2 mistakes and you play 7 guys = 14.....if everyone makes 2 mistakes and you play 11 guys = 22.   I have learned to deal with hustle mistakes and errors that occur when guys are just playing hard and try too much or run past a play, which we do quite often, but we still demand perfection.  When perfection fails we just need somebody to get an offensive put back or take a charge.

I must add one thing.  Go Vols!  I don't know if any of you know that I grew up in TN and went to TN Basketball camps for four summers when Wade Houston was coaching the Vols.  I had to be a KY fan because the Vols just didn't do it for me.  Now I can officially pronounce my support for Big Orange Hoops!  I loved Pearl's orange blazer last night. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 08, 2006, 12:57:20 PM
Coach Haynes I would love for you to see you wear one of those red blazers Saturday?? Possibility??
  As much as you might think your struggling I believe you are a point guard away from being an 17 to 18 win program every year..... See you Saturday!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 08, 2006, 01:07:13 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 09:43:01 AM

I think it is better to have several players who are better than your bottom players, that way you know your coaching has had an effect on your players while they have been in your system and you know who to go to when the game in on the line

Matt,

Here's another proponent of your viewpoint ...

"Hmmm ... all this "everyone is equal" stuff isn't working out nearly as well as we had hoped it would ..."
--  Mikhail Gorbachev --
     Circa 1985
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 02:11:15 PM
Way to go coach
he is the 2nd greatest bball mind in East TN, behind lambert of course
I used to go to those camps too, i wonder if you use to pick on me? I think i got retribution. j/k
Pearl Jam is on fire here, knoxville is going crazy
Bruce Almighty has really sold the UT fans and they wanted to be sold for so long, Lofton played a great game, i would call it Monte Callowayesque
Coach Haynes, you need a bright red blazer
Now is Tennessee can win the SEC and MC can win the gsac, the world will be a better place
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 08, 2006, 02:18:13 PM
Nice article on Pearl and UT's success:

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060204/SPORTS0601/602040365/1345/SPORTS

Interesting how the 2005-06 sports season has turned out.
Vanderbilt beats UT in football and Fisk beats Murvul in basketball.   Go Nashville ...

Coach Haynes do you have a houndstooth hat to go with the Red Blazer?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 02:45:52 PM
Wilburt i like your style, if coach haynes doesn't i will get him one to wear for the tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 08, 2006, 03:19:38 PM
tO THE mc Wild Animal I saw you passed by the room and left som love!!haha

  Hey just wanted La Grange and the Hawks know that the Scots have a big surprise coming for them!!! And I'm not telling... Only Matt Grubby knows......

    :D ;D 8) :P :-*
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2006, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 08, 2006, 02:18:13 PM

Interesting how the 2005-06 sports season has turned out.
Vanderbilt beats UT in football and Fisk beats Murvul in basketball....

Signs of the end-times? ? ?  ??? ;) :)   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 05:03:15 PM
That is b/c the Grubby one is wise beyond his years
Grubb 4 life
This weekend is going to be great for Maryville I hope, but i think what is in the best overall interest for the gsac is not exactly in maryville's best interest, catch my drift?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2006, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 05:03:15 PM
This weekend is going to be great for Maryville I hope, but i think what is in the best overall interest for the gsac is not exactly in maryville's best interest, catch my drift?

Matt, I think that Maryville has not had anyone to push them.  They hit the real competition in the NCAA Tourney and cannot quite shift into that next gear in time...close losses to John Carroll (2004) and Hanover (2003), not to mention failure to defend home court vs. Mississippi College in 2005.  You have held your own against the ODAC, but the South is still weaker than the Great Lakes and the Midwest Regions.

Travel safely!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 08, 2006, 11:02:09 PM
It's gotta be good for the long run health of the current GSAC and for its national competitiveness for Maryville to get challenged regularly, even if it is not a lot of fun for us Scots fans.  And it can't hurt trying to lure some other schools into the GSAC for it to be a stronger conference (unless schools would shy away from good and who really wants that).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 09, 2006, 07:35:09 AM
2006 South Region Rankings

1. Mississippi College 17-1 19-1
2. Trinity (Texas) 12-2 16-5
3. Virginia Wesleyan 18-3 19-3
4. Fisk 9-2 14-7
5. Howard Payne 15-3 16-3
6. Randolph-Macon 14-5 17-5
7. Southwestern 12-4 16-5
8. Maryville (Tenn.) 13-5 17-5

Ralph Turner you are so correct in your opinion about the GSAC and Maryville.  Many from East Tennessee bemoan the fact that Fisk underachieves at times. I think someone said we should be unbeatable with the talent we have. Well if we played some of the other GSAC team's schedules perhaps we would be!  For reasons I need not go into here, Fisk does play a tougher schedule than most of the GSAC which can take its toll on you at times. 

As an aside, IMHO Fisk, Maryville and the entire  GSAC would have a tough time in the ASC (either division) much less versus the teams in the Midwest/Great Lakes Regions...     Imagine playing Mississippi College twice a year, year in and out  :o 


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 09, 2006, 11:10:28 AM
Two years ago I tried to buy a Panther red blazer in Danville, KY but unfortunately my wife wouldn't let me.  Killa kill, I know your surprise and if we had a PG like you 17 or 18 wins would be a let down.  Our players are fine by me, it's just their mistakes that get under my skin on occasion.  I never picked on anyone at basketball camp.  I did get my little debbies stolen from me by Dontonio Wingfield, later to play at Cincinnati, then Portland Trail Blazers, then Federal Prison.  I should have seen that coming.

Hopefully Corie Jackson played himself onto the all conference team last night at PC.  7 of 7 from 3 in the second half plus 3 free throws to tie the game after being fouled on a three.  We pulled our usual play dead for about 8 minutes int he second half so we get down double digits and then played our butts in the last 6.  Jake Green hit a pull up off the glass with about 2.5 left and we had a decent 40 foot shot at the buzzer.  About as decent as a 40 footer gets I guess.  Coach Glenn and I were talking before the game and we brought the fact that the biggest thing we are teaching is decision making.  We had some bad decisions.  I think the biggest part of last night was that PC has a couple of kids that aren't afraid of making a play and they made a couple big ones in the last 2 minutes. 

What happens if MC and FU get tripped up this weekend on their trip to the zoo to see the Panthers and the Hawks?  Don't get me wrong.  I want them both to make the tournament and win at least one game.  Shoot, put them opposite each other in the final four, BUT that won't keep me from having my guys ready to correct the errors from the first time we played them and pull off the upset.  I haven't talked with Coach Duckworth lately but I am pretty sure he wants to win as well.  This kind of intrigue is awesome for our conference.  A final weekend that not only decides conference seeding but the post season fate of a couple of teams.  Now this is what conference basketball is supposed to be like. Now if we only had enough teams for an AQ, but we have beaten that horse enough.  I hope we are able to maintain this for years to come.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 09, 2006, 11:15:07 AM
So, if William is correct, which I think he is, why is it that the ASC (incl. Mississippi College) can get better talent in D3 than the  GSAC schools?  I do not think the coaching in the GSAC is in any way inferior, so it might be the players!

Ralph?  Pat?  All y'all?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2006, 11:58:35 AM
Fisk lost last night at Martin Methodist
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 09, 2006, 12:55:01 PM
Two more days and I get to see my good old buddy Coach Haynes... Although he won't be wearing the red blazer I suggested I would love to see how long it takes him to take off  his coat.. Over n under is 10 minutes??
    Any takers?? ..lol...just playing...
It will be interesting to see if LaGrange can put themselves in the same situation they did here against the Scots but at home..A chance to win??...
  Good luck to all this weekend a lot is at stake....

Old Lion how about that kid Jake Green?? ;)
P.S. The second coming of Placeres might be coming to a D3 near you...Watch out!!

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 09, 2006, 11:15:07 AM
So, if William is correct, which I think he is, why is it that the ASC (incl. Mississippi College) can get better talent in D3 than the  GSAC schools?  I do not think the coaching in the GSAC is in any way inferior, so it might be the players!

Ralph?  Pat?  All y'all?

Scottiedoug, we have so many Scholarship programs in Texas where good players do not get the playing time that they want and so will come to D3.

Mississippi as a state has great juco programs to develop basketball talent.

The ASC has worked on breaking the mystique of "duh, I got a atheletic skolarship" that may not be as good as the financial package or quality education as might be the case at an ASC school.  The successes and visibility of the NCAA at D3 have helped in some cases, McMurry especially.  McMurry has many more sports in D3, and successful programs at that, than they did in the NAIA.  UMHB and ETBU have done it by adding football as part of the college experience.  I believe that TLU is glad to have football back. I cannot speak about the experience at Louisiana College.

I think that the GSAC is 2-3 men's schools away from breaking thru to the next level.  A good run by "anybody-but-Maryville" would start to signal that the GSAC is not a (Maryville) "one-trick-pony".    I think that is how real respect is earned.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 09, 2006, 01:33:29 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 09, 2006, 11:10:28 AM

Hopefully Corie Jackson played himself onto the all conference team last night at PC.  7 of 7 from 3 in the second half plus 3 free throws to tie the game after being fouled on a three. 

He gets my vote! That maybe the best individual performance I've seen all year. We had our best defender on him the 2nd half and we couldn't come close to slowing him down. I've admired Jackson's all-around play for two years now. I've heard him decsribed as the best on the ball defender in the GSAC, and I agree. And now with the way he's shooting the ball ... yeah, I'd say he's all conference.

Coach Haynes, great effort by LaGrange. Everyone talks about Huntingdon's defense (which is good) but I think you guys are the best defensive team in the GSAC.
With Jackson (and others) all over our PGs and everyone else in the passing lanes ... heck, against you guys there are no passing lanes. It's a wonder we had "only" 18 turnovers ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 09, 2006, 01:44:40 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 09, 2006, 12:55:01 PM

Old Lion how about that kid Jake Green?? ;)
P.S. The second coming of Placeres might be coming to a D3 near you...Watch out!!

 

Killer, it was a war! We had a lead for most of the game until Corie Jackson went off on us in the 2nd half.

It took 3 huge shots in the final minute or so for us to win it. First Adams hit a 3, then Adcock hit a 3, and then Green hit the pull-up jumper at the end. Since it was against LaGrange, you know they were all over us!

Great game!

The second coming of Placeres? That's a pretty strong statement ...  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 09, 2006, 01:54:43 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 09, 2006, 11:10:28 AM
Hopefully Corie Jackson played himself onto the all conference team last night at PC.

I agree, Corie Jackson is a hell of a player.  Great on ball defender, plus a great scorer when his shot is on, which is sounds like it was last night. 

Quote from: old_lion on February 09, 2006, 01:33:29 PM
Everyone talks about Huntingdon's defense (which is good) but I think you guys are the best defensive team in the GSAC.

not too sure how you can say that one?  Lagrange's defense is definitely a tough one to play against, very pressure oriented, but when Huntingdon is ranked second in the nation in defensive fg% (possibly first once it's updated because of what their stat sheet says their defensive fg% was tuesday), i find your statement a hard one to make.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2006, 02:12:51 PM
Second coming of Placeres, that is not a strong statement at all
Raul would have been a much better player if he had had hair.  After his hair fell out he lost all confidence and his game went south.

It would be tough for anybody in D3 to be a better on the ball defender than Monte Calloway.

maryville is currently in a recruiting battle for a great point guard with some top notch D3 schools, hope we get him.
Coach Haynes, i hope this is not your year, not b/c i don't like you b/c i do, but i like Randy a little more, he has aged with grace

Wilburt, it was a tough one for fisk last night, hopefully they will bounce back this weekend for your sake, but if they don't that will be great for maryville and the teams they play,

Have i mentioned how awesome this weekend is going to be, this scheduling has played out perfect, good job to whoever planned it.

Killer you need to lock it up this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 09, 2006, 04:17:19 PM
I would put Corie on the ball full court on anybody in the country.  He even gave that Placeres kid a problem a couple of games.  In the half court his 5'7 frame can be a disadvantage.  He makes me glad I am not a point guard. 

Our defense may be more difficult to play against than Huntingdon but we give up too much easy stuff. Check our season stats: 50%FG Defense.  Not going to win many ballgames doing that and we are living proof. 

I have a hard time believing Killa could lock it up in just a weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 09, 2006, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 09, 2006, 01:54:43 PM


Quote from: old_lion on February 09, 2006, 01:33:29 PM
Everyone talks about Huntingdon's defense (which is good) but I think you guys are the best defensive team in the GSAC.


not too sure how you can say that one?  Lagrange's defense is definitely a tough one to play against, very pressure oriented, but when Huntingdon is ranked second in the nation in defensive fg% (possibly first once it's updated because of what their stat sheet says their defensive fg% was tuesday), i find your statement a hard one to make.

OK Urban, you are probably right ... I stand corrected. It's just that LaGrange's aggressiveness greatly impresses me every time we play them. Let me modify my statement and use Coach Haynes' phrase ... let's say they are very difficult to play against.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2006, 05:09:37 PM
Well let's be honest amongst friends here, if the old saying holds true, Defense wins championships and HC's D really is the best in the country, from my experience, which is long and distinguished, there D is the best advantage any team has going into the GSAC tourney, b/c that is when making shots is tough
It is not like shooting percentages go up in the tournaments, i will be honest, mine went way up, but then again I am the Grubby one.
So with that said, if HC has the #1 ranked D in the country and it is legit, like no pensacola christian schools having 28 points in 2 games against HC, then i will say it right here right now, Allen White POY and HC gsac tourney champs.  There it is, is anyone from HC willing to stand behind that statement and second it b/c the grubb threw it out there, The Grubb loves defense oriented teams come tourney time that is why he loves the fighting scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 09, 2006, 11:32:57 PM
Grubby one,

Your hair used to grow during tourney time as well, not just your shooting %.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2006, 09:22:58 AM
At least i still have hair
Massy ratings
48. Maryville
59. Fisk
176 Piedmont
277 Lagrange
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 10, 2006, 02:19:37 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 11:42:29 AM
Old lion i think all coaches look for a player that is a coach on the floor and (1)right now the best i have seen is Adams  from Fisk, sans all his outbursts, if he lost those he would be a great player, but at the end of the day I would not want him on my team b/c who knows when he is going to get a technical or ejected and in the big time games you cannot afford that, and embarrassing himself after winning a conference game
(2)Mason has the ability to evolve into that
(3)Green from piedmont is pretty good at that
(4)Raul was phenomenal at that, 2nd best the gsac has ever seen

Matt,

1) Not quite with you on that one. I think you are both, being too hard on Chris (I'd take him on my team in a heart beat. Someone just needs to help him learn to reign in that intensity. That's coaching.) and rating him too highly( I don't know that I'd take him over Bo or Jake.) I'd love to have all three of them. They would give you great depth at the 1 and 2 ... and I think they would be great on the floor together under certain circumstances.

Wouldn't you love to have a "composite player" combining the best features of those three guys? If such a player existed, we wouldn't be discussing him here. He wouldn't be in the GSAC.

2), 3), and 4)   Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2006, 02:34:07 PM
I agree with you Old lion i am tough, but when it is Feb. of your senior season, you don't really get anymore coaching
And i was a little too polite to raul, he was good for a bald guy
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 10, 2006, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 10, 2006, 02:34:07 PM
when it is Feb. of your senior season, you don't really get anymore coaching


Good point ... maybe some "behavorial modification" actions should have been taken over the last couple of years ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 10, 2006, 04:21:51 PM
Last night one of the Lady Vols got a T for "exhuberance" when she scored over a LSU player and got in her face running her mouth.  UT lost by 3.   It was one of UT's best players (a soph).  I bet she does not ever do that again as long as Pat Summitt is her coach.

Chris did not seem to get his behavior modified before near the end of his senior season. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 10, 2006, 07:14:30 PM
Ill take the under on the Haynes and his jacket
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 11, 2006, 08:49:59 AM
I should let you guys know that I didn't remove jacket one time at Piedmont on Wednesday.  Of course that was because that place is an ice box, a very nice ice box, but an ice box none the less.  Where has the season gone?  Last two games this weekend for the Panthers untill the tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 11, 2006, 09:04:23 AM
I wake up this morning and I am shock to see that Mr.Grubb has chosen to make fun of my lack of hair on my head, and it has really hurt my feelings..lol...jk...
Well Mr.Grubb I have a question for you... Are you currently dating guys or girls? ;)..jk...
  Good luck to all this weekend...

Adams is the most complete point guard in the conference...
  Coach Haynes for Mayor!!

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2006, 11:39:29 AM
Hey Grubb, you rubbed my picture lately.  Two games this weekend after not playing this entire week?  I might be sniffing some fatigue.  But i agree with you Raul,  Adams is more complete than bo but hey he wont be there next year and bo will still be hanging around.  I like that about Bo.  He needs to be able to hit the big shot that he has differed to monte or bobby (mainly monte) in the close games this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2006, 11:44:42 AM
This might seem like counting my chickens but next year i could almost assure you that MC will not only finish at the top of the GSAC but be ranked in the top 20 in the country.  Sure we lost be shot monte and the president but hey, look who we still got.  Bo at the PG with JJ on the wing.  You can quote me but next year the most improved player with be Q.  and bobby and bradley and jerms down low. all i can say is..."dang"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 11, 2006, 02:39:49 PM
Huntingdon leads Fisk 20-15 w/8 minutes left in fist half. Phillips for HC and Williamson for Fisk ejected for an altercation. Wells for Fisk ejected for leaving bench. Announcers say it has been very physical game with refs letting alot of contact go uncalled.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 11, 2006, 02:41:57 PM
Correction, thats Adams instead of Williamson ejected for Fisk. Apparently Adams threw an elbow while fighting through a Phillips pick and Phillips retaliated.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 11, 2006, 03:00:54 PM
Huntingdon leads 39-28 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 03:52:47 PM
Is that game broadcast on the Net or just your local radio?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 11, 2006, 03:59:11 PM
Internet. HC leads 67-56 just over a minute left.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 11, 2006, 04:00:41 PM
Looks like Fisk will lose to Huntingdon today.  Fisk is down by 11 with over a minute to go in the game. Fisk went w/o a basket for over 4 minutes late in the 2nd half. Congrats to the Hawks and to Coach Duckworth.  Allen White is definitely POY...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 11, 2006, 04:06:40 PM
Phillips for HC and Adams for FU won't be playing in tomorrow games, because of the ejections.  72-58 loss to HC...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 11, 2006, 04:07:26 PM
Hawks win! WTG Hawks! HC 72- Fisk 58. Fisk started 2nd half with 13-0 run but went 5+ minutes near end without scoring until a basket with a few seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 11, 2006, 04:11:42 PM
Fellas that Hawks defense is VERY, VERY impressive...

I didn't realize that this was Huntingdon's very first victory against Fisk.  Again, congratulations to the Huntingdon fans.  Good game.  See you in the GSAC tourney...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 05:01:13 PM
Big game tomorrow!  Huntingdon can give Maryville their second loss on the Hawks' quest for "Tri-Champs".

Congratulations to Coach Duckworth and the Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2006, 10:02:50 PM
That is a tough loss for fisk.  WE were talking like the GSAC may get 2 teams in the big dance and at this point i would say we are now leaning towards more like 0 teams getting in a bit disappointing.  I congratluate huntingdon and coach duckworth on their great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
I think we should give huntingdon some dap but we should be scratching our heads on this one.  Im not sure any of the GSAC teams can find the consistency to fortify there place at the dance much less make a run at some of the big guns.  I do take back my previous comment and if maryville or fisk win out and with the conference tourney they will get in the dance
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2006, 10:09:17 PM
Can i get some karma for the bob marley pic
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 11, 2006, 10:52:16 PM
The Huntingdon program is definitely one that is on the rise in Division III basketball.  In a few short years, Coach Duckworth has turned this program around and not only done it quickly, but while in transition to D-3 and now a solid member of the GSAC.  The Hawks beat Fisk today 72-58 and have now won 9 of their last 11 games on the season and have won 10 of 11 at home this year.  Maryville is in town tomorrow and it could be another great game in the GSAC.  Does Huntingdon have it in them to turn in two great performances in two days?  We shall see.  By the way, Fisk only shot 29% from the field in the contest today.  Another defensive lockdown by the Hawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 12, 2006, 09:11:23 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
I think we should give huntingdon some dap but we should be scratching our heads on this one.  Im not sure any of the GSAC teams can find the consistency to fortify there place at the dance much less make a run at some of the big guns.  I do take back my previous comment and if maryville or fisk win out and with the conference tourney they will get in the dance

I agree with you 100% Mr. Beaty.  I think I can point to the reason.  As a Fisk fan, it is difficult for me to say this, but Chris Adams has been a Big disappointment to me this season.  I expected more leadership and maturity from a Fisk senior.  Particularly late in the season, when the intensity level rises and guard play is most important, he is in the locker room when his team needs him the most.   Part of me just wants the season to end, as I have grown tired and embarrassed by much of his tantrums and antics.   Playing hard is not an excuse for some his actions.  Don't get me wrong I like the guy, and am glad that he attends my alma mater, but at some point you just have to grow up!  Maybe Fisk  will perform consistently next season when Marquis Patton (presumably) takes over as PG joined by some new recruits.

To Griffcoach22:  I agree that the Huntingdon program is on the rise.  That's great for the GSAC, but I don't think that you can say that Coach Duckworth has done it quickly.  What's it been, at least 4 or 5 years?  With due respect, I would not consider that a quick turnaround.  That sounds about a normal time for a basketball turnaround to me. Nonetheless, Good Luck to the Hawks this afternoon against Maryville!  What would we do with a 3-way tie for First Place?  I'm pulling for that now, along with Allen White for POY... 

I am hereby resuming my lurking status.  I will be back to post after the GSAC tourney, when I will hopefully meet most of you guys in Montgomery!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 12, 2006, 09:40:28 AM
Big game for Da Ville today... 3 Way tie???  :o.. Coach Bell got his 100th win yesterday.. Congrats to him and his team (which is my team too) ;D..
  1st Team All Conference Selections....
              Allen White...Marquis Patton...Monte Calloway...Bobby Golden.. Jeremiah Williamson
  2nd Team: The kid from LaGrange (Jackson) really impressed me yesterday.. Bo Mason..Bradley Blair..Courtney Ellis and someone from Piedmont...
  Adams with his antics is out of my top 10... It has been a constant thing with him for two years.....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2006, 01:50:13 PM
"Adams from Fisk, sans all his outbursts, if he lost those he would be a great player, but at the end of the day I would not want him on my team b/c who knows when he is going to get a technical or ejected and in the big time games you cannot afford that, and embarrassing himself after winning a conference game"-the Grubby One

I stick by my story, I did say this on page 40, and yes, thank you i am a prophet just send all of your valentine's presents to my office in Maryville
I was being tough on him, and i know he reads this stuff and I hoped it would help him out, but why listen to a former POY, what would they know

Congrats to HC on your first win over fisk, I bet none of your players threw the ball at the scoreboard and Allen White coming up big, good job, it is day 2 of the big weekend

Wilburt we will miss you

Andy Chaney for President
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2006, 02:24:12 PM
This Chris Adams situation is distressing.  He is a really good basketball player but of no use in the locker room.   I do not want to start a big row, but is there not some sense in which his coaches have some responsibility for "helping" him "get it" about this being a team game and not a "don't ****with me" contest?

Maybe Phillips said or did something that "deserved" a response, but the response ought to have been to help his team win the game.  Three hard years of this talented group not getting to the NCAA and then perhaps throwing it away for behavior that in effect disrespects the Fisk team and its work together.

Pat Summitt benched Alexis Hornbuckle for her outofcontrol actions against LSU.  And as far as I know, it was her first offense.  Somebodies at LaGrange heckled Andrea Plemons in some offensive way and she responded by scoring 30 points in 23 minutes. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 12, 2006, 05:23:19 PM
Look for our soon-to-be president andy chaney to have a big game against huntingdon
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2006, 06:17:26 PM
How bout them Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2006, 06:37:08 PM
Congratulations to Coach Duckworth and the Huntingdon Hawks in their victory over Maryville.

HC 73, Murvul 67.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2006, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 12, 2006, 06:17:26 PM
How bout them Hawks!

And LaGrange over Fisk too ... wow! Way to go Panthers.

You guys have been busting your butts all year ... you deserve to pull one out.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2006, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 10, 2006, 02:19:37 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 11:42:29 AM
Old lion i think all coaches look for a player that is a coach on the floor and (1)right now the best i have seen is Adams  from Fisk, sans all his outbursts, if he lost those he would be a great player, but at the end of the day I would not want him on my team b/c who knows when he is going to get a technical or ejected and in the big time games you cannot afford that

Matt,
1) Not quite with you on that one. I think you are both, being too hard on Chris (I'd take him on my team in a heart beat. Someone just needs to help him learn to reign in that intensity. That's coaching.) and rating him too highly( I don't know that I'd take him over Bo or Jake.)

Matt,
I apologize ... obviously, you are a man of vision.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 13, 2006, 09:52:24 AM
Old Lion I am the Grubby One, thanks
Wow Fisk loses two and MC loses 1
Congrats to HC, i think all of our questions were answered
What a weekend
Now i don't think the gsac will get a tourney team at all
just a thought
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 13, 2006, 10:39:16 AM
Some teams will make the NCAA tournament frpm Pool B.  There are not a lot of better choices even with this weekend than some team from the GSAC.  If MC, HC, or Fisk wins the GSAC tourney, I'd think they'd get a bid. 

Ralph...I suspect you have an opinion???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 13, 2006, 10:46:50 AM
Ralph:  Never mind.  I just read your thoughts on this on the Bumblin' B board.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 13, 2006, 10:58:19 AM
Ok, my new conference picks

1st team - Monte Calloway (MC), Bobby Golden (MC), Jeremiah Williamson (FU), Cole Hairston (HC), Allen White (HC)

2nd team - Bo Mason (MC), Courtney Ellis (FU), Corrie Jackson (LC), Marquis Patton (FU), Jake Baldwin (PC)


Poy - Allen White (HC)
Coy - Ducworth (HC)
Foy -   ?


I decided to go with Jake Baldwin from Piedmont even though he got hung on a dunk at Maryville and looked like an idiot.  Not as bad as Bradley Blair against King though.  Also, Bradley played his way out of All Conference this weekend and reverted back to the old Bradley.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 13, 2006, 11:06:25 AM
Well, now that was a conference weekend.  This weekends games were great for our conference in that it provided competition from top to bottom.  The bottom of course being us, but thank the Lord that we didn't go 0'for the conference.  We really needed a win and somehow got one.   Our starting tandem finally decided to play well on the same day and it was nice to send our senior out with a victory at home.  This weekend also could be bad for our conference in that now it is no longer clear what will happen with our post season representation.  I think that the GSAC tourney becomes even more important after these events.  Although somethings aren't settled, it is settled that we will face off against Piedmont on the 23rd.  We have a lot of time to decide which team will show up for us before then.  I just hope it is the right one.  
The GSAC All Conference teams will be the most contested yet.  I know I will do a lot of analysis for my picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 13, 2006, 12:00:27 PM
What a weekend it was.. It went from being a possible Fisk vs Maryville final to a potential Fisk vs Maryville semi-final that is of course if Huntingdon wins the coin flip..
Congrats to the Hawks and also to Coach Haynes and their big wins this weekend...
  By the way I think Allen White locked up the player of the year award...
It has been tough to swallow the Scots latest defeats in the conference.. NOT ENOUGH PRIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Congrats to Dee Bell on his 100th and to Coach Beaty and his 10-1 JV team.. Is it possible for them to get a pool C bid??jk...
  I will See everyone in Alabama.. Good luck!
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 13, 2006, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 13, 2006, 12:00:27 PM
What a weekend it was.. It went from being a possible Fisk vs Maryville final to a potential Fisk vs Maryville semi-final that is of course if Huntingdon wins the coin flip.. 

You are jumping the gun there, Killer ... there's no coin toss required, yet.

Conf. Region Overall
School W L Pct W L Pct W L Pct
Maryville (Tenn.) 6 2 .750 14 6 .700 18 6 .750
Huntingdon 5 2 .714 9 6 .600 16 7 .696
Fisk 5 3 .625 9 4 .692 14 10 .583
Piedmont 2 5 .286 8 7 .533 13 10 .565
LaGrange 1 7 .125 5 14 .263 7 17 .292
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 13, 2006, 12:41:11 PM
it is hard to swallow, but winning all of your games in a tough conference leads to the national respect MC is looking for, congrats to coach haynes beating Fisk, could not have happened to a nicer guy
Allen White POY, no doubt
and i like HC in the tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 13, 2006, 03:51:40 PM
I have been in a state of depression all of last night.. My Scots have disappointed me!! :'(...
Oh Yea aka "Moneymaker"... your picks are good but here are mine...
   1st Team: Allen White
                   Monte Calloway
                   Bobby Golden
                   Marquis Patton
                   Jeremiah Williamson
   2nd Team: Bo Mason
                    Jake Baldwin
                   Corey Jackson
                   Courtney Ellis
                   Bradley Blair
POY: Allen White
COY: Coach Duckworth

Chris Adams although probably the most talented player in the GSAC does nto make it because of his antics.. I love his game but if he could keep his head in the game he would probbaly be a consideration for POY...

    Talking about streaks... Will there be a new GSAC champion aside from Fisk and Maryville? Will the Scots not make the tourney? Some question for theposts members

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 13, 2006, 04:31:33 PM
with that many in region losses i can't see the scots in the tourney
Look at the win streak HC is on, the tourney is for teams that are hot and with their nationally ranked defense the Hawks have to be the favorite for the GSAC tourney and allen white really earned POY this weekend, he answered all questions, while i don't think he is better than Calloway, Monte just did not have the opportunity to earn the award, He is still a definite 1st teamer though

I agree with Adams not getting any awards though, He was not there when his team needed him most, if he grows up between now and the tourney Fisk may win the tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 13, 2006, 04:48:52 PM
What a weekend... All I have to say is congrats to everyone, and it will be very interesting come conference tournament.  Coin flip???  Big game for Huntingdon, and it is Peidmont's senior day.  Has everyone won on their senior day so far?

Here are the stats I promised from Huntingdon's top 3 scorers:

                                              Pts          Reb          FG%          3FG%

Allen White   (overall)                16.7         4.3           49.0           35.3
                   (conference)         20.9         4.7           48.3           40.0

Cole Hairston   (overall)             12.6         6.3           58.5           20.0
                    (conference)       13.7         6.3           59.3            0.0

Justin Babian   (overall)              12.3         4.5           47.3           47.9
                    (conference)        16.4         5.7           54.8           56.4


POY:  Allen White
COY: Tony Duckworth
FOY:  No Idea

All Conference 1st Team:        Allen White
                                          Monte Calloway
                                          Bobby Golden
                                          Jeremiah Williamson
                                          Justin Babian or Cole Hairston

All Conference 2nd Team:        Bo Mason
                                          Courtney Ellis
                                          Cole Hairston or Justin Babian (if they beat Peidmont)
                                          Corey Jackson
                                          Marquis Patton
                                          Jake Baldwin (if they beat Huntingdon)

most of you had 4 players from Maryville and 1 from Huntingdon, which puzzles me IF Huntingdon becomes regular season co-champions.  Bradley Blair just doesn't impress me that much.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 13, 2006, 05:32:03 PM
I'll be putting my "two cents worth" in on the all-GSAC selections after the final conference game on Wednesday.

In the meantime, I'd like to put a dissenting opinion out there. The consensus seems to be that Courtney Ellis is a lock.

Before the season, I would have agreed. Now I beg to differ. He seems to be benefiting greatly from some pre-conceptions. Consider the facts ...

Coming into the season, most would have said he was one of the top five players in the league. But he has definitely under achieved vs. expectations. For the alleged "best low post player" in a league with a shortage of good low post players, to be scoring only 11 ppg and shooting only 46% from the field and only 48% from the line ... well that's not very impressive. Especially with Fisk having all those good guards to get him the ball.

I'm not bad mouthing the kid. I'd certainly take him on my (regular season) team. But ... if someone gave me the task of taking 10 GSAC guys and going to play some other conferences ... well, I'm not sure Ellis would be among them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 13, 2006, 05:43:06 PM
old-lion, you make a good point.  i was unaware of his stats, and if they are what you say they are, i take back my 2nd team predictions and put baldwin as a lock instead of only if they beat huntingdon.

the final gsac game will determine the outcome of several things....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 13, 2006, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 13, 2006, 05:32:03 PM
For the alleged "best low post player" in a league

Golden easily has my vote.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 13, 2006, 10:16:21 PM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 13, 2006, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 13, 2006, 05:32:03 PM
For the alleged "best low post player" in a league

Golden easily has my vote.

Golden is certainly a good choice.

I just don't understand why Brent Walker  doesn't get more consideration. He has to be the most versitile big man in the GSAC.

His credentials ...
* 8.8 ppg - he is one of 8 guys scoring 6 or more ppg in
   PC's balanced attack
* 8.3 rpg - tops in the GSAC
* 2.4 assists - tops among post players
* 2.3 steals - 2nd in the GSAC behind Allen White
* no stats available, but he also draws a lot of charges

This guy needs some recognition!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 13, 2006, 10:35:44 PM
I think all the doubters of Huntingdon can throw away those doubts now.  This program is here to stay.  With a great offensive system and incredible TEAM defense, this is a program that can be at the top of the league for years to come.  Allen White HAS to be player of the year in the league and no matter what happens the rest of the way, Tony Duckworth HAS to be coach of the year. 

If Huntingdon or Maryville wins the conference, I think they will get a pool B bid to the tournament.  Time will tell.

Go Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 13, 2006, 11:39:46 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 13, 2006, 10:35:44 PM
I think all the doubters of Huntingdon can throw away those doubts now.  This program is here to stay.  With a great offensive system and incredible TEAM defense, this is a program that can be at the top of the league for years to come. 

Griff,

I share your enthusiasm for what HC has been able to accomplish this year. I have friends in the HC program and I'm happy for you guys.

But its not exactly a surprise. Your top seven (Cole and the 6 seniors) have been together and key players for 3 years now. This was supposed to be HC's year.

But ... I don't know about that "on top for years to come" stuff ... 6 of those 7 are seniors ...

Have you already put together a great recruiting class for next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 14, 2006, 09:15:18 AM
I will agree that coach duckworth has a good system, i have liked watching them play since he has been there but, with 6 seniors it is hard to say that a program is here to stay, look at Oklahoma state, not quite the same team this year.  But i think HC will be a team to compete for the title every 2 or 3 years at this rate and maybe in time every year.
People don't realize how much work it took for Lambert to get MC where it is at, he did go to an elite 8 in 1992, sweet 16s in 2000 and 2003, but in the 90's he went to the NCAA tourney about every other year until the end of the decade.  It took the arrival of Jacob Deal to get him to the heights he is at today.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 14, 2006, 09:24:33 AM
Coach Duckworth is a recruiter.  He knows how to recruit players to schools with no athletic scholarships.  He did it with minimal scholarships at Covenant College, Belhaven, and now Huntingdon with no scholarships athletically.  The program is here to stay because that is what it is- "a program".  He recruited players at Belhaven who could have played in a lot bigger programs.  Because of this, he built his Belhaven teams into a program that went to the NAIA national tournament his last year there and then they went back to the regionals the year after he left.  Time will tell, but I believe HC will be a frontronner each year in the future. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 14, 2006, 11:14:19 AM
Quote

Golden is certainly a good choice.

I just don't understand why Brent Walker  doesn't get more consideration. He has to be the most versitile big man in the GSAC.

His credentials ...
* 8.8 ppg - he is one of 8 guys scoring 6 or more ppg in
   PC's balanced attack
* 8.3 rpg - tops in the GSAC
* 2.4 assists - tops among post players
* 2.3 steals - 2nd in the GSAC behind Allen White
* no stats available, but he also draws a lot of charges

This guy needs some recognition!
Quote


Old lion,

I dont think anyone said they didnt consider him, I just think there are better choices.  Whose place would he take on the team?  I know you make a point about Courtney Ellis, but he has better numbers then Walker and on a better team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 14, 2006, 11:17:41 AM
Griffcoach,

Believe it or not, none of the GSAC schools give athletic scholarships (or at least none that I know of pulling a SCAD).  Anyways, how do you think Maryville acheived the level they did until this year.  They brought in players on a higher level and they starred at MC. 

Also, the problem coach Duckworth has is the school itself.  Not the prettiest of sites.  I know he lost two recruits to Maryville a couple years back. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 14, 2006, 11:32:03 AM
i know of a lot of recruits that have come in that don't work out, recruiting is not near as important as player development and kids buying into the system,
Maryville is playing 3 or 4 kids that i would not call prize recruits and they play and do very well, that is the sign of a good team
Kids are labeled early as D1, 2 or 3 players, even if you get a D1 or D2 transfer it just means they weren't good enough to play at that level and if you develop a kid that was a D3 player coming out of high school he could be a lot better than many D2 or D1 players by the time he is an upperclassmen i.e. Josh Tummel, Matt ennen, sidney ellis, raul placeres, even Bradley Blair who dominated Carson Newman, i bet the CN coaching staff wishes they had him that night.
Bottom line is coaches make players, and MC has had some assistant coaches who have been very good at player development over the past 10 years and they have the All south and All american awards to prove it in the locker room

By the way Josh Tummel would dunk on Brent Walker and courtney ellis
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 14, 2006, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 14, 2006, 11:32:03 AM
By the way Josh Tummel would dunk on Brent Walker and courtney ellis

Where did Tummel go to high school?  The name sounds really familiar, I'm wondering if I played against him at some point.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 14, 2006, 11:51:09 AM
He went to Halls in knoxville, not sure if he really graduated but he did graduated from MC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 14, 2006, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 14, 2006, 11:14:19 AM
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Walker's credentials ...
* 8.8 ppg - he is one of 8 guys scoring 6 or more ppg in
   PC's balanced attack
* 8.3 rpg - tops in the GSAC
* 2.4 assists - tops among post players
* 2.3 steals - 2nd in the GSAC behind Allen White
* no stats available, but he also draws a lot of charges


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Old lion,

I don't think anyone said they didn't consider him, I just think there are better choices.  Whose place would he take on the team?  I know you make a point about Courtney Ellis, but he has better numbers then Walker and on a better team.

Well, I haven't heard him mentioned as a possibility by anyone else. I'm not saying he s/b in the final 10. But IMHO, the selection process s/b to identify 15 to 20 candidates and then whittle that list down to 10. In my biased, but extremely knowledgeable opinion ;D , my boys Adams, Baldwin, Green and Walker should all be on the candidates list.

Re Ellis having better #s ... I beg to differ. Other than Walker averaging 2 ppg less, all of his #s are either similar (FG%) or better ... rebounds, assists, steals, FT % ...  Also, it's subjective, but I think Walker has the edge in intangibles.

Re Fisk having the better team ... maybe, but I think that's a close call. We could have (maybe should have) split with them. I'm sure most would say that MC, HC, and Fisk are all better teams than PC. But, assuming you are right that those are all better teams ... that is a point in favor of any Piedmont player "on the bubble". We all need to remember that it is easier to look good, to put up good numbers, when you are on a good team, surrounded by good team mates. That's a fact.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 14, 2006, 12:37:36 PM
MattGrubb and GSACKiller:  On the subject of player development and the future of the SCOTS and of the GSAC, what can you tell us about Coach Beatty's MC JV team?  I did not get to see them.  What's coming along we should feel better about?

I guess the Huntingdon story for the future is yet to be told!  It seems clear that Coach Duckworth has experience in building, so we can revisit this issue in three or four years.  For better or worse, and in this case it's better, Randy has a record in D3  which anyone can see and evaluate.   Duckworth will too, assuming he stays with it.

Meanwhile, I hope what we are seeing is the rise of the GSAC and not just a down year for MC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 14, 2006, 01:20:56 PM
Coach Beaty led the JV team to its best record ever.. I believe they finished the season at 9-2...
  In my opinion Trey Brewer and Danny Saxe can and will provide some good minutes starting next year.. Blake Roberts although a little undersize had a great JV season... I would like to see more of Cristopher Orr and Alex Bowers...
  Time will tell but a great season for the Fighting Scots JV squad..

All the Scots need to do is win the conference and the will get a pool B bid.. More than likely will go on the road but hey once your in anything is possible..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 14, 2006, 03:50:38 PM
Killer
Anything is possible, sounds like Bobby Golden's Valentine's day
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 14, 2006, 11:23:05 PM
old lion- to respond to your previous reply, only 4, not 6, of the seniors at Huntingdon have been there for 4 years. 2 transferred in last year. Also, based on their all conference selections maybe Huntingdon is about a more quality system, player development, and the players belief in the system.  The hawks have only had 2 all conference players each of the past 2 years on 16-11 and 17-10 years and according to all the posters on this website, Huntingdom only has ONE candidate this year.  I think that is so much bullcrap!  HC is #1 in the NATION in Division III basketball at Defensive FG%. Not bad for a program full of players that noone respects.  That just puts the icing on the cake for Duckworth- tied for first in the conference with only one all-conference player.  Pretty D@mn good job of coaching if you ask me!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 14, 2006, 11:33:32 PM
Every poster so far has said Duckworth is Coach of the Year.  Why so snarky, Griffcoach?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 15, 2006, 08:50:24 AM
he also said he has no affiliation with HC......makes you wonder dont you.  Im not fighting for Chris Adams here and Im a Maryville fan.  So this guy is clearly with HC.  Actually, do you play for HC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 15, 2006, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 14, 2006, 11:23:05 PM
old lion- to respond to your previous reply, (1) only 4, not 6, of the seniors at Huntingdon have been there for 4 years.  2 transferred in last year. Also, based on their all conference selections maybe Huntingdon is about a more quality system, player development, and the players belief in the system.  The hawks have only had 2 all conference players each of the past 2 years on 16-11 and 17-10 years and (2) according to all the posters on this website, Huntingdom only has ONE candidate this year.    I think that is so much bullcrap! (3) HC is #1 in the NATION in Division III basketball at Defensive FG%.  Not bad for a program full of players that noone respects.  That just puts the icing on the cake for Duckworth- tied for first in the conference with only one all-conference player.  Pretty D@mn good job of coaching if you ask me!

(1) You're right, I misspoke. But my point was that HC is a team, loaded with veterans, that has been successful in past seasons. Six of those guys are now seniors and Cole is in his third year as a starter/ key player.So the expectation was that they s/b very successful this year.

(2) HC clearly has 3 strong candidates ... Allen, Cole, and Justin. IMHO, they should probably get 2 on the all-GSAC team. More on that after tonight's game.
I believe a previous poster has already mentioned those 3 guys ... maybe it was you?

(3) It's obvious that defense is the key to their team. It's amazing that a team with 463 TOs to 262 assists could be as successful as they are. It's more than amazing ... I'd say it's virtually impossible. Their ball-handling is suspect, but it's not that atrocious. For their opponents, they show 377 turnovers, 197 assists. Please ... the guy obviously doesn't know what an assist is.

Anyone still want to defend their incompetent stat guy? I assume he'll be doing the stats for the entire GSAC tournament? That's just great ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 15, 2006, 10:25:08 AM
The Scots now have won 5 consecutive Regular Season Titles!!
  Congrats to the Coaching staff and the players...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 15, 2006, 12:32:01 PM


(3) It's obvious that defense is the key to their team. It's amazing that a team with 463 TOs to 262 assists could be as successful as they are. It's more than amazing ... I'd say it's virtually impossible. Their ball-handling is suspect, but it's not that atrocious. For their opponents, they show 377 turnovers, 197 assists. Please ... the guy obviously doesn't know what an assist is.

Anyone still want to defend their incompetent stat guy? I assume he'll be doing the stats for the entire GSAC tournament? That's just great ...
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Come on........you gonna start the stat crying again?  That doesn't deserve any more of a response, so I won't even go there again. 

Piedmont/HC should be a good one tonight. 

And no, I am not affiliated with HC...to answer the poster above.  I just keep up with their program.  It's a good one with a great offensive system.  I like good basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 15, 2006, 02:09:52 PM
if he can't keep stats then he can't keep stats, let it ride
GriffCoach are you still saying you don't have an affiliation with HC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 15, 2006, 02:13:58 PM
I am not affiliated with HC in any way.  I don't even live in Alabama.  I catch them when they come around my hometown and play and I listen on the web.  I have followed their program ever since Coach Duckworth became the head coach at HC.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 15, 2006, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 15, 2006, 12:32:01 PM


Come on........you gonna start the stat crying again?  That doesn't deserve any more of a response, so I won't even go there again. 

Piedmont/HC should be a good one tonight. 

And no, I am not affiliated with HC...to answer the poster above.  I just keep up with their program.  It's a good one with a great offensive system.  I like good basketball.

Just pointing out the obvious ... That those ridiculous #'s reflect badly on all concerned ... especially your team. I can't believe a HC fan would be so apathetic.
(OMG, I just had an epiphany ... you aren't the stat guy, are you?)

I'll admit it ... I'm an old point guard who greatly values assists. I'm "old school" ... I'd rather see a great pass than a slam dunk any day. A stat guy who consistently under reports assists does not present an accurate picture of what is occurring on the floor. I find it very irritating that we have two schools in the GSAC, who have stat guys that for whatever reason, do a consistently poor job.

A great offensive system ... that's a strange claim to make for a team that has 201 more turnovers than assists. That is, if you believe the reported #s ... and you appear to... Or maybe for some reason, you just don't want to admit the problem at the scorer's table? Whatever ... but you can't have it both ways.

We do agree on one thing ... HC @ PC s/b a good one tonight.


Matt, you were a scorer, right? You have a different perspective. Any idiot can get the points right. The other stuff, that doesn't tie back to the scoreboard, requires a little more effort.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 15, 2006, 04:12:45 PM
Well not any idiot, look at Jeremy Holliday, but most can, it is definitely easier to put up 20 points than fight for 10 rebounds or 5 steals or find 5 assists.  The hustle stats are much harder to come by.  It would be a good idea to have a quality stat person to give the guys credit who deserve it the most, b/c the guy who scores all the points is going to get his credit from the cheerleaders.
Obviously Griffcoach is associated with Coach Duckworth?????
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2006, 04:23:04 PM
Interesting weekend next weekend for the conference tourney.

As I understand the seedings, even if Huntingdon defeats Piedmont tonight, Maryville has the #1 seed because of Winning Percentage in road conference games (3-1 MC vs 2-2 HC).

Actually it looks like the stars are aligning for Huntingdon to get a Pool B bid.  Let's look at the road to a Pool B bid for the Hawks.

1)  A win tonight is another in-region win which helps the in-region percenatge.

2) The #2 seed helps HC most because they get a chance to defeat Fisk.  Fisk very, very, very badly needs to defeat Rust in Holly Springs, for many reasons including keeping their in-region winning percentage above .666.  That 14-popnt QOWI win would help Huntingdon to boost their QOWI.  It would also give Huntingdon another win over an in-region ranked team, if the LaGrange loss and the Semi-Finals loss do not knock Fisk out of the In-region Rankings. 

3) We are probably looking at Maryville on the other side of the tourney bracket.  A tourney win over Maryville would be a 14-pt QOWI win and another win over an in-region ranked team, if the Finals loss and the regular season losses do not knock them of the Regional Rankings.   (Feb 15th regional rankings are not out yet.)

Huntingdon has now boosted their in-region percentage to .667 (12-6).
Their record against in-region ranked teams is 4-2.

I think that this is the case that they make for a Pool B bid.

Travel Safely, Hawks.

2nd Regional rankings are just released.  Fisk and Maryville are tied at 7th.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=128
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 15, 2006, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 15, 2006, 04:12:45 PM
Well not any idiot, look at Jeremy Holliday, but most can, it is definitely easier to put up 20 points than fight for 10 rebounds or 5 steals or find 5 assists.  The hustle stats are much harder to come by.  It would be a good idea to have a quality stat person to give the guys credit who deserve it the most, b/c the guy who scores all the points is going to get his credit from the cheerleaders.
Obviously Griffcoach is associated with Coach Duckworth?????

Well said, Matt. But you may have misunderstood me ... I was not disparaging scorers. I was saying it was easier for the stat guys to record points (as opposed to some other stats), since they have the scoreboard to tie back to.

But you make a good point about the "recognition factor" for some of the less heralded stats ... all the more reason for the stats guys to pay attention and get it right.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 15, 2006, 11:51:08 PM
Go Hawks!   91-86 overtime winners over Piedmont tonight. 

Great conference season!  It was all because of HC's stat people no doubt!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 16, 2006, 09:42:30 AM
Great game last night.

Gutsy performance by the Hawks. In spite of us shooting a reasonable percentage this time (44% as opposed to the 27% we shot in The Brick House) and Allen White picking up 4 fouls in the first half, the Hawks made some big plays down the stretch and found a way to win.

With White limited to only 6 points, Hairston (26 pts, 6 rebs) and Addison (15 & 11 ) stepped up big. Kudos to the Hawks ... you guys deserved the win. Great clutch FT shooting (16 of 18) for a team that has shot 66% for the season.

And Kudos to my Lions, as well. Great team effort, guys. Everyone played hard. Three guys had particularly outstanding games ...

Baldwin ... 27 pts, 7 rebs, 3 stls
Green ... 13 pts, 7 assists, 1 TO, 4 stls
Walker ... 14 pts, 10 rebs, 6 assists, 5 stls

I know you guys are frustrated, losing to both HC and Fisk in OT. But keep your heads up. Your fans are proud of your efforts and of the progress you've made this season. Now let's go see if we can win 2 or 3 games in the tournament.

And finally to Griff ... you just can't hide class (or the lack thereof), can you?   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 16, 2006, 10:07:44 AM
1st off kudos to piedmont, they played a good game, and Baldwin and Walker (how about that stat line?) had huge performances.

2nd, congrats to the hawks.  it seemed like everyone stepped it up last night and made shots and got stops when they needed them. 

finally, on the subject of the stat keeper.  i say we just drop the whole topic, not that i am defending anyone or verbally abusing them.  sometimes it's hard for some people to keep up typing everything into a computer, so things get left out, assists mostly.  and yeah, it does affect greatly how a team looks on paper, but it's done with.  old lion, i would say your stat keeper is a little generous.  1 TO for Green, i think he had a few more than that...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 16, 2006, 10:18:33 AM
People are human!! So we are all bound to make mistakes.. I for one got the bad end of the stick most of the time when I played.. They were always off 2-3 assists a game.. I never worried about that because all that matters is that "W"..
   A week to prepare for all of the GSAC...
      Piedmont vs LaGrange  winner plays Maryville...
      Huntingdon vs Fisk

  I still see a Fisk vs Maryville final... With the winner going to the NCAA Tournament and more than likely ending up at Mississippi College...
  Great regular season in the GSAC.. Might be the most unpredictable GSAC season since the start of the conference which is well needed...
     Keys for teams to win:
LaGrange: Pressure Pressure Pressure!! Use that depth....
Piedmont: Have a consistent transition from subbing 5 in and 5 out...
Huntingdon: Being able to believe they can beat Fisk and Maryville again??
Fisk: JUST PLAY BASKETBALL!!!
Maryville: Running the system.. WHICH IS GIVING THE BALL INSIDE!!!!!!!
     Good luck to all.....
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 16, 2006, 10:57:39 AM
OK, I know you have all been anxiously awaiting my thoughts on post season honors, so here goes. Forget 1st and 2nd team for a minute, let's just start with a list of deserving guys, and then whittle it down to 10 guys.

Here's a  start ... Let's think about it by teams. I think it should break down as follows ...

At least 2 from MC, HC, and Fisk ... and at least one from PC and LC ... that's 8. Then the other 2 probably s/b 1 more from MC and the other from PC.

OK, everyone just hold your ridicule for a moment. I'll admit I'm biased towards my Lions ... but Piedmont deserves two spots this year. We are much improved, there is no dominant team in the GSAC this year, and we just took the hottest team in the conference to OT (something both Maryville and Fisk failed to do last weekend) before coming up a little short... We don't have any stars, so we must have several guys who are very good.

Submitted for your consideration ...

LaGrange ... one
definitely Corie Jackson

Piedmont ... two
I'm too close to the situation to pick ... it's like picking your favorite child. But at least one, probably two, out of Adams, Baldwin, Green and Walker. The easy route would be to pick the two leading scorers. But if you had to pick a guy that you'd least like to play a big game without, it probably would be Green or Walker. Bottom line is, you couldn't go wrong with any of the four.

Huntingdon ... two
definitely Allen White
A strong case can also be made for either Cole Hairston or Justin Babian. It would be a close call, but I think I'd take Hairston.

Fisk ... two
Very close call for two spots between Ellis, Patton, and Williamson. I'm sure some will disagree, but I think Ellis is the odd man out. Coming into the season most would have said he was one of the top five players in the league. But he has definitely under achieved vs. expectations. For the alleged "best low post player" in a league with a shortage of good low post players, to be scoring only 11 ppg and shooting only 46% from the field and only 48% from the line ... well that's not very impressive. And I'm sorry to say, Chris Adams appears to have removed himself from consideration.

Maryville ... three
definitely ... Monte Calloway
At first glance, you'd say the other two s/b Mason and Golden. But I'd say Bradley Blair has also made a case for himself recently. OK, he's probably not in the GSAC top ten, but he at least deserves an "atta boy". And I wouldn't even say it's a done deal that Maryville gets three, although they probably will. Murvul getting three was almost pre-ordained.

But, that 10th guy could come from several guys who are on the bubble. The GSAC hasn't reached parity yet. But we are a heck of a lot closer than we were in 04-05. I'm sure some will argue for HC or Fisk getting three and PC getting only one. Yes, HC and Fisk did get the Ws over PC ... but they were all extremely close, competitive games. IMHO, the evidence clearly shows that there is not enough difference in talent to justify a 3 to 1 difference in representation on the all-GSAC teams.

Coach of the Year ... Duckworth
Player of the Year ... Calloway




Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 16, 2006, 11:09:01 AM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 16, 2006, 10:07:44 AM

1 TO for Green, i think he had a few more than that...

Urban, I agree ... I had him for two turnovers and eight assists.

But I think you have to remember that there is a degree of judgment involved in assists, turnovers, and steals.

No one is perfect, but our guy is very good. IMHO, he hasn't missed many this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 16, 2006, 12:10:36 PM
Old Lion, you want to talk about me having a lack of class.  YOU are the one who keeps bashing stat people.  How does that make me the one with NO class?  Explain it to me. 

Also, why would anyone who is not the official stat keeper sit in the stands and keep stats of the game?  Division 1 fans don't even do that.  Is it something you enjoy doing?  Just wondering.

And no, I am not bashing you for doing it so don't get your panties in a wad!

You are entitled to your opinion about all conference.  I have not seen everyone play so I can not attempt. 

Lastly, do you think if Fisk wins the tournament and gets a bid they would be sent to Mississippi College?  They played in the regular season.  Would the NCAA place two teams against each other in the first round who have already played one another?? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 16, 2006, 12:45:51 PM
Of course Fisk would, THE NCAA loves rematches, it gives a chance to see who the big dog is like in 99-00 when MC went 1-1 against a scholarship SCAD team during the regular season, then SCAD came to MC for the first round and MC beat them by 20.  Who was the better team that year and who had one lucky day.

I still like Calloway as POY b/c i am biased, but allen white sure came through last weekend, while i think Monte is definitely a better player, he just did not get the chance.

The tourney is going to be so sick, i may go, if i am there i want to stay in a girls dorm in Montgomery, anyone got any connections.  It will be one big party regardless of who wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 12:56:20 PM
The NCAA doesn't do that with conference teams if it can avoid it. Matt, you gotta get out of your little box and look at the rest of Division III, man. Your worldview is extremely skewed.

If it's a non-conference team, all bets are off, they don't really care.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 16, 2006, 01:32:02 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 16, 2006, 12:10:36 PM
Old Lion, you want to talk about me having a lack of class.  YOU are the one who keeps bashing stat people. (1) How does that make me the one with NO class?  Explain it to me. 

(2) Also, why would anyone who is not the official stat keeper sit in the stands and keep stats of the game?  Division 1 fans don't even do that.  Is it something you enjoy doing?  Just wondering.

(3) And no, I am not bashing you for doing it so don't get your panties in a wad!



(1) I'll be happy to explain. I just thought that after that great game last night for you to comment, "Great conference season!  It was all because of HC's stat people no doubt!" was sort of arbitrary and classless. Just my opinion ...

You miss my point in bringing up the atrocious stat keeping done at a couple of GSAC schools. It's nothing personal against those guys. For all I know they may be great guys. I'm just pointing out that they are terrible at keeping stats in hopes that it will somehow come to the attention of someone who has the power to do something about it. I don't expect anyone to be perfect. I just wish they'd find someone who can do a reasonable job.

(2) Fair question, there are a couple of reasons ...
*I'm strange. I already admitted I'm a "stats geek". I just enjoy keeping up with what my guys are doing.
*I have an intensity problem, I get pumped at the games. I try to keep myself occupied in hopes that it will help me keep my mouth shut re the officials. It's been only partially successful in that regard.

(3) No offense taken. Or maybe I should say, no panties wadded.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 16, 2006, 02:15:39 PM
pat
MC/SCAD was not a conference game
Mississippi/Fisk was not a conference game

Would the tourney like to see a rematch i believe so, pat have you ever listened to one of their calls?

I do have a broadview of DIII, i know where the best ball is and do i follow it, not as much, b/c i am not in that part of the country.
Can i tell you many random facts on DIII, yes.
Yes, my view is skewed, I am a fan and alum of a very competitive DIII program, who is one of the winningest programs of the past 10 years, why wouldn't my view be skewed?   I was a player who dedicated myself to my teammates, my school, and basketball b/c i loved the game, not b/c i was getting paid or a scholarship.  The only national attention we ever got back then was a brand new website with a hardwood floor background called D3hoops.com.  We loved basketball and we loved being fighting scots. 
Can you give me one good reason why my view would not be skewed.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 16, 2006, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 12:56:20 PM
The NCAA doesn't do that with conference teams if it can avoid it. Matt, you gotta get out of your little box and look at the rest of Division III, man. Your worldview is extremely skewed.

If it's a non-conference team, all bets are off, they don't really care.


I think you missed Matt's point.  He was saying that the NCAA would love to send Fisk/Maryville up to Mississippi even if Fisk would be a rematch.  I dont think he was saying that MC and FU would play again.  He never said anything about two conference foes facing each other in the 1st round.  Also, I think someone was bringing up this exact point concerning the West with Occidental and others in the Bumblin B's.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 16, 2006, 10:13:32 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 16, 2006, 10:57:39 AM
IMHO, the evidence clearly shows that there is not enough difference in talent to justify a 3 to 1 difference in representation on the all-GSAC teams.

The games might have been close, but look at conference records.  A 6-win and 5-win team compared to a 2-win team.  I would say the top 2 teams have 3 players (especially since they are co-champions), 2 for 3rd place, then 1 for the 4th and 5th place teams.

And no disrespect, PC is a good team, but HC played without White for the majority of the game (because Kendall shoved him after a box out and caused a double tech to be called), he also had the flu, and Babian got hurt before halftime.  I am not stating that as an excuse though, because you have to play with the cards that are dealt.  HC and MC could have been a completely different weekend had Calloway been playing.

But PC did play good, stats and %'s show that, and it was a tough fought game.  But even without that said, if Lagrange went winless and played each conference game close, only losing by a few points, should they get 2 all conference picks?  I think conference records justify that, so I go back to my first statement about the number of picks based on standings.

And I don't understand how some of you pick Calloway as POY being that he only played half the conference games.  No disrespect, Calloway is a tremendous player, but how can he be player of the year when he only played half the (conference) year?


And Grubby, you may want to reconsider about trying to stay in the girls' dorms, haha.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 10:48:54 PM
Ahh, gotcha. I was thrown off by the use of "MC" since there is an actual MC in this conference, which Matt is associated with. I believed him to be talking about Maryville.

My point still stands.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 12:56:20 PM
The NCAA doesn't do that with conference teams if it can avoid it.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 12:56:20 PM
If it's a non-conference team, all bets are off, they don't really care.

Matt, my apologies for not reading your mind better. :) No seriously, and the other stuff too. Glad someone remembers the parquet floor. Stole it from a Celtics fan site. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2006, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 16, 2006, 10:13:32 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 16, 2006, 10:57:39 AM
IMHO, the evidence clearly shows that there is not enough difference in talent to justify a 3 to 1 difference in representation on the all-GSAC teams.

The games might have been close, but look at conference records.  A 6-win and 5-win team compared to a 2-win team.  I would say the top 2 teams have 3 players (especially since they are co-champions), 2 for 3rd place, then 1 for the 4th and 5th place teams.

I think conference records justify that, so I go back to my first statement about the number of picks based on standings.

And I don't understand how some of you pick Calloway as POY being that he only played half the conference games.  No disrespect, Calloway is a tremendous player, but how can he be player of the year when he only played half the (conference) year?


Urban,

You make some good points. And I wouldn't be surprised if your line of reasoning prevails. But my problem with it is that it seems to place too much weight on 8 conference games and ignores what these guys did the rest of the season.

The most obvious example of what I feel is the fallacy of your line of reasoning ... the POY award. Should Monte be penalized because he hurt his knee and missed the last few games? Or should he be rewarded with the POY award because he was the best player in the GSAC when he was injured. The answer seems obvious to me ... he is POY. But my logic won't fly if only conference games count and we are precluded from considering what these guys accomplished the rest (the majority) of the season.

So I stick by my original statement.  The talent level of the players (the quality of the teams) simply does not fall into a 3,3,2,1,1 pattern. The pattern I suggested (3,2,2,2,1) is much more indicative of the actual quality of the teams/players involved. Isn't that what we are supposed to be recognizing?

Consider, not only the GSAC records, but also the south region and overall records ...

             Conf.     Region        Overall
School W L Pct   W L Pct      W L Pct
MC       6 2 .750 14 6  .700  19 6 .760
HC       6 2 .750 10 6  .625  17 7 .708
Fisk      5 3 .625  9 4  .692  14 10 .583
PC        2 6 .250  8 8  .500  13 11 .542
LC        1 7 .125  5 14 .263   7 17 .292


The facts clearly support a (3,2,2,2,1) distribution of slots on the all-GSAC team. The distribution of quality is actually a classic bell shaped curve ... as so many things in life seem to be. The make-up of the all-GSAC should reflect that.

I know. I realize the fact that it is logical and reasonable doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 17, 2006, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 17, 2006, 09:09:03 AM
Consider, not only the GSAC records, but also the south region and overall records ...

             Conf.     Region        Overall
School W L Pct   W L Pct      W L Pct
MC       6 2 .750 14 6  .700  19 6 .760
HC       6 2 .750 10 6  .625  17 7 .708
Fisk      5 3 .625  9 4  .692  14 10 .583
PC        2 6 .250  8 8  .500  13 11 .542
LC        1 7 .125  5 14 .263   7 17 .292


The facts clearly support a (3,2,2,2,1) distribution of slots on the all-GSAC team. The distribution of quality is actually a classic bell shaped curve ... as so many things in life seem to be. The make-up of the all-GSAC should reflect that.


Old Lion, you do make very good points.  Region records are very similar, and overall records are pretty close.  I think your distribution is very logical, but with co-champions this year, I don't think Maryville should have 3 players represented and the other championship team only have 2.  This year should be an exception to your logic. 

But are these awards based solely on conference games, or is it the overall season?  If a player averages 25+ outside of conference games, but doesn't show up at all during conference, would he make all-conference?  Probably not.  That is why I made my reasoning based on conference records, but your points are valid and reasonable.

I also see your point about Monte.  I don't think he should be punished at all, but I would still be willing to argue White for POY, even with Calloway healthy.  I hope you wouldn't reward Calloway with POY, just because he was injured.  The two should still be judged fairly, without taking into consideration that it is Calloway's senior year and he got hurt.  He is still a 1st team All-Conference player.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2006, 11:33:48 AM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 17, 2006, 10:17:49 AM

I also see your point about Monte.  I don't think he should be punished at all, but I would still be willing to argue White for POY, even with Calloway healthy.  I hope you wouldn't reward Calloway with POY, just because he was injured.  The two should still be judged fairly, without taking into consideration that it is Calloway's senior year and he got hurt.  He is still a 1st team All-Conference player.

I agree that there is a strong case to be made for White for POY. In my mind, it is a close race between the two of them and Monte's injury shouldn't be a factor, one way or the other. I give a slight edge to Monte ... consistency being a major factor.

Think about this. Besides being a personal tragedy for him, Monte's injury "muddied the water" re a lot of issues we are discussing.

For instance, had Monte stayed healthy, I doubt very seriously MC would have had to share the title with HC. There is no way to know, of course ... but, IMHO, MC, when Monte was healthy, was clearly the best team in the GSAC. It flies in the face of all logic if a ramification of Monte's injury is that HC gets 3 on the all-GSAC team, while PC is limited to 1.

Which brings me back to my "bell shaped curve" rational. The top of the curve should get 3, bottom of the curve should get 1, and the 3 bunched in the middle should get 2 each. It probably won't work out that way ... it makes way to much sense.  ;)

I've enjoyed our discussion, Urban. It's nice to "talk" with a reasonable man. I take it you are a HC fan since you were at the game @ PC? Congrats on a great season, it's quite a ride you guys have had the last 10 games!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 17, 2006, 12:38:49 PM
Alright, after hearing Urban Myth and Old Lion, I have revised my picks......may not be to Old Lion's liking, but hey, that is why all sports have controversy.

1st Team -
Monte Calloway- MC
Allen White - HC
Bobby Golden - MC
Jeremiah Williamson - FU
Cole Hairston - HC

2nd Team -
Bo Mason - MC
Jake Baldwin - PC
Corrie Jackson - LC
Marquis Patton - FU
Justin Babian - HC (tough to ignore him down the stretch)

POY - Allen White - HC
COY - Duckworth - HC
FOY - Kendall Wallace - MC (1st year coaching) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2006, 01:08:14 PM
Actually ohyeah, I like your picks a lot ... there is no one on your list who doesn't deserve to be there.

If it were up to me, I would only change one ...  or maybe two. And I honestly don't know which of my PC guys I would replace Babian and/or Baldwin with ... in my mind, it's that close. But I really don't expect my rational to prevail when the "powers that be" pick it either.

For POY ... you really can't go wrong with either White or Calloway.

Also, we apparently have similar enthusiasm for the FOY race. :)

Good job!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 17, 2006, 01:54:12 PM
Old Lion, I have also enjoyed our discussion, and yes, I follow Huntingdon.  Thank you for the congratulations, and it has been a nice streak we have been on.  It's been a long time coming for them, and for our seniors' sake I hope they can finish it out.

Ohyeah, I think your picks are right on target.  Babian and Hairston were very equal stat-wise on conference games, so in my opinion it's hard to leave one of them out, and which one deserves the 1st team depends on whose viewpoint it comes from.  Babian I think had better games against Fisk, Hairston against Maryville, and they both split the games against Piedmont and Lagrange.  Hairston was huge at Piedmont, and Babian was huge at Lagrange.  But who knows, I can't pick them, so it's not my decision.  I like your pics though.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2006, 08:09:10 PM
For those interested, QOWI for Huntingdon through Thursday night was 8.375.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 17, 2006, 10:57:53 PM
A great Game on thursday in the smallest gym i have ever been in.  The bleachers were 6 rows deep.  Tyler Gasking a former maryville high school stand out had 23 stitches in his eyebrow after tangling up with JJ.  It really makes me feel good when i see a healthy Bobby Golden that is able to take over a game late like he did.  Weslyan got no second shots and bobby scored late down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 17, 2006, 10:59:38 PM
I hope the MC pedigree is good enough to get them a tourney bid but i can say that we miss Monte really bad.  He is our clutch scorer on the perimeter.  Trey Brewer got quality minutes who hadnt played before the fourth quarter and sam has been a pleasant suprise. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 17, 2006, 11:03:20 PM
The press breaking ability is kind of bipolar for the MC scots at this moment.  At one point we broke the press for a layup attempt 7 straight trips down the court.  I am going to tell the fisk people that if you press us with andy and sam out of the game we are done.  Bo cannot break a press i am sorry to say by himself like reuben or GSAC Killer could.  Bo is a 2 guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 18, 2006, 11:12:11 AM
I would like to take this time to wonder who our next big man in the esteemed line of big fat white guys will be.  The original was matt ennen.  Then we went to paul whatever his last name was.  and after bobby i just dont see any big fat guys.  I dont know what we will do if we dont have a big man
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 18, 2006, 05:46:10 PM
Thanks to my man ralph i am assured that murvul will make it in the NCAA's by making it out of the GSAC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 18, 2006, 07:19:18 PM
what are the posting requirements to be raised levels.  I am curious
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 18, 2006, 11:14:46 PM
I talked to one of my sources at "the campus" today.  From what i hear freshman trey brewer is an up-in-coming star in the GSAC.  Look for him to have a great sophomore year with an improved jumper and an always quick first step to the goal
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 11:15:43 PM
Any news out of Rust?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 02:31:47 AM
Nothing I've seen. But I was able to track down a few of the previous missing Rust scores the other day.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 19, 2006, 03:50:09 PM
Spencer:  Maybe Trey can hurry it up a little and help compensate for Monte's ACL.  This year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 19, 2006, 04:02:50 PM
trey can certainly give you the defense desired but his outside three-point shot is not up to par.  I once saw him score 42 points in a high school game without a 3 pointer or a free throw and he went 21 of 24
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 19, 2006, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 17, 2006, 01:08:14 PM
Actually ohyeah, I like your picks a lot ... there is no one on your list who doesn't deserve to be there.

If it were up to me, I would only change one ...  or maybe two. And I honestly don't know which of my PC guys I would replace Babian and/or Baldwin with ... in my mind, it's that close. But I really don't expect my rational to prevail when the "powers that be" pick it either.

I do, however, still strongly feel that the difference in talent level does not justify 3 all-GSAC guys for HC if that means PC is limited to 1 guy.  On the one hand,  it would be a shame for either Hairston of Babian to not make it ... as it will be when any of the 4 guys below don't make it. 3 of the 6 won't make it ... all 3 (that don't make it) should not be Piedmont guys.

OK, since unfortunately, I am the only PC fan on here, I guess it falls to me to make the case for my guys. So here goes, in alphabetical order, of course ...

Adams ...  Two Guard, would be an excellent choice for all-GSAC ...
14.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.7 apg, 1.4 spg  entire season
10.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.6 apg, 0.9 spg  GSAC
Probably our most improved player, and one of our most consistent guys. He got off to a great start and carried us early in the year. Still playing well ...

Baldwin ...  Forward, would be an excellent choice for all-GSAC ...
15.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.9 spg  entire season
16.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.1 apg, 0.9 spg  GSAC
Top scorer for second consecutive year. Struggled a little in the middle of the year as PC experimented with a variety of lineups and focused on developing depth. Has gotten back in the groove as we've "shortened our bench" for the stretch run.

Green ...  Point Guard, would be an excellent choice for all-GSAC ...
  8.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.9 spg  entire season
10.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.9 apg, 2.6 spg  GSAC
Best PG in the conference, makes it difficult to pressure us.  Playing with a lot of confidence and making clutch plays, down the stretch. You don't score 86.4 ppg (16th nationally) unless you have a very good PG running the show.

Walker ... Forward, would be an excellent choice for all-GSAC ... (I have a theme going here.   ;))
  9.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.4 spg  entire season
10.3 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.9 spg  GSAC
I've previously stated the case for Walker, most versatile big guy in the conference ... does everything well ... emotional leader.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 19, 2006, 05:49:21 PM
Old Lion, all 4 players are good, there is no doubt about that.  it's a tough choice to make, but when you look at all the stats for the 6 guys, the top 3 would be Baldwin, Babian, and Hairston.  but my word is done with all the picks, i've made my points and there are no games left for anyone to change my mind.  i really don't think my input would help in the decision making anyway, haha.

guess we will see come thursday who will be right.

good luck to all teams in the upcoming GSAC tourney.

oh, can anyone tell me the Rust/Fisk score, i have no idea about who won or anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 19, 2006, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 19, 2006, 05:49:21 PM
When you look at all the stats for the 6 guys, the top 3 would be Baldwin, Babian, and Hairston. 

If you look at the stats alone ...

without understanding the makeup up of the teams involved,

the way those teams spread their minutes,

the talent of the guys involved (beyond just the numbers),

and the contributions they made to their teams ...

I can see how you could reach that conclusion.

Hopefully, the "powers that be" (the coaches?) will understand the situation on a more "beyond just the #s" basis.  

Still, I'm not holding my breath. If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to bet $100 one way or the other, I'd probably go with your way of looking at it. I just don't have a lot of confidence in my logic/justice prevailing.

But, I'm sticking with ...
I do, however, still strongly feel that the difference in talent level does not justify 3 all-GSAC guys for HC if that means PC is limited to 1 guy.  On the one hand,  it would be a shame for either Hairston of Babian to not make it ... as it will be when any of the 4 PC guys don't make it. 3 of the 6 won't make it ... all 3 (that don't make it) should not be Piedmont guys.
I agree that neither your, nor my, opinion is going to carry very much weight ... but it's fun to talk about.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 20, 2006, 10:34:34 AM
old lion, the stat that sticks out to me regarding piedmont is their record.  If those guys are so good and cannot be replaced, then why dont they win more games?  Im not trying to bad mouth Piedmont, but why should 2 or more players from a bottom team in a 5 team conference make it.  Their numbers have to be excellent to justify it.  10 pts and 8 rebounds isnt going to do it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 20, 2006, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 20, 2006, 10:34:34 AM
old lion, the stat that sticks out to me regarding piedmont is their record.  If those guys are so good and cannot be replaced, then why dont they win more games?  Im not trying to bad mouth Piedmont, but why should 2 or more players from a bottom team in a 5 team conference make it.   Their numbers have to be excellent to justify it.  10 pts and 8 rebounds isnt going to do it.

Damn, ohyeah ... it's fine if you have a different opinion, but I thought I had stated my reasoning pretty thoroughly ...
region and overall records of middle 3 being fairly similar,
"bell shaped curve distribution" of talent and slots (3,2,2,2,1),
different philosophies in minutes played/ #s produced,
etc. etc. ...

If you are seriously asking that question, go back a few days and read (or reread?) some of my old posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 20, 2006, 07:02:18 PM
This is the time of the year when everyone just bugs the heck out of me.  Basketball is a team game and every post that is on here is about how so and so should be the Player of the Year and everyones picks for the all-conference teams.  It takes five people to play the game so lets do it.  I could care less if none of the MC players made it on the all-conference teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 20, 2006, 08:11:31 PM
The Fisk/Rust game will be played tomorrow night.   The game was iced out on Saturday night.  Fisk and Rust both have very piss poor websites.  You can't find anything about their team other than a schedule. 


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 20, 2006, 08:54:44 PM
I agree Spencer Beaty aka " The left-handed assasin!!"... Its all about the team game....
It will be Da Ville vs Da Ville... Knoxville vs Nashville in the Finals...

Good luck to all...

Hey Oh Yea did you still play basketball??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 20, 2006, 08:11:31 PM
The Fisk/Rust game will be played tomorrow night.   The game was iced out on Saturday night.  Fisk and Rust both have very piss poor websites.  You can't find anything about their team other than a schedule. 


And Rust's isn't even this year's schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 21, 2006, 11:39:01 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 20, 2006, 10:34:34 AM
old lion, the stat that sticks out to me regarding piedmont is their record.  If those guys are so good and cannot be replaced, then why dont they win more games?  Im not trying to bad mouth Piedmont, but why should 2 or more players from a bottom team in a 5 team conference make it.  Their numbers have to be excellent to justify it.  10 pts and 8 rebounds isnt going to do it.

I'll give you one reason PC didn't win more games  ... we didn't play a schedule like Huntingdon's.

Your question prompted me to do a little more research, and I was amazed at what I found. I'm not trying to bad mouth Huntingdon either, but look at the facts ... a total of only 6 teams with winning records on their entire schedule. Not only can Duckworth coach ... that son-of-a-gun can put together a schedule too!

I have to tip my hat to HC for rising to the occasion to go 6-2 in the GSAC, because they had very few challenges other than their GSAC schedule. Also, Lady Luck did smile on them a bit in the GSAC ... getting to play MC without Calloway, and Fisk without Adams was most fortuitous. But, they did beat us fair and square in two close games ... no excuses there. I can say in all seriousness, those was two of their most impressive wins of the season.

But it was their non-conference games that amazed me ...

In their other 8 South region games, they went 4 and 4, even though they only played two schools (Centre 17-7 and Rhodes 13-12) that had winning records.

Region - other than GSAC (4-4)
L 49 53  Greensboro 12-12  
W 76 60  Ferrum 7-18
L 71 74  Oglethorpe 12-13  
W 70 45  Lynchburg 3-22
L 56 65  Centre 17-7
L 57 59  Rhodes 13-12  
W 68 54  Rhodes 13-12
W 84 75  Suwanee 7-17


And their 9 non-region games were even worse ...Dick Vitale would say, Cup-Cake City, baby.

Non-Region (8-1)
L 56 59  Manchester 9-16  
W 82 79  Atlanta Christian 14-18
W 78 65  Atlanta Christian 14-18
W 64 54  Finlandia 4-15
W 73 68  Pensacola Christian
W 67 56  Pensacola Christian
W 70 55  Carver Bible
W 69 49  Wesley 15-10
W 98 95  Concordia 6-18

Our non-GSAC schedule was much more competitive. With the exception of Centre (and possibly Rhodes), we played six opponents who were tougher than anyone HC faced outside the GSAC. They were ... Millsaps 14-11, Rust 13-9, Averett 18-7, NAIA Southern Tech 19-9, Gordon 22-3, and DII North Ga 14-10. Also, we played perennial power Methodist 9-16 twice, who had a down year for them, but they still were a pretty good, veteran team.

So, I don't think those 18 wins are as impressive as they appear at first glance. Heck, they could have won about half of those with you or I in the starting line-up.  ;D  So once again, you have to look a little beyond "just the #s" to understand the talent levels of the teams/players involved.

Again, I'm not trying to bad mouth HC. They appear to be good guys and they had a good season. I'm just answering your question ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 21, 2006, 12:16:21 PM
It's funny how Old Lion 'creams' Huntingdon's schedule, but fails to mention that Piedmont played Warren Wilson - one of the worse 4 year programs in the nation, and Toccoa Falls College twice.  Don't question scheduling when typical teams like Rhodes and Sewanee (who have been to the NCAA's in recent years) have down years.  Old Lion touts Methodist as great wins on their schedule, when in fact Sewanee beat them this year too, and he says they were a bad win for Huntingdon.  Piedmont's only 2 GSAC wins came against a team that only won 6 or 7 games in LaGrange.  This is not a knock on Lagrange because I have a lot of respect for Coach Haynes.  You also say that Piedmont was two of Huntingdon's better wins....how 'bout Fisk and Maryville who were both regionally ranked at the time?  Again, Old Lion only sees through 'green' colored glasses. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 21, 2006, 01:26:02 PM
all of those losses you state were before christmas too, when the team actually started coming together and put on that 11 game win streak after losing to Fisk and Maryville.  and speaking of Maryville, I believe they lost to Sewanee, who Huntingdon beat, and they also lost to Oglethorpe at home, which was one of the losses you had marked for Huntingdon, at Oglethorpe in OT.  and Concordia was a tough team no matter their record.  much like fisk, very athletic, and they beat West Alabama, who beat Montevallo (22-3).

i don't quite understand Duckworth's scheduling at times, but why don't ask him personally about that, maybe he'll give you a good answer.  old-lion, you are extremely biased towards your team, as is everyone else to a degree.  but didn't they play pensacola christian and atlanta christian also? oh, they also lost to greensboro and beat ferrum at the beginning of the season.

maybe we should quit bashing other teams and focus upon our own.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 21, 2006, 01:29:03 PM
old lion - i like your loyalty...are you a player for piedmont or does your child go to piedmont?

GSAC Killa - what I do would not be called playing basketball anymore.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 21, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
A little more info on Huntingdon's schedule. I hate to call out my own school but that Wesley you see on the schedule isn't the Wesley you might think it is. Even though the link on the schedule goes to the one in Delaware, that was actually a Wesley College from Florence,Mississippi.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 21, 2006, 01:53:43 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 21, 2006, 12:16:21 PM
It's funny how Old Lion 'creams' Huntingdon's schedule, but fails to mention that Piedmont played Warren Wilson - one of the worse 4 year programs in the nation, and Toccoa Falls College twice.  Don't question scheduling when typical teams like Rhodes and Sewanee (who have been to the NCAA's in recent years) have down years.  Old Lion touts Methodist as great wins on their schedule, when in fact Sewanee beat them this year too, and he says they were a bad win for Huntingdon.  Piedmont's only 2 GSAC wins came against a team that only won 6 or 7 games in LaGrange.  This is not a knock on Lagrange because I have a lot of respect for Coach Haynes.  You also say that Piedmont was two of Huntingdon's better wins....how 'bout Fisk and Maryville who were both regionally ranked at the time?  Again, Old Lion only sees through 'green' colored glasses. 

Geez! Reading comprehension, Griff, reading comprehension ...

Warren Wilson and Toccoa Falls  ... sure, everyone has a few easy ones on their schedule ... Pensacola Christian and Atlanta Christian aren't all that good either. That's five games ...

Old Lion touts Methodist as great wins on their schedule??? No, I said, "they still were a pretty good, veteran team".

Old Lion touts Methodist as great wins on their schedule, when in fact Sewanee beat them this year too ...  What's your point? Sewanee beat Maryville this year, what do you think that proves? Nothing, except that strange stuff happens sometimes.

he says they (Suwanee) were a bad win for Huntingdon ...  Huh? No idea how you came up with that one ...

Don't question scheduling when typical teams like Rhodes and Sewanee (who have been to the NCAA's in recent years) have down years.  Good point, at least you are on the right track ... that was my point in mentioning Methodist.

how 'bout Fisk and Maryville who were both regionally ranked at the time?  Good point! Yeah, I thought those were two of HC's better wins, as well.   ::)

OK Griff, let me try to make it simple for you. (Sit up straight now, and maybe the point won't go "over your head" again.) Oh yeah, asked the question, "Why doesn't PC have more wins?" It was implied, "Why does HC have more wins than PC, if Piedmont's overall talent is comparable with Huntingdon's?"

The essence of my response was that ... taken on the whole, PC played a much tougher non-GSAC schedule than HC did. And that was a major factor in HC having more wins. Obviously, the other major factor was that HC went 6-2 in the GSAC ... and I took off my "green colored glasses" and gave them kudos for that.

My overriding point has been for some time now ... while you can make a case that HC is better than PC (head to head match ups, 6-2 GSAC record) .... IMHO, it is pretty clear that they are not "3 to 1" better.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 21, 2006, 02:16:59 PM
good thing it is basketball where we actually get to play it out b/c if it was football, Griff and Old Lion may come to blows

Can't wait for the tourney

Hey guys, what is that smell?  It's march madness baby so get ready

Andy Chaney for life
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 21, 2006, 03:06:58 PM
Old Lion, how can you not justify it.  Piedmont lost to HC twice.  PC has a 2-6 in conference record.  With that record, having even ONE player on the all conferece team would be a blessing for whoever that one person may be.  You could easily justify three HC players from a team with 6 conference wins.

You make some great points for a PC fan.  ??? :D 

By the way, I am sitting up very straight and nothing you say is over anyone's head.  No one agrees with you.  YOU ARE 2-6!!!!! You should be the one bent over taking that butt kicking all year long.

I just don't see where you come up with the crap that you come up with. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 03:14:22 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 21, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
A little more info on Huntingdon's schedule. I hate to call out my own school but that Wesley you see on the schedule isn't the Wesley you might think it is. Even though the link on the schedule goes to the one in Delaware, that was actually a Wesley College from Florence,Mississippi.

Our schedule properly notes Wesley (Miss.). :)
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Huntingdon&team=m
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 21, 2006, 03:53:15 PM
Hold up, wait a minute; Let me put some coachin' in it.

To win games you have to have good players and good scheduling.  Huntingdon has both.  In the past I have let pride get in the way of finding a team that we should go in knowing it is a W.  Well pride no more boys, I need to get to the 100 win plateau before I turn 100.  Coaches do more than call plays and throw jackets and one of the top two or three is schedule. 

Also, stop comparing somebody who beat somebody who lost to somebody's sister's bible study group.  Basketball and any sport for that matter doesn't follow the laws of a thereom or scientific law.  Every team has different personnel that play differently against different teams.  When Bobby Golden plays us he is being guarded by 6'3 and when he plays Huntingdon it is 6'8(just one example).  Teams have different styles.  Some teams can't keep up with us when we get stops and transition and some teams just dominate us in the half court so we can't run. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 21, 2006, 04:12:51 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 21, 2006, 03:06:58 PM
Old Lion, how can you not justify it.  Piedmont lost to HC twice.  PC has a 2-6 in conference record.  With that record, having even ONE player on the all conferece team would be a blessing for whoever that one person may be.  You could easily justify three HC players from a team with 6 conference wins.

You make some great points for a PC fan.  ??? :D 

By the way, I am sitting up very straight and nothing you say is over anyone's head.  No one agrees with you.  YOU ARE 2-6!!!!! You should be the one bent over taking that butt kicking all year long.

I just don't see where you come up with the crap that you come up with. 

OK, I see ... no matter what, you are going to continue to talk about only 8 games and refuse to acknowledge the other 17. Fine.

I only have one question ... How can you type, sitting there with fingers in both ears, squealing, "I'm not listening ... I'm not listening ..."?

Run along now ... OhYeah and I were trying to have a "big boy" discussion.

I just don't see where you come up with the crap that you come up with ... I have no problem at all believing that ... if your are indeed, sitting up straight, maybe you just aren't "tall enough", mentally.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 21, 2006, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 21, 2006, 03:53:15 PM

Also, stop comparing somebody who beat somebody who lost to somebody's sister's bible study group.  Basketball and any sport for that matter doesn't follow the laws of a thereom or scientific law. 


Good point, Coach. There are always exceptions to ... well if A beat B, and B beat C, then A will be able to beat C. Just look at the results in the games involving Piedmont, Oglethorpe, Averett, and Maryville. You can't draw any reasonable conclusions based on those results ...

But one thing is for sure, the more often you play  "somebody's sister's bible study group" the more likely you are to pick up a few more wins.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 21, 2006, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 21, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
A little more info on Huntingdon's schedule. I hate to call out my own school but that Wesley you see on the schedule isn't the Wesley you might think it is. Even though the link on the schedule goes to the one in Delaware, that was actually a Wesley College from Florence,Mississippi.

Thanks, Hawks88 ... I was fooled by the link on HCs schedule into thinking that was the 15-10 team from Delaware. Strange ...

I found the one in Mississippi ... looks like they are more of a Toccoa Falls/ Warren Wilson type of team.

http://www.wesleycollege.com/Student%20Life/Athletics.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 21, 2006, 04:39:44 PM
Granted this may not be "educational" anymore, but this board has become a lot more fun to read lately.  Not to mention William hasnt been around and to see this action is great.  

Anyways, when do the teams leave and arrive in the metropolis that holds Huntingdon?  Are they going to hand out cushions for the games so people dont get splinters from sitting on the 1960 style bleachers?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 21, 2006, 05:52:00 PM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 21, 2006, 01:26:02 PM
all of those losses you state were before christmas too, when the team actually started coming together and put on that 11 game win streak after losing to Fisk and Maryville.  and speaking of Maryville, I believe they lost to Sewanee, who Huntingdon beat, and they also lost to Oglethorpe at home, which was one of the losses you had marked for Huntingdon, at Oglethorpe in OT.  and Concordia was a tough team no matter their record.  much like fisk, very athletic, and they beat West Alabama, who beat Montevallo (22-3).

i don't quite understand Duckworth's scheduling at times, but why don't ask him personally about that, maybe he'll give you a good answer.  old-lion, you are extremely biased towards your team, as is everyone else to a degree.  but didn't they play pensacola christian and atlanta christian also? oh, they also lost to greensboro and beat ferrum at the beginning of the season.

maybe we should quit bashing other teams and focus upon our own.

Easy now, Urban ... I don't want to butt heads with you. Seems like just yesterday we were agreeing how reasonable we both were ...

I don't have a problem with Duckworth's scheduling ... it seems to have worked out pretty well for HC.

I just did a little research to answer Oh Yeah's question ... and posted my observations ... I didn't really see myself as "bashing HC" ... sorry you took it that way. Oh Yeah asked a fair question ... I answered it.  Would you not agree that PC played a tougher non-GSAC schedule than HC did?

which was one of the losses you had marked for Huntingdon, at Oglethorpe in OT ...  I didn't really "mark" any specific games, I just listed HC's entire non-GSAC schedule and results.

old-lion, you are extremely biased towards your team, as is everyone else to a degree...  I agree. I've pointed out the same thing myself. But just because we are biased, that doesn't mean we can't gather a few facts, express a few opinions, and put forth a reasoned position.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 21, 2006, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 21, 2006, 11:39:01 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 20, 2006, 10:34:34 AM

Your question prompted me to do a little more research, and I was amazed at what I found. I'm not trying to bad mouth Huntingdon either, but look at the facts ... a total of only 6 teams with winning records on their entire schedule. Not only can Duckworth coach ... that son-of-a-gun can put together a schedule too!

And their 9 non-region games were even worse ...Dick Vitale would say, Cup-Cake City, baby.

Non-Region (8-1)
L 56 59  Manchester 9-16  
W 82 79  Atlanta Christian 14-18
W 78 65  Atlanta Christian 14-18
W 64 54  Finlandia 4-15
W 73 68  Pensacola Christian
W 67 56  Pensacola Christian
W 70 55  Carver Bible
W 69 49  Wesley 15-10  
W 98 95  Concordia 6-18


Again, I'm not trying to bad mouth HC. They appear to be good guys and they had a good season. I'm just answering your question ...

Per the correction from Hawks88, I guess I need to modify this. As it turns out, Wesley (Miss) is not the 15-10 team from Delaware. They are one of those "less serious" teams that doesn't even list their schedule and results on their website. The 69 -49 score makes more sense now. So I guess that's 5 teams with a winning record.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 21, 2006, 07:31:20 PM
Where's Killa?  Where's William?  It is crunch time, tourney time, show time and our go to guys are MIA.  That's a let down from two proven winners. 

We will be flying by charter on Thursday morning to Montgomery via Notasulga, AL.  I hope we get our legs back from the flight before tip-off.  As long as we win it should be a lot of fun.  Tournaments are never any fun when you lose.  Either way, I am 100% sure that the Huntingdon staff will have this thing running perfectly.  That bunch has it together over there.  For all of those coming make sure you cheer for the Panthers once or twice.  Just cause we are small can't pass and don't defend very well doesn't make us bad people.  Good luck to all those involved.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 21, 2006, 08:04:43 PM
Old Lion,

Ok, we are getting back on the same page.  I did take your comment the wrong way, as if you were bashing Huntingdon's program.  I just jumped to the defense of the program I show my biased opinions for.  And I can agree that your guys played a tougher non-conference schedule, but once again, that's the head coach's decision, and as far as the A, B, C philosophy, it's completely true that anything can happen on any given night and that each team plays differently against other teams.  Take my junior pro career for example.  We had a 4-way tie for first 2 years ia a row because A beat B, B beat C, C beat D, and D beat A.  Happened every time, it was crazy.  Granted that was 5th and 6th grade, but oh well, you get my point.

The countdown has begun, two days til the first game... it's gonna be a "cat" fight, Panthers and Lions.  Good luck to both.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 21, 2006, 08:46:28 PM


[tr]Per the correction from Hawks88, I guess I need to modify this. As it turns out, Wesley (Miss) is not the 15-10 team from Delaware. They are one of those "less serious" teams that doesn't even list their schedule and results on their website. The 69 -49 score makes more sense now. So I guess that's 5 teams with a winning record.
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In case you don't know, Wesley College is ranked #5 in the NCCAA in Division II.  That's not too shabby.  There are some dang good teams in the NCCAA.  Not that they are world beaters by any stretch of the imaginiation, but it is not exactly a cupcake game either. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 21, 2006, 09:49:54 PM
CHANEY FOR LIFE
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2006, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 21, 2006, 08:46:28 PM

...In case you don't know, Wesley College is ranked #5 in the NCCAA in Division II.  That's not too shabby.  There are some dang good teams in the NCCAA.  Not that they are world beaters*** by any stretch of the imaginiation, but it is not exactly a cupcake game either. 

***They are not Mississippi College beaters either! :D

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=48919

I am enjoying the pre-tourney discusion.  I am certain that Wilburt is lurking in the wings as well. :)

In fairness to Coach Duckworth, I retrieved my Rand-McNally to look at the candidates for non-conference games.

After critical analysis of the Huntingdon schedule, the only D3 opponents within a reasonable driving range that he did not play were Millsaps and Mississippi College, 4 hours to the West,  Rust (while he was in the Memphis area to play Rhodes) and Emory.  MissColl has its "Farm Bureau" tourney on opening weekend when I would love to see MissColl and LaCollege playing 2 other South Region teams instead of Wesley College Mississippi's or Carver Bible's.  Huntingdon was playing Ferrum and Greensboro on that weekend.  Otherwise there are no other good times for MissCollege or LaCollege to play a non-conference game.

Actually Concordia-Selma is the closest non-D2 or higher college to Huntingdon...a bus ride that is easy on the budget either way.

Their 16-game (South Region) schedule matched Piedmont's and was 3 more than Fisk.

Good luck to all and travel safely.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2006, 09:53:57 PM
This board lately resembles the USA South board and esp. the "observations" about everybody else from some posters from certain schools (not you, Narch).

Travel well!  I wish I could be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 21, 2006, 08:46:28 PM
In case you don't know, Wesley College is ranked #5 in the NCCAA in Division II.  That's not too shabby.  There are some dang good teams in the NCCAA. 

Last year's NCCAA Division II champ was Southeastern College, from Florida. If you took their Massey rating and slotted it in with Division III schools (it's the same formula, so this is an apples-to-apples comparison), it would be #152, right behind Wilmington, which was 10-16.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2006, 12:59:03 AM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 21, 2006, 08:46:28 PM


1) In case you don't know, Wesley College is ranked #5 in the NCCAA in Division II.  That's not too shabby.  2) There are some dang good teams in the NCCAA.  Not that they are world beaters by any stretch of the imaginiation, but it is not exactly a cupcake game either. 

1) Sorry Griff, once you put that extra "C" in there, anything you say after that is pretty much irrelevant.

2) Really ... it's certainly possible that you know something I don't. But if you can supply me some info on some "dang good teams in the NCCAA" I'd certainly be interested in perusing it. To date, I'm not aware of any.

You may want to peruse this ...
http://www.wesleycollege.com/Student%20Life/Athletics.htm
I learned that ...
they beat Toccoa Falls by 1,
they beat Warren Wilson (the worst college team I've ever seen, personally) by 15,
they lost to Mississippi College by 30,
and they lost to Millsaps by 23.

I also saw that, at one point they were 8-7 overall, and 7-0 in their region. Who the heck else is in that region? Let's ask Coach Haynes ... maybe they are in the SSBSG, the "somebody's sister's bible study group" region.

Now maybe that's not "too shabby", but it's certainly shabby enough.

Give it up, Griff. You came to a gun fight armed with a knife. Just walk away ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2006, 01:06:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 11:40:36 PM


Last year's NCCAA Division II champ was Southeastern College, from Florida. If you took their Massey rating and slotted it in with Division III schools (it's the same formula, so this is an apples-to-apples comparison), it would be #152, right behind Wilmington, which was 10-16.

Massey rating? That's a new term to me ...

Where can I find more info on it. How is it computed? Is there a list somewhere of how various teams are rated?

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 02:01:56 AM
Old lion, I was not able to find a Massey MOV, (margin of victory) which is the sophisticated BCS style computerized rankings that Pat mentioned, but if Wesley were in D3, they would be somewhere around 355 out of 400 schools.

LaGrange is around 250; Piedmont 154.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6

Enjoy! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 22, 2006, 03:10:05 AM
what does the number in parentheses mean under schedule?  is that like the rank of schedule difficulty or something?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 03:23:54 AM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 22, 2006, 03:10:05 AM
what does the number in parentheses mean under schedule?  is that like the rank of schedule difficulty or something?

Yes, strength of schedule;  1 is hardest.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 22, 2006, 08:20:46 AM
I'm back and headed to Montgomery Friday morning.  Looks like the winner of the GSAC tourney will get a Pool B bid.  I'll be there to heckle the heck out of everyone and to badger the refs - "I'm blind I'm deaf, I wanna be a ref!!!."      ;D

Doug I see that you can't make it but what about you Grubb? Will you be there?

By the way, how is Andy Chaney doing after shooting his buckshot? 

It's March (oops) February MADNESS BABY!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2006, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 02:01:56 AMI was not able to find a Massey MOV, (margin of victory) which is the sophisticated BCS style computerized rankings that Pat mentioned, but if Wesley were in D3, they would be somewhere around 355 out of 400 schools.

ralph - i think the mov is in the next to last bullet on the page you linked...the word "here" is the link...i could be wrong, though

if i'm reading this correctly, massey has:
m'ville at 57 with the #67 schedule
huntingdon at 68 with the #231 schedule
fist at 121 with the #81 schedule
piedmont at 189 with the #177 schedule
lagrange at 253 with the #112 schedule

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 22, 2006, 08:53:31 AM
with all the talk of mississippi college earlier, it surprises me to see their strength of schedule at 238...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 10:10:09 AM
narch, thanks, but I could not find how to get to the MOV ranking for Wesley College of Mississippi!  I will try to find it again.

Urban myth, Mississippi College does not play Mississippi College, so their values do not go into the computation.  Also, Carver Bible and Wesley College on the Mississippi College schedule have a different impact on a schedule from a Carson Newman or a Tennessee State.

Massey considers all games against all schools.  The NCAA D3 Selection committee only considers the results versus D3.  Carson Newman makes the  Maryville schedule look harder, but the NCAA expressly has defined the scope of their evaluation for the D3 Tourney.  Only D3 counts.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 22, 2006, 10:25:12 AM
Old Lion,
If you go Piedmont's schedule since 2002 you will find that  they have lost to alot of NCCAA teams.  In fact, you may find if you back out the Toccoa wins you are pretty close to having a losing record versus NCCAA's. Tennessee Temple and Pensacola owned you for a year or two.  In fact, if NCCAA's are so bad why does Piedmont not play TTU anymore after playing home and home for years? It's because you can't beat them.   If the NCCAA is so bad why did Piedmont not win the National Championship when they were members of the NCCAA during their transition to D3?  I think you could go to the MASSEY rating and find alot of NCCAA's who are in the NAIA that have really high Massey ratings like Lee University, Faulkner (won the national championship in NAIA recently, etc.....

Now I guess you will say that NAIA basketball is weak like you have implied about the NCCAA. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 22, 2006, 10:54:59 AM
To GriffCoach22:

I get back in town and this is what I get. We are on the brink of probably the best tourney the GSAC has seen since the 2003 tourney  :D  and you and Old Lion are still in this pissing match. Will you ever let your hate of Piedmont (read Old Lion) rest?  I am sick and tired of this between you two.  It serves no useful purpose. Don't make me write a poem about you two  ;)...

If Raul and I can patch things up, then surely you two can! In fact if Raul is old enough to drink, I'll buy him an adult beverage this weekend - if MURVUL wins both tourneys (men and women)!

GO FISK!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 22, 2006, 10:59:08 AM
Unfortunately i don't think i can make it, but Raul will carry my flame and take you up on those drinks wilburt.  This is the most contested GSAC tourney ever.  We have 3 teams who could win it all and none of them are considered underdogs.  Yeah Baby.

The only stat that matters at this point is the scoreboard baby.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 22, 2006, 11:40:10 AM
Urban myth -

Yes - the parentheticals are rankings.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 22, 2006, 12:06:48 PM
Wilbert,

Just trying to let Old Lion know that he isn't the all-knowing basketball guru.  I could care less if Piedmont wins every game they play or loses every game they play.  He acts as if they are the program that the rest of the world should pattern theirs after.  They struggled with the NCCAA schools and he wants to bash teams that play these same schools?   I am not going to sit back and allow him to act like he knows what he is talking about.

I can crack out PC's schedule for the past 4 years and discount his ludicrous statements.


Fisk really needs to beat Rust by the way.  It will help GSAC school's QOWI.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 22, 2006, 12:09:44 PM
Griffcoach22: Fisk beat Rust last night 76-72.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 22, 2006, 12:40:50 PM
The KILLA is back.... Two more day and its on like Donkey Kong!!!
  Conference Championship on the line this weekend..
I still like Fisk and Da Ville in the finals for winner goes on to the tourney!!

   I also like my ladies against anyone this weekend... We win it all and we might be able to host in the NCAA Tournament... Got to give the ladies some love since they don't get any on there board...

Wilburt if we can come to peace with one another then anyone can... No doubt about them drinks.. :D :P
  Hey good luck to all and may the team with the most desire and passion win this weekend..
  GO SCOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 22, 2006, 12:54:34 PM
Killer, you just make sure that team this weekend is the scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 12:56:24 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 22, 2006, 12:09:44 PM
Griffcoach22: Fisk beat Rust last night 76-72.

I am very happy for the GSAC!  Great job FISK!

With the uncertainty of a Neb Wes in Pool B, FISK really needed that game worse than we thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 22, 2006, 01:18:06 PM
Hey Grubby if it was up to me you know we would be back with the back to back to back trophy but hey I am done and so are you.. Its up to the young Scots to get it done.
  I just hope they bring the fire and passion that Scots of old have always brought...
  Who cares about awards lets win the only thing that matters this week the Conference Championship...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2006, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 02:01:56 AM
Old lion, I was not able to find a Massey MOV, (margin of victory) which is the sophisticated BCS style computerized rankings that Pat mentioned, but if Wesley were in D3, they would be somewhere around 355 out of 400 schools.


Ralph/Narch,

Thanks for the info ... very interesting.

I've been looking at both of the lists (with and w/o the MOV) and based on my limited knowledge of the teams involved, it seems to me that the less sophisticated of the two is the more accurate ... Strange, less is more?

Or maybe the problem is that the Massey MOV is too similar to the BCS.  :D

Below are the rating for the GSAC and for a lot of the teams on our schedules.

It appears my "bell-shaped curve" theory is still in tact, sort of  ...

The rankings ...
45 .... 90,94......154..........250

will fit nicely with a
  3..... 2,2 ....... 2 .............. 1 distribution.  ;)

Chng   Team                 W   L  Rating       Sched

45     Maryville TN          19   6   0.258   -0.20 ( 75) G South

90      Fisk                  14  10   0.014   -0.22 ( 79) G South

94     Huntingdon            18   7   0.006   -1.02 (226) G South

154     Piedmont              13  11  -0.184   -0.86 (197) G South

250     LaGrange               7  17  -0.458   -0.49 (109) G South 

Per Ralph's comment that the NCAA selection committee only considers strength of schedule re to DIII schools, it seems that Maryville is in great shape in that regard.

13     Mississippi Col       24   1   0.547   -1.09 (238) American SW East

18     Transylvania          21   4   0.509   -0.10 ( 55) Heartland CAC

20     Albion                19   5   0.458    0.09 ( 30) Mich IAA

53     Centre                17   7   0.200   -0.32 ( 86) Southern CAC

63     Gordon                22   3   0.128   -1.60 (291) C Coast N

96     Emory                 11  13  -0.000    0.06 ( 34) UAA

115     Millsaps              14  11  -0.058   -0.46 (103) Southern CAC

120     Oglethorpe            12  13  -0.080   -0.14 ( 63) Southern CAC

123     Averett               18   7  -0.084   -1.11 (241) USA South

129     Rust                  13   9  -0.111   -0.73 (160) D3 Ind

135     Manchester             9  16  -0.129    0.10 ( 29) Heartland CAC

176     Rhodes                13  12  -0.235   -1.06 (232) Southern CAC

200     Hendrix               11  13  -0.303   -0.75 (163) Southern CAC

203 - 1 Anderson IN            8  17  -0.305   -0.10 ( 57) Heartland CAC

206     Greensboro            12  12  -0.310   -0.87 (200) USA South

211     Sewanee                7  17  -0.323   -0.15 ( 65) Southern CAC

238     Methodist              9  16  -0.409   -0.58 (121) USA South

284     Concordia TX           6  18  -0.607   -0.74 (162) American SW West

288 - 1 Webster Univ          11  13  -0.630   -1.60 (290) St Louis IAC

300     Ferrum                 7  18  -0.676   -1.03 (227) USA South

330     Finlandia              5  14  -0.830   -1.18 (256) D3 Ind

342     Lynchburg              3  22  -0.913   -0.88 (203) ODAC

376     Dallas Univ            3  20  -1.273   -1.61 (293) D3 Ind

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2006, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 22, 2006, 10:25:12 AM
In fact, if NCCAA's are so bad why does Piedmont not play TTU anymore after playing home and home for years? It's because you can't beat them.   

it's because coach glenn is trying to get more d3 regional teams on the pc schedule to improve the chances that his team will get a pool b bid...period

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 10:10:09 AM
narch, thanks, but I could not find how to get to the MOV ranking for Wesley College of Mississippi!  I will try to find it again.

doh...sorry ralph...should have known you knew where to find the mov ranking in general :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2006, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 22, 2006, 10:54:59 AM
To GriffCoach22:

I get back in town and this is what I get. We are on the brink of probably the best tourney the GSAC has seen since the 2003 tourney  :D  and you and Old Lion are still in this pissing match. Will you ever let your hate of Piedmont (read Old Lion) rest?  I am sick and tired of this between you two.  It serves no useful purpose. Don't make me write a poem about you two  ;)...


See Griff, here's the thing ...

Wilburt is right. Why must we go on hurting each other?

We had something special for awhile, I'll admit that ... but, it's over. My heart's just not in it anymore ... It's time to move on.

Don't beat yourself up ... it's not you, it's me.

Note:
For full emotional effect, hum "Neither One of Us" (by Gladys Knight & The Pips) to yourself as you log off.

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/gladys_knight_and_the_pips/neither_one_of_us.html

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 22, 2006, 04:07:49 PM
South Regional Rankings as of 2-22-2006

1 Mississippi College 22-1 24-1
2 Trinity (Texas) 16-2 20-5
3 Virginia Wesleyan 23-3 24-3
4 Randolph-Macon 19-5 22-5
T5. Fisk 9-4 14-10
T5. Maryville (Tenn.) 14-6 19-6
7 Howard Payne 17-6 18-6
8 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-6 17-8

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 04:55:49 PM
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Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 10:10:09 AM
narch, thanks, but I could not find how to get to the MOV ranking for Wesley College of Mississippi!  I will try to find it again.

doh...sorry ralph...should have known you knew where to find the mov ranking in general :)

No malice assumed, Narch!   :) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 22, 2006, 05:11:28 PM
Wilburt:  Among many reasons I am bummed about having to rely on the radio this weekend is that I would really like to have a drink on and with you.  Except for the Chaney birdshot crack.

It is great that this tournament looks to be real competitive and that it matters for the NCAA tourney who wins it.

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 05:19:37 PM
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Per Ralph's comment that the NCAA selection committee only considers strength of schedule re to DIII schools, it seems that Maryville is in great shape in that regard.

old lion, I recommend your using Pat Coleman's QOWI numbers on the Pool B or C boards than Massey (MOV) as a more accurate assessment of strength of schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 22, 2006, 06:54:29 PM
This is a definite in the conference tourney.  Lagrange will not win and Bobby Golden will be taunted for being fat.  This tourney has so much uncertainty.  I look for piedmont to upset hundington.  That is who they play is it not.  Im not sure all i know is that our little men need to come up big against the other GSACers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2006, 07:42:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 05:19:37 PM
old lion, I recommend your using Pat Coleman's QOWI numbers on the Pool B or C boards  than Massey (MOV) as a more accurate assessment of strength of schedule.

Ralph, thanks, but I'm afraid I'm going to need more direction. Can you send me a link or otherwise instruct me?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 08:06:43 PM
Old lion, here is the link.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2870.msg488810#msg488810
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 22, 2006, 08:25:03 PM
Beaty, HC plays Fisk, MC might play PC, if they beat LC in the play-in game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 23, 2006, 07:41:37 AM
Nice articles about the GSAC tourney in the Maryville paper and Montgomery paper:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/230931

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060223/SPORTS/602230358&SearchID=73236524161660

Go Fisk.....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 23, 2006, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 08:06:43 PM
Old lion, here is the link.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2870.msg488810#msg488810

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 23, 2006, 03:37:30 PM
you guys can't handle the pressure of a real gsac tourney
this is not like years past where it was maryville's to lose
I wish i could be there, it is going to be fantastic
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 23, 2006, 06:06:23 PM
oh we got the "play- in game" instead of the first round bye.  If i were murvul i would rather have it like this.  Look for the winner of the HC/Fisk game to be tired especially Fisk being away from home.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: pistolpete24 on February 23, 2006, 08:42:49 PM
Does anyone have an update on the PC/LC game?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 23, 2006, 09:39:50 PM
Did you boys see coach pearl he reminded me of haynesworth
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 23, 2006, 10:40:22 PM
Lagrange won by two with a jump shot around the FT line with 1.9 seconds left... very good game, Jackson left early with an ankle injury. 

Good game Lions, sorry your season had to end that way.  You played very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 23, 2006, 10:46:17 PM
If Jackson is out, I don't see MC/LC being too close of a game. 

FU/HC is going to be a battle, and from the way things went last time, I have a feeling that some guys may get dirty.  I just hope both teams realize they are playing for a conference championship and a possible national tourney bid, rather than playing to get revenge physically. 

But we will see...

GO HAWKS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 11:16:35 PM
LaGrange (in-region 6-14, .300) contributes a weaker QOWI value than a victorious Piedmont (at in-region 9-8, .529) would have to everyone that played them, and they have knocked the QOWI value that everyone received from Piedmont by 2 points per game.

Piedmont's in-region record drops from 8-8 (.500) or a 12-13/4-5 QOWI value to 8-9 (.471) or a 10-11/2-3 QOWI value.

IMHO, this hurts the chances of the GSAC from getting at least a 2nd Pool B bid, especially with the uncertainty of the Neb Wes situation.

What we have here now is a "real toy-nah-mint" in the GSAC!!! ;)

In the old Southwest Conference, the 1961 Texas Longhorns were #1 in nation going into the TCU game.  TCU upset the Longhorns, destroying the Longhorns hopes for a National Championship.

In the post-game interview, Texas Head Coach Darrell Royal compared the physically out-manned TCU Horned Frogs to "cockroaches". 

"They're like a bunch of cockroaches. It's not what they eat and tote off, it's what they fall into and mess up that hurts.

Congratulations to Coach Haynes and his "Cockroaches".  Have a fun time messing things up!  :D ;) :)

Travel safely all! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 23, 2006, 11:25:32 PM
Do you think whoever wins the tournament, excluding Lagrange, will get a bid to the national tourney, whether it be pool B or C?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 11:42:08 PM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 23, 2006, 11:25:32 PM
Do you think whoever wins the tournament, excluding Lagrange, will get a bid to the national tourney, whether it be pool B or C?

Urban, respectfully, I think that the GSAC is fighting for one Pool B bid.  There are so many upsets occurring in the respective conference tourneys, that Pool C bids may be very tough to get.

I say that we have a real tourney.  I think that we can make a case for MC, FC and HC to get a Pool B bid.

I think this is a great thing for the GSAC.  I am happy for how this tourney just got more exciting, even for the cockroaches! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 23, 2006, 11:46:28 PM
thank you... i do think that this is great for the GSAC, hopefully whoever makes it will represent the conference well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 24, 2006, 07:39:11 AM
Ralph,
We try to do all that we can. 

I remember a coach of mine telling us that story.  A defenite classsic. 

Cockroaches.....I kinda like it.

Update on Corie Jackson:  Came down on someone's foot after shooting a three( I though protect the shooter was one of the certainties in college basketball), we have called in Barry Bond's trainer to rub some magic cream on it and if that doesn't work we have a player whose aunt is a witch doctor.

Piedmont is a great group of play-making kids.  They really know how to play and we couldn't put them away.  We haven't had and may never have an answer for Jake Baldwin.  In three games he has missed five shots against us.  I wish their seniors the best in that "real world".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 24, 2006, 02:40:35 PM
For Immediate Release
Feb. 24, 2006
Great South Athletic Conference announces year-end basketball honors

The GSAC held its conference awards ceremony at the championship tournament being held at Huntingdon College in Montgomery, Ala. Huntingdon's Allen White was named the GSAC Player of the Year. LaGrange's Travis Moore was the GSAC Freshman of the Year. The GSAC Coach of the Year was Huntingdon's Tony Duckworth.

White, a senior guard, led Huntingdon in scoring with a 15.9 points per game average. He also led the team with 68 steals while pulling down 4.1 rebounds per game. White was named the GSAC Men's Player of the Week three times during the 2005-06 season.

Moore, a point guard, averaged 3.4 points per game and 5.5 points per game in GSAC games. He averaged 1.5 rebounds and 1.1 assists per game.

Duckworth guided Huntingdon to an 18-7 regular season record and the GSAC regular season co-championship. The Hawks have improved their win totals under Duckworth the last three seasons.


2005-06 Men's Basketball Year-End Honors

Player of the Year - Allen White, Huntingdon

Freshmen of the Year - Travis Moore, LaGrange

Coach of the Year - Tony Duckworth, Huntingdon

All-Conference 1st Team -
Allen White, Huntingdon, SR, G, Detroit, Mich. 15.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg.
Monte Calloway, Marvyille, SR, G, Somerset, Ky. 15.6 ppg, 5.0 rpg.
Bobby Golden, Maryville, JR, P, Louisville, Tenn. 14.9 ppg, 6.4 rpg.
Jeremiah Williamson, Fisk, SR, G, Laconia, Tenn.
Cole Hairston, Huntingdon, JR, F, Snellville, Ga. 12.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg
Jake Baldwin, Piedmont, SO, F, Cumming, Ga. 15.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg.

All-Conference 2nd Team -
Corie Jackson, LaGrange, SR, G, Columbus, Ga. 13.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg
Courtney Ellis, Fisk, SR, F, Memphis, Tenn.
Bo Mason, Marvyille, SO, G, Kennesaw, Ga. 13.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg.
Marquis Patton, Fisk, JR, G, Atlanta, Ga.
Justin Babian, Huntingdon, SR, G, Lynchburg, Tenn.12.3 ppg, 4.6 rpg

All-Freshman Team -
Travis Moore, LaGrange, G, Acworth, Ga. 3.4 ppg, 1.5 rpg.
Samuel Coppage, Maryville, G, Ringgold, Ga. 2.8 ppg, 0.4 rpg.
Goldie Hall, Fisk, F, Nasville, Tenn.
David Sampleton, Huntingdon, G, Huntsville, Ala. 2.7 ppg, 1.8 rpg
Andrew Shumate, Maryville, Greeneville, Tenn. 1.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 24, 2006, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 23, 2006, 10:40:22 PM
Lagrange won by two with a jump shot around the FT line with 1.9 seconds left... very good game, Jackson left early with an ankle injury. 

Good game Lions, sorry your season had to end that way.  You played very well.

Thanks for the kind words, Urban. It's tough to beat a competitive, scrappy bunch like LaGrange 3 times. Kudos to them, they deserved the win.

And ... Kudus to the Huntingdon stat guy!!!! Tremendous improvement! Brent Walker had a career high 9 assists ... and the son-of-a-gun got every one of them. Wow ... good job ...  Do you think we can send him down to LaGrange to work with their guy?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 24, 2006, 11:23:17 PM
Yipes!  Can anybody beat the Hawks?   Did not sound on the radio like the Scots played especially well in beating LaGrange.  Maybe Huntingdon wore themselves out w/ Fisk.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 24, 2006, 11:35:54 PM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 23, 2006, 10:46:17 PM
If Jackson is out, I don't see MC/LC being too close of a game. 

FU/HC is going to be a battle, and from the way things went last time, I have a feeling that some guys may get dirty.  I just hope both teams realize they are playing for a conference championship and a possible national tourney bid, rather than playing to get revenge physically. 

But we will see...

GO HAWKS


Jackson played, but he obviously wasn't at 100% ... that was definately a factor in Murvul winning so easily.

But, taking nothing away from Murvul ... those guys are a great "team" ... whoever Lambert puts on the floor is solid and does their job well. I don't think Mason even scored tonight and they still won easily. I think I'm starting to understand this "Andy Chaney for President" stuff ... he is clearly the most underrated player in the GSAC ... makes few mistakes, great passer, drills open shots, doesn't try to do too much  ... just solid.

HC/FU was a great game tonight. I'm going to hang around tomorrow and see if HC can knock off Murvul. I think all the stars are aligned for a HC win ... 7 expereienced guys who are playing well (the freshman, #30 also looked good), the tourney being in The Brick House where opposing teams FG%s automatically go down by 20 or 30%, Murvul lost their best player a few weeks ago ... if Murvul can't be beaten under those conditions, they may never lose a GSAC tourney.

We'll see ... s/b a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 25, 2006, 12:26:00 AM
Saw the Fisk- Huntingdon game, and we lost 58-56.  It was close and Fisk had several chances to put Huntingdon away, but failed to do so in the end.  An unforced turnover and a foul on Fisk's last two possessions cost Fisk the game.   The game was not a battle, and no one played dirty (as I saw it). There were some questionable calls that went both ways and the refs heard from me about that.

Chris Adams, Jeremiah Williamson and Marquis Patton played well, but the Bulldog big men had a relatively dissappointing game.  A 15-11 season is not what I had in mind for Fisk for this year but so be it.  You lick your wounds and prepare for next season!

Glad to meet Raul, Coach Haynes, and Coach Duckworth. I would like to wish the GSAC tourney champion all the best and a Pool B bid.  It has been a great season for the GSAC....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 25, 2006, 01:18:51 AM
Wilburt, it doesn't sound like you give HC any credit... I thought they played a pretty good game.  Good defense, and the defense from HC's big men, especially Jon Dodd, was pretty outstanding.  I think if there was an award for Defensive Player of the Year, he would be up for it.

Adams is a player, I'll tell ya that much, and I don't see why you say it wasn't a battle, pretty tough game throughout... no one really played dirty from what I saw though.  There may have been a few cheap shots, but there's usually always a couple. 

Fisk played good, but you give no credit to Huntingdon.  Oh, I also heard they stole 3 seat covers after their shoot-around this morning.  That's pretty classy.

Good luck to both teams tomorrow in the GSAC Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 25, 2006, 01:40:26 AM
Urban Myth:  I thought Fisk had the game sewed up when they were up by about 9 or 10 in the second half.  Unforced turnovers and poor rebounding cost Fisk  the game rather than the defensive effort by Huntingdon.  The thing I give Huntingdon credit for was not allowing Fisk to get second and third shots late in the 2nd quarter.   HC's big men were stiff, do not move every well and did not play all that great of defense in my opinion.  But they did outplay, outposition and outhustle Fisk's big men for some key rebounds.  That was a big difference in the game not their defensive effort.   

BTW, when I said it was not a battle - I meant physical and that no one really played dirty like you and I would appear to agree.

I am not going to go into stolen seat covers with you.  IMHO, from what I saw they weren't worth stealing (if in fact they were) anyway.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 04:49:54 PM
Huntingdon leads Maryville at the half, 29-23. Go Hawks!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 05:16:41 PM
HC 44-38 with ten minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 05:19:50 PM
Hawks, keep those scores coming.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 05:21:20 PM
HC 47-38, 8 minutes left
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 05:27:12 PM
HC 50-40, 6 minutes left
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 05:30:12 PM
HC 54-42, 4:30 to go
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 05:31:52 PM
HC 56-42, 3:19 left
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 05:34:21 PM
HC 59-44 with 2:28 left
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 05:37:36 PM
HC 61-46 with 1:11 left
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 05:38:36 PM
Pulling away...

Congratulations to the Hawks and Coach Duckworth!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 25, 2006, 05:40:14 PM
HC 61-48 :14 left

Way to go Hawks!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2006, 05:41:45 PM
There cannot be any doubt as to which team in the GSAC is the best these last few weeks!   HC 61-MC 48.

Congrats to the Hawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2006, 05:45:58 PM
Alan White Tourney MVP.  Scots could not score or rebound.  Credit to White, Duckworth, Hairston et al.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2006, 05:51:38 PM
MC shot 25% and 47-32 HC rebound edge.  The seniors really played like it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 25, 2006, 11:44:41 PM
Congratulations Hawks!  Playing all those out of region non-D-3's paid off for you defensively.  Everyone knows that is why you held Maryville to 25% from the field tonight! 

Good luck getting into the tournament.  If the GSAC gets a team, it will definitely be Huntingdon.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 25, 2006, 11:47:14 PM
Congratulations to the Hawks.  They finally did it.  Great overall team defense and rebounding.  Held Maryville to 25% shooting and only 7 offensive rebounds, a huge improvement from what they usually give up on the boards.

Congrats to Allen White and Coach Duckworth.  Let's hope they make that national tourney.

Old Lion, I can see why you said Piedmont should have had two players.  Allen White proved why he was Player of the Year, Cole Hairston proved why he was 1st Team All Conference, but Justin Babian did not show up offensively.  Good defense throughout, but I don't think he proved he was 2nd Team All Conference.

Congrats again, especially to the Huntingdon seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2006, 12:53:50 PM
Great rebounding and defensive effort by the Hawks!  It seemed like MC didn't get more than a couple of offensive rebounds the entire game. When you can hold MC to 48 points you've done something.

Congratulations Hawks!

One thing about the game did puzzle me, though. With almost 4 minutes to go and MC only down about a dozen or so ... Lambert pulled most of the starters ... and then cleared his bench with over 2 minutes to go???

HC's "Achilles heel" is their ball handling/guards. MC is loaded with quick, aggressive defenders ... Why not press the heck out of HC for the final few minutes and see what happens?

Hey, obviously Lambert is a great coach ... it just seemed to be a little early to throw in the towel ...

Can some of you MC fans (Killer?) explain that thinking ... finishing the game like that
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2006, 02:33:43 PM
 No doubt about it the Hawks earned and deserved the victory.. They played with more passion then Fisk and Maryville this weekend and that is why they came up on top..
   Although I still believe that Maryville and Fisk have better teams its always tough to win games when your Point Guards don't have good games.
You must have a "Pilot" who runs the system to win Conference Championships...
  Old Lion you were at the game so I will tell you like this.. Did we get anything from our top 8 in 36 minutes of basketball?? Absolutely not... Most of the guys who Coach sat down for the exception of Chaney and Martin will be back.. Sometimes you must see what it truly means to lose a game... It fuels fire for the upcomign season....
On a side note I hope the guys use the lost as inspiration for next season.. Thats how it is when teams beat Maryville...
It has beenn a great season for everyone in the GSAC... Congrats to everyone but remember this, it is consistency thta makes you a good program and that is what we are here at Da Ville.. The hawks graduate everyone good luck staying on top as well as Fisk....

P.s.    My Lady Scots won it all....(17-0) in the conference 22-6 overall and a NCAA tournament bid...... 4 Straight Conf. Championships...
  Oh by the way I AM THE GSAC KILLA..... (20-0) AS A PLAYER (17-0) AS A COACH...    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   37-0............................
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 26, 2006, 04:09:45 PM
Old-Lion:  I think GSACKiller has it right.  In the postgame interview on the radio, Randy said something like "None of the guys I had been playing seemed to want to play so I wanted to see if anyone else did.  Maybe watching the other team celebrate will make some of my players work harder in the off season."   

Having consistency year to year requires thinking all the time about the future.  Having coaches who plan to be around for a while allows you to build and it is one thing about D3 that I really like.  Coaches mostly are committed to things besides "moving up."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2006, 04:46:08 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 26, 2006, 04:09:45 PM
Old-Lion:  I think GSACKiller has it right. 

(Old Lion you were at the game so I will tell you like this.. Did we get anything from our top 8 in 36 minutes of basketball?? Absolutely not... Most of the guys who Coach sat down for the exception of Chaney and Martin will be back.. Sometimes you must see what it truly means to lose a game... It fuels fire for the upcomign season....)

In the postgame interview on the radio, Randy said something like "None of the guys I had been playing seemed to want to play so I wanted to see if anyone else did.  Maybe watching the other team celebrate will make some of my players work harder in the off season."   

Having consistency year to year requires thinking all the time about the future.  Having coaches who plan to be around for a while allows you to build and it is one thing about D3 that I really like.  Coaches mostly are committed to things besides "moving up."

I see your point ... and who am I to question Lambert? He's "the man" in the GSAC ... I just couldn't believe he "threw in the towel" that early.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 26, 2006, 04:55:59 PM
Well it doesn't look like the season is quite over for the Scots.  The projections have both Huntingdon and Maryville going, Maryville seeded 6th in the South, but place Huntingdon seeded 5th in the West region.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/06/projected.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2006, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: Urban Myth on February 25, 2006, 11:47:14 PM
Old Lion, I can see why you said Piedmont should have had two players.  Allen White proved why he was Player of the Year, Cole Hairston proved why he was 1st Team All Conference, but Justin Babian did not show up offensively.  Good defense throughout, but I don't think he proved he was 2nd Team All Conference.

Urban, I appreciate your acknowledging that it wasn't ridiculous to suggest that maybe PC should have had more than one all-GSAC guy ... but I wouldn't single out Babian, he certainly wasn't alone in having a "less the stellar" tourney.

Consider the tourney #s from the guys that did make it ... and from * the three PC guys I suggested deserved serious consideration.

I'll sort them by points per game, since obviously that's what a lot of people consider " most important".


                PPG    FGs        3s    FTs      rpg    apg   topg  spg 

Baldwin    27.0    11/12    0/0    5/8       3.0    0.0    1.0    1.0

                           91.7%            66.7% 

White        23.0    14/34    3/6    15/19 10.5    0.5    4.5    1.0

                            41.2% 50.0% 78.9%

* Adams      20.0    7/11      2/3    4/4        0.0    2.0    0.0    1.0

                            63.6% 66.7% 100%

Patton       14.0    7/11      0/1    0/0        5.0    1.0    2.0     3.0

                            63.6%  0% 

* Green        14.0    4/7        1/2    5/6       2.0    3.0    3.0    0.0

                            57.1% 50.0% 83.3%

                PPG    FGs        3s    FTs      rpg    apg   topg   spg 

Hairston     12.0    11/22   0/0     2/6       5.0    1.0    1.0    2.0

                            50.0%            33.3%

Williamson 11.0    3/13     1/4     4/4       2.0    1.0    1.0   1.0

                            23.1%  25.0% 100%

Golden        10.0    7/16     1/2     5/8       4.5    1.0    3.5   0.5

                            43.8%   50.0% 62.5%

* Walker         8.0    3/8       1/1     1/2       5.0    9.0    6.0   2.0

                            37.5%    100% 50.0%

Jackson         7.5    5/19     5/14    0/0      0.0    2.0    1.5    0.5

                            26.3%    35.7%

....................................................................................................................................

Mason           6.5    3/14    2/12    5/5       3.5    3.0    3.0   0.5

                            21.4%    16.7% 100%

Babian           4.0    2/14     1/9     3/4       3.0    2.5    2.5   1.0

                            14.3%    11.1% 75.0%

and finally ...

Ellis               0.0     0/7       0/0    0/0         9.0    0.0    0.0    0.0

                                0.0%









   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 26, 2006, 08:04:20 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 26, 2006, 04:09:45 PM
Old-Lion:  I think GSACKiller has it right.  In the postgame interview on the radio, Randy said something like "None of the guys I had been playing seemed to want to play so I wanted to see if anyone else did.  Maybe watching the other team celebrate will make some of my players work harder in the off season."   

Having consistency year to year requires thinking all the time about the future.  Having coaches who plan to be around for a while allows you to build and it is one thing about D3 that I really like.  Coaches mostly are committed to things besides "moving up."

Well said Doug and Congratulations to Huntingdon.  I hope both the Hawks and Scots make the tourney this season.  The GSAC Killer is correct as well about Maryville and Fisk being the better teams.  It comes down to who makes the better plays and Maryville and Fisk fell short this weekend.  I expected Chris Adams to lead Fisk to a 20 win season, a Top 25 ranking, and for Chris to be named the GSAC POY.  I hope next season with the new recruits coming to Nashville that we can build on what happened this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2006, 08:40:42 PM
 It would be nice to see two teams make it from the GSAC. It would give the conference some credibility...

  Old Lion I sometimes think as fans we fail to realize who is to blame when losses occur.. I for one always say its the players...  Our players didnt get it done, those are the plain facts.. 48 points!!! are you kidding me.....
   Instead of saying the coach threw in the towel, how about saying the players threw in the towel ... Terrible performance for a team who was the back to back Conference Champions and had a big chance of making the tournament.. Now its up for grabs...
  I hope they make it...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 08:42:59 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2006, 08:40:42 PM
It would be nice to see two teams make it from the GSAC. It would give the conference some credibility...

Only tournament performance can do that, not tournament presence.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 26, 2006, 08:50:59 PM
Old Lion and Urban,
Remember guys the GSAC All-Conference teams were selected by the GSAC coaches based on overall GSAC and regular season performance.  Babian without question deserved  to be selected based on that criteria.  See his numbers on the HC statistics page.  Players, particularly perimeters, have 'off' nights.  IE..should JJ Redick no longer be considered for player of the year or 1st team all-american since he had 2 bad games in a row?  In other words, Babian and others who struggled in the tourney performance can be questioned, but not whether they should be disqualified as all-conference.  That selection occured before the tourney.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2006, 09:35:30 PM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 26, 2006, 08:50:59 PM

Remember guys the GSAC All-Conference teams were selected by the GSAC coaches based on overall GSAC and regular season performance.  Babian without question deserved  to be selected  based on that criteria.   

I agree.

The only thing in question is, did he, Mason, and Ellis deserve to be selected more than the 3 PC guys I'm unashamedly championing?

That's open to debate ... but I can tell you this ... I wouldn't do a straight up, 3 for 3 swap.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2006, 09:37:56 PM
You know what, bad karma, bad schedule, bad presence of mind, bad coaching...etc.  IT DOESNT MATTER.  The team who puts it through the hoop and keeps the other team from doing so wins.  MC really slumped toward the end of the season.  Im not trying to point any fingers but a pure point guard like a Raul or even a reuben wouldnt hurt.  Bo is a great player but he would be a better player at the 2 guard.  I think maybe we could groom sammy into the starting PG and move bo to shooting guard and put JJ at 3 guard with a combination of Bobby Jerms and Bradley in the paint.  Man this is the first time i can remember that the scots didnt make the tourney.  It wasnt because of bad coaching though.  Keep em' strong Randy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2006, 09:41:15 PM
Pat or Ralph.  Is there some sort of minimum amount of activity needed to retain my screen name and stats.  Last year it deactivated my account
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2006, 10:50:10 PM
                                    SCOTS
                                       ARE
                                         IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The streak continues....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2006, 09:41:15 PM
Pat or Ralph.  Is there some sort of minimum amount of activity needed to retain my screen name and stats.  Last year it deactivated my account

Spencer, Pat Coleman moved the message boards from the old format and server to this current server and the new message board program.

In the process, he practically could not save all of the accounts.

Personally, he consolidated my football account into my hoops account.

I doubt that you will lose you account this off-season..

Maryville, travel safely during the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 26, 2006, 11:12:29 PM
Very disappointing. I figured 20 wins and a 13 game win streak at the end would be enough to get in even with the weak schedule. I guess HC will need to work on that in the future.
Congrats, MC. Make the GSAC proud.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 26, 2006, 11:28:13 PM
All I know is that it is a crock of SH!t for Huntingdon to not make the tournament after beating Maryville twice in 13 days.  Maryville couldn't even win the conference tournament.  It goes to show you that this crap is all politics. 

Huntingdon is the better team and proved it the last two weeks!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2006, 12:54:43 AM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 26, 2006, 11:28:13 PM
All I know is that it is a crock of SH!t for Huntingdon to not make the tournament after beating Maryville twice in 13 days.  Maryville couldn't even win the conference tournament.  It goes to show you that this crap is all politics. 

Huntingdon is the better team and proved it the last two weeks!

Griff, respectfully, Villa Julie prevailed solely on the numbers of an entire season.

D3 does not have the D1 rule of the last 10 games.  I really thought that there were sufficient results in the last half of the season for some subjective criteria to be employed, specifically last half of the season as stated in the handbook.  Quite the opposite!  Any attempt to politic at the national level failed.

This is the second time in 4 years that Maryville has lost in the Tourney and yet gotten a Pool B bid.  I have probably ruffled some feathers about finding at least 2 more men's programs to get to Pool A status.  As I understand the women become Pool A next year.  I hoe that the GSAC can find 2 more men's members.

As I looked at the Maryville page on D3hoops, I saw that this is the lowest point total to which they have been held in the last 4 seasons.

The percentage of the margin of victory 13 points allowed over 48 points scored (27%) is worst defeat handed Maryville TN in that period also, equivalent to a 101 to 80.

I am truly saddened for Huntingdon's omission.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 27, 2006, 07:20:16 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 26, 2006, 11:12:29 PM
Very disappointing. I figured 20 wins and a 13 game win streak at the end would be enough to get in even with the weak schedule. I guess HC will need to work on that in the future.
Congrats, MC. Make the GSAC proud.

Ditto. Make the the GSAC proud MC!  You got a second chance...

Griffcoach22:  You need some anger management classes and start to look at things objectively. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 27, 2006, 08:21:03 AM
Tell Maryvul to petition the USA South for full time membership, that will solve your Pool B woes!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2006, 09:25:05 AM
GO SCOTS
Never underestimate Randall D. Lambert
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 27, 2006, 10:53:23 AM
MattGrubb,

Lambert didn't get this done.  The committee must have felt sorry for them.  Huntingdon whipped their butts twice when it counted. 

I wish them the best of luck in the tournament, however. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 27, 2006, 10:57:49 AM
Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 27, 2006, 10:53:23 AM
MattGrubb,

Lambert didn't get this done.  The committee must have felt sorry for them.  Huntingdon whipped their butts twice when it counted. 

I wish them the best of luck in the tournament, however. 

Grow Up Griffcoach22 and quit your whining...

Just work harder next year like we have to do in Nashville.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2006, 11:02:35 AM
I hope Randy figures out how to get maximum effort out of the whole bunch.  

I agree with Ralph that if it were "politics" (by which I assume Griff means "subjective factors dominating"), the Hawks would be in.

I doubt that Maryville would try to leave the GSAC, which Randy had a lot to do with starting.  It clearly has the potential to be a good AQ conference.  Seems to me that a couple of USASouth schools might want to move to the GSAC to enhance their own shot at a Pool A bid (assuming they think they can handle the competition).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2006, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 26, 2006, 11:12:29 PM
Very disappointing. I figured 20 wins and a 13 game win streak at the end  would be enough to get in even with the weak schedule. I guess HC will need to work on that in the future.
Congrats, MC. Make the GSAC proud.

1) I agree, I thought that would be enough.

2) That must have been their undoing. I can't think of any other reason they wouldn't have gotten in. IMHO, over the last month or so, (with Monte out) they were the best team in the GSAC.

I feel badly for the HC players ... I thought they earned the bid.

Congrats to Murvul. I hope you do well.

In my mind, there is one downside to Murvul getting the bid. It sort of sends the message to the rest of the GSAC ... "It's going to take more than just being a little better than MC ... you are going to have to be a lot better, because they are always going to get the benefit of the doubt on close calls."

I guess it's the "Jordan syndrone" ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2006, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2006, 12:54:43 AM

D3 does not have the D1 rule of the last 10 games.  I really thought that there were sufficient results in the last half of the season for some subjective criteria to be employed, specifically last half of the season as stated in the handbook.  Quite the opposite!  Any attempt to politic at the national level failed.

This is the second time in 4 years that Maryville has lost in the Tourney and yet gotten a Pool B bid.  I have probably ruffled some feathers about finding at least 2 more men's programs to get to Pool A status.  As I understand the women become Pool A next year.  I hoe that the GSAC can find 2 more men's members.


Ralph,

I'm having a hard time understanding why the comittee would pick MC over HC. I think it's obvious that Calloway was clearly MC's best player and they aren't nearly the team they were before he got hurt. The Pool B is subjective, right? Doesn't HC beating MC twice lately matter?

I think I remember you saying that non-DIII opponents don't come into play ... so does that means it didn't hurt HC to play so many teams like Carver Bible, Wesley, etc.? But that maybe they played too many weak DIII opponents? Wouldn't it have to be a factor that while they were playing the Carver Bibles, etc. ... that they weren't playing a tougher opponent, like a DII Carson Neuman or a North Ga?

I'm confused ... it just seems to me that HC earned it by what the did on the court the last month or so ...

One more question for you, re becoming an AQ conference ...
If the 6th team (is it 6 or 7?) joined the GSAC tomorrow, would we get an automatic bid next year? Or is there a waiting period?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2006, 12:05:31 PM
Bitterness is not an attractive quality, i always treat the girl at the bar that is bitter about her xboyfriend very poorly, but i always get it done

Strength of schedule obviously had a lot to do with it

Pat
seems the committee has a sense of humor, Mississippi College could play maryville twice in one weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2006, 12:45:28 PM
The golden dome will rock out with 2 maryvilles in one place.  I love the golden dome.  I am going to meet an MC Choctaw alum for lunch right now, i am going to try and poison his pizza.  Go Scots.

Bobby The Golden Dome will be his name after this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 27, 2006, 02:15:42 PM
Well I really thought Huntingdon deserved to get in...  I think they should have made it over Maryville, I believe they proved that the past 2 weeks, but I didn't think Villa Julie would make it over them too.  I would have taken the two GSAC teams first. 

One thing I don't understand is that, if Maryville was selected on region record and all that, didn't Fisk have a better region record, so why weren't they selected over Maryville?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2006, 02:18:38 PM
I will try to outline my understanding of conference membership and a side-by-side of HC and VJC and the tourney bid tonight!  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 27, 2006, 02:19:06 PM
Nevermind, not sure what I was thinking about the Fisk thing, disregard that comment.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2006, 02:44:30 PM
i was a bit surprised to see hc left out of the tourney, as well

i've calculated sosi for each of the three teams (m'ville, hc and vjc)...ralph, please check my calculations for accuracy

m'ville sosi = 9.27, 15-7 regional record (.682)
vjc sosi = 9.09, 17-4 regional record (.809)
hc sosi = 8.89, 12-6 regional record (.667)

if these are the only numbers you are looking at, it's easy to see why huntingdon got left out of the tournament...lowest sosi and lowest regional winning %

i thought head-to-head was a large factor, as well, and it seems like the 2 wins vs. m'ville would have counted for more, but apparently not

i know very little about most of the teams that vjc played, but when you see names like baptist bible and polytechnic, you don't necessarily think basketball powerhouses, although baptist bible went 22-5 (14-4) and was a regional opponent for vjc - vjc did have two really bad home losses, to chestnut hill and st. mary's (md), both teams who were under .333 in region games

bottom line, huntingdon has to get some of the non-region games off of their schedule until such time that the gsac is no longer a pool b conference...instead of playing in a tournament in michigan on dec. 16-17, they could have hosted methodist (who was in alabama playing spring hill and mobile) and another regional team in their own tournament, likely picking up a couple of wins which may have strengthened their sosi somewhat and improved their regional record...even just 14-6 (.700) would have looked better than 12-6 and may have tipped the scales in their favor over m'ville - they would then have a higher regional winning % and two head-to-head wins, althought the sosi would probably still be lower
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 27, 2006, 02:54:53 PM
narch,

you speak a lot of truth... here is the reason HC went and played in Michigan though.  When Allen White was a freshman, Coach Duckworth told him he would try to play somewhere close to his hometown so his friends could see him play, because the majority of the other teammates are somewhat close to Alabama, or reside in AL.  I think going to Michigan was a good thing for Allen since it is his senior year.

But I would agree with getting some of the other non-D3 games off of their schedule and play other D3 teams, regional or not, it will help overall rather than playing the NCCAA schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 27, 2006, 03:14:05 PM
Narch,

If that is how the picks were made, I can easily see why Villa Julie was picked over HC, and they must have been the 3rd pick for the Pool B, while MC was the last choice. 

I do not understand, though, how MC was chosen over HC.  You would think that, as in D1, the later season games would make a difference, as well as the head-to-head.  HC won 4 games against region ranked opponents (MC and Fisk) in the last two weeks, as well as a 13 game win streak... You would think that would count for something, but I guess not. 

Obviously the Pool B picks were based on the first criteria, because if they had been based on secondary criteria, those factors (the above mentioned) would have been taken into consideration and HC would probably be dancing instead of MC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 27, 2006, 03:26:13 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2006, 02:33:43 PM
Although I still believe that Maryville and Fisk have better teams

I think you're wrong on this Killer... Fisk was definitely more athletic and probably more talented, but not a better "TEAM" than Huntingdon.  I don't think Maryville was a better "TEAM" either, and I think the level of talent would be pretty close.  I think HC proved that the past two weeks.

When I played AAU back in the day, I played with some of the best players throughout the state.  We were easily more talented and athletic than anybody we played.  But we lost our first two games, because we weren't a TEAM.

There's a big difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 27, 2006, 05:44:57 PM
Oh, and for anyone interested...

I hear Coach Duckworth will be talking on Hoopsville tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 27, 2006, 06:28:13 PM
The scots need to pick up the pace to get anywhere in this ncaa tourney.  We do have a better reputation and huntingdon, im sorry but maybe next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on February 27, 2006, 07:03:46 PM
Huntingdon did deserve to get in, just not the NCAA Tournament. They deserved to get in to a local restaurant and watch the selection committee shaft them just like it did Maryville in the Scots early Lambert years. Lambert has NCAA tournament wins, reputation as an outstanding coach, and the credibility in scheduling that tournament officials respect and expect from a quality program. Huntingdon needs to establish some credibility to line up with the Kenny Maynes and Jerry Rices, not to mention Shiela Evans twin Stacey Kiebler. Two things mean spring on the Maryville campus, the dogwoods blooming and Lambert and the Scots putting on their dancing shoes. Best to Huntingdon next year and its a shame their is not an NIT for them to compete in. Thats where they belonged.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Urban Myth on February 27, 2006, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: Big Dog on February 27, 2006, 07:03:46 PM
Huntingdon did deserve to get in, just not the NCAA Tournament. They deserved to get in to a local restaurant and watch the selection committee shaft them just like it did Maryville in the Scots early Lambert years. Lambert has NCAA tournament wins, reputation as an outstanding coach, and the credibility in scheduling that tournament officials respect and expect from a quality program. Huntingdon needs to establish some credibility to line up with the Kenny Maynes and Jerry Rices, not to mention Shiela Evans twin Stacey Kiebler. Two things mean spring on the Maryville campus, the dogwoods blooming and Lambert and the Scots putting on their dancing shoes. Best to Huntingdon next year and its a shame their is not an NIT for them to compete in. Thats where they belonged.

Whoa, hey now "Big Dog", slow your roll... First off, to be selected into the NCAA tournament is not based on reputation or a team's prestige, it's based on a team's performance; or atleast it should be.  But maybe that is the reason Maryville got in, solely on their name.  Second, Huntingdon belonging in the NIT... Obviously you weren't at the game... or maybe you played in it.  Either way, if the selections were based on performance, they would realize that Huntingdon should be in the dance this year.  Because like someone previously pointed out, Huntingdon did something that no one has done in the past four years... they held Maryville to 25% shooting, and a point total of 48.  And you may say it was luck, or a bad game for the Scots, but Huntingdon beat them 2 weeks before that too. 

Now in all this I'm not saying Maryville shouldn't be dancing, I'm just saying that Huntingdon should be dancing either with them or in their place.  Maryville does have a great team.  But I don't see where you get off saying Huntingdon belongs in a NIT tourney when they just beat the brakes off of Maryville, who you say belongs in the dance.  So by your reasoning, either Huntingdon should be dancing or neither of them should be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on February 27, 2006, 11:50:18 PM
Huntingdon played 20 D3 games this year....18 were South Region.  Remember the 2 Michigan games will be counted as 'in-region' beginning next year because all D3 games during a holiday (ie..Christmas...RALPH can confirm) will be included as in-region to help schools like Huntingdon - the only D3 in Alabama.  Consider this...when is Huntingdon going to play all of these other south region teams some suggest......the season begins the week before Thanksgiving....then there is a couple week Christmas break.....remember the majority of other D3's are in conference play come Jan/Feb.  This years schedule shows they played 10 games before Christmas - 8 were D3 and 6 were south region.  Tough to get other D3's in after Christmas other than GSAC.   They typically squeeze a couple of SCAC's in early Jan before conference play.  Looking at the last several years schedule, Huntingdon does not play any games IN ALABAMA - except at home.  Could it be Huntingdon's location is not feasible for many teams to travel to? 

Looking at the 7 Pool B's in South regions schedules on D3hoops only 2 played more South Region games than Huntingdon.  Also...RALPH can verify....non-D3 games are only secondary criteria in the selection process, so the 'non's' had no effect on Huntingdon not getting in.  In other words, 18 south region and 20 overall D3 is on par, or better scheduling, with other non AQ teams.  As for 'strength of schedule' that is not always easy to determine a year or two in advance when scheduling occurs....for instance, I'm sure most would have never envision Fisk winning as few as they did this year.  All is my opionion, of course...........                 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2006, 11:52:43 PM
Y'all might find the quotes  in the local paper from Randy Lambert about the NCAA selection interesting.  This article was written before anyone knew what was going to happen.  
http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/231273
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 28, 2006, 09:03:06 AM
I feel for those folks in Huntingdon. But Griffcoach22 I think 3 out the 5 GSAC schools have major scheduling challenges.  ODAC schools apparently won't play Maryville; Sewanee and Rhodes would rather play the 4 other GSAC schools than FISK; and Huntingdon is the lone D3 in Alabama.  That's probably all the more reason why the GSAC needs to get an AQ as soon as feasibly possible.

I am still of the opinion that the GSAC tourney needs to be played on a neutral court.  Although the folks at Huntingdon were great tourney hosts, I think the tourney would have been better attended had it been in Atlanta. It is as about as centrally located to all of the GSAC schools as you can get, plus I believe more GSAC alums (like myself) can attend the games and support their respective schools.   

Why can't Spelman or Agnes Scott  alternate as tourney hostesses?  Or why not let Oglethorpe host the GSAC tourney for 3-5 consecutive years as an incentive to join the GSAC!  Just food for thought for the GSAC Athletic Directors.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 28, 2006, 09:42:17 AM
i bet if you're a m'ville fan or coach, you're kind of glad that the gsac is a pool b conference...i haven't done the research, but i wonder how m'ville's sosi and in-region record stack up against some of the pool c's that didn't get in?  i'd be willing to bet it's lower, but i'll have to do some research to confirm that

ralph, have you done any of this research to save me some time/energy?

griffcoach...you make some good points re: geography and scheduling difficulty...if huntingdon wants to get into the ncaa tourney in future years, they'll simply have suck it up and make some trips to south region teams - pool b hopefuls have to take a "we'll play anybody, anywhere" attitude if they want to make their resume look attractive to the committee - while you are correct that the non-d3's didn't hurt hc, it doesn't appear that a schedule of carber bible and atlanta christian helped them, either - i'll emphasize this again...had they played and won just 2 more south region games, the regional winning % would have been better than that of m'ville...i think it would have been much more difficult for the committee to exlude hc vs. m'ville with a better regional winning % and two head-to-head victories
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 10:47:28 AM
Griff, the "Holiday" legislation has been tabled.  I don't think that Pat Coleman will "diss" 2 games out of 20 D3 games being in another region.

I will bet that the Holiday legislation gets revisited in the near future.

What the GSAC needs are 2 more GSAC teams that will give 4 more GSAC (D3) games.

Atlanta Christian bringing their programs up to GSAC status?  Getting Shorter to move to D3?

Sorry I did not have time to do my HC vs. VJC breakdown... maybe  tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 10:52:37 AM
narch, my rough guess is that Maryville has been Pool C calibre 2 of the 6 years that the pool system has been going.  The other 4 years I would say that the GSAC would be a weaker mid-major.

I think that Huntingdon's defense matched up better than Maryville's against both Trinity and especially MissColl.

I am looking forward to the games in Clinton.

I think that MissColl beat Maryville TN (my bad) MO by 20 in a walk-away, with none of the starters having to play more than 15 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 28, 2006, 10:54:39 AM
No doubt in my mind that the Hawks should have been in the tourney but also recognize that your schedule was not NCAA Tournament material..
Yes you did beat Fisk twice and Maryville twice but that is it.Is that enough to make it to the tournament. In your winning streak you played Pensacola Christian, Carver Bible, Atlanat Christian, I believe twice. Also Ferrum and someone else from the USA South which are garbage!!
 Imagine that we would have subsituted our south region losses with cupcake teams like Huntingdon did, we would be 24-3... But our strength of schedule would be terrible, and the possibility of making the tourney would shrink..
  My question to your team is: Knowing you had 6 seniors and basically a very experienced team why not play more games on the road and get quality points against quality opponents.. You had like 15 to 18  home games.. Does not help you very much...
   If there is someone or something to blame is your scheduling...
Besides all these things you had a great season and a great conference tournament...
 Good luck next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2006, 10:55:47 AM
The "national posters" on the Bumblin' B's board in Multi-Regional are unanimous that Maryville is "toast", shouldn't be there anyway, and has no chance of beating Trinity, never mind Miss. College.  All I can hope for is that Trinity believes this and the Scots do not.

Without Monte, though, it's hard to see where the points are going to come from.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 28, 2006, 12:47:52 PM
i remember a time when Rose Hulman won the scac and everyone said they pretty much had a bye in the first round by playing maryville, RH had an all american and a bunch of seniors and they got the business, Fighting Scot style

That was a much different atmosphere in Maryville then, one where the scots felt they had to prove something, it seems now that the scots need to prove something again, b/c they are not that good, especially without Monte, they are not the better team when compared to Huntingdon, that is a fact, they did have a better schedule.  Now these scots, who are young need to prove something for next season's sake, they need to prove they are good enough to be there.  They need to prove they have some resolve and are not just riding the name of Maryville and prove they deserve to represent the fighting scots.  They will enjoy Jackson it is a nice town to play in the NCAA tourney and good luck.  Hope you are ready for the challenge scots b/c it won't be easy and you have a lot to prove.  Go Scots.

I love the Big Show
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 28, 2006, 01:18:08 PM
Check out these articles.  Very informative about the MC selection...

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/231344


http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/231337
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2006, 02:01:26 PM
Informative, perhaps, but not entirely accurate.

False: "While you can't compare wins to predict an outcome, that the game was so close might have made an impression on Piedmont coach Lee Glenn, who represents all of Pool-B to the committee."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 28, 2006, 02:30:53 PM
Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2006, 02:58:39 PM
Come on, Pat.  The Daily Times guy got more of it right than most reporters and half the posters to this site!   Yeah I know, he did not get ALL of it right....  He even called Duckworth and got his take on the situation.

Still, how often to you get positive references to D3Hoops.com and bracketology in newspapers?

Matt:  You're right...do they want to make a statement about their future as a program?

Let's hope so.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 05:53:09 PM
Wilburt,

I linked to the Daily Times and found the article quite interesting.

QuoteAnd maybe that's where the whole NCAA selection controversy between Maryville College and Huntingdon College really started, with the Kilted Krazies pointing to seven-consecutive NCAA tournament appearnce banners hanging from the farters (sic) of the Cooper Center.

The Daily Times must own really unique "spellcheck" software.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 28, 2006, 09:50:24 PM
Jeremy holiday will have a breakout tourney game and no one will even know about it.  He is the best quiet player that i have ever seen
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 28, 2006, 09:52:52 PM
IN my expert opinion i say that it doesnt matter how MC does in the NCAA's.  They are playing with next years team and Andy Chaney.  Even though andy is the man the x factor and the next president of the united states we will be ok without my favorite person of all time and expert grass mower.  We made it through the loss of the great hern dog so anything else is no big deal.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 01, 2006, 07:36:18 AM
Ralph I think The Daily Times writer was hinting that Piedmont's Coach Glenn had something to do with Maryville getting the Pool B bid over Huntingdon, since he was a member of the committee.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2006, 08:25:13 AM
Quote from: wilburt on March 01, 2006, 07:36:18 AM
Ralph I think The Daily Times writer was hinting that Piedmont's Coach Glenn had something to do with Maryville getting the Pool B bid over Huntingdon, since he was a member of the committee.

i think he was speculating rather than hinting...i'd be willing to bet that the numbers (qowi, regional winning %, etc.) had much more to do with it than results vs. piedmont...in fact, i'd go so far as to guarantee it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 08:33:54 AM
I promised to analyze the criteria between VJC and Huntingdon.  As I was listening to the archive of the Monday night Hoopsville, the compelling factor to me became the in-region record.

Villa Julie was 17-4 officially, but had 4 losses to 2nd year provisional  and fellow NEAC members Keystone and PSU-Berks.  that did not count.  An in-region trecord of 17-8 is closer to Maryville and Huntingdon.

I also commented that Fisk may have disappeared from the last in-region ranking, the one we won't see.  I also suggested that the team in the penultimate (that is a Huntingdon-type word meaning "next-to-the last" :D ) regional ranking in the set of teams to be considered "in-region ranked".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 01, 2006, 08:37:35 AM
Ralph:  Didn't Fisk and Huntingdon have identical winning percentages (.667 I think) for the South Region records?  Didn't that play any factor in the decision?

Narch:  Speculate or Hint.  Doesn't matter cause The Daily Times writer just didn't come out and say it. You had to read between the lines...   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 08:38:40 AM
Great job on the Hoopsville interview, Coach Duckworth.

I strongly encourage all D3 fans to listen or download the archives to mp3 each of the Hoopsville shows!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 08:43:05 AM
Quote from: wilburt on March 01, 2006, 08:37:35 AM
Ralph:  Didn't Fisk and Huntingdon have identical winning percentages (.667 I think) for the South Region records?  Didn't that play any factor in the decision?

Narch:  Speculate or Hint.  Doesn't matter cause The Daily Times writer just didn't come out and say it. You had to read between the lines...   

Yes they did and probably .667 wasn't good enough conisdering VJC's "official" in-region was 17-4 .810.  (17-8 is .680.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 01, 2006, 09:21:18 AM
That probably was the difference right there then Ralph.  Logic dictates then that if Fisk had been able to win at least 1 of the 2 GSAC overtime games they lost against Maryville and LaGrange, then they would have likely made it over VJC and Huntingdon!  Or better yet, if Fisk had beaten Huntingdon in the GSAC tourney instead of losing by 2 points, then Fisk would have likely made it!  Those 3 games made the difference...

Looks like a Pool B bid was Fisk's to lose and we lost it cause we lost 4 out of our last 5 games to end the season!  VERY DISAPPOINTING....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 01, 2006, 10:07:16 AM
As a coach this whole situation reallys shines a light on the folks that can put together an entire season of success.  Every year teams start off like super stars but falter in the second half or vice versa.  There is an extreme level of focus and ability going on at some places.  We had several games this season that came down to the last possession or two.  I always find it amazing that you can have 70-90 possessions a game and the last sometimes decides it, when you have missed a lay-up or free throws 25 minutes earlier.  It is similar to the tournament situation.  Some people played well early on, some played well lately and some maintained.  I listened to Duckworth's interview on Hoopsville.  I thought he did a good job.  Do you have to win in order to get on that show, because I could take up a good hour or two if I have had my coffee.  This was an entertaining year in the GSAC.  I hope next year is just as entertaining except we go 7-1 instead of 1-7, but more importantly have a 75% or better south region winning percentage since as I have stated before the GSAC teams are our rivalries but the south region is our conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 01, 2006, 10:07:16 AM
As a coach this whole situation reallys shines a light on the folks that can put together an entire season of success. ...

... but more importantly have a 75% or better south region winning percentage since as I have stated before the GSAC teams are our rivalries but the south region is our conference

+1karma Coach Haynes!  Good luck in the off-season!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 01, 2006, 12:52:05 PM
good job coach haynes, what goes around comes around, eventually you will get your shot, and the better the gsac gets the higher the quality of wins
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 01, 2006, 12:52:54 PM
AHHH, so that is how karma works.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2006, 10:46:03 PM
Hey GSACKiller:  Your ladies played tonight like you and Dee Bell used to.  Go get 'em!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 02, 2006, 11:55:19 AM
That means a lot but its all about the girls.. We prepare they play.. They deserve all the credit in the world... I hope we play with the same fire and understanding of system that we did last night.. Anything can happen!!!!
  Thanks for coming to the game...
Good luck to the Scots this weekend against Trinity... Saw some tape on them, did not impress me one bit... We have a god chance to win...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 03, 2006, 08:38:44 AM
Nice articles on the MCs.   This is the only time this season you will hear me say - Go Scots!!!! 

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/231659


http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006603030332
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2006, 04:26:16 PM
Thanks, William.  I know how hard that was!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 08:07:51 PM
MURVUL 65, Trinity 40; 12:30.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 08:34:50 PM
MURVUL 83, Trinity 64; Final.

Congratulations to the Scots and the GSAC!

Announcers wonder if MURVUL's depth was the difference!

The Scots play the winner of Maryville MO vs MissCollege.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on March 03, 2006, 08:36:56 PM
Huntington and your team. I have to apologize by saying not only did you deserve to be in the tourney, you deserved to be playing somewhere tonight. Please don't hold anything against Maryville and the Scots. Coach Lambert has spoke glowingly about your team. However, tonight's spanking of Trinity irks me that Huntington was not in and Trinity got in. Trinity and their 20-6 record, 12-2 in the conference, GSAC guys we all know that Trinity would not have fared well in the GSAC's multiple houses of pain, Maryville, Huntington, and Fisk. The SCAC getting two teams in the NCAA is a travesty. The GSAC only getting one is an even bigger injustice. When will folks learn that the eight straight years of Maryville College going to the NCAA's speaks to the truth the SCOTS spoke tonight in Miss. SCOTS crush Trinity, flood the court with reserves, and speak directly to my apology, Huntington belonged in the field.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 03, 2006, 08:37:28 PM
i guess maryville decided to show up tonight.  hopefully they will show up tomorrow as well and prove some doubters (including myself) wrong.

actually, i hope mississippi gets upset and then I will take Maryville for $100.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2006, 11:35:57 PM
ohyeah:  Even if the Scots do not "show up" Saturday, they already have proven the bigtime national posters wrong.  One was to be "flabbergasted" if Maryville beat Trinity.  Another had Maryville as "toast" against Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on March 04, 2006, 08:09:37 AM
That is an impressive win for the Scots.  I believe that makes 8 straight years with a win in the tourny as well! 

I just checked out Miss. College's recent scores.  They have had few wins with less than 10 point margins.  If the Scots can keep it close, Miss. will be playing in unfamiliar territory.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 04, 2006, 11:02:47 AM
that is incorrect, Maryville did not win a game in the tourney last year.  They lost a 2nd round host game to Mississippi College.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 04, 2006, 01:04:59 PM
yes we did... oh yea cmon now... your supposed to be a Scots fan.. We beat Methodist by 25..
Good luck to the boys tonight...
Both the girl and the boys play Top 10 teams in the country and teams with only one loss... A trip to the sweet 16 on the line... Lets hope we both bring our A games....
7pm tonight...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 04, 2006, 05:14:40 PM
Again the grubby one is prophetic, i said after the sewannee and oglethorpe losses that we might not be able to handle the worst of the SCAC, but looks like it will be another 1st round victory over there best, while it wasn't their best it was close and we dominated.

Got a tough one against MC tonight, if the scots win i am going to beat up my friend that played there after the game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 04, 2006, 07:34:31 PM
Once again the scots are turning heads and making believers.  Look for someone other than Bo Mason to have a breakout game.  Mississippi will be gunning for bo and that will leave chaney or bobby with the big game.  Look for a close game hopefully how bad did fisk get beat by mississippi college
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 04, 2006, 07:34:31 PM
Once again the scots are turning heads and making believers.  Look for someone other than Bo Mason to have a breakout game.  Mississippi will be gunning for bo and that will leave chaney or bobby with the big game.  Look for a close game hopefully how bad did fisk get beat by mississippi college


MC 88, Fisk 75.

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=48920
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:35:53 PM
We ASC fans have postulated about how hard it is to play in Mississippi.  Here are the posts.

I could postulate numerous theories about  the difficulty of winning in Clinton.

--The Mississippi Mud theory...
--A different requirement for certification courses for officiating basketball in Mississippi...
--Road Weariness...
--the Bayou Voodoo theory.




The response by Mississippi College fan, Millie...  and my replies in italics...

Hey Ralph,

You left out he wind currents in the Golden Dome...2 years ago that was the problem..

Oh I forgot about the wind currents!   

i am not sure about the Mississippi mud...Clinton is on the high side of the Miss River..

But the mud is readily available for use by the locals. 

Road weariness...there is only 1 team that does not have a long way to come...just like we do every other year.

You use it to your advantage whenever you can! 

But, the Bayou Voodoo...wrong state... in Miss it is not a bayou...it is a creek...bayous are in Louisiana    ***

"It's the voodoo that you do"  a Rod Stewart cover for those really romantic nights with the lovely bride,    but I digress!

i agree about the refs...they are bad no matter what side you are on



Well what ever it takes, mud, voodoo,or  wind currents...Mississippi College will need all of these things to line up for them this weekend.   

***Ya'll be careful and drive safe coming through Louisiana...




Murvul has taken control of the game, leading 24-22, with 2:55 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 04, 2006, 08:56:51 PM
murvul leads by 2 at half
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 04, 2006, 11:51:46 PM
Well here we are again, not able to get by the Choctaws.  One of these years....

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 05, 2006, 01:13:16 PM
Articles on the MC-MC game:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060305/SPORTS030105/603050326/1085

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/231790

   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 05, 2006, 01:30:55 PM
Great season guys...

Funny, I did not realize that 20% or 5 of Fisk's 25 regular season games were against teams that made the NCAA d3 tourney [Randolph-Macon, SUNY-Farmingdale. Mississippi College, and Maryville (2)].  Plus games against D1 TSU, Top 25 ranked NAIA Crichton and Top 10 ranked NAIA Trevecca, made for a tougher regular season schedule than one initially thought...     

Hope to have some GSAC recruiting news for you later in the summer!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 05, 2006, 02:10:29 PM
Man we played em tough but this was the telling tale that we really needed monte.  They wouldnt have been able to double bo everytime he go the ball cause monte can knock the threes down.  Man, but thats how it goes cya guys next year.

                                                  Love,
                                            Spencer Beaty
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on March 05, 2006, 03:16:37 PM
I don't know whether Huntingdon deserved to be in the tournament or not but saying that Trinity didn't deserve to be in based on one game is absolutely ridiculous. 

This is a Trinity team that beat Howard Payne (the ASC-West champions), beat Virginia Wesleyan on the road (The ODAC champions), won their conference regular season by 2 games.  They may have performed poorly in their last two games but no reasonable person can say that they didn't deserve to be in the tournament. 

In the regular season Maryville was 2-2 vs the 3rd, 7th, and 9th place teams in the SCAC while Huntingdon was 2-3 vs the 3rd, 7th, 8th, and 9th place teams in the SCAC so I don't want to hear about the GSAC "houses of pain" and I don't want to hear that the SCAC getting two teams in being a travesty. 

This point of this post isn't to take anything away from Maryville or Huntingdon.  Both had great seasons and Maryville had a great NCAA tournament and definitely beat Trinity but...

Trinity was not the last team in the NCAA Tourney and was totally deserving of their bid so please look elsewhere when trying to fit Huntingdon into the tourney field.

Quote from: Big Dog on March 03, 2006, 08:36:56 PM
Huntington and your team. I have to apologize by saying not only did you deserve to be in the tourney, you deserved to be playing somewhere tonight. Please don't hold anything against Maryville and the Scots. Coach Lambert has spoke glowingly about your team. However, tonight's spanking of Trinity irks me that Huntington was not in and Trinity got in. Trinity and their 20-6 record, 12-2 in the conference, GSAC guys we all know that Trinity would not have fared well in the GSAC's multiple houses of pain, Maryville, Huntington, and Fisk. The SCAC getting two teams in the NCAA is a travesty. The GSAC only getting one is an even bigger injustice. When will folks learn that the eight straight years of Maryville College going to the NCAA's speaks to the truth the SCOTS spoke tonight in Miss. SCOTS crush Trinity, flood the court with reserves, and speak directly to my apology, Huntington belonged in the field.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 05, 2006, 03:32:48 PM
Point well made and taken Mr. Carlweathers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 06, 2006, 09:05:36 AM
I just wanted to bring attention to the fact that the Lady Scots had to play essentially the number one seed in the tournament in the second round.  So we can complain about who got in and what not but that is only the beginning.  A tournament is supposed to progess in difficulty until you eliminate the weaker teams, except the cinderellas, and play the best of the best in the end.  I know that geography plays a part and I guess it has to but I bet Wooster is wishing it had gotten sent north or east and not to Transy.  That game should have been played at least one round later.  I know that you got to win with what you brought and win or go home and play whoever but it is just a little frustrating to watch(and by watch I mean check the scores the day after, how about a little tv for Pete's sake!).  Speaking of tv Lagrange has signed a radio contract for 8 home games plus the conference tournament and it will also be on the radio station's website as well.  Keeping up with the Scots and Hawks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 06, 2006, 09:25:19 AM
The 8 home games would include the 4 GSAC games Coach Haynes?

I doubt that Fisk will ever get a deal like that even with the campus radio station WFSK.  In a city like Nashville with 4 Division I schools (Vandy, TSU, Belmont, Lipscomb) and 1 NAIA school (Trevecca) it's tough for a small school like Fisk to get articles about the Bulldogs in the sports section of the city's major newspapers much less get any local radio or tv time!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 06, 2006, 09:46:42 AM
Maryville made the 2nd round again, I think it is about time we looked for a coach who can take us farther, This whole randy lambert thing is getting old, I mean most of us scots fans live in and around knoxville, we can see what unstable coaching positions have done for the vols, maybe put lambert on the hotseat, Beaty is right there, we all know he is the brains in the operation anyway, Lambert is just a pretty face?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 06, 2006, 10:03:25 AM
Matt, if you do that you would need to go external like the Vols did.  That would eliminate S. Beaty, and Dee Bell.  Plus Maryville  would also have to bring in an Associate Head Coach that played at Fisk like the Vols did with Tony Jones to really run the operation  ;D. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 06, 2006, 11:17:06 AM
I agree, we were thinking Latrae Hampton and for you other old school gsacers, did anyone see that Stillman won the SIAC this year, funny they could not do anything in the gsac and are winning the SIAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 06, 2006, 11:51:58 AM
Grubb it's amazing what scholarships can do for you once you go Division II.  Plus they have a new coach - Leon Douglas who played for the Crimson Tide  and the Pistons in the NBA.  There has been debate (not serious) amongst many Fisk alums whether Fisk  should go Division II and rejoin the SIAC, but I personally doubt that Fisk's Board of Trustees will ever vote to leave Division III or to reinstate football.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 06, 2006, 04:57:02 PM
MattGrubb:  Did not know you were so funny.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 06, 2006, 05:16:09 PM
i guess a coach with those kind of connections can make a difference, also they did renovate their gym, if you could call it that in the gsac days.  good for them.

Here are some unknown facts about randy lambert
Randy Lambert has never used a question mark in his entire life, he believes the interrogative tense is a sign of weakness.

Randy Lambert can divide by zero.

Randy Lambert counted to infinity, twice.

Randy Lambert's mother called him Randall once.  Once.

Not only does randy lambert talk in the 3rd person, he also sees in the 3rd person.

Tony Duckworth, these are just a few examples of how Lambert is going to gain revenge upon your hawks next year, so tread softly around the gsac next year b/c lambert is looking for you.  You too coach Haynes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 06, 2006, 05:26:41 PM
Here is something else about Randy.  He is apparently the coach of the team with the most consecutive years of winning a game in the D3 NCAA tournament.  HoopsFan did a little looking.  Here is part of the post from the Bumblin' B's board:
     

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Maryville (TN) is now at 8 years and counting having won at least one game in the tournament.
Amherst is now at 7 and counting.

The next highest active streaks are:
Wooster-4
Lawrence, Puget Sound, and St John Fisher at 3
Calvin, Miss Coll, VA Wes, WPI, and York (PA) are all at 2

The longest consecutive streaks since 1998:

Maryville-8 (99-present)
Amherst-7 (00-present)
Catholic-5 (98-02)
Wooster-4 (03-present)
Rochester-4 (02-05)
Hampden-Sydney-4 (01-04)
Lawrence-3 (04-present)
Puget Sound-3 (04-present)
St John Fisher-3 (04-present)
Hamilton-3 (98-00)
William Paterson-3 (99-01)
John Carroll-3 (03-05)
Salem State-3 (03-05)
Randolph Macon-3 (02-04)
Williams-3 (02-04)
Franklin-3 (98-00)
Gustavus Adolphus-3 (01-03)
Lewis & Clark-3 (00-02)
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: knightmoves on March 06, 2006, 06:42:58 PM
I remember Maryville. They played in the sectional in 2000 when Calvin won it all.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 07, 2006, 03:17:25 PM
that was the 2nd year of the run they are currently on
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 08, 2006, 09:17:18 PM
did we not loose our first game to mississippi college last year.  We did get a bye so i guess you mean getting in the second round of the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 08, 2006, 09:20:51 PM
I dont wanna give away anything, but there are some pretty good high school players that i have seen this year that might be making the trip to murvul college.  I just hope that we stay healthy this year.  THE WHOLE TURNOUT OF THE SEASON DEPENDS ON WHETHER JOHANTHON JOHNSON STARTS MAKING 3'S.  That is not an understatement.  Next year if him or Q dont make there 3's that makes one person who can shoot the longball.  So we need to work on that
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2006, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 08, 2006, 09:17:18 PM
did we not loose our first game to mississippi college last year.  We did get a bye so i guess you mean getting in the second round of the tourney.

Coach Beaty, in the 2005 season,  Maryville hosted Methodist and won convincingly.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 08, 2006, 10:50:45 PM
So Spencer, can any of these maybe recruits shoot the 3?  When are you at liberty to mention their names?  Do you think JJ and Q can become shooters?  I agree we need more than Bo...evidence Miss. College. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 09, 2006, 08:02:38 AM
With due respect to my friends from East Tennessee, you all are going to need much more than someone able to shoot 3s.   It is clear from this year's games with Mississippi College and Fisk University  that a major key to beating Maryville College is to have greater depth than the Scots.

What's the Scots consistent rotation this year - 8 players at best?  If you like to run and have a rotation that can easily go 9-10 deep against Maryville then the chances of beating the Scots increase, unless you play a much slower tempo style of basketball like Huntingdon. 

I'm anxious to see how Mississippi College does this weekend with that depth of talent at virtually every position.  They are and probably will be the team to beat in the South Region next season.  BTW, the team I like a lot is Lincoln University in Pennsylvania.   They should at least make it to the Final Four if not win it all this season!  That's another team oozing with talent... with all those D1 transfers on their roster...     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 09, 2006, 11:11:31 AM
William:  As is often the case, you are right.  The Scots will be harder to beat than they already are if they can go 10 deep without much dropoff, sort of like the Lady Scots (and Mississippi College's men).  I am sure this is not news to Randy.

It is also true that "The System" depends on more than pne option at a time for shooting from outside.  When Monte got hurt, that pretty much left people free to concentrate on Bo (Trinity must not have seen the movie).

So exactly how did Lincoln get those guys to give up their D1 rides? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 09, 2006, 11:30:49 AM
Don't know exactly the answer to that question Doug but I would guess that it is a combination of three things as to those D1 transfers. 

A) Lack of playing time from John Chaney at Temple.
B) They were not really D1 caliber players as originally projected.
B) Lincoln University is a state school in Pennsylvania.  So their in-state tuition would be much cheaper than going to a private college.  Much like the same situation with those D3 Wisconsin state colleges...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 09, 2006, 11:43:39 AM
william,

dont forget to mention that some (especially their best player) spent some time in the pen.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 09, 2006, 12:28:46 PM
ohyeah:

Who else on Lincoln's team besides Kyle Myrick spent some time in the pen"?  Oh yeah.....no one except Myrick, that what I thought!  Regarding Myrick, I don't have any problem giving people a second chance at getting his life in order, do you?, or maybe you're just so perfect, you've never made mistakes in your life.  I see success "breeds haters"!  No ones mention's Lincoln's record prior to the last two years, when they weren't as good as they are today.


scottiedoug:

Regarding Lincoln's D1 transfer, it's only a close relationship with John Chaney and Temple.  John Chaney began his collegiate coaching career and D2 Cheyney State (HBCU) and Lincoln plays Cheyney every year.  Although Chaney has moved on, he has never forgotten his roots.  Additionally, Lincoln lost a 7 foot freshman James Bunch (who led the nation in blocked shots) two years ago to D1 Monmouth University (West Long Branch, NJ) whose team beat Fairleigh Dickenson University (NJ) last night on ESPN2 to go dancing.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 09, 2006, 12:34:04 PM
ohyeah,

So you don't apparently believe in the rehabilitative efforts of the Criminal Justice system? Or you don't believe in giving people second chances in life?  Which one is it?  At any rate with the number of NBA scouts looking at that player your referred to that "ex-con" may be a very wealthy one in a few months!  Only in America  8)....
Thanks njlincolnlion!!!!

wilburt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 09, 2006, 02:08:28 PM
was that a negative comment by Ohyeah, while i don't believe in the rehab system in america, i do believe in giving the guy a 2nd chance, and hopefully he does go to the NBA, which statistically speaking is a long shot, but if he does it will be great pub for D3 hoops, but one thing is for sure, he will be featured in d3 players playing abroad at the least, good for him

I still don't think he would dominate my church league, remember in church league, things change
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 09, 2006, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 09, 2006, 02:08:28 PM
was that a negative comment by Ohyeah ....

Come on now Grubb, you and I both know that that was a snide comment by Ohyeah. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 09, 2006, 03:36:25 PM
just giving him the benefit of the doubt, anyway, what is fisk going to do to replace all of the senoirs they are losing?
We need answers, we don't need them to be competitive every 3 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 09, 2006, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 09, 2006, 12:28:46 PM
ohyeah:

Who else on Lincoln's team besides Kyle Myrick spent some time in the pen"?  Oh yeah.....no one except Myrick, that what I thought!  Regarding Myrick, I don't have any problem giving people a second chance at getting his life in order, do you?, or maybe you're just so perfect, you've never made mistakes in your life.  I see success "breeds haters"!  No ones mention's Lincoln's record prior to the last two years, when they weren't as good as they are today.


scottiedoug:

Regarding Lincoln's D1 transfer, it's only a close relationship with John Chaney and Temple.  John Chaney began his collegiate coaching career and D2 Cheyney State (HBCU) and Lincoln plays Cheyney every year.  Although Chaney has moved on, he has never forgotten his roots.  Additionally, Lincoln lost a 7 foot freshman James Bunch (who led the nation in blocked shots) two years ago to D1 Monmouth University (West Long Branch, NJ) whose team beat Fairleigh Dickenson University (NJ) last night on ESPN2 to go dancing.




whoa!  I wasnt making fun of anyone.  I was answering a question that was previously asked.  The story about Myrick was on ESPN....would you like to jump all over them as well.  Sorry to ruffle everyones panties on this one, but if Myrick didnt go to jail, he would not be at Lincoln.  Also, Maryville had a kid get arrested this year and he was given a second chance.  Sorry you all misinterpreted my statement. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 09, 2006, 08:21:10 PM
Wilburt to tell you the truth if we get one more quality player who can put some minutes on the court we will be deep.  We got Bobby and Bradely and Jeremy and are secret weapon down low who will be in his words "throwing the bow"next year.  We got bo Q JJ Sam and Trey Brewer.  Remeber that name.  Saw him score 38 points without a 3 or a freethrow.  also Ore AKA RED is still here and i look for improvements.  So Wilburt how many is that 9...without any recruits that could start for piedmont. Sorry but i had to say it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 09, 2006, 11:34:42 PM
Y'all are a bit quick to jump on Ohyeah.  If it is true that "if Myrick didnt go to jail, he would not be at Lincoln" then Ohyeah was responding to my question with a real answer.  If he wanted to be insulting, I suspect he has the skill to do so.   And just to be clear, I see no problem at all with second chances.  More problems with having to recruit against relatively inexpensive state schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 10, 2006, 07:09:43 AM
ohyeah, scottiedoug:

I am not disputing that Kyle Myrick went to jail!  I am calling ohyeah out on his statement "don't forget to mention that some (especially their best player) spent some time in the pen".  WHO else on Lincoln's team spent time in the pen?  Who do the "some" represent?  Please don't make generalizations without the facts!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 10, 2006, 07:16:49 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 09, 2006, 08:21:10 PM
Wilburt to tell you the truth if we get one more quality player who can put some minutes on the court we will be deep.  We got Bobby and Bradely and Jeremy and are secret weapon down low who will be in his words "throwing the bow"next year.  We got bo Q JJ Sam and Trey Brewer.  Remeber that name.  Saw him score 38 points without a 3 or a freethrow.  also Ore AKA RED is still here and i look for improvements.  So Wilburt how many is that 9...without any recruits that could start for piedmont. Sorry but i had to say it

You may be correct Mr. Beaty, but we will see if and when Maryville plays Mississippi College again next season.  Your 9 deep against a team that went up to 15 deep this season is not much of dent...    

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 10, 2006, 09:25:45 AM
Matt Grubb Fisk  will be fine next season, with 2006-07 POY Marquis Patton leading the way...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 10, 2006, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 09, 2006, 08:21:10 PM
  So Wilburt how many is that 9...without any recruits that could start for piedmont. Sorry but i had to say it

Huh? Since you are " sorry you had to say it", I assume that was an attempted insult?

I'm sorry, but I didn't follow you. Either I'm getting old and slow ( a distinct possibility) or your communication/crap talking skills need some work. Would you like to clarify?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 10, 2006, 10:41:29 AM
I didn't get that one either Old Lion, but so be it.  It wasn't meant for me to get...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 10, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
The Grubby one is here to make sense of it all

Ohyeah and Lion, who cares who went to prison, we just care about who they are playing for now

Wilburt, hate to burst your bubble, but, Bobby Golden POY 07

Beaty, you are always a prophet in my eyes

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 10, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
OK Spencer the Prophet:   Who is the "secret weapon down low"?  And ya gotta admit we'd be better off 10 deep for real. If Trey and Samuel are as you say, then there is Bobby, JJ, Bradley, Q, Jeremy, and Bo with real experience.  That's eight.  Do you see any others of the young'uns able to hang with Mississippi (or Fisk))?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 10, 2006, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 10, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
Wilburt, hate to burst your bubble, but, Bobby Golden POY 07

Don't think so Grubb.  Patton beat Golden out for FOY in 2004, and will beat him again for POY in 2007!  Plus pound for pound Patton is a much better player than Golden Carrel...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 10, 2006, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: wilburt on March 10, 2006, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 10, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
Wilburt, hate to burst your bubble, but, Bobby Golden POY 07

Don't think so Grubb.  Patton beat Golden out for FOY in 2004, and will beat him again for POY in 2007!  Plus pound for pound Patton is a much better player than Golden Carrel...

Good one, Wilburt. I don't know if that was supposed to be a joke, but I got a good chuckle out of it. I think that's what is referred to as "faint praise".

"Pound for pound",  I may be a better player than Golden ... OK, obviously that was just exaggeration to make a point ... I'm just saying, B ... Bobbie is one chunky fellow.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 10, 2006, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 10, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
The Grubby one is here to make sense of it all

Ohyeah and Lion, who cares who went to prison, we just care about who they are playing for now


Whoa, Grubb ... I wasn't in on the prison conversation ...

I was just wondering what Spence was trying to say.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 10, 2006, 03:42:25 PM
Quote from: wilburt on March 10, 2006, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 10, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
Wilburt, hate to burst your bubble, but, Bobby Golden POY 07

Don't think so Grubb.  Patton beat Golden out for FOY in 2004, and will beat him again for POY in 2007!  Plus pound for pound Patton is a much better player than Golden Carrel...


It probably helped Patton that he played 10 - 12 more minutes a game then Bobby did his freshman year.  I think Bobby was getting about 5 - 7 minutes a game his freshman year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 10, 2006, 05:33:56 PM
Wilburt
I would rather be Bobby, pound for pound he goes head up with Shamoo, no doubt about it, but his freshman year he played on a sweet sixteen team that lost to John Carroll by 2, game could have gone either way, much better than fisk and he had two very good post players he was backing up

Also bobby was first team all conference this year, in the voting he was behind White and Calloway he has to be the favorite

Also, any fat joke bobby's direction is appreciated b/c he needs to get in shape, he is lazy and he is 20 pounds away from being an all american and he won't do it, I think your joke was pertaining to his main sponsor Golden Corral, this is his main sponsor although, pilsbury and Ben & Jerry's are major fans and sponsors of him as well
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2006, 12:42:12 AM
Well I guess that Transy bunch the Scots split with are pretty good after all.  They seemed to deal with Mississippi College relatively easily.  I thought they looked dangerous even the night Murvul beat them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 11, 2006, 11:34:45 AM
yeah they looked good, it could show how good maryville could have been if monte had not gotten hurt or that Transy has peaked at the right time, but with the way things are shaping up i bet it is a combination of both, good for them i hope they win the whole dang thing
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2006, 01:46:57 PM
Mattgrubb:  I'm chosing to take "it could show how good maryville could have been if monte had not gotten hurt."  I do think that Miss. College could not have gotten by with stuffing Bo.

So who is going to play the Monte role next year?  Even if someone esle (Samuel?) plays point so Bo can play #2, Scots still will need some other serious outside threats
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 11, 2006, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: wilburt on March 10, 2006, 07:16:49 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 09, 2006, 08:21:10 PM
Wilburt to tell you the truth if we get one more quality player who can put some minutes on the court we will be deep.  We got Bobby and Bradely and Jeremy and are secret weapon down low who will be in his words "throwing the bow"next year.  We got bo Q JJ Sam and Trey Brewer.  Remeber that name.  Saw him score 38 points without a 3 or a freethrow.  also Ore AKA RED is still here and i look for improvements.  So Wilburt how many is that 9...without any recruits that could start for piedmont. Sorry but i had to say it

You may be correct Mr. Beaty, but we will see if and when Maryville plays Mississippi College again next season.  Your 9 deep against a team that went up to 15 deep this season is not much of dent...   


Last time i remember Wilburt five people play at a time.  I think that a team doesnt need to be any more deep that 8 to 10 people.  If you get 15 people playing you cannot get in a rythm and if all 15 people are the same talent wise it actually would hurt your team.  The only positive is that foul trouble wouldnt be a factor but 8 guys should have the combined stamina to run up and down a basketball court for 40 minutes
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 11, 2006, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 10, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
OK Spencer the Prophet: Who is the "secret weapon down low"? And ya gotta admit we'd be better off 10 deep for real. If Trey and Samuel are as you say, then there is Bobby, JJ, Bradley, Q, Jeremy, and Bo with real experience. That's eight. Do you see any others of the young'uns able to hang with Mississippi (or Fisk))?
Im just going to tell you look for my man "RED" to gain about 20 pounds and start playing smart this year.  Also Danny Saxe could potentially play some important minutes down in the low post
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 11, 2006, 02:18:08 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 11, 2006, 01:46:57 PM
Mattgrubb:  I'm chosing to take "it could show how good maryville could have been if monte had not gotten hurt."  I do think that Miss. College could not have gotten by with stuffing Bo.

So who is going to play the Monte role next year?  Even if someone esle (Samuel?) plays point so Bo can play #2, Scots still will need some other serious outside threats

I agree. Murval was a different team without Monte. (IMHO, that's why the selection committee screwed up royally selecting Murvul over HC. Once Monte was gone, HC was the best team in the GSAC.) Piedmont did not get the luxury of playing you guys without Monte. Personally, I would have liked to have seen how we would have done ...

I'm telling you, trying to stay with both Monte and Bo on the perimeter ... while trying to also stop the inside buckets that the Murvul offense creates ... well that's a tall order for anyone.

Had Monte not gotten hurt ...
* he w/h/b POY
* Murval would probably have won the GSAC tourney &
* Murval would probably still be playing ...

It's just an opinion, but a very astute and informed one ...  ;D
Hey, there's nothing worse than false modesty, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 11, 2006, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 11, 2006, 01:59:22 PM

Last time i remember Wilburt five people play at a time.  I think that a team doesnt need to be any more deep that 8 to 10 people.  If you get 15 people playing you cannot get in a rythm and if all 15 people are the same talent wise it actually would hurt your team.  The only positive is that foul trouble wouldnt be a factor but 8 guys should have the combined stamina to run up and down a basketball court for 40 minutes


Damn Spence, it had to happen sooner or later ... I agree wholeheartedly! You deserve an atta boy, or a karma point, for that one.

Very few good teams depend on more than 8 guys in their normal, close game, rotation. The key to being a good coach is communication, with your entire team ... making sure everyone knows their role. With the other guys, past the top 7 or 8, that means making sure they understand how valuable they are to the overall team effort ... and making sure they stay mentally tough and ready to contribute, in case one of the top 7 or 8 guys is unable to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 11, 2006, 05:04:40 PM
bottomline is this, the gsac is getting better just like this message board, Wilburt you are an all conference performer on this board no doubt and all the teams are improving, HC needs some good posters here on this board to go to the next level, so does LC
Right now my all conference picks are

Wilburt
Old Lion
Matt Grubb (me)
Spencer Beaty
Coach Haynes
take it for what its worth but no one from HC made the team, they need a little bit more pride in their program and they will be ready for national attention

By the way, big ups to Randall D. Lambert for 8 straight years of at least 1 win in the tourney, he will reload for next year and be ready, with more discipline

Also, Bobby will be skinny next year if i have to shame him into it via this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 11, 2006, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 11, 2006, 05:04:40 PM
Right now my all conference picks are

Wilburt
Old Lion
Matt Grubb (me)
Spencer Beaty
Coach Haynes


It's the same old story ... once again, the low key, solid performers get overlooked ...

We must also give props to ...
Urban Myth,
scottiedoug,
Hawks88,
GSAC Killer,
oyyeah.

Killer, I'm stretching it big time to put you in the "low key" catagory,  :D but I couldn't let you get overlooked entirely.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 11, 2006, 07:24:49 PM
Man there is not doubt in my mind that we would still be playing if monte hadnt gotten hurt.  We started playing people after that incident that hadnt touched a ball the whole season.  While i would like to thank you matt for my all-conference selection I am not so sure taht scottydoug doesnt sneek on in place of someone.  and I have said it before and i will say it now CHANEY FOR LIFE!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 11, 2006, 09:38:48 PM
scottiedoug definitely gets a shout out no question, but i see him as a solid role player, never takes the big chances, but definitely never makes a mistake, very solid poster though

you love chaney, i will say this i love chris housewright, best player lambert ever coached, besides himself of course
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 11, 2006, 10:49:27 PM
Ill agree with you matt.  Housewright was a great player.  he had the height for a post presence but could hit the jumper as well.  He was a hard worker and never got fat or ate at golden coral
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2006, 11:49:41 PM
I appreciate y'all's shoutouts.  Tough crowd.  Somebody from Murvul needs to play the steady. 

If Bobby can give some heft to Orr...Spencer, is that your offseason job?

And I agree that Housewright was as good as there is in D3.  He got any little brothers?  That would fill the Monte role just fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 12, 2006, 08:26:24 AM
Yeah orr's job this offseason is to eat exactly what bobby eats.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 12, 2006, 08:34:11 AM
I feel like we on the GSAC message board are a tight-knit group.  Not like any of those huge conferences that no one knows who is for who.  We all know everyone and i think that deserves a little dap.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 12, 2006, 08:36:22 AM
I would like to take this time in the offseason to hand out some awards.  and the award for greatest DIII college name is Baldin Wallace.  It kinda rolls off your tounge doesnt it?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 12, 2006, 01:17:40 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 11, 2006, 05:04:40 PM
bottomline is this, the gsac is getting better just like this message board, Wilburt you are an all conference performer on this board no doubt and all the teams are improving, HC needs some good posters here on this board to go to the next level, so does LC
Right now my all conference picks are

Wilburt
Old Lion
Matt Grubb (me)
Spencer Beaty
Coach Haynes
take it for what its worth but no one from HC made the team, they need a little bit more pride in their program and they will be ready for national attention


Thanks for the honor... Does that make me the 2006 POY (Poster of the Year) and does a check come with the honor?  I could care less, but my tax guy wants to know for reporting purposes :D 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 12, 2006, 01:39:41 PM
Random Thoughts:

1. I'm sorry to see my adopted D3 team - the Lincoln Lions - lose to Virginia Wesleyan by one point in the tourney.

2. I see that Belmont won the Atlantic Sun tourney.  So Tennessee should have three D1 teams in the tourney (UT, Memphis, and Belmont) that represent all three of the state's regions.

3. I expect a breakout year next season for Piedmont and LaGrange.  I expect Huntingdon to return to mediocrity next season and Fisk might have a .500 season as well next year depending on the incoming recruiting class...   

4. Finally a shout out to Fisk Alumna Mandisa who made it to the Final 12 of American Idol.  Way to go...   

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 12, 2006, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: wilburt on March 12, 2006, 01:39:41 PM
3. I expect a breakout year next season for Piedmont  

From your lips to God's ears ...

Early recruiting rumors say that we have a good shot at adding at least a solid combo guard and two promising post guys ...

IF that happens, and we are able to get everyone of significance back (always a challenge in D3), then we have a legitimate shot at being very good next season.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 12, 2006, 11:54:55 PM
So William is your silence regarding Murvul next year 'cause you figure it goes without saying that the Scots will be the class of the class?

The "P" in POY could stand for lots of things....and my check is in the mail.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 13, 2006, 07:47:03 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 12, 2006, 11:54:55 PM
So William is your silence regarding Murvul next year 'cause you figure it goes without saying that the Scots will be the class of the class?

Astute observation on your part Doug.  I intentionally omitted Maryville because they have been boringly predictable in recent years.  Coach Lambert may or may not be able to count to inifinity more than once, but he can sure count to 20.  As a result, he will craft a "modestly challenging" schedule designed to get Maryville 20 overall wins. 

Among those 20 wins are expected to be a significant number of South Region wins so as to compete for a Pool B bid.  A good number of those South Region wins are against your traditionally average or doormat South Region teams like Sewanee, Oglethorpe, Emory, etc. 

Murvul fans will complain (as they do every year) as to why they get no respect from Pat Coleman and the rest of the d3hoops Top 25 pollsters.  And as true to form in recent years he'll likely go 1-1 in the NCAA tourney if Maryville makes it...

Doug it is a very boring script...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 13, 2006, 07:51:31 AM
Quote from: old_lion on March 12, 2006, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: wilburt on March 12, 2006, 01:39:41 PM
3. I expect a breakout year next season for Piedmont  

From your lips to God's ears ...

Early recruiting rumors say that we have a good shot at adding at least a solid combo guard and two promising post guys ...

IF that happens, and we are able to get everyone of significance back (always a challenge in D3), then we have a legitimate shot at being very good next season.

I agree wholeheartedly Old Lion...

It's a dream of mine but I just hope we can get some disgruntled D1 transfers from UT to come to Fisk...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 13, 2006, 09:54:20 AM
I agree wilburt with the scheduling problems lambert has and here is the reason,
You can only go to the tough places so many times, or meet teams in the tourney and offer a home and home series so many times, if they don't accept, what can you do or can you accept just come to my place every year, not really, if you were an ODAC team wanting to compete would you travel to maryville to play a nonconference game?  Unfortunately Lambert plays the teams that will play him, he does not have the money to pay teams to come and play in maryville or he would, and they would find out how hard it is to win in the foothills
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 13, 2006, 10:12:16 AM
Grubby one way to put it!! Yes our schedule in the past has been geared so that we can make the tournament, is that not what you should do if you were a coach...
   There are very few teams that want to have a home n home with us and also that we don't have money to be traveling to all these places.Like Grubby said how many team want to come to Scots Land to pull off a win, NOT MANY!!..
Yes it is true we usually win one and lose one in the tournament but how many team can say 1) They make it to the NCAA tournament every year, 2) Win a game in the tournament, and 3) Win 20 games every year..........NOT MANY!!!!

As you can well see the two words of the day are NOT MANY!!!!!!!!
   I hope the guys get motivated for next year and see if they secure a top spot in the South region the possibilities of making it to the Final Four is very likely.. Hint HInt TRANSYLVANIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 13, 2006, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 13, 2006, 09:54:20 AM
I agree wilburt with the scheduling problems lambert has and here is the reason,
You can only go to the tough places so many times, or meet teams in the tourney and offer a home and home series so many times, if they don't accept, what can you do or can you accept just come to my place every year, not really, if you were an ODAC team wanting to compete would you travel to maryville to play a nonconference game?  Unfortunately Lambert plays the teams that will play him, he does not have the money to pay teams to come and play in maryville or he would, and they would find out how hard it is to win in the foothills

Please don't talk to me about Maryville's scheduling problems.  If you think Maryville has it bad Fisk  has it worse!  If few teams want to have a home and home with Maryville then even fewer teams want to have one with Fisk.  No one wants to come to Nashville to play Fisk except for Rust and UDallas.  And they have to because they are South Region independents. At least you can get the Emory's and Oglethorpe's to play you, because they certainly will not play Fisk.     

I do have to give credit to one ODAC team that appears to take on all comers and that is RMC.  They played Lincoln in a home and home series this year in addition to giving Fisk a guarantee to play them in a holiday tournament this season.   So we live with it and move on...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 13, 2006, 11:53:01 AM
One "solution" we keep coming back to is the expansion of the GSAC with a couple of good programs.  Not just good teams, but programs that share at least most of the fundamental assumptions of DIII.  But that's an old problem.

I agree William that nobody wants to play Fisk at your gym.  And it is moreso than nobody wanting to play Murvul at Murvul.  Some "reasons" in the Fisk case are not commendable.

So I am not sure if Lambert and Glover really can do much more about this.  The unual doormat calculations, if they really are on purpose, which I doubt, do not always hold up, either.  Look at Averett, for instance, which rose up from the doormat.  And on the other hand, who would have thought Methodist would have had such a tough year.  And Sewanee and Oglethorpe forgot they were doormats.

I wonder in Transy will continue to play Murvul?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 13, 2006, 11:59:01 AM
Please don't talk to me about Maryville's scheduling problems.  If you think Maryville has it bad Fisk  has it worse!  If few teams want to have a home and home with Maryville then even fewer teams want to have one with Fisk.  No one wants to come to Nashville to play Fisk except for Rust and UDallas.  And they have to because they are South Region independents. At least you can get the Emory's and Oglethorpe's to play you, because they certainly will not play Fisk.     

I do have to give credit to one ODAC team that appears to take on all comers and that is RMC.  They played Lincoln in a home and home series this year in addition to giving Fisk a guarantee to play them in a holiday tournament this season.   So we live with it and move on...

Quote

I think I would rather play UDallas then Emory.....especially at Emory.  I remember when Maryville used to play SCAD home and home until they went to D2.  When teams get in tourneys with in region records, they are stupid to go to Fisk or Maryville an play b/c if they lose and dont win their conference tourney, their chances of making the tourney dwindle.  However, with the expanded bids, it makes it easier to get in now.  The one team that always sticks out in my mind is the 2003 Capital team.  They lost 3 games the whole year and all of them were to the eventual national champ otterbein and they didnt get in.  In region games hurt, therefore, RMC doesnt really have anything to lose by playing lincoln.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 13, 2006, 12:04:06 PM
Wilburt
We are in agreement about scheduling
Here is something i have mentioned before, you all need to fix up your gym
Teams like going to play Hope, Calvin, Mississippi College, Centre, Transy all these teams have really nice modern facilities.  It is just an opinion, but fixing up the gym or building a new one would definitely help draw teams to fisk, at least it could not hurt.  You have to give yourself every advantage when you are a GSAC school.

Also, William, if you were the coach at an SCAC school trying to get a descent nonconference record would you schedule at Fisk, what are you chances of winning?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 13, 2006, 12:56:08 PM
Randall for life
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 13, 2006, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 13, 2006, 11:53:01 AM
I agree William that nobody wants to play Fisk at your gym.  And it is moreso than nobody wanting to play Murvul at Murvul.  Some "reasons" in the Fisk case are not commendable.

So I am not sure if Lambert and Glover really can do much more about this.  The unual doormat calculations, if they really are on purpose, which I doubt, do not always hold up, either.  Look at Averett, for instance, which rose up from the doormat.  And on the other hand, who would have thought Methodist would have had such a tough year.  And Sewanee and Oglethorpe forgot they were doormats.

Doug I don't think "fixing up" the Johnson gymnasium would make much of a difference in scheduling some teams to come to Nashville.  We could schedule Mississippi College to come to Nashville to play a college double header at TSU's Gentry Center.  For example - Fisk vs. Mississippi College and TSU vs. OVC opponent on a Saturday night. Do you think the other MC would still come?  Doubt it...   

And Grubb is correct, some SCAC coaches trying to get a decent nonconference schedule do not want to play at Fisk nor play Fisk  at home, but they seem to be able to play the other 4 GSAC schools with some regularity ???.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 13, 2006, 02:01:02 PM
I bet that has something to do with style of play
maryville has a more traditional type of system that a team will see on a daily basis in the SCAC, as well as the other GSAC schools
Fisk is more athletic and has a more uptempo style than any of the SCAC schools, they simply don't have the athletes to compete with Fisk, especially early in the season before their offenses and defenses gel together as a cohesive unit, which is something Lambert is an expert at doing
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 13, 2006, 02:48:58 PM
Excuses, Excuses Grubb...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 03:25:49 PM
Quote...  In region games hurt, therefore, RMC doesnt really have anything to lose by playing lincoln. ...

RMC is within the 200-mile radius rule with Lincoln.  It counted as in-region.

Away games are worth one-point extra on the QOWI determinations.  Conversely, home court is worth one-point less on QOWI.

IN-region is the key!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on March 13, 2006, 06:46:43 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah.

Maryville does a good job with its schedule.  Yes, there are a mixture of doormats andquality south region teams.  Most schedules are mixed this way.  Let me state the obvious; basketball is a game in which the better team does not always win.  If Maryville were to play only top teams in the non-conference, they would end up with a fare share of losses.  The at large bid system does not look kindly on losses.  Therefore, the scots have a mixture of strong and average teams on the schedule. 

I don't have inside indormation, but I would be shocked of Randy has ever turned down a home and home invite from any top south region team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 14, 2006, 11:54:59 AM
Speaking of SCAD an article on our good friend Cazzie Russell.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060314/SPORTS06/603140307
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 14, 2006, 02:55:20 PM
Cazzie used to have such nice expressions when the scots would dominate him in the postseason
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 15, 2006, 09:34:45 AM
you are telling me that the scots go to the second round of the tourney again and don't get any players on the all region team, regardless of conference awards or whatever if you are one of the better teams, don't you have the better players
The answer to that is yes, better players make up better teams, Lambert as good as he is and will take all comers in a one-on-one match up, has not scored a point or gotten a rebound in the last 8 NCAA tourneys, but his players have scored a few
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 10:09:58 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 15, 2006, 09:34:45 AM
you are telling me that the scots go to the second round of the tourney again and don't get any players on the all region team, regardless of conference awards or whatever if you are one of the better teams, don't you have the better players
The answer to that is yes, better players make up better teams, Lambert as good as he is and will take all comers in a one-on-one match up, has not scored a point or gotten a rebound in the last 8 NCAA tourneys, but his players have scored a few

Goodness, Matt!  Murvul makes the Tourney every year from Pool B, the Bumblin' B's.  If Murvul were in the ASC-East, there is a pretty good chance you wouldn't even make the NCAA's at all.  You are 1-4 against the ASC in 5 meetings!

I can understand why Wilburt gets so exasperated.  Murvul is 9-8 in post-season play, but Murvul's post-season wins have come against:

-- 2 SLIAC teams (the SLIAC has not won a playoff game since the start of the Pools in 2000),
-- SCAD, a fellow bumblin' B,
-- MissColl in 2003,
-- Methodist (the USAC is only 4-9 in post-season play in the last 8 years),
-- Trinity TX and RHIT (the SCAC is only 6-11 in post-season play in the last 8 years.  Eight of those teams were one-and-done!)
--  and what may be the only quality wins in the last 8 years, 2000 HSC and 2004 over RMC.

You had a good team!  The Team did it! :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 15, 2006, 11:19:32 AM
Matt Ennen was 3rd team D3 Hoops All Region in 2001-02 and Sidney Ellis was 2nd team in 2004-05.  I think Chris Housewright was before that, but there is no easy link to that info on D3Hoops (I suspect Pat or Ralph will remind me that I do not know my way around and that previous years are in plain sight for smarter people....)

The Murvul system makes it hard for anyone to stand out since so many people share the scoring (which I am sure is a real big component).  I think Matt, Sidney, and Chris were deserving but other Scots have had similarly good years and not made All Region.

I don't buy the Grubby One's premise that good teams should have players stand out enough to make honors, though.  A lot of the honored players are from teams that did not do much.

Ralph:  Wouldn't your logic at least credit beating ASC East Mississippi College and really D2 SCAD as quality wins?   

And congrats to Alan White for making All-Region 2nd team.. Seems fair to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 15, 2006, 11:24:30 AM
Ralph,
We have a motto at Maryville, we will play whoever they schedule, sure our record ain't that great against MC and MCM, the only 2 ASC teams we have faced, but we are going to keep playing them
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 15, 2006, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 15, 2006, 11:24:30 AM
Ralph,
We have a motto at Maryville, we will play whoever they schedule, sure our record ain't that great against MC and MCM, the only 2 ASC teams we have faced, but we are going to keep playing them

It sure won't be during the regular season schedule that's for certain,  :D!

Congrats to Mr. White on All-South Region honors.  You certainly have earned them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 15, 2006, 11:45:46 AM
I think the problem with Maryville is that the SID's have to make the nominations.  If I remember correctly, Housewright did not make it neither did Josh Tummel in 03 or Sidney Ellis in 04.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 11:59:44 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 15, 2006, 09:34:45 AM
you are telling me that the scots go to the second round of the tourney again and don't get any players on the all region team, regardless of conference awards or whatever if you are one of the better teams, don't you have the better players

No Maryville players were nominated.

As I was perusing the nominations the afternoon of the deadline, I noticed that NO players from the GSAC were on the list. I sent a specific request to all GSAC schools reminding them of the All-Region team's existence. A couple of schools responded in time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 12:04:16 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 15, 2006, 11:19:32 AM
Matt Ennen was 3rd team D3 Hoops All Region in 2001-02 and Sidney Ellis was 2nd team in 2004-05.  I think Chris Housewright was before that, but there is no easy link to that info on D3Hoops (I suspect Pat or Ralph will remind me that I do not know my way around and that previous years are in plain sight for smarter people....)

If you go to the All-Region team page (link is on the front) there is a list of previous years' teams.

"Previous years: 2004-05 | 2003-04 | 2002-03 | 2001-02"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 15, 2006, 01:10:20 PM
i think you are right Pat, the SID's in the gsac need to step their game up and realize how good of a website this is, take it for what it is worth
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 15, 2006, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 11:59:44 AM
No Maryville players were nominated.

As I was perusing the nominations the afternoon of the deadline, I noticed that NO players from the GSAC were on the list. I sent a specific request to all GSAC schools reminding them of the All-Region team's existence. A couple of schools responded in time.

Interesting ... which schools didn't bother to respond?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 15, 2006, 02:17:39 PM
I would like to take a break away from the beautiful GA weather and put my couple cents in.  As a coach it is in your best interest to play people you can beat.  Might I remind everyone that no one likes to lose.  Sticking your chest out and trying to be macho with your scheduling usually does you no good unless you are really, really good.  Huntingdon didn't get passed over because they didn't play anybody.  They got passed over because they lost two winable games at two tough locations(Oglethorpe & Rhodes).  In our situation you have to win to get in, no matter who you play, so would you rather play a .500 SCAC team or Hampden-Sydney?  Easy question to me!  Scheduling is tough for everyone in the GSAC.  Everybody else has a conference to worry about and usually we get picked up on people's schedules because people beat us more than we beat them.  (For now!) 

South Region:  The schools that sent in nominations are probably the ones who felt they had someone good enough.  Corie Jackson is one of the 10 best in the GSAC but not one of the 15 best in the south region.  It also comes down to numbers....  Player numbers and voting numbers....If someone didn't see a kid play then all they have are his numbers, and if the whole ASC or SCAC vote for a kid then that is enough to move him up a few spots even from 3rd to 2nd team.  Allen White was our player of the year and he deserves to be on the South region 2nd team and I am happy for him, but I don't think we had anybody else good enough.  Before you start screaming out names backed by school bias look not at averages but at individual games and find consistency that leads to good averages.  Some guys lit us up but couldn't score a bucket on Huntingdon or Fisk and we eliminated some players while they blew up against others.  I like a kid who comes by his average with not too many statistical outliers.

If anyone knows a 6'6" or better young man looking for a place to call home for a while please feel free to contact me.  Required talents include, but are not limited to being able to leave the ground and return to it without injuring himself or someone else in the process, breathe without help of a machine and smile.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 15, 2006, 03:59:15 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 15, 2006, 02:17:39 PM

South Region: 
Allen White was our player of the year and he deserves to be on the South region 2nd team and I am happy for him, but I don't think we had anybody else good enough.  Before you start screaming out names backed by school bias  ...

Coach, I appreciate your perspective and your sense of humor.

But here is a comment w/o school bias. Why is everyone forgetting about Monte Calloway? With all due respect to White, IMHO, Callaway was the best the GSAC had to offer.  Does anyone think Murval was nearly the team after Callaway's injury, that they were before it?

Is it written somewhere that just because someone is injured and misses the last few games, he is ineligible for consideration for post season honors?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 15, 2006, 11:19:32 AM

Ralph:  Wouldn't your logic at least credit beating ASC East Mississippi College and really D2 SCAD as quality wins?   

And congrats to Alan White for making All-Region 2nd team.. Seems fair to me.  Ditto :)

Scottie, I think that the ASC may have 3 Quality wins in the last 9 years.

2000--McMurry over Murvul.  That South/Great Lakes bracket was brutal and Murvul knocked out a highly ranked (#2) Hampden-Sydney.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/00/week13.htm

McMurry was to play Trinity, but Pomona-Pitzer knocked them out, on the road.

2004--Sul Ross State over #12 Trinity.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/04/week14.htm

Sul Ross State lost to Lawrence in OT at Puget Sound in the Sweet 16.

One other win that I may have overlooked.

I am reluctant to declare any win over the ASC as a quality win, because the ASC doesn't have a winning record in the 7 years in the Pools (9 wins, 10 losses and 4 byes in 7 years, 11-12 and 5 byes in 9 years).  The best record in the South Region is the ODAC and the ODAC's Va Wesleyan is back in the Final Four.  (The ODAC is 21-17 in the last 9 years going into the Final Four.)

As I look at the last 9 seasons, I would call these six teams to be the Top 6 in no particular order.

VWC 2006, Trinity 2005, HSC 2003, CNU 2001, McM 2000, HSC 1999.

Second 4--

Miss Coll 2006, Sul Ross 2004, DePauw 2002 and Murvul 2000.



The ODAC has had 3 teams make the Final Four.

The 1999 HSC team beat Wooster (NCAC) and John Carroll (OAC) in the Sectionals.

The 2003 HSC team beat IWU (CCIW) and UW-Oshkosh (WIAC) in the Sectionals.

The 2006 VWC team beat Lincoln and Wm Paterson (NJAC) in the Sectionals.

IMHO, those are quality wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 04:57:25 PM
One other quality win in the South Region...

Trinity over Hanover in 2005 Sweet 16!

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/05/pairings.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 15, 2006, 08:06:41 PM
Man I am a big fan of the DIII athlete.  It is rare that you hear of them doing the type of things we see here in knoxville that someone on the ut football team did.  VILLINOVA WINS MARCH MADNESS.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 15, 2006, 08:07:39 PM
Hey GSAC KILLER of Matt Grubb.  Either of you guys heard from Paul Reid AKA the mountain man.  I just wondering where the big fellow is these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 16, 2006, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 15, 2006, 02:17:39 PM
In our situation you have to win to get in, no matter who you play, so would you rather play a .500 SCAC team or Hampden-Sydney?  Easy question to me!  Scheduling is tough for everyone in the GSAC.  Everybody else has a conference to worry about and usually we get picked up on people's schedules because people beat us more than we beat them.  (For now!) 

Good points, but nothing is more heartbreaking than losing to a team that who know you can and should have beaten! I leave you with this quote:

When opponents are unwilling to fight with you, it is because they think it is contrary to their interests, or because you have misled them into thinking so.  Sun-tzu (4th century B.C.)  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2006, 08:43:14 AM
 :D :D :D

Interesting observation...

Matt Grubb quotes Randy Lambert.

Wilburt quotes Sun-tzu!

:D :D :D :D :D

Have a good day!!!  LOL!!!   :D :D :D

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 16, 2006, 09:23:14 AM
Wilburt, that quote just took this board to a whole 'nother intellectual level!


It is also heartbreaking to lose a lead on the road @ MC & HC in games where you think you're finally about to get over the hump.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 16, 2006, 10:47:15 AM
Coachwgh: I know I can and I try to be provocative at times with my thoughts, comments or ideas.  How else can I get someone (ie posters on the GSAC board) to examine (or reexamine) their reasons for holding their respective opinions or views?  Forgive me, it's the old professor in me...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 16, 2006, 11:06:51 AM
During this offseason we have indulged in lighter conversations like schedules and the all GSAC teams but i have some comments and/or quesitons.  First when is the all-conference team and poy coming out cause im sick of the debating over this issue.  Basketball is a team game and while it is comprised of individuals that may be the best individual player or need the postitive reinforcement, ill take the team hardware any day of the week.  Also as far a scheduling goes some people ask why not schedule the hardest possible teams this will make you better in the long run right.  Well most people only make an impact on their team 3 years and by the time they are gone you must go through the same process over and over again.  If that makes any sense to anyone.  Scheduling for the GSAC is a lot like the MVC in d-1 who got 4 teams in the dance.  Jay Bilas said that they way all of them got in was they beat each other on their home floors and they played cupcakes with heavy frosting on the top.  In other words play teams worse than you but that have good records by trying to do the exact same team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 16, 2006, 11:24:29 AM
Pat:  Is there a way to review pre- 2000-01 all region teams?  Or was there such a thing then?  I learned what I wrote about Ennen and Ellis from where you directed me.

It is a big region and you have to be better than very good to make all-region, as coach points out.  And I guess you better not get hurt or act like a jerk too often.

William:  Keep 'em coming.  We all need standards.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 16, 2006, 06:15:52 PM
I actually saw Bobby at Ci Ci's pizza and he had an entire dessert pizza with the cinnamon apples on it at his table.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 16, 2006, 08:32:38 PM
funny i just saw bobby at Ocharley's with ribs and lots of them, they said he ate all the rolls in the restaurant
He is not going to be skinny next year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 16, 2006, 08:37:17 PM
funny i saw bobby driving a mobile home the other day and he parked in front of far east buffet and mass chaos broke out min tao the owner apparantely kicked him out after he he asked if they could clean the dishes so he could have a clean plate
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 16, 2006, 09:58:05 PM
I saw a little piece about lincoln on ESPN.  It was a very good piece and also i think Illinois weslyan.  But man Lincoln's PG can score the heck out of the ball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 16, 2006, 11:28:40 PM
Has Bobby got Orr with him?  Better get on this, Spencer.  We can't get better by being fat.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2006, 01:25:50 AM
This is the fifth year we've done all-region teams -- there aren't any of ours from before then. The coaches have named them for as long as I can remember and if they are online they'd be at www.nabc.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 17, 2006, 08:13:32 AM
Random Thoughts NCAA D1 tourney:

Saw Belmont's Boomer Herndon play against UCLA last night.  I see why he left UT, the way he played reminds me of the Huntingdon big men...

Saw Iona's backcourt last night.  They were some of the quickest and scrappiest guards I've seen in D1 basketball.   They could do it all - press, shoot, drive, and create their own shot if needed! If they had a bona fide front court they would have been really dangerous...

Finally, saw UT squeak out a win against Winthrop.  Did you check out Tony Jones' burnt orange suit and Bruce Pearl's orange and white striped tie?   Dapper...  Coach Haynes you GOT TO GET a red sport court!  Like I said, I'll get you the matching houndstooth hat :D.       
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 17, 2006, 09:15:16 AM
I am so glad TN pulled off the first round win. I was sick and tired of everybody bad mouthing them and all of the over rated talk by the media especially Doug Gottlieb(the biggest tool in the shed of ESPN) was ridiculous.  My asst. Mark Isenhour, 2nd only to Spencer "Big & Bad" Beaty, went to TN's practice before the SEC tournament and got to meet Pearl.  He said he was intergetic and very personable just like on T.V., which is good to know.  Analysts haven't said one positive word about TN without throwing a BUT on the end of it.  What they fail to see is that TN's style of play is an inconsistent style to play.  You will hit runs and you will also go dry like the desert.  That being said.... they won 20 games with it!  It wasn't their full court D that impressed me yesterday, even though I only got to see about a third of the game due to CBS insisting I watch Florida.  I was impressed with their half court D and rebounding as the pressure mounted.  Teams that play up tempo and defend full court only reach their ultimate success level when they make their 1/2 court D as tough as their full court.  I give two examples: Florida has really improved their 1/2 court D and it showed with what they have accomplished so far this year and probably have at least one more win if not two in them.  LaGrange College: our 1/2 court D seemed like a seperate piece for most of the season. We have to be able to maintain more focus to match our effort(which everyone tells me is pretty good) in the 1/2 court next season in order to achieve the success that we should have. 

Wilburt, I saw Boomer Herndon play a conference game on tv around Christmas and he went to work on Fl Atlantic.  Last night he was playing a whole different kind of athlete. 

While we are talking about DI stuff and players, I love Adam Morrison!  He plays DI like a DIII kid and let's face facts.  You have to be that good to have a mustache that bad. 

I got 12/16 right yesterday.  I hope for better luck today. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 17, 2006, 11:05:49 AM
Wilburt, i hope you saw Southern's guards last night and frontcourt, they did HBCU's everywhere proud, i remember 2 years ago when duke played Alabama State, sheldon williams posterized a good friend of mine Alex Oliver, the PG for ASU, when he came home for the summer some kids tried to make fun of him for it, i told the difference was he was getting dunked on by sheldon williams on CBS in the big dance, you were sitting at home watching the game with your mothers.

TN is a good team, Knoxville loves Bruce Pearl almost as much as they love Randall Dean Lambert.  Pearl still needs a few more years here before he reaches lambert status, this pay raise for pearl puts him close to the lambert pay scale though, Coach Haynes you need to let your AD know that Lambert makes more than Pearl, that is why we expect and get results at maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 17, 2006, 11:54:33 AM
 Why else besides "Lambert makes more than Pearl, that is why we expect and get results at maryville" would RDL have applied for that silly job at Univ. of TN/Chattanooga?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 17, 2006, 12:58:49 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 17, 2006, 11:54:33 AM
Why else besides "Lambert makes more than Pearl, that is why we expect and get results at maryville" would RDL have applied for that silly job at Univ. of TN/Chattanooga?

Because he was told to apply!  And why wouldnt you want to test yourself at a "step up"?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 17, 2006, 04:09:11 PM
Scottie Doug.  I saw Orr in Pearsons dinning hall today and i really pushed him with his food he ate an entire piece of pizza
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 17, 2006, 10:25:16 PM
What are we going to talk about all off-season?  I recommend bringing back people from the history books.  Brent Watts is one of my favorite player.  Very explosive dunker and never afraid to take the big shot.  He has gotten a bit fat these days but he still has a great thirst for the game.  Even if Randy's kid and his friend David routinely beat him in some bball after MC won when Watts was an assistant to Me (SPENCER BEATY).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 17, 2006, 10:53:59 PM
Here is a link to an interview with Coach Lambert about this year and next:
http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/232813

He mentions Bobby's weight but not Orr's slice.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 18, 2006, 10:52:16 AM
great article, Lambert is a brave and descent man
being that is the championship time of year, don't you guys wish Bobby would decide to carry the scots next year, like coach said he has the ability, I think he is 20 pounds away and the right mind set away from being the best center in D3, I know pat coleman that is saying a lot, but i would compare him to a Justin Wansley, very similar if he would lose weight
So it is on Bobby's shoulders, the good news is that Bradley Blair is back and he could start and be the best player on many other D3 teams
I am going to throw out a name Quinn Bradley all conference next year write it down
As always defense wins championships, since wittenberg ended my career, Go Marlins
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 18, 2006, 11:57:27 AM
Matt:  Can Q shoot the three well enough?   Maybe a summer in the gym?   Working with Bobby?   We have seen Bobby take over games and know he has the potential to carry the team.  I hope he decides he wants to.

Dee Bell already has a couple of recruits announced.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/232814

Any idea whether RDL has any people coming in who can challenge right away?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 18, 2006, 03:08:37 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 17, 2006, 10:53:59 PM
Here is a link to an interview with Coach Lambert about this year and next:
http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/232813


I see that Mr. Fitzsimmons of The Daily Times reads our posts on the d3hoops GSAC board.  Interesting....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 18, 2006, 05:00:25 PM
4 things are certain in life,
death
taxes
Lambert having recruits lined up
Bobby Golden at an all you can eat buffet


"All-You-Can-Eat is a challenge, not a marketing ploy"-bobby golden
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 18, 2006, 08:29:09 PM
Another Series on my great former players at MC.  This post will be about the great transfer Kelvin Richardson (AKA, K-Rich).  That guy was one of the most explosive players i have ever seen.  He had the ability to take over and game and is resposible for the elite eight (should have been final four) run that they had a while ago.  He transformed his playground game but kept the grit.  Not sure what he has done with his life, not much last time i heard but that is life.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 19, 2006, 09:19:32 AM
Even though I am just a second stringer my average posts per day is above one and I did make all conference coming on the bench so i must be doing something right with my playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 19, 2006, 06:51:39 PM
just saw bobby's car parked in front of golden corral, at this rate they are going to have to raise prices or charge him triple

Congrats to Va Wes., way to bring the title to the dirty south
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 19, 2006, 07:49:03 PM
I just saw Orr at a tanning bed.  I think it was his first time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 20, 2006, 09:24:23 AM
Some basketball history for you all:

COACH RON LAWSON - Fisk Class of 1963  Tennessee Basketball Hall of Famer

He was the son of Dr. James R. Lawson, former president of Fisk University. In 1957 Lawson began playing with the basketball team at Nashville's Pearl High School and became a starter on the varsity team in 1958. During Lawson's time with Pearl High the team won three straight Black National High School Championships under legendary coach William J. Gupton.

At Pearl he was an honor student and Senior Class President in 1959. Upon graduation from Pearl High, Lawson was offered basketball scholarships by Notre Dame, Loyola University, University of Kansas, University of Cincinnati, and UCLA, among others.  Lawson selected UCLA so that he could play under legendary coach John Wooden. After two years at UCLA, Lawson transferred to Fisk University where he received a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1963, and a Master of Arts degree in 1966.

Lawson decided to try coaching in 1964, when he accepted his first head coach job at Nashville's Cameron High School, long-time rival of Pearl High. Under Lawson's direction, Cameron won their first Tennessee State championship in 1970 with a 29-1 record, and repeated in 1971 with a perfect 32-0 record. The Cameron Middle School gymnasium was named the "Ronald Lawson, Sr. Gymnasium of Champions," in his honor. When Cameron High was closed in 1971, Lawson became head coach of the men's basketball team at Fisk University. In Lawson's second year at Fisk the team went 24-5, and won the Southern Inter-Collegiate Athletic Championship (SIAC). He was named SIAC Coach of the Year.

The following year the Bulldogs went 26-4 winning the SIAC for the second consecutive year. That earned Fisk a trip to the NCAA South Region where they played rival Tennessee State University (TSU), beating TSU 65-64 at Kean's Little Garden at TSU. Lawson finished his coaching career at Fisk in 1979, when he was ranked in the top ten winning coaches in the nation among Division III coaches. Seventy-five percent of Lawson's Fisk players graduated. Ronald R. "Scat" Lawson, Sr., died unexpectedly on February 6, 2002.

Lawson was inducted posthumously into the Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association (TSSAA) Hall of Fame on March 20, 2004.
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POST NOTE: Both Dr. Larry Glover and Tony Jones played for Coach Lawson at Fisk.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 20, 2006, 10:32:45 AM
Little bball history for the renaissance man
Current Belmont coach Rick Byrd coached at Maryville College just before Randy Lambert.  Also, Lambert will be inducted into the hall of fame soon enough
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 20, 2006, 01:42:51 PM
Technically Grubb your post was about Maryville trivia, my post was about basketball history!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 20, 2006, 02:53:02 PM
Well here is a little more trivia then,
Texas A&M played a U dallas transfer in the NCAA tourney this year

Ed Nelson, a friend of mine, plays for UCONN, was the ACC Rookie of the year at GT, his redshirt year was 2004 think about it

The MVC has 2 teams in the Elite 8, The GSAC is very similar to the MVC, D3 world look out for next year

Va Wes. is the first southern team to win the title since Lemoyne Owen in 1975, when Lemoyne was ranked #1 in the country in the D2 polls they were beat by a little D3 school from Nashville called Fisk, one of my church league teammates was on that team for LO

And b/c of wilburts post i am going to ask Tony Jones about coach lawson the next time i see him

Also, Bobby was spotted again today at the far east buffet

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2006, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 20, 2006, 02:53:02 PM

Texas A&M played a U dallas transfer in the NCAA tourney this year


Matt, Chris Walker played at UT-Dallas and was ASC Freshman of the Year in 2001-2. :)

http://www.aggieathletics.com/bios.php?SID=MBB&PID=7452&YOS=2006
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 20, 2006, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 20, 2006, 02:53:02 PM
Va Wes. is the first southern team to win the title since Lemoyne Owen in 1975, when Lemoyne was ranked #1 in the country in the D2 polls they were beat by a little D3 school from Nashville called Fisk, one of my church league teammates was on that team for LO

Grubb I believe that was during the 1998-99 season that Fisk upset previously undefeated and #1 ranked in Division II Lemoyne-Owen in the Johnson Gymnasium.  I think Asst. Coach Latrae Hampton played on that Fisk team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 20, 2006, 07:03:40 PM
You know who was a big time under achiever...Brent Watts isnt that right Grubb.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 21, 2006, 09:16:33 AM
Wilburt,
You are right Latrae was on that team.

Spencer,
He did underachieve, you can sympathize with the short and fat, Lambert probably should not have played you or him, he should have recruited some real athletes, not Cliff and Norm from Cheers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 21, 2006, 10:55:55 AM
OK all you experts at things historical...do you know of players who have made themselves into good three point shooters between seasons and if so, how?  And if so, Spencer can you get some Scots who are going to be around next year to to whatever it is?

Is any of y'all scotties old enough to remember Bill Morris or Bill Padgett?  Speaking of people who could score.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 21, 2006, 12:34:59 PM
It is simple...if you want to be a better shooter...SHOOT!  In the day of McDonalds and cars that run 135 MPH when there aren't any speed limits higher than 70, we want things to happen as fast and easy as possible.  Our guys want a quick fix, I want a quick fix, everybody wants a quick fix, but there isn't one.  You have to get in the gym(or on the blacktop) and shoot.  Example: ( I am not trying to toot my own horn but it is a working example)  I made 7 threes my senior year in high school and thanks to my roommate in juco I made 40something threes and shot over 40% my sophomore season.  He drug me to the gym everyday.  I was one of those guys that could show up and play without stretching or warming up and was not a fan of dribbling drills or a whole bunch of extra shooting.  He made me do ballhandling and shooting with him and then we played one on one.  He was a lot quicker than me so I had to learn real quick how to guard people on the perimeter.  Players need challenges and goals.  He challenged me and I wanted to be as good as he was, so we both got better.  There is no substitute for hard work.  All players are looking to somebody for guidance.  At the DIII level the coach can't be that guy in the offseason.  It has to come from a peer who doesn't mind sticking his neck out and challenging his teammates.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 21, 2006, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 21, 2006, 12:34:59 PM
Players need challenges and goals.  He challenged me and I wanted to be as good as he was, so we both got better.  There is no substitute for hard work.  All players are looking to somebody for guidance.  At the DIII level the coach can't be that guy in the offseason.  It has to come from a peer who doesn't mind sticking his neck out and challenging his teammates.

Well said, Coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 21, 2006, 01:25:19 PM
Well here is something Don Meyer the legendary NAIA coach and now D2 coach used to emphasize at the largest bball camp in the country
Perfect practice make perfect, that is why some seniors can be more effective in 20 minutes in the gym than some freshman can be in 3 days, it is all about going in and getting better

Lambert emphasizes game shots at game speeds, coming from a guy who made roughly 200 threes in college, once kids learn to practice at a faster pace then they play they will improve immensely and their consistency will pick and heck they may even become a POY someday, if it can happen to Watts it can happen to anyone.
I always firmly believe that players are made in the off season, like Bobby Golden he was spotted at Cici's again today
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 21, 2006, 09:32:12 PM
Randy did influence my basketball career.  I used to want to be the next fighting scot prodigee but then I learned that i knew about basketball but i didnt have the physical assests it took to play it...height.  But we used to do a lot of fast paced shooting games and things like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 22, 2006, 11:05:34 AM
wilburt:

Congratulations to Coach Ron Lawson on becoming a Tennessee Basketball Hall of Famer and the FISK family.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 22, 2006, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 22, 2006, 11:05:34 AM
wilburt:

Congratulations to Coach Ron Lawson on becoming a Tennessee Basketball Hall of Famer and the FISK family.

Thanks njlincolnlion. I'd like to think that we do have some sort of basketball tradition at Fisk...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 22, 2006, 03:46:34 PM
Here's a link to another quiet historical basketball moment in Tennessee history as noted by the retired basketball coach at the University of North Dakota:

http://www.undalumni.org/FSC-letterwinners/lw-Louie-Bogan-Remarks-100yrs.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 22, 2006, 04:06:05 PM
wilburt,

thanks for the links, but if you dont mind me asking, when and where do you find the time to look and find this stuff.  That isnt common knowledge.  Do you google search all day for stuff?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 22, 2006, 04:21:52 PM
i got ohyeah handled wilburt, here goes,

William is the renaissance man of the GSAC, he is aware of all the history of his fine institution and pretty good at predicting it's future results, everyone knows that

Bobby Watch 06 update:  Another wed., another trip to Ryan's steakhouse, he is quickly approaching 280
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 23, 2006, 07:38:39 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 22, 2006, 04:21:52 PM
i got ohyeah handled wilburt, here goes,

William is the renaissance man of the GSAC, he is aware of all the history of his fine institution and pretty good at predicting it's future results, everyone knows that


Matt Grubb aka 100 Watts you are generally correct except about predicting future results.   I leave that to you the prophet - Matt Grubb.  You have been more accurate than me in recent months...

I could write an article about the history of the GSAC but it would quickly turn into a biography about Coach Lambert  :)...  

Trivia question:  Who said "I run the GSAC"?

Clue:  It wasn't Coach Haynes...   


Finally, I don't have time to google search all day - oh yeah. I do have a full-time job and other responsibilities.  Suffice it to say that I am a fairly well read man about many topics that interest me...   Basketball (and its history) interests me even though Track and Field was the sport I lettered in at Fisk! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 23, 2006, 09:48:29 AM
I just did a yahoo search for "lagrange college basketball history" and , I kid you not, the first listing was for varsity cheerleading which started sometime around 1956.  Funny, that is also the first time basketball started around here. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 23, 2006, 01:02:08 PM
First bit of GSAC/SCAC recruiting news/scoop ;D.  Check out link...

http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060322/MTCN0302/303220127/1305/MTCN03
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2006, 01:15:05 PM
Impressive. I wasn't aware those schools could offer basketball scholarships. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 23, 2006, 02:16:55 PM
yeah me either, but the bottomline is this, if you want to win pick maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 23, 2006, 04:25:54 PM
Centre has a kid on the NABC all america team, Pat i now give more weight to the D3 hoops all america  team, but big ups to Pat Coleman for having the D3 hoops all america team posted on www.nabc.org (http://www.nabc.org)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 24, 2006, 07:44:01 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 23, 2006, 02:16:55 PM
yeah me either, but the bottomline is this, if you want to win pick maryville

Grubb what if the kid (Fosnes) wants a good education as well?  How good is Murvul's engineering program?  It sounds like he is interested in more than just "winning" basketball games...   I'm surprised that Rose-Hulman has not been after him.  They have one of the best engineering programs around.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 24, 2006, 09:23:06 AM
wilburt, we are trying to keep the student out of student athlete j/k
I think kids need to put more emphasis on education, for engineering purposes MC would not be the best place compared to RH

Side note, my bracket looks great since LSU beat Duke

I think Maryville would get a lot more kids if they were looking at education first, but that is not an easy concept to sell, i think that is where Fisk has an advantage, as a national recruiter they are recruiting a different kind of kid
Most of MC roster is local and a lot of times it is hard to convince a local East TN boy that spending 30k a year on education is a good thing b/c last i checked East TN was missing 3 things, a good public education system, a base of high income jobs, and good credit, TN leads the nation in bankruptcies, not exactly the smartest place around so Lambert misses out on a lot of kids who would be good players
Although Maryville College is a beacon of goodness is a desolate area, i enjoyed maryville and i love the East TN, I think if maryville was in Nashville they would have a much easier time recruiting and i know Fisk does not recruit local kids, but maryville does and there is a lot of talent that comes out of Middle TN
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2006, 09:56:18 AM
Matt, major companies with regional headquarters in Atlanta or Nashville will look to a Maryville for talent because they ahve a high probability of keeping the talent in the southeast.

Fortune 500 companies, with HQ's in Dallas, have found that if they recruit talent from the Bos-Wash or the Midwest, the talent will stay for 5-7 years in then move back home at the next pay/promotion/life event juncture in the employee's life.

If home is Shreveport LA or Lubbock TX or Benton AR, then the talent is inclined to stay with the company and move the family members to Dallas.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 24, 2006, 11:14:31 AM
ralph i will say that this area has a high retention rate for students after they graduate
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 24, 2006, 11:20:49 AM
Quote

Grubb what if the kid (Fosnes) wants a good education as well?  How good is Murvul's engineering program?  It sounds like he is interested in more than just "winning" basketball games...   I'm surprised that Rose-Hulman has not been after him.  They have one of the best engineering programs around.
Quote


I do believe Maryville has an 3 - 2 program with the University of Tennesse for engineering.  The students are still considered MC students while attending UT.  A baseball player by the name of Sam Caylor participated in this program and is doing very well.  Also, Ben Robison did not participate in this program but is currently in engineering school at UT.  Also, what are the chances this kid actually persues engineering once he enters class?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 24, 2006, 11:23:12 AM
Come on now we were all premed to start and we are all doctors now right?
Actually i was business to start and business now but that is beside the point

Ben robison is actually in nuclear engineering and doing very well
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 24, 2006, 11:26:42 AM
i forgot to mention that Bobby Golden is currently on spring break making the seafood buffets scream for mercy.  The Great American Seafood Buffet had to close the doors after Bobby left because they ran out of crab legs and rolls.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 24, 2006, 12:08:45 PM
Maryville also has (or did not long ago) a 3 - 2 engineering deal with Georgia Tech, which is an ok engineering school.

It will be interesting to see how Emory and Henry recruiting will hold up now that Coach Johnson is looking for kids to play the Grinnell system. 

Some good players from "elsewhere" (Placeres, Callaway, Robison) were Scots lately but it takes a lot of help from alums to get them.  I don't think the coaches have a lot of flyaround money.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 24, 2006, 12:37:34 PM
Well don't worry, big bills kendall wallace is going to change all of that
There aren't many kids like B-Ro that maryville is going to get, from detroit who is just looking for a southern liberal arts college, besides if you had seen him when he first set foot on campus, ouch

Monte's grandparents live in Alcoa, Raul was running from the law so he figured the mountains were a good place to hide

Lambert's kids come from all different backgrounds, except the william blount boys, they all come from the same family, trust they are all related more than once, but Lambert does a great job recruiting and will continue to do so b/c he has an animal magnetism about him, but i think the alumni should step up their donations to the bball program specifically so he can attract better players

And wilburt i am thinking about sending in a contribution for the lawson scholarship
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 25, 2006, 04:21:09 PM
Man my bracket is looking good.  7 of the elite eight with George Mason be the only one i missed, I will take that.  Nova is going to win the whole thing with their good guard play and outstanding free-throw percentages. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 25, 2006, 10:26:24 PM
Jeremy holliday will be a tremendous player next year and Q will be ready to shoot next year.  He will gain confidence this summer with some games like "Beat MJ" and "go to the corral with Bob"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 26, 2006, 10:00:25 PM
George Mason looks really strong they might have a chance.  My bracket is officially screwed with only 1 of my picks making it to the big dance (UCLA) making it another game.  I had LSU in the final four but they will probably beat UCLA and screw me over some more.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 27, 2006, 10:51:36 AM
of course there is always "stomp the grass" which Lambert is the grand champion of but it confuses bobby he is always looking to eat the grass like he is a big cow
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2006, 08:52:32 PM
I was reviewing some archives and came across my post back in December.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2005, 05:16:45 PM

I would hate that an 17-9/8-2 Huntingdon won the conference and the post-season tourney and yet did not get a Pool B bid and a 24-3/8-2 Maryville (all 3 losses to Huntingdon) did.


I mis-calculated the conference records for both teams and miscounted the total potential games left in Dec.  Coach Duckworth turned it around even faster than I had thought he would and got a 20 win season.  (MURVUL  ended up 21-8.)

I am not trying to rub salt in the wound, Coach Duckworth.  I am just marveling my prescience of how good a team that you had this year! ;)

201 days til Practice! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 27, 2006, 09:29:42 PM
good point with the mow the grass drill.  But im not sure if it will have the same impact because andy "the grass mower" chaney is leaving.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 28, 2006, 09:51:52 AM
I personally don't see randy picking up the pieces of his program after losing Andy Chaney, I just don't see how he can.

Next year's line up
Bobby Golden
Jeremy "I need a makeover" Holliday
Johnathon Johnson
Quinn Bradley
Bo Mason

It is missing it's key ingredient, Andy Chaney

I am interested in seeing who the dance team is recruiting, they really need some new talent
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 28, 2006, 12:42:46 PM
Matt:  Where are the points going to come from after Bo and Bobby?   And Bradley Blair.

Second five?  Blair, Brewer, Coppage, Orr???

Does Chaney have a little brother?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 28, 2006, 02:37:28 PM
No but he has a little sister named Sara that can straight play, she is better than him and smart enough to avoid guys like Bobby Golden

You have got 3 good scorers in Golden, Blair, and Mason and believe me that scoring only refers to basketball

After that you have brewer who will be able to put up some points and JJ will be able to take on more of a scoring role.  I predict there will be an impact freshman as well, there are not many at maryville b/c it is really hard to do, but there have been some good ones in the past  Dee Bell, Matt Ennen, Bobby Golden
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 28, 2006, 09:55:35 PM
JJ will become a scoring prescence no doubt.  I mean, i dont think he will be putting up 20 points a game but 10 or 12 on a game to game basis would be my guess.  JJ is also a very good defender.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 29, 2006, 07:54:58 AM
Another Maryville recruit for X-country and tennis.  What about basketball?  Check out link...

http://www.islandpacket.com/sports/local/story/5622664p-5050058c.html

Maryville seems to have an awful lot of scholarship money to give out  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 29, 2006, 10:06:48 AM
You guys are relentless.  If you guys got on some of our players the way you do Bobby they would develop a condition.  I would like to witness Lambert playing "stomp the grass" ?? I have no idea what that is but imagine it being both difficult and comical. 

I would also like to say that there is nothing wrong with buffets.  They are economical, tasty and personally challenging.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 29, 2006, 10:16:27 AM
Coach what is challenging is getting bobby away from a buffet

I personally want to extend an offer for Coach Lambert to meet Coach Haynes in a battle of Stomp the Grass at center court before the MC/LC game next year, Lambert has never backed down from a challenge so i speak for him when i say he's in

Coach, MC players already have a complex, bobby knows we love him we just want him to get better and skinnier, for him they are one in the same

Speaking of Bobby he was spotted at the shoney's breakfast bar this morning at 7 Am
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 29, 2006, 11:24:39 AM
William:  A high percentage of MC students have financial aid of some sort.  Over 30% are first generation college students and many are from families without the financial resources to handle the full costs.  MC has always had a lot of low to moderate income kids. 

Mattgrubb: Ennen did not play ball his first year at MC, did he? 

Can Dee Bell get young Sara to refresh the family legacy at MC?  Sara Chaney for President has a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 29, 2006, 04:00:37 PM
Scholarships are all relative?
Ennen did not play his first year, he was about 6'6" with long arms and weighed about 190 pounds and looked like he was about 12 years old, that was his red shirt year, the next year he was about 6'9" 240, with a sweet little jumper, he did start almost every game for 4 years, except when he hurt his ankle in warm ups

Dee Bell can bring in anybody, i heard Candace Parker is thinking about transferring just to learn from Coach Bell
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 29, 2006, 09:28:57 PM
Coach Haynes.  Im not sure what mattgrubb is talking about when he says "stomp the grass" but I can tell you the art of the real game "kill the grass" created by lambert perfected by chaney.  You imagine that the middle circle of the court is full of grass and you work on your dribbling to "kill the grass" by pounding the ball in as many different places at a very fast rate.  Dont let this spread to other places coach or we might start an epedimic of Andy Chaneys which as of now there is only one
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 30, 2006, 10:44:17 AM
Also, you do not want to play circle of death with Lambert, either version
version 1 Jon Wright was the champ
version 2 i am the champ, version 2 involves Jack Daniels
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 30, 2006, 09:12:42 PM
Please explain
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 31, 2006, 09:13:32 AM
Version 1 is where to combatants go head to head in the center court circle trying to knock the ball away from their adversary while dribbling
Version 2 is the way we used to play in college when the season was over with Jack Daniels
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 31, 2006, 02:07:50 PM
I just saw the NCAA's final D3 stats. To my knowledge, they did not post team stats for assists and steals during the season.

I knew we had an unselfish team that did a good job of finding the open man  ... but I was impressed to see we finished 9th nationally in assists ... and 14th in steals and scoring offense.

We made progress in our rebounding and defense last year. If we can improve in those areas again next year, we will be very tough.

So here's a heads up to any of you big men out there who feel you didn't reach your potential in high school because your teammates didn't get you the ball ... come to Piedmont! We'll get you the ball and make you a star!  ;)

Only six and a half months until practice starts ... Go Lions!

(sorry the cut and paste below is not very legible ... there is a link to NCAA Stats on the front page of D3hoops.com)

Piedmont (13-12)
Men's Basketball National Ranking Summary
Thru Games 03/19/2006


Back to team selections
Category Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Scoring Offense (379 ranked) 14 86.4  Grinnell  117.3 
Scoring Defense (379 ranked) 354 83.8 Wittenberg  54.6 
Scoring Margin (379 ranked) 149 2.6 Wooster  21.5 
Field-Goal Percentage (379 ranked) 93 46.4 Baldwin-Wallace  53.5 
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (379 ranked) 233 44.8 Huntingdon  35.4 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (379 ranked) 77 7.5 Redlands  21.1 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (332 ranked) 78 37.2 Potsdam St.  43.3 
Free-Throw Percentage (379 ranked) 51 72.6 Wis.-Stevens Point  79.2 
Rebound Margin (379 ranked) 218 -0.3 Coast Guard  11.1 
Assists Per Game (379 ranked) 9 18.8  Redlands  24.2 
Blocked Shots Per Game (379 ranked) 325 1.8 Chris. Newport  6.9 
Steals Per Game (379 ranked) 14 11.4 Redlands  17.3 
Won-Lost Percentage (383 ranked) 171 52.0 Lawrence  96.2 
Turnovers Per Game (379 ranked) 341 18.6 Wis.-Stevens Point  10.6 
Personal Fouls Per Game (379 ranked) 347 21.4 Carleton  13.0 

 
Category  Player Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Points Per Game (100 ranked)          Kyle Myrick, Lincoln (Pa.)  33.7 
Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked) Jake Baldwin  45  58.7  Brian Schmitting, Ripon  76.3 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (100 ranked)          Amir Mazarei, Redlands  5.8 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked)          Peter Lipka, Farmingdale  55.4 
Free-Throw Percentage (100 ranked)   
   
   
   Tony Bollier, Wheaton (Ill.)
Matt Secrease, Hendrix  92.9
92.9 
Rebounds Per Game (100 ranked) Brent Walker  95  8.2  Anthony Fitzgerald, Villa Julie  14.3 
Assists Per Game (100 ranked) Jake Green  43  5.0  David Arseneault, Grinnell  8.6 
Blocked Shots Per Game (100 ranked)          Drew Cohen, Colby  4.8 
Steals Per Game (100 ranked) Brent Walker  47  2.4  Quameir Harding, Ramapo  4.0

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 02, 2006, 02:51:01 PM
I would like to take this post to congratulate my friend Lee Humphrey from MURVUL TENNESSEE on a great final four performance against George Mason.  Lee is the all time leading scorer for the Maryville High School Rebels and led them to the state tourney where they lost to who else but Bradely Blair's Greenville High school.  Lee can stroke it from anywhere and I mean anywhere.  If he is past the timeline its time to guard him.  Congrats Lee.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 03, 2006, 07:53:26 AM
Oh yea...  Lee Humphrey can shoot the lights out, but put a man on him and it's a different story.  He can't create his own shot.  But give him a screen or let him set up for an open shot he's deadly!  I could have sworn that the CBS announcer said that he was from Murvul, Tennesseee instead of Maryville, Tennessee.  Congrats Lee on the CBS Player of the Game award.

Nevertheless, UCLA will take home their 12th national title tonight...

Long live the legend of John Wooden, the greatest college coach of all-time!!!!!!!  I can't believe he is 95 years old.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 03, 2006, 08:18:48 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 24, 2006, 09:23:06 AM
I think Maryville would get a lot more kids if they were looking at education first, but that is not an easy concept to sell, i think that is where Fisk has an advantage, as a national recruiter they are recruiting a different kind of kid...
i know Fisk does not recruit local kids, but maryville does and there is a lot of talent that comes out of Middle TN

For the record, the majority (60% - 70% in any given year) of Fisk's student body is not from Tennessee.   A large percentage number of students come from the Chicago area and California.

None of this year's starting five for Fisk hailed from Nashville.  When you have 4 Division I schools in the city (Vandy, TSU, Belmont, Lipscomb), plus a NAIA school (Trevecca) and two D1 OVC schools (Austin Peay and MTSU) within 35 miles of Nashville there will not be much high school talent left for Coach Glover to choose from much less recruit to Fisk.  So given the national/international makeup of Fisk's student body it's better (for the most part) to recruit basketball talent nationally or regionally rather than just in Nashville. 

In recent years the Fisk roster has included players from Oregon, Oklahoma, Illinois, New York-New Jersey and Texas.

Question, how many starters from Nashville or Middle Tennessee has Maryville had in recent years?      
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 03, 2006, 09:38:13 AM
Lee Humphrey is awesome

Maryville has had a few in the past ten years, i don't know how many were starters, but definitely some players and lost a transfer to Trevecca who started as a freshman
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 03, 2006, 10:09:16 AM
Grubb the ones from Nashville and Middle TN that I'm aware of is Joshua Herndon (Giant amongst trees), Chris Orr and Quinn Bradley but none of them have started for Maryville (to my knowledge). 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 03, 2006, 01:39:13 PM
Questions for everyone: 

1. Does Piedmont host next year's GSAC basketball tourney?

2. How does everyone's tentative schedule look like for next season?  I see that Fisk will be playing in a St. Louis tourney during Thanksgiving weekend with Fontbone and Wash. U. serving as hosts.  I wonder if there are some prospective recruits in St. Louis the coaching staff is looking at?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 03, 2006, 04:15:39 PM
go back before that Wilburt
I was talking about Bennie Shepherd and Jeremy Austin
Austin did start for MC and had 24 boards in one game as a freshman

I don't know what MC's schedule looks like next year, i am sure Lambert has the same ole peeps on his agenda, maybe he can get VWC to play.
Herndon was a man's man

Bobby Watch 06, he was spotted briefly at spanky's ice cream after 2 hours at the pizza hut buffet
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 03, 2006, 07:16:21 PM
Josh "Tree Hugger" Herndog "man of the minute" Herdon was not only the goofiest player in the entire United States (not including Alaska), he was the president of the NAATH, the National Association for the Advancement of Tree Huggers.  Hern had the most memorable quote I can remember.  "Hugging trees sure does hurt, but I wouldnt cut them down for protecting themselves.  I love trees."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 04, 2006, 08:04:02 AM
Great game by Florida last night beating my Bruins from UCLA. 

Instead of Chaney for President, how about Lee Humphrey for Mayor of Maryville?  Lee sounds like a great kid.  Are you all (citizens of Maryville) going to give Lee a parade or are you going to wait until Lambert leads the Scots to a Division III basketball title before you have a National Championship parade?   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 04, 2006, 09:59:30 AM
Wilburt i have an office in maryville that i am going to later today and i told them i was not coming in the building unless there was a pic of Lee on the door

Webster news, apparently the women's coach could not handle the machismo of Chris Bunch and had to leave her job after only a year after he shot her down
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 04, 2006, 01:37:15 PM
So William how do you know now about Fisk's schedule for next year? 

Anybody know what is the normal time by which Murvul's is done and available?

Lee must have taught the announcers how to say Maryville.  They often mess it up.

All I know is that half the politicians running for county offices in Blount County (where Murvul is) manage to say how proud they are of Lee...whether or not they even know him.  Can you spell pandering?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 04, 2006, 03:32:17 PM
The schedule is usually done around xmas of the previous year, so lambert had his done at xmas, have not seen it yet

Lee is a great kid and had a phenomenal final four, 10 threes in 2 games, Wow, you talk about the right time to step up
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 04, 2006, 07:57:04 PM
I happen to be a very good friend of Lee.  He is exactly the way he seems on TV.  He is true to himself and is the best shooter i have ever seen.  In a shoot around i saw him make 30 3's in a row going around the horn and then about 13 or 14 from NBA range after missing one from normal 3.  What a shooter.  I hope Noah doesnt go pro.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 05, 2006, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 04, 2006, 01:37:15 PM
So William how do you know now about Fisk's schedule for next year? 

All I know is that the Fisk-TSU basketball game next season should be televised on BET as the Black College Game of the Week!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 05, 2006, 04:44:10 PM
he is not the same as he seems on TV, he talks without an accent now, florida has changed him
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 06, 2006, 07:24:49 PM
Well the gators influence, while present, is just minor
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 06, 2006, 09:44:10 PM
Matt Grubb, how do u know lee humphrey.  I know both of you and I just dont see where your paths would cross.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 07, 2006, 08:32:41 AM
Lee was in Grubb's church league.  Didn't you know that Beaty? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 07, 2006, 09:50:30 AM
Everybody knows the legendary stories of Sandy Springs street ball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Fightin Hawk on April 07, 2006, 04:09:26 PM
Hey guys, sorry to ask a football question in here, but  no one discusses LaGrange football anywhere on the football board.

Do any of the LaGrange people in here know how the football team is coming along?

The weightroom is awesome and the stadium looks nice too.  Any big "committments" coming in for the inaugural year? 

Does anyone know when fall camp is slated to start?

Thanks, and sorry again bringing up the pigskin in the roundball forum!



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 08, 2006, 03:22:31 PM
Yeah i know the legends of K-rich and Lee at sandy springs
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 08, 2006, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: wilburt on April 05, 2006, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 04, 2006, 01:37:15 PM
So William how do you know now about Fisk's schedule for next year? 

All I know is that the Fisk-TSU basketball game next season should be televised on BET as the Black College Game of the Week!
Be sure to tell us when that is coming up ill try to catch it unless the SCOTS are playing
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 08, 2006, 10:30:52 PM
hey what is up with the bad karma as of late.  Does my insite not make you happy.  Oh well, I dont need karma, I got salvation from Jesus
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 10, 2006, 11:05:01 AM
Beaty they just misunderstand you
talked with bobby golden this weekend, he is working out like an animal, he wants to body slam the gsac next year and i believe he will do it.

Bobby watch 06-bobby was last spotted in the weightroom working out with weights, not in there eating a cheeseburger as some sources have misreported
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 11, 2006, 08:42:36 AM
Have not posted in awhile.... Just wanted to let anyone know if Bobby Golden aka "The Golden Corral" continues to work this offseason the way I've seen, WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!
  Bradley Blair looks good and the surprise of the spring so far Quinn aka "Q".
Good luck to all next season...
3 more weeks and the GSAC killer GRADUATES!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 11, 2006, 09:37:23 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on April 08, 2006, 10:30:52 PM
Oh well, I dont need karma, I got salvation from Jesus

Great answer Beaty...

Congratulations Raul on your anticipated graduation and welcome to the "alumni" ranks.  It won't be long before Alumni Affairs will start hitting you up for alumni contributions...     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 11, 2006, 11:46:13 AM
So GSAC Killer, what now?

Good to hear that BG is working on being as goods as we all think he can be.  It's not "just" the gsac he needs to bodyslam but Mississippi College etc.   If Q can get his shot, the Scots have one too.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 11, 2006, 12:27:39 PM
Got a couple of things lined up but can't say at the present moment.. All I can say is GOOD GOOD THINGS for the GSAC KILLEr.....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 11, 2006, 02:07:17 PM
don't worry Killer, we have faith you will screw those things up
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 11, 2006, 08:27:35 PM
I have also recently seen Trey Brewer working on his game at Sandy Springs.  Which for you non-murvul people is where the legends ball.  He even made a couple 3's
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 12, 2006, 07:37:20 AM
I see that Lincoln is/will be leaving D3 to go D2 once they get approval from their College Presidents to join the CIAA.  That would provide for better scheduling than the horrendous one they had this year.  Stillman did it a few years ago (left D3 GSAC to join D2 SIAC) and it seemed to work out for them...

Although I could be wrong, I can't see the Hon. Hazel O'Leary and Dr. Larry Glover recommending Fisk join the SIAC and become D2. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 12, 2006, 08:05:44 AM
I see that Tony Jones has got one of the best PGs in the Midwest to come to UT.  See link:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060412/SPORTS05/604120383/1004/SPORTS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2006, 08:37:43 AM
Quote from: wilburt on April 12, 2006, 07:37:20 AM
I see that Lincoln is/will be leaving D3 to go D2 once they get approval from their College Presidents to join the CIAA. 

Good Morning, Wilburt!  Do you have a URL for the Lincoln D2 story? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 12, 2006, 09:26:37 AM
This is it Ralph:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=174
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 12, 2006, 02:53:50 PM
Rust needs to go ahead and do the inevitable and that is join the gsac
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 12, 2006, 07:37:27 PM
Man Grubb, Wilburt talking about Stillman reminds me a few years ago of this skinny guy who dropped like 45 on us at home.  He was probably the best DIII player i have ever seen.  Or at the least the single greatest one-game performance i have ever seen.  In the end it was not enough as MURVUL was victorious.  Was that when you were still brining the rock down the court?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 13, 2006, 03:15:05 PM
i wasn't a pg quite yet then, i was a sophomore and his name was Miles Thrash, he is still playing pro ball and has been for years, he had 44 pts that game and all of them under intense defensive pressure from the likes of Spencer Beaty, he was by far the best i ever played against including  a couple of future NBDL guys and a ACC all rookie team guy and other D1 transfers, the only comparison to him was Dotson (in his prime) from Fisk, but that is just a comparison, Thrash was much better
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on April 13, 2006, 04:22:04 PM
Just noticed that Covenant on Signal Mountain just added baseball to the sports category.  Any chance of luring them into the GSAC?

Hey Beaty, Im trying to catch you in Karma, doesnt matter what I post, people give me negatives and I think it is great.  Can we somehow get me to -100 before June?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on April 14, 2006, 07:36:52 AM
Happy Easter weekend to everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 14, 2006, 09:36:52 AM
As Far as covanent goes, I know that their soccer Program is NAIA so i dont know what that means for the rest of their athletic programs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 14, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
covenant is NAIA and they have a bball team, Wilburt let's be honest, they could not win at fisk or murvul, but i think they would be a good fit, everyone get on them
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 11:00:02 AM
Add Covenant and Shorter, and you have 7 men's teams and the Automatic Qualifier in basketball, soccer and baseball.

Plus you pick up another football school, in Shorter.

Now all that Covenant and Shorter need to do is to go thru the 5-7 year process of becoming an NCAA D3 school!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 14, 2006, 11:20:42 AM
Don't know anything about Covenant or Shorter or where they are even located.

I thought that Crichton College in Memphis was a prime candidate for the GSAC until they decided a year or so ago to go NAIA and join the TranSouth Conference.

I was thinking more along the lines of a Tenn. Temple in Chattanooga as GSAC material. I know that they would have to add some sports and apply for D3 status. Plus it is a good regional fit (centrally located).

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 11:39:19 AM
Wilburt, Tennessee Temple would need to add at least 2 men's sports and 3 women's sports.  (Is their enrollment greater than 1000? Then they would need to have 6 sports each.)

That is a big hurdle.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 14, 2006, 12:00:22 PM
adding the sports is a good way to add students
I think the schools in the Chattanooga/N. Georgia area would be a better fit than Crichton, ex. Lagrange traveling to memphis, but if they would fit, then rust would be a logical next step
Chattanooga/N. Georgia area schools
Reinhardt
Shorter
Berry
Covenant
Tenn. Temple

I think with King leaving the AAC for the NCAA D2 SAC and they are planning on going NCAA 1 in four years, the AAC would be a great place to steal away schools for the GSAC and get maryville's automatic bid
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on April 14, 2006, 12:27:40 PM
I thought Maryville had an automatic bid?

None of those schools in GA are going to make the move.  They have no idea what d3 is about with the exception of Berry whose president has a d3 background.  They would go D2 if anywhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on April 14, 2006, 12:43:27 PM
Dont think TN Temple will join the GSAC.  I think their basketball team is actually trying to get in the D2 level.  "Going down" a level is probably not in their plans.  Speaking of going down, Grubb, what are you doing this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on April 14, 2006, 12:43:27 PM
Dont think TN Temple will join the GSAC.  I think their basketball team is actually trying to get in the D2 level.  "Going down" a level is probably not in their plans.  Speaking of going down, Grubb, what are you doing this weekend?

ohyeah, I am glad that you put "going down" in quotation marks, because we all know that moving to D3 is "Moving Up" (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=195) .
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 14, 2006, 10:59:59 PM
I cannot believe that King would be trying to go DI.  Granted, they would get better players than they have now if they were DI, but the players they have now couldnt even contest MURVUL much less the DI colleges of the south.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 14, 2006, 11:00:27 PM
Have a great easter all
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 16, 2006, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 14, 2006, 12:00:22 PM
I think with King leaving the AAC for the NCAA D2 SAC and they are planning on going NCAA 1 in four years, the AAC would be a great place to steal away schools for the GSAC and get maryville's automatic bid

To clarify: Don't you mean Maryville's automatic Pool B bid?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 16, 2006, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on April 14, 2006, 12:43:27 PM
Dont think TN Temple will join the GSAC.  I think their basketball team is actually trying to get in the D2 level.  "Going down" a level is probably not in their plans.  Speaking of going down, Grubb, what are you doing this weekend?

Ralph: TN Temple would have to add a few sports. In addition their enrollment is at about 500 or so students.  I believe Crichton College was in a similar situation a few years ago before they decided to go the NAIA route.  It would just take a commitement from their administration to do so.  If Crichton could do it so can TN Temple.  It just may take a little longer...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 17, 2006, 10:29:41 AM
Any info on any of the incoming recruting classes?? Hope everyone is having a good offseason and before you know it its here....
  Pretty decent recruiting class coming in for the Scots if they sign!!
Hope all is well with all you guys.. Grubb, Oh Yea, Wilburt, and Beaty..

  By the way OH Yea what happened to you on Sunday of that tournament we had up in Clinton??hahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 17, 2006, 11:03:53 AM
No info on any recruiting classes Raul.  I would guess that the majority of GSAC recruits are still making up their minds about which school to attend.  I am sure they have their schools narrowed down to 2-3.

Fisk  just had a "Scholars Weekend" for prospective students and I heard that a lot of "great students" either committed to attend my alma mater or reaffirmed their decision to attend Fisk.  Among the "great students" in the Class of 2010 is one student from a south suburban Chicago high school who has a 3.47 GPA and ranked 27th in their class and another incoming freshman is from a St. Louis, Missouri high school who has a 3.80 GPA and ranked 8th in their class of 147 and so on and so on...

Not aware as to whether any student-athletes made any commitments to attend Fisk yet!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 17, 2006, 03:20:25 PM
just know that lambert locks up his best recruits in the summer months
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 17, 2006, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 17, 2006, 03:20:25 PM
just know that lambert locks up his best recruits in the summer months

So does the great Dr. Glover, Mr. Grubb...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 17, 2006, 10:23:08 PM
Most DIII players are waiting for the bigger programs to put the big money in their laps.  When that doesnt pan out they need somewhere to go so where do they turn to.  "The Murvul College Fighting Scots."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 18, 2006, 08:03:08 AM
True Coach Beaty, but I would add also that many of the same ones waiting to hear from the bigger programs may end up at the jucos. 

A friend of mine who has coached high school basketball said to me that rather than having to pay tuition at a D3 school for their freshman and sophomore years, many high school seniors will take a "full ride" for 2 years at the local juco and then transfer to a D2 school (if their skill set improves) or to a D3 school (paying only for their junior and senior years).

I remember when I was a high school senior (many moons ago) I chose Fisk University  over Morehouse College  primarily because of its outstanding academics, small class sizes and its fairly good track program (at that time). Even those Morehouse had produced multi-Olympic Gold Medal winner Edwin Moses, Fisk  had produced several Division III track and field individual champions. The only recruiting contact I got for Track and Field was from Rose-Hulman. I was a "walk-on" for the Fisk Track team! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 19, 2006, 08:54:02 AM
GSAC Killer talked about Murvul's recruits, but what about those guys that will leave or transfer from Murvul?  Like former Scot Jeff Willis who transfered to D2 Barry in Florida last season.  Surprised he got away from Murvul...

Question: can Oglethorpe afford to fly to Colorado College and those Texas schools in the SCAC for athletic contests in the near furture?  It might be tooooo expensive for Oglethorpe to stay in the SCAC if their travel budget keeps going up...  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 19, 2006, 01:54:20 PM
I was the one who put Jk on at Barry.. They recruited me out of high school and junior college but I just didnt want to stay home.. He was a type of player who did not fit in here so I helped him out to go somewhere would he could play to his ability and talents...
  Da Ville might be better off if some of the guys do transfer... Well enough with that.. 1 more month of school left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 19, 2006, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on April 19, 2006, 01:54:20 PM
  Da Ville might be better off if some of the guys do transfer... Well enough with that..

Maybe yes, Maybe no Raul, but I'll never tell :-X!

Question:  Anybody else you are sending to Barry after this season?  Or is this some type of Florida-Murvul trade deal where Jeff Willis was "the player to be named later" in the Raul Placeres for Lee Humphrey exchange?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 19, 2006, 07:21:08 PM
Bad news on the murvul line.  Apparantely 5 people have recently quit the MC basketball team to go in another direction.  These are unconfirmed but JJ and Trey Brewer have both left the team.  This is a blow for MC but we need people like Q and Alex Bowers (a really raw guard who can flat out play) to step it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 19, 2006, 07:24:12 PM
Hey that Humphrey for Placeres trade sounds ok with me.  Raul is all washed up anyways.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 20, 2006, 07:52:00 AM
Fisk's Chris Adams was a Nashville Civitan Nipper Sportsmanship Award honoree.   Congratulations Chris! This kind of makes up for not making the All-GSAC team. Check out articles...

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section_id=7&screen=news&news_id=49275

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006604200430


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 20, 2006, 12:01:56 PM
Quote from: wilburt on April 20, 2006, 07:52:00 AM
Fisk's Chris Adams was a Nashville Civitan Nipper Sportsmanship Award honoree.   Congratulations Chris! This kind of makes up for not making the All-GSAC team. Check out articles...


Huh? Sportsmanship Award ... Chris Adams? What in the world was that based on?

Personally, I like Chris. I've talked to him several times over the last couple of years, and he has always impressed me as a pretty good guy. But I have to admit, he is probably not in my top 100 of people I would have expected to win a Sportsmanship Award.

Interesting choice ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on April 20, 2006, 05:06:05 PM
Isnt this a guy that techs in crucial situations and got in a fight at Huntingdon?  Anyways, looks like Dr. Glover nominated him and they got awards if they were nominated. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 21, 2006, 10:21:41 AM
Chris Adams sportsmanship, yeah and bill clinton is husband of the decade for the 1990's
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 21, 2006, 11:25:23 AM
Player haters unite ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on April 21, 2006, 11:51:38 AM
Dont know if I would call it hating or speaking the truth.  Wilburt, I think I remember you being ashamed of his actions at one point in time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 21, 2006, 12:50:36 PM
i would not call it hating either, i would call it giving an undeserved award, the kid did get ejected from multiple games and disgrace himself after one of his victories, which he was ejected from, these are not qualifications of a sportsmanship award in my book, he may have been a talented player, but his sportsmanship was suspect at best, he stopped just short of head butting
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 21, 2006, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: wilburt on April 21, 2006, 11:25:23 AM
Player haters unite ...

Not me ... as I said, I like Chris Adams. Intensity is a good thing. It's a shame some of his mentors along they way weren't able to help him learn how to focus it in a more positive manner.

I just find it interesting that someone (Glover?) would choose him as the Fisk player to single out for a sportsmanship award.

You are usually pretty good at explaining "all things Fisk". Care to venture an explanation here?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 21, 2006, 01:11:39 PM
Old Lion said:
You are usually pretty good at explaining "all things Fisk". Care to venture an explanation here?

Old Lion I thought I answered that in my previous quote with this:
Quote from: wilburt on April 20, 2006, 07:52:00 AM
Congratulations Chris! This kind of makes up for not making the All-GSAC team.




Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 21, 2006, 01:40:48 PM
what i addressed were the things that kept him off of the all gsac team and no it does not make up for it, at the end of the day, every player in the gsac wants to be on the all conference team and every good player would like to get the poy award, it is nice to be recognized by your peers (coaches of other gsac schools) as one of hte best in your league and you can do things to keep yourself from getting the recognition your abilities deserve and Adams is an example of that and hopefully an example that future gsac players will learn from
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 21, 2006, 01:49:08 PM
I just find everyone's reactions and this whole thing quite humorous and ironic on a certain level  :D.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 21, 2006, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: wilburt on April 21, 2006, 01:11:39 PM
Old Lion said:
You are usually pretty good at explaining "all things Fisk". Care to venture an explanation here?

Old Lion I thought I answered that in my previous quote with this:
Quote from: wilburt on April 20, 2006, 07:52:00 AM
Congratulations Chris! This kind of makes up for not making the All-GSAC team.







OK, I may be getting confused here ... let me see if I'm properly understanding your explanation ...

You are saying that Glover threw him a bone  (nominating him for the Sportsmanship Award) to make up for the fact the he didn't make the all-GSAC team?

Well I agree with you about the irony ... considering that one of the primary reasons he wasn't named all-GSAC in the first place, was that he exhibited such poor sportsmanship!

As that great American, Richard Pryor, would have said, "Now that's some irony for yo ass!"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 21, 2006, 02:18:41 PM
As that great American, Richard Pryor, would have said, "Now that's some irony for yo ass!"
Quote

Stop. Please Stop. You guys are cracking me up  :D ;D :D ;D!

wilburt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 21, 2006, 04:04:16 PM
I have just now figured out our secret X factor for next year.  He is from Miami Florida and he is Cuban.  Can you say "Raul Placeres."  Well its not Raul but I am told by my sources that he is a freaking beast in the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 21, 2006, 04:47:09 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on April 21, 2006, 04:04:16 PM
I have just now figured out our secret X factor for next year.  He is from Miami Florida and he is Cuban.  Can you say "Raul Placeres."  Well its not Raul but I am told by my sources that he is a freaking beast in the paint.


No need to be coy, SB. If you have some news, let's hear some details.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 21, 2006, 05:09:54 PM
don't losers get sportsmanship awards, winners get championships?

yeah i think lambert has about 4 players left, he is getting a very quick pg coming in from the E. TN area, similar to coppage but a little smarter i think.

He is waiting on a couple of other committments but the D2 schools in the area are still messing around with some guys, that will end soon enough and the cream will end up at MC

I miss Jarvis Townes
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2006, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 21, 2006, 05:09:54 PM
don't losers get sportsmanship awards, winners get championships?


Sometimes you get both.  I thoroughly enjoyed coaching my children in soccer, baseball and softball.  My kids were on some very talented teams, and I have 5 Sportsmanship Trophies from seasons that we won or were finalists in the post-season tourney.

(As for hoops, I was a slow, white, short, church league, back-up #2 guard with an awesome 7" vertical leap! :D  I can conceptualize hoops! :D ;D :D 8) )
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 22, 2006, 09:53:59 AM
I have good and bad news on the homefront.  First the bad.  Spencer Beaty, my namesake, will be going to take the head coaching job at Gatlinburg-Pittman.  No, not a college like he deserves, but a struggling high school program.  It really pains me to see that happen.  Also a little more news in recruiting.  There is a very real possibility that a 6 10 monster from milligan who is transfering is coming to maryville.  He has narrowed it down and Murvul is still on the list.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 22, 2006, 09:56:22 AM
I would also like to congratulate Matt Grubb on his new starter role he has earned.  Congrats and i hope to be there in a few.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 22, 2006, 09:58:02 AM
I think we should drop the whole sportsmanship award debate.  Its over he has the award probably in a box somewhere because he doesnt even care about it.  That is the way sportsmanship awards work.  You get it and hide it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 22, 2006, 03:41:39 PM
Congrats Coach Beaty...

Chris Adams and Dr. Glover RULE!!!!!!

P.S. Is Grubb's namesake Brent?  Enquiring minds want to know?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 23, 2006, 07:29:36 PM
I could tell ya but i would have to kill ya.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 24, 2006, 08:54:38 AM
my namesake is calvin brodus

Just a hint at the future but murvul's starting line up next year will be

freshman PG
Bo Mason at the duece
Quinn Bradley
Chris "Cuffs" Orr or a transfer that i already know about
Bobby Golden Corral anchoring the inside

coming off the bench
Jeremy Holliday
Bradley "i beat Carson Newman" Blair
Lil Samuel Coppage
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 24, 2006, 09:04:56 AM
Okay Snoop Doggy Grubb!

Looks like from that lineup that Murvul will lose some more GSAC games next season...  I thought you guys were going to improve?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 24, 2006, 10:57:32 AM
that line up is probably the strongest frontcourt line up the GSAC has seen since Ennen, Sigmund, and Tummel, while not that strong b/c Ennen and Tummel were superstuds, the best post players the gsac has ever and may will ever see, Blair and Golden are tough
There is a lot of depth down low and i expect to see either cuffs or Holliday on the perimeter at some point, more of a defensive move, but who knows who lambert has coming in as his surprise recruit, he will have one for sure

Bow Wow Wow
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 24, 2006, 11:11:44 AM
Can any of y'all who know things Murvul share info as to why there have been more defections than usual?

I infer that this freshman pg is pretty good, since it seemed like Coppage could play well enough to let Bo play the two.  What is it about The Redhead that lets him step ahead of Jeremy?  Has he reached 150 lbs. yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 24, 2006, 11:39:52 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 24, 2006, 10:57:32 AM
that line up is probably the strongest frontcourt line up the GSAC has seen since ....

Yea Grubb, that front court is really strong and tough enough all right.  So much so that they lost to Huntingdon's big men twice last season!   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 24, 2006, 12:57:37 PM
lets be honest, yes or no, HC has better big men than maryville?

NO

The problems the scots have faced and are facing are in the backcourt, Bo is not a pg, without Monte, the best player in the gsac last year, they did not have a consistent threat, Coppage is a backup pg, unless you need him to start b/c there is no one else

Maryville's problems have and will be in the backcourt, William you have seen them play and you know this is true
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 24, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
HC's big men were not athletic and didn't move well.  I concede that.  Plus HC's guards were EXTREMELY vulnerable to the full court press which neither Fisk nor Murvul exploited very well at the GSAC tourney. 

But give HC and Duckworth credit.  He got the most out of his talent.  They had arguably the third most talented team in the GSAC and they won it all on their home court! 


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 24, 2006, 01:55:53 PM
Wilburt
I hate to say it, but i completely agree with you and now there is a third legit contender year in and year out for the gsac tournament title

I will not concede the regular season crown yet, until someone takes it and murvul has never lost it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 24, 2006, 02:16:30 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 24, 2006, 01:55:53 PM
Wilburt
I hate to say it, but i completely agree with you and now there is a third legit contender year in and year out for the gsac tournament title

You were doing well Grubb (by agreeing with me) until you said there was a third legit contender year in and year out for the GSAC tourney title. 

There may be a third contender next year but it certainly won't be HC.  It took Duckworth 4 years to get to this point and it will take another 4 years for him to return (given the players he has lost to graduation).  As I said before, HC will likely return to mediocrity next season...   

Sorry Coach Haynes, but that third contender next season should be Piedmont if their nucleus returns!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2006, 02:20:44 PM
Who's the second? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 24, 2006, 02:30:43 PM
Take a wild guess...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 24, 2006, 03:31:10 PM
William:  Last time I looked, Fisk lost quite as much as HC did and you have written them off, after extolling Coach Duckworth as able to get all there is from his players.  So I am finding the wild guessing just that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 24, 2006, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 24, 2006, 03:31:10 PM
William:  Last time I looked, Fisk lost quite as much as HC did and you have written them off, after extolling Coach Duckworth as able to get all there is from his players.  So I am finding the wild guessing just that.

True Doug Fisk has lost as much as HC. However, I doubt that it will take Dr. Glover another 4 years to make Fisk "competitive" like I anticipate it will for Mr. Duckworth to develop his fall's incoming class of recruits.

Take another wild guess Doug  :). 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 24, 2006, 07:32:16 PM
Grubb if you say Orr is taking the starting spot away from Jeremy you are full of it.  Orr is nothing but a cupcake with strawberry frosting.  I do agree from what i have heard that a very awesome PG is coming to town and bo will move to the shooting guard where he belongs.  Bring a very improved bench with Bradely Blair, Alex Bowers, and Sam Coppage along with a very good transfer at the 4 spot that isnt as good as jeremy though,  Grubb i think we are talking bout the same guy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 25, 2006, 08:19:01 AM
I bet we see holliday at the 3 some b/c of his defensive capabilities
How can Duckworth get all he can from his players and then be mediocre
Seriously Pat you are right, who is the second?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 25, 2006, 08:42:35 AM
If anyone knows me I am as optimistic as they come but I really don't feel the 2006-2007 Scots are really good right now.. They lack leadership and starting material wings.. Q and Bowers are good players but they are role players.. Bo is better suited at the 2 but I don't think that change will be made.
  I have seen both point guards that are be recruited and Samuel Coppage is as good ro better and that is not saying much..
  The good thing is that Dr.Randy D. Lambert will make it happen but I believe it is going to be difficult.. Good thing is the conference will be weak next year..
The Fighting Scots have not had a good 4 man since Walden Buttram... Holiday and Orr combined don't make a good 4 man..
  The kid coming in from Miami is going to be a force to be reckoned with after Bobby and Bradley graduate.. Every other recruit has been AVERAGE!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 25, 2006, 09:06:11 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 25, 2006, 08:19:01 AM
How can Duckworth get all he can from his players and then be mediocre
Seriously Pat you are right, who is the second?

Let me explain: Duckworth got all he could from his players THIS SEASON. 

NEXT SEASON will likely be a mediocre one for HC.  Why?  Duckworth loses his nucleus. Furthermore, it took Duckworth 4 years to develop the class of recruits that included Allen White from Freshmen year to their Senior year this past season.  If history repeats itself, then it will likely take him another 4 years to return to the top of the GSAC.

Oglethorpe is the second...

Fisk  loses its nucleus as well, but from what I've been able to gauge we will reload instead of rebuild!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 25, 2006, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: wilburt on April 25, 2006, 09:06:11 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 25, 2006, 08:19:01 AM
How can Duckworth get all he can from his players and then be mediocre
Seriously Pat you are right, who is the second?

Let me explain: Duckworth got all he could from his players THIS SEASON. 

Oglethorpe is the second...

Huh? I'm afraid I'm going to need an explanation on this one too ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on April 25, 2006, 11:35:25 AM
Im sorry but I couldnt help to hear you guys make any more excuses about Huntingdon only reason why they won was because they played on there home court when we completely demoralize Maryville in the championship and Lambert just sat back folded his legs and put his hands over head with 8 mins to go. We just were the better team hands down and next year we will be good. we still have Cole Hairston who nobody in the whole league can match up with and with Dave Sampleton who was on the all freshman team to carry us and few recruits coming in that are also very good to help feel the roles that are gone now Anyways, HC will once silence all doubters next year and being in contention for another Championship
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 25, 2006, 11:43:38 AM
The Oglethorpe reference was a joke Old Lion...

d3ball: I can't wait to see what HC has next season  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 25, 2006, 12:26:39 PM
Quote from: wilburt on April 25, 2006, 11:43:38 AM
The Oglethorpe reference was a joke Old Lion...


I assumed so ... it's a shame it's not true, they would make a nice addition to the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 25, 2006, 12:27:51 PM
bout time we got a good HC guy on the board, welcome fellow gsac POY Allen White,
I agree you were the better team on that day and late in the season, probably not the whole season, b/c MC losing Monte would have been like HC losing you, changes alot
I have always thought Duckworth has a very disciplined system and now i think that system is engrained and HC will flourish and he is in a big city, hopefully easier to recruit, than a small town, but lambert is reaching icon level status, a writer for the knoxville newspaper told me the other day he was falling in love with the maryville system and was pushing for more coverage, i think the bruce pearl effect which has swept Tennessee and the nation, is having a trickle down effect to the great program has had for years and people now know what one looks like so they appreciate maryville bball

D3Ball do you know my good friend Alex Oliver down there in Montgomery, he was a stud for ASU

D3Ball i had to take your karma just cause you were the first POY not from maryville, nothing personal
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 25, 2006, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: d3ball on April 25, 2006, 11:35:25 AM
We just were the better team hands down and next year we will be good. we still have Cole Hairston who nobody in the whole league can match up with and with Dave Sampleton who was on the all freshman team to carry us and few recruits coming in that are also very good to help feel the roles that are gone now Anyways, HC will once silence all doubters next year and being in contention for another Championship

D3ball, I'll give you high marks for your school spirit and loyalty ... for your prognostication ability, not so high ... we'll see.

I like Hairston and Sampleton, but they are going to need a lot of help ... at least 4 or 5 quality new guys. Do you have that much help in the pipeline? If so, let's hear some details ...

BTW, as a D3 bball fan, I detest recruiting season. I find the lack of info and commitments very frustrating. I don't see how the D3 coaches have the patience for it, year in and year out.

I wish there was a better forum for at least tracking the "verbal commitments" of in-coming D3 players. If anyone knows of one, please let me know.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 25, 2006, 01:15:49 PM
Here is some d3football recruiting info Old Lion.  Murvul just got another football player. Read the link:

http://www.loudon.xtn.net/index.php?table=news&template=news.view.subscriber&newsid=130176
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 25, 2006, 04:26:38 PM
GSACKiller at al:  I know that Randall D. Lambert has helped several "average" recruits become way better than that after they are around MC for a year or two.  Since highschool hotshots get a lot of attention from the NAIA and D2 coaches, the D3 coaches have to have a sharp eye for unrealizedinhighschool potential.  Even Buttram was way better his second year.  Other examples include Ennen.  Even Watts.  So, any of the new guys likely to make the list?  Maybe Orr is such a player?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 25, 2006, 10:03:46 PM
Let me be the first to say that in most of the people you named had the ability but not the brains.  Right now im not sure if orr has either.  Murvul could possibly go big with golden bradely and holliday with Q and Bo.  That would be some intimidating matchups for the opposition.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 25, 2006, 10:04:45 PM
Are you really Allen White d3ball?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 26, 2006, 08:36:36 AM
Just wanted to give a shout out to my boy " The Grubby One" You still can FLY!!!
  Looking like Brent Barry yesterday... Nice to see you again old timer..
By the way Orr has ability but I think he pumps Kool Aid and not blood when he is playing...
   Q is having a great spring watch out for him if he keeps developing....
  There is no comparison with Orr to Ennen, Buttram or Watts.. NO WAY!!!!!!!Your talking about ALL Conference Players and basically Honorable mention ALL AMEricans... Orr will never achieve that status...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 26, 2006, 09:05:42 AM
Killer is right, no matter what Orr does not have the potential to compare to a 2 time All south/Gsac POY like matt ennen,
You have to take the tools the players have like Ennen great size and a great jump shot, people don't realize that matt ennen had one of the best mid range jumpers the gsac has seen in a while, i mean the guy scored 1500 pts and you don't do that without a mid range game

Also, killer i am getting old, but not out of shape, days like that happen once every 2 weeks to a month
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 26, 2006, 11:50:59 AM
No matter what you LOOKED GREAT!! Hey Grubby one I might need a job here pretty soon.. Can you help a fellow Alumni? Email me and let me know...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 26, 2006, 03:25:08 PM
i wish some of the fighting scots that currently play were that athletic or as quick as you, then we would not be wondering about next season,

By the way, Bobby Golden is a big guy
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 26, 2006, 07:14:37 PM
Is it possible that MC might hire an assistant womens bball coach to fill the spot of coach Beaty.  And is it possible that this man who fills the position is cuban and his name starts with an R.  I think everyone knows who I am talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 26, 2006, 07:15:43 PM
You might have been playing like a champ the other day watts.  But if you come into my neighborhood my man D-Large and W-Lamberto will show you a thing or two.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 26, 2006, 10:10:32 PM
Where is waldo?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 27, 2006, 09:10:23 AM
D-Large could not handle my game, he has not been able to beat me for 10 years

And...No Lambert will ever beat me
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 27, 2006, 03:51:10 PM
Lambert is ready to have Mike Jones back on the bench, he wants to beat him bad
All you all remember, so come and some go, but there will always be Lambert!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 27, 2006, 03:52:18 PM
Although I had a blast with the Ladies team this year and all of the accomplishments and I am a Men's Coach.. Since no one has mentioned it i want to say CONGRATS to Coach Beaty and his new job.. He is the new Head Boys Coach at "GP".. He will do an exceptional job there... I wish him the best of luck and the Scots will definitely miss him..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 28, 2006, 08:17:10 AM
Quote from: wilburt on April 22, 2006, 03:41:39 PM
Congrats Coach Beaty...

What's that GSAC Killer.  I congratulated Mr. Beaty.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 28, 2006, 08:18:03 AM
My Bad!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 28, 2006, 08:25:27 AM
Murvul bball recruiting news below:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/235914

No problem GSAC Killer.  I make mistakes all the time.  Look at my past GSAC predictions...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 28, 2006, 02:46:24 PM
Lambert still has more in the pipe, the big ones are yet to come
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 28, 2006, 02:47:36 PM
The scots need to spend more time in the beautiful Matt Ennen weight room located in the cooper athletic center, seriously they really need to
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 28, 2006, 09:02:47 PM
Escpecially there power forwards who arent very powerful
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 30, 2006, 02:15:44 PM
Fisk will be playing @ Webster Univ. next season in November.  Wasn't Webster's Coach at Murvul for hot minute?  I hope we have a successful trip to St. Louis next season. 

BTW, Old Lion is the Big Man you were talking about attending Piedmont - Wes Miller the 6' 6"  Forward North Springs H.S. in Fulton County (GA)? 



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 30, 2006, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: wilburt on April 30, 2006, 02:15:44 PM

BTW, Old Lion is the Big Man you were talking about attending Piedmont - Wes Miller the 6' 6"  Forward North Springs H.S. in Fulton County (GA)? 



He is one of them. Supposedly, he is a done deal ... as much as anyone can be a "done deal" in D3.

The word is, we have a pretty good shot at a couple of other big guys. I'd say it's better than a 50/50 chance we'll get at least one of them. If that happens, we should have all the pieces we need to put together a good run.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 01, 2006, 08:22:45 AM
Is it me or does Piedmont PG Jake Green resemble Phoenix Sun PG Steve Nash?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 01, 2006, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: wilburt on May 01, 2006, 08:22:45 AM
Is it me or does Piedmont PG Jake Green resemble Phoenix Sun PG Steve Nash?

There are some similarities in appearance and game ...

Fortunately, Jake has a better hair cut.   :D

Unfortunately, Steve's shot is better.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 01, 2006, 09:51:35 AM
Coach Bunch at Webster U was at Maryville for the 00-01 and 01-02 seasons, he was okay other than being big and bald, his gorlock team finished strong this year winning about 12 of their last 15 games, saw them play this year, well coached, lacking in talent but play hard
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 01, 2006, 02:59:32 PM
Jake Green hands down best PG in the conference.. In my opinion Coaching staff at Piedmont does not use him in the right way.. He could be the difference if used correctly for Piedmont to win the Conference..
  Just my opinion on the matter..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 01, 2006, 03:26:36 PM
The difference in the conference next year is going to be some 6'7" kid lambert has coming in next year, at this rate everyone on the team will be 6'7" in 5 years, the day of the short fat guy are numbered in college ball, but they were good days, more dunks out of the short guys
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 01, 2006, 03:46:51 PM
Since I'm on a role Old Lion, how about Chuck McCoy 6' 3" Combo Guard from Etowah H.S. (GA).  Is he headed to Piedmont also?   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 01, 2006, 04:53:25 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 01, 2006, 03:46:51 PM
Since I'm on a role Old Lion, how about Chuck McCoy 6' 3" Combo Guard from Etowah H.S. (GA).  Is he headed to Piedmont also?   

Not sure ... I have heard the name mentioned.

You guys lost a lot of Seniors. How's the rebuilding (Oops, I mean reloading) effort coming along. Tell Patton if he's afraid he'll get lonely up there with all his boys gone, that we'll be happy to take him at Piedmont. It's closer to home for him anyway.  ;)

Do you think he'd be a good fit in our get out and push the ball style? That, I'd like to see. Hey, a man can dream, can't he?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 02, 2006, 12:53:47 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 01, 2006, 02:59:32 PM
Jake Green hands down best PG in the conference.. In my opinion Coaching staff at Piedmont does not use him in the right way.. He could be the difference if used correctly for Piedmont to win the Conference..
  Just my opinion on the matter..

Killer,

I happen to agree that he is the top PG in the league ... he has led the league in assists his first two years, playing on under classmen dominated teams. I'm not sure, but I think he's been 2nd or 3rd in the GSAC in steals over those two years, as well. IMHO, the true measure of any PG is ... Does his team function better when he is on the floor? I think he passes that test.

That is why I was disappointed in how the All-GSAC teams were selected last year ... as opposed to when you were a senior. (You "only" averaged 9.7 ppg and 4.9 apg that year ... but you were all-GSAC, as you s/h/b.) It appeared to me that last year, the people making the selections didn't place much value on "pure PG skills". But instead, they seemed to focus just on the guys scoring the points. Obviously, this statement is an exaggeration to make a point, but that's somewhat akin to picking an all star football team with just QBs and RBs. Yeah, those are the guys getting the headlines, but they aren't doing it by themselves. Football and baseball all-star teams are always picked by position ... seems to me basketball teams s/b too.

But that's "water under the bridge" ... on to next year. We have the majority of our core guys returning. And supposedly we are making good progress on bringing in at least 2 or 3 "difference makers". I don't want to jump the gun here and start making any predictions ... but I am optimistic that next season could be a good one.

Re your comments that our PG was used incorrectly ... interesting. We finished 14th in the nation in scoring and 9th in the nation in assists, so it seems we must have been doing something right? But obviously, you know a great deal about PG play ... So I have to ask... What do you think we s/h done differently?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 02, 2006, 09:03:48 AM
I totally understand your claim for his position on the ALL GSAC teams but here is my opinion on stats.. Although I did only average 10ppg and 5apg I only played 24 minutes a game.. I for one thought that was ridiculous.. If I would have been given the time Bo did this year or any of the guys for Fisk I probably would have been the Player of the Year in conference my senior year (which not to be an idiot about awards or anything but I truly believed I deserved it my Senior Year) but i rather take the 20- 0 conference record!!hahaha... I would have possibly averaged a double double with Mason or Sidney Ellis minutes.. But enough about me... I am over and done with at the college level... Stats sometimes are not indicative of how valuable a players is.. How many guys had better numbers than me in the Conference my senior year but were they BETTER or meant more to their team than  me: HECK NO!!!!!! So.......
  If I were in charge of making the ALL GSAC teams I would base it on performance within the conference.. That is what ALL CONFERENCE means in my book... I played my best against those teams in the conference because that is what mattered the most..
  I think Jake without a doubt is the best "pure" PG in the conference. Reminds me a lot of myself ( without the Swagger) I just wished I could have played in a free system like he has at Piedmont..
  MORE BALL SCREENS for him and let him create.. Less of that 5 in 5 out stuff... LET PLAYERS BE PLAYERS!!! That goes for any coach who is in the business..
  By the way what makes a player a PLAYER in my book is not just winning but making those around him better with not just his play but with leadership...
  2 WEEKS TILL GRADUATION!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 02, 2006, 09:58:27 AM
Mr. Patton is just fine in Nashville - Old Lion  ;).

Next year's seniors CG Marquis Patton (Georgia), F Aaron Hinton (Alabama), F Cedric Carr (Texas) came in 2003-04 and they have observed a lot and played in some big games during their 3 years at Fisk. 

I just wonder what big men Dr. Glover will bring in from the high school or juco ranks.  The backcourt should be fine next season with Marquis Patton (All-GSAC), Brandon Johnson (who I believe returns to the team next season) and James Shivers (a 5th year Senior I think).   Shivers IMHO is probably the best 3 pt shooter in the GSAC after Maryville's Mason! 

Aaron Hinton, Cedric Carr, Goldie Hall (All-GSAC Freshman team), and Jeremy Rawls will likely be on the wing/small forward positions.  The key will be who will fill the 4 and 5 positions next season.   

So we will see what happens in the reloading process... 

There's a lot of talent on that 2006 State Champion Memphis Hamilton H.S. team  ;).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 02, 2006, 10:47:06 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 02, 2006, 09:03:48 AM
1) I only played 24 minutes a game.. I for one thought that was ridiculous..

2)  Stats sometimes are not indicative of how valuable a players is.. How many guys had better numbers than me in the Conference my senior year but were they BETTER or meant more to their team than  me: HECK NO!!!!!!
 
3) Jake reminds me a lot of myself ( without the Swagger) I just wished I could have played in a free system like he has at Piedmont..

4)  MORE BALL SCREENS for him and let him create..

5) Less of that 5 in, 5 out stuff...

6)  By the way what makes a player a PLAYER in my book is not just winning but making those around him better with not just his play but with leadership...

7)  2 WEEKS TILL GRADUATION!!


1) I agree, I've noticed that most good teams who are fortunate enough to have a "make everyone else better" type of PG tend to want them on the floor as much as possible.

2) Agreed. Seems obvious ... s/b reflected in all conference teams ...

3) You guys are similar in a lot of ways. Piedmont's wide open, push the ball style is a good fit for Jake. But there are usually two sides to any issue. I'm sure you benefited from playing in an established, winning program with experienced teammates. For example, less turnovers ...

4) Interesting ... My philosophy is, if you have a gifted PG, push the ball on every possession, look for opportunities to create in transition. But, the transition opportunities aren't always there. You have to have the ability to back the ball out and run an offense, get everyone involved. I think we usually did that pretty well. Maybe we could leave more room for our PG to create in our half court offense ...

5) Amen. That s/b used sparingly ... to rest your starters or shake things up, occasionally. If you're not careful, that two unit stuff can become a real flow killer. I think we figured that out by the end of the season.

6) Amen.

7) Good luck in the "real world", Killer. If you can just shake that appalling lack of self confidence, I think you'll be just fine.   ;D   Seriously, I wish you the best.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 02, 2006, 12:05:32 PM
I actually thought that Raul deserved the POY award his senior year.  Take him away from that team adn you would have had the first regular season loss in the conference. 

I have seen Jake play on several occassions, granted against Maryville College, but he seemed to lack some focus at times (the scoreboard probably helped that). 

Kinda of contradictory to my previous statement though, it seemed his "stats" would come late in the game when they were behind by 20 points as well against Maryville's 3rd string.  I dont know what it is, but there is just something missing.  Maybe the shot, I dont know, havent seen him enough, however I respect his game a lot. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 02, 2006, 03:53:59 PM
i could have seen raul as a POY, but it would have been tough to take if from Sid, it is tough to compare Green to Raul, Placeres was so good at what he could do and so bad at what he could not do (shooting), but if you are a scorer he is a dream and Lambert usually has plenty of guys who can score
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on May 02, 2006, 06:09:33 PM
Congrats to Coach Beaty on being named the Head Coach at GP. I am positive that he will have a great influence on the young men that will be under his command.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 03, 2006, 08:02:11 AM
I have a question for those who have always criticized my shooting. What do you guys consider a good shooter? Is it what % he shoots from the field? When those shots are hit? Or strictly form?
  I say all those things because if our "Stat Guru" Old Lion goes back and checks the stats I believe I shot over 50% in my college career from the field and over 35% from 3.. I could be wrong but those numbers are pretty close...
  Just a question for some of you who have always doubted my shooting and the shooting of others...

Hey OH YEa I guess they have not seen how good my shot has got this past year!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 08:28:48 AM
In defense of the GSAC Killer.  He may or may not have been a "good shooter" but apparently he could shoot in the clutch.  His last second 3 pointer against @Fisk to send the game into OT a couple of years ago stand out in my mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 03, 2006, 08:57:41 AM
All that matters is that if you are the man, there will come a point in your career when your coach will look at you and say make it, that is the only shot that will define your shooting capability
Good shooters make a lot of shots
Great shooters make great shots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 09:16:29 AM
What the hell excuse me - heck - does that statement mean Grubb?

Based on your statement how would you define Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson? Are they good or great shooters or both?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 03, 2006, 09:55:49 AM
well i would define the shot Kobe hit sunday as a great shot so you do the math
Even if he had hit all his shots in the game and did not hit that one then he is a good shooter, but he hit the great shot as well

Think about, it is about winning
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 03, 2006, 10:08:54 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 03, 2006, 08:02:11 AM
I have a question for those who have always criticized my shooting. What do you guys consider a good shooter? Is it what % he shoots from the field? When those shots are hit? Or strictly form?
  I say all those things because if our "Stat Guru" Old Lion goes back and checks the stats I believe I shot over 50% in my college career from the field and over 35% from 3.. I could be wrong but those numbers are pretty close...
  Just a question for some of you who have always doubted my shooting and the shooting of others...

Hey OH YEa I guess they have not seen how good my shot has got this past year!!

Sorry Killer, I have failed in the assignment you gave me. I could only find stats from your senior year on the Murvul website.

                                       |---TOTAL---| |---3-PTS---|               |----REBOUNDS----|
## Player              GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
20 Placeres, Raul..... 29-22  716 24.7  91-181  .503  17-48   .354  83-126  .659   13  69   82  2.8  47  1 142  50   1  50  282  9.7

I don't know what Grubb was talking about ... I don't know how you can criticize the shooting of a pure PG who shoots 50% from the field. It was probably just some good natured ribbing because he is in awe of your mad PG skills.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 10:18:05 AM
I guess Robert Horry is a GREAT shooter then :).

My preseason GSAC predictions based on returning players and early "signees". (Caveat: they are subject to change in October). Full predictions for the GSAC record and overall record to appear in October - stay tuned...

GSAC records ONLY!

1.  Maryville          7-1      
2.  Piedmont         6-2
3.  Fisk                5-3
4.  LaGrange         1-7
4.  Huntingdon      1-7

Oglethorpe ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 03, 2006, 10:28:49 AM
That is why Old Lion is the MAN..
 

  I think you are overlooking LaGrange... A team who battled everyone last year and brings the majority of the kids back... Watch out!!!
I say    Maryville7-1
             LaGrange 6-2
            Piedmont 5-3

If I was Piedmont's Coach then I would win the GSAC!! haha... 8)

So I made some pretty big shots in my 2 year career here.. Would I be considered a great shooter or a good shooter?? Just kidding I know my shooting was not my strong point but when it came down to it I hit BIG SHOTS...
  "Grubby One" we need to hoop again sometime...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 03, 2006, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 09:16:29 AM
how would you define Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson? Are they good or great shooters or both?

Kobe and Iverson are fierce competitors and great athletes. I wouldn't describe either of them as "shooters". They score a lot mainly because they shoot a heck of a lot.

Although Kobe has transformed his game lately ... and that's the main reason the Lakers are about to eliminate the Suns. I don't know what took him so long ... he has all the tools to be a Jordon/Pippen type, all-around great player.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 03, 2006, 10:28:49 AM
That is why Old Lion is the MAN..
 

  I think you are overlooking LaGrange... A team who battled everyone last year and brings the majority of the kids back... Watch out!!!

1. Old Lion is the man!!!
2. I did take into account LaGrange's returning players GSAC Killer.  I just want to see who they have in the paint next season before I change my prediction for them in the fall.  Any clues Coach Haynes?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 03, 2006, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 10:18:05 AM
I guess Robert Horry is a GREAT shooter then :).

My preseason GSAC predictions based on returning players and early "signees". (Caveat: they are subject to change in October). Full predictions for the GSAC record and overall record to appear in October - stay tuned...

GSAC records ONLY!

1.  Maryville          7-1      
2.  Piedmont         6-2
3.  Fisk                5-3
4.  LaGrange         1-7
4.  Huntingdon      1-7

Oglethorpe ???

What the heck are you doing, Wilburt ... trying to jinx us? I can't believe you are picking Piedmont over Fisk ... I'm getting out my heavy duty golf umbrella, because I'm certain "pigs are flying"!!!!   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 03, 2006, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on May 02, 2006, 12:05:32 PM
I actually thought that Raul deserved the POY award his senior year.  Take him away from that team adn you would have had the first regular season loss in the conference. 

I have seen Jake play on several occassions, granted against Maryville College, but he seemed to lack some focus at times (the scoreboard probably helped that). 

Kinda of contradictory to my previous statement though, it seemed his "stats" would come late in the game when they were behind by 20 points as well against Maryville's 3rd string.  I dont know what it is, but there is just something missing.  Maybe the shot, I dont know, havent seen him enough, however I respect his game a lot. 

If you're only seeing people play against Murvul, that's probably coloring your opinion of a lot of guys. (Sort of the opposite of looking at the world through rose colored glasses.) Murvul usually has a pretty good team ... pretty good teams have a tendency to make others look bad a times. Do I know this game or what?

Hopefully, we'll be more competitive next year and we won't be talking about what any of our guys did when we were down 20. We do have 2 of the finest minds on Posting Up predicting we'll be better next season. Now I'm really getting nervous!

I gotta call you on that 3rd string comment though. We've played Murvul 4 times in the last 2 years and 2 of them were pretty close  ... 10 points and 9 points. I was there for all 4, and personally, I haven't seen much, if any, of Murvul's 3rd string.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 11:08:17 AM
OLD LION said:
"We do have 2 of the finest minds on Posting Up predicting we'll be better next season. Now I'm really getting nervous!"


I sincerely believe that Piedmont has an outstanding chance to do "the Huntingdon" next season. You all do host the GSAC tourney next season - don't you?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 03, 2006, 11:35:25 AM
Quote from: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 11:08:17 AM
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1) I sincerely believe that Piedmont has an outstanding chance to do "the Huntingdon" next season.
2) You all do host the GSAC tourney next season - don't you?

1) From your lips, to God's ear ...

2) I don't know for sure. I think it is at LaGrange next season and we have it the next.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 03, 2006, 12:22:58 PM
i am going to go ahead and say it, I would have loved to play with Raul, but i am going to give my PG Teaun Winton a mad shout out for #1 being a tremendous PG and arguably the best the GSAC has ever seen, he had a 1400, 1500, and 1600 pt scorers on his teams, he knew how to distribute evenly, but the bigger shout out is this, Teaun is graduating this weekend and we are all proud of him for going back and finishing his degree, that is the biggest award any of us ever got for playing in the GSAC, trust that degree is worth a little bit more than a sportsmanship award or a POY award, congrats TT

On to next season Da Scots 42-0 in the GSAC average margin of victory 168 pts

the scots will be week on the perimeter, very very strong in the paint which will make a tough match up, but posts can't get themselves the ball, but there will be plenty of rebounds down there from the scots outside shooting.
I could see 6-2 in the GSAC for the scots next year and for Piedmont, hosting the tournament is always a good thing (mccord miracle), Huntingdon will be much better than 1-7, come on system speaks volume

Raul, you answered your own question, if you hit great shots then you were a ____ shooter?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 02:02:48 PM
Huntingdon's GSAC regular season record the last 4 years are as follows:

2002-03  (1-7)
2003-04  (3-5)
2004-05  (2-6) 
2005-06  (6-2) *GSAC Championship

So with the GSAC POY graduating along with the rest of the Hawks seniors, please tell me how they will be better than (1-7) in the GSAC next season?  It took the Hawks 4 years to get to (6-2) with this year's seniors.  I think it will take another 4 years with Coach Duckworth's incoming recruits to repeat that feat.  IMHO, it takes that long (3-4 years) for a new player to really get accustomed to playing the Princeton system with some degree of comfort. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 03, 2006, 02:48:44 PM
yes i agree but they have to have somebody on the roster, do they not have any rising sophs juniors or seniors who did not play that much this year but who were just waiting their turn?  that will be there strength.   Remember a guy named Josh Tummel, he sat and waited 2 years before he got his chance to shine same with Ben Robison both all GSAC and Tummel the best player in the history of the GSAC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2006, 03:08:33 PM
1. Grubb don't confuse ::) the Murvul system with Huntingdon's Princeton system.  One requires reloading, the other requires rebuilding

2. I don't know about Tummel being the best player in the history of the GSAC, but he would certainly win any GSAC slam dunk contest...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 03, 2006, 04:12:06 PM
Are you saying Tummel was not the best player the GSAC has ever seen, then i appreciate your compliment b/c i know you are deferring that to me, but Tummel's dunking, scoring, rebounding and shot blocking were dominant and he carried what was otherwise an average Randy Lambert team

Back to today, i will agree with you about the reloading and rebuilding, but i have been seeing potential out of huntingdon since duckworth has been there and i know i am crazy, i just don't think they are going to fall off that much, could be wrong but...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 04, 2006, 08:59:16 AM
I agree with you that Coach Duckworth has done an outstanding job at Huntingdon since he has arrived.  Remember I was the first or among the first to say on this board  that Allen White should be POY and Duckworth Coach of the Year.

However, when you run the Princeton system, IMHO you need to rely on a core nucleus of players who are intimately familiar with each other's decision making, passing, moves, cuts, and other tendencies.  It is a very efficient and precise offense with little room for error in its execution.  This year Duckworth's seniors were that "core nucleus" and we all saw them progress during Coach Duckworth's tenure from their freshman year to last season. 

With that said, I think Duckworth would admit that his team didn't make their big jump until they started to improve on the little things.  That didn't occur until late in Allen White and company's junior year (2004-05).  IMHO, it took a little while (a year or two or three) for these Hawks (A. White et. al) to learn how to "read" how the defenders were playing them and then to make the correct play/decision in the Princeton Offense. [Correct me if I'm wrong on that point Mr. White].  As I said, I think it will take a little while for the next core group of Hawks to do the same.  I don't think that is an easy offense to learn or run. 

P.S. I would love to see my Bulldogs run a few more pick and roll plays in their motion offense next season  ;D.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 04, 2006, 11:07:36 AM
As much as it pains me i will say that i agree with you, i am just hoping they are not a contender once every 3 to 4 years, some consistency out of this league would be great, so far it has been consistently dominated by the scots, which i have no problem with

And for all you young guys, when you learn how to read a screen and use it, your career will change
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 04, 2006, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 04, 2006, 11:07:36 AM
As much as it pains me i will say that i agree with you,

Agreeing with the TRUTH (ie wilburt) shouldn't hurt that bad Grubb  :D!


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 04, 2006, 12:13:37 PM
1-7!!!  You're killing me with this!!  I will tell you who is going to be in the paint.  The same old folks.  Mark my words we will not turn the ball over next season.  I am resorting to ancient middle east punishments when it comes practice time next season.  
We have 18 returners.  11 of them are really working and getting better this offseason.  Those that aren't will be refilling my water next season... with a slice of lemon, please.  We are also adding a secret weapon to our staff hopefully.  

Great advice about screen reading.  I am not big fan of pick and rolls unless it is the right people but you can put any two people off the ball and down, up or flare screen and one of them if not both will be open for a shot or at least a situation that puts pressure on defensive help.  The only hard part about basketball is putting the ball in the rim everything else is easy but no one teaches the easy stuff early on so only certain people can move without the ball or give up their body for a neck crackin' screen.  High school teams are sometimes divided into two segments....1. set plays 2. penetrate and penetrate.  When a kid knows 46 set plays he never has to think about how his man is playing him or if the ball can see him after the screen.  Coaches sometimes create robots.  It is easy for me to criticize the team that penetrates until there is no air left in the ball because we fall in that trap way too much.  I really want to balance our penetration and screening out in the future.  Sometimes penetration is magical but it is pretty easy to end up with very poor spacing and force attempts.  

Speaking of high school coaches...The preseason odds just came out and Gatlinburg Pittman is the 3-1 favorite to win it all next year under the second best assistant coach ever to hit the GSAC.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 04, 2006, 01:21:47 PM
Would doubling your projected GSAC record to (2-6) make you feel any better Coach Haynes? Meaning your team would be twice as good as last season  :D ;D :D ;D!

All kidding aside, your last post (about screens, pick and rolls etc.) was very informative and terribly accurate.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 04, 2006, 02:38:02 PM
then we all agree, it does not matter how short and fat you are, if a player can consistently come off of a screen, then they can consistently put the ball in the basket

I think i know who this secret weapon is, the Uzi

This just in from vegas, the odds on GP are now 4.5 to 1
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 05, 2006, 10:00:20 AM
Today is Bobby Golden's Bday, Let the party begin, maybe he will get partied out and start to lose some of his 278 pounds after his bender, but who knows
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 05, 2006, 02:22:58 PM
They have shut down all major buffet places this afternoon in the city of Maryville.. 279... is right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow... big man...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 06, 2006, 08:08:39 PM
Happy Bday Bobby
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 07, 2006, 01:25:50 PM
Nice article on the recruiting work of UT Asst. Coach Tony Jones.  The Vols are here to stay...

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/gvx_vol_basketball/article/0,1406,KNS_19596_4679861,00.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 08, 2006, 08:24:43 AM
Bruce Pearl has almost reached Lambert status in this area and Tony Jones, who is cool as a fan, is a big part of that

Great Article William
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 08, 2006, 11:56:23 AM
We just have to get Tony to attend a Maryville-Fisk game next season, before he takes a Head Coaching job at another D1 school.

Go Vols

Go Bulldogs
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 08, 2006, 03:04:48 PM
I actually talked to him about Fisk one day, i don't think it would be too hard to do, if UT was not playing that night

I did have to let him know that maryville had a superior basketball program though, i tried to be diplomatic, but in the end, The Scots dominate the GSAC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 08, 2006, 03:49:48 PM
saw Bruce Pearl today at Blackberry Farms.  He is sure living the high life.  In other news his son is walking on at the university of tennessee.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 08, 2006, 03:53:58 PM
if he was smart he would become a fighting scot
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 09, 2006, 08:16:35 AM
Some recruiting news for LaGrange football.

http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2006/0504/sports/059.html

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 09, 2006, 09:44:44 AM
when did lagrange get a football team?

Not sure maryville can dominate them in football the way we do in bball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on May 09, 2006, 10:14:38 AM
Grubb,

Why are you doubting the Fighting Scots Football Team. I believe that they have showed a few steps in the positive direction. Maybe, we can even get the Cooper Crazies,who aren't football players to provide the home field advantage that they provide the B-Ball team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 09, 2006, 02:07:46 PM
i am not doubting them, i am just pointing out the obvious, Tony has a couple more years of work before he can reach Randy status, i am all for crowd support, there is nothing better than when Boydson Baird gym rocks out with 400 crazy students, but there is a lot of tradition with bball, football has improved under tony, but they still have a lot of work to do, and the best way to get fan support is to play hard and keep a good attitude which is something that the maryville college basketball team is losing, fans appreciate effort more than winning, fans are the first ones to notice how hard you played, win or lose
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 09, 2006, 04:46:06 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 09, 2006, 09:44:44 AM
when did lagrange get a football team?

October 2004.

http://www.d3football.com/notables.php?date=2004-10-23
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 09, 2006, 09:21:32 PM
Back again with some reports on my new favorite player Alex Bowers.  This kid is a player.  He is smart and can do it all.  When he slams it Boydson will be rocking.  Can't wait for that to happen
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 10, 2006, 07:29:37 AM
News on Murvul football recruit Humberger.

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006605100333
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 10, 2006, 10:41:00 AM
 I heard an Oak Hill recruit was in the Cooper Gym this past week? Good or bad who knows?
  Best two point guards of all time in Da Ville graduate this weekend Teaun Winton and of course yours truly!! haha..jk .. But we both do graduate...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on May 10, 2006, 11:38:35 AM
Congrats Killer! I wish you well in all that you do. Remember, all of the experiences that you had at Maryville will carry you through life. Do not forget to stay in touch.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 10, 2006, 02:35:18 PM
what time is graduation and i will be there with beer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 11, 2006, 07:09:25 AM
Huntingdon women's basketball recruiting news:

http://www.atmoreadvance.com/articles/2006/05/10/sports/sports1.txt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on May 11, 2006, 09:06:40 AM
What's happening on the women's side at Maryville? Coach Bell has signed I think 4 new players. Any word on any of the new recruits and how they might fit in? Nobody talking or posting on the women's board. Anyone got any info excluding the press releases?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 11, 2006, 01:35:55 PM
don't know too much about the individuals, but do know what Dee has to say about he pic in general,

He is excited about them and he feels his recruits will fill the gaps he had this year and what he is losing, he seems real excited about his chances for next year, which normally he is very pesimistic on season outlooks so, take that for what it is worth

By the way here is a famous quote from Dee Bell, "If you want to win, come to maryville"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 11, 2006, 02:14:09 PM
So that's where that quote came from...

Funny how the emphasis is on winning!

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 11, 2006, 04:02:18 PM
Wilburt,
what is your emphasis losing? or is participation the key, b/c if so my YMCA team participates like champions

I love this board when it gets heated up.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 11, 2006, 06:05:22 PM
Grubb did u mean to say YWCA team cause im pretty sure that the fellas on your team dont play like men.  Especially that Watts guy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 12, 2006, 08:07:33 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 11, 2006, 04:02:18 PM
Wilburt,
what is your emphasis losing? or is participation the key, b/c if so my YMCA team participates like champions

I love this board when it gets heated up.


Glad you asked Mr. Grubb.  I adhere to the John Wooden philosophy when it comes to "winning."  He never talked to his teams/players about being better than the next team or winning games (And that man won 88 games in a row at one time). Coach Wooden always talked to his team about being the best that they could be.  That meant executing what they had practiced during the game.

Now I know this is a subtle distinction that many may not get at first glance, but I find it an important one.  Coach Wooden was more concerned with his UCLA teams reaching their full potential year in and year out rather than focusing on other teams.  IMHO, teams that overemphasize winning as their ultimate goal are potentially vulnerable to taking short cuts to achieving that goal.  (Take a look at how many D1 programs are on NCAA probation). I am not by any means suggesting that Maryville has or is doing that.  All I'm saying is that IMHO that is potentially dangerous territory to tread on when winning is THE ONLY GOAL...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 12, 2006, 08:17:16 AM
Some Huntingdon football/baseball recruiting news:

http://www.troymessenger.com/articles/2006/05/12/sports/sports02.txt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 12, 2006, 09:11:49 AM
I completely agree with you wilburt and again i agree with you
You are truly the renaissance man

I think maryville has fallen in that trap and i look at it like dating girls, you can't worry about what they do, you can only worry about yourself and make sure that you have your game on lock

Oh Yeah,
Are you ready for the summer workouts?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 12, 2006, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 12, 2006, 09:11:49 AM
I completely agree with you wilburt and again i agree with you
You are truly the renaissance man

Music to my ears...   I AM THE RENAISSANCE MAN :D ;D :D ;D

Renaissance man
n.
A man who has broad intellectual interests and is accomplished in areas of both the arts and the sciences.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 12, 2006, 04:07:42 PM
I was shooting at the college for about an hour the other day.  When i entered Boydson Baird Q was shooting in there.  He had obviously been in there a long time.  When I left he was still shooting.  That is MC dedication
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 12, 2006, 04:15:26 PM
Grubb I cant wait for summer workouts.  I cant wait for Bobby to treat me like a Krispy Kreme doughnut.  Im so excieted.  Speaking of doughnuts, I think I have gained 25 pounds this spring.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 13, 2006, 09:54:28 PM
How does Bobby treat you like a doughnut ohyeah?  Im kinda confused about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 14, 2006, 01:11:11 PM
Murvul basketball recruiting news:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/257540

Huntingdon baseball recruiting news:

http://www.thewetumpkaherald.com/articles/2006/05/12/sports/sports02.txt

I see that LaGrange will host the GSAC basketball tourney in 2007.  Not quite Atlanta but it will do  :D. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2006, 12:48:57 AM
Does this earthquake (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/sehwb0510a.php) near Sweetwater, TN have anything to do with Bobby eating a doughnut nearby? ??? ;)

It is a long off-season! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 15, 2006, 09:08:07 AM
it has everything to do with Bobby, a few more doughnuts and he is going to be be able to go pound for pound with Big Baby Davis
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 15, 2006, 11:53:04 AM
Pound for Pound the best player coming back - Marquis Patton.

Anybody notice that 3 of the top GSAC guards coming back next year are from Georgia?

Fisk's Marquis Patton
Maryville's Bo Mason
Piedmont's Jake Green
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 15, 2006, 02:49:27 PM
well don't count bo back yet, class attendance helps performance on the court
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 15, 2006, 04:19:16 PM
I saw one of the top 75 players in the history of D3 basketball this weekend, a fellow fighting scot, and he is ready to workout with his alma mater this summer, you will see a new improved fighting scots team next year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on May 15, 2006, 08:14:05 PM
Whats happening with one of the players who I thought would be starting for the Lady Scots, Andrea Plemons. Her name is not even listed on the school's team player website any longer. Is she history?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 16, 2006, 07:57:32 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 15, 2006, 04:19:16 PM
you will see a new improved fighting scots team next year

They will be new but it remains to be seen if they are improved?

GO BULLDOGS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 16, 2006, 08:22:25 AM
Well, we will see, college bball is dominated by guard play and the strength of the MC returning players is not guard play, so we will see. 

Andy Plemmons is my girl, but i don't think she will be back, i know DEE is not planning on having her return, so if she does it will be a bonus
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 17, 2006, 10:33:17 AM
Today's Knoxville paper reports that Matt Parton, an All-State and first-team All-PrepXtra selection from Catholic High School, will continue his basketball career at Division III Transylvania University in Lexington, Ky. 

Parton, a 5-foot-11 point guard, averaged 16 points and 4.1 assists to help guide the Irish to the state tournament in their first season since moving from Division II.

He is the son of former Tennessee basketball player Ralph Parton, who is a Kentucky native.   

How did the "Great Randall" lose this recruit? Doesn't he need a PG?  Or was he the player to be named later in exchange for Monte Calloway coming from Kentucky to Murvul? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 17, 2006, 11:00:11 AM
William,

What happened is that Transy went further in the touney then Maryville did.  That is what Im betting it boiled down to.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2006, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on May 17, 2006, 11:00:11 AM
William,

What happened is that Transy went further in the touney then Maryville did.  That is what Im betting it boiled down to.

:D :D :D :D :D Transy convincingly beat the team that convincingly beat MURVUL. :D ;) :) ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 17, 2006, 12:20:53 PM
Funny Ralph.   Ohyeah, it had to be more than just going farther in the NCAA tourney...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 17, 2006, 04:13:06 PM
actually renaissance man i have you on this one,
parton, who i have known for 4 years now and am friends with his dad Ralph, wanted to get away to go to school, he did not want to go to school 15 minutes from home, he narrowed it down to Maryville, Transy, and hanover,  in the end he liked Transy b/c he had family close to lexington and his father is from KY.  he is a great kid and will fit in great up there.  he was very impressed with the athletic facilities at transy as well, he was sad to have to tell Randy he chose transy, but a man has to do what a man has to do,  he will do great up there but probably never beat the scots
Ah decisions, decisions
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 17, 2006, 04:46:08 PM
Mr. "100 Watts" Grubb, that answer makes more sense than ohyeah's. 

Remember Mr. Grubb -> Both Fisk and Transy split with Maryville during the regular season last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on May 17, 2006, 06:56:16 PM
When will the 06-07 schedule be ready?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 18, 2006, 07:52:51 AM
LaGrange football recruiting news:

http://www.moultrieobserver.com/sports/local_story_137221730.html

Huntingdon basketball recruiting news.  Heath Miller (6-3) joining the Hawks:

http://www.sandmountainreporter.com/story.lasso?ewcd=6de1bbf96db6a1b8
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 18, 2006, 08:00:30 AM
Birmingham Southern thinking of moving up from D1 to D3.  Check out article below.  They mention possibly joining the SCAC.  Get on it GSAC people...

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1147944113152100.xml&coll=2
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 18, 2006, 02:27:18 PM
got a funny story about BSC, there is a kid out of knox central who is going to BSC b/c they are D1 and he was going to walk on for the 1st year and guaranteed a scholarship for the next 3 years, you know the story, well, that scholarship looks like it is in jeopardy now, good job William
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 18, 2006, 02:27:49 PM
BSC would be a great fit for the gsac, even more so if stillman were still in the gsac
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 19, 2006, 08:45:41 AM
Matt, if I were the BSC president I'd join (or try to join) the SCAC in a minute over the GSAC. 

1. More sports are offered in the SCAC than the GSAC.
2. BSC's enrollment is between 1,000 and 1,500.
3. BSC has a Phi Beta Kappa chapter like all of the SCAC schools except Oglethorpe.  Only Agnes Scott, Fisk, and Spelman have PBK chapters in the GSAC.
4. BSC has a solid endowment that could handle the travel to Texas and Colorado each year.

5. Check out this article on athletic costs.  It mentions Huntingdon's move to D3. 

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1147944078152100.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

With that said, given the expected growth of the SCAC, how can Oglethorpe be competitive (financially and athletically) in the SCAC in the next few years?  If I were the Oglethorpe President, I'd try to jump to the GSAC - ASAP before they (the SCAC presidents) break my budget with all this proposed expansion. To me it just seems like a better fit.

Random Thoughts:

After reading the article yesterday about Huntingdon recruit Heath Miller, I am further convinced that HC will win only 1-2 GSAC games (if that) next season for the reasons I stated earlier about the difficulty of adjusting to Coach Duckworth's Princeton system. 

Still not impressed with the overall quality of Maryville recruits thus far.  Piedmont is looking a lot better to me for next season, and so is Coach Haynes' Panthers.  I may have judged LaGrange a bit prematurely...

Fisk should be back next season reloaded with much less "attitude" than this past season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 19, 2006, 09:15:39 AM
William,
i firmly agree BSC would be a better fit in the SCAC, i am just hoping that as the SCAC keeps growing maybe someone will defect to the gsac, maybe Centre or Oglethorpe, but that is just b/c i want to see the gsac grow, i am biased.

Now for recruits, trust me, don't worry about Lambert, he will be fine8 straight second rounds or better don't just happen, some of those were luck, like when i started with a victory over Rose Hulman, there are a lot of distinguished names on that list of NCAA tourney victories, the man knows how to win, and he has had a lot of all south performers over the past 8 seasons, he will be ready


i will say i have not seen any results on the perimeter, got one PG from Anderson County who will be good, but not an instant impact player, he will need to learn the system like all great maryville players do.

i don't disagree with your opinion on HC, i am just hoping for the best for them
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 19, 2006, 09:20:51 AM
I hoping for the best for HC too Matt, cause I personally like Coach Duckworth.  I just hate the Princeton system he uses...

The GSAC will expand it's just a matter of time Matt.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 19, 2006, 10:02:51 AM
Detective Wilburt, good job on the BSC stuff.  I wonder what is going on at other NAIA to DI places currently.  I am willing to bet that BSC is not the only one in a little trouble.  This shows that much more that what you think, wins and losses don't really matter.  BSC is very competitive in all sports that I am aware of, but that is not adding to the endowment or paying off the nicest fraternity row I have ever seen, which they added about the same time they went DI.  When's the last time somebody went DI to DIII? 
Side note: They have a bus for basketball trips that is like a Kenny Rogers tour bus.  Very nice!

Graduation weekend here in LaGrange.  It will be a very proud moment in many people's lives to see Corie Jackson walk across that stage.  I hope they have an elveated platform for him to stand on so everyone can see his short butt.  Corie recieved a very special award a couple of weeks ago.  We give out an Eagle Award to the senior athlete that has soared above and defeated adversity in their persuit of athletic and academic achievement.  I guess we cannot call it the Panther award because Panthers don't soar above stuff they attack and claw things to death and that is not a pleasant picture to tie into an award.  Either way, he was very, very deserving and very moved.  He has a job already.  He is in management training for Waffle House.  He should have his own restaurant this summer so if any of you posters are in Columbus, GA stop in and see him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2006, 10:20:13 AM
Wilburt, I appreciate your thoughts on Oglethorpe being edged out of the SCAC. However, BSC would give the SCAC a 12th member, permitting the split into divisions. That would help with classroom time absences and perhaps help with the budget.

Doesn't the SCAC have large neutral site "crossover" tourneys for Volleyball and Soccer?

You know I am sympathetic to the GSAC getting to Pool A status, so we can follow this closely.

As for the last D1 school to move up to D3, I cannot remember who that would be.  Maybe Pat or someone will have an answer.

The BSC move is discussed on the Daily Dose blog on the front page of D3Hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 19, 2006, 10:52:26 AM
Ralph and coachwgh:

Without having the NCAA FB Yearbook in front of me, I'd venture to say the last schools to go up from DI to DIII were probably the era of Dayton (1977 first in DIII), Drake, Villanova, Valpo, etc., although as we know they are now DI-AA non-scholarship.  As you know, some of those types of schools went to DII after dropping from DI (or temporarily discontinuing the fb program) before being involved in the reclassification status.  I realize/assume you were probably asking about/referring to schools that have permanently stayed up at DIII currently after leaving DI, however, but just thought I'd briefly mention that.  Obviously, the NCAA FB Yearbook has a section with this specific info - again, I didn't have a chance to check my copy regarding at the moment.   

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 19, 2006, 10:56:03 AM
Addendum/clarification:
Of course, also, we're talking about the "hybrid" situation regarding the above i.e. their football programs being DIII for awhile vs. all the other sports of those schools being DI before the mandated re-classification.  Again, you are probably talking about a school changing from DI to DIII permanently in all sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 19, 2006, 11:10:06 AM
What's this about Bruce Pearl talking to Randy Lambert about joining the UT staff in the Knoxville paper today?

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/basketball/article/0,1406,KNS_629_4711516,00.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 19, 2006, 11:28:32 AM
William,

That was one story I was really hoping you wouldnt find.  I dont know why I doubted you though. 

Pearl said he is concerned about recruiting, but the man can recruit with no money, just imagine what he can do with money.  Who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 19, 2006, 11:38:59 AM
How dare you doubt me and my great abilities  :D ;D :D ;D.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 19, 2006, 01:36:57 PM
lambert is just what that program needs, someone who can talk kids into making the right decisions
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 19, 2006, 02:15:55 PM
It is not Richard Pryor Old Lion but this is still a funny reference about SEC basketball.

On the TNT post-game after Dallas kicked San Antonio in game 2 of their series, Charles Barkley said he offered Dirk Nowitzki any amount of money Nowitzki wanted to play for Auburn prior to Nowitzki turning pro several years ago. Another interviewer asked if that was legal. Barkley stated that he was from the SEC and "if you ain't cheating you ain't trying" in the SEC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 19, 2006, 04:27:28 PM
Lets just say that Lambert gets the job.  Beatty is gone, who is the hire??????  I dont want to think about what would happen to that program if he left.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 19, 2006, 11:22:30 PM
if you guys are talking about randy getting the assistant job at UT than i think that D Bell would become the mens coach or they could go outside but D is qualified and is a former player
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 19, 2006, 11:27:41 PM
I think we should congratulate randy whether he gets the job or not.  He is a teacher and a motivater.  He knows when to have fun and when to be a tough guy.  I love Randy!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 20, 2006, 01:42:07 PM
LaGrange, Piedmont and Huntingdon ready to leave the GSAC to join USAC again >:(

http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=233477

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=187


Perhaps Fisk should go D2 like Stillman and rejoin the SIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 21, 2006, 02:08:33 PM
On second thought how about Fisk rejoining the SCAC since they plan on going to 2 divisions?

It shouldn't be a problem. The President of Rhodes College is a member of the Fisk Board of Trustees, and Fisk has been a longstanding member of an academic consortium comprised of Rhodes, Sewanee, Birmingham Southern, Millsaps and Vanderbilt.   ;)   The SCAC presidents approved Fisk for membership once before so it shouldn't be much of problem the second time around.   Besides Rose Hulman left the SCAC and got to come back...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 21, 2006, 02:13:08 PM
Me thinks Lambert is gone to UT unless Grubb et al. come up with a fundraiser to keep him at Murvul...

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/258158
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 21, 2006, 02:51:19 PM
Latest on BSC's flirtation with the SCAC...

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/kscarbinsky.ssf?/base/sports/1148203556219580.xml&coll=2
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2006, 04:43:09 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 21, 2006, 02:08:33 PM
On second thought how about Fisk rejoining the SCAC since they plan on going to 2 divisions?

It shouldn't be a problem. The President of Rhodes College is a member of the Fisk Board of Trustees, and Fisk has been a longstanding member of an academic consortium comprised of Rhodes, Sewanee, Birmingham Southern, Millsaps and Vanderbilt.   ;)   The SCAC presidents approved Fisk for membership once before so it shouldn't be much of problem the second time around.   Besides Rose Hulman left the SCAC and got to come back...

You make a strong  case Wilburt.

Could the Fisk budget handle the travel in a 2-division SCAC?

You have a Phi Beta Kappa Chapter, Delta of Tennessee, 1953.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 21, 2006, 05:04:08 PM
Why did Fisk leave the SCAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 22, 2006, 07:58:23 AM
I don't know for certain why Fisk  left the SCAC.  My guess is that Fisk left after the Texas schools joined the SCAC.  That's a big hit for a travel budget for a school with a modest athletic budget.

Ralph I really don't know if Fisk could handle the travel with the 2 division SCAC?  President Hazel O'Leary has done an outstanding job with fundraising so far during her tenure as Fisk President, so we will see.  I can't speak for Dr. Glover but I think he is reasonably content being in the GSAC thus far - if certain schools (who shall remain nameless) decide not to jump ship.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 22, 2006, 09:36:52 AM
i think a lot of jumping ship will take place if lambert leaves b/c if maryville isn't the same old maryville, then the gsac loses alot, bball is the premier sport in the gsac, between mens and womens bball, and lambert is a very popular figure in the gsac

Wilburt i was in nashville this weekend and i saw a fisk player out and about and he said he played for fisk after transferring from Georgia state, i told him who i  was and he had no clue, is there no pride in that program when a man tells you he is a fighting scot a person is to respect that
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 22, 2006, 09:50:36 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 22, 2006, 09:36:52 AM
Wilburt i was in nashville this weekend and i saw a fisk player out and about and he said he played for fisk after transferring from Georgia state, i told him who i  was and he had no clue, is there no pride in that program when a man tells you he is a fighting scot a person is to respect that

Sounds like you were more offended that he didn't know you rather than any lack of pride in the Bulldog program.  Sorry to offend you but Fighting Scots don't get much respect in Nashville... 

As an aside, this news about Lambert sure must have a negative affect on Murvul recruiting...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 22, 2006, 09:55:16 AM
That really shows the amount of respect Lambert gets and deserves.  I am very happy for him.  

It is funny how all the people around the BSC situation talk about DIII as if it is like catching the plague.  And they probably don't even know that it would take them about 20 years to get tournament eligible with the current process.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 22, 2006, 11:02:59 AM
wilburt,
it is not everyday you get the honor to meet a fighting scot in person and you bulldogs should feel blessed when you do

Back to da trash talking, scots for life

BSC could not handle D3, they have more issues than alabama women
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 22, 2006, 02:02:59 PM
Im not sure Lambert would take the job if offered.  Sure it is double the pay, but it is double the work as well.  He loves to watch his son play high school basketball and if he took this job that wouldnt be possible.  Im sure Randy would like to elevate his coaching but when your interview is four hours long of questions like show me your motion offense and how would you get chris lofton the ball, I'm not sure if that is for my man Randy. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 22, 2006, 02:04:26 PM
Congrats to Raul, Monte, Greg, Big E, teyon winton, and most of all Chaney on graduating.  Good job former MC ballers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 22, 2006, 02:05:27 PM
Also to the great Hern dog.  You are the man.  Hugger of all things green, one of the all time greats in MC history.  Gotta give my props to my man Joshua Herndon.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 22, 2006, 02:11:18 PM
In answer to a previous question, the University of Chicago was a founding member of the Big Ten Conference then dropped out in 1946 and applied for D3 status in 1947. U of C finally got approved for D3 status in 1974.  Well the timeline may be off a little but you get the picture...    

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/history-overview.htm





Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2006, 02:56:04 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 22, 2006, 02:11:18 PM
In answer to a previous question, the University of Chicago was a founding member of the Big Ten Conference then dropped out in 1946 and applied for D3 status in 1947. U of C finally got approved for D3 status in 1974.  Well the timeline may be off a little but you get the picture...    

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/history-overview.htm

There is one gross inaccuracy in that web page.

The first women's intercollegiate basketball team to fly was the Flying Queens from Wayland Baptist College beginning with a couple of charters in 1948 by Hutcherson Flying Service.

The Flying Queens have won over 1300 games.

www.wbu.edu
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 22, 2006, 03:25:36 PM
Wow, it got deep in here, you guys need to go on jeopardy, so you all can answer my question?

back to the real subject, those of us in knoxville/maryville feel as if lambert is already gone.  Even though it is not a done deal yet.  How many D3 coaches can you name who have gone to the big time in the past 10 years.

I will say the power conferences  ie Big ten, SEC, ACC, and CAA (yes, i know but let's give GMU their credit) and this way i can reference Tony Shaver from Hampden Sydney.
The D3 legend himself Bo Ryan, let's call it wisconsin legend Bo Ryan

Can you guys name any other?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 23, 2006, 01:56:15 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 22, 2006, 03:25:36 PM
I will say the power conferences ie Big ten, SEC, ACC, and CAA (yes, i know but let's give GMU their credit) and this way i can reference Tony Shaver from Hampden Sydney.
The D3 legend himself Bo Ryan, let's call it wisconsin legend Bo Ryan

Can you guys name any other?

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?date=2006-04-03
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 23, 2006, 07:41:59 AM
Huntingdon Hawks women's basketball recruiting news:

http://www.atmoreadvance.com/articles/2006/05/22/sports/sports2.txt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 23, 2006, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 23, 2006, 07:41:59 AM
Huntingdon Hawks women's basketball recruiting news:

http://www.atmoreadvance.com/articles/2006/05/22/sports/sports2.txt

She's already been written about and is on the list:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=179
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=185
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 23, 2006, 03:45:10 PM
Sorry Pat.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 23, 2006, 03:58:03 PM
all of you huntingdon hawks need to enjoy a fresh hot Papa John's Pizza from your local neighborhood Papa John's restaurant in the greater montgomery area and make sure you pay full price, there are 6 of them in montgomery
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 24, 2006, 11:26:23 AM
any of you murvul insiders got any news on new recruits and what will happen to the recruits if lambert leaves

I will tell you the second part of that question, Dee bell will hit the ground runnin'
Dee is a stud and he would be more than capable of carrying the flame and if the college did not move him to the men's job they would be making a terrible mistake.

"If you want to win come to maryville"- Dee Bell in 1997
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 24, 2006, 12:22:04 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 24, 2006, 11:26:23 AM
"If you want to win come to maryville"- Dee Bell in 1997

I wonder how many other Division III schools have similar slogans with an emphasis on winning?  I see clearly now why the ODAC didn't want Maryville back, and the SCAC just plain didn't want Maryville.  Little academic pride?  Why can't he say if you want to be a Fullbright or Rhodes Scholar come to Maryville?  Or if you want to go to an Ivy League grad school come to Maryville?   Yes, I'm being provocative again ....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 24, 2006, 01:16:42 PM
wilburt i question your priorities again

How many good scholars does Vanderbilt produce?

okay, now how many of them are basketball players?
Good point grubby one, academics have their place, just not on the basketball team

Oh and by the way congrats to my teammate Timmy "Mule" Leroy, M.D. class of 00, who is now doing his residency
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on May 24, 2006, 05:32:56 PM
I'm not so sure Dee Bell would leave his girls for the mens position. He is very excited about his team for next year, those returning and his new recruits. He sees a chance to make a run in the NCAA tournament. Not so sure he would give that up as fast as you think.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 25, 2006, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 24, 2006, 01:16:42 PM
wilburt i question your priorities again

How many good scholars does Vanderbilt produce?

okay, now how many of them are basketball players?
Good point grubby one, academics have their place, just not on the basketball team

I can't speak for Vanderbilt.  But I know that over the decades many academic achievers have been athletes at Fisk - including myself.  For example:

- Fisk's All-Time leading scorer and former basketball MVP went on to Harvard Law School and now is Chair of the Fisk Board of Trustees. 

- Fisk's AD and Head Basketball Coach Larry Glover '79 has an earned doctorate in education. One of the few colleges coaches in the nation with an earned doctorate. 

- One of Coach Glover's former players who graduated in 2000 was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate who went on to Emory Law School and now is with a big time Atlanta law firm.

- In 2005 another guy graduated from Fisk with Phi Beta Kappa honors, a 3.8 GPA and was a three-time Division III All-American in Track and Field.  As I understand it his name was submitted for Rhodes Scholarship consideration.  I could go on and on Grubb...

Maybe academics aren't a priority at Maryville but they certainly are at Fisk.  The more I keep thinking about it maybe the GSAC isn't such an academic fit for Fisk like the SCAC was.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 25, 2006, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: wilburtquote]
Maybe academics aren't a priority at Maryville but they certainly are at Fisk.  The more I keep thinking about it maybe the GSAC isn't such an academic fit for Fisk like the SCAC was.
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Thats funny.  I dont know of many Maryville Graduates that arent successful.  But hey, no American Idols at MC...how many classes does that take?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 25, 2006, 11:28:52 AM
Must not be any talent at MC like there is at Fisk to make the Top 10 on American Idol.  That's my guess  ;) ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 25, 2006, 03:35:03 PM
maybe that is why the fisk kids acted with such class after they finally beat maryville, they read about it, in a book, how to handle success by randy lambert

I do know MC is listed in the top 10 of southern liberal arts colleges every year by US news, maybe MC buys that title, i don't know, but to be such a good school with such esteemed alums, can't they afford to fix their gym?  I know plenty of MC alums who could throw out 10k for new lights, should we start taking up alumni donations for the fisk gym and  this is for you wilburt
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/news/news.asp?id=678&pgID=731

i posted this article for you and b/c you are the king of it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 25, 2006, 03:54:56 PM
You ever thought that they just reflected what they saw from some of the Maryville fans Grubb.

All you guys talk about it is the gym.  So what's new?  I understand why now because that seems to be where you guys have spent most of your time at Maryville rather than the library. 

Thanks for posting the article Grubb. It's quite nice because Maryville needs some culture.

And by the way - If I am the King of it you are certainly on my right side as the Queen of it  :D ;D :D ;D!

Keep it up guys I'm having fun... 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2006, 04:06:32 PM
Nice Maryville Civic Arts Center!

Congratulations!  $20M plus land is a considerable investment!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 26, 2006, 09:05:44 AM
first of all i am a princess, not a queen
second of all, Maryville has a library?????????
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 26, 2006, 10:57:15 AM
Pat,

I was reading your recruiting blog on the main page.  Blake Derrick from McMinn Central High School is not going to Maryville.  He backed out on his committment and is going to d2 doormat Lincoln Memorial.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 30, 2006, 12:05:58 PM
The Killer is back and graduated...  I see the message board has heated up a little since I last posted but hey thats the GSAC for you..
  Well Coach Lambert did not get the UT job but hey thats life.. He will be able to see his son Wes play and possibly play at Da Ville. I dont think Coach got to many more years left in him especially with the clowns he has had to coach this past year..
  Hands down if everyone comes back and the recruits who had originally signed come the Scots should have a successfulu season.. But that is a lot of IFS..
  Bo, Bobby, and Bradley are great offensive players but we know were just offense gets you in the tournament run sent home in the second round...
  Well I hope everyone is well.. Remember these words my fellow Wilburt LaGrange if they make all the right moves can I will be the team to beat in the GSAC.. Trust me!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 30, 2006, 12:27:47 PM
I hope everyone is well and had a safe weekend, i.e. wilburt, i am glad we got to keep Randall, does this mean that the killer is now at LC?????
I think the scots will have some good summer workouts, i will go to one soon and let you all know the attitude in the air.

Killer i am going to Miami soon, you will have to be my tour guide
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 30, 2006, 12:38:38 PM
Killer is currently working for General Motor Company in its Commercial Leasing Department and is not at LC MR.Watts...
  You better be careful down at the MIA... You need a tan, have fun!! Holla at me whenever you get a chance..
Killer wants to Coach and is interested in any job openings... Might see me back with LScots again.. Who knows???
  But the Killa was born to play and coach especially on the men's side..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 31, 2006, 09:52:57 AM
I havent been on here in a while but I hope everyone knows that Lambert didnt get the job.  He is coming back to MC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 31, 2006, 10:26:57 PM
I saw Bobby outside of subs and such yesterday.  I am not kidding about this.  He had a footlong in one hand and a drink in the other.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 01, 2006, 09:33:33 AM
If Bobby dont watch it he might be at 290 at the start of conditioning!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 01, 2006, 03:13:41 PM
oh he will watch what he eats, he will stare it down and dominate it

We are glad to have lambert for good, he is an okay guy

The grubby one will be in miami soon, maybe the grubby one and matt grubb can get together and rock out
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 01, 2006, 04:23:25 PM
you will probably see Andy Chaney down there... He has migrated to the MIA
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 01, 2006, 04:26:35 PM
I bet south beach has been on fire since he got there,
Do you think he is dominating the latin women or is he behaving very presidential?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on June 01, 2006, 04:44:50 PM
GSAC Women side.....no comments!!!!!!!

Was wondering if Coach Bell signed the point guard he was trying to get out of Florida?

Anyone knows?

Thank you!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 07:44:41 AM
So Lambert's mad with Dr. Glover and now he wants to kick Fisk out of the GSAC.  Randall Lambert is a racist and has the nerve to hide behind his "newly found" concern for Fisk's athletic budget?  Come on Lambert I'm no fool... 

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/259189


Maryville is a D3 school with a D1 attitude, while Birmingham Southern is a D1 school with a D3 attitude.  Go figure...

Under the GSAC Constitution it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a school.  That means 6 out of the 8 schools!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 08:01:37 AM
Wilburt,
Why are you playing the race card so early in the game? Apparently you read a different article than the one that I read. What I drew from reading that article is that- (1) Fisk has not been able to field competitive athletic teams over the last few years- It was sad to see the records of their athletic teams last year. (2) That Fisk is not making an effort to fund their teams with at least enough money to try to be competitive in this league.
By the way- I have heard that Fisk has showed up at a GSAC contest and not even had enough players to field a team, or have chosen to not show up at all and forfeit the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 08:09:05 AM
Don't insult my intelligence by hiding behind that. We both know the real deal!  Six going on seven years into the GSAC and now all of a sudden everyone is concerned about Fisk's athletic department.  I call them as I see them Highlander and don't insult my intelligence again...  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 08:29:44 AM
Hey Wilburt,
Do not get short with me. I am not trying to insult your intelligence, yet maybe if you would stop being so defensive you would realize that I was trying to have a civil conversation with you. Earlier you had replied that all Maryville cared about was winning, yet to me it seems as if  you- (1) Only care about Fisk athletics winning againest Maryville in men's B- ball and (2) That maybe Fisk as a school doesn't care if their athletic programs are successful i.e. Not providing with the necessary funds to compete at a competitive level with the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 02, 2006, 08:35:50 AM
Wilburt,
 A man of such wit should not be acting like this. The facts are the facts its that simple. Fisk has been given more than enough time to make all GSAC participating teams catch up to teh erst of teh GSAC. The problem is besides your Men's basketball team no other team is even competitive. You lose almost every soccer,volleyball, baseball game every year by large margins. Now you might tell me well we can't get the players the others school get but its fair game for everybody since no Athletic scholarships are given out. At any other program in the country most of the athletic department at Fisk would have been fired solely based on performance.
 You might think Randy is racist I for one don't but put yourself in the shoes of all those athletic directors throughout the conference who have to make all types of arrangements once these teams can't make it to matches or games because of lack of competitors. Money is lost!!
 Wilburt your a great guy but don't pull the race card on this. If it was Piedmont Randy would say and try to do the same things.
 Well I hope all this gets resolved because in the end its all about the student-athletes!

p.s. Highlander My recruit from Miami is almost in. Just waiting on some paperwork. She will be the Freshman of the Year in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 08:42:26 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 02, 2006, 08:35:50 AM
At any other program in the country most of the athletic department at Fisk would have been fired solely based on performance.
 

Enough said...   Sounds like a D1 attitude to me fellas!

I don't recall these problems when we were in the SCAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 02, 2006, 09:13:29 AM
its not a DIV I attitude its life, reality whatever you choose to call it. Sorry Wilburt... Its not about wins and losses its about competition... Being competitive is what its all about.. Those programs I stated don't even compete they just show up...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 02, 2006, 09:45:20 AM
Wilburt,
not racist, maybe a big time attitude, i guarantee whether in the same conference or not, the rivalry between MC and FU in men's bball will continue, do they fit as conference schools maybe/maybe not, but you sound like a bitter xgirlfriend throwing out the race card.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2006, 09:49:22 AM
Quote from: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 08:09:05 AM
now all of a sudden

Why do you assume that it's now all of a sudden? I've been hearing this for almost a year, and if that's the case, it's probably been discussued much longer than that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 10:09:19 AM
To me it is not necessarily about whether Lambert is right or not.  The way he is/has handling this IMHO leaves a lot to be desired and that is what I am upset about (in addition to some other things GSAC member schools have alleged or done).

I know 100% of you all disagree with me and you can or maybe have called me all sorts of names. So be it. I can live with that.  But I feel strongly that this is not the way to resolve the issue and I still stand by my earlier comments about Lambert.  I refuse to believe that race is not a latent factor behind all of this, despite what you guys say.

Pat are you going to do the Lambert and kick me off the GSAC Board ???   

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2006, 10:11:44 AM
Only if you keep deleting your posts and starting over like you did on that one. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 10:14:37 AM
Now I can't even change my mind huh Pat? :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2006, 10:21:16 AM
You're giving GSAC schools a hard time for doing so, aren't you?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 02, 2006, 10:22:53 AM
Man of Wit aka Wilburt,
  What you are stating is that Lambert wants Fisk out of the GSAC because the are a black school??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 10:25:03 AM
Wilburt,
I know that I haven't called you any type of name. I just have a few questions. How do you feel that Lambert is doing a poor job in regards to this situation? Is it because he chose to speak to the local newspaper, which does a good job reporting on Maryville College ahtletics, or is it because you feel slighted that Fisk doesn't get enough press in the Metro area? During B-ball season everyone, including yourself, talked at lenght on how having two teams in the tourney would help the conference gain some much needed respect nationally. Mavbe the conference feels that Fisk's performances in their other athletics is keeping the GSAC from gaining respect nationally in all of the sports that the conference fields. Why is it sooo bad to want to become a conference that is competitive on a national level in all of the sports? With the records of Fisk's other athletic teams I feel that it just can't happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 02, 2006, 10:27:16 AM
Highlander your the man!! Well said..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 02, 2006, 10:35:53 AM
let's get back to a recurring theme, what about FU's facilities?  they directly reflect their athletic budget which is a key component of the actual argument from the newspaper article
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 10:36:25 AM
Thanks Killa, I gained all my wisdom from spending all of the winter months making sure my guys did their flex work and conditioning in the gyms while you all were practicing b-ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 10:41:40 AM
Killa- great news about the recriut from Miami. My significant other and I love to watch the Lady Scots. It is enjoyable to watch the game be played at such a fast tempo, and to the intensity that the girls play and the way they are coached. I know that you feel like your heart is with the men, but don't sell yourself short on the women's side. Besides who else could be a better mentor than the great coach and person- Dee Bell?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 10:54:15 AM
Let me address some of Highlander's points. 

1. I would not have spoken to the local paper about inhouse GSAC issues whether it was the Tennessean, the Daily Times or USA Today.  That is neither here nor there...

2. It seems to me that Lambert is head strong to kick Fisk out rather than addressing the problems.

3. Addressing the problem to me would be proposing a possible solution like this.  Put Fisk on a timetable to increase its athletic budget.  For example for the 2006-07 year require a budget of at least $300,000 and incrementally increase it $50,000 or $75,000 or so each year until you get to the desired goal.  I don't know whether that has been proposed or not.  Seems to me a convenient solution if the athletic budget is the "real issue" here.  But I don't think that it is... 

4.  Now if you think Fisk is keeping the GSAC from gaining national respect in other sports please be more specific as to why.  That 's a vague comment...

I do think this discussion is healthy.  It is about time we talked about the elephant in the middle of the room and express what we really feel rather than hide behind euphemistic talk.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 11:21:13 AM
Why not speak with the local media, especially when this decision could seriously put in doubt the chance of gaining AQ status for the women sports? Also, how do we know that Fisk has not already been put on a timetable, and that the time is running out? In regards to the other sports, when there is no AQ it certainly does not help the conference champion or any others,in regards to QOWI, that might be seeking to gain entry into postseason play when thay have pummeled the teams that Fisk has fielded the past several years. Also, the conference cannot be viewed with respect nationally when there is a team that has not produced wins, much less even been competitive with the rest of the teams in the conference. Similiar to the early years of the GSAC men's basketball, when Maryville dominated. This caused everyone to climb to that level in man's b-ball, and it has made so much better. Why can Fisk decide to compete with Maryville and the rest of the conference in men's b-ball, yet it cannot or will not step up and become competitive in the rest of sports that Fisk fields?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2006, 11:31:44 AM
Quote from: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 10:54:15 AM
Let me address some of Highlander's points. 

1. I would not have spoken to the local paper about inhouse GSAC issues whether it was the Tennessean, the Daily Times or USA Today.  That is neither here nor there...

2. It seems to me that Lambert is head strong to kick Fisk out rather than addressing the problems.

3. Addressing the problem to me would be proposing a possible solution like this.  Put Fisk on a timetable to increase its athletic budget.  For example for the 2006-07 year require a budget of at least $300,000 and incrementally increase it $50,000 or $75,000 or so each year until you get to the desired goal.  I don't know whether that has been proposed or not.  Seems to me a convenient solution if the athletic budget is the "real issue" here.  But I don't think that it is... 

4.  Now if you think Fisk is keeping the GSAC from gaining national respect in other sports please be more specific as to why.  That 's a vague comment...

I do think this discussion is healthy.  It is about time we talked about the elephant in the middle of the room and express what we really feel rather than hide behind euphemistic talk.

Wilburt, if I may interject from the outside,

on addressing the problem,

the investments in the programs across the GSAC are like to be at the cost of inflation at the least, $50,000 on $1M from here on out.

Let's remediate the problem over a 5-year schedule, so that Fisk's investment is "no worse" than "tied for 4th" in the conference in 2010-11.  Piedmont spends 5% more per year. $680,000 becomes roughly $860,000.

Fisk has to add nearly $120,000 per year for each of five years and then sustain that ad infinitum.  If Piedmont adds football, then so does Fisk, over and above the $860,000..

With that level of commitment in cold hard cash, facilities, coaching both number and quality, admin people, and sports added at competitive levels, then Fisk has addressed every objective criteria in the room.  If the elephant goes away, good.

If it is "sportsmanship", then there is something different to address.  Now I personally despise any overt "celebration", taunting or similar acitvity, but that is another discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 12:00:20 PM
Ralph you are talking solutions and I like that. 

Highlander speaking to the media is a minor issue with me, but let me state again.  How has Fisk's performance impeded the GSAC?  In order for me to accept your generalizations please point to me (in sufficient detail) where Fisk's QOWI has impeded the other GSAC teams from receiving Pool B bids in the other sports.  Otherwise I am inclined to believe it is just a matter of perception/conjecture on your part and others. 

We don't know if a timetable has been proposed or not but Lambert certainly hasn't or didn't discuss in the papers. Why is that?  Likely because there wasn't one.  Again if you all believe it is just a matter of Fisk increasing its athletic budget then the proposal or some variation of it is the solution to me and we can end this discussion.

Again I ask you all is this "really about" the athletic budget and the overall performance of Fisk's athletic teams or is it something else.  Let's get REAL here people... 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2006, 12:23:22 PM
Since nobody publishes QOWI for the other sports in which Fisk participates (other than what we do with women's basketball) your demand for specifics can't be answered.

But you know that, otherwise I'm sure you wouldn't have asked.

Let's be honest -- if every time someone in the league plays Fisk it puts an 8- or 9-point game on their playoff resumes, it HAS to drag the QOWI of contenders down. This is not rocket science.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 12:50:14 PM
Wilburt,
Being a man of knowledge, you should know that it takes more than just increasing your athletic budget to be competitive. With that you must also have quality coaches, facilities, support from admin, etc...  Do honestly believe or think that Fisk is prepared to take a proactive role in transforming their athletic dept. in a positive manner? To me this is not at all about getting rid of Fisk, because it is Fisk, this is about doing whats best for the conference. With that being said, isn't what is best for the conference to enable our Student- Athletes to be able to perform to the best of their ability? I am just questioning once again, if Fisk can step up to the plate in men's b-ball then Why can't they in the other sports?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on June 02, 2006, 12:57:13 PM
Wilburt calling Lambert a racist is funny.  Maybe Glover is a racist for not having more white people on his team.  I have seen one, so dont tell me they cant get in. 

Wilburt whining about the SCAC...go back, we dont care. 

Wilburt being a man of wisdom and talking about academics at Fisk must mean he makes a lot of money.  Why dont you pony up some funds then?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 01:18:44 PM
Honestly Pat I did not know that the other sports did not publish the QOWI.  I thought that was readily available information.   But that aside, and I know it is not rocket science, but seriously give me a specific example where a GSAC team has been close to getting a Pool B Bid but did not get one because they believe Fisk hindered them.    

Highlander, I'll answer your question another way since you keep repeating your same question. Wouldn't increasing the athletic budget be the first quantitative and measurable step in transforming the athletic department to be competitive? Do you desire a solution or do you do want to harp on the problem?  Or have you shifted the discussion to more subjective factors like determining the "commitment and support" from the Fisk administration?  If so we are sliding down a slippery slope here?  

Again I say if that is the issue, then we can end this discussion.  What more evidence do you need of commitment than a commitment from the administration to put the financial resources behind the school's athletics?   But since you keep repeating that point about Fisk's competitiveness it may be a smoke screen for another issue.  

And Oh yeah, I won't tell you my salary but I have given Fisk several thousands of dollars since I graduated.   BTW you are too funny... Please post again soon.  I mean that!  I hope I answered your question. ;)  I wish we were still in the SCAC like when I was in school, where there are no Lamberts around.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on June 02, 2006, 01:25:38 PM
I don't know that calling someone a racist in a public forum is what I would consider "funny."  I call that a serious allegation, and that is not a word that should be thrown around freely.  Wilburt, I have seen many of your posts throughout the months and years, and I've always had the utmost respect for you.  That is why I am disappointed that this discussion as taken the turn that it has.  You obviously love your university, which I admire.  But I think you are being a bit irrational here in stating that Lambert is a racist.  Do you know the man?  How many conversations have you had with him?  If all the other GSAC schools were historically black institutions, and Lambert were black, would you be making these statements?  If not, you are judging Lambert based on the color of HIS skin, which is and of itself, being just what you accuse him of being.

Have you ever stepped back to consider that there just might be something other than race involved here?  Is there even the slightest chance?

Wilburt, you are a good man, but I'm afraid you have overreacted in this case.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 01:58:58 PM
Wilburt- I have no ax to grind. I am not only talking about the QOWI, but also how playing againest inferior competition affects the other members of the GSAC with regards to preparing to play againest the best of the best during tourney time, This is similiar to the discussions you had regarding MC's non-conference opponents in B-ball, and how that affected the way they performed during the tourney. With they way you talk about Lambert I almost have the feeling that you might be blinded by your personal dislike for him and not the issues at hand. To me it seemed that there are more coaches in the GSAC that might have the same feelings. Also, maybe I keep repeating the same question because you have not provided an answer on why Fisk has not been able to be competitive in the other sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 02, 2006, 02:04:57 PM
I wish Coach Lambert would read this nonsense we are talking about.  Coach if you would get to read these posts KEEP FISK IN THE GSAC so that the Soccer, Volleyball, Baseball, Girls Basketball team can go 2-84 again next year, and the following so on-and on and on..

  Fisk needs to be an independent for good... Bring on Sewanee, and Ogelthorpe...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 02, 2006, 02:09:01 PM
Yes, lambert is a racist, when i played for him he always made the black, hispanic, native american, and the white players sit next to each in team meetings or in the cafeteria or on the bus and we even had a fight  between a black and a white player and he addressed it this way, there is only one color on the maryville college fighting scots basketball team:   Orange and Garnett

think about the man is wise beyond his years

Maybe the greater issue is that he just wants to get rid of fisk and move the 4 remaining schools into the USA South, which changed its name from Dixie to be more PC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 02:14:09 PM
We can only dream about moving into the USA South conference. Talk about really steppin up for all of MC's sports. An AQ for every conference winner in each sport (mens and womens).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 02:16:30 PM
Let me make it plain Highlander.  Fisk is not competitive in some sports due to LACK OF $$$$$$$. How many times and ways can I say that?  

I'll admit I may have overeacted, if you'll (colincondi) admit that Lambert is overreacting by doing what he his doing. I don't know the man so I can only judge him by his conduct and to me actions speaks louder than words.  Fisk's competitiveness is a smokescreen issue, I believe there are other issues driving this.  If this were just competitiveness issues and Lambert was acting in "good faith" then IMHO expulsion would not be the answer.  That's if that was the real issue.  I am not minimizing the competitiveness issue, but proposing expulsion is using a cannon to kill a fly.  It's overkill!  WHY?  Is it personal?  Is it racist?  You tell me...        
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 02, 2006, 02:22:44 PM
I believe the thinking is the USA south wants the 4 teams from the gsac and not fisk and that if fisk is not in the gsac it would be a seemless transition, just a thought but it seems plausible

Lambert 4 life, i hope Andy Chaney gets on here and tells us all how it is going to play out
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 02, 2006, 02:23:52 PM
Wilburt,
I completely understand if Fisk has trouble with the money issue. I just wonder how they can have a money issue if they were once a member of the SCAC. Is there not a requirement regarding the size of the schools endownment in regards to membership? Is that the reason they left the SCAC ( not trying to be a smart a- -)? Also, in regards to Lambert, how do you know that the other coaches don't feel the same way? Maybe they do, and they just haven't made it public. I would rather someone be straightfoward as opposed to hiding in the shadows.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 02:34:25 PM
I don't know why Fisk left the SCAC.  I suspect it was due to travel issues much like why Rose-Hulman left the SCAC. 

I suspected that the other coaches and ADs felt the same way. It would be a surprise to me if they didn't.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on June 02, 2006, 02:53:29 PM
Wilburt,

I'm not sure why you insist that Lambert is the one behind this.  Obviously, the article you posted was from a Maryville newspaper.  Common sense says that the reporter is going to mostly get the AD at Maryville's point of view.  If a LaGrange paper had come out with the article, I'm sure they would have mostly gotten Phil Williamson's point of view.  The article mentioned that which school raised this issue was not public knowledge.  It also mentioned that expelling fisk was not the only issue.  They mentioned the article from a couple of weeks back about three schools (but not maryville) leaving the gsac to join another conference.

So just because Lambert is asked questions by a reporter and answers them does not mean that he is behind this.  In fact, I heard that Fisk might be voted out a couple of months ago from a coach at another GSAC school (believe it or not, I'm not a Maryville guy), so perhaps someone else is behind this. And just because Lambert is white and Fisk is a well-respected historically black school does not mean that racism is involved.  Fisk has had a very good men's basketball program (and knocking on the door of great) the last few years.  That is about it.  The rest of the athletic teams, for the most part, are a bit of a joke around the GSAC, from what I have heard.  I am not trying to be harsh in saying that... just stating what I have heard.  I have personally seen Fisk's soccer team lose 18-0 a couple of years ago.   I have never seen Fisk's facilities, so I cannot comment on those.  Today is the first time I've ever seen budget figures.

I understand your frustrations Wilburt.  But lashing out at lambert, accusing him of being behind it, and charging racism is over the top, in my opinion.  I have seen you on a number of occasions urge restraint and a more civil dialogue... I would urge you to do the same in this case.  Please be careful when you label someone a racist.  Casting stones like that can often be harmful, and at times counter-productive.

Colincondi (secretary of state)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 03:24:55 PM
Thank you all for this discussion.  I'm tired and ready to go home. 

My comments have added salt to this open wound so I'll voluntarily remove myself from further discussions on the GSAC Board for at least the rest of the summer if not longer.

It is clear that some time in the near future Fisk will be leaving the GSAC.   It is my hope that we go D2 and rejoin the SIAC like Stillman did.  I wish you all the best and hope you get your AQ and your QOWI improves ASAP.  I've spoken my mind cause I believe a free and honest dialogue is the first step to resolve any dispute or problems.  I dislike the fact that people today really don't speak their minds in this day and age. 

You all know where I'm coming from and to Lambert's credit we know where he publically stands although it is overkill IMHO.  I'm still upset and angry about how this is being handled but this too shall pass...  There are more important things in life than sports!   Adieu for the summer :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2006, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 02:34:25 PM
I don't know why Fisk left the SCAC.

Perhaps it wasn't voluntary.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on June 02, 2006, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: wilburt on June 02, 2006, 12:00:20 PM

Highlander speaking to the media is a minor issue with me, but let me state again.  How has Fisk's performance impeded the GSAC?  In order for me to accept your generalizations please point to me (in sufficient detail) where Fisk's QOWI has impeded the other GSAC teams from receiving Pool B bids in the other sports.  Otherwise I am inclined to believe it is just a matter of perception/conjecture on your part and others. 


Wilburt,

Yes, here is one instance in which playing Fisk kept a GSAC team from earning a pool B bid:

2001 Maryville College soccer team was 14-2-2.  Three wins were over a Fisk team that didn't score a goal all year.  Fisks QOWI was 0.00.  A committe member actually admitted that had Maryville allowed Fisk to win one of the three games, Maryville's QOWI would have increased enough to get them in the tournament.  I don't have Maryville's QOWI from that year but I know for a fact that playing Fisk three times significantly hindered there chances of making the tournament. 

Since then, the formula has changed so that wins against any team with less than a .333 winning percentage are equal (previously there was a very low point total for wins a against a team with a .000 winning percentage). 

The fact is that Basketball has nothing to do with this action.  Basketball is the model program at Fisk.  In the other sports, it's as if there is no attempt to compete. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on June 03, 2006, 09:58:20 PM
Whoa seems like I have missed a lot boys.  Wilburt, hows it going.  I would like to take this time to say what up to the MC posters.  Who is this Highlander guy/girl anyway.  Well I dont know about all these race issues, but i dont think that race will affect my views of any posters.  Hating on Wilburt by anyone other than me or Grubb is strictly forbidden from hence forth. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on June 03, 2006, 10:01:20 PM
with all that aside now this is my real post.  I just like to boost my stats.  I think all of these conflicts/issues aside.  It is stime to talk basketball.  MC has a very deep team that was made a little less so when JJ and trey brewer quit the team.  We still have bo bob Q sam alex jerms bradely orr and maybe some freshman competing for minutes this year.  Hope the scots better last years effort and finally go deep in the NCAA's
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on June 04, 2006, 09:18:12 PM
positive karma for beaty for the first time ever.  Thank you very much all you powerful posters out there
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on June 04, 2006, 09:21:57 PM
The fact is that Basketball has nothing to do with this action.  Basketball is the model program at Fisk.  In the other sports, it's as if there is no attempt to compete. 
Quote

Whoa there buddy.  I dont care to admit that fisk might not be so balanced in there sports, but "as if there is no attempt to compete?"  That is really harsh man.  The fact that fisk might not have the talent in some sports but they get out there and im da** sure that they are trying with all they got.  That is what sport is all about.  Lay off dude!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 04, 2006, 09:23:28 PM
The student-athletes may be trying to compete, but is the school or athletic department? That's the question.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on June 04, 2006, 10:12:28 PM
Thanks for saying that better than I could, Pat.  The Fisk players I played against always gave a  great effort and were very good sports. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 05, 2006, 11:19:26 AM
blah, blah
the gsac is the bomb with or without Fisk
Now that we have secured Randy and got him back on a tight leash, lookout for the scots next year, plenty of talent, no brains, sounds like a bad d1 program
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 05, 2006, 11:20:08 AM
i was in birmingham this weekend and there is a strong following for BSC in that town, they are going to make a great D3 institution
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on June 05, 2006, 11:33:25 AM
Congrats to Rusty Walker, former Maryville College basketball player and a 00 graduate of MC on being on the cover of Kiplingers Magazine.  Appears he is doing pretty well for himself. 

Glad winning isnt the only thing we think about ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 05, 2006, 01:59:32 PM
http://www.kiplinger.com/personalfinance/features/archives/2006/05/nashville.html
there is the link, fortunately he has gotten better looking since college
I also heard he can bench press the house 12 times
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on June 05, 2006, 11:09:59 PM
Huntingdon has next season's schedule posted. Looks like HC has added several south region games with Millsaps, Dallas and Rust. Still 5 non-DIII games, down from 7 last season. Two each against Atlanta Christian and Pensacola Christian plus a single game against Wesley(which I assume is the one in Mississippi and not the one in Delaware). Also, the Maryville and Fisk games aren't grouped together as in the past.

http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/schedule_and_scores
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 06, 2006, 12:43:15 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 05, 2006, 11:09:59 PM
Huntingdon has next season's schedule posted. Looks like HC has added several south region games with Millsaps, Dallas and Rust. Still 5 non-DIII games, down from 7 last season. Two each against Atlanta Christian and Pensacola Christian plus a single game against Wesley(which I assume is the one in Mississippi and not the one in Delaware). Also, the Maryville and Fisk games aren't grouped together as in the past.

http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/schedule_and_scores

Hawks88, I like your schedule.  I can understand that Wesley MS game as filling the open date in a five-team conference.  Also, I would guess that UDallas and Rust will play on Jan 6th in Montgomery in the Brick House Classic III.  The dates with Pensacola Christian and Atlanta Christian are good opponents in the school year, considering the relative isolation of Montgomery AL.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 06, 2006, 08:22:05 AM
Oh Yea and Matt Grubb it was a pleasure to play against you guys last night. Box in 1 against KG?? WOW!!!
  Hey you guys looked great and played great... FT's were the key... Well looks like I will be with Mr.Spencer Beaty next year!!! No more racial talks its all abotu basketball baby!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 06, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
Killer
Last night was a lot of fun, just a side note, 4 all gsac players on the same floor at the same time, it was fun
Congrats on your new position, it is a long way from Miami to the smokey mountains, good luck

Good job HC, the more respectable games you play the better you will get, win or lose
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 06, 2006, 10:20:55 AM
We would have been a heck of a team if we would all have played togther.. Me at the point, you and Sidney at the wings, Tummy down low, and Coach Bell!!! What a squad...

  Yes really excited to help the great Spencer Beaty and take them GP highlanders to the district title!!! haha doubtful but not impossible...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 06, 2006, 11:02:44 AM
GP has a great tradition, like when they graduated Oliver Morton and David Whaley in the same year, Morton went to Ole Miss and then transferred to UTC, where he dominated, and Whaley went to the Naval Academy and transferred to VTech, i don't care what high school team you are when you have two major college players on the same team, you have something special, there is talent in them there hills boy, you just have to do an awful lotta' diggin' to find it

you guys will have a lot of fun though and i might even make a couple of games when you guys roll into the big city
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 07, 2006, 12:30:05 PM
I just got back to the board (been vacating without a computer) and read the stuff apparently based on one article in a newspaper.  William, usually reasonable, sums up his postings with "You all know where I'm coming from and to Lambert's credit we know where he publically stands...."

I read all the posts and the article.  I do not know what Randy Lambert thinks about the Fisk-GSAC issue from anything I read.  I certainly cannot find the slightest evidence that he is a racist or that he was "behind" any move relative to Fisk.

To base conclusions about what Randy Lambert (or anyone else, for that matter) did or believes on one article in a local newspaper is unworthy of someone who often declares his respect for truth.  This is especially the case when William concludes that Lambert is a racist.

I have respected William's opinions even when I disagreed with them, but this "opinion" about Coach Lambert's character is unworthy of respect.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 07, 2006, 01:22:50 PM
To all Post Members: Remember this... Lagrange vs Maryville in teh GSAC championship
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 07, 2006, 03:27:58 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 07, 2006, 12:30:05 PM

To base conclusions about what Randy Lambert (or anyone else, for that matter) did or believes on one article in a local newspaper is unworthy of someone who often declares his respect for truth.  This is especially the case when William concludes that Lambert is a racist.

Well said, Scottie.

I've always found the inappropriate and indiscriminate "playing of the race card" distressing.
Sort of reminds me of the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Racism is a terrible, disgusting thing. That label should not be irresponsibly thrown around.

Frankly, I was very surprised that Wilburt would go there.

I'm guessing/hoping that, upon reflection, he regrets that he did.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 08, 2006, 11:32:24 AM
Old Lion where have you been, give some scoop on piedmont's recruiting, who's coming and who's leaving, that is what we want to know
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 08, 2006, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 08, 2006, 11:32:24 AM
Old Lion where have you been, give some scoop on piedmont's recruiting, who's coming and who's leaving, that is what we want to know

Matt,

You know how indefinite D3 recruiting can be ... you never really know until they show up for Fall classes. I hate to count any chickens before they hatch ... (Murvul is the only D3 school I'm aware of that even posts recruiting news.)

With that disclaimer issued ...

We lost 3 quality seniors. IMHO, replacing Brent Walker's rebounding and versatility will be the biggest challenge.

We have a solid core of our better players returning. The only thing (re new guys)  I've seen in print anywhere is on Miller and McCoy.
http://www.southeastbasketballacademy.com/HoopNews.htm
From what I hear, they both have the potential to be immediate contributors. BTW, I think McCoy is a wing, not a PG.

I'm also hearing rumors about several other good possibilities ... including at least four other guys who have the potential to crack our top 8. Of those four, my best guesses as to whether we'll actually be able to land them or not ... one is almost a lock, I like our chances with two more, say 80/20, and I'd say the chances of landing the fourth would be about 50/50.

We'll see...  One thing I feel fairly confident about is that we'll be deeper top to bottom next season. We should be able to get a lot more done in practice. The competition for PT should be fierce.

I'm looking forward to getting started in October. I'm hoping we are going to have something to say re Killer's prediction of a Murvul/LaGrange GSAC final.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 08, 2006, 04:36:36 PM
The only way we could see a different GSAC final is if they let Jake and Baldwin play off one another.. A lot of isolations and definitely pick and rolls.. I would have a field day as a Coach if I had the players Piedmont has.. But hey thats just me...
   Besides the Point Guard from Anderson County and my recruit from Miami big 6'6 post player Greg Hernandez every other recruit is average or below.. Its been hard for Randy to get the players he has ben fortunate to land because of increase in school tuition and academic requirements...
    Old Lion how about this thought... No disrespect to Coach Glover at Fisk but if I had the squad Fisk had this past year PUNCH ME A TICKET IN THE FINAL FOUR!!! They were a big disappointment...........
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 08, 2006, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 08, 2006, 04:36:36 PM
I would have a field day as a Coach if I had the players Piedmont has.. But hey thats just me...
   
    Old Lion how about this thought... No disrespect to Coach Glover at Fisk but if I had the squad Fisk had this past year PUNCH ME A TICKET IN THE FINAL FOUR!!! They were a big disappointment...........


Killer, I'm telling you ... you are going to have to find a little self confidence, if you are going to go anywhere in life!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2006, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: old_lion on June 08, 2006, 04:20:11 PM
You know how indefinite D3 recruiting can be ... you never really know until they show up for Fall classes. I hate to count any chickens before they hatch ... (Murvul is the only D3 school I'm aware of that even posts recruiting news.)


You ought to read the Daily Dose on occasion. There's a plethora of recruiting news, much of it provided by the schools themselves.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?cat=3
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2006, 11:34:10 PM
Quote from: fiskparents on June 08, 2006, 11:04:29 PM
Why does every one always want to talk about Fisk University. We get F***** in everthing the gsac is against us  and them D*** Zebras. 

People who register, post, and then delete their usernames also get their posts deleted.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 09, 2006, 10:01:40 AM
well recruiting has gotten better for the scots over the past couple of years, these rednecks in Knoxville are actually realizing that there are other opportunities to play college bball other than the Vols and Bruce Pearl really helped recruiting by considering Randy for the job at UT
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 09, 2006, 10:02:43 AM
Old Lion your the man!! :)

 Here is an article on me and my new job!! http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/259644

GP is on the rise!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 09, 2006, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 09, 2006, 10:02:43 AM

 Here is an article on me and my new job!! http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/259644


Nice article, Killer ... sounds like a great situation for you ... Congrats.

I'm sure you'll keep us posted as to how things go.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on June 10, 2006, 12:44:28 AM
2006-06-09
by Marcus Fitzsimmons
of The Daily Times Staff

DUCKWORTH ON TUSKEGEE SHORT LIST: as the coaching wheels continue to turn, GSAC
member Huntingdon College is now getting a taste of what Maryville experienced
last month when men's basketball coach Randy Lambert was on the UT short list
for an assistant's position on Bruce Pearl's staff.

Huntingdon's head men's coach Tony Duckworth is on the short list of candidates
for the head job at Division II Tuskegee University.

``They contacted me to gauge my level of interest,'' Duckworth said. `` I've
been invited for an on-campus interview with their search committee.''

Duckworth is scheduled to meet with that committee today.

``It would be remiss of me not to talk to them and see what they have to say,''
Duckworth said in referring to the uphill challenges that division II and III
coaches face. ``It never hurts to look.''

Duckworth coached the Hawks to their first regular season win over Maryville
College this spring and his team claimed the GSAC tournament championship with
another defeat of MC. The Scots however still received a bid to the NCAA
tournament while Huntingdon did not receive one of the very few pool bids
available to the GSAC.

Duckworth also complimented his time with HC so far and the support of athletic
director Buzz Phillips since Tuskegee inquired about his interest.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 10, 2006, 04:39:46 PM
More bb recruiting news:  Follow this link and keep reading past the volleyball-softball article to see what else GSACKiller has been up to.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/259647

Sound encouraging to me...Raul are these guys the real thing?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 10, 2006, 06:41:29 PM
Michael Santiago was in the Daily Dose on April 29. They running out of news down there? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on June 11, 2006, 06:53:13 PM
 
Duckworth interviews with Tuskegee

By Ben Thomas
Montgomery Advertiser



Huntingdon men's basketball coach Tony Duckworth has interviewed for the same position at Tuskegee University.

Duckworth, who led the Hawks to the Great South Athletic Conference regular season and tournament titles a year ago, said he interviewed with Tuskegee's search committee Wednesday.

"I'm certainly not in any hurry to leave Huntington, but when this opportunity presented itself, I felt like I had to check it out," said Duckworth, who is 62-72 in five seasons at Huntingdon.

[remainder deleted to preserve newspaper's copyright.]
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 11, 2006, 07:16:17 PM
If Coach Duckworth moves to Tuskegee, then we can surmise that it was due to  "the content of [his] character, rather than the color of [his] skin."  :)

Full Text--Duckworth (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060611/SPORTS/606110336/1002)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 12, 2006, 08:03:47 AM
Greg Hernandez can be the next Bobby Golden in the conference if he stays in shape and is Coached the right way. He has great size but most of all great feet and hands. Santiago is similiar to the Sammuel Coppage kid.. Hernandez has the biggest upside of any of the recruits he has recruited the past two years!
    Thats all I know...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 12, 2006, 10:30:39 AM
Any word on that 6'7 transfer who weighs 112 lbs and can flat out play from any of you murvul fans, and i know you know who i am talking about b/c he came and balled everybody and they were working to get his package together, any word on how that turned out
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 12, 2006, 10:34:28 AM
that article on attendance is siiiiiiiiiicccccckkkkkkk,
It is nice to know that the program you support gets support, now i will admit Boydson Baird does not rock out like Calvin or Hope, but hey, not many places do at all levels of bball, 9th ain't bad when you average almost as many fans as you have students
lambert may want to think about selling individual seats to raise more money, i am in
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 12, 2006, 11:16:40 AM
that article is sick!! SCOTS SCOTS SCOTS!!!
  Hey Mr.Grubb I will be playing in a tournament in North Carolina with your buddy Halston....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on June 12, 2006, 03:16:24 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer
  Hey Mr.Grubb I will be playing in a tournament in North Carolina with your buddy Halston....
quote]

absolutely amazing.  sorry for giving out your phone number.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 12, 2006, 04:10:25 PM
oh yeah don't make me throw out my stat line from when i fill in for you, i actually had a steal last game

Killer, make it hot, we are hooping tonight, i am trying to stay in shape has anyone played in maryville?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on June 13, 2006, 07:32:57 AM
Since nobody else will, I will speak on Wilburt's behalf.  Take a second to think aobut it.  You are the only black poster on the board representing the only COED HBCU in a small conference, which has already removed a HBCU years before.  Walks like a duck...sounds like a duck. .......but fortunately in this case it is not a racist duck.  There are real reasons why Fisk has problems in other sports besides men's hoops.  I can't fix them.  It is up to Fisk.  Fisk is limited by facilities and staff and money and blah, blah, blah but some how some way you have got to do the right thing as well as you can.  I love Dr. Larry Glover.  How many other people can say their coach is also a Doctor.  I think he is a Doctor of Funkology, but I am not sure.  This conference has been a little out of whack since we started so this will too pass.  Wilburt. don't stay gone too long.  You are some of these posters role model and they will stray during the long hot summer and come back in the fall with the same old predictions of undefeated Maryville seasons. 

This just in....Georgia Tech has noticed how their academic mission doesn't jive with the ACC anymore and would like to follow B'ham Southern's play and move to DIII and compete immediately in the GSAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 13, 2006, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on June 13, 2006, 07:32:57 AM
a small conference, which has already removed a HBCU years before ...

Coach Haynes,

Educate me. I admit I'm not up to speed on GSAC history. I thought the GSAC was a fairly young conference and was under the impression that (on the men's side) these were the 5 original members ...

Pls give me a brief history lesson.

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 13, 2006, 10:00:22 AM
some of stillman's problems involved one of their men's bball players showing their rear against maryville, literally he showed his rear

And yes, could be another undefeated season for Maryville in the GSAC, some predictions never change
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 13, 2006, 10:30:08 AM
Oh Yea:
   Please when you give my number to someone can you please ask me for my consent.. That guy calls me if he was my agent!!hahahaha.. Oh Yea by the way your the man... Best Big Man in GSAC history and in East Tenn.. Knoxville Noise big men a JOKE!!!
  I will tell you how the money tournament goes this weekend..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 13, 2006, 12:14:38 PM
Killer remember he is not your agent
I am pimping both you and Oh Yeah

The Grubby one for life

by the way i will be in the MIA, this time next month
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2006, 08:17:23 PM
Here is a URL that is talking about the new Gym at Fisk.

New Fisk Gym (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=9&screen=news&news_id=13429)

Maybe this is a sign that the Fisk Board will recognize what has happened in D3 sports, and how much money they need to spend to bring Fisk up to the athletic standards that their Phi Beta Kappa and other academic parameters bespeak.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2006, 08:20:36 PM
The date on that story is 2002. If that's accurate then it may be a manifestation of the very thing that is hurting Fisk vis a vis the GSAC right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 14, 2006, 09:29:12 AM
the first step in making a change is realizing you need to change, hopefully they will get it done and can stay in the GSAC,

the boys now should thank their lucky stars they don't have to play at Stillman, Stillman's gym makes fisk look like MSG
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on June 14, 2006, 09:20:32 PM
Just wanted to say hello and that I am a huge fan of the the GSAC and have been ever since it was started, but I have been out of the loop for the last year or so.  However, I am aware of this past season and all that took place.  Can anyone out there give me a quick summary of what is going on these days other than Duckworth possibly leaving, Lambert not going to UT, and Haynes the only coach in the country that actually talks on a message board.  That is one thing that has not changed.

Plus, GSAC Killer, I thought this was the GSAC posting area, not the GSAC Killer promote me page, are you using this to make yourself feel good and compensate for something else ???  Maybe take your self-praise to brentwatts.com
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 14, 2006, 10:42:41 PM
This is good!  First post out of his/her mouth, so to speak, and trashing our man GSAC Killer, the source of much fine and generally accurate info about Many Things, including His Own Game.  I imagine this will slow him down as well as Fisk ever did. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2006, 08:23:35 AM
GSAC Killer is BACK!!! :)  Good comment Lil RB... By the way we knwo who you are.Nice Email address!!!.  I enjoy your sense of humor and by the way I don't need to self promote, I'm just as pimps like Brent Watts and Dee Bell would say " I'm a BIG thing Around here"hahahaha ;D

Hey good thing about the GSAC killer he keeps it real....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on June 15, 2006, 01:27:27 PM
GSAC Killer, it is really sad that you would speak about Dee Bell and Brent Watts in the same breathe.  Please try and not insult COACH Bell that way, and remember who taught you to keep it real ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 15, 2006, 01:58:04 PM
nice name Lil Rb, but we all know the truth, there is nothing little about you, you are just a skinny guy living in a fat man's body.  The GSAC board just blew up.  From now i will only have conversations with guys who were gsac players of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2006, 02:51:20 PM
Just minutes ago I had a convo with the best big man in GSAC history and he is a little stunned at the comments posted by Lil RB!!
  Grubbster I agree with the whole skinny trapped in a fat mans body!!hahahahahahahha :D

   By the way Lil RB is quite the pimp himself!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 19, 2006, 09:55:32 AM
Any new recruiting news out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 19, 2006, 11:29:26 AM
Oh Yea missed you this weekend in Charlotte.. If you read this hit me up... I needed you.. NO POST PLAYERS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 21, 2006, 12:12:00 PM
MIAMI HEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! World Champions....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on June 21, 2006, 06:03:14 PM
I must say GSAC Killer, that Wade sure was clutch at times during the Finals, it sort of reminded me of someone in the past that was also clutch for their team when they needed it the most.  Miami would go forever without scoring, and then D-Wade would make it look effortless and score like 8 straight, and get them right back into the game.  CLUTCH, that is what he is, CLUTCH.  By the way, why in the world did Miami continue to put Williams to the free throw line to shoot technical fouls, Wade should have been shooting them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 22, 2006, 09:48:33 AM
Yes I know who you are talking about.. Hey big players show up in big games!!
  Wade was absolutely sensational.. I hate the comparisons to Jordan. He is not as complete as Jordan was throughout his career "YET".. As for being better than Jordan after his 3rd year NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!!

  The one thing they do have in common the ability to take over game no matter what type of defense is thrown there way...
   Hey LilRB how do you think the Scots will do this year??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 22, 2006, 04:35:56 PM
Imagine jordan if he had shaq instead of Bill Cartwright?

And yes, i appreciate all the references as a clutch fighting scot, thank you it means alot coming from you two.

The scots next year:  No Tournament, now way 16-9
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 23, 2006, 09:54:01 AM
Believe it or not he was speaking about me..hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 23, 2006, 04:11:17 PM
Mr. Grubbie:  Where are 9 losses?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on June 24, 2006, 11:19:49 AM
GSAC Killer, I have put a lot of thought into what you have ask me, and no matter what anyone thinks about any teams future, there are some things that you just can't predict because of injury, grades, sickness, or even death to a family member that might not make a team as good one week as the next.  I said all of that to get to this, the Scots will find themselves back at the top again trying to win another conference championship, simply because of tradition and the house that Randy built.  With the loss of so many seniors from Huntingdon and Fisk, and Maryville returning their core players, it looks to me as they would be the front runner. 

That is just it, the Scots are so fickle these days, who knows, the only consistent player is Coach Lambert.  Use to, you didn't have to ask how the Scots were going to be year in and year out.  We could make a lot of assumptions right now, but basketball ratings, espically in June, may be the most worthless thing since Bradley Blair and the bench press. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 26, 2006, 10:21:12 AM
unfortunately no game is a guarantee with the scots these days
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 26, 2006, 03:30:27 PM
Grubbster you are definitely right but the conference is too weak for them not to win it all... The B-3 as I call them of Bo, Bradley, and Bobby will be more than enough for this season... Potentially they can make a run at it but potential is a tricky word...

  The only certainties we will see this season are as follows:
Bo will average 35 minutes a game because he has no subsitute...
Bobby will start the season the heaviest he has ever been and still average a 15ppg and 7rpg..
Bradley Blair will lead the team in shot attempts coming off the bench...
  I know you guys might think I am crazy for saying this but Bradley is a better starter than Bobby!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 26, 2006, 05:54:14 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 26, 2006, 03:30:27 PM
Grubbster you are definitely right but the conference is too weak for them not to win it all...

Easy now, Killer ... I think you are writing off my boys from Demorest a little prematurely.

Now I realize we are going to have to struggle through once again without you as our coach ...  :D  ... but we are going to have a lot of arrows in our quiver.

To start with, we have 4 of our top 5 guys returning. And we have some exciting possibilities among the new guys. We have at least 5 or 6 guys coming in with the potential to make a sgnificant contribution next season. IMHO, 1 or 2 of them have a good chance to start.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on June 26, 2006, 06:14:54 PM
old lion, yes you are right, they do have a chance to start along with anyone else that you bring in because this is Piedmont's "MO" every year.  Your team is written off because somethings never change, or have not up until this point.  Your players don't have the right mentality to be competitive day in and day out.  If you have not realized it, and obviously you haven't, defense wins, and you guys play no defense.

By the way, new guys are always exciting because they are new, it is just like a new plate of food in front of me, I never know if it is better than the last plate until I try it.  Your exciting possibilties, well, not good enough to ever beat Maryville, why, because your guys are unable to simulate the competitiveness in practice to prepare you for a Maryville game and your schedule night in and night out does not demand the pressure of winning to get to the NCAA tournament, Maryville may be trying to win the GSAC, but ultimately, the NCAA and the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 26, 2006, 11:47:29 PM
well let's not go too far ahead Lil Rb, sometimes winning a second round game would be enough, yes the conference is weak, your assessment on Piedmont is pretty accurate, the lions cannot keep relying on new people, veterans dominate D3.  I think attitude has a lot to do with winning at the collegiate level and my best friend who was on the 97 Michigan football team said they had 1 distraction all year and the offensive line handled that guy themselves and there were no more distractions.  Players cannot be distracted by bad attitudes, it keeps teams from winning.  I think the scots will have issues with several teams next year, i always like transy, i think they run a great system, which will be tough to beat year in and year out, Otterbein, Oglethorpe, and anybody you don't prepare for properly
the real question for the scots is can they replace Monte and JJ on the perimeter and they will not be able to replace the president Andy Chaney
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 27, 2006, 12:49:32 AM
Quote from: Lil Rb on June 26, 2006, 06:14:54 PM
old lion, yes you are right, they do have a chance to start along with anyone else that you bring in

Little Abner, I mean Rib,

Even though Murvul has been a perennial winner and has dominated the GSAC, I have found that most Murvul posters express their views diplomatically and with some semblance of class ... many people seem to find it easy to be magnanimous when they are on top.  I guess there are exceptions to every rule.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 27, 2006, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 26, 2006, 11:47:29 PM
the lions cannot keep relying on new people ...

Grubby One, if you'll examine the facts, I think you'll find that we have 4 starters returning who combined, have started for about six and a half seasons. If you'll think it through a little more carefully, I think you'll realize there is a major difference between relying on new people and expecting significant contributions from them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on June 27, 2006, 06:58:41 AM
Grubb try to stick to the question and we care about as much for your imaginery friend and Michigan about as much as we care about all your imaginery girlfriend and imaginery job.  Make sure you read the part that says trying to win a National Championship.  As far as you assessment about the Scots and the trouble they will have next year with some teams, well, where have you been try and post something that we did know, including how great you are.

Old lion, the eye is in the beholder, if you feel as though that was classless, maybe you are just bitter towards the truth.  Maybe if your players would carry themselves in a MAGNANIMOUS way, they to would be confident and win more games instead of trying to be to cool for school.  Watch those guys warm-up before a game, they are not trying to get ready to go to war, thery are trying to impress the Grubby one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 27, 2006, 10:26:26 AM
still angry about being shorted where it counts huh lil rb, you should let it go and move on

Old Lion,
I am talking about 3 and 4 year starters, like a Jeremy Holliday, Bo mason, or to go way back matt ennen a 4 year starter,
New people mean underclassmen

Quote for the day by the grubby one: "I'm better than you"

wear it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 27, 2006, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 27, 2006, 10:26:26 AM

Old Lion,
I am talking about 3 and 4 year starters, like a Jeremy Holliday, Bo mason, or to go way back matt ennen a 4 year starter,

Grubb,
I understand your point re 3 and 4 year starters ... we don't have any of those, yet.

But I have to take issue with your examples. Holliday and Mason are rising juniors, like Green and Baldwin. So they can't be 3 yr starters, yet. As a matter of fact, Green (47) and Baldwin (31) have started more games than Holliday (42) and Mason (26).

I think Holliday's and Mason's advantage comes in that they have been in the Murvul system for two years .. better teams, better competition in practice, an established system, post season experience, etc.

I don't know whether we'll finally be able to beat Murvul this year or not. But we are steadyly improving. I like our chances a heck of a lot better than I did two years ago. S/b interesting ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 27, 2006, 12:57:44 PM
old lion,
good point, the difference between Baldwin and Green and maryville, those guys are going to be paired with new faces, while the maryville guys will have Bobby a three year starter and some old faces but new starters, is a 6th man that moves into a starting role a bad thing, not really, that 6th man could be better than the guy that graduated and that is what makes systems work
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 27, 2006, 01:22:30 PM
I agree, Grubb ... and no one ever mentions Bradley Blair. The few times I've seen him, he's been very effective. That's quite a luxery to have a guy like that coming off your bench.

But Green and Baldwin are going to have more help than just the new guys. Adams and Whitlock both started last year and are very underrated.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 27, 2006, 02:17:33 PM
I am excited for Piedmont, i wish there program would take off, i think they have the best shot to recruit talent of any gsac school with it's proximity to atlanta and athens
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 27, 2006, 05:02:05 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 27, 2006, 02:17:33 PM
I am excited for Piedmont, i wish there program would take off, i think they have the best shot to recruit talent of any gsac school with it's proximity to atlanta and athens

I think it's about to (take off) ... But then again, I'm always an optimist.

Our coaches are doing a great job of putting together our second strong recruiting class in 3 years. We have a lot of pieces in place.  I'm looking forward to watching that talent be molded into an effective team. And Lil Abner is right about one thing ... we do have to play better, smarter, team defense.

Re recruiting ... you've been to Demorest, right? I think one of our problems is that, at first glance, Demorest doesn't strike anyone as a hotbed of excitement. It's not. But first appearances are somewhat deceiving. As you implied, there is a lot to do, fairly close by. And once the guys get there, for the most part, they really like it. It's a good school and the team has great camaraderie.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on June 28, 2006, 11:20:32 AM
I am always optimistic about the other teams in the GSAC and if they will give the Scots competition for the upcoming year.  And then I sit back and think of the stats....

Piedmont  0 - 7 years
Lagrange  0 - 7 years
Huntington 2 - 6 years
Fisk 3 - 7 years

That being said, you see why Maryville struggles after the first round in the tournament every year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 28, 2006, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on June 28, 2006, 11:20:32 AM
I am always optimistic about the other teams in the GSAC and if they will give the Scots competition for the upcoming year.  And then I sit back and think of the stats....

Piedmont  0 - 7 years
Lagrange  0 - 7 years
Huntington 2 - 6 years
Fisk 3 - 7 years

That being said, you see why Maryville struggles after the first round in the tournament every year. 

In all fairness to the GSAC, you are just a conference that is trying to get off the ground.  The men are not yet an official conference in the eyes of the NCAA.  The women only get their AQ this fall.

As I understand it, Piedmont, LaGrange and Huntingdon were primarily NCCAA (more like them than NAIA-2, if they had dual membership) (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=1167.432) until just a few seasons ago.  The conference is trying to grow.  You have done a great job of finding schools that want to adopt the D3 model.  You can also make the case that everyone is catching up to Maryville as those aformentioned schools become "more D3" than NCCAA.

With the moratorium on moves to D3 from outside the NCAA, it looks like the GSAC will need to hang on for a little longer.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 28, 2006, 12:17:28 PM
Ralph:  What is the alleged purpose of the moratorium?  And is that the real purpose?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: younglion on June 28, 2006, 04:27:07 PM
A little Piedmont recruiting news for you.

Joe Chilton 6'7 PF/C - Transfer from Montreat, played 8-10 minutes a game on the 20th ranked team in the nation as a sophomore, Will most likely start right away

Chuck McCoy 6'3 SG/SF - Etowah, averaged 15ppg, 5apg, 2spg, Will push for big minutes as a freshman

Michael Rubio 6'1 PG/SG - North Forsyth, averaged 18ppg, 3apg, 2spg, Will get minutes at both the point and 2 as a freshman

Wes Miller 6'6 PF - North Springs, averaged 14ppg, 8rpg, Athletic forward who will be a solid backup at both post positions as a freshman

Aaron Patton 6'2 wing - Hayesville, averaged 20ppg, 9rpg, Will push for minutes at both wing positions

That is just the cream of the crop.  Piedmont has got commitments from a couple other solid players including a transfer from Presbyterian College.  Piedmont also has two more post players that they are waiting on that could be solid players.

Along with 4 returning starters; Jake Green (potentially the best pg in the conference), Jake Baldwin (potentially the best player in the conference), Mike Adams (one of the best guards in the conference), and Tyler Whitlock (one of the hardest working players in the conference), Piedmont could surprise a lot of you haters out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 28, 2006, 11:42:20 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 28, 2006, 12:17:28 PM
Ralph:  What is the alleged purpose of the moratorium?  And is that the real purpose?

Scottie, as I understand the moratorium, the Presidents of D3 thought that D3 was being diluted too much by the new schools.  I think that there are many presidents and universities from the olden days of D3, (before so many NAIA schools came over), that D3 is changing to something they don't like or couldn't control.

In the 1980's the WIAC, the ASC, the NWC and many of the schools in the NAthCon and the PresAC were NAIA.  D3 is now over 400 schools.  The Future of D3 board has the results of many of the initiatives that came from the self-study, e.g., red-shirting and alternate season participation.  That split many of the old-timers from the newcomers.

Please look in the pages in the upper 30's on this pdf file at all of the schools in the NAIA (http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/naia/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/DI_MBB_Champ_History.pdf) in the 1970's-1990's who are now D2 and especially D3.

Birmingham-Southern made sure that they could move on their timetable before the June 1st dealine.

Good question...I think that the old-timers want some time to assimilate the new members.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 28, 2006, 11:52:54 PM
I think it's that D-III is getting so large that it's getting difficult to administer. That's probably the primary motivation.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 29, 2006, 08:22:18 AM
Quote from: younglion on June 28, 2006, 04:27:07 PM
A little Piedmont recruiting news for you.

That is just the cream of the crop.  Piedmont has got commitments from a couple other solid players including a transfer from Presbyterian College.  Piedmont also has two more post players that they are waiting on that could be solid players.


Nice scouting report, Young Lion.

The transfer from Presbyterian you referred to, Brandon Mayweather, also could be a real find for Piedmont. He is a 6'0 guard out of Dacula High School. He played in Region 8AAAAA in 2003-2004 ... one of the toughest regions (that year) ever in the state of Georgia.

That region sent a couple of dozen guys to college ball and one, Louis Williams, directly to the NBA. That region had at least 3 to 5 teams (South Gwinnett, Norcross, North Gwinnett, Shiloh, Central Gwinnett) that could have been very competitive if they had played a GSAC schedule.

My point is, Brandon has been battle tested ... so if he shows up in shape, and ready to play, he could bring a lot to the Piedmont team.

With a little good fortune, maybe we'll be improved enough that we can step up the level of competition in the GSAC. Lord knows we all need to pick it up so that Murvul can advance past the first round of the NCAA tourney. From everything I've been reading on here lately, obviously, it is the rest of the GSAC's  fault that Murvul hasn't been able to go further.

Hopefully, we'll be able to begin to right that terrible wrong of the rest of the GSAC letting Murvul down.  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 29, 2006, 11:13:35 AM
old_lion:  You're not too bad at sarcasm. 

It will be better for everybody if you are right about Piedmont and its future prowess.  Not only will it be helpful if the competition up and down the GSAC gets tougher, maybe it will help persuade a couple of teams to want to join.  Then again it could do the opposite.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on June 29, 2006, 11:45:49 AM
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With a little good fortune, maybe we'll be improved enough that we can step up the level of competition in the GSAC. Lord knows we all need to pick it up so that Murvul can advance past the first round of the NCAA tourney. From everything I've been reading on here lately, obviously, it is the rest of the GSAC's  fault that Murvul hasn't been able to go further.
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I cant recall the last time Maryville didnt get past the 1st round.  They struggle with the second round, normally on the road.  How many GSAC schools give Maryville a hard time on the road, game after game.  You even made the point for Maryville in your post by stating that the transfer is battle tested.  Maryville is not b/c of the lack of competition in the GSAC.  Until proven otherwise, I will firmly believe this. 

And Younglion, I hope you are correct about this group.  I remember old lion singing the praises of recruits for the past two years and they have been a let down.  It gets old watching Piedmont get smoked at Maryville by 20 and 30 points.  Totally loses the interest of the fans until Bradley Blair misses two dunks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 29, 2006, 01:11:12 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 29, 2006, 11:13:35 AM
old_lion:  You're not too bad at sarcasm. 


Sarcasm? No, not at all ... I prefer to think of it as a dry sense of humor.  :D

But, thanks anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 29, 2006, 01:16:02 PM
a good saying i once heard,
There comes a point where potential only means you are not doing what you are supposed to.
-someone smarter than me and definitely smarter than Lil' Rib
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 29, 2006, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: ohyeah link=topic=4206.msg531726#msg531726quote]

I cant recall the last time Maryville didnt get past the 1st round.  They struggle with the second round, normally on the road.   How many GSAC schools give Maryville a hard time on the road, game after game.  You even made the point for Maryville in your post by stating that the transfer is battle tested.  Maryville is not b/c of the lack of competition in the GSAC.  Until proven otherwise, I will firmly believe this. 

And Younglion, I hope you are correct about this group.  I remember old lion singing the praises of recruits for the past two years and they have been a let down.  It gets old watching Piedmont get smoked at Maryville by 20 and 30 points.   Totally loses the interest of the fans until Bradley Blair misses two dunks. 
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My bad, ohyeah, I misspoke. I should have said 2nd round.  I was just kidding around anyway ... trying to get a little discussion going. I agree with your basic point re good competition making you better.

Ohyeah, I beg to differ about the recruiting class from 2 years ago being a letdown. They haven't been as successful as we would have liked, but there has definitely been progress.
Someone, I believe it was Grubb, correctly pointed out how difficult it is for new players to come in and compete with veterans from established programs.

When that class came in, there were only 2 players returning (from an unsuccessful team) who had played any minutes to speak of, the year before. That first year, with 3 of the 5 starters being freshmen, they went 10 -16. Last year, they improved to 13-12. Not great, but definitely progress against some pretty good veteran GSAC teams ... Personally, I wouldn't describe them as a letdown.

IMHO, we should have all the pieces in place to improve again. Everyone, players and coaches, just has to dedicate themselves to building an effective team and get it done.

And finally, you think its getting old? Imagine how we feel ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 29, 2006, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 29, 2006, 01:16:02 PM
a good saying i once heard,
There comes a point where potential only means you are not doing what you are supposed to.
-someone smarter than me and definitely smarter than Lil' Rib

Grubb,

As usual, you speak the truth.

The way I heard it phrased was ...  Potential means you haven't done it yet.

But that's essentially the same point ... and a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 29, 2006, 04:43:05 PM
the grubby one will be seen in maryville tonight, be ready
16-9 for life
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 29, 2006, 04:53:40 PM
Here are 9 losses for the scots
1.Carson Newman  tough to beat a D2 at their place
2.King same as CN  King is transistioning to D2 with the legendary george pitts as their coach
3. Will lose 1 of first three games to Centre, Emory, or OU
4. Possibly 2 of first three
5. Otterbein
6. Transy
7. 1 of the O Club classic games
8. Fisk in nashville
9.  GSAC tourney game

This looks like a possibility, some what of a worst case scenario, but possible, what do you maryville fans think about these losses
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 29, 2006, 10:41:19 PM
Some of you already know this, but we've gotten it from enough sources that we consider it reliable now:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=735
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on June 30, 2006, 12:12:20 AM
For obvious reasons, I'm not going to mention a name... but I'd love to know, younglion, how one of those recruits you mentioned was admitted?  I happen to know his grades/test scores.  Just what are the admission standards at Piedmont?  I don't ask this venomously, but I am curious. 

That is an outstanding class... a couple of those kids can play.  Piedmont's biggest problem may be not having enough minutes to go around to keep everyone happy, but that is a good problem to have.

Anybody have updates on the other schools recruiting classes?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 30, 2006, 10:27:59 AM
sorry to see him go, he was a class act, he was the only coach to beat Lambert in the gsac in 2 different seasons, good luck finding a replacement, where is Latrae Hampton, hey i will move to nashville from Miami, the grubby one knows the GSAC and i am trying to educate all of you about it

Bobby Golden has a new name, it is "SLIM" so please refer to him as that from now on
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 30, 2006, 11:28:06 AM
Those nine losses seem possible.  Partly evidence of a schedule with some good teams and partly possible because there are a lot of holes for the Scots to fill.  Did Brewer leave the team along with JJ?   King going DII seems nuts to me.  What are they trying to prove and accomplish?

I hope Dr. Glover's resignation provides an opportunity for Fisk and the GSAC to develop a plan that will keep Fisk in the league.  I'd hope that a new AD would want some commitments about financial resources and, if that is the core issue, will get what it will take.

Bout how slim is Slim?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 30, 2006, 12:50:19 PM
First of all Bobby looks phenomenal
Second, maybe that will get the committment that fisk needs to remain a part of the gsac
Brewer did leave, JJ did not leave, he just can't play, but he wants to
Also, those losses are possible not definite, but let's plan for the worst and be suprised by the scots, we are not UT football fans
King is going D2 on their way to D1, i guess they are trying to overcompensate for being small, you know like Lil RB
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: younglion on June 30, 2006, 02:43:26 PM
colincondi, I know the kid you are inquiring about and I will not mention his name for his sake.  But the kid actually has a very good gpa.  He did not do very well on his SAT but his GPA was so high that Piedmont took that into consideration.  He was admitted to Piedmont on a probational status and will have to take some classes before school starts.

And Piedmont's academic standards are basically the same as everyone else in the conference.  He was also admitted into Huntingdon along with a plethora of other D3 schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on June 30, 2006, 04:34:16 PM
mattgrubb, why do you feel the need to look at the glass as half empty everytime you are unable to find something to discuss, so you resort back to how poorly you think the Scots will do next year.  Maybe I am playing right into your plan, do you feel the need for a "quick fix" so that you can brag on yourself about how successful your teams were in the past.  Take that stuff to brentwatts.com so that you can compare stats and you can feel good about your self and help your self-esteem.  Or just have your boyfriend take you out for a sausage biscuit.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on June 30, 2006, 08:43:14 PM
Hey Lil Rib and Grubb- why don't you guys just hug and tell stories about how great it was to be at MC and hang out at the old Lloyd hall and of course Pearsons Hall. Those were the days, I can still remember all of the people packed in Lloyd after the Scots football team upset E&H in 1997. IMHO Maryville B- ball seems to lack the intensity and desire that it takes to remain on top year in to year out. To me it feels like they are now content to live on the reputation the the Maryville teams of the past built. Bring back the intensity of House, Watts, Dee, Leroy, Ennen, Winton, Placeres, Bird, Wright, and last but not least Beatty.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 02, 2006, 11:12:38 PM
Lil Rib has just been in the mountains too long and is obviously bitter at the Grubby one for being a wealth of knowledge and teaching him a thing or two
I currently don't have a boyfriend but i am in the market, are you soliciting yourself Lil RB?
I have always been a glass half empty kind of guy, except for once, i took a glass half full approach to a friend one time and that was a mistake, a short fat blonde guy at MC, j/k

Just to let you know i think bobby and i will go out for that sausage biscuit

where has the killer been?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 03, 2006, 08:25:40 AM
I'm gone for a couple of days and Lil RB and The Grubby one are going at it... I LOVE IT!!
By the way I really hope Bobby is in shape.. If he only knew where his game would take him if he were in shape.. Gentlemen of the roundtable the Scots will once again win 20 games have 2 guys on the All Conference 1st Team and lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament... The conference is too weak besides one team..... Surprise of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Lagrange Panthers.... They have a good core coming back and with some key additions from the MIA -305 the kids from Georgia will be a force to be reckoned with!!!!
    By the way JJ is not going to play next year.. So that leaves me with this question who is going to play the 2 & 3 positions this year?
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 03, 2006, 09:02:28 AM
Killer,
that is the question for the scots, no wing game returning, great posts, but what about the perimeter, sure they got Bo, but there are three positions there, what about Orr at the 3? any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 03, 2006, 10:26:08 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 03, 2006, 08:25:40 AM
with some key additions from the MIA -305  

Huh? Can I get a little clarification on that comment?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 03, 2006, 10:49:04 AM
Grubby you know me and what type of game I like to play.. Up and down on offense pick up full for 40 min but I am not the coach of the Fighting Scots.. Coach Lamber likes to play solid man to man and run Motion FOREVER and A DaY!! But hey he has been successful so that is what he does... I like Orr a lot especially on the wing attacking the basket.. I would give him isolations against bigger defenders and I would put him on top of my presses...
  I still believe they need to move Bo over.. Bo pounds it too much for me.. He is a great shooter so put him in a spot will he will be more beneficial "SHOOTING GUARD"... He is a great off the ball defender.. He reads passes well he just can't guard a SOUL one on one...
   Old Lion two or maybe 3 guys will be going to Miami from my Hometown... And let me tell you all 3 could start at Da Ville right now!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 03, 2006, 12:07:43 PM
killer i will be in the MIA next friday and i need my phone number (matt grubb), i love bo at the 2, when he gets hot it is over, he can hit anything, but he is better at the point than anything else they have
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 03, 2006, 12:14:36 PM
Try Jeff McCord.. He has the "OG" number.. I didnt chill much with him... By the way when he is hot he is nice.... Hopefully they will give Sauceman a chance!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 03, 2006, 12:21:21 PM
hey hit me up at work or my email.. placeres112000@yahoo.com (865) 692 5968...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on July 03, 2006, 04:05:16 PM
Killa- Waht is your thoughts on the current Scots lack of intensity when they need it the most. In years past I can remember that no one had more heart or desire in their eyes when it was cruch time. I just don't see ti in their eyes. Except for the game againest Carson- Newman.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 03, 2006, 04:38:38 PM
The players coach has recruited in last three years don't have that Killer eye... I don't know what it is.. The Carson Newman game is not a good indicator because its a rivalry game. Where is the fight against Fisk at home??? The fight against Transy?? Its hard to recruit hungry players. Its not Coach Lambert's fault.. In order to come to Da Ville in some shape or form you have money.. I say about 95% of the kids coach has to recuit from are financially stable.. Its tough to motivate kids like that...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on July 03, 2006, 08:42:24 PM
Killer,

I'm curious as well in regards to the Miami guys you say are going to LaGrange... could you give us some more specifics?  It seems to me that the Lions are going to be pretty tough... do these two or three guys make the Panthers tougher than the Lions?

Also, for any of you Maryville posters... would Lambert ever consider playing both big guys together?  I know Lambert loves his 4 out, 1 in motion... would he consider playing more three out, two in since next years roster appears to be thin on the perimeter while he has the two best big men in the GSAC?

Any word on Huntingdon recruits?  Or LaGrange recruits, in addition to the 2 or 3 possible Miami boys?  Coach Haynes, do you care to enlighten us?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 04, 2006, 10:38:51 AM
Good to see you back Killer.  The Scots biggest hurdle is themselves.  First and foremost, none of the three players mentioned have the intangible statistic it takes to be the ultimate Fighting Scot like the past ten years of players had.  Yes, we have the two best big men in the conference but they both want to play on the perimeter.  Bo Mason "would and could" be the best point guard in the conference but continues to not get the people around him involved where he is scoring less and his teammates are scoring more and the Scots are winning big.  When this happens he will have more big games like he wants, but he needs the instant gratification.  He cannot play the 2 spot.  He cannot defend there, mainly because he has to defend a guy coming off more screens than a point guard and he does not like contact along with having to worry more about rebounding as well.  The point is his position, he just has to learn how to run the team and stick with the system when the game needs the system the most instead of jacking it 6 seconds into the shot clock.

You can't play the big men together, then coach struggles with an inside presents because they both want to be out on the floor and want the other to be inside.  Neither one are good defenders, but both can be if they want to, bobby plays behind and blair gambles and fouls to much.  neither one will rebound, and you can't afford to have both men in the game and not get back in defensive transition.  Again, the intangibles the things that are not on a stat sheet.

Colincondi, the reason that I would pick LaGrange over Piedmont, also the intangibles.  Piedmont... to pretty, not hard nosed enough, watch them warm up, I keep coming back to that, but that are so cool when they warm up before a game, it is very obvious that they are a soft team physically and mentally.  I don't blame them totally, those are the type of things that a coach has to put a stop to, also how much tape do the other teams in the conference watch, it seems as though not very much.  LaGrange plays their butt's off.  they just need to learn a system and learn it well, and be more efficient.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 04, 2006, 12:41:12 PM
intangibles plays such a big part of a winning season, does the ball bounce your way when you need it to or do your guys go down to the floor and get it,  I think a lot of these guys wait for the ball to bounce their way when they learn to go get it things will look up for them  b/c they do have one of the best frontcourts in D3 potentially

I agree with Lil RB on the piedmont LC comparison, LC has always played hard, they have just needed a little bit more talent to stick around for four years and Piedmont always tries to win by getting the most talented guys possible and not the best chemistry or mix of guys.  in general, D3 is not a pretty boys game, it is hard nosed, tough basketball and usually Da Ville has been tougher than all of the other GSAC schools and that toughness goes back over 10 years ago when lambert was building his current trend of success with guys like Dee Bell and John Vaughn
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 05, 2006, 08:32:47 AM
LilRB your the man.. You could not have put it any better.. Liabilities on defense with 3 of your top players will not get it done for the big games.. Hopefully they will dedicate themselves this summer???
  Since I am a straight shooter I will say it like this: Fisk is year in and year out the best team in the GSAC but coaching is TERRIBLE at Fisk making them conteneders but sooner or later you know the wheels will fall off.... At Piedmont great kids, good players, don't know about their philosophies on defense and personal... Makes them an average team.... Huntingdon good system will always be a team to watch out for.. Coaching staff does a great job of getting it done with what it has...
  Lastly my surprise team of the year in the GSAC the LC Panthers.. Coach Haynes is a player coach and in my 3 years of playing and watching GSAC ball has been a player away from being the best team in the GSAC.. I mean that.. I think the potential recruits he has coming in WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE!!!!
  LilRB we are getting close to season time... I am excited!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 05, 2006, 09:12:19 AM
Actually Lil Rib is always in season, didn't you all see him on ESPN this weekend, granted he was a distant 3rd in the hot dog eating contest, but he is still a perennial all star in the MLE (major league eating).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on July 05, 2006, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: colincondi on July 03, 2006, 08:42:24 PM
Also, for any of you Maryville posters... would Lambert ever consider playing both big guys together?  I know Lambert loves his 4 out, 1 in motion... would he consider playing more three out, two in since next years roster appears to be thin on the perimeter while he has the two best big men in the GSAC?

Lambert used to always run a 3 out 2 in, with a post occasionally drifting to the perimeter.  He even ran 3 out 2 in with Matt Ennen at MC.  I think he recently went away from it with Bobby and Bradley b/c I dont think they are the best at kicking the ball back out to the open perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 05, 2006, 02:50:03 PM
He can't go 3 out 2 in because we have not had a 4 man who could post for 3 years now!! Bobby in my opinion is a great passer off the block now Bradley Blair on the other hand once it goes in its coming out!!!
  Very few Josh Tummels in the program!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 06, 2006, 03:02:15 PM
You are right Killer, season is slowly, but quickly approaching.  See you there on Monday :-\    I also think you meant to say once it goes inside to Blair it is not coming out.  If LaGrange had a better gym, I imagine they would get better players, everything around them is superb, except for the gym, I am sure that is very difficult to recruit to along with their history in the GSAC, not what a lot of recruits want to read about. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 06, 2006, 03:27:41 PM
Lil RB yes that is exactly what I meant...  Hopefully with the grace of God I can get out of the H%^^(&&$%$& hole I work at to get down there... I have been mad busy here...
  Well Lil RB you know where the Killer might have ended up but someone snatch him up!!! ;)

They got two and possible third kid who in my opinion would be compared to like having : Me with a consistent 3 point shot, a Walden, and a Sidney without a consistent J... But a great athlete and ballhandler at 6'5...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 06, 2006, 06:31:31 PM
Some people you cannot AFFORD to let get away, seems to me someone is always looking out for your best interest.  What have you done in the great town of maryville, to be loved so much :o  I asked a man once how he has become to be so successful and he told me that he was not a smart man, but that he always had good people around him.

Hope to see you soon ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on July 07, 2006, 08:46:43 AM
Killer,

You need to work on that defense...you got took to the rim a few times last night at MC.... :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 07, 2006, 09:47:40 AM
LilRB could not have said it any better.. That is why you always be rewarded in life... You are a good man with a great heart.. I appreciate everything you have done and I know I can count on you on anything.. Appreciate that..
  You right keep GOOD PEOPLE around no matter the price!! ;)

  Gottahaveheart you are right I did get beat to the cup a couple of times last night but I got the W a lot last night!!
  Very disappointed with the turnout last night of Scots players.. I tell you what Bo look great last night attacking the goal better and he is in great shape... That was the way he went about his business when he first got here as a freshman.. Very proud of him.. Just wish some of the other guys would take on the philosophy of YOU GET BETTER IN THE SUMMER as a player.... Bo if you read this man keep up the work on and off the court...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 07, 2006, 10:54:12 AM
If everyone on the team worked as hard as Bo there would be no 16-9 predictions, the problem is it is a team game, Bo can't do it alone, he can do alot, but why are his teammates letting him down, Bo is even working on his attitude, good for him.  His teammates need to realize that they are not only hurting themselves by not showing up but hurting Bo, it is selfish to let your teammates down.  You only get roughly 100 chances to lace em up and play D3 bball, why waste 1 of of those opportunities, if i was Bo i would make sure some of my teammates had black eyes or broken noses for not showing up
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 07, 2006, 10:59:51 AM
Killer your game looked sick last night don't listen to that, good luck in KY and watch out for the Windmill in the future
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 07, 2006, 11:29:45 AM
I appreciate the love... We would have been a kilelr tandem if we would ahve played together.. The windmill was SICK!!! All caps on sick bc it was tooooooooo nice...
   Your most definitely right on the Bo and teammate situation.. I know you would have not allowed it just like me and Sid didn't...  I hope he get to that level where the guys respect him enough they will come around
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 07, 2006, 06:30:35 PM
Thanks Killer.  The problem is that Bo has no clout, or since I can't spell he gets no respect from his teammates because of the last two years.  Yes, great Bo is working harder than ever and yes he is doing it this summer, because he is having to be there because he is in summer school.  That is so typical of you grubb to jump on the bandwagon as soon as someone starts doing what they are EXPECTED to do in the program.  It is easier to stay focused when there is no one on campus to screw with your direction.  Grubb, as far as the comment abouth Bo, hardwork, and 16-9 predicitions, he is the leader and they have been following his leadership, that is where YOUR 16-9 prediction comes from.

Killer I was going to say earlier that it is not good when someone is talking about your game in the summer that must mean that there is not enough to play, if the old man is having to come out and teach the game to some young guns.  ANYONE (Grubb) that has seen you play knows that you are not known for your defense or your shooting, just the ability to will your teams to a win like great point guards do, and also capable of making big shots, not because you are a great shooter, but because you are not afraid to shoot the big shot.

Like Killer said, hopefully he has seen the light, and is on the right path.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 07, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
Look I do not mean to step on any toes but I go to school at that other mc (Mississippi College) and since you guys are talking about point guards i figured i would talk about our point guard. I went to the second round game and watched that Bo kid get out played the entire night by both of our point guards. Especially Collins. I have had the opportunity to see Jonathan Collins this summer, (he too is attending summer school). He looks great. He averaged 11.2 points as a freshman and he led our confrence in a/to ratio last year. I'm sure that this Bo kid is a great player, but I am positive that should we meet in the tounament again we will have the better team and the superior point guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 08, 2006, 10:29:40 PM
Not at all mcplya02, I am sure that your point guard would out play our point guards as well, both of them for that matter.  However, even though Bo is not what i would consider an academic stand out, we are not a division III school that might as well be a junior college.  my goodness, look at your roster from year to year and how many stay for more than, at best, two years.  The coach at Mississippi College is trying to win a national championship the wrong way, not the D-III way.  Try and keep some guys and maybe even graduate 12-15 kids over a period of 4 years and see what it is like.  Mississippi is not worried about retention, they are worried about winning a national championship, and they are not doing that either.

By the way, you are not stepping on my toes and I hope that I have not stepped on your toes, that is just the way it is.  Plus neither of your point guards could have probably gotten into school at Maryville.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 09, 2006, 12:06:04 AM
Lil Rb you are bitter, pretty much correct about the pg comparison, guys that can defend usually win, not always, but usually, when was the last time Miss. Coll. had a player that was tough to defend for four years, i can't remember

Well unfortunately Bo is the only one that is doing what he is supposed to, they are not as talented as they think they are, Here is their response to the 16-9 predictions, "We will be fine" 
Lil Rb jump all over that statement pleeeaaaseee, could last i checked MC bball was not about being fine, it was about trying to win a conference and then a national championship, am i right Killer?
I want to see what you all think about that

Killer had two points last night in their victory in KY, pts are all they publish
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2006, 01:35:51 AM
mcplyao2, welcome to the D3hoops boards.  When the season starts, I look forward to your comments on the ASC board.

I have a little different take on the Choctaws.  I don't think that they will win the national championship because they try to play Great Lakes style basketball with talent that does not match well with the John Carroll's or Transy's or Calvin's. IMHO, they needed to play Tyler Winford more in the Transy game.  I saw the video feed of the MC-Transy game and the more physically talented and gifted MC played into Transy's style.  Had Miss Coll tried to run and played a 90-point game, I think that they would have won.  Transy only played 6 players.  I felt that Miss College was about 10-12 deep.  Miss Coll needed to get into the Transy bench!

IMHO, the best luck we (the ASC) have had in the tourney is the 2000 McMurry and the 2004 SRSU teams!  Those teams gave their opponents trouble!

I will defend Miss College's recruiting of the JuCo's.  The state of Mississippi has a different situation.  Mississippi  (http://www.utexas.edu/world/univ/state/#MI) has only 17 four-year schools in the entire state.  Tennessee has more than 40!  It is quite common for students to attend one of the local jucos prior to attending a 4-yr instution.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2006, 01:42:53 AM
Makes sense. Tennessee has almost exactly twice the population of Mississippi.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 09, 2006, 05:40:02 PM
Lil RB,
You ar eright we do recruit a lot of juco guys. However think about all the teams that recruit freshman. I think that recruiting juco players is smart because they come to the program ready to contribute immediately. Freshman are usually weaker and are not used to the college game. So if a school (i.e. Mississippi College) is able to consistanly recruit juco players i beleive that it is a smart move. And I would also like to point out that neither Jonathan Collins nor Tyler Winford went to juco. Winford led our team in scoring the past two years. And Collins averaged double digits scoring as a fresman and led the entire league in a/to ratio as a sophmore. There is nothing wrong with matching young talent with juco players. You guys should try it, you might make it past the second round.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 09, 2006, 05:48:02 PM
 Thanx for the welcome Ralph. You are correct we fell into playing transy's game. Not only offensively by playing slow but defensively. I would like to have seen MC press more. Transy's guards were allowed to bring the ball up with no pressure. We did not start defending until they were one step outside the three point line. Righ now I still do not understand it. I believe that we lost that game because of coaching. Our guys were not put in a position to succeed and it cost them the game and their season. Hopefully since Coach Jones has watched for four years he will understand that all MC has to do is press some. This will make our team a lot more dangerous come tournament time. And by the way I also look forward to seeing your comments in the upcoming year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 09, 2006, 05:56:49 PM
 Lil RB,
You are right Jonathan Collins probably cant get into Maryville. But if Bo came to MC he would have to do one of two things.
1.) Be a good student and graduate
2.) Be satisfied with being third on the depth chart for the rest of his career. Just like you think Collins cant get into Maryville, I know that Bo cant play at MC.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on July 09, 2006, 07:33:55 PM
Mississippi College went 29-2 and 25-1 in the south region, and mcplya02 is bashing the coach?  He sees Bo play one game and thinks he can make solid judgements about him?  Did he miss the first round game when Bo hit NINE 3's?  He also seems to be a huge fan of Jonathan Collins... anyone notice mcplya02's initials in his e-mail address?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2006, 08:56:32 PM
colincondi, mcplya02 is right about the alternative assessment as to what it takes the ASC to win deep in the playoffs.

The ASC has 2 tracks in the playoffs.  We can be sent west to play Texas, California and other western schools as McMurry in 2000, Miss College in 2002,  Sul Ross in 2004, and UT-Dallas in 2005 have done.  Or, we can be sent East as McMurry in 2001, Miss College in 2003, the only year that Maryville has beaten an ASC team, or Miss College in 2005 and 2006.

I think that the ASC has done best when we play the aggressive up-tempo style that utilizes 11-12 players against the set style offenses.  McMurry lost to the National Champion Calvin in 2000, to National Finalist William Paterson in 2001, and Sul Ross lost in 2004 in OT to Lawrence which took National Champion UWSP to OT, all on a neutral floor.  Other than that we just don't have the success that I would like.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 09, 2006, 09:48:12 PM
First of all who said anything about "juco players" I believe i said that Mississippi College is like a juco with their turnover in players in there program (in not so many words).  Juco players are great, but how do you continue to get so many players and be able to go 10-12 deep and keep them all happy?  Yes Tyler Winford is the best player, but because you have to keep so many people happy, he leads the team in a lot of stats, but would not lead other teams with the minutes that he plays for his own team.  Maybe if you could get some guys there for more than two years, you could build a tradition like making it to the tournament 9 straight years in a row and get your graduation rate up like the coaches and administration are suppose to be doing from the start.

No one has argued your comment about your point guards being better than bo, so quit beating a dead horse.  Please try and read the words that I type not the words that you think you are reading.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 10, 2006, 12:15:42 AM
Miss. Coll. has a pretty good tradition over the past couple of years, i will not argue that point, but i will argue the true spirit of D3 is celebrating the STUDENT Athlete, and yes it appears that could be in question in Clinton, MS.  maybe their perennial tradition has to do with their D2 football championship in the 80s, ring a bell anybody.  I just want to know where they keep getting so much talent?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 10, 2006, 01:19:10 AM
Colincondi just so you know I have a brother named Joshua, a brother named Danny and my name is Chris. And my youngest brither will graduate high school in 2008. So concentrate on talking about basdetball and not my e mail adress. it will be very well appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 10, 2006, 01:25:37 AM
Im not bashing the coach for the season I was talking about his tactics throughout the last game. Plenty people on this site feel the same way that I do about that game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 10, 2006, 01:39:26 AM
Lil RB,

You seem to be upset about the past two years. Do you want an apology? Anyway Winford led the team in scoring. Thats it. Not steals not assists, steals, blocks........
And he only averaged about 9.6 point a game. So please stop refering to him as the team's best player. Leading scorer yes but best all around player I highly doubt it. And please stop going back a decade and talk bout the present. your team has lost to my team the past two years in the national tournament. Just concentrate on getting out of confrence and making to the tounament. Hey you can go for 10 straight tounament appearances and THREE straight losses to the CHOCTAWS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcballa22jc on July 10, 2006, 10:25:29 AM
This is Jonathan Collins. I notice that some of you have been talking aobut my teammates and I. To talk about us on the court is one thing but to attack our intellegence is one thing. Remember one thing, you do not know me or my teammates. But thanks for the motivation we need it. We look forward to proving you wrong with the way we handle ourselves on and off the court. And maybe my coach recruits guys like me because colleges like yours will not give us a chance to prove that we can succeed on and off the court. Quit taking shots at us and concentrate on being a good fan for your team. I dont have to say your name because you know who Im talking to.


MCPlya02 thank you for sticking up for us we all appreciate it. To Maryville fans congratulations on last year and good luck next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2006, 11:07:59 AM
Jonathan,

Please don't make up separate handles to have a conversation with yourself. It's one of the major tenets of the Terms of Service.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 10, 2006, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2006, 11:07:59 AM
Jonathan,

Please don't make up separate handles to have a conversation with yourself. It's one of the major tenets of the Terms of Service.

Pat,

Considering that the email addresses are different, what makes you think those two "handles" are the same person.

Just curious ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2006, 12:30:05 PM
Same IP address. There's also a third e-mail address registered to that IP address which has not been used. Remember that I have access to more information than the board reveals to everyone else... and even that is covered in the TOS.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on July 10, 2006, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2006, 11:07:59 AM
Jonathan,

Please don't make up separate handles to have a conversation with yourself. It's one of the major tenets of the Terms of Service.


Busted...hahaha.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcballa22jc on July 10, 2006, 03:10:37 PM
Pat, Please do not do that. I do not understand what you are talking about. I stay in an apartment with two people. Both of whom have names on here. Both of them also use the same computer that I do seeing as though we only have one. Maybe thats why the ip adress is the same.

Thank you for your concern
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2006, 03:19:54 PM
Oddly enough, ALSO in the Terms of Service. Now might be a time to read them, folks:

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3566.0

2) DO NOT attempt to have a conversation with yourself using various handles, or create a separate persona just to have someone to back up your viewpoint. If your opinion is reasonable, somebody else will back you up. Duplicitous posts will be removed. No discussion. No arguments. I have access to the source of all posts -- I would not allow completely anonymous person to use a complex script on my server. And don't use the excuse that it's several people all using the same computer. If you're all using the same machine, then talk amongst yourselves and keep us out of it. Don't use us as your soapbox to repeatedly bash an athlete, coach, school, etc. Similar offenses involve "rolling the board" -- posting nonsense or an identical or similar message many times on one board -- or being a "troll" -- making inflammatory posts simply to incite an argument.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcballa22jc on July 10, 2006, 03:29:14 PM
Why did you say folks if you were clearly talking to  me. Look we just erased the other one. This will be the only one for this computer. My roommate will use another computer to set up an account if thats okay. Did not mean to break the rules. I really do apologize for the confusion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 10, 2006, 04:13:30 PM
mcplaya02 are you jealous that I did not say that you were the best player.  No one said that you could not excel on and off the court.  Please try and not analyze things to much, you might get your feeling hurt, and thank you for proving my point about being the leading scorer on your team would not be the leading scorer on most other teams (9.6pts/game)  He is the best all around player you have, maybe you guys should talk to the coach and get him more time. ;D  No one is taking anything away from your team except for the fact that Maryville's point guard would be third string on your squad, not sure how that is taking away, and no not upset about the past two years, no question you guys were the better team, not sure that is what all this is about.

mcballa22jc, if this is a different person, no one is attacking your intelligence, but you seem to be a little upset about  some of the comments, don't you know that it is never good to show your emotions, espically if I can see them over the internet.  Sorry for not being a good fan for my team but when players like yourself react to this nonsense like some of us know that it is, I can't help myself :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 10, 2006, 04:46:39 PM
you all need to go take care of your responsibilities and do something besides look at this board, this board is for real playas
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcballa22jc on July 11, 2006, 12:36:59 AM
Lil RB,

What is your definition of best all around player? Mine would be Timothy Broomefield. He was second on our team in scoring first in rebounds, first in blocks, and third in assists. I never get mad only motivated. Tyler is the best scorer on our team. He only averaged few points because we had 10-12 good players that would start for most teams in the country. We just used our depth to our advantage. Next year unless a miracle occurs we wont be as deep. Maybe about six to eight good players and two or three solid players. Look if we can stick to talking about basketball and leave weather or not I can get into Maryville I am sure that we can have good conversations on this message board.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 11, 2006, 08:37:28 AM
Im BACK!!! Came in 2nd place at the Pro-AM.. Played real solid and got some looks to go overseas but nothing that would make me leave the job now... Both of my possibilities were for teams from Germany.. I would start off in the second league there... By the way Jeff Gibbs who played on my team and was a DIII player at Otterbien was the best player in the Pro AM hands down.. He currently plays in Germany in the Premiere league.. Best big man I have ever seen at 6'2!! ITS CRAZY.. you got to see it to believe it...
  Well as for this Miss College player who is posting go to your conference posting and post whatever you want.. THIS IS THE GSAC!! You guys go 25-1 or whatever almost every year and end up at home like everyone else.. No doubt you guys are good year in and year out but D3 basketball is about not only being successful on the court but also off by finishing with a degree..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 11, 2006, 09:11:22 AM
Weather or not you could get in to Maryville, i think you answered that yourself, i believe, with my Maryville education, it would be WHETHER or not you could get into maryville,
good now that you settled that debate, The maryville contingent in the mountains up here are going to worry about beating you in bball this year

What about a regular season matchup with the Scots and the Chocs?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 11, 2006, 09:38:16 AM
the Weather has been quite humid lately!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 11, 2006, 11:23:39 AM
Thursday night Killer
you, me, Sid, and oh yeah need to meet up, you know i live right down the street from you, so we can ride together
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 11, 2006, 12:18:49 PM
sounds good man.. I didnt know you lived so close... just give me a holla... Wow Me, you, sid, and tummy.. Mc would have had those 4 together NO DOUBt final four....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 11, 2006, 12:47:57 PM
Killer, make sure you ride with grubb, that he is driving and that you are sitting in the back seat out of arms and hands distance.  He never was any good at man2man defense he likes to hand-check to much.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 11, 2006, 04:31:26 PM
Lil RB, i am the one who is supposed to be bitter, you broke up with me
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2006, 09:53:15 AM
The National League All Stars remind me of Fisk basketball when they play Da Ville... You just know something is going to happen and the American League will win!! Great game last night...
   LilRB August 1st!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 12, 2006, 10:54:01 AM
Killer, you are killing me.  I am going to actually have to do something with what I have this year if you keep talking me and my players up.  I saw a highlight reel on the Gibbs dude and it was really hard to believe the stuff he did at 6'2" 2OOAND A LOT.  That is a really good Piedmont class.  I believe the best part of our recruiting class will be two ineligible kids from last season.  I hate to see Dr. Glover go.  My best memory is the look on his face after our OT win at home.  He was smiling form ear to ear and chuckled after losing in a very entertaining game.  People like that make me appreciate that this is a game that you can play from the day you can walk until the day you can't walk anymore.  I hope they make a good hire.  If I didn't have the best job in the GSAC I would really be interested in that job.  Nashville is a great city, Fisk has a great heritage and they have the best alumni of all alumnae.  William Burton!

I hate the american league!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2006, 11:21:04 AM
I know what you have coming back and what is coming IN ;)... :) ;)
  I think with your style of coaching, one more year of experience, and the incoming class of recruits you better have a good year.. If you don't I am coming up there and make sure you get it done!! jk .. I got total faith in your system that this will be your year..
   Jeff Gibbs is truly amazing!! And so were all my teammates in the Pro-Am..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 13, 2006, 02:17:35 PM
I like and support President O'Leary's decision to leave the GSAC. 

Thanks for the kind words Coach Haynes.  You should apply for the Fisk Head Coaching job.  I'll put in a good word for you  :D.

Scottiedoug and Old Lion I love you guys.  You have been voices of reason in this GSAC wilderness for some time now.  Although we have agreed to disagree on a number of important issues of late, you both have been class acts and have represented your respective institutions (Maryville and Piedmont) very well. Best wishes with you two now that the GSAC is down to 4 men's teams. 

I'm out of here (posting on the GSAC Board).  You'll see me post from time to time on the other d3hoops.com boards, if Pat Coleman (out of the kindness of his large heart) will let me :D.

Good bye y'all  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 13, 2006, 04:47:04 PM
Wilburt's last post could be the beginning of the end of the GSAC as we know it.  Think about this....the men's teams have 6 conference games on a 25 game schedule.  This just further strengthens our position that our south region games are more important than our conference games.  Just doesn't seem like that is the appropriate place for emphasis. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 13, 2006, 06:05:07 PM
very well could be, but there was a fisk maryville rivalry before the gsac and there will be one after, its not competition, just location, natural rivals

I think the 4 remaining schools look attractive to another conference to get picked up but that is just me
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 13, 2006, 07:14:48 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on July 13, 2006, 06:05:07 PM
very well could be, but there was a fisk maryville rivalry before the gsac and there will be one after, its not competition, just location, natural rivals

I think the 4 remaining schools look attractive to another conference to get picked up but that is just me

I think that you are right Matt!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on July 13, 2006, 11:01:55 PM
Any idea who's in line for the Head Coaching position on the women side?

Dee resigned today to go to Reinhardt.

Any comments?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 14, 2006, 08:08:04 AM
The Scots family continues to lose good coaches but great people.. Coach Bell is the second coach to leave in months.. The first was coach Beaty who was a 4 year vet on the sidelines with Coach Lambert.. Maryville College wants to be considered as an elite athletic program but are not willing to pay coaches the way they should..
  Coach Bell will do great!! He is an excellent recruiter, coach but most of all PERSON!! Its all about people...
  Whoever is picked to Coach the Lady Scots will have a great situation to start at.... Congrats Coach Beaty and Coach Bell for great things to come...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 14, 2006, 08:56:59 AM
WOW, saw him last night, did not hear anything about that, good for him, can't ever get mad at somebody for getting more money, way to go DEE
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 15, 2006, 10:10:25 AM
the grubby one is in MIA, i am meeting up with the real Matt Grubb tonight, unfortunately President Chaney went back to da ville 3 days ago.

I love Bobby Golden!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 16, 2006, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: wilburt on July 13, 2006, 02:17:35 PM
I'm out of here (posting on the GSAC Board).  You'll see me post from time to time on the other d3hoops.com boards, if Pat Coleman (out of the kindness of his large heart) will let me :D.

Good bye y'all  8)

William, say it aint so, my friend. The collective viewpoint of this message board is going to be way too one sided without your input. Fisk is still going to be playing all the GSAC schools. IMHO, you still need to stick around and put in your two cents worth.

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed an interesting trend? I knew we had several studs returning and a good recruiting class coming in ... but man, I can't believe the fear that is apparently sweeping through the GSAC. First, Lambert tries to leave for UT, then  Duckworth tries to leave for Tuskegee, then Glover resigns, then Fisk pulls out entirely ... is Coach Haynes the only one not panicking and heading for the hills in the face of the power that is rising in the North Georgia mountains?  :o

But seriously, William, all BS aside ... I don't think Fisk being out of the GSAC really changes things that much as far as men's basketball goes. Since the GSAC didn't have an automatic bid anyway, all South region games were and are just as important as the GSAC games in determining if any of us gets to the post season. So as long as we all continue to play each other, and I hope we do, I think you should continue to participate and favor us with your comments and insights.

I certainly hope Piedmont and Fisk keep playing. I always enjoy our trips to Nashville ... and this year, I really like our chances to get a W or two. I know, I thought the same thing last season ... but, hope springs eternal ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 16, 2006, 09:33:36 PM
Your school doesn't have to be a member of the conference for you to post here. You sure don't need my permisison. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 17, 2006, 10:48:51 AM
wilburt only gives love to some but not all... I thought we were closer than that WILburt... ;)
  Fisk will be fine.. Hopefully a couple of years of rebuilding and they will join a conference ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 18, 2006, 09:34:36 AM
article on Dee Bell and his new coachign position... I wish him the best of luck.. He is going to do big things at RC!!

Here is the article: http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/261365
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 18, 2006, 10:15:48 AM
Dee Bell is a class act all the way and a great guy
I have said it before that he was the final determining factor for me to come to maryville and it lived up to all of the hype.  Thanks Dee and good luck

Don't think we will cheer for you if you schedule the lady scots though
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 18, 2006, 10:22:42 AM
Grubby one how was the MIA?? Hope you had a good time...
Job opening for the ladies you taking it Grubby??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 18, 2006, 01:47:42 PM
no, i could not handle a pay raise
i think wilburt should throw in on that one
The Grubby one and matt grubb had a good time, Grubb is an account for a resort in Key Largo, rough life, we had fun in the Grove
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 18, 2006, 03:40:15 PM
good for you... hey lunch this week?? Give me a yell next time you hoop somewhere
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 19, 2006, 12:06:08 PM
hey guys im back again.  I have been gone for weeks but is what I am hearing true.  Did Fisk leave the GSAC for bigger and better things?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 19, 2006, 01:12:42 PM
i would not call it bigger and better things
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 19, 2006, 04:50:07 PM
thursday night 7:30 daddeigh will be in the building....Are you ready?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 20, 2006, 10:47:13 AM
Open gym today at the Cooper athletic building ??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 20, 2006, 12:35:41 PM
wide open

spencer beaty back on the board, where have you been, and i still that pic of you in my office b/c you are a role model
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 20, 2006, 03:22:08 PM
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/7_20_06_HBB%20record.htm

defense wins championships.
hopefully they won't beat my scots anymore b/c it upsets me, but congrats to the hawks
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 22, 2006, 11:12:39 AM
Nice article from the Daily Times.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/261573
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 23, 2006, 07:04:56 PM
That article had what I thought was a lot of inside information.  It certainly opens the discussion....are we better or worse as a conference without Fisk? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 23, 2006, 08:31:40 PM
Coach Haynes, I hope you summer is going well.  Scottiedoug opened up a good thread on the USAC board last weekend.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4195.1478

Additional pertinent posts include these:

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4195.1470

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4195.1480

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4195.1483

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4195.1490

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4195.1493

and others.

I really would like to see the GSAC move en bloc into the USAC South Division.

Might this merger allow Shenandoah gracefully to move to the CAC for geographic considerations?  (And possibly CNU?  Isn't D3 about not missing class time?)  I see the USAC's northern tier as being vulnerable to shake-up occurring in and because of the the Landmark ("Interstate-7") Conference and Capital AC.  The women's divisions maintain good solidarity as competitive units.  It is the men's programs that need to merge.

The ASC has dealt with the uncertainty of members leaving (University of Dallas and Austin College specifically and even a Texas Wesleyan who took one look at D3 on their way out of D2 on their way to the NAIA) by getting big.  I think that the USAC would be smart to take the entire GSAC and operate with anywhere from 8-10 Women in the north and all 7 GSAC in the South.  And, 5-7 men in the North and all 4 (GSAC) in the South.

Then you have at least 8 football teams as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 24, 2006, 04:00:44 PM
Speaking of football...LC opens at MC Sept. 2 and I expect nothing but good ole TN hospitality for my trip to watch a milestone in my alma mater's fine 176 year history. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 24, 2006, 04:09:42 PM
Killer, let's not forget about Placeres, whom I believe left with Beaty to reenergize  the Highlanders of GP (are you with me).  I believe the cornerstone is still there, but the heart might have gotten smaller with the big 3 (Bell, Placeres, and Beaty)looking to create their own coaching legagcy.  Of course, Bell has a head start on that with 5 years of college coaching and 5 years to the big dance.  Best of luck old friend, you deserve it as much as anyone, we all know that you will do well.  Stay tough early and it will pay off in the end.

I see that Coach Haynes (the only coach in the country still on a message board) is back.  Hey Coach Haynes, CJR says to shut the hello up, and do something productive.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 24, 2006, 04:20:54 PM
Coach Haynes any updates on your recruits?? Congrats on your school participating in Football .. You have a shot at beating us!! Suggestion to your defensive coordinator we run, run, run and on 4th and 30 we run up the middle... Favorite Play "Draw" just kidding but we do run a lot..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on July 24, 2006, 04:35:16 PM
Killer,
Such harsh words about the football Scots. Apparently you did not notice the air connection between Price and JJ last season. Do not count out the Scots before the season. They have been working hard and have plenty of upper classmen returning. It would be great if the football program got the same amount of student body support that the B-ball team gets, but I know that comes with proving that you play hard and win in the crunch.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 24, 2006, 06:42:25 PM
yeah fan support is usually earned or you could recruit some really hot girls to kick the field goals and i would never miss a game and show up in body paint,
Beaty and placeres are going to start a dynasty in gburg, one team of 15 players that come from 2 different families, i love the mountain people
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on July 24, 2006, 06:54:02 PM
Mr. Grubb,
If you start showing up in body paint MC would probably lose fans. Either that or they might all go blind.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2006, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: Highlander on July 24, 2006, 04:35:16 PM
Such harsh words about the football Scots.

The football Scots are pretty decent and I stated publicly they would outperform their conference coaches poll prediction last year. Think they will do the same this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 25, 2006, 07:59:16 AM
I don't think JJ will be coming back and that means Run run run PUNT!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 25, 2006, 02:16:50 PM
talk foosball on the foosball board, this is the game where the small schools can compete with the big schools for one night and we play more than one game a week
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 25, 2006, 03:38:01 PM
let them know matt grubb!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on July 25, 2006, 06:18:33 PM
This is the last post I will add to the Basketball section. In my post regarding football, in no why did I insult or say anything that is even disrespectful in regards to the Maryville B- ball program. The true intent of my post was simply to say that I know how great the B- ball support is, and I realize two things- (1) that type of support is always a positive for the program and (2) that I realize that to gain that type of support then the program must work hard and prove to be competitive.

P.S. I find it disheartening that supporters of Maryville can not be supportive of all the sports no matter what they are or their win lose records. We all know the time and effort that the players and coaches put into their programs.

Good Day
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 25, 2006, 11:07:39 PM
Highlander: You are a bit sensitive, aren't you?  I could not find whatever post it was that ran you off the bball board.  If you want to post about bball, by all means stick around.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 26, 2006, 09:27:26 AM
don't be run off, we still support the football program, i still go to alot of the games, i am not a crazy committed fan b/c they are not that committed to themselves and that has always been their problem, they don't work as hard as they think they do, hard work breeds quiet confidence and that is something that has never come from that program and it is that quiet confidence that attracts fans
i think they are doing better and i am excited about the upcoming season but they still have a long way to go before they start getting the respect that they want, remember lambert has been to 8 straight NCAA tourneys, well that is cool and people are crazy about it, but he has been there 26 years, trust me, all of it has not been gravy and the football program needs to know that it all starts small, Lamberts streak did start at 1 trip and has worked its way up so they need to work harder and good things will come
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 26, 2006, 04:35:29 PM
GSAC talk is taking over all message boards... GSAC rules!! jk...  Wilburt is still upset at something but hey thats a normal thing for a Fisnk alumni.. They will always be mad at Maryville for dominatingthem in EVERY SPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 26, 2006, 10:48:49 PM
Our neighbor, who is also my wife's best friend, is a LaGrange alum.

She brought me the LaGrange College Columns Summer 2006 magazine which features the football team.

She is excited about the football team, too.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 27, 2006, 09:00:10 AM
Just a copy of what I posted on the USAC(aka. the new GSAC board).

Fisk's departure was an all sports except basketball thing not any particular school or personal vendetta.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 27, 2006, 03:12:55 PM
well the next personal vendetta is against coach haynes and lagrange
watch out
we are going to start with a football game and carry it right on through Men's Basketball with a halftime 1 on 1 battle between lambert and haynes should be a good game, both tall and thin, Lambert shoots a monster hook
coach haynes looks like he knows his way around the paint, how is the jumper
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 27, 2006, 10:10:30 PM
Tall and thin....you are too kind.  I think the reason Maryville beats us so bad is that Coach Lambert recruited me out of HS and JUCO but I ended up somewhere else.  Nothing personal just the usual reasons kids don't choose D3.  When I visit Maryville I always look at any balls in the trophy case that are from 93-98 to see what if.....it doesn't make me wish I had attended Maryville it makes me wish that we do things the right way and build a tradition as strong Lambert's. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 28, 2006, 08:15:43 AM
the answer to all those questions IS............................
                    ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 28, 2006, 09:31:40 AM
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/7_27_06_MCTop100.htm

Check out what Randy accomplished this year as an AD, remember he is more than just a basketball coach/racist.

I think Fisk finished 101
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2006, 07:45:11 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on July 28, 2006, 09:31:40 AM
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/7_27_06_MCTop100.htm

Check out what Randy accomplished this year as an AD, remember he is more than just a basketball coach/racist.

I think Fisk finished 101

Matt, Maryville's performances in the Directors' Cup will be interesting to follow if they move to another conference.  IMHO, Maryville is the beneficiary of weak competition for Pool B bids.  The women will have AQ's this year, so the winner gets a bid, of course.  I still think that Maryville women will dominate the GSAC.

In 2005-06, Maryville Men's soccer earned a Pool B bid, made it to the Sweet 16 (tied for 9th), and earned 64 points.

The women earned a soccer Pool B bid, lost in the first round and tied for 33rd for 25 points.

In basketball, the men lost at Mississippi College in the 2nd round (tied for 17th) and earned 50 points.   The women lost in the 2nd round to DePauw as well (17th place for 50 points).

I will be interested to see how Maryville will do if they enter the USAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on July 29, 2006, 06:07:07 PM
Ralph,
I think history has shown that many of Maryville's prgograms would do quite well in the ODAC.  Obviously, it's a tougher league than the GSAC.  tHowever, he Men's soccer team that you mentioned beat USASAC champ and perenial power Greensboro twice last year including the first round NCAA tournament game.

The basketball team may not have won the USASAC 8 straight times if it were in that league (as it recieved 8 straight at large/pool B bids), but it probably would have won 5 or 6 titles over that span. 

Maryville basketball is able to recruit because they have a proven road to the tournament.  Other programs such as men's and women's soccer, who have been very good but not great for a long time (3 tournament appearances each), would recieve an instant recruiting boost if Maryville joined a conference like the USASAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 29, 2006, 07:47:48 PM
scotswin,

I am not suggesting that the Maryville tradition will wane.  IMHO, the Maryville men's basketball team is the only thing that has kept Pool B from being "totally bumbling" over those 8 years.  With the USAC going 0-5 in the NCAA playoffs in the last 5 years  (including a real gem of a game with Lincoln and CNU in 2006) I can imagine Maryville doing as well as you say.  As for the other teams that you mentioned,  I checked the scores from last year's men's soccer team and saw that they lost to UT-Dallas 3-1 (ASC T-3rd) on a neutral pitch and defeated UOzarks 1-0 (ASC T-3rd) at Maryville.

I really hope that the whole GSAC moves into the USAC.  I think that Huntingdon and LaGrange will make the USAC a stronger football conference.  The larger USAC might even make it a type of "super" conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 31, 2006, 01:44:02 PM
i would like to see this super conference formed so i could see Randy dominate it
go Scots baby,
by the way, football season is so close i can smell it, not that i am a huge football fan or anything, but that means that midnight madness is close

Go scots baby
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 03, 2006, 07:17:23 AM
Matt Grubby I dont know about our Scots this year.. This summer has not been a typical " Oh I can´t wait for this season type of feeling" but maybe its just me... I hope they put it together this season..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 03, 2006, 01:44:04 PM
Hey all, just randomly stopping in and catching up on the last month or two of posts I never read...

Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 28, 2006, 08:15:43 AM
the answer to all those questions IS............................
                    ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha

You are one seriously funny guy.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 03, 2006, 02:30:45 PM
I was actually being serious ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 03, 2006, 02:35:16 PM
the killer is the answer, i think you are right killer, they have a lot of good tools, but a lot of good tools does not make a good carpenter
Randy will piece them together and make them work
There is some definite "i want to be committed" attitudes in the gym and some guys who work hard, but
it is not a typical summer you are right
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 03, 2006, 02:48:29 PM
Grubby with all due respect to Daddy Lambert the Scots need some sort of ENERGY FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something that requires a spark of inspiration and motivation!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 03, 2006, 04:20:32 PM
Killer, Grubby, and whomever else knows the Scots, doesn't the fire have to come from a player or several?  If so, who among them can provide it?  If not, where do we find the matches?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 04, 2006, 12:33:15 PM
well, it is best when that spark comes from your best player like a Chris housewright or a point guard like the killer, b/c the point guard has the ball, he controls who gets it and everyone wants it
Blair can do it, he did it once last year against CN
Mason wants it, can he sell it to the others is the question
Bobby is working harder and is unstoppable, if he wants it then it is on
if they all work together that would be ideal

I will tell you who has it though, Kendall Wallace, he has the intensity, fortitude, charisma, intelligence, perseverance, and desire to get it done, he is a brave and a descent man

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 04, 2006, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on August 03, 2006, 02:30:45 PM
I was actually being serious ;D
Hmmm... interesting does that mean that the answer is to kill you? or for you to kill the GSAC?  ??? :D :P

Please share with us oh wise and beautiful vessel of life's answers....  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 07, 2006, 07:30:01 AM
To kill me ?? Don´t get it... Have they signed a women´s coach yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 07, 2006, 11:56:39 AM
 :D Oh man... okay... Basically, you said that you were the answers to all the questions. I thought that was funny. You said you were serious. Since I only know you as "GSAC Killer" all I know is that you somehow relate to the GSAC and killing... was "just trying to figure out" which of the two possible solutions were the answers to all the questions....

And if it was ever funny before (probably not), it's definitely not funny now!  :-[ :P
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 07, 2006, 12:16:37 PM
look diehard fan
someone with a myspace page does not determine what is and what is not funny, ok
here is the deal, we will handle the gsac and you try and handle whatever it is that you try to on myspace, ok pumpkin

The killer is the answer

Killer i will be in Miami again this weekend with the grubby one
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2006, 01:10:40 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on August 07, 2006, 12:16:37 PM
someone with a myspace page does not determine what is and what is not funny, ok

But the guy with the minus-26 karma, that's the expert, right? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 07, 2006, 02:09:38 PM
Thanks Pat.  :P

Matt, you're right. Given my karma, which is well over 100, and my almost 4000 posts, it should have been obvious to me that I know nothing about basketball or humor.  ::)

You can be in charge of lame insults. GSAC Killer should definitely be in charge of humor on this board. Given your skills in manners, grammar, and punctuation, and other important things, I'd be wary of leaving you with a task as important as board humor!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 07, 2006, 03:18:09 PM
My fault diehard!! Now I get it.... I will take on the job of humor points.. As of right now you are in the lead my friend...

  Grubby one I know the real reason your going to the MIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 07, 2006, 03:32:28 PM
I guess i just don't have time to be online all day, i must have people who actually like to see me
and about the karma, If i have that many haters i must be doing something right

Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate-Silky Johnson
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 07, 2006, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on August 07, 2006, 03:18:09 PM
As of right now you are in the lead my friend...

;) :-*

I dunno if I should be in the lead though, as the namer of the judge, I don't want to be accused of nepotism.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 08, 2006, 07:28:46 AM
Grubby one I got your message when I woke up this morning coming to work.. How was the OG? When are you going to Miami?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 08, 2006, 08:38:15 AM
ball was good last night
we needed you a good pg last night, know any, you are going to have to pick it up in my absence, i will not be there for the next week, so make it hot



I am going to Miami on friday coming back monday night
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 08, 2006, 11:31:52 AM
Killer and Grubby:  I do not mind knowing where y'all are going etc. but you do know that you can communicate privately with each other on D3Hoops.com....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 08, 2006, 11:43:53 AM
thanks for letting us know... We own th GSAC board so we do as we please!! jk :) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 08, 2006, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on August 08, 2006, 11:31:52 AM
Killer and Grubby:  I do not mind knowing where y'all are going etc. but you do know that you can communicate privately with each other on D3Hoops.com....

Good point, Scottie ... great minds think alike ... I have been having similar thoughts for awhile now.

Killer and Grubby: Expounding on Scottie's line of reasoning ... cell phones would also be a possibility ...   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 08, 2006, 03:52:24 PM
we have all that but we post it publicly thinking maybe some of you will catch on and then you can be cool too or you can keep spending your time on myspace, do as you please
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 08, 2006, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on August 08, 2006, 11:31:52 AM
Killer and Grubby:  I do not mind knowing where y'all are going etc. but you do know that you can communicate privately with each other on D3Hoops.com....

They like to try to leave them tips about where they are going to be in a public setting for their posse of 84 yr old women stalkers. :D

Matt, seriously, chill. What's up with the myspace animosity? Those guys have probably never even been there... it's not that important of a website.

Hmm... actually, now that I think about it... Tell the truth.... did you have one of those stupid myspace relationships and get dumped??? Enquiring minds... don't really care.  :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 08, 2006, 10:13:33 PM
unfortuantely I did not have a myspace relationship, but i do get off the computer from time to time to go out and have relations, care to try, you can send me a personal message that no one else can read and then we can e-date, i am down
And what is wrong with 84 year old women, i know some that are huge murvul basketball fans
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 08, 2006, 10:18:14 PM
All hating aside, I do have to give mad props to a girl that loves D3 bball, that is very respectable so i will not hate on you anymore and i did see your myspace page and it was very tasteful, so good job, now i will not hate on you anymore, i will even be nice to you if you will convert to being a murvul fan
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 08, 2006, 10:26:25 PM
I'm sorry, I could never be with a guy who doesn't believe in any sort of punctuation besides commas.  ;D :P

And what? You can't call for a truce, I'm having too much fun.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 08, 2006, 11:35:10 PM
i was not calling for a truce, i was just stating how i was going to act in the future, your behavior is up to you, but i am sure it will be interesting
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 09, 2006, 02:35:02 AM
As an apparently visitor of my myspace page, you may have realized that I am a Christian. I intend to act Christianly... and reserve my good-natured spunk for someone else.  ;D

I feel significantly less apprehension than I did yesterday, about people thinking that you represent Transy. :)

You still need to use some other punctuation besides the comma though.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 09, 2006, 08:05:56 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on August 08, 2006, 10:18:14 PM
I do have to give mad props to a girl that loves D3 bball,

Girl?  Apparently you've never met this girl.  ;D

Quote from: diehardfan on August 09, 2006, 02:35:02 AM
You still need to use some other punctuation besides the comma though.  :P

At least he isn't typing all his posts in ALL-CAPS.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 09, 2006, 10:52:16 AM
Soon this will pass, as will football, and we can do some basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 09, 2006, 11:33:52 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on August 09, 2006, 10:52:16 AM
Soon this will pass, as will football, and we can do some basketball.

Well said, Scottie.

How's your recruiting class looking?

Does it look like any of them will be able to crack the starting line-up ... or at least the top 7 or 8?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 09, 2006, 01:16:24 PM
MC recruiting class average at best.. Its becoming harder for Coach Lambert finding quality players.. Cost of school is toooooooo much!!
MC has 3 above average players in Bobby, Bradley, and BO. Everyone else is suspect at what they can do...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 09, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on August 09, 2006, 01:16:24 PM
MC recruiting class average at best.. Its becoming harder for Coach Lambert finding quality players.. Cost of school is toooooooo much!!
MC has 3 above average players in Bobby, Bradley, and BO. Everyone else is suspect at what they can do...

Personally, I like Holliday also. IMHO, very effective role player.

So, given that you are not that impressed with some of  the current guys ... which of the new guys do you see making a significant impact?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 09, 2006, 01:51:34 PM
i like holiday too, but he is a role player, you have to be able to get those guys that are studs for these role players to compliment and that is the recruiting problem

I don't really see any new guys who have been there getting any real playing time, but maybe some of the guys who have not been there yet will

I think Q and Bowers will see a lot of time at the wings and Chris Orr will see a lot more time
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 09, 2006, 03:35:47 PM
Got an update on some recruiting news within the conference.. Both of the kids I had brought up about attending LaGrange will be headed to a school in Atlanta...  Big blow for LaGrange and good thing for Da Ville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 09, 2006, 04:03:04 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on August 09, 2006, 03:35:47 PM
Got an update on some recruiting news within the conference.. Both of the kids I had brought up about attending LaGrange will be headed to a school in Atlanta...  Big blow for LaGrange and good thing for Da Ville

Who are you talking about Killer? Where are they going to school?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 10, 2006, 12:10:21 AM
Quote from: Old School on August 09, 2006, 08:05:56 AM
Girl?  Apparently you've never met this girl.  ;D

I have abolutely no idea whatso ever what this means?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 10, 2006, 08:50:28 AM
Both are my kids who didn´t like Da Ville so I was trying to find them in place... One is a Point Guard and the other is a 6´6 post player... They are going to an NAIA school I believe.. The point guard is the real deal he is just 5´8 but can flat out play...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 10, 2006, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on August 10, 2006, 12:10:21 AM
Quote from: Old School on August 09, 2006, 08:05:56 AM
Girl?  Apparently you've never met this girl.  ;D

I have abolutely no idea whatso ever what this means?
It means you look like a man
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 10, 2006, 11:33:08 AM
I do... I look remarkably like bruce willis....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 10, 2006, 12:56:47 PM
So Killer:  The cost of MC has been pretty high for a while and there have been some pretty good players there...what's new that makes recruiting harder??  And you seemed to like especially the big man from Miami who is coming in...no more?

Have you seen the other newbies play?  Can MC's "average" players make an above average team?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 10, 2006, 02:42:55 PM
yes they can, they have a great coach, but it is easier with better players, there are still some players in the system that could develop and become better and lambert will help those players reach their full potential, this is one of Lamberts strengths, player development
Piedmont is a great example of a school that just tries to bring in talent and not develop the talent they have to its full potential, i can list a handful of players that Lambert has brought in and they were not instant players but by the end they were all gsac and even POY (josh tummel)
Carson Newman is another great example of a program that tries to get the most talent possible and expect talent to carry them and that is hard to do
as a matter fact CN's former assistant told me one time, "you guys at maryville are all about trying to teach your guys how to play together and stuff"  great quote for Lambert, i took it as one of the greatest compliments old Randall D could get
I think the scots will be a quality team this year, but we are used being really good, so that is the difference between our expectations for this year and past years
There is no question that Bobby Golden is the best player on the floor whenever he is out there, the problem is he can only do it for a limited time, if he could do it for 27 minutes a night, there would be no worries about this season, but right now it looks like he can only do it for about 15 minutes a night and that is about half of what the scots need.  I hope Bobby gets in shape b/c if he does then Pat Coleman will have to seriously consider him to be the first Murvul Scot on a D3hoops all america squad.
Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 11, 2006, 10:54:46 AM
Mr. Grubby:
I guess you cannot predict what would motivate someone to put in the work it takes to get all you can out of your body and talent.  I hope I would put in the time and effort if I had the opportunity BG has, but it is easy enough to think you know what you would do....

I certainly think you are right about RDL's history of making players better than they think they are.  The quote from the CN guy is a great compliment!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 11, 2006, 12:52:14 PM
Bobby Golden only has one thing he needs to work on for the next 8 weeks to get ready for the season
STAMINA!!!!!!!!!
I hope he knows his teammates are counting on him to get in shape so they can be as successful as they can be
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 14, 2006, 11:58:14 AM
If Bobby could get to the level wher he can play at full force for 3o minutes a game we are talking 22ppg and 8-9 rpg.. In my opinion he is that good but his work ethic is not that GOOD!!

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 15, 2006, 03:22:07 PM
well, he still has a little time, we will see, i think one advantage these college kids have today is Mich Ultra, they can still drink the beer with less carbs, it is an unfair advantage
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on August 17, 2006, 10:31:39 AM
Bobby will be ok.  He just needs to run a little more.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 18, 2006, 12:06:01 PM
The grubby one is back with a suntan
Things are starting to pick up at maryville as the football team is back and they have some stud running back which is good and guess what for some reason they want Bobby Golden to play tight end, go figure, fortunately for the bball team Bobby is too lazy.

The freshman get their on thursday and the returning players who have been there all summer are in good shape.  Oh i can't wait for football season to start b/c that means bball season is just around the corner

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 24, 2006, 01:15:25 PM
well the freshmen are on campus today, so hopefully we will know who actually showed up at maryville this year, heard rumors of some late committments and enrollees at this point so we will see who pans out
I think randy was really looking for a solid pg to add to his roster this year hopefully one of them works out but who knows, it is now officially the preseason and not the off season anymore
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 25, 2006, 09:29:21 AM
A little article on The Killer... Pre Season is here and before you know it the Season will be to... A couple of key transfers might have just fallen on Randy's lap but will see if its true...
Matt Grubby when I grow up I want to be like you...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 25, 2006, 10:26:10 AM
killer you are officially a grown man
give us an update on what you and Lil RB have found in the mountains up there
I think they gotten up xmas morning and found some presents they did not expect in maryville, now let's see if they make it through the season
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 30, 2006, 09:53:48 AM
Since this has become officially the slowest time of the year on this board, I would like to point out that the scots had all of their expected guys show up, some of them have already left school, but hey at least they showed up.  If anyone shows up to the football games you can see the freshman working on the chain gang.

Oh yeah, can't wait for midnight madness this year, i hear bobby is serving pizza at this years event
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on August 30, 2006, 05:48:13 PM
How is Bobby going to make any money, if he keeps eating all the proffit :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 31, 2006, 09:51:30 AM
Football Season is here  GO SCOTS!!! I predict a 4-6 season....
Leave Bobby alone you guys know he has put in the time thissummer to get better and lose some weight... He will be the player of the year in the Conference if he does not get hurt.  Potential Starting Line-up...
  Pt Guard?, Bo Mason, Alex Bowers, Jeremy Holliday, and " The Golden Child"
  Bradley will come off the bench for major minutes along with Q.... Everyone else, will earn time during their pre-season open gyms!!! Those are great by the way..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 31, 2006, 11:30:11 AM
Some of y'all Scottie Insiders hinted around about some last minute recruits for Randall D. Lambert.  Did it happen?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 31, 2006, 03:15:18 PM
not for more than 2 days, last minute guys tend to not be as organized and therefore don't turn out they way they should
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 05, 2006, 12:22:32 PM
How about them Vols!!! and them SCOTS!!! My Canes big disappointment....

  Grubby one how are you doing?? I hollered at you this past weekend but no reply... Pre-Season is underway and the 06-07 Scots are the favorites in the GSAC....

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 06, 2006, 09:17:12 AM
killer,
Favorite what?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 06, 2006, 09:48:29 AM
Coach,
the football game was just a preview of what is to come in men's and women's bball.
I hope.

Maryville would have to be the favorite to win the gsac with what they return from a runner up team, especially since HC lost everything and the gsac lost Fisk.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 06, 2006, 11:49:25 AM
Favorites in the GSAC.. If your guys can pull through and see that they are capable of beating Maryville then you guys have a big chance of making the NCAA Tournament. You beat Maryville and dominate your schedule you have a big chance of being the first team from the GSAC to go to the big dance besides Maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 06, 2006, 02:56:57 PM
That would be a great honor if we were the first to do so.  Today is the first day of classes at LC and we will be starting practice tomorrow at 5:30am. 

I wish I could have gotten away to see the first football game but I listened to it on the internet and to be honest with you I don't know what to think of it.  I know they played hard but it is going to take some time get their skill levels elevated to their opponents' level.  First home game Saturday. 

39 days til practice
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 07, 2006, 11:59:23 AM
38 days til practice, still have not seen the freshmen at MC, i am interested, coach wgh did all of your guys show up and what about the other schools, PC and HC did all of your expected guys show up and what about any you did not expect
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on September 13, 2006, 05:45:44 PM
For those GSAC fans who have referenced articles from The Daily Times coverage of Maryville College, you may notice that links previously posted on this board are no longer valid.

It's not that we mind the links. We have a new web site, which has unfortunately required a transfer of the archives that has assigned their addresses. Our domain name is the same and the archives will be back next week we're told, but when they return they will have new values so the old links will still not work, but links posted after next week should work fine.

BTW, as has been notedbefore by several regulars I do read the board fairly often to see what people are interested in conference wide. I appreciate comments on our stories, the occasional tips I've been given, and I really, really love the posted and sent critisism. If nobody hates you in my business, you aren't doing your job right.

You won't see many posts from me, but I'll be reading.

"It is an editors job to seperate the wheat from the chaff and then see that the chaff is printed."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 14, 2006, 10:21:33 AM
It's about time the DT got a new website.  I hope it is a better one.

So what did happen at the GSAC meeting? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 14, 2006, 11:05:21 AM
welcome back to the GSAC DALE LOMAX
maryville bball looks forward to treating you poorly again
Like to see that haynes is keeping it in the family

Here is some criticism, Randy Lambert needs a final four on his resume to legitimize his iconic status
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 15, 2006, 08:40:31 AM
We plan on Dale teaching all of our kids how to shoot 40%+ from the 3 and tip dunking all missed shots.  It shouldn't be a problem.

One month until practice...for everyone that follows the rules. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 16, 2006, 08:50:37 AM
as long as no one down there figures out how to beat maryville, but beat everyone else on their schedule we will be happy
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 18, 2006, 08:58:58 AM
Everything is back to normal is East Tennessee.. The Football Scots are 1-2 and on there way to 1-3... And a possible 3-7 season like I predicted.... The Vols were put in there place this weekend.... I am so relieved life is back to normal around here...

By the way there was a Bobby Golden sighting at 3am at Taco Bell!! jk Golden for GSAC player of the year..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 20, 2006, 08:51:22 AM
Bobby Golden for president
Here is my starting five if i am Randall D. Lambert
1. Lil Samuel Coppage
2. BoBo
3. Chris "8 Mile" Orr
4.  Jeremy Holiday
5. Bobby "El Presidente" Golden

That is just me, 2 sophs, 2 juniors, and 1 senior, looks like Randy can reload year after year.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 21, 2006, 08:52:42 AM
Not so fast my friend~~~
My starting five:
Sammy
BoBo
Alex Bowers
A. Shumate
Bobby " The Tank" Golden
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 21, 2006, 11:57:08 AM
It is nice to see y'all betwen you thinking there are several players RDL could start.

Any news on who showed up new?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 22, 2006, 08:58:15 AM
no surprises, everyone we thought did, including the big boy from MIA, he may get some minutes

I think Q will really be competing for time at the 3 since he can go to the 1,2, or 3, but i think bowers will compete as well at the 2/3
it could turn out to be
Bobo
Bowers
Q
Shumate/Holiday
El Presidente Golden

All i know is that we are less than a month away and i can't wait
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 25, 2006, 01:02:35 PM
Hey Matt Grubby your Sunday league team is not the same without you.. They need you!! Hey Mr.Grubb do you think Da Ville should name something after Randy?? He probably has the most wins as a Coach in any sport in the schools history. I think it would be a nice gesture since he is getting close to 500 WINS!!

We may not all agree with his philosophies as a Coach but the Man gets it done!!!! No doubt about that..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 26, 2006, 06:27:58 AM
What is Lambert's total win number now?  Once he gets to 500 I am not letting him beat us anymore.  I think Randy Lambert Court would be a nice and justified jesture.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 26, 2006, 08:53:30 AM
i think naming anything after him would be a waste, now naming something after his wonderful parents would be a great idea and don't go naming the court too fast, Young Wesley Lambert will be there in 2 years and wait to see what he does before you go naming anything after a Lambert.

Coach, I agree with your philosophy, after 500, you should hand Randall his rear several times in Lagrange, but i don't know about beating him in Maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on September 26, 2006, 05:17:24 PM
im going with cole hairston with POY hes lookin real good right now and is ready to lead no one in the whole can guard never could and will bar none the best in the league!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on September 26, 2006, 05:21:17 PM
I am back.  When the game gets going so will I.  My MC scot starting five is
Bo Mason
Q
Alex Bowers
Jerms
Bobby
Sam and chris will get some good minutes but i question orr's toughness.  Even though Bo is really a 2 guard i think randall will stick with him at the one if bowers and Q can knock down the outside shot.  If not we might see sam starting.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 27, 2006, 08:57:25 AM
i think that is a very probable starting five and the most likely, but i think there could be some real depth off the bench by the end of the year with

Lil' Samuel
8 mile Orr
Shumate
Blair
at least the ability to go 9 deep for RDL

Bobby Golden for President
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 28, 2006, 04:35:11 PM
alright, it is getting close to october, i can already smell the work that is getting ready to take place when practice starts in just over two weeks at Boydson Baird.  We know what the scots have, now we want to know what does the rest of the gsac have.
I need updates from Allen White aka d3ball
of course the coach
Old Lion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 29, 2006, 09:02:22 AM
Alright, people it is almost October and I haven't heard any smack talk on the board yet.  I am afraid we lost more than a quality opponent with FU's departure but a quality(maybe the highest quality) poster.  We miss you Wilburt!  Another year about to start in the GSAC and again I hear people in the mist questioning whether or not Maryville will remain dominant.  Don't worry as long as there is air to breathe and basketballs that are round, MC will be very good.  Watch out for Huntingdon because they will go back to being a little more dependent on the system this year and as someone mentioned lately Cole Hairston could be an early top five nominee for POY.  Just like Allen White, you don't have to put up huge numbers to be the best player in the conference.  I wouldn't be surprised if Piedmont went 21-4 and became the first non-Maryville rep for the GSAC in the NCAA Tourney.  I think Jake Baldwin(another POY nominee) has missed two shots on us in two years.  Heavens to Betsie were are small!  Now the inside scoop on the Panthers.  We are the same people trying to do the same things only better.  That about wraps it up.  We have one freshman who is a year away but a blessing to have right now.  Everybody else has been there done that.  I am excited that we have a couple of guys who decided to apply themselves in the classroom and join us again, which helps us but ultimately helps them even more.  I often wonder about a young man who doesn't play sports in college that flunks a couple of classes.  He doesn't have the immediate punishment/negative reinforcement that eligibility can bring.  It is easy for me to see why a lot of kids don't make it through college.  Back to hoops.  Three things we will do this season(or try very, very hard to do): 1. Don't turn the ball over so gosh dang much!!!! When you go to Maryville and force 25 turnovers you can't blow it by giving it back 26 times.  UGGGHHHHH!  2. Don't give up easy opportunities defensively.  Either from poor rotations out of pressure situations, poor help D, or low post scoring.  3. Continue to hit people with many offensive options.  We have a couple guys that can shoot it a little bit better and a couple of posts that can score it a little better than the rest.  We have to be a team that is very comfortable in our roles and execute decisions to get the best shot each trip.  Not only find the open guy but find the right guy.  Sometimes the open guy is open because the other team isn't guarding him because he isn't any good(a lesson I learned as a player; I was open a lot).  There it is.  Love it or leave it.  I am going to my wife's Great-Grandmother's 100th B-day party this weekend.  It makes me take a step back and appreciate the fact that each day should be important.  Don't waste days.  Hold a door for someone today or smile at a stranger.  We all are fortunate some of us just don't know it.

By the way, I need a graduate assistant, so if anybody knows anyone please let me know.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on September 29, 2006, 01:44:14 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on September 29, 2006, 09:02:22 AM
I am afraid we lost more than a quality opponent with FU's departure but a quality(maybe the highest quality) poster.  We miss you Wilburt! 

Amen, Coach!

I hate we are not even playing Fisk. Looks like we replaced that home and home series with two road games at Christopher Newport and University of the South.  Ouch! Both of those games will be very challenging, especially if Chris Eddy is back after missing most of last season with an injury.

21-4, huh? Sounds good to me ... I hope you're right! But, I'm afraid you may be being a tad optimistic. Getting out my crystal ball, and looking at our schedule, I see ...
    9 - likely wins
    6 - likely losses &
   10 - that could go either way.

I tell you one thing that makes our schedule tough. We only have 9 home games. Looking back two years, we will only have 30 over a 3 year period. Over the same 3 year period, MC has 36, HC has 37, and LC has 25 this year and last year ... I couldn't find the previous year...

What's up with that? We have one of the best D3 facilities in the South and we can't get anyone to come play us? It's not exactly like we have been a killer road game for anyone ... I don't understand that. But then again, my wife says there is a lot I don't understand...

Should be an interesting year.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 30, 2006, 08:50:25 AM
Old lion, the only thing I can say about PC on the road is that their players seem to have a swagger in opponents gym that is hard to break.  They are a positive and enthusiastic group on the road.  It is hard to schedule in our locations in Georgia.  The new SCAC schedule has just recently screwed me and I have lost two region games.  Old lion we need you to go to a couple of open gyms and report back with detail.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 02, 2006, 11:08:32 AM
Well Maryville college has a new athletics logo and it does not include "fighting".   unfortunately this does not reflect the efforts that myself and all of my fellow "fighting scots" alumni put forth while we wore the orange and garnett.  From this point forward i will refer to myself as "fighting Matt Grubb" b/c i have not lost the fight that was in me when i was a Scot and i don't think this years team has either, no matter what some marketing firm says

Go Scots

Bobby Golden for President
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 03, 2006, 08:36:28 AM
I will also be going by "Fighting GSAC Killer".  Mr.Grubb your performance on Sunday was very much like your play in your college years! CLUTCH CLUTCH!!!!

Big disappointment on the Scots losing the Fighting but hey it is what it is.
No disrespect to Old Lion but the Lions will not go 21-6.. NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Not with the way they coach down there.. That 5 in 5 out method is TERRIBLE!!! Jake Green n Baldwin  needto play 30 minutes plus and PICK N ROLL EVERYONE TO DEATH.. If you want to win listen to the Killer!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 03, 2006, 12:33:59 PM
word, the lions have always had talent, maybe a more traditional system would help them get better results, if i had those two, i would make sure they were in shape to play 35 minutes a game, they are much more effective on the floor than the bench
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 04, 2006, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on October 03, 2006, 08:36:28 AM
That 5 in 5 out method is TERRIBLE!!!

Killer,

You know what they say about opinions ... they are like noses ( or maybe it was some other body part), everybody has one. But I have to say, I'm with you on the "5 in, 5 out" thing. To be fair, that wasn't our methodology for that long ... we really didn't do it for that many games last year ...

Having depth is definitely a good thing ... much better than not having depth. But, I'm reminded of a cliche ... "Any strength, taken too far, becomes a weakness". I think that can become the case pretty quickly when it comes to "spreading minutes democratically". IMHO, there are a lot more negatives than positives, to routinely going deep into your bench.

Sure, you have Rick Pitino, Nolan Richardson, Paul Westhead, Warren Haynes, the Grinnell coach, to name a few, who have had some success with the "Chinese fire drill" approach. But check out Pitino's recent Louisville teams ... he is trending more towards the norm lately ...

On the other side of the ledger, you have the likes of John Wooden, Mike Krzyzewski, Dean Smith, Roy Williams, Bob Knight, Jim Larranaga (George Mason), Bobby Cremins, Paul Hewitt, Tom Izzo, Billy Donovan, Bruce Weber, Jim Boeheim, Gary Williams, Eddie Sutton, etc. etc. etc. ... this list is A LOT longer!

Peruse the numbers yourself ... there definitely is a pattern. http://www.sportsstats.com/jazzyj/past/divi.htm
There are exceptions, of course, but the really successful teams tend to not go much deeper than 7 or 8 (while the outcome is in doubt) and they tend to have 3 or 4 guys at 30+ mpg, or close to it. No doubt about it, these coaches know who their horses are, and they tend to ride them as much as possible.

Coach Wooden was quoted as repeatedly telling his teams, "Gentlemen, I'll play my top eight until the game is won or lost".

So gee, let's consider ... as a basic philosophy, which group do I want to cast my lot with? No offense intended, Coach Haynes, but I'm going to have to go with the second group.

Hey guys, sorry I got long winded ... but basketball is sort of my hobby. I don't play golf ... never could get over the fact that you can't make up for lack of skill with hustle and defense.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 04, 2006, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 03, 2006, 12:33:59 PM
if i had those two, i would make sure they were in shape to play 35 minutes a game, they are much more effective on the floor than the bench

Good point, GrubbyOne. That logic is difficult to argue with. I'm betting/hoping that Coach Glenn won't find the two Jakes (or Adams or Whitlock, either) sitting next to him too often ... while the outcome is in doubt. Those four are now all experienced veterans and should be ready to step up and be the backbone of this team.

We shall see ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 04, 2006, 09:05:44 AM
Old Lion,
That is something that piedmont has lacked in years past, seasoned vets, I think Huntingdon is a great example of what seasoned vets can do in the GSAC, fortunately maryville has them every year, this year it is Bobby, Bradley, and Bo, it would include JJ if he did not get sick.  Experience means a lot in this league b/c there is usually not much of it.  So i think this could be piedmont's year to compete.

Go Scots, homecoming is next weekend and it is my 5 year reunion, oh yeah, here is my chance to get shot down again by those girls that would not talk to me in college.  But you know what, I am a real fighting scot and i will not stop until there is a victory
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 04, 2006, 10:28:14 AM
Just wanted to make a quick shout out to the Huntingdon golf team for their win at the Greensboro College Invitational this week. Way to go, Hawks!!

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061004/SPORTS/610040315/1002
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 04, 2006, 10:44:30 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 04, 2006, 09:05:44 AM
Old Lion,
That is something that piedmont has lacked in years past, seasoned vets, I think Huntingdon is a great example of what seasoned vets can do in the GSAC, fortunately maryville has them every year, this year it is Bobby, Bradley, and Bo, it would include JJ if he did not get sick.  Experience means a lot in this league b/c there is usually not much of it.  So i think this could be piedmont's year to compete.

Go Scots, homecoming is next weekend and it is my 5 year reunion, oh yeah, here is my chance to get shot down again by those girls that would not talk to me in college.  But you know what, I am a real fighting scot and i will not stop until there is a victory

I agree. I'm hoping we can follow in their footsteps this season.  

To amplify your earlier point, those vets were mostly on the floor, not the bench. Look at the distribution of minutes ...  http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/season_stats#TGBG.RES
* 3 guys between 31 and 29 mpg
* White at 26.2 mpg ... his mpg would probably have been higher had he not been prone to foul trouble
* 3 more guys between 18 and 23 mpg
* their 8th guy was at 14.5 mpg, their 9th guy (2.9 mpg) only played in 14 games
* I'm not counting Williams because he didn't play the 2nd half of the season.

And remember, HC played a good many cupcakes early. I bet if you look at the games down the stretch, the "top eight's" mpg were even higher.

Also ... good luck at homecoming. I hope your "jumper is falling", so to speak ...   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on October 04, 2006, 10:52:10 AM
Nice cool, foggy mornings and the smell of popcorn.  Its getting close. 

Killer, did you get to see the whole game on Sunday, or did you leave early.  It was funny watching Buzzball explode on each other.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 05, 2006, 07:48:48 AM
It is getting awfully close to the best time of year.  I wrote a very thorough reply yesterday morning and then my login timed out and I just didn't have the time to retype it.  This will be an abreviated version.  5 in 5 out(platooning) can be a very good thing.  As I recall John Carrol and Mississippi beat Maryville with that philosophy.  They also did it with better players than the two teams in our league that have tried it.  We slowly got away from it as the year went along.  We lost two of our top 10 to grades after 1st semester which throws a kink in the chain and not everyone was holding up their end of the bargain.  Each group is supposed to do what they do best together, that stopped working.  I feel like it did something that will help us in the long run, create group responsibility for individual mistakes or successes.  It forced some of our guys to lead their group through mistakes that weren't necessarily their fault but because someone in their group made the mistake it gave everyone the same result...a loss.  I watched a DVD on platooning from Mike Moran(JC) he does a great job with it and I think it is like anything else you do.  If you teach it, expect it and stick with it you get the results you desire. 

Where is the new Maryville logo? I can't find it.  When we adopted our new logo I wanted to change our mascot also.  I wanted it changed to the opposum because we play dead at home and get killed on the road(HA HA HA HA).  Sorry, but I watched an old Don Meyer video the other day and he butchered that joke and it was still funny.  I am guessing there are quite a few that wish he was still at (David) Lipscomb. 

It sounds like I need to make a drive to Maryville for one of these open gyms.  LC Homecoming this weekend.  If you believe in the power of prayer, pray that I don't get hurt in our alumni game Saturday. 

Go Vols!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 05, 2006, 11:07:20 AM
No I didnt stay but I heartd what happened!! Buzz Peterson players!! Congrats on the win!
Its getting close for the start of basketball... My pre-season gsac championship team is the Panthers of GA.. If they really believe in themselves hey can do it.. Its up for grabs this years trust me!!!
I got a lot of info on why the Scots could possibly no make the tournament this year but a fighting scot never talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good luck to alll
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 05, 2006, 01:49:05 PM
Fighting Matt Grub will tell you the secret to the scots this year, Bobo Mason, stop him and you stop the scots, he is there only outside threat at this point, good luck stopping him, but there it is

Not putting any pressure on Bobo, but you know between Bobby, Bradley, and JRo the interior is going to be capable of at least a descent showing between those 3, but outside of Bobo the perimeter has not shown much, the scots may feel the loss of Monte and JJ.

Go Fighting Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 09, 2006, 12:09:03 PM
The Football Scots are 3-3.. WOW!! The Vols are #8 in the country!! Things look real good in East TN.

Mr.Grubb heck of a performance this weekend in the best Adult Basketball League around. You were most defenitely clutch.. Nice to see you and the roundball seson is almost here!!

GSAC Standings: 1- Scots 2-Panthers 3-Lions 4-Hawks
Player of the Year: The Golden Child if Healthy
Coach of the Year: Randy Lambert
GSAC Champs: The Scots

By the way Mr.Grubb I was just unstoppable on Sunday... but you guys did win the ball game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on October 09, 2006, 04:00:34 PM
Darn! You mean I could see the great GSAC Killer play b-ball once again?! I'd actually pay to get in!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 09, 2006, 08:26:44 PM
MCscotsfan you just got smited for not wanting to see me play, The fighting Matt Grubb will not stand for it.
Fighting Scots Football is looking better than usual at 3-3, this will make homecoming interesting this weekend, oh as well as the fact practice starts this weekend.
Fighting Killer i like your predictions.  I too have to pick the fighting scots to win it all again this year.

I will make a crazy prediction though, the fisk bulldogs make an NCAA tourney run, probably not likely, but there chances of getting a pool C bid outside  of the GSAC is much better, just a thought

Bobby "El presidente" Golden 1st team all conference, Bobo Mason POY, lets see some other candidates for POY from the other schools
Go Fightings scots and i hope to see everyone at homecoming, I will be the drunk guy in some loafers and tight khaki pants cause i am old now and this is my 5 year reunion

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on October 09, 2006, 11:29:52 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 09, 2006, 08:26:44 PM
MCscotsfan you just got smited for not wanting to see me play, The fighting Matt Grubb will not stand for it.

Go Fightings scots and i hope to see everyone at homecoming, I will be the drunk guy in some loafers and tight khaki pants cause i am old now and this is my 5 year reunion



Mr. Grubb, if you play anything like the Killer, I'd love to see it.  8)  Maybe MC should host an alumni game for homecoming.

And darn, I thought you were going to say you were the streaker!!  ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 10, 2006, 12:06:39 PM
I appreciate it, but no one in their right mind would pay to see me play ball or streak, maybe the Fighting Killer but not me.  I gave you back the points i smited away earlier for you great post.

Do you have any news on the Lady fighting scots and their new coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 10, 2006, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on October 05, 2006, 07:48:48 AM
5 in 5 out(platooning) can be a very good thing.  As I recall John Carrol and Mississippi beat Maryville with that philosophy.  They also did it with better players  than the two teams in our league that have tried it. 

Good point.  Obviously, the better (talented and coached) your players are, the more likely any philosophy is to succeed. Like most things in life, communication and chemistry (between players and between players and coaches) are critically important.   

But back to talent ... I believe it is the differential in the talent level of your best 2 or 3 guys, versus the guys at the bottom of your top ten, that is an important consideration in determining if platooning is the best strategy. In other words, if your top ten guys are all about the same, ability-wise, platoon 'em. IMHO, that is rarely the case.

In general, I think it's best to stay away from platooning ... because (like a lot of instances in life) many basketball team's talent levels seem to conform roughly to a bell shaped curve. If that's the case, I say go with the KISS principle ... play the guys at the front of the curve as much as possible ... give most of the rest of the minutes to the guys in the middle ... and play the guys at the end of the curve rarely, like when someone is injured or in foul trouble ... or, if the outcome is decided.

So with that in mind, I would suggest something along the lines of the following, as an ideal substitution model ... This model assumes a close game ... no "garbage time" involved.

70+ mpg ... your two key players, usually your PG and your best big man or maybe your best all-around player ... you want these guys on the floor, unless there is a problem ... i.e. foul trouble or extreme fatigue

100 mpg ... four "starter quality" guys ... ideally they would be versatile enough to play a couple of positions ... depending on the match-ups, who's hot or not, etc., these guys would play 20 to 30 minutes each

  30 mpg ... two (or maybe three) key subs, depending on the make-up (talent break points) of the particular team ... depending on a variety of factors, these guys may play anywhere from "token minutes" to 20 mpg

Hey, I'm not trying to re-invent the wheel here ... I've just observed that something along these lines is what the vast majority of the top coaches do ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on October 10, 2006, 01:45:44 PM
Im telling yall keep on doubting the Hawks just like last year I think the Hawks will repeat again with senior leadership from Cole Hairston and David Sampleton is ready to step in and ready to dominate along with a great supporting cast the Hawks will win the conference AGAIN! with Cole Hairston being POY
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 10, 2006, 05:02:01 PM
Allen
who is the rest of the supporting cast, we need names and uniform numbers, come on, hit us with some info.
The Fighting Matt Grubb
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 11, 2006, 09:18:42 AM
The Fighting Killer disagrees with the Hawks fan.. It took the Hawks four years to finally have a successful season. With the loss of so many quality seniors the Hawks are at best a .500 ball club this year.

Fighting Matt Grubb what do you think of having an alumni game against the Scots?? Let me know.. I know I can get you, me, Tummell,Sidney,Nick,possibly Matt Enen,Dee Bell, Spencer, Housewright and K-Rich, Paul Reed, Montay to play..
  Let me know.. It would be good to start something like that for the years to come...
Holla at me..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 11, 2006, 10:54:53 AM
they have done it in the past and it has been alright, i would definitely do it if there was an entry fee to play and we used the proceeds to buy the scots new uniforms and included Tom Gallaher, of course.
If girl alums wanted to play we would cut them in too somehow
100 bucks a person, two teams of 10

Why not?

I saw the scots play yesterday, looked descent, there is definitely some talent at the 5 position
Guards are still rough around the edges, but there is talent

I will say this, they did look like a team capable of winning the GSAC, not going to, but capable
so if they work hard they have as good a chance as any of the other 3 teams
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on October 11, 2006, 12:57:37 PM
Quote from: d3ball on October 10, 2006, 01:45:44 PM
Im telling yall keep on doubting the Hawks just like last year I think the Hawks will repeat again with senior leadership from Cole Hairston and David Sampleton is ready to step in and ready to dominate along with a great supporting cast the Hawks will win the conference AGAIN! with Cole Hairston being POY

Mr. White,

What are you doing know a days?  More school, coaching, playing....just checking. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on October 11, 2006, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 11, 2006, 10:54:53 AM
they have done it in the past and it has been alright, i would definitely do it if there was an entry fee to play and we used the proceeds to buy the scots new uniforms and included Tom Gallaher, of course.
If girl alums wanted to play we would cut them in too somehow
100 bucks a person, two teams of 10

Why not?


OK, you guys, I am counting on you to make this happen.  I realize this isn't the place to discuss this but I will hope you all will make it happen. It would be awesome.
In fact, don't wait til Homecoming '07. Sometime this season would be great! What a treat for MC Fighting Scots fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 12, 2006, 10:52:48 AM
Watts hit me up on my cell when you get a chance.. I also sent you an email... Let me know what you think about the alumni game...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 12, 2006, 11:43:45 AM
well let's make it hot and schedule it
Bobby Golden is a flat out stud, he kind of reminds me of an overweight Justin Wansley, who was a flat out stud in his own right, do you think Bobby will get in shape so he can have the same kind of results Wansley had?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 14, 2006, 09:13:38 AM
Well,
It is here and I couldn't be anymore ready than I am right now.  It is funny we can't wait for it to get here but yet it will all be over before we want it no matter when that it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 17, 2006, 04:31:56 PM
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1634

read it and weep GSAC

by the way it means absolutely nothing
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 18, 2006, 08:44:25 AM
Congrats to the 2006-2007 Scots for a #7 Pre-Season Ranking. My fellow Fighting Scot Matt Grubb states that it does not mean amything I disagree. We were ranked #10 in the Nation in the pre-season my senior after coming off a Sweet 16 appearance and I guarantee you everyone had us marked on the schedule as their biggest game.

There is a lot of pressure that goes along with being ranked so high. I think the Scots will be fine with the Triple B's of Bo,Brad, and Bobby!! The question is who else will step up? Bowers? Bradley? There is about an averag of 45-60 points between the 3 B's but they need to find 0 more from the rest of the guys...

I will be attending practice Thursday and see what they are really looking like.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 18, 2006, 10:12:57 AM
maybe i am just getting tired of preseason rankings in the top 10 and want a postseason top 10, but if i could get a Pat Coleman D3hoops preseason top 10 it would be comforting
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 18, 2006, 03:05:34 PM
Nice job with the season preview, Coach Haynes.

http://www.lagrange.edu/athletics/basketball/preview.htm

It sounds like you are "loaded for bear" and ready to go.

I'm dreading the trip to LaGrange already. As I said earlier, I'm not much of a fan of the "chinese fire drill" approach. I don't like it when my team does it. And I really don't like it when your team does it against my team.   :-\

But then I guess that's sort of the point, isn't it?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 18, 2006, 10:45:58 PM
Thanks Lion but I must pass the compliment to our asst. SID.  Football has brought us some additional staff members and we have a guy who really likes basketball and likes writing about it just as much.  We have had 4 practices and are having Mariotti Madness tomorrow night to get campus fired up about the season.  I really like working with our guys.  We have a chance to have a little more success this year if we don't turn the ball over and if we can frustrate people with both our pressure defense and high paced offense.  We have a couple good scrimmages coming up but they haven't told us much in the past.  I hope everyone is enjoying college football season.  Go Vols and Panthers.  We play a fellow 1st year program on Saturday so maybe this is our day.  The best part of cool Saturday college football games is that it means basketball season is right around the corner.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 19, 2006, 10:53:19 AM
Nice article for the Panthers!! I have been telling everyone since last year that if the Panthers win early and gain confidence they will be the first GSAC school besides MC to make it to the NCAA Tournament. It should be interesting!!

It would be nice to see two team make it!!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 19, 2006, 10:48:13 PM
Mariotti Madness is in the books and our campus is absolutely....kind of excited.  I don't think we can ask for much in mid October.  A warning to those curious about the happenings with LC basketball.  We have a staff guy at our local paper who loves basketball so you should be able to track down some articles throughout the year.  I would tell you how but I don't know.  Yet another reason we need Wilburt back on the board.  That man could find a real pearl in a plastic oyster.  I don't know if I mentioned the humidity in GA last season but it is ridiculous.  Our court is an ice rink after 30 minutes.  We still have made due and had to have any wasted days but it is tough right now with this crazy GA weather.  Killer, I expect a report on the practice you watched.  No secrets but just general thoughts. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 20, 2006, 11:01:43 AM
Coach although I should have been a Panther this past season I am a Scot to the end.  I didn't make it to the practice but I will tell you this there are not too many teams in the country who have a Big 3 like Maryville. If Bobby, Bradley, and Bo dedicate themselves this whole year the sky is the limit.. Depth is my only concern with the Scots, which is one of your major strengths this year Coach Haynes..
 
Scots vs Panthers GSAC Championship!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 20, 2006, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on October 20, 2006, 11:01:43 AM
Scots vs Panthers GSAC Championship!!!

Killer, you are really starting to offend me by consistently overlooking my Lions. But that's OK ... I can live with the disdain ... I've been married for years.

Here is a quick recap on how I see the GSAC possibilities ... because I know you, Grubb, and Coach Haynes want to know ...

Murvul:
By far the best group of post players. Bo is pretty tough, as well. (I hope they don't find a real point guard that allows Bo to move to his natural position, the 2, and concentrate on his shooting.) I'm not sure who else they have ... but I'm betting who ever is on the floor, will play hard and play well together. Still the top program in the GSAC until someone proves other-wise.

Piedmont:
No one has a better top 4 players than we do. After that, there are several guys with potential (potential means you haven't done it yet) that could be major contributors ... including several newcomers. IMHO, the best of the rest may be Rubio ... a freshman, Mason-like, combo guard. He is not quite the shooter Bo is, but is more athletic ... ultimately, might be a better all-around player.

A few keys for us ...
* Can we become effective at various pressure defenses?
* Can we figure out how to play Green and Rubio together?
* Can Miller and/or Poland emerge as effective "do the dirty work" post players?
* Can we strike an effective balance between using our depth and "riding our big 4"?
* What team chemistry will emerge? We have a lot back, but, we lost a couple of warriors ...
* Rebounding, defense, and especially ... rebounding!

LaGrange:
A scary team! They will have unbelievable depth ... and they are all experienced now. They have always had the "intensity factor" going for them. And they have the type of roster where that "Chinese fire drill approach" works. IMHO, there is not that much of a talent differential between their best 4 or 5 players and the rest of their guys. I don't even know if Coach Haynes knows who his best 4 or 5 guys are. BTW, that is not meant as a knock on their "best guys" as much as it's meant as a testament to their depth and long-term commitment to that style. IMHO, that style is not something you can just casually mess around with ... if you are going to do it, you have to live and breathe it constantly ... probably for years, to really master it.

The one bright spot for the rest of us ... at least Corie Jackson is gone. That guy could play!

Huntingdon:I have no idea what's going on over there. I imagine Coach Duckworth has been working hard and is going to pull some rabbits out of his hat. If he doesn't have several of them to pull out, Cole Hairston is going to have a disappointing senior season.


BTW, the colors are in memory of our absent friend, Wilburt. Come on back, Wilburt ... we would all welcome your comments and observations.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 23, 2006, 02:49:38 PM
Old lion i now have a dirty man crush on you for using the quote "potential means you have not done it yet" that is the best quote these young athletes need to remember when looking at themselves
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on October 23, 2006, 04:41:54 PM
Old Lion,

I'm not sure who the fourth is in the "best top four"...  I know Green, Adams, and Baldwin are three of them, but who is the fourth?  That is a very good top three,  for sure... and I know you guys have a pretty good recruiting class as well... Have you seen any practices?

Any impact new players for any of the schools, or are returners going to play the bulk of the minutes for everyone?  Huntingdon will probably need some new guys to give some quality minutes, considering all the minutes they graduated...

My prediction, based on very little knowledge:

1)  Maryville:  still the king
2)  toss-up between Piedmont and LaGrange
4)  Huntingdon:  rebuild year

Conference championship game:  Maryville in a close one over LaGrange at LaGrange

Player of the Year:  Bobby Golden
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 23, 2006, 05:57:20 PM
Quote from: colincondi on October 23, 2006, 04:41:54 PM
Old Lion,

I'm not sure who the fourth is in the "best top four"...  I know Green, Adams, and Baldwin are three of them, but who is the fourth?  That is a very good top three,  for sure... and I know you guys have a pretty good recruiting class as well... Have you seen any practices?


ColinCondi,

So what's the story with that name ... are you a secret Secretary of State groupie?  :D
Which school do you support?

But to your questions ...

1) Yep, that was 3 of them, and IMHO, Tyler Whitlock is the other one. He went through a shooting slump toward the end of last year that skewed his numbers downward a bit. But he is a lot better than last year's numbers would seem to indicate. He is a real "intangibles guy", has a good feel for the game and can contribute in a lot of different areas ...  the type of player that you appreciate more as you see him play over an extended period of time. I'm expecting him to have a very good year.

2) I think we have a good, deep recruiting class coming in. I mentioned Rubio and Miller ... Mayweather, McCoy, and Patton also look to me like they have a chance to help us this year. We also have a few other vets that could have something to say about playing time.

3) I haven't had an opportunity to see a practice yet ... but I did see most of them play a few times over the summer and fall. For instance, I know Green, Baldwin and Rubio played together a good bit over the summer and developed a pretty good rapport.

It should be an interesting year. Even though we have 4 solid vets back ... I personally, was a big fan of the other 4 members of last year's top 8 that aren't back. If our core guys play as I expect and our new guys get up to speed pretty quickly, we could have a pretty good season.

We better hit the ground running though. To me, our schedule seems to be sort of inverted ... a lot of South  Region games early with most of the non-region games later in the season. Not a schedule that is conducive to screwing around ... we better have our feces coagulated when we go to Virginia on Nov 17th.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 23, 2006, 06:05:16 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 23, 2006, 02:49:38 PM
Old lion i now have a dirty man crush on you for using the quote "potential means you have not done it yet" that is the best quote these young athletes need to remember when looking at themselves

O.. K ...

A "dirty man crush"? That's a good thing, right?

Thanks, I guess ...   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 24, 2006, 09:04:02 AM
that is a great compliment coming from a fighting scot to a lion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 24, 2006, 11:49:23 AM
ALUMNI GAME IS ON!! November 18th at 1:00 p.m.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 24, 2006, 09:30:54 PM
Well, I guess we may be employing a 4 "guard" line-up from time to time ...

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/roster.htm

I AM the master of understatement!


BTW, Thomas Jefferson said, "All men are created equal." I certainly hope that doesn't apply to "all guards". It's all good though ... I know a few of these guys are going to be able to step up and "play big".


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 25, 2006, 03:54:45 PM
the scots are waiting for the lions, i think the 4 guard routine will be able to handle the post play of the scots, not really I saw piedmont has only one player over 6'4", he is a 6'6" freshman, who are there posts that are going to match up with the size of the scots?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 26, 2006, 10:02:48 AM
Old Lion,
I was thinking about something last night that you might remember.  Time for a little GSAC history as we get ready to start another season.  The "McCord Miracle" what a shot.  Never did a team do a better job all night (piedmont) and lose to lady luck.  Piedmont did it for about 39 minutes on both ends of the floor, fortunately for the scots the game lasted 45 minutes.  It was one of the first gsac conference games ever and arguably the best ever.  Since then there have been some good ones, but that one had some amazing plays by both teams.  Also that piedmont team would hammer this years PC team.

Bobby Golden 2007 GSAC POY/Most Improved
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 26, 2006, 10:38:51 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 25, 2006, 03:54:45 PM
the scots are waiting for the lions, i think the 4 guard routine will be able to handle the post play of the scots, not really I saw piedmont has only one player over 6'4", he is a 6'6" freshman, who are there posts that are going to match up with the size of the scots?

Actually, there are 3 guys over 6'4 ... but your point is well taken. IMHO, it is going to take a lot of extraordinary effort (for anyone in the GSAC) to overcome Murvul's size and tradition. That's not exactly a news flash ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 26, 2006, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 26, 2006, 10:02:48 AM
Old Lion,
I was thinking about something last night that you might remember.  Time for a little GSAC history as we get ready to start another season.  The "McCord Miracle" what a shot. 

Even though I am an "old Lion", that was before my time at Piedmont. What year was that? Was it NAIA or D3 back then? Has Murvul been D3 for quite awhile or did they used to be NAIA like Piedmont?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on October 26, 2006, 02:35:35 PM
Women side is dead...excuse me for a sec ya'll...........

Killer,

Whats up with Whitney? I know you worked with her last year and Dee let her go and let her come back. Word is she got into a argument with the new coach at the scrimmage last Saturday at Roane State and he told her to turn in her stuff and come talk to him in a week about a posssible return to the team. She has been taken off the school's website roster. What's happening? Don't think the new coach needs this kind of drama to start out with because I imagine all the kids are watching how he handles this closely.  Maybe a coach / player respect thing already?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 27, 2006, 04:36:41 PM
If you go back to previous posts you can see my comments on Whitney. Its on the women's message board.
  I don't like to discuss attitudes of former players on here but when it comes to her play I never liked her game..
Don't want to comment on the coach either but have heard some stuff and the girls don't seem to happy. Its hard to be a new coach and come in with a new system and a team wanting to accept that system. The girls were used to Dee's system and its hard to adapt to a new one.
   In my honest opinion they will struggle this year.
Well Go Scots!! Go Panthers!! Go Lions!! Go Hawks!! Lets have a good year!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 27, 2006, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 25, 2006, 03:54:45 PM
who are there posts that are going to match up with the size of the scots?

Upon further reflection ... that's certainly a legitimate question you pose, Grubby One. But, there are always two sides to every issue.

Here is the other side of that issue ... there will be times when we will have on the floor ... PG, 2, 3, QPF, and Post.

So, two questions ...

1) Who does Murvul have that will be able to match up with our QPF?

and, for extra credit ...

2) What does QPF stand for? (You may have to bring Wilburt out of retirement to help you with that one.)

Hint:
SF ... Small Forward
PF ... Power Forward
It has been said that "necessity is the mother of invention". I think it may also have a hand in the evolution of the QPF in Demorest.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 30, 2006, 10:51:39 AM
WHERE IS WILBURT??????? We miss you pal.... The GSAC needs Wilburt back..

Old Lion you might have a point!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 30, 2006, 02:09:59 PM
It comes down to who's strengths are stronger.  That would be a good discussion/comparison across the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 31, 2006, 01:42:03 PM
coach i have got some strengths for you, we are having an alumni game Nov 18th, we would invite you but i think seeing some of these former maryville players would only bring back nightmares of having to match up against them over the past couple of years
Sidney Ellis 2 time nabc all america
Josh Tummel  1st team all south
Ben Robison 1st team all gsac
Walden Buttram 1st team all gsac
Etc.
so you are invited but we understand if you don't want to come
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 31, 2006, 03:55:49 PM
All right my fellow GSACers, because I'm sure inquiring minds want to know ... here is your Piedmont Lions update ...

I got my first look at our guys the other night in a scrimmage. We played Emmanual, an NAIA school ... translation ... larger, pretty quick, scholarship athletes. And we did pretty well ...two, twenty minute halfs ...  they won the first one by a few, we won the second one by a few. Pretty much a break even evening. And, the officiating was even realistic, actual game conditions ... translation ... pretty bad, both ways.   :-\

We played 16 guys, including 10 guys who weren't on the team last year. I got an extended look at the "PG, 2,3, QPF and Post" configuration. And I have to admit, I was pretty encouraged ... we have a bunch of guys who really want to get after it. I can't wait for the PC/LC matchups. It's going to look, at times, like there are at least a dozen guys on the floor.  :o

I don't envy the job ahead for our brain trust (Messrs Glenn, Hooker, and Walker) ... deciding on a rotation is going to be no small task.

I can't wait to get started. Go Lions!

Yes, I have my cheerleading skirt on ... Hey, I've got the legs for it ....   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 01, 2006, 07:06:44 AM
Mr Grubbs, if I came to the alumni game I would want to coach it so I could run lob plays for Tummel every possession.  I will be in Atlanta trying to open the season 2-0 for the first time or trying to salvage the first weekend and go 1-1. 

OldLion that is a good scrimmage.  Andy Sharpe the head coach at Emmanuel is a good guy doing good things up there.  We play them the day after New Year's.  If you went to their gym...how about those poles around the court which are strategically placed in your way from any angle in the bleachers. 

We had a scrimmage against a good JUCO and did well.  We didn't play one of our better players who just got back this week from a knee scope but had to figure out how to play our big kid who is finally healthy to start the year, a much improved soph center, a now eligible point forward, and all the other usual suspects.  We have one more scrimmage against a DII school which hopefully will be a great preperation game for our opener against NC Wesleyan. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 01, 2006, 09:02:26 AM
Matt Grubb you are so modest.. The Alumni Game will feature many GSAC Assasins!!

Imagine having these guys on one team: Point Guards: Myself and Jeff McCord, Shooting Guards: Monte Calloway, Brent Watts, Spencer Beaty
Small Forwards: Chris Housewright, Sidney Ellis Power Forwards: Walden Buttram, Dee Bell, Center: Paul Reed, Josh Tummel..

Don´t forget we are also inviting 3 time Women All American Hayley Smith!!!

The alumni game is going to be tons of fun and a new tradition at the College.

By the way GO SCOTS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 01, 2006, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 01, 2006, 07:06:44 AM
OldLion that is a good scrimmage.  Andy Sharpe the head coach at Emmanuel is a good guy doing good things up there.  We play them the day after New Year's.  If you went to their gym...how about those poles around the court which are strategically placed in your way from any angle in the bleachers. 

We had a scrimmage against a good JUCO and did well.  We didn't play one of our better players who just got back this week from a knee scope but had to figure out how to play (1) our big kid who is finally healthy to start the year, (2) a much improved soph center, a (3) now eligible point forward, and all the other usual suspects.  We have one more scrimmage against a DII school which hopefully will be a great preperation game for our opener against NC Wesleyan. 

Yeah Coach, those poles were pretty bad ... the only solution I could come up with was to sit on the front row. I was gratified to see a number of our fans make the trip to support us ... it's a shame we have so few home games this season.

OK Coach, I'll take the quiz ...
(1) Podbielski
(2) Nutt,? Redding?
(3) Williams

How did I do?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 01, 2006, 10:41:31 AM
Nice job Old Lion, i would guess you made an A on that quiz
Coach Haynes i saw a D2 scrimmage last night as the vols dominated D2 Lemoyne Owen who wilburt would point out Fisk beat in 1999 when Lemoyne owen was ranked#1 in NCAA D2.  They were 22-0 and their first loss was to FISK.

I also want to point out that when snoop doggy dogg was in court for murder charges in the mid 1990's he was wearing a Fisk University sweatshirt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 01, 2006, 11:24:14 AM
Both of you guys are smart enough to get a degree from LaGrange!  You guys didn't guess the JUCO though.  That means only partial credit.  Nutt is improved but not as much as Redding. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 01, 2006, 02:58:40 PM
good job Pat,
I see 6 south region teams in the top 25, maybe a little generous but we will take it, I certainly like maryville much better at 23, i think that is much more realistic than the Street and Smith #7.  We all know D3hoops has a much more in depth poll.

The scots have some perimeter questions to answer and some answers in the post so hopefully the scots will have another good season this year.  GO SCOTS.

P.S. never rank Hampden Sydney higher than maryville ever again, i thank you for your cooperation in advance

The Fighting Matt Grubb
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 02, 2006, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on November 01, 2006, 09:02:26 AM
Matt Grubb you are so modest.. The Alumni Game will feature many GSAC Assasins!!

Imagine having these guys on one team: Point Guards: Myself and Jeff McCord, Shooting Guards: Monte Calloway, Brent Watts, Spencer Beaty
Small Forwards: Chris Housewright, Sidney Ellis Power Forwards: Walden Buttram, Dee Bell, Center: Paul Reed, Josh Tummel..

Don´t forget we are also inviting 3 time Women All American Hayley Smith!!!

The alumni game is going to be tons of fun and a new tradition at the College.

By the way GO SCOTS!!


What a line up!
My goodness you put that together fast! What are the details? They are playing the team or alumni? Costs? What will the money go towards? Is Cooper on this?
(I can't get PMs so I have to ask questions here on the board.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 02, 2006, 04:50:13 PM
we are just playing against each other to have fun and raise some money for the program, we are asking $100 bucks a person, so not a lot for one but you multiply that by 30 and we will have raised a descent amount of money for the program, its called teamwork
Nov. 18th at 1:00
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 03, 2006, 12:36:46 AM
Thanks for the info, Mr. Grubb. I can't wait for this game, I know y'all will have a lot of fun. Wish there was a clever way to have the fans involved that would raise money also...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 03, 2006, 09:33:40 AM
Congrats to the Scots #23!! Like the Fighting Matt Grubb said more realistic ranking.. We have 3 very talented players in Mason.Golden, and Blair but all three are not very good defenders!!!

Will see how it goes... Season is almost here!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 03, 2006, 02:11:49 PM
The Scots will be ready come their first game, i can feel it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 04, 2006, 01:44:08 PM
 :(  I hear the great Fighting Monte will be unable to be here for the alumni game. Sad news for us Monte fans. Maybe next alumni game!

The best thing about Fall is MC Fighting Scots basketball!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 06, 2006, 11:29:44 AM
monte was always a fan favorite
has anyone heard anything about the scrimmage against LMU last night, how bad did the scots win?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on November 07, 2006, 11:17:30 AM
Hawks All the Way
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 07, 2006, 11:39:56 AM
Quote from: d3ball on November 07, 2006, 11:17:30 AM
Hawks All the Way

That's nice, Allen ... but we could use a little more in-depth preview ...

OK, you have Hairston in the frontcourt and Sampleton in the backcourt. What else you got?

Who else has the inside track to start?

What other guys will step up?

Inquiring minds want to know ...  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 07, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
Allen,
Rave review, so daring, concise, and to the point.  I will have to agree with you that the hawks can handle the big 3 of maryville.  Let's all not forget Jeremy Holliday.  He is a junior, i believe he is a pisces, he enjoys long walks on the beach, warm nights in front of the fire, rebounding, and playing defense.  This will be his third year starting at the power forward for the scots and he is ready to have a dominate year defending other teams premier post players.  While he is only 145 pounds at 6'7" he is quick and a very intelligent player.  You may think he is fragile, but he is actually agile.  He is the only man in the GSAC that Bobby Golden fears.  Sorry Lambert, Jeremy is the only guy in the GSAC Bobby fears.

Tomorrow will feature and different under recognized fighting scot, here is a hint, He will be a "Quagmire" and pose many "Quandaries" for GSAC schools this year. ;D
Sincerely
The Fighting Matt Grubb
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on November 07, 2006, 03:58:40 PM
well we dont have the size that we had last year but up front we got like 4 guys up front that are 6'4 6'5 in the mid 230s with quicknes also a guard from Huntsville named travis bridges that will be the freshman of the year and couple of transfers  one from pfeifer college and one from brewton parker juco but defense has always been our key and will continue to stay that way our offense is starting to click as a few of guys get used to the physical aspects of the game. we will be once GSAC CHAMPS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on November 07, 2006, 09:17:13 PM
and another guy from guntersville who is used to princteon offense since his high school ran it and once again we will be GSAC CHAMPS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 07, 2006, 09:39:42 PM
I second that about Holliday. I think Jeremy is grossly underrated. Holliday seems to be in everyone's shadow but he seemed very consistent to me while watching last year. I hope he keeps it up, improves even more this year and shows us what he's got!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 08, 2006, 08:57:38 AM
The Hawks??? Unless they got some major recruits coming in they will be average at best.. Coach Duckworth does a great job with his teams but this year might be a rebuilding year..

As for the Scots not a good start.. Fighting Grubb our Scots did not do too well against LMU. I believe they lost by 10 or 12... Not a big deal because it does not count.

ALumni Game one week away...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 08, 2006, 08:58:35 AM
there is no question he is hidden in Bobby's shadow, Bobby has 130 pounds on him, Bobby weighs almost twice what Jeremy does, but Jeremy is playing great defense and rebounding well in that shadow and doing alot of little things that compliment Bobby very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 08, 2006, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on November 07, 2006, 09:39:42 PM
I second that about Holliday. I think Jeremy is grossly underrated. Holliday seems to be in everyone's shadow but he seemed very consistent to me while watching last year. I hope he keeps it up, improves even more this year and shows us what he's got!

Re Holliday ... I'm with the general consensus on this one. I've always liked his game ... would love to have him on our team. IMHO, he is exactly the type of "do the dirty work", role player every successful team has to have.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 08, 2006, 11:53:15 AM
On to another fighting scot that will have a big impact on the GSAC this year
Quinn Bradley, let's be honest, Quinn is the kind of player Alex Bowers wants to grow up to be one day.
Quinn is an Allen White type player, good defender, descent shooter, slasher, and crafty, if you will.  Quinn will have a big impact this year by being the scots perimeter stopper.  He has good size and quickness, as well as reach.  Should make a big impact on the GSAC this year, so for all of you other perimeter players in the GSAC you better find the "answer" b/c #40 for the scots is the Quandary.
Think about it.

Tomorrow's preview has something to do with either an assistant coach whose game is suspect or Icey/Hot
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 08, 2006, 12:21:06 PM
I agree with you about Quinn. I think there is a lot of talent just waiting to explode on the Fighting Scots team. I'm a fan of almost every Fight Scot.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 09, 2006, 03:46:33 PM
Yeah Baby,
Spencer Beaty is back in action.  I was reading the USA today and MC was one of 4 other colleges that were said to have a good shot at the final four.  With our depth in the post and strong leadership from Bo and Bobby we can make it.  Randall will get his final four this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 11, 2006, 02:19:01 PM
From the time i have been watching the scots i really think this team might be missing something.  I just feel that if Bobby or Bo could become a leader this team has the potential to do whatever they want to do.  One of them has to take them team on their shoulders and make them work.  I have heard that bobby has lost fifteen pounds so maybe he is taking the initiative.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 11, 2006, 09:50:20 PM
What has happened to my GSAC board.  I am sure once we get it started my man Matt Grubb and GSAC Killer will help me out, but we need to fill the void of Wilburt.  I dont know who is going to do it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 13, 2006, 08:16:46 PM
Like I have said since he was a Freshman.  Jeremy holliday can be a very good player for MC.  He needs to become a vocal leader as well as a more physical player.  Learn from Bobby on this one JERMS.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 14, 2006, 10:58:09 AM
One week away!!!!!!!!!!!! I love basketball....... Alumni game Saturday 1:00 p.m.

Many good Fighting Scots will be in attendance.. K-Rich, Chris Housewright,Josh Tummel, Ben Robison, Jeff McCord,Walden Buttram to name some...To join the men will be All Everything Hayley Smith, Marquita Porter, and Katie Parton...

It should be a fun event!! Oh by the way the teams will be coached by the legend himself Tom Robison andon the other side by rising sensation Rex "Batman" Wallace aka Braveheart!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 14, 2006, 01:46:26 PM
Let the rivalry begin
the teams have been divided and the jerseys ordered.  the teams will be emailed later, but there will be some mythical matchups.
I dare say this, the uzi will have his hand full and his pockets picked all afternoon.

White vs. Garnet

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 15, 2006, 08:56:19 AM
With Chris Housewright, Walden Buttram,Jeff McCord,Jeremy Burgess, Tom Gallaher,Ben Robison,Katie Parton, and of course yours truly you do not stand a chance!!! Oh by the way we are also being coached by Kendall "The Batman" Wallace you have no hope...

I know what you are going to say oh we got Tummel, and K-Rich, and Hayley Smith, and Tom Weston, and oh yea YOU but you have no chance!!!

Go GARNET!!!! :D ;)

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 17, 2006, 09:05:48 AM
oh the season starts today, wooooo
get ready b/c here come the scots ready for this season
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 17, 2006, 11:29:06 AM
ITS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its the BOBO Mason show..................

Here is an article on the alumni game: http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1696
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 17, 2006, 12:39:58 PM
It is here and I feel like we are as ready as we can be.  I look back and don't regret anything in the preseason so now it is time to push ahead.  NC Wesleyan is really good and will be as tough as anyone we play all season long.  Welcome to the big show!  Good luck to all GSAC folks.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 18, 2006, 10:15:41 AM
Coach Haynes,

Wow, looks like you guys are off to a good start ... Congrats.

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2006-07/stats/ncwm1117.htm

Is that box score correct? Did Lawrence really have 22 points in 12 minutes?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 18, 2006, 06:34:54 PM
That is correct.  He had 17 of a 19-4 run late in the second half, mostly off free throws.  LC 101  Carver Bible  79  It wasn't posted on the scoreboard page so I figured the faithful posters would want to know.  Sewanee Tuesday.....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 19, 2006, 09:41:45 AM
so are you saying LC starts off 2-0
NICE
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 19, 2006, 10:10:35 AM
Good start for LC!!
On a side note the Garnet team like I predicted was too much for the white team.. The combination of Placeres and Housewright was too much!! Brent Watts and Josh Tummel late push was not enough... It was a great game and it was nice to see all the players who participated...
Thank you for the donations!! Hope to do it again next year!!

Bring on Centre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boys looked ok yesterday in the Intra-squad game...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 19, 2006, 10:36:05 AM
It is a good start but we are in unchartered waters where we must double our focus to make sure this leads to a good year not just a couple of wins here or there.  Maryville v Centre should be another classic.  I want to really compliment you Fighting Scot has beens for pulling together and doing something for your old program.  That speaks volumes about the people who participated and also the total program at Maryville.  Two thumbs up.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 19, 2006, 06:48:12 PM
thanks coach
good luck with sewanee, at 2-0 you are gonna get the best they have, at 2-0 you have a target on your back
Keep it up and good luck
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 19, 2006, 07:13:44 PM
We have never had a target on our back; usually just a "kick me" sign that someone snuck on us. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 19, 2006, 07:27:09 PM
Rough start for my Lions ...

Here's a brief recap of our 0-2 start at Ferrum. (OK, I lied ... we all know I can't be brief, but I'll try.)

Our "big four" are going to need more help from our guys "with potential" ... who for a variety of reasons aren't contributing as needed yet. Getting Rubio (who I still think may be one of our 5 best players) back from a concussion should be a big help.

Our "two Jakes" played great. (But, they both fouled out of both games.)

Baldwin went for 21 and 7 and 23 and 10 (pts and reb) and made the all tourney team. He was virtually unstoppable except by the officiating crew (two of them made my all-tourney defensive team) who fouled him out in 18 minutes vs. Ferrum. He may have committed 3 of them. Without the two "big stops" by the Zebras, we would have won the Ferrum game easily. Baldwin was working on a 30/15 game when the officials decided to take the game over.

Green had 15 points, 16 assists, and 10 rebounds in 71 minutes and did a nice job with all the "intangible PG stuff".... gutsy effort from a guy with strep throat. He did a good defensive job on Ferrum's Wade, who had 25 the night before. He probably deserved to make the all - tourney team ... but, obviously, you aren't going to get two guys on the all tourney team when you go 0 and 2. I certainly hope he doesn't continue to be our 2nd leading rebounder ... our other big men have to step up.

The other half of our big four (Adams and Whitlock) competed well, and really got after it with a lot of the "under the radar stuff" that doesn't show up in box scores ... but their shots just weren't falling like they have in the past ... and will again. We just have to have some major contributions from some other guys.

Wesley Parker stepped up big with 13 points in the Ferrum game.

Our other vet, Drew Bailey, played solidly in limited minutes.

I thought three of our new guys, McCoy, Patton, and Mayweather, showed real flashes of being able to help us. They just have to get more consistency and figure out what Coach Glenn expects from them ... they are going to do nothing but get better.

Also, I really like our new backup PG, Phillip Irwin. Very solid ...  the position is in good hands when Green has to sit down.

Miller and Poland, our two backup big men ... IMHO, these two guys are the key to our team. Both of these guys (or at least one of them) have to emerge as solid role players or we've got real problems. Ideally, we need 15 to 25 solid minutes from them, combined, per game. They should be able to do it. We don't need them to re-invent the wheel or find the cure for cancer...  All they have to do is come in, play smart, get on the glass, and hustle their butts back and defend the bucket ... and occasionally, score inside. Sounds simple, but it just didn't happen enough this weekend ...

We are going to be good ... I just hope it's sooner, rather than later ...

And finally, a shout out to my old friend, Kyle Kemmerer ... I hope you are having fun at Georgia Southern, 'cause we miss you, Man!

http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/mb2006-07/gcm1117.htm

http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Basketball-M/2006-07%20Stats/fcm1118.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 19, 2006, 10:14:17 PM
MC with the opener on tuesday.  I expect them to hang 100
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 20, 2006, 05:21:24 PM
i am planning on being at the home opener, completely shamed by chris housewright's all start performance at the alumni game, no wonder the scots beat hampden sydney in 2000 with that guy on the floor
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 20, 2006, 10:05:45 PM
I had never seen Chris Housewright play ball before. He and Josh Tummel 'wowed' me!

That was a lot of fun! It should be played each year. I think it could be an event that could draw some fans! Raul Placeres' speed is still incredible to watch. It is like he has overdrive and can just turn it on. (I know, I know, if he reads this he won't fit through the door next time!) I've  seen the Fighting Matt Grubb play before and just never knew it until Sat.!

I have to say, there was some talent in the intersquad game that surprised me. I think we have some new men who are standouts. There were 3 who stood out that I'll be watching, no doubt. There was one guy who played 110% the whole time he was in. I was really pleased with what I saw on Sat.  I guess with all the talk about Bo, Bradley, Bobby etc., I didn't see these guys coming...

BTW, Bobby Golden looked awesome out there. I think he is a force to be reckoned with!
And once again, my pick, Jeremy seemed to blend in with the court. He's got to come out and show his strengths. It is in there...it just has to come out. Bradley was blending a little too much too, IMHO. Maybe he'll step it up when he's out there with Bobby and his team.
Bo Mason's new position is going to work for him.  I hope he leads this team to a winning season. I'm a big fan of Bo's!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 21, 2006, 09:17:31 AM
MCScotsFan your the man! We hope to do it again next year but just the guys... It is going to get more competitive next year! Sorry Watts but Housewright and myself have agreed to a 10 year deal with the Garnet Team!!

At the current time we have no free agent money, so good luck!! Train hard this off-season you need it...
Well back to what really matters the SCOTS!!!!
Tough game tonight..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 21, 2006, 11:44:06 AM
tough game in what i am calling the GSAC/SCAC challenge tonight as the scots face the colonels and the panthers take on sewanee
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 21, 2006, 10:13:18 PM
That was a tough game. Bradley looked very good tonight. He came on strong when he needed to. He gets the whole place fired up when he's like that!
I think Holliday read about "blending into the court" and and decided not to tonight!
I think the freshman's name is Tim that really showed potential out there. I wondered where he came from!
I thought you could tell it was the first game for the refs...they seemed to be coming out of hibernation or something.
The first half Centre showed great offensive skills (they were fast--but not as fast as Placeres  ;)--and didn't seem to miss) and MC wasn't playing D. Glad Coach Lambert talked to them about that at half-time.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 22, 2006, 09:50:52 AM
What happened to Samuel Coppage and who is playing point?  I had to be out of town (obligatory family leave) and could not be there). 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2006, 09:52:12 AM
I thought Quinn did an excellent job defensively on on 22 and even good old Alex impressed me with some of his play, we desperately need a shooter other than Bobo
I enjoyed the game, our team game needs some work, but at one point we had 3 freshmen, 1 sophomore, and 1 senior on the court, it will take time to blend

Good win to start the season
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 22, 2006, 10:00:59 AM
Was not able to attend because we had a game ourselves. I called Tummel and Watts and they informed me of what went on.. Like Watts said we need a SHOOTER!!!!!
Good first win against a team who will probably win 20 games...
Big weekend in Atlanta for the boys.. South region games!!!

Hey LaGrange is 3-0.. I believe the great "Killa" said they would challenge the Scots this season...
  Best of luck to the Scots and the Triple B's need to carry us on the Road...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2006, 10:09:28 AM
Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 22, 2006, 12:25:39 PM
The story of the Scots.  We aren't as good at this point as i thought we would be.  We only have one threat to make an outside shot and Centre figured that out.  Bowers and Q are both slashers that struggle from the outside.  Bradely Blair was a spark but i still question his attitude.  I got there in the 2nd half but i would have liked to see Bobby and Bradely on the floor at one time.  That could be a threat.  We are young at the guard position and we need Andy Chaney.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2006, 04:56:30 PM
I think the scots have gotten all the support they need from me, I am thinking about changing over to becoming a lagrange panther.  3-0 and ready to go.  Looks like the panthers are hungry.  I will say it is a long season and they have a lot to learn over the next 10 games if they want to carry this thing through February, but as a former maryville guy, we need LC and MC to beat as many SCAC and USAC teams as they can to get the GSAC more respect.

Go panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 22, 2006, 07:58:52 PM
nothing wrong with go panthers but you gotta stay true to the Scots Grubby.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 22, 2006, 08:43:41 PM
Old Lion-

I have out most respect for you.  You debated and tried to show you point to Narch on the USASouth baord.  I agree with you on the whole official situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 22, 2006, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 22, 2006, 09:50:52 AM
What happened to Samuel Coppage and who is playing point?  I had to be out of town (obligatory family leave) and could not be there). 


Samuel Coppage left the team. No idea why. I guess Bo will be playing it for awhile anyway. Jared Laverdiere played point also.



Bradley's attitude? Ya think?!!  :D

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 22, 2006, 11:26:01 PM
man we need either sam or jj or trey brewer back.  One guard is all we need to become an far better team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 23, 2006, 11:57:02 AM
Any prospects among the new people?  I have not seen any of them....  I remember the real Spencer Beaty as a frosh stepped right in.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 23, 2006, 01:23:54 PM
eric anderson looked descent, we do need another guard, Jared will come around give him time he is tough like Beaty, but not near the size of Beaty
we really need a 4 we can rely on night in and night out

by the way, scouting report on CN, they are garbage, could be another year where we hand CN the jerseys

Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 23, 2006, 01:28:11 PM
looks like my new team and my old team will be in the ATL this weekend, i should probably be there, but i think this weekend will tell alot about my new team against OU and EU, i hope they do well, but they need to be able to dominate the state of GA before they think they can conquer TN

I will be in the ATL on monday and cannot go early, but if i could coach haynes i would be cheering you on.

Coach Haynes i think this weekend is your chance to get Randy in a one on one battle or slaughter because you would dominate him, now coach Zuver on the other hand might give you a game.

Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 23, 2006, 02:53:05 PM
who are the new assistants Grubb.  there was a big black guy and a skinny guy with glasses that i didnt know.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 23, 2006, 03:12:14 PM
We are really and I mean really in unchartered waters here!  I thought winning made things easier but it is unbelievably harder to sleep, prepare or eat, well maybe not eat I still got that under control.  I am proud of my guys for lots but mostly for their business like approach to each day after an accomplishment.  Don't get me wrong, we enjoy wins and are a happy bunch around here but they really seem to get that last night won't help you today.  Sewanee is in the middle of a whole lot of bad luck.  They played nose to nose with us for 40 minutes and really got after us.  They are doing a really good job getting through a difficult time up there.  This weekend will tell a lot about us win or lose.  I hope no one thinks we are going to have a Maryville like season because I don't think we are there yet.  I love my team but we do some simple things that people will be able to defend along the way.  The Panthers are fired up and motivated to do great things.  It is my job to keep them focused and informed on the next opponent.  Saturday will be a well rested and intense Emory squad who has beaten us all but one time in history. 

If I guarded Lambert's set shot close enough I could take him 4 out of 7 but the task would be difficult.  Zuver is an intense, scrappy, pump fake using guy like myself so I don't see anything but a tie after we are both exhausted and dizzy from ball faking.  Here is an inside scoop....Emory's assistant, Jimmy "Popcorn" Paulis is every bit as good as he looks.  He made more fancy lay ups and pull jumpers in one game than I have seen over a whole season in LaGrange. 

HAPPY TURKEY DAY! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 24, 2006, 10:18:47 AM
my money is still on you coach haynes

sometimes i think winning basketball games consists of doing the same simple things that work over and over so keep it up

The new guys are Andy Rhines "Rhino" former coach at heritage and tennessee travelers coach

The other is Jeff Mallory former LMU assistant, i have heard he is pretty knowledgeable
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 24, 2006, 10:39:06 AM
Thanks for the support Grubb. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 24, 2006, 05:08:27 PM
I have my money on Randall Dean Lambert. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 25, 2006, 11:16:22 AM
what is up with all this negative karma?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2006, 02:20:01 PM
some people don't like the maryville fans, i will give you some Karma spencer b/c you are an icon
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2006, 02:22:35 PM
any word on the maryville/OU game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 25, 2006, 04:20:45 PM
Maryville by 4
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2006, 06:26:55 PM
go scots, but i am distrought my panthers lost, but an overtime loss at Emory is a good sign that they are much improved over last year, we will see how good they are tomorrow against OU

also we will see how good emory is this year, the emory kids seem to pick up their system quicker than other teams, probably b/c they are a lot smarter than the other kids
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 26, 2006, 06:10:06 AM
Grub, let that be a lesson to you about which bandwagon you choose to jump on.  Another 2nd half falter for the Panthers.  Somebody rub a good luck charm today for our free throw shooting!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 26, 2006, 08:53:58 AM
speaking of free throw shooting has anyone watched UT play?  I think Chism has to be the worst free throw shooter in the world.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 26, 2006, 11:53:55 AM
don't expect the vols to repeat last year, but they will be a solid club

Coach, Emory is a tough place to win, ask Randy

I am not jumping band wagons again anytime soon

Looks like Bobby had a dominant performance, but only 6 rebounds, come on big guy

This Quinn Bradley character could be a major key to the success of the scots this year, he and Jeremy could be quiet killers for the scots

Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 26, 2006, 06:04:04 PM
well coach haynes, your guys did better against emory than the MC boys did, ouch!!!!
Emory is a tough place to play and the eagles are tough in November

Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 26, 2006, 06:41:22 PM
what happened in the emory MC game Grubb?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 26, 2006, 06:43:05 PM
Is 82 to 93 what i heard.  What defense must have been played in that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 26, 2006, 08:40:10 PM
from the looks of the scores this weekend, NO DEFENSE!!!! 88 and 92.. Not good especially from teams like Emory and Ogelthorpe..
Coach L will get them going but they are going to need a 4th and 5th person to step up on a consistent basis... The Killer B's of Bo,Bobby, and Bradley will be fine but where is the other help????
We got outrebounded by a guard oriented team in Emory... I know that is what concrens Coach L the most...

Will see Wednesday.. Well Coacheteam coming in...
Hey Spencer Beaty how are the Rebels doing on the hardwood?? Baby Lambert?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 26, 2006, 10:21:45 PM
Baby Lambert Dropped 20 against Mcminn Central.  The Rebels are looking pretty good.  Big game with Farragut on tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 27, 2006, 09:50:40 AM
Baby Lamberto needs to just play.. He has the skills, he just needs to let it out!!! He has it in him to do big things at MHS...

Keep up the work Baby Lamberto!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 27, 2006, 11:14:27 AM
Baby Lambert is currently the top D3 junior prospect in the country an inside source told me he has already verbally committed to the scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 27, 2006, 06:31:25 PM
Yeah I should say so.  Back in the day when his friends were as tall as he was like d. large he wasnt as good. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 28, 2006, 08:54:43 PM
Wes has always been the man, D. Large had nothing on Wes, except a golf swing

Otterbein tomorrow night, could be interesting, good hard nose Ohio bball coming down to boydson baird, i will give otterbein credit, they are the only team that has gotten a national spotlight over the past 5 years that will come to maryville, things change when you get into the mountains

And do you all remember just how good Jeff Gibbs was, i will say this for those boys from otterbein, maryville is a much prettier place than columbus, enjoy the view and the weather
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 29, 2006, 10:43:13 AM
By the way jeff Gibbs best 6´2 big man I have ever seen!! We have played together that past two summers on a Pro-Am team and I tell you what and he is the real deal.. Big game today for the Scots. 3-1 sounds a whole heck of a lot better than 2-2..

Well a lot of celebrities will be in attendance¨Brent "Big Money Watts" Dee " The Best Woman´s Coach Ever" Bell, Josh " I dunked on everyone in the GSAC" Tummel, and Spencer " The Animal" Beaty....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 29, 2006, 06:06:10 PM
From talking to Randy last night, he said they choked against Emory.  They had a 6 point lead late in the second half and couldn't get a defensive stop.  I blame the lack of leaders on the team.  Bo doesnt seem like he can lead a team to me.  His demeanor just isnt that way.  Bobby or someone needs to take Chaneys role for this team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 29, 2006, 10:51:26 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on November 29, 2006, 10:43:13 AM

Well a lot of celebrities will be in attendance¨Brent "Big Money Watts" Dee " The Best Woman´s Coach Ever" Bell, Josh " I dunked on everyone in the GSAC" Tummel, and Spencer " The Animal" Beaty....

I saw a few more...Bill Padgett (wasn't he a leading scorer? I know he is on the Wall of Fame) and Raul "the most amazing point guard with overdrive" Placeres!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 30, 2006, 09:20:44 AM
!You need  a special EFFFORT :o! TO REBOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have some FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop your man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trademarks of a Fighting Scot... I was only there for a half and the defense was pretty dang good but against a team who was very limited offensively.. We just don't have that SWAGGER!!!
I don't know but I just feel they don't play with the hunger and urgency of the coaching staff...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2006, 10:35:06 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on November 29, 2006, 06:06:10 PM
From talking to Randy last night, he said they choked against Emory.  They had a 6 point lead late in the second half and couldn't get a defensive stop. 

Choked.

I didn't see the game, so I'm not commenting on this game in particular.

But, generally speaking, I have to say that "choked" is a terrible and often misused term in sports ... right up there with "moral victory". Maybe Emory just staged an inspired comeback? I know they are a gritty, talented team.

As I said, I didn't see this game ... but generally speaking, I think it is preferrable to give credit to your opponent ... as opposed to dissing your own team.

Just my opinion ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2006, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 30, 2006, 10:35:06 AM

But, generally speaking, I have to say that "choked" is a terrible and often misused term in sports ... right up there with "moral victory".

I'm not going to use that "M V" term I just said I don't like. But ... I saw a lot to like from my Lions against a quick, tall, and talented team of scholarship athletes Tuesday night. We actually had a shot to win or tie at the end. We got the ball inside in the final seconds only to have it stripped away. They then scored on a run out for the final 4 point margin.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/11_28_06_mbkb.htm

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcm04.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 30, 2006, 11:26:27 AM
The Scots need a point guard so Bo can score and someone besides Bo who can score from outside 12 feet.  Defensive intensity semed good but can't say the same for rebounding.  Young Laverdiere looked like he might make a point guard for this team.  What is up with Orr?  Any shooters on this team???

You young Scots would have appreciated Padgett's game! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 30, 2006, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 30, 2006, 11:26:27 AM
The Scots need a point guard so Bo can score and someone besides Bo who can score from outside 12 feet.  Defensive intensity semed good but can't say the same for rebounding.  Young Laverdiere looked like he might make a point guard for this team.  What is up with Orr?  Any shooters on this team???

You young Scots would have appreciated Padgett's game! 

Yeah, may we never forget about those who made the Scots the Fighting Scots! After all, years from we still want to remember how great our recent Scots were even though there are young whippersnappers out there carrying on the tradition!

I've seen them play twice and both times there wasn't enough rebounding going on. Not sure where they are after that ball hits the rim?
Jared Laverdiere definitely gives it 110% when he's out there. I'm hoping he'll keep up the hard work and fill some big shoes.
I think it is going to be a tougher year than I thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2006, 01:01:06 PM
there are so many different things they need i am only going to address 1 that will encompass all of their needs

I need more cowbell!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 01, 2006, 12:13:25 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 30, 2006, 01:01:06 PM
I need more cowbell!

If they'll just listen to you, Bruce ... you'll have them wearing gold plated diapers.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 01, 2006, 01:36:04 PM
you just give randy more time and he will have these guys buy into his system, they will be fine and they will show up in holly springs with more cowbell, i guarantee it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 01, 2006, 03:47:19 PM
ok fans of Beaty,
I know you have been waiting for a response the the aparent woes of the MC fighting scots.  The failure to close games can only be put on the shoulders of coach lambert and his lack of senior leadership.  Jeremy hasn't gotten any better since he arrived on campus.  Bo didnt want the last shot and, frankly, I cannot blame him.  He played horribly in this one game.  The best guard was alex bowers.  Bobby and Bradely both had fair games but no one on this team knows how to rebound with the exception of Q.  Rebounding and second chances for OU killed the scots.  I hope there is a change in this in the upcoming weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 01, 2006, 04:39:03 PM
Spencer:  You say the only seniors did "fair," which was the highest praise you offered, so how is this a senior leadership thing?  Can we expect Bo to play point with no other consistent outside shooters and also score (I agree he did not have a good game)?   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 01, 2006, 10:08:30 PM
Im just saying maybe we need Bo on the 2 guard.  Jared gives you all he has and is a scrappy player.  put him at point Bo at 2, Q/Bowers at 3, and Bobby and Bradely banging inside.  That is my opinion. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 01, 2006, 11:35:06 PM
I have only seen the Otterbein game so that is not much but it seemed to me that when Jared was playing point, Bo at least could try to find a shot without giving up distributing the ball.  Jared seemed ok handling the ball and he certainly played hard.  Other than the B's, Q, and Holliday, there is not a whole lot of game experience on the team.

Randy has a challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2006, 08:18:06 PM
I told you, the scots brought more cowbell, If AB can step up and be a consistent scoring threat then we are rolling, that is impressive beating the bearcats in holly springs

This is the greatest day of my life
I will see you all in Jeff city
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 03, 2006, 06:16:57 AM
Good day for the GSAC.  LC over EU, MC over RC and PC over NCWC looks like we are doing better as a league.  So we go into overtime twice in 7 days with Emory to decide a winner.  We had an awful first half.  A really poor showing in a huge home game.  The second half was what we wanted.  We had some huge plays down the stretch.  It was a very intense ending as most are with Emory. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 03, 2006, 10:34:50 PM
Big game in my mind coming up for MC.  Doesnt really mean anything in the sense that it is a DII team but i like the rivalry and I am hoping we can win this one against Carson Newman.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 04, 2006, 11:32:17 AM
we need to win one against CN, we don't want to be 3-3 for sure

Go panthers, huge win over EU, i like it, as well as those Lions picking up a big win, you guys just don't keep it up against my panthers and scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 04, 2006, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on December 03, 2006, 06:16:57 AM
Good day for the GSAC.  LC over EU, MC over RC and PC over NCWC looks like we are doing better as a league.  

Congratulations to LC on a big win over Emory. I've seen them play a couple of times ... IMHO, they are a tough team.

We had a great weekend at the NC Weslyan tournament. That was a pretty strong field. I seriously doubt if many in attendance expected us to win it. I was hopeful, but I have to admit, I was pleasantly surprised by how well we played.

That gym was rocking and rolling Friday night as the home team beat York ... who had beaten CNU earlier in the season. The contrast, with how quiet they were in the 2nd half of the championship game, was truly amazing.

Baldwin won a well deserved MVP trophy. Green and Adams also made the all-tourney team. Whitlock probably would have been strongly considered also, had he not been limited to 12 minutes Friday, by foul trouble ... because he had a monster game Saturday. The "two Jakes" seem to be taking their games to another level. As soon as Adams refinds his shooting stroke he had last season (there were glimpses this weekend), we could be a tough team to beat.

I found it especially gratifying that, even though our outside shooting has been inconsistent, we seem to be riding out the rough spots with tenacious rebounding and team defense. Hallelujah!!!

Parker continued his steady play. Also, kudos to a couple of freshmen, McCoy and Rubio, who played significant minutes and made some nice contributions off the bench. And finally, a special shout out to Drew Bailey, who came in and picked us up with 4 for 5 shooting on threes and some timely rebounding. Looks like he wants some more PT, baby! (Yeah, that was my Dicky V imitation.)

Here are a few links for for those interested in details...

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2006-07/news/taylor2.htm

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/12_02_06_mbkb.htm
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcw06.htm

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/12_01_06_mbkb.htm
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcw05.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 04, 2006, 01:01:17 PM
Congratulations to Render and Hairston.

http://www.greatsouth.org/06-07%20News/11_29_06_MBBPOW.htm

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict the next one will be Baldwin ...

In 3 games, he averaged 30.3 points, 9.0 rebounds and shot 69% from the field.  :o

Is it too soon to start talking about our all GSAC candidates? I've been looking at the performances and it seems to me that 7 or 8 guys are already starting to pull away from the field ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 04, 2006, 08:24:14 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on December 01, 2006, 03:47:19 PM
ok fans of Beaty,
I know you have been waiting for a response the the aparent woes of the MC fighting scots.  The failure to close games can only be put on the shoulders of coach lambert and his lack of senior leadership.  Jeremy hasn't gotten any better since he arrived on campus.  Bo didnt want the last shot and, frankly, I cannot blame him.  He played horribly in this one game.  The best guard was alex bowers.  Bobby and Bradely both had fair games but no one on this team knows how to rebound with the exception of Q.  Rebounding and second chances for OU killed the scots.  I hope there is a change in this in the upcoming weeks.


I disagree. I think Jeremy has gotten better over the years. I think he still lacks confidence and that is a shame because that seems like 1/2 of what it takes. If he had not gotten better I don't think Coach lambert would still be playing him. The kid made a bad pass the other night at a crucial time. I was told that Bradley was cutting toward the basket when Jeremy passed the ball (which looked too long to me anyway) and Bradley was being held. Who knows? Plenty of them screwed up that night but Jeremy's was at the worst possible time. I guess he was the goat. Reminded me of Bradley and the bandaid  ::) As far as the rebounding goes, yeah, it killed them. And why can't guys as big as Bobby and Bradley rebound better than they do? Guess I'll never understand that until I'm 6'7" and play for the Scots!  :D

Jared should be given the chance to play at point. I hope he is given that opportunity and does great. I'm be cheering him on.

I see Alex stepping up with no pressure on him whatsoever while Bo seems to have the weight of the world on his shoulders. I'd like to see people just let the guy play and not have to worry about leading so much. I think I think this because this team  doesn't even look like they want to be led from my POV.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2006, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 04, 2006, 01:01:17 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict the next one will be Baldwin ...


I'm not going to throw my shoulder out of joint, patting myself on the back. It didn't exactly take a lot of foresight to see this one coming ...

Way to go, Jake!!!

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/12_05_06_mbkb.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 05, 2006, 04:32:21 PM
Jeremy is not a goat, there were several plays that would have won the game for the scots, certainly one bad pass did not lose it.

Here is the deal, the rebounding thing can sum it all up, it is all a question of who wants it more, and these guys don't want it more than the next guy, sure they want to win, but only as much as the guys they are playing, not more.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 06, 2006, 12:54:03 PM
www.greatsouth.org  has conference stats up for all of the teams....all 4 of them!  This a new feature and I know you all will love evaluating them with dilligence.  Especially good ole lion.  We are off to Berry tonight and we have a chance to win but we will have to play a better 40 minutes than we have in our last two games.  Hot slate tonight with MC at CN  and PC in a race to 100 with Oglethorpe.  Good luck all GSACers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 06, 2006, 02:24:15 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on December 06, 2006, 12:54:03 PM
www.greatsouth.org  has conference stats up for all of the teams....all 4 of them!  This a new feature and I know you all will love evaluating them with dilligence.  Especially good ole lion.  We are off to Berry tonight and we have a chance to win but we will have to play a better 40 minutes than we have in our last two games.  Hot slate tonight with MC at CN  and PC in a race to 100  with Oglethorpe.  Good luck all GSACers.

Thanks for the heads up, Coach. You have me pegged correctly ... I do enjoy perusing the numbers.

BTW, we all know LC is off to a great start ... and it seems to me you've modified your approach a little ... going with your top players a good bit more than in the past. Seems to be working ...

Good luck in Rome tonight ... and to MC vs CN ... and to us at Oglethorpe. I think we are going to need it. I'm expecting a war tonight ... OU competes almost as hard as LC does.  I think that's been a key for us lately ... we've been getting our intensity level up in the "LaGrange range" lately.

Race to 100? Coach, look at those numbers again ... we are becoming a defensive juggernaut!  :D


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 06, 2006, 03:06:09 PM
let's just make it three strong victories for the gsac.

Where is allen white now, why won't he show up on this board now?

Has he lost confidence in his hawks repeating this year as GSAC champs?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on December 06, 2006, 03:56:35 PM
nope its still very early
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 06, 2006, 04:58:41 PM
The game of games is tonight.  An MC team that has lacked leadership and enthusiasm other than the enthusiasm of Bradely, which could be viewed as negative sense he got a T in the otterbein game, against a not very good DII Carson Newman.  Will the scots win?  I will be in Jeff. County to find out.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 07, 2006, 08:38:53 AM
I can't wait to read the takes on last night's game. I knew we were in trouble as soonas I saw a certain person out on the court.

Bobby and Bradley had 4 fouls called in what? 4 minutes? 5 mins. tops? I have no idea what those guys saw. Maybe thery were just trying to get control of the game right away knowing it is such a rivalry. However, I'd rather see the foul committed before one is called. That part of the game was as bad as I've ever seen (at least in the first half--I left at halftime).

MC can't win w/o some rebounding and 3's. I believe in the second half they shot 22 3's and hit 3.  :o  I know they had trouble playing defense and it still looked that way to me but maybe it is hard to play D when the whistles are constantly blowing.

Because of the early foul trouble and because the experienced players aren't stepping up, we saw some younger guys stepping up last night. Andrew Shamate had the game of his MC career, I think (at least in the 1st half) and Jared once again was giving it his all by giving 110%.

MC could have won that ballgame desite the lack of 3's, the bad officiating (call I even say that here?) which led to foul trouble early in the game, IF they had hit their free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 07, 2006, 08:52:16 AM
Officiating is never an excuse.. I did not make it to the game but I heard the first half on the radio. It seemed the refs were whistle happy in the beggining of the game but going into a road dam you know its  versus 8. I only fouled out once in my college career and it was at Carson Newman so I know the feeling.

Regardless of th officiating it was a very winnable game for the Scots. Our shot selection and rebounding continue to be a problem. I know its frustrating for Coach L but he is a proven winner and will steer this team back to the Fighting Scots winning way..
Only disappointing thing is that I don't know the last time Coach Lambert was 3-3 after 6 games!!! Big game against Emory coming up!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 07, 2006, 10:11:26 AM
maybe you scots fans need to talk to some of the guys who have been around and put this current streak together in the beginning, the first 2 or 3 trips to the NCAA tourney in this 8 year run, before MC got the national respect of randomly being voted into the preseason top 25 based on their name, back when anybody would schedule maryville b/c they were just another team, this team has all the signs of a losing team, well they are not losing, but let's be honest 3-3, players who get big minutes are not willing to do the little things i.e. hustle, rebound, screen, defend, etc.  We did not get 1 loose ball against Otterbein and i bet we did not get many last night against a terrible program like CN.  the bench players are willing, but they are not near as talented or experienced, take it from a guy who sat in the CN locker room with a record of 3-6 early in the season.  It takes a lot of commitment to turn something like this around.  I will say this, this 3-3 team has ten times the talent that 3-6 team had, and there were multiple all south players on that 3-6 roster
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 07, 2006, 11:21:34 AM
Here is my take on things right now in Scot Country:
Lack of toughness, rebounding,and leadership will always make you a more than beatable team!!
Grubb you know how our teams played and this is not the way. My observations on players at times is critical but here is mine: Point Guards need to set up and manage the game. As good as a player as I think Bo is his decision making skills are poor. When your a point guard and you think shoot first pass second your in trouble.
I am critical of Bo because he has all th potential to be great at this level. You can't shoot 50 of you 80 shots (Old Lion would love that) from 3point range when your a point guard.. Point guards need to get to the paint and he lives on the perimeter!!

I hate to see the Alma Mater struggle!!!!!! We will win Saturday against Emory!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 07, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on December 07, 2006, 11:21:34 AM
Point Guards need to set up and manage the game. As good as a player as I think Bo is his decision making skills are poor. When your a point guard and you think shoot first pass second your in trouble.
I am critical of Bo because he has all th potential to be great at this level. You can't shoot 50 of you 80 shots (Old Lion would love that) from 3point range when your a point guard.. Point guards need to get to the paint and he lives on the perimeter!!

Killer, in defense of Bo ... several posters (you and I included) have said for a long time now that Bo is a combo guard rather than a PG ... but it seems from the box score, that MC is not even trying to play him at PG anymore ...
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/NCAABoxScore12-6-06M.pdf
Isn't Anderson a PG?

It seems to me that if there is a legitimate criticism of Bo, it is that he is off to a rough start shooting the ball ... 32.6% from the field is not too good when your forte is shooting the ball.
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/CombinedStats12-6-06M.pdf

Bo is a great shooter, I'm sure he'll get that % up as the season progresses.

You make an excellent point about a PG needing to get in the lane. I haven't seen MC play, so this is pure conjecture ... but maybe part of Bo's problem is that he is not playing with a PG who can break down the defense and get him good shots?

Also Killer, on a different subject ... I think I owe you an apology. I admit, I questioned your judgment when you picked LC to win the GSAC. But they are playing great! Nice win over NAIA Berry last night. They have to be considered the favorite at this point. But, I'm not counting my Lions out yet. The GSAC is as wide open as it's ever been.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 07, 2006, 01:55:50 PM
Tough loss for the Lions last night.

We were off to a great start ... up by 10, about 7 minutes into the game when Green got hurt. He was sandwiched between two guys going to the hole, landed hard on his back and had to sit for a while. It was a little scary, he was down for several minutes. With our PG out, their press started working and the momentum of the game shifted.

But we hung tough, played great D in the 2nd half (after terrible D in the 1st half) and had a chance to win at the end. But I give credit to OU ... they are a tough, Sr laden team ... and they made the big plays when they had to, down the stretch.

Still, I can't help but think it would have been a different game had our PG not been injured. Oh well, woulda, coulda, shouda ... stuff happens ... if we had played better D in the 1st half, it wouldn't have mattered that our PG was hobbled.

OU won it ... no excuses.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/12_06_06_mbkb2.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 07, 2006, 02:12:02 PM
Thanks for all of the congrats and compliments.  I have to be honest with you.  We are winning games but I don't feel like we are playing well enough.  We have caught breaks and made a few breaks along the way.  Have any of you ever noticed that we have the second most views on this board and every other conference is at lease double our size.  That is a Panther mentality right there if I ever so one.  Great job.  I could coach you guys!  I will make the statement again that I have to make every year it seems like....Maryville will be just fine.  Three things will happen in your life 1. pay taxes  2. Die  3. Maryville will win ball games.  Good luck to everyone this weekend.  Please make a big good luck wish for us.  This will be the first time I have coached against a team with one of my former players on the other bench.  We currently have 4 high school head coaches, 3 college assistants and 3 high school assistants out of the last 6 graduating classes.  I think that is awesome and something I am very proud.  Even though I had very little to do with it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 07, 2006, 02:32:06 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on December 07, 2006, 11:21:34 AM
Here is my take on things right now in Scot Country:
Lack of toughness, rebounding,and leadership will always make you a more than beatable team!!

I agree with you. I realize officiating isn't an excuse. I just think they were calling things that weren't happening. It looked liked Bobby was tip-toeing around after that not able to be more aggressive because of the whistle. I promise you, it was bad last night. However, we still could have won. But w/o those things you stated above, it just isn't going to happen. :(

Bo is playing PG and not guard. Eric played a lot last night but never at PG. Is he a PG? Only Bo and Jared played PG. I just wonder what's going on in Bo's head? Is his heart in the PG position since he was to move over? Is he feeling pressure to lead and is not sure how to? Is he feeling pressure to be the PG AND shoot the 3 since there isn't much back-up there? I believe in Bo Mason and want to see him have a great year...yet, all I see is a young man struggling out there. From a fan's POV, it is really hard to watch.

I'd like to see Jared at point, Bo in for the 3's and Bobby and Bradley in all at the same time but that never seems to happen so I guess for whatever reason, you just don't do it.
Alex got hurt right off the bat last night and we missed him. He could and probably would have made a difference as he has come through for us so far this season. For me, he has come out of nowhere and I love that. But with no expectations, I know, it is easier to do that than for a few of the other guys who feel the pressure of the expectation.

It will be great seeing Randy work the magic with this team as 3-3 is hard on a fan's heart!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 07, 2006, 02:36:51 PM
Bo is playing out of position and he is feeling a lot of pressure, if he works at it he will be fine, just relax and shoot the ball, he oculd have hit 21 threes against Ohio state marion in the first half.

My let down is not on the perimeter, it is in the post, we have 4 legit players down there, b/c i will tell you, all you other gsac schools would love to have either golden/shumate or blair/holiday starting on your blocks and we cannot get a rebound, that is a problem

I think Bo, Alex, and Q are doing an admirable job, you basically have three shooting guards trying to fill 3 perimeter spots, and no one on that team works harder than those 3, at least over the summer

Now on to lagrange, Coach, if i could tell you how many games we won at maryville and we felt like we were playing like crap, winning is finding a way to win no matter what, not playing every game perfect, you try and play your best, but that is not what happens, you take what you have that night and put in a lot of sweat and effort and make it a victory, keep up the good work and congrats

LC 6-2 and ready for you!!!!!!   Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 07, 2006, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 07, 2006, 02:36:51 PM

I think Bo, Alex, and Q are doing an admirable job, you basically have three shooting guards trying to fill 3 perimeter spots, and no one on that team works harder than those 3, at least over the summer


I do agree with you and I think it shows on the court. Q is making everyone look twice this year!

And those rebounds are killing us. Sometimes they look like everything that is shot is supposed to go in so they just won't bother blocking out and going for the rebound. My god, their huge (at least B & B) get in there and go for the ball!! At least, look like you are attempting to rebound the ball!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 07, 2006, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 07, 2006, 02:36:51 PM
in the post, we have 4 legit players down there, b/c i will tell you, all you other gsac schools would love to have either golden/shumate or blair/holiday starting on your blocks and we cannot get a rebound, that is a problem

We would love to have any one of the four of them to give Baldwin a hand inside.

It's hard to imagine what's going on with MC's rebounding ... this is hard to believe ...

REBOUNDING:
## Player-Team               G  OFF  DEF  TOT Avg/G
1.Baldwin, Jake-PC.........     7   15   51   66   9.4
2.Golden, Bobby-MC.........     6    9   34   43   7.2
4.Whitlock, Tyler-PC.......     7    7   39   46   6.6
6.Green, Jake-PC...........     7   12   28   40   5.7
8.Holliday, Jeremy-MC......     6    8   21   29   4.8
13.Blair, Bradley-MC........     6    6   17   23   3.8
18.Adams, Mike-PC...........     7    4  15   19   2.7
19.Shumate, Andrew-MC.......     6    9    6   15   2.5


REBOUNDING MARGIN G  TEAM   Avg  OPP   Avg Margin

1.Piedmont College....  7   274  39.1  252  36.0   +3.1

3.Maryville College...  6   206  34.3  230  38.3   -4.0

This is truly unbelievable!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 07, 2006, 03:55:44 PM
Since I am probably the only person who was at the CN game let me lay it straight.  Yeah the refs were horrible and called so many nit-picky fouls that we could not even look at them, yeah bobby and bradley were sidelined with fouls and bowers got hurt after about 3 minutes, but the reason for the scots loosing is we can not shoot and we have no leadership.  When we were hanging in there bo would jack up so illadvised shot which would lead to layups on the other end.  Bobby had no post presence and Bradely couldnt control himself when he had the hot and and fouled out.  What has happened to my scots?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 07, 2006, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on December 07, 2006, 03:55:44 PM
Since I am probably the only person who was at the CN game let me lay it straight.  Yeah the refs were horrible and called so many nit-picky fouls that we could not even look at them, yeah bobby and bradley were sidelined with fouls and bowers got hurt after about 3 minutes, but the reason for the scots loosing is we can not shoot and we have no leadership.  When we were hanging in there bo would jack up so illadvised shot which would lead to layups on the other end.  Bobby had no post presence and Bradely couldnt control himself when he had the hot and and fouled out.  What has happened to my scots?

Well, you weren't the "only person there" and I saw what you saw. I just don't know why I seeing what I was seeing. ( I am not sure whether that calls for a chuckle of a crying smilie.

Hopefully Randy will figure out how to turn that into a  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 07, 2006, 10:06:16 PM
well i went to the UT/Memphis game, i am smarter than both of you, i knew we were not going to win on the road and just did not want to see it, these kids don't handle adversity well, you get some crap calls, you face reality that you have to play in foul trouble and you have to win despite the foul trouble, that is what winners do

You all give the wise Randall D. Lambert time, he does not have all that gray hair for nothin', that is knowledge and wisdom people, i will say this, i am glad i am not at those practices with Coach Lambert and a 3-3 record, not fun, but not as intense as a focused maryville team that wants to win for themselves, not b/c coach lambert makes them, but those that want it from within, those practices are scary.

I will say at this point, Coach Haynes could beat the Randy one in a game of stomp the grass at half court of boydson baird, at least that is what the odds makers in vegas are saying
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 08, 2006, 12:18:24 PM
OK ... I'm tired of talking about what a surprise both LC and MC are. Probably everyone else (with the obvious exception of Coach Haynes  ;) ) is too.

So let's discuss our candidates for all-GSAC. I suggest we break it down by position ... assuming they pick a 1st and 2nd teams, that would be ...

2 - Point Guards
4 - Wing/Combo Guards
4 - Big Guys

At this point, the first 8 are obvious ... seems to me, there is going to be quite a battle for the last two spots. If someone told me to pick my guys, that we had to go play the USA conference in a NBA-like, 7 game series, I'd start with these 8.  And if I were a betting man, I'd feel pretty comfortable putting a few bucks on our guys. 

Ist Team:
PG - Green
Wing - Lawrence
Wing - Maddox
BG - Baldwin
BG - Render

2nd Team:
PG - ? ... Baize maybe?
Wing - Mason
Wing - ? ... at least 4 or 5 guys in the running for this spot
BG - Golden
BG - Hairston

I know ... no MC guys in my first five. Admittedly, that doesn't look right. In my mind, Bobby, then Bo, are strong 6th and 7th choices ... and in a hypothetical 7 game series, they (and Hairston) would certainly get major minutes. But I can't honestly say I'd pick either of them over any of the top 5. Those top 5 are all off to great starts in a wide variety of categories ... certainly in all the categories that are considered important for their respective positions ... and then some! Do you think that 1st 5 could get out and push the pace? Man, they could run some people into the ground!

Perhaps this will start a lively discussion ...  8)

http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/confldrs.htm
For some reason, the most recent PC stats aren't on the GSAC site yet ...
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/teamcume.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 08, 2006, 01:49:41 PM
alright i don't think it looks right  either b/c we all have different opinions, before we go giving green and baldwin 1st team over mason/golden, let's see them beat maryville.  they were knocked off last year but that was HC not PC

remember, all conference awards should be heavily weighted on conference games, not saying that PC won't beat MC this year, but let's see what kind of magic Randall D pulls off before March and if PC can keep this going which they are doing great

Also, Bradley Blair maybe the 2nd best center in the league
the Killer B's will all get all conference awards, just give them time
maryville's 3 losses aren't that bad, otterbein is a tough program, CN is D2, and the scots have a rematch with emory tomorrow that could get us some redemption with our only south region loss, if I know Randy and kendall, which i do, they will have some things squared away by tomorrow and you all will see why Bobby was a preseason all american
i pick the scots by 12 against Emory, Randy has had time to beat into their very thick skulls that they are 3-3 and that is not how the scots roll

I can't wait to see what happens with LC and Valdosta, go panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 08, 2006, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 08, 2006, 01:49:41 PM
alright i don't think it looks right  either b/c we all have different opinions, before we go giving green and baldwin 1st team over mason/golden, let's see them beat maryville.  they were knocked off last year but that was HC not PC

remember, all conference awards should be heavily weighted on conference games, not saying that PC won't beat MC this year, but let's see what kind of magic Randall D pulls off before March and if PC can keep this going which they are doing great

Also, Bradley Blair maybe the 2nd best center in the league

OK, you have your MC bias, I have my PC bias ... that's a given.

But let me challenge your logic on a few issues...

1) You are suggesting that PC has to beat Maryville before Green and Baldwin can be considered the best PG and big man, respectively, in the GSAC. Hmmm ... not buying it. I'm suggesting it is much more complex than that ... there are other factors ...  According to that logic, Nash couldn't have been the MVP the past 2 years ... it would have had to have been Wade and Duncan.

2)remember, all conference awards should be heavily weighted on conference games? With all due respect, that is pretty much BS. Apparently you haven't noticed , but our conference is pretty much irrelevant ... we don't have an automatic bid, we only play 6 conference games ... You are saying that post season honors s/b decided primarily on 6 games, as opposed to the entire season? Think about it ... If there is a group of games that are particularly relevant, it's the region games, not just the GSAC games. The region games are the ones that will determine who makes it to the post season.

3) Seems to me, Green or Mason? ... is the wrong question ... Green is a PG. Mason is a SG. (Killer, you got my back here?) If you want to argue for Mason as a 1st teamer, you s/b arguing that he is a better SG than Lawrence?

4) I like Blair a lot ... would love to have him on my team.  But 2nd best center?  I don't think so, because if he is, that means Bobby is #3, because Baldwin is clearly #1, at least at this point ... just look at pts, rebs, and FG% ... It's not even close! And if MC designs an effective defense to contain him and happens to beat PC because there are a better team and/or they have 4 quality big guys ... Well, I'm not taking the jump in logic with you that that means Baldwin can't be a better big man than Golden.

You are right ... we all have different opinions ... but I don't see how you can fault my logic?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on December 08, 2006, 03:56:44 PM
I guess I am entitled to one babbling post for the year, so here is my take.  I will comment mainly on the post position. 

Mr. Green, lets just try to compare apples to apples in terms of numbers (since that was what the emphasis was on in your picks).  More importantly, I would like to put Baldwin side by side against Bradley Blair.

Baldwin - 31 min, 51%, 9.4 Rebs, 25.9 pts
Blair - 15 min, 48%, 3.8 rebs, 13.7 pts

So lets just take Blairs stats and put them on a 30 min game clip (basing that he would keep up that pace)

Blair - 30 min, 48%, 7.6 Rebs, 27.4 pts

With that being said, I do not see how Blair could be left off.  My first team posts would consist of Baldwin and Blair.  Second team would be Render and Golden.  Any choice would be a good one for first team and justified.  I would like to be a coach with these four players, good problem to have. 

It is early and these numbers will change, they will actually probably go down.  I will be suprised if Baldwin stays above 20 on the year.   

My one take on the PG situation, Bo is a point guard.  He may be "out of position" but he is the starting point guard.  I love Bo's shooting ability when he is on, but I love Jake's passing skills and leadership.  The only hole is Jake's game that bothers me is his shooting.  I need a point guard that can knock down a wide open 3, I have yet to see him do that. 

I hope that post made sense, if not, well tough, dont read it again.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 08, 2006, 04:58:08 PM
I am sorry y'all are so bored with actual basketball that you are already discussing GSAC all-conference honors before any GSAC games have even been played!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 08, 2006, 05:09:43 PM
i think the head to head match up will answer all my questions between Baldwin-Blair/Golden as well as Mason/Green and to be the man you have to beat the man.

All games true, but you have a chance to see head to head match ups to weight the voting and that is what conference games are for.

Bo is a PG, he is the starting PG for MC, he is playing out of position, but there it is, check the media guide and who brings the ball up

I will say one thing, i cannot wait to see them go head to head in a PC/MC game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 08, 2006, 06:04:34 PM
Has anyone heard how Fisk is doing now?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 08, 2006, 10:58:43 PM
I was strolling behind the bench at the CN game and Randy was none to pleased.  I heard him say "I hate losing to Carson Newman."  This one meant a lot to the old ball coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 09, 2006, 10:29:20 AM
Big South Region game today against Emory today.  Ill be there with bells on.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 09, 2006, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on December 08, 2006, 03:56:44 PM
I guess I am entitled to one babbling post for the year, so here is my take.  I will comment mainly on the post position. 

Mr. Green, lets just try to compare apples to apples( in terms of numbers since that was what the emphasis was on in your picks).  More importantly, I would like to put Baldwin side by side against Bradley Blair.

Baldwin - 31 min, 51%, 9.4 Rebs, 25.9 pts
Blair - 15 min, 48%, 3.8 rebs, 13.7 pts

So lets just take Blairs stats and put them on a 30 min game clip (basing that he would keep up that pace)

Blair - 30 min, 48%, 7.6 Rebs, 27.4 pts

With that being said, I do not see how Blair could be left off.  My first team posts would consist of Baldwin and Blair.  Second team would be Render and Golden.  Any choice would be a good one for first team and justified.  I would like to be a coach with these four players, good problem to have. 

It is early and these numbers will change, they will actually probably go down.  I will be suprised if Baldwin stays above 20 on the year.   

My one take on the PG situation, Bo is a point guard.  He may be "out of position" but he is the starting point guard.  I love Bo's shooting ability when he is on, but I love Jake's passing skills and leadership.  The only hole is Jake's game that bothers me is his shooting.  I need a point guard that can knock down a wide open 3, I have yet to see him do that. 

I hope that post made sense, if not, well tough, dont read it again.

Welcome back, oh yeah. It's good to have you back. The board hasn't exactly been teeming with the exchange of intellectual thought lately ... we need your input.

You make some good points, but you got Baldwin's #s wrong. He is shooting 63% from the field, not 51% and he is now up to averaging a double-double ... 26.6 and 10.1! If he can keep up anything close to this pace, he'll be POY easily.
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/teamcume.htm

But I agree with you that there are a lot of worthy candidates for the 2 big man spots ... but I'd say 5 guys, not 4. After Baldwin, a strong case could be made for Render, Golden, Blair, and don't forget Hairston.

I think the real log jam maybe at the last wing spot ... I have 5 guys on my "watch list" at this point ... Whitlock, Adams, Bowers, Bradley, and Miller. Whitlock strengthened his case with a nice effort last night.
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcm08.htm


I agree with your comment re Green ... he does need to shoot more. What's frustrating is that he can, but just doesn't ... he has been a 38% 3 pt shooter over his PC career. IMHO, as good as he is at driving, drawing, and dishing, he could be even better if he would take the open J more. Although in his defense I must say, a PGs primary responsibilities are running the team, distributing the ball and making good decisions ... it rarely seems to be a poor decision to get the ball to Baldwin.  ;)

Also, re this comment,
Quotein terms of numbers, since that was what the emphasis was on in your picks
not entirely true ... especially where Green is concerned. He is definitely a "synergy guy" ... his value will never be fully appreciated looking only at the numbers. But that's usually the case when discussing "true PGs" ... right, Killer?

Where are you, Killer? We haven't heard from you lately...

Keep posting, ohyeah ... we need you, man.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 09, 2006, 02:23:21 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 08, 2006, 01:49:41 PM
before we go giving green and baldwin 1st team over mason/golden, let's see them beat maryville. 

FYI, I called Kevin Garnett this morning to discuss you theory ...

He didn't really think much of the idea that for him to be considered for 1st team all NBA, the T'Wolves would have to beat the Spurs (Tim), Mavericks (Dirk), and Nuggets (Mello).  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 09, 2006, 08:10:07 PM
Emory was no match for MC today! The Fighting Scots looked great to me! Rebounds, shots, defense. I saw it all. I'm sure someone will come along with a stick and burst my bubble,  :D, but still, to a fan, they looked great. Like a team who wanted to win.

Brady had 19 points. He's got a sweet shot that we saw on Alumni game day and it was good to see him back out there shooting the ball. There's a lot of stepping up happening from Coach L's bench! That Jared is going to be one great PG if he keeps it up. Talk about energy and making it fun for the average fan...he's got it!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 09, 2006, 10:53:05 PM
Wow ... very impressive!

MC by 40 over Emory ... that should put an end to all this "what's wrong with Murvul?" talk.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 10, 2006, 02:31:18 PM
Randy Lambert on the radio said he thought the Scots were beginning to accept the system, esp. on defense, and it showed.  More team defense than I have seen this year.  Played Bradley and Bobby together for a while and they were tough to defend like that.  And is that the way Brady Neal usually shoots?  Who knew.  And all this without Alex Bowers (ankle).  Shumate had 11 rebounds. 

Chris Orr told me he will not be able to play this year...a ligament in the ankle or foot.  Maybe he can eat some this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 10, 2006, 05:56:29 PM
I would not say one game remedied everything that was wrong, but i would say it did a lot.  I think Jared emerged as a solid back up pg and will see more playing time which will free Bobo up, especially while Bowers is hurt

The score is not a misprint, MC hammered Emory, It was fun to watch

Also, I cant wait to see the PC/MC matchup this year, it will remind me of the MC/PC game of 2000 when they had Jarvis Towns, that guy could go head to head with Kevin Garnett
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 11, 2006, 07:46:59 AM
I hate to say I told you so, but......I told you Maryville will be just fine.   To make things clear about our 104-77 loss at Valdosta State on Saturday.  We could have won that game.  If we played the same against all of the teams we have beaten so far this year, we would lose half of them.  We were the biggest reason we lost the game.  I don't want anyone to think that we went down there to keep it close and after the game we admitted that they were bigger and better and that was supposed to happen.  If you give talented players the ball 25 times more than you are supposed to they will score more points than you.  Valdosta is a good team but they are still working on getting it the way they want it down there.  Jeffrey Pourchier LC Class of '03 is a monster recruiter and they are just trying to get everyone to blend.  It was 21-20 LC at 9:22, 5 turnovers and 3 minutes later 29-24 VSU...lc down 13 at half.  At 16:38 Down 8, at 12:33 down 9, then never see single digits again.  It's finals week then off to Dallas.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 11, 2006, 08:59:14 AM
Lions fall to Averett, 73 -67 ... we didn't play our best game, but I can't fault the effort. We may not have all the components you would ideally like to see in a basketball team (most teams don't) ... But, one thing I'll say for our guys, we always compete hard.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/12_10_06_mbkb.htm

After the game, the consensus was that Averett was probably the best team we've played to date. Their depth and team play were impressive.

Quick story ...

A few years back, my son was on a very good team, several seasons in a row. During that time, I noticed a trend. Acquaintances of mine, from our opponents, would frequently come up to me after a game,  and say things along the lines of, "Congratulations, you guys played well ... I don't know what was wrong with us today... we just didn't seem to be on top of our game."

Well, being the diplomatic fellow that I am, I'd always just smile and mumble something non-committal ... but I was always thinking, "Well yeah, that was sort of our plan ... to keep you from being on top of your game!"

So, Kudos to Averett!

Here's wishing everyone a happy holiday season.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 11, 2006, 09:12:03 AM
You buy into the system and everything will be alright... Good Win for the Scots Saturday!!
As for the All Conference talk its tooooooooooo dang early fellas. Not even 1/3 of the season is over with and your talking about player of the year!!
I for one believe All Conference should be detremined on how you do against those teams in your conference and common opponents.
In my opinion the best players in the Conference are: PG-Green SG- Bo Mason W-Baldwin Post-Hairston P-Golden and Blair (Tie)...
Green is a bit similiar to me when I played.. When you look at his numbers they don't really stand out but if you take him away from his team they are in BIG TROUBLE!!
I wish I could have averaged the minutes BO has had these past two years..
So with that I say this when determining All Conference or Player of the Year its all comes down to who makes his team better "WINNING" and that will always stir up conversation because with all due respect to my friend and pal Sidney Ellis I should have been the Player of the Year in the Conference my Senior year!!!!, but hey Killer only and will always care about one thing WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My All Conference predictions will come later on...

Glad to see Brady Neal and SHumate play well.. By the way Brady Neal has the ability but does he have the consistency?????? Bench play is what has always made the Scots better than anyone in the conference...

GP update: Varsity team 4-5 (remember they only won 5 games all of last year) and JV and Freshman team Coached by yours truly is a combined 7-2!!!!!!! GP Highlander basketball its FANTASTIC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 11, 2006, 11:55:12 AM
If Averett's coach is still Allen who played at Emory and Henry, I would expect them to play like a team coached by someone who both understands team basketball and the importance of effort.  Probably was a good game with the Lions, since they play that way too.  Not too long ago (last year?), the Scots sauntered up to Averett and got beat.

Maybe in the long run it is good for GSAC teams to lose a few to USA South so they will not fear a merger of the conferences.

So Killer, is Player of the Year the same as Most Valuable Player?  Sounds like that is what you are arguing for. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 11, 2006, 12:16:06 PM
I amo not arguing.. I could careless about a plaque or trophy but when it comes down to it, a Player of the Year award should always go to a player from a winning team and yes I guess you could say Most Valuable Player!!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 11, 2006, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 11, 2006, 11:55:12 AM
If Averett's coach is still Allen who played at Emory and Henry, I would expect them to play like a team coached by someone who both understands team basketball and the importance of effort.  Probably was a good game with the Lions, since they play that way too.  Not too long ago (last year?), the Scots sauntered up to Averett and got beat.

Yep, that's the guy ... pretty impressive resume.
http://web.averett.edu/athletics/mebballco.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 11, 2006, 01:21:13 PM
Killer's GP team is sick, i have seen them, mad crossovers and behind the back passes, exactly what you would expect from the Killer
I always look at player of the year as if you had one possession score tied 10 seconds left to win the conference tourney whose hands would you want to touch the ball?  Answer it that way.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 11, 2006, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 11, 2006, 01:21:13 PM
I always look at player of the year as if you had one possession score tied 10 seconds left to win the conference tourney whose hands would you want to touch the ball?  Answer it that way.

For POY ... I look at it this way ... if you had to go play a huge game, who is the one player you would least like to do without?

Similarly, for all conference, if you had that huge game to play, who are the 5 guys you'd want on the floor?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 11, 2006, 11:27:42 PM
Nice article in the DailyTimes about the Scots youth movement.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061211/SPORTS/612110303
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 12, 2006, 11:29:09 AM
Gentlemen and Oh Yeah,
we are getting so close to conference games i can smell them and to this point i would have to say the preconference schedule has been very successful for the GSAC except HC, pensacola christian come on.
I would say LC has been the biggest surprise, maryville's 4-3 the second biggest, and in a close 3rd PC's good nonconference showing, which was not really a huge surprise but they do have some nice victories.
I can't wait to see these conference games this year b/c for the first time I would say  Maryville is not the favorite to win it all.  last year they lost their first regular season games so everyone knows they are vulnerable.  I expect to see some heated matchups and some good old fashion thrashings of HC by the other 3 schools.  I can't wait to see Green and Mason go head to head, which in the last game Bo even played good defense.  Also, Baldwin, Hairston, and Golden/Blair battle in the paint.  And maybe even a one on one matchup between Lambert and Haynes.

My predictions on conference records
LC 4-2
MC 4-2
PC 3-3
HC 0-6

I just think it is going to come down to LC/MC this year, even though PC is doing really well, my opinion is that LC and MC will battle for the regular season title, but that is not my tournament prediction.  I will save that til we see some conference games.

With Regards,
The Fighting Matt Grubb
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 12, 2006, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 12, 2006, 11:29:09 AM
Gentlemen and Oh Yeah,
we are getting so close to conference games i can smell them and to this point i would have to say the preconference schedule has been very successful for the GSAC except HC, pensacola christian come on.
I would say LC has been the biggest surprise, maryville's 4-3 the second biggest, and in a close 3rd PC's good nonconference showing, which was not really a huge surprise but they do have some nice victories.
I can't wait to see these conference games this year b/c for the first time I would say  Maryville is not the favorite to win it all.  last year they lost their first regular season games so everyone knows they are vulnerable.  I expect to see some heated matchups and some good old fashion thrashings of HC by the other 3 schools.  I can't wait to see Green and Mason go head to head, which in the last game Bo even played good defense.  Also, Baldwin, Hairston, and Golden/Blair battle in the paint.  And maybe even a one on one matchup between Lambert and Haynes.

My predictions on conference records
LC 4-2
MC 4-2
PC 3-3
HC 0-6

I just think it is going to come down to LC/MC this year, even though PC is doing really well, my opinion is that LC and MC will battle for the regular season title, but that is not my tournament prediction.  I will save that til we see some conference games.

With Regards,
The Fighting Matt Grubb

A word of caution ... It may be a little premature for us all to be putting 2 in the "W column" against HC. If they can do this against OU, they aren't dead yet. Apparently, even though they are smaller, HC is still pretty good on the glass.
http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/hcm12-11.htm

IMHO, OU is a pretty good team. They have all those tough, gritty, Sr guards that seem to have been there 4 or 5 years ... and their big guy has really emerged and is off to a great start. BTW, I'd like to hear from someone who saw the game ... how in the world did HC hold Shaheed to 0 points and only 4 rebounds? I see he played 29 minutes and didn't foul out ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on December 12, 2006, 01:22:38 PM
I was @ the OU and HC game, OU came out and dominated the first 25 minutes and had a 43-22 lead.  OU got a little stagnent on offense and HC started knockin down some shots.  The game got quite physical in 2nd half and the refs were letting them play.  OU couldnt make shots in the second half, they finished 5-23 from 3, with 4 of those makes coming from one player.

Huntington doubled and tripled shaheed all night, and he did what he had to do.  He made good kickout passes and hit diagonal cutters, but players for OU just couldnt finish.  Have to give HC credit though, they showed alot of grit.  They are not the most talented team, but they fought unitl the end.  Dickinson had 22 on 7-14 and tulowitsky had 21 on 8-15.  OU forced 30 turnovers but got outrebounded badly, I can remember about 5 offensive rebounds on one possession 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 12, 2006, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: spfan22 on December 12, 2006, 01:22:38 PM
I was @ the OU and HC game, OU came out and dominated the first 25 minutes and had a 43-22 lead.  OU got a little stagnent on offense and HC started knockin down some shots.  The game got quite physical in 2nd half and the refs were letting them play.  OU couldnt make shots in the second half, they finished 5-23 from 3, with 4 of those makes coming from one player.

Huntington doubled and tripled shaheed all night, and he did what he had to do.  He made good kickout passes and hit diagonal cutters, but players for OU just couldnt finish.  Have to give HC credit though, they showed alot of grit.  They are not the most talented team, but they fought unitl the end.  Dickinson had 22 on 7-14 and tulowitsky had 21 on 8-15.  OU forced 30 turnovers but got outrebounded badly, I can remember about 5 offensive rebounds on one possession 

Thanks for the report.

Since you are obviously close to the team,  ;) what do you attribute Shaheed's great improvement to? Your guards have been good ... but I think his emergence is what has made you a much improved team this year.

Where did he play his HS ball?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on December 12, 2006, 02:55:43 PM
Shaheed had a slow start to the season last year, but when he was put into the starting lineup about 10 games into the season, he averaged 16ppg and 10rpg.  So, he definitely didn't just improve over night.  It seems like the biggest attribute to his success has been his confidence, as well as being surrounded by solid veteran guards.  I believe he played his high school ball at W.D. Muhammad
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 12, 2006, 06:26:14 PM
Randy Lambert has been pumping his players with his philosophy lately in practice.  Expect a better MC team every game because of there young players getting more and more pt.  you know it is going your way if Grady is drilling 3's like crazy and Q backs in a 3 off of the back of the rim.  GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 13, 2006, 11:15:05 AM
Lambert will have his boys ready for Saturday, unfortunately I don't think Sewanee will be much of a test.  I think MC will just over power them, the real test for the scots will be Transy.  I hope they are not overlooking the university of the South b/c it is always nice to beat sewanee it is kind of a rivalry.


Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 14, 2006, 12:38:25 PM
Good game this Saturday for the Scots. Its a measuring stick to see if we will keep improving or take a step back against a team like Sewanee..

Coach Lambert is approaching 500 wins!!!! I think he is very close..
Matt Grubb city league starts in Jan. of 2007 and I am going to go bananas on your team...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 14, 2006, 01:04:26 PM
first of all my team will win city league because I am a trained winner.  second of all randy looks way too young to be anywhere near 500 wins.  has he turned 30 yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 14, 2006, 05:20:45 PM
although in the past maryville has played down to sewanee's level.  I hope that is not the case this time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 14, 2006, 11:32:41 PM
Yeah it's not like the Scots have owned Sewanee lately....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 15, 2006, 12:16:12 PM
Matt Grubb let me remind you that you LOST THE ALUMNI GAME TO US!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So your TRAINED WINNER theme hushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it..... ;)

I might see you tomorrow at the game.. Go Scots!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 15, 2006, 05:35:13 PM
I lost to housewright and i always have, who do you think trained me.  He is my Yoda
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2006, 07:21:12 PM
I saw LaGrange defeat Dallas Christian College, 84-67.  LaGrange went deep into their bench and looked good.

LaGrange catches UDallas tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 16, 2006, 11:06:14 PM
looks like a south region win for the scots  good job  and good luck at transy

go panthers beat UD
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2006, 12:39:13 AM
Scots were pushed by U of South and were not sharp...need to step it up at Transy!  Jared got hurt and he was the most energetic Scot on the floor today.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2006, 07:01:13 PM
I saw LaGrange fall just short of UDallas tonight.  Denetris Render hit a streak at the 6 minute mark with a couple of steals and baskets to pull LaGrange to within 2 at 60-62 with 4:59 left.  LC pulled to within 63-66 at the 2:02 mark, but UDallas (http://www.udallas.edu/athletics/mbasketball/schedule.cfm?Year=T) remained ahead by clutch free throw shooting and won 79-71.

UDallas only plays UT-Dallas (56-90 loss), U Ozarks (86-85 neutral court win) and UT-Tyler in late January among the ASC teams.  The Austin College game tomorrow will give a little more insight in the relative strengths across the south.

We will see if they are Pool B material.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 18, 2006, 02:00:57 PM
i hate seeing my panthers lose

I sure hope the scotty dogs can pull out a W tonight in lexington but it feels as if the vols are going to rupp, if they do it will be a great win for them.  a win that will be looked at heavily come late February.


Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 18, 2006, 03:53:14 PM
Texas is far.  I want to send a public thanks for the support Ralph Turner gave us both days in Dallas.  I true ambassador for D3Hoops posters everywhere.  We stunk it up in Dallas.  We missed more bunnies than there are stars in Texas.  We are on break now until after Christmas and we need more practice than we do rest at this point.  Our guys are fresh and playing hard but we are really struggling with being razor sharp.  We are more like a butter knife right now.  It gets the job done but not the best way to do things.  U of Dallas is a very good team.  They have size, shooters, versatility and depth.  I will be very surprised if they don't make the tournament at the end of the year.  As I have said before....our situation mirrors that of Huntingdon last year and they had one or two losses along the way that bit them at the end and this could be the one that kills us if we don't get real close to perfection the rest of the way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 18, 2006, 04:01:32 PM
Coach:  It is great to have several GSAC teams working so hard, and reasonably so, to get to the tournament.  If for some reason the Scots cannot get there, I'm pulling for y'all.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 18, 2006, 10:56:59 PM
Ouch!  Scots are 5-4 at the break.  Global warming.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 12:10:29 AM
Austin College 70, UDallas 68. (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=11233&scoreboard)

I saw AC last week against UT-Dallas. (This is the state school that was an upper level research university until about 10-12 years ago.  UT-D's academic standards are harder than most of the the D2's and some D1AA's in the state, so this is no slouch of a university.  Its chess team won the World University Chess Championships about 2 years ago.)

UT-Dallas was clearly better, but Austin College is getting better athletes with the move to the SCAC.  I wonder if there wasn't a shift in Administrative policy to make AC most competitive in the SCAC.

Nevertheless, another Pool B (UDallas) gets the loss, and the result makes sense.  UDallas lost a very close one to Hendrix, so I think that I can place them as a mid-pack SCAC team on their home gym.

Thanks for the kind words, Coach Haynes.  I really enjoyed seeing the Panthers.  I was impressed with the talent that you seem to be getting.  I hope that D3 is catching on in Georgia.  It has taken about 10 years in Texas.  You and the GSAC should be able to build quality programs, when the GA high school players realize that D3 is fun and very good quality ball for the student-athletes who play it.

(One of the stars of the UT-D win over Howard Payne tonight was not recruited by D-1's out of high school at a very excellent Houston suburban high school.  He is now playing for UT-D and loving it and pursuing a challenging major.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 19, 2006, 03:08:28 PM
well 5-4, no bueno with the talent the scots have and i won't blame coaching.  Randy Lambert has not scored a point since the 70's when he scored a lot of them and if he was suiting up this year things would be different.  Again, there comes a point when talent and potential only mean you are not doing what you are supposed to.

Congrats to my friend Matt Parton and Transylvania beating Maryville is always a good thing for your program whether it happens often or rarely.  I heard Matt played well for the poineers and MC is going to see him for three more years.

Go panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 19, 2006, 05:41:02 PM
Granted, one of the Scots losses is to a DII team which they should have beaten anyway, but there other losses are to a buzzer beater, a team they beat by 40 in the rematch,  and a good tranny team.  This might not be the year of the scot.  I love my scots but they lack the key elements of a good team.  I dont know what those are at the moments but hopefully Randy does.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 20, 2006, 03:21:39 PM
One thing the Scots need is Jared Laverdier healthy and able to play some solid minutes at point.  Regardless of whether Bo should be playing point, he should not be the only person playing it.  And I understand Jared's broken wrist will be a problem for at least six weeks.  I bet Transy is going to win a lot of games this year.

It looks like Brady Neal has gotten his stroke and confidence in it, so someone besides Bo is a threat to score from outside.  I do not think the Scots will become the GSAC's doormat (or easy pickings for Methodist and Greensboro).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 20, 2006, 03:37:58 PM
the scots will become a door mat for the gsac over my dead body and randy's too
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 21, 2006, 04:15:06 PM
ooh January 6th is so close, lagarange GA will be rockin out that night, cant wait to see my panthers take on my scots

Prediction (could be a xmas gift)  LC 78  MC 75
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 22, 2006, 12:06:55 PM
MattGrubb:  Yeah that should be fun, but I hope the Scots do not overlook Greensboro, whom they play away on Jan. 3. They are 7 - 1, including beating John Carroll.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on December 22, 2006, 06:46:01 PM
At the break, this is the closest the GSAC has ever been... last year at this time, it was obvious Maryville was the top team in the conference (obviously, late season injuries to Bobby and Monte changed things)... 

Right now, I'd call it a toss-up between LC and MC, with Piedmont close behind.  If you take a look at common opponents, you might have to give MC a slight edge.  MC beat Oglethorpe on a neutral court by four, split with Emory in a home and home, and beat Sewanee by 17 at home.  LC lost to Oglethorpe by five on a neutral court, split with Emory, and beat Sewanee four at home.  Based on this, plus LC's inability to beat MC, I'll give MC the edge.  That being said, I'll pick LC to beat MC in LaGrange, but think MC will return the favor at home.

Piedmont looks to be pretty good this year as well.  Baldwin is putting up some monster #'s... in the only common opponent category, they lost at Oglethorpe by five... put up a good win at NC Wesleyan and put a scare in a pretty good NAIA team...  Since opening weekend, they seem to be playing pretty well (4-2 vs. DIII competition... the two losses at OU and a six point loss to #15 Averett).  They could very easily win this thing...

Huntingdon, as expected, is rebuilding this year, but they seem to be improving and have battled a couple of SCAC teams to the wire the last couple of games... their style of play can always win a game, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them go 0-6.  I would be surprised to see them win 2 or more games in conference play...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 22, 2006, 10:19:04 PM
Have a merry merry christmas.  Beaty is off until '07
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 25, 2006, 09:19:11 AM
Wondering if there is anyone who will be attending the MacMurray vs. Huntingdon game on December 29 and/or the MacMurray vs. LaGrange game on December 30 who could post some in-game updates as well as final score and recap each night? It appears that neither Huntingdon or LaGrange will have a webcast, so for the MacMurray fans that can't make the trip, any information throughout/after either game would be deeply appreciated!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 27, 2006, 06:54:22 AM
Mac, our SID will probably post a small game summary on our website after both games are finished each day.  Unfortunately we don't have any fans that post with the exception of our newest fan Grubb, but he won't be in attendance.  I look forward to having MacMurray down this weekend.  It is always good for our guys to experience different styles of play from outside of the south.

I hope everyone had a great Christmas. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 27, 2006, 07:38:01 AM
Thanks, Coach. All of us up in Mac land would appreciate it. MacMurray is a much different team that it was the last couple of years (when it attempted to simulate the Grinnell "sysem"). This year's team, under new Coach Steve Hettinga, is much more balanced at both ends of the floor and plays extremely hard for 40 minutes. They pass well, play very good team defense, and spread the scoring out. They can score inside and out, even though they are somewhat undersized, and don't rely on any one or two players to carry them. Robertson was recently named the conference player of the week, but the award could have easily gone to three or four other Mac players. The defeat of the pre-season conference favorite (Webster)on the road in their last game served everyone notice that the Highlanders are for real. They very easily could be 5-0 instead of 2-3. Unlike last year at this time, there were no academic or health related casualties. As a matter of fact, the Highlanders may be adding one or two new mid-season transfers. The team is looking forward to the trip and I'm sure Coach Hettinga will have his team ready to go.

Best wishes to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 27, 2006, 11:39:50 AM
Those of you interested in the philosophy and finances of D3 athletics will be interested in a series of articles in the Maryville (TN) DailyTimes.  The focus is Maryville and the GSAC they refer quite a bit to other schools in other leagues, including ODAC, SCAC, USASouth, WIAC, and others. Here are links to the first two:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061226/SPORTS/612260319&SearchID=73267240633587

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061227/SPORTS/612270306http://

Each links to a second, related, article.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 27, 2006, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 12, 2006, 11:29:09 AM
My predictions on conference records
LC 4-2
MC 4-2
PC 3-3
HC 0-6

Matt - Enjoyed reading your predictions, but this scenario can't happen.  Win column total has to match the Loss column total and right now it's 11-13.  Somebody has to get one more win and, then, by default, has one less loss.  It'll be interesting to see how this season plays out.  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2006, 08:45:47 PM
Fisk 2-0 :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 27, 2006, 09:23:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2006, 08:45:47 PM
Fisk 2-0 :)

I'll admit, what's left of the GSAC is very confusing to me.  Are you saying Fisk has only two GSAC games this year and they count in the standings?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2006, 09:52:38 PM
No, I was merely positing a fictitious potential way that 11-13 could've worked out. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 27, 2006, 10:34:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2006, 09:52:38 PM
No, I was merely positing a fictitious potential way that 11-13 could've worked out. :)
Got it.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 28, 2006, 11:06:59 AM
Here are links to today's Maryville Daily Times articles on D3 athletics.  These are about the big-small/public-private issues in D3 (1st link) and D3 schools preparation of grads for life's challenges.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270318

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270317
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 28, 2006, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 28, 2006, 11:06:59 AM
Here are links to today's Maryville Daily Times articles on D3 athletics.  These are about the big-small/public-private issues in D3 (1st link) and D3 schools preparation of grads for life's challenges.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270318

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270317

Good stuff.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 28, 2006, 11:25:39 PM
old lion - Karma for you.  Thanks for keeping us well informed on Piedmont this year.  I hope they have a great season.  Peace and Happy New Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 29, 2006, 02:45:58 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 28, 2006, 11:25:39 PM
old lion - Karma for you.  Thanks for keeping us well informed on Piedmont this year.  I hope they have a great season.  Peace and Happy New Year.

Thanks, same to you ...

Your "applause" is in the mail.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 29, 2006, 11:45:30 AM

Here is the link to the fourth and final article in my local newspaper about Division III athletics.  There is a hotlink to a companion article near the beginning of the article.

It is good to see DIII get this much press and too bad it is buried in a small town local paper.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061229/SPORTS/612290323
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on December 29, 2006, 02:30:12 PM
"Here is the link to the fourth and final article in my local newspaper about Division III athletics.  There is a hotlink to a companion article near the beginning of the article.

It is good to see DIII get this much press and too bad it is buried in a small town local paper."

For those who were interested enough to read the series, thanks. Feel free to flame me on any points.
If you liked them, please pass the links along. We're not a national publications so outside of postings on here I don't think it will be well read by out of our area DIII schools.

Thanks to all the coaches and players at MC, in the GSAC, USA South and across the country who really opened up and told me their thoughts on  a variety of subjects to put the series together.

Killer - I almost bugged you for some quotes but thought you're skills made you too special to use:)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on December 29, 2006, 02:30:12 PM
It is good to see DIII get this much press and too bad it is buried in a small town local paper."



No bard, that article was picked up by a loyal Murvul fan and hyperlinked to the "SI" of D3.  It might be interesting to find out how much traffic came over the internet to read it.  Why not check the server?

I strongly recommend that you post any hyperlinks that might appeal to the D3 community here, or talk to Pat about what thoughts that he has about getting regional contributors on the business side of "D3 Sports Journalism".  The world of journalism is changing and you can help direct good juornalism to the consumers of D3 sports news!  You will not have any flaming coming your way.  We D3 fans appreciate well-written content! ;)

Have a Happy 2007!  And thanks for all of the GSAC coverage that we get in the Daily Times! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on December 29, 2006, 03:32:06 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on December 29, 2006, 02:30:12 PMFor those who were interested enough to read the series, thanks.

no, thank YOU!

great work...can you get the fayetteville observer to run a similar piece :)

you touched on it in your piece, but d3 is a TOUGH sell in NC with so many d2's, the hype that the d1's get and so few d3's (it may be similar in TN, GA and other states with many d2's and few d3's) - there are so many small d2 schools (public and private) that have similar missions to mu, greensboro, guilford and ncwc...but they promise that almighty athletic dollar - getting student-athletes to understand that simply offering a scholarship doesn't make a program/school inherently better is difficult - i think some of the points brought up in your article could really help illuminate things for prospective d3 athletes across the country...thanks and keep it up!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 29, 2006, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: narch on December 29, 2006, 03:32:06 PM
getting student-athletes to understand that simply offering a scholarship doesn't make a program/school inherently better is difficult -


Well said, narch. In our personal experience, we have a student-athlete that was able to understand that ... and it has been a most positive experience for all concerned.

I just wish we would have been able to get a least one more tall young man to reach the same understanding.

But as Rummy said, "you go to war with the Army you have." And I like our Army ... they are outstanding young men.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 29, 2006, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on December 29, 2006, 02:30:12 PM
"Here is the link to the fourth and final article in my local newspaper about Division III athletics.  There is a hotlink to a companion article near the beginning of the article.

It is good to see DIII get this much press and too bad it is buried in a small town local paper."

For those who were interested enough to read the series, thanks. Feel free to flame me on any points.
If you liked them, please pass the links along. We're not a national publications so outside of postings on here I don't think it will be well read by out of our area DIII schools.

Thanks to all the coaches and players at MC, in the GSAC, USA South and across the country who really opened up and told me their thoughts on  a variety of subjects to put the series together.

Killer - I almost bugged you for some quotes but thought you're skills made you too special to use:)

Great job ... I wish we had you in the Demorest area.

Great job ... except for the comment about Killer ... that guy's ego does not need stroking.

Killer, you know I love you ... but your ego definitely does not need the boost!  ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 29, 2006, 06:57:50 PM
Anyone have a score or stats or summary of the Huntingdon-MacMurray game?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 29, 2006, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: Mac Attack on December 29, 2006, 06:57:50 PM
Anyone have a score or stats or summary of the Huntingdon-MacMurray game?

I don't see anything yet, but these are your best bets. Keep checking back ...
http://www.lagrange.edu/athletics/basketball/index.html
http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 29, 2006, 08:10:48 PM
Thanks, old_lion!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 29, 2006, 10:45:25 PM
I am not sure why these scores aren't up on the scoreboard yet. 

MacMurray 67 Huntingdon 57   
Whalum 15, Coleman 10, Compton 10, Robertson didn't make a bucket but Nick Schmidt came in and had 10
Hairston 13, Miller 10, Himel 10, Huntingdon had 17 TO's & shot 45% fromt the ft line.

Millsaps 81 LaGrange 75
Millsaps shot 65% in the 2nd half.  LaGrange shot 55% from the ft line
Robby Lawrence became the 19th player all time to score 1,000 points tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 29, 2006, 11:16:08 PM
Hey Scottie, Grubb, Killer ... I know you guys are influential Murvul guys ... you know people.

Do you think you can make a couple of calls ... and get someone to update the MC #s in the GSAC stats?

Appreciate it.

http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/confldrs.htm

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/CombinedStats12-29-06.pdf

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 30, 2006, 03:34:15 PM
we would but their rebounding numbers are embarrasing, so we are going to work on them then we will post
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2006, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on December 29, 2006, 02:30:12 PM
"Here is the link to the fourth and final article in my local newspaper about Division III athletics.  There is a hotlink to a companion article near the beginning of the article.

It is good to see DIII get this much press and too bad it is buried in a small town local paper."

For those who were interested enough to read the series, thanks. Feel free to flame me on any points.
If you liked them, please pass the links along. We're not a national publications so outside of postings on here I don't think it will be well read by out of our area DIII schools.

Thanks to all the coaches and players at MC, in the GSAC, USA South and across the country who really opened up and told me their thoughts on  a variety of subjects to put the series together.

Killer - I almost bugged you for some quotes but thought you're skills made you too special to use:)

Thanks.

The only thing I had a problem with (other than numbers of D-III members listed in early articles in the series) was the quote from W&J's football coach.

1) Rowan cannot just get anyone it wants in the school these days. Sounds like someone's opinion was formed in 1999 and it is no longer accurate.

2) He rails on schools with phys ed majors. I wonder what his major was. I would've asked that question.

But believe me, I am thankful you did the legwork and wrote that series. It's impressive. I'm glad it's getting a lot of play on these boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 31, 2006, 02:51:03 PM
Regarding actual basketball, this was not a great week for the GSAC, except for the Scots, who won twice including beating Otterbein in their tournament.  Two Scot losses (Emory and Otterbein) have been "avenged."
We will learn a lot at Greensboro and Methodist even before the LaGrange and Piedmont adventure.  These next four away games will probably tell the tale about this squad's tournament future.

Since the rebounding edge for the Scots was good the Hiram game, I forwarded old_lion's request to people with the power to do it.  We'll see what happens!  They must have gotten a few rebounds to beat Otterbein.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 31, 2006, 05:40:54 PM
Happy New Year!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 01, 2007, 11:52:26 AM
You too, coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 01, 2007, 11:56:34 AM
perimeter players for the scots combined for 40 of the scots 84 points, and Bobo only had 12, that is the secret for the scottie dogs, a balanced perimeter attack

I bet alex and Q both played quality games

Go Scots

I am a lil' concerned about my panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 01, 2007, 08:30:32 PM
A very good performance by the MC scots againts Otterbein.  comes away with a split series instead of a sweep by MC like it should have been.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 01, 2007, 08:31:43 PM
now in the starting lineup.  SPENCER BEATY.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 03, 2007, 08:53:57 AM
the scottie dogs are going to show the Pride how Randall lambert rolls tonight, i bet the scots actually win this one.

Scots 79  GC 74  just a prediction
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 03, 2007, 10:09:52 AM
Too much Tulowitsky!  :-\ 33 points on 11 shots from the field, not a bad effort.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcm10.htm

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/01_02_07_mbkb.htm

Also, nice efforts in the "other stats" ... Baldwin, 5 steals ... Green, 10 assists .. and Whitlock, 8 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 03, 2007, 10:14:21 AM
looks like the GSAC is sliding as the conference schedule gets ready to start except for Maryville, who looks to be building momentum and a good win tonight could build momentum like a steam roller.  I hate that piedmont lost again.  Is oglethorpe that good this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 03, 2007, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 03, 2007, 10:14:21 AM
looks like the GSAC is sliding as the conference schedule gets ready to start except for Maryville, who looks to be building momentum and a good win tonight could build momentum like a steam roller.  I hate that piedmont lost again.  Is oglethorpe that good this year?

They are pretty strong. Very experienced, very balanced, they play hard, and they can shoot! Junior big man (Shaheed) having a great year and he is surrounded by 4 savvy Seniors.

http://www.scac-online.org/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 03, 2007, 04:07:00 PM
I think that the MC team needs some new years resolultion

Bradley-pass when someone is open
Bobby-less fade aways and more power moves
Alex B.-stay healthy
Q-learn to shoot the J
Andy Chaney-find another year of elegibility
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 03, 2007, 11:23:48 PM
Well Spencer, the Scots seem to be moving in the right direction even without adopting all your resolution suggestions.  Holding Greensboro to 49 at their gym and winning with lots of points from Bobby and Bradley is a good win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 04, 2007, 09:12:15 AM
Never under estimate Randall Dean Lambert. The Scots are now 8-4 and rolling.. THE SYSTEM ALWAYS WORKS!!!! Less shot attempts by Bo equals win for the Scots. When Bo plays more of a point guard game the Scots are tough to beat.

Congrats on the tourney win and good luck the rest of the way..

By the way I will say it again its time Piedmont made a coaching change.. Too much talent to keep losing ball games..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 04, 2007, 10:32:33 AM
There is a nice lil' south region W for the fighting scots, sure wish we had that W over transy, but looking forward, the scots should be able to dominate the conference schedule with that kind of defensive effort if they can sustain it.

Impressive win Randall D Lambert, but we all know kendall wallace coaches the defense
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 04, 2007, 02:09:13 PM
National D3 stats are out for the first time this season.

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings

Doh! Apparently, Piedmont forgot to report. Baldwin is tied for 6th in scoring and Green is tied for 5th in assists.

http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/confldrs.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 04, 2007, 05:53:12 PM
a long time before MC starts has a home game.  However it is a big one with huntingdon and I will be out and ready for the _______(whatever their mascot is).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 05, 2007, 09:36:27 AM
the hawks or the only team in the GSAC to have a conference title other than maryville that won't win a conference game this year

Huntingdon Basketball:  From First to Worst
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 05, 2007, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 04, 2007, 09:12:15 AM
By the way I will say it again its time Piedmont made a coaching change.. Too much talent to keep losing ball games..

Easy now, Killer.

I think being a D3 coach is the most difficult college coaching job there is. Consider the constraints ...
* higher academic standards
* higher tuition
* little or no ability to help a recruit financially
* no letters of intent (difficult to plan because you don't know who is coming)
* no ability to work with your guys in the off season

And on top of all that ... for the most part, guys who go to PC seem to end up liking it a lot ... BUT, Demorest is not the easiest location to attract players to ... particularly kids from an urban, or large school environment. So if you're coaching at an established, winning program ... I'm sure it makes all of the above easier to deal with. But if you are trying to build a program in a location that can be difficult to fully appreciate at first glance ... well, that's quite a task. I'm certainly not going to criticize anyone who is in that situation.

With respect to this year's team specifically ... at least so far, I don't think the overall talent level is as high as a lot of us had thought/hoped it would be in the preseason. We have a core of veterans that are playing well to, at times, very well. The new guys, as a group, just haven't contributed as much as we thought/hoped they would ... yet.

I heard speculation this summer that this recruiting class might be stronger than the class that came in in '04-'05. Well, IMHO, no way ... it's not even close. In fairness, we did have a key 6'7 guy back out on us just days before school started ... and that hurt.

This year's team is a very special group ... they compete hard every time out and are a pleasure to watch.  But. IMHO, we are just operating with too small of a margin of error. We just lost too much size and depth (Walker, Kemmerer, Adcock, and Kendall) without adequately replacing it. As long as we have our key guys on the floor, playing fairly well, we can play with anyone. But to me, it just doesn't seem like we have the overall size and depth to consistently handle all the "stuff happens" situations that inevitably occur in most games.

I'm still hoping we'll get there.

Kyle Kemmerer, I miss you. Please come back and reunite with your boys for your senior year!



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 05, 2007, 06:44:00 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 05, 2007, 09:36:27 AM
the hawks or the only team in the GSAC to have a conference title other than maryville that won't win a conference game this year

Don't count our chickens before they hatch, Matt.

I can see HC upsetting someone before all is said and done. I just hope it's not us.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 06, 2007, 05:06:33 PM
well the scots might be on the right track but they are still widely inconsistent.  How can you play so good in the Emory game and play so bad against sewanee.  Granted, they did win that game, but Sewanee had no business being in the gym with the Scots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 06, 2007, 05:21:02 PM
George Debaby has the voice of an angel, he is the best play by play guy in the gsac

scots up 46-41 in with 14 min to go
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 07, 2007, 08:45:07 AM
Once again I will say that all of you that anticipate or speculate that Maryville will not be as good are wrong.  You could give Randy Lambert 5 one armed eskimos and he would still win 20 games. 

Once again the Panthers played their rear ends off and once again it didn't matter.  Their is a difference between working hard and working smart.  Unfortunately for us the working hard is inconsistent without working smart. 

Their was confusion somewhere along the way with Fisk's departure from the conference and the hiring of a new coach so we are not on their schedule thus we won't be playing them today.  Maryville will have their hands full after a very draining game yesterday and then a game in the Lion's den today.  If I wasn't exhausted I would love to drive and see it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 07, 2007, 12:30:17 PM
Big win for the scots over lagrainge and they have another one coming today against peidmont.  This gets the scots off to a good start in the gsac.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 07, 2007, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on January 07, 2007, 08:45:07 AM
Once again I will say that all of you that anticipate or speculate that Maryville will not be as good are wrong.  You could give Randy Lambert 5 one armed eskimos and he would still win 20 games. 

Once again the Panthers played their rear ends off and once again it didn't matter.  Their is a difference between working hard and working smart.  Unfortunately for us the working hard is inconsistent without working smart. 

Their was confusion somewhere along the way with Fisk's departure from the conference and the hiring of a new coach so we are not on their schedule thus we won't be playing them today.  Maryville will have their hands full after a very draining game yesterday and then a game in the Lion's den today.  If I wasn't exhausted I would love to drive and see it.

Good effort yesterday, Coach Haynes. When you cut it to one, with about 5 minutes to go, I thought you had a shot at them.

Good point about Coach Lambert. He is a very good coach, now reaping the benefits of a very successful program he has spent years building.

Unfortunately for the rest of us, he has a lot more than just "5 eskimos" that are all two handed and pretty good. The biggest advantage he has over the rest of us is that he has 5 decent, to very good, post players and none of the rest of us can come close to that. And his team is well-coached enough that they are just going to keep pounding it in to them. To be able to alternate Golden and Blair at the "five" ... what a luxery ... boy, am I envious.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 07, 2007, 11:04:51 PM
Another big win for the scots today.  This game was closer against a good peidmont team but the scots pulled it out in the end.  Scots by 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 08, 2007, 08:16:45 AM
Watts I agree with you Debaby is the best play by play man in the game!!

Hey a big congrats to the Scots!! TWO BIG WINS on the road.. They are now 5-0 to start the break all coming on the road.. I know Coach Lambert and his staff must be super exicited about this great start to the new year.. Bo had another great performance at Piedmont.. He had a one like that when we played together my senior year!!
  Keep up the good work Scots!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 08, 2007, 10:49:19 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 08, 2007, 08:16:45 AM
Watts I agree with you Debaby is the best play by play man in the game!!

Hey a big congrats to the Scots!! TWO BIG WINS on the road.. They are now 5-0 to start the break all coming on the road.. I know Coach Lambert and his staff must be super exicited about this great start to the new year.. Bo had another great performance at Piedmont.. He had a one like that when we played together my senior year!!
  Keep up the good work Scots!!!

He sure did! A lot of that "stuff" he was throwing up (off-balance, fading away) looked like bad shots ... except for the fact that 12 out of 17 of them went in! Great performance.

Bo loves our gym ... in 3 games at our place, he is averaging 27. In the 2 we have played at MC, he is averaging 9. Obviously, he should have stayed in Ga, and gone to school at Piedmont.  ::)

But outside shooting wasn't the problem, we matched MC's 11 3s with 11 of our own. Unfortunately, as I predicted, MC just had too much inside. Their plethera of big men combined for 43 points and 24 rebounds.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcm12.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 08, 2007, 12:07:45 PM
Old Lion who was covering Bo? I know he shot exceptionally well but what type of defense were you guys playing??

LaGrange and piedmont continue to be 0 for life against Da Ville..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 08, 2007, 12:51:44 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 08, 2007, 12:07:45 PM
Old Lion who was covering Bo? I know he shot exceptionally well but what type of defense were you guys playing??

No one really ... but several guys gave it a try.  :o    ???

Seriously, I really don't think our guys were doing that bad of a job on him ... it was just one of those days when everything he threw up was going in. And as I said, a lot of those shots looked like "bad shots" ... off balance, falling away, with guys all over him ... the type of shots that you think to yourself, "Well if you can play good enough D, to make him take that type of shot ... and they still go in ... What are you gonna do?"  ::)

I believe we played mostly man to man ... but we also went with some traps, and full court pressure, which opened things up a bit. Our pressure worked some and we got a few easy buckets off it ... But as you know, against pressure, a well-coached team is going to not panic, move the ball, and find the open man. No one has ever said MC is not a well-coached team.

I thought we actually played pretty well ... kudos to Murvul.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 08, 2007, 01:02:58 PM
well unfortunately if everything falls one night it means nothing will fall another night, it is kind of like a law of physics, equal and opposite reaction.

But anyway, great job scots, 2 wins in one weekend, record moves up to 10-4 and your fans can dig their MC pride out of their closets and start wearing it around again.  I am most impressed with Bobby's performance, good job big man.  20 pts and 9 boards.  Although Baldwin had 19 and 7, bobby only played 27 minutes to Baldwin's 35.  And it looks like Green had 11 pts and 4 assists, pretty good game but definitely over shadowed by Bobo's 33.  and by the way, Bo makes tough shots, thats what he does.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 08, 2007, 01:26:35 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 08, 2007, 01:02:58 PM
well unfortunately if everything falls one night it means nothing will fall another night, it is kind of like a law of physics, equal and opposite reaction.

by the way, Bo makes tough shots, thats what he does.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/CombinedStats1-7-07M.pdf

I hear you, Matt.

I checked the #s ... even after the 12 for 17 night, Bo is shooting only 37% from the field ... very "un-Bo-like" ... seems to me, that's very low for a guy whose main "claim to fame" is that he is a shooter ...

Thanks a pants load for saving it up for us, Bo!   ???

Seriously, nice game.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 08, 2007, 05:02:44 PM
Bobo's shooting percentage will rise and should be around 41% by the end of the season.  This is not bad, 45% would be about what you expect from a perimeter shooter that gets a lot of shots.  I think Baldwin made a strong case for all gsac this weekend.  I think head to head match ups are a good way to determine who is better and i will say that Baldwin held his own, but bobby is still the most dominant player in the gsac when he wants to be.  That is when Bobo is not exploding.   good basketball games are what we are looking for of course and we like it best when there are good games that maryville wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 08, 2007, 11:39:12 PM
If Bradley Blair learns to stay out of foul trouble, he would also have better numbers then Baldwin. 

Man, what I would have given to play 35 minutes in a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 09, 2007, 03:44:46 PM
35 minutes, isn't that two games, in thirty five minutes of play i averaged 34 points, 6 boards, and 6 assists
and yes that assist count is accurate
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 10, 2007, 08:22:24 AM
It is one thing to lose games but to be replaced on grubby's message pic is a new low.  At least I was replaced by a definite classic in the making.  The Panthers have the Bearcats coming to town this weekend and at times the Rust Bearcats could probably be confused with the Cincinnati Bearcats.  I think people look at us and say those Panthers are pretty athletic and fairly quick but we don't hold a candle to Rust.  Physics can't explain some of the shots they made last year in Holly Springs.  The last time they came to LaGrange we had to play in the county rec center because there was no power on campus due to an ice storm.  Hopefully Mariotti will pull us through this one.  The Panthers need a win!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 10, 2007, 11:19:20 AM
Oh Yea I totally feel you!!!  The most minutes I played were 24 minutes a night my junior year.. As for Bradley Blair I agree that he could put up Jake Baldwin numbers if he stays out of foul trouble..

By the way lets not foget the value of Alex Bowers and Quinn Bradley this year..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 10, 2007, 03:09:38 PM
seriously, by the end of the year those two children may have blossomed into fine young men,
Alex has really stepped his numbers up and Quinn has always had a grasp on the intangibles and his defense is TOUGH

Don't worry coach haynes you are still near and dear to my heart
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2007, 09:56:12 AM
I imagine Huntingdon is getting ready to board the bus for a trip to maryville.  well don't worry about the trip here because the trip home is going to be a lot longer and a lot more painful.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 12, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on January 08, 2007, 11:39:12 PM
If Bradley Blair learns to stay out of foul trouble, he would also have better numbers then Baldwin

Hmmm ... I don't think so ...

One major problem with your interpolating ... FG%. Baldwin may be getting twice as many minutes as Blair (405 to 204), but Baldwin has only taken 60 more shots (204 vs 144). Baldwin's FG% is much higher. If he was getting off as many shots per minute as Blair, he'd be averaging about 34 points per game.

http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/confldrs.htm

Stated differently ... at this point in the season ... if you want to interpolate all Blair's #s up, so that he would be averaging as many ppg as Baldwin ... then it would have taken him about 100 more shots. Very good #s, but ... Definitely NOT better numbers ...

Comparison: (with Blair's #s doubled)
Player   Pts  Reb Ast Stl BS  FG%  3FG%   FT%   Min
Baldwin 24.3 8.3 1.1 1.5 0.7 61.3% 23.7% 67.1% 31.2
Blair     22.8 8.2 0.8 1.0 1.0 46.5%   0.0% 64.1% 29.2

A few other considerations ...
You have to earn more PT ...
You have to be well conditioned enough to play those minutes, effectively ...
You have to be able to stay out of foul trouble ...
And it's a little easier to "get it done" when you have several tall friends to help.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 12, 2007, 11:33:01 AM
OLD LION you are the best STAT MAN in the NATION!! ;)

I totally agree with you and your statement on the Blair and Baldwin comparison. Well after this weekend we can finally start our yearly All Conference Battles..

Before the MC vs Hawks game on Saturday these are my picks:

Bo Mason
Jake Baldwin
Bobby Golden
Demetrius Render
and the last player is up for grabs for the 1st team All GSAC...
Posibilities a kid from Huntingdon or Jake Green...
   Wishing the Scots and Rex The Batman Wallace continued success this season..
By the way have we got a commitment from that Wes Lambert kid yet??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 12, 2007, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 12, 2007, 11:33:01 AM
Before the MC vs Hawks game on Saturday these are my picks:

Bo Mason
Jake Baldwin
Bobby Golden
Demetrius Render
and the last player is up for grabs for the 1st team All GSAC...
Posibilities a kid from Huntingdon or Jake Green...
   

All good picks ... IMHO, the others deserving serious 1st team consideration at this point are Mike Adams, Robby Lawrence, Antoine Maddox, and Cole Hairston.

I think the spot that is going to be "up for grabs" is the last spot on the 2nd team. I like Tyler Whitlock, Alex Bowers, and Bradley Blair.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 12, 2007, 01:48:06 PM
Killer, Mike Adams could sneak on your list.  He is pretty solid.  I am suprised Old Lion didn't give everybody the run down on his three point exhibition that he put on at Huntingdon Wednesday.  It was your typical gutt wrenching game in Montgomery except for a few minute stretch where Piedmont had their way.  I love the fact that Piedmont, LaGrange, or Huntingdon could have a less than desirable record but opponents still feel uneasy about playing them. I think it speaks for the amount of effort those players put forth in each game.  I leave you with this thought for the weekend......

The Panthers Need A W!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 12, 2007, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on January 12, 2007, 01:48:06 PM
Killer, Mike Adams could sneak on your list.  He is pretty solid.  I am suprised Old Lion didn't give everybody the run down on his three point exhibition that he put on at Huntingdon Wednesday.  It was your typical gutt wrenching game in Montgomery except for a few minute stretch where Piedmont had their way.  I love the fact that Piedmont, LaGrange, or Huntingdon could have a less than desirable record but opponents still feel uneasy about playing them. I think it speaks for the amount of effort those players put forth in each game.   I leave you with this thought for the weekend......

The Panthers Need A W!!!

No "sneaking" involved, Coach. He is definitely All-GSAC and on the "short list" for 1st team consideration.

You're right. Outstanding shooting performance at HC ... 30 points, his best performance of the year. Lately, after an early season dry spell, he has been getting back that nice shooting stroke from last year.

If we can get several guys going at once, we could still surprise a few teams. I don't know if we are going to be able to hang with CNU's huge front-line (6'8. 6'7, 6'6) tomorrow ... but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Unfortunately, they have a very good back-court to go with them. Pray for us ...

Great point re the effort!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2007, 03:20:42 PM
it is hard to earn playing time when you are bradley blair and bobby, those two have to share clock.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 14, 2007, 03:50:42 AM
Wow ... impressive win last night for Piedmont ... at CNU, Vs. a talented, very experienced team that returned 4 starters from last season's 20 - 8 squad.

http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/mb011307.htm
http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/2006-2007/cnum0113.htm

Special shout-outs to ...
Baldwin (GSAC POY?)... great all-around game ... 32 points, 13 rebounds, 3 charges drawn, and 2 HUGE FTs with 14 seconds left
Whitlock ... great all-around game ... 19 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals
Green ... 5 assists and 5 rebounds ... held Selden to 2 points in the 2nd half after he led CNU with 12 in the first half
Adams ... solid game of 9 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists
Mayweather ... hit HUGE 3 pointer, right after CNU took their first lead of the night at the 3:55 mark

Several other Lions made solid contributions ... Great TEAM effort from Piedmont!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 14, 2007, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 14, 2007, 03:50:42 AM
Wow ... impressive win last night for Piedmont ... at CNU, Vs. a talented, very experienced team that returned 4 starters from last season's 20 - 8 squad.

http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/mb011307.htm
http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/2006-2007/cnum0113.htm

Special shout-outs to ...
Baldwin (GSAC POY?)... great all-around game ... 32 points, 13 rebounds, 3 charges drawn, and 2 HUGE FTs with 14 seconds left
Whitlock ... great all-around game ... 19 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals
Green ... 5 assists and 5 rebounds ... held Selden to 2 points in the 2nd half after he led CNU with 12 in the first half
Adams ... solid game of 9 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists
Mayweather ... hit HUGE 3 pointer, right after CNU took their first lead of the night at the 3:55 mark

Several other Lions made solid contributions ... Great TEAM effort from Piedmont!

Old_lion your boys looked solid last night. They sure didnt let the size advantage bother them at all. They are great ball movers and they never settled for a shot, they continued to move the ball around to find the open man. Baldwin was a beast as he went for 32, 22 came in the first half. But the Lions just seemed to have wanted it more. Kudos to Coach Glenn for a great game plan that was devised for the game and his troops executed it perfectly!! Good luck to the Lions, they play a tough schedule and are much better than a 7-7 squad. Good luck today against the Monarchs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 14, 2007, 02:48:56 PM
The way that the Scots played against huntingdon was not what i expected.  When Bo sits the bench they move the ball but have a tough time scorring from the perimeter.  With Bo on your team you have to pick your poison.  He scores the ball but he has a hard time blending with the other players.  What do you want from a point guard?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2007, 10:18:32 PM
old-lion - i don't know much about the rest of the players in the gsac this year, but i hope that baldwin starts to get that kind of respect (gsac poty)...he's an outstanding player, and i think he's an all-region type talent if he keeps doing what he has been doing

sorry that your boys didn't get the w today...well, really, i'm not...but you know i'll be rooting for the lions the rest of the way - good to make eye contact with you today (the kids were keeping me on my toes!) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 14, 2007, 10:59:23 PM
I was glad to see the former greats at the MC game.  Even matt ennen was in the house.  I learned a lot from sitting with my boy ennen.  Matt Grubb I will see you at the next home game no doubt.  It was a pleasure even though we sucked.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 15, 2007, 01:48:25 AM

Doh!  Methodist was just the better team today!

Turnovers (17) and poor shooting (37.5 FG%, 2 for 22 on 3s!) were primary factors in our undoing.

One bright spot in the game ...
The "two Jakes" came within one assist of pulling off two double/doubles!

Baldwin: 17 points and 18 rebounds ...
That's not a misprint ... 18 rebounds! That may be a career high ...
Green: 16 points and 9 assists ...
9 assists are pretty impressive when the guys you are passing to are having a 15 for 47 game ...

http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/mcm0114.htm

I've always detested the phrase, "they wanted it more than we did" ... so I certainly wont say that ... but, for whatever reason, Methodist just seemed to have a little more energy ... to be a little sharper, than we were today. No excuses.

But I'll stick with my recurring theme. Whether our shots are falling or not ... I respect/love this team. Great guys ... never a lack of effort ... always pulling together and supporting each other. You can't ask for any more than that.


Quote from: narch on January 14, 2007, 10:18:32 PM
old-lion -
sorry that your boys didn't get the w today...well, really, i'm not...but you know i'll be rooting for the lions the rest of the way - good to make eye contact with you today (the kids were keeping me on my toes!) :)

Narch, good to see you, as well.  That's a couple of fine looking kids you have there. They must have been blessed with the same good fortune that mine were ... an attractive mom.  ;)

Congrats to your guys ... they played well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 15, 2007, 02:02:52 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 14, 2007, 12:17:29 PM
Old_lion your boys looked solid last night. They sure didnt let the size advantage bother them at all. They are great ball movers and they never settled for a shot, they continued to move the ball around to find the open man. Baldwin was a beast as he went for 32, 22 came in the first half. But the Lions just seemed to have wanted it more. Kudos to Coach Glenn for a great game plan that was devised for the game and his troops executed it perfectly!! Good luck to the Lions, they play a tough schedule and are much better than a 7-7 squad. Good luck today against the Monarchs.

Thanks for the kind words.

We felt that was quite an accomplishment to come into your place and escape with a "W". You guys certainly have a fine team ... that's a big, talented front-line. And IMHO, you have as good a pair of guards as I've seen all year.

That's a first class operation you guys have ... are you sure that's a DIII program?  :o :D

Good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 15, 2007, 11:50:04 AM
Did anyone guard Hairston at Cooper Athletic Center Saturday?  Maybe he moves up on the all-gsac lists, and Jake Baldwin seems to have been prettty effective over the weekend.  Scots have a tough couple of weeks coming up!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 15, 2007, 02:53:39 PM
well the grubby one was profound as always.  I am best described by my new saying, "i kick game like daniel larusso"  and this is referring to my prediction that HC would have a long bus ride home.  I was correct, I am sure it was a long disappointing ride home, but not b/c they got hammered.  they played great and hairston was BALLIN.  I felt they deserved a W, but it is hard to climb over the top when you have only one 1 game.  anyway the hawks and hairston impressed the grubby  one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 15, 2007, 02:58:13 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 15, 2007, 02:02:52 AMThat's a couple of fine looking kids you have there. They must have been blessed with the same good fortune that mine were ... an attractive mom.  ;)

i'm kind of like coach glenn when it comes to the ladies...clearly an overachiever :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 15, 2007, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: narch on January 15, 2007, 02:58:13 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 15, 2007, 02:02:52 AMThat's a couple of fine looking kids you have there. They must have been blessed with the same good fortune that mine were ... an attractive mom.  ;)

i'm kind of like coach glenn when it comes to the ladies...clearly an overachiever :)

Well said, sir! That makes three of us ... It must be our charming personalities ...  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 15, 2007, 06:03:49 PM
Well Grubby one, I sat with you at the game and I wasnt very impressed with the hawks.  I thought we played very bad as a team.  Where was bobby and bradely.  When we need a big game from them one of them shows up.  That did not seem to be the case.  On another note, big game for MC as Fisk comes to town.  Anyone know their record?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 15, 2007, 10:46:43 PM
I hope we get to play Fisk on Wednesday.  I hear that they might not show up to play us in light of them leaving the GSAC.  I dont know that is just a rumor but who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 16, 2007, 08:44:32 AM
Well Spencer Beaty
I am scheduled to go watch Hanover/Transy in Lexington on Wed. so i probably won't be there, but i know you will keep the scots locked down
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 16, 2007, 09:25:44 AM
Seemed like a pretty good weekend in the GSAC.  The trend continued with competitive MC-HC games, Piedmont got a very nice win over CNU and a split on one of the toughest weekend trips you could make this time of year, and the Panthers got back on the winning foot.  But like everyone knows it doesn't get any easier.  We have Oglethorpe coming to town Wednesday night and Piedmont on Saturday.  Fans you might want to take your motion sickness pills.  The NCAA is reviewing a rule that could go into effect as quickly as today that all games played at Al Mariotti cannot contain any possessions of zone defense. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 16, 2007, 11:56:14 AM
Well GSAC 1st Team after the first look at conference games are:
Bo Mason
Bobby Golden
Cole Hairston
Jake Baldwin
Demetrius Render

GSAC Player of the year: Pick the player whos team wins the Conference Championship..
Players to consider for 1st team as well: Jake Green, Robbie Lawrence, and Bradley Blair  with the possibility of Alex Bowers or Quinn Bradley..

  The Scots looked bad on Saturday but we usually have trouble against the Hawks..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 16, 2007, 01:40:14 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 16, 2007, 11:56:14 AM
Well GSAC 1st Team after the first look at conference games are:
Bo Mason
Bobby Golden
Cole Hairston
Jake Baldwin
Demetrius Render

GSAC Player of the year: Pick the player whos team wins the Conference Championship..
Players to consider for 1st team as well: Jake Green, Robbie Lawrence, and Bradley Blair  with the possibility of Alex Bowers or Quinn Bradley..
 

Damn, Killer! You and I have a lot in common ...
* We both understand/appreciate the value of a "true PG".
* We are both roguishly good-looking.  ::)
* And we both are shameless promoters of "our own guys".
(Remember, just cause we're biased, doesn't mean we are wrong!)  ;)

All BS aside, a few comments on your picks ...
* I think the 1st 7 guys you mentioned s/b locks for either 1st or 2nd team all-GSAC. Too soon to say which ...
* I like Blair, Bowers, and Bradley, as well ... especially Bowers ... but I'd have to put Adams and Maddox ahead of them at this point.
* And don't forget Whitlock ... he is this year's Brent Walker ... a warrior ... underrated, overlooked, and absolutely essential to his team.

Re GSAC POTY ...
If Baldwin continues anything close to his current pace, he has to be a lock. Consider the substantial lead he has over the 2nd place guy in 4 key statistical categories. (And remember, it's a team game. He has unselfish guys around him ... getting him the ball, in the right place, at the right time.)
* Scoring: 24.3 to 19.3
* Rebounding: 9.3 to 7.8
* FG%: .601 to .529 (That's huge.)
* Irreplaceable Quotient: (on a 10 point scale) 9.9 to 9.0 (OK, I made that one up.)  :D
http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/confldrs.htm

And finally, a case for Adams ... He and Mason are very similar players. They are both well-rounded combo guards with very similar numbers. I don't believe it is reasonable to say one guy is in the GSAC's top 5 players, and the other guy is not in the top 10.

## Player            GP-GS   Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  R/G  A/G STL BLK PTS/G
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
03 Mason, Bo........... 15-14  30.9  .366  .373  .921  2.7  4.5  24   0  14.6
21 Adams, Mike........ 15-15  29.7  .430  .322  .733  4.0  2.1  11   0  14.6
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 16, 2007, 02:07:03 PM
i still think POY should take some intangibles into play not just numbers and therefore i agree with the killer, a POY should lead his team to victory.  So let's keep playing this thing out b/c the games have been awesome so far.

And a side note, I will take Hairston on my team any day.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 16, 2007, 02:09:15 PM
Randy Lambert likes Hairston for best player and Coach Duckworth said very nice things about Bradley Blair and Bobby Golden.  See:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070114/SPORTS/701140321&SearchID=73269250375802
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 16, 2007, 03:13:13 PM
"I know this, Cole Hairston is the best player in the league in my book," Lambert said. "I wondered coming in if we could guard him and obviously we couldn't."  There is the quote from the always incredibly well written article by Marcus Fitzsimmons.  If that is not an argument for POY i don't know what is.  Therefore i withdraw all previous posts regarding POY and stand behind this one.

The Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 16, 2007, 03:16:20 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 16, 2007, 02:09:15 PM
Randy Lambert likes Hairston for best player and Coach Duckworth said very nice things about Bradley Blair and Bobby Golden.  See:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070114/SPORTS/701140321&SearchID=73269250375802

Coach Lambert:
"I know this, Cole Hairston is the best player in the league in my book," Lambert said. "I wondered coming in if we could guard him and obviously we couldn't."

And I'm sure that's how he sincerely felt right after Cole almost pulled off the unthinkable ... virtually single handedly defeating Murvul at Murvul. Wow! Great game, Cole!

Coach Duckworth:
"This is my 14th year on the collegiate level and I don't know if I've ever seen a better combination of low post play than with Golden and (Bradley) Blair in my college coaching career.

I agree completely. I think having the two-headed, 500 lb, Golden/Bradley monster in the middle, with 10 fouls to use, may be the single most sgnificant factor in Murvul's success over the last view years. At the very least, it's the one factor that the rest of the GSAC can't match.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 16, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 16, 2007, 03:13:13 PM
"I know this, Cole Hairston is the best player in the league in my book," Lambert said. "I wondered coming in if we could guard him and obviously we couldn't."  There is the quote from the always incredibly well written article by Marcus Fitzsimmons.  If that is not an argument for POY i don't know what is.  Therefore i withdraw all previous posts regarding POY and stand behind this one.

The Grubby One


Easy now ... IT WAS A GREAT GAME. But, it was only one game.

I bet Gene Bartow thought Bill Walton was the greatest player alive, after he went 21 for 22 from the field, against his Memphis State team in the 1973 NCAA Championship game.

http://www.memphis.edu/magazine/v21i2/feat2.html

But, he wasn't. He was a great player ... But, it was only one game.

Quote from: mattgrubb
i still think POY should take some(1) intangibles into play not just numbers and therefore i agree with the killer, (2) a POY should lead his team to victory.  So let's keep playing this thing out b/c the games have been awesome so far.

And a side note, (3)I will take Hairston on my team any day.


(1) Certainly, it's not just the numbers.

(2) That would be nice, but's it's just not that simple ... too many other variables involved.  Did Nash not deserve the MVP the last two years? And will he not deserve it this year if Phoenix fails to win it all?

(3) I would too! Cole is a very good player. But the more relevent question for purposes of this discussion is, "If you were "drafting your team" and you had first pick of any GSAC player, who would you pick?"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 16, 2007, 03:55:37 PM




Quote from: old_lion on January 16, 2007, 03:16:20 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 16, 2007, 02:09:15 PM
Randy Lambert likes Hairston for best player and Coach Duckworth said very nice things about Bradley Blair and Bobby Golden.  See:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070114/SPORTS/701140321&SearchID=73269250375802

Coach Lambert:
"I know this, Cole Hairston is the best player in the league in my book," Lambert said. "I wondered coming in if we could guard him and obviously we couldn't."

And I'm sure that's how he sincerely felt right after Cole almost pulled off the unthinkable ... virtually single handedly defeating Murvul at Murvul. Wow! Great game, Cole!

Coach Duckworth:
"This is my 14th year on the collegiate level and I don't know if I've ever seen a better combination of low post play than with Golden and (Bradley) Blair in my college coaching career.

I agree completely. I think having the two-headed, 500 lb, Golden/Bradley monster in the middle, with 10 fouls to use, may be the single most sgnificant factor in Murvul's success over the last view years. At the very least, it's the one factor that the rest of the GSAC can't match.


While these statements may be true.  I happen to think that right now there are 3 players that have not progressed at all.

Bo Mason (The walk around and sulk until he can shoot a 3 man)
Bradely Blair (if I do not get the ball I do not play defense)  AKA Black Hole
and Jeremy Holiday who has not gotten any better and I do not know why.  Did not even play in the game against Huntingdon.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2007, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 16, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
... But the more relevent question for purposes of this discussion is, "If you were "drafting your team" and you had first pick of any GSAC player, who would you pick?"

No doubt about it! Scottie Doug!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 16, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
then that is simple, if i have the first pick in the mythical GSAC draft i am now comparing Bobby the Golden child and Cole"the threat"Hairston

But again, no one can stop Bobby other than himself
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 16, 2007, 10:13:00 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 16, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
then that is simple, if i have the first pick in the mythical GSAC draft i am now comparing Bobby the Golden child and Cole"the threat"Hairston

That is simple ... If you get the 1st and 3rd picks, and I get the 2nd and 4th ... we'll both be happy.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 17, 2007, 08:26:39 AM
You guys are on to something.  I think you should draft in alphabetical order by screen name until you pick 3 each.  I think after that we start getting into unknowns.  Old_Lion take it and run with it.  You seem to be a very good organizational type. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2007, 10:07:05 AM
Old Lion are you hinting around that your 2nd and 4th picks would be Green and Baldwin?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 17, 2007, 10:25:36 AM
I would take Jake Green and Cole Hairston... Nothing against Bobby or any of the Scots but I like true point guards and guards period..
I rather have a great backcourt than a great frontcourt!! But hey thats my opinion...

The GSAC All Conference selections are still up in the air but I have a hard time voting for Cole Hairston for player of the year when your team is 1-14!!

  By the way you wait and see but the All Conference 1st Team will go as follows:
Bo Mason
Cole Hairston
Bobby Golden
Jake Baldwin
Robbie Lawrence or Demetrius Render....

2nd team
Jake Green
Bradley Blair
Render or Lawrence
Alex Bowers
Someone else from Piedmont

Player of the Year : THE GOLDEN CHILD or Jake Baldwin but it will be the Golden Child because the Scots will win the GSAC~~
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 17, 2007, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 17, 2007, 10:07:05 AM
Old Lion are you hinting around that your 2nd and 4th picks would be Green and Baldwin?

I once had a very accomplished college coach tell me this, "Good wings are a dime a dozen, they are everywhere. The rarest commodity, and the most essential ingredients, to building a successful team, are a good PG and a good big man." I think the guy had it figured out ...

So if this hypothetical draft existed, that's certainly what I do ... use my first 2 picks to acquire the best big man and the best PG available.

Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 17, 2007, 10:25:36 AM
I would take Jake Green and Cole Hairston... Nothing against Bobby or any of the Scots but I like true point guards and guards period..
I rather have a great backcourt than a great frontcourt!! But hey thats my opinion...

The GSAC All Conference selections are still up in the air but I have a hard time voting for Cole Hairston for player of the year when your team is 1-14!!

  By the way you wait and see but the All Conference 1st Team will go as follows:
Bo Mason
Cole Hairston
Bobby Golden
Jake Baldwin
Robbie Lawrence or Demetrius Render....

2nd team
Jake Green
Bradley Blair
Render or Lawrence
Alex Bowers
Someone else from Piedmont

Player of the Year : THE GOLDEN CHILD or Jake Baldwin but it will be the Golden Child because the Scots will win the GSAC~~

Killer, at first glance you seem to contradict yourself. But, I think I understand ... initially you are saying what you'd do, as opposed to later, when you are saying what you think will actually happen. Unfortunately, I'm afraid you'll probably be right.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 17, 2007, 11:04:09 AM
I apologize for the mix up.. I think you understand what I am trying to say..
I don't think Bo is the Best PG in the Conference.. He is more of a combo guard...

If done by position this is how I would pick them:
PG- Jake Green
SG- Bo Mason
SF- Cole Hairston
PF- Jake Baldwin
C- Bobby Golden..

With all the respect I have for Coach Haynes I don't think Render nor Lawrence are better than the 5 I have put down...
Old Lion as you know most of the time they pick one from each team and two from the Regular Season Champs...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 17, 2007, 11:34:55 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 17, 2007, 11:04:09 AM
I apologize for the mix up.. I think you understand what I am trying to say..
I don't think Bo is the Best PG in the Conference.. He is more of a combo guard...

If done by position this is how I would pick them:
PG- Jake Green
SG- Bo Mason
SF- Cole Hairston
PF- Jake Baldwin
C- Bobby Golden..

With all the respect I have for Coach Haynes I don't think Render nor Lawrence are better than the 5 I have put down...
Old Lion as you know most of the time they pick one from each team and two from the Regular Season Champs...

Killer, no mix up ... I gotcha ...

You couldn't go wrong with that five. But, I think the wing positions are still up for grabs ... and I don't know if Haiston s/b considered a wing or a big man. He could play either.

A couple of guys that aren't being mentioned are Adams and Maddox. IMHO, they s/b strong candidates for 2nd team consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 17, 2007, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 17, 2007, 11:04:09 AM
Old Lion as you know most of the time they pick one from each team and two from the Regular Season Champs...

So are you saying that if Murvul had not been the regular season champ your Sr year, you wouldn't have been 1st team all-GSAC?

That would have been a travesty, but you may be right ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 17, 2007, 11:55:16 AM
OK Killer, I know you've been waiting for this ... another one of my statistical analysis compilations ...

The comparative #s on the most likely candidates at this point. A few comments ...

I think you have to consider players by position.
Even though the casual fans understand and appreciate scoring above all else ... you don't put 5 running backs and 2 offensive lineman on the all-Pro team. If they did, could you imagine that Pro Bowl team? That would just be silly ... the same logic should prevail here.

I'm considering Mason with the wings.
Two reasons ...
(1) All you Murvul fans keep telling me that's what he is ... that he and the team are better off when he moves over to a wing. (I agree.) There is a heck of a lot more to actually being a PG than bringing the ball up the court. As the Grubby One says, "we should take some intangibles into play ... it's not just numbers."
(2) It's only fair to Bo. He has a better shot at being considered one of the two best wings in the GSAC, than he does being considered the GSAC's top PG. At least that's what Killer and I think. (Spencer Beaty might be in agreement, as well ... man, what is his problem with Bo? Was Bo unkind to Spence's sister or something?)

I think the GSAC "powers that be" should also select an all-defensive team ... and a Sixth Man of the Year award. The SMOTY ... that would be Blair's recognition. And he richly deserves it, considering all the time he has spent laboring in Golden's substantial shadow. I suspect that if Blair were playing for Piedmont this season, he'd be averaging at least 15 and 8, his FG% would be higher, and Green would be flirting with double figure assists. Hey, we'll never know, but it's fun to imagine ... If we just had that 2nd, quality big man ...

The #s ...
(I know a lot of people keep touting the conference stats only, over the full season stats... but in scientific, statistical terms, 6 games is just too small of a sample to produce meaningful, statistically valid results. Consider the concept in baseball terms ... a 4 game series might produce several .500 hitters, or Ted Williams might go 2 for 20 ... but as a realistic indication of the players true value, it's meaningless ... it's just too small of a population of data to draw any valid conclusions ... the same logic should prevail here.)
(And Matt makes a good point ... there certainly are valuable intangibles to be considered, that aren't reflected in the #s. That's probably even more true relative to PGs than to other positions.)

But, the #s are a good starting point ... and interesting to consider ...


PGs:
## Player  GP-GS   Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  R/G  A/G STL BLK PTS/G
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
10 Green, Jake.........  15-15  34.5  .451  .333  .816  4.1  6.9  27   1    9.4
10 Landon Baize........ 16- 8   21.3  .364  .083  .657  1.4  3.6  24   2   3.0


Wings:
## Player  GP-GS   Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  R/G  A/G STL BLK PTS/G
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
32 Robby Lawrence...... 16-15  29.3  .441  .400  .724  3.6  1.6  35   6  19.3
22 Antoine Maddox...... 16-15  33.2  .469  .397  .796  4.9  2.5  25  12  13.6
03 Mason, Bo...........    15-14  30.9  .366  .373  .921  2.7  4.5  24   0  14.6
21 Adams, Mike........    15-15  29.7  .430  .322  .733  4.0  2.1  11   0  14.6
24 Bowers, Alex........    14-13  23.5  .500  .348  .774  3.9  2.2  22   3  10.5
11 Whitlock, Tyler.....     15-15  30.9  .396  .321  .706  5.3  2.5  25   2  10.1
40 Bradley, Quinn......     15-14  29.3  .444  .396  .500  3.9  3.0  18   4   6.0

Bigs:
## Player  GP-GS   Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  R/G  A/G STL BLK PTS/G
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
20 Baldwin, Jake.......  15-15  31.7  .601  .222  .670  9.3  0.9  19    9  24.3
44 Golden, Bobby....... 15-14  24.7  .494  .231  .811  7.8  1.8  12  15  15.5
24 Hairston, Cole......    15-15  33.3  .503  .355  .644  6.7  2.1  24  14  16.1
55 Demetris Render..... 16-15  27.0  .529  .250  .712  6.0  0.6  18    1  17.6
25 Blair, Bradley......      15-0   14.7  .458  .000  .636  4.1  0.4   7    8  11.2

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 17, 2007, 12:36:42 PM
Old Lion you are absolutely the king of stats!!
On your comment about my senior year regardless of anything Iwas a 1st Team All Conference Player and with all the respect in the world for my boy Sidney Ellis but I should have been the Player of the Year in the Conference my Senior year...
I just believe Player of the Years should come from the top team in the conference!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2007, 01:15:47 PM
i think old lion is the king of stats as well, but sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story, when it comes to points, let's be honest no one ever sacrfices steal or rebounds for the good of the team, but sometimes players sacrfice points and even minutes.

Take it from a GSAC player of the year who played with a great big man (ennen), The best PG that graduated from MC in 2006 Teaun Winton, and then throw in a wing that wins POY, that is a combination right there.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on January 17, 2007, 01:28:32 PM
thats a bold statement to say that u had a better year or u were a better player than sid    killer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 17, 2007, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 17, 2007, 01:15:47 PM
but sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story

No question about that! I think I am "on record" 2 or 3 times in the last couple of days alone, in agreeing strongly with that statement.

But, you can draw a lot of reasonable conclusions from the #s ...

For instance, if your FG% is pretty low ... and yet, you are scoring more ppg than "the next guy" ... it seems to me it's pretty obvious that it's largely, simply because you are shooting more.

IMHO, in that situation, clearly, the higher ppg avg is not indicative of the better player. Seems to me, people that pick all-whatever teams frequently behave as if they don't understand that.

So, "the #s" can be both misleading and enlightening ... you just have to give a little thoughtful consideration to how you interpret them.

Even after you thoughtfully interpret the #s, intangibles s/b a significant consideration.

In my book, the biggest "intangible" of them all is what I call the "Bird Vs. Dominique factor" ... Do you make your teammates better? Bird did, Dominique didn't. Bird made the NBA's "50 Greatest Players List", Dominique didn't.

To paraphrase the late, great Richard Pryor (as the Preacher delivering the eulogy), "Now that's da ultimite test for yo a$$."  ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 17, 2007, 06:07:09 PM
Big game tonight against the Fisk Bulldogs.  I hope they decide to show up.  I also hope MURVUL decides to "show up"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2007, 10:42:57 PM
The Bird factor, the killer made Sid, stop lying to yourself

I saw Walden Buttram the other day and you have to remember that he made the killer and they are all disciples of Paul Reed, remember IT and not even the killer or sid were anything without Jason Doan, its a team thing
Where is Aaron Hatfield?

Back to the topic at hand, the ultimate intangible is the W

Good to see a former, or the reigning POY Allen White is stepping up to the board, i wonder if he stands behind any of his preseason predictions
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on January 17, 2007, 11:25:22 PM
Close game with Fisk tonight. Only in the last few minutes did we pull it off. If it had not been for Alex Bowers, Brady Neal, and the Q, I don't think we would have won. Bo secured the win with his free throws. We needed every free throw we could get tonight and I think they hit a good percentage of them. Fisk hit almost everything they threw up until the end. I would like to know the numbers of turnovers MC had. They just kept stripping it from us! Glad the new names are stepping up. Maybe there is so much pressure to "be all that" or something but honestly, Bobby didn't show much and neither did several others. Bradley had a few moments. Jeremy's game and confidence is going down the tubes. I believe it is the hair. Leave it alone, Jerms.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 17, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
All this all conference stuff has me bewildered. 

All that really matters is that Jake Baldwin and Jake Green are in my top 8 on MySpace. 

Allen White...will you be my friend?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 18, 2007, 02:54:55 PM
rumor has it Bradley had a dunk last night, this is not applause, at 6'7" he should at least have the descency to dunk it when i am there

and rumor has it Bobby was 2 and a half feet from a solid dunk
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on January 18, 2007, 04:47:35 PM
 :D That was one of Bradley's moments!

;D About the Bobby rumor. I think he just had a bad night. Or he just didn't look too good out there to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 18, 2007, 05:08:24 PM
I thought the Scots defensive effort and execution was spotty at best.  Randy went to a ZONE! and it helped mess up the passing and cutting lanes but Fisk can shoot the ball.  They did not have the big guys inside that we are all used to from them but seemed way better than their record indicates.  Bobby started out scoring at will and I thought they went away from him too quickly.  Winning from outside is ok but when it seems like you can score inside, it seems risky to count on a streaky shooter like Bo (4 for 13, I think).  He did have 13 assists and not many to's.  Frosh guards got pilfered several times.  Bowers and Neal are really stepping up.  Good thing, since the string of road games coming up ifor the Scots is scary.

Coach Haynes!  Congrats!  Your guys will be a real challenge I bet!  Were any of the injuries referred to in the release serious?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 18, 2007, 05:21:21 PM
Big win last night for the Scots.  MC was extremely balanced last night with 5 players scoring in double digits, and none of the had the last name golden.  Brady Neal with 20 points really stepped it up as well as Q who made several treys.  Scottiedoug is right.  The zone really hurt the Bulldogs.  I thought the coach getting thrown out was hilarious!  After his first T he was on them again and he stepped on the coaches box line and asked him if was going to get a T for that.  He was outta their.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 18, 2007, 06:41:57 PM
We had a well fought game at Mariotti last night.  We finally broke a five game losing streak to the petrels.  Landon Baize broke his collar bone in the first half and Robby Lawrence has a severe sprain in one of his ankles.  He is in a cast for 7 days and then should be back in 3-4 days after that.  Render played his second game with the flu but had less than a Jordan performance but was picked up by big play off the bench.  We just found a way to win and got a couple lucky bounces or more like unlucky bounces for Oglethorpe.  It was a great game if you were a fan.  Piedmont on Saturday will be an absolute knock down drag out or a real slobber-knocker as they say in Jasper, TN. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 18, 2007, 10:09:18 PM
You know what my mom came up with this saying i bet none of you have ever heard.  "Hindsight is 20/20."  Just thinking about how good the scots would have been with JJ and Trey Brewer and Big Sam Coppage just makes me feel like they cannot live up to the preseason hype cause they dont have the preseason players.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 18, 2007, 11:27:54 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on January 18, 2007, 06:41:57 PM
We had a well fought game at Mariotti last night.  We finally broke a five game losing streak to the petrels.  Landon Baize broke his collar bone in the first half and Robby Lawrence has a severe sprain in one of his ankles.  He is in a cast for 7 days and then should be back in 3-4 days after that.  Render played his second game with the flu but had less than a Jordan performance but was picked up by big play off the bench.  We just found a way to win and got a couple lucky bounces or more like unlucky bounces for Oglethorpe.  It was a great game if you were a fan.  Piedmont on Saturday will be an absolute knock down drag out or a real slobber-knocker as they say in Jasper, TN. 

That's terrible ... I assume he's gone for the year?

I'm a big fan of Baize's ... I think he is a very underrated PG who doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves ... please give him my best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 19, 2007, 12:31:12 PM
Well have been away for two days and have received two jabs from Watts and Mr.White...

To answer Mr.White first: Was I a better player than Sidney Ellis, YES! Was I a better player than Sidney under Coach Lambert´s system absolutely not! Our system was a perfect fit for Sidney.. Mr.White remember this my numbers were not better than Sid´s for the simple fact I didn´t shoot more 6 shots a game.. I didn´t have to.. All I was about was the "W".. And lastly Mr.White everytime we had a big game you ask anyone who stepped up? Fisk? Your teams? NCAA Tournament time?
Sidney is my boy and will always be but when he plays in a game where you need to be an individual ball player he is not as productive. He is a SYSTEM PLAYER!! Mr. White by the way you were 0-5 against my teams in your career!!

Next to my friend amd #1 hater Matt Grubb.. You can say what you want brother but Sidney Ellis did not become an ALL American to I step foot on campus.. FIRST EVER ALL AMERICAN at our school... Second no team in the history of Scots basketball ever finished with an undefeated South Region record like my 2004 Team did.. Not any team of you, Housewright( who probably is the best player ever at MC), and Mr.Teaun...
  Watts you know I love you but you and I have had many conversations on Sid and his accolades.. Mr.Tummel would agree that at times Sid was a no show in big games... Facts are facts!! Some of you just choose to sugarcoat things.... I for one have no problems saying it how it is...
  By the way if it continues this in my opinion is the Best job Coach Lambert has done with any of his teams in the last 10 years..

   By the way Mr.White if Monte Calloway does not get hurt you guys don´t win the Conference and you don´t win the Player of the Year in the Conference.. Mr.Calloway does!!!!!

Old Lion I have a question for you. Can you find me a statistic on why if you truly do have the Player of the Year in the conference and have all these guys fighting for All Conference, you guys still have not beat the Scots and struggle to have  winning seasons!!

By the way my 2004 team in my opinion one of the best ever: Name me a better Top 9 than that: Placeres, Ellis, Calloway,J.Doan, Walden Buttram, Paul Reed with Jeff McCord,Bobby Golden, and Ruben Gonzalez... By the way if Josh Tummel would have red-shirted his Freshman Year we would have played together my junior year!! Wow!!! By the way Josh Tummel only player probably in school history to ever average a Double  DOUBLe!!
Go Scots!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2007, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 19, 2007, 12:31:12 PM

Old Lion I have a question for you. Can you find me a statistic on why if you truly do have the Player of the Year in the conference and have all these guys fighting for All Conference, you guys still have not beat the Scots and struggle to have  winning seasons!!


Easy, Killer ... sounds like you've had too much coffee this morning. Don't they have any decaf there?  :D

No stats required to answer that question, Killer ... just a little common sense. In fact, you were "dancing all around the answer" yourself when you were ranting about how the SYSTEM made Ellis the player he was.

Now that I've pointed you in the right direction, I probably don't need to elaborate any further ... but I will.

Obviously, Murvul has the most successful and established program/system in the GSAC. Obviously, if you took two good players of equal abilities and put one in a successful, established program, and the other in a rebuilding program ... it is, obviously, going to be easier for the first player (and his team) to be more successful.

Now anyone that would conclude from that hypothetical set of facts, that the second player is automatically inferior to the first, simply because his team has not yet beaten the established team ... well, I don't know what else I could say to such a person. I strive, whenever possible, to remove myself from discussions with illogical people.  ;)

My only question for you is, "What's up with you?" You seem to have changed your tune fairly dramatically in a couple of days ... everything OK?

Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 17, 2007, 11:04:09 AM
I apologize for the mix up.. I think you understand what I am trying to say..
I don't think Bo is the Best PG in the Conference.. He is more of a combo guard...

If done by position this is how I would pick them:
PG- Jake Green
SG- Bo Mason
SF- Cole Hairston
PF- Jake Baldwin
C- Bobby Golden..

With all the respect I have for Coach Haynes I don't think Render nor Lawrence are better than the 5 I have put down...
Old Lion as you know most of the time they pick one from each team and two from the Regular Season Champs...

Note: The "changing colors" are in remembrance of our old friend, Wilburt.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on January 19, 2007, 01:40:20 PM
first of all ohyea i would love to be your friend on myspace and to mr. placeres
sid and yall big men beat us everywhere u were just the guy that brung the ball up for maryville and no disrespect to Monte but nobody was stopping me or my team we had too many weapons and especially not at our place we locked down there last year. and yall had a better all around team those 2 years and our team last year would beat yall r no doubt in my mind u were never a factor in our scoutin report anyway good luck to teams in the greatsouth
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on January 19, 2007, 02:03:22 PM
Quoteu were just the guy that brung the ball up for maryville

::)  I disagree here. Placeres might be a lot of ego sometimes but really, " just the guy that brung the ball up for maryville " is an unbelievable statement to me. Has anyone ever brought the ball up the court like Placeres??! Not IMHO. Placeres was a most awesome point guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 19, 2007, 02:08:06 PM
Mr.White Mr.White...
Don´t let the emotions cloud your thoughts... You were a no show everytime we played you.. But hey Old Lion is right my comments came out a little angry which I am never that.. Old Lion You know me always like to start some stuff up on this board. Makes it exciting to come to work and have something to read and do!! ;D
Mr.White be for real.. When you played Monte last year who ended up winning the game? Yep the SCOTS!!!

And thats fine I am the guy who brought up the ball and beat you 5 times to your 0!!!Lol.. By the way Old Lion could probably dig up some stats on those games to validate that i was just not bringing up the ball up!!LOL.... ;)

By the way Mr.White your sounding like that shoulda, coulda, woulda guy, THE FACT IS YOU DIDNT!! You never had games against my teams like you did against the Scots last year.
  Mr.White and maybe I was not part of your Scouting Reports but hey 1st TEAM aLL cONFERENCE, 20-0 in the Conference AND TWo ncaa TOURNAMENT APPERANCES WHICH YOU NEVER made, which includes a Sweet Sixteen Apperance I will take that than ever being on a Huntingdon scouting report i!! ;D
   Old Lion you know I am ok.. Just like I said love to start up some stuff on the BOARD... The problem at Piedmont is not the players its the system...
Some say I have an ego, or I am cocky, but the facts are I JUST GOT IT DONE ( While WINNING GAMES) which is most important.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on January 19, 2007, 02:23:38 PM
you are the man u did everything for maryville enough said
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2007, 02:25:00 PM
Killer has some valid points, I would jump ball against his team any day with the likes of T. Winton, matt ennen, chris housewright, and kris sigmund then off the bench adriel mccord, tim leroy, jake deal, jon wright, jason hall, rusty walker, yeah i would play that game all day.  But no, neither of our teams stacked up against the 91-92 elite 8 team that lost on a last second shot to a Bo Ryan team, sorry killer.

Mr. White, I was a huge fan of your team last year.  Would you have won if Monte was on the court maybe maybe not, i don't think you would have won in the regular season and that would of lead to Monte being player of the year, sorry.  I think you all would have won the tourney either way.  But i don't think one season gives you the right to enter a discussion on programs or anything with the scots other than last season.  you guys are being treated the same way i treat most girls i know, One (night) and done.  It takes a lot of work to keep a winner like a true fighting scot to keep coming back for more and quite frankly you all don't have it.  Any maryville team that i was on would have treated you poorly, much like a high school girlfriend.

sid fit in great in Lambert's system and if i was a coach I could not think of many systems he would not fit in great.  I know some D1 programs that could have used his services.  And to give the guy credit he did show up in the sweet sixteen.

On to the Killer and his "game"
the only thing that limited the killer in his game is his hair, or lack their of.  Chris housewright shaves his head, Raul just doesn't have any.  They should get him on one of those hair regrowth commercials.  No defense in the gsac ever limited the killer.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on January 19, 2007, 02:38:41 PM
 ;D Good thing some men don't need hair, Grubb! I can't even picture that guy with hair. I'm supposing his lack of hair made him much more areo-dynamic! Something had to help that guy be sooo fast!

Glad that d3ball was so easy to convince how great Placeres was on the court. As long as you win and have the crowds talking about you, what more do you need? He was a standout. Everyone who talked to me back then about MC basketball always brought up Raul's ability on the court. Granted we're not talking about hundreds of people, but people definitely loved watching him.

Now, I'll shut up because it'll affect his ego.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2007, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 19, 2007, 02:08:06 PM
By the way Old Lion could probably dig up some stats on those games to validate that i was just not bringing up the ball up!!LOL.... ;)

Sorry Killer, I can't handle that assignment ... unless I'm just overlooking something, it appears neither HC or MC have old box scores on their websites.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 21, 2007, 08:55:47 AM
WHEWWW!! We had one heck of a game at Mariotti last night!  For the first time in a long time no one broke 80 in a LC-PC game.  We really played our guts out and had to because Piedmont did the same.  It was a more physical 1/2 court type game than the full court horse race it usually is. 

Looks like another good Saturday in the GSAC Maryville beats Methodist, Huntingdon gets a great win at Fisk and a true battle between us and Piedmont. 

Couple Monday games that should be interesting....Sewanne-PC and Maryville-Oglethorpe...LC at the Brick House(appropriately named from our shooting in that place) on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 21, 2007, 11:01:14 PM
Good win for the scots against methodist.  As far as all of this who was a better player, team, etc. it is in the past.  Syd was a good player and so was raul.  But, since i have been here my top 10 in order best MC players.

1. K Rich
1a. Housewright
3. D Bell
4. T Winton
5. Ennen
6. Syd
7. Brent
8. Sig
9. Raul
10. Tummel
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 22, 2007, 09:08:33 AM
Grubby one you and my hair jokes!! ;D Your the man... On your comment on the best team ever no doubt about it that 91-92 team went to the Elite 8. The funny thing is that Randy has made two more times and you and I were part of that.
Your teams were very talented as well.. You know I am just starting up some stuff with one another but I had to  put D3ball in his place. They have one semi-successful season and he thinks he can beat a True Fighting Sco: NO CHANCE!!! :)

Big game for the Scots today! Oglethorpe is always tough at home. By the  way Spencer Beaty aka (Mr. D-Large) that list is pretty dang impressive. Could you have imagined all those guys on one team? WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Scots continue the streak!!!
Watts I will see you tonight at CJ gymnasium...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2007, 10:28:47 AM
oh i will be there to light up a former vol that i was a better shooting guard at maryville while he was a shooting guard at UT.  you know who.

By this point in the season the scots should be able to handle the stormy petrels
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 22, 2007, 12:58:07 PM
Spencer's list is some pretty good basketball players!  It does betray some generational bias (aka historical myopia) in that there were some pretty good players at MC before some of y'all were around these parts.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on January 22, 2007, 12:59:59 PM
wow u put me in my place come on now be real i justdont feel like arguing with someone that thinks everything he says is right
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2007, 01:40:54 PM
Allen
Let's be honest, you were a good player, a POY even, like myself, so i give you credit.  Your big mistake in life was not going to maryville and not becoming a fighting scot.  We are not going to hold you completely liable for that decision b/c you were young and naive when you made it.  Although when you made your decision, Maryville was going to national tournaments and winning GSAC titles.  So we are going to treat you poorly like a high school girlfirend or a huntingdon hawk are.

The Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on January 22, 2007, 03:06:13 PM
i'm glad the true class of maryville scot is finally coming out
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 22, 2007, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 22, 2007, 12:58:07 PM
Spencer's list is some pretty good basketball players!  It does betray some generational bias (aka historical myopia) in that there were some pretty good players at MC before some of y'all were around these parts.

of course I am.  Those are the best basketball players at MC since I have been going to the games.  I think I will be suffering from a lack of MC games over the next little bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 22, 2007, 04:17:07 PM
http://www.huntingdon.edu/faculty_and_staff/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/box_scores/02_27_04_maryville

Old Lion found a box score from the past agaimst Mr.White... Hope it works...

By the way thank goodness I was just bringing the ball up could you imagine if I was actually a player!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 22, 2007, 04:20:09 PM
http://www.huntingdon.edu/faculty_and_staff/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/box_scores/01_08_05

Better game here Mr.White but same result an LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.. By the way I was wrong he is 0-6 lifetime instead of the 0-5 I stated earlier...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 22, 2007, 04:21:33 PM
http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/box_scores/01_24_04_maryville

Better game here as well but same result an LLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on January 22, 2007, 05:23:10 PM
man i wished i was checkin u in them games
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 23, 2007, 08:22:03 AM
So who were you playing defense on? Please don't say Sid ;)
You really didn't play much defense since you basically fouled out in every game!!

Ok enough is enough Mr.White... I will get off your case but remember this: Like my boy HOVA says: "Men and women lie, but Numbers don't"

I will be nice and say that You were a pretty darn good player... By the way congrats to the Scots and Coach Lambert.. I am telling you with the knuckleheads he has, in my opinion best coaching job he has done in the last 5 to 6 years...

Keep it up Bobby and Bo!!!
Oh by the way a shout-out to my ex-roommates Bradley " The NBDL" Blair and and Alex "Bow Wow" Bowers.. By the way if Alex continues to play this way he is fighting for a potential 1st Team All Conference spot...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2007, 10:38:43 AM
way to go piedmont, big win over sewanee
at 9-9 you guys have a chance to make 3 out 4 gsac schools have a winning record this year so keep it up
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 23, 2007, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 23, 2007, 10:38:43 AM
way to go piedmont, big win over sewanee
at 9-9 you guys have a chance to make 3 out 4 gsac schools have a winning record this year so keep it up


Very exciting win in OT last night.

http://www.sewanee.edu/athletics/stats0607/mbasketball0607/pied-sew.htm

A couple of things that were especially gratifying ...

1) We were able to perservere in spite of some questionable calls on Baldwin and Whitlock ... who both eventually fouled out. (Not sure what happened with that box score, no way Baldwin played 44 minutes???) But, I am thankful for the "relatively stellar" officiating that we got compared to what our women's team had to endure in the first game ... we shot 6 FTs, compared to their 34!

http://www.sewanee.edu/athletics/stats0607/wbasketball0607/pied-sew.htm

2) Both Rubio and Mayweather came off the bench with HUGE performances, including several clutch plays down the stretch.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 23, 2007, 04:02:42 PM
I know that when I watched MC play Mr. White's teams, I always felt better when he did not have the ball. 

Lambert and his bunch seem to have figured out how to do what it takes to win games, even if it always seems like they might not.  Good win at Oglethorpe.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACFollower21 on January 23, 2007, 11:05:30 PM
Maryville 84    Oglethorpe 80

Bo Mason 1-13 from 3.   ;D     You can probably take HIM off your first team all GSAC ballots.  He almost let a 17-0 lead slip away.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 23, 2007, 11:58:26 PM
Follower:
Bo Mason was 7-20 with 9 assists and one turnover, 2 steals, 15 points, 4 rebounds and key defensive stops when it mattered.  Not his best game, but not all that shabby.

It is not clear to me how he gets blamed for losing a lead. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 12:38:04 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 23, 2007, 11:58:26 PM
Follower:
Bo Mason was 7-20 with 9 assists and one turnover, 2 steals, 15 points, 4 rebounds and key defensive stops when it mattered.  Not his best game, but not all that shabby.

It is not clear to me how he gets blamed for losing a lead. 

Scots, I think that you dodged a bullet on your way to a Pool B bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 24, 2007, 09:18:01 AM
Bobo can ball, so he is having a tough shooting year, he is actually a shooting guard, he is playing out of position to help the team.  he is filling two roles when he plays point.  Leave Bobo alone.  If you want to pick on someone try and step up to the grubby one
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 24, 2007, 11:07:46 AM
Ralph:  If SCAC and esp. USASouth teams (never mind ODAC) would venture to Maryville for a few games, there would be fewer bullets, or at least not so many in a row.  Scots are playing a lot of games in other people's gyms!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 24, 2007, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: SCACFollower21 on January 23, 2007, 11:05:30 PM
Maryville 84    Oglethorpe 80

Bo Mason 1-13 from 3.   ;D     You can probably take HIM off your first team all GSAC ballots.  He almost let a 17-0 lead slip away.

Quote from: mattgrubb on January 24, 2007, 09:18:01 AM
Bobo can ball, so he is having a tough shooting year, he is actually a shooting guard, he is playing out of position to help the team.  he is filling two roles when he plays point.  Leave Bobo alone.  If you want to pick on someone try and step up to the grubby one

In defense of Bo ...

No question, he is having a tough year (37%) from the field, especially for someone whose forte is supposed to be shooting the ball ...

BUT, Matt makes a good point ... it is asking a lot of one player for him to be the team's primary ball handler AND take 26 more shots than anyone else on the team. (I guess that's the Iverson/McGrady approach ... if you throw it up there enough, some of them are bound to go in!)
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/CombinedStats1-22-07.pdf

Heck, in the GSAC, only Lawrence, Baldwin, and Hairston are averaging more shot attempts per game ... and they are not trying to play PG. It's tough to be an efficient scorer when you are being asked to play PG ... which in itself, is a demanding, full-time job. I'm certain it's just a personal bias ... but I've never cared much for the concept of a "shoot-first PG". But, obviously, Lambert knows a lot more about coaching than I do. Apparently, he feels it's his best option under the circumstances.

I bet Bo would love to play with a PG like ours ... so he could concentrate on his shooting. I'd like that too, as long as it was in Demorest.  ;)

Yeah, In defense of Bo ... maybe not 1st team all-GSAC ... but I'd certainly take him on my team.





Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 24, 2007, 01:34:04 PM
My pick for Newcomer of the Year (biggest improvement over last year) would have to be Alex Bowers.

I think he is making a strong case for post season honors ... maybe 2nd team all-GSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 24, 2007, 11:07:46 AM
Ralph:  If SCAC and esp. USASouth teams (never mind ODAC) would venture to Maryville for a few games, there would be fewer bullets, or at least not so many in a row.  Scots are playing a lot of games in other people's gyms!

Scottie, going on the road is worth more on the QOWI scale!  Better chance at hosting a tourney, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 24, 2007, 03:28:40 PM
Ralph,
A man of your infinite knowledge of D3 bball knows that as a fighting scots we love to go to the tough places.  I think part of Lambert's success at getting in the tourney are the tough road victories he accumulates year after year.  Also, the pool B thing is nice.  I ask your infinite wisdom this question:  Who do you think the Pool B teams are this year for the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 24, 2007, 03:59:23 PM
Mr. Grubby:  I am not wise like Ralph but quicker today.  In Multi-Regional Topics, Bumblin' B's board, there is consensus of the Truly Wise that the Scots are a lock for one of the 3 B slots.  Some disagreement about the others.  We do have to keep winning, though, to stay locked!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 24, 2007, 04:05:01 PM
Ralph and Mr. Grubby:  You are right that the road wins are important for the Scots success and but it would be nice to see the Scots play a few more times at home so I do not have to depend on George and Jimmy for The Truth.

Ralph:  Don't you think Maryville might deserve at least one vote for top 25 after moving from 5 - 4 to 14 - 4, mostly on the road?  Not to be whining or anything....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 04:41:24 PM
Scottiedoug, I am holding out for Maryville and UMHB to make long runs and let those Great Lakes, Midwest, Northeast, UAA  and WIAC teams gain some more losses.  (I won't even vote McMurry into the Top 25 until/if we win the ASC Tourney.  ;) )

I can vote for a 23-4 Maryville more easily than a 14-4.  I think that the USAC is down.  I don't see any "great" Maryville wins to offset some average losses.

I have VWC at #4 and reluctantly have Miss College at #5, primarily due to the float-up principle.  (Float up -- the teams above them lose "so ugly", you really cannot keep them down much longer.)  The Choctaws' Westmont CA win on top of the JHU smashing made a big impression on me.

In my assessment of the regional rankings, I have Maryville as probably 4th or 5th... (Miss College--undefeated in South Region games, VWC, Guilford, Maryville...)

As for Pool B, I think that even a 22-5 overall/20-4 South Region Maryville gets a Pool B.  As for first round games, I think that Miss College and VWC are hosting.

Matt, I like the 3 teams that I put on the Bumblin' B's board, Aurora, Murvul and the Pres AC champ (Westminster or Bethany).

As for playing games in Ohio, I think you have to do it.  You know that you will be sent there for the tourney.  You might as well see them, the gyms, their officials, the crowds, etc. before the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 24, 2007, 05:19:45 PM
All Hail King Ralph
(no reference to the John Goodman Film)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on January 24, 2007, 07:16:48 PM
To all you MC insiders. I am a MC football and baseball alum from the days when the Scots played in the ODAC. Any chance of the Scots joining the USA South in basketball?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 24, 2007, 09:08:24 PM
Major scots withdrawl but you know that is how it goes.  Where would we be without "The Truth" letting us know aobut the scots road sucess.  If anyone knows an answer to this question like maybe grubb or scottie i would like one.  The guy from the Tennessee Travelers (I forget his name) is assisting the scots.  I don't really see what that does because none of them travelers are going to the scots anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 24, 2007, 05:19:45 PM
All Hail King Ralph
(no reference to the John Goodman Film)
:D :D :D :D :D

Nah, I just love D3 Hoops!  It is the real thing! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 25, 2007, 10:22:26 AM
First road win for the Panthers in the Brickhouse since 78-79.  It felt good.  I was looking at Huntingdon's banner that they have up for statistical champion in FG% Defense from last season and I don't think they have gotten enough credit for that.  They held people in the 30's% for a season.  We can't even do that for a half of a half of one game.  Tony Duckworth is a class act and they do a great job over there with event management and just everything that is supposed to be done right is done right.  Yeah we limited Hairston to 27.  We were very fortunate to get out of there with a win because their were several parts of our game plan that we did not execute completely.  I don't know if I have ever shared this tidbit but here it goes..."It's a small world"  In 1992 a signed on for a trip to Costa Rica with Score Int. a Baptist basketball/mission group.  We played 7 games in 10 days(I think, I can't believe how long ago it was) including a game at a Bali bra factory.  Their court was covered but outdoors adjacent to their cafeteria.  There was lanscaping of shrubs and gravel around the court and I remember cows grazing in a field next door.  The small world part is that the coach of the team was then Covenant assistant, you guessed it, Tony Duckworth.  He still has a picture of the team in his office and boy did I have some bad hair but at least I had gotten rid of the mullet before the trip.  Pensacola Christian(don't be fooled by the name, these kids can play) comes to town on Saturday.  We should have our hands full and Lawrence gets to start rehabing his ankle today.  Maryville at Huntingdon on Saturday.  I vote for an Allen "Sticks" White vs Raul "The Jewel" Placeres halftime one on one game.  Loser has to wear the cheerleading outfit of the other team for the second half...and none of that stomp the grass stuff you guys are always talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 25, 2007, 11:32:57 AM
Coach Haynes congrats on the big win!! I think Mr.White has the advantage ;)

All you Bo Mason haters get off the guy... He is hands down 1st TEAM ALL CONFERENCE!!!! Not possible,not maybe, HE JUST IS!!
Do I agree with Bo´s shot selection absolutely not but he WINS RIGHT? Exactly all that matters is if at the end of teh game you are on the left side or the right of the column. Like Grubby said the Scots need for him to score so he does. Bo continue to give everyone the business...
By the way the Scots have 4 guys averaging double digits... Bowers, Mason,Golden, and Blair!! Great job guys....

Hey like I said at the beggining of the season its a LaGrange vs Maryville Final!!

  Wishing the Scots continued success!!! Keep it up fellas... Don´t worry about ranking on d3hoops or none of that because it doesn´t mean a thing...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 25, 2007, 12:03:18 PM
Coach Haynes, way to go down there!  I am having fun imagining White and Placeres attired as you suggest.  Great idea.

Ralph:  I hope the Scots can build the won-lost record you are looking for (but two Scots games are against scholarship programs).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 25, 2007, 03:24:29 PM
its not like football baby, we play it out in D3 hoops, Scots if you win the rest of your games you will be the undisputed #1
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 25, 2007, 04:10:16 PM
That is the truth grubb.  Go scots and my new favorite player Q!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 25, 2007, 09:39:12 PM
I wonder if any players actually read this stuff.  Coach Haynes, you think you could have a team pow wow around the computer on some D3 HOOPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 25, 2007, 11:37:53 PM
Spencer:  Maybe some of the Travelers have friends and brothers who might think of going to MC! 

Allsky:  There was talk on this board last year after Fisk left the GSAC about the GSAC and USASouth merging but nothing has come of it as far as anybody I know knows.  Other suggestions were that Murvul bolt the GSAC and join the USASouth and leave Huntingdon, Piedmont, and LaGrange to fend for themselves, which I think is a bad idea.  On the other hand, a four team men's league is not really viable.  And then there is the fact that the GSAC has enough women's basketball teams to have this year an automatic bid to the NCAA for the winner of the league.  The USASouth men's teams have not had much luck beating the Scots lately (except Averett last year) and may not think having them in their league is such a great idea.

Ralph??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2007, 12:41:59 AM
Just got to the computer.  I saw McMurry and Sul Ross.  McMurry has a point guard who is returning from a broken ankle in the first minute of the opening game.  Robert Moreno...he's a good one.  He has stabliized the offense and freed up the number 2 guard to aid with the tranistion game.  McMurry beat Sully 90-59.

I would like for Maryville to beat the NAIA schools, but let's see how the Scots do.

Congratulations to LaGrange on the Huntingdon win!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2007, 01:02:54 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 25, 2007, 11:37:53 PM

Allsky:  There was talk on this board last year after Fisk left the GSAC about the GSAC and USASouth merging but nothing has come of it as far as anybody I know knows.  Other suggestions were that Murvul bolt the GSAC and join the USASouth and leave Huntingdon, Piedmont, and LaGrange to fend for themselves, which I think is a bad idea.  On the other hand, a four team men's league is not really viable.  And then there is the fact that the GSAC has enough women's basketball teams to have this year an automatic bid to the NCAA for the winner of the league.  The USASouth men's teams have not had much luck beating the Scots lately (except Averett last year) and may not think having them in their league is such a great idea.

Ralph??

Scottie, I think that the off-season is where we are going to see some action in the mid-Atlantic states.  We see Wesley, Villa Julie and Hood have moved to the Captial.  The MAC-Commonwealth and MAC-Freedom are losing teams.  They can pluck members from the NEAC, the AMCC and the Pennsylvania AC.  The USAC has vulnerability in only 7 men's schools.  If they were to lose Shenandoah or CNU (only conjecture for the sake of this discussion), then the USAC men would lose the AQ.  I am fascinated to see if the Capital AC wants to add football, Wesley, Salisbury, Galluadet.  They need a fourth core member to become a football conference.  Do Villa Julie and/or Hood add football?   Then they need to add 3 associate members. (? Frostburg St surely gets the invite to become an associate?)  Apprentice doesn't count, but can play games versus those teams.  In 2007, the number of Pool B football bids drops to 3 and maybe to 1 in 2011, by my best guess.

There are lots of sports that are going to the AQ for the playoffs.  I am away from my notes, so I cannot expound.  (I think that golf and tennis are going to AQ's.)  However, the USAC could add the GSAC as a southern division for men and women with reasonable parity.  I don't think that hoops would be the driver, but keeping the AQ in all men's sports might make sense.  This would provide some support for the GSAC teams if Spelman, Agnes Scott or Wesleyan GA did not "make" a soccer team or a volleyball team one season.

I hope that helps. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on January 26, 2007, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 25, 2007, 11:37:53 PM
Spencer:  Maybe some of the Travelers have friends and brothers who might think of going to MC! 

Allsky:  There was talk on this board last year after Fisk left the GSAC about the GSAC and USASouth merging but nothing has come of it as far as anybody I know knows.  Other suggestions were that Murvul bolt the GSAC and join the USASouth and leave Huntingdon, Piedmont, and LaGrange to fend for themselves, which I think is a bad idea.  On the other hand, a four team men's league is not really viable.  And then there is the fact that the GSAC has enough women's basketball teams to have this year an automatic bid to the NCAA for the winner of the league.  The USASouth men's teams have not had much luck beating the Scots lately (except Averett last year) and may not think having them in their league is such a great idea.

Ralph??

     I admit that I have an ODAC bias but I was sorry that MC left the ODAC. Granted, the ODAC is mainly a Virginia Conf. but I always felt it was a good fit in all sports. Back in the day we didn't have much conf. success in football or baseball. Basketball won the regular season title in 85 but lost in the ODAC tourney in Salem. The story I heard for the logic behind leaving was the travel involved. That didn't carry much weight with me because due to the lack of D3 schools close by, MC is going to have to travel no matter the conf. No dis intended toward the GS Conf. but I think the USA South would be a good fit as well. It seemed to work out pretty well in football this year. I live in VA so again I have a bias here. Would love to get to see the Scots in action more. Did get to see the Ferrum football game this year.
     Thanks for the feedback. Good luck to the Scots the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2007, 11:14:47 AM
Thanks Ralph for keeping up with this stuff.  Sounds like USASouth is vulnerable to one defection in men's bball and that such a thing is possible, given all the shuffling to which you refer. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 26, 2007, 05:08:47 PM
heres the deal,
the scots are in montgomery to win, Cole hairston will probably have 30 pts and Bobo will probably have a shooting percentage around 37%.  The deal is this, Bobo and the scots will get the W and some pizza.  go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 27, 2007, 11:10:57 AM
Right on matt grubb.  But dont tell Bobby there is going to be pizza or he might not even come to the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 27, 2007, 08:27:21 PM
did maryville play huntington's jv team?  29 points? 

Alright Ralph, what is the lowest total score for a team in the shot clock era.  Maybe that was what the Hawks were shooting for.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 27, 2007, 08:28:55 PM
Holy Toledo Batman
like my posts say, Kendal Wallace is a disciple of discipline.
29 pts for the game, WOW
I dare say the scots are playing good defense and they did hold Hairston to 10 pts
Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 27, 2007, 08:56:55 PM
man what a performance by the scotty dogs.  Granted Huntingdon is not Florida but to hold anyone to 29 points is pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on January 27, 2007, 08:27:21 PM
29 points? 

Alright Ralph, what is the lowest total score for a team in the shot clock era.  Maybe that was what the Hawks were shooting for.


For a D-1 Men's game, I found this one.


Monmouth NJ 41, Princeton 21 (http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2005/12/15/sports/14150.shtml)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 29, 2007, 12:32:30 PM
off to D2 King College, hopefully the scots can pull an upset and beat the tornadoes
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 29, 2007, 12:32:30 PM
off to D2 King College, hopefully the scots can pull an upset and beat the tornadoes
Matt, I don't believe that King has made the jump to NCAA D2.

Their website still has NAIA and Appalchian Athletic Conference on the home page (http://www.king.edu/athletics/db/index.asp). :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 29, 2007, 02:08:36 PM
they are in the transition process from NAIA to D2, that is how they were able to hire Brandan Wright's high school coach.  they will be in the SAC in D2.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 02:10:51 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 29, 2007, 02:08:36 PM
they are in the transition process from NAIA to D2, that is how they were able to hire Brandan Wright's high school coach.  they will be in the SAC in D2.
Matt , thanks!  +1.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 29, 2007, 07:25:26 PM
A few days late but for some extra incite on GSAC futures ...
The conversations I've had on the subject with several USAS admins and GSAC admins is being played as travel the biggest obstacle to any kind of organized merger. (Not ruling out a summer split that sees several GSAC schools playing follow the leader to USA South) LaGrange's addition of football has made the deal more attractive but nobody is anxious to take on the headache that for example Centre has where they are flying to Texas and Colorado  for conference games. It's a long haul from Newport News, Va. to Montgomerey, Ala.

The GSAC was planning an meet and greet with any d3 within a three hour drive of atlanta but if it happened and if there was any interest hasn't been mentioned that I know of.

Figure that the GSAC will see how spring sports play out and how the NCAA goes on keeping the AQ for women (its only 7 teams without Fisk so getting the AQ was saved by a ruling on allowing conf to keep AQ if they had 8 and lost a team).

But besides travel considerations imagine the enormous amount of exceptions that a complete USAS and GSAC merger brings about. 10 football schools with 3 of them 500 to 800 miles away from the northern contingent. Plus you'd have 16 women's programs in most sports which would make a good north-south divide but 13 men's teams with four still a hike south from everybody else that would make a north south divide not only difficult but it wouldn't match up with men's. So you'd end up with say Greensboro that would be south div men, north div for women and in the general melee for football. Even if some current USAS schools jumped out and unintentionally helped balance the men's equation, it complicates the women's.

Basic format would say a merger is just too complicated too pull off in whole but if the negatives pile up from the NCAA or somebody getting antsy and leaving then you might see one or two indians go north to the south and a few more either recongeal or latching on elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 29, 2007, 09:32:25 PM
That is some good insight you got there batterbard.  You must be randy lambert or at least some great prophet.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 11:31:06 PM
Thanks, bard

Quote from: batteredbard on January 29, 2007, 07:25:26 PM
A few days late but for some extra incite on GSAC futures ...
The conversations I've had on the subject with several USAS admins and GSAC admins is being played as travel the biggest obstacle to any kind of organized merger. (Not ruling out a summer split that sees several GSAC schools playing follow the leader to USA South) LaGrange's addition of football has made the deal more attractive but nobody is anxious to take on the headache that for example Centre has where they are flying to Texas and Colorado  for conference games. It's a long haul from Newport News, Va. to Montgomerey, Ala.

True, and makes sense.

The GSAC was planning an meet and greet with any d3 within a three hour drive of atlanta but if it happened and if there was any interest hasn't been mentioned that I know of.

(Who is within 3 hours of Atlanta by auto?  SCAC--OU, Sewanee, BSC;  Fisk; Emory; GSAC; USAC.  That's all.  All NAIA schools are at least 5-6 years away.)

Figure that the GSAC will see how spring sports play out and how the NCAA goes on keeping the AQ for women (its only 7 teams without Fisk so getting the AQ was saved by a ruling on allowing conf to keep AQ if they had 8 and lost a team).

(Actually, the minimum for a Pool A bid is 7.  The GSAC is okay for now, if all 7 women's schools field a team.)

But besides travel considerations imagine the enormous amount of exceptions that a complete USAS and GSAC merger brings about. 10 football schools with 3 of them 500 to 800 miles away from the northern contingent. Plus you'd have 16 women's programs (actually 17 in 2007, Mary Baldwin and Meredith making 10 in the USAC plus the GSAC 7) in most sports which would make a good north-south divide but 13 men's teams  (actually only 11 men's teams in the 2 conferences 7 + 4)  with four still a hike south from everybody else that would make a north south divide not only difficult but it wouldn't match up with men's. So you'd end up with say Greensboro that would be south div men, north div for women and in the general melee for football. Even if some current USAS schools jumped out and unintentionally helped balance the men's equation, it complicates the women's.

My only concern for the integrity of the USAC is any theoretical vulnerability on the northern end from raids by conferences in that part of the country who are plucking members from other conferences to gain AQ's (if the Captial AC wanted football, adding a CNU as a full and Shenandoah as a football affiliate) or keeping AQ's in the face of lost members to other conferences, e.g., MAC-Commonwealth, the MAC-Freedom, or the Pennsylvania AC.  The theoretical loss of a CNU or a Shenandoah, being on the geographical periphery of the USAC, prompts that consideration.  Losing those two would give the new USAC 8 women's teams in the North and 7 in the South.  The Men would be 5 in the North and 4 in the South.  That preserves the AQ, and 8 play football.

Basic format would say a merger is just too complicated too pull off in whole but if the negatives pile up from the NCAA or somebody getting antsy and leaving then you might see one or two indians go north to the south and a few more either recongeal or latching on elsewhere.

My comments above are in italics!  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 30, 2007, 11:52:47 AM
Dear Abby and dear Pat (Coleman),

If a certain poster on the GSAC board insists on smiting another poster daily even though he has no logical reason to do so, how long can he do this childish behavior before he uses up his "smite allotment" for one person?  I figure he's done it at least 55-60 times so far.  In a feeble-minded attempt to cover his tracks, he generally waits until after bedtime and while his victim is not on the computer.  He's been asked privately to stop, but he persists even though he's been caught red-handed and confronted more than once.  It's unfortunate a certain 20-year old 6'7" forward did not transfer to the college he wanted him to attend, but that's life.  This sort of behavior, however, verifies that the young man's judgment was sound.  This "Smiterman" is generally avoided and was even given a couple of karma as a sign of goodwill (and befitting his superhero status!) when he was asked to stop.  Short of publicly calling him a jerk and driving to a southern state between South Carolina and Florida to kick his a$$, what do you think should be done?

Signed, confused and slightly peeved in NC

PS  I know people on Guilford's football team.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 30, 2007, 12:08:29 PM
Hasanova:   Funny you should mention the oversmite issue as I was wondering what I had done to "merit" smiting even when not posting.  I think this kind of bs means the whole system really is meaningless since anyone can trash everyone.  I would prefer that people state their reactions/objections to others' postings in words and not anonymously.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 30, 2007, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 30, 2007, 11:52:47 AM
Dear Abby and dear Pat (Coleman),

If a certain poster on the GSAC board insists on smiting another poster daily even though he has no logical reason to do so, how long can he do this childish behavior before he uses up his "smite allotment" for one person?  I figure he's done it at least 55-60 times so far.  In a feeble-minded attempt to cover his tracks, he generally waits until after bedtime and while his victim is not on the computer.  He's been asked privately to stop, but he persists even though he's been caught red-handed and confronted more than once.  It's unfortunate a certain 20-year old 6'7" forward did not transfer to the college he wanted him to attend, but that's life.  This sort of behavior, however, verifies that the young man's judgment was sound.  This "Smiterman" is generally avoided and was even given a couple of karma as a sign of goodwill (and befitting his superhero status!) when he was asked to stop.  Short of publicly calling him a jerk and driving to a southern state between South Carolina and Florida to kick his a$$, what do you think should be done?

Signed, confused and slightly peeved in NC

PS  I know people on Guilford's football team.  lol

If you dont mind me asking, how can you tell who smites you?  I would love to know whom clicks my smite button on a daily basis.  Also, does it really matter when you get smited?  Do you get kicked off for a certain #?  If so, it appears I will be gone pretty soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 01:29:20 PM
There is nowhere on the site that tells you. Hasanova has done a lot of detective work to figure it out.

Two people have smited you in the past 24 hours, btw.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 30, 2007, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 01:29:20 PM
There is nowhere on the site that tells you. Hasanova has done a lot of detective work to figure it out.

Two people have smited you in the past 24 hours, btw.
As I've said many times before, I understand smites and expect them when there's a halfway legitimate reason, but I'm tired of what's happened and is still happening in this case.  Enough is enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 30, 2007, 04:03:02 PM
what has happened to our good down-home message board for people who want to just talk about some basketball?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2007, 05:17:18 PM
well i just smited OhYeah b/c he looked like he needed another smite.  Although i did applaud spencer beaty b/c he is a legend and we need to be talking basketball. 
I am anxious to see if the scots defensive trend continues against a very talented King College team.
Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 30, 2007, 06:56:59 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 30, 2007, 05:17:18 PM
well i just smited OhYeah b/c he looked like he needed another smite.  Although i did applaud spencer beaty b/c he is a legend and we need to be talking basketball. 
I am anxious to see if the scots defensive trend continues against a very talented King College team.   Go Scots
Yeah, I agree, the board needs to be about basketball.  lol   So how well do the teams in the GSAC do on attendance.  Then number 25 Guilford hosted then #4 Virginia Wesleyan in a key ODAC game on Sunday and drew 850 fans.  I'd like to see more, but that's pretty good for Guilford.  How does this compare to other DIII schools in the region?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2007, 10:44:58 PM
maryville ranked #9 in attendance last year in D3.  usually their will be about 850 to 1000 fans there.  for a rivalry game like a Carson Newman (D2) the place will fill all 2000 seats and there will be  people standing.  Nothing like a hope/calvin but not bad for the south.  Conference games are always good for attendance and the scots have a good following from their community and alumni.

And by the way, Pat get ready cause Randall D. Lambert currently has 494 career victories in D3 and we are going to go nuts when he gets 500 and we know that you like Randy as much as we do and you are going to do one of your phenomenal feature stories on him.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 30, 2007, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 30, 2007, 10:44:58 PM
maryville ranked #9 in attendance last year in D3.  usually their will be about 850 to 1000 fans there.  for a rivalry game like a Carson Newman (D2) the place will fill all 2000 seats and there will be  people standing.  Nothing like a hope/calvin but not bad for the south.  Conference games are always good for attendance and the scots have a good following from their community and alumni.

And by the way, Pat get ready cause Randall D. Lambert currently has 494 career victories in D3 and we are going to go nuts when he gets 500 and we know that you like Randy as much as we do and you are going to do one of your phenomenal feature stories on him.

Go Scots
I'd love to go to a DIII game with a huge crowd, but I'd rather attend a sold out game in a 2000 seat gym than see a game with 2500 spectators in a 10,000 seat arena.  I'm not sure if that makes any sense, but that's what it feels like for DIII games at the 20,000 seat Greensboro Coliseum.  I'd rather see a full house in the gyms on campus.

Wow!   Four ninety four and counting is quite an accomplishment.  I hope he gets 500 this season!  Congratulations.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 05:23:11 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 30, 2007, 10:44:58 PM
And by the way, Pat get ready cause Randall D. Lambert currently has 494 career victories in D3 and we are going to go nuts when he gets 500 and we know that you like Randy as much as we do and you are going to do one of your phenomenal feature stories on him.

Thanks for the heads-up. Hope it happens this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 31, 2007, 10:41:55 AM
Did anyone on this board see Maryville-Huntingdon last week?  I would love to hear from someone who was there how the Scots managed to hold the Hawks to 29 points and if whatever thay were doing can happen regularly the rest of the year.

I do not see why Pat clogs up the machinery with smiting if there is no method for dealing with smating-for-the-hell-of-it every day. 

MC's gym is pretty ideal size-wise for having a good crowd seem like one.  Having relatively local players (a couple of hours or less away) helps (especially if they are any good).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2007, 10:57:28 AM
yeah then there is playing in front of a Calvin/Hope crowd of 6000 in a 5000 seat gym
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on January 31, 2007, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 30, 2007, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 30, 2007, 10:44:58 PM
maryville ranked #9 in attendance last year in D3.  usually their will be about 850 to 1000 fans there.  for a rivalry game like a Carson Newman (D2) the place will fill all 2000 seats and there will be  people standing.  Nothing like a hope/calvin but not bad for the south.  Conference games are always good for attendance and the scots have a good following from their community and alumni.

And by the way, Pat get ready cause Randall D. Lambert currently has 494 career victories in D3 and we are going to go nuts when he gets 500 and we know that you like Randy as much as we do and you are going to do one of your phenomenal feature stories on him.

Go Scots
I'd love to go to a DIII game with a huge crowd, but I'd rather attend a sold out game in a 2000 seat gym than see a game with 2500 spectators in a 10,000 seat arena.  I'm not sure if that makes any sense, but that's what it feels like for DIII games at the 20,000 seat Greensboro Coliseum.  I'd rather see a full house in the gyms on campus.

Wow!   Four ninety four and counting is quite an accomplishment.  I hope he gets 500 this season!  Congratulations.

     hasa....makes perfect sense. I'm with ya.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 31, 2007, 03:37:12 PM
GSAC COACH of the Year : Warren Haynes ;).. Batman!!!!! watch out...

All kidding aside I think Coach Haynes and Coach Lambert have done a great job... But Coach Lambert is and should be the coach of the year!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 31, 2007, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 31, 2007, 03:37:12 PM
GSAC COACH of the Year : Warren Haynes ;).. Batman!!!!! watch out...

All kidding aside I think Coach Haynes and Coach Lambert have done a great job... But Coach Lambert is and should be the coach of the year!!

Well I am a bigger Randy Lambert fan than all of you.  He is my sponsor and I have known him my whole life, but with all that in mind you have to consider what Coach Haynes has done.  Then you give the award to Randy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2007, 09:22:11 AM
i think it is a tough call, but if maryville goes through the gsac undefeated could you really give it to anyone else?  Randy does have a lot of talent this year.  Before we give any awards let's see if Coach Haynes can sweep Piedmont this year.  Go panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 01, 2007, 10:10:03 AM
Speaking of coaches...did anyone see the presentation from Coach Robert Montgomery Knight last night to Rick Barnes?  Total class act!  I love the fact that sometimes coaches show a side other than what they are with a whistle around their neck.  Another example...Bruce Pearl, who stopped the skid last night.  During lunch CSS shows the coaches shows from around the sec and acc and it is interesting to see which ones are loose and which ones talk as if they are reporting to the Board of Trustees. 

LaGrange-Piedmont Saturday part deux.  I have a feeling we won't be able to hold them in the 60's again.  All I know is that it is GSAC road play.  I equate it to Big East road play.  Cold weather and even colder fans.   

On attendance...we have had a couple of good crowds this month in our home stretch even though we are only in Jan Term.  I am looking forward to the tournament here at our place.  It should present a great atmosphere with our size and only four teams being here will probably be a perfect fit.  I have really wanted to go to the D3 Final Four(with my team but also just as a fan) in Salem because I have heard it is done really well.  Until they changed it to CSTV I used to watch it each year and it always amazed me how many folks traveled from so far away to watch their teams.  I mean, they should, but it still surprises me. 

Feb. is a weird time for GSAC schools.  There is a lot of switching gears from conference to non-conference and some non-D3's as well.  The time off that we have right now is hard to fill.  We have no excuse to not be prepared for any of our opponents the rest of the way. 

On me as GSAC Coach of The Year...my players are better, not my coaching...that is why we have a winning(but not impressive mind you) record.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 11:10:29 AM
Coach - You should make the trip to Salem, whether your team is competing or not.  I've been in the arena many times for the ODAC tournament, but I think I'll try to make the Final Four this year as well.  I went to my first Stagg Bowl in December and had a blast (thanks Stone Station!).  Salem has all three facilities (football, basketball and baseball) together and they are just the perfect size city to do it right. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 01, 2007, 12:52:56 PM
Great teamwork ... 608 made baskets, 390 assists. That's 64% of the baskets assisted. I would think that has to be higher than the norm ... Does anyone know what the national average is?

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/teamcume.htm#TEAM.IND

I hope we can entice a talented big man or two to Demorest for next season. IMHO, it would be a poor decision to pass on an opportunity to play with these guys.

Just ask Baldwin how much fun it is ... and how "resume enhancing" it can be.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 01, 2007, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 01, 2007, 10:10:03 AM
LaGrange-Piedmont Saturday part deux.  I have a feeling we won't be able to hold them in the 60's again. 

Coach Haynes,

I was thinking about your comments earlier in the season ... about how you felt your defense is not that good because your opponents FG% is fairly high. While that is true (and surprising to me) ... it doesn't tell the whole story.

Your guys are forcing an impressive 20 turnovers per game.
http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/lc.htm

FG% doesn't come into play if you don't get off a shot. I've always said with the way your guys relentlessly keep up the pressure, it sometimes feels like you have six guys on the floor.

It s/b a good game this w/e. If we can keep our wits about us, stay aggressive, and attack your pressure, I like our chances. If we don't, and just try to get away from your pressure ... well, it could be a long day for the good guys.  :o

Good luck Saturday. But not too much ...  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2007, 11:23:54 AM
King beat Maryville 81-74 at King last night.  Scots got in a hole early with the inability to adjust to King's speed and pressure and then got even but could not hold on.  King is on the way to D2 from NAIA and is pretty much an athletic scholarship program.  Maybe this will remind the Scots about Fisk's speed!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 02, 2007, 02:33:23 PM
Bradley stays out of foul trouble and has a productive game.  It appears they didn't go up to Bristol ready to play.  That is definitely not the first time that has happened to a Maryville team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2007, 03:36:49 PM
From what i heard about the game, the scots did come out flat.  My sources tell me that while this is a blow in the scots armor they will be ready to beat all of the south region foes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2007, 07:17:54 PM
randall d will rally the troops    I just feel sorry for a fisk team that has to face the scots after a loss
go scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 03, 2007, 12:15:52 AM
I'm having a little trouble feeling sorry for a Fisk team....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 03, 2007, 08:32:43 AM
yeah, maybe Bo will throw the ball at the scoreboard if the scots win and then Bobby and Bradley will roll up on the guys that try and stop them from destroying the gym
Fisk...good bye from the GSAC, we sure miss those 40 pt blowouts of most of your teams and your baseball field with no fence
Oh and the total lack of class your basketball team showed last year

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on February 03, 2007, 11:16:38 AM
i think my hawks are gonna pull off a sweep over fisk this year somethin we couldnt do last year GO HAWKS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on February 03, 2007, 09:04:41 PM
my HAWKS beat fisk today pullin off a sweep showing a lot of upside and potential watch out for my HAWKS in the GSAC TOURNAMENT
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: always hated on February 04, 2007, 11:37:32 AM
  I know there glad fisk is out.   That comment by Sidney Ellis Did not want to guard Chris Adams he told Coach Lambert to switch.   Chris Adams was the best player in the GSAC. He played  big against everybody the only one could guard him was hisself. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2007, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: always hated on February 04, 2007, 11:37:32 AM
  I know there glad fisk is out.   That comment by Sidney Ellis (no comma, "did" capitalized?) Did not want to guard Chris Adams he told Coach Lambert to switch.   Chris Adams was the best player in the GSAC. He played  big against everybody(no period, no capitalization)  the only one could guard him was hisself. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Is this supposed to be a joke? If so, not funny ... if not, just sad ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 04, 2007, 03:04:02 PM
Observations:

Chris Adams was (is?) a fine basketball player.
Mike Tyson was a very good boxer.

The Hawks beating Fisk twice is better than not.

Coach Haynes' team got an impressive win against Piedmont.  As a Scots fan, I will worry about the Panthers before the Hawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 04, 2007, 03:29:18 PM
Always hated or may I say "Chris Adams" was a pretty good ball player but his antics always cost his team wins..
Good win by the Hawks at Fisk.. Great win for the panthers against Piedmont..
I predicted a Panther vs Scot final and it is looking like it will happen..

Just wanted to give my main man Spencer Beaty( The real Spencer Beaty) a shout-out for turning around the GP Highlanders!!

By the way the reaction by Fisk players after the win at Maryville was by far the worst ever by any team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: always hated on February 04, 2007, 05:19:44 PM
Correct English is not that important Mr.Green   i am working at an elementary school correct that english. It does not matter ok  To Raul i like you. Allen White and  Jack Green the gsac Steve Nash i respect them. to  so Mr. Green you dont ever have anything good to say  so dont say it all. Guess What you'll said about me it dont matter because  you cant play ball for ever. I am leaving good and playing the bills  correct that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2007, 06:09:29 PM
OK Killer, I know how you like my stats, so here is another one you might find interesting ... PPS (points per shot). It's part of ESPN.com's stats they put out for all the D1 schools.

As we've all agreed before, there is a lot more to being a good player than just scoring ... for instance ... rebounding, assists, steals, defense, leadership, making your teammates better, etc., etc. ...

But I like the PPS stat (points/FG attempted) because it puts the accomplishments of the "Tracy McGradys" of the world into perspective. I think it's useful to know if someone is scoring a lot primarily because they are shooting more frequently than most. "McGradyism" would be reflected by a low PPS. A good PPS score reflects efficient scoring ... shooting a decent percentage and getting to the FT line.

It seems a PPS in the 1.2 to 1.3 range is about average. Anything over 1.5 is very good. Florida (specifically Noah) is one of the best I've seen in this catagory.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teamstats?teamId=57

I thought it might be interesting to see how the GSAC's top 30 PPG guys ranked from a scoring efficiency angle.

Here they are ranked by PPG:

SCORING
## Player-Team               Cl  G   FG  3FG   FT  Pts Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------
1.Baldwin, Jake-PC.........    20  184   17   95  480  24.0
2.Robby Lawrence-LC........ SR 17  117   39   56  329  19.4
3.Hairston, Cole-HC........ SR 20  138   13   56  345  17.3
4.Demetris Render-LC....... JR 20  117    2   93  329  16.5
5.Adams, Mike-PC...........    20  115   49   25  304  15.2
6.Golden, Bobby-MC.........    19  104    3   71  282  14.8
7.Antoine Maddox-LC........ SR 20  105   29   54  293  14.7
8.Mason, Bo-MC.............    19   87   51   48  273  14.4
9.Bowers, Alex-MC..........    18   70   15   48  203  11.3
10.Blair, Bradley-MC........    19   87    0   35  209  11.0
11.Green, Jake-PC...........    20   62   16   44  184   9.2
   Whitlock, Tyler-PC.......    20   73   19   19  184   9.2
13.Schmidt, Caleb-HC........ SO 19   58    3   20  139   7.3
14.Miller, Heath-HC......... FR 20   47   36   14  144   7.2
15.Leon Williams-LC......... JR 20   58    6   20  142   7.1
16.Himel, Brad-HC........... SO 20   50   22   18  140   7.0
17.Bradley, Quinn-MC........    19   44   24   12  124   6.5
18.Neal, Brady-MC...........    17   39   23    9  110   6.5
19.Rubio, Michael-PC........    18   27   12   43  109   6.1
20.Shumate, Andrew-MC.......    19   43    8   20  114   6.0
21.Justin Hodges-LC.........    15   24   13   22   83   5.5
22.Michael Patterson-LC..... SR 20   42    1   18  103   5.2
23.Powell, Justin-HC........ JR 20   37   14   10   98   4.9
   Parker, Wesley-PC........    20   33    4   28   98   4.9
25.Everett Herriott-LC...... SR 15   26    1   12   65   4.3
26.Mayweather, Branden-PC...    19   32   13    5   82   4.3
27.Travis Moore-LC.......... SO 20   27   12   18   84   4.2
28.McCoy, Chuck-PC..........    19   31    6    9   77   4.1
29.Smith, Marcus-HC......... SR 15   20    3    7   50   3.3
30.Turman, Troy-HC.......... SR 19   21    8   12   62   3.3

Ranking by PPS to follow ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2007, 06:23:03 PM
Ranking by PPS:

Pretty interesting ...

Rank  Player G Pts PPG FGA PPS
1  Bowers 18 203 11.3 128 1.59
2  Baldwin 20 480 24.0 313 1.53
3  Rubio  18 109 6.1 75 1.45
4  Render  20 329 16.5 229 1.44
5  McCoy  19 77 4.1 55 1.40
6  Green 20 184 9.2 133 1.38
7  Parker 20 98 4.9 71 1.38
8  Golden 19 282 14.8 212 1.33
9  Shumate 19 114 6.0 89 1.28
10  Maddox 20 293 14.7 229 1.28
11  Schmidt 19 139 7.3 109 1.28
12  Hairston 20 345 17.3 274 1.26
13  Adams 20 304 15.2 242 1.26
14  Mayweather  19 82 4.3 66 1.24
15  Bradley 17 124 7.3 101 1.23
16  Lawrence  17 329 19.4 269 1.22
17  Neal  17 110 6.5 91 1.21
18  Hodges 15 83 5.5 70 1.19
19  Patterson 20 103 5.2 87 1.18
20  Herriott  15 65 4.3 55 1.18
21  Mason 19 273 14.4 233 1.17
22  Williams 20 142 7.1 126 1.13
23  Moore 20 84 4.2 75 1.12
24  Powell 20 98 4.9 88 1.11
25  Turman 19 63 3.3 57 1.11
26  Blair  19 209 11.0 191 1.09
27  Miller 20 144 7.2 136 1.06
28  Himel 20 140 7.0 138 1.01
29  Whitlock 20 184 9.2 185 0.99
30  Smith 15 50 3.3 52 0.96
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 04, 2007, 06:30:22 PM
Killa, there is a lot of basketball left in the GSAC, so slow your roll.  

Wouldn't PPS be directly coorrelated to FG%?  In which case we wouldn't do to well.  Sometimes the best thing we can do is take a bad shot and go get it.  I looked at my Vols' PPS....not good, which is what I thought.  They need Lofton back!  Only losing one starter, the best role player in the history of basketball since Walden Buttram, Bradshaw so I am calling final four for the big orange in 08.  

Great job Huntingdon!  Never sleep on the Hawks!  Great game at Piedmont yesterday.  A little closer to the usual tempo of a LC-PC game.  I thought their defense did a very good job of getting us to goof up for parts of the game.  As it gets closer to tournament time I start thinking about the fact that the women have an AQ this year and wouldn't that be nice.  

Is there any basketball going on tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2007, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 04, 2007, 06:30:22 PM
Wouldn't PPS be directly coorrelated to FG%? 

Not directly, but it is certainly one of the 3 key factors.  Since PPS is simply points scored/FG attempts, the other two factors that should result in a high PPS average (in addition to a high FG%) are getting to the FT line often and shooting a lot of 3s.

Therefore, there are two types of players that you'd expect to have a high PPS ... (1) big guys, since they should have a higher FG% and they tend to get fouled a lot, and (2) guys that shoot a lot of 3s, for obvious reasons.

Anyone clearly in either of these categories, that has a relatively low PPS ... well, scoring efficiency-wise, he's not having a very good year. He better be contributing heavily in the other areas.

Quote from: coachwgh on February 04, 2007, 06:30:22 PM
Great game at Piedmont yesterday.  A little closer to the usual tempo of a LC-PC game.  I thought their defense did a very good job of getting us to goof up for parts of the game. 

It was a good game. Lot of effort out there ... we played hard, but I thought your guys played a little harder. You are the "King of Intensity". IMHO, probably the key factor in the game was your out rebounding us 43 to 30. For most of the season, we have done a great job of compensating for our woeful lack of size by boxing out and hustling our butts off ... didn't work that well yesterday. Kudos to LaGrange.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2007, 10:01:01 PM
Welcome to the latest adventures of "Excel-Man" ...

Putting a different sort on the same info yields some pretty interesting results. Sorting by the sum of the PPS ranking + the PPG ranking seems to throw the "best" (both prolific and efficient) scorers towards the top off the list.

Considering this take on scoring ... along with rebounding, assists, steals, defense, leadership, making your teammates better, etc., etc. ... should enable you to do a pretty good job of picking your All-GSAC guys.

The first 3 numbers are ...
Sum of PPG          PPG        PPS         
+ PPS Ranking     Ranking   Ranking

(Sorry, I lack the skill and/or patience to make this look better.)   

         Player     G  Pts  PPG  FGA PPS
3 1 2  Baldwin 20 480 24.0 313 1.53
8 4 4  Render 20 329 16.5 229 1.44
10 9 1  Bowers 18 203 11.3 128 1.59
14 6 8  Golden 19 282 14.8 212 1.33
15 3 12  Hairston 20 345 17.3 274 1.26
17 7 10  Maddox 20 293 14.7 229 1.28
17 11 6  Green 20 184 9.2 133 1.38
18 2 16  Lawrence 17 329 19.4 269 1.22
18 5 13  Adams 20 304 15.2 242 1.26
22 19 3  Rubio 18 109 6.1 75 1.45
24 13 11  Schmidt 19 139 7.3 109 1.28
29 8 21  Mason 19 273 14.4 233 1.17
29 14 15  Bradley 17 124 7.3 101 1.23
29 20 9  Shumate 19 114 6.0 89 1.28
30 23 7  Parker 20 98 4.9 71 1.38
33 28 5  McCoy 19 77 4.1 55 1.40
35 18 17  Neal 17 110 6.5 91 1.21
36 10 26  Blair 19 209 11.0 191 1.09
38 16 22  Williams 20 142 7.1 126 1.13
39 21 18  Hodges 15 83 5.5 70 1.19
40 26 14  Mayweather 19 82 4.3 66 1.24
41 12 29  Whitlock 20 184 9.2 185 0.99
41 22 19  Patterson 20 103 5.2 87 1.18
42 15 27  Miller 20 144 7.2 136 1.06
45 17 28  Himel 20 140 7.0 138 1.01
45 25 20  Herriott 15 65 4.3 55 1.18
48 24 24  Powell 20 98 4.9 88 1.11
50 27 23  Moore 20 84 4.2 75 1.12
55 30 25  Turman 19 63 3.3 57 1.11
59 29 30  Smith 15 50 3.3 52 0.96
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 04, 2007, 10:19:29 PM
I love the PPS stuff i think that is a great stat as well
I have always liked the term "volume shooter" to describe McGrady or Iverson, you know the guys with great scoring averages and will never win a championship of their own.

MC at Fisk, good job Huntingdon, maybe the scots can finish off another sweep of the bulldogs since they missed last year.  Also, basketball does not last forever, but character does.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 04, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
lot of home games coming up for the scots.  Saturday Sunday Thursday and Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 05, 2007, 09:55:18 AM
Coach Haynes I hear ya!!
Old Lion you are absolutely the King of Stats.. Although the stats are great the only numbers I care about are the numbers to the left and right of the Win-Loss column..

My question to you Old Lion is if Piedmont has a great player in Baldwin and a great Point Guard in your son, WHY DON'T THEY WIN??? I just want your personal opinion on that matter? Is it coaching? Players? What? I know you have great understanding of the game so I want to know your opinion on the matter..

Scots have a two tough stretch coming up but like all Randy Lambert teams do, THEY WILL FINISH WELL!

1st Team All GSAC:
Bo Mason
Alex Bowers
Jake Baldwin
Bobby Golden
Render,Lawrence, Maddox (Take your pick) But all three need to be on either 1st or second team..

2nd Team All GSAC:
Jake Green
Cole Hairston
Bradley Blair ( If he played on another team or played without Bobby would be the Best big man in the GSAC) I think what Bradley really cares about is winning so he sacrifices personal achievement for Winning Success!!

Player of The Year: Bobby Golden
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 05, 2007, 10:30:25 AM
I now nominate my all GSAC board team of the year and their award

First Team
Ohyeah-aka Mr. Sarcasm- for putting Jake green in his top 8
Old Lion-aka the StatMan- for his breakdown of every number in the GSAC
Spencer Beaty-aka-the Godfather-of the GSAC
ScottieDoug-aka Bo's biggest fan-for supporting Bo throughout the entire season
MattGrubb-aka The Grubby one- I was nominated by my long lost brother Warren Haynes

POY
Playerhater of the year
The Killa for being better than everyone else, especially Sidney

This is my team and yes i am on my own team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 05, 2007, 10:51:58 AM
Watts that was awesome!!! ;D :D You had me cracking up in my office!!!

By the way I want to Nominate d3ball for Comeback Post of the Year and Always hated as NewComer of the Year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 05, 2007, 11:36:47 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 05, 2007, 10:51:58 AM
Watts that was awesome!!! ;D :D You had me cracking up in my office!!!

By the way I want to Nominate d3ball for Comeback Post of the Year and Always hated as NewComer of the Year


For the "Newcomer of the Year"....I wish someone would translate his posts for me.  I don't know what "playing the bills" is?  And that is just where I would start.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2007, 11:44:01 AM
Grubb,

I am humbled by your inclusion of Old Lion in such an august group ...

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/august
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 05, 2007, 01:48:40 PM
Oh Yea I am going to take a shot at it and say its: When you receive bills in the mail and you pay them one month and you don't pay them the next.  ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2007, 02:10:45 PM
Killer, re the two issues you addressed ...

(1) Why doesn't Piedmont win more?

Fair question. IMHO, it's fairly simple.

It's not the Coaches ... I think Glenn and Hooker have done a great job working with a team that doesn't have all the standard pieces you'd typically like to see on a basketball team. We've been extremely competitive, in every game ... we are 3 for 3 in OT.

It's not the players we have ... we have an outstanding group of young men ... several of whom are outstanding basketball players.

It's the player(s) we don't have.

We are just too small, therefore, we have almost no margin of error. Since we are starting a least "one cylinder short" we have to be "hitting on all cylinders" to win. IMHO, we are just one accomplished, inside force type player (or maybe one athletic, quick leaper type, like Maddox) away from being very good.

I love the character of our team. We have to fight and scrap every minute, just to keep our heads above water ... and we do. But, we are "riding too low in the water", so to speak. Sometimes, the smallest of waves (that a team with more options could withstand) will sink us.

If you are skilled and know what you are doing,  you can go with a "4 guard set" at times, and be successful. We've done it a good bit this season. (Tyler Whitlock is the "biggest" 6'1 guy in the league ... what a warrior!) But, it sure would be nice if when we left the "4 guard set" we could go bigger ... We've spent more time than I like to think about in a "5 guard set" this season. That's tough.

Hey, I'm not complaining ... just doing my best to answer your question.

As Rummy said, "You don't get to go to war with the army you'd like, you have to go to war with the army you have."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2007, 05:18:52 PM
Killer, re the two issues you addressed ...

(2) All-GSAC

IMHO, there are about 12 or 13 guys who deserve serious consideration. Your picks are all in that group.

But, we all have our biases, and I think you may have a couple of Murvul guys rated a little too highly. I guess you don't find the PPS stat quite as illuminating as Grubb and I do. I hadn't heard it before, but I like Grubb's term, "volume shooter". My comment re volume shooters (specifically big guys and guys who throw up a lot of 3s) was ...

Quote"There are two types of players that you'd expect to have a high PPS ... (1) big guys, since they should have a higher FG% and they tend to get fouled a lot, and (2) guys that shoot a lot of 3s, for obvious reasons.

Anyone clearly in either of these categories, that has a relatively low PPS ... well, scoring efficiency-wise, he's not having a very good year. He better be contributing heavily in the other areas."

Mason and Blair are certainly fine players and I'd take either of them on my team in a heart beat ... but, I think a primary reason that they are as high profile as they are is that they are "volume shooters".  I haven't run these #s, but I bet if you looked at "shots per minute", they'd both be among the leaders. They have that mentality ... "I have my warm ups off, I must be open."

The other reason they are as high profile as they are is that they did make the decision to be part of a consistently winning program ... which does give you bragging rights. I just don't happen to believe that it automatically makes you a better player than your "near peer" whose program isn't as successful. (There is the school of thought that says it may be more difficult (more impressive) to be outstanding when your team isn't.) Hey, just one opinion ...

Whenever you pick an all-star team, there will always be a few guys "on the bubble" ... but I think your most glaring omission was Mike Adams. He is definitely in my top 10.

Oh, and POY ... IMHO, clearly, it has to be Baldwin. Although, I'll acknowledge, cases can be made for Hairston and Golden, as well.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on February 05, 2007, 06:53:21 PM
im going with Cole Hairston being POY of course and Heath Miller as Freshman of the Year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 05, 2007, 10:01:16 PM
The first time i saw Hairston play i really liked his game.  We scored a bucket-load of points and you didn't even realize he had.  That is the kind of player I want on my team.  I agree with d3ball for once.  Hairston POY so far for me, and if I am the Vito Corleone than Grubb is the Michael Corleone of the GSAC board.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2007, 09:49:42 AM
i like Hairston's game, but if a team goes undefeated in conference then it is tough to be more valuable than their best player, not saying it is right or that is the best criteria for POY, but it is hard to work around that
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 06, 2007, 12:04:55 PM
I agree with the Mr.Grubby. It is hard to give the Player of the Year to someone who does not come from the top team in the Conference. I have been looking up some stats and I have totally overlooked Bo Mason's stats!!

At one point this season he was shooting 30% from the FG and he has improved that stat somewhat.. He is averaging 14ppg, 5apg, and 3rpg. He is without a doubt the most important piece for the Scots and there success.. So with that said I think with these last couple of Conference games left I will say it goes to either Bo or Bobby!!! Can't go wrong with either one..

I will be in attendence Saturday when the two best teams in the GSAC square off!! Big game for the Scots and its NCAA Tournament hopes.. Only South Region loses have come to Emory and Transylvania!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 06, 2007, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 06, 2007, 12:04:55 PM
I agree with the Mr.Grubby. It is hard to give the Player of the Year to someone who does not come from the top team in the Conference. I have been looking up some stats and I have totally overlooked Bo Mason's stats!!

At one point this season he was shooting 30% from the FG and he has improved that stat somewhat.. He is averaging 14ppg, 5apg, and 3rpg. He is without a doubt the most important piece for the Scots and there success.. So with that said I think with these last couple of Conference games left I will say it goes to either Bo or Bobby!!! Can't go wrong with either one..

I will be in attendence Saturday when the two best teams in the GSAC square off!! Big game for the Scots and its NCAA Tournament hopes.. Only South Region loses have come to Emory and Transylvania!!


    IMHO, I think it is Ok to give the POY award to someone that is not on the top team in the conference. BUT...I think their stats have to rise about the crowd. If it is borderline, then give it to the guy on the top team. To the victor go the spoils.  8)
      I guess too it depends on what the criteria are for making the selection. The MVP is not always the best player statistically.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: lionfan on February 06, 2007, 02:09:42 PM
Ok as a first time poster I am going to try and weigh in with the same clout and clarity that each of you have been so accustomed to from each other.  As far as the POY question goes I have a stance on the issue.  First before I post my stance do not let the (lionsfan) name fool you or sway you into thinking I am biased on this issue.  

Lets look at the Candidates:

Cole Hariston Huntingdon College averaging 17.3 points per game and 6.8 RPG but lets look a little closer into his season.  In conference he is averaging 23.5 points per game.  Overall on the season his 17.3 points per game account for 31% of his teams scoring which makes him pretty valuable to his team night in and night out.  

Jake Baldwin Piedmont College averaging 24 points per game on the year along with 9.4 rebounds.  In conference Jake is averaging 19.5 points per game.  On the year he accounts for 29% of his teams scoring per night.

Bo Mason Maryville College averaging 14 points per game along with 5 assits a night.  In conference he is averaging 17 points per game.  On the year he is accounting for 18% of his teams scoring.

Bobby Golden Maryville College  He is averaging 14.5 PPG and 7.5 RPG.  In coference he is averaging 14.25 PPG.  On the year he accounts for 19% of his teams scoring per night.  

Lagrange's Render and Lawerence could go into this talk but their in conference numbers are not great and that was my main focus with this argument.  

Now if you are a believer that the POY/MVP should come from the best team (WHICH I AM NOT) then you would have to either pick Mason or Golden.  The mere fact that two players from the same team are even mentioned in this conversation is a testament that neither one of them are the MOST VALUABLE.  As a result I think that you can eliminate each of them and now focus in on Baldwin and Hariston.  The main reason is because every team that plays either of them knows that both Baldwin and Hariston are the backbone and heart to their teams.  Stop them in a game and you win the game.  The Lagrange Coach got so mad on Saturday that he was on his hands and knees begging for someone to stop Baldwin and went as far as to fling his jacket into the stands.  Now if you look at the resumes of these two players they are about equal so to break the tie I have decided to look at what happened with their two teams met.  Piedmont won the head to head matchup and in the process Baldwin had 16 while Hariston had 22.  I think right now the person I would have to lean towards is Cole Hariston because we are talking player of the year in the CONFERENCE and I think to this point his conference performances have been the best.  Many of you may or may not agree but this is what I think on the issue.  

Still to come an answer to the question posed earlier why is Piedmont losing?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2007, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 06, 2007, 02:00:50 PM
IMHO, I think it is Ok to give the POY award to someone that is not on the top team in the conference. BUT...I think their stats (and intangibles?)  have to rise about the crowd. If it is borderline, then give it to the guy on the top team. To the victor go the spoils.   
I guess too it depends on what the criteria are for making the selection.  The MVP is not always the best player statistically.

Well said, allsky. I agree on both counts, especially if you throw the word, intangibles, in there.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2007, 03:21:47 PM
Number 4 in the nation is assists per game! Only the teams scoring well over 100 per game are ahead of us. That's some great ball movement and unselfish play ...

It's too bad we had that poor passing day at LaGrange, where we only passed for 9 assists. I just can't imagine what was wrong with us.  :o  I believe Bo had a zero assist day in LaGrange ... must be something in the water down there ...  :o

NCAA® Men's Basketball
Division III
Assists Per Game
Through Games 02/04/2007 

Rank Name GM W-L AST APG
1 Emory & Henry 20 12-8 427 21.4
2 Redlands 18 13-5 376 20.9
3 Grinnell 20 14-6 397 19.9  
4 Piedmont 21 11-10 410 19.5
5 Amherst 23 23-0 448 19.5
6 Brockport St. 20 16-4 385 19.3
7 Wooster 21 18-3 396 18.9
8 Utica 20 17-3 377 18.9
9 Washington-St. Louis 19 16-3 356 18.7
10 MacMurray 16 9-7 298 18.6


NCAA® Men's Basketball
Division III
Scoring Offense
Through Games 02/04/2007

Rank Name GM W-L PTS PPG
1 Redlands 18 13-5 2162 120.1
2 Grinnell 20 14-6 2283 114.2
3 Emory & Henry 20 12-8 2223 111.2
4 Puget Sound 20 16-4 2004 100.2
5 MacMurray 16 9-7 1546 96.6
6 Lincoln (Pa.) 20 13-7 1830 91.5
7 Wooster 21 18-3 1891 90.0
8 Concordia-Austin 20 8-12 1796 89.8
9 Westminster (Pa.) 21 14-7 1847 88.0
10 Brockport St. 20 16-4 1759 88.0
11 Aurora 21 19-2 1799 85.7
12 Lesley  21 11-10 1780 84.8
13 Keene St. 21 17-4 1777 84.6
14 Wis. Lutheran 21 11-10 1770 84.3
15 Bethany (W.V.) 21 15-6 1764 84.0
16 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 19 13-6 1582 83.3
17 Bethel (Minn.) 20 14-6 1662 83.1
18 Amherst 23 23-0 1910 83.0
19 Oglethorpe 20 12-8 1658 82.9
20 Middlebury 21 13-8 1739 82.8
21 Piedmont 21 11-10 1730 82.4
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 06, 2007, 03:28:22 PM
I am always on my hands and knees begging for someone to stop sombody from the other team and never do it.  I am about to stop asking so nicely and raise my voice.  
I like everyone's view on POY.  What if it was a one on one tournament to decide the winner?  2 out of 3, make it take it, 1's and 2's to 12
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 06, 2007, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 06, 2007, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 06, 2007, 02:00:50 PM
IMHO, I think it is Ok to give the POY award to someone that is not on the top team in the conference. BUT...I think their stats (and intangibles?)  have to rise about the crowd. If it is borderline, then give it to the guy on the top team. To the victor go the spoils.   
I guess too it depends on what the criteria are for making the selection.  The MVP is not always the best player statistically.

Well said, allsky. I agree on both counts, especially if you throw the word, intangibles, in there.

    Good point on the intangibles. A hard thing to measure quantitatively.
    I always use my HS baseball team as a good example of the MVP vs Best or Most Outstanding Player. Player X (shortstop, best athlete on the team by far, signed with Clemson) Player Y ( 30 and 1 as a HS pitcher, good bat, good athlete but not same caliber as player X. ) Would we as a team have had the success we had without player X?....probably not. Would we as a team have had the same success without player Y?....ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, NO WAY!!! Without player X, we are not the same team but still a pretty darn good team. Without player Y, we are an average ball club.
     Relating it back to the GSAC POY.....guess it depends on your measuring stick.  8)
     Sorry for the baseball analogy but that's my gig!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 06, 2007, 03:51:06 PM
that is a pretty impressive stat about the assists for piedmont. if i do say so myself.  Back in the day i was a really assist machine.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2007, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 06, 2007, 03:28:22 PM
 I am about to stop asking so nicely and raise my voice.  

I hear you, Coach. I seem to remember a couple of instances in Saturday's game when your voice (and blood pressure) may have gone up just a tad.  :D

You are the King of Intensity! I got no problem with that ... it's a game of emotion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 06, 2007, 04:31:41 PM
When you figure that Emory and Henry and Grinnell run "the system" (not sure about Redlands), whereas Piedmont still plays what we recognize as basketball, the assist figures really are impressive.  OldLion's observation that the won-loss problem at Piedmont has more to do with who they do not have than with who they do have makes sense to me.

Are we talking about an award called Most Valuable Player or Player of the Year?  Seems to me that without agreeing what we are calling it (and meaning what it says) we will not ever agree about this Mason-Golden-Baldwin-Hairston question.  And "Best Player" is another thing (maybe everwho would win the one on one tournament?)

Nice first post for lionfan!!  Welcome! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2007, 04:54:01 PM
heres the deal, Randy Lambert wins the one on one tournament, nice try haynes.  Just ask Cazzie russell.

Secondly, if you all think that Hairston, Baldwin, or anyone else would average half the stats they do for their team, then you are wrong.  Would Baldwin, hairston, or render even start for maryville, not at the 5 for sure, remember Bobby is a preseason all american and don't punish him b/c he has a great, i said it, great player at the point.  Bobby or Bo average at least 20 pts per game for PC and HC, LC has more depth so players share the stats. Players at Maryville share the ball, it is hard to average more than 15 a game at MC in lambert's system

Let me give you some examples of former GSAC POY's or 1st team all south performers who averaged 15 a game

Chris Housewright, no gsac team has or ever will have a guy to compare to him, stop now there is no argument there, he was the best.  14.8 ppg
Sidney Ellis, about 15 a game, oh yeah, he was a 2 time all american and one of the 76 best players D3 has ever seen  2 time POY
Josh Tummel, he was more talented than both those guys, POY, averaged just over 15 a game
matt Ennen, POY, average 12 points a game as a senoir, and no one could stop him in the gsac
Brent Watts, 17 a game, POY, and only spencer Beaty could stop him

Ask yourselves this question, Would Bradley Blair start on any other GSAC team?
you all need to stop reaching for this award it ain't that great, it is the All south award that you want and if you are lucky you can even get the all american, i will tell you this, Sid's awards look great in the MC trophy case

Get over your favorite player, the best play for maryville and next year you all will be hatin' on Alex Bowers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2007, 05:17:38 PM
Quote from: lionfan on February 06, 2007, 02:09:42 PM

Lagrange's Render and Lawerence could go into this talk but their in conference numbers are not great and that was my main focus with this argument.  

Still to come an answer to the question posed earlier why is Piedmont losing?

Lionfan, I second Doug's welcome. It's always nice to have another thoughtful poster on board. But, I want to ask you to rethink one aspect of your logic ... the focus on "conference only" stats. It's not like we are in a "real conference" where we are playing 16 or 18 conference games.

Below is an earlier elaboration on the subject. You'll like it, allsky ...there's a baseball analogy.  ;)

QuoteI know a lot of people keep touting the conference stats only, over the full season stats... but in scientific, statistical terms, 6 games is just too small of a sample to produce meaningful, statistically valid results. Consider the concept in baseball terms ... a 4 game series might produce several .500 hitters, or Ted Williams might go 2 for 20 ... but as a realistic indication of the players true value, it's meaningless ... it's just too small of a population of data to draw any valid conclusions ... the same logic should prevail here.

Also, I'm eagerly awaiting your thoughts on the Piedmont question ... Although, I think I've got it figured out ... It's our GM's fault. Obviously, we should have traded for Blair and/or Maddox in the off season.  8) Where is John Schuerholz when you need him?  >:(

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on February 06, 2007, 05:40:27 PM
Old Lion,

I don't want this to come off as negative, but I'm curious as to what Piedmont's assist average is at home and on the road, and against DIII competition and against the Christian schools...  the averages could be pretty close at home and away, and pretty close against DIII and Christian schools.  I honestly don't know... just curious.  Since you are the "KING OF ALL STATS", I thought you might could find those #'s.  If they are pretty consistent, then I am impressed as well.  If they are not, well, assists are different than points or rebounds or shots attempted in that sometimes they can be a little more subjective and come down to who is doing the stats.  Just a thought...

That being said, I don't think there are many better twosomes than Baldwin and Green... Bobby and Bo might  have them by a nose.  I would have to say that Baldwin is one of the best DIII players I have seen this year.  I think he is the best player in the conference.  That being said, I agree with other posters that his #'s are inflated because he plays for Piedmont as opposed to Maryville.  Put him on Maryville and his #'s go down considerably, just as Bobby's would go up at Piedmont.  So stats don't tell the entire story.  Even though I just said I think he's the best player, I'm not sure he deserves POY since his team is probably only going to win 2 conference games.  I definitely don't think Hairston deserves POY, as good as he is.  His team is probably going to finish 0-6 and has won three games all year.  Right now, I've got a toss-up between Bobby and Baldwin, with the last couple of weeks possibly deciding it.

You did points per shot for players... how about for teams?  In conference?  South Region?  Nation?  I wonder where Piedmont falls?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 06, 2007, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 06, 2007, 04:54:01 PM
Secondly, if you all think that Hairston, Baldwin, or anyone else would average half the stats they do for their team, then you are wrong.  (4)Would Baldwin, hairston, or render even start for maryville, not at the 5 for sure, remember Bobby is a preseason all american and don't punish him b/c he has a great, i said it, great player at the point.  Bobby or Bo average at least 20 pts per game for PC and HC, (1) LC has more depth so players share the stats. (2) Players at Maryville share the ball, (3) it is hard to average more than 15 a game at MC in lambert's system
Ask yourselves this question, (5)Would Bradley Blair start on any other GSAC team?
you all need to stop reaching for this award it ain't that great, it is the All south award that you want and if you are lucky you can even get the all american, i will tell you this, Sid's awards look great in the MC trophy case

Get over your favorite player, the best play for maryville and (6) next year you all will be hatin' on Alex Bowers


Good post! But a few comments ...

(1) True last year, but not this year ... their "big 3" are getting their minutes this year. I think Coach Haynes' decision to keep his best players on the floor more is one of the keys to LC's improvement.
MINUTES PLAYED
## Player-Team               Cl  G Minutes  Avg/G
-------------------------------------------------
1.Antoine Maddox-LC........ SR 21     715  34.05
2.Hairston, Cole-HC........ SR 21     709  33.76
3.Green, Jake-PC...........    21     686  32.67
4.Baldwin, Jake-PC.........    21     653  31.10
5.Mason, Bo-MC.............    20     607  30.35
6.Bradley, Quinn-MC........    20     588  29.40
7.Miller, Heath-HC......... FR 21     611  29.10
8.Whitlock, Tyler-PC.......    21     608  28.95
9.Adams, Mike-PC...........    21     601  28.62
10.Robby Lawrence-LC........ SR 18     510  28.33
11.Demetris Render-LC....... JR 21     558  26.57

(2) True, but so do we ... 4th in the nation in apg, baby!

(3) Good point ... minutes are harder to come by at Murvul ... maybe that's why Bo and Bradley decided to become "volume shooters".  :o

(4) Now you're just talking crazy.  :D Obviously, Lambert's no fool ... I think he could find a spot for either of them. Both of those guys are very versatile, they can play outside, as well as inside. I bet he could find more than a few minutes for Render too.

(5) Heck, yeah! He'd be the missing link for us. Of course we'll never know, but I'm betting for us, he would have averaged at least 15 and 8, Green (with 2 big finishers inside) would have averaged close to 10 apg, and we damn sure wouldn't be talking about Piedmont's "losing" problem. But that's just my opinion ...  I could be wrong.

(6) Absolutely, I'm already on the "Bowers bandwagon". He'd be the first perimeter player I'd take from Murvul's roster. He gets a lot done .. very efficiently. Hey, no disrespect to Bo ... obviously, he's a good player. I just prefer Bower's style.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 06, 2007, 08:13:58 PM
Let me post something serious.  I hate this POY debate.  It takes five to win; while i do agree that Green and Hairston would probably play significant minutes for MC they would neither one average double digits.  Randy has a system and it works.  On the other hand if you put Bowers on another team I dont think he does as well.  Also Beaty was a five time GSAC POY and averaged 45 ppg.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: colincondi on February 06, 2007, 05:40:27 PM
Old Lion,

I don't want this to come off as negative, but I'm curious as to what Piedmont's assist average is at home and on the road, and against DIII competition and against the Christian schools...  the averages could be pretty close at home and away, and pretty close against DIII and Christian schools. 

After a quick check of the stats, Piedmont credits itself with assists on 70% of its baskets at home. Away from home, Piedmont gets credited with assists on 60% of its baskets.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2007, 08:42:43 AM
Beaty was also a part of 8 NCAA tournament teams as a player, think about it


Seriously though, all that matters is the "W"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 07, 2007, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: colincondi on February 06, 2007, 05:40:27 PM
Old Lion,

I don't want this to come off as negative, but I'm curious as to what Piedmont's assist average is at home and on the road, and against DIII competition and against the Christian schools...  the averages could be pretty close at home and away, and pretty close against DIII and Christian schools. 

After a quick check of the stats, Piedmont credits itself with assists on 70% of its baskets at home. Away from home, Piedmont gets credited with assists on 60% of its baskets.

Close ... Actually, the two games at Toccoa were technically "home" games. It was our tourney, done by our staff ... our gym was unavailable that weekend.

The correct numbers are ...

Away             Home
FGs Ast %    FGs Ast %
307 184 60% 330 226 68%

We are very fortunate to have a stat guy who is conscientious about all the stats ... there are a few stat folks out there who appear to think they have done their job if they can get the points to add up. Re trying to give those "less than stellar" stat folks the benefit of the doubt ... I think maybe sometimes, especially in a fast paced game, they just get behind ... and never get around to recording the assist. At least I hope it's that, as opposed to apathy.

As an old PG, I appreciate our guy's conscientiousness re the "other stats" ... assists, steals, rebounds, etc. In addidtion to our good stat guy, I think you can also attribute some of the 68/60 discrepancy to the fact that we've played some of our weaker opponents at home. The passing lanes are definitely not as open against the better teams.

And ... I would be remiss at this point if I didn't give a "shout out" to the stat crew at Huntingdon. At least for the one game against us, they were much improved over prior seasons. We've been fortunate to have several very good stat people on the road this year ... the ones at Ferrum, NC Wesleyan, and Suwanee, immediately come to mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 07, 2007, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: colincondi on February 06, 2007, 05:40:27 PM
Old Lion,

I don't want this to come off as negative, but I'm curious as to what Piedmont's assist average is at home and on the road, and against DIII competition and against the Christian schools...  the averages could be pretty close at home and away, and pretty close against DIII and Christian schools.  I honestly don't know... just curious.  Since you are the "KING OF ALL STATS", I thought you might could find those #'s.  If they are pretty consistent, then I am impressed as well.  If they are not, well, assists are different than points or rebounds or shots attempted in that sometimes they can be a little more subjective and come down to who is doing the stats.  Just a thought...

That being said, I don't think there are many better twosomes than Baldwin and Green... Bobby and Bo might  have them by a nose.  I would have to say that Baldwin is one of the best DIII players I have seen this year.  I think he is the best player in the conference.  That being said, I agree with other posters that his #'s are inflated because he plays for Piedmont as opposed to Maryville.  Put him on Maryville and his #'s go down considerably, just as Bobby's would go up at Piedmont.  So stats don't tell the entire story.  Even though I just said I think he's the best player, I'm not sure he deserves POY since his team is probably only going to win 2 conference games.  I definitely don't think Hairston deserves POY, as good as he is.  His team is probably going to finish 0-6 and has won three games all year.  Right now, I've got a toss-up between Bobby and Baldwin, with the last couple of weeks possibly deciding it.

You did points per shot for players... how about for teams?  In conference?  South Region?  Nation?  I wonder where Piedmont falls?

Mr/Ms SecState, (great name, by the way) ... no negativity taken ...

As you might imagine, all the stats get a little pumped up against the weaker teams ... the team stats anyway ...the starter's stats tend to take a beating because they play a lot less ... I imagine that's pretty much how it works for most teams. For our assists, it works out to about 18 per game in our 16 games against DIII opponents and a little over 24 per game in the other 5 games.

I agree that stats never tell the entire story. But remember, there are always at least two sides to every issue ... For instance, on some teams, certain guys have to carry more of the load so you'd expect them to do more ... BUT, on the other hand, they also have less help, other teams are keying on them, so it's more difficult to do more. Lots of variables to consider ...

Re your last question re PPS ... that's too big of a project even for a stat geek like me.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 07, 2007, 10:45:29 AM
I support Spencer's post about the POY discussion.  It really is not an especially useful "award."  This is a team sport.  Maybe picking a most valuable player for each team, so it has to do with who contributes most to making that team (system) run, would mean something but comparing across teams is way less useful, at least to me.

This discussion could only happen in a culture where being Number One is held up as some fundamental goal shared by all.  It is one reason we are busy ruining the earth instead of preserving it.

I agree that of all recent MC players, I would want Chris Housewright to have the ball if I really needed to score, and for that matter, if I needed a rebound or to guard somebody, I'd want him.  No offense to other fine players!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 07, 2007, 10:55:10 AM
Although POY recognition is great I think Baldwin,Green, and Hairston would give it up to play in at least one NCAA Tournament Game.. No one remembers personal achievements as much as Team accomplishments.

You want to WIN go to Maryville, you want to transfer and WIN go to Maryville!! its that simple...

Bo Mason is the most valuable player to Maryville.. Jake Green is the Most Valuable Player for Piedmont but neither one will win the POY award.. Obviously I push a little more for PG's but without a true PG you don't have a chance.. The reason Watts, Housewright,Ennen,Ellis were as recognized as they were was because they had Good PG's same goes for Bobby...

Big game tonight Fisk vs Maryville!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 07, 2007, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 07, 2007, 10:45:29 AM
I support Spencer's post about the POY discussion.  It really is not an especially useful "award."  This is a team sport.   Maybe picking a most valuable player for each team, so it has to do with who contributes most to making that team (system) run, would mean something but comparing across teams is way less useful, at least to me.

This discussion could only happen in a culture where being Number One is held up as some fundamental goal shared by all.  It is one reason we are busy ruining the earth instead of preserving it.

I agree that of all recent MC players, I would want Chris Housewright to have the ball if I really needed to score, and for that matter, if I needed a rebound or to guard somebody, I'd want him.  No offense to other fine players!!

Agreed ... well said.

If we want a challenge, maybe we should take a shot at the all-frosh team.

I've often heard, "timing is the key to life." Kyle Kemmerer did not make the all-frosh team in '04-'05 ... wrongly, IMHO.
He fell victim to the mindset, "You can't have 3 from one team." BS! He was clearly one of the top 5 freshmen in the GSAC that year.

This year his '04-'05 performance would have qualified for FOY.
##                     GP-GS   Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  R/G  A/G STL BLK PTS/G
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
40 Kemmerer, Kyle...... 26-23  25.8  .473  .349  .778  5.2  1.7  20   9   9.9

Kyle, we miss you, come back for your senior year. You have the rest of your life to do whatever ... You have one final shot to play college ball with your boys. Think about it ... Have your people call my people ...  ;)


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 07, 2007, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 07, 2007, 10:55:10 AM
Although POY recognition is great I think Baldwin,Green, and Hairston would give it up to play in at least one NCAA Tournament Game.. No one remembers personal achievements as much as Team accomplishments.

You want to WIN go to Maryville, you want to transfer and WIN go to Maryville!! its that simple...

Bo Mason is the most valuable player to Maryville.. Jake Green is the Most Valuable Player for Piedmont but neither one will win the POY award.. Obviously I push a little more for PG's but without a true PG you don't have a chance.. The reason Watts, Housewright,Ennen,Ellis were as recognized as they were was because they had Good PG's same goes for Bobby...

Big game tonight Fisk vs Maryville!!!


You make some valid points, my friend. I know our guys would prefer Murvul's record over individual awards.

Picking a "MVP" is always subject to view point and interpretation. But one thing is for sure, the "true PG" is always the teammate that everyone else wants in the game, when they are in the game.

We old PGs see the world a little more clearly than most ... probably from all those years of "seeing the floor".  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on February 07, 2007, 03:34:57 PM
If I were a Piedmont Lion, I would be very worried about the Huntingdon Hawks tonight. The Hawks got some momentum going into tonight's game. I hopefully will predict again that my Hawks will win tonight!!!!

GO HAWKS!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2007, 05:37:12 PM
29 pt against Maryville, is that GSAC momentum

Remeber killa i played with the best PG of your graduating class.

Scottiedoug, if i had one guy to take the last shot i would go with Matt ennen, remember Hampden Sydney?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on February 07, 2007, 05:43:00 PM
we just beat fisk saturday.

GO HAWKS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 08, 2007, 12:11:57 AM
Matt:  I take your point about Ennen but I'd still take Chris.

So, d3ball, Piedmont clocked the Hawks tonight and the Scots got by Fisk, with Bo benched at the start for some practice infraction. 

Big weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2007, 09:02:17 AM
Bobby Golden, 29 at Fisk
That is a big statement
Games like that will make Bobby an All south performer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: lionfan on February 08, 2007, 10:13:54 AM
I think that last night was a very prime example of why Piedmont struggles sometimes.  While they are undersized and def could stand to use another big man for rebounding/defensive purposes that is not the reason why they have been so jekyl and hyde over the past few years. 

Old lion said you have to play the cards your dealt or play with the team you have or something to that effect and he is absolutley right.  You must play to your team's strengths.  Last night Piedmont pressed from begining to end putting alot of pressure on the ball making it nearly impossible for Huntingdon to get anything going in a half court set.  When you are undersized you "MUST" do this or that lack of size will kill you.  If you have alot of small guys that are athletic you have got to pressure the ball and force some turnovers.  Let's think back to the Maryville game.  Piedmont was down 19 until they started to full court press.  WHAT HAPPENED? They got right back in the game and if not for the most impressive single game performance of the year by Bo Mason in that game Piedmont beats Maryville. 

Now I believe that Coach Glenn has done his best job this year and has gotten better year after year BUT I think the art to leading a team is knowing exactlly what your team's strengths and weaknesses are and to play accordingly.  For year's Piedmont has only pressed either when they were way behind or when they were playing a team that they figured was "inferrior" to them.  I honestly think with their athleticism that style will work most nights.  Even the best team in the conference "MARYVILLE" struggled with it earlier in the year.  The thing is you have to play to your strengths and since Piedmont will not outsize you they must out pressure you and out run you.  Now they have done a much better job this year of getting the ball and running giving theirself easy transistion three pointers and layups but they have got to force the action and the tempo.  Control the tempo and most times you win the game.

This is just my opinon but I have watched Piedmont Basketball I would venture to say more than most people on this board in the last decade and I have seen it time and time again.

Also on the POY question.  Cole did nothing last night to help his cause 11 points and most of those were in garbage time when the game was out of hand.  Baldwin did not play very well either which really makes the battle a toss up now.  I guess I have to give the edge to Baldwin because I do believe he is the most feared player in the conference.  Sunday will go a long way in deciding something.  Wish I could be there.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 08, 2007, 10:57:53 AM
Grubby one your a character!! :)
Thats like asking Sidney who the best PG ever is? You know he is going to say me because I fed him the ball, so you pull for your PG!! ;)
He kept you happy... By the way its all about the Scots BABY!!! Win on the road against Fisk is always big...

Why did Bo not start? WHo cares because we still got it done and in the end thats all that matters...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 08, 2007, 11:20:27 AM
Best player in the conference....Bobby Golden.  He should and deserves POY.  If you look at the first head to head matchup of Maryville and Piedmont and the so called Jakes against Bobby and Bo.

Bobby Golden 9-14, 20 pts, 9 reb, 2 ast, 2 TO, 1 blk in 27 mins
Jake Baldwin 8-20, 19 pts, 7 reb, 2 ast, 2 TO, 1 steal in 35 mins

Bo Mason 12-17, 33 pts, 5 reb, 5 ast, 2 TO, 1 steal in 33 mins
Jake Green 4-7, 11 pts, 4 ast, 1 TO in 26 mins

And the most important stat....Maryville wins. 

I just dont know how you can argue against head to head stats.  Oh well, Im sure Oldlion will say that his son had more assists b/c the stat guy was imcompetant, but who knows. 

Im just ready for the next matchup.  Lets see if Piedmont can go 1 for 8 years.

			
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 08, 2007, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 08, 2007, 11:20:27 AM
Best player in the conference....Bobby Golden.  He should and deserves POY.  If you look at the first head to head matchup of Maryville and Piedmont and the so called Jakes against Bobby and Bo.

Bobby Golden 9-14, 20 pts, 9 reb, 2 ast, 2 TO, 1 blk in 27 mins
Jake Baldwin 8-20, 19 pts, 7 reb, 2 ast, 2 TO, 1 steal in 35 mins

Bo Mason 12-17, 5 reb, 5 ast, 2 TO, 1 steal in 33 mins
Jake Green 4-7, 11 pts, 4 ast, 1 TO in 26 mins

And the most important stat....Maryville wins. 

I just dont know how you can argue against head to head stats.  Oh well, Im sure Oldlion will say that his son had more assists b/c the stat guy was imcompetant, but who knows. 

Im just ready for the next matchup.  Lets see if Piedmont can go 1 for 8 years.

Easy, ohyeah ... why so testy this morning? I've read your stuff in the past and usually found you to be reasonable and fairly insightful ... obviously, something has gotten your panties in a wad this morning. Let me see if I can help ...

First, stand up ... reach down with your thumb and forefinger and slowly pull the offending object away from your body. That should improve your mood.  :D

Now on to your question  ... a few points come to mind immediately ...

(1) It ain't that simple. As has been discussed ad nauseam on here, "just stats" never tell the whole story.

(2) This is not tennis. As scottiedoug pointed out, this is a team game. There really is no such thing as a head to head matchup (between individuals) in basketball.

(3) The basics of statistics ... draw conclusions from too small of a sample size at your own peril. "One game" is about as small as you can get.

Now you know.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 08, 2007, 12:41:58 PM
Quote from: lionfan on February 08, 2007, 10:13:54 AM
I think that last night was a very prime example of why Piedmont struggles sometimes.  While they are undersized and def could stand to use another big man for rebounding/defensive purposes that is not the reason why they have been so jekyl and hyde over the past few years. 

Old lion said you have to play the cards your dealt or play with the team you have or something to that effect and he is absolutley right.  You must play to your team's strengths.  Last night Piedmont pressed from begining to end putting alot of pressure on the ball making it nearly impossible for Huntingdon to get anything going in a half court set.  When you are undersized you "MUST" do this or that lack of size will kill you.  If you have alot of small guys that are athletic you have got to pressure the ball and force some turnovers.  Let's think back to the Maryville game.  Piedmont was down 19 until they started to full court press.  WHAT HAPPENED? They got right back in the game and if not for the most impressive single game performance of the year by Bo Mason in that game Piedmont beats Maryville. 

Now I believe that Coach Glenn has done his best job this year and has gotten better year after year BUT I think the art to leading a team is knowing exactlly what your team's strengths and weaknesses are and to play accordingly.  For year's Piedmont has only pressed either when they were way behind or when they were playing a team that they figured was "inferrior" to them.  I honestly think with their athleticism that style will work most nights.  Even the best team in the conference "MARYVILLE" struggled with it earlier in the year.  The thing is you have to play to your strengths and since Piedmont will not outsize you they must out pressure you and out run you.  Now they have done a much better job this year of getting the ball and running giving theirself easy transistion three pointers and layups but they have got to force the action and the tempo.  Control the tempo and most times you win the game.

This is just my opinon but I have watched Piedmont Basketball I would venture to say more than most people on this board in the last decade and I have seen it time and time again.

Also on the POY question.  Cole did nothing last night to help his cause 11 points and most of those were in garbage time when the game was out of hand.  Baldwin did not play very well either which really makes the battle a toss up now.  I guess I have to give the edge to Baldwin because I do believe he is the most feared player in the conference.  Sunday will go a long way in deciding something.  Wish I could be there.



Lionfan, nice post. You make some valid points ... and you may be exactly right.

But, a truism comes to mind ..."There is a downside to every plan."

The problem with constant pressing is that a press really shouldn't work consistently against a good, well-coached team that doesn't panic. All you have to do against pressure is keep your head up, maintain good spacing, make good decisions, use ball fakes, and move the ball quickly.

There is always the danger that a good team will beat your pressure for one easy shot after another.

But I do agree with your basic premise. We are way too small too just sit back and not be aggressive. But I think we have to mix it up, be aggressive different ways, and try to keep our opponent off balance. I also agree that Coach Glenn is doing his best coaching job this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 08, 2007, 12:51:37 PM
Oh Yea gets a little jumpy from time to time, I guess that explains his 41 inch vertical leap!!!

Look hands down Player of the year goes to either Bobby or Bo!!! Thats it.... No Baldwin, Hairston, or anybody else!!!

By the way I am very critical on coaching, and I don't believe Glenn has done a good job at Piedmont.. But hey thats my opinion...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 08, 2007, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 08, 2007, 12:51:37 PM
Look hands down Player of the year goes to either Bobby or Bo!!! Thats it.... No Baldwin, Hairston, or anybody else!!!

By the way I am very critical on coaching, and I don't believe Glenn has done a good job at Piedmont.. But hey thats my opinion...

Be fair, Killer. Even Lambert might have a problem consistently piling up the W's if he were forced to alternate
between a 4 guard lineup and a 5 guard lineup.

I can tell you this. It certainly is problematic to "drive and dish" when there is a scarcity of large teammates hanging around the bucket.

Winning is great ... we all love to win. But for all those who want to tout winning as the "ultimate measuring stick' while refusing to acknowledge that the playing field is often far from level ... well, I think you see my point.

In fact, I know you do ... you are that rarest of breeds, a "True PG" ... you see everything.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 08, 2007, 03:24:12 PM
Old Lion,

I will tell you one stat that I enjoyed seeing in the "head to head" matchup and that was Jake Green was 2 for 2 from the 3 pt line.  That was always the one question about him was the ability to knock down the open jumper when it is given to him.  A point guard always need to be able to knock down the open shot.

I'm always a little testy in Feb, the competitive juices get goin.  I guess I get it from Dan Piercy :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2007, 03:33:25 PM
heres the deal, Glenn would have more posts if he could recruit better, this aint high school, you get to pick your players, you just have to be able to sell them on your school and system

Randall D. Lambert is a heck of a salesman, he talked me out of full D2 scholarships

Secondly, bobby will be player of the year, i will give 2 to 1 odds to any takers, he is the best player on the best team and yes he would be the best player on PC,LC, or HC.  he is the best.(period) Whether you agree with this or not, none of you will take my bet and if you do none of you will show up in Lagrange to pay me my money.

The Grubby One wins again.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 08, 2007, 04:38:48 PM
Another good win against Fisk at Fisk for MURVUL.  Big Weekend coming up with games both days.  Also,  MC with the 4th place in the recently released regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2007, 09:15:50 AM
those rankings are all that matters

2 big games for the scots this weekend, as they can wrap up at least a share of the gsac regular season title, not that they have ever lost a regular season one, but here we go again

Also a chance to deal with Coach haynes and then those boys from Piedmont, i will be at both games

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 09, 2007, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on February 08, 2007, 03:24:12 PM
Old Lion,

I will tell you one stat that I enjoyed seeing in the "head to head" matchup and that was Jake Green was 2 for 2 from the 3 pt line.  That was always the one question about him was the ability to knock down the open jumper when it is given to him.  A point guard always need to be able to knock down the open shot.


I was glad to see that, as well. His shooting %s have been pretty decent this year, considering how seldom he shoots ... it's not like he gets "on a roll" that often. Your question with him has been, "Can he shoot?" Mine has been, "Will he shoot?

Re Jake and Bo ... interesting  similarities ... and contrast in styles ...

The "shooter" has almost as many assist as the "pure PG" ... and the "pure PG" is not that far behind in points and is shooting much higher %s from the field ... hmmm ... so much for pre-conceived notions ...

## SUMMARY         GP-GS   Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  R/G  A/G STL BLK PTS/G
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
10 Green, Jake......... 22-22  32.4  .473  .415  .821  3.4  6.5  39   2    9.3
03 Mason, Bo........... 21-18  30.6  .375  .355  .926  2.8  5.1  35   0  13.9

SCORING              GP   FG-FGA   FG%  3FG-FGA  3PT%   FT-FTA   FT%   PTS PTS/G
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Green, Jake......... 22   71-150  .473   17-41    .415   46-56   .821   205  9.3
Mason, Bo........... 21   93-248  .375   55-155  .355   50-54   .926   291 13.9

You talk "head to head" ... personally, I'd love to see what they could do in the same backcourt ... I bet they'd both enjoy it. I'm sure they'd be superior to a Killer/Grubb backcourt! *

QuoteI'm always a little testy in Feb, the competitive juices get goin.  I guess I get it from Dan Piercy :o

Glad to see you're back to your usual "cheery self", we've all come to know and love.  :D

Who's Dan Piercy?



* Just kidding ... just wanted to see if you two were paying attention ...   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 09, 2007, 01:24:22 PM
Old Lion full of jokes!! If me and Grubb were in the same backcourt, OFF THE CHAIN!! :D Good stat on Green and Mason..
By the way I I really think its an excuse that you can't win because you have a team of just guards!! Coach to your strengths and get it done!! Plain and simple...
Randy is just a great coach!!

I am sorry but it is about just winning in sports... I am from the school of thought that everything and anything you do you must try and win!!!

Go Scots!! I will be in attendance Saturday!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 09, 2007, 02:48:00 PM


QuoteOld Lion full of jokes!!

Very diplomatic of you ... you could have just as easily said full of something else ...  :D and by the end of this post, you probably will ...  :o

QuoteBy the way I I really think its an excuse that you can't win because you have a team of just guards!! Coach to your strengths and get it done!! Plain and simple...

Ah, one of the advantages of youth ... being full of confidence, possibilities and seeing everything as cut and dried ... not yet worn down and seasoned by the life's nuances, shades of gray, and harsh realities ...

Enjoy the clarity, my friend. You'll come to realize soon enough  ... very few things in life are plain and simple.

QuoteI am from the school of thought that everything and anything you do you must try and win!!!

Absolutely!

QuoteI am sorry but it is about just winning in sports...

Hmmm ... let me see if I can be as diplomatic as you were ...

Nope, sorry ... I can't do it. That's just BS. Surely, you aren't telling that to the young kids you are coaching?

Tell them this (from Teddy Roosevelt) instead ...

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 09, 2007, 03:15:01 PM
My pal Old Lion the full of jokes comment was about the Grenn and Mason comparison to Grubby and myself..
I totally agree with you about giving it your all and laying in battler and knowing you gave it your all but the truth of the matter is you always be remembered if you are a true winner.. And life is plain and simple!!
Win or lose thats how we are judged in sports and in my opinion.. No one remembers second place...

Like the great Ricky Bobby says: "If you aint first your last" :D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2007, 03:17:56 PM
winning is a simple equation, just win baby.  At every point of every game a sitauation can go one of 2 directions, either in your favor or against it. you just have to make sure that the ones you can control go in your favor so when it comes down to the end you don't get beat by one of the ones you can't control.

here is the equation

Winners Win and everybody else just complains about what they could have done differently

you all would not want to see the Killa and the Grubby One in the same backcourt, that is the kind of stuff legends are made of, especially at the after parties
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 09, 2007, 03:39:00 PM
Quotethat is the kind of stuff legends are made of, especially at the after parties

Grubb, I admire your consistancy.   ;)

Killer, Teddy Roosevelt and Ricky Bobby ... now that's two Great Americans! You can't go wrong, living by their words of wisdom ...  :D

Killer, you said you are going to the game Saturday ... not Sunday?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 09, 2007, 05:32:04 PM
Old_Lion:  Are you going to be at the game?  How will we know you?
  For laughs, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 09, 2007, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 09, 2007, 05:32:04 PM
Old_Lion:  Are you going to be at the game?  How will we know you?
  For laughs, etc.

Scottie,

Check your email ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 10, 2007, 07:42:15 AM
The great Beaty will be at both of the weekend games sitting where I always sit.  Chance to wrap up the GSAC title, I think they will be ready to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2007, 09:00:27 AM
The Grubby one will be there for sure, you guys will know me b/c i will be wearing a garnet blazer and orange slacks
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2007, 04:28:25 PM
in game update
bradley blair is ballin
25-21  scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2007, 04:47:00 PM
Thanks, Matt.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2007, 04:48:57 PM
35-32 mc at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2007, 09:11:00 PM
It was good to hear Piedmont AD John Dzik tonight on Hoopsville.

Piedmont is lucky to have so qualified an AD.  His experience in pulling the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference will be invaluable in helping Piedmont and the GSAC continue to grow and mature.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2007, 10:14:35 PM
sorry i missed that
Piedmont has an incredible ability to be a great athletic school
In the days leading up to D3 status they had some incredible players, including Jarvis Townes, who averaged about 28 pts a game in 99-00
They have nice facilities and a great location, but let's talk about the here and now
MC dominated them today in all aspects of the game
Bradley and Bo played great and did not really give the jakes a chance to do much b/c the game got out of hand
Bo shot the lights out and Bradley had his second spectacular game of the weekend

Coach Haynes and Coach Glenn, how do you all feel about B. Blair as POY after this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 10:15:06 PM
The show will be archived later tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 11, 2007, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 11, 2007, 10:14:35 PM
Coach Haynes and Coach Glenn, how do you all feel about B. Blair as POY after this weekend?

Bradley Blair looked like an All-American this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 12, 2007, 08:38:49 AM
What a weekend it was.. I was in the building on Saturday and got to see some old friends.. It was nice to see Watts,Monte,Siggy,K-Rich, and my boy Warren Haynes. I thought the boys from LaGrange would pose a threat to the Scots but they just didn´t bring the fire they usually play with.
It didn´t seem like they wanted to win. By the way Maddox is a ball player. I liked his game a lot.

Old Lion same ole thing with your boys no DEFENSE!!!!
My new 1st Team All GSAC Conference:
I am going to put 7 guys on first team
Bo Mason
Alex Bowers
Bradley Blair ( he looked like a POY this weekend)
Bobby Golden
Jake Baldwin
Maddox kid from LaGrange

The Scots have taken care of business and all they need is to win the GSAC Championship and they will lock up another NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 12, 2007, 08:44:18 AM
By the way a stat I loved to see on Sunday was 39 buckets on 32 ast!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2007, 09:41:13 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 12, 2007, 08:38:49 AM
By the way Maddox is a ball player. I liked his game a lot.

Agreed. I've been a fan of his all year. I think he is LC's best player and definitely s/b all-GSAC.

QuoteOld Lion same ole thing with your boys no DEFENSE!!!!

No argument here ... we had no answer, especially inside. Your top 4 bigs went a combined 19 for 28 from the field.
Can't say I'm particularly surprised ... a well coached team with a plethora of talented big guys and a willingness to use their fouls wisely ... vs Baldwin and various assortments of guards ... Well, unless we shoot lights out like we did in Demorest (we didn't) ... that's a recipe for disaster.

Murvul's D also deserves a lot of credit ... they took us out of a lot of stuff we normally do. The driving and passing lanes were seldom open and the kick-out 3s weren't falling ... I don't know what we could have done differently ...

QuoteMy new 1st Team All GSAC Conference:
I am going to put 7 guys on first team
Bo Mason
Alex Bowers
Bradley Blair ( he looked like a POY this weekend)
Bobby Golden
Jake Baldwin
Maddox kid from LaGrange

7? ... 6?

QuoteBy the way a stat I loved to see on Sunday was 39 buckets on 32 ast!!!

I agree, very impressive!

Sorry I missed you Sunday, Killer ... I always enjoy visiting and discussing basketball with you. I did enjoy speaking with ScottieDoug and Mr Blair, however. Both were gracious in victory ...

Final, philisophical comments on Sunday's game ...

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you. I bet we were yummy ...  :-\

Hey, let's put it in perspective ... No one died and the sun came up this morning ... but, I have had more enjoyable Sunday afternoons ...  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 12, 2007, 09:49:59 AM
You know me Old Lion always trying to start some fire.. I was not in attendance Sunday but if i was you know we would have chatted. I took some of my HS kids to the Saturday game.

Old Lion like I have told my kids at the high school no one remembers what happened in November or December if you win the Conference title.. Anything can happen in one game situation on a neutral court. My senior year both teams took us to the final horn. Exeuction, Execution, Execution!!!
Basketball is a Tournament game, all you have to do is get hot at the right time... I love this time of the year.. By the way me and Spencer have turned the GP program around.. 8 wins in two years, we have won 12 this year!!! Its hard work boys.. The little hair I had is definitelñy gone after these last 4 months!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2007, 11:32:21 AM
i think the one of the main reasons LC and PC cant  beat MC is their expectation
It is so often with kids that expectation dictates results and PC and LC don't expect to beat maryville and that even goes for the Killa's kids, now they think they are hot stuff and expect to win, Killa they aren't winners yet so keep them grounded, but their new attitude will get you everywhere
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2007, 11:47:48 AM
I enjoyed meeting old_lion.  Nice guy, even in defeat.  Scots played very well most of the time in both games this weekend.  I think the observation about ecpectations is a good one: neither the Lions nor Panthers seemed really to believe!

On the other hand, the Piedmont women played like they expected to win...it just did not happen that way Sunday.  I can see why they win, though.

Here is the link to Marcus' story about Sunday's men's game.
http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070212/SPORTS/702120301

I thought the youngsters (Hernandez, Blakely, Fosnes, et al) showed some real promise, esp. Saturday.  They have gotten better since November.  Too bad Blakely isn't three or four inches taller.

I also think Jared just might make a point guard!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 12, 2007, 12:32:03 PM
Grubby one you are absolutely right!! How can they expect to win they are a combined 0-38 against the Scots!! Its tough to beat the Ville when your post sub was the ebst player this weekend!!

I still think Lagrange can give the Scots trouble because they are hosting the Tournament.

Tough one tonight for the GP Highlanders.. Got Claiborne and the Estes kid who is the best player in the area...

I want to hear what Oh Yea has to say about Baldwin's performance?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2007, 05:13:35 PM
Baldwin had a pretty good game, his supporting cast could not hang with maryville for sure

I think he is a good player, but Bradley showed everyone why the MC players are better, like the oop he caught on the fast break
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 12, 2007, 07:04:50 PM
Well I attended both games for the scots this weekend.  I have to be frank with the Lagrange and Piedmont teams.  The scots fifth man would be your best player.  Your teams play hard, but the scots are still lightyears ahead of the gsac.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 12, 2007, 07:07:33 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 12, 2007, 08:38:49 AM
What a weekend it was.. I was in the building on Saturday and got to see some old friends.. It was nice to see Watts,Monte,Siggy,K-Rich, and my boy Warren Haynes. I thought the boys from LaGrange would pose a threat to the Scots but they just didn´t bring the fire they usually play with.
It didn´t seem like they wanted to win. By the way Maddox is a ball player. I liked his game a lot.

Old Lion same ole thing with your boys no DEFENSE!!!!
My new 1st Team All GSAC Conference:
I am going to put 7 guys on first team
Bo Mason
Alex Bowers
Bradley Blair ( he looked like a POY this weekend)
Bobby Golden
Jake Baldwin
Maddox kid from LaGrange

The Scots have taken care of business and all they need is to win the GSAC Championship and they will lock up another NCAA Tournament.


As far as this goes it sounds good but you cannot put that many scots on the team.  you have to invove huntingdon players.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 12, 2007, 08:56:39 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 12, 2007, 07:04:50 PM
Well I attended both games for the scots this weekend.  I have to be frank with the Lagrange and Piedmont teams.  The scots fifth man would be your best player.  Your teams play hard, but the scots are still lightyears ahead of the gsac.

Well, at this time i was feeling pretty good about my scots.  Hairston and Baldwin are very good players and would be welcome at MC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 13, 2007, 09:40:09 AM
don't apologize beaty, you're the best

hairston and Baldwin would play for MC but their roles would change, on any given night any player for MC is a role player and on some nights any player is a star, that is why the system is effective
Although, Randy would like to know that all his guys are going to hit their average every night so there are no surprises and so he could get some hair color back
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 13, 2007, 12:34:44 PM
I think Jake Green could play point for MC, despite his sub-par performance Sunday.  He can shoot if needed and distributes and handles the ball very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 13, 2007, 06:36:26 PM
Congrats to Killa and Beaty on beating Claiborne, though the win did give the district title to in-county foe Pigeon Forge.
Guess watching the Scots saturday was a good motivational exercise in how to play that man defense. Hope it carries over on those long treks up to Cumberland Gap for the tourney.
You two have seen the Woodrick kid at Pigeon Forge, I know he has coaches interested (think he had a triple double Mon night) but do you know if he's smart enough for D3 or will he have to settle for NAIA because of grades?

Side note: The debate over POTY/MVP is the same one we have here at every season end for all-county and all-state voting. And here's my personal take I argue in those discussions. If it says player of the year then its the guy who had the most impressive season no matter how his team did. Think Jordan before the Bulls won titles. If its MVP then numbers are only part of the formula. Its more along the line who can a team afford to lose the least.

MC's overall team strength makes it hard to say they have an MVP, (though they would suffer if Bo was out because of depth --  top reserve is freshman Laverdiere who is still playing with a wrist I'd rate at 80 percent right now from his use of it this weekend) So in an MVP setting MC's team strength works against Golden. In a player of the year formula it doesn't matter.

To have an apples and apples debate, hard line the criteria first.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 13, 2007, 10:28:29 PM
sorry batteredbard but i had to smite you because I don't trust anyone with more karma than posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 13, 2007, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 13, 2007, 12:34:44 PM
I think Jake Green could play point for MC, despite his sub-par performance Sunday.  He can shoot if needed and distributes and handles the ball very well.

We would not really need him to shoot.  I sure he had a bad game against the scots but I was not impressed.  He has good numbers so I give him props for that, but he needs to step up in big games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 13, 2007, 10:30:56 PM
Chism for president and his running mate can be Bobby.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 14, 2007, 08:34:13 AM
Well, what a weekend.  This weekend was an example that basketball is a small part of life no matter how devoted you are to it.  My wife's Grandmother passed away on Friday afternoon about the time we were pulling out of LaGrange.  My wife is a trooper and hands down the best coach's wife in the game.  So we traveled Tennessee for a split and then went to Tuscaloosa on Moday for the funeral.  It puts getting blowed out in the second half of a conference game in perspective.  Killer mentioned that our guys didn't have the same fire against the Scots.  I guess so but it was more of a lack of execution on our part that lead to a drop in energy.  I really challenged our guys to put their energy to maximum levels at Fisk the next day, which admittedly I knew was hard but they responded.  We didn't play particularly well but I was suprised at how flat Fisk played.  It was their Senior Day and they lacked emotion.  That being said we still almost gave it to them in the last 2 minutes.  Last GSAC game on the schedule tonight.  Love will be in the air tonight at Mariotti.  We will recognize our five seniors tonight.  I hope emotion doesn't get in the way of execution. 

Chism is a good choice but a great choice would be Bradshaw.  He could honestly be mayor of Knoxville right now.  There is not a better example of being a tough, hard working team player in America.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 14, 2007, 01:32:52 PM
Interesting stuff ...


Maryville (Tenn.) (18-5)
Men's Basketball National Ranking Summary
Thru Games 02/11/2007

Back to team selections
Category Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Scoring Offense (379 ranked) 61 77.9 Redlands  117.3 
Scoring Defense (379 ranked) 118 67.9 Mississippi Col.  56.2 
Scoring Margin (379 ranked) 39 10.0 Amherst  23.3 
Field-Goal Percentage (379 ranked) 111 46.3 Mississippi Col.  53.2 
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (379 ranked) 109 42.5 New York U.  35.2 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (379 ranked) 144 6.7 Grinnell  18.3 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (316 ranked) 186 34.2 Augustana (Ill.)  44.4 
Free-Throw Percentage (379 ranked) 42 73.4 Wis.-Stevens Point  82.3 
Rebound Margin (379 ranked) 120 2.4 New York U.  11.1 
Assists Per Game (379 ranked) 16 17.6 Emory & Henry  20.9 
Blocked Shots Per Game (379 ranked) 305 2.0 Chris. Newport  6.7 
Steals Per Game (379 ranked) 155 8.0 Redlands  20.0 
Won-Lost Percentage (379 ranked) 32 78.3 Amherst  95.8 
Turnovers Per Game (379 ranked) 21 12.6 Wis.-Stevens Point  8.7 
Personal Fouls Per Game (379 ranked) 100 17.2 Carleton  13.0 

 
Category  Player Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Points Per Game (100 ranked)          Mike Hoyt, Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.)  34.0 
Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked)          Michael Romes, Mt. St. Joseph  69.5 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (100 ranked) Bo Mason  88  2.6   Amir Mazarei, Redlands  6.2 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked) Bo Mason  84  36.6  Andrew Tulowitzky, Oglethorpe  51.5 
Free-Throw Percentage (100 ranked)          Joseph Chatman, Lesley  95.7 
Rebounds Per Game (100 ranked)          Nick Harrington, Southern Vt.  13.1 
Assists Per Game (100 ranked) Bo Mason  49  5.0  David Arseneault, Grinnell  8.3 
Blocked Shots Per Game (100 ranked)          Kerry Gibson, Wis.-Oshkosh  3.8 
Steals Per Game (100 ranked)          Elbie Murphy, St. Joseph's (Me.)  5.0 



Piedmont (12-11)
Men's Basketball National Ranking Summary
Thru Games 02/11/2007

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Category Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Scoring Offense (379 ranked) 22 82.8 Redlands  117.3 
Scoring Defense (379 ranked) 326 78.0 Mississippi Col.  56.2 
Scoring Margin (379 ranked) 114 4.8 Amherst  23.3 
Field-Goal Percentage (379 ranked) 48 48.2 Mississippi Col.  53.2 
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (379 ranked) 249 45.1 New York U.  35.2 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (379 ranked) 65 7.8 Grinnell  18.3 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (316 ranked) 184 34.2 Augustana (Ill.)  44.4 
Free-Throw Percentage (379 ranked) 168 68.9 Wis.-Stevens Point  82.3 
Rebound Margin (379 ranked) 274 -2.0 New York U.  11.1 
Assists Per Game (379 ranked) 4 19.8 Emory & Henry  20.9  
Blocked Shots Per Game (379 ranked) 361 1.4 Chris. Newport  6.7 
Steals Per Game (379 ranked) 29 10.3 Redlands  20.0 
Won-Lost Percentage (379 ranked) 184 52.2 Amherst  95.8 
Turnovers Per Game (379 ranked) 180 15.9 Wis.-Stevens Point  8.7 
Personal Fouls Per Game (379 ranked) 144 17.7 Carleton  13.0 

 
Category  Player Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Points Per Game (100 ranked) Jake Baldwin  7  23.7  Mike Hoyt, Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.)  34.0 
Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked) Jake Baldwin  58  57.7  Michael Romes, Mt. St. Joseph  69.5 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (100 ranked)          Amir Mazarei, Redlands  6.2 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked)          Andrew Tulowitzky, Oglethorpe  51.5 
Free-Throw Percentage (100 ranked)          Joseph Chatman, Lesley  95.7 
Rebounds Per Game (100 ranked) Jake Baldwin  55  9.0  Nick Harrington, Southern Vt.  13.1 
Assists Per Game (100 ranked) Jake Green  11  6.3  David Arseneault, Grinnell  8.3 
Blocked Shots Per Game (100 ranked)          Kerry Gibson, Wis.-Oshkosh  3.8 
Steals Per Game (100 ranked)          Elbie Murphy, St. Joseph's (Me.)  5.0 



LaGrange (15-8)
Men's Basketball National Ranking Summary
Thru Games 02/11/2007

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Category Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Scoring Offense (379 ranked) 38 80.0 Redlands  117.3 
Scoring Defense (379 ranked) 328 78.1 Mississippi Col.  56.2 
Scoring Margin (379 ranked) 165 2.0 Amherst  23.3 
Field-Goal Percentage (379 ranked) 191 44.5 Mississippi Col.  53.2 
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (379 ranked) 340 47.8 New York U.  35.2 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (379 ranked) 285 5.3 Grinnell  18.3 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (316 ranked) 229 33.1 Augustana (Ill.)  44.4 
Free-Throw Percentage (379 ranked) 115 70.4 Wis.-Stevens Point  82.3 
Rebound Margin (379 ranked) 160 1.3 New York U.  11.1 
Assists Per Game (379 ranked) 75 15.7 Emory & Henry  20.9 
Blocked Shots Per Game (379 ranked) 124 3.1 Chris. Newport  6.7 
Steals Per Game (379 ranked) 16 11.4 Redlands  20.0 
Won-Lost Percentage (379 ranked) 93 65.2 Amherst  95.8 
Turnovers Per Game (379 ranked) 192 16.1 Wis.-Stevens Point  8.7 
Personal Fouls Per Game (379 ranked) 313 20.3 Carleton  13.0 

 
Category  Player Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Points Per Game (100 ranked)          Mike Hoyt, Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.)  34.0 
Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked)          Michael Romes, Mt. St. Joseph  69.5 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (100 ranked)          Amir Mazarei, Redlands  6.2 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked)          Andrew Tulowitzky, Oglethorpe  51.5 
Free-Throw Percentage (100 ranked)          Joseph Chatman, Lesley  95.7 
Rebounds Per Game (100 ranked)          Nick Harrington, Southern Vt.  13.1 
Assists Per Game (100 ranked)          David Arseneault, Grinnell  8.3 
Blocked Shots Per Game (100 ranked)          Kerry Gibson, Wis.-Oshkosh  3.8 
Steals Per Game (100 ranked)          Elbie Murphy, St. Joseph's (Me.)  5.0 


Huntingdon (3-20)
Men's Basketball National Ranking Summary
Thru Games 02/11/2007

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Category Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Scoring Offense (379 ranked) 375 56.9 Redlands  117.3 
Scoring Defense (379 ranked) 119 68.0 Mississippi Col.  56.2 
Scoring Margin (379 ranked) 346 -11.1 Amherst  23.3 
Field-Goal Percentage (379 ranked) 270 42.5 Mississippi Col.  53.2 
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (379 ranked) 125 42.8 New York U.  35.2 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (379 ranked) 254 5.7 Grinnell  18.3 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (316 ranked) 301 30.4 Augustana (Ill.)  44.4 
Free-Throw Percentage (379 ranked) 364 59.6 Wis.-Stevens Point  82.3 
Rebound Margin (379 ranked) 150 1.5 New York U.  11.1 
Assists Per Game (379 ranked) 303 12.0 Emory & Henry  20.9 
Blocked Shots Per Game (379 ranked) 290 2.0 Chris. Newport  6.7 
Steals Per Game (379 ranked) 300 6.3 Redlands  20.0 
Won-Lost Percentage (379 ranked) 367 13.0 Amherst  95.8 
Turnovers Per Game (379 ranked) 354 19.5 Wis.-Stevens Point  8.7 
Personal Fouls Per Game (379 ranked) 19 15.4 Carleton  13.0 

 
Category  Player Rank Actual National Leader Actual
Points Per Game (100 ranked)          Mike Hoyt, Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.)  34.0 
Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked)          Michael Romes, Mt. St. Joseph  69.5 
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (100 ranked)          Amir Mazarei, Redlands  6.2 
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (100 ranked)          Andrew Tulowitzky, Oglethorpe  51.5 
Free-Throw Percentage (100 ranked)          Joseph Chatman, Lesley  95.7 
Rebounds Per Game (100 ranked)          Nick Harrington, Southern Vt.  13.1 
Assists Per Game (100 ranked)          David Arseneault, Grinnell  8.3 
Blocked Shots Per Game (100 ranked)          Kerry Gibson, Wis.-Oshkosh  3.8 
Steals Per Game (100 ranked)          Elbie Murphy, St. Joseph's (Me.)  5.0 



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 14, 2007, 01:49:55 PM
The fact is any of these players would do better in Lambert's system, he is a better coach, sorry if he did not recruit you, you all could transfer and walk on
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 14, 2007, 06:48:56 PM
Yeah i personally could care less about much of that individual stuff.  The bottom line is a W or an L.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 14, 2007, 07:29:37 PM
Nice article about "Lambert's Legacy" in the Blount Today this week:
(It even mentions the famous Watts!)

http://www.blounttoday.com/blnt/home/article/0,2355,BLNT_18867_5351511,00.html (http://www.blounttoday.com/blnt/home/article/0,2355,BLNT_18867_5351511,00.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on February 14, 2007, 09:35:09 PM
any updates on the huntingdon/lagrange game?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 14, 2007, 11:47:25 PM
that was a great article
I will say this,
Coach Haynes kind of reminds me of a younger, less sexy Randy, jk, but he does have charisma and his players and opponents seem to like him, if he can learn the right lessons and it seems he is learning a lot of them the hard way against maryville, we could be talking about Haynes getting his 500th one day.
this is a strong compliment coach haynes, so make me look good in the conference tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2007, 12:01:11 AM
The grubby One is entirely correct!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 15, 2007, 08:29:11 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 14, 2007, 11:47:25 PM
that was a great article
I will say this,
Coach Haynes kind of reminds me of a younger, less sexy Randy, jk, but he does have charisma and his players and opponents seem to like him, if he can learn the right lessons and it seems he is learning a lot of them the hard way against maryville, we could be talking about Haynes getting his 500th one day.
this is a strong compliment coach haynes, so make me look good in the conference tourney

     Hey grubby...I have known Coach Lambert since 1983. I like and respect him but in no way, shape, or form does the word "sexy" come to mind when I think of him.  ;D ;D

GO SCOTS!!  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 15, 2007, 08:48:12 AM
yeah i was talking about him in the 70s b/c it was all down hill in the 80s for him.  it was a downward spiral once Tom Robinson hit campus
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 15, 2007, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 15, 2007, 08:48:12 AM
yeah i was talking about him in the 70s b/c it was all down hill in the 80s for him.  it was a downward spiral once Tom Robinson hit campus

    Ole TR....haven't seen that rascal in many moons.  Isn't he coaching somewhere? JC/Kingsport area maybe? If memory serves me, I think he is from that area. It has been a long time so I may be way off.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 15, 2007, 12:40:38 PM
Congrats to Render and to LC on a great season 16-8 so far and 4-2 in the GSAC
1000 pts is a big milestone that players don't reach without a lot of help from their teammates and coach so congrats to all of you

I hope Maryville beats LC in the championship game, sorry i like what you all have done this year but i am a scot til the end
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 15, 2007, 06:57:52 PM
Huge game tonight for MC.  Tennessee Wesleyan coming to town, and they are probably the toughest team left on the schedule.  Even though they are not NCAA it is still an important game.  Prediction 76-69 scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2007, 10:50:45 PM
3 for 20something from the 3 won't beat TN Wesleyan.  Zack Guilmire should have listened to Randy and come to MC.   Blair really has stepped up lately!  Scots need to win the next three.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 16, 2007, 03:03:07 PM
tough one last night, but i would not trade any of my fighting scots for any of those guys on TWC, so we had a tough shooting night, those happen.  Our guys played hard and dominated the inside.  The bottomline is the shots weren't falling last night, but they will tomorrow and next week in Lagrange.  Keep it up Scots.  you guys played great last night and now we are getting back to a D3 schedule and we are going to dominate.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 16, 2007, 09:42:20 PM
Yeah that was a tough loss.  I would not consider this season bad.  While we aren't at 20 games we have lost 3 to non d3 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 17, 2007, 12:51:37 PM
Today will be the first time you can listen to everybody's second favorite team on the internet.  Go to our page at 1:45 and it is easy to find the link.  Good luck to all GSAC schools in action this afternoon. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 17, 2007, 02:42:45 PM
Rust comes to town against the scots.  We need this one bad.  I am sure it will be very uptempo.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 17, 2007, 06:55:14 PM
Good win for MC on senior night.  The last two possesions were a bobby 3 and a bradley blair dunk.  Congrats to Randy on 498 hope you get 500 and a gsac championship in the same game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 18, 2007, 12:28:11 AM
Saw in the NewsSentinel that the real Spencer Beaty was named Coach of the Year in whatever District his G-P team plays in.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 18, 2007, 01:07:28 AM
Congrats to the real Spencer Beaty! Sounds like he deserved it. He and Raul really turned that program around.

And speaking of GSAC Killer--twice, while sitting in the stands this year I have heard his name brought up. One was a clear, "I miss Placeres!" and one was a similar positive comment. Nice to be remembered and missed, I'm sure. And now he knows...  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 18, 2007, 10:43:26 PM
where did gsac tourney at?  I'm thinking Lagrange.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 19, 2007, 10:08:30 AM
First Team - All-GSAC   
  PGs/Wings: 
10  Jake Green  PC
 3  Bo Mason  MC
22  Antoine Maddox  LC
  Posts/Forwards:   
24  Cole Hairston  HC
4425 B GoldenBlair  MC
   
Second Team - All-GSAC   
  PGs/Wings: 
21  Mike Adams  PC
32  Robby Lawrence  LC
24  Alex Bowers  MC
  Posts/Forwards:   
55  Demetrius Render  LC
25  Bradley Blair  MC
   
High Honorable Mention   
11  Tyler Whitlock  PC
40  Quinn Bradley  MC
   
GSAC Player of the Year   
20  Jake Baldwin  PC
   
GSAC Coach of the Year   
Warren "Sky Jacket" Haynes

Without question, the most dominant force in the GSAC is that two-headed monster playing center for Murvul. But technically, it must be acknowledged the B. GoldenBlair is two people ... therefore, giving "it" somewhat of an unfair advantage in the POY race. (BTW, "It" also gives Murvul a heck of an advantage, in general.) Acknowledging GoldenBlair's "10 fouls to give" advantage ... clearly, Jake Baldwin is the most dominant force in the GSAC with only 5 fouls to give ... therefore, he is the POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 19, 2007, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 19, 2007, 10:08:30 AM
Without question, the most dominant force in the GSAC is that two-headed monster playing center for Murvul. But technically, it must be acknowledged the B. GoldenBlair is two people ... therefore, giving "it" somewhat of an unfair advantage in the POY race. (BTW, "It" also gives Murvul a heck of an advantage, in general.) Acknowledging GoldenBlair's "10 fouls to give" advantage ... clearly, Jake Baldwin is the most dominant force in the GSAC with only 5 fouls to give ... therefore, he is the POY.

The numbers for the POY candidates ...

                              GP-GS   Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  RPG  APG STL BLK PPG
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
GoldenBlair .......        25-22  39.6  .510  .278  .730  11.3  2.5  24  33  28.2

Baldwin, Jake.......      25-25   30.5  .586  .253  .699  9.0  1.2  37  18  24.1

Hairston, Cole......       25-25   33.1  .482  .300  .581  6.3  2.4  36  19  16.0

Golden, Bobby.......      25-22  24.6  .518  .278  .782  7.5  1.9  17  21  15.4
Blair, Bradley......          25- 0  15.0  .502  .000  .659  3.8  0.6   7  12  12.8

The only slight flaw I see in GoldenBlair's otherwise impressive credentials is its FG%. For such a dominant entity, playing with top quality teammates, in a top quality system ... it seems its shooting percentage should be higher. And remember, GoldenBlair never has to play cautiously (10 fouls to give) or tired (4 lungs to use).   :o  ;)


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 19, 2007, 12:20:19 PM
Jake Baldwing POY?  Well if you mean most valuable you might be right, but Bobby, Bradley, Alex, and maybe Bo are all on my board before him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 19, 2007, 07:00:55 PM
Man this season has absolutely flown by.  I would like to thank all the posters who made this possible from my man Grubb to Oldlion and i could go on and on.  I have no life so I enjoy this.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 19, 2007, 07:04:14 PM
Then you will really enjoy this link Spence...
http://www.greatsouth.org/06-07%20News/2_19_06_MBB_All-Conf.htm

I am so happy that I beat OldLion to this!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 19, 2007, 11:26:33 PM
Well Old Lion, it appears Jake Green didnt even get squat.  I figured he would be acknowledged somehow.  And Timmy Blakely on the freshman team?  What was the criteria, playing in blow outs?  You put him on there and not Jared Leverdiere...wow. 

Coach Haynes, why only 8 picks and not the 10 we were used to?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 11:40:10 PM
Perhaps because the conference is smaller.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 20, 2007, 09:47:42 AM
Pat is correct.  The ratio is the same as 10 members from a five team conference.  I didn't bring this up earlier because I felt it was inside information that I should not leak.  I try to open and honest on this board, be myself, so to say, but I have a professional responsibility too.  As you look at that list there probably are a few notable MIA's that come to mind quickly and a few that are unsung heros who just don't make teams like that but are still irreplaceable at their school.  Congrats to all the members!  I feel like everyone on the team is very deserving.  Obviously I can't discuss how I voted, but I will say that with only four people voting it makes for a small statistical group which doesn't react well to drastic differences in voting.  OldLion could probably explain that better since it has been 11 years since I had Behavioral Statistics and I also made a C in that class. 
I can comment on that I was selected as Co-Coach of the Year with Lambert.  I am deeply honored and humbled by that.  I will quickly explain that to me that means we are the co-team of the year.  I haven't scored 1 point of the 80ppg that we score and haven't gotten one of the 12 steals a game we average.  I know for a fact that I have lost more games this season for my team than I have won.  These guys on this team have grown with me and deserve everything that they have.  The reason we had the regular season we did was due to one thing...commitment!  I tell people all the time that at the D3 level if your players aren't committed then the limited amount of time a coach gets with them will only scratch the surface of what can be accomplished.  Our guys came together last spring, summer and fall to do something special.  Now don't get me wrong, we don't just walk in and roll the balls out everyday.  We go to work.  I work them harder than they think they can and when they forget about how hard it is and just do it naturally that is when you win 9 out of 10 games to end the regular season.  Sure we would have liked to have made it 10 out of 10 but we got what we deserved.  We are living right and working hard and when you do that you get what you deserve. 
That was long winded!  I hope everyone has a safe trip to LaGrange for the tournament and if you need any tips on where to eat just ask me, I am 15 pounds overweight right now so I can definitely point you in the right direction.  Which leads to another theory of mine about overweight coaches are better coaches than skinny ones, but that is for another day.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 20, 2007, 10:14:58 AM
All the Grubby One will say is this,

The real winner in this all GSAC crap is Jake Baldwin and it is crap and here is why

CoPlayer of the year, I hate that Co crap, but that guy can flat out play and player of the year crap not really that important as compared to

Jake Baldwin GSAC All Academic, this guy made the All Academic Team and lead the league in scoring, now that is impressive b/c this is D3 boys, these kids are in school to learn

That is a model for a true Student/Athlete

The Grubby One is done!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 20, 2007, 10:16:49 AM
I know you have all been eagerly awaiting my input, so here goes ...

Unbelievable! What genius managed this FUBAR* deal? Obviously, a very sophisticated selection process ... just go to the list of top scorers, and draw a line under how many you want ... and you couldn't even do that right. Who did Render piss off?

I didn't need you to just list the top scorers in the league ... I already had that information ... I can read. Since I understand the coaches are somewhat involved in this process, I was sort of hoping you'd make a thoughtful attempt to recognize the top players (as opposed to just the top scorers) in the "conference". I realize the average "fan" frequently appears to believe those two things are synonymous ... but JHC! ... I was hoping our coaches were above that mind set. Silly me ...

SCORING
## Player-Team               Cl  G   FG  3FG   FT  Pts Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------
1.Baldwin, Jake-PC.........    23  206   19  113  544  23.7
2.Robby Lawrence-LC........ SR 21  125   43   70  363  17.3
3.Demetris Render-LC....... JR 23  136    2  108  382  16.6
4.Hairston, Cole-HC........ SR 24  150   14   67  381  15.9
5.Adams, Mike-PC...........    23  129   56   30  344  15.0
6.Golden, Bobby-MC.........    24  131    4   89  355  14.8
7.Antoine Maddox-LC........ SR 24  126   31   64  347  14.5
8.Mason, Bo-MC.............    24  105   63   52  325  13.5
9.Blair, Bradley-MC........    24  128    0   52  308  12.8

Hey, nothing wrong with the guys you picked, they are all deserving. But what's the deal with only 8 guys? ... someone get tired? ... have to catch a bus?

Didn't the "conference" already appear half-assed enough as it is? We need to re-enforce that perception by only picking 8 guys? We couldn't be bothered with picking 11 guys (POY + 1st and 2nd teams, like last year)?
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/2_24_06_MBB__Conf.htm

I'll tell you who got screwed by the "decision" to only pick an 8 man team ... ( I hesitate to use the word "decision", because that implies thoughtful consideration. Obviously, thoughtful consideration was not a key element in this FUBAR process.)

Demetris Render:
One of three players who carried the most improved team in the "league". You can honor his coach with a Co-COY award ... thus recognizing 50% of the coaches???  ... but you can only acknowledge 8 players? Cracka, please! Render's rankings ... scoring 3rd, rebounding 6th, FG% 4th, FT% 8th, steals 10th ... That's not an All-GSAC player?

Jake Green:
Best PG in the "conference" ... GSAC leader and nationally ranked in assists for 3 straight years ... but apparently, that's insignificant ... it's all about "volume shooting" in the GSAC. Green's rankings ... assists 1st, steals 4th, FT% 3rd, FG% 10th,  scoring 12th,  ... That's not an All-GSAC player?

Alex Bowers:
Probably the best all-around guard in the "conference"  ... he does everything well. He would have been the 2nd Murvul player I would have selected. One of the most efficient scorers (highest PPS)  ... but apparently, that's insignificant ... it's all about "volume shooting" in the GSAC. Bower's rankings ... assists 7th, steals 2nd, FT% 7th, FG% 3rd, rebounding 9th, scoring 10th,  ... That's not an All-GSAC player?

* For those of you who may be unaware, (since "unawareness" seems to be our current theme) FUBAR is an acronym ... the last part is Beyond All Recognition.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 20, 2007, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 20, 2007, 09:47:42 AM
The ratio is the same as 10 members from a five team conference. 

Oh ... well that makes perfect sense ...   ::)

That explains why we selected 11 last year ... since we were a 5.5 team "conference".   :o

Also, I'd always wondered why the Big 12 selects 24 ... now I know.   ::)

But, doesn't that "logic" dictate that we have .8 coaches of the year ... instead of 2?

Did I say logic? Sorry, what was I thinking?

Un - f  ing - believable!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 20, 2007, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 20, 2007, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 20, 2007, 09:47:42 AM
The ratio is the same as 10 members from a five team conference. 

Oh ... well that makes perfect sense ...   ::)


The more I think about this, the more sense it makes. We have one less team, so obviously, we couldn't grant that positive feedback to as many of our young men ...

I mean that costs a lot to grant them that "warm and fuzzy" feeling that comes with someone recognizing you are doing a good job. To do too much of that ... well, that would have been a bad thing, right?

I mean, after all, these guys are already pampered athletes ... the full rides, special dining halls, the tutors, the "$100 hand shakes" from the big-time boosters ... they get all the perks ... It would have just been wrong to hand out too many "atta boys" on top of all those perks.

No, this is D3 ... they don't get any of that ...

But, this is D3, we have to watch our costs ... but wait, that doesn't cost anything?

I'm sorry, I guess I'm just a little slow ... the entire logic just eludes me ...

But wait ... I forgot ... we did manage to give 50% of our coaches that "warm and fuzzy" feeling. Glad I remembered that ... now I feel a lot better.  ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on February 20, 2007, 12:01:30 PM


But wait ... I forgot ... we did manage to give 50% of our coaches that "warm and fuzzy" feeling. Glad I remembered that ... now I feel a lot better.  ::)


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Hopefully Randy's warm and fuzzy feeling will come in Lagrange with his 500th victory.  Good luck Scots, make some history for the coach you made gray.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on February 20, 2007, 12:49:49 PM
I read this board much more than I post.  I usually quietly disagree with Old Lion but I agree 100% with him and Grubb.  OL has made his point quite well. 

Also, naming 2 POY and COY flies in the face of only naming 8 all-conference players.  Pick one and be done with it.

I wonder how the 2-2 split for these awards were divided.  I assume that coaches cannot vote for their own players or themselves?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 20, 2007, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: scotswin on February 20, 2007, 12:49:49 PM
I read this board much more than I post.  I usually quietly disagree with Old Lion but I agree 100% with him and Grubb.  OL has made his point quite well. 

Also, naming 2 POY and COY flies in the face of only naming 8 all-conference players. 

Scotswin,

I am somewhat dismayed to learn that you usually quietly disagree with me ...  :)

But, I do appreciate your support on this issue.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 20, 2007, 03:52:52 PM
Again the Grubby One must step up with his infinite wisdom,

Who cares, i have won the POY award personally and here is the bottomline.  Really the only one that counts is the All-Academic b/c that is one that translates to success for the next 40 years.  Winning seems to be a habit.

Baldwin and Bobby both had great seasons
so did Haynes and Lambert


Remember these are student athletes and awards don't mean much, my award is in a box in my garage, i never unpacked it when i moved into my new house

I did unpack the NCAA sticker that was on the floor at Hampden Sydney when we beat them in the tourney, it hangs on the wall in my garage and i will sell it to any maryville fan that may want it, for the right price,but here is the deal, i have a job and i get to talk with several former teammates and Fighting scots alumni on a daily basis and we are still winning.

maybe if the other schools and fans in the GSAC would focus on the W and not all of the sidenotes they would have a chance at beating Lambert and the Scots, b/c these awards are just sidenotes.

Keep it up Lambert, i should be in Lagrange to see number 500
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 20, 2007, 06:10:35 PM
scottiedoug:

I see Lincoln has moved ahead of Maryville for the second spot (Pool B) behind Aurora in Pat Coleman's latest ranking listed on the Bumblin B's.

#22   Aurora           10.304
#28   Lincoln           10.143
#45   Maryville TN     9.864
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 20, 2007, 09:18:55 PM
I would love to be in Lagrange for 500.  Unforunately I cannot because I have school and it consumes my life.  Amen?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 20, 2007, 10:01:26 PM
good chance the grubby one will be there
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2007, 11:38:19 AM
I agree w/ The Grubby One that Jake Baldwin's being all academic and co-poy really is worthy of our respect.

I agree otherwise with OldLion that the honors business seems pretty screwed up and mostly in the ways he outlines.  If it is a big deal, then it should be done differently so that entirely obvious mistakes (Render) do not happen.  If it is not a big deal, maybe it should not happen at all.

njlincoln:  Welcome to the GSAC board.  Your observation about the B's is all the more reason why the Scots need to take care of winning two games this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 01:39:14 PM
Lion, you gotta be kidding me wanting TEN first-team all-conference players in a league where only TWENTY start!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 21, 2007, 02:36:51 PM
word, Pat, the Grubby One agrees with you

Is this Upward or College basketball?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 21, 2007, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 01:39:14 PM
Lion, you gotta be kidding me wanting TEN first-team  all-conference players in a league where only TWENTY start!

No, that would be sort of silly ...

Every selection of all-conference teams I've ever seen usually has ...

FIVE FIRST-team  all-conference players

and

FIVE SECOND-team all-conference players

And I have seen in some instances, third teams and/or honorable mentions selected.

And I have NEVER seen any conference vary their number of selections based on the number of teams ... ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc. ... they all have a total of 10 people on their first and second teams combined. (I don't believe I've ever seen anyone put ten on the first team, either.)  :D I certainly wouldn't want that.  :o

Did you notice, they put four on our all - freshmen team? Unique GSAC "logic", I guess ... Maybe you see some sort of "logic" there that appeals to you ... Personally, I thought it just seemed stupid. Seriously, if they can't muster up enough will to select teams of 5 people, maybe they should just not even bother.


BTW, why do you care?


And since you gettin all up in GSAC business, you might find these two little fun facts interesting ...

(1) you appear to think TWENTY starters is particularly relevant ... well, one of our all-GSAC guys didn't start a game all season. In this bastardized logic they are using here, does that mean they s/h selected 9 guys?  ::)
(2) last year, the GSAC selected 6 first teamers and 5 second teamers ... I dunnu  ???
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/2_24_06_MBB__Conf.htm
still not the 10 first teamers you're talking about ... but closer. ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 21, 2007, 07:05:51 PM
Does making the all-conference list, whatever the style, give the player the bonus ability to make one more point, rebound, or assist in the postseason than they would have otherwise?

Then it doesn't really matter does it?

Remember also that there are several lists in most the DI conferences that have been referenced, generally a coaches list, an AP list and possibly a list generated by the sportswriters  association. So perhaps the regular posters (and I dont count myself as one) can come up with a ballot and make a D-# hoops posting up all GSAC team and send out certificates.

But since the board always needs something to chew on, I understand that one of the women's schools is pushing for hosting right to the 09 mens and womens conference basketball tourney assuming the GSAC is still around. It was one thing to do it in soccer a few seasons ago, but does it work for basketball?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 11:23:42 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 21, 2007, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 01:39:14 PM
Lion, you gotta be kidding me wanting TEN first-team  all-conference players in a league where only TWENTY start!

No, that would be sort of silly ...

Every selection of all-conference teams I've ever seen usually has ...

FIVE FIRST-team  all-conference players

and

FIVE SECOND-team all-conference players

And I have seen in some instances, third teams and/or honorable mentions selected.

And I have NEVER seen any conference vary their number of selections based on the number of teams ... ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc. ... they all have a total of 10 people on their first and second teams combined. (I don't believe I've ever seen anyone put ten on the first team, either.)  :D I certainly wouldn't want that.  :o

Did you notice, they put four on our all - freshmen team? Unique GSAC "logic", I guess ... Maybe you see some sort of "logic" there that appeals to you ... Personally, I thought it just seemed stupid. Seriously, if they can't muster up enough will to select teams of 5 people, maybe they should just not even bother.


BTW, why do you care?


And since you gettin all up in GSAC business, you might find these two little fun facts interesting ...

(1) you appear to think TWENTY starters is particularly relevant ... well, one of our all-GSAC guys didn't start a game all season. In this bastardized logic they are using here, does that mean they s/h selected 9 guys?  ::)
(2) last year, the GSAC selected 6 first teamers and 5 second teamers ... I dunnu  ???
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/2_24_06_MBB__Conf.htm
still not the 10 first teamers you're talking about ... but closer. ;)



Actually, you know what, I care because all-conference teams determine eligibility for all-region, and I think diluting All-Conference dilutes our awards. So I have a vested interest.

Smart ass.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 01:01:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 11:23:42 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 21, 2007, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 01:39:14 PM
Lion, you gotta be kidding me wanting TEN first-team  all-conference players in a league where only TWENTY start!

No, that would be sort of silly ...

Every selection of all-conference teams I've ever seen usually has ...

FIVE FIRST-team  all-conference players

and

FIVE SECOND-team all-conference players

And I have seen in some instances, third teams and/or honorable mentions selected.

And I have NEVER seen any conference vary their number of selections based on the number of teams ... ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc. ... they all have a total of 10 people on their first and second teams combined. (I don't believe I've ever seen anyone put ten on the first team, either.)  :D I certainly wouldn't want that.  :o

Did you notice, they put four on our all - freshmen team? Unique GSAC "logic", I guess ... Maybe you see some sort of "logic" there that appeals to you ... Personally, I thought it just seemed stupid. Seriously, if they can't muster up enough will to select teams of 5 people, maybe they should just not even bother.


BTW, why do you care?


And since you gettin all up in GSAC business, you might find these two little fun facts interesting ...

(1) you appear to think TWENTY starters is particularly relevant ... well, one of our all-GSAC guys didn't start a game all season. In this bastardized logic they are using here, does that mean they s/h selected 9 guys?  ::)
(2) last year, the GSAC selected 6 first teamers and 5 second teamers ... I dunnu  ???
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/2_24_06_MBB__Conf.htm
still not the 10 first teamers you're talking about ... but closer. ;)



Actually, you know what, I care because all-conference teams determine eligibility for all-region, and I think diluting All-Conference dilutes our awards. So I have a vested interest.

Smart ass.

Yeah, right. I can see that ... if the mighty GSAC had named 10 guys (like every other conference) to their 1st and 2nd teams ... obviously, that would have screwed up your all-region teams.

Actually, you know what, if they had, and you didn't think any of them were worthy ... you didn't have to put them on your all-region team.

I felt like closing with  ... "Dumb Ass." ... but I didn't want to sink to juvenile name calling.

IMHO, the purpose of this forum is just to exchange information and a few opinions with other folks interested in D3 basketball. But, it is of no real significance ... and it's certainly not worth working up any hostility over.

Have a nice day ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2007, 01:20:32 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 21, 2007, 02:39:33 PM
BTW, why do you care?

And since you gettin all up in GSAC business,

Quote from: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 01:01:05 AM
it's certainly not worth working up any hostility over.

You should have thought of that before you posted that long diatribe, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 22, 2007, 08:22:48 AM
Whoa!!! WhoA!!! I have been gone a couple of days and this message board has gone CRAZY!!! :o

Here is my take on things in no particular order.. Bobby congrats on the award "by the way you are the "POY" hands down.. Sorry Jake...0-2 against Da Ville, 0-2 against LaGrange... Jake you do deserve 1st Team All Conference though...

Bo and Bradley congrats you deserve it!! Bowers you should have made second team but in the end " like my main man Mr.Grubby said its in a box somewhere" NCAA Tournaments baby!!! Bowers and Quinn hang your hats on that.. Two in a row for you guys...

Jake although your by far the best pure PG in the conference you don't need a plaque to know what your worth to your team and your school.. My Assistant Coach Spencer Beaty once told me "People who know the game, know who the Most Valuable Player is and who the ballers are"  Don't worry about kid... Use that as motivation for the Tournament and next season... Tell you a quick story I was snubbed from All City 1st Team in "Miami best city in the world" as a junior and used that as my fuel to earn it the following year...

Big picture is we sometimes forget these are kids and they want to be recognized.. Its not about us or the Coaches this game is about the kids.. Its about education first Sports second...

Hey Coach Haynes congrats on a wonderful season!! I told you in the summer you would have a great season.. " DA Killer is 98.7% right on most things"

To my Old Coach with his great hair, congrats again on a job well done!! Best job you have done since I met you... I hope you get 500 this weekend...

Lastly to Mr.Coleman I hope you place Bobby Golden in your All South Region Teams..

Conclusion:  Scots have another marvelous season!!! Hopefully they get an NCAA Tournament bid for the 10th year in a row!! Not to many teams can sya they have done that... Awards are stored in boxes, playing college basketball and forming the relationships with teammates and friends are forever!! Thats what counts.. No one can ever take that away from any of the players.. Good Luck to all this weekend!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 22, 2007, 09:07:31 AM
Well said Killer

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 22, 2007, 09:10:11 AM
Thanks Killa, and it is suprising to me that you are wrong 1.3% of the time.  Just to let everyone know all games will be "live stat" on our website.  All games involving LaGrange will be radio broadcast and you can get both links off our website.  I am not exactly sure where but it shouldn't be too hard for everyone to find.  Good luck and safe travels to everyone.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 09:15:07 AM
Nice post, Killer.

I happen not to agree with this part ...

QuoteBobby congrats on the award "by the way you are the "POY" hands down.. Sorry Jake...0-2 against Da Ville, 0-2 against LaGrange

But there's nothing wrong with two different opinions, respectfully expressed. Nice post.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 09:40:38 AM
For those of you who have an opinion (or any interest in) whether "teams" are made up of groups of five, or not ...

Here is a news release from the ODOC ...
http://athletics.wlu.edu/sports_releases/0607releases/odacmbb.htm

6 on the first team
7 on the second team
7 honorable mentions
Hmmm ...

No idea what that underlying logic is ... or it's impact on all-region teams ...

No, no smart ass ... I just have no idea.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 22, 2007, 09:50:46 AM
Old lion I warned you I am only 98.7% right on most things...  :D ;D ;)

We all have our opinions on things but its hard for me to give the MVP award to someone who does not lead his team to a winning season within conference play.. I don't know how you guys finished up but it was not that good..

MVP or POY awards in all sports are given to guys who WIN!!! Rarely do you see an MVP or a POY given to a guy from a losing team...

I think he totally deserves to be 1st Team but not POY

By the way 1st Team ALL GSAC Board:
Old Lion
Matt Grubb
coachwgh
Oh Yea
Scootiedoug
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 22, 2007, 10:45:58 AM
well let's do an all gsac d3sports.com/post team
everyone email 10 selections to battered bard
He can tally votes and then we can post our own
4 1st teamers
5 second teamers
1 POY who is also a 1st teamer

don't be scared send your emails
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 10:49:01 AM
QuoteWe all have our opinions on things but its hard for me to give the MVP award to someone who does not lead his team to a winning season within conference play

Opinion acknowledged and respected ... I have no problem with the team's record being a factor. I just think the player's contributions to his team, whatever their record, are more significant.
And I meant no disrespect to Bobby ... he is a very good player who has had a great 4 year career at Murvul. I just think Jake's numbers and intangibles are undeniable. He has had a monster year ... IMHO, head and shoulders above everyone else in the GSAC.

QuoteBy the way 1st Team ALL GSAC Board:
Old Lion
Matt Grubb
coachwgh
Oh Yea
Scootiedoug

But you blew this one! The Killer has to be in there somewhere ... especially after the examples of eloquence, graciousness, and ... MODESTY  :o  :D ... in your recent posts. The Killer is rounding out his "posting up" game.  8)

BTW, did you get that approved ... to put 5 on the 1st team?  :D  You are aware we only have 4 teams in the conference?  ::)  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 22, 2007, 10:45:58 AM
well let's do an all gsac d3sports.com/post team
everyone email 10 selections to battered bard
He can tally votes and then we can post our own
4 1st teamers
5 second teamers
1 POY who is also a 1st teamer

don't be scared send your emails

There seems to be a "rising tide" of support for the old-school concept of "teams of five" ... I like it.

But I am scared. I just don't know ... teams of five? ... or teams of four? What we do here has far reaching implications. Can we really afford to run the risk of diluting the all region d3sports.com/post team?  :o  :D

Sincerely and facetiously*,
Old Lion
AKA ... Smart Ass


*Facetiously, not sarcastically ... the former is "meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a facetious remark>" ... the latter can be mean spirited ... we don't need that.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 22, 2007, 05:42:06 PM
I'll gladly play poll worker for a D3 hoops-posting up - All GSAC team.
My profile email is fine to send your ballots to.

Give me your five second team, four 1st team and player of year.

Emails must come in by 3pm Monday Feb 26, results posted that night. Include your D3 hoops board ID as I don't want to sort through profiles trying to make sure no one is voting twice.

For any and all going to LaGrange, I'll be the guy with laptop and sportcoat trying to kill time between MC women's 1pm game and the men's 7:30 game. I've had shorter layovers at O'Hare.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 23, 2007, 08:58:01 AM
I sent in my list
Teams of 5 just for you Old Lion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 10:31:54 PM
Congratulations, Coach Haynes!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 24, 2007, 10:20:22 AM
this is it.  The big 500.  I hope it is a good game against Lagrange, but I hope randy doesn't have to stress about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2007, 04:46:36 PM
36-27 scots at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2007, 09:31:29 PM
well it is in the books
Lambert 500
Scots another GSAC title with a dominant performance by Bobby Golden and a glimpse into next season with Bo, Bowers, and Bradley working great together on the perimeter

Bradley Blair played well but was plagued by foul trouble

Lagrange did a great job hosting the tournament

Bobo is a baller, tourney MVP
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 24, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
Congrats Randy.  See you in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 01:03:10 AM
Congratulations to Coach Lambert!  500 is a good round number.

We are looking for to your trip to Miss College again this year. :)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on February 25, 2007, 09:26:23 AM
Congrats to the Scots for winning yet another Conference title, and to Coach Lambert for winning his 500th game. He has been able to build one of the finest programs in the nation, that not only wins games, but also teaches young men to be leaders in their communities.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 25, 2007, 11:49:18 AM
i hope we get the odac champ in maryville, but going down and beat the chocs in clinton would be phenomenal

Oh i love tourney time
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 25, 2007, 12:24:22 PM
Yeah the Chocs or VA Wesleyan are the two dogs I hope we can take down.  When do they select the field?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 25, 2007, 04:29:33 PM
Congrats to Coach Lambert on 500 wins.

Congrats to the Fighting Scots for another GSAC win!

Congrats to Bo Mason being MVP. He deserved the honor.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2007, 10:11:18 AM
Congrats to the Scots!! ANother NCAA Tournament apperance!! HEy Mr.Coleman it would be nice if you would have a story on our Coach Randy Lambert and earning his 500th Win and making the NCAA Tournament for a 9 or 10th consecutive year!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2007, 11:05:15 AM
it's time for the annual trip to Clinton
I love the golden dome
In my opinion it is a great D3 facility
Go Scots

I heard Bo likes it too
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2007, 10:11:18 AM
Congrats to the Scots!! ANother NCAA Tournament apperance!! HEy Mr.Coleman it would be nice if you would have a story on our Coach Randy Lambert and earning his 500th Win and making the NCAA Tournament for a 9 or 10th consecutive year!!

Agreed. It's kind of a busy couple of days so I hope you'll understand that it's not more important than, say, covering the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 26, 2007, 11:58:30 AM
Congrats to Randy Lambert for 500 wins.  When they asked me at the tournament if I would object to a presentation after the finals if Maryville won.  I only objected that I wouldn't be recognized because he would be a whole season away if he hadn't been beating us like a drum for the last 6 years.  The man has really good players but the man knows how to coach too.  That is a good combination.  I also thought it was customary to donate $500 to the team that you beat for your 500 win.  I don't know the exact rule but that is what Bobby, Pat and Dean told me.  Speaking of rules.  I am instituting a new rule.  The first person that seems worried or pronounces any doubt about the Maryville Scots is banned from posting for 6 months.  Don't worry 5 years from now we will be talking about number 600 for Lambert.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2007, 11:59:32 AM
No problem my friend... I understand its a busy time of the year I just think he deserves some pub just like the previous coaches have...

We appreciate all you do for d3 sports!!

By the way do we play Occidental or Mary Hardin Baylor?? Visisted both websites and they have two different opponents!!

By the way BOBO had 9 3pts at Miss. College gymnasium!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2007, 11:59:32 AM
No problem my friend... I understand its a busy time of the year I just think he deserves some pub just like the previous coaches have...

We appreciate all you do for d3 sports!!

By the way do we play Occidental or Mary Hardin Baylor?? Visisted both websites and they have two different opponents!!

Check the front page -- news breaks all the time. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2007, 12:10:46 PM
thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2007, 12:45:31 PM
UMHB watch out now,
I can't wait another year at the golden dome and the scots are ready with their inside attack.

Coach Haynes,
does this mean i can't get on your bandwagon again next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2007, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: Highlander on February 25, 2007, 09:26:23 AM
Congrats to the Scots for winning yet another Conference title, and to Coach Lambert for winning his 500th game. He has been able to build one of the finest programs in the nation, that not only wins games, but also teaches young men to be leaders in their communities.

I second that ... he wins with class ... his teams play the game the "right way" ... good fundamentals, team work and no B/S. Also, congrats on another tourney bid. Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2007, 03:49:37 PM
Let's not forget that Ole Randy got another 20 win season, which we all know is very impressive at the D3 level when you only get 27 games a year including your conference tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 26, 2007, 04:04:31 PM
Couple notes for those who didn't see it live.

Randy did his postgame radio interview soaked. Bobby hid in the showers after the game and when coach came in to give his postgame talk Bobby came out and turned the whole water cooler on Randy from behind. (Reference notables on D3 home page)

Even with the flu Quinn Bradley was a defensive clinic. I only saw one play in two games where he made the wrong adjustment, he frustrated Hairston by going in and out to match Cole's minutes and really denied him the ball. Only excpetion to that was Hiuntingdon starting 5 played last minute or so against the MC freshman 5 when Cole got four of his points. Q was equally good in the championship as Scots only let one of the three LaGrange scorers loose.

Mr Intangibles was the reserection of Jeremy Holliday. J really played good defense and made some plays on coming up with loose balls and tipped rebounds.

And LaGrange did a great job hosting. The food in the hospitality room was better than what we get at UT games but not quite to Christopher newport football standards as far as good eating goes for the press. But the staff at LC did a great job with the whole tourney. I really liked the projectors in the rafters that roated a powerpoint presentation of all gsac team with photos and switched over to matchup team logos with starting fives. All in all very class act.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2007, 05:17:42 PM
it was great down there
the B's were dominant and as i said before there were glimpses of what we will see next year, a dominant backcourt in Bo, Bowers, and Bradley

MC is playing great i hope they are peaking at the right time
we will see this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2007, 08:06:45 PM
Tough draw for MC.  Even if they win the first game they got the choctaws.  Good luck MC scots.  I will be there in heart.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2007, 08:13:05 PM
What is the story on MHB anyone.  What conference and if we played anyone they did etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 08:24:19 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2007, 08:13:05 PM
What is the story on MHB anyone.  What conference and if we played anyone they did etc.


UMHB and McMurry were co-champs in the ASC-West.  UMHB defeated VWC in Belton in December.

They play hard-nosed defense and have a talented group of players.  UMHB goes 7 strong (double-digit minutes) plus 3 more players who have 9+ minutes per game.

Kevin Guyden, the UMHB guard, is my choice for ASC-West POTY.

Ryan Burgart, the 6'10" Center, is tough in the paint.

Neiman Ford is another strong guard.

UMHB put it together in mid December and had a 19 game winning streak.  They had trouble with Hardin-Simmons which had strong senior leadership.

UMHB Roster (http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/cbasketball/roster.html)

UMHB Stats (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbasketball/Team_Stats.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 27, 2007, 07:44:24 AM
thanks Ralph
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 27, 2007, 09:48:38 AM
Just wanted to thank Pat Coleman for his acknowledgement of Coach Lambert's 500th in.

Good luck to the Scots this week...  If they outrebound, get to the line 20 times, and limit turnovers (below 10) they will be in the Sweet 16!!!

By the way Miss. College can't possibly beat a Randy Lambert coached team 3 times in a row... Its NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!! But first we must beat MHB
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2007, 09:49:49 AM
My heart will be there as well
to all you GSACers and Maryville fans (since we all support our conference when it comes to the tourney)

I like this MC team in the tourney, I don't think they are the strongest team Randy has ever had, but here is what i like about them

1.  They have a perimeter stopper, The Q, he covers the other teams best player like a cheap polyester leisure suit, tight in all the wrong places.  He is capable of smothering good players.

2. They have that two headed monster down low.  That is 40 minutes of intensity, there is no break when bobby goes out of the game.

3. They have 2 power forwards that are interchangeable.

I think between the strengths of their inside game and the perimeter defense they are capable of they could be a tougher matchup in the tourney than traditional MC teams that have one stud down low and one stud on the perimeter.  This team hits from different angles and that could lead to good things.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2007, 10:12:49 AM
Matt,

Nice analysis of Murvul. I think that two headed monster is Murvul's greatest strength.

Best of luck to you guys in the tourney.

Go Scots.

Oh, and BTW, congrats on hitting 100 ... I'm sure that is the culmination of a lot of hard work.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 27, 2007, 10:58:06 AM
I'm at -69!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D :D

Old Lion tried sending you an email but your inbox is full..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2007, 02:40:43 PM
yeah whoever keeps randomly smiting can meet me at Boydson Baird gymnasium and we can play one on one for some karma and after i paint it all over you you can't stop smiting me

BTW i am behind Ohyeah he has -103
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 28, 2007, 06:14:27 PM
het Mattgurbb.  It aint me man but I do give you some positive karma every once in a while.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 01, 2007, 09:05:42 AM
that is why i give you some
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 01, 2007, 11:56:54 AM
Go SCOTS!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on March 01, 2007, 12:11:51 PM
Coleman,
Please elaborate on your comment in the tournament preview article regarding "past and present makeup of the committee" having something to do with the first round game realignment.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 01, 2007, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: scotswin on March 01, 2007, 12:11:51 PM
Coleman,
Please elaborate on your comment in the tournament preview article regarding "past and present makeup of the committee" having something to do with the first round game realignment.
Check the last post on the SCIAC board.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 01, 2007, 05:21:44 PM
AS there were only two posters choosing to vote by deadline, there will be no results posted for a "Posting Up" - GSAC all conference team.

Anyone know how Jackson, Miss. survived the storms today and if all the teams got down there okay?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 01, 2007, 05:22:30 PM
i am going to sit on the comment from the men's preview about maryville and wait til after this weekend to address it.  I think both games will be good games and i think MC will come through this weekend, i have a 50% chance that an MC will make it through.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:23:16 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Maryville? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 01, 2007, 09:39:17 PM
Tommorow is the big day.  Shoot em' up killer B's
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 11:22:47 PM
Congratulatons to Huntingdon fans on the announcement of the new Roland-Delchamps Student Activity Center (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4g3NPUESYGYxqb6kWhCjhgihqYeCDFfj_zcVKBMpDlQwNTIQz8qJzU9MblSP1jfWz9AvyA3NDSiPN8RANobkoo!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvd0ZNQUFzQUsvNElVRS82XzBfMTVL?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2007/Division+III/Division+III+notes+-+02-26-07+NCAA+News).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2007, 09:51:34 AM
Here it is boys


GO SCOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/font]
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 02, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
Good luck to the Scots tonight in Jackson!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:05:18 PM
Bo Mason makes his first shot of the game 3-0 the Q with the follow 5-0
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:09:01 PM
7-4 with 16 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:12:11 PM
12-7 MHB with a ten to nothing run
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:17:44 PM
13-12 with 11 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 07:20:41 PM
Spencer, I presume you are posting live!

The radio seems to be on delay.

Shumate called for a foul.

Ivey made it now.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:21:32 PM
yeah 14-15 MC is winning now im listening on the radio
947 left to go timeout beacuse MHB player is hurt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:24:27 PM
www.blountweb/wbcr
for a live listening
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:26:23 PM
19-14 MC at the 840 mark
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:30:35 PM
21-16 with 650 left in the half
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:35:48 PM
Bo is horribly cold and MC has had 11 fouls called on them with MHB making every foul shot it is hard for the scots 21-21 with 5 min. to go
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 07:42:35 PM
I am not sure where the refs came from, but the calling of the game this tightly is very common in the ASC.

The officiating theory in Texas seems to be more "Naismithian" than most other parts of the country.  We don't get away with anything.  I think that Murvul is having to adjust to a less physical style of play.

McMurry is known as a more aggressive team and we get more fouls called against us, probably because of Coach Holmes' taking his teams around the country over the years to expose the team to other styles.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
Ralph are you at the game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:43:57 PM
33-24 with Brady Neal with a pair of treys
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 07:45:25 PM
I am posting off the WBCR webcast.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 07:46:58 PM
33-28 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 07:48:49 PM
There seems to be a 0:45 sec delay.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 07:57:32 PM
Murvul has taken Burgart out of the game.

Guyden is off on his shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:05:55 PM
39-32
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:15:35 PM
45-37 with MHB best play Kevin Guyden on the bench with 13 min left
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:17:54 PM
50-39 MC with the biggest lead of the game.  Bo just hit a three hopefully his rythm is getting better.  Bradley with 4 fouls Bobby with 3
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 08:22:33 PM
Spencer, you have taken UMHB out of their game.

Guyden has not been effective. Burgart is silent.  Losing Dickey has hurt, and no one has stepped. 53-41 10:41 left.

Getting Guyden to the line is the key.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 08:23:50 PM
9:55, Murvul 55-44.  Scots are doing it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 08:24:44 PM
Spencer, I am going over to the McMurry women's game.  I will follow your updates.

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:30:24 PM
710 left to go with bradely fouled out and Bobby on the bench with 4 but MC leads 64-51
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:42:03 PM
68-59 late in the game.  MC seems to be hanging on for dear life
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:50:05 PM
VICTORY BRING ON THE CHOCS.  They win 73-62 against MHB with about 30 team fouls of the scots.  Bobby played really well.  Also Q played good D and Brady made some timely 3's. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:55:31 PM
Bobby:21 pts
Bradley:8 pts
Bo:10 pts
Q:9 pts
Alex:8 pts
Brady:10 pts
ptsShumate:2 pts
Anderson:2 pts
Jared:2 pts

Very balanced and knocked down timely shots but MC just shot 41% but 50% in the second half.  76% freethrows
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: t_money on March 02, 2007, 09:01:54 PM
Hey Spence,

Careful what you wish for!!!! ;D

Go Chocs
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
just another matchup between the chocs and scots
how many does this make since the first in 99
these teams need to just start playing during the regular season

Don't think Randy lambert couldn't handle MIKE JONES who MIKE JONES who MIKE JONES
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 09:11:11 PM
Congratulations, Maryville!

Thanks, Spencer!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on March 02, 2007, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:55:31 PM
Bobby:21 pts
Bradley:8 pts
Bo:10 pts
Q:9 pts ;D
Alex:8 pts
Brady:10 pts
ptsShumate:2 pts
Anderson:2 pts
Jared:2 pts

Very balanced and knocked down timely shots but MC just shot 41% but 50% in the second half.  76% freethrows

     Congrats to the Scots. Was checking out their roster. Didn't realize how young they are. Only lose one but that one is a big un.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on March 02, 2007, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on March 02, 2007, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2007, 08:55:31 PM
Bobby:21 pts
Bradley:8 pts
Bo:10 pts
Q:9 pts ;D
Alex:8 pts
Brady:10 pts
ptsShumate:2 pts
Anderson:2 pts
Jared:2 pts

Very balanced and knocked down timely shots but MC just shot 41% but 50% in the second half.  76% freethrows

     Congrats to the Scots. Was checking out their roster. Didn't realize how young they are. Only lose one but that one is a big un.  ;D

     Oopsie....they lose two.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 02, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
Right now, Occidental would like the Scots to start playing the Choctaws (per the Choctaw tribe of Mississippi, you can keep the mascot, but don't shorten the name to "chocs".) tonight.  The Tigers look desperate.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 10:18:58 PM
Congratulations, Murvul!  That is another year with a victory in the post season! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 03, 2007, 12:27:03 PM
It looks like we thoroughly prepared the Scots for post-season play.  Congrats and good luck!  Do the GSAC proud. I really wish my wife was up for a 6 hour drive to MS today.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 01:01:26 PM
Coach, the game will be videostreamed!

Hope she will let you get to a good computer with a big video signal.

Do you have one at the school if not at home?

It might be fun to have some of the players watching the game.  I am hearing that a 3-4Mbps stream (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4502.2342) will handle it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 03, 2007, 09:17:53 PM
My 3mbps at home is doing just fine with the video.  Choctaws play by play guy is good.  Maryville can't make a shot.  In D3 usually you have speed or size but Choctaws have both.  Down 16 with 8 left; gonna need some stops and Bo to make some Bo shots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 09:23:40 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 03, 2007, 09:17:53 PM
My 3mbps at home is doing just fine with the video.  Choctaws play by play guy is good.  Maryville can't make a shot.  In D3 usually you have speed or size but Choctaws have both.  Down 16 with 8 left; gonna need some stops and Bo to make some Bo shots. 

I have been spoiled by MissColl's video stream that we had for the ASC Semis and Finals and these two rounds!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 09:35:12 PM
Coach, we had several teams that pushed MissColl to the limit this season.

LeTU beat the Choctaws in Longview TX without Tyler Winford.

HSU lost by 3 in Abilene.  UT-Dallas was down by one with the ball and their star senior had a brain burp with 20 secs in the game.  McMurry and HSU got to within 6-7 in the last 5 minutes last weekend in the tourney but could not pull it out.  This MissColl team is the best team we have had in the conference since the 2000 and the 2001 McMurry teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: t_money on March 03, 2007, 09:42:01 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 02, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
just another matchup between the chocs and scots
how many does this make since the first in 99
these teams need to just start playing during the regular season

Don't think Randy lambert couldn't handle MIKE JONES who MIKE JONES who MIKE JONES

No,

Randy can't handle Mike Jones.  Maryville can't handle MC.  Another Sweet 16!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 03, 2007, 09:45:07 PM
way to win with class Tmoney


Congrats to the Chocs and good luck in virginia
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: t_money on March 03, 2007, 09:46:13 PM
I told you Maryville wasn't going to win.  What are you so upset for Matt?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 09:46:33 PM
Congrats to the Choctaws.  The only reason they beat Maryville is cuz Sam Beatty was hurt, but we'll take it however we can get it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 10:11:10 PM
Quote from: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 09:46:33 PM
Congrats to the Choctaws.  The only reason they beat Maryville is cuz Sam Beatty was hurt, but we'll take it however we can get it.
:D :P ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 04, 2007, 08:51:38 AM
Good season Randy.  Would have like to shoot it better than what you did in the final game but hey.  Good luck Mississippi College.  Hope you win it all.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 04, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
tmoney
you are the i told you so guy, well at least now we know you never played any sport

Anyway, now we murvul fans would like to see the chocs win the whole thing
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: t_money on March 04, 2007, 02:57:54 PM
Matt,

I told you so. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2007, 12:28:36 PM
Since the GSAC is done for this year, it's time to look to the next one.  Lambert's post-game observations suggested that Mississippi College had bigger, faster, and more players than the Scots.  Since the Scots were the best team in the GSAC, I assume his comments, if they were accurate, apply conference-wide.  Some ASC posters say this is the best MissCollege team in many years, so maybe this is an exception, but maybe not.

So can the GSAC recruit what it needs to get beyond the first (or maybe occasionally second) round?  Centre, whom Maryville beat, won one and lost convincingly to Wooster.  SCAC may have the same set of challenges the GSAC does.

There are some very good players in the GSAC but no team seems to have enough of them at once to deal with the Mississippi College (or Wooster).  What do y'all see as the way forward?

Regarding the Scots, anybody got any ideas where we can get an inside game, with scoring, to help open up the perimeter next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 05, 2007, 12:45:37 PM
JUCO, we need some impact post players
we will have a solid perimeter next year
MissColl has some recruiting advantages over Maryville
1. Less expensive- Miss is less than 20k a year and Maryville is getting over 30k
2. Facilities- Miss still has the facilities from their GSC days, which are far superior to standard D3 facilities, the golden dome is a great venue for D3 athletics, even though we never win there, it is a nice place
3.  I am sure Ralph can explain any academic differences between the two schools but i bet they are marginal but personally i would give the academic edge to maryville, that is a biased opinion of course.
4. I think location is marginal right outside knoxville vs right outside jackson

Any rumors about Miss. College returning to D2, sure would make it easier for us?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 05, 2007, 02:33:52 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 05, 2007, 12:45:37 PM

MissColl has some recruiting advantages over Maryville
1. Less expensive- Miss is less than 20k a year and Maryville is getting over 30k
2. Facilities- Miss still has the facilities from their GSC days, which are far superior to standard D3 facilities, the golden dome is a great venue for D3 athletics, even though we never win there, it is a nice place
3.  I am sure Ralph can explain any academic differences between the two schools but i bet they are marginal but personally i would give the academic edge to maryville, that is a biased opinion of course.
4. I think location is marginal right outside knoxville vs right outside jackson


It appears Miss College has a recruiting advantage over most D3 schools that I know anything about.

I remember earlier in the season, Narch was commenting on how unusual it was for Greensboro to have 4 key transfers this year ... well GC is nothing, in that regard, compared to Miss. They have an informative web site ... check this out ...

http://www.gochoctaws.com/sports/mbball/2006-07Stats/teamcume.htm
http://www.gochoctaws.com/roster.asp?path=mbball

It appears that 3 or their starters and 8 of their top 11, are transfers ... either from JUCO or other colleges ... and 3 of them are 6'7 or taller. Must be nice ...

I sure would like to know how they are able to get that many transfers. I know they aren't the most expensive school around ... but, they aren't cheap ... and they are D3 (no athletic scholarships, right?).

Now I wouldn't want PC to become "Transfer Central" ... that's opening a whole different "can of worms". But I sure wish we could figure out how to bring in a couple of tall and talented transfers ... assuming, of course, they'd have to be quality guys that would appreciate and enhance our outstanding team chemistry.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 09:05:47 PM
Basketball in the ASC is different.

Mississippi as a state has a well developed JUCO system.  In fact the state of Mississippi had 20 JUCO's to sign D1 football scholarships in 2004!  They are getting the natural crop of talent as it comes thru the system, as twenty year-old men, not 18-year old boys.

The Texas schools get JUCO's and also manage to get D2's and D1's who want more playing time.  The freshman who come frequently still need to grow a year or two before they can make an impact.

As for the MissCollege talent, we at McMurry thought we were a big man, a Bobby Golden type, away from challenging MissColl.  We threw 6'6" stringbeans Drew Rigney, a player that I really liked or a  6'4" two sport players (Cole Dickerson, a football tight end) into the front court.  McMurry team chemistry was excellent this year!

We just rarely have someone as big as Golden in Texas.  We can find all of the fast guards that one could want, but 6'8" players are rare.

As for academic profile,

US News South Region Comprehensive Colleges (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1ccbach_s_brief.php)

Southern Region Master's Level Universities (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1univmas_s_brief.php)

Western Region Master's Levels Universities (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1univmas_w_brief.php)

Western Region Comprehensive Colleges (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1ccbach_w_brief.php)

Most of the ASC and the GSAC are listed in these "beauty contests".

These are the top half in each region.  For the ASC, only Sul Ross State, Schreiner University Kerrville, TX and UT-Dallas are not listed, and UT-Dallas may have the toughest admission standards in the ASC.  They would be judged with the Texas A&M's and UT's (Texas or Tennessee, you take you pick of the oranges).  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 05, 2007, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 05, 2007, 12:28:36 PM
Since the GSAC is done for this year, it's time to look to the next one.  Lambert's post-game observations suggested that Mississippi College had bigger, faster, and more players than the Scots.  Since the Scots were the best team in the GSAC, I assume his comments, if they were accurate, apply conference-wide.  Some ASC posters say this is the best MissCollege team in many years, so maybe this is an exception, but maybe not.

There are some very good players in the GSAC but no team seems to have enough of them at once to deal with the Mississippi College (or Wooster).  What do y'all see as the way forward?

I never lost to Mississippi College
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: t_money on March 05, 2007, 10:47:08 PM
Matt and Scottiedoug,

Let's not forget that all of Maryville's recent NCAA losses have come on the road at Mississippi College.  I remember a few years ago when you guys ended our season at your place.  Granted, this year's Choctaw squad is the best I remember for sometime (Ralph?).  My point is that it becomes very hard to go on the road and advance.  Maryville's scenario from last week has now become the Choctaw's scenario this week.  It was a lot to ask of your team to come in and knock off MC in Clinton.  It will be as equally challenging for the the Chocs to get by VWC.

I think you guys have a great program and your coach does a great job with his teams.  Who's to say MC won't be playing at Maryville next year at this time and you guys have the advantage.  We lose a lot of very talented players after this year and next year may be somewhat of a rebuilding year.  However, Coach Jones and his staff usually do a pretty good job of filling the empty spots (JUCO).

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2007, 11:11:48 PM
t_money:  Thanks.  Nice words.  I saw VAWes in the ODAC quarterfinals and they are impressive.  And I did not see MissCollege this year.  But if what I hear and infer about the Choctaws is close, I think y'all may do ok.  You have the size to deal with Adair, who is quite good, and the quickness to stay all over Ton Ton, who will ruin you if you let him shoot.
They are well coached and know what they are trying to do, but so are your players.  I would like to see it!

This juco thing is a dilemma for me.  A lot of the basics of D3 to me include a strong emphasis on the going to college part of college, as distinguished from the move around to play ball part of college.  But juco kids deserve to get a 4 year degree and by definition have to transfer somewhere.  Might as well be Maryville as Mississippi.

I think it is accurate to say that the juco's around Maryville are not academically easy preparation for Maryville, and the fact that people go to jucos in the first place often means they do not have the means to pay for Maryville without a lot of scholarship help, which help they must not have been able to line up or they might have gone there in the first place.

So we are more likely to get Bradley Blair from another 4 year school where he was not having a good time than Walden Buttram from a juco in Alabama.

Sure would like some big people from somewhere, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 11:31:46 PM
QuoteI think it is accurate to say that the juco's around Maryville are not academically easy preparation for Maryville, and the fact that people go to jucos in the first place often means they do not have the means to pay for Maryville without a lot of scholarship help, which help they must not have been able to line up or they might have gone there in the first place.

So we are more likely to get Bradley Blair from another 4 year school where he was not having a good time than Walden Buttram from a juco in Alabama.

McMurry has gotten a little bit of both.  Hopefully by the time a player is 20-21, he has figured out that he needs to get his education.  The maturity thing is important for Coach Holmes.  The mature players will blend better in his system.  We do get plenty of first generation college kids, tho'.  They are some inspiring people! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 11:33:16 PM
There are fewer 4-year schools in Mississippi than Tennessee tho'.  That is one factor.

(Have we not discussed this before?   ???  ???  ??? )

Yes, I found it!  click here (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4206.1536)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 06, 2007, 10:04:12 AM
The road scenario does make it much more difficult
I will say in TN the NAIA schools really plunder a lot of good players from Maryville and Coach Lambert, like a Bradley Blair who only lasts 1 season at an NAIA school and then leaves

I have known several players that go to these NAIA schools for the scholarships and the end up at UT b/c they did not like the school, but if they would have gone to Maryville they would have had a different experience
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2007, 10:59:32 AM
Matt, I think that there is a different dynamic in D3.  The coach in D3 is there to help the student-athlete get his/her college degree and the coach's won-loss record is secondary to graduation rates and retention.  The loss of student-athlete to the university that has invested assets in that student-athlete is felt in the entire institution.

This is a very fine line, but I think that the "athletic scholarship mentality" grates on the "good student/'marginal athletic scholarship' athlete".  Bradley Blair is never gonna play in the NBA, but he has an incredible chance at a great education.  In D3 Coach Lambert and every other good D3 coach is working on the retention, the grades, even the "FASFA forms" to get that student graduated.  Whether that student is "taking up an athletic scholarship"* is the farthest thing from their minds.

*The premise behind the 1960's book about University of Texas Longhorn football, Meat on the Hoof.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 06, 2007, 12:20:09 PM
Ralph: If we could not talk about stuff we've talked about before, the boards would be short!  In one of the articles in local papers when Lambert reached his 500th win, it was mentioned that the graduation rate of his players over 20-some years is above 95%  That is as important as the 500 wins for a D3 program, in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 06, 2007, 01:30:17 PM
Quote from: old_lion on March 05, 2007, 02:33:52 PMIt appears Miss College has a recruiting advantage over most D3 schools that I know anything about.

I remember earlier in the season, Narch was commenting on how unusual it was for Greensboro to have 4 key transfers this year ... well GC is nothing, in that regard, compared to Miss. They have an informative web site ... check this out ...

http://www.gochoctaws.com/sports/mbball/2006-07Stats/teamcume.htm
http://www.gochoctaws.com/roster.asp?path=mbball

It appears that 3 or their starters and 8 of their top 11, are transfers ... either from JUCO or other colleges ... and 3 of them are 6'7 or taller. Must be nice ...

I sure would like to know how they are able to get that many transfers. I know they aren't the most expensive school around ... but, they aren't cheap ... and they are D3 (no athletic scholarships, right?).

oldlion - g'boro has a total of 8 transfers on their roster of 14, with 4 juco's that were brought in this year from florida juco programs...looks like misscoll has 9 transfers on their roster of 19...either way, i simply can't comprehend it, although it makes more sense in miss with the number of basketball playing juco's

in my mind, juco kids and d3 athletics aren't a good fit, but maybe it's different in a state like mississippi...around these parts a kid typically goes the juco route because

a.) he didn't have the grades/scores to be admitted to a 4 year school and didn't meet ncaa initial eligibility requirements for a d1 or d2 program and wants to play at that level or

b.) he thinks (or is being told) that with a little further development, he'll get a d1 or d2 scholarship after a couple of years of juco ball...generally speaking, if a kid is good enough to start for a juco program, he's generally good enough to get a d2 scholarship, at the very least, and convincing that kid to turn down an athletic scholarship is generally VERY difficult...that's WHY he went to the juco in the first place

maybe mississippi juco's are different...maybe they have a lot of d3 talent on their rosters...the mere fact that there are so many with athletic programs indicates that they're different from anything i'm familiar with in md/va/nc/sc/ga/fl (which are the primary recruiting territories for mu) - these states have just a handful of juco's with athletic programs, and most of their players have pretty legit athletic scholarship prospects or they've languished on the end of a juco bench for 2 years and aren't noticed by the d3's and/or decide to just "be a student" at xyz public university
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2007, 04:24:57 PM
QuoteThere are fewer 4-year schools in Mississippi than Tennessee tho'.  That is one factor.

(Have we not discussed this before?   ???  ???  ??? )

Yes, I found it!  click here (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4206.1536)

Narch, I think that Mississippi is different.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 06, 2007, 05:32:57 PM
good point narch
of all the juco kids i have known in TN maybe 3 have been a "good" fit for a D3 program
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 06, 2007, 06:50:20 PM
Side note of fun
While I was very impressed with the Choctaws web site it did have several frustrating flaws. The box score of the first round MC-MH-B game came very late and the running stats link for the game led you to the Choctaws game after it started. The second round didnt get out a boxscore until Sunday afternoon.
While I adapted, thank you again Ralph for providing such resources, not every one did. The regional daily paper in East TN, that I will not name, used last year's second round game box score as the basis for their summary of this year's game in Sunday's paper.
I fell out of my chair at the office laughing when it was pointed out -- I do have one mean bone in my body it seems. ::)

I didn't get to see it listed to george and Jimmy on BCR but was there really that noticable a difference between what constituted a foul Friday night and what it took Sat night?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 06, 2007, 09:11:16 PM
I would like to take some time to thank Bobby and Bradley

Bobby: I know we made fun of you for your weight but you are a player.  One of the best Scots I have seen.  Always positive and knew his limits.  Thanks Bob.

Brad:  Best 6th man in MC history if you ask me.  Became a better teammate and defender in the last 2 years.  great scorer, if he had been at MC 4 years he would have been much better.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: John_Wesley on March 07, 2007, 02:47:06 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2007, 10:59:32 AM
Matt, I think that there is a different dynamic in D3.  The coach in D3 is there to help the student-athlete get his/her college degree and the coach's won-loss record is secondary to graduation rates and retention.  The loss of student-athlete to the university that has invested assets in that student-athlete is felt in the entire institution.

This is a very fine line, but I think that the "athletic scholarship mentality" grates on the "good student/'marginal athletic scholarship' athlete".  Bradley Blair is never gonna play in the NBA, but he has an incredible chance at a great education.  In D3 Coach Lambert and every other good D3 coach is working on the retention, the grades, even the "FASFA forms" to get that student graduated.  Whether that student is "taking up an athletic scholarship"* is the farthest thing from their minds.

*The premise behind the 1960's book about University of Texas Longhorn football, Meat on the Hoof.

Hey Ralph,

Congrats to MC on such a great season.  I think the dynamic is even greater in the NCCAA.  Take a team like Wesley...we don't have the degree programs to offer a to  attract the players just off the fringe of scholarship quality.  That is why we had issues against some teams this year...depth.  We have a few great players but lack the depth to compete week in and week out.  We beat MC when we were fresh but when we played 5 road games against NAIA D1 and NCAA D3 schools in 7 days we lost 4 of them.

We beat SouthEastern U to win our regional tourney, and are playing in the NCCAA national tourney this week so wish us luck!  We are the 1 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 07, 2007, 10:29:38 AM
thanks to Bobby and Bradley

Bobby: an interesting character and a great player, saw many victories in his day and drew a lot of attention, he made all of his teammates better by just being on the floor, good luck

Bradley:  Always be remembered for beating Carson Newman without Bobby and when Monte went down early, really stepped his game up as his career progressed, best 6th man ever and really demonstrated his unselfishness when he was the best center for any other team i saw him play against

congrats and welcome to the alumni game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 07, 2007, 11:11:04 PM
Marcus has written an interesting piece in the Maryville Daily Times about Maryville's future without Bobby and Bradley and specifically about looking to the juco ranks for big people next year:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070307/SPORTS/703070302
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 08, 2007, 10:44:34 AM
Back to an old sore subject ... how chicksh*t it was of the "Great" (yeah, right) South to name only 8 guys on the all conference team/teams or whatever ...

Check out the Big East ... 11 on the "first" team, 10 on the "second" team, and 7 honorable mention ...
http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030507aaa.html

What's the deal these days ... did everyone forget how to count?

I don't care how many teams you have in your conference, it seems to me you could pick all-conference "teams" in groups of five? How difficult would that be?

If you want to recognize 25 guys ... pick a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th team ... it's not rocket science.

On the other hand, if you can only muster the will to pick 8 guys ... then come right out and say it ... we're too half-a$$ed to do it like a real conference would.

Or ... just be honest ... say we were too lazy and/or incompetent to put any real effort into it ... so we just listed the top scorers.

Or ... just don't bother ... I see no need in emphasizing the "chicken sh*tedness" of the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2007, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: old_lion on March 08, 2007, 10:44:34 AM
Back to an old sore subject ... how chicksh*t it was of the "Great" (yeah, right) South to name only 8 guys on the all conference team/teams or whatever ...

Check out the Big East ... 11 on the "first" team, 10 on the "second" team, and 7 honorable mention ...
http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030507aaa.html

What's the deal these days ... did everyone forget how to count?

I don't care how many teams you have in your conference, it seems to me you could pick all-conference "teams" in groups of five? How difficult would that be?

If you want to recognize 25 guys ... pick a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th team ... it's not rocket science.

On the other hand, if you can only muster the will to pick 8 guys ... then come right out and say it ... we're too half-a$$ed to do it like a real conference would.

Or ... just be honest ... say we were too lazy and/or incompetent to put any real effort into it ... so we just listed the top scorers.

Or ... just don't bother ... I see no need in emphasizing the "chicken sh*tedness" of the GSAC.
It is either that new secret defense that they are trying in the Big East, a 3-4-4, or those athlete-students in the Big East cannot count. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 08, 2007, 07:53:03 PM
Who cares about postseason awards.  We lost our last game like everyone else in the GSAC.  Let us all get better.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 08, 2007, 08:47:19 PM
clarify that spencer

we lost our last game by 20 like all gsac schools
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 08, 2007, 08:47:19 PM
clarify that spencer

we lost our last game by 20 like all gsac schools

Grubby one, I am little like you Murvul guys.  I just want to be able to say that McMurry lost its last game of the season to Mississippi College in the Golden Dome (by 10 points) to the national champion! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2007, 09:26:34 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 06, 2007, 12:20:09 PM
Ralph: If we could not talk about stuff we've talked about before, the boards would be short!  In one of the articles in local papers when Lambert reached his 500th win, it was mentioned that the graduation rate of his players over 20-some years is above 95%  That is as important as the 500 wins for a D3 program, in my opinion.
doug, I thought of one other distinction between the GSAC, and especially Murvul, and the ASC schools.  Many of the NAIA schools of the early 1900's are now in the ASC.

Charter members at the ASC's creation as a NCAA D3 in June 1996 from the TIAA*:

*Austin College -- SCAC (NAIA/D3 dual member)
*University of Dallas -- now independent
*Hardin-Simmons -- was D1AAA (non-football until 1990, became NAIA-2)
*Howard Payne
*McMurry
Mississippi College -- came from D2 Gulf South Conference
University of the Ozarks -- NAIA
*Sul Ross State

Added from other Texas NAIA conferences

ETBU and added football
UMHB and added football
Concordia-Austin
Schreiner
LeTourneau

UT-Dallas -- NAIA independent
Louisiana -- added to football and joined from NAIA Gulf Coast AC.

Texas Lutheran -- D2 and added football.

UT-Tyler -- NAIA independent and adding sports as the school expands from its previous position as an upper level institution.


Remaining NAIA schools in the area of the ASC:

Sooner AC (NAIA-1) schools in the Texas panhandle:  Wayland Baptist and Lubbock Christian

Red River AC (NAIA-1):

--Houston Baptist  (I am not sure of their "history")
--Texas Wesleyan in old east Fort Worth (came from D2; has big NAIA history),
--Southwestern Assemblies of God,
--non-basketball-playing Northwood Institute in southwest Dallas suburb of Cedar Hill,
--non-basketball-playing College of the Southwest in Hobbs, NM
--Bacone College in Muskogee OK
--Paul Quinn in Dallas
--Jarvis Christian in Hawkins, TX (east Texas)
--Wiley College (cross town from ETBU in Marshall)
--Texas College (in Tyler)
--Huston-Tillotson (in Austin)

Red River AC has lost Langston OK, UT-Permian-Basin (odessa) and Texas A&M International (Laredo) to D2.

The Sooner AC has 10 schools total north of the Red River.  The Gulf Coast AC in Louisiana and Mississippi has some overlap, but none play football.  And Mississippi College has Belhaven and Tougaloo and William Carey.

We just don't have the NAIA penetration in Texas that you have in the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 09, 2007, 06:07:01 AM
"We just don't have the NAIA penetration in Texas that you have in the GSAC"

Penetration....good word for it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 09, 2007, 05:38:35 PM
Potent observation, coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 10, 2007, 07:38:39 AM
I have been talking to coach Lambert and it is going to be a struggle to find posts.  He has some pretty good guards coming in as Freshman but I do not know of any post that he has snagged that could play right away.  Keep on that coach Lambert.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 10, 2007, 02:44:43 PM
looks like Mississippi College had a strong showing in the sweet 16.  Havent done my research but I wonder if tmoney was posting on the ODAC board.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2007, 02:46:40 PM
Mississippi College strong showing in the Sweet 16??? Not even close. They played very disappointingly and got man-handled by Virginia Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 10, 2007, 07:21:20 PM
that sux for MC, i thought they looked great against Maryville, but it is easier to play at home

congrats on a great season chocs

There are some really good NAIA schools in TN that would make a great fit for the GSAC now all we have to do is get them

Covenant
Lambuth
Freed Hardeman
Crichton
Trevecca Nazarene
Tennessee Wesleyan
Union
Cumberland

Problem is most of those seem like a good fit for D2, we will see
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 08:28:30 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 10, 2007, 07:21:20 PM
that sux for MC, i thought they looked great against Maryville, but it is easier to play at home

congrats on a great season chocs

There are some really good NAIA schools in TN that would make a great fit for the GSAC now all we have to do is get them

Covenant
Lambuth
Freed Hardeman
Crichton
Trevecca Nazarene
Tennessee Wesleyan
Union
Cumberland

Problem is most of those seem like a good fit for D2, we will see
If they have 5 men's and 5 women's sports and at least one sport in each of the three seasons, then they are a great candidate to form a new D2 conference.  The only kicker among those schools is that not all have football.  I cannot answer any mission-vision questions that would need to be answered by the Presidents.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 10, 2007, 10:04:22 PM
Ralph:  Your job now is to make all of us who got spanked by MissColl feel better since the Choctaws got beat pretty much in the Fishtank.  Up to it?

I heard frrom a reliable source that Randy has a commitment from a big person from GA who can play as a frosh.  Hope so.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 10, 2007, 10:04:22 PM
Ralph:  Your job now is to make all of us who got spanked by MissColl feel better since the Choctaws got beat pretty much in the Fishtank.  Up to it?

I heard frrom a reliable source that Randy has a commitment from a big person from GA who can play as a frosh.  Hope so.
Doug, I don't know if I can! 

I am just as frustrated as you!

The Golden Dome is a very tough place to play.  The difference may come with Coach Bizot moving to UT-Tyler.  The ASC-East just got tougher!

I won't air ASC laundry on the GSAC pages, but I am sure we will have discussions on the ASC pages.

I think that we do have an unholy triangle.  Murvul matches well with the OAC schools and not MissColl.  MissColl stomps Johns Hopkins and the ASC and still has never won a Sweet 16.  How we get MissColl to win a Sweet 16 is a real question-mark!   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 11, 2007, 11:38:46 AM
Hey Ralph:

Lincoln recently won the 2007 NCAA Division III Indoor Track and Field team championship and Fisk  was tied for 10th place (in the nation) at the 2007 NCAA Division III Track and Field Indoor Championships.  Fisk's  freshman from Jamaica - Kamar James - is the 2007 NCAA Division III National Champion in the Triple Jump.  Quite a feat for a freshman.

Congrats to Coach Dave Rachel.... 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2007, 11:29:34 PM
Wilburt: we have missed you.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 12, 2007, 12:41:31 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 11, 2007, 11:29:34 PM
Wilburt: we have missed you.


Amen ... there have been several issues discussed on here the last couple of months that I would have liked to have heard your opinions on.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 13, 2007, 09:40:46 AM
No GSAC news.  I got 2 out 4 in the D3 bracket but my champ got eliminated. I am looking for the VOLS in the final 4 after they get revenge on Ohio State.  This is a completely non-relevant topic to this board but interesting to some none the less, but what about Pokey Chatman's drama at LSU.  I have noticed in my short but information packed life that the line between taboo and acceptable is becoming completely blurred.  I read a quote by their center and she referred to her coach as "Pokey".  Maybe there is nothing to it but it makes my skin crawl when players refer to there coach by first name.  I can't even stand it in the pro's.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 13, 2007, 11:28:41 AM
check this out...
http://www.lagrange.edu/news/SLIAC.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 13, 2007, 11:50:16 AM
Maybe it is a gendered thing...I think Lady Vols often refer to Pat Summitt as "Pat," and there certainly is no question in that program about who is In Charge.   How you refer to someone and what you call him/her in person may be different, too.

Gotta watch Those Young People! 

Sounds good for the football program to get into a conference.  It seems to help the MC program.  Now all "we" have to do is get three or four men's basketball schools into the GSAC....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 13, 2007, 05:17:27 PM
did anyone take travel into consideration?

good move, but long drive

talk about a tough weekend if you all bus to the games
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on March 13, 2007, 06:13:37 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 13, 2007, 11:50:16 AM
Maybe it is a gendered thing...I think Lady Vols often refer to Pat Summitt as "Pat," and there certainly is no question in that program about who is In Charge.   How you refer to someone and what you call him/her in person may be different, too.

Gotta watch Those Young People! 

Sounds good for the football program to get into a conference.  It seems to help the MC program.  Now all "we" have to do is get three or four men's basketball schools into the GSAC....


     I sure as heck wouldn't call Pat Summitt "Pat". I would say yes maam and how high!!  ;D GO LADY VOLS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on March 13, 2007, 06:32:59 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on March 13, 2007, 06:13:37 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 13, 2007, 11:50:16 AM
Maybe it is a gendered thing...I think Lady Vols often refer to Pat Summitt as "Pat," and there certainly is no question in that program about who is In Charge.   How you refer to someone and what you call him/her in person may be different, too.

Gotta watch Those Young People! 

Sounds good for the football program to get into a conference.  It seems to help the MC program.  Now all "we" have to do is get three or four men's basketball schools into the GSAC....


     I sure as heck wouldn't call Pat Summitt "Pat". I would say yes maam and how high!!  ;D GO LADY VOLS!!

     I had a chance encounter sitting very near Coach Summitt in a restaurant in Knoxville back in the mid 80's. Even then, the aura she exuded commanded respect. Or at least it did to me. It obviously had a lasting impact on me some 20 years later.  I can honestly say that only a handful of people I have known in my life fit into that category. To this day she is on my short list of people that I would love to have the chance to sit down and chat with over coffee.  8)
     I saw where Pokey.....uh I mean Coach Chatman resigned. I figured for that to happen when it did it had to be a scandal of some sort. What happened?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 13, 2007, 11:14:09 PM
Well you've got what happened, what the university spokespeople say happened, what the press says happened....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 14, 2007, 07:20:33 AM
Congrats to Jake Baldwin, 1st team all region and Bobby Golden 3rd team all region
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 14, 2007, 08:45:28 AM
well old lion you got your teams of 5
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 14, 2007, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 14, 2007, 08:45:28 AM
well old lion you got your teams of 5

Gee ... 5 on the 1st team, 5 on the 2nd team, and 5 on the 3rd team ... makes sense to me.  :o

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/07/southmen.htm

I hope the "brain surgeon(s)" that decided on 8 for the all-GSAC "team" are paying attention ... and learning something for next year. But, I'm not "betting the farm" on it ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 14, 2007, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 14, 2007, 08:45:28 AM
well old lion you got your teams of 5

Also, it's nice to see that someone else buys into my theory of, you don't necessarily have to be on the "best team" to warrant recognition.

Congrats Jake ... and Bobby ... the honors are well deserved.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 14, 2007, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: old_lion on March 14, 2007, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 14, 2007, 08:45:28 AM
well old lion you got your teams of 5

Also, it's nice to see that someone else buys into my theory of, you don't necessarily have to be on the "best team" to warrant recognition.

Congrats Jake ... and Bobby ... the honors are well deserved.

5 bucks says Jake would trade it in for a trip to the NCAA tourney, maybe a GSAC tourney championship, heck, maybe even a win over Maryville. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 14, 2007, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on March 14, 2007, 04:30:13 PM
5 bucks says Jake would trade it in for a trip to the NCAA tourney, maybe a GSAC tourney championship, heck, maybe even a win over Maryville. 

I have no doubt you're right.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 15, 2007, 10:16:55 AM
We had our banquet last night and thought I would share our award winners with everyone. 
Al Mariotti Leadership Award & Glenn Simpson Academic Award - Michael Patterson
Hiram Reeves Dedication Award - Robby Lawrence
Cecil Major Defensive Award - Ben Podbielski
Delma B. Fowler Most Valuable Player Award - Antoine Maddox

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 15, 2007, 10:30:02 AM
Shouldn't all-region selections shoot the ball and take care of the ball a little better than this?

Sorry, but it just seems like another example of one of my pet peeves ... throw it up there enough, and someone will declare you all-something ...

                                    |- TOTAL-|    |-- 3-PTS -|                    |- REBOUNDS -|     
Player            GP GS MPG  FG FGA Pct    3FG FGA Pct   FT FTA Pct   Off Def Tot Avg   A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg
                     
Hall, Lenny      27 27 33.9 171 449 38.1% 33 125 26.4% 175 210 83.3% 27 85 112 4.1 106 97   1 66 550 20.4
                     
Lawrence        25 24 32.7 163 370  44.1%  0   1 0.0% 104 149 69.8% 115 121 236 9.4   13 65 41 18 430 17.2


http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/07/southmen.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 15, 2007, 10:41:36 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 15, 2007, 10:16:55 AM
We had our banquet last night and thought I would share our award winners with everyone. 
Al Mariotti Leadership Award & Glenn Simpson Academic Award - Michael Patterson
Hiram Reeves Dedication Award - Robby Lawrence
Cecil Major Defensive Award - Ben Podbielski
Delma B. Fowler Most Valuable Player Award - Antoine Maddox

Nice selections ... I especially like your choice for MVP.

Also, I'd like to give a shout out to Render ... one of the leading contenders for the all-overlooked team.

##                            GP-GS  Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  R/G  A/G STL BLK PTS/G
55 Demetris Render..... 27-25  26.5  .493   .200    .710   5.0   0.7  33    4   15.5

Demetris, I thought you had a heck of a year. You s/h/b all-gsac.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 15, 2007, 11:19:05 AM
Congrats to the guys at LaGrange and the awards they received.
As for the All Region Teams WOW!! WOW!! WOW!!
Sorry but Jake Baldwin does deserve to be mentioned as an All region performer but not 1st Team!! Especially not over Bobby Golden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well.. Bobby you had a heck of a career and we need a big man for our League!! You are invited to play with Mr.Tummel, Mr.Watts and myself.. PRETTY GOOD TEAM!!

Although I disagree with Jake getting 1st Team CONGRATS TO HIM AND BOBBY!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 15, 2007, 11:45:08 AM
I should have mentioned before that these were voted on by the players with the exception of the academic award. 

OldLion; I don't see anything wrong with the Lawrence kid's numbers. Yeah, he shot 44% from the post but he got 115 offensive rebounds so he probably put a few misses back in.  Also Jake had 33 ast to 80 to's. Sometimes post players don't pass well out of a double team.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 15, 2007, 11:47:37 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on March 15, 2007, 11:19:05 AM
Sorry but Jake Baldwin does deserve to be mentioned as an All region performer but not 1st Team!!

Whoa Killer ... you know I gotta call BS on that statement!

Here's my challenge to you ... do a little research on these 15 guys

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/07/southmen.htm

and make your case for 5 that deserve first team more than Baldwin. I'm guessing it's going to be difficult ...

I've given you a head start ... obviously these two don't ... that only leaves you 12 to be concerned with ...

QuoteShouldn't all-region selections shoot the ball and take care of the ball a little better than this?

Sorry, but it just seems like another example of one of my pet peeves ... throw it up there enough, and someone will declare you all-something ...

                                    |- TOTAL-|    |-- 3-PTS -|                    |- REBOUNDS -|     
Player            GP GS MPG  FG FGA Pct    3FG FGA Pct   FT FTA Pct   Off Def Tot Avg   A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg
                     
Hall, Lenny      27 27 33.9 171 449 38.1% 33 125 26.4% 175 210 83.3% 27 85 112 4.1 106 97   1 66 550 20.4
                     
Lawrence        25 24 32.7 163 370 44.1%  0   1 0.0% 104 149 69.8% 115 121 236 9.4   13 65 41 18 430 17.2

The gauntlet has been thrown down!  :o  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 15, 2007, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 15, 2007, 11:45:08 AM

OldLion; I don't see anything wrong with the Lawrence kid's numbers. Yeah, he shot 44% from the post but he got 115 offensive rebounds so he probably put a few misses back in.  Also Jake had 33 ast to 80 to's. Sometimes post players don't pass well out of a double team.


Obviously, he's a good player ... either Piedmont or LaGrange would love to have him.

I'm just saying for an all-region big guy, those #s are terrible! A very good big guy should shoot at least in the 50 to 55% range from the field.

I think the 115 offensive rebounds are a significant point ... and it supports my position. That's a lot ... and the vast majority of them should have resulted in gimme buckets. So if he had 115 possessions right around the bucket off of offensive rebounds alone ... and still only made 163 out of 370 FGs ... well, I disagree with your premise. I see a lot wrong with those #s ... for an all-region big guy.

You make a good point about the TOs ... you have to live with a few from your big guys since they are handling the ball in traffic and getting doubled teamed a lot. A 2.4 to 1 TO to assist ratio is one of the weaker parts of Baldwin's otherwise outstanding overall game. But 5 to 1 for Lawrence ... I see a lot wrong with those #s  ... for an all-region big guy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 16, 2007, 09:14:46 AM
Old Lion I have said this before: Jake is a good player but not great. Great players make "WINNING TEAMS" I don't have the slightest idea on records or stats on guys but I bet you 90% of the guys picked had a winning record or led their team to the NCAA Tournament. I didn't say he didn't deserve being mentioned I just don't think he is 1st Team caliber guy.

Hey its just my opinion :D

1st Team All South guys are guys like Sidney Ellis, Chris Housewright, Josh Tummel, Brent Watts and matt Enen.... JAKE IS NOT IN THAT LEAGUE!!! Good player but not 1st Team material!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 16, 2007, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on March 16, 2007, 09:14:46 AM
Old Lion I have said this before: Jake is a good player but not great. Great players make "WINNING TEAMS" I don't have the slightest idea on records or stats on guys but I bet you 90% of the guys picked had a winning record or led their team to the NCAA Tournament. I didn't say he didn't deserve being mentioned I just don't think he is 1st Team caliber guy.

Hey its just my opinion :D

1st Team All South guys are guys like Sidney Ellis, Chris Housewright, Josh Tummel, Brent Watts and matt Enen.... JAKE IS NOT IN THAT LEAGUE!!! Good player but not 1st Team material!!

Killer, you know I love you ... but, with all due respect, your "logic" just doesn't fly.

Your basic position, as I understand it, is that unless you are on a "top tier team" you are, by underlying assumption, just not enough of "a winner" to be considered on an equal footing with those that are on those "top tier teams".

And that "logic", my friend, if spread judiciously on your garden, will keep things blooming for quite a while.   :D

Hey its just my opinion  :)

To put things in perspective, by your criteria, Maravich at LSU, can't be considered 1st Team material???    :o   :o   :o
LSU qualified for post season (the NIT) only once while Pete was there.


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Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on March 16, 2007, 06:54:09 PM
Im just glad Maryville finally had an SID submit nominations for the all region team.  I would have loved to see some of the Maryville guys on the previous teams, because I thought several deserved it. 

Old Lion:I dont exactly echo Killa's words, but I come from the same basis.  I think that the team you play on, has a direct indication on your stats.  If you put Jake on Maryville, not only would he be a winner, but I see him in the 15 pts a game category and probably 5 rebs.  I also think he would be a better player under Lambert's system. 

By the way, comparing Pete Maravich and Jake Baldwin is like comparing the Hippo to one of Darwins finches.  Nice stats though.  Are you an cpa?

Thats just my two cents.  Doesnt count for much.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 16, 2007, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: ohyeah on March 16, 2007, 06:54:09 PM

By the way, comparing Pete Maravich and Jake Baldwin is like comparing the Hippo to one of Darwins finches.  Nice stats though.  Are you an cpa?

Thats just my two cents.  Doesnt count for much.

That's good ... I hear you.  :D

But I wasn't saying the two players are comparable. I was using an extreme example to try to make it obvious that you can be an outstanding player without being on a "top tier team".

Not a CPA, just a stats geek ... here is a good site where you can find the stats of a lot of the old guys.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maravpe01.html

Your two cents are always welcome.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 19, 2007, 10:01:54 AM
Oh Yea totally agree!! jake baldwin is not 1st Team All Region Material, SORRY!!!!! That is my opinion.

Oh Yea by the way you were absolutely amazing this Sunday. VERY VERY EFFIcient.... can´t say the same for our buddy matt Grubb. We might have to send him down to the D-League..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 19, 2007, 11:56:21 AM
the grubby one will prove his worth, he is 1st team material
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 20, 2007, 11:33:57 AM
congrats to Wes Lambert and the maryville high school basketball team on their first ever state title

Wes is the man
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 20, 2007, 12:06:02 PM
Congrats to WES!! He definitely learned some things from seeing us play .. Especially WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 22, 2007, 04:16:20 PM
what a great game it was.  Wes learned his D from the great Beaty.  A double overtime game to win the state championship.  THAT IS SWEET.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 22, 2007, 08:08:07 PM
After spending that game sitting on press row directly across from Coach lambert's seat in the stands, The big D was as torn up as any other parent. Standing up, crossing arms, sitting back down, and still making his way down to the team as they won.

For my money Wes made two huge plays that will get two ticks on the stat sheet but nowhere near as much recognition as they deserve in a game filled with big plays and big shots. Once he rebounded his own missed 3 and tossed back out to Jordan Damron who hit a late trey. The second time he came all the way cross court to outhustle the defense in overtime for a long rebound on Damron's miss in first OT. Gave the ball right back to to Damron who swished the second try to put Maryville up two. He was on the best shooter and held him to just about his avaerage even with an extra 8 minutes for the guy to score in -- never let him get comfortable or on track. Not sure exactly how many but most of the guys points wcame when Wes was out for a breather.

But way to go Rebels. Even if I had to drive to MTSU unexpectedly for the game Saturday, it was definitly worth it.

ALSO in the class A title game, Tennesee Temple out of Chatt. had a couple players that looked good and most likely have the grades to go D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 29, 2007, 09:08:24 PM
Maryville took a big step back toward filling those BB holes left by graduation and end of eligibility today by getting a 6-foot-7 post out of Georgia. Don't think its a coincidence that Lambert was in georgia with the final four in DI starting this weekend.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1900
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on March 30, 2007, 06:31:40 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on March 16, 2007, 06:54:09 PM
Im just glad Maryville finally had an SID submit nominations for the all region team.  I would have loved to see some of the Maryville guys on the previous teams, because I thought several deserved it. 

Old Lion:I dont exactly echo Killa's words, but I come from the same basis.  I think that the team you play on, has a direct indication on your stats.  If you put Jake on Maryville, not only would he be a winner, but I see him in the 15 pts a game category and probably 5 rebs.  I also think he would be a better player under Lambert's system. 

By the way, comparing Pete Maravich and Jake Baldwin is like comparing the Hippo to one of Darwins finches.  Nice stats though.  Are you an cpa?

Thats just my two cents.  Doesnt count for much.

      Yeah....since they took baseball away from Etch  >:( and made him full time SID, he has more time for doing SID things.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on March 30, 2007, 06:36:03 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 20, 2007, 11:33:57 AM
congrats to Wes Lambert and the maryville high school basketball team on their first ever state title

Wes is the man

     Guess the Reb hoopsters finally got tired of hearing about the football team!!  ;D Lambert.....Lambert.....huh...where have I heard that name before?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 30, 2007, 11:44:56 PM
Spaking of baseball : With the Diamond Scots on a roll and breaking into regional rankings after sweeping LaGrange don't ya think its about time the baseball board gets some conversation? Its getting a bit lonesome over there.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 31, 2007, 11:17:27 PM
Lee Humphrey is the man!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 02, 2007, 02:33:24 PM
Lee Humphrey beat Bobby Hurley's record of 42 made 3 pointers in an NCAA tournament career and Lee is an accomplished veteran of many pick up games at Boydson Baird Gymnasium.

And congrats to another maryville native Cait McMahan, daughter of maryville college football alum Earl McMahan, on her appearance with the lady vols in the title game tomorrow night.  She is another veteran of pick up bball at Boydson Baird.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 02, 2007, 03:07:43 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 02, 2007, 02:33:24 PM
Lee Humphrey beat Bobby Hurley's record of 42 made 3 pointers in an NCAA tournament career and Lee is an accomplished veteran of many pick up games at Boydson Baird Gymnasium.

And congrats to another maryville native Cait McMahan, daughter of maryville college football alum Earl McMahan, on her appearance with the lady vols in the title game tomorrow night.  She is another veteran of pick up bball at Boydson Baird.

      So how did Humphrey get away from the Vols? Very kool on Cait.  8) Is Earl still at Heritage?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 02, 2007, 06:23:09 PM
the main reason i see that Lee got away from UT is it was either him or bradshaw who was from powerhous White Station from Memphis.  Buzz was probably thinking of his next recruit and if it would come from Maryville or Memphis.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 02, 2007, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on April 02, 2007, 06:23:09 PM
the main reason i see that Lee got away from UT is it was either him or bradshaw who was from powerhous White Station from Memphis.  Buzz was probably thinking of his next recruit and if it would come from Maryville or Memphis.

     What?!!!.... you mean Murvall/Blount Co/Alcoa isn't a hoops hotbed for D1 talent.  :D I used to see some pretty good game at the Alcoa Rec. center back in the day before they tore it down.  Ok....maybe Memphis has a smidge more.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 02, 2007, 11:51:03 PM
Humphrey is the man!

And Florida is an outstanding "team". Like Donovan said, maybe not the most talented bunch ever ... but outstanding team play.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2007, 12:49:59 AM
I love seeing Ohio State getting beaten!  Chomp, chomp!

Thanks to the Gators for some beautiful team basketball!  Hitting the open man!  Hitting your Ft's!  Solid defense with very few defensive miscues for this caibre of play!

But they mis-pronounced "Murvul" all night long!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 03, 2007, 09:45:06 AM
seriously, it is M-u-r-v-u-l   Murvul, TN

Lee was fortunate to get away from UT, he had the ultimate college basketball experience
It is just proof that good things happen to good people

To all who wish to attend:  April 12 at 4 the college is hosting a reception for Randy lambert's 500th victory
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2007, 07:01:08 PM
Sorry, Matt!

You know, livin' in Dallas, with all of these Yankees who talk so fast, just rubs off on you.  Kinda makes you rush your own speech.

M-u-r-v-u-l!
:)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 04, 2007, 06:37:06 PM
The Lady Vols join the Gators in demonstrating the importance of team ball (and defense and rebounding).  Kinda like D3 ball at its best.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on April 04, 2007, 08:38:35 PM
More post season honors for Golden. Congrats Bobby.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1911
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 05, 2007, 04:43:21 PM
Favorite question time:
Do you think the lady vols could beat the maryville men's team?
I love that question
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 05, 2007, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 05, 2007, 04:43:21 PM
Favorite question time:
Do you think the lady vols could beat the maryville men's team?
I love that question

       Huh.....that could be a heck of a game!!  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2007, 10:07:41 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on April 05, 2007, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 05, 2007, 04:43:21 PM
Favorite question time:
Do you think the lady vols could beat the maryville men's team?
I love that question

       Huh.....that could be a heck of a game!!  8)
How physical will the calibre of play be?

Check out James Naismith's original Rule No. 5 (http://www.kusports.com/news/mens_basketball/story/105191).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 05, 2007, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 05, 2007, 04:43:21 PM
Favorite question time:
Do you think the lady vols could beat the maryville men's team?
I love that question

That wasn't a serious question, was it Matt?

Even though a very good women's college team would certainly be more skilled ... they simply wouldn't be strong enough, quick enough, fast enough, or big enough to hang with a good men's high school team.

I've seen Maya Moore (the best female high school player in the country)  playing pick up ball, on several occasions, with a bunch of guys you've never heard off. She was the best player on the floor ... but surprisingly, not by that much.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 06, 2007, 06:57:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2007, 10:07:41 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on April 05, 2007, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 05, 2007, 04:43:21 PM
Favorite question time:
Do you think the lady vols could beat the maryville men's team?
I love that question

       Huh.....that could be a heck of a game!!  8)
How physical will the calibre of play be?

Check out James Naismith's original Rule No. 5 (http://www.kusports.com/news/mens_basketball/story/105191).

     Good point Ralph.....not sure the Scots can match up to all those physical girls.  ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 06, 2007, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: old_lion on April 05, 2007, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 05, 2007, 04:43:21 PM
Favorite question time:
Do you think the lady vols could beat the maryville men's team?
I love that question

That wasn't a serious question, was it Matt?

Even though a very good women's college team would certainly be more skilled ... they simply wouldn't be strong enough, quick enough, fast enough, or big enough to hang with a good men's high school team.

I've seen Maya Moore (the best female high school player in the country)  playing pick up ball, on several occasions, with a bunch of guys you've never heard off. She was the best player on the floor ... but surprisingly, not by that much.

     My dad saw her play recently in the state champ. game. Said she was pretty darn tough.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 06, 2007, 08:49:31 AM
actually that was a joke and the answer is a 50 point blow out by the scots
there is now way
who would match up with 6'8" and 280 and pounds of bobby golden
to even think a girls team could compare is crazy
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 06, 2007, 11:01:08 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 06, 2007, 08:49:31 AM
actually that was a joke ...

Good ... my faith in your basketball acumen is restored.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 06, 2007, 04:32:13 PM
I am not joking about this
For the GSAC's eight years of existence, this is the 3rd year they have had an all american and actually the fourth if you count Josh Tummel's 3rd team all america, pretty darn good, which Bobby's is a 3rd team all america and Sydney's 2 all americas
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 12, 2007, 11:13:04 AM
Scot nation will be celebrating Coach Lambert's 500th win today!! Matt Grubb aka "Compadre con queso" will host the after party!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2007, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 06, 2007, 08:49:31 AM
actually that was a joke and the answer is a 50 point blow out by the scots
there is now way
who would match up with 6'8" and 280 and pounds of bobby golden
to even think a girls team could compare is crazy

...which is precisely why I mentioned that.

When a defender has a position, any physical play would knock the defender out of position and be called a foul.  Bobby would have to move to his spot, avoid the 3 sec rule and pass the ball more effectively than under the 2007 rules.

I don't doubt that he could do it.  I just think that that style of play requires more mental contribution and concentration.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 12, 2007, 01:05:13 PM
what about the ASC's complaint, sounds legit to me
also the golden dome is a great place to hold a little 4 team tournament, possibly a sectional
Is money that tight for the NCAA?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 12, 2007, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 12, 2007, 01:05:13 PM
also the golden dome is a great place to hold a little 4 team tournament

Is the GSAC planning on holding their men's tourney at the Golden Dome next season?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on April 12, 2007, 09:12:05 PM
Quote from: wilburt on April 12, 2007, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 12, 2007, 01:05:13 PM
also the golden dome is a great place to hold a little 4 team tournament

Is the GSAC planning on holding their men's tourney at the Golden Dome next season?

That was pretty amusing.  I actually enjoyed that one Mr. Burton.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 13, 2007, 07:16:07 AM
Compliments are always appreciated...   Thanks ohyeah.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 13, 2007, 11:58:12 AM
Here is a link to the Daily Times' story about Coaches Schram and Lambert and the 500 win celebration at Murvul:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070413/SPORTS/704130328

Wilburt:  Good to know you have not lost a step during your absence.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 16, 2007, 12:20:40 PM
Coach lambert is the man
All of you fighting scots, get your names in for the alumni game for 2007
My team has made some key additions, not going to name any names, but we have to have something to counter the one man attack that is chris housewright.  We may have picked up an all american, possibly, or an NBA prospect, so get ready and get your wallets out
Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 17, 2007, 10:02:55 AM
This message is for Matt Grubb PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We beat you by 20!!!!
We got to get the ball rolling with this alumni game. Sidney, Monte, Bobby, Bradley, K-Rich, Matt Enen, Paul Reed, and Dee Bell are free agents!!

Being the president of basketball operation for my team we will probably sign a couple of these guys and still have some space to re-new Chris Housewright´s contract..

On a serious note if you are interested in playing, coaching, or just being a contributor to the game please feel free to contact myself or Matt Grubb

ONLY for Fighting Scots players....
I will trade you Chris for Josh Tummy?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 17, 2007, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on April 17, 2007, 10:02:55 AM
This message is for Matt Grubb PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We beat you by 20!!!!
We got to get the ball rolling with this alumni game. Sidney, Monte, Bobby, Bradley, K-Rich, Matt Enen, Paul Reed, and Dee Bell are free agents!!

Being the president of basketball operation for my team we will probably sign a couple of these guys and still have some space to re-new Chris Housewright´s contract..

On a serious note if you are interested in playing, coaching, or just being a contributor to the game please feel free to contact myself or Matt Grubb

ONLY for Fighting Scots players....
I will trade you Chris for Josh Tummy?

     Are former Fighting Scot baseball and football players eligible?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 18, 2007, 09:18:00 AM
Money talks!  We are shameless.
The killer and I have big plans for this years alumni game.
last years provided new warm up shirts and new uniforms for the team.
This years goals for the alumni game have yet to be revealed
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 18, 2007, 07:49:25 PM
I have good news about recruiting for the scots.  They have bagged a kid that Randy said "will be better than Sidney."  If this prophesy holds true, it could be good times for the scots guards.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 19, 2007, 08:51:23 AM
that is a bold statement
Beaty are you in for the alumni game this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 19, 2007, 10:16:18 PM
you know it... BALLIN'
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 20, 2007, 09:46:53 AM
the killer does not know it, but THE GRUBBY ONE is putting together a super squad for this years game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 20, 2007, 12:17:46 PM
A big shout out for my Boy D Large!!! Doing it big in soccer.. Congrats on the article my friend.. If D Large wants to win the alumni game he knows what team to be on..

Killas Team so far:
Sidney Ellis
Monte Calloway
Chris Housewright
Jeff McCord
Paul Reed
Walden Buttram
Josh Tummel
Dee Bell
TR ( he wants to play for a winner!)
  DO I NEED TO SAY MORE... YOU HAVE NO CHANCE !! OH BY THE WAY I HAVE TWO CELEBRITIES IN D LARGE AND WES "DOWNTOWN" LAMBERT ON THE SQUAD FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 20, 2007, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on April 20, 2007, 12:17:46 PM
A big shout out for my Boy D Large!!! Doing it big in soccer.. Congrats on the article my friend.. If D Large wants to win the alumni game he knows what team to be on..

Killas Team so far:
Sidney Ellis
Monte Calloway
Chris Housewright
Jeff McCord
Paul Reed
Walden Buttram
Josh Tummel
Dee Bell
TR ( he wants to play for a winner!)
  DO I NEED TO SAY MORE... YOU HAVE NO CHANCE !! OH BY THE WAY I HAVE TWO CELEBRITIES IN D LARGE AND WES "DOWNTOWN" LAMBERT ON THE SQUAD FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS...

     Would that be TR .... as in the world famous TR Robinson?  I hope so cuz you need at least one old fart in the game. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 20, 2007, 04:33:16 PM
I just talked to D Large and he said he would be more than happy to fill up the nets and dish the rock for GSAC's team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 22, 2007, 04:50:49 PM
Y'all Scot alums might want to figure out how to get your "fans" to pay to see this...a hundred of us at $5 each gets some more $$$ for the Scots program....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 23, 2007, 10:06:46 AM
ScottieDoug it would be a great idea! Watts and I have discussed the possibility of having the game before an actual Scot Home game. We would actually play serious and try to raise as much money as possible for the school.

A little something to give back is never a bad thing. Will see what happens!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 23, 2007, 10:29:48 AM
that DLarge guy has already been assigned to a team that includes
Josh Tummel
matt ennen
Kelvin Richardson
bobby Golden
Greg Gheen
and
Wesley Lambert

That is a real squad Killa
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 23, 2007, 12:24:20 PM
Incorrect my friend!! I have lots of cap room to sign those key free agents in KRich and Bobby Golden. We need to sit down in the summer and discuss teams. We need the ball to start rolling once the next school year starts!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 23, 2007, 02:16:14 PM
Killer:  If y'all play before a regular game, how can you generate extra money from folks who watch?  You'd have to clear the gym somehow so I'd have to pay twice....I'm sure this can be figured out!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 23, 2007, 04:58:38 PM
too late my friend
my newly acquired players will be in the paper soon enough
Maybe you need to check out Stephen A smith's rumor mill about player transactions

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 24, 2007, 10:31:02 AM
You can have KRich, Matt and Bobby!!! I have just added Sidney, Montay, and Dee Bell...

I think its better if we have a draft!! TOO MUCH TALENT ON MY SIDE!!!

Will have the best broadcaster in the business "DeBaby" serve as the commisioner..

The Chris Housewright and Killer combo was unstoppable.. I think I broke my school record of 17 assists in the first HALF!!! My squad is going back to back ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 25, 2007, 02:22:25 PM
you can have DeBaby
I got Campbell and Seymour
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 27, 2007, 11:38:44 AM
Huntingdon should look at kendall wallace, he is a real fighting scot
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on April 27, 2007, 12:13:08 PM
I think Raul Placeres would be good fit to take over at Huntingdon.  He already has a great relationship with some of the alumni.  Seriously, Duckworth did a great job over there and we will miss him in the GSAC.  I publicly wish him the very best.  The Panthers have 4 commitments at this point with about 7 to go.  We have all heard the phrase "rather be lucky than good" well we may get lucky on a couple kids that just kind of fell in our laps.  Those never hurt!  What would be a great fundraiser would be the GSAC year alumni of Maryville versus LaGrange.  We will play it at Thompson-Bolling this year and the Georgia Dome next year.  I am only the idea man somebody take this and run with it!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 27, 2007, 12:22:21 PM
That would be a great job for the Master of Disciplne and Defense (Coach Wallace). The combination of Allen White and myself would be great too!! ;) ::)

On a serious note that Alumni game would end up like any other LC -Scot match-up BLOW OUT!!!!!  ;) :DJust kidding..

Its a thought.. Good luck with recruiting Coach Haynes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 27, 2007, 10:24:51 PM
you all better get K-rich.  He has been balling it up at Sandy Springs Park...big time
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2007, 11:34:59 PM
Congratulations to Coach Duckworth on the move to an AD's position.  You will be a valuable addition to Maryville MO.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 28, 2007, 11:22:58 AM
i have been looking at a list of unheralded alums that the killer has overlooked which should guarantee victory for my squad:
1. Dr. Tim Leroy-anyone that played with Tim knows his biggest asset
2. Ben Jackson for reasons to numerous to mention
3. Paul Reed b/c he is a better person than the killer
4 David McGreal b/c he is a better person than the killer
5. And the grandfather of MC Bball alums, i have a soft commitment from Randy Himself to play for my team
Killer, it happens, you will be beaten by a better man this year, b/c my team will be full of better alums
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 28, 2007, 10:54:18 PM
Ok I got some big news from the MC campus.  first the good news...JJ is back and he is balling it up, but the bad news is there is no more Bo Mason.  He was asked to leave by coach Lambert.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 30, 2007, 11:07:58 AM
Grubb your crazy!!! By the way you come at me this way again, as a matter of fact if your so tough meet in front of the library 3:45pm!! I am testing your marbles!1 You won´t show up....

I really hope we can generate much more money that we did last year. It would be great if we could get all these guys to play.. As for the BOBO rumor!! WOW!!! Shocker... Didn´t know it happen. I did know JJ was coming back..

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on April 30, 2007, 04:59:39 PM
Rumor says class attendance issues was the root of the problem but no word on if the door is closed or if there is a window where he can prove himself acedmically and be reinstated to the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 01, 2007, 10:48:56 AM
I got a feeling he will be back but he must be willing to do more off the court.. Coach wants all his players to receive that degree and do something with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 01, 2007, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 01, 2007, 10:48:56 AM
I got a feeling he will be back but he must be willing to do more off the court.. Coach wants all his players to receive that degree and do something with it.

Even though I have no specific knowledge of the situation, I tend to agree with Killer.

I find it difficult to believe that a key guy would spend three years in a top flight program, such as Murvul, only to "disappear" prior to his senior season.

I guess we'll see ...

Of course, there is always the possibility that Coach Lambert and Bo staged the whole thing as a publicity stunt. Maybe they'd grown tired of reading about possible roster changes in the Murvul alumni game ...  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on May 01, 2007, 12:37:38 PM
Quote from: old_lion on May 01, 2007, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 01, 2007, 10:48:56 AM
I got a feeling he will be back but he must be willing to do more off the court.. Coach wants all his players to receive that degree and do something with it.

Even though I have no specific knowledge of the situation, I tend to agree with Killer.

I find it difficult to believe that a key guy would spend three years in a top flight program, such as Murvul, only to "disappear" prior to his senior season.

I guess we'll see ...

Of course, there is always the possibility that Coach Lambert and Bo staged the whole thing as a publicity stunt. Maybe they'd grown tired of reading about possible roster changes in the Murvul alumni game ...  :D

    Or perhaps Randy has a stud recruit at Bo's position and just needs a little extra leverage in making him a Scot.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 01, 2007, 04:50:48 PM
or Maybe Randy runs a true D3 program with STUDENT/athletes.  you know it is tough to qualify for the alumni game without a degree

Speaking of alumni (people with degrees) Teaun winton has been added to my roster, sorry killer, he was the best pg in his graduating class and it was HIS graduating class
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on May 01, 2007, 06:46:36 PM
The kid from kennesaw Mtn, Ga. was in Lambert's words last weekend, "One of the top five kids I've ever had commit. he may have had just an abobe average workout when he was here, but from what I saw he may be the biggest miss of DI this season"
But I don't think he's a point.

For the MC alumni game: What about prior to the last home football game? People come out, its late in the year and would be one great way to remind everyone bball is starting up. If we can get an RL stamp of approval might be able to get Daily Times to run a few sponsorship adds and print a program.
Just an idea but if you're going to shoot, shoot for the moon.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 02, 2007, 10:52:28 AM
So Batteredbard, when will "the press" enlighten us unwashed as to who the recruits are, including the one to whom you refer?

And y'all posters from elsewhere, what's up with recruits?

And Killer et al, does graduating from the junior class at Murvul Hi qualify Wesley as an alum of the junior class at Murvul Hi? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 02, 2007, 11:16:08 AM
Look at the correlation between Wes's age and Randy's success.  Before wes was born, hit or miss, 1 odac championship.
Wes is born and then the whole early 90's thing started happening for Randy.  couple of NCAA tourneys and an elite 8, KRich comes to murvul, etc. etc.
1999-Wes begins to blossom into the man he will become and starts advising his esteemed father and the streak begins
Now that Wes is masterminding this whole operation and he has committed to Murvul, things are going to happen
Randy will see his biggest successes yet when young wes sets foot on campus, just wait you all  will see

Spencer Beaty can back up my conspiracy theory on this one, all you have to do is see how they interact and you can see where Randy gets all his great ideas, from the wes man

so yeah, Wes can play in the alumni game, Actually it is pretty much the maryville college alumni bball game presented by Wes Lambert
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 02, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 02, 2007, 11:16:08 AM
Look at the correlation between Wes's age and Randy's success.  Before wes was born, hit or miss, 1 odac championship.
Wes is born and then the whole early 90's thing started happening for Randy.  couple of NCAA tourneys and an elite 8, KRich comes to murvul, etc. etc.
1999-Wes begins to blossom into the man he will become and starts advising his esteemed father and the streak begins
Now that Wes is masterminding this whole operation and he has committed to Murvul, things are going to happen
Randy will see his biggest successes yet when young wes sets foot on campus, just wait you all  will see

Spencer Beaty can back up my conspiracy theory on this one, all you have to do is see how they interact and you can see where Randy gets all his great ideas, from the wes man

so yeah, Wes can play in the alumni game, Actually it is pretty much the maryville college alumni bball game presented by Wes Lambert

Can a brother get a period?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on May 02, 2007, 04:01:34 PM
"... he may of just had an above workout when he was here, but from what I saw..."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal to be holding workouts with recruits, or even watching them play in any way when they are on campus?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on May 02, 2007, 06:58:59 PM
I think he was referring to a pick up game the kid got involved with on his own. And honestly, the lambert may have been talking smack just because of who was there and how gullible I am at times.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2007, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on May 02, 2007, 06:58:59 PM
I think he was referring to a pick up game the kid got involved with on his own. And honestly, the lambert may have been talking smack just because of who was there and how gullible I am at times.

That's okay.  I am sure that someone is forwarding your post to the NCAA enforcement branch!   ;D :D ;D :o ;) 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 02, 2007, 11:07:54 PM
It is not illegal for prospective recruits to play ball with current players and for those players to report to coaches on how it went.  How else can a recruit judge how he/she fits/stacks up before deciding where to play? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2007, 11:17:30 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 02, 2007, 11:07:54 PM
It is not illegal for prospective recruits to play ball with current players and for those players to report to coaches on how it went.  How else can a recruit judge how he/she fits/stacks up before deciding where to play? 

Thanks, scottie!  Just some bored off-season ramblings... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on May 03, 2007, 04:27:06 AM
Quote from: ohyeah on May 02, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 02, 2007, 11:16:08 AM
Look at the correlation between Wes's age and Randy's success.  Before wes was born, hit or miss, 1 odac championship.
Wes is born and then the whole early 90's thing started happening for Randy.  couple of NCAA tourneys and an elite 8, KRich comes to murvul, etc. etc.
1999-Wes begins to blossom into the man he will become and starts advising his esteemed father and the streak begins
Now that Wes is masterminding this whole operation and he has committed to Murvul, things are going to happen
Randy will see his biggest successes yet when young wes sets foot on campus, just wait you all  will see

Spencer Beaty can back up my conspiracy theory on this one, all you have to do is see how they interact and you can see where Randy gets all his great ideas, from the wes man

so yeah, Wes can play in the alumni game, Actually it is pretty much the maryville college alumni bball game presented by Wes Lambert

Can a brother get a period?

     Now that's funny right there!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 03, 2007, 08:07:08 AM
Insert Quote 
It is not illegal for prospective recruits to play ball with current players and for those players to report to coaches on how it went.  How else can a recruit judge how he/she fits/stacks up before deciding where to play? 
 

Partly correct: It is not illegal for recruits to play in an open gym setting while on a campus visit.  It would however be illegal if a decision was made on the acceptance of that young man into a program on the basis of how a representative of that institution said he played on his campus visit.  I don't really care.  I just wanted to clarify.  I can remember the good old days of being an assistant at the NAIA level.  I was running drills for recruits and playing pick up with the whole team.  I used to be in much better shape in those days.  Now there is no competition for me in LaGrange.  Simply because my level of competition has slipped below the pee wee league level. 

Two more horses in the stable or should I say Panthers in the zoo??  This class is shaping up into a solid group that could really solidify a top four spot in the conference!

BTW: Ralph you have been penalized 1 brownie point for excessive use of smiley face icon thingies. :o  You used six on one post.  That is almost enough for them to form a tribe of their own and eat their own young. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2007, 08:27:25 AM
Good morning, coachwgh!

There is only one explanation, and many readers of these boards will understand completely.  It is the sheer joy and Peace that comes from the chance to live each and everyday in my Lord. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2007, 08:44:59 AM
I second that emotion :) Dr. Ralph.

Also, in answer to a question that you have previously asked Dr. Ralph.  From my sources, I am 90% certain Fisk will make a move to D2 and rejoin the SIAC.  The timetable for the move is uncertain.  There has to Board approval, NCAA reclassification etc. etc.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 03, 2007, 09:03:19 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on May 03, 2007, 08:07:08 AM
Insert Quote 
It is not illegal for prospective recruits to play ball with current players and for those players to report to coaches on how it went.  How else can a recruit judge how he/she fits/stacks up before deciding where to play? 
 

Partly correct: It is not illegal for recruits to play in an open gym setting while on a campus visit.  It would however be illegal if a decision was made on the acceptance of that young man into a program on the basis of how a representative of that institution said he played on his campus visit.  I don't really care.  I just wanted to clarify.  I can remember the good old days of being an assistant at the NAIA level.  I was running drills for recruits and playing pick up with the whole team.  I used to be in much better shape in those days.  Now there is no competition for me in LaGrange.  Simply because my level of competition has slipped below the pee wee league level. 

Two more horses in the stable or should I say Panthers in the zoo??  This class is shaping up into a solid group that could really solidify a top four spot in the conference!
BTW: Ralph you have been penalized 1 brownie point for excessive use of smiley face icon thingies. :o  You used six on one post.  That is almost enough for them to form a tribe of their own and eat their own young. 

(1) I appreciate the clarification ... and I'm sure you are just quoting the rule. But, with all due respect to the NCAA (which when it comes to this sort of thing, is not much) that phraseology just sounds like pure, unadulterated BS.

(2) You feel like you've got a lock on a top four finish, huh? I always appreciate a sense of humor  ... How about a synopsis of that recruiting class ... names, positions, sizes, etc.? Inquiring minds want to know ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 03, 2007, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2007, 08:27:25 AM
Good morning, coachwgh!

There is only one explanation, and many readers of these boards will understand completely.  It is the sheer joy and Peace that comes from the chance to live each and everyday in my Lord. :)

Ralph,

I am aware of religious fervor being blamed/given credit for a lot of things throughout history ... including, but not limited to ... The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, the founding of America, Northern Ireland, Bosnia, 911, and that Clusterf*&k that is the Middle East.

But excessive use of smiley face icon thingies??? Just when you thought you'd heard it all ...  :o

But whatever ... At least the good news is, in this country, you won't be beheaded on the internet for expressing your opinion. Not yet, anyway ...

No disrespect intended, Ralph ... just some observations. Or, as you said, just some bored off-season ramblings...  ;)



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on May 03, 2007, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: wilburt on May 03, 2007, 08:44:59 AM
I second that emotion :) Dr. Ralph.

Also, in answer to a question that you have previously asked Dr. Ralph.  From my sources, I am 90% certain Fisk will make a move to D2 and rejoin the SIAC.  The timetable for the move is uncertain.  There has to Board approval, NCAA reclassification etc. etc.   

Wilburt,

I am just not as knowledgable about the move to d2 as others, but where will the money come from for the scholarships.  I know that was part of the reason they left the GSAC was b/c their budget was much lower then everyone elses.  I am just wondering, not bashing Fisk, just trying to get educated on the matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2007, 01:37:55 PM
Valid questions, oh yeah.

My responses:

1. It doesn't take as much money as you may think from the school's operating budget.  You just have to be a little creative and think outside of the box with the financing. 

2. Stillman did the same thing when they left the D3 GSAC to join the D2 SIAC.  Fisk will be basically (I imagine) following their model - except for adding football.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 03, 2007, 02:05:54 PM
Also, for you oldtimers out there.  Do any of you remember the Old WIAC?  It was the athletic conference for women's sports during the 1980s and possibly early 1990s.  They disbanded sometime in the 1990s.  Does anyone have records (or know where to obtain) for the all-conference teams and the conference team champions?

I believe the schools that were members of the WIAC were - Fisk, Maryville, Berea, Sewanee and Rhodes.  There may have been others.  I don't know.   Anybody got any information out there?     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 03, 2007, 04:47:54 PM
Since I may have opened this jar, I want to reiterate what I wrote, which was:
It is not illegal for prospective recruits to play ball with current players and for those players to report to coaches on how it went.  How else can a recruit judge how he/she fits/stacks up before deciding where to play?   

Coach WGH replied:
Partly correct: It is not illegal for recruits to play in an open gym setting while on a campus visit.  It would however be illegal if a decision was made on the acceptance of that young man into a program on the basis of how a representative of that institution said he played on his campus visit.

I am not sure about the "partly" part. My point was that such open gym games help the recruit decide where to go, not that the institution (Murvul in the case at hand) would accept or reject a player into the program based on open gym. 

I do not know what homeland security enforcers are trolling this discussion but it is my understanding that the way RDL runs his program is as I suggested.

Old-Lion says in response to Ralph's explanation of excessive smileythingys:
But whatever ... At least the good news is, in this country, you won't be beheaded on the internet for expressing your opinion. Not yet, anyway ...

I agree about the beheading part but suggest that any person wanting to be elected to anything in this country cannot openly offer a view fundamentally at odds with Ralph's and not be called at best UnAmerican.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 03, 2007, 05:03:09 PM
Murvul recruiting news:
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1967
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 03, 2007, 06:52:32 PM
Just to clarify I don't care and I am not accusing anyone of anything.  I am not trying to get in anybody's gym 'cause I don't want them in mine. 

Have a great weekend! 

"If you see me on a golf course stay to the left and you should be safe."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 03, 2007, 06:54:03 PM
BTW: Happy Cinco De Mayo!!

AND: I heard Billy Donovan had a phone interview today with Huntingdon.....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 04, 2007, 08:59:45 AM
His was right after Dale Lomax's phone interview
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 07, 2007, 10:07:30 AM
I heard Tom Robinson was making a comeback in coaching and has applied for the Huntingdon position..

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: old_lion on May 03, 2007, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2007, 08:27:25 AM
Good morning, coachwgh!

There is only one explanation, and many readers of these boards will understand completely.  It is the sheer joy and Peace that comes from the chance to live each and everyday in my Lord. :)
Ralph,

I am aware of religious fervor being blamed/given credit for a lot of things throughout history ... including, but not limited to ... The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, the founding of America, Northern Ireland, Bosnia, 911, and that Clusterf*&k that is the Middle East.

But excessive use of smiley face icon thingies??? Just when you thought you'd heard it all ...  :o

But whatever ... At least the good news is, in this country, you won't be beheaded on the internet for expressing your opinion. Not yet, anyway ...

No disrespect intended, Ralph ... just some observations. Or, as you said, just some bored off-season ramblings...  ;)
:D
Have a good week,  old lion!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on May 07, 2007, 10:32:02 AM
wilburt:

I think FISK going back to the SIAC will be GREAT for the Bulldogs.  The fact that Lincoln is rejoining the CIAA is already paying dividends.  rejoining Morehouse and the other schools should also help rejuvenate the Alums.  

I was at Lincoln's 148th commencement yesteday, to see Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr, pastor of the 8,000 member Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago (a personal friend) and to hear Dr. Ben Carson , Head of Johns Hopkins Neurosurgury department deliver the keynote address.  The weather was great and there were 10,000 people on hand.  I saw where Lincoln's new Football stadium is being built (separate from the current Track & Field/Soccer venue).  Additionally, the Lions will be building a larger Athletic complex and leave the current 2,500 seat Manual Rivero Hall for other sports, (ie Volleyball, and intermural sports).  A new Natural Science Building is going up, and modifications for three exisitng building are in process.  Enrollment at Lincoln is currently 2,600 including grad. students, and the school received 6,000 undergraduate applications for the incoming freshman class.  The university also had a Fulbright scholar in this year's graduating class.  My wife and were invited to our president's reception following the graduation ceremonies.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 03, 2007, 04:47:54 PM
...
I agree about the beheading part but suggest that any person wanting to be elected to anything in this country cannot openly offer a view fundamentally at odds with Ralph's and not be called at best UnAmerican.
Just for fun, google "New Paltz, New York Politics" some time and see the links that show up. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 07, 2007, 12:43:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 10:22:18 AM
:D
Have a good week,  old lion!  :)

Same to you, Ralph.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 07, 2007, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on May 01, 2007, 06:46:36 PM
The kid from kennesaw Mtn, Ga. was in Lambert's words last weekend, "One of the top five kids I've ever had commit. he may have had just an abobe average workout when he was here, but from what I saw he may be the biggest miss of DI this season"
But I don't think he's a point.

A few questions ...

1) Who are we talking about?

2) If he has committed, why is he not listed here?
    http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news.asp?sportNameID=5

3) Why is Murvul the only D3 school in the area that announces committments on their website?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 07, 2007, 03:13:18 PM
njlincolnlion:

You are absolutely correct. Alumni are excited about the possibility of renewing old rivalries with SIAC schools such as Tuskegee, Morehouse, Miles and Stillman.  Although a timetable has yet to be announced, it is in the works...

Old Lion:

Quote-
3) Why is Murvul the only D3 school in the area that announces committments on their website?

Perhaps the answer is that about one out of every three incoming freshman was/is a recruited student-athlete at Maryville? Just a guess...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 07, 2007, 03:28:30 PM
that is probably correct, Coach Lambert is a very active recruiter b/c i would think there are a lot more reasons you could lose a good player at the D3 level that you would not lose at the scholarship level and the last time i checked there were about 30000 reasons a year.  Money can be a big factor.  But if there are no limits on the number of players you can bring in, why not bring in as many as you can and let the cream rise to the top

Wilburt:
I hope Fisk can go through many of the changes Stillman did when it made the jump.  I have only seen photos of their athletic facilities since the change, but they look totally different than the facilities i used to SHINE in.  (shine is how i would describe my own performances)  I know Stillman won the SIAC tournament, I believe last year which is a big event in Bham.  i wish them luck b/c i know that is a tough league.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 07, 2007, 03:55:02 PM
The down side to announcing like Maryville is that D2/NAIA schools can swoop in and potentially steal your recruits.  That's why some D3 schools don't announce their "signings/commitments".

FYI, only about 9% to 10% of the Fisk  student body play intercollegiate sports in any given year.     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 07, 2007, 05:53:39 PM
sounds like they need more sports
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 08, 2007, 08:02:10 AM
Hey wilburt glad to have you back.  How would the jump to D2 affect your other sports?  I know you would get better players but all other sports have struggled mightily in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 08, 2007, 08:14:31 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 07, 2007, 05:53:39 PM
sounds like they need more sports

Here we go again.  Just maybe your alma mater may need to offer more academic programs to get more non-athletes. Just a thought... :D

Quote from Spencer Beaty:

How would the jump to D2 affect your other sports? I know you would get better players but all other sports have struggled mightily in D3.

Your question does not make any sense to me. Logically if you get better players (as you state), then how could you struggle in D2? Fisk didn't struggle before in the SIAC and neither is Stillman currently struggling in the SIAC. So what are you really talking about? Please explain...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 08, 2007, 09:09:49 AM
he is addressing the fact that your women's sports including softball, volleyball, and basketball used to lose to maryville by large numbers, as well as other gsac schools

he is addressing the men's sports such as baseball and soccer which were double digit blowouts in most of their contests, not in their favor

and another question, does Fisk's baseball field have a fence in the outfield yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 08, 2007, 09:19:34 AM
I spoke to a very important "birdie" yesterday and said this years recruiting class although not full of post players is full of athletes..

The rumor about the kid from GA being that good is true. Better than Sid as a freshman --- Good Luck GSAC!!----

I wish Fisk and my main man Wilburt the best!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 08, 2007, 11:32:37 AM
Hi Wilburt!

Is there any particular reason why you seem to think that athletes at Murvul really are not students? 

I hope the move is good for Fisk, like Lincoln, which is a very important institution.

How are women sports programs generally in the SIAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 08, 2007, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 08, 2007, 11:32:37 AM
Hi Wilburt!

Is there any particular reason why you seem to think that athletes at Murvul really are not students? 


Yea Doug, Matt Grubb aka Brent Watts is my Exhibit A!  He has not improved his reading comprehension since our last tangle...

Also, Matt Grubb let Mr. Beaty speak for himself.  We were having an intelligent discussion going until you interrupted. Unless you two are doing  some type of ventriliquist act.  I don't know who is the wooden brained dummy between the two :D    Hint/Clue I don't think it's Beaty...

Otherwise, thanks GSAC Killer and Doug for your kind remarks.  Brent tends to say some stupid things from time to time that need commenting on... 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 08, 2007, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 08, 2007, 09:09:49 AM
he is addressing the fact that your women's sports including softball, volleyball, and basketball used to lose to maryville by large numbers, as well as other gsac schools

he is addressing the men's sports such as baseball and soccer which were double digit blowouts in most of their contests, not in their favor

and another question, does Fisk's baseball field have a fence in the outfield yet?

LET IT GO BRENT.  FISK IS NO LONGER PART OF THE GSAC.  We are moving on to what many believe are greener pastures...


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 08, 2007, 03:57:59 PM
Wilburt,
You are bitter.  Have you not learned self control throughout your vast studies.  If there is hate in your heart let it out!!!!!!!!!!!!  We are pointing out the same reasons Fisk did not succeed in the GSAC and wondering how that will translate in a different conference.  By the way, normally i just type fast.  I was a business major not an english major.  Actually, I am a pretty intelligent guy.  I am not a big guy or a quick guy, but I sure used to dominate Fisk.  There is no tangle here.  I have learned to control my emotions like an adult and not make claims that I cannot back up or prove.  And I would certainly never accuse a man of Randy Lambert's reputation of some of the things you have.  Usually, name calling is just a smoke screen to cover real problems that can be addressed and solved. 

Bottom line is this:  If you acted more like me the world would be a better place.  Take this wisdom as you move to www.d2basketball.com.  Now go bother those people because we are above you and will not stoop to your level.
Brent
2001 GSAC Player of the Year

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 08, 2007, 04:31:22 PM
Doug et al. I rest my case...

Thanks Brent :D ;D.   When will you ever learn to let it go???  More importantly when will you learn not to dip into an adult's conversation???

You should go to some anger management classes at least, since it appears you rarely attended any of your other classes namely - English (notice the capital "E" Brent you missed that). 

What does wondering about Fisk's success in another conference mean to you?  Why do you care? Unless you have some unresolved anger against Fisk? Clearly you have not let it go Brent...

By the way, I was not calling you a name, Brent.  I was stating a fact. Your reading comprehension has not improved much since last we dialogued and you seem to admit as much!  As a result, that may be why you tend to say some stupid things ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 08, 2007, 08:24:23 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 08, 2007, 08:14:31 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 07, 2007, 05:53:39 PM
sounds like they need more sports

Here we go again.  Just maybe your alma mater may need to offer more academic programs to get more non-athletes. Just a thought... :D

Quote from Spencer Beaty:

How would the jump to D2 affect your other sports? I know you would get better players but all other sports have struggled mightily in D3.

Your question does not make any sense to me. Logically if you get better players (as you state), then how could you struggle in D2? Fisk didn't struggle before in the SIAC and neither is Stillman currently struggling in the SIAC. So what are you really talking about? Please explain...

What I am asking you Wilburt is obviously there are D2 programs that struggle.  Fisk struggled in D3 where other teams succeeded.  Why is it that you will magically have comparatively better D2 athletic than you did in D3.  (I am excluding basketball from this.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 08, 2007, 10:35:28 PM
Also Maryville College is a great academic institution
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on May 08, 2007, 10:49:55 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 08, 2007, 04:31:22 PM

What does wondering about Fisk's success in another conference mean to you?  Why do you care? Unless you have some unresolved anger against Fisk? Clearly you have not let it go Brent...


I think you brought it up...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2007, 10:59:28 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 08, 2007, 03:57:59 PM
...as you move to www.d2basketball.com. 

Go Scots
I just went to www.d2basketball.com.

There was one user and one guest (me) on the forum.

The largest number of users ever as 42 on Jan 1, 2002 at 2:18 a.m!

Wow!  You can 42 Murvul fans ganging up on Coach Haynes or old lion on these boards alone, not to mention the in-game commentary of a Wheaton- Illinois Wesleyan or a Woo-Witt game!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 08, 2007, 11:47:57 PM
I still am curious about women's athletics in D2 and the SIAC.  Are the requirements for fielding women's and men's teams similar to those in D3? (Ralph, this may be for you!)  Does being D2 mean you can give (gasp Wilburt!) athletic scholarships?  That might be how you get better players, but it undermines the idea that Fisk is above the jockgrovelling Wilburt seems to think Murvul engages in.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2007, 12:09:23 AM
I don't know the number per sport or any conference restrictions in D2.

I think that D2's must offer 5 and 5 sports.

I did find the by-law that allows Fisk to give as many scholarships as they want.

Academic Scholarships (https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/lsdbi/LSDBi.LSDBiPackage.DisplayBylaw?p_Division=2&p_IndexName=ManualIndex&p_PkValue=18327&p_TextTerms=(scholarships)&p_TitleTerms=(scholarships)&p_BylawNum=15.02.4.3&p_Text=2_060113112715.HTML&p_ViewAdopted=Adopted&p_BylawType=0&p_ProposedDate=&p_AdoptedDate=09-JAN-2006&p_EffectiveDate=01-AUG-2006&p_HeadFoot=1&p_CallCount=1)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2007, 12:14:35 AM
I bombed out on searching the NCAA bylaws for athletic scholarship limits and number of required sponsored sports. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 09, 2007, 07:31:44 AM
Quote from Mr. Beaty:
What I am asking you Wilburt is obviously there are D2 programs that struggle.  Fisk struggled in D3 where other teams succeeded.  Why is it that you will magically have comparatively better D2 athletic than you did in D3.  (I am excluding basketball from this.)

Why is it that you don't think we will is the better question? Particularly, if we are able to give out D2 scholarships.  Again, your question doesn't make any sense to me unless your underlying premise is that regardless of what $$$$ Fisk puts into its athletic program it will not succeed.   Is that what you all are really thinking? 

And yes, Maryville is a fine academic institution as are the other GSAC schools.

Doug, I think Ralph answered your questions about D2. 

On a personal note, I am overwhelmed by the sincere interest and concern that a few Maryville alums have shown in the well being of the Fisk athletic program, particularly since we are no longer part of the GSAC.  Shouldn't you all be more concerned with trying to recruit another school to the GSAC before the women's programs lose their automatic bid?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 09, 2007, 07:33:15 AM
Quote from: scotswin on May 08, 2007, 10:49:55 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 08, 2007, 04:31:22 PM

What does wondering about Fisk's success in another conference mean to you?  Why do you care? Unless you have some unresolved anger against Fisk? Clearly you have not let it go Brent...


I think you brought it up...

No, I think Mr. Beaty and Mr. Watts brought it up when they posed the question.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 09, 2007, 08:07:40 AM
I guess since every time you try to argue a point with Wilburt he spins it off in the direction where you least expect it GO FISK!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 09, 2007, 08:23:19 AM
The only thing that would make this conversation better is if grubby or wilburt would end a comment with "I spit hot fire!"  

Wilburt, I think that a lot of the interest/concern/questions comes from the fact that Fisk was a charter member of the GSAC and an intense rivalry of MC for many years.  My 2 cents.

Fisk at the D2 level is not a guaranteed chart topper.  All the smart people in D3 understand that scholarships don't solve all your problems!  If I had 6 fulls and competed in the GSAC, it would solve a few, but not in the SIAC.  What you have to understand is that even the fully funded powerhouses aren't just tossing out full scholarships like cheese at the first of the month.  They have to be selective and frugal with their dollars so they can get the most for their money.  If ONLY scholarships was the answer to everyone's athletic issues then why would Fisk beat TN State and Maryville beat Carson Newman and LaGrange beat Berry?  I will compile a short list of things that you must satisfy to get a recruit at any level.

1. Coaching Staff - If the kid doesn't like the head coach and especially the asst coach, he is not coming.
2. Facilities - If you don't have doors on your bathroom stalls and your lights flicker, he is not coming.
3. Academic Environment - If a young man can't get help through professors, coaches, teammates, or coaches, the parents aren't sending him.
4. Teammates - If your current players aren't as committed as the new guy he sees this as one of two ways.  A. These guys are chumps.  I will start as a freshman over these lazy bums.  B. These guys are great.  I can't wait to hit the clubs with these guys.  
5. Playing Time - Every kid wants to play.  If they don't, cut'em.  
6. MONEY - How much is it going to cost.  Even in the SIAC kids are paying money to play.  
7. Campus Life - If the dorm doesn't have air conditioning and people urinate in the hall ways, it will take a lot for momma to drop her baby off in the fall.  If every weekend people pack up and go home because 5 hours in a car is more fun than being on campus for a weekend, it will be hard to keep anybody you get.

Point being: It is rough all over!  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 09, 2007, 08:58:41 AM
Coach Haynes:

You bring up some great points, most of them I agree with - particularly the one about it being rough all over!

My point is this, from my vantage point a lot of Fisk  alums and a number of Fisk officials feel that the rejoining the SIAC is a better conference fit for the school at this time for a number of reasons.  However, since the SIAC went exclusive D2 in the 1980s or 1990s, in order for Fisk to do that we must become a D2 school.  If we could remain D3 and do that, we probably would.  What's driving this proposal (IMHO) to go D2 is not the desire to  necessarily to win SIAC championships (although that would be nice), nor to put $$$$ into the athletic program because of the complaints from the GSAC ADs and Coaches, but to resume competition with our traditional rivals.

TSU is facing a similar dilemma with the OVC.  TSU alums would rather come out to see TSU play little ole D3 Fisk, and schools like Grambling, Florida A & M, than to see TSU play an OVC rival like Eastern Kentucky in basketball.  Last season nearly, 9,000 people saw the Fisk-TSU game whereas TSU averaged 4,000 or so to their OVC games.   As a result, TSU is exploring joining the MEAC and leaving the OVC.

Stillman, Lincoln and Fisk have had their share of challenging experiences with fellow D3 schools in recent years.  It is no coincidence then that all three schools would try to minimize (or eliminate) these "challenges" and resume competition with their historical rivals, where there has been an element of trust and shared interests for nearly one hundred years!   

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 09, 2007, 09:10:51 AM
I agree with HBCU's alligning themselves in conferences.  Some view it as a type of segregation but I can understand the amount heritage involved in many of those schools and the level of rivalry they share.  TSU does need to leave the OVC. 

Bad News: We had a kid de-comitt this weekend.  Good News: We replaced him on Monday.

In reference to announcing recruiting successes on the website...the kid must first sign his acceptance of his financial award letter and then the school can post.  We are going to post all of ours the week after graduation. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 09, 2007, 09:16:18 AM
" I spit hot fire!!!!!!!!" :o

Wilburt I hope everything works out for Fisk. Do I see you being a dominant athletic program in basketball at the Div II level YES!!, track more than likely, but every other sport you will find the same type of success you have had in Div 3. By the way to be perfectly honest the main reason Fisk has not been as successful as they should have been in basketball which is all I know was COACHING!!! Dr. Glover is a great person but hands down Fisk has had the most talented team the last 5 to 6 years in the GSAC. Just my opinion!

They were more talented than both of the teams I played on, but obviously to be talented is not enough all the components must fall into place..

WE AT DA VILLE have been blessed to have it all. Great athletes, coaches, and administration!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 09, 2007, 12:17:37 PM
GSAC Killer:

It all depends on what you define success as...

I think the folks in Nashville may have a different definition than the folks in Maryville of what that is.  It is all in the eye of the beholder.

Yes, Killer DA VILLE has been blessed to have it all.  Good Luck to you Killer in your future endeavors as well as to you Mr. Beaty. 

By the way, I used to spit hot fire, but that's when I used to drink it first  ;D     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 09, 2007, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on May 09, 2007, 09:10:51 AM
In reference to announcing recruiting successes on the website...the kid must first sign his acceptance of his financial award letter and then the school can post.   We are going to post all of ours the week after graduation. 

Thanks for the insight Coach.

It seems to me, that the lack of the ability to sign a prospect to a letter of intent would be the single most significant factor that makes a DIII Coach's life tough.

Would you care to comment re your understanding as to why letters of intent are inconsistent with "DIII philosophy", and therefore, not allowed?

I realize there are no athletic scholarships at the DIII level and perhaps that somehow is related. But let's not kid ourselves ... most DIII schools are private, fairly expensive institutions ... and in many cases, significant non-athletic scholarship money (commitment) is involved. And even though it's "just DIII", I'm sure most DIII coaches and athletes take their sports very seriously ... and would benefit from the ability to plan and control their situations.

Seems to me, letters of intent would benefit all concerned. Frankly, I don't see their downside.

I know one thing. It would be a good thing if there were ways to discourage prospects from pulling a "runaway bride" and bolting at the last minute.

But then that's just my opinion ... I could be wrong.  :)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 09, 2007, 01:42:33 PM
Ralph:  Maybe you answered this but maybe not.  In D2, are schools required to have essentially the same number of varsity teams for men and women?  It is my understanding that in D3, there is such a requirement.  If D2 requires 5 or 6 sports, is it for men and women?  Am I right that D3 requires more than 5 or 6 sports?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 09, 2007, 01:54:22 PM
Fisk and Lincoln and most if not all of the other historically black colleges and universities have played very important roles in making this country a better and more democratic and inclusive place.  While they did not do that by playing ball against schools that are not historically black, and while I am sure Fisk does not "need" the GSAC to continue to fulfill its mission, I am not comfortable with what looks a lot like voluntary re-segregation.   

Great historic rivalries are fun and generate money and enthusiasm, but we cannot afford to ignore the less positive social implications of even more "hanging out with who looks like you."  Just an opinion, of course!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2007, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 09, 2007, 01:42:33 PM
Ralph:  Maybe you answered this but maybe not.  In D2, are schools required to have essentially the same number of varsity teams for men and women?  It is my understanding that in D3, there is such a requirement.  If D2 requires 5 or 6 sports, is it for men and women?  Am I right that D3 requires more than 5 or 6 sports?
I found it!

D2 Sport Participation Requirements (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/governance/division_II/d2_planning/DII_Membership_Requirements/General_Requirements.pdf)

(D3 now requires five and five with one sport in each of the three seasons.)

D2 requires at least 20 full scholarships and 10 for women and a $250K budget of which $125K goes to women. (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/governance/division_II/d2_planning/DII_Membership_Requirements/memrequirements.rtf)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 09, 2007, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 09, 2007, 01:54:22 PM
I am not comfortable with what looks a lot like voluntary re-segregation.   

Great historic rivalries are fun and generate money and enthusiasm, but we cannot afford to ignore the less positive social implications of even more "hanging out with who looks like you."  Just an opinion, of course!

Scottiedoug, I see your point ... segregation concerns me, as well.

Looking at the same issue from a different, and "big picture" perspective, I think assimilation is a huge issue. IMHO, the assimilation that has occurred over the last couple of hundred years or so, is one of the major factors that makes us a great nation ... and that makes this the best place in the world to live.

Back in the day, our ancestors considered themselves primarily English or Irish or African or Polish or German or Italian or whatever. Today most of us consider ourselves primarily American. That is the miracle of assimilation!

Seems to me, we are trending away from that. Consider Hispanic immigrants, for example ... There are an awful lot of people in this country who are expending great effort to make it possible for Spanish-speaking people to function quite well in the US without ever learning to speak English. What sense does that make? How will non-English-speakers ever assimilate? (Ask anyone from Quebec how that whole bi-lingual thing has worked out.) A hundred years from now, I wonder what percent of our population will consider themselves "primarily American"?

And if you think we have a problem re assimilation, check out what's going on in Europe. I'd recommend reading Mark Steyn's "America Alone", if you want an eye opener on this topic.

It's simple really ... everyone in the US should speak English ... DIII should have letters of intent ... the world would be a better place.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on May 09, 2007, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: old_lion on May 09, 2007, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 09, 2007, 01:54:22 PM

It's simple really ... everyone in the US should speak English ... DIII should have letters of intent ... the world would be a better place.


Now those are some impressive priorities
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 10, 2007, 07:55:56 AM
scottiedoug, I feel you.  Very well put. 

Letters of intent would be fine with me but I am o.k. without them. I guess you get used to the fact that some kids won't be held accountable for their decisions. If they don't want to be at LC, I don't want them at LC! Sometimes D3 seems a little too much like a weekend at Banaroo, with so much freedom and being centered around the student athlete instead of get good grades, listen to coach, and be responsible.  I am not sure how many of you are familiar with the self-release program in d3. It states that if I am Bo Mason and I want to transfer to another D3 school, I don't have to tell Lambert squat about it.  I can self-release myself and speak to whoever.  If anybody on here thinks that teaches any valuable lessons, meet me out behind the tool shed. We need to talk!  That was completely off the subject but just another piece of legislation that makes it more difficult to run your programs as an intense basketball machine. 

Speaking of programs...I would like to add that May 19th we will have all five of our seniors walk across the stage and get the best liberal arts degree in the south.  Since I have been involved with the program all seniors that have finished their careers as a Panther in good athletic standing have graduated with only 2 taking five years instead of the customary 4. 

Any thoughts on moving the three point line back a whole foot?  What happened to the international distance?  This still has to get through one more group at the end of the month but I would think it would make it.  The rationale is said to be more spacing between perimeter and post.  That seems like an offensive execution problem not a dimensions problem.  Huntingdon always had good spacing between perimeter and post.  If the line goes back a whole foot, it changes a couple of things instantly.  1. % - If you are a 40% shooter at 19'9" then you will be a 35% shooter at 20'9".  Classic example was Robby Lawrence.  I stayed on him all the time that he was 40+ on the line and 35- if he was back a foot.  This percentage issue grows exponetially as the original percentage of the shooter gets lower ie..33% goes to 24%.  Yes everyone will get used to it and % will level back out but it will take some time. One good thing is that it will seperate the guys that can and can't shoot it a little bit more.  2. Defense - Does this change a teams defensive style?  It might change ours.  A Huntingdon style defense that packs it in seems to be a pretty good option since the 3fg% will drop naturally.  I don't know if we would benefit from being out in passing lanes and pressure the heck out of the ball with spacing being an issue between our help defenders.  If your philosophy is 2 passes away your help is 1/2 way between ball and their man, it opens up more skip pass options, penetrate and kick becomes more available, and flare screens become more effective.  This is assuming that there are guys on the other team that you have to guard at the new distance.  This change will effect the entire game not just where you shoot from.  I hope the decision makers are aware. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2007, 08:03:43 AM
Excellent discussion on the impact of the line, Coach Haynes.

Congratulations on the graduating seniors!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 10, 2007, 08:07:47 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 09, 2007, 01:54:22 PM
I am not comfortable with what looks a lot like voluntary re-segregation.   

Let me just say this Doug.  I see your point and Old Lion's, but look at it from another angle - namely my own!  When schools like Fisk, Lincoln and Stillman have similar frustrating experiences in D3, it is no surprise to me that those schools would rather join (or rejoin) well established conferences with other Black Colleges so as not to deal with any more B.S. (whether it is real or imagined) from some of their colleagues in D3.

Coach Haynes I see your point about the "self-release" of some players but by the same token D3 coaches can recruit and bring in 10-20 players each year since there are no scholarships.  It all evens out in the wash... 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 10, 2007, 01:20:55 PM
Coach Haynes:  Thanks for the thoughts on the rule changes.  Did you think you could slip in the "best liberal arts degree in the south"comment without anyone saying anything?

I think I understand why Fisk, Stillman et al would choose not to put up with whatever they found stupid or racist, but I still am sorry about the implications of the decision.

Old-lion:  I am involved in some immigrants rights work and do not know anyone who is working to "allow" or even encourage people not to learn English.  You say "There are an awful lot of people in this country who are expending great effort to make it possible for Spanish-speaking people to function quite well in the US without ever learning to speak English."  My experience is that most immigrants know that learning English is necessary to doing well here.  I suggest you are listening to/reading comments by people with a different agenda than those of us who want a vibrant multicultural society.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on May 10, 2007, 02:42:28 PM
scottiedoug:

To echo wilburt's point, Lincoln (PA) was surrounded by by a few hundred DIII schools, and Lincoln has tried in the past, but found the road to conference affiliation rather difficult.  I know Lincoln had physical plant problems, the lack of a real SID and some other issues, but the Trustee's chose to re-introduce football, a marching band, to enhance student life issues and address the dimishing enrollments of African American men in college generally, and HBCU's specifically.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 10, 2007, 03:12:17 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 10, 2007, 01:20:55 PM
Old-lion:  I am involved in some immigrants rights work and do not know anyone who is working to "allow" or even encourage people not to learn English.  You say "There are an awful lot of people in this country who are expending great effort to make it possible for Spanish-speaking people to function quite well in the US without ever learning to speak English."  My experience is that most immigrants know that learning English is necessary to doing well here.  I suggest you are listening to/reading comments by people with a different agenda than those of us who want a vibrant multicultural society.

A vibrant multicultural society?  

I don't know that I have a strong opinion about that ... that would be pretty cool I guess ... as long as all those vibrant folks from all those different cultures assimilate and eventually come to think of themselves primarily as Americans, as opposed to Tombuktuians or whateverians ... that's my primary concern.

I suggest you are listening to/reading comments by people with a different agenda than those of us who want a vibrant multicultural society.

I disagree. I don't think it's a matter of mutually exclusive alternatives. I think it's possible to both value and preserve your original culture and to become "an American". Plenty of folks have managed to do it over the past couple of hundred years.

I agree with the attitude expressed by the Prime Minister of Australia (I think, maybe it was New Zealand?) ... he said, basically (I'm not quoting) ...

Anyone is welcome here if they want to become an Australian. But don't bother coming here if you want Timbuktuian to become our second language, if you want us to officially recognize Timbuktuian holidays and customs, if you want Timbuktuian food served in our schools and prison systems, etc. etc. ad nauseam ... If you are that enamored with all your Timbuktuian "stuff", maybe you should stay in Timbuktu.

Makes sense to me ...

Scottie, I sincerely hope that your "gut feel" re this situation proves to be more accurate than mine. (My experience is that most immigrants know that learning English is necessary to doing well here.) But, "learning English" is only part of the process of assimilation ... Based on my reading and personal observations, "traditional Western Civilization" that has been responsible for so much of "what's right in the world" is in danger of coming under siege. Read Mark Steyn's book ... I'd be interested in hearing your take on it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 10, 2007, 05:16:11 PM

If you are not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at forty, you have no brain.
- Winston Churchhill -


Hmmm ... I can see the logic in that statement ... I wonder where us Libertarians fit in ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 10, 2007, 08:58:32 PM
I love basketball!!  Doesn't everyone???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on May 10, 2007, 09:26:14 PM
Well, I normally read rather than post on this board, but Ido have an observation regarding these interesting discussions. 

Regardless of where you fall on the issues being discussed, I think it is a testamant to the current and former institutions of the GSAC that such real debates are being held on this thread.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2007, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: scotswin on May 10, 2007, 09:26:14 PM
Well, I normally read rather than post on this board, but Ido have an observation regarding these interesting discussions. 

Regardless of where you fall on the issues being discussed, I think it is a testamant to the current and former institutions of the GSAC that such real debates are being held on this thread.
I also submit that there is a deep and genuine respect amongst the posters regardless of the discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 11, 2007, 08:22:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2007, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: scotswin on May 10, 2007, 09:26:14 PM
Well, I normally read rather than post on this board, but Ido have an observation regarding these interesting discussions. 

Regardless of where you fall on the issues being discussed, I think it is a testamant to the current and former institutions of the GSAC that such real debates are being held on this thread.
I also submit that there is a deep and genuine respect amongst the posters regardless of the discussion.

I agree with you scotswin and as always Dr. Ralph.  Despite my rhetoric, there is a deep and genuine respect amongst the posters.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 11, 2007, 08:50:29 AM
Quote from: wilburt on May 10, 2007, 08:07:47 AM
Coach Haynes I see your point about the "self-release" of some players but by the same token D3 coaches can recruit and bring in 10-20 players each year since there are no scholarships.  It all evens out in the wash... 

Wilburt, I see these two factors ...

(1) lack of letter of intent/ability of players to "self-release" and
(2) ability of (or the need for) coaches to recruit by the "shot gun" approach

not as factors that offset ... although, from a sheer numbers perspective, I see your point.

Instead, I see them both as factors that add chaos to the process.

I am a huge believer in basketball as a synergistic, team sport. IMHO, success is determined not so much by throwing together as many guys as possible who have talent ... but rather, by assembling a collection of components that "fit" as a team. And by success, I'm not referring just to wins. I believe there are other, less tangible factors that can make a program successful ... in other words, a worthwhile place to spend your college years.

If I were a coach, the constraints imposed by D3 rules that make it difficult to do that would frustrate me greatly.

If I were a D3 player, I'd much rather come into a situation where I could depend on a coach being able to tell me where he envisions me in the grand scheme of things AND where I could depend on my coach being able to exercise some control ... to continue to build a synergistic team during my tenure at the school.

I see both of the factors above as working at cross-purposes with the over all objective of building stability into a program. As always, that's just my opinion ... I could be wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 11, 2007, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: wilburt on May 11, 2007, 08:22:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2007, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: scotswin on May 10, 2007, 09:26:14 PM
Well, I normally read rather than post on this board, but Ido have an observation regarding these interesting discussions. 

Regardless of where you fall on the issues being discussed, I think it is a testamant to the current and former institutions of the GSAC that such real debates are being held on this thread.
I also submit that there is a deep and genuine respect amongst the posters regardless of the discussion.

I agree with you scotswin and as always Dr. Ralph.  Despite my rhetoric, there is a deep and genuine respect amongst the posters.


"A deep and genuine respect" may be going a little too far ...  :)

But for the most part, I think we tolerate each other quite well ... and I think we enjoy each other's insights and opinions. ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 11, 2007, 01:39:22 PM
Old Lion

The reason why I liked being a D3 athlete rather than being a D2 or other scholarship athlete was the amount of control I had over my own academic career.  If I wanted to leave the team (for a semester or two), I knew that my scholarship $$$$ was in no way related to my athletic participation and thus would remain the same!

Most scholarship athletes I have spoken with over the years have been frustrated to a greater or lesser degree as to the amount of control/influence the athletic department had over your time and in some instances even the major you selected. 

For me the debate was between spending my free time in developing in my sport or spending my free time in the library in order to get the grades I wanted in order to go to the graduate/professional school I had in mind.  At times both goals conflicted.  For the most part, D3 allowed me to compete in college athletics on my own terms

P.S.  I think whatever word one would use that is somewhere in the middle between "tolerate" and "utmost respect" is probably best!

Have great weekend everyone...

Go Pistons (1989, 1990, 2004 and 2007? NBA Champs)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 11, 2007, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 11, 2007, 01:39:22 PM
Old Lion

The reason why I liked being a D3 athlete rather than being a D2 or other scholarship athlete was the amount of control I had over my own academic career.  If I wanted to leave the team (for a semester or two), I knew that my scholarship $$$$ was in no way related to my athletic participation and thus would remain the same!

Most scholarship athletes I have spoken with over the years have been frustrated to a greater or lesser degree as to the amount of control/influence the athletic department had over your time and in some instances even the major you selected. 

For me the debate was between spending my free time in developing in my sport or spending my free time in the library in order to get the grades I wanted in order to go to the graduate/professional school I had in mind.  At times both goals conflicted.  For the most part, D3 allowed me to compete in college athletics on my own terms

Good points! As you have so aptly illustrated, there are usually at least two sides to every issue.

QuoteP.S.  I think whatever word one would use that is somewhere in the middle between "tolerate" and "utmost respect" is probably best!

I hear you ... I was sort of using the word "tolerate" in jest. However, when considering certain combinations of posters, I imagine the terms on the opposite ends of the spectrum are more appropriate. I'm guessing you can relate ...  ;)

QuoteGo Pistons (1989, 1990, 2004 and 2007? NBA Champs)

I'm betting the champ is going to come out of the Western Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 12, 2007, 08:00:03 AM
Wilburt, will all due respect, an athlete that takes it "on his own terms" is the root of the evil with the D3 philosophy.  I know that you were a track star and track is an individual sport for the most part so it is different than basketball.  Basketball is a program, a team, a family and a responsibility.  Come into our program and be committed, if you want to leave, please do so but don't come back.  What we do here and what is done at 100's of other places is not for everyone.  When you are on a team you are committed to that team and you belong to that team.  Whatever the team does...you do.  I do agree that at the D1 level and some D2 the athletes don't ever learn how to control their own lives because they are being guided like sheep and spoon fed or force fed everything.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 12, 2007, 12:58:56 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on May 12, 2007, 08:00:03 AM
Basketball is a program, a team, a family and a responsibility.  Come into our program and be committed, if you want to leave, please do so but don't come back.  What we do here and what is done at 100's of other places is not for everyone.  When you are on a team you are committed to that team and you belong to that team.  Whatever the team does...you do. 

Yes, Coach Haynes ... you can get an "Amen!"

Wilburt, I thought you made some good points ... I like Coach Haynes' points even better.

Which sort of circles back around do the point I was making re the lack of letters of intent and the point you made, re some coaches over recruiting in self defense ... because they are not entirely sure who they ultimately are going to have. It all points towards less than optimum commitment (both ways) and therefore, uncertainty and instability.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 12, 2007, 01:55:02 PM
I think the diffeences between basketball and track (or tennis) are important for this discussion, as Coach Haynes points out.  It is obviously complicatred to balance young people's need to make important decisions about how they spend their time, as Wilburt points out, with the need in team sports for teamness.  There are problems with how D3 sets this up, but I am not sure it would make it all better to bind people to situations they do not want to be in.  It puts a lot of pressure on coaches to find the balance but D3 coaches, or many of them, do this on purpose, even without the "certainty" of D2 and D1 rules.  Responsibility is not a science and we all probably have different ideas as to what it is or looks like or requires....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 13, 2007, 10:16:04 PM
How is the rest of the GSAC shaping up for next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 14, 2007, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on May 12, 2007, 08:00:03 AM
Wilburt, will all due respect, an athlete that takes it "on his own terms" is the root of the evil with the D3 philosophy. 

Isn't that a little harsh Coach Haynes? Although Track is an individual sport for the most part, it is a team, a family and responsibility much like any other college sport.  Particularly on the sprint relay teams I ran on where precision and timing were paramount!

Let me pose this hypothetical question to you Coach Haynes, what if one of your players (let's say a senior for purposes of discussion here) has a VERY IMPORTANT interview with an admissions director at an Ivy League Graduate School or an interview for an important entry level position at a Fortune 500 company.   If he doesn't go the chances of him getting in to the school or getting the position diminish drastically.  However, it happens to be on the same weekend as the GSAC basketball tournament.  Neither of them can be rescheduled, what would you want your player to do?   Otherwise, this player has done everything you have asked him to do Coach Haynes. Does it matter to you whether he starts or not?  Or whether he is All-Conference or not?

The reason I pose this hypothetical is because something similar (not identical) happened to me at Fisk  a few times.  My coach and I did not see eye to eye on these things when I spoke with him about it.  If your kid "takes it on his own terms" is he part of the root of evil in D3? 

I'd like your thoughts on this as well Doug and Old Lion...
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 14, 2007, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: wilburt on May 14, 2007, 08:10:11 AM
However, it happens to be on the same weekend as the GSAC basketball tournament.  Neither of them can be rescheduled, what would you want your player to do

I'd like your thoughts on this as well Doug and Old Lion...  

OK, my two cents worth ...

Once your hypothetical situation gets to that point, it's a tough call.

But to me, it seems the solution to the problem would have been  a little up front planning. Certainly, the player would have known about the upcoming tournament far in advance ... and had it on his schedule as a commitment he was going to keep, "come hell or high water", so to speak.

I think the commitment to the team comes first. Putting myself in your hypothetical player's position, I can't imagine scheduling anything that would conflict with my commitment to my teammates and my coach and to the completion of my Senior season ... so, in my way of thinking, rescheduling could not be an issue.

Also, considering the situation from a slightly different angle ... putting myself in the place of the Fortune 500 or Graduate School interviewer ... I would prefer to select someone for "my team" who could show evidence that he values his commitment to his "current team" over his immediate self-interest.

I'm not saying that's right or wrong ... but it is how I see the "big picture".


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 11:34:44 AM
This happens more than you think, folks.

http://www.d3hoops.com/features/emorym.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 14, 2007, 12:12:24 PM
Thanks for the link, Pat.  He had no reasonable alternative, it seems to me, in that 1) a Rhodes is, to put it mildly, a big deal, and 2) there was no reasonable expectation that the committee of several interviewers would or could make accomodations for one applicant.

Wilburt's example is less clear to me.  I am not sure I would want to go to grad school somewhere or work for someone whose interviewers would not accomodate a tournament game (as opposed to a regular season one), but I still think the call should be the student's to make if no accomodation from the "adult" institutions was possible.  Having choices is a good thing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 14, 2007, 01:44:05 PM
Doug and Old Lion:

You both appear to get my main point and thanks Pat for the link.  Although in my decisions I consistently picked my long term interests over my loyalty to my teammates, it was by no means an easy decision to make

But as Doug ably stated it was mine to make and not the coach's, thus I willingly faced any consequences or rewards as a result of the choice I made...   

Reminds me of that old Frank Sinatra song "I did it my way"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 14, 2007, 03:24:27 PM
That situation is easy.  He has to go.  If there are two immovable objects of equal importance to the athlete then the sport has to sacrifice.  If his team doesn't win a conference championship he will still live the life he wants, but if he doesn't get the degree he wants that could change his lifestyle forever.  I was speaking more of someone chosing to take time away.  A short inturuption in action such as wilburt's case study is not grounds for dismissal from the team.  Yes in D3 if you and the coach don't agree on something you can do what you like and face the consequences.  That is learning.

Yes wilburt relays are team events and they do keep team scores and crown team champions in track.  I was speaking of some dude in a tight singlet trying to out run or out throw or out jump some other dude in a tight singlet. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2007, 03:39:34 PM
"...tight singlet..."

I then had this mental image of Shaq dressing out for the 1971 LA Lakers!   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 14, 2007, 03:53:16 PM
You know Coach Haynes I had to look up what a singlet was...

For the record, when I ran my "singlets" were not tight and neither were my shorts. :D ;D. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on May 14, 2007, 08:45:31 PM
Huntingdon has made a choice of Mike Pugh  the new Head Coach of the Huntingdon Hawks

press release below hopefully it will be a promise of great things to come.

http://www.huntingdon.edu/news/archive/2007/may/05_14_07_coach

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!! I will always be a HAWK
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 14, 2007, 11:50:04 PM
Looks like the Hawks will be running a different kind of game.  Good luck to them!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 15, 2007, 09:21:14 AM
More news that makes my sadness grow as we approach graduation.  I will never replace this group of seniors.  They were honestly one of kind.

http://www.lagrange.edu/athletics/basketball/news-Maddox_Eagle_Award.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 15, 2007, 11:29:19 AM
Congrats to the boys of Lagrange on obtaining the higher achievement of them all that DIPLOMA!! No game, shot, or practice can take you farther than that piece of paper.

Good luck to the Hawks and the new Coach!!

On a side note want to let Oh Yea and Matt Grubb know that it was a pleasure to display Maryville college Basketball to those  basketball alumni chumps from UT. Their team name might have been the Champs but we won the championship! I guess we did learn a tad bit from that grey hair legend we got in Maryville!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 16, 2007, 12:02:34 AM
Links to Maryville recruiting news:
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1977

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1978

Also, Batteredbard won a juried regional press award for his series on D3 athletics...a series many of us really appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 17, 2007, 08:49:12 AM
Beware of the Scots next year. If the players they are bringing in pan out like the should WATCH OUT!!! As good as wings since Monte, Doan, and Sidney.

Still in search of a true PG???/ We need one if Bo does not comeback.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 17, 2007, 01:14:32 PM
Killer:  Do you have an opinion you want to share on Randy's idea to get Dustin Brown from Heritage to play point? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 17, 2007, 01:59:17 PM
With all honesty I have seen the kid play and he has the ability to be a pretty darn good basketball player. I just think his body is not ready AT ALL.. He is 140lbs soaking wet!! He needs to get stronger. Nice looking shot! Reminds me of that Noah kid they had a couple of years ago but not as pure of a pg.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 17, 2007, 10:24:30 PM
I have seen Dustin go crazy and make everything he looks at.  He is a very good competiter, but he does lack that physical presence.  I am not sure about his college basketball future.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 18, 2007, 11:33:18 AM
Maybe Dustin and Chris Orr could study how to eat more and discuss it in the weight room.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 18, 2007, 12:34:22 PM
if you need to know where the weightroom is, don't ask Orr, he barely knows where the gym is

Killer, now that the board has cleaned up the grubby one is back

We balled those UT kids like we always do

I can't wait to see how this Rocky Top league shapes up either, I will take my fellow fighting scots up against anyone

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 18, 2007, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 18, 2007, 12:34:22 PM
Killer, now that the board has cleaned up the grubby one is back

Let it go Brent...

By the way, Stillman just won a NCAA Division II bid out of the SIAC for the NCAA D2 baseball playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 21, 2007, 09:57:17 AM
I wish the Scots would go Division II..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 21, 2007, 10:06:26 AM
D2basketball.com is waiting for you, William
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 21, 2007, 11:31:40 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on May 21, 2007, 10:06:26 AM
D2basketball.com is waiting for you, William

Am I bothering you Brent?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 21, 2007, 11:40:18 AM
Every now and then, someone on this Big Board posts something that promotes Thought, as distinguished from Immediate Reaction.  I hope all those people do not migrate to whatever there is for D2 fans.  That includes you, too, Killer!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2007, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 21, 2007, 09:57:17 AM
I wish the Scots would go Division II..

www.d2basketball.com is certainly a different place.

Pat Coleman certainly seems to have derived a better organization and layout for this website.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 21, 2007, 12:00:30 PM
The GSAC Killer does not want to leave. I run the GSAC board alongside my friend Matt Grubb..  ;D :D I would like to see what Coach Lambert could do with scholarships!! Watch out!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on May 21, 2007, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 21, 2007, 12:00:30 PM
The GSAC Killer does not want to leave. I run the GSAC board alongside my friend Matt Grubb..  ;D :D I would like to see what Coach Lambert could do with scholarships!! Watch out!!

     Blasphemy to even think it, I tell you. MC is the epitome of D3.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 21, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
when you are as successful as Randy is at the non-scholarship level, he has no need to change

I guess you could say, If it ain't broke...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 22, 2007, 10:38:59 AM
I would like Randy to take on a new challenge and see how he does. It would be interesting to see how he does. It probably won´t happen since Wes is coming through next year..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on May 22, 2007, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 22, 2007, 10:38:59 AM
I would like Randy to take on a new challenge and see how he does. It would be interesting to see how he does. It probably won´t happen since Wes is coming through next year..

     I hope he stays at MC but if he is going to move, he needs to do so soon. His biological clock is ticking you know!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 22, 2007, 03:22:51 PM
Randy (or Coanh Haynes or any of them) has a new challenge every time a bunch of new players show up and try to play basketball in a system that requires you to understand a little bit about the game....

As a fan, I do not want RDL to leave, but as Wilburt might tell us, a person has choices to make in life and athletics....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on May 23, 2007, 08:59:42 AM
This is my first time posting on the board, but I have read it for a long time.  There is all this talk about who the Scots have coming to play for them next year but what about all the other teams in the league.  Has Coach Haynes gotten any players that can play hard enough to break into his line-up?  Who are the Lions bringing in next  year?  Old Lion should have the inside scoop on this.  And what about this new guy at Huntington, there has not been much talk about him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 23, 2007, 09:09:25 AM
I am not saying he is leaving or want him to leave. I just posed a comment that stated it would be interesting what Coach could do if given scholarships. We have had some pretty dang good basketball players throughout the years without scholarships.

The coach at Hutingdon will struggle! Piedmont will be Piedmont!! And well LaGrange will give Randy a challenge but thats it. If there was a year that the Scots could be totally vulnerable to a an average season it would be the upcoming 2007-2008 season. No post game( Loss of Bobby and Bradley).. If Bo don't comeback no true leader and go to man!!

A lot of average guys trying to fill in some big shoes..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 23, 2007, 11:12:35 AM
This recruit may not be an average guy, Killer!

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1986

Not a post player, though.  It's Jerms year to score some points and maybe some of the young'uns will step it up to give a credible inside game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 23, 2007, 01:36:15 PM
I have know about this player for awhile. Coach said he is more athletic than Sidney and has better physical body than Sid as a freshman. They say he is the real deal. Remember fellas no matter what it takes time to adapt to the college game. Learning Coach Lambert's system is not as some may think, especially on defense!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on May 23, 2007, 01:37:37 PM
I did a little research on this kid and talked to my Georgia High School basketball source and from what I hear this kid is quite a player.  However, in my research i found that this kid's team finished 9 games under .500, which means they were not very good.  This kid should be a steal at the D3 level though.  How do the Scots go into GA and get this kid?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 23, 2007, 03:54:06 PM
For my friend ScottieDoug, here is the link that shows some of Maryville's recruits.  Oglethorpe and Mississippi College have gotten recruits out of Georgia.

http://www.southeastbasketballacademy.com/hoop_news_ga.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 23, 2007, 05:21:04 PM
Killer:  I heard from someone who saw Watson's team play a couple of years ago that they play serious defense, so perhaps he comes at least understanding how important it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 24, 2007, 10:30:28 AM
let's not get to excited about what is coming in b/c it will tough for the guys that are already in the program to find playing time at the perimeter

Q
Alex
Jared
Eric Anderson
Brady Neal

There are already 5 players for three spots and three sub spots and that does not include the Bobo factor if he gets back in good graces.  Next year will be a tough year to get time on the perimeter as a freshman, but there will be plenty of it in the post for a good player
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on May 24, 2007, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 23, 2007, 03:54:06 PM
For my friend ScottieDoug, here is the link that shows some of Maryville's recruits.  Oglethorpe and Mississippi College have gotten recruits out of Georgia.

http://www.southeastbasketballacademy.com/hoop_news_ga.htm

I would hope that Oglethorpe would be able to get recruits out of Georgia.  They are located in Atlanta.  I still hear no talk over who the Panthers and the Lions have coming in next year.  Its like the board is just a Maryville board, we might as well just start a message board on the Scots website and just post on there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 24, 2007, 02:34:46 PM
JohnnyBrave:  If we did that, we would lose some of our best sources of corrections (aka, old_lion, wilburt, d3ball, Coach Haynes....).  Not to mention Ralph.

Matt:  If any of these newbies can shoot and hit from outside, esp. without BoBo, I'll bet they/he will play.  Watson and Brown have shot really well for percentage in HS.  Of the ones you mention, Alex and Brady seem like shooters but I do not know about Jared and Eric.  And Q will play no matter what for other reasons and if his shot gets better, a bonus.  Without Bobby and Bradley, shooting from the perimeter seems like a bigger deal than with them.

Wilburt:  Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 24, 2007, 02:42:35 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 24, 2007, 02:34:46 PM
Wilburt:  Thanks for the link.

Scottiedoug you are welcome my friend. 

 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 24, 2007, 04:17:47 PM
Perimeter shooting is a lot more difficult without a dominant big man.  It is interesting, there are a couple more names that i will not mention at this point, but they might surface at a later date.  Unfortunately, most of the recruiting news is perimeter oriented.  We need some big guys and lots of them
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 24, 2007, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 24, 2007, 02:34:46 PM
If we did that, we would lose some of our best sources of corrections (aka, old_lion, wilburt, d3ball, Coach Haynes....).  Not to mention Ralph.

Our best sources of corrections???

If I didn't know you were a nice guy, I'd take that as an insult. But since I do, I'm going to interpret it as a compliment ... not sure how I'm going to do that ... I guess it has something to do with our being virtual well springs of insight and relevent information ... yeah, that's the ticket ...  ::)

From the Grubby One:
QuoteWe need some big guys and lots of them

Don't we all, Matt? Don't we all ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 24, 2007, 07:16:08 PM
We don't all need a big man.  You could settle for 6'2" post players and wallow in mediocrity....well I guess we do all need big guys.  There should be a mass release posted to our website in about a week or so that will satisfy the recriuting vultures.  We have 9 committed currently and hopefully that will go to 11.  Have a great Memorial Day Weekend! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 25, 2007, 08:17:06 AM
Article on Piedmont's Drew Bailey:

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/sports/local_story_135001455.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 25, 2007, 11:21:06 AM
I think replacing Golden and Blair is impossible much like trying to stop Jake Baldwin next year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 25, 2007, 11:58:44 AM
Old_lion:  As I suspected you would, you did correctly interpret.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 25, 2007, 07:01:23 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 25, 2007, 08:17:06 AM
Article on Piedmont's Drew Bailey:

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/sports/local_story_135001455.html

Wilburt, you da man!

Nice article on Drew ... how do you find this stuff???   :o

I mean, who peruses the website of the Valdosta Dailey Times, seriously? (Or, as Austin Powers would say ... "Who throws a shoe, seriously?)

But I digress ... thanks for posting that ... Drew Bailey is a great guy, BTW. In deference to him, I may even put on an orange shirt occasionally ... and cheer for the Vols.  (And I think I'm allergic to orange!)

I wish Drew all the best, seriously!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 26, 2007, 08:00:28 AM
Here is the link ( I hope) for the approval of the three point line distance of 20'9". 

20'9" (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4j3CQXJgFjGpvqRqCKOcAFfj_zcVH1v_QD9gtzQiHJHRUUAc0tpTA!!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfTFU!?CONTENT_URL=http://www2.ncaa.org/portal/media_and_events/press_room/2007/may/20070525_prop_bkb_rls.html)


If you will excuse me, I have a 1-2-2 Zone clinic to attend....

(Modified to fit the current board width...RT)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 26, 2007, 08:10:24 AM
Old Lion:

I read a number of newspapers everyday before I start work. I like
to keep informed of what's going on the world around me!

The Valdosta paper happens to be number 2 on my list  ;) right after
The Daily Times of Maryville and Mr. Fitzsimmons' articles...

And yes in all modesty, I AM DA MAN....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 28, 2007, 11:45:57 PM
Murvul men ranked 6th in ave. attendance for basketball last season, ahead of Mississippi College and Christopher Newport in the South Region.  See Pat's front page.  I am glad my being somewhere gets counted in a positive way occasionally.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on May 29, 2007, 07:37:03 PM
Congrats to the Murval men... are we sure those numbers aren't inflated a bit, though?  1,474 is a LOT... regardless, congrats!

GSAC attendance figures:

1)  MC men.....      1474
2)  MC women...    562
3)  PC men...         399
4)  PC women...    301
5)  LC men...         242
6)  AS women...    217
7)  LC women...    170
8 )  HC women...    124
9)  HC men...         102
10) WC women...   52
11) SC women...    10???  that can't be right...

How accurate these #'s are, who knows... but it would be just another explanation of why Murval is so tough at home... not sure what their home record is the last few years, but I know it's good.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 29, 2007, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: colincondi on May 29, 2007, 07:37:03 PM


GSAC attendance figures:

1)  MC men.....       1474
2)  MC women...    +562 = 2036


3)  PC men...         399
4)  PC women...    301
5)  LC men...         242
6)  AS women...    217
7)  LC women...    170
8 )  HC women...   124
9)  HC men...         102
10) WC women...    52
11) SC women...   + 10  =    1617

That's interesting.

I would love for Murvul to play regularly in the ASC venues (at some other time than NCAA playoffs   :D ;D :D ).

McMurry women are coming to Murvul in December.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on May 30, 2007, 01:25:02 PM
Lets be honest we all know that attendance at the D3 level is nothing more than a guess at most when it comes to actually knowing how many people are there.  I question whether or not the Scots really had that many people at their games.  It may be a little early, but if a preseason all conference team had to be picked who would yall pick?  And I don't want any of that 8 person all conference mess
....How about we give a First Team and Second Team.....My pick for next years champs are the Panthers from LC with Haynes as the Coach of the YEAR!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 30, 2007, 01:46:24 PM
JohnnyBravo,
Murvul has had strong attendance for the past 10 years.  Randy has started scheduling more games during class time as opposed to when the students are away on break.  Murvul also has great attendance from alumni (myself and the killa), and the rest of the community.  That number seems like a lot, but Boydson Baird Gym seats about 2200 and it is usually about 75% full.  I like to see that kind of support.

And on to all gsac next year, this is a shocker but Alex Bowers will give Baldwin a run for his money in POY, not saying he will take it, but will be a potential candidate.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 30, 2007, 02:41:55 PM
Johnny Bravo,
I like where you head is at!  Demetris Render first ever player to not make all conference in his junior season and then be POY during his senior season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 30, 2007, 04:46:20 PM
Well, While Drew Bailey is at UT, he will only be 15 minutes away from Maryville College and can attend all of the scots home games.  Just another face in the crowd.  Murvul's attendance should be up next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 30, 2007, 05:19:19 PM
Quote from: JohnnyBravo on May 30, 2007, 01:25:02 PM
And I don't want any of that 8 person all conference mess
....How about we give a First Team and Second Team.....

Johnny Bravo for Commissioner of the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 31, 2007, 08:05:00 AM
A bit of news on a former Fighting Scot: http://www.goredhawks.com/

Congrats!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 31, 2007, 10:47:10 AM
Another not big MC recruit.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1994
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on May 31, 2007, 06:55:37 PM
scuttle butt renovation plans for the Cooper Center appear at the moment to include expanding the second level (actually creating it with new roof level to current gym level) that would include a sky box behind the goal(s) as well as new AC
Not sure how far it is through the approval process, etc but from the sound of it would make things even more fan friendly.

I never believe fan attendance for any place that doesn't have an attendant at every turnstyle and haven't seen a D3 yet that uses that system. Its hocus pocus all a cazann create phantom fans without it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 01, 2007, 02:39:51 PM
I have heard the rumors about the A/C, but not about the other renovations.

Do tell more
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 04, 2007, 11:23:21 AM
The renovation ideas sound good!! I honestly would liek to see the Court at Maryville College named after Coach Lambert. Something similiar to what Coack K has at Duke. Lambert Court sounds good to me. Almost 30 years of service to an institution deserves something of that sort.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 04, 2007, 01:40:30 PM
Lambert Court in the Boydson H. Baird Gymnasium of the Cooper Athletic Center.   A mouthful but a good idea!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 04, 2007, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 04, 2007, 01:40:30 PM
Lambert Court in the Boydson H. Baird Gymnasium of the Cooper Athletic Center.   A mouthful but a good idea!
And for a $100,000 gift to the athletic foundation at Maryville College, you can endow the nets on the baskets...

The Scottiedoug Endowed Basketball Net Fund.

I can hear it now.

"That shot from downtown just swished the 'Scottiedoug nets'"! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 05, 2007, 11:20:10 AM
Better that than the "unfriendly rims" cited by people whose shots are not falling.  For 100K's, it could maybe be the backboards or the scoreboards, as in "yes that is the scoreboard."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on June 05, 2007, 09:57:17 PM
I hear there are plans that Huntingdon College got a million dollar grant to renovated the great Brick House this summer so everyone be on the lookout for that

GO HAWKS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on June 06, 2007, 09:42:02 PM
They should take that million dollars and just blow that gym up.  I love old school gyms but Huntingtons is a joke.  I heard if you bang on the bleachers they fall apart because they are not duct taped well enough... :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on June 06, 2007, 11:59:07 PM
wow and what gym do u represent?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on June 07, 2007, 09:07:07 AM
I represent every court where basketball is played my friend.  I am everywhere there is a ball bouncing.  I am a old school type of guy....wait...I guess you could say I am an old man,  it just annoys me when people do not do a good job at keeping up their facilities. 

Also I heard that Lagrange has hired a new GA, Coach Haynes, do you care to shed any light on this rumor I heard.  Who is this guy, is he going to fit well with the Panther program???


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on June 07, 2007, 11:09:37 AM
We did hire a new GA.  He is Mark Butler.  A 6'11" former Newberry College player and was an assistant at Brewton-Parker under the living legend Steve Barker.  He is from Vidalia, GA, he is single and loves long walks on the beach.  He is exactly what we need a true center who can work with our 6'2" post players.  His job this year will be to get someone in our program that can touch his head without using a chair.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 11, 2007, 12:20:51 PM
The Scots might not be as powerful down low with the loss of Bobby and Bradley but they made up for it grabbing two excellent wings! Freshman from GA will be an instant hit with the fans and the team. Can flat out defend and sky!! The other is a Div I transfer who has the ability to average 14-16 and grab 5-7 rebs.. Add Bowers Q, and the return of JJ.. It can get competitive at pratice...

Still missing a dominant big man and a PG!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 11, 2007, 05:05:22 PM
So Killer, when can the name and background of the Mystery Man From Division I be revealed?  This reminds me of whoever it was who teased us with rumors of Bradley Blair's defection from Milligan oh so many years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 12, 2007, 08:37:49 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 11, 2007, 05:05:22 PM
So Killer, when can the name and background of the Mystery Man From Division I be revealed?  This reminds me of whoever it was who teased us with rumors of Bradley Blair's defection from Milligan oh so many years ago.

Doug that was my old friend Breakout that teased you all.  Before there was a Matt Grubb, Breakout and I used to get into it!  I'm afraid I may have run him off the GSAC Board a couple of years ago, unless he is Matt Grubb reincarnated?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 12, 2007, 09:51:20 AM
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/govols/article/0,1406,KNS_294_5581588,00.html (http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/govols/article/0,1406,KNS_294_5581588,00.html)
No Wilburt the Breakout is still around and unfortunately The Grubby One has always been the Grubby One
Just like you i am posting newspaper articles, check it out
this is the summer league in Knoxville this year and there are several MC players who are getting the opportunity to play in this league

Wilburt I had dinner with one of your boys last night, Tony Jones

The Mystery man will be revealed with the start of the season, I am sure
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 12, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
The Killer will be leading the Kingston Alley boys to the rocky Top Championship. We have Chism, Jajuan Smith, Jalen Rose, Stanley Asumu, Logan Johnson to name a few.

Grubby one I hear your the head coach for one of the teams. nice team!! Yarborough, Slay,Howell, and Tabb not a bad four!

Its going to be a lot of fun.. I think the other MC guy who got picked up was Alex Bowers..

See ya there Grubby One..

You will see the D I transfer  roughly around November so be patient!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 12, 2007, 11:46:53 AM
It is not yet November but here are links to MC commitments, including the Transfer Man:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2002

and

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2001

Lots of wings on this bird....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2007, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 12, 2007, 11:46:53 AM
It is not yet November but here are links to MC commitments, including the Transfer Man:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2002

and

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2001

Lots of wings on this bird....


Ben Williamson 2006-07 stats from ETSU

13 minutes in 7 of 34 games (http://www.etsubucs.com/sports/mbball/stats/index.asp?IS_ARCHIVE=Y&SEASON_ID=35)

He is probably hungry for minutes.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on June 12, 2007, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 12, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
The Killer will be leading the Kingston Alley boys to the rocky Top Championship. We have Chism, Jajuan Smith, Jalen Rose, Stanley Asumu, Logan Johnson to name a few.

Grubby one I hear your the head coach for one of the teams. nice team!! Yarborough, Slay,Howell, and Tabb not a bad four!

Its going to be a lot of fun.. I think the other MC guy who got picked up was Alex Bowers..

See ya there Grubby One..

You will see the D I transfer  roughly around November so be patient!!

Killer, can you link a schedule or PM one? You probably have some fans who would like to watch you play again. It'd be fun to watch a game as I think we are having withdrawls waiting for MC's season to start up once again. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 13, 2007, 07:09:29 AM
I would greatly appreciate that! My team name is Kingston Alley and were team #3 on the schedule. Our first game is monday at 7:30pm. I believe Alex Bowers also got picked up but i don't know for what team.

Matt Grubb will be coaching one of the teams. A lot of talent!!


*****2007 ROCKY TOP LEAGUE BASKETBALL SCHEDULE*****
All games will be played at Bearden High School located at 8352 Kingston Pike in Knoxville, Tennessee. Games are every Monday and Wednesday from June 18th thru July 16th at 6:00, 7:30 and 9:00. 


   MON.      JUNE 18               MON.      JULY 16
   1 vs. 2      6:00                  CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND
   3 vs. 4      7:30                  #3 vs. #4   6:00
   5 vs. 6      9:00                  #1 vs. #2   7:30

   WED.      JUNE 20               
   2 vs. 3      6:00                  
   4 vs. 5      7:30                  
   1 vs. 6      9:00                  

   MON.      JUNE 25               
   3 vs. 5      6:00                  
   2 vs. 6      7:30                  
   1 vs. 4      9:00
                  
   WED.      JUNE 27               
   1 vs. 3      6:00                  
   2 vs. 5      7:30                  
   4 vs. 6      9:00                  

   MON.      JULY 2               
   3 vs. 6      6:00                  
   4 vs. 2      7:30                  
   1 vs. 5      9:00                  

   THU.      JULY 5               
   5 vs. 6      6:00                  
   1 vs. 2      7:30                  
   3 vs. 4      9:00                  

   MON.      JULY 9               
   4 vs. 5      6:00                  
   1 vs. 6      7:30                  
   2 vs. 3      9:00                  

   WED.      JULY 11               
   3 vs. 5      6:00                  
   1 vs. 4      7:30                  
   2 vs. 6      9:00         
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 13, 2007, 08:26:06 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 12, 2007, 09:51:20 AM
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/govols/article/0,1406,KNS_294_5581588,00.html (http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/govols/article/0,1406,KNS_294_5581588,00.html)
No Wilburt the Breakout is still around and unfortunately The Grubby One has always been the Grubby One
Just like you i am posting newspaper articles, check it out
this is the summer league in Knoxville this year and there are several MC players who are getting the opportunity to play in this league

Wilburt I had dinner with one of your boys last night, Tony Jones

The Mystery man will be revealed with the start of the season, I am sure


You have got to ask Tony Jones about what many consider one of the GREATEST high school basketball teams ever.  Tony was on the Coaching staff of Southwestern High School in Detroit (his alma mater) that won two State Championships 1990 and 1991 with a record of (55-1). They won the mythical national high school championship in 1991 and the 1991 team produced 3 future NBA players - Jalen Rose, Howard Eisley and Voshon Leonard and several other college players.  That 1991 team could have beaten some college teams!!!   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 13, 2007, 09:17:45 AM
What we talked about the other night was the game in 99 or 2000 when Chris Housewright hit a last second shot to give the scots the victory and Tony said he hit that shot and just had to keep running out of the gym.  I agreed.

He also spoke to how Fisk has the exact same gym that he played in. 
Jalen is playing in the league and he is knoxville quite frequently in the summers.  I have seen him around town several times with Tony.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on June 13, 2007, 12:35:51 PM
Thanks, Killer!! Good luck with your season!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 14, 2007, 08:18:49 AM
Yea Grubb it is the same gym that Tony Jones played in.  Over the years it has been home to a lot of other stellar basketball players from Fisk! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 14, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
A lot of Stellar players that only beat the Scots once in there short stay in the GSAC!! ;) ;)

My boy Grubby One will be coaching at 9pm Monday. He will be goign for his first professional coaching win!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 14, 2007, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 14, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
A lot of Stellar players that only beat the Scots once in there short stay in the GSAC!! ;) ;)

Don't you mean their short stay instead of there short stay?  I guess that Coach Lambert probably doesn't teach English as well as he taught his motion offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 15, 2007, 12:37:42 AM
Now Wilburt, let's not start listing the things coaches do not teach lest we wander into discussions of the teaching, or not, of virtues like discipline and anger management.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2007, 12:56:32 AM
Over on the Future of Division III web site, I have found some NCAA documents and speculate that 2 northwestern Ga NAIA schools come to D3.  This allows Oglethorpe to get the GSAC to an AQ conference and save their travel budget.  (Just some off-season speculation...   ;) )

(Current D1 Centenary LA would join the SCAC.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 15, 2007, 07:35:35 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 15, 2007, 12:37:42 AM
Now Wilburt, let's not start listing the things coaches do not teach lest we wander into discussions of the teaching, or not, of virtues like discipline and anger management.

Good Point Doug.  But one person's anger (as you describe) may be just another person's passion/frustration, particularly when "mysterious fouls" tend to be called out of no where.  But that's neither here nor there [note the correct use of the word there] at this point.  It all depends on your vantage point my friend...

We all have fallen short of the Glory of God!

P.S. Doug, given some things I've heard I hope Fisk will not schedule Maryville again in basketball for a very long time.  I know that's the case with Piedmont.  Sorry about that Old Lion!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 15, 2007, 08:41:26 AM
Dr. Ralph posted this on another board which I think is relevant to DIII athletics and the varying visions for the athletic programs among DIII.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/absolutenm/templates/sports.aspx?articleid=16579&zoneid=6
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 15, 2007, 09:16:27 AM
as always, that article was a great find wilbut
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2007, 01:50:50 PM
Wilburt I appreciate you teaching me some English. Your right Randy didn't teach us English he taught us how to be winners in all aspects of life. At this institution we graduate!! Enought with that..

As for not wanting to play you good!! Will just have to schedule someone us to beat..

Grubby One, Wilburt has issues!! Takes things toooooooooooooooooo serious!! Its all fun and games here.. But were still WINNERS!!! ;) :D ;D :) :o ??? :P
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2007, 01:52:45 PM
Saw some errors in my post.. Put a comma after you and instead of us put else.. Oh and can't start a sentence with But !! Gosh my fault!!

Were still WINNERS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 15, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2007, 01:50:50 PM
Wilburt I appreciate you teaching me some English. Your right Randy didn't teach us English he taught us how to be winners in all aspects of life. At this institution we graduate!! Enought with that..

I think you meant to say You're right Randy didn't teach us English.  BTW, it's not a comma but an apostrophe Mr. Killer. It must be great to be a winner in all aspects of life except English!  Enought (excuse me :D) Enough with that.... This is just too much fun guys, keep posting ...  I'm bored and it's the off-season!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2007, 03:07:26 PM
Dr. Wilburt thank you for pointing out the your  you'repart as well. That is what I love about D3Hoops you get facts on the GSAC season and we have a clown like Wilburt correcting us on our English. Does not get better than that!! Enough was clearly a typing error!!! Haha..

Can someone get my man Wilburt a date!!!!!!!!! Pronto!! ;D

I am going to post something the Grubby One would say: 20-0 in the GSAC and were still WINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :D ;D

From now on I will finish my posts saying get WILBURT A DATE!!!!!!!!!! Love you Wilburt!! 8) :P :-* ;D :D ;) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 15, 2007, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2007, 01:52:45 PM
Were still WINNERS!!!!

Is it were or we're

I kind of like that GSAC Killer "WERE STILL WINNERS!!!!"

Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2007, 03:07:26 PM
I am going to post something the Grubby One would say: 20-0 in the GSAC and were still WINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :D ;D

Not once but you wrote it twice!!! "WERE STILL WINNERS!!!!"

That's my new slogan for you all.  It epitomizes my point!  :D :D :D

Love you too GSAC Killer :-*
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 15, 2007, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: wilburt on June 15, 2007, 07:35:35 AM
P.S. Doug, given some things I've heard I hope Fisk will not schedule Maryville again in basketball for a very long time.  I know that's the case with Piedmont.  Sorry about that Old Lion!

Damn ... a grammar-fest has broken out up in here!

It is with some trepidation that I even venture a reply ... and expose myself to ridicule ... but what the heck, you know what "they say" ... "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."

So I'll reply ... and I'm going to forgo using spell check ... talk about working without a net!

I agree, Wilburt ... I'm sorry about that, as well. I always enjoyed our trips to Nashville.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2007, 08:46:18 PM
Quote from: old_lion on June 15, 2007, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: wilburt on June 15, 2007, 07:35:35 AM
P.S. Doug, given some things I've heard I hope Fisk will not schedule Maryville again in basketball for a very long time.  I know that's the case with Piedmont.  Sorry about that Old Lion!

Damn ... a grammar-fest has broken out up in here!

It is with some trepidation that I even venture a reply ... and expose myself to ridicule ... but what the heck, you know what "they say" ... "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."

So I'll reply ... and I'm going to forgo using spell check ... talk about working without a net!

I agree, Wilburt ... I'm sorry about that, as well. I always enjoyed our trips to Nashville.
The grammar looks appropriate for a message board.  +1 Old Lion!  (And without spellcheck!  That is courageous!)  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 16, 2007, 02:14:05 PM
Wilburt:  I appreciate the link to the Chattanooga paper's story about D3 and Sewanee.  In many ways, your descriptions of Fisk suggest it "ought to be" aligned in this dispute with Sewanee but instead it appears ready to go D2, where it will be associated with many schools with less academic seriousness than your picture of Fisk's.

Fisk is not on Maryville's schedule next year;  from the perspective of a fan that is too bad.  If the interruption in scheduling is because of issues related to the challenges of racism, I am sorry and think that is really not acceptable if we value the things each institution claims to be about.

I bet it is not about commas and apostrophes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on June 16, 2007, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 15, 2007, 12:37:42 AM
Now Wilburt, let's not start listing the things coaches do not teach lest we wander into discussions of the teaching, or not, of virtues like discipline and anger management.

:D Amen, Scottiedoug.

Killer needs grammar check more than spell check. ;) But man, can that guy play ball!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on June 17, 2007, 12:12:53 PM
Figuring Killer's first language is spanish, I will take that....Wilburt, how well are your foreign languages?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on June 17, 2007, 03:07:42 PM
Here's wishing the fathers on this board a happy day!

I hope coachwgh was able to eat at Country's this weekend.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 18, 2007, 08:03:37 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 16, 2007, 02:14:05 PM
Wilburt:  I appreciate the link to the Chattanooga paper's story about D3 and Sewanee.  In many ways, your descriptions of Fisk suggest it "ought to be" aligned in this dispute with Sewanee but instead it appears ready to go D2, where it will be associated with many schools with less academic seriousness than your picture of Fisk's.

Fisk is not on Maryville's schedule next year;  from the perspective of a fan that is too bad.  If the interruption in scheduling is because of issues related to the challenges of racism, I am sorry and think that is really not acceptable if we value the things each institution claims to be about.

I bet it is not about commas and apostrophes.

1.  Yes, it seems like Fisk would be more aligned with Sewanee, and Maryville would be more aligned with NAIA refugees (for lack of a better word)!

2.  There has been a long historical association with the D2 schools of the SIAC.  Fisk was a charter member in 1913 and held membership in the SIAC until 1983 when the conference went exclusive D2. 

When the NCAA and later the NAIA did not allow Black Colleges to join their organizations Black College Conferences like the SIAC were formed in response.  They established their own rules of competition, eligibility and the format for the Black National championships in their respective sports.   So in that respect they are Fisk's peers.  Moreover, for the 70 years Fisk was a member of the SIAC rivalries developed with various schools (ie Fisk- Morehouse, Fisk-Tuskegee) that our alumni have missed. 

On the D3 level Fisk was a member of the SCAC from 1983 to 1994.  Because of the PBK chapter and other factors Fisk's President (and the other SCAC Presidents at the time) considered Fisk their academic peer and were voted into membership into the SCAC.  After Fisk left the SCAC we were a D3 independent for many years until we were invited to join the GSAC in 2000.  The rest as they say is history...

3.  Finally, it is my hope and anticipation that Fisk and Maryville  will no longer compete athletically - period.  [I know that Maryville has released next season's basketball schedule and Fisk is not on it - as I expected.]
 
However, Fisk will be playing Huntingdon next season.  Not sure we will be playing LaGrange in light of the scheduling misunderstanding from last season.  Coach Haynes you can best answer that!

Doug you are correct because it has to deal with way more than commas and apostrophes!  Suffice it to say there's some BAD BLOOD   on both sides. 

P.S.  Old Lion thanks for your reply.  You are nobody's fool! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 18, 2007, 11:16:52 AM
it seems like Fisk has bad blood with more than just maryville in the gsac
and a side not referring to the SIAC
I played ball with their Newcomer of the Year from Stillman last night
Not a bad player but not any different than any of the guys they had when they were in the GSAC and certainly no Miles Thrash
this kid was,again i repeat myself, Newcomer of the Year in the SIAC

and by the way,  We're still winners

I always had the opinion in college athletics that was best verbalized by Sean Connery's character in the movie THE ROCK, you have to imagine it in his accent
"Losers alway whine about their best, winners go home and **** the Prom Queen"
just a great quote
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 18, 2007, 01:21:07 PM
Brent may like Sean Connery but I prefer John Wooden's following quote about college basketball in relation to life:     

"I always tried to make clear that basketball is not the ultimate. It is of small importance in comparison to the total life we live. There is only one kind of life that truly wins, and that is the one that places faith in the hands of the Savior. Until that is done, we are on an aimless course that runs in circles and goes nowhere."

If you have not gathered by now I am a great fan of John Wooden and have read just about everything he has ever written.  He is a true winner!

P.S. I did look at Fisk's  schedule and LaGrange is not on it for next season.

P.S.S.  GSAC Killer "were still winners".  That still cracks me up  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 18, 2007, 03:26:24 PM
"Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability. "-John Wooden
Then I am sure you are familiar with this John Wooden quote Mr. Wilburt
I would apply this quote to the talent level FU's men's basketball has had over the past 10 years and ask how they plan to remedy this in another conference or at another level?
Just like many of the maryville players, not always the best on the floor, but accomplish the most for what they have.
They also do that in the classroom.  The killer is a great example of that, unfortunately, but that guy has beat the odds to be where he is at today.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 18, 2007, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 18, 2007, 03:26:24 PM
I would apply this quote to the talent level FU's men's basketball has had over the past 10 years and ask how they plan to remedy this in another conference or at another level?

That Brent is not your problem and I fail to see why it should be of freakin concern to you at this stage!  Different schools define success in different ways.  You clearly define it by gladiatorial splendor on the basketball court, which is too much for my taste like a D3 hoops version of "Friday Night Lights".  I define it otherwise.  Does it really matter whether you win conference championships in a four-team league when a couple of former "star" players have problems with fundamental grammar?  Is your collective self-esteem so low that the only thing you can be proud of is a "winning" athletic program?  It's all about priorities... 

I like Old Lion's comment:  Damn a grammar-fest has broken out up in here! That was too funny  :D :D

P.S. Quit whining about Killer.  I thought only losers whine about their best - per Sean Connery.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 18, 2007, 04:27:22 PM
their is a difference in whining and gloating
you didn't even compliment my use of a John Wooden quote.
Wilburt in my last several posts i have inserted a hyperlink and used a great quote.  I am learning and getting better and you are not even noticing.  I don't feel appreciated.
btw,  I have a great job.  thanks MC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on June 18, 2007, 09:17:03 PM
Willy,

Your once insightful posts are becoming more and more irrelavent.  If you continue to point to the grammer of two alums posting on a message board, you are really not helping your argument.  You obviously have little respect for Matt and Killer.  However, the two of them are clearly under your skin.  I smile as I picture each of them looking forward to checking the post board to see how mad they've made you this time. 

As far as your lofty portrayal of Fisk as an academic summit and Maryville as a jock factory, I'm afraid you are terribly mistaken.  I haven't paid for the publications that list all of the data, but I don't think there is much difference between the admission standards of the two schools.  A quick look at the (qualitative) admissions descriptions on the websites of both schools show much more in common than not.  I know, you're going to throw out the name of that academic society that you've mentioned a couple hundred times on these boards.  Somehow it makes Fisk a better place than other schools.  I have two degrees.  Two times in school I made a grade below A.  I was invited to plenty of societies and honors groups.  What I found is that all of them serve the sole purpose of self promotion.  They do not enrich anything.  They simply try to justify separating oneself from others, in an attempt to feel superior. 

Maryville is not perfect.  As a proud alumnus, there are plenty of things to complain about.  I'm sure Fisk is a great school.  It may be "better" than Maryville, I d not know.  However, your constant elitist attitude towards my school is ignorant and unwarrented. 

You really need to realize that this is a basketball message board.  Thus, the topics generally are going to focus around the following:

1. basketball teams
2. the success of these teams
3. wins and losses
4. who wins more
5. who beats who
6. the conduct of these teams on the court
7. recruits for these teams
8. the gyms that the teams play in
9.
10

You fill in the rest.  That can be your assignment.

So, when someone points out that they have beat you more than you have beat them, please realize that this is a basketball message board.  If you do not enjoy basketball talk, go start a forum about elitist minded academics who think that their own personal gains are more important than learning to sacrifice for the success of a team.

P.S. I did not spell or grammer check this post.  So, if it pleases you, please do your best to demean me by correcting any errors you find.  (I never was good at the comma thing)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on June 18, 2007, 09:54:17 PM
I just wrote a really great post responding to Willy's comment about Maryville and NAIA refugees that I lost because my baby was crying and my session timed out.  It was well developed and insightful.  Take my word for it. ..but, it's late and I don't want to retype it. 

I'll say this.  Maryville is small school athletics.  Budgets are small.  Off season workouts are light and informal.  Extra financial aid for athletes...you've got to be kidding me.  Professors give zero slack to athletes.  But, on the field our teams will work to win and are proud of their success.  That's the way it should be.

Maybe Fisk and Sewanee should join the "We think we're too good for the other schools we've been playing against league".

One ironic note concerning the Swanee article; they just fired a soccer coach for a losing season.  It seems quite bizarre that they would fire a coach for a losing season in a "minor" sport if they are truly focused on the small school athletics thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 19, 2007, 07:46:30 AM
Good Morning GSAC Board:

Quote from: mattgrubb on June 18, 2007, 04:27:22 PM
their is a difference in whining and gloating
Yes, there is! Sorry I couldn't resist...

Quote from: scotswin on June 18, 2007, 09:17:03 PM
You really need to realize that this is a basketball message board. 
.
I didn't know that thanks for telling me.  I'll keep that in mind. 

Quote from: scotswin on June 18, 2007, 09:17:03 PM
  However, your constant elitist attitude towards my school is ignorant and unwarrented. 
Since you fail to comment on this is it safe to assume that you would agree that Killer's and Grubb's constant elitist attitude and frequent insults directed towards my school are also ignorant and unwarranted? Did that ever cross your mind? Or do you excuse and/or condone them as just basketball related talk? What's good for the goose must be good for the gander my friend.  You look at my responses and commented (well I may add) on them but failed to comment nor critique what possibly provoked it!

Or is this a classic example of "we can dish it out but we can't take it" (or won't take it from Wilburt)?

P.S. Yes, Grubb I enjoyed your John Wooden quote!   

P.S.S.  You guys really did miss me from this board. I am honored.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 19, 2007, 09:26:38 AM
We did miss you
here are some comments related to off season bball, i will be back bothering willy here in a minute

The summer league started last night and the Killer was ballin' for an old man

Alex Bowers had a good showing for D3 ball at the elite level.   By the end of the league, i predict Bowers will be looked at as one of the most effective players on his team

on my team, man, i got a steal of a player on a Sewanee kid
he was my 2nd leading scorer last, we were missing 3 starters but he balled last night against a 6'11 guy who played at Marquette
This kid can play
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 19, 2007, 01:17:49 PM
Here is the link to Marcus' article in the Daily Times about Killer and Alex Bowers and Matt (oops, Brent) and the D3 people who are playing/coaching in Knoxville's Big Time summer league:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2009

This board is much more interesting with Wilburt than without.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on June 19, 2007, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 19, 2007, 01:17:49 PM
This board is much more interesting with Wilburt than without.
very true
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 19, 2007, 05:34:22 PM
The Grubby One has a secret crush on Wilburt, not a mancrush, more of an E-crush
Get ready for tomorrow, the grubby one has 2 of his starters who missed last night's game, so i will have 4 instead of 2 of my top players
this league is the grubby one's for the taking and i will run a box and one on both the killer and bowers, box on killer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 20, 2007, 08:37:16 AM
I'm the guy you East Tennesseans "love to hate."  You ultimately find a lot of truth and insight in what I say - once you think about it!  Don't deny it... 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 20, 2007, 10:23:11 AM
the Grubby One had a chance to give a shout out to many of his D3 disciples that are playing in this league as the Grubby One did a guest celebrity radio appearance this morning.
I gave big ups to Alex Bowers and my guy Ben Pursell
sorry killer, you are too old and i am coming after you on monday
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 20, 2007, 11:09:50 AM
Wilburt you are correct. 

We do "ultimately find a lot of truth and insight" in what you write.   What that really means depends on what "a lot" means.   A tablespoon of salt is not "a lot" but it can mess up a batch of cookies.

Scotties are skilled at picking stuff out of other stuff, so we do appreciate you!  Or maybe I am only writing for myself.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 20, 2007, 12:10:53 PM
Wilburt I love you maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!! I appreciate your help with my English skills.. ;) :D

It is not all about sports at MC!! Coach L must have graduated 95% of his players since he took over in 1980. What is the graduation rate at Fisk?
Grubby one I did my thing on Monday!! I just wanted to represent our school in the right way so that potential recruits can see that D3 ball has some good players. I was really proud of Alex and how he played.
84 points at half!! No defense!!!

By the way 5-0 against Fisk!! haha.. Wilburt have some fun my friend. You take things to serious!! :) ;) :D ;D

Oh Yea thanks for stopping by and showing the killer some love..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 20, 2007, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 20, 2007, 12:10:53 PM
Wilburt have some fun my friend.
I did have some fun Killer, unfortunately for you it was at your expense!

P.S. Thanks for the love Doug.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 20, 2007, 02:49:29 PM
If Robert Duvall's character from "Apocalypse Now" was here to witness the ongoing "discussions" between Wilburt and the Murvul faithful ... I'm sure he would paraphrase his famous comment about napalm ... as in ...

"I love the smell of urine in the morning ... it smells like victory!"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 21, 2007, 12:45:09 PM
The killer looked good last night, but his team was defeated by Bowers and his team.  Alex had a nice dunk towards the end of the game.

Monday night the Grubby One takes on the killer, but the killer is going to have the opportunity to dish the rock to Jalen Rose.

prediction on the final score

The Grubby One's team 167   The Killer's Team 38
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on June 22, 2007, 12:00:35 AM
 ;D Those young whippersnappers'll get ya everytime, Killer!  ;)

I'm hoping to see a won Monday night for the Killer. I'll predict 121- 118.

Can't help it...his style at PG made me fall in love with the game all over again.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 22, 2007, 11:37:31 AM
yeah, well we are going to exploit his jump shot on monday, make him hit it

This Jalen Rose guy is not going to like playing in the killers shadow!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on June 22, 2007, 12:40:50 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 22, 2007, 11:37:31 AM
yeah, well we are going to exploit his jump shot on monday, make him hit it

This Jalen Rose guy is not going to like playing in the killers shadow!
How full has the gym been?  I'd like to come watch on Monday.  How early do you recomend getting there?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 22, 2007, 02:01:07 PM
probably need to be there by 5:30 on monday to get a good seat b/c it has been packed and when everyone gets word that Raul is going to be there on monday, it will be a mad house.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on June 22, 2007, 07:12:57 PM
What else could they expect? Seeing Raul for free?! What a deal!! I'm telling you, people still sit in the stands and talk about Raul! Of course, that may be because we don't have a real PG yet. Or could have been because Bo let his hair grow in and lost the Raul look  ;)--either way, Raul has a fan base and MC loved him.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 25, 2007, 07:16:53 AM
Grubby One it will be a good game tonight!! Hopefully Jalen can show up. I agree with the Grubby One about getting to the game at 5:30pm. It has been packed both nights.

Well good luck tonight my friend!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 25, 2007, 12:36:19 PM
jalen will not be there, but who would the people rather see?
I think the killer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 25, 2007, 12:45:57 PM
Grubby one YOU ARE THE MAN!!!

Is Yarbo back from Germany? It should be a good game!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 26, 2007, 09:31:41 AM
The Grubby One is on top and that is the way the killer likes it!
First Tennessee beats Kingston Alley 112-110
The killer played well, but he is in a tough situation.  he has three guys on his team that refuse to pass the ball.  The killer is doing a lot to help the reputation of MC basketball around Knoxville and so is bowers.

On a side note, my guy, Ben Pursell of Sewanee, had two bid dunks in the first half last night, including a poster of someone from the Kingston Alley team.  This kid from Sewanee can play.  Who knew they had bball on the mountain.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 26, 2007, 10:51:58 AM
AMEN BROTHER!!!

It was a great game. Your guys play unselfish basketball while we have 3 guys taking 60-70 shots combine!!!!!!! And they are not hitting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See you Wednesday!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 27, 2007, 10:36:49 AM
I can't believe the responses to this summer league the killer and i are involved in.  BTW, I beat the killer.  There is a different article everyday in the knoxville news sentinel and i am sure Wilburt has seen them b/c he reads 186 different newspapers which is quite impressive.  I know the news sentinel will not do an article on this subject, but i still think the greatest benefit from this league will not be seen at Thompson Boling Arena.  I think it will be seen at Boydson Baird or at Sewanee or Carson Newman or Tusculum.  These small college kids are getting great experience against these big time players.  The biggest things they are learning are:
1.  how to play under control at a faster pace
2.  how to take a hit
3.  how to be strong against a bigger stronger guy
4.  how to finish strong against great shot blockers
5.  how to finish a game b/c all of my games have been close

these small college kids have a great advantage over their piers that are not in this league.  Also, Alex and the killer are making a great name for maryville college basketball in knoxville.  i have had several people tell me or ask me that/if the killer played for Buzz Peterson.  Hopefully, Lambert will have an easier time recruiting local talent b/c of the exposure of his best players at this league.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 27, 2007, 12:05:24 PM
I appreciate the love my fellow fighting scot. This recognition is going to be great for our school. I hope Bowers can continue to play at this high level throughout the regular season, when it counts!!

Grubby One July 11th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rematch!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on June 27, 2007, 12:51:38 PM
A couple observations on the Killer-Grubb game on Monday:

-Grubb's kid from Sewanee may be the most athletic dIII players I've ever seen.  Yes, even more athletic than Tummel.
-Killer did play pretty well and his team does throw up some crazy shots.  If you think it looks like Jauan smith plays pick-up type ball when you se him on ESPN, imagine what he does in a summer league in a high school gym.
-Grubb needs to bench Slay.  Talk about some poor shot choices...
-Other than Slay, grubb's team was well organized for this type of league.  It even seamed like they were running sets every once in a while.
-That gym is too hot.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 28, 2007, 08:26:02 AM
Another loss for Team Kingston Alley(1-3)..

Grubby's team loss last night. They were minus Slay but had oportunities throughout the game to pull of a win. Alex played good last night. Getting more comfortable with his team.

We got Lofton Monday!! Lucky us!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on June 28, 2007, 09:34:44 AM
Well, I is more happier to have been back on this hear page than proper grammatical words can expressiate! 

Let a man go on vacation for a while and miss all the excitement.  This was "must see posting".  I shall dabble into the previous events that I have missed.

Division IV?  I don't care!  Are we keeping score? Then let's play!  They can't restrict my ability to run a proper program anymore than what they already are. (Maybe?)  When you look back in history and see things that have changed it brings about questions about what lies ahead of us.  Will there eventually be an abolishment of small college athletics due to funding and philosophical differences?  Will there ever be a female player in the NBA ? Will Maryville ever have a losing record? 

Summer leagues are an awesome tool for basketball players.  There is no secret to being a better basketball player...you have to play!  Our guys played in a local league last summer and you could see the effects immediately.  Tonight starts my summer season.  I spent two hours in the gym last night getting rid of two weeks of south florida sunshine.  You should see me.  I am more tan than killa, almost wilburt.  The local league is very good for a town the size of LaGrange.  There are 12 teams and at least 10 of them have former/current college players.  Our team notables are of course myself, Lomax, new GA Mark Butler 6'11", two recent alums Maddox and Lawrence, Jay Mitchell(local kid with a story that goes something like this...younger brother Blake is QB at South Carolina, 3yrs Rockies org. pitcher, 1yr Gulf Coast CC, 1yr Texas Tech, currently at Kennesaw, will be at LaGrange before it is all over) 6'7" 240 3Man, Mark Isenhour(if you haven't heard the good news go to the women's GSAC board).  We will take all out of town challenges. 

We couldn't get any good dates for Fisk next season.  We will try again for 08-09 though. 

Ben Pursell is very good!  He can expect a double team next season. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 28, 2007, 11:28:27 AM
Tan is good!! I am very excited and happy for Mark. He derserves an opportunity and I know he will do a great job. Great guy..

Coach Haynes good luck in your league games. Maybe if we had the Grubby one as our coach we would be 4-0!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 28, 2007, 03:06:44 PM
the Grubby one would trade 2 of his players to get the Killer and he would even trade half a player to get bowers.
I see a potential matchup of bringing Coach Haynes team to maryville for a possible game.  His guys vs. the killer, The Grubby One, Sid Ellis, Tom Gallaher, Chris Housewright, Bobby Golden, jacob Deal, and Spencer Beaty.

Wanna have a fundraiser?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on June 28, 2007, 07:09:52 PM
Grubby, you are a money raising machine!  I would play that game, but not in Maryville.  That's the way you get all the suckas.  How about in LaGrange on the day Maryville football comes to town.  I will even turn the fan on in Mariotti so no one passes out from that lovely GA heat. 

Killa, Mark may want some advice from you on working with the women.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 29, 2007, 10:00:52 AM
Coach,
I am in Rome,GA twice a month, I actually played with Dale about 2 months ago.  How about a neutral site?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on June 30, 2007, 10:56:19 PM
I am sure there is lots of talk about the Rocky Top Basketball league, but I am too lazy to read it.  How is it going Raul and Grubb?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 02, 2007, 09:14:21 AM
Tell Mark I would gladly help him in anything he may need. Grubby One the Killa needs a Win tonight!! The Killa has never lost 4 game sin a row in his life!!!!!
By the way the Killa is ranked 2nd in FT percentage in the league at 92%.. If there was an AST category you know the Killa would be #1. I have three guys averaging 20 plus shots a game..

See you tonight!! ;) We need to get the ball rolling on the alumni game. The whole GSAC should get an Alumni All Star Team to challenge us!!lol
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on July 02, 2007, 11:34:04 AM
Coach don't tempt the fates with they can't restrict me more than they already do. Remember it wasn't that long ago they made football teams hold spring drills where they couldn't use a football. They're nutty enough to mandate practices be limited to paper wads at the office trash can.

Rocky Top League has shown so far that the smaller school guys can play right there with the D1 guys and from a fundamentals perspective look much better. The down-side of the hype for UT may be breaking the slew of bad habits these guys are showcasing out there.

Killer how long is the 'season' and is there and ending tourney? The league organizers haven't been bursting with organizational info for us poor media members.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 02, 2007, 11:58:10 AM
Two weeks left of regular season games and then the Top 4 teams advance to the playoffs.

I totally agree with the statement that most of the guys are holding their own. By the way UT is as talented as any Top 10 College team next year but they must now play the Top Dog Role instead of the underdog role they have had these past two years. Teams are coming for them this year and I don't know if being so deep is a great thing.
A lot of egos next year!!!!

I am not a big Vol fan anyways ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 02, 2007, 03:19:41 PM
I will be attending the games tonight to see what this is all about.  Coach em up Watts.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 02, 2007, 05:56:48 PM
I forgot to let everyone know that we did win our league game last week and have another tomorrow night.  I saw a report on CSS about the Rocky league and the gym was packed.  It looks like it is a blast to play in.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 03, 2007, 07:29:12 AM
Its is a blast when you are WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never lost four games in a row in my life!!!!! Coach Haynes I have a question for you, and respond to it as a Coach: If one of your players hits his first 3 threes and misses his next 17, would you not tell him maybe by his 10th miss in a row TO STOP SHOOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides that I think Alex and I have represented our school to the best of our abilities!! Stanley Asumu would not start at Maryville next year or when I played. I have never seen an athlete with that much ability miss so many LAY-UPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watts Slay is a KILLA!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 03, 2007, 08:24:05 AM
Nice article on the Huntingdon College Band.  Do they for the basketball games as well?

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007706300324
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 03, 2007, 09:47:43 AM
Very true Killer.  I was at the first two games.  Man John Higgins still has the stroke.  he was draining the 3's and crossed this poor kid up so bad he fell on his butt.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 03, 2007, 02:32:18 PM
for the record, I am better than higgs now and when he was at UT, killer back me up
Secondly, this league is about to heat up with all the UT kids leaving for the summer break
now the small college kids can take over, which is much better bball, but a lot less dunks
The 2 maryville kids, Gaskin and Tipton played good last night, should be scots, but not as good as the killer
Killer, i sympathize with your frustrations, attendance would solve all of your problems
Spencer, thanks for staying for my game

yarbrough is confirmed for thursday.  With Slay and Yarbrough i should wrap this league up.
Go First Tennessee Bank
Sorry Killer, Kingston Alley is garbage, maybe you should quit passing
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 03, 2007, 11:45:31 PM
Well Grubb you are not the shooter that higgins is.  I had to leave your game cause I was getting ready to move to Maryville High School and become the assistant coach/gym teacher.  Congrats to the real Beaty.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 04, 2007, 07:20:40 AM
Killa, I usually have a five shot rule...if you have hit five in a row then you can miss your next five in a row but if you miss five in a row first, it is time to spend five minutes with me in the chairs. 

Happy Independence Day!! It is really amazing when you think this country was founded without indoor plumbing and has come all the way to the iphone. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 04, 2007, 03:54:06 PM
I agree Coach Haynes. Happy 4th to all!!

As to the John Higgins-Watts comparison, and I am being serious, I would take Watts. We murdered those cats in our normal Adult league games. Higgins and his UT boys got nothing on us Fighting Scots. I got your back Grubby one!!

Kingston Alley does suck!!! We still have a chance if we win our last 3!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 04, 2007, 06:19:02 PM
well i do not have a comparison on the watts/higgins analogy.  I haven't seen him play in a while and the only time I have seen higgins was when he drilled 4 straight 3's and made a kid trip over his own feet after a crossover.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 05, 2007, 07:41:21 AM
ScottieDoug:  Since you are a history buff like myself this link is an article  on Henry Kean that you may appreciate.  A Fisk alum and former football coach and athletic director at Tennessee State.  Kean's Little Garden (TSU former gym) was named after him.  I believe the 2005 GSAC tournament was played in there as well if my memory serves correct... 

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707041137

P.S. Coach Haynes interesting thought on the five shot rule.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 05, 2007, 09:22:29 AM
sounds like the killer's coach needs to hit his team with reality, you are not winning
that is pretty much what i do with mine and they respond well
the problem with my team is attendance
Tonight will be the first night i have my top 5 draft picks there
i have been without at least 2 of the top 5 every game

Spencer, how many times have you seen me dunk on fools and drain numerous 3's?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 05, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 04, 2007, 03:54:06 PM
Kingston Alley does suck!!!

Hmmm... I guess there is a little different perspective when you're not on "the best team in the league"?

In other words, it's a little easier to be positive, enthusiastic, and successful (a winner) when the odds are consistently stacked in your favor.

I'm going to be consistent though ... even though I've never seen Kingston Alley play, I'm still going to maintain that it is theoretically possible that they just might have a few "winners" on their roster ...

Maybe I'm being too vague ... here is my point.

Killer, you were "a winner" at Murvul ... and I seriously doubt if that has changed now that your team is less dominant. I believe the "winning is the only thing" Murvul faithful would do well to keep that in mind when judging other players who have not experienced the good fortune of being a Fighting Scot.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 05, 2007, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: wilburt on July 05, 2007, 07:41:21 AM
ScottieDoug:  Since you are a history buff like myself this link is an article  on Henry Kean that you may appreciate.  A Fisk alum and former football coach and athletic director at Tennessee State.  Kean's Little Garden (TSU former gym) was named after him.  I believe the 2005 GSAC tournament was played in there as well if my memory serves correct... 

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707041137

Wilburt: Thanks for sharing ... I'm also a history buff and enjoy your "history lessons", as well. Sounds like Allan Houston came from an impressive gene pool ... athletic and otherwise.

Here are a couple of other links (re Allan Houston) you may find interesting. It appears he's a "class act" ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/07/AR2006080701331.html
http://pr.tennessee.edu/news/release.asp?id=1654

It's a shame more big money, pro athletes aren't similarly devoting their resources to such positive causes.

I must admit though, there is one aspect of the UT scholarships that concerns me ...

"The Wade Houston Scholarships will be awarded to four African American undergraduate students at the Knoxville campus."

I'd be more impressed if the racial qualifier had been omitted. I'm certain worthy candidates from a variety of ethnic backgrounds could easily be found. Can you imagine the (justifiable) outrage if someone announced plans to establish scholarships exclusively for white students? Yeah, I know ... that's the way things were for years. That doesn't make it right ... then, or now. Hey, either you want a level playing field or you don't ... I know, it's not that simple. But it should be.

OK, that's enough ... I'll put away my soap box for awhile. I hate the off season. Only three and half months until October 15th.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 05, 2007, 01:28:39 PM
Old Lion,
Winning is a habit and it is a lot easier when you are winning.  It has not always been that way at maryville.  Losing at Maryville can be considered 16-9 in a season.  i was there for that.  Also, my team is 2-3 and i am as positive as it gets.  That is how First tennessee rolls.  In order to become a positive winner, you have to be positive and then win.  In that order b/c it won't work in the reverse order.  yeah, it sucks when you are nothing  but positive and a loser, but that is the only way to stop being a loser one day.  "Winning is an expectation and you players tend to meet their own expectations"-The Grubby One
I predict a victory for First Tennessee tonight and a loss for Kingston Alley b/c i have all my guys tonight and we expect to hammer Toyota of Knoxville aka Chris Lofton's team.  And for those of you who are not in knoxville, Just like Ron Burgundy, chris lofton is kind of a big deal around here.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 05, 2007, 01:54:50 PM
Old Lion:

Allen Houston is a class act.  As far as the scholarships, we will have to debate that at another time.  I will say this though, Sen. Kerry's wife (Teresa Heinz) was born in East Africa (Mozambique I think) and then became a U.S. citizen.  So even though she is white, she technically is an African-American because of the continent of her birth and citizenship prior to becoming an American. 

Food for thought...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 05, 2007, 04:39:08 PM
Wilburt,
I know an african american artist that gets much more play in the Pike house than the Nupe house.  Dave Matthews was born in South Africa.  Making him eligible for the scholarship as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 06, 2007, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on July 05, 2007, 01:28:39 PM
Old Lion,
Winning is a habit and it is a lot easier when you are winning.  It has not always been that way at maryville.  Losing at Maryville can be considered 16-9 in a season.  i was there for that.  Also, my team is 2-3 and i am as positive as it gets.  That is how First tennessee rolls.  In order to become a positive winner, you have to be positive and then win.  In that order b/c it won't work in the reverse order.  yeah, it sucks when you are nothing  but positive and a loser, but that is the only way to stop being a loser one day.  "Winning is an expectation and you players tend to meet their own expectations"-The Grubby One

You make several good points, Grubby One.

My point continues to be that I'd like to see the "winning is the only thing" contingent from Murvul show a little more restraint re automatically discounting the abilities of those who are not part of a perennially winning program. That's all.

No man is an island.
   --  John Donne (1572-1631) --
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 06, 2007, 11:13:21 AM
Quote from: wilburt on July 05, 2007, 01:54:50 PM
Old Lion:

As far as the scholarships, we will have to debate that at another time.  I will say this though, Sen. Kerry's wife (Teresa Heinz) was born in East Africa (Mozambique I think) and then became a U.S. citizen.  So even though she is white, she technically is an African-American because of the continent of her birth and citizenship prior to becoming an American. 

Food for thought...

Well that's interesting ... but if it has any relevance to what I feel is a disappointing qualifier placed on said scholarships, then I'm missing something. Surely you're not suggesting that a white person who happened to be born in Africa might be awarded one of the scholarships ... as opposed to a black person who happened to be born in say ... England, for instance ... and therefore would be considered ineligible? With all due respect Wilburt, it seems to me that race, not one's birth continent, was the qualifier here.

Anyway, let me take another shot at succinctly making my point. (Sorry, I've never be very good at "succinct".)

IMHO, if we all truly would like to see us evolve more towards a society where race is no longer used as an arbitrary and illogical factor on which we discriminate ... maybe we should all (white, black, or whatever) stop using race as an arbitrary factor on which we discriminate. (It sort of reminds me of two little unruly kids sitting in the back of Mom's SUV ... one says, "Mama, Mama ... make him quit hitting me! Oh, but by the way Mother, I'd like to reserve the right to keep hitting him." Uh uh Timmy, that doesn't seem quite right. I know, I know ... it's not that simple. But it should be.)

IMHO, that sort of behavior is just as unfair, distasteful, pick your own adjective ... regardless of the race of the person who happens to be engaging in it at the time. But that's just my opinion ...



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 06, 2007, 11:29:01 AM
Congratulations to Robby Lawrence for being invited to be involved with the Hawks summer league team.
http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Hawks_To_Participate_In_2007_RMR_070507.html

Coach Haynes, how did that happen???

I knew some of our DIII guys could play a little bit ... and, IMHO, are often not afforded the appropriate level of respect in comparison to some of their "less Roman-numeraled" NCAA brethren ...

But I must admit, I was still a little surprised to see one of them listed as even a possibility for an NBA summer league team. Wow ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 06, 2007, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: old_lion on July 06, 2007, 09:53:02 AM
My point continues to be that I'd like to see the "winning is the only thing" contingent from Murvul show a little more restraint re automatically discounting the abilities of those who are not part of a perennially winning program. That's all.

No man is an island.
   --  John Donne (1572-1631) --

1. Old Lion the "winning is the only thing" contingent  from East Tennessee can't help themselves.  That contingent has a higher than ordinary psychological need to brag and boast from time to time in the name of just having fun!

2. Teresa Heinz was just food for thought to give a little levity to your remarks...  I will give you my more serious remarks in a PM later!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2007, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: old_lion on July 06, 2007, 11:29:01 AM
Congratulations to Robby Lawrence for being invited to be involved with the Hawks summer league team.
http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Hawks_To_Participate_In_2007_RMR_070507.html

Coach Haynes, how did that happen???

I knew some of our DIII guys could play a little bit ... and, IMHO, are often not afforded the appropriate level of respect in comparison to some of their "less Roman-numeraled" NCAA brethren ...

But I must admit, I was still a little surprised to see one of them listed as even a possibility for an NBA summer league team. Wow ...
It's gotta be the coaching!  ;)  :D  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 06, 2007, 12:05:08 PM
Quote from: wilburt on July 06, 2007, 11:34:46 AM
Teresa Heinz was just food for thought to give a little levity to your remarks...  I will give you my more serious remarks in a PM later!

Gotcha ... I apologize. Apparently, my "levity radar" was not working properly.

My only excuse is that this is a topic I do take seriously.

What I find particularly galling are the numerous examples of illogical and inconsistent interpretations of what is considered unacceptable behavior for one group, while similar behavior is considered acceptable for another group.

I would like to hear your more serious thoughts.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 06, 2007, 01:32:02 PM
How did lawrence really get invited?
Who did he know?
Like i knew a kid who played at Penn State, can't spell his name, Kline-Heard or something, who got invited b/c his father was an assistant with the Hawks
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 08, 2007, 08:44:20 AM
Robby's family knows someone in the organization and he and Antoine have been working out with one of their scouts/trainers for the last three months.  It is not a done deal yet.  He has to participate in a physical and two days of two-a-days before leaving on Thursday but I don't think they are going to take all the people on the list.  Robby understands that he is not a typical NBA player but will hopefully get other opportunities from this experience.  He and Antione are slated to be in the NBDL free agent camp that happens in Dallas later this month.  Antoine was supposed to be joining Robby but the Hawks added Pettway from Michigan who is from Griffin, GA.  Getting an opportunity to play post college and get paid is a difficult thing to do.  There are a lot of politics and favors being called in that effect the outcomes.  I don't however see it outside the realm of possibility that both of them could be playing in Europe next year.  They are athletic and they can defend and score but most importantly they won't be closing down the bars in whatever city they happed to play in and will absolutely out work anybody out there.  I wish they had more eligibility!!!!!

Ralph, it makes me feel real good about what I try to do with our program.  It isn't for everybody but it definitely was for these two guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 08, 2007, 07:31:10 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on July 08, 2007, 08:44:20 AM
Robby's family knows someone in the organization and he and Antoine have been working out with one of their scouts/trainers for the last three months.  It is not a done deal yet.  He has to participate in a physical and two days of two-a-days before leaving on Thursday but I don't think they are going to take all the people on the list.  Robby understands that he is not a typical NBA player but will hopefully get other opportunities from this experience.  He and Antione are slated to be in the NBDL free agent camp that happens in Dallas later this month.  Antoine was supposed to be joining Robby but the Hawks added Pettway from Michigan who is from Griffin, GA.  Getting an opportunity to play post college and get paid is a difficult thing to do.  There are a lot of politics and favors being called in that effect the outcomes.  I don't however see it outside the realm of possibility that both of them could be playing in Europe next year.  They are athletic and they can defend and score but most importantly they won't be closing down the bars in whatever city they happed to play in and will absolutely out work anybody out there.  I wish they had more eligibility!!!!!

Ralph, it makes me feel real good about what I try to do with our program.  It isn't for everybody but it definitely was for these two guys.
Coach Haynes, I was walking past a TV the other night showing the Sonics/Mavs developmental game and recognized Sam Presti (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=1126) sitting in the stands.

You never know when another D3 player will show up in the NBA. ;)

Good luck to Robby.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 09, 2007, 11:05:05 AM
Good for them!! I hope it work sout for them. I will tell you from experience if they don't mind playing in the middle of nowhere for not a lot of money then go for it. It is pretty difficult to get a good gig coming from a small school.

I wish them the best.. Great kids!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 09, 2007, 01:22:42 PM
most of all, maybe it can help coach haynes's recruiting efforts.  It has got to be great publicity for his program.
Keep up the good work Coach Haynes and maybe i will come down for another game next year, watching Randy's 500th in person was worth the drive
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 10, 2007, 10:15:14 AM
Good game last night! We have won two in a row. Had 21pts and 12ast last night against Childress, Tatum and MC's own Alex "BowWOW" Bowers.. I took 15 shots thanks to JAJUAN SMITH NOT SHOWING UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we beat matt grubb's team Wednesday we make the playoffs if not the playoff picture gets all messed up. 4 team will end up tied for third!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 11, 2007, 09:11:30 AM
The Killa is going for the win tonight against Grubby's Team!!

It will be a battle. Hopefully Jajuan and Chism won't show up. 2-0 without them!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 11, 2007, 10:45:16 AM
hopefully you won't so my team will roll
the grubby one will have his gear there in case his soldiers need their general to set foot on the battlefield and dominate
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 11, 2007, 02:15:32 PM
You should play!! Your better than half these jokers anyways!!

Good luck tonight!! I am having a great day!! We should go out to celebrate after the game!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 11, 2007, 04:19:52 PM
Party after the game for whoever wants to come
Coach Haynes that gives you exactly enough time to get to knoxville from Lagrange, we will start partying about 8
come on
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2007, 08:36:24 AM
http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/SPORTS/70712025


Just wanted to let the Grubby One that yesterdays game was probably the most exciing game of the League. We came back from being down 26 to win by double digits. 37 poitn turnaround in the second half!! Here is an article on the league and the games.
http://govolsxtra.com/news/2007/jul/12/time-listen-motivated-jajuan-smith/

The Killa had 10pts and 16ast!! http://govolsxtra.com/news/2007/jul/10/pilot-rocky-top-league-statistics/ (stats from the other night)..

By the way Kingston Alley finished in 3rd place while Grubby Ones Team finished dead last!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 12, 2007, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2007, 08:36:24 AM
http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/SPORTS/70712025

Congratulations Killer!

BTW, what happened with Beaty? Why did he resign after only one season?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 12, 2007, 09:41:30 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2007, 08:36:24 AM
http://govolsxtra.com/news/2007/jul/10/pilot-rocky-top-league-statistics/ (stats from the other night)..

136 to 134???

What's the deal? Do you guys play 3, 20 minute halves?  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2007, 10:12:03 AM
Regulation 20 minute halves. NO DEFENSE until the last 5 minutes of the game!!

I appreciate it!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2007, 10:13:48 AM
I believe he got a Wellness job at Maryville High School and be a volunteer for the basketball program.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2007, 10:22:34 AM
Will be a volunteer for the basketball program.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 12, 2007, 11:13:21 AM
The Grubby One had no answer for the killer's leadership or his age
In a twist of Fate, the Grubby One was asked to Coach K. Alley on monday since there coach will be on vacation
The Grubby One will officially bench the killer for gloating on this board
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 12, 2007, 12:53:21 PM
Grubby One!! ;D
Just wanted to let you know we outscored you 75 to 43 in the second half!! If you would have picked me up instead of those clowns you might have not finished in last place!!!!  ;)

By the way Stanley Asumu can touch the sky!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 12, 2007, 02:13:17 PM
good, he should be a high jumper b/c he is not a basketball player
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 12, 2007, 03:23:00 PM
Man -- there are so many posts on this board and yet so little actually GSAC basketball content.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 12, 2007, 07:21:42 PM
Killer way to go on the new job.  For Pat's sake, maybe you can encourage some of your budding stars to play for the Scots and in the GSAC/

I have been unable to learn whether Randy has any opinion or energy to deal with the DIII DIV issues.  Any other GSAC news on that subject?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 13, 2007, 11:39:01 AM
gsac alumni and/or current player happenings
The killer is a baller
Alex Bowers showed he can flat out play in the Rocky Top League, but he did not get used effectively.  He could have shown a lot more.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on July 13, 2007, 07:01:50 PM
Congrats, Raul! Head coach?!
That is fantastic and you deserve the chance to be a leader for those guys on and off the court! East TN seems to agree with you! Just wanted to let you know how proud our family is of you. You're going to be a great head coach and I am sure this is just the beginning of it all. You had a wonderful role model with Lambert and, I am sure, many of your other coaches along the way. Always keep in mind that coaches have a huge influence in kids lives--during the playing years and beyond!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 14, 2007, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on July 13, 2007, 07:01:50 PM
Congrats, Raul! Head coach?!
That is fantastic and you deserve the chance to be a leader for those guys on and off the court! East TN seems to agree with you! Just wanted to let you know how proud our family is of you. You're going to be a great head coach and I am sure this is just the beginning of it all. You had a wonderful role model with Lambert and, I am sure, many of your other coaches along the way. Always keep in mind that coaches have a huge influence in kids lives--during the playing years and beyond!!

Well said!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 15, 2007, 09:02:23 PM
Really excited about the grubby one coaching the Kingston Alley squad!! I appreciate the love about my coaching position. Its almost time for GSAC season to come around. The Scots are loaded!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 16, 2007, 09:22:38 AM
As if we didn't know the Killa was going to be leading people for the rest of his life...that is why Maryville was so good during those years.  Sorry I missed the after party in Knoxville.  Summer league brings out the best athleticism and the best after game stories ever told.  Speaking of being on a roll...my summer league team is now 3-2 with two winables this week.  One team that beat us is now out of the league for jumping a player from the other team in the parking lot....and some people think it is only hot in Mariotti in LaGrange.  Update on Robby Lawrence...he got cut.  No real surprise but he loved the experience.  It was originally going to be 6 players for 4 spots but turned out to be 11 players for 2 spots.  He and Antoine are getting ready for the NBDL Free Agent Camp in Dallas at the end of the month.  I was just looking over my schedule and noticed that this is the year I get to travel to lovely Maryville twice.  We have our OU/EU classic at Thanksgiving(It sure would be nice if somebody would cook the Panthers a home cooked feast) and then the regular season game.  Double the pleasure...double the fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 16, 2007, 12:19:00 PM
My main man Warren "G" Haynes!!  I appreciate the words. Holler at me this summer. You know I got two potential college players next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 16, 2007, 04:07:21 PM
Killer,
I smited you for trying to send your players to Lagrange and not maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 17, 2007, 07:24:08 AM
Rocky Top is over and now comes the best game of them all the ALUMNI GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Being the Coach/Player of the Defending Champs I will have the first pick of the Alumni Draft and choose my main man Chris Housewright..

I really hope we can have a bigger crowd this year along with more alumni playing in the game. The more players the mor emoney for the program.

If you are interested please contact myself or Brent Watts.
My email is raulplaceres@sevier.org

Finsihed Rocky Top league in with 15points and 13 assists in the 3rd place game!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 18, 2007, 11:01:19 AM
The Housewright Stopper is in shape and ready to go for the game this year.  He has guaranteed House will not have more than 7 points!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 18, 2007, 11:31:12 AM
Housewright will have 30!! By the way a draft will be conducted to determine the teams!!

Coach Placeres will have the first pick since his team won it last year!!

Coach Watts will be in charge of the other team- THE LOSING TEAM!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 18, 2007, 03:19:29 PM
there will be no draft, it is simply a matter of recruiting your team, you can have house, i have the homewrecker

my tentative squad
Me
Homewrecker
Tummel/Tummel
Tom Gallaher
Bradley Blair
Jacob Deal
Teaun ( the best PG from the class of 06)
Tim Leroy
Jeremy Burgess
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on July 18, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
I think y'all need to get the word out about the alumni game. I realize you play for the school and for old time's sake and fun--it just needs a little more oomph for the 'crowd' to be brought in. There's not much that can be done about thing that bugged me themost about last year's game but a game isn't the same without an announcer. Even it wasn't done in seriousness and just hit some highlights... I like to hear the echo in Boydson Baird gym when they say something like, "RAUL Pla-cer-es for THREE!!"  ;D or some comments about some of these alumni and what they brought to the college when they were there. Too much, I'm sure, but it would add a lot to the atmosphere of the game, IMO.
And now, back to my mourning that I will only get to go to LaGrange for football this year. They have the best damn BBQ place in the world!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 19, 2007, 09:22:55 AM
Watts and the Killer will organize it much better this year. We will be playing our alumni game before one of the Scots official regular season games instead of the usual Pre-Season scrimmage.

Hopefully we can generate enough money so that the Scots can have a blast in Florida this year. We will also take the game more seriously than we did last year. It will be big time!! I promise!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on July 19, 2007, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on July 18, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
Even it wasn't done in seriousness and just hit some highlights... I like to hear the echo in Boydson Baird gym when they say something like, "RAUL Pla-cer-es for THREE!!"  ;D or some comments about some of these alumni and what they brought to the college when they were there. Too much, I'm sure, but it would add a lot to the atmosphere of the game, IMO.

This should have said "Even IF it wasn't done in seriousness".

Killer, it was good this past year but hard to follow. I think each player should be announced, year of grad. so we all know who is who. Of course, I do know you and Watts (who doesn't?! LOL) but some of those other guys? Nope and I've heard about them so it would be good to put a name with a face. Y'all do age too, ya know?!  ;) LOL
If there is anything I can do to help in any way, shape or form just send me a message. I think it would be fun to figure out a way for the fans to help the cause ($$) if they'd like (and maybe in some fun sort of way too).

Now, back to your regularly scheduled GSAC b-ball...

The off season lasts too darn long...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 20, 2007, 12:50:11 PM
we are trying to find a way to raise as much money as possible for the program, but you have to remember this is still a side show
I think having it before a real game could be successful if enough people know about it.
Unfortunately, we cannot raise a post player for next season with this alumni game.
I think the best way to make this thing successful is to spread the word.  we need alums like Tim Leroy, Scott Mcdaniel, Kelvin Richardson, pat heldman and the likes and their teammates to come out in order to make this thing successful.  So if anyone knows any of these guys or knows how to get in touch with them that will help tremendously.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 20, 2007, 02:00:08 PM
In the spirit of friendship I would like to offer the following suggestion to Mr. Grubb and Mr. Killer.

Why not have your alumni game during Homecoming Weekend sometime before the football game (ie Friday night)?  You will have alumni already there for the weekend so you have a built in audience.  So all you have to do is add it among the list of activities for Homecoming Weekend. Plus, football Homecomings should be after the October 15th - the start of practice date.  We used to do the same thing at Fisk when the Bulldogs had a football team back in the day.

Just a suggestion :) but I think a good one...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 23, 2007, 02:22:25 PM
that is a great idea Wilburt and we appreciate the suggestion.  They did that when i was a freshman at MC and it was somewhat successful.  I remember the problem then was the alumni were already 3 beers into it by tip off at 8.  I think that is probably the best way to get out of town alums there, but we will ultimately have  to do what RDL lets us.

Also, we wanted to extend an invitation to GSAC posters on this board to play in the game.  Seeing Coach Haynes post up wilburt (literally) would be amuzing.  Or see wilburt rain some threes in the killers face.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 24, 2007, 08:32:19 AM
here is a story about a kid with a dream...http://www.lagrange.edu/athletics/basketball/news-LawrenceNBA.htm

On the alumni game thing...we do ours on homecoming weekend before the football game so our alumni aren't "3 beers into it before tip-off" but you have to be careful not to do it too early or hangovers will slow the game down.  This year our homecoming game is at 6:00 so it makes for a much easier day to get everything in.  We will have a red/white intersquad game then the alumni game to follow that.  Last season homecoming was before Oct. 15 so we didn't get to do the intersquad game. 

I got no money for your alumni game but I have to be honest it sounds like fun.  I would bring a lot to the team I played on due to the fact for the last 7 years I have been developing a scouting report against most of the players that will participate.  Of course we all know how well those scouting reports have worked out...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 24, 2007, 04:14:08 PM
Coach,
that story has to be awesome for your program. 
I would pay money for those scouting reports on Raul and Walden so i could use them against them in our game.  Apparently, our alumni are a little more rowdy than your alums. I think if we tipped off at noon our guys would already be three beers into it.  They will adjust drinking time around tip off time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 25, 2007, 07:35:05 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on July 24, 2007, 04:14:08 PM
Apparently, our alumni are a little more rowdy than your alums.
My, my, my... What can one say to that?

BTW, I gave up playing basketball years ago.  I have taken up golf instead.  The principle is still the same - to put a ball into a hole!  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 25, 2007, 09:01:28 AM
i am headed that direction but for now i still find basketball a little more economical and it has less time commitment.  If we could start a GSAC golf message board i certainly could use the pointers though b/c at 30 i plan on taking up golf full time.
If i could only learn to knock it in from deep in golf.  Also another advantage to golf is if i take 72 shots in one game, people would be like wow, instead of "that guy doesn't pass"

I see the transition coming soon and I can even see the killer and i heading down to Lagrange to take on Haynes and Isenhour in a golf outing.  That would be one time where Lagrange would end up on top
Haynes/Isenhour 95
Killer/Grubb          71
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 25, 2007, 11:35:07 AM
Latest info on a fighting scot.. The great Jeff Miracle Shot McCord has got engaged!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 25, 2007, 02:15:25 PM
Man Down, Man Down!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 25, 2007, 05:00:16 PM
I like my golf game like my basketball games...with scores in the 100's.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 25, 2007, 09:04:45 PM
I have one major problem with golf ...

You can't make up for lack of talent with defense and hustle.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 26, 2007, 09:46:52 AM
In order to keep Pat from chiding us for not focusing on the GSAC or basketball, I wonder if anyone can describe how the GSAC administration happens.  Specifically, whose job is it to work to recruit other schools. especially for men's bball?

And does the impending D3/D4 realignment issue have any relevance for the future of the GSAC? 

Ralph?  Coach Haynes?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 26, 2007, 11:56:23 AM
What is the d3/d4 realignment? Go SCOTS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 26, 2007, 12:19:05 PM
Hello, scottiedoug!

The D3/D4 issue has been discussed on the Future of Division III board.

I think that the GSAC schools would remain in D3 and not move to the sub-division/new division.

Here is the link to the discussion.  There are other links that refer to NCAA news releases.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.801

The discussion goes on for 8-10 pages with lots of very good posts by knowledgeable D3 fans from around the country. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 26, 2007, 03:43:27 PM
How about this new version of the GSAC:

Maryville
LaGrange
Piedmont
Huntingdon
Sewanee
Oglethorpe

And try to add someone from the USA South?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 26, 2007, 04:27:18 PM
we have to get reinhart to see the d3 light in GA as well as covenant near chattanooga, just give them time
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 27, 2007, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 26, 2007, 03:43:27 PM
How about this new version of the GSAC:

Maryville
LaGrange
Piedmont
Huntingdon
Sewanee
Oglethorpe

And try to add someone from the USA South?
We discussed this on the Future of Division III board back in June.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.801

The hope for the GSAC is for the two NAIA schools in NW Georgia that are investigating to join D3 and be GSAC candidates.  A NAIA-1 that added Equestrian in 2007, (?Berry College?), and an NAIA-2 (only Covenant fits that description) are mentioned in the document.  Those schools are 5-7 years away from full NCAA membership and then the AQ is 2 years beyond that.

The SCAC might add Centenary LA which is also a member of the Associated Colleges of the South (http://www.colleges.org/).  Oglethorpe enjoys the prestige of the SCAC, even tho' they do not have the endowment or the same "academic reputation" as those ACS members.  The SCAC might choose to add sports (up to 18 or 20) and squeeze Oglethorpe's travel budget.  That is the only way that I see Oglethorpe leaving the SCAC.

I think it is possible that Shenandoah gets invited to join another conference (?ODAC?) and then the USASAC invites the GSAC to join.  CNU is invited to the Captial AC (which wants to get an AQ in football) where there are already public schools like Salisbury, St Mary's of Maryland and Gallaudet.  The two most isolated USASAC schools on the north and the northeast move closer to like minded institutions, and the USASAC gets the GSAC to become the "Southern Division".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 28, 2007, 01:10:14 PM
coming to you live from Rome Ga, the Grubby one has some insight, for some reason i don't get the feeling here in Rome, GA that Berry would have any interest in D3.  They are getting ready to build a 5,000 seat basketball arena and even though their team has no prayer of beating maryville, I see them going to D2 and i see Shorter college, who has football, going to D3.  Berry College has no shortage of funds for whatever they choose to do, they do have the largest campus in the country by acreage.

I could very easily see Shorter moving to join the GSAC with Piedmont and Lagrange.

As always, Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2007, 03:06:04 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on July 28, 2007, 01:10:14 PM
coming to you live from Rome Ga, the Grubby one has some insight, for some reason i don't get the feeling here in Rome, GA that Berry would have any interest in D3.  They are getting ready to build a 5,000 seat basketball arena and even though their team has no prayer of beating maryville, I see them going to D2 and i see Shorter college, who has football, going to D3.  Berry College has no shortage of funds for whatever they choose to do, they do have the largest campus in the country by acreage.

I could very easily see Shorter moving to join the GSAC with Piedmont and Lagrange.

As always, Go Scots
The document mentions the school exploring D-III.

I looked at Berry's endowment...$542M (http://www.nacubo.org/documents/research/2006NES_Listing.pdf).

That compares with $814M for Trinity TX, $489M for DePauw, $458M for Colorado College, Southwestern TX $279M, and USewanee $270M.

Berry doesn't have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter, but that can be financed with that endowment.

Does the Berry Board of Trustees see their peers as Trinity, Sewanee and DePauw or even Wofford and VMI?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 30, 2007, 11:49:51 AM
great point as usual ralph
on that list it did list Covenant and Shorter as having endowment around 23, so that would be a better fit for both of those with the GSAC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 01, 2007, 10:00:12 AM
I love August!!!

School starts, Football Season (USA South) Da Ville has a chance!! and last but not least the Men's Basketball team starts its march for another GSAC title and NCAA Tournament birth!!

Oh yea and the ALUMNI start working out for the 2007-2008 game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 02, 2007, 09:28:57 AM
As soon as a date is set
I will announce the identity of the "housewright stopper"aka the homewrecker
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on August 02, 2007, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on July 26, 2007, 04:27:18 PM
we have to get reinhart to see the d3 light in GA as well as covenant near chattanooga, just give them time

I don't know about reinhart but covenant is NAIA and it would take a long time to get them NCAA elligible.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 02, 2007, 11:58:27 AM
 Looking at Maryville basketball (men and women's) and thier Thanksgiving classic, they list the teams that Maryville plays, but what are the other teams in the thanksgiving classic.  Anyone know?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 03, 2007, 09:03:30 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 02, 2007, 11:58:27 AM
Looking at Maryville basketball (men and women's) and thier Thanksgiving classic, they list the teams that Maryville plays, but what are the other teams in the thanksgiving classic.  Anyone know?

Looks like it's Emory, Oglethorpe, and LaGrange ... at least on the guys side ...

http://www.go.emory.edu/Schedules/Current/SC_MBB.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 07, 2007, 08:49:01 PM
new website ... schedule posted ...

www.PiedmontLions.com

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 08, 2007, 09:26:54 AM
we have a date set for the alumni game all of you fighting scots out there, but we cannot reveal the date until we show up at Kenny Talbott's house and make sure he is the first one to know about it.  So as soon as i get the killer dressed up to do a singing telegram to invite Kenny to the game we will let the rest of you know.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on August 10, 2007, 12:26:12 AM
Cool! Video that singing telegram and auction it off at the alumni game. Nothing beats a singing Killer. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on August 14, 2007, 09:42:49 AM
Ok I have been sitting back in the shadows this summer since I first posted waiting to come back into the light.  Now that we all have been updated on Killer's summer league accomplishments can we get some talk going on this upcoming season.  Have there been any surprises that have shown up on campus lately?  Old Lion you got any good news for me besides the fact that the lions now have by far the nicest website in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 14, 2007, 01:19:37 PM
FYI, for you basketball historians out there (Old Lion et al) there is a new biography on the life of former Tennessee State basketball Head Coach John McClendon that will be released in a few weeks entitled Breaking Through.  He is arguably the greatest basketball coach ever to coach college basketball in the state of Tennessee.  He learned the game from Dr. James Naismith (the inventor of basketball) at the University of Kansas and went on to be the first African American to earn a degree in physical education from the University of Kansas. 

Check out the link to the full story...

http://www.uapress.com/titles/fa07/katz.html

John B. McLendon, Basketball Legend
and Civil Rights Pioneer

By: Milton S. Katz
Forewords by Billy Packer and Ian Naismith

John B. McLendon was the last living protégé of basketball's inventor, Dr. James Naismith, and one of the "top ten basketball coaches of the century" in Billy Packer's opinion. Breaking Through, the first biography of this remarkable man, is the uplifting story of a champion's struggle for equality in 1940s and '50s America, when one coach refused to accept that teams at traditionally black colleges like North Carolina College and Tennessee State were unable to achieve national prominence.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 15, 2007, 08:23:03 AM
Check out this link on the latest on the Division III/IV split. It's from another board (Future of Division III).

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/rmelick.ssf?/base/sports/1187079582270750.xml&coll=2
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2007, 08:42:34 AM
Quote from: wilburt on August 15, 2007, 08:23:03 AM
Check out this link on the latest on the Division III/IV split. It's from another board (Future of Division III).

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/rmelick.ssf?/base/sports/1187079582270750.xml&coll=2
The ensuing discussion from the original post has been very critical of Mr Melick.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.1011

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 15, 2007, 08:56:36 AM
I know Pat I mean Ralph, but there is no denying that there is a profound philosophical split as to how Division III institutions view the role of athletics. 

As the writer suggests some schools want a more limited role for the athletic department and others want a greater role for the athletic department in the lives of their student body.  This is evidenced by the writer stating that "some schools are more serious about athletic competition than others."  What's the remedy?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 16, 2007, 08:29:25 AM
I appologize for my absence.  I know that you have all missed me.  First up a very large shout out to LC alumni, great player, great friend and great coach Jeffrey Pourchier who just recieved his first head coaching gig at Rheihardt College.  That ups the number to 7 alumni in the last 10 years that are head coaches at the college or high school level.  Hold your applause until the end please.  The B'Ham article was written with resentment.  I know that feeling.  That feeling was all around campus when we moved from NAIA and we didn't even have scholarships to begin with.  There seems to be the idea by those not familiar or comfortable with D3 that you can't be serious about athletics and not break any rules on your way to success.  Let's not kid ourselves.  The comment he printed about some programs manipulating financial aid or scholarships is tossed around like romaine at The Olive Garden.  Opponents automatically think that if a team has supreme talent they did something illegal to get that way.  It's sour grapes.  Those folks don't see all the hard work it took to get to that point. 
I will add this...just because the president is from a D3 background doesn't mean that everyone understood the philosophy of going D3.  Berry's president has a D3 background but they would lose 1/2 their coaches if they decided(especially as abruptly as BSC) to go D3. 
The new divisions talk is interesting to me that there are rumors of less constrictions on the current D3 and more on the new Division 4.  I don't see the NCAA backing off restrictions for anyone.  Everytime you get a rules change notice it is always to the side of more restricting instead of less.  That is how they roll.  I think it was Ralph that asked for the rememdy.  The rememdy is that all those schools that don't want to take athletics seriously....call me.  I want to schedule you.  Let me tell you something.  Those teams aren't in the south.  We are the closest thing you can to an easy win on anybody's south region schedule.  If I could only schedule myself 4 times a year.  There was a comment about the NCAA not having enough funds for another division and championship.  PLEASE!!!  They could take 2% of the D1 football revenue and run a D4,5,6 & 7.  All this stuff, just like new membership in the GSAC is miles down the road.  What isn't miles down the road is hoops season!  2 months from yesterday as a matter of fact!  Freshmen report here on the 27th and classes start the day after labor day, which means practice starts the day after that.  Our recruiting class is finished and hopefully they all show up and work hard.  We have 12 new Panthers so it will take a while for myself and the fans to get to know them. 


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 16, 2007, 12:24:14 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on July 26, 2007, 09:46:52 AM
And does the impending D3/D4 realignment issue have any relevance for the future of the GSAC? 

Ralph?  Coach Haynes?

Doug what are your thoughts? I see that Coach Haynes has chimed in with his opinions.

Any thoughts from the Maryville faithful on the Division III/IV discussion now that the Summer League discussion is apparently over?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on August 16, 2007, 03:35:49 PM
wilburt:

That was an interesting article on the vastness of DIII, and potential issues.  Thanks for the link my friend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 16, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
i would not base anything on a school that is brand new to D3 and almost went broke trying to fake it at the D1 level.  Just b/c a bunch of people down there spent all their money trying to live in Greystone so they could no longer afford to make alumni donations does not mean that they are more focused on academics than athletics.  BSC had the same academic requirements at the D1 level and i guarantee if a kid could flat out play and his academics were "adequate" he got in over the kid who wanted to go to BSC and all he was, was a student.  Birmingham is a terrible little town.  Let's not split D3 b/c this school is upset over going D3 b/c their bonds got down-graded.

If we are going to split D3 let's look at a school like sewanee who is a long term D3 member and a founding member of the SEC.  Their opinion seems a lot stronger to me than those people in Birmingham who also think it is a great thing to pay a college football coach 4 million a year for 8 years guaranteed.

I argue, that if a system in D3 does not help their players legally explore every option for financial aid  i.e. grants, scholarships, and work study, then that program is not helping its "kids" maximize their college experience.  D3 coaches should be intimately familiar with financial aid and they should be able to answer their players questions when they apply for these grants/scholarships.   Is this illegal?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2007, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on August 16, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
Let's not split D3 b/c this school is upset over going D3 b/c their bonds got down-graded.

They're not.

Quote from: mattgrubb on August 16, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
If we are going to split D3 let's look at a school like sewanee who is a long term D3 member and a founding member of the SEC. 

They are.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 17, 2007, 07:43:23 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on August 16, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
I argue, that if a system in D3 does not help their players legally explore every option for financial aid  i.e. grants, scholarships, and work study, then that program is not helping its "kids" maximize their college experience.  D3 coaches should be intimately familiar with financial aid and they should be able to answer their players questions when they apply for these grants/scholarships.   Is this illegal?

It is one thing to answer questions which is not "illegal" but when and where do you cross the line?  Is there a line to cross?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 17, 2007, 10:02:37 AM
that is the question, I agree
and my response is these decisions are made by man so they will never be perfect
I personally like the growth of D3 and not a split

Next point, BSC should just thank their lucky stars they did not join the GSAC b/c Randy would have enjoyed spanking them in their nice big arena, which will probably happen anyway if they want to schedule a game when the fighting scots are on their way down to huntingdon.  The scots could stop by and slap them and officially welcome them to D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 17, 2007, 12:23:07 PM
I personally like the proposed split in Division III.

I even like the idea of making all of the current NAIA schools - Division V or VI schools  :D. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 17, 2007, 12:54:39 PM
It's the details that will count, as usual.  If being less serious about athletics means that coaches cannot do what Grubby says is a responsible coach's obligation to help student-athletes, the not-so-serious schools might want to focus on intramurals.   

That is quite different from giving scholarships (or other aid) to athletes who would not get aid if they were not athletes.  Isn't a big part of this issue about athletic preferences by the schools?  Drama and music profs lobby financial aid offices for aid for students who would do well in drama and music...would folks (Wilburt?) think coaches should not do that on behalf of athletes? 

Incoming classes all have in them people who have demonstrated all kinds of levels of academic preparation.  If the only ones at a school who have marginal "qualifications" are athletes, I would think that represents a mind-set that is not in step with D3 philosophy (assuming there is such a thing).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 17, 2007, 01:08:03 PM
O.K., just thoughts...The split of D3 will not help the GSAC.  Everyone in the SCAC stays in the SCAC and the same with the ODAC and the same with the USA-South. I am assuming that D3 stays like it is and D4 would be less restrictive on number of sports and mandate shorter seasons and other things that are not cool.  I couldn't imaginge more than 1 school from each conference moving to D4.  That being said unless the GSAC moves to D4 which, I go on the record of not being in favor of, we are still looking through the store front window at the other conferences.  Ahhh, but your saying, "Coach now these conferences would need a school to replace the defectors."  Exactly, and that would lead to the break up of the GSAC not the total inclusion of the conference.  That then leads to our biggest obstacle...geography.  Gosh it feels like I have had this conversation before. 
I can envision D4 being a new home for the small Christian education based schools that are prevelent in Florida, GA and NC.  The NCAA could possibly offer them more than their current affiliate.  I don't know much outside the south but I would imagine the Notheast would be most concerned about this possibility. 
One thing that I don't like about the proposed split is that the more schools that move to D4 means my chance of getting a bid to the national tournament get smaller due to their ratio-matrix-number-thinga-ma-bob.  It is already hard enough to get two schools out of our conference so I would imagine that would be an impossibility with 100 less schools. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 17, 2007, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on August 17, 2007, 12:54:39 PM
Drama and music profs lobby financial aid offices for aid for students who would do well in drama and music...would folks (Wilburt?) think coaches should not do that on behalf of athletes? 

I don't know what the line is Doug, that's why I posed the original question.  I personally think it is okay to answer questions as Grubb says, but lobbying for financial aid may cross the line in some people's books.  I don't have an answer but I think it is interesting to talk about it.  To some people "spring football practice" and "redshirting" crosses the line for some D3 athletic directors/coaches right now!  Isn't that how this thing kinda started anyway?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilhe on August 18, 2007, 11:36:17 AM
Good morning:

I was somewhat put off by the web master's declaration that because of the nature of the Fisk schedule he will not follow or cover its progress but I got over it.

I then began to think of the level of coverage that had been his habit and I was relieved.  In 2003 the year that Fisk was the GSAC men's basketball tourny champs I saw nothing that reported that the conference would not advocate for its conference champ to go to the NCAA tournament opting instead for preennial conference rep Maryville who Fisk eliminated in the first round of the tournamet.  I saw nothing but support for the witch hunt by its members designed to denegrate and create a perjorative picture designed to force Fisk out of the conference.  The conference even concocted a Kangaroo(forgive me Kangaroo's of the world) court to do the dastardly deed, but their own bylaws made them look jaundiced.

I've seen nothing here about the commissioner of the conference in his drunken revery at a bistro in Orlando during the last NCAA Convention curling his lip to say "We kick the ....... out of the conference".  What he found out in a matter of seconds was that his comments, designed to amuse the six or seven folks around his table, had been overheard by an alumnae and a Division I Director of Athletics with Fisk ties.  A conference is the HOME of its members not a plantation with cabins out back.

Now, why in God's name would Fisk want to be associated with narrowminded imbeciles stuck in the 19th century whose greatest accomplishments in life is to somehow denegrate the very group of people they pledge to uphold.  Where does it say that I must accept a plate of scatter and consume it with a toothpick to please anyone.

So your tight, well thoughout and fair assessment of the situation wins out on logic: if Fisk steps out of line you'll simply apply the same logic as the GSAC and it commissioner.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 18, 2007, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: wilhe on August 18, 2007, 11:36:17 AM
I've seen nothing here about the commissioner of the conference in his drunken revery at a bistro in Orlando during the last NCAA Convention curling his lip to say "We kick the ....... out of the conference".  What he found out in a matter of seconds was that his comments, designed to amuse the six or seven folks around his table, had been overheard by an alumnae and a Division I Director of Athletics with Fisk ties.  A conference is the HOME of its members not a plantation with cabins out back.

Turns out I was correct about the racism of some in the GSAC after all ::).

Why would the commissioner of the GSAC say such a thing? 

It's getting a little hot in here!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on August 18, 2007, 04:25:11 PM
Wilhe and Wilburt,

Wilhe:  what the heck are you talking about?  the webmaster's declaration of no coverage?  I have no idea what that means... but if you are insinuating Pat is a racist, you're nuts.  As for Maryville going to the NCAA tourney over Fisk in 2003... I guess you are ignorant of the fact that the GSAC does not get an automatic bid to the NCAA tourney for it's champion.  In fact, the GSAC is not guaranteed it will get a team into the NCAA at all.  The NCAA chose Maryville based on it's 22-6 record that year... it passed over Fisk because of it's 14-14 record that year.  So ripping the GSAC for Maryville going over Fisk just illustrates how ignorant you are.

Wilburt,

The only person I ever recall you calling a racist is Randy Lambert, and on Jan. 5 he was in Lagrange, GA.  He was also in LaGrange on Jan. 6.  On Jan. 7, he was in Demorest, GA.  So the only person you have ever accused of being a racist could not have been the one to ALLEGEDLY make the comment in a bistro in Orlando.  Heck, I don't even know who the GSAC commish is... but to take one unnamed source and treat his/her word as gospel and say "I told you so" seems to be pretty irresponsible. 

Fisk was not kicked out.  They resigned their membership.  Granted, they probably did so because the writing was on the wall, but the fact remains that besides men's basketball (where they had some really good teams), the rest of their athletic program was a joke.  They were not showing up for games.  They were losing 20-0 in soccer, 30-0 in baseball, 9-0 in tennis, etc.

Your rush to say I told you so based on Wilhe's post was quicker than Mike Nifong could count to three.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 18, 2007, 05:31:02 PM
Wilburt, my friend, you are nothing if not thoughtful and logical ... but I think you've hitched your horse to the wrong wagon this time.

Seems a lot of wilhe's diatribe was nothing more than hear say ranting ... didn't seem to exactly ooze credibility to me ...

But then you compare wilhe's interpretation of Fisk's not going to the 2003 NCAA tourney to colincondi's interpretation ... well, it's not even close, is it?  I think I'll cast my "credibility vote" with my favorite dual Secretary of State, ColinCondi!

QuoteIn 2003 the year that Fisk was the GSAC men's basketball tourny champs I saw nothing that reported that the conference would not advocate for its conference champ to go to the NCAA tournament opting instead for preennial conference rep Maryville who Fisk eliminated in the first round of the tournamet.

QuoteThe NCAA chose Maryville based on it's 22-6 record that year... it passed over Fisk because of it's 14-14 record that year.

Hmmm ... wilhe neglected to mention the small matter of Fisk's 14 -14 record...  I guess he thinks the NCAA is racist too ... based on what? Their recent, well-documented practice of excluding persons of color from their post season events? Wilhe, please!

No, I don't think it was getting hot is here ...

But, after ColinCondi's comments, I'd say ...

It's getting reasonable in here ... as opposed to looney.   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 18, 2007, 11:10:38 PM
The comissioner of the GSAC is Coach Phil Williamson from LaGrange. He wouldn't be caught dead in a "bistro" and he also wouldn't be caught dead with a drink(besides sweet tea) in his hand.  I didn't even drink wine at my own wedding reception until after he left out of respect.  Don't come on here tossing around words you learned off the new Common CD and try to spread hate and disaray.  The GSAC isn't perfect but it is fair.  The only people we don't like are those that can't provide a respectable home setting when visitors travel in and those that can't win with class. 


BTW: I don't call admissions or financial and lobby for more money for any of our recruits.  I guess that is why I don't have a post player over 6'2.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 19, 2007, 12:33:33 PM
Just to be clear, I have no reason to think that any GSAC coaches lobby with admissions or financial aid offices for more money for recruits.  I also cannot believe that there is no contact between coaches and admissions/financial aid people, even at LaGrange.

If anyone thinks the bistro story is anything but BS, I think he/she needs to rethink how to make a credible point to anyone who is even remotely skeptical of "evidence" that someone he/she does not know is a racist.  I cannot imagine that Wilburt believes that the bistro story has anything at all to do with Randy Lambert.   And from what Coach H says about the GSAC commish, I'd say somebody is making stuff up.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2007, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: wilhe on August 18, 2007, 11:36:17 AM
Good morning:

I was somewhat put off by the web master's declaration that because of the nature of the Fisk schedule he will not follow or cover its progress but I got over it.

I then began to think of the level of coverage that had been his habit and I was relieved.  In 2003 the year that Fisk was the GSAC men's basketball tourny champs I saw nothing that reported that the conference would not advocate for its conference champ to go to the NCAA tournament opting instead for preennial conference rep Maryville who Fisk eliminated in the first round of the tournamet.  I saw nothing but support for the witch hunt by its members designed to denegrate and create a perjorative picture designed to force Fisk out of the conference.  The conference even concocted a Kangaroo(forgive me Kangaroo's of the world) court to do the dastardly deed, but their own bylaws made them look jaundiced.

I've seen nothing here about the commissioner of the conference in his drunken revery at a bistro in Orlando during the last NCAA Convention curling his lip to say "We kick the ....... out of the conference".  What he found out in a matter of seconds was that his comments, designed to amuse the six or seven folks around his table, had been overheard by an alumnae and a Division I Director of Athletics with Fisk ties.  A conference is the HOME of its members not a plantation with cabins out back.

Now, why in God's name would Fisk want to be associated with narrowminded imbeciles stuck in the 19th century whose greatest accomplishments in life is to somehow denegrate the very group of people they pledge to uphold.  Where does it say that I must accept a plate of scatter and consume it with a toothpick to please anyone.

So your tight, well thoughout and fair assessment of the situation wins out on logic: if Fisk steps out of line you'll simply apply the same logic as the GSAC and it commissioner.   

Since you posted from Fisk's campus, I'll let you in on a secret.

Schools that don't provide scores and don't play Division III opponents aren't worth the time trying to chase down info for. Even Rust managed to play 16 Division III opponents last year.

Division III schools are required to play half of their schedule against in-region opponents. If Fisk isn't going to play more than a few opponents, it is not worth our time tracking them.

If you want to be in Division III, schedule like it. Otherwise, no offense, we're not interested.

Call me a narrow-minded imbecile if you like, but you're the one who comes off that way. You're probably not the first athletic director to post here but I am sure you're the first who's come around trying to spread such hate and misinformation.

Here's some times when Fisk was on the front page of D3hoops.com, which you probably didn't realize or didn't care to point out because it didn't fit your biased view:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=416
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=735
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=1086
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=1085

Please note that I had to go shoot Fisk myself in order to get any game photos.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2007, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: wilhe on August 18, 2007, 11:36:17 AM
I saw nothing that reported that the conference would not advocate for its conference champ to go to the NCAA tournament

I am shocked that an athletic director in Division III doesn't know that the conference has no role in advocating a team for an at-large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 19, 2007, 02:36:33 PM
Page 15 of the 2006-07 Men's D3 Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2007/2007_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf) requires a team to play 50% of their scheduled competition against Division III in-region opponents.  (I don't think that there is much difference in the 2007-08 Handbook.)

That is the critical decision to be made by the Fisk Athletic Department.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 19, 2007, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: wilburt on August 16, 2007, 12:24:14 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on July 26, 2007, 09:46:52 AM
And does the impending D3/D4 realignment issue have any relevance for the future of the GSAC? 

Ralph?  Coach Haynes?

Doug what are your thoughts? I see that Coach Haynes has chimed in with his opinions.

Any thoughts from the Maryville faithful on the Division III/IV discussion now that the Summer League discussion is apparently over?
Wilburt, the working document on the Division III/IV decision has the SCAC predominantly "on the fence".  Even the UAA is split on the issue.  I think that the "D-IV's" would like for the programs of the UAA to conform to the requirements of the new division, including asking some schools to add sports in some cases.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 19, 2007, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2007, 12:56:39 PM

Since you posted from Fisk's campus, I'll let you in on a secret.


Also, from King Pat ...

Quote
I am shocked that an athletic director in Division III doesn't know that the conference has no role in advocating a team for an at-large bid.

Wow! This is a fairly disturbing revelation ... wilhe is Fisk's AD??? If that is actually the case, my condolences Wilburt ... to paraphrase the Immortal Bard ... Something is, indeed, rotten in Nashville.

I'm not exactly a charter member of the King Pat fan club ... he's a little too authoritarian and relishes his role as the "Great Oz behind the curtain" a little too much for my taste ... but, give the devil his due. As King Pat loves to share with his subjects from time to time, he does have access to all that behind the scenes stuff, IP addresses and such ... so I have to assume he knows what he is talking about.

wilhe is Fisk's AD???

I'm not applying for a job in administration at Duke ... so I don't want to rush to judgement. But, if wilhe really is Fisk's AD ...  Wow ...  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2007, 04:16:15 PM
Quote from: old_lion on August 19, 2007, 04:03:08 PM
Wow! This is a fairly disturbing revelation ... wilhe is Fisk's AD??? If that is actually the case, my condolences Wilburt ... to paraphrase the Immortal Bard ... Something is, indeed, rotten in Nashville.


Well, all I had to do was click on his name like everyone else. His e-mail address made it fairly obvious. Even this narrow-minded imbecile knows some names of ADs. No behind the scenes skullduggery needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 19, 2007, 05:57:16 PM
Wow!  William K. Head is listed as the AD at Fisk on the Fisk website.

The email shown for wilhe is wheadx4@hotmail.com as shown on the profile.

That reflects very poorly.  I hope that someone registered his email fraudently.  The Maryville 2003 Pool B bid means that the AD doesn't comprehend what his teams will need to do to earn an at-large berth in D3 as independents .

If Fisk is considering moving to D-IV, it appears that they will need dramatically to increase the spending on athletics over the $280-300K range we discussed in 2006.  The other options are scholarship D-II or NAIA.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 20, 2007, 07:21:04 AM
Gentlemen:

The only thing that reflects poorly and is rotten is many of you from the GSAC and a few not from the GSAC.  You have rationalized much of the racist behavior of many from the GSAC and continue to do so to this day.  Particularly I am surprised at Old Lion, Coach Haynes, Ralph and Doug who continue to put their collective heads in the sand and deny that racial problems EVER existed within the GSAC.  So be it, history has shown that to be the case from the abuse the 1966 Texas Western basketball team suffered, to the Big East fans throwing bananas on the court when John Thompson's Georgetown's played in the 1980s, til most recently a study coming out that White referees called more fouls on Black players than White players in NBA games. 

Yes, Randy Lambert is a racist and those that conspired with him to kick Fisk out the GSAC are racists as well. I will continue to say that and believe that until I die. If you fall into that category too Coach Haynes then so be it and that goes for some of Lambert's former players from Hooterville College as well.  If the hood fits then wear it.

As for Pat Coleman, I did not know whether you were a bigot or just a jerk.  I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a jerk! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 20, 2007, 07:56:25 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on June 13, 2006, 07:32:57 AM
Since nobody else will, I will speak on Wilburt's behalf.  Take a second to think aobut it.  You are the only black poster on the board representing the only COED HBCU in a small conference, which has already removed a HBCU years before.   Walks like a duck...sounds like a duck. .......but fortunately in this case it is not a racist duck. 

Talk about rationalizations.  All of this recent "quacking" sound like a group of ducks to me...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 20, 2007, 08:39:09 AM
I teeter on a line of maintaining professionalism due to my position and stating my 100% feelings at times on this board.  It is what it is. I don't have time to dig up old posts but that quote that Wilburt posted is a 100% feeling, not a half-hearted politically correct quote.  Plain and simple with no debate...IF YOU CAN'T GET TEAMS TO SHOW UP FOR HOME GAMES YOU DON'T BELONG IN A CONFERENCE!!!!  If Piedmont College travelled to LaGrange College and our softball team didn't show up for a game at home, heads would roll.  If this was coupled with other things that include but are not limited too, cross country runners(and I use the term loosely) using cell phones while walking on the course, heads would roll.  I want to take a moment to applaud the efforts of Spellman.  They were not meeting requirements for game day protocol and have made every effort to get these standards up.  They were on probation for a year and it is my understanding that they are in good standing now.  If you want to be a part of something were you will be competing or sharing in awards and benefits then it usually takes two things, 1. Money and 2. The ability to meet the expectations of the group. This really shouldn't be this big of a discussion since Stillman wanted to go D2 all along and we just pushed them in that direction and Fisk left the GSAC.  There was no vote to put anyone out just disapproval of the way things were going outside of men's hoops.

Wilburt, don't ever put my name in the same paragraph as a comment about a "hood". 

Quack.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 20, 2007, 08:44:06 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on August 20, 2007, 08:39:09 AM
I teeter on a line of maintaining professionalism due to my position and stating my 100% feelings at times on this board. 

I think you crossed that line already.

Thanks for that last quack though, I knew you had some duck ;D in you all along...



 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on August 20, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
     Come on now Willburt you bring up a point that a study showed that white refs called more fouls on black players compared with black players.  Think about it man 72 percent of the NBA is African American.  Therefore this study is irrelevant, it is obvious that more fouls are going to be called on black players in the NBA, not everything always has to be a race issue.  Here is how Charles Barkley felt about the subject ""That might be the most stupid study I've ever heard, for two reasons. Number one, there are a lot more black players in the NBA. So, of course, there are going to be more calls by white referees against Black players. But, also, I bet those jackasses, if they wanted to, I bet Black referees call more fouls against black players. For them to come out with a statement like that, is irresponsible and it's asinine." 
     And you want to call people racist because Fisk got kicked out of the league???  How about the times when fisk did not even show up for games?  Or the times when a team would drive all the way to fisk and then they did not even have a team?  But I guess members of the GSAC were racist because they did not want to spend the money to drive to fisk just to have to drive back when there is no one to compete against.  Lets not even talk about the fact that by playing fisk in any sport outside Men's Basketball would hurt teams strength of schedule.  But what am I even talking about.....everyone that has ever been affiliated with the GSAC is a racist. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 20, 2007, 11:12:11 AM
Wilburt writes, "Particularly I am surprised at Old Lion, Coach Haynes, Ralph and Doug who continue to put their collective heads in the sand and deny that racial problems EVER existed within the GSAC."  I have never denied that racial problems existed and still exist within the GSAC.  The GSAC is made up of human beings, many if not all of whom are conflicted to one degree or another about race and issues of race.  I may have said some stupid things, but not that.  I do know that at one GSAC school there are ongoing efforts at the institutional and individual level, both within and outside the athletic department, to "undo" racism.  That would not happen if there were no problem.

I do not accept the scheme of logic that ascribes racist motives or intent to every decision anyone makes about people who are of a different race.  Nor do I believe one can logically or reasonably infer that decisions made by the human beings who make decisions on behalf of schools or conferences are "racist" decisions just because they happen to be negative about schools that are predominately of a different race.

That does not mean that people or institutions cannot or do not sometimes or even often make decisions based in racism, but smart people who skip the rules of logic and ascribe racist motives to every act by people of any particular group of "others" do not reflect very well on whereever they got an education, never mind who has a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.

Lets say some "GSAC racists" objected to some of the transgressions by Fisk which others have pointed out and made their unhappiness known.  What if a "white" school had been guilty of the same things?  I suspect from recent postings that Wilburt would predict that none of the racists would have objected in the same way they allegedly did re: Fisk.  I suspect otherwise.   

These comments come from a white person who is quite sure that racism is very much a factor in almost everything, to some degree or other.  But not everything all the time.  If we do not take considerable care in how we communicate what we think about this, we make it less possible ever to get beyond the racist legacy we all inherited when we got here.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 20, 2007, 11:24:45 AM
Wilburt,

Slow down there big fella ... you are attempting to include me in a discussion (whether or not racism played a part in Fisk's exit from the GSAC) that I have no desire to be a part of.

I know racism exists ... both ways. One would have to be very naive to think otherwise. But my own personal opinion is that we thoughtful, reasonable people have a responsibility to, as much as possible, give people the benefit of the doubt. I think that, absent hard evidence to the contrary, we are all better served if we keep an open mind and approach people and situations assuming racism will not be factor. That's what works best for me anyway.

I abhor racism and I abhor situations where racism is dredged up and unnecessarily thrown into the mix when in reality, it is not a factor. Under the best of circumstances, racism is despicable and difficult to deal with. IMHO, the situation only gets worse when any of us are overly sensitive and assume racism simply because people of different races are involved. It's sad really ... and terribly counter productive.

But back to my original point ... I was simply challenging you for being so quick to accept wilhe as a credible source.

I was simply pointing out that, to me, he seemed uninformed, illogical, and well ... sort of looney. I made no assumptions as to his race and it certainly didn't cross my mind that he might be Fisk's AD. If indeed, he is Fisk's AD, then that just ratchets that whole "uninformed angle" up to the level of astounding!

But enough of this ... In closing, I'd like to comment that I, like Coach Haynes, would prefer to not see my name linked in any way with the word "hood" used in that context.

We're still tight, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 20, 2007, 11:27:25 AM
Apparently, scottiedoug and I were writing our responses at the same time.

Insightful fella ... that scottiedoug.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 20, 2007, 11:33:41 AM
Quote from: wilburt on August 20, 2007, 07:21:04 AM
As for Pat Coleman, I did not know whether you were a bigot or just a jerk.  I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a jerk! 

Thanks.

At least I sign my name to my posts and I don't lob anonymous half-truths at people.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 20, 2007, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 20, 2007, 11:33:41 AM
Quote from: wilburt on August 20, 2007, 07:21:04 AM
As for Pat Coleman, I did not know whether you were a bigot or just a jerk.  I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a jerk! 

Thanks.

At least I sign my name to my posts and I don't lob anonymous half-truths at people.

You are very welcome Pat.  By the way, I am not anonymous regardless of whether you think half-truths are being lobbed or not.

Old Lion, we can talk in PMs. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 20, 2007, 12:05:52 PM
all i have to say, is no one ever made fun of me for being a member of the catawba indian nation while I was on the court in the GSAC.  i guess racism extends to all races.  I guess no one ever made fun of that fact b/c i was the best player in the GSAC and i followed all of the rules.

and BTW, Randy Lambert never made me feel that being of native american heritage was a negative.

yes my paternal grandfather grew up on the reservation in rock hill, sc and had to leave it to escape extreme poverty.  the reservation did get running water in 1998, which would have been my freshman year of college.

I don't appreciate anyone calling Randy Lambert a racist.  I have a list of teammates who are not of the caucasian persuasion as well and they have nothing but respect for Randy.  maybe someone would not like fisk b/c "it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game"-quote from i forget who, but sometimes that can seem so relevant when you compete against fisk, b/c they never really take that into consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 20, 2007, 05:10:24 PM
Quote from: wilburt on August 20, 2007, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 20, 2007, 11:33:41 AM
Quote from: wilburt on August 20, 2007, 07:21:04 AM
As for Pat Coleman, I did not know whether you were a bigot or just a jerk.  I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a jerk! 

Thanks.

At least I sign my name to my posts and I don't lob anonymous half-truths at people.

You are very welcome Pat.  By the way, I am not anonymous regardless of whether you think half-truths are being lobbed or not.

Nor did I say you were. Pay attention.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 21, 2007, 08:47:00 AM
How about them SCOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Season is almost here....

Only reason Fisk was kicked out, or voted out or whatever the case was,  was due to the way they ran the athletic program. The fact you are a predominately black school had nothing to do with it. IT IS WHAT IT IS!! As an athletic department you did not meet the requirements and rules all the other schools followed and met.

Wilburt just man up and say my alma mater did not do these things. Its not a racial thing my brother. Facts are facts!

Lets keep this board going with basketball talk not this racial nonsense that has divided us as people and in whole as a nation. It exists both ways! I see people as people not black or white..

By the way anyone interested in getting players I have about 10 kids I am trying to help out. If you are interested shoot me an email raulplaceres@sevier.org
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 21, 2007, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on August 21, 2007, 08:47:00 AM
Lets keep this board going with basketball talk not this racial nonsense that has divided us as people and in whole as a nation. It exists both ways! I see people as people not black or white..
I am glad you now see people as people.  This must come as a sudden epiphany from someone who once said that some Fisk players acted like a bunch of animals.  Miracles do indeed happen!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
Last I checked, humans were part of the animal kingdom. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 21, 2007, 02:30:29 PM
Excuse me Pat.  I'm sorry.  I must have erroneously thought that humans were part of mankind. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2007, 02:42:08 PM
You haven't taken a biology class, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 21, 2007, 02:48:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2007, 02:42:08 PM
You haven't taken a biology class, I guess.
No I did in fact but it was such a long time ago though. I think I skipped the lecture on animal kingdom - too boring ;).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 21, 2007, 03:15:55 PM
Quote from: wilburt on August 21, 2007, 02:30:29 PM
Excuse me Pat.  I'm sorry.  I must have erroneously thought that humans were part of mankind. :)

Good! Anything to get away from talking about racism ...

Let's all gather up our books, change classes, and go to 5th grade science for awhile.

http://www.kidport.com/RefLib/Science/Animals/Primates.htm

Rumor of the day:
Word on the street is that Don Imus (after completing his sensitivity training/ political correctness course) was heard to remark at a basketball game, "Would you look at those Gosh Darn players ... they are behaving like a bunch of primates!"  ;D

As one of my favorites, that Great American, Richard Pryor, would say ... now there's some political correctness fo yo a$$!  :o

Everyone take a deep, cleansing breath ... and lighten up.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 22, 2007, 09:06:58 AM
back to basketball, i heard a rumor that could shake up the GSAC
it is not often that kids transfer from Maryville and end up playing somewhere else, but i have heard there are a couple playing now
Jeff Willis is down at Barry in Florida and there is another
anyone care to guess who left MC and now is enrolled at another D3 school, Old Lion?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 22, 2007, 09:10:34 AM
Someone get Wilburt a date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

Wilburt could you come up with another team who has acted like those Fisk players did that night in Maryville? I was in the gym that night and it was a disgrace to Fisk as school. Celebrate with class!!

Guess who helped Willis go to Barry?


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 24, 2007, 12:15:59 PM
why does this board always die when someone actually mentions GSAC basketball?

Willis would look better in the Scots new uniforms.

The rumor i mentioned earlier has not been addressed by Old Lion and i know he knows and he is not telling us about who has arrived in Demorest.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 24, 2007, 04:08:53 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on August 24, 2007, 12:15:59 PM
The rumor i mentioned earlier has not been addressed by Old Lion and i know he knows and he is not telling us about who has arrived in Demorest.

Sorry Matt, I'm not going to be able to comment on recruiting any time soon. I'm currently under a doctor's care, attempting to deal with the acute frustration brought on by the "powers that be" at PC who refused to admit a 6'5' JUCO leaper who was ready to play for the Lions.

The Doc has recommended that I just attempt to put it out of my mind ... and that I drink heavily. The drinking seems to be helping ... but, it's going to take a while ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on August 24, 2007, 05:49:57 PM
So is Lambert getting a sponsorship from Red Bull this season?

I look down the roster and all I see are wings, wings and more wings.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 27, 2007, 04:52:48 PM
That's funny...I may need a Red Bull I.V. to get through this season.  Today was Freshman move in day.  All our guys are here and accounted for so I will very vaguely break down our new guys that are coming in.  We have a combo guard from NW GA that will be more PG than 2G after we had a PG de-commit in the late spring.  He is a great competitor and can score but he played small ball and he is really quiet, so I hope he loosens up and can stand the intensity.  The jury is still out but I think he can help in his first year.  We have two teammates from northern GA, 1 post, 1 combo guard.  The guard can't play point so I guess he really isn't a combo guard afterall and the post needs some developmental work.  I see the post getting to a rebound/defense kind of guy now and maybe he can make a lay-up in a year.  We got an athletic tweener that was coached in high school by a Maryville alum so, take that Scots.  He doesn't exactly know what to do with what he has but he will play this year and help.  We also have a really great athlete who came to school last year but had to leave after a couple of days due to family concerns then returned for summer school.  He is currently ineligible but hopefully one day he will be able to play for us because he has the ability of both Maddox and Lawrence and those guys did pretty well for themselves.  Speaking of those guys...Lawrence has a CBA offer and Maddox went to one final workout this past weekend and is hoping to shake something up.  We have another N GA kid that can really shoot it!  He needs some work everywhere else in his game but is a phenomenal person and student so I am really going to enjoy having him around.  We have a couple of Soph transfers.  One is Maddox's little bro who didn't play last season.  He has improved so much since his JR year in high school that he is almost like another person.  The other kid is a coaches son to the core.  He can really, really shoot it.  We have a state champion from ATL area that is long, and raw who is smart enough to adjust quickly but he needs some weight and strength.  There will be more to come...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 28, 2007, 02:50:04 PM
Coach:  Why is it that I get the feeling the picture you see is better than the one you paint for us?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 28, 2007, 03:43:23 PM
I'm a coach not a painter, sorry.  We also have a couple of junior transfers.  One that will help and one that will need some time.  Along with the younger Maddox we picked up another local kid that is coming back to town.  He is a lefty, and you know I love lefties, that played for a buddy and alum here in town.  That should round it out.  I have been debating with myself all summer on what in the world we are going to do.  I even thought since Duckworth is out of the GSAC I could implement the Princeton system(it is really more of a philosophy than a system).  Hopefully we won't have to deviate too far from the status quo.  BTW...I had Country's B-B-Q for the first time and it really didn't do much for me.  Any of you Maryville guys that are making the trip down for the football opener can find me under the Falcon's(it was red and black and on sale) tent by the soccer field.  Go Panthers! I don't really know any of our football players but I love their coaching staff.  They bust their butts for their kids and they are good people. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on August 28, 2007, 07:28:02 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on August 28, 2007, 03:43:23 PM
  BTW...I had Country's B-B-Q for the first time and it really didn't do much for me.  Any of you Maryville guys that are making the trip down for the football opener can find me under the Falcon's(it was red and black and on sale) tent by the soccer field.  Go Panthers! I don't really know any of our football players but I love their coaching staff.  They bust their butts for their kids and they are good people. 

:o :o  :D
I thought the BBQ was very good but it was everything else that was so outstanding from side dishes to desserts to that good GA sweet tea! MC-LaGrange will be my first away football and the lure for me is the Country's  ;D  I am a die hard MC basketball fan myself, but any game in LaGrange sounds good to me!

Back to b-ball...

The statements about Randy Lambert on this thread are beyond belief. I'm not even going to comment on such outlandish statements.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 29, 2007, 08:19:28 AM
GA sweet tea is a side dish in and of itself.  They also do turkey and dressing one day a week.  They use smoked turkey and it is really good.  Once all the schedules get posted I would like to see this board rank the strength of those schedules and the debate for POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 29, 2007, 11:47:04 AM
Well i think POY is wrapped up already.  Now we are going to have to answer who are going to be the first and second teamers.

I think looking at strength of schedule will be important for other GSAC schools early in the season if they want to beat MURVUL this year then they need to be prepared for them by the time conference games come around.   I can't say that playing teams like Oglethorpe or Pensacola Christian prepare teams to play against MURVUL.  It pains me to say that there are better teams than MURVUL, but sometimes there are and other GSAC schools should try and schedule those teams early in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JohnnyBravo on August 30, 2007, 09:17:17 AM
I think players of the year is wrapped up...Its gotta be Baldwin from Piedmont no questions asked.  Are the Scotts really gonna be the top dawg this year?  I think this may be the year of the Panther or the Lion.  Piedmont has a core of good players returning, and Coach Haynes always gets his guys to play hard so they can play with anybody.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 30, 2007, 10:24:07 AM
That is the theme every year for LaGrange and Piedmont fans!! This is the year, NEVER!!!!!!!! Its every year for the Scots. ;)

All jokes aside I do think Piedmont has a chance but that all depends on what system they will run. Green and Baldwin could be the best duo in the GSAC but it all depends on how many minutes Jake gets? By the way I heard Samuel Coppage a former Scot has transferred to Piedmont!!

It is football season!! Go CANES!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 30, 2007, 10:27:15 AM
I agree, this may be piedmont's year
I would not count the Old Scotty Dog out though, Lambert has not put together his streak throughout the past decade without pulling a few new tricks out of his hat.  And trust me, that is a big hat that he wears.

I like these guys for all conference:POY Baldwin
first team
Bowers-Maryville
Green-Piedmont
Render-Lagrange
??????-Maryville, Lambert will have someone step and i know who it is, but don't want to give away anything too early

If there is any shake up there, we may have Co-POY again this year

And just for Old Lion, i did name 5 guys up there, it goes back to the whole 5 man teams thing
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 30, 2007, 01:28:37 PM
Hey Old Lion:  You're gettin' a lot of love from Scotties.  Make you nervous?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 31, 2007, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on August 30, 2007, 10:27:15 AM

I like these guys for all conference:POY Baldwin
first team
Bowers-Maryville
Green-Piedmont
Render-Lagrange
??????-Maryville, Lambert will have someone step and i know who it is, but don't want to give away anything too early

If there is any shake up there, we may have Co-POY again this year

And just for Old Lion, i did name 5 guys up there, it goes back to the whole 5 man teams thing

Matt,

That looks like a reasonable starting point for an all-GSAC team to me ... especially the part about 5 guys to a team.

IMHO, Bowers, Green, and Render all should have been selected on the 1st or 2nd teams last year. Oh, that's right ... our "GSAC brain trust" *  that selected the all-GSAC team last year couldn't manage to continue past 8 selections.  ::) Wow! That was embarassing. I've never seen anything like that before ... and I hope I never do again.

Also, I'm sure Lambert will have several guys stepping up. Murvul doesn't rebuild ... they just reload. I noticed you didn't have Bo in your selections ... Does that mean the rumor is true that he is not playing this year?

QuotePosted by: scottiedoug  Posted on: Yesterday at 01:28:37 pm 
Hey Old Lion:  You're gettin' a lot of love from Scotties.  Make you nervous?

Nervous? Not at all ... I'll take all the love I can get.  :)

And finally ...
* Oxymoron of the day: GSAC brain trust   :D
   Al least with respect to last year's all GSAC selections.   ???
                                 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 31, 2007, 01:34:11 PM
Old Lion,
any word on Coppage?
Also, those guys were good last year, but last year's all gsac team was loaded with talent.  And the rumor is true, Bobo is at Liberty University. (not playing ball)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 31, 2007, 02:13:30 PM
Quoteany word on Coppage?

Not much ... I haven't had a chance to meet him, or see him play yet. But I hear he is fitting in and looking pretty good in pick up games. The word is, he has a solid all-around game and a nice shot ... he should be a good fit in our 4 guard sets.

My guess is that he will be part of what will primarily be a 7 or 8 man rotation. Disclaimer: Previous statement is conjecture, based on very little actual knowledge. As always, will be interesting to see how the team evolves ...

QuoteAlso, those guys were good last year, but last year's all gsac team was loaded with talent.

Agreed. I had no gripe with the 8 guys selected ... although I did feel that the 3 "glaring ommissions" were at least as worthy as about half of the 8 ... just my opinion.  My main problem was with picking an 8 man team ... or two 4 man teams ... or whatever the heck that logic was ...

QuoteAnd the rumor is true, Bobo is at Liberty University.

Wow ... what's "the rest of the story" on that one?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 04, 2007, 01:32:08 PM
Bobo is in seminary up there and doing great,
we saw him in July just before he was headed up there and he seemed very happy about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 04, 2007, 04:49:10 PM
Who knew BoBo was a Republican!  Coppage was rumored to have left MC's point guard job to focus more on religion and now BoBo goes to Liberty!  Is it that hard to play point for Randy?

The Fisk-GSAC uproar has been the major topic of "discussion" on the ODAC board recently.  Some folks can't let it go.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 06, 2007, 09:10:51 AM
Pat
I need to go ahead and recommend Sid Ellis from maryville to your all decade team.  As once was discussed on your board, he is one of only 75 or 76 players in the history of D3 to be a two time all american.  By putting him on the team you will get a lot less crap from Maryville fans than you will get if you leave him off. j/k   We know you will do the right thing.

Also, do you remember the days before you kicked our favorite maryville fan off the message board and all his talk about Sheila Evans and the MC dance team?

Ahhhh, D3hoops.com memories
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on September 08, 2007, 11:17:14 PM
Well if we were to discuss defense the POY would have to be Q.  He has the height to go from shutting down a little 4 man to the point guard.  He is also shooting the ball much better from the perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 11, 2007, 09:04:23 AM
I would like to see the addition of an all defensive team like the NBA does.

that is what made Michael Jordan so great, he was MVP and 1st team all defense
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 11, 2007, 11:35:13 AM
Grubby One i went back and read some of your posts I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!! You said it could be Piedmont's year?? It can also be the year the Falcons make it to the Super Bowl " NOT HAPPENING". Very disappointe din your opinion on the matter Mr.Grubb.

By the way get your mind right!!! Alumni game December 15th!!! You know who my first pick is!! oh yea i get first ick because my squad made you look silly just like Bowers will make all the GSAC opponents look silly this year!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on September 11, 2007, 12:25:30 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on August 31, 2007, 01:34:11 PM
Old Lion,
any word on Coppage?

Grubby One,

I finally had an opportunity to meet him and see him play.

Seems to be a good, solid guy as previously reported. I think he already has respect of his teammates.

His game is just what I'd expect coming out of Murvul. Very heady, well rounded, solid defensively ... I definitely see him in our top six or seven ... either starting on the wing or getting "starter minutes" coming off the bench at the wing and PG positions.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on September 11, 2007, 12:29:53 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on September 11, 2007, 11:35:13 AM
Grubby One i went back and read some of your posts I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!! You said it could be Piedmont's year?? It can also be the year the Falcons make it to the Super Bowl " NOT HAPPENING". Very disappointe din your opinion on the matter Mr.Grubb.

By the way get your mind right!!! Alumni game December 15th!!! You know who my first pick is!! oh yea i get first ick because my squad made you look silly just like Bowers will make all the GSAC opponents look silly this year!!

Killer,

It's probably not too late to get a refund on that diplomacy course ...

If you need a witness, I'll testify for you that it just didn't take ...   ;D

Your friend,
Old Lion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 11, 2007, 01:58:10 PM
Piedmont looks strong this year
and define it being another team's year in the GSAC, that means finishing 2nd to murvul
come on killer

bowers is about to knife through the GSAC like it is hot butter
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on September 12, 2007, 03:37:37 PM
Over on the USAC football board the word is out the Shenandoah's prez said in a column that they will petition to join the ODAC. Assuming that it goes through and since ODAC needs another football school I'm betting it does is this the first step to a GSAC collapse?
You have to think Piedmont would be atraget to fill the Honets shoes if not MC being asked to be a full member.

And for those who just can't wait till the first tip, here's some words from Lambert.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070912/SPORTS/70912024 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070912/SPORTS/70912024)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 12, 2007, 03:53:54 PM
how many teams from the USASC will defect to the ODAC total, could the ODAC become a D3 superconference like the big east and then the USASC take in the gsac and have maybe 10 members?

I need to know
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on September 12, 2007, 05:38:20 PM
I'm not sure anyone else would follow SU to the ODAC but its not improbable CNU could head for a more appreciative pasture.
Picking up Piedmont doesn't fix the football problem so where else do they go? LaGrange and Huntingdon are already taking their football to the midwest next season.
Maybe someone could talk some sense into Brevard and get them turned toward D3 instead of D2. That was amove that just didn't make sense to me. They had a good competitive program in a few sports and have been waxed since jumping. Visiting the campus last year it struck me as more in common with nonscholarship athletics than the direction its taking.
The odd thing is that none of these are going to be overnight moves so by the time this gets really complicated is when the D3-AA and D4 proposals will be up for discussion in 09, which could change everything. I dont even want to imagine what the state of things may be for the 10 and 11 seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 12, 2007, 09:42:15 PM
All I know is that when all this moving and shaking starts, I hope LaGrange is moving or shaking.  If Shenandoah leaves that gives the USASC 6 with a two year grace period for AQ status.  Maryville is closest and already a football member, Piedmont seems like a really smart fit for the USASC, and LaGrange is a long way from the closest team.  I just don't know....I just don't know.  I don't know where the loyalty lies.  What would we do with the single gender schools? What would the USASC do with their three single gender schools?  I do know that I am trying to schedule 19 non-conference games and that is like bobbing for apples in a pirahna pond.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 10:23:18 PM
I really think all four GSAC schools end up in the USAC if one of them does.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 13, 2007, 12:09:53 PM
i agree Pat, and i see maryville dominating them in men's basketball as well

Go Scots


Alex Bowers  GSAC POY 2008
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on September 13, 2007, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on September 13, 2007, 12:09:53 PM
Alex Bowers  GSAC POY 2008

Loyalty is a good thing ... but so is reasonableness.

None of us can predict the future, but I think the best you can reasonably hope for is that the "Murvul rule" is invoked again, as it was in 2007.

For the uninformed, legend (and irrefutable circumstantial evidence) has it that buried deep in the double secret bylaws of the GSAC is the "Murvul rule".

It states ...
In the rare and unforeseeable event that the by far and away most outstanding player (for clarification ... highest scorer*) happens to play for a team other than Murvul ... and King Lambert can catch the rest of the GSAC brain trust asleep at the wheel ... then a designated player from Murvul shall be picked to share the POY Award with the otherwise obviously most outstanding player/highest scorer.

The double secret bylaws further stipulate ...
* Let it be known that scoring average will be the overwhelmingly dominant consideration for all post season honors, because to consider other factors would require too much appreciation for the finer points of the game ... and, well frankly, too much thinking.

OK, OK ... simmer down Murvul faithful ... just a little levity to spice up the preseason ...  :D


OR IS IT?!?!  :o    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on September 13, 2007, 09:55:17 PM
For Murvul folks the conversation on the realignment continues on the USAC football board.
Old Lion I agree, seeing HC and LC make the move it a stretch because of geography. I know they're willing to do it for football with that new conference kicking in next season. But making the trips for all the other sports, hmmmm, I just don't know. It may rule against MC doing it.

BUt here's one I haven't seen mentioned, with the smaller size now, the men are no longer doing the play team a on Sat and team b on Sun road swings. Someone was always left out of that formula anyway. I think the 05-06 season HC and LC alternated with Fisk and MC for that purpose and Piedmont ended up getting everyone's sole attention.
Does the lack of those weekends favor Piedmont who is no longer the only team to get undivided attention or does it favor everyone else not having to make those Sat Sun conf trips?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 10:56:58 PM
If that conference realignment happens, it would almost certainly put teams in divisions. they wouldn't have to go to, say, CNU, every season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 14, 2007, 06:46:35 AM
A 10 team USASC doesn't really require that bad of a schedule.  You play one weekend in Dec. and from the second weekend in Jan til the end.  The travel partners play during the week and the pre-GSAC involved schools could still opt for weeknights to play other games as well.  All that travel would have half of the schools miss one Friday class in Dec., 2 in Jan. and 2 in Feb(if you made the conference tournament).  We have a Jan Term so that means we would never miss more than 2 classes per term.  The reason I mention that is that it seems to always come up in the discussion when we talk about this reclassification.  The two biggies are travel expense and class time.  If I played everyone in that league on a weekend schedule it would cost me 8 hotel nights.  We have 9 hotel nights this season.   That would give everybody 18 conference games and only 7 others to go get.  You wouldn't have to play another game that required an overnight stay if you didn't want to.  Let's take a vote of the public.  Is this a good idea?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 14, 2007, 09:44:19 AM
Old Lion,
Let's be honest here,  I firmly agree with your Murvul rule.  That was a classic post.  At least you are seeing reality.  That is good to know.

Scoring is not the sole factor, but the major one.

King Lambert does dominate the GSAC.

To the POY thing, i think Golden was the true POY and the All American voting justified that
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2007, 10:25:22 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on September 14, 2007, 06:46:35 AM
A 10 team USASC doesn't really require that bad of a schedule.  You play one weekend in Dec. and from the second weekend in Jan til the end.  The travel partners play during the week and the pre-GSAC involved schools could still opt for weeknights to play other games as well.  All that travel would have half of the schools miss one Friday class in Dec., 2 in Jan. and 2 in Feb(if you made the conference tournament).  We have a Jan Term so that means we would never miss more than 2 classes per term.  The reason I mention that is that it seems to always come up in the discussion when we talk about this reclassification.  The two biggies are travel expense and class time.  If I played everyone in that league on a weekend schedule it would cost me 8 hotel nights.  We have 9 hotel nights this season.   That would give everybody 18 conference games and only 7 others to go get.  You wouldn't have to play another game that required an overnight stay if you didn't want to.  Let's take a vote of the public.  Is this a good idea?
+1 Coach!  Your outlining the nitty-gritty details of how a new USAC would work (with hotel nights and class days missed) advances the discussion.

Another option would be to go divisions with double round-robin intra-division and single round-robin inter-division.  That results in fewer games for everyone so it might not answer the scheduling question of a 25-game season.

I personally like it.  I think that it makes Division III even more attractive!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 14, 2007, 05:37:30 PM
Coach Haynes is the man
Coach,
I play ball with a guy who played in your gym in 1993, he was not to complimentary.  I told him how many improvements you have made in your tenure.  He played at St. Andrew's in NC.  I had your back coach.  I am sure Isenhour is going to make you all keep improving the facilities.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 14, 2007, 06:35:12 PM
I hope you put a couple threes in his face.  Speaking of my back I messed it up working out this week.  This is not going to help me get in shape for my alumni game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 17, 2007, 10:14:49 AM
Speaking of alumni games "you better watch your back Grubby One" The killer is in top shape and he has the first pick!! Not looking good for you.

By the way forget MC Basketball for a minute and How About them Football Scots. Give Coach I a raise! Forget UT football and Mr.Full of it. He needs to resign!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 17, 2007, 02:47:15 PM
Go Scots
Maybe we could get that hightower kid to come over from the football team and play a little PG for the scots

Killer, your alumni team will play like your Y league team, just like warm garbage
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on September 17, 2007, 07:33:26 PM
I like the divisional play idea but then who from Carolina gets sent to play Ga, TN and Ala. to complete the division? If I count right it's 4 (MC, LC, HC and PC ) and 6 (MU, CNU, GC, NCW, FC, and AU). Someone would have to go play the GSAC schools if you work geographically for divisions (North and South).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 08:00:17 PM
The Divisions could go 6teams north and 4 teams south, and you take the top 3 from each division to the Tourney.  The ASC has 8 and 7 and in some sports the difference is even greater between ASC-East and ASC-West.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 18, 2007, 09:50:55 AM
Grubby One you will need all the help you can get!! My team might have looked like warm garbage but we won and have the same record as you. By the way I am a defending champion of that league. It is not my fault you guys could no afford to keep me on the team.

It is going to be a rebuilding year for your squad when you replace the Killa with Bradley Blair and Andy Chaney!!lol :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 18, 2007, 12:47:37 PM
you just get your mind right, i have a list of 35 alums who are potential players in the game and you are listed as a participant, not a player, i even have a special guest coaching appearance.

I would kill to have Andy Chingy on this team at the Y.

Also, my special guest coach just confirmed for the game, so get your mind right.  My team, no Franchise, is building one block at a time.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 19, 2007, 07:47:27 AM
By the way the only reason people will come out  and watch is to see the Killer and Housewright show!! We put 100 on you guys last year! I got the list it looks great!

Anyone interested in playing you can shoot me or Brent Watts an email.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 19, 2007, 02:54:49 PM
alright all you gsac maniacs here is my prediction for the might scots starting line up this year and since i am a better person than most of you (you can fill yourself in the blank and lie to yourself if you think you are better than the grubby one) but not all

PG- Jared Laverdie
SG- Quinn "The Ladies Man" Bradley
SF- Alex "I need to eat" Bowers
PF- Timmy "I was made a defensive player by Kendal Wallace" Blakeley
C- Chris "I get beat up alot" Orr

this is a bold prediction based purely on speculation, but i think these are the guys with the personalities who will fight the hardest for the starting roles.  2 sophomores a redshirt sophomore and 2 seniors

This is a bold prediction, players don't gain glory by sitting on the sidelines.  You all wait and see and if any of this is inaccurate, it is just b/c the grubby one has info he does not want to disclose.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 20, 2007, 08:47:41 AM
Obviously your info is as WACK as your game!!! ;)

I went by the school or should I say the house KRich built and saw some nice things. New air conditioning unit makes the gym look real nice! I saw the boys play a little and some good signs and not so good ones.

My potential line-up includes:
E.Watson
Q.Bradley
A.Bowers
J.Holliday
A.Shumate
but if i was the Coach I would go with a 4 guard line-up(with the transfer from ETSU) and Jeremy Holliday.

Watts get your mind right. The alumni Champ is working out!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 20, 2007, 01:50:55 PM
please
quit trying to hold down the scots.
First of all, never underestime the strength of the Orr
Second of all, Holliday or Shumate will definitely be in the starting line up at some point
Third, it is really tough to start at PG as a freshman
Fourth, I bet you will see the Q at point at some point
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 21, 2007, 03:37:57 PM
Since Lambert runs the GSAC and makes every decision himself( i am referring to earlier arguments on this board) He needs to get the GSAC to sign up for D3scoreboard.com

come randy
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 26, 2007, 07:46:06 AM
Great news from Panthersville, USA.  Robby Lawrence was drafted last night in the CBA draft by the Rio Grande Valley Silverados.  He was taken in the 6th and final round.  As I checked the list of the 60 draftees, Robby was the only D3 guy taken. Other 6th round picks included Haluska(Iowa) and Landry(Purdue).  His team took two other guys that he will compete against for time at the PG and SG.  Those were Ivan Jenkins(Lambuth) and Jerrius Jackson(Texas Tech).  I feel like I am a fairly humble fellow but there will be no hiding the smile on my face today when I get to tell everyone I know about this.  What really makes me proud is that Robby was a solid student, son of a minister(and not in the typical, go nuts way), hard working young man who affirmed to me each day that I was in the right profession.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 26, 2007, 03:10:20 PM
Coach that is a great reflection on you, D3 basketball, and, of course, Robby.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2007, 05:35:25 PM
St. Scholastica had a player drafted, as well.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=1425
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 27, 2007, 07:41:31 AM
Oops.  Good work Pat.  Somebody should give you a raise.   

Thanks Scottiedoug, I need all the good reflecting off of me that I can get. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 27, 2007, 01:34:06 PM
coach,
does this mean now that LC is a pipeline for pro ballers?
Are you going to be able to get in better recruits b/c you now have pro connections?
If you get in more talent and start beating murvul we are not going to be able to be as nice to you as we are now. j/k
That sounds like it could be a great thing for your program and a great opportunity for Robby.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 28, 2007, 07:50:29 AM
It should help us convince the kids that have aspirations of playing post college basketball.  We still aren't going to get NBA talent but we really need to steal a couple D2 level guys every now and then. I don't even consider Robby, Antoine or Demetris D2 level talent, they are just really good D3 players.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  I find myself hearing this statement from a lot of high school coaches or talent evaluators, "He could play D1/2 in the RIGHT SITUATION".  How about the right situation at any level pickle brains!  I could have played D1 if they were looking for a 6'3" center but you know that doesn't work to well in any situation.  When we are on our recruiting game, I feel like we can compete with anyone.  We really haven't been on our recruiting game.  Coach Dale Lomax is going to be the recruiting coach of the year! 

FYI: We just hired a new VP for enrollment management(great title uhh) and he is a Maryville guy and most recently worked at Berry.  That is a great background to help us reach our enrollment goal of 1200 and improve our retention rate.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 28, 2007, 07:54:37 AM
I have been meaning to mention this but it has slipped my mind.  If you haven't been to www.lagrange.edu lately, you should go and check out the new library that we broke ground on about a month ago.  It will be on the hill directly in front of Mariotti.  I hear that at the grand opening they are going to suprise me with a secret new gym built underneath the library.  That is how you have great student-athletes. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on September 28, 2007, 09:51:38 AM
2007 - 2008 Schedule Poster

http://www.piedmontlions.com/Sports/mbball/2007/newsletter.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 28, 2007, 11:52:06 AM
LC is movin' on up

The schedule for PC looks a lot better this year, it looks like they are moving away from all of the bible colleges, although there are a few of those games still on there, but not as many

Saw the website, Coach, with all that stuff you should be excited about the potential at LC

Notice the Killer has not been on here in a while, he is afraid of the Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on September 28, 2007, 12:31:09 PM
This is way off topic, but I thought it would be nice to congratulate Wilburt.  The Fisk soccer team won a game.  That makes 2 or 3 wins in the last 10 years.

Hurray!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 02, 2007, 09:21:30 AM
practice is so close i can taste it

Is there anyone out there from Huntingdon who can give us some insight as to what is going on down there?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on October 02, 2007, 02:36:27 PM
Gazing in the crystal ball, I fore see that just as the Pearl borrowed from Lambert in rotating his studs down low last season that MC will look a lot more like UT this season with pressure, pressure, pressure. What else makes sense when you're best four guys are all wings and nobody sees your available posts as a threat?

On that line what is with UT big men? Do they get dumber or something? I mean you get your chance to play a premier role as a freshman because the senior starter gets kicked off for dope and you think you won't get caught?

Hey since MC defeated LaGrange and Huntingdon in football are they the unofficial GSAC champs?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 03, 2007, 05:03:37 PM
I can guarantee one thing, Randy will have the scots ready to play

some of the games i like on their schedule are 
11/17 Averrett
12/17 Transy
2/6 Sewanee
I think these games will be the best measure of whether the scots are a tournament team or not this year and if Randy can find a style that is right for the players he has in his arsenal
and of course, all of the gsac games, these games are always awesome.

Watch out Baldwin, Orr is looking for you

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on October 03, 2007, 09:57:31 PM
Yeah keep a sharp lookout, if he's turned sideways you'll never see him approaching ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on October 08, 2007, 10:54:01 PM
What's the word on the alumni game now as far as date? Still for HC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 09, 2007, 08:24:39 AM
Not sure if anybody cares but it is less than a week until practice. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2007, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on October 09, 2007, 08:24:39 AM
Not sure if anybody cares but it is less than a week until practice. 
Actually I saw both McMurry coaches last weekend at McMurry homecoming, and they are ready to go!

McMurry Men (2007 ASC-West Co-champs) have re-loaded, and the women return everyone from last year's Pool C bid team except the All-American point guard Symbri Tuttle.

You Maryville fans will get to see the women in the Thanksgiving tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 09, 2007, 08:56:52 AM
Alumni Game December 15th..

Coach Haynes got two pretty dang good players at the high school. Randy is full of guards you may need a couple, let me know!!

Piedmont? Anyone interested shoot me an email. raulplaceres@sevier.org

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 09, 2007, 12:00:54 PM
Yes, i am well aware it is almost bball season.
I saw the toronta raptors take on Lottomatica Roma this weekend and while it is not college bball, it is the next best thing.

Killer, i hope your players are better than you b/c i gave you the business last night for the second week in a row.

Did any of you read that article on the Ozarks schedule?  and if you did name the player that coach OConner coached in both High School and College?  I will give you a hint:  The High School was Farragut High in knoxville and the college was Maryville College
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 11, 2007, 08:01:39 AM
Grubby One:

I see the type of player you have become! You beat one time and start talking smack. I guess you forgot to mention that was on the winning court for 5 straight games and I was playing with 4 Jeremy Hollidays!!

Hey excited about starting my own season and seeing the Scots get into action. Big year for Q, Bowers, and main man Randy Lambert!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on October 11, 2007, 04:43:17 PM
Question regarding a school in your Geographic area  -  I note that Knoxville College is playing several D3 schools  -  Went to their website but could find nothing on their athletic programs  -  are they affiliated with any Athletic group?  I looked but did not see them in NCAA D2, NAIA, NCCAA. USCAA, or ASCA, but may have missed them in one of the lists   -   thanks for any info.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 12, 2007, 02:43:09 PM
I think Knoxville College, an old historically black college, is unaffiliated in athletics  with anything.  They occasionally play Fisk and Rust and used to play Maryville but not in recent memory.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 12, 2007, 07:24:29 PM
Knoxville College has really fallen on hard times as of late.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on October 14, 2007, 01:48:53 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on October 03, 2007, 09:57:31 PM
Yeah keep a sharp lookout, if he's turned sideways you'll never see him approaching ::)

:D


Who chooses the alumni date? Bad choice IMHO  as students will be going home for break and people are busy during the holidays. Hopefully, I'll be wrong but MC's gym is dead over the holidays. It depresses me...give me a full lively gym anytime!

Nice to hear about LaGrange's Library. Very nice. I wish we could all have gym's like Transy's. When I win the lottery...  ;)  I still think the BBQ will bring them in to LaGrange as much as the pipeline to the pros. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 15, 2007, 11:11:44 AM
well the thinking on the alumni game is that methodist will be a tough game for the scots but one that they can win with home court advantage.
If we pack an empty gym with a bunch or rowdy alums it will give the scots a better home court advantage.

It also gives alums a chance to see the scots play and win at home and we have to keep that attendance up.  We think we can get about 100 extra people into the gym for the alumni game with players and families.

By the way killer, i didn't have to a single game to start talking trash
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 15, 2007, 02:40:58 PM
http://www.uamsports.com/mens%20basketball/schedule.htm
I thought this looked interesting, maybe UAM should see how they do against Mississippi College before they come to knoxville and play the vols, if they can't beat The Chocs they may just want to take a left out of the airport and the scots give them the business instead of the vols.

first game Mississippi College
Second game Tennessee Vols

that looks like two pieces of bread missing the Randy and his crew to make a Murvul sandwich
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 01, 2007, 03:58:02 PM
Here is link to Marcus' first story of the season about the Murvul men bballers.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20071101/SPORTS/71101012
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 02, 2007, 11:27:22 AM
Gotta love those D3/D1 matchups ...

Our team sort of brings that Disney Classic, Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs, to mind. The good news is our "Snow White" is still a stud, and several of "The Dwarfs" are pretty damn good, as well. I think we'll be OK against D3 competition.

It probably won't be the last time we get out rebounded this season ... but I don't think we'll approach that lopsided 62 to 25 margin again.

The good news from last night was ...
* Once we FINALLY got it going, we competed very well and played them virtually even for over half the game ... until "bench clearing time" the last few minutes. Depth may not be our greatest strength right now.
* We handled their full court pressure well.
* We looked cohesive and aggressive in our various defenses ... there just wasn't much we could do to keep them off the glass.
* Sam is a nice addition ... thanks, Murvul.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/mbball/2007/11/2/11_01_07_mbkb.asp

http://www.gwusports.com//pdf3/93909.pdf?SPID=4168&DB_OEM_ID=10300&SPSID=46209

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 05, 2007, 05:26:10 PM
Murvul Scots vs. Lee-McRae tonight
hope things go well for the scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 06, 2007, 08:22:29 AM
Piedmont you are welcome on Samuel!

I went by the gym that K Rich built and saw an ok performance by the Scots. The new freshman is going to be a stud. Maryville will rely heavily on its perimeter play this year. Post play will be by committee.

Watts nice to see you. Stop trying to buy players for the alumni game!! How about a line-up of Dee Bell, Chris Housewright, Sidney Ellis, Monte Calloway, and yours truly!!
A definite win!! Nick Lollar, Jeff McCord, and Walden Buttram will round out are top 8!!

Watts that spells a definite LOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS for your squad!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 06, 2007, 08:52:40 AM
I would get some of the current scots to play on my team, but they couldn't beat us

I thought they looked good last night, lees mcrae looked more like a D3 than a D2 team, but at least a decent D3 team and the scots won the scrimmage

The scots have some hidden strengths and some very visible weaknesses, it will be interesting
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2007, 02:08:13 PM
Hey Pat,

Mississippi College's Tyler Winford ...

I'm just curious as to why this guy would be a 3rd team preseason All-American. I'm not picking on the guy ... he's a good player. It's just that I've known him since high school and have followed his career.

Seems to me, he had a pretty decent freshman year and has declined steadyly since then ...

You can do a search and see his career numbers here ...
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careerplayer

He is a 6'6 big guy. Last year, he averaged 6.8 points and 2.5 rebounds ... I mean, he was only the fifth leading scorer on his own team???

How can those #s qualify you for pre-season honors of any sort? Just curious as to what sort of selection process could identify that guy as potentially one of the top 15 players in the nation? Wow ...



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2007, 02:47:34 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 06, 2007, 02:08:13 PM
Hey Pat,

Mississippi College's Tyler Winford ...

I'm just curious as to why this guy would be a 3rd team preseason All-American. I'm not picking on the guy ... he's a good player. It's just that I've known him since high school and have followed his career.

Seems to me, he had a pretty decent freshman year and has declined steadyly since then ...

You can do a search and see his career numbers here ...
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careerplayer

He is a 6'6 big guy. Last year, he averaged 6.8 points and 2.5 rebounds ... I mean, he was only the fifth leading scorer on his own team???

How can those #s qualify you for pre-season honors of any sort? Just curious as to what sort of selection process could identify that guy as potentially one of the top 15 players in the nation? Wow ...
In Coach Jones' system, no player racks up "big" numbers.

Winford's qualities are as a true leader.  If I could cherry-pick one player from another ASC team to play for McMurry, I think that I would choose Winford.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2007, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2007, 02:47:34 PM
In Coach Jones' system, no player racks up "big" numbers.

Ralph,

I understand that they play a lot of people ... but scoring-wise, (which we both know is usually the primary consideration for all star teams) four of his teammates had "bigger" #s ... and he, himself had "bigger" #s his first two years.

QuoteWinford's qualities are as a true leader.  If I could cherry-pick one player from another ASC team to play for McMurry, I think that I would choose Winford.

Hey, I like him too ... and would love to have him on our team, as well. I just think a 6'6 guy in D3, who averages less than 7 ppg and 3 rpg, being named pre-season All-American ... well, I'm having a difficult time imagining that much leadership ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 07, 2007, 10:39:01 AM
I would like to wish coach jones a speedy recover from his surgery.  yes, even a fighting scot, who has lost to his team in the 2nd round 4 times in 9 years, beat them once, has a compassionate side.

Good luck coach jones and chances are we will see you in March

Winford was injured last year i believe, but he is an animal
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2007, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 06, 2007, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2007, 02:47:34 PM
In Coach Jones' system, no player racks up "big" numbers.

Ralph,

I understand that they play a lot of people ... but scoring-wise, (which we both know is usually the primary consideration for all star teams) four of his teammates had "bigger" #s ... and he, himself had "bigger" #s his first two years.

QuoteWinford's qualities are as a true leader.  If I could cherry-pick one player from another ASC team to play for McMurry, I think that I would choose Winford.

Hey, I like him too ... and would love to have him on our team, as well. I just think a 6'6 guy in D3, who averages less than 7 ppg and 3 rpg, being named pre-season All-American ... well, I'm having a difficult time imagining that much leadership ...
My sources say that Tyler Winford could start at D-1 Texas State, Sam Houston State or Stephen F Austin.  He has a great 20' jump shot.  He just doesn't "blossom" in Coach Jones' system.

Winford was recruited by Coach Don Lofton and chose Mississippi College for the academics.  He is pre-med and can go to any medical school that he chooses next year, Mississippi, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Emory, etc.  In another system, he would be 18 points 7 boards per game playing 30 minutes per night.  With Coach Jones out with his bypass surgery, let's see what Winford does early in the season.

(Shucks, he would be 2nd team All-American at McMurry!  Blatant homerism!   :D)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2007, 04:32:14 PM
He was the ASC East Division preseason player of the year. He was also hurt last year. The coaches who see him night in and night out thought he had the potential to do big things this year and so do we.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 07, 2007, 05:11:17 PM
Old Lion,
Here is something for you to digest.  I saw the scots play the other day in their scrimmage and it was probably more beneficial than playing a D1 school since Lees Mcrae looked just like a really good D3 team.  I am going to have to say i saw another murvul team capable of winning a conference title.  Here is how i see it
murvul  5-1  loss at the cave
pc         4-2  losses at Murvul and Lagrange
Lc         3-3  victories-2 over HC and 1 over PC
HC        0-for their lives

I will admit i did not see anyone at murvul who could match up with Baldwin, yet, but given a few games under their young belts and they won't be able to stop him but maybe contain him.  And like everyone knows, the scots have a lot of firepower from the perimeter.  I think the one thing everyone is over looking is the return of Jonathan Johnson, he is a silent killer.  He doesn't throw the powerful punches of a Bobby Golden, but he knows right where to hit you, like a Chuck Norris.


I know you will disagree with this, but i would like to hear your opinion on this subject, especially your opinion of how HC and LC will do this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 07, 2007, 06:08:26 PM
Murvul might not have a low-post presence but i would say they might have the deepest frontcourt of any Scots team I have seen with some fresh faces mixing in and getting quality minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 08, 2007, 08:31:06 AM
Gardner-Webb over Kentucky 84 -68 ... at Rupp Arena! Wow ...

http://www.gwusports.com//pdf2/94982.pdf?SPID=4168&DB_OEM_ID=10300&SPSID=46209

They even out rebounded UK, 37 to 29.

I guess I feel a little better about our loss to GW.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 08, 2007, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 07, 2007, 05:11:17 PM
Old Lion,
Here is something for you to digest.  I saw the scots play the other day in their scrimmage and it was probably more beneficial than playing a D1 school since Lees Mcrae looked just like a really good D3 team.  I am going to have to say i saw another murvul team capable of winning a conference title.  Here is how i see it
murvul  5-1  loss at the cave
pc         4-2  losses at Murvul and Lagrange
Lc         3-3  victories-2 over HC and 1 over PC
HC        0-for their lives

I will admit i did not see anyone at murvul who could match up with Baldwin, yet, but given a few games under their young belts and they won't be able to stop him but maybe contain him.  And like everyone knows, the scots have a lot of firepower from the perimeter.  I think the one thing everyone is over looking is the return of Jonathan Johnson, he is a silent killer.  He doesn't throw the powerful punches of a Bobby Golden, but he knows right where to hit you, like a Chuck Norris.


I know you will disagree with this, but i would like to hear your opinion on this subject, especially your opinion of how HC and LC will do this year.

Disagree? Not at all Matt ... If Gardner Webb can go into Rupp Arena and beat UK by 16 ... well, sounds like a good time to quit predicting outcomes ...

Besides, you picked PC to split with Murvul ... that would be an improvement ...

You want my opinion on LC and HC ... I have no idea ... I've seen both their rosters, and I don't know very much about any of their players. The only predictions I can come up with re those two teams ...

1) I bet LC will play very hard. Also, they signed Antoine Maddox's brother ... that concerns me.

2) If a fight breaks out, I wouldn't bet against HC. Have you seen their roster? Apparently, the food is a lot better at HC than it is at PC. They've got a heck of an offensive line on that basketball team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 09, 2007, 07:34:58 AM
I don't even know what LC will be like this year.  It is definitely different than the last time we had to replace a lot of weapons but there is still a lot to learn.  To be cliche...we are learning everything that we need to but it is still not a habit yet.  We had one JUCO scrimmage and it went by way too quickly so the 30 minutes of practice we had after it was over worked better for us than the actual scrimmage.  We scrimmage at Tuskegee tonight.  We played them last season and it was Coach Leon Douglas' first season after leading Stillman to the D2 national tournament in his third season there.  I imagine they will be better but I don't know how much.  We really need to be tested because some of our young guys haven't figured out to compete on every play in practice yet, so there are gaps in our practice that I am not happy with.  Antoine's brother is an awesome young man just like Antoine but he is a good bit behind as a player.  Don't let that scare you old lion.  Still, don't leave him open in the corner or you can count it.  One SCAC note Oglethorpe hired a living legend Ron Bell as an Assistant Coach and they really played well against Samford.  Piedmont and Oglethorpe go at it this weekend and it is a shame I can't scout that because I really feel like it would be entertaining.  The Scots had a rough ride to North Georgia last night and I bet both teams got a lot out of that scrimmage.  I was looking at Coach Faulkner's roster yesterday and their are a couple names that I didn't know about who will help him improve this season.  Our preview should be up on the web early next week which will give everyone a little more insight to the Panthers.  As usual we open up with a brutal first 6 games.  Opening weekend at our place with Emory & Henry and then Centre/Rust, then at Sewanee, then Emory/Oglethorpe at Maryville, then at Covenant who my assistants saw beat Berry last night by going 12/28 from the 3pt line on the road.  I can't wait to see them shoot it at home. Then we relax for a couple of days before we go to Methodist on Dec. 2. When I find who made this schedule, we are going to have a serious talk.  The GSAC predictions were probably dead on but I just could never say with 100% confidence that anyone will beat Maryville until it happens.  I don't care if Spencer Beaty and the Hamburglar started at the 4 & 5, they would still get it done. I also don't think anyone will go winless. For our sake...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 11, 2007, 10:03:48 PM
Piedmont Observations:

As I said in an early post, depth may not be our biggest strength right now.

We looked good in a scrimmage against Oglethorpe on Saturday. We won the first 20 minutes. We were also ahead in the 2nd period until the waning minutes when Coach Ponder put his starters back in against our 2nd unit. That group didn't fare very well against their full court pressure.

Right now, we are basically a 6 man team.

In Baldwin, we have a very good scorer/ big man .. a 4 year starter.

In Green, we have a very good PG ... a 4 year starter.

Our next 4 guys, Parker, Mayweather, Rubio, and Coppage are all very solid.

IMHO, the contributions of the next 3 guys will be the key to our season. Before all is said and done, there will be stretches when we are going to have to depend on these guys ... because "stuff happens" ... we aren't going to always be able to play Baldwin 35+ minutes a game. And even if we could (if Baldwin stays healthy and never runs into a "whistle happy ref") that's asking a lot of a big guy. With all the effort and dirty work required of a big guy, I think it's virtually impossible for that position to play effectively for 35+ minutes per game.

These guys emergence will be critical.

Chuck McCoy, 6-4 ... is going to be essential. Had he not had a bad ankle much of the preseason, he would definitely be competing for a starting spot right now. As he plays his way back into shape, his becoming a presence on the boards is going to be key to our becoming a well - balanced team. He is going to have an impact ... hopefully, sooner, rather than later.

Phillip Sloan, 6-8 ... also slowed by an off-season injury. If he can develop into a solid back-up for Baldwin (give us 10 or so minutes per game) and maybe even play with him occasionally ... then I'd say we'd have all the pieces we need for a very successful team. I'm hoping the coaches are putting in a lot of patient effort into helping this young man develop.

My sleeper ... 6-4, Will Martin. This guy plays with a lot of effort and desire.  There is no reason he can't become a key role player, a key contributor. He just needs to relax and play with a little more confidence.

Caveat:
As always, that's just my opinion ... I could be wrong.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 12, 2007, 11:37:14 AM
Coach Haynes:  I saw Emory and Henry last year in the ODAC tournamant.  Y'all picked an interesting challenge for an opener!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 12, 2007, 10:13:08 PM
Fellow posters,
I am trying to get a certain student section pumped up.  You represent different colleges and regions of the south.  I need a couple really good cheers...any help?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 13, 2007, 06:54:51 AM
Emory & Henry should be interesting.  In one way it is insane for an opening game because it will be complete choas, but on the other hand, you can be successful even if you aren't completely satisfied with your teams progress at the start of the season.  For example, our help in the post is not very good right now.  That won't matter against E&H.  If we are strong with the ball, make lay-ups and rebound I feel like we have a chance. 
SB: I am personally a huge fan of the goal shaking, uniform boooooo!  I feel like the booo has been passed over for humiliating chants, child-like complaining and unexpressable anger.  The concensus boooo from a student section over a bad call or when a certain player checks into the game or touches the ball can be a tough but classy atmosphere.  I miss it.  I used to get booed a lot in high school, but that may have been because of my mullet and the fact that I wore purple high tops. 

Our final scrimmage went well.  We definitely finalized some depth chart questions and discovered our remaining weaknesses that we will be working on.  There will be times this season where we won't have a senior on the floor and possibly no one with previous LC experience on the floor either....scary!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 13, 2007, 10:25:19 AM
Coach:  I know you know this, but E&H will make it really hard for you to get the ball upcourt after they score.  And their shooters are required to shoot from absolutely all over the place.  Coach Johnson has taken an extended leave to get treatments for cancer and an assistant has taken over.  It is really a sad situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 13, 2007, 01:48:40 PM
I agree doug, Coach Johnson is a good dude, he will remember my little joke that some of you know and still mortifies randy lambert to this day.  In true murvul fashion, we took care of you young casey johnson when he spent a week with us at murvul in the summer.

Coach haynes, i will say your backcourt sure will get a work out in that first game.  Also, if you have any newcomers that like to score, welcome to D3 bball.

The scots have quite a task when they take on Averett.  I still think the scots are going to come out victorious though.

There are a lot of good matchups for the GSAC that first week including Rust, Sewanee, and Centre.  I will be at the tournament at murvul so be ready.

Go Scots!!!   I am starting the timmy blakely POY campaign today so all of you jump on board TB'08
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on November 13, 2007, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 13, 2007, 06:54:51 AM
  I used to get booed a lot in high school, but that may have been because of my mullet and the fact that I wore purple high tops. 
...scary!

Quote from: coachwgh on November 13, 2007, 06:54:51 AMOur final scrimmage went well.  We definitely finalized some depth chart questions and discovered our remaining weaknesses that we will be working on.  There will be times this season where we won't have a senior on the floor and possibly no one with previous LC experience on the floor either....scary!
coach...please expand on these weaknesses...tell us all about them...and don't fix them until after december 2 at about 5:30 pm :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 13, 2007, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on November 12, 2007, 10:13:08 PM
Fellow posters,
I am trying to get a certain student section pumped up.  You represent different colleges and regions of the south.  I need a couple really good cheers...any help?

Rah Rah Rah
Punch 'em in the Head
Bite 'em Bite 'em
Kill 'em Dead

or

Rah Rah Ree
Kick 'em in the knee
Rah Rah Ruts
Kick 'em in....

the other knee!!

Sad! That's all I got!   :P
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 13, 2007, 05:17:21 PM
this board must be tough...I see one poster with about 150 posts and a negative 55 Karma...another guy with 300 posts and minus 75....

Brutal!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 13, 2007, 07:06:28 PM
yeah that is how we roll here on this board...go hard or go home.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 13, 2007, 07:07:48 PM
on the line of cheering i hope the scots can muster a better "is that not the winning team" cheer.  Last year was one weak one after the next.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 13, 2007, 09:34:48 PM
Yeah the USASouth board is a pushover!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 14, 2007, 09:46:23 AM
i hope wilburt was not watching ESPN last night as they showed the score of the women's Fisk vs. Lipscomb game last night, let's just say you have all seen the outcome of their games and Jay and Hubert shared a laugh
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 15, 2007, 04:14:21 PM
well when anyone gets beat by 101 points you know there is something wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 17, 2007, 11:09:52 PM
Looks like Mr. Bowers is ready for the challenge as Murvul handles the pre-season USASouth favorite.  Anybody see it?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2007, 07:54:01 PM
Good report, battered bard! :)

I think that Murvul can take it to the next level with Bowers!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 19, 2007, 09:59:35 AM

http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/MensBasketball/m111607a.htm#GAME.BOX

Coach Haynes,

Amazing game Friday night, very entertaining ... I have to admit I'm not a big fan of Emory and Henry's style (giving up 50+ layups per game is not my idea of defense) ... 15 deep, 5 in and 5 out, every minute to minute and a half, like hockey line changes. But they certainly executed it well and played with impressive energy.

Render has got to love you for opening with that game. It got his FG% stats off to a heck of a start. It could be 2008 before his cumulative FG% drops below 60%.

Check this out.
http://www.ehc.edu/teamphotos/2007/02/2007022303222767/mbstat07.html
Last year, their 25 opponents combined, shot 59.5% from the field against them ... wow.

However, I was disappointed when I reviewed the box score. Those guys sitting at your table are still apathetic re tracking assists ... There was great ball movement and unselfish play by both teams ... I would estimate in the neighborhood of at least 80 or so assists (on 166 FGs) combined. Your stat people recorded 28 ... that's sad.  Landon, I feel for you, buddy.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 19, 2007, 11:45:43 AM
well i noticed that the Murvul v. Averett game was tabbed as worth watching and i bet it was.  Alex Bowers break out performance in the season opener.  If everyone remembers, Bowers started to break out last season but it was tough with all that emphasis on the post game last year.  Now Bowers has his chance.  Good job scots and good luck in Danville.  Did anyone notice that Averett was second in receiving votes and centre was third.  if the scots beat both of them, shouldn't they be considered for the top 25, but let's not get ahead of ourselves b/c centre is a very tough place to play.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 19, 2007, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 19, 2007, 11:45:43 AM
well i noticed that the Murvul v. Averett game was tabbed as worth watching and i bet it was. 

Good win for the Scots.

Piedmont is also off to a nice start.

Article:
http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2007/11/18/11_18_07_mball.asp?path=mbball

Box Score:
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/07-08stats/pcm01.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 19, 2007, 12:04:10 PM
old-lion:

Speaking of defense, did anybody play any in the Piedmont-Rust game?
Good luck w/ Ferrum.  I do not know if we should want GSAC teams to beat the USASouth all the time in case we want to join "their" league someday....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 19, 2007, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 19, 2007, 12:04:10 PM
Speaking of defense, did anybody play any in the Piedmont-Rust game?

They tried ... but we were just running our stuff and pushing the ball too well.  ;D

Seriously, we were moving the ball well, getting good open looks ... and hitting a lot of them.

Regarding our defense, I thought we did OK for a bunch of vertically challenged guys.  :)

I don't know if we'll ever be known for our defense, but we do put out a lot of effort on that end too. You have to remember that one reason we give up so many points is that we are constantly playing up tempo, pushing the ball. It must be quite a "culture shock" for Sam ... but he loves it ... and I'm betting he'll get better and better as he gets more acclimated to the pace. There is a real art to playing up tempo ... and under control. It's not as easy as it looks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 19, 2007, 12:34:48 PM
It does not look easy to me....

Maybe y'all should try Emory and Henry and see who can run up and down the floor  best.  Didn't Rust just play them?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 19, 2007, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 19, 2007, 12:34:48 PM
Maybe y'all should try Emory and Henry and see who can run up and down the floor  best.  Didn't Rust just play them?

I would love to see us play Emory and Henry. With our guards, I think we could handle their pressure ... but who knows, those guys are relentless! Their game with LaGrange was impressive. I'd never seen anything quite like their effort and how they constantly attacked on both ends.

Rust did play them. I haven't been able to find a box score, but one of the Rust players told me they beat E&H on a shot at the buzzer. Per D3Hoops, it was 108 -106.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 19, 2007, 02:52:45 PM
good for the lions, hopefully they will bring their best to conference schedule this year.
No suprise with the results for HC
where is allen white now?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 19, 2007, 03:29:32 PM
We are not very good right now, but we will get better.  the E&H and Rust game was a great one to watch.  Rust was up the whole game.  Their speed negated the penetration of E&H and their athleticism negated the rebounds.  E&H kept chipping away and after each wave of runs by both teams Rust's lead shrank a few points.  Guy makes two FTs to cut it to two....Rust throws the inbound pass in the bleachers...E&H out of bounds under...3pt attempt, off reb, 3pt attempt, off reb, 3pt attempt...GOOD!  2.6 seconds left and they passed on 2 lay-ups to get those 3's.  Rust inbounded...two dribbles across 1/2 court and banked home a 35 footer at the buzzer. 
At Sewanee tomorrow.  The pain never stops.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 19, 2007, 06:13:30 PM
Bowers needs help and he will get it from me when they come back home.  Go Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 19, 2007, 09:14:39 PM
Coach haynes
good luck at sewanee
Pursell learned from the Best this summer, the grubby one, so let me know what you think of him after tomorrow night.

Bowers will have the support of all the fighting scots this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: sludge on November 19, 2007, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 19, 2007, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 19, 2007, 12:34:48 PM
Maybe y'all should try Emory and Henry and see who can run up and down the floor  best.  Didn't Rust just play them?

I would love to see us play Emory and Henry. With our guards, I think we could handle their pressure ... but who knows, those guys are relentless! Their game with LaGrange was impressive. I'd never seen anything quite like their effort and how they constantly attacked on both ends.

Rust did play them. I haven't been able to find a box score, but one of the Rust players told me they beat E&H on a shot at the buzzer. Per D3Hoops, it was 108 -106.

A surprisingly low scoring affair, for an E&H trackmeet.  Someone must have played defense somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 20, 2007, 10:21:13 PM
Wow!!! ... a great start to the season ... don't pinch me, I don't want to wake up!

I know these gawdy numbers can't last ... but these first two games have been a heck of a lot of fun!

http://www.piedmontlions.com/

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/07-08stats/pcm02.htm

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/07-08stats/teamcume.htm

Baldwin and Green averaging double doubles ... Coppage averaging 22.5 ... Parker, Rubio, Mayweather playing great ... McCoy starting to bounce back from injury ... Martin, emerging as a gutty role player ...the freshman will  have their moments before it's all said and done ...

I have to go lie down now ... I'm getting light headed ...  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2007, 01:18:45 AM
Congratulations Coach Haynes on the win tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 21, 2007, 08:30:15 AM
Don't try to figure out basketball.  Coaches have a little bit of a paranoid side to them and even the unorganized sometimes panic over the smallest mistake with time of pre-game meal or when you stretch before a game.  Leading in to yesterday's game @ Sewanee was a very anxious experience.  We depart LaGrange and hit traffice before we get up to speed.  It takes us close to six hours to make a 4 hour trip.  We eat our pre-game meal on the bus in the last 30 minutes of the ride and arrive at the game 4 minutes into the second half of the girls game.  We do some scout talk that is usually done on the bus in the locker room and next thing you know it is time to warm-up.  Fortunately we have enough new guys that they aren't sure what is supposed to go on and it had no ill effects.  We answered the bell every single time in that game and I was very proud of how our guys competed.  Sewanee is a very dangerous team.  They will have a say in who gets in or gets left out of the SCAC tourney. 

Thanks, Ralph.  I might get to see your MC Ladies at Maryville this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 21, 2007, 09:12:31 AM
good win coach
i noticed Pursell had some good numbers, thats what i taught him but i am glad LC came out victorious

I get happy everytime GSAC sshools get good nonconference wins

The Murvul game was postponed.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2007, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 20, 2007, 10:21:13 PM
Wow!!! ... a great start to the season ... don't pinch me, I don't want to wake up!

old_lion - you know i have to do this...it's required...you know i root for pc every time out except against mu...but you're getting worked up over a 10 point home win vs. a team that was picked last in the usasac and won just 12 games last year and another home win against a team that won just 11 games last year...a win is a win is a win, but i think there might be a bit of hyperbole in the statements quoted above, don't you :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 21, 2007, 01:56:24 PM
good point Narch, we want to invite you Narch, to the Murvul College, alumni bball game on Dec. 15th, yes that means your monarchs will have the stands full at murvul college with all the old dirty fighting scots alums.  hopefully it will make for a nasty environment for a visiting team, so we want you to come to the game.  We will have a ticket waiting for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 21, 2007, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: narch on November 21, 2007, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 20, 2007, 10:21:13 PM
Wow!!! ... a great start to the season ... don't pinch me, I don't want to wake up!

old_lion - you know i have to do this...it's required...you know i root for pc every time out except against mu...but you're getting worked up over a 10 point home win vs. a team that was picked last in the usasac and won just 12 games last year and another home win against a team that won just 11 games last year...a win is a win is a win, but i think there might be a bit of hyperbole in the statements quoted above, don't you :)

Holster your weapon, narch ... there is no need to wizz on my parade.  :D

I don't know about hyperbole ... I'd term it more pure enthusiasum and amazement. I didn't say we were ready to beat Murvul ... or Methodist, even. I'm just pumped about how well we played. I think if you'd seen the games, you'd have been impressed, as well. Ask your old friend what he thought.

We have 5 guys within an inch or two of 6 feet in our top six, our 7th guy has been hurt ... and we have very little depth. We are a good bet to get out rebounded everytime out. I know we are going to have to shoot the ball very well to have a chance at a W in almost every game on our schedule.  And I have no illusions that we'll be able to keep up the torrid pace of the first two games ... that would be virtually impossible.  As we all know, jumpshots can be fickle creatures ...

So pardon me if I take my pleasure where I can find it.

BTW, I'm not saying Rust or Ferrum are national powers ... but I think they are both decent teams .... they were both 2-0 at the time.

Ferrum had very good depth. I think they played 5 or 6 guys in the 6'5 to 6'7 range who weren't bad.

Rust had beaten two fairly good teams ... Centre & Emory and Henry. Apparently, Centre rec'd some votes in the nat'l rankings (http://www.scac-online.org/) ... and I guarantee you E&H could give a lot of people problems.




Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2007, 10:21:38 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 21, 2007, 02:55:51 PMI didn't say we were ready to beat Murvul ... or Methodist, even.
if there's any team you're ready to beat, it's the monarchs and you know that as well as i do :)

listen, i'm glad that pc is off to the start that they are, but your excitement seemed a little over the top...that's all

on a side note and off-topic, do think my old friend is remotely ready for what's about to hit him?  i thought i was, but i had NO IDEA...life altering (in a great way) is understatement :)

grubb - thanks but no thanks...i'm not a mountains guy...dueling banjo's just aren't my thing...besides, i'm not real keen on watching the monarchs get hammered :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2007, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 21, 2007, 08:30:15 AM
Don't try to figure out basketball.  Coaches have a little bit of a paranoid side to them and even the unorganized sometimes panic over the smallest mistake with time of pre-game meal or when you stretch before a game.  Leading in to yesterday's game @ Sewanee was a very anxious experience.  We depart LaGrange and hit traffice before we get up to speed.  It takes us close to six hours to make a 4 hour trip.  We eat our pre-game meal on the bus in the last 30 minutes of the ride and arrive at the game 4 minutes into the second half of the girls game.  We do some scout talk that is usually done on the bus in the locker room and next thing you know it is time to warm-up.  Fortunately we have enough new guys that they aren't sure what is supposed to go on and it had no ill effects.  We answered the bell every single time in that game and I was very proud of how our guys competed.  Sewanee is a very dangerous team.  They will have a say in who gets in or gets left out of the SCAC tourney. 

Thanks, Ralph.  I might get to see your MC Ladies at Maryville this weekend.


I hope you can see Tarra Richardson.

IMHO, she is a Jostens candidate.  Legitimate All-American, humble likable player, "all team/no me", 3.9 GPA in Finance, great family! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 21, 2007, 11:24:20 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.   I want to extend LaGrange's thoughts and prayers to the Maryville family as they deal with their recent tragedy.  I look forward to visiting Maryville this weekend.  I always enjoy the trip just usually not the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 22, 2007, 12:50:02 AM
Quote from: narch on November 21, 2007, 10:21:38 PM
listen, i'm glad that pc is off to the start that they are, but your excitement seemed a little over the top...that's all

You're right ... my excitement was definitely over the top ... but, no apologies ... we played a couple of outstanding games ... and I was pumped!

Quoteon a side note and off-topic, do think my old friend is remotely ready for what's about to hit him?  i thought i was, but i had NO IDEA...life altering (in a great way) is understatement :)

If he is ready, more power to him ... most people aren't ... I know I wasn't. I heard it said once, that if you wait until you're ready, you'll never have them ... you just have to jump in the deep end and learn to swim on the fly ... we'll all pray for him ...  :D  If you and I could muddle through ... he'll probably be OK.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 22, 2007, 10:08:02 AM
It is always tough going through a tragedy like this one.  When you mix a small back road and going to fast bad things happen.  Pray for the two whose life is in the balance during this time of thanks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2007, 11:36:03 AM
tough is an understatement Spencer, but this will bring the community together, which is a positive that can come out of this awful tragedy.

Narch, we don't have dueling banjos, we got rid of those 2 years ago, when we got shoes here in the mountains.  Don't go counting your chickens before they hatch, there is not guarantee this year's murvul team will hammer anyone.

Old Lion, I always appreciate your enthusiasm, i just hope your PC lions don't have that kind of enthusiasm, b/c your amount of enthusiasm is what makes teams great.  I will say there has definitely been much more enthusiasm about being a fighting scot over the past 10 years than any other team in the GSAC.  I would argue that it is the enthusiasm that has allowed Randy to accomplish what he has done over the past 10 years.  Recruit the players, develop the players, and overachieve with those players.   Please Old Lion, always bring your enthusiasm to this board.

Go scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 22, 2007, 09:17:54 PM
Matt,
I appreciate the empathy.  I think my Lions will have plenty of enthusiasim ... it's the lack of height and depth that concerns me.  If heart and effort were all that were required, we'd win 'em all.  We'll see ...

Coach Haynes,
Congrats on the win at Suwanee.  We have them next...  Hopefully, you taught them that they have no choice but to succumb to the mighty GSAC ...  :o  Nah ... you probably just pi$$ed them off ...  :-\   I'm sure we'll have our work cut out for us ... just like every other game.

Killer,
I don't know how to break this to you ... but you have dropped to 2nd place on my list of favorite ex-Murvul players. (Easy Matt, I never saw you play ...)  Mr Coppage is now securely in 1st place.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 23, 2007, 09:40:45 AM
Whoa what about the great Beaty?  I was a warrior.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 23, 2007, 10:59:33 AM
I appreciate the respect Old Lion and i can see why coppage is on the top of your list.  Let me know what you think about the pursell/baldwin match up.  I saw Pursell dunk on Wayne Chism for the vols this summer and it was hilarious.  I think the Pursell/Baldwin matchup will be a battle between 2 of the better big men in the south, with the obvious exception of Strong from Guilford.

Beaty, you were a warrior, but you were fat and slow.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
scottie dogs looked good tonight with a hard fought win against Emory

Bowers looked good and so did the rest of the crew,  i like their depth and i am waiting for a couple of their guys to get of their shell with a little experience, i will be there tomorrow

let's go coach Haynes, turn it up i will be there for your game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 25, 2007, 02:39:50 PM
Scots looked good but if they are going to have a successful season they better step it up.  We have a bunch of incomplete players.  Orr is weak, Blakely doesn't think, Williamson isn't a good defender, and Q can't shoot the outside shot.  Hopefully during this season some of these problems will rectify themselves.  Big game against Oglethorpe today.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 25, 2007, 06:44:10 PM
I thought Maryville looked good last night and today. Beating Oglethorpe by that much surprised me. Everyone played and you are right Beaty, we do have a lot of incomplete players but the season is young and they'll only get better. Honest to God, Coach Lambert is one amazing coach--he brings out the best in his players. it is fun to watch.

Spoke to Bo Mason  today at the game. What an incredible young man Bo is turning into. He made a good decision for himself, pretty gutsy to walk out on the sport you love your senior year. He is doing extremely well at Liberty. (Just in case anyone wonders how he is  :) )
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2007, 08:20:47 PM
scots looked good, Bowers is still head and shoulders above his teammates, but they will step up as the season goes along.  JJ looks great at times and not so great at times.  Williamson is explosive and can be really good when he learns to think through the game and it is not timmy blakely's job to think, it is his job to rebound.

Looks like Pursell gave Baldwin the business.  I told you all he could ball.  Old Lion, give me the scoop on Piedmont this weekend and let me know what you thought about Pursell.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 25, 2007, 09:57:11 PM
Yeah Pursell can ball, but he doesn't have 9 others around him like bowers does.  I might trade the two straight up but I think maryville can take the Tigers when we play 'em.  Great win against a good Oglethrope team.  I did win the major bet of the evening shutting out #20 with my mind to less than 10 points and winning some major M&M action.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2007, 10:27:43 PM
these 9 others you speak of don't have the power of a Bobby Golden or a Sid Ellis or a Raul Placeres or a Josh Tummel, but i like what this group could be capable of collectively

I think the "No Name" team could be good for them if they prove to get it done night in and night out like they have so far with one good win and two expected wins

I will win the next bet just get your money ready
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 26, 2007, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 25, 2007, 08:20:47 PM
Looks like Pursell gave Baldwin the business.  I told you all he could ball.  Old Lion, give me the scoop on Piedmont this weekend and let me know what you thought about Pursell.

That's not how I would characterize their match-up, Matt ... but Pursell is a fine player and he had a very good w/e in Birmingham. I would love to have him in addition to Baldwin,  but I certainly wouldn't take him over Baldwin.

Sort of a strange w/e for my Lions ...

I knew after those first two games, there was no where to go but down ... but, man, I wasn't expecting a performance like Friday's. "Murphy's Law" was the theme for the evening ... if it could go wrong, it did ... http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/07-08stats/pcm03.htm
* First of all, Coach Glenn was ill, did not make the trip until Sunday.
* Have to give credit to Sewanee ... they played very well.
* We didn't ... shot poorly, turned it over, got out rebounded ... just wasn't our night.
* Officiating was pretty poor, inconsistent (both ways) all w/e ... but very questionable 4th and 5th fouls on Baldwin
    proved to be the final nails in our coffin. He was only allowed to play 6 or 7 minutes in the 2nd half. (In fairness, we
    also benefited from a pretty bad no call as we survived a late run by Birmingham Southern Sunday.)
* Let's just say I'm looking forward to the rematch with Sewanee on Dec 5th.

Things were more back to normal Sunday. We shot the ball fairly well, got out rebounded, played hard and well together ... and hung on to win a close one. We did a pretty good job of handling their full court pressure and the waves of bodies they threw at us. We nursed a 5 to 10 point lead the entire game until they hit 3 straight 3's in the final minute or so to tie it. After we turned it over, we then benefited from the strange no call to get the ball back, before we got it inside to Baldwin to score on a tip in with .3 seconds to play ... whew ...

"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes... well, he eats you"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 26, 2007, 10:28:54 AM
Coach Haynes,

I noticed Baize didn't play in either of your last two games ... He's not injured again, is he? I hope not ... I love that guy's game. He's a "pure PG" type you need on the floor to make everyone else better.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 26, 2007, 04:23:45 PM
I spoke to Ben last night and his take was that he would like to play for piedmont b/c they look inside every possession.  Kind of a good set up for a low post player.

I will be interested in the rematch as well old lion.  I think playing in Demorest will give the lions the advantage, but lets jump it up again and if Pursell gets the better of this match up, would you make the trade then?

Timmy Blakely is the freakin business.  I can't wait for the conference schedule to get here so you all can see him dominate the paint.  He is a rebounder.

Congrats Piedmont on the tip in win, that is a good showing for the GSAC, now i need you all to beat sewanee in the rematch.  It is all about GSAC credibility and HC is not doing their share.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 26, 2007, 09:39:16 PM
The Panthers didn't spread too much GSAC cred this weekend.  We looked like a poorly pieced together suit....tight in the crotch and low in the shoulders.  Baize injured his knee in the final minute at Sewanee.  It is cartilidge.  He made it through two days of rehab, a full practice and a shoot around without a glitch.  First seconds of the game he collapsed.  He will be back but we aren't trying to rush it.  One of our freshmen back up pg's sprained his foot on Sunday and will be out for a short time.  A back up 2G is out with our second stress fracture of the year and my bench looks awfully short.  We had a good practice today, which is just what we needed since we are playing our 6th game in 11 days tomorrow night.  We will have a couple of days to get ready for Methodist on Sunday.  That is a game where you can spread some GSAC cred.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 26, 2007, 10:33:19 PM
"Blakely is not a thinker he is a rebounder"

           -Matt Grubb-

Well said sir!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 26, 2007, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 26, 2007, 09:39:16 PM
Baize injured his knee in the final minute at Sewanee.  It is cartilidge.  He made it through two days of rehab, a full practice and a shoot around without a glitch.  First seconds of the game he collapsed.  He will be back but we aren't trying to rush it. 

Here's wishing Landon a speedy recovery ... you're going to need that guy to get things moving in the right direction.

Good luck tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 26, 2007, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 26, 2007, 04:23:45 PM
I spoke to Ben last night and his take was that he would like to play for piedmont b/c they look inside every possession.  Kind of a good set up for a low post player.

Yeah ... seems to be working out pretty well for Baldwin.  ;) But he can score from anywhere ... he'd do well at the 3 if we had more big guy options ...

QuoteI will be interested in the rematch as well old lion.  I think playing in Demorest will give the lions the advantage, but lets jump it up again and if Pursell gets the better of this match up, would you make the trade then?

Surely you jest  ... you're a Murvul guy, you understand loyalty ... I wouldn't trade any of our guys. But, I sure would like to be able to add one more talented big guy to our mix. 

If we had one more talented big guy, we'd be pillaging the streets of Murvul ... salting your fields, stealing your women, and having our way with your cattle ... wait a minute ... I may have gotten that last part backwards ...   :)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 27, 2007, 10:25:41 AM
there is the difference in murvul and piedmont, any time you want to trade Baldwin, we will offer Orr, straight up
although we don't have any room under the salary cap and would have to pay the luxury tax b/c of the overpaid perimeter players we have

The scots go to Rust this weekend, a heck of a road trip and a tough place to play

Spencer,
Timmy is my player, you have to get your own

Where has the killer been?  I would like to point out he now has the lowest Karma on the board
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 27, 2007, 03:55:44 PM
In a bit of self promotion (and since they're tallying the hit count on stories now and its hard to compete with popularity of UT coverage without some help ...

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20071126/SPORTS/71126006 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20071126/SPORTS/71126006)  - MC men win over Oglethorpe

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20071125/SPORTS/71125008 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20071125/SPORTS/71125008)  - MC men win over Emory

I really like the defense that Maryville has this year. For three games in to the season it is a more complete man to man than I've seen in a season or two and is fun to watch. When the half court man to man comes away with more steals than the full court press thats a good indicator of both smart passing on offense and hard work on defense. Not perfect but I like the mobility and switching. They both seem to be fairly advanced for this early in the season.

Bowers can take over a game but like any player can be off. I think he was pushing it early in the second half trying to hit a few 3s as a knockout punch and got off his game for that 5 min stretch. Q looks to me to be coming around, he was much better Sunday at looking for his shot. JJ seems to be growing back into game form. The posts? Well I like Lambert's attitide 20 points and 20 rebounds a game from the position. Orr did better than half that by himself Sunday but it was while beating the press over the top. I did like the way he defended Shaheed most of the time. The senior got the best of the redshirt sophomore a few times toward the end of the first half but it was not the weak spot I thought it would be. (But that may have been the Petrels not getting to the big guy in the right spot enough)

I thought LaGrange really looked out of kilter  after Baize went down during the opening tip Sat afternoon. But wow on Joe Cromwell's 32 points in 31 minutes 15 of 18 from the floor against Emory Sunday. Still trying to figure how much o a factor Baize was because Sewanee beating Piedmont but losing to LaGrange is a question mark in my mind if anyone wants to offer some reasoning, I'll most certainly listen. ::)

Any chance Piedmont may consider renaming the Classic at the end of the year to the USAC GSAC challenge with MU and Ferrum taking on PC and MC?

And since no one is criticizing me for leaving pout a this or that on the south region report for Hoopsville, Im guessing ya'll aren't listening , yet.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2007, 05:56:20 PM
bard, I have been pushing the hyperlinks to stories about McMurry, HSU and the ASC that have appeared in the Abilene Reporter-News for about 6 years now.

Thanks for the links, and I will check out anything that you post!

+1, friend!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2007, 06:01:31 PM
Pretty soon, serious, over-the-top, Maryville fans will use their laptops to sign on to LiveStats for the running game summaries.

Now all you need to do is to put in some premium seating in the Cooper Center with electrical outlets to keep that batteries charging!  :)  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 28, 2007, 09:21:01 AM
I grew near Chattanooga and always under-appreciate its quality.  Driving down Lookout Mtn last night and seeing the city lit up is one of the great sites to see. 

Out of kilter is a very good way to describe our play this past weekend.  I was honestly embarrased.  I am also starting to be more in favor of fewer regular season games.  In order to get my 25 in I have to start in a ridiculous fashion.  Yesterday was our 6th game in 11 days with a Sunday off, and two days for Thanksgiving that puts us down to 8 and Monday was our 3rd practice since the season started and I have always said that I enjoy practice more than the games.  We need to get better but haven't had the time to correct things all the way that didn't get fixed before the season started.  We will have 3 days going in to Methodist this Sunday I hope it helps.  We played well in the second half last night but missed two free throws with a minute to go that would have cut it to 1.  They scored and then made 4 straight free throws.  Freshman PG with his first start played 37 minutes and had 0 turnovers.  At times it wasn't pretty but I guess you got to be happy about that. 

When we beat Sewanee, we just played to our full capability.  It wasn't a perfect game but if we played that way in every game we would be about .500 instead of 1 for. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 28, 2007, 10:04:17 AM
http://www.piedmontlions.com/index.asp?path=mbball

Why don't we all just agree to declare Baldwin POY now and make him ineligible for further player of the week awards ... so some other guys can have a chance.  :o

If you take a talented, versatile big guy/scorer ... put him in a good, up tempo team concept, surrounded by unselfish passers ... well, he's going to have a good shot at a few more outstanding weeks.

Congrats guys ... keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 28, 2007, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 28, 2007, 09:21:01 AM
Out of kilter is a very good way to describe our play this past weekend.  I was honestly embarrased. 

Hang in there, Coach. I'm certain you'll "right the ship" and get your team moving in the right direction. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that's going to be before we have an opportunity to play you.

QuoteI am also starting to be more in favor of fewer regular season games.  In order to get my 25 in I have to start in a ridiculous fashion.  Yesterday was our 6th game in 11 days with a Sunday off, and two days for Thanksgiving that puts us down to 8 and Monday was our 3rd practice since the season started and I have always said that I enjoy practice more than the games.  We need to get better but haven't had the time to correct things all the way that didn't get fixed before the season started.

Whoa!!! That "solution" would be worse than the original problem. The season is too short as it is!

How about instead ... maybe allowing practice to start a few weeks earlier ... or maybe easing some of the restrictions on off-season workouts with your team.

I realize the D3 focus is student first, then athlete. But I've long maintained that the structure/focus of athletics (as opposed to more free time) helps, not hinders, an individual's focus and time management skills ... and therefore, does not infringe on his ability to be a successful student.

I realize it's "only D3" ... but the majority of these guys are committed athletes (that's not mutually exclusive with being a committed student). I'm betting the majority of them would like to be able to spend more structured time in the gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 28, 2007, 03:22:06 PM
again the debate will arise, is the POY the best player on the best team or the guy with the best numbers, so when the scots win it all again, which alex bowers promised me before the season that they will, then it will be alex

Go scots

what about this, last year there were co mvp's and Bobby was voted an all american, should anyone share the award when the rest of the country votes them an all american?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 28, 2007, 03:41:25 PM
OMG are we already on the POTY criteria debate ;)

let's see a conference game first! And as goofy as the system gets to hand out awards for four men's teams lets have an MVP, player of the year, best offensive player and best defender and maybe everybody will get a guy in one or the other and we can really watch it fly on here ::)

Coach was it you or someone else at the GSAC tourney last year that told me Rust had taken down the mounted goals and put up floor goals that the students like to try and rock courtside for the visitors? If that's the ase MC could have an interesting trip this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 29, 2007, 09:31:58 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 28, 2007, 03:22:06 PM
again the debate will arise, is the POY (1) the best player on the best team or (2) the guy with the best numbers, so when the scots win it all again, which alex bowers promised me before the season that they will, then it will be alex

POY ... and all GSAC selections ...
Not my favorite subjects ... too subjective ... and IMHO, the subjectivity of the GSAC selectors has pretty much stunk the last couple of years ... it has appeared to me that the selectors have focused on the top scorers ... and pretty much ignored the other stuff that I feel is also important . (Seems the "other stuff" hasn't been adequately considered since Placeres graduated.) The selection of "volume shooter" (to use your term, Matt) Bo Mason over other guys most coaches would prefer to have on their team, (there is now circumstantial evidence that Lambert finally agrees) still sticks in my craw. But enough of that ...

Back to your question ...

It s/b neither of those. It's a subjective, not an objective, selection. The POY s/b, in the opinion of the selectors, the best player ... after all of the tangible and intangible factors are considered. Appears to me, our selectors don't do such a good job considering intangibles in the GSAC ... so ... who knows ...  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 29, 2007, 09:49:24 AM
Quote from: batteredbard on November 28, 2007, 03:41:25 PM
OMG are we already on the POTY criteria debate ;)

let's see a conference game  first! And as goofy as the system gets to hand out awards for four men's teams ...

Re conference games ...

OK ... early on in this "debate" let's put the term "conference game" in perspective ... Basically, in the GSAC world, it's a meaningless term ...

There are only 4 men's teams, so there are only 6 of them ... the GSAC gets no AQ to the NCAA tourney ... so the games that are more meaningful (if anyone feels that they must focus on some subset of the overall schedule) than the rest of the schedule are the South Region games. In other words, your performance in your 17 or so South Region games (which include the 6 GSAC games) are what gets you a shot at the NCAA tourney. Also, 17 games, as opposed to 6, is a much more reasonable sample size ... and therefore, will yield much more statistically valid results for evaluating performance.

So please, let's not even start over emphasizing those 6 games towards the end off the season ... talking about a player's numbers "in conference", and other such silliness ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 29, 2007, 09:56:16 AM
I do want to emphasize the GSAC tourney as an important step in preparing teams for the NCAA tourney.
Tournament bball is different than regular season bball.  Old Lion, ask some of the guys that have been around the pc program for a couple of years about the McCord Miracle, PC played the game of their lives and came up short.  The conference tournament can either prepare a team for their tournament run or keep a good team from getting in, while it have never happened in the GSAC, it could at some point, maybe this year.

For once Old lion, i do firmly agree with your theory on conference games vs. regular season in region games.  Wow, i feel cold, but i still agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 29, 2007, 03:37:24 PM
So you just want to assume everybody has the same strength of schedule in the south region and look at those numbers? At least the conference games are a baseline with the same teams. I suppose we could go through and pull out all the comon opponents and try to figure that out to compare howa  guy is doing in comparison to another but if you're talking conference awards then shouldn't it be based on conference games?

Anyway I borrowed the link from the USAC board but look what Greensboro has to offer for fans who cant make a game (plus there's last night upset of Guilford on there right now)
http://www.ustream.tv/gcpride (http://www.ustream.tv/gcpride)
Wonder if the Scots have this in the works. Know DeBaby's MHS football commentary was run over a videocast during the regular season. It would be nice to have this kind of stuff available from Cooper.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 29, 2007, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on November 29, 2007, 03:37:24 PM
So you just want to assume everybody has the same strength of schedule in the south region and look at those numbers?   I suppose we could go through and pull out all the common opponents and try to figure that out to compare howa  guy is doing in comparison to another but if you're talking conference awards then shouldn't it be based on conference games?

Not necessarily, I just said looking at the #s from all those region games would be much more meaningful than looking at just 6 GSAC games.

QuoteAt least the conference games are a baseline with the same teams.

Bard, stop and think a minute ... you are trying to apply logic that may make sense in a real conference, say with 10 or 12 teams, to the GSAC ... we only have 4 teams and 6 games!

If you want to talk about differences in strength of schedule look at those 6 games. Traditionally Murvul has been head and shoulders above the rest of the GSAC, agreed? Everybody but Murvul plays Murvul in 33% of their "conference games". To paraphrase you ... "So you just want to assume everybody has the same strength of schedule in the conference and look at those numbers?" 

Over 17 or so games, the strength of schedule issue at least has a chance to even out. Over 6 games, where the bottom 3 teams are playing 2 of their 6 games against a perennially tougher opponent ... and the perennially best team is playing all 6 games against weaker opponents ... well, do you think that evens out? Plus, maybe even more importantly, 6 games are just too few games to create a statistically valid sample. One, or two, unusual games can skew the #s too easily.

Quotebut if you're talking conference awards then shouldn't it be based on conference games?

Obviously not. If you still don't understand why not, you're just not trying ...

I refer you to my earlier post ...
QuoteSo please, let's not even start over emphasizing those 6 games towards the end off the season ... talking about a player's numbers "in conference", and other such silliness ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2007, 01:58:03 PM
Speaking of strength of schedule, lets give love to Coach Haynes
Hampden Sydney?????  Coach Haynes, how did you get the BOYS from HSC to come to Lagrange?????  BTW, their school has all dudes and no the people at Longwood do not like them.

also on the panthers schedule, Centre, Rhodes, Methodist, and BSC

Looks like a good south region schedule, if i won all of those games listed and my conference i would expect a bid, especially if i beat NAIA Berry.  Looks like Coach Haynes knows how to schedule, he is building it a piece at a time.  Good work coach.

Old Lion, please build your case for PCs strength of schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 30, 2007, 04:46:22 PM
I have the strength of schedule but no strength of team.....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 30, 2007, 06:02:58 PM
Lets not get into my trying or not just because I'm debating the other side of the discussion.

If strength of schedule naturally balanced out, it wouldn't be rated and wouldn't be a discussion topic come selection time. So lets not assume the four schools have equal sos without some numbers - haphazard as the rating systems may be.

I'll concede that with only six GSAC games on the sked that one big game by a palyer could skew it up pretty good statistically speaking so I think you could safely include games with Rust, Sewanee and Oglethorpe because they play all four schools - with Methodist (no meeting with HC) and Emory (no PC) in the discussion as well.

If one school is dominant (and I don't know that one will be again this year) then isn't it dominant and its players worthy of recognition for their numbers? Actually, that was just a gag line. Even I can't carry the argument to that level with a straight face. ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: sludge on December 01, 2007, 09:49:05 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 30, 2007, 04:46:22 PM
I have the strength of schedule but no strength of team.....

I don't get it.  Are you a real coach, who is insulting his own team?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 01, 2007, 12:11:07 PM
Anybody who has seen LaGrange play knows that they do not play as if they think their coach insults them.  They play hard all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 03:44:50 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 30, 2007, 04:46:22 PM
I have the strength of schedule but no strength of team.....
I have seen LaGrange respond to their coach.  Coach Haynes is a good coach, and motivates his team very well.

I think that he is honest about this year's team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 01, 2007, 06:06:46 PM
coach haynes is the man

MC over Rust 98-45 obviously a beat down

Great win for PC over catholic, catholic has a national title this decade, so they are obviously a solid program.

Again, Coach Haynes, how did you get HSC to come to Lagrange this year?????

MC vs. Carson Newman this year and CN is a loaded D2 school, tons of talent.  one of their studs is from Maryville High School, he should have been a scot.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 02, 2007, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: batteredbard on November 30, 2007, 06:02:58 PM
Lets not get into my trying or not just because I'm debating the other side of the discussion.

If strength of schedule naturally balanced out, it wouldn't be rated and wouldn't be a discussion topic come selection time. So lets not assume the four schools have equal sos without some numbers - haphazard as the rating systems may be.

I'll concede that with only six GSAC games on the sked that one big game by a palyer could skew it up pretty good statistically speaking so I think you could safely include games with Rust, Sewanee and Oglethorpe because they play all four schools - with Methodist (no meeting with HC) and Emory (no PC) in the discussion as well.

If one school is dominant (and I don't know that one will be again this year) then isn't it dominant and its players worthy of recognition for their numbers? Actually, that was just a gag line. Even I can't carry the argument to that level with a straight face. ::)

Bard,

I appreciate your self-deprecating sense of humor and I apologize ... didn't mean to be insulting with the "not trying" comment ... it's just that I feel strongly that it's silly to focus on only six games ... and to pretend that it's reasonable to try to determine anyone's real value over such a short time period.

It would be sort of like getting all excited about someone's .500 World Series batting average and trying to pretend that determined how good they were more than their .250 batting average over the entire regular season.

I really can't get too excited one way or other about the strength of schedule issue ... my primary point is that focusing on only 6 games, to the exclusion of the vast majority of the season is ridiculous.

You certainly make a valid point that a dominant team is very likely to have good players. You say that was a gag line, so I'm sure you realize that it doesn't necessarily follow that they have the best players. There are lots of other variables in the dominant team formula besides having the best players. For instance ...  a good program, good system, good coaching, a winning tradition, a large number (depth) of good players ... etc. etc. 

Seems clear to me that some of the best players are very likely to be spread across some other, not so dominant teams ... with that lack of team dominance being no fault of said players ... but then, that's just my opinion ...  I could be wrong.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 02, 2007, 12:07:16 PM
Friday:
Good game for my Lions vs. Catholic ... great comeback.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2007/11/30/11_30_07_mbball.asp?path=mbball

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2007-08/stats/cua-pc.htm

Saturday:
Speaking of strength of schedule, NC Wesleyan is one of the best teams I've seen during my time at Piedmont. They are big, quick and talented ... shot the ball pretty well too. No excuses ... Kudos to NCW. They killed us on the glass and from behind the 3 point line ... deadly combination. I thought we actually played pretty well, we just got "out-talented" in this one.

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/Mens_Basketball/2007-08/news/6pc.htm

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2007-08/stats/ncwm1201.htm

http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2007/12/1/12_01_07_mbball.asp?path=mbball

Bright spots for the w/e ...
*Rocky Mt is a great place to visit ... friendliest people you'll ever meet.
*Chuck McCoy stepped up big ... played really well in stretches.
* Baldwin and Green made the all tourney team.
* Special shout out to SID Rich. She puts on a well run event ... she could conduct a seminar on running an official scorer's table. And check out their media guide online ... first class organization.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 02, 2007, 04:00:50 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 01, 2007, 06:06:46 PM
Again, Coach Haynes, how did you get HSC to come to Lagrange this year?????


I'm telling you, everybody goes to LaGrange or back to LaGrange for that Country's BBQ!  ;) :D



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2007, 05:57:17 PM
Bard,
the alumni game is sat. Dec 15th around 12:30, it is going to take place before the scots dust off methodist.  Wanted to make sure you knew you were invited to enjoy in the festivities.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 03, 2007, 09:25:47 AM
First, I wasn't insulting my team.  Anyone can see that we are not as talented and as experienced as last season.  We have a difficult schedule and honestly our schedule is tougher than we are right now.  We are getting so much better.  It is so nice to actually have practice.  Hampden Syndey needed a game late and so did we.  They have two Atlanta area kids so it is a good situation for their families to see them. And the Country's BBQ.

The Methodist game was a frustrating one in that we should have pulled off the upset but continued to beat ourselves even though we were close throughout.  I am never short of amazed at some of the players that Methodist gets.  Some of you may remeber Sam Porter(I am sure the USA guys that read this board do), well they have another guy that is very similar.  A real man that just smacked us in the mouth all night long.  Coach Smith gets those guys ready to go and they get it done.  I know what NCW had coming back from last years team that we played.  That league will be very interesting. 

A practice and another game. Tomorrow an actual home game. Atlanta Christian 7:30. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 03, 2007, 03:54:38 PM
Seems to be a glitch in the way some of LaGrange's #s came over to the GSAC stat site.

http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/m111607a.htm

http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/confhilo.htm

I'm pretty sure Render didn't have 21 assists vs E&H ... box score on LC site has him for 1.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 04, 2007, 07:57:12 AM
The Killer is back! Coaching has consumed my mind and life!! What a JOB!!!! Hey Scots off to a great start. It does not matter who he loses or who he has Mr. Randy Lambert gets it done!! Big game against Carson Newman. The killa will try and be in attendance.

As the winning player-coach-captain for the Garnet Alumni Team last year I want to state and establish that we will once again win! I have entered a zone we Scots know as the Russian Relaxation routine. I have not been in better shape!

Placeres Housewright Calloway, Blair, Ellis, McCord,Buttram, Reed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get your mind right WATTS!! Momma said KNock you out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 04, 2007, 09:06:06 AM
My mind is focused on the incredibly talented D2 team that is making the trip to Murvul this evening.  It is scary how talented this CN team is, but how poorly they are coached.  Orr and Blakely will have their hands full with Bobby Guyton, andy Tipton, and Clapp or whatever the big red heads name is.  I can't wait, the place will be packed, better get there early.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 04, 2007, 11:11:04 AM
Bowers, GSAC player of the week, good job lil Bow Wow

Piedmont has their rematch with Sewanee tomorrow, i think Piedmont should win in a landslide, but i would like to hear a prediction from the Esteemed Old Lion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on December 04, 2007, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on December 03, 2007, 09:25:47 AMI am never short of amazed at some of the players that Methodist gets.  Some of you may remeber Sam Porter(I am sure the USA guys that read this board do), well they have another guy that is very similar.  A real man that just smacked us in the mouth all night long. 
there are similarities between sam porter and antwin shuford, but i think there are a lot of differences in their games - this is not a knock on shu, but sam could absolutely take over games on both ends of the floor and he was a tremendous leader...i don't think shuford is there yet - shuford has a similar ability to find every loose ball and really control the glass and he's got quick, sure hands which get him a lot of steals, much like porter did but shuford is a better pure athlete than porter was - shuford is strong, but he's not nearly as strong as porter...you couldn't move sam - shuford is much quicker than porter was, though, and he's got an electric first step - shuford is a fantastic talent, and he has the potential to be very similar to sam porter, but i don't think he's there yet...time will tell

Quote from: coachwgh on December 03, 2007, 09:25:47 AMI know what NCW had coming back from last years team that we played.  That league will be very interesting. 
the addition of arrington, who missed last season but was an absolute beast as a frosh, makes ncwc even tougher...i think they're the most talented team in the usasac...let's see if that translates to being usasac champs - they've been the most talented team in the conference many times - champs...not as many :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 04, 2007, 01:05:46 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 04, 2007, 11:11:04 AM
Bowers, GSAC player of the week, good job lil Bow Wow

Congrats to Bowers ... well deserved.

Matt, I remember last year when you used the term "volume shooter" to describe my least favorite type of player ... the type of player who scores a lot simply by putting it up early and often ... I have a lot of respect for Bowers because he is the antithesis of that type of player. Not only is he currently leading the GSAC in PPS (points per FG attempt) at 1.79, but he does a lot of the "other stuff" that often goes unnoticed by the casual fan.

Current GSAC PPS leaders:
Rank   T   ##   Player   GP    MPG    FG   -   FGA   Pct   3FG   -   FGA   Pct   FT   -   FTA   Pct   RPG   A   TO   Blk   Stl   PPG   PPS
1   MC   24   Bowers........   3    27.0    23   -   38   60.5%   7   -   15   46.7%   15   -   16   93.8%    5.7    6    12    0   3   22.7   1.79
2   PC   20   Baldwin.......   6    35.3     76    -   115   66.1%   8   -   17   47.1%   43   -   57   75.4%    8.3    8    24    6   10   33.8   1.77
3   PC   10   Green.........   6    31.5     20    -   34   58.8%   5   -   12   41.7%   15   -   23   65.2%    2.7    42    22    0   9   10.0   1.76
4   MC   11   Blakely........   3    18.7    4   -   7   57.1%   0   -   1   0.0%   4   -   8   50.0%    3.7    3   3   1   0   4.0   1.71
5   LC   10   Baize.......   4   19.3   9   -   18   50.0%   2   -   3   66.7%   10   -   12   83.3%   1.3   9   9   0   4   7.5   1.67
6   PC   32   McCoy........   6    11.3     9    -   15   60.0%   1   -   2   50.0%   6   -   7   85.7%    2.5    5    3    1   2   4.2   1.67
7   MC   22   Johnson...   3    18.0    7   -   14   50.0%   1   -   5   20.0%   8   -   8   100.0%    4.3    3   5   2   2   7.7   1.64
8   HC   24   Boyd.........   6   13.7   17   -   23   73.9%   0   -   0   0.0%   2   -   4   50.0%   2.8   2   7   3   2   6.0   1.57
9   PC   11   Coppage.....   6    26.7     26    -   61   42.6%   10   -   31   32.3%   29   -   33   87.9%    3.3    12    21    0   10   15.2   1.49
10   LC   55   Render....   6   32.7   54   -   94   57.4%   1   -   3   33.3%   26   -   43   60.5%   7.2   5   13   2   6   22.5   1.44

Sorry about the presentation, but I lack the skill to get the columns aligned any better than that. If anyone has any helpful hints, send me a message and I'll try to do better next time.

The PPS stat is a standard feature on ESPN stats. To put it into perspective, probably in the range of 1.1 ro 1.3 points scored per FG attempt is about avarage. You start getting much higher than that and you are very efficient indeed.

Matt, to test your volume shooter comment, I looked up Bo's career #s on the NCAA site ...
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careersearch
His PPS was 1.29 (993/772) ... better than I would have expected. His saving graces were that he shot 3's very well his freshman year and he was a very good FT shooter.

QuotePiedmont has their rematch with Sewanee tomorrow, i think Piedmont should win in a landslide, but i would like to hear a prediction from the Esteemed Old Lion

I don't know, Matt. The fact that we are so heavily dependent on outside shooting and staying out of foul trouble makes predicting outcomes of our games very tricky business.

However, I am expecting a win (not in a landslide) ... but then again, I was expecting a win last time too.  Obviously, Pursell blossomed under your tutelage this past summer.    :)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 04, 2007, 02:28:28 PM
Old Lion
Your statability is gangster.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 04, 2007, 11:19:35 PM
Murvul 87 - (previously undefeated D2) Carson-Newman 80

Murvul had 51 at the half and played one of the best halves of bball I have ever seen them play.  This could be a very good team.  Everybody who played scored, with 4 in double figures and one with 9.  Between them, Orr and Hernandez, sharing time at the post, scored 20 and had 10 rebounds and this is a team with mostly a wing game.  If they play with the energy and selflessness they showed tonight, they will do well for themselves!

CN had been averaging 94 points and had 27 (or 29) at the half.  They played more like their talent would indicate in the second half and got within 3, but the Scots sucked it up and held on.  If they had hit foul shots, it would not have been the nail-biter it turned out to be.

This could be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 04, 2007, 11:30:59 PM
What an atmosphere in Boydson Baird tonight! I love it like that and wish it was always so exciting. The crowd definitely has an effect on the players. Congrats MC on a very sweet victory!

First half for MC was awesome. Second half, they made me nervous. I guess they were just adding an exciting twist to the game. C-N looked bad during the first half. I think it is the coaching.  :-X  

Of course, Randy Lambert gets better and better every year also. What a fabulous coach that man is. I really respect him out on that court. Seems like he usually turns boys into men out there. On and off the court.
Good coaches are few and far between IMO. Killer, I really hope you took notes and have that influence on your guys. Sounds like you are doing good things at G-P.

So, who is on Grubbs team?  Killer's team sounds really good to me. I can't wait to see you all play.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 05, 2007, 09:23:26 AM
Several Points,
Grubbs team is strong, rest assured, it is full of fighting scots. (Tummel, Golden, Ellis, Deal, McCord Miracle)

CN is a very talented team and they certainly were not ready to play.  They tend to overlook the scots, but the scots have won two out of the past three.

The scots played very well, as for individual performances there were many.  Basically, everyone that needed to play well did.

Bowers-standard performance
Laverdiere-great job handling the ball and the offense
JJ-always in the right place at the right time, he is like having an old man out there with all his experience
Orr-wow, i didn't know 135 pounds could play like that
Posts-what a test, you won't see a player like guyton on the D3 level and they did a great job containing him
Watson-he can do big things now and just wait for the future

At one point when the PG had the ball on the wing, I counted 3 back cuts from the top of the key and then the 4th man in the rotation popped and got the ball then reversed it to the other wing.  Now, i am not going to go on about Randy being a great coach, but that is great movement for a game in early december.

It was an incredible atmosphere last night and the scots did play better every time the crowd got into the game.  I think this bunch of no names likes to do things as a group, now they need to get back in the gym and not have a let down.  Last night is over back to work.

Last comment, Blakeley is the MAN!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2007, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 05, 2007, 09:23:26 AM
CN is a very talented team and they certainly were not ready to play.  They tend to overlook the scots, but the scots have won two out of the past three.

Congrats on a good win over D2 CN.

Unfortunately for the rest of us, it looks like the Murvul juggernaut is rolling along as usual ...  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 05, 2007, 10:54:25 AM
Link to Marcus' article about the MC-CN game.  Nice compliment from Andy Tipton.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2262
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 05, 2007, 11:16:07 AM
To support Marcus' excellent coverage of D3 sports, it will be better to use this link directly to the DailyTimes website so his bosses know people are reading his work:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20071205/SPORTS/71205004
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2007, 01:42:57 PM
Updated PPS rankings:
(Top 10 of guys who are averaging at least 10 mpg)

Rank   T   ##   Player   GP    MPG    FG   -   FGA   Pct   3FG   -   FGA   Pct   FT   -   FTA   Pct   RPG   A   TO   Blk   Stl   PPG   PPS
1   MC   11   Blakely........   5    16.8    5   -   8   62.5%   0   -   1   0.0%   5   -   10   50.0%    3.2    5   5   2   0   3.0   1.88
2   PC   20   Baldwin.......   6    35.3     76    -   115   66.1%   8   -   17   47.1%   43   -   57   75.4%    8.3    8    24    6   10   33.8   1.77
3   PC   10   Green.........   6    31.5     20    -   34   58.8%   5   -   12   41.7%   15   -   23   65.2%    2.7    42    22    0   9   10.0   1.76
4   MC   24   Bowers........   5    24.8    35   -   61   57.4%   14   -   24   58.3%   20   -   22   90.9%    5.2    17    19    1   6   20.8   1.70
5   PC   32   McCoy........   6    11.3     9    -   15   60.0%   1   -   2   50.0%   6   -   7   85.7%    2.5    5    3    1   2   4.2   1.67
6   LC   10   Baize.......   5   18.0   9   -   18   50.0%   2   -   3   66.7%   10   -   12   83.3%   1.2   13   12   0   5   6.0   1.67
7   HC   10   Boyd.........   6   13.7   17   -   23   73.9%   0   -   0   0.0%   2   -   4   50.0%   2.8   2   7   3   2   6.0   1.57
8   LC   55   Render   8   33.1   74   -   124   59.7%   1   -   4   25.0%   42   -   68   61.8%   7.6   7   20   3   9   23.9   1.54
9   PC   11   Coppage.....   6    26.7     26    -   61   42.6%   10   -   31   32.3%   29   -   33   87.9%    3.3    12    21    0   10   15.2   1.49
10   MC   22   Johnson...   5    19.4    12   -   27   44.4%   5   -   12   41.7%   11   -   13   84.6%    4.2    4   9   5   10   8.0   1.48
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 05, 2007, 01:46:48 PM
I don't care what anyone says, Timmy Blakely is not a thinker, he is a rebounder.  Also, he is a PPS guy.
He also may be the best 4 man at MC since the GREAT KRIS SIGMUND.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 05, 2007, 01:55:49 PM
http://thedailytimes.com/article/20071205/SPORTS/71205008
another good one by Marcus
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 05, 2007, 05:31:37 PM
That was a very good win last night by the scots.  Randy does not joke around.  He sat down williamson for the rest of the game after and bad shot and him talking back.  Anytime you beat a scholarship team it feels good.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 06, 2007, 09:33:21 AM
Old Lion,
Do tell, i saw the results of last nights game, looks like an overtime thriller, please tell all about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 06, 2007, 11:49:15 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 06, 2007, 09:33:21 AM
Old Lion,
Do tell, i saw the results of last nights game, looks like an overtime thriller, please tell all about it.


Sorry Matt, the pain is still too fresh ...

Besides, Mama always said if you can't say something nice, it's best to just say nothing at all. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 06, 2007, 03:28:33 PM
I understand, i do look forward to details as the wounds heal
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 07, 2007, 01:47:08 PM
I, too, am sorry, Old_Lion.

Scots better be awake at Emory tomorrow...they demolished Oglethorpe yesterday and probably would really like some payback.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 07, 2007, 03:45:11 PM
We didn't play our best game and won, and we demolished oglethrope as well.  We will be ready for Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 07, 2007, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on December 07, 2007, 03:45:11 PM
We didn't play our best game and won ...

Damn, must be nice ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 09, 2007, 04:11:06 PM
Lions bounce back with a win over Toccoa Falls ... good defensive effort.
http://www.piedmontlions.com/index.asp?path=mbball

A shout out to our young big man, Phillip Sloan. He got a few minutes yesterday and acquitted himself very nicely. He played hard, showed a nice touch around the basket, and what I liked best, he showed he had a feel for the game, moving the ball quickly, when necessary. One other thing he did well ... he was 6'8.   :o  Personally, I'd like to see Sloan get a few more minutes here and there. As good as Baldwin is, I definitely think he could benefit from being able to get a breather occasionally. Who knows, if Sloan continues to progress, maybe we could even play them together, occasionally.
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/07-08stats/pcm08.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 10, 2007, 07:32:58 AM
Another tough loss for the Panthers on Saturday.  We are so much better is scary how bad we started.  I am very proud of my players for what they have done so far.  We have exams this week and several days of needed practice.  I feel like we get better every day and I hope that doesn't stop.  The end of the week brings a trip to Rust & Rhodes before the Christmas break.  Now there is a chance to make my holiday a little brighter.  I saw the Emory/Oglethorpe game on Thursday when Emory poured it on Oglethorpe and I wasn't sure if it was a fair representation of what the Eagles could do against a non-pressing team. That Maryville loss stinks for the Scot faithful but I will predict that this Emory team will have the best conference record in several years.  They use their depth the right way, their post players just make the simple plays on top of defending and rebounding.  They have gotten better as well this season. I will go out on a limb and predict that Maryville will bounce back as well.  They don't tend to sit around and not improve. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 10, 2007, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on December 10, 2007, 07:32:58 AM
We are so much better is scary how bad we started.  I am very proud of my players for what they have done so far. 

Coach,

I have no doubt that you have them steadily improving.

How is Landon doing?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 11, 2007, 10:35:11 AM
I am looking forward to a couple of good games for the scots, Methodist and Transy come to the mountains to see what they have this year.  I hope the scots can rebound and get 2 good south region wins.

coach haynes, best of luck in the greater memphis area
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 11, 2007, 01:58:56 PM
Coach Haynes...  I was impressed with the Effort Lagrange put forth the other night... not really sure how we came away with the win.  It takes a lot for a team that got beat by 36 the first go around to come out and think they have a chance to win.  Congrats for keeping this team focused and making the most of the talent.  It's not often you shoot over 70% in a half from the field and still end up losing.  Good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 11, 2007, 04:53:26 PM
Old Lion,
now that hopefully the pain has subsided, please give me some details of what you thought about the Pursell/baldwin matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 11, 2007, 08:43:41 PM
Transy is a game I am very interested in.  I have seen transy play in recent years but it has seemed like we have their number.  Times are a'changin though.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 14, 2007, 01:34:15 PM
I just spoke with the Killer and he has decided that he will not compete in the MC alumni game tomorrow due to pure fear.  All of you MC alums the game starts at 1 tomorrow.
narch, your invitation is still on the table, we tip off at 1 followed by the Monarchs v. Scots matchup, we have you a jersey
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on December 14, 2007, 01:44:02 PM
grubb - thanks for the invite, but i think i'll have to pass :) - i just hope your boys take it easy on the monarchs...if the mu team that played vs. guilford shows up, you guys will have a fun saturday afternoon
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 15, 2007, 07:57:52 PM
the day belonged to the scots, it was Greg Hernandez's coming out party, Chris Orr had to 2 dunks and got dunked on by a midget

killer, who won the alumni game?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 16, 2007, 10:54:47 AM
Methodist's coach seems to anticipate some additions to the USASouth.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20071216/SPORTS/705793521
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 16, 2007, 05:40:46 PM
I would like to see the usa south pick up the gsac but huntingdon is kind of a stretch for that.

BTW, the hawks need to win some games.  Where is allen white?

Huge game for the scots monday night.  If the scots can beat transy then they are a real contender for the national tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 16, 2007, 10:16:57 PM
Any of you Scottie insiders know if the Centre game will be played?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 17, 2007, 12:29:08 PM
The Killer's alumni squad was beat down! Congrats to Brent Watts and his dream team! It takes a squad to beat the Killer! haha.. It was great fun and was awesome to see all the great fighting scots come together for a day.

Greg Hernandez was a Killer RECRUIT!!! Literally! The boy can do that on a consistent basis just needs more attention.. He can be a Bobby Golden in the posT!!

Watts your the man for putting the alumni game together! Nice to see everyone and if you get a chance come support the Highlanders!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 17, 2007, 12:55:52 PM
Hernandez is a Miami kid and i will stereotype, he likes a big stage, and is there a better time to have a coming out party than when all of the alumni are there?

Huge game tonight, i can't wait, Go Scots!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 17, 2007, 10:25:25 PM
the scots looked real good tonight, except for the dunks, Lambert will work on that in practice, he is bringing Josh Tummel back to teach these kids how to dunk.

Transy and Murvul both run tremendous systems and it was a great game to watch.  Fortunately the scottie dogs came out on top and picked up a good south region win.  The way the pioneers shoot the 3 they will be tough come late Feb. and march.  I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's game.

Orr was the recipient of several great passes from laverdiere.  Hernandez had a decent game and bowers found some stats.  And last but no least, the old man J. johnson played great.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 17, 2007, 11:33:13 PM
Alumni game was fun to watch. I especially liked the uniforms this year--it made it easier to watch. Now, if we could just get someone to tell us who makes the shots...

I was Hernandez's fan from last year. He was often the last one off the bench and I was always happy for him to get his chance. Met his sister, she may bring something to Maryville's volleyball team. Seem like truly nice people.

Fun thing about MC's men this year is that every time you enter the gym  you do not know who is going to be the *star* of the show for that game. So many are stepping up. As always fun to watch. A little less exciting when the Crazies aren't there for the chant.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 18, 2007, 10:34:12 AM
More good coverage of D3 from the DailyTimes.  Good ballgame, too.
http://thedailytimes.com/article/20071218/SPORTS/767096088

The Scots and Pioneers are good examples of what well-coached teams can do and why D3 at its best is great basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on December 18, 2007, 08:34:21 PM
I may be going to hell for sending The Pete to an MC game without me, but fot a pitcher he's not doing too bad 8)

Alumni game was fun to watch until about 5 min left and everyone started dragging. By my tally 99-80 with eight to go and it ends up 113-96 or some such. Pace slackened. Was nice to see Golden and Blair go at each other for a change.

Kudos to Shenandoah for making me sound like I know what Im talking about on Hoopsville. Called for them to beat Guilford to put me on their band wagon and darned if they didn't do it Monday night. Guess we'll never see wjat a conf might be like with the ODAC bound Hornets. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 18, 2007, 09:13:25 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on December 18, 2007, 08:34:21 PM
Kudos to Shenandoah for making me sound like I know what Im talking about on Hoopsville. Called for them to beat Guilford to put me on their band wagon and darned if they didn't do it Monday night.

Glad to have you aboard Bard.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcalumnifan on December 18, 2007, 11:31:13 PM
Maryville College year after year goes to the NCAA playoffs and yes they generally lose in the second
round.  However this year they are currently 7-1.  They just defeated Translyvania University (which I watched) by 11 points.  Who last year was an elite 8 team and they just beat Wittenberg College.  Then Maryville beat Division II Carson Newman college who Carson Newman college opened up against and lost to Division I schools Georgia Tech and the University of Virginia!!!!!!!  Maryville beat Averett College which was a top 25 school and their only loss was away to Emory University.  Yes I am a graduate of MC and I will tell you that they have 2 rotating squads of players this year.  You don't beat Transy and Carson Newman D2 and aren't something.  I believe Maryville will only get better and get past the second round of the NCAA's this year.  What do they have to do to get any respect and get ranked? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: ILive4This on December 18, 2007, 11:39:13 PM
Emory is not a very good team, Beating a D2 team that played  2 D1 teams does not mean much unless the D2 team beat the D1 team...and finally a team that went to the elite 8 last year and is not a top 8 team this year again does not do much. 7-1 is 7-1 and they will get recognition when they beat some top 25 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on December 18, 2007, 11:51:41 PM
Witt's not that good this year. Neither is Transylvania.

Those Carson-Newman games against D-1 teams were exhibitions. And they got smoked. However, Maryville did hand them their only regular season loss.

They will get their due if they keep winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 19, 2007, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: mcalumnifan on December 18, 2007, 11:31:13 PM
  They just defeated Translyvania University (which I watched) by 11 points.  Who last year was an elite 8 team and they just beat Wittenberg College. 

Transy is 5-3 and picked 3rd in the HCAC, and as pointed out Witt is not good 2-5.  Transy was eliminated in the first round of the NCAA's last season, not the elite 8.  Oh yeah and they graduated their 2 leading scorers from last season, and they only made the tournament because they won the HCAC conference tournament.

Quote from: mcalumnifan on December 18, 2007, 11:31:13 PM
Then Maryville beat Division II Carson Newman college who Carson Newman college opened up against and lost to Division I schools Georgia Tech and the University of Virginia!!!!!!! 

Ok they beat a 6-2 DII, thats a good win.  But hardly that much of a rare event to see a D3 beat a D2, 13 other teams share the same victory.  But are you seriously going to use a 40 point loss to Georgia Tech and a 59 point loss to Virginia as reasons why a win over Carson-Newman is great?

Quote from: mcalumnifan on December 18, 2007, 11:31:13 PM
Maryville beat Averett College which was a top 25 school and their only loss was away to Emory University. 

Averett was never ranked in the top 25, at best they were 27 in the pre-season poll and have since gone 3-5.

You sight Emory as their only loss, yet fail to mention they beat 6-3 Emory by 3, but then lost to the same team 2 weeks later by 11.

Quote from: mcalumnifan on December 18, 2007, 11:31:13 PM
  Yes I am a graduate of MC and I will tell you that they have 2 rotating squads of players this year.  You don't beat Transy and Carson Newman D2 and aren't something.  I believe Maryville will only get better and get past the second round of the NCAA's this year.  What do they have to do to get any respect and get ranked? 

All of that is great but plenty of D3's have two squads of rotating players.  Keep winning and you'll get respect.  When you start unranked from a small conference with a poor tournament history, you'll always have an uphill climb.

Maryville's been eliminated 3 years in a row in the NCAA by a team that went on to lose the next game by 15, 12 and 26  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 19, 2007, 02:55:05 PM
I think one reason this year's Maryville bunch is doing well is that nobody thought they would and they have a bit of an attitude.  I hope they keep it.  It is true that national respect is hard to get and the only way to get it is to beat lots of teams, including some who are good.   That is hard to do in the South because most good regional teams won't play Maryville, so that leaves winning more than one game in the NCAA tournament. 

King, who Maryville plays on Jan. 17, beat the stuffing out of Carson Newman Monday.  That will be interesting!  Let's hope the Scots still have only one loss by then.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: PrettyBoy on December 20, 2007, 12:03:55 AM
im tired of people hatin on maryville man.  there the best team in the country and if any of u has beens dont thave somethin good to say about the 7-1 scots dont say it. bowers and orr and company r gonna lead this team to the final four u heard it hear first from pretty boy
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on December 20, 2007, 08:26:49 AM
Vets,

Please do not destroy the new eager posters from Maryville.  They have obviously spoken before reading the breadth of knowledge on this board.  Be nice, maybe they will stick around and have something positive to contribute.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 20, 2007, 09:09:43 AM
Well, it is evaluation time for most teams.  Only a few teams are probably happy with where they are but most all teams are second guessing decisions that could have them in a better place.  We finally made plays that got us a win in Memphis.  Rust is a good team.  They had a guy who was 1-11 from 3 going into our game that hit 4 of 9.  Add that to the fact that we cared not to rebound and it leads to a very frustrating game.  Our Oglethorpe game opened our eyes that we could be successful if we executed a game plan.  We only executed it for 36 minutes in that game.  We had a lapse in the second half at Rhodes and it was a situation where our other games got away from us.  We came out of a timeout and gave up a lay-up so I wasn't encouraged, but then we ran our stuff and got good reads for buckets.  We had a shot go under 10 seconds to tie and then got a 5 second call on the inbound.  We missed a game winner with a couple ticks left.  We hit another three at the buzzer of OT and then had a good amount of momentum for the 2nd OT.  Rhodes missed a 3 at the buzzer to tie.  This is a team that if we can get back to full strength will be fun to compete with down the stretch.  Our Senior PG, Baize has a torn ACL.  We are attempting to rehab him and give it a shot before we give in to surgery.  He feels good and definitely doesn't move like he has a torn ACL.  Our other freshman PG is out until sometime in Jan. with his stress fracture and we have a wing out until sometime in Jan. with a stress fracture.  I think the overall theme with this group is that they are finally figuring me out and what I want.  We are playing differently than previous years so even the Seniors have had a little adjustment.  The new guys are coming along, some faster than others.  I can't wait until we get back in here after Christmas and get ready for Hampden-Sydney.  Jan. will be a little nicer to us since we have 7 of 9 games at home.  Did you see the big guy for UNC-Asheville last night versus UT?  He was giagantic! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 20, 2007, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: PrettyBoy on December 20, 2007, 12:03:55 AM
im tired of people hatin on maryville man.  there the best team in the country and if any of u has beens dont thave somethin good to say about the 7-1 scots dont say it. bowers and orr and company r gonna lead this team to the final four u heard it hear first from pretty boy

It has less to do with "hatin" on Maryville and more to do with correcting facts.  Everyone's going to state their case of why their team should be ranked, thats fine.  But when a post is made using obviously incorrect information its probably going to get called to task by some of the more regular posters.

Its certainly not meant to drive anyone away.  By all means state your cases.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 20, 2007, 01:56:36 PM
what is up with all this new blood in the board.  MattGrubb, what do you think about a possible hazing of the new posters?  Merry Christmas to all.  Chris Orr is a monster and even got a T when he savagely hung on the rim. and growled at the opposing player.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 22, 2007, 04:31:54 PM
Lets not beat up on the new guys too much, they sound young and eager and that is always exciting.  Orr did growl at the other player and then the other player almost broke him in half.  Let's not jump ahead of ourselves, The scots have had some success, they are not "there" yet.  RESPECT is earned and the program deserves respect.  the facts are they beat a good transy team at home and suspect Averett team.  They lost to a sub par emory team.  they beat the crap out of a very talented but poorly coached D2 team.

I like these new posters, they need to hang around and get rowdy with us, b/c as our scots rack up some wins, the vets will get very rowdy and in pat's ear about the top 25.

Bard, the golden dome is sick, i am glad you finally got to make a trip, it is an arena not a gym, that is why i think we need to build an arena in maryville, so the scots will be used to that type of environment.  How about a 12,000 seat Wesley Lambert Arena and Entertainment Facility, just a thought if all the maryville folks want it, i think Spencer Beaty could make it happen.

merry christmas to all you haters and lovers of maryville

Coach Haynes, stick with it, your guys are getting valuable experience, and tell the HSC guys the grubby one says hello and i hope they are still not mad at us from 2000.

Go Scots in 2008
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 23, 2007, 07:57:12 PM
The Wesley Lambert Arena sounds good to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on December 25, 2007, 01:06:24 AM
Ilive4this,

As an Oglethorpe basketball fan, I hate to somewhat disagree with you about our cross-town rival Emory, but I must. On paper Emory does not seem to be a good team, nor do they appear to be a good team in person, but they aren't too bad. Yes, they have some pretty poor losses this season, and a few weak wins but lately they've picked it up. Emory is not a big team, but they play hard and they play efficiently; shoot good shots, draw fouls, and do the little things (box out, take charges). They have a new coach this season, which seriously hurts my heckling as he does not sport the mock turtle neck like their former coach, but I'm impressed with what he has done with that team especially as of late. That's just my opinion, they may prove me to be an idiot as the seaosn moves forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 25, 2007, 09:31:15 AM
All of this may be so but the bottom line is we had already beat them.  Emory is not the best team we have played this year.  I wish all the posters a merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 27, 2007, 10:37:54 AM
http://thedailytimes.com/article/20071226/SPORTS0104/541288964 links to Marcus' latest piece about the Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2007, 09:06:41 AM
Heading out to Atlanta. Hope to see some good basketball this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 29, 2007, 11:41:29 AM
Great article on The Killer:

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19153406&BRD=1211&PAG=461&dept_id=169688&rfi=6 (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19153406&BRD=1211&PAG=461&dept_id=169688&rfi=6)

Looking good in G-P!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
AND another one today January 2nd--

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1211&dept_id=169692&newsid=19160503&PAG=461&rfi=9 (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1211&dept_id=169692&newsid=19160503&PAG=461&rfi=9)

Basicly says much the same thing but a bit more personal toward the end.
Congrats on the good press, Raul. Keep up the good work and make us proud!


Thanks for the new link!  I have modified the post for formatting for the screen.  Ralph Turner
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2007, 12:13:44 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on December 29, 2007, 11:41:29 AM
Great article on The Killer:

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19153406&BRD=1211&PAG=461&dept_id=169688&rfi=6 (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19153406&BRD=1211&PAG=461&dept_id=169688&rfi=6)

Looking good in G-P!
Very good article about Placeres.

I noticed one thing about Florida public*** schools versus Texas public schools. Coach Placeres was the JV coach, with only a high school diploma.  In Texas, no coach or teacher is permitted to act in an official capacity* in a UIL (University Interscholastic League) school.  (* Don't quote me on the exact legal wording of that.    Coaches in Texas public schools must be teachers, first!)

Good luck, Coach Placeres.

Keystone College has now become a four-year institution and is D-3 and a member of the NEAC this year.




*** Correction -- Thanks to MCScotsFan.  LaSalle is Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 29, 2007, 05:10:38 PM
I found that comment interesting and when I looked up LaSalle HS I see that it is a Catholic private HS. Usually private schools can hire anyone they want compared to public schools (at least here in TN). And for coaching, you can hire someone who was a reputable player with no degree in a private school. I've known a few coaches here who were just tremendous athletetes who obvisously had good coaches in their lives who influenced them to also be good coaches and they did not have a degree. TN public schools would not be hiring a coach who didn't have a degree I'm almost sure of that.

Reading that article just reminds me of the tremendous influence Raul Placeres will have in those kids' lives and the kids within the system he comes in contact with. Most of us would name a coach and /or teacher who made a difference in our lives (could be good or bad, sadly). Keep up the great work Placeres. MC is proud of you!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 30, 2007, 01:48:38 AM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on December 29, 2007, 11:41:29 AM
Great article on The Killer:

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19153406&BRD=1211&PAG=461&dept_id=169688&rfi=6 (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19153406&BRD=1211&PAG=461&dept_id=169688&rfi=6)

Looking good in G-P!

Here's wishing you the best, Killer.

I know you understand the game and bring passion to your coaching style.

I'm betting you establish great  rapport and bring a lot of empathy to your relationships with your players ... IMHO, a greatly underrated aspect of being a successful coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 30, 2007, 04:11:53 PM
tough 4-point loss to a team the scots had already beaten.  We missed several shots that we had no bussiness missing.  Not a good showing by the scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 31, 2007, 10:22:58 AM
it is never good to hear the scots are getting out hustled

Great Coverage Pat
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2008, 08:42:35 PM
Now here is a fine example of coaching (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1997&photo=0052) at the best.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2008, 11:38:42 PM
Great interview with Coach Haynes in the Daily Dose from January 1.  I encourage everyone to hear all of the podcasts that he recorded.

Thanks to Pat Coleman for coming to the Deep South!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 02, 2008, 08:19:14 AM
Ralph, thanks for bringing attention to one of my finer moments of indecision.  That picture looks like a coach who was down 20 and didn't have an answer. 


Pat deserves some kind of national Division 3 recognition for the advancement of D3 basketball.  Pat loves this stuff but it is still work and time consuming.  I can't say enough about having the opportunity to have him come southward.  One of these days maybe he can interview me after a final four game.  We talked for about an hour before the interview even started.  I guess Pat likes to hear me talk as much as I do. 

HSC is good.  The game just tip toed away from us.  We weren't as aggressive as we had been in the past few games.  We missed a bunch of lay-ups and post moves.  The biggest issue after watching the film was screening.  We didn't lay meat on anybody at all.  When we play soft we can't get the looks we want.  I say all of this knowing full well that HSC had a big hand in all of this.  They did a good job of being disciplined on Render's left hand, and they attacked our smaller posts on the offensive end.  It is a good game plan and it worked.  Playing this game and our upcoming game with Methodist has given me new perspective on scheduling and who I want to compete against.  After a loss to Hampden-Sydney or on the road to Methodist, I feel like I get an honest view of what we need to do better.  I enjoy playing tough competition. I don't enjoy losing to tough competition but I feel like it will ultimatly build our program to where we want to be. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 02, 2008, 11:13:25 PM
Excellent tax planning!

http://www.piedmontlions.com/

Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 03, 2008, 02:40:39 PM
congrats coach glenn
you all will see the offspring of another GSAC coach next year, it is the beginning of another level when Wes Lambert lights up the scoreboard for the scots.

I am still thoroughly disappointed in the GSAC performance this weekend against the USA-South, that is a disgrace, if the scots don't rebound in Florida the grubby one will have to handle this situation in his own special way.

Old Lion, i am disturbed by PC's 2 losses this weekend, they don't even have a winning record.  I will give you they have some talent (Baldwin and Green), but here is my observation.  Baldwin has the #'s of an All American, but not the results.  If he truly was one of the best players in the country, then he could lead his team.  I understand you will argue numbers all day, but there is just something about the intangibles that is so special.  Guys that just know how to win.  Piedmont had the talent to win both of those games at home, so i ask, what was not in the right place, their hearts or their minds.  When they play in a GSAC event they represent the scots as much as themselves, so i need more out of the lions, just not against the scots, but every other time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 03, 2008, 05:37:39 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 03, 2008, 02:40:39 PM
Old Lion, i am disturbed by PC's 2 losses this weekend, (You think you're disturbed ... imagine how we feel ...)  they don't even have a winning record.  I will give you they have some talent (Baldwin and Green), but here is my observation.  Baldwin has the #'s of an All American, but not the results.  If he truly was one of the best players in the country, then he could lead his team.  I understand you will argue numbers all day, but there is just something about the intangibles that is so special. (Not at all ... I'm probably a bigger intangibles guy than you are ... I've been arguing for years that scoring is way over-emphasized in the GSAC, at the expense of the other stuff)  Guys that just know how to win.  Piedmont had the talent to win both of those games at home, so i ask, what was not in the right place, their hearts or their minds.  (It's certainly not their hearts ... more on that later.)  When they play in a GSAC event they represent the scots as much as themselves, so i need more out of the lions, just not against the scots, but every other time.

OK, you asked ... so here is my opinion ...

There are many facets to Piedmont's current struggles ... so I'll try to keep it brief. But I'm not making any promises, brevity is not one of my strengths ...

A few of the primary factors:
* There is nothing wrong with the talent we do have ... it's what we don't have. Sadly, we just don't have all the basic pieces you typically find in 99% of successful basketball teams. Basketball is the ultimate "synergy game" ... we just don't have all the pieces to fit together properly.
* We are ridiculously small.
* One of our key guys off the bench (McCoy) has been hurt for the last month.
* We don't have the depth, particularly at the big man spots. Typically, you'd like 4 or 5 big guys you could rotate at two spots ... staying fresh, hustling all out, and occasionally hammering opponents inside. Personally, I keep hoping Sloan can become more of a factor ... if for no other reason than to keep Baldwin fresher and give us 5 more fouls to use inside. Seems to me we go through dry spells at times partly because Baldwin is exhausted.
* There is an insidious ripple effect to the combination of the above factors ...
    * We are small, so we have to play pressure defense.
    * We lack depth so it's tough to play pressure defense.
    * We have to pressure the ball ... if you pressure the ball you're going to give up more drives to the bucket ... that's
       OK if you have the depth and fouls to give with guys stepping over to block shots and/or draw charges ... we
       don't.
    * We get killed on the glass. Sometimes, particularly if the officiating is inconsistent, the only appropriate response
       is to aggressively battle and not worry about fouls ... again, no depth.
    * If you are small, and lack depth ... you may be forced to play zone ... then it just gets tougher to box out.

So to your question ... Is it their hearts or their minds? It may be their minds from this perspective ... Our players are not stupid. They realize the short comings they have to overcome each and every game. So I think, subconsciously, they may feel they have to "play perfectly", avoid all mistakes to win. We both know you can't play that way.

There was a great line from the movie "Risky Business", that I think epitomizes the attitude we have to play with. "Sometimes you just have to say, what the f*%k." ... IMHO, that's our best chance for success ... we just have to play balls to the walls ... still play smart, but not worry about making mistakes.

Baldwin is going to score. If we can take some of the focus off of him by more consistently getting the ball to Green in the transition game and getting some easy buckets and/or shooting with more confidence when he drives and dishes ... I still think we can cause problems for a lot of teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 04, 2008, 09:26:58 AM
lack of depth seems to be a real problem, i agree with your assessment of 4 or 5 guys to rotate through your big spots down low and i also agree that you need another scorer so you have a counter punch for baldwin who is a big right hook

Hopefully they can get it together, they just breeze through the conference schedule, except for Murvul

Nice assessment
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 05, 2008, 09:48:40 PM
Maryville comes away from Florida with a pair of good wins after losing to Avrett.  Hopefully they can beat Covenant on the mountain, which is coming up in a few days.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 07, 2008, 12:29:12 PM
The Scots keep it going!! Good trip to Florida. Watts this might be the best job Coach Lambert has done in awhile. Piedmont continues to be Piedmont. A team full of talent but just can't win. They should have no excuses. They have a dominant player in Baldwin and a heck of a point guard in Green.

Well I hope the Scots continue this impressive play and get invited to the NCAA Tournament for the 10th consecutive year.

Wish all the Best for the 2008 year!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2008, 05:12:50 PM
Killer, having seen Piedmont in person I can tell you that the team is not very deep. Those two players are not enough to win a basketball game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 08, 2008, 10:53:50 AM
Killer, its like the alumni shirt says  GOT FIVE? 
it takes more than 2 players to win basketball games and Coppage has not been the savior they thought he would be

One thing you will notice about Randy's players is that they improve from year to year, very rarely does a player graduate the same player that he arrived in the mountains as, yes even Orr is becoming a victim of the randy lambert improvement program
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 08, 2008, 12:22:49 PM
Pat,
I just believe that with the type of teams they play and with they got they should not be a losing program year in and year out. Coach Glenn is a good coach I just don't think the kids know how to close out games. They play hard but don't have that winning edge.

Watts you are right! Our Five can play!! Randy does a good job developing guys but a lot of the credit should go the assistants. Coach Wallace and the newly aquired Coach Nelson will develop players better than previous years!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 12:33:54 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 08, 2008, 12:22:49 PM
Pat,
I just believe that with the type of teams they play and with they got they should not be a losing program year in and year out. Coach Glenn is a good coach I just don't think the kids know how to close out games. They play hard but don't have that winning edge.

I'm wondering if you really know what they have this year, I guess ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on January 08, 2008, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 08, 2008, 10:53:50 AM


One thing you will notice about Randy's players is that they improve from year to year, very rarely does a player graduate the same player that he arrived in the mountains as, yes even Orr is becoming a victim of the randy lambert improvement program

This is the main thing that is always very true since I have been watching MC men's basketball. My biggest disappointment has been Jeremy. He has his good moments but he is too inconsistent. Otherwise, they each seems to improve constantly. Whether it is Randy, Wallace or themselves, I do not know. It has been a blast to watch Hernandez be in that program.

It is definitley one of the things that brings me back to Cooper every week, every year.


On a side note, tonight I watched a 12year miniature Monte Calloway play ball. Spittin' image of an MC great!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 09, 2008, 09:05:44 AM
"On a side note, tonight I watched a 12year miniature Monte Calloway play ball. Spittin' image of an MC great!"  (He probably already has his application in to MC)

The Panthers found a bandage in the form of Pensacola Christian College last night.  Before anybody starts yapping about strength of opponents, this ain't your daddy's Christian College.  Four senior starters, good size and they can absolutely fill it up when they get going.  If you ask anybody what we do here at LC, the usuall response is that we play hard.  HSC and MU played harder than us at certain times and that was very disappointing.  PCC plays with a lot of passion and our number one goal was to play more passionate and energetic than they did.  We made that happen thus victory was ours. 

Ourselves and Huntingdon kick off the men's side of things in the GSAC on Saturday in Montgomery.  The facility advancements that Huntingdon made are very nice. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 09, 2008, 11:02:39 AM
yeah coach haynes we noticed the improvements to the brickhouse and we are upset, the scots are going to have to step up their facilities.  things are in the works.

I noticed PCC has a nice lil facility down there, i heard that school is fanatical about their bball team.

yes, that 12 year has already been preaccepted to murvul, he will be there in the fall of '14, so get ready
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on January 09, 2008, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on January 09, 2008, 09:05:44 AM
"On a side note, tonight I watched a 12year miniature Monte Calloway play ball. Spittin' image of an MC great!"  (He probably already has his application in to MC)


He isn't the first young'un to commit to MC early.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 10, 2008, 12:35:18 PM
I see from the MC stats that the Scots have 10 players averaging over 13 minutes a game.  This is a pretty real change for a RDL team, isn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on January 10, 2008, 07:23:15 PM
It seams like 5-6 years ago he went to the bench pretty heavy.  I think I remember being suprised how many minute Placeras got, because before him, no one would get more than 25 minutes a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 10, 2008, 10:58:33 PM
well, he doesn't have 2 or 3 players have really standout, Bowers is the only guy they cannot live without

you heard it here first, "Raul was a buster"-ruben gonzalez
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 11, 2008, 09:49:41 AM
HAHA!! You are the man Mr.Watts!

By the way get ready to get waxed in City League and Saturday!! GAME OVER!!

Scots keep on rolling! Everyone join the Lambert Express because it is going many places this year! This is the year they get passed the 2nd round! Last time they did was my junior year with Mr. Watts on the sidelines coaching the Great Walden Buttram and Jason "Pretty Hair" Doan

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 11, 2008, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 03, 2008, 05:37:39 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 03, 2008, 02:40:39 PM
Old Lion, i am disturbed by PC's 2 losses this weekend, (You think you're disturbed ... imagine how we feel ...)  they don't even have a winning record.  I will give you they have some talent (Baldwin and Green), but here is my observation.  Baldwin has the #'s of an All American, but not the results.  If he truly was one of the best players in the country, then he could lead his team.  I understand you will argue numbers all day, but there is just something about the intangibles that is so special. (Not at all ... I'm probably a bigger intangibles guy than you are ... I've been arguing for years that scoring is way over-emphasized in the GSAC, at the expense of the other stuff)  Guys that just know how to win.  Piedmont had the talent to win both of those games at home, so i ask, what was not in the right place, their hearts or their minds.  (It's certainly not their hearts ... more on that later.)  When they play in a GSAC event they represent the scots as much as themselves, so i need more out of the lions, just not against the scots, but every other time.


Matt, your question revisited ...

It most certainly is not their hearts. Two recent games stand as clear cut evidence that there is absolutely no quit in these guys.

First, in the poorest officiated game I've ever seen on the college level, (yeah, I know ... that's saying a lot) we came from behind with 5 six-footers on the floor to win a close one at Southeastern.
http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2008/1/4/01_04_07_mbball.asp?path=mbball

Then last night, we had an unbelievable, come-from-behind, OT win against a pretty good team from Pleasantville Christian. If you've ever been to a game at their place, you'll understand the Pleasantville reference. In my visit there, I felt like a heathen because I had on jeans and because in my heart I knew ... I enjoy the rock and roll music.
http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2008/1/10/01_10_08_mbball.asp?path=mbball

Nope, there is nothing wrong with these guy's hearts or minds.

As a matter of fact, there is nothing wrong with this team that the addition of one more big man couldn't cure. Since a late season trade isn't really an option, I guess they'll have to just keep "gutting it out" like they have been.

I'm proud of these guys ... no matter what the scoreboard says, these guys are winners.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 11, 2008, 09:49:41 AM
HAHA!! You are the man Mr.Watts!

By the way get ready to get waxed in City League and Saturday!! GAME OVER!!

Scots keep on rolling! Everyone join the Lambert Express because it is going many places this year! This is the year they get passed the 2nd round! Last time they did was my junior year with Mr. Watts on the sidelines coaching the Great Walden Buttram and Jason "Pretty Hair" Doan

They often get passed the second round. What you want is for them to get past the second round.

I love unintentional comedy. This is why spelling is important.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 11, 2008, 01:00:30 PM
Killer, i saw part of your church league game last week, it was beautiful, looked like alex bowers in the low post, out of place

old lion,
i have seen a lot of good teams in D3, and no matter how much talent they have, every team has to gut it out every night, with some limited exceptions, like huntingdon's first ever visit to murvul, when randy did not know if they would come back out for the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 11, 2008, 01:27:47 PM
oldlion - hope to see you in the 'ville on saturday, and i hope the monarchs can gut out a victory ending the pc 3 game win streak :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 11, 2008, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: narch on January 11, 2008, 01:27:47 PM
oldlion - hope to see you in the 'ville on saturday, and i hope the monarchs can gut out a victory ending the pc 3 game win streak :)

See you there.

I think/hope PC is about due to play well against you guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 12, 2008, 07:07:34 PM
Big win for the scots of Greensboro (76 to 65) who had previously beaten Mississippi College and Guilford.  This win was a balanced performance with contributions from everyone on the team.  Some guy for Boro had 33 i think but it wasn't enough.  Go Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 12, 2008, 09:56:54 PM
oldlion - good to see you today - sorry i couldn't talk more...the little man is a handful and keeps me on the run - your boys played hard today...any talk about the lions lacking heart is absolutely not warranted - baldwin was a man today, as he usually is against mu...i'll be happy to see that kid get a degree :) - you guys sure do force teams to play a little ugly offensively - i think pc will be very competetive and probably have another 15-17 win season

i disagree with your assesment that pc's biggest need is a big man, though (although i don't disagree that it would be NICE to have another big 'un inside) - i think what pc really lacks, and i think it showed big-time today, is athleticism - there isn't anyone on that team that is scary athletic - you don't need to be huge to rebound in d3 (see one shuford, antwin...he pulls down 8.3 rpg at 6'2"/200), but if your not going to be big, you do need to be athletic (and shu is plenty athletic) - the monarchs outrebounded pc by a wide margin today, but it wasn't because they were bigger, it was because they're more athletic at just about every position - pc really needed one or two athletic players to add to the inside presence that baldwin presents and the outside shooting ability of green (despite his 0-7 performance today, he's a good shooter), rubio, parker and coppage

speaking of athleticism...how impressive was luemichael smith (#3) for the monarchs?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 13, 2008, 10:58:53 AM
Here is Marcus' Daily Times story about Maryville-Greensboro:
http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080113/SPORTS/217936753

Adam Nicholson came close to singlehandedly ruining an otherwise good game by the Scots.  He played 39 minutes for the Pride and scored 35 and until the last five minutes nobody could deal with him.  He got tired and Eryk Watson at about the same time.  I am afraid Luemichale Smith of Methodist will grow up to be Adam Nicholson in time for him to be in the same conference with the Scots.

As long as the Scots stay within RDL's offensive and defensive systems, this is a pretty good and interesting team.

Can anybody help Chris Orr with free throws?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 13, 2008, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: narch on January 12, 2008, 09:56:54 PM
i disagree with your assesment that pc's biggest need is a big man, though (although i don't disagree that it would be NICE to have another big 'un inside) - i think what pc really lacks, and i think it showed big-time today, is athleticism - there isn't anyone on that team that is scary athletic - you don't need to be huge to rebound in d3 (see one shuford, antwin...he pulls down 8.3 rpg at 6'2"/200), but if your not going to be big, you do need to be athletic (and shu is plenty athletic) - the monarchs outrebounded pc by a wide margin today, but it wasn't because they were bigger??? (you may want to take another look at both rosters ... Methodist is a lot bigger ... that, and their athleticism, was a huge factor) it was because they're more athletic at just about every position - pc really needed one or two athletic players to add to the inside presence

speaking of athleticism...how impressive was luemichael smith (#3) for the monarchs?

Narch,
We are essentially saying the same thing in slightly different ways ... bigger/more athletic ... that's splitting hairs, we could use both.  Bottom line is, we need to have a fighting chance on the glass!

IMHO, we have to keep trying to work Sloan (our 6'8 freshman) into the mix. I can just feel Baldwin wearing down. He is a warrior and he's still putting up impressive numbers ... but, he's not doing all the little things (playing with the same overall energy) he was earlier in the season. He's standing around too much. And, at times, he looks like he's afraid to play defense or go to the offensive glass. Really, he has no choice ... he has to rest sometime ... and he has to be concerned about fouls.  It is simply impossible to play a guy, especially a big guy, 38+ mpg and expect him to constantly play with the energy you'd like. (The only reason he is averaging only 35 mpg is that he has been in foul trouble some games.)

I love Shuford! A player like that could go a long way towards solving our problem. Yeah, Smith was very impressive also.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 13, 2008, 04:47:12 PM
murvul alumni
the last time the scots went to florida they had a great season, maybe we should send them down there every year?

anyone willing to back that up????????????
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 14, 2008, 10:45:38 AM
Another good MC D3 story in Daily Times about tonight's Rust game:
http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080114/SPORTS/174531025
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 14, 2008, 12:42:01 PM
marcus does a phenomenal job covering the scots, I wonder if he has any eligiblility left b/c if he can shoot the ball the way he writes articles he is a potential all american
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 14, 2008, 04:09:22 PM
LMAO he hasn't even picked up a ball in almost a decade, so I doubt Lambert would give that a second look ;D

So Lambert brought this up and while it's way too early that never has stopped us from discussing stuff before now. For the first time in a few seasons (mainly because of Miss. College having only five non conference games) the MCs have a common foe this season. Maryville downed Greensboro 76-65 Saturday. Mississippi College lost to Greensboro 78-71 at the Hampden-Sydney tourney right before New Years. (And yes I know GC played a full game against Miss and only one half against Maryville and that Miss is already showing great signs of def improvement with Coach back but the win is a win and the record is the record)

So all things equal, with no head to head to compare between them, could the common opponent criteria be enough to put the first round in the Smoky Mountains rather than back by Old Man River?

Right now if I had to guess I see Mary-Hardin baylor, Miss College, Millsaps, Maryville, probably Centre, and probably Shenandoah then Guilford plus one from ODAC getting south region dance cards. In that formula I think Maryville fans have to pull for Centre to beats Millsaps to give support for a site in the center of the region rather than at the opposite ends (Miss and Va) again. If things break right you have MHB hosting an all texas site and Maryville hosting a middle with one ODAC coming Maryville the other going up the coast or hosting. I know there are holes here (there always are) but offer me up some scenarios. And again I know its way too early, but again has that ever stopped this board before?


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 14, 2008, 10:12:37 PM
Mc handled Rust tonight at Boydson Baird gymnasium.  There was a sick dunk by a guard over Chris Orr that I still cannot get over.  Ben Williamson is the streakiest player I have seen at MC.  He had two dunks tonight along with 3 3's in consecutive possesions.  Another 20 point win by the scots.  Where have you been MattGrubb.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on January 15, 2008, 10:05:37 AM
King comes calling on Thursday...the Crazies will be in full force!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 15, 2008, 10:25:18 AM
Let's support the Daily Times reporting on D3 by clicking here (even if Marcus did not write it!)  MC-Rust coverage:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080115/SPORTS/402069961

Battered:  Centre seems to be for real...it's too bad MC's game w/ them was cancelled (or maybe not...it's hard to win up there).  I like your thought process but the NCAA does not use good sense so who knows!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 15, 2008, 10:58:33 AM
Seems Marcus did his own analysis of MC and I missed it.  Good job, man:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080115/SPORTS0104/142742565
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 15, 2008, 02:34:35 PM
Well The Grubby One has had some issues he has had to deal with amongst family members b/c as you all know when you are a fighting scot for life you have a lot of family members, so i have not been able to enjoy my favorite thing which is watching my son, Alex Bowers, and this years fighting scot squad destroy basketball teams from other colleges.  The Grubby One is proud of their recent performance and The Grubby One will be in attendance Thursday fresh off of a trip to Lexington to see Transy v Hanover.  The Grubby One will be attending the young alumni function at Sullivan's in downtown Murvul before the game and has a free beer for anyone that shows up in orange and garnett body paint.

The Grubby One would like to give a shout out to his grandson Ben Williamson for a great game lastnigh, i never knew he could dunk but that is what the paper said so i will have to get ahold of the video.  Also one Eryk "Randy" Watson, no not because he is Randy Lambert's new golden child, but because he is going to be the lead singer of the band of crazed maniacs that RDL is throwing out on the court.  With the depth the scots have and 3 more years of this kid, the scot family is excited about the kind of results RDL will be able to get out of these guys.  This kid can play some defense and apparently some offense too.  He reminds The Grubby One of a Benny Shepherd type. On to Chris Orr and Greg Hernandez, The Grubby One has been pleased with their combined efforts and The Grubby One is aware that most of the credit for their results belongs to the Killer.  The scots have their work cut out for them as the Tornadoes will be in Murvul Thursday and quite frankly The Grubby One is excited. 

what famous band was Randy Watson the lead singer of?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 16, 2008, 09:40:26 AM
As Randy Watson would say....Let's hear it for my band....Sexual Chocolate....Sexual Chocolate everbody! 

Unfortunately, I am better at trivia than I am at coaching against zone defense.  Huntingdon squatted down in a couple zones in the second half at their place and let the frustration begin.  Beautiful facility, ugly game.  I would suspect that not many people can find a way to lose a game after holding the other team to 31FG%.  Went recruiting in TN last night.  I saw the #4 ranked Howard Tigers(that wasn't who I was watching) and they have a little bit of talent but boy that didn't seem excited to play at all.  I would like to see them at full intensity. 

All Murvul fans in attendance get a free hand shake on Saturday from yours truly.  Have a safe trip down and if you come down on Friday and just can't wait til Saturday for Country's BBQ, then order the turkey and dressing special.  That will definitely hold you over until Saturday
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 16, 2008, 01:16:46 PM
Bard,
here is the solution to hosting a regional deal and i am keeping with murvul college's theme of the 2000's.  Build.  They are building a 47 million civic arts center.  We need to go ahead and get the plans for Calvin's new arena, make some adjustments, namely make it bigger, and then all we would have to do is make the tourney to host an event.  Is 35 mil too much to spend on the Wesley Lambert Arena and Entertainment Center, Beaty and i don't think so.  Now, Bard i am going to need you to do an article announcing our plans so people will know to send in their money so we can get started on construction, it is almost march so we are going to have to build this thing pretty quickly, but we are fighting scots we can do it.  This will solve our problems.
As always, The Grubby One sees things so clearly and is always here to help.  Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 16, 2008, 02:34:38 PM
Grubby has been taking funny pills.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 16, 2008, 04:04:08 PM
Grubb, not only can Williamson dunk he can straight throw it down.  Also in the Knoxville paper there was an article about Maryville High School and talked about a student with a shirt that said "Damron Makes it Rain."  I think you can guess the rest.  Won't be there thursday i feel confident in MC and i am got to UT/Vandy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2008, 09:59:26 AM
I knew exactly who the knoxville paper was referencing and it is not funny pills, it is funny sauce
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 17, 2008, 11:05:21 AM
Marcus has a good article about tonight's King-MC game:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080117/SPORTS/370786348

Randy expects more of a struggle than does Spencer.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 17, 2008, 11:37:29 PM
Stephan Cooper has a good article about the Scots in Blount Today: 

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2296
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 18, 2008, 09:20:26 AM
This is my version of every redneck call in radio show in SEC sports.
"i was just calling to say I love you and I love your show. Uh, Uh, I was just wondering if you all thought Jonathan Johnson was as great a player as I do? I will hang up and listen to your thoughts. Go Scots"
Now fighting scots, answer the question
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 18, 2008, 09:47:51 AM
JJ was great last night.  RDL thought so, too.  See Marcus' story:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080118/SPORTS/917272150

Alex played like Alex, too.  Anybody up to the challenge of helping lefthanded players make foul shots?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 18, 2008, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 08, 2008, 10:53:50 AM
Killer, its like the alumni shirt says  GOT FIVE? 
it takes more than 2 players to win basketball games and Coppage has not been the savior they thought he would be

Matt,

I don't think anyone thought he was going to be "a savior" ... but he's a great guy ... and he's been a damn fine player for us!

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/mbball/2008/1/17/01_17_08_mbkk.asp

Two OT wins in a week ... these guys never quit ... it most certainly is not their hearts!

Also, good to see Sloan get some meaningful minutes last night. He did fine ... I still think he will  become more of a factor before the season is over.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3ball on January 19, 2008, 11:56:02 AM
GGGGGOOOOOOOOO HHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 19, 2008, 10:12:29 PM
Any first hand accounts from the Lagrange MC game today?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2008, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 08, 2008, 10:53:50 AM
Killer, its like the alumni shirt says  GOT FIVE? 
it takes more than 2 players to win basketball games and Coppage has not been the savior they thought he would be

We definitely have more than 2 players ... very balanced effort tonight with several guys stepping up.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/07-08stats/pcm17.htm

Kudos to my man Wesley (The Beast) Parker for getting all over the glass tonight with 11 boards.

Kudos to Coach Glenn for using his bench effectively to keep everyone fresh. Being able to get a few more minutes from Lampl and Sloan at strategic points in the game is going to have to pay dividends down the stretch.

Go Lions!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2008, 03:36:27 PM
It's worse than I realized ...

Piedmont Rebounding Margin

Opponent   Us   Them   + (-)

Rust           42    31         11     W by 27
Ferrum       34    42        -8    W by 10
Sewanee   29     42       (13)     L by 24
Birm-Sou    27     35        -8      W by 2
Catholic      24    40      (16)      W by 4
NCW           30    52      (22)      L by 18
Sewanee    27    46      (19)      L by 1
TFC             49    42         7       W by 33
Rust           34     48      (14)      L by 13
Methodist   24    43       (19)     L by 4
Averett       28    44       (16)      L by 21
Southeastern 33 49      (16)     W by 2
Concordia   31     41     (10)      W by 13
Pleasantville 36  43       (7)       W by 5
Methodist     26   44     (18)       L by 17
ACC             37   46        (9)       W by 8
Huntingdon   34   34         0         W by 12

The good news is, we don't have to outrebound anyone to win ... we just have to avoid getting killed on the glass ... keeping the negative margin under double figures seems to give us a fighting chance.

Keys for the rest of the season ...
1) Figuring out how to go to the offensive glass a little more effectively.
2) Doing a better job of boxing out on the defensive end.
   2.1) Finding a few officials who will call "over the back" fouls when we do.

As an old friend of mine used to say, "Gee, I have a keen eye for the obvious."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2008, 03:45:49 PM
200 posts, old lion!

Congratulations!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 21, 2008, 01:25:31 PM
Another GSAC game is looming.  MC versus Huntingdon and Boydson Baird.  Sounds more like B&B circus cause there is going to be a show put on by the scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2008, 11:03:31 AM
unfortunately it looks like the entire success of piedmont's season is going to be whether or not they can beat murvul.  The scots should have an easy time defending their GREAT SCOTS ATHLETIC CONFERENCE title.  it is a shame the scots played so poorly in front of Pat.  I hope the scots get a chance to make up their game with Centre, they need that Win to complete their resume.  The scots look tough at home, but a good road win against a top 25 team would be nice.

Coach Haynes, please never allow Orr to score more than 20 points, it is painful to listen too.

Old Lion, what about Eryk "Randy" Watson for GSAC player of the year in 2008 and if not 2008, how about 09,10, and 2011?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 22, 2008, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 22, 2008, 11:03:31 AM
Old Lion, what about Eryk "Randy" Watson for GSAC player of the year in 2008 and if not 2008, how about 09,10, and 2011?

No argument here ... he's a good one already ... looks like a lock for gsac freshman of the year. Seems to be a good guy too. I met him and his parents when Murvul was in Demorest.

Quoteunfortunately it looks like the entire success of piedmont's season is going to be whether or not they can beat murvul.

Huh? Not sure I follow your logic on that one. That's certainly not my definition of success ... although it would be nice ...

Considering that we are basically a 6 man team with only one proven big guy, I think we've had remarkable success already. I'm always an optimist, and I hope we win the rest of them ... But, I'm also a realist, and I realize that with our limitations, we are constantly walking a razor's edge ...

IMHO, any game we are in can go either way. We have to have strong games from all our key guys (and some help from the bench) to have a shot. The balanced effort against Huntingdon was a big step in the right direction. But I'm not naive enough to expect to shoot 50% on 3s on a consistent basis. But, who knows ... a little more effectiveness on the glass, continue to put out the great team effort, and hit a few timely shots ... and we can sneak up on anyone.

I'm sure Coach Haynes will have his guys ready for us Saturday in LaGrange.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 22, 2008, 12:56:27 PM
Saturday, it felt like Maryville scored off of everyone of our turnovers and that Orr scored every bucket of those conversions.  We turned the ball over above the free throw line and put ourselves in a poor place to play transition basketball from.  We did a good job on all other things and personnell we focused on but gave up so much transition that we were in too deep of a hole.  Watson is a good one but we have a freshman first teamer of our own and if not for Watson could fight for freshman of the year. 
Berry game last night was an improved effort, but still not enough. 
Recruiting tonight, practice tomorrow, Emmanuel on Thursday, recruiting Friday, Piedmont Saturday, at least I don't have to wake up and wonder what I am going to do.  Like Lambert always says about busy weeks at this time of year, "I'd rather be playing than practicing anyway."

Killa, answer your phone!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2008, 02:43:00 PM
my point there was old lion that at the pc bball banquet they are going to have one of two stories
option 1- we had a good year, we played hard, competed well and Jake won some awards
option 2- we had a good year, WE BEAT MURVUL, etc. etc., Baldwin, etc.

Now i have never actually been to that banquet, but i got 20 bucks that says that is the Cliff's notes of it

Sorry Coach Haynes, the killer is not answering his phone until you shut down Orr, he is as disturbed as i am about Orr scoring more than 20
Has the coach at Berry confided in you any info about Berry going D3 or the new gym people have talked about Berry building in Rome???????  i was in rome all weekend and almost popped down to LC for the game as i did last year.

RDL is the man
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: PrettyBoy on January 23, 2008, 12:27:29 AM
maryville is off to the best start ever just like i said they would be.  this team is incredible to watch because they seem to play so well together.  i said it before that bowers and orr and company r going to take this team to the final four.  i dont know who matt grubb or any of these dudes r but if they did play at maryville there team was not half the team of 07-08 i can assure u that.  now maybe his ymca team is i dont know, but this is actual basketball not some game where u pretend u r still in a scots jersey. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2008, 12:39:49 AM
Changing your profile to a fake e-mail address locks you out of the system. Just thought you should know. You can't fool the system that way.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 23, 2008, 12:25:00 PM
Not to be dismissive of some of the upcoming games but I think Sewanee is spending the season waiting to pee in somebody's pool. They almost pulled the trick Sunday night with Millsaps. Circle Feb 6 road game as a  big one. Scots either run away far and fast or its going to be a nail biter.

Last word is that MC and Centre are trading dates for the make up still. But the clock is ticking and I'd have to logically guess that Centre has a harder time finding a good place to put a nonconference game with MC in the mix rather than vice versa.

Perhaps when we get to March and we see who goes where then maybe I might find room to support the Wes Lambert Arena. The only problem being it won't be funded or open until even Wes is an alum and able to contribute. You would think in the Cooper renovation plans that maybe somebody would look behind the scoreboard and say huh? I bet we could redo the entrance there and make seating for another 1,500 folks on a second level. Now that's a pipe dream — bagpipe dream of course,
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 23, 2008, 02:51:54 PM
By far Coach Lambert's best job as a coach. The great thing about this team is that they have done it without a star! I had a chat with Coach just the other day and he said his boys have bought into the system and into the the thought that the only thing that matters is the W!!!!!!

Coach Haynes I sent you an email with my number. Keep it up Scots!!

fRESHMAN OF THE yEAR: wATSON
pLAYER OF THE yEAR: bOWERS
Coach of the Year: Randy Lambert

GSAC Post Memeber of the Year: Batterbard!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2008, 05:40:20 PM
Killer
I agree with all of your awards except for post member of the year, i have to go with Pretty Boy.

RDL has done a good job this year, but so has Coach Wallace.  Remember Kendal was a member of that 91-92 team and so was Rodney Lane, the star of the alumni game this year.  This is how i break it down. These graduating seniors have not been to a sweet sixteen.  The class of 2000 went so down to the graduating class of 03 had participated in a sweet sixteen.  Then 2004 went, so everyone through Bobby Golden had been, none of these guys have been, so they would be the first graduating class of this decade to not have been to a 16, so it sounds like it is their turn and maybe even an 8.  Tough with Orr as your center, but i have always said the best D3 centers are 6'7" and athletic???????????
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 24, 2008, 03:53:04 PM
Since we're going to post on posts ;D

Looking at MC so far this year a few things Ive made notes or rather chicken scratch hieroglyphs about:
1) Scots versatility is their strength. If you bring the true big muscle big man then he's going to spend half the game getting pushed and shoved by HUlknandez while the 4 takes the rebounds or he's going to be constantly beaten in transition by Orr while chasing down the inbound pass. he's skinny and possibly the GSAC redheaded step child at the position but he's got the reach and quickness to be very active denying the inbound pass from the front.
2) The dual weakness Ive seen from both is a lack of recognition for the delayed trap. They do great when the trap is aimed to catch the inbound pass but when its delayed to the midway point they tend to have a) made the entry pass, over run the press and are down in the paint leaving the guards without that middle pass option or b) the 4 inbounded and they are under the basket instead of out on the side or near foul line.
3) Both seem to have a problem with little guys taking the ball, the Chris has gotten much better about that of late. Greg is still bringing it up from way too low against undersized defenders. But to give him credit he's had his best games playing against a post his own size. Almost like he doesn't feel comfortable taking advantage of someone 6'4 because its not as challenging, then again could be over excitement o have the edge and rushing it.
4) Both need to lay off looking at the bench in the first half. RL can see when they make contact and hes far wiser and more effective bringing a no call should have been call to an officials attention. There is no need to look hurt, appear to make an excuse, let the other guy know he's frustrating you or draw an uneccesary evil eye from the stripes. RL will yell when you goof no matter how good you are, when you goof you goof, accept it. When you get hammered with a no call, let the man take care of you it's his job ;).

And as the PS John Brice's last day with The Daily Times is Feb 2.  :'( He's off to Volquest (a rivals.com UT men's sports component) so for those who know him feel free to send him a note this next week.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 27, 2008, 08:35:15 AM
OK, Thursday's Emmanuel game was a huge dissapointment in execution.  We started doing things right and went from 25 down to 9 with the ball at about the 3:00 mark.  Free throws sealed our fate after that. 
Our Piedmont game was exactly what you get when the two of us play.  Two teams playing very, very hard, except we didn't start doing that until 6 minutes into the game.  Piedmont is a team that you can talk about doing a few things against them and you can have some success but talking and doing are two completely different things.  To let you inside our locker room for a moment: We had 6 "Panther Keys" on the board and at half time we were doing 5 of them AWFUL.  We improved just enough in the second half to make it work.  To be honest with you I thought that if the score reached the 80's we wouldn't be on the high side of it.  My guys continue to suprise me....sometimes good....sometimes bad. 
Hats off to Piedmont's fans. They brought a great crowd and it was a nice atmosphere for a LaGrange Saturday afternoon'er. 

Tuesday at B'ham Southern.  Our first meeting since 03-04 when they had a very good low major team.  Then on Friday we get to go to Old Lion's favorite place...Pleasantville Christian.  1200 very nice but very loud smiling conservatives in your ear.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 27, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
Here is the link to Marcus' article about the Scots and Hawks.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080127/SPORTS/454186993

I agree with Randy Lambert's assessment...the Scots were only as good as they had to be. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2008, 08:29:47 PM
Marcus puts in his plug from Coach Lambert about getting love in the polls for the Scots on the Hoopsville broadcast.

In the South Region, we see these teams that are on the national radar.

Centre, UMHB, VWC, Randy Mac, and Millsaps are under consideration.

Coach Jones is back on the bench for the Choctaws, coming back from his heart surgery.  Mississippi College is putting some distance between themselves and the rest of the East.

I see the good in-region wins that Murvil has.  The Transy win is looking good.  The Scots have a split with Emory. A win at Centre would be nice now (and we understand.)  The split with Averett will help, if the Cougars win the USA South.

Chasing Top 25 is one thing, but fans must remember that the Top 25 and the South Region Rankings are completely different!  The South Region rankings come out week after next.

I think that Maryville has a Pool B bid.

What I really hope is that the USA South will "acquire" the GSAC en bloc.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 28, 2008, 12:04:22 PM
i agree with you ralph, I would like to see the scots in a bigger conference.

I also think the split with Emory looks a lot better now after their defeat of good ole #1.  I don't care if they ever make the top 25, just the final four
I just hope they are not thinking they are better than they are, but they are a good team, but nothing special, if i was pollster would not have them in my top 25 yet.  I am not that impressed with Transy this year or Averett.  I am impressed with MC, Guilford, UMHB, VWC, Wash U, Wooster, and Roanoke.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 28, 2008, 05:09:40 PM
I think its interesting and in my mind a positive thing that
1) Methodist and Greensboro coaches have made statements that playing Maryville is natural as they see them eventually being an in conf game. Not always said that direct but it was the gist of the statement
2) That Lambert's take on the conf on the postgame show is that it is seen as weak because with four teams it is weak. Nature of the beast I think is how he said it.

Those to me look like the opening softeners and feelers towards a merger, but devil in the details. Same 2 problems, geography distance from LaGrange and Huntingdon  to Va. schools and that those two are essential to fixing football as Piedmont doesn't bring that to the table.

From looking at the numbers I think Averett is coming around (tied for lead in USAC now affter downing Shenandoah) and that split will look good by year's end. To insure that Murvul fans should be pulling for AU to beat Ferrum first week of Feb. Emory's win got a lot of attention and they have such a tough conference slate that the Rochester win could be lost in two weeks, but  maybe not. Emory getting hot only helps MC.

However, I don't really see Maryville as a justifiable top 25 team right now either. Schedule, and again its a question of who is willing to travel to East Tenn in a home and away, just doesn't warrant it. That's not to say that Maryville may not win its way to the top 16 that matter in March. That's entirely possible.

Stat of note Laverdiere 16 assists, 1 turn over in last three games. See if he does that well against Tenn Wesleyan tonight, but still that's impressive for a sophomore point.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on January 28, 2008, 07:58:23 PM
Laverdiere had 16 assists?! Wow! Isn't the record 17 set by Raul?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 28, 2008, 09:52:01 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 28, 2008, 05:09:40 PM
Stat of note Laverdiere 16 assists, 1 turn over in last three games.

Very impressive!

Quote
Posted by: MCScotsFan
Laverdiere had 16 assists?! Wow! Isn't the record 17 set by Raul?

Reading comprehension ... very important.  (3 games)  :)   Still, very impressive ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 29, 2008, 12:36:07 AM
Went to 19 against 1 tonight as he added three with no tos at TN Wesleyan. I haven't looked to see if he's moved up but the sophomore was No. 5 in the nation last week for his season a to t.

Greg Hernandez totally reaffirmed me tonight going against a big man his own size (and speed) he goes 6 of 8 for 15 pts.(And he runs the floor! GH gets a transition basket ala Orr by beating everyone down court!) Watson had 5 dishes to one turnover and that came when he was stripped, not to say mugged, for the ball while driving the lane. Big difference in the win was Scots 2:1 assists to turnover ratio, Bulldogs 1:2.

Bowers crosses 600 point line for career by my figures he's at 613 after the win.

Big win for bragging rights with all the area recruiting rivals now losing to MC this year, D2 Carson-Newman, and NAIA's King, Covenant and now Wesleyan. If only Tusculumn would agree to play MC they could have swept them all.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcalumnifan on January 29, 2008, 12:49:12 AM
It totally amazes me how Maryville College who has played and beat every schlorship school this year and split with Emory who just beat the #1 team Rochester gets ZERO respect.   They beat Transylvania (who beat Whittenburg), who now Whittenburg is praised for their new found streak.  They lost only two games and both were splits: Averett who is very highly ranked in their conference and Emory.  I have watched MC play many times this year and talked to Coach Lambert several times this year and Maryville has at least two solid equally matched teams of 5 players each.  I know Maryvilles conference is very weak; however, they play and beat EVERY division 2 and NAIA schlorship college around: Carson Newman( who opened up against Georgia Tech and Virginia); King College, Tennessee Wesleyan, and etc.  This is my prediction.  Maryville will get to at least the sweet 16 and maybe the final 4 and hopefully then they will get some respect.  Go Scots!!! Coach Lambert sorry (WE) missed the Saturday game, but (We'll) be there next home game, good talking with you last week.  Go Scots!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2008, 02:36:18 AM
Quote from: mcalumnifan on January 29, 2008, 12:49:12 AM
It totally amazes me how Maryville College who has played and beat every scholarship school this year and split with Emory who just beat the #1 team Rochester gets ZERO respect.   They beat Transylvania (who beat Wittenberg), who now Wittenberg is praised for their new found streak.  They lost only two games and both were splits: Averett who is very highly ranked in their conference and Emory.  I have watched MC play many times this year and talked to Coach Lambert several times this year and Maryville has at least two solid equally matched teams of 5 players each.  I know Maryville's conference is very weak; however, they play and beat EVERY division 2 and NAIA scholarship college around: Carson Newman( who opened up against Georgia Tech and Virginia); King College, Tennessee Wesleyan, and etc.  This is my prediction.  Maryville will get to at least the sweet 16 and maybe the final 4 and hopefully then they will get some respect.  Go Scots!!! Coach Lambert sorry (WE) missed the Saturday game, but (We'll) be there next home game, good talking with you last week.  Go Scots!!!!!
It is a leap year this year.  They do lose in the Sweet 16 in leap years.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 29, 2008, 08:22:24 AM
Quote from: mcscotsalumni85 on December 05, 2005, 03:51:29 PM
As a MC grad I don't understand how MC never gets any respect from D3hoops.  Maryville is 6-0 and they beat all these teams away except one home game.  Maryville also has a tough schedule outside of the conference.  Maryville beat Centre (at Centre), which many predicted Centre to go far this year.  Maryville also plays many Schlorship NAIA and division II schools.  They play King College (NAIA) this week; Carson Newman division II and Tennessee Wesleyan this season.  Carson Newman lost to The University of Tennessee in their second game this season.  I would also love to know the age old question?  How can all of these Wisconsin schools with thousands of students and other Universities not colleges like Christopher Newport with over 5000 students fairly be in division III category with the likes of normal 1000 student colleges like Maryville or the other 95 percent of true division III schools?  Can anyone answer that question? 

We have been hearing this for at least 2+ years now...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on January 29, 2008, 08:27:02 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 28, 2008, 09:52:01 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 28, 2008, 05:09:40 PM
Stat of note Laverdiere 16 assists, 1 turn over in last three games.

Very impressive!

Quote
Posted by: MCScotsFan
Laverdiere had 16 assists?! Wow! Isn't the record 17 set by Raul?

Reading comprehension ... very important.  (3 games)  :)   Still, very impressive ...



Oh, whoops! I did not catch that. I think I saw 16 assists and my brain shut down.  And I agree, it is still impressive. Thanks for setting me straight. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on January 29, 2008, 08:30:24 AM
No Wilburt, you have not heard this for two years.  You have heard it twice.  Look at his post count.  Obviously not a consistent poster on the board...

Please read the comments from the regular Maryville posters.  It is clear and admitted that this team has plenty of limitations.  They might deserve a low spot in the top 25 or simply a "others receiving votes" mention.  They are very good.  They could make a run, but they are nothing special compared to past Maryville squads.

BTW, you have also been hearing for 9 years that Maryville has qualified for the tournament and won at least one game.  Who else can say that?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 29, 2008, 08:49:50 AM
This is a comment from the Maryville poster I respect the most.

Quote from: scottiedoug on December 06, 2005, 12:18:32 PM
The lack of national respect for the Scots is an old issue.  It will not be "fixed" until MC beats some respected teams, even if they beat everybody else. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 29, 2008, 10:12:20 AM
well, lets be honest, there is a big difference in beating scholarship schools and good D3 schools, typically the scholarship schools the scots have beaten have more talent than most D3 schools, i.e. quickness, size, dunks, etc., but not the discipline or structure that good D3 teams like the scots have.  Fortunately, this is not football and it looks like the scots are going back to the tournament, so it will work itself out naturally.  the only good coach at those scholarship schools was Pitts at King, the other 2 aren't worth anything, look at their career records.  Good to see wilburt.

Scots Fans,
Patience is a virtue, don't be impatient wanting a subjective ranking, if you finish in the sweet 16 it is objective, you were one fo the best 16 teams in the country.
Please have faith, that, RDL will get us back to the promised land, he always does.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 29, 2008, 10:16:28 AM
Bard,
don't forget LMU, who RDL lost a recruit to at the last minute this year.  I tell people everyday that "if you want to win, come to Murvul"-Dee Bell

Looks like MC had more problems with Huntingdon than Wesleyan
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 10:51:58 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 29, 2008, 10:12:20 AM
Patience is a virtue, don't be impatient wanting a subjective ranking, if you finish in the sweet 16 it is objective, you were one fo the best 16 teams in the country.

No, you are one of the final 16 teams in the country. Until the NCAA gives us a nationally balanced bracket in Division III (hah!) that's all we can say for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: mcalumnifan on January 29, 2008, 12:49:12 AM
It totally amazes me how Maryville College who has played and beat every schlorship school this year and split with Emory who just beat the #1 team Rochester gets ZERO respect.   They beat Transylvania (who beat Whittenburg), who now Whittenburg is praised for their new found streak.  They lost only two games and both were splits: Averett who is very highly ranked in their conference and Emory.

Being ranked high in a conference doesn't equate to being ranked high in a nation. Nobody from the USAC is even receiving one Top 25 vote.

Averett is 9-9, 3-2.

Beating a team (Transy) who beat a team (Wittenberg) that gets no votes doesn't mean much either.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 29, 2008, 11:47:20 AM
Thanks for the compliment, Wilburt, and I at least miss you on this board. 

Pat, you're kinda piling on, aren't you?  Most of the regular MC posters understand the "challenges" MC has and know that in the final analysis you just have to beat whomever you can play.  I am sorry you did not get to see the Scots play like they did last night.

Lambert's comment about Tyler Gaskin (see below) is revealing.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20080129/SPORTS/716384125
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 11:51:19 AM
Well, I am joining that conversation a little late -- gosh, it's been all of 11 hours. :) -- but the poster made specific references that I thought should have specific responses. A lot of people think they know what it takes to make a national poll but don't really get that there are 400 Division III men's basketball schools and only 25 spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 29, 2008, 11:58:29 AM
So Pat did you pick up any tantalizing nuggets of information while Down Here about the GSAC-USASouth merger issue?  Even if the USASouth is not the ODAC by reputation (and probably also not by other measures), it would help Murvul to be and mop up in it....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 12:25:36 PM
I sat down with Randy Lambert about it and it was a significant part of the conversation.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/12/29/southern-hospitality-piedmont-classic/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2008, 01:48:36 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 29, 2008, 11:58:29 AM
So Pat did you pick up any tantalizing nuggets of information while Down Here about the GSAC-USASouth merger issue?  Even if the USASouth is not the ODAC by reputation (and probably also not by other measures), it would help Murvul to be and mop up in it....
i don't know that it would help them...seems to me that scheduling is the only real advantage to being in a conference like the usasac for m'ville - being the big dog in the gsac has some nice recruiting advantages and i certainly think that the usasac has shown that they're a better conference in every spot except the top one, meaning greater probability that the scots could lose a game or two they don't normally lose (ie: the loss vs. averett) - as for making the tournament, i'm not sure there is an advantage to being in the usasac...in fact, i'd probably rather be a good pool b team

don't get me wrong...if su and/or cnu depart the usasac, i'd love to see m'ville made a full conference member for all sports and if both su and cnu depart the usasac, i'd be in favor of the usasac bringing in all of the men's gsac teams (to keep the football aq), but i don't think m'ville hoops would have any advantage as it pertains to the national tournament (or national rankings) as a usasac member
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 29, 2008, 05:43:56 PM
Narch I think you're forgetting the AQ factor. No matter how well MC does in a given season there's a wait to see if its been good enough. I also think playing some games more toward the atlantic coast would put MC in a position to be seen by folks who haven't seen them since the ODAC days in the 90s.
If the merger does go through in a year or two (like Lambert I don't see the 09 vote really shaking up the south region that much) MC gets a better guaranteed D3 schedule to work with and I think it not only raises the MC play but raises the conference play as a whole because MC is such a different animal style wise. Lambert teams are generally not as athletically gifted but more technically sound than USAC squads. I  wonder if it doesn't force a balance in between on both sides that makes everybody better in the long run.

Overall I think the GSAC would be delighted to add some travel money to get AQs for mens sports and the USAC would love to solidify the mens AQ. The women's side gets a bit more complicated as we've said before because there would be possibly 5 more women's programs than mens but nothing insurmountable.

Pat, some how I missed the podcast interview from the southern hospitality tour. There was some really good stuff there. Again sorry that Kentucky's bowl game was deemed more vital and I had to miss it.

And to close out this rant, so I can get to Cooper to watch the women play,do I think Maryville will be a sweet 16 team probably. But do I see a schedule, and that's not necessarily the school's fault, that warrants a top 25 vote even at 16-2, not yet. Now if they are 21-2 coming out of HC road trip and depending on how the mutual devouring continues in the poll, maybe they do warrant one then. But then I don't get a vote so it's irrelevant anyway. ::)


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 29, 2008, 05:59:35 PM
I agree with Narch on the murvul issue

And with all do respect Pat, as a true Murvul guy, i care a lot less about the poll and much more about the national tournament, you get to prove your point on the court, and yes we will throw out the victories, i also think that every team in the top 25 deserves to be, all those teams seem to be pretty dang good, but murvul has beaten a lot of conference champions in their run

1999-SCAC champ Rose Hulman
2000-SCAD, hampden Sydney ODAC runner up, regular season champ
2001-MacMurray SLIAC champ
2002 Webster SLIAC champ
2003 Mississippi College
2004-Randy mac ODAC champ
2005  methodist  USAC champ
2006  Trinity
2007 Mary Hardin Baylor

they have beat some pretty good teams in that run and some good players
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 29, 2008, 06:04:44 PM
And out of idle curiosity ...
Anyone know why the conference site does not list player of the week releases on the basketball pages this season? They're under news but not in the news feed beneath the standings and links as they have been in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on January 29, 2008, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 29, 2008, 05:43:56 PM
Narch I think you're forgetting the AQ factor. No matter how well MC does in a given season there's a wait to see if its been good enough. I also think playing some games more toward the atlantic coast would put MC in a position to be seen by folks who haven't seen them since the ODAC days in the 90s.
If the merger does go through in a year or two (like Lambert I don't see the 09 vote really shaking up the south region that much) MC gets a better guaranteed D3 schedule to work with and I think it not only raises the MC play but raises the conference play as a whole because MC is such a different animal style wise. Lambert teams are generally not as athletically gifted but more technically sound than USAC squads. I  wonder if it doesn't force a balance in between on both sides that makes everybody better in the long run.

Overall I think the GSAC would be delighted to add some travel money to get AQs for mens sports and the USAC would love to solidify the mens AQ. The women's side gets a bit more complicated as we've said before because there would be possibly 5 more women's programs than mens but nothing insurmountable.

Pat, some how I missed the podcast interview from the southern hospitality tour. There was some really good stuff there. Again sorry that Kentucky's bowl game was deemed more vital and I had to miss it.

And to close out this rant, so I can get to Cooper to watch the women play,do I think Maryville will be a sweet 16 team probably. But do I see a schedule, and that's not necessarily the school's fault, that warrants a top 25 vote even at 16-2, not yet. Now if they are 21-2 coming out of HC road trip and depending on how the mutual devouring continues in the poll, maybe they do warrant one then. But then I don't get a vote so it's irrelevant anyway. ::)




     My opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee but in my very biased opinion, MC should never have left the ODAC in the first place. Even though the Fighting Scots were somewhat the red headed step child of the ODAC, it was still the best fit ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2008, 11:38:39 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 29, 2008, 05:59:35 PM
I agree with Narch on the murvul issue.

And with all due respect Pat, as a true Murvul guy, I care a lot less about the poll and much more about the national tournament.  You get to prove your point on the court, and yes we will throw out the victories.  I also think that every team in the Top 25 deserves to be.  All those teams seem to be pretty dang good, but Murvul has beaten a lot of conference champions in their run.

1999 SCAC Champ Rose Hulman 
2000-SCAD, Hampden-Sydney ODAC runner up, regular season champ (Pool C bid)
2001-MacMurray SLIAC Champ
2002 Webster SLIAC Champ
2003 Mississippi College  ASC Tourney Champ
2004 Randy Mac ODAC Champ
2005 Methodist  USAC Champ
2006 Trinity TX  SCAC Champ
2007 Mary Hardin Baylor  ASC-West Co-champ (Pool C bid)

They have beaten some pretty good teams in that run and some good players.
Here is some historical perspective about playoff teams in the South.

1999 RHIT (Lost at Mississippi College in the second round, 67-53)
2006 Trinity (Lost at Mississippi College in the second round,  69-51)

From 1998-2007, the SCAC is only 7-13 (with two byes) in post-season play.  That includes a 2-1 with a bye by DePauw in 2002 and a 3-1 record by Trinity in 2005.  Throw out those games and the SCAC in only 2-11 with one bye in the last decade.

2001 Webster
2002 MacMurray

The SLIAC is "0-for the decade" in post-season play.  The good news about those games is that Maryville was the Pool B selection that was within "busing" radius, and so the NCAA could ship the SLIAC Pool A bid to Maryville in the first round.  In those days of the "away-home-bye" bracket, Maryville earned its only bye in 2004.

2003 -- The "#10 seed" Mississippi College Pool A was a down year for the ASC.  #7 seed Murvil won at home.

2004 -- #4 Seed Maryville TN lost to #8 seed John Carroll at Wooster, 76-74.  I think that this was the second best Murvil team.

2005 -- This was the year of "geographic proximity".  Maryville was seeded #5, but was where the NCAA could bus "#12-seed" Methodist" for the first round, and #7-seed Mississippi College for the second round.  I remember the hub-bub about being "disrespected" as the higher seed, but Maryville got an easy first round game to break the playoff ice, and then caught the Choctaws 497 miles away from home.  Mississippi College beat Maryville in Boydson Baird, 68-62.  The USA South is 4-10 with 2 byes in the last decade.  Only CNU has won a post-season game.

2006 -- Beat Trinity in Clinton MS, but lost to Mississippi College in the second round.

2007 -- Maryville beat UMHB (ASC-West Co-champ) but had to play those dreaded Choctaws in the Golden Dome for the second year in a row.  The ASC is 13-13 14 with 5 byes in the last decade.

I think that the 2000 Murvil team was the best of the batch.  They upset #2 HSC in Farmville in the second round!

Maryville is 10-9 with 1 bye over the last decade.

If anyone would like my Excel file on South Region playoffs, I will send it to them.   :)


Murvil is 10-9 with one bye over the last 10 playoffs!  Thanks and tip-of-the-hat to battered bard and +1!   (Duhhhhhh!  I mis-added!  :-\)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 30, 2008, 12:05:00 AM
Ralph,
When you use decade I'm guessing since 99-00 season and not last 10 years?
If you go by 10 MC's 97-98 team didn't go. The last nine teams have gone and won at least one game each trip. The 00 and 04 teams make sweet 16.
I dont have the year by year at hand (of course its in my other computer bag) but taking a stab Im thinking 10-9 over the last 10 years but I could be off trying to place the bye by memory. (this is why I take notes)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2008, 08:15:13 AM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 29, 2008, 05:43:56 PM
Narch I think you're forgetting the AQ factor. No matter how well MC does in a given season there's a wait to see if its been good enough.
m'ville would have that same wait and see if it's been good enough feeling if they were to stump their toe in the new usasac conference tournament...but they'd have a MUCH deeper pool c to compete with and they probably wouldn't have as many wins to pad the resume...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on January 30, 2008, 08:21:03 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2008, 11:38:39 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 29, 2008, 05:59:35 PM
I agree with Narch on the murvul issue.

And with all due respect Pat, as a true Murvul guy, I care a lot less about the poll and much more about the national tournament.  You get to prove your point on the court, and yes we will throw out the victories.  I also think that every team in the Top 25 deserves to be.  All those teams seem to be pretty dang good, but Murvul has beaten a lot of conference champions in their run.

1999 SCAC Champ Rose Hulman 
2000-SCAD, Hampden-Sydney ODAC runner up, regular season champ (Pool C bid)
2001-MacMurray SLIAC Champ
2002 Webster SLIAC Champ
2003 Mississippi College  ASC Tourney Champ
2004 Randy Mac ODAC Champ
2005 Methodist  USAC Champ
2006 Trinity TX  SCAC Champ
2007 Mary Hardin Baylor  ASC-West Co-champ (Pool C bid)

They have beaten some pretty good teams in that run and some good players.
Here is some historical perspective about playoff teams in the South.

1999 RHIT (Lost at Mississippi College in the second round, 67-53)
2006 Trinity (Lost at Mississippi College in the second round,  69-51)

From 1998-2007, the SCAC is only 7-13 (with two byes) in post-season play.  That includes a 2-1 with a bye by DePauw in 2002 and a 3-1 record by Trinity in 2005.  Throw out those games and the SCAC in only 2-11 with one bye in the last decade.

2001 Webster
2002 MacMurray

The SLIAC is "0-for the decade" in post-season play.  The good news about those games is that Maryville was the Pool B selection that was within "busing" radius, and so the NCAA could ship the SLIAC Pool A bid to Maryville in the first round.  In those days of the "away-home-bye" bracket, Maryville earned its only bye in 2004.

2003 -- The "#10 seed" Mississippi College Pool A was a down year for the ASC.  #7 seed Murvil won at home.

2004 -- #4 Seed Maryville TN lost to #8 seed John Carroll at Wooster, 76-74.  I think that this was the second best Murvil team.

2005 -- This was the year of "geographic proximity".  Maryville was seeded #5, but was where the NCAA could bus "#12-seed" Methodist" for the first round, and #7-seed Mississippi College for the second round.  I remember the hub-bub about being "disrespected" as the higher seed, but Maryville got an easy first round game to break the playoff ice, and then caught the Choctaws 497 miles away from home.  Mississippi College beat Maryville in Boydson Baird, 68-62.  The USA South is 4-10 with 2 byes in the last decade.  Only CNU has won a post-season game.

2006 -- Beat Trinity in Clinton MS, but lost to Mississippi College in the second round.

2007 -- Maryville beat UMHB (ASC-West Co-champ) but had to play those dreaded Choctaws in the Golden Dome for the second year in a row.  The ASC is 13-13 14 with 5 byes in the last decade.

I think that the 2000 Murvil team was the best of the batch.  They upset #2 HSC in Farmville in the second round!

Maryville is 10-9 with 1 bye over the last decade.

If anyone would like my Excel file on South Region playoffs, I will send it to them.   :)


Murvil is 10-9 with one bye over the last 10 playoffs!  Thanks and tip-of-the-hat to battered bard and +1!   (Duhhhhhh!  I mis-added!  :-\)

     Did they play Hampden-Sydney or Longwood?!! Longwood is in Farmville. Hampden-Sydney College is in Hampden-Sydney. :o Sorry Ralph....great post. Just one of my idiotic pet peeves.  ;) 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2008, 08:57:39 AM
Ralph,
actually HSC is in the middle of no where, but i believe the closest incorporated town would be Hampden Sydney.

Any way you look at it, it is a pretty dang good run and i am not going to say that the small southern liberal arts colleges are at a disadvantage, look at Barton in D2 last year, or HSC in 99, but the state schools have an advantage, since all the kids are paying their own way, the lower the price, the better for the student.

I will agree that Murvul would have a tougher time making this run in a bigger/better conference.  Meaning impossible in the WIAC or the MIAA.

Any way, back to my point, beating a bad scholarship school and a good D3 school are two totally different animals, but it is nice to be the best small school in your neighborhood.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 30, 2008, 11:42:43 AM
Narch I agree with you about Murvul's likelihood of getting into the tournament if in a larger conference.  Still, some of the scheduling challenges the Scots have (nobody in D3 wants to come here and get beat) would be addressed.  It would be interesting to see if recruiting would be easier...but maybe getting a relatively easier shot at the NCAA tournament as a Pool B is in itself a recruiting bonus....

If the Scots could get the Andy Tipton and Tyler Gaskin local big people to become Scots (like Bobby did), it would help us deal more consistently with the Ben Strong and Mississippi College type players.   

At least Methodist, Greensboro, and Averett are willing to trade games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2008, 01:19:50 PM
Nobody wants to go anywhere and get beat, I hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2008, 01:41:14 PM
Thanks to my friends!

I just called up google maps and saw that Hampden-Sydney is a suburb of Farmville.  I also saw that the road out of town to the south is called Abilene Rd.

Abilene Rd?   :)  Wow!



Hmm, MSN Maps locates Hampden-Sydney College in Farmville, VA. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on January 30, 2008, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2008, 01:41:14 PM
Thanks to my friends!

I just called up google maps and saw that Hampden-Sydney is a suburb of Farmville.  I also saw that the road out of town to the south is called Abilene Rd.

Abilene Rd?   :)  Wow!

     Suburb.....now that is funny right there!!  Yeah...I spose you could call it that.   :D H-S is actually about 5 miles south of Farmville. 
     South Main St in Farmville is Rt 15 Business and turns into Rt 15 South.  Not sure what the 911 name is these days once it leaves town limits. (Farmville Hwy maybe) Abilene Rd is not Rt 15 but does run near H-S. Amazing how educational this site is huh?  :D ;)
     

     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2008, 03:24:21 PM
HSC-all boys in the middle of a field

Old Lion,
Can't wait for the Baldwin v. Orr/Hernandez match up this weekend.

I will make these redneck bets with you

1. Orr/Hernandez out rebound Baldwin
2. Baldwin plays more minutes than O/H
3. Bowers is the best player on the court on saturday
4. will you take a spread of 17.5
5. O/H has 2 dunks, lets be honest Orr will have both of those
6. Over/Under of 141

Let me know which ones of those you will take and if you have any others
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 30, 2008, 04:56:41 PM
The Scots are on a role and I am loving it.  At Tennessee Wesleyan they played great minus the first five minutes of the second half.  This is the least "me" oriented team that I have seen from Randy and the boys.  Hope everyone is ready come tourney time.  Why not even one top 25 vote for the scots Ralph or Pat?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2008, 04:57:48 PM
Because no voter feels that Maryville is one of the Top 25 teams in the country.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 30, 2008, 08:49:58 PM
Now that's about as honest as it gets. ::)

Centre game will not be made up, so there;s go that chance to wow the Top 25 voters :P Can't blame the Colonels they have a nice run going and a chance to do something special in conference. Only place to put MC in would have been during DePauw week and while I would love to see them play regular season even I can see the sense in not asking your team to take on Maryville Wed and then DePauw on Sunday in the next to last week of the season.

Let the tourney fix such matters I say.
(and wouldn't that be an interesting pairing should it come to pass)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 31, 2008, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 30, 2008, 03:24:21 PM
Old Lion,
Can't wait for the Baldwin v. Orr/Hernandez match up this weekend.

I will make these redneck bets with you

1. Orr/Hernandez out rebound Baldwin
2. Baldwin plays more minutes than O/H
3. Bowers is the best player on the court on saturday
4. will you take a spread of 17.5
5. O/H has 2 dunks, lets be honest Orr will have both of those
6. Over/Under of 141

Let me know which ones of those you will take and if you have any others

Sorry Matt, I'm not a gambler at all ... I had to google over/under to figure out what that meant.

I do expect there will be more than 141 points scored.

I pray you are right about #2 ... as always, we'll need Baldwin to play a ton of minutes.

Re #3 ... you are always so subtle  ::) ... sounds like you are starting your campaign for co-POY again.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 04:35:15 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 30, 2008, 08:49:58 PM
Now that's about as honest as it gets. ::)

Well, it was a fairly obvious answer as well, sorry. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2008, 09:45:38 AM
The only CoPoy this year should be Orr/Hernandez for the way they have stepped up on the dominant team in the conference.  Tomorrow will tell the tale.  Anyone can score against the Bible colleges.  And i have asked around with former fighting scots and they all hated scoring 30+ b/c it usually meant they had to b/c the scots were losing and their scoring was the only thing keeping the scots in the game.  Role players are where its at, especially this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 01, 2008, 12:00:31 PM
Nice team effort for my Lions ...

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/07-08stats/pcm19.htm

Everyone got some PT ... 9 guys scored ... 5 guys in double figures ... 2 guys with double doubles (Baldwin 26 & 11, Green 10 & 11) AND ... we actually outrebounded them, 40 to 33!

Also, we moved to a positive assist to TO ratio as a team (323 to 317) for the season. Given our wide open style and lack of big guys (besides Baldwin) to consistently finish around the basket ... I think that's pretty impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 01, 2008, 11:47:33 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 01, 2008, 09:45:38 AM
The only CoPoy this year should be Orr/Hernandez for the way they have stepped up on the dominant team in the conference.  Tomorrow will tell the tale.   Anyone can score against the Bible colleges.  And i have asked around with former fighting scots and they all hated scoring 30+ b/c it usually meant they had to b/c the scots were losing and their scoring was the only thing keeping the scots in the game.  Role players are where its at, especially this year.

With all due respect, Matt ... I'm not sure what tale you think will be told ...

I've been doing a little analysis, looking at the hard facts with respect to both teams.

We are primarily a 6 man team. 6 guys have played 90% of our minutes this season. (Our 7th and 8th guys are both averaging about 7 minutes a game.) Of those 6, we have a 6'7 guy and 5 guys who are right at 6 feet, plus or minus an inch or two ... mostly minus.  Our 7th guy has been coming on lately, contributing a little more ... and guess what ... he's 5'11.

Murvul, on the other hand, is essentially a 10 man team. 10 guys playing 95% of your minutes ... all averaging at least 13 mpg.

1st unit:
5'10, 6'3, 6'3, 6'6, 6'7

2nd unit:
6'1, 6'3, 6'4, 6'4, 6'6

Heck, your 11th guy (Holliday) is a 6'7 Sr who started as a freshman for you guys ... and who could very well start for us (or at least get significant minutes) this year.

So I'm not sure what tale you think will be told (what will be proven) ... if Murvul wins, if Baldwin doesn't have a great scoring day, if Green doesn't have a great assists day, if Murvul kills us on the glass, etc. etc. ...

Heck, if we can pull off the upset ... I think Coach Glenn should immediately be named GSAC Coach of the Year ... and I'll expect you to present the trophy.   :D

Regarding your comment, Role players are where its at ... I agree 100%. Unfortunately, we just don't have all the basic pieces to cover all the essential roles.  But I'm certain we'll give it our best effort tomorrow and see what happens.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2008, 01:15:21 PM
Good Luck today Old Lion, I suspect you will be there, so i am interested in your take on how good this murvul team is compared to the past couple.

Also, if PC wins, The Grubby One will present Coach Glenn with the COY Plaque.  I think that is a tremendous idea.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2008, 03:38:06 PM
We might even name Old Lion Poster of the Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on February 02, 2008, 08:18:04 PM
I see that the Scots moved to 18-2 today.  Tennessee is trying to keep that pace tonight in Mississippi. 

Here is the real question: How many Fighting Scots are better than Steven Pearl (who was given PT in a close first half tonight)?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 02, 2008, 10:57:00 PM
A solid twenty point win from the scots today.  There will be no upsetting the scots in the GSAC this year.  Stephen Pearl is not horrible but I would rather have him than any post for MC and maybe any player than MC except Watson and Bowers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 03, 2008, 02:58:35 PM
good win for the scots, 18-2 looks good, sounds better, not too many wins against teams with winning records and or stellar records, the most impressive win on paper so far this year has to be the Carson Newman win.

Steve Pearl is a good bball player, but certainly not an SEC ball player, i think the shot that got blocked demonstrated that.  i would not trade bowers or watson for that guy and hopefully neither Orr or Hernandez in  another year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 03, 2008, 10:29:29 PM
The two-handed reverse is underated.  I would rather have the pearl that Chris "Iron" Orr.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 04, 2008, 10:05:47 AM
Averett, Emory, Oglethorpe, Methodist, and Piedmont have winning records and Greensboro most likely will by the end of the season.

Does anyone think S. Pearl might come and play some college ball by coming to MC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 04, 2008, 12:11:42 PM
who would want Pearl

The scots still don't have a signature victory in D3 and they do not have a chance to get one
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 04, 2008, 03:47:35 PM
Tourney time will give them a chance at a signature victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 04, 2008, 03:48:34 PM
Dang Grubb, when are you going to move up to all-conference or whatever the next ladder is.  What is the number for the four stars?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2008, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 02, 2008, 01:15:21 PM
Good Luck today Old Lion, I suspect you will be there, so i am interested in your take on how good this murvul team is compared to the past couple.

Well Matt, we ran a little short on good luck. No doubt Murvul had a heck of a lot to do with that.
http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/pcm20.htm

I know you've been waiting patiently for my observations, so here goes ...

I was very impressed with this Murvul team. They don't have the dominant two-headed inside scoring threat that last years team had, but they seem to more than make up for it in other areas. They have such overall size and athleticism (and I think this year's bigs are more mobile defensively ... and very willing to use their 25 fouls) that they don't miss GoldBrad that much ... even on the boards.  Obviously, they shoot the ball better from the field (49% vs 46%), especially  the 3 (40% vs 34%). Also, I think they are better overall defensively. And. as always, they are well-coached.

Saturday's game didn't go as I expected from a couple of standpoints. We did well, for us, on the glass ... only outrebounded by 7. And you shot the ball much better than we did ... again, your D had a lot to do with that.  But also, with our lack of height and bulk, we do not benefit from the officials taking a "let em play" or a "no blood, no foul" attitude.

I hate to mention the officiating, (I really do.) but it was a factor. I offer this evidence ... Baldwin was only 10 of 19 from the field and Green and Laverdiere had 10 TOs between them ... none of those are the norm. Much of our offense is predicated on driving and kicking. I'm not familiar with the molestation laws in Tenn., but I'm pretty sure some of the stuff I saw happening, when we tried to go to the hole, is supposed to be illegal in Ga.  ???    I'm only semi-kidding.  :-\

No doubt, Murvul was the better team. But, if a lot of hacking is not called and we are shooting 3 for 18 from behind the arc ... we are going to have few assists, lots of TOs, and we aren't going to beat very many teams. So I guess if you look at that glass as "half-full" that gives me at least some basis for optimism for the rest of the season. i.e. ... we can play better than that.

Oh one other thing ... re your prediction ...
QuoteBowers is the best player on the court on saturday

I respectively disagree. Maybe we can agree on phrasing it this way ...

Bowers is the most complete player in the GSAC. He is a very good all-around player. I would love to have him on my team.

Baldwin is the most outstanding player in the GSAC. Especially when you consider that he is the best in the two categories, scoring and rebounding, that most people (especially the GSAC brain trust) pay the most attention to. By GSAC standards, he is the POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 05, 2008, 12:21:29 PM
good take Old lion

Announcement of the day:  The Grubby One has a new favorite player--Orr/Hernandez

I can't wait to see the Purcell v. Orr/Hernandez tomorrow on the mountain.

The Grubby One is scheduled to be in attendance.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 05, 2008, 07:23:47 PM
Making the trip up to Sewanee Grubb?  Wow that is a big step outside of your playpin.  Pull 'em through.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcalumnifan on February 05, 2008, 11:21:33 PM
It's funny how Centre College is ranked in the top ten this week and they lost to Rust College.  Whereas Maryville beat Rust at Rust by 53 points!!!!!!!!!!! And then beat Rust at Maryville by 18 points!!!!  Maryville was supposed to play Centre, but because Maryville had a coach die at that time; Maryville didn't play Centre.  Glad to see Maryville getting a little bit of respect.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2008, 11:43:57 PM
I think season openers tend to dim after 18 consecutive wins.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2008, 11:47:01 PM
Kind of dim... after 18 wins, it may be as bright as Pluto in the night's sky!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mcalumnifan on February 06, 2008, 01:20:35 AM
It's absolutely amazing to me how everyone thinks Maryville is no good and it's pathetic that the so called people in charge of this D3hoops snubs Maryville all the time.  Maryville could have played University of Tennessee and won and the powers to be on this board would say it was luck; UT played their practice squad; or whatever.  Let's see Maryville beat Transy, who beat Whittenberg and the comment was Whittenberg is down this year.  But a couple of weeks ago Whittenberg was on a roll and made D3hoops news.  Then Maryville splits with Emory who knocked off #1 Rochester and well Maryville got lucky.  Then Maryville beats every schlorship team and the comment is well they are nobody's.  So Carson Newman is a Nobody.  They only opened up against Georgia Tech and Virginia (and lost), but Centre can open up against Rust and lose and that was like a preseason freakin scrimmage.  Where Maryville beat the same team at Rust by 53 points!!!!!!  Do you think that was a close game?  Hum.  I can't wait till Maryville goes far in the tournament and all these doubters will look like idiots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2008, 04:00:29 AM
It's absolutely amazing to ME how you can look at everything being said and decide that people think Maryville is no good and pathetic.

When you start off with crap like that, nobody who has a vote is going to read the post of your post. Remember, I saw Maryville in person this year, and I am not the only person to do so. If through last week nobody saw fit to vote for Maryville they certainly had a reason. It isn't because "D3hoops snubs Maryville" because I am just one voter and the other 24, oddly enough, all have their own independent minds and can and do think for themselves!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 06, 2008, 08:13:22 AM
mcalumnifan is suffering from what I like to call novice posting.  When i started off at D3hoops it was me against the world...or so i thought.  Well, fight the good fight alum.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 06, 2008, 09:43:23 AM
MCalumnifan has the key in his last sentence but many people won't get that far because of the novice posting syndrome to which Spencer refers.  If the Scots beat people in the tournament, the doubters will take note.  And all that requires not doing the too-often tried trick of losing to Sewanee on the mountain.  Pat is to be commended for coming South to see some southern ball and it is too bad he saw the Scots play a bad game, but that is what he saw....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2008, 10:25:16 AM
yeah as much as I hate seeing the scots left out of the top 25, i would have to agree the scots will get their chance to play it out in the tournament

I will have to also say thanks to pat for traveling down south, while it was not a trip to murvul to see the spectacle that is a packed Boydson Baird, it was a trip to see the scots play and that is good enough for me for now, but he still has a place to stay down here if he ever wants to make the trip and MC is only 10 minutes from the airport and I will pay for the plane ticket.

Just keep winning RDL and all this will work out.  Pat and all the voters will get a chance to see Murvul play in the final 4.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2008, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 06, 2008, 09:43:23 AM
... Pat is to be commended for coming South to see some southern ball and it is too bad he saw the Scots play a bad game, but that is what he saw....
Realistically, as many teams as Pat has seen, and as often as he has considered a full season of work, and the fact that he spent a week seeing numerous southern teams gives him the general framework of the basketball that we play across the South.  (He saw 16 teams from 8 schools in 10 games in Texas in Nov-Dec. 2006.)

One other factor that we must consider is how many teams comprise D3 ( nearly 390 men, nearly 410 women).  Top 25 doesn't even leave room for one team per each of the 38 conferences, or considering winning the first NCAA playoff game as enough to crack the Top 25.

I liken the Top 25 to viewing the pack as they cross the finish line of the New York Marathon.  There is so little difference in the quality of the great number of participants and yet a few seconds may make the difference in numerical outcomes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 06, 2008, 03:50:57 PM
Nice point Ralphy.  Enough talk about the top 25 win every game from now on and there is nothing anyone can take away from you.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2008, 06:44:00 PM
mcalumnifan - do me a favor (and pardon the following, shameless plug)... tune in to Hoopsville (http://"http://www.d3hoops.com") once in awhile. Maryville has been the topic of conversation nearly every week in the South Region Report. One reason is obviously because our regional reporter is Marcus Fitzsimmons and he covers Maryville plenty with his regular job. The other reason, the team is worth chatting about! I am considered a staff member for D3hoops.com and the show is mine and we aren't snubbing the team! So your comment is baseless in my opinion.

That being said... Maryville has shown they have been good enough to be granted Pool B bids quite a bit in the past and it looks like they will garner that bid once again this season. Now... if Maryville can make a run in the tournament, sceptics may start changing their minds.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2008, 07:04:50 PM
Hey, I can't wait until Maryville goes far in the tournament as well. But I keep waiting. It's great to have a string of years with one tournament win but that only gets you to the final 32.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2008, 07:17:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 06, 2008, 03:50:57 PM
Nice point Ralphy.  Enough talk about the top 25.  Win every game from now on, and there is nothing anyone can take away from you.
Spencer,

I went back to the Top 25 Pre-season Poll for 2004-05, where Maryville started at #23.  Maryville had finished at #16 in the final 2004 Poll after the #4 Seed Maryville lost to #8 John Carroll.

Maryville lost at Emory and then lost to Centre in the first three games of the 2005 season.

I have a theory about strong conferences.  The standings leader of the strong conference will get the benefit of the doubt for the slot that the leader of the conference has established as a historical norm.

The WIAC, the CCIW, the NESCAC, the MIAA, and the ODAC and the UAA have track records and a fair measure of the strength.  The voters may be looking at the South Region record (12-2) and have you slotted as #8 from the South Region.  The South Region is well-represented this year in the Top 25, with 8 teams in the "Top30".  As of today, I see that the "South-East" sub-bracket should include host Centre, a Pool C, the USA South winner and Maryville.  (The ODAC hosts a "Mid-Atlantic bracket".)

If GSAC merges into the USA South,  Maryville is leading the USA South (currently at 4-1   ;) ).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2008, 09:47:24 AM
saw a good performance by the scots last night.  The scots hammered Sewanee on the mountain.  The funniest part was the cheer at the end of the game.  the scots had a home court advantage in another team's gym.  That Ben Purcell kid is a beast, he needs to be recognized as an all south performer, if he was in a scots jersey the scots would be undefeated.  The murvul students that were in attendance were awesome.

My favorite player Orr/Hernandez played very well last night and did a good job containing Purcell last night.  Little Chrissy Orr always seems to be in the right place at the right time around the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2008, 11:56:50 AM
i just wanted to point out that there is a 3 way tie for second or last place in the gsac, however you choose to look at it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 07, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
It is always nice to go on the road and feel like you are playing in Boydson Baird. I just cant wait until the conference tournament.  We are going to make the Cave our home as well!  Maryville is focused and playing great team ball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 07, 2008, 05:17:31 PM
Any thoughts on the Sewanee game Grubby?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 08, 2008, 10:08:41 AM
Who gives a crap about the Top 25 ranking. None of that stuff really matters!! What matters is what you do in the South Region or the Region you play in. In 2005 when we made it to the Sweet 16, we were undefeated in the South Region.

Those ranking have no significance in your seeding in the tournament. I rather fly under the radar like the Scots have been doing. We were ranked all year long when we made our Sweet 16 run. A lot of pressure!! The Scots are playing great and will probably have the best season ever because they are PLAYING TEAM BALL!! Plain and simple. Keep it up guys!

Old Lion the Lions have no chance! Part of being a good jockey you have to get a good horse. The reason you guys continue to lose is the fact your recruiting is not very good. RECRUITING! Everyone is equal when it comes to DIV III. Go get the players.

As for the Scot CRAZIES!! They will always be the best cheering squad in DIII. My boy AJ "Wildman" Bennett  is the best at what he does. Good luck to all in the upcoming games and SCOTS who cares if you are ranked or not. Keep winning!!

By the way we dropped that Carrol game in 04-05 on a loose ball lay-up with 3 seconds left. We finished ranked #16 behind Randolph Macon who we spanked in the NCAA tournament. That is why d3hoops Top 25 is meaningless!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 08, 2008, 10:13:21 AM
I take back the comment of finishing behind Randy Mac. We finished one spot ahead of them!

We lose to a team who reaches the final four by a bucket but d3hoops feel we were the weakest of the 16 teams who made it to the Sweet 16!

By the way Pat you and your staff do a great job but the Top 25 is meaningless!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2008, 11:13:10 AM
Killer good to see you back, the cooper crazies did the cheer at sewanee and it was awesome
sorry pat you have never seen the cheer in person, but you will soon enough

I think one game they should have guest celebrity cheer leaders, like let the killer lead the cheer one game or Pat Coleman

Beaty,
The scots are tough, my take on this group is like the pack of wolves, alone they are not that strong, but together they are strong

I will say this, if bowers is not all south it will be a travesty, but i am not sure there is another all conference guy on the squad, maybe Quinn, maybe JJ, maybe Orr, possibly Jared, but together these guys are a tough defensive unit and that is their strength.  On offense, they set a lot of screens and have a lot of shooters.  They also pass well and Jared does a great job getting the ball to Orr/Hernandez (currently my favorite player) where he can score.  This team also does a good job hitting the offensive boards.

The Grubby One is scheduled to be in attendance for the last two home games of the season, so i expect to see the killer, beaty, Aj "Wildman" Bennett, RDL, Rex and the whole gang.

Future Headlines
Sigmund scores 52 in a single game.  yes, fighting scots legend and loyal fan who attends every game Kris Sigmund, had a son, so RDL get the papers ready, he will be a power forward that can shoot the three and defend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 08, 2008, 10:13:21 AM
I take back the comment of finishing behind Randy Mac. We finished one spot ahead of them!

We lose to a team who reaches the final four by a bucket but d3hoops feel we were the weakest of the 16 teams who made it to the Sweet 16!

By the way Pat you and your staff do a great job but the Top 25 is meaningless!

It's especially meaningless if you can't remember it right.

Lots of teams lost to the four teams that made it to the final four. Many teams can say what you've said. We still have to rank ALL of them. And you lost to Ohio Wesleyan and Thomas More. The best Maryville win that year was the Macon game and as you eventually point out, you were ranked ahead of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 08, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 08, 2008, 11:13:10 AM

I will say this, if bowers is not all south it will be a travesty, but i am not sure there is another all conference guy on the squad, maybe Quinn, maybe JJ, maybe Orr, possibly Jared, but together these guys are a tough defensive unit and that is their strength.  On offense, they set a lot of screens and have a lot of shooters.  They also pass well and Jared does a great job getting the ball to Orr/Hernandez (currently my favorite player) where he can score.  This team also does a good job hitting the offensive boards.

The Grubby One is scheduled to be in attendance for the last two home games of the season, so i expect to see the killer, beaty, Aj "Wildman" Bennett, RDL, Rex and the whole gang.

Future Headlines
Sigmund scores 52 in a single game.  yes, fighting scots legend and loyal fan who attends every game Kris Sigmund, had a son, so RDL get the papers ready, he will be a power forward that can shoot the three and defend.
Are you serious.  If i give out my all conference awards Watson is on the top of my list with Bowers.  That is a no doubter in my mind he has helped the Scots out more than any non-Bowers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2008, 10:37:56 AM
yeah he is freshman of the year, but let's give the awards to the seniors

Also, unlike Beaty, I would like to give a big shout out to Baldwin for 2g career points, that is a huge accomplishment and should be recognized by all of us slackers here on the board.

Congrats Baldwin!


beaty, i will see you at the game

Coach Haynes, today is your worst day of the year, a trip to Murvul
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 09, 2008, 03:11:59 PM
Unlike Beaty, I didn't even know he had busted the 2k mark.  That is a great individual accomplishment.  Way to go Baldwin.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 10, 2008, 02:35:14 PM
Not the best game to watch from the Scots yesterday.  They struggled to find continuity in their offense and their rebounding/off ball defense were poor, but they found a way to win.  Good job Scots and also good game Coach Haynes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 10, 2008, 04:49:31 PM
Coach Haynes should use that Country's BBQ to his advantage. If I were a ref it would work on me.  ;)

I thought LaGrange men looked good.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 11, 2008, 07:39:49 AM
Grubb, Saturday was not the worst day of my year and most times isn't.  I like the trip to Maryville.  To ease the pain of the loss, I played the Powerball before I left the state.  I won 20 bucks.  Now I just have to get back to TN to claim it. 

Beaty, I would like to think that we had something to do with the lack of enjoyment you got  out of your Scots on Saturday.  Like I told Coach Kendall Wallace before the game.  We always feel good about what we work on going into a Maryville game and seem to have a good plan in place, but it is whether or not you execute said plan.  I will say that I thought rebounding is were we lost the game.  Maryville had 8 more offensive rebounds than us and since we shot a better fg%, if we had eliminated those it could have been a easier row to hoe. 

I was really proud of how my guys fought back on several occasions from double digit holes.  Teams as good as Maryville don't just give up leads and we pushed them to do so with all our might. Sometimes not all our brain but we are working on that. 

I usually keep some Country's in my inside jacket pocket but it was only enough for one official on Saturday.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2008, 11:10:28 AM
First of all the scots seemed to be a little distracted on saturday like maybe they overlooked the panthers.  As well as Beaty who was text messaging the whole game and not cheering on the scots.  The Grubby One was very disappointed.

Coach Haynes did a good job on saturday and the panthers cut the lead late to 3 i believe.  I think coach haynes had an excellent game plan.  Also an excellent complaint on the play were he went psycho on the refs.  That guy was mugged.  Normally when girls touch me that much i make them buy me dinner first.  The refs missed that call.  Render is a heck of a player.

Old Lion, will you go ahead and concede that Render is a member of the all conference 1st team b/c i will.

Also, I was screaming for my favorite player: Orr/Hernandez
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 11, 2008, 02:42:47 PM
I agree that: 1) Coach Haynes had a good plan and his players played well and enthusiastically; 2)  Render is a really good player; 3)  The refs blew the call; 4)  The Scots did not really seem to have their heads in the game much of the time (except for Ben).  LaGrange has some other guys that are pretty good ballers in addition to Render and they seem like a better team than their record suggests.  They never give up, which is a tribute to WGH and to leadership from players. 

I appreciate WGH coming on this board and talking mostly honestly about life in the GSAC and D3. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2008, 04:09:10 PM
Coach Haynes
We know the trip to Murvul brings back the glory days.  The trips to the Wade Houston Basketball Camp.  Good Luck in the conference tournament.

go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 12:08:01 AM
Well now the Scots are #25 on the poll and are no better than when they were not.  Let's just keep winning and get a good draw in the tourney and win some more and don't any of y'all tell the team anybody thinks they are any good.  I think one reason they are any good is that they think they have something to prove.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
Randy Lambert must think he is going to have a pretty good team for several years.  He has resigned as AD to concentrate on bb.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2330
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
Randy Lambert must think he is going to have a pretty good team for several years.  He has resigned as AD to concentrate on bb.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2330
I see this as a plus definitely for the school, and hopefully for the members of the GSAC.  The new AD can come in and make the right decision for the institution, not being bound by past commitments and past history.

Coach Lambert tried to pull the GSAC off, but fell one team shy of the AQ in 1999.  Stillman's and Fisk's departures are in the past.

I see the new AD's focusing on the moves with the USA South as being paramount on his/her agenda.

I just hope that LaGrange and Huntingdon are invited along with Murvil and Piedmont.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2008, 12:47:46 AM
Thanks for the heads-up on the release.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 12, 2008, 07:44:51 AM
Lambert mentioned this move to me earlier this year and I am really glad that it worked. You know some people make the move in the other direction to avoid the late night travel on games and recruiting.  I think now that Lambert will be a one trick pony and since he has bolstered his staff up to 12 assistants, MC will be on the rise.  I don't know if current Associate AD, Schram would be in the mix for this but from an outsiders point of view she does a marvelous job.  I can honestly say that about any of the coaches that I have encountered enough to form an opinion about at Maryville.  It ain't no LaGrange but it is a pretty good place.

I remember so much talent being at Wade Houston's Big Man Camps.  The funny thing is, none of that talent ever ended up in Knoxville.  I still have a folder with "Never Nervous" Pervis' autograph from an appearance at camp.

Tip of the hat to Render...he hit 4 shots on Saturday with his right hand.  It only took him four years to use it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 10:22:16 AM
If the Scots need any more chips to carry on their shoulders for the rest of the year, they should go to the Multi-Regional/Poster's Poll board where they could find this:

I was glad to see that no one in our poll gave Maryville a single mention. I was surprised to see them at #25 in the real poll. I was considering them last week until I looked at their schedule and their 4 team league. They'd probably be a .500 team in most of the decent conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 10:29:32 AM
Old Lion, have you heard if Piedmont has been invited to join the USA South?

(Here is my reasoning behind that question. We can see that Shenandoah wants to be in the ODAC.  The USA South needs Maryville football to keep from losing the AQ.  Maryville wants access to the AQ for soccer, baseball and basketball.  I count that there will be 2 Pool B Men's basketball bids in 2008-09 when the Northern Athletics Conference takes its 12 members into Pool A, and only one Pool B bid nationwide in 2009-10 when the Landmark Conference moves its 8 members to Pool A.  Plus, it makes more sense for Maryville to have a travel partner for hoops and soccer.  Piedmont is the next closest men's team.)

The next question is about the women, but other than the discussion about the intra-team relationships, there is very little activity on the GSAC Women's board.  The GSAC is a full women's conference and would have 2 years to fill the void left by Maryville's departure.  Agnes Scott, Huntingdon, LaGrange, Piedmont, Spelman and Wesleyan (GA) are the six.  The conference could add Fisk women to get a 7th and keep the AQ.  Is that a possibility?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 10:49:05 AM
wow, Lambert no longer AD, oh gees, what has the administration done now???
Maybe they are wanting to pull a Don Devoe type firing.  Coach Haynes, do you know what i am referring to?
Maybe they want to fire him as bball coach b/c he cannot get past the sweet 16?
who knows over there

As for the Pool B bids, who cares, murvul is the number 1 pool B every year in my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2008, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 10:22:16 AM
If the Scots need any more chips to carry on their shoulders for the rest of the year, they should go to the Multi-Regional/Poster's Poll board where they could find this:

I was glad to see that no one in our poll gave Maryville a single mention. I was surprised to see them at #25 in the real poll. I was considering them last week until I looked at their schedule and their 4 team league. They'd probably be a .500 team in most of the decent conferences.

That person obviously doesn't know what they are talking about. They must hold some sort of grudge against Murvul ...

Murvul has beaten two scholarship schools (Carson Newman and King) with winning records, as well as several good USA South teams. Seems they have already proven they could do quite well in the USA South.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2008, 11:19:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 10:29:32 AM
Old Lion, have you heard if Piedmont has been invited to join the USA South?

Sorry Ralph, I haven't heard anything ... but then again, I'm not privy to that sort of discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 11:29:28 AM
Pat Coleman a shout out for the good coverage of Lambert's move.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 10:49:05 AM
wow, Lambert no longer AD, oh gees, what has the administration done now???
Maybe they are wanting to pull a Don Devoe type firing.  Coach Haynes, do you know what i am referring to?
Maybe they want to fire him as bball coach b/c he cannot get past the sweet 16?
who knows over there

As for the Pool B bids, who cares, murvul is the number 1 pool B every year in my opinion


QuoteLambert's legacy as athletic director will also include the College's membership in a new athletic conference, which he helped form in the late 1990s. In 1999, bylaws and constitutions of the Great South Athletic Conference (GSAC) were in place, with LaGrange, Fisk, Piedmont, Stillman and Maryville colleges committing. Although lacking the number of schools required for recognition as an official NCAA conference, the Great South did hold conference championships, and it did recognize student-athletes for their contributions on the field or court and in the classroom.

By 2008, the conference has grown to seven schools and enough women's schools competing to guarantee the conference an automatic bid to a NCAA national tournament.

Maryville College teams have earned 37 GSAC championships and in only seven seasons, the Scots have earned eight different GSAC Presidents' Cups, which annually recognize the league's overall winning program.

On the heels of a successful negotiation with the College's football team into the USA South Conference in 2005, Lambert was honored with the College's Outstanding Administrator Award.

During that award presentation, Maryville College President Dr. Gerald W. Gibson described the administrator as "well liked and respected on campus."

--Maryville press release (http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2330)

Good morning, Grubby one!  :)

Randy has set his own course with this one.  From reading about the GSAC, we get the impression that he is "father" of the GSAC.  He was almost able to get the conference to AQ status, by convincing Piedmont, LaGrange and Huntingdon to move from the NAIA to D-III and join Maryville, Stillman and Fisk.  He could not get any other schools to move to D-III.  (Other winners in this process were Agnes Scott, Spelman and Wesleyan who got a formal conference.)

His stepping down from the AD post allows the new Athletic Director to move Maryville in a new direction on behalf of the university.  If that person determines that Maryville should move to the USA South, and the "father" of the GSAC cannot get the remainder of the GSAC into the USA South in his "subordinated" post as Maryville head basketball , then Coach Lambert doesn't have the political baggage of that action. 

As for Pool B status, the Maryville football team was closer to a playoff bid as the Pool A of the USA South in 2007 than it ever has been in Pool B.  The same can be said for other Maryville sports as the number of Pool B bids is shrinking in all sports.  Independent teams are aligning into conferences as Coach Lambert recognized in 1999.  The Athletic Driector at Maryville needs to optimize the playoff chances for all sports, and getting into a Pool A conference is the logical choice.

That happens to be the USA South.  I am investigating whether Piedmont is the next domino to fall into the USA South.  From the friends that I have made at LaGrange and Huntingdon over the years, I hope that the whole GSAC is merged into the USA South, because I do not like the prospects of trying to fill a schedule for LaGrange and Huntingdon as independents.

As for the USA South, they are still vulnerable losses.  They need to bolster their membership above the basic 7.  I think that we see more movement due to the "Mid-Atlantic Shuffle".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2008, 12:09:08 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 11, 2008, 11:10:28 AM

Old Lion, will you go ahead and concede that Render is a member of the all conference 1st team b/c i will.


I will. I agree whole heartedly, Matt. In my opinion, he and Jake Green were the two of the most obvious guys who were wrongly overlooked for all conference recognition when the gsac came up with that ridiculous idea of recognizing only 8 guys last year. I also thought they both warranted serious consideration as opposed to a couple of guys who were selected, but that's another discussion.

While the "gsac brain trust" still has time to give it consideration, I'd like to propose that we go back to what we did two years ago ... picking a total of 11 guys ... a POY and then a first and second team. (This year, I think 5 guys should be a lock ... picking the next 5 or 6 becomes much more difficult.)

Yeah, I know we only have 4 teams. So what does that really matter? We aren't much of a conference anyway ... why reiterate that fact by doing something really lame again like picking only 8 guys?

Let's go ahead open a discussion now of the pros and cons of picking 11 guys ... as opposed to only 8 ...

I'll start.

Pros:

* This is how the real conferences do it. They pick teams (1st, 2nd, etc.) and sometimes a POY.

* Real conferences don't decide on the # of all-conference selections by multiplying the # of teams by 2!  When have you heard of anyone else ever doing it that way? What ... are we trying to see just how lame we can appear to be?

* The vast majority of all-star teams I've seen selected (including football and baseball) were picked by position. What could possibly be the logic for us not doing it that way, as well? So, why not pick two guys at every position, and then a POY?

* Whenever any all star team is selected, there are always a few guys on the bubble for whom a good case could be made. Obviously, trimming the team to a smaller, arbitrary number only worsens that situation. An all-freshman "team" of 4? How asinine did that look?
http://www.greatsouth.org/06-07%20News/2_19_06_MBB_All-Conf.htm

* Seems like a good idea to recognize 3 more guys. After all it is D3 ... no athletic scholarships, not a lot of glory, playing for the love of the game ... what would be the harm in handing out a little more recognition. Heck, pick an all defensive team too.


Cons:

Hmm ... I don't know, I'm having trouble coming up with anything ... Maybe ... it would cost more to buy more plaques? Well, I'll step up and take care of that one right now.  I'll volunteer to pay for the 3 extra plaques.

Anybody got anything else?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 01:51:15 PM
I agree with old_lion and Ralph.  11 players and all the GSAC into the USASouth.  Whether LaGrange and Huntingdon wants to do this is a different question....Makes it pretty big on the women's side....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 02:08:59 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 01:51:15 PM
I agree with old_lion and Ralph.  11 players and all the GSAC into the USASouth.  Whether LaGrange and Huntingdon wants to do this is a different question....Makes it pretty big on the women's side....
Actually, the women can break into divisions.  That will cut half of the travel.  Salem College (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SLM/womens/2008) in Winston-Salem is another provisional school that would probably like to join a conference.  They can join the USA South (East Division).

Huntingdon and LaGrange need games badly in all sports.  They are the most vulnerable if the GSAC falls apart.

As for football, a school is not required to participate in the conference, if it chooses not to.  Hamilton is a member of the Liberty League in all other sports (http://www.d3hoops.com/region/east/mens), but chooses to compete in the NESCAC in football (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Hamilton&year=2007).  Huntingdon and LaGrange could be permitted to stay in the SLIAC for football, especially if the other 7 schools thought it to their (travel budgets's) advantage and yet keeping the AQ.  I think that Huntingdon and LaGrange will be instantly competitive in the SLIAC in football.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 02:16:36 PM
I will go along with more guys on the all conference team this year b/c murvul has more guys who deserve it.
Go Scots

Ralph,
Randy can do anything, he has Bruce Pearl and the rest of the University of Tennessee wanting to join the GSAC but they have some red tape to work through.  RDL has that much pull.

Pat
Nice job on the headlines for RDL and thank you for leaving out a picture, he doesn't have any hair color after coaching last year's killer B's
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 02:16:36 PM
Ralph,
Randy can do anything, he has Bruce Pearl and the rest of the University of Tennessee wanting to join the GSAC but they have some red tape to work through.  RDL has that much pull.

Are you sure those Tennessee athletes could meet the academic entrance requirements at Murvil?  I thought that was the reason that Murvil did not have them on the team now!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 02:34:13 PM
ralph
you are a man of infinite wisdom
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on February 12, 2008, 03:18:02 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 12, 2008, 07:44:51 AM
I don't know if current Associate AD, Schram would be in the mix for this but from an outsiders point of view she does a marvelous job.

If we are making presumptions about politics and personal bias in decision making, I would not think that Miss Schram would be for a move to the USA South.  She is the volleyball coach.  She has an AQ in the GSAC that she gets almost every year.  I'd like to see a fresh face.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2008, 03:47:39 PM
I cannot imagine MC would hire a whole new person with a fulltime salary and benefits....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 05:06:11 PM
she is the associate AD
well who over there is going to tell Randy what to do anyway, isn't the student center named The Lambert Wing
yeah get your minds right, Randy will still run that place, it just means he will have more time to recruit and try to win a national title

centre is #3 in the country with a loss to Rust, wow
good for them, it is a shame the game with Murvul got cancelled i would have loved to seen that matchup, but it was the right thing for the scots to cancel the game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 12, 2008, 05:38:37 PM
Gee can't a guy take a vacation without the world going nuts ::)

I opened up my email after 10 days away from it on the high seas and what do I find but Randy is giving up the AD seat and for some odd reason the top 25 thing is still bouncing around.

Written it once, said it a few times on the air, MC may be one of the best 25 teams around but because of the scheduling limitations ( not just anyone will come play and the budgetary limit on travel) they haven't played a top 25 type sked and don't have a signature win. Its a shame about Centre not wanting to make up the game but its 1) justifiable on their part and 2) if it'd been played when scheduled would as the second game of the season been overshadowed and rather moot at this point.

As for Top 25 in general, I'm grateful that D3 does one despite the criticism. Fans pick on the D1 AP poll's oddities all the time and this is a poll trying to rate what three times as many teams with 1/10 of the public exposure to draw info from to make decisions. I've joked about if I had a vote but honestly I wouldn't want the burden of the amount of time spent on researching teams around the whole nation to make my decision each Sunday night.

That said, we left burned 4x4 jeep rubber all over the roads of St Marteen, a rather devestated smoking engine on a wave runner drifting off Orient beach and a recycling bin overflowing with empty bottles of Presidente and Carib. Only 90 degree topless beaches with perfect weather, plenty of powerful toys and alcohol can justify skipping out on a week of basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 05:41:30 PM
I think that Centre is in the "float-up" position.

They lost to Rust in the very first game and start winning. Because everyone that was ahead of them in the standings lost week after week, they have "floated-up".  Mississippi College did the same thing in 2007 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/07/week13.htm).

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2008, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on February 12, 2008, 05:38:37 PM
As for Top 25 in general, I'm grateful that D3 does one despite the criticism. Fans pick on the D1 AP poll's oddities all the time and this is a poll trying to rate what three times as many teams with 1/10 of the public exposure to draw info from to make decisions. I've joked about if I had a vote but honestly I wouldn't want the burden of the amount of time spent on researching teams around the whole nation to make my decision each Sunday night.

Good news is we provide a great amount of information to the voters each week to begin with, so it makes the job a little easier. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 12, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
I talked to Randy last night at the Maryville High School Game.  He seemed even happier than usual.  Maybe this is a weight that, when lifted off his shoulders, will propel him to become the greatest coach of all time.  WHO KNOWS?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 12, 2008, 06:29:03 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 05:06:11 PM
she is the associate AD
well who over there is going to tell Randy what to do anyway, isn't the student center named The Lambert Wing
yeah get your minds right, Randy will still run that place, it just means he will have more time to recruit and try to win a national title

centre is #3 in the country with a loss to Rust, wow
good for them, it is a shame the game with Murvul got cancelled i would have loved to seen that matchup, but it was the right thing for the scots to cancel the game

      All this time I thought "The Lambert Wing" was named for Randy's father for coming off some cabbage?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2008, 06:47:04 PM
Well folks, I'm a Centre partisan who normally blogs on the SCAC board. Ralph is right in that we've definitely floated because the SCAC doesn't generally rate high based on strength of schedule. I, too, am sorry the Colonels didn't play MU this season; I think this game probably would have benefitted both squads. I don't necessarily buy into the polls and the rankings, but it sure is fun to ride the wave, and it's been of a heck of a ride the last 3 or so weeks! I am proud of our Centre team and their performance to date - 20 straight wins in a traveling conference like the SCAC is a huge accomplishment. However, as I've said throughout this season a lot of this won't mean much if the Colonels don't win the conference tournament and move further in the D3 tourney during 2008 than our 2nd round loss to the Ohio Scots (Wooster) of 2007. We in the South all need to get along to help advance our cause to the rest of the nation when it comes to D3 basketball - there are some good teams as witnessed by Maryville and Centre to name two!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 12, 2008, 11:03:49 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 05:06:11 PM
she is the associate AD
well who over there is going to tell Randy what to do anyway, isn't the student center named The Lambert Wing
yeah get your minds right, Randy will still run that place, it just means he will have more time to recruit and try to win a national title

Who could be better for that position than the associate AD? Well, whoever it is will assume position of AD and RDL will not be running the show. That would just be wrong and I hope he shows more class than that. You step down from a position like that and not allow the new person to run the show (with insight from all involved, of course).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 13, 2008, 12:12:30 AM
PBrooks3 thanks for the post.  I'm for Centre except if they play the (Maryville) Scots.

Wes Lambert lit it up for 35 in his Senior Night game for Maryville High.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 13, 2008, 10:35:42 AM
Finally the DailyTimes posted their story about Maryville-LaGrange last Sat.:
http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20080210/SPORTS/366975073
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 13, 2008, 05:44:18 PM
Bard
The Grubby One loves Orient beach, I hope you didn't travel in my wake down there.  Cocktails on the beach all day long.  Did you go to the other half of Orient beach, the middle school principal side with the little shop at the end?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 13, 2008, 10:36:03 PM
Lets just say sunbathing Orient beach style and eating cole slaw don't go together and I think there is at least one woman out there from Europe who needs to learn that lesson.

But to hoops. MC is  No. 25 everyone happy now? More importantly in my book No. 4 in region rankings.

Scottiedoug, took some browbeating but it finally got put up. Something about bug in new software upgrade to the upload program, blah blah blah

Saw Killer's squad fall at WB last night. Almost fell over when I saw them in a 1-2-2 ZONE. The heresy deviates from the Book of Lambert chapter 1 verse 1 "Thou shalt play man-to-man so close that his jock doesn't fit after the game because thou has been in it so long."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 14, 2008, 02:58:39 PM
the GSAC Killer
District Coach of the Year

Well deserved killer, well deserved

do you get a pay raise with that?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 14, 2008, 03:17:01 PM
Not if he's sharing it with two other co-coaches of the year ;D

Though you all must have a voting system for awards that makes the GSAC look organized and coordinated congrats are still in order.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 16, 2008, 10:52:48 AM
By the way appreciate the love Marcus. Appreciate you coming to the game. I was really Co Coach of the year with the Coach from Union County. We finished in a first play tie. The coach from Cumberland Gap did win the award. That was a mistake in the paper.

Besides all that my Highlanders got a first round bye in the District Tournament and qualified for region playoff for the first time in 7 years! Kudos to my boys!

Well enough with the Killa and his HS boys. My Scots look great! I applaud Coach for stepping down. He has done a magnificent job trhoughout the years as AD and I believe this will suit him better for Coaching and recruiting. I hope the Scots continue their good play and hope they can HOST! That is so important come NCAA tournment time.

Grubby one can't make it to Senior night! Tell my boys Q,JJ,Bowers and Holliday that they had a heck of a 4 years! Got Semis tonight. Play PFORGE tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 16, 2008, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 14, 2008, 02:58:39 PM
the GSAC Killer
District Coach of the Year

Well deserved killer, well deserved

Congratulations, Killer.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on February 19, 2008, 09:40:59 PM
There was a 3-way tie for coac of the year as Panther first-year head man Joe Wolfenbarger shared the award with Union County's Brian Jesse and G-P's Paul Placeres.

When did Bo Mason's back-up change his name to Paul.

Signed,

Big Dog
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 20, 2008, 09:37:19 AM
the big dog is the man

I hope my scots are ready to go this weekend.  I am expecting a blow out of Piedmont since it is finally Jonathan Johnson's Senior Day.  This day has been a long time coming.  if Bobby Golden shows up to support his friend, the place should be packed.  i know Piedmont's cheerleaders will be coming back to another game at Boydson Baird this year, yes they came to the last one to see some of the fighting scots.  Probably the greatest move in  the history of the GSAC. 

I hope to see a lot of Wild Man this weekend, I am going to guarantee a victory for Wild Man in the best dressed fan contest this weekend.

Old Lion, are you coming to the game, if you are i would like to meet you in person, you will be able to recognize me b/c i look like a skinny Brad Pitt.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 20, 2008, 11:38:40 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 20, 2008, 09:37:19 AM

Old Lion, are you coming to the game, if you are i would like to meet you in person, you will be able to recognize me b/c i look like a skinny Brad Pitt.


What a coincidence ... I look like a rapidly aging Brad Pitt ...   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 20, 2008, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 20, 2008, 09:37:19 AM

Old Lion, are you coming to the game, if you are i would like to meet you in person, you will be able to recognize me b/c i look like a skinny Brad Pitt.

Go Scots

Matt grubb, you look more like Simon from AI. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 20, 2008, 02:06:45 PM
I just noticed that I am leading the regular posters on this board in karma points and with the kind of year we are having I will take that victory and run.  Senior night tomorrow.  If you show up for the girls game you get a "Red Out" T-shirt and for the guy's game you get a "Black Out"T-shirt.  Huntingdon was kind enough to let us wear our road uniforms at home so we could make this an event. 

I wonder if anybody in TN is fired up about The Vols and Tigers on Saturday night?
When we were in Memphis in mid-December they were advertising tickets for this game on billboards, park benches and bathroom stalls.  It has definitely set itself up for the battle of the state.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 20, 2008, 02:13:35 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 20, 2008, 02:06:45 PM
I just noticed that I am leading the regular posters on this board in karma points and with the kind of year we are having I will take that victory and run.  Senior night tomorrow.  If you show up for the girls game you get a "Red Out" T-shirt and for the guy's game you get a "Black Out"T-shirt.  Huntingdon was kind enough to let us wear our road uniforms at home so we could make this an event. 

I wonder if anybody in TN is fired up about The Vols and Tigers on Saturday night?
When we were in Memphis in mid-December they were advertising tickets for this game on billboards, park benches and bathroom stalls.  It has definitely set itself up for the battle of the state.


     Word on the street is tix for this game are going for 10k.  :o I would love to be there to see it in person but 10k and I only have 3 words to say..........SOLD....GO VOLS!!  ;D
   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 20, 2008, 08:01:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 05:41:30 PM
I think that Centre is in the "float-up" position.

They lost to Rust in the very first game and start winning. Because everyone that was ahead of them in the standings lost week after week, they have "floated-up".  Mississippi College did the same thing in 2007 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/07/week13.htm).



Ralph, a majority of the overall movement in the Top 25 poll is from "floating". There are very few matchups of ranked teams every year, and even fewer involving teams from different conferences. The CCIW, WIAC, and UAA feature several games between ranked members, but that still doesn't do a lot to gauge them against other conferences. That is why the NCAA Tournament is so important to the next year's poll, it's about the only way to compare some conferences.

Every team in the ASC, and most other DIII conferences, have reached high rankings due to "floating". MS College's win last year over John Hopkins when JHU was #13 and UMHB's win over then #3 Virginia Wesleyan are about the only wins I can think of from the ASC in which we beat a ranked out of conference opponent.

Congrats to Maryville on their #21 ranking this week. Obviously, they were slow to get in the poll because they did not receive votes in the preseason poll. About the only way to receive a high ranking in the Top 25 is to either return the bulk of a previous Top 25 team or beat some people in the poll. It's hard for a team with a lot of new players to earn a high ranking regardless of how talented they are, unless they beat some ranked opponents along the way.

The good thing is the NCAA Tournament probably leaves out a few of the more talented teams every year in order to give different regions equal opportunity and representation in the field. Another run in the NCAA's this year plus 4-5 key players returning would put Maryville in the preseason Top 25 next year and in position to do what Centre did this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 20, 2008, 10:21:22 PM
NEW REGIONAL RANKINGS.....

How on earth does MC drop to 5th with Va Wesleyan moving to 4th in the South region and they havent lost??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 21, 2008, 10:28:00 AM
well at least we know we are in, after that things will work themselves out naturally, even if you have to go to a place like Farmville Va, or Hampden-Sydney, VA as we discussed previously b/c Longwood is actually in Farmville, and beat a team that lost in the title game the year before and returned everyone.  That team had an easy job getting ranked and staying ranked all season.  But that is why we play it out.  Maybe we will get VA wes. this year and give them the bizness.
RDL can pull that one off no problem

BTW, just wanted to let all of you know, so far it looks like the MC Chocs won't be in the way this year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 21, 2008, 12:35:59 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 21, 2008, 10:28:00 AM
well at least we know we are in, after that things will work themselves out naturally, even if you have to go to a place like Farmville Va, or Hampden-Sydney, VA as we discussed previously b/c Longwood is actually in Farmville, and beat a team that lost in the title game the year before and returned everyone.  That team had an easy job getting ranked and staying ranked all season.  But that is why we play it out.  Maybe we will get VA wes. this year and give them the bizness.
RDL can pull that one off no problem

BTW, just wanted to let all of you know, so far it looks like the MC Chocs won't be in the way this year

Matt,

      Chalk one up to that Maryville College liberal arts education that we share in common. The wit and ability to think on your feet is a priceless thing.  :D
      BTW....doubtful you will be headed to Farmville (aka...the center of the universe) or Hampden-Sydney this year.  :'( At least not for D3 basketball. Even if the Tigers pull off a run like they did last year and win the ODAC, I'm sure they will be on the road. With a little luck, perhaps the Scots and Tigers can butt heads somewhere along the way.

GO SCOTS and GO TIGERS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 02:11:33 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on February 20, 2008, 10:21:22 PM
NEW REGIONAL RANKINGS.....

How on earth does MC drop to 5th with Va Wesleyan moving to 4th in the South region and they havent lost??

Here are OWP and OOWP numbers for the two schools:
Maryville (Tenn.)  .473   .499
Virginia Wesleyan .543  .525

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 02:13:18 PM
By the way, the GSAC has been on the front page for almost two hours and you publicity hounds and no-respect complainers haven't said anything?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 21, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
Pat,
     I just dont understand how a team wins on the road but drops in the rankings.  All Maryville is able to do is win the games on the schedule.  Like Coach Lambert said it is extremely hard to get a team to agree to come to Boydson Baird Gymnasium.  Randy Lambert wont shy away from playing any team any where.  However, it isnt fair to have to play more games on the road just to play better teams.  The bottom line is teams are judged on how they do in the tourney.  When Maryville gets their bid to the tourney (whether it be at home or in Seattle) it is up to them to win, regardless of who they are playing.  I cant wait to finally see the run Maryville has been trying to make for the last nine years.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 21, 2008, 03:12:58 PM
Look at in region record and I think that answers the question.
Randy makes note of scheduling problems trying to get in-region games in Around the Nation and that's where it shows up. King, C-N, Tenn Wesleyan and Covenant were nice wins but not in the consideration there.
Its the price of being good and a long way away. No one wants to come down to Maryville. When you can't get the closest guy (E&H) to make a home and away series with you, you know theres an issue that's getting to be problematic.

Killer, your boys didnt make finals because of Pigeon Forge? How many starters were you missing for that to happen?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 03:42:02 PM
Thanks for agreeing to fill in on relatively short notice. :)

MC wild animal -- the problem is, all Virginia Wesleyan can do is win the games on its schedule and all Guilford can do is win the games on its schedule. Since the rankings are only on games played to date and not future games, it makes sense that there are changes.

Remember, these are rankings, not standings. You can get passed even if you don't lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on February 21, 2008, 07:27:57 PM
Senior Scots,

Great careers! The alumni are proud of you. The effort is worthy of my attendance on Saturday to stand and applaud you (as i did for Placeres, Housewright, Watts, Sigmund, Ennen and my favorite senior dancer until being expelled Shiela Evans).

Big Dog
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2008, 11:25:22 PM
Pat:  Thanks for the coverage.  Can you get somebody any good from the south to come play us next year?  RDL has tried everything but sarcasm, so you da man!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2008, 11:33:14 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 21, 2008, 11:25:22 PM
Pat:  Thanks for the coverage.  Can you get somebody any good from the south to come play us next year?  RDL has tried everything but sarcasm, so you da man!
An alternative is for Maryville to go to a neutral site tourney (classic or regular format) and arrange to play two good in-region opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 11:36:02 PM
And your region isn't limited to teams in the South Region.

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=44
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 22, 2008, 01:11:08 AM
LC gets a must win on senior night in front of the best Mariotti crowd since the 70's and also in front of OldLion.  Let's hope he doesn't spread the word about how bad we handled the press the last two minutes of the game.  AGGGHHHH!  The votes should all be in for all GSAC so now would be a good time for the GSAC Hoops Team to be announced.  Speaking of which, we all know that having 8 on an all conference team is absurd but it is an equity thing that we are trying to fix.  It won't be this year though. 

That was a great read about D3/4 from the CAC.  We have a head coaches & administrative meeting about the questionnaires that we all evaluated next week.  If it seems appropriate I may share some thoughts. 

If I have evaluated the tiebreak system correctly we will be playing Piedmont at 3:00 next Friday.  We both did things in the last game that we would like to fix, so I guess we will see what happens. 

I remember Pat Coleman asking how my players stay motivated even though they were in a small conference and mathmatically eliminated from the national tournament by Thanksgiving.  My reply was simple...they want a banner!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 01:42:06 AM
I believe I didn't try to do the math. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2008, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 22, 2008, 01:11:08 AM
LC gets a must win on senior night in front of the best Mariotti crowd since the 70's and also in front of OldLion.  Let's hope he doesn't spread the word about how bad we handled the press the last two minutes of the game.  AGGGHHHH!   

It was a good crowd ... and yeah, you did have some trouble handling HC's pressure.  But on a positive note, it was good to see Landon out there going full speed ... I love that guy's game ... and your "black out suit" looked a lot better than Pitino's "white out suit".   :D

QuoteThe votes should all be in for all GSAC so now would be a good time for the GSAC Hoops Team to be announced.

The votes are already in? Surely, you are mistaken, the conference schedule isn't even done yet ... If you are correct, we have yet another example of gsac absurdity   ::) ... to use your term.

QuoteSpeaking of which, we all know that having 8 on an all conference team is absurd but it is an equity thing that we are trying to fix.  It won't be this year though.

We are trying to fix? Obviously, I must be missing something ... how hard can that be to fix?

Here is a tip you can pass on to the "gsac brain trust" that might be helpful ... Make a list of all players receiving votes, in order of number of votes received. Draw a line after the 10th name, instead of after the 8th.  ::) Now was that difficult? Feel free to call me if there are any other conundrums stumping the gsac brain trust ...

A second tip ... since I have heard that an inordinate amount of consideration is given to our tiny conference schedule (as opposed to the entire season) we might want to at least wait until said tiny conference schedule has been completed ...

QuoteIf I have evaluated the tiebreak system correctly we will be playing Piedmont at 3:00 next Friday.

Again, I'm confused. Unless we upset Murvul at their place tomorrow ... PC, LC, and HC will all be 2 - 4 in conference. How can that tiebreak system have already determined the seeding before we play Murvul? Please elaborate.  As always, I appreciate your insights.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 22, 2008, 08:53:55 AM
Fisk is dropping their athletic programs
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 22, 2008, 09:52:31 AM
It is a sad state of affairs if People With Money both in the Nashville area and nationally will stand around making their BMW payments and allow Fisk University to stay in such financial shape that this kind of "cost reduction" is necessary.  I never wanted Fisk to beat Maryville in anything, but it is and has been a very important institution in this country's history, and I mean way more than just giving us Wilburt.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 22, 2008, 09:57:36 AM
Old_Lion:  See you tomorrow?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2008, 10:16:05 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 22, 2008, 01:11:08 AM
The votes should all be in for all GSAC so now would be a good time for the GSAC Hoops Team to be announced. 

Whitfield and Watson look like the co-freshmen of the year to me.

But if the votes are already in, I guess Whitfield doesn't get any credit for his 23 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, and 2 steals last night?
http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/MensBasketball/m22108.htm

Yeah, I like your choice or words ... that's absurd.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2008, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 22, 2008, 09:57:36 AM
Old_Lion:  See you tomorrow?

I'll be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 22, 2008, 10:29:12 AM
Reguardless of the PC-MC outcome, PC is 2nd, LC is 3rd & HC is 4th.  I am not going to explain the GSAC tie break system.  At least this time around we don't have to go to a coin toss like the last time this happened. 

The GSAC votes don't have to be in yet but all the coaches have seen these guys play multiple games, so there is nothing earth shaking going to happen in the last week of the season to sway votes.  My votes are in.  I didn't mean to insinuate that everyone's votes were in.  I didn't need to wait and see Jeremy Pittman play again last night to know that he is a man among boys. 

Enough with the 8 man team soapbox routine.  I shared inside information and said that we are working on it, so just leave it at that.  Just trying to reinstill confidence in the GSAC fan base. 

Also Pat didn't do the math on our tournament chances, I did.  I didn't mean to insinuate that Pat was telling me and my team that we had no chance at the national tournament. 

That is a shame about Fisk.  In the big picture it is better to lose athletics than accredidation so hopefully they can take care of the more important aspects of running an american institution.  I miss seeing Dr. Larry Glover each season.  He was good guy. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2008, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 22, 2008, 10:29:12 AM
Enough with the 8 man team soapbox routine.  I shared inside information and said that we are working on it, so just leave it at that.  Just trying to reinstill confidence in the GSAC fan base. 

Coach,

As I've said before, I always appreciate your candor and your insights ...

But, believe me, acknowledging the absurdity of picking 8 guys ... while implying that it is a problem that can't be corrected in about 2 minutes, give or take a minute ... well, that reinstills no confidence at all.

QuoteSpeaking of which, we all know that having 8 on an all conference team is absurd but it is an equity thing that we are trying to fix.  It won't be this year though.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 02:44:06 PM
If there are bylaws, then it requires a meeting and a vote and is likely something that would apply to all sports in the league, so it's not just a simple thing. Men's basketball is not the only sport the GSAC has to worry about.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on February 23, 2008, 07:15:38 PM
After viewing the assault today on Piedmont, this may be the most on the floor cohesive team in MC History. They assert offensive and defensive pressure and if you don't have the horses watch out for the stampede. I would say that this is Lamberts best coaching job but as an ole dog I remember when he had no players, ran the flex, power triangle and beat good teams 50-47. If you read this post, when the Scots play at home in the NCAA's bring an old teammate and sit behind the opposing bench and yell so loud that you make Jack Roberts blush. Great effort!

Big Dog
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 23, 2008, 08:32:30 PM
Where was Baldwin?  Good game by the scots against an undersized Peidmont.  I love to watch eryk watson play.  I don't care what you say he is all-GSAC worthy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 23, 2008, 10:32:26 PM
Baldwin's back locked up on him following Wed's game. (he scored 34 I think in his senior night)
Its not 100 percent he will be back for GSAC Tourney but I suspect if there's any way he can be productive even in pain that he will play Fri at 3 pm
As weird as it is to say, I think Piedmont as a tough match up for the Scots without him. The drive pass to another driving guard rather than over to Baldwin certainly worked wonders early when MC trailed 15-7. Orr and Hernandez had decent scoring nights but defensively those little guys were cutting away from them at will most of the first half.
It was a nice senior day, but its been so long since maryville has faced a really good team that I wonder if they can amp back up the concentration and intensity they'll need in the NCAAs.

So rather than argue player honors, who does or does not deserve a 3x5 plaque saying all-GSAC, argue this,: IF MC takes two 20-point wins at the GSAC tourney do they deserve to be a host site? And more importantly what are the chances they would if Centre wins its way through its tourney? Could both be hosts?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2008, 02:51:39 AM
Doesn't matter if Maryville wins by 20 or 1, as long as it wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 24, 2008, 09:11:03 AM
Do you think they will get to host Pat?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 24, 2008, 11:27:11 AM
Here is Marcus' news piece about the MC-Piedmont game.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080224/SPORTS/738961876

I missed seeing Baldwin play.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 24, 2008, 11:28:58 AM
Here is another Marcus article about the MC seniors.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080224/SPORTS/976542225
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2008, 11:06:04 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 24, 2008, 09:11:03 AM
Do you think they will get to host Pat?

I think Centre and Guilford are on the fast track to host in the South, but it's always possible a third South team could host as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 25, 2008, 12:10:23 PM
A shout out to our 3 seniors who have been with us for 4 years ... Baldwin, Green and Parker.

Now that the regular season is done, I think it's a good time to recognize what these guys have accomplished over the last 4 years. They have put up some impressive #s ...

           Baldwin   Green    Parker
Games        100    101       101
Started        81      98         53
Minutes    2757   3074      1817
Points      2079     896       442
Rebounds   667     271       210
Assists       119     613      218
Steals        139     212        90

Baldwin's both prolific and efficient scoring, especially this year, has been well documented and highly acclaimed, justifiably so. Everyone has always been so focused on his scoring and rebounding, that I think his defensive efforts, particularly drawing charges, have been largely overlooked. There is no doubt, what he has been able to accomplish this year, with every opponent focusing primarily on containing him, has been truly remarkable.

Green has led the gsac in assists for 4 years (nationally, has been ranked 4th, 43rd, 10th, and 13th), is currently the gsac steals leader ... and I believe he has been in the top 2 or 3 in steals all 4 years. Even though he has always been a pass-first PG,  he will close out his career right at 900 points.  But his greatest value has been that, from day one, he has been a synergy guy ... to borrow Reggie Jackson's phrase ... "the straw that stirs the drink".

Wesley "The Beast" Parker (a nickname he earned after putting up a couple of double figures rebounding games)  ... Without question, no one in the gsac has improved as much over their career as Parker has. After spending his first 2 seasons as a gritty, back-up PG ... he has blossomed into a well-rounded, complete player these last two years. In fact, he has been our 2nd leading rebounder this season ... not bad for a former PG.

AND ... a special honorable mention to our 4th senior, Branden Mayweather. Unfortunately, he has only been with us for 2 years. But like the other 3 guys, Mayweather has been a key contributor, is a great guy, and will be sorely missed.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2008, 12:23:38 PM
Those Lions have been fun to watch in Murvul.  Has Mayweather always been able to shoot like he did for a few minutes Saturday?  I do not remember that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 25, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 25, 2008, 12:23:38 PM
Those Lions have been fun to watch in Murvul.  Has Mayweather always been able to shoot like he did for a few minutes Saturday?  I do not remember that.

Branden has always been a good shooter ... and he did have quite a hot streak during the 2nd half Saturday. Here's hoping he can keep that stroke going for a couple of more games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 25, 2008, 02:42:58 PM
The Scots are rolling!! Best Season in RDL tenure!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2008, 09:55:40 AM
I have heard that Maryville has applied for membership in the USA South without going as an intact conference!

That is going to blow up the GSAC!  NO AQ for the women!

Now we understand Randy Lambert's resignation!  He was going to take his team and go to the USA South!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 26, 2008, 10:30:36 AM
Ralph:  Why would Lambert need to resign as AD for MC to apply to the USASouth?  And he is still AD now.

Does your information source know whether other GSAC teams and/or the conference as a whole also has applied or will?  Can a conference as an entity apply, or is it always discrete institutions?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2008, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 26, 2008, 10:30:36 AM
Ralph:  Why would Lambert need to resign as AD for MC to apply to the USASouth?  And he is still AD now.

Does your information source know whether other GSAC teams and/or the conference as a whole also has applied or will?  Can a conference as an entity apply, or is it always discrete institutions?
I have only heard about Maryville for sure.  I would have expected more "noise" if the GSAC were seeking a full merger.

I also wonder if they would take a travel partner (?Piedmont?) with them.  That would provide some protection in other sports to the USA South if CNU and Shenandoah left.

Strategically, LaGrange and Huntingdon on the men are vulnerable, if they don't have the GSAC.  Even Agnes Scott, Spelman and Wesleyan need the GSAC.  Access to the playoffs is critical.  IMHO, everyone in the GSAC needs to hang together.  They can function as a division inside the USA South, if that is the alternative to having their own conference.

The way that conferences are being formed, it will be impossible to get the single Pool B bid that is left after the consolidation takes place.  (See my research and postings on Pool B.)

I know that travel is a concern for Shenandoah and CNU, but Shenandoah wants to be in the ODAC.  Might the addition of  Maryville and Piedmont as another trip each year push Shenandoah even harder to find another conference that is closer?  Like the ODAC?  Or one of the MAC's? The PennAC? The Capital AC? Is CNU enthusiastic about that trip to Maryville and Demorest in each sport every year if they play double round-robin?

I know that the USA South is heavy on women's teams.  Salem (Winston-Salem NC)  is exploring conferences.  The USA South already has 10 women's teams.  That is a challenge.

The Mid-Atlantic shuffle is not over.  Wesley is screaming about the challenge to find football games in October and November.  That is when you need conference games.  Wesley plus Salisbury in the Capital AC need football teams.  We still have reports of Villa Julie exploring football.  I don't know when the "tipping point" occurs on Capital AC adding football.  (Frostburg would line up as an affiliate instantly.)


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 26, 2008, 02:33:16 PM
It's a challenge, isn't it?  But I'd think that Maryville would have tried to get the other GSAC schools together on this and if that did not happen, I would think it is because the other schools do not want to do it.  There is nothing apparent to me that would lead Maryville to want to dis the rest of the league.  Am I missing something?  (that happens pretty regularly....)  I am sure the AQ is important to the Maryville programs besides men's basketball but it must also be important for the other GSAC schools and their various teams.

It is a long trip to CNU and SU from Maryville (also pretty far to Methodist and NCW) and according to a link on the USASouth board lately, CNU's academic standards have gone up to the point that they are having recruiting trouble as compared to their own past. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2008, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 26, 2008, 02:33:16 PM
It's a challenge, isn't it?  But I'd think that Maryville would have tried to get the other GSAC schools together on this and if that did not happen, I would think it is because the other schools do not want to do it.  There is nothing apparent to me that would lead Maryville to want to dis the rest of the league.  Am I missing something?  (that happens pretty regularly....)  I am sure the AQ is important to the Maryville programs besides men's basketball but it must also be important for the other GSAC schools and their various teams.

It is a long trip to CNU and SU from Maryville (also pretty far to Methodist and NCW) and according to a link on the USASouth board lately, CNU's academic standards have gone up to the point that they are having recruiting trouble as compared to their own past. 
We will see how this plays out!  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 26, 2008, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 26, 2008, 02:33:16 PM
It's a challenge, isn't it?  But I'd think that Maryville would have tried to get the other GSAC schools together on this and if that did not happen, I would think it is because the other schools do not want to do it.  There is nothing apparent to me that would lead Maryville to want to dis the rest of the league.  Am I missing something?  (that happens pretty regularly....)  I am sure the AQ is important to the Maryville programs besides men's basketball but it must also be important for the other GSAC schools and their various teams.

It is a long trip to CNU and SU from Maryville (also pretty far to Methodist and NCW) and according to a link on the USASouth board lately, CNU's academic standards have gone up to the point that they are having recruiting trouble as compared to their own past. 


     I haven't been following this discussion that closely so may be way off here. Any chance CNU wants in the ODAC? Trible is a Hampden-Sydney alum. Talked to a friend of mine this AM from the beach area. He said the average SAT scores at CNU have risen in the last few years from about 1000 to 1200. That my friends will eliminate a few blue chippers.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 26, 2008, 03:53:06 PM
My own little birdies are telling me that Piedmont applied to the USA South at the same time but has run into some sort of snag that has stalled if not killed the application. It'll take a little digging but I think this will all come out soon and I doubt it was done behind the conference's back. LaGrange and Huntingdon have 1. a lot farther road distance (crow flies may work for NCAA but lets be realistic about time in a bus seat here) and 2. their football commitments show they will travel but are going the wrong direction NW versus NE) to make it as sweet a deal. Ralph I think you floated out a plan for the women's side of things as a super conference at one point that not only made sense in north and south division terms but also kept the women playing most of their conference sked the way it currently stands.

I think there are other reasons for the RDL departure as AD. I don't discount that he might want to devote all his time to coaching the next four seasons with Wes now verbally committed. Sounds like Corey Welch (WB) has also made the verbal for what its worth in D3.

I kinda like the mental image of having Wes, Watson, Orr, Shumate and Laverdiere against a full court press next season. To quote Anthony Edwards in the classic 80s movie "Its time to turn and burn" 8)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2008, 04:10:46 PM
Wes is a great player, but he is not a burner.  He can shoot the lights out and there is no way I would have watson and jared on the floor at the same time.  I have not been impressed with jared lately.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 26, 2008, 04:15:38 PM
First, congratulations to Jake Baldwin for being nominated for the Jostens award.  That's great for him, Piedmont, and the GSAC.

Second, Battered, what else do you know about commitments to the Scots?  RDL said on the radio he had six commitments after the Piedmont game and maybe a couple of more close.  He also said he wanted Eryk at wing, not point, and thus needed to sign someone to play point, I assumed to help Jared. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2008, 06:34:46 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on February 26, 2008, 03:53:06 PM
My own little birdies are telling me that Piedmont applied to the USA South at the same time but has run into some sort of snag that has stalled if not killed the application. It'll take a little digging but I think this will all come out soon and I doubt it was done behind the conference's back. LaGrange and Huntingdon have 1. a lot farther road distance (crow flies may work for NCAA but lets be realistic about time in a bus seat here) and 2. their football commitments show they will travel but are going the wrong direction NW versus NE) to make it as sweet a deal. Ralph I think you floated out a plan for the women's side of things as a super conference at one point that not only made sense in north and south division terms but also kept the women playing most of their conference sked the way it currently stands.

I think there are other reasons for the RDL departure as AD. I don't discount that he might want to devote all his time to coaching the next four seasons with Wes now verbally committed. Sounds like Corey Welch (WB) has also made the verbal for what its worth in D3.

I kinda like the mental image of having Wes, Watson, Orr, Shumate and Laverdiere against a full court press next season. To quote Anthony Edwards in the classic 80s movie "Its time to turn and burn" 8)
Bard, with all of the shuffling that has happened around the country, I can see some logical reasons for what has happened, (but I don't understand all of the reasons that some things did and the inter-personal issues that are still present!)

With respect to Huntingdon and LaGrange, the Illini-Badger Football Conference (IBFC) dissolved after the 2007 season because the Northern Illinois-Iowa Conference and Lake Michigan Conference had merged to form the Northern Athletics Conference.  The Northern Athletics Conference now has enough members to get their own Pool A football bid (whenever that happens...2008 at the earliest, 2010 at the most predictable.)

The dissolution of the IBFC freed up some Saint Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC) members who had been in the IBFC.  Other SLIAC members had been participating with members of the Upper Midwest Athletic Conference (UMAC).  Those continuing discussions in the UMAC fell apart and the SLIAC members could go back home.  The SLIAC has 6 football playing "core" members. By adding two affiliates (Huntingdon and LaGrange), the SLIAC can get a Pool A bid, probably in 2010.

A team can be a member of one conference that sponsors a sport and yet participate in another conference.  Liberty League member Hamilton does not compete in the Liberty League in football, but rather the NESCAC. Since tentative schedules for two years have probably been made up for the SLIAC, this gives the SLIAC two years to earn their AQ, thanks to Huntingdon and LaGrange.  HC and LaGrange will do well in that conference.

The USA South could acquire the GSAC, permit those those two (HC and LC) to stay in the SLIAC for football, and continue with its current 8 team USA South football format.   The SLIAC gets its AQ, the northern schools of the USA South don't have the football travel obligations to Montgomery and LaGrange, and life goes on.  The USA South operates under a divisional format.

The remaining members of the Upper Midwest Athletic Conference (Crown, Martin Luther, Minn Morris, Northwestern and St. Scholastica (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2006/10)), of whom some are finishing provisional status, now needs to grow its conference.  Whatever they do in the next 2-4 years will be interesting.  (The predecessor to the ASC, the Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association -- TIAA played double round robin when it was a 6-team conference.)

I think that we will see some movement in the mid-Atlantic.  On one level, the "D-IV's" may pull out, but I don't think that affects the USA South, the Capital AC, the GSAC, the even the MAC.  If the ODAC goes to D-IV then okay, but that might be the time that Shenandoah leaves the USA South on the premise of going to D-IV.

As I have looked around that region, the MAC Commonwealth is still one team short of an AQ in multiple sports by 2009-10.  Who do they get?  I don't know whether York PA (from the Capital AC) is candidate, but they are northernmost.  (The Commonwealth does not need a football playing team)  Wesley and Salisbury offer football among the Capital teams.  Villa Julie (Capital AC) is looking at football.  They need a fourth core member before they can go for affiliates.  If York moves, is CNU an attractive "replacement" towards a move to football in the Capital AC?  Is travel in the Capital AC easier for CNU than to Maryville TN and Demorest GA for baseball, soccer, basketball, volleyball, softball, tennis? I can imagine that teams north of Washington, DC may not want to travel south of DC, but what if football becomes a focus of the Capital Athletic Conference?  How much does the USA South love its public school member, CNU?  What does CNU do as it grows?

By 2010 or 2011, the USA South might be needing additional members.  I wonder if the SLIAC will re-evaluate their relationship with Huntingdon and LaGrange when they have the AQ.  Since football is used to add male enrollment and to help with the male:female ratio, other schools may choose to add football.  What if the UMAC schools re-propose a divisional alignment with the SLIAC to get the AQ?  Swapping the UMAC schools and releasing Huntingdon and LaGrange back to the USA South would preserve the AQ all-around, especially if Shenandoah has left the USA South.

A lot of this is driven by the AQ, and by football (male:female student ratios) and D-IV.  I see that conferences can protect themselves from decisions by one school by getting larger.  That is why the ASC at 15-schools has not split into two conferences.  The "split ASC" is just too vulnerable to the actions of one school, e.g., the decisions by University of Dallas to leave in 2001 and Austin College to leave in 2006.

The GSAC can function as the Southern Division.  It slightly dilutes the AQ for the northern schools, but it helps to protect  the men as I have stated.  For now, the North would have 10 women's teams and 7 GSAC teams in the South.  Under the speculation that I have outlined, losing a CNU and a Shenandoah would leave it a 8 and 7.

As for other schools, Fisk and Stillman have gone.  Oglethorpe is happy in the SCAC.  The moratorium's lifting will see if someone like Berry GA or Covenant TN in Lookout Mountain, GA want to join.

That is a long answer, but I think that it summarizes the state of the Southeast as I see it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 26, 2008, 08:54:43 PM
Is all this going to effect my BBQ run to LaGrange?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2008, 11:32:06 PM
more than likely ScotsFan
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 12:14:33 AM
Propsective DIII Members from Northwest Georgia (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/governance/division_III/Working_Group_Membership_Issues/May_31/sup_6.htm)

Please refer to this document that was submitted with the D-III/D-IV information from the working group about prospective future members from the NAIA.

Both are Northwest Georgia.  Who do they describe?  An NAIA-1 (Berry?  It mentions equestrian. (http://www2.berry.edu/athletics/)) And an NAIA-2.  Covenant? 966 students (http://www.covenant.edu/scotstuff/ataglance.php).

(You also see Centenary College, in Shreveport from D-1.  They are going to the SCAC if they move up to D-III!)

If you add those two schools to the GSAC, you have a 6-team division.  Montreat NC is also mentioned in another portion of the documents as a possible school which has the criteria to join D-III.  There is your 7th!

Montreat College, see page 182 (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/governance/division_III/Working_Group_Membership_Issues/May_31/sup_b.pdf).

I think (at least it is my hope) that aggressive leadership in the GSAC can save the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2008, 10:53:10 AM
Congratulations to Jake and Sam ... also to Nikki, Sheena, and Coach Childs-Purdy ... you all have represented us well.
http://www.greatsouth.org/07-08%20News/2_26_08_MBB_All-Conf.htm

Now, to the dark side ...

Quote from: coachwgh on February 22, 2008, 10:29:12 AM
Enough with the 8 man team soapbox routine.

No, apparently, not nearly enough.

Nice job by the "gsac brain trust" of once again naming an all-conference team by essentially listing the top scorers ...   ::) wow, deep thinkers ... they have once again demonstrated their lack of appreciation for anything that goes on on the floor other than scoring ... sad ... I wish I could say I was surprised ... disappointed again, but not surprised ...  >:(

I understand that, apparently, as is evidenced by the appalling lack of insight and common sense demonstrated, there were a majority of people involved who couldn't count to 21 without getting naked ...

But, I can't understand not being able to get past 8 ...

It has been said that every dark cloud has it's silver lining ...  I am not glad that this season will soon be coming to an end.  I enjoy watching our great guys compete too much to be happy about that. However, the "silver lining" for me is that I will no longer have to be concerned with the absurd* decisions of this Mickey Mouse organization (great south ... how ironic) or with the ineptitude sitting at the Huntingdon scorer's table.

Quote from: coachwgh on February 22, 2008, 01:11:08 AM
Speaking of which, we all know that having 8 on an all conference team is absurd but it is an equity thing that we are trying to fix.  It won't be this year though.

* Thanks for supplying an appropriate word, Coach Haynes. "Absurd" sounds so much more articulate than "chicken-s**t", which is the other word that comes to mind.  Also, a couple of acronyms that originated in the military (FUBAR & SNAFU) would be more than appropriate in any discussions of the gsac's process and selection criteria.
 

Quote from: coachwgh on February 22, 2008, 10:29:12 AM
I shared inside information and said that we are working on it, so just leave it at that.  Just trying to reinstill confidence in the GSAC fan base.

Good luck with that project!  And I believe the appropriate word is instill ... not reinstill. It would be absurd to imply that confidence was ever there previously ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2008, 05:25:06 PM
yeah i was very very surprised when i saw jake green was not all gsac!!!!!!!!!
wow
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 27, 2008, 05:58:31 PM
sounds like somebody cares more about postseason awards than the games being played.  NO big deal but I would personally take any of the three MC players over green in a heartbeat...no offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 27, 2008, 06:23:38 PM
Apparently, winning is bad these days.  I am curious to see if Maryville WINS the GSAC tournament will they fall out of the top 8 in the South region rankings?  By the way, I thought Bowers had a strong case to be Co-MVP with Jake Baldwin.  After I saw the All-Conference team, I saw Bowers over in the gym working on his game.  To me, that said it all.  He just wants to lead his team to Salem.  I can't wait to arrive in Demorest!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2008, 06:31:54 PM
Grubb,

Surprised? Maybe that's because you are a former POY who has a little insight into the value a true PG brings to the table.

The selectors really s/b more honest and just call it the all-scoring team. Rule of thumb in the gsac ... if you ain't one of the top scorers ... you ain't s**t!

Apparently accomplishments in other areas mean nothing. I apologize for the cut and paste below ... for some reason I can't get links to specific areas of the ncaa.org site to work.

Jake Green's national rankings from ncaa.org:

Prior years:
Yearly National Rankings 
Year        Category          Rank  Actual  National Leader  Actual 
2006-07  Assists Per Game  10  6.3  David Arseneault , Grinnell  8.5 
2005-06  Assists Per Game  43  5.0  David Arseneault , Grinnell  8.6 
2004-05  Steals Per Game  50  2.3  Keith Darden , Concordia-Austin  3.8 
2004-05  Assists Per Game  4  7.1  John Ancrum , Elms  8.4   

This year:
Assists Per Game (500 ranked)  16th  5.7
Steals Per Game (500 ranked)  27th  2.6

Personally, I think it is an embarrassment to the gsac that a player could be the conference leader in assists for 4 straight years and never make an all conference team. And on top of that, be the conference leader in steals, as well ... IMHO, it's not a reflection of the player's true value ... but it says a heck of a lot about the mind sets of the people making the selections.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on February 27, 2008, 06:23:38 PM
Apparently, winning is bad these days.  I am curious to see if Maryville WINS the GSAC tournament will they fall out of the top 8 in the South region rankings? 

Doubtful, but we'll never know.  Today was the last public regional rankings; selection is based on rankings after all conference tourneys, but they are not aired publicly.

But, relax - Murvul is an absolute lock for a pool B, win or lose. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2008, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 27, 2008, 05:58:31 PM
sounds like somebody cares more about postseason awards than the games being played.  NO big deal but I would personally take any of the three MC players over green in a heartbeat...no offense.

Spence,

That's an awfully silly and unnecessary statement ... no offense ... probably not worthy of a response. But hey, that's never stopped me before.   :)

You don't think it's possible to care about both?  I can think about one without losing the capacity to care about the other. I can even go back and forth ...  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 27, 2008, 07:00:56 PM
Its the constrictions of a team chosen by coaches in a four team league.

It appears I may have misworded that last post. I shouldn't say apply as there are hoops to jump through before you can apply to a conference. So lets say the flirting stage may have begun.
Have to wait to May to see if it goes anywhere. Thats when the USAC's next big meeting of ADS and Presidents takes place. I don't believe Maryville has ever gone before, be interesting to see if they come up with a football issue as a reason to attend this time ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2008, 11:27:57 PM
Jake Green ought to be all GSAC.  Last year, too.  And not to replace any one of the other four. 

I appreciate Ralph's work on the conference alignments, although I do not see that time allows for the salvation of the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 11:54:33 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 27, 2008, 11:27:57 PM
I appreciate Ralph's work on the conference alignments, although I do not see that time allows for the salvation of the GSAC.
Thanks for the kind words, scottiedoug.  Good luck to Murvul in the playoffs!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 27, 2008, 11:27:57 PM
Jake Green ought to be all GSAC.  Last year, too. 

Scottie, I appreciate your sentiments. From the comments I'm hearing, you are apparently one of many who are dismayed by his omission ... again.

Frankly, I'm having difficulty imagining the thought processes that occurred in that meeting that could have yielded such results.   :o  Word on the street is that, even as we speak, a team of investigative reporters is working feverishly to get to the bottom of this.    :D  Stay tuned ...

All kidding aside ...

Let me be clear ... I don't have a problem with anyone who made it ... I think they were all worthy. I just don't understand how you leave off the best PG in the league ... repeatedly.  ???

I just don't understand how they could arrive at such FUBAR results, again. I mean come on ... only 8 guys, again ... scorers only, again. 

Only a couple of possible answers come to mind ... and I don't like either one of them. Seems to me it either has to be lack of insight or lack of caring. If I had to choose one of the two, I guess I'd have to go with apathy. Because frankly, I just can't believe that collectively, a group of guys who do basketball for a living could actually be that un insightful.

Either way, it's just unfortunate that the whole thing wasn't handled more responsibly ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 28, 2008, 11:17:15 AM
i would have to agree a great point guard makes a huge difference and it is apparent the best pg in the league got left off of the all conference team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 11:38:10 AM
This just in ... a crack team of investigative reporters have gained access to the minutes of the meeting of the "gsac brain trust" where the all-conference selections were made. 
This explains a lot.
Enjoy.
(Note: Names have been omitted to protect the apathetic.)


All right, let's get down to business. We'll select 8 guys ...

Wait ... I thought we talked about this ... why only 8 guys?

Because we have only 4 teams.

And that is relevant how?

Pay attention boy... I want to go to lunch ... 4 teams, 8 guys, 2 per team ...

But we picked 3 from Murvul last year.

That's because Murvul finished first.

So 2 per team is not really the criteria? I thought we were trying to fix this ...

Listen, you're thinking too much ... at this rate, we'll never beat the lunch crowd ...

And another thing, no other conference counts their # of teams and then multiplies by 2. Isn't that sort of arbitrary, in fact, absurd? I don't know about you guys, but I don't like looking like I need to make a trip to Oz to see if I can get a brain ...

Jeez, you're busting my balls here ...

And besides, they don't do that multiply the number of teams by 2 crap on the women's side ...

Yeah, but they are just girls. Everybody knows girls ain't good at math.

Huh?

Never mind. Can we just move on here?

But hold up ... picking 8 is just silly. It's has no reasonable basis in logic. In fact, it makes us seem sort of  ... I don't know, simple minded ... and stubborn.  I mean, we all know that having only 8 on an all conference team is absurd. Who does that, seriously?  Now it's just going to seem like we aren't men enough to admit we made a mistake last year and fix it. Think about it ... all other conferences pick their teams in increments of 5 ...

Increments? What's the heck is an increment?

Just listen ... you know, groups of 5 ... like we play, five guys per team.  First team, second team, etc. ... why can't we just do it like all the other conferences?

We ain't like other conferences.

You can say that again.

We ain't like other conferences.

No, I didn't mean ... never mind ...

I'm starving here ... can we move on?

OK, OK ... we pick 8. Let's discuss the criteria we should be considering ...

Son, you making this way too complicated ... the rest is easy ... we just print out the list of top scorers ...

Hold up, this is important ... shouldn't we seriously be trying to recognize the guys who have made the most significant contributions ... in all aspects of the game?

Ass what? Jeez boy! You and all your thinking! You are giving me a serious headache. Just listen ... it don't take no thinking to finish this up. It's simple ... we just go down the list till we hit the 3rd Murvul guy.
 
1.Jake Baldwin-PCM.........    24  257   28  131  673  28.0
2.Demetris Render-LCM......    24  179   11  142  511  21.3
3.Jeremy Pittman-HCM.......    25  159   12   86  416  16.6
4.Alex Bowers-MCM..........    24  130   46   73  379  15.8
5.Joe Cromwell-LCM.........    24  151   15   44  361  15.0
6.Samuel Coppage-PCM.......    25  113   37   86  349  14.0
7.Michael Rubio-PCM........    24   92   46   89  319  13.3
8.Eryk Watson-MCM..........    24   98   20   77  293  12.2
9.Caleb Smallwood-LCM......    24  100   23   63  286  11.9
10.Christopher Orr-MCM......    24  120    0   25  265  11.0

That gives us Bowers, Watson, and Orr.  Piedmont was 2nd, so we start back at the top and get Baldwin and Coppage ...

But shouldn't we be considering ...

Will you shut up?  I ain't finished. Next we get the top 2 from LaGrange ... Render and Cromwell. Then we pick 1 from the last place team, that'd be Pittman, and we're done. See it's simple if you'd just quit thinking so much.

Can't we just slow down for a minute and give this a little thoughtful consideration? I know all the casual fan pays attention to  is scoring ... but we're supposed to be basketball guys with a little more insight into the subtleties of the game ... Shouldn't we be considering ... defense, rebounding, assists, steals, intangibles ....

Is all that crap on the scoreboard? Let's go ... I'm hungry.

Just wait a minute. We are talking about recognizing a lot of effort here. Guys have put their hearts and souls into this. What about considering the intangibles ... leadership, making your teammates better, quarterbacking the team ...

Quarterbacking? Son, this is a basketball meeting ...


Oh never mind ... I'm whizzing in the wind here and I'm getting soaked. Let's go eat.

Now you're talking. See, it ain't so hard when you just quit thinking so much. I never could understand all the fuss about agonizing over leaving off the guys who were right on the cusp of making it ... you just pick the top scorers ... done, no thinking required.  What the heck is a cusp, anyway?

Never mind. Let's go eat.

That concludes the official transcript. Let the record show that the other members of the committee were apparently sitting quietly with their thumbs firmly up ...  Well, you get the picture.    ;)



Quote for the day:
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it.
   - Henry Ford -
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 28, 2008, 01:22:11 PM
All I care about is the five guys who walk off the floor with the GSAC trophy. In any case, Green has been a solid PG since his freshmen year. Unfortunately, life is not always fair.

:-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 01:48:01 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 11:38:10 AM
Just listen ... you know, groups of 5 ... like we play, five guys per team.  First team, second team, etc. ... why can't we just do it like all the other conferences?

We ain't like other conferences.

You can say that again.

We ain't like other conferences.

Indeed, other conferences don't have 2.0 players per team on their All-Conference team either. That would be like having an All-SCAC team of 20 players.

All the children are above average, after all.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 01:48:01 PM

Indeed, other conferences don't have 2.0 players per team on their All-Conference team either. That would be like having an All-SCAC team of 20 players.

If the SCAC wanted to pick a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th team, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unheard off.
Some even pick a few honorable mentions ...

For example:
Here's 21, 28 including honorable mention ...
http://gomarquette.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030507aad.html

But I'm not aware of any conferences who use the "times 2 factor" ... maybe you are. I just don't see the downside of picking a 1st and 2nd team ... and recognizing a couple more guys. Maybe you do ...



QuoteAll the children are above average, after all.

Nice comment.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on February 28, 2008, 01:22:11 PM
Unfortunately, life is not always fair.

:-\

No argument on that point.

I just hope for logical and reasonable ... I'm frequently disappointed.   ;)

But I feel we should pick our battles and all speak up from time to time on things we feel are particularly absurd.
My hope is that just maybe people can be made to stop and reconsider things sometimes ... nothing ventured, nothing gained ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 01:48:01 PM

Indeed, other conferences don't have 2.0 players per team on their All-Conference team either. That would be like having an All-SCAC team of 20 players.

If the SCAC wanted to pick a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th team, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unheard off.
Some even pick a few honorable mentions ...

For example:
Here's 21, 28 including honorable mention ...
http://gomarquette.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030507aad.html

Don;t know if you're aware, but the Big East has 16 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 01:48:01 PM

Indeed, other conferences don't have 2.0 players per team on their All-Conference team either. That would be like having an All-SCAC team of 20 players.

If the SCAC wanted to pick a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th team, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unheard off.
Some even pick a few honorable mentions ...

For example:
Here's 21, 28 including honorable mention ...
http://gomarquette.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030507aad.html

But I'm not aware of any conferences who use the "times 2 factor" ... maybe you are. I just don't see the downside of picking a 1st and 2nd team ... and recognizing a couple more guys. Maybe you do ...



QuoteAll the children are above average, after all.

Nice comment.  ::)


       OK.....now let me see. It is the GSAC all conference TEAM is is not? The sport is basketball is it not? There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.  :D  Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  :o The question should be how many T-E-A-M-S do you want to honor. Sure seems logical to me. Who gives a rats rear end that there are only 4 teams in the GSAC.  If two more honorees to make a full 1st and 2nd team are going to ruin the entire lot, then perhaps there should only be a 1st team.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
I just happen to think 10 players for four teams is not a very exclusive club. That's two and a half starters on every team getting in. What have you earned if you're on that team? You're better than half the starters on the average team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 03:44:52 PM
Don;t know if you're aware, but the Big East has 16 teams.

I'm aware ... I just don't care.

I don't buy into that "#of teams times 2" logic.  Except for the gsac and apparently, you ... I'm not aware of anyone who does.

Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 04:09:27 PM
       OK.....now let me see. It is the GSAC all conference TEAM is is not? The sport is basketball is it not? There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.  :D  Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  :o The question should be how many T-E-A-M-S do you want to honor. Sure seems logical to me. Who gives a rats rear end that there are only 4 teams in the GSAC.  If two more honorees to make a full 1st and 2nd team are going to ruin the entire lot, then perhaps there should only be a 1st team.  ::)

Finally ... a voice of reason in the wilderness!  Welcome, brother.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 05:20:53 PM
No, don't get me wrong -- I also think two is excessive. Unless your goal is to just reward anyone who's decent rather than the best of the best.

Six or seven first-teamers in eight-team conferences seems to be pretty normal in the rest of Division III.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 05:20:53 PM
Six or seven first-teamers in eight-team conferences seems to be pretty normal in the rest of Division III.

Aaaargh!

I'm tiring, allsky. You take this one ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
I just happen to think 10 players for four teams is not a very exclusive club. That's two and a half starters on every team getting in. What have you earned if you're on that team? You're better than half the starters on the average team.

     Point taken. The ODAC took 20  last year with 10 teams so their 40% is the same % as the GSAC's 8. Not sure how exclusive the 40% club is either.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
I just happen to think 10 players for four teams is not a very exclusive club. That's two and a half starters on every team getting in. What have you earned if you're on that team? You're better than half the starters on the average team.

     Point taken. The ODAC took 20  last year with 10 teams so their 40% is the same % as the GSAC's 8. Not sure how exclusive the 40% club is either.  ???

     Sorry OL....jumped right on your bandwagon and fell off the other side.   ;D  I suppose no matter how many you choose, there is always one more on the cusp. I don't suppose choosing 10 in the GSAC or 20 in the ODAC hurts anything if you are looking to honor solid performance. But if you are looking to pick the best of the best, then 40-50% seems a little watery I guess.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 04:09:27 PM

There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.  :D  Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  :o


All right, allsky. By introducing logic into this discussion, you taken things in a whole new direction ... I like it.

You touch on another interesting angle ... positions.

On a typical all star baseball team, do they select 5 outfielders, 2 first basemen, and 2 catchers on the 1st team? Of course not.

On a typical all star Tibetian Yak wrestling team, do they select 1 left Yaksman and 3 ball twisters? I don't think so ...

Hmmmm ... Well, maybe on each basketball T-E-A-M we select, we should pick 2 bigs, 2 wings, and a PG ...

Nah ... They'd never buy that ... makes way too much sense.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 05:45:23 PM
     Sorry OL....jumped right on your bandwagon and fell off the other side.   ;D 

No problem ... nice to have you passing through ...  :D Your logic was still sound.

QuoteI don't suppose choosing 10 in the GSAC or 20 in the ODAC hurts anything if you are looking to honor solid performance.

Bingo.  DIII guys work their asses off w/o scholarships, big crowds , or a lot of media recognition ... What's the harm in handing out a few atta boys at the end of the year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 05:57:03 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 05:45:23 PM
But if you are looking to pick the best of the best, then 40-50% seems a little watery I guess.  8)

Well picking a 1st and 2nd team should take care of that concern ... if it is a concern.

In fact, it would address it better than the "8 guy" method.    8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 28, 2008, 09:43:27 PM
I agree about Green. I'm not a Piedmont fan but every year I remember Green. He is very good and stands out among PGs.

Also I must say to Raul, sorry about your loss, but your decision not to play one of your top players because of an incident is most impressive to me. I knew you'd be a great coach and a coach that risks losing a big game like that but stands on principle is a very good coach. Your team got a huge message from your choice. Congratulations on a wonderful season as head coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 28, 2008, 10:22:49 PM
Old Lion, I am thinking you are stretching Green's value a little thin with some of your statements.  I will go ahead and give him the all-conference but I will fight you on the quote "the best point guard in the league."  If you would take green over Watson this year you are crazier than I thought?  Watson is an incredibly legit player and just stirs my drink a little more than someone who just is a good passer.  Watson is a leader who lead the scots to one of their all-time best records.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 10:54:17 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 28, 2008, 10:22:49 PM
Old Lion, I am thinking you are stretching Green's value a little thin with some of your statements.  I will go ahead and give him the all-conference but I will fight you on the quote "the best point guard in the league."  If you would take green over Watson this year you are crazier than I thought?  Watson is an incredibly legit player and just stirs my drink a little more than someone who just is a good passer.  Watson is a leader who lead the scots to one of their all-time best records.

Easy Spence.

There is a major flaw in your argument. Watson isn't a PG ... he's a combo guard who is athletic and talented enough to play there because that's what his team needs.  That's not just my opinion, I'm getting that info indirectly from RDL. If you'll look back a few pages, someone (Scottiedoug, I think) posted on here that RDL was looking for another PG for next year to help out Jared ... because Watson was really a wing and he wants to play him there next year.

So don't try to put (silly) words in my mouth and then call me crazy.  :D

I never said I'd take Green over Watson or anyone else. I simply said the he was the best PG in the league (I'll stand by that statement) and that it was an embarrassement for the gsac that a guy could lead it in assists for 4 straight seasons an never be named all-gasc. I'll stand by that statement, as well.

Just a passer? Green is leading the gsac in steals as well ... and he'll finish his career somewhere around 900 points.
A friendly bit of advice ... first, think and or research ... then type. You'll come across as much more credible.  ;)

I agree with your high assessment of Watson. Very talented kid and a nice family. I visited with them briefly when you guys played at Piedmont. I just wish Murvul hadn't recruited in Ga and that he was playing for us.

Are you coming to Demorest this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 29, 2008, 12:21:27 AM
The bags are packed...its time to invade Demorest!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 10:48:05 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 05:45:23 PM
     Sorry OL....jumped right on your bandwagon and fell off the other side.   ;D

No problem ... nice to have you passing through ...  :D Your logic was still sound.

QuoteI don't suppose choosing 10 in the GSAC or 20 in the ODAC hurts anything if you are looking to honor solid performance.

Bingo.  DIII guys work their asses off w/o scholarships, big crowds , or a lot of media recognition ... What's the harm in handing out a few atta boys at the end of the year?

What's the atta boy mean if everyone gets one?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 29, 2008, 11:08:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 10:48:05 AM
What's the atta boy mean if everyone gets one?

Pat,

Don't worry about it ... To paraphrase a popular expression, "It's an empathy thing, you wouldn't understand."

I'm guessing you don't have kids, haven't coached a lot of kids ... you just don't have a lot of empathy for kid's feelings. At least it appears that way.  It's just a concept you have a difficult time relating to. That's OK ... everyone is different. That's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors.

Why don't we just agree to "discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect."  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 02:54:25 PM
I have three kids and I've coached youth basketball and baseball. Any other assumptions? I just don't coddle grown men -- remember, that's what college students are.

I don't see where I am disrespecting you, sir -- I simply do not agree with your opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 29, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
I don't think you need to try to destroy my credibility.  I don't have any credibility anyway.  What I am trying to say is if I only have the spot of PG to fill and I have to pick green or watson there is no choice.  Yes we need another point guard if watson is going to play a 2 guard, because jared isn't that great.  I would also question your credibility as Green's father (maybe slightly biased).  I will stand by my statement that you have argued against so vehemently that this year Watson was the best point guard in the GSAC because that was his postition.  Him and jared never touched the floor at the same time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 01, 2008, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 29, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
What I am trying to say is if I only have the spot of PG to fill and I have to pick green or watson there is no choice. 

My bad Spence. I can see how you could have misunderstood me ... when I talk about pure PGs, I am talking about a specific skill set ... not only physical, but also a special approach to the game, a certain mindset. A lot of casual fans have no idea what I'm talking about ... you may be one of them. If so, next time you see Placares (sp?) ask him to explain it.

And I'll admit that's my bias. I have a real affinity for and respect for pure PGs. I have done a good bit of coaching over the years ... and I noticed one thing ... I was a much better coach, my teams just functioned better, whenever I had a pure PG on the floor.

The gsac has made it clear that not everyone shares my appreciation for the intangibles ... the synergy a pure PG brings to the table. In the last four years, there has been 3 very good ones in the gsac ... Raul Placares, Jake Green, and Landon Baize.

Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 29, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
I don't think you need to try to destroy my credibility.  I don't have any credibility anyway. 

Well that's a hard statement to argue with.  :D

You and I really don't disagree as much as we are just talking about different things. Trust me, Watson and Green would do quite well playing together in the same backcourt. I'd take them both in a heartbeat.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 01, 2008, 07:38:39 AM
It has been a long year and a long night and with my first child coming into the world sometime in the next 18 days, the days aren't going to get any shorter either.  It is bad enough to lose a game on the last possession but when it ends a season or for some a career, it makes it even tougher.  Now don't get me wrong we lost that game way before the last possession, but we again put ourselves in a one possession game on the road and you cannot do that with any kind of success.  Demetris Render leaves this league as one of the best scorers it has seen.  He has gone left 99% of his career and I can count on one hand the amount of times teams have been able to eliminate him from what we do.  That really sums up his life.  He is going to get things done no matter what you try to do to stop him.  Landon Baize played since Jan. 1 without an ACL in his knee.  I have questioned his size, his decisions and his manhood over the last four seasons but I never questioned his heart.  Roger McDowell has been a part of what we do for every single game of his career.  I have never met a tougher individual in my life.  When he comes back in the fall to finish his degree and walks that stage next May there will be tears in my eyes.  I don't really know what the expression "love you like a son" really feels like since I won't really know until it happens in the coming days but these three guys have given me some of the best practice a man could get on how to love like a father.

I hope the GSAC remains, if for no other reason than to keep the young men at LaGrange competing for something.  They deserve it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 01, 2008, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 01, 2008, 07:38:39 AM
Demetris Render ... Landon Baize ... Roger McDowell ...

The LaGrange seniors ... they have been great competitors. I have enjoyed watching them play and have appreciated the consistent effort and heart they've played with the last four years.

Attaboy guys!  Here's wishing you the best in your future endeavors!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on March 01, 2008, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 01, 2008, 07:38:39 AM
It has been a long year and a long night and with my first child coming into the world sometime in the next 18 days, the days aren't going to get any shorter either.  It is bad enough to lose a game on the last possession but when it ends a season or for some a career, it makes it even tougher.  Now don't get me wrong we lost that game way before the last possession, but we again put ourselves in a one possession game on the road and you cannot do that with any kind of success.  Demetris Render leaves this league as one of the best scorers it has seen.  He has gone left 99% of his career and I can count on one hand the amount of times teams have been able to eliminate him from what we do.  That really sums up his life.  He is going to get things done no matter what you try to do to stop him.  Landon Baize played since Jan. 1 without an ACL in his knee.  I have questioned his size, his decisions and his manhood over the last four seasons but I never questioned his heart.  Roger McDowell has been a part of what we do for every single game of his career.  I have never met a tougher individual in my life.  When he comes back in the fall to finish his degree and walks that stage next May there will be tears in my eyes.  I don't really know what the expression "love you like a son" really feels like since I won't really know until it happens in the coming days but these three guys have given me some of the best practice a man could get on how to love like a father.

I hope the GSAC remains, if for no other reason than to keep the young men at LaGrange competing for something.  They deserve it.

Wow. That was moving. There is nothing like being a parent but I will tell you that I believe the blood, sweat and tears (& love) a coach has for certain players is very much the same. A player never forgets how a good coach made a difference in their lives. A good coach is very much like a parent.
I wish your seniors the best.

Congratulations on becoming a father!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2008, 03:06:47 PM
Good work Scots.  Lets just hope that we don't get screwed by the selection comittee.  I heard we were simply to get "other teams in the tournament."  At least that is the word on the street. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 02, 2008, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 10:54:17 PM
I agree with your high assessment of Watson. Very talented kid and a nice family. I visited with them briefly when you guys played at Piedmont. I just wish Murvul hadn't recruited in Ga and that he was playing for us.

Nice call on Watson, Spence.  He had a very good tournament! And if the officials never call the way he uses that off arm and that big body an offensive foul ... then he is unstoppable.

I was proud off my Lions Saturday. We played your obviously physically superior team tough.  We missed a 3 late that could have tied it ... and frankly, I was both proud and surprised that we made it that close.

Good luck to Scots in the NCAAs.

Posted by: Spencer Beaty  Posted on: February 29, 2008, 04:33:23 pm   
QuoteI don't think you need to try to destroy my credibility.  I don't have any credibility anyway. 

With Watson winning the MVP of the gsac tourney ... you're credibility is soaring!  :o   :D


 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCforlife on March 02, 2008, 07:00:24 PM
Old Lion, why 15 posts (count em!!) because your son did not make all league? We (Mville) cannot wait to join a real conference. With all due respect, there is not much competition for us here, and your squad, as tough and small and feisty as they were, still had half of their wins against non NCAA teams ( never even heard of most of them, but they did include every Bible or Christian school in the south). Baldwin was a stud, but that is it. Your son was decent, but all league? 15 posts?! Give it a rest!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 02, 2008, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: MCforlife on March 02, 2008, 07:00:24 PM
Old Lion, why 15 posts (count em!!) because your son did not make all league? We (Mville) cannot wait to join a real conference. With all due respect, there is not much competition for us here, and your squad, as tough and small and feisty as they were, still had half of their wins against non NCAA teams ( never even heard of most of them, but they did include every Bible or Christian school in the south). Baldwin was a stud, but that is it. Your son was decent, but all league? 15 posts?! Give it a rest!

Gee, mcfl ... thanks for that contribution to the ongoing dialogue ... that was ... special ...

It did however, bring to mind a line from one of my favorite movies, Blazing Saddles. Maybe you remember it ... it's where the school marm was reading her letter she had written to the Governer ... she started off ...
To the Honorable William J LaPetomane: You sir, are the biggest a$$hole in the state!

Not sure why ... read your post ... that line just popped in my head.    :o  Thanks for reminding me of a funny line.  :D

I was also able to find another positive aspect to your post. It reminded me that if I'll just stay open minded and try hard enough ... I can find common ground with even the most negative and obnoxious among us ...

I agree ... the gsac is not much of a conference.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on March 02, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
OL,
While I often quietly disagree with your opinions, I have two comments:

1.  That is a good line for the sorry MC guy that posted above.

2.  Your GSAC conference call parody was very entertaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2008, 09:23:46 PM
Yeah MCforlife, you need to post with more class than mudslinging in order to occasionally sling a litte mud.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 02, 2008, 11:46:19 PM
Old_Lion:  Nobody authorized me to apologize for a fellow MC fan, but I do anyway.  I think it is ridiculous for the GSAC not to have five all conf. players and for Jake Green not to be one of them.  We all agree that the GSAC on the men's side in bb is not much of a league but that is no excuse for a newbie to act out and contribute to the correct impression that even scots fans occasionally can be short on class. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on March 03, 2008, 07:18:47 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 02, 2008, 11:46:19 PM
Old_Lion:  Nobody authorized me to apologize for a fellow MC fan, but I do anyway.  I think it is ridiculous for the GSAC not to have five all conf. players and for Jake Green not to be one of them.  We all agree that the GSAC on the men's side in bb is not much of a league but that is no excuse for a newbie to act out and contribute to the correct impression that even scots fans occasionally can be short on class. 

     OL.....as a former Fighting Scot living in VA with connections to the ODAC and USA South, I would be happy to see MC headed to VA more often. It has been nice in football to be able to catch them more than just on my annual pilgrimage to Honaker Field. The only thing better IMO, would be if they could rejoin the ODAC as it was back in the day. (not likely) I am of the biased opinion (as posted previously) that they never should have left.
     That being said, if in fact the move comes to past, I certainly hate to see the others suffer as a result. I was excited and hopeful that the GSAC would be absorbed into the USA South. I have family in the Atlanta area so it may even have been possible to expand my horizons and visit some schools that I haven't had the opportunity to see before.
     My hats off to you for keeping your cool in responding to MCFL's post. He/She is certainly entitled to their opinion but you can say things with a little more tact and class.  8)
     Haven't seen MC hoops since the famous H-SC game a few years back. I WILL be in Salem in 3 weeks if I have a reason to be. How about it Scots?
     GO SCOTS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 03, 2008, 08:53:21 AM
To all my Murvul friends, I appreciate the kind words.

Good luck in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 03, 2008, 01:14:38 PM
Scots do it again! Watson is special! Hopefully we get to host. Great season again by RDL's gang!

Jake was a good point guard and should have been on the All GSAC team. Note to old lion: Those who know basketball, know that Jake was class act and was a 1st Teamer!

Good luck to all in the off-season!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 03, 2008, 01:20:39 PM
Scots at Millsaps with a possible rematch with Mary hardin baylor in the second round.

NCAA committee,
could we please go somewhere besides jackson MS for the tournament.  It is a great town, but we go every year.  A change of scenery would be nice.
thanks
The Grubby One

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 03, 2008, 02:38:42 PM
What's the chances of getting a big plate of mudbugs in Jackson? Fontbonne will have a fan charter bus arriving on Friday so there will be a Griffin contingent. Does Jackson turn out for these kind of events?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 03, 2008, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on March 03, 2008, 01:14:38 PM
Scots do it again! Watson is special! Hopefully we get to host. Great season again by RDL's gang!

Jake was a good point guard and should have been on the All GSAC team. Note to old lion: Those who know basketball, know that Jake was class act and was a 1st Teamer!

Good luck to all in the off-season!

Killer,

Good to hear from you ... appreciate your comments.

I agree whole heartedly. To me, the irony of that statement is astounding ... considering that, apparently, the selections were made by coaches. Wow ... that is an unsettling thought.   ???

You pure PGs have to stick together ... you are a rare and special breed.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 07:52:54 PM
I enjoyed Coach Lambert's interview on Hoopsville.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 03, 2008, 09:46:16 PM
Wow seems like we got a tough section of the bracket.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 04, 2008, 10:37:02 AM
Here is the DailyTimes' article today about the Scots' trip to Jackson:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080304/SPORTS/698136149
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 04, 2008, 07:05:16 PM
I think it is kinda crazy that three conference champions are in the same pod and that Centre and Millsaps both host.  I guess we gotta beat 'em eventually.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2008, 08:13:39 PM
Being conference champions are about the only thing Fontbonne has in common with Mary Hardin-Baylor and Millsaps, Spencer.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 04, 2008, 08:42:15 PM
Well that doesn't make me feel any better considering we won't even play Frontbonne cause they will lost to MHB.  The Scots gotta keep their streak of advancing to the second round alive.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 04, 2008, 10:35:27 PM
Now that I've arrived back after taking a detour to Fla. post GSAC tourney (No I didn't get that lost leaving Demorest it was planned)

I was impressed Piedmont had as many students as they did at the tourney as spring break started on Friday. There were some minor admin things that might have made it easier but under the circumstances I thought the tourney went fairly well. So kudos to PC.
Unless I've miscounted or somehow they have decided to let one of the female-only schools host a tourney without men's locker rooms, I think it goes to Maryville next year provided everybody hangs together.

I still think its fuzzy logic to send Maryville 8 hours to jackson when Greensboro (Guilford) and Centre are so very much closer. But it makes as much sense as Piedmont women getting Oglethorpe, a team they played regular season, rather than one of the other two teams who neither OU or PC had played. So I take it either great respect that they wanted to avoid putting MC in with Guilford or Centre thinking they'll advance to sweet 16 or somebody saying "hey these guys must be close to Jackson, they're there every year" while looking at last year's bracket.

Lastly. For those who did listen to Lambert Monday afternoon on Hoopsville. I heard him restate a comment I heard from other ADs at the tourney about a possible new member from the juco ranks that  is 3-4 years away at best and a possible application to D3 thats expected sooner. That still would leave the men a team short  of an AQ unless the unmentioned school that has a split personality between AD and Prez decides to come in to make seven.

I heard several mentions about waiting to see what happens with the partition vote but I still need convincing that if accepted and the split happens that the south region conferences will see much shake up. In fact it could make some of the other regions a little more appreciative of the scheduling issues and travel cost the south and to a greater extent the west region have been dealing with for years. RDL didn't rule out the merger option but said it was something that would be looked at on both sides this year, so even in best case it falls 09-10 season so its still after the partition vote.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2008, 10:50:11 PM
Bard, this bracket was specifically designed with the concept of geographic proximity in mind.  Millsaps was within busing distance to three, and only three, other bid winners.

UMHB is only within busing distance to Millsaps.  I think that UMHB is the #1 because they are playing Fontbonne.

I think that Millsaps is #2; Maryville is #3 in this bracket.  Maryville has tourney tradition.  Millsaps doesn't.  Let's see if Millsaps' senior leadership carries thru.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 05, 2008, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 04:09:27 PM
       OK.....now let me see. It is the GSAC all conference TEAM is is not? The sport is basketball is it not? There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.  :D  Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  :o The question should be how many T-E-A-M-S do you want to honor. Sure seems logical to me. Who gives a rats rear end that there are only 4 teams in the GSAC.  If two more honorees to make a full 1st and 2nd team are going to ruin the entire lot, then perhaps there should only be a 1st team.  ::)


Quote from: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 04:09:27 PM

There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.  :D  Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  :o


All right, allsky. By introducing logic into this discussion, you taken things in a whole new direction ... I like it.

You touch on another interesting angle ... positions.

On a typical all star baseball team, do they select 5 outfielders, 2 first basemen, and 2 catchers on the 1st team? Of course not.

On a typical all star Tibetian Yak wrestling team, do they select 1 left Yaksman and 3 ball twisters? I don't think so ...

Hmmmm ... Well, maybe on each basketball T-E-A-M we select, we should pick 2 bigs, 2 wings, and a PG ...

Nah ... They'd never buy that ... makes way too much sense.  :o

Hey allsky,

Check this out ... another group of 4 DIII teams picked their post season awards and handled it differently.
Compare and contrast to the gsac SNAFU ...

It seems the GABCA covered all the logical bases ...

1) For the anti-dilutionist ... they picked a 1st team ... so that could mean something.  :) (Pat has to like that.)

2) For those of us who believe in handing out a few more attaboys to recognize the accomplishments of these amateur athletes ... they also recognized 6 honorable mentions.  Attaboy!  ;)

3) And finally, for all the fans of logic out there ... the first team even works position-wise ... one PG, one post, one wing, and two versatile guys who could play either a wing or inside. Nice ...

http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2008/3/4/03_04_08_mball.asp?path=mbball

To see the complete GABCA all-state awards ...

http://www.gabca.org/

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on March 05, 2008, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: old_lion on March 05, 2008, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 04:09:27 PM
       OK.....now let me see. It is the GSAC all conference TEAM is is not? The sport is basketball is it not? There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.  :D  Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  :o The question should be how many T-E-A-M-S do you want to honor. Sure seems logical to me. Who gives a rats rear end that there are only 4 teams in the GSAC.  If two more honorees to make a full 1st and 2nd team are going to ruin the entire lot, then perhaps there should only be a 1st team.  ::)


Quote from: old_lion on February 28, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 28, 2008, 04:09:27 PM

There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.  :D  Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  :o


All right, allsky. By introducing logic into this discussion, you taken things in a whole new direction ... I like it.

You touch on another interesting angle ... positions.

On a typical all star baseball team, do they select 5 outfielders, 2 first basemen, and 2 catchers on the 1st team? Of course not.

On a typical all star Tibetian Yak wrestling team, do they select 1 left Yaksman and 3 ball twisters? I don't think so ...

Hmmmm ... Well, maybe on each basketball T-E-A-M we select, we should pick 2 bigs, 2 wings, and a PG ...

Nah ... They'd never buy that ... makes way too much sense.  :o

Hey allsky,

Check this out ... another group of 4 DIII teams picked their post season awards and handled it differently.
Compare and contrast to the gsac SNAFU ...

It seems the GABCA covered all the logical bases ...

1) For the anti-dilutionist ... they picked a 1st team ... so that could mean something.  :) (Pat has to like that.)

2) For those of us who believe in handing out a few more attaboys to recognize the accomplishments of these amateur athletes ... they also recognized 6 honorable mentions.  Attaboy!  ;)

3) And finally, for all the fans of logic out there ... the first team even works position-wise ... one PG, one post, one wing, and two versatile guys who could play either a wing or inside. Nice ...

http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2008/3/4/03_04_08_mball.asp?path=mbball

To see the complete GABCA all-state awards ...

http://www.gabca.org/



     Interesting. To each his own I spose.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 05, 2008, 04:21:24 PM
I know it works by the busing rules and I dont even think its a bad draw personally.
I do think Maryville getting the long drive year after year to accomodate the ASC and now for the geographically bloated SCAC (they have conf games beyond the NCAA tourney distance rules after all) is a bit off. Im sure if Miss College had won the ASC it would make even more sense with the schools so close in proximity.

Two SCAC schools hosting because geography works for them? Its as big a mystery to me as Guilford hosting after the lost paperwork was miraculously found or the tardiness excused.

And as a personal note from my assets (rather than out of them as most of my posts are) distances in a bus on Miss roads should count double for the wear and tear caused by the relatively poor condition of the paved surfaces. They were what 49th by the roadbuilders association survey late last year, leading only Alaska! ;D

BTB while I'll keep up with the GSAC as best I can,Im relocating up to DC to start a new job March 10 so I guess I'll now keep an eye on Shenandoah, Newport and Catholic. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on March 05, 2008, 04:21:24 PM
I know it works by the busing rules and I dont even think its a bad draw personally.
I do think Maryville getting the long drive year after year to accommodate the ASC and now for the geographically bloated SCAC (they have conf games beyond the NCAA tourney distance rules after all) is a bit off. I'm sure if Miss College had won the ASC it would make even more sense with the schools so close in proximity.

Two SCAC schools hosting because geography works for them? Its as big a mystery to me as Guilford hosting after the lost paperwork was miraculously found or the tardiness excused.

And as a personal note from my assets (rather than out of them as most of my posts are) distances in a bus on Miss roads should count double for the wear and tear caused by the relatively poor condition of the paved surfaces. They were what 49th by the roadbuilders association survey late last year, leading only Alaska! ;D

BTB while I'll keep up with the GSAC as best I can,Im relocating up to DC to start a new job March 10 so I guess I'll now keep an eye on Shenandoah, Newport and Catholic. :o
Actually it works against UMHB this year.  Fontbonne is clearly the 4th seed, and Millsaps is the big winner, being right in the middle of this "bus-able" group to comprise a 4-team pod.

Millsaps won this round of geographic proximity.

Good luck, bard!  At least you can continue as a South Region reporter for Hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on March 05, 2008, 05:37:08 PM
Not a Millsaps fan, but having played against pretty much the same Millsaps team last year, I would say that I know them well enough to give a little rundown on the Millsaps team. 

They are very athletic, and usually with athletic teams, they have a tendency to turn the ball over quite a bit.. but not this Millsaps team.. they take care of the ball well and do a decent job on the offensive end of exploting the defense's weaknesses.  Very solid staring 5.. much better than the bench but they can go about 8-9 deep and not lose a whole bunch..

The center for Millsaps, Montgomery is one of the quickest leapers I've ever seen, gets back up in the air quick resembling a shawn marion type.. only his jumping.. not his game

Millsaps is very solid.. no obvious weaknesses .. they have quickness, shooting, athleticism, solid defensively, and play pretty smart as a whole

Dont want to give away too much on Millsaps.. since i have to represent the SCAC and pull for both Centre and Millsaps.. honest opinion is that Millsaps is actually a better team than Centre.. only because Centre misses that dominant post presence that can block shots and defend the paint

I have alot of respect for the Maryville team and especially Coach Lambert having played against Maryville 8 times from 2003-2007.. I havent seen maryville play this year.. and no disrespect to them.. but since Im pulling for the SCAC.. so I'll say Millsaps by 6 (75-69)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2008, 05:37:21 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on March 05, 2008, 04:21:24 PM
Its as big a mystery to me as Guilford hosting after the lost paperwork was miraculously found or the tardiness excused.

I've never known the NCAA to be forgiving on missing a paperwork deadline, so perhaps your original source was mistaken.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 06, 2008, 06:52:26 PM
That was from 3 different folks, but as I said perhaps they were misinformed and things were just confused. But its neither here nor there now that its done. If it happened it was forgiven, if it didn't then everything was fine. Its not like Guilford shouldn't host and did. I actually tried to rearrange the backet and couldn't find anything that made more sense geographically that what the committee did. So as odd as it is I'll go with it and take back my reservations about the bracket.

BTB I can't speak for basketball but I know of several instances in spring sports where such instances have been forgiven by NCAA by neccesity.

Thanks for the good wishes. Maybe I'll be back this fall or maybe not, we'll have to see. Wish I could have made it to Jackson again but at least I got to Demorest this year. And I'll add that it was the first time I was asked for my input on how it went. Despite my musings on being relegatred to Wafflle House PC did a good job under some difficult circumstances. MC might take notes on some of their how tos for next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 06, 2008, 09:27:56 PM
I am feeling some good vibrations about this upcoming game.  I am feeling a big game by my man Q and Jared.  Those two are the ones that will propel us to Salem, I am convinced of that.  I have seen what a lock-down defender can do for a team and that is exactly what Quinn Bradely is.  Also, it will take the upmost effort and grit.  NO one on the scots shows more of these than Jared.  We need the floor general.  Salem or Bust.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 07, 2008, 10:04:59 AM
So Battered, how are we supposed to know what is going on with MC basketball without you?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 07, 2008, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 06, 2008, 09:27:56 PM
I am feeling some good vibrations about this upcoming game.  I am feeling a big game by my man Q and Jared.  Those two are the ones that will propel us to Salem, I am convinced of that.  I have seen what a lock-down defender can do for a team and that is exactly what Quinn Bradely is.  Also, it will take the upmost effort and grit.  NO one on the scots shows more of these than Jared.  We need the floor general.  Salem or Bust.

Spence,

It sounds like you are developing an appreciation for the PG position ... Attaboy!   :D

Good luck to Jared and all the Scots at Millsaps! The Hanger Dome should feel familiar for your guys. It's a similar setup to Murvul ... a basketball area within a bigger building ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on March 07, 2008, 11:11:36 AM
I had a dream last night my boys win 70-68 tonight.  Then we take care of Mary Hardin Baylor, which will allow me to hit the road for the Sweet 16.  The Road to Salem begins tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on March 07, 2008, 11:11:36 AM
I had a dream last night my boys win 70-68 tonight.  Then we take care of Mary Hardin Baylor, which will allow me to hit the road for the Sweet 16.  The Road to Salem begins tonight!
I believe it's called the Road to Maryville.  Sorry the trip to Jackson was not memorable for your Scots!  Streaks do end, and MU has witnessed the conclusion of an impressive one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 11:13:35 PM
Great game!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 07, 2008, 11:48:29 PM
When the Scots shoot so poorly from beyond the arch, it's hard for them to beat a good team like Millsaps.  The big wins against CN and others have come with better shooting.   Ralph:  Murvul announcers said the Scots were getting good looks and just not hitting.  Is that the way it seemed to you?




Is next year another rebuilding year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 07, 2008, 11:48:29 PM
When the Scots shoot so poorly from beyond the arch, it's hard for them to beat a good team like Millsaps.  The big wins against CN and others have come with better shooting.   Ralph:  Murvul announcers said the Scots were getting good looks and just not hitting.  Is that the way it seemed to you?
Is next year another rebuilding year?
Doug, I was listening to the very capable broadcast crew from Millsaps.

I did seem that Murvul was as cold as I can remember them in a playoff game.

The key was Lorenzo Bailey's two 3FG's at the 5 7 minute mark.  Millsaps had not been able to put the Scots away, and that stretch was what put it out of reach, IMHO.

That is more athleticism than we have seen from the Majors, at least in the Modern (d3hoops.com) Era.

The Scots have rebuilt nicely!  Good luck next year!

McMurry has a men's tourney in Abilene in November 21-22 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4536.165).

Why don't y'all come on down?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 08, 2008, 08:03:34 AM
Grrr.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 08, 2008, 12:56:03 PM
OK Spencer and y'all Murvul insiders:  What do you know about who RDL has coming in new next year, and who dp you see as the playing rotation?  The Scots lose some really good players and I hope some of the returnees follow the Alex trail and get better this summer. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 08, 2008, 01:04:28 PM
I hated to hear Maryville lost in a tough place to win. 

On to better news...my wife gave birth to our first child this morning at 5:32am, a son, Harper Warren Haynes.  8lbs 12oz, 20 1/2".  GSAC POY 2028!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Highlander on March 08, 2008, 01:09:00 PM
Congrats Coach, I am sure that he will grow up to be the GSAC POY at MC in 2028.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 08, 2008, 01:04:28 PM
I hated to hear Maryville lost in a tough place to win. 

On to better news...my wife gave birth to our first child this morning at 5:32am, a son, Harper Warren Haynes.  8lbs 12oz, 20 1/2".  GSAC POY 2028!
Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: philip_ponder on March 08, 2008, 01:54:33 PM
Haynes,

Congrats!  His first recruiting letter is in the mail... but what the heck are you doing on D3hoops when your first born is 7 hours old?  I'll make sure the "boss" knows about this next time I see her.  Tell her congrats for me as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 08, 2008, 02:47:53 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 08, 2008, 01:04:28 PM
I hated to hear Maryville lost in a tough place to win. 

On to better news...my wife gave birth to our first child this morning at 5:32am, a son, Harper Warren Haynes.  8lbs 12oz, 20 1/2".  GSAC POY 2028!
your life is about to be turned upside down...in the best way possible, of course...congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: philip_ponder on March 08, 2008, 01:54:33 PM
Haynes,

Congrats!  His first recruiting letter is in the mail... but what the heck are you doing on D3hoops when your first born is 7 hours old?  I'll make sure the "boss" knows about this next time I see her.  Tell her congrats for me as well.
I look at it this way...

He ran out into the proverbial 21st Century waiting room and passed out "D3hoops.com e-cigars" to his best friends.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 08, 2008, 04:50:32 PM
Scottiedoug MC does have several good area high school players including, but not limited to, Wes Lambert and Corey Welch.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on March 08, 2008, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 08, 2008, 01:04:28 PM
I hated to hear Maryville lost in a tough place to win. 

On to better news...my wife gave birth to our first child this morning at 5:32am, a son, Harper Warren Haynes.  8lbs 12oz, 20 1/2".  GSAC POY 2028!


Hmm...what should my comment be...


Congratuations to the Haynes family!! May he grow big and strong and have many happy meals (not "Happy Meals") at Country's.

And just a quick comment...cherish every moment with him. They grow up very quick. Honestly, you'll blink and it will be 2028 and he will be POY!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 08, 2008, 11:35:29 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on March 08, 2008, 09:33:44 PM
And just a quick comment...cherish every moment with him. They grow up very quick. Honestly, you'll blink and it will be 2028 and he will be POY!

Well said, MCScotsFan ...

Congratulations Coach Haynes,

You have some wonderful experiences coming over the next 20 years or so ... and MCScotsFan nailed it ... it will fly by.  :o  I'd do it all again in a heartbeat if I could.

Enjoy.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 09, 2008, 09:47:18 PM
Great season scots.  I love you seniors, and I am proud of all scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 11, 2008, 11:24:59 AM
great season for the scots
i miss it already, can't wait for october
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 13, 2008, 01:51:48 PM
A run down on the LC awards given out at our banquet on Tuesday night.  I thought some might be interested.

Hiram Reeves Dedication Award: Britt Gaylor
Glen Simpson Academic Award: Deji Adako
Cecil Major Defensive Award: Roger McDowell
Al Mariotti Leadership Award: Demetris Render
Delma Fowler Most Valuable Player Award: Demetris Render

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 13, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
Thanks to all of you for the well wishes.  We are loving him until it hurts right now and I really don't plan on stopping that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 14, 2008, 10:12:49 AM
Coach H:  How are you doing with recruiting big people to compliment your new little person?  Is he left-handed?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 16, 2008, 11:39:25 AM
Is anyone else going to make it up to Salem.  I am going to check out the competition and just have a good time watching some hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 06:31:00 AM
Congratulations to Demetris Render! (http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/08/southmen.htm)  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 19, 2008, 11:45:23 AM
On behalf of Demetris, THANKS!
That is a great honor.  I feel like I have never spoken up loud enough for him, because he is just that kind of player.  He never cared about awards.  I knew what he was capable of and I guess a few other folks do to.  Congrats to Jake Baldwin.  I really hated to see him not at full strength in the conference tournament.  That as a player is really frustrating. 

What television station is broadcasting the D3 championship game this year? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 19, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
All I know is that when Demetris played Murvul in TN, the Scots could not stop him from scoring many points.  There are some pretty good players on the All South team!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 19, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 06:31:00 AM
Congratulations to Demetris Render! (http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/08/southmen.htm)  :)

Well deserved! He had a very good career ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 19, 2008, 06:21:24 PM
Yeah he was a very physical presence for Lagrange.  Good D3 player.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 22, 2008, 09:57:08 AM
congrats to alex bowers for being named NABC 2nd team all south and Jake Baldwin for being named 1st team all south
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 22, 2008, 10:59:29 PM
Just got back from the D3 final four.  It was a fun trip with a final I didn't expect.  If anyone watched the semis they would have guessed that Amherst would win over Wash U by 20 not the other way around.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 23, 2008, 05:18:01 PM
HAPPY EASTER!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 24, 2008, 09:45:46 AM
Gwinnett Grads is a column that runs on Saturdays in the Gwinnett Daily Post spotlighting the achievements of past Gwinnett standouts.

Nice mentions towards the bottom of the articles for Jake Green ...

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=12790&SectionID=7&SubSectionID=&S=1

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=12155&SectionID=7&SubSectionID=7&S=1

MCforlife and I are still amazed that one can finish that highly nationally ranked all time ... and never catch the attention of the all-gsac selectors. Tough crowd ...  ::) 

Here is the complete list, prior to the 07-08 season, from ncaa.org ...

NCAA DIII All-Time Career Assists   
     
Rank Player, Team                   Seasons Games Assists
1 Tennyson Whitted, Ramapo............. 2000-03 108 917
2 Steve Artis, Chris. Newport.......... 1990-93 112 909
3 Phil Dixon, Shenandoah............... 1993-96  103 889
4 Michael Crotty, Williams............. 2001-04 122 819
5 David Genovese, Mt. St. Vincent...... 1992-95 107 800
6 Mike McGarvey, Ursinus............... 2003-06 111 754
7 Andre Bolton, Chris. Newport......... 1993-96 109 737
8 Tim Gaspar, Mass.-Dartmouth.......... 2000-03 97 690
9 Matt Lucero, Austin.................. 1998-01 99 677
10 Brian Nigro, Mt. St. Vincent......... 1997-00  99 674
11 Greg Dunne, Nazareth................. 1996-99  106 671
12 Moses Jean-Pierre, Plymouth St. ..... 1991-94  109 669
13 Mike Rhoades, Lebanon Valley......... 1992-95  114 668
14 Lance Andrews, NJIT ................. 1990-93 113 664
15 Dennis Jacobi, Bowdoin...............  1989-92  93 662
16 Tim Lawrence, Maryville (Tenn.)...... 1989-92 106 660
17 Pat Skerry, Tufts.................... 1989-92  95 650
18 Eric Prendeville, Salisbury.......... 1996-99  107 641
19 Eric Johnson, Coe.................... 1989-92  90 637
20 John Snyder, King's (Pa.)............  1989-92  107 631
21 Jason Saurbaugh, York (Pa.).......... 1997-00  101 624
22 Sammy Briggs, Catholic...............  1994-97 103 621
23 Anthony Robinson, Wittenberg......... 1993-96  117 618
24 Jerry Dennis, Otterbein.............. 1989-92  118 613
25 Alex Morrison, Daniel Webster........ 1997-00  100 613


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 24, 2008, 02:52:44 PM
I know its a long time until Nov. but lets look at what each team might have next year. Huntingdon: IMO they will be better. I know they lost Pittman & Co.. But, they have some nice pieces returning.Six or more players averaged over 10 min.per game.Also the key IMO is that it will be Coach Pugh's 2nd year. -LaGrange:I hate to put too much pressure on the new dad but this team could be very good.Yes, they lost Render,Baize,& McDowell but they have lots coming back.Adako & Spivey both had starts in the post.Cromwell & Smallwood had solid years.Floyd & Walls both got time at the point. Gaylor gives them a shooter off the bench. And then they have Whitfield.This guy could be special.- Piedmont- Well the Jake & Jake era is over.This is the mystery team. Coppage & Rubio return & the rest is a mystery.Lampl & Martin got a few minutes but it looks like this team needs to bring in some players that can play right away. -Maryville-They again look loaded. Size,depth,quickness, & outside shooters. Can they match this year? Maybe not but ,they will be solid. The only question I might have is will they miss the leadership & toughness of Bowers, JJ, & Q? Here's hoping they all have healthy summers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 26, 2008, 03:06:54 PM
MC announced the selection of a new AD:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080326/SPORTS/65750516

I guess we will see how many male coaches can handle a departure from good ol' boyism at the top!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 26, 2008, 10:51:06 PM
Here is a link to a longer and more interesting article (in Blount Today) about Kandis Schram's new job as AD at Murvul:

http://www.blounttoday.com/news/2008/mar/26/schram-dunk/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on March 28, 2008, 07:50:17 PM
The women have an AQ in the GSAC.  Does this lower the motivation to move to ar align with the USASAC?  I hope not.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2008, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: scotswin on March 28, 2008, 07:50:17 PM
The women have an AQ in the GSAC.  Does this lower the motivation to move to or align with the USASAC?  I hope not.
You raise the question about the best reason for the GSAC to remain.

I think that the key factor in the USASouth/GSAC issue is what Shenandoah does.

If Shenandoah leaves the USASouth, they are left with only 6 men's teams in baseball, basketball, golf and tennis.  They do not hold the AQ if they go longer than two seasons with only 6 men's teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 29, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
Ralph:  I gather you think SU might leave.  What about CNU?  Where might SU go, and why?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2008, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 29, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
Ralph:  I gather you think SU might leave.  What about CNU?  Where might SU go, and why?
Good morning, Doug!

On the ODAC and USAC boards last fall there was a Shenandoah student paper story (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3830.230) of SU's application to join the ODAC.  (Post #230 on that page)

If the ODAC wants to go to 12 men and 13 women, then SU is a willing candidate.

If that "domino" falls, then the USA South needs a 7th.  The logical place for the USA South to grow is to "acquire" the GSAC. If CNU realizes that a shift may be in progress, then they could explore the Capital AC.  What happens in football is another matter.

I think that the "smackdown" of the D-IV proposal has now cleared the way for more re-alignments to occur.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 31, 2008, 09:28:47 AM
maryville gets another big guy. http://www.daltondailycitizen.com/sports/local_story_087225817.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 01, 2008, 08:47:16 AM
Quote from: bballlover on March 31, 2008, 09:28:47 AM
maryville gets another big guy. http://www.daltondailycitizen.com/sports/local_story_087225817.html

$32k ... not a bad package. That's almost worth putting on one of those cute little plaid skirts for.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 01, 2008, 10:36:46 AM
The recruit must be pretty bright, as that most likely is a Presidential (full) scholarship of which there are not very many.  I am not sure wearing plaid skirts is required to get one, but for that kind of money....

Do you (old_lion) know anything about the player?  You usually know GA players.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 01, 2008, 11:15:06 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 01, 2008, 10:36:46 AM
Do you (old_lion) know anything about the player?  You usually know GA players.

Sorry Scottie, I don't.

But I bet bballover knows a little about him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 01, 2008, 10:29:39 PM
     Things that make you go hmmmmmmm!! Anyone see the piece on Pat Summit's son during the UT/ A&M game tonight? Sounds like he is probably a long shot at the scholarship level. Any chance of him becoming a Fighting Scot?  :o

     GO LADY VOLS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 02, 2008, 08:20:04 AM
old_lion I did see him play. I can tell you what I know or what I think I know.He's long, was a good High School shot blocker. Runs the floor pretty well.Will need to put on some weight. As for Coach Summit's son didn't the assistant coach at his school play at that school in Demorest?                                                       
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 03, 2008, 11:02:17 AM
MC announces another big recruit.  Anybody know anything about this one?

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2428
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 03, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
re: the article about queen

"On his second visit to Maryville, Lambert and school officials presented Queen and his father with the financial aid package."

i sure hope that coach lambert didn't present the financial aid package...that would be a violation :)

"No way did I ever think I'd get a scholarship to play college ball," he said. "But I'm very excited about Maryville College."

...does this read as though he thinks he's got a scholarship to play college ball to you guys?


no wonder m'ville is so good :)

p.s. - i don't for a second think m'ville is doing anything illegal to get kids...it's just always funny to me how writers and kids spin things after they've committed to d3 schools
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
I don't think it's spin sometimes as much as ignorance.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 03, 2008, 06:32:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
I don't think it's spin sometimes as much as ignorance.

     Perhaps some of both. He can tell his Bubba buddies down at the DQ he got a (almost) full ride.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 04, 2008, 10:56:55 AM
come on now, do you all really need to pick on this kid yet, i have met him, and he has the physical tools to be a real player.  After Randy and kendal get done working with him, he will be ready to ball, could even play the small forward some at 6'6".  The murvul faithful are excited and if he is getting that kind of financial package, he is a pretty intelligent kid, which is more than i could say for myself at that age and the killer and bobby golden and bradley blair and alex bowers and the killer and matt ennen, the list goes on and on so if you want to pick on someone, pick on me or the killer, we can handle ourselves.  Don't pick on the young and inexperienced.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 04, 2008, 12:36:57 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on April 04, 2008, 10:56:55 AM
come on now, do you all really need to pick on this kid yet, i have met him, and he has the physical tools to be a real player.  After Randy and kendal get done working with him, he will be ready to ball, could even play the small forward some at 6'6".  The murvul faithful are excited and if he is getting that kind of financial package, he is a pretty intelligent kid, which is more than i could say for myself at that age and the killer and bobby golden and bradley blair and alex bowers and the killer and matt ennen, the list goes on and on so if you want to pick on someone, pick on me or the killer, we can handle ourselves.  Don't pick on the young and inexperienced.

     Matt.....I'm not picking on the kid. I'm a Bubba myself and I LOVE Blizzards from DQ!!  ;) Besides....I got a full ride to MC myself and I assure you it wasn't the result of my SAT scores, my ability to hit a baseball, or to kick a football.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 06, 2008, 09:48:46 PM
lets hope kendal wallace: maker of men, disciple of defense, does not apply for the sewanee job.  Although he would do wonders for them.  These schools need to look more for students of randy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 07, 2008, 11:28:51 AM
general sherman only raided georgia once. seems like MC does it every year.                                                            http://www.daily-tribune.com/index.cfm?event=news.view&id=F3627AA8-19B9-E2E2-6769E015BDE1FA7F
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 08, 2008, 10:00:30 AM
Looks like Randy and his staff are getting some size not just at post but also the wings.  This is part of the missing pieces as far as moving further along in the NCAA tournament.  No wonder RDL wanted to concentrate on basketball!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 08, 2008, 10:13:30 AM

And two point guards to support Jared and allow Eryk Watson to focus on other things.  Any of y'all Scottie insiders seen any of these recruits play? 

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2446

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2445

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2444

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 09, 2008, 09:38:26 AM
Here is MC's press release about Donald Rucker, whom Lambert predicts will play as a freshman.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2449
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 11, 2008, 03:35:58 PM
they need more than these guys, they need a seven footer that can swing out and play some on the perimeter, i am thinking a kevin garnett type, now that randy does not have the AD duties to burden him i think he will be able to find this kid and convince him that maryville has the education he needs as well as the ability to compete in extra curricular activities such as basketball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 12, 2008, 12:06:06 AM
Until that happens, here is another shorter recruit:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2455
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 12, 2008, 06:42:57 PM
There has been big news brewing on the front of MC recruiting.  Maryville High pg Jordan Damron is considering maryville college.  If he came that would be an instant point guard to help jared and move eryk to the 2 guard.  He is legit.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 13, 2008, 01:30:48 PM
If Damron is as good as some folks think, that would be quite a boost.  It is clear from the RDL quotes that he thinks Rucker is another recruit who can play right away.  I thought Damron had his sights set on what some would think are higher level programs.  Or is the idea of winning big at D3 beginning to outweigh playing (maybe) at a "higher" level?












Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 14, 2008, 12:06:28 PM
if that kid commits then Josh Tummel would be beside himself as well as the rest of the mc faithful, that kid has D1 written all over him as far a skills go, but he is tiny, and i think that is whats keeping the big boys from looking at him, sounds like a perfect fit for RDL and the scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 14, 2008, 12:42:09 PM
Any idea if he and Wesley get along well enough for the two of them to want to win a national championship together?  And I am sure RDL and Damron have some kind of relationship already.

I would suspect that some place that can offer athletic scholarships (i.e., C-N or King) or a not very good D2 or D1 program would also want someone with a lot of skills who is "too little." 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JoeyMT on April 15, 2008, 09:09:39 AM

Congrats on Maryville for landing some good recruits...one question?
Since when has Maryville start letting guys with 700 SAT scores into their school??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 15, 2008, 11:48:32 AM
Always glad when new posters have a sense of humor.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JoeyMT on April 15, 2008, 12:14:32 PM
I'm just saying how would you feel if you knew a kid with a 700 SAT score was at a fine DIII institution like Maryville??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2008, 01:14:34 PM
I'd say that since test scores are not public knowledge, you'd need to have some actual evidence before saying anything more specific.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 15, 2008, 01:51:57 PM
MC uses the ACT as whatever testscores contribute to admissions decisions.  Those, too, are not public information.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 15, 2008, 02:43:23 PM
yeah you might not want to elaborate on that one for fear of a lawsuit but on a side note, i got a 24 on the ACT, i was hungover and was staring down the crack of this really hot chick who was sitting right in front of me.  With those compensating factors, i feel i made the equivalent of a 28 b/c man you should have seen this girl, she is fat now by the way, but 12 years ago, man.  I feel i learned to operate pretty dang well with a hangover though.  That is another thing you will learn in college.

JoeyMT, you seem pretty salty about something, do you feel that North Carolina looked over you in the recruiting process?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 15, 2008, 10:22:03 PM
Damron is going to MC.  I know there were other bigger schools looking at him.  ETSU offered him but then took it back.  I am not sure of the circumstances.  With a Damron, Watson, and Williamson backcourt, I can see big things at MC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: JoeyMT on April 15, 2008, 10:32:42 PM
When kids go to these showcases/instructional camps and their SAT/ACT scores are plastered all over the place its kinda of hard to ignore it..I'm just saying.

Unfortuantly, UNC turned me away but luckily Duke snatched me up...they were my third choice but oh well...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2008, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: JoeyMT on April 15, 2008, 09:09:39 AM

Congrats on Maryville for landing some good recruits...one question?
Since when has Maryville start letting guys with 700 SAT scores into their school??
On the math or the verbal or that new Part III?  ;)  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 16, 2008, 12:07:53 AM
Maybe ETSU noticed that Damron pretty well stunk it up in his last couple of outings....I suspect RDL can explain a few things about what a point guard is supposed to do and he will be a heck of a D3 player.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 16, 2008, 07:50:30 AM
Quote from: JoeyMT on April 15, 2008, 10:32:42 PM
When kids go to these showcases/instructional camps and their SAT/ACT scores are plastered all over the place its kinda of hard to ignore it..I'm just saying.

Unfortuantly, UNC turned me away but luckily Duke snatched me up...they were my third choice but oh well...

And nobody ever takes the test again to try to do better. No handout ever has a typo. Etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 16, 2008, 10:05:35 AM
This discussion raises some interesting issues.  One argument is that a college that historically is committed to providing a college education opportunity for working-class and first generation students should admit kids who test poorly.  Accompanying that commitment should be an emphasis on providing the support it takes for some of those kids to succeed.  After all, it is graduating, not entering, that is the ultimate test.

Other schools choose to admit only kids whose background and preparation is likely to let them succeed without much attention.

Maryville tends toward the first example.  That is one reason the SCAC is not interested in admitting Maryville and some posters and fans feel free to make snide remarks about comparative academic "standards."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 17, 2008, 06:01:51 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 16, 2008, 10:05:35 AM
This discussion raises some interesting issues.  One argument is that a college that historically is committed to providing a college education opportunity for working-class and first generation students should admit kids who test poorly.  Accompanying that commitment should be an emphasis on providing the support it takes for some of those kids to succeed.  After all, it is graduating, not entering, that is the ultimate test.

Other schools choose to admit only kids whose background and preparation is likely to let them succeed without much attention.

Maryville tends toward the first example.  That is one reason the SCAC is not interested in admitting Maryville and some posters and fans feel free to make snide remarks about comparative academic "standards."

     Thanks Scottie.....I've been searching all my life trying to figure out who I am. I now realize that I am one of "those kids". I feel much better now.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 17, 2008, 10:05:24 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 16, 2008, 10:05:35 AM
This discussion raises some interesting issues.  One argument is that a college that historically is committed to providing a college education opportunity for working-class and first generation students should admit kids who test poorly.  Accompanying that commitment should be an emphasis on providing the support it takes for some of those kids to succeed.  After all, it is graduating, not entering, that is the ultimate test.

Other schools choose to admit only kids whose background and preparation is likely to let them succeed without much attention.

Maryville tends toward the first example.  That is one reason the SCAC is not interested in admitting Maryville and some posters and fans feel free to make snide remarks about comparative academic "standards."

Well said, as usual, Scottie.

Small, private colleges have the ability to judge applicants individually, to look beyond student's resumes ... to make some subjective decisions based on their perceived potential. There are plenty of kids coming out of high school who may have less than "five star" academic credentials ... but yet they are good, solid kids who are willing to work hard and do the right things to be successful.

The fact that small, private schools have the capabilities (small class sizes, plenty of individual attention, etc. ) to help that sort of student succeed is, in my opinion, probably their greatest attribute.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 17, 2008, 10:54:17 AM
Allsky something tells me you had figured out who you are a while ago!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on April 17, 2008, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: old_lion on April 17, 2008, 10:05:24 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 16, 2008, 10:05:35 AM
This discussion raises some interesting issues.  One argument is that a college that historically is committed to providing a college education opportunity for working-class and first generation students should admit kids who test poorly.  Accompanying that commitment should be an emphasis on providing the support it takes for some of those kids to succeed.  After all, it is graduating, not entering, that is the ultimate test.

Other schools choose to admit only kids whose background and preparation is likely to let them succeed without much attention.

Maryville tends toward the first example.  That is one reason the SCAC is not interested in admitting Maryville and some posters and fans feel free to make snide remarks about comparative academic "standards."

Well said, as usual, Scottie.

Small, private colleges have the ability to judge applicants individually, to look beyond student's resumes ... to make some subjective decisions based on their perceived potential. There are plenty of kids coming out of high school who may have less than "five star" academic credentials ... but yet they are good, solid kids who are willing to work hard and do the right things to be successful.

The fact that small, private schools have the capabilities (small class sizes, plenty of individual attention, etc. ) to help that sort of student succeed is, in my opinion, probably their greatest attribute.

     Scottie.....you are correct. Old Lion.......right on brother!!  ;)

     Many have joked about the academics at Ferrum. Not sure where they stand today but 25 years ago, if you had a pulse, you pretty much got in. For me, it wasn't about smarts...it was about maturity. allsky7 hasn't always been the mature intellectual powerhouse that he is today.  :D Matter of fact, two years at Ferrum created such an intellectual powerhouse, that even Maryville allowed me on their hallowed grounds.  :D  As usual, I am trying to be cute here but I can guarantee you that there are many kids out there today that are just like I was oh so long ago.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 17, 2008, 10:52:38 PM
Lets look at it this way, ETSU or any other college did not recruit Damron out of his high school games, they recruited him like every other kid is recruited at that level, in AAU ball.  Damron played for the Tennesee Travelers like Chris Housewright and Tim Blakeley.  Maybe the schools did not like what they saw in AAU, who cares, the bottom line is Damron is now going to have an exceptional college.  great friends, great education, and great basketball.  Remember basketball is privilege while he earns an education.  He made the right decision.

Damron, Watson, Williamson,   wow, but remember someone still has to be out Laverdiere, which won't be easy

It is a great time to be a scot.

Pat, we will have you in the orange and garnet before it is all said and done!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 18, 2008, 04:01:05 PM
true it will be tough for Damron to be out Jared for the starting spot this year.  Jared is a leader which should be rewarded with the majority of the starts.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2008, 09:45:06 PM
not that m'ville needed him, with all the recruits they've been hauling in, but i heard through the grapevine that the monarchs snagged a commitment from a 2 guard that both mc and mu were recruiting - he averaged around 15 ppg and 8 rebounds per game (no that's not a misprint...8 rebounds a game as a 2!)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 18, 2008, 11:18:13 PM
We are always glad for the competition to get better, Narch!  Maryville seems to have the problem of too many recruits deciding to come to Scottieville.  I'd be interested in your take on the "who to admit to your college" issue we have been toying with lately.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 19, 2008, 04:03:33 PM
he will pay the price for not coming to maryville, they always do j/k
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 20, 2008, 07:49:04 PM
Right on, right on.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Gibbons, Jr. on April 20, 2008, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2008, 09:45:06 PM
not that m'ville needed him, with all the recruits they've been hauling in, but i heard through the grapevine that the monarchs snagged a commitment from a 2 guard that both mc and mu were recruiting - he averaged around 15 ppg and 8 rebounds per game (no that's not a misprint...8 rebounds a game as a 2!)

Do you know the name and high school of the commitment?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 21, 2008, 06:52:12 PM
We got a new kid on the block!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Gibbons, Jr. on April 21, 2008, 11:51:28 PM
Be gentle...I don't have much experience
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 21, 2008, 11:53:40 PM
Quote from: Bob Gibbons, Jr. on April 21, 2008, 11:51:28 PM
Be gentle...I don't have much experience

Keep hangin' around these parts - you'll get experience! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2008, 11:22:39 AM
Quote from: Bob Gibbons, Jr. on April 20, 2008, 10:47:34 PM
Do you know the name and high school of the commitment?
yes, i do
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2008, 11:30:00 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 18, 2008, 11:18:13 PMI'd be interested in your take on the "who to admit to your college" issue we have been toying with lately.
i think it's one of the most difficult things to deal with on the collegiate level, especially d3 - at the d1/d2 level at least the clearinghouse assures that every athlete/student has the same minimum criteria - we don't have that same "level" playing field for our student/athletes at d3...it's tough seeing your teams getting beat by kids who you know couldn't get admitted to your school, but it is what it is...each college/university has a different and unique mission/vision and that diversity of institutions makes higher education special
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 23, 2008, 09:36:04 AM
Its been a awhile since I posted! I am back Mr.grubb.. I passed by the MC gym yesterday and saw what they have coming back... WATCH OUT!!!

With the addition of Damron and the post player "Maverick" coach Lambert should not have a problem making it to the Sweet 16. I liked what I saw. They remind me of my 03-04 team who made it to the Sweet 16. A lot of talent and size and every position. Watson,Williamson,Damron,Maverick, and Orr/Hernandez, and Schumate, pretty solid players there.

By the way spoke to Mr.Damron yesterday and he has never taken the SAT!! :P ??? :o ;D :D :) If he sticks to Randy's system of play alongside Watson they could be one of the best guards since Ellis and Placeres "WOW I JUST HAD A BRENT WATTS MOMENT"

To the GSAC competitors YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO BEAT THE SCOTS NEXT YEAR!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 23, 2008, 09:53:15 AM
To the Murval faithful ... why haven't we seen a report that Damron has "signed" with Murval?

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news.asp?sportNameID=5

As an aside, I never have been able to figure out why Murvul is one of the few D3 schools that announces commitments. Do other schools somehow feel it's inappropriate to do so? Apparently, Murval has never gotten in trouble doing it ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 23, 2008, 10:23:55 AM
Old_Lion:  What bad could happen as a result of announcing commitments except having egg on the face if some of them do not actually show up?  All the releases say is that a player has announced an intention (and probably paid a deposit...the same one a non-athlete makes).  It is still voluntary college and basketball....

Killer:  Have you seen Maverick play in HS?  What's the scoop?  Are you doing RockyTop?  Any current Scots likely to get in?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 23, 2008, 10:24:19 AM
Killer,
you have never had a Brent Watts moment, your life has been way to boring.

You all just get ready for the scots and Wes Lambert, yes there will be 2 lamberts on the sidelines next year.

killer call me
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 23, 2008, 10:25:01 AM
scottie doug
if you want to know if any of them are likely to get in you need to ask me, i am the coach and i pick my team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 23, 2008, 12:31:50 PM
Mr. Grubb I did not mean to dis your importance!!  So what is the answer?

Is Wes going to be on the sidelines w/ RDL or on the court with Eryk et al?  There has not been an "official" announcement that either Wes or Jordan is going to Murvul....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 23, 2008, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 23, 2008, 10:23:55 AM
Old_Lion:  What bad could happen as a result of announcing commitments except having egg on the face if some of them do not actually show up?  All the releases say is that a player has announced an intention (and probably paid a deposit...the same one a non-athlete makes).  It is still voluntary college and basketball....

Scottie,

I agree with you. I just wonder why most other schools don't announce ... they behave almost as if they feel it's illegal ... I wish more schools would let fans know what's going on.

But I guess I understand ... at D3, they aren't really committed until they are on campus.

But here is another angle for the "non-announcing" schools to consider. Maybe, after a kid has looked you in the eye, shook your hand, and said, "I'm coming" ...  if you put out an official announcement at that point ... just maybe, the kid would be more likely to be a stand up guy and keep his word. Maybe that's how RDL looks at it?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 23, 2008, 01:43:21 PM
old_lion - i think part of the reason schools don't comment is that they're afraid that the vultures from other schools will swoop in and scoop them up - unlike d1/d2, there is nothing binding to a d3 committment and most student-athletes would gladly forfeit a $200-$300 deposit if they could get a more attractive financial aid package - m'ville feels very confident that their committments will enroll, but i can tell you in a state like nc, which is highly recruited by college programs of all levels, it's not unusual for scholarship programs (or even non-scholarship programs waiving more $$'s) to continue to recruit student-athletes, even after they've committed

about 6-7 years ago there was a monarch recruit who announced his intention of enrolling at mu in the local newspaper - within a few weeks he had a scholarship offer from a local d2 that had just lost to mu...he played a good bit as a frosh and started for his last 3 years, earning all ciaa honors as a senior - the mu coaches thought they had a potential usasac poty who had committed - i don't know if his signing and the announcement had anything to do with one another, but if i were a coach, i wouldn't risk it

the young man i mentioned who had chosen mu over m'ville also considered at least one other usasac school - my source has asked that i let him be the one to tell that coaching staff's he's not attending their school, rather than this board
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 23, 2008, 01:57:27 PM
Wes and Damron are in! If they pick me again I will play. As for some of the MC players I would say only Watson and Williamson can play in the league. Rocky Top is more of an up and down game. If you can't creat off the dribble you will struggle. Damron can possibly slide in beacuse of how good of a high school career he had. Damron is a steal for Coach Lambert.
I really like his game but still "iffy" if he will fit in the system! He won't have the Green light he had at MHS and that could hurt his game.

Time will tell. By the way Mr.Watts you can't hold me. I do have to give you credit you can still get buckets!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on April 23, 2008, 02:00:01 PM
To answer you question on Maverick, my personal opinion is that he is a STEAL at the division III level. He could have easily been a scholarship kid. Best post recruit I have seen since Bobby Golden. That is just my opinion. He is physically ready and will only get better. GREAT FIND!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 23, 2008, 02:46:45 PM
Damn!  Murvul is now up to 9 announced commitments.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-archive.asp?sportNameID=5&offset=0

And if I'm not mistaken, they'll return 7 of their top 10 from last year.  I think I'm beginning to see how the gsac is planning to get that AQ.  Apparently, Murvul is planning to put in a 2nd team.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 23, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: narch on April 23, 2008, 01:43:21 PM
old_lion - i think part of the reason schools don't comment is that they're afraid that the vultures from other schools will swoop in and scoop them up - unlike d1/d2, there is nothing binding to a d3 committment and most student-athletes would gladly forfeit a $200-$300 deposit if they could get a more attractive financial aid package - m'ville feels very confident that their committments will enroll, but i can tell you in a state like nc, which is highly recruited by college programs of all levels, it's not unusual for scholarship programs (or even non-scholarship programs waiving more $$'s) to continue to recruit student-athletes, even after they've committed

Valid point, Narch.

I just happen to think a person's word should mean something. IMHO, if someone will make a firm commitment to you, and then not stand by it, you're probably better off without that person anyway. If someone is going to let you down, sooner is probably better than later.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 23, 2008, 03:33:07 PM
Killer, That's high praise putting him up there with Golden. Does this mean he plays in front of Orr/Hernandez? Where does Hobert get minutes? I thought the staff was very high on him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 23, 2008, 04:30:28 PM
Hobert needs to committ to getting better b/c he has solid D3 post player written all over him if he will realize his potential, IMHO

Killer, i have game and that is why we won the clinton tourney and are about to win the y league again

Eryk "Randy" Watson will play if he signs up for the rocky top league and so will Williamson.  Damron would get picked up too, not as fast as the killer though, Wes could play and if this Maverick kid is as good as the killer says he is, so could he.

Randy's quote about why Wes is at MC is not entirely accurate, from what i understood Randy told him he would be cut off from the family if he did not wear the orange and garnett, even his mother would cut him off and Wes being the smart kid he is made the right decision, so sorry Bruce Pearl, Wes is going to be aa fighting scot not a perennial ALL SEC performer for the vols
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 23, 2008, 11:48:28 PM
Old_Lion:  Too many recruits.  I guess you cannot know who will say yes and then show up, but some of these players won't play.  Some of the "sure things" probably aren't and some kid who RDL has doubts about might get committed and work himself into a real player.  I'm looking forward to some fun years, though!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 25, 2008, 09:59:08 AM
bring in as many as you can and let the cream rise to the top, some guys get better after high school and some don't.  RDL wants the ones that are always getting better
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on April 30, 2008, 10:08:11 AM
Killer and all other GSAC faithful,
Remember this name b/c you will be hearing a lot of it for the next 4 years

Maverick
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 30, 2008, 03:39:14 PM
OK Grubby One:  Can you be any more informative?  I assume you've been watching him play and observed some interesting things, but what might they be?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 01, 2008, 12:09:04 PM
he is stronger today than my favorite player Orr/Hernandez.  good size and strength, reminds one of the purcell kid from sewanee
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 02, 2008, 10:50:10 AM
Here is a link that some may find interesting.  I especially like the last paragraph. 

http://www.lagrange.edu/news/nyt.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 02, 2008, 01:09:51 PM
i had to smite you for that last paragraph coach, we all know the center is Murvul
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 02, 2008, 10:56:10 PM
That is an impressive honor that not many people can boast about.  I, however, have been the answer to a final jeopardy question, which is a significantly more elite clulb.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 05, 2008, 08:22:49 AM
Beaty,
you could be the answer to most final jeopardy questions, those people just are not smart enough to realize it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 08, 2008, 12:23:01 PM
The LaGrange College Men's Basketball team are champions...of the LaGrange College intramural softball league.  It has taken great effort and dedication to get to this point...just kidding.  They showed up and played in high tops.  They actually played one team that was in full uniform, cups and all.  I guess I should be recruiting for our softball team, which by the way just one their first round game in the NCAA tournament. Another positive note from LC Hooptown.  Each year we give out a special award for the senior athlete at LC who has risen above adversity and soared with the eagles.  We call it the Eagle award.  I guess because Panthers don't soar.  They mostly sleep and eat raw meat and that doesn't make for a pretty award.  Anyway, Demetris Render was the co-winner this year, which puts the men's basketball count to 5 out of the last six years.  The one year we didn't win was because we didn't have a senior on the roster.  We will also not have a senior on the roster next season and so far only one defector. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on May 08, 2008, 01:57:40 PM
Anyone know if there are any more defectors ?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 09, 2008, 10:46:18 AM
I read in the paper this morning that Clay Wages has committed to LaGrange.

I've watched this guy since he was a 6th grader. He's a heady lead guard, competitive ... and one of his best attributes may be his clutch 3 point shooting.

Coach Haynes, I think you got a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 09, 2008, 11:42:07 AM
He is like Baize, in that he is small, quick, fast but he shoots it a lot better than Baize did at the same age. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 19, 2008, 10:48:32 AM
Played ball against Wesley Jones this weekend.  A lot of big name players in this tournament, but unfortunately no Killer.  I think the killer is taking a leave of absence from the old man bball scene to get married or get in shape for the rocky top league. 
BTW, my team this weekend had CJ Watson, PG for the Golden State Warriors, and yes killer, we won again and no he is not better than you
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 20, 2008, 08:42:07 AM
Every time I speak to Wesley Jones I apologize for understating his value as our PG.  All the games that we have lost since he graduated, he could have helped us win.  Two years ago at our alumni game he we 6-7 from the 3pt line, too bad he wasn't on my team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 23, 2008, 11:14:43 AM
The killer is getting married! :'( But I have to say this: I am probably in the best shape I have ever been in since the days Mr.Randy Lambert woke us up at 6am for 6 straight weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a guy! :-* It was also a Sweet 16 year so I guess it was worth it. ;D

Watts you know if you want to win the Rocky Top who you need to take the Killer and I guess that Hopson kid. I heard he is pretty good! ;)

Grubby one I am excited about the alumni game happening during Homecoming week! It is going to be bigger than the Super Bowl,World Series, World Series of poker, bigger than all of Old Lions stats!!! Love you Old Lion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 23, 2008, 05:48:34 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 23, 2008, 11:14:43 AM
The killer is getting married!

Wow!  That horrendous sound you hear is of single women all over the southeast wailing, mourning, and generally lamenting their lost opportunity!

Congrats Killer! It's nice to know the next generation of "Pure Point Guards" is on the horizen.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 23, 2008, 11:49:50 PM
Bride + Killer= Game Over

This is everyone's invitation to the killer's bachelor party at Dolly's Splash Country in Sevierville
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 24, 2008, 02:38:37 PM
Here is a link to an interesting article by Stefan Cooper in Blount Today about some of Maryville College's recent recruiting highlights.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=18&id=2510
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 25, 2008, 10:13:13 PM
I am glad that Damron was smart and comitted to MC, but that kid has a lot of work before he is as good as Eryk "Randy" Watson aka Sexual Chocolate aka Eryk Lambert aka The Biznus.  I guarantee there will be some good pick games this summer in murvul and in the Pilot Rocky Top League as i will take both of these guys.  I will tell you what, you look at Damron today and Damron in 365 days and you will see two totally different players.  Randy Lambert aka The Best will work him in to shape this year.  All of this hype makes me proud to be a fighting scot this summer and my guys will get plenty of recognition this summer from the knoxville media.  I can't wait.

PS we all know Kendal Wallace locked down these recruits and teaches them everything he knows
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on May 25, 2008, 11:28:50 PM
Hey Old Lion....Its Robot.....Im going to be representing Piedmont in the Rocky Top League. Im coaching a U13 AAU team. Bruce Pearl's son happens to be on the team. Coach Pearl has been coming to the practices. He got me into the Rocky Top League. You should come up for a game. I will get you a schedule when I know what team Im on. The draft is coming up soon. Games start in June and end in July. They are played at Bearden High School. Tell Coach Glenn to come watch too. 8)

www.rockytopbasketballleague.com
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on May 26, 2008, 11:25:03 AM
Wow, the Killer getting married! :o 
Well, this is wonderful news. Did you schedule the wedding for between b-ball seasons??  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 26, 2008, 04:02:42 PM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on May 25, 2008, 11:28:50 PM
Hey Old Lion....Its Robot.....Im going to be representing Piedmont in the Rocky Top League. Im coaching a U13 AAU team. Bruce Pearl's son happens to be on the team. Coach Pearl has been coming to the practices. He got me into the Rocky Top League. You should come up for a game. I will get you a schedule when I know what team Im on. The draft is coming up soon. Games start in June and end in July. They are played at Bearden High School. Tell Coach Glenn to come watch too. 8)

www.rockytopbasketballleague.com

Robot,

Good to hear from you.  Thanks for the link. Keep me posted ... I'll definately have to keep up with you.  Maybe I can get some of the guys together for a road trip.

Check the schedules. If I make the trip, I want to see a Rocky Top game and an AAU game and/or practice.

Come see us ... you are welcome anytime.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 26, 2008, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: old_lion on May 26, 2008, 04:02:42 PM
Check the schedules. If I make the trip, I want to see a Rocky Top game and an AAU game and/or practice.

Oh ... one more thing ... check with Killer ... if we can work in his batchler party on the same trip, then I'm there.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2008, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: old_lion on May 26, 2008, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: old_lion on May 26, 2008, 04:02:42 PM
Check the schedules. If I make the trip, I want to see a Rocky Top game and an AAU game and/or practice.

Oh ... one more thing ... check with Killer ... if we can work in his batchler party on the same trip, then I'm there.  :o
Be sure to post the links to the facebook photos and youtube videos from the bachelor party on the message board!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 26, 2008, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2008, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: old_lion on May 26, 2008, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: old_lion on May 26, 2008, 04:02:42 PM
Check the schedules. If I make the trip, I want to see a Rocky Top game and an AAU game and/or practice.

Oh ... one more thing ... check with Killer ... if we can work in his batchler party on the same trip, then I'm there.  :o
Be sure to post the links to the facebook photos and youtube videos from the bachelor party on the message board!   :D

I'm pretty sure PC likes to keep things PG! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 26, 2008, 09:29:35 PM
The Killers bachelor party wouldn't be anything other than PG.  he is done, game over

check out www.rockytopbasketballleague.com
and notice who the best coached team is, First Tennessee Bank for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 27, 2008, 08:59:39 AM
Tough crowd!! The killer will have to keep it PG.  Robot what is your real name?

Watts if you want me to take you to reach the the Finals in the Rocky Top you better pick the Killa and John "The Tank" Mueller!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 27, 2008, 10:57:33 AM
Congrats to killer!  Just know that all the control and decisions that you have made on the court and all the authority you have with your team means nothing when you come home to your wife.  You are no longer the PG, you are a role playing tweener that gets the dirty work done and loves it for the better of your team.  If you understand this role, your marriage will win more conference titles than your Scots.  My sincere best wishes. 

This is a challenge.  Grubb's summer league team vs my summer league team.  Pick a neutral spot and a time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 27, 2008, 11:37:35 AM
Anytime Coach, who will bring the flexall

I am in rome every other weekend, how about the coliseum there?  How bout we bring the flexall and you all bring the ice and ibuprofen?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on May 27, 2008, 02:46:27 PM
GSAC Killer- My name is Drew Bailey. I played at Piedmont from 2004-2007. I need a favor if you would be so kind. Do you happen to have Andre Whiteheads cell phone? I need to get a hold of him.

If you talk to Housewright tell him I said hello.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 27, 2008, 03:31:19 PM
Drew,
If you want, we will be playing pick up at Webb or catholic, or sacred heart over the next couple of weeks getting ready for this league, you are more than welcome to come to those games, the first is Wed. night 8:30 at sacred heart, myself and at least 1 other coach from the rocky top league will be there, so if you want to get picked we are the ones to be nice to
Watts
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on May 27, 2008, 09:33:42 PM
I coach at Webb. I was an assistant on the varsity boys team and the freshman head coach. We can work something out over there. We have three gyms on campus so its pretty easy to get on a court. Id love to play some ball. The rec center at UT gets old. Those guys don't know how to play. Its just a bunch of what I call "jungle" ball. Who from Maryville is going to play?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 27, 2008, 10:04:21 PM
killer would be too scared to hoop
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 28, 2008, 09:26:52 AM
I have ibuprofen on tap at my house.  I haven't used flexal in years.  I guess it is a animalistic thought process.  If they can smell you, they can hunt you down and beat you. 

It will be good to have Drew's insight on the board for the coming season.  He saw me one night and compared me to an NFL quarterback, so clearly he is the most intelligent person on this board already.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 28, 2008, 09:36:45 AM
The killa is working out!! He does not have time to waste..jk Softball game tonight Grubby One!

Did you get Andre's number?
By the way Drew if you play on Wednesday nights with Watts don't be on his team. HE DOES NOT PASS THE BALL!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 28, 2008, 12:04:19 PM
that is a lie, don't be on Raul's team b/c the only thing he passes to is the wall and or bleachers
he is the king of the no look no catch pass
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on May 28, 2008, 12:53:37 PM
 ;DThat was good. Hey best recruiting class at Maryville since the arrival of Jason Doan,Bobby Golden,Jonathan Johnson,and Raul Placeres!!Lol.jk..

On a serious note I think this has been the best recruiting class in some time!

Knox County 22 played from 04-07.  Like my great friend THE GRUBBY ONE WOULD SAY: he must have "got the business" from the Killas squad
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 28, 2008, 01:39:33 PM
The killer has just moved to a number one pick in the rocky top league
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on May 28, 2008, 03:42:00 PM
I will be back in town on Thursday. When will you guys be playing pickup again? We can use the gym at Webb. I just got an application from Andre. We need to form a team with some GSAC players, go out, and represent. It also wouldnt hurt to have Scotty Hopson or Tyler Smith. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on May 30, 2008, 11:35:05 PM
Now that I have taken the time to finally getting around to making an account on here, Im going to give the board my opinion on Piedmont Basketball, during my time on the team from 2004-2007.

First of all I think Piedmont has great facilities. There wasnt another team that we played, other than Christopher Newport, which by the way we knocked off the #25 ranked team in the country that night, that had better facilities.

Peyton Capper and Lee Glenn brought in a lot of talent in for the 2004-2005 season. In my opinion I don't think that talent was ever fully developed. There was a great deal of under achievement. There were an abundance of young talented players on that team. Kyle Kemmerer, Brent Walker, Wesley Parker, Jake Green, Jake Baldwin, Mike Adams, myself, Jeff Belflower, Trey Hightower, and Kent Edwards. I really wished that Kent, Kyle, Trey, and Jeff would have finished their playing careers. I believe that they could have developed into solid players. They would have helped out a lot during the 2006-2007 season.

The most talented team that I played on at Piedmont was the 2005-2006 season. Mike Adams improved a great deal during that summer and came back as a new and improved player. Jake Baldwin, Miles Kendall, Kyle Kemmerer, and Brent Walker, were our big guys. We got Tyler Whitlock to join the squad. He was a very solid, all around player. He had a great work ethic and he always played as hard as he could. I look back at that team and just shake my head at times. I was apart of that team so I take part of the blame. We never really could put it all together. One of the biggest mistakes I think that we made was bringing on Pete Manos during the middle of the season. I believe that it disrupted team chemistry. Not to mention he quit the team right before the conference tourney. Im sure he was a great guy, but it was a bad move by the coaching staff to add him on during the middle of the season. I look back at the picture of that team and Im just amazed by all the talent we had. Our practices were intense and always competitive. I just wish the talent would have been managed and developed better.


Piedmont is a great school with great academics and great athletic facilities. I hope Coach Glenn can bring in some bodies to replace Parker, Green, Baldwin, and Mayweather. I think Mayweather never got enough playing time. He deserved more. I dont think he will be fully appreciated until he isnt on the court next year. Parker was a good basketball player. Very smart, solid defense, and one of those guys who you wanted on your team. Piedmont is going to hurt next year without Jake Green and Jake Baldwin. Those two guys were the best players to ever come through Piedmont. There should have been more pick and rolls for those two guys. Just my opinion.

Lastly, I think Coach Glenn would be a great SID or General Manager of a college or pro team. He is a very good planner and organizer. He is a great X's and O's guy. I hope that he would work on developing player relationships and family relationships. He isnt a very good communicator with his players. During my time at Piedmont he always took care off us, as far as material things were concerned. However, he was a hard guy to just strike up a conversation with. You never knew what you were going to get. I can talk to anybody, but even I found it hard to talk to him, and often times dreaded the end of the year talks. If he can learn to establish connections with players, be more approachable, and still be able to draw the line between player and coach, I believe Piedmont will be very successful. I support Coach Glenn and Piedmont. I hope they do well next year. I will always support the Lions. Im just offering my two cents and giving the board an inside view of what the Piedmont experience is like.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 31, 2008, 11:51:45 AM
Grubby, when does the RTL start up? if you needed a waterMAN I would be there for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 02, 2008, 12:33:35 PM
June 16th and you and Steve Hamer are my assisstants Beaty so be there, the draft is June 11th at 7 at Ray's ESG, it will be on the radio so come by if you want
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 09, 2008, 09:51:28 AM
Since I did not have the opportunity to play with the Grubby One college I hope I can lad on his team for the Rocky Top League.
The Grubby One and The Killa put on a show at the Webb Gym yesterday, and we owe it all to the tutelage and great coaching of Mr. Don Lamberto!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 09, 2008, 10:34:11 AM
Murvul has a cool new court design that will be added in the off season as they name the court after their coach
the floor will be named
Don Magic Juan Lamberto
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on June 09, 2008, 02:24:01 PM
MattGrubb,

Thanks for the call about playing at Webb. I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 10, 2008, 02:44:11 PM
All eyes on the Grubby One!! Rocky Top draft at 7pm at Rays.. Will The Grubby One finish in last and out of the playoffs this year or will he step up to the challenge and get it done like his DADDY Don Lamberto
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 10, 2008, 03:33:00 PM
Matt "Daddeigh" Grubb will make his Daddy Don Magic Juan Lamberto proud
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 11, 2008, 09:18:19 AM
Incoming Freshman Class + Rex "BabyDaddy" Wallace + Don Magic Juan Randall Lamberto = Final Four
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 11, 2008, 12:56:03 PM
Killer:

I am sure you will do your part over the year to keep the players from reading all this praise and believing any of it until after the NCAA tournament???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 11, 2008, 02:01:55 PM
They have the pieces to do it but the only thing they must find is the fire!!

Coach will get them there. I am fully confident that if they approach it like our Sweet 16 team did in 03-04 they will reach Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 12, 2008, 08:19:33 AM
The Grubby One got Watson

Watch out Rocky Top League
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 12, 2008, 02:01:03 PM
Did Knoxcounty 22 get picked up?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 12, 2008, 04:14:55 PM
yep
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on June 12, 2008, 07:05:18 PM
The Great South is going to be represented well in the Rocky Top League. Im looking forward to it. Im just thankful to have a jersey.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 15, 2008, 09:06:13 PM
GSAC in really known as Scots Conference so yes the Scots will represent well!! ;)jk.. congrats on getting picked up..

Congrats to Bowers, Watson, ands Ben Williamson for getting picked up in the first 10 rounds..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on June 17, 2008, 10:36:59 AM
I see where Maryville & Piedmont both go to Centre after Christmas to play Centre & Hanover. Should be a great game between Maryville & Centre. Wish we could have seen it last year. Does anyone know anything about Hanover other than what can be gotten from their web site.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 17, 2008, 10:57:23 AM
All four teams are in-region for the sake of the tourney and post-season play.

This looks like one of the better tourneys!

Hanover is a perennial contender in the HCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on June 18, 2008, 08:26:12 PM
Hanover is one of the names that appears every year when you talk about south region basketball.  Could be some great games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 19, 2008, 03:49:36 PM
Hey RockyTop Scots:  Who is Michael Haynes of Maryville College?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on June 19, 2008, 04:12:59 PM
Hanover has another tnmt that they are hosting that could be one of the better tnmts of the year.  Both UW-Platt and Wooster will travel to Hanover in November.  I believe that the fourth team is Cincy Claremont.  And Hanover is considered to be in the Midwest region.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on June 20, 2008, 01:31:27 PM
Nice article, Raul!

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19787706&BRD=1211&PAG=461&dept_id=169688&rfi=6

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 20, 2008, 02:55:45 PM
Tonight is the night, The killers bachelor party and the rehearsal dinner for former scots PG Jake "the snake"Deal

The Grubby One will be at both
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 23, 2008, 03:56:14 PM
it is the father son game tonight in the rocky top league

1st TN vs Rays

Coach Watts vs his son Alex Bowers

Deal's wedding was great
Raul's bachelor party was priceless, except for the body shots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 23, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
Old Lion where have you been???? I will be Old Lion for the day..http://govolsxtra.com/news/2008/jun/21/rocky-top-league-standings-stats/

Just some stats from the Rocky Top league. Killa and Watts have yet to pick up a win!! Killa is averaging 12.0ppg and 6 dimes! Bowers and Williamson are 1-1 and Eryk Randy Watson plays for Watts so you know he is not doing well. ;)

Go Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on June 23, 2008, 11:54:23 PM
Raul,

Hey man, It's Andrew Tulowitzky from Oglethorpe University.  How are you doin?? Hope all is well with you.  I was inquiring about that Rocky Top league I've been hearing about.  I am still pretty active with basketball as I play 2-3 times a week and am still in efforts of playing overseas, talkin to an agent now about playing in either luxembourg or Belgium.  I actually ran into Alex Bowers a few weeks ago, is he playing in that league?  Anyways, is that Rocky Top league available to only state of Tennessee college players or how does that work?  I would really like to play in a top notch league like that maybe next summer, but I was just trying to get some information in regards to the league.  Anything would be helpful.  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 24, 2008, 07:27:58 AM
The Grubby One picked up his first win of the Rocky Top League and is still Alex Bowers DADDY! ;D

The Killa´s squad picked up a win as well. Had 20pts and 8 dimes! http://govolsxtra.com/news/2008/jun/23/rocky-top-league-summaries-june-23/

Andrew you could sign up for it next year. Brent Watts would be the person to talk to. He is Matt Grubb on this site. He is one of the coaches. Good luck to you on trying to go overseas!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 24, 2008, 11:13:56 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on June 23, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
Old Lion where have you been????

To paraphrase Douglas MacArthur ...

   Old lions never die, they just fade away ...

Once the the season starts, I'll ramp up my enthusiasm and jump in from time to time.  Otherwise, I fear that if I appear too apathetic, I'll be asked to serve on the gsac post season awards committee!   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 24, 2008, 11:17:00 AM
Old Lion is the man!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 24, 2008, 04:47:56 PM
Old_Lion for Commissioner of the GSAC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 25, 2008, 07:39:56 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 24, 2008, 04:47:56 PM
Old_Lion for Commissioner of the GSAC!!!

An old quote comes to mind ...

  I won't belong to any organization that would have me as a member.
    - Groucho Marx -
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 25, 2008, 09:29:22 AM
Old Lion your choice of words are priceless!! From now on I will refer to you as "The Commish" aka David Stern..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on June 25, 2008, 10:11:00 AM
With the new Commissioner Now in place an announcement to name the new schools to join the GSAC is surely imminent. It will be nice to have an automatic bid.Let me be the first to say GOOD JOB OLD_LION
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 25, 2008, 12:10:32 PM
No pressure, though!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 25, 2008, 02:57:10 PM
If nominated, I will not run ...

If elected, I will not serve ...

On second thought, what was that starting salary again?


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 25, 2008, 04:41:10 PM
The love and everlasting respect of Your Fans at Murvul.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 25, 2008, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 25, 2008, 04:41:10 PM
The love and everlasting respect of Your Fans at Murvul.

WOW! 

I'm not worthy ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 26, 2008, 10:39:02 AM
Neither is the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 26, 2008, 04:09:30 PM
The Grubby One v the Killer tonight

Its the annual showdown, things to watch for

CHRIS CARNEY
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 27, 2008, 02:10:43 PM
Hey Grubby One:

Who is the Michael Haynes playing in RT who is identified as from MC?

Is Chris Carney ready to step up and join the other 15 or 20 potential first and second team contributors for the Scots next year?  Dustin Brown?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 28, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
Scots start the season with Centre, Hampden Sidney, VA Wesleyan, Oglethorpe, Emory, and Carson Newman.  That ought to be interesting!  Only the first one is at home.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/schedule-mn-basketball.asp?sportNameID=5&sy=7
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 28, 2008, 05:24:30 PM
Killer prevails for a second year in a row. The Killa also destroyed all of the defensive schemes thrown at him. Finished with 19pts and 9 assists. I am the Grubby One's Daddy!!!!

By the way for a second consecutive year Watts will be out of the playoffs and possibly end up in last place again!!

Had a great time and represented Scot country well. Averaging 15ppg and 7apg..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on June 29, 2008, 07:48:01 PM
Here is a link tooting "Cool Raul's" horn!  http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/jun/28/hopson-getting-hang-college/ (http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/jun/28/hopson-getting-hang-college/)

Good job, Raul.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 01, 2008, 09:34:21 AM
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19815693&BRD=1211&PAG=461&dept_id=169688&rfi=6

Very proud of my boy Brent watts! Not only did he not finish in last place this year but he also received a technical by the legend Barry Mathis!

The Killa was balling last night again!! 22 pts and 11 dimes.. The only reason I balled was because the legend Randall Dean Lambert was in the building!! ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 01, 2008, 09:42:58 AM
http://govolsxtra.com/news/2008/jul/01/rocky-top-league-summaries-june-30/

Congrats to Bowers and Ben Williamson in making to the Rocky Top Championship!

Watts We LOVE YOU!!

Alumni game 4 MONTHS AWAY!!! It will be bigger than the World Series, World Cup, and World War II
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 01, 2008, 09:59:07 AM
Pilot Rocky Top Statistics:

http://govolsxtra.com/news/2008/jul/01/rocky-top-league-summaries-june-30/
http://www.rockytopbasketballleague.com/content/view/17/31/
http://www.rockytopbasketballleague.com/content/view/16/30/
http://www.rockytopbasketballleague.com/content/view/12/26/

www.tnprephoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 10, 2008, 10:53:08 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 01, 2008, 09:42:58 AM


Alumni game 4 MONTHS AWAY!!! It will be bigger than the World Series, World Cup, and World War II

that was a nice Dodgeball quote Killer...that was a bold move.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: allsky7 on July 11, 2008, 05:40:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 28, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
Scots start the season with Centre, Hampden Sidney, VA Wesleyan, Oglethorpe, Emory, and Carson Newman.  That ought to be interesting!  Only the first one is at home.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/schedule-mn-basketball.asp?sportNameID=5&sy=7

     SYDNEY

     Would love to see the Scots and Tigers play. Too bad it is all the way down yonder is Jawja.  ;D  Is this the first time they have played since the Maryville Miracle in the NCAA's a few years back?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 11, 2008, 10:10:14 AM
yes, that is the first time they will have played since 2000
and it was not a miracle, just another Randy Lambert masterpiece game plan
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 11, 2008, 11:15:40 AM
If the Scots are 24-2 come next March with this schedule they might just get to host the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 14, 2008, 12:55:51 AM
I'd sure hope so.  That would be quite a year, though.  No room for the likely bad luck or young player disease.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 14, 2008, 02:45:13 PM
With a schedule like that it would be pretty surprising to see the Scots 24-2. Another 20 win season and a trip to the NCAA Tournament for sure!

Great Backcourt! Damron,Williamson, and Watson with Shumate and Orr!! Great starting five. Wes,Hernandez and a youg slasher from Florida will help tremendously off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 14, 2008, 02:50:11 PM
Bad luck. It can happen to any team at any time. But surely with so many Vets returning ( Unless you know something the rest of us don't). RDL wouldn't lose a game because he has too much inexperience on the floor at the wrong time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 14, 2008, 11:29:02 PM
well hopefully all will go well for the scots since I am now officially enrolled as an incoming freshman at MC.  Is that not the winning team?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 15, 2008, 12:12:35 AM
Yes that is the winning team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 15, 2008, 06:29:06 PM
Bad news from the scots base camp.  Can't disclose the information though...let's just say it isn't what scots' fans want
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 16, 2008, 08:17:26 AM
You must disclose!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 16, 2008, 09:37:45 AM
I need Delta Lever clearance from RDL before I disclose.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 16, 2008, 11:47:06 AM
So exactly what was the point of mentioning it in the first place, Spencer?  We know that some people have information that others don't, but I fail to see why you would need to remind us that you are one of the ones who know things unless you are prepared to share.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 16, 2008, 11:57:47 AM
Maybe he's trying to win the negative Karma race?!?!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 16, 2008, 12:06:57 PM
Anyone for a game of 20 questions?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 16, 2008, 02:12:39 PM
its either that Damron, Williamson, or Watson are not coming back!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 16, 2008, 03:00:59 PM
Maybe, in His first official move as Commissioner Old_Lion put them on double secret probation. No more toga parties for the Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 16, 2008, 04:40:03 PM
The big news is that Brent Watts has stopped talking about himself for a full 24  hours now! Anything is possible in life!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on July 16, 2008, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 16, 2008, 04:40:03 PM
The big news is that Brent Watts has stopped talking about himself for a full 24  hours now! Anything is possible in life!! ;D

OMG! Then Hell has frozen over too!  ;D 

I know this bad news too but didn't post because it isn't public knowledge yet. I think it is just human nature to say something about knowing something. You want to tell (in this case, so people can "cry" with you, well, not everyone on here will "cry" but everyone will feel the pain because there are good people here) but can't so you give a little hint or whatever. I thought Killer would know.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 16, 2008, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on July 16, 2008, 11:47:06 AM
So exactly what was the point of mentioning it in the first place, Spencer?  We know that some people have information that others don't, but I fail to see why you would need to remind us that you are one of the ones who know things unless you are prepared to share.   

Damn Scottie, I second your comment!

Quote from: bballlover on July 16, 2008, 03:00:59 PM
Maybe, in His first official move as Commissioner Old_Lion put them on double secret probation. No more toga parties for the Scots.

We all know that I'm firmly on record for refusing the nomination as gsac Commissioner.  No flip flopping here, I stand by my commitments ... For instance, I was in favor of off shore drilling, even at $3 per gallon. But I digress ... 

However, were I gsac Commissioner, spence and mcscotsfan would both be doing a little double secret probation time for poor posting etiquette. I mean really, what's the deal ... "nah, nah na nah nah ... I know something you don't know..." ... what are you guys ... 12 years old? Seriously ...   ::)


By the way spence ...
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on July 16, 2008, 09:37:45 AM
I need Delta Lever clearance from RDL before I disclose.

Delta Lever clearance??? What the heck are you talking about?

Wow, obtuse and irritating ... I believe that's the first double double of the offseason ... congratrs. 

Sorry guys ... maybe I overreacted.  My patience are a little thin today. My wife ran off with my best friend ...



wait for it ...



and I miss him.


Thank you, thank you  ... I'll be here all week ... don't forget to tip your server ... :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 16, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
well, I have received the clearance from RDL and now for the bad news.  Two of the scots players are likely out for the season.  Ben Williamson has torn his ACL and is going to have surgery.  On top of that, freshman Wes Lambert has broken his ankle and will miss most of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 16, 2008, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on July 16, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
well, I have received the clearance from RDL and now for the bad news.  Two of the scots players are likely out for the season.  Ben Williamson has torn his ACL and is going to have surgery.  On top of that, freshman Wes Lambert has broken his ankle and will miss most of the year.
Medical redshirt for both of them...right?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 16, 2008, 11:04:36 PM
yeah
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 17, 2008, 08:18:58 AM
It's sad to hear of any player being injured. Especially ones of this magnitude. Hopefully all goes well and they both will be back on the hardwood ASAP.As far as the Scots go. They have the depth to overcome these untimely occurences.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 17, 2008, 08:29:36 AM
Best wishes to both Ben and Wes for full and speedy recoveries.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on July 17, 2008, 10:07:24 AM
Ben is one of my favorite Scots to watch. I will miss him this season. I've never seen Wes play and was looking forward to it.
Things happen in threes. I'm hoping we do not keep to that old saying!

Hopefully Ben's surgery can be sooner than later.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 17, 2008, 12:23:55 PM
the big news is i am back killer, i was playing both nights when both Wes and Ben got hurt and i was dominating, just like raul did in the rocky top league, and the messed up part was both injuries happened on the same spot on the floor.  Needless to say i won't go near that spot and i can't wait for them to redo the floor.

Ben is keeping a great attitude about the situation and yes, he like the killer, wants to grow up to be like me one day

This whole post was dedicated to you missing me Raul
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 17, 2008, 01:53:03 PM
Scots will be fine! RDL will work his magic... As to you Mr.Watts I am happy to see you are playing again. Your Rocky Top Team could have used you.

I do want to be with you " I just got married" :( :'( :-\ lol.. Alumni game 3 months away!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2008, 02:45:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 16, 2008, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on July 16, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
well, I have received the clearance from RDL and now for the bad news.  Two of the scots players are likely out for the season.  Ben Williamson has torn his ACL and is going to have surgery.  On top of that, freshman Wes Lambert has broken his ankle and will miss most of the year.
Medical redshirt for both of them...right?

Not even needed since the season hasn't started yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 17, 2008, 04:05:21 PM
Phooey! 

Opportunity time for some shooters to step up.  Any nominations out there?

Broken ankles are not all the same, so maybe this break is not the really bad kind and Wes can play this year.  Without Ben, that might be useful.

I do not know of any Not Awful ACL injuries
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 17, 2008, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2008, 02:45:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 16, 2008, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on July 16, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
well, I have received the clearance from RDL and now for the bad news.  Two of the scots players are likely out for the season.  Ben Williamson has torn his ACL and is going to have surgery.  On top of that, freshman Wes Lambert has broken his ankle and will miss most of the year.
Medical redshirt for both of them...right?

Not even needed since the season hasn't started yet.
Thanks!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on July 17, 2008, 06:56:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2008, 02:45:33 PM
Not even needed since the season hasn't started yet.

Well, for me, it is a matter of respect for all 3 of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 18, 2008, 03:19:48 AM
This ankle break was one of those pretty dang bad ones... Grubb's moves were breaking ankles and tearing knees.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 18, 2008, 09:56:26 AM
Ban Grubb from open gym!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2008, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on July 17, 2008, 06:56:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2008, 02:45:33 PM
Not even needed since the season hasn't started yet.

Well, for me, it is a matter of respect for all 3 of them.

I was saying that there is no need for a medical redshirt.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on July 18, 2008, 12:24:56 PM
OK, I thought you meant waiting to say until he felt cleared.


Can't ban Grubb from Open Gym. These guys have to know what they can grow up to be like if they work hard enough!!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 18, 2008, 02:55:30 PM
It is too bad that the two young men who got hurt were among the ones who were really working hard this summer.  Can't be good enough to lead the Scots into the NCAA tournament without hard work and hard work increases the  chances you get hurt.  It is safer on the couch but that's not what it takes!  I hope the others do not come to the wrong conclusions about the necessity of getting ready.

I wonder if the rest of the first year players really understand the differences from high school that they are going to encounter as they learn how to play for RDL....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 20, 2008, 11:54:39 AM
some of the freshmen are working hard and doing really well, there is a lot of hard work out of this group for such a young group

RDL has tried to ban me from open gym many times, but the problem is i am usually number 10 in the gym
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 20, 2008, 11:32:09 PM
well, there could be some hope from young lambert yet.  He is actually not even sure if it is broken, but the doctor says there could be some ligament damage which would be equally bad.  I think he goes to the doctor for an MRI on Mon or Tues.  Let's hope it isn't as serious as it seemed.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 21, 2008, 09:28:39 AM
I may not have the best team in the world but I do have the best baby in the world.  We have been blessed with the happiest baby I have ever seen.  He eats and sleeps with such vigor that it is awe inspiring.  My summer travel has really put a damper on my summer league play.  We are 3-1 with the only loss coming in the game that I played in.  We got two games this week and hopefully losing with me is not a pattern.  Our PG situation should be better than it ever has been this season and beyond.  Still no dominate size but continued developement in the post.  Injuries are something that everyone has to deal with and it won't be the first time that Maryville has had to do it.  Not many people outside of the Scot domain know that Raul played his entire senior season with a hang nail on his pinky finger.  That guy is a beast...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 21, 2008, 10:44:04 AM
Warren G you are the man! :) ;) It was a real serious injury. Could you imagine if I was healthy, we only won 45 games my two years at MC.. ;D

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/jul/05/hopson-vs-smith-made-rocky-royal/  Final Rocky Top Stats... Finished Top 10 in FTs and 3pts.(not a good %) Averaged 15ppg and 7apg. Not to shabbbbbbby for a Cuban who is turning 27 and is friends with Brent Watts. It takes a special person to stay on the phone with that guy. ;)

I hope to see Jordan Damron and Wes Lambert in it next year..

I think Dustin Brown from Heritage High School, could help if he puts his mind to it. Needs to be more agressive!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 21, 2008, 01:55:29 PM
notice in those stats, that my team was way up there in all the stats
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 21, 2008, 02:15:18 PM
corect but once again your team did not make the playoffs!!! ;) And may also add you are 0-2 against the Killa!! hahahahahahaha...

You did lose 3 games by 4 or less points! You just need RDL magic late in games! I believe he is selling the secret potion for 499.95

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 24, 2008, 08:19:31 PM
After an MRI on Wes Lambert's ankle it was found to be badly sprained and not broken.  He is spending 3 weeks in a boot and rehabing after that but it looks better that the original prognosis.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 01, 2008, 08:20:27 PM
Raul is old and married, well at least his basketball game is
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 03, 2008, 04:27:32 PM
keep running that mouth!! Alumni game is 2 months away!! We will beat you by more than 20!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 03, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
where were u tonight, you would have seen that i look old and married, with that said, my team will repeat in the alumni game this and Rodney lane is on my team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 04, 2008, 02:21:43 PM
Message from the Alumni to anyone who has met Brent Watts:

In no way, shape, or form do the Student-Athletes of Maryville College act in that way. We apologize if you have met this man. We will try as a family and community to mold him into the True Scot that we know he can become. We have many mountains to climb but we love him as a son and are willing to help him.

If you have any interesting suggestions on how we should approach this delicate case please fell free to post!

BRENT WE LOVE YOU! RANDY LOVES YOU!! WALLACE LOVES YOU!! BEATY LOVES YOU!! TUMMY LOVES YOU!! Housewright loves you! TU NOVIA does not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :o(Wallace told me to put that)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 04, 2008, 06:42:04 PM
mi esposa wallace, ay dios mio

The Grubby One is a True Scot 2.0, this is where the scots are headed.

Also, I have a new favorite player to replace Orr/Hernandez.  His name will be released to the public soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 11, 2008, 10:09:17 AM
Covenant and Berry (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3880.1464) have begun the process to join D3. (Post # 1464)

They are starting provisional status in 2009.  Their games would count in 2011-12 and would be NCAA tourney eligible in 2013-14.

Here are two likely candidates to join the GSAC, or "the USASouth Southern Division".


Thanks to pabegg for tracking this down!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 13, 2008, 08:07:19 AM
The AD's for LaGrange and Piedmont have had a meeting with Covenant's people this summer.  That is a good decision for them.  We would seem like the only conference choice for them.  Berry could have hopes for a better academic conference such as the SCAC but who knows.  It would make my scheduling a lot less painful to add those guys for one more each a year.  It would also help if they weren't giving scholarships, obviously.  That would still leave the men one team short of an AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 13, 2008, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on August 13, 2008, 08:07:19 AM
The AD's for LaGrange and Piedmont have had a meeting with Covenant's people this summer.  That is a good decision for them.  We would seem like the only conference choice for them.  Berry could have hopes for a better academic conference such as the SCAC but who knows.  It would make my scheduling a lot less painful to add those guys for one more each a year.  It would also help if they weren't giving scholarships, obviously.  That would still leave the men one team short of an AQ.
Berry presents a challenge to the SCAC.  If one looks at all of the "beauty contest" grades that the college reference services give, then Berry is a better fit than Oglethorpe.  The SCAC has said that it is happy with 12 teams.  Where will the SCAC find an acceptable number of "travel partners"?  (Centenary LA went thru a basketball coaching change and one of the criteria was staying in D-I.)

Can Oglethorpe continue to spend that amount of money on travel?  If there is a viable option for "NCAA Division III" in the south that wasn't there in 1991 (i.e., the GSAC or a "merged" USA South) when Oglethorpe joined the SCAC, might a Berry for Oglethorpe arrangment be made?  Just thoughts!
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Post by: bballlover on August 13, 2008, 12:11:59 PM
what kind of a timetable are we looking at that these schools might make a decision?
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Post by: Spencer Beaty on August 14, 2008, 01:12:34 PM
even better news on Wes.  He is now walking around very comfortably without any support brace.  He is also participating in light workouts; a speedy recovery is just what MC needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 14, 2008, 03:27:44 PM
If Berry and Covenant and Oglethorpe were to join the GSAC, then Berry and Oglethorpe could think they are the best academic schools in the conference instead of being also-rans in the SCAC.   Sounds like a plan!!   
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Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2008, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: bballlover on August 13, 2008, 12:11:59 PM
what kind of a timetable are we looking at that these schools might make a decision?
Exploratory in 08-09.
If they wish to continue, then they would be first year provisional in 09-10.
Games versus the two schools would count as regional games in 11-12, and they would be full NCAA members in 13-14, assuming that they hit all criteria.
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Post by: bballlover on August 15, 2008, 02:35:19 PM
I know I'm showing my ignorance but,can they back out at any time and stay NAIA or is there a point of no return?
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Post by: GSAC Killer on August 17, 2008, 03:21:02 PM
ALUMNI GAME OCTOBER 17th!!! @7pm..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2008, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: bballlover on August 15, 2008, 02:35:19 PM
I know I'm showing my ignorance but,can they back out at any time and stay NAIA or is there a point of no return?
Good question...

The exploratory year lets them consider whether they wish to move forward.

They can back out at anytime once they are in the provisional process, but getting back into the NCAA after backing out once might not be possible.  Practically speaking and IMHO, entering the provisional process should be the institution's mental "point-of-no-return".  :)
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Post by: Spencer Beaty on August 20, 2008, 11:43:38 AM
work has started up on replacing the existing court at MC.  I think they are putting the volleyball lines on the center court, which I am not too excited about.  However, I am excited about them naming the court after the great Randy Dean Lambert
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Post by: scotswin on August 20, 2008, 09:55:08 PM
That's what happens when you appoint the volleyball coach to Athletic Director.
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Post by: mattgrubb on August 20, 2008, 10:51:14 PM
I always really liked the volleyball court they played on for the past 5 or so years, that court was lined specifically for volleyball and the bball court lines were faded out and i thought the limited seating they had gave them a great home court advantage.  i always thought it was better to play in front on 200 fans when there where only 150 seats than 200 fans and 1500 seats.  Times change and if thats what they want to do, go for it, it could be awesome.  Hopefully, the Murvul volleyball teams wins the national title.

On to important things, The killer's wedding reception is saturday and the grubby one went to Target to shop for the killer's presents.  The grubby one did everything right.  He got the registry and went to town, until he stopped to actually read everything on the registry.  Here are some of the things the killer registered for at Target:
1Imperial Pillow-Rocky River
2Wall Clock Photo Frame Clock
3Bobby Golden's drop step serving for 8
4Duracell D alkaline battery-2pack
5Kendal Wallace's personality 4pack
6lamp shade small white pleat
7Brent Watts's jump shot set of 2
8Pyrex original 8 piece bakeware set
9Randy Lambert's looks size 4

this should be one heck of a reception, but i don't know if a thank you card is enough if they get some of those gifts on that list.  I will update everyone on the highlights of his reception.

My new favorite player to be announced soon.
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Post by: GSAC Killer on August 21, 2008, 01:36:21 PM
You are a clown!!! That was really funny though. I know who your favorite player is.. He is a Rodney Nelson special..

By the way Mr.Watts you are not allowed to bring TR as your date!!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 22, 2008, 03:14:41 PM
Killer,
go ahead and give me some Karma for that last post.
TR will not be my date, he is more like a father figure/Role Model.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on August 22, 2008, 04:57:53 PM
TR will not be available Saturday as he is "in training" to play in the Alumni game in October. He also will be at Hooters trying to get a number for Killer right up until the time the gauntlet falls.

As for a father figure in regards to Maryville's best available able to create his own shot when the motion offense ran up against the clock, TR would probably be more inclined to claim Matt Ennen, who dated Shiela Evans while in college and hit the shot that kept Hampden-Sydney an "all-boys" school.

Big Dog
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Post by: Spencer Beaty on August 23, 2008, 04:22:37 PM
if you haven't seen the new Randy Lambert court be prepped for a real treat.  IT'S NICE!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on August 26, 2008, 10:17:25 AM
A sad day in Scots country. Jim Campbell passed away. He did all the basketball and football games on the radio with George DeBaby. He was a great person with an incredible sense of humor! He will be missed!

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=18&id=2562
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Post by: coachwgh on August 26, 2008, 04:56:12 PM
A real first class guy.  I will miss seeing him this season.  The Panthers send thoughts and prayers out to the Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on August 26, 2008, 07:04:03 PM
No one was or is a better human being than anyone I have met.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 27, 2008, 01:21:26 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on August 26, 2008, 07:04:03 PM
No one was or is a better human being than anyone I have met.

Huh?  Nice imitation of Yogi Berra ...

Reminds me of this Yogiism ...

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."

Here are a few more, enjoy.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/y/yogi_berra.html

My sympathies to the Campbell family.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on August 27, 2008, 02:03:59 PM
thanks i just got a little confused writing that one.  definitely didn't even read my statements before posting.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 28, 2008, 12:29:30 AM
he will be missed by all of the scots
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Post by: Spencer Beaty on September 03, 2008, 03:49:42 PM
Word from the Scots camp, there are several freshman that have been present surprises and could expect to see some significant playing time.  Chris Queen should get some good minutes in the post, and you can't forget about Jordan Damron and Wes Lambert competing with Jared and Eryk for minutes.
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Post by: bballlover on September 03, 2008, 04:15:57 PM
That could be big news.Does anyone remember the last time RDL played three Freshmen significant minutes in the same season?
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Post by: mattgrubb on September 04, 2008, 10:50:20 PM
not something i would look forward to with the scots schedule, randy wins with a system and not talent alone, we will need the upper classmen to be a big presence this season.

Good news from the Williamson Camp, Ben is doing really well with his rehab.

My favorite player is now Hernandez/......
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on September 08, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
It might be Hernandez/Laverdiere.  That would be quite a combo.  Personally, I like the freshman sensation DamLam.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 09, 2008, 10:33:03 AM
My favorite Soccer player is Dave Big D Large...

My favorite basketball player is Brent Watts
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Post by: scotswin on September 09, 2008, 09:53:22 PM
I wonder if spencer beaty knows that he scored on the infrequent poster scotswin in the recent alumni game.  He was lucky, I was screened...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on September 10, 2008, 08:45:37 PM
Not so sure about the screen but I was sure about the goal.
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Post by: MCScotsFan on September 12, 2008, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on October 09, 2006, 11:29:52 PM

Mr. Grubb, if you play anything like the Killer, I'd love to see it.  8)  Maybe MC should host an alumni game for homecoming.
And darn, I thought you were going to say you were the streaker!!  ;) :D

Quoting myself here but this is a really great  moment to me: I made this post back in 10/06 asking for an alumni game and got it that same year! However, it was not held at homecoming which I think is only 'fair' for the alumni to see during exciting homecoming weekend.
So, this year I receive the Homecoming program in the mail and what is listed?!? An alumni game on Homecoming weekend. I have not been on this board and did not know this so I am beyond thrilled!

Thanks Watts and Raul for your work on bringing us an alumni game for the last 2 years and bringing it to Homecoming weekend. You all are fun to watch as are the rest of the players and MC fans really enjoy it. We loved it back then and we love it now. Plus, we're glad to see you old guys can still run up and down the court.  ;) Really, though. Thanks.
I hope many of the schools in the GSAC try to give their fans an alumni game too.


Oh and I am thrilled to out of that dungeon and watching the Lady Scots Volleyball on center court. Coach Schram has done an amazing job during her coaching v-ball at MC and I am thankful for air conditioning and some space to watch those matches. The team she has this year is very strong so y'all should come on out to center court, RDL court, and cheer them on.
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Post by: coachwgh on September 12, 2008, 10:59:25 PM
LaGrange has showcased an alumni game on homecoming for the 12 years I have been involved with the school in one capacity or another but...not this year.  We have a little thing called a 1:00 football game and a million other events that we cannot interfere with so we are going to do informal meet and greats at our 10/17 & 10/18 practice. 

Maybe if the GSAC dissolves we could join the NEAC like UDallas.  Now that is what I call placing importance on athletics.  UDallas cares about giving their student-athletes a fair avenue to compete for a national tournament appearances.  At first read, I thought what a half-wit idea, but upon second thought I really applaud their effort.  I have made the statement a few times that getting on a bus to the SLIAC like our football team will be doing for the first time this season would be fine with me.  Those of you that don't understand that statement haven't talked to RDL, Lee Glenn, Mike Pugh or myself about scheduling 19 non-conference games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on September 13, 2008, 09:55:12 AM
Football?!  :D Oh yeah, that does sometimes get in the way. ;D

As much as we love Country's BBQ, we're apt to show up for homecoming at LaGrange! Although we have a LaGrange kid telling  us there really is a better place. I suppose we'll have to investigate.

I really think alumni games are fun for everyone. The players (past and present), the fans and the kids who come. Of course, I'd like announcers to skim over the plays for me because I do not know all of the old time greats and that would be hard to do, I'm sure.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2008, 10:45:41 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on September 12, 2008, 10:59:25 PM
LaGrange has showcased an alumni game on homecoming for the 12 years I have been involved with the school in one capacity or another but...not this year.  We have a little thing called a 1:00 football game and a million other events that we cannot interfere with so we are going to do informal meet and greats at our 10/17 & 10/18 practice. 

Maybe if the GSAC dissolves we could join the NEAC like UDallas.  Now that is what I call placing importance on athletics.  UDallas cares about giving their student-athletes a fair avenue to compete for a national tournament appearances.  At first read, I thought what a half-wit idea, but upon second thought I really applaud their effort.  I have made the statement a few times that getting on a bus to the SLIAC like our football team will be doing for the first time this season would be fine with me.  Those of you that don't understand that statement haven't talked to RDL, Lee Glenn, Mike Pugh or myself about scheduling 19 non-conference games. 
I was surprised about UDallas joining the NEAC.  UDallas has earned Pool B bids in the last 7 years...men's hoops in 2004 and women's soccer more recently.  I think that they will be competitive in the NEAC.

They (UDallas) have not attracted the attention of the SCAC, even after they added a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.

They have continually spurned the ASC and attempts to schedule games at the least or to return to the ASC for whatever reason (so some intense enmity must exist there.)

Didn't the GSAC ultimately decline to extend an invitation to UDallas about 4 years ago, when Thomas More and UDallas were available?

I will understand if you must join the NEAC to gain access to the post-season.  (I hope that you can go in as the southern division of the USASouth, with Covenant and Berry.)
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Post by: MCSID on September 19, 2008, 10:44:50 AM
Maryville College Basketball Alumni Tip-Off Tournament

Maryville College (TN) is hosting their annual MC Basketball Alumni Tip-Off Tournament. They are looking for two teams for the weekend of November 21, 2009. Games will be played in a classic format.

November 21
5:00 LaGrange vs Team 1
7:00 Maryville vs Team 2

November 22
2:00 LaGrange vs Team 2
4:00 Maryville vs Team 1

Each team will receive:
A.) Two nights lodging (8 rooms) only 10 minutes from campus
B.) $500.00 financial guarantee
C.) Post game pizzas delivered to the gym
D.) Tournament commemorative T-shirts
E.) MVP and All-Tournament Team awards

The college is located in East Tennessee and is twenty minutes from Knoxville and the Great Smoky Mountains. Knoxville's airport (McGhee Tyson) is only 10 minutes from campus. If interested, contact Randy Lambert at randy.lambert@maryvillecollege.edu or 865-981-8287.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 19, 2008, 11:29:48 AM
What happened to the LaGrange tournament w/ H-S and VA Wes?  Who chickened out?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2008, 05:12:49 PM
Coach Haynes, I hope that you had the chance to enjoy a road trip win with the oblate spheroid over Murvul today!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 01, 2008, 11:13:52 AM
Just wanted to remind everyone in Scots country that the Lambert court dedication and alumni game are a little over two weeks away on Oct. 17th.  The court dedication and events will be hosted by Jack Roberts mixed in with a little Jack Daniels, as usual.  If you have any questions please contact the legendary Kendal Wallace in the mens basketball office.  I will post his cell number if anyone needs it.
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Post by: GSAC Killer on October 03, 2008, 10:30:19 AM
can't wait for oct 17th!! We got it this year!! Series is tied 1-1.. By the way just wanted to send a huge congrats to my main man Kendall Wallace for getting MARRIED!! Welcome to Club Muerte!!

Watts has changed his name to Skinny Watts since he has lost 25lbs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 06, 2008, 10:30:17 AM
11 days till ALUMNI GAME!!
With Housewright and Coach Wallace I can't go wrong. Teams will be picked the day of the game.

Both team captains will meet in RDL's office and pick!! Since I am Cuban I have the first pick!!

BBall Season is almost here!! Thank goodness...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 06, 2008, 10:47:01 AM
With the LaGrange schedule coming out (not too many pushovers there) Who do y'all think has the toughest schedule in the GSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 06, 2008, 01:00:05 PM
I think Murvul has a very tough schedule with some of the scholarship schools they are playing, but i always think the other GSAC schools have a tougher schedule b/c they always have Murvul on their schedule twice
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Post by: bballlover on October 06, 2008, 02:53:03 PM
Ha Ha funny. While I would agree playing Maryville twice makes any schedule more difficult and I would agree MC has a tough schedule ( Three games at home before Mid-January) Just because it is a Scholarship school does not make them a national power.In fact other than C/N I would think The Scholarship schools are the easy part of the schedule.No way is the Bryan game tougher than say Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 06, 2008, 06:05:28 PM
well said
but the scholarship schools early in the season are tougher in my opinion b/c talent wins games before xmas and systems win games after xmas

CN is by no means a national power
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 07, 2008, 10:01:00 AM
i must agree with the grubby one. MC always has a better second half. We own CN the last three years!! Of MC first 15 games 12 are on the road! That is extremely tough but they go 12-3 they will be fine! They will sweep the GSAC once again.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 07, 2008, 11:40:19 AM
Do you think that always playing beter in the second half has anything to do with that's when you play the other GSAC teams?Sounds a little like UT football. For years the UT fans have said " We always play good in November". Well duh. They played Memphis, Vandy, & Kentucky.Everyone knows the rest of the GSAC is chasing MC. They should go 6-0. With that said it makes the early season that much more important if they are going to avoid going to Jackson, MS in March.Going 12-3 in the first 15 which should lead to 22-3 IMO should be enough to host. But going 12-3 , while attainable, will be tough with that schedule.
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Post by: bballlover on October 07, 2008, 11:53:49 AM
By the way, I think the LaGrange & Piedmont schedules are also very tough.
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Post by: coachwgh on October 07, 2008, 02:40:32 PM
1st thought is that anyone who has to schedule 19 non-conference games is going to have a tough schedule.  2nd thought is that sometimes with scheduling it's not who you play but when you play them.  If anyone is curious about how my little boy is doing here is a way to check up on him.  www.lifeandtimesofharperhaynes.com
One more week and it's back to the fun.  I am really looking forward to getting better.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2008, 02:48:03 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on October 07, 2008, 02:40:32 PM
1st thought is that anyone who has to schedule 19 non-conference games is going to have a tough schedule.  2nd thought is that sometimes with scheduling it's not who you play but when you play them.  If anyone is curious about how my little boy is doing here is a way to check up on him.  www.lifeandtimesofharperhaynes.com
One more week and it's back to the fun.  I am really looking forward to getting better.
I can only think of one thing to say to that picture...

War Eagle!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2008, 09:32:45 AM
Fisk accepted in the NAIA. (http://naia.cstv.com/genrel/100708aag.html)

Best wishes.

I am also happy for Philander Smith in Little Rock.  That may help their program as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 09, 2008, 02:11:32 PM
In a recent interview with Greg Hernandez, he told me that he was going to dominate in the paint this year, but he has been working on his 3 ball from the new collegiate line.  Sounds like Hernandez might be the sweet shooter this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 09, 2008, 03:51:29 PM
Here's a link that some of you might be interested in.   

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=awqFJCU2ElNo&refer=home
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 10, 2008, 10:29:07 AM
Hey, oldlion.  I see where you were online early this morning, but didn't post.  Thanks for everything you continue to do for me.  What is it ... about three years now?  Peace
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Post by: GSAC Killer on October 10, 2008, 02:56:04 PM
Alumni Game a WEEK AWAY!!
Here are potentially what Mr.Watts and myself will be picking from:

Bobby Golden
Bradley Blair
Alex Bowers
Quinn Bradley
Jeremy Holliday
Jonathan Johnson

Josh Tummell
Adriel McCord
Chris Housewright
Teaun Winton
Rodney Lane

Sidney Ellis
Eric Ardouin
Keldric Glass
Montay Calloway
Andy Chaney
Jeff McCord
Walden Buttram

K Rich
Babotu (Not sure on the spelling)

It is going to be fun to see all the guys who started the Scot tradition next week. By the way I don't know what else we have to prove that we are a legit Top 15 program every year! We would play anyone, anywhere, anyplace but nobody wants to play us. We put up a request of offering money,lodging and other stuff and teams will not come down. SO WE PLAY WHO IS ON OUR SCHEDULE AND DOMINATE!!
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Post by: mattgrubb on October 11, 2008, 10:36:04 PM
All I know is that there are some guys that are in great shape for this year's alumni game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on October 13, 2008, 10:37:11 AM
Give me the time again. I can't find my schedule. ::)

The alumni game will be great! Have you told Cooper to put it in Blount Today? A lot of locals read that plus alot of the older alumni read it. They have been mighty faithful to MC B-ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 14, 2008, 10:57:53 AM
Midnight madness anywhere tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 14, 2008, 02:36:31 PM
Bballover, what are you hearing out of Demorest these days?  Have the guys been working hard, getting ready?  I hope so, that schedule is tough ... especially early.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 14, 2008, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: hasanova on October 10, 2008, 10:29:07 AM
Hey, oldlion.  I see where you were online early this morning, but didn't post.  Thanks for everything you continue to do for me.  What is it ... about three years now?  Peace
I see I owe you once more for today.  Thanks, again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 14, 2008, 06:21:51 PM
7:00 friday Randy D Lambert court dedication
8:00 tip off

the killer sounded nervous on the phone today, like he was not ready for friday
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 14, 2008, 07:12:54 PM
midnight madness tonight at midnight at cooper.  Get Ready!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 14, 2008, 08:14:31 PM
Don't worry about the killer!! Killer made a cameo at the Redemption league and had 16 pts in 3 minutes of action.. :o

The killer has done his homework and will draft the right players to increase his alumni record to 2-1... :)

It will be a blast!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 15, 2008, 08:10:14 AM
old-lion,with the new guys out numbering the old guys i think they have spent the whole preseason just trying to learn all the new names.it will be interesting to see how quickly they will be able to gel.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 15, 2008, 10:26:37 AM
I attended midnight madness last night, and I was happy with what I saw.  The only thing I wasn't happy with was seeing Ben Williamson in street clothes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on October 15, 2008, 12:42:41 PM
Thanks for the time. HC weekend is so exciting and it sounds like it is going to a beautiful weekend weatherwise!

Grubb, I bet the Killer is trying to play mind games with you,   ;D. I am excited to see all of you play again.

Williamson in streetclothes is a depressing thought. I loved watching him on the court. Funny how some players just are ''fun" to watch out there. I think that was what so many people loved about Raul--he was so fun to watch--entertaining and a standout on the court. People in the stands were always talking! OK, luvfest is over  ;) just bring it all to the court for us Friday you guys!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 15, 2008, 11:24:16 PM
Let's go ahead and get it started early this year with the Grubby One's take on the pictures of Midnight Madness scots style.

1. yes the first jab is at a freshman, Maverick can't dunk, pics don't lie, now he might be able to beat me up but that is beside the point.  Randy will improve his dunking skills. and this kid has a lot of talent.
2. Eryk "Randy" Watson is a baller and probably GSAC player of the year.
3. Is that the shadow of Greg Hernandez in those pics, he looks like he might be in shape, i know the killer has his reputation riding on this kid
4. My new favorite player has a familiar face and freshman combined into one:  Lambert/Hernandez
yes, the wesman has already made the cut and he has not played a game yet. Think of the talent and intelligence of this player, size, speed, shooting, great hands, great looks, my favorite player will dominate the GSAC

Here is my all gsac team at the end of the year

POY- Randy Watson
1Greg Hernandez
2Lil Chrissy Orr
3Wes Lambert
4 The Grubby One, the rules will be bent for my posting talent

I can already taste victory in the alumni game

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 16, 2008, 08:30:08 AM
Just finished my workout! had Housewright,sidney,Montay,Walden,Bobby,McCord,JJ at practice. Our motion offense looks great and we will be running our 1-2-2 press! ;)

I am real happy for RDL and being recognized for a career that will be hard to duplicate!! Congrats Lambo.. Well enough with the cute sweet stuff. It is time to play BALL!!!

Watts you might have lost weight but it still can't help you stop the KILLER!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 16, 2008, 12:13:22 PM
i will admit the killer is still skinnier than me and quicker and probably better looking, but i think when he finds out that I signed him up for the Hair Replacement Club to help him get his life back.  Just like the commercials, after he gets his hair back he will be able to dunk.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 16, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
Bald is in!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 16, 2008, 08:43:30 PM
I heard that Lambert/Hernandez, my favorite player, holding a ceremony at half time of the alumni game to dedicate their efforts this season to the Grubby One. The Grubby One will humbly accept this honor.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 17, 2008, 09:01:58 AM
Wes Parker has been added to the Piedmont staff as an assistant.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: thisdogwillhunt on October 17, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
Watts this is DAD. Sorry can't make it or play saturday due to our own practice. Hope all goes well and always remember your game is where it is because of me!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 17, 2008, 02:30:34 PM
Dad,
I would be nothing without you and no one knows this better than me.  You will be missed tonight, but we will be in downtown Murvul all night, call Randy if you want to come join us about 4 AM
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 17, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
looks like Landon Baize has been added to the LaGrange staff as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on October 17, 2008, 11:09:12 PM
Hmm...looks like those mind games worked, eh, Mr. Grubb?  ;) :D
You all looked great out there. Then you all looked tired...real tired.  ;D
Enjoyed Randy telling us who was who. It was a lot of fun to see you all back out on the court--even if it looked like the A.McCord and Calloway Show!
Thanks for putting it all together. Truly, it gets better every year.

Nice dedication to RDL. He is such a class act and what that man said was true. Early 80's were the ''dead years" at MC. It was really ugly back then.

How many days til the season starts?!!

Congrats to Parker and Baize on their positions. Baize'll get some good BBQ down at LaGrange!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 18, 2008, 01:15:09 PM
TEAM PLACERES WINS THE ALUMNI GAME 88-87!! It was a lot of fun and it was nice to see all the different players from different years.

Watts you will just have to wait 365 more days to get back at me. ;D

TEAM PLACERES WINS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 18, 2008, 08:44:34 PM
The killer gets to wear the dad pants for the next year

It was good to see about 40 or so alumni there, i counted 40 at one point at the after party and people were coming and going, it was a blast.  I hope coach lambert enjoyed it.  I know Jack Roberts did.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 19, 2008, 02:42:31 PM
half of the lambert/hernandez beast is on the mend.  Wes hurt his ankle and will be out a couple weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 21, 2008, 10:04:39 AM
Hernandez will be able to go it alone if he must, never underestimate a Murvul Scot
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 21, 2008, 10:07:16 AM
Is it the same ankle he hurt this summer?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 22, 2008, 07:04:35 PM
no the other one
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 22, 2008, 11:53:26 PM
he is back to better.  Wes is a quick healer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 23, 2008, 05:38:21 PM
the grubby one is very excited to see the scots at the first team receiving votes spot, aka, 26, i think that is a good spot for them with what they lost to graduation and injury.  from what i have seen they have a good team but a very tough schedule, like 1 home game before xmas.  Randy will have these guys ready though.

Killer, congrats on your alumni game victory
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 23, 2008, 10:27:12 PM
MC's schedule is the most brutal thing I have ever seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 27, 2008, 10:26:57 AM
My take on MC's scrimmage with Tusculum.  Tusculum runs a very different system than any basketball team I have seen MC play.  They picked off the ball almost constantly trying to get 10 open for a 3.  He killed us...we never hedged a screen or doubled 10 off of a screen.  When 10 is on the court that is who was going to take a shot more than likely.  They never dumped it off the screen to their posts or anything inside.  We were a little rusty on offense.  I was pleased with the hustle for sure.  It is hard to give a POG for that game, but Jared hustled on defense extremely well and looked like he has been working on his shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 27, 2008, 02:16:23 PM
Spence,

Who won the scrimmage?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 27, 2008, 08:23:12 PM
well there were 3 seperate halves.  Tusculum watched the only two i watched, but the second one was close.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on October 28, 2008, 12:01:32 AM
Piedmont has a pretty tough schedule as well. They open up with Mercer which will be a very good contest. I hope this team does well. They have some size and from what I hear they are extremely coachable.

Alumni game is Nov 15th at 3pm. in Demorest.

Old Lion,

You should come catch a high school game. We (Webb) are going to have a good team this year. We play Baylor in Chattanooga which is most likely the closest to you. Come up and watch. You would like the way the head coach does things. In Wesley Parkers words "He is tight."

http://www.webbschool.org/podium/default.aspx?t=102889

Click on Varsity Boys in the drop down box.

Im pulling for Stafford and the Dawgs this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 28, 2008, 12:31:04 PM
KC22,

Good to hear from you.  I don't know if I'll make it to Chattanooga or not.   But maybe I'll see you at the Alumni game.  I have a feeling that may be a function of what time kickoff is in the Ga/Auburn game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on October 28, 2008, 12:41:19 PM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on October 28, 2008, 12:01:32 AM

Im pulling for Stafford and the Dawgs this weekend.


That's good to hear ... I'm glad to see that you haven't succumbed to the nefarious influences of Messrs. Walker and Kemmerer.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on October 29, 2008, 02:41:47 PM
KC22,
Do you plan to continue the well rehearsed Webb tradition of loosing to Catholic (not just referring to basketball)?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 29, 2008, 10:13:27 PM
That is for sure...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on October 30, 2008, 02:11:43 PM
Scotswin,

Im an assistant basketball coach at Webb. Im just focused on the boys basketball team. We split with Catholic last year. Both games this year should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on October 30, 2008, 07:46:15 PM
I know from reading your previous posts that you are coaching at Webb.  I used to be a head coach at Catholic (not basketball), so I saw an opportunity for a little good natured ribbing.  Webb would be a nice place to start a coaching career, so good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on October 30, 2008, 09:32:26 PM
I really like Webb. I couldn't have asked for a better place to start out coaching. Ive learned a great deal under Coach Kosmalski.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 01, 2008, 12:15:43 AM
I am pretty sure this is a College basketball site not coacht.  as a veteran poster I know I have had my fair share of off topic posts so I am just warning you all.  Negative Karma will be bestowed upon you unless you talk more GSAC bball than anything else.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 01, 2008, 11:28:26 AM
OK Spence, here is a gsac topic for you ... how about Jeremy Pittman apparently back for his 2nd Sr season at Huntingdon?

Not good news for the rest of the gsac ... the guy is a beast ... I'd have to say he is the gsac's top returning player.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 01, 2008, 03:20:04 PM
Ive played against Jeremy Pittman several times in summer leagues. He is from my hometown (Valdosta, Ga.) Although I never played against him in the GSAC (My senior year was 2006-2007), he is a very athletic player and a great defender. Extremely strong and tough. He is very good at getting to the basket.

However I would say his attitude is extremely poor when things aren't going his way. Im sure he makes things interesting for his coach.

I remember during the summer of 2005 we played ball against each other in Valdosta. He was enrolled at Enterprise Jr. College in Alabama. He told me "Man Im going D1, Im not playing at a D3 school." My how times have changed.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 01, 2008, 07:16:34 PM
Hey KC22,

How about Urban Meyer calling 2 timeouts with under a minute to go ... real class, huh? And I thought Spurrier was an a$$hole ... I think Urban may have surpassed him.

Let me be the first to post this rumor ... Urban is the illegitimate love child of Spurrier and Lou Holtz.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 01, 2008, 10:43:01 PM
That might be the case, but can he shoot.  Eryk has improved his shot tremendously this summer.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 02, 2008, 09:42:12 AM
He is a decent shooter. Nothing that I would emphasize in my scouting report.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 03, 2008, 10:43:14 AM
better than last year when he never took a shot from deep.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 03, 2008, 11:19:35 AM
Watson was second only to Bowers last year in shots taken. With Ben going down can you foresee him putting up  twenty or more shots per game?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 03, 2008, 04:13:42 PM
No, he will still work within the system.  Both Lambert and Hernandez put up 18 in a scrimmage against Lees-Mcrae.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 04, 2008, 07:44:40 AM
Lambert/Hernandez put up 36 shots? The Grubby One must be in Scot Heaven.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 04, 2008, 08:39:01 AM
36 points... they definitely didn't shoot that much.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 05, 2008, 10:50:03 AM
Hey Doug, it is a great day in America and for your fellow Tennesseans.

PRESIDENT - ELECT BARACK OBAMA  

Good luck to the GSAC on its upcoming season...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 05, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Thanks Wilburt.  I was just thinking of you, knowing you'd be, shall we say, "encouraged."  Me too.  Sometimes I envy people who do not live in red states.  Then again, several million folks used to and now don't, so there is hope (to borrow a phrase).

I wish Fisk well.  And of course the Scots and the rest of the GSAC.  If an African-American can be President, maybe the GSAC can become a real basketball conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 05, 2008, 01:53:08 PM
Hi Wilburt,

It's good to hear from you ... I hope you and yours are doing well.  I'll be praying for Obama, he certainly has some tremendous challenges ahead of him. 

But here's an opposing (and ironic) view point for you and Doug to consider.  One of the things I found so appealing about Obama initially was the he seemed to be a "different type of politician" ... he makes a great impression, appears to be candid and straight forward, etc., etc, ...  Heck, I'd love to go play a little bball with him and then go have a few beers afterward ... he seems like a great guy.

Here's the ironic part ... now I'm hoping that, at least in one negative way, he's just like the vast majority of politicians ... in that he'll say anything to get elected ... and then will do something entirely different, once he's in office and faced with cold, hard facts. Because if he doesn't ... we're screwed.  I'm referring, of course, to his promised fiscal policies.

If he actually follows through with his promises relative to taxes and entitlement programs ... we are all in deep do. Just look at most of socialist, Western Europe ... you only have to have moderate intelligence and be half way paying attention to realize how similar policies are working out over there ... not well!!  :o

The problem is, the majority of people are not "half way paying attention."  All they heard was, "He's going to give me stuff and cut taxes on 95% of us."  (I've heard it said that a key watershed moment, a declining point, in all the world's great democracies was when the masses realized they had the power to freely vote themselves benefits ... and leave the costs/repercussions for someone else, future generations, to deal with.) 

With apologies to those whom this statement may offend ... how can anyone be so simple minded as to think you can raise taxes on corporations and the rich ... and not have a negative impact on the rest of us?  Do they think corporations/the rich exist in a vacuum?   Let's see ... how might corporations/the rich  react to such fiscal policies?  Some possibilities ... raise prices, cut benefits to employees, layoff people, leave the US for a more tax friendly environment, etc., etc. ... or some combination of all of the above?  All bad news for the rest of us.  Be careful what you wish for ...

Yeah, I'm praying for Obama ... praying that he turns out to be your typical, duplicitous politician ... ironic, huh?  :-\

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 05, 2008, 03:04:19 PM
Old Lion:

You bring up some good points (even though you sound like Joe the Plumber). I am encouraged by folks on both sides of the aisle that respect him because he is more of centrist than your typical left leaning liberal.  In some respects I agree with you...

Doug:   

I now live in a Blue State and if I could describe to you the excitement/joy/pride of seeing and taking my parents to the vote was priceless.  My parents (like many others of their generation) never thought they would see a day like today!   

Fisk will do well in the NAIA.  Although there was some initial talk of Fisk joining the TranSouth Conference, there are some VERY preliminary discussions for forming a new conference in the NAIA comprised of Black Colleges in the South. We will see what happens.

With the expansion of the two Georgia colleges into the ranks of D3 I am sure that the GSAC can and will expand as a conference.   The GSAC "powers that be" just need to be proactive on that issue as I am sure they are. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 05, 2008, 03:09:27 PM
I forgot to add that you all know that Obama was the 6th man on his Hawaiian High School State Championship  basketball team his Senior Year in High School in 1979.  His nickname was "Barry O'Bomber"!
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 05, 2008, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 05, 2008, 03:04:19 PM
Old Lion:

You bring up some good points (even though you sound like Joe the Plumber). ...

Thank you!   :)

Quotehe is more of centrist than your typical left leaning liberal.

God, I hope you're right.   I am  primarily concerned about tax and spend policies.

I know you are an intelligent, reasonable guy.  Aren't you sick of hearing so many of his supporters "selling" his tax proposals and their repercussions?  Obama himself is so smooth, I always came away from listening to him speak feeling almost like I agreed with him ... even though I knew better.

It is many of his supporters that I am sick of listening to.  I feel there are only two possible explanations for many of his advocates' behavior ...

Either (1) they are idiots who have no idea of the macroeconomic implications ... or (2) they are shrewd, amoral manipulators who think the majority of American people have no idea of the macroeconomic implications ... and even worse, think our votes can be bought with promises they know they can't/won't keep.

Re #1 ... I don't think they are idiots.   >:(

Re #2 ... Apparently, they were right.    :(

But hey, let's look for a silver lining here ... Obama is incredibly smooth ... maybe he can talk all the world's thugs into behaving ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 05, 2008, 10:58:14 PM
Old Lion

I think its great that we are talking politics on the message board.

You are one of the smartest guys that I know.

FYI  Rumor is Jon Gruden might be interested in the Tennessee football job....

What do you think?

Also, will you be attending the alumni game on Nov 15th? Coach Glenn is really trying to make this a first class event. Him and Neeley are going to do a good job.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 06, 2008, 08:36:18 AM
Gruden won't come to UT.  The real catch would be Lane Kiffin, former Raiders coach and USC assistant.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 09:25:03 AM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on November 05, 2008, 10:58:14 PM
FYI  Rumor is Jon Gruden might be interested in the Tennessee football job....

What do you think?

From my own biased viewpoint, I don't think we need another great football coach in the SEC East.   ;)  Although I'm sure Tennessee, the top notch program that it is, will come up with someone very good.

Seriously, I did hate to see a great football coach like Fulmer go out the way he did.

QuoteAlso, will you be attending the alumni game on Nov 15th?

I hope so ... it will depend on game time of Ga/Aub.  Will you be there?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 09:38:48 AM
Quote from: wilburt on November 05, 2008, 03:04:19 PM
You bring up some good points (even though you sound like Joe the Plumber). I am encouraged by folks on both sides of the aisle that respect him because he is more of centrist than your typical left leaning liberal.  In some respects I agree with you...

OK Wilburt, I think we can agree that some changes are needed ... and as is always the case, there are some pros and cons in this change.   But we have been remiss ... no one has yet to address the issue that is most important to the gsac hoops msg board ... How will it impact Murvul's recruiting?   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 06, 2008, 10:53:11 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 09:38:48 AM
Quote from: wilburt on November 05, 2008, 03:04:19 PM
You bring up some good points (even though you sound like Joe the Plumber). I am encouraged by folks on both sides of the aisle that respect him because he is more of centrist than your typical left leaning liberal.  In some respects I agree with you...

OK Wilburt, I think we can agree that some changes are needed ... and as is always the case, there are some pros and cons in this change.   But we have been remiss ... no one has yet to address the issue that is most important to the gsac hoops msg board ... How will it impact Murvul's recruiting?   :o

You are correct.  No one has yet to address the impact on Murvul's recruiting?  Well I think it all depends on how much East Tennessee supported the Obama campaign!  :D

UT needs to get someone with some NFL experience as their next Head Football Coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 05, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Sometimes I envy people who do not live in red states.  Then again, several million folks used to and now don't, so there is hope (to borrow a phrase).

Be careful what you wish for ... some words of wisdom from Winston Churchill ...

* Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.

* The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

* We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

* Once in a while you will stumble upon the truth but most of us manage to pick ourselves up and hurry along as if nothing had happened.

* If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law.

* You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they've tried everything else.

* Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.


and finally ...
If you are not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at forty, you have no brain.
- Winston Churchill -
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 11:37:35 AM
A parable from the flagship educational institution of a still firmly red state.
If this doesn't put the looming inherent dangers in terms that most of us can understand ... well, then I don't know how to ... keep hope alive (to borrow a phrase) that some will ever understand.

A professor at the University of Georgia explains the United States Tax
System in an easy to understand way. It's most instructive for understanding the
impact of Obama's proposed changes,  so read on...


From the University of Georgia:

Bar Stool Economics

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would
go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the
arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are
all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of
your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what
about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the
$20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized
that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from
everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up
being paid to drink his beer. (Hmm ... does this sound familiar?)  So, the bar
owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the
same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to
compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He pointed
to the tenth man," but he got $10!" "Yeah, that's right,"
exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that
he got ten times more than I!" "That's true!!" shouted the seventh
man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all
the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison.
"We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat
down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill,
they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money
between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how
our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2008, 12:53:39 PM
Very clever - but also very simplistic and misleading.

The analogy breaks down on at least two major factors:

1. The beer drinkers (presumably) are each receiving equal beer (i.e., benefits); the wealthy clearly receive (by definition) far greater benefits (in numerous ways) from the society their taxes help to maintain.

2. Income taxes are only one (relatively small) component of all taxes, and are the ONLY progressive taxes.  While many people pay no income tax, NO ONE pays no taxes.  For a majority of workers, payroll taxes greatly exceed income taxes, and are definitely regressive taxes (since they apply to only the first $106K(?) of income, the wealthy pay a lower percentage of income than the poor).  I won't even belabor sales and other taxes, which hit the poor proportionately much harder than the rich.

[Before Pat steps in - there is a politics board elsewhere on the site.]
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2008, 12:53:39 PM
Very clever - but also very simplistic and misleading.

The analogy breaks down on at least two major factors:

1. The beer drinkers (presumably) are each receiving equal beer (i.e., benefits); the wealthy clearly receive (by definition) far greater benefits (in numerous ways) from the society their taxes help to maintain.

2. Income taxes are only one (relatively small) component of all taxes, and are the ONLY progressive taxes.  While many people pay no income tax, NO ONE pays no taxes.  For a majority of workers, payroll taxes greatly exceed income taxes, and are definitely regressive taxes (since they apply to only the first $106K(?) of income, the wealthy pay a lower percentage of income than the poor).  I won't even belabor sales and other taxes, which hit the poor proportionately much harder than the rich.

You make some valid points in #2 above.  Obviously, you understand more about our overall tax system than most of the political operatives I've been listening to the last few months.  (Assuming of course, that they really believe what they say.)

Re simplistic and misleading ... I'll give you simplistic.  But I think it is intentionally simplistic ... to put it in easy to understand terms.  That is the point of a parable.  It has to be simplistic to give many, who are not as well versed as you, a chance to understand.  Many don't have a clue ... in many cases because they aren't paying attention ... or maybe because they are listening to all the political "spinners" on TV ... in that case, no wonder they don't have a clue.

But misleading?  No way ... the simplistic, bottom line still holds ...

Tax them too much, attack them for being  wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

All you have to understand is what has already occurred in much of Western Europe.

"Those who are ignorant of history, are doomed to repeat it"
  - George Santayana -


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 06, 2008, 02:39:29 PM
Old Lion "the economist"  ::)

If history shows us anything, is that in this country when the times are economically bad the masses/citizens want more government (ie Great Depression).  When times are economically good the masses/citizens want less government (ie Reagan's 1980s).  It is a very fluid dynamic (for you beer drinkers)!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2008, 03:21:38 PM
old_lion,

I contend it IS misleading, simply because it focusses on the ONLY progressive tax.  If you look at ALL taxes (at least as of 2002, but since that was before Bush's second tax cut, the picture may be even more regressive now - since I'm retired, I haven't had to update my info ;)), the poor actually pay a higher percentage of their income than the rich.  Overall, taxes actually increase inequality.  Or to put in the terms that became so notorious in the latter part of the campaign, overall taxes DO 'spread the wealth' - from the poor to the rich! :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 06, 2008, 04:25:27 PM
Go SCOTS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2008, 03:21:38 PM
old_lion,

I contend it IS misleading, simply because it focuses on the ONLY progressive tax.  If you look at ALL taxes (at least as of 2002, but since that was before Bush's second tax cut, the picture may be even more regressive now - since I'm retired, I haven't had to update my info ;)), the poor actually pay a higher percentage of their income than the rich.  Overall, taxes actually increase inequality.  Or to put in the terms that became so notorious in the latter part of the campaign, overall taxes DO 'spread the wealth' - from the poor to the rich! :o

Except for that last, silly statement (overall taxes DO 'spread the wealth' - from the poor to the rich!)   you're not wrong, you are just not focusing on the key "cause and effect points" ...

Allow me to recap ...

1) Tax them too much, attack them for being  wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

or stated a little differently ...

2) With apologies to those whom this statement may offend ... how can anyone be so simple minded as to think you can raise taxes on corporations and the rich ... and not have a negative impact on the rest of us?  Do they think corporations/the rich exist in a vacuum?   Let's see ... how might corporations/the rich  react to such fiscal policies?  Some possibilities ... raise prices, cut benefits to employees, layoff people, leave the US for a more tax friendly environment, etc., etc. ... or some combination of all of the above?  All bad news for the rest of us.  Be careful what you wish for ...

Mr. Y, sounds like to me you are making a version of Obama's "fairness argument".  To my knowledge, "making sure it's fair" is very seldom a criteria that is given much consideration in any aspect of life.  With respect to the tax code, it's clearly counter productive to focus on "let's make sure it's fair" ... as opposed to let's make sure it works most efficiently for the common good on a macroeconomic basis.

Another simplistic example ...  I don't think Akeem Lunchpail (see, I can change with the times) is going to draw much comfort from knowing his wages would have been taxed more fairly if he still had a job ... after he lost it when his company reduced their workforce, or closed their doors, or moved their operation overseas, etc., etc.

Regarding that last, silly statement ... revenues from payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, property taxes, etc. certainly do not go to the rich!  They go to fund various programs, infrastructure, etc. that benefit all of us. And, as you well know, the overwhelming majority of us, are certainly not the rich!

And one other thing ... Wilburt, don't you roll your eyes at me, young man!  That's not the "receptive to learning attitude" that earned you academic recognition at Fisk. You most certainly CAN handle the truth!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 04:32:17 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 06, 2008, 04:25:27 PM
Go SCOTS

Come on, Grubb ... I thought you could at least relate to the story about the 10 guys drinking beer!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2008, 04:40:12 PM
old_lion,

My apologies if my 'silly' statement was not very clearly stated.  Of course the other taxes to not 'go' to the rich.  What I was presenting is the fact (as of the last time I presented such material - my lecture notes are in deep storage!) that income inequality is actually greater after all taxes are taken into account than it is on a pre-tax basis.  In that sense, to focus only on income taxes as a 'redistribution of wealth' is highly misleading, since taxes as a cumulative whole actually 'redistribute' wealth upward, not downward.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 06, 2008, 05:36:49 PM
Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2008, 05:45:37 PM
Apology accepted.  I apologize for using the word "silly" ... not very diplomatic of me.  I am actually enjoying the theoretical discussion.

While your facts may be correct, IMHO, they are not particularly relevant to the overall well-being of our economy.

My point remains that Akeem Lunchpail (and millions like him) aren't going to give a rat's a$$ about the fairness of the tax code or our theoretical discussion ... if the "fiscal policies of change" result in us all facing higher prices (that fits with your regressive concern) and the predictable increased likely hood of more of us not having wages at all.

I understand you are retired, but surely you still have friends still out there, trying to operate in this economy.  Talk to some of them. The layoffs, the reduced benefits, etc. are already happening ... and it will only get worse if we raise taxes.  I'm not making this stuff up ... there is historical precedent.

Things were tough in 1929 when the market crashed.  But things didn't hit rock bottom until 1932 when we tried to tax our way out of it.  The top marginal rate (on the rich) went from 25% to over 60% ... we see how well that worked.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI&t=my&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=alBsmRS72DyM&refer=columnist_shlaes

Excerpted from the above, in case you don't have the patience to read the entire article ...
Finally, there was Hoover's tax policy. Today every fool, right or left, knows that imposing a tax increase in an economic downturn is like kicking a wounded man in the stomach.

Yet in the dark days of 1932, with unemployment at 20 percent, Hoover perversely signed an increase that reversed the multiple cuts by his predecessor, Calvin Coolidge.

Hoover more than doubled rates at the bottom of the tax schedule. He also increased the top marginal tax rate to 63 percent from 25 percent. The effect was predictable. That tax error has haunted economists ever since.  

And don't tell me the socialism of Roosevelt's New Deal was the answer, either ... that was just a band-aid.
What finally ended the misery of the Great Depression was the economy revving, job producing aspects of WWII.  We don't want that kind of "solution" again ... so let's not raise taxes, like Hoover did in 1932, and make it worse.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2008, 06:22:40 PM
old_lion,

I too am enjoying the back and forth - not many 'political' discussions stay so civilized! :(  It appears that we are getting some backlash from other posters (though if it weren't for us, the board would be completely dead lately! ;D); I'm more than willing to go to PMs or the 'politics' board if you wish (it's your board - I'm just a visitor!).

Obama is a very practical man (even most of the conservatives acknowlege that, even if, during the campaign, they tried to paint him as a Marxist - that's just politics ;)).  I seriously doubt there will be ANY tax increases until the economy has stabilized, and even then I don't really anticipate much beyond allowing the Bush cuts for the wealthy to expire.  He is NOT going to raise marginal tax rates to 60+%! 

I agree with you that tax hikes are counter-productive AT SOME POINT; I just don't think the hikes Obama has ever talked about are anywhere near that point.  But it is also true that deficits are counter-productive at some point.  At the rate the deficits have risen under W (when he inherited a record surplus), we may face spending on productive things being crowded out by rising debt-service.  At this point in time, I trust Obama to strike a wiser tax/spend/deficit balance than the Republican Party leaders.  (Of course, Obama doesn't directly write legislation - I'm somewhat less confident of Congressional leaders, but hopefully he can mostly hold them in line.)

My 16-year-old recently started his first job, and was appalled (despite warning beforehand :D) at the discrepancy between his 'gross' and 'net'.  I explained to him that (come springtime) he would get all his income taxes back, but not his FICA (or whatever the current term is).  And, of course, if the 'gloom-and-doom' crowd are correct, he will NEVER get his FICA back.  Fortunately, I have great faith that that crisis is yet another one that we will somehow 'muddle through'.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 06, 2008, 10:54:53 PM
GO SCOTS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 06, 2008, 11:19:35 PM
Go Hawks!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 07, 2008, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2008, 06:22:40 PM
old_lion,

I too am enjoying the back and forth - not many 'political' discussions stay so civilized! :(  It appears that we are getting some backlash from other posters (though if it weren't for us, the board would be completely dead lately! ;D); I'm more than willing to go to PMs or the 'politics' board if you wish (it's your board - I'm just a visitor!).

Obama is a very practical man (even most of the conservatives acknowlege that, even if, during the campaign, they tried to paint him as a Marxist - that's just politics ;)).  I seriously doubt there will be ANY tax increases until the economy has stabilized, and even then I don't really anticipate much beyond allowing the Bush cuts for the wealthy to expire.  He is NOT going to raise marginal tax rates to 60+%! 

I agree with you that tax hikes are counter-productive AT SOME POINT; I just don't think the hikes Obama has ever talked about are anywhere near that point.  But it is also true that deficits are counter-productive at some point.  At the rate the deficits have risen under W (when he inherited a record surplus), we may face spending on productive things being crowded out by rising debt-service.  At this point in time, I trust Obama to strike a wiser tax/spend/deficit balance than the Republican Party leaders.  (Of course, Obama doesn't directly write legislation - I'm somewhat less confident of Congressional leaders, but hopefully he can mostly hold them in line.)

My 16-year-old recently started his first job, and was appalled (despite warning beforehand :D) at the discrepancy between his 'gross' and 'net'.  I explained to him that (come springtime) he would get all his income taxes back, but not his FICA (or whatever the current term is).  And, of course, if the 'gloom-and-doom' crowd are correct, he will NEVER get his FICA back.  Fortunately, I have great faith that that crisis is yet another one that we will somehow 'muddle through'.

Mr Y,

I don't see much to take issue with there ... and I more than agree with your statement re congressional leaders.  Let's put it this way ... if Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were on fire, I wouldn't ____ on them to put them out.   >:(   Oh well, there went civilized.   ;D

Have a great weekend.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 07, 2008, 10:22:06 AM
Go Bulldogs and long live the President-Elect!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 07, 2008, 01:34:47 PM
Anyone know anything about the Lagrange-Huntingdon scrimmage?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 07, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
Old Lion,

I will be going to the alumni game. I believe the UGA/Auburn game is 745.

I went to the mens basketball exhibition tonight. Tennessee looked decent against Tusculum. They have a lot of athletes but some of the freshman's man to man defensive fundamentals are awful. Scotty Hopson is a great athlete but just a flat out showboat. Pearl has a lot of talent but outside shooting is going to hurt them. Tatum, Hopson, Woolridge, and Chism are streaky, and when Chism is one of your better three point shooters you are in trouble.

After being in Knoxville for 2 years know I will give you my honest opinion on the Vols. You know Im a huge fan but I will say that people in Knoxville believe that Tennessee is better than what they really are. Its almost as if they have no idea that any other teams exist. I think the media in Knoxville hurts the athletic program more than it helps them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 07, 2008, 10:26:18 PM
I do know that the finals of the GSAC soccer tournament is tomorrow.  MC vs. Piedmont!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 08, 2008, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on November 07, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
Old Lion,

I will be going to the alumni game. I believe the UGA/Auburn game is 745.

I went to the mens basketball exhibition tonight. Tennessee looked decent against Tusculum. They have a lot of athletes but some of the freshman's man to man defensive fundamentals are awful. Scotty Hopson is a great athlete but just a flat out showboat. Pearl has a lot of talent but outside shooting is going to hurt them. Tatum, Hopson, Woolridge, and Chism are streaky, and when Chism is one of your better three point shooters you are in trouble.

After being in Knoxville for 2 years know I will give you my honest opinion on the Vols. You know Im a huge fan but I will say that people in Knoxville believe that Tennessee is better than what they really are. Its almost as if they have no idea that any other teams exist. I think the media in Knoxville hurts the athletic program more than it helps them.

I'll agree with that for the most part...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 08, 2008, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on November 07, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
After being in Knoxville for 2 years know I will give you my honest opinion on the Vols. You know Im a huge fan but I will say that people in Knoxville believe that Tennessee is better than what they really are. Its almost as if they have no idea that any other teams exist. I think the media in Knoxville hurts the athletic program more than it helps them.

I know the feeling  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 09, 2008, 04:23:53 PM
MC just had a scrimmage that had both good and bad elements.  No one shot very well from the perimeter, but MC had pretty good defense.  Hernandez played very well, but there wasn't much depth in the post after him. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 09, 2008, 11:54:04 PM
randy will have them ready
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 10, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 05, 2008, 01:53:08 PM

The problem is, the majority of people are not "half way paying attention."  All they heard was, "He's going to give me stuff and cut taxes on 95% of us."  (I've heard it said that a key watershed moment, a declining point, in all the world's great democracies was when the masses realized they had the power to freely vote themselves benefits ... and leave the costs/repercussions for someone else, future generations, to deal with.)   


Mr Ypsi,
Re a topic that I touched on briefly a few days ago ... a friend of mine sent around an email that I think you'll find interesting reading ... it even has some comments from a professor from Minnesota ... I believe that's currently a blue state ... Keep Hope Alive!   ;D

I don't know how much you'll agree with ... heck, I don't know how much I agree with ... but it certainly is thought provoking.    :o

The email: How Long Do We Have?
 
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the   University  of   Edinburgh  , had this to say about the fall of the  Athenian   Republic  some 2,000 years earlier:
 
'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'
 
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
 
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'
 
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'
 
'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
 
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
 
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
 
3. from courage to liberty;
 
4. from liberty to abundance;
 
5. from abundance to complacency;
 
6. from complacency to apathy;
 
7. from apathy to dependence;
 
8. from dependence back into bondage'
 
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law,   St. Paul ,   Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000  Presidential election:
 
Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
 
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
 
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
 
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
 
Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the   United States  is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.    

And apparently, that was written a few years ago ... I wonder where he'd say we are now ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
old_lion,

I'd say that Professor Olson pretty thoroughly tipped his hand with the grotesque stereotypes in the final paragraph.  Are you sure this guy is "Joe the Law Professor" and not "Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber"? ;D

And while Professor Tyler's theory sounds plausible in the abstract, it alas has the drawback of being historically completely false.  I believe there are 3 countries that have surpassed the 200-year limit on democracies, and I don't recall hearing about the dictatorships in Iceland, Switzerland, or the U. S. ;)

As to the "somewhere between complacency and apathy" characterization - sure didn't feel that way last Tuesday!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 10, 2008, 02:48:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
old_lion,

I'd say that Professor Olson pretty thoroughly tipped his hand with the grotesque stereotypes (1) in the final paragraph.  Are you sure this guy is "Joe the Law Professor" and not "Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber"? ;D

And while Professor Tyler's theory sounds plausible in the abstract, it alas has the drawback of being historically completely false.  I believe there are 3 countries that have surpassed the 200-year limit on democracies, and I don't recall hearing about the dictatorships in Iceland, Switzerland, or the U. S. ;)  (2)
As to the "somewhere between complacency and apathy" characterization - sure didn't feel that way last Tuesday! (3)

(1) Even though there some grains of truth in there somewhere, those were some unpleasent stereotypes.  But remember, that is sort of what stereotype means ... something that is frequently, but not always true ... the problems arise when ignorant people believe them to always be true ... you know like "white men can't jump" ... that stereotype didn't come about for no reason, but it's not always true ...  ;)

(2)  The Scottish guy in 1787 said averaged about 200 years ... at that point he didn't know how long we were going to last  ... I certainly hope it's a heck of a lot longer than that.  But there is no question, we are at that point where "voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury".  We have beaten the average ... but based on some disturbing trends, I am seriously concerned as to how long we can continue to do so.

(3) Well to paraphrase one of your infamous Blue Boys, Slick Willy ... I'd say that would have to depend on what your definition of "complacency and apathy" is.  Personally, I find it pretty damn complacent and apathetic that so many voters voted primarily on "he's going to give me something for nothing and cut taxes on 95% of us" without bothering to think a little deeper as to how implausable that is ... and how catastophic the ramifications could be, if he actually did it.  It's not that difficult to look at the example of Western Europe.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 10, 2008, 10:17:20 PM
Damn Old Lion....in your son's words "You just big timed that man."


There will be 14 players at the alumni game. Glenn and Neeley have done a really good job making this alumni game a first class event. Hope to see you in Demorest. Bring the stat book.

Hope the Lions do well at Mercer on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2008, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 10, 2008, 02:48:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
old_lion,

I'd say that Professor Olson pretty thoroughly tipped his hand with the grotesque stereotypes (1) in the final paragraph.  Are you sure this guy is "Joe the Law Professor" and not "Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber"? ;D

And while Professor Tyler's theory sounds plausible in the abstract, it alas has the drawback of being historically completely false.  I believe there are 3 countries that have surpassed the 200-year limit on democracies, and I don't recall hearing about the dictatorships in Iceland, Switzerland, or the U. S. ;)  (2)
As to the "somewhere between complacency and apathy" characterization - sure didn't feel that way last Tuesday! (3)

(1) Even though there some grains of truth in there somewhere, those were some unpleasent stereotypes.  But remember, that is sort of what stereotype means ... something that is frequently, but not always true ... the problems arise when ignorant people believe them to always be true ... you know like "white men can't jump" ... that stereotype didn't come about for no reason, but it's not always true ...  ;)

(2)  The Scottish guy in 1787 said averaged about 200 years ... at that point he didn't know how long we were going to last  ... I certainly hope it's a heck of a lot longer than that.  But there is no question, we are at that point where "voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury".  We have beaten the average ... but based on some disturbing trends, I am seriously concerned as to how long we can continue to do so.

(3) Well to paraphrase one of your infamous Blue Boys, Slick Willy ... I'd say that would have to depend on what your definition of "complacency and apathy" is.  Personally, I find it pretty damn complacent and apathetic that so many voters voted primarily on "he's going to give me something for nothing and cut taxes on 95% of us" without bothering to think a little deeper as to how implausable that is ... and how catastophic the ramifications could be, if he actually did it.  It's not that difficult to look at the example of Western Europe.

As bball season is about to launch for real, this will be my last reply on the board, lest others get too offended.  But I'd love to continue the conversation by PM if you wish. ;)

1.  His stereotypes go beyond "something that is frequently, but not always true" into the realm of outright dishonesty.  Halliburton, et. al., and corporate farmers feed at the public trough beyond the wildest dreams of mothers on food stamps.  To pretend that blue areas are 'government dependent' while red areas are 'taxpaying citizens' is not only grossly insulting, but fraudulent.

2.  An 'average' of 200 years requires some examples under 200 if I've already provided examples over 200.  And for the life of me I cannot think of ANY examples of 'real' democracies which have gone to dictatorship.  The Weimar Republic doesn't really qualify since Germany had no established tradition of democracy when Hitler (ironically) was democratically elected.  Numerous Latin American countries have bounced back and forth, since democratic culture had never really been established.  Now it is VERY hard to imagine any western European or SOME Latin countries (Chile, Brazil, etc.) going back to dictatorship.  I simply can't come up with a single example of a country which has truly established a democratic culture which has ever gone to dictatorship.

3.  Can you provide ANY evidence that 'so many voters voted primarily on "he's going to give me something for nothing and cut taxes on 95% of us"'?  I don't doubt that a few did (just as a few simply could not bring themselves to vote for a 'colored boy'), but 'so many'?  What I saw was excitement and hope, not complacency and apathy.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 11, 2008, 08:34:56 AM
GO SCOTS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 11, 2008, 10:24:06 AM
Mr Y,

As I told you initially ...
QuoteI don't know how much you'll agree with ... heck, I don't know how much I agree with ... but it certainly is thought provoking.   

Your comment sums it up ...
QuoteProfessor Tyler's theory sounds plausible in the abstract
That's enough to scare the heck out of me.

I notice you don't seem to want to address the example of Western Europe ... much of which is about a generation ahead of is in many of the fiscal policies/ entitlement programs currently being promoted by the Democrats ... nothing abstract about that.

And finally your comment ...
Quoteas a few simply could not bring themselves to vote for a 'colored boy'
Really ... I'm surprised you went there.  On a personal note, few things irk me more than the arbitrary playing of the race card.  I wonder how much of that we'll have to endure over the next 4 years.

I don't see this election as a race issue.  I see it as a "lemming issue".  Many easily lead, uninformed voters (black, white, and others) simply followed the crowd to promises of something for nothing.   :(
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 11, 2008, 10:33:38 AM
I have managed to stay out of this but my friend Old_Lion your last post makes that impossible.  This part:

Many easily lead, uninformed voters (black, white, and others) simply followed the crowd to promises of something for nothing.   Sad

That is insulting and without evidence.  When exactly did Mr. Obama promise anybody "something for nothing?"  Or is a tax cut by itself "something for nothing?"  If so, then it is also "something for nothing" for people with high incomes to "get" to "keep" the "something for nothing" tax cuts the Bushies engineered for them, so when any such person voted for McCain, it would also have been for a promise of something for nothing.

I guess there are some people who vote based on their own narrow self-interests but most people I know vote for what they think will make this a better world.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 11, 2008, 12:43:35 PM
Wow!

QuoteIs it something for nothing for "for people to get to keep the money they earned"?
Wow ... I can't find the words to address that question ...  ???

QuoteWhen exactly did Mr. Obama promise anybody "something for nothing?"  Or is a tax cut by itself "something for nothing?" 

In my book, more benefits for everyone + lower taxes on 95% of us (BTW, that's includes no income taxes at all on 40% or so) ... that equates to "something for nothing" for many, many people who are apparently too uninformed, short-sighted, apathetic, or illogical (pick as many as you'd like) to realize "that dog won't hunt" over the long run.

Ever heard of David Walker, former Comptroller General?  He is not a Republican or a Democrat ... but he has some common sense and apparently, he can do math.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/28/business/main2135398.shtml

One of the reasons we've always been able to deficit spend is because our economy has always been so strong and stable.  In other words, the oil sheiks, the Chinese, etc. , etc.  have always been willing to park capital here ... lend us money by buying our bonds, and thus finance that deficit spending.  What are we going to do if/when they decide maybe the US isn't the best place in the world for them to park their money?

Our long term fiscal prospects are already choking on trillions on unfunded entitlement programs ... that is before cutting taxes on 95% of us, taxing the most productive segments of our society into oblivion, and loading us up with even more entitlement programs  ... does any prudent person really think that has a snow ball's chance in hell of working.  Again, much of Western Europe is years ahead of us on a similar path ... it ain't working!

I've always heard you can learn a lot from mistakes ... but, they don't have to all be yours. It is much less painful, if you can keep your head up, pay attention to what is going on around you, and learn from other's mistakes occasionally.   :o

Quotemost people I know vote for what they think will make this a better world.
You are a good guy ... and I'm sure many of the people you know are quality people as well.  I have no doubt you believe that.  We'll have to agree to disagree.  I respectfully suggest you review your 1980s history (the great Soviet socialist experiment failed) and pay closer attention to how socialism is currently working out around the world. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 11, 2008, 02:27:08 PM
As you said, my friend, "We'll have to agree to disagree."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 11, 2008, 10:24:06 AM
Mr Y,

I notice you don't seem to want to address the example of Western Europe ... much of which is about a generation ahead of is in many of the fiscal policies/ entitlement programs currently being promoted by the Democrats ... nothing abstract about that.

And finally your comment ...
Quoteas a few simply could not bring themselves to vote for a 'colored boy'
Really ... I'm surprised you went there.  On a personal note, few things irk me more than the arbitrary playing of the race card.  I wonder how much of that we'll have to endure over the next 4 years.

I don't see this election as a race issue.  I see it as a "lemming issue".  Many easily lead, uninformed voters (black, white, and others) simply followed the crowd to promises of something for nothing.   :(

One final post to clarify things I was apparently unclear on.

I didn't address Western Europe because the context was specifically democracies falling into dictatorship.  You may view their 'social democracies' with disdain, but do you genuinely think any of them are ripe for dictatorship in any foreseeable future?

As to playing the 'race card' - that was certainly NOT my intent (perhaps a different example would have been wiser :P).  My intent was to illustrate that SOME people will always vote for 'improper' reasons (and there is no denying that SOME people did not vote for Obama because of his race - I've seen several such on tape and personally heard at least three say so; in fairness, there were also SOME people who voted FOR Obama because of his race).  Personally, I found your 'lemming issue' remark at least as insulting as 'the race card' - might it be possible that 'not easily led, informed' voters thought that the seemingly unflappable Obama was better suited for the job than the McCain who increasingly seemed like a 'grumpy old man' towards the end?

[BTW, I thought McCain's concession speech was the most gracious such speech I've ever seen.  THAT was the McCain I would have strongly considered voting for in 2000.]
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 12, 2008, 09:13:46 AM
Old Lion,

The Statue of Liberty and her torch are coming down and Aunt Jemima and a drumstick are on its way to the top.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 12, 2008, 09:47:51 AM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on November 12, 2008, 09:13:46 AM
The Statue of Liberty and her torch are coming down and Aunt Jemima and a drumstick are on its way to the top.

Definitely, not cool ... race is not a factor in this discussion!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 12, 2008, 10:04:15 AM
I understand that race wasn't a factor in your discussion.  I was just informing you of a comment I heard on Rush Limbaugh's radio talk show.

Don't you like fried chicken and syrup? Not together of course. I do recall you putting a load of butter on your pancakes.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 12, 2008, 10:33:43 AM
MC's Alex Bowers signs with an ABA team.  This is great for him, the Scots, and the GSAC.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2720

KnoxCounty22's parroting Limbaugh, on the other hand, makes me cringe to think this is what a GSAC education produces.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 12, 2008, 10:36:42 AM
From Mr. Ypsi:
QuoteI didn't address Western Europe because the context was specifically democracies falling into dictatorship.  You may view their 'social democracies' with disdain, but do you genuinely think any of them are ripe for dictatorship in any foreseeable future?

I don't really have an opinion regarding dictators ... that's not my concern.  I told you I don't necessarily agree with everything the guy from the 1700s had to say.  But I do think it's instructive to try to learn from mistakes made in the past ... to me the primary issue is, once you get to the point that the masses can vote themselves benefits ... and you have politicians who pander to that mind set ... and everyone involved mindlessly ignores the long-term repercussions ... well, we're there ... and that ain't good.  Surely, you can't disagree with that?

I most certainly do view their 'social democracies' with disdain!  I find it incomprehensible that so many in this country seem perfectly willing to head off down (down, being the operative direction  :( ) the same path. BTW, I have several friends who were originally from Europe, but consciously made the decision to move to this country.  You should hear their views on the subject.

From Mr. Ypsi:
QuotePersonally, I found your 'lemming issue' remark at least as insulting as 'the race card'

I wasn't insulted. I don't think "insulting" is the issue ... I think "relevance" is.

IMHO, the "lemming analogy" is extremely relevant ... IMHO, this past election was swung by a lot of uniformed voters
enthusiastically "going with the flow" without having any idea, really any concern for, what's at the bottom of that cliff they are jumping off of.  But, as Dennis Miller says, "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong".

By contrast, IMHO, race is not a factor in this discussion!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 12, 2008, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 12, 2008, 10:33:43 AM
MC's Alex Bowers signs with an ABA team.  This is great for him, the Scots, and the GSAC.

Congrats to Bowers!  I thought he was probably the most complete player in the gsac last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 12, 2008, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on November 12, 2008, 10:04:15 AM
I was just informing you of a comment I heard on Rush Limbaugh's radio talk show.

OK, KC22, fair enough. 

But I'm just cringing with dread regarding all the "racial stuff" I fear is coming ... the tasteless jokes, the cases when legitimate criticism will be attributed to racism, the cases where criticism will be because of racism, etc., etc.

Personally, I want no part of it.  And, I know you ... you are a good guy .. IMHO, you s/b above that sort of thing, as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 12, 2008, 11:07:12 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 12, 2008, 10:33:43 AM
MC's Alex Bowers signs with an ABA team.  This is great for him, the Scots, and the GSAC.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2720


Scottie,

From the Thunderbolts website ... how could you fail to mention this? Our own Matt Grubb ...

11 Brent Watts  Guard 6'3"   Knoxville, TN  Farragut High School    Maryville College
http://www.knoxvillethunderbolts.com/the-thunderbolts/roster.html


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 13, 2008, 11:19:34 AM
Old_Lion you are just a thorougher guy! 

Apparently the MC self-promotion apparatus does not appreciate all alums equally.

Here are links to two articles in the Daily Times about the GSAC and scheduling and AQ issues:

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=124643053ABB9560&p_docnum=3

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=12469E18B78224E0&p_docnum=2
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 13, 2008, 02:26:03 PM
Good Luck to Piedmont tomorrow night at Mercer.   ROAR!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 13, 2008, 03:48:51 PM
Those links didn't work, but I am interested in reading the articles.  How bout that picture of Watts.  Was that his Junior year team photo they used? Maryville must have water from the fountain of youth flowing throught the taps up there. That would explain Lambert's dashing young looks.

Here is a very abreviated report on the Panthers. We are better, but that is a relative term.  We are getting help from new guys and we can't stop anyone. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 13, 2008, 04:44:34 PM
Try these links, Coach:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20081112/SPORTS/311129972&SearchID=73335960154665

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20081111/SPORTS/811109991&SearchID=73335960154665
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 14, 2008, 12:53:35 AM
yes, that is the present day "skinny" grubby one.  The grubby one is down to 200 pounds, that is his graduation weight.  Unfortunately, when the grubby one used to light up the finely coached lagrange panthers he weighed about 190.  I will say this about the thunderbolts.  i think the ABA is going to be a blast. It truly is minor league sports, see Bull Durham or Semi pro.  I think it is a great opportunity for some of the standout players of the GSAC to continue their playing careers without having to leave home, so The Grubby One is doing everything he can to help make the Knoxville Franchise a success.
We got to see marquis patton from Fisk this weekend and that guy can flat out play.

Now i know what you are all thinking and yes The Grubby One looks great in a thong...again.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 14, 2008, 11:04:11 AM
 That schedule is brutal, especially early.  They seem to have a much deeper team this year. (And the coaching staff is much improved ... yeah Wes!)  ;D
If they can just hang in early, they could be pretty good after they've had a chance to jell. But, those were 4 solid seniors we lost last year, IMHO, you don't replace a core group like that easily.

Good luck to the Lions.  

2008-2009 PC Men's Basketball Season Preview
http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2008/11/11/11_04_08_mbkb.asp?path=mbball

Losing four starters to graduation would be a major setback for most programs, but the sixth-year head coach has reason to be optimistic about the future of Piedmont men's basketball and the 2008-09 season. The Lions are coming off their third consecutive winning season, the best such feat in 36 years of PC basketball, and return two of their top three scorers in junior guards Sam Coppage and Michael Rubio. Coppage, Rubio, and the rest of the Lions inherit the challenge of replacing 68% of last year's scoring* including the 27.1 points per game averaged by graduated All-American Jake Baldwin.

* (Editorial comment: Apparently, replacing 69% of last year's assists is not a concern.  Ah, the good old gsac ... where no one ever seems to notice that there is a strong correlation between the two.) ::)

Helping the cause for the this year's version of Piedmont men's basketball will be ten new faces highlighted by 6'6 junior transfer J.C. Herebia who comes to Piedmont from NCAA Division-III Texas Lutheran University. These ten new faces along with the six returners will be expected to continue the Piedmont tradition of pressure defense and up-tempo offense. This exciting style helped the Lions rank 13th nationally in scoring offense last season marking the fourth consecutive year Glenn's team has earned a top-15 ranking. Piedmont also finished last season 12th in the nation in steals per game and 27th in assists per game.

The Lions will continue to play their up-tempo style featuring pressure defense and high scoring.  For three consecutive seasons, the team has finished in the top-15 nationally in both scoring and steals. 

The schedule is the most challenging of Glenn's tenure and will certainly test the youthful Lions. Nine of the first eleven games are away from Cave Arena including classics at Averett University, #14 Randolph-Macon College, and #13 Centre College. Both Averett and Centre made NCAA Tournament appearances a year ago, and Randolph-Macon has won at least 20 games in four of the past six seasons.

After the tough opening road stretch, Piedmont will return home to play nine of its final fifteen games. Great South Athletic Conference regular season play starts on January 17 when PC visits Huntingdon College in Montgomery, AL and wraps up on February 21 with Maryville College coming to Cave Arena. The Lions will look to improve upon their runner-up finish in last year's GSAC Tournament on February 27-28 when Maryville hosts the GSAC Championship Tournament.

Youthful depth is an accurate description for Piedmont's campaign as many newcomers will compete for valuable minutes. The two constants, however, will be returning guards Coppage and Rubio. Coppage averaged 14 points per game last year and was second on the team in assists and field goal percentage. His performance earned him Georgia Basketball Coaches' Association (GABCA) All-State and GSAC All-Conference recognition. Rubio finished last season third on the team in scoring at 13.6 points per game while leading the team in steals and three-point field goals made. He also garnered GABCA All-State honors.

Sophomore Daniel Lampl is another key returner for the Lions. Lampl played in more than eight minutes per contest during his freshman year and earned GSAC All-Freshmen honors.  Junior Will Martin and sophomores Phillip Sloan and Josh Elkins will also have an opportunity to earn increased roles this season. Martin appeared in 25 of the Lions' 27 games last season. 

Herebia leads the group of newcomers to join the new look roster. He was named American Southwest Conference West Division Freshman of the Year two seasons ago at Texas Lutheran and should have an immediate impact for the Lions. The newcomers joining Herebia in the frontcourt are freshmen Josh Chapman, and Tracey Gardner. Both players are local products from AAA power East Hall.

Piedmont added even more depth in the backcourt with freshmen Michael Chatman, Michael Gunsolus, Josh Haymore, Matt Parker, Justin Rush, and Dee Smith all looking to contribute. Chatman was a contributor on the national success of South Gwinnett HS two seasons ago while Haymore brings even more local flavor out of near by North Hall. Rush was an All-State selection from Dacula and should compete immediately on the wing position.

Piedmont will officially open the 2008-2009 season on November 21 versus Averett University at the Texas Steakhouse Classic in Danville, VA. The team's home opener will be December 3rd versus USA-South Athletic Conference member Greensboro College.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 14, 2008, 12:28:20 PM
I might also add that attendance at out-of-state games could take a big hit this year. With Old_Lion & the Lioness not being there we could drop by 25% or more.You will both be missed.Time for some newcomers to step up.I'm sure they will.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 14, 2008, 09:14:31 PM
http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mercer/mbball/

I see some cause for optimism ... our 2 stalwarts, Rubio and Coppage had off shooting nights (those two guys will play well this year) and we still didn't get killed.

Looks like several of the new guys played well ... especially Haymore, Herebia, and Rush.

Shout out to point-center, Phil Sloan ... two assists, no turnovers ... maybe we s/h/b playing the UCLA high post offense last year, with Sloan reprising Walton's role. (Yeah, I know ... I am an old Lion.) Elkins drills a 3 in a cameo appearence  ... maybe the guy is a gamer ... I always felt he could have gotten a little more PT last year.





Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 14, 2008, 09:28:05 PM
Sam will have to adjust to having the ball in his hands most of the time. I'm sure He will. We just could not buy one in the second half.As you say Rubio & coppage will not shoot 2 for 14 ( or whatever it was) On many nights.Down four at the half is not bad. Well on to Averett next Saturday.Big test.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 15, 2008, 12:25:24 PM
what does anyone know of the possibility of teams like Covenant, Sewanee, Oglethorpe, and Birmingham Southern join the GSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 15, 2008, 01:44:51 PM
It is my understanding that Covenant would welcome the opportunity.  Another possibility is Berry (GA), which also is going D3, but it may think of itself and be perceived as in the same "class" (and I say that on purpose) as The University of the South and the other SCAC schools.  Oglethorpe is less wealthy than the rest of the SCAC and may find the huge travel burdens of playing in that league a problem that could be addressed by joining the GSAC.  I fear they would think of it as downward mobility.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2008, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 15, 2008, 01:44:51 PM
It is my understanding that Covenant would welcome the opportunity.  Another possibility is Berry (GA), which also is going D3, but it may think of itself and be perceived as in the same "class" (and I say that on purpose) as The University of the South and the other SCAC schools.  Oglethorpe is less wealthy than the rest of the SCAC and may find the huge travel burdens of playing in that league a problem that could be addressed by joining the GSAC.  I fear they would think of it as downward mobility.

However, the drops that everyone is seeing in the institutional endowments may call the Oglethorpe board to re-assess the institutional priorities.  How much can their travel budget sustain?  (Think of the travel savings for the Petrel Women's sports with the AQ of the GSAC sports.)

There were "no D3 options" in the southeast in 1991 when Oglethorpe joined the SCAC.

Berry's endowment (using 2007 figures) of $683M was second only to Trinity at $991M and more than Colorado College $523M.

Oglethorpe was under $40M.

The GSAC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2008, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on November 15, 2008, 12:25:24 PM
what does anyone know of the possibility of teams like Covenant, Sewanee, Oglethorpe, and Birmingham Southern join the GSAC?
One other factor that ties the SCAC together is the Associated Colleges of the South (http://www.colleges.org/).  Eight of the 16 are SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 16, 2008, 03:02:59 PM
Shout out to Drew Bailey for winning the 3 point contest at yesterday's alumni event  ... no question, KC22 could always shoot the ball.

Kudos to Coach Glenn and staff for putting together the 1st annual alumni event ... nice event.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 16, 2008, 10:02:28 PM
Mercer beats Bama At T-Town. Piedmont loss doesn't look so bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 17, 2008, 12:00:05 AM

This was a great step for the men's basketball program at Piedmont. Coach Glenn, Neeley, and Parker put on a 1st class event. I like the looks of this years team. I think the Lions are going to do extremely well this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 17, 2008, 12:01:24 PM
Hey Old_Lion, Looks like your man Pittman got off to a good start. Hawks went 1-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 17, 2008, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: bballlover on November 17, 2008, 12:01:24 PM
Hey Old_Lion, Looks like your man Pittman got off to a good start. Hawks went 1-1.

I see that ... he has to be the early favorite for gsac POTY.  I wonder how they got him the extra year ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 17, 2008, 10:03:20 PM
Looks like the Scots will be ready for #13 ranked Centre... I am not making any guarantees though.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 17, 2008, 10:57:13 PM
yeah i talked to Ben Purcell, Sewanee's star, he has a bad back that locked up early in that game against HC, believe me Purcell would have made a huge difference in that game.  HC got lucky that he had to leave the game, but all championship teams have their share of luck.  He did say that HC was much improved since last year so that is a good compliment for the boys down at HC.

The Grubby One will be in attendance to watch his scotty dogs take on the colonels.  I am looking for big things out of my favorite player  lambert/Hernandez.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 18, 2008, 09:31:19 AM
Here is the Daily Times on tonight's Centre-MC game, as well as on the Scots:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2725
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 18, 2008, 09:54:51 PM
heartbreaker in Murvul, but all you people know this about tonight's game, Eryk Watson was dominating the Scots comeback.  The 2 best players on the floor played for MC.  Centre has a good team and they played great team ball.  They did not steal a victory in TN.  It was a great game for november, but by Feb. when MC's freshmen are up to speed, MC wins that game by 15
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 18, 2008, 10:45:53 PM
absolutely agree with you.  I take more good from this than bad.  If that is a number 13 ranked team then I like the scots chances of getting deep in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on November 18, 2008, 11:02:35 PM
Is everyone ready for the LaGrange tourney this weekend? I think the VWC/MC will be a very very interesting and competitive one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 19, 2008, 12:03:08 AM
I thought MC looked great tonight! It was a heartbreaker but I thought they looked great esp. considering it was the season opener.
Watson is such an awesome player and, as a fan, he makes it fun to watch. Hernandez has come so far in 3 years. I cannot wait to see what he'll do with this whole season ahead of him. I am not sure what RDL does to motivate these guys but more often than not, he molds them into players and men who make you proud.
Lambert and Damron needed to let loose and turn it on. When they do, watch out! The team looks pretty deep. And that Jared...it is like 3 years ago they wound that kid up and he hasn't stopped since. Always 110%. Win or lose, I can't ask for more.

Go Scots!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 19, 2008, 09:38:09 PM
LaGrange wins their first one ... 2 Gwinnett Co freshmen get double figures ... way to go Dillon and Clay.

http://www.lagrange.edu/athletics/basketball/index.html

Come on LaGrange stat guys, let's get a box score posted.  You know how I love you guys.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 19, 2008, 11:26:53 PM
Stefan Cooper's take on the Scots Blount Today:
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2730
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 20, 2008, 09:28:59 AM
Quote from: bballlover on November 16, 2008, 10:02:28 PM
Mercer beats Bama At T-Town. Piedmont loss doesn't look so bad.

Wow!  Mercer has beaten Alabama and Auburn, back-to-back ... impressive.   :o

http://www.mercerbears.com/index.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 21, 2008, 04:40:22 PM
big weekend for the gsac, hope the young scots do well
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on November 21, 2008, 06:12:08 PM
Good luck to the Lions as they travel to Averett. Thats a tough contest, but I like Piedmont in a close one.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on November 21, 2008, 07:48:39 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 19, 2008, 11:26:53 PM
Stefan Cooper's take on the Scots Blount Today:
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2730

That was great! I loved it.

I've been thinking about what I said earlier about Hernandez. While I think RDL makes a huge positive impact on his players, Hernandez had to want a spot on the team this year. He set the goal for himself and is hitting it! Going from the last one off the bench to being a "slim, trim" starter doesn't come by RDL (or anyone else) waving a magic wand. Greg has worked very hard for his starting spot on this team and I am proud and thrilled for him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 21, 2008, 09:32:39 PM
Great win by the Scots over Hampden Sydney.  I wasn't at the game, but I heard that Eryk had a very good game and the entire team as a whole played well the second half.  Let's see if their success continues tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 21, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
Our full time SID is in Jackson with football, so the assistant didn't get the scores posted.  I can't remember the exact Maryville score but they beat Hampden-Sydney by 1.  LaGrange 81 Virginia Wesleyan 72. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 21, 2008, 11:30:53 PM
Thanks, Coach, and congratulations!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2008, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 21, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
Our full time SID is in Jackson with football, so the assistant didn't get the scores posted.  I can't remember the exact Maryville score but they beat Hampden-Sydney by 1.  LaGrange 81 Virginia Wesleyan 72. 
Nice win, Coach!

Have a good season!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 22, 2008, 03:54:39 PM
report from the radio:
Scots 66, Virginia Wesleyan 58, Final.
It's up to LaGrange to complete the ODAC sweep! 

Lots of freshmen played more than a little (Willett, Rucker, Lambert, Damron)

So did Dustin Brown. 

Scots even won rebounding and shot over 50%.  Watson 20, Lambert 16 (4 rebounds).

All these road games should grow 'em up quick!  Oglethorpe and Emory at Oglethorpe next weekend.



Coach Lambert happy with defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2008, 05:04:26 PM
that is the 2nd time Lambert has beaten HSC by 1 this decade and the 2nd time this decade he has played them.  2 big wins for the scottie dawgs.  This bunch of young pups may turn out to be alright after all.

Big ups to my favorite player, Lambert/Hernandez on a balanced floor game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on November 22, 2008, 06:43:25 PM
Just a brief note regarding the Scots, no one should out tough or out hustle or out work a Randy Lambert coached team. Way to go Scots. More effort and more hustle bring out the "Purple Rain" by Prince on the bus, a favorite song of the younger version of Coach Lambert during the mid-eighties.
Regarding the Centre game, the halftime dancers were outstanding-very very good. The one older lady reminded me of Shiela Evans, who danced exclusively during the greatness of the Watts, Ennen,Housewright era. That lady could move.
Kudos to Watts and Placeres for putting together the Alumni game as well!
GO SCOTS!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 22, 2008, 08:53:05 PM
The Scots finished the job in Lagrange with a low scoring victory over Virginia Wesleyan.  Kudos to coach Lambert for getting the troops ready for the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 24, 2008, 11:32:21 AM
yea, great job, now keep up the road trip for the rest of 2008, wow this is a brutal schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 24, 2008, 11:36:09 AM
it might feel like a couple road games in Atlanta since Spencer Beaty will be attending both games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2008, 12:26:14 AM
look at Coach Haynes and the Panthers at 2 and 1, good job coach

good work putting that little tournament together, I always enjoy seeing GSAC schools beat ODAC schools
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 26, 2008, 10:11:04 AM
Although the Young Lions didn't come away with a win at Averett last weekend they did make progress. As the old saying goes "You have to learn to walk before you can run". Congrats to Coppage for all-torney team. Good Luck at Methodist guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 26, 2008, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: bballlover on November 26, 2008, 10:11:04 AM
Although the Young Lions didn't come away with a win at Averett last weekend they did make progress. As the old saying goes "You have to learn to walk before you can run". Congrats to Coppage for all-torney team. Good Luck at Methodist guys.

I'm glad to hear they are making progress.  I think chemistry is an often overlooked and under rated factor.  Eventhough last year's team had absolutely no size, they were loaded in team chemistry. That group was fairly highly ranked for 4 years in scoring, assists, steals, and shooting percentages ...

I think as these Young Lions learn to play together and make the game easier for each other, you'll see improvements in all those catagories ... and in "the catagory" ... Ws.

Hang in there Young Lions.

Congrats Sam, on all-tourney.  It is a big job, trying to "run the show" and get your points, as well.  I'm sure you'll get nothing but better, as the season progresses.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 27, 2008, 12:51:15 AM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.  Be thankful for what you have. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2008, 01:00:49 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 27, 2008, 12:51:15 AM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.  Be thankful for what you have. 
I am glad that I have met you!  :)

Good luck, and I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2008, 12:59:37 AM
The oglethorpe loss hurts
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 30, 2008, 07:17:05 PM
The Scots got back on the right foot with a convincing win against Emory.  We were clearly the better team in both games, but we decided to finish the Emory game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2008, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on November 30, 2008, 07:17:05 PM
The Scots got back on the right foot with a convincing win against Emory.  We were clearly the better team in both games, but we decided to finish the Emory game.


I saw the Scots play this afternoon.  They are another well-coached Lambert team that plays hard and plays well together ... but I think the overall talent level is down a good bit from the Murvul teams I've seen over the last few years.

For instance, I didn't see anyone that I'd rate on a par with Placares, Bowers, Golden, or Blair.

Obviously, Watson is a good player ... the two freshmen guards from MHS are going to be good ... and I've always thought Laverdiere was underated. There are some tough role player types down low ... but, in my opinion, no one really outstanding.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2008, 10:28:20 PM
no one that is outstanding yet, but watch for Watson to rewrite the record books before it is all over, also look for Hernandez to develop, getting in shape was half his battle, now he has to get better
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: thisdogwillhunt on November 30, 2008, 11:25:53 PM
Good road win!! Another big road game coming up wednesday. RL always plays cn tough-beating them last season. CN avg around 100 per game giving up low-mid 90's too. Womens team at CN avg 92 should be some fun ball to watch. Only be better if Watts is in the house
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 01, 2008, 09:32:37 AM
Old Lion it is PLACERES!!!LOL.. I like the Scots team. Very balanced!! On any given day someone can step up.

My ideal Line-up would be Damron,Lambert,Watson,Orr,Hernandez.
But I also like this line-up Laverdiere,damron,lambert,watson and either hernandez/orr

Carson Newman has great talent but they don't have Randy lambert ;) :)

Watts won't be there "Dog" he has yoga practice tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 01, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on December 01, 2008, 09:32:37 AM
I like the Scots team. Very balanced!! On any given day someone can step up.

I'm not disputing that ... any Lambert coached bunch is going to be a well-balanced team.  I just think the overall talent level is down compared to recent seasons.  I think that's probably true across the gsac.

I haven't seen Huntingdon yet, but they did lose to SE Bible College @ home ... and when they beat Sewanee, Pursell only played 1 minute.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 01, 2008, 12:17:14 PM
yeah, i think the Scots are just young, they only have one senior

They will be ready after xmas

i will be in attendance on wed.  I will be performing my yoga routine at halftime of the women's game for everyone to see.  Halftme entertainment of the men's game will be The killer's high school team in a 5 min scrimmage against 1st baptist of Jeff. city's 9 year old upward team.  should be a good match up.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: thisdogwillhunt on December 01, 2008, 01:48:42 PM
I'm glad i will not be around at the half of the women's game to see the yoga routine. Looking forward to seeing you and the MC alum on Wednesday
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 02, 2008, 04:04:38 PM
Beaty will be in the house Wednesday at CN, but hopefully, I won't have to watch the yoga
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on December 03, 2008, 08:41:37 AM
Good luck to the Lions as they host Greensboro College. Piedmont always plays well at home. Hopefully they can get their first W of the season tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 03, 2008, 09:35:16 AM
Good Luck to the Scots tonight! I wish I could be there but I am exhausted. Two games in two nights is not good on the body. Need rest.. By the way the Highlanders of the only Cuban Coach in East TN 5-0 for the first time since 1999.

I learned from the best... Randy Lambert AKA Jesus Shuttlesworth AKA John Wooden of DA VILLE

David Large for President in 2024
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 03, 2008, 02:57:06 PM
The Gubby One will be in attendance tonight to watch Dad Walsh coach against his alma mater, then ready to watch Eryk Randy Watson run the court Div 2 style.
the scots D vs. CN's offense, it will be a fun one

There will also be a former fighting scot who is now a pro star there and his game is busted
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2008, 10:34:38 PM
How many fans paid the $20.00 (http://www.truthradio.tv/Streaming_videoMC.htm) for the video stream of the Murvul-Carson Newman game?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 03, 2008, 10:36:29 PM
Maryville 95 - Carson-Newman 91.  Getting better and better...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2008, 10:40:40 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 03, 2008, 10:36:29 PM
Maryville 95 - Carson-Newman 91.  Getting better and better...
Congrats!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on December 03, 2008, 10:41:56 PM
Any Defense?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on December 03, 2008, 10:57:43 PM
Scots own CN
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 04, 2008, 12:01:48 AM
the final score of the game was 95-91 Scots.  It was a very back-and-forth game with MC's offensive execution versus CN's pure athleticism and size.  I was very pleased with our play overall, but we did have some mistakes (turnovers, fouls, etc.)  Overall, the freshman did very well.  My man Mav used his fouls wisely.  GO SCOTS!!!  Is that not the winning team?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 04, 2008, 12:42:05 AM
Go Scots!!!  Murvul won the game when CN's transfer center from Auburn got hurt.  If they had played him 25 minutes, the scots lose the game, but coaching helps.  The scots did what they had to do to win.  Lambert/Hernandez had a great game.  Orr was in foul trouble thanks to my friend barry mathis.  The scots wanted to win and CN wanted to look good missing dunks and stuff like that.  As good as Greg is, he could not guard Cameron.  That guy is an SEC player.  I know that D3 teams beat D1 and D2 teams all the time and i am fine with that when it happens once in a while, but CN has not beaten Murvul in 3 or 4 years.  It is not really a rivalry b/c i cant remember them winning.  The young guys learned how to play and win in a tough environment when the other team is pressing and trapping.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 04, 2008, 01:02:30 PM
Lions lost a heartbreaker last night. They did show a lot of spunk coming back from 14 down in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 04, 2008, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: bballlover on December 04, 2008, 01:02:30 PM
Lions lost a heartbreaker last night. They did show a lot of spunk coming back from 14 down in the second half.

That was an impressive comeback.  They competed well all night ... but I thought they looked particulary good when they went to the full court pressure D late in the game.

When you consider ...
* no stars, particularly in the half court offense
* much better depth than last year ... 10 or 11 good, really scrappy guys
* Coppage, one of our best players, thrives in chaos ... attacking the basket, and getting to the line

To me, all of the above just screams ... go with 40 minutes of pressure D ... use our depth to rachet up the intensity, create chaos ... and hopefully, string together some runs of easy, transition buckets and take some pressure off of our half court offense ...

But, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

A couple of other random thoughts ...

* Coppage is doing an admirable job, running the 1 ... but I think it goes against his basic nature, asking him to slow things down, see the entire floor, and think "get others involved" first.  I wish we could find someone else to play PG, so we could free Sam up to do what he does best, be aggressive and look to score first ... I hear that redshirt freshman, Mike Chatman, may be a candidate, if we can get him healthy?  Couldn't Rubio run some 1 to free up Sam to go back to full attack mode?

* I really like Josh Chapman ... a real "warrior" type, just loaded in intangibles .. drew 2 charges last night ... I'd get that guy more minutes.  I would have loved to have had him playing some 4 for us last year.
  East! Hall...    East! Hall ...    Sorry, inside reference.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 05, 2008, 10:35:03 AM
Knoxville News-Sentinel had a good article about MC's beating Carson-Newman.  This is a pretty big deal locally and the two teams recruit many of the same players.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2741
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on December 05, 2008, 07:45:41 PM
Congrats to the Scots on that nice win!! Sorry I missed it. Work gets in the way...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
Greensboro 60, LaGrange 56,  tough loss!  :-\

LaGrange -- FG 55%,  3FG 45%, FT  60% (?) 16 TO

Greensboro -- FG 37% 3 FG 22% FT 81% 13 TO
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 08, 2008, 10:21:43 AM
Wow! Another tough loss for the Lions.  Rust is not an easy place to pick up a "W" ...

http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2008/12/7/12_6_08_mbkb.asp?path=mbball

I haven't seen a box score yet (Nova, if you can go on Rust's website and find one, then I'll be truly impressed.) but it sounds like they played (at least shot and rebounded) much better.

Unfortunately, sounds like not taking care of the ball was their undoing.  Also, I heard that we've lost Josh Chapman for a few weeks.  If so, that hurts.

Hang in there Young Lions ... you are making progress.  We all knew that early schedule was going to be rough.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 08, 2008, 01:01:53 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 08, 2008, 10:21:43 AM
Unfortunately, sounds like not taking care of the ball was their undoing. 

Boxscore:
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/08-09stats/pcm05.htm#GAME.BOX

At least we had 20 assists to go with those 25 turnovers ... that's an improved assist/TO ratio over the first 4 games. 10 steals is a significant improvement, as well.

Baby steps ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 08, 2008, 01:41:10 PM
At times the young lions played real well and at others they played like ,well, Freshman. Consistency,concentration & confidence.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 09, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
MC gets ready for some pre-holiday travels to Rust and Trasylvannia.  Good luck to the scots and have safe travels.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on December 11, 2008, 11:54:21 PM
Good win for Piedmont. This was a good SEBC team. Good luck to the Lions @ Randolph Macon.
http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2008/12/11/12_11_08_mball.asp?path=mbball (http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2008/12/11/12_11_08_mball.asp?path=mbball)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 12, 2008, 07:26:51 AM
It was a much needed win for the Young Lions. I know, I know it was a Bible school. But by golly they needed this win. Lots of good things to build on from last night.Daniel Lampl had a strong all around game. J. Rush had a big offensive night & the up-tempo was fun to watch.It's back to Virginia. Good Luck Guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 12, 2008, 12:57:29 PM
It was a good win for the Young Lions.  This SEBC team is no Warren Wilson ... they are much improved over previous seasons.  A lot of teams would love to have the 6'8" inside enforcer they have in the middle. The official box score says he had 6 blocks to go along with his 15 rebounds, but it seemed like more.  He at least altered several more ...

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/08-09stats/pcm06.htm

But back to the Lions ... one thing this team has is greatly improved depth. And Coach Glenn did a good job of using it ... shuffling guys in and out, keeping them fresh, and eventually wearing SEBC down in the second half.

I saw great improvement on the offensive end over earlier in the season, especially passing the ball and limiting turnovers.  Admittedly, aside from their shot blocker, SEBC didn't expend a lot of effort on the defensive end.  But still, we handled and shot the ball much better ... 20/21 from the line will keep you in a lot of games.

As to our defense ... we still have a looong way to go.  I knew our defense was lacking, but at halftime an astute observer (shout out to bballover) pointed out why. It's our help defense ... on a driver, the first guy is stepping over to help ... but to be truly effective, the next guy, and then the next guy, etc., etc.  has to slide over and help, as well.  In other words, we are not consistently "helping the helper".  I paid close attention in the second half, and damn if he didn't hit the nail on the head.   With our depth, there is no excuse in all 5 guys not being able to play enthusiastic help defense ... 100% of the time.  If we can make significant improvement in that one area, we s/b OK.

I realize, even though we are riding a one game winning streak  :D, we are still only 1 and 5 on the season. But, if we show as much improvement on defense over the next 6 games, as we have on offense over the first 6 ... we are going to be ready for that grueling gsac season.   :o

Finally, a name to remember ... freshman guard Mike Chatman.  He made his first (brief) appearance last night after dealing with some health issues.  The appearance was too brief to make much of an assessment, but ... I think I saw some flashes of potential.  And I know some people who were familiar with his game prior to Piedmont ... they think he can be a significant contributor. S/b interesting to see ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 12, 2008, 01:52:34 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 12, 2008, 12:57:29 PM
This SEBC team is no Warren Wilson ... they are much improved over previous seasons. 

I'm sure the Huntingdon folks can attest to the legitimacy of the SEBC team.
http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/box_scores/2008-09/11_23_08_sebc
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 14, 2008, 07:41:11 AM
MC suffered a big setback when they lost to rust yesterday by 18.  Eryk didn't play and everyone else must have struggled.  I wasn't there, but I heard it was not good...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 04:49:13 PM
LaGrange 37, at Millsaps 30 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 14, 2008, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on December 14, 2008, 07:41:11 AM
MC suffered a big setback when they lost to rust yesterday by 18.  Eryk didn't play and everyone else must have struggled.  I wasn't there, but I heard it was not good...

Wow ... that's unbelievable.  Rust beat HC by 7 and PC by 3 ...
http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RUST/mens/2009
I would have bet good money that Rust wouldn't beat MC by 18 ... even w/o Eryk.  Why didn't he play?  What happened?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 05:47:29 PM
Millsaps pulls away in the final minute.  70-66.  (LaGrange led at the half.)

It was a one/two-possession game (both ways) for most of the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 14, 2008, 07:56:37 PM
Doh!

http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/BBstats/0809/rmcpied.htm

Turnovers ...   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on December 15, 2008, 09:39:22 AM
Turnovers and they need to play better defense. I listened to the game on the computer. PC also struggled from the 3.

Hopefully they can rebound today against Mary Washington

Mr. Sloan played well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 16, 2008, 08:56:13 AM
If any coaches are reading this message board i am hosting a High School Schristmas Tournament Dec 19th,20th, and 22nd. I have John Jenkins from Station Camp coming and he is regarded by most publications as the best player in the state of Tennessee.

I also have 5 quality teams coming from Kentucky and as far as Ohio on the girls side. 8 boys and 8 girls teams will participate.

I have a 6'7 post player who is averaging 15ppg and 11rpg. If anyone is interested shoot me an email.raulplaceres@sevier.org

Scot nation is not doing so hot!! Lost to Rust hurts!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 16, 2008, 04:29:00 PM
the scots are young and learning, after xmas will be differet
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2008, 11:24:17 AM
It is a real challenge for the GSAC schools who have to get a Pool B national bid to make the NCAA because you do not really have time to "learn" as a young team.  Losing a bunch of D3 games early can mess it up. 

Beating Transy before Xmas and then winning those games w/ Centre and Hanover could be a big step for the Scots!!  But not doing that creates a big hole to climb out of.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2008, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 17, 2008, 11:24:17 AM
It is a real challenge for the GSAC schools who have to get a Pool B national bid to make the NCAA because you do not really have time to "learn" as a young team.  Losing a bunch of D3 games early can mess it up. 

Beating Transy before Xmas and then winning those games w/ Centre and Hanover could be a big step for the Scots!!  But not doing that creates a big hole to climb out of.
There are only 3 Pool B bids this season.

Elms in the NECC is in good shape to get a bid, as are Landmark Conference teams, Catholic and Susquehanna.  Whether Chapman (CA) can mount and effort is another question.  I don't see anyone from the UMAC contending.

This season may be the most tenuous for Maryville's prospects at a Pool B bid.  (Is this the impetus to get the GSAC to merge with the USA South?)

I will start speculating on Pool B after the first of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2008, 11:17:23 PM
It is a long trip from LaGrange and Birmingham to Christopher Newport.  It's even a long trip from Maryville, the northern-most GSAC school.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2008, 12:19:05 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 17, 2008, 11:17:23 PM
It is a long trip from LaGrange and Birmingham to Christopher Newport.  It's even a long trip from Maryville, the northern-most GSAC school.
Yeah, I know...

Covenant and Berry may shake things up a little.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 18, 2008, 10:04:36 PM
Good win for the Young Lions.
http://www.go.emory.edu/Statistics/Current/MBB/eum-pcm.htm

Emory is a tough team ... bodies were all over the place ... and so was the officiating.  I saw two of the worst non-called traveling violations I have ever seen , this side of the NBA.  In all fairness, there was one for each team.

Herebia, while not terribly athletic, has a very impressive finesse game for a big man.

Nice PG effort out of Mr Coppage this afternoon.  Shout out to Coach Glenn for resisting the urge to reinsert him into the game, with 2 fouls, in the first half. While Sam only played 7 first half minutes, the other guys rose to the occasion nicely.

Rubio probably had his best all-around game this season.  His shot is starting to come around.  He just needs to stay confident and he'll be fine.

Gardner had a solid game.  He is emerging as an effective, do the dirty work type of role player that every team needs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 19, 2008, 08:10:33 AM
It was a good win for the Young Lions. After a looong disappointing trip to R/MC & Xmas break starting, this team could have tanked this game.Instead they came out with a lot of energy and beat a pretty good Emory team on their home floor. Maybe they were inspired by an Old_Lion in business attire.Whatever the reason the Holidays will be a lot better going into them with a win.Happy Holiday to You and Yours. Here's hoping for more success for the GSAC in the coming year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 19, 2008, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: bballlover on December 19, 2008, 08:10:33 AM
Maybe they were inspired by an Old_Lion in business attire.

Yeah, I'm sure that was significant ... the "shock and awe" factor can't be over estimated ...   ::)

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 25, 2008, 01:05:43 PM
Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 29, 2008, 09:00:48 PM
This just in ... Young Lions beat Centre at Centre!  Yes, the same Centre that beat Murvul by 2 at Murvul earlier in the season.

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/schedule_basketballm.html

With respect to Larry Munson ... you don't think that's BIG?   MAN, is that BIG!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 29, 2008, 09:00:48 PM
Thie just in ... Young Lions beat Centre at Centre!  Yes, the same Centre that beat Murvul by 2 at Murvul earlier in the season.

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/schedule_basketballm.html

With respect to Larry Munson ... you don't think that's BIG?   MAN, is that BIG!!!

Huge loss by Centre from the perspective of the South Region!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 29, 2008, 11:38:42 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 29, 2008, 09:00:48 PM
This just in ... Young Lions beat Centre at Centre!  Yes, the same Centre that beat Murvul by 2 at Murvul earlier in the season.

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/schedule_basketballm.html

With respect to Larry Munson ... you don't think that's BIG?   MAN, is that BIG!!!



AND ... under the catagory of, "Get out those big golf umbrellas, boys ... pigs must be flying." check this out ...
http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/box_scores/0809/mc-hc.htm

Murvul loses to a 2 and 8 team (shooting 37% from the field)  on a neutral floor?? ???  What's the world coming to?  I'm going to go lie down now ... I'm feeling disoriented.   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on December 30, 2008, 12:35:47 AM
Great win for Piedmont. Good job by Coach Glenn and his staff for getting those guys ready to play on the road against a tough team.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on December 30, 2008, 12:55:42 AM
The victory over Centre ranks as one of the top wins for Piedmont over the past several years.

Here are some other big wins on the road against ranked teams

@ Averett 05-06
@ CNU 06-07
@ Centre 08-09

The Lions are capable of winning big games. Can't wait for conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 30, 2008, 01:52:05 AM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on December 30, 2008, 12:55:42 AM
The victory over Centre ranks as one of the top wins for Piedmont over the past several years.

Here are some other big wins on the road against ranked teams

@ Averett 05-06
@ CNU 06-07
@ Centre 08-09

All nice ... but how could you fail to mention this one?
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcw06.htm

I know you remember it well.  4 point game at halftime, and then everything started working for us and we blew them out in the 2nd half ... in the championship of their tourney.  I've seldom seen a large, rowdy home crowd go that quiet, that fast.

Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on December 30, 2008, 12:55:42 AM
The Lions are capable of winning big games. Can't wait for conference play.

The Young Lions are on a definite uptick (a very impressive 2 game win streak ... no, seriously) when  the gsac, overall, is the weakest I've ever seen it. The rest of the season could be very interesting ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on December 30, 2008, 12:19:41 PM
The win over NC Wesleyan was great. #14 for NC Wesleyan was a player and I think he had a really good game in the rematch the following year.

We just had better shooters and wanted the game more than they did. Our defense was very good. They just rolled over in the second half.

IMHO their coach looked like Pat Riley

The most impressive individual performance in that tourney was Baldwins 43 points? against Wesley.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 30, 2008, 12:53:27 PM
nice piedmont, I always enjoy seeing centre lose
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 31, 2008, 09:07:43 AM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on December 30, 2008, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 30, 2008, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 09:21:50 PM
The Oglethorpe accreditation issue is a carryover from the previous year.  Essentially SACS continued the probation for another year.  The timing of the economic downturn was unfortunate for OU and their efforts to get off probation.
pbrooks, I have heard that the economic downturn and its effects on financial issues inside the SACS accreditation profile will make the reviewers' jobs harder.

Strong leadership at the Presidential level will help OU.

I tried to find something on the Oglethorpe web addressing the funding/accreditation issue and was unsuccessful.  The only thing I did find was a page listing facility rentals (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/news/facility_rentals/) which I guess could be one way to close the gap.   ;)

I searched my inbox for the most recent letter the President of the University had sent out to all students and the few alumni who still check the Oglethorpe E-mail on a regular basis.  Somehow the letter must have been deleted but from what I gathered from it was- The review board noted that Oglethorpe had made great progress over the past 2 years and that the SACS was satisfied with their progress but they wanted to make sure Oglethorpe maintained that level of performance over another years period before they were to award full accreditation.  I don't know all the specifics of our dire financial situation other than it was bad... real bad.  Unfortunately Dr. Schall had to inherit this mess.  Luckily for us at OU I believe that he was the right man for the job and boy did we need him badly.  Pbrooks noted that strong leadership at the Presidential level will help OU... well I believe we have extremely strong leadership at the Presidential level and each year more and more people are buying into Dr. Schall's plan.  I believe he will, in time, lead Oglethorpe out of this hole they are in and in the future will build OU into a stronger University.

Next time I receive any information I'll try to post it on since it seems to be a topic of interest each time it's brought up.


While the idea of Oglethorpe leaving the SCAC to join the GSAC and the likes of Huntigdon, Lagrange etc. would make much more sense economically and geographically it does not make sense for the overall goal of the University.  If we were to move to the GSAC it would be a huge step back rather than a huge step forward.  Being a part of the prestigious SCAC is an honor and definitely an attractive feature that helps attract students.  Right now OU is at the bottom of the conference in nearly every aspect (minus Women's bball and Men's Golf) and seems to drag the conference down.  I have hope that with the new leadership in place at the school we can improve our standing in the SCAC and be an asset rather than a hindrance.  Right now OU needs the SCAC more than the SCAC needs Oglethorpe.

Interesting Comment from the SCAC board regarding Oglethorpe.

Happy New Year everyone!  Nice win for Piedmont and Old Lion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 31, 2008, 01:39:31 PM
After seeing Piedmont & Maryville play this week let me give those of you that have not seen them play yet a warning for when you do.Be sure to pick up a roster sheet.In The Lion's case this was expected.You have Coppage, Rubio, & a lot of new faces.Lampl, Martin, & Sloan you might recognize from last year. All three are now playing larger rolls.In The Scots case they at times had 5 guys on the floor that I can hardly remember playing at all.( And yes that includes that number 50.This has to be the biggest change in appearance from one year to the next that I can remember.)Yes they still have Laverdiere,Blakely, Orr, Watson, & Shumate.Jared is playing about the same amount of time, Eryk a little more, but the other three have seed their minutes decline.I don't know why as this is the first I have seen them this year. Maybe somone else can tell us.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 02, 2009, 12:27:18 PM
i think we all need to give old lion more credit for piedmont's weekend, maybe they actually started reading his posts and put them to work on the court
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 02, 2009, 09:07:30 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 02, 2009, 12:27:18 PM
i think we all need to give old lion more credit for piedmont's weekend, maybe they actually started reading his posts and put them to work on the court

You are much too kind, Grubby One.  Insightful as some of my posts may be,  :D  I seriously doubt the Young Lions have read anything useful on here that they haven't heard repeatedly in practice.

Big game Saturday Vs. Methodist ... we've pulled of a couple of upsets recently.  Now we need to go out, execute, and beat a comparable team.

Go Lions!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 04, 2009, 12:03:11 PM
a very good win by the Scots at Bryan College.  The Scots had a good overtime after letting Bryan back in the game late in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 04, 2009, 01:25:48 PM
OK, somebody better give Alan Greenspan a heads up ... I'm about to engage in irrational exuberance.

Nice win for the Lions yesterday ... may be about time to abandon the Young Lions moniker, this team is maturing rapidly.  We all knew that early schedule was going to be brutal for a young, inexperienced bunch, not used to playing with each other.  Well apparently, they have survived it with their confidence intact and are definitely trending in the right direction.

I think yesterday's 10 point win over Methodist (after losing to them by 16 early in the season) is indicative of how far this team has come.
http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0103.htm

While Methodist's 6-10 shot blocker did a good job of containing Herebia, our veteran guards (Coppage and Rubio) both stepped up with big games.  Also big, Chatman's 4 assists, 2 steals, and 15 points (while missing only one shot) off the bench.

Other observations ...
*Solid, understated game from Gardner ... 2/2 from the field, 8 rebounds.
*Very good ball movement and held turnovers in check. For instance, twice Sloan reversed the ball from the low post for wide open 3s.
*Overall depth is outstanding ... this team has 12 or so guys capable of solid contributions.
*Shooting 51%, 56%, and 86% (on FGs, 3s, and FTs, respectively) will win a lot of games for you.

The one glaring negative ... while the D has improved and our guys play hard most of the time ... the consistency is not there yet.  In spite of our depth, there are still stretches where some guys are standing and watching, as opposed to helping on D.

Now for the irrational exuberance part ... the gsac lost some outstanding seniors last year and I believe is down in over all talent level.  With that said, because of our outstanding depth, if we continue to improve ... I think we have a legitimate shot at the gsac title.   :o

I know, a strong statement for a 4-8 team ...  we'll see ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 04, 2009, 01:48:51 PM
Old Lion,

Your irrational exuberance needs to be refuted. The GSAC crown will be in Maryville. Four things are certain in life,  (1)death (2) taxes (3) The GSAC title in Maryville and (4) the Grubby one having a hot chick on his arm when he is out and about. If the Scots were being coached by Lane Kiffin you might have a chance-but their current coach could cut down an Old Lion with a kitchen knife and a pocket knife. Until further notice, enjoy being the second best team in the conference.

Big Dog has spoken
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 04, 2009, 05:54:01 PM
Big Dog,

You are probably correct.  Lambert's coaching/ team building ability is one of the constants of the gsac ... exceeded perhaps, only by the extreme confidence/arrogance of some Murvul fans. For instance, Killer and Grubby One are extremely confident.  My disdain for "talking smack" prevents me from listing the arrogant ones ...  :D  Here's a hint ... most people refrain from "talking crap" coming off a 1 - 4 streak.  ::)

Also, I think Huntingdon is going to have a hand in determining the second best (or best) team in the gsac.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on January 04, 2009, 06:00:49 PM
Old Lion has spoken, and that was very well said.

Old Lion, Im going to try to make it to the Maryville game on the 31st of Jan. You should stick around later on that night. Florida plays at Tennessee @9, and I could get you some free tickets. I've networked with the people at Webb. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 04, 2009, 06:25:35 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 04, 2009, 05:54:01 PM
Also, I think Huntingdon is going to have a hand in determining the second best (or best) team in the gsac.

I have a couple of buddies at LaGrange, so I'm pulling for them.  But things are looking sort of bleak right now ...
http://www.lagrange.edu/athletics/basketball/schedule.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 04, 2009, 06:30:45 PM
Quote from: KnoxCounty22 on January 04, 2009, 06:00:49 PM
Old Lion has spoken, and that was very well said.

Old Lion, Im going to try to make it to the Maryville game on the 31st of Jan. You should stick around later on that night. Florida plays at Tennessee @9, and I could get you some free tickets. I've networked with the people at Webb. ;D

Sounds good to me ... I'll have my people call your people ...  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 04, 2009, 07:51:39 PM
The Big Dog is a prophet,
in a few weeks Randy will have this edition of fighting scots on the right track and they will be tough.
They better win the GSAC or they will never be able to walk around murvul without hearing about it.

The Grubby one
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 04, 2009, 10:19:56 PM
GrubbyOne's comment ("They better win the GSAC or they will never be able to walk around murvul without hearing about it") may turn out to be the key, since this may be more of a pride year than a best team year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 04, 2009, 10:36:35 PM
Our friend and wise man Ralph Turner on the Bumblin' B's board has noticed that the Scots are not looking like their usual sure thing for a Pool B bid to the NCAA.  They really do need to rip off a whole bunch of w's in D3 play and may as well start with Averett.

Old_lion's bunch could get there instead if they keep up this winning thing....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 05, 2009, 07:48:31 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 04, 2009, 10:36:35 PM
Our friend and wise man Ralph Turner on the Bumblin' B's board has noticed that the Scots are not looking like their usual sure thing for a Pool B bid to the NCAA.  They really do need to rip off a whole bunch of w's in D3 play and may as well start with Averett.

Old_lion's bunch could get there instead if they keep up this winning thing....

I don't know, Scottie ... there are a lot of losses already on the books.
http://www.greatsouth.org/m_basketball.html

At this point, it doesn't seem very likely that any gsac school is going to get a Pool B bid this season.  What do you think, Ralph?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 05, 2009, 09:01:53 AM
I'm not Ralph but I can't envision any scenario where a GSAC team gets in. Just not enough Pool B bids out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 05, 2009, 07:48:31 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 04, 2009, 10:36:35 PM
Our friend and wise man Ralph Turner on the Bumblin' B's board has noticed that the Scots are not looking like their usual sure thing for a Pool B bid to the NCAA.  They really do need to rip off a whole bunch of w's in D3 play and may as well start with Averett.

Old_lion's bunch could get there instead if they keep up this winning thing....

I don't know, Scottie ... there are a lot of losses already on the books.
http://www.greatsouth.org/m_basketball.html

At this point, it doesn't seem very likely that any gsac school is going to get a Pool B bid this season.  What do you think, Ralph?
Quote from: bballlover on January 05, 2009, 09:01:53 AM
I'm not Ralph but I can't envision any scenario where a GSAC team gets in. Just not enough Pool B bids out there.

Good morning, old lion!
I think that bballlover has correctly assessed the situation.

Maryville has 11 South Region games remaining, and has the 2-game conference tournament.

Running the table, as a Coach Lambert team has been known to do, would give Maryville a South Region record of 16-6.  Piedmont's (4-8/  4-7) running the table plus 2 conference tourney wins would make 16-7.  That is a stretch.

I don't think that the New England Collegiate Conference is tougher enough to give Elms that many losses.

Chapman has already played the toughest part of its schedule,  They have four games versus LaSierra, 2 against UC Santa Cruz, one against a weaker-than-usual UDallas, and one versus Oxy.  Chapman could finish 16-2 in-region.

I think that Catholic is in, if they don't blow it down the stretch.  Catholic may be the most vulnerable in Pool B.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 05, 2009, 11:28:19 AM
So Ralph can you remind me how, theoretically, 3 will be picked for Pool B bids?  Is In-region record the major thing?  What does the Strength of Schedule mystery have to do with it?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 11:46:11 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 05, 2009, 11:28:19 AM
So Ralph can you remind me how, theoretically, 3 will be picked for Pool B bids?  Is In-region record the major thing?  What does the Strength of Schedule mystery have to do with it?
Over on the Bumblin' B's board, I "did the math".  See Post #1303 on page 88 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=2870.1303)  The Northern Athletics Conference earned its Pool A bid and took 12 teams out of Pool B.

The in-region record is what the South Region Evaluation Committee will consider for the sake of playoffs.

The Strength of Schedule is on the front page.  It involves in-region opponents, the opponents' winning percentage (OWP) and the opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP).

By 2011, I think that there will be only one Pool B bid, as the Landmark Conference goes to Pool A in 2009-10, and the Upper Midwest AC and the New England Collegiate Conference go to Pool A in 2010-11.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 05, 2009, 01:06:01 PM
All the more reason for the GSAC to get on the stick and get three more Men's teams. On a side note,Pensacola Christian returns to Demorest tonight and the two squads will be hard pressed to match last years thriller.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 05, 2009, 03:42:09 PM
Ralph, thanks.  You say: 
The in-region record is what the South Region Evaluation Committee will consider for the sake of playoffs.

What is the South Region Evaluation Committee?  Clearly not every region will get a Pool B team, so how will the inter-region decision)s) be made?  Do the several Region Evaluation Committees play H_O_R_S_E?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 05, 2009, 10:47:24 PM
The juggernaut rolls on ...
http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2009/1/5/01_05_09_mball.asp?path=mbball

Rush carried us in the first half ... Herebia was The Man in the 2nd half ... Rubio had some big plays down the stretch.  Rubio, relax ... you'll be fine.

MAN!  I wish we would have had Herebia last year ... that's all we needed, one more big guy with Game ...  we would have kicked Murvul's a$$!  Sorry, big dog ... there goes that exuberence thing again ... what can I tell you? I  had a couple of beers after the game.   ;)

Oh, and I think we could have found some PT for Rush last year also ...  :o

Also, it was good to visit with Coach Baize of LaGrange tonight.  (I always admired his game ... very underated "pure PG".) Good luck with Pleasantville Christian tomorrow night.  Re #11, Goetsch ... I'd throw a box and 1 at him ... either that, or "Tonya Harding" him as he comes out of the locker room ...  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 10:52:42 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 05, 2009, 03:42:09 PM
Ralph, thanks.  You say: 
The in-region record is what the South Region Evaluation Committee will consider for the sake of playoffs.

What is the South Region Evaluation Committee?  Clearly not every region will get a Pool B team, so how will the inter-region decision)s) be made?  Do the several Region Evaluation Committees play H_O_R_S_E?
Scottie,

All of the information is in the Handbook.  Coach Lambert was on the South Region Committee in the late 1990's/early 2000's.

2009 D3 Men's Basketball Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_mbasketball_handbook.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 05, 2009, 10:47:24 PM
The juggernaut rolls on ...
http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2009/1/5/01_05_09_mball.asp?path=mbball

Rush carried us in the first half ... Herebia was The Man in the 2nd half ... Rubio had some big plays down the stretch.  Rubio, relax ... you'll be fine.

MAN!  I wish we would have had Herebia last year ... that's all we needed, one more big guy with Game ...  we would have kicked Murvul's a$$!  Sorry, big dog ... there goes that exuberence thing again ... what can I tell you? I  had a couple of beers after the game.   ;)

Oh, and I think we could have found some PT for Rush last year also ...  :o

Also, it was good to visit with Coach Baize of LaGrange tonight.  (I always admired his game ... very underated "pure PG".) Good luck with Pleasantville Christian tomorrow night.  Re #11, Goetsch ... I'd throw a box and 1 at him ... either that, or "Tonya Harding" him as he comes out of the locker room ...  ;D
I am glad that Herebia has found a home with you.  He just did not fit well at TLU.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 06, 2009, 07:28:15 AM
If there are any more misfits out in Texas like this one send them our way.Old_Lion would you call this a mini-roll The Lions are on?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 06, 2009, 08:49:34 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 05, 2009, 10:47:24 PM
The juggernaut rolls on ...
http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2009/1/5/01_05_09_mball.asp?path=mbball

Rush carried us in the first half ... Herebia was The Man in the 2nd half ... Rubio had some big plays down the stretch.  Rubio, relax ... you'll be fine.

MAN!  I wish we would have had Herebia last year ... that's all we needed, one more big guy with Game ...  we would have kicked Murvul's a$$!  Sorry, big dog ... there goes that exuberence thing again ... what can I tell you? I  had a couple of beers after the game.   ;)

Oh, and I think we could have found some PT for Rush last year also ...  :o

Also, it was good to visit with Coach Baize of LaGrange tonight.  (I always admired his game ... very underated "pure PG".) Good luck with Pleasantville Christian tomorrow night.  Re #11, Goetsch ... I'd throw a box and 1 at him ... either that, or "Tonya Harding" him as he comes out of the locker room ...  ;D
I am glad that Herebia has found a home with you.  He just did not fit well at TLU.

I don't know J. C. personally ... I hope he is happy at Piedmont.  But I guarantee you, he's "a fit" on the basketball court.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 06, 2009, 08:53:34 AM
Quote from: bballlover on January 06, 2009, 07:28:15 AM
If there are any more misfits out in Texas like this one send them our way.

Amen!


Quote from: bballlover on January 06, 2009, 07:28:15 AM
Old_Lion would you call this a mini-roll The Lions are on?

No.  Considering the start we got off to ... I'd call this very impressive.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 06, 2009, 10:54:09 AM
Another long road trip this weekend. This time to Ferrum,Va. It looks like they play pretty good at home too.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 06, 2009, 11:40:40 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 05, 2009, 10:47:24 PM
Also, it was good to visit with Coach Baize of LaGrange tonight.  (I always admired his game ... very underated "pure PG".) Good luck with Pleasantville Christian tomorrow night.  Re #11, Goetsch ... I'd throw a box and 1 at him ... either that, or "Tonya Harding" him as he comes out of the locker room ...  ;D

Good job tonight, LaGrange ... obviously the result of the thorough scouting report put together by Coach Baize.   ;)

http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/MensBasketball/mgame14.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 07, 2009, 10:24:52 AM
Maryville Daily Times article about the Scots' season so far.  Injuries and a horrible schedule have really been a challenge.  It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season goes, with a lot of young players having the chance to step up.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090107/SPORTS/901079975
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 07, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
The grubby one will be there tonight to make it feel like a home game.  my only debate is whether or not to go with body paint or just a kilt?

I will be calling all of my loser buddies to make sure they are there too

This team needs all of the help they can get and I will be there to help them.  My scots will finish the season strong as they always do. Sweep through the GSAC and then see what they can do next year.  The future looks very bright for the scotty dogs.

next year murvul will sweep the all conference awards and Randy Watson will win his first of 2 all american awards if he does not win his first of three this year.

The Grubby One has spoken.

See you all tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 07, 2009, 12:17:04 PM
Scotty, I feel your pain. I guess it is what it is. Let's just hope the schedule Gods are more favorable to us next year.With GSAC games just around the bend this could be a fun year. I'm not so sure the Scots will run the table. This year or next.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 07, 2009, 10:27:32 PM
being a better person than the killer i did not stand up my fighting scots to be a groupie.  i attended a polite a** whoopin

the scots are young but talented, as they mature, they will be the fighting scots that we are used to
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 08, 2009, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 07, 2009, 10:27:32 PM
being a better person than the killer i did not stand up my fighting scots to be a groupie.  i attended a polite a** whoopin

the scots are young but talented, as they mature, they will be the fighting scots that we are used to

Impressive win ... it appears that Murvul has gotten her groove back.   :)

That's great ... just in time for the gsac schedule.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 08, 2009, 12:10:55 PM
Tough loss for Huntingdon ... Rust is very difficult place to pick up a win.  I bet that place was rocking  ... with Roberts hitting all those 3s.
http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball

How the heck did Rust shut down Pittman?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 08, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
I think it is time for an oldlion volume shooting statistical analysis spreadsheet.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 08, 2009, 02:04:17 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on January 08, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
I think it is time for an oldlion volume shooting statistical analysis spreadsheet.

No, I think "that Elvis has left the building", Coach. 

I don't think it ever did any good re swaying the "let's add up the points to see who the best players are,  gsac mindset".

Besides, I'm not aware of any synergistic, pass first, control the tempo, make your teammates better, be a steals leader, etc., etc., type of PGs who are going to be overlooked this year, simply because they aren't volume shooters.   ;)

Please check your messages, Coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 08, 2009, 11:02:24 PM
Big weekend for the scots
hopefully they can get 2 and they will be headed in the right direction

I wanted to give a big shout to G hernandez, that kid looks totally different.  He has made the commitment to do what it takes for him to play his best, once the rest of his team learns to make that same commitment the scots will do well.  I like the talent on this team, i just think they are a little to young and inexperienced.

I will have to steal a term from The Distinguished Old Lion and say that as the scots mature and learn to be synergistic, Randy will be back to normal in the mountains.

The Grubby One is skinnier than the killer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 09, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 08, 2009, 11:02:24 PM
Randy will be back to normal in the mountains.

I certainly wouldn't bet against it.


Quote from: mattgrubb on January 08, 2009, 11:02:24 PM
I wanted to give a big shout to G hernandez ...

Agreed, he is off to a heck of a start ... all-gsac, I would imagine.

Speaking of big guys ... what's the deal with Orr's diminished role?


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 09, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
missed practice coupled with players like Maverick Willet playing well has led to a lack of minutes. For this team to be successful, he needs to contribute.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 10, 2009, 04:03:06 PM
Maryville beat Greensboro 75-69 at Greensboro.  Lots of minutes by the young'uns. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 10, 2009, 08:29:22 PM
Good road win Scots. First home loss for Greensboro. Old timers, remember the great tag team duo of The Road Warriors, these Scots have certainly been that. Proud of your efforts Highlanders. Get some more!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 11, 2009, 01:10:48 PM
For some reason our score didn't make the site.  Huntingdon 80- LaGrange 72
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 11, 2009, 07:33:24 PM
Nice win over Methodist for the Orange and Garnet. Scots getting better. Basketball is a tournament game and the Scots are improving. By year end, the level of play should be very, very good.

Big Dog has spoken
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 11, 2009, 10:05:09 PM
Basketball is a team sport, but a team needs to make the tournament in order to make a run.  I am not sure that even if they win the rest of their games, they will make the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 12, 2009, 09:16:00 AM
Basketball is a tournament game, however with the GSAC and the no automatic bid you don't always get treated that way. Basketball has always been about getting better and player improvement and this Scots team is no different, they are getting better and improving and it is just unfortunate they had some early season losses on the road. I believe they will be NCAA tournament quality by season end-whether they are in or not is not left up to me. I would like to say that the MC dance team is NCAA quality already and it is just the mid season. Shiela Evans would come off the bench for this crew.

Big Dog has spoken
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2009, 09:30:04 AM
2 nice wins for the young scots, i would say that the big dance is out for this team, but that is not a bad thing, most of these guys will have a chance at 2 or 3 more big dances and they will value it more after this season
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 12, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
Y'all are probably right about the big dance for the Scots, but if they were to win out with D3 games and a couple of the other Pool B candidates screw up, there is still a chance.  Elms and Catholic are doing fine, but it is not clear to me that there is a lock for the third spot in the dance.  So we may as well just win the rest of the games and see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 12, 2009, 10:39:48 AM
Ralph Turner has a new tally of Pool B teams on the Bumblin' Bs page in Men's, Multi-Regional or here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=2870.1305

I was not "current" about Catholic and Elms as par as in-region records.  If the Scots win, though, it could still be interesting....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 12, 2009, 10:40:41 AM
amen to that!! You never know. One game at a time young Scots! You can only control what is in front of you and that is the next game. Let the NCAA decide who goes.

ONE GAME AT A TIME!!! By the way Old Lion to echo my boy BIg Dog and some of his earlier comments Piedmont has never beat the Scots and never will!! WE OWN YOU!!..lol.. I think it will be a good game in GA but not at MC.

Hope all is well. Big Dog Sheila Evans is Wall of Fame worthy..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 12, 2009, 11:29:26 AM
Boy, am I glad Murvul has won a few ... it was getting awfully quiet on here during the 4 game losing streak.

Welcome back, my Murvul friends.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 13, 2009, 12:02:14 AM
Hi Old_Lion!  When you never get to see them play because they never play at home, it's tough to chatter on without making stuff up, which you know we Scottieposters never do.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 13, 2009, 12:44:22 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 13, 2009, 12:02:14 AM
Hi Old_Lion!  When you never get to see them play because they never play at home, it's tough to chatter on without making stuff up, which you know we Scottieposters never do.

Hi Scottie ... I think you inadvertantly left something off your post.  I'm sure you meant ...

Quote from: scottiedoug on January 13, 2009, 12:02:14 AM
Hi Old_Lion!  When you never get to see them play because they never play at home, it's tough to chatter on without making stuff up, which you know we Scottieposters never do.   ::)

You're welcome!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 13, 2009, 09:51:37 AM
lets just let these kids focus on one game at a time, i don't think they have learned how to look at both the task at hand and the big picture the way a professional would
Young scots, just win every game and you will give someone else a headache.

Sheila Evans is definitely wall of fame worthy, those moves were somethin else, but she does not have the raw physical talent of these current scotties.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 13, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
WE OWN PIEDMONT!!!!!

GSAC opponents versus MC are 2 for LIFE!!!! Only wins by the Hawks and Fisk.

I have actually had time to post the last few days. It has been awhile. Old Lion you are still being considered for the GSAC POST Hall of Fame. Just know you are being evaluated on a post to post basis. Hope all is well. Hope Jake is doing well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 13, 2009, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 13, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
WE OWN PIEDMONT!!!!!

GSAC opponents versus MC are 2 for LIFE!!!! Only wins by the Hawks and Fisk.

I have actually had time to post the last few days. It has been awhile. Old Lion you are still being considered for the GSAC POST Hall of Fame. Just know you are being evaluated on a post to post basis. Hope all is well. Hope Jake is doing well.

See Scottie, actually "seeing them play" has never really been a posting prerequisite ...  All it takes is a few Ws to re-ignite that Murvul chatter.  :D

Good to hear from you, Killer.  I hope "a few of life's jumpers are going in" for you as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 13, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Old_Lion, I had an advisor who convinced me that the use of underlining and italics (this was a while ago...) was the sign of a poor writer, and I have carried this over to these funhy faces.   It's from being old and "trained" before computers.  You remember, when we had to write things using pens and pencils.  And people used to make a lot of free throws underhanded....
Title: Re: GSAC hoops
Post by: old_lion on January 13, 2009, 02:34:19 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 13, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Old_Lion, I had an advisor who convinced me that the use of underlining and italics (this was a while ago...) was the sign of a poor writer, and I have carried this over to these funhy faces.  It's from being old and "trained" before computers. 

Yeah, I've heard that also ... I simply choose to ignore it.  One of the few advantages I've noticed of being old is that I just don't care as much what "they say".   :)


Quote from: scottiedoug on January 13, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
You remember, when we had to write things using pens and pencils.  And people used to make a lot of free throws underhanded....

How did we ever function without spell check?

Underhanded free throws?  Now we aren't that old ... maybe it's just that you've seen Barry and Chamberlin on ESPN Classic?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 14, 2009, 02:58:53 PM
Great article on Greg Hernandez in the Knoxville New-Sentinel today (1-14-2009).
Big Dog does not post links however the gist of the article is hard work, hard work, hard work by Greg Hernandez. Someone asked me about why Orr is not playing-and it all gets back to the article on Greg Hernandez. Hard work, hard work, hard work. Life doesn't give you anything, why should the dolly llama of coaches Daddy Rabbitt Lambert put you on the court if you don't have the main component on the fine article on Mr. Hernandez. HARD WORK. Nice job Greg, 20 plus and 10 plus every night. Go get it for us.

Big Dog Has Spoken
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 04:50:36 PM
Greg Hernandez article by Marcus Fitzsimmons (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jan/14/weight-down-scoring-up/)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 14, 2009, 11:25:11 PM
Welcome back, Marcus!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 15, 2009, 12:15:46 PM
As a lot of great players will tell you, I am not better than anyone, i just work harder

Great players being as: Raul Placeres, Tyler Smith, Matt Ternes, and John Pierce

extra credit:  if anyone can tell me who John Pierce is and what is his significance in college basketball, i will buy a ticket to a scots game.  Here is a hint:  His college coach just hit a major milestone after surviving a car wreck this summer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 15, 2009, 01:12:58 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 15, 2009, 12:15:46 PM
As a lot of great players will tell you, I am not better than anyone, i just work harder

Great players being as: Raul Placeres, Tyler Smith, Matt Ternes, and John Pierce

extra credit:  if anyone can tell me who John Pierce is and what is his significance in college basketball, i will buy a ticket to a scots game.  Here is a hint:  His college coach just hit a major milestone after surviving a car wreck this summer

He set the national record for most points scored as a collegian, notching 4,230 points from 1991-94. But ... could he see the floor like Placeres?

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=21872

Does that ticket come with an invitation to the tailgate party?   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 15, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
I'm sure you'll all be thrilled to know that I'm currently working on my PVR #s for the gsac. 

For those of you that don't remember, the Power Value Rating is a formula (I got it from narch) that attempts to measure player's relative worth.  It is 1.5(ppg+rpg+spg)+2(apg+bpg)-1.5(tpg).  It is a reasonable way to pick an all-whatever team.  IMHO, the best way would be to have knowledgeable bball people also consider intangibles such as leadership, making teammates better, etc. etc. ... but hey, at least it's better than the gsac's "add up the points" method.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 16, 2009, 12:02:03 AM
that ticket comes with a tailgate party that includes the mc cheerleaders and dance team
You are the man Old Lion
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 16, 2009, 12:41:29 PM
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary

i am not going to break these down or analyze them, I will leave that for the master, but here they are
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 16, 2009, 04:04:19 PM
ANOTHER COMPONENT ON WHY GREG HAS GOT TO THE LEVEL HE HAS IS BECAUSE HE IS CUBAN!!!!!
 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 16, 2009, 11:13:37 PM
So we won't say I'm really back - just kind of back.

At least for the next month or so Im in Murvul but at the Times. Mostly doing office stuff but they may slip me out to do some MC hoops.

And if anyone on the board was responsible for calling the Times and telling them the Sentinel "has been killing ya'll on Maryville College coverage" right after New Years - I hold you responsible for me being back here for a little while ::) Thanks ;D

I can't see the Scots dancing from this side of the desk but as a Lambert fan who has seen Wes and Jordan carry MHS with unreal six or seven game shooting streaks maybe they can just win and get a lot of, ok a freakin ton of, help.

At least sked is about 50/50 home:away from this point on. Think if they can avenge loss against Rust Sunday we'll get a measure of difference between home Scots and the traveling band.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 17, 2009, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 15, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
For those of you that don't remember, the Power Value Rating is a formula (I got it from narch) that attempts to measure player's relative worth.  It is 1.5(ppg+rpg+spg)+2(apg+bpg)-1.5(tpg).  It is a reasonable way to pick an all-whatever team. 

On the cusp of conference play seems to be a pretty good time to start considering all-gsac selections.  Good luck to all today.

gsac Stats - Sorted by Power Value Rating           
Top 20 or so, as of 1/16/09           
   ----|         
School   Player              GP rpg ppg  PPS PVR  apg tpg spg bpg
           
HC Pittman, Jeremy.... 13 8.6 17.5  1.52 43.0  1.1 2.3 1.6 1.4
MC  Eryk Watson........ 13 4.8 19.8  1.33 40.7  2.5 2.8 1.4 0.5
PC Herebia, J.C....... 15 5.9 18.2  1.50 37.9  0.7 1.5 1.1 0.4
MC Greg Hernandez ..... 14 7.0 15.4  1.57 36.3  1.3 1.9 0.7 0.9
           
LC Joe Cromwell....... 15 4.5 13.9  1.15 30.6  1.3 2.0 0.9 1.0
HC Sprouse, Reggie.... 13 4.8 13.6  1.13 30.4  2.2 3.3 1.9 0.2
PC Coppage, Samuel.... 15 3.6 13.5  1.71 30.4  4.5 3.7 0.7 0.1
LC Nic Whitfield...... 15 5.8 11.1  1.17 29.8  2.1 2.3 1.0 1.1
           
PC Rubio, Michael..... 15 3.2 13.2  1.18 27.4  1.9 2.4 1.7 0.1
HC Williams, Deshaun.. 5 2.8 8.8  1.69 22.9  2.6 1.2 1.4 0.0
PC Rush, Justin....... 15 3.1 12.1  1.23 22.7  1.3 3.2 1.3 0.1
LC Dillon McLaughlin.. 15 1.7 10.3  1.30 22.0  3.0 2.8 1.3 0.1
HC Murray, Doug....... 8 2.4 10.4  1.20 20.1  1.0 1.6 0.8 0.1
MC Wes Lambert........ 14 1.4 9.8  1.26 19.9  1.9 1.4 0.9 0.0
MC Jordan Damron...... 14 1.9 9.3  1.27 19.2  2.1 2.6 1.2 0.1
HC Sampleton, David... 13 3.2 8.1  1.02 16.8  0.8 2.0 0.8 0.1
PC Chatman, Mike...... 10 2.3 5.6  1.37 16.6  2.0 1.2 1.3 0.3
LC Deji Adako......... 15 4.7 5.9  1.04 15.6  0.5 1.3 0.3 0.1
PC Gardner, Tracy..... 15 6.5 3.2  1.17 15.5  0.7 1.3 0.5 0.3

Observations:

* The top 8 in the PVR rankings appear to be likely candidates for 1st and 2nd teams.  Although, I still think this "4 to a team BS" is not going to serve us well if we ever decide to challenge another conference.  ::)  Relax, it's a joke ...
* There is also a pps column to address the "volume shooter" issue Coach Haynes mentioned. A higher pps # is an indication of efficient scoring ... high shooting %s and/or getting to the FT line a lot.
* Lots of freshman in the next group of guys, after the top 8. This c/b the best freshman class since 04-05 when we had Baldwin, Green, Mason, Holliday, and Render make freshman all-gsac. Kemmerer, who was omitted that year, was more worthy than at least half the guys who have made it since.
* Sorry about the presentation ... I never could master that column alignment thing.
* The colors are in remembrance of former all-gsac poster, Wilburt.   :)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 17, 2009, 03:48:20 PM
About to leave for the MC Lagrange game.  If any of you are interested in listening out there it will be on http://www.truthradio.tv/  I hope it will be a good one.  I will tell you that I expect big things from Hernandez and DamLam.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 18, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
scots looked good yesterday and they get a chance at revenge today and Randy Watson will be ballin

DamLam should have a big game today

Hernandez has taken over as The Grubby One's favorite player, he has made being uncool, cool

The killer has turned his back on the scots this year, he is a bandwagoner
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 18, 2009, 07:13:17 PM
The game today was a 3-point shooting clinic.  MC tied the school record for 3's made and scored 107 points.  DamLam did their thing and it was just a quality win over a very athletic Rust team.  I didn't know Chris Bosh was allowed to play for Rust though...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2009, 01:48:05 AM
mutts, all a bunch of mutts, looks like they play good at home

hopefully they will maintain focus and at least get a conference championship

they got talent, one day they will turn into big dogs, but it is going to take a lot of hard work
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 19, 2009, 08:12:23 AM
tough loss for the lions Saturday.They had their chances. Just too much Pittman.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 19, 2009, 09:36:23 AM
KC22 I met a couple from Winnersville on Saturday & they spoke highly of you. What's up with that?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 19, 2009, 10:49:43 AM
Here is the Daily Times on the MC-Rust game:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090119/SPORTS/301199971

I agree with The Grubby One that this MC team is going to be real good someday.  I think the question is whether that happens this year.  It will be good if they can find another big person somewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2009, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 19, 2009, 10:49:43 AM
Here is the Daily Times on the MC-Rust game:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090119/SPORTS/301199971

I agree with The Grubby One that this MC team is going to be real good someday.  I think the question is whether that happens this year.  It will be good if they can find another big person somewhere.

If one had to some up the essence of D3 basketball in one statement ... that one would be as good as any  ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2009, 01:14:10 PM
Wow!  107 pts vs. Rust, must have been some game ...
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/MCMvsRustHBox_1.pdf

A couple of observations ...

41 3s attempted by Murvul???  Who was coaching for Murvul?  Was Randy called away unexpectedly?  :D

For Murvul, 4 guys with 3 or more assists, and not a turnover between them? Very impressive ... Was Rust playing any D at all?  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 19, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
I think it is safe to say one of the strengths of the Scots the last several years has been their depth at the post.Have not seen Queen's name as of late. Is he still there? Who is playing the post on JV?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 19, 2009, 09:50:53 PM
queen has had some academic problems...I am pretty sure he is not currently on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2009, 12:00:29 AM
Rust played zone for quite a while and the inside game was working pretty well so there were lots of opportunities outside...and several of the Scots are not shy about shooting.   Randy joked after the game about having about as many 3's as 2's but I am not sure he was really joking.  It would have been even more interesting if Williamson were playing....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 20, 2009, 07:08:55 PM
not only would this game have been more interesting, I would venture to say that the Scots might not have any losses or just a few.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 20, 2009, 10:13:35 PM
The Grubby One is interested in seeing how his lil scots handle success
These guys need to keep their noses to the grind stone so they will be playing for a national title next year.

I will not settle for anything less than an undefeated GSAC title and neither will the killer

Go scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2009, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on January 20, 2009, 07:08:55 PM
not only would this game have been more interesting, I would venture to say that the Scots might not have any losses or just a few.

Dandy Don Merideth would probably have responded ...
http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/if_ifs_and_buts_were_candy_and_nuts_wed_all_have_a_merry_christmas/

But I agree, having Williamson could have been a big help.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 16, 2009, 12:02:03 AM
that ticket comes with a tailgate party that includes the mc cheerleaders and dance team
You are the man Old Lion

Grubby One,

A young friend of mine and I just might make the MC/PC game on the 21st ... so we are going to need directions to that tailgate party. 

We are currently trying to contact members of the ancestral Clan in the old country so we can wear our Clan's tartans and be dressed appropriately.  I'm doing lots of toe raises, but I'm not sure if the calves are going to come around in time to be presentable in one of those cute little skirts ... I hear the 'chicks dig them", but I fear it may be too late for this old lion.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 21, 2009, 12:03:15 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 17, 2009, 12:23:51 PM

gsac Stats - Sorted by Power Value Rating           
Top 20 or so, as of 1/16/09           
   ----|         
School   Player             GP rpg ppg  PPS PVR  apg tpg spg bpg
           
HC Pittman, Jeremy.... 13 8.6 17.5  1.52 43.0  1.1 2.3 1.6 1.4
MC  Eryk Watson........ 13 4.8 19.8  1.33 40.7  2.5 2.8 1.4 0.5
PC Herebia, J.C....... 15 5.9 18.2  1.50 37.9  0.7 1.5 1.1 0.4
MC Greg Hernandez ..... 14 7.0 15.4  1.57 36.3  1.3 1.9 0.7 0.9
           
LC Joe Cromwell....... 15 4.5 13.9  1.15 30.6  1.3 2.0 0.9 1.0
HC Sprouse, Reggie.... 13 4.8 13.6  1.13 30.4  2.2 3.3 1.9 0.2
PC Coppage, Samuel.... 15 3.6 13.5  1.71 30.4  4.5 3.7 0.7 0.1
LC Nic Whitfield...... 15 5.8 11.1  1.17 29.8  2.1 2.3 1.0 1.1
           
PC Rubio, Michael..... 15 3.2 13.2  1.18 27.4  1.9 2.4 1.7 0.1
HC Williams, Deshaun.. 5 2.8 8.8  1.69 22.9  2.6 1.2 1.4 0.0
PC Rush, Justin....... 15 3.1 12.1  1.23 22.7  1.3 3.2 1.3 0.1
LC Dillon McLaughlin.. 15 1.7 10.3  1.30 22.0  3.0 2.8 1.3 0.1
HC Murray, Doug....... 8 2.4 10.4  1.20 20.1  1.0 1.6 0.8 0.1
MC Wes Lambert........ 14 1.4 9.8  1.26 19.9  1.9 1.4 0.9 0.0
MC Jordan Damron...... 14 1.9 9.3  1.27 19.2  2.1 2.6 1.2 0.1
HC Sampleton, David... 13 3.2 8.1  1.02 16.8  0.8 2.0 0.8 0.1
PC Chatman, Mike...... 10 2.3 5.6  1.37 16.6  2.0 1.2 1.3 0.3
LC Deji Adako......... 15 4.7 5.9  1.04 15.6  0.5 1.3 0.3 0.1
PC Gardner, Tracy..... 15 6.5 3.2  1.17 15.5  0.7 1.3 0.5 0.3


Updated PVR #s:

gsac Stats - Sorted by Power Value Rating
Top 20 or so, as of 1/20/09

School   Player               GP rpg ppg  PPS PVR  apg tpg spg bpg
             
HC 15 Pittman, Jeremy.... 15 8.9 18.6  1.54 46.1  1.2 2.1 1.8 1.5
MC 33 Eryk Watson........ 15 4.8 19.7  1.34 40.1  2.4 2.9 1.4 0.4
PC 50 Herebia, J.C....... 16 6.1 18.6  1.53 38.8  0.8 1.5 1.2 0.4
MC 50 Greg Hernandez..... 16 7.6 15.8  1.59 37.9  1.2 1.7 0.8 0.9
             
LC 32 Joe Cromwell....... 18 4.3 14.4  1.16 31.0  1.3 1.9 0.8 1.0
PC 11 Coppage, Samuel.... 16 3.5 13.5  1.70 30.3  4.3 3.6 0.9 0.1
LC   4 Nic Whitfield ......  18 5.7 11.1  1.16 30.0  2.0 2.2 1.0 1.3
HC 40 Sprouse, Reggie.... 15 4.3 13.5  1.15 29.7  2.1 3.3 2.2 0.3
             
PC 23 Rubio, Michael..... 16 3.6 13.4  1.20 28.7  1.9 2.4 1.8 0.1
PC 24 Rush, Justin....... 16 2.9 12.3  1.26 23.0  1.4 3.1 1.3 0.1
HC 34 Williams, Deshaun.. 7 2.6 8.6  1.71 21.6  2.3 1.1 1.3 0.0
MC 11 Wes Lambert........ 16 1.8 10.5  1.27 21.5  1.9 1.3 0.8 0.0
LC 10 Dillon McLaughlin.. 18 1.8 9.5  1.23 20.8  3.2 3.1 1.3 0.1
HC 50 Murray, Doug....... 8 2.4 10.4  1.20 20.1  1.0 1.6 0.8 0.1
MC 5 Jordan Damron...... 16 1.9 9.0  1.20 19.4  2.3 2.4 1.3 0.1
HC 30 Sampleton, David... 15 3.1 7.3  0.97 15.8  0.9 1.9 0.7 0.1
HC 3 Roberts, Chris..... 13 0.8 9.5  1.48 15.8  0.4 1.0 0.7 0.0
PC 33 Chatman, Mike...... 11 2.2 5.4  1.31 15.5  2.0 1.5 1.2 0.3
LC 50 Deji Adako......... 18 4.8 5.3  1.02 15.5  0.6 1.3 0.4 0.2
PC 32 Gardner, Tracy..... 16 6.3 3.3  1.10 15.4  0.8 1.3 0.4 0.4

Looks like Pittman is pulling away from the pack ... and Rubio is closing the gap on the 8th spot.

Looks like a horse race is developing for freshman of the year between Rush and Lambert ... and McLaughlin is within striking distance.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 21, 2009, 10:10:22 PM
these stats are amazing Old Lion
I give player of the year to watson or hernandez depending how the scots play out their undefeated GSAC title in 2009

Also, did anyone hear about the 73 year old guy who got a dunk in the game against the MC JV team, seriously coach wallace, work on your team defense
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 22, 2009, 11:53:46 AM
Doh!   That was ugly ... like every PC/LC game I've ever seen, it was a hard fought, close contest.  But that's about as far as I can go with the positives ...
http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/MensBasketball/mgame19.htm

I guess that's par for the course for a young team ... two steps forward, one step back.  Well, this one was definitely a step back.  It's tough when you allow the other team to jump out to a 16 - 3 lead.  At times, it looked like both teams were trying to give it away.  Unfortunately, we were more successful in that endeavor than they were.  LC threw some of the worst cross court passes I've ever seen ... they gave us 5 or 6 layups. (Coaching point: How do you throw a cross court pass? Hard ... and more importantly, seldom!)    LC finished with 25 turnovers.

One other positive ... Justin Rush had 15 points in 15 minutes.  Considering that we lost by 5, I wonder if he could have gotten 21 in 21 minutes.  Yeah, I know, it's not that simple ... But, many in the stands were scratching their heads as to why he wasn't in the game down the stretch.  He did put us up by 3 with a steal and a dunk at the 7 minute mark ...

Another head scratcher ... they out rebounded us considerably, by 11.  With all due respect, LC does not have an imposing front line.  We gotta give better effort than that.

Congrats to my two Gwinnett County boys, Dillon and Clay, on the W.  They both had pretty good games.  An "ugly W' beats the heck out of any kind of "L"  ... all day, every day.

OK, Young Lions, let's see some character ... you have to bounce back from a game like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 22, 2009, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 21, 2009, 10:10:22 PM
these stats are amazing Old Lion

Not a big deal, Grubb.  After you set up the Excel spreadshet initially, it's just a matter of a little cut and paste ... then sorting however you'd like.  I will say that the stat section on the GSAC's site is a big help, since it has everyone's stats in the same format.


Quote from: mattgrubb on January 21, 2009, 10:10:22 PM
I give player of the year to watson or hernandez depending how the scots play out their undefeated GSAC title in 2009

Now there's a big surprise ...   ::)   :D


Quote from: mattgrubb on January 21, 2009, 10:10:22 PM
Also, did anyone hear about the 73 year old guy who got a dunk in the game against the MC JV team,

That's a joke, right?  What's the rest of that story?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2009, 09:52:32 PM
Old Lion
there is a 73 year old player for Roane State community college.  just google Ken Mink, that is his name.
He is Coach Wallace's Daddeigh
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 22, 2009, 11:03:28 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 22, 2009, 09:52:32 PM
Old Lion
there is a 73 year old player for Roane State community college.  just google Ken Mink, that is his name.
He is Coach Wallace's Daddeigh


Wow ... that's quite a story.
http://knoxnews.com/photos/galleries/2009/jan/20/ken-mink/

Here I was thinking it's about time for me to hang em up.  Heck, if this guy can still play on a college team ... then Ive got decades of pick-up ball left in me.   :o   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
the lions could use your crafty moves on the court and your veteran, very veteran leadership in the locker room
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 25, 2009, 01:34:34 AM
After the MC Huntingdon game I got several bits of information.  First, never leave the game early to watch the last five minutes of UT because they will lose.  Second, if MC shoots the three point shot well they are very very hard to beat.  Also, Pittman is a very good player, but Huntingdon needs to find some other people to help the cause.  Overall MC won without playing their best.  Peanut was the only one who really turned up the heat and played well.  I will say this, Wes Lambert, even when not shooting the three, contributed through his defensive intensity and smart basketball.  Peace, Love, and go Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 25, 2009, 06:23:13 PM
Here is the Daily Times on the MC-Huntingdon game:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090125/SPORTS/301259968

I concur that the Scots did not play very well except for Dustin.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on January 25, 2009, 06:39:34 PM
The Scots are still getting better. Not playing well and winning is better than not playing well and getting the L. I still believe that with a win out the Scots will be THE LAST team to make the NCAA field. As the Grubby One and even Killer would know, never count the Scots out until the last song is played and the dj is packing up his stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 25, 2009, 07:15:28 PM
http://www.piedmontlions.com/index.asp?path=mbball

Yeah, baby!  We needed that one ... way to go, Rubio.

Also, strong games from stalwarts, Coppage and Herebia.

And apparently, young Mr. Gardner would like a spot on the all-frosh team ... an excellent all-around game ... his strongest to date.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/08-09stats/pcm18.htm

We had a positive assist to turnover ratio and we out rebounded them ... all in all, a good day.  Way to bounce back, Lions!


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 26, 2009, 11:04:47 PM
Up late watching tape. The life of a coach. Decided to take a break and remind the Lions where they are coming this week...MARYVILLE.
Piedmont vs Maryville = LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL for the Lions

It will be close for the first 8 minutes and then Damron 3,Lambert3, Watson Lay-up , Hernandez and 1.. Scots up 11 push it to 16 by the half, end up winning by the score of 94-73.

Old Lion I might be at the game. Hope to see you there. Will be the first time I see the Scots live! Old Lion this is what will happen. Coppage will come out forcing and Rubio will be a non-factor.. Dang I talk a whole lot of mess. I honestly think it will be a better game than I just rambled about. The Scots are living too much on the 3pt line for my liking. The Scot ball we played was more Inside/Out.. Lets get a dose of Hernandez and Watson to the basket..

By the way any of you coaches out there who read this have a 6'6 215lbs SR post player interested in playing college ball. Email me if interested.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 26, 2009, 11:52:44 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 26, 2009, 11:04:47 PM
Dang I talk a whole lot of mess.

Well Killer, at least you're an honest man.

Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 26, 2009, 11:04:47 PM
Piedmont vs Maryville = LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL for the Lions

Not diplomatic, or tactful ... but honest ...  ;D

Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 26, 2009, 11:04:47 PM
Old Lion I might be at the game. Hope to see you there. Will be the first time I see the Scots live! Old Lion this is what will happen. Coppage will come out forcing and Rubio will be a non-factor.. Dang I talk a whole lot of mess. I honestly think it will be a better game than I just rambled about. The Scots are living too much on the 3pt line for my liking. The Scot ball we played was more Inside/Out.. Lets get a dose of Hernandez and Watson to the basket..

I just might see you there, Killer.  I'm trying to firm up the details for a Lions/Scots and Vols/Gators double header ... and, of course, a Grubby One tailgate party.  I have some reservations about the Vols/Gators game though ... don't know if I can stomach that much orange!   :-\

I agree with your comments about the Scots shooting the 3 ... they do seem to be fogging it up more than normal.  Let's see ... your two best players are Hernandez and Watson ... and they are both beasts taking it to the hole.  Hmmm ... seems like a good idea to me.  You've always had a keen understanding of strategy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 27, 2009, 12:10:56 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 21, 2009, 12:03:15 AM

gsac Stats - Sorted by Power Value Rating
Top 20 or so, as of 1/20/09

School   Player               GP rpg ppg  PPS PVR  apg tpg spg bpg
             
HC 15 Pittman, Jeremy.... 15 8.9 18.6  1.54 46.1  1.2 2.1 1.8 1.5
MC 33 Eryk Watson........ 15 4.8 19.7  1.34 40.1  2.4 2.9 1.4 0.4
PC 50 Herebia, J.C....... 16 6.1 18.6  1.53 38.8  0.8 1.5 1.2 0.4
MC 50 Greg Hernandez..... 16 7.6 15.8  1.59 37.9  1.2 1.7 0.8 0.9
             
LC 32 Joe Cromwell....... 18 4.3 14.4  1.16 31.0  1.3 1.9 0.8 1.0
PC 11 Coppage, Samuel.... 16 3.5 13.5  1.70 30.3  4.3 3.6 0.9 0.1
LC   4 Nic Whitfield ......  18 5.7 11.1  1.16 30.0  2.0 2.2 1.0 1.3
HC 40 Sprouse, Reggie.... 15 4.3 13.5  1.15 29.7  2.1 3.3 2.2 0.3
             
PC 23 Rubio, Michael..... 16 3.6 13.4  1.20 28.7  1.9 2.4 1.8 0.1
PC 24 Rush, Justin....... 16 2.9 12.3  1.26 23.0  1.4 3.1 1.3 0.1
HC 34 Williams, Deshaun.. 7 2.6 8.6  1.71 21.6  2.3 1.1 1.3 0.0
MC 11 Wes Lambert........ 16 1.8 10.5  1.27 21.5  1.9 1.3 0.8 0.0
LC 10 Dillon McLaughlin.. 18 1.8 9.5  1.23 20.8  3.2 3.1 1.3 0.1
HC 50 Murray, Doug....... 8 2.4 10.4  1.20 20.1  1.0 1.6 0.8 0.1
MC 5 Jordan Damron...... 16 1.9 9.0  1.20 19.4  2.3 2.4 1.3 0.1
HC 30 Sampleton, David... 15 3.1 7.3  0.97 15.8  0.9 1.9 0.7 0.1
HC 3 Roberts, Chris..... 13 0.8 9.5  1.48 15.8  0.4 1.0 0.7 0.0
PC 33 Chatman, Mike...... 11 2.2 5.4  1.31 15.5  2.0 1.5 1.2 0.3
LC 50 Deji Adako......... 18 4.8 5.3  1.02 15.5  0.6 1.3 0.4 0.2
PC 32 Gardner, Tracy..... 16 6.3 3.3  1.10 15.4  0.8 1.3 0.4 0.4

Looks like Pittman is pulling away from the pack ... and Rubio is closing the gap on the 8th spot.

Looks like a horse race is developing for freshman of the year between Rush and Lambert ... and McLaughlin is within striking distance.


New and improved ... now with shooting %s   :o

gsac Stats - Sorted by Power Value Rating
Top 20 or so, as of 1/26/09

School   Player               GP FG Pct 3 Pct FT Pct rpg ppg  PPS PVR  apg tpg spg bpg

HC 15 Pittman, Jeremy.... 16 49.5% 50.0% 68.5% 8.6 18.6  1.54 45.5  1.3 2.1 1.7 1.4
MC 33 Eryk Watson........ 16 46.3% 41.1% 87.0% 4.7 19.4  1.35 39.2  2.4 3.1 1.5 0.4
PC  50 Herebia, J.C.......  18  62.3% 0.0% 73.4% 6.4 17.9  1.52 38.1  0.7 1.5 1.1 0.4
MC 50 Greg Hernandez..... 17 56.4% 0.0% 76.9% 7.9 15.5  1.62 37.6  1.1 1.7 0.8 0.8
               
LC 32 Joe Cromwell.......  20  50.8% 40.8% 67.6% 4.6 15.1  1.19 32.3  1.3 2.0 0.8 1.0
PC 11 Coppage, Samuel.... 18 46.3% 42.5% 86.2% 3.6 14.1  1.72 31.5  4.2 3.5 1.0 0.1
LC 4   Nic Whitfield......    20  47.6% 0.0% 60.8% 6.0 11.3  1.19 30.4  2.0 2.4 1.1 1.3
HC 55 Sprouse, Reggie.... 16 39.8% 27.1% 61.0% 4.2 13.2  1.13 28.5  1.9 3.4 2.1 0.3
               
PC 23 Rubio, Michael..... 18 34.5% 35.8% 79.5% 3.4 13.6  1.24 28.4  1.8 2.4 1.8 0.1
HC 34 Williams, Deshaun.. 8 51.1% 38.5% 61.1% 2.4 9.8  1.73 23.1  2.5 1.6 1.5 0.0
PC 24 Rush, Justin....... 18 46.6% 31.0% 73.2% 2.8 12.1  1.22 22.9  1.4 2.8 1.3 0.1
MC 11 Wes Lambert........ 17 43.8% 44.2% 57.1% 1.6 10.2  1.27 21.1  2.1 1.3 0.8 0.0
MC 5 Jordan Damron...... 17 38.8% 37.0% 87.8% 1.9 9.8  1.29 20.5  2.3 2.5 1.3 0.1
LC 10 Dillon McLaughlin.. 20 37.0% 35.2% 88.2% 2.0 9.5  1.23 20.3  2.9 3.1 1.2 0.1
HC 50 Murry, Doug........ 8 42.0% 20.0% 65.6% 2.4 10.4  1.20 20.1  1.0 1.6 0.8 0.1
PC 32 Gardner, Tracy..... 18 42.4% 22.2% 60.0% 6.5 4.0  1.09 17.6  0.9 1.1 0.6 0.4
LC 50 Deji Adako......... 20 34.6% 0.0% 61.0% 5.2 5.4  1.04 16.2  0.6 1.4 0.5 0.2
HC 30 Sampleton, David... 16 31.6% 22.9% 68.9% 3.0 7.3  0.99 15.7  0.8 1.8 0.8 0.1
HC 11 Turnipseed, D'Awval 8 41.2% 32.1% 25.0% 2.5 6.5  1.02 15.7  0.9 1.1 1.3 0.1
HC 3 Roberts, Chris..... 14 49.4% 50.8% 100.0% 0.7 9.2  1.45 15.1  0.4 1.0 0.7 0.0

Quite a battle developing for that final spot ... assuming, of course, that the gsac brain trust continues it's infamous 4 to a team logic.  logic ... obviously, I use the term loosely ...   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 27, 2009, 12:29:59 PM
I think the DamLam combo is going global.  i can't wait til erin andrews shows up to do a story on these two ballers/bachelors.  She would turn into a groupy real quick.

I love old lion's statistical analysis.  Even with those numbers, I still think the best players in the league are watson and hernandez.  In order for me to change that opinion, someone is going to have to beat the scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 27, 2009, 01:25:13 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 27, 2009, 12:29:59 PM
Even with those numbers, I still think the best players in the league are watson and hernandez.  In order for me to change that opinion, someone is going to have to beat the scots
There s/b more to picking the best players, than just the #s.  Although I've never seen much evidence that the "gsac deciders" have ever considered much other than scoring #s. Rebounding #s, maybe ...

But that aside, allow me to play devil's advocate for a minute ..

Let's assume, for purposes of discussion, that the PVR #s do actually identify the four best players ... with Pittman having a slight, but clear, edge over the others. That being the case, I have a tough time accepting that HC's inability to beat MC would somehow indicate that Pittman is not the best player.

Think about it  Hernandez and Watson have each other, as well as the clearly better team.  MC should beat HC.  The best player is the best player ... regardless of how good his team is.   Didn't we set that precedent last year?

I'm not necessarily saying Pittman is the best player ... though he'd get my vote at this point.  I'm just taking exception to your "winner take all" viewpoint.

Quote from: mattgrubb on January 27, 2009, 12:29:59 PM
i can't wait til erin andrews shows up to do a story on these two ballers/bachelors. 

I think you should invite her to your MC/PC tail gate party.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 27, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
i will see if she will come to the tailgate
I would argue that having other good players on your team does limit your numbers b/c if you have a good rebounder then you don't need to rebound as much or score if you have a good scorer.

Like when randy lambert played, he averaged 31 pts per game, but they never won nothin but man he sure scored a lot of points and had a lot of hair

good players do what their team needs them to do to win and that should be the criteria and i do love old lions statability

speaking of statability, ken mink is still ballin at 73, i hope coach wallace has a plan to handle him next year when he is 74
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 28, 2009, 08:51:22 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 27, 2009, 04:59:29 PM

I would argue that having other good players on your team does limit your numbers b/c if you have a good rebounder then you don't need to rebound as much or score if you have a good scorer.


You make some good points, my friend.  There are always at least two sides to most issues.

Statability?  I think maybe you've been listening to a little too much Clark Kellogg ...   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 28, 2009, 09:44:15 AM
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/08-09stats/pcm19.htm

Two in a row ... two in a row ...

Now we roll into Murvul, to raze their village, salt their fields, steal their women, and ravage their cattle.  OK, I'm getting a little carried away with the euphoria of our two game winning streak ... and I think I got that last part backwards.   ;D  Sorry Killer, I've never been much of a smack talker.  But anyway ...

Some observations from last night ...
* Solid effort, especially offensively
* Balanced scoring, our top 4 scorers were all in double figures
* Took care of the ball, 15 assists, only 7 turnovers ... outstanding ...
* Sloan, 2 blocks and 3/3 on FGs, now up to 69% for the year ... not too shabby

And how about play making Tracy Gardner ... 8 assists with  no turnovers in the last 2 games.  This guy has been a solid, warrior type all season.  I have a feeling that he is going to be this year's overlooked intangibles guy.  With the gsac's solid freshman class, there is a chance he won't even make the all-frosh team.  That would be a shame.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 28, 2009, 03:11:35 PM
Randy Lambert muses in the Daily Times about the economy encouraging conference realignments.  Especially whether SCAC schools can continue their expensive travel habits.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090128/SPORTS/301289989
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2009, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 28, 2009, 03:11:35 PM
Randy Lambert muses in the Daily Times about the economy encouraging conference realignments.  Especially whether SCAC schools can continue their expensive travel habits.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090128/SPORTS/301289989

Pull quote...

QuoteRandy Lambert, former Scots athletic director and men's basketball coach, said thinning travel budgets could present a huge opportunity for Maryville. After being denied admission to the mammoth Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference in the past, Lambert said he thinks the Scots could become part of a divisional alignment of schools in that conference from Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia and Alabama. The SCAC currently stretches from Georgia to as far away as Texas and Colorado.

He wishes.

Sewanee, Centre and Rhodes are charter members of the SCAC, founded in 1962. Millsaps and Trinity joined in 1988; Hendrix and Oglethorpe in 1991.

He is hoping for Sewanee, Centre, Rhodes and Oglethorpe to leave the SCAC and join Maryville, BSC, Piedmont, LaGrange and Huntingdon.  Schools in their exploratory year with the NCAA, Covenant and Berry, might even be invited.

That gives 7 football schools, but it abandons four women's colleges.

The SCAC is actually going the other way.  They have expanded towards higher profile colleges, with larger endowments and Phi Beta Kappa chapters.  That includes Austin College, BSC and Colorado College.  Oglethorpe's Phil Ponder was interviewed on Hoopsville on Sunday night.  He gave no indication that the SCAC was doing anything with respect to re-organization and that their (OU) president is trying to strengthen Oglethorpe's position in the SCAC, with all of its travel.

My thought about that article is what happens for travel in the USA South.

Shenandoah has travel demands.  The closest school to Shenandoah is CNU, 211 miles away.  Methodist is 359 miles away.

CNU is 129 miles from NCWC; 234 to Methodist; 218 to Averett; 268 to G'boro and 294 to Ferrum.

If CNU looks up the peninsula, Salisbury is 151; St Mary's MD is 179; Wesley is 212; York PA in 270.  Mary Washington is 121. Gallaudet is 175. Stevenson is 227.  Hood is 213.  Marymount is 176. Hood is 213 miles.

Shenandoah is 118 miles from York PA and 204 to Wesley. Hood is 52.  St Mary's Md is 150. Salisbury is 198.  Almost every school in the Capital is closer than CNU!

The Capital AC could add Shenandoah and CNU.  Football schools already in the CAC include Salisbury, Wesley and Gallaudet.  Stevenson is rumored to be adding football in the near future.  That makes six. You are one shy of the AQ in football.  Frostburg State as an affiliate?  Seven!

I think that we can make the case for the GSAC Men and the USA South to merge  and form divisions, and let the GSAC continue its women's AQ status.

The USA South has Peace, Meredith and Mary Baldwin.

The GSAC has Agnes Scott, Spelman and Wesleyan.  There is some symmetry there.

It makes for interesting conjecture.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 28, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
Ralph are you thinking the coed GSAC schools and the women's GSAC schools would/might stay together for women's sports and add the three USA South women's schools, for a ten school women's conference?

I agree that there is too much class/Phi Beta Kappa pride at stake for the SCAC schools voluntarily to split and get involved with, as you might put it, "lower profile" schools.  That is less an issue for the USA South, I'd say. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2009, 12:35:02 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 28, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
Ralph are you thinking the coed GSAC schools and the women's GSAC schools would/might stay together for women's sports and add the three USA South women's schools, for a ten school women's conference?

I agree that there is too much class/Phi Beta Kappa pride at stake for the SCAC schools voluntarily to split and get involved with, as you might put it, "lower profile" schools.  That is less an issue for the USA South, I'd say. 
Good evening, Doug!

I think that the two conferences can work together on these issues.

It is the men's programs that are "sweating" the limits.

I don't want the GSAC women to lose their bids.

Let's play "what if".

What if Shenandoah and CNU left the USA South?

If Shenandoah and CNU left the USA South, the USA South would still have these women's AQ bids:  Basketball, Soccer, Softball, Tennis, Volleyball!  Every USA South AQ bid would be intact with 8 members.  (Only 5 USA South teams, including Shenandoah and CNU, play Lacrosse.  That is not enough to get a Pool A bid.  The Capital AC already has the AQ in women's lacrosse.  LaGrange and Agnes Scott also play women's lacrosse, so they could affiliate.  That is a wash.)

There would be no change in GSAC women's teams.  If Berry and Covenant women joined the GSAC, there would be the addition of a Pool A bid in women's volleyball when at least one of those two teams became a full member.  That is a plus!  (Summary -- GSAC women would keep all current AQ bids!)


Let's look at what would happen if the USA South took the GSAC men's teams as affiliates (after Shenandoah and CNU left).

The core five USA South teams would keep all AQ's by taking the "GSAC-4" as affiliates in the men's sports:  Soccer, Football, Basketball, Tennis, Baseball and Golf. The four GSAC men's schools sponsor the same sports as the USA South teams except "Piedmont" football.  CNU and Shenandoah football out; Huntingdon and LaGrange football in.

If we end up with Covenant and/or Berry plus the GSAC-4 in the "South", and the USA South teams in the "North", you have a solid conference. Remember, the USA South had two "recruit" Maryville and "add" NCWC football to solidify itself in the AQ, when Chowan was kicked out!  I realize that LaGrange and Huntingdon are far from NCWC and Ferrum (those are ASC distances), but it does solidify the USA South (Men's) Athletic Conference.  (Shenandoah is the one who is on record of trying to find another home!  Shenandoah and CNU are already closer to Capital AC schools than their own USA South schools.)

In summary, we have the Great South (Women's only) Athletic Conference, and the (co-ed) USA South Athletic Conference.

We can watch it.   :)


For what it's worth, the new USA South could call its men's divisions "east" and "west".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 29, 2009, 07:45:40 AM
Ralph:

There's been talk/speculation of merger for years.  Nothing seems to get done...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 29, 2009, 07:59:11 AM
http://chronicle.com/weekly/v55/i21/21a01301.htm
From the issue dated January 30, 2009

Athletics Programs Scramble to Streamline Budgets in Difficult Times
By LIBBY SANDER

Don't let the glitz of this year's bowl games fool you. It's a frugal new world for many college athletics departments, where everything from bottled water to major capital projects is on the chopping block.

The potential savings come in myriad forms, athletics officials say: Traveling in vans instead of buses, or buses instead of airplanes. Staying in hotels that offer free breakfast. Scheduling games strategically to cut back on lengthy trips. Purchasing new uniforms every four years instead of every three. And so on.

"There's a real opportunity now to get refocused and streamline some of the craziness we've gotten ourselves into," Tim Curley, athletic director at Pennsylvania State University, said during a standing-room-only session on the economy at the National Collegiate Athletic Association's recent annual meeting in National Harbor, Md.

His hope, he said, was that "we can put our competitive hats aside and look at the fiscal realities all of us are faced with."

As 3,000-plus athletics officials roamed the halls of the convention, they were not just looking at the fiscal realities — they were practically consumed by them.

Athletic directors and other officials at public institutions said they were nervously awaiting state budgets in the coming months to see just how deeply they will have to cut expenses in the next fiscal year.

Officials at tuition-driven private institutions, where athletics plays a key role in overall student recruitment, said they were anxious about the financial impact of luring just five or 10 fewer athletes next year.

And even athletic directors at some wealthier private colleges said their endowments took such a hit in recent months that they felt they were worse off than officials at institutions that have smaller long-term savings.

Pragmatic Responses

The consensus among administrators, regardless of their situation, was clear: We've had a good run. Now let's tighten our belts.

"We've already been told, 'Expect to have less next year,'" said Gregory A. Christopher, athletic director at Bowling Green State University, in Ohio. The warning prompted Mr. Christopher and his staff to take a hard look at their top priorities. The winners? "Scholarships and operating dollars," he said. "Those are the two things that affect your competitiveness the most."

Team travel costs are one of the biggest drains on athletics departments' budgets. At Grand Valley State University, in Michigan, a 20-percent to 25-percent increase in travel expenses — and jumps for some trips as high as 50 percent — forced officials "to get even more creative to cut costs in other ways," said Lisa Sweany, Grand Valley's senior associate athletic director.

Recruiting expenses are also in the cross hairs at Division III institutions, which do not offer athletics scholarships. This is happening, officials say, even as it becomes more difficult for coaches at those institutions to lure cost-conscious students.

"Recruiting's been a little bit tougher," said Christine Worsley, associate director for athletics at the Rochester Institute of Technology. "Parents — yes, they're looking for the best school. But a lot of their decision is based on economics."

Ms. Worsley recently received a memorandum from her athletic director instructing her to visit a representative of an online recruiting service — another way to recruit athletes, minus the expensive travel — at the NCAA convention.

But even large, high-profile programs like the one at Penn State are not immune from economic pressures, Mr. Curley said. Utility costs in Pennsylvania have increased between 40 percent and 100 percent, he said. And travel expenses continue to rise, a particular liability for an institution like Penn State, which is situated at the far eastern edge of the Big Ten, a Midwestern conference.

New Revenue Streams

As many athletics officials seek ways to cut back on their expenses, a top NCAA official said that they should also look for ways to increase their revenue.

With fund raising and allocations from state governments slackening, Division I athletic directors should consider increased commercial activity as a way to boost income, Wallace I. Renfro, an NCAA vice president, said in the "state of the association" speech. (Mr. Renfro is a top adviser to the association's president, Myles Brand, who did not give the speech this year because he is undergoing treatment for pancreatic cancer.)

Selling the rights to present and distribute sporting events is one way to boost revenue in difficult economic times, Mr. Renfro said, mentioning a "limitless" array of new-media outlets as potential customers. Other ways include marketing merchandise with team logos, having a coach endorse a commercial product, and selling signage in an arena or stadium. And all of those could be done without exploiting individual athletes, he said.

But Mr. Curley said he felt that the current fiscal climate provided a chance to promote some long-overdue changes in college athletics — possibly at the conference or national level — that could save money and benefit athletes.

The "nontraditional" season for teams that compete during the fall finds many teams traveling to distant locations like Arizona or Florida to practice in warmer weather. That can be a great expense for athletics departments, Mr. Curley said.

"Do we really need to have a nontraditional season?" Mr. Curley said in an interview. "We've got kids going 365 days a year. Maybe this is an opportunity to give them a little downtime."

For John Harper, athletic director at Bridgewater State College, in Massachusetts, just traveling to the NCAA's annual meeting required effort. "I had to beg to come here," said Mr. Harper. For budgetary reasons, his college all but banned out-of-state travel.

"I haven't had a salary increase in three years," he said. "But you know what? That's OK. I have a job."

Even the smallest steps can save a few thousand dollars, some officials said. For Bridget Belgiovine, athletic director at Wellesley College, simply eliminating the athletics department's delivery of bottled water made a difference. Though it certainly isn't the only cost-cutting measure she will have to take in coming months, it's a start.

"Do we need the Poland Spring water? No," she said. "We can get a Brita."
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Copyright © 2009 by The Chronicle of Higher Education

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 29, 2009, 08:46:09 AM
I thought I'd share a little red state/blue state humor that showed up in my in box recently.  Some may even say it contains a little truth told in jest.  Enjoy.

For those that don't know about history ... here is a condensed version:

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals, and
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America ... They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.
Here ends today's lesson in world history:

It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.

A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.

And there you have it. Let your next action reveal your true self.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: wilburt on January 29, 2009, 07:45:40 AM
Ralph:

There's been talk/speculation of merger for years.  Nothing seems to get done...
Yes, just showing the practical results of such an effort.   ;)

I thought that Coach Lambert's comments were interesting.  Having seen how Trinity, Southwestern and Austin College have migrated "away" from the core institutions that comprise the ASC, it seemed improbable that Rhodes, Sewanee and Centre were of a different mindset.

Therefore, I thought, what if this is a diversion.  After all, Rommel thought Patton would lead D-Day.

I talked with a key individual at Stevenson (former Villa Julie College) which is considering football.  I looked at what it would take for the Capital AC (Salisbury, Wesley, Gallaudet and Stevenson) to earn a Pool A in football, and took the discussion from there.

Have a good day!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 29, 2009, 11:27:41 AM
Old_Lion:  The only really cheap shot is the bit about the designated hitter, which is far too awful an idea to have come from liberals.

Ralph:  Your scenario seems too sensible actually to happen, but something needs to and probably will happen.  Not much good can come from the economic mess but accidents do happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 29, 2009, 11:39:12 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 29, 2009, 11:27:41 AM
Old_Lion:  The only really cheap shot is the bit about the designated hitter, which is far too awful an idea to have come from liberals.

Good point!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 30, 2009, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 16, 2009, 12:02:03 AM
that ticket comes with a tailgate party that includes the mc cheerleaders and dance team
You are the man Old Lion

OK Grubby One ... Young Lion and I are making the trip ... where should I meet you to get my ticket ... or better yet, what time does the tailgate party start?   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2009, 01:11:35 PM
whenever the old lion gets here, there is no party without the old lion

Lets try and get the killer, the grubby one, and the old lion to watch the game together
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2009, 10:28:59 PM
Old Lion,
the grubby one has tickets for you for tomorrow's game
they are under my name at the ticket gate
give me a shout tomorrow
8657551926
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 31, 2009, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 30, 2009, 10:28:59 PM
Old Lion,
the grubby one has tickets for you for tomorrow's game
they are under my name at the ticket gate
give me a shout tomorrow
8657551926

That's great.  Between you and KC22 (he has us UT/UF tickets) you guys are really taking care of us.   I'll give you a call when we get in the area.

Young Lion and I will be practicing the "Is that not the winning team?" cheer on the way up ... just in case.  Hey, who knows?  It has to happen sooner or later ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 31, 2009, 10:06:59 AM
Interesting angle on the Hernandez-Herebia matchup in the post today:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090131/SPORTS/301319978
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2009, 10:48:55 AM
greg will do well and he would do better if the killer was there to support him but the killer has moved on to following JP Prince of the vols, who is not good
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 31, 2009, 07:10:44 PM
Piedmont being Piedmont!! Old Lion what did I tell you. Scots won with E Watson shooting 1-11 fromt he field!!

When you challenge a Cuban he always comes through!! Double-Double! Good Job Lambo.. Piedmont should refer to Randy as daddy like Pedro Martinez did when he faced the Yankees..

Point Guard play has always killed Piedmont. Bo Mason, Jeff McCord, Ruben Gonzalez lists goes on and on. Damron just gave them the business..  Little Lambert keeps doing his thing. Maverick aka "Top Gun" great minutes... By the way did I say Lambo owns Piedmont...... 0-37207082109210 against us..lol.. I guess I have run my mouth a little too much on this but talk is cheap when you can't back it up.. Old Lion be good and stay up. There will come a day when Piedmont comes up on top in the scoreboard. Women's Volleyball is dang good there.. Ok enough.. On to the UT game.. By the way JP Prince is garbage.. Get my boy NEGEDU IN THE GAME!!!!

On to UT vs Florida should be a good one!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 31, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
MC scots are super ready for the NCAA tournament.  What are the chances that MC wins out and doesn't make the tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2009, 10:56:45 PM
the G Unit came through as expected
a quote that was left out of the newspaper by Greg about Herebia was, "Randy, sit down, have you lost your mind, I am all you need, you crazy old man.  Apparently you have lost your hair color and your sense of judgement.  now give me all the minutes i want."

Actually, Greg has earned his minutes by producing and getting himself in shape.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2009, 12:00:24 PM
You'd think Killer could at least be there to support his fellow Cuban, wouldn't you?  Even the Old and Young Lion drove all the way from Georgia.

Here is the Daily Times link (good to read you, Marcus!)

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090201/SPORTS/302019958

I bet the odds are high that the Scots will win out and not go to the NCAA.  That disaster at Rust and losing  to Hanover, which has only won a few games.....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 01, 2009, 05:51:58 PM
Well, the Young Lion and I had a good day enjoying the hospitality of East Tennessee.

I enjoyed visiting with ScottieDoug and The Grubby One.  And we really appreciated Grubb hooking us up with tickets.  In other words, I'm glad we didn't have to pay to watch that crap!  Not one of PC's best efforts ... I'm certain MC had a lot to do with that.

As usual, Murvul played impressive team ball, especially on the defensive end.  Individually, I was most impressed with "Skinny" Hernandez (although JC held his own) and Murvul's top 3 freshmen.  I'd say the future looks bright for MC.  I'm very insightful, right?   ::)

And a shout out to KC22 ... he got us a big time hookup for UT/UF, with loge seating and passes to The Courtside Club ... a first class experience!  But, I must say, all that orange was, let's be diplomatic here, overwhelming.  As a UGA grad, I've never been more appreciative of the fact that our colors are Red and Black.   :D

But seriously, thanks Robot.  Come see us when you are in the area.  You know you are always welcome at our house.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 01, 2009, 06:03:41 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on January 31, 2009, 07:10:44 PM
Piedmont being Piedmont!! Old Lion what did I tell you. Scots won with E Watson shooting 1-11 fromt he field!!

Killer, Killer ... give it a rest ... there is something to be said for losing, or winning, with grace.   ;)

I'll give you an example ... there was a small group of us (OK, maybe it was just me ... ) who considered responding to Murvul's "end of game cheer".

Here's what I came up with ...

Is that not the team winning with class?
  Yes, that is the team winning with class.

Is that not the team losing with dignity?
  Yes, that is the team losing with dignity.

Is that not an a$$hole leading a tasteless cheer?
  Yes, that is an a$$hole leading a tasteless cheer.

Winning with class ...
  Winning with class!

Losing with dignity ...
  Losing with dignity!

A$$hole ...
  A$$hole!

Nice, huh?  But then I thought ... I don't really want to yell "a$$hole" in public ... even if it would be appropriate.   :)

Killer, you are still one of my favorite all time PG's ...   ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 01, 2009, 08:01:32 PM
Appreciate the love old lion!! Nice to see you at the UT vs UF game.. It was a good one..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2009, 11:22:06 PM
It was nice seeing and chatting with you, Old_Lion, and meeting Young_Lion, who is not as likely to chat as His Dad.  And the Grubby One in person is not the Grubby One on this board.

It does not take much UT orange for it to be too much, I agree.  But y'all are always welcome around here as far as I am concerned.  Even if you bring a better team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 01, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
as usual Old Lion, I really don't agree with you about the winning team cheer.  There is nothing degrading about the cheer and it is all in good fun...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
the cheer has become regionally famous and the people on the other side never seem to like it much

Piedmont has some organizational issues on the floor and a little less talent than murvul, but they could give the scots a game at PC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 02, 2009, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 01, 2009, 11:22:06 PM
It was nice seeing and chatting with you, Old_Lion, and meeting Young_Lion, who is not as likely to chat as His Dad.  And the Grubby One in person is not the Grubby One on this board.

It does not take much UT orange for it to be too much, I agree.  But y'all are always welcome around here as far as I am concerned.  Even if you bring a better team.

Thanks Scottie, I appreciate the sentiment.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 02, 2009, 10:26:03 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 02, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
the cheer has become regionally famous and the people on the other side never seem to like it much

It certainly is distinctive.  If I were on "the Murvul side", I'm sure I'd see it from a different perspective ... but still, in my many years, I've been associated with several very good, consistently winning teams ... and I've just always been a big fan of winning gracefully.  I mean, come on ... after you've just kicked someone's butt, it s/b easy to be magnanimous at that point.


Quote from: mattgrubb on February 02, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
Piedmont has some organizational issues on the floor and a little less talent than murvul, but they could give the scots a game at PC

It's possible ... we'll just have to see which team shows up.  We've been very up and down this season.  But I'll give credit where credit is due ... the way Murvul plays, they do a great job of increasing the odds that you are not going to have one of your better games against them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 04, 2009, 12:15:42 PM
Here is link to DailyTimes article on the Scots' as they are growing up:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090204/SPORTS/302049977
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2009, 03:42:10 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 27, 2009, 12:10:56 AM

gsac Stats - Sorted by Power Value Rating
Top 20 or so, as of 1/26/09

School   Player               GP FG Pct 3 Pct FT Pct rpg ppg  PPS PVR  apg tpg spg bpg

HC 15 Pittman, Jeremy.... 16 49.5% 50.0% 68.5% 8.6 18.6  1.54 45.5  1.3 2.1 1.7 1.4
MC 33 Eryk Watson........ 16 46.3% 41.1% 87.0% 4.7 19.4  1.35 39.2  2.4 3.1 1.5 0.4
PC  50 Herebia, J.C.......  18  62.3% 0.0% 73.4% 6.4 17.9  1.52 38.1  0.7 1.5 1.1 0.4
MC 50 Greg Hernandez..... 17 56.4% 0.0% 76.9% 7.9 15.5  1.62 37.6  1.1 1.7 0.8 0.8
               
LC 32 Joe Cromwell.......  20  50.8% 40.8% 67.6% 4.6 15.1  1.19 32.3  1.3 2.0 0.8 1.0
PC 11 Coppage, Samuel.... 18 46.3% 42.5% 86.2% 3.6 14.1  1.72 31.5  4.2 3.5 1.0 0.1
LC 4   Nic Whitfield......    20  47.6% 0.0% 60.8% 6.0 11.3  1.19 30.4  2.0 2.4 1.1 1.3
HC 55 Sprouse, Reggie.... 16 39.8% 27.1% 61.0% 4.2 13.2  1.13 28.5  1.9 3.4 2.1 0.3
               
PC 23 Rubio, Michael..... 18 34.5% 35.8% 79.5% 3.4 13.6  1.24 28.4  1.8 2.4 1.8 0.1
HC 34 Williams, Deshaun.. 8 51.1% 38.5% 61.1% 2.4 9.8  1.73 23.1  2.5 1.6 1.5 0.0
PC 24 Rush, Justin....... 18 46.6% 31.0% 73.2% 2.8 12.1  1.22 22.9  1.4 2.8 1.3 0.1
MC 11 Wes Lambert........ 17 43.8% 44.2% 57.1% 1.6 10.2  1.27 21.1  2.1 1.3 0.8 0.0
MC 5 Jordan Damron...... 17 38.8% 37.0% 87.8% 1.9 9.8  1.29 20.5  2.3 2.5 1.3 0.1
LC 10 Dillon McLaughlin.. 20 37.0% 35.2% 88.2% 2.0 9.5  1.23 20.3  2.9 3.1 1.2 0.1
HC 50 Murry, Doug........ 8 42.0% 20.0% 65.6% 2.4 10.4  1.20 20.1  1.0 1.6 0.8 0.1
PC 32 Gardner, Tracy..... 18 42.4% 22.2% 60.0% 6.5 4.0  1.09 17.6  0.9 1.1 0.6 0.4
LC 50 Deji Adako......... 20 34.6% 0.0% 61.0% 5.2 5.4  1.04 16.2  0.6 1.4 0.5 0.2
HC 30 Sampleton, David... 16 31.6% 22.9% 68.9% 3.0 7.3  0.99 15.7  0.8 1.8 0.8 0.1
HC 11 Turnipseed, D'Awval 8 41.2% 32.1% 25.0% 2.5 6.5  1.02 15.7  0.9 1.1 1.3 0.1
HC 3 Roberts, Chris..... 14 49.4% 50.8% 100.0% 0.7 9.2  1.45 15.1  0.4 1.0 0.7 0.0

Quite a battle developing for that final spot ... assuming, of course, that the gsac brain trust continues it's infamous 4 to a team logic.  logic ... obviously, I use the term loosely ...   :-\



gsac Stats - Sorted by Power Value Rating            
Top 20 or so, as of 2/2/09

School   Player                     GP   -   FG Pct   3 Pct   FT Pct   rpg   ppg        PPS   PVR      apg   tpg   spg   bpg
                                                   
HC   15   Pittman, Jeremy....   18   -   52.4%   54.9%   68.8%   8.6   19.2      1.63   46.0      1.3   2.2   1.6   1.3
PC   50   Herebia, J.C.......     20   -   61.4%   0.0%   73.4%   6.4   18.3        1.51   38.7      0.7   1.5   1.2   0.4
MC   50   Greg Hernandez.....   18   -   55.9%   0.0%   76.9%   8.1   15.4      1.57   38.0      1.2   1.6   0.8   0.8
MC   33   Eryk Watson........   17   -   44.6%   40.8%   86.1%   4.6   18.5      1.30   37.7      2.3   3.0   1.5   0.4
                                                   
LC   32   Joe Cromwell.......   21   -   50.0%   39.6%   69.4%   4.7   15.0      1.17   32.6      1.4   2.0   0.9   1.0
PC   11   Coppage, Samuel..   20   -   48.2%   46.5%   86.7%   3.5   14.5      1.76   31.5      4.0   3.4   1.0   0.1
LC     4   Nic Whitfield......   21   -    48.5%   0.0%   59.0%   6.3   11.6        1.22   31.1      1.9   2.5   1.0   1.3
PC   23   Rubio, Michael.....   20   -   35.6%   35.5%   79.0%   3.2   13.8      1.28   28.3      1.7   2.4   2.0   0.1
                                                   
HC   40   Sprouse, Reggie....   18   -   38.8%   27.4%   60.5%   4.0   12.7      1.09   27.5      1.8   3.2   2.2   0.2
MC   5   Jordan Damron......   18   -   40.4%   38.7%   87.8%   2.0   10.6      1.30   22.3      2.4   2.6   1.3   0.2
HC   34   Williams, Deshaun..   10   -   50.0%   35.7%   60.3%   2.3   9.7      1.87   22.1      2.4   1.9   1.4   0.0
PC   24   Rush, Justin.......   20   -   47.1%   31.1%   73.8%   2.7   11.5      1.23   21.9      1.4   2.8   1.2   0.1
MC   11   Wes Lambert........   18   -   44.9%   43.9%   60.9%   1.7   10.5      1.29   21.8      2.2   1.3   0.8   0.0
LC   10   Dillon McLaughlin..   21   -   35.6%   34.8%   88.7%   2.1   9.3      1.20   20.4      2.9   3.0   1.2   0.1
HC   50   Murray, Doug.......   8   -   42.0%   20.0%   65.6%   2.4   10.4      1.20   20.1      1.0   1.6   0.8   0.1
PC   32   Gardner, Tracy.....   20   -   40.3%   19.0%   62.5%   6.4   3.9      1.07   17.5      1.1   1.2   0.6   0.4
HC   3   Roberts, Chris.....   16   -   47.7%   50.0%   92.3%   0.8   9.4      1.41   15.9      0.4   1.2   1.0   0.0
LC   50   Deji Adako.........   21   -   34.9%   0.0%   60.7%   5.0   5.3      1.05   15.8      0.6   1.3   0.4   0.2
HC   30   Sampleton, David...   16   -   31.6%   22.9%   68.9%   3.0   7.3      0.99   15.7      0.8   1.8   0.8   0.1
HC   32   Frazier, Alfonzo...   16   -   45.9%   0.0%   68.8%   4.2   5.6      1.22   13.8      0.3   1.6   0.4   0.2

Congrats Rubio, on moving into the top 8.
                  

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 04, 2009, 03:55:25 PM
im very, very proud to see the young scots having the success they are at this point in the season! The winning streak theyre on speaks for the mental toughness Lambert preaches every day and how quickly the new players/new stars have picked up on it. Im glad to see theyve done a great job of learning from the tough losses in the first semester and are now taking the long season one game at a time to make some noise at the right time. Its even more impressive that theyve strung together 8 in a row instead of winning a few here and there with a couple losses in between with a predominately young group!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 04, 2009, 11:04:36 PM
I thought Maryville was way off tonight against Sewanee, yet they pulled off a win (69-59, I believe). I would have loved to have see what we'd have done to them if we hadn't gotten sloppy and our shooters would have been hot.

I can see Old Lion's point about the cheer; however, it really is all in fun. It happens to be one of my favorite parts of the game!

The Killer will always be best PG at MC. He led the team and was a great player. I saw Wes do a Placeres move tonight. He must have been paying attention!!  ;)

Maryville's looking good!!! Hernandez deserves a year like this!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 05, 2009, 09:22:34 AM
The scots did well last night despite the fact they could not throw it in the ocean.  Looks like sewanee is a 3 years away from being a force in the SCAC.  These guys need to concentrate on every game from here on out, b/c a loss could be embarrassing looking at the rest of their schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 05, 2009, 11:05:07 AM
It takes a brave man to cop to being Brent Watts' daddy!

Here is the link to the DailyTimes about the Sewanee game:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090205/SPORTS/302059978

I think the new coach at Sewanee will build a really good team there.  His previous stint in the ODAC was very successful and he has money and a good school to recruit with, and he knows how to coach basketball.  His comments about Maryville's style in the newspaper indicate that he knows what is good when he sees it.

I hope he continues to schedule the Scots because it is a good rivalry.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 11:43:46 AM
Just following the development of the Scots...

Speculation...

If Maryville had access to a Pool A bid via a tourney in a Pool A conference, I would put money, actually a large Diet Coke, on the prospect that they would win the tourney!

;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2009, 11:51:58 AM
Lions lose in OT to a pretty good Oglethorpe team.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/index.asp?path=mbball

Valiant effort ...  considering they were without Coppage.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2009, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 11:43:46 AM

If Maryville had access to a Pool A bid via a tourney in a Pool A conference, I would put money, actually a large Diet Coke, on the prospect that they would win the tourney!

;)

In any Pool A conference?   :o

If you are being held hostage by Killer and Grubb ... and are under duress .. just give us a sign.  We'll send help.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2009, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 04, 2009, 03:42:10 PM


gsac Stats - Sorted by Power Value Rating            
Top 20 or so, as of 2/2/09

School   Player                     GP   -   FG Pct   3 Pct   FT Pct   rpg   ppg        PPS   PVR      apg   tpg   spg   bpg
                                                   
HC   15   Pittman, Jeremy....   18   -   52.4%   54.9%   68.8%   8.6   19.2      1.63   46.0      1.3   2.2   1.6   1.3
PC   50   Herebia, J.C.......     20   -   61.4%   0.0%   73.4%   6.4   18.3        1.51   38.7      0.7   1.5   1.2   0.4
MC   50   Greg Hernandez.....   18   -   55.9%   0.0%   76.9%   8.1   15.4      1.57   38.0      1.2   1.6   0.8   0.8
MC   33   Eryk Watson........   17   -   44.6%   40.8%   86.1%   4.6   18.5      1.30   37.7      2.3   3.0   1.5   0.4
                                                   
LC   32   Joe Cromwell.......   21   -   50.0%   39.6%   69.4%   4.7   15.0      1.17   32.6      1.4   2.0   0.9   1.0
PC   11   Coppage, Samuel..   20   -   48.2%   46.5%   86.7%   3.5   14.5      1.76   31.5      4.0   3.4   1.0   0.1
LC     4   Nic Whitfield......   21   -    48.5%   0.0%   59.0%   6.3   11.6        1.22   31.1      1.9   2.5   1.0   1.3
PC   23   Rubio, Michael.....   20   -   35.6%   35.5%   79.0%   3.2   13.8      1.28   28.3      1.7   2.4   2.0   0.1
                                                   
HC   40   Sprouse, Reggie....   18   -   38.8%   27.4%   60.5%   4.0   12.7      1.09   27.5      1.8   3.2   2.2   0.2
MC   5   Jordan Damron......   18   -   40.4%   38.7%   87.8%   2.0   10.6      1.30   22.3      2.4   2.6   1.3   0.2
HC   34   Williams, Deshaun..   10   -   50.0%   35.7%   60.3%   2.3   9.7      1.87   22.1      2.4   1.9   1.4   0.0
PC   24   Rush, Justin.......   20   -   47.1%   31.1%   73.8%   2.7   11.5      1.23   21.9      1.4   2.8   1.2   0.1
MC   11   Wes Lambert........   18   -   44.9%   43.9%   60.9%   1.7   10.5      1.29   21.8      2.2   1.3   0.8   0.0
LC   10   Dillon McLaughlin..   21   -   35.6%   34.8%   88.7%   2.1   9.3      1.20   20.4      2.9   3.0   1.2   0.1
HC   50   Murray, Doug.......   8   -   42.0%   20.0%   65.6%   2.4   10.4      1.20   20.1      1.0   1.6   0.8   0.1
PC   32   Gardner, Tracy.....   20   -   40.3%   19.0%   62.5%   6.4   3.9      1.07   17.5      1.1   1.2   0.6   0.4
HC   3   Roberts, Chris.....   16   -   47.7%   50.0%   92.3%   0.8   9.4      1.41   15.9      0.4   1.2   1.0   0.0
LC   50   Deji Adako.........   21   -   34.9%   0.0%   60.7%   5.0   5.3      1.05   15.8      0.6   1.3   0.4   0.2
HC   30   Sampleton, David...   16   -   31.6%   22.9%   68.9%   3.0   7.3      0.99   15.7      0.8   1.8   0.8   0.1
HC   32   Frazier, Alfonzo...   16   -   45.9%   0.0%   68.8%   4.2   5.6      1.22   13.8      0.3   1.6   0.4   0.2

Congrats Rubio, on moving into the top 8.            



OK, a few observations, re all-gsac, at this point ...

* The first 7 s/b a lock ... the 8th spot is up in the air.
* Sorry Rubio, I don't see anyway the "gsac deciders" are picking 3 PC guys.
   (3 from PC? Surely you just ... that just isn't done ...)
* HC is the 2nd best team, so you'd assume they would get 2 ... but who? Sprouse?
   His credentials are pretty weak ... the lowest overall shooting %s of anyone in 
   contention (his 1.09 PPS # is lower than anyone else in the top 15) ... and a league worst 3.2 
   tpg.  If not Sprouse, maybe Roberts?
* And don't forget the "we gotta have 3 from Murvul rule" ... if they go with that again,
   that 3rd one is going to be a stretch.
* And ... if you assume you have to have 2 from HC and 3 from MC ... that means out of
   Herebia, Coppage, Cromwell, and Whitfield ... one of them is going to get left out ...
   that wouldn't be right ... but, it wouldn't be the first time they've blown it.
* Heck, they may even have to consider intangibles this year ...  :o

Yeah, the #8 guy s/b interesting ... what do you think guys?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 05, 2009, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 11:43:46 AM

If Maryville had access to a Pool A bid via a tourney in a Pool A conference, I would put money, actually a large Diet Coke, on the prospect that they would win the tourney!

;)

In any Pool A conference?   :o

If you are being held hostage by Killer and Grubb ... and are under duress .. just give us a sign.  We'll send help.
;D

In any Pool A conference that Maryville might end up in...   ;)    :D 
;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 05, 2009, 05:16:28 PM
Ralph:

That narrows it down to the USASouth and you should bet more than a soft drink.

Old_Lion:  You pose an interesting question, as often happens.  I do not know what I think about this yet.  Not that it matters much....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2009, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 05, 2009, 05:16:28 PM
Old_Lion:  You pose an interesting question, as often happens.  I do not know what I think about this yet.  Not that it matters much....

Careful, Scottie ... with an attitude like that, you might be deemed a perfect fit for the selection committee!    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2009, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 05, 2009, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 11:43:46 AM

If Maryville had access to a Pool A bid via a tourney in a Pool A conference, I would put money, actually a large Diet Coke, on the prospect that they would win the tourney!

;)

In any Pool A conference?   :o

If you are being held hostage by Killer and Grubb ... and are under duress .. just give us a sign.  We'll send help.
;D

In any Pool A conference that Maryville might end up in...   ;)    :D 
;D

Got it, Ralph.  Obviously, your runaway usage of emoticons was your sign that you are under duress.  I've called 911 ...  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 06, 2009, 12:34:33 AM
UNDEFEATED: Former MC women's assistant coach Raul Placeres caught his first Scots game of the season Wednesday. The second-year head coach for 12-8 Gatlinburg-Pittman boys couldn't resist watching Sewanee. Placeres coached his only college game against the University of the South, a 58-56 win, filling in for then head coach Dee Bell.

I even get love when I go to the women's game. I love Maryville!! I love the Scots! I love TR! I love the Scots Dance team! I LIKE Brent Watts.. I love Randy aka Will Ferrell Lambert

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2009, 11:09:42 AM
I still feel the love Killer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 08, 2009, 01:00:01 AM
A solid victory for the Scots today over Lagrange.  I am glad to hear that Eryk got out of his mini slump; Hernandez also had a solid game.  The Scots should definitely win the remainder of their games and give them an ever-so-slim chance of a tournament birth.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2009, 11:08:52 PM
all they can do is win the rest of their games and hope someone else loses
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 09, 2009, 10:41:41 AM
Link to Daily Times on tonight's games w/ TennWesleyan and Agnes Scott:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090209/SPORTS/302099974
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 09, 2009, 11:38:34 AM
NCAA tournament birth or not, IF the scots can finish the season strong by sweeping the gsac reg season and conference tourney then this young team will have done a remarkable job and will without a doubt be a team to be noticed the next couple seasons. especially if they a have another recruting class even close to this past years! A shoutout to Coach Wright and the ladies team for battling this season and putting that team back in top in the conference! Good Luck tonight Scots and lady scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 09, 2009, 11:30:39 PM
Scots defense had Tennessee Wesleyan confused and out of sinc all night.  This bunch has come a long way as a team!  Even if they do not recruit a couple of big people, this is going to be a formidable team for a while, and if they can get some more size, watch out for real! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 10, 2009, 08:52:26 AM
I will say this and only this about MC's future.  With DamLam Eryk Ben and Gregg on the floor at the same time, there is still only one ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 10, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
From the gsac stats site ...
http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/confldrs.htm


ASSIST/TURNOVER RATIO (Min. 3.0 assists/game)
## Player-Team               Cl  G Asst   Avg Turn   Avg  Ratio
---------------------------------------------------------------
1.Coppage, Samuel-PCM......    20   79   4.0   67   3.4   1.18


It looks like they need to substantially lower the minimum requirement to make this list.  A list of one just isn't that informative.   ???

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 10, 2009, 11:40:54 AM
Daily Times on the "emergence" of Maverick Willett for the Scots as they whipped Teenie Weenie.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090210/SPORTS/302109979
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 10, 2009, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 10, 2009, 11:40:54 AM
Daily Times on the "emergence" of Maverick Willett for the Scots as they whipped Teenie Weenie.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090210/SPORTS/302109979

I like Willet a lot.  There are good freshman all over the gsac, especially at MC and PC.  I think this is the strongest freshman class since the 04-05 season.  The 04-05 class was  stronger at the top ... but, I think this year's class is deeper.

One of the better guys, PC's Josh Chapman, had his season cut short with an injury after 4 games.  I'm expecting good things from him next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 10, 2009, 12:16:05 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 10, 2009, 11:56:32 AM
The 04-05 class was  stronger at the top ... but, I think this year's class is deeper.

PC's "big 3" freshmen from 04-05 ...

## SUMMARY         GP-GS   Min   FG%  3PT%   FT%  RPG  APG STL BLK PPG
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
10 Green, Jake......... 26-26  30.4  .471  .370  .688  2.8  7.1  61   0   9.0

20 Baldwin, Jake....... 26-18  24.3  .529  .281  .786  4.5  1.2  32  11  15.0

40 Kemmerer, Kyle.... 26-23  25.8  .473  .349  .778  5.2  1.7  20   9   9.9

IMHO, Kemmerer is the best freshman ever ommitted from the all-frosh team.

I still haven't gotten over PC letting him get away after his soph season.  He was 6-4, 200 and could play any position (well) on the floor.  I haven't seen many guys like that in the gsac ... what a difference he could have made for us the last two years.

One of the sure signs of aging ... thinking about what might have been ...   :)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 10, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
It would never have meant a GSAC title or an NCAA birth.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 10, 2009, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 10, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
It would never have meant a GSAC title or an NCAA birth.

Thanks, Spence.

You bring to mind Clark's father-in-law, Art, from Christmas Vacation.

If you aren't familiar with that movie, you should go out and rent it immediately ... it is a classic.

There is a scene after Clark finally has his Christmas lights working ... they are all standing around, marveling at Clark's "exterior illumination" handiwork. Art, Mr. Negativity, comments ... "The little lights aren't twinkling, Clark." To which Clark responds, "Thanks for pointing that out, Art."

I wasn't really thinking about an NCAA berth ... although, I don't think that would have been outside the relm of possibility ...   (I remember a few years back when Huntingdon was the best team in the gsac .. didn't Murvul go to the tourney anyway?)  I was thinking more in terms of having a legit shot at a 20 win season ... and maybe not getting ridiculously out rebounded.   :o

But, we'll never know, will we?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2009, 08:13:34 PM
plus one old lion for a great movie quote
fortunately the best team in the GSAC is the scots and next year too
Here is what i am offering the other GSAC schools, a shot at legitimacy
Lagrange, coach haynes, you need me, i will offer my services as a an assistant next year, it will cost you but trust me i am worth it, coach haynes and i would be a better looking combo than Lambert and Wallace, not Lambert and Bunch though
Huntingdon, i offer the gsac killer as your assistant coach, he is a big city guy and montgomery is the biggest city in the GSAC, he comes with both high school, college, and pro experience, he is a real winner
PC, i offer you the golden ticket, one Krisofer J Sigmund, as your assistant coach, you guys won the lottery with these additions

This would guarantee the gsac at least  3 bids to the NCAA tourney and just make some easy decisions for the selection committee

This is the only way i see your programs making the race for the gsac title, well, a race at all
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 10, 2009, 11:49:11 PM
I just discovered the Knoxville News Sentinel had a good article about Maverick and TWC:

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/09/willett-maryville-college-showing-improvement-89/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 11, 2009, 01:14:54 AM
Lackluster quote...a better one might be, "Hey Griswold, where do u plan on putting a tree that size?" Clark- " How bout you bend over and ill show you!"  :D  And theres really no point in imagining what might have been because it wasnt. U had the "best player ever left off the all gsac frosh team" quit well why do you think theres only 2 seniors on this years maryville team?? The other 9 quit after their freshman season and they were a better class than this years! Stay hungry SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2009, 09:39:03 AM
Old Lion,
I have seen that movie.  It is actually my favorite Christmas movie.  You sometimes remind me off Aunt Bethany.  Piedmont never has as many all GSAC performers as you would like and that's ok, but figure it out. "You couldn't hear a dump truck driving through a nitro glycerin tank."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 11, 2009, 10:44:49 AM
One of the keys to the Scots dominance IMO has been their plethora of big men over the years.They always bring in 4 or 5 & a couple will stick.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 11, 2009, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2009, 09:39:03 AM
Old Lion,
I have seen that movie.  It is actually my favorite Christmas movie.  You sometimes remind me off Aunt Bethany.  Piedmont never has as many all GSAC performers as you would like and that's ok, but figure it out. "You couldn't hear a dump truck driving through a nitro glycerin tank."

Good one, Spence.  But, I believe that was nitro glycerin factory ... you were close ...

In the spirit of Aunt Bethany ... Play Ball!   :D

BTW, speaking of all gsac ... Who do you think Murvul's 3rd guy will be this year?

Or do you think they'll get a 3rd guy?  I know, considering your degree of objectivity, that may be a silly question ... Sort of like asking Cousin Eddie if he wants more lime jello ... ("I don't know about the cat, but I sure am enjoying it.")
If you say Murvul should only get two, to paraphrase Clark ... Spence, if I woke up in the morning with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised.     ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 11, 2009, 11:59:50 AM
First Team All GSAC: Hernandez and Watson

MVP: Greg Hernandez

Fresh MVP: Wes Lambert

All Freshmen: Damron,Lambert, Maverick

Coach of the Year: Matt Grubb

Ast Coach of the Year: Rex Wallace and Rodney "Smooth" Nelson


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
No I think that an All-GSAC team is a team of five people.  There are only two players this year from MC that deserve to be on that team.  In the great words of cousin eddie, "[Old Lion]. I am going to get you something that is really nice."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2009, 03:51:33 PM
It is time i came clean, lambert is just a computer that is programmed by the grubby one, all he does is what i tell him
but he does a heck of a job following directions, so i will take that coach of the year award
still waiting to see if coach haynes wants to add me to the staff, hopefully that will make the resume look better

I can't believe the explosion of greg hernandez on to the scene, Wow, POY for sure in my book, this cuban pipeline is really paying dividends, where is the next cuban from Miami, we need him next year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 11, 2009, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
No I think that an All-GSAC team is a team of five people.  There are only two players this year from MC that deserve to be on that team.  In the great words of cousin eddie, "[Old Lion]. I am going to get you something that is really nice."

Staying with the Cousin Eddie theme ...

Well Spence, that's just a real nice surprise ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 11, 2009, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 11, 2009, 03:51:33 PM
I can't believe the explosion of greg hernandez on to the scene, Wow, POY for sure in my book

Not even considering Pittman as a possibility?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2009, 09:48:50 PM
Pittman is my choice at the moment.  Although, the best player on the best team should normally win.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2009, 12:43:24 AM
who???? he doesn't play for murvul
Old lion, you know me well enough to know i don't consider anyone that does not play for Lambert
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2009, 12:53:24 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 12, 2009, 12:43:24 AM
Old lion, you know me well enough to know i don't consider anyone that does not play for Lambert


There is something to be said for honesty and consistancy ... I guess expecting open-mindedness as well would just be too much ...   :)

Everyone can't be as open minded as Spence and me.    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 12, 2009, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 12, 2009, 12:53:24 PM
Everyone can't be as open minded as Spence and me.    ;D

Spence's Greatest Hits:

Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
No I think that an All-GSAC team is a team of five people.

Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
There are only two players this year from MC that deserve to be on that team.

Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 11, 2009, 09:48:50 PM
Pittman is my choice at the moment. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 13, 2009, 03:56:49 PM
I don't know whether to be grateful or offended.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 13, 2009, 04:54:27 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 13, 2009, 03:56:49 PM
I don't know whether to be grateful or offended.

Your sense of humor is coming along nicely, Spence.

Go with grateful, life is too short to waste time being offended ...   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 13, 2009, 07:11:03 PM
The Hawks have shot the ball much better as of late. If they get off to a good start playing at home they just might give the Scots fits.Lions need a big game out of J.C. to stay close.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on February 14, 2009, 07:59:15 PM
Scots win at Huntingdon. 8-20 from 3 land very good number and good to see Shumate hit some shots and contribute. Don't be surprised when MC wins out and dances. This team is getting better and from an old timer have enjoyed watching the effort and intensity. Great job Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 15, 2009, 09:18:12 PM
Wow ... what's with all the turnovers? That's very un-Lambert-like ...

http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/box_scores/2008-09/2_14_09_mc

Thank goodness for Dustin Brown.  Without his efforts, the Scots are looking at 4 assists vs. 17 turnovers.   :o

Looks like Dustin and young Lambert saved the Scots.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2009, 11:14:20 PM
I was wondering the same thing, Old_Lion.  Is the old Huntingdon coach back?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 17, 2009, 01:05:15 AM
I think Erik Watson should be POY, myself. He amazes me.

I'm Hernandez's biggest fan, always have been. When he was last off the bench, I was chanting his name! ;) What he has done by completely changing his body has done wonders for himself--his athletic ability and his confidence is up quite hard to do w/o cockiness and he's doing it!

Lambert, Damron, and Brown are so great to watch. Dustin appeared out of nowhere to me and he's such a player. Maverick has the world by the, hmm...well, you know--and if he'll just let Lambert coach him, he'll continue to do well.

They were off tonight against Covenant and when they were I thought Erik once against pulled out the stops.
Orr pops in the game and played good offense but personally I thought he forgot to play defense on the other end of the court. Might be wrong but that's how it seemed in the stands from my seat.

I think Rucker is a sleeper. If RDL wakes him up, he'll be great someday soon!

Honestly, this team is young but they are really a good TEAM. They play like a team to me and I think that is what makes it work right now. They are a really fun team to watch and the gym is showing it. crowds seem up to me.

I can't wait to see all the teams play during the GSAC. I wish LaGrange would bring some BBQ! LOL And I also hope they bring their best game too. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 17, 2009, 09:23:13 AM
Kobe and Shaq..Hernandez and Watson.. Co-MVPs....

Just win out baby!! Can't worry about things you can't control.. One game at a time!!

Only awards that should be given out:COY  Randy Lambert
                                                             MVP Watson and Hernandez
All GSAC: Damron,Lambert,Watson,Hernandez and well the kid from Huntingdon.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 17, 2009, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 17, 2009, 09:23:13 AM


Only awards that should be given out:COY  Randy Lambert
                                                             MVP Watson and Hernandez
All GSAC: Damron,Lambert,Watson,Hernandez and well the kid from Huntingdon.


I agree
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2009, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 17, 2009, 09:23:13 AM
Kobe and Shaq ... Co-MVPs ....

OK Kiler, here's an easy one for you ... take a look at the box score and tell me who the MVP (from the West) s/h/b.

http://www.nba.com/games/20090215/ESTWST/boxscore.html

Here's a hint ... it shouldn't have been Kobe or Shaq.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2009, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 17, 2009, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 17, 2009, 09:23:13 AM


Only awards that should be given out:COY  Randy Lambert
                                                             MVP Watson and Hernandez
All GSAC: Damron,Lambert,Watson,Hernandez and well the kid from Huntingdon.


I agree

Wow ... I'm impressed.  You guys are mellowing, getting more open-minded, as you mature. 

Did I say mature?  I don't want to over-reach here ... maybe I should have said, "as you age".    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 17, 2009, 11:35:04 AM
Daily Times on Covenant _ MC.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090217/SPORTS/902179981

Scots played well in two spurts and not so well the rest of the time.  They are fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 17, 2009, 05:16:34 PM
my young scots, oh they grow up so fast,
before you know it , Damron will be fully grown and he will still be 1/5 the size of Maverick
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 23, 2009, 03:10:17 PM
Apathy is running rampant through the gsac ... they aren't even bothering to post stats anymore ...

http://www.greatsouth.org/sport.asp?path=mbball&tab=winter
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 24, 2009, 08:07:36 AM
MC is ready to host the conference tournament...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 25, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
I cannot believe that neither Wes nor Jordan won the freshman of the year award.  Everyone who has watched MC basketball knows that they are both very important players.  I have no qualms about Pittman, but I don't understand the freshman POY award.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2009, 12:19:57 AM
HC better win this tournament or there are going to be some words on this board...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 08:48:40 AM
The GSAC comes to Maryville for the final weekend of the year for 3... maybe 4 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2009, 09:40:56 AM
That just made it worse for the Hawks,Lions, and Panthers.  I know Coach Lambert could care less about the COY award. Wes and Damron not FOY????????????? Are you serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watson nor Hernandez MVP????????????????????????? I don't care what stats that kid had.. MVP will their teams to wins!! Absolutely nuts!!!

Old Lion I guess Haynes,Glenn, and whoever is at Huntingdon sat together and said if we can't beat them, a least we can determine who gets awards!!  ;) ::) :o

A knowledgable basketball fan knows that the MVP should have been Hernandez or Watson!!

Kevin Durant won't be the MVP in the NBA right??
  IMO.... Terrible selection.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 26, 2009, 11:14:58 AM
Obviously not everyone got your memo.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2009, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2009, 09:40:56 AM
Old Lion I guess Haynes,Glenn, and whoever is at Huntingdon sat together and said if we can't beat them, a least we can determine who gets awards!!  ;) ::) :o

Killer, simply stated, the all gsac selection process is an embarrassment ... selecting only 8 guys, 4 on the all freshman team, not even bothering to select a first and second team, as virtually every other conference in the civilized world does ... it's just sad.

With that said, they did get the POY right ... apparently Pittman, like Baldwin last year, was just too obvious to miss.

The winner of this year's "I got the shaft award" is Sam Coppage.

http://www.greatsouth.org/News/mbball/2009/2/24/22509_MBB_awards.asp

Consider this ... when you compare Sam to the 8 guys that did make it, Sam was in the top 8 in every single category ...
    * 4th in minutes per game
    * 7th in FG pct
    * 2nd in 3 point pct
    * 1st in FT pct   
    * 8th in rebounds per game
    * 7th in points per game
    * 1st in points per shot by a wide margin   ... 1.76 vs. 2nd place Pittman at 1.53
       (Cromwell and Sprouse brought up the rear at 1.15 & 1.14, respectively)
    * 1st in assists
    * 1st in assist to TO ratio ...  
       (Heck, he is the only one of the 9 with a positive assist to TO ratio!)
       (Consider that, not one all-gsac guy with a positive A/TO ratio ... no wonder they ignore PG skills!)
    * 6th is steals per game
    * 8th in blocks per game
    * and 6th in the overall measure, player value rating

But I figured out why Sam was omitted.  Apparently, there is something in the gsac bylaws that makes the conference assists leader ineligible. I believe that's at least 5 years in a row. Sad ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2009, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 26, 2009, 01:05:47 PM
Consider this ... when you compare Sam to the 8 guys that did make it, Sam was in the top 8 in every single category ...
   

The numbers: (sorted by player value rating)

Player                     GP -   GS    mpg     FG Pct   3 Pct   FT Pct   rpg   ppg      PPS   PVR      apg   tpg   A/TO   spg   bpg
                                                      
Pittman, Jeremy....   24   -   23   32.2   51.8%   52.6%   64.4%   8.4   19.8      1.53   47.4      1.5   2.1   0.7   1.8   1.3

Eryk Watson........    23   -   22   29.7   45.5%   41.4%   85.3%   4.1   18.7      1.34   37.7      2.1   2.7   0.8   1.8   0.3
Herebia, J.C.......      25   -   25   26.2   60.0%   0.0%   74.4%   6.2   17.6      1.49   37.6      0.7   1.4   0.5   1.2   0.4
Greg Hernandez.....   24   -   22   25.3   56.0%   0.0%   76.2%   8.0   15.7      1.50   37.4      1.0   1.8   0.5   1.0   0.6

Joe Cromwell.......    24   -   23   30.8   48.5%   36.7%   70.2%   4.7   14.6      1.15   31.8      1.3   1.8   0.7   0.8   0.9
Coppage, Samuel...   20   -   20   29.8   48.2%   46.5%   86.7%   3.5   14.5      1.76   31.4      4.0   3.4   1.2   1.0   0.1
Nic Whitfield......      24   -   22   27.8   49.8%    0.0%   61.9%   6.4   11.9      1.26   31.3      1.8   2.5   0.7   1.0   1.3

Rubio, Michael.....    25   -   25   30.2   37.5%   36.6%   76.1%   2.8   14.6      1.32   29.3      1.6   2.2   0.8   2.0   0.0
Sprouse, Reggie....   24   -   24   26.7   41.6%   30.3%   59.0%   4.1   12.7      1.14   27.4      1.8   3.2   0.6   2.1   0.2

Obviously, Sam got screwed.  Not only should Sam have made it, he s/h/b PG on the first team.  Oh yeah, I forgot ... the gsac ignores positions also.

Next question is, who should have gotten the last spot on the 2nd team ... who s/h/b the 10th guy.  That's assuming, of course, that the gsac wanted to pretend to be a real conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 02:55:51 PM
I think that there should be no second team.  We have too small of a conference to have 8 people make the first team.  That is almost half of the starters that make the first team all conference.  In comparison, a conference with 12 teams would have 24 players on the first team.  That is ridiculous to think that we should have more than eight all conference performers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 26, 2009, 03:01:04 PM
Old_lion,You do numbers much better than I but, how does Tracey Gardner not make All Freshman?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2009, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 02:55:51 PM
I think that there should be no second team.  We have too small of a conference to have 8 people make the first team. 

I assume you mean too small to recognize more than 8 guys.  That's certainly the prevailing logic ... I just disagree.  I think the current methodology makes the gsac seem even more half-assed (worthy of respect, if you prefer) than it already is.  The gsac does not need to be reinforcing that image.

Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 02:55:51 PM
In comparison, a conference with 12 teams would have 24 players on the first team. 
Sorry Spence, I can't even figure out what you are trying to say here.

Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 02:55:51 PM
  That is ridiculous to think that we should have more than eight all conference performers.

You are certainly entitled to your opnion.  Unfortunately, the "gsac brain trust" (one of my favorite all-time oxymorons) apparently agrees with you.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2009, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: bballlover on February 26, 2009, 03:01:04 PM
Old_lion,You do numbers much better than I but, how does Tracey Gardner not make All Freshman?

I agree he's worthy ... but I can see several reasons why he was left off.

* 4 man team ... he could have been the 5th guy
* Tracy is not a big scorer ... he is a great intangibles guy ... that means very little to the gsac selectors
* PC didn't win enough ... I think the winner take all sentiment is strong (I think the only way Sam's absence the last five games was figured into anyone's logic is it got Sam over looked) ... considering that, it's surprising that PC guys were recognized as much as they were.

Re the winner take all sentiment ... had Pittman (and Baldwin last year) not been obviously more outstanding than the competition (Murvul's top player) then neither of them would have been POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 03:41:02 PM
Old Lion,
I am saying there are too many players on the all conference team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 26, 2009, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 03:41:02 PM
Old Lion,
I am saying there are too many players on the all conference team.

I got that ... it was the "24 players on the first team" comment that I found incomprehensible ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
there are eight players on the first team on the Great South Athletic Conference, and we only have four teams.  That means that there are two players for every team that made all conference.  I think we should shrink it down to maybe five, because some of these players are a little iffy.  A bigger conference has proportionally less players.  These larger conferences all conference teams are more legit...that is all I am saying.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2009, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
I think we should shrink it down to maybe five, because some of these players are a little iffy. 

Again, I just disagree ...

OK, how about this ... let's pretend for a minute that the gsac did not appear to aspire to be perceived as the most obvious red-headed step child (with apologies to read heads and step children everywhere) of a conference in the history of Western Civilization.  With a different perspective, maybe they could acknowledge the fact that a typical basketball team is made up of 5 guys, usually playing 3 basic positions ...

With those caveats, perhaps they could have selected as follows ...

First Team:
Bigs:  Hernandez and Herebia
Wings: Pittman and Watson
PG: Coppage

Second Team:
Bigs:  Whitfield and Cromwell
Wings*: Rubio and Sprouse

and ... drum roll please ... the 10th guy ...

PG: Damron

* Picking the wings on the second team would be the toughest call ... strong cases could also be made for Chris Roberts, Justin Rush, and Wes Lambert.  I, unlike Spence, think all of these 13 guys are good players and I wouldn't describe any of them as "iffy".
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 27, 2009, 09:55:51 AM
They are good players, but good and all-conference are not the same thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2009, 04:11:43 PM
would your conference player of the year make the starting five on the maryville college team??????
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2009, 04:37:36 PM
DailyTimes on the Scots and the tourney:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090227/SPORTS/302279965
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2009, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 27, 2009, 04:11:43 PM
would your conference player of the year make the starting five on the maryville college team??????

Grubb,

I know you are known for your quirky sense of humor and your fierce Murvul loyalty to the point that your tongue is frequently firmly in cheek ... so I assume that was the case with that question.

But if not ... it would be intersting to see the 5 guys you think would keep him on the bench.

I'll answer your question with a similarly serious question ... do you think Lambert is an idiot?   ;)

Pittman had a pretty strong game today ...
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/livestats/mens-basketball/index.asp

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 27, 2009, 11:26:51 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2009, 09:40:56 AM
Watson nor Hernandez MVP????????????????????????? I don't care what stats that kid had.. MVP will their teams to wins!! Absolutely nuts!!!

A knowledgable basketball fan knows that the MVP should have been Hernandez or Watson!!


I totally agree with you. Hernandez is my favorite player out there. However, Erik Watson is the most amazingly awesome player on the court. The man comes through time, after time, after time. He thinks and stays calm. I just think he should have been the one. Rarely do we see a player like him in this conference.


FOY, not being Damron or Lambert? I dunno...it sorta reminds me of how they do the karma on this board, LOL. Maybe they couldn't pick between the two so they just gave it to someone else.  :D Yeah, that's gotta be it.

FWIW, I thought Piedmont played their hearts out tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2009, 11:40:38 PM
The Lions could have won tonight.  The Scots were not very good and the Lions played great.  I hope RDL gets em on a different level tomorrow.

If the Scots win, they could be ranked in the region.  Guilford, Randolph-Macon, Roanoke, and DePauw all lost today and all of them are ranked in the South.  Roanoke and DePauw now have as many losses as the Scots. Being regionally ranked could help snare that last Pool B spot.  And if Averett wins the USASouth, that will help too since the Scots beat them.  \\But if the Scots play like they did tonight, it may not matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2009, 12:18:30 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 27, 2009, 11:40:38 PM
The Lions could have won tonight.  The Scots were not very good and the Lions played great.  I hope RDL gets em on a different level tomorrow.

Quote from: MCScotsFan on February 27, 2009, 11:26:51 PM
FWIW, I thought Piedmont played their hearts out tonight. 

It's nice to hear that the Lions played well and competed hard.

Trying to beat Murvul at Murvul without your PG, and arguably best player, is quite a tall order.

I hope Sam's knee is well on it's way to a full and speedy recovery.  Having to play the last few games without him was tough on a young, already struggling, team.  To me, it just reinforced how valuable, what a key player, Sam is. Too bad the "gsac brain trust" didn't notice ...  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2009, 01:23:33 PM
Piedmont with Sam might have pulled it off.  RDL was quoted in the paper and said on the radio that he was pretty unhappy with the performance ("We couldn't guard a mailbox," etc.)  Old_Lion would have been proud of the Lions.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090228/SPORTS/302289971
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 28, 2009, 01:28:14 PM
Old Lion, you are right. And if Sam had been able to play, I think Maryville would have been in BIG trouble. I think Sam was here his freshman year? Would that be right? He got some playing time becuase I remember him and thought he'd grow into an even better player. I saw him play this year and I thought he'd done just that. How hard to sit on the bench last night for him--I wondered what his injury was. I hope his knee heals soon enough.

Anyway, I thought the Lions had a lot of quickness and some fine shooters. That one kid's left handed shot for a three was awesome. Sorry I didn't catch his name.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 28, 2009, 05:12:02 PM
seriously, pittman, seriously
Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 28, 2009, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 28, 2009, 05:12:02 PM
seriously, pittman, seriously
Go Scots

Hey Grubb,

Where are the live stats today?
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/gsactourney.asp

I need to follow my boi, Pittman.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2009, 07:01:50 PM
Pittman had 24 (or thereabouts) of the Hawks' 89.  Scots were 15 0f 29 from 3 and scored 101.  Watson had 5 3's and Damron 6.  29 assists for the team.  Great hard fought game.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 28, 2009, 07:19:12 PM
I hope people interested who could not be at MC for all the games knew it was on the internet. Sorry I didn't say that last night. hopefully, people knew and didn't miss their favorite team's action.

Congrats to the Scots!! Those 3's were awesome! I'm still saying Erik Waston.

So what are the chances of seeing the GSAC being represented in the first round of the NCAA tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 28, 2009, 08:45:52 PM
chances are slim
Pittman is more of a power forward than a center, he might start at maryville, but he might not
No matter the final score the game got as close as 5 or 6 but the scots never looked like they were not in control
Just another dominant GSAC title for Randy and the boys
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on February 28, 2009, 09:37:08 PM
I just think coaching this much talent must be a lot of fun.  ;D
This, IMHO, is the most talent RDL has had all at once. Since I've been watching the Scots. I just watch and think that he has got to be enjoying this! I hope they are doing well in the classroom too. That makes a player even better (no matter what level) to me but esp. in D-III.

So is it Monday morning when we'll know about both teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Here is the Daily Times on the game yesterday:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090301/SPORTS/303019956

D3Hoops has Maryville in the NCAA as the third Pool B selection.  Fans of Chapman (CA) are unhappy but the difference in the minds of D3Hoops is that Maryville played a much stronger schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 01, 2009, 05:17:19 PM
Congrats to the Scots on a great season and conference tournament.  I don't know what the selection committee has in store for MC, but I hope it is the status quo for Maryville College.  After MC gets in, who knows how far their three point shooting could take them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2009, 05:44:06 PM
VWC'S win of the ODAC boosts Murvul's Pool B chances.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2009, 06:01:37 PM
You'd hope beating the USASouth and ODAC champs would help....

I hope if MC gets in that whomever they play will figure them for an 8 seed and overlook 'em.  Then the 3's need to fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2009, 12:26:50 PM
the streak is alive, the scots have been in every tourney since 1999, eleven in a row
Randy Lambert is the MAN as usual.  you all knew chris carney would not be denied. Go SCOTS!!!!  I don't think Texas is big enough for the scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 02, 2009, 02:09:47 PM
We are going DANCING!!!! 11 in a row.... I said it about 6-8 weeks ago. One game at a time!!! They did it. 16 in a row!! Wow...

Texas here we come... Like our chances said General Lambert
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2009, 02:22:24 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on March 02, 2009, 02:09:47 PM
We are going DANCING!!!! 11 in a row.... I said it about 6-8 weeks ago. One game at a time!!! They did it. 16 in a row!! Wow...

Texas here we come... Like our chances said General Lambert
I hope General Lambert takes you Tennesseeans by the Alamo.

The 13 days of the Alamo are going on now.  By March 5th, General Santa Anna's re-inforcements had arrived.  They surrounded the mission and began their charge before sunrise on March 6th, the day that the Alamo fell.

In fact, an excellent pre-game speech might be Col Travis' letter.

Quote
To The People of Texas and
All Americans In The World --
February 24, 1836

    Fellow citizens & compatriots --

    I am beseiged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna -- I have sustained a continual Bombardment & cannonade for 24 hours & have not lost a man -- The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken -- I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, & our flag still waves proudly from the walls -- I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism, & every thing dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch -- The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily & will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible & die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country --

    VICTORY OR DEATH

    William Barret Travis
    Lt. Col. Comdt.

    P.S. The Lord is on our side -- When the enemy appeared in sight we had not three bushels of corn -- We have since found in deserted houses 80 or 90 bushels & got into the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves --

    Travis


We can see if the local Trinity student paper uses this as a story line.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 02, 2009, 02:29:14 PM
Especially persuasive will be the underlying premise:  The Lord is on our side
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2009, 02:36:15 PM
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/index.asp

here is the link to the MC athletics website, you will a pic of General Lambert and 2 of his sons, Wes and Eryk

This game will be Eryk's coming out party on the national scene.  it will be a similar performance to Bobo Mason's 9 threes he had agaisnt trinity in 2006.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 02, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
Good luck Murvul ... I hope this trip turns out better than when Crockett took a bunch of Tennesseeans to San Antonio in 1836.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2009, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: old_lion on March 02, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
Good luck Murvul ... I hope this trip turns out better than when Crockett took a bunch of Tennesseeans to San Antonio in 1836.
Ehhh, no sweat!

Davy Crockett was only a high private". (http://"http://books.google.com/books?id=xtRFmOBOUQMC&pg=PT6&lpg=PT6&dq=davy+crockett+high+private&source=bl&ots=aA8UCT5DZe&sig=DlGk2RyhcRt4A8eEWCo4n9Vlse4&hl=en&ei=fk6sSamvBpDMMuOeyOUE&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result)

(Coach) Randy Lambert is a "General"!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 02, 2009, 04:29:07 PM
MDT first on the scene  ;D
http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090302/BREAKING/903029989 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090302/BREAKING/903029989)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:35:51 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 02, 2009, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on February 28, 2009, 09:37:08 PM
This, IMHO, is the most talent RDL has had all at once.

MC, I don't think I can agree with that statement.  This team certainly has a lot of young talent ... but the most overall talent RDL has had?

Within my short memory ...

What about 06-07 ... GoldenBlair has to be one of the gsac's top all-time at the 5 position, Bowers was a complete all-around guard, and Bo was a prolific volume shooter who was unstoppable when his jumper was falling ...
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcm12.htm

05-06 was a very deep team ...
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/05-06stats/pcm13.htm

03-04 was no slouch either ...
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/03-04stats/pcm21.htm

And probably the best was 04-05 ... with the triumvirate of Raul, Sidney, & Monte ... backed by all that young talent ... Golden, Blair, Chaney, Bradley, Mason. etc.
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/04-05stats/pcm15.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on March 02, 2009, 06:01:51 PM
Quote from: old_lion on March 02, 2009, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on February 28, 2009, 09:37:08 PM
This, IMHO, is the most talent RDL has had all at once.

MC, I don't think I can agree with that statement.  This team certainly has a lot of young talent ... but the most overall talent RDL has had?

Within my short memory ...

What about 06-07 ... GoldenBlair has to be one of the gsac's top all-time at the 5 position, Bowers was a complete all-around guard, and Bo was a prolific volume shooter who was unstoppable when his jumper was falling ...
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcm12.htm

05-06 was a very deep team ...
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/05-06stats/pcm13.htm

03-04 was no slouch either ...
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/03-04stats/pcm21.htm

And probably the best was 04-05 ... with the triumvirate of Raul, Sidney, & Monte ... backed by all that young talent ... Golden, Blair, Chaney, Bradley, Mason. etc.
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/04-05stats/pcm15.htm



I'm OK with agreeing to disagree.  ;)  I think RDL has had some great talent through the years but this team is sooo deep. To me, there is no star of the team. Every game you never know whose game it will be. Watson? Hernandez? Lambert? Damron?  Brown? This team has quiet talents like Shumate, Laverdaire, Willet, Blakely... it just goes on and on, imo.

I am not saying I think Golden and Blair weren't great post players, by no means. They were! Alex Bowers knocked my socks off the first time I saw him play. Honestly, he was all over the place, like in flight or something! But, I just think the talent is more spread out all over the court at all times, that's all. I don't sit in the stands and worry about performance if Damron or Watson are on the bench. Someone else is going to step up. That's just how it is this year.

My favorite year before this one was definitely with Ellis, Calloway, Mason (who seems to be doing great if anyone ever wonders about him!), and Placeres along with Bobby Golden. While Andy Chaney could shoot like a crazy man,  when one of the 5 were out, in general, I was waiting for them to go back in.
Placeres will probably always be my favorite player to watch. He had this drive toward the basket that looked fast until he put it in overdrive! He was animated and worked the crowd, led the team and joked around with the refs. It was always a great show!

I just still think RDL has more depth and talent all at once than ever before. they're young now, but  if they work as hard as Hernandez did in the off season last year, they'll be greater still.

Good luck, Fighting Scots!! We are so proud each time they get in  to the NCAA tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 02, 2009, 10:18:46 PM
Watts Sweet 16 Team (Housewright,Watts,Ennen,Siggy,and Teaun)

My junior year when we made it to the Sweet 16 and ...(Me,Sidney,Jason Doan,Monte,Walden,Paul Reed, Golden,McCord,Gonzalez,

KRich and Coach Wallace's Elite 8 team are in front of any of the teams that were mentioned..

Just my opinion..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2009, 11:07:54 PM
you got to remember that elite 8 team lost on a half court buzzer beater to one of legendary coach bo ryan's national championship teams.

The 2000 team beat Hampden sydney who was national runner up in double overtime by 1 to another one of bo ryan's national championship teams the previous year

The 2004 team was one loose ball away from the elite 8

the 92 team had loads of star players
the 2000 team had Housewright then also on that team Watts GSAC player of the year, Ennen GSAC player of the year, Tummel GSAC Player of the year
The 2004 team had several superstars sid-2 time all america, bobby golden all america,  raul all cubano and arguably the driving force of that team

This year's team would get the business from anyone of those teams and by 20 or 30 points, but lets not compare this team full of freshmen and sophomore future stars vs teams full of upperclassmen legit stars.  Let's compare these guys like damron, lambert, watson, and Hernandez vs those guys mentioned earlier after next year or the next.

The bottomline is that this team learned how to dig itself out of a hole.  They started the year behind the eight ball and worked themselves into a chance to win the whole dang thing.  Now they get the opportunity to learn how to play when it is when or go home.  Great job young scotty puppies.  When these scotty dogs grow into their barks, General Lambert will have them back in the national spotlight
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 03, 2009, 08:06:48 AM
I am going to say that when Watts, Houswright, and Matt Ennen were on the same team, that was the most talented team that I have seen.  K Rich was great but he didn't have the supporting cast.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 03, 2009, 08:47:22 AM
This argument always seems to come up, but the bottom line is, the 2008-09 team is the team that has to get the job done.  Raul or K Rich aren't walking through the door.  The good thing is that MC is ready.  I have complete confidence in our guys.  I think it is a bit degrading to the team to not be talking about their successes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 03, 2009, 09:50:04 AM
This is a scary team to play!!! They are shooting the ball well and have a force on the wing and the post! You are going to have to pick your poison!!!

As a coach the Scots are the last team you want to be playing. Good Luck. Point guard play is critical on the road in NCAA tournament..

I like this team even more next year!!! With Ben back and 95% of the nucleus back...WATCH OUT!!!! They won't have 10 of first 13 road games next year either, which should help..

GO SCOTS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 03, 2009, 09:55:57 AM
I agree with the killer and beaty
These guys have accomplished a lot since the 4-6 start to this season.
These scots have had their backs against the wall since december and your back is always against the wall in the tourney.  i would not want to fae a team that obvously thrives ith their backs against the wall.
Watch out for Watson and Hernandez.

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2009, 11:01:36 AM
Hey Killer:  Do you know the schedule for nest year?

I agree this would not be the team I'd want to play if I were Trinity or anybody else.  Shutting down Eryk, for instance, does not get you out of trouble.  Trinity has the SCAC defensive player of the year but he can't guard everybody.



Here is a newer version of Marcus' article in the DailyTimes:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090303/SPORTS/903029951
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on March 03, 2009, 11:03:23 AM
quote " Watts, Houswright, and Matt Ennen "

---they were before my time. (I did say that I have seen.)

I was talking to someone in RL and they thought the team of Golden, Ellis, Placeres, Calloway, Mason etc. was the best also so I'm probably in the minority with my opinion of thinking it is this team.

I still think it though and I agree with Watts, wait a few years and see if I'm right.  ;D  I know RDL will do his part, the work is up to the guys. Frankly, I think they have what it takes. I cannot wait to see what RDL does with Maverick.
And like I said, I like that there is no star. We can talk and mention Watson and Hernandez all day long but the supporting cast won't bring on a yawn. It can be anyone's night. In fact, it might not be anyone's night. It might be a handful.

This team has what it takes. I watch Hernandez fire these guys up. It must be something they learn in Miami, lol, because I thought Placeres led the team too. I hope Raul passes that on to all of his GP players and someone "gets" it. I can't wait for the day that I see a GP player come on to the MC team. That'll be very cool!

Win or lose, MC will make us proud. They have got to fired up!

Go MC Fighting Scots!

(ETA--ScottieDoug is right. Shutting down one player won't help. That is the beauty of this team!)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2009, 11:04:08 AM
QuoteIt took several more tries and finally the words from D3 Hoops Hoopsville web caster Dave McHugh before opponent TRNU was elongated to Trinity rather than Transylvania and the reality of getting to Texas for a Thursday game was realized.

I think this means they got the news via Twitter, since that's where I use the short-hand most often.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on March 03, 2009, 11:14:24 AM
Someone please locate TR and settle the Lambert's best talent question. I know what he will say. It was any game where Shiela Evans danced at halftime. Shiela Evans, dancing at halftime, was the most talent ever seen on the  RDL watch. All others are imposters, wannabes (save the dance instructor from Clinton who helped her cheer squad early in this season). This forum is not the proper place for such debate. Killer, The Grubby One, Beaty, all of Lambert's children, are welcomed at the table of greatness.

The Big Dog Has Spoken
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 03, 2009, 01:11:45 PM
I guess we all just took it for granted that we were arguing for 2nd place, Sheila was the best!!!!

This team is still young and very vulnerable to an experienced veteran squad.  They can be forced to play another teams game.  Remember, they were a bubble team for a reason and they will be trying to play the role of cinderella.
I like the term Cindersheila better when referring to General Lambert's troops.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2009, 02:05:28 PM
anybody know if those of us who cannot go to Texas or Georgia can listen to the Scots' games?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on March 03, 2009, 02:28:13 PM
Oglethorpe Broadcasts all home games  Here's the link where the games will be listed on the day of the game. http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/listen_live.asp (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/listen_live.asp)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2009, 02:54:17 PM
Thanks, Flight!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 03, 2009, 04:01:30 PM
Think WBCR is making decision today about where they can go.
Should get the final word tonight on which game(s) they will broadcast this week.
believe it wlll be streaming audio as well as radio where ever they go.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 04, 2009, 04:40:24 PM
Here is the DailyTimes on the Scots' trip to Texas:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090304/SPORTS/303049973
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 04, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on March 02, 2009, 06:01:51 PM

My favorite year before this one was definitely with Ellis, Calloway, Mason (who seems to be doing great if anyone ever wonders about him!), and Placeres along with Bobby Golden. While Andy Chaney could shoot like a crazy man,  when one of the 5 were out, in general, I was waiting for them to go back in.
Placeres will probably always be my favorite player to watch. He had this drive toward the basket that looked fast until he put it in overdrive! He was animated and worked the crowd, led the team and joked around with the refs. It was always a great show!

That was the best Murvul team I saw.  (But then, I never saw any of Grubb's teams ... I would really have liked to.)  But I have to chastise you for one thing ... NEVER mention Mason ahead of Paceres ... it just ain't right.   ;D  (I'm only semi-kidding ... you're welcome, Killer.)  BUT, you get extra credit for your appreciation of "the straw that stirs the drink" type player ... that's all too rare.

On a related topic ... you guys know how I love the #s ... well, kudos to whomever is doing the stats on the GSAC website ... I believe John Hughes, the LaGrange SID, is the lead dog.  They now have links to the last two season's stats ... and it includes some really nice sorts of the information.
http://www.greatsouth.org/sport.asp?path=mbball&tab=winter

It would be really cool if they could develop an extensive archive section ... and have this type of info back several seasons.  I would love to be able to see this type of info on some of the good teams from the past ... like the 2000 team Grubb mentioned ...

Quote from: mattgrubb on March 02, 2009, 11:07:54 PM
the 2000 team had Housewright then also on that team Watts GSAC player of the year, Ennen GSAC player of the year, Tummel GSAC Player of the year

and Huntingdon's good, senior-laden team from 05-06.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/05-06stats/pcm24.htm

BTW, that 05-06 team was my favorite Piedmont team ... outstanding depth.  In 05-06, the gsac was much better overall, than any other season I've seen.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 05, 2009, 08:10:00 AM
What time is the game again?  I know that there are live stats on trinity's website, but is there a radio broadcast.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2009, 11:58:12 AM
I've been told there will be an audio broadcast. There will be a link on our scoreboard page.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2009, 12:07:12 PM
Marcus' nice discussion of the Scots and Trinity matchup"

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090305/SPORTS/303059973
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 05, 2009, 08:02:56 PM
Come on Scots

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2009, 11:51:41 PM
This Scots team cannot beat a good and experienced team like Trinity while shooting 5 - 22 3's.  A great season, though, and it will be the Scots' turn to be a seasoned and experienced bunch for a few years.  It should be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 06, 2009, 09:21:11 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 05, 2009, 11:51:41 PM
This Scots team cannot beat a good and experienced team like Trinity while shooting 5 - 22 3's.  A great season, though, and it will be the Scots' turn to be a seasoned and experienced bunch for a few years.  It should be fun!

Good point, Scottie.  The 3 point shooting, in conjunction with 5 assists vs. 17 turnovers ... well, that's a very difficult set of circumstances to overcome.   Your guys must have competed awfully hard just to keep it close.

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/statistics/ncaa01.htm

But I agree ... the Young Scots have much to be proud of.  That was an impressive run just to qualify for the tourney.  As usual, the future looks bright for Murvul.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 06, 2009, 09:24:02 AM
It is a learning experience. I bet the taste of losing that NCAA tournament game will fuel them to want to do better next year. We have a great bunch coming back. With a different schedule, no injuries, and most of the guys coming back I believe they are a Sweet 16 team!!

Potential Starting 5 Next Year: Damron,Lambert,Williamson,Watson, and Hernandez. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 06, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
Maryville Times story about Trinity-MC:

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20090306/SPORTS/303069973

I hope Killer is right, and I bet he is, that losing this game will help out over the summer and next year as the Scots work to get better.

WBCR decided not to wait a few minutes to talk to Coach Lambert so we were deprived of his assessment of the game and next year.  What was the big rush?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 06, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
You hate to lose not playing your best, but that is how it goes sometimes.  I am proud of MC and all the work they did the second half of the season to make it to the tournament in the first place.  Congrats Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 06, 2009, 04:39:33 PM
NCAA tourney games, unlike GSAC tourney or reg season,  have a mandatory press period post game. I know that when the women hosted in 06 we kept Dee, Plemons, Munday and Uner in there for about 20 minutes and that was after they had a certain locker room privacy time window.
If I remember correctly the only time recently that WBCR has held on long enough to talk to Randy post game was when they played the early game at Mississippi College against Trinity and they stayed on giving post game and breaking down the Choctaws as they were playing in anticipation of playing them Saturday. They didn't hold for him to get out of press area the next night.

It was interesting to watch game tracker and hear the webcast as it was about a minute behind the stats. It sounded like stat guys may have been a little tight on crediting assists vs what we were hearing, but the turnovers killed the Scots. Even more so than Lewis getting all of his 8 in that 11-0 run with 14 minutes to go. 1pt behind to a dozen was the difference.

I did like the job they did keeping Caldarera from scoring but he made up for it with rebounds and assists.

If everything goes MC's way (everyone comes back and everyone stays healthy) then its a very deep talented team next year. I'd start Laverdiere, Watson, Williamson, Hernandez and Lambert with Damron, Willett, Brown and Bradley coming in. Not sure who the fifth would be.
Wes Ben and Eryk can shoot long (believe it or not Wes hit more treys than Jordan this season) and you alternate Jordan and Jared at point depending on how loose or half court you want to get with the offense.

Thing is, who is going to want to play these guys next year? May be difficult to get two games with Centre again. Might need a fundraiser from those oh so talented alums and send the boys on a southwest swing. I'd like to see them take on three of four ASC teams right before Christmas. Can still get some USAC teams to round out the sked and really season that group up.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 07, 2009, 11:51:55 AM
A trip to Texas with Centre to play McMurray and HSU in one of those
"classics" with Murvul and Centre playing each Texas team would be fun.  Then Murvul and Centre could schedule each other back east.  That's four high quality games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 09, 2009, 04:03:47 PM
the bard always has a way of putting my thoughts into words, good coverage this year batteredbard
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 11, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
with so few seniors this year in the GSAC  this could be a quiet off season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 05:01:53 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on March 11, 2009, 11:02:33 PM
Quote from: old_lion on March 04, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on March 02, 2009, 06:01:51 PM

My favorite year before this one was definitely with Ellis, Calloway, Mason (who seems to be doing great if anyone ever wonders about him!), and Placeres along with Bobby Golden. While Andy Chaney could shoot like a crazy man,  when one of the 5 were out, in general, I was waiting for them to go back in.
Placeres will probably always be my favorite player to watch. He had this drive toward the basket that looked fast until he put it in overdrive! He was animated and worked the crowd, led the team and joked around with the refs. It was always a great show!

That was the best Murvul team I saw.  (But then, I never saw any of Grubb's teams ... I would really have liked to.)  But I have to chastise you for one thing ... NEVER mention Mason ahead of Paceres ... it just ain't right.   ;D  (I'm only semi-kidding ... you're welcome, Killer.)  BUT, you get extra credit for your appreciation of "the straw that stirs the drink" type player ... that's all too rare.

On a related topic ... you guys know how I love the #s ... well, kudos to whomever is doing the stats on the GSAC website ... I believe John Hughes, the LaGrange SID, is the lead dog.  They now have links to the last two season's stats ... and it includes some really nice sorts of the information.
http://www.greatsouth.org/sport.asp?path=mbball&tab=winter

It would be really cool if they could develop an extensive archive section ... and have this type of info back several seasons.  I would love to be able to see this type of info on some of the good teams from the past ... like the 2000 team Grubb mentioned ...

Quote from: mattgrubb on March 02, 2009, 11:07:54 PM
the 2000 team had Housewright then also on that team Watts GSAC player of the year, Ennen GSAC player of the year, Tummel GSAC Player of the year

and Huntingdon's good, senior-laden team from 05-06.

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/05-06stats/pcm24.htm

BTW, that 05-06 team was my favorite Piedmont team ... outstanding depth.  In 05-06, the gsac was much better overall, than any other season I've seen.




"the straw that stirs the drink" type player "- I guess you'll have to explain that one to me, if you would. i have no idea what that means. Glad I did it, but don't know what I did.  ;)

I added Bo before Raul because I had so much to say about Raul. ;D
Honestly, Raul was all that and really made watching D-III fun to me. I'd never watched a D-III men's game for the team he was on with Waldo Butram. I really enjoyd the team as a whole but Placeres drew the fan in.  Everyone loved watching him play at MC. Everyone still mentions him in the stands and everyone talks about him being up at G-P.

RDL/MC turns out some fine men as do all of y'all involved in D-III sports. Because when the game is over, life goes on for these men. THAT is the reason I love D-III basketball. (Except for Alex Bowers whose still playing! ). I know everyone interested in D-III sports loves the game but you just are so darned proud of these kids who come in as freshman kiddlets and leave as young men and women...ready, for life!!


I'm sorry the Scots lost but proud they go so far with such a young team.

So, how many more days until the next season??!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 12:05:14 AM
Interesting article from the DePauw paper...


http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/20/Sports/Scac-Looks.For.Ways.To.Cut.Costs-3641137.shtml

I wonder if the GSAC is more acceptable than they were before the current economic situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 12, 2009, 07:35:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 12:05:14 AM
Interesting article from the DePauw paper...


http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/20/Sports/Scac-Looks.For.Ways.To.Cut.Costs-3641137.shtml

I wonder if the GSAC is more acceptable than they were before the current economic situation.

I don't think so Ralph.  Both the SCAC and GSAC appear to try and keep together what they have already.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 12, 2009, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on March 11, 2009, 11:02:33 PM
I added Bo before Raul because I had so much to say about Raul. ;D

I know ... I was just kidding about that ... sort of.  That was always a pet peeve of mine ... the pure PG (Killer, Green, Baize, etc.) Vs. the volume shooter (Bo) who happened to be playing the lead guard position ... IMHO, they don't even belong in the same conversation.  But, when he got hot, Bo could shoot ... I'll give him that.  And, he was going to keep shooting until he got hot ... so consequently, he scored a lot and , IMHO, he got more recognition than he deserved.  His shooting %s were always pretty poor ... he scored more than the typical PG, because he shot a lot, period.  Just my opinion ...

Quote from: MCScotsFan on March 11, 2009, 11:02:33 PM

"the straw that stirs the drink" type player "- I guess you'll have to explain that one to me, if you would. i have no idea what that means. Glad I did it, but don't know what I did.  ;)

The phrase was attributed to Reggie Jackson ... not surprisingly, he was talking about himself.  As in, "I'm the guy that makes the Yankees go."

I think the phrase is much more applicable in basketball, than in baseball.  It refers to a "synergy guy" (usually a PG) who does all the things (some intangible) that enables his team to function better. In short, he makes his teammates better.  That's why, if you look at the season stats of most teams, it's almost always the "straw that stirs the drink type players" that lead them in minutes played.  His coaches, and his teammates, don't like it when he's not on the floor ... guys don't want to play instead of this type player ... they want to play with him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 12, 2009, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: old_lion on March 12, 2009, 10:02:35 AM
[In short, he makes his teammates better.  That's why, if you look at the season stats of most teams, it's almost always the "straw that stirs the drink type players" that lead them in minutes played.  His coaches, and his teammates, don't like it when he's not on the floor ... guys don't want to play instead of this type player ... they want to play with him.


Reminds me of a funny story ...

A few seasons back we had a very good, senior 2 guard, Mike Adams, who understood this "straw that stirs the drink" concept well.  It was in the waning minutes of a close game, when apparently Mike felt that our PG was being rested a little too long ... so he decided to show some "senior leadership." As he ran by the bench, he commented rather loudly (OK, actually he screamed) ... "Why the F&*k isn't Green in the game?"  That may not be an exact quote, but, if it isn't, it's really close ...  :o   :D

To Coach Glenn's credit, he took Mike's suggestion well ... and immediately rectified the situation.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on March 12, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: wilburt on March 12, 2009, 07:35:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 12:05:14 AM
Interesting article from the DePauw paper...


http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/20/Sports/Scac-Looks.For.Ways.To.Cut.Costs-3641137.shtml

I wonder if the GSAC is more acceptable than they were before the current economic situation.

I don't think so Ralph.  Both the SCAC and GSAC appear to try and keep together what they have already.

Maybe nothing will come of this.  But, I did hear that some of the eastern SCAC schools sent letters to the conference stating that they could not sustain the current travel arrangements and they would be withdrawing if things did not change.  I can only assume that this sparked the committee that the article discusses. 

I heard another completely unsubstantiated rumor that there is interest in making the SCAC a super conference with east and west conferences (not divisions).  Each conference could have enough schools to qualify for post season independently, but cost would be saved by having one administration.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2009, 02:56:17 PM
There's a politics board for that sort of thing you just posted, old_lion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 13, 2009, 07:42:27 AM
Quote from: scotswin on March 12, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: wilburt on March 12, 2009, 07:35:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 12:05:14 AM
Interesting article from the DePauw paper...


http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/20/Sports/Scac-Looks.For.Ways.To.Cut.Costs-3641137.shtml

I wonder if the GSAC is more acceptable than they were before the current economic situation.

I don't think so Ralph.  Both the SCAC and GSAC appear to try and keep together what they have already.

Maybe nothing will come of this.  But, I did hear that some of the eastern SCAC schools sent letters to the conference stating that they could not sustain the current travel arrangements and they would be withdrawing if things did not change.  I can only assume that this sparked the committee that the article discusses. 

I heard another completely unsubstantiated rumor that there is interest in making the SCAC a super conference with east and west conferences (not divisions).  Each conference could have enough schools to qualify for post season independently, but cost would be saved by having one administration.

Time will tell.


The ASC talked about that as well.  They can be two separate conferences for certain sports and one super conference for other sports.  But much like the Division IV discussion in the past I see nothing but talk and no real action.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 13, 2009, 07:47:26 AM
For you UT fans:  Asst. Head Coach Tony Jones may become the new head coach at Tennessee State. 


http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2009/mar/12/jones/?partner=RSS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:50:21 AM
Quote from: wilburt on March 13, 2009, 07:42:27 AM
Quote from: scotswin on March 12, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: wilburt on March 12, 2009, 07:35:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 12:05:14 AM
Interesting article from the DePauw paper...


http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/20/Sports/Scac-Looks.For.Ways.To.Cut.Costs-3641137.shtml

I wonder if the GSAC is more acceptable than they were before the current economic situation.

I don't think so Ralph.  Both the SCAC and GSAC appear to try and keep together what they have already.

Maybe nothing will come of this.  But, I did hear that some of the eastern SCAC schools sent letters to the conference stating that they could not sustain the current travel arrangements and they would be withdrawing if things did not change.  I can only assume that this sparked the committee that the article discusses. 

I heard another completely unsubstantiated rumor that there is interest in making the SCAC a super conference with east and west conferences (not divisions).  Each conference could have enough schools to qualify for post season independently, but cost would be saved by having one administration.

Time will tell.


The ASC talked about that as well.  They can be two separate conferences for certain sports and one super conference for other sports.  But much like the Division IV discussion in the past I see nothing but talk and no real action.
Wilburt is right.

The late Fred Jacoby, founding commissioner of the ASC, tried to get there back at the beginning of the decade, but we lost Texas Wesleyan in their exploratory year going from D-II thru D-III and onto the NAIA.  UDallas left to go independent, waiting by the phone for the SCAC to call.  Austin College was finally picked to join the SCAC when RHIT left the SCAC.

He strongly recommended that there be 2-3 schools above the minimum to avoid one school being able to hold the rest of the conference hostage on threat of leaving.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on March 13, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
Quote from: old_lion on March 12, 2009, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: MCScotsFan on March 11, 2009, 11:02:33 PM
I added Bo before Raul because I had so much to say about Raul. ;D

I know ... I was just kidding about that ... sort of.  That was always a pet peeve of mine ... the pure PG (Killer, Green, Baize, etc.) Vs. the volume shooter (Bo) who happened to be playing the lead guard position ... IMHO, they don't even belong in the same conversation.  But, when he got hot, Bo could shoot ... I'll give him that.  And, he was going to keep shooting until he got hot ... so consequently, he scored a lot and , IMHO, he got more recognition than he deserved.  His shooting %s were always pretty poor ... he scored more than the typical PG, because he shot a lot, period.  Just my opinion ...

Quote from: MCScotsFan on March 11, 2009, 11:02:33 PM

"the straw that stirs the drink" type player "- I guess you'll have to explain that one to me, if you would. i have no idea what that means. Glad I did it, but don't know what I did.  ;)

The phrase was attributed to Reggie Jackson ... not surprisingly, he was talking about himself.  As in, "I'm the guy that makes the Yankees go."

I think the phrase is much more applicable in basketball, than in baseball.  It refers to a "synergy guy" (usually a PG) who does all the things (some intangible) that enables his team to function better. In short, he makes his teammates better.  That's why, if you look at the season stats of most teams, it's almost always the "straw that stirs the drink type players" that lead them in minutes played.  His coaches, and his teammates, don't like it when he's not on the floor ... guys don't want to play instead of this type player ... they want to play with him.


Thanks for those explanations!

I think the world of Bo Mason so no comment there.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on March 14, 2009, 12:22:58 AM
How about Rust College  joinin da GSAC cuz next season its goin 2 be so really good games between Maryville an Rust cuz how young both teams r
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 16, 2009, 08:30:29 AM
Quote from: RustCollege on March 14, 2009, 12:22:58 AM
How about Rust College  joinin da GSAC cuz next season its goin 2 be so really good games between Maryville an Rust cuz how young both teams r

I would think twice about that.  The GSAC does not have a great track record with its relationships with Black Colleges.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on March 16, 2009, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: wilburt on March 16, 2009, 08:30:29 AM
Quote from: RustCollege on March 14, 2009, 12:22:58 AM
How about Rust College  joinin da GSAC cuz next season its goin 2 be so really good games between Maryville an Rust cuz how young both teams r

I would think twice about that.  The GSAC does not have a great track record with its relationships with Black Colleges.

Even now that the school has wiped out the athletic department, you cannot see that this was a funding/commitment issue rather than a black/white issue?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 16, 2009, 12:50:39 PM
Scotswin:

1. I see that the GSAC has not had great relationships with Black Colleges.  That is a fact.  Can't you see that?

2. For the record, Fisk has not wiped out the entire athletic department. That is also another fact.

Good Luck to Rust College!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on March 16, 2009, 08:23:32 PM
So how u gon say GSAC hav not had a great relationship wit black colleges wen u only had one in da GSAC so just let Rust College in cuz u will see sum great battles between Rust and Maryville wit a Pack house foe every game
Quote from: wilburt on March 16, 2009, 12:50:39 PM
Scotswin:

1. I see that the GSAC has not had great relationships with Black Colleges.  That is a fact.  Can't you see that?

2. For the record, Fisk has not wiped out the entire athletic department. That is also another fact.

Good Luck to Rust College!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on March 16, 2009, 09:33:21 PM
Wilburt,

You said that the GSAC has not had great relationships with Black Colleges (plural).  What other historically black colleges has the conference not had a great relationship with?  Spelman?  Any others?  You said it's a fact, so there has to be others, if that statement is true.  Please elaborate.

How many athletic teams does Fisk currently field?  I checked out their website and could only find men's and women's basketball, which is fine if that's what they want to do.  But it's not fine in terms of being a member of a conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 17, 2009, 07:50:02 AM
Quote from: colincondi on March 16, 2009, 09:33:21 PM
Wilburt,

You said that the GSAC has not had great relationships with Black Colleges (plural).  What other historically black colleges has the conference not had a great relationship with?  Spelman?  Any others?  You said it's a fact, so there has to be others, if that statement is true.  Please elaborate.

How many athletic teams does Fisk currently field?  I checked out their website and could only find men's and women's basketball, which is fine if that's what they want to do.  But it's not fine in terms of being a member of a conference. 


Here we go again.

1.  Fisk and Stillman were former members of the GSAC.  Both were charter members of the GSAC that were encouraged to leave the conference.  Spelman is a current member that was put on some type of probation by the GSAC in recent years.  Whether they will be encouraged to leave soon remains to be seen.  Is that ironic, coincidence or a pattern? Rust College you tell me!

2. It depends on what type of conference you are talking about.  There are preliminary discussions for Fisk (TN), Philander Smith (Ark), Talladega (AL), Morris (SC), Voorhees (SC) and Allen (SC) to form a new NAIA conference of Black Colleges.  Is that enough elaboration for you colincondi?  I note that this was after an inquiry from someone affliliated with the NAIA TranSouth Conference to see if Fisk was interested in joining them after Crichton left them.

3.  I hope the GSAC does let Rust College in.  I will wait to see how the "GSAC powers that be" will welcome them with open arms. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on March 17, 2009, 03:05:51 PM
I no Fisk was wen was Stillman an Stillman move up 2 D2 and also Stillman had plans 2 go D2 a long time ago with Lane, LOC, Clark, Morehouse and 3 other schools I bet u didn't no dat...lol 
Quote from: wilburt on March 17, 2009, 07:50:02 AM
Quote from: colincondi on March 16, 2009, 09:33:21 PM
Wilburt,

You said that the GSAC has not had great relationships with Black Colleges (plural).  What other historically black colleges has the conference not had a great relationship with?  Spelman?  Any others?  You said it's a fact, so there has to be others, if that statement is true.  Please elaborate.

How many athletic teams does Fisk currently field?  I checked out their website and could only find men's and women's basketball, which is fine if that's what they want to do.  But it's not fine in terms of being a member of a conference. 


Here we go again.

1.  Fisk and Stillman were former members of the GSAC.  Both were charter members of the GSAC that were encouraged to leave the conference.  Spelman is a current member that was put on some type of probation by the GSAC in recent years.  Whether they will be encouraged to leave soon remains to be seen.  Is that ironic, coincidence or a pattern? Rust College you tell me!

2. It depends on what type of conference you are talking about.  There are preliminary discussions for Fisk (TN), Philander Smith (Ark), Talladega (AL), Morris (SC), Voorhees (SC) and Allen (SC) to form a new NAIA conference of Black Colleges.  Is that enough elaboration for you colincondi?  I note that this was after an inquiry from someone affliliated with the NAIA TranSouth Conference to see if Fisk was interested in joining them after Crichton left them.

3.  I hope the GSAC does let Rust College in.  I will wait to see how the "GSAC powers that be" will welcome them with open arms. 

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2009, 05:50:10 PM
RustCollege,

I went back to look at my notes from the Spring of 2006, when the Fisk issue arose.

At that time, Fisk was only spending $280,000 on athletics, which was 41 % less than the next lowest school on 2006.  Since then, LaGrange has added football, and all of the programs have upgraded their athletic departments in various ways.  In my notes as to what I would have recommended that Fisk do to "commit" to the GSAC in 2006, I would have proposed increases in all sports by at least 33% per year for about 5 years to get the program up to current D-III standards. That would have translated into a 2010-11 budget of about $1.2 Million.  The financial downturn at Fisk would not permit that.

From a distance, the goals of the GSAC, which came together around 1999-2000, have changed.

Spillman moved into the big HBCU D-II conference in the South. 

Scholarship athletics ( or re-stated "athletic scholarships") have its own aura in the South.  Even Huntingdon, LaGrange and BSC are fighting this.

If I am advising the Rust athletic department on what will make a success participation in the GSAC, then I am guessing a financial commitment of nearly $0.8 to 1M is where Rust needs to be as a start.

Part of Rust's problem is its isolation with peer institutions.  Practically speaking, Rust is a long way from everyone!

Good luck with this.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 18, 2009, 07:56:31 AM
Quote from: RustCollege on March 17, 2009, 03:05:51 PM
I no Fisk was wen was Stillman an Stillman move up 2 D2 and also Stillman had plans 2 go D2 a long time ago with Lane, LOC, Clark, Morehouse and 3 other schools I bet u didn't no dat...lol 

1. Rust College:

I did know that, but it was my understanding that the GSAC encouraged Stillman to push up their timetable to move to D2 and leave the GSAC earlier than they might have originally planned.

Has the GSAC offered Rust admission?

2. Ralph Turner:

Fisk's move to the NAIA has allowed it to reduce the number of sports offered. As a result, 1) Fisk was able to make improvements to the gymnasium, 2) is able to offer athletic scholarships under current NAIA rules and 3) potentially form a new athletic conference of 6 Black Colleges in the South.

So from a financial perspective (getting more bang for its athletic buck) and a collegiality perspective (if the new conference becomes a reality) then the move to the NAIA has been a win/win for Fisk thus far.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2009, 08:09:22 AM
Quote from: wilburt on March 18, 2009, 07:56:31 AM
Quote from: RustCollege on March 17, 2009, 03:05:51 PM
I no Fisk was wen was Stillman an Stillman move up 2 D2 and also Stillman had plans 2 go D2 a long time ago with Lane, LOC, Clark, Morehouse and 3 other schools I bet u didn't no dat...lol 

1. Rust College:

I did know that, but it was my understanding that the GSAC encouraged Stillman to push up their timetable to move to D2 and leave the GSAC earlier than they might have originally planned.

Has the GSAC offered Rust admission?

2. Ralph Turner:

Fisk's move to the NAIA has allowed it to reduce the number of sports offered. As a result, 1) Fisk was able to make improvements to the gymnasium, 2) is able to offer athletic scholarships under current NAIA rules and 3) potentially form a new athletic conference of 6 Black Colleges in the South.

So from a financial perspective (getting more bang for its athletic buck) and a collegiality perspective (if the new conference becomes a reality) then the move to the NAIA has been a win/win for Fisk thus far.   
Good morning, wilburt!

The NAIA will permit an "AQ" for a conference with 6 schools.  Fisk may be come the "anchor" or the "keystone" for the conference.

As one reviews the NAIA website, those HBUC's seem to independents.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/naia/member-services/championships/Qualifcation_Plans/qual_plans_pdf/qual_MBB_DI.pdf

http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/naia/member-services/championships/Qualifcation_Plans/qual_plans_pdf/qual_MBB_DII.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 18, 2009, 08:24:50 AM
Dr. Ralph you are correct the 6 schools would make it an AQ in the NAIA. No more scheduling problems trying to get a Pool B bid.  I don't know if Fisk will become an anchor or not but it is the only school in a "big city" aside from Philander Smith in Little Rock, Arkansas.

Bottom line is that the alumni are happy with the move and the new direction of playing more of our tradition rivals!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 18, 2009, 03:46:22 PM
I will be the GSAC's representation at the NCAA division three final four!  I am going to Salem to see some good basketball... and maybe play a little golf.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 18, 2009, 08:31:13 PM
http://mountainpress.southernheadlines.com/index.cfm?section=34&story=13459

This article is for my buddy OLD LION!! Dropping dimes..lol.. It was fun..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 18, 2009, 10:08:24 PM
Wilburt

I hate to mention it but I couldn't help but notice that Fisk women didn't do any better against Dee Bell at Martin Methodist, this season than they did when he was at Maryville, 88-27.

http://sitemason.martinmethodist.edu/files/fKLODu/Game%2023%20MMCvFisk%202.7.htm (http://sitemason.martinmethodist.edu/files/fKLODu/Game%2023%20MMCvFisk%202.7.htm)

I always liked the Fisk men's games and I think it made the other conference schools better, as far as men's basketball went, to have them. But it was a drag on all other sports. So Im glad Fisk is now able to devote resources where they feel they can make the most benefit to their student athletes.

At this point, maybe the GSAC should just watch and pay attention but not worry about the other conferences. When the dam breaks, be it for travel expenses or fear of falling behind in a super conference race, or from some other odd ball straw that always seems to trigger major shifts I sort of think that there may be more than one option presented very quickly to the entire conference along with some subsset ideas to 1) MC alone, 2) PC alone, 3) HC and LC as a package and 4) the womens only institutions.

Maybe by then the GSAC wont care if it adds a member here or there, maybe it will test the solidarity, but no need to speculate yet. Just wait and watch for the first odd move somewhere else then start the speculating.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 19, 2009, 07:51:46 AM
batteredbard:

Despite the loss to Martin Methodist the women did win a couple of games this season.  The biggest problem Fisk faced with the women's program when it was in D3 (and still is to a certain extent) was that too many players that were recruited to play changed their minds once they got on campus.  They either focused on academics or become active in other social endeavors.

With respect to the GSAC I agree with you, but I would add this. You can't grow as a conference when 1) you are contracting every few years (ie Fisk and Stillman) & 2) turning your nose at prospective members (ie Thomas More and UDallas).

Three (3) of those four (4) schools have moved on to other conferences with automatic bids (albeit one to D2) and a 4th one is seeking to create a new conference in the NAIA - yet the GSAC remains stagnant after nearly a decade of existence.  There may be millions of reasons for this, but the responsibility has to rest with the GSAC leadership.  What's the vision for the GSAC in the next ten years? We all have seen what the first ten years has produced.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 19, 2009, 10:08:42 PM
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/mar/18/thunderbolts-run-is-over/

here is what happens without the killer

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 20, 2009, 10:16:36 PM
I just finished watching the DIII final four semis, and I must say that I wasn't overly impressed.  Washington University was a good team, but the other three teams seemed only slightly above average.  I know that most of the top ranked teams, for some reason, got put in one fourth of the bracket, but I think that MC could be there next year.  I believe in the scots, and I am ready for a final four run.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 23, 2009, 10:27:56 AM
Congratulations to Pittman ( 1st  team) & Watson ( 2nd  team ) All South Region
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 24, 2009, 02:25:37 PM
Congrats to Pittman and Eryk.  Who are the other members of the all-region teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 24, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 25, 2009, 04:01:41 PM
Number 11 for Guilford made first team all-region.  He can shoot the rock like no ones business.  No mention of Old Gregg, I thought that he was as good as any big man I saw this year except for Carson Newman's Auburn transfer.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 07, 2009, 10:00:17 AM
Does anyone know if the GSAC tournament rotates back to Huntingdon next year or if it will it be somewhere else?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 23, 2009, 11:42:24 AM
early Maryville men's basketball commitments:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2996

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2995
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 29, 2009, 10:59:30 AM
Another MC recruit:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3008
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 06, 2009, 09:06:35 AM
Another Maryville recruit:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3016
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 07, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
The Woodruff kid is not going to be a basketball player at MC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 07, 2009, 10:48:12 AM
Because....??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 07, 2009, 02:52:44 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on May 07, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
The Woodruff kid is not going to be a basketball player at MC.

Sounds like he has a pretty good basketball pedigree to me ... surely you're not suggesting he's going to Murval just because he has nice legs ... and looks good in a plaid skirt ...  :o

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 07, 2009, 02:58:47 PM
And another thing ... why is it that every D3 school but Murvul seems to feel that there are compelling reason(s) not to post info about incoming recruits?

I have never understood that one ...

I've heard ("they say") that most schools feel it's against D3 rules ... is it or isn't it?  Does anyone really care?  Apparently, it hasn't caused any problems for Murvul ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2009, 06:32:01 PM
A D-III school can release information about a student-athlete once he or she pays his deposit for the following school year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on May 13, 2009, 01:57:42 PM
Scottie I will not steal your thunder by telling of the Scots new commits.I just want to know how Lambert continues to talk players to come in despite the depth and youth at the guard position.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 13, 2009, 11:48:11 PM
Beats me.  Snake oil? 

New commits:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3027

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3028
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 14, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
Move over Miami of Ohio ... apparently, Piedmont is the new "cradle of coaches".

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=cradle+of+coaches&ei=utf-8&fr=b1ie7

OK, we have some considerable catching up to do ... but, it's a start.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/documents/2009/4/29/mbkb_newsletter_volume_10.pdf?id=95

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main.asp?SectionID=7&SubSectionID=7&ArticleID=59690&TM=30403.23

Congrats, guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 16, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
Quote from: old_lion on May 07, 2009, 02:52:44 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on May 07, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
The Woodruff kid is not going to be a basketball player at MC.

Sounds like he has a pretty good basketball pedigree to me ... surely you're not suggesting he's going to Murval just because he has nice legs ... and looks good in a plaid skirt ...  :o



He is nowhere good enough to play at Maryville College
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 17, 2009, 04:54:57 PM
Didn't some folks say that about Dustin Brown?

What about the rest of the "class" so far, Spencer?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 19, 2009, 10:25:51 PM
IMHO, Dustin always had a brain for the game.  As far as the rest of the class,  Ryan Click is a solid shooter and I hear word of a large post player from Puerto Rico.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on May 19, 2009, 11:18:14 PM
actually, the grubby one likes the Woodruff kid
enough said...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 28, 2009, 10:36:56 AM
Another point guard recruit for Maryville:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3043

About how many point guards can a team like MC accomodate?  It is clear that great teams have to have great point guard play....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 28, 2009, 10:15:10 PM
I think that Kelten might help calm the MC offense down; he might be a good presence on a court with four people who shoot every time they touch it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 28, 2009, 10:16:39 PM
http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090528/SPORTS/305289987

Great News!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 28, 2009, 10:32:57 PM
This is great news for sports like soccer and baseball who won conference and didn't make the NCAA tournament, but the only bad thing is that there is no room for complaints anymore!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 29, 2009, 09:35:10 AM
Spencer are you kidding?  Can you see this board not complaining? 

This is an interesting development.  I hope it leads to at least some scheduling relief for men's basketball.  It clearly will help the other sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 03, 2009, 10:53:45 AM
Yet another MC guard recruit.  Anybody know this one?  Pretty good stats.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3048
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 03, 2009, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 03, 2009, 10:53:45 AM
Yet another MC guard recruit.  Anybody know this one?  Pretty good stats.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3048

Hmmm ... this is getting interesting ...

I just looked it up ... Murvul had 12 guys average over 7 minutes per game (9 were at 12 mpg or better) last season. Only one of them was a Sr. Assuming Williamson is coming back, that's 12 returnees that have played ... plus, I think there were 4 or 5 other guys on the roster ...

RL has now "signed" 8 new guys for next season ... 7 of them guards.  I would have loved to have been privy to the sales pitch that got the 7th guard to commit.  Apparently, RL could sell ice water to eskimos ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 04, 2009, 10:51:58 AM
Maybe with the melting icecaps, that is easier than it used to be.  Still, beats me what RDL is going to do with all these guards.  It's not like MC did not have a pretty good crop already.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 07, 2009, 08:12:21 PM
RDL knows the cream will rise to the top, its not like D1 where you are limited by scholarships, just bring them in and they will earn their playing time and if not, well they did not want to be the best.  it is not a participation sport

Go RDL
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 09, 2009, 10:22:31 AM
Yo Matt!  Predictions about Scots and Rocky Top this summer?

Predictions about which will be the cream of the guard crop?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 10, 2009, 10:36:59 AM
Scots ranked 9th in D3 in average attendance for home games last year.  First in the South.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 10, 2009, 11:03:48 PM
no predictions here
here are the facts
Eryk watson will be playing with CJ Watson and Jon Higgins this year
The Killer, Dustin Peanut Brown and monte calloway will be playing for the grubby one
gonna b fun
it is a great chance for Watson to learn by watching an NBA point guard, CJ does it the right way
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 11, 2009, 12:29:44 PM
So Eryk can tell the Scottie point guards what he learns about "distribution" issues?

Good luck to the Grubby One and his team!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on June 19, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
KILLER IS BACK!!Been a awhile since I posted. I told the Grubby one if he wanted to make the playoffs he needed to pick me! lol ;)

All is well in the Rocky Top and the Grubby's Team is in First place 2-0.

here is the link to the league and the stats:
www.rockytopbasketballleague.com
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 20, 2009, 11:19:10 PM
http://www.pblproball.com/teamsites/rosters/?player_id=96
what about allen white ballin in the PBL

GSAC stars playing pro ball

BTW, Bowers is headed to romania
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 21, 2009, 01:47:58 PM
Where does the PBL fit into the system of pro leagues "under" the NBA?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 21, 2009, 06:41:16 PM
NBA
NBDL
CBA/PBL
ABA
I put the ABA below the other 2 b/c of league management issues, although the owner of the Nashville team bought the starting 5 of the CBA champs and they did not win the ABA
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 24, 2009, 11:12:16 AM
Another all women's institution?   ???

http://www.greatsouth.org/News/gen/2009/5/13/51309_Salem_GSAC.asp

Isn't the problem that we don't have enough men's teams to get AQs?  It sort of reminds me of much of the stimulus package ... yeah, there is activity, but what's the point?   :-\

I realize the gsac brain trust often moves in mysterious ways ... but there must be some logic here I'm missing?  If someone would like to enlighten me, I'd be interested to find out what it is.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 25, 2009, 08:55:42 AM
Quote from: old_lion on June 24, 2009, 11:12:16 AM
Another all women's institution?   ???

http://www.greatsouth.org/News/gen/2009/5/13/51309_Salem_GSAC.asp

Isn't the problem that we don't have enough men's teams to get AQs?  It sort of reminds me of much of the stimulus package ... yeah, there is activity, but what's the point?   :-\

I realize the gsac brain trust often moves in mysterious ways ... but there must be some logic here I'm missing?  If someone would like to enlighten me, I'd be interested to find out what it is.



Let me know when you get an answer!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 25, 2009, 10:43:29 AM
If the GSAC and USASouth already have negotiated a way for the GSAC men to play in a league with AQ, what is the problem with adding another women's school?

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090528/SPORTS/305289987
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 25, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: old_lion on June 24, 2009, 11:12:16 AM
Another all women's institution?   ???

http://www.greatsouth.org/News/gen/2009/5/13/51309_Salem_GSAC.asp

Isn't the problem that we don't have enough men's teams to get AQs?  It sort of reminds me of much of the stimulus package ... yeah, there is activity, but what's the point?   :-\

I realize the gsac brain trust often moves in mysterious ways ... but there must be some logic here I'm missing?  If someone would like to enlighten me, I'd be interested to find out what it is.



From my post on the GSAC women's board...

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2009, 03:22:11 PM
I really see this as part of a bigger picture for D-III in the southeast.

Salem gets into a conference which helps with scheduling.  The non-conference games will be the same teams (USA South) as they have had.  The GSAC moves to an 8-team (women's) conference.  This solidifies the AQ's for the women...8 is better than 7.  The addition of softball just made sense.  Salem's Volleyball and Tennis give the GSAC [women] an AQ bid in 2011-12.

This also strikes a balance for women's programs in the southeast, 4 all-women's schools in the GSAC and now 3 in the USAC.  (The conference alignment makes that 8 GSAC women's teams and 10 USAC or 9 if Shenandoah leaves.)

I still believe that Shenandoah is out of the USA South by fall 2012.  The USA South men need an affiliation with the GSAC men to maintain the AQ.

I also look for the GSAC to add Covenant if they decide to come D3 after their provisional year, 2008-09.  We should hear on Berry GA and Covenant in the next 6 weeks. (Berry probably goes to the SCAC after 1-2 years as an independent.)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 29, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
Quote from: old_lion on June 24, 2009, 11:12:16 AM
Another all women's institution?   ???

http://www.greatsouth.org/News/gen/2009/5/13/51309_Salem_GSAC.asp

Isn't the problem that we don't have enough men's teams to get AQs?  It sort of reminds me of much of the stimulus package ... yeah, there is activity, but what's the point?   :-\

I realize the gsac brain trust often moves in mysterious ways ... but there must be some logic here I'm missing?  If someone would like to enlighten me, I'd be interested to find out what it is.

What independent school would you add, then?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on June 30, 2009, 08:15:06 PM
http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090630/SPORTS/306309977
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 30, 2009, 11:14:55 PM
it looks to me like the USA South and the GSAC are dancing around the issue.  its like hookin up with an ugly chick.  You know you are going to do, you know you want to, you know things are going to be rough for a little while after you do it as everyone makes fun of you in the short term, but after it is done everyone feels better and things start moving forward again.

Just go ahead and merge, the 2 conferences need each other, you are right there, its late, have some more drinks and lets get this thing wrapped up.  Lambert will dominate this conference too.  go scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 01, 2009, 12:05:03 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on June 30, 2009, 11:14:55 PM
it looks to me like the USA South and the GSAC are dancing around the issue. its like hookin up with an ugly chick.  You know you are going to do, you know you want to, you know things are going to be rough for a little while after you do it as everyone makes fun of you in the short term, but after it is done everyone feels better and things start moving forward again.

Just go ahead and merge, the 2 conferences need each other, you are right there, its late, have some more drinks and lets get this thing wrapped up.  Lambert will dominate this conference too.  go scots.
+1!   ;)

From the ODAC football board...

Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2009, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on June 27, 2009, 04:05:30 PM
Interesting article, but the last I heard Shenandoah was still on the outside looking in. Has anyone got any updated info? (Relevant passage is about three-quarters of the way through the article.)

http://www.tricities.com/tri/sports/college/college_football/article/emory_henry_football_coach_working_overtime_for_breakthrough_season/27081/


Quote
...
The schedule for the Wasps remains the same this fall. There will be two changes in 2010 with the addition of the University of Virginia's College at Wise and Shenandoah University.
E&H travels to Wise in 2010 for the first of a two-year contract. Shenandoah, located in Winchester, Va., is entering the ODAC. Greensboro is one of the teams that will be eliminated from the E&H schedule.
...

...and from the USA South football board about the economic hard times at Greensboro.


Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 29, 2009, 08:55:37 PM
From the front page...

http://www.news-record.com/content/2009/06/27/article/greensboro_college_fending_off_creditors

This is very sobering news.

The affiliation of the GSAC-Men may be what saves the USA South.

Creditors at the door?   :o

That is serious at Greensboro.  The USAC needs GSAC big time.

I think that the problem is not that the USA South doesn't want the GSAC, it may be whether there will be seven full men's members of the USA South to maintain their AQ's.

The prescient Grubby One may be right that we probably ought to anticipate the word "merger" for the men and not "affiliation".   ;)




I'll bet the Grubby One first heard the word "prescient" in a scholarly oratory by Coach Lambert!   :D    :)    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 02, 2009, 10:10:58 AM
Mr. Grubby One:  What's with the Scots in Rocky Top?  Everybody hurt?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 02, 2009, 02:57:42 PM
Can anyone confirm LaGrange has a new floor?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 04, 2009, 10:17:52 PM
IDK, i don't understand kids these days
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 08, 2009, 11:04:33 AM
Grubb,
You are so out of touch with today's youth!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 08, 2009, 11:07:59 AM
So Spencer, can we assume you are not and that you therefore can explain the Scots' disappearing act in the Rocky Top?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 08, 2009, 08:05:22 PM
I don't know either, but Scots' players can learn from watching the better players while they ride the pine.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2009, 11:54:48 PM
Shenandoah is gradually easing itself out the door.

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=39092&CHID=3&sub=

Quote
HARRISONBURG - Shenandoah University has pined to be a member of the Old Dominion Athletic Conference for years. Now, that might be about to happen, albeit only in football.

ODAC commissioner Brad Bankston said Wednesday that the Hornets applied in mid February and were approved for an associate membership in late April, meaning Shenandoah could join the Salem-based league for football only as early as 2011.

"Procedurally, everything is in place," Bankston said by phone. "But there is still quite a bit that would have to happen for us to move forward."

From the ODAC perspective, Bankston said Shenandoah is in, but whether the Hornets make the jump depends on their ability to find a new home for their 17 other varsity sports. Shenandoah will not be an all-sports member of the ODAC because of the league's moratorium on admitting full members, and SU's current conference - Fayetteville, N.C.-based USA South - does not allow its full members to field varsity teams elsewhere.
...

The GSAC deal looks better every day.



...also posted on the USA South board.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 10, 2009, 11:37:06 AM
So Ralph what do you see happening?  If SU cannot join ODAC for real or stay in the USASouth,....???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 10, 2009, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on July 10, 2009, 11:37:06 AM
So Ralph what do you see happening?  If SU cannot join ODAC for real or stay in the USASouth,....???
I don't know.

They have football, which is what the ODAC wants.

Maybe the ODAC will take Shenandoah on as a full member.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 11, 2009, 12:51:10 PM
Rocky top league is not good for Scot players. Maryville College players are system players. Coach Lambert does not have a player on his team right now that can create on his own against those caliber of athletes. Maybe in past years he has but not now. In my opinion that is why they are not successful in the rocky top league.

The Scots will be a team to contend with if they stay healthy.

Damron
Wes
Eryk
Greg
I like Milton.. as the last guy to round out starting 5..

Maverick and 6"10 post player

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 11, 2009, 02:08:10 PM
Killer:
6'10" post player?  Milton over Williamson?

Is everyone healthy so far? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 11, 2009, 07:48:17 PM
everyone is working on it

Damron has the ability to go one on one with anyone, but he does not have the work ethic so that he can do it everyday.  he can do it on his best days and if he would work at it he could do it everyday.  The Killer still dominates the rocky top league.

There are some variables left in the starting 5 for next year but right now the ones that are guaranteed to get lots of minutes are

Wesley Lambert
Eryk Watson
Greg Hernandez
Jordan Damron

In that order, my pick for most improved will be Wes, he is the next Brent Watts
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 12, 2009, 01:26:22 PM
If you are going to go to the considerable trouble it is actually to play lots of minutes for RDL, it would seem to me that you'd want to go ahead and commit to being as good at it as you can.   

The next Brent Watts?  High praise coming from the Grubby One.  That's putting a lot of weight on Wesley's young shoulders.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 12, 2009, 06:15:22 PM
No doubt about that being high praise.  People do tend to forget about Williamson, and sometimes for good reason.  I don't think he will do as well as a starter if that happens.  He is also a volume shooter, and with Gregg and Eryk on the floor how will that work?  I have heard that Ben might not have the same spring in his step, but all the same, I think he is a fantastic player with talent to spare.  Hopefully, he will be an all GSAC performer and help lead MC to a final four...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on July 15, 2009, 07:35:01 PM
So this may be out of place now but we did bring it up when it started and Fisk was still in conference.

From the AP:

By TRAVIS LOLLER
Associated Press Writer

NASHVILLE  — Tennessee's Court of Appeals has ruled that a New Mexico museum has no right to an art collection painter Georgia O'Keeffe donated to Fisk University 50 years ago.

The court acknowledged in a ruling filed Tuesday that O'Keeffe placed certain conditions on the gift of 101 artworks but said any right she had to most of those works ended when she died.

A lower court rejected attempts by the financially struggling university to sell two paintings or an equal share of the collection to an Arkansas museum.

The O'Keeffe Museum objected, saying Fisk's plan violated a bequest condition that the works be displayed together. The court rejected the contention that the art should go to the O'Keeffe museum, which represents the painter's estate.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 16, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
Ben's injury was a rough one. His step will probably never be the same but he is still a very good D3 basketball player. I just like him coming off the bench to give you a spark offensively. That is a six man who can potentially be your second leading scorer. Just the Coach in me would like to see this line-up

Jordan      Laverdie
Wes         Ben
Eryk         Peanut
Greg       Felix
Milton     Maverick
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 16, 2009, 11:11:54 AM
Killer, where's the beef? The guy who bangs,sets screens,does the stuff that doesn't show up on the stat sheet? In other words , Who fills the Shumate roll?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 17, 2009, 09:36:34 AM
Shumate was a great kid but I don't think he will be missed. I really like the Milton kid. In my opinion if the Scots want to get to the Final Four they need to go small and run!! They could even put Ben or Eryk at the 4. Most of the Div III teams are not physically impossing where a 6'3 kid can't cover a 6"6 four man.
  Just my opinion but what do I know. Got too much time on my hands right now. NO SCHOOL!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 17, 2009, 10:26:03 AM
Killer:  What you advocate happens to fit pretty well with how RDL's recruiting and current team shapes up.  Lots of guards and wing types and not many big'uns.  I hope everybody stays healthy and let's see what happens!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 17, 2009, 10:49:51 AM
this team will not be short on talent that's for sure. Lots of shooters.I knowthey use a lot of screens to set up those shooters & I thought a bigger guy might set a bigger screen.I like the Rucker kid,a little more length,can step out on the floor & gives energy.On a different note, is the Queen kid coming back? I know he had some illness that set him back.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 17, 2009, 10:59:05 AM
Queen will be back; I am not sure if he will get any time or not, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 20, 2009, 06:07:03 PM
Yikes!  Another MC guard recruit who seems to bring some talent to the Scots.  More ammo for Killerball.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3068
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 21, 2009, 10:58:57 AM
Looks like help is on the way ... per the July newsletter ...
http://www.piedmontlions.com/sports/2007/8/27/newsletter.aspx?path=mbball

At least a couple of these new guys s/b impact players.  Add these guys, plus Josh Chapman, who went down with an inury last year after 4 games, and PC should have its best depth since 05-06.

In the 6-5 Arnold, I'm hoping we'll have a prototypical college small foward on the team for the first time since Kemmerer left Demorest.  

One potential problem, too many guards ... good news is, we s/b able to handle it ... we've been playing 3 or 4 guards at the time for years.

Excerpted from the news letter:

Newcomers To Join PC Men's Basketball 
The Lions' men's basketball team is proud to annouce the addition of four newcomers for the upcoming season. These four student-athletes will join a Piedmont team that returns all five starters from a year ago.

Tyler Arnold 6'5 Calhoun, GA/Calhoun
2008 All-State selection, missed entire 2008-09 year with ACL injury, named 2009 Georgia/Tennessee All-Star game Most Valuable Player and three-point shooting champion, averaged 20.5 points and 8.4 rebounds as a junior, 2008 NWGA Tip-Off Club Player of the Year

Jim Orr 6'9 Gainesville, GA/Johnson
2009 Lanierland All-Tournament team, led Johnson HS to second round appearance in Region 7-AAA tournament and runner-up finish in 2009 Lanierland Tournament

Peter Ricks 6'0 Alpharetta, GA/Chattahoochee
Transfer from Oxford College, 2008-2009 Junior College (Division III) All-American, Georgia Basketball Coaches Association NAIA/JuCo Newcomer of the Year, NJCAA National Player of the Week, averaged team-high 23.1 points per game

Jeremy Smith 5'9 Cincinnati, OH/Wyoming
Two-year varsity player who helped lead Wyoming HS to 17- 11 record in Cincinnati Hills League, named Best Playmaker at 2007 Hoop Mountain Midwest Super Week Camp, scored a career high 17 points against Madeira.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 21, 2009, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: old_lion on July 21, 2009, 10:58:57 AM
One potential problem, too many guards ... good news is, we s/b able to handle it ... we've been playing 3 or 4 guards at the time for years.

Here's a thought ...

We'll have:
·   Great depth
·   Proportionately, too many guards
·   Some veterans who have proven they can play up-tempo
·   Even a couple of East Hall guys ...

So maybe ... we'll press more?  I can dream, can't I?

Consider this ... defensive rebounding and shot blocking have habitually been weak points.  Of course, we have to continue to try to improve in those areas.  But, they become less important if you can force your opponent to turn it over before they get a shot off.  I'm just saying ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 22, 2009, 10:50:07 AM
Hi old_lion!

It looks like y'all have really improved the mix, especially with a couple of these young men.  Is the word that Arnold is completely ready after the injury?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 22, 2009, 12:09:01 PM
Old_Lion if I may I will take this one for you. It does appear Arnold is over the ACL injury.He did play very well in the GA/TN all-star game .He will need additional work to get back into playing shape.That should happen in the next couple of months.Hope all goes well for this young man.Could be a very nice piece to the puzzle.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 22, 2009, 01:32:09 PM
Also,congrats to Coach Graham Crain who joins the PC staff replacing Coach Parker.Any other coaching changes?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 27, 2009, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on July 22, 2009, 10:50:07 AM
Hi old_lion!

It looks like y'all have really improved the mix, especially with a couple of these young men.  Is the word that Arnold is completely ready after the injury?

Scottie, good to hear from you ... but I'm going to have to defer those insider info type questions to bballover.  I'm just not in the loop anymore.

Thanks bballover.

I'm curious about Ricks, the JUCO transfer from Oxford. 23ppg sounds impressive, but I don't remember hearing anything about him in high school ... And what does Division III JUCO mean?  Did Oxford play decent competion?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 27, 2009, 10:39:57 AM
Any time Old_Lion.I too am curious about Mr. Ricks.You have some of the very questions I have. 23 ppg is pretty good in any league, but we will just have to wait and see. Ask me in six or eight weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 27, 2009, 02:38:57 PM
Covenant schedule shows games against every GSAC member, a good sign..http://athletics.covenant.edu/mbasketball/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 27, 2009, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: bballlover on July 27, 2009, 02:38:57 PM
Covenant schedule shows games against every GSAC member, a good sign..http://athletics.covenant.edu/mbasketball/schedule

+1 Karma

Looks like that we shall see Covenant entering into the provisional class of D-III this season.

Let's look for the announcement from the NCAA next month.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on July 27, 2009, 02:48:04 PM
Does anyone see any advantage for the GSAC if the men become as USAC division?

Not to mention what would happen to this board! Would we be thrown in to the USAC board and lose our posting history <yikes> ???

But really, the GSAC schools do not get any guaranteed games with the current USAC schools, if they do play one of them they don't count toward league standings. Still have no idea how you take the top three from GSAC vs top 5 from USAC and make a fair tourney for either side.

Maryville - doesn't get the guaranteed games it really needs and probably has a harder road to get to the NCAAs as taking a second team for an expanded USAC probably not as likely as the current pool bid.

Piedmont - no extra games though arguably easy drive for the NC schools

LC, PC, HC - would get a guaranteed reward for a great season which would prevent the no bid for HC after winning the conf tourney thing from happening again but it would no longer be beating MC to get a title.

I'm failing to see the advantage under this proposal. And if this is the USAC insurance policy should they lose a football school they give up very little for a big win on that count. Without some guaranteed cross division play then it kills the GSAC as a men's conference for no real gain.

As far as I an tell the only step made has been the GSAC voting to investigate the option. The USAC is rumored to be voting soon though on what exactly is being voted on is hard to fathom. If its not a joint meeting of the two conference's members to vote on unification in some form then what is it, ys you may investiage the option with us? You can't accept an investigation if there's no offer on the table and no one wants to vote and wait on the other guy to vote later. If they are dancing around the matter, its a middle school dance with the parties gathered on opposite sides of the gym while the music plays.

Covenant doesn't get the league to a men's AQ but its a step closer.  I'd think tighter budgets might make some schools with required cross country travel for league play reconsider their position if things don't pick up soon, which could really help down the road.

Thoughts? Am I missing something important here? ???


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 27, 2009, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on July 27, 2009, 02:48:04 PM
If they are dancing around the matter, its a middle school dance with the parties gathered on opposite sides of the gym while the music plays.

Nice analogy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 27, 2009, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on July 27, 2009, 02:48:04 PM
But really, the GSAC schools do not get any guaranteed games with the current USAC schools, if they do play one of them they don't count toward league standings. Still have no idea how you take the top three from GSAC vs top 5 from USAC and make a fair tourney for either side.

***

Thoughts? Am I missing something important here? ???


The major objective is not a "fair tourney" for either side, but that the GSAC schools have access to a tourney that is an automatic qualifier for the "big tourney" bid.  Guaranteed games don't matter as much if you have access to an automatic qualifying bid! That's Pool B type thinking, and Pool B bids are becoming extinct as the years go on and the conferences grow...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 27, 2009, 05:18:11 PM
Bard, When Shenandoah leaves the USASouth (probably in summer of 2010), the USA South has 2 years to add a member to keep the AQ in all of the current sports except football, where Maryville makes the difference.

I don't see a likely candidate to join the USA South in the provisional pipeline in that time period.  The easiest way to handle the AQ issue is the find affiliates for all of the sports.

Greensboro has put its campus up for collateral to cover its indebtedness.  Its financial situation is possibly tenuous.

The USA South is vulnerable to losing its AQ by fall 2012.

I think that they need several schools to give a cushion against the AQ and the GSAC men can do that.

Wilburt is right about Pool B.  Pool B is shrinking.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on July 30, 2009, 11:46:56 PM
OK  you have access to an AQ tourney but if your thinking tourney lines consider this example.

The way we understand it at the moment, were this to have been in place last season

No. 1 Averett plays  No. 5 methodist/Shenandoah
                                                                                                         semifinal
No. 2  Huntingdon plays No. 3 Ferrum

                                                                                                                               final
No. 2 CNU plays No. 3 LaGrange
                                                                                                         semifinal
No. 1 Maryville plays No. 4 NC Wesleyan


Last season both of those No. 1 seeds went to the tourney, and yes I acknowledge Pool B is shrinking and that's a going to be a harder place for MC to go then it has been in the past, but do we see the expanded USAC making the radar for taking a second team besides the AQ? Both teams changed quite a bit from that meeting last year but its the only score of reference, say MC wins this mythical title 107-68 and Averett doesn't get to dance.

If Im a current USAC coach Im looking at MC playing 24 game regular season with only six conf games while I'm playing 14 conf games and wondering if that's fair.

Or if you flip the outcome, then MC can't get the games it needs to even be considered for a bid.

I just dont see how you don't balance it out and relaign the divisions as teams come (Covenant) or go (Shenandoah, Greensboro)

You could even do them neutral court over the holidays to replace a christmas classic or whatever and have north play south at Averett or MC or at ETSU with six games a day for two days and make a money maker for the conference out of it and save some travel money to boot.

But then I'm a pot stirrer  ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 31, 2009, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: batteredbard on July 30, 2009, 11:46:56 PM
If Im a current USAC coach Im looking at MC playing 24 game regular season with only six conf games while I'm playing 14 conf games and wondering if that's fair.

Or if you flip the outcome, then MC can't get the games it needs to even be considered for a bid.

What has fairness got to do with anything if all of the parties are in agreement?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2009, 06:29:18 PM
Or bard, we have the 2006 Huntingdon squad that put it together at the end of the season, won the tourney and sat home!

The rules for Pool B were not geared towards a team that puts it together late in the season.

Let's not just restrict this to Basketball.

Can you imagine trying to earn a Pool B bid in baseball if the WIAC is in Pool B in 2012?

Piedmont earned its Pool B bid before the Landmark Conference, the Northern Athletics Conference, the Capital Athletic Conference, the New England Collegiate Conference and the Upper Midwest Athletic Conference all moved to Pool A!

I wrote elsewhere that Pool B Baseball in 2012 will be about 3 bids for Chapman, Ithaca, maybe 2-3 WIAC's, WashU and Emory plus whoever else is in Pool B that year.

The same goes for Soccer, too.  Soccer may be down to 1 bid in 2011...the WIAC's , UC Santa Cruz, Chapman, UDallas.

I am in favor of the affiliation because of the benefits to the entire athletic department.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2009, 06:44:02 PM
It's official...

http://www.covenant.edu/news/07.27.09


Covenant, Berry GA and PSU-Abington are the new provisionals.

Welcome to these three schools!




Berry's announcement.

http://www.berry.edu/pr/news/pressdetail.asp?ID=775

Nothing from PSU-Abington yet.  I suspect they will join the NEAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 02, 2009, 06:43:56 PM
ralph
i take it Berry is going into the SCAC and Covenant will be looking to go with the GSAC????
Have you heard anything substantial about this or is it all speculation at this point?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 02, 2009, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on August 02, 2009, 06:43:56 PM
ralph
i take it Berry is going into the SCAC and Covenant will be looking to go with the GSAC????
Have you heard anything substantial about this or is it all speculation at this point?
Matt, I am speculating at this point.

Berry has a long NAIA tradition, but they have a "SCAC-like" endowment.  Y'all know the kids that go to Berry.  Are they more Swanee/ Rhodes/ Centre/ Oglethrope or are they Maryville/ LaGrange/ Piedmont/ Huntingdon-like?  In any case, you may have three years to use Berry as a schedule-filler.  They are provisional during those years, and if Berry likes the closeness of the GSAC/USA South, then good.  Please remember, that the women's side of the GSAC is a huge plus now for both Covenant and Berry.  A ten-team women's conference can almost fill out the schedule nicely!  Much less travel for the women in the GSAC compared to the SCAC.

I think that Covenant is solid for GSAC.  I wish that you could pull Shorter, too.

I think that the "lead domino" will be what the SCAC wants to do.  They have huge strategic issues to address.

Colorado College was a football school that filled a badly needed slot on the schedule.  Rembmer how hard it has been in the SCAC to get that 10th game?  Now what is the advantage Colorado College?

-- It is a long flight from everywhere.  Their travel partner was 70 miles north of DFW airport; another flight!
-- They don't have all of the sports that the SCAC wants.
-- They abandoned a 127-year old football program.  In fact, they scheduled Homecoming in 2008 during the football team's open date.  To wit,

http://www.nme.com/awards/video/id/pQTBXQlo8K0/search/balaganjur

-- They just canned Softball.
-- They are D-1 in women's soccer.
-- No women's Golf or Field Hockey.
-- No baseball or Men's Golf.

You now have 9 football schools (AC, TU, Hendrix, Rhodes, Millsaps, BSC, Sewanee, Centre, DPU) and the chance that Centenary might add football to make 10?  After all, the new Centenary College president was at LaGrange when they added football!

The SCAC has stated that they like the twelve team format.  The next logical jump would be to 16.  Centenary and UDallas would make nice additions for geographical reasons.  Sixteen is just beyond reach, especially if DPU were courted to go to the NCAC.

How has Oglethrope weathered the financial downturn?  Oglethorpe must like the company that it keeps.  It looks great to show peer institutions as Sewanee, Rhodes  and Centre, but an AQ conference (GSAC with Berry, Covenant, Huntindgon, LaGrange, Maryville, Oglethorpe, and Piedmont) without all of the travel is something that the finance people must consider.

I think that the GSAC is moving along nicely.  Best wishes!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 02, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
The NCAC board is talking about Earlham leaving the 10-team NCAC and moving to the HCAC.  DPU and Wabash are BIG rivals (Alabama/Auburn, Texas/Texas A&M, Hope/Calvin), and it would help with the isolation problem.

That is another challenge to the SCAC strategcially.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on August 06, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
Heads up Mr Yipsi, Wilburt, Scottie ... and all my other misguided friends.   ;D

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6241.msg1082053#msg1082053

Under the category of be careful what you wish for ... the saga continues ...  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on August 06, 2009, 10:14:02 PM
Ralph,

I think you make the case for the better alternative, which is to make the run at rebuilding the GSAC starting with Covenant.  You're going to get squeezed in post season for a few years but if you go USAC affiliate the GSAC is a women's only league and it suddenly becomes very confusing as to how you would even add Covenant or anyone else down the road for men's athletics. It would be helpful to see how much autonomy for the GSAC is in the proposal.

Another point a sharp eyed reader pointed out that I missed. How would you do the tourney as far as men's women's go? Would the GSAC women be playing say at Agnes Scott (since with no men they could now host) and the USAC-GSAC men play at CNU with the USAC women? Or flip reverse it to a GSAC hosting both and the USAC women alone. What's the cost/benefit travel and logistics wise for the schools? ???

I suppose we'll get the next glimpse sometime Friday as to how things are going.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 07, 2009, 08:54:10 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on August 06, 2009, 10:14:02 PM
Ralph,

I think you make the case for the better alternative, which is to make the run at rebuilding the GSAC starting with Covenant.  You're going to get squeezed in post season for a few years but if you go USAC affiliate the GSAC is a women's only league and it suddenly becomes very confusing as to how you would even add Covenant or anyone else down the road for men's athletics. It would be helpful to see how much autonomy for the GSAC is in the proposal.

Another point a sharp eyed reader pointed out that I missed. How would you do the tourney as far as men's women's go? Would the GSAC women be playing say at Agnes Scott (since with no men they could now host) and the USAC-GSAC men play at CNU with the USAC women? Or flip reverse it to a GSAC hosting both and the USAC women alone. What's the cost/benefit travel and logistics wise for the schools? ???

I suppose we'll get the next glimpse sometime Friday as to how things are going.
Thanks for the comment, Bard!

When I get the map to look at candidates to move to D-III from somewhere else, I rule out D-1's because there are so few BSC's and Centenary's.  We have seen the Presbyterian's and Wofford's commit to D-1 style programs. Even North Georgia College and State University went from the NAIA to D-II.

That leaves the NAIA and the NCCAA as likely sources for GSAC Men's programs.

What are the possibilities that one of these schools would commit to the 4-5 year process to join D-III?  (A school with an enrollment of 1000 will require 6 men's and 6 women's sports prior to beginning the exploratory process as the NCAA is moving now.)

NAIA

Alabama

Auburn University Montgomery, Montgomery, AL
Faulkner University, Montgomery, AL
University of Mobile, Mobile, AL
Spring Hill College, Mobile, AL
Talladega College, Talladega, AL

Georgia

Berry College, Mount Berry, GA -- Coming to D-III
Brenau University, Gainesville, GA
Brewton-Parker College, Mt. Vernon, GA
Covenant College, Lookout Mountain, GA -- Coming to D-III
Emmanuel College, Franklin Springs, GA
Life University, Marietta, GA
Reinhardt College, Waleska, GA
Savannah College of Art and Design, Savannah, GA -- Left D-III earlier this decade
Shorter College, Rome, GA
Southern Polytechnic State University, Marietta, GA
Thomas University, Thomasville, GA
Truett-McConnell College, Cleveland, GA

South Carolina

Allen University, Columbia, SC
Columbia College, Columbia, SC
Morris College, Sumter, SC
University of South Carolina - Beaufort, Bluffton, SC
Southern Wesleyan University, Central, SC
Voorhees College, Denmark, SC

Tennessee

Bethel College, McKenzie, TN
Bryan College, Dayton, TN
Cumberland University, Lebanon, TN
Fisk University, Nashville, TN  -- Left D-III
Freed-Hardeman University, Henderson, TN
King College, Bristol, TN  (Headed to D-II. Promoted from candidacy to Provisional year 1 on 9/1/09)
Lambuth University, Jackson, TN   (Repeating year one of D-II Candidacy)
Lee University, Cleveland, TN
Martin Methodist College, Pulaski, TN
Milligan College, Milligan College, TN
Tennessee Wesleyan College, Athens, TN
Trevecca Nazarene University, Nashville, TN
Union University, Jackson, TN

NCCAA -- South Region Division I
(Several NCCAA schools have dual membership in the NAIA or NCAA.)

Baptist College of Florida
Carver Bible College
Chowan University  (D-II)
Emmanuel College
North Greenville University
Palm Beach Atlantic University  (D-II)
Pensacola Christian College
Southeastern University
Southern Wesleyan University
Truett-McConnell College

NCCAA -- South Region Division II

Atlanta Christian College
Clearwater Christian College
Florida Christian College
Piedmont Baptist College
Southeastern Bible College
Toccoa Falls College
Trinity College of Florida
Wesley College MS



Who on that list would anyone even consider inviting to join the GSAC?

Thanks to anyone who will contribute!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 08, 2009, 11:28:32 PM
None of the above, Ralph, but you knew that already!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 11, 2009, 09:51:54 PM
GSAC-USA South merger called off. (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/08/11/great-south--usa-south-merger-called-off.html)

In some ways, I think that the GSAC is a more stable conference at this time.

Greensboro is financially trooubled.

Shenandoah is supposedly leaving.

Which other shoe "has not dropped"?

These talks will continue to surface.

The USA South has its AQ's thru the 2011-12 season as the by-laws read at this time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 11, 2009, 09:53:14 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on August 08, 2009, 11:28:32 PM
None of the above, Ralph, but you knew that already!
Thanks, Doug.

Offline, some well-respected posters on this board commented and had the same opinion.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 12, 2009, 10:25:52 AM
Daily Times (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090812/SPORTS/308119961) article by Christopher James on the merger vote.

How quickly can Covenant get the paperwork to the GSAC office?

Another women's program in northwest GA helps with travel expenses on that side of the house!

That would be nine women's members including Salem and Covenant.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 12, 2009, 12:13:40 PM
Hewre is the MC press release.  Not much different from the more complete Daily Times article.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=18&id=3080

It will be interesting if the current economic situation forces some schools that are more affluent than the GSAC institutions to affiliate "down" from their accustomed "higher" status.  My fear would be that such moves would be temporary and that the status itch will reemerge as dominant when the economy gets better.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 12, 2009, 03:15:38 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on August 12, 2009, 12:13:40 PM
Hewre is the MC press release.  Not much different from the more complete Daily Times article.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=18&id=3080

It will be interesting if the current economic situation forces some schools that are more affluent than the GSAC institutions to affiliate "down" from their accustomed "higher" status.  My fear would be that such moves would be temporary and that the status itch will reemerge as dominant when the economy gets better.

I know that is an underlying thought in these issues, but the reality is that there do not appear to be any schools in the NC/VA area of sufficient "highness of stature" to move to D3 and the USA South.

When Shenandoah leaves, the USA South loses its AQ in 2012-13, and it is a five year process at the minimum to become a full member.  (I don't know how that PSU-Harrisburg will accomplish it in three years.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on August 12, 2009, 03:36:36 PM
I'm not surprised by the vote except that it was unanimous. I do wish we'd been able to see a copy of what it was they actually voted on rather than hear it explained from coaches.

Geographically I think we might see a school or two consider the GSAC. I would think Covenant adds some momentum. And while economics would probably be the impetus to consider a switch even in good times its hard to justify conferences that aren't somewhat marginally geographically compact.

There's just so much more that can be done for the athletes rather than flying each team two or three times a year. I've asked a few athletes about it the last two years and the majority of that very unscientific polling would rather go somewhere different every year if they're going to travel.

I think GSAC hopes for two converts and another school to move up/down  to D3 in the GA TN Ala area.

As for the USA South, Greensboro is a worry. They need the teams but have to afford them. We know there is a difference between having athletics and properly supporting athletics. Shenandoah is a Catch-22. Sure they might want to leave but do they risk being independent in all other sports to get in the ODAC for football? Until the ODAC lifts the moratorium on full members SU is stuck. It sounds like USAC is all or nothing about it. If SU leaves for football they are out for all according to what the commish said in an article earlier this summer.

So maybe in two years they do this all over again but the GSAC is the one voting rather than the USAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 13, 2009, 10:22:57 AM
What I had in my mind in my references to the status issue was the issue of any SCAC schools that are in the east (Rhodes, Centre, Oglethorpe, BSC, Sewanee...) joining the GSAC.  It would make all kinds of sense for the athletes to participate in a conference that was current GSAC, Covenant, Berry, and the ones I mention above, but the issue of status for the schools (as distinguished from the issue of what is best for the student-athletes) is likely to mess it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 26, 2009, 01:36:07 PM
While the Scots schedule does not look to be as brutal as last years,the trip to Guilford will be a real test.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 28, 2009, 09:56:44 PM
lets just wait and see who gets tired of paying for travel in this economy, this economy aint lookin up anytime soon
not a question of can they pay for it, but will they have the desire or will they took the easier road which is less travel and more natural rivalries
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 29, 2009, 11:37:39 PM
Quote from: bballlover on August 26, 2009, 01:36:07 PM
While the Scots schedule does not look to be as brutal as last years,the trip to Guilford will be a real test.
I haven't seen a schedule for either Maryville or Guilford, bballlover.  What's the date for the game?  The Scots play at Greenboro on Jan. 6, so my guess would be within a day or so of this game (travel costs again).  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 30, 2009, 09:12:46 AM
Sorry Nova I can't get this laptop to copy but the game is Dec. 16.They play at Averett on the 14th . The schedule is on the board somewhere.Thats where I saw it.I'm sure it's on the Scots sight also.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 31, 2009, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: bballlover on August 30, 2009, 09:12:46 AM
Sorry Nova I can't get this laptop to copy but the game is Dec. 16.They play at Averett on the 14th . The schedule is on the board somewhere.Thats where I saw it.I'm sure it's on the Scots sight also.
Thanks for the information.  Maryville combining a trip to Averett and Guilford makes sense as well - Danville and Greensboro are about 50 miles apart.  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 09, 2009, 11:43:11 PM
here is something that makes sense
the fighting scots will win another GSAC title this year
Another NCAA Bid
and Pat, help start this train in the right direction, Eryk Watson, All America

think about it
I love making predictions for march in early september, we are only 6 months away
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on September 10, 2009, 02:48:11 PM
I agree with you there Mr. Grubb
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 22, 2009, 08:54:10 PM
mc alumni bball game october 16th at 8 pm
Usually cast of characters so be ready
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 30, 2009, 09:24:48 AM
I will be there!! Two time alumni champion.. :D

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 15, 2009, 09:11:38 AM
The fun begins.Optimism abounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSID on October 16, 2009, 07:43:03 AM
Maryville College Midnight Madness Video at: http://www.wbir.com/video/default.aspx?aid=85200&storyid=101958 (http://www.wbir.com/video/default.aspx?aid=85200&storyid=101958)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on October 18, 2009, 10:46:51 PM
I was at the Midnight Madness for the Scots, and I was very impressed.  With the exception of Eryk and Greg, no one stood out, but everyone looked good.  Greg showed his game has matured even more than last year, and Eryk is going to be an all-american.  Williamson, Lambert, Damron, and Willet all looked very good.  There were a few freshman that look to be contributors in 2009-2010.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 21, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
murvul couldn't even get 1 vote for the preseason top 25
maybe these guys will earn it this year
tired of watching them ride the accomplishments of past murvul teams
these guys have got something to prove every time they play
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotfan on October 22, 2009, 01:56:49 PM
There are a couple of new Maryville College players that haven't been discussed on here that will be impact players. They are Brandon McGill, a 6-5 junior from Knoxville, and Felix Torres, a 6-9 freshman from Puerto Rico.

McGill should be ready to contribute from Day 1 because of his skill level and his ability to play the 3 or 4 spot in MC offense. It may take Torres a little longer since Hernandez and Willett are back but Torres could definitely be a force down the road with his size.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCScotsFan on October 24, 2009, 12:23:46 AM
Missed the alumni game. :(

Can't wait for the season to start!  Love MC B-ball!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on October 24, 2009, 08:16:31 PM
Its fine that our boys arent in the top 25 grubb,theyll get their chance the first half the season with methodist, centre, emory, averett, rust, AND GUILFORD(south region games)! I think this years team is the best weve had in 3 or 4 seasons and im saying THE BACK COURT IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY IF NOT THE BEST and i would put the big fellas up there too if there was a little more depth. Hopefully mcgill and mav will provide plenty of it! Greg will have to be patient with the guards filling it up but hell be ready when it comes inside. Having the chance to go play the #3 team in the nation is a helluva opportunity and this might be the wrong team to invite out there if youre guilford but it wont matter if they dont take care of business until then! Cant wait to get the season started. SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 25, 2009, 10:29:49 PM
Jack Roberts would slap THE Jackroberts
youth and enthusiasm are great for young players but not posters on this board.
The scots have something to prove and guilford is their chance to do it and we are not looking for moral victories
maybe guys who can't get past the first round of the NCAA tourney like moral victories but the old guys like results

How is the rest of the gsac looking?  any word on pc, lc, or hc?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 26, 2009, 11:36:31 AM
Brandon McGill is listed as a Junior and his last school listed is Central High.  Where has he been?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotfan on October 26, 2009, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on October 26, 2009, 11:36:31 AM
Brandon McGill is listed as a Junior and his last school listed is Central High.  Where has he been?

He is a transfer...... He played two years of juco ball at Volunteer State.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 26, 2009, 11:32:42 PM
mcgill can play but like every player he will have to pick up quick on learning the lambomotion aka the scots offense

it is complex but he can flat out play at this level
Laverdiere
Lambert
Watson
Williamson
Hernandez

thats how i'd roll if i were RDL but they have got sometime before they have to figure that out

Where is JD?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 27, 2009, 08:07:28 PM
The D3hoops ranking does not really matter. I don't know how a team who brings everyone back from last years NCAA Tournament team does not even receive 1 VOTE forget being ranked in the Top 25!!
  The important thing is to win your conference and South Region games. Rankings is for us the fans. Coach has a very good ball club. Very balanced. NO EXCUSES on not getting out of the first round this year.

I believe if they stay healthy and Williamson fills the 4 spot like I think he could, not a doubt on my mind they have Sweet 16 hopes.

They have a strong 10 guys.. Good luck to the Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 27, 2009, 11:20:14 PM
good to hear from you killer
now that you are back make sure you smite The Jackroberts, he is a mere wanna be compared to the real jack roberts

I wanna hear things from PC, HC, and LC
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 28, 2009, 09:34:50 AM
the real jack roberts is a legend!! Once heard a story he carried Randy on his back from La Grange all the way to Maryville Women adore him!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 28, 2009, 11:15:58 AM
Yo Mr. Grubby!

Is JD missing?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 28, 2009, 05:45:18 PM
OK Grubby one,here is a little taste of PC.I have not seen them yet so I'm not going to give you too much secondhand info.What I do know is they will be a little bigger, a little deeper, and mostly a year older.Thus IMO they should be better.Over.500 should not be out of the question.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on October 30, 2009, 12:57:36 AM
Word on LC, PC, and HC: Should be an interesting battle for 2nd place. SMITE ME ALL MIGHTY SMITER!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 30, 2009, 11:40:14 AM
Stephan Cooper of Blount Today has a preview of the Scots that claims this team is aiming for the Final 4.  Not the GSAC Final 4.  The implied question from RDL is whether they are tough enough.  Too nice, RDL suggests.  Any thoughts from y'all Scotswatchers?

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3215
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on October 30, 2009, 05:22:24 PM
As always RDL has hit it on the head. Mental and physical toughness will get them to their goal. They have the basketball talent and pieces to the puzzle-question is will they be able to put it together. He scheduled to get them there now its up to the players to drive the bus to the final destination. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 30, 2009, 07:54:24 PM
is it safe to say the scots are the preseason number one in the GSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on October 30, 2009, 07:58:07 PM
Great article Stefan and they are exactly right! If Mav and Greg play as if they own the paint and a few of the others get a nasty streak in them then that automatically improves the defense. Mcgill has very nice skills and i think he'll find his niche in that offense. Eryk isnt going to let anything get in his way and if Ben plays with the right positive mentality every game then he will be UNSTOPPABLE! Cant wait for the scots to get rollin this season, a Final Four appearance would not surprise me! They can do it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 01, 2009, 03:03:59 PM
matt grubb, it is safe to say  :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 01, 2009, 11:07:55 PM
79.4 percent winning percentage in the 2000's for the scots

would be at least 80 percent if it had not been for bowers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 04, 2009, 08:59:09 AM
Nice write up on Piedmont.http://www.d3hoops.com/preview.php?school=Piedmont&team=m
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 04, 2009, 01:33:15 PM
The Scots had an excellent scrimmage last night against Tusculum, the number sixth ranked team in D2.  Everyone looked like it was a preseason game, but what I liked was the hard work and intense defense.  Lambert, Watson, nor Damron really made many three point shots, but that is not that big of a deal.  Williamson looked pretty, good and I am glad he is back on the court.  The Scots won 2 of the three 20 minute periods.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 04, 2009, 08:27:05 PM
spencer
would the scots have won 3 of 3 last night if you had suited up?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on November 05, 2009, 08:09:57 AM
Great job by the scots last night-tc is overrated they are not #6 possibly a 17-20 is more appropriate-they were not even picked to win their league and its not a strong league-scots will probably whip up on cn again this year-would have one 3 of 3 with the grubby one out there
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2009, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: bballlover on November 04, 2009, 08:59:09 AM
Nice write up on Piedmont.http://www.d3hoops.com/preview.php?school=Piedmont&team=m

Thanks for the heads up ... I hadn't seen that.

I have had the opportunity to see the guys twice, one practice and one scrimmage.

Under the category of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing  ... here are a few random thoughts:

*  They do seem to be improved in the areas of depth and overall athleticism.  PC has always had an abundance of wings/guards ... but this year I count at least 6 capable guys you can play at the 4 or 5 spots.

*  BTW, I would have loved to have had just a couple of those bigs on the 07-08 team.  Interesting aside ... that 07-08 team was the smallest team in the history of the NCAA to finish with a winning record.  (I made that up, but I think it's probably true) Six foot, 150 lb Wesley (The Beast) Parker was the 2nd leading rebounder on that team, at 4.2 rpg ... followed by Jake Green with 3.1 rpg.  I'm sure all true gsac fans will recall what an imposing physical specimen he was.  I am still amazed that gutty bunch figured out a way to win 14 games.  But I digress ... hey, it comes with the territory when you are an "old" Lion.

*  The return of Josh Chapman, who went down with an injury after only 4 games last year, is going to be a big addition.

*  Justin Rush not returning is going to hurt.  IMHO, by the end of last season, he was the 3rd best player on the team ... and maybe the best all-around offensive player.  I have no idea what the story is, but it is a shame we weren't able to keep that kid.  Guys with lots of potential not completing their eligibility ... that has happened too often over the last few years.

*   I think the ability to shoot from the outside is going to be a key.  Losing Rush hurt.  If we don't get Coppage back, and at full speed soon, we could be in deep do.

*   If outside shooting is a concern, we need to figure out how to get Dee Smith on the floor.  He is a big wing who can stroke it ... looks like a good passer too.  Looks like he's carrying a few extra pounds, so maybe conditioning has been a factor. So ... if he's not in tip-top shape, put out him out there for only short stretches ... someone is going to have to score from outside.

*   Developing the young big men (an area that I feel has not been a strength in the past) is going to be key to long term success.  We were fortunate to get Herebia to replace Baldwin, but he only has one more year.

*   I hope we figure out some ways to, at least occasionally, play a small forward at the 3 spot ... as opposed to always having at least 3 guards on the floor.

*   They appear to have great attitudes and good chemistry.  If they can establish their rotations and jell into an effective TEAM early ... they could be much improved.  Again, having Coppage back at full speed is going to be critical.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 06, 2009, 11:34:05 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 30, 2009, 07:54:24 PM
is it safe to say the scots are the preseason number one in the GSAC?

Careful now Grubby one ... don't go out on a limb.   :)

Yeah, I think it's safe to say.  I think that, on paper at least, this Murvul team looks like more of a runaway preseason gsac favorite than any team I can remember.  Their returning talent and experience, particularly on the perimeter is very impressive ... nothing wrong with the big guys either.

And, if a couple of the newcomers are impact players, as well ... I'm glad my pay check isn't dependent on beating them.

But, if a fight breaks out, don't bet against the Hawks.  Look at this roster ...
http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/roster
I'd like to hear Pugh's recruiting pitch.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on November 07, 2009, 01:36:25 AM
I would like to congratulate E (Eryk Watson) for being chosen as a preseason All-American. I know hes worked hard in the off season so hopefuly he'll be on that team when the season ends and i wouldnt be surprised at all to see Greg or another Scot on one of the All-American or All-Region teams in March! They'll certainly have the opportunities with the high profile South Region games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 07, 2009, 06:28:10 PM
scots gotta beat guilford, not matter what

If they want any love from my facebook friend pat coleman

congrats to Eryk and i agree if the scots do what they are capable of you will see more than one getting all region honors
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 09, 2009, 09:12:17 PM
The team looks ready to show that they are ready for the quakers and any other south region opponent. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 10, 2009, 10:32:22 AM
Did someone make Coach Haynes mad? Thought we would have heard from him.Game time is getting near I guess everyone is pumped.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 11, 2009, 10:37:03 PM
coach haynes is the man

BTW, there has been a large underground movement to start a jordan damron fan club.
I have been keeping the details a secret as i am only a consultant to the group, not a member.  let me emphasize that the grubby one is not a member yet.  But i have been consulting them on their website and the info they have gathered.  i will let you all know when they go public.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 13, 2009, 11:34:44 AM
Went by practice on Wednesday and the Scots look ready for a nice post season run. 10 deep and with decent size.
No competition in the GSAC!! From what I observed I believe only thing lacking is "WE NEED A LITTLE MORE NASTY"

I like this team. Very similiar to our 03-04 team that made it to the Sweet 16!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 14, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
While everyone seems to agree on MC being a very good team this year, let's hold off a little bit.  With the first game coming up tomorrow, I will learn a lot about my Scots.  Hopefully they show me nothing but good things.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 15, 2009, 11:08:51 AM
The Grubby One will be in attendance at the game today.  The wife gave me a hall pass for regulation so the scots better take care of business as my hall pass does not include overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 15, 2009, 06:05:10 PM
Wow!  Murvul puts up 94 with Jordan and Wes going 2 of 16 from the field.  Scots are loaded.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/MCMBKBvsMethodist.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 15, 2009, 06:50:39 PM
the scots did not get much competition out of the monarchs today
they did not shoot well but Greg looked dominate on the inside
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 16, 2009, 08:43:24 AM
The killer was in attendance with two Great Scots to his side. Mr.Sidney Ellis and the Grubby one providing play by play analysis. Methodist was not a match but did have a post player who was pretty dang good!

Th 09-10 Scots are very similar to the Sweet 16 team 0f 03-04. Only thing missing a mean streak on defense!! They are very talented. They shot terrible and almost won  by 50!!

GSAC competition will be a breeze like it has been for years now! Just have to win those South Region Games.

By the way the MC Scotty dance team is much improved.. Tom Robinson would appreciate that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 16, 2009, 10:12:48 AM
The depth of the Scots is very impressive.  This may be the deepest team in a while in Maryville.  Bring Lambert, Damron, McGill, and Willet off the bench is a very excellent change of pace from the starters.  Eryk drove well to the basket at times, but he has to knock down the jumpers if he is going to live up to the hype.  MC will have their first test at Centre on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 16, 2009, 04:10:02 PM
lambert's article about all americans is incorrect
matt ennen was a preseason all american according to street and smith back in 01-02

the grubby one has spoken and that word is beyond contestation

Grubby One out
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on November 18, 2009, 11:05:50 AM
HUGE game today on the road for Maryville! The boys know this is the first test of the season and i don't think they will disappoint. Also, im sure payback is on their minds from last season when Centre came to Maryville and won with a buzzerbeater! I dont see jared, E, and Greg letting this one get away!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 18, 2009, 12:30:22 PM
The Scots are a year older and a year wiser.  They will not let this season be another mediocre season without several quality road and home victories.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 18, 2009, 09:59:03 PM
Impressive display of basketball from the Scots tonight in Danville. They kept the pedal to the metal all night long.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 18, 2009, 10:53:39 PM
1 big road win for the scots
Centre is never an easy place to play, ever
and it sounds like it was a close game
Good win for the scots, i will admit i didnt think they would get it
I know the killer is proud
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on November 19, 2009, 07:33:46 AM
NICE WIN!! Tough place to play. Watts maybe will get 1 vote for the TOP 25. Scots don't get much respect on d3hoops!!

Game by game they will prove how good of a team they really are. Keep it up
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on November 19, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
Solid win SCOTS! Congrats to Greg for another great game and a nice free-throw performance down the stretch it seems like. I predict the Scots keep the ball rolling this weekend in the Jimmy Campbell Memorial classic only i think this weekend the Scots get everything rolling and start knocking down shots and if that happens lookout! Keep dominating the paint Greg and good luck this weekend guys!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 19, 2009, 01:19:48 PM
Amazing ... Murvul is off to a strong start despite Watson, Damron, Williamson, and Lambert shooting a combined 4 for 29 from behind the arc.  You know that trend isn't going to continue.

Seems Hernandez intends to be POY in the gsac this year.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/MCMSeasonStats2-0.pdf


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 19, 2009, 02:14:10 PM
In a game of interest to some of us DIII newcomers Berry & Covenant squared off Monday night in Rome with Berry coming out on top 79-60.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 19, 2009, 03:45:52 PM
As other have said, I find it a positive sign that despite a poor 3-point percentage, the scots are still winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 19, 2009, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on November 19, 2009, 03:45:52 PM
As other have said, I find it a positive sign that despite a poor 3-point percentage, the scots are still winning.

Other ... other?  I'm hurt, Spence ... I thought we were closer than that ...   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 19, 2009, 11:31:12 PM
Berry and Covenant will be nice additions to D3 and i did notice as my wife used to live in Rome and i am familiar with Berry

Shots will come and the scots will grow.  I know the voters for the top 25 do the best they can, i personally feel they missed the scots this year in the preseason top 25 based on this criteria
1. They went to the tourney last year and returned everybody
2. They have a preseason all american
3. They are the scots and one of the top 25 teams in the country

With that said, there are a lot of D3 teams out there and if they got 24/25 in the preseason top 25 correct, I would like to go to vegas with that crew and make some real money.  So this is my open invitation to all of the voters in the top 25, if you wanna roll out to vegas for a guys weekend holla at the grubby one cause you all do a pretty dang good job seeing the future.  I know they will give the scots some votes next week too.

Old Lion, you gotta recruit some other pc faithfuls for this and this year it is my goal to get a devoted HC fan on here.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 19, 2009, 11:59:27 PM
Looks like I stayed on football too long  8)

Here's the round up so far from MDT

Preseason: (And while it only mentions 2 All-Americans, we stuck with the most recent ones)
http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20091115/SPORTS/311129963/-1/RSS10&rssfeed=RSS10 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20091115/SPORTS/311129963/-1/RSS10&rssfeed=RSS10)

Methodist win
http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20091116/SPORTS/311169971/-1/RSS10&rssfeed=RSS10 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20091116/SPORTS/311169971/-1/RSS10&rssfeed=RSS10)

The team has the pieces to do well if they get them put together. Think they made coach Lambert's point for him the first two games winning on defense and post play rather than shooting the lights out. But it's going to take a great season to get a decent tourney draw so keep it realistic till Feb.

hmmm that may be too much for some, so at least till middle of Jan. ;D

I think from what I've seen so far, Eryk's noteriety is working for Greg as people are working him so hard that the help defense isn't there  inside. Greg's got the skills and I like his range on the short j that its going to be tough unless you either have 1) a great big guy defender, 2) have four bruise brothers to push and beat on him in rotation and make him hit the foul shots to score (which I dont see as an effective plan with him really) or 3)bring your help quicker to the inside which leaves the 2 or 3 open outside for a toss out.




Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 20, 2009, 12:01:25 AM
BTW anybody notice the Methodist Guilford score?


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 20, 2009, 09:14:59 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 19, 2009, 11:31:12 PM
Old Lion, you gotta recruit some other pc faithfuls for this and this year it is my goal to get a devoted HC fan on here.

Grubby One,

bballover is your man ... I no longer have my finger on the pulse of the program.

I still pull for our guys, of course ... but my fanaticism (and close connection with several of the players) ended after the 07-08 season.

I do agree with your basic premise, however.  It would be nice to have folks from all the gsac schools giving us posts loaded with info and insights into the teams.

Here comes an old man comment ... The board is not as good (filled with insightful, or at least interesting, posts) as it was back in the day.  I miss Wilburt.   :(
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 20, 2009, 09:53:05 AM
bard
i noticed the 19 point victory by guilford but lets not lean on common opponents yet
The scots are a top 15 team in D3 talent wise from what i have seen in 13 years of watching D3 ball.  They are well coached as well.  They are still going to have to beat guilford b/c i guarantee GC isn't going to give the game away.

Old Lion, I miss wilburt as well.  Maybe we can get the big dog back on here.

Looking forward to seeing Bunch back in murvul this weekend.  Too bad he is going to have to drive back to St. Louis with an L from the scots but that is the way it goes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 20, 2009, 11:31:09 AM
Piedmont suffered an unexpected loss last night.To borrow lyrics from an old familiar tune, The Lions have " A long way to go and a short time to get there".Right now they are just having a hard time finding ways to score.The good thing is, it's still early.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 20, 2009, 11:47:54 PM
we need PC to get some unexpected victories
The grubby one has 3 suggestions
1. Start recruiting the killers kids in gatlinburg
2. Pay players from atlanta to come to Habersham county and fudge their transcripts and/or eligibility
3. Hire the grubby one as a consultant and/or assistant coach

That is a no nonsense recipe for success
the killer has a very good high school team with kids who will know how to win
its D3, the ncaa does not investigate that thoroughly
The grubby one knows not only Randy's weaknesses but wallace's too, any team with the grubby one as a resource could beat the scots.  that knowledge is for sale, so coach haynes if you read this, it is up for bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 09:19:33 AM
Quote from: bballlover on November 19, 2009, 02:14:10 PM
In a game of interest to some of us DIII newcomers Berry & Covenant squared off Monday night in Rome with Berry coming out on top 79-60.
+1!  Thanks for finding that score.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 21, 2009, 10:43:36 PM
Scots won tonight against Webster but played like they had been reading too much about how good they are.  Watson is trying to do too much and needs to let the game happen.  As RDL said, their own heads are their biggest challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 21, 2009, 10:50:11 PM
The team did not look up to par tonight.  They had 15 turnovers in the first half and looked nervous on the ball.  We rarely looked into the post and back out for an open 3.  The second half improved thanks to a few plays that sparked some enthusiasm.  Ben Williamson is a beast on the boards.  Eryk will settle down and the three point specialists will start doing what they do.  I am not too worried about the whole situation. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2009, 05:50:01 PM
Good win for Maryville against Wabash...

The Livestats stopped at 86-79 with 0:06 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 22, 2009, 07:29:27 PM
MC got a wake up call after a first half drumming from Wabash.  They stepped it up in the second half with efforts from Wes, Jordan, Greg, and Brandon.  This win will teach the Scots that winning isn't a sure thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2009, 08:14:31 PM
yea they looked like young guys.  they think they are better than they are.  Wabash was a typical team from their area, tough, intense, well coached, and well structured.  They were in maryville and the scots don't lose at home.  The scots don't win that game if it is played at wabash or even maybe a neutral floor, but it wasnt.  Good win, hopefully they will learn the lessons from this victory and always take the fight to their opponents in future games.

The Jordan Damron Fan Club was very pleased with his effort except when he seemed to trip over half court and hand the ball to wabash with about a minute left.  Very un JD like.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 23, 2009, 10:33:22 AM
Hey guys don't we get a first hand report on LaGrange.I know they lost both games but tell us more.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 24, 2009, 06:16:43 PM
didn't get a chance to see lagrange, too much stuff going on but webster was a decent team and lc seems to be on par with them
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 25, 2009, 09:25:45 AM
The Lions thumped Covenant last night 106-57.It was one of those nights when the stars lined up and everything went right.Covenant has a new coach and I am told many new players.It might take them awhile.They do have good size and a few shooters so only time will tell.As for Piedmont they had 5 players score in double figures.Rubio had a big first half & Chatman had a nice game.Maybe they have found ways to score after all.They play this weekend at Methodist & Greenboro & will need to play well if they have any chance of winning on the road. HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2009, 09:18:48 PM
nice i hope pc pulls a couple of victories this weekend
happy thanksgiving everybody
even the HC fans
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on November 28, 2009, 08:30:26 PM
Good win today for the scots over Emory.  Anyone have any details on the game?  I heard that Eryk had a good game, but Jordan had zero points.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: REV. on November 29, 2009, 11:22:46 AM
Eryk played well especially in the 2nd half. He and Wes both hit some key 3-pointers down the stretch. Greg gave another solid performance with 26 and ten. He seemed to hurt his back again, and should probably think about watching his mouth especially in a small and quite place like Lagrange.

Both teams played pretty hard, the scots' effort was pretty consistent throughout the game unlike last weekend up in Murvul. Emory is smart and well coached. They made the scots use their brains the entire game on both ends of the floor. All in all I would say a good win, the Maryville players should have learned yesterday just how important communication is to be successful.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 29, 2009, 11:53:49 PM
Apparently without Greg the Scots are not wonderful.  Anybody know how hurt he is?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2009, 09:25:40 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 29, 2009, 11:53:49 PM
Apparently without Greg the Scots are not wonderful.  Anybody know how hurt he is?

Greg is off to a great start ... I hope it is something minor, and he'll be back soon.

I still can't believe that a team that just lost to LaGrange, could turn around and beat Murvul.  RDL's teams always have a lot of depth, and I didn't think this team was an exception.  I remember Willet from last year ... and he is certainly no slouch.  Oglethorpe only has one really solid big guy, Ward.  I would have thought Murvul would have still been able to match up fine with them.  Strange ...

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/MCMvsOUBox_1.pdf

http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/MensBasketball/1128oum.htm

And UGA beats Tech at home ... this w/e was full of reminders as to why I don't bet on games.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 30, 2009, 10:20:20 AM
"I still can't believe that a team that just lost to LaGrange, could turn around and beat Murvul."

Not real sure how to take that...I guess with a teaspoon of sugar to make go down easier, uhh.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2009, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 30, 2009, 10:20:20 AM
"I still can't believe that a team that just lost to LaGrange, could turn around and beat Murvul."

Not real sure how to take that...I guess with a teaspoon of sugar to make go down easier, uhh.

Sorry, Coach H ... my intent wasn't to be insulting.  I would have thought the same thing about the other two gsac schools.  We all know that, with rare exceptions,  Murvul is the clear leader of the pack in the gsac ... I was, still am, under the impression that is the case this year even more so than usual.

Congrats on a big win over what s/b a strong OU team.  All their starters are back from last year, right?



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 30, 2009, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 30, 2009, 10:53:55 AM

Congrats on a big win over what s/b a strong OU team.  All their starters are back from last year, right?


The Petrels returned all 5 starters but have been with the services of David Allison (starting PG and Honorable Mention all conference last year.) You can tell they're definitely missing him as Joe Kennedy has taken on more of the PG role.

Once he's back after Christmas this team should really gel... hopefully they're able to work on those free throws too  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2009, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on November 30, 2009, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 30, 2009, 10:53:55 AM

Congrats on a big win over what s/b a strong OU team.  All their starters are back from last year, right?


The Petrels returned all 5 starters but have been with the services of David Allison  (starting PG and Honorable Mention all conference last year.) You can tell they're definitely missing him as Joe Kennedy has taken on more of the PG role.

Once he's back after Christmas this team should really gel... hopefully they're able to work on those free throws too  ???

I remember him well ... good player.  What happened?

Missing a good PG can be a synergy thing ... his loss can hurt more than another equally good, or even better, player.  Impressive that you guys could beat Murvul w/o him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 30, 2009, 05:20:46 PM
Some sort of ankle injury I believe... but don't hold me to it.

I too was impressed with the win... especially after they lost to LaGrange the night before.  I think Murvul was absent of their big post player Hernandez if I was looking at the live stats correctly.  OU and Murvul have had some really tight and competitive games the past few years.  It could be that the Petrels were looking past a LaGrange team that they have dominated recently expecting to coast to a win.  In all honesty if they shoot a respectable percentage from the charity stripe (and during the Emory game for that matter) this team is 4-0. 

Now I'm not making any excuses but it looks like they finally played a complete game against the Scots and I'm sure when Allison returns the team will start to live up to it's preseason expectations.  I'm sure the Scot will be fine as well...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on November 30, 2009, 05:21:14 PM
Can the Scots make it 3 in a row over the D2 eagles? They have won 3 of last 4 and 2 in a row-will probably need a healthy Hernandez to do so-GO SCOTS!! Grubby one will you be there?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2009, 08:25:13 PM
The grubby one will be there
The scots should be favored in this game
even though CN is D2 and their talent level is a little higher
MC is much better coached
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 30, 2009, 11:46:08 PM
So is it a state secret whether Greg is ok? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 01, 2009, 09:58:47 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 30, 2009, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 30, 2009, 10:20:20 AM
"I still can't believe that a team that just lost to LaGrange, could turn around and beat Murvul."

Not real sure how to take that...I guess with a teaspoon of sugar to make go down easier, uhh.

Sorry, Coach H ... my intent wasn't to be insulting.  I would have thought the same thing about the other two gsac schools.  We all know that, with rare exceptions,  Murvul is the clear leader of the pack in the gsac ... I was, still am, under the impression that is the case this year even more so than usual.

Congrats on a big win over what s/b a strong OU team.  All their starters are back from last year, right?


PC at OU tomorrow night.  I wonder which OU team we'll get ... the one that beat MC, or the one that lost to LC?

Upon further reflection on LaGrange's win over OU ... it had to have been the result of the cunning strategery of Coach Haynes ... although the steady guard play of a couple of Gwinnett County alums could also have been a key factor.

OK Coach H, have I sucked up enough to get out of your dog house yet?   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 01, 2009, 10:48:59 AM
Sorry for the delay on my report from The Lions weekend. I am not as young as I once was and had to take Monday off to recover.As some of know PC split two game in North Carolina last weekend.They were able to beat Methodist on Saturday by coming out in the second half with 15 strong minutes.MU was able to claw back in the last 5 to make it close.They lost a heartbreaker Sunday to Greensboro in a game that went back and forth.They are still plagued by inconsistency.Oglethorpe is Wednesday and they seem to be having the same problem.Should be interesting
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on December 01, 2009, 11:12:43 AM
Will there be a family reunion in the house with Lambert, Walsh and Watts on Wednesday-sounds like a good time for a photo op. Go scots and I hope Greg is healthy enough to give RDL the inside presence needed to open up his shooters
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 01, 2009, 12:16:49 PM
talk about a good looking family, i bet jennifer anniston would show up to see the three of us together, if we were still talking to her but i had to cut her off.  3 of her exboyfriends in the same place at the same time.

Anyway, i am excited about their chances to beat CN this year.  Greg is a gamer and will be ready.  That kid has the drive.  i dont know his medical condition, but you wait and see.  I look for Jordan Damron to blow up in this game as he likes the big stages.  The place will be packed and it is a chance to beat a D2 team.

JD's fan club may be in attendance 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2009, 05:02:14 PM
It's official. (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/division+iii/provisional+member+covenant+joins+gsac_12_01_09_ncaa_news)

Welcome to Covenant.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on December 01, 2009, 06:08:35 PM
I cant wait for the game tomorrow night, its always one of the most anticipated games by the players! You can bet the Scots will be fired up, the last time CN visited Boydson Baird they took a BEATING! It looks like CN has several new players making an impact including the highly recruited big man from Oak Ridge who spent a year at App St. Regarding Greg, word is he has a tender ankle but is doing everything possible to be ready to go Wed. night but we all know ankles dont heal in 3 days especially The Grubby Ones' after battling me in the alumni game! But honestly i would be surprised if Greg didnt give it a shot with there not being another game for 10 days after tommorow night. ! think if Greg can can some adrenaline going early it takes away most the pain and he sucks it up. GET IT DONE SCOTS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2009, 11:09:36 AM
The Grubby One is a pro and could never be beaten by THE jackroberts.

if greg doesn't play the scots are gonna have an uphill battle tonight, but if he does the scots should be favored by 15.

Welcome Covenant, you are now the fake scots of the GSAC

Go Scots!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 02, 2009, 11:26:17 AM
Covenant must like the GSAC. Pick up first win.http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_164074.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2009, 05:42:22 PM
the grubby one will be serving beers in the parking lot before the game so look me up

THE jackroberts it is your job to clean up all the empties, 1st rounder
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2009, 11:07:15 PM
The Grubby One is wondering why he gets so excited about the CN v Murvul game every year.  Probably b/c CN would not play Murvul when the grubby one played for Murvul.  But after tonight, the Grubby One realized, that as long as Dale Clayton is on the sideline for CN and Kendal Wallace is on the sideline for MC that CN has no chance of even making it a close game.

So the Grubby One would like to reiterate his point:

KENDAL WALLACE:  MAKER OF ME, DISCIPLE OF DEFENSE
AMEN
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 02, 2009, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 01, 2009, 09:58:47 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 30, 2009, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on November 30, 2009, 10:20:20 AM
"I still can't believe that a team that just lost to LaGrange, could turn around and beat Murvul."

Not real sure how to take that...I guess with a teaspoon of sugar to make go down easier, uhh.

Sorry, Coach H ... my intent wasn't to be insulting.  I would have thought the same thing about the other two gsac schools.  We all know that, with rare exceptions,  Murvul is the clear leader of the pack in the gsac ... I was, still am, under the impression that is the case this year even more so than usual.

Congrats on a big win over what s/b a strong OU team.  All their starters are back from last year, right?


PC at OU tomorrow night.  I wonder which OU team we'll get ... the one that beat MC, or the one that lost to LC?

Upon further reflection on LaGrange's win over OU ... it had to have been the result of the cunning strategery of Coach Haynes ... although the steady guard play of a couple of Gwinnett County alums could also have been a key factor.

OK Coach H, have I sucked up enough to get out of your dog house yet?   :D

Coach Haynes,

I stand corrected  ... apparently the gsac is approaching parity.  (Sorry, I have been drinking.) But seriously folks, PC did prevail tonight in a hard fought contest (by 3, I think) ... it sure is nice to have Sam back ... I believe he scored our last 5 points.  I was impressed with the overall team effort, good depth, and rebounding (that's right, I said rebounding) from PC.  Ricks gave us a nice defensive/toughness lift off the bench.  May have more details tomorrow, when I've recovered from my irrational exhuberance.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 03, 2009, 12:13:31 AM
First half against Carson Newman was as good as I have seen the Scots play in a long time, especially on defense.  If they can repeat that regularly, they will be real good.  Mr. Grubby is right.

Which Oglethorpe team showed up against the Lions?     
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 03, 2009, 12:55:33 AM
An easy win after a great first half against a Carson-Newman team that looked as disjointed as a college basketball team could possibly be.  I don't know if it was stifling defense or just poor execution but the eagles had 20 points and 20 turnovers at the half.  Glad to see Gregg back on the court and looking close to 100% after a nasty ankle injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 03, 2009, 07:49:45 AM
Don't let anyone fool you.He may not have a dog in the hunt & he might have slowed down a half step due to wear & tear on his body but he still likes to get "into" a good game. Always good to see you old_lion.............. As for the game ,it was close all night.Neither team with more than a six point lead.It might not have been their best but it was pretty doggone good.PC was able to execute in the last two minutes & the shots went down. GO LIONS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 03, 2009, 09:21:32 AM
Quote from: bballlover on December 03, 2009, 07:49:45 AM
He may not have a dog in the hunt & he might have slowed down a half step due to wear & tear on his body but he still likes to get "into" a good game.

I have noticed that since I "no longer have a dog in the hunt", the officials don't tend to make as many glaring errors as they used to.   :o

However, there are still times that I find them badly in need of my guidance.  :)

It was good to see you all, as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 03, 2009, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 03, 2009, 12:13:31 AM
First half against Carson Newman was as good as I have seen the Scots play in a long time, especially on defense.  If they can repeat that regularly, they will be real good.  Mr. Grubby is right.

Which Oglethorpe team showed up against the Lions?     

Apparently the same one that took on Lagrange...  but I only say that because we lost. 

Stats looked decent... they didn't shoot 33% from the charity stripe but 68% won't get the job done either.  Teams were almost even on every other stat line except Piedmont controlled the boards (37-28) w/ 12 offensive rebounds.  From what I remember about past Piedmont teams they were never really on the tall end.  I wasn't at the game last night but that stat seems to jump out at me.  Looks like they're in need of Allison to return ASAP.

Here's the link to the LiveStats... it should have this game until they reset it for the next one.

http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/live_stats/basketball/mens/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 03, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
I don't want to be the one to argue but, I think you will find that all of OU's shooting percentages were better last night than last years totals.Free throw, field goal, and 3pt. fg.. I think they played pretty good.But then that is the only time I have seen them play.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 03, 2009, 04:34:54 PM
The Grubby One is so proud of LC and PC for beating OU when murvul could not. The Grubby One would like to see some competitive GSAC games this year but unfortunately if the scots play the way they did last night then no GSAC school will be within 20 pts.
All GSAC talk will not include the scot (murvul) and the fake scots (covenant).
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on December 03, 2009, 04:48:21 PM
The Scots put on a clinic in the first half on defense-offense started out good but cooled off considerably and was non existant for most of second half-RDL will clean that up come conference time. Good win but lets call it like it is-C-N was terrible-I would say they were not and will not be one of the top teams MC has or will face. Saw part of ladies game Coach Wright had them playing well-MC alum Walsh did not look like a happy camper-he has an athletic team which should make coach wright feel good about the possibility of going deep in the ncaa's. How is the injured girl for MC? Grubby one did you have your reunion last night with your family? Was Jennifer in attendance?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 03, 2009, 11:04:21 PM
Jennifer, no it hurts too much for her, she is still a little bitter how i broke up with her via text message, it happens

I did have a blast last night with Dad and Grandpa.

Dean Walsh is a class act and is doing a great job at CN.  He comes from good stock.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 04, 2009, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: old_lion on December 02, 2009, 11:10:41 PM
I stand corrected  ... apparently the gsac is approaching parity.  (Sorry, I have been drinking.) But seriously folks, PC did prevail tonight in a hard fought contest (by 3, I think) ... it sure is nice to have Sam back ... I believe he scored our last 5 points.  I was impressed with the overall team effort, good depth, and rebounding (that's right, I said rebounding) from PC.  Ricks gave us a nice defensive/toughness lift off the bench.  May have more details tomorrow, when I've recovered from my irrational exhuberance.  :o

A few details ...

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2009/12/2/MBB_1202094651.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 04, 2009, 10:45:42 AM
Great to see sammy doing well, just don't beat the scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on December 04, 2009, 12:27:46 PM
Top 25 this week:

Maryville once again does not even receive votes!! Granted we did lose to Oglethorpe but without our best player!!! We beat Centre and they got votes(4)..

Hopefully some of the Scots can see this as a sign of disrespect. This question is for Old Lion: Since you are the stat guru: How many teams have been to the NCAA tournament more than 8 consecutive years?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: REV. on December 04, 2009, 04:42:35 PM
Could someone explain to me how Sam Coppage got a 5th year of eligibility? He played at MC for a year and a half (quit early in his second season as I understand it but still played in games that year so it counts) and then he has played two years at Piedmont. So this would be his 5th year, just wondering if there is some new rule that I was not aware of.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2009, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: REV. on December 04, 2009, 04:42:35 PM
Could someone explain to me how Sam Coppage got a 5th year of eligibility? He played at MC for a year and a half (quit early in his second season as I understand it but still played in games that year so it counts) and then he has played two years at Piedmont. So this would be his 5th year, just wondering if there is some new rule that I was not aware of.

The NCAA rule is, once you enter school, you have 5 yrs to complete 4 yrs of eligibility.

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careerplayer

(For some reason, links to this site often don't work ... but if it gives you the system error page, just click on "click here" and it will take you back to the page where you can put in Sam's name and see the details.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on December 04, 2009, 12:27:46 PM
Hopefully some of the Scots can see this as a sign of disrespect. This question is for Old Lion: Since you are the stat guru: How many teams have been to the NCAA tournament more than 8 consecutive years?

Sorry Killer, that's not the type of stat I follow.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 05, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
Hey Old_Lion:  How about how many teams led by point guards have been to the NCAA tournament more than eight consecutive years? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2009, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 05, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
Hey Old_Lion:  How about how many teams led by point guards have been to the NCAA tournament more than eight consecutive years? :)

As I said, I don't know how many teams have been 8 consecutive years.  But, if you'll come up with that answer ... then Killer or I either one can answer your question.

They were all led by point guards.   8)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2009, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: old_lion on December 05, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on December 04, 2009, 12:27:46 PM
This question is for Old Lion: Since you are the stat guru: How many teams have been to the NCAA tournament more than 8 consecutive years?

Sorry Killer, that's not the type of stat I follow.

ANSWER:

Bo Ryan was the head coach at the University of Wisconsin–Platteville from 1984 until 1999. His Wisconsin-Platteville teams posted a 352–76 overall record, a winning percentage of 82%. Ryan guided the UW–Platteville Pioneers to four NCAA Division III national championships (1991, 1995, 1998, 1999). From 1991 through 1999 UW-Platteville had nine (9) consecutive NCAA tourney bids. He also won eight (8)Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference championships.

Also, check out the North Park University teams from the 1970s and 1980s.  Between 1978 and 1987 they won five NCAA Division III national championships within a 10 year period.  They may have likely been to the tourney more than 8 times in a row during that period as well. 

Maryville may be the only team to have ever gone the NCAA Division III tourney 8 times in a row and not to have won at least one National Championship! 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2009, 01:41:10 PM
FOLLOWUP AND CORRECTION TO MY ANSWER:

Potsdam State went to the NCAA tourney 13 years in a row 1978 - 1990.
Potsdam State won National titles in 1981 and 1986 and was National Runner-up in 1979, 1982 and 1985.

Clark (Mass) went to the NCAA tourney 11 years in a row 1978 -1988.
Clark (Mass) was the National Runner Up in 1984 and 1987.  

North Park did not make it to the NCAA tourney at least 8 years in a row between 1978 and 1987 as I had orginally thought.

I stand corrected about my statement regarding Maryville.  They are the ONLY team to make the NCAA tourney at least 8 times in a row to have NEVER played in a NCAA Division III National Championship Game!  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 06, 2009, 04:06:41 PM
Keep up the good work sam, i always admire the guys who find a way to spend more than 4 years in college b/c it is one of the best times of your life and the girls don't get better looking so enjoy.  

BTW, after the killer got to murvul sidney ellis became an all american and if not for the killer holding him down he would have been a 1st team all american.  PG's are overrated, they always want the glory for the other guys getting their hands dirty in and around the paint.  Shooting Guards are where its at.  they can handle the rock, shoot the 3, penetrate, and even rebound if necessary.  Also, shooting guards are the right size, they are tall enough for people to think of you as a bball player but not freak size like forwards.  PG's are small with tiny little hands.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 06, 2009, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 06, 2009, 04:06:41 PM
Shooting Guards are where its at.  

Refresh my memory, Grubby One   Back before you started that inevitable journey towards being an Old Scot, what position did you play?    :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 07, 2009, 02:48:58 PM
In my mind, I could do it all.  But i was primarily known as shooter.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 11, 2009, 10:37:03 AM
Sounds like it was a pretty good effort for the DIII Lions Vs. The DI Bears.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/index.aspx?tab=basketball&path=mbball

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/schedule?teamId=2382
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 12, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
The Scots had a solid victory over Rust today.  After a shaky start, Old Greg and the boys took care of business.  The next couple of games will determine the kind of season they will end up with.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on December 14, 2009, 11:10:49 PM
Down goes Averett, though perhaps not as good as the typical AU team (1-6). next up No. 7 Guilford.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 15, 2009, 08:37:49 AM
With Ferrum coming to Demorest this afternoon The Lions need a win to end 2009 on a good note.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on December 15, 2009, 09:26:30 AM
Good effort on road with MAJOR test up next. RDL WILL have them ready-got to find a way to get Eryk more consistant and Wes on track-this will only make the Scots even tougher to deal with-McGill brings alot of effort ,energy , and athleticism-could be the "x" factor against Guilford
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 15, 2009, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: bballlover on December 15, 2009, 08:37:49 AM
With Ferrum coming to Demorest this afternoon The Lions need a win to end 2009 on a good note.

They need to pick up a win today.  They seem to be jelling, playing with more consistency lately.  As Sam works himself back into playing shape and gradually ups his minutes, that has to help.  

Mike Chatman was forced into the starting PG spot with Sam out the first two games ... and has been playing very well.  IMHO, Sam and Mike are two of our top players.  The good news is, they are both versatile and can play the wing, as well as the point.  I think that gives Coach Glenn a lot of options.  As he figures out ways to get them on the floor together more, we should become more formidable.

I like our depth.  We can easily go at least 10 deep. A couple of the new guys, Arnold and Ricks, are coming on ... and our veteran core, Herebia, Rubio, et al. are playing well.  IMHO, we have to get J. C. a few more touches per game.  He is crafty around the basket, has a nice touch, and can find the open guy when doubled.

Go Lions.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 15, 2009, 04:38:29 PM
where has THE Jackroberts been???

I think no matter how many posts he puts on here, it will always say Junior Varsity under his name.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on December 15, 2009, 11:16:21 PM
Its funny how the grubby one drops this trash talk on me when theres not a court around to settle things! And he even knows hes not in the same shape as i am. I run 5 miles 3 times a week and 5 more when the scots are practicing on the road trip   ;D Grubby is also jealous of my position on the all decade team  8) Getting down to business...I hope the Scots are ready to get in Guilford's A$$ tomorrow night come tip-off! This is a great opportunity to get thier foot in the door and make some noise the first half the season. If Greg continues to play as if he owns the paint hell be fine and if E just lets the game come to him then you could see an All American performance. Laverdiere should be solid and if my boys JD and Wes are knockin em down it could be a very merry christmas for Lambo and Co.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 16, 2009, 11:21:16 AM
What a JV post by THE Jackroberts.

I would like to think that JD will have a break out performance tonight as he knows it is a big game.  He likes the spotlight.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 16, 2009, 07:25:01 PM
the scots are not playing any defense at guilford right now
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 16, 2009, 07:40:03 PM
36 to 27 GC at the half and the scots look awful
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 16, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 16, 2009, 07:40:03 PM
36 to 27 GC at the half and the scots look awful
Hey, Matt.  I attended the Guilford/Maryville game tonight in Greensboro.  The Quakers took the second half 46-26 to complete an 82-53 win.  Sanborn and Henson led the way for GC, with 20 (17 rebounds) and 22, respectively.  Hernandez is a good player, but I don't think he'd faced anyone this season as big and strong as Sanborn.  I could tell Hernandez was getting a little frustrated, but finished with a very nice 16 points - Watson added 13.  All in all, the Quakers won this game on shooting percentage and rebounds (49-28).  The Scots were a better free-throw shooting team, but they only got 10 attempts.   I can tell Maryville will have a fine season, but I think they'd take their lumps from 4 or 5 teams in the ODAC.  Good luck to the Scots this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 17, 2009, 09:02:25 AM
Hasanova,
I agree.  I think the murvul team we saw last night is typical of the way they have been playing for the past 2 months.  Half of a game.  I will say they have a great coach and he will remedy this.  Sanborn is a beast b/c greg is a very smart player but he has not seen size like that and quite frankly did a poor job.  The scots motion was terrible and their defense was worse.  I have a great opinion about motion offense, if you can't shoot then you need to work together to get buckets and the scots have not been shooting well.
I wish the scots had tougher conference games and it is nice to see them playing a strong nonconference team but they are now 1-2 against ranked opponents.  The scots have the athletic ability but are not playing well which is unusual for a murvul team.  Quite frankly, I was embarrased last night.  I am sure they are using the words but, should, could, and would a lot today and those words are embarrassing.  i know my phone blew up last night after the game and it was hilarious but Randy and kendal will fix this and they have their work cut out for them.
I still think MC should go ahead and give Randy the contract for life like Duke gave Coach K.  the job should officially be his until he decides to leave.
Good Luck to Guilford this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 17, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
Matt -

Sanborn is a beast - that's why he double/doubles every game and why he was a preseason All-America selection.  His strength and hoops savvy have grown exponentially since he was a freshman.  With 2007 DIII POY Ben Strong, Sanborn and two tall guys (Stafford and Best) in the wings, Guilford's become Big Man U.

Fortunately for Guilford, and unfortunately for opponents, Guilford's not a one-dimensional team.  If you watched the video last night, you know Henson or Bonner or one of the younger guards can take over a game.  There's at least a three-headed scoring monster there and you never know which one will be the leader.  It starts, though, with a strong inside game.  Then, if the guards are also hitting, who do you defend?  

Maryville's a good team, they just didn't have the size and overall speed to compete last night against a Guilford team with deep and talented stars.  The Scots will be in the playoffs!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
I did not see the game or video (can't get broadband 7 miles from town!).  But if the people who are shooters can't do better than the Scots' shooters last night, then we've got problems.  Were Ben and Eryk and Wes and Jordan missing "good looks"?  Statistically, Greg did ok against someone like Sanborn but it was the lack of much from anybody else on offense that must have contributed to the thumping.

I agree with Grubby that the Scots need to play more teams like Guilford just to learn what the deal is for success regionally and nationally.  Not that RDL does not know this....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 17, 2009, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 17, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
I did not see the game or video (can't get broadband 7 miles from town!).  But if the people who are shooters can't do better than the Scots' shooters last night, then we've got problems.  Were Ben and Eryk and Wes and Jordan missing "good looks"?  Statistically, Greg did ok against someone like Sanborn but it was the lack of much from anybody else on offense that must have contributed to the thumping.

I agree with Grubby that the Scots need to play more teams like Guilford just to learn what the deal is for success regionally and nationally.  Not that RDL does not know this....
It was a mixed bag:  missed open looks, missed tough shots and good defense/rebounding by GC.  I know MC normally shoots more than 30%.  Watson and Hernandez probably accounted for over 40% MC's 63 shots - I know Greg was 6 of 12 and I think Watson was 4 of 14.  That means the rest of the team was 9 of 37 - don't hold me to that because I don't have the box in front of me.  I'm pretty sure MC was 6 of 26 on treys .... so all around, not a good shooting night.  It was a tough outing for the Scots, but I'm giving them a little bit of a break since they played Rust in Maryville on Saturday, Averett in Danville (VA) on Monday and stayed over to play Guilford in Greensboro last night.   That's almost an NBA-type stretch, but not unlike what they'd see in tournament play.  All in all, probably a good move by Lambert to let them know where they stand.

BTW, is #11 Coach Lambert's son?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 17, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
Yes
Wes is Randy's youngest son and one heck of a hard worker.  The guys will get it going with hard work.  But them even mentioning the words Final Four, i think they saw what a final four team looks like last night.
the good thing about a maryville team is that they always get better as the season goes along.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 24, 2009, 09:55:58 AM
Merry Christmas to everyone. 

I hope you all get what you need, if not all that you want.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSID on December 30, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
Scots vs TWC tonight on radio at AM1470 WBCR and internet at: www.truthradio.tv.....GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on December 30, 2009, 11:16:37 PM
The Scots won against an outmatched TWC, but it was not easy.  The Scots struggled in the second half and lost the lead in the second half.  Randy rallied the troops to a fifteen point victory, and I believe that a turning point occurred late in the second half.  I think the MC scots have come to realize that they shouldn't be thinking ahead.  Hopefully this will propel them to a great 2010.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 30, 2009, 11:54:45 PM
yea they have got to learn that there are not a lot of intelligent basketball teams on their schedule and that the top d3 teams are very intelligent.  I hope they are learning their lessons.
a W is a W and we will take it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 31, 2009, 03:51:34 PM
Nice Christmas Season for the Lion Nation ...

Piedmont wins tourney on Staten Island ...
http://www.piedmontlions.com/index.aspx?tab=basketball&path=mbball

Former Lion, Kris Watkins, in his first year as head coach at South Cobb high school, wins the title at prestigious Deep South Classic tournament ...
http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/highschool/headlines/80389912.html

And for good measure, his Dad, Tony Watkins, also won the Christmas tourney at North Gwinnett ...
http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/highschool/headlines/80390112.html

Happy New Year to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 02, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
The Scots had a tough game against Bryan College, but came away with the 85-82 win.  Jared was absent due to illness, but Jordan came up big, as did Wes, Eryk, and Brandon.  This was the best overall game I have seen the Scots play thus far in the season.  Hopefully they can continue this to a solid January.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 03, 2010, 07:29:48 PM
while the grubby one was not in attendance yesterday, he did listen to the sweet sounds of the the truth radio broadcast of the scots game.
In 2010 the scots need to live by this statement, if you are better than someone, then be better than them and let them know about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 04, 2010, 09:47:40 AM
Rubio, with a career high 31 (and 4 other guys in double figures) ... way to go, Rubio.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/custompages/mbball/09_10_stats/pcm11.htm

Damn ... 60 free throws attempted ... that has to be some sort of record.

73 second half points ... not too shabby.

3 game win streak ... nice job, Lions.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 04, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
old_lion, As you might have guessed, it was ugly. We will take it. Lampl,Haymore, & Chapman all had nice games off the bench.Also,Congrats to Jim Orr on his first College points.Hope he has many more.NCW up next.Keep it up Lions.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 06, 2010, 12:09:30 AM
The fake scots didn't stand a chance last night against the MC scots.
I don't know why i wasted my time to go to the game.

GC on wed night, better be a better game if i am going to waste a hall pass to attend it

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on January 06, 2010, 08:04:35 AM
Its good to see that the fake scots will be of no competition in the league-if they don't improve they will be the wesleyan of the men's side. They were BAD!! It was good to see the REAL scots shoot the ball well
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 06, 2010, 08:25:21 AM
Lions equal last years win total ( 8 ) with a nice win over N.C. Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 06, 2010, 09:22:43 AM
Good team win for the Lions last night to extend their win streak to 4.  I believe this is the longest win streak of the Lee Glenn Era.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/index.aspx?tab=basketball&path=mbball

I believe the previous best "streak" was 5 out of 6 by the 07-08 team. 
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/07-08stats/teamcume.htm
It seems to me that PC's teams of recent years usually were operating with very little depth ... and therefore very small margins of error. I believe this year's team has the best depth since 05-06.

I am going to go ahead and predict a loss against Rust ... only because PC sometimes exhibits an annoying tendency to go against my expectations.  ;)

Good Luck in Holly Springs Lions!

Rust is a difficult place to play ... it's a tough road trip.  It's long ... and the worst thing is, when you finally get there ... you are in Holly Springs, MS.   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 06, 2010, 11:26:24 AM
Old_Lion it is good to be reading posts from you and to be reminded that the Lions are doing better.  It will be good for all the GSAC if everybody gets better.  Rust is always a challenge at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 06, 2010, 01:49:57 PM
Yes but, have you ever seen Holly Springs with snow on the ground?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 06, 2010, 06:20:31 PM
If you go to Holly Springs, MS and don't eat at Annie's Restuarant, you haven't been to Holly Springs.  We have baked chicken for pre-game and for post game I take 3 whole fried chickens.  That usually gets me back to GA.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 07, 2010, 12:06:26 PM
The Scots win a good one against Greensboro yesterday.  The scots pulled away in the second half after being tied at 35's after the first 20 minutes.  Ben had a very good game, and Brandon McGill had 2 of the most explosive dunks I have seen at Boydson Baird Gymnasium.  A good game for the scots as they continue to shoot well from beyond the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 07, 2010, 02:33:45 PM
Beaty
I have seen those dunks you speak of on youtube and while they are nice, they are not Josh Tummelesque in anyway shape form or fashion.

good win against a team with a losing record.  facts are facts.  hopefully they will continue to cruise thru.  its never easy to play at rust.  the next test on the schedule is Transy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 07, 2010, 09:57:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9LR7vCUpDk

"ouchtown population you bro"-pepper brooks

Its about time i have seen something like this from the scots this season
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 09, 2010, 09:49:42 PM
The videos do not give them justice.  These were very different from Tummy Time!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 11, 2010, 08:43:33 AM
Well Old_Lion you were right again.Lions lose a tough one at Rust.It was back and forth the whole afternoon.Lions need to find a way to get that big loose ball and/or rebound in crunch time.Not a bad effort overall.Also,I can't remember the last time,home or away,a PC team has been outscored by such a large margin on the free throw line.If these guys keep working they will be alright.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 13, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
I am not going to lie that was pretty nice!! Keep it up young scots..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 13, 2010, 03:09:38 PM
Emory has won 5 of 6. Should be a good one at the Cave tonight.GO LIONS
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 13, 2010, 04:31:57 PM
Coach Haynes
You are behind the 8 ball.  Lambert and Wallace have already started recruiting William Andrew Wallace as PG recruiting class of 2028. He was born last night. Now Coach Haynes, i am saying you are behind the 8 ball, not out of the picture.  If he likes you, i would allow him to play for you.  he is an intelligent PG who rebounds and defends well.
Current measurements
6lbs 8oz
20 inches long
born at 10:17 last night.
Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on January 14, 2010, 10:05:02 AM
Congrats!! but Ive heard the "fake scots" want and need him now!
Lets get a debate goin-do the Scots run the table and host a 1st round? I say yes-they are starting to shoot it now and I believe they have come back to earth a little after playing Guilford-RDL saw top that.

Watts I hear your dad is still undefeated up the road-good thing you don't coach because you would screw up what your grandad and dad are doing-ha
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 14, 2010, 11:55:18 AM
I think that even if the Scots run the table they will not host.  They do not play a schedule of D3 teams that compares with what the ODAC and ASC schools do.  And there are only two teams nationally that will get Pool B slots.  Chapman is one and they are nationally ranked (although they do not play a competitive schedule either) and Elms is having another good year.

If the Scots lose a game or two, they may not even get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 14, 2010, 10:28:24 PM
My son would lead the fake scots in assists today...book it

Of course Dad Walsh is ballin at the newman, it runs in the fam

The scots are not entitled to an NCAA tourney bid, do they think obama is going to hand them one?  No, they have to earn it and the bottomline is they will have a good record but so far they are 1-2 against ranked teams.  Not very impressive to a selection committee.  I think this is a good team with a lot of weaknesses.  toughness, leadership, flow of their motion consistent shooting, and they have an ego they are not willing to back up.
There are 2 types of players, the guy who tells you how good he is to get you to play him and the one who tells you how good he is to try to get you to not play him, this team seems to be the latter and i know that is not the way they were in 92, 00, or 04.  There were guys in 92 and 00 they would love play with no one there to witness strictly for the pride.  The past teams would go to the other teams gym and smack them in the mouth, not hope that somebody was coming to MC so they had an advantage.  I am not advocating fighting or anything like that, but the great ones always have a chip on their shoulder.  these guys don't have a chip, they have PDA's and ipods, and all the nice things.

They will need to change somethings before i bring my son to the game.  I want him to learn by seeing the right way to do things.  Setting the family trend, RDL will have the scots in the hunt at tourney time, but these guys are going to have to earn it themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 15, 2010, 12:23:44 PM
This will not help, Grubby:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3324

National rankings in statistics against mediocre opposition does not mean much.  The only thing worse would be not to have good stats.

My sense is that the seniors who play a lot are the most committed to the playthegame attitide Grubby favors.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 16, 2010, 08:10:03 PM
Nice win for the Lions ...

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/1/16/01_16_10_mball.aspx?path=mbball

The 3-ball was falling ... and a 22 to 8 assist to TO ratio will win you some games.

But, where was HC's Frazier?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 17, 2010, 01:17:41 PM
Speaking of missing persons, where were Jordan and Maverick @ LaGrange?

I am looking forward to seeing the Lions.  Whodathunkit.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotfan on January 17, 2010, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 17, 2010, 01:17:41 PM
Speaking of missing persons, where were Jordan and Maverick @ LaGrange?

I am looking forward to seeing the Lions.  Whodathunkit.

According to RDL on the radio postgame show, Jordan was out with a stomach virus and Maverick was out with a concussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 18, 2010, 07:37:24 AM
Frazier was not on the pregame roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 18, 2010, 11:50:23 AM
Here is a posting from a couple of our friends in Bumblin' B's in Multi-Regional topics in men's bb that has all the GSAC teams' ranked using strength of schedule and records.  These rankings will be important in the decision about which 2 teams get Pool B bids to the NCAA.    That is pretty much the only way in for GSAC teams although in theory some team could get invited as a Pool C team.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=2870.1740#msg1162194

Just in case you do not pursue this lead, I feel obliged to point out that a GSAC school is ranked #1 nationally in the B's category.  Three guesses....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 18, 2010, 11:37:09 PM
if i was a scot in 2010, I would just win the whole dang thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2010, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: scotfan on January 17, 2010, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 17, 2010, 01:17:41 PM
Speaking of missing persons, where were Jordan and Maverick @ LaGrange?

I am looking forward to seeing the Lions.  Whodathunkit.

According to RDL on the radio postgame show, Jordan was out with a stomach virus and Maverick was out with a concussion.

Murvul has so much depth, missing a couple of guys just doesn't make much difference.

It was nice to see Laverdiere get some major minutes and an opportunity to shine.  I have always felt that he is overlooked and underrated.

http://www.greatsouth.org/sports/mbball/GSACM09/HTML/11610mcm.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 19, 2010, 10:46:26 AM
Regarding conference only stats ...

I've always said that even over the full conference schedule (an extensive 6 games ...  ::)), that conference only stats are drawn from much too small of a population of data to have any valid statistical relevance. 

That is why giving them any sort of serious consideration ,as opposed to the full season stats, is so statistically ludicrous.  But, I digress ...

That disclaimer aside, my point is, for all you PC faithful out there ... you might want to take a look at them now.  Heck, print them out and frame them.  We've never looked this good, relative to the rest of the gsac.

Hey, if the gsac brain trust can decide post season honors based on 6 game schedules, then I can get excited about our dominance early in the grueling gsac schedule.  :D

http://www.greatsouth.org/sports/mbball/GSACM09/HTML/confonly.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
bout time my scots got some votes in the top 25
we know they are not the number two team in the country, obviously
but they deserve a little love
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2010, 11:20:06 PM
They got votes earlier in the season too.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2010, 12:17:06 AM
Beating Transy might help, but the Guilford disaster did not help. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 20, 2010, 10:45:35 PM
pat, you know the grubby one expects more out of his scots than receiving votes and you also know the grubby one knows your top 25 poll well enough to know that the votes are legit.  while they are just votes, the pollsters know enough about d3 basketball that if the scots were a top 25 team, then they would have the votes to be in the top 25.  The pollsters have the scots pegged right on this year.  They are good enough to receive votes and that is about it.  They did not look very intelligent against a solid transy team (solid being defined in this situation as capable of knocking off a #1 ranked powerhouse).  i don't see enough smart plays out of the scots to warrant a spot in the top 25, but i do see a lot of talent.  Unfortunately, i have seen guys end up in the NBA who could not win a D3 title.  I think that speaks a lot for the intelligence and true team ball that is played at the D3 level.

The Grubby One agrees with the top 25 poll and likes seeing his scots get votes for their talent, when they learn to play smart they will move up.  Now that Randy mac is not #1 since the grubby ones wed night bball playing buddy played at RMC a few years ago and the grubby one does not have to hear about RMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2010, 11:41:25 PM
So Mr. Grubby we know the Scots have a good bit of talent and some really good coaches.  So what will it take to get this bunch to put together a strong team that merits national attention and can beat good teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 21, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
more efficiency, more consistency of effort, and an easier flow of scoring easy baskets
basically, experience, they are still young in spots and limited in others
they are going to have to define their game and then perfect it then force other teams to play their game
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 21, 2010, 09:20:01 AM
Lions pick up first conference road win in a while.http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/1/20/01_20_10_mball.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 21, 2010, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: bballlover on January 21, 2010, 09:20:01 AM
Lions pick up first conference road win in a while.http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/1/20/01_20_10_mball.aspx?path=mbball

The juggernaut rolls on ... 2 and 0 in the conference!

That is a nice win.  Coach Haynes always has his guys ready to play PC, especially there.
(An 8 point margin is a blow-out in the PC/LC series.)

And what about Coppage?  He's like Hansel ... he's so hot right now.  (Zoolander reference)

                        TOT-FG    3-PT                REBOUNDS
Opponent             FG FGA  FG FGA  FT FTA    OF DE TOT    PF  TP   A TO  BLK S  MIN

Huntingdon   .....     3    5     3    4     8    8    1    3     4     2   17   8   2    0   2   24
LaGrange     .....      4    4     2    2     3    4    0    2     2     0   13   3   2    0   1   16

The last two games ... 7/9 on FGs, 5/6 3s, 11/12 FTs, 11 assists, only 4 TOs ... and he can only get 16 minutes against LaGrange?  Unless this is another example of the LC stat folks having occasional lapses at the table, PT is hard to come by these days on PC's team.

And, a shout out to Lampl.  He is quietly emerging as a more consistent player.  9 assists and only 1 TO the last two games in limited minutes.  Nice ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 21, 2010, 11:43:37 AM
Regarding Coppage ...

Have we ever had an All-gsac selection that comes off the bench?

Maybe it's time for the gsac brain trust to add a 6th man of the year award ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 21, 2010, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 20, 2010, 10:45:35 PM
the intelligence and true team ball that is played at the D3 level.

Amen!  Certainly in terms of size and athletic ability, D3 can't compete with the higher level teams.

But, in a lot of ways, the D3 game has it own strengths.  There are several aspects that I find superior ... at least I prefer them.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 21, 2010, 12:08:34 PM
I don't even want to comment on the scorers table at LC last night.Let's just say they had a few problems.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 21, 2010, 03:23:02 PM
Quote from: bballlover on January 21, 2010, 12:08:34 PM
I don't even want to comment on the scorers table at LC last night.Let's just say they had a few problems.

We are so fortunate in that area at PC.  Richard Dombrowsky and his people have done a great job at the official scorer's table for years.

I know people whose kids have played at a couple of these other schools.  Some of the stories they tell ... we are definitely spoiled.  At least we only have to deal with it occasionally.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on January 22, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 21, 2010, 11:43:37 AM
Regarding Coppage ...

Have we ever had an All-gsac selection that comes off the bench?


Yes they have.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2010, 10:01:59 PM
Does HC have a chance in Murvul?
should the grubby one spend the gas to drive out to Boydson Baird?

The magic 8 ball says....

Anytime Greg Hernandez drops 24 and 20 in a game, it is mandatory to attend to the next game.
go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on January 23, 2010, 08:27:56 PM
The answer is that HC had no chance from the start
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2010, 11:00:15 PM
yea, greg had another good performance, but was there anyone there that could stop him???
No, not from HC at least
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 24, 2010, 10:31:14 AM
Mr.Grubb I think the Highlanders can give the Scots better competition than the Panthers,Lions, and Hawks.. What do you think?? Congrats on the baby and he will be a future Highlander...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 24, 2010, 02:59:05 PM
Mr. Killer:  Can you encourage any of your Highlander talent to be Scots later?  After all, the Scots are also Highlanders....

Big Highlanders are especially welcome....unless Greg has a secret extra year of eligibility because of his being not so good as a freshman....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 24, 2010, 08:51:41 PM
yea killer you need to send some of your talent RDL's way and also the ODAC teams need to start scheduling Murvul as a nonconference match up.  obviously MC got the business from guilford, but that is one game, if the ODAC teams could beat murvul its better for them, if murvul beats the odac teams its better for murvul than beating a bunch of NAIA teams.  Im just sayin, we want to see some real D3 ball here in murvul, not these hybrid beat downs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on January 24, 2010, 09:34:10 PM
ooooozie! Congrats on the baby girl roomie and the same goes to the grubby one, only congrats on the baby boy! I would also hop on the bandwagon to schedule more ODAC teams regardless of the misfortune @ Guilford. I believe someone put that if Maryville was in the ODAC then they would be a mediocre team and finish no higher than the middle of the pack year in and year out and im here to say that would be flat wrong. Maryville doesnt get very much credit for being in the GSAC and rightfully so but I know that since i played and since ive graduated we have a very good winning percentage against other South Region teams we play year in and out, i.e. SCAC and USA South teams. Also, the grubby one and i have had several conversations about the scots this season and i tend to have a brighter outlook and i thought we could talk about it again since i just read about a new stat. In the game recap of Huntingdon it mentioned somethig about the Scots being the nations top assist team?? And they had an incredibe 25 team assists that game! Could it be Watts that the teams EGo heavy leaders have realized that sharing the ball without disrupting the motion makes them VERY GOOD. I would say the Scots are best when Greg is putting in 18-24 on 12-15 shots and Eryk is scoring 14-18 on the same amount with the majority of Gregs shots coming at the basket. Anyways the scots are very deep and several of those guys are still young/newcomers! I hope the 25 team assists is a sign that some of the players have left the egos in their dorm room and that the chemistry is coming together and this would be a perfect time for it!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 25, 2010, 10:06:01 AM
The Jackroberts what would you know
did you ever make it past the first round?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 25, 2010, 12:41:49 PM
The juggernaut rolls on ...

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/1/24/01_24_10_mball.aspx?path=mbball

One thing you have to acknowledge re the Lions ... these guys can make FTs.
They went 20 for 24, to get them to 73% for the season.

I was watching UGA's victory over UT this w/e (great victory for the Dawgs ... Bruce Pearl is one of my favorite coaches ... he has done an amazing job, especially lately ... in the wake of the recent problems ... apparently, Mark Fox is a pretty good coach also) and I heard the announcer comment what a good FT shooting team Ga is ... how they are leading the SEC at about 72%

72% leads the SEC?  72% as a team is good ... but I think the SEC leader should be somewhat higher.  Heck, if I'm not mistaken, PC has shot 72% or better for each of the last 6 seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 25, 2010, 01:57:53 PM
old lion
there is the difference in student/athlete and just athlete
free throws are a matter of intelligence
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on January 25, 2010, 05:55:31 PM
hahaha every year but the last. Matt Grubb, am i better than you? YES. Am i more handsome? YES. I should charge you to hang out with me. RIP Coach Baird, you will be missed!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 25, 2010, 06:29:23 PM
RIP Coach Baird.
There will always be the accelerated heartbeat when we hear "Boydson Baird Gymnasium" before every scots home. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 25, 2010, 11:26:47 PM
Randy Lambert is unhappy and this does not bode well for the Lions this weekend.  He said the Lions are a lot like Millligan and I bet he is not interested in the same result as tonight's loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2010, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 25, 2010, 11:26:47 PM
Randy Lambert is unhappy and this does not bode well for the Lions this weekend.  He said the Lions are a lot like Millligan and I bet he is not interested in the same result as tonight's loss.
I guess that I can take credit that loss to Milligan.

I just posted my Poster's Poll ballot and had Maryville in the Top 25!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bkbfan30 on January 26, 2010, 08:34:21 AM
Tough road loss at an avg naia team-rdl won't be happy with 27 TURNOVERS and minus 10 at the ft line but such is life on road-can't turn it over 27 times and beat anyone- Head's up Piedmont there will be some very unhappy scots come saturday
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 26, 2010, 08:46:54 AM
WOW! Didn't see that one coming.Lions didn't need for anyone to make the Scotts mad.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 26, 2010, 09:34:40 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 25, 2010, 11:26:47 PM
Randy Lambert is unhappy and this does not bode well for the Lions this weekend.  He said the Lions are a lot like Millligan and I bet he is not interested in the same result as tonight's loss.

Well that's just great.  The last thing PC needs is Murvul coming into town in a bad mood and looking to vent their anger.  The Lions better be ready.

Thanks a lot Milligan ...

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2010, 10:54:46 AM
Thanks Ralph!

I think the blame lies elsewhere.

I thought these NAIA games did not count for D3 posters polls!

Which reminds me, do the team and individual stats from non D3 games count in the NCAA /D3 stats?  I had been meaning to ask you about this before last night's episode of not paying attention to business.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 26, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
Well, I'm channeling my inner Alan Greenspan (irrational exuberance) again.  With a pissed off Murvul coming to town soon, I figured now was a good time to be optimistic and enjoy the moment.

For the first time in the Lee Glenn Era, the Lions have a chance (at least mathematically) at 20 wins this late in the season.

I'm looking at the schedule.  The Lions are 11-6 right now with (assuming we can win a first round gsac tourney game) 10 left to play.

Of those 10 games, I see
·   5 probable wins
·   3 probable losses, and
·   2 that could easily go either way (HC@HC and Oglethorpe @ home)

I'm not saying it's likely.  9 more wins would require winning both toss up games and 2 out of 3 against Murvul.  Let's not forget avioding upsets in the 5 s/b wins games ... no small task. But, at least the chance is there.  Hey, we could beat Murvul in Demorest and on a neutral floor for the gsac championship.  Stranger things have happened ... OK, I can't think of any right now, other than the whole OctoMom fiasco, but I'm sure they have.

Even if the Lions don't win 20, they are well on their way to accomplishing something to be proud of.  They appear to be improving during the season ... that's progress.

Go Lions!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 26, 2010, 12:33:12 PM
Old Lion
You have  a point, while they will not beat murvul 2 out of 3, they are laying the ground work.

Winning is a habit, look at RDL.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 02:30:56 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 26, 2010, 10:54:46 AM
Thanks Ralph!

I think the blame lies elsewhere.

I thought these NAIA games did not count for D3 posters polls!

Which reminds me, do the team and individual stats from non D3 games count in the NCAA /D3 stats?  I had been meaning to ask you about this before last night's episode of not paying attention to business.
Pollsters, yes.

NCCA Division III South Region Evaluation Committee, no.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotfan on January 26, 2010, 03:53:52 PM
The MC/Milligan game was live streamed on the Milligan College website last night. The Scots looked totally lethargic in the first half, bounced back and played at least decent basketball for a lot of the second half, and then went brain dead late.

Lowlight of the night..... less than 20 seconds left, Milligan up 72-71 with their pg, who looked about 5-9, for two free throws. Milligan had nobody on the lane except the guy shooting the free throws. He missed both shots but somehow got his own offensive rebound  through four Scots. They had to foul him again and , of course, he made both. The Scots also had a couple of critical turnovers in the last minute or so.

Finally, while Milligan definitely outplayed the Scots, I think they owe an assist to the timekeeper on the game winning buzzer beater. Picture this..... there are 3.3 seconds left and Milligan inbounds to their biggest guy. He catches the ball about the top of the key in backcourt after breaking toward the passer from around half court ( i.e. going the wrong direction). The Milligan coach said on their website that the play was designed for him to immediately pass to one of their guards streaking up the court. He had time to notice that they were covered and then he drove the ball to just inside the three point line at the other end and made the shot. Tyus Edney would be proud of that one  :D





Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 26, 2010, 05:27:49 PM
I have to give a shout out to the Lady Lions mid-season addition, Sada Wheeler.

http://www.greatsouth.org/News/wbball/2010/1/19/111709_WBB_POW.asp

If she got Player of the Week while averaging 13.0 points, 9.0 rebounds and 5.3 blocks per game, there is probably another PotW award coming.

The next 3 games she averaged 17.3 points, 13.3 rebounds and 3 blocks per game.
Damn, you go girl! 

It would have been nice, back in the day, if our Lions could have found a post presense comparable to Ms. Wheeler.  Ah, what might have been ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on January 27, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 26, 2010, 05:27:49 PM
I have to give a shout out to the Lady Lions mid-season addition, Sada Wheeler.

http://www.greatsouth.org/News/wbball/2010/1/19/111709_WBB_POW.asp

If she got Player of the Week while averaging 13.0 points, 9.0 rebounds and 5.3 blocks per game, there is probably another PotW award coming.

The next 3 games she averaged 17.3 points, 13.3 rebounds and 3 blocks per game.
Damn, you go girl! 

It would have been nice, back in the day, if our Lions could have found a post presense comparable to Ms. Wheeler.  Ah, what might have been ...

The Kersey kid was pretty stinking good. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 27, 2010, 10:47:48 AM
yea Kersey could flat out play, thank goodness for MC that he didn't stay in school, he would have ended the MC streak early on, in fact, he almost did if it had not been for McCord's 75 foot bank shot as time expired b/c Kersey dominated that game throughout regulation.  Overtime was a different story.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 27, 2010, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Domino on January 27, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 26, 2010, 05:27:49 PM
I have to give a shout out to the Lady Lions mid-season addition, Sada Wheeler.

http://www.greatsouth.org/News/wbball/2010/1/19/111709_WBB_POW.asp

If she got Player of the Week while averaging 13.0 points, 9.0 rebounds and 5.3 blocks per game, there is probably another PotW award coming.

The next 3 games she averaged 17.3 points, 13.3 rebounds and 3 blocks per game.
Damn, you go girl!  

It would have been nice, back in the day, if our Lions could have found a post presence comparable to Ms. Wheeler.  Ah, what might have been ...

The Kersey kid was pretty stinking good.  

Yeah, I've heard Kersey was tough. But he was before I started following PC ... I never saw him play.

I was speaking more of the "diminutive years", from 04-05 to 07-08.  We had some good front court guys during that period.  Obviously, everyone knows how good Baldwin was.  And we had Brent Walker for 2 seasons.  He was greatly under rated, never got nearly the credit he deserved.  But they were really 3/4s being forced to do the inside work because we were never really able to recruit the true inside presence type of guy.

I'm talking about the type of player that Al McGuire used to refer to as "aircraft carriers" ... the type of player that could dominate the glass and enable his teammates to be more aggressive by defending the basket.

I realize there aren't a lot of those players in DIII ... but the Lady Lions found one.  
http://www.greatsouth.org/sport.asp?path=wbball&tab=winter

I'm just saying, it would have been a whole different ball game had we been able to find one also.  As some of you know, my "dog in the fight" during that period was a true PG. It would have been nice to see what he, and PC, could have accomplished, had they had the luxury of working with all the components that you'd ideally like to see in a complete team.

I had the privilege of watching that sort of situation his senior year in high school ... and it was a thing of beauty.  You guys would have enjoyed it ... in many ways it was similar to Murvul's team concepts, though not quite as structured.  That North Gwinnett team upset defending AAAAA champion Wheeler in the first round, beat Stephenson (with GT's Aminu) in OT in the second round, and then came within  a couple of baskets of upsetting Lou William's South Gwinnett powerhouse that went on to defeat a previously unbeaten Tift County team by 20 something in the state finals.  Good times ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 29, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
The weather could play havoc for games to be played in Demorest this weekend.http://www.ajc.com/news/northeast-georgia-braces-for-286467.html
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 29, 2010, 12:48:03 PM
Update: Lions & Scotts  http://www.piedmontlions.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on January 30, 2010, 01:35:30 PM
Coach Glenn is doing a great job with the Lions. He is giving former players who really care about the program, something to be proud of...and that is very special.

I have a great deal of respect for Coach Glenn and his staff.

Over the years I've realized all the good that Coach Glenn has done for me as a student, player, coach, but more importantly as a person.

I tip my hat to Coach Glenn.



Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 30, 2010, 04:05:18 PM
Where have you been, KnoxCounty22?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 31, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
Get out the heavy duty golf umbrellas folks ...

Herds of flying pigs have been spotted in the Demorest area.

Kudos, Lions!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 31, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
Details ...

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/1/31/01_31_10_wball.aspx?path=mbball

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/1/31/01_31_10_mball.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2010, 08:29:24 PM
Congratulations to Piedmont!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2010, 08:51:17 PM
the grubby one will be on a drinking binge for the next 6 weeks

RDL should not let these guys use their locker room or practice gear for the rest of the season, some guys just have that nasty attitude it takes to dominate and some don't

congrats PC, I bet Sammy is on cloud 9 about now
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2010, 10:04:03 PM
http://www.usbasket.com/NCAA2/basketball.asp?NewsID=183317

the killer needs to see this and i cant wait to hear his response
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 31, 2010, 10:13:21 PM
It was an all out war in The Cave tonight.Needless to say these are not your big brother's Lions.Maybe it had something to do with Saturday night's Blue Moon.Keep it up Lions.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 31, 2010, 10:46:42 PM
Congratulations to the Lions!

I always knew pigs can fly.  It is hard to win a game if you shoot 14 free throws and the other guys shoot 39 (especially if they hit 31 of them).   The freethrow shooting team must have taken their aggressive pills!

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 31, 2010, 10:57:54 PM
Its hard for me to criticize now that I am a coach. Being a coach is not easy and I can't even imagine what is going through Coach Lambert's mind after a loss like this .
 Watts I know we joke a lot about stuff on hear but this is unacceptable. Although this message board is for us old guys I hope one of the current players read this:
IT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO LOSE GSAC GAMES!! IT HURTS YOUR CHANCES TO GO TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT.. IT TAKES A LOT OF DEDICATION ON AND OFF THE COURT TO BE CONSIDERED GREAT... THERE IS A REASON WHY COACH HAS ONLY GONE TO THE SWEET 16 (TWICE) AND (ELITE 8 ONCE) BECAUSE THOSE TEAMS PAYED THE PRICE......
 ITS ABOUT TIME YOU GUYS BUCKLE DOWN AND FINISH STRONG... DON'T GOT TIME TO COME AROUND AND LET THE BOYS KNOW HOW I FEEL.... ALTHOUGH ITS DIVISION III TAKE PRIDE THAT WE HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE MOST CONSISTENT FOR YEARS AND TEAMS WILL NOT GIVE YOU WINS.IT BOTHERS THE GUYS WHO DID PAY THE PRICE WHEN WE LOSE GAMES LIKE THIS..

BY THE WAY CONGRATS TO PIEDMONT AND COACH GLENN ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on January 31, 2010, 11:10:34 PM
saw and read the link...I gave that guys team the business.lol ;D ;D ;D

Never beat me.. Good for him though.. Living the dream..
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2010, 11:42:08 PM
well said Killer
I wish the guys would learn one lesson, you only get one go round in college basketball so you have to make the most of it.  The more you sacrifice for something, the more it is worth to you.  And the only thing that matters how is much you value it.  Yea its only D3 and yea its only the GSAC, but as i have said before, winning is a habit and it carries over.  i saw the free throw stats, but you have to rise above everything to be great.  It doesn't matter how big the pond is, if you arent the biggest fish in your own pond, then you will never be the biggest fish in any pond. 
Now the scots have to repay milligan and piedmont or they could fold, but i bet RDL won't let them fold. He sure is earning his coaching only salary this year.

On a positive note, they don't make the frontpage of d3hoops.com for victories, but they sure do when they lose, that verifies they have a lot less losses than victories
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 01, 2010, 07:44:46 AM
Congrats Old Lion, Piedmont in 1st Place in the GSAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 01, 2010, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 01, 2010, 07:44:46 AM
Congrats Old Lion, Piedmont in 1st Place in the GSAC!

Wow ... huh?  Just when I thought I'd seen it all ...

What can possibly top that?  I guess Pelosi is going to do something to earn my respect and admiration?   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 01, 2010, 09:35:38 AM
Grubb, Scottie, Killer,

I am impressed by your graciousness in dealing with the loss.

I know that's an area that you neither have, nor want, much experience in.

I am certain the Scots will be more than ready for Round II in Murvul.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on February 01, 2010, 11:11:14 AM
It appears the most talented Maryville College team in several years will be the one who ends the streak of consecutive tournament bids. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2010, 11:38:51 AM
Ron Domino:

Unless the Scots lose another D3 game (in this case that would mean another GSAC game), they still will be the only GSAC team with a shot at a NCAA tournament bid from either Pool B (most likely) or Pool C (quite unlikely).

Pigs can fly, so the Scots could lose again in D3, but I would not count on it.

RDL said on the radio that he had expected and the team had talked about all the stuff you have to handle on the road to be a successful team but did not make the key plays down the stretch.  Did not do what Killer and Grubby One have highlighted...be the tougher team.   That means that in this case, the Lions did do what they had to.

It is good for the GSAC and Maryville for Coach Glenn and his program to get better and better.  That can only help the problem of building a real men's basketball conference with 7 or 8 teams some of which are consistently competitive with the Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 01, 2010, 12:44:39 PM
This is an embarrassing loss and makes me sick to my stomach to see us lose to Piedmont and be anywhere other than 1st place in the conference! This is unbelievable. Somebody on that team other than Coach Lambert and Coach Wallace better wake that team up!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2010, 04:15:36 PM
if you are truly a teammate's friend then you are not friends between the lines, you push each other to the limit, then when you step outside the lines you go back to being nice to each other.

In my case, you are never nice to The jackroberts b/c i am his daddy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 02, 2010, 07:20:22 AM
Quote from: bkbfan30 on January 26, 2010, 08:34:21 AM
Head's up Piedmont there will be some very unhappy scots come saturday

Old Lion I think bkbfan30 was correct in his prediction, although he was a day early.

Quote from: old_lion on February 01, 2010, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 01, 2010, 07:44:46 AM
Congrats Old Lion, Piedmont in 1st Place in the GSAC!

Wow ... huh?  Just when I thought I'd seen it all ...

What can possibly top that?  I guess Pelosi is going to do something to earn my respect and admiration?   :o

Doing it again will top it!  But the odds are against it though!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 02, 2010, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 02, 2010, 07:20:22 AM
Quote from: bkbfan30 on January 26, 2010, 08:34:21 AM
Head's up Piedmont there will be some very unhappy scots come saturday

Old Lion I think bkbfan30 was correct in his prediction, although he was a day early.

Quote from: old_lion on February 01, 2010, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 01, 2010, 07:44:46 AM
Congrats Old Lion, Piedmont in 1st Place in the GSAC!

Wow ... huh?  Just when I thought I'd seen it all ...

What can possibly top that?  I guess Pelosi is going to do something to earn my respect and admiration?    :o

Doing it again will top it!  But the odds are against it though!

No doubt you're right.  I'd say the odds are very high against our winning the return match in Murvul.

But sadly. and more importantly, I think the odds are much higher against The Wicked Witch of the West doing anything to earn my respect or admiration.   :(    Maybe you've heard Dennis Miller express his opinion on her?  I'd have to say I don't feel quite that strongly, but it's close.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on February 02, 2010, 09:18:44 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 01, 2010, 11:38:51 AM
Ron Domino:

Unless the Scots lose another D3 game (in this case that would mean another GSAC game), they still will be the only GSAC team with a shot at a NCAA tournament bid from either Pool B (most likely) or Pool C (quite unlikely).

Pigs can fly, so the Scots could lose again in D3, but I would not count on it.

RDL said on the radio that he had expected and the team had talked about all the stuff you have to handle on the road to be a successful team but did not make the key plays down the stretch.  Did not do what Killer and Grubby One have highlighted...be the tougher team.   That means that in this case, the Lions did do what they had to.

It is good for the GSAC and Maryville for Coach Glenn and his program to get better and better.  That can only help the problem of building a real men's basketball conference with 7 or 8 teams some of which are consistently competitive with the Scots.

Hopefully feeling a sense of urgency will kick them into gear.  If they think they can sleep walk into a tournament bid, then it appears they will do it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2010, 10:30:16 AM
Kids believe hype.

I would definitely have a sense of urgency if i knew i was going to be known as the team that broke the streak.  Wow!!!  i swear there would never be any jokes about that around MC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2010, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 26, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
Well, I'm channeling my inner Alan Greenspan (irrational exuberance) again.  With a pissed off Murvul coming to town soon, I figured now was a good time to be optimistic and enjoy the moment.

For the first time in the Lee Glenn Era, the Lions have a chance (at least mathematically) at 20 wins this late in the season.

I'm looking at the schedule.  The Lions are 11-6 right now with (assuming we can win a first round gsac tourney game) 10 left to play.

Of those 10 games, I see
· 5 probable wins
· 3 probable losses, and
· 2 that could easily go either way (HC@HC and Oglethorpe @ home)

I'm not saying it's likely.  9 more wins would require winning both toss up games and 2 out of 3 against Murvul.  Let's not forget avioding upsets in the 5 s/b wins games ... no small task. But, at least the chance is there.  Hey, we could beat Murvul in Demorest and on a neutral floor for the gsac championship.  Stranger things have happened ... OK, I can't think of any right now, other than the whole OctoMom fiasco, but I'm sure they have.

Even if the Lions don't win 20, they are well on their way to accomplishing something to be proud of.  They appear to be improving during the season ... that's progress.

Go Lions!



Update on the quest for 20 wins ... 3 more games in the win column (now 14 -6) ... two of the probable wins and one of the probable losses!  Way to go Lions.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&

The article on the last game points out that ...
  "The victory marks the sixth consecutive win for the Lions, a new NCAA Division III era milestone."

If I'm not mistaken, 14 wins also ties the mark for most wins in a season (set in 07-08) during the Lee Glenn era.  That record is going to be broken.

The next game is huge.  It is one of those that could easily go either way.  Traditionally, HC has been a tough place to pick up a road win.  It s/b interesting ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 04, 2010, 10:30:04 AM
I like following Old Lion's countdown to success...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 04, 2010, 11:06:14 AM
I like that old Lion considers 14 wins (6 in a row) success....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 04, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 04, 2010, 10:30:04 AM
I like following Old Lion's countdown to success...

To paraphrase Clark Griswald when he was viewing the results of his exterior illumination efforts with his family and in-laws ...

Dear Grubby One, I'm just glad to know my efforts add to your enjoyment of the basketball season.   :D

Clark's quote:
Clark: "Dear Frances, I hope this adds to your enjoyment of the holidays."
Frances: "Oh, it's just wonderful."
Clark: "Oh, Arthur, Art, Dad, thanks for being here."
Art: "The little lights are not twinkeling."
Clark: "I know Art, and thanks for noticing."



Hmmm ... Art's outlook on life reminds me of someone ...

I know  ... Mr Sunshine, jackroberts!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on February 04, 2010, 03:14:20 PM
Well said Old Lion.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 04, 2010, 10:39:05 PM
I have pics of the THE jackroberts that are inappropriate for the internet
and a 100 dollar bar tab from tuesday night when him and the grubby one got down
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 05, 2010, 06:49:28 PM
haha i like it old lion! And when the situation and the grubby one do it, they do it big. Jack roberts hopes the scots run lagrange out of the gym tomorrow. Time to get hungry and nasty.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 05, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
Quote from: THE jackroberts on February 05, 2010, 06:49:28 PM
haha i like it old lion! And when the situation and the grubby one do it, they do it big. Jack roberts hopes the scots run lagrange out of the gym tomorrow. Time to get hungry and nasty.

JR,

Can I call you JR?  I feel like we've gotten closer now that we've shared a laugh ...
+1 for showing a sense of humor.

Unfortunately, as soon as the 24 hrs are up, I may have to ding you one for referring to yourself as "the situation".   :D  Yeah, I know some young people ... I've walked through the room and caught a few minutes of The Jersey Shore ... it is somewhat akin to walking by a bad wreck ... it's unpleasent, but hard to look away.  

Don't be too hard on LaGrange ... I'm sure the Scots have a little pent up frustration to vent.

Oh, and by the way, I'll understand if anyone feels compelled to ding me for even acknowledging the existance of the lame concept of karma.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2010, 12:05:57 AM
I will agree the Grubby one and the Sitch do it big, JR is like a younger version of the situation

What's best about Jersey Shore is that the dudes are like 30, Old Lion, i don't think the girls on Jersey Shore would go for you, not b/c you don't have the game, but b/c they would get lost in your statistical breakdowns.  Actually, you could probably get them drunk on your numbers and then dominate them?...

I hope the scots are ready, but there is not much they can prove to a selection committee with the games they have left

I can't wait for PC to come to Da Ville

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 08, 2010, 11:49:31 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 04, 2010, 09:38:28 AM

The next game is huge.  It is one of those that could easily go either way.  Traditionally, HC has been a tough place to pick up a road win.  It s/b interesting ...

Doh!  Two steps forward, one step back ...

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/2/6/02_06_10_mball.aspx?path=mbball

Oh well, Rome (or Murvul, for that matter) wasn't built in a day.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 08, 2010, 01:11:27 PM
You can't go on the road and miss 11 free throws and be out rebounded by 15 and expect to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 08, 2010, 02:27:35 PM
I hope the Scots notice what happened to the Lions in Montgomery.  What did the Hawks do to the Lions' big guy?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 08, 2010, 03:22:31 PM
Funny you should ask Scottiedoug.They tackled him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 08, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
Road trips are like that.  I figured something like that.  If you'd hit all those free throws you made against the Scots....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 08, 2010, 05:35:39 PM
Just a memorable note but the last time MC lost a conference game, it ended up losing two and the conference final and still made it in to Dance. Not that there wasn't a lot of controversy over Huntingdon being left out after beating MC twice that year.

And as I'm sure Ralph would remind me, the Pool B slots are fewer and father between these days. Not that they were ever huge but its a 33 percent reduction then to now.

After watching the team live and on webcast I have to think at times the problem is too many guys feeling they can make "The Play" that turns a bucket into a run. Everyone out there seems to have the ability to drop in a long 3 or the quick cut at the right moment. BUT sometimes it looks as if they are expecting another guy to do it this trip down and sometimes like they're frustrated and taking it on themselves and forcing something that's not there this time. Seeing a few of those moments when it does click, they tend to come when they aren't trying to force anything and just executing on defense and running the ball inside then opening up everything else from there.

I'll leave that to the brain trust to discuss how you tweak something like that. Maybe there's more behind the scenes thats affecting it, but staggering into the conference tourney isn't a good look, don't believe, reread that first graph.

and a BTW as I've explained a few times this season, but have been negligent to note here: The Daily Times web site is now offering only snippets from game stories with the full versions available on a pay per view/subscription web site. Full columns however are still on the free site. I understand it has per story, per day and per whatever rates on the pay site but its a searchable database and pdf download of the paper, not a true news site. <sigh>
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2010, 01:16:57 AM
Yes. Bard, I thought that Huntingdon deserved a Pool B that year, but they did not listen to me.

Piedmont may have lost a chance to hang a pennant from the rafters with the Huntingdon loss!

(I hope that Huntingdon has a banner up there from that GSAC tourney win.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 09, 2010, 07:32:54 AM
Bard and Ralph

What are the chances of MC playing Guilford on the road during the 1st round of the NCAA tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on February 09, 2010, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2010, 01:16:57 AM
Yes. Bard, I thought that Huntingdon deserved a Pool B that year, but they did not listen to me.

Piedmont may have lost a chance to hang a pennant from the rafters with the Huntingdon loss!

(I hope that Huntingdon has a banner up there from that GSAC tourney win.)

I think Fisk is the only one who hung a banner for their tournament win.  The Scots would have run out of rafters and walls by now.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 09, 2010, 11:11:25 AM
Wilburt:  You did not ask me, but I cannot imagine Guilford won't host or that Maryville will and some sick mind might think it would be fun to let the Scots try again....

A neutral site would be nice....

Then again the Scots have a few things to take care of before any of this could play out.

If they play as well as they did in the first half last night against Milligan, they can play with anybody in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 09, 2010, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 09, 2010, 11:11:25 AM
Wilburt:  You did not ask me, but I cannot imagine Guilford won't host or that Maryville will and some sick mind might think it would be fun to let the Scots try again....

I think some sick mind in the NCAA will try to set up that 1st round NCAA tourney matchup - MC @ Guilford.  

Quote from: Ron Domino on February 09, 2010, 09:24:32 AM
I think Fisk is the only one who hung a banner for their tournament win.  The Scots would have run out of rafters and walls by now.

The only school I have ever heard of legitimately run out of space for championship banners is UCLA.  They have banners for their 11 NCAA basketball championships but it is said that they have no room for the many (over 40) conference basketball championships they have won over the years to place in the rafters/walls.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2010, 01:37:12 PM
I am afraid to say, i agree with Wilburt
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2010, 07:19:25 PM
i saw the updated regional rankings and if things were to stay the same, what do you wanna bet murvul plays an odac team if they get in....
and if the tourney were today, guess where the scots would be going...

Grubby for Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2010, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 10, 2010, 07:19:25 PM
i saw the updated regional rankings and if things were to stay the same, what do you wanna bet murvul plays an odac team if they get in....
and if the tourney were today, guess where the scots would be going...

Grubby for Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, probably as the #3 seed in the bracket with the USAC Pool A going in as the #4 seed to play the host team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 11, 2010, 08:09:58 AM
South Region Rankings - In-Region Record Overall Record

1. Guilford 19-1 19-1  (ODAC)
2. Virginia Wesleyan 16-2 18-2 (ODAC)
3. Texas-Dallas 16-3 17-4 (ASC)
4. Eastern Mennonite 12-2 16-3 (ODAC)
5. Austin 16-5 16-5 (SCAC)
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-5 15-6 (ASC)
7. Randolph-Macon 10-4 16-4 (ODAC)
8. Maryville (Tenn.)  12-3 17-4 (GSAC)

Interesting!  As of now, an argument could be made this year that Maryville's Pool B bid (assuming they will get one - which they always do) may take away a Pool C bid from a deserving ODAC school.   I could see the pundits saying that Maryville would be just an average ODAC team (5th or 6th place) if they played in the ODAC rather than the GSAC. The current Southern rankings support that argument. Any thoughts?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2010, 10:31:09 AM
No, Wilburt, it can't. The D-III playoff process doesn't work that way.

The only way Maryville takes a Pool C bid away from anyone (and it could be anyone in the nation, not limited to the South Region) is if three teams get Pool B bids before Maryville and Maryville still gets into the tournament anyway.

In the 11 years of the Pools system, no Pool B team has ever taken a bid from Pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2010, 11:01:57 AM
True True Pat
but i think i see where wilburt was going with that and i understand and somewhat agree with his argument that there maybe a team from the ODAC that is left at home that is better than maryville this year.  That does not happen often but is a possibility this year.

And right now it looks like Randy mac would be left at home unless they get the auto bid.  Guilford is a pool c, emu is a pool c, and i bet VWC would be a pool c depending on who wins the ODAC tourney.  Also, they will probably knock themselves out by who loses in the semis of the conference tourney.  man, i love it when the odac is this strong.  I hope one of them wins the whole dang thing this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 11, 2010, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2010, 10:31:09 AM
No, Wilburt, it can't. The D-III playoff process doesn't work that way.

The only way Maryville takes a Pool C bid away from anyone (and it could be anyone in the nation, not limited to the South Region) is if three teams get Pool B bids before Maryville and Maryville still gets into the tournament anyway.

In the 11 years of the Pools system, no Pool B team has ever taken a bid from Pool C.

I understand that Pat, Maryville is not likely to get a Pool C bid this year because of the quality of teams eligible for Pool C bids. My point was more for purposes of discussion which Grubb got exactly!  There may be a team from the ODAC left home that is better than Maryville this season (if Maryville gets a Pool B bid).  It is not often that you get 3 out of the top 4 teams in the South Region from the same conference!   I just wanted to know how folks felt about it? Is it right? Is it fair?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2010, 02:52:35 PM
well, life ain't fair and the tourney ain't perfect.
i agree with the point that the best teams should be in the tourney, but also believe that if a team in a conference with an AQ has an advantage.  It is simple for them,by the rules, just win your tourney.
Pool B has always been a debated pool, but since D3 is so large, these teams have to be represented.
I would compare it to a highly ranked team getting upset in their conference tourney by a team with a much worse record and then not getting a pool c bid.  Murvul may or may not be better than an ODAC team that gets left home.  but, the ODAC team has an automatic chance to make it and murvul does not.  At this point, fortunately, all the teams have a chance to earn their spot on the court.

2010:  Keep the Streak Alive...Go Scots


BTW, if any of you have been slippin, Timmy Blakeley is my all time favorite fighting scot. (period)  Book it, take it to Vegas, and win with it. He always has been, always will be.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 11, 2010, 04:33:09 PM
I agree that it will be unfortunate that some good Southern teams in an AQ conference do not get in, but as Grubby says they all have the chance to get in by winning their AQ league tournament.  Pool B teams need a chance to play their way in also.  I would rather the Scots be in an AQ league than in the B pool but that is not the case now.  If the recession lasts long enough, maybe the D3 hoops South will reconfigure itself to make this an unnecessary conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 11, 2010, 06:12:42 PM
And maybe Lambert will quit coaching basketball to start the women's lacrosse team at MC.

The southern region is desperately in need of a conference alignment wake up call.

I mean a southern conference (SCAC) that has members not even close to the south region (Colorado College). Only in the world where Texas is a member of the Big 10 does that make any sense ... <listening to radio> ... sigh, never mind
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2010, 08:49:20 PM
Well, we could remove the ODAC and USAC from the South Region if you like. But then it would be pretty darn small.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2010, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 11, 2010, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2010, 10:31:09 AM
No, Wilburt, it can't. The D-III playoff process doesn't work that way.

The only way Maryville takes a Pool C bid away from anyone (and it could be anyone in the nation, not limited to the South Region) is if three teams get Pool B bids before Maryville and Maryville still gets into the tournament anyway.

In the 11 years of the Pools system, no Pool B team has ever taken a bid from Pool C.

I understand that Pat, Maryville is not likely to get a Pool C bid this year because of the quality of teams eligible for Pool C bids. My point was more for purposes of discussion which Grubb got exactly!  There may be a team from the ODAC left home that is better than Maryville this season (if Maryville gets a Pool B bid).  It is not often that you get 3 out of the top 4 teams in the South Region from the same conference!   I just wanted to know how folks felt about it?

Is it right?

Is it fair?

IMHO, it is right and fair.   :)

Pool B is like one big conference.

The number of bids that Pool B is awarded is determined by the access ratio.  The access ratio is the number of schools that are in Pool A conferences, divided by the number of Pool A conferences.  Any portion of the decimal is truncated down to the nearest whole integer.  As the weaker independent teams have formed Pool A conferences, e.g., the NEAC,  the North Atlantic, the merger of the Northern Illinois Iowa Conference and the Lake Michigan Conference into the Northern Athletics Conference, and UMAC and New England Collegiate Conference in 2010-11, the quality of Pool B has gotten better.

I counted three conferences that have no representative in the regional rankings, so at least there are 2 Pool B representatives in the Regional Rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 12, 2010, 08:48:17 AM
Pat,
you would take the ODAC and the USAC out of the south???
Are they not located around the capital of the south???  Richmond, the capital of the southern states.

Also,  remember the saying the south shall rise again?  Look at the ODAC this year, they have risen.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on February 12, 2010, 11:57:03 AM
Was trying to check in on the old members of the GSAC and was looking for some help on Fisk.  I was able to find info on Stillman but Fisk is a mystery. 

It even appears they no longer play Tennessee State.  Can anyone help with a record or anything?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 12, 2010, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Domino on February 12, 2010, 11:57:03 AM
Was trying to check in on the old members of the GSAC and was looking for some help on Fisk.  I was able to find info on Stillman but Fisk is a mystery. 

It even appears they no longer play Tennessee State.  Can anyone help with a record or anything?

Nope  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2010, 04:14:40 PM
Wilburt:  Has the world turned upside down?  You always know what Fisk athletes are up to....

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on February 13, 2010, 12:25:38 AM
Speakin of fisk how about letting Rust in the Conference
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2010, 01:42:44 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 12, 2010, 08:48:17 AM
Pat,
you would take the ODAC and the USAC out of the south???
Are they not located around the capital of the south???  Richmond, the capital of the southern states.

Also,  remember the saying the south shall rise again?  Look at the ODAC this year, they have risen.

That was a hypothetical.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2010, 01:47:10 AM
Quote from: wilburt on February 12, 2010, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Domino on February 12, 2010, 11:57:03 AM
Was trying to check in on the old members of the GSAC and was looking for some help on Fisk.  I was able to find info on Stillman but Fisk is a mystery. 

It even appears they no longer play Tennessee State.  Can anyone help with a record or anything?

Nope  :D

Fisk is a thrilling 0-16, according to the NAIA site.

http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&conference=NAIMBB2_IND&division=NAIMBB2&team=14966

But it's really 0-17. The no-report game against Rust is a 104-79 Rust win, according to D3hoops.com:

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RUST/m/2010

That's probably why Wilburt ain't talking.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 13, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2010, 01:47:10 AM
That's probably why Wilburt ain't talking.

F---king Brilliant Pat Coleman :D You deserve a Guinness Beer for that comment!

Forget about it RustCollege they will NEVER let you in the GSAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 13, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
Here's the Guiness Beer for Pat Coleman  :D

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/dfhgqxrmcw--Guinness-BrilliantGuinness-beer-

Cheers Pat!

Just a few years ago you complained about getting Fisk scores.  You don't seem to have any problem with that now!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2010, 03:08:40 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 13, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
Here's the Guiness Beer for Pat Coleman  :D

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/dfhgqxrmcw--Guinness-BrilliantGuinness-beer-

Cheers Pat!

Just a few years ago you complained about getting Fisk scores.  You don't seem to have any problem with that now!
Is there are different reporting requirements in the NAIA versus D3?

Is there a change in the mechanism for reporting from Fisk?

Is there a new SID at Fisk?

Lots of variables in that question.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on February 13, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2010, 03:08:40 PM
Lots of variables in that question.  ;)

It was meant to be sarcastic Ralph  ::)

Now there are a lot of unspoken variables in RustCollege's question, that no one seems to want to address head on.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on February 13, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
Are you referring to the racist Randy Lambert?  Or the racist GSAC in general?  Because you flat out said Randy Lambert was a racist with nothing to back your claim up with. 

1)  If an Irishman is invited into a club, but after a few years of not adhering to his end of the bargain in terms of being a member of the club, the Irishman  quits the club or is encouraged to leave the club by the very person or persons that invited him in the first place, does that make that person or persons that invited them racist against Irish people? 

2)  If, hypothetically, Randy Lambert were black, would you have called him a racist?  Or did you call him a racist because he is white, which would, actually, be judging him based upon the color of his skin?

3)  Isn't Spelman still in the GSAC?

Things are not always black and white...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2010, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: wilburt on February 13, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2010, 03:08:40 PM
Lots of variables in that question.  ;)

It was meant to be sarcastic Ralph  ::)

Now there are a lot of unspoken variables in RustCollege's question, that no one seems to want to address head on.  :D
A big question is travel.

Unfortunately, Rust has no travel partner (some team that is less than 100 miles away.)  Here are the distances from
Rust to:

Huntingdon 283 miles
LaGrange   344 miles
Piedmont   420 milles
Maryville    431 miles.

This group of schools did not want UDallas and Thomas More, when they were looking at a place to join (to provide the GSAC men with the AQ.)

I wonder if Rust would be more "valuable" as a conference member, if there were a travel partner nearly (say a Crichton in Memphis) and Rust had football.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2010, 01:05:32 AM
I think Rust needs to work on its athletic department infrastructure a little bit more in order to make itself attractive to a conference.

When you can't even get a roster of a team, let alone stats or video for scouting, it's not exactly an even partnership.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 14, 2010, 11:11:21 PM
no one addressed the fact that Randy Lambert would throw his native american player out of practice about once a month.

We have established that Randy kicked fisk out b/c he is a racist.  It had nothing to do with their lack of facilities, budget, or athletic department organization.  their baseball field did not have a fence.

LET IT GO!!!

I think coach stennis does an admirable job at rust.  I am not sure I have ever seen a coach more committed to their program than Coach Stennis.  he keeps his team competitive with humble means.  I wish Rust was a viable option, but they have those same questions.  Facilities, budget, and organization.

Although, it is possible to win a national title at Rust.  check the record books.  (hint women's)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on February 15, 2010, 12:20:06 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 14, 2010, 11:11:21 PM
no one addressed the fact that Randy Lambert would throw his native american player out of practice about once a month.

We have established that Randy kicked fisk out b/c he is a racist.  It had nothing to do with their lack of facilities, budget, or athletic department organization.  their baseball field did not have a fence.

LET IT GO!!!

I think coach stennis does an admirable job at rust.  I am not sure I have ever seen a coach more committed to their program than Coach Stennis.  he keeps his team competitive with humble means.  I wish Rust was a viable option, but they have those same questions.  Facilities, budget, and organization.

Although, it is possible to win a national title at Rust.  check the record books.  (hint women's)
Yea but let them in  for basketball ,volleyeball, and baseball or just basketball an see how dat go
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on February 15, 2010, 12:24:13 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2010, 01:05:32 AM
I think Rust needs to work on its athletic department infrastructure a little bit more in order to make itself attractive to a conference.

When you can't even get a roster of a team, let alone stats or video for scouting, it's not exactly an even partnership.
you can get video because dey tape all home games live an be on da radio live just call in for a tape if you want to see.... rust do hav a mass com dept
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2010, 01:15:58 AM
I know one coach that played Rust's women's team did not find it quite so easy to get anything, even a roster. I'm not sure anyone wants that kind of athletic department in their conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2010, 11:05:58 AM
Here is link to a nice article about MC's Greg Hernandez:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3360

He is putting up numbers that should get him serious consideration for national honors.  It is a great D3 story of wanting to be good enough to actually work hard at it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 15, 2010, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 15, 2010, 11:05:58 AM
Here is link to a nice article about MC's Greg Hernandez:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3360

He is putting up numbers that should get him serious consideration for national honors.  It is a great D3 story of wanting to be good enough to actually work hard at it.

Hernandez is a great story ... his success is impressive in it's own right.  But how he has worked to get there is even more impressive. 

Maybe it's just because I'm an old f--t, I mean Lion.  But, it seems to me that way too many people are focused primarily on short term gratification and are unwilling to pay the price to reach longer term goals.  Nice job, Greg.

IMHO, Hernandez is the clear favorite for gsac POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2010, 01:32:09 PM
Obviously I agree with you, old_lion.

I can think of a few other Scots whom I wish would follow Greg's lead.  D3 schools do not often get kids with the size, speed, and skills of their more famous D1 brothers and sisters, but there is no "natural effort deficiency" for D3 athletes. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 15, 2010, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 15, 2010, 01:32:09 PM
I can think of a few other Scots whom I wish would follow Greg's lead. 

I can think of more than a few people whom I wish would follow that example.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 16, 2010, 09:57:43 AM
OK ... I know you have all been eagerly awaiting my opinion on what the all-gsac team should be.  (Not to be confused with what I think it will be.)  First given ... we pick by position ... because any other approach would be sort of silly.

So here goes ...

First team:
The first 4 are easy ... PG - Coppage (his 1.87 Points Per Shot tops even Hernandez ... hard to believe this guy once played behind Bo (volume shooter) Mason), Wings - Watson and Cromwell, and at one Big - Hernandez(the POY).  Picking the second Big is a tough call.  IMHO, it a toss up between Whitfield and Herebia.
 
Second Team:
Bigs - Williams  (gotta love his shot blocking)  and Whitfield or Herebia, Wings - Rubio and Sprouse.  The 2nd team PG is a really tough call.  I think it is almost a dead heat between Laverdiere, Damron, and Chatman.  They are all good and they all have different style games.  But, I'm going with Laverdiere because you gotta love that 3 to 1 assist to TO ratio ... and he has been under rated for 4 years now.

On The Bubble: (Any one of them could easily crack the top 10.)
PG - Damron or Chatman, Wings - Lambert  and Hudson, Bigs - Vaughn (just a freshman - s/b one of the top inside guys in the gsac next year.)

And a special shout out to Tracy Gardner. He is not the type of guy that is going to make an all-gsac team ... but he is a winner.  If I'm not mistaken, he is the guy that made 2 FTs to send the Murvul game into OT.  He is a solid synergy guy (PC's leading rebounder and a top defender) who does all the little things that help you win.  PC is 2 and 2 (0 and 2 in the gsac) since they lost him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 16, 2010, 10:14:33 AM
The numbers behind my selections ...

Preliminary all-gsac teams
     Player        FG Pct 3 Pct FT Pct     rpg ppg    PPS  apg tpg   spg bpg

First team:

Point Coppage   44.6% 53.3% 87.6%   1.8 10.0   1.87   3.2 2.7   1.1 0.0
Wings Watson   40.9% 35.1% 82.3%   4.0 16.6   1.29   2.5 2.4   2.2 0.4
        Cromwell 43.8% 38.6% 75.0%   4.9 13.6   1.03   1.0 2.0   0.2 1.4
Bigs Hernandez   60.3% 0.0% 80.0%   9.6 19.9   1.58   1.7 2.8   1.1 1.0
tie - Whitfield     51.8% 0.0% 66.2%   8.0 16.2   1.38   1.8 2.7   0.9 0.8
tie - Herebia      55.7% 52.9% 77.1%  5.6 14.2   1.38   0.7 1.1   1.1 0.3

Second team:
Point Laverdiere 48.9% 46.7% 77.3%   1.6  3.2  1.49    3.0 1.0   1.3 0.1
Wings Sprouse   47.3% 27.5% 69.9%   5.2 13.6   1.29   2.5 4.2   2.0 0.4
              Rubio 40.8% 40.6% 79.7%  2.3 13.7   1.53   1.7 1.6   1.3 0.2
Bigs       Williams 49.7% 11.1% 57.9%  5.3  9.3   1.30   0.7 2.0   0.9 2.6

On the bubble:
Point tie - Damron  41.5% 36.1% 86.1%  1.8  8.4   1.30    4.1 1.7   1.3 0.0
      tie - Chatman 48.3% 37.9% 66.7%  3.6 10.0   1.27   1.7 1.6   1.7 0.7
Wings      Lambert  43.1% 39.6% 59.3%  2.6 10.4   1.21   2.8 1.2   1.6 0.0
               Hudson 34.2% 30.3% 80.0%  3.2 11.0   0.98   0.9 1.4   1.2 0.2
Bigs          Vaughn  42.1% 15.4% 72.4%  7.3  8.0   1.20   1.3 1.8   0.8 0.5
               Gardner  44.0% 27.3% 58.8%  6.2  4.8   1.23   1.4 0.9   0.8 0.6

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 16, 2010, 11:57:29 AM
When Covenant joins the GSAC does the All-GSAC team expand to 10?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 16, 2010, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: bballlover on February 16, 2010, 11:57:29 AM
When Covenant joins the GSAC does the All-GSAC team expand to 10?

According to currently existing logic, they will ... and then, when Berry joins, I guess they'll go to 12.   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 16, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
come on now
Obviously Hernandez will be POY and the scots will win another GSAC championships, these are not arguments.

why fisk was ejected from the conference is not an argument either.  it was obvious.
Why Rust will not be admitted is obvious as well.

Let's get some arguments going on here.

With only 4 teams, it is hard to get an all conference team, especially when Maryville has 5 or 6 guys that are better than anyone else in the conference and most of the selections are based on numbers.
Williamson and McGill are players and would be a great addition and probably have all conference numbers on any other gsac team.
Coppage would not have all gsac numbers at MC.
the grubby one would have all gsac numbers at any gsac school.
The Jackroberts aka the sitch is a bum. ( this is a fact)

Old Lion, lets argue over those statements about who would and would not have all conference numbers on different teams.  And lets agree on the sitch being a bum.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 17, 2010, 08:04:47 AM
We are obviously not as strong of a conference from top to bottom as the ODAC/USA South/SCAC, but I would be very interested in seeing our 10 best individuals against those three conferences 10 best. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 17, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
That would be very interesting.  The USASouth and ODAC do some sort of game along those lines, I think.  Maybe the GSAC and SCAC could do something like it?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 17, 2010, 10:59:53 AM
This is not basketball related.  It is mainly for wilburt, but you all may find it interesting.

http://www.lagrange.edu/news/JubileeSingers.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2010, 12:08:12 PM
OK coach H, you bring up some points worthy of discussion ... I'll bite.

QuoteObviously the scots will win another GSAC championship.

Obviously, Murvul has been, and still is, the premier program in the gsac.  You imply that they are superior in every way ... better players, better coaches, better winning tradition, etc. etc.  While I don't disagree that most, if not all, of that is true, I think you overstate the case ... especially with regard to the quality of players.

QuoteMaryville has 5 or 6 guys that are better than anyone else in the conference

I strongly disagree with that statement.  Yeah, Murvul usually has the best talent. But in the years I'm familiar with, no way has Murvul ever had the 5 or 6 best guys in the gsac.  If that were the case, how did PC upset MC this year?  If MC had the 5 or 6 best players in the gym, then Glenn must have been a lot better coach than Lambert that day ... Is that what you think happened?  Maybe he did out coach Lambert that day ... I don't know.  But, I don't think PC could have overcome the talent gap, if MC had the 6 best players.

But back to the talent issue ...  MC always has the best depth, the best overall talent (In other words, MC's second 5 could probably start somewhere in the gsac) ... but they have never had all the best players.  IMHO, over the last few years, the rest of the gsac has always had a handful of really good players that could have successfully competed for playing time at MC.

Regarding ...
QuoteCoppage would not have all gsac numbers at MC.
the grubby one would have all gsac numbers at any gsac school.

Those statements seem to imply, in general, that good, non-Murval players couldn't get the PT at Murvul to be outstanding, and conversly, Murvul players could go elsewhere and be stars. I'm sure that line of reasoning has some validity ... but, there are always at least two sides to every issue.

Here is another side ...  maybe it is not quite as easy, as you seem to imply, for a good player to still be as good, with less help.  Basketball is, after all, ultimately a team game.

You don't think it is easier for a good player to excel in a better program, with better coaches, surrounded by teammates that are, on average, better than the opposition?

Take a typical PG, for instance ... put him on a better team, with a more efficient offense, with teammates who are better finishers ... you don't think it would be easier for him to get more assists and less T/Os?  In short, to look better, both on the court and on paper ...  Would Laverdiere have that killer assist to T/O ratio anywhere else in the gsac?

Take a typical big time scorer ... put him in a situation where he has more help ... put him in a situation where the other team isn't always focusing primarily on stopping him.  You don't think that should enable him to be a more efficient scorer?  (Don't you think his PG would have an easier time getting him the ball if everyone in the frickin gym didn't know where the ball was likely to go.  It s/b easier for everyone's #s to look better, on a better team.) Theoretically, shouldn't his PPS #s go up?  That point is one of the strongest arguments for Coppage.

I think Hernandez is the POY.  He is 6'6, as opposed to the 5'10 Coppage ... and, according to you, he has vastly superior teammates. Look at the PPS #s ... (by the way, Rubio is 3rd among the all-gsac candidates at 1.53 PPS.)  You don't think Greg has been set up for a lot more easy opportunities than Sam has?  That 1.87 PPS is extremely impressive ... especially considering their respective, overall situations.

Player         FG Pct 3 Pct  FT Pct   rpg ppg    PPS    apg tpg  spg bpg
Coppage      44.6% 53.3% 87.6%   1.8 10.0   1.87   3.2 2.7   1.1 0.0
Hernandez    60.3%  0.0% 80.0%   9.6 19.9   1.58   1.7 2.8   1.1 1.0

And, Sam is only playing 19.8 mpg, PC is much more Murvul-like in their depth this year.  IMHO, that is the biggest single factor in their improved record this season.

If the significance of those PPS #s don't jump out at you ... well, I can't think of a diplomatic comment, if that's the case.




Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2010, 12:20:11 PM
But, none of the above will really matter, when it comes to all-gsac selections.  We both know the gsac brain trust has never given the issue that much thoughtful consideration. Here is my prediction as to what they will come up with ...

All-Conference Team
Greg Hernandez, Maryville, SR, C, Miami, Fla., 19.9 ppg, 9.6 rpg.
Eryk Watson, Maryville, JR, G, Powder Springs, Ga., 16.6 ppg., 4.0 rpg.
Nic Whitfield, LaGrange, JR, F, Stockbridge, Ga., 16.2 ppg., 8.0 rpg.
J.C. Herebia, Piedmont, SR, F, Pharr, Texas, 14.2 ppg, 5.6 rpg.
Michael Rubio, Piedmont, SR, G, Cumming, Ga., 13.7 ppg., 2.3 rpg.
Reggie Sprouse, Huntingdon, SR, G, Montgomery, Ala., 13.6 ppg., 5.2 rpg.
Joe Cromwell, LaGrange, SR, G, Atlanta, Ga., 13.6 ppg., 4.9 rpg.
Ephriam Hudson, Huntingdon, JR, G, Montgomery, Ala., 11.0 ppg., 3.2 rpg.


Of course, this is subject to change should someone else break into the top 8 in scoring ... sigh ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 16, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
Coppage would not have all gsac numbers at MC.

Sam doesn't have all gsac numbers at PC.  But, a lot more than just numbers, should be considered.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 17, 2010, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 17, 2010, 12:08:12 PM
OK coach H, you bring up some points worthy of discussion ... I'll bite.

Coach H,

My bad.  I read carelessly this morning ... or maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me. After all, I am an old Lion. 

But anyway, I mistakenly thought Grubbs comments were yours ...  Now that I reread them, I see that they were a little "plain spoken" for you.  I now recognize Grubb's distinctive style.   :D

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 17, 2010, 07:24:21 PM
The Grubby one would be POY this year and every year, that is why The Grubby one is the undisputed king of the gsac
It is tough get good numbers on the murvul team, there is only one ball, but the individual talent of the role players does not need to be missed. Damron, Mcgill, and Lambert will put up big numbers next year and they could do it now, but there is only one ball.
That is why i like rebounds and steals.  you can get those any time.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on February 18, 2010, 02:18:24 AM
I know they not n your conference but what yall think of these two players  from Rust College i know some of yall seen them play some of the teams in the GSAC

#40 Larry Veasley(Low Post)

Games played: 21
Minutes/game: 26.5
Points/game: 15.2
FG Pct: 59.7
3FG Pct: 0.0
FT Pct: 70.0

Rebounds/game: 8.8
Assists/game: 0.7
Turnovers/game: 1.6
Assist/turnover ratio: 0.5
Steals/game: 1.0
Blocks/game: 0.4

#23 Markeith Wilson

Games played: 23
Minutes/game: 24.9
Points/game: 15.4
FG Pct: 49.2
3FG Pct: 40.7
FT Pct: 52.3

Rebounds/game: 2.8
Assists/game: 1.0
Turnovers/game: 1.5
Assist/turnover ratio: 0.7
Steals/game: 1.2
Blocks/game: 0.1
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 18, 2010, 10:45:21 AM
The only time I saw Rust this year was at Maryville.  Wilson was 1 - 4 with no rebounds and 7 points in 15 minutes.  Veasley was 4 - 9 with 10 rebounds and 8 points and no assists with 4 turnovers in 22 minutes.   They must have done better elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 18, 2010, 11:39:37 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 17, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
That would be very interesting.  The USASouth and ODAC do some sort of game along those lines, I think.  Maybe the GSAC and SCAC could do something like it?
The USASAC and the ODAC have a postseason (after the Final Four) game with seniors only ... not always the best players in the league that year, but certainly many of them are.  They alternate venues between the two conferences and also have a women's game to complete the double-header.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 19, 2010, 10:17:50 AM
Nice article in Blount Today by Stefan Cooper about the Piedmont-Maryville games this weekend:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3369
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 19, 2010, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 16, 2010, 09:57:43 AM
And a special shout out to Tracy Gardner. He is not the type of guy that is going to make an all-gsac team ... but he is a winner.  If I'm not mistaken, he is the guy that made 2 FTs to send the Murvul game into OT.  He is a solid synergy guy (PC's leading rebounder and a top defender) who does all the little things that help you win.  PC is 2 and 2 (0 and 2 in the gsac) since they lost him.

I'm afraid it appears I was on to something re Gardner's synergistic value to the team.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/2/17/02_17_10_mball.aspx?path=mbball

Lions were 13 - 6 with Gardner ... and are now 2 - 3 since losing him.  And to be honest, those two wins were not against the toughest competition.  (Not to overstate the case, but the Lion's would have won those two with me taking Tracy's place in the starting lineup.  Hey, I can still move the ball and hit the open jumper ... sometimes.  And ... I could take it to the hole while my defender was on the floor laughing. :D )

But, I digress.  Good luck Lions ... in bouncing back and finishing a good season on a strong note.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 19, 2010, 05:16:55 PM
Old_Lion will we see your smiling face at Murvul?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotfan on February 20, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
MC 96, Piedmont 62

Congratulations Scots on another GSAC regular season title!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2010, 11:13:19 AM
If the Scots can play defense like they did for the first half of the Piedmont game, they could win several more games, including beyond next weekend.
The Lions had 19 points at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 21, 2010, 12:28:30 PM
OUCHTOWN, population Piedmont Lions, Bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That must have been a beat down, unfortunately the grubby one could not be there, but good for the scots.  Should make the gsac tourney boring and another scots victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Scots!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 22, 2010, 01:26:29 PM
Very proud of the scots for the revenge win! Now Ill only be satisfied if they win the next 19 against piedmont which i believe is what the series was 19-0?? Its the best time of the season now and our boys seem to be on a little bit of a roll. Hopefully the the good shooting will continue and the offense stays solid but if not i wanted to remind our scots that its defensive performances like the one in the first half against piedmont that keeps you advancing! Hopefully they stay ultra aggressive on the defensive end because it makes the rest of the game easier!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSID on February 22, 2010, 05:12:39 PM
GSAC basketball tournament begins Tuesday with women's first round games
GSAC Sports Information
The 2010 Great South Athletic Conference Championship Tournament begins Tuesday with two women's first round games. The tournament continues Friday and Saturday with the semifinals and championship games at Agnes Scott College in Decatur, Ga.

The women's first round games will be played at the higher seed. Third-seeded Piedmont hosts sixth-seeded Salem and fourth-seeded Agnes Scott hosts fifth-seeded Spelman. Game time is 7 p.m. for both games.

Friday Schedule
1 p.m. Women's Semifinal
#1 Maryville vs. Agnes Scott/Spelman winner
3 p.m. Men's Semifinal
#1 Maryville vs. #4 Huntingdon
* 5:30 p.m. Women's Semifinal
#2 LaGrange vs. Piedmont/Salem winner
7:30 p.m. Men's Semifinal
#2 Piedmont vs. #3 LaGrange

* Agnes Scott, if playing Friday, will play the 5:30 game regardless of seed.

Saturday Schedule
2 p.m. Women's Championship Game
4 p.m. Men's Championship Game

All of the games at Agnes Scott College on Friday and Saturday will be available on FREE live video and audio at www.pennatlantic.com (Look under Agnes Scott College)

Ticket Prices
Children age 5 and under are free
$15- Adult General Admission Tournament Pass
$10- Adult General Admission Single Day Pass
$8 - Student/Senior General Admission Tournament Pass (with ID)
$5 - Student/Senior General Admission Single Day Pass (with ID)
There are no team pass lists allowed for the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 23, 2010, 05:16:19 PM
Four seasons and just when Im ready to go back to a place I know a bit, we're going to Agnes Scott? Do they even have a boys locker room for the teams?
But at least its Atlanta. So who else is making the trip down this weekend for the tourneys?

I believe we're going to be able to get some extra stuff up the web, but I'll post it here what we'll be offering once its definite.

Ralph, its been a bit but my point about South Region is that because of the focal centers at the edges VA NC TX and the middle (GA) being split up everywhere that its been a recipe for disaster. That vast open space of TN where MC and Rhodes are farther apart than if MC was in ODAC is just an example. The SCAC has/had other options for expansion and went out of region (and I hope everytime they have to fly to Col for a game their ADs feel a small tinge of 'what were we thinking') If you started from scatch you could make some decent conferences that keep most traditional rivalries alive and make economic travel sense, but that's a little dream world I know.

And for Wilburt, fresh off the AP Wire
Supreme Court will not hear case on Fisk artwork
NASHVILLE  — Tennessee's Supreme Court has declined to hear an appeal of a lower court ruling that a New Mexico museum has no rights to an art collection at Fisk University in Nashville.
The financially struggling university had asked the Chancery Court in Nashville for permission to sell two of the works from its Stieglitz collection. The 101 works were donated to Fisk by the late painter Georgia O'Keeffe. The Georgia O'Keeffe Museum in Santa Fe, New Mexico, had filed suit.
The school later proposed a $30 million arrangement to share the collection with the Crystal Bridges Museum in Bentonville, Ark.
Tennessee's Court of Appeals ruled in July the museum has no standing in court.
It is now up to the Chancery Court to decide whether Fisk can sell any of the work.
The Supreme Court issued its decision on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 24, 2010, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 17, 2010, 12:20:11 PM
But, none of the above will really matter, when it comes to all-gsac selections.  We both know the gsac brain trust has never given the issue that much thoughtful consideration. Here is my prediction as to what they will come up with ...

All-Conference Team
Greg Hernandez, Maryville, SR, C, Miami, Fla., 19.9 ppg, 9.6 rpg.
Eryk Watson, Maryville, JR, G, Powder Springs, Ga., 16.6 ppg., 4.0 rpg.
Nic Whitfield, LaGrange, JR, F, Stockbridge, Ga., 16.2 ppg., 8.0 rpg.
J.C. Herebia, Piedmont, SR, F, Pharr, Texas, 14.2 ppg, 5.6 rpg.
Michael Rubio, Piedmont, SR, G, Cumming, Ga., 13.7 ppg., 2.3 rpg.
Reggie Sprouse, Huntingdon, SR, G, Montgomery, Ala., 13.6 ppg., 5.2 rpg.
Joe Cromwell, LaGrange, SR, G, Atlanta, Ga., 13.6 ppg., 4.9 rpg.
Ephriam Hudson, Huntingdon, JR, G, Montgomery, Ala., 11.0 ppg., 3.2 rpg.


Of course, this is subject to change should someone else break into the top 8 in scoring ... sigh ...


Also,
QuoteSam doesn't have all gsac numbers at PC.  But, a lot more than just numbers, should be considered.

Well, I'm amazed ... the gsac brain trust didn't just pick the top 8 scorers.  It's a shame that it's taken them this long to recognize that a guy can be one of the league's best, most valuable, without being one of the top scorers.  That's progress, I guess ...

Now I can't wait for that 5th team to join, so I can quit looking at these silly, 8 man teams.

The recently announced gsac All-Conference Team:
Samuel Coppage, Piedmont, SR, G, Ringgold, Ga.
Joe Cromwell, LaGrange, SR, G, Atlanta, Ga.
J.C. Herebia, Piedmont, SR, F, Pharr, Texas,
Greg Hernandez, Maryville, SR, C, Miami, Fla.
Michael Rubio, Piedmont, JR, G, Cumming, Ga.
Reggie Sprouse, Huntingdon, SR, G, Montgomery, Ala.
Eryk Watson, Maryville, JR, G, Powder Springs, Ga.
Nic Whitfield, LaGrange, JR, F, Stockbridge, Ga.

Top Scorers:
SCORING                      GP FG 3FG FT Points Avg/G
1. Greg Hernandez-MCM  24 183 1 113 480 20.0
2. Eryk Watson-MCM  25 133 36 115 417 16.7
3. Nic Whitfield-LCM  25 151 0 102 404 16.2
4. Herebia, J.C.-PCM  25 146 9 58 359 14.4
5. Joe Cromwell-LCM  25 144 23 33 344 13.8
6. Rubio, Michael-PCM  25 90 42 115 337 13.5
7. Reggie Sprouse-HCM  21 104 14 59 281 13.4
8. Ephraim Hudson-HCM  23 91 52 24 258 11.2
9. Wes Lambert-MCM  25 89 56 16 250 10.0
10. Coppage, Samuel-PCM  23 53 25 91 222 9.7


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 24, 2010, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: old_lion on February 24, 2010, 11:05:40 AM
That's progress, I guess ...

More kudos for the gsac brain trust ... in the past, I think they have put too much emphasis on the teams' W/L records when selecting all-gsac.  They seemed to have adhered to the formula of ...
  Best record - 3 guys
  Next two - 2 guys each
  Worst record - 1 guy

Had they done that again this year, either Whitfield or Cromwell would have been left off ... and they both were clearly deserving.  So, on that point, way to go guys.

However, I do think they missed an opportunity to award the COY to someone other than Lambert.  I think a strong case can made for Coach Glenn.  His 07-08 class was the backbone of PC's program for 4 years ... and PC struggled greatly without them in 08-09.  Seems to me, Glenn deserved some recognition for the substantial progress PC made this season.  I also think you would have seen a much stronger finish to their season, had they not lost Gardner 6 games ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 24, 2010, 04:03:14 PM
Not only does Piedmont get 3 guys on the all conference team, old lion wants coach of the year also!? Unless another team can either sweep maryville, win the gsac championship, or earn 20+ wins then Coach Lambert should and deservingly so win COY! Its starting to get reeaaal deep in here.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on February 24, 2010, 04:06:06 PM
And congratulations Greg on earning POY! You deserve every bit of it!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 24, 2010, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: THE jackroberts on February 24, 2010, 04:03:14 PM
Not only does Piedmont get 3 guys on the all conference team, old lion wants coach of the year also!? Unless another team can either sweep maryville, win the gsac championship, or earn 20+ wins then Coach Lambert should and deservingly so win COY! Its starting to get reeaaal deep in here.

Heck, Jack ... in light of Murvul's historical dominance, if any other coach can beat RDL once, don't you think he deserves COY?   ;D

QuoteAnd congratulations Greg on earning POY! You deserve every bit of it!
I'm with you on that one.

QuotePiedmont get 3 guys on the all conference team
Not that I think that, considered individually, any of the 3 were undeserving ... but that the gsac would actually put 3 from PC and only 2 from MC on there ... well, I'm probably as shocked as you are.

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2010, 07:42:07 PM
i just figured murvul's starting 5 would be the all conference team
they would beat the 5 best players from the other 3 gsac teams

And we all know Kendal Wallace was coach of the year

Who really cares about individual awards anyway (spoken like a guy who got one) its the team awards that make for the best experiences.  Sorry the Jackroberts but you can come over to my place and see some real hardware or Greg Hernandez's for that matter.  i would take a second or 3rd weekend of ncaa tourney play over any individual award.

MC better win this tournament by 30+ points per game and then go win some dang NCAA games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 27, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
Congrats to the Scots on their GSAC championship!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 28, 2010, 11:47:52 AM
who cares about the GSAC

Win some dang NCAA games!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2010, 01:35:14 PM
D3Hoops has the Scots hosting Defiance on Friday (Heartland champs) and then the winner goes to, you guessed it, Guilford.   Pat has a sense of huimor.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2010, 01:36:13 PM
He also has a sense of humor.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 10:30:06 AM
Bracket: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 01, 2010, 10:39:56 AM
John Carroll in the NCAA tourney, looks like a  chance for greg to avenge the killer's loss in 2004.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 01, 2010, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 01, 2010, 10:39:56 AM
John Carroll in the NCAA tourney, looks like a  chance for greg to avenge the killer's loss in 2004.
Congratulations to the Scots!  If anyone's coming to Greensboro, let me know.  It should be a great time Friday night!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 01, 2010, 03:25:40 PM
http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20100301/BREAKING/303019973 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20100301/BREAKING/303019973)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on March 01, 2010, 04:27:59 PM
What do our Scots have to do in order to host the opening round of the NCAA tournament?! 22-3 two seasons ago and 23-4 this season and no home tournament game...Whats gotta happen??
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2010, 04:35:29 PM
Not lose to Oglethorpe and Piedmont.  Losing to Guilford can be explained....Maybe even losing to Oglethorpe early can be overlooked, but losing to Piedmont late in the year is a bit more difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on March 01, 2010, 04:55:36 PM
Very True
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 01, 2010, 05:00:46 PM
Even then it would have been tough this season.

I suppose there's a scenario that a 25-2 MC might have hosted, but when you have four ODAC teams in the field, two who obviously deserve to host and did, you might have seen Va. Wesleyan come down instead of going to MD and still put CNU and JCU in the pod, but theres way too many other factors to it.

The loss to Piedmont certainly made easily justifiable as to why MC didn't host, but I don't really see a pod host in the region that anyone could argue MC definitely deserved to host over.

I do think its a bit of ironic humor that should Chapman make the Sweet 16 they're more than likely headed cross country to play an ODAC school. Both Bs in the same quad, that's almost as good as putting Maryville University and Maryville College in the same quad.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on March 01, 2010, 09:26:40 PM
All these decisions are based on money! Perfect example was my senior year. We were the higher seed but had to play Methodist on a Thursday and Mississippi College had a bye and played us Saturday.
Maryville did not deserve to have a home game. The loss to Piedmont did that.

As far as Greg avenging the Killer's loss in 2004 I hope he can. Watts crazy thing is you were there with us on the sideline. PAINFUL!! los by 2 at Wooster in the Sweet 16. WE HAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o

Greg's senior season can go as one the most efficient seasons any Lambert players have ever had. 20ppg, almost 10rpg, 60%FG, and 80%FT line... WOW!!
All American ;D ;D ;D..PRoud of the kid. Has really worked hard. And he is CUBAN!! He is perfect.hahahahahahahahhahaha

Good luck Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: THE jackroberts on March 01, 2010, 10:40:01 PM
Proud could be an understatement roomie! ahh the late night screams!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 10:43:24 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on March 01, 2010, 09:26:40 PM
All these decisions are based on money! Perfect example was my senior year. We were the higher seed but had to play Methodist on a Thursday and Mississippi College had a bye and played us Saturday.
Maryville did not deserve to have a home game.
The loss to Piedmont did that.

As far as Greg avenging the Killer's loss in 2004 I hope he can. Watts crazy thing is you were there with us on the sideline. PAINFUL!! los by 2 at Wooster in the Sweet 16. WE HAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o

Greg's senior season can go as one the most efficient seasons any Lambert players have ever had. 20ppg, almost 10rpg, 60%FG, and 80%FT line... WOW!!
All American ;D ;D ;D..PRoud of the kid. Has really worked hard. And he is CUBAN!! He is perfect.hahahahahahahahhahaha

Good luck Scots
I have a different take on the 2004 season.

It was to Maryville's advantage to get an easy home post-season first round game to get the butterflies out of your system, before the game versus a harder foe, i.e., Mississippi Colllege.

IMHO, the budget issues worked to your advantage.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2010, 10:49:46 AM
The loss piedmont says a lot about this team.  it was on a tough night down in demorest, but do you think there are any easy nights in the NCAA tourney???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2010, 11:45:34 AM
Anyone know the game time on Friday?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 02, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on March 02, 2010, 11:45:34 AM
Anyone know the game time on Friday?
Maryville and John Carroll tip-off at 6 pm EST in Guilford's Ragan-Brown Field House.  Guilford and CNU follow at 8 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 02, 2010, 11:48:26 PM
For those who went or watched on webcast, was I mistaken or did I see LaGrange running a version of the triangle offense at times? If that's going to hang round, and there aren't any academic or financial casualties LC could be a team to watch next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
You saw the triangle at times, which is why we lost.  When we get to the point where we use it more effectively, it could be fun.  When Phil Jackson retires, I am going to hire him as a consultant like he did Tex Winter. Agnes Scott did a great job with the tournament and I felt there was a good atmosphere at all the games.  Good luck to the "Fighting Kendall Wallace's". John Carroll's pressure makes me sweat just thinking about it. I LOVE Rudy Kirbus.  He is the epitamy of D3 Hoops in my opinion. 

We will always be a team to watch. Due mostly to my stricking good looks on the sideline.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 03:35:24 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
You saw the triangle at times, which is why we lost.  When we get to the point where we use it more effectively, it could be fun.  When Phil Jackson retires, I am going to hire him as a consultant like he did Tex Winter. Agnes Scott did a great job with the tournament and I felt there was a good atmosphere at all the games.  Good luck to the "Fighting Kendall Wallace's". John Carroll's pressure makes me sweat just thinking about it. I LOVE Rudy Kirbus.  He is the epitamy of D3 Hoops in my opinion. 

We will always be a team to watch. Due mostly to my stricking good looks on the sideline.
Are "stricking" good looks more or less striking than the usual striking good looks?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 03, 2010, 09:43:26 PM
Way more gooder than striking good looks
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on March 03, 2010, 09:43:26 PM
Way more gooder than striking good looks
Just as I thought!  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2010, 10:32:21 AM
Anybody know if Maryville-JCU is being broadcast by anybody?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2010, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 05, 2010, 10:32:21 AM
Anybody know if Maryville-JCU is being broadcast by anybody?

We have a video broadcast link on our scoreboard now.
http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2010-03-05&team=mens
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2010, 11:24:37 AM
Thanks, Pat.

Do you know if it is set up so an audio-only link is possible?  I only have an aircard for "fast" internet and it does not do the job for the video-laden feeds.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
Is George DeBaby not calling the games for you guys on the radio anymore?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 05, 2010, 11:45:25 AM
Debaby is still on the radio along with Kris "Gary" Sigmund.
Its game day baby!!!!! i wore an MC Bball Tshirt to the office today and my coworkers are just going to have to deal with it.  What comes first:  my job or my love for the scots?????  HMMMM????

GO SCOTS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 05, 2010, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 05, 2010, 11:45:25 AM
Debaby is still on the radio along with Kris "Gary" Sigmund.
Its game day baby!!!!! i wore an MC Bball Tshirt to the office today and my coworkers are just going to have to deal with it.  What comes first:  my job or my love for the scots?????  HMMMM????

GO SCOTS!!!!
I'm going with your love for the Scots!  I'll be in the stands, so I look forward to watching MC meet JCU tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSID on March 05, 2010, 02:43:50 PM
NO live Radio at NCAA Tournament. Live Audio and Video at: http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/index.asp

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 05, 2010, 09:21:26 PM
congrats to greg, jared, and timmy on great careers at MC
Now there are no players at MC with 2nd round NCAA tourney experience

The remaining scots have some work to do this off season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 05, 2010, 09:29:09 PM
A season of great expectations for the Scots is unfulfilled.  I am proud of my Scots, but I know that they are disappointed to go out the way they did.  Congrats to the seniors on a fantastic career.  Hard work over the summer will be required by all to return to the NCAA tournament, though the next year can be different.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on March 05, 2010, 09:36:59 PM
Am I mistaken or does this make 3 years in a row that the Scots are one and done in the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 05, 2010, 10:46:55 PM
That would be correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 05, 2010, 11:05:26 PM
Hey, MC fans.  Congratulations on a fine season.  It was a fun experience in Ragan-Brown tonight.  JCU was clicking on all cylinders tonight, so I think they'll be a handful for Guilford Saturday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2010, 11:24:47 PM
Pretty good season for the Scots.  If they are to do better (and most schools would think how they did is fine), they have to do some work.  Be nice to have some more big people who can play and some aggressive leadership.  John Carroll gets it done with serious and relentless effort.  That characteristic is available to everybody.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 06, 2010, 12:27:42 PM
Just an outsider's view, but I think MC's two trips to Guilford's Ragan-Brown Field House this season (GC in December and versus JCU last night), gave them a glimpse of what it takes to advance deep in the NCAA tournament.  At 23-5, MC had a fine season, but, when the competition got tougher, they got handled pretty easily.  The GSAC simply isn't the ODAC or the OAC.  I realize Maryville's in a tough spot with geography and current conference alignments, but they've got to face tougher teams throughout the season.  Personally, in all sports, I'd like to see Maryville in the ODAC again, but I don't think it'll happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 06, 2010, 11:37:58 PM
Hasanova as you well know, if you can only get in via Pool B, you cannot afford to play a lot of really strong programs during the regular season so when you run into JCU or Guilford in the tournament you are not used to the level of play.  It is a dilemma, for sure. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 07, 2010, 12:28:31 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 06, 2010, 11:37:58 PM
Hasanova as you well know, if you can only get in via Pool B, you cannot afford to play a lot of really strong programs during the regular season so when you run into JCU or Guilford in the tournament you are not used to the level of play.  It is a dilemma, for sure. 
Yeah, I understand, scottiedoug.  If you play a lot of tough teams during the regular season your record will suffer - probably to the point you wouldn't be considered for a Pool B slot in the first place.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: donho on March 07, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
 hasanova, can you direct me to a site that would have all past menbers of the ODAC? I tried the ODAC website but it seems to only have the current members listed.  Or maybe I am not savy enough to navigate the site to get me where I need to be. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 07, 2010, 11:37:04 PM
Quote from: donho on March 07, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
hasanova, can you direct me to a site that would have all past menbers of the ODAC? I tried the ODAC website but it seems to only have the current members listed.  Or maybe I am not savy enough to navigate the site to get me where I need to be. Thanks in advance.
donho, the ODAC site has changed some in the last year or so.  You used to be able to go to individual sports like basketball and check archives.  Maryville, for example, was listed for several years in the 1980's.  There may be some link within the current site that lists ODAC history - I've seen a synopsis before of who the original members were and then who dropped and added as the years went along.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 08, 2010, 04:37:28 PM
I could be wrong, but I've havent heard of MC turning down a home and away series the last few seasons. What was it two years ago they only played 24 because they couldn't get a 25th game? Maybe that'll ease up now that they aren't vying for the Sweet 16 each year.

From what I understand its hard to get an ODAC school to do a home and away over two seasons because they can fill out their conference sked they dont have too many spots left to fill and there's plenty of teams closer.

Did see an ESPN mention of a La. school dropping from D1 to D3, has the ASC grabbed them or could the GSAC go knocking on that door?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2010, 05:01:24 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on March 08, 2010, 04:37:28 PM
I could be wrong, but I've havent heard of MC turning down a home and away series the last few seasons. What was it two years ago they only played 24 because they couldn't get a 25th game? Maybe that'll ease up now that they aren't vying for the Sweet 16 each year.

From what I understand its hard to get an ODAC school to do a home and away over two seasons because they can fill out their conference sked they dont have too many spots left to fill and there's plenty of teams closer.

Did see an ESPN mention of a La. school dropping from D1 to D3, has the ASC grabbed them or could the GSAC go knocking on that door?
Yes, the GSAC might approach them.  It is the University of New Orleans.  

I still think that the USA South is vulnerable to Shenandoah leaving.

I think that the action for the GSAC is still for the men to form the southern division of the USA South, with the women remaining its own conference.  A 10-team GSAC Women's Conference will be solid and fill its schedule easily.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSID on March 09, 2010, 02:51:30 PM
Vote for the Maryville College Men's Basketball Team of the Decade (2000-2010) at the following link.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KY72WQZ (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KY72WQZ)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 17, 2010, 12:05:24 AM
Congratulations to Greg Hernandez for making second team all South Region.
What a great year for him.  Hard work has its rewards, sometimes!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 18, 2010, 08:05:21 AM
For those that may be interested, or never thought that another conference would ever want Fisk (ie Colincondi)!

Fisk University joins Gulf Coast Athletic Conference

March 18, 2010

Hattiesburg, Miss. - The Gulf Coast Athletic Conference has announced the addition of three new members for the 2010-2011 athletic season. The three new members are Voorhees College, Fisk University and Edward Waters College. They join HBCUs Xavier University, Dillard University, Southern University at New Orleans and Tougaloo College for the 2010-2011 season and bring the conference to a total of 13 members.

Kiki Baker Barnes, President of the GCAC, said, "This is great day for the GCAC. I am thrilled about the new schools that are joining us. I am looking forward to the new rivalries and increased spirit that it will bring to all of our schools. I am looking forward to expanding the conference even further in the years to come."

Voorhees College is located in Denmark, South Carolina (www.voorhees.edu), Fisk University is in Nashville, Tennessee (www.fisk.edu) and Edward Waters College is located in Jacksonville, Florida (www.ewc.edu).


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 18, 2010, 05:00:20 PM
Colincondi?  Wilburt is there something else you want to share with us?

Do you think Fisk's athletic program has made any positive changes during these few years in conference limboland?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on March 19, 2010, 07:57:03 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 18, 2010, 05:00:20 PM
Colincondi?  Wilburt is there something else you want to share with us?

No, colincondi knows what I am referring to!

Quote from: scottiedoug on March 18, 2010, 05:00:20 PM
Do you think Fisk's athletic program has made any positive changes during these few years in conference limboland?

Oh yes. Leaving Division III was the beginning of those positive changes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2010, 09:42:06 AM
Quote from: wilburt on March 18, 2010, 08:05:21 AM
For those that may be interested, or never thought that another conference would ever want Fisk (ie Colincondi)!

Fisk University joins Gulf Coast Athletic Conference

March 18, 2010

Hattiesburg, Miss. - The Gulf Coast Athletic Conference has announced (http://www.gcaconf.com/article/4781.php) the addition of three new members for the 2010-2011 athletic season. The three new members are Voorhees College, Fisk University and Edward Waters College. They join HBCUs Xavier University, Dillard University, Southern University at New Orleans and Tougaloo College for the 2010-2011 season and bring the conference to a total of 13 members.

Kiki Baker Barnes, President of the GCAC, said, "This is great day for the GCAC. I am thrilled about the new schools that are joining us. I am looking forward to the new rivalries and increased spirit that it will bring to all of our schools. I am looking forward to expanding the conference even further in the years to come."

Voorhees College is located in Denmark, South Carolina (www.voorhees.edu), Fisk University is in Nashville, Tennessee (www.fisk.edu) and Edward Waters College is located in Jacksonville, Florida (www.ewc.edu).
Thanks wilburt.

Wow, that is a geographical shift to the east for that conference.  I have heard that LSU-Shreveport is moving to the Red River AC (totally appropriate as the Red River bisects that city.)  I need the news release to confirm the rumor.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on March 19, 2010, 12:45:00 PM
Wilburt,

I am glad that Fisk has joined a conference and I hope they do well.  I'm also glad to hear you say that they've made many positive changes to the athletic program.  Just curious, but what are some of those positive changes (besides leaving D III)?

Is Fisk going to be adding some sports or are they going to stick with just three sports (the Fisk website lists men's and women's basketball and women's softball)?

I think Fisk is a great academic institution with a great history.  I don't think they were pulling their weight in terms of athletics (besides men's basketball, in which they were very good) a few years ago in the GSAC.  That has nothing to do with race, and only with results on the fields and courts and some issues of not showing up for scheduled competitions.  I think the charges of racism were unneccasary and unfounded, and feel that calling someone a racist is a serious charge that shouldn't be thrown around lightly.

Best of luck to Fisk in their future endeavors.  I wish them great succes in the GCAC.

Colincondihillary
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSID on March 19, 2010, 06:32:48 PM
Congratulations to Maryville's Greg Hernandez who was named a NABC All-American.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2010, 09:11:37 PM
It looks like there is a re-alignment in the NAIA conferences in the South in 2010-11.

New schools in the  Southern State AC (http://www.ssacsports.com/members.php) include Belhaven, Loyola New Orleans, Spring Hill, William Carey and University of Mobile from the GCAC plus independent Truett-McConnell.

Joining the GCAC in 2010-11 are Fisk and Voorhees who are independents this season.  Edwards Waters joins from the Sun Conference, too.

LSU-Shreveport is not mentioned as a 2010-11 member in the GCAC, so assume my source is correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on March 19, 2010, 10:30:59 PM
Quote from: MCSID on March 19, 2010, 06:32:48 PM
Congratulations to Maryville's Greg Hernandez who was named a NABC All-American.

This is great news.  He worked extremely hard for this.

I wish the NABC would have named 3 teams several years ago as Maryville would have had a few more participants on the All America team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 20, 2010, 11:40:10 PM
Greg also was named D3 Hoops third team All-American.  A higher honor, I think, than the NABC deal.   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 22, 2010, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: colincondi on March 19, 2010, 12:45:00 PM
feel that calling someone a racist is a serious charge that shouldn't be thrown around lightly.

Agreed.  I have felt for quite sometime now, that all too often, the charge of racism is thrown around way too casually and inappropriately.  (And, I feel it is often used disingenuously by some unscrupulous people who seem to have a vested interest in keeping the racism issue alive.  I am NOT referring to Wilburt here.)

That has many negative ramifications ...
* It weakens the credibility of the "race card player".
* It diminishes the impact of real cases of racism, in that it raises the skepticism of the average person when the "race card' is over-played.
* I think it unnecessarily "picks at old scabs" that, IMHO, should have healed long ago.
* Etc. , etc. ...

Moreover, I think it often tends to shift the focus away from the real underlying issues.

We have an awful lot of "crap" going on in this country that we should all be greatly concerned about.  Maybe racism is one of them ... but how high on the priority list should it be? Pointlessly yapping at each other about racial issues is (not always, but many times)  counter productive.  That's my opinion ...

With all due respect to my friend, Wilburt ... I really don't believe race had much ,if any, to do with Fisk's problems in the gsac.

Personally, I hated to see Fisk go.   I always enjoyed playing them in bball and I always enjoyed my trips to Nashville.  I wish they had had more resources to devote to their athletic programs.

I wish them well in their new affiliation.

Also, congrats to Greg for his post season honors.  They are well-deserved.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 22, 2010, 04:53:36 PM
Very proud of Gregg's postseason honor.  He has definitely shown how buying into Randy's philosophy can pay big dividends.  If anyone would have told me that Gregg would have been a starter from MC his freshman year I would not have believed them, but Gregg worked hard and played harder.  Congratulations to him and hopefully he has instilled some of his work effort in the young gun Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 24, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
All,
The GABCA was started 3 years ago by Ponder(OU), Glenn(PC), Zimmerman(EU) and myself(LC).  This year is our first state all star game.  I am posting the rosters just in case there is interest to view this event.  If you are curious about this little endeavor of ours, you can find a link on the Piedmont basketball website.  The game will start at 7:30 on Saturday, March 27th at Oglethorpe. 

Light Jerseys                                                                            Dark Jerseys                                       
Bernard Rimmer (North Georgia)                                            Andrew Bennett (North Georgia)
Lee Trebotich (Berry)                                                              Jaquas Dobbs (Clayton)
Wil Blackwell (Berry)                                                              Robert Murray (Clayton)
Chris Telesford (Columbus State)                                            J.C. Herebia (Piedmont)
Brandon Bland (Columbus State)                                            Chad Hixon (Emory)
David Allison (Oglethorpe)                                                      Dan Curtain (Emory)
Jake Rios (Georgia College)                                                     Anthony Fernandez (Emory)
Mike Creppy (Clark Atlanta)                                                   Graham Martin (Georgia College)
Jonathan Belt (Clark Atlanta)                                                   Ty Rowland (Georgia College)
Joe Cromwell (LaGrange)                                                        Avery Morris (Emmanuel)
Jasmine Rogers (Southern Poly)                                              Shawn Courtney (Emmanuel


Sorry this didn't paste very nice but I really don't have time to pretty it up for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 20, 2010, 05:49:24 PM
Maryville announces several recruits:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3505

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3506
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 21, 2010, 06:47:36 PM
A couple more Maryville recruits:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3509

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3508

I think Rivera's high school coach was a former Maryville Scot, Babatu Willingham, so he comes having some sense of what is expected of him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 22, 2010, 10:14:52 PM
Another Maryville commitment/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3512

Looks like RDL has several "projects" coming in.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 23, 2010, 05:44:13 PM
Another Maryville commitment.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3515

We are still waiting for the big guys who are ready to contribute next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 26, 2010, 05:42:31 PM
More Maryville recruiting results:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3525

Maybe the Scots can trade some guards for some size!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 29, 2010, 02:37:26 PM
More Scotties guards:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3533

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3532

RDL hopes one will have an "immediate impact." 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 05, 2010, 02:43:56 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/The-unlikeliest-NBA-hopeful-on-the-early-entry-l?urn=ncaab,237955


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 06, 2010, 11:07:38 AM
Hey coach!  Do you always try to recruit people with senses of humor?  Makes sense to me....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 07, 2010, 02:35:12 PM
Yeah, only short guys have a sense of humor.  That's why our roster looks the way it does.  Big guys are just no fun.

Seriously, as a coach if you can't keep a sense of humor about your situation, it can lead to some bad ulcers.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on May 07, 2010, 11:50:04 PM
This is so legit!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 20, 2010, 09:57:49 AM
Another Maryville guard.  Seems that the Scots are having a lean year for recruits that RDL thinks can help any time soon.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3563
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on May 20, 2010, 12:05:04 PM
The Scots don't have many holes to fill.Wish I could say the same about The Lions.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 20, 2010, 03:40:19 PM
I agree that the Scots do not have many holes to fill.  But one big one is that created by losing Greg Hernandez.  Maverick Willett is pretty much "it" for experienced post players, especially ones with enough size to take up and create space and an inside threat.

Like every other D3 fan (except at Guilford), I was hoping for a couple of Big People recruits who could help out soon.  I am pretty sure Coach Lambert would welcome such a thing even more than I would!

This is a tough time for recruiting.  It costs a lot of money to go to Maryville, even with significant financial aid, and Big People are scarce enough without them also having to come from financial situations that can help them turn down scholarships from the NAIA/DII world.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on May 20, 2010, 09:29:38 PM
Well, I agree to a point. One might say that with Hernandez, He is why you don't have more experience at the post.That's the "nature of the beast" so to speak.You do have Willett and that's not too shabby.You also have a couple of big guys on the roster.So,I don't think anyone will cry many tears for The Scots if they don't score a "big time" post.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 21, 2010, 09:32:36 AM
Certainly not anyone from Piedmont!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 22, 2010, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 20, 2010, 03:40:19 PM
I agree that the Scots do not have many holes to fill.  But one big one is that created by losing Greg Hernandez.  Maverick Willett is pretty much "it" for experienced post players, especially ones with enough size to take up and create space and an inside threat.

Like every other D3 fan (except at Guilford), I was hoping for a couple of Big People recruits who could help out soon.  I am pretty sure Coach Lambert would welcome such a thing even more than I would!

This is a tough time for recruiting.  It costs a lot of money to go to Maryville, even with significant financial aid, and Big People are scarce enough without them also having to come from financial situations that can help them turn down scholarships from the NAIA/DII world.
Hey, Guilford still wants more Big People!  We lost Tyler Sanborn to graduation and, even though we have two more in the wings, you're always reloading!  Any 6'10" guys out there who want to go to the Final Four?  :)  We're going to break through the semifinals and win this thing sooner or later!

All kidding aside, I saw Maryville play twice this year - both times on Guilford's court - once against the Quakers and once in the NCAAs.  Against truly top-flight teams, the Scots were undermanned inside.  I hope MC can get a good-quality big man for the 2010-11 season.  It's not essential to be a top DIII program, but it certainly gives you a "big" advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on May 27, 2010, 07:56:18 AM
Piedmont gets a guard.http://daltondailycitizen.com/sports/x2023222118/Prep-basketball-Clark-makes-point-at-Piedmont
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2010, 08:31:38 PM
I posted this on another board.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2010, 07:56:06 PM
From a blog by NAIA guru Jason Dannelly (http://www.collegefanz.com/people/jasondannelly/blog/2009/02/17/the-future-of-the-naia-part-2-of-3),

Quote...

The changing of conferences and divisions has created a ripple effect in the NAIA. Virginia-Wise joining the Mid South reduced the number of members of the Appalachian Athletic Conference for the upcoming year. Covenant also appears to be leaving the AAC for NCAA DIII and King College will be moving to NCAA DII. Montreat College is unsure of what its future in the conference might be. The school located in Montreat, N.C. is a school stuck between a rock and a hard place as they try to determine what is best for their institution overall. The school recently announced they will move away from awarding athletic scholarships and are contemplating a move to NCAA DIII. The potential moves in the conference could take the AAC from ten this last season to six in the near future.
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Distances from Montreat to ... (http://www.montreat.edu/Home/AboutMontreat/CampusDirections/tabid/124/Default.aspx)

Three miles off I-40 and 15 miles from Asheville NC, they are between the GSAC and the USA South.

We can look for their name on the exploratory list this summer.

Has anyone in the GSAC heard anything about Montreat exploring D-III?

I think that Atlanta Christian and Montreat would make great additions. Let's see if their names are on the list of exploratory teams when the NCAA releases the names later in the summer.

Please!  Don't get your hopes up!  I know nothing.  This is just an educated guess.  I would love for the GSAC men to earn the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on June 15, 2010, 12:36:40 PM
MC might want to look into finding another point guard...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 15, 2010, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2010, 08:31:38 PM
I posted this on another board.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2010, 07:56:06 PM
From a blog by NAIA guru Jason Dannelly (http://www.collegefanz.com/people/jasondannelly/blog/2009/02/17/the-future-of-the-naia-part-2-of-3),

Quote...

The changing of conferences and divisions has created a ripple effect in the NAIA. Virginia-Wise joining the Mid South reduced the number of members of the Appalachian Athletic Conference for the upcoming year. Covenant also appears to be leaving the AAC for NCAA DIII and King College will be moving to NCAA DII. Montreat College is unsure of what its future in the conference might be. The school located in Montreat, N.C. is a school stuck between a rock and a hard place as they try to determine what is best for their institution overall. The school recently announced they will move away from awarding athletic scholarships and are contemplating a move to NCAA DIII. The potential moves in the conference could take the AAC from ten this last season to six in the near future.
...

Distances from Montreat to ... (http://www.montreat.edu/Home/AboutMontreat/CampusDirections/tabid/124/Default.aspx)

Three miles off I-40 and 15 miles from Asheville NC, they are between the GSAC and the USA South.

We can look for their name on the exploratory list this summer.

Has anyone in the GSAC heard anything about Montreat exploring D-III?

I think that Atlanta Christian and Montreat would make great additions. Let's see if their names are on the list of exploratory teams when the NCAA releases the names later in the summer.

Please!  Don't get your hopes up!  I know nothing.  This is just an educated guess.  I would love for the GSAC men to earn the AQ.
I'm not sure if Montreat currently fields enough sports for DIII membership, but they might.  Their gym is really, really tiny, but they're certainly in the geographic footprint for the GSAC.  It's a quaint little campus tucked in the hills a few miles east of Asheville, NC, just a few miles off I-40.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 16, 2010, 10:28:52 AM
Spencer:  If you know something MC fans need to know, how about sharing?  Otherwise, it looks like you want to remind us all that you know things and we do not.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 16, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: hasanova on June 15, 2010, 01:04:55 PM

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I'm not sure if Montreat currently fields enough sports for DIII membership, but they might.  Their gym is really, really tiny, but they're certainly in the geographic footprint for the GSAC.  It's a quaint little campus tucked in the hills a few miles east of Asheville, NC, just a few miles off I-40.
Yes; 6 men's and 7 women's.

Men:      Soccer, XC, Hoops, Golf, Baseball, Track & Field
Women:  Soccer, XC, Hoops, Golf, Baseball, Track & Field, Volleyball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 17, 2010, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 16, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: hasanova on June 15, 2010, 01:04:55 PM

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I'm not sure if Montreat currently fields enough sports for DIII membership, but they might.  Their gym is really, really tiny, but they're certainly in the geographic footprint for the GSAC.  It's a quaint little campus tucked in the hills a few miles east of Asheville, NC, just a few miles off I-40.
Yes; 6 men's and 7 women's.

Men:      Soccer, XC, Hoops, Golf, Baseball, Track & Field
Women:  Soccer, XC, Hoops, Golf, Baseball, Track & Field, Volleyball
Thank you, Ralph.  I appreciate your research.  I stand by my statement about the gym, however - been there, seen it in action!  It only has seating on one side and it is very tiny by college standards.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 17, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on June 17, 2010, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 16, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: hasanova on June 15, 2010, 01:04:55 PM

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I'm not sure if Montreat currently fields enough sports for DIII membership, but they might.  Their gym is really, really tiny, but they're certainly in the geographic footprint for the GSAC.  It's a quaint little campus tucked in the hills a few miles east of Asheville, NC, just a few miles off I-40.
Yes; 6 men's and 7 women's.

Men:      Soccer, XC, Hoops, Golf, Baseball, Track & Field
Women:  Soccer, XC, Hoops, Golf, Baseball, Track & Field, Volleyball
Thank you, Ralph.  I appreciate your research.  I stand by my statement about the gym, however - been there, seen it in action!  It only has seating on one side and it is very tiny by college standards.
So, when you stand by your statement in that really, really tiny gym, how many other spectators are precluded from observing the game?   :D   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 17, 2010, 11:17:00 PM
Montreat stays NAIA (http://www.montreat.edu/Home/tabid/36/ctl/Details/mid/3615/ItemID/858/Default.aspx).

Pull quote...

QuoteDr. Dan Struble, President of Montreat College, stated the following reasons for the decision to remain NAIA: "We truly value our student athletes, and after reviewing all of the options, believe they are best served in the NAIA. The Appalachian Athletic Conference has been very good for our athletes and for Montreat College." Other factors leading to the decision were the NAIA's focus on Champions of Character, recent additions of Reinhardt and Warren Wilson Colleges, and distance to NCAA Division III competition. Dr. Struble added, "Sometimes it takes a good look over the fence to learn how good things are in your own back yard."

Well shucks!   >:(




Thanks to dodgerwv for the link.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 18, 2010, 06:22:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 17, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on June 17, 2010, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 16, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: hasanova on June 15, 2010, 01:04:55 PM

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I'm not sure if Montreat currently fields enough sports for DIII membership, but they might.  Their gym is really, really tiny, but they're certainly in the geographic footprint for the GSAC.  It's a quaint little campus tucked in the hills a few miles east of Asheville, NC, just a few miles off I-40.
Yes; 6 men's and 7 women's.

Men:      Soccer, XC, Hoops, Golf, Baseball, Track & Field
Women:  Soccer, XC, Hoops, Golf, Baseball, Track & Field, Volleyball
Thank you, Ralph.  I appreciate your research.  I stand by my statement about the gym, however - been there, seen it in action!  It only has seating on one side and it is very tiny by college standards.
So, when you stand by your statement in that really, really tiny gym, how many other spectators are precluded from observing the game?   :D   ;)
A few hundred can sit by each other and anyone else will be standing by their statements, the entrance or the water cooler.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 29, 2010, 04:27:37 PM
Without help from Spencer Beaty, I have heard from reliable sources that Maryville's Jordan Damron has decided not to play varsity-level basketball.  Loss of the desire and commitment required to play for Coach Lambert may be the issue.

I would rather have young people make this decision and quit than to mess around with it without really wanting to be there.

I also understand that Maryville expects a transfer who has the skills to take Jordan's place at point.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 30, 2010, 12:10:49 AM
Berry College has posted its 2010-2011 schedule and it has lots of games against Division III south region teams:

http://www.berry.edu/athletics/schedule.asp?sport=MBasketball

Covenant College's is even better with every game against a Division III opponent, in a tournament hosted by a Division III opponent or against a fellow Division III provisional (Spalding, Berry).  In comparison, about half of Covenant's schedule last season was against Division III opponents.  The Scots (of Covenant) show the 2010-2011 season ending in a Division III provisional tournament at Franciscan (Ohio) whereas last year the season ended in the NCCAA Tournament.

http://athletics.covenant.edu/mbasketball/schedule

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on June 30, 2010, 08:43:36 AM
If true,I hate to hear it about Jordan, Good player. I am sure they will reload as always. Speaking of Maryville point guards can anyone confirm that Bo Mason is now an asst. coach at Shorter in Rome,Ga.?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 01, 2010, 10:45:09 AM
Maryville lands another player whom Coach Lambert says could become helpful (his best basketball lies ahead....).  At least he is 6'5."

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3587
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: PCFan on July 06, 2010, 09:33:18 AM
Piedmont lands a catch and shoot out of Texas

http://video.berecruited.com/videos/athletes/494718
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 06, 2010, 06:20:20 PM
Welcome PCFan.Here's hoping this Texas recruit works out as good as the last one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2010, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: PCFan on July 06, 2010, 09:33:18 AM
Piedmont lands a catch and shoot out of Texas

http://video.berecruited.com/videos/athletes/494718

Welcome PCFan.

The Great South is a good conference.  Enjoy the journey.  It is over before most realize it.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 07, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2010, 07:24:03 PM
  Enjoy the journey.  It is over before most realize it.


Well said, Ralph.  Never were truer words spoken ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on July 07, 2010, 09:21:29 PM
I hear Arsenio Nuckles the pg from Rust has transfer to Maryville (TN) is there any truth to that story
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotfan on July 08, 2010, 08:50:23 AM
Quote from: RustCollege on July 07, 2010, 09:21:29 PM
I hear Arsenio Nuckles the pg from Rust has transfer to Maryville (TN) is there any truth to that story

I have also heard that Nuckles will be transferring to Maryville College. Since you are apparently a Rust fan, could you tell us Scot fans a little about him? As a point guard, he should have a great opportunity to play immediately since Lavierdiere graduated and Damron won't be playing next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on July 09, 2010, 10:27:42 AM
Well if u watch da game wen rust was at maryville dat should tell u
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 09, 2010, 02:07:53 PM
Coach Lambert seems to think he can go a long way toward mitigating the loss of his top two point guards.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on July 09, 2010, 07:22:50 PM
he was #21 4 Rust
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 16, 2010, 10:18:45 AM
Piedmont assistant gets Head Coaching job.http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2010/7/16/MBB_0716104248.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: PCFan on July 20, 2010, 05:58:52 PM
We wish Coach Neeley the best, but the new recruits were pretty sad to see him leave.  Build up a relationship and then told after registration that he was moving on.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on July 21, 2010, 06:58:35 PM
University of New Orleans officially announced transitioning to D3 yesterday.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20100721/SPORTS/100729987/-1/sports (http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20100721/SPORTS/100729987/-1/sports)

I think I asked before if they are being courted by the ASC or if there is a chance the GSAC could chase them. Long drive for Maryville and Piedmont but not quite so bad for Huntingdon or LaGrange. Sounds like they'll be in the Birmingham-Southern situation, scaling down while honoring previous scholarships.

From what I remember seeing of Nuckles he was solid for Rust when they were rolling offensively but seemed to back off or maybe it was discouraged when things didn't click a few trips in a row. So has the ability but guess we'll have to see if he has the mental toughness to practice, play and succeed for RDL.


Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2010, 08:38:47 PM
The only thing that is public knowledge is that UTD is helping UNO thru the process.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 23, 2010, 08:55:44 AM
PC goes to The Bluegrass State for a pass first point guard.http://dailyindependent.com/localsports/x334293353/Skaggs-to-dish-out-some-more-at-Piedmont
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 23, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2010, 08:38:47 PM
The only thing that is public knowledge is that UTD is helping UNO thru the process.
Since UTD and UNO are both state supported schools, I'm guessing that a future ASC affiliation is a more likely scenario.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 23, 2010, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 23, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2010, 08:38:47 PM
The only thing that is public knowledge is that UTD is helping UNO thru the process.
Since UTD and UNO are both state supported schools, I'm guessing that a future ASC affiliation is a more likely scenario.
The ASC only has 3 state schools among the now 16.  UT-Dallas, Sul Ross State and UT-Tyler.

UNO cannot hold a candle to UTD!  UTD is a primarily a graduate research institution that just happens to have undergrads on campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 24, 2010, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 23, 2010, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 23, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2010, 08:38:47 PM
The only thing that is public knowledge is that UTD is helping UNO thru the process.
Since UTD and UNO are both state supported schools, I'm guessing that a future ASC affiliation is a more likely scenario.
The ASC only has 3 state schools among the now 16.  UT-Dallas, Sul Ross State and UT-Tyler.

UNO cannot hold a candle to UTD!  UTD is a primarily a graduate research institution that just happens to have undergrads on campus.
Other than the WIAC, 3 of 16 is still a relatively large percentage by DIII norms.  I know Texas and Louisiana are a huge geographical area, but I'm willing to bet UNO's overall travel costs would be less with an ASC affiliation rather than the GSAC.  What do you think?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 24, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: hasanova on July 24, 2010, 10:54:37 AM
...Other than the WIAC, 3 of 16 is still a relatively large percentage by DIII norms.  I know Texas and Louisiana are a huge geographical area, but I'm willing to bet UNO's overall travel costs would be less with an ASC affiliation rather than the GSAC.  What do you think?
UNO is three hours (beyond and) to the southeast of Louisiana College.

I don't know of many of the ASC West schools who want to add that road trip.

If it led to the splitting of the conference (East and West), or Mississippi College went back to D-II, then the strategic value of UNO might increase.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 24, 2010, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 24, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: hasanova on July 24, 2010, 10:54:37 AM
...Other than the WIAC, 3 of 16 is still a relatively large percentage by DIII norms.  I know Texas and Louisiana are a huge geographical area, but I'm willing to bet UNO's overall travel costs would be less with an ASC affiliation rather than the GSAC.  What do you think?
UNO is three hours (beyond and) to the southeast of Louisiana College.

I don't know of many of the ASC West schools who want to add that road trip.

If it led to the splitting of the conference (East and West), or Mississippi College went back to D-II, then the strategic value of UNO might increase.
Yeah, three hours plus for your closest rival is a lot by DIII standards.  Has there been any mention of Mississippi College returning to DII or is this just an "if, then" sort of discusssion?  I ask because I don't know the history.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on July 24, 2010, 11:26:42 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 24, 2010, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 24, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: hasanova on July 24, 2010, 10:54:37 AM
...Other than the WIAC, 3 of 16 is still a relatively large percentage by DIII norms.  I know Texas and Louisiana are a huge geographical area, but I'm willing to bet UNO's overall travel costs would be less with an ASC affiliation rather than the GSAC.  What do you think?
UNO is three hours (beyond and) to the southeast of Louisiana College.

I don't know of many of the ASC West schools who want to add that road trip.

If it led to the splitting of the conference (East and West), or Mississippi College went back to D-II, then the strategic value of UNO might increase.
Yeah, three hours plus for your closest rival is a lot by DIII standards.  Has there been any mention of Mississippi College returning to DII or is this just an "if, then" sort of discusssion?  I ask because I don't know the history.

Once upon a time MC was DII and in the Gulf South Conference. The Arkansas schools in the GSC recently announced their intentions to leave the GSC and form a new conference with some Oklahoma schools. This will leave the GSC with only 5 football playing schools. MC is one of the names being thrown around among the "who could we add to get more football playing schools" stories.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 25, 2010, 06:46:55 PM
Arsenio has transferred to maryville and will be in the mix for time at the PG position.  Damron quit, but it might just be a tactic so he doesnt have to go through off season workouts.

Mississippi needs to go back to D2, last time they were there they had unlimited football scholarships.

Who wants to go to New orleans for any reason, much less regularly scheduled trips.  The place is a dump or better yet a sewer.

No word on Bo mason yet, but i have connections in Rome and i will know soon

the grubby one is still around, just been waiting on some good stuff on this board
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on July 25, 2010, 07:14:58 PM
NEW ORLEANS, LA, one of the BEST cities in the US - diverse & TOTALLY Cool!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 25, 2010, 08:49:03 PM
have you ever been anywhere else???
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on July 26, 2010, 10:06:55 AM
Howdy, Matt - how about across the US three times, one of those to Alaska - all by car.  Not to mention countless trips north & south, & i still say, we had the time of our lives in the BIG EASY!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on July 26, 2010, 01:03:25 PM
New Orleans is pretty dirty and incredibly hot!  I could not spend a prolonged period of time there without dying.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on July 26, 2010, 04:22:51 PM
Try Amarillo, TX  :'(!  New Orleans has culture plus diversity plus great music - i could go on, but you guys seem determined to not like the place (oh, forgot to mention terrific food)!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 26, 2010, 05:49:49 PM
I am with Kate, but I do not think I could live there for long.  Spencer and Mr. Grubb seem to know more about basketball than about food and music.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 26, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
Quote from: kate on July 26, 2010, 04:22:51 PM
Try Amarillo, TX  :'(!  New Orleans has culture plus diversity plus great music - i could go on, but you guys seem determined to not like the place (oh, forgot to mention terrific food)!
Amarillo?  On historic Route 66?

How about the Free 72 oz steak (http://www.bigtexan.com/),  the Cadillac Ranch (http://www.frommers.com/destinations/amarillo/A28457.html),  Palo Duro Canyon (http://palodurocanyon.com/) and the summer musical "Texas"!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 26, 2010, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 26, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
Quote from: kate on July 26, 2010, 04:22:51 PM
Try Amarillo, TX  :'(!  New Orleans has culture plus diversity plus great music - i could go on, but you guys seem determined to not like the place (oh, forgot to mention terrific food)!
Amarillo?  On historic Route 66?

How about the Free 72 oz steak (http://www.bigtexan.com/),  the Cadillac Ranch (http://www.frommers.com/destinations/amarillo/A28457.html),  Palo Duro Canyon (http://palodurocanyon.com/) and the summer musical "Texas"!
There ya go!  Big sizzle, big Caddy art and a big ol' hole in the ground, all served up Texas style ... what's not to like!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 26, 2010, 10:14:29 PM
the grubby one knows all, you people
N.O. is good for 8 blocks and thats it, the spraying of bullets 1 block from the last mardi gras says it all.  The Grubby One has been around the world and back, check the passport and N.O. is a big sewer.  Check yo facts, 50% of their police force hangs out in the 8 blocks of the french quarter.  Were they successful in making it a "chocolate city" as the mayor wanted to??? Bring it wilburt, b/c the grubby one is a card carrying registered native american and went to maryville college on a minority scholarship.  My sister goes to lsu N.O. right now and i refuse to visit her b/c it is a dump.  I will pick up my Zatarains at the local grocery store and skip the smell of fresh sewage.

off that rant, i spoke to my buddy today who is very sad as he graduated from N.O. in 1999 after 4 years of Baseball.  he said they had a 2 mil dollar budget deficit for athletics and they did not solicit their alumni base for donations very well.  he does pretty well and said he would have donated something had they asked.  he said it was mostly a commuter college and most of the students did not pay attention to the athletics.  he said he was concerned about their travel requirements as a D3 school but was excited as they would have some of the better facilities in all of D3.

Btw, the grubby one has gone global
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on July 27, 2010, 08:49:54 AM
Good morning Matt!  Coming to you this am from Lenni Lenape  land here in Easton, PA.  Without even looking, Maryville is in Tennessee, right?  You probably won't believe this, but i've always been attracted to your school.  This darn economic downturn is prohibiting schools like our beloved Delaware Valley College from playing schools that are so far away, but hopefully things start to look up very soon.  In the meantime, sites like D3 Hoops keep us all connected.  Maybe being in D3 will "help"  the popularity of the New Orleans colleges, too  ;).  Keeps everyone on their toes  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 27, 2010, 09:47:45 AM
Scots land another guard.  Coach says the things he says when he thinks the recruit can help.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3606

I do not remember another player from the Charlotte area.  Anybody know the connection?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 27, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on July 27, 2010, 09:47:45 AM
Scots land another guard.  Coach says the things he says when he thinks the recruit can help.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3606

I do not remember another player from the Charlotte area.  Anybody know the connection?
I think Butler is 4A, which is the NCHSAA's highest classification.  If he's played well in the Charlotte metro area, then it bodes well for his continued success as a Scot.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 27, 2010, 06:33:00 PM
Among other things, he has played the point.  A 6'4" point guard who is any good at it could be interesting in D3. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 06, 2010, 10:42:10 PM
Huntingdon adding a little height with the incoming class of 11 newcomers. A 6-9 and a 6-7. Should be interesting to see how they pan out.

http://www.huntingdon.edu/athleticsNews.aspx?id=6090
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 09, 2010, 03:38:51 PM
Move in weekend at Piedmont for Freshman. Hope all went well.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 18, 2010, 01:33:27 PM
Lions schedule:http://www.piedmontlions.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: PCFan on August 18, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
bball have you heard anything on naming a new asst coach for piedmont.   Also piedmont lost one of their freshman big's.  Kid moved out yesterday after one week of classes
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 18, 2010, 06:30:04 PM
PCFan,anything that I could tell you now would be just a rumor.I think we will hear something soon.I had heard about the kid leaving.We seem to have one of those about every year.One of the reasons PC doesn't announce recruits until after a week or so after classes start.I hate it for the kid  and his family.Hope everything works out for him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on September 01, 2010, 10:57:48 AM
Killer is back for another season. Congrats to my guy Matt Grubb! He is going back to school to further his education. We all know he needs it.

Hope all the GSAC members have a wonderful season.. I know my Scots are working hard and hopefully will make a run in the NCAA Tournament.

I MISS OLD LION!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 09, 2010, 10:26:18 PM
school sux!  just hoopin is better and when they actually give you a paycheck it is even better especially when it doesn't bounce

I know the kids are on campus.  who is in and who is out?  What does LC, PC, and HC have?
Has coach haynes aged at all or does he actually look younger every year?
Does Coach Glenn get taller looking?
I too miss Old Lion.  D3 is all about a bunch of enthusiastic short people having a blast.
My professor in my MBA program (yea I said it, I am a D3 kid, i am smart) blasted me in front of the class as not being a real college basketball player b/c i "only" played D3, but then he saw me drop 30 on Jordan Howell in a men's league game, UT's starting PG from when they beat Memphis, who was ranked #1 at the time and the vols would have been ranked #1 had they not lost to Vandy.  Ball is universal, it is all about putting a leather ball through an iron hoop, but education rules the world and that's why the Grubby one loved D3.  Randy Lambert is the man.  Go Scots!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on September 10, 2010, 01:38:46 PM
Killer, Grubby One ... you guys are too kind.  I miss our D3 days ... those where special years.  I never missed a game in 4 years.  I'd like to do it all over again if we could.

But as long as we are wishing and dreaming ... next time around we'd have a little more help inside.  Jake threw some nice ally-oop passes in high school.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on September 10, 2010, 01:56:31 PM
Well Grubby One Coach Glenn will have his hands full trying to replace his top four scorers.He will have ten new guys to sift through to find out who will be able to help right away. Doing this with a new staff will be a challenge.Oh,and I almost forgot,all this while trying to appear taller.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on September 11, 2010, 09:57:59 PM
Who is coaching the Lady Lions this year? Hope the coach Dzik helped out is doing well?  What a ride last year.  Hope she is OK.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on September 13, 2010, 07:50:18 AM
Coach Purdy will be back on the bench for the Lady Lions. Mother and children are doing well as far as I know.
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Post by: MCSID on September 15, 2010, 12:37:45 PM
Congratulations to Maryville's Eryk Watson, a Sporting News Pre-Season All-American. Story at: http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/mens-basketball/news/details/3578/ (http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/mens-basketball/news/details/3578/)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 15, 2010, 02:35:39 PM
I hope Eryk is able to have a great season unaffected by whatever pressure comes with this.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 20, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
Former Panther player/asst, Dale Lomax got hitched this weekend in Richmond, VA.  If you visit the area, take a navigator. Mine was a good one.  Eat at Black Sheep down the street from VCU.  I just added another reason why a GSAC/USASAC merger would be good; Cook Out.  I ate at a Cook Out for the first time and North Carolina just moved into my top 5 states in america because of it.  Big burgers and thick shakes never hurt anybody...well not immediately, but you get it.  Every year at this time the air is filled with questions and typically it ends up as the same answers. 
Shout out to Burlington, NC, Barnesville, GA and BROOOOKLYN!
Get some Crossfit in your life!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on September 24, 2010, 12:17:42 PM
The 10/11 Piedmont roster will feature five players from out-of state.The most in a number of years.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on September 24, 2010, 02:58:14 PM
It has become pertinent to broaden your recruiting.  With private college price tags on the rise and the willingness of people to spend money on the decrease you must look outside your state and regional boundaries in order to expand your prospective list.  You also have to really hone in on the stereotypical student-athlete at your institution, but you can't rule out anyone that wants to take a look. 
Question of the day: Will the Vols be relative under Dooley or will they have to get "the next big thing" in about 3 seasons?

Question of the week: What are the two most significant attributes/characteristics of a team captain?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 25, 2010, 11:36:45 AM
i got a good answer for you coach haynes and it is not a direct answer but hope this helps
you got to find a guy who is moving a direction, not a guy who is not moving, it is easier for you to change the direction that guy is going than to get a guy moving.  In your case you are wanting to move towards a championship, objects at rest tend to stay at rest.  If you have to find the guy on your team with the most internal motivation and coach him into channeling that motivation in the direction you want him to go and teach others to follow him.

Also, be results oriented.  your guy either got the rebound or he didn't.  No excuses, no emotion, you either exceeded or you didn't.  who cares who is the better player, all that matters is who gets the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2010, 03:39:14 PM
Shenandoah's move to the ODAC announced today prompts some thoughts about the future of the USA South and the spread of the Mid-Atlantic Shuffle:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/09/29/conference-shuffle-drifts-south
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 05, 2010, 11:46:37 AM
Things I learned this weekend while watching the UT/LSU game:
How to count to 13.
To always practice clock management, always...every day.

Practice is pretty close.  I am wondering if the LaGrange Daily News will have us ranked in the pre-season top 25 for Troup County.  Personally, I would like to be outside of the rankings at the start of the season to keep my boys hungry. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 14, 2010, 09:37:14 AM
It's fall break at LC.  A perfect time to get focused and enjoy some hoops. 
Somebody save me a seat tonight at Boydson Baird.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 14, 2010, 11:50:37 AM
Coach Haynes:  If you do not already know, you will observe the absence at Scottie Midnight Madness of Ben Williamson and Wes Lambert, both out for the year with injuries (ACL and knee).  With Jordan Damron not playing either and Greg Hernandez and Jared Laverdiere out of eligibility, there will be a lot of mystery in Lambertville!

Clearly a bunch of the many newbies will get the chance to play some ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 16, 2010, 09:21:26 AM
hate to say it, but the scots success this year rests squarely on the shoulders of one kid:  Brandon McGill

If he comes to play every night, the scots will be good, if he doesn't, well?
He is a mature and intelligent kid, but its all in his hands.  Eryk will do his thing, but he needs help.  Eryk and Brandon could be a great 1/2 punch. 

And as always, the scots will be best this year when everyone contributes.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 16, 2010, 11:13:21 AM
Mr Grubby!  Makes sense to me.  Do you  have any sense about how any of the newcomers will fit in?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 17, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
NO, i don't, Prettiboi Knuckles should have a chance to get into the rotation if he can learn the system.  Other than that, Baxter and Queen will see some action as new guys in the full rotation.  that's all i know of right now.  i imagine the starting line up will be
Watson, Mcgill, Willet, Peanut or Milton Stanley, and ?????(probably PrettiBoi) but who knows, may run Watson at the 1 since you know what he can do at the 1,2, or 3.  I would and great minds think alike.  Then you could have Peanut at 2 and Milt at the 3 so you have some size out there with Milt and Eryk b/c i am sure the name peanut still fits Dustin.  We will see Nov. 15 against Centre and the Grubby One will be there with his grad school classmate who played football at Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on October 20, 2010, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 17, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
NO, i don't, Prettiboi Knuckles should have a chance to get into the rotation if he can learn the system.  Other than that, Baxter and Queen will see some action as new guys in the full rotation.  that's all i know of right now.  i imagine the starting line up will be
Watson, Mcgill, Willet, Peanut or Milton Stanley, and ?????(probably PrettiBoi) but who knows, may run Watson at the 1 since you know what he can do at the 1,2, or 3.  I would and great minds think alike.  Then you could have Peanut at 2 and Milt at the 3 so you have some size out there with Milt and Eryk b/c i am sure the name peanut still fits Dustin.  We will see Nov. 15 against Centre and the Grubby One will be there with his grad school classmate who played football at Centre.
So what do you think of Knuckles
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 20, 2010, 08:22:55 AM
Grubby, I see where Rucker is back on the roster after taking a year off.Can we expect to see him in the mix?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 24, 2010, 09:52:40 AM
certainly, he has the intelligence to recognize what the team needs and fill those roles.  i always liked his game.  he needs to add some strength and if he does that then he will see some time
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on October 28, 2010, 02:28:15 PM
Well, I know everyone is holding their breath for a Panther update. 

Keep holding it.....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on October 29, 2010, 11:39:15 AM
what happen to Knuckles did maryville kick him off the team
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on October 31, 2010, 11:22:28 AM
Went by the alma mater this past week and was excited about some of the things I saw. Watson,Willett, and Milton impressed me the most!
This by far will be the toughest challenge Coach Lambert and Wallace will have faced in years. With the injuries of Wes and Ben and players quitting: Damron,Click,and Knuckles this seems to be a very trying year!!
  Coaching staff has always managed to bring the best out of the kids. Good luck to these young Scots..
  Grubby One the Scots will beat Centre!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 02, 2010, 10:39:57 AM
My guess would be that McGill,E-Watt, And Maverick would be a good start to Pre-Season All GSAC. With Watson being the odds on favorite for POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 03, 2010, 01:40:37 PM
Well Coach Haynes I don't guess you can sandbag now can you? For those who have not heard yet Coach Haynes took his Panthers up to Kennesaw State last night and came home a winner.I know it was just a scrimmage but,none the less a big win.What say you Coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 06, 2010, 03:52:19 PM
Killer
really????
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 08, 2010, 01:11:32 PM
Damn, Coach H! Well played, Sir!

Are you sitting on a GSAC title team down there in LaGrange?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 12, 2010, 02:35:30 PM
Good luck to both the Lions & Panthers who travel to Conway,SC this weekend to play Coastal Carolina.PC tonight & LC on Saturday. Neither is a counting game for the GSAC members but, it is for Coastal.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 15, 2010, 09:11:17 AM
Maryville Daily Times has an article about the Scots before tonight's opener with Centre:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20101115/SPORTS/311159975/-1/sports
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 15, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
The Grubby One was very impressed with both teams tonight.  Centre won a very hard fought victory.  The scots played hard and as usual were very well coached.  The big man for CC was very impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 16, 2010, 10:21:48 AM
I agree with Mr. Grubby.  If the Scots had not had a couple minutes of lost defensive focus, they might have overcome Centre's 61% shooting and Alex Lloyd.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 16, 2010, 11:16:33 AM
Hopefully Piedmont will not overlook Toccoa Falls tonight.Been there, done that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 16, 2010, 05:25:01 PM
It looked like that lack of experience caught up with MC watching on the ivi feed.

Centre went into crunch time focus and Scots let them chip away but then forced a play or two when it was close. Not that I'd fault the plays they tried to make, the backdoor to Watson that ended up out of bounds was a good decision just didnt get executed for the two and one.

From what I saw I like how this group is playing together and I think that will get better once a few of the guys who played short minutes last year or are new get used to long minutes and crucial minutes in game time.

Since Covenant will be on board soon, do we have anyone posting from them yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 16, 2010, 08:03:32 PM
Covenant is scared

Battered
I agree with you.  I have not seen that type of electricity in Baird for a regular season game in quite some time.  The place was full and at one point when Centre called a timeout I thought i was at a dance party.  MC has a couple of guys who are going to have to learn to win on their own.  Greg was very good at winning and these guys will learn.  It is hard to believe with all of the personnel losses that the scots are not short on talent.  The big 3 i saw last night for the scots were EWat, Mcgill, and Milt.  Milt needs a little more experience and he will be a very effective scorer off of the dribble.  Ewat can shoot the 3 and Mcgill can patrol the midrange.  Big Mav was very effective on offense against a pretty dang good big man last night.
Like any team with a lot of new guys, they have a lot of learning to do, but I will put my money on another GSAC title if anyone wants a piece of that action let me know.

the Grubby one
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 17, 2010, 10:01:48 AM
Lions pull one out in overtime. The season is young but, they must learn to play better together.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2010, 12:52:49 PM
Congratulations to Marcus Fitzsimmons on being tabbed for the Around the Nation column on D3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 20, 2010, 04:53:39 PM
the grubby one thinks Milton should go to the bucket almost every time he touches it.  He is a creator reminiscent of the GSAC Killer

Go Scots
they are down by 3 but way ahead in the foul count  10-4
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 30, 2010, 10:15:30 AM
Lions looked to have improved while getting two wins in Memphis over the weekend.Only time will tell as to how good the competition was.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 10, 2010, 08:34:25 AM
Lions get a win over Lookout Mt. Scots last night. On to Holly Springs, MS.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Domino on December 15, 2010, 09:57:19 AM
With the Scots losing numerous times, this board is a little quiet.

What else is going on in the GSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 15, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
It remains to be seen if the Scots' early season difficulties will lead to their having difficulties in the GSAC.  It does not seem like any of the other three men's teams is exactly tearing up the pre-conference schedule. 

Scots are not getting any scoring out of the point...actually zero points from Cheek, Brown and Woodruff against Methodist.  Hard to win that way.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scotfan on December 15, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
MC could easily be 8-1 instead of 3-6. For whatever reason, they are getting outplayed in the closing minutes of most close games. It sounds simple but if they would start hitting clutch shots and getting timely stops and rebounds in the last couple of minutes, the "L's" would become "W's". If they don't, then they will continue to struggle in close games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 16, 2010, 11:14:21 AM
The Scots could not put Averett away and as Scotsfan says continued to look uncertain down the stretch.  Rucker is the only Scot who seems to enjoy rebounding.  Guilford is not the team it was last year but they will be a serious test Saturday.  Averett did not look like a 1-7 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 18, 2010, 03:48:42 PM
when they starting worrying about winning and not how they win they will be fine.  They still win the GSAC this year, book it.
they are having an easy time with Guilford today through one half, but the second half is when you won.

They lost 5 of 6 of those games b/c they were up late and had a chance to win, so they chose to loose.  They will learn how to choose victory.
2011 GSAC champs-MC  book it
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 23, 2010, 10:40:58 AM
Nice article by Stefan Cooper in Blount Today about the Maryville team:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3742/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 30, 2010, 12:47:09 AM
Scots learn how to compete on back to back days.  This was a nice tournament win for them.  Obviously, both teams were not in the top 25, but hopefully what these young guys learned was how to win on back to back days. I bet they were tired and had chances to fold when OU pulled within 4, but they pulled through.  This is not a bad MC team, they don't have a good record, but if they finish 20-6, who knows.  Don't count Randall and the boys out yet.  MC teams are always well coached, sometimes some guys just learn slower than others.  Let's see where they are at in 2 weeks.

They now have a winning record
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 30, 2010, 01:03:36 AM
Grubby is right.  The team seems to be figuring out some things about roles and winning. The Greensboro game may tell the tale as far as the Scots' In Region record.  Covenant, Teenie Weenie, and Berry do not count for D3 in region.

D3Hoops has the Otterbein game as in region but not Marietta but they are in the same conference.  How is that?  Ralph?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 30, 2010, 01:03:36 AM
Grubby is right.  The team seems to be figuring out some things about roles and winning. The Greensboro game may tell the tale as far as the Scots' In Region record.  Covenant, Teenie Weenie, and Berry do not count for D3 in region.

D3Hoops has the Otterbein game as in region but not Marietta but they are in the same conference.  How is that?  Ralph?
There is an error in the data entry.

OTT vs Murvul is in-region.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 04, 2011, 07:37:27 AM
Not a good start in 2011 for THE LIONS as they got pounded at Emory last night. Now we will see if they can stand up to the Timex challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 04, 2011, 11:40:13 AM
Funny year so far.  Emory pounds Piedmont but lost to LaGrange.  Maryville is having difficulties with the USASouth and lost to Emory. LaGrange almost beat Ferrum, which has only lost to Eastern Mennonite. 

Having seen only Maryville of the GSAC teams this year, I do not have any explanations of anything except that the Scots could use one of the shooters it expected but lost for the year (Williamson, Lambert, Damron).  Still, they are scoring a lot of points and are capable of spurts of really good defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 04, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
unlike a lot of Lambert teams they are giving up a lot of points
Randy Lambert's game plan= Scots score 80 give up 70
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 12, 2011, 02:53:26 PM
LaGrange @ Piedmont postponed tonight.They are working on a make up date.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 13, 2011, 07:49:46 AM
Make up will be Friday, Jan. 14th.Woman at 4:00. Men to follow.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 13, 2011, 12:57:42 PM
The game times for LaGrange @ Piedmont are now: Women 2:00 and Men 4:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 14, 2011, 07:22:53 AM
Thanks Coach
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2011, 05:14:14 PM
scots win at HC is a big step in fulfilling the Grubby's One prediction of a GSAC title for these Scots.

I dare say the Grubby One is psychic.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 21, 2011, 01:30:41 PM
I hope Lions can give Scots a game tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 24, 2011, 07:51:49 AM
Sorry........They didn't.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 29, 2011, 11:28:46 PM
Well Coach Haynes' bunch just about got one this afternoon!  Great effort.  Scots were fortunate to win this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:19:45 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2011, 10:33:51 PM
yea, who does coach haynes think he is?  Playing the scots that close does not make the grubby one happy at all.
I like Coach Haynes, but he needs to realize at my advanced age games like that could cause a heart attack.

I sure hope he doesn't have anything cooking for when the scots go down there.  Coach Haynes sure could use a break this season, he is a good dude.
Coach Haynes, whenever the grubby one needs some luck, he goes to the local boys and girls club in Knoxville and spends time with the kids and does what he can to help them.  Now it is not a secret recipe or anything and i cannot guarantee anything, but if you get what you give 10 fold????  Now, I cannot predict how good karma comes my way, but i sure can say that the grubby one always ends up with some good karma after one of those trips.  You might want to take your guys there one day (not before you play maryville an go to the club in lagrange) and see if you all get any good karma.  From what i hear, a little karma on your side and you may have stolen a W in Murvul and i know you would have enjoyed that feeling.

I see it has been a rough season for all the GSAC teams.  For some reason, i don't think the hard times are going to be over for these small liberal arts colleges any time soon.  Randy will have the scots ready to fire next season though after he wins the GSAC title again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 10, 2011, 10:58:07 PM
Grubbster, I am right there with you.  I believe you get both what you deserve and also what you can handle. 
I am very proud of my guys.  They are fighting with whatever they've got for me and I can't express my appreciation enough. 

I got to be honest; I thought your Boys/Girls club story was going to end with you raining three's in the faces of Knox County's youth. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2011, 09:03:39 AM
Coach Haynes
There plenty of rain when i go there, it is sandy lyle-esque.  There is also a lot of trash talking on both ends but i have always been a big believer that when you step between the lines you have to give all you got.  Even if that means holding the Tshirt of a 12 year old as he goes for a rebound or setting an illegal screen on an 11 year old.  As long as you are between the lines, it is just part of the game.

The panthers still have a chance to win the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 11, 2011, 09:54:29 AM
I guess everybody has a chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s&feature=related
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2011, 09:45:27 PM
In real life, i think she did marry him, if not marry, she at least went crazy over long term relationship.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 13, 2011, 11:07:28 PM
oh my, are the panthers on a win streak????  YES

Could they be peaking at the right time?   YES

Coach Haynes, if you win the conference tourney, the grubby one woudn't even be mad.  I would drive to Lagrange and let you buy me lunch in celebrations.  Let's go ahead and pencil in that bbq joint in lagrange for let's say March 4th???  Around noon???
Please bring the trophy with you.
thanks
The Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 14, 2011, 09:35:55 AM
For those of you that were not at the Maryville - Piedmont game yesterday you missed seeing the end of an era. Eryk Watson played his final home game of an outstanding career. What a player.I know this years record has not been up to Scott standards but,you can't put any blame on Watson.He came to play every night, just as he did for four years.He could play for me anytime.I can't help but wonder what could have been if Watson had decided to travel two hours east to Demorest,GA for his education rather than three hours north.That we will never know.Congratulations Eryk Watson.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 14, 2011, 07:52:21 PM
WOW!

Piedmont's last 5 games ...

1/29/2011  # Huntingdon College  Montgomery, AL L 72-83 
2/2/2011    Berry College  Demorest, GA L 93-100 (OT) 
2/5/2011    Warren Wilson College  Asheville, NC L 62-75 
2/9/2011  # LaGrange College  LaGrange, GA L 94-87 (OT) 
2/13/2011  # Maryville College  Maryville, TN W 82-77   
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 14, 2011, 07:53:55 PM
Coach Haynes,

I liked your Dumb and Dumber link.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 16, 2011, 12:22:58 PM
old_lion:   Can you help the Lions play like that more often? 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:31:17 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2011, 07:50:12 PM
How will the Lions make out if the GSAC changes?  Who will join not join who will they play or not play and what will they do if there is a realignment?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 21, 2011, 08:12:54 AM
Those are all great questions Wolfpac.I wish I knew.I guess only time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 22, 2011, 11:26:36 AM



http://www.greatsouth.org/sports/2010/6/29/MBB_0629103118.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 24, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
http://www.greatsouth.org/news/2011/2/23/MBB_0223114412.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2011, 07:12:51 PM
Congratulations to a class act, Coach Haynes, and the LaGrange team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2011, 08:14:30 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 25, 2011, 07:12:51 PM
Congratulations to a class act, Coach Haynes, and the LaGrange team. 
Yes! Congratulations Coach Haynes!

LaGrange 79 Murvul 75 OT

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 25, 2011, 11:47:56 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 13, 2011, 11:07:28 PM
oh my, are the panthers on a win streak????  YES

Could they be peaking at the right time?   YES

Coach Haynes, if you win the conference tourney, the grubby one woudn't even be mad.  I would drive to Lagrange and let you buy me lunch in celebrations.  Let's go ahead and pencil in that bbq joint in lagrange for let's say March 4th???  Around noon???
Please bring the trophy with you.
thanks
The Grubby One

Coach Haynes
I am currently penciled in for lunch in lagrange on march 4th.  Please confirm this appoinment with the Grubby One as we all know the Grubby One is a very busy man.  At this point, I look forward to seeing you soon.  Now go get me and you a title.  Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 26, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
For some reason I feel like you guys like me and my Panthers.  I am sorry that we couldn't pull it out at Huntingdon.  The tournament is in LaGrange next season so all meals will have to wait until then.  Huntingdon did a really great job as a host and Mike Pugh does a wonderful job with his kids. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 26, 2011, 11:38:27 PM
It is hard not to like a team that plays as hard as the Panthers. It is good for the conference for teams to be beating each other every now and then.  Maybe some kind of merger with the USASouth can get the GSAC men the chance to play for an AQ slot soon. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 27, 2011, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on February 11, 2011, 09:54:29 AM
I guess everybody has a chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s&feature=related

Coach H,

You were almost prophetic!  Nice run ...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2011, 10:44:34 AM
Coach H,
great run.  it shows a lot of character when a team finishes a tough season strong.  I know beating maryville had to feel good.  Had I told you that you would have knocked Maryville out of the conference tourney in January, I am not sure you would have believed me.
Now start recruiting!  The 2012 season starts today or take a vacation til March 1 and then get started.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2011, 06:24:06 PM
Betcha he has been recruiting already....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 15, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
Eryk Watson certainly deserved to be first team all region!  Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 20, 2011, 01:46:54 PM
Great to see Eryk Watson make second team All American from D3Hoops.  He is in pretty good company and being named in the top 10 nationally is great for him and for Maryville's program.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 22, 2011, 09:49:38 AM
Daily Times has a good article about Eryk Watson as All-American:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Great_Scot%3A_MC%E2%80%99s_Watson_named_D3hoops_All-American_id_009226
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 22, 2011, 02:38:57 PM
The resignation of Coach Haynes comes as a big shock to me.Good luck to him.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2011, 02:44:01 PM
Quote from: bballlover on March 22, 2011, 02:38:57 PM
The resignation of Coach Haynes comes as a big shock to me.Good luck to him.

Coach Haynes resigns (http://www.greatsouth.org/news/2011/3/17/MBB_0317113713.aspx?path=mbball).

We are gonna miss you.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 23, 2011, 12:08:51 AM
This is bad news for LaGrange and D3/GSAC basketball.  A person does have to make a living, however.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 31, 2011, 04:27:30 PM
Coach Haynes,

Sorry to see you go.  I agree with Phil Williamson's remark ... you could always count on your teams playing with max effort.  The gsac just got less interesting.

Good luck with your new career.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on April 02, 2011, 08:28:46 AM
Well, there are many things that I will miss about not coaching at LaGrange and having you guys take it easy on me on this board is definitely one of them.  Its not first, that would be working with Mark Isenhour, but it is in the top 25. 
There are things to look forward to though.  Like, not driving a bus back from Holly Springs, MS at 1am.  I will miss dearly, Ms. Annies buffet in Holly Springs.  If you ever travel with a team to Rust College, please go eat at Annie's!  The chicken is juicy, the vegetables are buttery, the cakes are moist and she has a picture on the wall with Steven Segal, which you can't top. 
One thing I hate about leaving is that my record gets plastered all over now, but I guess that's like a Tiger Woods mistress photo; I did it, now I got to live with it.  Sure I would have liked to have won more games and had taller post players and a better schedule and a newer gym and a bigger budget but who wouldn't.  One thing I did have was an awesome opportunity to connect with some special young adults.  One of my favorite things about the summer is wedding season.  No, contrary to popular belief  it is not because I have an abnormal foundness of wedding gowns, but because it is great to get that invitation in the mail for a former player's wedding.  Watching one of those guys step in to marriage and knowing that all that running, lifting and vocal abuse I put them through will be nothing compared to what their wives will put them through, puts a smile on my face. 
I wish everyone on this GSAC board the very best.  I will be around, possibly more than ever and if you feel like you are running low on coachwgh  just follow me on Twitter. @coachwgh
By the way; I was the white guy who could jump in high school and juco but Jacoob Tucker is amazing!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2011, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on April 02, 2011, 08:28:46 AM
Well, there are many things that I will miss about not coaching at LaGrange and having you guys take it easy on me on this board is definitely one of them.  Its not first, that would be working with Mark Isenhour, but it is in the top 25. 
There are things to look forward to though.  Like, not driving a bus back from Holly Springs, MS at 1am.  I will miss dearly, Ms. Annies buffet in Holly Springs.  If you ever travel with a team to Rust College, please go eat at Annie's!  The chicken is juicy, the vegetables are buttery, the cakes are moist and she has a picture on the wall with Steven Segal, which you can't top. 
One thing I hate about leaving is that my record gets plastered all over now, but I guess that's like a Tiger Woods mistress photo; I did it, now I got to live with it.  Sure I would have liked to have won more games and had taller post players and a better schedule and a newer gym and a bigger budget but who wouldn't.  One thing I did have was an awesome opportunity to connect with some special young adults.  One of my favorite things about the summer is wedding season.  No, contrary to popular belief  it is not because I have an abnormal foundness of wedding gowns, but because it is great to get that invitation in the mail for a former player's wedding.  Watching one of those guys step in to marriage and knowing that all that running, lifting and vocal abuse I put them through will be nothing compared to what their wives will put them through, puts a smile on my face. 
I wish everyone on this GSAC board the very best.  I will be around, possibly more than ever and if you feel like you are running low on coachwgh  just follow me on Twitter. @coachwgh
By the way; I was the white guy who could jump in high school and juco but Jacoob Tucker is amazing!


Quote...it is great to get that invitation in the mail for a former player's wedding.  Watching one of those guys step in to marriage and knowing that all that running, lifting and vocal abuse I put them through will be nothing compared to what their wives will put them through, puts a smile on my face.

Coach, you don't have a signature line on your posts.

You ought to consider that as the content of your signature line.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 07, 2011, 03:01:54 PM
Maryville has successfully recruited a couple of 6'5" players.  Last year was the year for guards; maybe this year is for bigger people!

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3856/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3859/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 08, 2011, 09:46:49 AM
Nice article by Stefan Cooper about Randy and Wes Lambert and bb coaching in Blount Today.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3881/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 11, 2011, 03:01:42 PM
Some Piedmont News:http://www.usasouth.net/general/2010-11/11piedmontjoin
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 11, 2011, 04:48:23 PM
There's more/better information in our story:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/04/piedmont-to-join-usac
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2011, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 11, 2011, 04:48:23 PM
There's more/better information in our story:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/04/piedmont-to-join-usac
I really don't want Huntingdon to get left out in the cold.

As an isolated independent, which is what they would become if Maryville and LaGrange leave the GSAC for the USA South, then Huntingdon needs to start thinking out of the box, including moving to D-II.

Has future GSAC member Covenant been in the discussions on their timetable?  
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 12, 2011, 07:34:46 AM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 12, 2011, 03:04:32 PM
Congratulations to whom, Wilburt? 

I agree that it will be unfortunate if Huntingdon gets orphaned.  It is a long trip from Montgomery to Christopher Newport but how long is CNU going to hang around in the USA South?  Or does that matter if the USA South does north and south divisions?   

What happens to the GSAC women's schools?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 12, 2011, 03:59:39 PM
They could keep the Great South name, hold onto the AQ for two years if they lose only the three teams, but they would need a seventh pretty fast.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2011, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 12, 2011, 03:04:32 PM
Congratulations to whom, Wilburt? 

I agree that it will be unfortunate if Huntingdon gets orphaned.  It is a long trip from Montgomery to Christopher Newport but how long is CNU going to hang around in the USA South?  Or does that matter if the USA South does north and south divisions?   

What happens to the GSAC women's schools?
i think that cnu's time in the usasac is short, and i think that piedmont to the usasac may have shortened the time-table...if m'ville and lagrange join within the next few weeks, i think that time-table becomes almost immediate

and i don't think you'll get too much opposition from the usasac presidents - it is hard to forge a level playing field among private schools in d3 (vastly different admissions standards, financial abilities/philosophies, etc.) - the cost and facilities advantage of being a public institution makes it even more difficult to compete on a level field
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on April 13, 2011, 01:29:25 PM
From Wednesday's Daily Times on what happens next with GSAC and USAC

http://www.thedailytimes.com/Marcus_Fitzsimmons/story/Cry%2C_'Havoc%21'%3A_Scots_face_conference_crisis_with_class_id_010138 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Marcus_Fitzsimmons/story/Cry%2C_'Havoc%21'%3A_Scots_face_conference_crisis_with_class_id_010138)

NARCH I wouldn't bet against you on that one.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 14, 2011, 02:27:25 PM
Maryville recruits two players from good high school programs;  maybe more like "projects" for the transition to college ball:


http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3898/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3897/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 15, 2011, 05:33:45 PM
To my nemesis, be fair.  I haven't posted since April 5 (and that was nothing to get upset about), but you've gone in daily for the last week to 10 days and dinged me.  Did I do something to tick you off?  I "get" karma and smiting, but I don't understand smiting when you don't post anything.  :)

There once was a poster who's read
With humor and insight and dread.
He said "Was I clever
Or will I forever
Get hit with a smite when I'm dead!?"
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 17, 2011, 11:36:09 AM
Hmm ... who have you ticked off now?

Nice limerick, BTW.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 17, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: old_lion on April 17, 2011, 11:36:09 AM
Hmm ... who have you ticked off now?

Nice limerick, BTW.
Don't know.  :)  Read Pat's comment on ODAC football - evidently lots of other people were too. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 03, 2011, 05:08:47 PM
Looks like Maryville has gotten a big guy with lots of potential:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3938/

I wonder what conference he will help the Scots win.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 03, 2011, 05:08:47 PM
Looks like Maryville has gotten a big guy with lots of potential:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3938/

I wonder what conference he will help the Scots win.
We are 2 days beyond the May 1st deadline.

I sincerely hope that Maryville is using its prestige and reputation to pull Huntingdon and Covenant into the USA South.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 03, 2011, 05:35:45 PM
me too
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 05:40:10 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 03, 2011, 05:35:45 PM
me too
If travel is a concern, then the USA South can use the GSAC men as travel partners for the USA South women such as Peace, Meredith and Mary Baldwin for scheduling sake.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 04, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
Two more Maryville commitments:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3940/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3941/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 04, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
Two more Maryville commitments:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3940/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3941/
...but no Maryville commitments to the USA South...

Perhaps a little suspense?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 05, 2011, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 07:03:38 PM...but no Maryville commitments to the USA South...

Perhaps a little suspense?
this is interesting to me, as well...when i saw piedmont and lagrange jump ship, i assumed m'ville wouldn't be far behind

the fact that they haven't come over tells me they either like life as a pool b (there are time when being a pool b is an advantage, including lagrange in baseball last year) or they are entertaining/soliciting another offer
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 05, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
From what I know of Maryville's dilemma, there is a strong desire to be in a conference for reasons of scheduling and championship competition for all the sports.  Pool B for men's basketball has been ok, but the AD is also the volleyball coach. not the men's bb coach, as was the case for a long time.

A logical alignment for travel and scheduling would be some GA, TN, KY, AL, MS, AR conference that does not require Maryville to travel all the way over to the eastern NC or way up I 81 near DC and I think Maryville would like that, but the SCAC seems to be holding tight despite outrageous travel costs for its teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 05, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
From what I know of Maryville's dilemma, there is a strong desire to be in a conference for reasons of scheduling and championship competition for all the sports.  Pool B for men's basketball has been ok, but the AD is also the volleyball coach. not the men's bb coach, as was the case for a long time.

A logical alignment for travel and scheduling would be some GA, TN, KY, AL, MS, AR conference that does not require Maryville to travel all the way over to the eastern NC or way up I 81 near DC and I think Maryville would like that, but the SCAC seems to be holding tight despite outrageous travel costs for its teams.
The SCAC schools have endowment that are 2-5 times the average of the GSAC men's schools, too.

The USA South schools need to the play the GSAC schools as in-region opponents, regardless.  Two more GSAC schools have moved out of Pool B, which will be down to 1 Men's Hoops bid in a couple of seasons anyway.

(In fact, UDallas, Piedmont and LaGrange move out of Pool B in the next 2 seasons.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 06, 2011, 10:12:44 AM
The two leagues should trade school's where the GSAC becomes an all women's conference. As for the scac, I believe CC has an offer to join d2 and will decide this month. If they stay, the scac probably should jump to 14-16 to ease travel, if they go jumping to 14 still might not be a bad idea with school's like berry, centenary, Georgetown, etc. to make travel less daunting.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 06, 2011, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 05, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
From what I know of Maryville's dilemma, there is a strong desire to be in a conference for reasons of scheduling and championship competition for all the sports.  Pool B for men's basketball has been ok, but the AD is also the volleyball coach. not the men's bb coach, as was the case for a long time.

A logical alignment for travel and scheduling would be some GA, TN, KY, AL, MS, AR conference that does not require Maryville to travel all the way over to the eastern NC or way up I 81 near DC and I think Maryville would like that, but the SCAC seems to be holding tight despite outrageous travel costs for its teams.

Shenandoah is leaving the USA South, so I hope that isn't a factor in Maryville's thinking.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 07, 2011, 12:09:45 AM
I'm slow, Pat, but why would SU's leaving the USA South matter to Maryville?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2011, 02:46:25 PM
Because of the part I bolded. Shenandoah's departure means Maryville would not have to travel way up I-81 near D.C. to play conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 07, 2011, 11:36:22 PM
It's still a long way to CNU, but maybe that's not going to be an issue....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 08, 2011, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 07, 2011, 11:36:22 PM
It's still a long way to CNU, but maybe that's not going to be an issue....
if m'ville joins the usasac, i suspect that cnu to m'ville or m'ville to cnu won't be problematic...i see cnu heading to the cac
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on May 09, 2011, 08:26:07 AM
LaGrange names a coach:http://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110506lbkg9w
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 09, 2011, 01:15:59 PM
No kidding!  What a great choice for LaGrange.  Coach Haynes' work will not be wasted by Kendall Wallace!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 16, 2011, 03:46:51 PM
Coach Lambert is on a role with bigger people:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3954/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: RustCollege on May 16, 2011, 09:18:30 PM
So what will Maryville do....if maryville stay they should at Berry,centenary,and maybe even rust with the great battles rust an maryville had over the year
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 16, 2011, 11:14:47 PM
I'm for Maryville playing Rust whatever else they do.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 18, 2011, 01:10:11 PM
http://www.thedepauw.com/sports/four-schools-consider-scac-departure-in-2012-1.2225563

Four schools consider SCAC departure in 2012
By Michael Appelgate and Leslie Gaber

Published: Tuesday, May 10, 2011

Updated: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 02:05

Sewanee: The University of the South, Rhodes College, Hendrix College and Centre College all voted to leave the SCAC, effective July 1, 2012.... After 13 years, 76 Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference titles and six Presidents Trophies, DePauw will close the final chapter on its membership in the conference at the end of the school year.

While the Tigers' decision to join the North Coast Athletic Conference has been official since last June, this summer could bring even more drastic changes for the remaining members of the SCAC.

SCAC Commissioner Dwayne Hanberry confirmed via email Sunday that Sewanee: The University of the South, Rhodes College, Hendrix College and Centre College have all expressed their intent to leave the conference effective July 1, 2012. Hanberry said he does not expect a formal announcement to be made until after the conference presidents' meeting on June 7.

University presidents of each of the member institutions were informed of the four schools' considerations in an email sent last week, according to Laurie Saxton, director of media relations at Sewanee.

Should Sewanee, Rhodes, Hendrix and Centre choose to leave the SCAC, the size of the conference would be cut from 12 members down to eight with Austin College, Birmingham-Southern College, Colorado College, Millsaps College, Oglethorpe University, Southwestern University and Trinity University remaining. In September, the University of Dallas accepted an invitation to join the SCAC beginning with the 2011-12 season.

***

scottiedoug you may be getting your wish....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 18, 2011, 04:14:34 PM
Pretty interesting.  I learned today that Maryville intends to make some decision by Friday.

Nice coverage of Fisk in the PBS documentary on the Freedom Riders.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 20, 2011, 05:43:25 PM
Maryville's press release on joining the USASouth:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3964/

Not my favorite move but I an sure there is a whole lot I do not know that influenced this decision.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
and Huntingdon and Covenant (http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/maryville-joins-usa-south) are stuck in the middle of D-3 nowhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on May 21, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
and Huntingdon and Covenant (http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/maryville-joins-usa-south) are stuck in the middle of D-3 nowhere.

Ralph, does this mean that the GSAC will be disbanded after 2012?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: wilburt on May 21, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
and Huntingdon and Covenant (http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/maryville-joins-usa-south) are stuck in the middle of D-3 nowhere.

Ralph, does this mean that the GSAC will be disbanded after 2012?
At this point, they have Spelman, Agnes Scott, Wesleyan, and Huntingdon. Covenant is scheduled to become a full member in 2013-14.

I don't know if having only 4 teams maintains a conference for an interim time.

They have to get back to 7 somehow!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 23, 2011, 11:40:46 AM
Maryville's Eryk Watson signs to play professionally in Iceland:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3967/
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 23, 2011, 12:18:31 PM
Congrats to EWatt.  I don't know 2 things; what kind of importance they place on defense in Iceland and what will lie ahead for him in professional basketball.  I do know one thing; they better be ready to guard him because he has spent his whole basketball career putting up points. 
It is good to see the big three taking their talents to the usasac.  It is a move that had to be done for men's AQ's.  I hate to see anyone left out, you know I have a big heart, but it was not the responsibility of any of the defectors to bring along Covenant or Huntingdon.  I would guess that Covenant could get an invitation after they are full D3 members and if other things shake out with current usasac members.  The GSAC is done.  The only thing that could save it would be if the women's colleges decided to all take up residence there and hold on to the name.  The GSAC was formed with a less than perfect plan and it looks as if it has met its demise in a less than perfect fashion.  Definitely worthy of a "We had a good run boys."

I think during this next season we should start compiling a best of the GSAC list.  You know maybe 8 items because 10 would be too many...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on June 02, 2011, 07:19:38 PM
Jake Baldwin has got to be one of the Top 10 GSAC players of all time.....

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on June 14, 2011, 10:18:16 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on May 23, 2011, 12:18:31 PM
I think during this next season we should start compiling a best of the GSAC list.  You know maybe 8 items because 10 would be too many...

Nice sarcasm, Coach.    :o  You are picking at an old sore spot ...     :(

I will give the gsac credit for one thing.  In picking their post season honors, they worked awfully hard at appearing to be a Mickey Mouse, half-assed conference.  In that, they were consistently successful. 

I had high hopes, an optimistic outlook, after the 04-05 season ... but sadly, in many ways, a lot of potential just never came to fruition.  Oh well, just count your blessings, right?  There were plenty of those too.   8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on June 15, 2011, 10:52:47 AM
Any Scotts playing in the RTBL this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 15, 2011, 04:29:27 PM
Ben Williamson (who must be recovered again), Raul Placeres, and committed frosh-to-be Joey Bodewig.  Brent Watts is a coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on June 24, 2011, 05:14:34 PM
Old Lion, were you making a reference to the 04-05 Lions or the GSAC? The potential on that team never came to fruition either. Senior leadership during the 04-05 season was very poor.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 25, 2011, 01:16:48 PM
It appears that GSAC Killer, aka Raul Placeres, will be Maryville's assistant.  There is no afficial announcement but he has resigned at G-P High School to take the MC job, according to the Knoxville News Sentinel.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on June 28, 2011, 11:41:20 AM
That is a great hire for Maryville. Congrats to both parties involved.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 01, 2011, 02:56:20 PM
Maryville schedule is out:http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/mens-basketball/schedule/  curious as to the absence of Carson Newman.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 02, 2011, 04:53:18 PM
MC women are still playing CN.  CN men maybe not fond of the risk.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 13, 2011, 02:00:53 PM
Waiting on Piedmont schedule.All others are out and on respective sites.Quiet a bit of USAS flavor to them as one might expect.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 13, 2011, 03:25:35 PM
Maryville Daily Times reports that Alex Bowers will be Maryville College's full-time assistant men's basketball coach and Raul Placeres will be a part-time assistant, retaining his employment with the Sevier County Public Schools as a translator, not as a coach.   It is a sure bet they know what Coach Lambert wants done!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 14, 2011, 11:25:33 AM
Another former Scot , David McGreal has been named top assistant at LaGrange
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 14, 2011, 04:52:53 PM
The :aGrange-Maryville games should be fun!  Not many secrets.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 19, 2011, 11:30:27 AM
Let's look at these new coaching staffs:

2 new assistants at Maryville a very good former point guard/ successful high school coach and a Bowers?  Apparently Lambert was desperate for full time help.  Obviously the awesomeness of Randy will have to compensate for a Bowers.  The force is strong in young powers but needs polishing while Placeres is a legit Jedi.

Lagrange:  Wallace and Greal? Are you serious?  Its like Coach K and Coach Knight on the same bench or Pat Summit and Geno on the same bench or Ron Burgundy and Champ double covering a story.  These 2 will be recruiting forces around Atlanta.  Unfortunately, Bowers is simply a poor man's Dave McGreal.  Placeres has the potential to grow up and become a Wallace one day, if he continues to work hard.

You can say this, with all of these lambert proteges, none of the fruit has fallen far from the tree but some on different sides.  I cannot decide if I want to change my profile or change teams. Am I starting to feel a little panther pride?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 19, 2011, 02:32:45 PM
http://c0013864.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_72985bd

I am not sure if this link works but for Grubb's sake, I hope it does...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 19, 2011, 04:23:34 PM
that is amazingly phenomenal

the link worked
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on July 28, 2011, 11:34:11 PM
Check the USA South board, looks like it will be 11 not 10 teams in 13 or 14 without even adding someone new.

Having made the drives, it takes a bit longer to get to CNU than Shenandoah from Maryville because of the way the interstates actually run (crow flies is still somewhat bogus to me because most D3s travel by bus, which goes where the paved road leads).
Piedmont may be nestled far enough east that the 95 route will work but Ive never tried driving out of there headed east only north and south.

I like the staffing moves but I'll laugh hysterically if LC and MC are calling the same plays with the same lingo when they meet. That truly would make it a matter of execution.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 16, 2011, 11:15:43 AM
Piedmont schedule:http://www.piedmontlions.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 05, 2011, 12:16:43 AM
To get the season started right, two pieces from The Daily Times

It really is MURVUL
http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/MC-mens-hoops-get-new-inspiration-for-practice-gear-id-017325 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/MC-mens-hoops-get-new-inspiration-for-practice-gear-id-017325)


http://www.thedailytimes.com/Marcus_Fitzsimmons/story/Its-how-they-play-the-game-id-017364 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Marcus_Fitzsimmons/story/Its-how-they-play-the-game-id-017364)


From what I can tell so far, it sounds like the days of men's women's double headers in the new USASAC are over, except by accident under current proposals. Though nothing is finalized yet as ADs have another meeting this month trying to figure it all out. I know two coaches have indicated that at one point the idea of geographic division went out the window for travel partners and who played who twice versus once was more random draw. I have no idea how that translates into anything but an everyone plays tourney. But not sure its the latest and greatest idea on the table.
This sounds like a very tough process for those staying and for those going and meeting the roadblocks we kept coming up with when we've posted merger plans off and on over the years.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 22, 2011, 10:23:41 AM
Piedmont opens the season tonight against Toccoa Falls College before making the trip to North Carolina this weekend to play Methodist & Greensboro.Good Luck Lions !
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on November 23, 2011, 12:53:23 PM
Happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 27, 2011, 11:14:32 PM
Saw the Scots lose to a hot shooting Emory team.  Tough game, with good effort by both teams.  Scots playing a lot of freshmen for a lot of minutes.  Without Eryk Watson, MC seems more involved and focused on team ball.  On the other hand, there is not yet a "go to" scorer.  I think it will be a fun and interesting team and maybe a pretty good one.  Emory seems for real with their #13 national ranking...lots of offensive weapons, smart, well-coached.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 08, 2011, 09:06:54 PM
Coach Wallace is the Man

Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 03, 2012, 03:24:31 PM
Happy New Year! 
Well it is almost time for, as they say in the GSAC, to separate the men from the boys...It is time for conference games...all 8 of them! It should be like most years with Maryville still on top LaGrange/Piedmont right behind and Covenant/Huntingdon picking up a couple of home wins. I hope to see the home games in LaGrange but probably not as many as I would like. The last year of the GSAC as we know it. I hear REM playing in the background and also I still hear a bass beat from Fisk's gym...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on January 10, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
On my lunch break looking for all the informed, intelligent GSAC posters. I guess they have all jumped ship over to the USASAC board already.  I'll check back later.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 11, 2012, 11:17:24 AM
I guess we can expect LaGrange - Piedmont to go down to the buzzer.Why change now?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2012, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on January 10, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
On my lunch break looking for all the informed, intelligent GSAC posters. I guess they have all jumped ship over to the USASAC board already.  I'll check back later.
Not just yet, but getting close.

This board will be a Huntingdon Covenant board next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 13, 2012, 08:55:19 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2012, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: coachwgh on January 10, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
On my lunch break looking for all the informed, intelligent GSAC posters. I guess they have all jumped ship over to the USASAC board already.  I'll check back later.
Not just yet, but getting close.

This board will be a Huntingdon Covenant board next year!
So who wins the conference if they split head-to-head by the same margin of victory?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 13, 2012, 11:35:55 AM
I for one hope Huntington and Covenant find league homes.  It is hard to be independent and Huntington is not geographically well situated...it is a very long distance to Christopher Newport and the high tone remnants of the SCAC are unlikely to befriend the Hawks.  They have been a good D3 member for quite a while.  Covenant, on the other hand, just recently became D3, and may be sorry about it now (for reasons other than having gotten drubbed at Maryville Wednesday night.)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 14, 2012, 08:46:14 PM
Loss at Huntington by 13?  Adios Mio what is going on?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 15, 2012, 01:47:31 PM
Mr. Grubby raises an intriguing question!  It seems that the Scots always have a hard time down there....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2012, 10:23:03 PM
Is Lagrange coming to Murvul as the leader of the GSAC???  What is going on down there.  I am going to have to get Coach Wallace out Friday night and cause a scandal.  I can't have the panthers come in here and beat the scots.  Unfortunately, this is not what I want to do, but I think it is what I am going to have to do to help the scots win.  The Grubby one is a team player and I will sacrifice a wild night out for a victory.

Congrats to Coach Wallace on a hot start to the conference season.  I always knew he would bring good things to a program and it looks like things are taking off faster than expected.  He is a talented young coach.  Keep up the good work Wallace.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2012, 11:22:51 PM
Nice article about the LaGrange-Maryville game with focus on Kendall Wallace's team challenging his former boss and mentor,  Randy Lambert.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Apprentice-meets-master-Wallace-leads-Panthers-to-GSAC-battle-against-Maryville-id-019973
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 27, 2012, 11:22:11 AM
Somethin tells me Wallace is going to be on the wrong side of the cheer tomorrow

he will know both sides of it after tomorrow.

Also, Bowers and McGreal will be playing one on one at the half for added entertainment value.  Vegas has Greal as a 2 pt favorite as of 11 am today.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 28, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
Maryville hits 7 of 16 free throws in the second half and loses to LaGrange by 3, 70-67.   Good grief.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoops on January 30, 2012, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 13, 2012, 11:35:55 AM
I for one hope Huntington and Covenant find league homes.  It is hard to be independent and Huntington is not geographically well situated...it is a very long distance to Christopher Newport and the high tone remnants of the SCAC are unlikely to befriend the Hawks.  They have been a good D3 member for quite a while.  Covenant, on the other hand, just recently became D3, and may be sorry about it now (for reasons other than having gotten drubbed at Maryville Wednesday night.)

Actually Covenant is very happy to have moved out of the NAIA and into D3. Sure we have some conference issues now, but I'm confident that those will be resolved by the time we are full-time members in the 2013-14 season.

And hey, the Scots get another shot at Maryville on Wednesday night to redeem themselves. Although, it looks like we will be without one of our big men.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 30, 2012, 11:09:37 AM
And you will be hosting a team that will not be in a forgiving mood.  Although a bunch of the MC Scots are walking wounded, I bet they are at least motivated.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoops on January 30, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
I'd love to see an upset, but Covenant just can't put together a complete 40 minute game. First 7 minutes of the first meeting we were up 16-5 (or something like that) and then just went stone cold for the rest of the half and got blown out.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2012, 02:35:28 PM
I don't think Murvul is going to be too nice to Covenant.  If there is blood in the water, then they will strike.  The problem is Murvul is young so the swings are huge.  if things go good they go great but if they go south???  Typical for a young team.

Murvul will grow up and they will learn some tough lessons in a new conference next year.  I wish I could say they lacked anything other than EGO but at this point their egos can't let them fall apart. They have to get some fake or real confidence.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 30, 2012, 04:38:42 PM
The grubby one knows of which he speaks...the teams he was part of had no ego deficiency and that is one reason they won a lot of ballgames!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 30, 2012, 04:41:51 PM
Anybody know who the young man in sweats was on MC's bench Saturday?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2012, 10:37:32 AM
Jose Agosto from Gatlinburg Pittman.  He originally signed with Canisius and had an issue with his transcript.  He is now at Murvul.  The kid can flat out play the game of basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2012, 10:39:11 AM
I think he had an issue with his transcript, I dont know that was the reason but i think that was it.  Any way you slice, He is at Murvul and MC fans are ecstatic cause he can play power forward at any level and he will be wearing orange and garnet baby.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2012, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 01, 2012, 10:37:32 AM
Jose Agosto from Gatlinburg Pittman.  He originally signed with Canisius and had an issue with his transcript.  He is now at Murvul.  The kid can flat out play the game of basketball.
So, is a transcript issue at Canisius not a transcript issue at Maryville?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2012, 11:47:18 PM
Mr. Grubby, is the plan for Jose Agosto to play as a Scottie this year?  Or will it take some time to resolve "transcript issues?"  Hasanova does ask a reasonable question....

I am assuming GSAC Killer had something to do with this....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2012, 12:08:03 PM
I made an assumption that it was a transcript issue, it may have just been the weather in New England.  For some reason that I am not sure of, he is not in New England, he is in Murvul.  I would say the Killer had something to do with this as he is a very popular and talented coach.

I have no idea what the academic requirements are at MC anymore.  I know i have a degree from there with a 3.0 GPA and an MBA from the University of Tennessee.  Fortunately, I never had issues with grades or transcripts so I cannot speak intelligently on any academic requirements b/c I was always had good grades.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2012, 03:34:32 PM
So if Agosto is eligible to play this year, which is well along toward finished, does it make sense to use eligibility now?  The freshman class is pretty impressive and three more years of them is a nice idea and so is four from him.  If the Scots this year can slide into the Big Tourney in the last year of MC as a Pool B team, it would be nice to have as strong a team as possible, but if they are not going to the tourney, I think I'd like to "save" his eligibility.  Whaddyathink?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2012, 03:36:44 PM
Hey Grubby:  With this kind of sentence, how'd you get a 3.0? 

"I was always had good grades."
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
there is no spell check on here

I don't know what they will do, but I would not use any eligibility this year since it is almost over.  it literally will be done this month so why waste a year on one month, the shortest month of the year at that.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2012, 06:54:59 PM
You spelled all the words correctly....Maybe going to UT lowered your literacy skills.

I agree about the eligibility issue.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoops on February 04, 2012, 07:56:19 PM
Covenant gets an upset today and helps out Maryville in the process. Scots beat LaGrange 77-72. Almost gave the game away in the final minute, but still hung on. Great win for Covenant.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 05, 2012, 12:18:12 AM
There is a reason they play the games!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 06, 2012, 10:16:19 AM
I bet Wallace was HOTTT under the collar losing to Covenant.  That is exactly why they play the games.  These are kids and not capable of producing the consistent results of seasoned veterans.  Wallace is doing a great job at LC, but that is conference play in any conference.  His kids will learn from that game.

Murvul will be ready for an end of season push and hopefully get the grubby one another GSAC title.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 07, 2012, 12:22:03 PM
All the other potential Pool B teams in the NCAA D3 are having lousy years and some team has to represent the Bumblin' B's.  May as well be from the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2012, 10:50:42 AM
Agreed Scottie, if the scots can pull something together and win out then they would have a legit argument for that B
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 16, 2012, 01:48:32 PM
The move by CNU sets up nicely for the GSAC merger. Alleviates travel concerns for the extreme north or south. Hopefully it opens up a spot for Covenant in a couple years. I feel for the people at Huntingdon but they are still too much of a geographical outlier. Since I am now out of the loop, who is the favorite for POY in the last year of men's GSAC?

Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 16, 2012, 11:05:27 PM
Coach don't we really need 12 teams to have divisions for travel and scheduling to make sense?  And if there were divisions, could not Huntingdon be the southmost but in range of 5 others? (Covenant, LaGrange, Piedmont, Maryville,....)?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 18, 2012, 05:53:08 PM
Randy Lambert wins his 600th game as coach of the Maryville College Scots as MC beats LaGrange 63-51.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 19, 2012, 12:12:03 AM
Here's the Lambert story link

http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Mr-600---Maryville-Colleges-Lambert-hits-career-mark-with-win-at-LaGrange-id-020802 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Mr-600---Maryville-Colleges-Lambert-hits-career-mark-with-win-at-LaGrange-id-020802)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 20, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
Scottiedoug, yeah 12 would be ideal but 10 works(I'm assuming Covenant because I don't think the USA South likes Huntingdon). If you get 2 with each on your side and a single with the other side it leaves 12 nons to pick up but compared to what the gsac has been doing that is nothing. The odd number does rule out travel partner scenarios, since a single that rotates in every 2 years just isn't fair. Also the #1 concern for this league is money. It would be great to play everyone twice but that is just too much travel expense for 90% of these schools. With CNU leaving I like the make up of this league. The middle should always be very competitive. The champ will still travel every first round of the national tournament and an at large will have to be 19-3 in region or better.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on February 20, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
I went to check out Senior Day at LC on Saturday. I have been very proud of Blake Craft, the one senior this year. He has given a lot to LC and will be a quality coach one day.
It was nice seeing Lambert get #600 Saturday. I saw #400 when I was scouting, #500 was against me in the conference tournament at our place so I told him to let me know when he expects #700 so I could be there. He hasn't had a losing season in 26 years. That is amazing.
I have only seen the Panthers a couple of times this year and no one else in the conference besides Maryville. The tournament seems to be pretty open from the looks of everyone's season.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 26, 2012, 12:25:36 AM
Did not get to see the Murvul-LaGrange game since only audio was available (why?), but with all the underclassmen on both teams playing pretty well, I suspect the USASouth will get tired of the newbies next year.

It is too bad the GSAC did not work out.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2012, 11:04:32 AM
what a way for Milt and Mav to hang on through the tough times and finish as champions and MVPs.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
i'm interested to see what m'ville fans think about the potential of going 18-9 in the usasac, and having the season end instead of playing on as a pool b...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2012, 02:53:04 PM
the scots wont go 18-9 in the usa south next year.  this was a rebuilding year for the scots.  Next year they will have some battle tested sophomores with tourney experience versus times when they had 4 freshmen on the floor this year.  Obviously, losing milt, mav, and ben will hurt but they will be returning a lot.  They also have some talent on the bench that did not get a chance this year.  The cupboard is full at MC and we are ready to dominate the USA south next year.  As long as the scots have Randy Lamber, championships will come.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2012, 03:22:14 PM
Narch I suspect you are making a point...  As you know, 18-9 (or 15-7 in region) won't get the Scots into the NCAA unless they win the USASouth tournament, and the Pool B bid this year is because the other Pool B teams had worse years than Maryville did.  As The Grubby One points out, we expect next year to be different.  Y'all also better watch out for LaGrange, another well-coached "new" USASouth competitor loaded with young talent.

Any idea how the people who do this think they are going to do scheduling?  Do we need 12 teams to make this really work well?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2012, 03:33:16 PM
Pool B is what it is.  The scots don't desire to be in pool B, see their joining the USA south.  It has been good to the scots.  I know Randy will play anyone anywhere, including past games at Rust, Fisk, guilford, wittenberg, transy, etc.

I am confident the auto bid will take stress off each individual game and make the tournament crucial which they will enjoy.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2012, 09:43:21 PM
With CNU moving to the Capital, I see Murvul as the new team to beat in the USA South.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2012, 11:17:12 PM
As is often the case, Ralph is correct. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2012, 11:31:40 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 27, 2012, 03:22:14 PM
Narch I suspect you are making a point...
of course i'm making a point, although i don't think that i've disguised that point...m'ville has enjoyed an era when they could go 18-9 and dance, and that era is about to end unless win number 18 is in the usasac tournament final - the usasac is not a two-bid league and a pool c bid is a good bit tougher than pool b - m'ville fans are accustomed to watching their team dance...that could change

i'm sure that m'ville fans think they're going to be better next year...of course, i think that mu will be better than they were this year, and they were better than m'ville this year :) - but i agree that when cnu moves out m'ville will consistently be a top-of-the-conference pick in men's hoops
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2012, 10:43:32 AM
As The Grubby One said, Maryville realizes the situation and welcomes the change.  Although Maryville has not "danced" with a record as "bad" as 18-9 in Pool B, narch's basic point is valid.  Coach Lambert was able to win the ODAC back when Maryville was a member (big mistake to ever leave, in my opinion) and is not afraid of this challenge...CNU had not left when Maryville joined.  Maybe together the USASouth can hoist itself into being a two bid conference and then Methodist can dance too.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 28, 2012, 12:35:33 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 28, 2012, 10:43:32 AM
Maybe together the USASouth can hoist itself into being a two bid conference and then Methodist can dance too.
there is a short list of things i'd like more than to have the monarchs return to the dance, regardless of what other usasac teams may or may not join them :)

i think the new usasac will be fun to watch and much more competitive - i heard a stat that cnu won almost 80% of their contests vs. usasac competition across all sports last year...not sure if that stat was valid, but they certainly were the top dog for a number of reasons - while i'll miss having that success to aspire to in all sports, the new usasac should be more competitively balanced in all sports

/cue grubby with "except basketball" :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
except basketball...oops, wrong person...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 29, 2012, 12:46:33 AM
Except basketball...

Lambert has a good bball program at Murvul.  The USASC is a good all around fit for the scots.  CNU probably needed to find a better fit for they way they want to approach D3 athletics.  I look forward to the scots competing across all sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 01, 2012, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 29, 2012, 12:46:33 AM
Except basketball...

Lambert has a good bball program at Murvul.  The USASC is a good all around fit for the scots.  CNU probably needed to find a better fit for they way they want to approach D3 athletics.  I look forward to the scots competing across all sports.
Too bad CNU's not in Wisconsin.  :)  The WIAC wouldn't be more than a couple of hundred thousand frequent flyer miles for the Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2012, 10:31:32 PM
Great Season Scots!!!
Great way to end the GSAC and the careers of some good young men.  They fought hard but it is tough to win on the road in the NCAA Tourney.

Look out USASC here come the scots
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 13, 2012, 03:00:00 PM
I am sure all the players who were named to the All South Region team are fine players but I doubt they are all better than Milton Stanley from Maryville. 
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on March 17, 2012, 08:12:47 AM
You are right scottiedoug but probably only 10% of the region saw him. His numbers are not enough to support his value. You have to see guys like him to understand that he can guard/play multiple position, makes more guarded mid-range pull-ups than anyone and does several things at an above average level. Also the top level ODAC, SCAC and ASC teams have a Milt plus a guy geting 18/9/3.  Doesn't March fire you up about talking basketball....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 17, 2012, 10:16:39 AM
I had an exchange with a savvy Wooster fan about the Wooster-Maryville game and he offered that Milton was the best player on the floor that night.  Great games yesterday!  I love it when the more D3-like teams do well against the bigger and faster guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 23, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
Maryville is off to a good start with recruits for next year.  Spencer Shoffner from Oak Ridge appears to be the real deal:   

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4311/

So when do we migrate to the USA South page?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 23, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
Maryville is off to a good start with recruits for next year.  Spencer Shoffner from Oak Ridge appears to be the real deal:   

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4311/

So when do we migrate to the USA South page?
Theoretical question...

When do Maryville women leave for the USA South?

Will the GSAC women still have a conference for Huntingdon, Covenant, Agnes Scott, Wesley and Spelman?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 23, 2012, 01:27:59 PM
All Maryville teams are USASouth next year.  I do not know what happens to the remaining women's teams.  I hope the co-ed ones (Covenant and Huntingdon (or some others I do not know of) join the USASouth so it can function with two divisions.

Any imsight, Raplh?  I suspect you have preferences....
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2012, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 23, 2012, 01:27:59 PM
All Maryville teams are USASouth next year.  I do not know what happens to the remaining women's teams.  I hope the co-ed ones (Covenant and Huntingdon (or some others I do not know of) join the USASouth so it can function with two divisions.

Any imsight, Raplh?  I suspect you have preferences....
I like the idea of divisions.  With CNU leaving, it makes even more sense.  It makes the playoffs more exciting.

If Point (Atlanta Christian College) or Faulkner want to move to the NCAA it would add even more balance.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 02, 2012, 12:08:58 PM
Latest Update on Fisk's Chris Adams

http://www.majorprepsports.com/2012/02/09/chris-adams/

Latest on new Fisk basketball signee

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sports/fisk-s-85-year-old-program-adds-more-history-lineup-its-first-white-player

May the GSAC rest in peace!  It was a decent run while it lasted, but it was doomed almost from the start.
Good Luck to everyone in the new conference! Bye, bye!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 03, 2012, 04:35:52 PM
Nice to hear from you, Wilburt, and thanks for the articles.

How is Fisk handling the athletic scholarship business in the NAIA?  Is it a loss or does it generate more income than it costs?
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 04, 2012, 06:39:28 AM
Don't really know the answer to that question scottiedoug.  My best guess is that it is a wash...
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 09, 2012, 09:01:01 AM
News from Demorest,GA http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2012/4/6/MBB_0406125114.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: bballlover on April 09, 2012, 09:01:01 AM
News from Demorest,GA http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2012/4/6/MBB_0406125114.aspx

That and more in the Coaching Carousel:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/coaching-carousel
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: bballlover on April 09, 2012, 09:01:01 AM
News from Demorest,GA http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2012/4/6/MBB_0406125114.aspx

That and more in the Coaching Carousel:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/coaching-carousel
i'm a bit torn to see coach glenn stepping away from coaching...on one hand, i'm sure that he is pleased to be able to spend more time with his young family - on the other hand, i was excited to know that pc and mu would be playing at mu at least once a year, rather than every other year, increasing the chance that i could hang out with him for a bit

he will do good things for pc in this position, though...he is a detail oriented person and hard worker

maybe they could let him coach one more game to get to win #100, though :)
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 12, 2012, 05:26:42 PM
Invite him to dinner, Narch!  There is probably room on the bus.
Title: Re: MBB: Great South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on May 03, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
That article on the first white guy at Fisk is incorrect. They had a white guy in '03. Logically he was supposed to be their shooter but he really wasn't very good.

Their head coach must be staying at La Quinta Inns if he can make a sales pitch for that gym...